wrote: > > > Ok group. I might be able to get a rebuilt engine for my 1956 Daimler Regency '104'. However, it's in England and I need to somehow arrange for its shipping. And possibly its packing (palletizing, I guess?). > > Gulp - the prices are mind boggling. > > Does anyone have any tips or guidance? > > Know of a reputable company that will handle an engine? > > It's a 3.5 litre straight six that doesn't skimp on the cast iron. I don't know weight - I'm going to have to try to weigh one that I have that's a complete short block with head but damaged. > > If you're bored enough to look at it here's the ebay link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-Daimler-3-5ltr-6-cylinder-engine/284196165869 > > Thanks, > > Mark Watson > 1956 Daimler Regency '104' long term restoration project that hopefully this will really kick-start work ;-) > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/watsonm05@comcast.net > > ------=_Part_100611_23810677.1614633269687 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I guess I should have said I'm in Richmond VA, USA

On 03/01/2021 10:06 PM Mark Watson <watsonm05@comcast.net> wrote:

Ok group. I might be able to get a rebuilt engine for my 1956 Daimler Regency '104'. However, it's in England and I need to somehow arrange for its shipping. And possibly its packing (palletizing, I guess?).

Gulp - the prices are mind boggling.

Does anyone have any tips or guidance?

Know of a reputable company that will handle an engine?

It's a 3.5 litre straight six that doesn't skimp on the cast iron. I don't know weight - I'm going to have to try to weigh one that I have that's a complete short block with head but damaged.

If you're bored enough to look at it here's the ebay link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-Daimler-3-5ltr-6-cylinder-engine/284196165869

Thanks,

Mark Watson

1956 Daimler Regency '104' long term restoration project that hopefully this will really kick-start work ;-)

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Cheapest way t= o get the engine delivered might be to find someone sending a conex containe= r this way & adding it. I understand that the price is the same empty or= full.

Peace,

Pat

Pat Horne

We support Habitat for Humanity

On Mar 1, 2021, at 3:08 PM, Mark Watson <wat= sonm05@comcast.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF =20 =20 =20 =20

Ok group. I might be able to get a rebuilt engine for my 1956 Daiml= er Regency '104'. However, it's in England and I need to somehow arran= ge for its shipping. And possibly its packing (palletizing, I guess?).=

=20

Gulp - the prices are mind boggling.

=20

Does anyone have any tips or guidance?

=20

Know of a reputable company that will handle an engine?

=20

It's a 3.5 litre straight six that doesn't skimp on the cast iron. I= don't know weight - I'm going to have to try to weigh one that I have that'= s a complete short block with head but damaged.

=20

If you're bored enough to look at it here's the ebay link:=20 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-Daimler-3-5ltr-6-cylinder-eng= ine/284196165869

=20

Thanks,

=20

Mark Watson

=20

1956 Daimler Regency '104' long term restoration project that hopefully t= his will really kick-start work ;-)

=20

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Not sure about the UK, but here in the US you'd want a= "freight forwarder".=C2=A0 They gather up lots of small shipment= s and build larger ones to save money by creating full truckloads or contai= ners.=C2=A0 For within the US they're also called "less than truck= load" carriers.=C2=A0 It may have to be crated, just not put on a pall= et.

Hopefully the seller is cooperating.=C2=A0 They don&= #39;t typically go to homes to pick up or drop off cargo.=C2=A0 If they do = it's usually a lot of extra money and for something like this you'l= l need a forklift=C2=A0or a lift gate.=C2=A0 Lift gates are also extra mone= y and sometimes the driver has a pallet jack and sometimes they don't.<= br>

Ben

Ben Zwissle= r

bjzwis= sler@gmail.com

812-343-5533

Columbus, IN

On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 4:08 PM Mark W= atson <watsonm05@comcast.net> wrote:

= =20 =20 =20

Ok group.=C2=A0 I might be able to get a rebuilt engine for my 1956 Daim= ler Regency '104'.=C2=A0 However, it's in England and I need to= somehow arrange for its shipping.=C2=A0 And possibly its packing (palletiz= ing, I guess?).
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--000000000000f57ea005bc8022e2-- --===============3238699599201484578== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3238699599201484578==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 1 14:26:00 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F772A0E11 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2021 14:26:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from gateway31.websitewelcome.com (unknown [192.185.143.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E23AA0DFC for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2021 14:25:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from cm13.websitewelcome.com (cm13.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.6]) by gateway31.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E08115B28F for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2021 15:25:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator4190.hostgator.com ([108.167.189.15]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id Gq2kl3SYc4HRaGq2klA6ka; Mon, 01 Mar 2021 15:25:30 -0600 Received: from ip98-171-167-166.sb.sd.cox.net ([98.171.167.166]:59925 helo=Nice-iMac.local) by gator4190.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1lGq2j-001Ea1-Pq for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 01 Mar 2021 15:25:29 -0600 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <8792E541-2F9B-42BF-B470-B0F53C4F23FF@hammatt.com> <285079163.100550.1614632809497@connect.xfinity.com> From: Mike Rambour Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 13:25:28 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.16; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 Content-Language: en-US please include it with any abuse report [98.171.167.166]:59925 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shipping an engine from UK to US Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4980216680203096296== boundary="------------46810544E66F5DEDB9868C20" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------46810544E66F5DEDB9868C20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I can strongly NOT recommend CFR Rinkens ( cfrrinkens.com ). Although they will be the cheapest by throwing your engine in a container with who knows what else...throwing is the correct word and then it will sit on docks for months in random ports. But they will be cheap and it will arrive only a few months late. I can find out who the body builder building my cars body is going to use, he has shipped bodies to the U.S. before and will be shipping mine in a few weeks. He uses them because they do the palletizing and everything. > ‘Pack and Send’ has come back to me with ball park figures at today’s > rates to get the body to you. This is a door to door service with a > tailor made packing case made. > > Sea freight approx. £2,200 > Air freight approx. £4,000 This is for a coachbuilt car body tub, from cowl to rear, so a little larger than a engine but not much and being coachbuilt (wood frame with flimsy aluminum skin) I bet its actually lighter than a engine. I don't know that actual contact information but I am sure I can find out and at the rate he is cutting/shaping wood/fitting the skin, I will likely find out very soon anyway. The price above is to California from Lincoln, UK. mike On 3/1/21 1:06 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Ok group. I might be able to get a rebuilt engine for my 1956 Daimler > Regency '104'. However, it's in England and I need to somehow arrange > for its shipping. And possibly its packing (palletizing, I guess?). > Gulp - the prices are mind boggling. > Does anyone have any tips or guidance? > Know of a reputable company that will handle an engine? > It's a 3.5 litre straight six that doesn't skimp on the cast iron. I > don't know weight - I'm going to have to try to weigh one that I have > that's a complete short block with head but damaged. > If you're bored enough to look at it here's the ebay link: > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-Daimler-3-5ltr-6-cylinder-engine/284196165869 > > > Thanks, > Mark Watson > 1956 Daimler Regency '104' long term restoration project that > hopefully this will really kick-start work ;-) > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/lists@dinospider.com > -- A gun is like a parachute, if you need one but don't have it, you'll probably never need one again. --------------46810544E66F5DEDB9868C20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I can strongly NOT recommend CFR Rinkens ( cfrrinkens.com ). Although they will be the cheapest by throwing your engine in a container with who knows what else...throwing is the correct word and then it will sit on docks for months in random ports. But they will be cheap and it will arrive only a few months late.

I can find out who the body builder building my cars body is going to use, he has shipped bodies to the U.S. before and will be shipping mine in a few weeks. He uses them because they do the palletizing and everything.

‘Pack and Send’ has come back to me with ball park figures at today’s rates to get the body to you. This is a door to door service with a tailor made packing case made.

Sea freight approx. £2,200

Air freight approx. £4,000

This is for a coachbuilt car body tub, from cowl to rear, so a little larger than a engine but not much and being coachbuilt (wood frame with flimsy aluminum skin) I bet its actually lighter than a engine.

I don't know that actual contact information but I am sure I can find out and at the rate he is cutting/shaping wood/fitting the skin, I will likely find out very soon anyway. The price above is to California from Lincoln, UK.

mike

On 3/1/21 1:06 PM, Mark Watson wrote:

Ok group. I might be able to get a rebuilt engine for my 1956 Daimler Regency '104'. However, it's in England and I need to somehow arrange for its shipping. And possibly its packing (palletizing, I guess?).

Gulp - the prices are mind boggling.

Does anyone have any tips or guidance?

Know of a reputable company that will handle an engine?

It's a 3.5 litre straight six that doesn't skimp on the cast iron. I don't know weight - I'm going to have to try to weigh one that I have that's a complete short block with head but damaged.

If you're bored enough to look at it here's the ebay link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-Daimler-3-5ltr-6-cylinder-engine/284196165869

Thanks,

Mark Watson

1956 Daimler Regency '104' long term restoration project that hopefully this will really kick-start work ;-)
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[67.80.237.38]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i125sm4947760qkd.109.2021.03.01.14.21.52 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Mar 2021 14:21:53 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 17:21:52 -0500 References: <8792E541-2F9B-42BF-B470-B0F53C4F23FF@hammatt.com> <285079163.100550.1614632809497@connect.xfinity.com> To: Mark Watson Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shipping an engine from UK to US Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5542556728041515016== boundary="Apple-Mail=_F9EEAAC0-5C9D-473B-B63D-A60914783C56" --Apple-Mail=_F9EEAAC0-5C9D-473B-B63D-A60914783C56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 FWIW, I bought a transmission in England a number of years ago from a = rebuilder who ships transmissions across the pond pretty regularly. Her = shipped it FedEx, whatever their overseas equivalent of =E2=80=9Cground=E2= =80=9D is. I would have never considered them, but it was under $200 to = St. Louis. That was more than 10 years ago, but I believe he is still = using FedEx, which tells me they are still a cost-efficient way to go. > On Mar 1, 2021, at 4:06 PM, Mark Watson wrote: >=20 > Ok group. I might be able to get a rebuilt engine for my 1956 Daimler = Regency '104'. However, it's in England and I need to somehow arrange = for its shipping. And possibly its packing (palletizing, I guess?). > =20 > Gulp - the prices are mind boggling. > =20 > Does anyone have any tips or guidance? > =20 > Know of a reputable company that will handle an engine? > =20 > It's a 3.5 litre straight six that doesn't skimp on the cast iron. I = don't know weight - I'm going to have to try to weigh one that I have = that's a complete short block with head but damaged.=20 > =20 > If you're bored enough to look at it here's the ebay link: = https://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-Daimler-3-5ltr-6-cylinder-engine/2841961658= 69 = > =20 > Thanks, > =20 > Mark Watson > 1956 Daimler Regency '104' long term restoration project that = hopefully this will really kick-start work ;-) > =20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_F9EEAAC0-5C9D-473B-B63D-A60914783C56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 FWIW,= I bought a transmission in England a number of years ago from a = rebuilder who ships transmissions across the pond pretty regularly. = Her shipped it FedEx, whatever their overseas equivalent of = =E2=80=9Cground=E2=80=9D is. I would have never considered them, = but it was under $200 to St. Louis. That was more than 10 years = ago, but I believe he is still using FedEx, which tells me they are = still a cost-efficient way to go.

On Mar = 1, 2021, at 4:06 PM, Mark Watson <watsonm05@comcast.net> wrote:

=20 =20 =20

Ok group. I might be able to get a rebuilt engine for my 1956 = Daimler Regency '104'. However, it's in England and I need to = somehow arrange for its shipping. And possibly its packing = (palletizing, I guess?).
=20

=20
Gulp - the prices are mind boggling.
=20

=20
Does anyone have any tips or guidance?
=20

=20
Know of a reputable company that will handle an engine?
=20

=20
It's a 3.5 litre straight six that doesn't skimp on the cast = iron. I don't know weight - I'm going to have to try to weigh one = that I have that's a complete short block with head but damaged.
=20

=20
If you're bored enough to look at it here's the ebay link:=20 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-Daimler-3-5ltr-6-cylinder-engine= /284196165869
=20

=20
Thanks,
=20

=20
Mark Watson
=20
1956 Daimler Regency '104' long term restoration project that = hopefully this will really kick-start work ;-)
=20

=20
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Donate: = $12.96
Archive: = http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive

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= --Apple-Mail=_F9EEAAC0-5C9D-473B-B63D-A60914783C56-- --===============5542556728041515016== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============5542556728041515016==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 2 00:33:43 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E277CA0E1B for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2021 00:33:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net (unknown [62.24.135.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD22A0D94 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2021 00:31:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.23] ([92.3.192.214]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP id GzVNlLaSx2YhLGzVNlN7EQ; Tue, 02 Mar 2021 07:31:41 +0000 s=cmr1711; t=1614670302; bh=2At8voic8w70gBxOrfxvjlv1fgAr5Ym0qRMgl0x9jLg=; h=Date:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From; b=f9U/neB36JhUMYZHBa056JK4mKvcwZRExHyK7AxE5m1KbqAoNh4c9wDuCBNIbnxvz 1YnBpZVUfEgfMdc6qyk3UFVDF1siVjhfxVx3Tgw7t+yhy2lKtcCKpwvqKEf/5cPP95 CH0izuLdZ4EINwmZ5eeeEI1pXM/oZHriWPyTWZS4= a=8d74hYHkDG65mdUhrBgxZQ==:17 a=Xs_D_qRyAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=PUMQiBBJ_OF6vANvMTwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=BVFPSFTXY0OT0R59ezsA:9 a=Anwe-P5LI-KvJTkj:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Uqi0m6FzNyqHdxJgdctj:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2021 07:31:39 +0000 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android References: <8792E541-2F9B-42BF-B470-B0F53C4F23FF@hammatt.com> <285079163.100550.1614632809497@connect.xfinity.com> To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: neiljsherry@talktalk.net KlP74+GMJSkrREmBWZsp70v2rgX5M3u8NAF7e7ObbDHBaPQCao7Jok+ieNKUayt8vbutFOgjR9MJ6A== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shipping an engine from UK to US Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3274421616550722997== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------QOO21LC4TADCZBU0FVLSC3FUDDXRTP charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sent an MGB gearbox from UK to Finland last year - UPS worked out best fo= r that=2E My guess is that this engine would be around 250kg - possibly up to 300 - = so considerably more=2E Quick search of http://www=2Ep4d=2Eco=2Euk/ gives a= round =C2=A3600 for a half pallet (up to 500kg) - I have no experience of t= his company, so you would need to get it checked - and see if seller could = drop the engine on a pallet=2E=2E=2E Neil On 1 March 2021 22:21:52 GMT, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail=2Ecom> wrote: >FWIW, I bought a transmission in England a number of years ago from a >rebuilder who ships transmissions across the pond pretty regularly=2E=20 >Her shipped it FedEx, whatever their overseas equivalent of =E2=80=9Cgrou= nd=E2=80=9D >is=2E I would have never considered them, but it was under $200 to St=2E >Louis=2E That was more than 10 years ago, but I believe he is still >using FedEx, which tells me they are still a cost-efficient way to go=2E > >> On Mar 1, 2021, at 4:06 PM, Mark Watson >wrote: >>=20 >> Ok group=2E I might be able to get a rebuilt engine for my 1956 >Daimler Regency '104'=2E However, it's in England and I need to somehow >arrange for its shipping=2E And possibly its packing (palletizing, I >guess?)=2E >> =20 >> Gulp - the prices are mind boggling=2E >> =20 >> Does anyone have any tips or guidance? >> =20 >> Know of a reputable company that will handle an engine? >> =20 >> It's a 3=2E5 litre straight six that doesn't skimp on the cast iron=2E = I >don't know weight - I'm going to have to try to weigh one that I have >that's a complete short block with head but damaged=2E=20 >> =20 >> If you're bored enough to look at it here's the ebay link: >https://www=2Eebay=2Ecom/itm/1950s-Daimler-3-5ltr-6-cylinder-engine/28419= 6165869 > >> =20 >> Thanks, >> =20 >> Mark Watson >> 1956 Daimler Regency '104' long term restoration project that >hopefully this will really kick-start work ;-) >> =20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Shop-talk@autox=2Eteam=2Enet >> Donate: http://www=2Eteam=2Enet/donate=2Ehtml >> Suggested annual donation $12=2E96 >> Archive: http://www=2Eteam=2Enet/pipermail/shop-talk >http://autox=2Eteam=2Enet/archive >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox=2Eteam=2Enet/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail=2Eco= m >>=20 --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------QOO21LC4TADCZBU0FVLSC3FUDDXRTP charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sent an MGB gearbox from= UK to Finland last year - UPS worked out best for that=2E
My guess is t= hat this engine would be around 250kg - possibly up to 300 - so considerabl= y more=2E Quick search of http://ww= w=2Ep4d=2Eco=2Euk/ gives around =C2=A3600 for a half pallet (up to 500k= g) - I have no experience of this company, so you would need to get it chec= ked - and see if seller could drop the engine on a pallet=2E=2E=2E
Neil<= br>

On 1 March 2021 22:21:52 GMT, Jim Stone &= lt;1789alpine@gmail=2Ecom> wrote:

FWIW, I bought a transmission in England a number of years ago from a rebu= ilder who ships transmissions across the pond pretty regularly=2E Her= shipped it FedEx, whatever their overseas equivalent of =E2=80=9Cground=E2= =80=9D is=2E I would have never considered them, but it was under $20= 0 to St=2E Louis=2E That was more than 10 years ago, but I believe he= is still using FedEx, which tells me they are still a cost-efficient way t= o go=2E

On Mar 1, 2021, at 4:06 PM, Mark Watson <watsonm05@comcast=2Enet&= gt; wrote:

=20 =20 =20

Ok group=2E I might be able to get a rebuilt engine for my 1956 D= aimler Regency '104'=2E However, it's in England and I need to someho= w arrange for its shipping=2E And possibly its packing (palletizing, = I guess?)=2E
=20

=20
Gulp - the prices are mind boggling=2E
=20

=20
Does anyone have any tips or guidance?
=20

=20
Know of a reputable company that will handle an engine?
=20

=20
It's a 3=2E5 litre straight six that doesn't skimp on the cast iron=2E&= nbsp; I don't know weight - I'm going to have to try to weigh one that I ha= ve that's a complete short block with head but damaged=2E
=20

=20
If you're bored enough to look at it here's the ebay link:=20 https://www=2Eebay=2Ecom/itm/1950s-Daimler= -3-5ltr-6-cylinder-engine/284196165869
=20

=20
Thanks,
=20

=20
Mark Watson
=20
1956 Daimler Regency '104' long term restoration project that hopefully= this will really kick-start work ;-)
=20

=20
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Thanks for the excellent information. Mike - I'd greatly appreciate the info you offered. Thanks again - Mark > On 03/01/2021 10:25 PM Mike Rambour wrote: > =20 > =20 > I can strongly NOT recommend CFR Rinkens ( cfrrinkens.com ). Alt= hough they will be the cheapest by throwing your engine in a container with= who knows what else...throwing is the correct word and then it will sit on= docks for months in random ports. But they will be cheap and it will arri= ve only a few months late. > =20 > I can find out who the body builder building my cars body is going = to use, he has shipped bodies to the U.S. before and will be shipping mine = in a few weeks. He uses them because they do the palletizing and everythin= g. > =20 >=20 > > > =E2=80=98Pack and Send=E2=80=99 has come back to me w= ith ball park figures at today=E2=80=99s rates to get the body to you. Thi= s is a door to door service with a tailor made packing case made. > > =20 > > Sea freight approx. =C2=A32,200 > > Air freight approx. =C2=A34,000 > >=20 > > > This is for a coachbuilt car body tub, from cowl to rear, so= a little larger than a engine but not much and being coachbuilt (wood fram= e with flimsy aluminum skin) I bet its actually lighter than a engine. > =20 > I don't know that actual contact information but I am sure I can fi= nd out and at the rate he is cutting/shaping wood/fitting the skin, I will = likely find out very soon anyway. The price above is to California from Li= ncoln, UK. > =20 > mike > =20 > On 3/1/21 1:06 PM, Mark Watson wrote: >=20 > > > Ok group. I might be able to get a rebuilt engine fo= r my 1956 Daimler Regency '104'. However, it's in England and I need to so= mehow arrange for its shipping. And possibly its packing (palletizing, I g= uess?). > > =20 > > Gulp - the prices are mind boggling. > > =20 > > Does anyone have any tips or guidance? > > =20 > > Know of a reputable company that will handle an engine? > > =20 > > It's a 3.5 litre straight six that doesn't skimp on the cast ir= on. I don't know weight - I'm going to have to try to weigh one that I hav= e that's a complete short block with head but damaged.=20 > > =20 > > If you're bored enough to look at it here's the ebay link: http= s://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-Daimler-3-5ltr-6-cylinder-engine/284196165869 > > =20 > > Thanks, > > =20 > > Mark Watson > > 1956 Daimler Regency '104' long term restoration project that h= opefully this will really kick-start work ;-) > > =20 > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > >=20 > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.t= eam.net/archive > >=20 > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-= talk/lists@dinospider.com > >=20 > >=20 > > >=20 > =20 >=20 > --=20 > A gun is like a parachute, if you need one but don't have it, > you'll probably never need one again. >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.ne= t/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/w= atsonm05@comcast.net >=20 >=20 ------=_Part_116143_1311635852.1614777972952 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20

Wow - you folks= are GREAT! Thanks for the excellent information.

=20

Mike - I'd grea= tly appreciate the info you offered.

=20

Thanks again - = Mark

=20

=20
On 03/01/2021 10:25 PM Mike Rambour <lists@dinospider.com> wrote:
=20

=20

=20
I can strongly NOT recommend CFR Rinkens ( cfrrinkens.com = ). Although they will be the cheapest by throwing your engine i= n a container with who knows what else...throwing is the correct word and t= hen it will sit on docks for months in random ports. But they will be= cheap and it will arrive only a few months late.
=20

=20
I can find out who the body builder building my cars body is goi= ng to use, he has shipped bodies to the U.S. before and will be shipping mi= ne in a few weeks. He uses them because they do the palletizing and e= verything.
=20

=20
=20
=20
=E2=80=98Pack and Send=E2=80=99 has come back to me with ball park fi= gures at today=E2=80=99s rates to get the body to you. This is a door= to door service with a tailor made packing case made.
=20

=20
Sea freight approx. =C2=A32,200
=20
Air freight approx. =C2=A34,000
=20
=20
This is for a coachbuilt car body tub, from cowl to rear, so = a little larger than a engine but not much and being coachbuilt (wood frame= with flimsy aluminum skin) I bet its actually lighter than a engine.
=20

=20
I don't know that actual contact information but I am sure I can= find out and at the rate he is cutting/shaping wood/fitting the skin, I wi= ll likely find out very soon anyway. The price above is to California= from Lincoln, UK.
=20

=20
mike
=20

=20
On 3/1/21 1:06 PM, Mark Watson wrote:
=20
=20
Ok group. I might be able to get a rebuilt engine for my 1956 Da= imler Regency '104'. However, it's in England and I need to somehow a= rrange for its shipping. And possibly its packing (palletizing, I gue= ss?).
=20

=20
Gulp - the prices are mind boggling.
=20

=20
Does anyone have any tips or guidance?
=20

=20
Know of a reputable company that will handle an engine?
=20

=20
It's a 3.5 litre straight six that doesn't skimp on the cast iron.&nbs= p; I don't know weight - I'm going to have to try to weigh one that I have = that's a complete short block with head but damaged.
=20

=20
If you're bored enough to look at it here's the ebay link:=20 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-Daimler-3-5ltr-6-cylinder= -engine/284196165869
=20

=20
Thanks,
=20

=20
Mark Watson
=20
1956 Daimler Regency '104' long term restoration project that hopefull= y this will really kick-start work ;-)
=20

=20
=20
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([2600:1700:3051:3bf0:dd0b:8637:36d2:6d7b]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m189sm1928339oia.58.2021.03.03.07.34.59 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Mar 2021 07:34:59 -0800 (PST) From: David Scheidt Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 09:34:58 -0600 References: <1671295608.116144.1614777972990@connect.xfinity.com> To: Mark Watson Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shipping an engine from UK to US Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2767710699799220857== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-C4E89350-A595-4ED1-8BF5-2BA562CA83BC charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One thing that is very important when shipping an engine freight is packing i= t properly. It needs to be bolted (at the engine mounts, usually) to solidly= built frame, which is bolted to a top quality pallet, and then have a crate= built around it. The crate has to be strong enough to hold whatever the fr= eight company puts on top of it. =20 > On Mar 3, 2021, at 07:27, Mark Watson wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Wow - you folks are GREAT! Thanks for the excellent information. > =20 > Mike - I'd greatly appreciate the info you offered. > =20 > Thanks again - Mark >>> On 03/01/2021 10:25 PM Mike Rambour wrote: >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> I can strongly NOT recommend CFR Rinkens ( cfrrinkens.com ). Althou= gh they will be the cheapest by throwing your engine in a container with who= knows what else...throwing is the correct word and then it will sit on dock= s for months in random ports. But they will be cheap and it will arrive onl= y a few months late. >>> =20 >>> I can find out who the body builder building my cars body is going to u= se, he has shipped bodies to the U.S. before and will be shipping mine in a f= ew weeks. He uses them because they do the palletizing and everything. >>> =20 >>> =E2=80=98Pack and Send=E2=80=99 has come back to me with ball park figur= es at today=E2=80=99s rates to get the body to you. This is a door to door s= ervice with a tailor made packing case made. >>> =20 >>> Sea freight approx. =C2=A32,200 >>> Air freight approx. =C2=A34,000 >>=20 >> This is for a coachbuilt car body tub, from cowl to rear, so a little la= rger than a engine but not much and being coachbuilt (wood frame with flimsy= aluminum skin) I bet its actually lighter than a engine. >> =20 >> I don't know that actual contact information but I am sure I can find o= ut and at the rate he is cutting/shaping wood/fitting the skin, I will likel= y find out very soon anyway. The price above is to California from Lincoln,= UK. >> =20 >> mike >> =20 >>> On 3/1/21 1:06 PM, Mark Watson wrote: >>> Ok group. I might be able to get a rebuilt engine for my 1956 Daimler R= egency '104'. However, it's in England and I need to somehow arrange for it= s shipping. And possibly its packing (palletizing, I guess?). >>> =20 >>> Gulp - the prices are mind boggling. >>> =20 >>> Does anyone have any tips or guidance? >>> =20 >>> Know of a reputable company that will handle an engine? >>> =20 >>> It's a 3.5 litre straight six that doesn't skimp on the cast iron. I do= n't know weight - I'm going to have to try to weigh one that I have that's a= complete short block with head but damaged.=20 >>> =20 >>> If you're bored enough to look at it here's the ebay link: https://www.e= bay.com/itm/1950s-Daimler-3-5ltr-6-cylinder-engine/284196165869 >>> =20 >>> Thanks, >>> =20 >>> Mark Watson >>> 1956 Daimler Regency '104' long term restoration project that hopefully t= his will really kick-start work ;-) >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>>=20 >>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/a= rchive >>>=20 >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/list= s@dinospider.com >>>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> A gun is like a parachute, if you need one but don't have it, >> you'll probably never need one again. >> _______________________________________________=20 >>=20 >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html=20 >> Suggested annual donation $12.96=20 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/ar= chive=20 >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/watso= nm05@comcast.net=20 >>=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dmsche= idt@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-C4E89350-A595-4ED1-8BF5-2BA562CA83BC charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

One thing that is very imp= ortant when shipping an engine freight is packing it properly. It needs to b= e bolted (at the engine mounts, usually) to solidly built frame, which is bo= lted to a top quality pallet, and then have a crate built around it. T= he crate has to be strong enough to hold whatever the freight company puts o= n top of it.

On M= ar 3, 2021, at 07:27, Mark Watson <watsonm05@comcast.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF =20 =20 =20 =20
Wow - you folks a= re GREAT! Thanks for the excellent information.
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Mike - I'd great= ly appreciate the info you offered.
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Thanks again - M= ark
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On 03/01/2021 10:25 PM Mike Rambour <lists@dinospider.com> wrote:
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I can strongly NOT recommend CFR Rinkens ( cfrrinkens.com )= . Although they will be the cheapest by throwing your engine in a= container with who knows what else...throwing is the correct word and then i= t will sit on docks for months in random ports. But they will be cheap= and it will arrive only a few months late.
=20

=20
I can find out who the body builder building my cars body is goin= g to use, he has shipped bodies to the U.S. before and will be shipping mine= in a few weeks. He uses them because they do the palletizing and ever= ything.
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=E2=80=98Pack and Send=E2=80=99 has come back to me with ball park fig= ures at today=E2=80=99s rates to get the body to you. This is a door t= o door service with a tailor made packing case made.
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Sea freight approx. =C2=A32,200
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Air freight approx. =C2=A34,000
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This is for a coachbuilt car body tub, from cowl to rear, so a= little larger than a engine but not much and being coachbuilt (wood frame w= ith flimsy aluminum skin) I bet its actually lighter than a engine.
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I don't know that actual contact information but I am sure I can f= ind out and at the rate he is cutting/shaping wood/fitting the skin, I will l= ikely find out very soon anyway. The price above is to California from= Lincoln, UK.
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mike
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On 3/1/21 1:06 PM, Mark Watson wrote:
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Ok group. I might be able to get a rebuilt engine for my 1956 Dai= mler Regency '104'. However, it's in England and I need to somehow arr= ange for its shipping. And possibly its packing (palletizing, I guess?= ).
=20

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Gulp - the prices are mind boggling.
=20

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Does anyone have any tips or guidance?
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Know of a reputable company that will handle an engine?
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It's a 3.5 litre straight six that doesn't skimp on the cast iron. = ; I don't know weight - I'm going to have to try to weigh one that I have th= at's a complete short block with head but damaged.
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=20
If you're bored enough to look at it here's the ebay link:=20 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-Daimler-3-5ltr-6-cylinder-e= ngine/284196165869
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=20
Thanks,
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Mark Watson
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1956 Daimler Regency '104' long term restoration project that hopefully= this will really kick-start work ;-)
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Gallagher Transport in Boulder, CO. 720-225 9870 Ask for Yvonne Martinez Say that she was recommended by Wendy Wychoff (My friend=E2=80=99s = daughter). They will need to know if the engine has already been purchased, and = whether tax and duty has been paid. I respect my friend=E2=80=99s opinion on such things without = reservation. He said that he would send me their email address. - Bill Rabel Anacortes, WA > On Mar 3, 2021, at 7:34 AM, David Scheidt wrote: >=20 > One thing that is very important when shipping an engine freight is = packing it properly. It needs to be bolted (at the engine mounts, = usually) to solidly built frame, which is bolted to a top quality = pallet, and then have a crate built around it. The crate has to be = strong enough to hold whatever the freight company puts on top of it. =20= >=20 >> On Mar 3, 2021, at 07:27, Mark Watson wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BF >> Wow - you folks are GREAT! Thanks for the excellent information. >> =20 >> Mike - I'd greatly appreciate the info you offered. >> =20 >> Thanks again - Mark >>> On 03/01/2021 10:25 PM Mike Rambour wrote: >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> I can strongly NOT recommend CFR Rinkens ( cfrrinkens.com ). = Although they will be the cheapest by throwing your engine in a = container with who knows what else...throwing is the correct word and = then it will sit on docks for months in random ports. But they will be = cheap and it will arrive only a few months late. >>> =20 >>> I can find out who the body builder building my cars body is going = to use, he has shipped bodies to the U.S. before and will be shipping = mine in a few weeks. He uses them because they do the palletizing and = everything. >>> =20 >>>> =E2=80=98Pack and Send=E2=80=99 has come back to me with ball park = figures at today=E2=80=99s rates to get the body to you. This is a door = to door service with a tailor made packing case made. >>>> =20 >>>> Sea freight approx. =C2=A32,200 >>>> Air freight approx. =C2=A34,000 >>>=20 >>> This is for a coachbuilt car body tub, from cowl to rear, so a = little larger than a engine but not much and being coachbuilt (wood = frame with flimsy aluminum skin) I bet its actually lighter than a = engine. >>> =20 >>> I don't know that actual contact information but I am sure I can = find out and at the rate he is cutting/shaping wood/fitting the skin, I = will likely find out very soon anyway. The price above is to California = from Lincoln, UK. >>> =20 >>> mike >>> =20 >>> On 3/1/21 1:06 PM, Mark Watson wrote: >>>> Ok group. I might be able to get a rebuilt engine for my 1956 = Daimler Regency '104'. However, it's in England and I need to somehow = arrange for its shipping. And possibly its packing (palletizing, I = guess?). >>>> =20 >>>> Gulp - the prices are mind boggling. >>>> =20 >>>> Does anyone have any tips or guidance? >>>> =20 >>>> Know of a reputable company that will handle an engine? >>>> =20 >>>> It's a 3.5 litre straight six that doesn't skimp on the cast iron. = I don't know weight - I'm going to have to try to weigh one that I have = that's a complete short block with head but damaged.=20 >>>> =20 >>>> If you're bored enough to look at it here's the ebay link: = https://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-Daimler-3-5ltr-6-cylinder-engine/2841961658= 69 = >>>> =20 >>>> Thanks, >>>> =20 >>>> Mark Watson >>>> 1956 Daimler Regency '104' long term restoration project that = hopefully this will really kick-start work ;-) >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>=20 >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >>>>=20 >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/lists@dinospider.com = >>>>=20 >>> =20 >>> --=20 >>> A gun is like a parachute, if you need one but don't have it, >>> you'll probably never need one again. >>> _______________________________________________=20 >>>=20 >>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net=20 >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html=20 >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96=20 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive=20 >>>=20 >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/watsonm05@comcast.net=20 >>>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dmscheidt@gmail.com = >>=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/brabel@comcast.net = --Apple-Mail=_DAD17AD0-E575-49F9-A6E8-D507154BF96A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I = contacted a friend who has shipped cars and motorcycles back and forth = across the Atlantic.

He gave me the following = information about a shipper with a very good track record.

Gallagher Transport in = Boulder, CO.

720-225 9870

Ask = for Yvonne Martinez

Say that she was recommended by = Wendy Wychoff (My friend=E2=80=99s daughter).

They = will need to know if the engine has already been purchased, and whether = tax and duty has been paid.

<https://www.gallaghertransport.com>

I respect my friend=E2=80=99= s opinion on such things without reservation.

He = said that he would send me their email address.

- Bill Rabel

= Anacortes, WA

On Mar = 3, 2021, at 7:34 AM, David Scheidt <dmscheidt@gmail.com>= wrote:
One thing that is very important when = shipping an engine freight is packing it properly. It needs to be bolted = (at the engine mounts, usually) to solidly built frame, which is bolted = to a top quality pallet, and then have a crate built around it. = The crate has to be strong enough to hold whatever the freight = company puts on top of it.

On Mar 3, 2021, at = 07:27, Mark Watson <watsonm05@comcast.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFWow - you folks are GREAT! = Thanks for the excellent information.

Mike - I'd = greatly appreciate the info you offered.

Thanks again - Mark
On 03/01/2021 10:25 PM Mike = Rambour <lists@dinospider.com> wrote:

I can strongly NOT recommend CFR = Rinkens ( cfrrinkens.com ). Although they will be the = cheapest by throwing your engine in a container with who knows what = else...throwing is the correct word and then it will sit on docks for = months in random ports. But they will be cheap and it will arrive = only a few months late.

I can find out who the body builder = building my cars body is going to use, he has shipped bodies to the U.S. = before and will be shipping mine in a few weeks. He uses them = because they do the palletizing and everything.

=E2=80=98Pack and Send=E2=80=99 has come back to me with ball = park figures at today=E2=80=99s rates to get the body to you. This = is a door to door service with a tailor made packing case = made.

Sea freight = approx. =C2=A32,200
Air freight approx. = =C2=A34,000

This is for a = coachbuilt car body tub, from cowl to rear, so a little larger than a = engine but not much and being coachbuilt (wood frame with flimsy = aluminum skin) I bet its actually lighter than a engine.

I don't know that actual contact = information but I am sure I can find out and at the rate he is = cutting/shaping wood/fitting the skin, I will likely find out very soon = anyway. The price above is to California from Lincoln, = UK.

mike

On = 3/1/21 1:06 PM, Mark Watson wrote:
Ok = group. I might be able to get a rebuilt engine for my 1956 Daimler = Regency '104'. However, it's in England and I need to somehow = arrange for its shipping. And possibly its packing (palletizing, I = guess?).

Gulp = - the prices are mind boggling.

Does anyone have any tips or = guidance?

Know = of a reputable company that will handle an engine?

It's a 3.5 litre = straight six that doesn't skimp on the cast iron. I don't know = weight - I'm going to have to try to weigh one that I have that's a = complete short block with head but damaged.

If you're bored = enough to look at it here's the ebay link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-Daimler-3-5ltr-6-cylinder-engine= /284196165869

Thanks,

Mark = Watson
1956 = Daimler Regency '104' long term restoration project that hopefully this = will really kick-start work ;-)

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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: [Shop-talk] LED circline lamp wiring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hello all shop-talk gurus. It sure looks to me like the line and neutral wires should go to the innermost pair of pins on the circline replacement lamp (this is an old fluorescent magnifying fixture on which the switch died so I decided to replace switch and use LED -- just because.) Anyway, here is an ascii-art sketch of the tube connector block [center of tube circle is up here] ( ) \ L N / | x x | | | | x x | [s] [s] On the original, the starter switch shorted the two pins marked [s] to preheat the electrodes and the L and N pins went to the Line and Neutral (Line was switched; Neutral was permanently attached to the cord.) The [s] and [s] terminals were on the "outside" of the tube (furthest from the center) and the L and N pins were closer to the center. Have I correctly interpreted all this? Anyone know? All my web searches don't give me any definitive connection diagrams. (The new tube is made by Feit and is supposed to not use a ballast.) Thanks in advance, for anything! Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 5 21:06:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0066A0875 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2021 21:06:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st43p00im-zteg10071901.me.com (unknown [17.58.63.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938F0A055F for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2021 08:15:19 -0700 (MST) s=1a1hai; t=1614957319; bh=VTXt56VaVbEig/wEVkUwwllHuHZ/D5yxkmjhmzcKCgQ=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=IskjsKMdAMnRPSaQehVDNevxt7TFhfBLtvznf1RNWxXYFE5qtZK1TpBMKCkKIsKmb RNurG957iFDuGijIEuHMTeds2ssaUSquXcozG6JpHLxgKH2u1aN4DFFabLzEONh4ON cSWMy+YUE8vMnmbboGLFmqyjvGXKm8qz5Q9d023D7qAF983xv8iiTfmHBjj9Fmicmm KU1j8UnCEyBX0XhmPz0hGQtAENAUYX1kPBRetvg7qk7HcaAxKKc9gTlN2GwDjxVnXg 2gE2VvTy1cVipDnbnZTlGj9X4+XKDtnWB9oibP/JvdcZzepRwotYozgkfXillfjRE/ 28OyAanJSmu7w== Received: from [192.168.88.170] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by st43p00im-zteg10071901.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 11AA5D80BD9; Fri, 5 Mar 2021 15:15:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 09:15:17 -0600 References: <6b554b44-64d2-d85a-a1cc-ce84400ba956@comcast.net> To: Donald H Locker definitions=2021-03-05_10:2021-03-03, 2021-03-05 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2006250000 definitions=main-2103050078 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED circline lamp wiring Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net RG9uYWxkLAoKSWYgeW91IGhhdmVu4oCZdCByZWNlaXZlZCByZXBsaWVzIHRvIHlvdXIgcXVlc3Rp b24sIGl0IG1pZ2h0IGJlIHRpbWUgdG8gY2FsbCBGZWl0LiAKCkkgaGF2ZSBubyBleHBlcmllbmNl IHdpdGggdGhpcyBsYW1wLiAKClBlYWNlLApQYXQKClBhdCBIb3JuZSAKV2Ugc3VwcG9ydCBIYWJp dGF0IGZvciBIdW1hbml0eQoKCk9uIE1hciA0LCAyMDIxLCBhdCA2OjQyIFBNLCBEb25hbGQgSCBM b2NrZXIgPGRobG9ja2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0PiB3cm90ZToKCu+7v0hlbGxvIGFsbCBzaG9wLXRh bGsgZ3VydXMuCgpJdCBzdXJlIGxvb2tzIHRvIG1lIGxpa2UgdGhlIGxpbmUgYW5kIG5ldXRyYWwg d2lyZXMgc2hvdWxkIGdvIHRvIHRoZQppbm5lcm1vc3QgcGFpciBvZiBwaW5zIG9uIHRoZSBjaXJj bGluZSByZXBsYWNlbWVudCBsYW1wICh0aGlzIGlzIGFuIG9sZApmbHVvcmVzY2VudCBtYWduaWZ5 aW5nIGZpeHR1cmUgb24gd2hpY2ggdGhlIHN3aXRjaCBkaWVkIHNvIEkgZGVjaWRlZCB0bwpyZXBs YWNlIHN3aXRjaCBhbmQgdXNlIExFRCAtLSBqdXN0IGJlY2F1c2UuKQoKQW55d2F5LCBoZXJlIGlz IGFuIGFzY2lpLWFydCBza2V0Y2ggb2YgdGhlIHR1YmUgY29ubmVjdG9yIGJsb2NrCgpbY2VudGVy IG9mIHR1YmUgY2lyY2xlIGlzIHVwIGhlcmVdCgoKKCAgICAgICAgICAgICkKXCAgIEwgICBOICAv CiAgfCB4ICAgeCB8CiAgfCAgICAgICB8CiAgfCB4ICAgeCB8CiAgIFtzXSBbc10KCk9uIHRoZSBv cmlnaW5hbCwgdGhlIHN0YXJ0ZXIgc3dpdGNoIHNob3J0ZWQgdGhlIHR3byBwaW5zIG1hcmtlZCBb c10gdG8KcHJlaGVhdCB0aGUgZWxlY3Ryb2RlcyBhbmQgdGhlIEwgYW5kIE4gcGlucyB3ZW50IHRv IHRoZSBMaW5lIGFuZCBOZXV0cmFsCihMaW5lIHdhcyBzd2l0Y2hlZDsgTmV1dHJhbCB3YXMgcGVy bWFuZW50bHkgYXR0YWNoZWQgdG8gdGhlIGNvcmQuKQoKVGhlIFtzXSBhbmQgW3NdIHRlcm1pbmFs cyB3ZXJlIG9uIHRoZSAib3V0c2lkZSIgb2YgdGhlIHR1YmUgKGZ1cnRoZXN0CmZyb20gdGhlIGNl bnRlcikgYW5kIHRoZSBMIGFuZCBOIHBpbnMgd2VyZSBjbG9zZXIgdG8gdGhlIGNlbnRlci4KCkhh dmUgSSBjb3JyZWN0bHkgaW50ZXJwcmV0ZWQgYWxsIHRoaXM/IEFueW9uZSBrbm93PyBBbGwgbXkg d2ViIHNlYXJjaGVzCmRvbid0IGdpdmUgbWUgYW55IGRlZmluaXRpdmUgY29ubmVjdGlvbiBkaWFn cmFtcy4gKFRoZSBuZXcgdHViZSBpcyBtYWRlCmJ5IEZlaXQgYW5kIGlzIHN1cHBvc2VkIHRvIG5v dCB1c2UgYSBiYWxsYXN0LikKClRoYW5rcyBpbiBhZHZhbmNlLCBmb3IgYW55dGhpbmchCkRvbmFs ZC4KLS0gCipQbGFpbiBUZXh0KiBlbWFpbCAtLSBpdCdzIGFuIGFjY2Vzc2liaWxpdHkgaXNzdWUK KCkgbm8gcHJvcHJpZXRhcnkgYXR0YWNobWVudHM7IG5vIGh0bWwgbWFpbAovXCA8aHR0cHM6Ly93 d3cuZ2VvcmdlZGlsbG9uLmNvbS93ZWIvaHRtbF9lbWFpbF9pc19ldmlsLnNodG1sPgpfX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwoKU2hvcC10YWxrQGF1dG94 LnRlYW0ubmV0CkRvbmF0ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9kb25hdGUuaHRtbApTdWdnZXN0 ZWQgYW5udWFsIGRvbmF0aW9uICAkMTIuOTYKQXJjaGl2ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9w aXBlcm1haWwvc2hvcC10YWxrIGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9hcmNoaXZlCgpVbnN1YnNj cmliZS9NYW5hZ2U6IGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9tYWlsbWFuL29wdGlvbnMvc2hvcC10 YWxrL3BhdGludGV4YXNAaWNsb3VkLmNvbQoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KClNob3AtdGFsa0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldApEb25hdGU6IGh0dHA6 Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvZG9uYXRlLmh0bWwKU3VnZ2VzdGVkIGFubnVhbCBkb25hdGlvbiAgJDEy Ljk2CkFyY2hpdmU6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvcGlwZXJtYWlsL3Nob3AtdGFsayBodHRw Oi8vYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQvYXJjaGl2ZQoKVW5zdWJzY3JpYmUvTWFuYWdlOiBodHRwOi8vYXV0 b3gudGVhbS5uZXQvbWFpbG1hbi9vcHRpb25zL3Nob3AtdGFsay9taGFyY0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5l dAoK From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 7 11:57:00 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E570A0DEF for ; 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Sun, 07 Mar 2021 10:56:18 -0800 (PST) From: old dirtbeard Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 10:56:04 -0800 To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Grease discovery Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7589936830312633023== --00000000000052daa805bcf6df10 Hi guys, I just wanted to pass along something that has made a huge difference for my routine greasing needs, motorcycle chain lube, any kind, but this is what I have been using: https://www.chapmoto.com/maxima-chain-wax.html?sku=353-0558&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkejF_eme7wIV-CitBh2m2AmsEAQYBSABEgLF6_D_BwE or just Google search on cheap motorcycle chain lube. The ease of application (the spray tube), the ability to penetrate assembled parts, the water resistance, stickiness, rust prevention, etc., really make it handy. If you can get the tip of the spray tube in contact with the gap/opening, it will foam into the gap, penetrate/disappear into the space, and stay there. I started using it to lubricate the manhole cover seals in my driveway (they would rust) as it was a lot easier than lifting them off to grease the seal. (the manhole covers would rust tight into the ring and make it extremely hard to remove when necessary). I then realized how well it worked to lube the wheels on my lawnmower without taking the wheels off. I find that I will lube things more regularly now because it is so convenient to do so without disassembly. It works great for exterior hinges, lubing your vise, control cables, wheel bearings on the wheelbarrow, etc. Now I would not use it for high speed wheel bearings or anything like that, but for anything less intensive than a motorcycle chain and sprocket, I think you will find that it really works well and is very convenient. FWIW... best, Doug --00000000000052daa805bcf6df10 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi guys,

I just wanted to pass along somethin= g that has made a huge difference for my routine greasing needs, motorcycle= =C2=A0chain lube, any kind, but this is what I have been using:

<= a href=3D"https://www.chapmoto.com/maxima-chain-wax.html?sku=3D353-0558&= ;gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMIkejF_eme7wIV-CitBh2m2AmsEAQYBSABEgLF6_D_BwE">https://w= ww.chapmoto.com/maxima-chain-wax.html?sku=3D353-0558&gclid=3DEAIaIQobCh= MIkejF_eme7wIV-CitBh2m2AmsEAQYBSABEgLF6_D_BwE

<= div>or just Google search on cheap motorcycle=C2=A0chain lube.

The ease of application=C2=A0(the spray tube), the ability to = penetrate assembled parts, the water resistance, stickiness, rust preventio= n, etc., really make it handy.=C2=A0

If you can ge= t the tip of the spray tube in contact with the gap/opening, it will foam i= nto the gap, penetrate/disappear into the space, and stay there.

I started using it to lubricate the manhole cover seals in m= y driveway (they would rust) as it was a lot easier than lifting them off t= o grease the seal. (the manhole covers would rust tight into the ring and m= ake it extremely hard to remove when necessary).

I= then realized how well it worked to lube the wheels on my lawnmower withou= t taking the wheels off. I find that I will lube things more regularly now = because it is so convenient to do so without disassembly.

=C2=A0It works great for exterior hinges, lubing your vise, control= cables, wheel bearings on=C2=A0the wheelbarrow, etc.

<= div>Now I would not use it for high speed wheel bearings or anything like t= hat, but for anything less intensive than a motorcycle=C2=A0chain and sproc= ket, I think you will find that it really works well and is very convenient= .

FWIW...

best,

Doug

--00000000000052daa805bcf6df10-- --===============7589936830312633023== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7589936830312633023==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 8 16:08:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB85A0FE3 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2021 16:08:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387FBA0CDD for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2021 16:07:53 -0700 (MST) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 18:07:54 -0500 03/08/2021 06:07:54 PM, Serialize complete at 03/08/2021 06:07:54 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Lights bulbs that are 'connected' Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7135743388213636501== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 007F112985258692_= Hello all, this might be a stupid question, but are there light bulbs (traditional screw in form and size) that are leds and BRIGHT, but also maintain an electrical contact when off like an incandescent bulb did? I have X10 controllers and they work AWESOMELY still. I love them and I don't want to change to anything else right now. However, the switches rely on a contact across the bulb even when they are off. Are there any modern bulbs (they need not be LED) that fit this bill? Or am I over thinking this an any LED will work? Thanks in advance. Moose "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 007F112985258692_= Hello all, this might be a stupid question, but are there light bulbs (traditional screw in form and size) that are leds and BRIGHT, but also maintain an electrical contact when off like an incandescent bulb did?

I have X10 controllers and they work AWESOMELY still. I love them and I don't want to change to anything else right now.

However, the switches rely on a contact across the bulb even when they are off. Are there any modern bulbs (they need not be LED) that fit this bill?

Or am I over thinking this an any LED will work?

Thanks in advance.

Moose

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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My X10 modules worked fine with LED's but not compact = fluorescents.=C2=A0 You may find particular brands of LED's that will w= ork and some that will not.=C2=A0 Unfortunately all my x10 stuff has died o= ut over the years and I have replaced much of it with insteon.=C2=A0 I am n= ot as much a fan of the insteon products.=C2=A0 They seem to be reliable en= ough, but are difficult to interface to other home automation systems and h= ave an unacceptable failure rate.=C2=A0

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 5:08 PM = <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

Hello all, this might be a stupid question, but are there light bulbs (traditional screw in form and size) that are leds and BRIGHT, but also maintain an electrical contact when off like an incandescent bulb did?

I have X10 controllers and they wo= rk AWESOMELY still.=C2=A0 I love them and I don't want to change to anythi= ng else right now.

However, the switches rely on a co= ntact across the bulb even when they are off.=C2=A0 Are there any modern bulbs (they need not be LED) that fit this bill?

Or am I over thinking this an any = LED will work?

Thanks in advance.

Moose

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio= nal being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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User-Agent: DreamHost Webmail/1.4.1 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Lights bulbs that are 'connected' Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net T24gMjAyMS0wMy0wOSAxNTowNSwgTWFyayBNaWxsZXIgd3JvdGU6Cj4gRGlmZmVyZW50IGJ1bGJz IHdpbGwgd29yayBkaWZmZXJlbnRseSBidXQgYWxtb3N0IGFueSBkaW1tYWJsZSBMRURzCj4gc2hv dWxkIGJlIGZpbmUgdG8gdXNlLsKgIEdldCBvbmUgYW5kIHRyeSBpdC7CoCBUaGUgbm9uLWRpbW1h YmxlIG9uZXMgbWF5Cj4gYWN0IHN0cmFuZ2VseSB3aXRoIHRoZSAndHJpY2tsZScgb2YgY29ubmVj dGlvbiB5b3UgZ2V0IHdpdGggaW4gbGluZQo+IGNvbnRyb2wgbGlrZSB0aGUgeDEwLgoKWDEwIHJl bGllcyBvbiBhIHZlcnkgbG93IGN1cnJlbnQuICBNYW55IExFRHMgZG8gYXMgd2VsbC4gIE5vdCBh bHdheXMgYSAKcGVyZmVjdCBtaXguICBZZWFoLCBleHBlcmltZW50YXRpb24uCgpKb2huLgpfX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwoKU2hvcC10YWxrQGF1 dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0CkRvbmF0ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9kb25hdGUuaHRtbApTdWdn ZXN0ZWQgYW5udWFsIGRvbmF0aW9uICAkMTIuOTYKQXJjaGl2ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5l dC9waXBlcm1haWwvc2hvcC10YWxrIGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9hcmNoaXZlCgpVbnN1 YnNjcmliZS9NYW5hZ2U6IGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9tYWlsbWFuL29wdGlvbnMvc2hv cC10YWxrL21oYXJjQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0Cgo= From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 10 12:13:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C19A1123 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 12:13:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lf1-f54.google.com (unknown [209.85.167.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C8FA110A for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 12:12:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lf1-f54.google.com with SMTP id u4so35437431lfs.0 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 11:12:22 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ZGi9Dne2gC+MEe75lKepr5qM1CNhTK2ct+jpwedyX80=; b=sSwuGsvEkuWdCUj90mU/tp9rouxMY3XgxXBhsjORPhgGlk+PbI3GXDwY2ZZxvZfapl 2zbRd4ZtD89Ca/YlwO288AttQqlmyHBi0+urKCCV2ee0kW0A1df7muY+01jAzCFk5DJH zjsxVp6qahk20FhSgAp5b2/opa2FoeCz03bQIdoVT6YI44XLE9fRfK5sGTnmIJ1W7YRd dhy5RZHg/BOWzAlVVPEIqh9L7X81qkrpw3b4ueZzGw93D5bv0DBj/Ghc3j2rQuYSBpQt XbYtzpr2mjLiS9RvctabPnUc0HN5A1VVxPdWfPQjyTcxjLp08tVeIQh0isjOFIcBQL/A 80ug== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=ZGi9Dne2gC+MEe75lKepr5qM1CNhTK2ct+jpwedyX80=; b=QZxvYppuz7guhOHcjFXNYTnR9oepBEqofUB2v8pL1tb4R/5pwxgLmHeAZofk3Dyx+2 /X2dktShWrqMA7SDF6gYlCh8D1ZUabiJgUmn5agvB98tSz5B0moNDoxpRcHzxn8PmKNk EJWptlwhHdAYLw/+AoJ7hFrR2v50CGcer4v7E4drVg2D7momMO7cFWLB+wnUngbfe1Cc BQxY9qw/2QQRN//P4iKPqgyfP5srEAwjRj1OR1OxIQDKg2sSo6m0orB/QttZn8kmuaBk 0n2bAD4sPkicv9y13uNRFKJXTFYmfybfMPKS5Et2JiIQItSel+hpTSFMdGfnsUqLSdwg RM3A== uxbN0G2gb9ftuf/Rk3SwCIKoYmhuIMA6IKg6cn0uyHjk Wed, 10 Mar 2021 11:12:21 -0800 (PST) References:

From: Peter Murray Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 14:12:05 -0500 To: Shop-Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Lights bulbs that are 'connected' Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5993442207810484131== --00000000000040fd1105bd337276 The interesting result I have with dimmable LED lights is that when my Lutron Maestro dimmers are at 0, I still have a little bit of light. It makes for a not-unpleasant "nightlight" effect in several bathrooms in the house, including the Shop! I too use X10 (all bought in 1999 or so), and am planning to implement Home Assistant (as a container on my NAS), and need to start picking up some control hardware. What does this Big Brain Trust recommend? I'm looking for dusk-to-dawn sensors, controllable light switches (preferably similar in behavior to my Lutron Maestro switches), telemetry gear (for temperature/humidity, occupancy, etc). Voice control would be a super bonus, but I want all of the control to be local, so no Alexa or similar. -Peter On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:46 PM wrote: > On 2021-03-09 15:05, Mark Miller wrote: > > Different bulbs will work differently but almost any dimmable LEDs > > should be fine to use. Get one and try it. The non-dimmable ones may > > act strangely with the 'trickle' of connection you get with in line > > control like the x10. > > X10 relies on a very low current. Many LEDs do as well. Not always a > perfect mix. Yeah, experimentation. > > John. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > > --00000000000040fd1105bd337276 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The interesting result I have with dimmable LED lights is = that when my Lutron Maestro dimmers are at 0, I still have a little bit of = light. It makes for a not-unpleasant "nightlight" effect in sever= al bathrooms in the house, including the Shop!

I too use= X10 (all bought in 1999 or so), and am planning=C2=A0to implement Home Ass= istant (as a container on my NAS), and need to start picking up some contro= l hardware. What does this Big Brain Trust recommend? I'm looking for d= usk-to-dawn sensors, controllable light switches (preferably similar in beh= avior to my Lutron Maestro switches), telemetry gear (for temperature/humid= ity, occupancy, etc). Voice control would be a super bonus, but I want all = of the control to be local, so no Alexa or similar.

-Peter

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:46 PM <jem@milleredp.com> wrote:

On 2021-03-09 15:05, Mark Miller wrote:
> Different bulbs will work differently but almost any dimmable LEDs
> should be fine to use.=C2=A0 Get one and try it.=C2=A0 The non-dimmabl= e ones may
> act strangely with the 'trickle' of connection you get with in= line
> control like the x10.

X10 relies on a very low current.=C2=A0 Many LEDs do as well.=C2=A0 Not alw= ays a
perfect mix.=C2=A0 Yeah, experimentation.

John.
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After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a good headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which work a couple times then quit). After checking the Brazilian river/rainforest and a few review sites it seems they are all over the map, from $10/ea to over $100! The lumen ratings seem a bit suspicious too, with some Duracell brand Costco has on sale for a 3-pack rated at 550ea, and at least some claiming over 1,100 (for a few seconds bursts, anyway). Can anyone recommend one that actually lasts enough to find the bolt that fell down between the block and wheel well, and stays in place on your head?

TIA,
Bob
--------------F9AA3700AC3EDC690E5B1290-- --===============5746527199868438228== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============5746527199868438228==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 15 23:31:52 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116AEA0DD6 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:31:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ej1-f53.google.com (unknown [209.85.218.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0044A0D16 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:29:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ej1-f53.google.com with SMTP id jt13so70129603ejb.0 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2021 22:29:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=4n1PEWk5tcJooKsJN92mJxEDjSSLtWVCLHTZtUq7Zfo=; b=uU8i0UJZsvuySR5qhbQ8eekxT4/h8/ifs+PTamz46PeRo4nKjJUJdbBSlkztt3Dbe7 BkPo/UucB2/KpoA1N6vVl0sxiSz3h6Q6fCKVDPEu9pGGYQG18oNv1jyacrMXQByxcAnD QjG99bpOhh/pB6uTogyAeTkPqyse27i6gkNI2g4+0VLn3wITyU96nDo1rh22urgBLpCC BItSX9jEh0CBN5Co041i8PXONt6rOL7S52mkXmO16KqtxBWC76winHMWbVqLqbT5d1ss BgzIwAtBB9eTNSF+rTFcpdd1p/kLyzq+Wg6+HekXbnSvESXSZ5PrRs5W13t7Viuc3YXA aYeA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4n1PEWk5tcJooKsJN92mJxEDjSSLtWVCLHTZtUq7Zfo=; b=g/9aR1wR7xBLRU/O8FTqmPavhJpb6D0gPtsI+8kUHFKriCCAEzibNevVBzadtqDwd5 dsNMDhaDxT6TnVpI6OzYmGaxEC1pU6k8rt4C7Zej1BPOjshY22GSAdiiyJ6RbbkKlEVP p+cxS5LVGNiXvd1gLBYEJenQU15iwMsQYm9wQ9nUAggxbmBdVVP6FXyqVZGIv4sQIult 4Xwy3nXHD59p83LgqM1VcuWHzcSHFCObP0pqocwfMdvcFXbssM2BN4qVtsAp2ijsxbLL JGPnO/L90iDwpsqFmfTegikkXQOY2toq2iidAzVXLlHgHzOddVTipcNL/clZWyz15Xrk rd9Q== aeMq1y44Rtwi5CbgudBCaQPA/8uC7KhoZ3WD/Rc= jt2mr27553834ejb.312.1615872560375; Mon, 15 Mar 2021 22:29:20 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Shannah Miller Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 22:29:10 -0700 To: Bob Spidell Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED Headlamps Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3517617937415252350== --000000000000f6aba105bda0a5fe We use PETZLs and have had really good luck with them. The one I frequently use in the studio has lasted for 7 years now, in spite of being dropped multiple times and having clay smeared on it. I think that having adjustability is good, so you might consider PETZL - ACTIK CORE Headlamp. They have it at the Brazilian river store, and probably at regular sporting goods stores, as well. It has a couple of beam patterns which might be helpful, too. Shannah On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 9:30 PM Bob Spidell wrote: > Listers, > > After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probably > a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a *good* headband > flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out > enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I see > people using them on the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I > have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap > flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which work a couple times then > quit). After checking the Brazilian river/rainforest and a few review sites > it seems they are all over the map, from $10/ea to over $100! The lumen > ratings seem a bit suspicious too, with some Duracell brand Costco has on > sale for a 3-pack rated at 550ea, and at least some claiming over 1,100 > (for a few seconds bursts, anyway). Can anyone recommend one that actually > lasts enough to find the bolt that fell down between the block and wheel > well, and stays in place on your head? > > TIA, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shannahquilts@gmail.com > > --000000000000f6aba105bda0a5fe Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We use PETZLs and have had really good luck with them= .=C2=A0 The

one I frequently use in the studio has lasted for 7 y= ears now, in

spite of being dropped multiple times and having cla= y smeared

on it.

I think that having= adjustability is good, so you might consider

PETZL - ACTIK CORE Headlamp.=C2=A0 They have it at the Brazi= lian

river store,= and probably at regular sporting goods stores, as well.

It has a couple of beam patterns wh= ich might be helpful, too.

Sh= annah

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 9:30 PM Bob Spidell &= lt;bspidell@comcast.net> wro= te:

=20 =20 =20
Listers,

After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a good headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't eve= n as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which work a couple times then quit). After checking the Brazilian river/rainforest and a few review sites it seems they are all over the map, from $10/ea to over $100! The lumen ratings seem a bit suspicious too, with some Duracell brand Costco has on sale for a 3-pack rated at 550ea, and at least some claiming over 1,100 (for a few seconds bursts, anyway). Can anyone recommend one that actually lasts enough to find the bolt that fell down between the block and wheel well, and stays in place on your head?

TIA,
Bob

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SizeAsReceived:6990; Count:45 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [u+SJqn7UgehUipFBPDpy6K9lGbS3F4sM] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 45 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 8e83f0ce-2832-412a-4105-08d8e872e23f x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: MW2NAM10HT175: x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: QSrG+DBVD0sOq/tJ+UwQee6DpbsI5nqm0XvVO7JsN+ywc/8aqF7bGwe4EFQi0a1drnDxG8odb3jxpGdquD0ArD3X/HjQ1avRWfoGN93PP3zIbpB8dx9IqqBVfZdv6ryVB2exrdv/mDlyNwrubuL8Y4DTE6miKYzB6d61Ndt3V53m9129Km89x8mOowDxLHdR9cjK3vc1SC9bEgFPtyodY1LdAWzvY/zZGOuoqwJiRWixmtOafl5nIlbaDKu419CvyvFmWr8EUJhjPdyb1Bc4OP/4q7mE384TONen0JWFSh25VyDiRdJBfhiFdtvR2yu3kKvideqZoiBJNeNRjIvewwYVjzI7zq34xH6Cb67qdOd+2OtQDbAB3/Lk4JS3f9Or37yQrIDpmuENi/oMoLenSDDHNnc1ecuPQ/hTfQUzNHW9ttGNndKpjo0ZCA97fPds x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: APXqE/aGazZNqUBjHG9Qmse2q0D6wDw3LCrFs3nob5m1EoCLMiCzoEyLGOVhrbZuLYeK77l5aJD3h51BIa8LuUxdzOJsCYYcni4RwZz/x5wlAB2yfWsXHFZudPuKPw41vF1FKuFwPk9RDivLmz5gGw== x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED Headlamps Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1768608581973820226== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_DF4PR8401MB0411A6C0EB1DBA90C01C898E9A6B9DF4PR8401MB0411_" --_000_DF4PR8401MB0411A6C0EB1DBA90C01C898E9A6B9DF4PR8401MB0411_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Petzl is the trusted brand for camping/hiking when you want a reliable head= lamp. I have a couple Duracell brand ones that I somehow ended up with, tha= t I use in the garage that are fine. Some of the newer ones use rechargeabl= e batteries vs. AAA batteries. ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Shannah Mil= ler Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 1:29 AM To: Bob Spidell Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED Headlamps We use PETZLs and have had really good luck with them. The one I frequently use in the studio has lasted for 7 years now, in spite of being dropped multiple times and having clay smeared on it. I think that having adjustability is good, so you might consider PETZL - ACTIK CORE Headlamp. They have it at the Brazilian river store, and probably at regular sporting goods stores, as well. It has a couple of beam patterns which might be helpful, too. Shannah pidell@comcast.net>> wrote: Listers, After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probably = a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a good headband flashlight. I = have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out enough light for w= orking on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I see people using them= on the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I have--both powered by a = couple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freigh= t gives away (which work a couple times then quit). After checking the Braz= ilian river/rainforest and a few review sites it seems they are all over th= e map, from $10/ea to over $100! The lumen ratings seem a bit suspicious to= o, with some Duracell brand Costco has on sale for a 3-pack rated at 550ea,= and at least some claiming over 1,100 (for a few seconds bursts, anyway). = Can anyone recommend one that actually lasts enough to find the bolt that f= ell down between the block and wheel well, and stays in place on your head? TIA, Bob _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive quilts@gmail.com --_000_DF4PR8401MB0411A6C0EB1DBA90C01C898E9A6B9DF4PR8401MB0411_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Petzl is the trusted brand for camping/hiking when you want a reliable head= lamp. I have a couple Duracell brand ones that I somehow ended up with, tha= t I use in the garage that are fine. Some of the newer ones use rechargeabl= e batteries vs. AAA batteries.

From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Shannah Miller <shannahquilts= @gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 1:29 AM
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED Headlamps

We use PETZLs and have had really good luck with them. The

one I frequently use in the studio has lasted for 7 years now, in

spite of being dropped multiple times and having clay smeared

on it.

I think that having adjustability is good, so you might consider

PETZL - ACTIK CORE Headlamp.&n= bsp; They have it at the Brazilian

river store, and probably at r= egular sporting goods stores, as well.

It has a couple of beam patter= ns which might be helpful, too.

Shannah

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 9:30 PM Bob= Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:

Listers,

After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probably = a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a good headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never= seem to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the = grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to work, but= the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Fre= ight gives away (which work a couple times then quit). After checking the B= razilian river/rainforest and a few review sites it seems they are all over= the map, from $10/ea to over $100! The lumen ratings seem a bit suspicious too, with some Duracell brand Cost= co has on sale for a 3-pack rated at 550ea, and at least some claiming over= 1,100 (for a few seconds bursts, anyway). Can anyone recommend one that ac= tually lasts enough to find the bolt that fell down between the block and wheel well, and stays in place o= n your head?

TIA,
Bob

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--_000_DF4PR8401MB0411A6C0EB1DBA90C01C898E9A6B9DF4PR8401MB0411_-- --===============1768608581973820226== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1768608581973820226==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 16 09:18:44 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05091A0E52 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:18:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D03A0D69 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:16:46 -0600 (MDT) References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:16:44 -0400 03/16/2021 11:16:46 AM, Serialize complete at 03/16/2021 11:16:46 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED Headlamps Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============4999522179892862195== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0053EF1F8525869A_= Don't know how long it will last outside of the water, but I got this one... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08CRQ5HPN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 For diving. As a rescue diver, I need durable, but kinda cheap as they can get smashed and lost easily. But the first time I used it was in Belize on a night dive. The people on the boat could follow my dive from the surface it was so bright. I actually turned it off a few times as all the fish kept following me. FWIW. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 0053EF1F8525869A_= Don't know how long it will last outside of the water, but I got this one...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08CRQ5HPN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

For diving. As a rescue diver, I need durable, but kinda cheap as they can get smashed and lost easily.

But the first time I used it was in Belize on a night dive.

The people on the boat could follow my dive from the surface it was so bright. I actually turned it off a few times as all the fish kept following me.

FWIW.

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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I've had a version of this one since 2017; it's br= ight enough for me to run trails in complete darkness.=C2=A0 It has its own= rechargeable=C2=A0battery pack and is very bright (there's a higher pr= iced model that is 5000 lumens).=C2=A0=C2=A0

https://www.amazon.com/Headlamp-Headlamps-Rechargeable-Waterp= roof-Flashlight/dp/B07WDNCNTH/ref=3Dsr_1_6?crid=3DKUVLHQFINQPE&dchild= =3D1&keywords=3Dgrde+headlamp&qid=3D1615907906&sprefix=3Dgrde+%= 2Caps%2C155&sr=3D8-6

<= br>

On Tue,= Mar 16, 2021 at 12:30 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:

=20 =20 =20
Listers,

After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a good headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't eve= n as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which work a couple times then quit). After checking the Brazilian river/rainforest and a few review sites it seems they are all over the map, from $10/ea to over $100! The lumen ratings seem a bit suspicious too, with some Duracell brand Costco has on sale for a 3-pack rated at 550ea, and at least some claiming over 1,100 (for a few seconds bursts, anyway). Can anyone recommend one that actually lasts enough to find the bolt that fell down between the block and wheel well, and stays in place on your head?

TIA,
Bob

_______________________________________________

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From: Bob Spidell Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 08:33:02 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED Headlamps Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2213211763061172587== boundary="------------EE2ACCA2D5A17FE5966E7E4D" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EE2ACCA2D5A17FE5966E7E4D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks, Ian. It says 'hard hat light,' do you (have to) wear it with one? On 3/16/2021 8:22 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote: > I've had a version of this one since 2017; it's bright enough for me > to run trails in complete darkness. It has its own > rechargeable battery pack and is very bright (there's a higher priced > model that is 5000 lumens). > > https://www.amazon.com/Headlamp-Headlamps-Rechargeable-Waterproof-Flashlight/dp/B07WDNCNTH/ref=sr_1_6?crid=KUVLHQFINQPE&dchild=1&keywords=grde+headlamp&qid=1615907906&sprefix=grde+%2Caps%2C155&sr=8-6 > > > > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 12:30 AM Bob Spidell > Listers, > > After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was > probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a /good/ > headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never > seem to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or > in the grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they > seem to work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple > AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor > Freight gives away (which work a couple times then quit). After > checking the Brazilian river/rainforest and a few review sites it > seems they are all over the map, from $10/ea to over $100! The > lumen ratings seem a bit suspicious too, with some Duracell brand > Costco has on sale for a 3-pack rated at 550ea, and at least some > claiming over 1,100 (for a few seconds bursts, anyway). Can anyone > recommend one that actually lasts enough to find the bolt that > fell down between the block and wheel well, and stays in place on > your head? > > TIA, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org > > --------------EE2ACCA2D5A17FE5966E7E4D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks, Ian. It says 'hard hat light,' do you (have to) wear it with one?

On 3/16/2021 8:22 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote:

I've had a version of this one since 2017; it's bright enough for me to run trails in complete darkness. It has its own rechargeable battery pack and is very bright (there's a higher priced model that is 5000 lumens).

https://www.amazon.com/Headlamp-Headlamps-Rechargeable-Waterproof-Flashlight/dp/B07WDNCNTH/ref=sr_1_6?crid=KUVLHQFINQPE&dchild=1&keywords=grde+headlamp&qid=1615907906&sprefix=grde+%2Caps%2C155&sr=8-6

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 12:30 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:

Listers,

After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a good headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which work a couple times then quit). After checking the Brazilian river/rainforest and a few review sites it seems they are all over the map, from $10/ea to over $100! The lumen ratings seem a bit suspicious too, with some Duracell brand Costco has on sale for a 3-pack rated at 550ea, and at least some claiming over 1,100 (for a few seconds bursts, anyway). Can anyone recommend one that actually lasts enough to find the bolt that fell down between the block and wheel well, and stays in place on your head?

TIA,
Bob

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<036d7e8b-af17-de01-eb2b-eb59ec49926d@comcast.net> From: Ian McFetridge Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:38:13 -0400 To: Bob Spidell Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED Headlamps Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2705650210823508422== --00000000000017afe605bda9287e I've never worn it on a hat, just my head, but I have been told I have a hard head. :) On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 11:33 AM Bob Spidell wrote: > Thanks, Ian. It says 'hard hat light,' do you (have to) wear it with one? > > On 3/16/2021 8:22 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote: > > I've had a version of this one since 2017; it's bright enough for me to > run trails in complete darkness. It has its own rechargeable battery pack > and is very bright (there's a higher priced model that is 5000 lumens). > > > https://www.amazon.com/Headlamp-Headlamps-Rechargeable-Waterproof-Flashlight/dp/B07WDNCNTH/ref=sr_1_6?crid=KUVLHQFINQPE&dchild=1&keywords=grde+headlamp&qid=1615907906&sprefix=grde+%2Caps%2C155&sr=8-6 > > > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 12:30 AM Bob Spidell wrote: > >> Listers, >> >> After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was >> probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a *good* headband >> flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out >> enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I see >> people using them on the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I >> have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap >> flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which work a couple times then >> quit). After checking the Brazilian river/rainforest and a few review sites >> it seems they are all over the map, from $10/ea to over $100! The lumen >> ratings seem a bit suspicious too, with some Duracell brand Costco has on >> sale for a 3-pack rated at 550ea, and at least some claiming over 1,100 >> (for a few seconds bursts, anyway). Can anyone recommend one that actually >> lasts enough to find the bolt that fell down between the block and wheel >> well, and stays in place on your head? >> >> TIA, >> Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org >> >> > --00000000000017afe605bda9287e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've never worn it on a hat, just my head, but I have = been told I have a hard head.=C2=A0 :)

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 11:33 AM Bob = Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:

=20 =20 =20
Thanks, Ian. It says 'hard hat light,' do you (have to) wear it= with one?

On 3/16/2021 8:22 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote:

=20
I've had a version of this one since 2017; it= 9;s bright enough for me to run trails in complete darkness.=C2=A0 It h= as its own rechargeable=C2=A0battery pack and is very bright (there= 9;s a higher priced model that is 5000 lumens).=C2=A0=C2=A0

https://www.amazon.com= /Headlamp-Headlamps-Rechargeable-Waterproof-Flashlight/dp/B07WDNCNTH/ref=3D= sr_1_6?crid=3DKUVLHQFINQPE&dchild=3D1&keywords=3Dgrde+headlamp&= qid=3D1615907906&sprefix=3Dgrde+%2Caps%2C155&sr=3D8-6

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 12:30 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:

Listers,

After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a good headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which work a couple times then quit). After checking the Brazilian river/rainforest and a few review sites it seems they are all over the map, from $10/ea to over $100! The lumen ratings seem a bit suspicious too, with some Duracell brand Costco has on sale for a 3-pack rated at 550ea, and at least some claiming over 1,100 (for a few seconds bursts, anyway). Can anyone recommend one that actually lasts enough to find the bolt that fell down between the block and wheel well, and stays in place on your head?

TIA,
Bob

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On Mar 15, 2021, at 23:30, Bob Spidell <bs= pidell@comcast.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF =20 =20 =20 Listers,

After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a good headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which work a couple times then quit).

I have a couple c= heap ones I bought at Home Depot, from the Father=E2=80=99s Day special stuf= f at the front oy the store. They have lasted several years, but of co= urse, have never been available since.

My opi= nion about headlamps in the shop and for home improvement stuff is that abou= t 150 lumens is enough, more than that, you blind yourself with reflection a= nd glare. You also want a pretty floody b=C3=A9am spread, because it m= akes it easier t w on stuff you can=E2=80=99t quite see straight on. I also o= strongly prefer lights that split the battery from the light. They are more= comfortable, stay on better, and don=E2=80=99t stick out as far, so you don= =E2=80=99t hit them on stuff. I also prefer regular batteries, because= you can carry spares, and don=E2=80=99t need a special charger. (I use NiMh= cells, not throwaway ones).

This is a= different use case than what campers or divers or trail runners want, which= is something to watch out for.

= --Apple-Mail-9A5D5977-ED7B-483E-97A9-E7C954582FA7-- --===============2348499197320443629== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2348499197320443629==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 16 10:57:59 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F3CA0D67 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 10:57:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4682EA0D4B for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 10:57:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.114]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id MAunlomLSp8dBMD0Xl2N08; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 16:57:25 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1615913845; bh=PPYIi0ulAtskEkjBBlBNJptDz5TyANJsLoBLChpo+Qk=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=n4ggl19WDntUrZCDFkY0VEIy18Xx2WU/kqaHmNbEmMq8qjTh089GLOnuwDQVfUbOE kYOlxgzKMPgNec/4xhx1CyI5urtbvw56p5w/YChdpJdorED7V+upOwVqdNMT0dFtMp UbTS5wsJlFu7lFbaawsYHaIAAkUbvcoS5XakkUxhBi1BtgJTPOMT2mZQUObxqGYEy/ UgDxrlojTEPbnqWytozvIqD9krfY7IWcA9qgBua1R38pJ4QlFgG8iZrLfBmsJjMg8z /5o6V8fUfuhlZQdAS/TkoEad69eXzdQe7CIzE5kj+TckWKVOQw7FuUzQUPFft+Zdh6 lYnJnbrNN/g+Q== Received: from [IPv6:2601:203:581:2df0:d8e3:9728:5667:f098] ([IPv6:2601:203:581:2df0:d8e3:9728:5667:f098]) by resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id MD0Vlf89k69JnMD0WluYQo; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 16:57:25 +0000 To: David Scheidt References: <2FCCF138-4CDA-4E0B-8429-0561F92DA0C5@gmail.com> From: Bob Spidell Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:57:23 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED Headlamps Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0435639878494960258== boundary="------------B3A7CE5536B5194AF4482112" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B3A7CE5536B5194AF4482112 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That is a good point(s). A lot of the descriptions seemed slanted towards running in the dark--I don't do that, unless someone's chasing me--and doing realistic things in a shop is kind of an afterthought. I tried using what appears to be a decent-quality headset--brand unknown--but there just wasn't enough illumination when I was in the grease pit looking for a socket and extension I'd dropped into the engine bay. I had to resort to using a small (2AA) LED flashlight, which was the right amount of light but, obviously, wasn't convenient to use when I found the socket and needed two hands to retrieve it. Glare isn't a huge issue looking into an engine bay; at least, on my mostly stock cars without chrome everything. On 3/16/2021 9:19 AM, David Scheidt wrote: > > >> On Mar 15, 2021, at 23:30, Bob Spidell wrote: >> >> Listers, >> >> After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was >> probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a /good/ >> headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem >> to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the >> grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to >> work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even >> as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which >> work a couple times then quit). >> > > I have a couple cheap ones I bought at Home Depot, from the Father’s > Day special stuff at the front oy the store. They have lasted several > years, but of course, have never been available since. > > My opinion about headlamps in the shop and for home improvement stuff > is that about 150 lumens is enough, more than that, you blind yourself > with reflection and glare. You also want a pretty floody béam spread, > because it makes it easier t w on stuff you can’t quite see straight > on. I also o strongly prefer lights that split the battery from the > light. They are more comfortable, stay on better, and don’t stick out > as far, so you don’t hit them on stuff. I also prefer regular > batteries, because you can carry spares, and don’t need a special > charger. (I use NiMh cells, not throwaway ones). > > This is a different use case than what campers or divers or trail > runners want, which is something to watch out for. --------------B3A7CE5536B5194AF4482112 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That is a good point(s). A lot of the descriptions seemed slanted towards running in the dark--I don't do that, unless someone's chasing me--and doing realistic things in a shop is kind of an afterthought.

I tried using what appears to be a decent-quality headset--brand unknown--but there just wasn't enough illumination when I was in the grease pit looking for a socket and extension I'd dropped into the engine bay. I had to resort to using a small (2AA) LED flashlight, which was the right amount of light but, obviously, wasn't convenient to use when I found the socket and needed two hands to retrieve it. Glare isn't a huge issue looking into an engine bay; at least, on my mostly stock cars without chrome everything.

On 3/16/2021 9:19 AM, David Scheidt wrote:

On Mar 15, 2021, at 23:30, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:

Listers,

After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a good headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which work a couple times then quit).

I have a couple cheap ones I bought at Home Depot, from the Father’s Day special stuff at the front oy the store. They have lasted several years, but of course, have never been available since.

My opinion about headlamps in the shop and for home improvement stuff is that about 150 lumens is enough, more than that, you blind yourself with reflection and glare. You also want a pretty floody béam spread, because it makes it easier t w on stuff you can’t quite see straight on. I also o strongly prefer lights that split the battery from the light. They are more comfortable, stay on better, and don’t stick out as far, so you don’t hit them on stuff. I also prefer regular batteries, because you can carry spares, and don’t need a special charger. (I use NiMh cells, not throwaway ones).

This is a different use case than what campers or divers or trail runners want, which is something to watch out for.

--------------B3A7CE5536B5194AF4482112-- --===============0435639878494960258== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0435639878494960258==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 16 11:06:42 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C332AA0D7D for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:06:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-il1-f173.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F528A04E1 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:05:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-il1-f173.google.com with SMTP id p10so13377135ils.9 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 10:05:21 -0700 (PDT) h=content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date:message-id :references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=hQIrIpcCSg/WUFP2sIUIpLvK7eMUPuqsZ62me6Jn0oU=; b=Ekxw7osVI9SGSv+TSfM5UffvfBVqMomLZNOV8G/Up2L2kqrH0HhEODjhZQRNqqI1NO Ek1WKL1LnqrUbQSgxxvXSMt6MSHJlYk2dD5jToXJ/Lpnl8T3f6mnFOo8fc6HaRui39Jg 8umZS6d5elxpeY+k2MqkWIFqs4Li0yqCRWsfixZPK7tgYrj5R63vprTlp5Je15LWkVxL rMYcz7EpgPFQabDm8iZ7ayilzPAQIlUXeODv1RdFuo0XthRTCQlkd2VcMzf00A80Nf7Y S/H9yxwDYEUzMlYWNsabyNHTvqSevGFmQmuDisSZ/0C7K2rkCWytdVECa4dLCzsikKhC cE5w== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version :subject:date:message-id:references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=hQIrIpcCSg/WUFP2sIUIpLvK7eMUPuqsZ62me6Jn0oU=; b=nmXaOPjo8Aok2b6xOciEorLiROUh8d/CcgVMBMBXle7Yy2JByffh1/bsFQWpUEjMq3 txuFNP+QGJUxjmSoWS3HiObWDjhpOH9wnnLEHpl3mB56H21tzvsiMKZ7R63vTnlAiahX VktfgaHVEsrDi9MtnGjHT3cJYUzqAmUaiH+zotimA62AAfPFiJec3Yks2hAEfiNhzAWn Tiw+iTgxiXkc0CHsnAinMFKATNz803m2+QietHf2VSs95Vg15vAXkuHZ8lgSSSZO+PVM 5aQKJrZIeu++cnWbAzz6x6N4Kagv8K2gXqMurat6VZAh0KJ4J15fmZCkv4xiJavcNIcb M1Vg== M+iY283f9PWtcnsXZ4poO0jXIaOJwA== Tue, 16 Mar 2021 10:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2600:380:662b:8eff:f8e5:2f42:f54f:6214? ([2600:380:662b:8eff:f8e5:2f42:f54f:6214]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x2sm9287466ilv.36.2021.03.16.10.05.20 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Mar 2021 10:05:20 -0700 (PDT) From: David Scheidt Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 12:05:19 -0500 References: To: Bob Spidell Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED Headlamps Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2163242324084794757== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-1EC4406C-49CB-417A-8F68-96E352FFDCE1 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One other thing: most headsets using regular batteries are unregulated. They= will continue to put out light way past the point the batteries would be de= ad in another application. It won=E2=80=99t be much light, but it is still o= n. Try it with fresh batteries. I run into this myself from time to time, a= nd I know it happens, because it happens gradually.=20 > On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:57, Bob Spidell wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF That is a good point(s). A lot of the descriptions seemed slante= d towards running in the dark--I don't do that, unless someone's chasing me-= -and doing realistic things in a shop is kind of an afterthought. > I tried using what appears to be a decent-quality headset--brand unknown--= but there just wasn't enough illumination when I was in the grease pit looki= ng for a socket and extension I'd dropped into the engine bay. I had to reso= rt to using a small (2AA) LED flashlight, which was the right amount of ligh= t but, obviously, wasn't convenient to use when I found the socket and neede= d two hands to retrieve it. Glare isn't a huge issue looking into an engine b= ay; at least, on my mostly stock cars without chrome everything. >=20 >=20 > On 3/16/2021 9:19 AM, David Scheidt wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Mar 15, 2021, at 23:30, Bob Spidell wrote: >>>=20 >>> =EF=BB=BF Listers, >>>=20 >>> After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probab= ly a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a good headband flashlight. I= have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out enough light for w= orking on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I see people using them o= n the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I have--both powered by a cou= ple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gi= ves away (which work a couple times then quit). >>>=20 >>=20 >> I have a couple cheap ones I bought at Home Depot, from the Father=E2=80=99= s Day special stuff at the front oy the store. They have lasted several yea= rs, but of course, have never been available since.=20 >>=20 >> My opinion about headlamps in the shop and for home improvement stuff is t= hat about 150 lumens is enough, more than that, you blind yourself with refl= ection and glare. You also want a pretty floody b=C3=A9am spread, because i= t makes it easier t w on stuff you can=E2=80=99t quite see straight on. I al= so o strongly prefer lights that split the battery from the light. They are m= ore comfortable, stay on better, and don=E2=80=99t stick out as far, so you d= on=E2=80=99t hit them on stuff. I also prefer regular batteries, because yo= u can carry spares, and don=E2=80=99t need a special charger. (I use NiMh ce= lls, not throwaway ones). =20 >>=20 >> This is a different use case than what campers or divers or trail runners= want, which is something to watch out for. =20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-1EC4406C-49CB-417A-8F68-96E352FFDCE1 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

One other thing: most head= sets using regular batteries are unregulated. They will continue to put out l= ight way past the point the batteries would be dead in another application. I= t won=E2=80=99t be much light, but it is still on. Try it with fresh batteri= es. I run into this myself from time to time, and I know it happens, b= ecause it happens gradually.

On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:57, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net&g= t; wrote:

=EF=BB=BF =20 =20 =20 That is a good point(s). A lot of the descriptions seemed slanted towards running in the dark--I don't do that, unless someone's chasing me--and doing realistic things in a shop is kind of an afterthought.
I tried using what appears to be a decent-quality headset--brand unknown--but there just wasn't enough illumination when I was in the grease pit looking for a socket and extension I'd dropped into the engine bay. I had to resort to using a small (2AA) LED flashlight, which was the right amount of light but, obviously, wasn't convenient to use when I found the socket and needed two hands to retrieve it. Glare isn't a huge issue looking into an engine bay; at least, on my mostly stock cars without chrome everything.

On 3/16/2021 9:19 AM, David Scheidt wrote:

On Mar 15, 2021, at 23:30, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF Listers,

After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a goo= d headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which work a couple times then quit).

I have a couple cheap ones I bought at Home Depot, from the Father=E2=80=99s Day special stuff at the front oy the store. = They have lasted several years, but of course, have never been available since.

My opinion about headlamps in the shop and for home improvement stuff is that about 150 lumens is enough, more than that, you blind yourself with reflection and glare. You also want a pretty floody b=C3=A9am spread, because it makes it easier t w= on stuff you can=E2=80=99t quite see straight on. I also o strongly prefer lights that split the battery from the light. They are more comfortable, stay on better, and don=E2=80=99t stick out as far= , so you don=E2=80=99t hit them on stuff. I also prefer regular bat= teries, because you can carry spares, and don=E2=80=99t need a special charg= er. (I use NiMh cells, not throwaway ones).

This is a different use case than what campers or divers or trail runners want, which is something to watch out for.

=20

= --Apple-Mail-1EC4406C-49CB-417A-8F68-96E352FFDCE1-- --===============2163242324084794757== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2163242324084794757==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 16 11:36:38 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29564A0DCD for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:36:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f43.google.com (unknown [209.85.210.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816B1A0DC4 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:35:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f43.google.com with SMTP id r24so8961141otp.12 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 10:35:24 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=UBg/8vc03kEK8pFd2aRcSmzSu3cFgK5aTfkgqeU/hJM=; b=D1FNmwO798g4nDGYY992+LsSEugaY6w70kDPbcQdtbLQ5ySB4M9KGntfUda4WNYqd9 M1Am7l96ArabTb4WfoiQ9ToUhVN7Qn/5mI+lDHDzimJRDAtI2FTz0R3M2gwANAeLQixr UhCR9yk1KMn3lNgWiFWt75XZvbXlRtwXknlWSKJu/meO9Jm8pgJuoaUMZJP/LE3c7qXQ 1kTGAutr4oEHCupt6slYFt5iiLRbIIrEaDm9q9AYAY2PVdlpqrfv8mBaexKnKVlyuuGK akGuHOmAp4TD0DGZWhhCsA+/w+NP5zHxC3ozOQfVw1LK93vn+b4OrdWrscfAJPpYOIN5 V5ew== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UBg/8vc03kEK8pFd2aRcSmzSu3cFgK5aTfkgqeU/hJM=; b=TkBFG5UvP5iJJHRvVYYD3X8TZWycl8hZOVIetqZer2ZtJqHgyqJZ245Qgmw/13+Rri eB++FWb3TYBZ6RyHN5I/p9xGW7VrxsjeinwT57k6ZE/7LfMyocFl3t0Y6XRHKoHfa+Ym +YoOJJpXhGtbzOfBU27cu/Odnyw0GV1BiD/jg64ySFJRGvvaMVGtjsOUzfNKeyiAr+Xt LEeGfv1vVKn/nEmy3sEw+PTzLnih1twgsXlwm8qndg7Zo0WGoYdwoCJdwXTzHYN48QPa gdj5VfetAYq6Uf7jxHIvzMTGpu9W36wHYOLita2+8XYLUGrcUMGyrXgHl0MhFbY+gXhZ nNDw== Nxiy8DOm395slydKKpqlSaIlwOVl7eFoJludLy8= Tue, 16 Mar 2021 10:35:24 -0700 (PDT) References: <5BB80DAD-29C4-4809-BCAE-F13491883708@gmail.com> From: Eric Russell Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:35:14 -0400 To: David Scheidt Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED Headlamps Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8026991243353239894== --000000000000970f7c05bdaacaa1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, I can't help but be reminded of the Hazard Fraught 'Moron Lamp'... https://imgur.com/gallery/JcG3B On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 1:06 PM David Scheidt wrote: > One other thing: most headsets using regular batteries are unregulated. > They will continue to put out light way past the point the batteries woul= d > be dead in another application. It won=E2=80=99t be much light, but it is= still on. > Try it with fresh batteries. I run into this myself from time to time, a= nd > I know it happens, because it happens gradually. > > On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:57, Bob Spidell wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF That is a good point(s). A lot of the descriptions seemed slant= ed > towards running in the dark--I don't do that, unless someone's chasing > me--and doing realistic things in a shop is kind of an afterthought. > I tried using what appears to be a decent-quality headset--brand > unknown--but there just wasn't enough illumination when I was in the grea= se > pit looking for a socket and extension I'd dropped into the engine bay. I > had to resort to using a small (2AA) LED flashlight, which was the right > amount of light but, obviously, wasn't convenient to use when I found the > socket and needed two hands to retrieve it. Glare isn't a huge issue > looking into an engine bay; at least, on my mostly stock cars without > chrome everything. > > > On 3/16/2021 9:19 AM, David Scheidt wrote: > > > > On Mar 15, 2021, at 23:30, Bob Spidell > wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF Listers, > > After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probabl= y > a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a *good* headband > flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out > enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I s= ee > people using them on the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I > have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap > flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which work a couple times then qui= t). > > > > I have a couple cheap ones I bought at Home Depot, from the Father=E2=80= =99s Day > special stuff at the front oy the store. They have lasted several years, > but of course, have never been available since. > > My opinion about headlamps in the shop and for home improvement stuff is > that about 150 lumens is enough, more than that, you blind yourself with > reflection and glare. You also want a pretty floody b=C3=A9am spread, be= cause > it makes it easier t w on stuff you can=E2=80=99t quite see straight on. = I also o > strongly prefer lights that split the battery from the light. They are mo= re > comfortable, stay on better, and don=E2=80=99t stick out as far, so you d= on=E2=80=99t hit > them on stuff. I also prefer regular batteries, because you can carry > spares, and don=E2=80=99t need a special charger. (I use NiMh cells, not = throwaway > ones). > > This is a different use case than what campers or divers or trail runners > want, which is something to watch out for. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com > > --=20 Eric Russell Mebane, NC --000000000000970f7c05bdaacaa1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry, I can't help but be reminded of the Hazard Frau= ght 'Moron Lamp'...=C2=A0

https://imgur.com/gallery/JcG3B=C2=A0

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 1:06 PM David Scheidt <dmscheidt@gmail.com> wrote:

One other thing: most headsets using regular batteries are unregulate= d. They will continue to put out light way past the point the batteries wou= ld be dead in another application. It won=E2=80=99t be much light, but it i= s still on. Try it with fresh batteries.=C2=A0 I run into this myself from = time to time, and I know it happens, because it happens gradually.=C2=A0

On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:57= , Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF =20 =20 =20 =20 That is a good point(s). A lot of the descriptions seemed slanted towards running in the dark--I don't do that, unless someone's chasing me--and doing realistic things in a shop is kind of an afterthought.
I tried using what appears to be a decent-quality headset--brand unknown--but there just wasn't enough illumination when I was in th= e grease pit looking for a socket and extension I'd dropped into the engine bay. I had to resort to using a small (2AA) LED flashlight, which was the right amount of light but, obviously, wasn't convenient to use when I found the socket and needed two hands to retrieve it. Glare isn't a huge issue looking into an engine bay; a= t least, on my mostly stock cars without chrome everything.

On 3/16/2021 9:19 AM, David Scheidt wrote:

=20

On Mar 15, 2021, at 23:30, Bob Spidell <bsp= idell@comcast.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF =20 Listers,

After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a go= od headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which work a couple times then quit).

I have a couple cheap ones I bought at Home Depot, from the Father=E2=80=99s Day special stuff at the front oy the store.=C2=A0= They have lasted several years, but of course, have never been available since.=C2=A0

My opinion about headlamps in the shop and for home improvement stuff is that about 150 lumens is enough, more than that, you blind yourself with reflection and glare.=C2=A0 You also want a pretty floody b=C3=A9am spread, because it makes it easier t= w on stuff you can=E2=80=99t quite see straight on. I also o strongly prefer lights that split the battery from the light. They are more comfortable, stay on better, and don=E2=80=99t stick out as fa= r, so you don=E2=80=99t hit them on stuff.=C2=A0 I also prefer regular ba= tteries, because you can carry spares, and don=E2=80=99t need a special char= ger. (I use NiMh cells, not throwaway ones). =C2=A0=C2=A0

This is a different use case than what campers or divers or trail runners want, which is something to watch out for. =C2=A0

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--000000000000970f7c05bdaacaa1-- --===============8026991243353239894== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8026991243353239894==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 16 23:39:07 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E3DA0CE9 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 23:39:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (unknown [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EB1A0E77 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 23:37:14 -0600 (MDT) s=dk12062016; t=1615959435; bh=DhDcmuFc6NMDYm5ErMJZlp7BL9IWmx9ZSjkp sN+rkNk=; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language: X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; b=j0HnFeHvzI4ozejIadtR8nhcPpgtP9gSN pqCpYnufGLb391Yqrgx+f5NMHP0ErHT15KTOBIUnXAAdcETB1kp4Gao/x1RQjnPqfCe eUmiOsWj6FJ0qyFGMXkjeWugbl7c8gNLAd9LFWU0cPeUuVJsTKZcZ3JETTqg2hqZL5f zSfTExSULQJnXPNNgMfJ9cDJnBEU3X9YvFfw7J8kXLdHaQ9hBPgNZxjkok+BMZV4Qv/ UJgujIKssdE5OAgg9dc7Run7ytg8fb2TCdsaJEY3ook9EOJOHalxUIVrA6iQHbIlw7X azJQH+f9/BvIxZZHK/RjwJboVgvWwVO4k6CzFfNhg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk12062016; d=earthlink.net; b=eeg8ehKwbtlg7JZvSmy03vK6nuURqLm6b0qCxOLQJ7KaZoD0s1fvtqJSo5jCTsqY14m8ODDVeTDf5J/c1lHgOUvhEWfDkMj9gxR5PUuq9SuL1l47DDSiJv2+DIGMHoU/AaN7r36fsR/rBef4O4IqS/Y049+PfX6X4f4+Wdt78TFmmtNrQa1K8akDGeG0snGqnJp06W/Y4LQifvajRZBti0OrQKTQZifMZLxaaymmYIHt8fz72/ZZQ2cw1zt3Dc7GggRboxjuzDi1btK0u4dTk7HjMi2CK47rDy7q0wwk7XzClMkDPMUHHKrmSI2d6Cuu0Xncz468wf9h9pJiIpXlUQ==; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.9.152.26] (helo=[192.168.1.241]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4) (envelope-from ) id 1lMOrq-0000kY-Cq; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 01:37:14 -0400 To: Bob Spidell , Shop Talk References: From: Brian Kemp Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 22:37:12 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED Headlamps Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6625591423901953112== boundary="------------BA896469F88444601077A0B1" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BA896469F88444601077A0B1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I like the LED headlamps and have two, but don't find current listings for either. One made by Defiant was a special buy of the day at HomeDepot.com for $14 several years ago. It has a regular setting and a bright setting if you press and hold the button. IN addition to the strap around your head, it has a strap over the top of your head. I find this helpful when sweating as the light doesn't shift. My second light is from Coast. The white LEDs have three settings. It also has red LEDs for night vision. It is smaller and lighter than the Defiant. It is also tough to remember which button is the white light and which is the red. Search "Coast headlamp" at the orange box. Mine is similar to this one: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Coast-FL65-400-Lumen-Dual-Color-LED-Headlamp-FL65/301698008 Both seem fine for under the house or up in the attic, though I have no clue as to their actual lumen rating. I saw the three pack at Costco. If I didn't have two already, I would have been tempted, though I've also been disappointed as I don't think the Costco tool/shop buyers are actually tool people and quality can be lacking at times. With Costco's return policy, you can always try their product and bring it back if you don't like it. Give the 4.7/5 star rating with 468 reviews, it is may be a decent option. https://www.costco.com/duracell-550-lumen-3-pack-headlamp.product.100681259.html Brian On 3/15/2021 9:29 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: > Listers, > > After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was > probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a /good/ > headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem > to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the > grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to > work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even > as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which > work a couple times then quit). After checking the Brazilian > river/rainforest and a few review sites it seems they are all over the > map, from $10/ea to over $100! The lumen ratings seem a bit suspicious > too, with some Duracell brand Costco has on sale for a 3-pack rated at > 550ea, and at least some claiming over 1,100 (for a few seconds > bursts, anyway). Can anyone recommend one that actually lasts enough > to find the bolt that fell down between the block and wheel well, and > stays in place on your head? > > TIA, > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > --------------BA896469F88444601077A0B1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I like the LED headlamps and have two, but don't find current listings for either. One made by Defiant was a special buy of the day at HomeDepot.com for $14 several years ago. It has a regular setting and a bright setting if you press and hold the button. IN addition to the strap around your head, it has a strap over the top of your head. I find this helpful when sweating as the light doesn't shift.

My second light is from Coast. The white LEDs have three settings. It also has red LEDs for night vision. It is smaller and lighter than the Defiant. It is also tough to remember which button is the white light and which is the red. Search "Coast headlamp" at the orange box. Mine is similar to this one:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Coast-FL65-400-Lumen-Dual-Color-LED-Headlamp-FL65/301698008

Both seem fine for under the house or up in the attic, though I have no clue as to their actual lumen rating.

I saw the three pack at Costco. If I didn't have two already, I would have been tempted, though I've also been disappointed as I don't think the Costco tool/shop buyers are actually tool people and quality can be lacking at times. With Costco's return policy, you can always try their product and bring it back if you don't like it. Give the 4.7/5 star rating with 468 reviews, it is may be a decent option.

https://www.costco.com/duracell-550-lumen-3-pack-headlamp.product.100681259.html

Brian

On 3/15/2021 9:29 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:

Listers,

After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a good headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which work a couple times then quit). After checking the Brazilian river/rainforest and a few review sites it seems they are all over the map, from $10/ea to over $100! The lumen ratings seem a bit suspicious too, with some Duracell brand Costco has on sale for a 3-pack rated at 550ea, and at least some claiming over 1,100 (for a few seconds bursts, anyway). Can anyone recommend one that actually lasts enough to find the bolt that fell down between the block and wheel well, and stays in place on your head?

TIA,
Bob
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My current setup is Coast. I've had the one Brian posted about - at least I think I have because Coast doesn't mark the product number on them anywhere. And believe me, I looked when I wanted another one a few weeks ago. Anyway, get these instead: https://coastportland.com/products/fl84-2-pack It's a pair of the new version of that headlamp for $35. "COAST20" is their near continuous 20% code. I got them last week and they're great. The button is an improvement over the old style - more defined click. The twist knob switches from spot to flood easily and without a 'hot spot'. The only downside for me is that you have to click through all 3 settings to get to off. Most lights will lock the level after a few seconds so that the next press goes directly to off. I wrote a "W" and an "R" on the buttons in Sharpie and after glancing at them a few (hundred! ) times, I now know the buttons by heart. :) It uses 3 AAA batteries instead of a rechargeable, yeah, normal batteries, boo having to open the lid and swap in cells. 3 spare batteries are cheaper than an extra headlamp to keep on hand when it starts to dim so I live with it. The headband isn't siliconized, so if you put it on a hardhat, you'll need to use clips, which they include. Now that I've bought another pair, they'll probably do siliconized headbands for Christmas this year. Anyway, great little lights. Can't go wrong. At 03/16/2021 at 00:29, Shakespearean monkeys danced on Bob Spidell's keyboard and said: >Listers, > >After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was >probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a good >headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem >to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the >grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to >work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even >as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gives away >(which work a couple times then quit). After checking the Brazilian >river/rainforest and a few review sites it seems they are all over >the map, from $10/ea to over $100! The lumen ratings seem a bit >suspicious too, with some Duracell brand Costco has on sale for a >3-pack rated at 550ea, and at least some claiming over 1,100 (for a >few seconds bursts, anyway). Can anyone recommend one that actually >lasts enough to find the bolt that fell down between the block and >wheel well, and stays in place on your head? > >TIA, >Bob Cheers! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 17 04:42:21 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7259A0F51 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 04:42:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vs1-f43.google.com (unknown [209.85.217.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE34A0F1F for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 04:39:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vs1-f43.google.com with SMTP id v123so764879vsv.9 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 03:39:43 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:cc; bh=CCfgUqZyZHa0CG/JGZB0x1ZuXHbKhYuzs/Tn4HQ9QjI=; b=XrsbCoWkZ8fNr272kXlihpJ+IDfsdkA6PG+ylLMgg45qSUl6rET0DhRjLMur25LOPL YduoaHPI2C7y5vVs6ZwqGE5GCQId7RmkCtpNERFeqkYlpo86viyl9S3HN7o7c8Gm15YA uti8SXDSoNF/GhY7aKlcHBrGshdryw0hBJ7Zx6LH93ont+9p+UgTYAwiCmgIZ8ThlNDY XNdjwKZ0NF8aVXc+VxnBEFNemAqMibZLudUbIXAS4lQZV66PMTOWvoZVMD/2nkxj5cgl 5x7a5JpGKpRAPQDeu7UdWrRV3Ulyp6DCJH6JFYw3Kw30ccpn/QDVvM0jH8r1KDEt3dT5 9rYg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:cc; bh=CCfgUqZyZHa0CG/JGZB0x1ZuXHbKhYuzs/Tn4HQ9QjI=; b=a78gMDSF72ejyBlb0hz+BHGj5FyEvQ2asc2IuNMwLqf4b31oF0jjZG9aqCMe+OvaRv XbR/MfuBlIWSkWLY+Tvq60XFK1uK328srfOzXvZR5M2XC5Hoga4Ip8+0MLV2Sk4EkwBe Hsd/PfrN95f5PWlxlQFPSsvUksn9dsfxfFA+4+eb7N+ZDQcpw/qvXILwSsa+hw8bujsX 9HwpsnIhsmyvrrgSFT5z6WPlEBK5UGXtxBjhhqJ4/V18KeGnX5d/XDp/6roUq7EFZ6Wy q9yuTH+zTNsvdj313Px2qQfQ1MtzBKKPfkT4utNDV/ymETYA0MPskYA2S+6HgZ7WnxOW pFFQ== ejvLv4o9YaOaUwGWxmfx/lLtwB1CJeThee11mWKrsLxBxhw= Wed, 17 Mar 2021 03:39:42 -0700 (PDT) References: <20210317080939.DD58DA0F09@autox.team.net> From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 06:39:29 -0400 Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED Headlamps Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3121710242128958641== --000000000000c1095f05bdb919ad I've used this Coast headlamp for years. Bought several for work and found them very useful, so I bought several for home. I only had one failure, which may have been my fault. https://www.amazon.com/HL5-Utility-Headlamp-Adjustment-Compatibility/dp/B007ED3JWM On Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 04:09 Richard Beels wrote: > > I've had many headlamps over the past decade or so. My current setup > is Coast. I've had the one Brian posted about - at least I think I > have because Coast doesn't mark the product number on them > anywhere. And believe me, I looked when I wanted another one a few weeks > ago. > > Anyway, get these instead: > https://coastportland.com/products/fl84-2-pack It's a pair of the > new version of that headlamp for $35. "COAST20" is their near > continuous 20% code. I got them last week and they're great. The > button is an improvement over the old style - more defined > click. The twist knob switches from spot to flood easily and without > a 'hot spot'. The only downside for me is that you have to click > through all 3 settings to get to off. Most lights will lock the > level after a few seconds so that the next press goes directly to > off. I wrote a "W" and an "R" on the buttons in Sharpie and after > glancing at them a few (hundred! ) times, I now know the buttons by > heart. :) It uses 3 AAA batteries instead of a rechargeable, yeah, > normal batteries, boo having to open the lid and swap in cells. 3 > spare batteries are cheaper than an extra headlamp to keep on hand > when it starts to dim so I live with it. The headband isn't > siliconized, so if you put it on a hardhat, you'll need to use clips, > which they include. Now that I've bought another pair, they'll > probably do siliconized headbands for Christmas this year. Anyway, > great little lights. Can't go wrong. > > > > At 03/16/2021 at 00:29, Shakespearean monkeys danced on Bob Spidell's > keyboard and said: > >Listers, > > > >After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was > >probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a good > >headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem > >to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the > >grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to > >work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even > >as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gives away > >(which work a couple times then quit). After checking the Brazilian > >river/rainforest and a few review sites it seems they are all over > >the map, from $10/ea to over $100! The lumen ratings seem a bit > >suspicious too, with some Duracell brand Costco has on sale for a > >3-pack rated at 550ea, and at least some claiming over 1,100 (for a > >few seconds bursts, anyway). Can anyone recommend one that actually > >lasts enough to find the bolt that fell down between the block and > >wheel well, and stays in place on your head? > > > >TIA, > >Bob > > > Cheers! > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > --000000000000c1095f05bdb919ad Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've used this Coast headlamp for years.=C2=A0 Bought= several for work and found them very useful, so I bought several for home.= =C2=A0 I only had one failure, which may have been my fault.

https://www.amazon.com/H= L5-Utility-Headlamp-Adjustment-Compatibility/dp/B007ED3JWM

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 04:09 Richard Beels <rbeels@yahoo.com> wrote:

<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I've had many headlamps over the past decade or so.=C2=A0 My current se= tup
is Coast.=C2=A0 I've had the one Brian posted about - at least I think = I
have because Coast doesn't mark the product number on them
anywhere.=C2=A0 And believe me, I looked when I wanted another one a few we= eks ago.

Anyway, get these instead:
https://coastportland.com/products/fl84-2-p= ack=C2=A0 It's a pair of the
new version of that headlamp for $35.=C2=A0 "COAST20" is their ne= ar
continuous 20% code.=C2=A0 I got them last week and they're great.=C2= =A0 The
button is an improvement over the old style -=C2=A0 more defined
click.=C2=A0 The twist knob switches from spot to flood easily and without =
a 'hot spot'.=C2=A0 The only downside for me is that you have to cl= ick
through all 3 settings to get to off.=C2=A0 Most lights will lock the
level after a few seconds so that the next press goes directly to
off.=C2=A0 I wrote a "W" and an "R" on the buttons in S= harpie and after
glancing at them a few (hundred! ) times, I now know the buttons by
heart.=C2=A0 :)=C2=A0 =C2=A0It uses 3 AAA batteries instead of a rechargeab= le, yeah,
normal batteries, boo having to open the lid and swap in cells.=C2=A0 3 spare batteries are cheaper than an extra headlamp to keep on hand
when it starts to dim so I live with it.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The headband isn't=
siliconized, so if you put it on a hardhat, you'll need to use clips, <= br> which they include.=C2=A0 Now that I've bought another pair, they'l= l
probably do siliconized headbands for Christmas this year.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Anyw= ay,
great little lights.=C2=A0 Can't go wrong.

At 03/16/2021 at 00:29, Shakespearean monkeys danced on Bob Spidell's <= br> keyboard and said:
>Listers,
>
>After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was
>probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a good
>headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem >to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the >grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to
>work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't eve= n
>as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gives away
>(which work a couple times then quit). After checking the Brazilian >river/rainforest and a few review sites it seems they are all over
>the map, from $10/ea to over $100! The lumen ratings seem a bit
>suspicious too, with some Duracell brand Costco has on sale for a
>3-pack rated at 550ea, and at least some claiming over 1,100 (for a >few seconds bursts, anyway). Can anyone recommend one that actually >lasts enough to find the bolt that fell down between the block and
>wheel well, and stays in place on your head?
>
>TIA,
>Bob

Cheers!

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--000000000000c1095f05bdb919ad-- --===============3121710242128958641== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3121710242128958641==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 17 07:01:07 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F770A0F42 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 07:01:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from se1m-lax1.servconfig.com (unknown [23.235.223.116]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED7CA0F40 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 07:00:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from biz177.inmotionhosting.com ([192.145.239.28]) by se1-lax1.servconfig.com with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lMVmE-000sey-Tr for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 09:00:05 -0400 s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From: References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID :Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To: Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe :List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=W5Ui59rrbHLorewzrvfH56B55HgwuKss3UGhec/Eq44=; b=tNZz0CRwbcfb8Wvxo8tROUqAzP XbANfMBdZgE3C4ZM8bjaLZGDFkt9TkLuWM3peBLDJyqGcQ3pE4j3KyfGHccOFfKgg5AJPdcpwoME7 eizU85mFDBYqkaZ9+aH3BII3bnarATmXLMpUqDFS1NVzJxmBeioehd405EHhO7QYmdzi04LYPqR1u n/RWWYoG+QmedtCua6bvK7rD2TvG0sW+MBbhpjoWaT5aewjf5n5WIiBJfjusnICSamluSm/4Z/YwD qbBdCO9Qf2+Zd64bsVPSbl46Xp+3owlPn3A6jQOc+oBBz5s1Wk8U/lbYsA5tp4Zgo7MmYfwlOM2tq 2CqcC23Q==; Received: from [206.116.140.148] (port=58304 helo=shamrock.dillen.ca) by biz177.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1lMVmE-005W0K-Fk for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 05:59:54 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Steve Dillen Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 05:59:54 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.0 Content-Language: en-US shop@dillen.ca Authentication-Results: servconfig.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=192.145.239.28@biz177.inmotionhosting.com 3YnVId/Y5jcf0yeVQAvfjHznO7+bT5zY70Y7/7mwUa858Yg1a2AWAuqsVq1jI9AJxvytwgOadrgN zB/4Jkrw1eDLcif59ft8rVkcaeT//OiL8SPVKPOsgYVALhXkueKT79r7FRLqfX4oDHElj8dvPbPx x3Zl1S6iBoD1ovjXg43n4snHzeFePWtLQ2QDvecnYt5VXhnp5I+LQDa8vBw0SPEaOIISt36ktbqJ GlWIVY5fSo9NE5nrxi/TtzSyH2jzy1+DTKL4wgeph0m/7Zfos+AxsfpxEVjN0iSJBwaRRCp9wOH4 R+ueaVyj66M1yz85ZZhpUrhTRbASVYnBhdKUnGmBdHG7BUn2dK6UtSEdwn3yFtfkzf2ggTHzfqZI wwACW9bQ+KDdJhsM51Mye8eo6Y/hXEFbc9MIm4qZ5/UkJuZ+By/rOgnAAKmW7SISmwD3O07KW3Zh YDkW7+erWZ92q8bI/tBEya5tuBWXiK6eoWgQZnNLL6SbpUc7peFeo3eDQNYbhOKhzzgqmaDn5SlD Y9mmtv6e91aWBLor1oCWetcUjeG94V2XptQki3RQfTeZlU9Os8BY1avH0PZUsqM6/e5MEyOxH5Hl B0UnqQI/uZPOYpNSgYw5/Hsg/tpnX3zRzNRyZ9AHqJ8VcLKKEU6noy2Cf0iT+fbtCB3G1CwpaI3Z 4ESkMWDVstAo3ykmSlgO7hcVlj7/dBGSowo6nR/64BGIS31UbLMRwusdS4GFqVHXFW5WReuVxAbH osvf5T8wnUOah6XP1fm4ddOxP+lndu40WN2km2FmMRr+w2X69ygMahiTQMBdXNbAYS4hXnzmdZy8 YCPSgfoPFZIShBSdpVJW5HbjQTDJ/SAyuaj+J6WkVpLzr5ji7duugWgmqZHBDDH3Mm//g/VSoffW 7VAGp45zAgB9nKNjzpm0lxYA3q6cDY3g7yjrRH1hNwTDHehLmTlW0tbLmDBtUD9+Z7GHz/OHPkRS typlnFR+UVcQg2J+1cuCLHeJYzoQEQJvI4pHSb0rwDYLSQ== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED Headlamps Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6680193219183830851== boundary="------------604830575439C0B9A35A8312" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------604830575439C0B9A35A8312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've had marginal success from the "duracel" or "energizer" branded lamps that take 4x AA batteries. I keep one of those relatively cheap units in each of my cars...they are inexpensive enough that I don't care if they get abused. I gave up completely on the $10 ones and tossed them in the recycle bin as they were way too frustrating to use. I have had excellent success with my Black Diamond "storm" and "icon" lamps...they are my go-to units for anything outdoors. They do have dim modes, so when I want to "reach out and see something", I turn them up, but for regular work, the dim floodlight settings work great. If I recall correctly, these units turn on in the last used setting, so I don't have to cycle through blinding/strobe settings each time I turn them on. I expect Pretzl units are all excellent as well. IMO, the outdoor specialty lamps are much better than the typical hardware store/costco units. Steve On 2021-03-15 9:29 p.m., Bob Spidell wrote: > Listers, > > After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was > probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a /good/ > headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem > to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the > grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to > work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even > as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which > work a couple times then quit). After checking the Brazilian > river/rainforest and a few review sites it seems they are all over the > map, from $10/ea to over $100! The lumen ratings seem a bit suspicious > too, with some Duracell brand Costco has on sale for a 3-pack rated at > 550ea, and at least some claiming over 1,100 (for a few seconds > bursts, anyway). Can anyone recommend one that actually lasts enough > to find the bolt that fell down between the block and wheel well, and > stays in place on your head? > > TIA, > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop@dillen.ca > --------------604830575439C0B9A35A8312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I've had marginal success from the "duracel" or "energizer" branded lamps that take 4x AA batteries. I keep one of those relatively cheap units in each of my cars...they are inexpensive enough that I don't care if they get abused. I gave up completely on the $10 ones and tossed them in the recycle bin as they were way too frustrating to use.

I have had excellent success with my Black Diamond "storm" and "icon" lamps...they are my go-to units for anything outdoors. They do have dim modes, so when I want to "reach out and see something", I turn them up, but for regular work, the dim floodlight settings work great. If I recall correctly, these units turn on in the last used setting, so I don't have to cycle through blinding/strobe settings each time I turn them on. I expect Pretzl units are all excellent as well.

IMO, the outdoor specialty lamps are much better than the typical hardware store/costco units.

Steve

On 2021-03-15 9:29 p.m., Bob Spidell wrote:

Listers,

After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a good headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I see people using them on the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which work a couple times then quit). After checking the Brazilian river/rainforest and a few review sites it seems they are all over the map, from $10/ea to over $100! The lumen ratings seem a bit suspicious too, with some Duracell brand Costco has on sale for a 3-pack rated at 550ea, and at least some claiming over 1,100 (for a few seconds bursts, anyway). Can anyone recommend one that actually lasts enough to find the bolt that fell down between the block and wheel well, and stays in place on your head?

TIA,
Bob
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Tue, 23 Mar 2021 22:41:09 +0000 To: Shop Talk From: Bob Spidell Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:41:07 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: [Shop-talk] Brake Tubing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net A while back, I bought some 3/16" brake pipe from Amazon. The best offer was for galvanized pipe, so I bought it. Now, I'm wondering if galvanized is a bad idea, though I can't say why (presumably it helps prevent surface rust). Anybody used it, or know of any issues with it? bob _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 23 16:53:37 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F17A07C2 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:53:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from antelope.elm.relay.mailchannels.net (unknown [23.83.212.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2861AA03D0 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:52:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9936362637; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 22:52:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a86.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-11-45.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.11.45]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 88E3B3626E7; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 22:52:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a86.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 100.96.11.45 (trex/6.1.1); Tue, 23 Mar 2021 22:52:48 +0000 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a86.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a86.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B7B87908; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:52:46 -0700 (PDT) mime-version:date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :message-id:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= milleredp.com; bh=51vLAnvVAOqkWxmfCdg8dwq23qc=; b=FMkwCPjvJd4Jdn cPmnYzxYdlKvtZt1BCDDBtXvfeKY5x+PfwiN/b97NN79oPDdthA3ImLMEfIVMvvH 6MUZDZJUQWnw/bU/A2fmkfwiZwMCTsH/z3o2bb5Setnl/x7PLRO1cE8A8CmwCudI iEu8vS71/fTobjDyLx1/aPvMaraxE= Received: from webmail.milleredp.com (ip-66-33-200-4.dreamhost.com [66.33.200.4]) (Authenticated sender: jem@milleredp.com) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a86.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BEA9985B43; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:52:45 -0700 From: jem@milleredp.com To: Bob Spidell References: User-Agent: DreamHost Webmail/1.4.1 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Brake Tubing Cc: Shop Talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I always use the copper/nickel stuff. Galvanized? Unusual. Johh. On 2021-03-23 15:41, Bob Spidell wrote: > A while back, I bought some 3/16" brake pipe from Amazon. The best > offer was for galvanized pipe, so I bought it. Now, I'm wondering if > galvanized is a bad idea, though I can't say why (presumably it helps > prevent surface rust). Anybody used it, or know of any issues with it? > > bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jem@milleredp.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 23 16:58:43 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04C2A07FB for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:58:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st43p00im-ztdg10073201.me.com (unknown [17.58.63.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7B4A01DF for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:57:53 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; 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Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:01:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF3DA0A80 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:00:21 -0600 (MDT) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:00:19 -0400 03/24/2021 09:00:21 AM, Serialize complete at 03/24/2021 09:00:21 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] Looking for solution to vehicle camera problem Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============4259850407310292463== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004771AC852586A2_= OK, here is a weird one. Ideally, I need a vehicle backup camera, with a COMPLETELY wireless camera (meaning it's battery operated.) Here is the application. I have a front end loader with a rotating set of forks. I need a camera that sits to the side of this so I can see the forks as I load the pallets on. I've been using a wired camera, but I need to have so much slack in the cable between the loader and the forks as they move in multiple directions from the mounting point. Here is a video of the forks in action. https://youtu.be/6FRdkdKdjyY Most battery operated cameras are meant for home based systems. Any ideas? Any other solutions? Thanks. Moose "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 004771AC852586A2_= OK, here is a weird one.

Ideally, I need a vehicle backup camera, with a COMPLETELY wireless camera (meaning it's battery operated.)

Here is the application. I have a front end loader with a rotating set of forks. I need a camera that sits to the side of this so I can see the forks as I load the pallets on.

I've been using a wired camera, but I need to have so much slack in the cable between the loader and the forks as they move in multiple directions from the mounting point.

Here is a video of the forks in action.
https://youtu.be/6FRdkdKdjyY

Most battery operated cameras are meant for home based systems.

Any ideas?

Any other solutions?

Thanks.

Moose

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 004771AC852586A2_=-- --===============4259850407310292463== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4259850407310292463==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 24 07:21:40 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428D7A0A99 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:21:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17281801.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8D2A05B8 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:18:05 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1616591883; bh=7j8CVrOZXp7foQDSujSC+Rffd6wkG83947uOK8btMu8=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=bhKV9P+g2SWZ8jnbF+GhcLO5zYEcY5DZiKE9QiR/M/HyHuAHpaGxpWIO+T1CPgd2p oYBVaPPTyD5hZYtcwbOnhpLYWdcd9rEXD+cVt+aVbYENwn/S+sqx8w0tpgOU+Z+hSi Pdz8jlu/N3SFQVgh5fNbiVZ6AznUQzjQ3422bhLgebiY3SwAX/UcZKkH9CeyThRhIN 0SR2Fx72gjbSXgfT38YCbQjgxdwW+CmMvjjUKafuvCtMQMjAIhVcPAqryF5XeF6in1 7eJ73PEWAR+msE6vpB4l22ZNyJJMRVs8WwnBh8AHpozYUuIyZVbcqrT5WvY2jFj/mA 3qA1OaA3401cA== Received: from [192.168.88.160] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17281801.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DBA561000B9; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:18:02 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:18:00 -0500 References: To: eric@megageek.com definitions=2021-03-24_10:2021-03-24, 2021-03-24 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2006250000 definitions=main-2103240101 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking for solution to vehicle camera problem Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7804041630590857604== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-EAF5EAA7-A8F5-40A2-AD07-F82F82549E88 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Moose,=20 What about adding a battery on the forks to power the camera with a contact p= air on the loader arm & fork to charge the battery when the forks are in the= ir normal location? I=E2=80=99m thinking about a plate on one side & a slidi= ng spring contact on the other that wipes onto the plate. Should only need o= ne contact & use the framework for ground.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Mar 24, 2021, at 8:01 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: =EF=BB=BFOK, here is a weird one.=20 Ideally, I need a vehicle backup camera, with a COMPLETELY wireless camera (= meaning it's battery operated.)=20 Here is the application. I have a front end loader with a rotating set of f= orks. I need a camera that sits to the side of this so I can see the forks a= s I load the pallets on.=20 I've been using a wired camera, but I need to have so much slack in the cabl= e between the loader and the forks as they move in multiple directions from t= he mounting point. Here is a video of the forks in action.=20 https://youtu.be/6FRdkdKdjyY=20 Most battery operated cameras are meant for home based systems. =20 Any ideas?=20 Any other solutions?=20 Thanks.=20 Moose "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational be= ing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo E= merson=20 -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-EAF5EAA7-A8F5-40A2-AD07-F82F82549E88 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Moose,

= What about adding a battery on the forks to power the camera with a contact p= air on the loader arm & fork to charge the battery when the forks are in= their normal location? I=E2=80=99m thinking about a plate on one side &= a sliding spring contact on the other that wipes onto the plate. Shou= ld only need one contact & use the framework for ground.

Peace,

Pat

Pat Horne&nbs= p;

We support Habitat for Humanity

On Mar 24, 2021, at 8:01 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

=EF=BB=BFOK, here is a= weird one.

Ideally, I need a vehicle backup ca= mera, with a COMPLETELY wireless camera (meaning it's battery operated.)

Here is the application. I ha= ve a front end loader with a rotating set of forks. I need a camera that sits to the side of this so I can see the forks as I load the pallets on.

I've been using a wired camera, but= I need to have so much slack in the cable between the loader and the forks as they move in multiple directions from the mounting point.

Here is a video of the forks in action.
https://youtu.be/6FRdkdKdjyY

Most battery operated cameras are m= eant for home based systems.

Any ideas?

Any other solutions?

Thanks.

Moose

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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To: Pat Horne type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:20:49 -0400 03/24/2021 09:20:51 AM, Serialize complete at 03/24/2021 09:20:51 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking for solution to vehicle camera problem Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7518778021069832824== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00495226852586A2_= Pat comes up with a great solution. Battery on the forks! Pat, it's so simple I can't believe I totally overlooked that. Thanks! "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 00495226852586A2_= Pat comes up with a great solution. Battery on the forks!

Pat, it's so simple I can't believe I totally overlooked that.

Thanks!

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 00495226852586A2_=-- --===============7518778021069832824== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7518778021069832824==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 24 07:24:46 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56E0A09F0 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:24:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f47.google.com (unknown [209.85.210.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73758A0A94 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:22:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f47.google.com with SMTP id k14-20020a9d7dce0000b02901b866632f29so22981454otn.1 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 06:22:29 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=V/VRb3xlXxB2eRhNjl9yP5/oLIzxqSQcFcfkJ3XketU=; b=GtuDYGJsdhgx6gvdGJZq3TrrzMEQQTWkTCD5up5TPEOtY+lP1BNlzi6+p8qjZ9lAXm LlSuiPLI8+h0dUd3Jezx9fkfBzI88rlw+HxhCc76cSmYlH1YJDix//7/oQks04fnsbBV n/fai98c4s6b6iz80mxmyt/xO2wgie6Fw1tsGsUSPtKNLPM2yeN2rCF64xeKQDGqijbO irsoAWplfGHhN4GPQP0c6NOtpDyxUdHvO77gmWHDm3pW3TIHfSNKhOQENmieD9iqqByV /GDr/gtdBY9DpulOCDdiNtlLZ1TNbJCU00/uYCs7HzKjQ8AeaL5M8hCIG1iZAZb0MFrr y2ww== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=V/VRb3xlXxB2eRhNjl9yP5/oLIzxqSQcFcfkJ3XketU=; b=jtGH3+wYmWDG4tEFS/iFaGVvHiFAC7s2YeC1qb9vtxcWZe2bBiN+rTVOhVEV6WtAca pX+9E3z+Ofg0kp901nCNMO/ERaB5aSmveqnu0bZKsbKOdTGZ8lJap3N8lUNz3jeBjgfF G8+ianAe++KRaknNMdE3tzMKSCACJzSdPKmqr45tajYGoiKPrORtLahj/sZ1n78LsghF bP7oUW5kLqBo/TQlzH893e8uZ1qXi6q/bGrrlDsEphzyjCbXP38T1U6JV+Ns77T1V7DH 9ewLZ/YZ/TTkwmMOn48Bir14nxvMX3bFg64nq2i3mZ/xUdXPlo5EilsRQMUAQKTQtOKk iaZQ== s1fpzMBjRq0AsX2FGgtn6c0rbfWW319o4Y+F8pJfR5LW/V8= Wed, 24 Mar 2021 06:22:28 -0700 (PDT) References: From: John Innis Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:22:16 -0500 To: eric@megageek.com Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking for solution to vehicle camera problem Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4824897683959305255== --000000000000c2fd8605be483053 Try this? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08V5CDRBC/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_XBXW06YGWAQFMGA2S7JV battery operated, view on your android or iPhone. I have a similar (older) model I used on my trailer for backing into the barn and tight spots. On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 8:01 AM wrote: > OK, here is a weird one. > > Ideally, I need a vehicle backup camera, with a COMPLETELY wireless camera > (meaning it's battery operated.) > > Here is the application. I have a front end loader with a rotating set of > forks. I need a camera that sits to the side of this so I can see the > forks as I load the pallets on. > > I've been using a wired camera, but I need to have so much slack in the > cable between the loader and the forks as they move in multiple directions > from the mounting point. > > Here is a video of the forks in action. > https://youtu.be/6FRdkdKdjyY > > Most battery operated cameras are meant for home based systems. > > Any ideas? > > Any other solutions? > > Thanks. > > Moose > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= --000000000000c2fd8605be483053 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Try this?=C2=A0=20 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08V5CDRBC/ref=3Dcm_sw_em_r_mt_= dp_XBXW06YGWAQFMGA2S7JV

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On Wed, Mar 24, 2021= at 8:01 AM <eric@megageek.com&= gt; wrote:

OK, here is a weird one.

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Here is a video of the forks in action.
https://youtu.be/6FRdkdKdjyY

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Any ideas?

Any other solutions?

Thanks.

Moose

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From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 14:09:18 -0400 Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking for solution to vehicle camera problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That says it's WiFi connected. That could be a limitation if you are far from your WAP. On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 9:25 AM John Innis wrote: > > Try this? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08V5CDRBC/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_XBXW06YGWAQFMGA2S7JV > battery operated, view on your android or iPhone. I have a similar (older) model I used on my trailer for backing into the barn and tight spots. > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 8:01 AM wrote: >> >> OK, here is a weird one. >> >> Ideally, I need a vehicle backup camera, with a COMPLETELY wireless camera (meaning it's battery operated.) >> >> Here is the application. I have a front end loader with a rotating set of forks. I need a camera that sits to the side of this so I can see the forks as I load the pallets on. >> >> I've been using a wired camera, but I need to have so much slack in the cable between the loader and the forks as they move in multiple directions from the mounting point. >> >> Here is a video of the forks in action. >> https://youtu.be/6FRdkdKdjyY >> >> Most battery operated cameras are meant for home based systems. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Any other solutions? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Moose >> >> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson >> -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com >> > > > -- > ================================= > = Never offend people with style when you = > = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = > ================================= > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 24 12:53:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6D1A0AF7 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 12:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qk1-f175.google.com (unknown [209.85.222.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91132A02B0 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 12:52:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qk1-f175.google.com with SMTP id y5so17577828qkl.9 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:52:22 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=xHjDfVUxi+aE4LZplNCRFdlfJq0qZ9NpnKnqVKzGzPM=; b=EuKARNW62PFKg4ftoK57qH+STjPVRytgn8yy6c4A3wqhKup0sE6tqJFz/W8EV2XiHK gugnPdpNvWof7+Rh8NQWPpJuVJfPdU9/WoFuwW/Ak1VllcWwN8VQhsjKGOzaSdVUaxxM HNXRylptdbAPVJImBulWB2Lc3rZzTwbaVUUcThh8/cpzqaYhaFSqRrl7E2iFrOBG1DrX Sk+LimWOMyAqrwFDmzBsEKZGF73kDHO+i8zxCyfdkR6xShA8jAK/Fp82d+0hYNfkDbju qL3GvrxWOP4EgxrZRLZ7xTPD9kIn59uOcdIlyaxhR4v5wBkw3ixHcg5OfS8TXHtoqNPf ojhg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=xHjDfVUxi+aE4LZplNCRFdlfJq0qZ9NpnKnqVKzGzPM=; b=LIwLzQwz37hMqS+erch14TVcakH9BkRwSyZaih78MgnqgSzRgxlMT4aOEMMe93aUO3 j9LeJXLwskTbyaBC8C9OM8WZTB3tvBPC+1CNPfvb62udWVfKeBQrr+CBPOsetJNH9Q4U uOx9Ioq/vQB8wMiWP+OskgQvQz05+PgsvBjBOBKQrBA4ZFe/yATccAvrMmwbV8lmKCke EwaMNpWt9PLcLv4jCwsoZhMOoWyR3EDKw9hf6RcGTAE1c4Vl3JlYI3/AzroAuRKo37dN WGatUvzIeizt3n81qSYtRh/iZe4bOjOJl62X6f25CwA2FS+SCFu8IijrNNKR7c4CbW2P dE4w== zdPRZBFBIHV2OQIc9oO4cCQ= y6mr4596243qky.39.1616611941643; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpenvy2 (c-76-112-183-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net. [76.112.183.50]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j3sm2459404qki.84.2021.03.24.11.52.21 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:52:21 -0700 (PDT) From: To: "'Jeff Scarbrough'" References:

Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 14:52:19 -0400 Thread-Index: AQG6AerauaK+dH4lYsrrJtZEVoe+WAI7cjC9AlpYYTCqqQl8EA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking for solution to vehicle camera problem Cc: 'shop-talk' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The unit in the link indicates it creates its own Wi-Fi network: "WiFi Connection Super easy to use with your phone, the transmitter inside the camera creates a WiFi network that will work anywhere, pre-existing WiFi or internet connection not required." It also claims to have a 100 Ft range, so hopefully all the metal on and around the machine would not prevent it from working. As to power, if you need the camera to only work occasionally [as opposed to all day, every day] - I would think you could just use a 12v battery pack: - this one uses 8 x AA batteries and has a wired on/off switch: https://smile.amazon.com/CO-RODE-Battery-Holder-Wired-Switch/dp/B00VE7HBMS - this one is a rechargeable lithium ion pack: https://smile.amazon.com/ABENIC-1800mAh-Rechargeable-Protable-Lithium/dp/B07 53CP286/ And I see a bunch of others... ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Jeff Scarbrough Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 2:09 PM Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking for solution to vehicle camera problem That says it's WiFi connected. That could be a limitation if you are far from your WAP. On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 9:25 AM John Innis wrote: > > Try this? > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08V5CDRBC/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_XBXW06YGWAQF > MGA2S7JV battery operated, view on your android or iPhone. I have a > similar (older) model I used on my trailer for backing into the barn and tight spots. > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 8:01 AM wrote: >> >> OK, here is a weird one. >> >> Ideally, I need a vehicle backup camera, with a COMPLETELY wireless >> camera (meaning it's battery operated.) >> >> Here is the application. I have a front end loader with a rotating set of forks. I need a camera that sits to the side of this so I can see the forks as I load the pallets on. >> >> I've been using a wired camera, but I need to have so much slack in the cable between the loader and the forks as they move in multiple directions from the mounting point. >> >> Here is a video of the forks in action. >> https://youtu.be/6FRdkdKdjyY >> >> Most battery operated cameras are meant for home based systems. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Any other solutions? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Moose >> >> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a >> rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your >> territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John >> Galt?_______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation >> $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com >> > > > -- > ================================= > = Never offend people with style when you = > = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = > ================================= > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 30 16:52:18 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D41BA06B0 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:52:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yb1-f182.google.com (unknown [209.85.219.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9543A06A0 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yb1-f182.google.com with SMTP id m132so19114884ybf.2 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:51:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=RWl/gEen/mXzR43XkTUVTLk/AMpeYmjK/y5YhvU+ZfE=; b=KK1HGixDxA3h+hDglVdJZD4Y+/Yz80Cvb3OWnXifJHWdFZfp0O7PgzulRdtDzADBsH TDZjvmVAZVDuWkcAhU3QO+fWbGQejwx8ij+Zl8lBh7TwP5LMljPzJr932WBy6ptxkD3V Dq9UfByGkvmmRo70yzj0jCIoyq/bvilfKa7RnAfGxsYfVQIxVc87oe105/f1LVy9CsZQ /UGZ6H5AK/+6etxBnPh+GV75rNgdljMcs8dC/pJpe0dlNYWI9PSI43ze6TwqncJIOWGZ 95OvvkEnVXk0R6xLpQB9lXr1uVaEmqA/4sYp/lrRV8gmCuDYyCJeNwfLK/gLQ2oX5MU9 0ukg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=RWl/gEen/mXzR43XkTUVTLk/AMpeYmjK/y5YhvU+ZfE=; b=foukGR9LryS3sf2/z4o9DQDGFH+O7txW7W+GldpAlYIO7ZDQ1BzCicPGwkmBmRcxm/ ykgT8POuNwEUY5UTUy5MAZ3dzEiMIjvLQYm/OryojOQisRhBUMSJgm2YeAhlbQIK0Fjm ZvxZGTs13RpmwMQkY1KVsSVizxnI5wFju9JcBVP+EYhQTDrT9f4la97F/EHvrwcdqqxE rWWGfl93g+s9CefOraHeRx7wF3rbeqfHa24UHqP7+1bRki2dQbHUKK+MyecbLW315lPv jFD7+wkN0vAB5RkvvCI070S96jsOlhFw9uSb2coXw9konMnf2VoD8jGaWxscUvihPAfN Y/mQ== UyD/H9BeH6Gk/bNdMiq4wkLEOtRiK6WxOloX+GpfyFE3 Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:51:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Hall Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 17:50:30 -0500 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] Compressor problem Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1584122691756322799== --00000000000038482a05bec8d54c Fellas, Looking at a used Quincy compressor. The data plate calls it an ATV5. it's a two-stage. It runs fine until it reaches about 150 psi, then the belt starts to squeal like the pump is dragging. Does that sound like a common problem? I figure: 1) The pistons are expanding, dragging the pump. 2) The valves aren't closing behind the compressed air, allowing it to 'push back' against the pistons. I can't disassemble the thing, but a new pump is almost as much as just buying a new compressor. Any guesses on if I should take a flyer and try to rebuild it? Thanks in advance. --00000000000038482a05bec8d54c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Fellas,

Looking at a used Quincy compre= ssor. The data plate calls it an ATV5. it's a two-stage.

It runs fine until it reaches about 150 psi, then the belt start= s to squeal like the pump is dragging. Does that sound like a common proble= m?

I figure:

1) The pistons are expa= nding, dragging the pump.

2) The valves aren't= closing behind the compressed air, allowing it to 'push back' agai= nst the pistons.

I can't disassemble the thing= , but a new pump is almost as much as just buying a new compressor. Any gue= sses on if I should take a flyer and try to rebuild it?

Thanks in advance.

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Tue, 30 Mar 2021 23:01:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 18:01:41 -0500 References: To: Scott Hall =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.369,18.0.761,17.0.607.475.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2021-03-30=5F12:2021-03-30=5F01,2021-03-30=5F12,2020-04-07?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F01_signatures=3D0?= phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=858 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2103300167 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Compressor problem Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net QmVsdHMgbG9vay9mZWVsIGdvb2Q/IAoKSWYgeW91IGJ1eSBpdCwgSeKAmWQgdHJ5IG5ldyBiZWx0 cyBmaXJzdC4gVW5sb2FkIHRoZSBwdW1wICYgcnVuIGl0IGZvcjMwIG1pbnV0ZXMgJiBzZWUgaWYg dGhlIHB1bXAgZ2V0cyBob3QuIApJZiB0aGVyZSBpcyBhIHBvc3NpYmlsaXR5IG9mIGV4cGFuZGlu ZyBwaXN0b25zLCB0cnkgY2hhbmdpbmcgdGhlIG9pbC4gTm8gdGVsbGluZyB3aGF04oCZcyBpbiB0 aGVyZSBub3cuIE11Y2ggY2hlYXBlciAmIGZhc3RlciB0aGFuIHJlYnVpbGRpbmcgaXQuIAoKUGVh Y2UsClBhdAoKUGF0IEhvcm5lIApXZSBzdXBwb3J0IEhhYml0YXQgZm9yIEh1bWFuaXR5CgoKT24g TWFyIDMwLCAyMDIxLCBhdCA1OjUyIFBNLCBTY290dCBIYWxsIDxzY290dC5oYWxsLnBlcnNvbmFs QGdtYWlsLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6Cgp0ZWFtCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCgpTaG9wLXRhbGtAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQKRG9uYXRlOiBodHRwOi8v d3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L2RvbmF0ZS5odG1sClN1Z2dlc3RlZCBhbm51YWwgZG9uYXRpb24gICQxMi45 NgpBcmNoaXZlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L3BpcGVybWFpbC9zaG9wLXRhbGsgaHR0cDov L2F1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0L2FyY2hpdmUKClVuc3Vic2NyaWJlL01hbmFnZTogaHR0cDovL2F1dG94 LnRlYW0ubmV0L21haWxtYW4vb3B0aW9ucy9zaG9wLXRhbGsvbWhhcmNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQK Cg== From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 30 17:10:26 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AAEA06D6 for ; 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The fact that it runs up to 150 psi and then slips might indicate a belt problem. If it stalled the motor, caused the breaker to pop, etc., then I would be more inclined to think of internal mechanical problems. best, doug On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 3:52 PM Scott Hall wrote: > Fellas, > > Looking at a used Quincy compressor. The data plate calls it an ATV5. it's > a two-stage. > > It runs fine until it reaches about 150 psi, then the belt starts to > squeal like the pump is dragging. Does that sound like a common problem? > > I figure: > > 1) The pistons are expanding, dragging the pump. > > 2) The valves aren't closing behind the compressed air, allowing it to > 'push back' against the pistons. > > I can't disassemble the thing, but a new pump is almost as much as just > buying a new compressor. Any guesses on if I should take a flyer and try to > rebuild it? > > Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com > > --0000000000004aa7ed05bec9174e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Scott,

I know it is too obvious to a= sk, but have you tried tightening or dressing the belt? The fact that it ru= ns up to 150 psi and then slips might indicate a belt problem. If it stalle= d the motor, caused the breaker to pop, etc., then I would be more inclined= to think of internal mechanical problems.

best,

doug

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 3:52 PM Scott Hal= l <scott.hall.personal@= gmail.com> wrote:

Fellas,

Looking at a used Qu= incy compressor. The data plate calls it an ATV5. it's a two-stage.

It runs fine until it reaches about 150 psi, then the= belt starts to squeal like the pump is dragging. Does that sound like a co= mmon problem?

I figure:

1) The pisto= ns are expanding, dragging the pump.

2) The valves= aren't closing behind the compressed air, allowing it to 'push bac= k' against the pistons.

I can't disassembl= e the thing, but a new pump is almost as much as just buying a new compress= or. Any guesses on if I should take a flyer and try to rebuild it?

Thanks in advance.
_______________________________________________

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