From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 07:35:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245372D08A3 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 07:35:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s13.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s13.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04A72D0786 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 07:01:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT127-W45 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s13.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 3 May 2012 06:01:59 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [199.169.200.4] From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 09:01:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2012 13:01:59.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED1A3530:01CD292C] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Shop-talk] Air hose reel opinions X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've had enough with tripping over my air hose in my tight garage, so I'm looking into an air hose reel. Learned my lesson once by trying the Harbor Freight cheap-o model and it leaked right away, so I returned it. Craftsman has some nice looking ones in the $100-150 range and there's a sale ending in 3-days I might jump on. When I search Amazon, there is a ridiculous array of them at many price points.... I'm looking for one that can handle 50 ft. of 1/2" hose. Self-retracting is not a requirement. If they sell it with out the hose that would be great. Something that can handle typical DIY use. I know alot of people on this list use air in their shops, so I figured it's a great place to ask. Thanks _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 08:42:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464F82D0790 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 08:42:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A86B2D092A for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 07:38:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120503133902.NXRX12025.mta21.charter.net@imp11> for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 09:39:02 -0400 Received: from wt09 ([209.225.8.59]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id 5Rf21j0041GRMdM05Rf2Zr; Thu, 03 May 2012 09:39:02 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=aebvvG0qUxoA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=QSrUjgckEh3MySbaoFUA:9 a=EqM0Q2oTbyS-l_MWRZ4A:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=zdRuEmwNkDemIoCQL0WYIA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2012 09:39:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 09:39:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Message-ID: <33343a93.1348ff.13712ecdfc2.Webtop.49@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 49 X-Originating-IP: [165.189.65.23] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air hose reel opinions X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="no" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Please make sure all replies go to the list as this is info I am curious about as well. Thanks for head's up on the HorribleFreight item! tim On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 8:01 AM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > I've had enough with tripping over my air hose in my tight garage, so > I'm > looking into an air hose reel. Learned my lesson once by trying the > Harbor > Freight cheap-o model and it leaked right away, so I returned it. > Craftsman > has some nice looking ones in the $100-150 range and there's a sale > ending in > 3-days I might jump on. When I search Amazon, there is a ridiculous > array of > them at many price points.... > > I'm looking for one that can handle 50 ft. of 1/2" hose. > Self-retracting is > not a requirement. If they sell it with out the hose that would be > great. > Something that can handle typical DIY use. > > I know alot of people on this list use air in their shops, so I > figured it's a > great place to ask. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 08:47:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CAB2D093D for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 08:47:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-65-40-236-36.sta.embarqhsd.net [65.40.236.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4D72D077F for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 07:54:22 -0600 (MDT) In-Reply-To: To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.2 September 26, 2006 From: eric@megageek.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 09:49:43 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DOGBERT2/Megageek(Release 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 05/03/2012 09:50:51, Serialize complete at 05/03/2012 09:50:51 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air hose reel opinions X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Last summer I plumbed my whole shop for air. I ended up with a total mis match of air hoses and I got to learn alot about them. First, the cheap HF are not worth even trying. Many leak right out of the box. BUT, their slightly more pricey ones worked OK for me so far. High end ones are nice, but WAY pricey. What I did find was if I hit every Orange and Blue big box store (HD and Lowes) in my area (there are over 12 in a 20 mile radius), I could find ones on clearance. I picked up about 3 this way. I got GREAT deals on nice units. Right now I have about 8 air hose reels in my shop. No two are alike. I also have 2 HR cheapie on my "to be addressed later" pile not doing anything. 8>) Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson PJ McGarvey Sent by: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net 05/03/2012 09:32 To Shop Talk cc Subject [Shop-talk] Air hose reel opinions I've had enough with tripping over my air hose in my tight garage, so I'm looking into an air hose reel. Learned my lesson once by trying the Harbor Freight cheap-o model and it leaked right away, so I returned it. Craftsman has some nice looking ones in the $100-150 range and there's a sale ending in 3-days I might jump on. When I search Amazon, there is a ridiculous array of them at many price points.... I'm looking for one that can handle 50 ft. of 1/2" hose. Self-retracting is not a requirement. If they sell it with out the hose that would be great. Something that can handle typical DIY use. I know alot of people on this list use air in their shops, so I figured it's a great place to ask. Thanks _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 08:47:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD122D0952 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 08:47:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84542D0916 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 08:14:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lagz14 with SMTP id z14so1837777lag.14 for ; Thu, 03 May 2012 07:15:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=CKE2L7p6HDwfI/1gXjWw1KWz9WssASz/UPQ6L9kGCPc=; b=ml2vN42I+d7pG7uh3Xu5wKxXBh289/HW8/+tmU8HyYf+Uw9HEt1QaQVLpbCri0kIyQ /eL8zMiN7QYSXgEroxqrcX7jfG+9J3wu2x3/HG3aDDwmAlgt5Tn3fScyEU4pXqO7mUns c2G8E2TJNqBH0W5Z/tNfQfz6DCdLcxYfqkwd6j6Yq6BjV92gx28a6XdaxKbFxZjR0IME ObGC9+ToJalgUWrHyrHf2qNX4H9aKLx/9qgqI142Pe9VX3F5MqrX5b1Xnsaxg1bV9YCn KTQjcCCoMku8l08BUIT24TGbF2R6eHNGnxbZi8RsnyejjcSg0BQY1KtXdNwN0LMciECx c8fg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.145.228 with SMTP id sx4mr2175725lab.45.1336054514417; Thu, 03 May 2012 07:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.54.165 with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2012 07:15:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 10:15:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: Doug Braun To: PJ McGarvey X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnWYM6IXItqd6iqPl08AdKxzouRVauqNqEjeDF3XmEVH/ASidmTvr0X+8gg8QyJMh8MwOcM X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air hose reel opinions X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I got one of the generic Chinese retracting 50-foot ones at a swap meet several years ago, and and it has been a joy. It leaks a little bit in really cold weather, but that is not a problem in practice. I can't imagine having piles of hoses all over the place. I think I paid $65, but that was 5 years ago. I bet the Craftsman ones come from the same factory in China... As the price of raw materials climbs, the Chinese stuff had gotten more cheaply made. I bought a HF welder cart about 3 years ago, and I was happy with it. It was pretty sturdy. Then I bought a second one recently. It was the exact same design and model number, but all the sheet metal pieces were about 15% thinner, and the entire thing was about 15% lighter. It was definitely flimsier, and I was sort of bummed. Doug On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:01 AM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > I've had enough with tripping over my air hose in my tight garage, so I'm > looking into an air hose reel. Learned my lesson once by trying the Harbor > Freight cheap-o model and it leaked right away, so I returned it. > Craftsman > has some nice looking ones in the $100-150 range and there's a sale ending > in > 3-days I might jump on. When I search Amazon, there is a ridiculous array > of > them at many price points.... > > I'm looking for one that can handle 50 ft. of 1/2" hose. Self-retracting > is > not a requirement. If they sell it with out the hose that would be great. > Something that can handle typical DIY use. > > I know alot of people on this list use air in their shops, so I figured > it's a > great place to ask. > > Thanks > ____ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 09:22:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272852D08F1 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 09:22:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s42.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s42.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.61.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3D92D0917 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 08:23:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT127-W58 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s42.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 3 May 2012 07:23:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [199.169.200.4] From: PJ McGarvey CC: Shop Talk Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 10:23:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2012 14:23:45.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[590F1340:01CD2938] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air hose reel opinions X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Honestly the $40 HF one would've been fine for me except for the 90 degree brass swivel fitting leaked. probably a bad o-ring, or poor tolerances - didn't open it up to even look... There didn't appear to be *any* swivel fittings online I could find (which may be a bad sign for things to come). I can see this being a wear item on any of these reels. One leaky fitting and the whole thing is junk. Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 10:15:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air hose reel opinions From: doug@dougbraun.com To: pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com CC: shop-talk@autox.team.net I got one of the generic Chinese retracting 50-foot ones at a swap meet several years ago, and and it has been a joy. It leaks a little bit in really cold weather, but that is not a problem in practice. I can't imagine having piles of hoses all over the place. I think I paid $65, but that was 5 years ago. I bet the Craftsman ones come from the same factory in China... As the price of raw materials climbs, the Chinese stuff had gotten more cheaply made. I bought a HF welder cart about 3 years ago, and I was happy with it. It was pretty sturdy. Then I bought a second one recently. It was the exact same design and model number, but all the sheet metal pieces were about 15% thinner, and the entire thing was about 15% lighter. It was definitely flimsier, and I was sort of bummed. Doug On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:01 AM, PJ McGarvey wrote: I've had enough with tripping over my air hose in my tight garage, so I'm looking into an air hose reel. Learned my lesson once by trying the Harbor Freight cheap-o model and it leaked right away, so I returned it. Craftsman has some nice looking ones in the $100-150 range and there's a sale ending in 3-days I might jump on. When I search Amazon, there is a ridiculous array of them at many price points.... I'm looking for one that can handle 50 ft. of 1/2" hose. Self-retracting is not a requirement. If they sell it with out the hose that would be great. Something that can handle typical DIY use. I know alot of people on this list use air in their shops, so I figured it's a great place to ask. Thanks ____ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 09:58:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382352D07AF for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 09:58:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E295C2D04C2 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 09:17:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 29659 invoked by uid 3198); 3 May 2012 15:17:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 May 2012 15:17:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 11:17:36 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman X-X-Sender: hillman@itonami.pair.com To: PJ McGarvey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air hose reel opinions X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, 3 May 2012, PJ McGarvey wrote: > I've had enough with tripping over my air hose in my tight garage, so I'm > looking into an air hose reel. In my opinion, a reel doesn't fix the right problem here. I was in your boat for years, until I finally put a loop of copper lines in my 2.5 car garage last year. I could kill myself for not doing it years ago. Now, I never even deal with more than a few feet of air hose. I still have a 75 foot hose, but it sits coiled on a hook and rarely moves. Once in a blue moon, I take half of it out to the driveway, and then back. Other than that, hose never touches ground. I have a dedicated drop for my plasma cutter, a 5-way manifold over my fab table, and a couple more wall/ceiling drops for general use. It cost a few hundred dollars, was done in a weekend and paid for itself in increased productivity/enjoyment within a month. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 11:13:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475A12D071C for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 11:13:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from thunder.banklogic.net (thunder.banklogic.net [72.22.18.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE8182D0633 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 10:33:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thunder.banklogic.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by thunder.banklogic.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q43GXWiO010701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 12:33:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by thunder.banklogic.net (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id q43GXWUc010698 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 12:33:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: thunder.banklogic.net: mark owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:33:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Andy X-X-Sender: mark@thunder.banklogic.net To: shop-talk@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <33343a93.1348ff.13712ecdfc2.Webtop.49@charter.net> Message-ID: References: <33343a93.1348ff.13712ecdfc2.Webtop.49@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-yoursite-MailScanner-ID: q43GXWiO010701 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.983, required 3, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_20 -0.00, RP_8BIT 1.98) X-MailScanner-From: marka@maracing.com Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air hose reel opinions X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Howdy, On Thu, 3 May 2012, Tim wrote: > Please make sure all replies go to the list as this is info I am curious > about as well. > > Thanks for head's up on the HorribleFreight item! I wasn't going to suggest it since the OP had a bad experience, but I have this reel: http://www.harborfreight.com/100-ft-steel-air-hose-reel-46342.html And I like it a lot. No leaks, cheap as heck, does everything I want. I also have this one in the trailer: http://www.harborfreight.com/50-ft-retractable-air-water-hose-reel-with-3-8-eighth-inch-hose-93897.html Its fine. In use I think I like the manual one better, but that's not the fault of the hose reel. YMMV, particularly with Harbor Freight! :-) Mark _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 12:34:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78A12D0886 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 12:34:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s18.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s18.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6162D070F for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 11:21:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT127-W33 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s18.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 3 May 2012 10:22:21 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [173.49.22.111] From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 13:22:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <33343a93.1348ff.13712ecdfc2.Webtop.49@charter.net>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2012 17:22:21.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CAEB420:01CD2951] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air hose reel opinions X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That first one is the one I bought. With my luck, if I went back I'd probably grab the same one I returned a few weeks ago, just in a new box LOL. As far as plumbing the "shop" for air, I think I'll save that job for the next shop I have, the one with 4 bays, a lift, proper heat/AC and a floor that's flat and in one piece ;-) -PJ > Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:33:32 -0400 > From: marka@maracing.com > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air hose reel opinions > > Howdy, > > On Thu, 3 May 2012, Tim wrote: > > Please make sure all replies go to the list as this is info I am curious > > about as well. > > > > Thanks for head's up on the HorribleFreight item! > > I wasn't going to suggest it since the OP had a bad experience, but I have > this reel: > > http://www.harborfreight.com/100-ft-steel-air-hose-reel-46342.html > > And I like it a lot. No leaks, cheap as heck, does everything I want. > > I also have this one in the trailer: > > http://www.harborfreight.com/50-ft-retractable-air-water-hose-reel-with-3-8-e ighth-inch-hose-93897.html > > Its fine. In use I think I like the manual one better, but that's not the > fault of the hose reel. > > YMMV, particularly with Harbor Freight! :-) > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 12:37:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087FF2D0934 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 12:37:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 900362D07C0 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 11:37:40 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1336066686; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=ZPMGLeienbZ8JOngierMBOMXSPYjCfcuATqbr05iGZnpnvdlAgdlaEunxqrUBxtIg VLltjtGahmnQTnDw9PO1+jK4oCqYRwmSrCvJhpoGKH6DcxrA92CRBQxvixZAbVzqFq n+9I+dFsUZCnGii9KaYNwrqSjpOuQZSpjdcHkUQY= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail08.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.148]) by smtpout05.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABH4FSVQA3ZU3SS for (sender ); Thu, 3 May 2012 10:37:50 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: l0tzfbVg/zoqPq90CBJNEgt1wQipvfdAwYV5vJKiX07gBYIQZN0W7A== Received: (from mbarre@juno.com) by webmail08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id R7UKJAFK; Thu, 03 May 2012 10:37:47 PDT Received: from [24.214.163.54] by webmail08.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 3 May 2012 17:37:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.214.163.54] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Matt" Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 17:37:14 GMT Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20120503.133714.19106.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> To: Undisclosed-recipients:; X-UNTD-BodySize: 2317 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:962362955 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.181.12.148|webmail08.vgs.untd.com|outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com|mbarre@juno.com X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air hose reel opinions X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have the same manual one as Mark and it works fine.If not the same as the retractable it is a clone - may have come from Homier vice HF but it is cheap chinese.They both work fine for what I need. My only concession is I have a few ball valves in the shop that allow me to control/isolate legs. I generally turn the compressor and main ball valve offtill I need to do work because there are small leaks and I don't want the compressor to cycle several times a day forever. MB ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Mark Andy I wasn't going to suggest it since the OP had a bad experience, but I have this reel: http://www.harborfreight.com/100-ft-steel-air-hose-reel-46342.html I also have this one in the trailer: http://www.harborfreight.com/50-ft-retractable-air-water-hose-reel-with-3-8-e ighth-inch-hose-93897.html Its fine. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 14:20:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC492D096B for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 14:20:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vx0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736652D0668 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 12:59:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vcbfy7 with SMTP id fy7so2114329vcb.14 for ; Thu, 03 May 2012 12:00:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Il0gwiENPMcuwadkRPJy1HtfTBlh3TI7z3w9xofKwog=; b=hsxDTfsp5qp4keXg4Qfi55G+x5R+1Pj0jEgRbfv2DBeIPWkeooCZ5602feOjl2Rq1F fdhwvp9PY+/hy9txDR6+kY5nTzj6acygYKw0EXoe2RoqPAbSiePYjvz70NX4VfrTqrzM xS3H6tSzt9AkOEipGTDhssNlCh8buWy0lflVFJ6SysATTcZJQovydXCPxszXIDEAiXru eV7c7lZ3bptCqgL0kpz/cYgxTTQfqE2+/5znJ8UXh5n9G/D+sJwEpx27R4Swo0OG9Sk4 eyMB8N4NSGnhf8MybxY/4tuOs2nwC/iqfxmk+aNsImS15cT/WdghV5ao1C0TAzMnhsgG liQw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.40.148 with SMTP id k20mr635546vce.17.1336071617109; Thu, 03 May 2012 12:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.186.194 with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2012 12:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:00:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] Follow-up on recent topics X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all, A couple of things regarding recent topics... First, sandblast cabinets and compressors - a data point. I have this cabinet http://www.harborfreight.com/abrasive-blast-cabinet-42202.html and this compressor http://www.lowes.com/pd_54284-1126-VT6362_4294795218__?productId=3370356 . Using them together for the first time the other day, the compressor had no problem keeping up with the cabinet. Second, on the subject of shop air plumbing. Before joining this list, I used the nylon tubing kit from HF, but I put it low on the wall, and my "drops" are risers. When I was sandblasting the other day, it was pretty humid. Sure enough, I started getting water along with the air and sand. I drained some from the regulator, and a lot from the tank. Of course, there must be gallons of it in the pipe, since I installed it with no way to drain it. So, for those of you who are waiting until you build you dream shop to do a proper air line installation, consider that there are substantial downsides to doing it the easy way. My next garage project is to install proper piping... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 14:28:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C532D0A85 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 14:28:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6782D093B for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 13:23:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so3833152obb.14 for ; Thu, 03 May 2012 12:24:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mcfetridge.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=E3A1zsS9iw4AYoCQ/2WcB5rBqO2GLzdYv7Ql2qhMuvQ=; b=V5MIR9NiXIUkuY4MPP0/GbpLbbhAmEVu5k5gkyVvJS/6UAgmZfjD/rFwexjc7I4cWq G2fgv+DNz02J/+HALByU3LSIfcLZx5URNg0uBChtt53KpMWBRSicUGBKeEraU8KMh1S2 +IEhswLZ/xe76wx4mkauqQ5MvmbSJOj97eVH8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=E3A1zsS9iw4AYoCQ/2WcB5rBqO2GLzdYv7Ql2qhMuvQ=; b=eghHBuc3dyC1hKhY53H8NCMAkowuzDpuIiNiZAZB5uiW4lMmVem54B5sSYWUzQrm5I KBm7xDPglQz739eo5LJ/hJrqzdcaqPmuql2bNWNJtZK5D9qYIVN1EkupK6O8lBkwXC/j F6mjxEdzQ3WBqf6nDHGp/O7lhphml4iwIFcbg+UcGnEaU6v8Eh375ylK0KpNtdlUudFx Qc8ycX8qvosicCIrF2nQGJ/DfJQHGMYs1JfJvvT8ye4LXuV0qKLpW+to0LVA8P1qbIio 4qpM611zrrFMQI402yvWBJlM2SMpFk57JoV0j4Ww8mxRebNz6sMMs4d0RnXuKaV4ftif Q/1A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.222.2 with SMTP id qi2mr4711562obc.27.1336073044856; Thu, 03 May 2012 12:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.64.138 with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2012 12:24:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:24:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: Ian McFetridge To: PJ McGarvey X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkb5pK1cGIko0yeR8KKbc5MKzUlvNlJ0vcSO/ge8hUYXMAAojJKDaNY+mHsm+pzmXakODVe X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air hose reel opinions X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've gotten good service out of a rotating, retracting, 50 feet reel from McMaster-Carr: about 8 years of hobby shop use. Sorry I can't recall the model or cost. - Ian On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:01 AM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > I've had enough with tripping over my air hose in my tight garage, so I'm > looking into an air hose reel. Learned my lesson once by trying the Harbor > Freight cheap-o model and it leaked right away, so I returned it. > Craftsman > has some nice looking ones in the $100-150 range and there's a sale ending > in > 3-days I might jump on. When I search Amazon, there is a ridiculous array > of > them at many price points.... > > I'm looking for one that can handle 50 ft. of 1/2" hose. Self-retracting > is > not a requirement. If they sell it with out the hose that would be great. > Something that can handle typical DIY use. > > I know alot of people on this list use air in their shops, so I figured > it's a > great place to ask. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 16:43:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EFD2D08D9 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 16:43:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAB82D02F1 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 15:30:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so3194165yhr.14 for ; Thu, 03 May 2012 14:31:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3Kabp0abpp1okPZ4VUu5ueOQoKO/ortws0T59CiUPbw=; b=zHix48+x692zNPOAQ5XPAdCQaV+enalJ5VdIhjhQlYMiiKGZwTAthFMHOgvHaOH60m vvFn1B4APt1RWddcyBC4IEh4+KFanfbTYI9JiyucYYhjp9dRX1ve+h6LoIV6/vXAdrJH u9lydhMRKsaKRYGrmoJ6NiK9bAa85gwP9qWok4hmQfoD9XiBY3v8MOCHpJ6ySt/7mBD2 F6hBhXZT9mbsLP+fURLaVkVtrG4M8/gPaQkhMfn2sp2D0pym334lj8C/YScdCG/OXu3k /ngvCa8FUKkFIkOFkx0IGplrODu2RkPgo//Ed9JlNUDV9ubN6WoIMfmJPNffoGzaCcQD VKTA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.178.8 with SMTP id cu8mr1563627igc.62.1336080680347; Thu, 03 May 2012 14:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.63.85 with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2012 14:31:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:31:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: David Scheidt To: PJ McGarvey Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air hose reel opinions X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:23 AM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > Honestly the $40 HF one would've been fine for me except for the 90 degree > brass swivel fitting leaked. B probably a bad o-ring, or poor tolerances - > didn't open it up to even look... B There didn't appear to be *any* swivel > fittings online I could find (which may be a bad sign for things to come). B I > can see this being a wear item on any of these reels. B One leaky fitting and > the whole thing is junk. > Milton still sell them. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 16:49:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D682D0624 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 16:49:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ABD3E2D084D for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 16:04:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25982 invoked from network); 3 May 2012 22:04:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (24.113.13.208) by p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.193.110) with ESMTP; 03 May 2012 22:04:33 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:04:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Shop-talk] buffing wheels X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Recently purchased a used Baldor 333B 3/4hp dual buffing machine. Fitted with 3/4" dia shafts, takes 8" dia wheels at 3600RPM and it runs great. Found it on Craigslist for $50 in California. Kept it at a friend's house for 6 months until I could go down last month and pick it up as I was passing through. Anyway, the old buffing/polishing wheels were toast. Just cleaned up the shafts and am getting ready to go spend $ on wheels. I'll be using it on misc. restoration and small fabrication for parts on 100 year old cars. Probably steel, brass and aluminum. I understand that I'll need multiple wheels. Would somebody with polishing experience care to offer suggestions as to supplier and types of wheels that I should be considering? BTW, an old customer was going to throw out an old chunk of iron, but asked me if I'd like it instead. After sandblasting, replacing a few fasteners and a paint job, the old-style buffer/grinder stand with cast iron table and cast iron water container for quenching is now mated with the Baldor buffer. The base alone must weigh just short of 100 lbs.! Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 18:37:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CF62D078F for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 18:37:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pz0-f47.google.com (mail-pz0-f47.google.com [209.85.210.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC09E2D03D8 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 17:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by dalh21 with SMTP id h21so2037883dal.6 for ; Thu, 03 May 2012 16:47:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=XWxAN8WE9IOzaetlw1eg6ypDoC5Qz8AEOA/GWMkDNj4=; b=wou6rit7XRSm4YFlXxp7ZwkA2YinZ/s1aT1QboQ138quAtjxMQDebNs1JhR7E0PHbf 64Q1gR4rlYxHgv3E7Idl5goEpnZUninH5TVd+kO0FDpG1yRy5gP2qPhv7uthIbF8NgsB 6U2IvB38mQkPXkHIHab0QhXE9lCxt9Y0ZQySe3RpIxQi+eC758Pd3umDMLIcV8nfkeN/ EmaHpR6YpVIF/B3VtQEbwnvvxVHYhXauydROfHsrfFZVwoeJseG46DiW76LjRPT2euQo irtvjSiqy4AXm/Cai9E4vcJd/BIlCp56btx0WXaqAjRbEXiJcFqmmbbiueXGf7ZJGlmp 6ilw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.227.6 with SMTP id rw6mr12436219pbc.28.1336088869397; Thu, 03 May 2012 16:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.220.41 with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2012 16:47:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 18:47:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] buffing wheels X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net *Here's my favorite supplier:* *http://www.caswellplating.com/buffs/index.html* *They have a good section on selecting both wheels and compounds and they have everything. I bought a whole stack of 18"* *buffer wheels from a surplus store at $1.00* *each! I had to build a buffer with a 1 horsepower* *motor and some belt drive speed adjustment* *to achieve the "rim speed" of a Baldor 3400 rpm* *but it is an amazing tool. I ended up with 6 wheels for different compounds; the most aggressive will throw a shower of sparks from ferous metal! the finest can even be used to polish precious metal. . .a good tool.* * * On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA < gsteve@hammatt.com> wrote: > Recently purchased a used Baldor 333B 3/4hp dual buffing machine. > Fitted with 3/4" dia shafts, takes 8" dia wheels at 3600RPM and it > runs great. Found it on Craigslist for $50 in California. Kept it at > a friend's house for 6 months until I could go down last month and > pick it up as I was passing through. > > Anyway, the old buffing/polishing wheels were toast. Just cleaned up > the shafts and am getting ready to go spend $ on wheels. I'll be > using it on misc. restoration and small fabrication for parts on 100 year > old cars. Probably steel, brass and aluminum. I understand that I'll > need multiple wheels. Would somebody with polishing experience care to > offer suggestions as to supplier and types of wheels that I should be > considering? > > BTW, an old customer was going to throw out an old chunk of iron, > but asked me if I'd like it instead. After sandblasting, replacing a > few fasteners and a paint job, the old-style buffer/grinder stand with > cast iron table and cast iron water container for quenching is now > mated with the Baldor buffer. The base alone must weigh just short > of 100 lbs.! > > Steve Hammatt > Mount Vernon WA USA > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 21:14:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473802D078B for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 21:14:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3992D067F for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 20:42:53 -0600 (MDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EALNBo08yL5jd/2dsb2JhbABFsn2DEAEBAQQ4PAQBEAsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRQYOiBK6VZEIBIhkkxCNVA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,528,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="253672820" X-Originating-IP: [50.47.152.221] Received: from relay05.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.168]) by out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 04 May 2012 02:43:23 +0000 X-Previous-IP: 50.47.152.221 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-152-221.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.152.221]) by relay05.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5152B2F90D; Fri, 4 May 2012 02:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4FA34247.2060006@frontier.com> Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 19:43:19 -0700 From: "David C." User-Agent: Spicebird/0.7 (Windows; 2008112221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt References: <20120503.133714.19106.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20120503.133714.19106.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120503-1, 05/03/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: , shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air hose reel opinions X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have 3 of the generic HF retractable reels in my shop. They've been there for several years with no problems other than one of them springing a leak on the hose that connects the reel to the main air line. Mine don't get daily use, but they seem to be holding up fine for weekend and summer use. Like Matt, I normally keep the ball valve on the tank discharge closed unless I'm actually using the air for something, as there are enough tiny leaks in various QD and other fittings that the compressor would cycle about once an hour otherwise. (For the record, I have a 60 gallon two cylinder (NOT two stage) 5 HP vertical model from Home Depot and it has worked great for five or six years, even with my HF blast cabinet.) Matt wrote: > I have the same manual one as Mark and it works fine.If not the same as the > retractable it is a clone - may have come from Homier vice HF but it is cheap > chinese.They both work fine for what I need. My only concession is I have a > few ball valves in the shop that allow me to control/isolate legs. I > generally turn the compressor and main ball valve offtill I need to do work > because there are small leaks and I don't want the compressor to cycle several > times a day forever. MB _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 23:03:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B84F2D078B for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 23:03:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BAAD2D07CD for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 22:15:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lbjn8 with SMTP id n8so2506833lbj.14 for ; Thu, 03 May 2012 21:15:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=FygFLD7/o6I6gVn2DBdk8QrmoogT+xzrq02GTTc1XnY=; b=MhLJmF970Q6j3MDjJVtfWwrZ0gqpAb6JGSr8iAwqRIR8Pn0iuufmnVtGu2YCCWmZ1D HI3JPN36xkGhsQcx25fxPtQag1l8SWKXK9RB9fj53vZU9NA1NfiTN/Ag+QdUuuXKHAFu gjsr5E1lE9gYVE16XksIZQ09vhsybzOJGZ/Ry3aJJfU0lLFvSQURReMdAT4dqg6d/u1K nbUXTbpLswcfwZ6Pic6ocr+5mWf3RljC0zKetSe6V5pGsboQT/E+qtIiVuWBjjVjYPEs VVh9GGdlbHJ8XTbEaSUatqBiObRkjFjctr/izfh4B1Ft3aB0UcKqJO6km/9FnOvnWBgr E5Ew== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.8.70 with SMTP id p6mr2199741lba.35.1336104943701; Thu, 03 May 2012 21:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.54.165 with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2012 21:15:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FA34247.2060006@frontier.com> References: <20120503.133714.19106.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> <4FA34247.2060006@frontier.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 00:15:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk2SSjOIyPTN1an83TiPZ88uSjHMytDP7ERZRyGPil8JQ0r36smLDeZhC4NXt5FCxywwi3n X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air hose reel opinions X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Here's a tip: After a few years, the last few feet of my reel's air hose stared getting beat up. So I swapped the hose end-for-end on the reel. The beat-up end moved to the inside of the reel, where nothing ever happens to it, and the end that gets handled became fresh. You have to do this carefully, to avoid losing the correct spring tension when the hose is off the reel. Doug On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:43 PM, David C. wrote: > I have 3 of the generic HF retractable reels in my shop. They've been > there for several years with no problems other than one of them springing a > leak on the hose that connects the reel to the main air line. Mine don't > get daily use, but they seem to be holding up fine for weekend and summer > use. > > Like Matt, I normally keep the ball valve on the tank discharge closed > unless I'm actually using the air for something, as there are enough tiny > leaks in various QD and other fittings that the compressor would cycle > about once an hour otherwise. (For the record, I have a 60 gallon two > cylinder (NOT two stage) 5 HP vertical model from Home Depot and it has > worked great for five or six years, even with my HF blast cabinet.) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 15:46:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C220F2D0DBC for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 15:46:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from webmail.cci-ir.com (unknown [173.164.21.57]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019932D0D32 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 14:05:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BNAVEX01.cci-ir.com ([fe80::f8a9:b204:900b:3bad]) by BNAVEX01.cci-ir.com ([fe80::f8a9:b204:900b:3bad%14]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 4 May 2012 15:05:47 -0500 From: Gil Fuqua To: Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA , Shop Talk Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] buffing wheels Thread-Index: AQHNKX8GVD9r0sG/YE6ujc+nwcBjI5a6DI0A Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:05:47 +0000 Message-ID: <7F60FBB4505509419A67E9116F2BBFFE03160855@BNAVEX01.cci-ir.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [192.168.100.222] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.1.0.1137-6.800.1017-18884.006 x-tm-as-result: No--30.590300-5.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] buffing wheels X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have owned the same buffer for years and have polished a lot of brass and copper on old cars. Buffing wheels come in a lot of variations but would suggest you consider the wide ones (over 1" thick). They are harder to find but have more buffing area and last longer. Take a look at : http://jestcoproducts.com/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=5 I have been very pleased with the 120 ply hard sewn buff (1.5" thick) and the 2" thick loose buff they sell. Jestco also sells buffing compounds in 3 pound bars. You will need various grits of buffing compound (suggest red for hard sewn wheel and green or white for loose buff) and a rake to keep the buffing wheels clean. You periodically take the rake across the surface of the buff to break up the glaze on the surface of the buff. Note that buffing is really dirty work. I have a separate room with ventilation to keep the small particulate junk off everything in the shop that is cast into the air when buffing. Be sure and wear a mask to keep it out of your lungs. Hold on to parts tightly when buffing and don't let the spinning wheel catch the upper edge of a part. These buffers have tremendous power and can throw a hard metal part flying across the room. This is not the ideal way to treat delicate parts. Finally, buffing generates a lot of heat so be careful you don't burn yourself or melt solder in a part being buffed (don't ask how I know about the later). Gil Nashville -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 5:05 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] buffing wheels Recently purchased a used Baldor 333B 3/4hp dual buffing machine. Fitted with 3/4" dia shafts, takes 8" dia wheels at 3600RPM and it runs great. Found it on Craigslist for $50 in California. Kept it at a friend's house for 6 months until I could go down last month and pick it up as I was passing through. Anyway, the old buffing/polishing wheels were toast. Just cleaned up the shafts and am getting ready to go spend $ on wheels. I'll be using it on misc. restoration and small fabrication for parts on 100 year old cars. Probably steel, brass and aluminum. I understand that I'll need multiple wheels. Would somebody with polishing experience care to offer suggestions as to supplier and types of wheels that I should be considering? BTW, an old customer was going to throw out an old chunk of iron, but asked me if I'd like it instead. After sandblasting, replacing a few fasteners and a paint job, the old-style buffer/grinder stand with cast iron table and cast iron water container for quenching is now mated with the Baldor buffer. The base alone must weigh just short of 100 lbs.! Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gil.fuqua@cci-ir.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 16:32:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4B72D0C3E for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 16:32:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 49DFB2D0B4D for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 15:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.107] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 21:40:37 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.64] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 21:40:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 21:40:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 944764.17885.bm@omp1001.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 15512 invoked from network); 6 May 2012 21:40:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336340437; bh=fYA2kIe7e4uXRZSHf+9hhPGqY4d+8lft46Qh+glAAfM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=hrVou10WWwxCDWAZzJvbJEAppirbAmQ6hBtviAf5U9OPi/JUHRFb4TnSSWwAVPkjXpXCMp5iUn+De7hEv8HyNGDohEegikq4dnLSKSD1d4Gt5Wvfn7Bxkti34Q4N/6vK/xSqYUrnLribXxgARLWb+Qu7ZxBnnvq/QXhB3oIMkEE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: jb4x6KcVM1nyvlfoReZZHDbYr68E_dQx_TazcCNW0GfItor G_7J2_W9AM0UZ0Rg4DUeZ8DaNY1ZEpvnXBD9TJDlFUW_.Yny.kgOJ8JZAxpK 7Gw5JD5o5Htkbc2UQK1up4mvuOb3wBU4nMXsLWmVdGBp9s_SyPVRJ.OYxWM4 EIVECq0ewFEQo69Bcz1sVTY21vtWNAifvWVVU850nne7fTyFUjR8l62XGoF4 00m1Sb_BMigezYa.r90EunewJb.gh6xB9IOTz3CBVwF9AAFnu1XCFlIZaY9X QcQ5_WVmbfyP38pEdcLuWONMTOptHVuKy._rXhi2pBJFf7ci9JUCnHHJOcQP UEnsoIxg1kXe_CtG99LjTlj._SmQTEcJ5UyhQ4hH3ddazevhI6GtL5gjA8yY - X-Yahoo-SMTP: N1vUKuCswBBFA6w98oBmnWwA.ZnMue1mJ2F6zw-- Received: from john5043a2d406 (jniolon@108.227.226.77 with login) by smtp115.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 May 2012 14:40:37 -0700 PDT Message-ID: From: "John Niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 16:41:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Shop-talk] keyboard help X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net my work involves a lot of excel work and similar data being copy and pasted from one sheet to another... my old keyboard had programmable keys and I use a left handed mouse. I programmed two unused keys on the right side with c and v. I'd highlight the date with the mouse in my left hand... hit the reprogrammed copy key...switch sheets and hit the paste key... slick, fast and easy.. new keyboard is a microsoft wireless and while it does have a 'program' function..., it will only move keys around and not let you actually input keys to program to that key. None of the programs I've found on line allow the user to type in control functions and map it to a key... anyone have any suggestions ??? years ago I had a Gateway computer with a keyboard utility that actually recorded keystrokes to a key similar to a macro I guess... I'm not a macro writer and don't want to be... I just want to put c and v on some keys and get on with my life... it's cumbersome for a left handed person to enter those combos with their right hand... help ??? tia john I'm sarcastic... what's your superpower ? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 18:02:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9137F2D0872 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:02:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm19.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm19.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BB6BE2D09EA for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 16:49:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.97] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 22:50:10 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.71] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 22:50:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 22:50:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 806172.90818.bm@omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 9714 invoked from network); 6 May 2012 22:50:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336344610; bh=8zzXozKiY3tOQoK56VUxq4cZzeJVHRoET75/xCyWJAw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=0f6E9KZhYoMlM2yahYG/PGPSEt28KR2PELcucvn2jI4pM3n+91dLmtn/RP8TFTVs9zEdhs6BxZgB/e6eR/MjkhN8hz6SqJZGeNvimTnKo++PYjs1J4I3feAmS/alDTyy1qvqoG8oCpuIyMORVxVn2lMdHkinv0rDKQ0H9ochQdE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: bX3A7uIVM1lh.ly4RgNyvbsO2ZjKA9wZxQUXeX9qcWU9llz LVRnuAOOkiThva8H_pPKoE4mO8hitnEQBsk982jMOpGKXv.yJJTuG2lEwJ10 6YQ2laNYmzx_jI54oZdETtXcp80OCgo1yFcuPnXwCu8KI8woL51EIXLxo1Sa EZvVZqAaqaVbm1C1J.HkG..A6_Hh1Oa7mArq22A1LGFukAwTE0eNmYTSuD5v UrOiaCnJ2tJCiPhAK.0PH5pLXTZV8tmM.TelhDEStVol7EVRA.xdw6_EFkXf WoXTN_YIA7TfzR2uD0fLVav6zGvknbNxFJSI38hiQ.mlcnwo3umEaO_6tTRL CWWqoBKLLAcFIrSi4yO0_tcv0KkDmWaqMOJQ1pImZSF7D9caXv3zYSPuGAIA tTfkYxwB8SaD747uQtkZ04RKPFnAf5Tu99QQAz1uXUEkQYjoUU1pVphOTYMD 27qE.pQTgaAMDnm4qNn1hqF19yLqrxF3BZ6I7NhsWT7oc_ihmMpTF6M8D3a0 EQw6KOCtIoYM- X-Yahoo-SMTP: N1vUKuCswBBFA6w98oBmnWwA.ZnMue1mJ2F6zw-- Received: from john5043a2d406 (jniolon@108.227.226.77 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 May 2012 15:50:10 -0700 PDT Message-ID: From: "John Niolon" To: "Shannah Miller" , "shop-talk" References: Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 17:51:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] keyboard help X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net thanks Shannah,,, strangest thing... I played with the Microsoft keyboard mapper under control panel for over an hour this a.m. and couldn't make the changes stick... it would show as reprogrammed, but when I went to excel... no new reprogramming.... this time it worked, must be the super moon. so now the "lower volume" key is c and 'raise volume' is v so now the "lower volume" key is c and 'raise volume' is v so now the "lower volume" key is c and 'raise volume' is v so now the "lower volume" key is c and 'raise volume' is v see ??? thanks for your magical control of my keyboard... it's gonna make my life ssooo much easier now john ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannah Miller" To: "John Niolon" Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] keyboard help A keyboard with a Synaptics touchpad in it will allow you to use programmable touch zones for that sort of thing. Alternately, this article from Microsoft support seems to apply: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/237179 although I wouldn't be surprised if this only works with Microsoft branded keyboards. Shannah On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:41 PM, John Niolon wrote: > my work involves a lot of excel work and similar data being copy and > pasted > from one sheet to another... my old keyboard had programmable keys and I > use > a left handed mouse. I programmed two unused keys on the right side with > c and v. I'd highlight the date with the mouse in my left > hand... hit the reprogrammed copy key...switch sheets and hit the paste > key... > slick, fast and easy.. > > new keyboard is a microsoft wireless and while it does have a 'program' > function..., it will only move keys around and not let you actually input > keys > to program to that key. None of the programs I've found on line allow the > user to type in control functions and map it to a key... > > anyone have any suggestions ??? years ago I had a Gateway computer with a > keyboard utility that actually recorded keystrokes to a key similar to a > macro > I guess... > > I'm not a macro writer and don't want to be... I just want to put c > and > v on some keys and get on with my life... it's cumbersome for a > left > handed person to enter those combos with their right hand... > > help ??? > > tia > john > > > > > > I'm sarcastic... what's your superpower ? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shannahquilts@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 18:03:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CBF92D0758 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:03:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824D42D0A73 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 17:00:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.pops.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A91E276E62 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 16:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amdquadcore.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF953276E58 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 16:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20120506154500.00bce858@mail.avvanta.com> X-Sender: racertod@mail.avvanta.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 16:01:04 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BlargAV-Status: No viruses detected, BlargAV v1.1 on localhost.pops.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] keyboard help X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I use a Gateway AnyKey keyboard. It has the macro feature built-in to the keyboard. The macro feature allows you to program any key with any combination of characters you wish. It uses the PS2 interface plug, not USB. It has worked on every computer I've built and OS's up to WinXP. I love it so much I've kept it since it came on a Gateway computer I bought back in '91 or so. I also like it because it has a pretty good feel to the keys. Many new el-cheapo keyboards have crappy feel and are difficult to type on. If you want a beautiful keyboard for typing, an IBM Model M has the best key feel of any keyboard ever made. Anykey keyboards were manufactured by MaxiSwitch for Gateway. My part number is 2189014. Google keywords: AnyKey, Maxiswitch or Gateway 2189014, there are some out there for sale. As a warning, there are similar looking Gateway keyboards, the distinguishing feature of an AnyKey keyboard is a row of 4 keys in the upper right labeled Program Macro, Suspend Macro, Repeat Rate and Remap. Here is one on eBay: Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 275,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 340,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 18:03:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA602D0C77 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:03:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4186D2D0C16 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 17:12:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lbjn8 with SMTP id n8so4421960lbj.14 for ; Sun, 06 May 2012 16:13:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=7KZCSN82CcfIueb0ie3epR6kDX4/xFlaXe9Us91wSag=; b=OrJsJRyodH5UGSweF/zhUwnK75kT0kI5UCMfBRZpOyaKegIviZFZHV5WWiHyqLLWr1 v9da0VwjRjJSGnYTH5TdJm0+YPaJqmRQx1Baoxo7TZFAoNmVuGYMuh8pXay+BgKXgPdR J0R7KHIfUks7yx7Zk7VceyBRg5fggtfxQ72vQnQd0weBQAdxSytEjhMRtLep2i67bUfc A4ugsZquCyxPxTU/vLdvqMc6EQKjGHANQXwfK2+OJmEvWXrgfCPQse2I356sYd81jiMc m3DRPNQnubCGAEwleRUbLC5CAQuR1SA/RL7OOcDXEIDaBOMZjfnv65a2j1wtrYjTCopy Ndyw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.145.228 with SMTP id sx4mr12357963lab.45.1336345994561; Sun, 06 May 2012 16:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.54.165 with HTTP; Sun, 6 May 2012 16:13:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:13:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: Doug Braun To: John Niolon X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlSSrWMcz0WkuxDt3o0zEuWh2scsV9rKo58AlWF6iuDyn1LMVv6rpSVK8fpLaBKGh9VtpWI X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] keyboard help X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You can add registry entries to remap any key to a different keycode. I have added one to my PC to disable the caps lock key, which I hit accidentally far more often than deliberately. Hopefully there is some simple app that will accomplish that more easily than researching the correct keywords and codes you need to do it manually. In any case, you certainly don't need a special keyboard. Doug On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 5:41 PM, John Niolon wrote: > my work involves a lot of excel work and similar data being copy and pasted > from one sheet to another... my old keyboard had programmable keys and I > use > a left handed mouse. I programmed two unused keys on the right side with > c and v. I'd highlight the date with the mouse in my left > hand... hit the reprogrammed copy key...switch sheets and hit the paste > key... > slick, fast and easy.. > > new keyboard is a microsoft wireless and while it does have a 'program' > function..., it will only move keys around and not let you actually input > keys > to program to that key. None of the programs I've found on line allow the > user to type in control functions and map it to a key... > > anyone have any suggestions ??? years ago I had a Gateway computer with a > keyboard utility that actually recorded keystrokes to a key similar to a > macro > I guess... > > I'm not a macro writer and don't want to be... I just want to put c > and > v on some keys and get on with my life... it's cumbersome for a > left > handed person to enter those combos with their right hand... > > help ??? > > tia > john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 18:52:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B332D0C6D for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:52:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A4B612D0A13 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 17:59:22 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1336348797; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=IUAAQcVQFtSmcU8Celx1hZ4LCINN7CAFz/A/ZBNrvjO97HuhxYaslOqKJNCW9xLuY I30POgfJgrhKbtZ9YcP7dWz3rXwFp5ZBC2GnUvHqPxroA06TjsOe3Cb0cBOxe2HsoR 7dYOj6M4yUAMGbiYo+riyTZKbkFvcrbt+tx+EPv8= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail05.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.145]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABH4QEDLAKLMWPJ for (sender ); Sun, 6 May 2012 16:59:38 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: l0tzfbVg/zoqPq90CBJNEjjVWXj/W/ZPHzx0TRzbnVsrRZCyqgc9sg== Received: (from mbarre@juno.com) by webmail05.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id R74YH6ST; Sun, 06 May 2012 16:58:50 PDT Received: from [24.214.163.54] by webmail05.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 6 May 2012 23:58:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.214.163.54] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Matt" Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 23:58:03 GMT To: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20120506.195803.17915.1@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> X-UNTD-BodySize: 1912 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3194343671 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.181.12.145|webmail05.vgs.untd.com|outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com|mbarre@juno.com X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Shop-talk] More computer questionss X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net While we are considering computer stuff for John, I will toss one out as well. I have a nice outdoor clock that the sun has destroyed the paper clock face.I found some scale-able clock face graphics on the net, but I am pondering how to get one printed with an 18.5" diameter. The easy solution will be to go to a local printing, graphics or sign shop and have them use one of their plotters. I am not going to remove the hands from the clock, so I will at a minimum need to cut the face along a radius.I was wondering if I could get away with printing segments on 8.5" cardstock with a laser printer and then "assemble" the face. Any ideas? Thanks,Matt _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 19:47:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A832D0C7B for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 19:47:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1222D0A68 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:12:01 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=AReSM+NfnUhvw2+qYnsseuMmDWZ/1eBfTf/xXxEkAqsl9roXafQkadO2N/tvsyC+; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.129.30.164] (helo=[192.168.1.68]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SRBYw-00064Z-PI; Sun, 06 May 2012 20:12:26 -0400 Message-ID: <4FA7133A.7090109@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 17:11:38 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Niolon References: In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: f30ccafafe09714d4d2b10475b571120739822263f43e004c9d4ece8bf01585eea62108d15b7b260350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.129.30.164 Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] keyboard help X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net John - You could do it all with the mouse and skip the keyboard. Right click the cell to select it and bring up the mouse menu. Mouse over copy and left click. Go to the new cell, right click and select paste from the mouse menu. Since this is for Excel, you can also hit the enter key to paste. This works in Excel 2010. Other programs may require you to highlight the text or data first with the left mouse button before you can copy, but with a full cell in Excel, you can skip that step. I think you will find that faster than crtl-c/v. You can also move the mouse to your right hand. I'm right handed, but on two of my work computers, I use a left mouse because I use a lot of keypad entry. With a right mouse, I'd have to constantly move my right hand between the keypad and the mouse. With the left mouse, I can move the mouse and enter numbers without extra hand movement. Try it for a few days to get used to it. After a while, you don't notice a difference. Brian On 5/6/2012 2:41 PM, John Niolon wrote: > my work involves a lot of excel work and similar data being copy and pasted > from one sheet to another... my old keyboard had programmable keys and I use > a left handed mouse. I programmed two unused keys on the right side with > c and v. I'd highlight the date with the mouse in my left > hand... hit the reprogrammed copy key...switch sheets and hit the paste key... > slick, fast and easy.. > > new keyboard is a microsoft wireless and while it does have a 'program' > function..., it will only move keys around and not let you actually input keys > to program to that key. None of the programs I've found on line allow the > user to type in control functions and map it to a key... > > anyone have any suggestions ??? years ago I had a Gateway computer with a > keyboard utility that actually recorded keystrokes to a key similar to a macro > I guess... > > I'm not a macro writer and don't want to be... I just want to put c and > v on some keys and get on with my life... it's cumbersome for a left > handed person to enter those combos with their right hand... > > help ??? > > tia > john > > > > > > I'm sarcastic... what's your superpower ? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 20:34:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDB52D0C8E for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Hopefully there is some simple app that will accomplish that > more easily > than researching the correct > keywords and codes Here's one that looks interesting: http://goo.gl/U4Vx1 Some more: http://goo.gl/YmyXl And even more, including some that allow macros to be easily attached to certain keys: http://goo.gl/iZJDb -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 20:36:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034D82D0A0D for ; 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Sun, 06 May 2012 18:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.186.194 with HTTP; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:20:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 21:20:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] keyboard help X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > You can add registry entries to remap any key to a different keycode. > I have added one to my PC to disable the caps lock key, which I hit > accidentally > far more often than deliberately. I'd be interested in learning how to do that. Neanderthal that I am, I just pried the "Caps Lock" key off the keyboard and put it in a drawer. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 23:43:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB2D2D0CA8 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 23:43:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6769D2D0A53 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 22:17:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6row1j0031u4NiLADsJHh5; Mon, 07 May 2012 04:18:17 +0000 Received: from Mike ([71.231.223.23]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6sJG1j00G0WuPoP8hsJGVY; Mon, 07 May 2012 04:18:17 +0000 Message-ID: <411385BA588E4319AAF62A32C9D162BB@Mike> From: "Mike Sinclair" To: "Brian Kemp" References: <4FA7133A.7090109@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 21:19:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] keyboard help X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I also am right-handed, but use the mouse with my left hand for the same reason. I taught myself to "ten-key" using the number pad, and after a short time, it is second nature. There is even a second Enter key at the number pad. I'm so used to doing it this way, that it is now difficult to use the mouse with the right hand. I recommend it. Mike > > You can also move the mouse to your right hand. I'm right handed, but on > two of my work computers, I use a left mouse because I use a lot of keypad > entry. With a right mouse, I'd have to constantly move my right hand > between the keypad and the mouse. With the left mouse, I can move the > mouse and enter numbers without extra hand movement. Try it for a few > days to get used to it. After a while, you don't notice a difference. > > Brian _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 06:51:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3582D0C2A for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 06:51:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841EF2D0CAB for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 05:12:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbbey12 with SMTP id ey12so4549527vbb.14 for ; Mon, 07 May 2012 04:13:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=L2kHTr6XYv3Qp7rUihqyVppbl9SiqKliKQxWqDiL6Po=; b=yXgQW3AxeUfxWg/zOjWzEgqLg3a6cHP8/K7VnXAQG93wxeiwJUeAZF39F6MiscP8IX DiyWZBr7DxXGfFGHQnwECp7Sxej4M3o2WQLixoeyaYHGGl5E9LFgrQUZhqyUzFlDgXtr xgnsGh1bQtmpafp6vZIwtI9LvXSIqsekI8NTFDkRAOoiw+DcKhodCQDAb15L6W1rFSnQ n5GLbsXr8wming8auH/WBiW4Z8B8ovuj0QMaUumDf+TpWCgH8Bsfm+ady2E5EJoua1vM jPBwYTElKjUMjDZuvzHBEqf5afHhRsU6I9jGS35WPZAFnUhzbdIAH9K223CQJLrs5YI1 y2wA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.116.7 with SMTP id k7mr9722997vcq.13.1336389213813; Mon, 07 May 2012 04:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.186.194 with HTTP; Mon, 7 May 2012 04:13:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FA7133A.7090109@earthlink.net> References: <4FA7133A.7090109@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 07:13:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] keyboard help X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: > You can also move the mouse to your right hand. I'm right handed, but on > two of my work computers, I use a left mouse because I use a lot of keypad > entry. With a right mouse, I'd have to constantly move my right hand > between the keypad and the mouse. With a USB mouse, you can have more than one connected. Switch back and forth, depending on the task. When you're in the shop, you can have a clean mouse and a greasy mouse... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 10:03:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1782D0C87 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 10:03:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F7D2D0B83 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 08:37:02 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=t3LgwIJAPxHf7ZwQY4RImxaD7wYGx95zjA2ciZzJQFsL4HuHZ6rKhKKybjK38ItO; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.129.31.223] (helo=[192.168.1.68]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SRP42-0007d9-R1; Mon, 07 May 2012 10:37:27 -0400 Message-ID: <4FA7DDF6.50008@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 07:36:38 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Scarbrough References: <4FA7133A.7090109@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: f30ccafafe09714d4d2b10475b5711206ac1f9264cd9ad644148a39e6fb1083110f442d017fcf8a2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.129.31.223 Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] keyboard help X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net A second mouse is also a fun practical joke in the office if you have computers near each other. Slowly move the second mouse and watch the confusion on the user. If you can see the screen, randomly open desktop icons. I imagine the current wireless mice make this even easier. Brian On 5/7/2012 4:13 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: >> You can also move the mouse to your right hand. I'm right handed, but on >> two of my work computers, I use a left mouse because I use a lot of keypad >> entry. With a right mouse, I'd have to constantly move my right hand >> between the keypad and the mouse. > With a USB mouse, you can have more than one connected. Switch back > and forth, depending on the task. > > When you're in the shop, you can have a clean mouse and a greasy mouse... > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 14:53:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24E62D0A12 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 14:53:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF752D0973 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 13:21:46 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=Zu7hmkkucyMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dLDvOdUTz9tPYcwbrH0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:51176] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id E4/A9-05935-BE028AF4; Mon, 07 May 2012 19:22:20 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'shop-talk@autox.team.net'" References: <4FA7133A.7090109@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 12:22:18 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01cd2c86$b87de2b0$2979a810$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0sUEPL5dHC6bmPRvCtX4c8eU4+DgANf7jw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] keyboard help X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > With a USB mouse, you can have more than one connected. Switch back > and forth, depending on the task. Maybe it depends on version of Windoze, or version of mouse. But when I tried to connect both a USB mouse and my USB trackball, it didn't work. FWIW, I'm right handed, but use the mouse left handed to reduce the load on my right hand. I was getting pain that I suspected was related to carpal tunnel syndrome, and it slowly got better after switching the mouse to the left. I pound buttons for a living though, I doubt a more casual user would have a problem. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 18:41:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6682D0978 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 18:41:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BF2E32D0679 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 16:15:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.99] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 22:16:17 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.93] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 22:16:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 22:16:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 583434.88338.bm@omp1030.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 70621 invoked from network); 7 May 2012 22:16:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336428976; bh=al0XPGRyuqr4iCa4VmUXWotGrLf+YEXodsreXhVkt8I=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=XYe2CJ2YsglDs1aSxhFs3ca+e2xuc9TGGYMdwNW8DBGNe13iEKsm4KWM3JXA7H/s3qj+wsWiQG9to6ekXedCAm/5/P8WSKzlRW8sAMLD6rZmSR/U/fGI2tTMt4FLkro8gMugHI36bZzgRZzLSNjSdW+akk8Iq90kiLUTnT/bc8o= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: cBNL0icVM1k8Axmw9bxiISyuqTSfn_evFD7Dxu85pQmpXUe aQjWb2jXef9YVtkpQPPQjFEcZ.KL5mbpPzDzeXUkAFPvG_FSy9D1DRSuXIe7 WVKYuWD22CQfYUK3OBSviXTCWFOI5bdgaqZ3i68MnYPWS.IOrO4ycbMqy4y0 r5lqhGQw6kunlYSx1Izy55tXhu8AWU_msxiFGRIqiFdYJ_MXM9hrKpTSgP1W DtXFFu0Pw_.tHkKHduOxM3LHXTPbKCFdqqHAIk4DMbuDBKdS.QjKDC8c423e SjKL.ePTKtgVeAfSIXsJkOB4bcl7Ew1qvsdVF7gt2v2iWeu0EvxqBVoaX1.I .OvDTMD_YdHXPx4YSPGw0uYZ2eViIYN2KFXQjalaRbyyO6H6LKVcH3HLvrnW BSsCHlUBZHG2qKRggB3vAuOyy88LugSdCoaSWf3h63EiSDxi2x7qkhPljjv6 LibBihbAndXiVR0SULPaIH_KBXjF3Ed2lZh6YGm0d3Z7.WOSd1bD4oKW5c6p OliD9Z0K7Xe2FDJ5UzsZLmxnWwn43PhCCZSZ0FyD2cMKK9hA465vfBfz205w e1_X1pYf3IeAS X-Yahoo-SMTP: N1vUKuCswBBFA6w98oBmnWwA.ZnMue1mJ2F6zw-- Received: from john5043a2d406 (jniolon@108.227.226.77 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 May 2012 15:16:16 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <926C2F46CA1E4D008D40AA7CD20CF933@john5043a2d406> From: "John Niolon" To: "Randall" , "shop-talk" References: <025f01cd2bee$8fc64940$0601a8c0@randall> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 17:17:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] keyboard help X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net thanks guys for all the suggestions... all of the commercial (read $$$) software I found would let you swap one key for another and several totally ignored the 'extra' keys. I wanted to just remap two of the extras to copy/paste. I finally got the microsoft keyboard software to work and it's been working properly all day... didn't want to get into macro or script writing... wanted something quick and dirty and got it.... thanks for the help.. now if some of you would like to come on over and help with this mountain of paperwork... I can give you the address to mapquest... thanks John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'shop-talk'" Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] keyboard help >> Hopefully there is some simple app that will accomplish that >> more easily >> than researching the correct >> keywords and codes > > Here's one that looks interesting: > http://goo.gl/U4Vx1 > > Some more: > http://goo.gl/YmyXl > > And even more, including some that allow macros to be easily attached to > certain keys: > http://goo.gl/iZJDb > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 21:18:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9ED2D0993 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 21:18:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C432D095D for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 19:59:55 -0600 (MDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAO58qE8yL5jd/2dsb2JhbABEsyeDEwEBAQQ4QAEQCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFBg6IE7sTkQgEiGSTEI1V X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,547,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="279087560" X-Originating-IP: [50.47.152.221] Received: from relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.244]) by out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 08 May 2012 02:00:30 +0000 X-Previous-IP: 50.47.152.221 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-152-221.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.152.221]) by relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5A07530C0CF; Tue, 8 May 2012 02:00:30 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4FA87E3D.8020103@frontier.com> Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 19:00:29 -0700 From: "David C." User-Agent: Spicebird/0.7 (Windows; 2008112221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randall References: <4FA7133A.7090109@earthlink.net> <000b01cd2c86$b87de2b0$2979a810$@rr.com> In-Reply-To: <000b01cd2c86$b87de2b0$2979a810$@rr.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120507-1, 05/07/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: "'shop-talk@autox.team.net'" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] keyboard help X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I dunno. I'm right handed but I have been mousing left handed for over 15 years. If I go back to a right handed mouse for any length of time I get tendinitis in my right hand/wrist pretty soon. It drives my coworkers and the IS people nuts. Randall wrote: > FWIW, I'm right handed, but use the mouse left handed to reduce the load on > my right hand. I was getting pain that I suspected was related to carpal > tunnel syndrome, and it slowly got better after switching the mouse to the > left. I pound buttons for a living though, I doubt a more casual user would > have a problem. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 11:05:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A412D067F for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 11:05:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E832A2D070C for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 09:13:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so791095eek.14 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 08:14:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PhtDsYKV8gTnLsReOTP7TFYvzlDsBhdRj/nKhuJidOc=; b=D2NMfBPM4Q+SmhJ1d0DWeE4hcLMaE3HcCF9O2ef79Q+IeeusTTTRNoIA3X3yOzcxS1 vm5T/aK16mMrckpW9/RP0PtMt2HFd786FWzDIvTsfl2rseqNFTm2I53MYNIHXZ4qJq7d xhGc08tAsfKea001BrMGOcBHbTDads1T04bR6DUGaPg7BB+FiqZ9H2XaQhYPHEbS0XRQ BNgYHl5Msm1fDvs3S4swjyubafDvzliDGpKqjEb62GfYcJDXbTR6Q0SLGOgCDBMznz/3 JxcBSQVVQcdJFiG+mw9m8YkHzhty+CwQGYpPj2ALmrg9Q7klnKV+OxP7Nd8Scthn5+yq hl6w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.153.201 with SMTP id vi9mr2459236igb.46.1336662859195; Thu, 10 May 2012 08:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.28.194 with HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 08:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 08:14:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: Shannah Miller To: ShopTalk Subject: [Shop-talk] Wire Basket? X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I need to find a wire basket for holding lumber, as a gift to a friend. The idea would be that most of the time, it would sit in his shop, but at times, he could use his Kubota tractor to move it elsewhere. So, obviously, that would mean non-installed, flat on the bottom. As I understand it, it's to hold scrap pieces of lumber, not entire 2x4s. The basket part of a traditional shopping cart (metal) would be close to ideal, although less tapered would be even better. Is there a name for such a thing, and if so, any idea where I can buy one? Thanks, Shannah _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 13:13:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C542D066D for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 13:13:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E8A832D0332 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 11:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 17:16:26 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.49] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 17:16:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 17:16:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336670186; bh=h0gmYZCphoiGVVokZVPC3fc4EabTMzaDM156X30EVws=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=mobO2NZ8Q1VtnJ5Fmh/CyVU7ZmCuMhMWDOE45u6BTx2nmZq/oMUosl4eo1XKzYa/GVpQC0qzPkUZldt+crvGgQSoTAwNyBX4cLSXA2szoBQ+PsaG9eOW8R1nlVLtA5mrb4waxagz22uGXScKo7rJaUZiZtIlaCNMbNKHFWxE5q8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 125969.61129.bm@smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: dtTD9FkVM1lOzJU70S7f3xjSEqJ2bV58xVJHbyKvR.cEC2b T2cN5o3EVcQmS_QOV1f1wipgEF4jWAUjL0LkW5fh_BMg3vZGPVRfty9Oo0N8 0blZzKwlLVS3z5YfnmS_65fltprVSM_yZPCCjsLy83SiDZTFcAfKzxkpIiL1 dQJkVP6aQ4ho_jtzxJuvsXzETtsTcanBv1BEQJbXQ1onDUICWYe01tRp4wls mj6jW5KoEwhhZHea_6bPd_NBMJRw656Du2s4NzjxLozeY5etBh0UvKcHGJj_ PHsK7vHyCkmtU3.eK2q3g25x6hLNHeURIpSFtjc5Q18yVFQZV7z7Phn5COI3 IpActe5Oj59Tt1twDMrCuAroK9nGJdPxXPk89CXs5NQJ9R.dMV_TLXVkZDza aGzhKQjirJ5e8EfGCUwBuTulXKREr3rozD6w2tNQ3f6XqH5KCAJI1a7NlYHH j03qCeCW0OPc6IbnQcdDnBim2PBdyrQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: N1vUKuCswBBFA6w98oBmnWwA.ZnMue1mJ2F6zw-- Received: from john5043a2d406 (jniolon@108.227.226.77 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2012 10:16:25 -0700 PDT Message-ID: From: "John Niolon" To: "Shannah Miller" , "shop-talk" References: Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 12:17:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wire Basket? X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Shannah... I haven't googled it yet... but do some searches on material handling or warehouse bins... I know they make what you are looking for both in metal and in a resin material and some are even collapsable for storage... what size are we talking 2x3 ?? 4x6 ?? I'll do some surfing johnm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannah Miller" To: "ShopTalk" Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:14 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] Wire Basket? > Hi, > > I need to find a wire basket for holding lumber, as a gift > to a friend. The idea would be that most of the time, it > would sit in his shop, but at times, he could use his > Kubota tractor to move it elsewhere. So, obviously, that > would mean non-installed, flat on the bottom. > > As I understand it, it's to hold scrap pieces of lumber, > not entire 2x4s. > > The basket part of a traditional shopping cart (metal) > would be close to ideal, although less tapered would > be even better. > > Is there a name for such a thing, and if so, any idea > where I can buy one? > > Thanks, > > Shannah > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 13:13:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD96F2D05E1 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 13:13:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-65-40-236-36.sta.embarqhsd.net [65.40.236.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7812D04B0 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 11:21:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.232.87.4] ([174.252.16.171]) by dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.1) with ESMTP id 2012051013180633-2558 ; Thu, 10 May 2012 13:18:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1e31b5b5-16b2-4db0-a927-0af9158c80e4@blur> From: eric@megageek.com To: "Shannah Miller", shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:22:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Motorola android mail 1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on DOGBERT2/Megageek(Release 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 05/10/2012 13:18:06, Serialize by Router on DOGBERT2/Megageek(Release 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 05/10/2012 13:18:10, Serialize complete at 05/10/2012 13:18:10 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wire Basket? X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You want a bulk container. They aren't cheap. email me if you want more information on them add I have or at home. Sent from my 4G Razor. -----Original message----- From: Shannah Miller To: ShopTalk Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 13:01:34 EDT Subject: [Shop-talk] Wire Basket? Hi, I need to find a wire basket for holding lumber, as a gift to a friend. The idea would be that most of the time, it would sit in his shop, but at times, he could use his Kubota tractor to move it elsewhere. So, obviously, that would mean non-installed, flat on the bottom. As I understand it, it's to hold scrap pieces of lumber, not entire 2x4s. The basket part of a traditional shopping cart (metal) would be close to ideal, although less tapered would be even better. Is there a name for such a thing, and if so, any idea where I can buy one? Thanks, Shannah _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 13:13:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9112D06F3 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 13:13:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nexicom.net (barracuda1.nexicom.net [216.168.96.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2BF2D068C for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 11:39:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=172.16.254.1; Received: from surge1.nexicom.net (unverified [172.16.254.1]) by nexicom.net (SurgeMail 5.1c) with ESMTP id 315221365-1712458 for multiple; Thu, 10 May 2012 13:39:49 -0400 From: darmstrong@nexicom.net To: Shannah Miller , Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:39:49 -0400 Message-id: <4fabfd65.5350.4613e940.62d0b17f@nexicom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 172.16.254.1 X-Mailer: SurgeWeb - Ajax Webmail Client X-Authenticated-User: darmstrong@nexicom.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wire Basket? X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Are you looking for something like this - open mesh steel stacking containers? You may be able to find used ones though used industrial equipment sales companies. http://www.storage-systems.ca/stackingbins.html Doug Armstrong --- Original message --- Subject: [Shop-talk] Wire Basket? From: Shannah Miller To: ShopTalk Date: Thursday, 10/05/2012 1:05 PM Hi, I need to find a wire basket for holding lumber, as a gift to a friend. The idea would be that most of the time, it would sit in his shop, but at times, he could use his Kubota tractor to move it elsewhere. So, obviously, that would mean non-installed, flat on the bottom. As I understand it, it's to hold scrap pieces of lumber, not entire 2x4s. The basket part of a traditional shopping cart (metal) would be close to ideal, although less tapered would be even better. Is there a name for such a thing, and if so, any idea where I can buy one? Thanks, Shannah _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/darmstrong@nexicom.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 14:33:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19A02D068E for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:33:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42AD22D03F0 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm7 with SMTP id m7so2617452yen.14 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 11:41:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Iu4NFtMAOPFLcf0yItrWSe5V581tCATOAnOBmaOhT2I=; b=sZioLtaHchK2hQ33vgJCjOxzYPnXuLjTdE/hlKGuEAyzTRui4fWyWvXz1g3IPWfrjX SBK/44v9gjMMcryf/H5Hxn8qV1bqD97M1gaGBOX0GLd7YICaLznFN2zj5GZr9Av/UuI1 7GRWB9l11DHYgwFY4GkoyqdDyQVK9A6QFgubRhD60sV8uaPHWYkP8F2AZaLX0vr9SBTX hzSOeiQ6U4QzmvWKInu3+7QEsipOnRtZK/PoTwfVgONHklfNfLT0sMpFwt8g1whAuVZb apXxrnw5lao43LldbUdg9rAZOrxRMSbDS04DXnWYKdgSouzQax4UuTFW0oRXazMvsZsI Za6A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.180.135 with SMTP id do7mr3275681igc.56.1336675299795; Thu, 10 May 2012 11:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.183.163 with HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 11:41:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 14:41:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: Benjamin Zwissler To: Shannah Miller X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: ShopTalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wire Basket? X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've seen many mfg companies have similar baskets for keeping scrap, parts, etc. on the production floor. Most I've seen are made to be moved by forklift and look to be roughly 4'x4'x4'. The wire is woven and pretty heavy gauge - maybe 3/16" dia. I'd guess the bins weigh >100lbs themselves. Ben...... On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Shannah Miller wrote: > Hi, > > I need to find a wire basket for holding lumber, as a gift > to a friend. The idea would be that most of the time, it > would sit in his shop, but at times, he could use his > Kubota tractor to move it elsewhere. So, obviously, that > would mean non-installed, flat on the bottom. > > As I understand it, it's to hold scrap pieces of lumber, > not entire 2x4s. > > The basket part of a traditional shopping cart (metal) > would be close to ideal, although less tapered would > be even better. > > Is there a name for such a thing, and if so, any idea > where I can buy one? > > Thanks, > > Shannah > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 15:44:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BF52D06F8 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:44:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from haybaler.sackheads.org (haybaler.sackheads.org [140.186.190.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A576C2D0677 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 13:27:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) by haybaler.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DA3285A3 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haybaler.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (haybaler.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2sr5BEfcFy9x for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by haybaler.sackheads.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF926285A1; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 15:27:43 -0400 From: Jimmie Mayfield To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Message-ID: <20120510192743.GA33632@sackheads.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wire Baskets X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If you have access to a welder, you could construct your own basket from the wire mesh decking used with commercial pallet racks. That stuff will support thousands of pounds and goes pretty cheap on the secondhand market. If you live near a big city, chances are you can even find some listed on craigslist (check the 'business' and 'materials' categories). JM _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 11:09:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086EE2D07ED for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 11:09:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108E42D064A for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 09:02:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wefh52 with SMTP id h52so696827wef.14 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:03:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EYTDozLtzAQYAKTs2/m0/79Kl5zON1Gvt5oLNgVNiqo=; b=hZ5naHX6kRQ5J/odOfSpXGULl0py2ILHGCUoLI1u9XN+UyN3TaKg6F1rnbttUf476V nkKX1FAz2urraSrllfaq109NjRRqqs27mVArIbH7uslv6vII2g2cdmX4t5gb5XSI8T6+ aW6aPvK0zWzAYIQSuyw/SfIoeKeYbQ3s0QD99QHjQn8jbV/sRwXFGNtwNqe3lr5yR1ae roRhZ0pTG+VnAMYqev1nSt1RoqMxcxc+ED84y6KHszxPZ3BfNgT78s1tIjMCYlK6XVFA 5y2gakr5Ui3OWoYS0LfGMU6lzy9r+XlQU6+FTA2SaUxF8TiFFQfH2/KusursTtSysfX4 eERQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.11.194 with SMTP id s2mr1836892igb.60.1336748589865; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.28.194 with HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:03:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 08:03:09 -0700 Message-ID: From: Shannah Miller To: ShopTalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wire Basket? X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, Wow, thanks everyone! I got a lot of good suggestions, and learned that these can even be found in a collapsible format! Several people sent URLs, which was very helpful. It's nice to be in the position of deciding which one to send, rather than wondering if I'll find one at all. Shannah _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 17:58:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574CB2D0920 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 17:58:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm38-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm38-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E26432D0844 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 16:48:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm38.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 22:48:50 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.226] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 22:48:50 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.110] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 22:48:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 22:48:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 435682.96173.bm@omp1015.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 45226 invoked from network); 11 May 2012 22:48:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=snet.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yApOGbmMK78WvAxhT4mzCghIkv15ftI1Xc8uU8uYbqpa3GK0ZXs7gwTC8dmOc3RSZgDwq+6pcNgnyOrKnW3PSnEIW4z+BbZ6gUmzYLqQHrKryltsrOUpmG6/OpOswOqWTK7nAMNxZ0EXZcPNw2u2h7jgFKobtquCmeBtystZe+8= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=snet.net; s=s1024; t=1336776530; bh=RB6PSe3HDVNH+9KkVL6lHOx/syJdPwzlA8/57rPiMRM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=c8MIsEYHmcxq5CUmNTPwBgyyQHvAOxBBMwIlL3OiW5nypGXLssc3nMRyeZjV2AKykmxLi8oAcemxApM+YH6L7RqCBCi3mUUdhB3enXzLRxQqQ5koFopp3/7bB+IWq3l5isS99byxhe3YXiwAqF0LgW4xjO/petEAN2s8YDqBcxo= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: u9cHVbUVM1k9humEmaJQDBA_z1uPV0ws7IokET7OPcnJyr7 n_22wsipBufePau4ndbLtBS.ZMgYputS_CIk6r0I7dljScKICLkiapO3LhoA 2R8ZXsyRchkmUhNWHMbzpXbHNbnlb7pC7pG3l.Wu7kdDwW1lThfwAypoq4SI fFlVaxhW2d94mHMws7cpyYnFdktp5kKHOrztwR7zWyWmEAS40QeV2.0w1Jlr yt4Hq8yRuPIMocJRFlqCZeZanpnq5Sg0hTPTjRfZemHY136vT8vMnGhfpdKO VZC_VDdpbiC44aiX0qeNh89KzVVoH7114BNNhnvRFFV9S_YQrvOFJivbgM7O wntRM7uEY_twXlIL0XqftinnjqJiJpoHGJBBAt3.dCYQWrvJRsaG8MLKwGi5 tH0Uy8diYOS66O6tUPDbfTifX0Pc19lYS8N0t X-Yahoo-SMTP: 1WRl2sCswBCmBhi2CkDx6GhQLKxZxMCnH2D4LA-- Received: from [127.0.0.1] (jmitch@99.42.254.179 with plain) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2012 15:48:50 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4FAD9725.9020608@snet.net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 18:48:05 -0400 From: John Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Deck Coating X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Last fall we put up a new deck with mahogany floor boards and everything else cedar. I coated everything with Benjamin Moore Alkyd translucent Deck and Siding finish. To make a long story short, it didn't hold up. I can see areas on the floor boards where the coating has just disappeared and these are on areas that get little or no traffic. Can anyone make a suggestion for another finish I can put on top of this, that will hold up better. I was told I'd get a least 2 years out of this finish and that's what I'm shooting for. Thanks for any help, John Mitchell Shelton, CT _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 21:29:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F15B2D098C for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 21:29:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-65-40-236-36.sta.embarqhsd.net [65.40.236.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886352D099B for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 20:18:20 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.2 September 26, 2006 Message-ID: From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 22:14:50 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DOGBERT2/Megageek(Release 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 05/12/2012 22:14:38, Serialize complete at 05/12/2012 22:14:38 Subject: [Shop-talk] Bio diesel question. X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I know lots of people burn used cooking oil in diesel vehicles. And since my oil heat is basically diesel fuel, my question is... Can I burn used cooking oil in my home heating oil tank? If so, what do I need to do with first? For some background, I have two 360 gal tanks, and I'm only talking about maybe a gallon of used cooking oil per month or two. Also, I have my unit serviced every year. Thanks. (anything I can do to save some money is helpful!) Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 11:01:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F6F2D0A4F for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 11:01:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail956c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail956c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965C32D0A45 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 10:17:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail956c35.nsolutionszone.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail956c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4DGHqhN009033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 13 May 2012 16:17:52 GMT Received: (from webmail@localhost) by mail956c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.12.2/Submit) id q4DGHiLp009005; Sun, 13 May 2012 16:17:44 GMT Received: from 152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov (152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov [152.133.7.64]) by webmail2.centurytel.net (Webmail 4.0 V.V.I.) with HTTP for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 12:17:44 -0400 Message-ID: <20120513121744.2a7uht3ymles4kkg@webmail2.centurytel.net> From: ejrussell@mebtel.net To: , Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:17:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Webmail 4.0 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=oOWexDCy1exmZsavGt5CB8D4LyjMzl3P95O8gYxH9d8= c=1 sm=1 a=vFMCQZgPscsA:10 a=61kl6HbqqPEA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=GPr01A5e9VcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=QiQcBifw3rKpjI8epQikPQ==:17 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=lvSu34Wwid_5W6iOOJwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=fN2J7l6Gh3oA:10 a=WkljmVdYkabdwxfqvArNOQ==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4FAFDEB0.0041, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Bio diesel question. X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ejrussell@mebtel.net List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net BioDiesel is not simply burning used cooking oil - it is processed into a form usable in a conventional diesel engine. The process of converting used cooking oil into BioDiesel makes it cost more than conventional diesel. It is probably a Good Thing environmentally but not from a strictly economical viewpoint. I believe there are ways to convert a diesel engine to run on used cooking oil but that wasn't your question... I would assume that you could 'dispose' of a few gallons of used cooking oil by diluting it in a few hundred gallons of fuel oil. But it doesn't seem like that was your question either... What was your question...? Oh - saving some money. I doubt that a few gallons of used cooking oil in your home heating system is going to save any money unless it is very expensive to otherwise dispose of it. Eric Russell Mebane, NC Quoting eric@megageek.com: > I know lots of people burn used cooking oil in diesel vehicles. > > And since my oil heat is basically diesel fuel, my question is... > > Can I burn used cooking oil in my home heating oil tank? If so, what do I > need to do with first? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 11:38:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C844D2D0A99 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 11:38:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-65-40-236-36.sta.embarqhsd.net [65.40.236.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9FB62D0A74 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 10:41:58 -0600 (MDT) In-Reply-To: <20120513121744.2a7uht3ymles4kkg@webmail2.centurytel.net> To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.2 September 26, 2006 Message-ID: From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:39:49 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DOGBERT2/Megageek(Release 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 05/13/2012 12:38:14, Serialize complete at 05/13/2012 12:38:14 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Bio diesel question. X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I guess my question is, will I hurt anything if I drain (filtered) used cooking oil into my heat oil tank? This is mostly for a 'clean' way to dispose of the oil, and if I save a few pennies (and don't hurt the burner) that's a bonus. So it is sounding like this is a possible way to go then, correct? Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson ejrussell@mebtel.net 05/13/2012 12:14 Please respond to ejrussell@mebtel.net To , cc Subject Re: [Shop-talk] Bio diesel question. BioDiesel is not simply burning used cooking oil - it is processed into a form usable in a conventional diesel engine. The process of converting used cooking oil into BioDiesel makes it cost more than conventional diesel. It is probably a Good Thing environmentally but not from a strictly economical viewpoint. I believe there are ways to convert a diesel engine to run on used cooking oil but that wasn't your question... I would assume that you could 'dispose' of a few gallons of used cooking oil by diluting it in a few hundred gallons of fuel oil. But it doesn't seem like that was your question either... What was your question...? Oh - saving some money. I doubt that a few gallons of used cooking oil in your home heating system is going to save any money unless it is very expensive to otherwise dispose of it. Eric Russell Mebane, NC Quoting eric@megageek.com: > I know lots of people burn used cooking oil in diesel vehicles. > > And since my oil heat is basically diesel fuel, my question is... > > Can I burn used cooking oil in my home heating oil tank? If so, what do I > need to do with first? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 13:10:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55992D0A78 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:10:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498072D0A59 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 11:43:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=61kl6HbqqPEA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Mad6gugEAAAA:20 a=LqPuHgQpAAAA:20 a=RwIcNQbldl5y06isNCwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=dPlrWpkKAFcA:10 a=KMG07fv2i40A:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 1E/21-29249-6D2FFAF4; Sun, 13 May 2012 17:43:51 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: <20120513121744.2a7uht3ymles4kkg@webmail2.centurytel.net> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 10:43:49 -0700 Message-ID: <0a0501cd312f$f5500b20$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0xKiMMsu7RdPj/R4msoCZXhnIjlwAAtEqQ In-Reply-To: <20120513121744.2a7uht3ymles4kkg@webmail2.centurytel.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Bio diesel question. X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > The process of > converting used cooking oil into BioDiesel makes it cost more than > conventional diesel. That depends a great deal on what you pay for the cooking oil. From everything I've read, the conversion process itself is relatively inexpensive, but only produces about 2/3 as much oil as you put in. There are also ways of running diesel engines on cooking oil directly. For example, both approaches are discussed at http://goo.gl/SbH6l But heating oil is not quite the same as diesel, and I know some furnaces don't even like to be run on diesel fuel. Typically it smokes much more, which can lead to clogged nozzles and chimney fires (not to mention the smell). Might work OK for you, but it seems like a significant risk to me. A better approach might be to build a used oil heater, and use it to heat the shop or similar area. Here's an assortment of plans http://goo.gl/nEJpz If it will cleanly burn old crankcase oil, then cooking oil should be no problem. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 13:11:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FB62D0A88 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:11:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail956c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail956c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E43D2D0A76 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 11:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail956c35.nsolutionszone.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail956c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4DHngON022873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 13 May 2012 17:49:42 GMT Received: (from webmail@localhost) by mail956c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.12.2/Submit) id q4DHngE2022872; Sun, 13 May 2012 17:49:42 GMT Received: from 152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov (152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov [152.133.7.64]) by webmail2.centurytel.net (Webmail 4.0 V.V.I.) with HTTP for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:49:42 -0400 Message-ID: <20120513134942.u4uewux6c6kowos4@webmail2.centurytel.net> From: ejrussell@mebtel.net To: , Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 13:49:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Webmail 4.0 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=oOWexDCy1exmZsavGt5CB8D4LyjMzl3P95O8gYxH9d8= c=1 sm=1 a=vFMCQZgPscsA:10 a=61kl6HbqqPEA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=GPr01A5e9VcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=QiQcBifw3rKpjI8epQikPQ==:17 a=tsVGP72QsmMvlquJ0NcA:9 a=8Bi6NM-RPyO2AXBIoqgA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=4yGBadMuKgu_syQ-:21 a=WOKzXBIZ0JIPLeY0:21 a=WkljmVdYkabdwxfqvArNOQ==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4FAFF436.0080, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Bio diesel question. X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ejrussell@mebtel.net List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I guess my question is, will I hurt anything if I drain (filtered) used > cooking oil into my heat oil tank? > > This is mostly for a 'clean' way to dispose of the oil, and if I save a > few pennies (and don't hurt the burner) that's a bonus. I *assume* it won't hurt - in the same way adding a couple of gallons of most anything that'll sort of burn into a few hundred gallons of fuel oil 'won't hurt'. But I'm not sure why you'd bother. Why not give it to someone who does make BioDiesel or drives a vehicle converted to burn cooking oil? Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 13:58:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED1E2D0B3C for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:58:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B49EE2D0A59 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 12:49:25 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1336935004; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=NVThXmixkwx/nAf47QyfiiWZFZMprBiL4aYywPwMhPhsmndJ4p2pkl9gZ7Y63/E2m lsxkffs+snKmHhVxzJIrajTMK42NRLx7dOKyxgh5wpB+KXy7vKqhMDgCICP8DGD97z 53O9YWB9UUiAKTM15Zd9PkvFUuRIllcF8ArEw7Lc= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail04.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.144]) by smtpout05.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABH5AAUHA5Y7X52 for (sender ); Sun, 13 May 2012 11:49:43 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: l0tzfbVg/zoqPq90CBJNEuAYKiWD/cDOnIcyvG5EWfXp7wayvocu/g== Received: (from mbarre@juno.com) by webmail04.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id R8NFLF5P; Sun, 13 May 2012 11:49:19 PDT Received: from [24.214.163.54] by webmail04.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 13 May 2012 18:48:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.214.163.54] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Matt" Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 18:48:59 GMT To: eric@megageek.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20120513.144859.25033.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> X-UNTD-BodySize: 6821 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:4001732288 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.181.12.144|webmail04.vgs.untd.com|outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com|mbarre@juno.com X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Bio diesel question. X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net >From what I understand about "greasecars" that simply burn old fryer oil; you get them up and running with the normal diesel fuel system and have a means of warming the grease via engine heat, then you can switch over to the warmed grease. Then a few miles from your destination, you switch back to the diesel to purge the grease from the system before shutting down. I would be concerned about just dumping vegetable oil into my heating oil tank as I doubt it would mix. But if you try it, let us know how it works out! I heard a story that a fellow gear head once worked for Johnson and Johnson and occasionally ran his diesel car on baby oil... Matt ---------- Original Message ---------- From: eric@megageek.com To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Bio diesel question. Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:39:49 -0400 I guess my question is, will I hurt anything if I drain (filtered) used cooking oil into my heat oil tank? This is mostly for a 'clean' way to dispose of the oil, and if I save a few pennies (and don't hurt the burner) that's a bonus. So it is sounding like this is a possible way to go then, correct? Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson ejrussell@mebtel.net 05/13/2012 12:14 Please respond to ejrussell@mebtel.net To , cc Subject Re: [Shop-talk] Bio diesel question. BioDiesel is not simply burning used cooking oil - it is processed into a form usable in a conventional diesel engine. The process of converting used cooking oil into BioDiesel makes it cost more than conventional diesel. It is probably a Good Thing environmentally but not from a strictly economical viewpoint. I believe there are ways to convert a diesel engine to run on used cooking oil but that wasn't your question... I would assume that you could 'dispose' of a few gallons of used cooking oil by diluting it in a few hundred gallons of fuel oil. But it doesn't seem like that was your question either... What was your question...? Oh - saving some money. I doubt that a few gallons of used cooking oil in your home heating system is going to save any money unless it is very expensive to otherwise dispose of it. Eric Russell Mebane, NC Quoting eric@megageek.com: > I know lots of people burn used cooking oil in diesel vehicles. > > And since my oil heat is basically diesel fuel, my question is... > > Can I burn used cooking oil in my home heating oil tank? If so, what do I > need to do with first? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mbarre@juno.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 16:11:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5ED2D0B4A for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 16:11:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9052D0B13 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 14:44:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qabg27 with SMTP id g27so2893776qab.14 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:45:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=+yT/rxsGnIQTDo4bb4kLUwyEh+9OwZwadrOR/BTOk60=; b=oAIoM8bW1otz1VF4GyP+t7jrBooL9PjB7Lh5rZt3eWwJEGG39VRea19Hlku5CyZRwW /yZTd7oy7RvuTODbNtmErxf3TlLYQTlM+njNy72qqdAj6YEddTRCBuUs6rTcNQiW8RLH WXajAMxhQUdiIVcx6Md2MHkDqYhAtXCYkuEPgpQNzUU3dD0d5nJcFt5QHtNqkqYhthlL Lxnq1n1fWrW7nHl8RfIEvb6+0J0XGOAg28ARTfrEt/3gguH3f9OWVJS1Goz1t89MQz8m e+4wc/h/1g7kAHVLR4NOI/Zyjh7lcZyRr3p/IVhQRD/24ssxLt/qTc9qQL9n8rs2lsrF x3Bw== Received: by 10.229.137.11 with SMTP id u11mr2752757qct.55.1336941929601; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.5] ([24.180.147.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dl3sm35623422qab.9.2012.05.13.13.45.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 May 2012 13:45:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <20120513.144859.25033.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20120513.144859.25033.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) From: Paul Parkanzky Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 16:45:26 -0400 To: Matt Cc: "shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Bio diesel question. X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I used to work for a company that made baby oil and would occasionally run my diesel car (a '00 TDI Jetta) on "scrap." Baby oil is almost pure light mineral oil with a trace of perfume and/or a bit of vitamin or aloe. As a matter of fact, I we took a ~1500 mile drive for a vacation on nothing but baby oil that I'd saved up for the trip (Just to see if I could). No ill effects on the car. I sold it to a friend and it's still going strong at >300,000 miles. -Paul On May 13, 2012, at 6:48 PM, "Matt" wrote: > I heard a story that a > fellow gear head once worked for Johnson and Johnson and occasionally ran his > diesel car on baby oil... > Matt _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 16:43:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9010B2D0B6B for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 16:43:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907532D0A35 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 15:55:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9ZkZ1j0010FhH24A3ZwMS4; Sun, 13 May 2012 21:56:21 +0000 Received: from delld520 ([76.21.64.167]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9ZwL1j00R3cWj0U8UZwMKx; Sun, 13 May 2012 21:56:21 +0000 From: "Mark Miller" To: References: Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 15:02:19 -0700 Message-ID: <6FFE0CAA652C4BD48B120705D9A6B89E@delld520> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0xPJ8Ptt+EAHuQRme9xoKSm5u0vAAFo+gg In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Burning cooking oil in your furnace? X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: markmiller@threeboysfarm.com List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net <<< I know lots of people burn used cooking oil in diesel vehicles. And since my oil heat is basically diesel fuel, my question is... Can I burn used cooking oil in my home heating oil tank? If so, what do I need to do with first? >>> Look at greasecar.com for way more info but the short answer I would give is: not worth the effort. Folks who burn used oil in their cars typically have a second tank for the oil, as the car has to be run on standard diesel to get up to temperature so the veggie oil can be pre-heated. It also needs to be dewatered and filtered very well before it is used in the car. You're not just pulling up to a restaurant and filling the tank. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 17:23:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8222D0B35 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 17:23:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE322D0B3F for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 16:19:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120513222024.JWOI10966.mta11.charter.net@imp09> for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:20:24 -0400 Received: from wt09 ([209.225.8.59]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id 9aLQ1j00G1GRMdM05aLQgg; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:20:24 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=cMgGpCxuRLEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:17 a=_yT93T_B1AhQ46hY4FcA:9 a=EE_llg_joOdGrM-DfTMA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=-Uj07YvujtoIdH6h0f8A:9 a=S0DI1l7R6Ogm8qeJmmIA:7 a=zdRuEmwNkDemIoCQL0WYIA==:117 Received: from [75.134.19.20] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:20:24 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 18:20:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Message-ID: <71b1738b.1b307e.1374849ca5b.Webtop.49@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 49 X-Originating-IP: [75.134.19.20] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have half a dozen or more ant 'hills' in my back yard; a yard that is only about 75x100 feet at best. They are about a half inch and black. I may have seen a white spot on the back end of one of the colony's inhabitants. Are these carpenter ants? I don't get them in my house. How can I get rid of these damn things? I have taken "Seven" ant poison, mixed a few gallons, stuck a shovel into the middle of this one hill (more than twice over the years) and exposed the middle of the colony and dumped the contents of the bucket into the heart of the nest. This hill is still thriving years later after doing this a few times over the past few years. I know you have to kill the queen to kill the nest but what the heck can I do? thanks! tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 19:32:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D0D2D0B28 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 19:32:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E822D0B3E for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:05:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so4032475qcs.14 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 17:06:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:x-gm-message-state; bh=BkbK/MYO0FtSKgBJWlQe9/y51IEugW4U4vPbAl73MnU=; b=WsLvG8yyrfKnTdHj36IKbDs26FrKtnZqeMgHujNo34qfYEpge1WLCq87+lhyhviMMy 0OqTucMv5rB5/FQaLxOk3M2fpHt0lyrGQXTjhZPei2t3pxeFtJU8gNfqcfLVjNGDUW7G Qo0ICrwGv0LwqHFYONuHDdBePE38GOiuImR3CTnXuCTr9lWaIpbIrw46ajovJCPhlbgE NGBa7mNHS71uA36jjNGJXNZBZ/lWchX9TBfgQjVkQzgCjtuAGAYMuYqNxnHKfk/EiZqm yJ/qTR7aMmoKcvAehNUtoeBaJguRHsm6HyR8DXUvba+glRhY/oD1q8FPG3hIz3dbjTmK lyvA== Received: by 10.229.106.225 with SMTP id y33mr279178qco.57.1336953986031; Sun, 13 May 2012 17:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GeraldPC (d28-23-74-249.dim.wideopenwest.com. [23.28.249.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i7sm36472997qae.20.2012.05.13.17.06.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 May 2012 17:06:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gerald Brazil" To: "'Tim'" , References: <71b1738b.1b307e.1374849ca5b.Webtop.49@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <71b1738b.1b307e.1374849ca5b.Webtop.49@charter.net> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 20:06:40 -0400 Message-ID: <008301cd3165$70d270f0$527752d0$@cablespeed.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: AQH0acT558+BJxblT1NOGL23nxSKBZZ59vsQ Content-Language: en-us X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnDCnz2Hx2WR2N0kaqy8wo2MhNXGrfb1WRN3gmccZJaOOBh+qebMGDD7OvkeEwzRi3awMZV Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net What about a smoke bomb like you use for moles? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 19:32:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1481E2D0B4B for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 19:32:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF2B2D0AD0 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:12:46 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=BZdrug8W7AYRAOUzHS6pGvlGGybL+OVL9O0111vYfHGXWAB5ZkPfrwU2TSmk1bIm; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.129.26.175] (helo=[192.168.1.68]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1STiuh-0004ec-Cf; Sun, 13 May 2012 20:13:23 -0400 Message-ID: <4FB04DF2.2070302@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 17:12:34 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim References: <71b1738b.1b307e.1374849ca5b.Webtop.49@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <71b1738b.1b307e.1374849ca5b.Webtop.49@charter.net> X-ELNK-Trace: f30ccafafe09714d4d2b10475b571120d3e50a70a5c56c0fcc2a4a9ac9bcad7732f4699cb62c9ba5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.129.26.175 Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tim - I have had best luck with ant baits. Which ones depend on the specific ants, so you may have to try several. The ants come out and get the poison on them then take it back to the nest. It takes a few days to a week to work, but it eventually get there when you find the right one. Set the bait right next to one of their paths. I like the clear baits so you can see it gets ants and see when it is empty. If a bait empties and you still have ants, add another bait. The ants at my previous house liked the Zep or Enforcer baits that had a peanut butter like substance in the middle. The ants I had at my current house liked the Hot Shot Liquid from Home Depot, Store SKU # 959786. The nice thing about the clear containers is that you can see they are working. If you have them in the house around where small kids go, use Windex. It kills quick and keeps them away for a few days. Brian On 5/13/2012 3:20 PM, Tim wrote: > I have half a dozen or more ant 'hills' in my back yard; a yard that is > only about 75x100 feet at best. They are about a half inch and black. I > may have seen a white spot on the back end of one of the colony's > inhabitants. Are these carpenter ants? I don't get them in my house. > > How can I get rid of these damn things? I have taken "Seven" ant poison, > mixed a few gallons, stuck a shovel into the middle of this one hill > (more than twice over the years) and exposed the middle of the colony > and dumped the contents of the bucket into the heart of the nest. This > hill is still thriving years later after doing this a few times over the > past few years. > > I know you have to kill the queen to kill the nest but what the heck can > I do? > > thanks! > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 19:33:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2B02D0B6C for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 19:33:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB99B2D0AD0 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:13:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by dakp5 with SMTP id p5so7532566dak.14 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 17:14:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=u9pO8vbx0EgXfKJBv12QOBHdMqu9Q1DAg4DasV07qcA=; b=hSXMZVYQvDDtsBXfMtYRU5KvKjmt5WIsT3f9rvI14GdmafM2K5ZVSYIl9IGlUOXSFJ fA2mpM79n2LtjIokaamPPauygg0OYjanw3Q4QbkWJpNV5cRSJhVly4UCE9hRxchOm9kM Y6t9cWcUecFLK6PFl0pBY3Hv9JX+QdIX3IHth8ilm1BK8VEmfBm6B1nOmgJSPMfwT2g8 hD8RjSN1H7DBOkW9+3/YpKJyqjBhwxjLZYQrJ4xFeaNiKVBxpl65fJOPFFCAuc+9YDz7 9Ne5d5w9J/hCIwRiNLp7feIFBOfwRPmuOpVnRva60DMoWz2FUAmaJ7GxmcFWcfI1u+oB GOaA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.241.161 with SMTP id wj1mr7888201pbc.112.1336954479179; Sun, 13 May 2012 17:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.220.41 with HTTP; Sun, 13 May 2012 17:14:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <71b1738b.1b307e.1374849ca5b.Webtop.49@charter.net> References: <71b1738b.1b307e.1374849ca5b.Webtop.49@charter.net> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 19:14:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Tim X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net A fella on another forum once posted: *"Take your acceytlene welding torch and adjust the flame for a good medium neutral flame and mark the valve positions. * *Extinguish the flame and turn on the gases to the proper marks and stick the tip down the ant hole and let it flow several minutes . . . arrange the hoses so you can light the torch and drag it back over the ant hole to ignite the gas you've injected. Stand 'way back. Donno if it really kills queen, larvae and everything but it sure is fun!"* ** *Remember that it was SOME OTHER GUY who made the suggestion.* ** *Tony* ** ** _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 20:31:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7D12D0AF8 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 20:31:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE9B2D0B28 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:50:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E95E2E01E for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FB0572D.6000104@bradakis.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 18:51:57 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <71b1738b.1b307e.1374849ca5b.Webtop.49@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <71b1738b.1b307e.1374849ca5b.Webtop.49@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'll say that folks don't need to flag postings that are not about cars as off topic. We cover a LOT of ground on this list. The combined knowledge of the subscribers is pretty impressive. I may even be posting about my old Craftsman electric lawn mower soon, it kissed the turf today. Sorry I can't help with the ants, though. I can help with Team.Net, updated http://www.team.net/status.html mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 21:08:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DB32D0BBF for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 21:08:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1CF2D0AEC for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 20:02:54 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=hjdzbLDje+UCr4SPOEewkpQz4fayi43OGVoHzLb9p1zSRxYktTxhwgbHyJGu0SKZ; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.129.31.162] (helo=[192.168.1.68]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1STkd7-000252-LJ; Sun, 13 May 2012 22:03:21 -0400 Message-ID: <4FB067B9.2000502@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 19:02:33 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" References: <71b1738b.1b307e.1374849ca5b.Webtop.49@charter.net> In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: f30ccafafe09714d4d2b10475b571120d3e50a70a5c56c0f704c07ac5176454fc839d1b4ccd7d4ce350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.129.31.162 Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants - blowing up yard X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net For those so inclined to blow up their yard, see http://www.garden-counselor-lawn-care.com/gopher-blaster.html If I didn't live is a high fire danger area and have the septic tank in the middle of the infestation, I'd really be tempted. Brian On 5/13/2012 5:14 PM, Elton E. (Tony) Clark wrote: > A fella on another forum once posted: > > *"Take your acceytlene welding torch and adjust the flame for a good medium > neutral flame and mark the valve positions. * > *Extinguish the flame and turn on the gases to the proper marks and stick > the tip down the ant hole and let it flow several minutes . . . arrange the > hoses so you can light the torch and drag it back over the ant hole to > ignite the gas you've injected. Stand 'way back. Donno if it really kills > queen, larvae and everything but it sure is fun!"* > ** > *Remember that it was SOME OTHER GUY who made the suggestion.* > ** > *Tony* > ** > ** > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 21:11:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6D42D0BF6 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 21:11:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8215E2D0A9F for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 20:17:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=cJKPh2bH05MA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=74By0vOGAAAA:20 a=D_eYqLISJyM1TXGc1a0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=DrwxmQ_kyIUA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 69/F0-16302-07B60BF4; Mon, 14 May 2012 02:18:25 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: References: <71b1738b.1b307e.1374849ca5b.Webtop.49@charter.net> <4FB04DF2.2070302@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 19:18:24 -0700 Message-ID: <0a5801cd3177$d7cf03b0$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0xcZtK8bHl1LxzSFGDOKZI4iauVwABXBdg In-Reply-To: <4FB04DF2.2070302@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Tim - I have had best luck with ant baits. Ditto. > The ants at my previous house liked the Zep or Enforcer baits Mine too. They won't touch anything else. None of the local stores carry them, but Amazon does http://goo.gl/nd8su As noted, the secret is that it doesn't kill them right away. That means they carry it back to the nest and feed the queen. By the time it starts to work, she has already ingested a lethal dose. But I only put down baits indoors or next to the house. I don't mind if they stay in the yard, just don't want them inside the house. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 21:55:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2295D2D0BB5 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 21:55:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC0F2D09FB for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 20:47:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-197-149.morrisbb.com [173.246.197.149] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4E2m73g046103; Sun, 13 May 2012 22:48:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Message-ID: <4FB07262.1050209@xxiii.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 22:48:02 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net, tputland@charter.net References: <71b1738b.1b307e.1374849ca5b.Webtop.49@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <71b1738b.1b307e.1374849ca5b.Webtop.49@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/13/2012 6:20 PM, Tim wrote: > I have half a dozen or more ant 'hills' in my back yard; a yard that is > only about 75x100 feet at best. They are about a half inch and black. I > may have seen a white spot on the back end of one of the colony's If they're that bad, call an exterminator. There are probably a lot more than what you can see! When I lived in Ohio, the bugs (like summer mosquitoes) were just annoying. 11 years now in North Caroline on heavily wooded land, they're BAD if you don't put down some heavy duty stuff to whack them! The exterminators around here typically want you to sign up for an annual contract or plan for four applications a year. I pay $250/annual for it. Most common is an insecticide "Talstar" they is sprayed up the exterior foundation and walls, and 10 or so feet out into the yard. You can buy and apply it yourself, unlike some more heavily regulated chemicals. The local Southern States Store has it for $35/qt or you can order from Amazon. But as pricey as it is, I'm willing to pay to let someone else handle the toxic stuff! It's been highly effective at keeping spiders, ants, gnats, etc out of the house and substantially reducing them outside. -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 05:29:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A202D0BAD for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 05:29:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086112D0AEF for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 04:40:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120514104116.JYCU10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 06:41:16 -0400 Received: from wt05 ([209.225.8.45]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id 9mhD1j00P0yHwtd05mhDe2; Mon, 14 May 2012 06:41:13 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=cJKPh2bH05MA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=TrvuBofQ329lUX3O0KQA:9 a=UtANJ0dd_xt_Dz2SFzcA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=flXXOfca8ngA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Q94xJtFWm3wA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=GGzHoPwCPFpWWN2R:21 a=CiTmRdhQLrJa2c9a:21 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 06:41:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 06:41:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Message-ID: <6df4de24.1bb4a0.1374af008dc.Webtop.45@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 45 X-Originating-IP: [165.189.65.23] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="no" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If I got flagged for OT, then I appologize. BUT, in my defense, I did say "OT" in the subject line, AND, the more time I spend on ant remediation, the less time I have to spend in my SHOP working on my Datsuns. tim On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I'll say that folks don't need to flag postings that are not about > cars > as off topic. We cover a LOT of ground on this list. The combined > knowledge of the subscribers is pretty impressive. I may even be > posting about my old Craftsman electric lawn mower soon, it kissed > the turf today. > > Sorry I can't help with the ants, though. I can help with Team.Net, > updated > > http://www.team.net/status.html > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 11:44:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D59F2D0BC7 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:44:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50072D0986 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:32:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120514163321.VXAA12025.mta21.charter.net@imp10> for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:33:21 -0400 Received: from wt08 ([209.225.8.58]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id 9sZM1j00A1F7hH505sZM6C; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:33:21 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=cJKPh2bH05MA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=QcdyQx71qiEjAFPYEfIA:9 a=AssKzKNT2D_2ccwDjZMA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=flXXOfca8ngA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Q94xJtFWm3wA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=1tjqaQL0AM0UPNcVwqj5HA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:33:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 12:33:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 48 X-Originating-IP: [165.189.65.23] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="no" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Guess I may have misunderstood mark's post. I assumed he was getting complaints, off list, about OT posts. Back to my issue.... I have tried baits. The peanut butter based one I used was drawing bugs of all sorts including one beatle that got it's head stuck in the trap and there it died. I will look for the other types/brands suggested. Cream of wheat? OK, I have enough hills to deal with, I will test this method on one of them. As for the torch suggestion, I have one hill that is thriving around and under my fire pit so not sure how effective fire would be. But, I will say this, IF I resort to this method, it won't be with a torch, I would pour gas and then be able to stand back and light a "fuse". Hell, I have enough hills, I will gas one as well. I was told boiling water works. Any one ever heard of this method? I am also tempter to dig one out, into my wheel barrow, until I find the heart of the nest and then the queen. I could then use the torch to kill the little bastards as they swarm out of the piles in the wheel barrow.....bwaahahaahahaahahaah fire fire! Thanks everyone! tim On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I'll say that folks don't need to flag postings that are not about > cars > as off topic. We cover a LOT of ground on this list. The combined > knowledge of the subscribers is pretty impressive. I may even be > posting about my old Craftsman electric lawn mower soon, it kissed > the turf today. > > Sorry I can't help with the ants, though. I can help with Team.Net, > updated > > http://www.team.net/status.html > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 13:38:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83B12D0851 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 13:38:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D712D0949 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:51:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so9236244pbb.14 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:51:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nEc0Mes1E5MQ/NBywMQjlgrDrhi+lzIpEew152bqxGQ=; b=NXSC/aJbKIkrZYE5TmVpoCBkepvwFRWIybfGoBBEaw1YJTXfWlTUK4ibXehcJoJvyy XwW3h+UkdRnRMwqnxJnwZEAwF7ebK02i4jIq2tNHfKglUq01Kb9TYwDXapDr1SBvBJlP aCJ/H7y9ymY8wKEbwONJ4NA/R6xbWj0sgkSOYbZAe7sespc0j2KFvnqWzfaZVY/3pTOe WvAmTDZcgMTt70bxKO1y+VNGFevH5ehu/piktCzzZsC46oWnklqjU5rEgW/ULH+Xehb4 wpKS8qoSFcbakJ7RF8+522HUXxOVLRF0tBmkzQ8/l9l+21ohr+Fwzvhfm6CjQIDKV2vb Mpvw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.100.226 with SMTP id fb2mr3265856igb.31.1337017906012; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.28.194 with HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:51:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 10:51:45 -0700 Message-ID: From: Shannah Miller To: Tim Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net BBQ at Tim's house! OK, I'll come clean: I suggested the Cream of Wheat because it has actually worked for me. I have no idea what the mechanism is, but pouring a box of dry Cream of Wheat on an anthill was amazingly effective. I did one application, and it reduced the number of ants by about 90%. I can only imagine what more than one application would do. Shannah On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Tim wrote: > Guess I may have misunderstood mark's post. I assumed he was getting > complaints, off list, about OT posts. > > Back to my issue.... > > I have tried baits. The peanut butter based one I used was drawing bugs of > all sorts including one beatle that got it's head stuck in the trap and > there it died. I will look for the other types/brands suggested. > > Cream of wheat? OK, I have enough hills to deal with, I will test this > method on one of them. > > As for the torch suggestion, I have one hill that is thriving around and > under my fire pit so not sure how effective fire would be. But, I will say > this, IF I resort to this method, it won't be with a torch, I would pour gas > and then be able to stand back and light a "fuse". Hell, I have enough > hills, I will gas one as well. > > I was told boiling water works. Any one ever heard of this method? > > I am also tempter to dig one out, into my wheel barrow, until I find the > heart of the nest and then the queen. I could then use the torch to kill the > little bastards as they swarm out of the piles in the wheel > barrow.....bwaahahaahahaahahaah fire fire! > > Thanks everyone! > > tim > > > On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > >> I'll say that folks don't need to flag postings that are not about cars >> as off topic. We cover a LOT of ground on this list. The combined >> knowledge of the subscribers is pretty impressive. I may even be >> posting about my old Craftsman electric lawn mower soon, it kissed >> the turf today. >> >> Sorry I can't help with the ants, though. I can help with Team.Net, >> updated >> >> http://www.team.net/status.html >> >> >> mjb. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shannahquilts@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 13:43:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415232D0A53 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 13:43:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC282D0AB5 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:02:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120514180252.ZJJX24708.mta31.charter.net@imp09> for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:02:52 -0400 Received: from wt08 ([209.225.8.58]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id 9u2s1j00A1F7hH505u2seH; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:02:52 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=cJKPh2bH05MA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=5PyybQWGNIzPj0M1FGYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=1tjqaQL0AM0UPNcVwqj5HA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:02:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 14:02:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Message-ID: <105376d4.12dc27.1374c845e8d.Webtop.48@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 48 X-Originating-IP: [165.189.65.23] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="no" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I wonder if the CofW works by expanding in their stomach when the eat it and then "explodes" them? Kind of like when you feed an alka selzer to a sea gull...... I am pretty sure someone once suggested non-instant grits to me. Probably works on the same "principle". On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Shannah Miller wrote: > BBQ at Tim's house! > > OK, I'll come clean: I suggested the Cream of Wheat because it has > actually worked for me. I have no idea what the mechanism is, but > pouring a box of dry Cream of Wheat on an anthill was amazingly > effective. I did one application, and it reduced the number of ants > by > about 90%. I can only imagine what more than one application would > do. > > Shannah _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 13:43:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24EB32D0A5C for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 13:43:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E05C02D0AB5 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:22:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm29.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 18:23:19 -0000 Received: from [68.142.194.244] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 18:23:19 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.123] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 18:23:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 18:23:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 590760.80580.bm@omp1028.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 47854 invoked from network); 14 May 2012 18:23:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ameritech.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=Y0Il+/jxaRc9cZfz09Ujw1jHZtp4Cz8PrjcpudJM9XDqR/k6F5jgMky2vC25EAtWAFmfBt6u6mUVoOk+xhVshet1AJah6bUHLxAkErU4HOG1qYb4imX5D1O8giWLhmc3UfO3zVm5ontOSYLJMCiWxdduz6G4i5fOPlrMRPu2Qs0= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ameritech.net; s=s1024; t=1337019799; bh=vhvol+lxzBEdj1pEpoz3opggBc3H3Q5KSJsFkrt2IWw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=MBS3NpmetlgaRwWtNzPyGxiKX2Ay+a98UrfrLa+apEv4slSHVCRJ2HxnJBqAJqHI7+j35/bm8QmgJc62nvc9YO6mP2blFV+mL4LwTQmwkLnqLsA5BdByPGLty9dC2GH+ga0rSfTeZGDXEV5YkSd3Dv+HJlECfxquonh5cks38WM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ttlutqQVM1mFaVp711HZrwJyM.EJe4IuT4rvXnkPPCIVAZA TreQ.4JP19KeHrFpOM5imLXpDjSjnaBu9eLUgDl08DUFGoLTr4PItZb6oqN3 .YXL1J14UatXtNA2p2_GytwC9E6uTitOh1ZXKypfcVGUnCALWBSWaTBb7_Hc N_szXYshlloI7tqN2WAv25j5EAoHAdiHKDNov6cxKdbGlnybJ4LDMCG2cHWE DHiZMWdf549S39v2l3AUQZDRvuzgFRDmVFQRGm7UaqSWMabNhICKaIAD_qKN CPxRA8Vcptozw.0FqeHPNa.wuT9eEoTc3X3TzhXmV7530SicKJxlGRvL2.SX zQ9max_Fl69oWpsTWTeKGH9M_fd.5_bBPJVfWBXBcgH1MzpVKF7CjgKfK_Ie CDEUIbFfV1CXTlS6l4wcpEeM4lpVCwp5TWcQ13gueDH_N X-Yahoo-SMTP: eqwsT4aswBBxVpQFYj2J9q9jdeg1Bew59RIy4rR4irEw Received: from Karl (kvacek@75.3.149.95 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2012 11:23:18 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: "'Tim'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 13:22:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000601cd31fe$94d25940$be770bc0$@ameritech.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJrdzAM7to3m82OcB1CzypaoVtUspWNDZsg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: KVacek@Ameritech.net List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Might be an old wives' tale, but it seems to work for us. Our area is incredibly sandy - 18+ inches of black top soil on at least 12 feet of sand, and the ants love it - they come into the house every few months through floor slab cracks in hidden areas. We put corn meal out and they do indeed disappear in a few days. The story is that ants eat corn meal but can't digest it, and eventually die from lack of nutrition. Seems to work for us, though it's not all that fast and mainly kills the ones who eat it - don't know how much they carry back to the nest before they die. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 15:43:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8BC92D091B for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:43:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98232D08A4 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 13:49:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.130] ([::ffff:10.1.2.130]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with esmtp; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:50:25 -0700 id 000000000049070B.000000004FB16201.00001AFE Message-ID: <4FB16200.6070303@milleredp.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 12:50:24 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <105376d4.12dc27.1374c845e8d.Webtop.48@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <105376d4.12dc27.1374c845e8d.Webtop.48@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/14/2012 11:02 AM, Tim wrote: > feed an alka selzer to a sea gull...... Where was THAT piece of information when I was in 6th grade? John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 19:09:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361742D0777 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 19:09:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317842D08D7 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 17:33:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9mvG1j0051ei1Bg57za06b; Mon, 14 May 2012 23:34:00 +0000 Received: from stargate ([67.167.187.93]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9za01j00Q21LTYK3kza0M9; Mon, 14 May 2012 23:34:00 +0000 Message-ID: From: "gordies garage" To: "Tim" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 19:34:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: gordies garage List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have used Maxforce ant gel before with good success. Just recently, I had several rather large anthills in the front yard. I happened to have some leftover carpenter ant gel in a syringe that is injected through drywall next to studs. I simply dripped some of the gel where they couldn't miss it. A week later, all the ant hills are gone, at least for now. I know they will be back, but even my stale, 2 yr old gel took out a couple of very large colonies. Available many places including here...http://www.pestproductsonline.com/products/Maxforce_Ant_Killer_Bait_Gel_4_30_gm_tubes-81-0.html HTH Gordie -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 12:33 PM To: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE > Guess I may have misunderstood mark's post. I assumed he was getting > complaints, off list, about OT posts. > > Back to my issue.... > > I have tried baits. The peanut butter based one I used was drawing bugs of > all sorts including one beatle that got it's head stuck in the trap and > there it died. I will look for the other types/brands suggested. > > Cream of wheat? OK, I have enough hills to deal with, I will test this > method on one of them. > > As for the torch suggestion, I have one hill that is thriving around and > under my fire pit so not sure how effective fire would be. But, I will say > this, IF I resort to this method, it won't be with a torch, I would pour > gas and then be able to stand back and light a "fuse". Hell, I have enough > hills, I will gas one as well. > > I was told boiling water works. Any one ever heard of this method? > > I am also tempter to dig one out, into my wheel barrow, until I find the > heart of the nest and then the queen. I could then use the torch to kill > the little bastards as they swarm out of the piles in the wheel > barrow.....bwaahahaahahaahahaah fire fire! > > Thanks everyone! > tim > > > On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > >> I'll say that folks don't need to flag postings that are not about cars >> as off topic. We cover a LOT of ground on this list. The combined >> knowledge of the subscribers is pretty impressive. I may even be >> posting about my old Craftsman electric lawn mower soon, it kissed >> the turf today. >> >> Sorry I can't help with the ants, though. I can help with Team.Net, >> updated >> >> http://www.team.net/status.html >> >> >> mjb. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mg_garage@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 21:28:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA512D08B6 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:28:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85EB2D08AB for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 19:12:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so5134783qcs.14 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 18:13:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=hfyfIQfgwHjajKY64Z+CwSd321L5mPyv42lI8mPhhAQ=; b=E8Gm2fvWaPd31dYwJ5R9gg8baf4bBq5OVL8QFP5pT+Hi2sNAUAn9Elbu+Wl9EjjOw1 h7w22Ur09DRWpO/41wTRXCJk3I6FG+su1ztgcAM7R2XT4qH4LD1w8XhGcwRiifS3ziNo S3wAlnHExl2ykDfv+XI9UDgmSVx6xuSP0Q8f42V3Q/iG5mCVgslr3L0StM5kfhAnO4io MSVf0neXTTJwRsgwj/bRVFz3+sEiGkOqalrGukH7Ye1u5vNOjGXqpJz5u3DfsdUV+EdY zmXEKJ2izpNSAsU8kAKXPJ6VFFjk+6yBIlhMeDO+1GAGsivD/1GM1bitztRCW47FQEKD T9Kg== Received: by 10.224.176.148 with SMTP id be20mr30521qab.64.1337044411684; Mon, 14 May 2012 18:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.5] ([24.180.147.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dl3sm142006qab.9.2012.05.14.18.13.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 May 2012 18:13:30 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) From: Paul Parkanzky Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 21:13:30 -0400 To: gordies garage Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm a big believer in Terro ant killer. Anytime we have ants I put a couple of caps full out and they're all gone in a few days. -Paul On May 14, 2012, at 7:34 PM, "gordies garage" wrote: > I have used Maxforce ant gel before with good success. Just recently, I had several rather large anthills in the front yard. I happened to have some leftover carpenter ant gel in a syringe that is injected through drywall next to studs. I simply dripped some of the gel where they couldn't miss it. A week later, all the ant hills are gone, at least for now. I know they will be back, but even my stale, 2 yr old gel took out a couple of very large colonies. > Available many places including here...http://www.pestproductsonline.com/products/Maxforce_Ant_Killer_Bait_Ge l_4_30_gm_tubes-81-0.html > > HTH > > Gordie > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Tim" > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 12:33 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE > >> Guess I may have misunderstood mark's post. I assumed he was getting complaints, off list, about OT posts. >> >> Back to my issue.... >> >> I have tried baits. The peanut butter based one I used was drawing bugs of all sorts including one beatle that got it's head stuck in the trap and there it died. I will look for the other types/brands suggested. >> >> Cream of wheat? OK, I have enough hills to deal with, I will test this method on one of them. >> >> As for the torch suggestion, I have one hill that is thriving around and under my fire pit so not sure how effective fire would be. But, I will say this, IF I resort to this method, it won't be with a torch, I would pour gas and then be able to stand back and light a "fuse". Hell, I have enough hills, I will gas one as well. >> >> I was told boiling water works. Any one ever heard of this method? >> >> I am also tempter to dig one out, into my wheel barrow, until I find the heart of the nest and then the queen. I could then use the torch to kill the little bastards as they swarm out of the piles in the wheel barrow.....bwaahahaahahaahahaah fire fire! >> >> Thanks everyone! >> tim >> >> >> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> >>> I'll say that folks don't need to flag postings that are not about cars >>> as off topic. We cover a LOT of ground on this list. The combined >>> knowledge of the subscribers is pretty impressive. I may even be >>> posting about my old Craftsman electric lawn mower soon, it kissed >>> the turf today. >>> >>> Sorry I can't help with the ants, though. I can help with Team.Net, >>> updated >>> >>> http://www.team.net/status.html >>> >>> >>> mjb. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mg_garage@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 21:29:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECF22D0954 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:29:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.131]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC562D08AB for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 20:00:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: ejrussell.mebtel.net Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-2-208.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.2.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4F20b2R004463 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 02:00:38 GMT Message-ID: <8CF72072EFFF479F88158AA8656832BF@EricJRussellPC> From: "Eric J Russell" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 21:51:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=NdjWUkj00YEKsUD1t3IoY6fno8jVvOJKedBQD8ci7Ag= c=1 sm=1 a=T1BQI3NFj6EA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:17 a=30k9pwPpAAAA:20 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=cpu-E9WrCdrAGvviPsYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=voZrjb6_8qcA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:117 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT help with ants PLEASE X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Cement? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLHAdwxLD-I Eric Russell Mebane, NC http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 23:58:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB09D2D08AF for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 23:58:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30A62D0802 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:33:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737302E025 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:41:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FB1CECE.6080907@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 21:34:38 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <6df4de24.1bb4a0.1374af008dc.Webtop.45@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <6df4de24.1bb4a0.1374af008dc.Webtop.45@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT hep with ants PLEASE X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tim wrote: > If I got flagged for OT, then I appologize. What I meant was you did NOT have to say it was off topic - this is the kind of stuff we like to talk about. We are here to solve problems, especially ones that require buying new tools or hazardous materials! mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 22:09:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B222D0715 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:09:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F02382D0756 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 19:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 11980 invoked by uid 3198); 17 May 2012 01:13:08 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 May 2012 01:13:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 21:13:08 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman X-X-Sender: hillman@itonami.pair.com To: Shop Talk List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Shop-talk] Locking Hinge? X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a shop project ( <-content ) I want to build, but I need a pair of hinges for it. It seems like I should be able to find something similar and repurpose it, since my requirements are not overly-specific, but I can't. I may not be looking in the right places. I need to join two elements, let's say 1" square steel tubes, although that's negotiable, end-to-end, like the bones of a human arm ( pretending the radius and ulna are one bone, for the moment ). The key is, when extended, I need it to lock automatically ( manual release is fine ). I think I could build it, if necessary, but first, can I buy something like this? Doesn't need to be massively strong, say, 200 pounds load would be very safe. 90* bend would be nice, but anything more than 45* could probably be made to work. McMaster and other typical sources don't seem to have anything, but again, I might be missing it. Thanks for any brain storms you might have. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 01:42:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CEE12D073F for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 01:42:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Pokie2.AD.HartBrothers.Com (unknown [50.46.86.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C65F2D0710 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 21:40:39 -0700 Message-ID: <7382386CFA10D842A4268AD3142382AFDF2619@Pokie2.ad.hartbrothers.com> In-Reply-To: Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] Locking Hinge? Thread-Index: Ac0z4wCyGTTYGlyLRH6Ge/fX/7idSgAA3fCQ References: From: "Lee Hart" To: "David Hillman" , "Shop Talk List" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Locking Hinge? X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net David Hillman: > I have a shop project ( <-content ) I want to build, but I need a pair of hinges for it. > It seems like I should be able to find something similar and repurpose it, since my > requirements are not overly-specific, but I can't. I may not be looking in the right places. > I need to join two elements, let's say 1" square steel tubes, although that's negotiable, > end-to-end, like the bones of a human arm ( pretending the radius and ulna are one > bone, for the moment ). The key is, when extended, I need it to lock automatically > ( manual release is fine ). I think I could build it, if necessary, but first, can I buy > something like this? Something like the locking hinges in a folding ladder? Depending on the value of your time it may make sense to buy one (perhaps used on a Craigslist or ebay) and cut it up. Lee _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 03:42:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853DC2D0747 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 03:42:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EC26D2D0760 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 00:27:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 47087 invoked by uid 3198); 17 May 2012 06:27:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 May 2012 06:27:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 02:27:51 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman X-X-Sender: hillman@itonami.pair.com To: Lee Hart In-Reply-To: <7382386CFA10D842A4268AD3142382AFDF2619@Pokie2.ad.hartbrothers.com> Message-ID: References: <7382386CFA10D842A4268AD3142382AFDF2619@Pokie2.ad.hartbrothers.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Locking Hinge? X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, 16 May 2012, Lee Hart wrote: > Something like the locking hinges in a folding ladder? > > > > Depending on the value of your time it may make sense to buy > one (perhaps used on a Craigslist or ebay) and cut it up. You know, that might work. And I have one of those ladders, already, although I do use it from time to time. Thanks. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 11:48:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F222D04B3 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:48:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFFE2D0702 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 08:46:21 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=A9h4zGakVtkCnYFXMPj4lRnZWBIBuz5g2EmuuhgG4D8+Ir7h5PocIQlYD/r7RHqB; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.129.26.207] (helo=[192.168.1.68]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SV1yZ-0002hh-1U; Thu, 17 May 2012 10:46:47 -0400 Message-ID: <4FB50F21.6050408@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 07:45:53 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Hillman References: In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: f30ccafafe09714d4d2b10475b571120552cd1767e6640c8df168554c7866d852843067b43014b49350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.129.26.207 Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Locking Hinge? X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net David - If you want it to just stop at the open 180 degree level, you could use a piece of bar stock on one side and angle iron on the other. Round the end of the bar stock and have the pivot at the end. Put the pivot a couple inches back on the angle iron. When flat, the bar will hit the edge of the angle and stop. You could also do this with nested square tubes. Just cut off one side from the larger one a few inches back. You could make it lock by adding a sleeve with a spring that slides over the joint. Brian On 5/16/2012 6:13 PM, David Hillman wrote: > I have a shop project ( <-content ) I want to build, but I need a pair > of hinges for it. It seems like I should be able to find something > similar and repurpose it, since my requirements are not > overly-specific, but I can't. I may not be looking in the right places. > > I need to join two elements, let's say 1" square steel tubes, although > that's negotiable, end-to-end, like the bones of a human arm ( > pretending the radius and ulna are one bone, for the moment ). The key > is, when extended, I need it to lock automatically ( manual release is > fine ). I think I could build it, if necessary, but first, can I buy > something like this? Doesn't need to be massively strong, say, 200 > pounds load would be very safe. 90* bend would be nice, but anything > more than 45* could probably be made to work. > > McMaster and other typical sources don't seem to have anything, but > again, I might be missing it. > > Thanks for any brain storms you might have. > > -- > David Hillman > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 11:51:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFC12D0763 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:51:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm39-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B56DB2D06CA for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:32:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm39.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 15:33:22 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.221] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 15:33:22 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.105] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 15:33:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 15:33:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 303821.5041.bm@omp1010.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 89114 invoked from network); 17 May 2012 15:33:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ameritech.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=spFsMwveouxqz0LvjLPeTZRoR7u8XOM932Ig3MzhxWm0zp4QaeQKRuDx8QPh78vh2uIZLShLO2ppzBfxsVrb4rHaoS7pAbmIBo9Mm4KKAVTm2nzMqq5GrY4dFc1Ox7tpco2eXbd//x4xntcVlUxdAcAjQTXwS5/5w6tNm2bPCFM= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ameritech.net; s=s1024; t=1337268802; bh=19OQRrIIz/YO+wK6OS/RE+5G4oe55M928jUGtUgzE7I=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=M1ehghddLidxJFaJEufVMAH95qk5TdfbABdJ6APSwAqa2vkqj6lpmgCSwJnn9AUV/YNPRnetf1FknMY0UMzSeziP8KbWXeJ0NHhbiYCOxTTKOZs5Hz2EZNBXX87PZL+bMn4M1EWI35XLzY6ndN3ZQidArWBcmGshZMHqy8yra/c= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 4Xz_YEIVM1mIBeyeukpMcdOvW71V54bw6yLhgU_yJx1Zb8E 2ZYh3HaJkQVMtW8MBoC2v2dfyht69M2mNISevHkioJStmmdqpiC9q6uX2Wqg qnRFHTldd.GehibO_oyoQmtULcNU3y0tWZO8t7_8CJ3BF9rPUa8efnzaaNRa JGazSqjpcnBTYJA5d.Ok1uyMjmCCzG9hvClKuNFaqK2f1YSBKFbkhNMlgs9S zkp6wBxV0wZLNcAdIgTdMLFxEwnF4Qw1s2LFR2lmzmczccJxt7iEEVRvYiDa q12k_pV.yDN2LBpt6xkj1Y8wOVS5B2J5gyealP7NZ6_kEDBDLnbvtNf2p_Bl fROfsLHeLwZPMCrv0htNaXW_L4Njs.Yh60TAuwQtnSuiGaVMm_3uFa4MAFbg wjX6jbGEbF69HHK7I00tBuk17TBJhtPYDXVMh2fWgZQaJpDVtJ5vhXOZN6fS XtGg- X-Yahoo-SMTP: eqwsT4aswBBxVpQFYj2J9q9jdeg1Bew59RIy4rR4irEw Received: from Karl (kvacek@75.3.149.95 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2012 08:33:21 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:33:19 -0500 Message-ID: <001701cd3442$63152b30$293f8190$@ameritech.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac00QZlN2Lfs/bLiSsq9923S2gxwiA== Content-Language: en-us X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Shop-talk] OT - California destinations X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: KVacek@Ameritech.net List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Since so many list members live in California, this seems like a good group to ask. My wife and I are taking our first "real" vacation in 38 years of marriage. We're flying to San Diego and driving to San Francisco, trying to see everything we can in between. Planning on taking the coast highway as much as possible or advisable. Shop content - we're renting a Mustang convertible and that reminds me that I need to change the oil in mine ;-) Any good automotive, aircraft, or generally interesting things that we should include? Events that would interest shop and car and airplane fans between June 5 and 16? Thanks for your indulgence! Please reply off-list Karl _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 16:20:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D492D06F7 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:20:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B4F2D06DC for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 12:41:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B66y1j0011ZMdJ4AE6hweM; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:41:56 +0000 Received: from sz0119.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.181]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B6hw1j00T3uShJ48c6hwWf; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:41:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:41:56 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: KVacek@Ameritech.net Message-ID: <1495081344.566934.1337280116177.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <001701cd3442$63152b30$293f8190$@ameritech.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [156.99.75.2] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT - California destinations X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hearst Castle, on the Pacific Coast Highway in San Simeon, just a ways north of San Luis Obispo. Have a burger made from cattle raised right there on the property. Take the bus ride up the mountain to "The Ranch". http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/3967578507/in/set-72157622574405912/ through http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/3968362526/in/set-72157622574405912 If you go further north than San Francisco, the Chandelier Tree in Leggett is a coast redwood you can drive your car through. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/3955216888/in/set-72157622574405912 Japanese Garden in San Francisco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/3958570814/in/set-72157622574405912 Blackhawk car collection in Danville, in the East Bay area. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/3961190563/in/set-72157622574405912 The Sandbar & Grill, on the Monterey Municipal dock. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/3999263543/in/set-72157622574405912/ Seven Gable Bed & Breakfast in Pacific Grove (Monterey) Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karl Vacek" > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:33:19 AM > Subject: [Shop-talk] OT - California destinations > Since so many list members live in California, this seems like a good > group > to ask. > > > > My wife and I are taking our first "real" vacation in 38 years of > marriage. > We're flying to San Diego and driving to San Francisco, trying to see > everything we can in between. Planning on taking the coast highway as > much > as possible or advisable. Shop content - we're renting a Mustang > convertible and that reminds me that I need to change the oil in mine > ;-) > > > > Any good automotive, aircraft, or generally interesting things that we > should include? Events that would interest shop and car and airplane > fans > between June 5 and 16? > > > > Thanks for your indulgence! Please reply off-list > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pethier@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 16:22:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E49B2D0721 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:22:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5777B2D06D7 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 13:11:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lahi5 with SMTP id i5so2603922lah.14 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 12:12:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=A5alNoiNteL6gOtqMKN0bqMk1GpbfKNKcWX9WaL9Od4=; b=Z+O+skEhoO7xrLRkm7SuBWUelSAFbRLmHI5bkxs1u3eZdN0wLwdU0LnATJkmshxieA 2y+jjNUCJpbeCt73tEV6GxYvQhahiQwNY5Jh8l2evXNhCuTje9UbM9fZcaVvVmHTdP// vmTaOvfeVYL3gPJgJg+196/6aAysK/gZIjsuT8sfvhcl2nDED4+5wWabfqKlU8NhYPJk frqHGN0kZbEZ8QDC4MRSFShQMfS9XYm7av9D48GfmYS43m2k0JDsN7fPnK3KF+G19LdC W/UfJG5Nib2f227IxT2U0g/ACX/zV6faDEleZhKRm4J4CDgdUgKPre6NNbvUe7V4JOGu ZVxw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.145.228 with SMTP id sx4mr8095940lab.45.1337281958530; Thu, 17 May 2012 12:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.49.65 with HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2012 12:12:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <001701cd3442$63152b30$293f8190$@ameritech.net> References: <001701cd3442$63152b30$293f8190$@ameritech.net> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 15:12:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: Doug Braun To: KVacek@ameritech.net, Shop-Talk X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkhBhbXiBZogEnod+x5QHow8sBSc4GUOKnCeHAMNIdnU9NxoLAX8i2Hw4I1lLLj9dIpj3t9 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT - California destinations X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I took my kids to CA over spring break a couple of years ago, and we drove from SF to Yosemite. On the way, in the middle of the Central Valley, I saw a sign for the Castle Air Museum, which I had never heard of. We stopped by, and saw all sorts of amazing airplanes on display, including a B-36 Peacemaker bomber, which I've wanted to see for many years. It was an unplanned but wonderful diversion. http://www.castleairmuseum.org/ Doug On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Karl Vacek wrote: > Since so many list members live in California, this seems like a good group > to ask. > > > > My wife and I are taking our first "real" vacation in 38 years of marriage. > We're flying to San Diego and driving to San Francisco, trying to see > everything we can in between. Planning on taking the coast highway as much > as possible or advisable. Shop content - we're renting a Mustang > convertible and that reminds me that I need to change the oil in mine ;-) > > > > Any good automotive, aircraft, or generally interesting things that we > should include? Events that would interest shop and car and airplane fans > between June 5 and 16? > > > > Thanks for your indulgence! Please reply off-list > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 16:23:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C412D04A7 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:23:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4322D06D7 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 13:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vms170025pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M46006X8LVHRB21@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Thu, 17 May 2012 14:23:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 130.76.64.117 ([130.76.64.117]) by vms170025 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2012 14:23:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 14:23:41 -0500 (CDT) From: koblinger@verizon.net To: KVacek@Ameritech.net, shop-talk@autox.team.net Message-id: <4661728.658471.1337282621590.JavaMail.root@vms170025> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Verizon Webmail X-Originating-IP: [130.76.64.117] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html by demime 1.01d Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT - California destinations X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net /local/mailman/lynxXXXXL7H66C: Permission denied _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 16:24:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A75A2D0757 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:24:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2812D06D7 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 13:30:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B7A91j0011wfjNsA87Xfgu; Thu, 17 May 2012 19:31:39 +0000 Received: from sz0054.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.106]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B7Xf1j00F2HMFy48j7XfSs; Thu, 17 May 2012 19:31:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 19:31:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Bob Spidell To: KVacek@Ameritech.net Message-ID: <213033648.515064.1337283099449.JavaMail.root@sz0054a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <001701cd3442$63152b30$293f8190$@ameritech.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [12.133.179.130] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT - California destinations X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Well, I've only lived in CA for 59 years (since birth) but I'll chime in anyway. The Coast Route--Hwy 1--is nice, but for me the ocean gets old after a couple hundred miles. One of my favorite drives--which includes twistys like in the Alps--is Hwy 33 NE off 1 through Ojai (a scenic town in its own right) up to Hwy 166 west back to the coast. Narrow, but good mountain 2-lane that ends in some open prairie and oil/cattle country. North of Monterey, try Hwy 46 east to Cholame--where James Dean was killed--then go north towards Parkfield/Coalinga (I was born in Coalinga). Turn west again on Hwy 198 and, if it's not too late in the season, pass some well-known wildflower spots. Take Hwy 25 north and stop at Pinnacles National Park and you're likely to see some condors. Hwy 25 is pretty scenic until Hollister, then you could hop back over to the coast for San Gregorio, Half Moon Bay, etc. then up to SF to cross the bridge (hopefully, you don't have to ask 'which bridge?'). There's 'Planes of Fame' in Chino--which supplies a lot of stuff for the movies--but I don't know if it's open to the public or not. Bob -------------------------------- Bob Spidell - San Jose, CA ----- Original Message ----- Since so many list members live in California, this seems like a good group to ask. My wife and I are taking our first "real" vacation in 38 years of marriage. We're flying to San Diego and driving to San Francisco, trying to see everything we can in between. Planning on taking the coast highway as much as possible or advisable. Shop content - we're renting a Mustang convertible and that reminds me that I need to change the oil in mine ;-) Any good automotive, aircraft, or generally interesting things that we should include? Events that would interest shop and car and airplane fans between June 5 and 16? Thanks for your indulgence! Please reply off-list Karl _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 20:23:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79752C0C93 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 20:23:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08B42D069E for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 17:18:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lahi5 with SMTP id i5so2819377lah.14 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:19:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My dad just went to the Mullin museum in LA and said it was great. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 22:21:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDCE2D06CF for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 22:21:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBC92D06BC for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Karl - Some interesting places include: http://lyonairmuseum.org/ in Santa Ana between San Diego and LA, at John Wayne Airport. and http://www.nethercuttcollection.org/ in Sylmar, near the I5 and I210 junction on the north side of LA. If you can make the guided tour (need a reservation), you will see some nice cars, a huge glass hood ornament collection, and interesting self playing musical instruments. The collection for the self guided tour is also very extensive. Brian in LA -----Original Message----- >From: Karl Vacek >Sent: May 17, 2012 8:33 AM >To: shop-talk@autox.team.net >Subject: [Shop-talk] OT - California destinations > >Since so many list members live in California, this seems like a good group >to ask. > > > >My wife and I are taking our first "real" vacation in 38 years of marriage. >We're flying to San Diego and driving to San Francisco, trying to see >everything we can in between. Planning on taking the coast highway as much >as possible or advisable. Shop content - we're renting a Mustang >convertible and that reminds me that I need to change the oil in mine ;-) > > > >Any good automotive, aircraft, or generally interesting things that we >should include? Events that would interest shop and car and airplane fans >between June 5 and 16? > > > >Thanks for your indulgence! Please reply off-list > >Karl >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 00:07:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E065C2D06C4 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 00:07:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFA82D06D2 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 20:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120518023352.WYZ24708.mta31.charter.net@imp11> for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 22:33:52 -0400 Received: from wt09 ([209.225.8.59]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id BEZs1j0041GRMdM05EZsmR; Thu, 17 May 2012 22:33:52 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=cMgGpCxuRLEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=EOJXAgG-KEQA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=0hpg4ziPDHr3OuFPPBkA:9 a=I7hJj6yrjax4qpgftz0A:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=zdRuEmwNkDemIoCQL0WYIA==:117 Received: from [75.134.19.20] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2012 22:33:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:33:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Message-ID: <7424ad17.1efefa.1375dcb4726.Webtop.49@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 49 X-Originating-IP: [75.134.19.20] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT - California destinations X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="no" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If you go far enough north, you have to at least drive around Lake Tahoe. (I am biased having grown up in NorCal and also once lived in Tahoe, but it is a beautiful area!) I also lived very close to Fisherman's Warf but most of the Bay Area is in no way a must see in my opinion; especially if you have Yosemite and/or Tahoe on your list. Laguna Seca would be a fun diversion for me. tim On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Karl Vacek wrote: > Since so many list members live in California, this seems like a good > group > to ask. > > > My wife and I are taking our first "real" vacation in 38 years of > marriage. > We're flying to San Diego and driving to San Francisco, trying to see > everything we can in between. Planning on taking the coast highway as > much > as possible or advisable. Shop content - we're renting a Mustang > convertible and that reminds me that I need to change the oil in mine > ;-) > > > Any good automotive, aircraft, or generally interesting things that we > should include? Events that would interest shop and car and airplane > fans > between June 5 and 16? > > > Thanks for your indulgence! Please reply off-list > > Karl _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 02:08:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3722D06D2 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 02:08:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2302D064C for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 23:20:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=EOJXAgG-KEQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=8KVFgR5FAAAA:20 a=2bEbG7qcAAAA:8 a=Gwc-Z_T4AAAA:20 a=bDhkBKWpRO2oqkpzBCoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=zQvtzXiuUOcA:10 a=IqvUnqhFybIA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 83/79-16302-83CD5BF4; Fri, 18 May 2012 05:20:57 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: <001701cd3442$63152b30$293f8190$@ameritech.net> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:20:56 -0700 Message-ID: <0fc101cd34b6$01177860$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac00QZlN2Lfs/bLiSsq9923S2gxwiAAcNVgw In-Reply-To: <001701cd3442$63152b30$293f8190$@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT - California destinations X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If you're going past San Simeon (Hearst Castle), be sure to stop at the Piedra Blancas beach just north of there and see the colony of elephant seals. I don't think you'll see any mature males this time of year, but the females and pups are impressive enough. http://goo.gl/3XOUE The Petersen automotive museum in West LA (founded by the same Robert Petersen that published Hot Rod magazine, Motor Trend, Motor Life and CARtoons) is worth a visit, IMO. http://www.petersen.org/ If you have time and are so inclined, walk up Wilshire Blvd a few blocks from there and see the La Brea tar pits. http://goo.gl/m20Rf There is a museum next door that exhibits many of the fossils that have been dug from the tar; but the pits are more interesting to me. Although they have been faked up a bit (the mammoths in the pit aren't real ), that is still natural petroleum and gas bubbling up out of the ground. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 03:51:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07902D06AB for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 03:51:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mk-outboundfilter-6-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-6-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3902D0504 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 01:39:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Trace: 466802356/mk-outboundfilter-6.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/f2s-temporary-group/88.104.26.196/None/nick@landform.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.104.26.196 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: nick@landform.co.uk X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAMT7tU9YaBrE/2dsb2JhbAANOLZzAQEEODIOARALIRYPCQMCAQIBRRMBBwEBxBmLG4IMgx4Dml6NIA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,615,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="466802356" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 88-104-26-196.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO [192.168.1.104]) ([88.104.26.196]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 18 May 2012 08:39:43 +0100 Message-ID: <4FB5FCBF.6020801@landform.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 08:39:43 +0100 From: nick brearley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KVacek@Ameritech.net References: <001701cd3442$63152b30$293f8190$@ameritech.net> In-Reply-To: <001701cd3442$63152b30$293f8190$@ameritech.net> Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT - California destinations X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Karl, Can't claim any California roots but have enjoyed many holidays there over the years. A few suggestions: La Brea Tar Pits in LA are interesting, nothing automotive but pretty unique natural history stuff. NASA JPL in Pasadena do guided tours, book via website. For an Englishman it was very good, for an American I imagine you'd be interested to see how your tax dollars are spent. Mulholland Drive LA is a great scenic drive. At the western end there's an interesting cold war radar site. Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo are worth visiting. Solvang in between is a faux Danish town but nicely done. Go to Firestone Winery near Los Olivos to see how a winery can be done if you don't have to rely on wine profits to build it. Morro Bay or Cambria make good stopping places on the route north, handy for Hearst Castle. Bar the power station Morro Bay is a nice little town. Coastal drive in Monterey is good. +1 on Castle Air Museum but it's some way inland on I99. A great road for Big Ag. Marin County and Point Reyes just over the bridge from SF are very scenic. Wondered about a Mustang convertible for our next trip, I'd be interested to hear how you get on with fitting your luggage in the trunk. Good luck. Nick Brearley _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 11:19:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A182D05D1 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 11:19:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0132.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.132]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992052D046F for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 09:03:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay04.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4675BFCCD for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 15:04:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Panda: scanned! X-Session-Marker: 6D696B65794072616D626F75722E636F6D X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 1697 Received: from [192.168.83.155] (host216-187.lsdepts.ucsb.edu [128.111.216.187]) (Authenticated sender: mikey@rambour.com) by omf02.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 15:04:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4FB664EC.8070703@dinospider.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 08:04:12 -0700 From: Mike Rambour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <001701cd3442$63152b30$293f8190$@ameritech.net> <4FB5FCBF.6020801@landform.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FB5FCBF.6020801@landform.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT - California destinations X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 05/18/2012 12:39 AM, nick brearley wrote: > Hi Karl, > > Can't claim any California roots but have enjoyed many holidays there > over the years. A few suggestions: > > La Brea Tar Pits in LA are interesting, nothing automotive but pretty > unique natural history stuff. LOTS of automotive stuff next to La Brea Tar Pits, its only a short block from the Peterson Museum, we ususally park at Peterson and then walk to La Brea, its not even a full block away. > > Wondered about a Mustang convertible for our next trip, I'd be > interested to hear how you get on with fitting your luggage in the trunk. How much luggage do you have ? wife and I can go for 2 week road trips in my S2000 with lots of left over luggage space and the Mustang has enough luggage room for ... uh...lets just says it has enough for a few months worth of luggage. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 00:29:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A862D0425 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 00:29:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from wavecable.net (mail.astound.net [76.14.0.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07392D0337 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 22:41:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [76.14.92.247] (HELO [10.0.1.10]) by wavecable.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 388759547; Fri, 18 May 2012 21:42:09 -0700 References: <001701cd3442$63152b30$293f8190$@ameritech.net> In-Reply-To: <001701cd3442$63152b30$293f8190$@ameritech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <4297643A-9AAC-4794-B5CC-C20C86EDADC6@astound.net> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: Fred Katz Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:42:07 -0700 To: "KVacek@Ameritech.net" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT - California destinations X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jack Mendenhall Museum of Gasoline Pumps in Buellton, near Santa Barbara, is a must see. Lots of vintage gas pumps, and old signage. It's a private museum and you have to make reservations. Car clubs often have displays of their vintage cars at the museum - again, by reservation. Buellton is like three minutes from Solvang. Solvang is a Danish settlement with lots of great eateries and Danish treats. Fred - Sent from my iPad On May 17, 2012, at 8:33 AM, "Karl Vacek" wrote: > Since so many list members live in California, this seems like a good group > to ask. > > > > My wife and I are taking our first "real" vacation in 38 years of marriage. > We're flying to San Diego and driving to San Francisco, trying to see > everything we can in between. Planning on taking the coast highway as much > as possible or advisable. Shop content - we're renting a Mustang > convertible and that reminds me that I need to change the oil in mine ;-) > > > > Any good automotive, aircraft, or generally interesting things that we > should include? Events that would interest shop and car and airplane fans > between June 5 and 16? > > > > Thanks for your indulgence! Please reply off-list > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/roadster@astound.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 13:57:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86402D0270 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 13:57:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116A22D0271 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 13:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC9DA8071 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 12:55:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=lne.com; h=message-id:date:from :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=lne.com; b=yM7ik+KMN7k5t3+KG k2v8l5+MMmaR88wKxR2jLlKT0phgHy9EYCvzSg6W7Gj4Ohzt6aKLJRSlry2N9dQR Hy0DTspQShknckIBAb6BtoixmxjOV14y2hLyoAfNGzF2+pHYlVL2g0gGY7IH86Tm ++la2MM3gs7vGg6VGd5biXGCbg= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=lne.com; h=message-id:date :from:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=lne.com; bh=joZ9cdBuP 2DdqpaD7cDstBtnWoI=; b=nwtWhfSFKVQWrSlwrvb0mX657enSkKqO7tXaQHgsE 5HdO2l9CWEQty/uai+MBm3wF7ezbrC7KE85r9809VfpPhhwMBkuoT1ndLtJfuMVH sfsF2tyMPHLcb8f7kJI7etG22RdMpxEEi8QwVWWrk+40Qdlne42/zfx2rkE8vzIQ aA= Received: from [10.10.100.149] (50-0-188-2.dedicated.static.sonic.net [50.0.188.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ericm@lne.com) by homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AE0E0A8064 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 12:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FBA9DAD.8050603@lne.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:55:25 -0700 From: Eric Murray User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <001701cd3442$63152b30$293f8190$@ameritech.net> <4297643A-9AAC-4794-B5CC-C20C86EDADC6@astound.net> In-Reply-To: <4297643A-9AAC-4794-B5CC-C20C86EDADC6@astound.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT - California destinations X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net HIghway 1 is usually full of tourists on the weekend. Expect slow and erratic driving. It's not bad if you're checking out the scenery but if you want to enjoy a nice twisty road it can be frustrating. There's a nice moderate sized motorcycle museum in Solvang: http://www.motosolvang.com/ I found it by accident when I was there for a bicycle ride. My wife and I spent a couple hours there after the ride. Pretty much anywhere you go on the coast will be interesting. I've lived here for 50 years and I'm still finding new stuff. Eric On 05/18/2012 09:42 PM, Fred Katz wrote: > Jack Mendenhall Museum of Gasoline Pumps > in Buellton, near Santa Barbara, is a must see. Lots of vintage gas pumps, and > old signage. It's a private museum and you have to make reservations. Car > clubs often have displays of their vintage cars at the museum - again, by > reservation. Buellton is like three minutes from Solvang. Solvang is a Danish > settlement with lots of great eateries and Danish treats. > > Fred - > Sent from my iPad > > On May 17, 2012, at 8:33 AM, "Karl Vacek" wrote: > >> Since so many list members live in California, this seems like a good group >> to ask. >> >> >> >> My wife and I are taking our first "real" vacation in 38 years of marriage. >> We're flying to San Diego and driving to San Francisco, trying to see >> everything we can in between. Planning on taking the coast highway as much >> as possible or advisable. Shop content - we're renting a Mustang >> convertible and that reminds me that I need to change the oil in mine ;-) >> >> >> >> Any good automotive, aircraft, or generally interesting things that we >> should include? Events that would interest shop and car and airplane fans >> between June 5 and 16? >> >> >> >> Thanks for your indulgence! Please reply off-list >> >> Karl >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/roadster@astound.net > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ericm@lne.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 19:18:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBFB2D0217 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:18:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm18-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7587D2D0217 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:17:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 01:18:37 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.53] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 01:18:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 01:18:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1337649516; bh=hoMrtIhJ5sU93prTEZ7iWYjZ4KlK/88RWF/CGuFbpx4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=fLX2v9KQd0/kQdfSKPs9KqW1OoPubG+tOfOr4hXv7zoF1Ec6QBZYQLSVAgTQKUTHGrxNjWeyrFw862u9KUyitmUkF4UsYbkkZVrHFFegtKA4u/cIn2kW6FBUbRFfk42eKKp/WmOncLtO+Tj8zwAi/WNyht3bVMRChoaTlvCDCAg= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 933449.21473.bm@smtp106.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: bbIY4bEVM1n9jHCO_94sjg3IpDsZJ52l7t_p4tTdHpVa9zy Rd6L23RHif5dxYViqk_PeV6GOQ3buhDB3myljXzm8HyhAC1AXy3VFDTwmsIB SN5qT3JPqtLd8b1z.1oVOfJjl845qCLLv2JtejUEEQqfIleUfUhV.5EDVJQn VvU1oV.oDLpGpig9xqKXGUphbaHt12ouDZMAprTkTu7kx5YiAMpHCDyhcTVp nUufsh3WW0VQYAdjarGGBKZ..9LgEzM6pb.rCV8iKJ116jWW58IcmA9NeBKu V_z9aNn3a8wsy9MlQkzk8kcGmOAAFYRh.ijnakoRlJtQ9vBObsYh81NKBYXB vIuNlqt0MVnozXZqM4mVst_F6.8ILAS2Y7.IgNc2GKUNHfU4qQR.Dowb_dNM c0o90ROvSQcSFnUpyoO4eBIMG.QIzai1SD.aFEucwXMYpM6Poq2lgVZ5h3jP llEjarClCAkJj2Gavl9EuUTtxBXo9ySCbGRvWzPKCLmnJVP2qetxYxM87sKX HssoL86E5AP8E.SOMTp7UfF6lQ_hiHrU- X-Yahoo-SMTP: N1vUKuCswBBFA6w98oBmnWwA.ZnMue1mJ2F6zw-- Received: from john5043a2d406 (jniolon@108.227.226.77 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2012 18:18:36 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <18B2E5D902B741ECA2331D0F2867AA46@john5043a2d406> From: "John Niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 20:19:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Shop-talk] value of welding trailer X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Gentlemen, I've got a trailer mounted Bobcat 250 gas welder I'd like to sell. The trailer includes small welders box, racks for lead, racks for bottles, two 200 W halogen lights, 6" Vise. small fire extinguisher and about 100 feet of lead/ground. The welder also has a custom heavy canvas cover made by fun_4_now who haunts this board..it's been shed kept it's entire life and I don't remember rain ever falling on it. The welder has less than 100 hours on it and a battery bought last year. I've had it about 5 years and the plans I had for it fell thru due to a death in the family. I'm not trying to sell it here but wondering if you experts could come up with a good price to ask for it. I know the welder is worth around 3500 new. and this one hasn't had a tank of gas run thru it total. Stabil always included in the gas and it's run every month or so to keep the battery up. Starts quick, runs smooth and welds. well like a Miller welder welds. 15" tires and will throw in the ball lock.Pics below and a sketch of the trailer with dimensions.... Can you help me come up with an asking price. ??? It lives at my house in Hueytown, Al.. thanks john pics can be seen at http://jniolon.classicpickup.com/weldingtrailer/trailerpics.htm _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 07:25:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D8B2D0475 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:25:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f169.google.com (mail-gh0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77F82D03EE for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:25:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ghrr18 with SMTP id r18so1079175ghr.14 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:26:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=76og3iiOrj1w9peIuSqTRZMqS4YcdIdub5C77MkX2qc=; b=VHcVugQ5f3TSS92mE7fp8OVeehVRFCH7T51CSDC8AoKMNeIUNX+dOv4USqEiAq48nH 8z6NI5s3WP1PPHy43ric73Unmapg+g/Oxof973x4MMRGU12gRaR/iKQET07zUEyGMVTn uJmXACskKa9IyTtlQC8olT/pn/rFIa+Qzk9huzAnzR9gcXejc6Mn8nxS7YXFX5Wv4oSp cOzC/gX7ETOO4ZyFH0D0LW3nH5laSh6keDpVRuSFFYTujVi7tE9MjuMC98ajgI669mi4 +pHd3jQMP9o3OVX02zf6GSKTjLa85T4ikEZxXrESmgOZB+Jttw4aQMgIcAbiT4Cq0WRs 9T6A== Received: by 10.236.190.2 with SMTP id d2mr3229861yhn.48.1337693180292; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.174.10] ([216.173.174.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z42sm88026002yhd.1.2012.05.22.06.26.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 May 2012 06:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FBB93F7.3010902@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:26:15 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <18B2E5D902B741ECA2331D0F2867AA46@john5043a2d406> In-Reply-To: <18B2E5D902B741ECA2331D0F2867AA46@john5043a2d406> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] value of welding trailer X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net John, I see stuff like that around here from time to time. The cheapest I've ever seen one is about $4,000, and the most expensive is about $6,000. For what it's worth. Scott On 5/21/2012 9:19 PM, John Niolon wrote: > Gentlemen, > > I've got a trailer mounted Bobcat 250 gas welder I'd like to sell. The trailer > includes small welders box, racks for lead, racks for bottles, two 200 W > halogen lights, 6" Vise. small fire extinguisher and about 100 feet of > lead/ground. The welder also has a custom heavy canvas cover made by fun_4_now > who haunts this board..it's been shed kept it's entire life and I don't > remember rain ever falling on it. > > The welder has less than 100 hours on it and a battery bought last year. I've > had it about 5 years and the plans I had for it fell thru due to a death in > the family. I'm not trying to sell it here but wondering if you experts could > come up with a good price to ask for it. I know the welder is worth around > 3500 new. and this one hasn't had a tank of gas run thru it total. Stabil > always included in the gas and it's run every month or so to keep the battery > up. Starts quick, runs smooth and welds. well like a Miller welder welds. 15" > tires and will throw in the ball lock.Pics below and a sketch of the trailer > with dimensions.... Can you help me come up with an asking price. ??? It lives > at my house in Hueytown, Al.. > > thanks > > john > > > > pics can be seen at > http://jniolon.classicpickup.com/weldingtrailer/trailerpics.htm > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 07:47:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A5E2D048C for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:47:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 711B92D041B for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:47:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25085 invoked by uid 3198); 22 May 2012 13:48:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 May 2012 13:48:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:48:06 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman X-X-Sender: hillman@itonami.pair.com To: shop-talk@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <4FBB93F7.3010902@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <18B2E5D902B741ECA2331D0F2867AA46@john5043a2d406> <4FBB93F7.3010902@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] value of welding trailer X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, 22 May 2012, Scott wrote: > I see stuff like that around here from time to time. The cheapest I've ever > seen one is about $4,000, and the most expensive is about $6,000. Right now there's two Bobcats on Craigslist here, both around 1500 hours. A 225 on a much lower-end trailer for $3500, and a naked 250 for $3400. John's setup is much nicer than both. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 08:04:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642622D04C3 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:04:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f169.google.com (mail-gh0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B1C2D033E for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ghrr18 with SMTP id r18so1101838ghr.14 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:04:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=U3HMW3h1ud+oXGVSuHcLe9mzFg2qAWy4/cxEAP4N32Y=; b=vyvjsyG6xMV+m4CNAbt0hKiM8HuEPFuah5dprGh4z0cuTwuaKxSHl6DBXjA0fUIEOn o9Ha1Ft+XHCiKONpVjSP4lzBz6RkiemQWWWrSihx/k7vQo7/I0TfDnh7MOBIIegIaoch v6IsPX+A75m+93/GbhUo3KZzKnbd5CVcRU7AE7oGyeJPkxEMHX+hVMHQ6heUu/vLgK6K 6G7GrewrCB/cvsExCnpNa0bbPlVAE0D9qqlhIwI1gb9S+tDvjA4dAuR3rM73ZvUjDnCh UGMxzEJbCTtRr1TzuHeoDnjwM8WvyRxmilhnqlBmjgpH18C6SocSkMV3FCQtKkwxCJM3 V2nw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.19.164 with SMTP id g4mr22625637oee.44.1337695487625; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.121.8 with HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:04:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <18B2E5D902B741ECA2331D0F2867AA46@john5043a2d406> <4FBB93F7.3010902@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:04:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] value of welding trailer X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net VERY nice setup, John. I wish I was in a position to take advantage of the deal. On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:48 AM, David Hillman wrote: > On Tue, 22 May 2012, Scott wrote: > >> I see stuff like that around here from time to time. The cheapest I've >> ever seen one is about $4,000, and the most expensive is about $6,000. >> > > Right now there's two Bobcats on Craigslist here, both around 1500 > hours. A 225 on a much lower-end trailer for $3500, and a naked 250 for > $3400. > > John's setup is much nicer than both. > > -- > David Hillman > > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@**gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 11:13:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C422D04F1 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:13:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F262D04D1 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:13:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by dakp5 with SMTP id p5so12352952dak.14 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 10:14:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:x-mimeole; bh=MQnEVHLdINy14IheLIauMpP9Ga0Wdv0p1j97ArX5bVc=; b=MqHFYOyf28ja4b4Lp4ULX16Ut0J927Ap4lzHitE+T77S8DiIXcLNvqOxpxZ4Y17w+C QQRFjx6vjTv2iobkq4tQ7zmk904eIOEoY+qiJTtI+CgvkF3smeaphOpWfPXf5JLpcHtp ZxoNhkMQ88b8F4hkFMLGpZXBsFgUyP3Y3/rTaab/uON88BgU0bM07rPTpdgFBJgCrO1g KerYPPrhRXSmdGgVrNKkYXX4+W/a4dUI++NCa3gPU/gJdQEyJMWSZTUHLlYv0TnEAc26 /qoBKJcjJWI0fXNSqtR3L+Zhak+P/l8IHRwuxqWxKZw2LITVnPscDPiC37tkD+6m7V0m sckA== Received: by 10.68.130.196 with SMTP id og4mr792513pbb.36.1337706867343; Tue, 22 May 2012 10:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wPC ([50.46.255.121]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b10sm27285801pbr.46.2012.05.22.10.14.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 May 2012 10:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4fbbc972.ca3b440a.4185.ffffebda@mx.google.com> From: cornerexit To: Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:14:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Ac04PmYkv29qBHDXRfOmCV8COPsOdg== X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Shop-talk] 12x16 storage shed, where to put door? X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm building a 12x16 storage shed on skids on some undeveloped property to store miscellaneous tools and such in while I develop the homesite and shopsite on the property. May end up using it to store an atv at some point also. This will be the only structure on the property for some time and will probably need to pull double duty as a small workshop (mostly just a small work bench) as well as for storage. There will be no power to the shed initially. May try and outfit it with some solar lighting but the property is mostly forest so I don't know how that will work. There will be generator power on site. As the site is developed I suspect the shed will transition to more of a lawn and garden type shed for a riding lawnmower and related gardening items, etc. I purchased some $17 plans which are pretty compressive and include a complete materials list. It has 8' walls (I'm pretty tall and hate hitting my head) a gable roof with the peak running along the 16' dimension. The skids also run along the 16' dimension. The door (double door with 6' width) can be installed along the 12' dimension or the 16' dimension. I'm leaning towards putting the door along the 16' dimension as it may mean easier access to items in the shed. I'm a bit worried that a door along the 12' dimension would result in difficult to access items that are buried in the 16' deep shed. Also, the open doors on the 12' side might allow more natural light into the shed. Where would you put the door? Thanks Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 11:38:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6D82D0509 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:38:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EF26B2D0510 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:37:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.196] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 17:38:21 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.49] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 17:38:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 17:38:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1337708301; bh=1oIDN2h/I70jXW7B/Zt8f7bHVIen+lWLWjtNybvi/1M=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=fhVzXLfTfCkglpYaooxX72KUIIR+ryA/J2vm7oPcPBwdNsgWmN8740+RSimA4I8tuEhNIOt0ZdoEfFfS6IPKO17SfraoDBpM2l4TSxr4BgFsNhZ2ZeoU5EntIy/MKdGo/UXMo/KVYeJmm1AhNDuzEBOjsoHj1jEUwA9HyGy0uws= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 588031.60559.bm@smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Bb4YUSsVM1kUMXOpwEh0.adF.1uB5awTp9ETnG91fiQ1XDn YIARIaWkRaQ7YmNo84coSF2U0R4wMwyspiqIVIjwDngSQFks0o85wpGa4KJG H8eER6yRtZrb3BUbWMi0eflXYfBsyyG3MJc.6ZTXzAzjkWsrH6WpXtMfxSnx pe0WYMNw3ySuAzVxQQhoDMPTDGJLj73FOxARbT.6caOjSMdS6wcytNz6YPI5 4e1NwrFcoDqxryq_YgjugyJjyQ7btPF_DqnTf5IWVvSNaFGGF9acTtpu_aiS NDcLh8Bv99lUVhGqpa0shTcIiMIWtlDqBlLu0u5UPjZedD7AXVYaw8XbR2E2 IwKIMR_.WNVes6wbZI1gbkXu3PNLtlK.rG5O68ss7BkR61.wzDGbid55R_OS JMF3HNYqnf92_SUOJiEHwRqOgllCM41iEPV6Vz.Hr4Ay250joPd1HYP_eDLH Me7J9iZYwH3uvvIv4qUmwkIR2WyTq X-Yahoo-SMTP: N1vUKuCswBBFA6w98oBmnWwA.ZnMue1mJ2F6zw-- Received: from john5043a2d406 (jniolon@108.227.226.77 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2012 10:38:21 -0700 PDT Message-ID: From: "John Niolon" To: "cornerexit" , "shop-talk" References: <4fbbc972.ca3b440a.4185.ffffebda@mx.google.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:39:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 12x16 storage shed, where to put door? X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net if you're building from scratch... I'd put the wide door in the 12' end. (6' minimum -- 8' better).. that way you can drive in the atv or zero turn and park it.. THEN put an additional walk door (36" or 48") in the long wall so you have access to the entire shed from the side while the mower/atv is parked... no climbing or tripping or hunting... couldn't cost much more than a set of hinges and some locking mechanism... I'd also place it and paint it to blend in with the surroundings to make it less noticeable and put some secure cross bars (2) on the inside of the doors if possible...well... one door will have to be barred from the outside won't it ? :-) It's amazing how much work someone will put into stealing things. No windows or if you do add bars there also... regular passage locks are a waste... and give up easily to a large pair of channel locks or a pipe wrench... might as well leave it open...1/2" x 3 or 4" flat bar secured in saddles made from the same material ... heavy non exposed hardware (weld the mounting bolts to the back of the saddles and mount them thru the long side of the studs... and serious locks with some cut proof covers (lock inside a tube)... and that won't be enough to stop a determined thief with battery operated tools. just some ideas john ----- Original Message ----- From: "cornerexit" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:14 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] 12x16 storage shed, where to put door? > I'm building a 12x16 storage shed on skids on some undeveloped property to > store miscellaneous tools and such in while I develop the homesite and > shopsite on the property. May end up using it to store an atv at some > point > also. This will be the only structure on the property for some time and > will > probably need to pull double duty as a small workshop (mostly just a small > work bench) as well as for storage. There will be no power to the shed > initially. May try and outfit it with some solar lighting but the property > is mostly forest so I don't know how that will work. There will be > generator > power on site. > > > > As the site is developed I suspect the shed will transition to more of a > lawn and garden type shed for a riding lawnmower and related gardening > items, etc. > > > > I purchased some $17 plans which are pretty compressive and include a > complete materials list. It has 8' walls (I'm pretty tall and hate hitting > my head) a gable roof with the peak running along the 16' dimension. The > skids also run along the 16' dimension. > > > > The door (double door with 6' width) can be installed along the 12' > dimension or the 16' dimension. > > > > I'm leaning towards putting the door along the 16' dimension as it may > mean > easier access to items in the shed. I'm a bit worried that a door along > the > 12' dimension would result in difficult to access items that are buried in > the 16' deep shed. Also, the open doors on the 12' side might allow more > natural light into the shed. > > > > Where would you put the door? > > > > Thanks > > Wayne > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 12:22:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9E12D05BF for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:22:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa01-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C23C2D0527 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:22:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 31981 invoked from network); 22 May 2012 18:23:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (24.113.13.208) by p3plsmtpa01-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.90) with ESMTP; 22 May 2012 18:23:20 -0000 Message-ID: <24921F26F8DC4C4FA17909D5DF34AFF6@DesktopPC> From: "Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 11:23:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Shop-talk] Software recommendations for website X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a small (after retirement) business that I need to create and maintain a website. I'm hoping for an increase in web traffic and want to easily update and add copy. http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/extras/car-parts/leather-license-plates/index.s html The present software is not very novice friendly and I'm hoping that with the wealth of knowledge available within this group there would be some excellent recommendations for software packages that have worked for you. If I can resolve this issue, then I'll have more time to work in my shop! Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA www.leatherplates.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 16:17:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332842D05E5 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:17:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49152D0314 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:16:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D89F2E02B for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:25:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FBC10F4.10502@bradakis.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 16:19:32 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shop Talk References: <24921F26F8DC4C4FA17909D5DF34AFF6@DesktopPC> In-Reply-To: <24921F26F8DC4C4FA17909D5DF34AFF6@DesktopPC> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Software recommendations for website X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Like the Leno link. I, too, am starting to look at updating web software, but my criteria may be a bit different given that I was a computer guy for quite some time. But I really want to do a better job on Team.Net's web presence, which is currently a mess. And Team.Net is not a business, though sometimes the guy in charge does seem like a total idiot, like most managers. But every now and then folks do appreciate the work and send in a donation. That's always nice. Anyway, are you looking for something to just do show and tell, so to speak, or actually want something where folks can make a purchase? mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 16:39:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6FC2D04FD for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:39:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-65-40-236-36.sta.embarqhsd.net [65.40.236.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2BB2D04F0 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:39:39 -0600 (MDT) In-Reply-To: <4FBC10F4.10502@bradakis.com> To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.2 September 26, 2006 Message-ID: From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 18:38:52 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DOGBERT2/Megageek(Release 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 05/22/2012 18:35:45, Serialize complete at 05/22/2012 18:35:45 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Software recommendations for website X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I think this might be exactly what you are looking for... http://www.joomla.org/ Now, not to hijack the thread, but I am also looking for a package that can quickly and easily allow for set up and management of a web commerce site. The only hitch I have is that I run my own web server and it is running on Lotus (IBM) Domino. It works with some packages, but not the one above. So if anyone knows any packages that run under a Domino server, let me know. Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson Mark J Bradakis Sent by: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net 05/22/2012 18:13 To Shop Talk cc Subject Re: [Shop-talk] Software recommendations for website Like the Leno link. I, too, am starting to look at updating web software, but my criteria may be a bit different given that I was a computer guy for quite some time. But I really want to do a better job on Team.Net's web presence, which is currently a mess. And Team.Net is not a business, though sometimes the guy in charge does seem like a total idiot, like most managers. But every now and then folks do appreciate the work and send in a donation. That's always nice. Anyway, are you looking for something to just do show and tell, so to speak, or actually want something where folks can make a purchase? mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 17:58:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DEB2D04E7 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 17:58:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F0D2D0424 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 17:58:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FC92E022 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:07:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FBC28E1.4020602@bradakis.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 18:01:37 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shop Talk References: <24921F26F8DC4C4FA17909D5DF34AFF6@DesktopPC> In-Reply-To: <24921F26F8DC4C4FA17909D5DF34AFF6@DesktopPC> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Software recommendations for website X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Another important consideration - how much are you willing to pay? Download something free or storebought stuff? mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 18:32:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3622D0502 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:32:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AA2D82D04C3 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:32:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 15435 invoked from network); 23 May 2012 00:33:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (24.113.13.208) by p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.108) with ESMTP; 23 May 2012 00:33:33 -0000 Message-ID: <16503EA91BBF4C5FBB8D409E611C501F@DesktopPC> From: "Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Mark J Bradakis" , "Shop Talk" References: <24921F26F8DC4C4FA17909D5DF34AFF6@DesktopPC> <4FBC28E1.4020602@bradakis.com> In-Reply-To: <4FBC28E1.4020602@bradakis.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 17:33:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Software recommendations for website X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Free is good, but willing to pay some $. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:01 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Software recommendations for website Another important consideration - how much are you willing to pay? Download something free or storebought stuff? mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gsteve@hammatt.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5015 - Release Date: 05/22/12 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 19:45:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609922D04F0 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:45:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A4F9D2D03DF for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2012 01:46:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.80] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2012 01:46:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2012 01:46:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 305092.70468.bm@omp1017.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 42653 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2012 01:46:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1337737565; bh=6uChkTXT362WQWEOC7OFp7WkxEk6eUAUuFJgcL5seJQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AW8/JQMNqh70rtvejebrPiaiS9y2JcJvrhCRl2TDZBpVgy8Dsk6LadxY5UztITh9kiIvKnOz+LmUTQJ+PwbLIcdCpHJd2L1+O2mWeISq7vDS0dHSmMHnv2QQfCucf9596Bwk1TaJtpxWVwmdXrltdRdhu0bIi14szlQgQDCduKQ= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eU3Yn1EQQw4ZCZcjaN1F5BLGOhcjwA0fQ0kJdCHpPf7J/49iViWIy//yrkHyE0Y2vakhR9TnGEU+iP8kK9lWYGSxQzg7NX8mp5h4SgsfdeIIcaA8TSmhvEjVhVxOZ0sCwqkceyvzeYZF8RcbZ4Z+zc42UzsS1sKvTiT4gwF0N6o=; X-YMail-OSG: Q0fNSi0VM1lDAbpaJfwiNsX750f6AANsPa.2rgslfsZrHlX .H6XRoMK4i3eRM0tbOx4QOe7PIKtVtDYffubFgu5ALxSCnBzRNiQ4BS4Dc7e 4lMUswKYL_gYmfAlXu4U6cVww6799htZ6b1hbeoM.3lUV_A_KkJhJEBk17cq BPhdunqaIWGE3b.2XQIdKyn2a5fr4c0R.OVGqmDZp2go1ikFU8brJ4fNU3xp 6i512S.fn8u_j.6ZoZ7LjFSjh.GzfmFWeahrza9Mf7WD7M7MUoqbjr0e.CwX 5TrPzjjqrtRgZD41AixZFPb5IXO04goYEmrryffOGf7na7OqDIs6y_TGTvmf f_HEBVv43YS0rkg6DZt78OfkH9H8Hj2YBTCAoLCJOaPL77SV3KH7LBTqruV4 32GluTtRDX_2iOkrdaWFKaKkpP_rbWCaZglwZIMjqCD7.PhkEMzbyYwxT4PU 6hRD3axafrzHlumAqtVzd21VFXXqAtw-- Received: from [69.227.209.51] by web180909.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:46:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337737565.28622.YahooMailRC@web180909.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 18:46:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Vantacich To: Shop Talk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Shop-talk] Silverado HD2500 won't start X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 2003 Chevy Siverado HD2500 durmax diesel truck with 68K that will not start. It started up first thing this morning and died 10 sec later and hasn't run since then. I hooked up a scanner and found no codes, all fuses are good, I opened the air vent on the fuel filter and fuel came out immediately all of the indicators lamps on the dash look normal and the engine turns over good and strong. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Frank V. rustymetal@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 19:57:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F392D061B for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:57:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mailout17.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout17.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.139]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04812D0500 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:56:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan19.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.19] helo=mailscan19.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout17.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SX0ow-0007tY-Bz for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Tue, 22 May 2012 21:57:02 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan19.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SX0ow-00066v-2r; Tue, 22 May 2012 21:57:02 -0400 Received: from webmail17.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.17]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id DDx21j0040N5H5E01Dx2Ur; Tue, 22 May 2012 21:57:02 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=DNMNElxb c=1 sm=1 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=DvSPaxw8eO4A:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=pq4jwCggAAAA:8 a=3X_qh5jv0XeULXxq8EgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=NXqU3YP/RUmPXXhrMXkjfA==:117 X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.16.17 X-EN-IMPSID: DDx21j0040N5H5E01Dx2Ur Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail17.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SX0oq-0003nB-7w; Tue, 22 May 2012 21:56:56 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2012 21:56:56 -0400 Message-ID: <169ca8f9bab04da6ccef853db0287911.squirrel@email.accountsupport.com> In-Reply-To: <1337737565.28622.YahooMailRC@web180909.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1337737565.28622.YahooMailRC@web180909.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 21:56:56 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Frank Vantacich" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Silverado HD2500 won't start X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I have a 2003 Chevy Siverado HD2500 durmax diesel truck with 68K that will > not > start. It started up first thing this morning and died 10 sec later and > hasn't > run since then. I hooked up a scanner and found no codes, all fuses are > good, > I > opened the air vent on the fuel filter and fuel came out immediately all > of > the > indicators lamps on the dash look normal and the engine turns over good > and > strong. > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Frank, I once had a similar experience on a 4.3l Vortex engine. After all sorts of trouble shooting, it turned out the timing chain had jumped. Similar mileage too. Greg G. Osseo, MN _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 20:28:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B9F2D04F0 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 20:28:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay01.pair.com (relay01.pair.com [209.68.5.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 364F62D04F0 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 20:25:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 62164 invoked from network); 23 May 2012 02:25:37 -0000 Received: from 71.186.236.101 (HELO tonylaptop) (71.186.236.101) by relay01.pair.com with SMTP; 23 May 2012 02:25:37 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 71.186.236.101 From: "Tony Vaccaro" To: "'Frank Vantacich'" , "'Shop Talk'" References: <1337737565.28622.YahooMailRC@web180909.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1337737565.28622.YahooMailRC@web180909.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 22:26:43 -0400 Message-ID: <15a401cd388b$7ea981a0$7bfc84e0$@lotusowners.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJh1LK+9uFXDCGEnZJygAfGvLlZB5WtbUFA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Silverado HD2500 won't start X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I also had a 2003 but it was gas. Would not start. Ended up being a loose wire behind the fuse box. Car kept thinking it was being hot wired (according to the dealer). Took them 3 weeks to find it. Tony Vaccaro Lotus Owners of NY (LOONY) www.lotusowners.com 716-861-1412 -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank Vantacich Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:46 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Silverado HD2500 won't start I have a 2003 Chevy Siverado HD2500 durmax diesel truck with 68K that will not start. It started up first thing this morning and died 10 sec later and hasn't run since then. I hooked up a scanner and found no codes, all fuses are good, I opened the air vent on the fuel filter and fuel came out immediately all of the indicators lamps on the dash look normal and the engine turns over good and strong. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Frank V. rustymetal@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tvacc@lotusowners.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 09:51:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083F32D0385 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 09:51:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C322D02FC for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 09:51:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo110.cox.net ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120524155218.TGBY5450.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo110.cox.net> for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 11:52:18 -0400 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.211.88]) by eastrmimpo110.cox.net with bizsmtp id DrsH1j00G1uzUvs02rsJY2; Thu, 24 May 2012 11:52:18 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4FBE5932.0076,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=s1i2RV+unmn3sLkEA3lf1Tj2LikDbZyRf9iEFo2x6J8= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=uMyTlBfukKJCgtmHy1UhRw==:17 a=jJrOw3FHAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=RHqa6-XQAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=kys2UyXWj07vxxawFQMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=e5lOlTmtyGwA:10 a=5mxJrxMgS8YA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=yUb1aAekvs4l5gO1:21 a=HyJknjRSpffBE_Lg:21 a=5kdxaCM7W_-l4pY1QdAA:9 a=dzioAKCRYSlr6x4et5wA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=ororg4E4qSYA:10 a=upQCA6GsYCUA:10 a=xO7a6fPjr2IWyiKe:21 a=Hry1OTmUXjfjcu58:21 a=uMyTlBfukKJCgtmHy1UhRw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.1.20120524115122.06e759d8@cox.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 11:52:19 -0400 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: "John T. Blair" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Shop-talk] Electronic Edge Detector X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Gang, I came across this on another list I'm on and thought that it might be of interest to some here. John -------------- I have made a YouTube video of my Electronic Edge Finder being used on my mill. Hopefully the ease of use will be more evident than from my article. http://youtu.be/QPi83uIxRM0 Rick rgsparber@aol.com rick.sparber.org ------------------- John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. 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In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 12:46:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15ACC2D03A8 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 12:46:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832F32D0162 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 12:46:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.23.23.190] (lan23.xxiii.com [12.43.186.106]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4OIlI1v086343 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 14:47:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Message-ID: <4FBE8223.4070202@xxiii.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:46:59 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Best paint for concrete block X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Guys, My Dad bought a new house recently, with 2 car garage / shop / basement on the lower level. He wants to paint the concrete block walls for better lighting (reflectivity) and aesthetics. One wall is below grade, but has no signs of any moisture seepage in its 20 years, and the other is above (walk out.) What's the best kind of paint to use? I am NOT a fan of the "DryLok" stuff, and moisture isn't an issue anyway. Is something like a plain semi-gloss latex a good choice? -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 13:12:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C21A2D03D3 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 13:12:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048FF2D0383 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 13:10:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lahi5 with SMTP id i5so133470lah.14 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 12:11:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=iHJkSN/iMgNpzabq48GzF2AL84+/1naihgJomRY5Ehc=; b=X6WFzrXaQn2YpKA4KVUpoVuHSzqutBzQg4mrCHyT0mxs/mE0v3saeZZ5hwCkZOZnIm jMux4oZjb9vc/VxfG99wmRLshcmsM5x2FbCmFxHbw5l5KOrXugth6/KzwyvxcF9Yjvtt yA3GC1d2hzGL93pTFxuXA63dQokM0Iz+4ymW0kLie7HUtbrWWT2/awO6Flj2YnjqJ3+E BrxPtHpdtYBSmcp3TbIISt3WygP8Gt2oq2TEqWzjvs937M0p7LBxR0rBM8pUaA/uwVMk jMGPEFerQsyVnNAPB656Han5PxASLj2RVLnVF3jmlprvKU3aK+GLAXY2nmTdSNWvsKO3 Qpiw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.36.97 with SMTP id p1mr259723lbj.37.1337886702774; Thu, 24 May 2012 12:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.49.65 with HTTP; Thu, 24 May 2012 12:11:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FBE8223.4070202@xxiii.com> References: <4FBE8223.4070202@xxiii.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 15:11:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: Doug Braun To: Wayne , Shop-Talk X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlSWT58gwJms3EYlNb9RDSVCFAkVZibI6UrZEq1puLeoSwUApDA7WDwevAGNFCUDPsSGsUY X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Best paint for concrete block X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'd love to know, too. I have some concrete block walls in my garage I'd love to paint. I often see painted concrete block walls in schools and other institutional buildings where the paint is in perfect shape even after many years. It always seems to be a tough old-school oil-based paint. Doug On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Wayne wrote: > Hi Guys, > > My Dad bought a new house recently, with 2 car garage / shop / basement on > the lower level. > > He wants to paint the concrete block walls for better lighting > (reflectivity) and aesthetics. One wall is below grade, but has no signs of > any moisture seepage in its 20 years, and the other is above (walk out.) > > What's the best kind of paint to use? I am NOT a fan of the "DryLok" > stuff, and moisture isn't an issue anyway. Is something like a plain > semi-gloss latex a good choice? > > -Wayne > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/doug@**dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 14:14:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039E62D03C0 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 14:14:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DB02D036D for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 14:14:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so283764ggm.14 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 13:14:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=f11DgREUJhczoXvH/MZZRBhjvufDT26frL5wrRADwIA=; b=Z+NV/NBNLvVuZdVlb9u1xeNQ40v0sdmYbuS0j1EteRC1z13Xb4C8Fl6Ge2Jm6bxzBY tHRTHu9vljsPyahATEbWpmiAoDaYq1Z4hVftAHRcXT3Uh4zTSrKiZD0M9BC8PD8qqDBh QvDbkm5CcczK7LZ1qeXDoNuFl1E89Sobce8tymu1kN6WPkvsKfyORhk4mJpCgCloZGnE chMDNmYJiYosaDsvCiWQuxtEAuGUgZGIloHbqc7milAO2bisqoI3iCORM15CttSu+4y3 alGHu01cFPfedjW0uXewAGIVQg+2jKapVIhMz6u+11TQ1WsVAtVTNfkok7gcfAdLCC1K A0SQ== Received: by 10.42.68.71 with SMTP id w7mr554963ici.26.1337890494871; Thu, 24 May 2012 13:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (onshore-gw.logika.net. [64.241.87.62]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id if4sm15774148igc.10.2012.05.24.13.14.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 24 May 2012 13:14:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <4FBE8223.4070202@xxiii.com> In-Reply-To: <4FBE8223.4070202@xxiii.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) From: David Scheidt Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 15:14:52 -0500 To: Wayne Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Best paint for concrete block X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On May 24, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Wayne wrote: > > > What's the best kind of paint to use? I am NOT a fan of the "DryLok" stuff, and moisture isn't an issue anyway. Is something like a plain semi-gloss latex a good choice? > No. It's not. After you've thoroughly washed the walls and allowed to dry, use a primer specially designed for concrete. Then you paint. Best results will come from using a tip coat that matches the primer. Pay attention to the directions, some systems want you to wait between coats. > -Wayne > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 15:32:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD34A2D0404 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 15:32:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-65-40-236-36.sta.embarqhsd.net [65.40.236.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451CF2D03A8 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 15:30:46 -0600 (MDT) In-Reply-To: <4FBE8223.4070202@xxiii.com> To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.2 September 26, 2006 Message-ID: From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 17:29:36 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DOGBERT2/Megageek(Release 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 05/24/2012 17:26:51, Serialize complete at 05/24/2012 17:26:51 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Best paint for concrete block X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net About 12 years ago I painted the exterior of my concrete block buildings with HD Bear exterior latex paint. I did prime it with a primer for concrete block first (I don't know the brand or name, it was recommended by the guy at HD.) I applied 1 coat of primer, and 2 coats of paint with a paint sprayer. It still looks good today. I would imagine that no matter what paint you go with, make sure you clean AND PRIME the block first. That would be the most productive way to do it. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson Wayne Sent by: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net 05/24/2012 14:42 To Shop Talk List cc Subject [Shop-talk] Best paint for concrete block Hi Guys, My Dad bought a new house recently, with 2 car garage / shop / basement on the lower level. He wants to paint the concrete block walls for better lighting (reflectivity) and aesthetics. One wall is below grade, but has no signs of any moisture seepage in its 20 years, and the other is above (walk out.) What's the best kind of paint to use? I am NOT a fan of the "DryLok" stuff, and moisture isn't an issue anyway. Is something like a plain semi-gloss latex a good choice? -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 22:07:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFBF2D03F3 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 22:07:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278032D03D3 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 22:07:10 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fwQ/sL/M4AMhLBv0nheAhK6gmvg6PzGWvPcGvOdDMYcTab4ywwUt2YMD8dTvzPmG; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.48] (helo=elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SXloi-0007hV-JE; Fri, 25 May 2012 00:07:56 -0400 Received: from 99.129.208.33 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 25 May 2012 00:07:56 -0400 Message-ID: <367711.1337918876590.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 21:07:56 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: bk13 To: Wayne , Shop Talk List Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: f30ccafafe09714d4d2b10475b571120cd70b0fbf70af378ad007f4ada44c6a00b14a6482e5f59cf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.48 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Best paint for concrete block X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: bk13 List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wayne - I painted my old house - stucco and poured concrete foundation - with BEHR Interior/Exterior Masonry, Stucco and Brick Paint. It worked well and still looked good 9 years later when we sold the house. I sprayed it undiluted with a Wagner Power Painter. Brian -----Original Message----- >From: Wayne >Sent: May 24, 2012 11:46 AM >To: Shop Talk List >Subject: [Shop-talk] Best paint for concrete block > >Hi Guys, > >My Dad bought a new house recently, with 2 car garage / shop / basement on the lower level. > >He wants to paint the concrete block walls for better lighting (reflectivity) and aesthetics. One wall is below grade, but has no signs of any moisture seepage in its 20 years, and the other is above (walk out.) > >What's the best kind of paint to use? I am NOT a fan of the "DryLok" stuff, and moisture isn't an issue anyway. Is something like a plain semi-gloss latex a good choice? > >-Wayne >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 25 20:14:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7553C2D05D1 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 20:14:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375952D02CF for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 20:14:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lahi5 with SMTP id i5so1493544lah.14 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 19:15:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=np92I+E311iJkAut/xeEb5/eDOfWSW4tgj9ZagcXLhk=; b=WP3GOt0j68tE2X6iEO0S8cgeGW761H428a1FIb3yrqCgtx2C4DtweXr0DsRMWWgCN4 /E4PqgJclosbQFlRRh1cVUFaPwtXOP0NzCB8yw+PtP7M8mq+BmbWRiiwXuttDzSiCWYp mXdoYhT5b9Uh2WUdi1Vxq+US6H6sNnLDREUHw2/8TCNlImc9EguaBRxlhXin2wpYywYA b3jiimKabR2UkW8eDXyqrI0W/OKySaBU53ENxbHsp7etiqvQUr7VBFWTsjYdwGmZe52H fKfMv37zNA3KAVFuQYeGfvgijvJW8TQSj3yP/gL7fxE+ZyEDVdsA8tX9HDZdlbnkVypU AYMA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.114.106 with SMTP id jf10mr979741lab.16.1337998504231; Fri, 25 May 2012 19:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.49.65 with HTTP; Fri, 25 May 2012 19:15:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <856807F27C704C3A983F4CC9F5B3AE78@ranteer.local> References: <856807F27C704C3A983F4CC9F5B3AE78@ranteer.local> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 22:15:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: Doug Braun To: Dave , Shop-Talk X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQntuFJSZTBLeKIF1PRdyvHfDw/H4R1SjWWDDRGJBB+lI+2sgNPf/qJd6RY6PqgMJnmb2L4M X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Spits] master brake X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The seal is sort of dodgy: A flat part of the metal M/C presses against a flat part of the plastic reservoir, and there is a flat rubber washer between them. Given how much a new one costs, I would try some sort of sealant like hylomar or silicone first. Doug On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Dave wrote: > I believe the master brake reservoir is leaking between the plastic and the > metal. can I take it apart and put in a gasket or something? or should I > replace/rebuild the whole assembly? > _______________________________________________ > > Spitfires@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug@dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 25 21:20:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7715B2D0507 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 21:20:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DB92D04E0 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 21:20:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=pcg8HhPuxh0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=r_f6nxMYMrlseHxbzxYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 31/FC-05935-43C40CF4; Sat, 26 May 2012 03:21:25 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Shop-Talk'" References: <856807F27C704C3A983F4CC9F5B3AE78@ranteer.local> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 20:21:24 -0700 Message-ID: <022201cd3aee$a1e09590$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac065XuluQqpXqq3RMKrfAOGLLmaNQACGoSw In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Spits] master brake X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > A flat part of the metal M/C > presses against a > flat part of the plastic reservoir, and there is a > flat rubber washer between them. That sounds very similar to my Stags. The plastic reservoir had apparently warped until it no longer pressed firmly against the seal, so I carefully sanded it back flat, cleaned and reassembled. Worked great for me. I'm probably paranoid, but I won't use any sort of sealant on brake fittings. Hylomar uses a solvent that is likely not good for brake seals. I don't know what modern "sensor safe" silicone RTVs emit, but I'll bet there is something. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 26 10:42:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1839A2D044A for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 10:42:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D572D043E for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 10:42:38 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lbpi3Q+I5wWRnzmztkUk0EEov/kT3hAiQYKvTBJY1Hd4CV0citBAt99U74mRkvIy; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.32] (helo=elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SYK5N-0005zJ-KZ; Sat, 26 May 2012 12:43:25 -0400 Received: from 99.129.208.33 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sat, 26 May 2012 12:43:25 -0400 Message-ID: <29784161.1338050605347.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 12:43:25 -0400 (EDT) From: bk13 To: Dave , Shop-Talk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: f30ccafafe09714d4d2b10475b5711201b30e0ffda0792c651b83417230512aaa29c447f8fe0445b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.32 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Spits] master brake X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: bk13 List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Dave - I am assuming the Spit is like the TR6 and GT6. Make sure you have the washers under the screw heads or consider adding an extra washer. In my case, the screws were bottoming out in the threaded inserts in the plastic reservoir. Also, make sure someone didn't over torque the screws and pull out the inserts. You may want to put the reservoir on the M/C without the rubber washer and look and see that they go together flatly. If so, they reassemble with the washers. Note that if you over tighten the screws, you will deform the reservoir and have leakage at the middle of the seals. Brian with a 72 TR6 and 73 GT6 -----Original Message----- >From: Doug Braun >Sent: May 25, 2012 7:15 PM >To: Dave , Shop-Talk >Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Spits] master brake > >The seal is sort of dodgy: A flat part of the metal M/C presses against a >flat part of the plastic reservoir, and there is a >flat rubber washer between them. Given how much a new one costs, I would >try some sort of sealant like hylomar or silicone >first. > >Doug > >On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Dave wrote: > >> I believe the master brake reservoir is leaking between the plastic and the >> metal. can I take it apart and put in a gasket or something? or should I >> replace/rebuild the whole assembly? >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Spitfires@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug@dougbraun.com >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 27 12:08:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E093F2D0229 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 12:08:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C2F2D0216 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 12:08:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0469AE05B for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 11:09:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=groupwbench.org; h=from :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version; q=dns; s=groupwbench.org; b=A4Zt4btV39RfvpXT71 QRnm4GFWSnnLrOtg1LQDkmr1AtGIetqNPXSc9IbYChnoMwbXRvhk8fsPQ8t+QWKf XhbO9h75NZE3RiPag69Fp5/GCM9wH1/5FfD3+dsPGtzWBsCgFBQX07QjRT4/mFXV V/SaI87DQRC6R78E/3N2Id+0g= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=groupwbench.org; h=from :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version; s=groupwbench.org; bh=soQDkx72J28y25/4rZgk5h9U wh4=; b=CK8PM81MPHgU7glF7ZNH0QAZ8roQzDl2I9F/NfgCalZeXm4h/2ylLhrj 1fJYcIoGCloJ4tkV5YQuxvzCFTcyXVEeZC3uSYAylctZZI7eUQhv045K78e05ill RidiCC9BHLk//nBT7C6S8nJIuERvw0cPipnf34M7cClbklWLw3k= Received: from [192.168.1.2] (pool-98-118-109-103.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.109.103]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7D0FFAE059 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 11:09:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 14:09:32 -0400 Message-Id: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> To: shop-talk List Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [Shop-talk] Putting floor in attic - can't fit 4x8 sheets X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The way the house is constructed I can't get a 4x8 sheet into the attic. I can do a 4x4 and with some effort a 2x8, but none of those are t&g. Any options out there besides using some kind of Simpson Tie in place of the t&g edge support? thanks, _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 27 12:12:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120392D019D for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 12:12:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtpout001.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.172.220.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017532D019D for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 12:12:05 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.0.25] (97-120-65-150.ptld.qwest.net [97.120.65.150]) by st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0M4P00AQX1991SA0@st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sun, 27 May 2012 18:12:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-27_07:2012-05-21,2012-05-27,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205270200 From: Darrell Walker In-reply-to: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 11:12:45 -0700 Message-id: <3F827496-C10E-4FB3-AC5D-5C488478E4FD@mac.com> References: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> To: Jim Franklin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Putting floor in attic - can't fit 4x8 sheets X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On May 27, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > The way the house is constructed I can't get a 4x8 sheet into the attic. I can > do a 4x4 and with some effort a 2x8, but none of those are t&g. Sounds like an opportunity for a new tool! -Darrell _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 27 12:13:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48B02D029F for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 12:13:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.128]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2431A2D0205 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 12:13:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: ejrussell.mebtel.net Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-2-208.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.2.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4RIEMad027975; Sun, 27 May 2012 18:14:23 GMT Message-ID: <0D57C5AD00664BE796A6B1B862691B78@EricJRussellPC> From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Jim Franklin" , "shop-talk List" References: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> In-Reply-To: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 14:13:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=qYolJRn/oTh31rNzm38IznQNvKWlNg288z+AoIS6oJE= c=1 sm=1 a=kCyf-LkPa3gA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:17 a=8GN4XRofAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=7a_ovgjwoMrq9RNrLqsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=FibliMNvKBIA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.4FC26EFF.0086, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Putting floor in attic - can't fit 4x8 sheets X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Do you have a biscuit joiner? If not you now have a reason to own a biscuit joiner. Or glue/screw a backing piece under the unsupported areas. Eric Russell Mebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Franklin" To: "shop-talk List" Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 2:09 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Putting floor in attic - can't fit 4x8 sheets > The way the house is constructed I can't get a 4x8 sheet into the attic. I > can > do a 4x4 and with some effort a 2x8, but none of those are t&g. > > Any options out there besides using some kind of Simpson Tie in place of > the > t&g edge support? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 27 13:44:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C902D021D for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 13:44:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AC22D0198 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 13:44:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo109.cox.net ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120527194523.WSE18243.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo109.cox.net> for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 15:45:23 -0400 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.211.88]) by eastrmimpo109.cox.net with bizsmtp id F7lN1j00J1uzUvs027lPvU; Sun, 27 May 2012 15:45:23 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.4FC28453.0074,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=U4bzLHYK/hMbi+dRQmK6xmXVeithMQFYei0VEdFHmKo= c=1 sm=1 a=kCyf-LkPa3gA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=uMyTlBfukKJCgtmHy1UhRw==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=kys2UyXWj07vxxawFQMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=wMtn7zbtoEuODIVt:21 a=6AfLxn-yfygkLfaR:21 a=uMyTlBfukKJCgtmHy1UhRw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.1.20120527154027.04d5da50@cox.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 15:43:28 -0400 To: shop-talk List From: "John T. Blair" In-Reply-To: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> References: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Putting floor in attic - can't fit 4x8 sheets X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At 02:09 PM 5/27/2012, Jim Franklin wrote: >The way the house is constructed I can't get a 4x8 sheet into the attic. I can >do a 4x4 and with some effort a 2x8, but none of those are t&g. >Any options out there besides using some kind of Simpson Tie in place of the >t&g edge support? Jim, I'm not sure if you are planning on making this a finished area or not. But I just finished doing the same thing and had the same problem. The access would only allow a 2'x8' piece of plywood up into the attic. So that's what I did. But I didn't plan on using toung & grove to start with. I just butted the plywood piece up the best I could. This is raw, and only for walking and possible storage. So the fact that the pieces are "fit" together is no big deal. I'll send you a zip file of pictures of the job off-list. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 27 14:40:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B822D0285 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 14:40:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from rci1.airstreamcomm.net (rci1.airstreamcomm.net [68.65.40.30]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF722D020E for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 14:39:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail5.mwt.net ([207.190.94.125]) by rci1.airstreamcomm.net ({b41767c8-05d3-412c-bba5-a032a1ad4739}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120527203956132; Sun, 27 May 2012 20:39:56 +0000 X-RC-FROM: Received: from BobPC (98-143-227-89.coonvalley.mwt.net [98.143.227.89]) (user=bolin mech=LOGIN bits=0) by mail5.mwt.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q4RKdr0c024290; Sun, 27 May 2012 15:39:53 -0500 Message-ID: <16DCFD73795741F8BC2B3340474B261E@BobPC> From: "Bob Jeffers" To: "Jim Franklin" , "shop-talk List" References: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> In-Reply-To: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 15:39:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Putting floor in attic - can't fit 4x8 sheets X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I would just put a board floor in laying the boards diagonal. Then if you want to finish the floor later on or when ever just get the 1/4 inch plywood and fasten it on top of the boards and then you will never have a loose or sagging joint. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Franklin" To: "shop-talk List" Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 1:09 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Putting floor in attic - can't fit 4x8 sheets > The way the house is constructed I can't get a 4x8 sheet into the attic. I > can > do a 4x4 and with some effort a 2x8, but none of those are t&g. > > Any options out there besides using some kind of Simpson Tie in place of > the > t&g edge support? > > thanks, > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bolin@mwt.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 27 22:01:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03CBB2D01D8 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 22:01:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E492D01C4 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 22:01:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=rlLOzifTJpc9WH6xDVu1zA==:17 a=2Ff250KMfP8A:10 a=xvWorsz2vh0A:10 a=kCyf-LkPa3gA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=7i-3lLDWljw4rAgMs-sA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rlLOzifTJpc9WH6xDVu1zA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 70.122.200.92 Received: from [70.122.200.92] ([70.122.200.92:52266] helo=[192.168.0.196]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 62/65-05935-3C8F2CF4; Mon, 28 May 2012 04:02:11 +0000 Message-ID: <4FC2F8C2.8040607@tx.rr.com> Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 23:02:10 -0500 From: BJNoSHOV8 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> In-Reply-To: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Putting floor in attic - can't fit 4x8 sheets X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net What spans do you have between joists, what thickness of plywood were you planning, and what type of use are you planning for the floor? At first I was wondering why you would need T&G, but the answers to the questions above would help to define that. And then I thought that if you really wanted T&G you could just set up a router and after ripping the plywood to 2' widths you could add your own T&G. > The way the house is constructed I can't get a 4x8 sheet into the attic. I can > do a 4x4 and with some effort a 2x8, but none of those are t&g. > > Any options out there besides using some kind of Simpson Tie in place of the > t&g edge support? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 27 22:39:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7D02D02BF for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 22:39:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f169.google.com (mail-gh0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C012D0287 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 22:39:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ghrr18 with SMTP id r18so1397029ghr.14 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 21:40:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9HjCQoObQxct3b3bPoEgxUXdvX8nGXzz6ssEeiASdJQ=; b=l/9J9xdcnst102cD7hZlg5DUYD0rSRNMjsgzcOM1AIzvUOOKrJMuheHkkj+I6Rzi50 8AWkl8hzJxTifP4CmbqXabjTdBNh1VAl9D8LNS6BPCiC9fb4P2PVF7k/7xkEIr+n0x4t Im17djb9fYiKvMWh8y9+6Ilc9zwZFarQWxMAxdkLVsM9sd4g1MThyFHUCQAR0O0EYNjG HRgYe2me8O/g7UK2NE8KqoD7kzcvXZ3hyFAGoa47I5AelcIM2gUkJ87z13LFJ21wy0WI OGp8h/WxgWqXjiToVWqUvDuhk+u0FnOXIzAprlJ15j+aOjsPJ8TBd2gDssa1cIJhuu3l SCgA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.68.71 with SMTP id w7mr3520124ici.26.1338180007396; Sun, 27 May 2012 21:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.31.38 with HTTP; Sun, 27 May 2012 21:40:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FC2F8C2.8040607@tx.rr.com> References: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> <4FC2F8C2.8040607@tx.rr.com> Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 21:40:07 -0700 Message-ID: From: Shannah Miller To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Putting floor in attic - can't fit 4x8 sheets X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, I totally agree: if you really want T&G, routing your own seems like a reasonable idea, especially if you can dedicate a router to this job for the duration. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:02 PM, BJNoSHOV8 wrote: > What spans do you have between joists, what thickness of plywood were you > planning, and what type of use are you planning for the floor? > > At first I was wondering why you would need T&G, but the answers to the > questions above would help to define that. And then I thought that if you > really wanted T&G you could just set up a router and after ripping the > plywood to 2' widths you could add your own T&G. > > >> The way the house is constructed I can't get a 4x8 sheet into the attic. I >> can >> do a 4x4 and with some effort a 2x8, but none of those are t&g. >> >> Any options out there besides using some kind of Simpson Tie in place of >> the >> t&g edge support? > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shannahquilts@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 06:13:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E2A2D02C3 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 06:13:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193A92D02A7 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 05:49:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A32A8064 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 04:50:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=groupwbench.org; h=content-type :mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; q=dns; s= groupwbench.org; b=jmtXzerH43fSwgCfgFo1blUfau8Un2L3ccxwNehAwyz2y y9nsm237qQ8rZ1y/TogUEXnUDgCr0ioeSlu45fG6Ztfswh9b2trEdlXmd/dZVxWc 8htCnr8uhYXAVFeZDFaU6Eh9DlzvmHZpSKvuFrMeJXQO8/ZXt8s2Ss/WXJeHLE= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=groupwbench.org; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=6XaNSOsy8pDungOsOMMBoo7+ta0=; b=M2YdQPQoHbmM cV5NubvvLp5u/aCxCssumWp/Ivl7XhNhlzhAFCy68VjgMpXTDXaiOhnLlfCHE1+T 8yGHYyjf9SwfpHA4sPtEXZEEhp4xtggVP0ggu9uX2dhu23gSt9b+yUvFSjjqUZ0y XN46v8cN7X71bcC2xv1D7zNtvvEuu6k= Received: from [192.168.1.2] (pool-98-118-109-103.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.109.103]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 26F26A8061 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 04:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Jim Franklin In-Reply-To: <4FC2F8C2.8040607@tx.rr.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 07:50:42 -0400 Message-Id: <7A4623FE-43D7-4D6E-B54F-34FDF68FE482@groupwbench.org> References: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> <4FC2F8C2.8040607@tx.rr.com> To: shop-talk List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Putting floor in attic - can't fit 4x8 sheets X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net 16oc spans, 5/8 or 3/4 plywood/osb, storage of "stuff" i.e. dead loads. I like t&g so I know I'm not going to overload an edge accidentally, or if the next owner wants to use it for live loads and won't curse me like I'm cursing the PO for using 1/2" and 3/8"). But not enough to buy a router and set up a table to route all these boards :-) The blocking ideas would work but there's insulation in the way. Sounds like butt edges will be good enough! jim On May 28, 2012, at 12:02 AM, BJNoSHOV8 wrote: > What spans do you have between joists, what thickness of plywood were you planning, and what type of use are you planning for the floor? > > At first I was wondering why you would need T&G, but the answers to the questions above would help to define that. And then I thought that if you really wanted T&G you could just set up a router and after ripping the plywood to 2' widths you could add your own T&G. > >> The way the house is constructed I can't get a 4x8 sheet into the attic. I can >> do a 4x4 and with some effort a 2x8, but none of those are t&g. >> >> Any options out there besides using some kind of Simpson Tie in place of the >> t&g edge support? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 07:02:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2EA2D02C6 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 07:02:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1072D0298 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 06:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lbjn8 with SMTP id n8so2749374lbj.14 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 05:31:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=/WUoPvmezqCMOzPse42YosrWMbCnyl2Vd7ummrcIAV8=; b=a6mmFaP0DEwLJSu2grFEAcYWSa+at/PI+UOp+eOZfy6y2Pg+1iEIgVrn6AEiHEcmvC nwbkbTHGFKDLB/j6LSmjq0EPGL9YzgX6S+amnUwF1wFVeapl7zqJDhoJNbIxcndj3ax/ 1ZeA825DKZqjYS0bdAHg1384iPTOAh7vwxtw6hoTah2587q4qDc4fINYPZdoCWkWBjFz jt371TsAmSIgsQjn5Og+D70ZZgJyTshXhChhRkym+QoSSZ5VuYhDds0Xe5sECTqn6+qr 7tsh+2MAUdB7KnT6WcEPJDfi3XFCBPdXdEOWPsQKryhLhX164k3uKHrJl2Shc8EFiJ0z qmbg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.122.12 with SMTP id lo12mr8300097lab.3.1338208293081; Mon, 28 May 2012 05:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.49.65 with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2012 05:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.49.65 with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2012 05:31:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7A4623FE-43D7-4D6E-B54F-34FDF68FE482@groupwbench.org> References: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> <4FC2F8C2.8040607@tx.rr.com> <7A4623FE-43D7-4D6E-B54F-34FDF68FE482@groupwbench.org> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 08:31:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: Doug Braun To: Jim Franklin X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkPH59Ejr0NdpgvJS2MAVPx2KGJpZOCzF8B70dOC/du4Pbb3ATRnEGI5IjatgENpJ2CtAKw X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Putting floor in attic - can't fit 4x8 sheets X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Can a lumber yard order old-style tongue-and-groove flooring? Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 07:33:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B074C2D02BD for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 07:33:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872032D027A for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 07:18:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so2249220yhr.14 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 06:19:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XErzwg16aLC8YuXN5cyUMkeMND15nuWss51em9gdQqY=; b=n5JT4tTJhr1a5lUUfldY/oJqTpYtiMol5fcEgI1CcpxWle71O8cxqIaPO4RwNy3gDv Bu+pQYDZcaJKAYWTYpgchLkK+Hj8PLMODS72ATfwJW+R0epmwbp0HXHgC2qCrvMAAefs qKT0s0W3sis1N1gCqb1Ii7o71ZHMJ3IkDnwlatYjLJYRJmQbAIC68gkTjcB5xDCKVlYg aFwMi+eGy+D3w5uDiGUeLmyxJkbt1BY/Qe1pHPx4kMTaa2zhGezjwIEovWLpwZB81ZU/ 59D3KmPzyXuXvDK9FtuF/IsS4qc38qyvIK+LquxqJQOIl+zG2BRl0WqswFgFWrhp5onz OdhQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.140.70 with SMTP id re6mr4571964igb.23.1338211140445; Mon, 28 May 2012 06:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.27.38 with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2012 06:19:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> <4FC2F8C2.8040607@tx.rr.com> <7A4623FE-43D7-4D6E-B54F-34FDF68FE482@groupwbench.org> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:19:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Putting floor in attic - can't fit 4x8 sheets X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Doug Braun wrote: > Can a lumber yard order old-style tongue-and-groove flooring? I thought I had seen once a plywood attic floor panel that was made to go through a small access hole. But I found this: http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=100482715 which seems interesting. Another site mentioned 1x6 #3 spruce boards as a good alternative to plywood.... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 08:17:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23912D02BF for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:17:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6650E2D02B0 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 07:55:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo306.cox.net ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120528135616.XUNT8874.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo306.cox.net> for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:56:16 -0400 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.211.88]) by eastrmimpo306.cox.net with bizsmtp id FRve1j0061uzUvs02RwFTb; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:56:16 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4FC38400.0014,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=dNOJEUGZcFs5STy3k3rINHH9Rbwl7Iu0A7suO5q4evY= c=1 sm=1 a=kCyf-LkPa3gA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=uMyTlBfukKJCgtmHy1UhRw==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=kys2UyXWj07vxxawFQMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=IKyBPdGDs7Yix38C:21 a=aEZZZonjDE5UgG08:21 a=uMyTlBfukKJCgtmHy1UhRw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.1.20120528094613.04f40680@cox.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:50:34 -0400 To: shop-talk List From: "John T. Blair" In-Reply-To: <7A4623FE-43D7-4D6E-B54F-34FDF68FE482@groupwbench.org> References: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> <4FC2F8C2.8040607@tx.rr.com> <7A4623FE-43D7-4D6E-B54F-34FDF68FE482@groupwbench.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Putting floor in attic - can't fit 4x8 sheets X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At 07:50 AM 5/28/2012, Jim Franklin wrote: >16oc spans, 5/8 or 3/4 plywood/osb, storage of "stuff" i.e. dead loads. >I like t&g so I know I'm not going to overload an edge accidentally, or if the >next owner wants to use it for live loads and won't curse me like I'm cursing >the PO for using 1/2" and 3/8"). But not enough to buy a router and set up a >table to route all these boards :-) Well I had 1/2" plywood wasn't happy with it, too flimsy. Felt like I was going to fall through. So I just set another piece of 1/2" plywood or press board on top. That helped by I still didn't like it, and I wasn't covering as much of the area as I wanted. So in March the wife and I pulled all the junk out of the attic, then started removing some of the old decking and replacing it with 3/4" plywood. Turned out pretty nice. Now all we have to do is go through all the junk we took out of the attic, and throw a bunch of it away. What's left goes back into the attic. But that will have to wait until it cools off. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. 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In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 08:21:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45822D02FD for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:21:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869522D028A for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:08:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-197-149.morrisbb.com [173.246.197.149] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4SE9Nnj001225 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:09:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Message-ID: <4FC3870E.6000608@xxiii.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:09:18 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> <4FC2F8C2.8040607@tx.rr.com> <7A4623FE-43D7-4D6E-B54F-34FDF68FE482@groupwbench.org> In-Reply-To: <7A4623FE-43D7-4D6E-B54F-34FDF68FE482@groupwbench.org> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Putting floor in attic - can't fit 4x8 sheets X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/28/2012 7:50 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > The blocking ideas would work but there's insulation in the way. Was wondering about the insulation issue myself. Room mate & I had a rental house 20 years ago -- we wanted storage, but had limited space between the roof truss beams, and lots of blown in fiberglass we didn't want to compromise. And a lease that said we weren't allow to make modifications to the structure. We nailed or screwed 2x6es across the trusses above the insulation level, then used 2x8' plywood, as you suggested. Was probably about 8x16 feet finished. It was just for storage, so it was ok there was a little flex between panels. They make those metal "H" clips for roof sheathing - would those work for you? -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 08:22:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58EA2D0300 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:22:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-65-40-236-36.sta.embarqhsd.net [65.40.236.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3332D0219 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:21:22 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.2 September 26, 2006 Message-ID: From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:17:11 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DOGBERT2/Megageek(Release 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 05/28/2012 10:17:22, Serialize complete at 05/28/2012 10:17:22 Subject: [Shop-talk] Repairing a fiberglass maul handle X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, I bought a HD maul with a fiberglass handle. I've used it for over 20 cords of wood already in the past 2 years. Here is a link to it on their site... > http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100387771/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=maul&storeId=10051 < As the reviews will tell you, they separate at the top. Now, its not really broken, just separated. Does anyone know of any kind of epoxy that I could use on it? The fit is still good, in fact I split about another 1/8 of a cord after it broke yesterday just by putting it back on after every 4th or 5th log. Any ideas? TIA Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 08:26:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EF32D02C6 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:26:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0602D0271 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:25:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=N5qr5hBB c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kCyf-LkPa3gA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=fOGRzIKj_2JbmxB2Qv8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 6E/96-01555-32B83CF4; Mon, 28 May 2012 14:26:44 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'shop-talk List'" References: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 07:26:43 -0700 Message-ID: <047201cd3cdd$e821f170$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac08M/LpluOkU3/ATZOxIf6zrcSmvAAqV1pw In-Reply-To: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Putting floor in attic - can't fit 4x8 sheets X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Any options out there besides using some kind of Simpson Tie > in place of the > t&g edge support? How about ripping the 4x8 sheets to match your beam spacing (eg 16") and then using a 2x4 stringer every 8' to support the edges? That's basically what I've been doing, although I'm lucky enough to be able to get a 32" by 8' piece in (so I only need to rip each sheet once). Even T&G is pretty weak for using without a subfloor IMO, unless you've gone overboard on the floor thickness. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 10:55:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB332D021C for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:55:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721A92D01C9 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:52:34 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=QFkeEUicHQjw1MngDgcRa/1j0aIrKgx4J2zT4yL0OkCmc/oINWj0tosl69mlwwKU; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.129.25.163] (helo=[192.168.1.68]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SZ3C4-0005Uz-42 for Shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:53:20 -0400 Message-ID: <4FC3AD46.6070006@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:52:22 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shop-Talk X-ELNK-Trace: f30ccafafe09714d4d2b10475b57112018bc6305bb995a183f79045115f5ad3cdf5ce7d25d4e1dc5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.129.25.163 Subject: [Shop-talk] Attic storage - track and platform system X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The talk about attic storage has me again wondering about a track and platform system - think railroad. Has anyone made or seen a track that could move 2' x 4' plywood platforms without too much resistance? Something like this would allow me to access most of the seasonal stuff I occasionally need without having to climb in the attic. My lower pitched California roof also means I have to crawl everywhere up in the attic. My initial thought was four fixed castors at each end of the platform. Two vertical to carry the load and two horizontal to ride between the rails and keep the platform on track. The track would probably be 2x4's across the joists and a double layer of 3/4" plywood cut for the corners. I'm not sure what the radius would need to be, but I would like at least part of an oval. I probably could not move cars that made a full oval. The cars would be joined with a 1x2" of enough length that the cars wouldn't touch on the corners. I also had a thought to use plastic pipe for the track - conduit, ABS, or PVC cut in half to form a channel with only the vertical wheels. My goal here is to have a system that is easy to get in and once in, means I don't have to climb up in the attic and crawl around. Any been there, done that is appreciated. Thanks, Brian _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 11:50:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6382D02B8 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:50:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484682D0206 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so2791618ggm.14 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:51:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+A9fSbgGUzPOdykvlDwiDDWCJoR2p5MPTgyRRFwiXKA=; b=TJS+o3SinyOd1abnXMuD4OzdIGsrxv1aflK5DgqpuRXvNXnJktsLkeBxCREQEB46px ResAQF5Jt+GNiKT7cPx2mBuLqPo4HMBdi0Ymk2izRAq4j60VN7Fu3vJIIEE5hu4kfipA wBW4RFft5iV66Mqn+Re+WINStEbZYWhK6JmmSIvWIFgaeFLmoWw9yTUudbCsYe+ILd+v DdtbyFgumrg6iFx0af/HSqfaOJ/uOtHPPNy1uLu9mEGIHrsP4W9CDN0kLk/ETAJWYUns L/wbQ4mw7jTj6S7QmcDrLs/Rn/IOoIg8nHr6eqIqzfCHHas9vlrZKpuaePKHq3q8gspP sVKw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.222.202 with SMTP id qo10mr5158732igc.0.1338227462622; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.173.105 with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:51:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FC3AD46.6070006@earthlink.net> References: <4FC3AD46.6070006@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:51:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: John Innis To: Brian Kemp X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Attic storage - track and platform system X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Not sure how it would work in your application (radiused corners), but I have seen something similar done with overhead door tracks. They were only used for straight sections, and for light loads ( think the most we ever had on a "platform" was 50#), but they worked great. If that is not going to work for you I have also seen on TV where guys have made the same type of thing out of angle iron and castors. Kinda like you described, they had one castor riding on the horizontal part of the angle to take the weight, and on the vertical to "steer". Much more weight capacity, but harder to work with when cutting and "bending" the "track". It looked like they cut the angle at about 30 degree angles and welded it together in short sections to make curves. The radius would probably depend on how long your platforms were. I seem to recall from my model railroad days that longer platforms require wider radius turns, or the ability for the axles to pivot with respect to the platform, like the trucks of a rail car. On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Brian Kemp wrote: > The talk about attic storage has me again wondering about a track and > platform system - think railroad. Has anyone made or seen a track that > could move 2' x 4' plywood platforms without too much resistance? > Something like this would allow me to access most of the seasonal stuff I > occasionally need without having to climb in the attic. My lower pitched > California roof also means I have to crawl everywhere up in the attic. > > My initial thought was four fixed castors at each end of the platform. > Two vertical to carry the load and two horizontal to ride between the > rails and keep the platform on track. The track would probably be 2x4's > across the joists and a double layer of 3/4" plywood cut for the corners. > I'm not sure what the radius would need to be, but I would like at least > part of an oval. I probably could not move cars that made a full oval. > > The cars would be joined with a 1x2" of enough length that the cars > wouldn't touch on the corners. > > I also had a thought to use plastic pipe for the track - conduit, ABS, or > PVC cut in half to form a channel with only the vertical wheels. > > My goal here is to have a system that is easy to get in and once in, means > I don't have to climb up in the attic and crawl around. > > Any been there, done that is appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Brian > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/jdinnis@**gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 12:13:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7D22D0279 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:13:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D572A2D0262 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 18:10:55 -0000 Received: from [209.191.108.97] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 18:10:55 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.112] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 18:10:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 18:10:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 924412.30317.bm@omp1017.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 50162 invoked by uid 60001); 28 May 2012 18:10:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1338228654; bh=Z22+ievnb3zPq7Set8FgZ//Ne+zHa3YqPsAuZbAZv38=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Bo7TQJY+MV8uPFCBYWRIMqHAagq+Pe7lFztsNd4ZgFnvLvkaF+JxMeeRPb2zN+AorysjYcda0JnI61jnup2pqUaHv8Ai9suy0upNdPlnsxs9HC2XhSRLdmQZ49LSVxsXG32/wxVmbzwaV+VONy/6jFJVjE5NYV1sqNyWQV88P+A= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SN2uKDY63qhpv1euXv7czkwKb3vhNL4CiMAvXLPlV9VJitIDsF5bo/s76X5/h9XJp5t6diF6EVOiWKTU7cyUOZLDqMfbR/S8hXyytEuYi+mTcb7BU1SfDTvAhPufV9dMbG7jXfYOuyST3/qt8jXF+Pon9pjrw0aOCmmd+/lHg/I=; X-YMail-OSG: 94nvstoVM1nXez6m_ibkXc6cgmWTEgIqM5sBpSnhE3tQx6m yjEhJ3qkRePOwnduvbv.8lPD4oUgZX8fEdFBJoHzC0gcudBs1j0dd6axcnmR OHDJX1wjCZz74Quu4PVIzSIqME9sYbdPLQhEw9.oj48AFQZ942IhRpyzRcJ2 4MB_O8DiQTTWc4_RsBNRzLANrwkOo8OQ9p.mF4_tgxexbhs2Hv0DPeeHVOHO WT8aMREWmY8_5RX7jGcP6882OxldlI.j63YOwJKV.1yArAc.03GvsQJQsiBB k3y_dLxgLZgLfSwayDwYxAbC6y4Z2JkW45rzgx0vpZsS7cnB5ZuqIUJyPy.C c4NrnuiIAje6fWCZgmY.PxIwi7AqSqwhsiZ4WKC6URXxgD.WzWqoSCe4oxv4 .iEkJNijq3O_T9cDIXmx5BHE4VfJh71R1IRwobKifR.0cs3olVtH0uDO1O6Y g.q9jmWZa8NlfR389EgWrtvbtHe_1_E42ZEQVub4WYMkPAJbH.s0- Received: from [66.143.47.184] by web184718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:10:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FC3AD46.6070006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1338228654.44749.YahooMailNeo@web184718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:10:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Rand E To: Shop-Talk In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Attic storage - track and platform system X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rand E List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net How about something like the old-time cars at Six Flags or Worlds of Fun. They have a single beam run down the center of the course and under the car there is a bumper several inches to either side that slides along the beam. The wheels are out at the corners for support but the distance between the bumper and the beam allows the driver to have some input where the car goes but still keep the car from running off the track area. Randy _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 14:03:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A763C2D02BF for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 14:03:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C622D01AE for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 14:01:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120528200234.LWJH10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11>; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:02:34 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id FY2Q1j00H0x0GZM05Y2Qvz; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:02:24 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=cMgGpCxuRLEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=tovboKjFSgkA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:17 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=Z7itauT5AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=lZIdNLOYanIFOpEldd8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=fN2J7l6Gh3oA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:117 Received: from [75.134.19.20] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:02:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 16:02:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: eric@megageek.com Message-ID: <4a4e7988.2689c4.137950ad7d4.Webtop.44@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 44 X-Originating-IP: [75.134.19.20] Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Repairing a fiberglass maul handle X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="no" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net JB Weld? On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 9:17 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, I bought a HD maul with a fiberglass handle. I've used it for > over 20 cords of wood already in the past 2 years. Here is a link to > it on their site... > >> > > http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100387771/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=maul&storeId=10051 > < > > As the reviews will tell you, they separate at the top. Now, its not > really broken, just separated. Does anyone know of any kind of epoxy > that I could use on it? > > The fit is still good, in fact I split about another 1/8 of a cord > after it broke yesterday just by putting it back on after every 4th or > 5th log. > > Any ideas? TIA > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 16:55:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BB22D0330 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:55:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.253]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4071C2D02FD for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:33:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 22:34:05 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.226] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 22:34:05 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.100] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 22:34:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 22:34:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 874271.94837.bm@omp1005.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 25907 invoked from network); 28 May 2012 22:34:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1338244445; bh=yUNabObFxod8HwPgnQvIqfk3omg7qxnMN0AlUgGKUlc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=lfFf1O45qBFX0iCREUdJ7jp4ZDiR+2B8DdTV8YfJ0tKaGCArkRm2T5B4amzAcBk+6bNaf7YWKPbuqcFl00V01QnyX8MLS10SbrRYZ8YZtXaJyZKz8i/f9TKMejrRjHNsf1ZEav/H8Q/QBDTywCHJ1sy9pb3y/NwMXuZqLL8STBs= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: TsyGhgUVM1nNQ8eb3XpFyCJxSF8L6vh8v6V.BrJ2HRdMk5C lp.MGa9MgIKSJRlvU3mnUgbxuDqk1Yv_r67Xi1kki4Y82tgQlFNpsl2vKJfy JJT4Y55ng4ZDisYaT3tpTPGPqVOFeekRKcG4ve.f.3ylFd.Z71IVeZ_wMGaF .TZjsGjES_vlRQ0rRCZQ7T.depduCxgokUsAeGIYXIHdMg1gKa75kI7d3iUh v9h8iDGE6Vx.Hi_tE2ivhiUpMv5touOkK5naZaz_FCFlMQ.EO4qOITAPzd0h 1LCdasMiN3W4v2CuMnxPXn_Sa3Qs3ap9Pi0Mb4QJZ5kaKBBiFv.LCRN5wuCo kXngwev6hO5jrZlNbqDGT.ZFZvTOiEQqwNSzLwK37P.GqQQP3diQGSHLZ96D gSTeb5UNCx8zUOS1cWmK2CqaqfMprvhAIqXtkmtpbKeMYGQz3nEK7zBSgCsC WIx49lm2pHbWJiBFygXD4tnwVHisVjEl.yZsunCYG2B3dVfXkvGQLJqWszGw OzR.MWx5rqKsBjlrpgJQErrMaOEG6wlCEzgNwP3Fq_flElxgRE6UdEUtfZ8g MuLmdZ5CdV6EkbhgSmBkNwJXTXGuZ03RM7wlD X-Yahoo-SMTP: 3dtw6zqswBAYSj6AeGVzA8W9QZCvdznm4FQr Received: from EntCentPC (jibjib@168.103.149.20 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2012 15:34:05 -0700 PDT From: "Jack Brooks" To: References: <4a4e7988.2689c4.137950ad7d4.Webtop.44@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <4a4e7988.2689c4.137950ad7d4.Webtop.44@charter.net> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 15:34:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac09DQ1DsTULnXh5SMisRCgQwKWcwgAFEsdA Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Repairing a fiberglass maul handle X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Slow cure marine epoxy. You want slow cure because it'll cure stronger and you want a flexible epoxy, or it'll break again. Jack -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 1:02 PM To: eric@megageek.com Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Repairing a fiberglass maul handle JB Weld? On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 9:17 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, I bought a HD maul with a fiberglass handle. I've used it for > over 20 cords of wood already in the past 2 years. Here is a link to > it on their site... > >> > > http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100387771/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalo gId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=maul&storeId=10051 > < > > As the reviews will tell you, they separate at the top. Now, its not > really broken, just separated. Does anyone know of any kind of epoxy > that I could use on it? > > The fit is still good, in fact I split about another 1/8 of a cord > after it broke yesterday just by putting it back on after every 4th or > 5th log. > > Any ideas? TIA > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 19:51:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3992D0271 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 19:51:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815BE2D01B8 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 19:51:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Fdpy1j0011wpRvQ58dsFxf; Tue, 29 May 2012 01:52:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.82.100] ([71.235.119.87]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FdsE1j00W1tDsSn3edsFRc; Tue, 29 May 2012 01:52:15 +0000 Message-ID: <4FC42BDF.2070702@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 21:52:31 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Franklin References: <85F438BC-2F25-440F-B765-5DCC14738523@groupwbench.org> <4FC2F8C2.8040607@tx.rr.com> <7A4623FE-43D7-4D6E-B54F-34FDF68FE482@groupwbench.org> In-Reply-To: <7A4623FE-43D7-4D6E-B54F-34FDF68FE482@groupwbench.org> Cc: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Putting floor in attic - can't fit 4x8 sheets X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/28/2012 7:50 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > 16oc spans, 5/8 or 3/4 plywood/osb, storage of "stuff" i.e. dead loads. > > I like t&g so I know I'm not going to overload an edge accidentally, or if the > next owner wants to use it for live loads and won't curse me like I'm cursing > the PO for using 1/2" and 3/8"). But not enough to buy a router and set up a > table to route all these boards :-) > > The blocking ideas would work but there's insulation in the way. > > Sounds like butt edges will be good enough! If you can get 4'x4' sheets up there, then cutting T&G 4x8 sheets in half is what I would do. Reassemble the two 4x4 into a 4x8 sheet with the cut over a joist where you really don't need the T&G. This way you still have T&G joints perpendicular to the joists. Also stagger the sheets so the cuts on the same joist. Usually with 4x8 you stagger the each sheet by 4 feet; start row with a full sheet and the next row with a half sheet. In your case I would stagger the second row by only 16" and the third row by 32" Peter T. > > jim > > On May 28, 2012, at 12:02 AM, BJNoSHOV8 wrote: > >> What spans do you have between joists, what thickness of plywood were you > planning, and what type of use are you planning for the floor? >> At first I was wondering why you would need T&G, but the answers to the > questions above would help to define that. And then I thought that if you > really wanted T&G you could just set up a router and after ripping the plywood > to 2' widths you could add your own T&G. >>> The way the house is constructed I can't get a 4x8 sheet into the attic. I > can >>> do a 4x4 and with some effort a 2x8, but none of those are t&g. >>> >>> Any options out there besides using some kind of Simpson Tie in place of > the >>> t&g edge support? >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 08:38:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3F12D0425 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 08:38:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A5E2D03FB for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 08:32:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so11803843obb.14 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:33:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=UImCz8v/rvkFs3yBvLVJM1REp7ocbyiERzX8H8UFd44=; b=CNKlPXBoyHRmmeUDaWvjyUOZwN0tBn+rdVj3W2T2l7wGL7gUBQ7TMy4ieE1J2SUUyZ rJRW0dIiGWxTJuHhDRHsE0dU/71urOLY5TQ0WjiJnHmQyzE6MLT5v0igbsNfNsYhB2nL c5B4VE/uTH+iIpAr7h3Qn+FB9tbN4LgIeWHxyDCzXxwbaxXtuvlxd6weYdY2WD4v67AH LlOYs92HeCp1BN1BVd3Ds2l/oWeQX+nkCwrSsI8rKpxvizSP0jp14sRMlfZ3lzkPWDks S80xcT9n2TCNM4eblQk1DSP1q/F8JfTw0XuAdFb8zN5+Y3405IwabA33n+M+hvc+kYhD DbXQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.235.16 with SMTP id ui16mr10223680obc.61.1338388405427; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.121.8 with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 09:33:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Shop-talk] Workmate leg pad replacements X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've got an old Workmate (model 79-001, I think) that I need replacement rubber "feet" for. I've not been able to find OEM replacements, Black & Decker part # 975959. Basically these are rectangular rubber feet 1" x 1 3/8" x maybe 2" tall. Any suggestions regarding Non OEM replacements, or rolling my own? TIA, Ron _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 08:54:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED712D041B for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 08:54:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from gateway08.websitewelcome.com (gateway08.websitewelcome.com [69.56.170.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080FD2D03DD for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 08:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by gateway08.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 795087A916797; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:51:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator52.hostgator.com (gator52.hostgator.com [184.173.194.222]) by gateway08.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6F77A9166FE for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:51:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from leexray by gator52.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SZkFh-0003Oh-6e; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:51:57 -0500 Received: from 208.87.137.231 ([208.87.137.231]) (proxying for 208.23.240.1) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by www.automate-it.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:51:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3f2196d8ede201abec596e0fb4f09b07.squirrel@www.automate-it.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 09:51:57 -0500 From: "Lee Daniels" To: "Ronnie Day" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator52.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32208 500] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - automate-it.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: /var/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /var/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src X-Source-Auth: leexray X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: bGVleHJheTtsZWV4cmF5O2dhdG9yNTIuaG9zdGdhdG9yLmNvbQ== Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Workmate leg pad replacements X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net There seem to be several different models that were actually called "79-001". This place has parts: http://goo.gl/v0Q0V but you may need to look carefully at the drawings/photos to figure out if they have the right one for you. - Lee > I've got an old Workmate (model 79-001, I think) that I need replacement > rubber "feet" for. I've not been able to find OEM replacements, Black & > Decker part # 975959. Basically these are rectangular rubber feet 1" x 1 > 3/8" x maybe 2" tall. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 13:00:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0722E2D031B for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:00:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A662D02CD for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:00:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-197-149.morrisbb.com [173.246.197.149] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4UJ1VVF010114 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 15:01:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Message-ID: <4FC66E85.9090106@xxiii.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 15:01:25 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Workmate leg pad replacements X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net "You can get [pretty much] anything you want" at McMasterCarr http://www.mcmaster.com/ On 5/30/2012 10:33 AM, Ronnie Day wrote: > I've got an old Workmate (model 79-001, I think) that I need replacement > rubber "feet" for. I've not been able to find OEM replacements, Black& > Decker part # 975959. Basically these are rectangular rubber feet 1" x 1 > 3/8" x maybe 2" tall. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 13:49:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DED2D0379 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:49:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D912D0425 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:48:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Trace: 587386787/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$THROTTLED_STATIC/f2s-temporary-group/88.110.248.125/None/nick@landform.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.110.248.125 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: nick@landform.co.uk X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAJx5xk9Ybvh9/2dsb2JhbAANN7cvAQEBBDhAARALGAkWDwkDAgECAUUGDQEHAQHBKIsPhTwDlieELYU/h1k X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,686,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="587386787" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 88-110-248-125.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO [192.168.1.104]) ([88.110.248.125]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 30 May 2012 20:49:05 +0100 Message-ID: <4FC679B0.1030906@landform.co.uk> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:49:04 +0100 From: nick brearley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ronnie Day References: In-Reply-To: Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Workmate leg pad replacements X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ronnie Day wrote: > I've got an old Workmate (model 79-001, I think) that I need replacement > rubber "feet" for. I've not been able to find OEM replacements, Black& > Decker part # 975959. Basically these are rectangular rubber feet 1" x 1 > 3/8" x maybe 2" tall. > > Any suggestions regarding Non OEM replacements, or rolling my own? > > Here's a number of parts drawings that might give some pointers: http://tinyurl.com/6ngon7j I bought a foot from them earlier in the year. Bit slow but can't quibble with the price. Don't know if they do international sales... Nick Brearley _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 17:13:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4250E2D0391 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 17:13:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 022812D038B for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 17:12:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2012 23:13:15 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.85] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2012 23:13:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2012 23:13:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 343671.53855.bm@omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 71805 invoked from network); 30 May 2012 23:13:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1338419594; bh=g5oCy4S4O1EaQf0okINBZG2lOzpwDeu2pj4u7klBX70=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=lesHG0Yybd4MAD+fRdM06FqoRS7CFDsVWWm1WRbQvUaPnrcbe19sk5dpV4xl2U19cD5XRd6k2efyV4o7F3Fm7A1/+LUeYRsFTEBrVPZWdwCN/9eNPBrsgNc9wUuK9ASiN2C4xD5+uR0ydKmigSaLg0TSheabELQRwrUBUENiTCQ= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 29uOYssVM1mBsDYfcPngKxy5s7bTw71ukPRFOs5GSthlBMc 5KRjgtUt8x.DcUegf90LH2pUXZZNJbOwODHkmYQK4vGILvWfKlLMMjcqFGo5 3SbQ5mhyJlhVSbdranyUrlMDlRYsVVh661lZO9VIrOiX0f0B41AauwcjGAcq lbS_Wch.LsWkATR.AUY2pbFuKUTxe.b4zOtePh2yPYJYBEL0LpkOREHORD3Y Okui43EWuMs4IoyMtyvMF6MFfjcI01GWDb9S6vJOBozM4miVhyZwk925Sy_b kcGI3HY9Sc_FBVEJkaLD_0WK1LlRekpIzbe3d.YTd9qyLjx5cEwcKZR4HcmQ HEJeg5tPiHTSVt8xfmobP3lR4z03glcutmSqVwGFCXte3ypFVXx1SrkHI5B0 - X-Yahoo-SMTP: N1vUKuCswBBFA6w98oBmnWwA.ZnMue1mJ2F6zw-- Received: from john5043a2d406 (jniolon@108.227.226.77 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2012 16:13:14 -0700 PDT Message-ID: From: "John Niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:12:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Shop-talk] car hauler tralier advise. X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Well, my Bobcat 250 welder/trailer is on the sale block and as soon as it has a lucky new owner my search for a open car hauler will begin. Well, actually I'm looking now but lack of funds takes a lot of the fun out of it.. I see lots of options and I'm sure it depends on what you're gonna haul, how far and how much $$$ you have My tow vehicle is a 2008 Suburban with a 5.3 L Vortec. It has the towing package and the recommended GVW is 8100 #. My towed vehicle will be a '53 F-100 ford pickup... with a curb weight of 3500 to 3800 pounds. I see lots of different designs channel, tube, but the most seem to be channel frame in either 4" or 5" or 6" and either 3500" axles or 5K axles with either 1 or 2 axle brakes... some with breakaway setup some without... aluminum would be sweet but out of the budget...by the way budget would be 2500 or less.... or a little more if I found an excellent buy (like a trailer worth 4K for 2800. Oh wait... that's the other guys deal, not mine. I want slide in ramps, perferably rear entry to cut down on the carrying them around ... I'm favoring D-rings over stake pockets cause I want to use wheel type tiedowns... but that is something I can add myself and is no deal breaker... all the rest will be optional... I have a winch I can add on if needed although I plan on driving it on. Removable fender would be nice but nothing that can't be fabricated if needed. Steel deck is my favorite just from a maintenance standpoint.. and weight. all of the above is depending on $$$ and availability. So I'm looking for suggestions, ideas, warnings, brand recommendations..etc... educate me on car haulers oh, and ask me about my welder/trailer if you're interested.. thanks John I'm sarcastic... what's your superpower ? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 19:06:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4622D030F for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:06:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64772D02D6 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:05:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so521338ggm.14 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:06:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=7Za00eUWVmdXfJ8wsjA+j8Rtn4NXnd5yZmwNzuvh9vs=; b=YOZTt12PR8pp6t7YDXPoObZcztUkzO2oAV3gVZphJPoqdgJLF/m6uD/OtkoQ2JJc4q k4fiF26ukCu949+zlgN9g9JPHJ8CyRAHUlkn1Rdyb89+Z8j0gAXojNKtYu25EE2spOqH 2RJZI/lc+8iOJy99AlBM03Yfa9t9B7J4XjRm3wsEUua5gjj1O/xS6UwMMB0G019vO/M2 qBs5DjzRPLQlbRU4wf1VmmbEruTkakTOgLKezlAwOz0lASgtJplv8vuwUWiUxy47butZ bCyoGlcQNchhSEbAB0gVDwH+wq+QfsjpBNvJRmzWsC4nDquSdfpuBpWdXfws13tHOQnW Axug== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.195.234 with SMTP id ih10mr12447376igc.0.1338426399368; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.173.105 with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:06:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:06:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: John Innis To: John Niolon X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] car hauler tralier advise. X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I bought a Dressen 16' steel car hauler new about 10 years ago. It is made from 4" channel with 4" angle welded to the top and 4" channel cross members. It has 1x8 solid wood decking. I was worried about that initially, but it has not warped at all. The angle over channel arrangement means that there is about a 2" lip of ange above the deck of the trailer. I like this because it gives me a good place to attache tie-downs to without cluttering the deck. It also provides a solid place to wedge non-automotive cargo against. The trailer sits on 2 5000# torsion axles and has electric brakes on both axles. I recommend the dual axle trailer, mostly because it will tow better than single. It is not nearly as sensitive to toung weight as a single axle is. I have put almost 2000# just behind the axles and it dis not sway at all. I also recommend brakes on both axles, as it will stop a lot better ans is required in some states. The trailer came with stake pockets, and I added 9 D-rings. It has slide under ramps mounted out the rear. I also added a spare tire carrier. I have been very happy with this trailer, my only complaint being the wiring. They used a frame ground, which I hate. They also used a pop-rivet to attach the ground wire to the frame. It worked fine for about 8 years, then all the grounds were corroded to the point that nothing worked. I rewired it with separate ground wires and it is back in business now. I paid just over $3k for this unit about 10 years ago and feel like I have more than gotten my money's worth out of it. On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:12 PM, John Niolon wrote: > Well, my Bobcat 250 welder/trailer is on the sale block and as soon as it > has a lucky new owner my search for a open car hauler will begin. Well, > actually I'm looking now but lack of funds takes a lot of the fun out of > it.. > > I see lots of options and I'm sure it depends on what you're gonna haul, > how > far and how much $$$ you have > > My tow vehicle is a 2008 Suburban with a 5.3 L Vortec. It has the towing > package and the recommended GVW is 8100 #. > > My towed vehicle will be a '53 F-100 ford pickup... with a curb weight of > 3500 > to 3800 pounds. > > I see lots of different designs channel, tube, but the most seem to be > channel frame in either 4" or 5" or 6" and either 3500" axles or 5K axles > with > either 1 or 2 axle brakes... some with breakaway setup some without... > aluminum would be sweet but out of the budget...by the way budget would be > 2500 or less.... or a little more if I found an excellent buy (like a > trailer > worth 4K for 2800. Oh wait... that's the other guys deal, not mine. > > I want slide in ramps, perferably rear entry to cut down on the carrying > them > around ... I'm favoring D-rings over stake pockets cause I want to use > wheel > type tiedowns... but that is something I can add myself and is no deal > breaker... > > all the rest will be optional... I have a winch I can add on if needed > although I plan on driving it on. Removable fender would be nice but > nothing > that can't be fabricated if needed. Steel deck is my favorite just from a > maintenance standpoint.. and weight. all of the above is depending on $$$ > and > availability. So I'm looking for suggestions, ideas, warnings, brand > recommendations..etc... educate me on car haulers > > oh, and ask me about my welder/trailer if you're interested.. > > thanks > John > > > > > > I'm sarcastic... what's your superpower ? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 20:22:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B922D02CA for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:22:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAC12D0286 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:22:21 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mcn.net; b=TeNrHYEcxKai5QTJQSwWsJDg1GWeP2uH5V2SftOAX8VUykR3ZHZK1MsD1ayWYwNe; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.166.140.18] (helo=StudioXPS) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SZv2c-00077x-OJ for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 30 May 2012 22:23:10 -0400 From: "Richard Gallagher" To: Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:23:13 -0600 Message-ID: <000301cd3ed4$554d2380$ffe76a80$@mcn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac0+1AgMUlo3ASlQQCaQQKYnkBoyxQ== Content-Language: en-us X-ELNK-Trace: dc1909a4638c58ecc8c2c485ee61c0ce49ac0d74000711ce29e2356b7c5294352f6c6d60cc716232350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.166.140.18 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Shop-talk] Tractor Won't Start X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi guys, >From Great Falls, Montana: I need help with my John Deere 950 utility tractor (about 22 hp but with gears a very good tractor). We have 30 acres and need the tractor to help maintain it. Last couple of weeks after work (yes, I do have a rgeular job and thank you God for the rain last weekend) I fertilized about 25 acres for hay and the tractor worked great. Now the battrey went dead (maybe--see below). I purchased a replacement commerical battrey from NAPA and the darn thing still won't start. With the new battrey hooked up the lights work but the starter turns a couple of cranks and then the solinoid just clicks. I've got an electrical problem. Now I am not sure that the old commercial battrey went dead but it is now gone--all I know is that it would not take a charge from the charger. My guess is that it died and in the process of trying to charge it I messed up something--voltage regulator??? The starter still wants to crank but is there a short??? Your advice would be greatly appreciated. Rich Gallagher _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 20:37:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B2C2D02D9 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:37:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C1F2D02BF for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:37:08 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=JmUnTg68yQUA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=obVhPR0wd77mSJG-SbYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:39278] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 89/BF-05935-589D6CF4; Thu, 31 May 2012 02:37:57 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Richard Gallagher'" , References: <000301cd3ed4$554d2380$ffe76a80$@mcn.net> In-Reply-To: <000301cd3ed4$554d2380$ffe76a80$@mcn.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:37:56 -0700 Message-ID: <0b4301cd3ed6$63b3bea0$2b1b3be0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0+1AgMUlo3ASlQQCaQQKYnkBoyxQAAaSmQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tractor Won't Start X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > With the new > battrey hooked up the lights work but the starter turns a couple of > cranks > and then the solinoid just clicks. I've got an electrical problem. What happens to the lights, if you leave them on? First thing I would try is to immediately (after the solenoid just clicks) feel all along the battery cables, to ground and to the starter. If anything is hot, you've just found a bad connection. Then a voltmeter (DMM) to check the voltage at various points while trying to crank the engine. Might need a helper or some clip leads to manage both at the same time. Last time I had a somewhat similar problem, the starter itself was shorted internally. It would still crank, kind of, but was drawing many times more current than it should. One of the brush wires had gotten tangled in the armature. But in that case, one of the battery cables smoked. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 20:43:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D8E2D031E for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:43:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 250932D02C7 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:43:26 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=coastalnet.com; b=BiPTl7NrO6Yppsfg9AH5q76oE5+7vavL5wLYqORE8FVGeZ5PdXiSYK49OtpplrHp; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.37] (helo=elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SZvN2-0003Aq-4a for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 30 May 2012 22:44:16 -0400 Received: from 24.40.217.251 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 22:44:15 -0400 Message-ID: <18163279.1338432256156.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:44:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Chuck To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 0d24c12df5c0ea918259956589c267fb1f142448567d938668a4cfe60acf1bd553a91d8776715b1e666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.37 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tractor Won't Start X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chuck List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Richard, Have you checked all the connections between the battery and ground and B+ and the starter? If both batteries are unable to provide the current the starter needs there may be a high resistance somewhere in the circuit. If you access the cables you could run a jumper cable in parallel and see if that helps. If you run it as a redundant ground from B- to the engine ground and it starts, there's likely high resistance in the ground circuit. This back-yard diagnostic method is only slightly removed from the beat-on-the-starter-with-a-hammer diagnostic technique, but it might turn up something. Chuck -----Original Message----- >From: Richard Gallagher >Sent: May 30, 2012 10:23 PM >To: shop-talk@autox.team.net >Subject: [Shop-talk] Tractor Won't Start > >Hi guys, > >From Great Falls, Montana: I need help with my John Deere 950 utility >tractor (about 22 hp but with gears a very good tractor). We have 30 acres >and need the tractor to help maintain it. Last couple of weeks after work >(yes, I do have a rgeular job and thank you God for the rain last weekend) >I fertilized about 25 acres for hay and the tractor worked great. Now the >battrey went dead (maybe--see below). I purchased a replacement commerical >battrey from NAPA and the darn thing still won't start. With the new >battrey hooked up the lights work but the starter turns a couple of cranks >and then the solinoid just clicks. I've got an electrical problem. Now I >am not sure that the old commercial battrey went dead but it is now >gone--all I know is that it would not take a charge from the charger. My >guess is that it died and in the process of trying to charge it I messed up >something--voltage regulator??? The starter still wants to crank but is >there a short??? > > > >Your advice would be greatly appreciated. > >Rich Gallagher >_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 20:54:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B6E2D031B for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:54:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail961c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail961c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC312D02C7 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:53:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: ejrussell.mebtel.net Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-2-208.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.2.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail961c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4V2sgJ9028422; Thu, 31 May 2012 02:54:43 GMT Message-ID: From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Richard Gallagher" , References: <000301cd3ed4$554d2380$ffe76a80$@mcn.net> In-Reply-To: <000301cd3ed4$554d2380$ffe76a80$@mcn.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:54:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=uCl0FW2GWCxANr8lfHZVxeORB7+CUsUxYqazBYRDkvQ= c=1 sm=1 a=JmUnTg68yQUA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:17 a=Wu4XUNbbLJ4z2GQvzrwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4FC6DD74.0007, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tractor Won't Start X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net First thing is to make sure all electrical connections in the battery to starter circuit are 100%. Don't assume they are OK because they look good and feel tight - remove, clean & resecure each one. This includes any ground connections - if there is a braided strap around the engine mounts for example. Eric Russell Mebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- > With the new battrey hooked up the lights work but the starter turns a > couple of cranks > and then the solinoid just clicks. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 04:58:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFD32D031B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:58:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CEFD2D02FC for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:54:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm7 with SMTP id m7so853755yen.14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:55:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0hSk9GWAUKbTvEcN0/2gPSloV+n0lStUApy/rs8GHLA=; b=PFM5DOXy1NOuNHa6RD4V0+RWKl80++7q1erjHa2dMS2S0H5TZZXqhpNJfKDaZxadnh X6o0w3Vw8Srf4yR5leth8VkAJvV/m+p8Wt9Hif3gU+tNqHPsXa/KYMt8sCMaJ5NgdVDz PHS+e8aIYfmCoh1iIlIt3C8pljISZlt6s/E74Z+GI0qAgna/hztVcOgZUBKtBRTVG9hA NS1cfnNl2u+wrFOtTyE1dj0iL6/J6uXwLW/r44onohyxhhjLXzz9k8eQqxrtrYkSnBuD FJZKmgBk381qcHQ/ud282jeBNvxk51JPKn6iIbXag0TMO3LPcSzHBRAlav8cDGpZ6inR 2Nvg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.85.196 with SMTP id j4mr1062945igz.30.1338461743880; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.6.162 with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:55:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <000301cd3ed4$554d2380$ffe76a80$@mcn.net> References: <000301cd3ed4$554d2380$ffe76a80$@mcn.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 06:55:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tractor Won't Start X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net We have a couple of 950's at work - nice tractor. What everybody else said, but especially Eric. You need to check and clean all the connections. If you have a /real/ set of jumper cables, like 4/0 or bigger, you could go straight from the battery to the starter and see if it turns that way. Be careful with them while you're doing that...make your last connection at the starter. If one jumper from + battery to + starter doesn't get it going, then add the other from - battery to a ground at the starter. Make the last connection at the starter. The reason to make the last connection at the starter is to avoid making a spark within the cloud of hydrogen gas above the battery. Did the store do any test on your old battery? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Richard Gallagher wrote: > Hi guys, > > From Great Falls, Montana: I need help with my John Deere 950 utility > tractor (about 22 hp but with gears a very good tractor). We have 30 acres > and need the tractor to help maintain it. Last couple of weeks after work > (yes, I do have a rgeular job and thank you God for the rain last weekend) > I fertilized about 25 acres for hay and the tractor worked great. Now the > battrey went dead (maybe--see below). I purchased a replacement commerical > battrey from NAPA and the darn thing still won't start. With the new > battrey hooked up the lights work but the starter turns a couple of cranks > and then the solinoid just clicks. I've got an electrical problem. Now I > am not sure that the old commercial battrey went dead but it is now > gone--all I know is that it would not take a charge from the charger. My > guess is that it died and in the process of trying to charge it I messed up > something--voltage regulator??? The starter still wants to crank but is > there a short??? > > > > Your advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Rich Gallagher > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 07:19:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402622D02FC for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 07:19:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from thunder.banklogic.net (thunder.banklogic.net [72.22.18.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0A62D0270 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 07:15:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thunder.banklogic.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by thunder.banklogic.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4VDGalc029171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:16:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by thunder.banklogic.net (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id q4VDGa6g029168 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:16:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: thunder.banklogic.net: mark owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:16:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Andy X-X-Sender: mark@thunder.banklogic.net To: shop-talk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-yoursite-MailScanner-ID: q4VDGalc029171 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=1.784, required 3, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_50 0.80, RP_8BIT 1.98) X-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-MailScanner-From: marka@maracing.com Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] car hauler tralier advise. X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Howdy, On Wed, 30 May 2012, John Niolon wrote: > So I'm looking for suggestions, ideas, warnings, brand > recommendations..etc... educate me on car haulers What I've found everytime I've looked for a regular open car trailer is that they hold their value well enough that you might as well buy a new inexpensive trailer vs. a used one. Around me, EconoTrailer is a goto brand. http://www.econotrailer.com/ I've had one of their trailers and friends have had various versions. They're a good basic car trailer. All steel, nothing particularly fancy, etc. Nice thing is that you get them new, so there's not the rework that always seems to be needed on a used trailer buy. I'm at the point now where if the money is anything like close, I'd rather be spending my time on projects I want to do, vs. working on the tow vehicle or trailer or whatever. Anyway, just putting it out there. Looks like they're getting $2750 for a full deck 18' trailer these days. If you can do an open deck trailer its $2350. Shorter 15' trailers are a little less. Mark _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 09:59:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D02C2D0388 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:59:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 83E422D0271 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:55:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 77535 invoked by uid 3198); 31 May 2012 15:56:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 May 2012 15:56:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:56:21 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman X-X-Sender: hillman@itonami.pair.com To: Mark Andy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] car hauler tralier advise. X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, 31 May 2012, Mark Andy wrote: > What I've found everytime I've looked for a regular open car trailer is that > they hold their value well enough that you might as well buy a new > inexpensive trailer vs. a used one. Same here. I shopped for a long time last year, and never found a single non-junk trailer for less than I could get a brand-new one for... without even shopping around for low new prices. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 10:31:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF4C2D015F for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:31:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B43A12D0330 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:25:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.58] by nm12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 16:26:28 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.226] by tm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 16:26:28 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.125] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 16:26:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 16:26:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 622476.9694.bm@omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 97977 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2012 16:26:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1338481588; bh=j9Dj/uGqhlWGjxy92Oiu0aXVEddvUK0MzW/OcFErOg8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eHP8kNHbS2HGtwPJcBR+aKYQyRGIfCBoq2oNk/caQSPPwjXYpoFSCDnYKtKq8H1F4UWCx1cRd8a9IdDpFvp3j4zYZsQdHONiH9ZVNcsWZjZttGY8hfs8vn0PdfqxhmfK/aAl1mjm7ondoIrjuq1mMO5FQgew2LsgpdoYXkujRBU= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JEm7jEIluNNKHSbJr8/J07/m2ZwHYUYt4h3WTfS5uuKuN1YX/zOw5KKKFv3Hd9OmZZlHWs21KdusLOTkt5bHM14mnHH6f6DwQdbG6OcUDT1ihxhG89ib9l9b4a3avEF123aOPDwkja8n3ysaBcK9Heti4whycN19bUg5dooJ6xY=; X-YMail-OSG: SPCefvcVM1mnP9c19LxpqxqoguGYtRAGmEbijfnlFte4zqg 62jOCvPW9g8IRdIgbixmkoWDbCvcuk5LA6n573J6bJ91Y8q6PsfDaDDWo9e0 Red1yRuZMbMV84RyxPjOpfcZDo91F7gJvHwc3Wa3FJ8tF0vcw3xPUVa0ASah GiRkg_3A10vsok5NRPPalF_A2_Oa8.SSihjYX0w0w8SecOvUqz.gjgY3XY4u 7xtwbC73LdBjhFA9lrLXbU9MiqghP4QtQvlOdrj8ReuVoB45irbVLgkZaOcH SzockpmDT9eJgzNVTu0QyciXbi99W8Fdo4lmb9naTBbikAcKj7zIxfRyClOr nzx6K0QZrs4cksLXGFAE8WiWFCX.Vs236YSqhFM6NE2vd5LySItlZ0XEMi3I WZsAnBoZ7f799ii.phfit0G3CKlwVQTobLRQzvUL14oYRIAapOS_GKlwQNhg q4oykS765jki46R0n18wBt3tPnlh4DJ4ySYgoFk_nmWxAkxKcXPZK9d0UMuM QKShwBOhZE0hhsQjAL3Ql0XToyNLIWVlrWkZoahhNv8xhqKIjajD.Oy76b7i UNDRA85DBsxAxLNbUzd3Qnr30vVfo8IHUSr9iCQ-- Received: from [166.248.96.5] by web181706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:26:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1338481588.76876.YahooMailClassic@web181706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:26:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john niolon To: shop-talk In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] car hauler tralier advise. X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net same holds true around here... you can buy used for 2500 and new for 2700-2800. seems a no brainer... buy new and save all the rework like Mark mentioned... is a mid range 5" channel and 3500# axles usually sufficient ?? like I said, the load is less than 4K and less... don't plan on loaning it out... that's what bends fenders and tongues and strips out the wiring... see that enough with work trailers... it's amazing how much damage can be done to a trailer...expecially when you don't have to pay to fix it.. j ...telling some people to "be yourself" is about the worst advice you could give them --- On Thu, 5/31/12, David Hillman wrote: From: David Hillman Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] car hauler tralier advise. To: "Mark Andy" Cc: "shop-talk" Date: Thursday, May 31, 2012, 3:56 PM On Thu, 31 May 2012, Mark Andy wrote: > What I've found everytime I've looked for a regular open car trailer is that they hold their value well enough that you might as well buy a new inexpensive trailer vs. a used one. Same here. I shopped for a long time last year, and never found a single non-junk trailer for less than I could get a brand-new one for... without even shopping around for low new prices. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 13:12:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA302C6CD2 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:12:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from thunder.banklogic.net (thunder.banklogic.net [72.22.18.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D422C014D for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:12:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thunder.banklogic.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by thunder.banklogic.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4VJDLsU004989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:13:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by thunder.banklogic.net (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id q4VJDLvO004986 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:13:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: thunder.banklogic.net: mark owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 15:13:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Andy X-X-Sender: mark@thunder.banklogic.net To: shop-talk In-Reply-To: <1338481588.76876.YahooMailClassic@web181706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <1338481588.76876.YahooMailClassic@web181706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-yoursite-MailScanner-ID: q4VJDLsU004989 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=1.784, required 3, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_50 0.80, RP_8BIT 1.98) X-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-MailScanner-From: marka@maracing.com Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] car hauler tralier advise. X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Howdy, On Thu, 31 May 2012, john niolon wrote: > is a mid range 5" channel and 3500# axles usually sufficient ?? like I > said, the load is less than 4K and less... Should be fine. I think the 'typical steel open trailer' weighs around 2k lbs or a little under, so even with some additional crap you've got a cushion to the rated axle capacity. Most every open car trailer I see at autocrosses has 2 3.5k axles. Mark _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 16:34:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6D52D03E2 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 16:34:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 658FE2D03A5 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 16:32:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 22:32:58 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.199] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 22:32:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 22:32:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 608367.67974.bm@omp1008.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 92097 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2012 22:32:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338503578; bh=Yose/677DatLTIAXgW8+sUmLfZ9tz+bXQLR2ChIb874=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TvQorZAAF8zWEv30JyMPek+zJg6aHhYoE5RMqFZadTcp2L6vegcaoQcmfr+2WbkdmN0QxVNeU8X7HfrDlILapquVwvqTuCGL02+2m0HZvhguCO/cn2Wtr4R0gWhVDYsm4EPC+L/NrrJbArenyAa6leJpptGVZAXtLKUIGD+xhRE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lObaM7WiXZgP5iQEuO2Ny76uoUFtts6UmF2SbmQUdh++LaUsu/NcccpGrgcdSHAI9FDgfvjuLT1BZQO18RkjEDaZFSK8Adt3Ajlw9x/nTn5KhMre2XArzOvi+nb7Dioo0czZMsXrLUb786XGQ7cqS3y8Y6gnqRVrZT8ZpKqPEUU=; X-YMail-OSG: FcuWtngVM1leAe2k6nzu2HRArjVV1X8ldLD1GxwHM6Uf5Wd JlpiXrAOb_xWXZhq5fAgjatZInQKRnznIYdOgNY8gXUipvg3VC13MKo1IGKL v1C_RqUz4f39X.NHhHx_AW673_XRkiPPwo.vu03ehSyGgsWttVX0Db6etxeP ZdrDtp_yJQmQj8jXeEBg7G7GN8oviv4dgVYkl450xizcc5SL3U8aMQirbDOt H9RHtFBIF0juq18PXKzMpD2E0X47JtcRduf.YoVjp.vTJ5IXX9..gmAIIkik sK1A8c6E9TbOQhc_pwEA55YiKxwez.9KwJDTPbJfUPQp42wmiT.bmR8Y1F.H j3nrHGMYhpLgA4sxjZHKWpT2q2Oz95_aLRHBUxfS73G7CHKx1QfZp4WEP76p YE_2KmgtKOoGxdM62t_WeLjJckNza9KojH1mNsYXCwWuGJhp_pg_wBw7jyZ0 B069d1v3vR_xm6GONXhzbWYXrwpFkeQuI.3B_WZ3g5AGFrQ-- Received: from [173.252.176.137] by web160103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:32:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1338481588.76876.YahooMailClassic@web181706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1338503578.92008.YahooMailNeo@web160103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 15:32:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk In-Reply-To: <1338481588.76876.YahooMailClassic@web181706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] car hauler tralier advise. X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Battmain List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net It will most likely work fine for you. . For my next trailer, I'm going with a higher rated axle than the dual 1760# 14" tires (3500#) that I have now. I don't tow much weight, but here is my reasoning. I tow long distances. When the bearings decide to take a crap, and you don't know when that will occur, you hope to catch the issue before the spindles get torn up. That could be at the side of a highway and as we know it is not fun inspecting or doing anything on the side of the highway. I carry a spare axle and multiple bearings, nuts, etc. The few miles on one wheel with a load to get off the highway, really heats up that single bearing set on that side. A higher rated axle will help in that situation. Only you can decide if it is enough. B >________________________________ > From: john niolon >To: shop-talk >Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:26 PM >Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] car hauler tralier advise. > (snip) >is a mid range 5" channel and 3500# axles usually sufficient ?? like I said, >the load is less than 4K and less... don't plan on loaning it out... that's >what bends fenders and tongues and strips out the wiring... see that enough >with work trailers... it's amazing how much damage can be done to a >trailer...expecially when you don't have to pay to fix it.. > >(snip) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 20:46:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 185A12C0AAC for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:46:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242262D0353 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:27:00 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mcn.net; b=gzY4zS9MDiGKlWXaVigVoDlsXssER2G9S/lQccoAITCKknllbxBMTSQg4CfWOVVV; h=Received:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.166.140.18] (helo=StudioXPS) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SaHaW-00046p-Kr; Thu, 31 May 2012 22:27:40 -0400 From: "Richard Gallagher" To: "'Jeff Scarbrough'" References: <000301cd3ed4$554d2380$ffe76a80$@mcn.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:27:43 -0600 Message-ID: <000301cd3f9e$20c49830$624dc890$@mcn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGyYv+AvcOkh8VbGAankn2g9wIbPAINrDphlwoHnZA= Content-Language: en-us X-ELNK-Trace: dc1909a4638c58ecc8c2c485ee61c0ce6f7dc3499d52ad8f9f6a040c5dff2f62f67383562a76b1fa350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.166.140.18 Cc: "'shop-talk@autox.team.net'" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tractor Won't Start X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you all for your suggestions. I tried the "rea" jumper cables to the starter and it started right up. Then I tried the positive battery cable to the battrey which goes directly to the starter and not starter action. So I'll get a new positive cable tomorrow and I think that willl fix it. P.S. I also wacked the starter a couple of time with a hammer as suggested but that wasn't the problem. Thanks again for all of your help. Rich Gallagher -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Scarbrough Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:56 AM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tractor Won't Start We have a couple of 950's at work - nice tractor. What everybody else said, but especially Eric. You need to check and clean all the connections. If you have a /real/ set of jumper cables, like 4/0 or bigger, you could go straight from the battery to the starter and see if it turns that way. Be careful with them while you're doing that...make your last connection at the starter. If one jumper from + battery to + starter doesn't get it going, then add the other from - battery to a ground at the starter. Make the last connection at the starter. The reason to make the last connection at the starter is to avoid making a spark within the cloud of hydrogen gas above the battery. Did the store do any test on your old battery? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Richard Gallagher wrote: > Hi guys, > > From Great Falls, Montana: I need help with my John Deere 950 utility > tractor (about 22 hp but with gears a very good tractor). We have 30 > acres and need the tractor to help maintain it. Last couple of weeks > after work (yes, I do have a rgeular job and thank you God for the > rain last weekend) I fertilized about 25 acres for hay and the tractor > worked great. Now the battrey went dead (maybe--see below). I > purchased a replacement commerical battrey from NAPA and the darn > thing still won't start. With the new battrey hooked up the lights > work but the starter turns a couple of cranks and then the solinoid > just clicks. I've got an electrical problem. Now I am not sure that > the old commercial battrey went dead but it is now gone--all I know is > that it would not take a charge from the charger. My guess is that it > died and in the process of trying to charge it I messed up > something--voltage regulator??? The starter still wants to crank but is there a short??? > > > > Your advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Rich Gallagher > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rgallagrrr@mcn.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net