From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 1 05:54:20 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B332585B8E for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 05:54:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f169.google.com (mail-ig0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACDA42585B68 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 05:54:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ig0-f169.google.com with SMTP id ik10so34999760igb.1 for ; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 04:59:24 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=FnJvmmYNcFXAFZx6mdUEXKZYQ+8Gx62gwGd4Lxdy1es=; b=g/HnZ9vKp8aLApu/Eq1RyxFxPZgN6cU9OS+PFlaK8ZHvD3JSetkVZY5BjygOhJ0gA/ 5Y3k56q2gcBSRI3bR4OTW0lgRs5h8j3YWiUWC/tmIZJ0mR5iKjzq3brQi/H4ZjYeAbQJ xBxJ8nP6pfmZikRtS/UNsvzFeO6a04q9Kr0r3+QMISHFnRQmb4VWVbhCtvcEFTEkJ5rp QijzE/QxkxDJV+Szs7te9UmuaApheVYSBdWyhpwtMXV4ecprvQIswICUl3Kp6tU3AfUr V3qV4cBemWXfj4p/dWOMp3VUs+AVjJ2kENOBkoMA+Y+jELdcZjhbfvvvwzdlWyJOjxtw jnCg== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=FnJvmmYNcFXAFZx6mdUEXKZYQ+8Gx62gwGd4Lxdy1es=; b=N6XVyDN2h6iyCKaLu/nFBiCd7ETc39wGfv29peVhaMG76kfZ08tAXS+p2vAKlLPm11 sanVYX+TzKB8jLRchlCQAh+gpejQ2desGDzjEfVYQ6Kjs8K3tJKW5/mv6bSCe5jykPyp Bxm8Ueyc8GNNrFcrNdphiSk7S2RocAnm4u/oGjlhBpAoH9MvtvzTZRXAfO5+GDohghso Q0wYw346hOPKWBbnk0155iQe7sz3GWSFZsqhhkJufn0hnDGL09MXH4HGxBpx/CKw0YDQ RUVlQ1kz3/m/loKd2OGDxSmK5TKOSRJsCsQ4DwhWduSP6ZPNMBpgJhlZPArh3+iAAnah wH6g== 01 Feb 2016 04:59:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.206.7 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 04:59:23 -0800 (PST) References: <56AEE2B7.7030905@milleredp.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 07:59:23 -0500 From: Jeff Scarbrough Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] The one tool we have never discussed here! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My house built in 1977 with a Norelco (?) central vacuum system. When we bought he house, everything was there except the hose. We never felt the need to replace the hose, due to cost, convenience, and the part of the installation that I could see did not give me confidence that it would actually work. There must have been some reason that he hose was missing in the first place... We've got a Kenmore upright with a bag. Everything you don't want, but it works for us. I plan to install the central vac main unit in the garage someday, maybe, and use it for vacuuming the cars out. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:44 PM, John Miller wrote: >> In my own home, I have an in-wall vacuum system, where the hoses >> retract into the wall when you're done with them. You just release >> the locking collar at the wall and put your hand over the nozzle. >> Zip. Gone. > > > Something like these guys? > > http://www.hideahose.com/ > > I'm envisioning a short story where that goes wrong, either an Aliens remake > or some flavor of Japanese porn... > > John. > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 1 10:23:19 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B792A258557F for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 10:23:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF952585275 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 10:19:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by itonami.pair.com (Postfix, from userid 3198) id 894958FEFE; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 12:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itonami.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BD98FC0E for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 12:24:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 12:24:43 -0500 (EST) From: David Hillman To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20160201063516.CCFDB25859D7@autox.team.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Subject: [Shop-talk] Enough with vacuums, on to the opposite, compressed air Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a filter/regulator/lubricator assembly from McMaster-Carr plumbed into the air lines in my shop ( part number 4957k54 if you are curious ). The filter bowl has failed, and is leaking substantially. This is the second time the unit has failed since I bought it five years ago. McMaster may send me a replacement assembly again -- I just called them this morning, and am awaiting their formal response. The filter unit is available separately for about $100. For a fairly simple product that was north of $200, a MBTF of <3 years is not acceptable... especially if I wind up spending the $50/yr to fix it in the future. Can anyone recommend a better quality alternative, that I can install and forget about for a while? I don't need super precise regulation, or particularly high pressure capacity. The current unit is +/- 1 psi up to 150 psi, and that's fine for my use. Alternately, I could keep the regulator/lubricator portions of the modular McMaster unit, which seem relatively trouble-free, and just add an upstream standalone filter. Thanks. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 1 11:38:45 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D00D2585653 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 11:38:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B8425853C4 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 11:37:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:43:05 -0800 id 00000000002800C5.0000000056AFA739.00003A41 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20160201063516.2F8FE2585962@autox.team.net> From: John Miller Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 10:43:06 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] The one tool we have never discussed here! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 1/31/2016 4:22 PM, Richard Beels wrote: > > Go here and read this guy's AMAs: > https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/316tx6 > > The guy's advice is spot on. I have a Miele canister and the wife loves > it. It was $700 but sucks like a vaccuum should. Yeah, it's a good read for the first two dozen pages I've gotten through and in my comparatively limited experience factually accurate. Miele canisters are great. I liked his description of their uprights as "designed by engineers who know canisters really well" though I've never used one. Riccar is a brand I was unfamiliar with. I note they have a power brush setup for central systems, which I will keep in mind against future requirements. The Kirbys I've experienced are wonderful examples of 1940s-1950s aluminum casting art. I've fixed a couple recent Dysons for friends, the mechanical elements of the things are stunningly fragile and things like the drive clutch must be replaced as assemblies. Not hard to do, and not expensive, but it'd have cost a buck more a unit for Dyson to do it right. I'd never buy one. I have to admit to a fondness for Hoovers for the price, in many cases the tools and attachments are cheesy but the basic power unit is simple and robust. > And we have a $100 B&D dustbuster-type model (BDH2020FLFH) that is great > for a quick zip around the corners and edges. We've got something like this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KASUEK8 It works well for what we bought it for, my biggest complaint is that while it's great for sucking up stuff like spilled coffee beans and sawdust and the like, dog hair and other lighter/finer material clogs the filter pretty quickly. I should just buy a few spare filters and stop trying to clean the one that's in there. It's also loud as hell and the flipout brush on the snout isn't all that effective. I note they have a couple newer Li-Ion-cell versions for (at least at Amazon prices) not a lot more money. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 1 11:53:49 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FE52585D77 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 11:53:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FEB2585A81 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 11:46:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:52:02 -0800 id 00000000002800C5.0000000056AFA952.00003AEA To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20160201063516.2F8FE2585962@autox.team.net> <56AFA73A.1070603@milleredp.com> From: John Miller Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 10:52:04 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] The one tool we have never discussed here! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > The Kirbys I've experienced are wonderful examples of 1940s-1950s > aluminum casting art. ...but I should have added "we're somewhat past the point in time we need to push an R-2800 supercharger housing around our living rooms". John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 1 11:55:12 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34972585D7D for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 11:55:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4372585DA7 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 11:54:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by itonami.pair.com (Postfix, from userid 3198) id 881458FF05; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 14:00:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itonami.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878B58FF02 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 14:00:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 14:00:08 -0500 (EST) From: David Hillman To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20160201063516.2F8FE2585962@autox.team.net> <56AFA73A.1070603@milleredp.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] The one tool we have never discussed here! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, 1 Feb 2016, John Miller wrote: > I've fixed a couple recent Dysons for friends, the mechanical elements of the > things are stunningly fragile and things like the drive clutch must be > replaced as assemblies. Not hard to do, and not expensive, but it'd have > cost a buck more a unit for Dyson to do it right. I'd never buy one. I'm kind of amazed by Dyson, especially the commercials they are now running about how they allegedly torture test units. I have three of them... because I need three to have enough spare parts on hand when they invariably break. They are pretty simple to repair, but engineered to last they are certainly not. I'd be livid if I had ever bought one new, but mine all came second-hand. I should bite the bullet and just get one machine that'll last and dispose of my multi-colored menagerie. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 5 21:25:14 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A4D2587DEC for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 21:25:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BAY004-OMC1S10.hotmail.com (bay004-omc1s10.hotmail.com [65.54.190.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F222587CCC for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 21:25:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.54.190.60]) by BAY004-OMC1S10.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Fri, 5 Feb 2016 20:30:22 -0800 Received: from CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.164.70.145) by CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.164.70.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.403.10; Sat, 6 Feb 2016 04:30:19 +0000 Received: from CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.70.145]) by CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.70.145]) with mapi id 15.01.0403.016; Sat, 6 Feb 2016 04:30:19 +0000 From: "Tim ." To: "Shop Talk" Thread-Topic: let's talk plumbing while I freak out Thread-Index: AQHRYJVzu1tn6j+5R0eED3nnP2xSQg== Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 04:30:19 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US header.d=none; autox.team.net; dmarc=none action=none header.from=outlook.com; x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [TDPqaw1Ippez/EZ+r3eSWzzK04aJeNY3] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; CY1PR13MB0503; 5:A/2+G2dxJGOYbQULOKdbaq90NJnD88KGC2s/F9Jfr2zFF25/4pWG8ZxSqrcr/od/7pe3m1jUzoOOInI+D1OHUElrt1JbgC4wXflVe9zu4ZWhxGnCdNw9fTYVH5zxyHNlo2MUmyKZZLC/ppxt8QFtUA==; 24:dI83SCMT2Mp/zBGt1uBcnpdWK5ryF9ClNpCF82G/+kDSAFb9Wc/7RvsKwJZt1cMarPtUCt03S8hNeprtkk4Usup393qRKofgRAcVDnDMdj8= x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:CY1PR13MB0503; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 33ceda7e-b7c7-461b-3345-08d32eae3856 x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:CY1PR13MB0503; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:CY1PR13MB0503; x-forefront-prvs: 08444C7C87 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(7070004)(6009001)(69224002)(99286002)(11100500001)(54356999)(229853001)(122556002)(50986999)(10400500002)(5008740100001)(106116001)(87572001)(87936001)(86362001)(450100001)(110136002)(5003600100002)(107886002)(189998001)(5002640100001)(40100003)(77096005)(102836003)(1220700001)(586003)(3280700002)(33656002)(2900100001)(16236675004)(3660700001)(92566002)(19625215002)(76576001)(19627405001)(74316001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1901; SCL:1; SRVR:CY1PR13MB0503; H:CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM FILETIME=[1789CC90:01D16097] Subject: [Shop-talk] let's talk plumbing while I freak out Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4608241240457236080== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_CY1PR13MB05037E11FD4536D625D21DDCB4D30CY1PR13MB0503namp_" --_000_CY1PR13MB05037E11FD4536D625D21DDCB4D30CY1PR13MB0503namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This house we bought (1905 craftsman) has a "modern" full bathroom on the l= ower level. The shower stall has a dual knob fixture......not sure if I am correct on t= his description. I just noticed a drip drip. I am fairly certain the cold water tap is now leaking--not the hot I hope. = I think I know how to pull the valve. If I pull this valve will I be able t= o find an "over the counter" replacement? Will a hardware store know how to= ID it? (I am totally clueless on plumbing issues and will admit that plumb= ers are not over paid mainly because I cannot get to most of my fixtures as= I am too wide in the shoulders.) Our water/sewer bills are close to $100 a month so I need to fix this leak = yesterday. Thanks for all feedback! tim --_000_CY1PR13MB05037E11FD4536D625D21DDCB4D30CY1PR13MB0503namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This house we bought (1905 craftsman) has a "modern&qu= ot; full bathroom on the lower level.  

The shower stall has a dual knob fixture......not sure if I am c= orrect on this description. I just noticed a drip drip. 

I am fairly certain the cold water tap is now leaking--not the h= ot I hope. I think I know how to pull the valve. If I pull this valve = will I be able to find an "over the counter" replacement? Wi= ll a hardware store know how to ID it? (I am totally clueless on plumbing issues and will admit that plumbers are not over paid= mainly because I cannot get to most of my fixtures as I am too wide i= n the shoulders.)

Our water/sewer bills are close to $100 a month so I need to fix= this leak yesterday. 

Thanks for all feedback!
tim
--_000_CY1PR13MB05037E11FD4536D625D21DDCB4D30CY1PR13MB0503namp_-- --===============4608241240457236080== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============4608241240457236080==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 5 23:36:02 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B48B2587B27 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 23:36:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A909625879AD for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 23:33:39 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ajanJn01/e1ao//qJuLG//mDEIzQcixboRN1ZaelgGJgoE8O1Xku4hIseUqs3Zow; h=Received:From:Subject:To:References:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.13.34] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1aRwW5-0008BP-Hy; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 01:38:45 -0500 From: Brian Kemp To: "Tim ." , Shop Talk References: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 22:37:56 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] let's talk plumbing while I freak out Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tim - If you can get it apart, you can probably fix it. You probably have one of two configurations. 1 - A washer against a seat. You will take off the trim and unscrew the shaft. At the end, will be a washer with a screw holding it in place. This is quick and cheap. If the washer looks compressed and has a ring from the seat, it needs to be replaced. Also look at the seat in the part inside the wall. If it isn't super smooth, plan on replacing it too. You will need a special wrench - think an oversize square allen wrench. If you can turn the valve a little tighter after it is off, this is what you probably have. This type of valve will also be several turns from off to all the way open. 2 - A cartridge of some sort. This comes apart like #1, but you just replace the complete part. Take the old one to the store and get a match. There is typically a different part for hot and cold because both may turn in different directions. This valves are often a quarter or half turn from off to full on. I've serviced both of the above and always found the parts at the local hardware store or home center. The local True Value had someone that knew what they were doing and clued me into replacing the seats in #1. Be sure to turn off the water. One of my valves was set into the wall, so I cut a paper plate to make sure the water would hit the plate and run into the shower instead of going down into the wall. If any of the screws are even partially stripped, replace them so you can get them out in a decade when you service the valve again. The screws will either be brass or stainless. Don't use a regular screw. If you have trouble removing the handle, leave the screw in loose while you pull and wiggle the handle. When the handle suddenly pops free, the screw will stop you and the handle from going into the opposite wall. Consider a trip to the hardware store or home center to look at the parts in advance. If you can see a brand on any of the fixtures, make a note of that as some like to match all the plumbing parts. For example, if you have a Kohler tub and toilet, you may also have Kohler valves. Since both shower valves are probably used equally, if one is going, the other might not be too far behind. I'd consider servicing both. Brian On 2/5/2016 8:30 PM, Tim . wrote: > > This house we bought (1905 craftsman) has a "modern" full bathroom on > the lower level. > > The shower stall has a dual knob fixture......not sure if I am correct > on this description. I just noticed a drip drip. > > I am fairly certain the cold water tap is now leaking--not the hot I > hope. I think I know how to pull the valve. If I pull this valve will > I be able to find an "over the counter" replacement? Will a hardware > store know how to ID it? (I am totally clueless on plumbing issues and > will admit that plumbers are not over paid mainly because I cannot > get to most of my fixtures as I am too wide in the shoulders.) > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 6 12:59:17 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579742586A99 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2016 12:59:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC4S25.hotmail.com (snt004-omc4s25.hotmail.com [65.55.90.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DE72586765 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2016 12:58:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.55.90.201]) by SNT004-OMC4S25.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Sat, 6 Feb 2016 12:03:53 -0800 Received: from SN1PR13MB0511.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.164.27.145) by SN1PR13MB0512.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.164.27.146) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.409.10; Sat, 6 Feb 2016 20:03:52 +0000 Received: from SN1PR13MB0511.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.27.145]) by SN1PR13MB0511.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.27.145]) with mapi id 15.01.0409.014; Sat, 6 Feb 2016 20:03:52 +0000 From: "Tim ." To: "Shop Talk" Thread-Topic: let's talk plumbing while I freak out Thread-Index: AQHRYJVzu1tn6j+5R0eED3nnP2xSQp8fcZtS Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 20:03:52 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US header.d=none; autox.team.net; dmarc=none action=none header.from=outlook.com; x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [2V+tHOTTpHOctop5512N0LMGZzZXPE2+] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; SN1PR13MB0512; 5:PuH4UDH7pNA+M6tfHJndkr4qbT5RI2Iyp8cUsyq86yfdFNA+Bu1e8N6T+G7GUPACQnA68W5zkWA5KSzxE30c8+nATplnqPtrm+dld0iBllVvinl5oCiocgYlLqUeJu8zoR1eULjB/QbBia8+wfTC4g==; 24:BqtqzA512+8U9x0xHDgD3lNkSZJo6cwypWYSOoSN0/1sRZ0k0rqVIgccuQzveMGEvJTHt1ZVHFJ/xk9oxGQuglQLtqQ55MmOhud0qmrieuk= x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:SN1PR13MB0512; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 820eb39f-735a-4cdc-6d2b-08d32f30a2fb x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:SN1PR13MB0512; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:SN1PR13MB0512; x-forefront-prvs: 08444C7C87 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(7070004)(6009001)(377454003)(69224002)(54356999)(76176999)(5003600100002)(2950100001)(86362001)(77096005)(87572001)(106116001)(87936001)(19627405001)(50986999)(110136002)(107886002)(16236675004)(586003)(40100003)(189998001)(74316001)(92566002)(33656002)(19625215002)(1220700001)(11100500001)(19580405001)(5008740100001)(19580395003)(3900700001)(3280700002)(5002640100001)(122556002)(76576001)(10400500002)(450100001)(3660700001)(102836003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1901; SCL:1; SRVR:SN1PR13MB0512; H:SN1PR13MB0511.namprd13.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM FILETIME=[81241FC0:01D16119] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] let's talk plumbing while I freak out Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3150730007820171484== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_SN1PR13MB0511AA8C7AF291C369815C3BB4D30SN1PR13MB0511namp_" --_000_SN1PR13MB0511AA8C7AF291C369815C3BB4D30SN1PR13MB0511namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks guy. I am able to slightly tighten the insert so hope to be able to = remove it and rebuild it. tim ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Tim . Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 10:30 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] let's talk plumbing while I freak out This house we bought (1905 craftsman) has a "modern" full bathroom on the l= ower level. The shower stall has a dual knob fixture......not sure if I am correct on t= his description. I just noticed a drip drip. I am fairly certain the cold water tap is now leaking--not the hot I hope. = I think I know how to pull the valve. If I pull this valve will I be able t= o find an "over the counter" replacement? Will a hardware store know how to= ID it? (I am totally clueless on plumbing issues and will admit that plumb= ers are not over paid mainly because I cannot get to most of my fixtures as= I am too wide in the shoulders.) Our water/sewer bills are close to $100 a month so I need to fix this leak = yesterday. Thanks for all feedback! tim --_000_SN1PR13MB0511AA8C7AF291C369815C3BB4D30SN1PR13MB0511namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks guy. I am able to slightly tighten the insert so hope to be able = to remove it and rebuild it. tim



From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outl= ook.com>
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 10:30 PM
To: Shop Talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] let's talk plumbing while I freak out
 

This house we bought (1905 craftsman) has a "modern&qu= ot; full bathroom on the lower level.  

The shower stall has a dual knob fixture......not sure if I am c= orrect on this description. I just noticed a drip drip. 

I am fairly certain the cold water tap is now leaking--not the h= ot I hope. I think I know how to pull the valve. If I pull this valve = will I be able to find an "over the counter" replacement? Wi= ll a hardware store know how to ID it? (I am totally clueless on plumbing issues and will admit that plumbers are not over paid= mainly because I cannot get to most of my fixtures as I am too wide i= n the shoulders.)

Our water/sewer bills are close to $100 a month so I need to fix= this leak yesterday. 

Thanks for all feedback!
tim
--_000_SN1PR13MB0511AA8C7AF291C369815C3BB4D30SN1PR13MB0511namp_-- --===============3150730007820171484== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============3150730007820171484==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 12 21:15:44 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9782585732 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 21:15:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lf0-f44.google.com (mail-lf0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1702585668 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 21:15:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lf0-f44.google.com with SMTP id l143so62833995lfe.2 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 20:20:56 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YGFwKCQj4n1rhM7AmXz8Y2FLVBF8PwpqJIiV8gxs5Ok=; b=LqcfqpcsfaLZmrymBwB03XyQNqhyq4uJ6jSZm0SUwn3ywa7tvBNgj8czNz8kxwk0W/ XRP13y0ieEHd5tlXe/bBrgWyqqY5aeMXvbulf4dImTYNfFkeEQ6SapYmqru68CJiIzrv jFf0pH/Z4a63eIFYUUSmmLsslrNmw2xbj3c70T1b1k3CyDAfBWskLu+wsHxDejA31I0p aDm4YE7e3k4c2mqSVEsGoxSmi2MkwFOBeCGS4KaNPL0lKeMYigM0VjrpFN5Sz+Z6SdK9 qk4om5IwZ7S78zqGdNS5/R7SshAl3QTzbobEKcrB/0qm+mksiFeN3fNoxO535TkW2Rpc 4C6g== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YGFwKCQj4n1rhM7AmXz8Y2FLVBF8PwpqJIiV8gxs5Ok=; b=SCVIysx/jNgLIoj6gVGc1tKfK8EdxWai/sPG9Fml1UCAYTfRD7PTwwOdBl46GmWBzO t65GVfYDeVaf1VP7pm2Rf/0Av0RBddDaj/DBAONIFb6ffeWHV3Xe7cvwpKIpCGcXVy2y rf+YVkiA5ivcpSzZw+97sRVMmDYZbvbhgweej6S0tdRvHo4mR+7MNivltg8mXUzXLtWv R3O2fGsrVO8/OZNyE8+Wgz5ZdQJTqODQPieF6a6zOiH79sweVSrRWXkxUA5QA84r6cts Jmvhtt/UuQk4do7hzo5yruQ/hS2QtvEz4Wnut9aQM0VVLm0SnS+6ok//q2tp6LkMsAb6 9BvA== Fri, 12 Feb 2016 20:20:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.2.167 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 20:20:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 23:20:55 -0500 From: "J.C. Hassall" To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Natural gas fireplace logs installation Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0786478536050006402== --001a11411d641e74a6052b9f1c1f I'm replacing a set of functioning gas logs in my fireplace. Is there any magic to doing the plumbing? It seems to me that, aside from the possibility of blowing up the house, the plumbing should be like any other black pipe plumbing job. I really dislike plumbing but dislike even more paying a plumber $150 (i have a quote) to come in and spend 15 minutes doing what I could do. Of course, if the house blows, that solves the problem of all the crap in the basement, but I digress. Is there anything I should beware of? Is Teflon tape on the threads appropriate? tnx jim --001a11411d641e74a6052b9f1c1f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm replacing a set o= f functioning gas logs in my fireplace. Is there any magic to doing the plu= mbing?=C2=A0 It seems to me that, aside from the possibility of blowing up = the house, the plumbing should be like any other black pipe plumbing job.= =C2=A0 I really dislike plumbing but dislike even more paying a plumber $15= 0 (i have a quote) to come in and spend 15 minutes doing what I could do.= =C2=A0 Of course, if the house blows, that solves the problem of all the cr= ap in the basement, but I digress.=C2=A0 Is there anything I should beware = of?=C2=A0 Is Teflon tape on the threads appropriate?

tnx

jim
=
--001a11411d641e74a6052b9f1c1f-- --===============0786478536050006402== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============0786478536050006402==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 12 21:53:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7677025851B2 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 21:53:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F422585126 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 21:53:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.248.153.253] ([172.248.153.253:1866] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id F7/D9-32092-308BEB65; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 04:58:43 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'J.C. Hassall'" , Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 20:58:47 -0800 Thread-Index: AdFmFf52D6UWz+AGQ+uV09dcDHnWgwABNH0g Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Natural gas fireplace logs installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Is there anything I should beware of? Is Teflon > tape on the threads appropriate? If memory serves, you're not supposed to use common white Teflon tape on gas. Dope is OK, or there is a special yellow tape you can use. Just be sure to check for small leaks afterwards; preferably NOT with a lighted match! -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 13 06:06:51 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B433825855EF for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 06:06:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f172.google.com (mail-ig0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153C425853EC for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 06:06:41 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ig0-f172.google.com with SMTP id hb3so26248978igb.0 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 05:12:04 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lUp9Zwt8/jPDDgBQn1Lc2dRLuv8caFK3fv5s3slPErM=; b=UqRbqgDih1oB0dy0BHipsvWFbdJkkhlHm+LV0LSYUWcUe3rUE7EOYtECcT7CBmyvbC Gn9v0VRM+P0GHKyovKG85NqHxCyUgvQV8M7XFhI2uuJgqlNwlOm3mNLj5sq4ncxxT5P2 OB/qU6uCW1fGwkMkoRPt2dlkumXk1AlrId4N4wJ5+gXVhqVv7zRH9LdCG2jNVtz09SjG Zzq8jtYA8dW/fprO+syIa9olEqd126Myt+wUWlbMnMgKU5vjlDmSjaNtG6YP2X57l04O 3fiR2CFRGHvTHmXDXcQvBOOY8m8k9P68jPKsP+oerPhbUZbk6E1Sum8CIQBJMTCGm4HP h4jg== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lUp9Zwt8/jPDDgBQn1Lc2dRLuv8caFK3fv5s3slPErM=; b=OkGYYX2H4TEIIXMrGwTpB2c0s1VcxjBYTWs19wc08uhUPF4K6OM2ATR8A9Jq2F9JoQ Vw485eXXhs8fGOJgxjwicoFq0Yi9vwmXu3Ob6ouU8+BrV1NVyYScyLkKF5tY0z/z6EHh VgVEfdbh23oxREUNhWxXqNHDw1ZvfIjWiSo2UVlNVpbhJ8tLSB53YAm1hqFmGn5zjSe/ Tc/GzoD6FAQlKTM3XODqYbekBnx+52lRNe8B6RHza3hUeUpygHXPcdvPBKZH6B0gRMQU isf6/xXDjpQhbslCF9bOg86TsLX4zxjv+2dgQi7Sl9ZSLNhUIIMbd6uSoLb2CXbpmHlc 18oQ== 13 Feb 2016 05:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.208.85 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 05:12:03 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 08:12:03 -0500 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "J.C. Hassall" , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Natural gas fireplace logs installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I replaced a set of gas logs in my father-in-law's house a couple of years ago. I was nervous as all hell, but used the yellow tape and took my time. Soapy water to check for leaks. Two years later, the house is still standing, and I'm still married. So, it can be done without fireworks. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:20 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > I'm replacing a set of functioning gas logs in my fireplace. Is there any > magic to doing the plumbing? It seems to me that, aside from the > possibility of blowing up the house, the plumbing should be like any other > black pipe plumbing job. I really dislike plumbing but dislike even more > paying a plumber $150 (i have a quote) to come in and spend 15 minutes doing > what I could do. Of course, if the house blows, that solves the problem of > all the crap in the basement, but I digress. Is there anything I should > beware of? Is Teflon tape on the threads appropriate? > > tnx > > jim > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 13 10:53:20 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B2D258544B for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:53:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B7A2585594 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:53:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 09:58:29 -0800 id 00000000002800C5.0000000056BF6EC5.000032E6 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: John Miller Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 09:58:29 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Natural gas fireplace logs installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net >> beware of? Is Teflon tape on the threads appropriate? This sounds like a pretty minor job. For gas it's yellow tape or better still the yellow pipe compound. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 17 13:32:20 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D8525879DC for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 13:32:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57562587993 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 13:32:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-20v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.116]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id KYcX1s0082XD5SV01YdaLl; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 20:37:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([73.149.85.170]) by resomta-ch2-20v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id KYdZ1s00d3gWFQx01YdaFV; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 20:37:34 +0000 To: Shop-Talk From: "Peter J. Thomas" Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:37:20 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 s=q20140121; t=1455741454; bh=d8Q/fTX5ulCh4uIs+DBIuQ05Iqjtff8zeMphiN19has=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=wXOcPwHRK4zs1C0CdUL6eX3Z/WPBODv+gxtJ0ZTCDFTFSdQIqXjaC3UBzAjkDcU+B LjdHHskDY47zje+bAEC5a1gDGnUnCBEFPis+1WJ/f9g4wmbEBrWNzriv6AXT2BdfcH S6A5T56PYYK4jTTHBgiQKswchu6t9pRAeIOmyR7bwRLXVvDuxDPSUybwddPWZOXf6d PgJeHqU2zkeRQH7j6z4YEwjp5FZqpHs2JeDjuMMLWnf4D+kxN6P9tlZyBaJ0tl+D+G /AEU3cO6EqyNgTX2EGehHfi3PQmd48ARZUTeAjyM0PSCIjDaPxfgWMcLOGJsiFGVm2 eDsPZiSUkv8LQ== Subject: [Shop-talk] 2006 Ford Focus alarm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My daughter just picked up a used Ford Focus. It only came with one key, no fob. Everytime she unlocks the door with the key the alarm sounds until she inserts the key into the ignition and turn the car on. The fix is to go to a Ford dealer and get new key(s) and a fob(s) to disarm the alarm, but not cheap. But she's a recent college grad and only works part time in retail until she goes to grad school. There is no owners manual and I can't find anything on the web to disable the alarm. Any know how to do this on a budget? Only thing I can think of is to disable the horn. Thanks, Peter Thomas _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 17 16:19:42 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5313625879FE for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 16:19:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BAY004-OMC3S22.hotmail.com (bay004-omc3s22.hotmail.com [65.54.190.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0342F25859CC for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 16:19:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from NAM02-SN1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.54.190.188]) by BAY004-OMC3S22.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:24:57 -0800 Received: from SN1NAM02FT052.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.72.59) by SN1NAM02HT147.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.72.155) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.409.7; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 23:24:56 +0000 Received: from CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.152.72.56) by SN1NAM02FT052.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.72.146) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.415.6 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 23:24:55 +0000 Received: from CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.70.145]) by CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.70.145]) with mapi id 15.01.0415.013; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 23:24:55 +0000 From: "Tim ." To: Shop-Talk Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] 2006 Ford Focus alarm Thread-Index: AQHRacMTwz7E3FAvNU6vPHDo+dSTop8w4RDI Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 23:24:55 +0000 References: <56C4DA00.1030806@comcast.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US authentication-results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 25.152.72.56) header.d=none; autox.team.net; dmarc=fail action=none header.from=outlook.com; received-spf: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning outlook.com discourages use of 25.152.72.56 as permitted sender) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [OgroNtCuGSY7iJEVWeHCGp5vrp/JweZ0] x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:25.152.72.56; CTRY:GB; IPV:NLI; EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(98900003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:SN1NAM02HT147; H:CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:SoftFail; MLV:ovrnspm; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 237727ec-1063-443a-104f-08d337f18b85 x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(5061506196)(5061507196); SRVR:SN1NAM02HT147; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:SN1NAM02HT147; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:SN1NAM02HT147; x-forefront-prvs: 085551F5A8 FILETIME=[6A0EB1F0:01D169DA] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 2006 Ford Focus alarm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net No clue on a long term fix but disabling the horn will at least let her start her car in peace. Good luck ________________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Peter J. Thomas Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:37 PM To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] 2006 Ford Focus alarm My daughter just picked up a used Ford Focus. It only came with one key, no fob. Everytime she unlocks the door with the key the alarm sounds until she inserts the key into the ignition and turn the car on. The fix is to go to a Ford dealer and get new key(s) and a fob(s) to disarm the alarm, but not cheap. But she's a recent college grad and only works part time in retail until she goes to grad school. There is no owners manual and I can't find anything on the web to disable the alarm. Any know how to do this on a budget? Only thing I can think of is to disable the horn. Thanks, Peter Thomas _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 17 17:04:41 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDFD258761C for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:04:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f177.google.com (mail-ig0-f177.google.com [209.85.213.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56770258760C for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:04:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ig0-f177.google.com with SMTP id xg9so1340514igb.1 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 16:10:01 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=HwTqQnsWzSayDRrNQMGvn2Jcv2ZYCwGjaE8kTyibY/U=; b=VRTpBrOVd5ORk7uHnQHqE6DpfNRgAcRHzdZMdOZbA0gg7/EAbvmRbIHnldnuQer/h8 mZuv+xUnTJm5Mu3UF8Q5s/qk9qFp4a2okFEt56weKuesWid5wLhWu/8KAs+3lH/m+YiV b6KWUA4eoKr/XL/4ituDLmrMwf2wzfvh6g6ik61YGA4I0EAy8w2dq8+7GRDTgkJdR5jf WXKUjLFpD4gkqqmNoyDrS/H6CRpLmeLkCGmJotwn+kPhPz/RWsUlRcDih3FTtao3neyz 3Cadiv2AZynC9mCq+o06QHWvSXgm+eu7j3NFhwFjGMpR0vuf4eQBe+j5qj6bNGbSDmaT 07iA== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=HwTqQnsWzSayDRrNQMGvn2Jcv2ZYCwGjaE8kTyibY/U=; b=Y+1Gfo3QKhmjAmvxpKCu3kz7awGmapMionz2JHjBfxBQsxxvIhfOdabb9gv4iKOcQM oOj+B8IL8nTGDK1IQWhvigK0l3TGsb4X0U7yzXD4RCRj+A2Oo9ZLXWqydttdGLjEzPJ9 oXeCB58kbYe6IFbCSRk9nqoZlLgsoqh97AacSy7dbbzgf6x2OZ/fRvqNPMpsSDuq8ftZ mKA+Bvko+2twejvEosAYSg/g6BgciwvyqM06NNuO68t9krcbJP6q2Ejco9557tBupbOR +2LKvC709knGwd2p6Elu57hHdVSjxEQmmisdfIq7dHjNpFYxMvWYP76r+bM4wnUWk2pa de2w== 17 Feb 2016 16:10:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.208.85 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 16:10:00 -0800 (PST) References: <56C4DA00.1030806@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:10:00 -0500 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "Peter J. Thomas" , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 2006 Ford Focus alarm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm not sure about your car, but you should be able to program a blank if you have an existing key. If you need a manual, though, it's the 21st century... https://owner.ford.com/tools/account/how-tos/owner-manuals-search-results.html#/ymm/2006/Ford/Focus Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Peter J. Thomas wrote: > My daughter just picked up a used Ford Focus. It only came with one key, no > fob. Everytime she unlocks the door with the key the alarm sounds until she > inserts the key into the ignition and turn the car on. The fix is to go to > a Ford dealer and get new key(s) and a fob(s) to disarm the alarm, but not > cheap. But she's a recent college grad and only works part time in retail > until she goes to grad school. There is no owners manual and I can't find > anything on the web to disable the alarm. Any know how to do this on a > budget? Only thing I can think of is to disable the horn. > > Thanks, > > Peter Thomas > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 17 18:23:20 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115482587566 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:23:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2902587624 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425AA276D6B for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:28:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from BigBlackIvy.racertodd.com (50-46-115-190.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.115.190]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27750276D62 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:28:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:28:19 -0800 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke BlargAV v1.1 on localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 2006 Ford Focus alarm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If you need additional keys, my understanding is that some locksmiths can cut new keys and program the car to accept them as well at way less than the dealer charges. As for the fob, you can get a new fob on eBay cheap. I did a quick search for "2006 focus fob". Select "US only" to exclude the ones from China and Hong Kong. Many are new, but at <$10 I assume they're Chinesium crap sold by US sellers. I'd probably select "used" in the hope of finding a genuine Ford product. Programming the car to accept the remote looks easy, no scan tool required. Here are instructions, confirmed on multiple sites. 1. Turn the ignition from "Off" to "Run" four times in six seconds. Key stops in "Run" position on fourth cycle. 2. Turn the ignition to "Off." The car will chime to confirm that you've done everything correctly so far. Key is still in ignition. 3. Press any key on the first remote you're programming. Perform this within 20 seconds of Step 2. The car will chime to confirm programming. 4. Repeat Step 3 with each additional remote*, all within the 20 seconds. Remove key from ignition. *The remotes should be inside the vehicle during the procedure (eg. all on front seat.) Source: The Focus Fanatic Forum has a classified section, probably could find a genuine part there. FordParts.com shows a new one for $50 or so. Todd _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 18 06:35:52 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7E325876C6 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 06:35:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8F72587674 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 06:35:39 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 08:11:42 -0500 02/18/2016 08:11:45, Serialize complete at 02/18/2016 08:11:45 Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage Vacuums Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0751817493464879857== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004B269485257F5D_= So I was thinking of adding a wall mount garage vacuum like one of these... http://www.amazon.com/Hoover-ProGrade-Garage-Utility-L2310/dp/B000289920/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455802332&sr=8-1&keywords=guv or http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003R3JFJO/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2Q4QONC3A3JBV&coliid=IGUX6ER9MU71G Problem is, the reviews seem to vary saying they don't have great suction. Then I was thinking of just getting a 20' section of hose for a standard shop vac... http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I5WETYI/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2Q4QONC3A3JBV&coliid=I1D9CR71UI84ZG But I was wondering if the length causes the drop in suction. I mainly want to use it to vaccum cars out (I'm not looking to vaccum the shop floor or hooking it up to a dust collector as some reviewers are doing.) So, does anyone have one of these? Can anyone offer advice for getting a vaccum with a long hose (20' min, 50' would be ideal!) Thanks. BTW, for sweeping a coated shop/garage floor, get one of these! http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AH5FFW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00 Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 004B269485257F5D_= So I was thinking of adding a wall mount garage vacuum like one of these...

http://www.amazon.com/Hoover-ProGrade-Garage-Utility-L2310/dp/B000289920/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455802332&sr=8-1&keywords=guv

or

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003R3JFJO/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2Q4QONC3A3JBV&coliid=IGUX6ER9MU71G

Problem is, the reviews seem to vary saying they don't have great suction.

Then I was thinking of just getting a 20' section of hose for a standard shop vac...

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I5WETYI/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2Q4QONC3A3JBV&coliid=I1D9CR71UI84ZG

But I was wondering if the length causes the drop in suction.

I mainly want to use it to vaccum cars out (I'm not looking to vaccum the shop floor or hooking it up to a dust collector as some reviewers are doing.)

So, does anyone have one of these?  Can anyone offer advice for getting a vaccum with a long hose (20' min, 50' would be ideal!)

Thanks.

BTW, for sweeping a coated shop/garage floor, get one of these!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AH5FFW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Eric P
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 004B269485257F5D_=-- --===============0751817493464879857== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============0751817493464879857==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 18 07:05:13 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0D92585F73 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 07:05:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1CF2585F2C for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 07:05:07 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 08:41:11 -0500 02/18/2016 08:41:12, Serialize complete at 02/18/2016 08:41:12 Subject: [Shop-talk] How NOT to buff a REALLY sharp knife Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============6386633441804282128== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004DD9BB85257F5D_= OK, I'm looking for suggestions on how to SAFELY buff metal objects (like knives.) I started making knives. So I bought a really nice 3/4HP Baldor buffer. I've used buffers like this before, normally BEFORE the knife has been sharpened. However, I was redoing the handle on a knife I already sharpened. Let's just say, 'things got away from me.' 11 stitches later, I'm looking for suggestions. I need a way to hold the blade edge of a knife when working on it. In the past, I've taped the edge, but this was so sharp, it wouldn't have helped. I've searched online, but I can't find anything to help. I was thinking of a wooden 'sheath' like clamp to put the blade in. Any Ideas? BTW, if you want to see photos (or you want help losing our appetite, here are a few photos of the damage.) Note, I didn't drop the knife! http://tinyurl.com/thumbouch Thanks in advance Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 004DD9BB85257F5D_= OK, I'm looking for suggestions on how to SAFELY buff metal objects (like knives.)

I started making knives.  So I bought a really nice 3/4HP Baldor buffer.  I've used buffers like this before, normally BEFORE the knife has been sharpened.  However, I was redoing the handle on  a knife I already sharpened.  Let's just say, 'things got away from me.'

11 stitches later, I'm looking for suggestions.  I need a way to hold the blade edge of a knife when working on it. In the past, I've taped the edge, but this was so sharp, it wouldn't have helped.

I've searched online, but I can't find anything to help.  I was thinking of a wooden 'sheath' like clamp to put the blade in.

Any Ideas?

BTW, if you want to see photos (or you want help losing our appetite, here are a few photos of the damage.)  Note, I didn't drop the knife!

http://tinyurl.com/thumbouch

Thanks in advance


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Eric P
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 004DD9BB85257F5D_=-- --===============6386633441804282128== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============6386633441804282128==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 18 09:56:49 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B346F2587800 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 09:56:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wm0-f45.google.com (mail-wm0-f45.google.com [74.125.82.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026482587736 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 09:56:41 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wm0-f45.google.com with SMTP id a4so34856309wme.1 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 09:02:08 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=c5dJQNUSufHpoYVuho0JeOQZqmBV7X+oAohSLEEr5ik=; b=j3p3wv0aIGRWzgqGYoo7y/au3UmZOXG7u/XFicTyxoACIXhNyzrCY2IVlI49ASbP/T 1J3vFNhzAWR4nZXJ/DvtcAdcMf2Syl5dDUDU1ZyE3hs0kn4BLfY4zrXTYaEkJTCCdBGi O5NvAI8wCim/yEncNZCmbwouxCF1Lwk65sSOG3+S+l42JUx25U2z4kevB4G+gkIQ6eEz ZF2hQC/yok8faIHrrhHCHYWlYeK/bbVPgEfjMIvTzHtyLj1YDby8dkLuzT3NkqwY2NIF IELFUAqQiY5Fl1sD4Us056EHbe1Up65jtPtjYrTGbD0ifcR3FjR7RIPY2NgE5rqO/2a8 CEaQ== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=c5dJQNUSufHpoYVuho0JeOQZqmBV7X+oAohSLEEr5ik=; b=ioqlidWfQEuxja2QjofZSFWxCGPI5OY0hz5T10Cen/5qjgTsxVvB9Xbll+qMkW86uA NJhtrLDfeo1Xa4HmeGPilmluioKzw0UA+KX2KjcWPplFAieYM7Sm67ZZT3BrVPpB2xei aG94/XuWpdlk9FlZl0Ld0zKtjL/vBH9k8YlMI894N/TlpQJhOwhyMyKFCIXnRnyv9N2Q 7A/gW6I7+U8cbu2JYfh/teYqy117uVoOt1h5j07/KQSjpVNO0nfpC7eGpP/u6v56/IEx jSrW923XqalOBOWs+8N7MBftHMXknuLEz4OqaRmc4LdcDQw+tlVksbhHrk+dsojNRyp0 rChw== Thu, 18 Feb 2016 09:02:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.171.78 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 09:02:07 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 11:02:07 -0600 From: David Scheidt To: "eric@megageek.com" Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Vacuums Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 7:11 AM, wrote: > So I was thinking of adding a wall mount garage vacuum like one of these... > > http://www.amazon.com/Hoover-ProGrade-Garage-Utility-L2310/dp/B000289920/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455802332&sr=8-1&keywords=guv > > or > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003R3JFJO/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2Q4QONC3A3JBV&coliid=IGUX6ER9MU71G > > Problem is, the reviews seem to vary saying they don't have great suction. > > Then I was thinking of just getting a 20' section of hose for a standard > shop vac... > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I5WETYI/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2Q4QONC3A3JBV&coliid=I1D9CR71UI84ZG > > But I was wondering if the length causes the drop in suction. > Length of hose doesn't help, of course. But real car vaccums -- like at a car wash -- are really powerful. The one at the garage I used to run had three 2-hp motors, and boy did it suck stuff up. It was made by Adams, who make lots of the ones you see at places like that. They're expensive, but they last forever, and everything that wears out is replaceable or servicable, so there's probably a used market for them. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 18 13:12:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2DA325880EB for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 13:12:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from haybaler.sackheads.org (haybaler.sackheads.org [136.248.123.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4032588073 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 13:11:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) by haybaler.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05EF2862B for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 15:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from haybaler.sackheads.org ([136.248.123.228]) by localhost (haybaler.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CLXIWa2v-ir7 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 15:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by haybaler.sackheads.org (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9C4E628626; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 15:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [9.51.66.28] (unknown [32.97.110.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by haybaler.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BB728426 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 15:17:22 -0500 (EST) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Jimmie Mayfield Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 15:17:21 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How NOT to buff a REALLY sharp knife Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1943439965700563275== boundary="------------040507090303040602020407" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040507090303040602020407 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. My pole saw blade has a stout leather scabbard. Perhaps you could hack together something similar using rawhide? Image here: http://www.americantreeservicesupply.com/files/2443767/uploaded/Extended%20Reach%20Pole%20Saw%20Blade%20Scabbard1.jpg On 02/18/2016 08:41 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, I'm looking for suggestions on how to SAFELY buff metal objects > (like knives.) > > I started making knives. So I bought a really nice 3/4HP Baldor > buffer. I've used buffers like this before, normally BEFORE the knife > has been sharpened. However, I was redoing the handle on a knife I > already sharpened. Let's just say, 'things got away from me.' > > 11 stitches later, I'm looking for suggestions. I need a way to hold > the blade edge of a knife when working on it. In the past, I've taped > the edge, but this was so sharp, it wouldn't have helped. > > I've searched online, but I can't find anything to help. I was > thinking of a wooden 'sheath' like clamp to put the blade in. > --------------040507090303040602020407 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi.  My pole saw blade has a stout leather scabbard.  Perhaps you could hack together something similar using rawhide?

Image here: http://www.americantreeservicesupply.com/files/2443767/uploaded/Extended%20Reach%20Pole%20Saw%20Blade%20Scabbard1.jpg



On 02/18/2016 08:41 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:
OK, I'm looking for suggestions on how to SAFELY buff metal objects (like knives.)

I started making knives.  So I bought a really nice 3/4HP Baldor buffer.  I've used buffers like this before, normally BEFORE the knife has been sharpened.  However, I was redoing the handle on  a knife I already sharpened.  Let's just say, 'things got away from me.'

11 stitches later, I'm looking for suggestions.  I need a way to hold the blade edge of a knife when working on it. In the past, I've taped the edge, but this was so sharp, it wouldn't have helped.

I've searched online, but I can't find anything to help.  I was thinking of a wooden 'sheath' like clamp to put the blade in.


--------------040507090303040602020407-- --===============1943439965700563275== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============1943439965700563275==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 18 13:25:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412632587F27 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 13:25:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF867258764A for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 13:25:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-44c2b54e.dyn.optonline.net [68.194.181.78]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0O2R004ZEFO0A8D0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 15:31:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 15:30:16 -0500 From: Steven Trovato To: eric@megageek.com, shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Vacuums Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric, My house has a central vacuum system, and the unit is located in the garage. It actually looks a lot like the pictures in your links. There is an inlet at the main unit. This serves as my garage vacuum for things like the car carpets. I bought a second hose that I keep in the garage, so I don't have to go upstairs and bring that one down. That way I also don't track dirt that clings to the outside of the hose through the rest of the house. I also have a big shop vac that I use for wet stuff and vacuuming up big stuff that wouldn't fit through the regular hose. My biggest complaint with the central vac unit is that it is very loud in the garage. This may be OK, depending on how much you will be using it and how sensitive you are to such things. -Steve _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 18 13:59:38 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2D025881F4 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 13:59:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wm0-f50.google.com (mail-wm0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3989E25880ED for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 13:59:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wm0-f50.google.com with SMTP id g62so42927084wme.0 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 13:04:59 -0800 (PST) d=dougbraun.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=xOYQ04Vz0qzujVo2UD6FBizEAO4+3ezsb/Qc441r6zw=; b=JAeVppXPB5jUu8N/r+jHZg7bUhyBzybtu6GUTDzRi2F1a2qe4vrZ67s5hpGlSon0ZH mQld9a/iSgBfYcTkC36kR6sRsYw4AgEWKLJVy6AB+Ali/vujl+OYxRbSxt/FhJzDlBJk 58sCGNe0+XJSFPY/8zBwErwM4D9iEiaWTfUHc= d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=xOYQ04Vz0qzujVo2UD6FBizEAO4+3ezsb/Qc441r6zw=; b=HZxMoNulHZ7PRIq/31fSENASMDZbik1cv2ui7NPbNeHcCo8VktgdbSmsePtJOO4Lw4 8Ifv0f2NN3oIOHJT0lcd3yIJAQqaOO1LJJxFv8pdfW2i63u3qd45U14gEGmGN80zdwA4 OXF6faV7E2hyjYwKscxWk2y1ic24KnvwySo41ZL0gtNmuGz5VYOKm42+gnkO2KgPXka/ vya+1De4Dq/9d2II38JauPJ9MgsIcGVeglaUMtDMO7MDAjhIEYWkVWAHYl0fOc/DJmG7 9do2yMZL2zb56g0ro0NtnltHgQjBGdpeiAJuiWREdgKfkTRkJWfKixo7k5yY9TzI9isU X6rg== Thu, 18 Feb 2016 13:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.28.159.13 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 13:04:58 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:04:58 -0500 From: Doug Braun To: eric@megageek.com Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Vacuums Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8364247499517583212== --001a1144378a2425c0052c11b824 I have one of these: http://www.sears.com/craftsman-remote-control-wall-mount-5.0-peak-hp/p-00916825000P Like the other wall-mounted units, it has a long skinny hose, so the suction is a bit weak. But it can easily be unhooked from the wall and carried to some other place to be used. Also, it has remote-control on/off buttons at the end of the hose, which is very handy. It is fairly quiet. Doug On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 8:11 AM, wrote: > So I was thinking of adding a wall mount garage vacuum like one of these... > > > --001a1144378a2425c0052c11b824 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have one of these:
Like the other wall-mounted units, it has= a long skinny hose, so the suction is a bit weak.
But it can= easily be unhooked from the wall and carried to some other place to be use= d.
Also, it has remote-control on/off buttons at the end of t= he hose, which is very handy.
It is fairly quiet.

Doug=

On= Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 8:11 AM, <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
So I was thinking of adding a wall mount garage vacuum like one of these...



--001a1144378a2425c0052c11b824-- --===============8364247499517583212== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============8364247499517583212==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 18 14:47:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBBF258823C for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 14:47:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D67B2588219 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 14:47:04 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:22:26 -0500 02/18/2016 16:23:10, Serialize complete at 02/18/2016 16:23:10 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Vacuums Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2145510024774111584== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00782A6985257F5D_= Steve T. emailed me an answer and I have two follow up questions (sorry to post here, but his private email is bouncing back to me.) Steve... Thanks for the reply. Two quick questions- What make/model do you have? How long is the hose? Thanks again. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 00782A6985257F5D_= Steve T. emailed me an answer and I have two follow up questions (sorry to post here, but his private email is bouncing back to me.)

Steve...
Thanks for the reply.

Two quick questions-
What make/model do you have?  How long is the hose?  

Thanks again.


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Eric P
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 00782A6985257F5D_=-- --===============2145510024774111584== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============2145510024774111584==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 18 16:09:44 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C6625882FA for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:09:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF70258818A for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:08:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-44c2b54e.dyn.optonline.net [68.194.181.78]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0O2R0032TN80K2F0@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 18:14:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 18:12:16 -0500 From: Steven Trovato To: eric@megageek.com, shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Vacuums Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2214347604033200034== boundary="Boundary_(ID_XTavCni0Mb+KUf49Dgehkg)" --Boundary_(ID_XTavCni0Mb+KUf49Dgehkg) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT That's weird. Email seems alive and well from this end. I haven't heard that from anyone else. The central vacuum system is made by Vacu-maid. It is 30 years old. While that speaks well for its durability, it also means that the exact model probably isn't going to help you much. I will check on that and the hose length and get back to you. -Steve At 04:22 PM 2/18/2016, eric@megageek.com wrote: >Steve T. emailed me an answer and I have two follow up questions >(sorry to post here, but his private email is bouncing back to me.) > >Steve... >Thanks for the reply. > >Two quick questions- >What make/model do you have? How long is the hose? > >Thanks again. > > >Sent from my --Boundary_(ID_XTavCni0Mb+KUf49Dgehkg) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT That's weird.  Email seems alive and well from this end.  I haven't heard that from anyone else.  The central vacuum system is made by Vacu-maid.  It is 30 years old.  While that speaks well for its durability, it also means that the exact model probably isn't going to help you much.  I will check on that and the hose length and get back to you.

-Steve

At 04:22 PM 2/18/2016, eric@megageek.com wrote:
Steve T. emailed me an answer and I have two follow up questions (sorry to post here, but his private email is bouncing back to me.)

Steve...
Thanks for the reply.

Two quick questions-
What make/model do you have?  How long is the hose? 

Thanks again.


Sent from my
--Boundary_(ID_XTavCni0Mb+KUf49Dgehkg)-- --===============2214347604033200034== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============2214347604033200034==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 18 16:34:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA76825884F4 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:34:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DEE25884DA for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:34:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-44c2b54e.dyn.optonline.net [68.194.181.78]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0O2R00JYKOEFUY70@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 18:39:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 18:29:54 -0500 From: Steven Trovato To: eric@megageek.com, shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: <0O2R0032VN80K2F0@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Vacuums Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, the model is P-125 and the hose is about 32 feet long. The hose fittings screw on to the spiral of the hose, so I really could have bought any length of hose I wanted, within reason, of course. Keep in mind, I believe the central vac units are a lot more expensive than the garage vacuum products you were looking at. I didn't go out and buy it for the garage. It was installed as part of the central vacuum system in my house. -Steve At 06:12 PM 2/18/2016, Steven Trovato wrote: >That's weird. Email seems alive and well from this end. I haven't >heard that from anyone else. The central vacuum system is made by >Vacu-maid. It is 30 years old. While that speaks well for its >durability, it also means that the exact model probably isn't going >to help you much. I will check on that and the hose length and get >back to you. > >-Steve _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 18 17:34:36 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4404258659B for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 17:34:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E7A2258659B for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 17:34:23 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=WvuhcUiTLUTmCmfO4jz/I8kw9tFsclp41VfvUmGBGkq191RPQc2p0pwAE7rdtFa1; h=Received:From:Subject:To:References:Cc:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.9.96] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1aWZ6n-00011W-M2; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 19:39:45 -0500 From: Brian Kemp To: Steven Trovato References: <0O2R004ZFFO0A8D0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:38:51 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Vacuums Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Steve - I don't like noise either. If your central vac doesn't exhaust to outside, consider routing the exhaust outside. That takes much of the noise away. You can also buy or make a muffler for the exhaust on many central or shop vacs. Search "shop vac muffler" or "central vac muffler". Brian On 2/18/2016 12:30 PM, Steven Trovato wrote: > Eric, > > ... My biggest complaint with the central vac > unit is that it is very loud in the garage. This may be OK, depending > on how much you will be using it and how sensitive you are to such > things. > > -Steve _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 18 19:32:32 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA383258835A for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 19:32:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAB42588350 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 19:32:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-44c2b54e.dyn.optonline.net [68.194.181.78]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0O2R00AAZWMZU8A0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 21:37:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 21:36:51 -0500 From: Steven Trovato To: Brian Kemp References: <0O2R004ZFFO0A8D0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <56C6641B.2060100@earthlink.net> Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Vacuums Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net It does exhaust outside and there is a muffler. The noise I hear inside the garage is from the unit itself, not the exhaust. I think thirty years ago they didn't do much to reduce noise. Perhaps the new ones are better. -Steve At 07:38 PM 2/18/2016, Brian Kemp wrote: >Steve - I don't like noise either. If your central vac doesn't >exhaust to outside, consider routing the exhaust outside. That >takes much of the noise away. You can also buy or make a muffler >for the exhaust on many central or shop vacs. Search "shop vac >muffler" or "central vac muffler". > >Brian _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 18 19:55:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE872588538 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 19:55:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5DD25884FF for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 19:55:11 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=RVx1TsaFAAAA:8 a=7kmFGrrOAAAA:8 a=1K2LFCa6tEnCnzwKpu8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=kBrIehX-qSAA:10 a=PTqzXaEvVsYA:10 a=4hN3tginVNGhsRmjB_kA:9 a=yfHfDByycMD3coZe:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=cuYswfwgXKgA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp03.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:55284] helo=EricJRussellPC) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPA id 2B/35-11316-65586C65; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 22:00:38 -0500 From: "Eric J Russell" To: "shop-talk" , References: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 22:00:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Vacuums Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0847606222787608439== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0113_01D16A97.C947D8F0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0113_01D16A97.C947D8F0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've got a wall mount shop vac. Medium long hose (web page says 18'). I = like it. It reaches most of my work space and is easily detachable to = carry out to the driveway to clean cars that don't get to come inside = the garage.=20 https://www.shopvac.com/wet-dry-vacs/vac-details.aspx?vacId=3D368&vacSKU=3D= 394-20-00=20 I have it attached to the side of my (homemade) blasting cabinet. The = hose from the blasting cabinet is routed first through a Dust Deputy = cyclone separator so not a lot of dust/grit gets to the shop vac.=20 http://www.oneida-air.com/category.asp?Id=3D{CC6B6F2A-E3D7-4F18-A53C-B5C3= 57DFE131}=20 Eric Russell Mebane, NC ------=_NextPart_000_0113_01D16A97.C947D8F0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've got a wall mount shop vac. Medium = long hose=20 (web page says 18'). I like it. It reaches most of my work space and is = easily=20 detachable to carry out to the driveway to clean cars that don't get to = come=20 inside the garage.
 
https://www.shopvac.com/wet-dry-vacs/vac-details= .aspx?vacId=3D368&vacSKU=3D394-20-00 
 
I have it attached to the side of = my =20 (homemade) blasting cabinet. The hose from the blasting cabinet is = routed first=20 through a Dust Deputy cyclone separator so not a lot of dust/grit gets = to the=20 shop vac.
 
http://www.oneida-air.com/category.asp?Id=3D{CC6B6F2A-E= 3D7-4F18-A53C-B5C357DFE131}=20
 
Eric Russell
Mebane, NC
------=_NextPart_000_0113_01D16A97.C947D8F0-- --===============0847606222787608439== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============0847606222787608439==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 20 08:56:55 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB83525880CE for ; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 08:56:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BAY004-OMC4S10.hotmail.com (bay004-omc4s10.hotmail.com [65.54.190.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711882587824 for ; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 08:56:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from NAM03-BY2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.54.190.200]) by BAY004-OMC4S10.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Sat, 20 Feb 2016 08:02:12 -0800 Received: from BY2NAM03FT055.eop-NAM03.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.84.54) by BY2NAM03HT195.eop-NAM03.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.85.165) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.415.6; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:02:11 +0000 Received: from CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.152.84.51) by BY2NAM03FT055.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.85.245) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.415.6 via Frontend Transport; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:02:10 +0000 Received: from CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.70.145]) by CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.70.145]) with mapi id 15.01.0415.018; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:02:10 +0000 From: "Tim ." To: "Shop Talk" Thread-Topic: Spot Weld Cutters Thread-Index: AQHRa/fgh2E/hUnrwEyX+SJzgEHpdw== Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:02:10 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US authentication-results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 25.152.84.51) header.d=none; autox.team.net; dmarc=fail action=none header.from=outlook.com; received-spf: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning outlook.com discourages use of 25.152.84.51 as permitted sender) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [gKhpr5Mufhw9GoTjy8p7dT4TCwBJD9kG] x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:25.152.84.51; CTRY:GB; IPV:NLI; EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(98900003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2NAM03HT195; H:CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:SoftFail; MLV:ovrnspm; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 6c452cce-6c22-4943-bb19-08d33a0f30a8 x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(5061506196)(5061507196); SRVR:BY2NAM03HT195; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:BY2NAM03HT195; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BY2NAM03HT195; x-forefront-prvs: 0858FF8026 FILETIME=[0F4CD510:01D16BF8] Subject: [Shop-talk] Spot Weld Cutters Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6933019254128860031== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_CY1PR13MB0503CE895CC45815E56BF324B4A10CY1PR13MB0503namp_" --_000_CY1PR13MB0503CE895CC45815E56BF324B4A10CY1PR13MB0503namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any one have a favorite? I have a Roadster tub I need to get out of my shop= . I'd like to do as little damage as possible and save as much of the parts= as I can. Thanks tim --_000_CY1PR13MB0503CE895CC45815E56BF324B4A10CY1PR13MB0503namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Any one have a favorite? I have a Roadster tub I need to get out of my s= hop. I'd like to do as little damage as possible and save as much of the pa= rts as I can.

Thanks

tim

--_000_CY1PR13MB0503CE895CC45815E56BF324B4A10CY1PR13MB0503namp_-- --===============6933019254128860031== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============6933019254128860031==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 20 09:31:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2442587E4F for ; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:31:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC4S36.hotmail.com (blu004-omc4s36.hotmail.com [65.55.111.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5B62587E4F for ; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:31:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.55.111.136]) by BLU004-OMC4S36.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Sat, 20 Feb 2016 08:37:09 -0800 Received: from DM3PR20MB0619.namprd20.prod.outlook.com (10.164.250.25) by DM3PR20MB0617.namprd20.prod.outlook.com (10.164.250.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.409.15; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:37:08 +0000 Received: from DM3PR20MB0619.namprd20.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.250.25]) by DM3PR20MB0619.namprd20.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.250.25]) with mapi id 15.01.0409.017; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:37:08 +0000 From: Brian and Wendy To: "Tim ." , "Shop Talk" Thread-Topic: Spot Weld Cutters Thread-Index: AQHRa/fgh2E/hUnrwEyX+SJzgEHpd581Id7t Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:37:08 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US header.d=none;outlook.com; dmarc=none action=none header.from=msn.com; x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [xS6KQRCBl9y8YclED6ctsd7IFqxrOzd9] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; DM3PR20MB0617; 23:fXVqJhrWLI+QMtvudMxlumWldI2PBC2uyMMgTeTlijUQPO7xZ7hRN/YCzAA6j/h70GvhP5cWG6EZnbMbx3A3vWO1NNi+j2dRepU7jafgaaNwa6y4EhU5DS2DscI2YVLiwQMBKJKubEAU9fcDdmm8xn7ag0PghWQR/HLLd3oLKlO9YoF/fSSHL/8oBKQvM9DyX9+0pHl4grk03Y0sMN8r7w==; 5:guZGFOdSCGeyhWTr2jdIIO42CB3r4Iwjiyivgg5dhMK7KBWqNRSaxbZ09L5HO9Uu8+h+iTnpGBsMu+nulqVXphxTqr3Im9r3V9tSA68luBVyu5jek4FtzJZD/XWCHAXD35V+MjyjNnMUHeiS9Zuyvw==; 24:6QWybbBSP3JSld15biE6d9IQqpvW1FkoN5PGZOIfiy/rmWd9/ghis1T74RnoSM5v7aHyf9bnRtac+i4wch2+Yyqwf6iNs30rPm08oXgN4FA= x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DM3PR20MB0617; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 23c71010-8d46-45df-1bbc-08d33a141327 x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:DM3PR20MB0617; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:DM3PR20MB0617; x-forefront-prvs: 0858FF8026 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(7070004)(98900003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1901; SCL:1; SRVR:DM3PR20MB0617; H:DM3PR20MB0619.namprd20.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:ovrnspm; LANG:en; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM FILETIME=[F16F9F50:01D16BFC] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Spot Weld Cutters Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6594853048664641891== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_DM3PR20MB061927250EC8F1B0C04FCF44BBA10DM3PR20MB0619namp_" --_000_DM3PR20MB061927250EC8F1B0C04FCF44BBA10DM3PR20MB0619namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use the Blair double end Spot Weld cutters. I think they work pretty well= . Brian ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Tim . Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 9:02 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Spot Weld Cutters Any one have a favorite? I have a Roadster tub I need to get out of my shop= . I'd like to do as little damage as possible and save as much of the parts= as I can. Thanks tim --_000_DM3PR20MB061927250EC8F1B0C04FCF44BBA10DM3PR20MB0619namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


I use the Blair double end Spot Weld cutters. I think they work pretty w= ell.


Brian



From: Shop-talk <shop-= talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@ou= tlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 9:02 AM
To: Shop Talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] Spot Weld Cutters
 

Any one have a favorite? I have a Roadster tub I need to get out of my s= hop. I'd like to do as little damage as possible and save as much of the pa= rts as I can.

Thanks

tim

--_000_DM3PR20MB061927250EC8F1B0C04FCF44BBA10DM3PR20MB0619namp_-- --===============6594853048664641891== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============6594853048664641891==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 27 17:50:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D228E2586BB5 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 17:50:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC4S7.hotmail.com (blu004-omc4s7.hotmail.com [65.55.111.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF2C2586A5D for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 17:50:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from NAM03-BY2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.55.111.135]) by BLU004-OMC4S7.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Sat, 27 Feb 2016 16:56:11 -0800 Received: from BY2NAM03FT021.eop-NAM03.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.84.59) by BY2NAM03HT198.eop-NAM03.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.85.249) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.427.7; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 00:56:01 +0000 Received: from CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.152.84.59) by BY2NAM03FT021.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.84.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.427.7 via Frontend Transport; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 00:56:01 +0000 Received: from CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.70.145]) by CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.70.145]) with mapi id 15.01.0427.015; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 00:56:00 +0000 From: "Tim ." To: "Shop Talk" Thread-Topic: tracing an oil leak Thread-Index: AQHRccLIgXYcPAuTg0iYHSZYU0xTIA== Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 00:56:00 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US authentication-results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 25.152.84.59) header.d=none; autox.team.net; dmarc=fail action=none header.from=outlook.com; received-spf: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning outlook.com discourages use of 25.152.84.59 as permitted sender) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [ej/D7lppEP6TcpMXvOnrcB01o1srTRFu] x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:25.152.84.59; CTRY:GB; IPV:NLI; EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(98900003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2NAM03HT198; H:CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:SoftFail; MLV:ovrnspm; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 1a19ea0d-67f5-483c-3eba-08d33fd9ed1f x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(5061506196)(5061507196); SRVR:BY2NAM03HT198; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:BY2NAM03HT198; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BY2NAM03HT198; x-forefront-prvs: 08660C8631 FILETIME=[D0D43FA0:01D171C2] Subject: [Shop-talk] tracing an oil leak Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8734656537757263786== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_CY1PR13MB0503CD87428655EE80CCD3F2B4B90CY1PR13MB0503namp_" --_000_CY1PR13MB0503CD87428655EE80CCD3F2B4B90CY1PR13MB0503namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How would a mechanic trace an oil leak if they --_000_CY1PR13MB0503CD87428655EE80CCD3F2B4B90CY1PR13MB0503namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How would a mechanic trace an oil leak if they 

--_000_CY1PR13MB0503CD87428655EE80CCD3F2B4B90CY1PR13MB0503namp_-- --===============8734656537757263786== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============8734656537757263786==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 27 17:54:44 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C7D2586F9F for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 17:54:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BAY004-OMC3S8.hotmail.com (bay004-omc3s8.hotmail.com [65.54.190.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04A82586CE2 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 17:54:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from NAM01-BN3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.54.190.188]) by BAY004-OMC3S8.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Sat, 27 Feb 2016 17:00:14 -0800 Received: from BN3NAM01FT060.eop-nam01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.66.51) by BN3NAM01HT104.eop-nam01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.67.3) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.422.5; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 01:00:13 +0000 Received: from CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.152.66.57) by BN3NAM01FT060.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.66.201) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.422.5 via Frontend Transport; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 01:00:13 +0000 Received: from CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.70.145]) by CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.70.145]) with mapi id 15.01.0427.015; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 01:00:12 +0000 From: "Tim ." To: "Shop Talk" Thread-Topic: tracing an oil leak Thread-Index: AQHRccLIgXYcPAuTg0iYHSZYU0xTIJ9AoiM3 Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 01:00:12 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US authentication-results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 25.152.66.57) header.d=none; autox.team.net; dmarc=fail action=none header.from=outlook.com; received-spf: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning outlook.com discourages use of 25.152.66.57 as permitted sender) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [pE5kn9lmam12tlrjhUZiGnoMa3lEqohO] x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:25.152.66.57; CTRY:GB; IPV:NLI; EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(98900003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BN3NAM01HT104; H:CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:SoftFail; MLV:ovrnspm; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 60e78307-6a3f-445b-f885-08d33fda8367 x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(5061506196)(5061507196); SRVR:BN3NAM01HT104; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:BN3NAM01HT104; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BN3NAM01HT104; x-forefront-prvs: 08660C8631 FILETIME=[620E70D0:01D171C3] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tracing an oil leak Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3824839261255312624== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_CY1PR13MB050329D19D7BB83A4608AB67B4B90CY1PR13MB0503namp_" --_000_CY1PR13MB050329D19D7BB83A4608AB67B4B90CY1PR13MB0503namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable try this again...... My youngest daughter has an oil leak in a late model Monte Carlo that it be= yond my limited skills. She lives in St. Paul which is several hours from "= home". How would a mechanic trace an oil leak if they cannot visually see it? I am= worried that she will get taken advantage of and would like to try to educ= ate her enough so she knows how to talk to the mechanic she uses. Thanks! tim --_000_CY1PR13MB050329D19D7BB83A4608AB67B4B90CY1PR13MB0503namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

try this again......

 
My youngest daughter has an oil leak in a late model Monte C= arlo that it beyond my limited skills. She lives in St. Paul which is several hours from "= ;home". 

How would a mechanic trace an oil leak if they can= not visually see it? I am worried that she will get taken advantage of and would like to try to educate her enoug= h so she knows how to talk to the mechanic she uses. 

Thanks!
tim
--_000_CY1PR13MB050329D19D7BB83A4608AB67B4B90CY1PR13MB0503namp_-- --===============3824839261255312624== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============3824839261255312624==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 27 18:29:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04481258757B for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 18:29:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2C625850DC for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 18:28:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-4353196c.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.25.108]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0O3800DKZHPBFX70@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 20:34:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 20:34:11 -0500 From: Steven Trovato To: "Tim ." , Shop Talk References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tracing an oil leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net There are UV dyes that can be added to the oil, followed by inspection with a UV light. Mechanics also tend to get familiar with the common engines out there. Sometimes before they even pop the hood they will know where the leak is. -Steve At 08:00 PM 2/27/2016, Tim . wrote: >Content-Language: en-US >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > >boundary="_000_CY1PR13MB050329D19D7BB83A4608AB67B4B90CY1PR13MB0503namp_" > >try this again...... > >My youngest daughter has an oil leak in a late model Monte Carlo >that it beyond my limited skills. She lives in St. Paul which is >several hours from "home". > >How would a mechanic trace an oil leak if they cannot visually see >it? I am worried that she will get taken advantage of and would like >to try to educate her enough so she knows how to talk to the >mechanic she uses. > >Thanks! >tim >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/strovato@optonline.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 27 18:38:02 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E207C2587580 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 18:38:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EBB25861DE for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 18:37:57 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=abGQ1uS49_bEbqF8NoUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:57862] helo=EricJRussellPC) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPA id E5/AB-09181-3C052D65; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 20:43:32 -0500 From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Tim ." , "Shop Talk" References: Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 20:43:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tracing an oil leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Real mechanics might add a UV dye, run the engine and use a UV light to try to locate the leak. I'd clean off any suspect areas, dry them and dust some baby powder on the areas. That helps reveal small leaks. And of course you have to take gravity & air flow into account and work backwards to find the source. I've also held a sheet of clean white paper near any suspect areas. That helps reveal a fine oil mist that might otherwise be difficult to see. How significant is the oil leak? You can buy a lot of oil for what it might cost to find & fix a small leak. But your daughter would have to check/add oil regularly. Eric Russell Mebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- My youngest daughter has an oil leak in a late model Monte Carlo that it beyond my limited skills. She lives in St. Paul which is several hours from "home". How would a mechanic trace an oil leak if they cannot visually see it? I am worried that she will get taken advantage of and would like to try to educate her enough so she knows how to talk to the mechanic she uses. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 28 06:00:58 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A32B2586043 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 06:00:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io0-f175.google.com (mail-io0-f175.google.com [209.85.223.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266E12585AB4 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 06:00:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-io0-f175.google.com with SMTP id g203so162408984iof.2 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 05:06:04 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:thread-index:content-language; bh=V4UbfO1y0qV0k1wIUXY7V55iEx0uwk04RYS7y4b6fjQ=; b=IrkAe6fgwEWWaSzEHfLHgy3mGuNeTQOWHI4jRg80fmZDEdc+o0h3a0qx2X/LovGowm OF98uc8VMjX+q+NbjNXD55vRgG6MvuqHGUnltrL/xUluN2gj5VqD/IdN5qfUNiDCupak 9eEjss+AdL+A4x0bs+mZnAbi/SBAlvEWk26V4ZaaXGl7TAtO+VVoUwR6qG8GmrMWDyjN 18IU2+tWIJ9Fw4PgjOPk1Z1SM8wNsHcZcie4Cga0LW5qaWt5mNg9uRBxwG7ZfSQatAtA /Ob0gm4ChGuVqxTl9wQbMx0RK6lm59K0z5/xaweAu1Ai1Uk9lmkDG4BEzkdy8PKz1rQb E2QQ== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=V4UbfO1y0qV0k1wIUXY7V55iEx0uwk04RYS7y4b6fjQ=; b=ejuFu/BP1pPtMKiN2FxsQNkQWR9r0WtE/7M8Lcnk2hGv2CNfm9sHwcuAsO+CasKk9u jmsGlnGzfPk1U6xKozWkrjPBLOkr1lXsu+Ak9ex0sv6KBXgWwZ8WaMbsDI2q2jYs4AdF TwFFzwUvz0eti0JFjpoWP6geTSLRDgn8wRlEPRNVmzF3DgwgT4TwAkt0hG5KvfwfrMMl 7UROurKHXu61sInN8yX0Vag4q4/eJAMkCfrFTGHDn7p5mECftNiwQ3E7gEw3uR43iLqf rALLRHKIkhs43OBWwc2wxhcbvh4TDZjT86H/TSf88vK6ycu/bqW+eeWgfmxCkK6rVQah qOeQ== Sun, 28 Feb 2016 05:06:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from KarlIntel ([2601:243:0:ad5:206e:984:bec6:752]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f14sm9013293ioi.20.2016.02.28.05.06.03 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Feb 2016 05:06:03 -0800 (PST) From: Karl Vacek To: "'Shop Talk'" References: Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 07:06:06 -0600 Thread-Index: AQJ79ntq7+0pmfMQ60TQMBBB8S20XwJR3gGmAb4nnoOdy+Lk0A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tracing an oil leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Oil without any UV dyes will actually fluoresce under UV light anyway. The dyes make it fluoresce brighter, but in shade or dark a decent UV light source will show plain engine oil just fine. Here's a great UV light I bought from Amazon. Machined aluminum, bright, and inexpensive. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007SIR08C?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_ search_detailpage Karl ----- Original Message ----- My youngest daughter has an oil leak in a late model Monte Carlo that it beyond my limited skills. She lives in St. Paul which is several hours from "home". How would a mechanic trace an oil leak if they cannot visually see it? I am worried that she will get taken advantage of and would like to try to educate her enough so she knows how to talk to the mechanic she uses. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 28 11:38:33 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3DA2585ABA for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 11:38:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5ADB25851AD for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 11:38:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo110.cox.net ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20160228184354.JMBN30397.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo110.cox.net> for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 13:43:54 -0500 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.213.227]) by eastrmimpo110.cox.net with cox id Puju1s0054uwYHU01uju0m; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 13:43:54 -0500 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 a=1uXzHskWtM6b6G3593e3IQ==:117 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=iVAur8Dain9WPuw0DX4A:9 a=bCXk5mtp_xWKJvmL:21 a=MPN0E1wWYTkciz19:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 13:44:16 -0500 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: "John T. Blair" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tracing an oil leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net >How would a mechanic trace an oil leak if they cannot visually see it? I am >worried that she will get taken advantage of and would like to try to educate her >enough so she knows how to talk to the mechanic she uses. Tim, In addition to what has been said, 1. A through cleaning of the enigine helps so you aren't looking at of the old crud. 2. I've used aerosol foot powder to spray an area of the engine where I tought the leak was coming from so I could see where it was running down. This is all fiine if its on the top of the engine, or possibly the front. If it's the rear main seal or some other items, you'll have to look under the car. She may want to park the car on a piece of cardboard so she can measure how far back from the front bumper it is. Then from under the car, measure that far back and look around. I've found some oil lead coming from very odd areas, like the mounting plate for the generator. One of the mount bolts was through an oil passage (be design). I've seem similar things around fuel pumps (but you probably talking about a fuel injected engine). The most obvious place is the valve cover. What does the are around that look like. Try tightening the bolts just a bit and see if that helps. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive