From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 09:23:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBD142880 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 09:23:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81E140690 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 09:23:43 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 11:07:40 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 02/02/2013 11:06:17, Serialize complete at 02/02/2013 11:06:17 Subject: [Shop-talk] UPDATE- True "keyless" entry add on Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Here is an update on getting TRUE 'keyless entry' into a vehicle. First, thanks a ton to Todd for finding this information. I eventually ordered the keypad (and CANBUS module) for my vehicle. It was about $270 total. Both parts were high quality and I was impressed. Since the module was more for remote starters, the wiring I needed to do wasn't represented in the directions. I few emails to A1 and I had the info I needed (Note, their tech only works with email. Calling them only gets you a sales person. While this isn't ideal, they are friendly and willing to work with you.) Routing wires through the vehicle was a pain (but not as big of a pain as the rear camera wiring when I had a two-way tail gate and VUX dual firewall!). Of course drilling and mounting the keypad is nerve racking and on this truck, you can't mount it in the ideal location. Once installed, it all worked perfectly (and looks pretty cool.) I would recommend this to anyone that wants add one to their vehicle. My only regret is that I didn't get the 'thought the windshield' keypad. It would have saved about 80% of the labor time and I would be able to easily transfer it to another vehicle. If anyone does want to try it, I quickly made a rough wiring diagram by photoshoping the two instruction manuals together and I'll be more than happy to email it to anyone that wants it. (However, your vehicle's CANBUS module may be different.) Overall, I'm a happy camper and the truck is 98% completed (I'm just waiting on the custom cross rails for the roof rack from Vintage auto.) Thanks again Todd and to everyone on this list! Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson Found this. Saw the system listed for around $170. I assume you'd have to cut an opening in the door for the keypad. Other thing that would concern me is that in most newer vehicles many systems communicate electronically via CANBUS and any add-on would have to not upset the computers. On my TDI, for example, the door lock unit has several micro switches that report on the state of the lock and handle position and transmit that info to the car. This info is used to activate/set off the alarm, turn on interior lights, etc. I'd want to be darn sure that this sort of item will work in your specific vehicle before shelling out the dough. http://www.keyless.com/vehiclekeyless.htm Pricing from here: < http://www.a1electric.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AEOS&Product_Code=AKE-5 > This is clever, the "keypad" is behind the windshield so no cutting. Don't know what company makes the system they install or if it can be done by a DIY'er. http://www.enormis.net/products/product?id=56&category_id=6 Todd _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 13:08:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B560424D2 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 13:08:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm17-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5C9403D9 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:58:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2013 19:52:57 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.212] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2013 19:52:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2013 19:52:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359921177; bh=WNlA8qeQYw6s8RyifzF5jdo5K6kRennP7mjngUy2Fuk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Avu7+PzESey41KG2Si8zheW3SkxIvGRb6CQd1Q+UJJkp4E2ifXTdV2OD8Im1zQi3nae20kB8qcVf3tBoogg6TN3J28MlIjerYyBMEv8Fw/jZvjNmS51U8q3WNchjuElbT4xToYnxczetuX4tVORm/ZMgNAJ7j01e/ERMXBdpNmE= yj6yQgOpD2YG3Ht3xvE7p_qvpGoICjBzW522Xjc_OTbzfWaKm5HaeGR07eOL Ke10tKwDgInMv_dtgDOnx3AXt_erUDMWzJqlHqgyYeaQ.Tu00gyeKwtwK2jA p403GS1h9Q0oSTM7MLVfvzGTcbipTBbszk93i6QtwmCVZX7tPukoLKfK2xsk QqpQOG2CnV_ukUPeAvXFRv7xb8yi20zfyLDpCXtoHNhD0AONTTQ1W1PGzXa. lXscNk2wVqRtCzbHbKen1yECaAfuAjRcncWQjGdotWuSAmP.OaZ2JQocfEgy 2lmetHufrT3Nyv9Ds8rkzKBDpUq_WInjvixd2KwqnHo39q85LNHZMyjSnakt 2vQ2YI8pe8vjCBoOQ030IKm6JYv_uoHEDz5zzKEcxab3G39hcm1XSY1Jy2oT K3wdcFzE5siCHPfoFXXUq.Tt3mkD2dqrq04jGCqoPZGvCRGVLFNgQ87zyQWf uQbtDvyTnEPmVZ9sBiMswz_v6ihBA.KVH2.a6jpEtkKUaLVGiiXyudtrwdvj ApM1l5Yqn0FgQWVeql_BcZh3V3aSu0vAJTt1VHdc- Received: from [192.168.1.112] (james.f.juhas@69.183.26.14 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Feb 2013 11:52:57 -0800 PST Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:53:39 -0500 From: Jim Juhas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: Shop Talk List , MGVR@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Shop-talk] Safety Wire Drill Guide Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have one of these: http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=MT002 and I have been unable to successfully drill the proper hole into a bolt head or nut using this. I keep breaking the tip of the drill so I lose the cutting edge of the drill before I can get it to make a hole. Have any of you been able to make this work? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 13:25:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF9940412 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 13:24:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F5B42471 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 13:18:33 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=gwDkVi03Po4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Z5jenvuJg34A:10 a=g4MNYP3iAAAA:8 a=CgFQ8LvupmrA17SEz34A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=-fu6n5SUvKIA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D5/83-25887-2E4CE015; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:13:22 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Jim Juhas'" , "'Shop Talk List'" Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:13:28 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4CSXpqG7NLmio9RkKc4m6ovei4mgAAR66A Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Safety Wire Drill Guide Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I have one of these: > > http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=MT002 > > and I have been unable to successfully drill the proper hole > into a bolt head or nut using this. I keep breaking the tip > of the drill so I lose the cutting edge of the drill before I > can get it to make a hole. Have any of you been able to make > this work? I don't have one, but have you tried first grinding a small flat across the corner of the bolt head, where the hole will go? -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 13:54:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23914256A for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 13:54:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f173.google.com (mail-ob0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84E240646 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 13:44:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id dn14so5626996obc.4 for ; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 12:39:19 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=prCCPH6AJFWtRTuF9lri+Dvtw6Rz4k376zP+CXUtrBc=; b=dYGRi2k86V1BJPwdmrF/AcCdlvenEvBV1WVhvH+x0x9VvCP9TPvzdIu2Z8tObjnmSf rtFmyID113qO8VLMe+ZMhxbCqs/hu6wNr3dv7D/LUaH16HBIlKJ7z1TgLlwuFbY656sF I+rp/v+7M4p2qEStFVBbHp3qTNBoiJh6xAWOJOy4VqrGe55xbOTgRug0TraEjg5CMavc 2Rq0nGeJVeXIIh9dRVk8y2vghi7O8h8vBu2QJDaAx3BBeugSYI76FopLeefgKPZuj+rn JM/SsuNXBFGeBZmqL5R2PGw3YEtZwwM3tk0SpXNt+yP70wCcHVZPeXYyIHcf0PLGUkKO vlmQ== b5mt17403906oeh.98.1359923959476; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 12:39:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.14.8 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:39:19 -0800 (PST) References: <510EC043.5020407@snet.net> Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 14:39:19 -0600 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Safety Wire Drill Guide Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net For me, carbide bits cure most drlll problems, cobalt is next best. Tap fluid or cutting fluid helps. Is it a realy hard bolt? Tony _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 22:54:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A464427CE for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:54:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BCA4254B for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:54:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.drteeth.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D698F3939 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 21:48:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from AMDHexaCore.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03CCAF3936 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 21:48:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 21:45:18 -0800 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke mail.megageek.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20130103191509.00cfc5c0@mail.avvanta.com> localhost.drteeth.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] UPDATE- True "keyless" entry add on Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric wrote: >Here is an update on getting TRUE 'keyless entry' into a vehicle. > >First, thanks a ton to Todd for finding this information. Sweeet! It looked like an interesting solution to your dilemma. Glad it worked out! Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 386,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 4 10:46:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4643940412 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 10:46:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s38.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s38.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.113]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A9740412 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 10:35:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT127-W29 ([65.55.90.73]) by snt0-omc2-s38.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:30:24 -0800 From: PJ McGarvey To: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 12:30:23 -0500 References: <510EC043.5020407@snet.net>, , FILETIME=[50BCE060:01CE02FD] Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Safety Wire Drill Guide Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Not sure if there's any secret here. I've drilled a dozen 1/8" safety wire holes in Grade 8 bolts before using a single cobalt bit in a drill press, and without the tool you linked to - just some vice grips on the bolt head to hold it straight. Make sure the bit is sharp, and if it's not some work with a grinder or diamond file to touch up the cutting edges works to keep it cutting w/out overheating which is probably going to trash the whole bit or break it. Go slow (probably slower than you think) and use oil (wd40 seems to work ok) and take breaks to let the bit cool. -PJ > Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 14:39:19 -0600 > From: eltonclark@gmail.com > CC: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Safety Wire Drill Guide > > For me, carbide bits cure most drlll problems, cobalt is next best. Tap > fluid or cutting fluid helps. Is it a realy hard bolt? > Tony > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 4 12:20:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1410A4040E for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 12:20:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA67403E8 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 12:08:06 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=gwDkVi03Po4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Z5jenvuJg34A:10 a=lUwVbCVfvgni0N9Y54wA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B8/8F-22260-AD500115; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 19:02:51 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'Shop Talk'" Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 11:02:58 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4C/tilMdTVUgXwTqmlbUxTZ2iUOwACvepQ Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Safety Wire Drill Guide Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Not sure if there's any secret here. I've drilled a dozen > 1/8" safety wire holes in Grade 8 bolts before using a single > cobalt bit in a drill press, and without the tool you linked > to - But did you start on the corner of the bolt head? That's what the linked-to tool is designed to do; and it has a guide right next to the bolt head to hold the drill on-center to the corner. Seems to me that even a cobalt bit is going to grab the corner of the bolt head and bind or break; unless you grind a small flat for the bit to start into. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 4 19:18:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CF740449 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 19:18:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s38.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s38.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.113]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8E040435 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 19:18:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT127-W2 ([65.55.90.73]) by snt0-omc2-s38.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:12:51 -0800 From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 21:12:45 -0500 References: , FILETIME=[4CD2F1D0:01CE0346] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Safety Wire Drill Guide Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Nope, I didn't even realize that was something people were doing - and I'm wondering why (though I'm guessing something to do with the strength of the bolt head for torquing?). Maybe a thicker drill bit wouldn't have a problem bending and breaking so easily, almost seems like you're asking for trouble by using that guide and with such a small bit. > From: TR3driver@ca.rr.com > CC: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 11:02:58 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Safety Wire Drill Guide > > > Not sure if there's any secret here. I've drilled a dozen > > 1/8" safety wire holes in Grade 8 bolts before using a single > > cobalt bit in a drill press, and without the tool you linked > > to - > > But did you start on the corner of the bolt head? That's what the linked-to > tool is designed to do; and it has a guide right next to the bolt head to > hold the drill on-center to the corner. Seems to me that even a cobalt bit > is going to grab the corner of the bolt head and bind or break; unless you > grind a small flat for the bit to start into. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 5 07:54:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5FE4053D for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 07:54:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ea0-f176.google.com (mail-ea0-f176.google.com [209.85.215.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746A3403F4 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 07:54:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ea0-f176.google.com with SMTP id a13so100544eaa.7 for ; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 06:49:13 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=MluShj5gTycnfTdxK8W8UMohiI4wdUuvaGGKCfIg5Do=; b=GYPP5sYayUTTQI2mD3rNX4sy9HpdwH9uQKSPA5n7YaWCAufpJZt764+klC/Bjcu/f/ wM2koXoWJOxoV0Q6UEm7X4/2qrWKUPMZtrGRD4vDZUBl8cibEIpph8HSXtQ5TCPYzNu1 wSb2L4EsG0FcNlWFQeM2OtouixFk9CTgubiGn3LRzoLIz/uOz5SzRxEkeX6HVM2UZZ+y tUJc2Qa9tcKsMsBPDg1/H8uPnkDmklpEdGQKnJf4cQvz+B0rTifF+Mjm8Q6sOTrsSKK0 QKKkO/sYDfMJO7Msr6mo3LbvXaNCeTlugXyt/SHM0EugEm0MdLOFxGFxAZH0s3kTBx75 q1LA== z5mr86266630eep.15.1360075753023; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 06:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.209.193 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 06:49:12 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:49:12 -0500 From: Mark Andy To: PJ McGarvey Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Safety Wire Drill Guide Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Howdy, As to "why?" I'm guessing its "don't have to drill as much". Going through a corner of a bolt head seems like it'd be a heck of a lot less material to remove. As for how to actually drill it... I would think it'd be pretty sensitive to what drills you were using and what feed rates. Seems like since you're catching the corner on an angle, it would be pretty easy to overfeed it, causing the drill to take too much of a bite and snap. Is that what's happening, or is it something else? Might have a similar problem coming out, but the bit should be even better supported there. All that said... I've always done like someone else posted and drilled straight through, flat to flat. And I've broken off my share of bits doing it, particularly when I've done it using a hand drill. Mark On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:12 PM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > Nope, I didn't even realize that was something people were doing - and I'm > wondering why (though I'm guessing something to do with the strength of the > bolt head for torquing?). > Maybe a thicker drill bit wouldn't have a problem bending and breaking so > easily, almost seems like you're asking for trouble by using that guide and > with such a small bit. > >> From: TR3driver@ca.rr.com >> CC: shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 11:02:58 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Safety Wire Drill Guide >> >> > Not sure if there's any secret here. I've drilled a dozen >> > 1/8" safety wire holes in Grade 8 bolts before using a single >> > cobalt bit in a drill press, and without the tool you linked >> > to - >> >> But did you start on the corner of the bolt head? That's what the > linked-to >> tool is designed to do; and it has a guide right next to the bolt head to >> hold the drill on-center to the corner. Seems to me that even a cobalt bit >> is going to grab the corner of the bolt head and bind or break; unless you >> grind a small flat for the bit to start into. >> >> -- Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@maracing.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 5 08:10:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080C2403E3 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 08:10:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f176.google.com (mail-gh0-f176.google.com [209.85.160.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293B8403F6 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 08:00:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-gh0-f176.google.com with SMTP id f16so67653ghb.21 for ; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 06:54:53 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Pet4hUKVbMB4yOrzOE1glw1YlPgQCsVRaxx21HyT2Zs=; b=ECWILJYE6HE/+M/TGcaXfqBVm0PBg5/dkjXSBMMI1AuHsjN6wW3J34nlWlycoVPx1U jhdvNeZzT24mmMTtKFScjP0yKKh4LvcJpu8d1VmK085JM1fnhGoXmHDmhwqraMVGcsZY Zrb8gCX81WdPTFldA4AelSmlmxA/AfROkwSPyBDP3eoj9Gj18Yswf1Ghgotc8fw1leJd cPynqQccM9cO8qZ7UwPOjQCUhS6YyIBgVeag/xLqrNtR2b1WWrCHrV/Vy7ekc1tm39sF Vb34mBiDzVbJ4JfcWHpNRNa5L4zfFppHIM0wz46paxgqv71p/OIzxHy21U0Az/Kr4id4 0EEQ== c63mr31413910yhi.91.1360076093892; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 06:54:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (c-71-203-101-6.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. [71.203.101.