From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 21:32:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6632D01C9 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 21:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from imap.usermail.com (imap.usermail.com [205.234.18.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85952D0177 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 21:31:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 20051800Vista (cpe-173-095-181-051.nc.res.rr.com [173.95.181.51]) by imap.usermail.com (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id q9M3WZ83023521; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 21:32:40 -0600 From: "Paul Mele" To: "'Shannah Miller'" References: <188d3a91.42412.13a799fa94d.Webtop.48@charter.net> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 23:32:25 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2uG4c+v5wXeBxSSv+tRtL8wrAMhgB6gMpA Content-Language: en-us Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] TechShop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net <> Our techshop in Durham,NC does. I got the lifetime membership, as the place is fantastic for a car guy/ fabricator. PM _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 19:29:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E012D053D for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:29:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07FE02C0D18 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:29:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gg0-f169.google.com with SMTP id i1so505913ggm.14 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:30:18 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rKFQqV6WpoP2wqETwCX5ytvgPKJNxDeUasqBg7vCpX4=; b=zgyxBMokz7tRXsxBvRblH0cQ0z9+yKddPKzlB5FLTnTxlRHZY6KQ7bMsFv8e1TFr2L PYg7cfyhjAAcg8es1m/z+zwKkx7+npCvZZEE+qqd72zvOW0vQgSfIJt4CbcoFwlVFwAs Q8jmf4AiTI6LhODiQG5XQ9hRxmNtjRHUGGZ9sNxX/NHC7XCSgzzz8QxxGViFaIiY31KQ fMmjcOSeT5+CaEgr/FYvkLfm7OcsHwiBqHUOwkttfX0JMxLsQuMQjV6XYh2NspFo7Lfo 2/Z8zsxN875LOuM8rEDFWWTNqW/9jFTZgt9l+uLmrr/WFlq9bKxPdxySmDbtz31zTQtC xgpg== Received: by 10.236.85.78 with SMTP id t54mr20903023yhe.48.1351215018157; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-203-101-6.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. [71.203.101.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k63sm127060yhj.20.2012.10.25.18.30.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:30:16 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Shower pans? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net So the garage shower, as it turns out, is shot. It's a one-piece fiberglass unit and the floor of it has disintegrated. I'd like to replace it with a Tileredi/Kerdi/prefab whatever pan and then tile the walls. The problem is that the old unit appears to be about 34" x 34". It's 34 inches from the surface of the drywall to the edge of the curb of the shower unit, and 34.5" wide from drywall surface to drywall surface in the alcove the unit is framed in. I don't think I can fit the same kind of unit through the bathroom door, and I want the durability of tile, so I don't want to replace the pre-fab unit with another pre-fab unit. But I can't seem to find a pan that looks like it will fit in the framed space. Should I be taking off the thickness of the drywall? That'd probably make it about 35.5" wide by 34.5" deep, though I have another three or four inches further I could go into the bathroom, so it could be deeper. The pans I'm looking at are $600, which is more than I want to risk on something that might not fit. I can order a nominal 36" x 36" unit--are these things like 2x4s and the 36" unit will fit? Or should I plan to notch studs, or...? And suggestions are appreciated, thanks. Scott _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 21:12:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9A32D0664 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:12:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5636B2D0659 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:12:42 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JRK3n6vms3XaYGSRYvZj1NLLg/F1dIDI8EwWq3y3MJuBnrn20NmL8Z/J7YM93p5e; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [76.194.245.225] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TRaMb-0003rl-F9; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:13:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:12:42 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 To: Scott References: <5089E7A8.4010603@gmail.com> Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shower pans? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Scott - I don't know anything about them, but saw http://www.markeindustries.com/ in a magazine. They appear to have a nice website with a variety of information. I pay attention to this because I too have a shower that needs work. It's tile and I could see light from the bathroom in the crawlspace below at the floor/wall junction. Two years ago I fixed it with a thick bead of silicone bathroom caulk and last month it was still dry underneath, but I know it needs a more permanent solution, so I've been watching the products. I've been considering their shower system like http://www.schluter.com/8_4_kerdi_shower_kit.aspx They have a nice installation handbook at http://www.schluter.com/media/ShowerHandbook.pdf Brian On 10/25/2012 6:30 PM, Scott wrote: > So the garage shower, as it turns out, is shot. It's a one-piece > fiberglass unit and the floor of it has disintegrated. > > I'd like to replace it with a Tileredi/Kerdi/prefab whatever pan and > then tile the walls. > > The problem is that the old unit appears to be about 34" x 34". It's > 34 inches from the surface of the drywall to the edge of the curb of > the shower unit, and 34.5" wide from drywall surface to drywall > surface in the alcove the unit is framed in. > > I don't think I can fit the same kind of unit through the bathroom > door, and I want the durability of tile, so I don't want to replace > the pre-fab unit with another pre-fab unit. But I can't seem to find a > pan that looks like it will fit in the framed space. Should I be > taking off the thickness of the drywall? That'd probably make it about > 35.5" wide by 34.5" deep, though I have another three or four inches > further I could go into the bathroom, so it could be deeper. > > The pans I'm looking at are $600, which is more than I want to risk on > something that might not fit. I can order a nominal 36" x 36" > unit--are these things like 2x4s and the 36" unit will fit? Or should > I plan to notch studs, or...? > > And suggestions are appreciated, thanks. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 26 16:50:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAD72D0502 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:50:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s19.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s19.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E9F2D06ED for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:49:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU0-SMTP137 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s19.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 26 Oct 2012 15:50:31 -0700 Received: from [10.167.251.11] ([166.147.98.246]) by BLU0-SMTP137.