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over the last week or so I've been getting ema= ils... anywhere from 6 to20 a day... from people I don't know from web addr= esses
that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals= on everything
 
from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to= campers to 1000 dollar cookware sets...
 
I know these are all bogus and if I try to go = to one of the sites my malware software slaps me
 
any way to stop block this crap...  shop = content...it happens on the pc in the shop
 
john
--------------050803050705060408080305-- --===============8028279373620132546== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8028279373620132546==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 14 16:12:43 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1722DA1502 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:12:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wr1-f50.google.com (unknown [209.85.221.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF9DA1351 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 15:59:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wr1-f50.google.com with SMTP id k9so27859784wri.0 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 14:59:59 -0700 (PDT) h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=GRKD2mJx9dbzzXBKTOV05+ii1dd7ybA0amlZ+WkgPVY=; b=I/DXXFH0+N+vNoXspdI4qaLM1sKrAPpTPDbE3QclSO5R3aLsnt9yKJ8f3LOPSxA3CB vc6Njegeda0RxTw+pJJ2bmpw2b8PtkqUL5k3y+bGUHPAItUjYalirHT3zFoy0yC7XBXa IFU9LaCD5GET96RX7DUqSfWaG83KlzhSFYSBIVe9WdNiG1Iga/Wt+tuVUVB23FcjFWn1 ROKjaxRWvPeNxGZeOZkLCAcLxecYwHD1rDHSNFXniXZ2lPqERbbb6nRenrIcbC/DlH/s +nSYJ1NY8x7uffP+jqCc/hVc3BgeFlRpVSdOKE1wJkrdYwy1iNJwBcGJQP4SyX328cwQ pIDg== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=GRKD2mJx9dbzzXBKTOV05+ii1dd7ybA0amlZ+WkgPVY=; b=aRKsSNx5t+eG9QoPfj4VrnNW8D4NVYdVK5YXp9KcXrntdnbchjPHzgmrhRmbd4Loq8 tEzcnO2AmEKjwjw9luYF9AerAB3bp6BHBsUD2WhltG9z6JhYnGOxVd8M9FFqRPRd0Rz9 L4YUNqUEhhUhkg1U3OsJu3A4S8v6yRVfM9c1aBEPPDShljbJ7bZhPYR38k98RJdwgmFK e7u2Hlq/a98D+T5KlkJc+BET9nYTunRC9m8N25G1K1eptyCOVW8/eKWUBEAmdln2cnPC IXilqkNJP8YgMqvOrRFwVa6HwAAIp4t3W0fyr3QA0GOI3wRV9P0ugyzqE9f/k2w0NWaJ 8Zow== Q16wSon9nCJ8Mv7ueROLHQYp2g2IRPtjbHxsEiA= a8-20020a056000050800b0022ac5fd1334mr3746898wrf.636.1663192798057; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 14:59:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo.ref@johns-desktop> <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop> From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 17:59:48 -0400 To: john niolon , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8583091347422845883== --000000000000ebdb0a05e8aa3f61 Just your turn in the barrel, I reckon.... On Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 17:56 john niolon wrote: > over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 to20 > a day... from people I don't know from web addresses > that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything > > from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 dollar cookware > sets... > > I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my > malware software slaps me > > any way to stop block this crap... shop content...it happens on the pc in > the shop > > john > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > --000000000000ebdb0a05e8aa3f61 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just your turn in the barrel, I reckon....

On Wed, Sep 14,= 2022, 17:56 john niolon <jniolon@att= .net> wrote:
over the last week or so I've been getting= emails... anywhere from 6 to20 a day... from people I don't know from = web addresses
that aren't valid offering me tremendous d= eals on everything
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from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to= campers to 1000 dollar cookware sets...
=C2=A0
I know these are all bogus and if I try to go = to one of the sites my malware software slaps me
=C2=A0
any way to stop block this crap...=C2=A0 shop = content...it happens on the pc in the shop
=C2=A0
john
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--000000000000ebdb0a05e8aa3f61-- --===============8583091347422845883== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8583091347422845883==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 14 16:57:53 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A441CA0142 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:57:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f172.google.com (unknown [209.85.160.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6EFDA13BE for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:19:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qt1-f172.google.com with SMTP id y2so12313583qtv.5 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 15:19:32 -0700 (PDT) h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=wV9UdeIAkvbGFyZgHwlXHv1oSdrN1wTegNFq/F8R95o=; b=X8SVPY4pPbj8k/qfoboOXSbDEAyVP0hAqLB7mo/XEffaUpqy1q5Erz4wUfbg1xdOdS NBPWswJLfAod5iNqlht29Y60RQpO6GdPV+XZMPkLfDBJ2YsmBVofR6p9UHDO4pgZD0r7 9JsooFb1d/77KDwEfwa/XXABQntDursdjxsWxh1S42m1Y5+2073gvmS4vxZFAvy6njBL 8Ik59oePmOjLDYqcvUUsE8TjMI34/px37zDWASzlcEu8sZJcM/WwsgxtWAtYIt/gTTVv cAODwpZITsq9GD5shoJurpB5Jk/0CN2rqYj3OBU2RrKlOiLgZbrLiETWL4lHuzFVWUO7 65gQ== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date; bh=wV9UdeIAkvbGFyZgHwlXHv1oSdrN1wTegNFq/F8R95o=; b=z0cf+PbgmEHvP7uFUxCgu+oZBHIE6NEVv+1NZr8dInL69wsv756WY3jEzb1Wg3cuJ9 LMrvH7YONDLLgK9aokncQIUXojQd68u7EBa7z+ZdBFcQRrNxAZPJnIUMoTpnVDHqOU6V LKBHG+w8uT/o0f4CpXceb8YWGzQMI143gSOFt0aPHE3LWzzZUvgX2aTt6yUasiSfXXL9 NvfhkXvjxeU90lYZqTRO1AUR+UuORM3u9SpbQXFATPqie7h02Xnmot3FP2fQUsdWHOa/ FQrLR8CwtSlUkO4wfmC5SEp4gIcIQHIN+bWGhHBYF9NOxAA0w6DlE18WdTYed+a7zD7B KHdg== p83+N6axgzMzjdBnF9wDp7Q= d19-20020a05622a05d300b003446be682c8mr34495711qtb.115.1663193972098; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 15:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (047-225-035-138.res.spectrum.com. [47.225.35.138]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 62-20020a370741000000b006b9ab3364ffsm2491475qkh.11.2022.09.14.15.19.31 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 14 Sep 2022 15:19:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Parkanzky Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 18:19:29 -0400 References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop> To: john niolon Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5516614228052711575== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-830FDEE0-89EF-4625-92FE-CF6210DA9C77 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Get yourself a Gmail account. 99.9% of that stuff gets filtered right out. Also, don=E2=80=99t click those links!!! -Paul > On Sep 14, 2022, at 5:59 PM, john niolon wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 to20 a= day... from people I don't know from web addresses > that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything > =20 > from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 dollar cook= ware sets... > =20 > I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my malwa= re software slaps me > =20 > any way to stop block this crap... shop content...it happens on the pc in= the shop > =20 > john >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-830FDEE0-89EF-4625-92FE-CF6210DA9C77 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Get yourself a Gmail account. 99.9% of that= stuff gets filtered right out.

Also, don=E2=80=99t click= those links!!!

-Paul

On Sep 14, 2022, at 5:59 PM, john niolon <jniolon@a= tt.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
over the last week or so I've been getting emai= ls... anywhere from 6 to20 a day... from people I don't know from web addres= ses
that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals o= n everything
 
from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to c= ampers to 1000 dollar cookware sets...
 
I know these are all bogus and if I try to go t= o one of the sites my malware software slaps me
 
any way to stop block this crap...  shop c= ontent...it happens on the pc in the shop
 
john


= --Apple-Mail-830FDEE0-89EF-4625-92FE-CF6210DA9C77-- --===============5516614228052711575== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============5516614228052711575==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 14 17:17:37 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF15BA1565 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 17:17:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw1-f178.google.com (unknown [209.85.128.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DA0A152C for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:44:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yw1-f178.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-324ec5a9e97so198542867b3.7 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 15:44:11 -0700 (PDT) h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=iLb+WmO0FRKSmIXAV5HwNTPct8pJK0HHLOwtbIkWbX0=; b=Y+SckI05aT5S6Dw2oom0L23FwYolsC+a7v3PEOGr3Q45j+yJMMfGMy/rzBiLaZGn8m hNEExEDCaf3Zqjj3yr0uGPgSHQwrItZlJpCgVtaYolxlTw29bn5y6iqSyfqmST+UtUex R2Xp5rNRYjMuHX1BNtTvFB7a7shaNUF+EV+7Vsm/L5Z+glVGNB5Chc5Q+QFxXagBM6PV 6REYm4CMyplFleIR3bofxtfrunOZeWFfj2kHLHnHj5+EsK7AkJDS/00F6OIDMMerWBxW NhyJ5bcpqFmck/d7XqH2qaI7C90SVI7s4/wjmEYfZOxvs2JnwTlq7cFPzqf7XU0ITyob RtVg== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=iLb+WmO0FRKSmIXAV5HwNTPct8pJK0HHLOwtbIkWbX0=; b=q77VvvPuLOX/KsFqtwRZ8Bzvvc/8Tw8VbJZ8LRTEPbGI8CkLJUI7sm1IoErf1qMa33 lSyKDrGn3QvAZcnHIMcpVNMot5CLW96c+rzSbyzUEtUfa48iUhSDqJzX7sEDlQcoU90J V4qGWHcqdKS7xKbot/r2e6Xs5oKZDtXRViezFLETAgEM8dUhWBBFFSCIgSiwf4JikTFx Nz0yjbhNPsC5jTGHNHfks3Pdxhv5koTXGrAlQ71wrNkuq44Y3dunyKYtMNDppDK+9T3d t69R/cT9qfUwXQFTv3F41hMGVTgElMhTxrwmGUzQ7IzEOdEjWfvtbNOSMoy/5vulaMi1 hrlQ== 3HochENdmx6uKHwCOSeh0ZV3/1rfs7raZhB7uQ== 19-20020a811413000000b003463229f075mr32978975ywu.32.1663195450991; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 15:44:10 -0700 (PDT) References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo.ref@johns-desktop> <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop> From: Ronnie Day Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 17:34:15 -0500 To: Jeff Scarbrough Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9215229304831951118== --0000000000000c676005e8aade78 John, Not sure what you're using for email, but most, both browser and server/client based have some sort of spam filtering built-in They usually improve as you "teach" them bogus domains and addresses. You may have accidentally changed some setting that's allowing the junk to get through. RD On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 5:25 PM Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Just your turn in the barrel, I reckon.... > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 17:56 john niolon wrote: > >> over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 to20 >> a day... from people I don't know from web addresses >> that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything >> >> from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 dollar cookware >> sets... >> >> I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my >> malware software slaps me >> >> any way to stop block this crap... shop content...it happens on the pc >> in the shop >> >> john >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com > > --0000000000000c676005e8aade78 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John,

Not sure what you're using fo= r email, but most, both browser and server/client based have some sort of s= pam filtering built-in They usually improve as you "teach" them b= ogus domains=C2=A0and addresses. You=C2=A0may have accidentally=C2=A0change= d some setting that's allowing the junk to get through.

RD
=

= On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 5:25 PM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:
Just your turn in the = barrel, I reckon....

On Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 17:56 john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
over the last week or so I've been getting= emails... anywhere from 6 to20 a day... from people I don't know from = web addresses
that aren't valid offering me tremendous d= eals on everything
=C2=A0
from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to= campers to 1000 dollar cookware sets...
=C2=A0
I know these are all bogus and if I try to go = to one of the sites my malware software slaps me
=C2=A0
any way to stop block this crap...=C2=A0 shop = content...it happens on the pc in the shop
=C2=A0
john
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Peace,
= Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Human= ity


On Sep 14, 2022, at 6:11 P= M, Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFGet yourself a Gmail account. 99.9% of that stuff gets filtered r= ight out.

Also, don=E2=80=99t click those links!!!
-Paul

= On Sep 14, 2022, at 5:59 PM, john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
<= br>
=EF=BB=BF
over the last week or so I've been getting emai= ls... anywhere from 6 to20 a day... from people I don't know from web addres= ses
that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals o= n everything
 
from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to c= ampers to 1000 dollar cookware sets...
 
I know these are all bogus and if I try to go t= o one of the sites my malware software slaps me
 
any way to stop block this crap...  shop c= ontent...it happens on the pc in the shop
 
john


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Thu, 15 Sep 2022 00:17:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 17:17:51 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.13.0 Content-Language: en-US To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop> From: Bob Spidell Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1881035600619047527== boundary="------------0vlNKQ0RoGJ0BBnom3bVXczP" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0vlNKQ0RoGJ0BBnom3bVXczP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit gmail is fine if you don't mind Google reading, analyzing and categorizing your email: https://securityboulevard.com/2019/11/does-google-read-your-email/ I use Thunderbird--open source client from the Mozilla people--in POP mode and every time I get a spam email (20 or so a day), I create a filter on the major domain of the sender. It's an inconvenience, but at least I get the satisfaction that the next garbage that site sends goes straight to a local trash folder. T-Bird also has a decent calendar. On 9/14/2022 3:19 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote: > Get yourself a Gmail account. 99.9% of that stuff gets filtered right > out. > > Also, don’t click those links!!! > > -Paul > >> On Sep 14, 2022, at 5:59 PM, john niolon wrote: >> >>  >> over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 >> to20 a day... from people I don't know from web addresses >> that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything >> from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 dollar >> cookware sets... >> I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my >> malware software slaps me >> any way to stop block this crap...  shop content...it happens on the >> pc in the shop >> john >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspidell@comcast.net > --------------0vlNKQ0RoGJ0BBnom3bVXczP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit gmail is fine if you don't mind Google reading, analyzing and categorizing your email:

https://securityboulevard.com/2019/11/does-google-read-your-email/

I use Thunderbird--open source client from the Mozilla people--in POP mode and every time I get a spam email (20 or so a day), I create a filter on the major domain of the sender. It's an inconvenience, but at least I get the satisfaction that the next garbage that site sends goes straight to a local trash folder. T-Bird also has a decent calendar.



On 9/14/2022 3:19 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote:
Get yourself a Gmail account. 99.9% of that stuff gets filtered right out.

Also, don’t click those links!!!

-Paul

On Sep 14, 2022, at 5:59 PM, john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:


over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 to20 a day... from people I don't know from web addresses
that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything
 
from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 dollar cookware sets...
 
I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my malware software slaps me
 
any way to stop block this crap...  shop content...it happens on the pc in the shop
 
john



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I've had good luck with pobox.com.=C2=A0 I like that I can
choose a variety of do= mains for my email address(es).

It's a redirec= tor, and filters the spam as it's redirecting
the email.
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 6:22 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
gmail is fine if you don't mind Google reading, analyzing and categorizing your email:

https://securityboulevard.com/2019/11/does-google= -read-your-email/

I use Thunderbird--open source client from the Mozilla people--in POP mode and every time I get a spam email (20 or so a day), I create a filter on the major domain of the sender. It's an inconvenience, but at least I get the satisfaction that the next garbage that site sends goes straight to a local trash folder. T-Bird also has a decent calendar.



On 9/14/2022 3:19 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote:
=20 Get yourself a Gmail account. 99.9% of that stuff gets filtered right out.

Also, don=E2=80=99t click those links!!!

-Paul

On Sep 14, 2022, at 5:59 PM, john niolon <= ;jniolon@att.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF =20
over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 to20 a day... from people I don't know from web addresses
that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything
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from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 dollar cookware sets...
=C2=A0
I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my malware software slaps me
=C2=A0
any way to stop block this crap...=C2=A0 shop content...it happens on the pc in the sh= op
=C2=A0
john



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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 919fe6149696dd8da4e494ec3d3aadc9; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 19:11:08 +0000 (UTC) From: "john niolon" To: "Mark Bradakis" , shop-talk Content-Disposition: inline Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:11:06 -0500 References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop> <572ba617-c55f-99fb-50cf-54af813109e0@comcast.net> User-Agent: OEClassic/3.2.72 (Win10.19043; P; 2022-09-14) mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net PLEASE NOOOOO, MARK !!! I think my inbox would explode and I'd have bits of spam everywhere. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Bradakis To: Sent: 9/15/2022 1:18:06 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails ________________________________________________________________________________ I should take off all the filters and anti-spam stuff on Team Net. Then you folks could REALLY see some bogus emails! mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 15 15:51:02 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA23A1694 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 15:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17282001.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.57]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01EDA1642 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:31:07 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1663273875; bh=uqHA8SN0ubWAGqLIVr8CcJYIzGVJHsf927vyzswRohY=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=EwiVrRmOWLCBCkTvkv1t/jNn5RdD081NvaT8ihcECRI4qxcoUhXIAocEsrLbEe2cH tIksE0Fw9n5uwzg3QhxvUf3EPtvj7DMYGPDkZ9zPe3b2FuPo/yOt/jPps2pGF2lQ8S SfWAb+muSZqAuIHyuWwKt2G9OKqp5T2d9C78z1d3q1HpTeX4tP0jvoYSGf+X6zalIr iKf4fVNG0QvLzA4NwIvInzxg1U71L0c0ztoSVh6OSqt7uR4TftFL+/XAtu5j6pw4lL FIq9f5nnYf5meDukrk4CW6I2MVgTlWLUYevbaI8QG6eHnAg9h8Bj8h+KkksGa1d6Qv tBGvaVji/wqOA== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms11p00im-dlb-asmtpmailmevip.me.com [17.57.154.19]) by ms11p00im-qufo17282001.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6C1931E05EE; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:31:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 15:31:13 -0500 References: <1UbwY8RAXa.57TZMw7rZJ9@johns-desktop> To: john niolon =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.425,18.0.572,17.11.62.513.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2022-01-14=5F01:2022-01-14=5F01,2020-02-14=5F11,2021-12-02?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F01_signatures=3D0?= bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2206140000 definitions=main-2209150126 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails Cc: shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sm9obiwgYSBsaXR0bGUgYnJvd24gc3VnYXIgJiBmcmllZCwgc3BhbSBpcyBxdWl0ZSBwYXNzYWJs ZSBmb3IgYnJlYWtmYXN0LiAoQXQgbGVhc3QgdGhhdOKAmXMgaG93IEkgcmVtZW1iZXIgaXQgZnJv bSB0aGUgbGF0ZSA1MHMvZWFybHkgNjBzLikKClBlYWNlLApQYXQKClBhdCBIb3JuZSAKV2Ugc3Vw cG9ydCBIYWJpdGF0IGZvciBIdW1hbml0eQoKCk9uIFNlcCAxNSwgMjAyMiwgYXQgMzoyNiBQTSwg am9obiBuaW9sb24gPGpuaW9sb25AYXR0Lm5ldD4gd3JvdGU6Cgrvu78gICBQTEVBU0UgTk9PT09P LCBNQVJLICEhISBJIHRoaW5rIG15IGluYm94IHdvdWxkIGV4cGxvZGUgYW5kIEknZCBoYXZlIGJp dHMgb2Ygc3BhbSBldmVyeXdoZXJlLgoKLS0tLS0gT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZSAtLS0tLQpGcm9t OiBNYXJrIEJyYWRha2lzIDxtYXJrQGJyYWRha2lzLmNvbT4KVG86IDxzaG9wLXRhbGtAYXV0b3gu dGVhbS5uZXQ+ClNlbnQ6IDkvMTUvMjAyMiAxOjE4OjA2IFBNClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBbU2hvcC10 YWxrXSBib2d1cyBlbWFpbHMKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KCgpJIHNob3VsZCB0YWtl IG9mZiBhbGwgdGhlIGZpbHRlcnMgYW5kIGFudGktc3BhbSBzdHVmZiBvbiBUZWFtIE5ldC4gIFRo ZW4geW91IGZvbGtzIGNvdWxkIFJFQUxMWSBzZWUgc29tZSAgYm9ndXMgZW1haWxzIQoKbWpiLgoK Cl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCgpTaG9wLXRh bGtAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQKRG9uYXRlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L2RvbmF0ZS5odG1s ClN1Z2dlc3RlZCBhbm51YWwgZG9uYXRpb24gICQxMi45NgpBcmNoaXZlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRl YW0ubmV0L3BpcGVybWFpbC9zaG9wLXRhbGsgaHR0cDovL2F1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0L2FyY2hpdmUK ClVuc3Vic2NyaWJlL01hbmFnZTogaHR0cDovL2F1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0L21haWxtYW4vb3B0aW9u cy9zaG9wLXRhbGsvam5pb2xvbkBhdHQubmV0Cl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCgpTaG9wLXRhbGtAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQKRG9uYXRlOiBodHRw Oi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L2RvbmF0ZS5odG1sClN1Z2dlc3RlZCBhbm51YWwgZG9uYXRpb24gICQx Mi45NgpBcmNoaXZlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L3BpcGVybWFpbC9zaG9wLXRhbGsgaHR0 cDovL2F1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0L2FyY2hpdmUKClVuc3Vic2NyaWJlL01hbmFnZTogaHR0cDovL2F1 dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0L21haWxtYW4vb3B0aW9ucy9zaG9wLXRhbGsvcGF0aW50ZXhhc0BpY2xvdWQu Y29tCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwoKU2hv cC10YWxrQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0CkRvbmF0ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9kb25hdGUu aHRtbApTdWdnZXN0ZWQgYW5udWFsIGRvbmF0aW9uICAkMTIuOTYKQXJjaGl2ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3 dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9waXBlcm1haWwvc2hvcC10YWxrIGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9hcmNo aXZlCgpVbnN1YnNjcmliZS9NYW5hZ2U6IGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9tYWlsbWFuL29w dGlvbnMvc2hvcC10YWxrL21oYXJjQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0Cgo= From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 15 16:11:03 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0DDDA16A8 for ; 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I think my inbox would explode and I'= d have bits of spam everywhere. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Bradakis To: Sent: 9/15/2022 1:18:06 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails ___________________________________________________________________________= _____ I should take off all the filters and anti-spam stuff on Team Net.=C2=A0 Th= en=20 you folks could REALLY see some=C2=A0 bogus emails! mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive @att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com ------=_Part_4412526_585152310.1663275109167 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, you can have Spam, eggs, sausage and Spam.&nbs= p; That hasn't got much Spam in it.