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s3sm35297717yhm.10.2013.02.05.06.54.52 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Feb 2013 06:54:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 09:54:50 -0500 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Safety Wire Drill Guide Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net A bike I bought had a few that were drilled through the edges of a bolt. I'm trying to remember why now, but at the time it seemed to make sense for that particular bolt. But like Mark said, I've never drilled those myself. I have a hard-enough time drilling through flat-to-flat. I'd do like Randall (I think) said, and grind a flat, then drill. It seems like the fixtures designed to make things easier are hit-and-miss. Some are helpful, and others are just a waste of money. On 2/5/2013 9:49 AM, Mark Andy wrote: > Howdy, > > As to "why?" I'm guessing its "don't have to drill as much". Going > through a corner of a bolt head seems like it'd be a heck of a lot > less material to remove. > > As for how to actually drill it... I would think it'd be pretty > sensitive to what drills you were using and what feed rates. Seems > like since you're catching the corner on an angle, it would be pretty > easy to overfeed it, causing the drill to take too much of a bite and > snap. Is that what's happening, or is it something else? Might have > a similar problem coming out, but the bit should be even better > supported there. > > All that said... I've always done like someone else posted and drilled > straight through, flat to flat. And I've broken off my share of bits > doing it, particularly when I've done it using a hand drill. > > Mark > > On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:12 PM, PJ McGarvey wrote: >> Nope, I didn't even realize that was something people were doing - and I'm >> wondering why (though I'm guessing something to do with the strength of the >> bolt head for torquing?). >> Maybe a thicker drill bit wouldn't have a problem bending and breaking so >> easily, almost seems like you're asking for trouble by using that guide and >> with such a small bit. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 5 19:20:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802A340407 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 19:20:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604FB4003F for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 18:56:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2013 01:50:59 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.249] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2013 01:50:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2013 01:50:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1360115459; bh=dqWiY8TG4ZrYCK3pwr3lGkqKaTDZlwKeN858u5ZGqV0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=cSQHCqADbhcc8ELGZsJBvpmiLydrXD6qMlRELPhnDkh7ZT1Zc42JBKfl5sQHd9e0o0teTz2eMm3WzbT5gVLMYs+okw7bPwKFPvRUZlcBItnQpGyg/ZwUdQioUp1UJF1wbkTT6n053zfffk6mQ3GFlKg3Lxzv3FcdbYxIiNnTF54= bB6G2tTEPiiju.BhV29FjuTg30i0tGbvUiI6de.KChywhNAsbM0wuCE_PDf3 Hf5ultuc1dSHBVJEYQdbbVmte2fOQB9U22N4XV38VTxNshoMsfxZvAxcS1CH iqwieaWc972G94CgiTehr2qjNnK1M4LFGIO4iNbfS2wiygZDHdq.HNv5A6iS RO1ZQgQuvNsPMXy39kcXQVsNR3fBsGEP23NKEm2KjTMkCACW35LtMyWRKofP VZCXl8JCOlVw6o.p57gookibu4qAVk9RUaMhrW49qRArCZY7eTeHQQN5u50u o16uM7pp5KSlSYFMZOTaBmewO5RWQM_sTJDpbsJTQFlVUXjYIFUU9tzYRuj0 2fbNhNOPdwgNlKRsx8zJStV1.5Ao4JqDyJwzBk7NDn0r_MJSqw.4mFL1.Bo6 FU5B_0YAhNEKfOmGAV0fXsuBcI5ltezX3_KV8MXj75P.Sa797WjMiPLfSHhy S2rRFTZXGRh8MxzNWMgrZtxomGJACGluX Received: from [192.168.1.174] (james.f.juhas@69.183.26.185 with xymcookie) by smtp112-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Feb 2013 17:50:59 -0800 PST References: From: Jim Juhas Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:50:56 -0500 To: Mark Andy Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Safety Wire Drill Guide Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I originally posted this question. While the jig presumably can be used on bolt heads, my interest was for locking nuts, not bolt heads, with safety wire. The applications for this include locking the nuts on an external oil pump where the cover is mounted over studs, generally light torque situations. Another method I have used is a castled nut and a hole through the end of the thread on a bolt, but that's not always feasible on the end of a stud. Sent via iPad Jim Juhas On Feb 5, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Mark Andy wrote: > Howdy, > > As to "why?" I'm guessing its "don't have to drill as much". Going > through a corner of a bolt head seems like it'd be a heck of a lot > less material to remove. > > As for how to actually drill it... I would think it'd be pretty > sensitive to what drills you were using and what feed rates. Seems > like since you're catching the corner on an angle, it would be pretty > easy to overfeed it, causing the drill to take too much of a bite and > snap. Is that what's happening, or is it something else? Might have > a similar problem coming out, but the bit should be even better > supported there. > > All that said... I've always done like someone else posted and drilled > straight through, flat to flat. And I've broken off my share of bits > doing it, particularly when I've done it using a hand drill. > > Mark > > On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:12 PM, PJ McGarvey wrote: >> Nope, I didn't even realize that was something people were doing - and I'm >> wondering why (though I'm guessing something to do with the strength of the >> bolt head for torquing?). >> Maybe a thicker drill bit wouldn't have a problem bending and breaking so >> easily, almost seems like you're asking for trouble by using that guide and >> with such a small bit. >> >>> From: TR3driver@ca.rr.com >>> CC: shop-talk@autox.team.net >>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 11:02:58 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Safety Wire Drill Guide >>> >>>> Not sure if there's any secret here. I've drilled a dozen >>>> 1/8" safety wire holes in Grade 8 bolts before using a single >>>> cobalt bit in a drill press, and without the tool you linked >>>> to - >>> >>> But did you start on the corner of the bolt head? That's what the >> linked-to >>> tool is designed to do; and it has a guide right next to the bolt head to >>> hold the drill on-center to the corner. Seems to me that even a cobalt bit >>> is going to grab the corner of the bolt head and bind or break; unless you >>> grind a small flat for the bit to start into. >>> >>> -- Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@maracing.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas@snet.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 07:35:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57776403F1 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 07:35:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from g2host.com (mailfront4.g2host.com [208.42.184.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85FBD403D7 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 07:33:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from [76.164.52.117] (account arvidj@visi.com HELO HP62011) by mailfront4.g2host.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTPA id 96064926; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 08:27:42 -0600 From: "Arvid Jedlicka" To: "Jim Juhas" , "Shop Talk List" , References: <510EC043.5020407@snet.net> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:27:39 -0600 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Safety Wire Drill Guide Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Based on the single review on Amazon it seems like even if you do get it to drill a hole it may be "useless". http://www.amazon.com/Safety-Pliers-Guide-Block-Universal/dp/B005SUVTDY/ref=pd_sbs_indust_5 and from this video ... 26 seconds into the video ... the holes do look "interesting" ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X0sIbucjko -----Original Message----- From: Jim Juhas Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:53 PM To: Shop Talk List ; MGVR@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Shop-talk] Safety Wire Drill Guide I have one of these: http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=MT002 and I have been unable to successfully drill the proper hole into a bolt head or nut using this. I keep breaking the tip of the drill so I lose the cutting edge of the drill before I can get it to make a hole. Have any of you been able to make this work? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/arvidj@visi.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 14:40:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DCD940411 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:40:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22AC403FF for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:34:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa09-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id z9V11k00V4VKuxU019V2KE; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:29:02 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:29:05 -0800 Subject: [Shop-talk] Parts for vise Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ibm looking for 2 items, both accomplish the same function on a vise (bviceb for our British members ). The bTb nut that locks the visebs rotation, as illustrated in the dwg below (assuming the dwg makes it onto the list) is one item. The other item (no example shown) accomplishes the same function but instead of the cross-sliding bTb, there is a vertical slot milled into the top of the pinch nut. A cross drilled hole with pin holds a flip-over piece of flat stock that is used as the lever for tightening the locking nut on the vise base. My problem may be a lack of knowledge of terms. Hard to search if Ibm not using the correct words. Checked Grainger, McMaster, vise companies, etc. all to no avail. Appreciate any assistance. Thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 15:15:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613BC40425 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:15:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD62403FF for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:15:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id z9sQ1k0070FhH24A8A9xBR; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:09:57 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zA9x1k0052yr1eL8UA9x2W; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:09:57 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:09:57 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" s=q20121106; t=1360620597; bh=yh5dwPWyU+PtxU3gcGYJSGexSQoTsV48/2xmZT6C4Is=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=bjOJTLfSBZ26r54DGB9rA2CBCw9qiL5fQmG8KwOKuvxNn1BeXXNrcXIoT9Fz00b81 TICTe3Mlbbw+LHbPiCH9DHFmGOYlEDYpi4ilhp014SCeIXr7yZpDTuhFnZGJS0pf6Q yGcOBa6wV9G89RLpAR9KaH8Wq6rELsia+m8X1/tzfIKD0C+L1W+F8MCqWhFMBdLNds 9Ql4A9+M0RsBenNQXWLx7mUDZAXx453p5lidg1ZumEhLNRp0x7h7Kd9vf7cwD1/bbl tOXT06UJk6R9fXpY0urxp9RtLLM34hPLTEIFDcLKxeDK+Tud5LCPzKZM9AiWu5EMax OXTH1xRcIHhpw== Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Parts for vise Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Drawings don't work on the list. flickr.com is free. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" > To: "Shop Talk" > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 3:29:05 PM > Subject: [Shop-talk] Parts for vise > Ibm looking for 2 items, both accomplish the same function > on a vise (bviceb for our British members ). The bTb > nut that locks the visebs rotation, as illustrated in the dwg > below (assuming the dwg makes it onto the list) is one item. > The other item (no example shown) accomplishes the same > function but instead of the cross-sliding bTb, there is a vertical > slot milled into the top of the pinch nut. A cross drilled hole > with pin holds a flip-over piece of flat stock that is used as > the lever for tightening the locking nut on the vise base. > My problem may be a lack of knowledge of terms. Hard to > search if Ibm not using the correct words. Checked Grainger, > McMaster, vise companies, etc. all to no avail. > > Appreciate any assistance. > Thanks. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 16:11:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C5B4051B for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:11:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982B7403F7 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:11:27 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:53:23 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 02/11/2013 17:52:59, Serialize complete at 02/11/2013 17:52:59 Subject: [Shop-talk] Sticky brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 2003 Toyota spyder that has a driver's side rear brake that freezes close in cold weather. The pads are fine and the cable isn't binding. What can I do to fix it? Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 16:16:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948BE40439 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:16:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897C0403F7 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:16:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2013 23:10:23 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.99] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2013 23:10:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2013 23:10:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 51116 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2013 23:10:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1360624222; bh=Gh1z6ADf2jfaXiPiPS+ij6GlQ6uratSZjl2WxKTBGhg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=n+cAQW5S5zXiEauUQgLPR4uV5OmlAnhcW+9XzHY3uRr3n6rObOrlBWEFZL4u8IktmgRyJr5vlF6nPrnxPNpkq4iDvuD7Ghhw+GHv/HIRONQJ++5KR7j1HcVeun4ohtzPErEsRR5aAxkBKTRddnNdq911CragCGfOBrjsxSM5QC4= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oeWZAKfbi3cHN7utZ1XidQTqI4ajehYrTZ60vrLR4ItAyPyy2Sf5MAb35xntJkxjT49dnEdM0NOwI/rlH1UAocqwI3QhhbMBNpypi5SB9SXXHeoA4LYUyOI3LCDVxMdqkC5+2KBMancFrdAVVVpJi0E1ijmUyiUAHqZVP+U/G6U=; 7NZN5jkJOy.Ehj4MmSoTTYZ5A9dyPCEB8Z4aphbrfR1MKdSQdDp_CCSCsIDG Dnt7ex2b8e0GdeQ3G3BxEoblLH8jBQqgtPRW34MyxiNd0BxHbedAzQC2xU.B .cPhJvQ15JnxzqaDfVBxDAoUmZEenIiDDF15xV.Iq.8x3wkOKbT0mhKVNH2q FLX_xbF.7eVPM9z4Nlro5NBaJX.4X_CiJaW630S1ecpJhxLhA5byk0n1yZ9G io6xWllOe67n0qmYqEoU0USqCzrWkxOEvscWAiS6naU_l_.TWlmOc_w7hK4l K41XM855nZp1Vs8HFUHGJ0bq4aWoz5c6rj20XjT90pTLkksurWY465uKLvU1 ELEA0zNHIifpwjxHpVK5z6A9xSqcCjk.jX14iUUmANBEZKxueduZ5QpPkDnq jsYIlrph80vlhrXzCcDprPUsy4jsedPymU_a92tdugV7A3ynd1t9aI0UUEDL HIOJFFWy5o6.BGs7EUvV1YCPmmIBQYJSW.EFqp9a3sOeUYN4HXT6tjSrNOTX 8dOWyeNi5W9SPjQ-- Received: from [12.167.75.11] by web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:10:22 PST UmVwbGFjZSB0aGUgYnJha2UgY2FibGUuICBUaGUgY2FibGUgZ2V0cyB3YXRlciBpbnNpZGUgdGhlbiBpdCBmcmVlemVzICBhbmQgd29uJ3QgCmxldCB0aGUgYnJha2UgZGlzZW5nYWdlLiAgVGhpcyBzZWVtcyB0byBoYXZlIGJlZW4gYW4gaXNzdWUgIHdpdGggYWxsIGdlbmVyYXRpb25zIApvZiBNUjIuIAoKClJhbmR5CgoKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KRnJvbTogImVyaWNAbWVnYWdlZWsuY29tIiA8ZXJpY0BtZWdhZ2Vlay5jb20.ClRvOiBzaG9wLXRhbGtAQXV0b3guVGVhbS4BMAEBAQE- References: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:10:22 -0800 (PST) From: Rand E To: eric@megageek.com, shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sticky brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Replace the brake cable. The cable gets water inside then it freezes and won't let the brake disengage. This seems to have been an issue with all generations of MR2. Randy ________________________________ From: "eric@megageek.com" To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Mon, February 11, 2013 5:06:15 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Sticky brake I have a 2003 Toyota spyder that has a driver's side rear brake that freezes close in cold weather. The pads are fine and the cable isn't binding. What can I do to fix it? Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mistertwo@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 17:28:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171A740404 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:28:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228AF403DB for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:26:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa09-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id zCLr1k00H4VKuxU01CLri7; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:20:52 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: References: <1347526493.397418.1360620597066.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:20:54 -0800 Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Parts for vise (with photo links) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.powertoolsdirect.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab3 3525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/r/irwin-record-swivel-base-for-pro-entry-vice.jpg http://www.make-your-own-fishing-lures.com/images/work-bench-vise.jpg The above images of a bswivel lock nutb with sliding bTb handle is one item I am looking for. http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss111/GeorgiaHybrid/Matco%20Tool%20Cart/Re cord_01.jpg The second type of bSwivel Lockb is shown on the above photo link. Ibve just found this photo and Ibm going into the world of Record Vices (theybre made in England). Still looking for baftermarketb sources for these two types of nuts, even though the Reed nut now looks more like a bolt to me. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA From: pethier@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 2:09 PM To: Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Parts for vise Drawings don't work on the list. flickr.com is free. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" > To: "Shop Talk" > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 3:29:05 PM > Subject: [Shop-talk] Parts for vise > Ibm looking for 2 items, both accomplish the same function > on a vise (bviceb for our British members ). The bTb > nut that locks the visebs rotation, as illustrated in the dwg > below (assuming the dwg makes it onto the list) is one item. > The other item (no example shown) accomplishes the same > function but instead of the cross-sliding bTb, there is a vertical > slot milled into the top of the pinch nut. A cross drilled hole > with pin holds a flip-over piece of flat stock that is used as > the lever for tightening the locking nut on the vise base. > My problem may be a lack of knowledge of terms. Hard to > search if Ibm not using the correct words. Checked Grainger, > McMaster, vise companies, etc. all to no avail. > > Appreciate any assistance. > Thanks. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6074 - Release Date: 02/01/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 18:45:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BED403ED for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:45:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABBC7403EC for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:42:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2013 01:36:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.214] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2013 01:36:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2013 01:36:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 38137 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2013 01:36:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1360633011; bh=YZW+tQySH12CMRnruv9mWjF4xyyJlio59DbHNS6UMfg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZMqFe3OdNLNW+Rrxv3P4/o5M8L3CtULl8MnprBve97h4PF22EXddVMM7/AquGliHjxZtFelw6OaawdjOl1G3fSVxHpReag+Lmo6nXKhQJaemIO+GQvJ1smqo6KOi2cuQo1IOHildK0ifeyb0yojE9gIQU9cMp13IMRLiaF9WT8E= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=moI8dt8WlgRTR1VMLRsZJdWrAQqguYDxuWDh8rZZRgixt9IMpUk59dQEjLpolQFeaqiLJPZ9DMOWrU7IQkyYHvZcYrIGlXVa95+Bht85EQlpRw1fFa/WImVLBEGwNnqRx9HJDB4K1Y+d2DU08sydOo5F1S4HmFjXvEy9ZMd517Q=; Ze3z5i9hHyBXZ5G9s7vRip6gzi2UhqLC9qVpolcekuaA4xDZi2fSwbNrIeUp 5oC62sv44m8jt9AyTjQ_UAgwdF9vKXEC8tGpPTnq5PQ.VshoyWue0Wel3k4D sDED0dN2gdI529ZRL4rfk_lpaOUQdI3s34Dw4gz5nya2xUm_mGPtan59Yz6i gwlxwXM_5uaO4q9zW_ic9EsckaSAR7d1OC5EkfGjjDinMkNkSlTYom5Ire_5 ._zDFiNC73_6LWKv5tEYvkC4NucETpNl4aZcQi_7Mcxn3vLmCkqIaWKImy3n tl_YT8I1X__ld7anuJ6sxCW.kSnUQW4KuylEwVuNFHGj0et96GKOE.9foX7o nrnpkrICHqdt45IXTFiivaVRpV8IyVA7evabOrLjXFbn0LSW2gFUhg9d.ngA dRwqDm6La9FvzqnAQzLIchUej1gI3zMQyzkKK.xbcuXzNBU0bLOQ9LK2RR_B BFfS0qaAnbojlyvEpF.Wq.mWoQwTTIMxc5crOIU91.J6SecJ5Ie0l846GeCL NAepQERLT4SIAseEOJQ_4HKiztDp3aSx38sIzfUM- Received: from [65.3.194.68] by web140005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:36:51 PST WDIuIMKgSSByZWNhbGwgdGhpcyBiZWluZyBhbiBpc3N1ZSB3aGVuIEkgd2FzIGFjdGl2ZSBvbiB0aGUgTVIyIGxpc3QuIFRoZSBsaXN0IGlzIHN0aWxsIHJ1bm5pbmcgYXMgZmFyIGFzIEkga25vdy4gSSBiZWxpZXZlIHRoZSBpc3N1ZSB3YXMgdGhlIHJ1YmJlciBib290IHRoYXQgbGV0IHdhdGVyIGluLCBhbmQgdGhhdCB3YXRlciBmcmVlemVzIHdoZW4gZXZlcnl0aGluZyBjb29scyBkb3duLgoKTGlzdCBpbmZvIGhlcmU6CgpodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1yMi5jb20vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9tcjJfbXIyLmNvbQoBMAEBAQE- References: <1360624222.48648.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:36:51 -0800 (PST) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sticky brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net X2. I recall this being an issue when I was active on the MR2 list. The list is still running as far as I know. I believe the issue was the rubber boot that let water in, and that water freezes when everything cools down. List info here: http://www.mr2.com/mailman/listinfo/mr2_mr2.com B >________________________________ > From: Rand E >To: eric@megageek.com; shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net >Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:10 PM >Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sticky brake > >Replace the brake cable. The cable gets water inside then it freezes and won't >let the brake disengage. This seems to have been an issue with all generations >of MR2. > >(snip) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 20:49:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F07340400 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:49:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 88C00403ED for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:49:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 68076 invoked by uid 3198); 12 Feb 2013 03:43:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Feb 2013 03:43:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:43:13 -0500 (EST) From: David Hillman To: Battmain References: <1360624222.48648.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1360633011.37916.YahooMailNeo@web140005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Cc: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sticky brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, 11 Feb 2013, Battmain wrote: > X2. I recall this being an issue when I was active on the MR2 list. The list > is still running as far as I know. I believe the issue was the rubber boot > that let water in, and that water freezes when everything cools down. That List is very low traffic these days. You'll have better luck on mr2oc.com. All eight MR2s that I've owned have had a frozen handbrake cable at some point... except, of course, my current ice racer which has been practically encased in ice, but never had that problem. But I thought Eric said the cable wasn't the problem on his Spyder? -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 23:12:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1835F40437 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 23:12:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF27C4040C for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 23:05:40 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=dh5ie0W2AucA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=dwUX5jB8OQ4A:10 a=BpnhGZTUAAAA:20 a=rUm-WQs2AAAA:20 a=02izLRSeAAAA:20 a=RqOAJGx8AAAA:8 a=Cuc74THFAAAA:20 a=csjN-LO4AAAA:20 a=FTQBXyNAAAAA:20 a=HlpVbXM-TSHdUDB6q3oA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=pYc0dUoIQH4A:10 a=9tH6LUo81O8A:10 a=7V-KBDxFJ-kA:10 a=er6c_4Fj3ywA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 4C/36-25887-45AD9115; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 05:59:48 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Shop Talk'" Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 21:59:56 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4ItxQfSqFJJGrzQ+mObhPQbOhFHAALI0WA Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Parts for vise (with photo links) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Here are shorter versions of Steve's links: First type of lock handle: http://goo.gl/IUuSD http://goo.gl/NmpYV Second type: http://goo.gl/1r8on Unfortunately, I've never seen parts like that for sale separately, except as repair parts. Either one would be easy enough to make, though, especially if they don't need to be hardened. (I'm pretty sure the ones on my cheap Chinese vice aren't hardened, and they've taken all the abuse I've given them for over 30 years.) -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 03:44:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFEEF4051C for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 03:44:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2AC40439 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 03:44:09 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 05:26:29 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 02/12/2013 05:25:39, Serialize complete at 02/12/2013 05:25:39 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sticky brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net David writes... > But I thought Eric said the cable wasn't the problem on his Spyder? When the brake is frozen, I can move the handle up and down w/out resistance. I would image that if the cable as frozen, the hand brake lever wouldn't move. I was able to free it up by gently prying the brake pad away from the rotor this last time when the brake was frozen. Thanks again for all the help. I'm still considering the new cable as a "try it" method. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 03:50:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181C740537 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 03:50:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D20F403F6 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 03:49:54 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 05:32:15 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 02/12/2013 05:31:22, Serialize complete at 02/12/2013 05:31:22 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Parts for vise (with photo links) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Not to hijack this thread, But just last week I decided to 'restore' a vice that I was given to me from a friend. It was a cheap China vise, but I figure it only need to be sanded and then repainted so I spent an evening with it. Since I was putting it on my welding table, it would get beat up anyway. Once I sand blasted the old paint off, I couldn't believe what I saw. The entire vice was pitted metal. But at the factory they bondo the entire thing to make it look smooth. It really opened my eyes to just how cheap some things can be made. So, of course I had to rebondo the entire vice. In the end, it came out pretty neat. (I did a 2 tone paint job with a few bare metal accents! ) 8>) I'm just sharing. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 04:30:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C99F4052F for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 04:30:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2494052D for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 04:30:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zPJy1k0011HpZEsA3PQCWZ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:24:12 +0000 Received: from stargate ([67.167.187.93]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zPQB1k00V21LTYK8aPQClX; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:24:12 +0000 From: "gordies garage" To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 06:24:53 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1360668252; bh=adz++1knsejdQ3XzpZANiRbWYUCY0PnSa1l0JNUMkdg=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nd6FNVgcmP5IQcYwCrNBiqCwwUpbu/EP7Fcb8ImL1ZK705VQhZzpWQ/ZEwy/gHqwP 2mx+MZszKxfODM2iAvxaU/jnvItm3Mi1Env5zNc40IVNatKEBsMMON0gMiCGviDaFx bcz4RpOIQm5tio6iPj266ExnPWK2nXvpu+zOguke85QNv8DnMk7Va9QAKvFRtquVA6 7E5T6hm49vFDOU37NMa+MamOxTBp6brvDFO4sWK1/M1MrSoYLzk6bYv0MslX611ZKE QfFalqfRSUiltVfBwKFmKtPq6YX8yIqk5GST+VVlPKa+xaztf6Mg3K6H+B1kd5fmXN ag89WPLYZ/C5w== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sticky brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net With sufficient water in the brake system, it is possible that it freezes in the caliper just enough to seize your pads. When was the last time you did a brake fluid flush? Gordie -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:26 AM To: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sticky brake > David writes... > >> But I thought Eric said the cable wasn't the problem on his Spyder? > > > When the brake is frozen, I can move the handle up and down w/out > resistance. I would image that if the cable as frozen, the hand brake > lever wouldn't move. > > I was able to free it up by gently prying the brake pad away from the > rotor this last time when the brake was frozen. > > Thanks again for all the help. I'm still considering the new cable as a > "try it" method. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 07:19:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6993440514 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:19:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD2740439 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:10:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zRd11k0060S2fkCA1S54EF; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:05:04 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zS531k00Y2yr1eL8VS53sd; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:05:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:05:03 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: eric@megageek.com s=q20121106; t=1360677904; bh=6is71efrAA2rTy5tfa8LsG6LFRvCQzl5WUQDR+TdhNs=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=BBuLpgYqtOmZ1WALMRwAN5RPEUbpYHtDjPy1npkPP/WMr3o8oebWCCQTqHpA/5S45 Oo0YeXjKXU+ryZBlxlqRJ+VxpNdOJeveoHc7yNudM47QA+huh14reihN60XwRWNGQ2 6ZoY0CCF5Xj6w2QEstvZzQYoXg/tdHanGyFagTv+Crkn4rBlsihiAkOiTJJXQP4oFm ixXIvWYwBJgrRb0RHojmfCzmVA39pWJ684kJJHb1Rb5kOYt5H5BxEt26gCXGCXpL0t 039bS7n+tnYq9+UZm4tJz8eDFGrUNpmX7fLFBWLLTisq4eYAH+Hb8vvjtnLmXGsfOM It5dYYzlKFMUg== Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sticky brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Original Message ----- > From: eric@megageek.com > To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 4:26:29 AM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sticky brake > When the brake is frozen, I can move the handle up and down w/out > resistance. What you are describing is a corroded brake cable. We know all about that here in the Salt Capital of the World. I would image that if the cable as frozen, the hand brake > lever wouldn't move. Quite the reverse. Brake cable is rusty and sticks. You yank up the cable to set the brake. The cable sticks. The parking-brake return spring is not as strong as you are, and is unable to overcome the sticktion in the cable. > I was able to free it up by gently prying the brake pad away from the > rotor this last time when the brake was frozen. Consistent with above. > Thanks again for all the help. I'm still considering the new cable as > a > "try it" method. I'm considering it the "cure-it" method. My MG Midget had a zerk fitting on the middle of the parking-brake cable. A shot of grease there meant no parking-brake-cable problems ever. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 21:11:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961C84053D for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:11:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D1A40539 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:01:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zSTC1k0060vp7WLA3fvBTo; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 03:55:11 +0000 Received: from SusieandMarkPC ([76.21.64.167]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zfvA1k0063cWj0U8RfvANz; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 03:55:10 +0000 From: "Mark Miller" To: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 19:55:09 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4JnesUzcvGgDteTAOn5qkFrycggA== s=q20121106; t=1360727711; bh=LhhkeKUAf1NsJ3WumG1NTl1Gg1wlMyGJzPBiTdMAeao=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XR7ZBSMHFhpGwVThcyEaoMIYBy2JPbqDoJwgDxEFZSwzJ2mimhoffmtMQRPs1zEhH ynyx+n6K735AiQw8CnuX1std1J8wGjpT46RQm6ZlWkqQukeLyeT2bxtknnNL7XP+hQ HnDKC10Qvp35bZi9eNa6FQnyCaR0R45ZRli4sge592Oe227pkFY5u4u1LCATaAX/s/ zhk04MvigTD9UI0ybIb8ZuMJCanESMe+sKPRfRSa69aWZbAa5wHawSWMfDujVGvf2h m2RKMpW2DWBjRTWE5dNka0RVgYVR70KyQ8UAckG3NPYc9ERXnwkg/QDEfx8MY39RJG cGPmm3t6rJYEQ== Subject: [Shop-talk] Good MG midget design?!?! was: Sticky brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net <<>> I owned a midget for a couple of years and this is the first time I ever heard anyone say anything good about their engineering. I certainly never did. Mark Miller Ducking and covering from the onslaught of (likely) flawed parts heaving their way towards my head _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 22:25:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343024054B for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:25:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5214140536 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:24:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zgqP1k00416AWCUABhJFo0; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 05:18:15 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zhJF1k00Q2yr1eL8ShJFsP; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 05:18:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 05:18:15 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: markmiller@threeboysfarm.com s=q20121106; t=1360732695; bh=nEIuwEqWENtCEJEqLHQws1zn3L1F1v+wC7PzC7Ih15s=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=U9F0FAcaKa6/pjVvxadZWsOP4I0Ag9KOQIfh0W29ZoBoBX0Az3H9Le/OGI7KO1tbC h3H55RWJPjajacyTTN/QnKyQNtFUa5vSS8YScUD+FdiJDYNX3DDBQsR4gjYohTgJv9 JVLE5Rc7jGT+72pfwvgitG2VRCZjAVvVLxpONJvovqJ/yyLkFx/Zp0RASwkZrW9pET m8EB8Z3MT94KDHIZ1pOWI7xRCRsh7lXXLH0j39EKdWA41BJab3YnImuYC5BMMeHZnC tkoPBos2ezKxs8w9nok8VmFGooD0Wi8s/9Mjk6AMyR+eqmsOFMi/0NoG7c+ayVR4rZ rXSEYsqFW8Vrg== Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Good MG midget design?!?! was: Sticky brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Just about the best steering and gearchange (shortening the stick helps) of any car. What's not to like? Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Miller" > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Cc: pethier@comcast.net > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 9:55:09 PM > Subject: Good MG midget design?!?! was: Sticky brake > << cable. > A shot of grease there meant no parking-brake-cable problems ever.>>> > > I owned a midget for a couple of years and this is the first time I > ever > heard anyone say anything good about their engineering. I certainly > never > did. > > Mark Miller > Ducking and covering from the onslaught of (likely) flawed parts > heaving > their way towards my head _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 09:25:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA89B40E40 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:25:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from g2host.com (mailfront4.g2host.com [208.42.184.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6241040551 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:17:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from [76.164.52.117] (account arvidj@visi.com HELO HP62011) by mailfront4.g2host.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTPA id 97032116; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:11:59 -0600 From: "Arvid Jedlicka" To: , References: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:11:58 -0600 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sticky brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If I am not mistaken that defines exactly what happens with the "frozen cable". Water gets into the cable housing and freezes. When you apply the hand brake there is tremendous leverage and you can easily apply enough force to overcome the freeze and set the parking brake. Return a few hours later and things have refrozen but the only force available to pull the cable back thru the housing is the spring at the caliper end. Not nearly enough to overcome the frozen cable. Therefore the brake does not release and the lever moves about the cabin freely as the spring force that normally provides the resistance you feel is being held up by the frozen cable. Options include: Do not use the parking brake in cold weather ... use the parking brake but include "gentle prying" as part of the 'release parking brake' incantation ... try to remove the water from the cable ... replace the cable as the rubber boots that are suppose to prevent water from getting in there in the first place may be shot. If I recall correctly, when I replaced mine I shot a lot of motorcycle cable lubricant into the new ones on my '93 MR2 in an effort to stave of the inevitable water entry as long as possible. Arvid -----Original Message----- From: eric@megageek.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 4:26 AM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sticky brake David writes... > But I thought Eric said the cable wasn't the problem on his Spyder? When the brake is frozen, I can move the handle up and down w/out resistance. I would image that if the cable as frozen, the hand brake lever wouldn't move. I was able to free it up by gently prying the brake pad away from the rotor this last time when the brake was frozen. Thanks again for all the help. I'm still considering the new cable as a "try it" method. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/arvidj@visi.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 15:06:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94F540515 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:06:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from gateway08.websitewelcome.com (gateway08.websitewelcome.com [69.56.176.29]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112B440440 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:01:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by gateway08.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 7216A5F5C58FD; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:55:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator52.hostgator.com (gator52.hostgator.com [184.173.194.222]) by gateway08.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F315F5C58D9 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:55:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from leexray by gator52.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1U6pir-0000T7-T2 for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:55:05 -0600 Received: from 204.236.219.42 ([204.236.219.42]) (proxying for 99.101.202.162) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by www.automate-it.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:55:05 -0600 References: <5108B105.9090208@milleredp.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:55:05 -0600 From: "Lee Daniels" To: shop-talk@autox.team.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 with any abuse report /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php Subject: [Shop-talk] Sanding cylinders on drill press Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a "mini" Craftsman drill press that's useful for relatively small projects. I've had it for several years and use it occasionally. It came with several "cylinders" for sanding, but I have no idea what these are really good for. I tossed them up on the shelf when I set up the press and they've been there ever since. I came across them again to day when cleaning up. See a photo here: http://www.automate-it.com/photos/0sanding.jpg I assume there's a use for which they're ideally suited - what would that be? thanks, Lee _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 15:12:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB7540545 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:12:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f182.google.com (mail-ia0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8FC40444 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:11:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ia0-f182.google.com with SMTP id w33so4236530iag.41 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:05:40 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cLzx0OyakEN4NbCXZOMhIdXNqRm/P6JQ+2TW0xH5Ogg=; b=R+Zua19mjI7cHiYHwGT9Zc2beIIo+KKYWdjCQVEA+ivVd6IKMcbcMe0TjuUigGGlya q36nHRV4VlGxKHfFiyS1sHgLRDb0US8JU5bFy8okBFp5ur4XS9DhLJ4DecPFtNZaci2r f9y4QaJiWFEB7xWcl4coju6HERBQ+bBQqdQBfsKqX0Th1SwW6RHvGVszGaUNu0uKixSV 55+HHmrOLV4jC4HkwoLsnOyfK7u5j33qlwhV7cpEFq9LBbGr8FJRMhtgaV+qMcoi2w0Q pXTEgw5shjfnRp+ye+vaLj9ajCC3CcLr6Wuuwaciq6BWjmD6azAhpf4JCTuyGC3amNNH U4vg== xl7mr213300igb.89.1361052339918; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.44.116 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:05:39 -0800 (PST) References: <5108B105.9090208@milleredp.com> <57f4447e8665b4a10005be87aeb6b6d3.squirrel@www.automate-it.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:05:39 -0500 From: Paul Parkanzky To: Lee Daniels Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sanding cylinders on drill press Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I inherited boxes of those of all different lengths and diameters from my father. He used them any time he had to smooth the edges on small pieces when he did woodworking. For instance, to finish up wooden shelf brackets or similar. -Paul On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Lee Daniels wrote: > I have a "mini" Craftsman drill press that's useful for relatively small > projects. I've had it for several years and use it occasionally. It came > with > several "cylinders" for sanding, but I have no idea what these are really > good > for. I tossed them up on the shelf when I set up the press and they've been > there ever since. I came across them again to day when cleaning up. See a > photo here: > http://www.automate-it.com/photos/0sanding.jpg > I assume there's a use for which they're ideally suited - what would that > be? > > thanks, > Lee _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 15:21:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C69B40549 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:21:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail966c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail966c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.156]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B0140444 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:17:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail966c35.nsolutionszone.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail966c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r1GMBfEW032491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:11:41 GMT Received: (from webmail@localhost) by mail966c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.12.2/Submit) id r1GMBfPs032489; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:11:41 GMT Received: from 152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov (152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov [152.133.7.64]) by webmail2.centurytel.net (Webmail 4.0 V.V.I.) with HTTP for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:11:41 -0500 From: ejrussell@mebtel.net To: , "Lee Daniels" Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:11:41 -0500 User-Agent: Webmail 4.0 a=vFMCQZgPscsA:10 a=OxA2fI3fvqkA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=GPr01A5e9VcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=QiQcBifw3rKpjI8epQikPQ==:17 a=xdmlJVf0AAAA:8 a=icP9HOiJ77bKha3whhYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=s7wbwcEapakA:10 a=WkljmVdYkabdwxfqvArNOQ==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sanding cylinders on drill press Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Quoting Lee Daniels : > I assume there's a use for which they're ideally suited - what would that be? Umm, sanding concave curves... I use similar items frequently on woodworking projects. If you can use one hand to hold the project piece and the other to move the drill press spindle up & down you'll get an even finer finish. I also made an auxillary table with a hole in it so the sanding drum can project below the surface slightly - that way the entire edge gets sanded without having the sanding drum contacting the table. Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 16:23:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447DA40453 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:23:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F121940440 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:22:59 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:05:53 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 02/16/2013 18:03:59, Serialize complete at 02/16/2013 18:03:59 Subject: [Shop-talk] Auto thermometers and clocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I am looking for an add-on clock and external thermometer for my truck. Anyone know of one. Ideally, it would be hard wired to the truck (read ) and it would be back lit. (one that came on with the truck would be perfect.) Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 16:52:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E301140519 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:52:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BF2403FA for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:46:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1AVv1l0021HpZEsACBgF8f; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 23:40:15 +0000 Received: from Mike ([98.232.69.122]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1BgE1l00V2eHDqS8aBgF82; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 23:40:15 +0000 From: "Mike" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:40:44 -0800 s=q20121106; t=1361058015; bh=2iC8Tt93xihfCy5Vr3nRw+FNRjUgoJVYAEfuBLMTDJ4=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=VHNQD5bNpVJqWqOUZkb4+OtjMbNb7kT+X3RY+sBPR25ME3hgxavDamhizHakoL8JQ fj9sCYhcowWnYzUVGXoKGoINzXV195JuLwXLbq3Zf5CL6H5Zm8N+GSdWlVcTp38BEl dKjYo8HYMLg3Gzrlp3h3VzC6ndKDhRHujysW+K3uSQ0up4sBAWW0HovCK0NFG2BXpD J6/yTjoiJGL8SgfUvEoFOqYEZuZzgXUakXz6fKA6PbOWZdf0WZMT8n874IUNbuW01r H1g2bFglTNuQqph7G4sGLtQXO0gREU9box74dSGpf1KhNsBiQkIYE3ksRVTChtUj6D tjI5jzJzsElug== Subject: [Shop-talk] Fw: Auto thermometers and clocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric, I can't offer much on your search, but maybe someone out there knows where I can find an altimeter that is made for putting in/on the dash. I haven't seen anything anywhere. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 3:05 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Auto thermometers and clocks >I am looking for an add-on clock and external thermometer for my truck. > Anyone know of one. > > Ideally, it would be hard wired to the truck (read ) and it > would be back lit. (one that came on with the truck would be perfect.) > > Thanks. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 16:57:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05C54053C for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:57:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAA840406 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:57:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 8so3765057wgl.30 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:51:24 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=p1+75pLG1Z54IohRq6DSOwRJv8eVLD5lD6CxXhJ2LIA=; b=ga3HttdeIN9Z5djjJkr8Jefu4cBrDPwylyG3DmMsKGFTTyVwmVwbOmTdv0GHHUXVHd Q37406NysQxCpJsCKU37+/DN/YfyCVaLrrQyMVlUbgN5h/yl7I2sMvqcqfUocj0/8A+U 8+K2wC4/OszhM+gL40CGXP5P7pEy0ZspptVEatkg9eM/LTHfq2L2Ygbmof/AHYac+W6K gsCqPNz274S1TF5eAYeLVG4UMYNbkCjAg1JO74+hX4kbaZBYCnGttYSaows1+fvdwaXK zQtFVssrdDw/Vvdm0qy2j8YajOgFe4OPAjmDm2Pg8CwMG6i8t8CNHHeji29rav117vt8 eyQw== ux9mr11307512wjc.36.1361058684383; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:51:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.0.11 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:51:24 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:51:24 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Mike Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: Auto thermometers and clocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've been looking at this one but haven't bought one yet. http://www.altimeters.net/altaltilinq.html Brad On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Mike wrote: > Eric, I can't offer much on your search, but maybe someone out there knows > where I can find an altimeter that is made for putting in/on the dash. I > haven't seen anything anywhere. > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 3:05 PM > Subject: [Shop-talk] Auto thermometers and clocks > > > I am looking for an add-on clock and external thermometer for my truck. >> Anyone know of one. >> >> Ideally, it would be hard wired to the truck (read ) and it >> would be back lit. (one that came on with the truck would be perfect.) >> >> Thanks. >> >> Eric P >> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational >> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph >> Waldo Emerson >> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >> options/shop-talk/phoenix722@**comcast.net >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/bkahler1@**gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 17:08:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AF140519 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:08:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2100A40406 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:05:08 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PnS9JfoMnrtngbeQIh8vt9Vnx9sR8jKs2E5+4g4KYtN9Qo27fy9Ydm8mnh3dveh7; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.129.27.165] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1U6ref-00014q-3i; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:58:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:58:23 -0800 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: Lee Daniels References: <5108B105.9090208@milleredp.com> <57f4447e8665b4a10005be87aeb6b6d3.squirrel@www.automate-it.com> Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sanding cylinders on drill press Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Lee - they are great for sanding curved edges that you cut with a jig, band, or scroll saw. Take a piece of thick plywood or a 1x and cut a hole about 1/2" bigger than the sanding bit you are using and clamp it to the drill press table. Raise the table so the edge of the bit is below the board with the hole and sand away. Start at low speed, especially with the larger sanding bits. Use the biggest bit that fits the curve for the smoothest results. Brian On 2/16/2013 1:55 PM, Lee Daniels wrote: > I have a "mini" Craftsman drill press that's useful for relatively small > projects. I've had it for several years and use it occasionally. It came with > several "cylinders" for sanding, but I have no idea what these are really good > for. I tossed them up on the shelf when I set up the press and they've been > there ever since. I came across them again to day when cleaning up. See a > photo here: > http://www.automate-it.com/photos/0sanding.jpg > I assume there's a use for which they're ideally suited - what would that be? > > thanks, > Lee > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 17:09:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2534840406 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:09:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CA44053A for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:08:47 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=g9V_DPiAnK8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=JCctf0UcXjkA:10 a=6VrfGefjAAAA:20 a=NqZYR_glAAAA:8 a=-l_jBqOuAAAA:20 a=-fFqBAjEBSj9Mgnflf4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=B-UZEh4A1TsA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 7F/23-11869-61E10215; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 00:02:30 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Mike'" , "'Shop Talk'" Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:02:34 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4Mn8eyqECXQvzxSSGegOP8h/1CmwAAWpVA Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: Auto thermometers and clocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Eric, I can't offer much on your search, but maybe someone > out there knows where I can find an altimeter that is made > for putting in/on the dash. If you Google for "dash altimeter" (without the quotes), you'll get lots of hits. I didn't see any designed to mount in the dash, but lots and lots designed to mount on top. This is a typical example: http://goo.gl/pAjtH As an alternative, you might look into a GPS unit that displays altitude. They have to solve for it internally, the only question is whether it will display it or not. Since the GPS is not affected by barometric pressure, it should be more accurate. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 17:24:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BAB140395 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:24:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720EC40406 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:17:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo209 ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130217001127.IJKZ7113.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo209> for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:11:27 -0500 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.211.88]) by eastrmimpo209 with cox id 1CAd1l00D1uzUvs01CBSNK; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:11:27 -0500 a=uMyTlBfukKJCgtmHy1UhRw==:17 a=WAZOyyQt5AAA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=JHNoysNNaAMA:10 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=y5Rj0mRZAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=00m8lQ6uXg2lAjTncbMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=6vHKomjHKCoA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=fN2J7l6Gh3oA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=tDBysk3u_uWXPGIp:21 a=cUS9Ytz7xDqMPdDr:21 a=5kdxaCM7W_-l4pY1QdAA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=ororg4E4qSYA:10 a=upQCA6GsYCUA:10 a=6su-Ckrg5neKPwDL:21 a=uMyTlBfukKJCgtmHy1UhRw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:10:41 -0500 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: "John T. Blair" mail.megageek.com> References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Auto thermometers and clocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At 06:05 PM 2/16/2013, eric@megageek.com wrote: >I am looking for an add-on clock and external thermometer for my truck. >Anyone know of one. Check your local walmart store. My kids got me one for Xmas < $10 http://www.walmart.com/ip/Bell-Lighted-In-Out-Thermometer-Clock/14324182 John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 18:47:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B724044C for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:47:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D40540406 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:47:26 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=PSEABM4U3CIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=JCctf0UcXjkA:10 a=R64HMq8jUevx-L1-7gIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 5F/F3-25866-73530215; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 01:41:11 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'Shop Talk'" Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:41:15 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4Mo89zvrIKWCPHRnOUrPWyOBcjuQACwlfQ Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: Auto thermometers and clocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Figure +/- 75 feet for most > situations. Wow, is consumer GPS really that bad? I'll admit I'm out of touch, since I work in a higher accuracy field; but we can generally hit within a foot (20 cm RMS) even with just WAAS corrections. And we get all kinds of heat if we're off by even 6" with our global correction service. Local network RTK is even better. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 19:14:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06AD240523 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:14:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f49.google.com (mail-la0-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C07D403E4 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:14:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id fs13so4441349lab.8 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:07:56 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5uIvYb7+AWTjN1Qraw0CVNt2tEoKbswx96CArlfbA1c=; b=N2zE+0FxXmg05p6olflMgmJQA3DCfEG8RaYxatCgjYZzsA1vucz+Ql1Ph46gkdzd7f amHDMr4tskG7Dj8X88NtMpze4EQJ9o+tef1tXV+GTGMUXneTQgOz7WbWtA6OH07ShPsz DJsaF09m56EAftEEqNi5cwpRIooyW4F5EwSrYb2s+mHoHOXIEzupu/u108yzCZP5J9L0 RQprIpqXlpsyVF6TP+hXVjh0kmDSTQVOCVBv8H+Yi1d2x39ml0K6pYyRA0OEoBROf1wZ voj0bWckKrNXWo87Gk4AR/qpy0GGSA94h2cXOKdA+tEVhyK3bXD7405wy7av5jhQxDLp LIXg== lr4mr6520690lab.28.1361066876780; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.41.164 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:07:56 -0800 (PST) References: <5F.F3.25866.73530215@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:07:56 -0500 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: Auto thermometers and clocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Randall wrote: > Wow, is consumer GPS really that bad? The average dashboard GPS is lucky to get within a hundred feet. It uses an algorithm that assumes you are on a roadway to put your car icon in the right place... > I'll admit I'm out of touch, since I > work in a higher accuracy field; but we can generally hit within a foot (20 > cm RMS) even with just WAAS corrections. And we get all kinds of heat if > we're off by even 6" with our global correction service. Local network RTK > is even better. Having spent some time in that field myself, I know just what you mean. With GPS plus a correction service, I was able to use the last recorded position to go back out later and find the receiver battery that fell off the tractor without anyone noticing. The system took me to within 6 inches of where the battery was half-buried in the tall grass. But our Trimble R6 base and rover could do better than that...I've been able to locate plot corners from previous year's experiments by navigating to the spot and digging directly underneath the base of the rover pole. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 19:29:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118B840541 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:29:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8812403FA for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:21:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130217021458.KIZE6169.mta11.charter.net@imp09> for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:14:58 -0500 Received: from wt07 ([209.225.8.57]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id 1EEy1l00D1Dq0wp05EEySe; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:14:58 -0500 a=oMYkpb8T+nmQxbfzdLh4Qg==:17 a=OY-Doh5pkb0A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=g9V_DPiAnK8A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=JCctf0UcXjkA:10 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pJk5viUnfo9ePv_frlYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=fN2J7l6Gh3oA:10 a=BcwT0Smst7MCtTIIGOhIgQ==:117 Received: from [23.30.225.5] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:14:58 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:14:58 -0500 (EST) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: Auto thermometers and clocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I can't add anything else either but I'd be interested in most of the below with a compass added....... tim On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Mike wrote: > Eric, I can't offer much on your search, but maybe someone out there > knows where I can find an altimeter that is made for putting in/on the > dash. I haven't seen anything anywhere. > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 3:05 PM > Subject: [Shop-talk] Auto thermometers and clocks > > >> I am looking for an add-on clock and external thermometer for my >> truck. >> Anyone know of one. >> >> Ideally, it would be hard wired to the truck (read ) >> and it >> would be back lit. (one that came on with the truck would be >> perfect.) >> >> Thanks. >> >> Eric P >> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a >> rational >> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." >> Ralph >> Waldo Emerson >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 20:47:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3942F40521 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:47:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f174.google.com (mail-vc0-f174.google.com [209.85.220.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A6B403EC for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:46:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id n11so2960374vch.5 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:40:37 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=RaVg9XzSgUgFB8F+1McOfR4RyAlhG5s0jHdtsMLY6Uk=; b=QL8xXKufVqLZ7d4OF8snHMo6H40Ntz/tFm21Ty3gp5sTw1YoorNbTsiILvHSs2dzdh /r+z6QIrDJDWgBqx4aYP1hWZekYir12pvHkgL4/WfwGjsbf3QJw5XkfNyLOvWJB9Vdik 2eoKBsCdJCERVRr0+S4/68ZI1xV3+lczHsf8UOvjTqN9towHhHtas8xgb+NodcK7t1+8 sASRDicifvq29MTcf6CQlCLhG94KSqsQmmqOAG7PPmsRW35ajtYVRHKtsDxnrMlKiwtv FdULTRAau+zy+flj7dzTMvRKLTruAGSawYngYShedlR3rj60c6e+yJbpUemLciwq0tGH 6RXg== Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.118.9 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:40:36 -0800 (PST) References: <5108B105.9090208@milleredp.com> <57f4447e8665b4a10005be87aeb6b6d3.squirrel@www.automate-it.com> <51201D1F.2040709@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:40:36 -0500 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sanding cylinders on drill press Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Or rotate the table way off to one side, so the drum can project a bit below the table. Doug On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: > Take a piece of thick plywood or a 1x and cut a hole about 1/2" bigger > than the sanding bit you are using and clamp it to the drill press table. > Raise the table so the edge of the bit is below the board with the hole > and sand away. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 20:49:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE7E40524 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:49:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com (mail-vb0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97BFA403EC for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:48:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id b13so2964330vby.33 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:42:38 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=FELafMP/KkHyU6L9fnE/celkWCESH36Kg3+TlVENXKU=; b=lohtdI9uRjzncs2bO6K8s2yrv0/OlyHK3skN4loHEd6vy8ogmWXB2bgTP5IaaB/DtE CF9skYAKs8Fx0R4N0VbDX+GmLJ3uQEAant7HLdPxp/nu6y3TscT1rwcGJhZXeVJqtm/l j/RIKKYyx5vhySI3C2n+OG+b7odjZN5PxqnGC2owwfs9gcttnPD2SQ3W1IFMfpc6UGzq 9wPQN9+bgZ5i90IraapbZIa8J2hUgJjVr8tB4POVV3naZ9JAgmTT4HIXsOjoPr6Po1KG 9aJTzVvou0fC6wcAAPohmSslC5OJ96C+MKnxqWkhUPF9IKyu27LUVwvxFy1B5coTMx7Z WTqQ== Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.118.9 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:42:38 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:42:38 -0500 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Auto thermometers and clocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Time to browse the venerable J.C. Whitney catalog... Doug On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 6:05 PM, wrote: > I am looking for an add-on clock and external thermometer for my truck. > Anyone know of one. > > Ideally, it would be hard wired to the truck (read ) and it > would be back lit. (one that came on with the truck would be perfect.) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 21:02:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAAD40453 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:02:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8B9403F2 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:02:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1FqB1l0021smiN4ADFwGDH; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 03:56:16 +0000 Received: from Mike ([98.232.69.122]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1FwE1l00e2eHDqS8gFwFnn; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 03:56:15 +0000 From: "Mike" To: "Tim" References: <104229e3.494c50.13ce5eece8d.Webtop.47@charter.net> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:57:10 -0800 s=q20121106; t=1361073376; bh=5oqN721xdLobygFsWZ9yLPovBdI4pin+U6eVdTVaLhw=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Qfv8aNU8EkTPenhgKOLW5qIrDtGwqMoAr2RTtb6sHpOL1GPdY3HHo7dgYPQntgbzH E8TATtWU5GZaaRHwVpL/CtuFSfv8/QQbo5ivdUicvltZh5pcgZQ39tM+S0RyN6sXaJ itPbW3GmwbyvgoAFgixDi1hv47b1JRNnGAR08FzgXc5qzlESStLw1bmCtLcNpE3jwf phIYj36w18LFlOMvTIjR73IqLa84WLG7J93K+gM59EfpPGwLT3qSSXBnhGJDnR0oyz 0ffVAIax9yCedJ6bvs5TOzR9A49xHwerOzjYTyIgUmtLwpTqogzYAFuO8hXIJigkOO vTIdd0i+xGDGg== Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: Auto thermometers and clocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My experience with onboard compasses (compassi?) is not so great. Last one I had was accurate to about plus or minus 1800. I'm sure there are better ones out there, but it is difficult to install in a car and expect much accuracy. Mike =================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "Shop Talk" Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: Auto thermometers and clocks >I can't add anything else either but I'd be interested in most of the below >with a compass added....... > tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 21:28:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61E140449 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:28:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96F9403F2 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:28:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1GM71l00116AWCUA5GNPGL; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 04:22:23 +0000 Received: from Mike ([98.232.69.122]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1GNM1l00b2eHDqS8SGNN0T; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 04:22:22 +0000 From: "Mike" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:23:24 -0800 s=q20121106; t=1361074943; bh=ChLRnxHbb8xaIW91/KMT2g/wgM5vJ2RYV5drhG/+8RU=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Txvk04n0uDuDEZwjOOVOVJpdoOeFh2M9Wp/RTeNlwVQAmzaPSQwxD51gZCRG+IJ1z l5CPuSV+M+eRXyBQo3WQjub32b5CBnemhxJ6LVEy9sFtIV6dcZurSnCwSBtillivL8 /EPo2aaHyKYLoqWkvJ3kYhsKP+cUi9R/Cwf7/4T87c2mcsGKon/KjIldF13fFibheM Ts4fTU/9R+NrRsTz6HSRo81Bsfaz9gGWSzzeYQNK1zh603xs9np6+fm2BoeWeY8rBs 01TykEZK0OgRBwogXVg3YlQ805s6o1Pw4xtGNqiLSK3B5ZX0Z6kRUYyGCwGA7fbyXk LuHprMtzl+x1A== Subject: [Shop-talk] Fw: Fw: Auto thermometers and clocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Lets try 180 degrees. ================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: "Tim" Cc: "Shop Talk" Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: Auto thermometers and clocks > My experience with onboard compasses (compassi?) is not so great. Last > one I had was accurate to about plus or minus 1800. I'm sure there are > better ones out there, but it is difficult to install in a car and expect > much accuracy. > > Mike > =================== > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim" > To: "Shop Talk" > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 6:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: Auto thermometers and clocks > > >>I can't add anything else either but I'd be interested in most of the >>below with a compass added....... >> tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 09:33:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD00E4041A for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 09:33:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C35403FC for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 09:30:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2013 16:24:15 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.242] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2013 16:24:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2013 16:24:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1361118255; bh=6Tu/M9AZPFiOXkBjYqS51WBYgKyZdtfF9HAjpYgcXKQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=zKdPSrPWzUFsfjboKPOkQViRmJp4bM/0zHRIdcHgjHDu8fL8vUbjBNgwmBweW2qoQGo947QmVENBXznJhjnnNZpv1G2CtATxUmb5eM07GarrYGh1PfBkOVWPnfgfjPAc63WufSq2EOvrW5Gqb6/mXx70wyX+XVBKJYa2hm+oBFY= iZjULHPB4IaDTbtaOjHUgJZ8XC6nXQbPKS9NFim1cKTTzfpbNzdpKDrZEuZ4 Jea7H4Y3TT7DgSz0MpuXIH67h2PrGOFiu8ioXuUsyG_BrWo8HpuepDFaed0W i8mzdTINhCwAoqJtPMRQ3EHTmtIQtlVGaiP5dJSwbE39.UhPhUg78AdAkHUt 1jZzj9MxRzmb0.zl0WWJAeiz_HUKdyKs5Rhoe_X1_77bOlQMglKUhU6Uh._a r9bfT2tnli2va9ThEd4AfekvWc_OWLQT.6Z.ggyFbX6gqCpeLUHpuJIF0l8H YNrdgI41n6qDhg7gPKn2sxN.1BOxBTGfTXU3QTM5QwI2wcKZ9NFietQyDOB7 vLLx3XhMRh8mW.9PQhKL5ov47PTybwprCCkL8KuzmlvPBP2kS6d6ykIo_Cjx hTxh6yTfsHZLMspnHkhB2KA3bfvKm0MQs.nC5cPV1 Received: from EntCentPC (jibjib@71.212.12.78 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2013 08:24:15 -0800 PST From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Shop Talk'" References: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 08:24:31 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4Mn8qtuJXpeGU+Tj6SpHI+tj/P0gAiooLg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: Auto thermometers and clocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Many of the newer GPS' have altitude as a screen display. OTOH mine has read as low as -19 near the ocean. It's close, but it's calculated off several satellites, so YMMV. For me, it's good enough and sometimes amusing. Clock and outside temp: There are numerous $5-$20 solutions. Find one for a home. Yes, they take batteries, but you will change then once a year. If you want hardwired, stepping 12v down to 3v won't be too hard. -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 3:41 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Fw: Auto thermometers and clocks Eric, I can't offer much on your search, but maybe someone out there knows where I can find an altimeter that is made for putting in/on the dash. I haven't seen anything anywhere. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 3:05 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Auto thermometers and clocks >I am looking for an add-on clock and external thermometer for my truck. > Anyone know of one. > > Ideally, it would be hard wired to the truck (read ) and it > would be back lit. (one that came on with the truck would be perfect.) > > Thanks. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 18 09:33:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E736940540 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:33:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com (mail-pb0-f43.google.com [209.85.160.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31FF40323 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id md12so1742015pbc.30 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:26:38 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=yc7ChwKmXpCdV289G0ycVP/asndEw7GyspO0NOs+gk8=; b=YdpPfpSQMzbj+1JE4YF7UfqDtvVoLNayFV/f6HRaaXIqdyO63Ph3nutM4WEPLvxDdq 1c2ptyw01P8w27Aom/Gf8FErPVWfbm+vDwv+Ks7RJh9+6P3woSVimSB4qTUvNAwYkhv7 2OAKF13KIC84SmbeL+BjhSKA3qxi9YYpnfiaPwJavYiYNnV0Mu/k+IGOASNxWKxeewut BG/wkK1RmnzBTXE0VT+tYc+e/O3WXX73vnG2kfuE01hrXx8oyYqe1BI3ajC9Dr/XVDUg h9Un9mAOTsPZ7iZ5tZDmsCIJV4Bv6iE07FMcdKofqgekTPwnGxh19R8YR3UXJF0Px3gp qzQg== wp3mr31450794pbc.143.1361204798681; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:26:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.150.230 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:26:18 -0800 (PST) References: From: Peter Murray Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 11:26:18 -0500 To: Shop-Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Auto thermometers and clocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Your smartphone should be able to tell you much of this info. My Android phone has an app called "Altitude" that provides this information using the built-in GPS in my Motorola Atrix 4G. It doesn't report accuracy values, but once it settles on a reading, it doesn't move much. I am sure there are better apps. My Blackberry Curve of 2007 would report accuracy values of 3m - so I don't think the GPS in a modern smartphone is all that inaccurate. I know that the item below satisfies none of the requirements that Inch stated, but this is another item to put in any (modern-ish) vehicle... http://www.ultra-gauge.com/ultragauge/index.htm On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 6:05 PM, wrote: > I am looking for an add-on clock and external thermometer for my truck. > Anyone know of one. > > Ideally, it would be hard wired to the truck (read ) and it > would be back lit. (one that came on with the truck would be perfect.) > > Thanks. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 18 09:53:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287C840563 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:53:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C3640536 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:53:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2013 16:47:22 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.240] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2013 16:47:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2013 16:47:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1361206041; bh=d0o63Y6tLvjwCov8AXHHTP7hXw4tAnPYF+9cCiIzboA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=q+k2hdCITIP813ph6TyxwazaeARKf1/zbsjvKDd0cKjLTU3adYONHG7gR7EbVnM9OP5qMiXqERGnneVVaVIzFc/OS2YSiPZmI6YiZgBkvnQtpCkKRX3Btd1jJhk6zienDUc8khgWSqtA0bOmy4mrwqA+UT+gir60eIt3duByTI0= yTjvOjiBv2WOdrJCNb2Bk7z0z7gCHyfB4QiKzE0H_uqYYdWKvXSLy3qJ_CHx XvwKhBatWD6GzwgfS6oZFwjMs3P1WUR4p6.Vz2A4m5sOqieNUmCmwgQvT6Cq NKrPm_et9IKFeaBw0Hg9vGX6zDAsrizaaM9cGg7BdAk085DPX7vQaH5_9zF_ u7wUh6IVH2Sf5DW0OF5f2kwCDF4km.w7GLtN0VVrPJpXZA94oBN7R1OfQ0p8 pGKob8UmX8mJ4gx._OZItXN2Wi226lwuT20QdLKoEmUG7659Xfo4859Dfrag AxO9io.0PM1yzkzJ11eqp1c67tk8T8V71i0Ebgr40qpxj63czXBUl_n2dAxG Q5dYlAJuknZilYKKjS4br8a6rWdtOMEpMF923VKYWO9M- Received: from usere576d72cf3 (jniolon@70.193.166.107 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2013 08:47:21 -0800 PST From: "John Niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 10:47:38 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] chain hoist certification Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I work for a pipefitting/construction company and in our work we use a lot of manual chainfalls. I'm looking for the equipment that will allow us to test and certify these chain falls before we send them out on a job... I know we'll probably have to send someone to training on the test required, but I'm looking for some information on the equipment (scales, frames, etc ) used to make the tests.. any of you guys deal with this stuff ??? thanks John _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 18 19:47:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE34F4056B for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:47:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 020A340567 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:47:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2013 02:41:11 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.249] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2013 02:41:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1062.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2013 02:41:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 13111 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2013 02:41:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1361241671; bh=M00XvVLTL2HoUHjD+lVwit/BusDZ8mgd+fSjCfmvsSg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cRQBp1rikdAnnG/ndxanjZsh6UCAZnkAdMGS4y91AUaRfdYNdn1Gr9n+XgQnbwVGl53xG7uVNS3vvGhIpHY8exNAedJ112W7fP8j99wLee5y1sdr2EACcwmvWpeDODvRxXljkvmFV7PDMryYQamPx+A+weVGjHHn8urxtrEaor4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MRQ5hBAxyFy9Gvoq59yTCjbBI7oMYfhE1WqhHgwQL/qy8jXTnZcuj52YGdNvwERSBjueh3tFKT7wVB+5Ba5JsZHe8EOuYgZ2sbhRX8Ni+8lXQWhKRbjmW5NCmIxLzcOBs17+gn5zM6T6M/QRUEDZMLqbAololK2cVYvHwaGHfwM=; 0vvNaHGR3fRCOBrB7ryUR8N2b0fvjyt7IUfjxIyb4SFTvNMO9euaJfGclcPY Tu7lQRTv.c_vRalBZr5esaDkkNyDme3l508kGZ.YV7ylfW0Zp0g8.jqRyzWL 9xw1MaokmkpFKHzkQj6WYem2El5kmjo78BpjrjgxbAbS1A93nbrPU0y0mm0a s2shVmROlH7WLaMSFAz2F0a.K5gGrQgt7XfyX9tnwKFl11csqPqRpCYFmzxE IQd2LEt5UZOttHe7itU5Gf82UYP5t013S2fbC5QcwIlfFv1DRPEYRYVMWjwE j1TGz7w4gM8ebiZRsVTpZLx.L7Lg0xuBJ5AOfjZgzyYN_xYytRLUcUWm7mDV Fa2eZQ8mOcyVo96wGLt3K9HXwB5RyjhzD1wWxe4QMq7XO0X6.4LdOm5Wp7fE KWhwWzOjyETWf7hdkyNrO3tnZWJ2vbCpgxjGBZF8TXGmzP_VXIp9t Received: from [76.30.49.174] by web161704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:41:10 PST SW4gdGhlIHNob3cgJ1doZWVsZXIgRGVhbGVycycgdGhleSBoYXZlIHVzZWQgYSBkZW50IHB1bGxlciB0aGF0IEkgd291bGQgbGlrZSB0byBmaW5kIGFuZCBidXkuIEl0IHdvcmtzIGJ5IHNwb3Qgd2VsZGluZyBhIG51bWJlciBvZiBmaW5nZXJzIHRoYXQgYXJlIHRoZW4gYXR0YWNoZWQgdG8gdGhlICJwdWxsZXIiIGJ5IGhvb2tzLiBUaGUgcHVsbGVyIGhhcyBoYW5kbGUgdGhhdCBwdWxscyBvbiB0aGUgaG9va3MgYnkgdHVybmluZyBhIGhhbmRsZS4gSXQgbG9va3MgdmVyeSBzaW1wbGUgdG8gb3BlcmF0ZS4gSGEBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:41:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jorge Garcia To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Dent puller Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net In the show 'Wheeler Dealers' they have used a dent puller that I would like to find and buy. It works by spot welding a number of fingers that are then attached to the "puller" by hooks. The puller has handle that pulls on the hooks by turning a handle. It looks very simple to operate. Has anyone seen the show and the use of this dent puller? If you know where I can purchase this tool please let me knw. I've already checcked Harbor Freight and Amazon's websites and they did not have it. Thanks _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 18 19:59:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14064068E for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:59:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f169.google.com (mail-ve0-f169.google.com [209.85.128.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170A740567 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:59:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 15so5551633vea.0 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:53:01 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=66b0BIoOA5FDZ0KEnb+kaO2X8Sz71KgMIdyLucaycPU=; b=n+vPC34FJsHToxLP8eOPP4mkTPDVQ2NLHhnM+IKRqdJaLC5M18GUXBqczPZqO/FPT2 Ja0jxTIOOkzIYN7yQXLSg2hTDoTdNv4ae88nDNSelV0NxDYh12nmtFOVpmGUGho2/2yW xRD0dHkWDwf5gR062JDynRzV7ybudDww44q87i14OXygUNAbP/vq0YeXa6aozwU6Sdpj 07JhsfuZBFG1O3M4M+2o41zLVQbZvepFBitUtna4z7m9tjnU3drTeExs/jfhjFGQ/ol2 dMIhLOG+JtGVHLmwnmd5wAjPASV5reM/Iy1KG+4cuzXX9eQegNkt4xbU57jCUht7WenS DXuA== u10mr18563122vcw.28.1361242381424; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:53:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.11.231 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:53:01 -0800 (PST) References: <1361241670.12529.YahooMailNeo@web161704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 21:53:01 -0500 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Fwd: Dent puller Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Go to Eastwood.com and search for "Uni-Wire". Doug ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jorge Garcia Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:41 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Dent puller To: shop-talk In the show 'Wheeler Dealers' they have used a dent puller that I would like to find and buy. It works by spot welding a number of fingers that are then attached to the "puller" by hooks. The puller has handle that pulls on the hooks by turning a handle. It looks very simple to operate. Has anyone seen the show and the use of this dent puller? If you know where I can purchase this tool please let me knw. I've already checcked Harbor Freight and Amazon's websites and they did not have it. Thanks ____________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 18 20:02:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F86E40645 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:02:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0929540645 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:02:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id o1so4274690wic.11 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:55:57 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=E3gL0FWReHQOnO7PP4ZHnUteAt2KtNvq6z2Oin4A7Gs=; b=eeY9phsD+aq6CsYxRAhRx0FTopoVAe5U8/9zW55rwNCBRAX1cd62R8nGvwQKfLBicu 2bq7CVJC+ItwEnoZa9UHaRWJdtOT4VO4VQkVm1C9kPLCa36xlfhOFX8Zz39Hx8RQWyqt huO7TAXzETHh95j0n8bfCdFCAmaPHs0zw7xOkFW+Z5OJw+hWGMp6ertyXmUHMYWChRfb 1q8XH02c+uRK4tfC99S3jpiyusNdtF0cuCDq1oHeL4oh/I3NzU9w9kyDwTO2C3R0wXMu CT/yCtpgSAZRvO115wdO780g7DP4rrP1BNWlltS6y8Mlh/BU2yGs7c0V3WaT0pURcM4u Fx2A== q6mr22549883wiz.15.1361242557276; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:55:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.235.32 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:55:57 -0800 (PST) References: <1361241670.12529.YahooMailNeo@web161704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:55:57 -0600 From: Ronnie Day To: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dent puller Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net It is very cool and remember researching it the first time Ed used it. Got the name (which I no longer remember) off of the unit and plugged it into Google. I seem to recall it was a UK/European company and it was way too rich for my pocket book. It's basically a fancy stud gun that tack welds the tabs with the slots along a crease in a body panel you want to pull. Then a rod is inserted in the slots and the crease pulled out. I remember stud guns starting to show up on the Spike/Powerblock shows two or three years ago. These tack a short piece of rod where you want to pull out a panel. You then use the slide hammer that comes with the kit to pull the crease out I think prices start at around $300 or so from Eastwood. Not as elegant as the setup on Wheelers Dealers, but much more affordable for hobbyists. FWIW, Ron On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Jorge Garcia wrote: > In the show 'Wheeler Dealers' they have used a dent puller that I would > like to find and buy. It works by spot welding a number of fingers that are > then attached to the "puller" by hooks. The puller has handle that pulls on > the hooks by turning a handle. It looks very simple to operate. Has anyone > seen the show and the use of this dent puller? If you know where I can > purchase this tool please let me knw. I've already checcked Harbor Freight > and Amazon's websites and they did not have it. > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 18 20:19:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A9D40687 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:19:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0A640567 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:18:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id fw7so3988894vcb.6 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:12:30 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=AYeOA/Iff3f27nAxBmbM8C13W4WPlOWIvwNw6ZplB0g=; b=RvKY5VTihmsiWR0gxMNYPxslJL7X3Qawq3LL0h0IEQsEreywgQ/vmsy6hkvmHANFDa gOuYA2eajUggCAAc91Q3e4NovTWjhJUk+/BpGKhGFPBPGvLkgzV2f2rlN8hMm/xGzbef Z8fgfUPutcoURIpv5SoMoKWAEGufLrt16w2lAWSxw3kRK8LD8s3trxnnMH77uhW+nLrI 39Q0Eg4xMyfvQkbiuSIW1Bsje0nFjWQ2TKWFLDEby2FbVrslm0h/IY+3kpNbYfU8xOxy 60WUWeRgMoeuLqn1QtWknd65ZtC2bb3i0LpZwUIqF05tlv6SODmlt2qyM3yRXd5qigmf QMZA== ht16mr18144390vcb.30.1361243549877; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:12:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.11.231 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:12:29 -0800 (PST) References: <1361241670.12529.YahooMailNeo@web161704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 22:12:29 -0500 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dent puller Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I got a generic stud-welder setup from Harbor Freight a few years ago, for $99 or so, and it has been very useful. It seems like 80% of the dents I have needed to fix were in places where there was no access to the back of the panel, or the back was covered with undercoating, or I would have had to remove an interior panel for access. In situations like this, the stud welder is very quick and easy to use. Doug On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Ronnie Day wrote: > > I remember stud guns starting to show up on the Spike/Powerblock shows two > or three years ago. These tack a short piece of rod where you want to pull > out a panel. You then use the slide hammer that comes with the kit to pull > the crease out I think prices start at around $300 or so from Eastwood. Not > as elegant as the setup on Wheelers Dealers, but much more affordable for > hobbyists. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 22 16:35:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B02403F5 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:35:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B137F403E0 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:35:23 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:16:45 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 02/22/2013 18:15:44, Serialize complete at 02/22/2013 18:15:44 Subject: [Shop-talk] Off-topic-post alert. Anyone know of a good credit check database for landlords? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hello all, Since it's cold out and traffic here is real low, I'd thought I'd bother the list with a non-shop related question... It's been years since I had to replace a tenant, so I don't know which credit background check databases are good for landlords doing checks. I have name, DOB, and SSN. Free is great, but I don't mind paying a modest fee. Thanks in advance. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 22 22:03:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B597440422 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:03:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f42.google.com (mail-ee0-f42.google.com [74.125.83.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C821403FA for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:03:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ee0-f42.google.com with SMTP id b47so610830eek.15 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:56:22 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aw0kKGnd+KmLl5EZjA21IdnYY2SGfeuB+YLpgtyxPPg=; b=dfVm25hkD4FzOPlPIrifAmMEjZb0K4TAdG4NK/AISvUV9Ce0vxXzK/TLqjZweN3ab1 LOm3xlrLWG/hxbMp1X07dA9iRSSkuqncJtWYk9eAPS9nCNMaVfulZNZNVe2dKFP4CPtN lfAZ3ICCGQKEsAdlQe1wufGiitWbTb3nS8wghNEZKznK9h9GXqoTmNwmQwLMB0ylqPK4 1fuEh+A4BwSSe3774sKBrNroeakLCKqfmvTUWnb8cG1zmy6kM/DzEg23O/GctzarlVed gvTmFsTAgp8qveiyXfOgmG0aolmxqgydqR8RbIFT7+7ycSC0BkGYTLghNptAs5xdpOox aubw== m1mr13768409eep.16.1361595382008; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:56:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.155.195 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:56:21 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:56:21 -0600 From: David Scheidt To: eric@megageek.com, shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Off-topic-post alert. Anyone know of a good credit check database for landlords? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 5:16 PM, wrote: > Hello all, > > Since it's cold out and traffic here is real low, I'd thought I'd bother > the list with a non-shop related question... > > It's been years since I had to replace a tenant, so I don't know which > credit background check databases are good for landlords doing checks. > > I have name, DOB, and SSN. > > Free is great, but I don't mind paying a modest fee. > > You'll need the current address, and possibly previous addresses. You also need permission to run a credit check; your state may require you to get it writing, and it's a good idea to, even if they don't. My co-op association (via the management company) has used several different companies, and they all suck. That's not helpful, but It's what we've found. Some of it is data related, some states and counties don't report data electronically, or do it rather sporadically. So criminal (mostly misdemeanor) and small scale civil (like, oh, evictions) might no't show up or show up horribly wrong. Some of the reporting services are tied to one of the credit bureaus, and so won't use the other two's data. If they're wrong, you may make a bad decision. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 13:37:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF834051D for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:37:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s4.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s4.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE91403EB for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:37:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL002-W54 ([65.55.34.71]) by col0-omc2-s4.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:30:10 -0800 From: Jim Stone To: shop talk Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:30:10 -0600 FILETIME=[12A45AA0:01CE1460] Subject: [Shop-talk] Inexpensive framing nailer/compressor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I would like to buy a framing nailer. I dont want to spend a lot as this is not something I will use often, but after recently borrowing one I realize how nice they are when needed. I would like to keep the total costs under $200 and I am weighing my options. Does anyone here have any recommendations? I could certainly buy new at HF and keep within my budget, but would want to know that someone else had bought one and found it ok. Thanks. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 14:07:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1038040531 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:07:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A6B4051F for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:07:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id ez12so5429750wid.5 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:00:13 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zsBTe461PzCTV7FHO7zfbTbnDq66X/Svabmt3sdF5j0=; b=JAXZ+g7NJ2iufbLtl0TrkYITSU+LwIvWA1lmXc5sQxpBxpEZhDzPpew8n0HQQkFpcq XAEiuRUmagRsQ1HFfArP30CwexAo/0KPeMG4DoWDjuJNf7GBUNKyp3ldoJbh86czIcbJ D7OmZeamQ+6OtJ+X5AwA0WdXc4jQowS9RVdDOnImlglTdcsB159jF5ZhhpRcwNx7A9U1 /CGjUgHT1AJTCBvL3VzG8oRcrjjecmU7MedvDUhXy6JJydKfvl0ud7bOlrSksfdJNRNn QmaXyl5/4LzsJ57gQKPxEt/TRA1MHL1e5PzI1T+swLawGqlT/6My7Zufhin0AptkVWb2 fQAg== as10mr8609351wjc.0.1361912413774; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:00:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.235.32 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:00:13 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:00:13 -0600 From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Inexpensive framing nailer/compressor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Keep an eye on the Home Depot and Lowes ads. We got a couple of refurbed Ridgids from HD several years ago for around $170 each, IIRC. It was going to cost us more than the total to rent one locally over two weekends and the week in between. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > I would like to buy a framing nailer. I don t want to spend a lot as this > is > not something I will use often, but after recently borrowing one I realize > how > nice they are when needed. I would like to keep the total costs under $200 > and I am weighing my options. Does anyone here have any recommendations? > I > could certainly buy new at HF and keep within my budget, but would want to > know that someone else had bought one and found it ok. > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 20:40:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D7F40534 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:40:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC7F40522 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:39:16 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=dQdkXc7WBBvZbHaMmrdUDmYn9NxO/A3fUBcpiklDP5OzfTa8v1mHpzlUHtKQsC8V; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.129.27.165] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UAXkZ-0008Ky-8A; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:32:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:31:21 -0800 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 To: Jim Stone References: Cc: shop talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Inexpensive framing nailer/compressor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a couple year old HF framing nailer and it works ok. I also have a box of HF nails of the maximum gauge that the gun can use. The nails are kind of thin compared to a 10 penny nail and I've had a few curve due to the grain of the 2x lumber. Last summer I had a contractor help me rebuild a 45' long cantilevered balcony and used his Rigid nailer. For an engineered sheer panel, we needed to shoot 10 penny nails ($75 a box) that my HF nailer couldn't hold. His gun shot every nail perfect with consistent results. Mine didn't. While the HF nailer didn't have any jams, head depth was very inconsistent. There was also a noticeable difference in ergonomics. The Rigid nailer felt more comfortable, better balanced, and easier to use. His gun also shot my cheap nails for blocking, though he did comment on their flexibility. When I used my nailer for a balance beam for my gymnast daughter, the nailer worked fine. I had a lamination of trimmed framing lumber that I glued and clamped then filled with nails so I could move on to the next piece, so all nails were straight in and not at an edge. Only one bent enough to come out the side, so that went well. This is definetly a case of you get what you pay for. I spent about $70 when I got mine after the sale price and a 20% off coupon. I think he said his was $250. Doing it over, I'd probable look a little higher if I was going to use it a bunch. I also caution you to watch out for nailers that use clipped head nails instead of full head nails. Some building departments don't allow clipped head nails. Hopefully I have the wording right here. Instead of a full round head, part of the head is missing, I would assume to allow the nails to be closer together. Brian On 2/26/2013 12:30 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > I would like to buy a framing nailer. I dont want to spend a lot as this is > not something I will use often, but after recently borrowing one I realize how > nice they are when needed. I would like to keep the total costs under $200 > and I am weighing my options. Does anyone here have any recommendations? I > could certainly buy new at HF and keep within my budget, but would want to > know that someone else had bought one and found it ok. > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 20:47:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC444054A for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:47:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm18.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm18.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.219]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C575540526 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:46:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.193] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2013 03:39:47 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.49] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2013 03:39:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2013 03:39:47 -0000 .ubWyPuVzY1.T2j.iTSHMPLpNB0KEThVV3uuLrUVpBavm.MiTaVbiHavSrm9 EtxUeXdOddB8wKo4xsOMCLG3usvVGL8ZmoXCByZ.hJ6SF5HODIGNRz_DRnhi 4m0Pq_1k88tADjXQiIPTXRlIjxWX_gSxX45kQW5GHwWsYYPz7Dg4daoki1MY oEqyxr8I2IEZ4qZOLYopkD6rBo9JWT9D.c0R3Q0TeRTjOXIxWFj6Nz6TzRnZ WMbvQ1ecO90WuLNUZLAvMi2W_60Kt6_xS.Mqzbu7.T9DSPCmGywI_j0oX2_i BVX98nxJOnILuuBlzwDItncBLTsuIfIx68bDOOfNDMFFkSxYXR2ymf40Flfj r7oRVbxTqrnizy3f2s4dmOago.5AmE3Chcwb_SbS0mfQuEbWdN7FBFBG4u3h 7VPyAiti4lPOgsJRKi7u2_73yQm0xAw-- Received: from KarlIntel (KVacek@24.14.131.73 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2013 19:39:47 -0800 PST From: "Karl Vacek" To: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:39:50 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac4UnBffJqDy/9kgR3mcHfw0pERjhw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Shop-talk] Which diodes for a battery charger? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My old Schumacher battery charger has been dead for years. Used to be able to go to the factory for new diodes, fixed inexpensively while I waited, but they moved away. I'd like to repair it with better diodes this time. I'll also put a muffin fan into the case to help cool the diodes and the huge transformer. The present diodes are little buttons that appear to just be clamped between a brass contact plate and an indentation in the aluminum flat plate heat sink. They're Motorola diodes, MR2502 on one transformer lead (a pair) and W9312 on the other transformer lead. The charger is 10 amps continuous, 30 amps fast boost (duty cycle 10 minutes on, 12 minutes off), and 50 amps motor starting (duty cycle 2 minutes on, 5 minutes off) I look at diodes and see all sorts of ratings, and don't know what's better and what's overkill. May I please have a recommendation as to what rating, etc.? A part number to order from XXX company would be even better. Also - are there positive and negative orientations to the diodes in there bow? They're not marked, and if their polarity is related to label orientation, then one pair is mounted with both oriented the same direction, while the pair on the other lead are oriented opposite each other. Thanks! Karl _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 20:58:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C63C40542 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:58:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BC94051E for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:52:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.193] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2013 03:44:58 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.55] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2013 03:44:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2013 03:44:50 -0000 pQz6uBsooGHGjWFIj2dUVStPOXg4QJFZjAHh9TI6FztE0oTgEL.GZcotya_1 i46AZEFItcbL4W8poZeyl9aho70yg5VrrqbCpk6l6wineEmc42YDlLx5ANGt qw3lXdyTjz7RK_j_6fqaClmoRsb8unmUrZGmHg74yDlF4cY14Ixy._QxgTOt ZxPJ7GM5zCONVCigixThN9eXvDQvRe7mYWSIvSYVuI71_rlhHeNB_P7rTsVp f.53cG8Nyvif4.uIimeQqAQgzDpNNwD6SzbDE7yIBnkPjHiCl.vMRlgj6n3f RT8tVl0O6.j54EvoiIgsG.EXKKVrLXci7XPsEG.IlLLQMX3q54ssY0lqoUw1 2nbVs7ECxNE7l8hXLSGvq.ApXqj3p.BuQeRTly_u4PTRJ9Dzq4JUhDm24rVd th08bAKvvkR.MZWnxxDMTVIGKhoQKf3o- Received: from KarlIntel (KVacek@24.14.131.73 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2013 19:44:50 -0800 PST From: "Karl Vacek" To: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:44:53 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac4UnMsggAVpCLYwSVe3saEuodCSsA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Shop-talk] A different battery charger question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Working on my old Schumacher battery charger got me to thinking about another battery charger I have. It came from a Clarke floor machine, and it's a heavy amperage 24-volt charger. No fan, just a transformer and a rectifier circuit. But it's 24 volts, and there are NOT alternate taps on the transformer. To drop it to 12 volts, could I use a 2:1 step-down transformer in the power line in, and thus run the transformer on 55 volts input? Or is there any other simple way to convert this heavy charger to 12 volts? Thanks! Karl _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 21:01:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F674053B for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:01:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733AD4051E for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:01:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.164]) by out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 27 Feb 2013 03:54:42 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-140-11.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.140.11]) by relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 658EE5F97; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 03:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:54:52 -0800 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 To: Jim Stone References: Cc: shop talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Inexpensive framing nailer/compressor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I got a little twin tank compressor from Harbor Freight which seems to work ok. For a nailer, I got a used Hitachi NR83A2 from a pawn shop; they had a bunch of them and I got the best looking one. That's the only nailer I ever seem to see the guys on framing crews use and they seem totally bulletproof. It's also easy to get parts and nails for them. On 2/26/2013 12:30 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > I would like to buy a framing nailer. I dont want to spend a lot as this is > not something I will use often, but after recently borrowing one I realize how > nice they are when needed. I would like to keep the total costs under $200 > and I am weighing my options. Does anyone here have any recommendations? I > could certainly buy new at HF and keep within my budget, but would want to > know that someone else had bought one and found it ok. > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 21:49:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49424052C for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:49:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854C1403DD for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:48:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5EGJ1l0090cQ2SLA1Ghqfu; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:41:50 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5Ghq1l00H2xZMJ48WGhqj9; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:41:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:41:50 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Karl Vacek s=q20121106; t=1361940110; bh=arKGKbDFSs5FMh84CtMIoxtyw4DrM9fDbWttZoV7Pug=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=F4W25M2RGO0D9LHMH6/fWofoeyDiXgucWwUmk3urTMVuH6DjreNHcN+SXHnXPygmN ZqekKpJ/1zWGKnHsG+N8nvjGp/kmrTv4j4NiihTC8j3B9wMZe18UYFaxlHklXDDicu xIZUI3nQI8qi3qzL7HSdrmeCPvau+BvJe/iklSsQkjrNR0NEIKR7tBx6C/6m5f04/Q iijDFcMyyoOrMu394hmtww9Rq5nlTCWikr9QjCDEd/aM5opK0Kz4H9KtI8fF7Rhyby 7bcYQqTIEoLT4yKjqZHhRgCZy9MXJgchI3PFcMr43IjS/49ZijXhx/fh4fCstB05WP n0rSBJcP3JDEQ== Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] A different battery charger question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I believe that would work. I expect that the current you require would be a lot less than this monster can handle. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karl Vacek" > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:44:53 PM > Subject: [Shop-talk] A different battery charger question > Working on my old Schumacher battery charger got me to thinking about > another battery charger I have. It came from a Clarke floor machine, > and > it's a heavy amperage 24-volt charger. No fan, just a transformer and > a > rectifier circuit. But it's 24 volts, and there are NOT alternate taps > on > the transformer. > > > > To drop it to 12 volts, could I use a 2:1 step-down transformer in the > power > line in, and thus run the transformer on 55 volts input? Or is there > any > other simple way to convert this heavy charger to 12 volts? > > > > Thanks! > Karl > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pethier@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 22:01:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33ECB4053C for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:01:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f43.google.com (mail-ee0-f43.google.com [74.125.83.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46839403DD for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:01:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ee0-f43.google.com with SMTP id c50so93299eek.30 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:54:05 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=O4nPFVYDnzd44YmXET1xNrVytJoUPgIpLHy5NCrs3RQ=; b=bSJHxtwosqd9wg9T/fG8pIe32GqaIoWb1+hNzlgdJ4Ih9k2PT0NgDTj4kklhBTP9Mx 6XyX4aUXHArwial5HhUPEg91/b73ES/2uU0eV6UV2ZjvPEuMgvlkzVRnDt7HxLpEyyM4 o3eUGgljoqJn8qMunwXijrXFXVW2TykIJFR+vL374c/QbizUxpd8WHz0/Ydu7b4UD6E+ nxooO8C/AsE6+r16/np09qyORC69UlUW7GqE7hEv7JEQXATkTQZJd5haEuWWxRPNCi41 hX/E55JCRjmcNf/Z83ZcpyQMfYY9j6qQHcYEC10/R0Qk1JDy54bL+rc/ulLeCqF+gOZ2 212A== b49mr2465508eew.9.1361940845591; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:54:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.155.195 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:54:05 -0800 (PST) References: <000c01ce149c$19504df0$4bf0e9d0$@Ameritech.net> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:54:05 -0600 From: David Scheidt To: Karl Vacek Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Which diodes for a battery charger? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Karl Vacek wrote: > > > Also - are there positive and negative orientations to the diodes in there > bow? They're not marked, and if their polarity is related to label > orientation, then one pair is mounted with both oriented the same direction, > while the pair on the other lead are oriented opposite each other. I'd have to spend some time with a catalog to figure out what you've got, but diodes definitely are polarity sensitive. That's pretty much the definition of a diode. An ideal diode passes current with zero resistance one direction, and with infinite resistance the other. It seems unlikely the factory would have repaired it wrong, but who knows. Tyically, there's a stripe or band or blob of paint at the cathode side (negative). sometimes it's an arrow. Some use the length of the pins to tell you, but I don't remember if there's a standard way to do that or not. I've run across circuits that have had totally unlabeled diodes too. Those you test..... -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 22:21:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D662D4053D for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:21:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5740A40444 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:21:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 57891l0061GXsucA1HEKXa; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 05:14:19 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5HEJ1l00U2xZMJ48UHEJVj; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 05:14:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 05:14:18 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Karl Vacek s=q20121106; t=1361942059; bh=kAxaWitRvmERPwDd04D/KRq+9OCFm3iP/c9frJIwc/U=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=eIFZ+b0P1TVYNlzxKa0FCPVk2qfpt2AXxVP5rcNvxMT8wam0Uqk3i4xU6k5SqXHem 3fG/ZrG7ZE5avDFtW3gu8iwFyBLoirhvkSN3QrV/pz8Ex3sIqFAylvTFFqDvcWR9kS 0GRNZHBa+ISfKKbGMuosKcMqonykMk6U1GsX4RxNyMdlI4ulu/xib9xX7Qc4UBCAcV jYvercqFmJ65kQw8QPlo4W9V1sURkcY8TlKxaGuHNdoVciFmzY7XnNrlTiwkm1mahr Z3IkP0ahsPZXw9CjEKX1iMT3FrSJbKVZWqzJ0XeO4v70T66x5wNaIudTCE49gLQqrQ ywNtZf/JQ4Vcw== Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Which diodes for a battery charger? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Any diode tough enough to be used in a battery charger will not be damaged by an ohm-meter, so you can figure out the polarity that way. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karl Vacek" > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:39:50 PM > Subject: [Shop-talk] Which diodes for a battery charger? > My old Schumacher battery charger has been dead for years. Used to be > able > to go to the factory for new diodes, fixed inexpensively while I > waited, but > they moved away. I'd like to repair it with better diodes this time. > I'll > also put a muffin fan into the case to help cool the diodes and the > huge > transformer. > > > > The present diodes are little buttons that appear to just be clamped > between > a brass contact plate and an indentation in the aluminum flat plate > heat > sink. They're Motorola diodes, MR2502 on one transformer lead (a pair) > and > W9312 on the other transformer lead. The charger is 10 amps > continuous, 30 > amps fast boost (duty cycle 10 minutes on, 12 minutes off), and 50 > amps > motor starting (duty cycle 2 minutes on, 5 minutes off) > > > > I look at diodes and see all sorts of ratings, and don't know what's > better > and what's overkill. May I please have a recommendation as to what > rating, > etc.? A part number to order from XXX company would be even better. > > > > Also - are there positive and negative orientations to the diodes in > there > bow? They're not marked, and if their polarity is related to label > orientation, then one pair is mounted with both oriented the same > direction, > while the pair on the other lead are oriented opposite each other. > > > > Thanks! > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pethier@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 22:41:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B459540543 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:41:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF40403DD for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:37:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121F3A0703 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:32:18 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:32:18 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15.1 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <000c01ce149c$19504df0$4bf0e9d0$@Ameritech.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Which diodes for a battery charger? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Also - are there positive and negative orientations to the diodes in > there bow? They're not marked, and if their polarity is related to label orientation, > then one pair is mounted with both oriented the same direction, while the pair on > the other lead are oriented opposite each other. Are you familiar with a circuit diagram for a diode bridge? Most likely that is what you are looking at here. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 23:32:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4727C40543 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:32:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FF540526 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:32:31 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=IlsGSFP3ctYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Ins28yioWXEA:10 a=76SVqnvMS89adC7P1tcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55017] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 77/3A-06772-6D6AD215; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:25:26 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Karl Vacek'" , Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:25:32 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4UnMsggAVpCLYwSVe3saEuodCSsAAFcOkA Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] A different battery charger question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > To drop it to 12 volts, could I use a 2:1 step-down > transformer in the power line in, and thus run the > transformer on 55 volts input? Should work, but you might wind up spending as much on the step-down as the proper transformer would cost. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 00:08:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3485C40545 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:08:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F62403DD for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:08:03 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=1r37JsgrqVcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=aElIn3Dle9wA:10 a=KTeTVnUzAAAA:20 a=rB9jqVKSAAAA:20 a=i-tnjrwuAAAA:20 a=Z7BtdQ4jAAAA:20 a=1p5b5lO0AAAA:20 a=CDnaMzCpAAAA:20 a=W7ABP7nHjYOnfVk2HHQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=M_DgPSA4yQUA:10 a=Dv7Tk-LpevsA:10 a=YCGdvyFGRCAA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B8/EE-04559-92FAD215; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:00:57 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Karl Vacek'" , Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:01:03 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4UnBffJqDy/9kgR3mcHfw0pERjhwAFzZ4Q Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Which diodes for a battery charger? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > The charger is 10 amps > continuous, 30 amps fast boost (duty cycle 10 minutes on, 12 > minutes off), and 50 amps motor starting (duty cycle 2 > minutes on, 5 minutes off) That's interesting. I have an old Schumacher charger with very similar, if not identical, ratings; but it only uses two diodes. I guess they decided that two more diodes were cheaper than the extra transformer winding. Anyway, when the original diodes gave out (and it was given to me), I repaired it with the diode plate from an old car alternator. Car alternators are 3 phase and usually only one diode fails, so you can still get a full-wave (single phase) rectifier out of a bad alternator. And they are some seriously heavy duty diodes, especially if you arrange for some air flow across the mounting plate. I just hung it on some standoffs, and let the air convect over it. That had to be over 20 years ago now, and it's still going strong. In fact, I used it to start the TR3 yesterday (looks like maybe my battery is going bad). But a MR2502 is apparently only rated at 25 amps, which seems way low for a 50 amp charger. http://goo.gl/5OBz8 Maybe that's why they didn't last very long? If you don't want to mess with alternator diodes, here's some that should be good enough. 60 amps continuous, over 1000 amps peak. $3 each. http://goo.gl/MJHBO Here's a datasheet http://goo.gl/3iYq0 Be sure to use insulators where appropriate, and a little heat sink compound wouldn't hurt either. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 06:33:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B618540531 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:33:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc4-s6.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc4-s6.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488E74040D for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:33:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL002-W42 ([65.55.34.201]) by col0-omc4-s6.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 27 Feb 2013 05:26:29 -0800 From: Jim Stone To: Dave C Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:26:29 -0600 References: , <512D838C.2020701@frontier.com> FILETIME=[0D480A00:01CE14EE] Cc: shop talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Inexpensive framing nailer/compressor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks guys. I have a bit of time, so I will keep my eyes open (and maybe stop by a pawn shop or two) and try to find something better than HF and keep that as a fallback if I run out of time. > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:54:52 -0800 > From: cavanadd@frontier.com > To: jandkstone99@msn.com > CC: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Inexpensive framing nailer/compressor > > I got a little twin tank compressor from Harbor Freight which seems to > work ok. For a nailer, I got a used Hitachi NR83A2 from a pawn shop; > they had a bunch of them and I got the best looking one. That's the only > nailer I ever seem to see the guys on framing crews use and they seem > totally bulletproof. It's also easy to get parts and nails for them. > > > On 2/26/2013 12:30 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > > I would like to buy a framing nailer. I dont want to spend a lot as this is > > not something I will use often, but after recently borrowing one I realize how > > nice they are when needed. I would like to keep the total costs under $200 > > and I am weighing my options. Does anyone here have any recommendations? I > > could certainly buy new at HF and keep within my budget, but would want to > > know that someone else had bought one and found it ok. > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 09:19:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB91F40548 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:19:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nexicom.net (barracuda1.nexicom.net [216.168.96.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A918C4040D for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:15:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from CAD (unverified [76.75.117.87]) by nexicom.net (SurgeMail 5.1c) with ESMTP id 381192212-1712458 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:08:10 -0500 From: "Doug Armstrong" To: "'Shop Talk List'" Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:08:09 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4Ulz8B+F+M0ABERwe3LtgTf5W56AAbIOMAAAAQMwAAABMNcAAACwkg Subject: [Shop-talk] Find Your First Car Brochure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm not sure if this has been around before. This is really cool. Find your first car. This has to be one of the neatest web sites whether you have gasoline in your veins or not. This is a website featuring the original factory brochures for almost every American car. Pick the manufacturer, the year and the model. These are American models I think. www.lov2xlr8.no/broch1.html Doug Armstrong No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6123 - Release Date: 02/22/13 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 12:43:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BF94055E for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:43:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706A940414 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:23:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 5XG31l00D4VKuxU01XG3l4; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:16:04 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:16:04 -0800 Subject: [Shop-talk] Corrosion protection for tools Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ibm rebuilding two vises (actually one is a vise, the other is a vice...itbs European). The Wilton vise has a handle that I canbt remove so Ibm looking for some bare metal corrosion protection. The other vice (6b Sambre et Meuse from Belgium) has both the main handle and the locking swivel nut handles that may also need similar bare metal protection. I remember a product called Boeshield T-9 (or similar), but was wondering if anyone has had any experience with itbs use on tools, etc. Thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 12:54:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8030640570 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:54:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B965840414 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:32:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5UUd1l0050x6nqcA6XRi2h; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:25:42 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5XRh1l00b2xZMJ48YXRhNo; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:25:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:25:41 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Doug Armstrong s=q20121106; t=1361993142; bh=R7AIURiv4FTlLw/2uRjuVlMxUpXO4a4/0JSuxbIfH6Y=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=BvSR6/xervhrDr1mU4Bl3s8GktCdfoZXj6czwdg24bTrAnnvhS+RwsseRKCAvEC+k l65jwkLhFSJXlddesb8FhgB6fVncV/HB0iCM51oqV64KSQ2jCl/Q4HL5EicIrDddlI vRHGMzoQEyTJOLDGltdphqd8+HN5yLXzcII5ArkWkOFqd0rb27jmC276BHDwcpXvsB DHo3jITL5oqQyMELWcS0k2EWaMCvkRB5YJc1NYQSeZu7X/t+DjlAjeTyMq26sHogcY AmUbNLH6Vf3JcQd0MS+IPIRb6839xqy2iwUN0q0luhMId5t56RpXG2Alk9JiuoRe2x cMM6WJNXZOb/g== Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Find Your First Car Brochure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Found 1932 Auburn, but did not find a picture of my dad's straight-8 Cabriolet. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Armstrong" > To: "Shop Talk List" > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:08:09 AM > Subject: [Shop-talk] Find Your First Car Brochure > I'm not sure if this has been around before. > > > > This is really cool. Find your first car. This has to be one of the > neatest > web sites whether you have gasoline in your veins or not. This is a > website > featuring the original factory brochures for almost every American > car. Pick > the manufacturer, the year and the model. These are American models I > think. > > > www.lov2xlr8.no/broch1.html > > > Doug Armstrong > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6123 - Release Date: > 02/22/13 > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pethier@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 13:38:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6ADA40566 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:38:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16286403DB for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:34:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130227202732.EXQZ10448.mta21.charter.net@imp09> for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:27:32 -0500 Received: from wt08 ([209.225.8.58]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id 5YTY1l00F1F7hH505YTYxx; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:27:32 -0500 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:17 a=SPAKA3mDuA0A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=YqZlpTTS8Tg418qlONwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=OjdNw4DFLBIn5PXCrgYA:9 a=1tjqaQL0AM0UPNcVwqj5HA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.12] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:27:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:27:32 -0500 (EST) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] Host file Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Someone on this list had provided a "dummy" host file that makes banner adds not display. (I am totally wording this wrong) Anyway, can that person please send it to me (agian)? Thanks!! tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 14:27:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C98540570 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:27:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f43.google.com (mail-pa0-f43.google.com [209.85.220.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7CB4054A for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:57:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id bh2so669703pad.30 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:50:03 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=pAjEQJ3f57RQiTOwhMETS8F/Mj9rqaehff1ODvWWI/g=; b=WAKsopeZ/Dt7a+3RBd61e4X9lo7xCT2tx8wXbc5fGCgOidEZR3ppLW2OFs464N11tx Wv5oqFlUkAz4yF+BUHssJn85voPMW1jWLDqIi4WeSDIvAo6sc+YlD5B+JEJeuFN9pNyi Is1bKqFEpi2nacwulhUy5xZwueIVSwl5Y2hIP6zZiMGPXgnxkOigW0lMziEISGHKohtT V/gjdvWuX5WDMDh04SL9u2CJTy6vlGjGKp8yOMgDqUNubNpr4r59c5KY6BD9ymTY6tZg Qfgmz1jfAJmz+qlEhTmsCg52d7ZTGgU04vubugbvc2O8j36BjTdo91pLLk+e8/4CND4l PUeQ== nk7mr5423696pbc.120.1361998203420; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.150.230 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:49:43 -0800 (PST) References: <5c432b0f.3cf1dd.13d1d56aced.Webtop.48@charter.net> From: Peter Murray Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:49:43 -0500 To: Tim Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Host file Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tim- I use a plugin for Firefox called Adblock Plus. It works very well and very transparently for me. Eric Petrevich (aka "Inch") had posted the below link to his hosts file on 18-October 2012. http://www.megageek.com/funstuff/fundoc.nsf/d601ad3d05e57888852566c00054521c/a60a238fb11251238525788c0044bcce?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,host I tried the link again just now, but couldn't connect to his site. The DNS is working, but the shared server on which it is hosted is giving an error. -Peter On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Tim wrote: > Someone on this list had provided a "dummy" host file that makes banner > adds not display. (I am totally wording this wrong) Anyway, can that > person please send it to me (agian)? > > Thanks!! > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 15:26:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF1440567 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:26:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0DA40554 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:57:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id wz12so630956pbc.31 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:50:13 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=YzjxnSw0wzSe3M+gjfJSkfLvUBqoJz4A1Vrl/sITClM=; b=Oq/VzWdna+97zxVaxu4/JbPWQpegfl0/Efsf4jy6nSk5LYr8g3E5EkWCVl9DCOQskT aGplh1GiRcy72nE2js6rHQewzcXZvxUtNNApTQ3CcVv/xUOkmlGmrKvIg8Re9UJoPu0J 4uk4LazHv6DvFvosKa7VJorASqmNoZJWV0W7R+lLCoYoAdNI1RIanuLcAokUJW3eoedI yXQZ9i+cuC+67vJ8t3bYit6TnJcfUtZEXxiVrVv0RlVG87yZjifsicBKcclHpWQBOjG0 L8SFmhaS0GE7JqPuvO4DtOOtoZwJhEjN09Uq3smFYjQXrvDQvYRNH4bFsEcgSNm2mZhJ jNug== ch2mr9749893pad.152.1362001813403; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:50:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.150.230 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:49:53 -0800 (PST) References: <5c432b0f.3cf1dd.13d1d56aced.Webtop.48@charter.net> From: Peter Murray Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:49:53 -0500 To: Tim Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Host file Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Looks like Eric's site is back up again, if you want to try to grab that file. -Peter On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Peter Murray wrote: > Tim- > > I use a plugin for Firefox called Adblock Plus. It works very well and > very transparently for me. > > Eric Petrevich (aka "Inch") had posted the below link to his hosts file on > 18-October 2012. > > > http://www.megageek.com/funstuff/fundoc.nsf/d601ad3d05e57888852566c00054521c/a60a238fb11251238525788c0044bcce?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,host > > I tried the link again just now, but couldn't connect to his site. The DNS > is working, but the shared server on which it is hosted is giving an error. > > -Peter > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Tim wrote: > >> Someone on this list had provided a "dummy" host file that makes banner >> adds not display. (I am totally wording this wrong) Anyway, can that >> person please send it to me (agian)? >> >> Thanks!! >> tim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 15:42:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34124055C for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:42:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E97F4054C for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:20:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C647538A059 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:13:29 -0800 (PST) :from:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=lne.com; bh=5R0lR+JR+ bY+J/DYd/pCy6g6ZBo=; b=KqpZWj43ZnWUfILdO+IHZZcq0sE6wCZy5PRV9Ap2c hMXwQxm4oUWAokcWQ5l7+eIKUInwwA047UQEfTaNLYKJV1QagoWL3ANELZOmf1Zg BRxPk7fOtDF6V+hLOZae9Li7gf8uyYsvjW2Bga6Qh/ZHdoTtQP0YjqheoRPTwXsd 94= Received: from [172.16.4.203] (unknown [66.201.49.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ericm@lne.com) by homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A97B038A005 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:13:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:13:28 -0800 From: Eric Murray User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <5c432b0f.3cf1dd.13d1d56aced.Webtop.48@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Host file Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Adblock works much better than a static hosts file. That's 1996 technology. Eric On 02/27/2013 12:49 PM, Peter Murray wrote: > Tim- > > I use a plugin for Firefox called Adblock Plus. It works very well and very > transparently for me. > > Eric Petrevich (aka "Inch") had posted the below link to his hosts file on > 18-October 2012. > > http://www.megageek.com/funstuff/fundoc.nsf/d601ad3d05e57888852566c00054521c/a60a238fb11251238525788c0044bcce?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,host > > I tried the link again just now, but couldn't connect to his site. The DNS > is working, but the shared server on which it is hosted is giving an error. > > -Peter > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Tim wrote: > >> Someone on this list had provided a "dummy" host file that makes banner >> adds not display. (I am totally wording this wrong) Anyway, can that >> person please send it to me (agian)? >> >> Thanks!! >> tim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ericm@lne.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 16:42:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6886B40569 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:42:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EB0403E6 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:20:55 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:00:42 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 02/27/2013 18:00:45, Serialize complete at 02/27/2013 18:00:45 Subject: [Shop-talk] Fw: Host file Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net For anyone else that might want the file, you can d/l it at my website... >http://www.megageek.com/funstuff/fundoc.nsf/d601ad3d05e57888852566c00054521c/a60a238fb11251238525788c0044bcce?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,host< It's a proven spam and ad fighting technique! (I make no money on this and it cost you nothing, I just hate spam and I want to see it gone!) Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson Someone on this list had provided a "dummy" host file that makes banner adds not display. (I am totally wording this wrong) Anyway, can that person please send it to me (agian)? Thanks!! tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 16:42:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC74E4056A for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:42:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BCE640558 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:23:11 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:02:56 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 02/27/2013 18:02:58, Serialize complete at 02/27/2013 18:02:58 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Host file Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Can you check again? It seems to work for me. (BTW, it's not a share hosted file. All my webpages and files are hosted on my personal webserver, so if my connection is up, it should all be there.) I was having some funny issues at work today trying to soft VPN in. I'll take a look later, my SO is really sick and she needs me by her side. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson Tim- I use a plugin for Firefox called Adblock Plus. It works very well and very transparently for me. Eric Petrevich (aka "Inch") had posted the below link to his hosts file on 18-October 2012. http://www.megageek.com/funstuff/fundoc.nsf/d601ad3d05e57888852566c00054521c/a60a238fb11251238525788c0044bcce?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,host I tried the link again just now, but couldn't connect to his site. The DNS is working, but the shared server on which it is hosted is giving an error. -Peter On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Tim wrote: > Someone on this list had provided a "dummy" host file that makes banner > adds not display. (I am totally wording this wrong) Anyway, can that > person please send it to me (agian)? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 16:42:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E92A40559 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:42:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0108.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB7E40558 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:24:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay01.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D6090F2EBB for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.109] (host216-187.lsdepts.ucsb.edu [128.111.216.187]) (Authenticated sender: mikey@rambour.com) by omf10.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:16:55 -0800 From: Mike Rambour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120827 Thunderbird/15.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <5c432b0f.3cf1dd.13d1d56aced.Webtop.48@charter.net> <512E8508.7080801@lne.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Host file Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net 1996 technology that I got from Eric "inch" works REALLY great for me, way better than Adblock ever did, since Adblock stops the ads, the hosts file stops everything. Your mileage may vary but sometimes the old technology is just better than the new stuff.... mike On 02/27/2013 02:13 PM, Eric Murray wrote: > Adblock works much better than a static hosts file. That's 1996 > technology. > > Eric > > > On 02/27/2013 12:49 PM, Peter Murray wrote: >> Tim- >> >> I use a plugin for Firefox called Adblock Plus. It works very well >> and very >> transparently for me. >> >> Eric Petrevich (aka "Inch") had posted the below link to his hosts >> file on >> 18-October 2012. >> >> http://www.megageek.com/funstuff/fundoc.nsf/d601ad3d05e57888852566c00054521c/a60a238fb11251238525788c0044bcce?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,host >> >> >> I tried the link again just now, but couldn't connect to his site. >> The DNS >> is working, but the shared server on which it is hosted is giving an >> error. >> >> -Peter >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Tim wrote: >> >>> Someone on this list had provided a "dummy" host file that makes banner >>> adds not display. (I am totally wording this wrong) Anyway, can that >>> person please send it to me (agian)? >>> >>> Thanks!! >>> tim >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ericm@lne.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/lists@dinospider.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 16:43:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46D440572 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:43:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625D540558 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:25:01 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:04:47 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 02/27/2013 18:04:48, Serialize complete at 02/27/2013 18:04:48 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Host file Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, there are much better and newer ways to do it, but this is a free way that I found works better than most ad on products and it doesn't cost CPU cycles like some ad ons. Note, I still use the ad ons as well, but I'm a 'belt and suspenders" guy when it come to security and protection. 8>) Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson Eric Murray Sent by: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net 02/27/2013 17:22 To shop-talk@autox.team.net cc Subject Re: [Shop-talk] Host file Adblock works much better than a static hosts file. That's 1996 technology. Eric On 02/27/2013 12:49 PM, Peter Murray wrote: > Tim- > > I use a plugin for Firefox called Adblock Plus. It works very well and very > transparently for me. > > Eric Petrevich (aka "Inch") had posted the below link to his hosts file on > 18-October 2012. > > http://www.megageek.com/funstuff/fundoc.nsf/d601ad3d05e57888852566c00054521c/a60a238fb11251238525788c0044bcce?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,host > > I tried the link again just now, but couldn't connect to his site. The DNS > is working, but the shared server on which it is hosted is giving an error. > > -Peter > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Tim wrote: > >> Someone on this list had provided a "dummy" host file that makes banner >> adds not display. (I am totally wording this wrong) Anyway, can that >> person please send it to me (agian)? >> >> Thanks!! >> tim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ericm@lne.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 20:17:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1111540E2A for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 20:17:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89FE40E24 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:53:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-195-102.morrisbb.com [173.246.195.102] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r1S2kHpn006241 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:46:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:46:11 -0500 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] OT: truck & car fax question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Guys, sorry for an OT post, But I am stuck in the market for a beater inexpensive vehicle. Was looking at a used 2001 Mazda B2500 truck. Which I guess is really a Ford Ranger more or less. Anyone have an unlimited CarFax account that could run a VIN for me? (pls reply off list) Or any general advice about that vehicle or engine. Would be my first time truck purchase. -Thanks, Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 06:20:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE9B40E33 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:20:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E997240406 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:03:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130228125623.JTEE10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11> for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:56:23 -0500 Received: from wt06 ([209.225.8.46]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id 5owP1l0010zbdDt05owPNx; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:56:23 -0500 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:17 a=SPAKA3mDuA0A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=ubFQImI7pJ0A:10 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=NYdaTi9LIzENVNmYkk4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=fN2J7l6Gh3oA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=ysVRCkYcCs3Z8VAg:21 a=ZWidwPI4ixO9OdN3:21 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.12] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:56:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:56:23 -0500 (EST) From: Tim To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Host file Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Worked for me. Thanks very much Eric! I hope your SO feels better soon!! tim On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:02 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Can you check again? It seems to work for me. > > (BTW, it's not a share hosted file. All my webpages and files are > hosted on my personal webserver, so if my connection is up, it should > all be there.) > I was having some funny issues at work today trying to soft VPN in. > I'll take a look later, my SO is really sick and she needs me by her > side. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > > > Tim- > > I use a plugin for Firefox called Adblock Plus. It works very well and > very > transparently for me. > > Eric Petrevich (aka "Inch") had posted the below link to his hosts > file on > 18-October 2012. > > > http://www.megageek.com/funstuff/fundoc.nsf/d601ad3d05e57888852566c00054521c/a60a238fb11251238525788c0044bcce?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,host > > > I tried the link again just now, but couldn't connect to his site. The > DNS > is working, but the shared server on which it is hosted is giving an > error. > > -Peter > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Tim wrote: > >> Someone on this list had provided a "dummy" host file that makes >> banner >> adds not display. (I am totally wording this wrong) Anyway, can that >> person please send it to me (agian)? > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive