On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 11:15 AM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:
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Hey all,=C2=A0

We live in a 1903 craftsman in WI that either has original windows or total= crap bucket replacements. Winter has finally arrived and I need to plastic= all the windows again. Last winter we adopted a couple Maine Coons that de= stroyed the plastic I put up. In order to stop that, I bought some of these (other plexiglass options were = stupid expensive with price gouging asshats taking advantage of the pandemi= c).=C2=A0

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QTGHCFY/r= ef=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1

I do not want to drill into the original and unpainted wood to hang these w= ith hooks.=C2=A0

Looking for double sided tape options that someone may know about that can = handle the weight of this plastic.=C2=A0

thanks

tim=C2=A0

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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Double sided tape with balls Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0123382041321638266== boundary="Apple-Mail=_F6516187-A048-4EA2-A540-BCBB237EDC29" --Apple-Mail=_F6516187-A048-4EA2-A540-BCBB237EDC29 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii I keep seeing ads for various brands of Nano tape that might be perfect = for your application. There are multiple brands and varieties of tape = available: = https://www.amazon.com/s?k=3Dalien+tape&crid=3DP8XNUBSDYBON&sprefix=3Dalie= n%2Caps%2C176&ref=3Dnb_sb_ss_ts-a-p_4_5 = But, I have absolutely no experience with it. It is just one of those = things I have filed away in the back of my brain in case I ever need it = and it occurs to me that it might work for your application.=20 Jim > On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 11:15 AM Tim . Hey all,=20 >=20 > We live in a 1903 craftsman in WI that either has original windows or = total crap bucket replacements. Winter has finally arrived and I need to = plastic all the windows again. Last winter we adopted a couple Maine = Coons that destroyed the plastic I put up. In order to stop that, I = bought some of these (other plexiglass options were stupid expensive = with price gouging asshats taking advantage of the pandemic).=20 >=20 > = https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QTGHCFY/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_= o00_s00?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1 = >=20 > I do not want to drill into the original and unpainted wood to hang = these with hooks.=20 >=20 > Looking for double sided tape options that someone may know about that = can handle the weight of this plastic.=20 >=20 > thanks > tim=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com = >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =3D Never offend people with style when you =3D > =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown =3D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_F6516187-A048-4EA2-A540-BCBB237EDC29 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii I = keep seeing ads for various brands of Nano tape that might be perfect = for your application. There are multiple brands and varieties of = tape available: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=3Dalien+tape&crid=3DP8XNUBSDYBON= &sprefix=3Dalien%2Caps%2C176&ref=3Dnb_sb_ss_ts-a-p_4_5

But, I have absolutely = no experience with it. It is just one of those = things I have filed away in the back of my brain in case I ever need it = and it occurs to me that it might work for your = application.

Jim

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 11:15 AM Tim . = <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:

Hey all,

We live in a 1903 craftsman in WI that either has original windows or = total crap bucket replacements. Winter has finally arrived and I need to = plastic all the windows again. Last winter we adopted a couple Maine = Coons that destroyed the plastic I put up. In order to stop that, I bought some of these (other plexiglass options = were stupid expensive with price gouging asshats taking advantage of the = pandemic).

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QTGHCFY/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_= asin_title_o00_s00?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1

I do not want to drill into the original and unpainted wood to hang = these with hooks.

Looking for double sided tape options that someone may know about that = can handle the weight of this plastic.

thanks

tim

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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Soil stack venting issue Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5606108858420607240== boundary="Apple-Mail=_0B3BECC2-F233-4454-A7A2-D43A1ABFEE4B" --Apple-Mail=_0B3BECC2-F233-4454-A7A2-D43A1ABFEE4B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii I would have bet a case of beer the boiling water wouldn't work, because = it would be too cool before it reached the grease attached to a giant = cast iron tee, and also it wouldn't get splashed onto enough grease to = melt it. However, a few gallons of hot sink water followed by a gallon = of boiling water, all while plunging furiously, did absolutely nothing = at first, but then a few hours later there was no gurgling from the tub = and it's been silent for a few days.=20 I'll get some of that bacteria/enzyme stuff as preventative maintenance.=20= The scope sounds like a great idea but the only access I have is from = the roof and it's about 12 feet from vent to to sink entry point. If = there's a dry day I'll drop a rock on a string down there and see what = happens.=20 Thanks all! jim > On Dec 7, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Jimmie Mayfield = wrote: >=20 > If it's grease build-up, you might try periodically pouring a gallon = or two of boiling water down the kitchen sink. >=20 > You might consider buying one of those cheap USB endoscopes from = Amazon or Ebay. I bought one for about $15 on Prime Day a couple years = ago. The camera quality is pretty bad but they're pretty long...mine is = about 15 feet. You could snake it down your kitchen drain clean-out and = see for yourself what's going on inside your pipes. >=20 >=20 > On 12/7/20 08:25, Jim Franklin wrote: >> Maybe some of you have an innovative solution... >>=20 >> My house has a single cast iron soil stack that does both drain and = vent. When I flush the toilet, it sucks air from the tub drain. The = toilet and tub enter the stack separately, but at the same height, using = an oddly specific T with a 4" toilet and a 2" tub inlet about 45 degrees = apart. The tub does not have its own vent. 2 years ago I had a plumber = snake the vent from the roof, he found "stuff", and it was fixed. Last = week it started again. >>=20 >> My kitchen sink T's into the stack at knee height, so it's the = highest item on the stack. My thought is, because it's a straight T, not = a sanitary T, stuff from the sink is solidifying inside the T when the = flow hits the back of the T, and eventually forming a cap of "stuff" = just above the T entry, sealing off any venting. I can't tell if the = sink is also being used as the toilet's vent because there are too many = walls in the way to hear what's happening. >>=20 >> My other thought is that the "stuff" is growing like a mold, and = sealing it off. Does stuff grow in drains? >>=20 >> Any thoughts on what it might be, and how to prevent it? I rarely put = oils down the drain, and when I do they are cold and mixed with Dawn to = emulsify it. There isn't enough canopy for leaves or squirrels to get in = the roof vent. >>=20 >> thanks, >> jim >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackhead= s.org = >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org = --Apple-Mail=_0B3BECC2-F233-4454-A7A2-D43A1ABFEE4B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii I = would have bet a case of beer the boiling water wouldn't work, because = it would be too cool before it reached the grease attached to a giant = cast iron tee, and also it wouldn't get splashed onto enough grease to = melt it. However, a few gallons of hot sink water followed by a gallon = of boiling water, all while plunging furiously, did absolutely nothing = at first, but then a few hours later there was no gurgling from the tub = and it's been silent for a few days.

I'll get some of that bacteria/enzyme = stuff as preventative maintenance.

The scope sounds like a great idea but = the only access I have is from the roof and it's about 12 feet from vent = to to sink entry point. If there's a dry day I'll drop a rock on a = string down there and see what happens.

Thanks all!

jim

On Dec = 7, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Jimmie Mayfield <mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org> wrote:

If it's grease build-up, you = might try periodically pouring a gallon or two of boiling water down the = kitchen sink.

You might = consider buying one of those cheap USB endoscopes from Amazon or = Ebay. I bought one for about $15 on Prime Day a couple years = ago. The camera quality is pretty bad but they're pretty = long...mine is about 15 feet. You could snake it down your kitchen = drain clean-out and see for yourself what's going on inside your = pipes.

On 12/7/20 = 08:25, Jim Franklin wrote:
Maybe some of you have an innovative = solution...

My house has a single cast iron = soil stack that does both drain and vent. When I flush the toilet, it = sucks air from the tub drain. The toilet and tub enter the stack = separately, but at the same height, using an oddly specific T with a 4" = toilet and a 2" tub inlet about 45 degrees apart. The tub does not have = its own vent. 2 years ago I had a plumber snake the vent from the roof, = he found "stuff", and it was fixed. Last week it started again.

My kitchen sink T's into the stack at knee = height, so it's the highest item on the stack. My thought is, because = it's a straight T, not a sanitary T, stuff from the sink is solidifying = inside the T when the flow hits the back of the T, and eventually = forming a cap of "stuff" just above the T entry, sealing off any = venting. I can't tell if the sink is also being used as the toilet's = vent because there are too many walls in the way to hear what's = happening.

My other thought is that the = "stuff" is growing like a mold, and sealing it off. Does stuff grow in = drains?

Any thoughts on what it might be, = and how to prevent it? I rarely put oils down the drain, and when I do = they are cold and mixed with Dawn to emulsify it. There isn't enough = canopy for leaves or squirrels to get in the roof vent.

thanks,
jim
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= --Apple-Mail=_0B3BECC2-F233-4454-A7A2-D43A1ABFEE4B-- --===============5606108858420607240== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============5606108858420607240==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 19:42:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEACA0923 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 19:42:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (unknown [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F5BA0923 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 19:39:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB9415E25C; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 21:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wjA-WQVq-sfN; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 21:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.14] (cpe-74-133-176-135.kya.res.rr.com [74.133.176.135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AEC6915E254; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 21:39:31 -0500 (EST) To: Jim Franklin References:

From: Jimmie Mayfield Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 21:39:30 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Soil stack venting issue Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5101705916528090727== boundary="------------914CF6D65E26B5BA79904E2D" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------914CF6D65E26B5BA79904E2D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Glad it seemed to work for you. Growing up, mom would pour a couple pots of boiling water down the kitchen drain every few weeks.� I can't say it was 100% effective since I remember several times having to help dad disassemble the plumbing to clean out the pipes on the driveway.� But I guess when done regularly it might help prevent large grease deposits from forming near the sink. On 12/12/20 5:03 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > I would have bet a case of beer the boiling water wouldn't work, > because it would be too cool before it reached the grease attached to > a giant cast iron tee, and also it wouldn't get splashed onto enough > grease to melt it. However, a few gallons of hot sink water followed > by a gallon of boiling water, all while plunging furiously, did > absolutely nothing at first, but then a few hours later there was no > gurgling from the tub and it's been silent for a few days. > > I'll get some of that bacteria/enzyme stuff as preventative maintenance. > > The scope sounds like a great idea but the only access I have is from > the roof and it's about 12 feet from vent to to sink entry point. If > there's a dry day I'll drop a rock on a string down there and see what > happens. > > Thanks all! > > jim > >> On Dec 7, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Jimmie Mayfield >> > >> If it's grease build-up, you might try periodically pouring a gallon >> or two of boiling water down the kitchen sink. >> >> You might consider buying one of those cheap USB endoscopes from >> Amazon or Ebay.� I bought one for about $15 on Prime Day a couple >> years ago.� The camera quality is pretty bad but they're pretty >> long...mine is about 15 feet.� You could snake it down your kitchen >> drain clean-out and see for yourself what's going on inside your pipes. >> >> >> On 12/7/20 08:25, Jim Franklin wrote: >>> Maybe some of you have an innovative solution... >>> >>> My house has a single cast iron soil stack that does both drain and >>> vent. When I flush the toilet, it sucks air from the tub drain. The >>> toilet and tub enter the stack separately, but at the same height, >>> using an oddly specific T with a 4" toilet and a 2" tub inlet about >>> 45 degrees apart. The tub does not have its own vent. 2 years ago I >>> had a plumber snake the vent from the roof, he found "stuff", and it >>> was fixed. Last week it started again. >>> >>> My kitchen sink T's into the stack at knee height, so it's the >>> highest item on the stack. My thought is, because it's a straight T, >>> not a sanitary T, stuff from the sink is solidifying inside the T >>> when the flow hits the back of the T, and eventually forming a cap >>> of "stuff" just above the T entry, sealing off any venting. I can't >>> tell if the sink is also being used as the toilet's vent because >>> there are too many walls in the way to hear what's happening. >>> >>> My other thought is that the "stuff" is growing like a mold, and >>> sealing it off. Does stuff grow in drains? >>> >>> Any thoughts on what it might be, and how to prevent it? I rarely >>> put oils down the drain, and when I do they are cold and mixed with >>> Dawn to emulsify it. There isn't enough canopy for leaves or >>> squirrels to get in the roof vent. >>> >>> thanks, >>> jim >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation �$12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation �$12.96 >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org >> > --------------914CF6D65E26B5BA79904E2D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Glad it seemed to work for you.� Growing up, mom would pour a couple pots of boiling water down the kitchen drain every few weeks.� I can't say it was 100% effective since I remember several times having to help dad disassemble the plumbing to clean out the pipes on the driveway.� But I guess when done regularly it might help prevent large grease deposits from forming near the sink.

On 12/12/20 5:03 PM, Jim Franklin wrote:

I would have bet a case of beer the boiling water wouldn't work, because it would be too cool before it reached the grease attached to a giant cast iron tee, and also it wouldn't get splashed onto enough grease to melt it. However, a few gallons of hot sink water followed by a gallon of boiling water, all while plunging furiously, did absolutely nothing at first, but then a few hours later there was no gurgling from the tub and it's been silent for a few days.�

I'll get some of that bacteria/enzyme stuff as preventative maintenance.�

The scope sounds like a great idea but the only access I have is from the roof and it's about 12 feet from vent to to sink entry point. If there's a dry day I'll drop a rock on a string down there and see what happens.�

Thanks all!

jim

On Dec 7, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Jimmie Mayfield <mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org> wrote:

If it's grease build-up, you might try periodically pouring a gallon or two of boiling water down the kitchen sink.

You might consider buying one of those cheap USB endoscopes from Amazon or Ebay.� I bought one for about $15 on Prime Day a couple years ago.� The camera quality is pretty bad but they're pretty long...mine is about 15 feet.� You could snake it down your kitchen drain clean-out and see for yourself what's going on inside your pipes.

On 12/7/20 08:25, Jim Franklin wrote:

Maybe some of you have an innovative solution...

My house has a single cast iron soil stack that does both drain and vent. When I flush the toilet, it sucks air from the tub drain. The toilet and tub enter the stack separately, but at the same height, using an oddly specific T with a 4" toilet and a 2" tub inlet about 45 degrees apart. The tub does not have its own vent. 2 years ago I had a plumber snake the vent from the roof, he found "stuff", and it was fixed. Last week it started again.

My kitchen sink T's into the stack at knee height, so it's the highest item on the stack. My thought is, because it's a straight T, not a sanitary T, stuff from the sink is solidifying inside the T when the flow hits the back of the T, and eventually forming a cap of "stuff" just above the T entry, sealing off any venting. I can't tell if the sink is also being used as the toilet's vent because there are too many walls in the way to hear what's happening.

My other thought is that the "stuff" is growing like a mold, and sealing it off. Does stuff grow in drains?

Any thoughts on what it might be, and how to prevent it? I rarely put oils down the drain, and when I do they are cold and mixed with Dawn to emulsify it. There isn't enough canopy for leaves or squirrels to get in the roof vent.

thanks,
jim
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Any ideas?

Thanks.

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 0062209985258641_=-- --===============5093709298197160916== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============5093709298197160916==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 11:17:16 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B7EA04D2 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 11:17:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (unknown [206.152.134.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABDCA04A8 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 11:16:28 -0700 (MST) q=dns/txt; i=@mebtel.net; t=1608228988; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=xzJ60C92/ZzeupxARQDGfbu6THU=; b=Ek46+y+ibX1p3SxvXft5MLwb0NRMzGv9BByPunxoHqRc+pOrKgxLN+omk+yl32dW bzgZknq4HbCKwcVjAAdSpPUkGja6ZkNTvhRSSR3qMzzGxbkvaVIY8KNH9xPe95+d 39h2esqEeo82uKuqW4OA/5revEmtHUV6TyoopNe0SGamc/R98dCkaqFFPSIFZnU5 y9M8TSbxT3T/P7jCVGa55aznWwzIpFUogmOOJMPsUy7RFsQFu/4fTuo99fvqiFEx pOj1XuXFwgw3urnBkc5QTQWWufyk5/ouGF3qWir9Nc+KBLnOh87N6kGZi9QOIEVw dZGomyJsFKtIQH+RlkAmqg==; X_CMAE_Category: , , a=TtooePOmDaCrvw1kNsoF+w==:117 a=TtooePOmDaCrvw1kNsoF+w==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=zTNgK-yGK50A:10 a=KlU2pWyFyn8A:10 a=eQrCS-SpgXYA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=XeHPMFbFB_qYZ_yvEMAA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=BEGLBJoktVFOwxDOZgkA:9 a=PtANSTo3rDUH2GH5:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=vGgPcN4G-ktUWJNYb7fx:22 Feedback-ID: dfw:ctl:res:onyx Authentication-Results: smtp02.onyx.dfw.sync.lan smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.69.178.204] ([71.69.178.204:62013] helo=[192.168.0.4]) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES128-GCM-SHA256) id 4B/A9-22207-C70ABDF5; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 13:16:28 -0500 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Eric Russell Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 13:16:28 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire studs Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1036625230942463741== boundary="------------DD3AD4197C8D9FF354AB6190" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DD3AD4197C8D9FF354AB6190 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A gazillion years ago (before the invention of dirt) I wanted to put studded snow tires on my daily driver MGA. (I lived in Massachusetts then.) Tire stores were not allowed to sell studded snow tires. But they could sell snow tires and a package of studs for the DIY'er to install. The tires had a series of holes molded into the tread. The package of studs - they looked like solid rivets - came with an installation tool sort of like a screwdriver handle. Put the stud into the end of the tool, press the head of the stud into the holes molded into the tread and push until they were seated. It was a lot of work but I was young and hearty. As I recall, the studs had to be installed before the tires were driven on - I assume that otherwise the holes might get filled with dirt (a new invention) preventing the studs from being fully seated. Eric Russell Mebane, NC On 12/17/2020 12:51 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, I'm looking to put studs on my zero turn tractor for when I'm > plowing snow. �Is there any 'method' to putting them on? �How many per > tire? �Patterns? �The tires are a knobby design and work pretty good > in the snow already, but once the snow packs a little to ice, they > can't get any bite. �So I figured some studs would be perfect. --------------DD3AD4197C8D9FF354AB6190 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

A gazillion years ago (before the invention of dirt) I wanted to put studded snow tires on my daily driver MGA. (I lived in Massachusetts then.) Tire stores were not allowed to sell studded snow tires. But they could sell snow tires and a package of studs for the DIY'er to install. The tires had a series of holes molded into the tread. The package of studs - they looked like solid rivets - came with an installation tool sort of like a screwdriver handle. Put the stud into the end of the tool, press the head of the stud into the holes molded into the tread and push until they were seated. It was a lot of work but I was young and hearty. As I recall, the studs had to be installed before the tires were driven on - I assume that otherwise the holes might get filled with dirt (a new invention) preventing the studs from being fully seated.

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

On 12/17/2020 12:51 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

OK, I'm looking to put studs on my zero turn tractor for when I'm plowing snow. �Is there any 'method' to putting them on? �How many per tire? �Patterns? �The tires are a knobby design and work pretty good in the snow already, but once the snow packs a little to ice, they can't get any bite. �So I figured some studs would be perfect.

--------------DD3AD4197C8D9FF354AB6190-- --===============1036625230942463741== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1036625230942463741==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 11:28:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9C0A07F3 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 11:28:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f41.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE962A07D8 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 11:23:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-io1-f41.google.com with SMTP id q137so28435131iod.9 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 10:23:32 -0800 (PST) h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to :date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=vlETlorKElC2vvRZAOxvRii5DtydIhfCrC/SNMIvcKQ=; b=aFsTRAZXe8JAZLTd/bjuqwpw69twDT0y4i2r6aGzNhxCjn3qMarQm5oUA+vzLE1oNX RDvVZQpeOWXhFJmlVMh9KmsXc7q8V9OIB5bqiUuGJ1J/zIPMPZXYa2NXQvdfx6LOaX6Z PfloHbTibSIMHPio5q8JaR2oiy56vElVxE0SCOtotMdaNbU/r/xKS6RUdsPKA/tqZCdc okHGZ0W/UMyqPQnW14u9RFJFHqX9ym+UhxhmAgVzQwxjsHqAljaWv+3uew1cKELazCVd +4fDn9GXCgi2zcSDF7X3HLiy3zAcLlqwz2S7lM3clziU1Y7dBj0FfByvGv4vRyaqOuMD tyig== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=vlETlorKElC2vvRZAOxvRii5DtydIhfCrC/SNMIvcKQ=; b=gMst9jAxHF1h7S2sKXNjxBmcn6vdYtVT6RrT4EKBNrrmAryujx1WkDUm8MyTg4xhMq w4NcymmbBaleMAMnp+7pilQnhSn7chSoh5cbLVJWAhc7Fr4/Q3jLVEUEqIj5zKcM0LxO zrceiZT17owQHURHHqxXPiZj/wMf3s2POJ5qmqRXlZFP8eqKS1n55DdVUta4z6JnY1is GyYCZqH1GRR7B67EyfXh6SQDBBCDVuFbN0te5glqRZwQ6vqZyR24JIr3t10x0lAvMt5g GzFUIYAsXD8reTv3E9pARtazJX55bq1K6vbpeYi9i/MM+HB8AimI6CjJXtHBV978w1+I A8Aw== Vsi5ArHqaKcp9/TmopA465M= Thu, 17 Dec 2020 10:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:448:8500:3f00:adf8:c526:740b:fa17? ([2601:448:8500:3f00:adf8:c526:740b:fa17]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p3sm14649590iol.35.2020.12.17.10.23.31 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 17 Dec 2020 10:23:32 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Ethier Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 12:23:31 -0600 References: <474a4c9d-74f7-ad09-90a9-55418970b0a7@mebtel.net> To: Eric Russell Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire studs Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7373429694302365094== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-656B0CBD-7FE2-467F-9253-3B14D9C22A4F charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Buy chains Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Eric Russell wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > A gazillion years ago (before the invention of dirt) I wanted to put studd= ed snow tires on my daily driver MGA. (I lived in Massachusetts then.) Tire s= tores were not allowed to sell studded snow tires. But they could sell snow t= ires and a package of studs for the DIY'er to install. The tires had a serie= s of holes molded into the tread. The package of studs - they looked like so= lid rivets - came with an installation tool sort of like a screwdriver handl= e. Put the stud into the end of the tool, press the head of the stud into th= e holes molded into the tread and push until they were seated. It was a lot o= f work but I was young and hearty. As I recall, the studs had to be installe= d before the tires were driven on - I assume that otherwise the holes might g= et filled with dirt (a new invention) preventing the studs from being fully s= eated.=20 >=20 > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC=20 >=20 > On 12/17/2020 12:51 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: >> OK, I'm looking to put studs on my zero turn tractor for when I'm plowing= snow. Is there any 'method' to putting them on? How many per tire? Patte= rns? The tires are a knobby design and work pretty good in the snow already= , but once the snow packs a little to ice, they can't get any bite. So I fi= gured some studs would be perfect.=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pethie= r7@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-656B0CBD-7FE2-467F-9253-3B14D9C22A4F charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Buy chains

Sent fro= m my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2= 020, at 12:17 PM, Eric Russell <ejrussell@mebtel.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF =20 =20 =20
A gazillion years ago (before the invention of dirt) I wanted to put studded snow tires on my daily driver MGA. (I lived in Massachusetts then.) Tire stores were not allowed to sell studded snow tires. But they could sell snow tires and a package of studs for the DIY'er to install. The tires had a series of holes molded into the tread. The package of studs - they looked like solid rivets - came with an installation tool sort of like a screwdriver handle. Put the stud into the end of the tool, press the head of the stud into the holes molded into the tread and push until they were seated. It was a lot of work but I was young and hearty. As I recall, the studs had to be installed before the tires were driven on - I assume that otherwise the holes might get filled with dirt (a new invention) preventing the studs from being fully seated.

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

On 12/17/2020 12:51 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

OK, I'm looking to put studs on my zero turn tractor for when I'm plowing snow. Is there any 'method' to putting them on? How many per tire? Patterns? The t= ires are a knobby design and work pretty good in the snow already, but once the snow packs a little to ice, they can't get any bite. So I figured some studs would be perfect.

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>Buy chains

Why would chains be better? For the past 20 some years, I've used chains on that tractor. They are loud, they bounce the tractor everywhere, they break and come off all the time.

I want to try studs and I can't find any real negatives for them. Why would chains be better?

Thanks.

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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To: Shop Talk Thread-Topic: Anyone ever use these? 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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7322381613995699673== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_DS7PR19MB4629352861700A4495D44BD0B4C40DS7PR19MB4629namp_" --_000_DS7PR19MB4629352861700A4495D44BD0B4C40DS7PR19MB4629namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My soldering skills are ok on bigger gauge wires. However, when trying to f= ix a computer power cord, of the three wires is thinner gauge than I've eve= r seen....looks to be no more than 10 strands of copper. My first try faile= d so I wonder if I should use something like this.... https://www.google.com/search?q=3Deasy+solder+wire+connectors&rlz=3D1C1KDEC= _enUS921US921&oq=3Deas&aqs=3Dchrome.1.69i57j35i39i457j0i67l4j69i65l2.5450j0= j7&sourceid=3Dchrome&ie=3DUTF-8#kpvalbx=3D_7ejbX6v6M9GF9PwPvPqG0As8 thoughts? thanks tim --_000_DS7PR19MB4629352861700A4495D44BD0B4C40DS7PR19MB4629namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My soldering skills are ok on bigger gauge wires. However, when trying to f= ix a computer power cord, of the three wires is thinner gauge than I've eve= r seen....looks to be no more than 10 strands of copper. My first try faile= d so I wonder if I should use something like this....

https://www.google.com/search?q= =3Deasy+solder+wire+connectors&rlz=3D1C1KDEC_enUS921US921&oq=3Deas&= amp;aqs=3Dchrome.1.69i57j35i39i457j0i67l4j69i65l2.5450j0j7&sourceid=3Dc= hrome&ie=3DUTF-8#kpvalbx=3D_7ejbX6v6M9GF9PwPvPqG0As8

thoughts?

thanks

tim

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I used them multiple time to wire my trailer a few weeks ago.

They worked much better than I thought they would but I was using them on 18 and 16 gauge stranded wire. I used a heat gun to melt the solder and shrink the tubing. After that I wiped several layers of "liquid electrical tape" and then silicone tape over them to ensure they would stay dry and to help remove the physical load of the wire in the splice. The "bundle" was then firmly attached to the trailer frame to avoid any movement.

"Computer power cord" is a little vague so I'm not sure how it would work out. My concerns would be related to the durability of the connection after it has been completed, especially if there will be any flex or movement of the wires after the connection is made.

Arvid

On 12/17/20 5:33 PM, Tim . wrote:

My soldering skills are ok on bigger gauge wires. However, when trying to fix a computer power cord, of the three wires is thinner gauge than I've ever seen....looks to be no more than 10 strands of copper. My first try failed so I wonder if I should use something like this....

https://www.google.com/search?q=easy+solder+wire+connectors&rlz=1C1KDEC_enUS921US921&oq=eas&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j35i39i457j0i67l4j69i65l2.5450j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#kpvalbx=_7ejbX6v6M9GF9PwPvPqG0As8

thoughts?

thanks

tim
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--------------FB6DE057080B852BBD397BE1-- --===============7163999949831607229== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7163999949831607229==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 18:00:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3DAA06BF for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 18:00:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nexicom.net (unknown [216.168.96.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16E5A06AB for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 17:59:54 -0700 (MST) x-ip-name=216.168.118.185; Received: from DESKTOPGTRP1AU (unverified [216.168.118.185]) by nexicom.net (SurgeMail 6.6d) with ESMTP id 181406340-1712458 for multiple; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 19:59:27 -0500 From: "Doug Armstrong" To: "'Tom Coradeschi'" , "'shop-talk'" References: <8CB85EA6-2AF9-4253-82AF-FA0454D8D6A3@icloud.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 19:59:25 -0500 Thread-Index: AQG8ORHFpyjOt06gdcKteVogwXrzfgF7Vm0tqiVjpXA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire studs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have an old John Deere lawn tractor that had turf tires on the rear. Swapped them for Carlisle All Trail ATV Tires that I had loaded with winter windshield washer fluid. They work well on flat asphalt. I occasionally have problems on slopes when icy. Doug Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Tom Coradeschi Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 1:35 PM To: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire studs Ah, studs. Back In The Day (late 70 s/early 80 s), we studded a lot of snow tires. Had a nifty pneumatic tool which made it a pretty straightforward job. That being said, unless the tires are stud-ready , in that they have holes for you to insert the studs into, not sure how you d make that happen. Maybe a set of tire chains? Tom Coradeschi tjcora@icloud.com > On 17 Dec 2020, at 12:51 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > > OK, I'm looking to put studs on my zero turn tractor for when I'm plowing snow. Is there any 'method' to putting them on? How many per tire? Patterns? The tires are a knobby design and work pretty good in the snow already, but once the snow packs a little to ice, they can't get any bite. So I figured some studs would be perfect. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John > Galt?_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora@icloud.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 18:34:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760F6A06E9 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 18:34:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (unknown [206.152.134.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C22A0551 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 18:34:20 -0700 (MST) q=dns/txt; i=@mebtel.net; t=1608255260; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=J92dVQLE8ak1C9SwUnaeMV34GOQ=; b=mq0zAjMVM4P/pIpFBj5oEMcAFp+Qkvkn4+UKDNY3eMThnk4D0c8GP0yNHUhKw2jw PqndeEdF2hAS7KjqY7pJQQijXh8xVLIv+QeLaQbOBKGRyH7oupFebyldfC+Q4B7Z yIBrdoSf4HJKJj4kLg4wowz/EzvI/f59ifLICvXEUYCwBgWrVJxXKsqApDfGQ4Sm v8IrDKjlPnPOUd4vWdK6nHnD9irWuN2nNki9ob+kLeQhDR+sDxXuBqaGaRGLAPEB /utYRj+wJ2iNQRvYKfdOQ4mM5l9Zyu9ol1rOtN4fuNvzp+iUJLb3VI2i+neqxSRU znfDdWBo1YvyK/nPsCGt0w==; X_CMAE_Category: , , a=TtooePOmDaCrvw1kNsoF+w==:117 a=TtooePOmDaCrvw1kNsoF+w==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=zTNgK-yGK50A:10 a=KlU2pWyFyn8A:10 a=eQrCS-SpgXYA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=_FR11dw5swWeRW8094MA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=UqCG9HQmAAAA:8 a=RUI4spPMjxGDlO4fIGQA:9 a=lgl0W5RZWXmIrVBM:21 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Feedback-ID: dfw:ctl:res:onyx Authentication-Results: smtp04.onyx.dfw.sync.lan smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.69.178.204] ([71.69.178.204:27650] helo=[192.168.0.4]) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES128-GCM-SHA256) id 15/26-13071-C170CDF5; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 20:34:20 -0500 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Eric Russell Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 20:34:20 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anyone ever use these? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3902434701105302017== boundary="------------E70AE56B6CAFA4ED3523870F" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E70AE56B6CAFA4ED3523870F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are you sure they are actually copper? -- Eric Russell Mebane, NC On 12/17/2020 6:33 PM, Tim . wrote: > My soldering skills are ok on bigger gauge wires. However, when trying > to fix a computer power cord, of the three wires is thinner gauge than > I've ever seen....looks to be no more than 10 strands of copper. My > first try failed so I wonder if I should use something like this.... --------------E70AE56B6CAFA4ED3523870F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Are you sure they are actually copper?

-- 
Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

On 12/17/2020 6:33 PM, Tim . wrote:

My soldering skills are ok on bigger gauge wires. However, when trying to fix a computer power cord, of the three wires is thinner gauge than I've ever seen....looks to be no more than 10 strands of copper. My first try failed so I wonder if I should use something like this....

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To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] Anyone ever use these? 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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6262060374469850534== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_DS7PR19MB4629AB7FF1B8926D83DCDE20B4C30DS7PR19MB4629namp_" --_000_DS7PR19MB4629AB7FF1B8926D83DCDE20B4C30DS7PR19MB4629namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Are you sure they are actually copper?" Do you mean the wires I am trying to solder? Um...yea...pretty sure they ar= e copper. Does HP make their power cables from something other than copper? ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Eric Russel= l Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 7:34 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anyone ever use these? Are you sure they are actually copper? -- Eric Russell Mebane, NC On 12/17/2020 6:33 PM, Tim . wrote: My soldering skills are ok on bigger gauge wires. However, when trying to f= ix a computer power cord, of the three wires is thinner gauge than I've eve= r seen....looks to be no more than 10 strands of copper. My first try faile= d so I wonder if I should use something like this.... --_000_DS7PR19MB4629AB7FF1B8926D83DCDE20B4C30DS7PR19MB4629namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Are you sure they are actually copper?"

Do you= mean the wires I am trying to solder? Um...yea...pretty sure they are copp= er.

Does H= P make their power cables from something other than copper?

From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Eric Russell <ejrussell@mebte= l.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 7:34 PM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anyone ever use these?

Are you sure they are act= ually copper?

-- =0A=
Eric Russell=0A=
Mebane, NC

On 12/17/2020 6:33 PM, Tim . wrote:

My soldering skills are ok on bigger gauge wires. However, when trying to f= ix a computer power cord, of the three wires is thinner gauge than I've eve= r seen....looks to be no more than 10 strands of copper. My first try faile= d so I wonder if I should use something like this....

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From: Eric Russell Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 21:25:36 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anyone ever use these? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6683653058666380449== boundary="------------A98345A60E4E1F47650B09EB" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A98345A60E4E1F47650B09EB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 12/17/2020 9:07 PM, Tim . wrote: > "Are you sure they are actually copper?" > > Do you mean the wires I am trying to solder? Um...yea...pretty sure > they are copper. > > Does HP make their power cables from something other than copper? Of course I have no idea what HP might use. But I have dealt with wires that ain't what they appear. If you scrape the wires with a knife blade do they still look like copper? -- Eric Russell Mebane, NC --------------A98345A60E4E1F47650B09EB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

On 12/17/2020 9:07 PM, Tim . wrote:

"Are you sure they are actually copper?"

Do you mean the wires I am trying to solder? Um...yea...pretty sure they are copper.�

Does HP make their power cables from something other than copper?

Of course I have no idea what HP might use. But I have dealt with wires that ain't what they appear. If you scrape the wires with a knife blade do they still look like copper?

-- 
Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

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, <746c0e18-a646-fd92-4e63-f5e809527312@mebtel.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:2EB46A7A5ED5802E763848E3343235E22235F296FC10D5C470B0E198BD73E1DC; UpperCasedChecksum:92773914BBDB5C32BA3CDE4F8AFD97F2544001523353F2E79BE49B0380FF1B95; SizeAsReceived:7210; Count:44 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 44 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 2e4e3cc5-fad0-4097-938f-08d8a2fcdbf3 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BN8NAM11HT151: x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: fImkUlHVPTAdfeg48gqYWyHEyXSo7ILVuMGGSNrfd6DnS856eM3tcholb2q8sQ/e6ojoSMx1ulpO2j4hWOGGmk9JCLsE1uw+VGviGQ4t2Ql3tpBtIJfTFIy6DtkuU847dW4kgsIA0J93/3VN5ztR8J3xgN51keyUmsMs5aI2KmanuTYY5NmgZ4itRpJ9vAnV7y0Z36TyNkoxs33+JFCgqngxtJRJRUGid5p6xcUbltRoMo4qSjgIn61NxZdkOwbS x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: dUSIqDmX/bcytQTNDMlrm9KbrTFJTD1kcWfQlQJUoThIYS3/ov9GHtkQTybJqHguY0xsQymCpE7weNv9tfU6NqeAIcnpgGSgYsotk+UAOfT0HU5k633xYtRUTmOQ0m4gz+zd5ntK+31rv/UIjMHhN7dXNEAeKWP3KfUxID5Ifslhtcqaq189lSB17mQuwKr839cfFTpZOUtnv+aQrtAX9w== x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anyone ever use these? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2613923638338159332== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_DS7PR19MB46296B822E04DCC5E040FA67B4C30DS7PR19MB4629namp_" --_000_DS7PR19MB46296B822E04DCC5E040FA67B4C30DS7PR19MB4629namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmmm...well, I can try that but they are so thin I'd guess that there won't= be much to scrape. I was able to strip the blue wires with my finger nail.= ...... ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Eric Russel= l Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 8:25 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anyone ever use these? On 12/17/2020 9:07 PM, Tim . wrote: "Are you sure they are actually copper?" Do you mean the wires I am trying to solder? Um...yea...pretty sure they ar= e copper. Does HP make their power cables from something other than copper? Of course I have no idea what HP might use. But I have dealt with wires tha= t ain't what they appear. If you scrape the wires with a knife blade do the= y still look like copper? -- Eric Russell Mebane, NC --_000_DS7PR19MB46296B822E04DCC5E040FA67B4C30DS7PR19MB4629namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

hmmm...well, I can try that but they are so thin I'd guess that there won't= be much to scrape. I was able to strip the blue wires with my finger nail.= ......

From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Eric Russell <ejrussell@mebte= l.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 8:25 PM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anyone ever use these?

On 12/17/2020 9:07 PM, Ti= m . wrote:

"Are you sure they are actually copper?"<= /div>

Do you mean = the wires I am trying to solder? Um...yea...pretty sure they are copper.&nb= sp;

Does HP make= their power cables from something other than copper?

Of course I have no idea = what HP might use. But I have dealt with wires that ain't what they appear.= If you scrape the wires with a knife blade do they still look like copper?

-- =0A=
Eric Russell=0A=
Mebane, NC

--_000_DS7PR19MB46296B822E04DCC5E040FA67B4C30DS7PR19MB4629namp_-- --===============2613923638338159332== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2613923638338159332==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 19:43:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C296A09BF for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 19:43:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-il1-f171.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DE8A06DD for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 19:39:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-il1-f171.google.com with SMTP id v3so836433ilo.5 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 18:39:19 -0800 (PST) h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language; bh=agIY2jNcLZYUCoGpcntSdoUIYXU+r/a6Ed8aLhZjcoI=; b=thRFXcU4Xvt/GpnmfivNVYkjDIUFJVruF/6qOAwUJDIg+mRXVSdGsr1Y1/XfPmSiMA jsABSTg/pfwA8njy4XSNk6xMLT1+gw1+kfNCbnZm4xuBCzCX/zpzwWlSPLY4FtyOuciM i0S0SBSYHF33yw295raVUUxhGCqd40D5uQj45KkNOOkKq67sqxaNXa4LOXypVKVD9VPX hHiTjE+cFhDGnkK9msq5KDk8T5545JekK4Nsi8s65xNGLCJhGM2drDzp/G0BAhsYfcQ8 FGzHuQIcNtVmhJ2qjY3uyPB/vTaYpRSqWCCE+98N0vSDNHduH6/m6LbhV+w8lLmcXEwF X8Sw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=agIY2jNcLZYUCoGpcntSdoUIYXU+r/a6Ed8aLhZjcoI=; b=Cb37gooZeU8kPJaKqzjsxi+AJW3r7Y57o4Nm1BSqCIOORmCzafQWYJNzlGXyy65QCG Vknw3pqczxEw896pX0oTSnBLSfFFgJNFfW11VmC7DoKSg0/hzKoIam2x44a+lG8T+bmM 50vYG3Ha9TVQTjQrlOl2zVMptWwIrpnQR4T2A14wr/SRVbNpYb0h6gAnZCz32x5brP8O 3RwwOCX79izVprEWsMVp5AewTj3sXAxZJ17UQMZkqsa6bUgGa7oUuT6Z/4r1WIfuKWli e46N+MDRAMMu9XqaOO8nljsXsCaHLlCXgfPygXRpDU3flEB6aQGmbF+9RmhwRmoYfc8i aj1A== +pBapv+829s9IJOQYrTCSK7DYAn1YS6cow== Thu, 17 Dec 2020 18:39:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.63] ([76.164.52.114]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j9sm4606770ile.59.2020.12.17.18.39.18 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 17 Dec 2020 18:39:18 -0800 (PST) To: eric@megageek.com, Shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <474a4c9d-74f7-ad09-90a9-55418970b0a7@mebtel.net> <6B406607-A3BC-4158-A878-255638581F89@gmail.com> From: Arvid Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 20:39:17 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire studs Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4811512742939493293== boundary="------------FE7CCD29A0D60EC166A40DB5" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FE7CCD29A0D60EC166A40DB5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've had the opposite experience. When I bought my JD X595 17 years ago I bought an additional set of lug type tires mounted on wheels and a set of chains. Deflated the tires, mounted the chains as tight as I could, inflated the tires. Chains were really snug on the tires. Used safety wire to ensure the loose ends were no longer loose ends. Take the wheels off every spring, on every fall. Significantly easier than taking the chains on and off the tires. Never had an issue. I am assuming the tires are about the same size as are on your zero-turn ... 26 x 12-12. Guess I was just lucky. Arvid On 12/17/20 12:31 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Phil writes... > > >Buy chains > > Why would chains be better? �For the past 20 some years, I've used chains on that tractor. �They are loud, they bounce the tractor everywhere, they break and come off all the time. > > I want to try studs and I can't find any real negatives for them. �Why would chains be better? > > Thanks. > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt? > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/arvidj999@gmail.com > --------------FE7CCD29A0D60EC166A40DB5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I've had the opposite experience.

When I bought my JD X595 17 years ago I bought an additional set of lug type tires mounted on wheels and a set of chains. Deflated the tires, mounted the chains as tight as I could, inflated the tires. Chains were really snug on the tires. Used safety wire to ensure the loose ends were no longer loose ends. Take the wheels off every spring, on every fall. Significantly easier than taking the chains on and off the tires. Never had an issue. I am assuming the tires are about the same size as are on your zero-turn ... 26 x 12-12.

Guess I was just lucky.

Arvid

On 12/17/20 12:31 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

Phil writes...

>Buy chains

Why would chains be better? �For the past 20 some years, I've used chains on that tractor. �They are loud, they bounce the tractor everywhere, they break and come off all the time.

I want to try studs and I can't find any real negatives for them. �Why would chains be better?

Thanks.

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt?
_______________________________________________

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 6:34 PM Tim . wrote: > > My soldering skills are ok on bigger gauge wires. However, when trying to fix a computer power cord, of the three wires is thinner gauge than I've ever seen....looks to be no more than 10 strands of copper. Can you post a picture of the cord in question? There may be other solutions.... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 05:04:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB00A09FA for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2020 05:04:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lf1-f54.google.com (unknown [209.85.167.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65831A051E for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2020 05:04:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lf1-f54.google.com with SMTP id x20so4737286lfe.12 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2020 04:04:09 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NU5ZvvLSYi5D7lHzUu6Nsix6ZUB2j3KXyRh42/fYe6E=; b=AKfgQ4UMRzhagr2497iok3oxbgzYbq/Fa79uzK8UCnCz3WrHpQBEzl8GchKo3g5fJ2 H3Q2lZl6z0+QP8m5nsPGoC0oINxdku5IBvcgY4zOz4B86jJdDMttf3fOWuaVj8OHZBYh ThVLjwV+yKj6pt1HKv5cVNSQI9eCwI3YE5YkHCL7HTEBTC7sHipgHQkrctipzgqRq5f9 X7T3vtEe1NgnBIVfKwnRiqklhyh4Yrwh+V6cOdyhnSFTjgdOPbFl9SpIPzEYCAUD79YV pAqEzW9zPzvoNeaSQkTJSur/BlROljf30m4MOjNCTu/Bbo1atul9hREL+HWMBmXjNKrI LlzA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NU5ZvvLSYi5D7lHzUu6Nsix6ZUB2j3KXyRh42/fYe6E=; b=a2kDC//qMHArXoUo9KTb5TIZVOM7PrAV1Jb8LNSWwLPtgJEpC9xOQqHOP2yfrLA8HT 4bL+DLPzxRXHC3QsCZ0di+0g30Vp1aJiszwO5BDAx47/eyKOc3DUFJVDDb6jz2+eO1yM KutDB/ISwiYXFbWCHjQHmXdCcSKmbgNKJNei8AT0LHaKLrpuMOisBAPHwIRc1U2Rbkgg VXR4YxXHEnKy0LGZ5tHZXTu+/G3CUQdtbTMVYILX6Y359eggIL3B7XWwAnZ/sz3YvHXo IyOwoBzZ5x+B6CRBkA8dDYP0mkicwisrN8yaIM/MHEGOpsfxJBskjRofjVWbdm32NAAY fpdA== w11kJga/AtnYFqN0WqsAAJXyc5htOSMITzez7WMxt/AVUR0= Fri, 18 Dec 2020 04:04:08 -0800 (PST) References: From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 07:03:57 -0500 To: eric@megageek.com Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire studs Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Forgive me for what I'm about to say, as I'm a Florida boy and have only ever seen snow every few years, and just a couple of inches at that. Never had to shovel, never had to plow...never even saw a plow until I was over 40 years old... Reading Arvid's suggestion, could one make a set of solid steel wheels with nubs welded on them? It would be a rough ride, but it might work and be cheap. Can you dismount a tire and drive sheet metal screws through from inside to outside? THen use a tube and a heavy rubber belt to protect the tube from the screw heads... Maybe flat head screws would go in enough to not need protection. How about moving down south, where these things just don't exist? When I was much younger, I worked with a guy from Colorado. He was the one that introduced me to the concept of studded tires. He told me that the studs take a set after a season of driving, and their favorite thing was to go out on an evening after the last snowfall to a dark road, and swap the rear tires from side to side. Then, when you did a burnout, the studs would catch and be ejected from the tires, producing a brilliant arc of glowing sparks that could be seen for miles across the mountains. Sounds like great fun to me. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:52 PM wrote: > > OK, I'm looking to put studs on my zero turn tractor for when I'm plowing snow. Is there any 'method' to putting them on? How many per tire? Patterns? The tires are a knobby design and work pretty good in the snow already, but once the snow packs a little to ice, they can't get any bite. So I figured some studs would be perfect. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." 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Blair" LxmG7KUDIYneXIfKuTOK41nv63JDctnSMHW+wHwOtUeaEaPbA5wKFurk9vi7soz5o3GgIBNFmkukRKPRpRRSrbW6sNzt/VdUi9s= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anyone ever use these? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1400261167831483192== boundary="=====================_1969278==.ALT" --=====================_1969278==.ALT At 06:33 PM 12/17/2020, you wrote: >My soldering skills are ok on bigger gauge wires. However, when trying to fix a >computer power cord, of the three wires is thinner gauge than I've ever >seen....looks to be no more than 10 strands of copper. My first try failed so I >wonder if I should use something like this.... >https://www.google.com/search?q=easy+solder+wire+connectors&rlz=1C1KDEC_enUS921US921&oq=eas&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j35i39i457j0i67l4j69i65l2.5450j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#kpvalbx=_7ejbX6v6M9GF9PwPvPqG0As8 Tim, I've used them on a buddy truck. He was trying to add in a switch and an additional aux. power outlet, ie. cigarette lighter. Worked well. At least my buddy hasn't been back for me to fix it in 2 yrs. I assume that if it is designed to connect 2 18gauge wires, that it can handle the current that an 18gauge wire can handle. You can get kits for many different sizes of wire. They are color coded for the wire size, and therefore, I assume, it's current carrying capacity. I don't see anything that actually gives a current rating for them. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=====================_1969278==.ALT At 06:33 PM 12/17/2020, you wrote:

>My soldering skills are ok on bigger gauge wires. However, when trying to fix a
>computer power cord, of the three wires is thinner gauge than I've ever
>seen....looks to be no more than 10 strands of copper. My first try failed so I
>wonder if I should use something like this....

> https://www.google.com/search?q=easy+solder+wire+connectors&rlz=1C1KDEC_enUS921US921&oq=eas&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j35i39i457j0i67l4j69i65l2.5450j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#kpvalbx=_7ejbX6v6M9GF9PwPvPqG0As8

Tim,

I've used them on a buddy truck. He was trying to add in a switch and an
additional aux. power outlet, ie. cigarette lighter. Worked well. At least my buddy
hasn't been back for me to fix it in 2 yrs.

I assume that if it is designed to connect 2 18gauge wires, that it can handle the
current that an 18gauge wire can handle. You can get kits for many different sizes
of wire. They are color coded for the wire size, and therefore, I assume, it's
current carrying capacity. I don't see anything that actually gives a current rating
for them.

John

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John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net

Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229

48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)

75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III

65 Rambler Classic

Morgan: www.team.net/morgan

Bricklin: www.bricklin.org

If you can read this - Thank a teacher!

If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:

e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."

In God We Trust

Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for

oneself; freedom from control or restriction

--=====================_1969278==.ALT-- --===============1400261167831483192== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1400261167831483192==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 19 20:50:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FAC4A0927 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 20:50:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (unknown [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CE16A08EF for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 20:48:04 -0700 (MST) t=1608436083; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=N8WJXpvrBzteoQU1K8Tftw6u1XqmCd1BFzLHFwUWE4JZLQbXUxokpQGynBF5VMWk3 9rI6pAudKHjUGR0jewgXAK2YPOn6b3LS7iV8LZDoKPGWv3uokE1KfnuQ3RmL45ZZWT pHqW38Z2n/6nO8PnmlwxLRS/pOM4KS5ioiTcXq84= Received: from outbound-mail.vgs.untd.com (webmail03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.143]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABR77UMRAETDDDJ for (sender ); Sat, 19 Dec 2020 19:47:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.41.253.87] by webmail03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 03:46:23 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 03:46:23 GMT To: ejrussell@mebtel.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire studs Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3499343983876102128== ----__JWM__J4f7a884f.7cb49639S.2c399f13M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I had studded tires for a while when I lived in AK but I bought them new= , ready to go with the studs installed. If you can’t find some li= ke that for your application, chains might be an easier solution or even= some of the fabric solutions. Good luck! ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Eric Russell To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire studs Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 13:16:28 -0500 A gazillion years ago (before the invention of dirt) I wanted to put stu= dded snow tires on my daily driver MGA. (I lived in Massachusetts then.)= Tire stores were not allowed to sell studded snow tires. But they could= sell snow tires and a package of studs for the DIY'er to install. The t= ires had a series of holes molded into the tread. The package of studs -= they looked like solid rivets - came with an installation tool sort of = like a screwdriver handle. Put the stud into the end of the tool, press = the head of the stud into the holes molded into the tread and push until= they were seated. It was a lot of work but I was young and hearty. As I= recall, the studs had to be installed before the tires were driven on -= I assume that otherwise the holes might get filled with dirt (a new inv= ention) preventing the studs from being fully seated. Eric Russell Mebane, NC On 12/17/2020 12:51 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:OK, I'm looking to put = studs on my zero turn tractor for when I'm plowing snow. �Is ther= e any 'method' to putting them on? �How many per tire? �Pa= tterns? �The tires are a knobby design and work pretty good in th= e snow already, but once the snow packs a little to ice, they can't get = any bite. �So I figured some studs would be perfect. = ----__JWM__J4f7a884f.7cb49639S.2c399f13M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

I had studded tires for a while when I lived in AK but I boug= ht them new, ready to go with the studs installed. If you can&rsqu= o;t find some like that for your application, chains might be an easier = solution or even some of the fabric solutions. Good luck!

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Eric Russel= l <ejrussell@mebtel.net>
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subjec= t: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire studs
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 13:16:28 -0500

A gazillion years ago (before the invention of dirt) I wanted to put = studded snow tires on my daily driver MGA. (I lived in Massachusetts the= n.) Tire stores were not allowed to sell studded snow tires. But they co= uld sell snow tires and a package of studs for the DIY'er to install. Th= e tires had a series of holes molded into the tread. The package of stud= s - they looked like solid rivets - came with an installation tool sort = of like a screwdriver handle. Put the stud into the end of the tool, pre= ss the head of the stud into the holes molded into the tread and push un= til they were seated. It was a lot of work but I was young and hearty. A= s I recall, the studs had to be installed before the tires were driven o= n - I assume that otherwise the holes might get filled with dirt (a new = invention) preventing the studs from being fully seated.

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

On 12/17/2020 12:51 PM, eric@megageek.com= wrote:

OK, I'm looking to put studs on my zero turn tractor for= when I'm plowing snow. �Is there any 'method' to putting them on= ? �How many per tire? �Patterns? �The tires are a k= nobby design and work pretty good in the snow already, but once the snow= packs a little to ice, they can't get any bite. �So I figured so= me studs would be perfect.

----__JWM__J4f7a884f.7cb49639S.2c399f13M-- --===============3499343983876102128== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3499343983876102128==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 20 05:07:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E824A0DEF for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 05:07:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F419A036C for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 05:06:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.104]) by resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id qxNzkKjjTvakpqxTvkdAD1; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 12:06:35 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1608465995; bh=npCtaHU/k1Y+SokppuXX4aXJ0PDp52U2K3bI0joWnCk=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date: Message-Id; b=SRDCYEQNzO1Pz5gWqsG4fINwvdPIbCsDRT9NpM/87OC92KN+t6wWsgyDZ9ARSmb9e c9Rf3h1rEsTq4WYf+68zCE9Hm9R5DqqyKtPdP24jPnL6J59k7gbzYWSz5I58Sv/b6S u5NwvDwBM+NzryZTYGtso0TsWTl3QfzMTMyOhHVsvCxmxqRuoFrfns497yvDG+AB/q r2vxTLSBFwDXhsg7t0usmTr34+j8FMmoGdWei26I5OS41bybx9N6MHjfn7OPbQUPy4 IU0rHVlQp1FWgW2IeyKeX2eTpM+6T+GE+ocNAkPc1VN4B+UoYEYHArV56qd1rv6O+X UpirLt7fDzCdA== Received: from [192.168.1.15] ([73.17.214.72]) by resomta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id qxTpkgGeYJe6oqxTvk5FYq; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 12:06:35 +0000 From: Robert Rochlin Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 07:06:28 -0500 Cc: shop-talk References: <20201219.224623.26804.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire studs Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1295853836177137043== boundary="Apple-Mail=_957D2078-8B17-4B59-98B1-499DBD155BDE" --Apple-Mail=_957D2078-8B17-4B59-98B1-499DBD155BDE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 In my father=E2=80=99s repair shop we used to stud tires. I had = a Datson 240Z and studied both front and rear tires (then recommended) = It was like perpetually riding on ice the car wandered terribly. I = spent a whole afternoon removing the studs. I don=E2=80=99t believe = that studded tires are allowed in Massachusetts anymore. They did a = tune on the asphalt roads, as unlike chains, people had them on full = time during the winter, and many all year. Best, bob > On Dec 19, 2020, at 10:46 PM, Matt wrote: >=20 > I had studded tires for a while when I lived in AK but I bought them = new, ready to go with the studs installed. If you can=E2=80=99t find = some like that for your application, chains might be an easier solution = or even some of the fabric solutions. Good luck! >=20 >=20 > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Eric Russell > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire studs > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 13:16:28 -0500 >=20 >=20 > A gazillion years ago (before the invention of dirt) I wanted to put = studded snow tires on my daily driver MGA. (I lived in Massachusetts = then.) Tire stores were not allowed to sell studded snow tires. But they = could sell snow tires and a package of studs for the DIY'er to install. = The tires had a series of holes molded into the tread. The package of = studs - they looked like solid rivets - came with an installation tool = sort of like a screwdriver handle. Put the stud into the end of the = tool, press the head of the stud into the holes molded into the tread = and push until they were seated. It was a lot of work but I was young = and hearty. As I recall, the studs had to be installed before the tires = were driven on - I assume that otherwise the holes might get filled with = dirt (a new invention) preventing the studs from being fully seated. >=20 > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC >=20 > =20 wrote: > OK, I'm looking to put studs on my zero turn tractor for when I'm = plowing snow. =EF=BF=BDIs there any 'method' to putting them on? =EF=BF=BD= How many per tire? =EF=BF=BDPatterns? =EF=BF=BDThe tires are a knobby = design and work pretty good in the snow already, but once the snow packs = a little to ice, they can't get any bite. =EF=BF=BDSo I figured some = studs would be perfect. > =20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin@comcast.net >=20 --Apple-Mail=_957D2078-8B17-4B59-98B1-499DBD155BDE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 In my = father=E2=80=99s repair shop we used to stud tires. I had a Datson = 240Z and studied both front and rear tires (then recommended) It was = like perpetually riding on ice the car wandered terribly. I spent = a whole afternoon removing the studs. I don=E2=80=99t believe that = studded tires are allowed in Massachusetts anymore. They did a = tune on the asphalt roads, as unlike chains, people had them on full = time during the winter, and many all year.

= Best,

bob

On Dec = 19, 2020, at 10:46 PM, Matt <mbarre@juno.com> wrote:

I = had studded tires for a while when I lived in AK but I bought them new, = ready to go with the studs installed. If you can=E2=80=99t find = some like that for your application, chains might be an easier solution = or even some of the fabric solutions. Good luck!

---------- Original = Message ----------
From: Eric Russell <ejrussell@mebtel.net>
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: = [Shop-talk] Tire studs
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 13:16:28 = -0500

A gazillion years = ago (before the invention of dirt) I wanted to put studded snow tires on = my daily driver MGA. (I lived in Massachusetts then.) Tire stores were = not allowed to sell studded snow tires. But they could sell snow tires = and a package of studs for the DIY'er to install. The tires had a series = of holes molded into the tread. The package of studs - they looked like = solid rivets - came with an installation tool sort of like a screwdriver = handle. Put the stud into the end of the tool, press the head of the = stud into the holes molded into the tread and push until they were = seated. It was a lot of work but I was young and hearty. As I recall, = the studs had to be installed before the tires were driven on - I assume = that otherwise the holes might get filled with dirt (a new invention) = preventing the studs from being fully seated.
Eric = Russell
Mebane, NC

On 12/17/2020 12:51 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

OK, I'm looking to put studs on my zero = turn tractor for when I'm plowing snow. =EF=BF=BDIs there any 'method' = to putting them on? =EF=BF=BDHow many per tire? =EF=BF=BDPatterns? = =EF=BF=BDThe tires are a knobby design and work pretty good in the snow = already, but once the snow packs a little to ice, they can't get any = bite. =EF=BF=BDSo I figured some studs would be = perfect.

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[Shop-talk] Tire studs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, 17 Dec 2020, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, I'm looking to put studs on my zero turn tractor for when I'm plowing > snow. Is there any 'method' to putting them on? How many per tire? > Patterns? The tires are a knobby design and work pretty good in the snow > already, but once the snow packs a little to ice, they can't get any bite. > So I figured some studs would be perfect. Buy some Kold Kutters, and screw them in from the outside. By far the easiest installation option. https://koldkutter.com/ I used to use these for ice-racers, with excellent results. I still have a box of about 2500 of them, well-used and rusty now, kicking around here. Depending on how thick the tread of your tires is, you might also want to add some Tire Slime or other sealant inside. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 20 21:06:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C028A0CC5 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 21:06:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17282001.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.57]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95BA8A0CBA for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 21:06:00 -0700 (MST) s=1a1hai; t=1608523559; bh=ne3aXkxB6ogs0hHUC1eg3VohFsw3eMSG4rJ4f633fS8=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To; b=sPX9kUFDg66/0ccqTttZ84vanUErPxWjAGN6B7noLRBXbN9C8eL7aLA+WqS0YYIu/ 6nXhi3hg2Ea0OhRY2ytD3iQ0ZB+o3A4CMUMp/LgtBicKflHZNE1aQMMDI6ELVojRIK 56M5VsSWXg/C36b0iZKDCUjPKTXCb9Q1jBUqeeZLF3tb18jGE+QjSUQf7QExQ6NHfh G5A+3YZ2XonWUFPQTeuDH/3EX0idTWsnZ9VYUXXejqupNZ61J+L7BcBi+sfV9jhW5c q9rWQScrg+1w8Ezp8ZiwS50yeDpMDAM2SKyb4TP9dwEbMKcBQn9CGZwvlZ03b4wnGH GknYbP9iyEIhw== Received: from [192.168.1.96] (cpe-68-203-90-56.tx.res.rr.com [68.203.90.56]) by ms11p00im-qufo17282001.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C7596A0020D for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 04:05:59 +0000 (UTC) From: Robert Nogueirao Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 22:05:58 -0600 To: Shop Talk definitions=2020-12-21_02:2020-12-19, 2020-12-21 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=427 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2006250000 definitions=main-2012210027 Subject: [Shop-talk] Using RTV gasket maker Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net U2VlbXMgbGlrZSBldmVyeSB2aWRlbyBvZiBzb21lb25lIHdvcmtpbmcgb24gYW4gZW5naW5lIGhh cyB0aGVtIHVzaW5nIFJUViBnYXNrZXQgbWFrZXIgd2l0aCBhIHBhcGVyIGdhc2tldCwgeWV0IGJ1 cmllZCBpbiB0aGUgbWFudWZhY3R1cmVzIGxpdGVyYXR1cmUgaXQgc3BlY2lmaWNhbGx5IHNheXMg bm90IHRvIHVzZSBpdCB0byBob2xkIGEgcGFwZXIgZ2Fza2V0IGluIHBsYWNlLiAgCknigJlsbCBh ZG1pdCBJ4oCZdmUgZG9uZSBpdCBhbmQgaGF2ZW7igJl0IGhhZCBhbnkgcHJvYmxlbXMuIApXaGF0 IHNheXMgdGhlIGdyb3VwLCB3aGF0IGRvIHlvdSB1c2Ugb24gZ2Fza2V0cz8KQm9iIE5vZ3VlaXJh CgpQUzogYW5kIHllcyBJ4oCZbSBhd2FyZSBvZiB0aGUg4oCcIGdsb2Jz4oCdIHByb2JsZW0gb2Yg Zm91bGluZyB0aGUgb2lsIHB1bXAgc2NyZWVuLiBJIHVzZSBhIHRoaW4gY29hdCBwbGFjZWQgY2xv c2VyIHRvIHRoZSBvdXRzaWRlIGVkZ2UuCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwoKU2hvcC10YWxrQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0CkRvbmF0ZTogaHR0cDov L3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9kb25hdGUuaHRtbApTdWdnZXN0ZWQgYW5udWFsIGRvbmF0aW9uICAkMTIu OTYKQXJjaGl2ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9waXBlcm1haWwvc2hvcC10YWxrIGh0dHA6 Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9hcmNoaXZlCgpVbnN1YnNjcmliZS9NYW5hZ2U6IGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRv eC50ZWFtLm5ldC9tYWlsbWFuL29wdGlvbnMvc2hvcC10YWxrL21oYXJjQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0 Cgo= From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 20 21:27:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C35A0BA4 for ; 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Mon, 21 Dec 2020 04:27:03 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Bob Spidell Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 20:26:53 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Using RTV gasket maker Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net SG9vIGJveSAuLi4gcmlnaHQgdXAgdGhlcmUgd2l0aCAnd2hpY2ggdGlyZXMnIGFuZCAnd2hpY2gg b2lsLicKCkZvciBtZTsgZGVwZW5kcyBvbiB0aGUgYXBwbGljYXRpb24uIE9uIHBhcGVyIGdhc2tl dHMsIEkgbGlrZSBQZXJtYXRleCAKJ0F2aWF0aW9uIEZvcm0tQS1HYXNrZXQgIzMsJyBhcyBpdCBj dXJlcyB0byBhIGdsYXplLCB3aGljaCBpcyBlYXN5IHRvIApyZW1vdmUsIGFuZCBpdCdzIGxlc3Mg bGlrZWx5IHRvIGRyb3AgYSBnbG9iIGluIHlvdXIgb2lsIHBhc3NhZ2V3YXlzLiBJIAp1c2UgYmx1 ZSBSVFYgb24gdmFsdmUgY292ZXIgZ2Fza2V0cywgdGhvdWdoLCBidXQgSSdtIGNhcmVmdWwgdG8g dXNlIGEgCnRoaW4gYmVhZCB3aGljaCBzaG91bGRuJ3Qgc3ByZWFkIHdpZGVyIHRoYW4gdGhlIGdh c2tldCAoSSBnbHVlIHRoZSAKZ2Fza2V0IHRvIHRoZSBjb3ZlciB3aXRoIDNNIFVwaG9sc3Rlcnkg QWRoZXNpdmUtLWFrYSAneWVsbG93IHNub3QnKS4gRm9yIAptZXRhbC10by1tZXRhbCBhcHBsaWNh dGlvbnMsIEkgbGlrZSBQZXJtYXRleCBCbGFjayBTaWxpY29uZSAKU2VhbGFudC9BZGhlc2l2ZSAo bm90ZSBpZiBpdCBzYXlzICdhZGhlc2l2ZScgaXQgbWF5IGJlIGhhcmRlciB0byAKc2VwYXJhdGUg cGFydHMgaW4gdGhlIGZ1dHVyZSkuIEkgdXNlZCB0aGlzIHRvIHNlYWwgdGhlIGJyYWtlIHJpbmcg dG8gCm91dHB1dCBob3VzaW5nLS1ubyBnYXNrZXQgcmVxdWlyZWQvc2hvdWxkbid0IGJlIHVzZWQt LW9uIGFuIG92ZXJkcml2ZSAKYW5kIG5vIGxlYWtzIHlldC4gUGVybWF0ZXggJ1JpZ2h0IFN0dWZm JyBpcyBhIGdyZWF0IHNlYWxhbnQgYW5kIGEgc3Ryb25nIAphZGhlc2l2ZTsgaXQgb3Igc29tZXRo aW5nIHNpbWlsYXIgaXMgdXNlZCBpbiBwbGFjZSBvZiBnYXNrZXRzIGluIG1vZGVybiAKY2Fycy4g SXQncyBub3QgbWVhbnQgZm9yIGVhc3kgcmVtb3ZhbCAoaW4gZmFjdCwgaXQncyBhIGJpdGNoKS4K ClRpbWVseSBjb21tZW50OyBJIGp1c3QgcHVsbGVkIHRoZSByZWFyIGh1YnMgb24gbXkgQk4yIGJl Y2F1c2Ugb2YgbGVha3kgCnNlYWxzLCBhbmQgZm91bmQgc29tZSBncml0IG9uIHRoZSBiYWNrc2lk ZSBvZiB0aGUgc2VhbHMgKG5vIGlkZWEgaG93IGl0IApnb3QgdGhlcmUpLiBJIHRoaW5rIEknbGwg dXNlIHRoZSBibGFjayBzdHVmZiBiZXR3ZWVuIHRoZSBicmFrZSBiYWNraW5nIApwbGF0ZSBhbmQg dGhlIGF4bGUgYnJhY2tldC0tbWV0YWwtdG8tbWV0YWwtLXRvIHRyeSB0byBwcmV2ZW50IHRoYXQg aW4gCnRoZSBmdXR1cmUuCgpCb2IKCk9uIDEyLzIwLzIwMjAgODowNSBQTSwgUm9iZXJ0IE5vZ3Vl aXJhbyB3cm90ZToKPiBTZWVtcyBsaWtlIGV2ZXJ5IHZpZGVvIG9mIHNvbWVvbmUgd29ya2luZyBv biBhbiBlbmdpbmUgaGFzIHRoZW0gdXNpbmcgUlRWIGdhc2tldCBtYWtlciB3aXRoIGEgcGFwZXIg Z2Fza2V0LCB5ZXQgYnVyaWVkIGluIHRoZSBtYW51ZmFjdHVyZXMgbGl0ZXJhdHVyZSBpdCBzcGVj aWZpY2FsbHkgc2F5cyBub3QgdG8gdXNlIGl0IHRvIGhvbGQgYSBwYXBlciBnYXNrZXQgaW4gcGxh Y2UuCj4gSeKAmWxsIGFkbWl0IEnigJl2ZSBkb25lIGl0IGFuZCBoYXZlbuKAmXQgaGFkIGFueSBw cm9ibGVtcy4KPiBXaGF0IHNheXMgdGhlIGdyb3VwLCB3aGF0IGRvIHlvdSB1c2Ugb24gZ2Fza2V0 cz8KPiBCb2IgTm9ndWVpcmEKPgo+IFBTOiBhbmQgeWVzIEnigJltIGF3YXJlIG9mIHRoZSDigJwg Z2xvYnPigJ0gcHJvYmxlbSBvZiBmb3VsaW5nIHRoZSBvaWwgcHVtcCBzY3JlZW4uIEkgdXNlIGEg dGhpbiBjb2F0IHBsYWNlZCBjbG9zZXIgdG8gdGhlIG91dHNpZGUgZWRnZS4KPgo+Cj4KCl9fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCgpTaG9wLXRhbGtAYXV0 b3gudGVhbS5uZXQKRG9uYXRlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L2RvbmF0ZS5odG1sClN1Z2dl c3RlZCBhbm51YWwgZG9uYXRpb24gICQxMi45NgpBcmNoaXZlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0 L3BpcGVybWFpbC9zaG9wLXRhbGsgaHR0cDovL2F1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0L2FyY2hpdmUKClVuc3Vi c2NyaWJlL01hbmFnZTogaHR0cDovL2F1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0L21haWxtYW4vb3B0aW9ucy9zaG9w LXRhbGsvbWhhcmNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQKCg== From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 21 04:49:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B838A0C75 for ; 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On Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 23:07 Robert Nogueirao wrote: > Seems like every video of someone working on an engine has them using RTV > gasket maker with a paper gasket, yet buried in the manufactures literatu= re > it specifically says not to use it to hold a paper gasket in place. > I=E2=80=99ll admit I=E2=80=99ve done it and haven=E2=80=99t had any probl= ems. > What says the group, what do you use on gaskets? > Bob Nogueira > > PS: and yes I=E2=80=99m aware of the =E2=80=9C globs=E2=80=9D problem of = fouling the oil pump > screen. 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I'm a big fan of Hylomar for that application.

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Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:33:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:33:35 +0000 (UTC) From: DAVID MASSEY To: "nogera@icloud.com" , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: x64; rv:83.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/83.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Using RTV gasket maker Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0033636148144980032== boundary="----=_Part_1912262_1757074853.1608554015840" ------=_Part_1912262_1757074853.1608554015840 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not all RTV sealants are created equal.=C2=A0 Some will tolerate engine oi= l and others, not so sure.=C2=A0 Check the manufacturer's data sheet (which= are typically only available online).=C2=A0 I have not found one that is t= olerant of gasoline.=C2=A0 If the sealant is not tolerant it will swell up = and flow globules as you mention.=C2=A0 Frankly, I'm only comfortable using= RTV on coolant applications but I have used it to stick my new Silicone va= lve cover gasket to my valve cover.=C2=A0 I prefer Hylomar for paper gasket= s.=C2=A0 Perhaps those You-Tubers are getting compensation for product plac= ement.=C2=A0 (Jus' sayin') One recommendation I heard is to apply the RTV sparingly but equally, assem= ble the parts and tighten the fasteners finger-tight.=C2=A0 Wait about half= an hour and THEN torque down the fasteners.=C2=A0 This will allow the RTV = to take a set and not ooze out into the space where it should not go. =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Nogueirao To: Shop Talk Sent: Sun, Dec 20, 2020 10:05 pm Subject: [Shop-talk] Using RTV gasket maker Seems like every video of someone working on an engine has them using RTV g= asket maker with a paper gasket, yet buried in the manufactures literature = it specifically says not to use it to hold a paper gasket in place.=C2=A0= =20 I=E2=80=99ll admit I=E2=80=99ve done it and haven=E2=80=99t had any problem= s.=20 What says the group, what do you use on gaskets? Bob Nogueira PS: and yes I=E2=80=99m aware of the =E2=80=9C globs=E2=80=9D problem of fo= uling the oil pump screen. I use a thin coat placed closer to the outside e= dge. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com ------=_Part_1912262_1757074853.1608554015840 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Not all RTV sealants are created equal. Some w= ill tolerate engine oil and others, not so sure. Check the manufactur= er's data sheet (which are typically only available online). I have n= ot found one that is tolerant of gasoline. If the sealant is not tole= rant it will swell up and flow globules as you mention. Frankly, I'm = only comfortable using RTV on coolant applications but I have used it to st= ick my new Silicone valve cover gasket to my valve cover. I prefer Hy= lomar for paper gaskets. Perhaps those You-Tubers are getting compens= ation for product placement. (Jus' sayin')

One recommendation I heard is to apply the RTV sparin= gly but equally, assemble the parts and tighten the fasteners finger-tight.= Wait about half an hour and THEN torque down the fasteners. Th= is will allow the RTV to take a set and not ooze out into the space where i= t should not go.

Dave

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From: Robert Nogueirao <nogera@icloud.com>
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Dec 20, 2020 10:05 pm
Subject: [Shop-talk] Using RTV gasket maker

Seems like every video of someone working on an engine has= them using RTV gasket maker with a paper gasket, yet buried in the manufac= tures literature it specifically says not to use it to hold a paper gasket = in place.

I=E2=80=99ll admit I=E2=80=99ve done it and haven=E2=80=99= t had any problems.

What says the group, what do you use on gaskets?

Bob Nogueira

PS: and yes I=E2=80=99m aware of the =E2=80=9C globs=E2=80= =9D problem of fouling the oil pump screen. I use a thin coat placed closer= to the outside edge.

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------=_Part_1912262_1757074853.1608554015840-- --===============0033636148144980032== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0033636148144980032==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 21 07:18:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808EAA0EC1 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 07:18:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f174.google.com (unknown [209.85.167.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FCFA0C75 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 07:17:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi1-f174.google.com with SMTP id l200so11354393oig.9 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 06:17:34 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2+WtNrVehsdIMxVofAqDXsT1oCxy1auHG7c0h2GzEEY=; b=OTzBtRZzApj78kwCQmxIwce+NyySHY8mIkiYItECu+a3/bGqnrGlI7Q1xyUoYej3w4 m9JBiLS4OUAjCT7EJ15AtY1NBH7JBCaL42qPa6g9hw14kiBQVoOgWI81PKaShPQa/rVA osOD6yeVvk9H4wpT+sx42kTB1gGMTKbfHtcAWGsGmyvaRjxESVcuj0juV+yjzXYeOVtG dV2j4DlfoCZ/XC5g+OylekwOAkSPrSC2Aqax3LFIt5FKuQkUNTUhMsuai2F+Y5Eg0Mru J5NxNk6U4N2b35sq+nFqPH03n+Szi5k1B2eaw65042T02Euy37y+0G2qFi+O713BhHtf ilPA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2+WtNrVehsdIMxVofAqDXsT1oCxy1auHG7c0h2GzEEY=; b=F/4ZQd+AB8nbI+wJl9IOhrfzXi2W057Qmc9zNhhWFq+vyzaABDAyh6meMJ9VUvJMcu UtO6IgCyZqmn3mi9IMpyTbN6xd81AqANzDhZE3MH09kwGq9Rv6Fl+t6kJWIxQW1OBcSG mWsP5Bq3NcQmGYZ9h+yXQoMoSnf+XLTQc2WiGhUznrScalDO4C0DhJU2rE64hR0iGFuV S5rmoCRIjHWkwal9YeZSPFp6ABZYCD3eVDhPGue0gxFvWXCZ/8KaWbvZkYFzlFGVdTKb 76/i8P9GaB+TLs9O3FkAvLxodVNc8URFuMaODBW9nvMmMFwyk6+qng1RabSa5UVKd8iI n9OA== TmCiJYFDW/aGbjUbaglEuVplU2cSciRl7ficqu0= Mon, 21 Dec 2020 06:17:33 -0800 (PST) References: From: John Innis Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 08:17:22 -0600 To: Robert Nogueirao Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Using RTV gasket maker Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3517919758488006324== --00000000000088f64e05b6fa1e78 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a very specific procedure for paper gaskets that I was taught by my father (a mechanic and shop teacher). It has always worked well for me. First, Clean the sealing surfaces and make sure they are smooth. If you use a wire brush on aluminum surfaces you are likely going to get some scratches, clean it up with some 1500 grit sandpaper. Next, I liberally coat the gasket in oil. The theory here is that the gasket is absorbent. If you saturate it to start with it will not want to absorb any additional oil or water from the thing you are trying to seal. Next, it gets a thin (and I do mean THIN) coating of RTV. NOTE do not use HYLOMAR for this application, you want an RTV that will set. Wait a couple minutes for the RTV to start to set then assemble and torque to sepc. NOTE that in my experience 90% of gasket failure is tied to improper torque values or pattern. Finally, WAIT. Do not put the part into service until the RTV is fully cured. This step, above all else will prevent any excess RTV form clogging up anything. I have used this technique for more than 30 years and never had a gasket leak. YMMV. On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 10:07 PM Robert Nogueirao wrote= : > Seems like every video of someone working on an engine has them using RTV > gasket maker with a paper gasket, yet buried in the manufactures literatu= re > it specifically says not to use it to hold a paper gasket in place. > I=E2=80=99ll admit I=E2=80=99ve done it and haven=E2=80=99t had any probl= ems. > What says the group, what do you use on gaskets? > Bob Nogueira > > PS: and yes I=E2=80=99m aware of the =E2=80=9C globs=E2=80=9D problem of = fouling the oil pump > screen. I use a thin coat placed closer to the outside edge. > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D Never offend people with style when you =3D =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --00000000000088f64e05b6fa1e78 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a very specific procedure for paper gaskets that I = was taught by my father (a mechanic and shop teacher).=C2=A0 It has always = worked well for me.=C2=A0 First, Clean the sealing surfaces and make sure t= hey are smooth.=C2=A0 If you use a wire brush on aluminum surfaces you are = likely going to get some scratches, clean it up with some 1500 grit sandpap= er.=C2=A0 Next, I liberally coat the gasket in oil.=C2=A0 The theory here i= s that the gasket is absorbent.=C2=A0 If you saturate it to start with it w= ill not want to absorb any additional oil or water from the thing you are t= rying to seal.=C2=A0 Next, it gets a thin (and I do mean THIN) coating of R= TV.=C2=A0 NOTE do not use HYLOMAR for this application, you want an RTV tha= t will set.=C2=A0 Wait a couple minutes for the RTV to start to set then as= semble and torque to sepc.=C2=A0 NOTE that in my experience 90% of gasket f= ailure is tied to improper torque values or pattern.=C2=A0 Finally, WAIT.= =C2=A0 Do not put the part into service until the RTV is fully cured.=C2=A0= This step, above all else will prevent any excess RTV form clogging up any= thing.=C2=A0 I have used this technique for more than 30 years and never ha= d a gasket leak.=C2=A0 YMMV.

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 10:07 PM Robert Nog= ueirao <nogera@icloud.com> w= rote:

Seems like= every video of someone working on an engine has them using RTV gasket make= r with a paper gasket, yet buried in the manufactures literature it specifi= cally says not to use it to hold a paper gasket in place.=C2=A0
I=E2=80=99ll admit I=E2=80=99ve done it and haven=E2=80=99t had any problem= s.
What says the group, what do you use on gaskets?
Bob Nogueira

PS: and yes I=E2=80=99m aware of the =E2=80=9C globs=E2=80=9D problem of fo= uling the oil pump screen. I use a thin coat placed closer to the outside e= dge.

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Sat, 26 Dec 2020 11:32:09 -0800 (PST) References: From: Benjamin Zwissler Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 14:31:58 -0500 To: Darrell Walker Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blast cabinet, media Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9061656199945352802== --000000000000ca919105b76318b9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I bought a middle size/quality floor mount cabinet from Greg Smith equipment (model sbc42) about 3 years ago. It's great and I don't regret it in any way. To answer your questions: 1. I use it about how I expected and do lots of suspension and other similar components. Probably an hour a week on average. You need lots of air, I have an 18 cfm compressor and it mostly keeps up. Usually I don't need the bigger cabinet, but I also clean wheels, driveshafts and other larger parts that's wouldn't fit in the smaller cabinets. 2. For heavy cast parts I mostly use coal slag sold at Menard's around here. I've also used glass beads and walnut shells for finer material but they're about 4 times the cost. They're all reusable but are slowly consumed. After a while it's a good idea to change it out with new. A good filter/separator will pull out the dust and fine particles. Nozzles, filters and plastic window shields are the other major consumables. I've debated whether the plastic shields are better than just replacing the glass periodically. 3. I use ear plugs to fill tapped holes and tape threads as you mentioned. I would not blast any part that you're not going to completely tear down and clean thoroughly. The grit will get everywhere so I always degrease first, blast, detergent wash and repeat as required before painting. Good luck, Ben On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:07 PM Darrell Walker wrote: > > I=E2=80=99m thinking of using some Christmas money on a bench top blast c= abinet. > I realize the small size will limit what I can blast, but that is about a= ll > the space I=E2=80=99m willing to allocate, and it should handle most of w= hat I > would be looking at blasting. > > So a some questions for the list: > > 1. For those of you with blast cabinets, do you find yourself using it > more than you expected? My first project would be cleaning up some > suspension parts (mostly paint removal). I think enough projects come > along that it would be worth having one, but I would love to be surprised > to find additional uses. > > 2. What is a good all purpose, reusable media to use? I would mostly be > removing paint, and some surface rust. > > 3. The first parts I would be cleaning have some machined surfaces > (threaded holes, tapers, etc). How careful do you need to be to protect > those areas? And what if the best way to do that? One of the parts will > be a strut tube, which includes the stub axle. I=E2=80=99m thinking that= wrapping > that area in duct tape might be a good idea. > > Thanks! > -Darrell > > -- > Darrell Walker > 66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L > 81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206 > Vancouver, WA, USA > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com > > --000000000000ca919105b76318b9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I bought a middle size/quality floor mount cabinet from G= reg Smith equipment (model sbc42) about 3 years ago.=C2=A0 It's great a= nd I don't regret it in any way.=C2=A0

To answer your questions:

1.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I use it about how I expected and do lots of = suspension and other similar components. Probably an hour a week on average= .=C2=A0 You need lots of air, I have an 18 cfm compressor and it mostly kee= ps up. Usually I don't need the bigger cabinet, but I also clean wheels= , driveshafts and other larger parts that's wouldn't fit in the sma= ller cabinets.

2.=C2=A0 = For heavy cast parts I mostly use coal slag sold at Menard's around her= e.=C2=A0 I've also used glass beads and walnut shells for finer materia= l but they're about 4 times the cost.=C2=A0 They're all reusable bu= t are slowly consumed.=C2=A0 After a while it's a good idea to change i= t out with new.=C2=A0 A good filter/separator will pull out the dust and fi= ne particles.=C2=A0 Nozzles, filters and plastic window shields are the oth= er major consumables.=C2=A0 I've debated whether the plastic shields ar= e better than just replacing the glass periodically.

3. I use ear plugs to fill tapped holes and ta= pe threads as you mentioned.=C2=A0 I would not blast any part that you'= re not going to completely tear down and clean thoroughly.=C2=A0 The grit w= ill get everywhere so I always degrease first, blast, detergent wash and re= peat as required before painting.=C2=A0

Good luck, Ben

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:07 PM Darrell W= alker <darrellw360@mac.com> wrote:

I=E2=80=99m thinking of using some Christmas money on a bench top blast cab= inet.=C2=A0 I realize the small size will limit what I can blast, but that = is about all the space I=E2=80=99m willing to allocate, and it should handl= e most of what I would be looking at blasting.

So a some questions for the list:

1.=C2=A0 For those of you with blast cabinets, do you find yourself using i= t more than you expected?=C2=A0 My first project would be cleaning up some = suspension parts (mostly paint removal).=C2=A0 I think enough projects come= along that it would be worth having one, but I would love to be surprised = to find additional uses.

2.=C2=A0 What is a good all purpose, reusable media to use?=C2=A0 I would m= ostly be removing paint, and some surface rust.

3.=C2=A0 The first parts I would be cleaning have some machined surfaces (t= hreaded holes, tapers, etc).=C2=A0 How careful do you need to be to protect= those areas?=C2=A0 And what if the best way to do that?=C2=A0 One of the p= arts will be a strut tube, which includes the stub axle.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m = thinking that wrapping that area in duct tape might be a good idea.

Thanks!
-Darrell

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Darrell Walker
66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L
81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206
Vancouver, WA, USA

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--000000000000ca919105b76318b9-- --===============9061656199945352802== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============9061656199945352802==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 26 13:00:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E6FA0CEA for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:00:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-il1-f172.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E179BA0CDC for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 12:59:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-il1-f172.google.com with SMTP id q1so6308402ilt.6 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 11:59:10 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:date:message-id:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:subject :mime-version; bh=gFqBHhq18nMYtA5PC0W22kQQjqIM8AzjXMlCU2+ujPo=; b=LbgwhOmsdqIBLwmCNaVUyR/bIJzj4OigF3/AgL8H6laQcOAF/LSz/ts8RcWPxbLmyo umtHH2rXagwpRDW8gPdHExGkGKKEF4e/vyxZ4kU3jmclHowWvsHWlFqV31TFPeQXO3R8 7X4avwN4nywLe3L3xdwMdzjImVHb/gX/MvJ252YW8bCFTswNmbYdqIoMMg74UaF6KNAd RKxr0GiajTfyLoNFeBkLMeEOzbc7dW38/4U6dE373IKC83LdJqs3y3AUZBt4mdR9ZfAf tf6wZbIYk8M06pWyVPxJjZc+HG/mq59XLj9+QFlTIAZK4m3VLDo1lsKE7768CrGOb7+N nIiQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:date:message-id:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:subject:mime-version; bh=gFqBHhq18nMYtA5PC0W22kQQjqIM8AzjXMlCU2+ujPo=; b=fOIm7gAhAyobuTEy60kGD3QyJn1BoUbOGgGSrFeKcQKfNyzHmFhb4XSVYkcIY6S5jS sRDpBr+btFwRStrQNTxQG6abxxtHQXP0wMvEScHz2RsSOF4CPXDNiD8i6rpCoKjPAUtd Fr3wEKWzx7UoCQAdCw3Tun3w6SVjeKebrgbTMPCUx2OPv4AdpFDIfNKkVgr3ykCCKkJZ NmtfYgBIj881PURQurwohAk13o0GQBn7Fm64C0UPE3ev2zkJyweJd0vTW8pw/tq9G+9s hbGQCVdbNKrG7XK4HWM81gkWVB009IRwxhNpX/2ESfPF89iBrPz3KbjvXxa4tenfhnmS 1/YQ== Q6qC2F9vQ2UYW8XYGZgLe9vlnhKS7tc= Sat, 26 Dec 2020 11:59:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.0.54] (c-73-22-199-195.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [73.22.199.195]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o11sm24021224ilt.23.2020.12.26.11.59.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 26 Dec 2020 11:59:09 -0800 (PST) From: Karl Vacek To: "shop-talk@autox. team. net" Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:59:08 -0600 References: User-Agent: AquaMail/1.27.2-1730 (build: 102700009) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blast cabinet, media Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4987259504569139912== This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------------176a0a21f77230f28bf88250cd Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not a bench top cabinet, but the Harbor Freight floor standing cabinet I bought about 2007 is probably the best thing I've ever bought there. Sturdy, powder coated, big enough for most things I need. I've even put longer things in there and just put an industrial strength garbage bag over the projecting parts, taped to the cabinet. I put it on a welded steel base with large casters. I appreciate the greater height and mobility. Could use a foot pedal instead of the trigger, easy enough to do if I ever bother. The single door is mostly OK, but I'd prefer doors on both sides. A lift top door might be okay, but not my preference. Blazing does need lots of air. A real 2 HP compressor was always fine for conventional paint spraying, but with the higher pressures required it's barely enough for blasting. Works if you don't mind blasting for a few minutes and then waiting at least that long again for recovery. Certainly something like an oleo strut needs the sliding surfaces protected. Threads are usually ok, but probably not overly fine ones. I mostly use glass beads. Changing media isn't as fast as you might expect, unless you don't mind the last media contaminating the next media you use. On December 26, 2020 1:06:07 PM Darrell Walker wrote: > I’m thinking of using some Christmas money on a bench top blast cabinet. I > realize the small size will limit what I can blast, but that is about all > the space I’m willing to allocate, and it should handle most of what I > would be looking at blasting. > > So a some questions for the list: > > 1. For those of you with blast cabinets, do you find yourself using it > more than you expected? My first project would be cleaning up some > suspension parts (mostly paint removal). I think enough projects come > along that it would be worth having one, but I would love to be surprised > to find additional uses. > > 2. What is a good all purpose, reusable media to use? I would mostly be > removing paint, and some surface rust. > > 3. The first parts I would be cleaning have some machined surfaces > (threaded holes, tapers, etc). How careful do you need to be to protect > those areas? And what if the best way to do that? One of the parts will > be a strut tube, which includes the stub axle. I’m thinking that wrapping > that area in duct tape might be a good idea. > > Thanks! > -Darrell > > -- > Darrell Walker > 66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L > 81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206 > Vancouver, WA, USA > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/stearman809@gmail.com ------------176a0a21f77230f28bf88250cd Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Not a bench top cabinet, but the Harbor Freight floor sta= nding cabinet I bought about 2007 is probably the best thing I've eve= r bought there. Sturdy, powder coated, big enough for most things I n= eed. I've even put longer things in there and just put an industrial = strength garbage bag over the projecting parts, taped to the cabinet.

I put it on a welded steel ba= se with large casters. I appreciate the greater height and mobility.&= nbsp; Could use a foot pedal instead of the trigger, easy enough to do if I= ever bother. The single door is mostly OK, but I'd prefer doors on b= oth sides. A lift top door might be okay, but not my preference.

Blazing does need lots of ai= r. A real 2 HP compressor was always fine for conventional paint spra= ying, but with the higher pressures required it's barely enough for blastin= g. Works if you don't mind blasting for a few minutes and then waitin= g at least that long again for recovery.

<= div dir=3D"auto">Certainly something like an oleo strut needs the sliding s= urfaces protected. Threads are usually ok, but probably not overly fi= ne ones. I mostly use glass beads. Changing media isn't as fast= as you might expect, unless you don't mind the last media contaminating th= e next media you use.

On December 26, 2020 1:06:07 PM Darrell Walker <darrel= lw360@mac.com> wrote:

I=E2=80=99m thinking of using some Christmas money on a b= ench top blast cabinet. I realize the small size will limit what I ca= n blast, but that is about all the space I=E2=80=99m willing to allocate, a= nd it should handle most of what I would be looking at blasting.

So a some questions for the list:

1. For those of you with blast cabinets, do you fin= d yourself using it more than you expected? My first project would be= cleaning up some suspension parts (mostly paint removal). I think en= ough projects come along that it would be worth having one, but I would lov= e to be surprised to find additional uses.

2. What is a good all purpose, reusable media to us= e? I would mostly be removing paint, and some surface rust.

3. The first parts I would be cleaning have some ma= chined surfaces (threaded holes, tapers, etc). How careful do you nee= d to be to protect those areas? And what if the best way to do that? = One of the parts will be a strut tube, which includes the stub axle. = I=E2=80=99m thinking that wrapping that area in duct tape might be a = good idea.

Thanks!

-Darrell

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66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L

81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206

Vancouver, WA, USA

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Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:30:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7550DA09F5 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:29:55 -0700 (MST) References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 15:29:53 -0500 12/26/2020 03:29:55 PM, Serialize complete at 12/26/2020 03:29:55 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blast cabinet, media Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0138844452199935712== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 007094F28525864A_= To answer the question about how useful a cabinet is that as long as it is always 'ready to go' you will find lots of time it's handy. For mine, I just turn on the air to the cabinet (valve right at unit) and flip on the light. If I am going to be blasting long, I'll flip on the exhaust as well. But if I had to get it out, hook it up, move stuff around, I wouldn't use it as much. I keep AL oxide in mine. It's very aggressive, but I'm mostly cleaning really rusty stuff. Just my 2 cents worth "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 007094F28525864A_= To answer the question about how useful a cabinet is that as long as it is always 'ready to go' you will find lots of time it's handy. For mine, I just turn on the air to the cabinet (valve right at unit) and flip on the light. If I am going to be blasting long, I'll flip on the exhaust as well.

But if I had to get it out, hook it up, move stuff around, I wouldn't use it as much.

I keep AL oxide in mine. It's very aggressive, but I'm mostly cleaning really rusty stuff.

Just my 2 cents worth

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 007094F28525864A_=-- --===============0138844452199935712== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0138844452199935712==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 26 13:43:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EF3A0D72 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:43:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17291501.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA19A0D6A for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:43:15 -0700 (MST) s=1a1hai; t=1609015393; bh=m8t9hoPAPFDVyJ9Ybb7s9d4cHh0xDlnOcV2WQa+BcxA=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=1TFaQryT6pu2S/zsA9FZX3lOx04EngGh+qW+OJRjE8blFKbXBgyJnqry6vV7ZKl9+ qhR/GPhqWll6iifzvq3VWWg60SFOwghCSKuM/LCdRgKKungrtYpaiM2nV/hek+kMNe tkZpKkIrPMA/DR4hFn96/h/0lHd2x7gLhJ7iN1IRFeWdfJtNsq2jU2ddi9yiSOeBwX +Bk3kyMFtdrEFzrl7xS07jCf/YMyTKwEolVd6y+msvX5LaMhMP8h7DtaVqxqSforpD 2ZJQwGaREC0IltB3GzYBscMVbfNx3fi9kS72jaYCLtXNEZNxDyRa0ZMPfspiG+Wi2w l+up2KtsAcTUQ== Received: from [192.168.88.225] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17291501.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CF6D5100123; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 20:43:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 14:43:10 -0600 References: To: eric@megageek.com definitions=2020-12-26_09:2020-12-24, 2020-12-26 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2006250000 definitions=main-2012260142 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blast cabinet, media Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5354947068313019146== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-BC02F691-4D06-45D0-BE70-AB62A9C32F72 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I didn=E2=80=99t get the original post so I am piggybacking on this post.=20= Freestanding vs tabletop: I bought a tabletop from Eastwood. As designed it i= s pretty poor. The bottom doesn=E2=80=99t slope enough to feed abrasive. I l= eft the grate out & just work on the abrasive pile. It=E2=80=99s fine but so= metimes it=E2=80=99s hard to find small parts. Freestanding would have been b= etter but I bought it for a single care restoration so didn=E2=80=99t want t= o spend the $$$. The light is a joke also. I=E2=80=99ve been waiting for a r= eplacement window for 6 months. Keep saying it=E2=80=99s back ordered. I don= =E2=80=99t recommend this unit but it=E2=80=99ll do.=20 Media: I use fine coal slag. $10/50 lbs @ Tractor Supply. Works great.=20 Like Eric says, mine is set up really to go.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Dec 26, 2020, at 2:31 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: =EF=BB=BFTo answer the question about how useful a cabinet is that as long a= s it is always 'ready to go' you will find lots of time it's handy. For min= e, I just turn on the air to the cabinet (valve right at unit) and flip on t= he light. If I am going to be blasting long, I'll flip on the exhaust as we= ll.=20 But if I had to get it out, hook it up, move stuff around, I wouldn't use it= as much.=20 I keep AL oxide in mine. It's very aggressive, but I'm mostly cleaning real= ly rusty stuff.=20 Just my 2 cents worth=20 "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational be= ing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo E= merson=20 -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-BC02F691-4D06-45D0-BE70-AB62A9C32F72 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I didn=E2=80=99t get the original post so I= am piggybacking on this post.

Freestanding vs tabl= etop: I bought a tabletop from Eastwood. As designed it is pretty poor. The b= ottom doesn=E2=80=99t slope enough to feed abrasive. I left the grate out &a= mp; just work on the abrasive pile. It=E2=80=99s fine but sometimes it=E2=80= =99s hard to find small parts. Freestanding would have been better but I bou= ght it for a single care restoration so didn=E2=80=99t want to spend the $$$= . The light is a joke also. I=E2=80=99ve been waiting for a replacement wind= ow for 6 months. Keep saying it=E2=80=99s back ordered. I don=E2=80=99t reco= mmend this unit but it=E2=80=99ll do.

Media: I= use fine coal slag. $10/50 lbs @ Tractor Supply. Works great.