3D"Man

Dave
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-----Original Message-----
From: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
To: Mark Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>; shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.= team.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 15, 2022 2:11 pm
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails

    PLEASE NOOOOO, MARK !!! I think my inbox would explode and I'= d have bits of spam everywhere.

----- = Original Message -----
From: Mark Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>
To: <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: 9/15/20= 22 1:18:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
______________________________________________________________= __________________


= I should take off all the filters and anti-spam stuff on Team Net.  Th= en
you folks could REALLY see some  bogus emails!
mjb.


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------=_Part_4412526_585152310.1663275109167-- --===============3522026778642906429== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3522026778642906429==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 15 17:41:44 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508F0A16AC for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 17:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ej1-f43.google.com (unknown [209.85.218.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D854A16AC for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 16:25:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ej1-f43.google.com with SMTP id go34so45318421ejc.2 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 15:26:00 -0700 (PDT) h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=74907TeN7bytqp9Gd7Rg6xbWVnKGgdqIe6D59EX9INQ=; b=d7BtKsC99jQ8GVlfrgbmSg+jy4QsOkbcBMbIF+OQCHoF7XAdJIwWXP1rfu1f6Kez9Q L2rmAxHVKVOxKkeZfr2nNzAOP1C7yUrZgqR1q3byUXyfB7LHZWnVQSQ3LjEycR4Ispvk 0y9+M0/72frqJ+eqolSE5Hr5d7f8FnR3PDJLdYGXlQEJP2Ku65NZIatNUa4Fs665Hfi7 5YCrlSH4ZM1xKsUPZf2RqbADsm1KxjHLByL7zLDSqJTMkAN3CxW6ifbMV9ANRa23US2T 5v1i8j0XiUzv1PlyRgzCtXB0anFeewC48hJieXzz3995UUFkt2sFPt7Mfbfp+KSb65Oa QH+g== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=74907TeN7bytqp9Gd7Rg6xbWVnKGgdqIe6D59EX9INQ=; b=zuLUBnRCjZV9xyliMibU5ow5qHl5ke9T15t4cgQfd2Jhg7w+7tqdaMgn752Nnr+Y5I gvVMVQvqqQlVM3t5layqCreElW9XWB4Kp+EwfS+nC7VYaAD/e14pJdldc3Pyq8NObyhH Wxp7Z709Q1G5D48Li0Hw9fGS7X17WHArR9hmu7fWrDcjbNcxBcUQ+lD9BHWqRDulgrV3 5OkKRtxo+ltYD/UBhX6/Gq2omD/OgOvT4GL9uwkf4/e4J8SqXS2qLFK12ZDPfZQSK8/m kmBo6H2hjg0XO7QkwmCxboPskrQBnByWxV5oPX/ZSVjKbGNkw9T1pIC91b0FxNi7s7v1 zfhg== mbtBsDeWQH58KDnEU+hAeR5urkPPdogwCe1fv5s= jl28-20020a17090775dc00b007309c689a2emr1451964ejc.22.1663280759233; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 15:25:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop> <572ba617-c55f-99fb-50cf-54af813109e0@comcast.net> From: Shannah Miller Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 15:25:47 -0700 To: Mark Bradakis Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4202421459823053691== --000000000000d0e22605e8bebac6 Spam is definitely a problem, which is why there are so many systems across the world filtering it out. An experiment was done, years ago, where a number of these systems opted to stop filtering, and the amount of spam people were receiving went through the roof. I wish marketing, especially online marketing, wasn't such a protected class. Shannah On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 11:52 AM Mark Bradakis wrote: > I should take off all the filters and anti-spam stuff on Team Net. Then > you folks could REALLY see some bogus emails! > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shannahquilts@gmail.com > > --000000000000d0e22605e8bebac6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Spam is definitely a problem, which is why there are = so
many systems across the world filtering it out.

An experiment was done, years ago, where a number
of these systems opted to stop filtering, and the amount
of spam= people were receiving went through the roof.

I wi= sh marketing, especially online marketing, wasn't
such a prot= ected class.

Shannah

On Thu, Sep 15, 2022= at 11:52 AM Mark Bradakis <mark@br= adakis.com> wrote:
I should take off all the filters and anti-spam stuff on Team Ne= t.=C2=A0 Then
you folks could REALLY see some=C2=A0 bogus emails!

mjb.


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And I use this computer for researching shop tools and techniques.  :) - GeneG On 9/14/22 17:17, Bob Spidell wrote: > gmail is fine if you don't mind Google reading, analyzing and > categorizing your email: > > https://securityboulevard.com/2019/11/does-google-read-your-email/ > > I use Thunderbird--open source client from the Mozilla people--in POP > mode and every time I get a spam email (20 or so a day), I create a > filter on the major domain of the sender. It's an inconvenience, but > at least I get the satisfaction that the next garbage that site sends > goes straight to a local trash folder. T-Bird also has a decent calendar. > > > > On 9/14/2022 3:19 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote: >> Get yourself a Gmail account. 99.9% of that stuff gets filtered right >> out. >> >> Also, don’t click those links!!! >> >> -Paul >> >>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 5:59 PM, john niolon wrote: >>> >>>  >>> over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 >>> to20 a day... from people I don't know from web addresses >>> that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything >>> from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 >>> dollar cookware sets... >>> I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my >>> malware software slaps me >>> any way to stop block this crap...  shop content...it happens on the >>> pc in the shop >>> john >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspidell@comcast.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gene@garrison-grafixx.com > --------------G0ocXo5d480vAz7llq6cjOrM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I second the use of Thunderbird.  Except that I use it's adaptive (learning) spam filter, so that it moves mails that it thinks are spam into a spam filter.  And then I go in every few weeks and skim through them and "unspam" any that weren't spam.  Takes 5 minutes.  And helps train the filter.

And I use this computer for researching shop tools and techniques.  :)

- GeneG

On 9/14/22 17:17, Bob Spidell wrote:
gmail is fine if you don't mind Google reading, analyzing and categorizing your email:

https://securityboulevard.com/2019/11/does-google-read-your-email/

I use Thunderbird--open source client from the Mozilla people--in POP mode and every time I get a spam email (20 or so a day), I create a filter on the major domain of the sender. It's an inconvenience, but at least I get the satisfaction that the next garbage that site sends goes straight to a local trash folder. T-Bird also has a decent calendar.



On 9/14/2022 3:19 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote:
Get yourself a Gmail account. 99.9% of that stuff gets filtered right out.

Also, don’t click those links!!!

-Paul

On Sep 14, 2022, at 5:59 PM, john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:


over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 to20 a day... from people I don't know from web addresses
that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything
 
from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 dollar cookware sets...
 
I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my malware software slaps me
 
any way to stop block this crap...  shop content...it happens on the pc in the shop
 
john



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<572ba617-c55f-99fb-50cf-54af813109e0@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 10:52:59 -0700 From: "Gene Garrison" To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8787818003650746559== boundary=bb60e20d3ddd473d91de04077441fcbb --bb60e20d3ddd473d91de04077441fcbb Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oopsie. I said "it moves mails that it thinks are spam into a spam filt= er.". I meant to say "it moves mails that it thinks are spam into a spam= folder." - GeneG. On Thu, Sep 15, 2022, at 6:02 PM, Gene Garrison wrote: > I second the use of Thunderbird. Except that I use it's adaptive (lea= rning) spam filter, so that it moves mails that it thinks are spam into = a spam filter. And then I go in every few weeks and skim through them a= nd "unspam" any that weren't spam. Takes 5 minutes. And helps train th= e filter. >=20 > And I use this computer for researching shop tools and techniques. :) >=20 > - GeneG >=20 > On 9/14/22 17:17, Bob Spidell wrote: >> gmail is fine if you don't mind Google reading, analyzing and categor= izing your email: >>=20 >> https://securityboulevard.com/2019/11/does-google-read-your-email/ >>=20 >> I use Thunderbird--open source client from the Mozilla people--in POP= mode and every time I get a spam email (20 or so a day), I create a fil= ter on the major domain of the sender. It's an inconvenience, but at lea= st I get the satisfaction that the next garbage that site sends goes str= aight to a local trash folder. T-Bird also has a decent calendar. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 9/14/2022 3:19 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote: >>> Get yourself a Gmail account. 99.9% of that stuff gets filtered righ= t out.=20 >>>=20 >>> Also, don=E2=80=99t click those links!!! >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -Paul >>>=20 >>>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 5:59 PM, john niolon wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> =EF=BB=BF=20 >>>> over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from = 6 to20 a day... from people I don't know from web addresses >>>> that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything >>>> =20 >>>> from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 doll= ar cookware sets... >>>> =20 >>>> I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites m= y malware software slaps me >>>> =20 >>>> any way to stop block this crap... shop content...it happens on th= e pc in the shop >>>> =20 >>>> john >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>>=20 >>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.n= et/archive >>>=20 >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/= bspidell@comcast.net >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.ne= t/archive >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/g= ene@garrison-grafixx.com >>=20 >>=20 --bb60e20d3ddd473d91de04077441fcbb Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oopsie.  I= said "it moves mails that it thinks are spam into a spam filter.". I meant to say "it = moves mails that i= t thinks are spam = into a spam folder."

- GeneG.
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On Thu, Sep 15, 2022, at 6:02 PM, Gene Garrison wrote= :

I second th= e use of Thunderbird.  Except that I use it's adaptive (learning) spam filter, so that it moves mails that it thinks are spam into a spam filter.  And then I go in every few weeks and skim through them and "unspam" any that weren't spam.  Takes 5 minutes.  And helps train the filter.

And I use thi= s computer for researching shop tools and techniques.  :)

- GeneG

On 9/14/22 17:17, Bob Spidell wrote:
gmail is fine if you don't mind Google reading, analyzing and categorizing your email:


I use Thund= erbird--open source client from the Mozilla people--in POP mode and every time I get a spam email (20 or so a day), I create a filter on the major domain of the sender. It's an inconvenience, but at least I get the satisfaction that the next garbage that site sends goes straight to a local trash folder. T-Bird also has a decent calendar.

=


On 9/14/2022 3:19 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote:
Get yourself a Gmail account.= 99.9% of that stuff gets filtered right out.

Also, don=E2=80=99= t click those links!!!


-Paul

On Sep 14, 2022, at 5:59 PM, john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
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I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my malware software slaps me
 
any way to= stop block this crap...  shop content...it happens on the pc in t= he shop
 
john



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--bb60e20d3ddd473d91de04077441fcbb-- --===============8787818003650746559== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8787818003650746559==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 17 07:56:17 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CE1A0F83 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:56:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268D1A10CF for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:52:02 -0600 (MDT) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 09:52:08 -0400 09/17/2022 09:52:17 AM, Serialize complete at 09/17/2022 09:52:17 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] Test (if this is still working for me) Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============6069798804305998207== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004C304C852588C0_= This is a test email to make sure I can post to Shop-talk. I have a shop question, but I want to make sure I can still post before I write it. Thanks. Moose --=_alternative 004C304C852588C0_= This is a test email to make sure I can post to Shop-talk.  I have a shop question, but I want to make sure I can still post before I write it.

Thanks.

Moose --=_alternative 004C304C852588C0_=-- --===============6069798804305998207== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============6069798804305998207==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 17 08:24:17 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0779A0EC5 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 08:24:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30268A1210 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 08:07:22 -0600 (MDT) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 10:07:29 -0400 09/17/2022 10:07:42 AM, Serialize complete at 09/17/2022 10:07:42 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] Diesel Fuel for engine operation Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============9069617606708134520== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004D97C3852588C0_= Here is the problem... I have a bunch of diesel tractors/equipment/and bull dozer that I use on the farm here. Instead of paying over the road taxes and filling 5 gal containers every time, I used to have an 230 gal oil tank that I put home heating oil in and used that. It worked for the first 20 years I was here. The new fuels seem to develop algae very quickly. I've tried additives, but I still have the problems. So, I'm going to ditch the oil tank (it's too hard to clean after any algae bloom). I was thinking of just using a 55 gal drum. I also don't use that much fuel so I don't need it sitting around. Here are the questions... -first, what fuel is the most stable for the longest? Home heating oil, off road diesel, or something else? -second, will most heating oil places fill a 55 gal drum? Do I need any special markings? -third, if I have to bring it to them to get it filled, is there any special requirements to transporting it? -fourth, am I missing a better option? Thanks --=_alternative 004D97C3852588C0_= Here is the problem...

I have a bunch of diesel tractors/equipment/and bull dozer that I use on the farm here.  Instead of paying over the road taxes and filling 5 gal containers every time, I used to have an 230 gal oil tank that I put home heating oil in and used that.  It worked for the first 20 years I was here.
The new fuels seem to develop algae very quickly.  I've tried additives, but I still have the problems.

So, I'm going to ditch the oil tank (it's too hard to clean after any algae bloom).  I was thinking of just using a 55 gal drum.  I also don't use that much fuel so I don't need it sitting around.

Here are the questions...

-first, what fuel is the most stable for the longest?  Home heating oil, off road diesel, or something else?
-second, will most heating oil places fill a 55 gal drum?  Do I need any special markings?
-third, if I have to bring it to them to get it filled, is there any special requirements to transporting it?
-fourth, am I missing a better option?

Thanks --=_alternative 004D97C3852588C0_=-- --===============9069617606708134520== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============9069617606708134520==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 17 08:42:19 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EDAA12C3 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 08:42:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17291401.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B353A08CB for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 08:10:10 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1663423818; bh=QbrokbowkJIjSBlM5JKKOJFUpWRZ0fIWTghtXi6HkP0=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=xR+s5MRn86gK6c6bwaRVYpk+TNZ+wmA6tMniZrrDrIqHte6c3CHTHKVJwoecnhAcY L9BeBBhj9EETWEKocK2RS5rfdbgpsdsZSCpLz7B5Ul2WwBY6FpBBZxsLDVR6+YUjEL dFPa/GWphn451OcbGc0WA6DvAI5ACOjh8V1+ThAnXQ6K0KJ6J+x7McZlL/im5w2TnF UP7RY+GvY9uaF2kanho9UQhIiukGm2tlxq/f0DQi63lpGSCdk14SQDmi3WLtq8Xdf5 XLGvD4A+5IrY3lPnv1RnziaDBedSrj44eVmMzloU1YeslEDIO7oKMm6DVVtovSZtz/ VxOmCxpGeH5Xw== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms11p00im-dlb-asmtpmailmevip.me.com [17.57.154.19]) by ms11p00im-qufo17291401.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4A1BA8E0193; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 14:10:17 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 09:10:11 -0500 References: To: eric@megageek.com =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.425,18.0.572,17.0.605.474.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2022-01-14=5F01:2022-01-14=5F01,2020-02-14=5F11,2020-01-23?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F02_signatures=3D0?= bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2206140000 definitions=main-2209170104 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Test (if this is still working for me) Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4551557834353351318== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-8FBB66D3-ACC9-4979-8C15-B9BEC25BE69B charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yup, it works.=20 Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 17, 2022, at 9:09 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: =EF=BB=BFThis is a test email to make sure I can post to Shop-talk. I have a= shop question, but I want to make sure I can still post before I write it.=20= Thanks.=20 Moose_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-8FBB66D3-ACC9-4979-8C15-B9BEC25BE69B charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yup, it works. 

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Sep 17, 2022, at 9:09 AM, eric@megageek.com wrot= e:

=EF=BB=BFThis is a test email to make sure I can post to Shop-talk.  I have a shop question, but I want to make sure I can still post before I write it.

Thanks.

Moose_________________= ______________________________

Shop-talk@au= tox.team.net
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= --Apple-Mail-8FBB66D3-ACC9-4979-8C15-B9BEC25BE69B-- --===============4551557834353351318== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4551557834353351318==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 17 09:14:32 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15EE0A0E98 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 09:14:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qs51p00im-qukt01072302.me.com (unknown [17.57.155.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49F6A10FA for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 08:15:10 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1663424118; bh=S+0JwaRwyhCau84R/06F/vdAuz1SQo7j1CsEwt3BIoQ=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=Qh7fFpJ/86kAEy5ROBdDKfMDVFjyanp6L3/vfYQTQOclXypQ0+tndPG5mWWiCZq3d AKadChWUxKmK46J2hpkj0MlZ2y+TwiAoJGxE6+vc2RGYd95vpSRUVBN02mf/pBMXNx m/fMg/HmaDbc9lkNd626bQgcy9EmvvcVZ/NhA6yDCcZS9+HYHzuhhH4Tzm1kVR8mjK 6TlgPJim654n7GKHlClkgPZGh4PC9rT24lveAqfy/25lcG1B4Wk2a8u9/b0iuhKmj5 3G6xIqqt4es3AOn98mHIm/OrgT8Y5Tx4xTR8gLmSotuB4e6RyFs+V109+34acVspuE oCmjMvx+MyDwQ== Received: from smtpclient.apple (qs51p00im-dlb-asmtp-mailmevip.me.com [17.57.155.28]) by qs51p00im-qukt01072302.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 48F4A63005BC for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 14:15:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Tom Coradeschi Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 10:15:06 -0400 References: To: shop-talk =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.425,18.0.790,17.0.605.474.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2022-01-12=5F03:2022-01-11=5F01,2022-01-12=5F03,2020-01-23?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F02_signatures=3D0?= mlxlogscore=806 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2206140000 definitions=main-2209170104 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Test (if this is still working for me) Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8729965082017147272== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-76728825-2E68-44D9-97B7-8BE6653E3D39 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep.=20 Tom Coradeschi tjcora@icloud.com > On Sep 17, 2022, at 10:10 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFThis is a test email to make sure I can post to Shop-talk. I hav= e a shop question, but I want to make sure I can still post before I write i= t.=20 >=20 > Thanks.=20 >=20 > Moose_______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora= @icloud.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-76728825-2E68-44D9-97B7-8BE6653E3D39 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep. 

Tom Cora= deschi
tjcora@icloud.com

On Sep 17, 2022, at 10:10 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

=EF=BB=BFThis is a test email to make sure I can post to Shop-talk.  I have a shop question, but I want to make sure I can still post before I write it.

Thanks.

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Reefer does not have road tax on it. Jack ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of eric@megage= ek.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2022 7:07:29 AM To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Diesel Fuel for engine operation Here is the problem... I have a bunch of diesel tractors/equipment/and bull dozer that I use on th= e farm here. Instead of paying over the road taxes and filling 5 gal conta= iners every time, I used to have an 230 gal oil tank that I put home heatin= g oil in and used that. It worked for the first 20 years I was here. The new fuels seem to develop algae very quickly. I've tried additives, bu= t I still have the problems. So, I'm going to ditch the oil tank (it's too hard to clean after any algae= bloom). I was thinking of just using a 55 gal drum. I also don't use tha= t much fuel so I don't need it sitting around. Here are the questions... -first, what fuel is the most stable for the longest? Home heating oil, of= f road diesel, or something else? -second, will most heating oil places fill a 55 gal drum? Do I need any sp= ecial markings? -third, if I have to bring it to them to get it filled, is there any specia= l requirements to transporting it? -fourth, am I missing a better option? Thanks --_000_CY5PR11MB65334197063EB6D2493D9A46A84B9CY5PR11MB6533namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm not sure about all legalities if packaging the fuel, = but to fill it up and not pay the bulk of the taxes is all you have to do i= s bring it over to a truck stop and make sure you fill it with the reefer f= uel, not tractor fuel. Reefer does not have road tax on it. 

Jack
From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of eric@megageek.com <eric@megag= eek.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2022 7:07:29 AM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Diesel Fuel for engine operation
 
Here is the problem...
I have a bunch of diesel tractors/equi= pment/and bull dozer that I use on the farm here.  Instead of paying o= ver the road taxes and filling 5 gal containers every time, I used to have = an 230 gal oil tank that I put home heating oil in and used that.  It worked for the first 20 years I was here.
The new fuels seem to develop algae ve= ry quickly.  I've tried additives, but I still have the problems.

So, I'm going to ditch the oil tank (i= t's too hard to clean after any algae bloom).  I was thinking of just = using a 55 gal drum.  I also don't use that much fuel so I don't need = it sitting around.

Here are the questions...

-first, what fuel is the most stable f= or the longest?  Home heating oil, off road diesel, or something else?=
-second, will most heating oil places = fill a 55 gal drum?  Do I need any special markings?
-third, if I have to bring it to them = to get it filled, is there any special requirements to transporting it?
-fourth, am I missing a better option?=

Thanks
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In some states there is a form you can fill out and send i= n to the state to get your taxes back on fuel that is not used on the road = (lawn mower, tractor, etc.).=C2=A0

Randy

=
On Sat, Se= p 17, 2022 at 11:17 AM Jack Brooks <jibrooks@live.com> wrote:
I'm not sure about all legalities if packaging the fu= el, but to fill it up and not pay the bulk of the taxes is all you have to = do is bring it over to a truck stop and make sure you fill it with the reef= er fuel, not tractor fuel. Reefer does not have road tax on it.=C2=A0

Jack
From: Sh= op-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of eric@megageek.com <eric@megageek.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2022 7:07:29 AM
To: Sh= op-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Diesel Fuel for engine operation
=C2=A0
Here is the problem...
I have a bunch of diesel tractors/equi= pment/and bull dozer that I use on the farm here.=C2=A0 Instead of paying o= ver the road taxes and filling 5 gal containers every time, I used to have = an 230 gal oil tank that I put home heating oil in and used that.=C2=A0 It worked for the first 20 years I was here.
The new fuels seem to develop algae ve= ry quickly.=C2=A0 I've tried additives, but I still have the problems.<= /font>

So, I'm going to ditch the oil tan= k (it's too hard to clean after any algae bloom).=C2=A0 I was thinking = of just using a 55 gal drum.=C2=A0 I also don't use that much fuel so I= don't need it sitting around.

Here are the questions...

-first, what fuel is the most stable f= or the longest?=C2=A0 Home heating oil, off road diesel, or something else?=
-second, will most heating oil places = fill a 55 gal drum?=C2=A0 Do I need any special markings?
-third, if I have to bring it to them = to get it filled, is there any special requirements to transporting it?
-fourth, am I missing a better option?=

Thanks
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b4440b15069f9dbcde916eedf32e6f02; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 18:24:36 +0000 (UTC) From: "john niolon" To: shop-talk Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 13:24:34 -0500 User-Agent: OEClassic/3.2.72 (Win10.19043; P; 2022-09-14) References: <1UbwaJCZsS.2Y2fs1MqA7K.ref@johns-desktop> mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5484885395871984023== --------------010609000102000508040806 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Help machinist and mill wright type people =20 I have a output stud in an alternator case that the beginning threads are= =20 stripped/galled/messed up from someone trying to force a metric nut on it. = the=20 stud is about 5/8" long and the majority of the threads are good. =20 I can't seem to get a 12-24 die started so I know it will true up the exist= ing threads. I see they make adjustable dies on the net... can I use that= to slide over the bad threads =20 =20 the adjust the bolt in the die to sit right on the stud then thread it back= over the bad threads ?? I just hate to send 20 bucks for the die if it w= on't do what I want... =20 Any experience doing this ?? =20 thanks john --------------010609000102000508040806 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Help machinist and mill wright type people
 
I have a output stud in an alternator case tha= t the beginning threads are stripped/galled/messed up from someone trying t= o force a metric nut on it.  the stud is about
 5/8" &nbs= p;long and the majority of the threads are good.
 
I can't seem to get a 12-24 die started so I k= now it will true up the existing threads.   I see they make adjus= table dies on the net... can I use that to slide over the bad threads&= nbsp;
 
the adjust the bolt in the die to sit right on= the stud then thread it back over the bad threads ??   I just ha= te to send 20 bucks for the die if it won't do what I want...
 
Any experience doing this ??
 
thanks
john
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What I have done is cut a good nut into two halfs, positi= on them onto the good threads and clamp them together. Then back this assem= bly out over the boogered threads to straighten them out.=C2=A0

EjR

On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 2:41 PM jo= hn niolon <jniolon@att.net> wr= ote:
Help machinist and mill wright type people
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I have a output stud in an alternator case tha= t the beginning threads are stripped/galled/messed up from someone trying t= o force a metric nut on it.=C2=A0 the stud is about
=C2=A05/8" =C2=A0long and the majority of the threads are good.
=C2=A0
I can't seem to get a 12-24 die started so= I know it will true up the existing threads.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I see they make a= djustable dies on the net... can I use that to slide over the=C2=A0bad thre= ads=C2=A0
=C2=A0
the adjust the bolt in the die to sit right on= the stud then thread it back over the bad threads ??=C2=A0=C2=A0 I just ha= te to send 20 bucks for the die if it won't do what I want...
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Any experience doing this ??
=C2=A0
thanks
john
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b2b93fe7e37936a0a7c867e8f0ed1e34; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 19:30:59 +0000 (UTC) From: "john niolon" To: "Eric Russell" , shop-talk Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 14:30:56 -0500 References: <1UbwaJCZsS.2Y2fs1MqA7K.ref@johns-desktop> <1UbwaJCZsS.2Y2fs1MqA7K@johns-desktop> User-Agent: OEClassic/3.2.72 (Win10.19043; P; 2022-09-14) mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2799504886664145103== --------------050106000006000301000508 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline good idea Eric. =20 hadn't considered that... A number 12 nut might be a little challenge cutti= ng it but it can't=20 hurt to try =20 thanks j =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Russell To: john niolon Cc: shop-talk Sent: 9/17/2022 1:55:24 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies What I have done is cut a good nut into two halfs, position them onto the g= ood=20 threads and clamp them together. Then back this assembly out over the booge= red=20 threads to straighten them out. =20 EjR On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 2:41 PM john niolon wrote: Help machinist and mill wright type people =20 I have a output stud in an alternator case that the beginning threads are= =20 stripped/galled/messed up from someone trying to force a metric nut on it. = the=20 stud is about 5/8" long and the majority of the threads are good. =20 I can't seem to get a 12-24 die started so I know it will true up the exist= ing threads. I see they make adjustable dies on the net... can I use that= to slide over the bad threads =20 =20 the adjust the bolt in the die to sit right on the stud then thread it back= over the bad threads ?? I just hate to send 20 bucks for the die if it w= on't do what I want... =20 Any experience doing this ?? =20 thanks john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ll61@gmail.com --------------050106000006000301000508 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
good idea Eric.  hadn't considered that..= =2E A number 12 nut might be a little challenge cutting it but it can't hur= t to try
 
thanks
j
 
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: Eric Russell <ejrusse= ll61@gmail.com>
= To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net<= /A>>
= Sent: 9/17/2022 1:55:24 PM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies
What I have done is cut a good nut into two halfs, position them onto = the good threads and clamp them together. Then back this assembly out over = the boogered threads to straighten them out. =20

EjR

On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 2:41 PM john niolon= <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
<= /DIV>
Help machinist and mill wright type people
 
I have a output stud in an alternator case tha= t the beginning threads are stripped/galled/messed up from someone trying t= o force a metric nut on it.  the stud is about
 5/8" &nbs= p;long and the majority of the threads are good.
 
I can't seem to get a 12-24 die started so I k= now it will true up the existing threads.   I see they make adjus= table dies on the net... can I use that to slide over the bad threads&= nbsp;
 
the adjust the bolt in the die to sit right on= the stud then thread it back over the bad threads ??   I just ha= te to send 20 bucks for the die if it won't do what I want...
 
Any experience doing this ??
 
thanks
john
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--------------050106000006000301000508-- --===============2799504886664145103== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2799504886664145103==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 17 14:17:47 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCECA0FB1 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 14:17:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17291401.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F3EA0FA4 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 13:31:55 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1663443123; bh=69OC+YtoY8u42jRJ3UBH0xk+l5hTZjxtwY9cB2HduHo=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=mKM77y2xZpbI/0r2yWcbFj19l/mjHdmaJ5ImVpYVOIWeM288N9sOhJB3iBhiZMXGB DnIV2LK/jpHJFofbebtTrlxE7ZvEnMC54IydGXJdXeRQC4+X//hsyzNRTUBhhVVQVg FVDvxyVAfegkWMvVy+IN6eBZhUads/bdtKUPnohAvJtuwDWMIZvuGFR8tsyepKyya1 lBCViElLn7KNaz+vYrNm6nyqjwdLYxP1ONzhEsYh1nZLjVy1wWFtyY4IC50KS/oV6C oaY+8XMjFyZKX57lj9XJiVl3luCzzA0NvjnJVC7wGvudA0vIB7KDQAZth9mHWPAXsG i4weso34qiECA== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms11p00im-dlb-asmtpmailmevip.me.com [17.57.154.19]) by ms11p00im-qufo17291401.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0E4B48E029C; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 19:32:03 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 14:32:01 -0500 References: <1UbwaJCZsS.2Y2fs1MqA7K@johns-desktop> To: john niolon =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.425,18.0.816,17.0.605.474.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2022-01-18=5F01:2022-01-14=5F01,2022-01-18=5F01,2020-01-23?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F02_signatures=3D0?= suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2206140000 definitions=main-2209170143 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5113550064780309244== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-90028DC8-1EF5-4978-A920-4E28707517FE charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See if you can find a 12TPI thread file. You start filing where the threads a= re mostly good & keep filing over the damaged threads until you reach the en= d. If you want to, you can then run a standard 12-24 die onto it afterwards.= I got a set of SAE & metric decades ago from J. C. Whitney - May they Rest= In Peace.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 17, 2022, at 1:55 PM, john niolon wrote: =EF=BB=BF Help machinist and mill wright type people =20 I have a output stud in an alternator case that the beginning threads are st= ripped/galled/messed up from someone trying to force a metric nut on it. th= e stud is about 5/8" long and the majority of the threads are good. =20 I can't seem to get a 12-24 die started so I know it will true up the existi= ng threads. I see they make adjustable dies on the net... can I use that t= o slide over the bad threads=20 =20 the adjust the bolt in the die to sit right on the stud then thread it back o= ver the bad threads ?? I just hate to send 20 bucks for the die if it won'= t do what I want... =20 Any experience doing this ?? =20 thanks john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-90028DC8-1EF5-4978-A920-4E28707517FE charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See if you can find a 12TPI thread file. Yo= u start filing where the threads are mostly good & keep filing over the d= amaged threads until you reach the end. If you want to, you can then run a s= tandard 12-24 die onto it afterwards.  I got a set of SAE & metric d= ecades ago from J. C. Whitney - May they Rest In Peace. 

=
Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We sup= port Habitat for Humanity


On S= ep 17, 2022, at 1:55 PM, john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:

<= /div>
=EF=BB=BF
Help machinist and mill wright type people
 
I have a output stud in an alternator case that= the beginning threads are stripped/galled/messed up from someone trying to f= orce a metric nut on it.  the stud is about
 5/8"  = ;long and the majority of the threads are good.
 
I can't seem to get a 12-24 die started so I kn= ow it will true up the existing threads.   I see they make adjusta= ble dies on the net... can I use that to slide over the bad threads&nbs= p;
 
the adjust the bolt in the die to sit right on t= he stud then thread it back over the bad threads ??   I just hate t= o send 20 bucks for the die if it won't do what I want...
 
Any experience doing this ??
 
thanks
john
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= --Apple-Mail-90028DC8-1EF5-4978-A920-4E28707517FE-- --===============5113550064780309244== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============5113550064780309244==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 17 15:09:34 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6A4A0F2A for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 15:09:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ci74p00im-qukt09081902.me.com (unknown [17.57.156.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD92A09DC for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 14:03:46 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1663445034; bh=6MsxFtROZRMjWoQvlQC46tbjy6yEwXQS04Hngg0f9Eg=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=nmeNT1x0F1+ZFkGOPkE34QOy39yrXXtB2iq4GMhkzfeUg7nXk0ZovF34IPorS/k0A zrJFI1y8wTmnmuFLmcdkTS+Hq6p7VzKk2U7fQIRwYLkGZwG30iwzJcaiDsopcsmFgf /2O3GaUEqT6ultnqkJ9Bl0yAZdIyh0ZzbgmDFgeMj5haMQRz4tpGCjCQCpvu6vu4kb Bq5ArU85hC2PPuzkkd2O328iW9cm63Lc5+AQxQ7OrA6xM8YmZPYsZxAplD0fdrywKd M8Y2j/B6Fg1jpMhbM1AzVF0NG6+Dj3eam68YOD7EypQkk8VAOIcRA+yWax4GMQx7Sy QNnWIrE75xzHw== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ci77p00im-dlb-asmtp-mailmevip.me.com [17.57.156.26]) by ci74p00im-qukt09081902.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A65D52900319 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 20:03:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Tom Coradeschi Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 16:03:42 -0400 References: To: shop-talk =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.138,18.0.572,17.11.62.513.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2020-02-14=5F11:2020-02-14=5F02,2020-02-14=5F11,2021-12-02?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F01_signatures=3D0?= bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2206140000 definitions=main-2209170148 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5281566873387091401== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-456EC63E-311E-49D7-8E8C-E6EFC7587576 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like that! 

Anoth= er option, that has worked for me, is to clean up the buggered threads with a= small triangular file.

Tom Coradeschi
tjcora@ic= loud.com

On Sep 17= , 2022, at 3:28 PM, Eric Russell <ejrussell61@gmail.com> wrote:
=EF=BB=BFWhat I have done is cut a good nut into two halfs, position th= em onto the good threads and clamp them together. Then back this assembly ou= t over the boogered threads to straighten them out. 
<= br>
EjR

On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 2:41 PM john niolon= <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
Help machinist and mill wright type people
 
I have a output stud in an alternator case that= the beginning threads are stripped/galled/messed up from someone trying to f= orce a metric nut on it.  the stud is about
 5/8"  = ;long and the majority of the threads are good.
 
I can't seem to get a 12-24 die started so I kn= ow it will true up the existing threads.   I see they make adjusta= ble dies on the net... can I use that to slide over the bad threads&nbs= p;
 
the adjust the bolt in the die to sit right on t= he stud then thread it back over the bad threads ??   I just hate t= o send 20 bucks for the die if it won't do what I want...
 
Any experience doing this ??
 
thanks
john
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= --Apple-Mail-456EC63E-311E-49D7-8E8C-E6EFC7587576-- --===============5281566873387091401== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============5281566873387091401==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 17 15:28:52 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E040A0A28 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 15:28:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9776A0FA6 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 14:22:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E90771BF203 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 20:22:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 16:22:31 -0400 To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Lamp nipple with wire holes? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm rebuilding a desk lamp where the top shade has broken off. The way the lamp is constructed, it has regular lamp nipple bringing the wires up to a 2-bulb "winged" socket unit, and another piece of lamp nipple to sandwich the shade and finial setup. It looks like those two nipples were connected by a coupler that had two holes in it for the wires to exit, and that is what broke. It wasn't a solid coupler that someone had drilled through; it was definitely cast with two...stanchions? connecting the solid threaded parts. Picture a hexagonal castle tower with 2 windows across from each other. I've looked online for a picture to see what it's called and I'm coming up with nothing. Any ideas on a name for this thing so I can find a replacement? The lamp is worth about $5 so if I had a shop I would just drill holes in a coupler, but that amount of effort in my current setup isn't worth it. thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 17 16:05:34 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5150BA0FB0 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 16:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qk1-f175.google.com (unknown [209.85.222.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE3AA0ED3 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 15:42:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qk1-f175.google.com with SMTP id o7so14514048qkj.10 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 14:42:48 -0700 (PDT) h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=UuBUBntaN7TKOKM9Olx6OnQXGb728YpaeV++D5P70ps=; b=TLlj7RW4M3ydN99PEJRY/kNpy/ZOjmvgzkyikVd77NctG0V8X7AFyutwqj9+lrQ3ls +OUWH+kREgHtsz/TuOfX2ZqZ+ZRIq5bHRjT+V8VoIMrdZor5ED2IG3KKVo79W9TvzJfk harYxEFrrdZvHV+2ye46o+Jjn9bnZ3XGqG0kjKYk5JMPEe3vXoNt5OKy9J/DjWit5V4H uxUMjAA/VXQtIxfAA6oteB3AZ8QbLau+p29k6CjFL5PKnIgxA/gLSqEk1hj0wh07/gjB le6+aMyxH91w2aodZNNITr5VVK8s2q+WMoR+lx1fqXgEl9seFaXk1HyivF+Qee+SzBwT TANw== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date; bh=UuBUBntaN7TKOKM9Olx6OnQXGb728YpaeV++D5P70ps=; b=StS5F5AGYT4V8Fc7JIrZVnRRCgwJ1Tc653Zbee/Yc9N3Alt0rO7Yi2ccXvGQsBrffd KEdBGonRnFYYl5ECBFiPI55hlr/Pw59HI6ZrkNMw8WwzpWdysdMADNIciDukOc6SQzxW r7KvLwi134vckk2X4U4KfHVEcDtauujFeO7qp0jIVpPYFudsJEc732O42bDlY0Aa6AW9 m/4vBzdvPdZpNl02mjH2mp6BkhoO5X6kaWn8FufK1UoZpSYMtweyMUEoeEt2sGQ/81Ks iz5GUWXJ1GBGUjY6lPnVuzdY6Powc3ZDNlWLdzwF8ukC91PPJDkINSHD6xTcnHVrByY4 bDUg== 8VcmEVBsKhEEbmSQ7uwZPrPRfk8dOg== v16-20020a05620a0f1000b006aa318e55a9mr8372779qkl.559.1663450967560; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 14:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([2600:380:6667:2720:690c:a2df:157d:f8e9]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f16-20020a05620a20d000b006b95b0a714esm8242873qka.17.2022.09.17.14.42.46 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 17 Sep 2022 14:42:46 -0700 (PDT) From: David Scheidt Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 16:42:45 -0500 References: <1UbwaJv9H8.1OilSku1mUJ@johns-desktop> To: john niolon Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9088864548537640254== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-6639FF4E-AE4D-43DD-A3E3-96C363C38BB3 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Sep 17, 2022, at 15:08, john niolon wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > good idea Eric. hadn't considered that... A number 12 nut might be a litt= le challenge cutting it but it can't hurt to try > =20 A single cut, making a split nut, is easier than cutting in two. You can th= en try threading it on, like a die.=20 --Apple-Mail-6639FF4E-AE4D-43DD-A3E3-96C363C38BB3 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sep 17, 2022, at 15= :08, john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
good idea Eric.  hadn't considered that...= A number 12 nut might be a little challenge cutting it but it can't hurt to= try
 

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A single cut, making a split nut, is easier than cutting in two. &= nbsp;You can then try threading it on, like a die. 


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<1UbwaJCZsS.2Y2fs1MqA7K@johns-desktop> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2919354124236840615== boundary="----=_Part_5190861_1073927812.1663454354157" ------=_Part_5190861_1073927812.1663454354157 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do you need the full length?=C2=A0 If not cut the buggered end off with a = Dremmel cut-off wheel. =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: john niolon To: shop-talk Sent: Sat, Sep 17, 2022 1:24 pm Subject: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies Help machinist and mill wright type people=C2=A0I have a output stud in an= alternator case that the beginning threads are stripped/galled/messed up f= rom someone trying to force a metric nut on it.=C2=A0 the stud is about=C2= =A05/8" =C2=A0long and the majority of the threads are good.=C2=A0I can't s= eem to get a 12-24 die started so I know it will true up the existing threa= ds.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I see they make adjustable dies on the net... can I use tha= t to slide over the=C2=A0bad threads=C2=A0 =C2=A0the adjust the bolt in the= die to sit right on the stud then thread it back over the bad threads ??= =C2=A0=C2=A0 I just hate to send 20 bucks for the die if it won't do what I= want...=C2=A0Any experience doing this ??=C2=A0thanksjohn_________________= ______________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com ------=_Part_5190861_1073927812.1663454354157 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Do you need the full length?  If not cut the buggered end off with a Dremmel cut-off wheel.

Dave




-----Original Message-----
From: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Sep 17, 2022 1:24 pm
Subject: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies

Help machinist and mill wright type people
 
I have a output stud in an alternator case that the beginning threads are stripped/galled/messed up from someone trying to force a metric nut on it.  the stud is about
 5/8"  long and the majority of the threads are good.
 
I can't seem to get a 12-24 die started so I know it will true up the existing threads.   I see they make adjustable dies on the net... can I use that to slide over the bad threads 
 
the adjust the bolt in the die to sit right on the stud then thread it back over the bad threads ??   I just hate to send 20 bucks for the die if it won't do what I want...
 
Any experience doing this ??
 
thanks
john
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------=_Part_5190861_1073927812.1663454354157-- --===============2919354124236840615== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2919354124236840615==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 17 18:10:14 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D32BA0CE5 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 18:10:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wr1-f49.google.com (unknown [209.85.221.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7358AA10CC for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 17:52:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wr1-f49.google.com with SMTP id t7so41585615wrm.10 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 16:52:37 -0700 (PDT) h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=lRH/pMYVBk3ES4PpW4Ipk+o4eXV9p+7hZIZEr9UuRKs=; b=Uq06be8FehPBOgajEv0vltKMANSNPhlrF9QgXAAn2FjWlupCTU/yaDzEEYajs6mO+k C10F8avta6N88fZN+OdwnfkvLAqR/wBr7AjHrLsMxsHArAFkz1JZ5KdmCEjPXQ5ucOOy 07ayWfSCNo6O34kNqQL6YYMhRU9mEH74qiMD+hSMmStA6KDtiKo5Wo/8XKU/z0y46aV5 jx/x9qc7ANFYiqOmTUhGDmGaSG417VEIDW4nqsC68x/jc2Vd4LSHXLbkcILcwPa3mfW8 9rAOP0XhofWWqu8UImpwk3gZsU3MYxk0bWhW/dCmJ97I+xMBPQBQff7GirKO6yIjeu8y qczA== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date; bh=lRH/pMYVBk3ES4PpW4Ipk+o4eXV9p+7hZIZEr9UuRKs=; b=RIct8i43MIi4749cviMSOEcEU09dn6IhSumYShSfNkiFtqivwZzhWSMqothm8Z06/S BdgMZnqoLWA8k/4aUQfzAqO6SgShzuP94oGp2+6PcnC/3azhY8YP6g0ObA0qZms7JC3j AmhttyxydsH5dtBpGWl77Cf4ma9H/qAX56G1b7ZNyu4TrWk4CopS1ZPeUI2rhU142WOO iUm4RJoe2FHdG2E6jMTU3Yhp6ABgpWCGa+t7JzsR6zAgydHpxYKxgT3vkN2tQOCvQzEB cPai8L3xMpLzwOl+31QrKZPpfZIgXeWqtewtJAukJu9hbytZqMfterMfksX4Di3Rpm4o jFpw== MVFWlHTMWl5PxDxnctT3jkT9JDTWns5FC4hXCfL3mC5f49Q= bz4-20020a056000090400b0021a3dca4297mr6709839wrb.487.1663458756571; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 16:52:36 -0700 (PDT) References: <023D2DA6-3325-40C3-B26D-C950B8DCDC55@groupwbench.org> From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 19:52:23 -0400 To: Jim Franklin Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Lamp nipple with wire holes? Cc: shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe in this category? https://grandbrass.com/bodies/ Lots more on that site that might be useful On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 5:37 PM Jim Franklin wrote: > > I'm rebuilding a desk lamp where the top shade has broken off. The way the lamp is constructed, it has regular lamp nipple bringing the wires up to a 2-bulb "winged" socket unit, and another piece of lamp nipple to sandwich the shade and finial setup. It looks like those two nipples were connected by a coupler that had two holes in it for the wires to exit, and that is what broke. It wasn't a solid coupler that someone had drilled through; it was definitely cast with two...stanchions? connecting the solid threaded parts. Picture a hexagonal castle tower with 2 windows across from each other. 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09:43:43 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B08A01BE for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2022 09:43:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056F6A0FD8 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2022 09:07:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DB71AC0002; Sun, 18 Sep 2022 15:07:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2022 11:07:44 -0400 To: Jeff Scarbrough References: <023D2DA6-3325-40C3-B26D-C950B8DCDC55@groupwbench.org> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Lamp nipple with wire holes? Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3460485380008786035== boundary="Apple-Mail=_8123AF77-723D-4B74-A78B-8D0D43A73018" --Apple-Mail=_8123AF77-723D-4B74-A78B-8D0D43A73018 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii That;s a great site (I have a lamp problem like people have drug or = chocolate problems). The thing I'm looking for is called a hickey. While = I'm looking for the cast style, I've seen the stamped version more: https://grandbrass.com/3-8ips-x-3-8ips-stamped-hickey/ Thanks! jim > On Sep 17, 2022, at 7:52 PM, Jeff Scarbrough = wrote: >=20 > Maybe in this category? https://grandbrass.com/bodies/ = >=20 > Lots more on that site that might be useful >=20 > On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 5:37 PM Jim Franklin >=20 >> I'm rebuilding a desk lamp where the top shade has broken off. The = way the lamp is constructed, it has regular lamp nipple bringing the = wires up to a 2-bulb "winged" socket unit, and another piece of lamp = nipple to sandwich the shade and finial setup. It looks like those two = nipples were connected by a coupler that had two holes in it for the = wires to exit, and that is what broke. It wasn't a solid coupler that = someone had drilled through; it was definitely cast with = two...stanchions? connecting the solid threaded parts. Picture a = hexagonal castle tower with 2 windows across from each other. I've = looked online for a picture to see what it's called and I'm coming up = with nothing. >>=20 >> Any ideas on a name for this thing so I can find a replacement? The = lamp is worth about $5 so if I had a shop I would just drill holes in a = coupler, but that amount of effort in my current setup isn't worth it. >>=20 >> thanks, >> jim >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com = --Apple-Mail=_8123AF77-723D-4B74-A78B-8D0D43A73018 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii That;s a great site (I have a lamp problem like people have = drug or chocolate problems). The thing I'm looking for is called a = hickey. While I'm looking for the cast style, I've seen the stamped = version more:

https://grandbrass.com/3-8ips-x-3-8ips-stamped-hickey/

Thanks!

jim

On Sep 17, 2022, at 7:52 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>= wrote:

Maybe in this category? =  https://grandbrass.com/bodies/

Lots more on that site that might be useful

On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 5:37 PM = Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:

I'm rebuilding a desk = lamp where the top shade has broken off. The way the lamp is = constructed, it has regular lamp nipple bringing the wires up to a = 2-bulb "winged" socket unit, and another piece of lamp nipple to = sandwich the shade and finial setup. It looks like those two nipples = were connected by a coupler that had two holes in it for the wires to = exit, and that is what broke. It wasn't a solid coupler that someone had = drilled through; it was definitely cast with two...stanchions? = connecting the solid threaded parts. Picture a hexagonal castle tower = with 2 windows across from each other.  I've looked online for a = picture to see what it's called and I'm coming up with nothing.

Any ideas on a name for this thing so I can = find a replacement? The lamp is worth about $5 so if I had a shop I = would just drill holes in a coupler, but that amount of effort in my = current setup isn't worth it.

thanks,
jim
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b1dd7a5759995fa00073caec23078bb5; Sun, 18 Sep 2022 20:43:09 +0000 (UTC) From: "john niolon" To: shop-talk Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2022 15:43:09 -0500 User-Agent: OEClassic/3.2.72 (Win10.19043; P; 2022-09-14) References: <1UbwbQMGIo.1XzLrq854zO.ref@johns-desktop> mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: [Shop-talk] thunderbird email suggestin Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4165824267345746691== --------------090907060002060808090804 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline so=20 ya'll suggested Thunderbird for email server to help with spam and malware.= =2E. =20 trying to install it and keep getting message that it's=20 already running to end the old version clicked on that and it just loops ba= ck=20 to errr message =20 tried uninstalling it (3 times) tried restart and power down ( 3 times) it just=20 won't run =20 installs with no problem but won't rn =20 help the dummy ??? +john --------------090907060002060808090804 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
    so ya'll suggested Thu= nderbird for email server to help with spam and malware...
 
trying to install it and keep getting message = that it's already running to end the old version clicked on that and it jus= t loops back to errr message
 
tried uninstalling it (3 times)
tried restart and power down ( 3 times) &= nbsp; it just won't run
 
installs with no problem but won't rn
 
help the dummy ???
+john
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Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=w0c49guSk6GTQMyvWroVgygNxgip2KBBb8634yN86/2dtKWUOcQiBO1pt1Gtvne2P QxJ8HyozlFqUQwzBDIn0em956kVXAIiq1lyhGHwzYB1jC+TZ/WYRnsVWe3hBCUJfgP LUmHe3TgxVAZmR+iBExy5ZshIrH2s6UuIu/22NOwaUyTQZ7HPBotGAUIhHi83p7l+s OR3M4cv8WwOkeMzVtY9x0sgMbAnko4oNe00Mu79cGgrIlRD5+Sj/EDJWXjoJBtJMBR uxObpjRmrj9papuwb2CU5l8YUvhKj7MNULhR5EemeDx0xHalaXQzf83EfMnAGEXd0N tRITdUO1wytTg== To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Donald H Locker References: <1UbwbQMGIo.1XzLrq854zO.ref@johns-desktop> <1UbwbQMGIo.1XzLrq854zO@johns-desktop> Feedback-ID: 21814894:user:proton Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] thunderbird email suggestin Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0296142041166255890== boundary="b1_OFOasB188fTOGr6O8nsW4hb0L7koJmH0fcHtw8zyeY" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --b1_OFOasB188fTOGr6O8nsW4hb0L7koJmH0fcHtw8zyeY Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 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http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0296142041166255890==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 18 18:52:26 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6877EA0F22 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2022 18:52:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wr1-f48.google.com (unknown [209.85.221.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359F6A0A56 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2022 18:48:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wr1-f48.google.com with SMTP id e16so45060304wrx.7 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2022 17:48:26 -0700 (PDT) h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=XKXlnqxrYIfrDTE2tGpm/hlGVDtDE/cKgf+Vcwg+QXs=; b=W4mtt0B9OpcH2DznH3x7E8IRwX85hKbrYB9C//DnqX80FOH/7wurps7+4+SI35JUbn fKc+baNIiHA7UGb1dndnDLd2IeSA+eDB39sxfIjBLO9muCoRxmR5bOfUGSnrU7y4Ptaq 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<1UbwbQMGIo.1XzLrq854zO@johns-desktop> From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2022 20:47:39 -0400 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] thunderbird email suggestin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ctrl-Alt-Del and select Task Manager to see running apps, programs, and processes. On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 6:17 PM Donald H Locker wrote: > > I suspect you are running Windows? If so, I'm not sure how to find out which processes are running and how to kill specific processes. It's been a few years since I had to do that, so someone else will have to help with that. > > The other bit of info to transmit is that Thunderbird is a client to all the email servers out there. If you like ATT, you can stay with them and T'bird will handle getting and sending your mail through them without involving their web interface, and providing the basic safety mechanisms. If you would like to change to another email service, that is relatively easy, too. (I won't recommend the service that I use unless requested; a private or public request and/or response is acceptable from anyone on this list.) > > Thunderbird runs on your computer and fetches mail for you to view on your screen, or submitting your messages via SMTP (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol), typically. It can use either the old POP (Post Office Protocol) or the newer IMAP (Internet Message Access Protocol) to fetch the mail to be read. > > Hope this helps a little. > Donald. > > On 9/18/22 16:43, john niolon wrote: > > so ya'll suggested Thunderbird for email server to help with spam and malware... > > trying to install it and keep getting message that it's already running to end the old version clicked on that and it just loops back to errr message > > tried uninstalling it (3 times) > tried restart and power down ( 3 times) it just won't run > > installs with no problem but won't rn > > help the dummy ??? > +john > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 18 19:15:45 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B71A0D98 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2022 19:15:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wm1-f54.google.com (unknown [209.85.128.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35975A0CFA for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2022 18:57:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wm1-f54.google.com with SMTP id ay36so10291070wmb.0 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2022 17:57:24 -0700 (PDT) h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=sm42k1HPsTsxJSwkzeJb0DweGGrEipyrnEL7qDWcpCw=; b=SOHEjS3GkRkv5g6oCz2FRv+7q0X31+h0YjLKVA5U6ynWFgAHuS+2ll+b/Xu2hSwiry ueMSx/6cTol7ASGwohN520FME0aRVQBs6k3XzXCr2uwlaJ2+3dZMdP9qijDojMOziVyj TAcVAwo9AMRFJ6YOH1jXpan2A+URzuQj/Ng97GXASj89VROwvBZVowjLKNgXSsNNupmY HxMfFj4Yr4iKAZbnMvC5j9eZjfCpOoNb5jyPbKdAexkod3W0u3TsQQ8Kf2qvGAymzlbS wWdtyS6ts63baOjL5wWtwOYrSAATl3IDmotdQ0fRPrMtADnune2A4HF04v+Mbb6eWxWC 0+tA== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date; bh=sm42k1HPsTsxJSwkzeJb0DweGGrEipyrnEL7qDWcpCw=; b=C2CUibhX4xk3VVfJJ9dfdWWEfJdyjwRRNTrjPOXgIdaCbS2Sxz1ZnMAzTynTx3tONf wmfOquOshjweZWbkVoKQGswGDHGVf6Mp1/3+gb8Lix9S0c/oJQnPgTLdHj0bUBitnEp5 WT2MPXGDWEXL3U5v7ytbieTzWJ//ISu3T1BQLO1DXOry/PYZtjRLWKktcl67Zp8c9+4v Cl0ixhH2OaXSQkQZ+mVBGbdU/Rqe/L/hyN9sbM7qVaN8zA+N/bIvTr5o8ZjSjG36/Uwr GShdIx51iTBMjPh/+zTGloRnxWt9y3HvWue+d47fBsUJW4DyShM7HJXJUdwwgr0WvbFm wuQg== 2B4JpzXHURhmXnBamSOstcbkK0Gu10NmOuNcGI4= y10-20020a05600c364a00b003b4b9b38befmr10059209wmq.26.1663549043252; Sun, 18 Sep 2022 17:57:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <023D2DA6-3325-40C3-B26D-C950B8DCDC55@groupwbench.org> <1AAAFA63-AFA2-4FBD-8DFA-0A481CE819D3@groupwbench.org> From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2022 20:56:35 -0400 To: Jim Franklin Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Lamp nipple with wire holes? Cc: shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I remember studying the National Electric Code (wow - 35 years ago now!) and seeing the mention of hickeys when calculating box capacity. I never was really sure what one was, but we never got tested on it...now I know for sure. -- Jeff On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 11:07 AM Jim Franklin wrote: > > That;s a great site (I have a lamp problem like people have drug or chocolate problems). The thing I'm looking for is called a hickey. While I'm looking for the cast style, I've seen the stamped version more: > > https://grandbrass.com/3-8ips-x-3-8ips-stamped-hickey/ > > Thanks! > > jim > > On Sep 17, 2022, at 7:52 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > Maybe in this category? https://grandbrass.com/bodies/ > > Lots more on that site that might be useful > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 5:37 PM Jim Franklin wrote: > > > I'm rebuilding a desk lamp where the top shade has broken off. The way the lamp is constructed, it has regular lamp nipple bringing the wires up to a 2-bulb "winged" socket unit, and another piece of lamp nipple to sandwich the shade and finial setup. It looks like those two nipples were connected by a coupler that had two holes in it for the wires to exit, and that is what broke. It wasn't a solid coupler that someone had drilled through; it was definitely cast with two...stanchions? connecting the solid threaded parts. Picture a hexagonal castle tower with 2 windows across from each other. I've looked online for a picture to see what it's called and I'm coming up with nothing. > > Any ideas on a name for this thing so I can find a replacement? The lamp is worth about $5 so if I had a shop I would just drill holes in a coupler, but that amount of effort in my current setup isn't worth it. > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 18 19:32:39 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2434DA0F59 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2022 19:32:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wm1-f48.google.com (unknown [209.85.128.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DB5A0F42 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2022 19:02:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wm1-f48.google.com with SMTP id ay36so10297232wmb.0 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2022 18:02:50 -0700 (PDT) h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=CUfcLK6iXvq05ORbbbwf5m9CEPcKM+jbRMycQwNS1TI=; b=Wv9dJjkAVLdKh/FOggt3eNfaH495C6iYSrseYlC2zX5BB4u3J69ufSDTKVElxRrl54 Hem4AmIhBvAPehLhP8DW713egcTpdloCA/cB0v6RlOI0biV4u48nlm+arJDpXCxiWXcY XTH+WIxoTlS3qWUt9UzSIUlB38RJJ4XDIE694xjNzl77neQGBDnZOsy31Zjrq9swIIWH aLFGTjtKT4nn/InudHku89OMRMwEX6q0xcQ7D+SpzjkUNNZiaZo4aH0EF18lC6Q+lFho bdcvkxq/TQ+TSVCDsPfDbdXhDtIcfDHjNYuzn7k7bOtTQd8RhNkmmEzFJOWDjFZN5y4k TfRg== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date; bh=CUfcLK6iXvq05ORbbbwf5m9CEPcKM+jbRMycQwNS1TI=; b=rtZAu49Op14AvFCYnfk0XBVFacW5wSEg6xSTr01bUU7a41T2xl5bJRdj3JYQ52S5a0 06eXR5F1dZ6elXJvDy7RPfX0FP2fJuFMFxGSzB4oqAlC5YdeU5RX7SquZT0NbhnG8GZM SqZIj9uiHYD+iDYZ5Sgw/4coOgW+qTpjaLyjz67A4N4JvL0eAXplwLkSjLELdTAPOXvQ kCL+I7LPvAKHRVFCJ3uA7tceeHwxq3jg/ukU0zGenZM0KzBrMxlUEhccRbQM+uv6W78/ oks5si35zz0pXOleD/g2JojIwFKCwU2F95qf9f6yH3lN77Fp8qXpmwPmv//UcJ4M5o6N QxtA== rGnhDkJn0gwk2rxiM2wji9Ts9euMLqOTHyRxLRmgGFxW z24-20020a7bc7d8000000b003b45c416a6cmr10355048wmk.139.1663549369168; Sun, 18 Sep 2022 18:02:49 -0700 (PDT) References: <023D2DA6-3325-40C3-B26D-C950B8DCDC55@groupwbench.org> <1AAAFA63-AFA2-4FBD-8DFA-0A481CE819D3@groupwbench.org> From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2022 21:01:59 -0400 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Lamp nipple with wire holes? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I only glanced at the site the other day, but I'm thinking I could build some nice lamps for the shop out of parts on this site. On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 11:07 AM Jim Franklin wrote: > > That;s a great site (I have a lamp problem like people have drug or chocolate problems). The thing I'm looking for is called a hickey. While I'm looking for the cast style, I've seen the stamped version more: > > https://grandbrass.com/3-8ips-x-3-8ips-stamped-hickey/ > > Thanks! > > jim > > On Sep 17, 2022, at 7:52 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > Maybe in this category? https://grandbrass.com/bodies/ > > Lots more on that site that might be useful > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 5:37 PM Jim Franklin wrote: > > > I'm rebuilding a desk lamp where the top shade has broken off. The way the lamp is constructed, it has regular lamp nipple bringing the wires up to a 2-bulb "winged" socket unit, and another piece of lamp nipple to sandwich the shade and finial setup. It looks like those two nipples were connected by a coupler that had two holes in it for the wires to exit, and that is what broke. It wasn't a solid coupler that someone had drilled through; it was definitely cast with two...stanchions? connecting the solid threaded parts. Picture a hexagonal castle tower with 2 windows across from each other. I've looked online for a picture to see what it's called and I'm coming up with nothing. > > Any ideas on a name for this thing so I can find a replacement? The lamp is worth about $5 so if I had a shop I would just drill holes in a coupler, but that amount of effort in my current setup isn't worth it. > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 19 06:52:05 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FECA119B for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 06:52:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789D6A064B for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 06:22:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 62C8DFF80A; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 12:23:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 08:23:02 -0400 References: <023D2DA6-3325-40C3-B26D-C950B8DCDC55@groupwbench.org> <1AAAFA63-AFA2-4FBD-8DFA-0A481CE819D3@groupwbench.org> To: Jeff Scarbrough Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Lamp nipple with wire holes? Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Interestingly, a 1/8 and 1/4 hickey were $2, but the 3/8 was $17. I'm pretty sure I need the 3/8, but just saw this on Amazon, which strikes a memory dealing with IPS thread size weirdness: Question: Is this item 3/8 IPS? Answer: No. It is threaded 1/8IP x 1/8IP, which is 3/8" by 3/8". jim > On Sep 18, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > I only glanced at the site the other day, but I'm thinking I could > build some nice lamps for the shop out of parts on this site. > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 11:07 AM Jim Franklin wrote: >> >> That;s a great site (I have a lamp problem like people have drug or chocolate problems). The thing I'm looking for is called a hickey. While I'm looking for the cast style, I've seen the stamped version more: >> >> https://grandbrass.com/3-8ips-x-3-8ips-stamped-hickey/ >> >> Thanks! >> >> jim >> >> On Sep 17, 2022, at 7:52 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: >> >> Maybe in this category? https://grandbrass.com/bodies/ >> >> Lots more on that site that might be useful >> >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 5:37 PM Jim Franklin wrote: >> >> >> I'm rebuilding a desk lamp where the top shade has broken off. The way the lamp is constructed, it has regular lamp nipple bringing the wires up to a 2-bulb "winged" socket unit, and another piece of lamp nipple to sandwich the shade and finial setup. It looks like those two nipples were connected by a coupler that had two holes in it for the wires to exit, and that is what broke. It wasn't a solid coupler that someone had drilled through; it was definitely cast with two...stanchions? connecting the solid threaded parts. Picture a hexagonal castle tower with 2 windows across from each other. I've looked online for a picture to see what it's called and I'm coming up with nothing. >> >> Any ideas on a name for this thing so I can find a replacement? The lamp is worth about $5 so if I had a shop I would just drill holes in a coupler, but that amount of effort in my current setup isn't worth it. >> >> thanks, >> jim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 20 15:19:31 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95F4A0E58 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 15:19:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ed1-f42.google.com (unknown [209.85.208.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDFAA0E0C for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 15:15:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ed1-f42.google.com with SMTP id e18so5777143edj.3 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 14:15:16 -0700 (PDT) h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date; bh=Gl7pL+kaw1p110PCBPwLGOL/oiyPl7H+zBbHD377Qbg=; b=go5rFzYDRed40Y4DFAe3kFBbwl2VgB1amzTJji9LMoCanZ1SyFP39gEtP+OQDbLnqP w2yhJKjMEP70nsx/X9pbQ4xGoaxbhH9FqCUDAKDFqrpWEnwgn7pGRgI2ZL8twjJdnkeT tGxGt78BAuXCgIdRAlXvrbNrehNWakaUU/vvwnVkCWiazsbufncb6vXRwYZb2kltyWXg N1CRDZoVqWeCG2k4xVQv0SUsKz8BPF2I+NqLq7ffhZmGG+QNsyKZfw2MVKn0evPdyJ7Z cf+bnPngxPZNdqfJMsw/xZEMw5y1S2YCnn1zshzzledGmU+80YJlwd1niTT8MtTqP1c1 mGjQ== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=Gl7pL+kaw1p110PCBPwLGOL/oiyPl7H+zBbHD377Qbg=; b=L+wiZ581KgaWCYg+V3UxjJcNlYu0MB1LWBMYwinbrdFnBu8xy2eJr+XJ5oek6dH1wF 7YBRu19VNk/DsLuwKCdYSsJyY21sXM4ehVrmZEYLOWmfwHi6dgIyePNTaY3Fk5Grdm+d xSHqDwhNCFc+TUxGZai8cbbL+cJjhF+4Kl3WPPqxpuMFCTufXWvxOk3iV4CtkZdxbkZy Y24t/5lmoXQ5TTAZXMjz8ZeJZWK3/C//ik3sJvbrjeWGTcDNxFWEwmkSZwOE5EcLZ6l1 jSro+nzoUdw51loZSXk0+o/EpzdwUq2JWHMC805NsDXnaWCjuTRRVoAze5VYRCuz3EK4 Qnmg== 5ZQEnaVaDcmgKO7UXB3hCfbQeJgIgnzxZ4WnR0ZdxwDNon4= g36-20020a056402322400b0044fe1ff8027mr21415409eda.284.1663708515440; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 14:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Hall Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 16:14:39 -0500 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] Ever seen one of these welding torches? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3943646751526591981== --000000000000129cd105e922534d I got this thing: https://imgur.com/a/Sftaaot With a normal Victor torch. I already had a Victor torch, and really wanted this thing. It's smaller and looks like it's easier to handle. The guy at the gas supply says it's a Prest-o-lite torch. I can't find anything like it online searching any variations of that name. I guess it might be a jeweler's torch, but I don't see anything there, either, though to be fair I am maybe the worst internet searcher ever. I'd like to braze stuff with it. It doesn't take Victor tips, and I'm not sure if I'm looking for a tip that screws in at the top, or one that screws in about halfway, to the main body. The store guy said to the top. So I guess basically anyone recognize this thing and can tell me anything about it? Thanks. Scott --000000000000129cd105e922534d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--000000000000129cd105e922534d-- --===============3943646751526591981== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3943646751526591981==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 20 18:46:18 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C829A0E37 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 18:46:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wr1-f45.google.com (unknown [209.85.221.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33ECDA0D69 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 18:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wr1-f45.google.com with SMTP id y5so7338649wrh.3 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 17:42:09 -0700 (PDT) h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=MUY2N+4Qz1UewVIvjx+BctV+wNdrhHYiHuICHk6YGqY=; b=JgCGadl92G+yNAN/BPgVoOhFSYZTns8OWYeK7HKqq5+bSaVoMCeZ3d4nhAjssEeNPG ky+jr+cySIh44rB0xnox4pl4CEWeQGvZYmgyJQUc7oUdVih7YOz+G6jHiNJLA8VEHVHi rZOEUJsVLybO4IdX7TbRCpjW1Gces6MWOiXqizSjnXuyC6sggiSkjjsusjt0qfn9/hG4 IrbCxSsU2MRfzU0xYw5q1Vvhp2Fvduw88Alz0qTI22mtnOMOj7eM8l5qZ3MgUoVCpVtY VmDr8KYo1ErYD3zAr/TZUEIJSVtEqx5Zdngs580vFx0xNRVeeiLPo35Ndh+YLF9psDX5 y+9A== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date; bh=MUY2N+4Qz1UewVIvjx+BctV+wNdrhHYiHuICHk6YGqY=; b=zGS1jHC3fdwcQ1ctcaTY7hYKkbYG+nms+AiqNdTclgWbEaHhZbOpzU04Dozj1H7Pzl hwkqdqBTIZwMhHg/YvcpH1rf/dxSWv7N1awMRKXmfRadpxySeiMBo+3ABld5Ck+jg4UE hhgVLiq0tkWX0CHbxaHIm2zFellCHR0U7ct9MwKFmwlArA8ZfmhchZJKoGmB2iN6f/j4 D5gYLDeb90/Z0NbZiQJjVzUhaPOq4pCbV8vAT3dtqIGE9XAd+06MyW/XM6szl4W2r6ja HQ+d7u8uWjrHVwr2YRdko5xIDqgZUCo0x4f+Gqa9+zSYViKwShJkumReLXe4xAqvIKzl TnFw== AoIn2iq2BhDqiX/6K2t071dhFYIXGflnKiXy+Y4= a8-20020a056000050800b0022ac5fd1334mr15932290wrf.636.1663720928913; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 17:42:08 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:41:57 -0400 To: Scott Hall Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ever seen one of these welding torches? Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This won't be very helpful, but I'm fairly certain I've used a torch like that, but a long time ago. Prest-O-Lite is definitely a name I remember. I did find these two auctions on eBay, which link Prest-O-Lite and Purox. May be a clue for you there. https://www.ebay.com/itm/165542677068 https://www.ebay.com/itm/165683937995 These two go together (I think) to make a torch similar to the one in your photo. On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 5:30 PM Scott Hall wrote: > > I got this thing: > > https://imgur.com/a/Sftaaot > > With a normal Victor torch. I already had a Victor torch, and really wanted this thing. It's smaller and looks like it's easier to handle. > > The guy at the gas supply says it's a Prest-o-lite torch. I can't find anything like it online searching any variations of that name. I guess it might be a jeweler's torch, but I don't see anything there, either, though to be fair I am maybe the worst internet searcher ever. > > I'd like to braze stuff with it. It doesn't take Victor tips, and I'm not sure if I'm looking for a tip that screws in at the top, or one that screws in about halfway, to the main body. The store guy said to the top. > > So I guess basically anyone recognize this thing and can tell me anything about it? > > Thanks. > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 20 20:48:08 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DB5A022D for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from sonic306-25.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (unknown [66.163.189.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196ABA0D72 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:40:10 -0600 (MDT) t=1663728019; bh=cRRLdiMAaQuhAyavWCiZOjZReuNmNwMq2yrPsEksNlk=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=UmKpIkhzwHxizrc2hKlbsfI5nP7/P5v/ObPA0IxhlRcLvefBsj6L0URuT9YARV9t6OuzlMa9UQC9QnM53qXKwgHX7rTTpeXv7nKgRfk6mufkY5eQ2/ipvzAPAzYTty8XBFLs3WMxzbexo2SNebDEUc4Nn4lHL6sTXSSRdSMoitTbty5szydbQ9JNvvwTml6hw6Iuk2D/nauwTJ+IDpy1GtW1utTOGTTear5fuObIA+pGYGCa6NdFIxXVZG4KvmDq8rGXpXcxmFDEzFmU4qQQW6aEr6ulTwRFLeDMRAtiakB5HBY1ACl/adeoH3xifAXO6ekBAuI5rYRftxF4JZ64aQ== t=1663728019; bh=LsD3XOiFHyh44JYJ7GYURgJEkKMBgBPz7nhsaYBy8NI=; h=X-Sonic-MF:Subject:From:Date:To:From:Subject; b=DWZlEm1+Ka0wUMMwMpNjZXEufWOP9/2+VnSRV7iqqc482R8am4BS+S6pZVUHAR9TnYRa05qLRdVa71uzynFo1r2RlkmIx+vJNzwGs69x7zUjtTqgo9gaM3F+9KSKNy6rv5amsEg5YUyOFJ91ZURbRChz0pGICnlD/qppne9wU5tTMP14nnYoJ9nIZT43E3uOYsfuLHSeps5/GQ0ufZcT+L84VVBzA7YLNFg4i+sofz6YmWBaYJpczDhx4d0wn8REGeGkzkeffDTpDNoK0aGC7X28p2UKYy97bdp90YW6VXprM4MR8sPpT6Qzz4XxLxiJ+s0ZpZmvN5JaBu0hxqojmg== FJIovrXw4W9yuaXYrCcEqnff45Un44LiztDEIq_eNjDS3UF_n25SVUdaRPlP5N82BRGv9DaHp29F 1uJMtw__cf1ahneWdfDsX.th3P0eizerYQSr8A2BO5RUd3HPS2VcH5ojnF7bmkK4wAUHnZIG0TNy KTlq6oZxAVE9GtMdzVP11oABJrm0eqecxtFBuNJZy69AKgpSDG07v0_ttjhZh5paCdlFzJqHWLd6 VOJfRFdJY.W2qrAed..TzUbP_prAU7kjJFvgWbELk8m8gj5i4fYJY7cxEhCgyOhW6TLgNMh7cUdz L9yY963ctYKiIhYO4E9LjsIiFHkoxzSui6Q1hn8tCYQYuutd_rfI2eA1kFqjuqQD4XWXejw8rLBC zrshnHUN4RCQLm6RgbVBzpoakB59Y6FGxFEda.0sNAVDJuZoi37so5o198n382ccfFYIU0GEaCpO 1BhcucY1_86YVVKvIyfi3fMUvFnxMgGWOFQuguBhklARb6.KFoKAFEMNQfqqFN2FK_JfLNtaPD0A B_nP08NGmvoG8lkHLfynBsvq3x66YMeok1vU9ohn8wWHLkF0_sEu7zch.yb39NiHvjZSow7NGAeD tzZnv.xpDlEoyH.CrXywZ_kT3UangDjoDVys3sMfEFBGbwT.i6tSVXmwGyWc_v2sGAEMM3K71OmW uV3_F8FXN88DH3Li4HdIZZyYtIu64fRIAHAWdLxnopsflb89m4S4za1WkxY2_Pbk.AZ5vgZAa1rY Qya3SUIH2ExAyXH2CNqc2zRX3yOQB9nKbQ_tqes3hbo.uGAhPfc3Mg0eIOIZ6aIhFBagiGnCJ9n3 IjPSplQTOboc71amqv5oENXANAoIj9rsVcNG3My3JGACICi4ZZyCcXtbFi4AAeabOXiR5X6Oknja kb5LYYP0ezCNXwvd0E9KXsB1slc29yRGOIgq3owZtLMovkYKYMX1XFvD4vDQxs58I2zeKFfpGuyb t2Vj1o8SSwF9bQ9B2ruHuvX3BcY8M8r73tkocBUAl_qjCuv8ip281YVREGPnII1EywRR0pdfkiDz blOTUv7wkxR7XAU_VBL8tBZzwyuHy5Rv0rRVHZPz59PQr.iHUsOmCevHhxmAr_8CKwj_5ZW_h4.u 3WdQPpeWcXUvWG6ZU80O5_Je_0d2SrdfGuP0PEJFuTC9.wd6P0s0pvSXSroV36yQvoGbUilAWuvf Pl4owRpopiqAG3fv09HMczyErP_UP.ruDvnHMSrGw2f03zFvfw6rstdo5hkSIXnlBlm4Jrvl_MBB 7xIA7V.fy5iN8W63Hs0tWnnapITiiecBw4nGCZbVkYvCnPTqSfEkz4s92lH6YVOZA7e5wizUVyuT YT9rFk7hcJGxchDwCAYJDMbVBIswRdhBojsc7cVbKOOvtn76wf_pczIK_5kmxSC5WJpSknnTDjme _p_bUQOp62QaJBkxNliekaWrfY8mpopzAoiEso46tqxp7PWSBZXcV94W7rf0sRTO75NFgKY_GDA5 ic0C.EwUllOnS1YRa3EGChaHWYvUBfnmYwWK7ZaZHRBaKpmAHcnU5iiI5iV9hBuNNSG5VuhXzJtm sufs.4KnRqWF2IEaYSHHbFk7JgjLktUzv4IFHvpwgfiLis.E9shJcbklBARExbUiNWUylo0LBJg. i7y1Kuph85VkOWjcvsxd.00GZ6lThN35jBBjSmMlMF4v4k7mZsvT6lYkk8kODtz84I7l7pvN37lR G15c6bgnTqce7.RqavoeW4oQEWO7ZZ3P494XFi9OEvsaunU._BZ_7O4eELRjokHjadb9ZnAQYr_z kecdC3OlxxQA5rZcjtay2L64xodsut44vVZy.mzGVtLC.uyNXf3ykSWX.C.C31f1xwRSKQNgMDUp B5DUZLJi.Xe3RhBVBxGA2fTx0R7XnqAVKlk8vAji3z0BBGan_kOD1VJEpDiBkOc9J78t916ZEPm6 jT1JLbk3Z3sSFeUqHF0LjVqnGoxQsW.fbjfwWTWNQZI.Uy10e7FFHZTcrABXq9cJ2bLluXi2Nq6z xZ8i_.3dFXd8865B0yXkJp3uNvSW6ffYkxU5t9flPjViF.9IQz2Ru3r_zYJUZvl3jMhOPduOEPuJ hUSb9GHuE0cEyT3rboG8sR.nJRNvR_8nvb.YCukI8R7RayoQ.7F7HFYY4VAfI4_TlVegI0geqYz3 ttZp3ByTexmLPP8VICpGTt6ft8k.igr5QFb3kMyNZh2XH0jsFIUnSz4sjXAKHPXqPGrG1Ag-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic306.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 02:40:19 +0000 Received: by hermes--production-gq1-5499fdd576-dl2rj (Yahoo Inc. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 4:28 PM Scott Hall wrote: > > I got this thing: > > https://imgur.com/a/Sftaaot > > With a normal Victor torch. I already had a Victor torch, and really want= ed this thing. It's smaller and looks like it's easier to handle. > > The guy at the gas supply says it's a Prest-o-lite torch. I can't find an= ything like it online searching any variations of that name. I guess it mig= ht be a jeweler's torch, but I don't see anything there, either, though to = be fair I am maybe the worst internet searcher ever. > Prest-o-lite were an early maker of (and may have actually invented, they certainly improved) automobile headlights, powered by acetylene. (What could possibly go wrong?) they also made small torches; the ones i've seen weren't like that, more like a normal torch. Many of their torches were air-acetylene, but some were oxy- as well. They disappeared before WWII, and were part of some other company, and ended up owned by Union Carbide. that would mean ESAB are the current owners. the torches are very popular jewler's torches, there has to be some parts support for them. One thing prest-o-lite invented that lives on is the POL fitting used on propane cylinders (also known as CGA 510 or type 21), bull nosed male fitting, left hand threads, maybe a hand wheel, maybe needs a wrench. Modern examples use an o-ring on the bullnose piece as the sealing surface, the original design uses metal on metal contract. For smaller applances, it's been superseded by the right hand acme connector, but the POL is common on appliances hooked up to larger tanks, like heaters and generators. My first thought looking at your picture is you have a cutting torch, missing the valve to increase oxygen flow when actually cutting. --=20 David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 22 08:59:23 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACDB2A0DF2 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 08:59:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f173.google.com (unknown [209.85.167.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15643A0D17 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 08:54:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f173.google.com with SMTP id s125so12706267oie.4 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 07:54:53 -0700 (PDT) h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=GyXA2yO0OgDaH3ZbCGQN7uHz9UdFz5AhFMk87OFnw/o=; b=FiWZ4dAYvMEUNufEE9fIfkh2nYpLg1KT0Hhgl6NyV1evKveclppflsh5n7FCj18W+4 H4FTQbZHAS3Sm21BO3mPFmB1zKTyTIQ6zChtD70yLuuapKKQRmTH2c5Cygnk/L7EM4Nb K1hMTCY7b1rh/q2OZW6WYNuh+AmjVZgixqdwXxXQNeLQdPkKYj2o8Lzl2gHLR5JyliJe AIhiF6tQi2PfteGdwDXXK007vRlJOITB6acbdcA0ZMOVcdhbNxlenPqBaXCE9T6Aes60 DpOAhnljmsk8CmHiE/TfPOE/A7+jenXcdsdkKwQ1bm4QVtVQWxi50p+wTWaJziqZI2YV wzoQ== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date; bh=GyXA2yO0OgDaH3ZbCGQN7uHz9UdFz5AhFMk87OFnw/o=; b=Rog0PJr4EQh7uuWgEaA2e+3gOKhRHtQPZGr270vixSMe07lOLA+AGrz5N1KLsxTUv+ AWkZL7hHcfeQF6FEjhcxVKnZSu65Y5bQaGdf0Q6CIjwTaxIs7D5qkZXgXKINEUktB2aN 8IyCbXPVNPE2FhcAIRQVJq2PUnlGN3pmbk5UXzk3shywzbUXTwAtJt36XIRaU4lOdLN3 GZJMlya+U3q1Xvat/YAFWfRfjWbRAHdaREfixU/iQIyMKi1/cpVYpjFkkY8Z8VCeo7iL UDwcM3+BPC7EEb/jHPfYBTwJC6WkvLBWPzR1Oti1uqaGgxZSOYoU3Qq6t/N+ovRQcZqZ V0qQ== dK3/Ppl7dVrmnMgh935Cot20u1WpJQ== bj8-20020a056808198800b0034fde19411cmr6468448oib.262.1663858493184; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 07:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (107-221-86-73.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net. 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Sat, 24 Sep 2022 07:39:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Gene Abbondelo Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2022 10:39:27 -0400 To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Where to buy copper washers & utility light Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8763957657701748588== --0000000000009b660c05e96d43c6 I'd like to find a company that sells good quality copper washers of various sizes in kit form. Lots of stuff on Ebay, but not sure of the quality. Didn't see anything on MSC Direct or Aircraft-Spruce or McMaster Carr in an assorted size kit, but I may have missed something. Any suggestions? Also looking for a good quality small but powerful utility light that can get into tight places when working underneath a car. Corded or rechargeable battery. I looked at stuff at Lowes and Home Depot but didn't like any of it. Any suggestions? Thanks, Gene --0000000000009b660c05e96d43c6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'd like to find a company that sells good qualit= y copper washers of various sizes in kit form.=C2=A0 Lots of stuff on=C2=A0= Ebay, but not sure of the quality.=C2=A0 Didn't see anything on MSC Di= rect or Aircraft-Spruce or McMaster Carr in an assorted size kit, but I may= have missed something.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Any suggestions?
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=C2=A0Also looking for a good quality small but powerful= utility light that can get into tight places when working underneath a car= .=C2=A0 Corded or rechargeable battery.=C2=A0 I looked at stuff at Lowes an= d Home Depot but didn't like any of it.=C2=A0 Any suggestions?

Thanks, Gene
--0000000000009b660c05e96d43c6-- --===============8763957657701748588== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8763957657701748588==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 24 10:07:54 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AECD5A07A0 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 10:07:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f175.google.com (unknown [209.85.160.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19678A04AE for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 09:55:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qt1-f175.google.com with SMTP id ay9so1815035qtb.0 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 08:55:52 -0700 (PDT) h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=TkB7JDDuO7K5laaKe/50sxa4USzP0Cz/MdiMzE65xmo=; b=nwTx4UU0/dZdoLEvwGTpf7osu+jfNC7SCoTRZzG2bMWOqPWFJ4xqJE2nU2hCbNwAGW UEAGGao5WPEGcnIdDs6HrwZ+OYu3CcCck03/9Zdfqkhznc5LA3dWz0yezKSgB8a8x3iJ X4yowntlz8MukP4PyPuEy795O4d3i6xMRmpJIa3BPO2K6x4CILuyJTfg64ZuEW9ttn4c sXW5a4sOt4lPgqg8R/iwDHxhAavIRR9pMIycm4wuVlq1YtfjbyHlt3zGZfExVySrdUh3 mdIeu9TjUy8QfB9HZdGDs2zOLghPhPxMArMiraMr04sj5LVYzcgfkFvFZ3D6/U4jnHI+ Yufg== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date; bh=TkB7JDDuO7K5laaKe/50sxa4USzP0Cz/MdiMzE65xmo=; b=JWxx74krPrmIlcWmS0jmc9MYBsKPZN0nOd/UtxYgvxqpSMwkJLwoMa3KAipFlni09Z TgbSjBi2zEC1ebVwzlL5OW41Y0a0w6DEg7XwoEldyiZ1Jth+naYKK9EGqM9Jl2xAPK95 ivmV65udmiX8kvqh53XLpJg6XMwa60R2jc5cxtE0xVRXSmfi7AL5ZXqVHdPCV7FDTHhj UoCXLdnjh3MvE+2R6Un8F/Yh/OWaLSxK/aR3eChHzR8L8xRdzpboWExQwIwij5qbLOmb 2L1JoLxQsCaxOTbV9p82UwUKPhzZWAwTCDwFGk8gW7evjXbjUj/l+evQbpR2K7rHqcpt h8JQ== zXb2f/AtC5BaARk9/nf85dGuUh3T6dU= 12-20020ac84e8c000000b0035cf5421591mr11463941qtp.410.1664034951417; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 08:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([2607:fb90:a902:5a86:dd04:ef16:fb2e:a70e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x1-20020ac81201000000b0033b30e8e7a5sm7317483qti.58.2022.09.24.08.55.50 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 24 Sep 2022 08:55:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Parkanzky Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2022 11:55:38 -0400 References: To: Gene Abbondelo Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Where to buy copper washers & utility light Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2363374926926737687== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-492B54EB-6C0F-4F36-8C5F-DF40C3F7F792 type="text/html"; boundary=Apple-Mail-A878C5A5-E257-49C5-A2B7-6BE33DDFE570 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-A878C5A5-E257-49C5-A2B7-6BE33DDFE570 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have two of the rechargeable slim Braun l= ights and I really like them.


My only c= omplaints are that the button sticks out a mile and I=E2=80=99m constantly h= itting it accidentally when I=E2=80=99m using it. I unscrew the base a half-= turn when I throw it in my work bag to keep it from coming on inadvertently.=
My other wish is that it folded all the way over so it would pack= more easily. I used a Snap-On with a similar design that folded over onto i= tself and that was nice but I like the Braun better overall.

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On Sep 24, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Gene Abbondelo <eugene.abbondelo@gmail.= com> wrote:

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I'd like to find a company that sells g= ood quality copper washers of various sizes in kit form.  Lots of stuff= on  Ebay, but not sure of the quality.  Didn't see anything on MS= C Direct or Aircraft-Spruce or McMaster Carr in an assorted size kit, but I m= ay have missed something.     Any suggestions?
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 Also looking for a good quality small but powerful= utility light that can get into tight places when working underneath a car.=   Corded or rechargeable battery.  I looked at stuff at Lowes and H= ome Depot but didn't like any of it.  Any suggestions?

Thanks, Gene
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Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6CEA0752 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 12:36:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-h1p-028591.sys.comcast.net (unknown [96.102.200.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C68A05D4 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 12:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-h1p-027910.sys.comcast.net ([96.102.179.196]) by resqmta-h1p-028591.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id c9iSoPFMMhQF9c9tno3Pdc; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 18:29:11 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1664044151; bh=EbTpK4l/bWSplHvV0RnSSFTsOTe+ZA15OAsFaTTOIO0=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date: Message-Id; b=YeK4GPmUKysrW2QZvCLC4yh2jxG1or0gZqROzCjCmqeb63Z7o0itqW2QfzKdxBaNV 9cWAbK/ooAJEca2aZcWo/87So5q5qzF1x9+ctoMAhl7+xsRDN5plqJy1JVtVR+6HH4 66lqVLA7FzVA7kGM3ujDkGVTqxutk/tO4TCJ28LQrif/qU/SWTAbVK0EO+W9Z/SdfH IAK80xIdRB59Egp+F0foZrZUEM+iqWm7NDlRag1/OzzrLUDFuME2dT9VgJV2+V282v 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I have two so that I can recharge one while using the other. It = is light, relatively powerfulI, rugged, and inexpensive. I bought it to = use in the garage, but now use it in many applications. All in all, it's = The best utility light I=E2=80=99ve ever had. My only complaint is that = it is so unobtrusive that it=E2=80=99s easy to forget to remove it at = the conclusion of a job. Best, Bob > On Sep 24, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Paul Parkanzky = wrote: >=20 > I have two of the rechargeable slim Braun lights and I really like = them. >=20 > <56329_W3.jpg> > 390 Lumen Magnetic Slim Bar Folding Work Light > harborfreight.com > = 390 Lumen Magnetic Slim Bar Folding Work Light = > harborfreight.com = >=20 > They=E2=80=99ve taken a heck of a beating and held up. All my friends = that have come and used them end up buying one or two. >=20 > My only complaints are that the button sticks out a mile and I=E2=80=99m= constantly hitting it accidentally when I=E2=80=99m using it. I unscrew = the base a half-turn when I throw it in my work bag to keep it from = coming on inadvertently. > My other wish is that it folded all the way over so it would pack more = easily. I used a Snap-On with a similar design that folded over onto = itself and that was nice but I like the Braun better overall. >=20 > -Paul >=20 >> On Sep 24, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Gene Abbondelo = wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BF >> I'd like to find a company that sells good quality copper washers of = various sizes in kit form. Lots of stuff on Ebay, but not sure of the = quality. Didn't see anything on MSC Direct or Aircraft-Spruce or = McMaster Carr in an assorted size kit, but I may have missed something. = Any suggestions? >>=20 >> Also looking for a good quality small but powerful utility light = that can get into tight places when working underneath a car. Corded or = rechargeable battery. I looked at stuff at Lowes and Home Depot but = didn't like any of it. Any suggestions? >>=20 >> Thanks, Gene >> _________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin@comcast.net >=20 --Apple-Mail=_7416F1AA-42E4-41BF-B003-DC9378C0B1ED Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I = second Paul=E2=80=99s recommendation of the Braun Light.  I have = two so that I can recharge one while using the other. It is light, = relatively powerfulI, rugged, and inexpensive.  I bought it to use = in the garage, but now use it in many applications. All in all, it's The = best utility light I=E2=80=99ve ever had. My only complaint is that it = is so unobtrusive  that it=E2=80=99s easy to forget to remove it at = the conclusion of a job.
Best,
Bob

On Sep 24, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky@gmail.com>= wrote:

I have two of the rechargeable = slim Braun lights and I really like them.

<56329_W3.jpg>
390 Lumen Magnetic Slim = Bar Folding Work Light
harborfreight.com

They=E2=80=99ve taken a heck of a beating and held up. = All my friends that have come and used them end up buying one or = two.

My only = complaints are that the button sticks out a mile and I=E2=80=99m = constantly hitting it accidentally when I=E2=80=99m using it. I unscrew = the base a half-turn when I throw it in my work bag to keep it from = coming on inadvertently.
My other wish is that it = folded all the way over so it would pack more easily. I used a Snap-On = with a similar design that folded over onto itself and that was nice but = I like the Braun better overall.

-Paul

On Sep 24, 2022, at = 11:06 AM, Gene Abbondelo <eugene.abbondelo@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
I'd like to find a company that sells good quality copper = washers of various sizes in kit form.  Lots of stuff on  Ebay, = but not sure of the quality.  Didn't see anything on MSC Direct or = Aircraft-Spruce or McMaster Carr in an assorted size kit, but I may have = missed something.     Any suggestions?

 Also looking for a good quality small but powerful = utility light that can get into tight places when working underneath a = car.  Corded or rechargeable battery.  I looked at stuff at = Lowes and Home Depot but didn't like any of it.  Any = suggestions?

Thanks, Gene
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https://www.harborfreight.com/80-piece-copper-washer-assortment-67526.html

Quality? They're copper.

For working on cars, I prefer a headlamp (because I don't have three arms):

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-headlamp/



On 9/24/2022 11:28 AM, Rochlin Robert wrote:
I second Paul’s recommendation of the Braun Light.  I have two so that I can recharge one while using the other. It is light, relatively powerfulI, rugged, and inexpensive.  I bought it to use in the garage, but now use it in many applications. All in all, it's The best utility light I’ve ever had. My only complaint is that it is so unobtrusive  that it’s easy to forget to remove it at the conclusion of a job.
Best,
Bob

On Sep 24, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky@gmail.com> wrote:

I have two of the rechargeable slim Braun lights and I really like them.


My only complaints are that the button sticks out a mile and I’m constantly hitting it accidentally when I’m using it. I unscrew the base a half-turn when I throw it in my work bag to keep it from coming on inadvertently.
My other wish is that it folded all the way over so it would pack more easily. I used a Snap-On with a similar design that folded over onto itself and that was nice but I like the Braun better overall.

-Paul

On Sep 24, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Gene Abbondelo <eugene.abbondelo@gmail.com> wrote:


I'd like to find a company that sells good quality copper washers of various sizes in kit form.  Lots of stuff on  Ebay, but not sure of the quality.  Didn't see anything on MSC Direct or Aircraft-Spruce or McMaster Carr in an assorted size kit, but I may have missed something.     Any suggestions?

 Also looking for a good quality small but powerful utility light that can get into tight places when working underneath a car.  Corded or rechargeable battery.  I looked at stuff at Lowes and Home Depot but didn't like any of it.  Any suggestions?

Thanks, Gene


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Headlamp vs two or three magnetic/hook utility lights. Let the argument begin...;) John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 25 13:01:10 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC484A0381 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2022 13:01:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ua1-f45.google.com (unknown [209.85.222.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDC4A0501 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:54:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ua1-f45.google.com with SMTP id e1so1757698uaa.1 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:55:03 -0700 (PDT) h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=gT2jwi/JMzf6CumLqQQEo7IR9JokkDZe5DQe/4C0h7Y=; b=BxrZEpIGcWW3aWKRDLJ4WqjlCriv+4s4bkT3mZwUnaRYXfgrAAo3ZTLAnQjh29poTy TwQfIv1woUJ04o3KBPXGC2MthohW56PLL70XVuGlwW3AcL+ywSthNq29lZP8l4nWElhJ Epb+wltgBOYhAJbP5a8qm65NOE+J5SPt4gcSdzE88AKQ+n73dwHJiqAUFbyo71Nr5sjp SNzry3NgXzC6lGGJkt8KuI+UgKjtoQ9HWZ+Kuxd9f6ynt7HP+TyehAKb2chXX7M6Q8Ma 72+wZwMcfR5Moa8qecKDOQMdbNU0puUsQGoj6hxTFwpOBrmE84VI+tU6qFWbc3/0/ZVe QsAA== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=gT2jwi/JMzf6CumLqQQEo7IR9JokkDZe5DQe/4C0h7Y=; b=REQ6ioNG03gDJsQMmxiT8y724SkO3ctlQb/hq8aReAROsWCc8Tp8qPYD5JoZt+KC1q TPce+nof2pEE0KLtfHK+2frV0mUPPFLoEpz7ZpicSWiOZ457yV4rZL+o4t4ulT9yU2zz gR6ents2Ksv8XauII+we/ibfcUtRDv7ihiLQ462jEWvkqNLlWlTmcIfBgPxt2xwuU7Er 27Bncs/poSJId+SsJk3K37m4/nnJHie2uyP8s6PblCdNsWncX1BWL1wcsRwuR3S7b5uu NNzh+mvfEVXnQsqXqdCVCeAT6O2PiO1FvAQwRQaO08lHNonf6ZDjxrrbaIFNx7nNl3la 2gcg== b4xXEAp7oWZl/ykHPbSP9scKdoxNjNWrQYhfzl6aXw70 s17-20020ab05711000000b003b513e023b4mr7372778uaa.101.1664132102954; Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:55:02 -0700 (PDT) References: <4F1151BE-B499-430F-8FA1-2EFB58A96B9D@gmail.com> <90685427-583D-4A69-A6B6-B7A23633BF0B@comcast.net> From: old dirtbeard Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:54:49 -0700 To: John Miller Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Where to buy copper washers & utility light Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5382092917135834492== --000000000000db233005e984f2be Hi John Yes, I agree. Headlamps free-up one hand and almost always focus the beam exactly where you are looking, which are great assets. I never used them up until about a year ago (my wife bought me a couple of them) and probably would not have tried them if she had not bought them, but they are so much better than only using a trouble light or a flashlight, etc. Maybe they look a little goofy, but they certainly work well... best, doug On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 11:48 AM John Miller wrote: > > For working on cars, I prefer a headlamp (because I don't have three > arms): > > > > https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-headlamp/ > > > > Bar fight time! > > Headlamp vs two or three magnetic/hook utility lights. > > Let the argument begin...;) > > John. > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com > > --000000000000db233005e984f2be Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi John

Yes, I agree. Headlamps free-up= one hand and almost always focus the beam exactly where you are looking, w= hich are great assets.

I never used them up until = about a year ago (my wife bought me a couple of them) and probably would no= t have tried them if she had not bought them, but they are so much better t= han only using a trouble=C2=A0light or a flashlight, etc.

Maybe they look a little goofy, but they certainly work well...

best,
doug

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 11:= 48 AM John Miller <jem@milleredp.co= m> wrote:
> For working on cars, I prefer a headlamp (because I don't have th= ree arms):
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/rev= iews/best-headlamp/
>

Bar fight time!

Headlamp vs two or three magnetic/hook utility lights.

Let the argument begin...;)

John.

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My take is this: in the garage I'm gonna saturate the zone with light. It's gonna be multiple utility lights if I can manage it. The battery LED stuff is good enough now that I rarely unroll a cord. It'd never occurred to me until this discussion that I ought to have at least a headlight in my travel tool kit. 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The =E2=80=98just the light=E2=80=99 is currently on sale (at = least for Inside Track members) for $22. The great thing about them is that the take the ubiquitous 18650 lithium = ion battery. There are multiple vendors from which you can order better = batteries and a charger if you are so inclined. That way you (a) always = have charged batteries on hand and (b) you may already have stuff that = uses that battery anyway. I=E2=80=99d previously sprung for the = Panasonic 3450mAH batteries for my other devices and am astounded at the = battery life when used with these lights. Definitely in the =E2=80=98multi= ple hours of bright light=E2=80=99 category. The not so great thing, at least for me, is that they roll around unless = you happen to be lighting up something where the light bar can be folded = enough to keep it from rolling and it happens to shine were you need it = in that configuration. The magnet on the bottom of the light works well for attaching to a = metal surface. To address the =E2=80=9CI want it to stand it up on my = wooden work bench:, I looked in the junk box for a galvanized electrical = cover plate and problem solved. It happened to be a rectangular plate so = the =E2=80=98rolling around=E2=80=99 was also solved for most use cases. Now if I could just fine a 18650 head lamp that wasn=E2=80=99t bulky and = make me look like a SciFi monster I=E2=80=99d be home free!! > On Sep 25, 2022, at 1:54 PM, old dirtbeard = wrote: >=20 > Hi John >=20 > Yes, I agree. Headlamps free-up one hand and almost always focus the = beam exactly where you are looking, which are great assets. >=20 > I never used them up until about a year ago (my wife bought me a = couple of them) and probably would not have tried them if she had not = bought them, but they are so much better than only using a trouble light = or a flashlight, etc. >=20 > Maybe they look a little goofy, but they certainly work well... >=20 > best, > doug --Apple-Mail=_3D156219-8D25-4544-B916-FA1623266066 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 And = a third for the Braun light. 

They sell two versions =E2=80=A6 just = the light ... https://www.harborfreight.com/390-lumen-magnetic-slim-bar-foldi= ng-work-light-56329.html =E2=80=A6 and a kit with several = different LED heads =E2=80=A6 https://www.harborfreight.com/421-lumen-3-in-1-quick-connect-li= ght-kit-56200.html. The =E2=80=98just the light=E2=80=99 is = currently on sale (at least for Inside Track members) for $22.

The great thing about = them is that the take the ubiquitous 18650 lithium ion battery. There = are multiple vendors from which you can order better batteries and a = charger if you are so inclined. That way you (a) always have charged = batteries on hand and (b) you may already have stuff that uses that = battery anyway. I=E2=80=99d previously sprung for the Panasonic 3450mAH = batteries for my other devices and am astounded at the battery life when = used with these lights. Definitely in the =E2=80=98multiple hours of = bright light=E2=80=99 category.

The not so great thing, at least for = me, is that they roll around unless you happen to be lighting up = something where the light bar can be folded enough to keep it from = rolling and it happens to shine were you need it in that = configuration.

The magnet on the bottom of the light works well for = attaching to a metal surface. To address the =E2=80=9CI want it to stand = it up on my wooden work bench:, I looked in the junk box for a = galvanized electrical cover plate and problem solved. It happened to be = a rectangular plate so the =E2=80=98rolling around=E2=80=99 was also = solved for most use cases.

Now if I could just fine a 18650 head lamp that wasn=E2=80=99t = bulky and make me look like a SciFi monster I=E2=80=99d be home = free!!

On Sep 25, 2022, at 1:54 PM, old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com>= wrote:

Hi John

Yes, I agree. Headlamps free-up one = hand and almost always focus the beam exactly where you are looking, = which are great assets.

I never used them up until about a year ago (my wife bought = me a couple of them) and probably would not have tried them if she had = not bought them, but they are so much better than only using a = trouble light or a flashlight, etc.

Maybe they look a little goofy, but = they certainly work well...

best,
doug

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COAST=C2=AE HL5 175 Lumen Utility LED Headlamp= with Hinged Beam Adjustment and Hard Hat Compatibility, black https://a.co/d/hQ3Lwhi I also have a couple of rechargeable work lights, for fill-in. But the headlamp works best for me. On Sun, Sep 25, 2022, 14:54 John Miller wrote: > > For working on cars, I prefer a headlamp (because I don't have three > arms): > > > > https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-headlamp/ > > > > Bar fight time! > > Headlamp vs two or three magnetic/hook utility lights. > > Let the argument begin...;) > > John. > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > --00000000000092376705e99246af Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is the headlamp I use:. COAST=C2=AE HL5 175 Lumen Ut= ility LED Headlamp with Hinged Beam Adjustment and Hard Hat Compatibility, = black https://a.co/d/hQ3Lwhi

I also have a couple of rechargeable = work lights, for fill-in.=C2=A0 But the headlamp works best for me.

On= Sun, Sep 25, 2022, 14:54 John Miller <jem@milleredp.com> wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/wir= ecutter/reviews/best-headlamp/
>

Bar fight time!

Headlamp vs two or three magnetic/hook utility lights.

Let the argument begin...;)

John.

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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8945217314719311645== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00767D92852588CA_= Rkg, There are a few options. If you only have a few pallets worth of items, go out and buy some "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.) Look in the local craigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool cover (should be easy this time of year.) They are large plastic blankets of bubble wrap. Also, you'll find a TON of people giving away pallets. Load the items on a pallet and bolt it to the pallet. Then wrap in the bubble wrap, then the pallet wrapping. Once done, have a list of all the items/pallets with dimensions. If you know the weight, that is much better. Then, contact a shipping company near you and tell them you have X many pallets that need to be shipped. You may have enough for a full truck (best bet.) If not, you are a 'ltt' (less than truckload.) this just means you'll pay more. Let them know you need a lift gate. IF you have a good paved driveway, they can use the pallet jack to load them. If not, you may have to rent a forklift, or have a buddy with a tractor and forks come over on the pick up day. Then you'll have to make arrangements on the other end. If you have a paved driveway there, it might not be too bad. That is NOT the ideal way, but it will work. IF you have LOTS of stuff, going to a single location, here is the best way to do it. Find a shipping company that will drop off a 'intermodal container' (the standard shipping container.) You'll have to decide if you need a 20' or 40'. They will drop it off for you to load on your own. You don't need pallets, just pack the stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge things together. This is also a good time to find people getting rid of mattresses and you can put them in between items. You load the container up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and drop it off for you to unload at the other side. They normally charge a fee for the 'rental' time of the unit, so plan well and be ready to load it and unload it right away. If you are in NJ, let me know, I can easily help you with this. Moose From: Richard George To: shop-talk Date: 09/27/2022 05:15 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help? Sent by: "Shop-talk" Hi, I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff (tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off. I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned (would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a few banker boxes, etc I think). I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes individually. The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that. I don't have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping (they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc). In addition, while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment, etc. And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6 hood omitted)). So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this. Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc? Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...? Thanks in advance, rkg (Richard George) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com --=_alternative 00767D92852588CA_= Rkg,

There are a few options.  If you only have a few pallets worth of items, go out and buy some "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.)

Look in the local craigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool cover (should be easy this time of year.)  They are large plastic blankets of bubble wrap.  Also, you'll find a TON of people giving away pallets.

Load the items on a pallet and bolt it to the pallet.  Then wrap in the bubble wrap, then the pallet wrapping.  

Once done, have a list of all the items/pallets with dimensions.  If you know the weight, that is much better.

Then, contact a shipping company near you and tell them you have X many pallets that need to be shipped.  You may have enough for a full truck (best bet.)  If not, you are a 'ltt'  (less than truckload.) this just means you'll pay more.

Let them know you need a lift gate.  IF you have a good paved driveway, they can use the pallet jack to load them.  If not, you may have to rent a forklift, or have a buddy with a tractor and forks come over on the pick up day.
Then you'll have to make arrangements on the other end.  If you have a paved driveway there, it might not be too bad.
That is NOT the ideal way, but it will work.

IF you have LOTS of stuff, going to a single location, here is the best way to do it.

Find a shipping company that will drop off a 'intermodal container' (the standard shipping container.)  You'll have to decide if you need a 20' or 40'.

They will drop it off for you to load on your own.  You don't need pallets, just pack the stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge things together.  This is also a good time to find people getting rid of mattresses and you can put them in between items.

You load the container up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and drop it off for you to unload at the other side.  They normally charge a fee for the 'rental' time of the unit, so plan well and be ready to load it and unload it right away.

If you are in NJ, let me know, I can easily help you with this.

Moose




From:        Richard George <rkg@teleport.com>
To:        shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:        09/27/2022 05:15 PM
Subject:        [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>



Hi,

I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff
(tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off. 
I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at
a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident
they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned
(would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a
few banker boxes, etc I think).

I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a
lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the
auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes
individually.  The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that.  I don't
have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping
(they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no
pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I
think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc).  In addition,
while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't
ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that
the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment,
etc.  And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on
the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the
companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract
additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual
delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6
hood omitted)).

So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.

Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered
that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc? 
Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?

Thanks in advance,

rkg

(Richard George)

_______________________________________________

Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive

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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1332150831380172832== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_MW2PR07MB3978CE67E47C00C443CAD819BB559MW2PR07MB3978namp_" --_000_MW2PR07MB3978CE67E47C00C443CAD819BB559MW2PR07MB3978namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To follow up on Eric's comments, look into PODS https://www.pods.com/ If the stuff isn't big and heavy and packs well into boxes, this could be t= he way to go. Load the POD at the location and let them bring it to the Auc= tion House. No pallets or strapping needed. Brian Nampa, ID ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of eric@megage= ek.com Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 3:34 PM To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped.= .. help? Rkg, There are a few options. If you only have a few pallets worth of items, go= out and buy some "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.) Look in the local craigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool cover = (should be easy this time of year.) They are large plastic blankets of bub= ble wrap. Also, you'll find a TON of people giving away pallets. Load the items on a pallet and bolt it to the pallet. Then wrap in the bub= ble wrap, then the pallet wrapping. Once done, have a list of all the items/pallets with dimensions. If you kn= ow the weight, that is much better. Then, contact a shipping company near you and tell them you have X many pal= lets that need to be shipped. You may have enough for a full truck (best b= et.) If not, you are a 'ltt' (less than truckload.) this just means you'l= l pay more. Let them know you need a lift gate. IF you have a good paved driveway, the= y can use the pallet jack to load them. If not, you may have to rent a for= klift, or have a buddy with a tractor and forks come over on the pick up da= y. Then you'll have to make arrangements on the other end. If you have a pave= d driveway there, it might not be too bad. That is NOT the ideal way, but it will work. IF you have LOTS of stuff, going to a single location, here is the best way= to do it. Find a shipping company that will drop off a 'intermodal container' (the st= andard shipping container.) You'll have to decide if you need a 20' or 40'= . They will drop it off for you to load on your own. You don't need pallets,= just pack the stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge things together. = This is also a good time to find people getting rid of mattresses and you c= an put them in between items. You load the container up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and drop i= t off for you to unload at the other side. They normally charge a fee for = the 'rental' time of the unit, so plan well and be ready to load it and unl= oad it right away. If you are in NJ, let me know, I can easily help you with this. Moose From: Richard George To: shop-talk Date: 09/27/2022 05:15 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipp= ed... help? Sent by: "Shop-talk" ________________________________ Hi, I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff (tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off. I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned (would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a few banker boxes, etc I think). I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes individually. The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that. I don't have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping (they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc). In addition, while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment, etc. And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6 hood omitted)). So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this. Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc? Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...? Thanks in advance, rkg (Richard George) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive gageek.com --_000_MW2PR07MB3978CE67E47C00C443CAD819BB559MW2PR07MB3978namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To follow up on Eric's comments, look into PODS

https://www.pods.com/

If the stuff isn't big and heavy and packs well into boxes, this could be t= he way to go. Load the POD at the location and let them bring it to the Auc= tion House. No pallets or strapping needed.

Brian
Nampa, ID
From: Shop-talk <shop-= talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of eric@megageek.com <eric@meg= ageek.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 3:34 PM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets s= hipped... help?
 
Rkg,
There are a few opti= ons.  If you only have a few pallets worth of items, go out and buy so= me "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.)

Look in the local cr= aigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool cover (should be easy this= time of year.)  They are large plastic blankets of bubble wrap.  = ;Also, you'll find a TON of people giving away pallets.

Load the items on a = pallet and bolt it to the pallet.  Then wrap in the bubble wrap, then = the pallet wrapping.  

Once done, have a li= st of all the items/pallets with dimensions.  If you know the weight, = that is much better.

Then, contact a ship= ping company near you and tell them you have X many pallets that need to be= shipped.  You may have enough for a full truck (best bet.)  If n= ot, you are a 'ltt'  (less than truckload.) this just means you'll pay more.

Let them know you ne= ed a lift gate.  IF you have a good paved driveway, they can use the p= allet jack to load them.  If not, you may have to rent a forklift, or = have a buddy with a tractor and forks come over on the pick up day.
Then you'll have to = make arrangements on the other end.  If you have a paved driveway ther= e, it might not be too bad.
That is NOT the idea= l way, but it will work.

IF you have LOTS of = stuff, going to a single location, here is the best way to do it.

Find a shipping comp= any that will drop off a 'intermodal container' (the standard shipping cont= ainer.)  You'll have to decide if you need a 20' or 40'.

They will drop it of= f for you to load on your own.  You don't need pallets, just pack the = stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge things together.  This is al= so a good time to find people getting rid of mattresses and you can put them in between items.

You load the contain= er up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and drop it off for you to unl= oad at the other side.  They normally charge a fee for the 'rental' ti= me of the unit, so plan well and be ready to load it and unload it right away.

If you are in NJ, le= t me know, I can easily help you with this.

Moose




From: =        Richard George <rkg@teleport.com>
To: &n= bsp;      shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date: =        09/27/2022 05:15 PM
Subjec= t:        [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipp= ed... help?
Sent b= y:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net&= gt;



Hi,

I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff
(tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off.&nbs= p;
I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident
they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisio= ned
(would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a
few banker boxes, etc I think).

I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the
auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes
individually.  The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that.  I = don't
have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping
(they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I
think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc).  In addition, while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment, etc.  And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (= on
the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the
companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract
additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual
delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6
hood omitted)).

So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.

Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc?&nbs= p;
Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?=

Thanks in advance,

rkg

(Richard George)

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8451592165760171280==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 27 17:46:42 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448CDA0C31 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2022 17:46:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17281301.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B693AA0C12 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2022 17:14:22 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1664320471; bh=4HX1WamBKl+9a+aPQH6CMAxYdRPS8ypUWPYX/R8CcJI=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=tBTTyfo8G81e449AuXmNsEKK4A7mJUaafC7VlGGvFSRALOy5iwi7kop0SzH62p07q NXbDJmEEI++F2SCPMkfKs++EKB8vOBTOKGgSpRL+3op6vfKac9fBEX21TLjWCFYsqy 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Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1248539461308549528== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-9C1EC11B-E9DA-43B7-A015-D3F9780704AD charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good idea, Eric.=20 There are also 10=E2=80=99 containers but I=E2=80=99ve only seen a few of th= em. If a 20=E2=80=99 is overkill it wouldn=E2=80=99t hurt to see if one is a= vailable.=20 Also, if you need more space than will fit in a standard container, there ar= e taller ones called high cube.=20 Peace,=20 Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 27, 2022, at 5:28 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: =EF=BB=BFRkg,=20 There are a few options. If you only have a few pallets worth of items, go o= ut and buy some "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.)=20 Look in the local craigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool cover (= should be easy this time of year.) They are large plastic blankets of bubbl= e wrap. Also, you'll find a TON of people giving away pallets.=20 Load the items on a pallet and bolt it to the pallet. Then wrap in the bubb= le wrap, then the pallet wrapping. =20 Once done, have a list of all the items/pallets with dimensions. If you kno= w the weight, that is much better.=20 Then, contact a shipping company near you and tell them you have X many pall= ets that need to be shipped. You may have enough for a full truck (best bet= .) If not, you are a 'ltt' (less than truckload.) this just means you'll p= ay more.=20 Let them know you need a lift gate. IF you have a good paved driveway, they= can use the pallet jack to load them. If not, you may have to rent a forkl= ift, or have a buddy with a tractor and forks come over on the pick up day.=20= Then you'll have to make arrangements on the other end. If you have a paved= driveway there, it might not be too bad.=20 That is NOT the ideal way, but it will work.=20 IF you have LOTS of stuff, going to a single location, here is the best way t= o do it.=20 Find a shipping company that will drop off a 'intermodal container' (the sta= ndard shipping container.) You'll have to decide if you need a 20' or 40'.=20= They will drop it off for you to load on your own. You don't need pallets, j= ust pack the stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge things together. Thi= s is also a good time to find people getting rid of mattresses and you can p= ut them in between items.=20 You load the container up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and drop it= off for you to unload at the other side. They normally charge a fee for th= e 'rental' time of the unit, so plan well and be ready to load it and unload= it right away.=20 If you are in NJ, let me know, I can easily help you with this.=20 Moose=20 From: Richard George =20 To: shop-talk =20 Date: 09/27/2022 05:15 PM=20 Subject: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shippe= d... help?=20 Sent by: "Shop-talk" =20 Hi, I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff=20 (tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off. =20 I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at=20 a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident=20 they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned=20 (would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a=20 few banker boxes, etc I think). I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a=20 lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the=20 auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes=20 individually. The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that. I don't=20 have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping=20 (they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no=20 pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I=20 think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc). In addition,=20 while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't=20 ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that=20 the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment,=20 etc. And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on=20 the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the=20 companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract=20 additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual=20 delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6=20 hood omitted)). So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this. Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered=20 that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc? =20 Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...? Thanks in advance, rkg (Richard George) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve ageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-9C1EC11B-E9DA-43B7-A015-D3F9780704AD charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good idea, Eric. 

T= here are also 10=E2=80=99 containers but I=E2=80=99ve only seen a few of the= m. If a 20=E2=80=99 is overkill it wouldn=E2=80=99t hurt to see if one is av= ailable. 

Also, if you need more space than will fit= in a standard container, there are taller ones called high cube. 
<= div>
Peace, 
Pat

Pat Ho= rne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Sep 27, 2022, at 5:28 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:
=EF=BB=BFRkg,

There are a few options.  If you only have a few pallets worth of items, go out and buy some "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.)

Look in the local= craigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool cover (should be easy this time of year.)  They are large plastic blankets of bubble wrap.  Also, you'll find a TON of people giving away pallets.

Load the items on a pallet and bolt it to the pallet.  Then wrap in the bubble wrap, then the pallet wrapping.  

Once done, have a list of all the items/pallets with dimensions.  If you know the weight, that is much better.

Then, contact a shipping company near you and tell them you have X many pallets that need to be shipped.  You may have enough for a full truck (best bet.)  If not, you are a 'ltt'  (less than truckload.) this just means you'll pay more.

Let them know you need a lift gate.  IF you have a good paved driveway, they can use the pallet jack to load them.  If not, you may have to rent a forklift, or have a buddy with a tractor and forks come over on the pick up day.
Then you'll have to make arrangements on the other end.  If you have a paved driveway there, it might not be too bad.
That is NOT the ideal way, but it will work.

IF you have LOTS of stuff, going to a single location, here is the best way to do it.

Find a shipping company that will drop off a 'intermodal container' (the standard shipping container.)  You'll have to decide if you need a 20' or 40'.

They will drop it off for you to load on your own.  You don't need pallets, just pack the stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge things together.  Th= is is also a good time to find people getting rid of mattresses and you can put them in between items.

You load the cont= ainer up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and drop it off for you to unload at the other side.  They normally charge a fee for the 'rental' time of the unit, so plan well and be ready to load it and unload it right away.<= /span>

If you are in NJ, let me know, I can easily help you with this.

Moose




From:=        Richard George <rkg@teleport.com>
To:        shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date= :        09/27/2022 05:15 PM
Subj= ect:        [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?
Sent= by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>



Hi,

I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff
(tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off. = ;
I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at
a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident
they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned
(would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a
few banker boxes, etc I think).

I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a
lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the
auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes
individually.  The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that.  I don't
have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping
(they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no
pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I
think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc).  In addition,
while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't
ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that
the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment,
etc.  And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on
the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the
companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract
additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual
delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6
hood omitted)).

So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.

Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered
that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc? = ;
Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?

Thanks in advance,

rkg

(Richard George)

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Present conditions (shop = electrical, all recently installed by certified = electrician):

I have a 220V/1phase = 20A per leg circuit going to a small davit crane mounted =

on the top if my office, inside my = shop.  Used occasionally to lift light loads for = storage.

Desire:  convert an = adjacent 110V 15A quadplex outlets box to one duplex outlet =

remaining 15A while splitting the = remaining duplex outlet to 2ea outlets, 20A each.

In other words, splitting power off the 220V/20A = circuit into 2 individual outlets,

110V/20A (utilizing sides A and B from the 220V = source).

Here’s the other = situation, I want to insert a rotary switch A-OFF-B to switch between =

Using ONLY the 220V circuit OR the = 110V circuits.

Anyone have = recommendations as to a recommended rotary chang over = switch?

 

Does this make sense?  I’m sorry I’m = not familiar with the correct terminology here, but

I hope I’m making some sense.

 

Steve = Hammatt

Mount Vernon WA = USA

LeatherPlates.com

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[107.221.86.73]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c34-20020a023b22000000b0035b1b597290sm1247765jaa.162.2022.09.27.18.44.18 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 27 Sep 2022 18:44:19 -0700 (PDT) From: David Scheidt Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 20:44:18 -0500 References: <000001d8d2c6$fb48cf00$f1da6d00$@hammatt.com> To: gsteve@hammatt.com Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fiddlin' with the wiring..... Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0877343908459418620== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-05740F1A-7AA5-4C37-BEB1-B30D22C72F94 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Sep 27, 2022, at 19:12, gsteve@hammatt.com wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Present conditions (shop electrical, all recently installed by certified e= lectrician): > I have a 220V/1phase 20A per leg circuit going to a small davit crane moun= ted > on the top if my office, inside my shop. Used occasionally to lift light l= oads for storage. > Desire: convert an adjacent 110V 15A quadplex outlets box to one duplex o= utlet > remaining 15A while splitting the remaining duplex outlet to 2ea outlets, 2= 0A each. > In other words, splitting power off the 220V/20A circuit into 2 individual= outlets, > 110V/20A (utilizing sides A and B from the 220V source). > Here=E2=80=99s the other situation, I want to insert a rotary switch A-OFF= -B to switch between > Using ONLY the 220V circuit OR the 110V circuits. > Anyone have recommendations as to a recommended rotary chang over switch? > =20 > Does this make sense? I=E2=80=99m sorry I=E2=80=99m not familiar with the= correct terminology here, but > I hope I=E2=80=99m making some sense. > =20 I understand what you want to do. I have no idea why you want to. Assuming= you have a three wire (plus ground, but I=E2=80=99ll ignore ground) circuit= to your crqne, you simply extend it to your other box. Break the tab on the= hot side of the outlet, land one leg to each hot screw, neutral to the othe= r side. Done. The breaker will take care of overload, it will trip both leg= s, even if only one is overloaded.=20 Th=C3=A9 problem you are likely to have is you have no neutral at your crane= , because most motor loads don=E2=80=99t need one. If you have conduit, add= ing one is possible and maybe easy. If you don=E2=80=99t, you need to pull a= new circuit. In that cas probably don=E2=80=99t need to share with the cra= ne.=20 > Steve Hammatt > Mount Vernon WA USA > LeatherPlates.com > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dmsche= idt@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-05740F1A-7AA5-4C37-BEB1-B30D22C72F94 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sep 27, 2022, at 19= :12, gsteve@hammatt.com wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

Present conditions (shop electrical, all recently installed by cert= ified electrician):

I have a 220V/1phas= e 20A per leg circuit going to a small davit crane mounted

on the top if my office, inside my shop.  Used occ= asionally to lift light loads for storage.

Desire:  convert an adjacent 110V 15A quadplex outlets box to one d= uplex outlet

remaining 15A while split= ting the remaining duplex outlet to 2ea outlets, 20A each.

In other words, splitting power off the 220V/20A circui= t into 2 individual outlets,

110V/20A (= utilizing sides A and B from the 220V source).

Here=E2=80=99s the other situation, I want to insert a rotary switch= A-OFF-B to switch between

Using ONLY t= he 220V circuit OR the 110V circuits.

A= nyone have recommendations as to a recommended rotary chang over switch?

 

Does this make sense?  I=E2=80=99m sorry I=E2=80=99m not familiar wit= h the correct terminology here, but

I h= ope I=E2=80=99m making some sense.

 


I understand what y= ou want to do. I have no idea why you want to.   Assuming you have a th= ree wire (plus ground, but I=E2=80=99ll ignore ground) circuit to your crqne= , you simply extend it to your other box. Break the tab on the hot side of t= he outlet, land one leg to each hot screw, neutral to the other side.  = Done. The breaker will take care of overload, it will trip both legs, even i= f only one is overloaded. 

Th=C3=A9 problem you are l= ikely to have is you have no neutral at your crane, because most motor loads= don=E2=80=99t need one.  If you have conduit, adding one is possible a= nd maybe easy. If you don=E2=80=99t, you need to pull a new circuit.  I= n that cas probably don=E2=80=99t need to share with the crane. 



Steve Hammatt

Mount Vernon WA USA

LeatherPlates.com<= /o:p>

 

=  

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To: "Shop Talk" Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help? 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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8338574723073592149== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_DM5PR14MB12748B66B8A95158130A111DB4549DM5PR14MB1274namp_" --_000_DM5PR14MB12748B66B8A95158130A111DB4549DM5PR14MB1274namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One of my daughters used a PODS to move cross country to her first church (= she is a Lutheran Pastor). She found out the hard way that they don't guara= ntee water tight and will not cover damage due to this. ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Brian and W= endy Warrick Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 5:49 PM To: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped.= .. help? To follow up on Eric's comments, look into PODS https://www.pods.com/ If the stuff isn't big and heavy and packs well into boxes, this could be t= he way to go. Load the POD at the location and let them bring it to the Auc= tion House. No pallets or strapping needed. Brian Nampa, ID ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of eric@megage= ek.com Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 3:34 PM To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped.= .. help? Rkg, There are a few options. If you only have a few pallets worth of items, go= out and buy some "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.) Look in the local craigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool cover = (should be easy this time of year.) They are large plastic blankets of bub= ble wrap. Also, you'll find a TON of people giving away pallets. Load the items on a pallet and bolt it to the pallet. Then wrap in the bub= ble wrap, then the pallet wrapping. Once done, have a list of all the items/pallets with dimensions. If you kn= ow the weight, that is much better. Then, contact a shipping company near you and tell them you have X many pal= lets that need to be shipped. You may have enough for a full truck (best b= et.) If not, you are a 'ltt' (less than truckload.) this just means you'l= l pay more. Let them know you need a lift gate. IF you have a good paved driveway, the= y can use the pallet jack to load them. If not, you may have to rent a for= klift, or have a buddy with a tractor and forks come over on the pick up da= y. Then you'll have to make arrangements on the other end. If you have a pave= d driveway there, it might not be too bad. That is NOT the ideal way, but it will work. IF you have LOTS of stuff, going to a single location, here is the best way= to do it. Find a shipping company that will drop off a 'intermodal container' (the st= andard shipping container.) You'll have to decide if you need a 20' or 40'= . They will drop it off for you to load on your own. You don't need pallets,= just pack the stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge things together. = This is also a good time to find people getting rid of mattresses and you c= an put them in between items. You load the container up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and drop i= t off for you to unload at the other side. They normally charge a fee for = the 'rental' time of the unit, so plan well and be ready to load it and unl= oad it right away. If you are in NJ, let me know, I can easily help you with this. Moose From: Richard George To: shop-talk Date: 09/27/2022 05:15 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipp= ed... help? Sent by: "Shop-talk" ________________________________ Hi, I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff (tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off. I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned (would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a few banker boxes, etc I think). I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes individually. The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that. I don't have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping (they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc). In addition, while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment, etc. And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6 hood omitted)). So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this. Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc? Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...? Thanks in advance, rkg (Richard George) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive gageek.com --_000_DM5PR14MB12748B66B8A95158130A111DB4549DM5PR14MB1274namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One of my daughters used a PODS to move cross country to her first church (= she is a Lutheran Pastor). She found out the hard way that they don't guara= ntee water tight and will not cover damage due to this. 
From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Brian and Wendy Warrick <mayn= erdfamily@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 5:49 PM
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets s= hipped... help?
 

To follow up on Eric's comments, look into PODS

https://www.pods.com/

If the stuff isn't big and heavy and packs well into boxes, this could be t= he way to go. Load the POD at the location and let them bring it to the Auc= tion House. No pallets or strapping needed.

Brian
Nampa, ID
From: Shop-talk <sho= p-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of eric@megageek.com <eric@m= egageek.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 3:34 PM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets s= hipped... help?
 
Rkg,
There are a few opti= ons.  If you only have a few pallets worth of items, go out and buy so= me "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.)

Look in the local cr= aigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool cover (should be easy this= time of year.)  They are large plastic blankets of bubble wrap.  = ;Also, you'll find a TON of people giving away pallets.

Load the items on a = pallet and bolt it to the pallet.  Then wrap in the bubble wrap, then = the pallet wrapping.  

Once done, have a li= st of all the items/pallets with dimensions.  If you know the weight, = that is much better.

Then, contact a ship= ping company near you and tell them you have X many pallets that need to be= shipped.  You may have enough for a full truck (best bet.)  If n= ot, you are a 'ltt'  (less than truckload.) this just means you'll pay more.

Let them know you ne= ed a lift gate.  IF you have a good paved driveway, they can use the p= allet jack to load them.  If not, you may have to rent a forklift, or = have a buddy with a tractor and forks come over on the pick up day.
Then you'll have to = make arrangements on the other end.  If you have a paved driveway ther= e, it might not be too bad.
That is NOT the idea= l way, but it will work.

IF you have LOTS of = stuff, going to a single location, here is the best way to do it.

Find a shipping comp= any that will drop off a 'intermodal container' (the standard shipping cont= ainer.)  You'll have to decide if you need a 20' or 40'.

They will drop it of= f for you to load on your own.  You don't need pallets, just pack the = stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge things together.  This is al= so a good time to find people getting rid of mattresses and you can put them in between items.

You load the contain= er up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and drop it off for you to unl= oad at the other side.  They normally charge a fee for the 'rental' ti= me of the unit, so plan well and be ready to load it and unload it right away.

If you are in NJ, le= t me know, I can easily help you with this.

Moose




From: =        Richard George <rkg@teleport.com>
To: &n= bsp;      shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date: =        09/27/2022 05:15 PM
Subjec= t:        [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipp= ed... help?
Sent b= y:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net&= gt;



Hi,

I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff
(tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off.&nbs= p;
I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident
they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisio= ned
(would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a
few banker boxes, etc I think).

I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the
auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes
individually.  The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that.  I = don't
have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping
(they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I
think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc).  In addition, while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment, etc.  And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (= on
the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the
companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract
additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual
delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6
hood omitted)).

So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.

Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc?&nbs= p;
Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?=

Thanks in advance,

rkg

(Richard George)

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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4919145258235255684== boundary="----=_Part_1779486_1482151285.1664365351033" ------=_Part_1779486_1482151285.1664365351033 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PODS or equivalent such as PACKRAT.https://www.1800packrat.com/ =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Brian and Wendy Warrick To: shop-talk Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2022 5:49 pm Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped.= .. help? #yiv6113902975 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} To follow up on Eric's comments, look into PODS https://www.pods.com/ If the stuff isn't big and heavy and packs well into boxes, this could be t= he way to go. Load the POD at the location and let them bring it to the Auc= tion House. No pallets or strapping needed. BrianNampa, IDFrom: Shop-talk on behalf = of eric@megageek.com Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 3:34 PM To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped.= .. help?=C2=A0Rkg,=20 There are a few options. =C2=A0If you only have a few pallets worth of item= s, go out and buy some "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.) Look in the local craigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool cover = (should be easy this time of year.) =C2=A0They are large plastic blankets o= f bubble wrap. =C2=A0Also, you'll find a TON of people giving away pallets.= =20 Load the items on a pallet and bolt it to the pallet. =C2=A0Then wrap in th= e bubble wrap, then the pallet wrapping. =C2=A0 Once done, have a list of all the items/pallets with dimensions. =C2=A0If y= ou know the weight, that is much better. Then, contact a shipping company near you and tell them you have X many pal= lets that need to be shipped. =C2=A0You may have enough for a full truck (b= est bet.) =C2=A0If not, you are a 'ltt' =C2=A0(less than truckload.) this j= ust means you'll pay more.=20 Let them know you need a lift gate. =C2=A0IF you have a good paved driveway= , they can use the pallet jack to load them. =C2=A0If not, you may have to = rent a forklift, or have a buddy with a tractor and forks come over on the = pick up day.=20 Then you'll have to make arrangements on the other end. =C2=A0If you have a= paved driveway there, it might not be too bad. That is NOT the ideal way, but it will work. IF you have LOTS of stuff, going to a single location, here is the best way= to do it. Find a shipping company that will drop off a 'intermodal container' (the st= andard shipping container.) =C2=A0You'll have to decide if you need a 20' o= r 40'. They will drop it off for you to load on your own. =C2=A0You don't need pal= lets, just pack the stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge things togeth= er. =C2=A0This is also a good time to find people getting rid of mattresses= and you can put them in between items.=20 You load the container up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and drop i= t off for you to unload at the other side. =C2=A0They normally charge a fee= for the 'rental' time of the unit, so plan well and be ready to load it an= d unload it right away.=20 If you are in NJ, let me know, I can easily help you with this. Moose=20 From: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Richard George To: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0shop-talk Date: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A009/27/2022 05:15 PM Subject: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getti= ng the pallets shipped... help? Sent by: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Shop-talk" Hi, I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff=20 (tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off.=C2= =A0=20 I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at=20 a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident=20 they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned=20 (would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a=20 few banker boxes, etc I think). I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a=20 lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the=20 auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes=20 individually.=C2=A0 The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that.=C2=A0 I = don't=20 have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping=20 (they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no=20 pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I=20 think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc).=C2=A0 In addition,=20 while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't=20 ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that=20 the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment,=20 etc.=C2=A0 And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (= on=20 the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the=20 companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract=20 additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual=20 delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6=20 hood omitted)). So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this. Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered=20 that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc?=C2= =A0=20 Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...? Thanks in advance, rkg (Richard George) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talkhttp://autox.team.net/archi= ve gageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com ------=_Part_1779486_1482151285.1664365351033 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
PODS or equivalent such as PACKRAT.
https://www.1800packrat.com/

Dave




-----Original Message-----
From: Brian and Wendy Warrick <maynerdfamily@msn.com>
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2022 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?


To follow up on Eric's comments, look into PODS

https://www.pods.com/

If the stuff isn't big and heavy and packs well into boxes, this could be the way to go. Load the POD at the location and let them bring it to the Auction House. No pallets or strapping needed.

Brian
Nampa, ID
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of eric@megageek.com <eric@megageek.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 3:34 PM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?
 
Rkg,

There are a few options.  If you only have a few pallets worth of items, go out and buy some "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.)

Look in the local craigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool cover (should be easy this time of year.)  They are large plastic blankets of bubble wrap.  Also, you'll find a TON of people giving away pallets.

Load the items on a pallet and bolt it to the pallet.  Then wrap in the bubble wrap, then the pallet wrapping.  

Once done, have a list of all the items/pallets with dimensions.  If you know the weight, that is much better.

Then, contact a shipping company near you and tell them you have X many pallets that need to be shipped.  You may have enough for a full truck (best bet.)  If not, you are a 'ltt'  (less than truckload.) this just means you'll pay more.

Let them know you need a lift gate.  IF you have a good paved driveway, they can use the pallet jack to load them.  If not, you may have to rent a forklift, or have a buddy with a tractor and forks come over on the pick up day.
Then you'll have to make arrangements on the other end.  If you have a paved driveway there, it might not be too bad.
That is NOT the ideal way, but it will work.

IF you have LOTS of stuff, going to a single location, here is the best way to do it.

Find a shipping company that will drop off a 'intermodal container' (the standard shipping container.)  You'll have to decide if you need a 20' or 40'.

They will drop it off for you to load on your own.  You don't need pallets, just pack the stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge things together.  This is also a good time to find people getting rid of mattresses and you can put them in between items.

You load the container up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and drop it off for you to unload at the other side.  They normally charge a fee for the 'rental' time of the unit, so plan well and be ready to load it and unload it right away.

If you are in NJ, let me know, I can easily help you with this.

Moose




From:        Richard George <rkg@teleport.com>
To:        shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:        09/27/2022 05:15 PM
Subject:        [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>



Hi,

I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff
(tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off. 
I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at
a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident
they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned
(would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a
few banker boxes, etc I think).

I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a
lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the
auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes
individually.  The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that.  I don't
have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping
(they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no
pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I
think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc).  In addition,
while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't
ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that
the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment,
etc.  And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on
the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the
companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract
additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual
delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6
hood omitted)).

So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.

Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered
that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc? 
Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?

Thanks in advance,

rkg

(Richard George)

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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3518627714655641180== boundary="------------7Y5ukKBRRdFuU85NAqAmXYnY" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7Y5ukKBRRdFuU85NAqAmXYnY Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit First off, Thanks to everybody who took the time to reply! I see I managed to not include some basic info: The boxes need to go from Oregon to New York. The recipient has a loading dock/pallet handling "stuff" (jacks, forklift, etc), but as I noted before, I don't :-/ As many people suggested checking out PODs, I checked their website and their automated tool says they won't deliver to the zipcode of the recipient and suggested using upack (https://www.upack.com/) instead. It also sounds like I need to get a better handle on the weight/volume in order to even ask the right questions to the various shipping vendors and will go work on that next. Thanks again, rkg (Richard George) P.S.  As with a lot of other people around here, I've had it with Portland (diatribe omitted to keep from threadjacking myself), and actually need to have a number of repairs done to our house before putting it on the market.  To get some stuff out of the way of where the work needs to get done I was thinking of using a PODs to store some of our household goods while the work was being done.  Thanks to Tim for mentioning water issues/I'll look into that in the fine print (it rains a fair amount here, and...). -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help? Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 17:52:10 -0400 From: George P. Dausch IV To: Richard George From where to where? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2022, at 5:17 PM, Richard George wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff > (tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned > off. I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes > sent at a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is > confident they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally > envisioned (would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium > moving boxes,a few banker boxes, etc I think). > > I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be > a lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the > auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes > individually. The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that. I don't > have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping > (they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, > no pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but > I think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc). In addition, > while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I > haven't ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for > shipment so that the will make it, actually tried to use a freight > company for shipment, etc. And... the times in the past I've dealt > with freight companies (on the receiving end), it often didn't go well > (not so much damage as the companies all seemed to do bait and switch > on rates, tried to extract additional payments they weren't owed, > there were issues with actual delivery, etc (story of cluster > surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6 hood omitted)). > > So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this. > > Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it > delivered that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the > pricing,etc? Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out > there, or...? > > Thanks in advance, > > rkg > > (Richard George) > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gpd4@juno.com > --------------7Y5ukKBRRdFuU85NAqAmXYnY Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

First off, Thanks to everybody who took the time to reply!

I see I managed to not include some basic info: The boxes need to go from Oregon to New York. The recipient has a loading dock/pallet handling "stuff" (jacks, forklift, etc), but as I noted before, I don't :-/

As many people suggested checking out PODs, I checked their website and their automated tool says they won't deliver to the zipcode of the recipient and suggested using upack (https://www.upack.com/) instead.

It also sounds like I need to get a better handle on the weight/volume in order to even ask the right questions to the various shipping vendors and will go work on that next.

Thanks again,
rkg
(Richard George)

P.S.  As with a lot of other people around here, I've had it with Portland (diatribe omitted to keep from threadjacking myself), and actually need to have a number of repairs done to our house before putting it on the market.  To get some stuff out of the way of where the work needs to get done I was thinking of using a PODs to store some of our household goods while the work was being done.  Thanks to Tim for mentioning water issues/I'll look into that in the fine print (it rains a fair amount here, and...).


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 17:52:10 -0400
From: George P. Dausch IV <GPD4@juno.com>
To: Richard George <rkg@teleport.com>


From where to where?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2022, at 5:17 PM, Richard George <rkg@teleport.com> wrote:

Hi,

I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff (tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off. I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned (would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a few banker boxes, etc I think).

I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes individually. The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that. I don't have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping (they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc). In addition, while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment, etc. And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6 hood omitted)).

So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.

Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc? Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?

Thanks in advance,

rkg

(Richard George)

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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4573182909958203004== boundary="----=_Part_1983204_191466747.1664388050266" ------=_Part_1983204_191466747.1664388050266 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My experience with Pack-Rat but I doubt PODS is any different.=C2=A0 The c= ontainers are "Rain Proof" in that they shed water but if you put one on a = flat-bed trailer and drive through a rain storm water will find its way in.= =C2=A0 If you are just storing I doubt you will have any issues.=C2=A0 And,= typically, they store the pod inside a warehouse anyway. =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Richard George To: shop-talk Sent: Wed, Sep 28, 2022 12:01 pm Subject: [Shop-talk] Fwd: palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped= ... help? First off, Thanks to everybody who took the time to reply! I see I manage= d to not include some basic info: The boxes need to go from Oregon to New Y= ork. The recipient has a loading dock/pallet handling "stuff" (jacks, forkl= ift, etc), but as I noted before, I don't :-/ As many people suggested checking out PODs, I checked their website and t= heir automated tool says they won't deliver to the zipcode of the recipient= and suggested using upack (https://www.upack.com/) instead. It also sounds= like I need to get a better handle on the weight/volume in order to even a= sk the right questions to the various shipping vendors and will go work on = that next. Thanks again,=20 rkg (Richard George)=20 P.S.=C2=A0 As with a lot of other people around here, I've had it with Po= rtland (diatribe omitted to keep from threadjacking myself), and actually n= eed to have a number of repairs done to our house before putting it on the = market.=C2=A0 To get some stuff out of the way of where the work needs to g= et done I was thinking of using a PODs to store some of our household goods= while the work was being done.=C2=A0 Thanks to Tim for mentioning water is= sues/I'll look into that in the fine print (it rains a fair amount here, an= d...). =20 =20 -------- Forwarded Message --------=20 | Subject: | Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shi= pped... help? | | Date: | Tue, 27 Sep 2022 17:52:10 -0400 | | From: | George P. Dausch IV | | To: | Richard George | =20 =20 From where to where? =20 Sent from my iPhone =20 =20 On Sep 27, 2022, at 5:17 PM, Richard George wrote: =20 =EF=BB=BFHi, =20 I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff (tools= - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off. I was ori= ginally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at a discount = via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident they can deal wit= h far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned (would be 40 or so of t= hose home depot small and medium moving boxes,a few banker boxes, etc I thi= nk). =20 I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a l= ot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the auction= house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes individually. The trou= ble is that I'm not set up to do that. I don't have any pallet jacks, don't= exactly have any place to do the wrapping (they are all in storage - I sup= pose I could do it there, but again, no pallet jack and while the storage s= pace would let me work there but I think getting a truck there might be a c= luster, etc). In addition, while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment ov= er the years, I haven't ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet= for shipment so that the will make it, actually tried to use a freight com= pany for shipment, etc. And... the times in the past I've dealt with freigh= t companies (on the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much da= mage as the companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to e= xtract additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual= delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6 hoo= d omitted)). =20 So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this. =20 Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered th= at won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc? Is th= ere a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...? =20 Thanks in advance, =20 rkg =20 (Richard George) =20 _______________________________________________ =20 Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive =20 Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gpd4@j= uno.com =20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com ------=_Part_1983204_191466747.1664388050266 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My experience with Pack-Rat but I doubt PODS is any = different.  The containers are "Rain Proof" in that they shed water bu= t if you put one on a flat-bed trailer and drive through a rain storm water= will find its way in.  If you are just storing I doubt you will have = any issues.  And, typically, they store the pod inside a warehouse any= way.

Dave
<= br>



-----Original Message-----
From: Richard George <rkg@teleport.com>
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 28, 2022 12:01 pm
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fwd: palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped= ... help?

=20 =20 =20 =20
=20
First off, Thanks to everybody who took the time to reply!
=20
I see I managed to not include some basic info: The boxes need to go from Oregon to New York. The recipient has a loading dock/pallet handling "stuff" (jacks, forklift, etc), but as I noted before, I don't :-/
=20
As many people suggested checking out PODs, I checked their website and their automated tool says they won't deliver to the zipcode of the recipient and suggested using upack (https://= www.upack.com/) instead.
=20
It also sounds like I need to get a better handle on the weight/volume in order to even ask the right questions to the various shipping vendors and will go work on that next.
=20
Thanks again,
=20
rkg
=20
(Richard George)
=20

=20
P.S.  As with a lot = of other people around here, I've had it with Portland (diatribe omitted to keep from threadjacking myself), and actually need to have a number of repairs done to our house before putting it on the market.  To get some stuff out of the way of where the work need= s to get done I was thinking of using a PODs to store some of our household goods while the work was being done.  Thanks to Tim fo= r mentioning water issues/I'll look into that in the fine print (it rains a fair amount here, and...).
=20

=20

=20
-------- Forwarded Messag= e --------
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 17:52:10 -0400
From: George P. Dausch IV <GPD4@juno.com>
To: Richard George <rkg@teleport.com&g= t;


From where to where?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2022, at 5:17 PM, Richard George <rkg@teleport.com> wrote:
=EF=BB=BFHi,

I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff (tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off. I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned (would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a few banker boxes, etc I think).

I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes individually. The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that. I don't have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping (they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc). In addition, while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment, etc. And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6 hood omitted)).

So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.

Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc? Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?

Thanks in advance,

rkg

(Richard George)

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