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 26 Oct 2012 15:50:29 -0700 From: Jim and Kathy Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 17:50:30 -0500 To: Shop Talk FILETIME=[4C61A3A0:01CDB3CC] Subject: [Shop-talk] License plate photos Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My daughter recently bought her first new car, which she is understandably proud of. She just got her new plates, which are an indication of her new KY residency, something she is also proud of and posted a photo of the plate on Facebook. I frequently see license plates blurred out in online photos and wonder if I should be concerned about the photo. Does anyone here know what the concern is about showing plate numbers online? Thanks. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 26 17:03:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCCD72D06C6 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 17:03:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0129.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58F92D06C6 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay02.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EA0A664B2F for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.109] (host216-187.lsdepts.ucsb.edu [128.111.216.187]) (Authenticated sender: mikey@rambour.com) by omf13.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 15:57:18 -0700 From: Mike Rambour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120827 Thunderbird/15.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] License plate photos Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Its just paranoia...that is all. The paranoid say that some one could get information from the license number when they see the car on the web...maybe true...but what about seeing the car drive down the road when your plate is in full display ? I post all my cars on the web and they all have their license numbers on the pictures. Many pictures are even on my website from which you can find my address. Its all about how paranoid you (or your daughter) is. mike On 10/26/2012 03:50 PM, Jim and Kathy wrote: > My daughter recently bought her first new car, which she is understandably > proud of. She just got her new plates, which are an indication of her new KY > residency, something she is also proud of and posted a photo of the plate on > Facebook. I frequently see license plates blurred out in online photos and > wonder if I should be concerned about the photo. Does anyone here know what > the concern is about showing plate numbers online? > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/lists@dinospider.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 26 17:35:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082F42D06EE for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 17:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mania.lunarmania.com (mania.lunarmania.com [67.210.98.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265F52D068E for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 17:33:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-7-68-55.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net ([99.7.68.55]:62104 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by mania.lunarmania.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TRtQH-0003mW-9h; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:34:41 -0700 References: <5089E7A8.4010603@gmail.com> <5089FFAA.5030407@earthlink.net> From: Bob Nogueira Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:34:44 -0500 To: Brian Kemp with any abuse report Cc: "shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shower pans? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've done several showers over the years. Last couple I used the Kerdi system and you could never get me to go any other way. I will say that it looks a bit scary the way they do corners but it sure does work well. You can also do the shower in any shape or size. If you are withIn a few inches of a standard shower you can use their foam underpaid which gives you the correct slope. Check out http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/index.php Ive gotten lots of good advise from the forum and he is very knowledgable of the Kerdi system. Bob Sent from my iPad On Oct 25, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: > Scott - I don't know anything about them, but saw > http://www.markeindustries.com/ > in a magazine. They appear to have a nice website with a variety of information. > > I pay attention to this because I too have a shower that needs work. It's tile and I could see light from the bathroom in the crawlspace below at the floor/wall junction. Two years ago I fixed it with a thick bead of silicone bathroom caulk and last month it was still dry underneath, but I know it needs a more permanent solution, so I've been watching the products. > > I've been considering their shower system like > http://www.schluter.com/8_4_kerdi_shower_kit.aspx > > They have a nice installation handbook at http://www.schluter.com/media/ShowerHandbook.pdf > > Brian > > > On 10/25/2012 6:30 PM, Scott wrote: >> So the garage shower, as it turns out, is shot. It's a one-piece fiberglass unit and the floor of it has disintegrated. >> >> I'd like to replace it with a Tileredi/Kerdi/prefab whatever pan and then tile the walls. >> >> The problem is that the old unit appears to be about 34" x 34". It's 34 inches from the surface of the drywall to the edge of the curb of the shower unit, and 34.5" wide from drywall surface to drywall surface in the alcove the unit is framed in. >> >> I don't think I can fit the same kind of unit through the bathroom door, and I want the durability of tile, so I don't want to replace the pre-fab unit with another pre-fab unit. But I can't seem to find a pan that looks like it will fit in the framed space. Should I be taking off the thickness of the drywall? That'd probably make it about 35.5" wide by 34.5" deep, though I have another three or four inches further I could go into the bathroom, so it could be deeper. >> >> The pans I'm looking at are $600, which is more than I want to risk on something that might not fit. I can order a nominal 36" x 36" unit--are these things like 2x4s and the 36" unit will fit? Or should I plan to notch studs, or...? >> >> And suggestions are appreciated, thanks. >> >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bob@texmog.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 26 18:20:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654DF2D04E1 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16DE2D0694 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:16:21 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ZpF64Z9egUwA:10 a=dLqv8ipIPjKk7gXGSP4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:39316] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id C3/C0-18765-6182B805; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 00:17:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 20:17:26 -0400 From: Randall To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] License plate photos Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I agree about the paranoia, but just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you! Your daughter has likely posted all sorts of information on the web, like whether she lives alone and when she (or her roommate) will be gone to the movies. The license plate just gives a potential attacker or burglar a link between the on-line personality and the woman getting in that car over there. Nothing to worry about. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 26 18:36:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654902D071F for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:36:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s37.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s37.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55D22D0489 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:35:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU0-SMTP174 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s37.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 26 Oct 2012 17:36:23 -0700 Received: from [10.167.251.11] ([166.147.98.246]) by BLU0-SMTP174.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 26 Oct 2012 17:36:01 -0700 References: <20121027001726.LZ4B2.109281.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> From: Jim and Kathy Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 19:35:36 -0500 To: Randall FILETIME=[1658F1F0:01CDB3DB] Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] License plate photos Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks all. I had thought about the address thing too but wanted to be sure there wasn't more to be concerned about. She currently lives on a farm with my sister in law and her husband, who has two full gun safes and is generally armed. I suspect she is reasonably safe, but will still suggest she delete the photo. As always, thanks. Sent from my iPad On Oct 26, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Randall wrote: > I agree about the paranoia, but just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you! > > Your daughter has likely posted all sorts of information on the web, like whether she lives alone and when she (or her roommate) will be gone to the movies. The license plate just gives a potential attacker or burglar a link between the on-line personality and the woman getting in that car over there. > > Nothing to worry about. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jandkstone99@msn.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 26 18:38:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3EA82D073C for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s15.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s15.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C182D2D0694 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:38:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU0-SMTP240 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s15.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 26 Oct 2012 17:39:22 -0700 Received: from [10.167.251.11] ([166.147.98.246]) by BLU0-SMTP240.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 26 Oct 2012 17:39:19 -0700 References: <20121027001726.LZ4B2.109281.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> From: Jim and Kathy Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 19:39:18 -0500 To: Shop Talk FILETIME=[8124BA50:01CDB3DB] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] License plate photos Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Oh, and I should probably add something about the nine large dogs who also live there. :) Sent from my iPad On Oct 26, 2012, at 7:35 PM, Jim and Kathy wrote: > Thanks all. I had thought about the address thing too but wanted to be sure there wasn't more to be concerned about. She currently lives on a farm with my sister in law and her husband, who has two full gun safes and is generally armed. I suspect she is reasonably safe, but will still suggest she delete the photo. > As always, thanks. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 26, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Randall wrote: > >> I agree about the paranoia, but just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you! >> >> Your daughter has likely posted all sorts of information on the web, like whether she lives alone and when she (or her roommate) will be gone to the movies. The license plate just gives a potential attacker or burglar a link between the on-line personality and the woman getting in that car over there. >> >> Nothing to worry about. >> >> -- Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jandkstone99@msn.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 26 19:14:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9802D0717 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 19:14:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF502D06DD for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 19:13:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ed3so1868736wgb.20 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:14:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YU0346B/L0PCJ3ic4fvDuOFGxC5zrKBYPiNrYT9Y/RA=; b=kPHFrtL5UCVLEf0yOfGkvgAFMks1s99+LgxSPS6XAH7ZZHnTE4F/wqXGFeQbD6K5Jd l6zyci3bCDWQKzEUr2oBOjB3N3fzydvuVSShrGjGpZENlTuW/ZCbl4fk7L6mvTK6EeSw AArFkGXbi0P1HBMBWryV0uMKu0Ob0WjjheCMtjAYaGwLYGLI+jIO2YmmCG6zGhYFM3U7 VYySHAPf2FXOjQu0pXCooSPUZVlIItvhr6c5kGuKSZh8EcPGUntt60DlsAVERMd3Jd9X sgpeTjweDFrxiOdLC56mZNpy8e4TPc3NOe/A/DVYOvF5L9mMJ7pptkGA2CJNwHzsLAEp 6zfA== Received: by 10.180.94.102 with SMTP id db6mr7069741wib.20.1351300493147; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.74.135 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:14:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <20121027001726.LZ4B2.109281.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 20:14:53 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Jim and Kathy Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] License plate photos Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net *Similar but different; a friend who lives in Dallas where all sorts of tolls on roads* *and airport access are billed to the address traced from photos of ones license* *plate: The friend observed bike riders twisting around and stretching so they can cover the license plate WITH ONE FOOT!* *Tony * _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 26 19:54:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D88F2D070E for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 19:54:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12802D04EA for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 19:50:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2012 01:51:18 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.226] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2012 01:51:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1035.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2012 01:51:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 38230 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2012 01:51:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351302678; bh=m3C5Gsm+R914Y52GGDn9QlrI7O9CRnMRt9h/9SeDPUA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HBz3TYHZPgeAnRaGK40JMjXqRTmyUaxM8ONZ6AqowQytOveUk31JVW5vcZEQyfylznsFr8NYY9WU6jFdbnRM2gSs3evTsHlk8RhoByRPw8AhQE01Kvd6JGHE2DN/O3ONyXyAFzuRZvDMb6C0n80qETgh9Y4vi3rXXYvLQF7FDU8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sojlN2WdExjUWUkaMC+7GE89xEur58kY//yJlF0I7XlOg5O43EiY+GayQ4TJBL30oW8x4lxdgWmTOGZlPuqcG7HbGugAGQ9VNkVe0FZ7jNFl0+Rue64PeWKU2eH1wrZ87oTkLgHKb27T/bh2CCTGbe/EFmJpkKtrICmbwqcOa8g=; fIXxWGHTBOmpDjwmRZJSfTc_TQ4_fAbqpfRF0YAk3gbR8lvKxbpNq1oIEJYO I18AZBD_lmjyqBNUVNpIl2x142pRNaW9pO6YQgeLehfI9f9B2T_yF1DRcCAV bI_gdcqcucUuI7Qd9SvRTr2ImlozIlRBqpmKn0DkMtvuCAsqI1e5Hm87csvK zQCGSSpx7rqadokB3IlGZSLjbCuPmX87e9KYUYS54l.0CFMFMC2RAiPYd_RZ 5khmWjp4r_JQqIedgonF77BJ47x4LRPNXxHK.9.FFHTwBh8XJwVNWoImq2sg GbTZthTfvhhdnMzlfr0t3vwgBU.UfuLZMQQgnwztJCisUyTIDr7I6rGfOOiE 0MA9LukJMXTpbIspOxEdsFS0Y3AO9mzqBNjXniEZmlc4Xx_pxuHwlZdFhK3R 25Py4.DlcwbesRPhImiOI21aPBvPOUZ0.oEopRIIwCdsqjo_IEpsoSRw7S7r DKg-- Received: from [74.161.163.25] by web140003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:51:18 PDT S25vd2luZyB3aGF0IEkga25vdyBhYm91dCB0aGUgd2ViLCBzb21lIHBhcmFub2lhIGlzIG5lZWRlZCBJTU8uIMKgTW9zdCBsaWtlbHkgc2hlIGhhcyBwb3N0ZWQgaGVyIGhvbWV0b3duIGFsc28uIEhhdmluZyB0aGUgcGxhdGUgb25saW5lIGp1c3Qgc3BlZWRzIHVwIHRoZSBzZWFyY2ggcHJvY2Vzcy4gRmFrZSBwbGF0ZXMgY2FuIGFsc28gYmUgbWFkZS4gWW91IHdvbnQga25vdyB0aGF0IHRoZSBwbGF0ZXMgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIHVzZWQgdW50aWwgeW91IGdldCB0aGUgYmlsbHMuIEl0J3MganVzdCBsaWtlIGlkZW4BMAEBAQE- References: Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] License plate photos Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Knowing what I know about the web, some paranoia is needed IMO. Most likely she has posted her hometown also. Having the plate online just speeds up the search process. Fake plates can also be made. You wont know that the plates have been used until you get the bills. It's just like identity theft. You don't know until the damage is done, so therefore in my paranoid mind, I do what I can to prevent it. It's kinda' like insurance. Some people have great experiences with their insurance company, while others have to jump through hoops. B >________________________________ > From: Jim and Kathy >To: Shop Talk >Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:50 PM >Subject: [Shop-talk] License plate photos > >My daughter recently bought her first new car, which she is understandably >proud of. She just got her new plates, which are an indication of her new KY >residency, something she is also proud of and posted a photo of the plate on >Facebook. I frequently see license plates blurred out in online photos and >wonder if I should be concerned about the photo. Does anyone here know what >the concern is about showing plate numbers online? >Thanks. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 26 20:42:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF91A2D0783 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 20:42:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FDA2D075D for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 20:37:48 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:29:52 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 10/26/2012 22:29:22, Serialize complete at 10/26/2012 22:29:22 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] License plate photos Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, I respectfully disagree. The difference between your car photos and his daughter's photos are that there aren't predators that sit at home and try to stalk old men. I would never put a photo with a LP on the web. It's way too easy to remove or blur the LP and there is no reason to show it. And I surely wouldn't let me daughter (or any woman I cared about) do it either. BTW, I work for the NJ State Police as a senior Intel analyst, so I'm in the biz and see these kind of problems from time to time. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson Mike Rambour Sent by: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net 10/26/2012 18:55 To shop-talk@autox.team.net cc Subject Re: [Shop-talk] License plate photos Its just paranoia...that is all. The paranoid say that some one could get information from the license number when they see the car on the web...maybe true...but what about seeing the car drive down the road when your plate is in full display ? I post all my cars on the web and they all have their license numbers on the pictures. Many pictures are even on my website from which you can find my address. Its all about how paranoid you (or your daughter) is. mike _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 30 19:37:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89D42D0505 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:37:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FD02D0500 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:16:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo110 ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20121031011733.TAOZ26743.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo110> for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:17:33 -0400 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.211.88]) by eastrmimpo110 with cox id HdHY1k0051uzUvs01dHYCj; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:17:33 -0400 a=uMyTlBfukKJCgtmHy1UhRw==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=YMBJ2X1gFAoA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=uZUTi3bbiEsqFSiLPfAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=yZPC_7wudSD1g1X1:21 a=ESumt8ExsjfPM8oZ:21 a=uMyTlBfukKJCgtmHy1UhRw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:17:47 -0400 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: "John T. Blair" Subject: [Shop-talk] Sandy - The Storm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Gang, Here in Virginia Beach area we made out very well. There is some major damage in all the local cities, but nothing like what our friends to the North (New Jersey and New York especially) are facing. There are many homes, cars, and business' that are lost. But like I said, we made out a lot better than what I'm seeing on the TV in the north. To our friends in the north, our hearts and prayers go out to you all. The 1st thing I did this morning was get on the Red Cross web site and make a donation. I hope you all to the north are fine, and if you had any damage I pray it was minor and that you recover quickly! John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 30 20:00:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116B62D0361 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:00:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ye0-f169.google.com (mail-ye0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B0B2D03AC for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:38:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ye0-f169.google.com with SMTP id q11so205419yen.14 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:39:22 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uBWU4pQC2/n3hagywvPfLAHUkcY3vtk0s48LfRIA0AY=; b=N1o+Mxg+ZfdS2amTy39dHAA9Gjzw/lRGBUL5cVU85n1+X6ox3gG9uKS7X76+KpbBhO GZbGL/a/Pn8tZ4kb4ONNfQewe9T61RcTuSiDiaAzrXllVKzGXmJN1rtAYx9s7igyr1lC ew6BwJU5y/WxtDvQdJVSkhBgSy54OsZuvgwOuoLQg49twVQ+8uO4NXSvz6ZnhrMIrmx/ B2s7A9Lo7HpKXShJpSTY0jO+U3C/XqTa/8RW+7imrTjOcfz56xY7Kjmr2/1GhL/X56xg vi3p33f+dO3qsIH+5eZr8hOFu63bMGdB2b53Zns0/JANyV7Pzur6OdmaOqedSVFuRUg0 zGNA== Received: by 10.236.130.106 with SMTP id j70mr35482730yhi.0.1351647562090; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-71-203-101-6.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. [71.203.101.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f15sm2411978yhi.11.2012.10.30.18.39.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:39:18 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Need a new multimeter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I suspect my multimeter isn't 100%. The continuity test won't always alarm when I touch the probes, the needle doesn't sweep very well, etc. ,etc. I just put new batteries in it, so I'm thinking it might be the meter itself. So who likes their meter and what kind do you have? I'd like to be using this thing tomorrow, so ideally I can get a decent one from Radio Shack, Ace, etc., but if I really want a whatever I can only get online, I can wait a few days for it to be overnighted. I don't make a living with the thing, but I'd like to enjoy using it, as opposed to the one I have now which came from Home Depot (or Lowe's) and I always questioned. What does the hive mind say? Thanks. Scott _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 30 20:29:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4A02D0842 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:29:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533AA2D0636 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:13:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 10so1734617ied.14 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:14:44 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lqfPrtylS8XmIxqiSiknusMlezvZZmkiExUypXVkgQo=; b=ljkQxKgH7e6/d5tBX+uOstu9H7bKJEfhf3cZNtRr5HaKQikQMJqJjr0mss8YdsIqT4 m/qTSBmwadeOQK72Zn53THYra8kTFezshJ9suC0KXPaDF4U5mAL++hXYtNYy1bB7YmlQ NDfR/0C4UEzWEoRnT0q+0sCoqAQnldRGuEuMMehNj/XhT0wZE1Sq+s7xO7/E0Ht4gV+G KKgqW4mIv5W8Zp0Gu0bKg7NMvh8YQhns2N317QJOwTp2zVYDCOsn7rPlbvUUZ5ezp3mJ Qu/AXwKBCob3cIYAwOHjGU402QZokAyeGo5ukc007tGmHJjmHGV5E4Ank1aZq+PJtAdf /Xag== Received: by 10.43.132.65 with SMTP id ht1mr29885547icc.1.1351649684792; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.69.198 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:14:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <50908146.6020907@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:14:44 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need a new multimeter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Scott wrote: > So who likes their meter and what kind do you have? At work, I've got a variety of Fluke meters; a Fluke 77* comes to mind as well as a simpler one like the Fluke 113. But at home, I have a Radio Shack knockoff, as well as a Horrible Freight $4.99 special. The Flukes feel great, and you can drop 'em. You can drop the HF one, too, and then you can afford to buy another without feeling bad. *EDIT: It's a Fluke 73. Still a hoss... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 30 21:04:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D122D08D7 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:04:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9BF2D065A for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2012 02:42:07 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.251] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2012 02:42:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1064.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2012 02:42:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 54308 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Oct 2012 02:42:07 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351651327; bh=UXGAZwQ6Bckl+H9O5t2yes3D/o0CQW53T8CwFPWjhuQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5PqEjXJGqI1qTV88MbTKQ627YpMzZOEzrxqIWKDnCXtDedfTOYNknBLdWz4cuQGPJmZ3LupGxSJ0HArlTmJ+A72rXB5L03Jvd+nPL0jt/IyrR282BJTshAoih3sPayHge/V24M7D6chAr+Jodm2iZBdhe0Vp0PJ/+YJk7i1J+Zw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hQW+GpGd0muDBkTx0HH/zHULtjsAEcFLTq9AP/2CQBXO+mbw52KaW+2VFnVx1Ro913ikcKKhw2nXe5oaCJoUPQVFsoCuzCWZ1gLIxymxMuwUbLXS3Cu/8IHFEXQyqa4+lJXuqMUGg2jO4CawHLoICC+fOnMClr1j2FDaz4SfN9Q=; a3MLd70ZTm7_O5gz9MqU_pnzDLCs0BM.L9b0uNFQjen58BwFDEtwvAxxBFrz kYfmOxFPUh03oAlrezmmeMo.wwoi2i2v3T4.hh1uLc830VVJUqcdmc3v1NM3 ILIBoXRGafLBCLTw1z9XA8DSi6sOLxN2lYe3BC3gLGMsXLiiA6H7PB8O0n0f eTrS9gdP.Bc2giwxoVRq81dxVIHXZlvymArAUWueZbxpuDdmg376uVbfbufe n27kld4dkGHxTIBYwHgQDfoml1EnUcTnCUYT5BriixGFolnVb_vEzU6vZzRQ zAkAzRTxE9y4P.T.TBCiIuJx5Tqq4oNsblf1Y81y9Km8gIQQXBeOqFyQ7Q50 29D8ft3uqipVEOGGgEMi_Njzdul7A6.0KLJyTwhl7Dt_YEPuMSQdMLr_L0wz PCO2dPbjV04uIggXVHBmZCCVq_RGXWzq3C1ZbPMXATyz4UEWGAWg6CJ_Ep_e VcZBm Received: from [74.161.163.25] by web140006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:42:06 PDT SSBoYXZlIGEgRmx1a2UsIEhhcmJvciBGcmVpZ2h0LCBSYWRpbyBTaGFjayBhbmQgYSBmZXcga2l0cyBJIGJ1aWx0IG1hbnkgeWVhcnMgYWdvLiBUaGUgSGFyYm9yIEZyZWlnaHQgb25lIGdldHMgdGhlIG1vc3QgdXNlLiBQcm9iYWJseSBiZWNhdXNlIEkgZG9uJ3QgY2FyZSBpZiBJIGRyb3AgaXQsIGxvb3NlIGl0IG9yIHNtb2tlIGl0IGJ5IHNjcmV3aW5nIHVwLiBBIG5ldyBvbmUgY29zdHMgbGVzcyB0aGFuIGx1bmNoLCBvciBldmVuIGEgc29kYSB3aXRoIGEgY291cG9uLiBZTU1WLgoKQgoKCgoKPl9fX19fX18BMAEBAQE- References: <50908146.6020907@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:42:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need a new multimeter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a Fluke, Harbor Freight, Radio Shack and a few kits I built many years ago. The Harbor Freight one gets the most use. Probably because I don't care if I drop it, loose it or smoke it by screwing up. A new one costs less than lunch, or even a soda with a coupon. YMMV. B >________________________________ > From: Scott >To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net >Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:39 PM >Subject: [Shop-talk] Need a new multimeter > >I suspect my multimeter isn't 100%. The continuity test won't always alarm when I touch the probes, the needle doesn't sweep very well, etc. ,etc. I just put new batteries in it, so I'm thinking it might be the meter itself. > >So who likes their meter and what kind do you have? I'd like to be using this thing tomorrow, so ideally I can get a decent one from Radio Shack, Ace, etc., but if I really want a whatever I can only get online, I can wait a few days for it to be overnighted. I don't make a living with the thing, but I'd like to enjoy using it, as opposed to the one I have now which came from Home Depot (or Lowe's) and I always questioned. >(snip) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 30 21:07:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267662D08DE for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:07:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFAE2D0673 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:41:48 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qytF+FZ+rEDDlJtCm8ap4YG9BbAdXA3Gk38GlPTFftNxzuK5TfEXcKyAmbL0J7uw; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [76.194.247.123] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TTOGe-0005Oz-JK; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:42:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:41:57 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 To: Scott References: <50908146.6020907@gmail.com> Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need a new multimeter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The cheap digital one on sale with the coupon for a few bucks at Harbor Freight is fine for most basic home tasks. As a plus, it is so inexpensive, you don't worry when you bump it and it falls down through the engine compartment onto the driveway. I don't know how accurate it actually is, but for measuring continuity, I don't really care if it .1 ohms or .3 ohms. I would consider their meter to be in line with anything you pick up at another store in the $10 price range. If money isn't a concern, I've liked any Fluke meter I've ever used, but you do pay for them. You also have to decide on analog or digital. Sometimes it is nice to watch the needle stay at a constant point and not drift. Also if chasing an intermittent connection, that pointer may respond faster and more obvious than a digital meter. I have both, but seldom use the analog, mainly because the probes suck. I guess that brings out a final factor. Check the probes. They should be comfortable to hold and the cables should be very flexible. I have a Craftsman meter that I bought back in the late 80's that has insulated clips that screw on to the probes for a good solid connection. Having the clip on leads is nice and I'd pay extra for that. Brian On 10/30/2012 6:39 PM, Scott wrote: > I suspect my multimeter isn't 100%. The continuity test won't always > alarm when I touch the probes, the needle doesn't sweep very well, > etc. ,etc. I just put new batteries in it, so I'm thinking it might be > the meter itself. > > So who likes their meter and what kind do you have? I'd like to be > using this thing tomorrow, so ideally I can get a decent one from > Radio Shack, Ace, etc., but if I really want a whatever I can only get > online, I can wait a few days for it to be overnighted. I don't make a > living with the thing, but I'd like to enjoy using it, as opposed to > the one I have now which came from Home Depot (or Lowe's) and I always > questioned. > > What does the hive mind say? > > Thanks. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 30 21:10:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36652D088B for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:10:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3DD2D0673 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:42:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gg0-f169.google.com with SMTP id i1so210079ggm.14 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:43:46 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uTUxwuW9NXP38LR/1h2CAY6Uu/FHyHkN/23pTNmdj9g=; b=vQEzcPuztbUsGrvuio8ofkCOk2wcHWTe7INpFbmn/Yu85MucBB5By7V0QJKFnX9ZJ/ F5C5SCHpOHuxSWKNjKdCoceoMIecV61IIqc9QEz1ShI2qE5IaZX1nUzjFqbo8u9U4Hng 0MaeVPzyc1nI6HkV2C6KxX0xzXltJu3IJuxSiTd2f1hPmHTvr5qpkO3yxH4FxOJT47pk HuR1iMZ/95HU7mHW2Sj2nVNLyTZOuCN6ZTinDs0m0ESaqUFhRnWRdJzpM7KJqxWAau1D i3OGJC6tbv82kQ2dL0fY19gQYt+726jQ/Vi+MdEVWAjD40VGXC0ZYXx01rs9q1Kl+AhE wKDQ== Received: by 10.236.154.165 with SMTP id h25mr34693173yhk.38.1351651426247; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-71-203-101-6.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. [71.203.101.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u22sm2544622yhl.2.2012.10.30.19.43.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:43:45 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 CC: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: <50908146.6020907@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need a new multimeter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, the one I have I got because it had a needle and I remember someone telling me being able to see the needle twitch was useful. But that's only true if the thing works, and this one doesn't seem to. I should just get the Harbor Freight cheap digital one then? On 10/30/2012 10:39 PM, Roland Wilhelmy wrote: > There are real reasons to have a multimeter (VOM) with a needle > (analog) display. If you want a needle display, you may have to pay a > lot or look on eBay. Harbor Freight's $5 digital meters are the most > for the least. I have a couple lying around. > > If it works, it's a Fluke. > > -Roland > with a very old Fluke digital meter and an even older Weston needle > meter. > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:39:18 -0400,Scott wrote: > > ::I suspect my multimeter isn't 100%. The continuity test won't always > ::alarm when I touch the probes, the needle doesn't sweep very well, etc. > ::,etc. I just put new batteries in it, so I'm thinking it might be the > ::meter itself. > :: > ::So who likes their meter and what kind do you have? I'd like to be using > ::this thing tomorrow, so ideally I can get a decent one from Radio Shack, > ::Ace, etc., but if I really want a whatever I can only get online, I can > ::wait a few days for it to be overnighted. I don't make a living with the > ::thing, but I'd like to enjoy using it, as opposed to the one I have now > ::which came from Home Depot (or Lowe's) and I always questioned. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 30 21:55:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455682D0858 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:55:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.53.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12E72D0675 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:23:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.192] by nm4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2012 03:24:29 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.99] by tm5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2012 03:24:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2012 03:24:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 24585 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Oct 2012 03:24:28 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351653868; bh=8WMNKa5CZ4vpygho2Aj9qvLVM0/XRysNDnPQ8iXOGck=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NMmbhhixWSuuBsYg9K4hbmeEtt87M0dXhdlxu2gcrMLLNejMWe9XX+8WEaV/DTcvYM7G/l4bzN8REiKTf6YYG3rMs49+ALJlj6IEhkyC6IumwT1Bta/2XvZ19l1DTSAKZ2wN6zpEkswhUePmTS9zfswUVg/WBBlp0w659SQVrds= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BJDLuJv/+Z6ehZ9CeU0ntKsnt2AY0r4YuHn1uuUd6EGesTyEQsgyDzI/hsUakbWcxsdLC2vOIMwmAMXHPXF4yXIlWJN3Ez5wI6jnu/yzO8a9L8Tylf67UyGjgmuTrBdJEkgTIVsTrpA+6zsr5/+JF61Y5Cgol9BWf4Qqi24tf50=; U_pD.dlCpT0PWtVKNQ_w5Y02ge3VyTE6yrgXGBPaqtjIjjsKqPtok1Nobvb8 daSGOP9Z46FXE.Iw.b3DOVQjoE0eMQZU6pGMd54MWBASi1vJlySkILN3rVfU kUuG1zx8dClrBVHwWEX.o_e0wpX_sxoLFrdL2UAAp8mR4wJTl2nvsW5Dtdj1 U5aILODj70J8Q097wFqLrI9AdQitv6wXvSMCuufFVIBGECMcbmDlb3EAkYc. 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There are coupons for a free meter with any other purchase. Randy ________________________________ From: Scott Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Tue, October 30, 2012 10:11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need a new multimeter Yeah, the one I have I got because it had a needle and I remember someone telling me being able to see the needle twitch was useful. But that's only true if the thing works, and this one doesn't seem to. I should just get the Harbor Freight cheap digital one then? On 10/30/2012 10:39 PM, Roland Wilhelmy wrote: > There are real reasons to have a multimeter (VOM) with a needle > (analog) display. If you want a needle display, you may have to pay a > lot or look on eBay. Harbor Freight's $5 digital meters are the most > for the least. I have a couple lying around. > > If it works, it's a Fluke. > > -Roland > with a very old Fluke digital meter and an even older Weston needle > meter. > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:39:18 -0400,Scott wrote: > > ::I suspect my multimeter isn't 100%. The continuity test won't always > ::alarm when I touch the probes, the needle doesn't sweep very well, etc. > ::,etc. I just put new batteries in it, so I'm thinking it might be the > ::meter itself. > :: > ::So who likes their meter and what kind do you have? I'd like to be using > ::this thing tomorrow, so ideally I can get a decent one from Radio Shack, > ::Ace, etc., but if I really want a whatever I can only get online, I can > ::wait a few days for it to be overnighted. I don't make a living with the > ::thing, but I'd like to enjoy using it, as opposed to the one I have now > ::which came from Home Depot (or Lowe's) and I always questioned. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mistertwo@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 30 21:58:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D0F2D08BB for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:58:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1F02D035D for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:25:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291B82E04C for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:27:07 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: <50908146.6020907@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need a new multimeter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a digital one I got at Sears some time ago. I picked that particular model because it also has a temperature probe. It was handy for slipping into radiator cores, for example, or checking the temp in the garage fridge. Lost the temp probe some time ago. It also came with alligator clips that screwed onto the probes, those are pretty handy. A lot of times you want to clip one side to ground and then poke around with the other. I've been pretty happy with it, but I have no idea what the current equivalent model might be. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 30 22:01:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820432D08AE for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:01:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14A62D0675 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:28:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q9V3TnDg049883 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:29:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:29:41 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <50908146.6020907@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need a new multimeter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 10/30/2012 9:39 PM, Scott wrote: > I suspect my multimeter isn't 100%. The continuity test won't always >[snip] > So who likes their meter and what kind do you have? I'd like to be using > this thing tomorrow, so ideally I can get a decent one from Radio Shack, > Ace, etc., but if I really want a whatever I can only get online, I can If you need one ASAP, Harbor Freight has a little "CenTech" DVM that sells for anywhere from free (literally, on sale with coupon)) to $10. I have three of them. They're so cheap, I keep two @ work in different locations so I don't have to bother carrying them around, and another at home. All have been reliable for 5+ years. They're not auto-ranging, but they do the job. But... I've been an electronics geek for 30+ years since I was a kid, and wanted something nicer. Specifically, one with capacitance measurement for HVAC and motor start/run caps. Fluke is THE name in meters; after using a friend's, decided I needed one too. Kinda like Snap-On tools -- sure, Sears will loosen your bolts most the time but the S.O. just feels better doing it. Same with Fluke. Decided on either a Fluke 116 (HVAC tech's) or 117 (electrician's.) Either is about $165 on Amazon. I went cheap, and after two weeks watching Ebay, scored a used very clean 117 for only $70. Lots of nice bells & whistles: capacitance range, frequency reading on the AC & DC voltage ranges, manual or auto-ranging, simulated analog bar-graph display on the LCD, remote "point in the general direction" hot wire detection, etc. And it feels solid as hell using it :) -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 31 00:05:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8FB2D0164 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 00:05:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6952D0834 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:19:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.247]) by out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 31 Oct 2012 05:20:34 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-130-93.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.130.93]) by relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6B0DB2F80AE; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 05:20:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:20:47 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 To: Wayne References: <50908146.6020907@gmail.com> <50909B25.6070507@xxiii.com> Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need a new multimeter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I bought a Simpson 260 years and years ago when I was still working in the trades and it was the go-to meter of the day. I still have it but haven't taken it down off the shelf for ages. If I had a dedicated electronics bench I would probably keep it set up just because it's so cool, but I haven't done any real electronics work in decades, and the 260 is really too delicate to be banging around the shop. What I do have is four of five of the little red Harbor Freight meters scattered all around the shop, garage and work so one is always handy for troubleshooting. I even put a two pin SAE connector on once to take on my motorcycle to monitor voltage while using various electronic accessories while riding. I remember once I took three or four of them to work and compared them against a good Fluke and they were more or less spot on on a number of voltage and resistance readings. For checking continuity in motors and control wiring, like a lot of you, I prefer an analog meter. For years I used a cheap Radio Shack model, but this year it finally bit the dust and I got this to replace it: > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00064CH6A/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00 So far it's been fine. (And of course, about ten or so years ago I also bought an old-school black analog clamp on Amprobe, because they are really cool, too. Don't need batteries, either.) On 10/30/2012 8:29 PM, Wayne wrote: > On 10/30/2012 9:39 PM, Scott wrote: >> I suspect my multimeter isn't 100%. The continuity test won't always >> [snip] >> So who likes their meter and what kind do you have? I'd like to be using >> this thing tomorrow, so ideally I can get a decent one from Radio Shack, >> Ace, etc., but if I really want a whatever I can only get online, I can > > If you need one ASAP, Harbor Freight has a little "CenTech" DVM that > sells for anywhere from free (literally, on sale with coupon)) to $10. > I have three of them. They're so cheap, I keep two @ work in different > locations so I don't have to bother carrying them around, and another > at home. All have been reliable for 5+ years. They're not > auto-ranging, but they do the job. > > But... I've been an electronics geek for 30+ years since I was a kid, > and wanted something nicer. Specifically, one with capacitance > measurement for HVAC and motor start/run caps. Fluke is THE name in > meters; after using a friend's, decided I needed one too. Kinda like > Snap-On tools -- sure, Sears will loosen your bolts most the time but > the S.O. just feels better doing it. Same with Fluke. > > Decided on either a Fluke 116 (HVAC tech's) or 117 (electrician's.) > Either is about $165 on Amazon. I went cheap, and after two weeks > watching Ebay, scored a used very clean 117 for only $70. Lots of nice > bells & whistles: capacitance range, frequency reading on the AC & DC > voltage ranges, manual or auto-ranging, simulated analog bar-graph > display on the LCD, remote "point in the general direction" hot wire > detection, etc. And it feels solid as hell using it :) > > -Wayne > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 31 06:38:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378E12D0663 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 06:38:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDC12D062A for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 06:06:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20121031120712.LADD5450.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:07:12 -0400 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.211.88]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id Ho7B1k00H1uzUvs01o7C8z; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:07:12 -0400 a=uMyTlBfukKJCgtmHy1UhRw==:17 a=_gn1u2QxQqAA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=vqM7ufWW98sA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=NTonLtlQiaev8oGcMv4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=S1EdQmPBVI6tIpxF:21 a=nrSf9Mu2C0o9s-Hk:21 a=uMyTlBfukKJCgtmHy1UhRw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:52:05 -0400 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: "John T. Blair" References: <50908146.6020907@gmail.com> <50908FF5.5060405@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need a new multimeter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At 10:41 PM 10/30/2012, Brian Kemp wrote: >You also have to decide on analog or digital. Sometimes it is nice to watch the >needle stay at a constant point and not drift. Also if chasing an intermittent >connection, that pointer may respond faster and more obvious than a digital >meter. I have both, but seldom use the analog, mainly because the probes >suck. I have to agree with this. I prefer the analog meters and have several of them. As for the digital ones, I have a bunch of the inexpensive H.F. units - one in every car, one in every tool box, etc. >I have a Craftsman meter that I bought back in the late 80's that has insulated >clips that screw on to the probes for a good solid connection. Having the clip >on leads is nice and I'd pay extra for that. I agree about having the ability to clip a lead to a connection, but I have a bunch of the aligator clips from Radio Shack and use them to clip the meter to a test point or ground. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 31 09:16:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230E02D063C for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2DD2D0621 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:43:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ed3so762717wgb.20 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=qHTpMswQgX6FSywrlEvQRdVNaX0MVnJ6/hgUxeL/GaE=; b=ACk3q4QpCS6aIU47X62f8uY1XQ07A9l9cEKXDKkq3GartVxssMuHTtknsdDpAzs2b3 b4HoR8Fthrz58l9wLEQl3j+cd5BoIob5RWyOFY5fugILTiRgqtx9tAUsnJ2Zbheeb29y xMvGk7AAunPtorNqRPA76XGXFaoGP9uAWxm9sZyCeApIpnUZAOaZ58MnTNUbe8a4DJAW Gri2cYhuPksyZnUq1Af8qUfA14U88CaAeTdYkfezRs8MvSNTLu3VKhUXjxUXpXswH9s6 FE+osGkLVUt1uObz6keacdDMSh/jG5/Vcp3IQK23FRlrhHJ20z+YT1Q+UkyYiW13bkXp ldLg== Received: by 10.180.95.67 with SMTP id di3mr3119297wib.12.1351694701751; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.152.129 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:45:01 -0700 (PDT) References: <50908146.6020907@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:45:01 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: Scott Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need a new multimeter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Scott wrote: > I suspect my multimeter isn't 100%. The continuity test won't always alarm > when I touch the probes, the needle doesn't sweep very well, etc. ,etc. I > just put new batteries in it, so I'm thinking it might be the meter itself. > > So who likes their meter and what kind do you have? I'd like to be using > this thing tomorrow, so ideally I can get a decent one from Radio Shack, > Ace, etc., but if I really want a whatever I can only get online, I can wait > a few days for it to be overnighted. I don't make a living with the thing, > but I'd like to enjoy using it, as opposed to the one I have now which came > from Home Depot (or Lowe's) and I always questioned. > > What does the hive mind say? I've got a ~$20 extech one. came with a type k thermocouple, works fine, seems more likely to last past the first drop. Whatever you buy, do yourself a favor and get a kit of probes. It's ncie to have ones with clips sometimes, it's nice to have a set that are six feet long, it's nice to have plunger clips, but you don't want to use any of these all the time. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 31 12:23:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696D02D055A for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:23:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837D82D04F4 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id v13so2195548vbk.14 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:23:15 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=Fq8oRm9S4Z1YaVPvlCQ5EAIcea1Nqt7UINiZoo4M0zs=; b=PRqUN5p0DZsg77glWBu6El2IctELa6Wq1abnjMQShMSxLHqkglu1raaiVMYt5Ft+C8 5WtlzJjRi++TP6LbMtJH6UnMfqiPKtoEECpiUKCA4yMpCx5EWV04BZeKzmZ9xfhyqtD0 h9YSwC5VR1yuLhRRp7yWaQBCQIkxPWo/4GF3c+uAj3/g5AfO/y17/YizfRFLaVEaJrhC W2cgjzQjJbuEp5v1BVEeKvlIC0Z9X9N+2vzsObBEi+pHGOOVYRqpOpdV7cuIgn6h3SSF UrV7TRDFUjRF0dN0XRYstct0w6U84F8UX1ay9R+ieXKTuMLsn19XLXWohOB2qQd/GpdT f3Iw== Received: by 10.220.150.145 with SMTP id y17mr18922782vcv.11.1351704195651; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.64.15 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:23:15 -0700 (PDT) References: <50908146.6020907@gmail.com> <50908FF5.5060405@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:23:15 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need a new multimeter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Real cheap (HF-class) meters of today have one big advantage of ones form a few years ago: The test leads are much better made and more secure. A lot of old meters had pin-style plugs that were soldered to cheap thin wire, and either the wire would break off in the plug base, or the plug would fall out of the socket in the meter. Today the leads all seem to have molded-on banana-style plugs with an additional insulating sleeve. This is a good thing. I suspect this is due to consumer safety regulations. Also, having filled my generator several times over the last three days, I am starting to really appreciate the new-style gas cans, with the no-spew spout. I have an old one and a new one, and the old one tends to spew gas all over the generator unless I am very careful. Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 31 15:34:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371EB2D0697 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:34:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A122D05FE for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:49:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hr5N1k00D27AodY5DwqX7H; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:50:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.30.85] ([76.79.185.151]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HwqY1k00f3GQkTw3fwqejk; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:50:54 +0000 From: Brian Kennedy Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:49:59 -0400 References: <50908146.6020907@gmail.com> To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need a new multimeter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net David, I find the Radio Shack VOMS are not very accurate. I Googled VOM reviews and bought whatever was recommended. They work pretty well except the banana plugs from other cables don't stay in very well. I'm on the road, so I don't have the info about the VOMs with me. Brian Kennedy On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:45 AM, David Scheidt wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Scott wrote: >> I suspect my multimeter isn't 100%. The continuity test won't always alarm >> when I touch the probes, the needle doesn't sweep very well, etc. ,etc. I >> just put new batteries in it, so I'm thinking it might be the meter itself. >> >> So who likes their meter and what kind do you have? I'd like to be using >> this thing tomorrow, so ideally I can get a decent one from Radio Shack, >> Ace, etc., but if I really want a whatever I can only get online, I can wait >> a few days for it to be overnighted. I don't make a living with the thing, >> but I'd like to enjoy using it, as opposed to the one I have now which came >> from Home Depot (or Lowe's) and I always questioned. >> >> What does the hive mind say? > > I've got a ~$20 extech one. came with a type k thermocouple, works > fine, seems more likely to last past the first drop. > > Whatever you buy, do yourself a favor and get a kit of probes. It's > ncie to have ones with clips sometimes, it's nice to have a set that > are six feet long, it's nice to have plunger clips, but you don't want > to use any of these all the time. > > > -- > David Scheidt > dmscheidt@gmail.com > _ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive