From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 12:08:18 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D6C2587A53 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:08:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f42.google.com (mail-oi0-f42.google.com [209.85.218.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2392585DA0 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:02:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by oiao187 with SMTP id o187so14581435oia.3 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 11:03:06 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=btbQcD60IHbfM8dx6Ctf8UHJrU1PciY8ZmB9qbjgqpk=; b=b+khpWnCFv5ziG5AbWty/ve3fHYpOa4V6doqXLclpddRSp7jFN+Z8VW/Grm9Y00ZHv 9HcHQtNRryGxsq/TmnLsJUo+I6zApzhGbGxCToA7eOBI+oPC9crzFlBzTRB07jzaLTy8 z3sAMAttb8mxGUWHBfZ2Umufdex4QAUzmfYeaQP4CSRQqJ4kyXE/d4v99fdR42avNHng NwNskz6FH1bIXsVeRaag07Ofw8vF8Rv4AhlD51FQpbRW4tUMfaBUPCqOB2JHJlKH0BG7 1DlQsxJtkCioq2rfEV4dR+3HPI6oK/ZKFVQyNxeG1gPVkkqiPJh3agjC0cMZLBh4zbvg GJIg== b5mr18790632oia.120.1446577386127; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 11:03:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.176.132 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 11:02:26 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Hall Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:02:26 -0600 To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net So, the garage had part of the floor covered with vinyl tile. No sweat. Bought a floor scraper from Harbor Freight. Nice tool. Very sharp, thick blade on the end of a pole. Good for smooth concrete subfloors. Now I'm moving to the bathroom, which isn't over a slab--it's hung off the side of the building over a crawlspace. Which means a wood subfloor. The scraper is too sharp. The vinyl tile is at least two layers deep (they just tiled over the old tile) and it flexes. So running the scraper over it, it either bites into the tile and binds up (it can't bear against the rigid concrete subfloor), or it bites into the wood floor itself. I need...a dull(er) scraper. Maybe. Something I can lever under the tile that won't bite into the wood or tile. Or do I just need something else? Or...how can I remove vinyl tile from a wood subfloor? The tile is so old that it's disintegrating and I can't pull it up a tile at a time. But it's also too crumble-y to try to get a piece at a time--it's take months just to do the 10-by-6 area. Looking for advice--the garage mahal has a bathroom, and it's going to be awesome. As soon as I get this vinyl tile up. Scott _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 12:20:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852CD2586350 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:20:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246CB258777B for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:15:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 11:16:41 -0800 id 000000000028001E.0000000056390819.00000235 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: John Miller Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 11:16:38 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I need...a dull(er) scraper. Maybe. Something I can lever under the tile > that won't bite into the wood or tile. Or do I just need something else? > Or...how can I remove vinyl tile from a wood subfloor? The tile is so old > that it's disintegrating and I can't pull it up a tile at a time. But it's > also too crumble-y to try to get a piece at a time--it's take months just > to do the 10-by-6 area. What kind of adhesive? Would a heat gun soften everything enough to loosen it? John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 12:21:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19652587C62 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:21:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02im-asmtp001.me.com (st11p02im-asmtp001.me.com [17.172.220.113]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D5F2587BF1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:21:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.53] (174-25-41-13.ptld.qwest.net [174.25.41.13]) by st11p02im-asmtp001.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.35.0 64bit (built Mar 31 2015)) with ESMTPSA id <0NX900NI3751OY50@st11p02im-asmtp001.me.com> for Shop-talk@autox.team.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 19:22:20 +0000 (GMT) definitions=2015-11-03_10:,, signatures=0 kscore.is_bulkscore=0 kscore.compositescore=1 compositescore=0.9 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 kscore.is_spamscore=0 rbsscore=0 spamscore=0 urlsuspectscore=0.9 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1510090000 definitions=main-1511030336 From: Darrell Walker Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 11:22:13 -0800 References: To: Scott Hall Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I saw once about using dry ice to remove tiles. http://www.acmedryice.com/remove_floor_tiles_dry_ice.html -Darrell > On Nov 3, 2015, at 11:02 AM, Scott Hall wrote: > > So, the garage had part of the floor covered with vinyl tile. > > No sweat. Bought a floor scraper from Harbor Freight. Nice tool. Very > sharp, thick blade on the end of a pole. Good for smooth concrete subfloors. > > Now I'm moving to the bathroom, which isn't over a slab--it's hung off the > side of the building over a crawlspace. Which means a wood subfloor. > > The scraper is too sharp. The vinyl tile is at least two layers deep (they > just tiled over the old tile) and it flexes. So running the scraper over > it, it either bites into the tile and binds up (it can't bear against the > rigid concrete subfloor), or it bites into the wood floor itself. > > I need...a dull(er) scraper. Maybe. Something I can lever under the tile > that won't bite into the wood or tile. Or do I just need something else? > Or...how can I remove vinyl tile from a wood subfloor? The tile is so old > that it's disintegrating and I can't pull it up a tile at a time. But it's > also too crumble-y to try to get a piece at a time--it's take months just > to do the 10-by-6 area. > > Looking for advice--the garage mahal has a bathroom, and it's going to be > awesome. As soon as I get this vinyl tile up. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/darrellw360@mac.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 12:53:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE10F2587E24 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:53:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53C725877A6 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:52:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.248.153.253] ([172.248.153.253:3871] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 94/ED-03679-3A019365; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 19:53:08 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 11:53:09 -0800 Thread-Index: AdEWayWvqxkUUtswQZaNs+jZBJV3BwABWw+g Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I need...a dull(er) scraper. Maybe. Something I can lever > under the tile > that won't bite into the wood or tile. Or do I just need > something else? What about filing a taper on the end of the scraper, making it more like a wood chisel? With some practice, maybe you could hit the edge of the tile at just the right angle, so the sharp edge would get under the edge of the tile, then the natural lever action as the scraper moves would lever the tile away from the wood. You might also want to round or blunt the corners to make them less apt to dig in. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 12:59:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468582587F10 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:59:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a115.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539062587DAC for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:59:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from homiemail-a115.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a115.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AAA3570E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:00:09 -0800 (PST) :content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to; s=groupwbench.org; bh=yeCjyyIxY3Evi8zbz2wFF9DpUuk=; b= Av7RgLn3FMzB+W/vhdHug9HyVpZaTAO9i0u2t3+LV2wMaiSTKSrsxa5eoqvrkblN jKFRvFxyO78cOobupHmhIV+gW8SaKyA2r/4eI7Nb1jfmf5AmgiF6DmJl+m0RS57H rx9XPHQ1d5/zk+7/Vad8PGjoaOuo+zRT1EGgH1xXoHU= Received: from jims-imac.home (pool-98-118-108-149.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.108.149]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a115.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EC5D6570D for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:00:08 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Franklin Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:00:07 -0500 References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Nov 3, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Scott Hall wrote: > Now I'm moving to the bathroom, which isn't over a slab--it's hung off the > side of the building over a crawlspace. Which means a wood subfloor. When I come across this I just pull up the subfloor. MUCH easier than dealing with separating the tile. Plywood is cheap, relatively speaking. jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 13:26:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE21258558A for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:26:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904742584AEB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:21:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20151103202209.IYGA18115.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:22:09 -0500 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.213.227]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id d8N81r00G4uwYHU018N8xP; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:22:09 -0500 a=1uXzHskWtM6b6G3593e3IQ==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=YieQUjN_AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=TUdD25Rw6vcvxZSZ6V0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=IC5Fj5-Le_sA:10 a=LYdvYTC98TkA:10 a=VdXV6EHFlXm9IFZk:21 a=w3GTZbFj5Zx3-ed1:21 a=Fxrj6yxg1mKUjkdsvP0A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tJCBhQhkLYCPPFDA:21 a=1uXzHskWtM6b6G3593e3IQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (CRAM-MD5) smtp.auth=jblair1948@cox.net Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:22:09 -0500 To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net From: "John T. Blair" References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At 02:02 PM 11/3/2015, you wrote: >Now I'm moving to the bathroom, which isn't over a slab--it's hung off the >side of the building over a crawlspace. Which means a wood subfloor. >The scraper is too sharp. The vinyl tile is at least two layers deep (they >just tiled over the old tile) and it flexes. So running the scraper over >it, it either bites into the tile and binds up (it can't bear against the >rigid concrete subfloor), or it bites into the wood floor itself. I just pulled the vinyl tiles on my bathroom floor. I tried using a heavy duty scrapper like you are talking about to no avail. I ended up using a "multi tool" from Harbor freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/oscillating-multifunction-power-tool-62279.html using a blade like this: http://www.harborfreight.com/2-in-high-carbon-steel-multi-tool-rigid-scraper-blade-61828.html Made short work of the job. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 14:01:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE402585DB4 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:01:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22662585D2C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:00:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by obctp1 with SMTP id tp1so23153362obc.2 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 13:01:48 -0800 (PST) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:to; bh=mU0lOqDI7xHqr5qAcYjftmAp4b6xjklkqvNVA2lrrUA=; b=a4okSl/PbSbr8lbiB8Bw1geiaEnOnZgSfOG9ttpGlSZb1Fk6KczbK5BQgvCMMHhYxK g/7wWKW/hpVsGVP/IM4ssdb8BgW0LErD2Ut54+3fmo9LRaZk/VyTllS/KWmlE2nTa+a0 P3zJtzwR0DMY7cr/7UVFmkMXzomvDhr5y+V92Q2TU75BUPulSHQIG5/goaGGqjd7O10v luaW9sYeYMlkQdH8TWmTqbeXLjh7GPU1JAWO1ImfVb3nJzpu5Jbq9fZaUwDzbKnJJWVY B8XzQwE4oy0y8OK124Y+ccsLL4h/zEofl5vK1zW5H7/d+AJXEUdpDB+vikY4rfpfpNOn 2k3Q== cb1mr159844obb.59.1446584508442; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 13:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.230.237.67] ([166.177.120.150]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r4sm11775935obf.7.2015.11.03.13.01.46 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Nov 2015 13:01:46 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:01:45 -0600 References: <6.2.5.6.1.20151103151734.04db4ec0@cox.net> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net "The tile is so old that it's disintegrating..." Old floor tile sometimes contained asbestos. If it is more than around 50 years old (I'm just guessing on that date; a little Googling would give you the correct one) the right thing to do would be to have it tested and hire professionals if necessary. I may get slammed for saying this, but short of hiring a professional, you might want to do something to keep dust down while removing it. Maybe wet the surface while you are working? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 3, 2015, at 2:22 PM, John T. Blair wrote: > > At 02:02 PM 11/3/2015, you wrote: > >> Now I'm moving to the bathroom, which isn't over a slab--it's hung off the >> side of the building over a crawlspace. Which means a wood subfloor. > >> The scraper is too sharp. The vinyl tile is at least two layers deep (they >> just tiled over the old tile) and it flexes. So running the scraper over >> it, it either bites into the tile and binds up (it can't bear against the >> rigid concrete subfloor), or it bites into the wood floor itself. > > I just pulled the vinyl tiles on my bathroom floor. I tried using a > heavy duty scrapper like you are talking about to no avail. I ended > up using a "multi tool" from > Harbor freight: > > http://www.harborfreight.com/oscillating-multifunction-power-tool-62279.html > > > using a blade like this: > > http://www.harborfreight.com/2-in-high-carbon-steel-multi-tool-rigid-scraper- blade-61828.html > > > Made short work of the job. > > John > > > John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net > Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 > > 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III > 65 Rambler Classic > > Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan > Bricklin: www.bricklin.org > > If you can read this - Thank a teacher! > If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! > > From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: > e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." > In God We Trust > Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for > oneself; freedom from control or restriction > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 14:29:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7192587A77 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:29:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D55258764D for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:28:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from PatsOffice ([184.105.18.14]) by p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id d9Vs1r00c0JCzvc019VtE2; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 14:29:54 -0700 From: "Pat Horne" To: "'Scott Hall'" , References: Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:29:51 -0600 Thread-Index: AdEWay1uES1IQs3rR5GSrS8dJd/Q3gAE2WfA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net As was mentioned, beware of asbestos tile. The easiest way to identify it is that asbestos tile us usually 8" or 9" size, where vinyl is usually 12" tile. Peace, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Hall Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 1:02 PM To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy So, the garage had part of the floor covered with vinyl tile. No sweat. Bought a floor scraper from Harbor Freight. Nice tool. Very sharp, thick blade on the end of a pole. Good for smooth concrete subfloors. Now I'm moving to the bathroom, which isn't over a slab--it's hung off the side of the building over a crawlspace. Which means a wood subfloor. The scraper is too sharp. The vinyl tile is at least two layers deep (they just tiled over the old tile) and it flexes. So running the scraper over it, it either bites into the tile and binds up (it can't bear against the rigid concrete subfloor), or it bites into the wood floor itself. I need...a dull(er) scraper. Maybe. Something I can lever under the tile that won't bite into the wood or tile. Or do I just need something else? Or...how can I remove vinyl tile from a wood subfloor? The tile is so old that it's disintegrating and I can't pull it up a tile at a time. But it's also too crumble-y to try to get a piece at a time--it's take months just to do the 10-by-6 area. Looking for advice--the garage mahal has a bathroom, and it's going to be awesome. As soon as I get this vinyl tile up. Scott _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 14:42:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49E42587B9D for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:42:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5992587A53 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by obbza9 with SMTP id za9so23879225obb.1 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 13:37:56 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=QOY2YBE0/NeQjSOSt63RvBzawGODrzBM5W4qdZ3ht04=; b=Jg6P8qVYFNpOXi/xIxKFv23njluvaT8s7pHxGEU6V5zVdAoVme9OXTXurzERhBIe0q q8CqEE1W1GGn3KmUW7rJh2vT1SURqeN6bXwVtm4LtPdItu4B4/m5XsEP9wLvh6aFtbiF nqQvTstL1uspDfQS9aQocxCC/zCmnr1g8m1GgBdRTFto1um3mJ0hGduGAyzgNMsFAKqW qPRLXHgv+JIVMusbEPg1HvZCuZkKZWqU+hM4juUb5pkrRKEQp//CTra947meBkyQvcXE 6OY4q/kO+QVSyXn4tgZjE2bET+tmqAEWDmpmuK+QlSA8irhw6RPGXTSk/Tk/wggf8KFx Gm9w== Tue, 03 Nov 2015 13:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.176.132 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:37:17 -0800 (PST) References: <94.ED.03679.3A019365@cdptpa-oedge01> From: Scott Hall Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:37:17 -0600 To: Randall Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Actually, the scraper blade *is* shaped just like a very large chisel. And it's made of something like Mithral--my first thought was to file the scraper until a desired level of dull-ness was achieved. My file isn't doing a thing to it--not even the edges (like you suggested). Or else the wood and tile are just that soft. I've hacked up about 50 sq. ft. of floor so far. On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Randall wrote: > > I need...a dull(er) scraper. Maybe. Something I can lever > > under the tile > > that won't bite into the wood or tile. Or do I just need > > something else? > > What about filing a taper on the end of the scraper, making it more like a > wood chisel? With some practice, maybe you could hit the > edge of the tile at just the right angle, so the sharp edge would get > under the edge of the tile, then the natural lever action as > the scraper moves would lever the tile away from the wood. You might also > want to round or blunt the corners to make them less apt > to dig in. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 14:57:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984982587BEC for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:57:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820832584D97 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:49:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 13:50:02 -0800 id 000000000028001F.0000000056392C0A.00000F5D To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <010901d1167e$c758c8f0$560a5ad0$@com> From: John Miller Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:49:58 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/3/2015 1:29 PM, Pat Horne wrote: > As was mentioned, beware of asbestos tile. The easiest way to identify it is > that asbestos tile us usually 8" or 9" size, where vinyl is usually 12" > tile. A dozen years ago when we did some significant remodeling we found tile on the slab under the carpet in a couple rooms, from when the house was built in 1964/65. Sent samples out for asbestos testing and found that while the tiles did not contain friable asbestos, the adhesive did. The bunny-suit crew was out here at 8AM, taped off the rooms, hooked up the blower, suited up, busted and scraped all the tile out, gave me the chain-of-custody paperwork on the shipper and disposal, and was gone by early afternoon. I don't recall it being memorably expensive. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 15:14:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DFE2585CE9 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:14:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f43.google.com (mail-oi0-f43.google.com [209.85.218.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A312585C9E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:14:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by oiao187 with SMTP id o187so17698458oia.3 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 14:15:43 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=JkXu/APfVRR2SpUsnWIUA5v3kOaGhC7gVQiegLYLtt8=; b=weKIQGj8mZZ5bSZuEwocKpkUOE0UdVDHLK1c8k530hakArH477CY/5M06BFL5TdFD8 OgCK2vL8M4OXTGtReTPMehphFe2/P+KX6NRqepdUvt3/m6yNI0Qem+eDwG8DwzjsRrwc VDcAZgq5dAmd3NBspUJLd8AN/YTiV+tJeWQfNxNT95ZOcb/wPH52EUhAeEVSM7vxRSoG wflsKq0OSE5WaM6DVokILY7dMbw+CraMaDjRtDyRZmv3y2YdL5VI3TwhZ9GwUU8W3MtM 6MAT1z/dvBQMdJYr9IsztUEzgfGVNy7FblLOe9q/5YiY25n6kvj9cFknVxxKn8CrC++k D/uQ== z186mr19415461oie.38.1446588943563; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 14:15:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.176.132 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:15:04 -0800 (PST) References: <6.2.5.6.1.20151103151734.04db4ec0@cox.net> From: Scott Hall Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:15:04 -0600 To: "John T. Blair" Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ...so you're saying I need a new tool... On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 2:22 PM, John T. Blair wrote: > At 02:02 PM 11/3/2015, you wrote: > > >Now I'm moving to the bathroom, which isn't over a slab--it's hung off > the > >side of the building over a crawlspace. Which means a wood subfloor. > > >The scraper is too sharp. The vinyl tile is at least two layers deep > (they > >just tiled over the old tile) and it flexes. So running the scraper over > >it, it either bites into the tile and binds up (it can't bear against the > >rigid concrete subfloor), or it bites into the wood floor itself. > > I just pulled the vinyl tiles on my bathroom floor. I tried using a > heavy duty scrapper like you are talking about to no avail. I ended > up using a "multi tool" from > Harbor freight: > > > http://www.harborfreight.com/oscillating-multifunction-power-tool-62279.html > > > using a blade like this: > > > http://www.harborfreight.com/2-in-high-carbon-steel-multi-tool-rigid-scraper-blade-61828.html > > > Made short work of the job. > > John > > > John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net > Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 > > 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III > 65 Rambler Classic > > Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan > Bricklin: www.bricklin.org > > If you can read this - Thank a teacher! > If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! > > From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: > e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." > In God We Trust > Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for > oneself; freedom from control or restriction > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 15:27:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 031782586350 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:27:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB642585403 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:17:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by obctp1 with SMTP id tp1so24775671obc.2 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 14:18:02 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=F2kF+fxAh8dicBppFjGlJ5mKHQYvknw/ktkL9EAIMYQ=; b=n5s6AA3uB4yIbBjfVzn/L1XtGmcu6RwWnAAZVCMbb9sNiRYs+krwYK81Khya43eX8D KBfmSNL9ESp0FClG7VMvDxxy6AkiaGQloR8soXCyU2RxH0UMEHGTn/CQulwcfkgkV1/F ejjpDvRXkr+u03B9NZ7yK+9byZFdQVdsJd4vln1Op4d297QjKtSBjYmDUKaWayyqSPkp +CDGpgaGFldrX4H83aA93X81e7OUxoepoFf9nGkPOJStGxqyQXcKDipWFMZtOBrn/hQO hXSmNAUtkVz5dU04+dKyNKTq7KB7QHHhbSZ7zdp/oi4/2jA9UbY+07t9+ug1s8nuEpKd o/eQ== h5mr21262006obf.26.1446589082096; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 14:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.176.132 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:17:22 -0800 (PST) References: <010901d1167e$c758c8f0$560a5ad0$@com> From: Scott Hall Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:17:22 -0600 To: Pat Horne Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'll measure it to be sure, but this stuff is about 12 inches square, and it looks like the mid-'80s stuff my mom had in her kitchen. The stuff on top looks like 1990s era stuff. Also about a foot square. On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Pat Horne wrote: > As was mentioned, beware of asbestos tile. The easiest way to identify it > is > that asbestos tile us usually 8" or 9" size, where vinyl is usually 12" > tile. > > Peace, > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Scott > Hall > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 1:02 PM > To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy > > So, the garage had part of the floor covered with vinyl tile. > > No sweat. Bought a floor scraper from Harbor Freight. Nice tool. Very > sharp, > thick blade on the end of a pole. Good for smooth concrete subfloors. > > Now I'm moving to the bathroom, which isn't over a slab--it's hung off the > side of the building over a crawlspace. Which means a wood subfloor. > > The scraper is too sharp. The vinyl tile is at least two layers deep (they > just tiled over the old tile) and it flexes. So running the scraper over > it, > it either bites into the tile and binds up (it can't bear against the rigid > concrete subfloor), or it bites into the wood floor itself. > > I need...a dull(er) scraper. Maybe. Something I can lever under the tile > that won't bite into the wood or tile. Or do I just need something else? > Or...how can I remove vinyl tile from a wood subfloor? The tile is so old > that it's disintegrating and I can't pull it up a tile at a time. But it's > also too crumble-y to try to get a piece at a time--it's take months just > to > do the 10-by-6 area. > > Looking for advice--the garage mahal has a bathroom, and it's going to be > awesome. As soon as I get this vinyl tile up. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 15:42:37 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFC92587CD2 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:42:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EF52587C1F for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:37:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by itonami.pair.com (Postfix, from userid 3198) id 2FDCB8FF1C; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 17:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itonami.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEDC8FC12 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 17:38:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 17:38:09 -0500 (EST) From: David Hillman To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <010901d1167e$c758c8f0$560a5ad0$@com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Scott Hall wrote: > I'll measure it to be sure, but this stuff is about 12 inches square, and > it looks like the mid-'80s stuff my mom had in her kitchen. The stuff on > top looks like 1990s era stuff. Also about a foot square. Measuring is not a fool-proof way to distinguish. I can't believe someone suggested that. There exist tiles of many sizes with asbestos. That link lists many, but I'm not sure that's definitive either. If they crumble into a white powder, that's probably asbestos, and you don't want to be breathing that dust. Neither does anyone you hire to remove them, so it'll cost a couple grand. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 15:43:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01EA12587DA6 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:43:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93632587D39 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:42:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from PatsOffice ([184.105.18.14]) by p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id dAjj1r0080JCzvc01AjjsA; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:43:44 -0700 From: "Pat Horne" To: "'Scott Hall'" References: <010901d1167e$c758c8f0$560a5ad0$@com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:43:42 -0600 Thread-Index: AdEWhYGG6t+zu0GXSqejCJEDkhfJSAAAz2Bw Content-Language: en-us Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net One other thing. Larger rental companies and some flooring suppliers will rent you a power floor scraper. I used one on a floor that was covered with glued down rubber sheet. It was a lot easier than working by hand and it cut out strips about a foot wide so it should work fine on VCT. The blade shuttles back and forth, cutting into the mastic. Peace, Pat From: Scott Hall [mailto:scott.hall.personal@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 4:17 PM To: Pat Horne Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy I'll measure it to be sure, but this stuff is about 12 inches square, and it looks like the mid-'80s stuff my mom had in her kitchen. The stuff on top looks like 1990s era stuff. Also about a foot square. On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Pat Horne wrote: As was mentioned, beware of asbestos tile. The easiest way to identify it is that asbestos tile us usually 8" or 9" size, where vinyl is usually 12" tile. Peace, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Hall Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 1:02 PM To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy So, the garage had part of the floor covered with vinyl tile. No sweat. Bought a floor scraper from Harbor Freight. Nice tool. Very sharp, thick blade on the end of a pole. Good for smooth concrete subfloors. Now I'm moving to the bathroom, which isn't over a slab--it's hung off the side of the building over a crawlspace. Which means a wood subfloor. The scraper is too sharp. The vinyl tile is at least two layers deep (they just tiled over the old tile) and it flexes. So running the scraper over it, it either bites into the tile and binds up (it can't bear against the rigid concrete subfloor), or it bites into the wood floor itself. I need...a dull(er) scraper. Maybe. Something I can lever under the tile that won't bite into the wood or tile. Or do I just need something else? Or...how can I remove vinyl tile from a wood subfloor? The tile is so old that it's disintegrating and I can't pull it up a tile at a time. But it's also too crumble-y to try to get a piece at a time--it's take months just to do the 10-by-6 area. Looking for advice--the garage mahal has a bathroom, and it's going to be awesome. As soon as I get this vinyl tile up. Scott _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 18:44:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A907E2587B8E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:44:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8B22585ACF for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:35:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.114]) by resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id dDaZ1r0092Udklx01DcB0E; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 01:36:11 +0000 Received: from BigBlack ([IPv6:2601:600:4000:c20a:bc73:e312:34d5:228]) by resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id dDcA1r00c2tvpuy01DcBcb; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 01:36:11 +0000 From: "Bob Kegel" To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20151103151734.04db4ec0@cox.net> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 17:36:07 -0800 s=q20140121; t=1446600971; bh=ouvFeuIAJOzLq15UD6Og3yzsZEarf+5D5TJvi2k79ZI=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=joQq0MQeVOgwtmR6X2eQeUuRpO5RV2eZEzWALLzj43X2HXEJnmcIykie8sboanEa/ CwxjGEJ58kh/GaJ/OQVw4pMVE8/EVhcUMdkYeE2yFrqD7VkZ4CypCNUMaMPx6KzQW1 cMIhDiSI6NJEQi9AnAOMNGPY4u3/TqjKahjXDQD3uSQuAfsTKdJsaIRBqo6eigeQzn 7HqL8eY7vioMGBBfZ8e9L216jCYkg2rIS5KiL7jJ57A80OoT0gR4zdqmh7OZKB6GFK rxmVipgB5GuW2q/YclYHNym25ptSIrJ+muZFbunsETy2ww3L3azOiUcmuOq6oaHBTf EZ5ViFlvdM4HA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I ended up using a "multi tool" from Harbor freight I'll second that. I got a "Genesis GMT15A Multi-Purpose Oscillating Tool" off of Amazon for a flooring project. The scraper worked really well for removing vinyl tile and carpet adhesive from a concrete slab. Some time later, SHMBO wanted the bathroom professionally redone. The contractor looked at the 1960's vintage floor tiles and started muttering about asbestos testing. "If the tile's not here when you come back tomorrow, there's no problem, right?" says I. "Nope," says he. The scraper did a fine job on a wood subfloor, too. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 19:14:20 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211B22585AC9 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:14:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700812587BAB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:05:17 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=owMUbl8CHPqMxnqZ49G3UsMoOa5MCx68oejLmmnoAtBPMMulp2CbPAwQS7zLixF1; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.9.216] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ZtnSb-0004Ir-EK; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 21:06:01 -0500 To: Scott Hall , "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: From: Brian Kemp Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:04:53 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Scott - I second the asbestos content. A homeowner can remove small amounts, but if a big area, it may be best for a professional. If you touch it, wear a good respirator - more than a dust mask. I think it is N99 vs N95 as in the percent filtered. Look and see if you have two layers of wood for your flooring. If so, I would definitely at least take off the top layer. Careful cutting with a circular saw should make it easy. It will probably be easiest to just take a circular saw and cut around the edge of the room to take out the subfloor. I did this in one bathroom earlier this year. I had water damage near the shower and toilet and decided it was easiest to just take up the plywood and 1x6 floor boards and put down new plywood. I used the oscillating cutter in the corners where the circular saw couldn't get. 3/4" plywood was close enough to the 1x6 then I topped it with a layer of 1/2" plywood in the opposite direction. The floor is very solid. I went a step further with a layer of Ditra membrane then tile. My second bathroom had sheet vinyl that had to come up. I tried a heat gun and a scraper blade in my oscillating tool, but both took forever. I ended up using my rotary hammer with a chisel bit - an older version of this: http://www.harborfreight.com/1-18-in-10-amp-heavy-duty-sds-variable-speed-rotary-hammer-69274.html and http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-sds-max-type-masonry-chisel-bit-set-3-pc-60377.html This quickly took up the floor in strips. This was over a concrete slab. I had a couple bits remain, so just hit them with the angle grinder with a concrete grinding disk. I first tried the angle grinder with a wire cup, but the adhesive was too soft, so just smeared. A sanding disk would be better for the wood if you keep the existing floor. They make a compound for leveling the floor, so if you have some scrapes and divots, you can just skim the floor and have a near perfect surface. This means you don't have to be as careful removing the old stuff if you try and keep the existing wood. While working, I hung a box fan in the window on high to exhaust all the mess outside and wore a respirator. My safety glasses kept fogging, so I switched to swim goggles. I also wore my hearing protection as it was noisy. Best to take care of yourself so you can keep doing the projects. Brian On 11/3/2015 11:02 AM, Scott Hall wrote: > So, the garage had part of the floor covered with vinyl tile. > > No sweat. Bought a floor scraper from Harbor Freight. Nice tool. Very > sharp, thick blade on the end of a pole. Good for smooth concrete subfloors. > > Now I'm moving to the bathroom, which isn't over a slab--it's hung off the > side of the building over a crawlspace. Which means a wood subfloor. > > The scraper is too sharp. The vinyl tile is at least two layers deep (they > just tiled over the old tile) and it flexes. So running the scraper over > it, it either bites into the tile and binds up (it can't bear against the > rigid concrete subfloor), or it bites into the wood floor itself. > > I need...a dull(er) scraper. Maybe. Something I can lever under the tile > that won't bite into the wood or tile. Or do I just need something else? > Or...how can I remove vinyl tile from a wood subfloor? The tile is so old > that it's disintegrating and I can't pull it up a tile at a time. But it's > also too crumble-y to try to get a piece at a time--it's take months just > to do the 10-by-6 area. > > Looking for advice--the garage mahal has a bathroom, and it's going to be > awesome. As soon as I get this vinyl tile up. > > Scott _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 20:17:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674942585DAE for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:17:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D7D2585DA7 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:17:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6052312A7 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 03:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.244]) by localhost (filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Q-3afe7LT0fa for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 03:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.120.108]) by relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C23AD30C05F for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 03:17:50 +0000 (UTC) References: <6.2.5.6.1.20151103151734.04db4ec0@cox.net> Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" From: Dave Cavanaugh Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:17:58 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper...but it's not that easy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'll third the motion. Everyone needs an oscillating multi tool and the one from HF seems to work pretty well. I use mine a lot more than I expected; the sander is especially good for getting in corners. As for the tile, everyone else has pretty much covered it. On 11/3/2015 2:15 PM, Scott Hall wrote: > ..so you're saying I need a new tool... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 3 21:30:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED93B2585CD4 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:30:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB2B2585C9E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:22:10 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=hqIjZF696aGf2Rthd4eu7ij1eCbzCeZUbANM8TcSruQqac875Wx6tx3lUlEqhb6B; h=Received:Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.9.216] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ztpaz-0003aK-94; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 23:22:49 -0500 To: Dave Cavanaugh References: <6.2.5.6.1.20151103151734.04db4ec0@cox.net> <563978E6.3020104@frontier.com> From: Brian Kemp Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:21:41 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor scraper -> oscillating cutter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm on my second HF oscillating cutter, but got my money's worth out of the first one. For under $20, you can't go wrong. Buy some spare blades as they don't last long. I like the half circle blades for cutting along a line where you need a cut flush with an edge or can't fit another saw. I have not had good luck with the HF metal cutting blades and the regular blades don't like hitting a nail, so if doing careful demo, you may go through several. These are more of a precision tool where something else doesn't fit. Good uses: - Notching a stud for an electrical box over a vanity where other studs were close for a circular saw. - Removing the roof sheeting in the attic to access another portion of the attic. I have a regular rectangular attic then a second area where there is a bedroom off to the side. They framed and sheeted the area and I didn't have access to the space over the bedroom. I'm in Southern CA, so we have low roofs. Half the cutting was lying on my belly with my arms almost fully extended cutting along the rafters to open the space so I could run electrical and plumbing for my bathroom renovations. - Removing painted trim that needed to be reused after the project. This used a scraper blade to split the crown molding from the painted cabinet. - Separating a door frame from the exterior stucco molding so I could replace the door. I didn't want to damage the stucco or custom trim inset in the stucco when removing the old door so used the plunge cutting blade as both a cutter and a scraper sliding it along the trim till I hit a nail, then pulling it back and cutting the nail. All the teeth were gone from the blade, but I got the door out without breaking stucco. - Cutting floor tile that run under the threshold of the above door project. For some reason, a previous owner tiled the floor to the exterior of the door opening, installed the threshold, then cut down the door to fit. I used my angle grinder to cut most of the tile and a small diamond blade in the HF cutter to finish the ends to properly install the door without modification. - Removing rotten subfloor in corners where the circular saw didn't fit. - Using a diamond blade to cut grout so I could carefully remove tile for a new window without disturbing the tile that remained. - Cutting a studs to frame for a new recessed medicine cabinet opening. I cut as much as I could with the circular saw then finished the cut with a plunge blade. The other side of the wall is plaster and my daughter's bedroom, so a sawzall was out of the question. - Cutting studs for a new electrical panel - no room for a bigger saw and didn't want to damage the plaster walls. - Notching 1/2" out of the side of a floor joist to fit a new bathtub drain. - Cutting back a window jam extension without removing the window during a bathroom remodel. The new wall is thinner than the old wall and this is at least the third window in that opening and was installed inside the casing of an earlier window. They are loud tools, so I recommend hearing protection. Brian On 11/3/2015 7:17 PM, Dave Cavanaugh wrote: > I'll third the motion. Everyone needs an oscillating multi tool and > the one from HF seems to work pretty well. I use mine a lot more than > I expected; the sander is especially good for getting in corners. > > As for the tile, everyone else has pretty much covered it. > On 11/3/2015 2:15 PM, Scott Hall wrote: >> ..so you're saying I need a new tool... > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 4 09:06:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D8525857BE for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:06:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACCB82585799 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:57:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.226]) by resqmta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id dTyU1r0014tLnxL01TyimM; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 15:58:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([50.168.107.76]) by resomta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id dTyh1r0031evlWS01Tyhvp; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 15:58:42 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Mark Miller Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 07:58:33 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 s=q20140121; t=1446652722; bh=JzoaLYlGzkLCQNpnEhvYPVeZdyu659NgSTbWT/Nyv9Q=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:Reply-To:From:Message-ID:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=m1FWyG+whI+2Yey7IbyTsJb4Zcl7LwjqXDneyWYrLVmkenG+zYsO0ny+hg/pPNeIh 9ym3LZYHHlIAjZIQIHExoeLmvtgbMuKAFuhV/nX4yMUYaGpkFtUQa5pgcUr92pS8JF sW2iUQC4RJdjEUrnEu3XIm3IoGQQ+v6TAA5/mKvG2zzLAbEqMqEaocxP5QWllCF8mf 9rnXFRaUMS2F1ufzYNTcfa8I2mOVJAJN4K19dn37f1l0DfrGGggAV8dgHlKPiTs9Nd JPGjOlyZkBzKBJLUiV+KxAfbKWBPPrpz4Jsy+OapRe1yNf5C1/Nq+im/tfQAps0BI9 7GMT9lLjEaK0A== Subject: [Shop-talk] HF osc. multitool (was floor scraper) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net <<< I'll third the motion. Everyone needs an oscillating multi tool and the one from HF seems to work pretty well. I use mine a lot more than I expected; the sander is especially good for getting in corners. As for the tile, everyone else has pretty much covered it. >>> Love those tools. I've been using the cheap one and then tried the slightly more powerful variable speed one. That one is crap; the speed control failed and it cuts out often. It could be a bad unit, but the single speed $15 (when on sale) one seems fine to me. Regards, Mark Miller _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 5 18:00:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F0025886FA for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:00:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D553A2587F4D for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 17:34:29 -0700 (MST) s=s1024; t=1446770125; bh=81sLDamyRCOiV6+VxCBjStc/IxbtCy/Sa9Lqe8KqVLU=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=p21xykrGe2aGDSrXmkT24b/PySf5bEmoD3eFdbtcSvrpMOIZeubNcWqHRtLVfvgWbhFtm2xITYhOucEoMga7NCLta6776fywHg7Ns6XOxXYRctrE8RRhNsSM05ZR1thh3EosMRJpRr1djmhQtpl2gboRYdyWTZCXSWfB37ro55I= Received: from [216.39.60.175] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2015 00:35:25 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.118] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2015 00:35:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2015 00:35:25 -0000 ZE7PffBIytTHQv6Xe2ue9hQjFCeU_qcMH2XIrnAQ.AvT1CyV5aW8SghFW9pO 4HBNfuH.N1Z8VkajhL.GBAQXz7yiwu.mBHMbk1a8QZTONmvevn0OvWuGKHP4 lbKhFhgT3M88ZK.IhDLwVRnItrdJwUSW4GaGSUm0V.EFeKBsaYF2OlOJVKXQ 0GUHEHyTK0M7AbaZL729KPDojgtEf850_22yYJDSSJSEhph7Kkbpv2awRXOT 0UhBb1FxdCThmJKAAV2CqIokKnKZ4IAi.JR.aEcfbZTZ6wZbnUc_OUKm3gkf 2KXK6IrXddVQPAyKXT9lkXb0ijBAAbAZn23Nqm_Ur8IBa2Cbfmj_xbUVR2LK sHWP1mTp8Eqo3wqf.RQjElsFRztyZ3j8ItAy_yC61q55r4.mbDkXZbhcxYDO xcpqWZHuIXMzDJj2ocW.RZjmDcb7O.UyTGfXOZzAF9a85orlN2hP5LynsOYH ciwq3zg-- From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:35:20 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] small engine direction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net quick question..... when the specs for a 5 (or so) horse power gas engine says the shaft turns counter-clockwise.... which end is it referring to the shaft end or the recoil starter end ??? Ibm thinking looking at the shaft end it would be counter-clockwise right ?? need to replace the engine on my leaf vacuum (18 years old) and trying to find a suitable replacement thanks John _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 6 09:24:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB89A2588FBF for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:24:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F93258767F for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:06:50 -0700 (MST) s=s1024; t=1446826066; bh=4GJvyOThP70Ut6GnI32eaK6NCljVSZ1/ivfy4ejBzxI=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=ts8uHy6yN7G3Fj5fOZHP3tF29sZPDXuoPzPHmpi9TWO+iTdyaxD1zJnfoc2h3ftEB+crGw61oy8Zm8f33hDoVlcvDWe9cahOYbwmsCAebcm1PYVp/HSW9kG37zCZvRkKy2eN8XiD2OW+7gt9Nwctfc+jC2/yn5DpLb7wjoiK3rM= Received: from [216.39.60.169] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2015 16:07:46 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.117] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2015 16:07:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2015 16:07:46 -0000 7W3gl5blgitCnNF14I.Uxbp_iusO41TiNwjRYy1_.tOuQ2wA20qHxRCOwv1R r_izL0O5HkCc_sVdoTHCTbGmEVfvNrTOprcgaBYe1hM_jDyVZVd60csnWhES W6b82iYlWcXKEE2XT8GAFU2OR8RNU4x2iqVlfhj.KiofhRGsYQjD_OVODo2. FuhvigLE4B77m9ibNyFFjJblQlMldJ1vVVtKEfIPgD9QuvxMp5Jpzbz_IKy1 OB8N.Qu8dtwUqUskSPxYwmDE2camKL1sXMy0Chau4QNOnG5IBNw9Ryx.zRO1 a3qxdIM3n40UjsfFac7P58lnoE_LDtDg.782gtDm_abO7CagRFnFFxx59VZR tqJXIYa0rQLeWV3yq7ZrJYwDWJG7cG5X_W9tYQyl3_E5PjmdJV9QFUMZMq62 Kl83AO5VfsKuSD_zVZWOGdkkvSK5JoKw0nQRNu0IbO7v9exzYBbjV.iXNTkv wfbsbNg-- From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:07:41 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] small engine shaft mismatch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Good Morning Group... herebs a thinking project for you this a.m. I have a 5hp Tecumseh engine thatbs giving up the ghost.. horizontal keyed shaft 1b diameter... it attaches directly to a vacuum unit (leaves) with an impeller with the same sized hole (of course). Every 5 hp engine Ibve found is supplied with a 3/4b shaft... still searching for a 1b shaft engine but Ibm wondering if I could make a sleeve with a 1/8b wall thickness that I could use... I understand Ibd need a bthickerb key and that not be a big deal to make... what do you guys think about the sleeve... I could probably find a section of black pipe with close dimensions and make one... top speed is 3600 rpm at the shaft I think... think itbs doable ?? OR does anyone know of a manufactured shaft bsleeveb that I can buy ?? thanks ]John _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 6 10:09:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C7C25883EF for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:09:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wm0-f49.google.com (mail-wm0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FDA25891BD for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:40:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by wmll128 with SMTP id l128so45636991wml.0 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2015 08:41:24 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=oZQ8ZH+3UZ0SivX9u9vWiDKyyXWUHaVtpB9ZpsTWBtE=; b=ZbNVra4yc1anWzShkQ1yOGBcl12euyUYAHNqpzMYoohUGXUgzUEer4BtA2P46dGn52 g0ETXdb859tpsMfReTMZEBXTElXJZQXJm1tQXN3c8f7b3s5jde1y2T2OE27Eat46vhKD XuKV8hvDy6a1MysEueHHdgYNFP9WA6cU+xQygIfqRQm8ZeNPD5zdo3n/BsWr477ykqwJ zix2S7AS2QG0T/O9IdsehLxd1SuezO+ERMbMHqNgj6a/MHZ2l5GQIKdr5wkJUQErvunt zTRipUEsiYtJTT1ot6JSuSCYgfIGGGEleNTWdO3HwVE/cBPnsrXmOi37CWfvwPpnGp3/ r5pA== l79mr11782053wmd.95.1446828084596; Fri, 06 Nov 2015 08:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.220.72 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Nov 2015 08:41:24 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:41:24 -0600 From: John Innis To: john niolon Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] small engine shaft mismatch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.amazon.com/Shaft-Adapter-Sleeve-Predator-Pulley/dp/B00T6V3TS4 On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:07 AM, john niolon wrote: > Good Morning Group... > > hereb s a thinking project for you this a.m. > > I have a 5hp Tecumseh engine thatb s giving up the ghost.. horizontal keyed > shaft 1b diameter... it attaches directly to a vacuum unit (leaves) with > an > impeller with the same sized hole (of course). > > Every 5 hp engine Ib ve found is supplied with a 3/4b shaft... still > searching for a 1b shaft engine but Ib m wondering if I could make a > sleeve > with a 1/8b wall thickness that I could use... I understand Ib d need a > b thickerb key and that not be a big deal to make... what do you guys > think about the sleeve... I could probably find a section of black pipe > with > close dimensions and make one... > > top speed is 3600 rpm at the shaft I think... > > think itb s doable ?? OR does anyone know of a manufactured shaft > b sleeveb that I can buy ?? > > thanks > ]John > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 6 10:25:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0B725887CD for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:25:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f177.google.com (mail-ig0-f177.google.com [209.85.213.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDB525885FA for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:04:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by igpw7 with SMTP id w7so41870911igp.0 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2015 09:05:46 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0cciNwiu6WHrXUX2rzCMn6E3dUCa5ntFcSHH0b0kJ1U=; b=CqAEjBiHZM85A5Da654JDuZyvdmsW5Hot2r0nqoAL+pHaQjdE2slksopOGZNe/M+rY IuRJ0GgqzkSzk7bU/x53RTlMCv8xYy+rFRbpWBpuXQNOSLUWXrY0wDM2Mp6boBjv4tw6 MyD5boJaKvElmR2biJ4rlvPrcU/c8SJDab2w7O+xAjIZ6a5e060wZUS7ZpbBKjf81m6I glwUn+UUhcYciTA6EHnVoDeslCbPtKsZTagDpv/XmvMXT+RSS5oncA0J3HnO4PKtCDXy SRl9PtnAHhj8fQ4kIyPK6qbDjFOFXK3e210BaU8QU0sTo4XniREYN2HiYpXbVV15IZAE VtEw== c9mr9628133igo.23.1446829546070; Fri, 06 Nov 2015 09:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.227.165 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:05:46 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 12:05:46 -0500 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: john niolon Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] small engine shaft mismatch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Like this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/380780662478?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82 or this? http://www.zoro.com/dayton-bushing-reducer-pk3-2x775/i/G0315445/ -- Jeff On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 11:07 AM, john niolon wrote: > Good Morning Group... > > hereb s a thinking project for you this a.m. > > I have a 5hp Tecumseh engine thatb s giving up the ghost.. horizontal keyed > shaft 1b diameter... it attaches directly to a vacuum unit (leaves) with an > impeller with the same sized hole (of course). > > Every 5 hp engine Ib ve found is supplied with a 3/4b shaft... still > searching for a 1b shaft engine but Ib m wondering if I could make a sleeve > with a 1/8b wall thickness that I could use... I understand Ib d need a > b thickerb key and that not be a big deal to make... what do you guys > think about the sleeve... I could probably find a section of black pipe with > close dimensions and make one... > > top speed is 3600 rpm at the shaft I think... > > think itb s doable ?? OR does anyone know of a manufactured shaft > b sleeveb that I can buy ?? > > thanks > ]John > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 6 14:13:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF05B2587B31 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:13:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9DD2587833 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:56:32 -0700 (MST) s=s1024; t=1446843449; bh=c0B+Ab8ds4SrWNv84Na5y3aJ7W8yoyKh5OsjPszuEbM=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=fzLbrwwhjzDSK1KWnegkA3rn3A3krphmkxi1GI3zxlKJTPjxbIgJ8T7ksmWsq62U7DFskArKirxusanzNrOfq3klGfoPSS9AcMYYOSvAZFqbdS7Fsg8h3pSPumJ1j+Rke7y+nefo72bfoVFMHyQatuj0h9q9PohNwJdH4LiqVO4= Received: from [216.39.60.173] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2015 20:57:29 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.117] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2015 20:57:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2015 20:57:29 -0000 qL3AFRT5a_6EDDA8BIAc1DCSZ24mZpKNVsAHmAXqnN0w352WgFxdSeiB2lF0 pFAP43xmNA_maNJsj9Aw79EDXz77nSF4IEUYV1Qq7pSuRpcL8CBtufxyly9N XVMGk5pis1EHxSum3PKGYemLa_mEsiWZ63ev94.EFF0OE58Gj3QPfCxowjmK Ha3G29gN63Lm6__nTLhqpNMYswVrf4b6aHFA5AaXvjEYRRvUKJ35WVPGEsEY GTLLrLNBjBdAXIWadV5VE5198S3I3qN_aAZ.cAlwR8a802230UrjoInz42PB 1Fw6VQdwpVFeqS_SAowDGktRJ_luOVvdJCbAwNXp4B_5T41ycbpWUuC199z5 BpH6SfA0ZuoMatUmbl6Y2MbyvC8WkYQSHBfgcXrOAcb7snGUC9hDIGMcqzYf RkETyrZ4_pG1UGrXryArJ0H6RcVd15ONCnomjwDFRkFweq0tw6PcDnDAulog VX1Mnmjw- From: "john niolon" To: "Jeff Scarbrough" , "shop-talk" References: Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:57:24 -0600 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] small engine shaft mismatch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net thanks Jeff and John.... that was exacterly what I was looking for but never googled 'sleeve' we tried to make one today but didn't have the precision we needed (old lathe and dummy operators) Just ordered it and on my way to H.F. for the engine... thanks John -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Scarbrough Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 11:05 AM To: john niolon Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] small engine shaft mismatch Like this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/380780662478?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82 or this? http://www.zoro.com/dayton-bushing-reducer-pk3-2x775/i/G0315445/ -- Jeff On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 11:07 AM, john niolon wrote: > Good Morning Group... > > hereb s a thinking project for you this a.m. > > I have a 5hp Tecumseh engine thatb s giving up the ghost.. horizontal > keyed > shaft 1b diameter... it attaches directly to a vacuum unit (leaves) with > an > impeller with the same sized hole (of course). > > Every 5 hp engine Ib ve found is supplied with a 3/4b shaft... still > searching for a 1b shaft engine but Ib m wondering if I could make a > sleeve > with a 1/8b wall thickness that I could use... I understand Ib d need a > b thickerb key and that not be a big deal to make... what do you > guys > think about the sleeve... I could probably find a section of black pipe > with > close dimensions and make one... > > top speed is 3600 rpm at the shaft I think... > > think itb s doable ?? OR does anyone know of a manufactured shaft > b sleeveb that I can buy ?? > > thanks > ]John > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 7 10:39:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE462587790 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2015 10:39:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.158.185.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07F52587C5E for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2015 10:11:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (99-7-68-55.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.7.68.55]) by nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.35.0 64bit (built Mar 31 2015)) with ESMTPSA id <0NXG002QOFS2RY30@nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 17:12:03 +0000 (GMT) definitions=2015-11-07_10:,, signatures=0 kscore.is_bulkscore=0 kscore.compositescore=1 compositescore=0.9 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 kscore.is_spamscore=0 rbsscore=0 spamscore=0 urlsuspectscore=0.9 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1510090000 definitions=main-1511070314 From: Robert nogueira Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 11:12:01 -0600 To: Shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Gorilla gluing tile Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've got a ceramic tile floor which has a could of loose tiles. Under the tile is Ditra membrane. I've put off doing a repair because cleaning out the old thin set from the Ditra is a messy pain not to mention mixing the new thin set. The other day I saw where some one used Gorilla glue to replace a loose tile. My experience with gorilla glue leads me to believe that it might work very well to hold a ceramic floor tile in place. Anyone tried this.? Any thoughts on how it might work out? Bob _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 7 13:56:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F102587B31 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2015 13:56:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360ED2587903 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2015 13:40:35 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ZuP8RgqohzdRhHvylDeEsSLcYnu0Plq5LS/2q8/XqO5W4l7kLnba984TGaLTJvCp; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.9.216] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvAIh-0005Zx-AE; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 15:41:27 -0500 To: Robert nogueira , Shop-talk References: <713C3365-3C43-4306-9C8A-E26D710023D5@me.com> From: Brian Kemp Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 12:40:17 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gorilla gluing tile Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Bob - I'd stay with a good thinset instead of glue. You don't need to clean the old thinset out of the squares of the Ditra. You just need to the the stuff above the surface. If the old thinset in the membrane is still solid, the new thinset can adhere to it and you don't need to get it all out. I would try some coarse sandpaper in a palm sander to remove all the thinset above the top of the Ditra. It will eat the sandpaper quickly, but should work. You need a solid base for the tile. If the Gorilla glue has any flex, your grout will quickly fail. You may want to try your question at http://www.johnbridge.com/ which is all about tile. Lots of very helpful tile information in their forum. If you do try the Gorilla glue or plaything else that works well, please let me know how it goes. My kitchen has a loose tile I need to address one of these days. It doesn't have a proper base and I have very energetic kids. Brian On 11/7/2015 9:12 AM, Robert nogueira wrote: > I've got a ceramic tile floor which has a could of loose tiles. Under the > tile is Ditra membrane. I've put off doing a repair because cleaning out the > old thin set from the Ditra is a messy pain not to mention mixing the new > thin set. > The other day I saw where some one used Gorilla glue to replace a loose tile. > My experience with gorilla glue leads me to believe that it might work very > well to hold a ceramic floor tile in place. > Anyone tried this.? Any thoughts on how it might work out? > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 16 19:23:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24039258546B for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:23:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm41-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm41-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.219]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4298825851F3 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:18:31 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1447726775; bh=audPw59AMfwb/H57C1qUUhLkkWeVsYeC1qLqGKhIDHw=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=YRT2OpXUZg+VNM/+kJm1ZITTRA/u31ikLWi1hbmCxcU91u0zAr06NunFhjv2Ckb+kxNsLo0PPi8CkHukySKLp1bVeB49TRxY+EGoYLJN49n1aYOtlfvIIzSfTE6jEUXeMhxtBKvm2g1JzG2USZvjdV05otb9L5GqTw/JSECbfejhPMiEgBlDnMz+9Fz2HiDZRFft1UWIiSnsHV196PA9ZB0MZ+fYaCN4/GAJCzPqBmVZw315BnaCLKgYGDLdi9QSnkbr9bbi/j8cQ/fEAvxtUNzQNSWi8O3YnqfH4JZLa8bhd4c6GtiCKZGhpyoQ1RrTX8TGIvplUDCLoPfE+aUMtA== Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm41.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2015 02:19:35 -0000 Received: from [98.138.100.102] by nm41.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2015 02:16:35 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.155] by tm101.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2015 02:16:35 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.159] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2015 02:16:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2015 02:16:35 -0000 .vlvMIcq.VRNSSYvjVCfAmNAu6iOyyi207mVRdHUnQHbFHyIMja4PR0AkstT 4LxaBk5NJpI4NPu8Hha.jY6ced4Kr9HWIFfCQ0xiTrFrlvukLItA1im3ss2e BUySjT5KXN_WgltX9RWnd4SW_okyihfIvYwx5L.ojctvfAvr10DLC_g2_Snx Css67Z2MFbRSNYBm792MKbbl56tygRMA6Q9oWo14Ubs7IZLeJhIqc8tM85.O 0RhiCgZQIHeS2VfZ37qrBfO4rWmxA3ooA5SpQMd4oqVYJQ0vd_Lq6iZQt5qe ecNuEhmpZ8LAdhRWGTiZPfXwlN4oovFA6M.oYHGkVxbyzxe4K2MiP35dxwcY VXeqk35joVmVYkSn8vIHLlVzCDWrTp0dqSGaG50838QxHdmjNzrOmIIsLaSA aYXt1fZZHm_QuVXu7U0Y._jGqJq9o6zoDHaoB8cOa2RMvl2j2yev6Zhdgb5g IcsahEqDa2.JcXngv1sdENAs0bdk6WJ4m6oHJyGS4vnfxY5KvQrU- To: Shop Talk From: john Mitchell Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:16:39 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 Subject: [Shop-talk] Under hood LED work light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm in the market for one of those LED work light bars that hangs across beneath the hood of your vehicle. I'm thinking that one that plugs in would be better than rechargeable. I'd appreciate any recommendations. Thanks very much, John Mitchell _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 16 20:39:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C8242585D3F for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 20:39:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BAY004-OMC1S9.hotmail.com (bay004-omc1s9.hotmail.com [65.54.190.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BAD258548F for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 20:30:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.54.190.61]) by BAY004-OMC1S9.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:31:42 -0800 Received: from BN3PR15MB0739.namprd15.prod.outlook.com (10.165.79.153) by BN3PR15MB0737.namprd15.prod.outlook.com (10.165.79.151) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.325.17; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 03:31:41 +0000 Received: from BN3PR15MB0739.namprd15.prod.outlook.com ([10.165.79.153]) by BN3PR15MB0739.namprd15.prod.outlook.com ([10.165.79.153]) with mapi id 15.01.0325.019; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 03:31:41 +0000 From: PJ McGarvey To: john Mitchell , Shop Talk Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] Under hood LED work light Thread-Index: AQHRIN8Qr43pKtYk2ESDksA2T8cU9J6fjKYn Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 03:31:41 +0000 References: <564A8E07.202@snet.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US header.d=none;snet.net; dmarc=none action=none header.from=hotmail.com; x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [0jgmS+zfYxMlC6zB3/UpAJ1tLuZXSWMz] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; BN3PR15MB0737; 23:/CpHC99McLlINPCgorLJzwzV+/q6PgkJLA1OoVvHW0xoknkwD+/pTOPaalfIemdD0P88JuKyZsVYLpoI2wYFnPWtFhji1SktILJQ5YBLbUH6QGMZLZTghdfkCDFFKdOrz+1wtboqLBfBpW38oylsXzTah/kB8SsovjIAON3e3jbM0TSygjU7BV6oZQG8kZ4s1/oUFUN+LMudgLdddw6FiQ==; 5:ORIca+YkMlKSN1RVlxxUr79PuENOs4iM6qDGf6HbWGrDCJHcpY6PjpDQSKAQOcRdN3O9C3B5UBhX/PvUDpddZyB6goKrjMd8mBmkhi0hfYEkVD6McyQ5W/zO10ouUqm1UmeaaVnZ4msqsFPq/z8rIA==; 24:RMUS+I1CQsFjhzREJ7Ioq5m0WdUwYSdF6cUetbZOhvEVxfhEX2V+K4Z79DrxG/g17BXfpfTajQekNbWdj6qxDFuHgdqGKN004PPbxBTiBvA=; 20:4Tw1+c7rCCRLkEysD1vuFb537wawKqM+UCLnPyWv2aL22h7QwbPHdeLdoe+aBG26plbc+/Jr1vRGEoQMAACZgg== x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(42139001); SRVR:BN3PR15MB0737; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(81415001)(82015046); SRVR:BN3PR15MB0737; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BN3PR15MB0737; x-forefront-prvs: 07630F72AD x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(7070004)(98900002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1901; SCL:1; SRVR:BN3PR15MB0737; H:BN3PR15MB0739.namprd15.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM FILETIME=[7A7E8AF0:01D120E8] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Under hood LED work light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I use mine alot, even under the car. The "arms" that also grab under the hood also become "legs" to stand on the ground. Ive even hung it vertically when i need tons of light somewhere. Then the light itself rotates and locks. Nice long cord, I get tired of cordless stuff that never lasts. It's fluorescent but still works great after a few years of use, fine in the cold, seems pretty well made. Search amazon for ATD Tools 80050 30W Underhood Light ________________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of john Mitchell Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:16:39 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Under hood LED work light I'm in the market for one of those LED work light bars that hangs across beneath the hood of your vehicle. I'm thinking that one that plugs in would be better than rechargeable. I'd appreciate any recommendations. Thanks very much, John Mitchell _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 17 08:08:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5D72585B67 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 08:08:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CA525850CA for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 08:05:35 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1447772800; bh=J1dusg54w1GkpodGMPJeYCE8jJEt/EuW3UYWfzPsjco=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=NrM0i0QVSqHLX4EGug4Weic2xozs1VcGs090WlEwYPswEFrL9U2gIiwuHJYEmRYo08IP9mYb5WjM0QS8oqbqMGDCdDWUw/8b0IoQfkARcnfYGFjn0DRXTKNryH66pcagRBhPZkOdKynj1c8Pm6UwZwtZhxF2qBun9fbA7jZT8FrHTWZ7UUYjP3+2dS9z876cj6T9m1dz00S/fl5ITIp2icgD7kNltTSiHGVlnB7b5on4TTZhWjb5NMNHJcUzecCU8Gr1iuR0kf7jlqmGCaZk1k/JRsptf98D59K43P4+BHk3DKWQlQZfbfuwdQZ0Qch/sfVsPHWh62urd4w0NS/dgQ== Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2015 15:06:40 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.61] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2015 15:06:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp212.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2015 15:06:40 -0000 am96wQAhQfH_8h6l_pzgb3krczeEmoT89xphUzj7.7sVjMlJI.tz_2OVqw1D FIUpDZZnhV97iC13kCgE2ORB6roA0IlaH8L3VXXgZ717Azj.SJK5dMrT18QL I0ksNoZROR.cOWYJ3RxgijuCErK4VGnXA7UTxgb7i.5SCMh8SzQYNJGfQggV RQM1V5UrpfJ4h4Ym9pO2B9vz.QbfWxXrSyk0be0rN38KwtQZ0ETkSvCGaVAu 2KPbKX0YBWEGX.KZW7Se6cwY66SCjjoPyadQMdzvaDoewGTJ1hRKa2MF8q6r ff5TBCDKHSDMd7toS6uvzrb5BosB1qGSGFkY0JRANHCVReIATdEx3MUwz2A5 2QqzCkhjR7IIUK6NDyHaSrqwodSAGlvpxstxEvhhGH66MHuqCN.yF58k9C0B jwPoMCd8O3YJAN4N67qF6nOJX57VLcCRx2dizmMs0rY2H1ABGKLGcWn.kS4E fxmMRfYW3mJ0T8_8EXAkF6g10_DlPrf1qLFhgsFCxHlQtKX.uOOQPR3EUNNk - To: john Mitchell , Shop Talk From: Dirtbeard Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 07:06:16 -0800 References: <564A8E07.202@snet.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Under hood LED work light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I also simply replaced the bulb in my regular trouble light with a 60 watt equivalent LED and it has worked great (cooler, not impact sensitive, glare not bad, plenty bright, etc.) best, des (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: "john Mitchell" Sent: b11/b16/b2015 6:24 PM To: "Shop Talk" Subject: [Shop-talk] Under hood LED work light I'm in the market for one of those LED work light bars that hangs across beneath the hood of your vehicle. I'm thinking that one that plugs in would be better than rechargeable. I'd appreciate any recommendations. Thanks very much, John Mitchell _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 17 09:07:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE41E2585900 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 09:07:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qopa.pair.com (qopa.pair.com [209.68.5.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6EF2584BB9 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 09:06:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from AMILAPTOP3 (pool-72-65-56-81.bflony.fios.verizon.net [72.65.56.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by qopa.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49652F1DF0; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:07:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Tony Vaccaro" To: "'john Mitchell'" , "Shop Talk" References: <564A8E07.202@snet.net> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:07:37 -0500 Thread-Index: AQHRIN8UIHN68oGNEEGFSeFzJLnSkJ6gYfsA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Under hood LED work light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have been using this light for the last 2 years. Really great and it is almost indestructible. Not LED but it works fantastic. Best work light I have ever owned and I have owned lots. Got is on Amazon Bayco SL-825 13-Watt Fluorescent Work Light with 40-Feet Cord Reel by Bayco Tony -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john Mitchell Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:17 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Under hood LED work light I'm in the market for one of those LED work light bars that hangs across beneath the hood of your vehicle. I'm thinking that one that plugs in would be better than rechargeable. I'd appreciate any recommendations. Thanks very much, John Mitchell _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tvacc@lotusowners.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 17 09:23:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B332585CEC for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 09:23:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8592825859F5 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 09:23:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-17v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.113]) by resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id igQC1r0042TL4Rh01gQRAA; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 16:24:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([73.47.127.174]) by resomta-ch2-17v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id igPu1r00V3lta6101gPvye; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 16:23:55 +0000 To: Shop Talk References: <564A8E07.202@snet.net> <735728.73657.bm@smtp212.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: "Peter J. Thomas" Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:23:52 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 s=q20140121; t=1447777465; bh=GdSFAGIKCYMphs7dhbbnHL6+m5IrFehLbvOJEWRmHyY=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=AADCcWcYCrzGkbSbMDIPZvXTghIDOrwxj7uMuGEcfcoqzcetmyGte2NslJKD7t7eZ 1gf1g+udkjDXqMZ0G/ihnqKYVrXLzY5IX5JKUSgsu33Lj9qYO4EVCb70ozjYhdzWM/ woH5xDIBVLxjjBbmXxFEkDDOpuIAPp8fLpy+kFpXwSKNujT4iuYklwVDs3aPqI2Yik vip4efv7ohQGvexbGAIftGGf9bN14X2/V/YcrHTkj9H5GBXwQ+yixe1si1IqjLOWj3 VTF88O91mz9aV9rxam18TJUT5kCvpq9T/jWwyX/z4+N3E2fWdy62e+8vSdJBjIE4// eLxBSz0vJojAw== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Under hood LED work light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/17/2015 10:06 AM, Dirtbeard wrote: > I also simply replaced the bulb in my regular trouble light with a 60 watt > equivalent LED and it has worked great (cooler, not impact sensitive, glare > not bad, plenty bright, etc.) > > best, > > des (mobile) > Ditto. I have two standard drop lights, one for above and one for below, with Cree 4 flow bulbs. The Cree bulbs are plastic with vents so light weight and shock resistant. Peter T. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 17 10:26:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DBF258516E for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 10:26:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BFB25850BB for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 10:26:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 09:27:49 -0800 id 00000000002800AD.00000000564B6395.000002FF References: <564A8E07.202@snet.net> <735728.73657.bm@smtp212.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <564B5498.4050204@comcast.net> To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: John Miller Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 09:27:43 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Under hood LED work light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Ditto. I have two standard drop lights, one for above and one for > below, with Cree 4 flow bulbs. The Cree bulbs are plastic with vents so > light weight and shock resistant. Yeah, it's worked well for me too. Cheap, easy, easily serviced. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 18 13:05:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4C0258558A for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:05:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490A625853DA for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:05:25 -0700 (MST) s=s1024; t=1447877190; bh=0yrcgdrIqhN5Zld1/VWasvHf6yeMtR9qrBh7fYcnUJo=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=2em1oWGqpgCLbywb9OFZXI1A6HXWztWzIAQsBEAZNkWGrRq5S15go2pY/e+T2Wan2rcHkPrBxAftGmKtLprlJ8vwFB+QJvyX1km16jX+impIiuRshZO3Gs65N8E8Rr7ua9jtM8CrXBveWyD/qKUoj/Kk6SmpOuijRUWTk77f/eI= Received: from [216.39.60.168] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2015 20:06:30 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.147] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2015 20:06:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2015 20:06:30 -0000 JuwL9Th7g9blq0EaWqvDQDkkjOidw96ZvkiTS1WC6G5PInYkiCoCmLHJ0b0t aZAYDkgG.n6w72WHMcHrPmW5TVEAr7ajjijp64E0cwGRsTKiMWA9TkjdQgpI uv3z4StF1qlldBUI7DZwmoa3mQU1Cs.JBQGr.TIdUJgP1zQt.SLjRgEx0EOf C_6ttbRtMwfTIbLn9gsNimt2Kh6M5VymZWc0kJSBlqkvjIuPXO4VExtOwR3l zJWzfL46qmGBVgTGYm580lfaRUJ5b1ZFEn6xPoXGYpu5LRuevzClKhGZzQHz FDaK9OfBLuogEy_nwybnQZWe_93Hlg1os8ler4EDPDx6MNjaDLK1efwa.hDq KFyGD9XBaYcSjnatfCwybcEb_zpX2jkcu06a4drjyCeGofsVbxk7NHf6A4v8 96m2OgIARDP5guJIhJO6_5gNtkR.R9G3YXBvUROzmcLxRSu2FXi.PaM9itdm KScC1_Q-- From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:06:31 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] hydraulic oil filters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net well itbs time to change hydraulic fluid on my ZTR... Gravely zt hd52. Ibm planning on going full synthetic . itbs what Gravely recommends... of course they recommend THEIR filters, but Ibm partial to Wix or Napa gold or platinum for all my oil filters... but Ibm not up on hydraulic stuff (itbs all oil but itbs different, isnbt it ??) any recommendations on brands ... they spec a 25 micron filter on theirs. Itbs a 5K lawnmower and I donbt want to cheap out on a filter... not looking for a FRAM or Walmart substitute... tia john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 19 09:01:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975D1258628C for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:01:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io0-f174.google.com (mail-io0-f174.google.com [209.85.223.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799D82584D32 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 08:56:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by ioir85 with SMTP id r85so93463720ioi.1 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:57:59 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=qvLlmqx5WthShoeMoIGR5DYX9YNinodHjoOohmGZKCs=; b=ntgFn/TyAxBrzvc7J55z3S+XZFPRX+oHY0xAfGsqmZntP10WAL+i37dGAR2/qVKiVc geZ+KZled51FTYj2mutCwdFPPbTureuaSQZDNMVe1ujcFSGrq7vlUEi45GxR9Nccj7Ik C3QlmlKgBPNU0EkJH5pvQBHyJWzmW88hMKq1oOvrW8i/Vc0ZtOnaK+XKWwA2Fa7vVbW0 JWF++hlRTaRkIlFzLM0q8m1cAP1t8NKLYs6UlEASZyYMdkoyLY6uDlmY6uQ0sG85rif6 1Uk8Ln6nQ9vhKatPsD+sY8V16EntSJBnlY89mQ1Ioy5r7qOc5FIiGMMwcbqTbAw04cNV 9LTA== 16mr10878199ioq.119.1447948679878; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.227.165 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:57:59 -0800 (PST) References: <3AD7517CCF7045F793FAFC8BC8CC355A@UserPC> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:57:59 -0500 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: john niolon Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] hydraulic oil filters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Putting on my engineering hat: What's the expected cost of a substitute filter? Looks like the correct filter is available for $15 or less, including shipping. Is your anticipated savings worth taking a chance of the incorrect filter spec? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:06 PM, john niolon wrote: > well itb s time to change hydraulic fluid on my ZTR... Gravely zt hd52. > Ib m planning on going full synthetic . itb s what Gravely recommends... > of course they recommend THEIR filters, but Ib m partial to Wix or Napa gold > or platinum for all my oil filters... but Ib m not up on hydraulic stuff > (itb s all oil but itb s different, isnb t it ??) > > any recommendations on brands ... they spec a 25 micron filter on theirs. > Itb s a 5K lawnmower and I donb t want to cheap out on a filter... not > looking for a FRAM or Walmart substitute... > > tia > > john > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 07:34:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A513258793F for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 07:34:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21A125876AE for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 07:33:04 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:07:27 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 11/25/2015 09:07:30, Serialize complete at 11/25/2015 09:07:30 Subject: [Shop-talk] Buying a new compressor of just the 'compressor'? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net First, Happy T'day to all the US folk here. For your not in the US, have a great day as well. On to the question... I have a compressor that I have been using for about 20 years now (wow, has it really been that long?) Recently, the compressor is leaking some oil. So I know a replacement is coming up. My question, is it better to replace the whole unit, or just the compressor pump? I was leaning to the whole unit just to avoid any issues with rusted tanks, etc. Also, I could sell the old one to someone who really needs one and is willing to take the time to fix it for a low price. So, if you were buying a new compressor, what one would you go for under $2000? (240v of course.) Thanks. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 10:43:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5AB2587AE4 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:43:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f53.google.com (mail-qg0-f53.google.com [209.85.192.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51C82585705 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:43:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by qgea14 with SMTP id a14so37265894qge.0 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:44:30 -0800 (PST) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date :to:mime-version; bh=swBY2ITGjk0ffeRkDazOZmwZA5kczsRrvaej1iNqvSw=; b=I41miDDuWvy8u0eq71tHXOeTztDOzesbbtzALpFlvTekjLzk6XHbBJ9gwMuGWFBj// n6kLas6nIK+YFBLZigPLndk9ONSeY/sJnhg4ticr3HRjN5jAnzpTRB+QSpPeA3WJJgoo PJBH+Ny9LTXF74fNjwgv8UB/6rN8TUY13+pTbCW/qoaGOJOo9ZJFh9B6fz8BI4XpkVfw oWjFg5pohBASq6GyaQdK6IjQH0wK7nPqZGJpLsgftT54On5nOxyTph1oh1aJMpuoEa4D sfZY9lwzcpB4dtXlM251MHjWFXIKRnvXPZyGNtBDdIZi2sKgnuwmtLaj2MEpPrJpPEzp AK6A== b204mr43835319qhc.63.1448473470760; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.126] (ool-457e068c.dyn.optonline.net. [69.126.6.140]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s65sm5698174qhb.39.2015.11.25.09.44.29 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:44:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 12:44:28 -0500 To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My cousin just asked me to try to repair a wooden giraffe carving he purchased many years ago in Africa. The statue (I think it is about 1 ft tall) fell and broke into three pieces: the bottom of the neck snapped off from the body and the body snapped off from the base. Ibm game to give it a try, but stuck trying to figure out how to excerpt proper clamping force on the two joints, especially the neck joint. Are the special clamps that might do the trick, or special tricks that anyone knows? Thanks, _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 11:11:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28FE2587B4F for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:11:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E5025876AA for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:11:01 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1448475132; bh=0DdkcRfeXDMt3flKKeiIyOwNfvMD7HiapYqsLt6EPgA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=NR817LUJG7kmgP2ltFwjL2SPB9hZhGnWDKjIW3c5uOme4kIKe3Gj6JROExIlL198A/wrR3pHY3USN6tchM7jSM58yubBsLOLKzu5kZdyZVjY29WpI0JwQHKRQElDGGgoDzXUJ+8nImPFCaDHSlfQIJWvnIVE6JxN6CBu1eOWROY/IGajiTAot0+Y1AgMtZjWzeBzrIo+gBT68z2in8cdpM41po3VuD8Ar9Tmor4aNXNRzMLEpww3QykxhrzEZER9oqWyYLyfP1gRgQ2gGZ3ktp3eUhzOqjQAHJOG8GAgBCXpEPgNSnxBHpS3hnZlU5hdWCYGfS767pk88BVE5ulhhQ== Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2015 18:12:12 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.173] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2015 18:12:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2015 18:12:12 -0000 s0VF_777kTBjeRRDJ9277GvKlwYM20Ywc.cEnvrr6Be59DKjH2BDXH5dncjzO8XI2nhh0iSGesXd criNaEsxANuIapYvB2aXTDml.R0Jd6bFNc8wq6rxNh0qvFy2RJNlRIkqEDxwWmMUqASxzuFFsVtD QfCGFcqxi6U.D2GuJazdAm5VDp_uxMeLfZf3kkCN9W6.QtU5kaeOiPhlVZdlva3xrzEjIno_qqLh QFVwSVWOzSiJHFJADRzHMKmiaD5gP571_fMJqZyFP2FdMz51.ZkEj7Nkw859MHXvANQ_hwf7m7Ls TxMJdKwtEoZ1khXvgzTT3pnd6g4Pthx5uCZUNGJVqvQt6jGy0FPZj9JDdbVA9S0bMw8D4s5At1bC FPKba8tlEe5EYy9s.QYpMF99rQEz7BMGA6VjEPRodLIFuj5KHWXc0rGNWQdJUHLbHQXaWfeKuWbW JMhLU3Fkp6mjnphNfNL23mKA- Received: by 98.138.101.166; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 18:12:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 18:12:11 +0000 (UTC) From: Dwade Reinsch To: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com>, Shop Talk References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I often use blue painter's tape to hold small things together while glue dries. Just be careful to not let lots of glue come out of the joint and glue to the tape. DwadeWylie, TX From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> To: Shop Talk Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:44 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape My cousin just asked me to try to repair a wooden giraffe carving he purchased many years ago in Africa.B The statue (I think it is about 1 ft tall) fell and broke into three pieces: the bottom of the neck snapped off from the body and the body snapped off from the base.B Ibm game to give it a try, but stuck trying to figure out how to excerpt proper clamping force on the two joints, especially the neck joint. Are the special clamps that might do the trick, or special tricks that anyone knows? Thanks, _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dreinsch@swbell.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 11:19:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 443FD2587A90 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:19:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F0C2587A67 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:19:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.101]) by resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id luLx1r0072Bo0NV01uLxiX; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 18:20:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([73.47.127.174]) by resomta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id luLx1r0063lta6101uLxRW; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 18:20:57 +0000 To: Shop Talk References: From: "Peter J. Thomas" Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:21:03 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 s=q20140121; t=1448475657; bh=Bw2o3OTK8BDaTCBPUal6wrwemme0M7L97W+fjBtre50=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=FomW9PV7sjCVx1EvFbq8LuZu/gHj4Ybb3VwdhGIHmVNn6bDmooHn83OpP2HPdHHUg 1prOvpH0Rn6VGWZWqIuWZ8ec3JPmHgACMQ6E0BstG2K4r2G5aU/046nWHPkukfb/ya 7ITME/J55DqtAi6I5mcHChag5e6JmkwyLz0uouztI/fqhvLZ1Mqfx0rpv8ENUxRIQ4 +L3d9B6Cak3igs4Bp7ZHwynv/uBmbLHH5HLFwjnSr2zPSWRnYFV474m0OAsNkC3vnk NXEtvf2/rD5eoNzjSCk/1OZrte1hmRK5fQkwj0eFnuXpT75HcBTdh/OhyCjN6O8kcG pEtsdNP2gW/uA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/25/2015 12:44 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > My cousin just asked me to try to repair a wooden giraffe carving he purchased > many years ago in Africa. The statue (I think it is about 1 ft tall) fell and > broke into three pieces: the bottom of the neck snapped off from the body and > the body snapped off from the base. Ibm game to give it a try, but stuck > trying to figure out how to excerpt proper clamping force on the two joints, > especially the neck joint. Are the special clamps that might do the trick, or > special tricks that anyone knows? Dowels and centering point. Something like: http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/153552/8pc-Dowel-Tenon-Center-Set.aspx?gclid=CKvLrpqYrMkCFUYWHwodgbAFDQ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 11:25:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A432587B53 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:25:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CBF2587ABC for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:25:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.228]) by resqmta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id luRc1r00C4vw8ds01uSsdG; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 18:26:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([73.47.127.174]) by resomta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id luSr1r0093lta6101uSrry; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 18:26:52 +0000 To: Shop Talk References: <5655FC0F.9060403@comcast.net> From: "Peter J. Thomas" Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:26:57 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 s=q20140121; t=1448476012; bh=VZYIh3aEMtZB6lXovSBmbLwf5kzQb/SfxxofnlyeVp8=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=mnCyBUs2byuRSjy/tT7cdkPxos8qBhzumXk1Lgz17sWhmoatx/L6CYxMMESYhUF4T Y0ZzixX7F/DkmbMJ0DAz+OmwcfPWEGKNNvnpNoW7eUO4f/R1q7AmMZD6tT1IPK2c73 qEeiMve/1lRPCNO5oiYSBvxIBmRKPxXDuBDAHs5Xs4cLpNSPQYgvY9LpE7o7UlAA9c Fv7lvsBbWB/yj+cPMC0TRgFYCJnutQ1WrL6f4EX/zaOzDpUtXW1vZFCDPebhusu0iA dH13gdN218vicbFDFXemiYeH3G5Ia2z053sGVRf0u7gD1qhfvAHJD1C6U0DE5wqHig lbbJjoV4xmG5A== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/25/2015 1:21 PM, Peter J. Thomas wrote: > On 11/25/2015 12:44 PM, Jim Stone wrote: >> My cousin just asked me to try to repair a wooden giraffe carving he >> purchased >> many years ago in Africa. The statue (I think it is about 1 ft tall) >> fell and >> broke into three pieces: the bottom of the neck snapped off from the >> body and >> the body snapped off from the base. Ibm game to give it a try, but >> stuck >> trying to figure out how to excerpt proper clamping force on the two >> joints, >> especially the neck joint. Are the special clamps that might do the >> trick, or >> special tricks that anyone knows? > Dowels and centering point. Something like: > > http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/153552/8pc-Dowel-Tenon-Center-Set.aspx?gclid=CKvLrpqYrMkCFUYWHwodgbAFDQ > You could also use fast setting epoxy and just hold it together. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 11:34:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB8B2587B41 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:34:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC4S34.hotmail.com (blu004-omc4s34.hotmail.com [65.55.111.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F74F2587B29 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:33:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU402-EASDF2 ([65.55.111.135]) by BLU004-OMC4S34.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:35:07 -0800 To: "eric@megageek.com" , "shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net" From: Bill Gilroy Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:35:02 -0500 FILETIME=[01F6E4A0:01D127B0] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Buying a new compressor of just the 'compressor'? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I would get the whole unit. I think you are in NJ, plenty of moisture in the air. I have heard good thing about Eaton's, https://www.eatoncompressor.com/piston-compressors/industrial-series-5-10-hp But I do not have any personal experience with them. Sent from Outlook Mail for Windows 10 phone From: eric@megageek.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 9:35 AM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Buying a new compressor of just the 'compressor'? First, Happy T'day to all the US folk here. For your not in the US, have a great day as well. On to the question... I have a compressor that I have been using for about 20 years now (wow, has it really been that long?) Recently, the compressor is leaking some oil. So I know a replacement is coming up. My question, is it better to replace the whole unit, or just the compressor pump? I was leaning to the whole unit just to avoid any issues with rusted tanks, etc. Also, I could sell the old one to someone who really needs one and is willing to take the time to fix it for a low price. So, if you were buying a new compressor, what one would you go for under $2000? (240v of course.) Thanks. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bill.gilroy@outlook.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 14:03:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4002587991 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:03:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D992584C0D for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:59:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.104]) by resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id lx0f1r0032Fh1PH01x0fzi; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:00:39 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:601:101:5d86:9527:86ac:7b06:4e51] ([IPv6:2601:601:101:5d86:9527:86ac:7b06:4e51]) by resomta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id lx0d1r00c2NEvAr01x0eTH; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:00:39 +0000 To: Shop Talk References: From: Mike Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:00:29 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 s=q20140121; t=1448485239; bh=05bGNKf0MrTqXaYBJ7WUQLF7+uvFZhOjgNhHLe0plw8=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=uSrJCDW6HaCfPADZbw75LUC6gwRgO2yjKq3bJqPLTSeR8m21tf2AotSQKsImuEtsN 3QjuA03pJuuMOpGm0T3fA7QC9W7vTpb4qqAzj5aTcILkPgTmwis8GEg6o/rlRfZqDh 0cJbwZfqXN/SUhqrRCEirx6B5+UKukTlmCKCCX9luZP9n3pHfZoGWY1Jpdbfd9wWj2 N+XjRFeewB/V5cujN5sxVtfcytOpqSK3nRtqZFUtGbHZMD9j0n4mBNhZhUu+9VBo4o CIYRNQTOoJsI6X2ZM2jhA7CQyLX4nITgFuxHHFTUkn/yvS1aAxfLpZzKwbybi1ZcdH e18uYYAPI8c2w== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Depending on geometry and size, I have found rubber bands work well. Best to use many small ones instead of a few big ones, as the large ones will distort the structure at the joints. This goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway (!); the main thing is to let it dry completely Mike On 11/25/2015 9:44 AM, Jim Stone wrote: > My cousin just asked me to try to repair a wooden giraffe carving he purchased > many years ago in Africa. The statue (I think it is about 1 ft tall) fell and > broke into three pieces: the bottom of the neck snapped off from the body and > the body snapped off from the base. Ibm game to give it a try, but stuck > trying to figure out how to excerpt proper clamping force on the two joints, > especially the neck joint. Are the special clamps that might do the trick, or > special tricks that anyone knows? > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722@comcast.net > > -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 15:29:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72CDF2585CA9 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:29:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-5.talktalk.net (smtp-out-5.talktalk.net [62.24.128.249]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3C42585C62 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:29:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.0.138] ([146.255.108.178]) by c3 with smtp.talktalk.net id lyWc1r0013qykNi01yWcQq; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 22:30:36 +0000 a=/XBeyCtejVKYFexkYkr/fg==:117 a=/XBeyCtejVKYFexkYkr/fg==:17 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=QK4CeqGfHuRmdsMB2ccA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=86vEDSLhS-og_Q2kdjAA:9 a=ZiJY0K6e_R7IlIKL:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android References: <5656216D.8080304@comcast.net> From: Neil Sherry Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 22:30:34 +0000 To: Mike ,Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You could reinforce gluing with steel pins, suitably concealed On 25 November 2015 21:00:29 GMT+00:00, Mike wrote: >Depending on geometry and size, I have found rubber bands work well. >Best to use many small ones instead of a few big ones, as the large >ones >will distort the structure at the joints. This goes without saying, >but >I'll say it anyway (!); the main thing is to let it dry completely > >Mike > >On 11/25/2015 9:44 AM, Jim Stone wrote: >> My cousin just asked me to try to repair a wooden giraffe carving he >purchased >> many years ago in Africa. The statue (I think it is about 1 ft tall) >fell and >> broke into three pieces: the bottom of the neck snapped off from the >body and >> the body snapped off from the base. Ibm game to give it a try, but >stuck >> trying to figure out how to excerpt proper clamping force on the two >joints, >> especially the neck joint. Are the special clamps that might do the >trick, or >> special tricks that anyone knows? >> >> Thanks, >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722@comcast.net >> >> > >-- >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/neiljsherry@talktalk.net -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 16:10:14 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C12425876D2 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 16:10:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9B325845ED for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:52:49 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=et4oZm68/lbeDdSLNuKrYwBPbou652npcRhhy0DSeGENy1K61S7pw1ZB45gjigkk; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.46] (helo=elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1a1iwT-00060b-Ui; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:53:37 -0500 Received: from 172.6.12.219 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:53:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:53:37 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Brian Kemp To: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com>, Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I second the painter's tape for the neck. Apply glue and push it together. Wipe off any squeeze out then apply the tape to the neck. If the joint is rough enough that it doesn't slip, you may be able to put a thin rubber band or two hooked around a leg over the head. Test it first of course to make sure it is stable. If the body is heavy enough, the body to the base might only need gravity. I would probably do each part by itself and let the joint dry. It sounds like this is just decorative, so you don't need the structural strength of a table or chair. Brian -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> >Sent: Nov 25, 2015 9:44 AM >To: Shop Talk >Subject: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape > >My cousin just asked me to try to repair a wooden giraffe carving he purchased >many years ago in Africa. The statue (I think it is about 1 ft tall) fell and >broke into three pieces: the bottom of the neck snapped off from the body and >the body snapped off from the base. Ibm game to give it a try, but stuck >trying to figure out how to excerpt proper clamping force on the two joints, >especially the neck joint. Are the special clamps that might do the trick, or >special tricks that anyone knows? > >Thanks, >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 16:13:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307B025877FE for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 16:13:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f48.google.com (mail-qg0-f48.google.com [209.85.192.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9BD2586E98 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:56:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by qgea14 with SMTP id a14so43239170qge.0 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:57:28 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=27Y21lt667gExXxjX8tKLrLv3GT9HAlnJoblROBl4BM=; b=QPZmwhCp3x5FvgZq3nvDDN7qK593nRQosDlX+ig7hfdPIt/DSa1zXTMGZFWOwQYvHb n0L2zi5k6aW8mo05q0r66+ErDGugZ8f6WpwNvKvY8vpqNlfHNdmIB6y4h9Ge6qBkLpFq QHbCtf8xV6IVSUXVqC3Qgd7/faLIplW4bpLS2Zd0LYDi9Q1POmWZMkKKOIPiNRb51a/0 z52q5Wc3YWf5Eevp1LGlbxKhD5TZlA/wpIFMlbdXm5qYyLVItejYMFOzkHKPsTTaBen7 16fa2Gy9W8yjWHwY566AQZx6hik+ASWILozLVI3X+o3F1kGhNVbyU4f917alpok8z75o sjLA== j70mr41798555qge.100.1448492247887; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:57:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.126] (ool-457e068c.dyn.optonline.net. [69.126.6.140]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 6sm6200860qgf.34.2015.11.25.14.57.26 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:57:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:57:25 -0500 References: <31238779.1448492017974.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks guys. Lots of good suggestions. I am heading to my cousinbs house tomorrow and bring an assortment of glues, pins, tape and rubber bands, so I will see the giraffe then and make the final call on which of the methods will work best. I feel more confident of success than I did just a few hours ago! Happy Thanksgiving to everyone! Jim > On Nov 25, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: > > I second the painter's tape for the neck. Apply glue and push it together. Wipe off any squeeze out then apply the tape to the neck. If the joint is rough enough that it doesn't slip, you may be able to put a thin rubber band or two hooked around a leg over the head. Test it first of course to make sure it is stable. If the body is heavy enough, the body to the base might only need gravity. I would probably do each part by itself and let the joint dry. It sounds like this is just decorative, so you don't need the structural strength of a table or chair. > > Brian > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> >> Sent: Nov 25, 2015 9:44 AM >> To: Shop Talk >> Subject: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape >> >> My cousin just asked me to try to repair a wooden giraffe carving he purchased >> many years ago in Africa. The statue (I think it is about 1 ft tall) fell and >> broke into three pieces: the bottom of the neck snapped off from the body and >> the body snapped off from the base. Ibm game to give it a try, but stuck >> trying to figure out how to excerpt proper clamping force on the two joints, >> especially the neck joint. Are the special clamps that might do the trick, or >> special tricks that anyone knows? >> >> Thanks, >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 16:14:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9335C2587857 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 16:14:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01612258757E for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 16:01:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F0D42C05F for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 23:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.245]) by localhost (filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id QNmCbixJEPVe for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 23:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.35.44.38]) by relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 179094A0B7 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 23:02:17 +0000 (UTC) To: Shop Talk References: From: Dave Cavanaugh Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:02:27 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If this is a small piece and super glue type glue would work, you can buy super glue accelerator spray, and put the super glue on one part, spray the accelerator on the other part and as soon as you put the pieces together, they are stuck. Make sure everything fits because you only get one shot. "Superglue" has come a long way, there are lots of isocyanurate glues these days and one of them might work. > http://www.rockler.com/adhesives/ca-glue On 11/25/2015 9:44 AM, Jim Stone wrote: > My cousin just asked me to try to repair a wooden giraffe carving he purchased > many years ago in Africa. The statue (I think it is about 1 ft tall) fell and > broke into three pieces: the bottom of the neck snapped off from the body and > the body snapped off from the base. Ibm game to give it a try, but stuck > trying to figure out how to excerpt proper clamping force on the two joints, > especially the neck joint. Are the special clamps that might do the trick, or > special tricks that anyone knows? > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 16:14:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5C82587960 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 16:14:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25AB5258095A for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 16:11:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8CF104DCC; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 23:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.167]) by localhost (filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id IQvbeoQBLDPE; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 23:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.35.44.38]) by relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 96CC317CED; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 23:12:39 +0000 (UTC) To: eric@megageek.com, shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: From: Dave Cavanaugh Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:12:50 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Buying a new compressor of just the 'compressor'? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I would replace the whole thing, and my next compressor is going to be a two stage unit. On 11/25/2015 6:07 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > First, Happy T'day to all the US folk here. For your not in the US, have > a great day as well. > > > On to the question... > > I have a compressor that I have been using for about 20 years now (wow, > has it really been that long?) > > Recently, the compressor is leaking some oil. So I know a replacement is > coming up. My question, is it better to replace the whole unit, or just > the compressor pump? > > I was leaning to the whole unit just to avoid any issues with rusted > tanks, etc. Also, I could sell the old one to someone who really needs > one and is willing to take the time to fix it for a low price. > > So, if you were buying a new compressor, what one would you go for under > $2000? (240v of course.) > > Thanks. > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 16:42:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615CC258779B for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 16:42:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BAY004-OMC2S22.hotmail.com (bay004-omc2s22.hotmail.com [65.54.190.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF602587CE2 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 16:41:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY402-EAS176 ([65.54.190.124]) by BAY004-OMC2S22.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:42:41 -0800 From: Jack Brooks To: "'Shop Talk'" References: <2039656930.8647688.1448475131402.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:42:37 -0800 Thread-Index: AQABAgMEm+b1pIOd1P2lfE5ai1aSJgDVrvB1okcD8fA= Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[F9784E60:01D127DA] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Rubber bands. Make them just tight enough to hold the joint together and squeeze out any excess glue. They are inexpensive, come in a variety of sizes and most importantly, keep a constant tension and do not slip. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dwade Reinsch Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:12 AM To: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com>; Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape I often use blue painter's tape to hold small things together while glue dries. Just be careful to not let lots of glue come out of the joint and glue to the tape. DwadeWylie, TX From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> To: Shop Talk Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:44 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape My cousin just asked me to try to repair a wooden giraffe carving he purchased many years ago in Africa.B The statue (I think it is about 1 ft tall) fell and broke into three pieces: the bottom of the neck snapped off from the body and the body snapped off from the base.B Ibm game to give it a try, but stuck trying to figure out how to excerpt proper clamping force on the two joints, especially the neck joint. Are the special clamps that might do the trick, or special tricks that anyone knows? Thanks, _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dreinsch@swbell.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 17:11:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47132585D96 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:11:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DA1258598D for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:11:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.248.153.253] ([172.248.153.253:4166] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id C6/9F-09971-47E46565; Thu, 26 Nov 2015 00:12:36 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 16:12:35 -0800 Thread-Index: AdEnjoT17pR3ycqGT0u+ny/AshFXLAATgfow Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Buying a new compressor of just the 'compressor'? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > My question, is it better to replace the whole > unit, or just > the compressor pump? Even here in relatively dry southern California, my last (cheap) compressor tank rusted through and started leaking before the compressor packed it in. At one point I also had the pressure control switch malfunction and leave the compressor running; plus the pop-off valve didn't do it's job (apparently full of wasp's nest). Probably lucky it didn't explode, but the single stage compressor would only go so high. The PRV sure screamed a long time after I touched it, though! So if you're looking to go another 20 years, my suggestion would be to replace all of it. > So, if you were buying a new compressor, what one would you > go for under > $2000? (240v of course.) Ingersoll-Rand is the "gold standard" for air compressors IMO. I'd find an IR model that suits your needs and go with that. The one I use was made by IR, but sold by Sears. It's probably 20 years old by now (I bought it used) and still going strong, but I don't use it all that much. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 18:08:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B1A2585CC8 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 18:08:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BAY004-OMC2S13.hotmail.com (bay004-omc2s13.hotmail.com [65.54.190.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8492585B47 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 18:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY402-EAS19 ([65.54.190.124]) by BAY004-OMC2S13.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:09:14 -0800 From: Jack Brooks To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:09:10 -0800 Thread-Index: AQABAgMEULgMTH4DIe3SFsSgf2C6HKJNyUsg Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[10C77210:01D127E7] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Buying a new compressor of just the 'compressor'? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thoughts on compressor longevity; When I changed out the anode in my hot water heater ( you all do this every 5-10 years right?) the new one was a tad long to clear the ceiling, so I trimmed off about 6 inches.. I dropped that 6 inch section into my compressor tank (horizontal cylinder) about 10 years ago. I hope it is doing its job. BTW - Really, you should be changing your water heater anodes every 5-10 years. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:13 PM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Buying a new compressor of just the 'compressor'? > My question, is it better to replace the whole unit, or just the > compressor pump? Even here in relatively dry southern California, my last (cheap) compressor tank rusted through and started leaking before the compressor packed it in. At one point I also had the pressure control switch malfunction and leave the compressor running; plus the pop-off valve didn't do it's job (apparently full of wasp's nest). Probably lucky it didn't explode, but the single stage compressor would only go so high. The PRV sure screamed a long time after I touched it, though! So if you're looking to go another 20 years, my suggestion would be to replace all of it. > So, if you were buying a new compressor, what one would you go for > under $2000? (240v of course.) Ingersoll-Rand is the "gold standard" for air compressors IMO. I'd find an IR model that suits your needs and go with that. The one I use was made by IR, but sold by Sears. It's probably 20 years old by now (I bought it used) and still going strong, but I don't use it all that much. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 18:23:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695402587801 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 18:23:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D9E25877EE for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 18:22:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:24:07 -0800 id 00000000002800AF.0000000056565F37.00007963 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <31238779.1448492017974.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4ED849D4-D2AC-4BC3-BDAD-100EDD36021F@gmail.com> From: John Miller Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:23:57 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/25/2015 2:57 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > Thanks guys. Lots of good suggestions. I am heading to my cousinbs house > tomorrow and bring an assortment of glues, pins, tape and rubber bands, so I > will see the giraffe then and make the final call on which of the methods will > work best. I feel more confident of success than I did just a few hours ago! Another option depending on how much time, money, and force is involved and whether you need alignment or just clamping, is to squirt some spray-foam insulation or whatever into a plastic bag and squish it down on one side, if necessary the same on the other, before clamping them with a bar clamp or whatever as the foam firms. Just don't let the gooey foam get on the workpieces. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 18:47:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD2425875FA for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 18:47:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f43.google.com (mail-qg0-f43.google.com [209.85.192.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07692258757F for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 18:45:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by qgcc31 with SMTP id c31so45304713qgc.3 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:46:50 -0800 (PST) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=yr5psDN8qmCt5U2xUiwmNfnFghplHOox1GU2Za32VBU=; b=qoReMSf93vHeR3dBoE883Ho63tyLPN7+tudoD//kAD69hrzylclNVsbWULeRC2SuvR hsmBCIVqSMlv+XZsqLQUYO9U6zZMmZE0ilMnSydaO8yIJ8bFBU8cA/QeOAaRDtBoSmfp pk6itp5gztoiY0O23+6JTydOguX9LOw9poWxX3BGHGTM0nbkRRsCSNNhTFgxI85haM8P mA3mr2EGLRvGlR/isMSFNAcOvjrzLubflDMX/CdhtEULqLRRPtOfCC2S/Zx8A4Gmy1S3 UnwT+JmDZaPGX+naJSnKW+jCYTG1MDVnkL+ddcAlnLgQ3aNh37N5RMX8cR2As81JBmj4 2Jmg== l8mr43931415qgf.26.1448502410022; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.126] (ool-457e068c.dyn.optonline.net. [69.126.6.140]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j64sm3992098qhc.36.2015.11.25.17.46.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:46:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 20:46:47 -0500 References: <31238779.1448492017974.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4ED849D4-D2AC-4BC3-BDAD-100EDD36021F@gmail.com> <56565F2D.6020300@milleredp.com> To: John Miller Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That is a very clever idea! Even if I donbt use it this time, I will definitely file it away for the future. Thanks. > On Nov 25, 2015, at 8:23 PM, John Miller wrote: > > On 11/25/2015 2:57 PM, Jim Stone wrote: >> Thanks guys. Lots of good suggestions. I am heading to my cousinbs house >> tomorrow and bring an assortment of glues, pins, tape and rubber bands, so I >> will see the giraffe then and make the final call on which of the methods will >> work best. I feel more confident of success than I did just a few hours ago! > > Another option depending on how much time, money, and force is involved and whether you need alignment or just clamping, is to squirt some spray-foam insulation or whatever into a plastic bag and squish it down on one side, if necessary the same on the other, before clamping them with a bar clamp or whatever as the foam firms. > > Just don't let the gooey foam get on the workpieces. > > John. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 26 07:48:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2B62587711 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2015 07:48:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D872580BAA for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2015 07:26:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.103]) by resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id mETD1r0032EPM3101ETPdk; Thu, 26 Nov 2015 14:27:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([73.47.127.174]) by resomta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id mETP1r0043lta6101ETPLD; Thu, 26 Nov 2015 14:27:23 +0000 To: Shop Talk References: <56563E03.3040009@frontier.com> From: "Peter J. Thomas" Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:27:30 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 s=q20140121; t=1448548043; bh=UvWytXgUstlrQ68218MTRR9hkKm9lq2Dt+85TBW6QhU=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=YqpEsg2Yw9ZMI/kAl+eHIZe5uFGfBzVeHIrg4t70ecrfpUoOd0m4aqbgwo0sWU35S hVrkWgqnW+eaHk+G5eZ4cmLPMx2F1tPw2WjmFvgDW0/OgamnwGSQRUbDQk5BOVVRvT l+YrwfK+z3fLUVwHzh1calqITdSlqOEzZtj2o12/gjFPrVgTZHMhXZVFA2v4oWfN5H IebiiJZRdd80XgejTwXaHqotcUSuRWdgLGE/WgXiothruFVnzf0N+6nbyCCPEaA0uT fhYk45WwZKd4ZJN6kWt8tdSbXOEyS8iYYOFn+CiEjpqGuSKwNNtBwqX70BFxlMerDR zTLrxicpBPiSg== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/25/2015 6:02 PM, Dave Cavanaugh wrote: > If this is a small piece and super glue type glue would work, you can > buy super glue accelerator spray, and put the super glue on one part, > spray the accelerator on the other part and as soon as you put the > pieces together, they are stuck. Make sure everything fits because > you only get one shot. > > "Superglue" has come a long way, there are lots of isocyanurate glues > these days and one of them might work. >> http://www.rockler.com/adhesives/ca-glue Word of caution. Superglue does not fill gaps well. It's likely the wood has moved either from moisture or release of tension, so will have gaps. > > > > > On 11/25/2015 9:44 AM, Jim Stone wrote: >> My cousin just asked me to try to repair a wooden giraffe carving he >> purchased >> many years ago in Africa. The statue (I think it is about 1 ft tall) >> fell and >> broke into three pieces: the bottom of the neck snapped off from the >> body and >> the body snapped off from the base. Ibm game to give it a try, but >> stuck >> trying to figure out how to excerpt proper clamping force on the two >> joints, >> especially the neck joint. Are the special clamps that might do the >> trick, or >> special tricks that anyone knows? >> >> Thanks, >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 26 18:02:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E752587CF2 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:02:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB732586B3D for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.236]) by resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id mR2i1r00656HXL001R38YX; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 01:03:08 +0000 Received: from BigBlack ([IPv6:2601:600:4000:c20a:6897:9794:2731:30d5]) by resomta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id mR371r0051Gp7ZG01R37bK; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 01:03:08 +0000 From: "Bob Kegel" To: "Shop Talk" References: <56563E03.3040009@frontier.com> <565716D2.9040001@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:02:54 -0800 s=q20140121; t=1448586188; bh=O/omIMWbZkGIPBuOYg6oUN34YUd6edyqemU7Lv+POLo=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=scPm2NF9k9PmNGIy1D7WG70tUufMI9LyX9Gus44FHPzmkSt/O/E5ffHCeB5oM23Jo Q5JplmCf4+/k2owyCoPTIt+MwhWp4rw/1F5NQ6+XzARnEDDr0V8Xm6cLPbKdQ/ZIKI rFO5PN3IbVf52UumIiHHPW+Oztypj33ytRSftX9C9MXpGSLyV3LDBuTqwBYexLzxeG wLEahyslX/RwB1j4IFhdLob3I8vFZcaOHVKIawOlJ7UBZAePdiB+m4sPkJqNfNMtOn QCFO7jMCaHRzqiQrDz2rp/apFa3WcTLgeOuqr6LrBS7QnzClBLytyV6BCXX9I7Vlxa T1l4DzfGqlNOA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gluing an awkward shape Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Superglue does not fill gaps well. True. Baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) or saw dust can used as a filler with the cyanoacrylate adhesive applied over it. The process is exothermic and produces toxic fumes; use carefully. Bob K _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive