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x-forefront-prvs: 0270ED2845 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(346002)(39830400003)(396003)(366004)(376002)(136003)(199004)(189003)(186003)(64756008)(36756003)(66556008)(86362001)(5660300002)(66446008)(66476007)(66946007)(966005)(81156014)(81166006)(4744005)(26005)(44736005)(2906002)(6486002)(8676002)(1420700001)(16526019)(508600001)(71200400001)(2616005)(316002)(6916009)(9326002)(8936002)(6496006)(52116002)(956004); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BYAPR06MB5558; H:BYAPR06MB3973.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: corvairkid.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 8jKZQWCOVTcoKRbMDLT3QYA9KCzW/Su6VVn3YmMGnSszGj1Xu0fICVW5Yh17OVjvgl64jZhgOhxuMUlDov9zHYsExTSauDuxc2vh8/JVmHV57+Y4r4QoFt8Ga83BgbUM+18XShgvIKzjYTu1X7hXqDI8cZs+Cb4TYE+15BajtkFmojaxs++TQ5Haw0g/TC93Jb2GPFPA4vCQ/at+du0pnneWjBL/03OITkAPnoDRcQm+lUcP6XVL/Z8ReEvHQCb1iDYAZC2DT09cnp3bWU1djoro81i6wdekgKgAWGEpjIYEWmKjfPxiGj4YVi2adri2kAQfSjP8otmioll6ydyWpQc1yns7WHMES6l7iLXZzhNBf0b2RzcZ6K8NQidN98EQNdiCJ81z1qRJddk9P1QRn09kCbhZYI8RbP0Xd1dnJDrJ5AbJ0zh9INJ4G21XNEAabw5oLY1xyG8ycgn0J6gs9JdSvJsqeP9YaQPEgHyqTtE= x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Subject: [Shop-talk] Wanted: Socket rail clips From: Kent Sullivan via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3841582723514401100== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_007a01d5c137ddd05e0099711a00corvairkidcom_" --_000_007a01d5c137ddd05e0099711a00corvairkidcom_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, My older son got me all fixed up with a set of Carlyle (NAPA) socket rails = and clips for Christmas. Wouldn=92t you know that I am short 2 of the =BD= =94 drive clips? https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/CHQSR12RC They are only sold in bags of 25 or so=85 I really don=92t want to buy a wh= ole bag since the others will just go to waste. (What?! Yes, I am admitting= that my collection of sockets does not grow continually.) Anyone out there have a two extra of these? I have 10+ of the 3/8=94 size t= o offer anyone in need=85 Happy New Year, --Kent --_000_007a01d5c137ddd05e0099711a00corvairkidcom_ Content-ID: <039787925A1E5046BCF3B764DF318B66@namprd06.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

My older son got me all fixed up with a set of Carlyl= e (NAPA) socket rails and clips for Christmas. Wouldn=92t you know that I a= m short 2 of the =BD=94 drive clips?

 

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/CHQSR12RC

 

They are only sold in bags of 25 or so=85 I really do= n=92t want to buy a whole bag since the others will just go to waste. (What= ?! Yes, I am admitting that my collection of sockets does not grow continually.)

 

Anyone out there have a two extra of these? I have 10= + of the 3/8=94 size to offer anyone in need=85

 

Happy New Year,

 

--Kent

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Need some=20 metal working expertise.  I know there is  a simpler way to = notch=20 metal than what I=E2=80=99m using.  I had to fabricate a latch = thingy for a=20 neighbor using 3/8=E2=80=9D plate which required a rectangular notch to = be cut in the=20 plate about 3/4=E2=80=9D wide and 3=E2=80=9D deep.  I used a Metabo = grinder with a .040=20 cutting disc to cut the sides but how to cut the back end of the = notch.  I=20 thought about a saber saw with a metal blade but the notch was very = narrow and=20 it would have been difficult in that small area. Guess I could have used = a hole=20 saw at the back of the notch and then squared up with a file...
 
I = couldn=E2=80=99t=20 reach in the gap with a 4.5=E2=80=9D grinder to hog it out... finally I = drilled a number=20 of holes across the back line of the notch, broke out the slug and = finished it=20 with a file to make it square.  There has to be a better way.  = Can=E2=80=99t=20 find a hand tool to handle 3/8=E2=80=9D material and notching machines = aren=E2=80=99t in my=20 budget.. 
 
give me=20 some suggestions and options or ideas, that haven=E2=80=99t dawned on my = feeble old=20 brain !
 
john

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I'm not sure how helpful this will be, but when I work= ed in a machine shop and made similar, I used an endmill with the material = mounted vertical in a fixture.=C2=A0 If it was thin, I would sandwich it be= tween two sacrificial pieces of metal.=C2=A0 Absent an endmill, you may be = able to duplicate it with a drill=C2=A0press or possibly a router.=C2=A0 An= y excuse for a new tool!=C2=A0 Here are some ideas=C2=A0https://www= .google.com/search?q=3Drouter+mill+jig&oq=3Drouter+mill+jig&aqs=3Dc= hrome..69i57.3054j1j4&sourceid=3Dchrome&ie=3DUTF-8

On Sat, Jan 4= , 2020 at 10:26 AM john niolon via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Need som= e=20 metal working expertise.=C2=A0 I know there is=C2=A0 a simpler way to notch= =20 metal than what I=E2=80=99m using.=C2=A0 I had to fabricate a latch thingy = for a=20 neighbor using 3/8=E2=80=9D plate which required a rectangular notch to be = cut in the=20 plate about 3/4=E2=80=9D wide and 3=E2=80=9D deep.=C2=A0 I used a Metabo gr= inder with a .040=20 cutting disc to cut the sides but how to cut the back end of the notch.=C2= =A0 I=20 thought about a saber saw with a metal blade but the notch was very narrow = and=20 it would have been difficult in that small area. Guess I could have used a = hole=20 saw at the back of the notch and then squared up with a file...
=C2=A0
I couldn= =E2=80=99t=20 reach in the gap with a 4.5=E2=80=9D grinder to hog it out... finally I dri= lled a number=20 of holes across the back line of the notch, broke out the slug and finished= it=20 with a file to make it square.=C2=A0 There has to be a better way.=C2=A0 Ca= n=E2=80=99t=20 find a hand tool to handle 3/8=E2=80=9D material and notching machines aren= =E2=80=99t in my=20 budget..=C2=A0
=C2=A0
give me= =20 some suggestions and options or ideas, that haven=E2=80=99t dawned on my fe= eble old=20 brain !
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--0000000000000164d3059b532872-- --===============2558625296127807547== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2558625296127807547==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 4 09:56:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A94A0FF2 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2020 09:56:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17291801.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565D5A0E13 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2020 09:56:49 -0700 (MST) s=1a1hai; t=1578157006; bh=q1SmGH6INQp0jbml48JzwyeQ2nLXQQ+x+xllsIgWfvc=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=bfPO5y7CTs2ODgRSP2q4KvFLD7TaRD1PlmQzH8Sleov16gyuwhmvtzDn5/9E0jgnY yr/a2u7Vkqi0iC1q9KM9ImdN+gGW7VOKbkS2RqaSjpkIiAjHOn21iP8YhPtythAuoO D0N9G+oNqxjeThQMqmwPpwqwtx49FRr80sgKUDoy8ERhTs/1O9g2DmNCwPMlmph/Ih UoZNurQwHXcSPBovjOnl/TIKQtNQCIM09XHhund46HxjaAEyVeLsTcW1r3cPr+WU1S 0DWhCMYL3nkmoFYC0SqDLOABPPmrlD8Sa8su4rsQtqEWOZPD9M9i8jZdhwpQzygFn5 jzf37G0C7+XAQ== Received: from [192.168.88.55] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17291801.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 99155AC09EB; Sat, 4 Jan 2020 16:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 10:56:44 -0600 References: <7D49F48755C149679D1590FBA44A7E4B@Johnsdesktop> To: john niolon definitions=2020-01-04_04:, , signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-2001040159 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] notching metal From: Pat Horne via Shop-talk Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7685882232515933435== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-4FF40B51-029F-470A-8DE5-72A62D9333A8 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Easy, plasma cutter! John, this is not an easy task. I=E2=80=99d try a combination of methods. On= ce the sides are cut, holes are drilled & piece is broken off, grab the jig s= aw to clean out what=E2=80=99s left.=20 Is it crucial that the notch have a square bottom? If not just use a Large b= it to drill out a hole to give you a radiused slot bottom.=20 Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity > On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:27 AM, john niolon via Shop-talk wrote: >=20 =EF=BB=BF Need some metal working expertise. I know there is a simpler way to notch m= etal than what I=E2=80=99m using. I had to fabricate a latch thingy for a n= eighbor using 3/8=E2=80=9D plate which required a rectangular notch to be cu= t in the plate about 3/4=E2=80=9D wide and 3=E2=80=9D deep. I used a Metabo= grinder with a .040 cutting disc to cut the sides but how to cut the back e= nd of the notch. I thought about a saber saw with a metal blade but the not= ch was very narrow and it would have been difficult in that small area. Gues= s I could have used a hole saw at the back of the notch and then squared up w= ith a file... =20 I couldn=E2=80=99t reach in the gap with a 4.5=E2=80=9D grinder to hog it ou= t... finally I drilled a number of holes across the back line of the notch, b= roke out the slug and finished it with a file to make it square. There has t= o be a better way. Can=E2=80=99t find a hand tool to handle 3/8=E2=80=9D ma= terial and notching machines aren=E2=80=99t in my budget..=20 =20 give me some suggestions and options or ideas, that haven=E2=80=99t dawned o= n my feeble old brain ! =20 john https://jniolon.classicpickup.com/ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-4FF40B51-029F-470A-8DE5-72A62D9333A8 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Easy, plasma cutter!

Joh= n, this is not an easy task. I=E2=80=99d try a combination of methods. Once t= he sides are cut, holes are drilled & piece is broken off, grab the jig s= aw to clean out what=E2=80=99s left. 

Is it crucial t= hat the notch have a square bottom? If not just use a Large bit to drill out= a hole to give you a radiused slot bottom. 

Pa= t Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity

=

On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:27 AM, j= ohn niolon via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Need s= ome=20 metal working expertise.  I know there is  a simpler way to notch=20= metal than what I=E2=80=99m using.  I had to fabricate a latch thingy f= or a=20 neighbor using 3/8=E2=80=9D plate which required a rectangular notch to be c= ut in the=20 plate about 3/4=E2=80=9D wide and 3=E2=80=9D deep.  I used a Metabo gri= nder with a .040=20 cutting disc to cut the sides but how to cut the back end of the notch. = ; I=20 thought about a saber saw with a metal blade but the notch was very narrow a= nd=20 it would have been difficult in that small area. Guess I could have used a h= ole=20 saw at the back of the notch and then squared up with a file...
 = ;
I cou= ldn=E2=80=99t=20 reach in the gap with a 4.5=E2=80=9D grinder to hog it out... finally I dril= led a number=20 of holes across the back line of the notch, broke out the slug and finished i= t=20 with a file to make it square.  There has to be a better way.  Can= =E2=80=99t=20 find a hand tool to handle 3/8=E2=80=9D material and notching machines aren=E2= =80=99t in my=20 budget.. 
 = ;
give m= e=20 some suggestions and options or ideas, that haven=E2=80=99t dawned on my fee= ble old=20 brain !
 = ;
john<= /div>

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[67.82.105.23]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s26sm12602616qtc.43.2020.01.04.09.19.22 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 04 Jan 2020 09:19:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 12:19:19 -0500 References: <7D49F48755C149679D1590FBA44A7E4B@Johnsdesktop> <884400E4-6F37-4B56-A191-A2E818F3ED40@icloud.com> To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] notching metal From: Jim Stone via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2623125036379035214== boundary="Apple-Mail=_5A5DA631-FF04-416F-85F2-F4A828827AF8" --Apple-Mail=_5A5DA631-FF04-416F-85F2-F4A828827AF8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ve used a cutoff wheel in my Dremel before for smaller cuts, = finishing the corners with a jigsaw. 3/4=E2=80=9D is pretty narrow and = you might have to cut from both sides to get all the way through, but = the jigsaw cleanup should be pretty easy after that. Most Dremel = cutoffs I=E2=80=99ve tried are crap that break way too easily, but = I=E2=80=99ve had good luck with the EZ Lock wheels. = https://www.amazon.com/Dremel-EZ406-02-Cut-Off-Mandrel-Cutting/dp/B000FBLR= VA/ref=3Dsr_1_5?crid=3D117BCIAHMHP0P&keywords=3Ddremel+ez+lock+metal+cutti= ng+wheel&qid=3D1578158034&sprefix=3DDremel+e%2Caps%2C151&sr=3D8-5 = .=20 > On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:56 AM, Pat Horne via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 > Easy, plasma cutter! >=20 > John, this is not an easy task. I=E2=80=99d try a combination of = methods. Once the sides are cut, holes are drilled & piece is broken = off, grab the jig saw to clean out what=E2=80=99s left.=20 >=20 > Is it crucial that the notch have a square bottom? If not just use a = Large bit to drill out a hole to give you a radiused slot bottom.=20 >=20 > Pat Horne=20 > We support Habitat for Humanity >=20 >=20 >> On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:27 AM, john niolon via Shop-talk = wrote: >>=20 >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Need some metal working expertise. I know there is a simpler way to = notch metal than what I=E2=80=99m using. I had to fabricate a latch = thingy for a neighbor using 3/8=E2=80=9D plate which required a = rectangular notch to be cut in the plate about 3/4=E2=80=9D wide and = 3=E2=80=9D deep. I used a Metabo grinder with a .040 cutting disc to = cut the sides but how to cut the back end of the notch. I thought about = a saber saw with a metal blade but the notch was very narrow and it = would have been difficult in that small area. Guess I could have used a = hole saw at the back of the notch and then squared up with a file... > =20 > I couldn=E2=80=99t reach in the gap with a 4.5=E2=80=9D grinder to hog = it out... finally I drilled a number of holes across the back line of = the notch, broke out the slug and finished it with a file to make it = square. There has to be a better way. Can=E2=80=99t find a hand tool = to handle 3/8=E2=80=9D material and notching machines aren=E2=80=99t in = my budget..=20 > =20 > give me some suggestions and options or ideas, that haven=E2=80=99t = dawned on my feeble old brain ! > =20 > john >=20 > https://jniolon.classicpickup.com/ > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com = >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com = --Apple-Mail=_5A5DA631-FF04-416F-85F2-F4A828827AF8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ve used a cutoff wheel in my Dremel before for = smaller cuts, finishing the corners with a jigsaw.  3/4=E2=80=9D is = pretty narrow and you might have to cut from both sides to get all the = way through, but the jigsaw cleanup should be pretty easy after that. =  Most Dremel cutoffs I=E2=80=99ve tried are crap that break way too = easily, but I=E2=80=99ve had good luck with the EZ Lock wheels.  https://www.amazon.com/Dremel-EZ406-02-Cut-Off-Mandrel-Cutting/= dp/B000FBLRVA/ref=3Dsr_1_5?crid=3D117BCIAHMHP0P&keywords=3Ddremel+ez+l= ock+metal+cutting+wheel&qid=3D1578158034&sprefix=3DDremel+e%2Caps%= 2C151&sr=3D8-5. 

On Jan = 4, 2020, at 11:56 AM, Pat Horne via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

Easy, plasma cutter!

John, this is not an easy task. I=E2=80=99d try a = combination of methods. Once the sides are cut, holes are drilled & = piece is broken off, grab the jig saw to clean out what=E2=80=99s = left. 

Is it = crucial that the notch have a square bottom? If not just use a Large bit = to drill out a hole to give you a radiused slot bottom. 

Pat = Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:27 = AM, john niolon via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Need some metal working expertise.  I know = there is  a simpler way to notch metal than what I=E2=80=99m = using.  I had to fabricate a latch thingy for a neighbor using = 3/8=E2=80=9D plate which required a rectangular notch to be cut in the = plate about 3/4=E2=80=9D wide and 3=E2=80=9D deep.  I used a Metabo = grinder with a .040 cutting disc to cut the sides but how to cut the = back end of the notch.  I thought about a saber saw with a metal = blade but the notch was very narrow and it would have been difficult in = that small area. Guess I could have used a hole saw at the back of the = notch and then squared up with a file...
 
I couldn=E2=80= =99t reach in the gap with a 4.5=E2=80=9D grinder to hog it out... = finally I drilled a number of holes across the back line of the notch, = broke out the slug and finished it with a file to make it square.  = There has to be a better way.  Can=E2=80=99t find a hand tool to = handle 3/8=E2=80=9D material and notching machines aren=E2=80=99t in my = budget.. 
 
give me some suggestions and options = or ideas, that haven=E2=80=99t dawned on my feeble old brain !
 
john

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It died. So = I=E2=80=99m looking at chargers on the web I see a 2 amp charger that is quite a bit cheaper than the 4 amp... my = question. what is the difference in charge time between the 2 amp and the 4 amp.. I=E2=80=99m assuming = that the 2 amp will take twice as long to charge as the 4 amp ?? is that right figuring ?? john https://jniolon.classicpickup.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01D5C938.858D5000 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I = have a=20 24volt 4 amp charger for a handicapped scooter.  It died. So = I=E2=80=99m looking at=20 chargers on the web
 
I = see a 2=20 amp charger that is quite a bit cheaper than the 4 amp...  my=20 question.  what is the difference
in charge=20 time between the 2 amp and the 4 amp..  I=E2=80=99m assuming that = the 2 amp will=20 take twice as long to
charge as=20 the 4 amp ??  is that right figuring ??
 
john



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= ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01D5C938.858D5000-- --===============7569713221548924739== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7569713221548924739==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 12 10:27:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF94A0A35 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2020 10:27:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vs1-f42.google.com (unknown [209.85.217.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89363A074E for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2020 10:27:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vs1-f42.google.com with SMTP id b79so4403828vsd.9 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2020 09:27:08 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=yRarxZz7h20PlkWf4gYy445ojtocZ+o5fBEoZ5KlN1I=; b=MgmkA/96CA+D9OTdsEi29suDoka42P1GSId+OKPf9Au2QYk48EDaAjaaWG2gPFXkVg 07k2qo6uJYGxs13CCGQhcV4RMKImHkSsOF/tTKxL4rLzKwJwqGOKA7X2wNJPoLLMeYUX Mz618KeqWb/ySqLE3Po5AOmKRz3KcZdT3pkpOwp+9EUPmAoLgBRjA6R+HZZh7/Gcqk3+ Ke/Jl3r3k0fpcjaLVyiiDy701ZyR7qTaKNJA4IVGkWnHHQvCV4idq8jrPi+MDfNstjyF PNH1xuWSssu6c0zulHGWvAITvTmEf0/9nneZb/nW15hMq/rUs6PS5mDb24Pnyd8v6Tva KmSw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=yRarxZz7h20PlkWf4gYy445ojtocZ+o5fBEoZ5KlN1I=; b=OBpY5oJM/SSYCJIQRUhHLWiLhhUPNh1M8bZQJ73xxgBJ7TSglR7K5aR2MmQx+TCEbH h7r6FxzdhQ8E1UbTNg8KYoXoZ2TlrtD07WsslgtukDqtCXMYlXBbfj640hkI4+vN46mi JlON5RolWi5M/Z1MUyUeOcvDVaXBFYah3QqPM6/CcLjfB10lvCehva2AxS1wMr9BuyJd FGE49/MMt6SfQRjrCTHubkK2LHNs23P9iYzWqzewtdDcrsIWsfRppTkQa0uC8YCFg3Un 4bNi0X4X4Num81kyJK/Dcd81hlrO7HhyBdL070rUXvFvDiKMnl6VTi6DvnxLQJIxhM21 CAcA== 8Tp1AUBo8I5lm/Sktl30Cuba6LLq4JdMYq/r/ac= f6mr4122092vsh.204.1578850027945; Sun, 12 Jan 2020 09:27:07 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 09:27:07 -0800 To: john niolon Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] battery charging rates From: old dirtbeard via Shop-talk Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1230862091718729457== --00000000000011c2a8059bf4aba7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John, It probably will take a little longer, but not twice as long. The four amp charger would only be working at 100% capacity for a portion of the time and then gradual reduce the charge rate over time to zero. The two amp charger would run at 100% capacity perhaps for a a longer duration and then do the same as the four amp charger. On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:08 AM john niolon via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > I have a 24volt 4 amp charger for a handicapped scooter. It died. So I= =E2=80=99m > looking at chargers on the web > > I see a 2 amp charger that is quite a bit cheaper than the 4 amp... my > question. what is the difference > in charge time between the 2 amp and the 4 amp.. I=E2=80=99m assuming th= at the 2 > amp will take twice as long to > charge as the 4 amp ?? is that right figuring ?? > > john > > > > https://jniolon.classicpickup.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com > > --00000000000011c2a8059bf4aba7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi John,

It probably will take a little= longer, but not twice as long. The four amp charger would only be working = at 100% capacity for a portion of the time and then gradual reduce the char= ge rate over time to zero.

The two amp charger wou= ld run at 100% capacity perhaps for a a longer duration and then do the sam= e as the four amp charger.

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:08 AM john niolon= via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I have a= =20 24volt 4 amp charger for a handicapped scooter.=C2=A0 It died. So I=E2=80= =99m looking at=20 chargers on the web
=C2=A0
I see a = 2=20 amp charger that is quite a bit cheaper than the 4 amp...=C2=A0 my=20 question.=C2=A0 what is the difference
in charg= e=20 time between the 2 amp and the 4 amp..=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m assuming that the = 2 amp will=20 take twice as long to
charge a= s=20 the 4 amp ??=C2=A0 is that right figuring ??
=C2=A0
john
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Yes, pretty much.  If you can make it through t= he day on a charge and charge overnight it probably won't impact your lifes= tyle since it doesn't matter if the batteries get charged halfway through t= he night or towards sunrise.  If you need to recharge during the day y= our down time will be double.


Dave



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From: john niolon via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 11:08 am
Subject: [Shop-talk] battery charging rates

I have a= =20 24volt 4 amp charger for a handicapped scooter.  It died. So I=E2=80= =99m looking at=20 chargers on the web
 
I see a = 2=20 amp charger that is quite a bit cheaper than the 4 amp...  my=20 question.  what is the difference
in charg= e=20 time between the 2 amp and the 4 amp..  I=E2=80=99m assuming that the = 2 amp will=20 take twice as long to
charge a= s=20 the 4 amp ??  is that right figuring ??
 
john



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Sat, 18 Jan 2020 02:08:35 +0000 To: Shop Talk Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 18:08:34 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: [Shop-talk] Oil Extractors From: Bob Spidell via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0487860936917747602== boundary="------------0A5EE02F4699837E23ABC2A6" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0A5EE02F4699837E23ABC2A6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Folks, What do y'all use to suck oil out of small engines?  I've got one of these, but it never worked worth a damn and the tubing got brittle and cracked pretty quickly: *https://tinyurl.com/uh4p7l6* The problem with it is no matter how fast I pumped there would never be sufficient vacuum in the canister to move the oil up and out of a sump.  I've got several small displacement engines that need their oil changed regularly--one is a gravel compactor that weighs over 200lbs--and trying to tip the engine enough to drain the oil is a real hassle (and messy).  Anyone know of something that works (I see HF has something similar, but the reviews are mixed and it seems to have the same issues as the 'Topsider'). TIA, Bob --------------0A5EE02F4699837E23ABC2A6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Folks,

What do y'all use to suck oil out of small engines?  I've got one of these, but it never worked worth a damn and the tubing got brittle and cracked pretty quickly:

https://tinyurl.com/uh4p7l6

The problem with it is no matter how fast I pumped there would never be sufficient vacuum in the canister to move the oil up and out of a sump.  I've got several small displacement engines that need their oil changed regularly--one is a gravel compactor that weighs over 200lbs--and trying to tip the engine enough to drain the oil is a real hassle (and messy).  Anyone know of something that works (I see HF has something similar, but the reviews are mixed and it seems to have the same issues as the 'Topsider').

TIA,
Bob
--------------0A5EE02F4699837E23ABC2A6-- --===============0487860936917747602== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0487860936917747602==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 17 19:45:25 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9867AA0CAD for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 19:45:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (unknown [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D37DA07D5 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 19:45:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D4916F40C for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 21:45:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ka_LrbyYvjIF for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 21:45:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.14] (cpe-74-133-176-135.kya.res.rr.com [74.133.176.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8766516F40B for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 21:45:20 -0500 (EST) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <352abff1-c8d4-3d3b-ff3d-8371019389c5@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 21:45:19 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oil Extractors From: Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8805864518274795082== boundary="------------F16D1F6A828841C36A6DB502" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F16D1F6A828841C36A6DB502 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My mower and pressure washer have drain plugs near the (vertical) shafts.  It's kind of a pain in the ass to access on the pressure washer but it's still less messy than flipping the whole thing upside-down like the user manual recommends. J On 2020-01-17 21:08, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk wrote: > Folks, > > What do y'all use to suck oil out of small engines?  I've got one of > these, but it never worked worth a damn and the tubing got brittle and > cracked pretty quickly: > > *https://tinyurl.com/uh4p7l6* > > The problem with it is no matter how fast I pumped there would never > be sufficient vacuum in the canister to move the oil up and out of a > sump.  I've got several small displacement engines that need their oil > changed regularly--one is a gravel compactor that weighs over > 200lbs--and trying to tip the engine enough to drain the oil is a real > hassle (and messy).  Anyone know of something that works (I see HF has > something similar, but the reviews are mixed and it seems to have the > same issues as the 'Topsider'). > > TIA, > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > --------------F16D1F6A828841C36A6DB502 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
My mower and pressure washer have drain plugs near the (vertical) shafts.  It's kind of a pain in the ass to access on the pressure washer but it's still less messy than flipping the whole thing upside-down like the user manual recommends.

J

On 2020-01-17 21:08, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk wrote:
Folks,

What do y'all use to suck oil out of small engines?  I've got one of these, but it never worked worth a damn and the tubing got brittle and cracked pretty quickly:

https://tinyurl.com/uh4p7l6

The problem with it is no matter how fast I pumped there would never be sufficient vacuum in the canister to move the oil up and out of a sump.  I've got several small displacement engines that need their oil changed regularly--one is a gravel compactor that weighs over 200lbs--and trying to tip the engine enough to drain the oil is a real hassle (and messy).  Anyone know of something that works (I see HF has something similar, but the reviews are mixed and it seems to have the same issues as the 'Topsider').

TIA,
Bob

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--------------F16D1F6A828841C36A6DB502-- --===============8805864518274795082== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8805864518274795082==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 17 20:42:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69A4A0EC7 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 20:42:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f182.google.com (unknown [209.85.167.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448D7A0E7D for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 20:42:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi1-f182.google.com with SMTP id c16so24086648oic.3 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 19:42:08 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=azAtJgxfyqpklx26HqEfLgLUiVsdCVf0+Cor86RSiqE=; b=cLAfBvOPa2XsoahDMdVto5xJkouGeOjSzdrm1HpOkQViAU0vvemNAzCjBGaXff7OWP 5SpG6LmTcMURTYIlp3QWb5oTjnZc4NPvmWN+ZrGMI1yv6hsxGVLq8DbFHEF+DMv6M/yI yDJ4sKwiaWK70qkgIgRaY40Csi2+V9Sb21Q82yHtMFEZmZ7WzQy3IfZIFJYKK/iRnEnv +76rZjSpE2adh7+sED/mPiOfWQnp5NuLx4gFao6iBbz9s720/2jV64s8A40W8EfDoyEK wjY2CLSVcjZn5XPw3pAhORyBuYkwDAtRPCV1J/MjINzgtuqUz+b0NltJ86iT5+XEpui1 VyKw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=azAtJgxfyqpklx26HqEfLgLUiVsdCVf0+Cor86RSiqE=; b=nbII5O3xPjcnGl49mqSWhGfASvAFu5npchdVcuZJEKp2U3IZc+9/90sGqzm4CGx8jN Cy4V2bpzrTRoJAozr3/19dQ3NO0PKRz/fG+QjUOMlPI19U8AL4sAXYAs4ErtcQVOEdJN fyjoLe90SkqwYik6b2z/jVr6WgvAKIho8Ny9OH3MkjGNONhFdjEsd1hNjzSlT2OghCoA Nccv29CaBFu1fDpLlg/DxPvrIXSmLdx+P9cCthzbIAOwtknaCmZSllFonTHD8wXbt4nK cVkewp0xBDStIvV1KmgZoLU8beTCaVZQKvhJC8q0XihKrXHltPrX85GaKErUXsoqk9Ps Gm5w== ezT9/IAv+/bQWGxd3KeFA4F70R8HicNHKMr2U/REujRe w23mr6066488oic.46.1579318927559; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 19:42:07 -0800 (PST) References: <352abff1-c8d4-3d3b-ff3d-8371019389c5@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 22:41:55 -0500 To: Jimmie Mayfield Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oil Extractors From: Benjamin Zwissler via Shop-talk Cc: Shop-Talk List Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2865139800962961319== --000000000000aa1101059c61d763 I bought a venturi vacuum brake bleeder (uses compressed air to create vacuum) and it's so much easier than a mityvac. I got mine from wish.com for less than $15. The only issue you might have is the reservoir only holds about a pint. Ben On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 9:45 PM Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > My mower and pressure washer have drain plugs near the (vertical) shafts. > It's kind of a pain in the ass to access on the pressure washer but it's > still less messy than flipping the whole thing upside-down like the user > manual recommends. > > J > > On 2020-01-17 21:08, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk wrote: > > Folks, > > What do y'all use to suck oil out of small engines? I've got one of > these, but it never worked worth a damn and the tubing got brittle and > cracked pretty quickly: > > *https://tinyurl.com/uh4p7l6 * > > The problem with it is no matter how fast I pumped there would never be > sufficient vacuum in the canister to move the oil up and out of a sump. > I've got several small displacement engines that need their oil changed > regularly--one is a gravel compactor that weighs over 200lbs--and trying to > tip the engine enough to drain the oil is a real hassle (and messy). > Anyone know of something that works (I see HF has something similar, but > the reviews are mixed and it seems to have the same issues as the > 'Topsider'). > > TIA, > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com > > --000000000000aa1101059c61d763 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I bought a venturi vacuum brake bleeder (uses compressed = air to create vacuum) and it's so much easier than a mityvac.=C2=A0 I g= ot mine from wish.com for less than $15.=C2=A0 The only issue you might have is the reser= voir only holds about a pint.

= Ben

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 9:45 PM Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> = wrote:
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My mower and pressure washer have drain plugs near the (vertical) shafts.=C2=A0 It's kind of a pain in th= e ass to access on the pressure washer but it's still less messy than flipping the whole thing upside-down like the user manual recommends.

J

On 2020-01-17 21:08, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk wrote:
=20 Folks,

What do y'all use to suck oil out of small engines?=C2=A0 I'v= e got one of these, but it never worked worth a damn and the tubing got brittle and cracked pretty quickly:

https://tinyurl.com/uh4p7l6

The problem with it is no matter how fast I pumped there would never be sufficient vacuum in the canister to move the oil up and out of a sump.=C2=A0 I've got several small displacement engines = that need their oil changed regularly--one is a gravel compactor that weighs over 200lbs--and trying to tip the engine enough to drain the oil is a real hassle (and messy).=C2=A0 Anyone know of something that works (I see HF has something similar, but the reviews are mixed and it seems to have the same issues as the 'Topsider')= .

TIA,
Bob

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--000000000000aa1101059c61d763-- --===============2865139800962961319== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2865139800962961319==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 18 09:43:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814AEA10FC for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 09:43:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ua1-f49.google.com (unknown [209.85.222.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EF8A10A7 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 09:43:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ua1-f49.google.com with SMTP id h32so10068551uah.4 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 08:43:38 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=m3W6Dsl2TbpGtnS+2ztZ8+hgn8URp2VCn2JgLLOJHQs=; b=UCIavLORJHIvclzxEapRC8NzUl/3/HdmhOO7kIZMMa22VX3V1cincAQXDhwLwyuK9I vDHLLf/nGkq8Qi3OWq5AOKf8NwTXEr4MAT2fFOQnQzsXUeBIwCP3JKNNgpCUdbb796N3 lH67VHwY1vxgg6+HtFI1SZ0aOgNZMx95e2BVlPB3YB2cJgnmrAaXgzGOaT20DAHiwXE6 FpLPBgx78+t1HNRXRySPReqYJpdyQa8lXLNWO8OP6jHl32uuR78uvWs7f3ltlxJpjXXk 6lp4lvodN5dFehyEZbrRhpv2FkW+AYSe8yhDB9ETCKF1nRTxzot4EFSuXzEmjC1DCLHc JnfA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=m3W6Dsl2TbpGtnS+2ztZ8+hgn8URp2VCn2JgLLOJHQs=; b=pUGXsNFM+PVg8d+ypgIwRIjLMu8l/sWVU7yTua9CYSl7yYUMq71tf71mwzAzg2lMc5 Di1q6djybbuAN8PHASNY6EeChMi+xqS067LKMbMRny8pe/NeFpjWUM8RNjzJRN/5oKmk sdA6jtJ2W65e45DcNvYEKwzD8c5LzVPGVTRGiQnwd/mvlHAsMpd1Hy3ttCvOfYFWo+RO Eo5ME+fQ/1WE1kj6BbL4YLgFCI8N3PGU7MuY6Ze5kbwilFJbSC3ruKiWcQ7ch6shiUk6 LrYcfrKT2Vx0K9x7HPAnfaPq2muXQxtgIx/w0yMpeHILv5BGPIMNt9Zt7i9NiU5q7AZl Ayrg== fTD7gTVda4tlX7NRS8YZkJNQTt1+Lugc5ne7hIE= Sat, 18 Jan 2020 08:43:37 -0800 (PST) References: <352abff1-c8d4-3d3b-ff3d-8371019389c5@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 08:43:32 -0800 To: Bob Spidell Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oil Extractors From: old dirtbeard via Shop-talk Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5650547876697457680== --00000000000085509d059c6cc2db Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I never used it, but good reviews for this manual one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BW393E2/ref=3Dsspa_dk_detail_1?pd_rd_i=3DB07N7= XC7DM&pd_rd_w=3DqwI2x&pf_rd_p=3D45a72588-80f7-4414-9851-786f6c16d42b&pd_rd_= wg=3DuaTiG&pf_rd_r=3D4YJJT5GNRVNP00P18JQD&pd_rd_r=3D5a488dda-f4ac-4d59-b1f8= -0061fe2811c4&spLa=3DZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyUE4wSVA4S05ZN09MJmVuY3J5cH= RlZElkPUEwNTUwOTAxMkdNSU9LUkdKRE9KMyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMjM3MDQyMVlYN0czW= VVIUzk4MSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2RldGFpbCZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExv= Z0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=3D1 If you have access to a compressor, these are sort of the standard for doing it in the garage: https://www.amazon.com/ARKSEN-Portable-Operated-Drainage-Adjustable/dp/B00C= 0YKJ6E/ref=3Dsr_1_18?keywords=3Doil+evacuator&qid=3D1579365699&s=3Dautomoti= ve&sr=3D1-18 I do not own nor have I used either one of these personally. On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 6:08 PM Bob Spidell via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > Folks, > > What do y'all use to suck oil out of small engines? I've got one of > these, but it never worked worth a damn and the tubing got brittle and > cracked pretty quickly: > > *https://tinyurl.com/uh4p7l6 * > > The problem with it is no matter how fast I pumped there would never be > sufficient vacuum in the canister to move the oil up and out of a sump. > I've got several small displacement engines that need their oil changed > regularly--one is a gravel compactor that weighs over 200lbs--and trying = to > tip the engine enough to drain the oil is a real hassle (and messy). > Anyone know of something that works (I see HF has something similar, but > the reviews are mixed and it seems to have the same issues as the > 'Topsider'). > > TIA, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@live.com > > --00000000000085509d059c6cc2db Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I never used it, but good reviews for this manual one:
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I do not own nor have I used either one of these personally.=C2= =A0

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On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 6:= 08 PM Bob Spidell via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
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Folks,

What do y'all use to suck oil out of small engines?=C2=A0 I've = got one of these, but it never worked worth a damn and the tubing got brittle and cracked pretty quickly:

https://ti= nyurl.com/uh4p7l6

The problem with it is no matter how fast I pumped there would never be sufficient vacuum in the canister to move the oil up and out of a sump.=C2=A0 I've got several small displacement engines that need t= heir oil changed regularly--one is a gravel compactor that weighs over 200lbs--and trying to tip the engine enough to drain the oil is a real hassle (and messy).=C2=A0 Anyone know of something that works (I s= ee HF has something similar, but the reviews are mixed and it seems to have the same issues as the 'Topsider').

TIA,
Bob
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--00000000000085509d059c6cc2db-- --===============5650547876697457680== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============5650547876697457680==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 18 13:15:06 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1918A113B for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 13:15:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p-impout001.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net (unknown [47.43.26.140]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BD1A112F for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 13:14:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from RYPC ([172.248.153.253]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id suUiisTDOHRLqsuUiiO3MJ; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 20:14:57 +0000 a=qZdJX8rkFm4y5TzLCyaqOg==:117 a=qZdJX8rkFm4y5TzLCyaqOg==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=vggBfdFIAAAA:8 a=7D1yg1S37bHGQLAXtPsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=GF-1Y3pJ1a9A2M9_2QIA:9 a=QzyFuRTlBBS7sMUa:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 To: "'Shop-talk'" References: <352abff1-c8d4-3d3b-ff3d-8371019389c5@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 12:08:26 -0800 Thread-Index: AdXOHnaDmJy3h2vtTs6LrVd1E/DnOAAG9Q7A xKj2r+ReZbd8ND8QuJWT5lC2eHxvgWm8VNQ1giW1HV0LPdwn46qkKlSB Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oil Extractors From: Randall via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4401507254094798382== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0BC2_01D5CDF7.FD65EFB0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0BC2_01D5CDF7.FD65EFB0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Probably I'm confused; but as I read it, this unit only uses air to force oil out of the container. It has no provision to suck oil from a vehicle into the container. A shame, really, as I might buy one if it had suction capability. The 12v transfer pump I bought last year to suck out transmission oil turned out to be worse than useless. -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild If you have access to a compressor, these are sort of the standard for doing it in the garage: https://www.amazon.com/ARKSEN-Portable-Operated-Drainage-Adjustable/dp/B00C0 YKJ6E/ref=sr_1_18?keywords=oil+evacuator &qid=1579365699&s=automotive&sr=1-18 ------=_NextPart_000_0BC2_01D5CDF7.FD65EFB0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Probably I'm confused; but as I read it, this = unit only=20 uses air to force oil out of the container.  It has no provision to = suck=20 oil from a vehicle into the container.
 
A shame, really, as I might buy one if it had = suction=20 capability.  The 12v transfer pump I bought last year to suck out=20 transmission oil turned out to be worse than = useless.
 

-- Randall
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily = driver
71=20 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox=20 rebuild

 

If you have=20 access to a compressor, these are sort of the standard for doing it in = the=20 garage:

https://www.amazon.com/ARKSEN-Porta= ble-Operated-Drainage-Adjustable/dp/B00C0YKJ6E/ref=3Dsr_1_18?keywords=3Do= il+evacuator&qid=3D1579365699&s=3Dautomotive&sr=3D1-18&nb= sp;

 
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https://www.amazon.com/Jabsco-17850-1012-DIY-Oil-Changer/dp/B001CX0WX4

My boat has essentially a car engine.  The top of the dipstick tube is threaded to take a garden hose fitting.  My oil changer came set up that way.  There is also the option to use a thinner tube that would go down a dipstick hole.  I imagine that would be what you would need for your small engines.  I have been reasonably satisfied with it for my boat.  I warm up the engine before I start.  Warm oil pumps easier and quicker.  One nice thing is the pump reverses, and  the oil is pumped back out the hose into another container for recycling.  There is no awkward pouring and no funnels are involved.

-Steve T.

At 09:08 PM 1/17/2020, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk wrote:

Folks,

What do y'all use to suck oil out of small engines?
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Hi Randall,

Yes, you are right. Sorry f= or the confusion. Here is one that does both:

$370, no review shown, but it = does look like it might work...=C2=A0

On S= at, Jan 18, 2020 at 12:15 PM Randall via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Probably I'm confused; but as I read it, this unit only=20 uses air to force oil out of the container.=C2=A0 It has no provision to su= ck=20 oil from a vehicle into the container.
=C2=A0
A shame, really, as I might buy one if it had suction=20 capability.=C2=A0 The 12v transfer pump I bought last year to suck out=20 transmission oil turned out to be worse than useless.
=C2=A0

-- Randall
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily dri= ver
71=20 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox=20 rebuild

=C2=A0

If you have=20 access to a compressor, these are sort of the standard for doing it in th= e=20 garage:
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--00000000000042f8f7059c710ebd-- --===============8801452421629933750== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8801452421629933750==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 18 17:30:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6B5A0E88 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 17:30:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBB9A1140 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 17:21:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-19v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.115]) by resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id syIgiCyIyxZxAsyLfiJpCr; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 00:21:51 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1579393311; bh=/K6Rks4Lst8TLSBBR2bmI0cNkRbw+zkG37QLA/zHFzo=; h=Received:Received:Subject:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=X4/l++L0foImFXIHw6gyrewES/nPGvvW+tYmrbM0msw/kDI7MIg8T+2TB1pzFGG5Z iJztI2nqPVM59ZZQQ8LN+dyE/p4z14hMwbRXwVIsdYBvHjp4iKwB982aAyy6HVj9H4 lCWNimI+zESwpXxcu5OPv6g9+Y3PpO4VVsYt2dm4I0IizR1rzJevJ/tGWbalLsuNUI XqZ1/8qPRqc3pe5fhw+TH/rLs7mvPvzqhY4+w1ynZzvYlX+RyLFd3kYNlxiZgCAJpu Y/2aOgtFl0OgQO0TtAAPGKXkfkAsbBZSF4oXPRZIhyG19eFkMnyuuWLektsR4GSgUZ JLuozDR/xC6dA== Received: from [IPv6:2601:203:581:2df0:160:45d3:d02:6827] ([IPv6:2601:203:581:2df0:160:45d3:d02:6827]) by resomta-ch2-19v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id syLdieuuSLNecsyLei35Bv; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 00:21:50 +0000 Cc: Shop Talk References: <352abff1-c8d4-3d3b-ff3d-8371019389c5@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 16:21:51 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oil Extractors From: Bob Spidell via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7445851788864690443== boundary="------------270A689282045B0AD39700A6" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------270A689282045B0AD39700A6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Found this: https://consumerexpert.org/best-oil-fluid-extractor-pumps/ ... which is a bit equivocal about the MityVac, agree? On 1/18/2020 12:50 PM, Ian McFetridge wrote: > I’ve had this MityVac since 2015 and it’s worked for everything I’ve > thrown at it. I originally bought it for my generator since the drain > is in an awkward position, but I’ve used it for mowers, snow blower, > and several cars/trucks.  I creates plenty of vacuum to drain 8 > quarts, then it can conveniently be reversed to push the oil into > disposal containers.  I would buy the exact same thing again. > > Mityvac 7201 Fluid Evacuator Plus > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002SR7TC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_p42iEb9N60KVW > > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 6:08 PM Bob Spidell via Shop-talk > > Folks, > > What do y'all use to suck oil out of small engines? I've got > one of these, but it never worked worth a damn and the tubing > got brittle and cracked pretty quickly: > > *https://tinyurl.com/uh4p7l6* > > The problem with it is no matter how fast I pumped there would > never be sufficient vacuum in the canister to move the oil up > and out of a sump.  I've got several small displacement > engines that need their oil changed regularly--one is a gravel > compactor that weighs over 200lbs--and trying to tip the > engine enough to drain the oil is a real hassle (and messy). > Anyone know of something that works (I see HF has something > similar, but the reviews are mixed and it seems to have the > same issues as the 'Topsider'). > > TIA, > Bob > --------------270A689282045B0AD39700A6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Found this:

https://consumerexpert.org/best-oil-fluid-extractor-pumps/

... which is a bit equivocal about the MityVac, agree?

 

On 1/18/2020 12:50 PM, Ian McFetridge wrote:
I’ve had this MityVac since 2015 and it’s worked for everything I’ve thrown at it. I originally bought it for my generator since the drain is in an awkward position, but I’ve used it for mowers, snow blower, and several cars/trucks.  I creates plenty of vacuum to drain 8 quarts, then it can conveniently be reversed to push the oil into disposal containers.  I would buy the exact same thing again.  




On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 6:08 PM Bob Spidell via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Folks,

What do y'all use to suck oil out of small engines?  I've got one of these, but it never worked worth a damn and the tubing got brittle and cracked pretty quickly:

https://tinyurl.com/uh4p7l6

The problem with it is no matter how fast I pumped there would never be sufficient vacuum in the canister to move the oil up and out of a sump.  I've got several small displacement engines that need their oil changed regularly--one is a gravel compactor that weighs over 200lbs--and trying to tip the engine enough to drain the oil is a real hassle (and messy).  Anyone know of something that works (I see HF has something similar, but the reviews are mixed and it seems to have the same issues as the 'Topsider').

TIA,
Bob

--------------270A689282045B0AD39700A6-- --===============7445851788864690443== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7445851788864690443==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 18 21:36:00 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE16A0E6C for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 21:36:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E00A0E35 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 21:35:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.104]) by resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id t2DfimCliL7xwt2JRi5SSZ; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 04:35:49 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1579408549; bh=xahxFzyN3nIQPrYlxCftQEXEU3H2momoz83fsPHwsXU=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=R1MLmJpnDN2Q2NgetZObLQbjPgsmeJ9hB0FxhKKRZVhJvs5ikqAzCUUO7lkM19ZHj 59B3R8iwwiVwtN4SFJs4Eelk/Dlaiv1eplnEDFDOcaJKSIbKmtpM82f6nI8j7KifP2 XQeDf8bETmCcDhgNLuxdZHjkObt905wfx9TUscZQQJeGDvf5XiRa0TKpfk+JBDDBCg GrmRHiieu8MBDgxYVR5Tfzq3sUEMcr66l2JZuj5qWNPaiIalSislpBKwQu5HTs9Gpd mQdZhXDUtuKD3jMjzFiSIqmiQumO39FZ4+9V2aXbhRrWVK+P7gBCX+8yaV81xqSZmL dIFb6GIwXtESQ== Received: from [IPv6:2601:203:581:2df0:6c3c:c568:7cef:7426] ([IPv6:2601:203:581:2df0:6c3c:c568:7cef:7426]) by resomta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id t2JOimdOVay2ut2JQim8b4; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 04:35:49 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <352abff1-c8d4-3d3b-ff3d-8371019389c5@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 20:35:48 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oil Extractors From: Bob Spidell via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4450197019110395579== boundary="------------0D91C1F15606EC563D9A4B70" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0D91C1F15606EC563D9A4B70 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the input, guys.  I'm leaning towards this one: *https://tinyurl.com/uob8q38* Price is reasonable, and it's both manual and pneumatic.  There are several similar--i.e. probably made in the same factory in China with different brand names slapped-on--to this one, but this has the best price.  From reading a lot of reviews, it appears these are only good for a few years and maybe a few dozen uses before something breaks. Bob On 1/18/2020 1:51 PM, old dirtbeard via Shop-talk wrote: > Hi Randall, > > Yes, you are right. Sorry for the confusion. Here is one that does both: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=663t_MOQf-A > > $370, no review shown, but it does look like it might work... > https://www.gregsmithequipment.com/18-Gallon-Oil-Extractor?utm_source=video&utm_medium=youtube&utm_campaign=description%20link > > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 12:15 PM Randall via Shop-talk > > Probably I'm confused; but as I read it, this unit only uses air > to force oil out of the container.  It has no provision to suck > oil from a vehicle into the container. > A shame, really, as I might buy one if it had suction capability.  > The 12v transfer pump I bought last year to suck out transmission > oil turned out to be worse than useless. > > -- Randall > 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver > 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild > 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > > > If you have access to a compressor, these are sort of the > standard for doing it in the garage: > > https://www.amazon.com/ARKSEN-Portable-Operated-Drainage-Adjustable/dp/B00C0YKJ6E/ref=sr_1_18?keywords=oil+evacuator&qid=1579365699&s=automotive&sr=1-18 > > > --------------0D91C1F15606EC563D9A4B70 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the input, guys.  I'm leaning towards this one:

https://tinyurl.com/uob8q38

Price is reasonable, and it's both manual and pneumatic.  There are several similar--i.e. probably made in the same factory in China with different brand names slapped-on--to this one, but this has the best price.  From reading a lot of reviews, it appears these are only good for a few years and maybe a few dozen uses before something breaks.

Bob


On 1/18/2020 1:51 PM, old dirtbeard via Shop-talk wrote:
Hi Randall,

Yes, you are right. Sorry for the confusion. Here is one that does both:

$370, no review shown, but it does look like it might work... 

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 12:15 PM Randall via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Probably I'm confused; but as I read it, this unit only uses air to force oil out of the container.  It has no provision to suck oil from a vehicle into the container.
 
A shame, really, as I might buy one if it had suction capability.  The 12v transfer pump I bought last year to suck out transmission oil turned out to be worse than useless.
 

-- Randall
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild

 

If you have access to a compressor, these are sort of the standard for doing it in the garage:


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On Jan 17, 2020, at 20:08, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

Folks,

What do y'all use to suck oil out of small engines?  I've got one of these, but it never worked worth a damn and the tubing got brittle and cracked pretty quickly:

https://tinyurl.com/uh4p7l6

The problem with it is no matter how fast I pumped there would never be sufficient vacuum in the canister to move the oil up and out of a sump.  I've got several small displacement engines that need their oil changed regularly--one is a gravel compactor that weighs over 200lbs--and trying to tip the engine enough to drain the oil is a real hassle (and messy).  Anyone know of something that works (I see HF has something similar, but the reviews are mixed and it seems to have the same issues as the 'Topsider').


My dad had one of those, and he and I used it for decades. I replaced the hoses a couple times, with stuff from whardware or auto parts store.   The tricks were to get hoses that fit properly, and a better clamp to pinch the hose off with. Also hot oil, and keep the hose in the oil the whole time. (If it can suck air, the vacuum is gone fast. Close the valve and pump it back up,)

I never used it on any thing but a small engines, on random lawn and farm tools, with a sump capacity of a couple quarts tops. 



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Guessing mine is a Mityvac, but its not in front of me so ?? Like this: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Mityvac-7-3-l-Fluid-Evacuator-MIT7400/306763761= ?mtc=3DShopping-BA-F_HC-G-D25T-25_31_GARAGE_AUTOMOTIVE-NA-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA= -Auto_RLSA&cm_mmc=3DShopping-BA-F_HC-G-D25T-25_31_GARAGE_AUTOMOTIVE-NA-NA-F= eed-PLA-NA-NA-Auto_RLSA-71700000037147753-58700004141485307-927000486723520= 91&gclid=3DCj0KCQiA04XxBRD5ARIsAGFygj9zgBz8m8m-sV0p0Aj-_4r2IRqXApdI2vfTuRVk= H3fP0COh5EoSEv8aAo3bEALw_wcB&gclsrc=3Daw.ds Mark On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 9:42 PM Benjamin Zwissler via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > I bought a venturi vacuum brake bleeder (uses compressed air to create > vacuum) and it's so much easier than a mityvac. I got mine from wish.com > for less than $15. The only issue you might have is the reservoir only > holds about a pint. > > Ben > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 9:45 PM Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > >> My mower and pressure washer have drain plugs near the (vertical) >> shafts. It's kind of a pain in the ass to access on the pressure washer >> but it's still less messy than flipping the whole thing upside-down like >> the user manual recommends. >> >> J >> >> On 2020-01-17 21:08, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> What do y'all use to suck oil out of small engines? I've got one of >> these, but it never worked worth a damn and the tubing got brittle and >> cracked pretty quickly: >> >> *https://tinyurl.com/uh4p7l6 * >> >> The problem with it is no matter how fast I pumped there would never be >> sufficient vacuum in the canister to move the oil up and out of a sump. >> I've got several small displacement engines that need their oil changed >> regularly--one is a gravel compactor that weighs over 200lbs--and trying= to >> tip the engine enough to drain the oil is a real hassle (and messy). >> Anyone know of something that works (I see HF has something similar, but >> the reviews are mixed and it seems to have the same issues as the >> 'Topsider'). >> >> TIA, >> Bob >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/a= rchive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayf= ield+shoptalk@sackheads.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@maracing.com > > --000000000000f53efc059c632a44 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 9:42 PM Benja= min Zwissler via Shop-talk <= shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I bought a venturi vacuum brake b= leeder (uses compressed air to create vacuum) and it's so much easier t= han a mityvac.=C2=A0 I got mine from wish.com for less than $15.=C2=A0 The only issue y= ou might have is the reservoir only holds about a pint.
Ben

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 9:45 PM Jimmie May= field via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
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My mower and pressure washer have drain plugs near the (vertical) shafts.=C2=A0 It's kind of a pain in th= e ass to access on the pressure washer but it's still less messy than flipping the whole thing upside-down like the user manual recommends.

J

On 2020-01-17 21:08, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk wrote:
=20 Folks,

What do y'all use to suck oil out of small engines?=C2=A0 I'v= e got one of these, but it never worked worth a damn and the tubing got brittle and cracked pretty quickly:

https://tinyurl.com/uh4p7l6

The problem with it is no matter how fast I pumped there would never be sufficient vacuum in the canister to move the oil up and out of a sump.=C2=A0 I've got several small displacement engines = that need their oil changed regularly--one is a gravel compactor that weighs over 200lbs--and trying to tip the engine enough to drain the oil is a real hassle (and messy).=C2=A0 Anyone know of something that works (I see HF has something similar, but the reviews are mixed and it seems to have the same issues as the 'Topsider')= .

TIA,
Bob

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--000000000000f53efc059c632a44-- --===============0369240769607560835== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0369240769607560835==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 19 10:33:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D6DA0F8C for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 10:33:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f46.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005BFA0EAD for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 13:50:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-io1-f46.google.com with SMTP id d15so29763558iog.3 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 12:50:38 -0800 (PST) d=mcfetridge.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=3q5xingyLuZ/91nFepe8tNsGOEMe0HlGTd5Vkm53qas=; b=K/8eKOEAchA7a4VNvgErDfJpLE8eOCC8YASGAJ/5PaQW8P8vzCddbp9ir1uaqKG7q7 PeSMho+mwJp4uTn0cEaWboRsNTCh/e20cBFjprgH/fj+flgrKsIhkS6vt0axKgtVi0oa nC7PsCCiABajHPSPh/EP+8eO+bcImyFU3Q/EU= d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=3q5xingyLuZ/91nFepe8tNsGOEMe0HlGTd5Vkm53qas=; b=icwTj3d4AxVHnZ839Qhxh3gh3MT6nxK5lc+kqGGubUAgXvGidjlC1s87ZLGoGR3u72 o2Byc3AaKQ5PCZFTPKZOzMTtWukP5kV21TiFYSzUaVDdDq9AUD7TQBriGgCLBiTQ9Gq1 CMdbMuJupEZYoN8LWQZXVdcOl8nIvoI53et7DBFLOFZT2HvRNlyGg9DJPIADEm/4cQg7 aS19BGT5uEHSPcAirGG1RR6DARqBZxybqdsp+encOBf7dFLopcEvuXmXR7psWB5On/LT +kyMMocJSwEP3MYoss8DdJhok7ock7QYHwq83VIffeDCeNCHGvOi58t3DUA1WaUDLbF7 fqsw== OJtbqfakSsTHBVYoI86FxtyuKxoUpYyIi2Lp4AieGw== Sat, 18 Jan 2020 12:50:38 -0800 (PST) References: <352abff1-c8d4-3d3b-ff3d-8371019389c5@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:50:27 -0500 To: old dirtbeard Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oil Extractors From: Ian McFetridge via Shop-talk Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4576163783038223298== --000000000000e97df7059c703582 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve had this MityVac since 2015 and it=E2=80=99s worked for everyt= hing I=E2=80=99ve thrown at it. I originally bought it for my generator since the drain is in an awkward position, but I=E2=80=99ve used it for mowers, snow blower, and sev= eral cars/trucks. I creates plenty of vacuum to drain 8 quarts, then it can conveniently be reversed to push the oil into disposal containers. I would buy the exact same thing again. Mityvac 7201 Fluid Evacuator Plus https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002SR7TC/ref=3Dcm_sw_r_cp_tai_p42iEb9N60KVW > On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 6:08 PM Bob Spidell via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> What do y'all use to suck oil out of small engines? I've got one of >> these, but it never worked worth a damn and the tubing got brittle and >> cracked pretty quickly: >> >> *https://tinyurl.com/uh4p7l6 * >> >> The problem with it is no matter how fast I pumped there would never be >> sufficient vacuum in the canister to move the oil up and out of a sump. >> I've got several small displacement engines that need their oil changed >> regularly--one is a gravel compactor that weighs over 200lbs--and trying= to >> tip the engine enough to drain the oil is a real hassle (and messy). >> Anyone know of something that works (I see HF has something similar, but >> the reviews are mixed and it seems to have the same issues as the >> 'Topsider'). >> >> TIA, >> Bob >> > --000000000000e97df7059c703582 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99ve had this MityVac since 2015 and it=E2= =80=99s worked for everything I=E2=80=99ve thrown at it. I originally bough= t it for my generator since the drain is in an awkward=C2=A0position, but I= =E2=80=99ve used it for mowers, snow blower, and several cars/trucks.=C2=A0= I creates plenty of vacuum to drain 8 quarts, then it can conveniently be = reversed to push the oil into disposal containers.=C2=A0 I would buy the ex= act same thing again. =C2=A0



<= br>On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 6:08 PM Bob Spidell via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.ne= t> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Folks,

What do y'all use to suck oil out of small engines?=C2=A0 I've = got one of these, but it never worked worth a damn and the tubing got brittle and cracked pretty quickly:

https://ti= nyurl.com/uh4p7l6

The problem with it is no matter how fast I pumped there would never be sufficient vacuum in the canister to move the oil up and out of a sump.=C2=A0 I've got several small displacement engines that need t= heir oil changed regularly--one is a gravel compactor that weighs over 200lbs--and trying to tip the engine enough to drain the oil is a real hassle (and messy).=C2=A0 Anyone know of something that works (I s= ee HF has something similar, but the reviews are mixed and it seems to have the same issues as the 'Topsider').

TIA,
Bob
--000000000000e97df7059c703582-- --===============4576163783038223298== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4576163783038223298==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 20 16:16:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2486A0A21 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 16:16:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [173.201.192.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5603AA0864 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 16:16:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from DESKTOPTOA1F5G ([24.19.60.71]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPSA id tgH7iprOFylaTtgH7iQbWX; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 16:16:05 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 15:16:05 -0800 Importance: Normal kPj9q/LyC1yOfEroRLM3975Gh3LdIfr72PCdRbe6Y1AQlqMfsRTIox1z Subject: [Shop-talk] Dayton or Superwinch lube From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6363163723005877854== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01D5CFA4.88AA0E50" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01D5CFA4.88AA0E50 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve got a Dayton powered winch (same as Superwinch) that = spec=E2=80=99s call for=20 their super magical lube for the sungears. It=E2=80=99s spec=E2=80=99d = as P/N 90-15020.=20 Does anyone have any or seen any or know what the equivalent might be? Would be helpful to know before I tear into it.......it=E2=80=99s new to = me, but it=E2=80=99s =20 sounding more like a cement mixer with a load of rocks. I=E2=80=99d imagine there=E2=80=99s nothing too special, but thought = I=E2=80=99d check. Super thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA www.leatherplates.com ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01D5CFA4.88AA0E50 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99ve got a Dayton powered winch (same as Superwinch) that = spec=E2=80=99s call for=20
their super magical lube for the sungears.  It=E2=80=99s = spec=E2=80=99d as P/N=20 90-15020.
Does anyone have any or seen any or know what the equivalent might=20 be?
Would be helpful to know before I tear into it.......it=E2=80=99s = new to me, but=20 it=E2=80=99s 
sounding more like a cement mixer with a load of rocks.
I=E2=80=99d imagine there=E2=80=99s nothing too special, but = thought I=E2=80=99d check.
Super thanks.
 
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA=20 USA
www.leatherplates.com


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Does a great job and it is built literally like a tank, plate steel almost no sheet metal. Well the. Engine is pretty much ready to retire. A replacement engine will cost about $1200. For a bit more I could buy a new lawnmower but of much lower quality than the Gravely and not a zero turn, which I love. So to my question anyone have experience with the pump and servos on a zero turn as to longevity? I hate the thought of buying a replacement engine and having the pump or servo go out ($$$$.$$) Bob Nogueira _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 24 10:04:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF44EA05ED for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 10:04:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f44.google.com (unknown [209.85.210.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D20A04B2 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 10:01:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ot1-f44.google.com with SMTP id g64so2235916otb.13 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:01:50 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=6QNKvBvc1uNfmllAtNzfWahkrQNpEcXZmwTOYf96bwI=; b=EJJXhyhhC3q2P+slnHjpBZCw2rSt9lMnLCPIeHrG6FY79febukDKCG8I/EWTv778v0 sgHH5a/LuqUWK8/7kdsgexF0nkZ87LL8sSTaXOTClFT+ysKWm8UvA0KCRndZ0wLwiEOZ 5z8c0Hmdg/eDE8feqhQVgK7fKA8KgoqMLtpkIYjxF1yo23qRxduzgUnUZbJzsvQ+bQyv lsHZKU07UXYg9GLtJh+6VqJBuZPVVwFFlOGZwz+ym0IQgzK64KRbLX2gEcamt+Xr7yZS nFtSmZDeEzWT+4pqNVn9jSQbb+mfYKmDwg8oSznMfEnjqV+GvuXVRpcG2NCkJX6iH/7g 1H4w== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6QNKvBvc1uNfmllAtNzfWahkrQNpEcXZmwTOYf96bwI=; b=BlbaXIriFar2ddpFcEsO+7BN1+YO/Ymk6L72J1w4f7hGsOAo8FU2FR/HQYff8bfPD9 df+f0y5Wsn1yhj//bQRHNL4qJmFMOCGChSjU3yIKtSZXRIfFhCNP09AWV5NDDFRYY7vv 2uJODKaYNXcaQapfvYlS5BxDvEycIO8veqkLZK9M3bq9XNehwcNcMoC4au6w7e3rs4cH N/3OQlhrAndaLULfw/bvBSRJxix3Gi3mwApJxYDqDoORJ/UaHzj5FpEK4q/PGke3wyaU 3MlCGZsbf4Y6FlYd6/h1ORjIwYJB0qU0MVNNZtS9FJPwco621MvJRGVWthzvkNfGJtCk 5OvQ== TxqzqeneANy4Bn28wbt5EBshjO9lZVoa+mwofjuzSQ== Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:01:50 -0800 (PST) References: <652AC662-4E5A-413B-AD6E-3FDAEBB9B4C0@icloud.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 11:01:39 -0600 To: Robert Nogueirao Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Lawn mower replacement From: John Innis via Shop-talk Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7024685734670268475== --000000000000b0588d059ce5b65c I have a 2002 Grasshopper with about 1200 hours on it. I had to replace a seal in the engine to fix an oil leak and I had to replace a broken cam ring in one of the Hydro units. Tha't about it.Overall the thing just keeps going. Gravely is about a half a step down from Grasshopper in my view, but I would think it would be worth keeping it. My only concern would be parts availability. As long as you can still get parts and do most of the work yourself, it is probably a good investment to keep it going. On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:46 AM Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > I have a 32 inch Zero turn radius lawnmower ( Gravely) that my tool and > equipment loving wife bought for me 12 years ago. Does a great job and it > is built literally like a tank, plate steel almost no sheet metal. Well > the. Engine is pretty much ready to retire. A replacement engine will > cost about $1200. For a bit more I could buy a new lawnmower but of much > lower quality than the Gravely and not a zero turn, which I love. > So to my question anyone have experience with the pump and servos on a > zero turn as to longevity? I hate the thought of buying a replacement > engine and having the pump or servo go out ($$$$.$$) > > Bob Nogueira > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= --000000000000b0588d059ce5b65c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a 2002 Grasshopper with about 1200 hours on it.=C2= =A0 I had to replace a seal in the engine to fix an oil leak and I had to r= eplace a broken cam ring in one of the Hydro units.=C2=A0 Tha't about i= t.Overall the thing just keeps going.=C2=A0 Gravely is about a half a step = down from Grasshopper in my view, but I would think it would be worth keepi= ng it.=C2=A0 My only concern would be parts availability.=C2=A0 As long as = you can still get parts and do most of the work yourself, it is probably a = good investment to keep it going.

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:46 AM Rober= t Nogueirao via Shop-talk <s= hop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I have a 32 inch Zero turn radius lawnmower ( Gravel= y) that my tool and equipment loving wife bought for me 12 years ago.=C2=A0= Does a great job and it is built literally like a tank, plate steel almost= no sheet metal.=C2=A0 Well the. Engine is pretty=C2=A0 much ready to retir= e.=C2=A0 A replacement engine will cost about $1200.=C2=A0 For a bit more I= could buy a new lawnmower but of much lower quality than the Gravely and n= ot a zero turn, which I love.
So to my question anyone have experience with the pump and servos on a zero= turn as to longevity?=C2=A0 I hate the thought of buying a replacement eng= ine and having the pump or servo go out ($$$$.$$)

Bob Nogueira
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--000000000000b0588d059ce5b65c-- --===============7024685734670268475== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7024685734670268475==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 24 10:14:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FBBA05ED for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 10:14:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vs1-f48.google.com (unknown [209.85.217.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00612A05EB for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 10:14:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vs1-f48.google.com with SMTP id t12so1671688vso.13 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:14:46 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=uzou0N8uWv5oqeRilSpYdbpMq1Oi/GRNUX2v6gUkPJY=; b=h7A8buAIcqSor07MzWeLyEa5IC+fwoIbFMukcBvUNgeHsTMUCnXGuhQIHtbpLZL87E 3xz3+DVrlanOjE/GuXZzgt6D9xiVZX+d6oauMj2exjaGUzay6ceOV5YlbCEYzmFj81FP s01uMRRsbV1fVrRI4CwA370kpvJN0axa/QLpC0uVLwRedTtfELf+yJOCFxFyG/gKf6Yc md151OXEVjc3PFSzIGNRbgwo0oooQKHOglRpxa531mrIcfQrYRg6SRUHroq0KuMvIgev iliTR2rgjOMXBpOlQQENjrJtzEDIc5etEvB+Qcin8d4AA8KKOoKXTkg2kk6M5u/7zwy+ X3SA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=uzou0N8uWv5oqeRilSpYdbpMq1Oi/GRNUX2v6gUkPJY=; b=a7wG1/PUbafGowuSyw4WigP4IQoOAL4dQi72EqJmHvIEqFx0Air+EBfzJfJ1Uo0w7c hVo+4QEBmLXrn1E7CJMiL39UkmYAyfvOFnXw+cB7xkc4bqx1F0PHcbK51I2mUXR67BGp Vx6tas0DStjbpix3HjWz4Plit7kiBcB2h7IApVBfabJGy/F6ZuTDGPO6hgnbtrHQ9R78 yxvW7PhBSORpPT58evSmWVpqklLeqzmJdlOzE5luTMdZtqaGUeAnK2EPC5R664KzzMR7 1Froe13eTBu6vvhjohP4SjoselL688zC4UWBz1EYeRJxTwHGvEDjPBDgD9RI/i/al4Um kAIw== ezaChg3D1AbRj0DZcl7+jBmCjcqETeUthDlsSRI= h24mr2961809vsh.169.1579886086192; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:14:46 -0800 (PST) References: <652AC662-4E5A-413B-AD6E-3FDAEBB9B4C0@icloud.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:14:32 -0800 To: Robert Nogueirao Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Lawn mower replacement From: old dirtbeard via Shop-talk Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6467840442450915338== --000000000000f402e8059ce5e47c Hi Bob, Have you thought about rebuilding the engine? Personally, that would be my first choice, check on the availability of parts, probably might need to have the cylinders bored, etc., but it could be a very enjoyable experience. Also, you could check ebay for a used engine. best, doug On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 8:45 AM Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > I have a 32 inch Zero turn radius lawnmower ( Gravely) that my tool and > equipment loving wife bought for me 12 years ago. Does a great job and it > is built literally like a tank, plate steel almost no sheet metal. Well > the. Engine is pretty much ready to retire. A replacement engine will > cost about $1200. For a bit more I could buy a new lawnmower but of much > lower quality than the Gravely and not a zero turn, which I love. > So to my question anyone have experience with the pump and servos on a > zero turn as to longevity? I hate the thought of buying a replacement > engine and having the pump or servo go out ($$$$.$$) > > Bob Nogueira > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com > > --000000000000f402e8059ce5e47c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Bob,

Have you thought about rebuildi= ng the engine? Personally, that would be my first choice, check on the avai= lability of parts, probably might need to have the cylinders bored, etc., b= ut it could be a very enjoyable experience.

Also, = you could check ebay for a used engine.=C2=A0

best= ,

doug

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 8:45 AM Robert= Nogueirao via Shop-talk <sh= op-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I have a 32 inch Zero turn radius lawnmower ( Gravely= ) that my tool and equipment loving wife bought for me 12 years ago.=C2=A0 = Does a great job and it is built literally like a tank, plate steel almost = no sheet metal.=C2=A0 Well the. Engine is pretty=C2=A0 much ready to retire= .=C2=A0 A replacement engine will cost about $1200.=C2=A0 For a bit more I = could buy a new lawnmower but of much lower quality than the Gravely and no= t a zero turn, which I love.
So to my question anyone have experience with the pump and servos on a zero= turn as to longevity?=C2=A0 I hate the thought of buying a replacement eng= ine and having the pump or servo go out ($$$$.$$)

Bob Nogueira
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From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8760917739306720280== boundary="Apple-Mail=_08F3D720-FCE9-4CD3-AA6A-1A63553196D8"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_08F3D720-FCE9-4CD3-AA6A-1A63553196D8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii I have a large roller suitcase that has a nylon strap and buckle riveted = into the body just under the grab handle for hooking a laptop bag, or = the telescoping handle of a carry-on bag, so that they are piggybacked. The plastic buckle broke, and while I can just use a loop around the big = suitcase's grab handle, it slides around and the smaller suitcase starts = fishtailing and eventually rolls over. I'd like to replace the buckles = but they are held in by a loop secured with a flat top, seemingly = proprietary rivet (stamped "Olympia"). The underside has a concave dished washer and normal deformed rivet tail = though it doesn't protrude beyond the concavity of teh washer. Can I = install the same type of rivet or should I get ones that are pounded = together and flat on both sides? 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([2600:380:6778:d5db:f54c:63b7:6ef9:9d56]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m138sm6661147ywd.56.2020.01.27.07.39.34 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Jan 2020 07:39:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 09:39:32 -0600 References: <09AC115E-D597-4C5D-B24E-C48EF5CE2D2D@groupwbench.org> To: Jim Franklin Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rivets for luggage strap? From: David Scheidt via Shop-talk Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > On Jan 27, 2020, at 07:32, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk wrote: > > I have a large roller suitcase that has a nylon strap and buckle riveted into the body just under the grab handle for hooking a laptop bag, or the telescoping handle of a carry-on bag, so that they are piggybacked. > > The plastic buckle broke, and while I can just use a loop around the big suitcase's grab handle, it slides around and the smaller suitcase starts fishtailing and eventually rolls over. I'd like to replace the buckles but they are held in by a loop secured with a flat top, seemingly proprietary rivet (stamped "Olympia"). > There is such things as repair buckles, which fit over an existing webbing loop. I would look for a suitable option before you attack the rivets. The buckles usually hav a slit in them that allow the webbings to be fed through. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive