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From: Karl Vacek <stearman809@gmail.com>
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Some time ago the wax ring went out in our upstairs toilet.  No evidence of 
the failure till I had to get into the plumbing wall below there.  Lovely 
mess of black mold and nasty gunk.  I cleaned everything up with successive 
applications of bleach-based cleaners, but there was still some nasty stuff 
and the copper pipes were green, so I followed up with hydrochloric 
(muriatic) acid.  It's clean, but there's still a lingering stench that 
wasn't there in the first place.  The acid itself did stink badly for a 
couple weeks but I think that's mostly gone now.

I've used Febreeze and an aerosol deodorant, but this needs serious help.

Suggestions?

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Some time ago the wax ring went out in our upstairs toilet.&nbsp; No eviden=
ce of the failure till I had to get into the plumbing wall below there.&nbs=
p; Lovely mess of black mold and nasty gunk.&nbsp; I cleaned everything up =
with successive applications of bleach-based cleaners, but there was still =
some nasty stuff and the copper pipes were green, so I followed up with hyd=
rochloric (muriatic) acid.&nbsp; It's clean, but there's still a lingering =
stench that wasn't there in the first place.&nbsp; The acid itself did stin=
k badly for a couple weeks but I think that's mostly gone now.<div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I've used Febreeze and an aerosol deodoran=
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From: Doug Braun <doug@dougbraun.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 10:13:01 -0400
To: Karl Vacek <stearman809@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Odor removal
Cc: "shop-talk@autox. team. net" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
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BTW, don't ever use bathroom cleaning products containing hydrochloric
acid.  (Some toilet bowl cleaners contain it).
It quickly destroys chrome plating.  Ask me how I know...

Doug

On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 2:38=E2=80=AFAM Karl Vacek <stearman809@gmail.com> w=
rote:

> Some time ago the wax ring went out in our upstairs toilet.  No evidence
> of the failure till I had to get into the plumbing wall below there.
> Lovely mess of black mold and nasty gunk.  I cleaned everything up with
> successive applications of bleach-based cleaners, but there was still som=
e
> nasty stuff and the copper pipes were green, so I followed up with
> hydrochloric (muriatic) acid.  It's clean, but there's still a lingering
> stench that wasn't there in the first place.  The acid itself did stink
> badly for a couple weeks but I think that's mostly gone now.
>
> I've used Febreeze and an aerosol deodorant, but this needs serious help.
>
> Suggestions?
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>BTW, don&#39;t ever use bathroom cleaning products co=
ntaining hydrochloric acid.=C2=A0 (Some toilet bowl cleaners contain it).</=
div><div>It quickly destroys chrome plating.=C2=A0 Ask me how I know...</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Doug<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 2:38=E2=80=AFAM =
Karl Vacek &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stearman809@gmail.com">stearman809@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
"><u></u>

<div>
<div dir=3D"auto">
Some time ago the wax ring went out in our upstairs toilet.=C2=A0 No eviden=
ce of the failure till I had to get into the plumbing wall below there.=C2=
=A0 Lovely mess of black mold and nasty gunk.=C2=A0 I cleaned everything up=
 with successive applications of bleach-based cleaners, but there was still=
 some nasty stuff and the copper pipes were green, so I followed up with hy=
drochloric (muriatic) acid.=C2=A0 It&#39;s clean, but there&#39;s still a l=
ingering stench that wasn&#39;t there in the first place.=C2=A0 The acid it=
self did stink badly for a couple weeks but I think that&#39;s mostly gone =
now.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I&#39;ve used Febreeze an=
d an aerosol deodorant, but this needs serious help.</div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Suggestions?=C2=A0</div>
</div></div>

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The tint on the DS of my daily started to fail last fall. During this ongoi=
ng failure there was adhesive getting on the inner squeegie as well as the =
tint that wasn't peeling. Today I finally had to pull it all off as it was =
starting to bunch up and peel considerably worse.

Now I have all the adhesive to try to remove.

Steam and scraping was suggested by the tint place but I don't have access =
to a steamer.  Do you all think a cautiously used heat gun with a stainless=
 scraper would work as well?

Rubbing alcohol moved the adhesive around but seemed to not really remove i=
t. I might try this again tomorrow when it is hopefully warmer.

thanks

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From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 06:17:43 -0400
To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] removing window tint
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I might try the heat gun, but heat first and then use a plastic scraper.

Maybe a spritz of water and then the heat gun would simulate steam?

On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 05:11 Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:

> The tint on the DS of my daily started to fail last fall. During this
> ongoing failure there was adhesive getting on the inner squeegie as well as
> the tint that wasn't peeling. Today I finally had to pull it all off as it
> was starting to bunch up and peel considerably worse.
>
> Now I have all the adhesive to try to remove.
>
> Steam and scraping was suggested by the tint place but I don't have access
> to a steamer.  Do you all think a cautiously used heat gun with a stainless
> scraper would work as well?
>
> Rubbing alcohol moved the adhesive around but seemed to not really remove
> it. I might try this again tomorrow when it is hopefully warmer.
>
> thanks
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<div dir=3D"auto">I might try the heat gun, but heat first and then use a p=
lastic scraper.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Ma=
ybe a spritz of water and then the heat gun would simulate steam?</div></di=
v><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On S=
at, Apr 8, 2023, 05:11 Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@outloo=
k.com">tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">




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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
The tint on the DS of my daily started to fail last fall. During this ongoi=
ng failure there was adhesive getting on the inner squeegie as well as the =
tint that wasn&#39;t peeling. Today I finally had to pull it all off as it =
was starting to bunch up and peel considerably
 worse.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Now I have all the adhesive to try to remove.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Steam and scraping was suggested by the tint place but I don&#39;t have acc=
ess to a steamer.=C2=A0 Do you all think a cautiously used heat gun with a =
stainless scraper would work as well?=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Rubbing alcohol moved the adhesive around but seemed to not really remove i=
t. I might try this again tomorrow when it is hopefully warmer.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
thanks</div>
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I have had good luck with 3M General Purpose Adhesive Cleaner part =
number 08984.  I think the quart can I bought about a decade ago will =
last my lifetime.

Tom

> On Apr 6, 2023, at 5:26 PM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> The tint on the DS of my daily started to fail last fall. During this =
ongoing failure there was adhesive getting on the inner squeegie as well =
as the tint that wasn't peeling. Today I finally had to pull it all off =
as it was starting to bunch up and peel considerably worse.=20
>=20
> Now I have all the adhesive to try to remove.=20
>=20
> Steam and scraping was suggested by the tint place but I don't have =
access to a steamer.  Do you all think a cautiously used heat gun with a =
stainless scraper would work as well?=20
>=20
> Rubbing alcohol moved the adhesive around but seemed to not really =
remove it. I might try this again tomorrow when it is hopefully warmer.=20=

>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">I have had =
good luck with 3M General Purpose Adhesive Cleaner part number 08984. =
&nbsp;I think the quart can I bought about a decade ago will last my =
lifetime.<div><br></div><div>Tom<br><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Apr 6, 2023, at 5:26 PM, Tim . =
&lt;tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset=3D"UTF-8"><div =
class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">The tint on the DS of my daily =
started to fail last fall. During this ongoing failure there was =
adhesive getting on the inner squeegie as well as the tint that wasn't =
peeling. Today I finally had to pull it all off as it was starting to =
bunch up and peel considerably worse.&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div =
class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Now I have all the adhesive to =
try to remove.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"elementToProof" =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: =
Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: =
rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div class=3D"elementToProof" =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: =
Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: =
rgb(255, 255, 255);">Steam and scraping was suggested by the tint place =
but I don't have access to a steamer.&nbsp; Do you all think a =
cautiously used heat gun with a stainless scraper would work as =
well?&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div =
class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Rubbing alcohol moved the =
adhesive around but seemed to not really remove it. I might try this =
again tomorrow when it is hopefully warmer.&nbsp;</div><div =
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normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
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> On Apr 8, 2023, at 04:10, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> The tint on the DS of my daily started to fail last fall. During this ongo=
ing failure there was adhesive getting on the inner squeegie as well as the t=
int that wasn't peeling. Today I finally had to pull it all off as it was st=
arting to bunch up and peel considerably worse.=20
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> Now I have all the adhesive to try to remove.=20
>=20
> Steam and scraping was suggested by the tint place but I don't have access=
 to a steamer.  Do you all think a cautiously used heat gun with a stainless=
 scraper would work as well?=20

Plastic scraper. A small steam cleaner is pretty cheap.  You can also rent t=
hem  =20

Or just punt and take the care to a detail shop.=20




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The tint on the DS of my daily started to fail last fall. During this ongoin=
g failure there was adhesive getting on the inner squeegie as well as the ti=
nt that wasn't peeling. Today I finally had to pull it all off as it was sta=
rting to bunch up and peel considerably
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From: Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 19:25:13 -0500
To: David Scheidt <dmscheidt@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] removing window tint
Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
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I recently had the same situation on both our '98 F-150 and an '02
Suburban. Fortunately just the front windows on both had the aftermarket
tint. We ended up buying a steamer (
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C44DM6D?psc=3D1&ref=3Dppx_pop_dt_b_asin_title)
because we knew we had additional uses, plus we had an Amazon credit that
covered the cost. I was going to take the trucks to a local but then we got
the steamer. The steamer cost about what a shop quoted me just to remove
the old tint on one of the trucks. I decided to use only distilled water in
it to minimize mineral deposits in the tank. It was a bit messy, but it
worked well.

I'd been dealing with the film on the F-150 going bad for some time. A heat
gun didn't do well at all, even with a spray bottle. The heat was too
difficult to control, while the combination of the gentle heat and the
steam from the steamer allowed me to pull the old film off in sheets
instead of melted pieces. I did need to use lacquer thinner to clean up
some spots where the adhesive stuck to the glass. I used the blue heavy
duty paper towels to clean up the residual adhesive.

FWIW,
RD

On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 5:47=E2=80=AFPM David Scheidt <dmscheidt@gmail.com> =
wrote:

>
>
> On Apr 8, 2023, at 04:10, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> The tint on the DS of my daily started to fail last fall. During this
> ongoing failure there was adhesive getting on the inner squeegie as well =
as
> the tint that wasn't peeling. Today I finally had to pull it all off as i=
t
> was starting to bunch up and peel considerably worse.
>
> Now I have all the adhesive to try to remove.
>
> Steam and scraping was suggested by the tint place but I don't have acces=
s
> to a steamer.  Do you all think a cautiously used heat gun with a stainle=
ss
> scraper would work as well?
>
>
> Plastic scraper. A small steam cleaner is pretty cheap.  You can also ren=
t
> them
>
> Or just punt and take the care to a detail shop.
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I recently had the same situation on both our &#39;98 F-15=
0 and an &#39;02 Suburban. Fortunately just the front=C2=A0windows on both =
had the aftermarket tint. We ended up buying a steamer (<a href=3D"https://=
www.amazon.com/dp/B07C44DM6D?psc=3D1&amp;ref=3Dppx_pop_dt_b_asin_title">htt=
ps://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C44DM6D?psc=3D1&amp;ref=3Dppx_pop_dt_b_asin_title=
</a>) because we knew we had additional uses, plus we had an Amazon credit =
that covered the cost. I was going to take the trucks to a local but then w=
e got the steamer. The steamer cost about what a shop quoted me just to rem=
ove the old tint on one of the trucks. I decided to use only distilled wate=
r in it to minimize=C2=A0mineral deposits in the tank. It was a bit messy, =
but it worked well.<div><br></div><div>I&#39;d been dealing with the film o=
n the F-150 going bad for some time. A heat gun didn&#39;t do well at all, =
even with a spray bottle. The heat was too difficult to control, while the =
combination of the gentle heat and the steam from=C2=A0the steamer allowed =
me to pull the old film off in sheets instead of melted pieces. I did need =
to use lacquer=C2=A0thinner to clean up some spots where the adhesive stuck=
 to the glass. I used the blue heavy duty paper towels to clean up the resi=
dual adhesive.</div><div><br></div><div>FWIW,<br></div><div>RD</div></div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat,=
 Apr 8, 2023 at 5:47=E2=80=AFPM David Scheidt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmschei=
dt@gmail.com">dmscheidt@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On=
 Apr 8, 2023, at 04:10, Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@outlo=
ok.com" target=3D"_blank">tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF





<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
The tint on the DS of my daily started to fail last fall. During this ongoi=
ng failure there was adhesive getting on the inner squeegie as well as the =
tint that wasn&#39;t peeling. Today I finally had to pull it all off as it =
was starting to bunch up and peel considerably
 worse.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Now I have all the adhesive to try to remove.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Steam and scraping was suggested by the tint place but I don&#39;t have acc=
ess to a steamer.=C2=A0 Do you all think a cautiously used heat gun with a =
stainless scraper would work as well?=C2=A0</div></div></blockquote><div><b=
r></div>Plastic scraper. A small steam cleaner is pretty cheap.=C2=A0 You c=
an also rent them =C2=A0=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Or just punt and take the=
 care to a detail shop.=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><=
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Goo gone works pretty good for adhesive, but my opinion is that 'Desolve It=
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<div id=3D"yiv4587943681"><div>Goo gone works pretty good for adhesive, but=
 my opinion is that 'Desolve It' seems stronger. Not sure I'd use it on the=
 defogger strips though, but if you can find some locally, might be worth t=
he effort.&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv4587943681ymail_android_si=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I asked a good friend in the window tinting=
 business about this. He polled his techs and passed on this advice:<div><br=
></div><div><p class=3D"p1" style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line=
-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-al=
ternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: norm=
al; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-fea=
ture-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: n=
ormal; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class=3D"s1">Bill, my tint tec=
hs agreed on this:</span></p><p class=3D"p1" style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stre=
tch: normal; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto=
; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-vari=
ant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position:=
 normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-vari=
ation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class=3D"s1">=
We wouldn=E2=80=99t recommend the heat gun on the interior because he can bu=
rn the plastics inside easily.</span></p><p class=3D"p1" style=3D"margin: 0p=
x; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-k=
erning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: norma=
l; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-varia=
nt-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: aut=
o; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span c=
lass=3D"s1">His best bet is to use soapy water (let it sit for 5 minutes) an=
d then scrape it with a razor blade. But he has to be careful otherwise he=E2=
=80=99ll scratch the glass. If the glue is really stuck on and not coming of=
f easily, I would recommend using an all-purpose degreaser. Make sure he wip=
es the door panel off after he applies the degreaser if he goes that route.&=
nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"p1" style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; l=
ine-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant=
-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: n=
ormal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-=
feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings=
: normal; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class=3D"s1">If he=E2=80=99=
s looking to re-tint it afterwards, it=E2=80=99s best to come in so we can d=
o the removal.</span></p><div><br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; font-size: small;"></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div><p class=3D"p1"><span class=3D"s1">Once you give a charlatan power=
 over you, you almost never get it back. - Carl Sagan</span></p></div></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 8, 2023, at 6:15 PM, R=
onnie Day &lt;ronnie.day@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">I recently h=
ad the same situation on both our '98 F-150 and an '02 Suburban. Fortunately=
 just the front&nbsp;windows on both had the aftermarket tint. We ended up b=
uying a steamer (<a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C44DM6D?psc=3D1&amp=
;ref=3Dppx_pop_dt_b_asin_title">https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C44DM6D?psc=3D1=
&amp;ref=3Dppx_pop_dt_b_asin_title</a>) because we knew we had additional us=
es, plus we had an Amazon credit that covered the cost. I was going to take t=
he trucks to a local but then we got the steamer. The steamer cost about wha=
t a shop quoted me just to remove the old tint on one of the trucks. I decid=
ed to use only distilled water in it to minimize&nbsp;mineral deposits in th=
e tank. It was a bit messy, but it worked well.<div><br></div><div>I'd been d=
ealing with the film on the F-150 going bad for some time. A heat gun didn't=
 do well at all, even with a spray bottle. The heat was too difficult to con=
trol, while the combination of the gentle heat and the steam from&nbsp;the s=
teamer allowed me to pull the old film off in sheets instead of melted piece=
s. I did need to use lacquer&nbsp;thinner to clean up some spots where the a=
dhesive stuck to the glass. I used the blue heavy duty paper towels to clean=
 up the residual adhesive.</div><div><br></div><div>FWIW,<br></div><div>RD</=
div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att=
r">On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 5:47=E2=80=AFPM David Scheidt &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:dmscheidt@gmail.com">dmscheidt@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e">On Apr 8, 2023, at 04:10, Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@o=
utlook.com" target=3D"_blank">tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF=






<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
The tint on the DS of my daily started to fail last fall. During this ongoin=
g failure there was adhesive getting on the inner squeegie as well as the ti=
nt that wasn't peeling. Today I finally had to pull it all off as it was sta=
rting to bunch up and peel considerably
 worse.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Now I have all the adhesive to try to remove.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Steam and scraping was suggested by the tint place but I don't have access t=
o a steamer.&nbsp; Do you all think a cautiously used heat gun with a stainl=
ess scraper would work as well?&nbsp;</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div=
>Plastic scraper. A small steam cleaner is pretty cheap.&nbsp; You can also r=
ent them &nbsp;&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Or just punt and take the care to a=
 detail shop.&nbsp;<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></=
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From: old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 05:44:05 -0700
To: Mark Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Happy birthday to Team Net
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Happy Birthday team net and thank you Mark for supporting all these many
years! It was a vastly different world Internet-wise (and otherwise) three
decades ago.

Many things have changed in the world, of course, and many of us who were
here three decades ago are no longer here to celebrate the birthday.

Sometimes it is easy to look backwards fondly and lament what we may have
lost over time, but it also is very important to keep looking forward as
that is where our opportunities and future lie.

I have been a professor for the last three decades and remember when I had
additional phone lines in my house for the modem and fax machines, and that
1,200 baud Hayes modem was the gateway to the Internet.

I have students today who have not known a world without a smartphone with
pervasive Wi-Fi and cel coverage, do not understand why a house would have
a phone (e.g., who would call a house), cannot reliably tell time on
analogue clocks, have never seen a car with a third peddle, are befuddled
at the sight of a kickstarter on a motorcycle, have never seen a newspaper
or a catalogue or understand what a carburettor does, etc.

It is a different world here three decades later, but much of it has
improved dramatically. Our medecine, our electronics. our connectivity, the
efficiency, emissions and power of our cars and motorcycles, etc.

It actually is wonderful that we have the option of driving a BEV, if we
wish, and at the same time I can still drive my '54 MG TF that has a
hand-crank starter hole in the grill or ride my '72 BSA B50SS kickstart,
tickle the carburettor, 600cc single cylinder motorcycle.

The world has changed dramatically as we have spanned the two centuries
together on this list, but it still is a wonderful life, and I would not
change it for anything. We have been blessed to be on this journey
together...

best,

doug

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:49=E2=80=AFPM Mark Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com> =
wrote:

> 32 years ago the team.net domain was created.  Hard to believe it has
> been that long!
>
> mjb.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Hap=
py Birthday team net and thank you Mark for supporting all these many years=
! It was a vastly different world Internet-wise (and otherwise) three decad=
es ago.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Many things have =
changed in the world, of course, and many of us who were here three decades=
 ago are no longer here to celebrate the birthday.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-size:small">Sometimes it is easy to look backwards=C2=
=A0fondly and lament what we may have lost over time, but it also is very i=
mportant to keep looking forward as that is where our opportunities and fut=
ure lie.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I have been a pr=
ofessor for the last three decades and remember when I had additional phone=
 lines in my house for the modem and fax machines, and that 1,200 baud Haye=
s modem was the gateway to the Internet.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-size:small">I have students today who have not known a world without a =
smartphone with pervasive Wi-Fi and cel coverage, do not understand why a h=
ouse would have a phone (e.g., who would call a house), cannot reliably tel=
l time on analogue clocks, have never seen a car with a third peddle, are b=
efuddled at the sight of a kickstarter on a motorcycle, have never seen a n=
ewspaper or a catalogue or understand what a carburettor does, etc.</div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">It is a different world here t=
hree decades later, but much of it has improved dramatically. Our medecine,=
 our electronics. our connectivity, the efficiency, emissions and power of =
our cars and motorcycles, etc.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:s=
mall">It actually is wonderful that we have the option of driving a BEV, if=
 we wish, and at the same time I can still drive my &#39;54 MG TF that has =
a hand-crank starter hole in the grill or ride my &#39;72 BSA B50SS kicksta=
rt, tickle the carburettor, 600cc single cylinder=C2=A0motorcycle.=C2=A0</d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">=C2=A0=C2=A0</div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">The world has chang=
ed=C2=A0dramatically as we have spanned the two centuries together on this =
list, but it still is a wonderful life, and I would not change it for anyth=
ing. We have been blessed to be on this journey together...</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-size:small">best,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-size:small">doug</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:49=E2=80=AFPM Mark Bra=
dakis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@bradakis.com">mark@bradakis.com</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">32 years ag=
o the <a href=3D"http://team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">team=
.net</a> domain was created.=C2=A0 Hard to believe it has <br>
been that long!<br>
<br>
mjb.<br>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
<br>
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et=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
Archive: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk" rel=3D"norefer=
rer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</a> <a href=
=3D"http://autox.team.net/archive" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://autox.team.net/archive</a><br>
<br>
alk/dirtbeard@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.=
team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com</a><br>
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gnature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><d=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Well said, Doug!<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pa=
t Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Apr 12, 2023, at 8:46 AM, old dirtbeard &lt;dirtbear=
d@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Happy Birthday tea=
m net and thank you Mark for supporting all these many years! It was a vastl=
y different world Internet-wise (and otherwise) three decades ago.</div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Many things have changed in the worl=
d, of course, and many of us who were here three decades ago are no longer h=
ere to celebrate the birthday.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small">Sometimes it is easy to look backwards&nbsp;fondly and lament what=
 we may have lost over time, but it also is very important to keep looking f=
orward as that is where our opportunities and future lie.</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-size:small">I have been a professor for the last three de=
cades and remember when I had additional phone lines in my house for the mod=
em and fax machines, and that 1,200 baud Hayes modem was the gateway to the I=
nternet.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I have students to=
day who have not known a world without a smartphone with pervasive Wi-Fi and=
 cel coverage, do not understand why a house would have a phone (e.g., who w=
ould call a house), cannot reliably tell time on analogue clocks, have never=
 seen a car with a third peddle, are befuddled at the sight of a kickstarter=
 on a motorcycle, have never seen a newspaper or a catalogue or understand w=
hat a carburettor does, etc.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small=
">It is a different world here three decades later, but much of it has impro=
ved dramatically. Our medecine, our electronics. our connectivity, the effic=
iency, emissions and power of our cars and motorcycles, etc.</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-size:small">It actually is wonderful that we have the o=
ption of driving a BEV, if we wish, and at the same time I can still drive m=
y '54 MG TF that has a hand-crank starter hole in the grill or ride my '72 B=
SA B50SS kickstart, tickle the carburettor, 600cc single cylinder&nbsp;motor=
cycle.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">The wo=
rld has changed&nbsp;dramatically as we have spanned the two centuries toget=
her on this list, but it still is a wonderful life, and I would not change i=
t for anything. We have been blessed to be on this journey together...</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">best,</div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-size:small">doug</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:49=E2=80=AFPM Mark B=
radakis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@bradakis.com">mark@bradakis.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">32 years ago=
 the <a href=3D"http://team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">team.n=
et</a> domain was created.&nbsp; Hard to believe it has <br>
been that long!<br>
<br>
mjb.<br>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">Shop-talk@auto=
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t=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
Archive: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk" rel=3D"noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</a> <a href=3D=
"http://autox.team.net/archive" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://=
autox.team.net/archive</a><br>
<br>
lk/dirtbeard@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.te=
am.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><span class=3D"gmail_sig=
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 13:35:45 -0500
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>,
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Mark,

Appreciate the work and effort! Things have changed SO Much, like Doug
said. It seems not that long ago when we had FOUR POTS lines at the house,
one personal voice, one business voice & two data lines, IIRC. Originally
14.4, ended up at 56K (I think!). We now live on 10 acres about 35 miles NW
of Bryan/College Station and after 10 years of struggling with ViaSat and
HughesNet, have been on Starlink for just over a year. It's a whole
different world!

Thanks Again, be Well!

RD

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 1:18=E2=80=AFPM Richard George <rkg@teleport.com> w=
rote:

> Wow!  time flies...
>
> rkg
>
> (Richard George)
>
> On 4/11/2023 8:41 PM, Mark Bradakis wrote:
> > 32 years ago the team.net domain was created.  Hard to believe it has
> > been that long!
> >
> > mjb.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Shop-talk@autox.team.net
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
> > http://autox.team.net/archive
> >
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> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rkg@teleport.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Mark,<div><br></div><div>Appreciate the work and effort! T=
hings have changed SO Much, like Doug said. It seems not that long ago when=
 we had FOUR POTS lines at the house, one personal voice, one business voic=
e &amp; two data lines, IIRC. Originally 14.4, ended up at 56K (I think!). =
We now live on 10 acres about 35 miles NW of Bryan/College Station and afte=
r 10 years of struggling with ViaSat and HughesNet, have been on Starlink f=
or just over a year. It&#39;s a whole different world!</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Thanks Again, be Well!</div><div><br></div><div>RD</div></div><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 12=
, 2023 at 1:18=E2=80=AFPM Richard George &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rkg@teleport=
.com">rkg@teleport.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex">Wow!=C2=A0 time flies...<br>
<br>
rkg<br>
<br>
(Richard George)<br>
<br>
On 4/11/2023 8:41 PM, Mark Bradakis wrote:<br>
&gt; 32 years ago the <a href=3D"http://team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">team.net</a> domain was created.=C2=A0 Hard to believe it has <=
br>
&gt; been that long!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; mjb.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
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>
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ptions/shop-talk/rkg@teleport.com</a><br>
&gt;<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
<br>
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trying to copy some documentation on my tools and my scanner refuses to=20
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reloaded all the proper up to date drivers
run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. reset to factory settings...=
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tried several different scanner software packages including HPs version and=
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everyone says it "Can Not Communicate with the scanner."
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Tried an online tech support outfit that said it was a virus preventing it =
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working and for 250 bucks they would fix it... well, thanks but no thanks. =
 Ran=20
several malware and virus programs and found one
PUP file and removed it .  After that redid all above and same result... Ho=
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someone can tech me up on this and get this piece of printer working=20
again...and all other printer functions work fine
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thanks
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">trying to copy some documentation on my tools =
and my scanner refuses to cooperate.&nbsp; It used to work.&nbsp; It's a HP=
 m1217 nfw multifunction printer.&nbsp; I've reloaded all the proper up to =
date drivers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. =
reset to factory settings... tried several different scanner software packa=
ges including HPs version and everyone says it "Can Not&nbsp;Communicate wi=
th the scanner."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Tried an online tech support outfit that said =
it was a virus preventing it from working and for 250 bucks they would fix =
it... well, thanks but no thanks.&nbsp; Ran several malware and virus progr=
ams and found one</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">PUP file and removed it .&nbsp; After that red=
id all above and same result... Hope someone can tech me up on this and get=
 this piece of printer working again...and all other printer functions work=
 fine</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</FONT></DIV>
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Make sure your wireless is not set to public.  Don't ask me how I know.

Mike

On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:
> trying to copy some documentation on my tools and my scanner refuses 
> to cooperate.  It used to work. It's a HP m1217 nfw multifunction 
> printer.  I've reloaded all the proper up to date drivers
> run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. reset to factory 
> settings... tried several different scanner software packages 
> including HPs version and everyone says it "Can Not Communicate with 
> the scanner."
> Tried an online tech support outfit that said it was a virus 
> preventing it from working and for 250 bucks they would fix it... 
> well, thanks but no thanks. Ran several malware and virus programs and 
> found one
> PUP file and removed it .  After that redid all above and same 
> result... Hope someone can tech me up on this and get this piece of 
> printer working again...and all other printer functions work fine
> thanks
> john
>
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    <p><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma">Make sure your wireless is not
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    <p><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma">Mike</font></font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:<br>
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      <div><font face="Segoe UI">trying to copy some documentation on my
          tools and my scanner refuses to cooperate.  It used to work. 
          It's a HP m1217 nfw multifunction printer.  I've reloaded all
          the proper up to date drivers</font></div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">run diagnostics on hardware and all is
          fine.. reset to factory settings... tried several different
          scanner software packages including HPs version and everyone
          says it "Can Not Communicate with the scanner."</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">Tried an online tech support outfit
          that said it was a virus preventing it from working and for
          250 bucks they would fix it... well, thanks but no thanks. 
          Ran several malware and virus programs and found one</font></div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">PUP file and removed it .  After that
          redid all above and same result... Hope someone can tech me up
          on this and get this piece of printer working again...and all
          other printer functions work fine</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">john</font></div>
      <br>
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From: Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2023 19:09:35 -0500
To: Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help
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Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the software simply works!
You can D/L it and see if/how it works. You'll get watermarks until you pay
for it but you'll know it works before you do. It was recommended by a
friend on the editing list I've been on since the mid '90s. I used it for
maybe 15 minutes and bought the lifetime licence. At some point Ed made it
cross-platform and my lifetime licence was grandfathered so I can scan
using my Brother MFC from any of my Macs or PCs. Inarguably the best $100 I
ever spent on software!

RD

On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcast.n=
et>
wrote:

> Make sure your wireless is not set to public.  Don't ask me how I know.
>
> Mike
> On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:
>
> trying to copy some documentation on my tools and my scanner refuses to
> cooperate.  It used to work.  It's a HP m1217 nfw multifunction printer.
> I've reloaded all the proper up to date drivers
> run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. reset to factory settings..=
.
> tried several different scanner software packages including HPs version a=
nd
> everyone says it "Can Not Communicate with the scanner."
>
> Tried an online tech support outfit that said it was a virus preventing i=
t
> from working and for 250 bucks they would fix it... well, thanks but no
> thanks.  Ran several malware and virus programs and found one
> PUP file and removed it .  After that redid all above and same result...
> Hope someone can tech me up on this and get this piece of printer working
> again...and all other printer functions work fine
>
> thanks
>
> john
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the softwa=
re simply works! You can D/L it and see if/how it works. You&#39;ll get wat=
ermarks until you pay for it but you&#39;ll know it works before you do. It=
 was recommended=C2=A0by a friend on the editing=C2=A0list I&#39;ve been on=
 since the mid &#39;90s.=C2=A0I used it for maybe 15 minutes and bought the=
 lifetime licence.=C2=A0At some point=C2=A0Ed made it cross-platform and my=
 lifetime licence was grandfathered so I can scan using my Brother MFC from=
 any of my Macs or PCs. Inarguably=C2=A0the best $100 I ever spent on softw=
are!<div><br></div><div>RD</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM Mik=
e Sinclair &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net">phoenix722@comcast=
.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex">
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   =20
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    <p><font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Tahoma">Make sure your wireless is no=
t
          set to public.=C2=A0 Don&#39;t ask me how I know.</font></font></=
p>
    <p><font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Tahoma">Mike</font></font><br>
    </p>
    <div>On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
     =20
      <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">trying to copy some documentation on my
          tools and my scanner refuses to cooperate.=C2=A0 It used to work.=
=C2=A0
          It&#39;s a HP m1217 nfw multifunction printer.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve rel=
oaded all
          the proper up to date drivers</font></div>
      <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">run diagnostics on hardware and all is
          fine.. reset to factory settings... tried several different
          scanner software packages including HPs version and everyone
          says it &quot;Can Not=C2=A0Communicate with the scanner.&quot;</f=
ont></div>
      <div>=C2=A0</div>
      <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Tried an online tech support outfit
          that said it was a virus preventing it from working and for
          250 bucks they would fix it... well, thanks but no thanks.=C2=A0
          Ran several malware and virus programs and found one</font></div>
      <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">PUP file and removed it .=C2=A0 After th=
at
          redid all above and same result... Hope someone can tech me up
          on this and get this piece of printer working again...and all
          other printer functions work fine</font></div>
      <div>=C2=A0</div>
      <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
      <div>=C2=A0</div>
      <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
      <br>
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From: "john" <jniolon@att.net>
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did that at least a hundred times both restart and power off... even tried =
wifi=20
connected and usb=E2=80=A6
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j

=20

----- Original Message -----
From: John Mitchell <jmitch@snet.net>
To: john <jniolon@att.net>
Sent: 4/23/2023 4:41:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help



I know this will sound stupid, but try turning it off and on and then reboo=
ting=20
your computer.

On 4/23/2023 4:32 PM, john wrote:

trying to copy some documentation on my tools and my scanner refuses to=20
cooperate.  It used to work.  It's a HP m1217 nfw multifunction printer.  I=
've=20
reloaded all the proper up to date drivers
run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. reset to factory settings...=
=20
tried several different scanner software packages including HPs version and=
=20
everyone says it "Can Not Communicate with the scanner."
=20
Tried an online tech support outfit that said it was a virus preventing it =
from=20
working and for 250 bucks they would fix it... well, thanks but no thanks. =
 Ran=20
several malware and virus programs and found one
PUP file and removed it .  After that redid all above and same result... Ho=
pe=20
someone can tech me up on this and get this piece of printer working=20
again...and all other printer functions work fine
=20
thanks
=20
john

=20
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<P>I know this will sound stupid, but try turning it off and on and then re=
booting your computer.<BR></P>
<DIV class=3Dmoz-cite-prefix>On 4/23/2023 4:32 PM, john wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">trying to copy some documentation on my tools =
and my scanner refuses to cooperate.&nbsp; It used to work.&nbsp; It's a HP=
 m1217 nfw multifunction printer.&nbsp; I've reloaded all the proper up to =
date drivers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. =
reset to factory settings... tried several different scanner software packa=
ges including HPs version and everyone says it "Can Not&nbsp;Communicate wi=
th the scanner."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Tried an online tech support outfit that said =
it was a virus preventing it from working and for 250 bucks they would fix =
it... well, thanks but no thanks.&nbsp; Ran several malware and virus progr=
ams and found one</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">PUP file and removed it .&nbsp; After that red=
id all above and same result... Hope someone can tech me up on this and get=
 this piece of printer working again...and all other printer functions work=
 fine</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">john</FONT></DIV><BR>
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VueScan for my first choice... same as all the others
=20
j

=20

----- Original Message -----
From: Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
To: Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcast.net>
Cc: <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: 4/23/2023 7:09:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help



Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the software simply works! =
You=20
can D/L it and see if/how it works.=20
You'll get watermarks until you pay for it but you'll know it works before =
you=20
do. It was recommended by a friend on the editing list=20
I've been on since the mid '90s. I used it for maybe 15 minutes and bought =
the=20
lifetime licence. At some point Ed made it cross-platform and my lifetime=
=20
licence was grandfathered so I can scan using my Brother MFC from any of my=
=20
Macs or PCs. Inarguably the best $100 I ever spent on software!=20


RD


On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcast.n=
et> wrote:

Make sure your wireless is not set to public. =20
Don't ask me how I know.
Mike

On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:

trying to copy some documentation on my tools and my scanner refuses to coo=
perate.  It used to work.  It's=20
a HP m1217 nfw multifunction printer.  I've reloaded all the proper up to d=
ate drivers
run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. reset to factory settings... =
tried several different scanner software packages including HPs version and=
 everyone says it "Can Not Communicate with the scanner."
=20
Tried an online tech support outfit that said it was a virus preventing it =
from working and for 250 bucks they would fix it... well, thanks but no tha=
nks.  Ran several malware and virus programs and found one
PUP file and removed it .  After that redid all above and same result... Ho=
pe someone can tech me up on this and get this piece of printer working aga=
in...and all other printer functions work fine
=20
thanks
=20
john

=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">VueScan for my first choice... same as all the=
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">j</FONT></DIV>
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To:</B> Mike Sinclair &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net">phoenix=
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the software=
 simply works! You can D/L it and see if/how it works. You'll get watermark=
s until you pay for it but you'll know it works before you do. It was recom=
mended&nbsp;by a friend on the editing&nbsp;list I've been on since the mid=
 '90s.&nbsp;I used it for maybe 15 minutes and bought the lifetime licence.=
&nbsp;At some point&nbsp;Ed made it cross-platform and my lifetime licence =
was grandfathered so I can scan using my Brother MFC from any of my Macs or=
 PCs. Inarguably&nbsp;the best $100 I ever spent on software!=20
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>RD</DIV></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM M=
ike Sinclair &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net">phoenix722@comca=
st.net</A>&gt; wrote:<BR></DIV>
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b(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<DIV bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DTahoma>Make sure your wireless is not set to=
 public.&nbsp; Don't ask me how I know.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DTahoma>Mike</FONT></FONT><BR></P>
<DIV>On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">trying to copy some documentation on my tools =
and my scanner refuses to cooperate.&nbsp; It used to work.&nbsp; It's a HP=
 m1217 nfw multifunction printer.&nbsp; I've reloaded all the proper up to =
date drivers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. =
reset to factory settings... tried several different scanner software packa=
ges including HPs version and everyone says it "Can Not&nbsp;Communicate wi=
th the scanner."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Tried an online tech support outfit that said =
it was a virus preventing it from working and for 250 bucks they would fix =
it... well, thanks but no thanks.&nbsp; Ran several malware and virus progr=
ams and found one</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">PUP file and removed it .&nbsp; After that red=
id all above and same result... Hope someone can tech me up on this and get=
 this piece of printer working again...and all other printer functions work=
 fine</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">john</FONT></DIV><BR>
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Is it USB connected? Maybe (assuming you ha=
ven=E2=80=99t already done so) try a different cable? Grasping at straws=E2=80=
=A6<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Tom Coradeschi<div>tjcora@icloud.com</div></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM,=
 john &lt;jniolon@att.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<meta name=3D"GENERATOR" content=3D"MSHTML 11.00.10570.1001">

<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">VueScan for my first choice... same as all the o=
thers</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">j</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<blockquote style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0.=
5em; BORDER-LEFT: #c7e5ff 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.5em; PADDING-RIGH=
T: 0px">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>-=
---- Original Message -----</b></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>From:=
</b> Ronnie Day &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ronnie.day@gmail.com">ronnie.day@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>T=
o:</b> Mike Sinclair &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net">phoenix72=
2@comcast.net</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>C=
c:</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.=
net</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>S=
ent:</b> 4/23/2023 7:09:35 PM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>S=
ubject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help</div>
<hr style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 1px; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none=
; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; COLOR: #ccc; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BACKGRO=
UND-COLOR: #ccc">

<div dir=3D"ltr">Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the softwar=
e simply works! You can D/L it and see if/how it works. You'll get watermark=
s until you pay for it but you'll know it works before you do. It was recomm=
ended&nbsp;by a friend on the editing&nbsp;list I've been on since the mid '=
90s.&nbsp;I used it for maybe 15 minutes and bought the lifetime licence.&nb=
sp;At some point&nbsp;Ed made it cross-platform and my lifetime licence was g=
randfathered so I can scan using my Brother MFC from any of my Macs or PCs. I=
narguably&nbsp;the best $100 I ever spent on software!=20
<div><br></div>
<div>RD</div></div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AFP=
M Mike Sinclair &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net">phoenix722@com=
cast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT: r=
gb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<p><font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Tahoma">Make sure your wireless is not set=
 to public.&nbsp; Don't ask me how I know.</font></font></p>
<p><font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Tahoma">Mike</font></font><br></p>
<div>On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">trying to copy some documentation on my tools a=
nd my scanner refuses to cooperate.&nbsp; It used to work.&nbsp; It's a HP m=
1217 nfw multifunction printer.&nbsp; I've reloaded all the proper up to dat=
e drivers</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. r=
eset to factory settings... tried several different scanner software package=
s including HPs version and everyone says it "Can Not&nbsp;Communicate with t=
he scanner."</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Tried an online tech support outfit that said i=
t was a virus preventing it from working and for 250 bucks they would fix it=
... well, thanks but no thanks.&nbsp; Ran several malware and virus programs=
 and found one</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">PUP file and removed it .&nbsp; After that redi=
d all above and same result... Hope someone can tech me up on this and get t=
his piece of printer working again...and all other printer functions work fi=
ne</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div><br>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 08:37:31 -0400
To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
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Assuming Windows, have you tried removing it from your printers list and
letting the system reinstall it?

On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 08:14 Tom Coradeschi <tjcora@icloud.com> wrote:

> Is it USB connected? Maybe (assuming you haven=E2=80=99t already done so)=
 try a
> different cable? Grasping at straws=E2=80=A6
>
> Tom Coradeschi
> tjcora@icloud.com
>
> On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM, john <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> VueScan for my first choice... same as all the others
>
> j
>
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
> *To:* Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcast.net>
> *Cc:* <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* 4/23/2023 7:09:35 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help
> ------------------------------
> Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the software simply works=
!
> You can D/L it and see if/how it works. You'll get watermarks until you p=
ay
> for it but you'll know it works before you do. It was recommended by a
> friend on the editing list I've been on since the mid '90s. I used it for
> maybe 15 minutes and bought the lifetime licence. At some point Ed made i=
t
> cross-platform and my lifetime licence was grandfathered so I can scan
> using my Brother MFC from any of my Macs or PCs. Inarguably the best $100=
 I
> ever spent on software!
>
> RD
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcast=
.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Make sure your wireless is not set to public.  Don't ask me how I know.
>>
>> Mike
>> On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:
>>
>> trying to copy some documentation on my tools and my scanner refuses to
>> cooperate.  It used to work.  It's a HP m1217 nfw multifunction printer.
>> I've reloaded all the proper up to date drivers
>> run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. reset to factory
>> settings... tried several different scanner software packages including =
HPs
>> version and everyone says it "Can Not Communicate with the scanner."
>>
>> Tried an online tech support outfit that said it was a virus preventing
>> it from working and for 250 bucks they would fix it... well, thanks but =
no
>> thanks.  Ran several malware and virus programs and found one
>> PUP file and removed it .  After that redid all above and same result...
>> Hope someone can tech me up on this and get this piece of printer workin=
g
>> again...and all other printer functions work fine
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> john
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"auto">Assuming Windows, have you tried removing it from your pr=
inters list and letting the system reinstall it?</div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 08:14=
 Tom Coradeschi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tjcora@icloud.com">tjcora@icloud.com<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Is=
 it USB connected? Maybe (assuming you haven=E2=80=99t already done so) try=
 a different cable? Grasping at straws=E2=80=A6<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Tom=
 Coradeschi<div><a href=3D"mailto:tjcora@icloud.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">tjcora@icloud.com</a></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM, john &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:jniolon@att.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">jniolon@att.net</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF


<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">VueScan for my first choice... same as all the=
 others</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">j</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0.5em;=
BORDER-LEFT:#c7e5ff 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.5em;PADDING-RIGHT:0px">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>From:</b> Ronnie Day &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ronnie.day@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">ronnie.day@gmail.com</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>To:</b> Mike Sinclair &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">phoenix722@comcast.net</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>Cc:</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank=
" rel=3D"noreferrer">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>Sent:</b> 4/23/2023 7:09:35 PM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help</div>
<hr style=3D"BORDER-TOP:medium none;HEIGHT:1px;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;BOR=
DER-BOTTOM:medium none;COLOR:#ccc;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
#ccc">

<div dir=3D"ltr">Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the softwa=
re simply works! You can D/L it and see if/how it works. You&#39;ll get wat=
ermarks until you pay for it but you&#39;ll know it works before you do. It=
 was recommended=C2=A0by a friend on the editing=C2=A0list I&#39;ve been on=
 since the mid &#39;90s.=C2=A0I used it for maybe 15 minutes and bought the=
 lifetime licence.=C2=A0At some point=C2=A0Ed made it cross-platform and my=
 lifetime licence was grandfathered so I can scan using my Brother MFC from=
 any of my Macs or PCs. Inarguably=C2=A0the best $100 I ever spent on softw=
are!=20
<div><br></div>
<div>RD</div></div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AF=
PM Mike Sinclair &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">phoenix722@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb=
(204,204,204) 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<p><font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Tahoma">Make sure your wireless is not se=
t to public.=C2=A0 Don&#39;t ask me how I know.</font></font></p>
<p><font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Tahoma">Mike</font></font><br></p>
<div>On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">trying to copy some documentation on my tools =
and my scanner refuses to cooperate.=C2=A0 It used to work.=C2=A0 It&#39;s =
a HP m1217 nfw multifunction printer.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve reloaded all the prope=
r up to date drivers</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. =
reset to factory settings... tried several different scanner software packa=
ges including HPs version and everyone says it &quot;Can Not=C2=A0Communica=
te with the scanner.&quot;</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Tried an online tech support outfit that said =
it was a virus preventing it from working and for 250 bucks they would fix =
it... well, thanks but no thanks.=C2=A0 Ran several malware and virus progr=
ams and found one</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">PUP file and removed it .=C2=A0 After that red=
id all above and same result... Hope someone can tech me up on this and get=
 this piece of printer working again...and all other printer functions work=
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From: "john" <jniolon@att.net>
To: "Jeff Scarbrough" <fishplate@gmail.com>,
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Yep...tried that too..=20
I've tried everything I can think of short of dumping the toner cartridge a=
nd refilling it
=20
=20
that's=20
why=20
I'm calling on the brain trust here !!!=20
=20
john
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: 4/24/2023 7:37:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help



Assuming Windows, have you tried removing it from your printers list and le=
tting the system reinstall it?


On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 08:14 Tom Coradeschi <tjcora@icloud.com> wrote:

Is it USB connected? Maybe (assuming you haven=E2=80=99t already done so) t=
ry a different cable? Grasping at straws=E2=80=A6


Tom Coradeschi=20
tjcora@icloud.com


On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM, john <jniolon@att.net> wrote:


=EF=BB=BF=20
VueScan for my first choice... same as all the others
=20
j
=20
----- Original Message -----
From: Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
To: Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcast.net>
Cc: <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: 4/23/2023 7:09:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help



Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the software simply works! =
You can D/L it and see if/how it works. You'll=20
get watermarks until you pay for it but=20
you'll know it works before you do. It was recommended by a friend on the e=
diting list I've=20
been on since the mid=20
'90s. I used it for maybe 15 minutes and bought the lifetime licence. At so=
me point Ed made it cross-platform and my lifetime licence was grandfathere=
d so I can scan using my Brother MFC from any of my Macs or PCs. Inarguably=
 the best $100 I ever spent on software!=20


RD


On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcast.n=
et> wrote:

Make sure your wireless is not set to public.  Don't=20
ask me how I know.
Mike

On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:

trying to copy some documentation on my tools and my scanner refuses to=20
cooperate.  It used to work.  It's a HP m1217 nfw multifunction printer.  I=
've=20
reloaded all the proper up to date drivers
run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. reset to factory settings...=
=20
tried several different scanner software packages including HPs version and=
=20
everyone says it "Can Not Communicate with the scanner."
=20
Tried an online tech support outfit that said it was a virus preventing it =
from=20
working and for 250 bucks they would fix it... well, thanks but no thanks. =
 Ran=20
several malware and virus programs and found one
PUP file and removed it .  After that redid all above and same result... Ho=
pe=20
someone can tech me up on this and get this piece of printer working=20
again...and all other printer functions work fine
=20
thanks
=20
john

=20
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so) try a different cable? Grasping at straws=E2=80=A6<BR><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM, john &lt;<A href=3D=
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A>&gt; wrote:<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">VueScan for my first choice... same as all the=
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From:</B> Ronnie Day &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:ronnie.day@gmail.com" rel=3Dnore=
ferrer target=3D_blank>ronnie.day@gmail.com</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><B>=
To:</B> Mike Sinclair &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net" rel=3Dn=
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the software=
 simply works! You can D/L it and see if/how it works. You'll get watermark=
s until you pay for it but you'll know it works before you do. It was recom=
mended&nbsp;by a friend on the editing&nbsp;list I've been on since the mid=
 '90s.&nbsp;I used it for maybe 15 minutes and bought the lifetime licence.=
&nbsp;At some point&nbsp;Ed made it cross-platform and my lifetime licence =
was grandfathered so I can scan using my Brother MFC from any of my Macs or=
 PCs. Inarguably&nbsp;the best $100 I ever spent on software!=20
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>RD</DIV></DIV><BR>
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<DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM M=
ike Sinclair &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net" rel=3Dnoreferrer=
 target=3D_blank>phoenix722@comcast.net</A>&gt; wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DTahoma>Make sure your wireless is not set to=
 public.&nbsp; Don't ask me how I know.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DTahoma>Mike</FONT></FONT><BR></P>
<DIV>On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">trying to copy some documentation on my tools =
and my scanner refuses to cooperate.&nbsp; It used to work.&nbsp; It's a HP=
 m1217 nfw multifunction printer.&nbsp; I've reloaded all the proper up to =
date drivers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. =
reset to factory settings... tried several different scanner software packa=
ges including HPs version and everyone says it "Can Not&nbsp;Communicate wi=
th the scanner."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Tried an online tech support outfit that said =
it was a virus preventing it from working and for 250 bucks they would fix =
it... well, thanks but no thanks.&nbsp; Ran several malware and virus progr=
ams and found one</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">PUP file and removed it .&nbsp; After that red=
id all above and same result... Hope someone can tech me up on this and get=
 this piece of printer working again...and all other printer functions work=
 fine</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">john</FONT></DIV><BR>
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I think I deleted the source of this so my apologies if this is 
redundant, but...  Did you try plugging the scanner into a different 
computer?  I know, you shouldn't -need- to do that, but I had a scanner 
gunny-sack between infrequent uses once, and it took a while to figure 
it the problem wasn't just microsoft-software-update-induced.

Good luck,

rkg

(Richard George)

On 4/24/2023 5:37 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
> Assuming Windows, have you tried removing it from your printers list 
> and letting the system reinstall it?
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 08:14 Tom Coradeschi <tjcora@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>     Is it USB connected? Maybe (assuming you haven’t already done so)
>     try a different cable? Grasping at straws…
>
>     Tom Coradeschi
>     tjcora@icloud.com
>
>>     On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM, john <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>     ﻿
>>     VueScan for my first choice... same as all the others
>>     j
>>
>>         *----- Original Message -----*
>>         *From:* Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
>>         *To:* Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcast.net>
>>         *Cc:* <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
>>         *Sent:* 4/23/2023 7:09:35 PM
>>         *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help
>>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>         Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the software
>>         simply works! You can D/L it and see if/how it works. You'll
>>         get watermarks until you pay for it but you'll know it works
>>         before you do. It was recommended by a friend on the
>>         editing list I've been on since the mid '90s. I used it for
>>         maybe 15 minutes and bought the lifetime licence. At some
>>         point Ed made it cross-platform and my lifetime licence was
>>         grandfathered so I can scan using my Brother MFC from any of
>>         my Macs or PCs. Inarguably the best $100 I ever spent on
>>         software!
>>
>>         RD
>>
>>         On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06 PM Mike Sinclair
>>         <phoenix722@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>             Make sure your wireless is not set to public.  Don't ask
>>             me how I know.
>>
>>             Mike
>>
>>             On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:
>>>             trying to copy some documentation on my tools and my
>>>             scanner refuses to cooperate.  It used to work. It's a
>>>             HP m1217 nfw multifunction printer.  I've reloaded all
>>>             the proper up to date drivers
>>>             run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. reset to
>>>             factory settings... tried several different scanner
>>>             software packages including HPs version and everyone
>>>             says it "Can Not Communicate with the scanner."
>>>             Tried an online tech support outfit that said it was a
>>>             virus preventing it from working and for 250 bucks they
>>>             would fix it... well, thanks but no thanks.  Ran several
>>>             malware and virus programs and found one
>>>             PUP file and removed it .  After that redid all above
>>>             and same result... Hope someone can tech me up on this
>>>             and get this piece of printer working again...and all
>>>             other printer functions work fine
>>>             thanks
>>>             john
>>>
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    <p>I think I deleted the source of this so my apologies if this is
      redundant, but...  Did you try plugging the scanner into a
      different computer?  I know, you shouldn't -need- to do that, but
      I had a scanner gunny-sack between infrequent uses once, and it
      took a while to figure it the problem wasn't just
      microsoft-software-update-induced.</p>
    <p>Good luck,</p>
    <p>rkg</p>
    <p>(Richard George)<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/24/2023 5:37 AM, Jeff Scarbrough
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAO8Q7CNxAijSEbOfLyejU11kca7_hb0g3D12r3b=pi6cyTBhJw@mail.gmail.com">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      <div dir="auto">Assuming Windows, have you tried removing it from
        your printers list and letting the system reinstall it?</div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 08:14
          Tom Coradeschi &lt;<a href="mailto:tjcora@icloud.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tjcora@icloud.com</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
          <div dir="auto">Is it USB connected? Maybe (assuming you
            haven’t already done so) try a different cable? Grasping at
            straws…<br>
            <br>
            <div dir="ltr">Tom Coradeschi
              <div><a href="mailto:tjcora@icloud.com" target="_blank"
                  rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tjcora@icloud.com</a></div>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
              <blockquote type="cite">On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM, john
                &lt;<a href="mailto:jniolon@att.net" target="_blank"
                  rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jniolon@att.net</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
                <br>
              </blockquote>
            </div>
            <blockquote type="cite">
              <div dir="ltr">﻿
                <div><font face="Segoe UI">VueScan for my first
                    choice... same as all the others</font></div>
                <div> </div>
                <div><font face="Segoe UI">j</font></div>
                <div> </div>
                <blockquote
style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0.5em;BORDER-LEFT:#c7e5ff
                  1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.5em;PADDING-RIGHT:0px">
                  <div style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe
                    UI';COLOR:#000000"><b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
                  <div style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe
                    UI';COLOR:#000000"><b>From:</b> Ronnie Day &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:ronnie.day@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                      rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ronnie.day@gmail.com</a>&gt;</div>
                  <div style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe
                    UI';COLOR:#000000"><b>To:</b> Mike Sinclair &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">phoenix722@comcast.net</a>&gt;</div>
                  <div style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe
                    UI';COLOR:#000000"><b>Cc:</b> &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</div>
                  <div style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe
                    UI';COLOR:#000000"><b>Sent:</b> 4/23/2023 7:09:35 PM</div>
                  <div style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe
                    UI';COLOR:#000000"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk]
                    scanner help</div>
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                  <div dir="ltr">Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible
                    guy and the software simply works! You can D/L it
                    and see if/how it works. You'll get watermarks until
                    you pay for it but you'll know it works before you
                    do. It was recommended by a friend on the
                    editing list I've been on since the mid '90s. I used
                    it for maybe 15 minutes and bought the lifetime
                    licence. At some point Ed made it cross-platform and
                    my lifetime licence was grandfathered so I can scan
                    using my Brother MFC from any of my Macs or PCs.
                    Inarguably the best $100 I ever spent on software!
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>RD</div>
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                  <br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">
                    <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sun, Apr 23,
                      2023 at 5:06 PM Mike Sinclair &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">phoenix722@comcast.net</a>&gt;
                      wrote:<br>
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                      style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204)
                      1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
                      <div bgcolor="#ffffff">
                        <p><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma">Make sure
                              your wireless is not set to public.  Don't
                              ask me how I know.</font></font></p>
                        <p><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma">Mike</font></font><br>
                        </p>
                        <div>On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:<br>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote type="cite">
                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">trying to copy some
                              documentation on my tools and my scanner
                              refuses to cooperate.  It used to work. 
                              It's a HP m1217 nfw multifunction
                              printer.  I've reloaded all the proper up
                              to date drivers</font></div>
                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">run diagnostics on
                              hardware and all is fine.. reset to
                              factory settings... tried several
                              different scanner software packages
                              including HPs version and everyone says it
                              "Can Not Communicate with the scanner."</font></div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">Tried an online
                              tech support outfit that said it was a
                              virus preventing it from working and for
                              250 bucks they would fix it... well,
                              thanks but no thanks.  Ran several malware
                              and virus programs and found one</font></div>
                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">PUP file and
                              removed it .  After that redid all above
                              and same result... Hope someone can tech
                              me up on this and get this piece of
                              printer working again...and all other
                              printer functions work fine</font></div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">john</font></div>
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From: Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 12:33:36 -0500
To: Richard George <rkg@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help
Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net
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Asking for clarification - Are you having trouble printing or scanning? I
thought the problem was scanning. If it's not printing, try connecting the
printer directly to the computer. Also PC or Mac? There are different
protocols for each platform.

On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 11:47=E2=80=AFAM Richard George <rkg@teleport.com> =
wrote:

> I think I deleted the source of this so my apologies if this is redundant=
,
> but...  Did you try plugging the scanner into a different computer?  I
> know, you shouldn't -need- to do that, but I had a scanner gunny-sack
> between infrequent uses once, and it took a while to figure it the proble=
m
> wasn't just microsoft-software-update-induced.
>
> Good luck,
>
> rkg
>
> (Richard George)
> On 4/24/2023 5:37 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
>
> Assuming Windows, have you tried removing it from your printers list and
> letting the system reinstall it?
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 08:14 Tom Coradeschi <tjcora@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>> Is it USB connected? Maybe (assuming you haven=E2=80=99t already done so=
) try a
>> different cable? Grasping at straws=E2=80=A6
>>
>> Tom Coradeschi
>> tjcora@icloud.com
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM, john <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> VueScan for my first choice... same as all the others
>>
>> j
>>
>>
>> *----- Original Message -----*
>> *From:* Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
>> *To:* Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcast.net>
>> *Cc:* <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
>> *Sent:* 4/23/2023 7:09:35 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help
>> ------------------------------
>> Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the software simply
>> works! You can D/L it and see if/how it works. You'll get watermarks unt=
il
>> you pay for it but you'll know it works before you do. It was
>> recommended by a friend on the editing list I've been on since the mid
>> '90s. I used it for maybe 15 minutes and bought the lifetime licence. At
>> some point Ed made it cross-platform and my lifetime licence was
>> grandfathered so I can scan using my Brother MFC from any of my Macs or
>> PCs. Inarguably the best $100 I ever spent on software!
>>
>> RD
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcas=
t.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Make sure your wireless is not set to public.  Don't ask me how I know.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:
>>>
>>> trying to copy some documentation on my tools and my scanner refuses to
>>> cooperate.  It used to work.  It's a HP m1217 nfw multifunction printer=
.
>>> I've reloaded all the proper up to date drivers
>>> run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. reset to factory
>>> settings... tried several different scanner software packages including=
 HPs
>>> version and everyone says it "Can Not Communicate with the scanner."
>>>
>>> Tried an online tech support outfit that said it was a virus preventing
>>> it from working and for 250 bucks they would fix it... well, thanks but=
 no
>>> thanks.  Ran several malware and virus programs and found one
>>> PUP file and removed it .  After that redid all above and same result..=
.
>>> Hope someone can tech me up on this and get this piece of printer worki=
ng
>>> again...and all other printer functions work fine
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> john
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Asking for clarification=C2=A0- Are you having trouble pri=
nting or scanning? I thought the problem was scanning. If it&#39;s not prin=
ting, try connecting the printer directly to the computer. Also PC or Mac? =
There are different protocols=C2=A0for each platform.</div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 24, 2023=
 at 11:47=E2=80=AFAM Richard George &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rkg@teleport.com"=
>rkg@teleport.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p=
adding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    <p>I think I deleted the source of this so my apologies if this is
      redundant, but...=C2=A0 Did you try plugging the scanner into a
      different computer?=C2=A0 I know, you shouldn&#39;t -need- to do that=
, but
      I had a scanner gunny-sack between infrequent uses once, and it
      took a while to figure it the problem wasn&#39;t just
      microsoft-software-update-induced.</p>
    <p>Good luck,</p>
    <p>rkg</p>
    <p>(Richard George)<br>
    </p>
    <div>On 4/24/2023 5:37 AM, Jeff Scarbrough
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"auto">Assuming Windows, have you tried removing it from
        your printers list and letting the system reinstall it?</div>
      <br>
      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 08:14
          Tom Coradeschi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tjcora@icloud.com" target=3D=
"_blank">tjcora@icloud.com</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div dir=3D"auto">Is it USB connected? Maybe (assuming you
            haven=E2=80=99t already done so) try a different cable? Graspin=
g at
            straws=E2=80=A6<br>
            <br>
            <div dir=3D"ltr">Tom Coradeschi
              <div><a href=3D"mailto:tjcora@icloud.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">tjcora@icloud.com</a></div>
            </div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
              <blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM, john
                &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@att.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" t=
arget=3D"_blank">jniolon@att.net</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
                <br>
              </blockquote>
            </div>
            <blockquote type=3D"cite">
              <div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
                <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">VueScan for my first
                    choice... same as all the others</font></div>
                <div>=C2=A0</div>
                <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">j</font></div>
                <div>=C2=A0</div>
                <blockquote style=3D"padding:0px 0px 0px 0.5em;border-left:=
1px solid rgb(199,229,255);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.5em">
                  <div><b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
                  <div><b>From:</b> Ronnie Day &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ronnie=
.day@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ronnie.day@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;</div>
                  <div><b>To:</b> Mike Sinclair &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phoen=
ix722@comcast.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">phoenix722@comcast.=
net</a>&gt;</div>
                  <div><b>Cc:</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.tea=
m.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt=
;</div>
                  <div><b>Sent:</b> 4/23/2023 7:09:35 PM</div>
                  <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk]
                    scanner help</div>
                  <hr style=3D"border-width:medium;border-style:none;border=
-color:initial;height:1px;color:rgb(204,204,204);background-color:rgb(204,2=
04,204)">
                  <div dir=3D"ltr">Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible
                    guy and the software simply works! You can D/L it
                    and see if/how it works. You&#39;ll get watermarks unti=
l
                    you pay for it but you&#39;ll know it works before you
                    do. It was recommended=C2=A0by a friend on the
                    editing=C2=A0list I&#39;ve been on since the mid &#39;9=
0s.=C2=A0I used
                    it for maybe 15 minutes and bought the lifetime
                    licence.=C2=A0At some point=C2=A0Ed made it cross-platf=
orm and
                    my lifetime licence was grandfathered so I can scan
                    using my Brother MFC from any of my Macs or PCs.
                    Inarguably=C2=A0the best $100 I ever spent on software!
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>RD</div>
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                    <div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Apr 23,
                      2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM Mike Sinclair &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">phoenix=
722@comcast.net</a>&gt;
                      wrote:<br>
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                      <div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
                        <p><font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Tahoma">Make sure
                              your wireless is not set to public.=C2=A0 Don=
&#39;t
                              ask me how I know.</font></font></p>
                        <p><font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Tahoma">Mike</fon=
t></font><br>
                        </p>
                        <div>On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:<br>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote type=3D"cite">
                          <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">trying to copy some
                              documentation on my tools and my scanner
                              refuses to cooperate.=C2=A0 It used to work.=
=C2=A0
                              It&#39;s a HP m1217 nfw multifunction
                              printer.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve reloaded all the prop=
er up
                              to date drivers</font></div>
                          <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">run diagnostics on
                              hardware and all is fine.. reset to
                              factory settings... tried several
                              different scanner software packages
                              including HPs version and everyone says it
                              &quot;Can Not=C2=A0Communicate with the scann=
er.&quot;</font></div>
                          <div>=C2=A0</div>
                          <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Tried an online
                              tech support outfit that said it was a
                              virus preventing it from working and for
                              250 bucks they would fix it... well,
                              thanks but no thanks.=C2=A0 Ran several malwa=
re
                              and virus programs and found one</font></div>
                          <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">PUP file and
                              removed it .=C2=A0 After that redid all above
                              and same result... Hope someone can tech
                              me up on this and get this piece of
                              printer working again...and all other
                              printer functions work fine</font></div>
                          <div>=C2=A0</div>
                          <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
                          <div>=C2=A0</div>
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re: '... everyone says it "Can Not Communicate with the scanner."'

'Everyone?' Presumably, this is a message displayed on your computer? If 
it's a message displayed on the MFD, if it has a display, then it's an 
issue internal to the device.

I used to be a disciple of HP quality; after all, I worked for HP for 
over 13 years (and got employee discounts). But, after a series of 
failures I started buying my printers/MFDs from Canon, and have been 
happy with the performance, quality and service for a couple decades. 
HP's once-legendary quality went down the crapper when, 
'coincidentally,' Carly Fiorina was given the reins, and the 
battle-hardened, bureaucratic infighters from Compaq took control. Case 
in point: Arguably the most popular handheld calculator--at least with 
financial types--is the HP12C. I've purchased, over the years, 5 or 6 of 
them but the last couple I bought were all but unusable. The newer ones' 
keys were so stiff you had to mash them really hard and you'd get 
unintentional repeats; e.g. you press '0,' and get '00000.' They're now 
collecting dust and the older models are still serving me well.

I think you have to byte[sic] the bullet and put your $250 towards a new 
printer/MFD (esp. if *you didn't change anything* and the printer 
started acting-up on its own; communications chips do fail 
occasionally). Canon's good, but I've heard good things about Epson as well.

Bob


On 4/24/2023 9:03 AM, john wrote:
> Yep...tried that too.. I've tried everything I can think of short of 
> dumping the toner cartridge and refilling it
> that's why//I'm calling on the brain trust here !!! Slightly Smiling Face
> john
>
>     *----- Original Message -----*
>     *From:* Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
>     *To:* shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
>     *Sent:* 4/24/2023 7:37:31 AM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Assuming Windows, have you tried removing it from your printers
>     list and letting the system reinstall it?
>
>     On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 08:14 Tom Coradeschi <tjcora@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>         Is it USB connected? Maybe (assuming you haven’t already done
>         so) try a different cable? Grasping at straws…
>
>         Tom Coradeschi
>         tjcora@icloud.com
>
>>         On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM, john <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>         ﻿
>>         VueScan for my first choice... same as all the others
>>         j
>>
>>             *----- Original Message -----*
>>             *From:* Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
>>             *To:* Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcast.net>
>>             *Cc:* <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
>>             *Sent:* 4/23/2023 7:09:35 PM
>>             *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help
>>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>             Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the
>>             software simply works! You can D/L it and see if/how it
>>             works. You'll get watermarks until you pay for it but
>>             you'll know it works before you do. It was recommended by
>>             a friend on the editing list I've been on since the mid
>>             '90s. I used it for maybe 15 minutes and bought the
>>             lifetime licence. At some point Ed made it cross-platform
>>             and my lifetime licence was grandfathered so I can scan
>>             using my Brother MFC from any of my Macs or PCs.
>>             Inarguably the best $100 I ever spent on software!
>>
>>             RD
>>
>>             On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06 PM Mike Sinclair
>>             <phoenix722@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>                 Make sure your wireless is not set to public.  Don't
>>                 ask me how I know.
>>
>>                 Mike
>>
>>                 On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:
>>>                 trying to copy some documentation on my tools and my
>>>                 scanner refuses to cooperate.  It used to work. 
>>>                 It's a HP m1217 nfw multifunction printer.  I've
>>>                 reloaded all the proper up to date drivers
>>>                 run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. reset
>>>                 to factory settings... tried several different
>>>                 scanner software packages including HPs version and
>>>                 everyone says it "Can Not Communicate with the scanner."
>>>                 Tried an online tech support outfit that said it was
>>>                 a virus preventing it from working and for 250 bucks
>>>                 they would fix it... well, thanks but no thanks. 
>>>                 Ran several malware and virus programs and found one
>>>                 PUP file and removed it .  After that redid all
>>>                 above and same result... Hope someone can tech me up
>>>                 on this and get this piece of printer working
>>>                 again...and all other printer functions work fine
>>>                 thanks
>>>                 john
>>>

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    re: '... <font face="Segoe UI">everyone says it "Can
      Not Communicate with the scanner."'<br>
      <br>
      'Everyone?' Presumably, this is a message displayed on your
      computer? If it's a message displayed on the MFD, if it has a
      display, then it's an issue internal to the device.<br>
      <br>
      I used to be a disciple of HP quality; after all, I worked for HP
      for over 13 years (and got employee discounts). But, after a
      series of failures I started buying my printers/MFDs from Canon,
      and have been happy with the performance, quality and service for
      a couple decades. HP's once-legendary quality went down the
      crapper when, 'coincidentally,' Carly Fiorina was given the reins,
      and the battle-hardened, bureaucratic infighters from Compaq took
      control. Case in point: Arguably the most popular handheld
      calculator--at least with financial types--is the HP12C. I've
      purchased, over the years, 5 or 6 of them but the last couple I
      bought were all but unusable. The newer ones' keys were so stiff
      you had to mash them really hard and you'd get unintentional
      repeats; e.g. you press '0,' and get '00000.' They're now
      collecting dust and the older models are still serving me well.<br>
      <br>
      I think you have to byte[sic] the bullet and put your $250 towards
      a new printer/MFD (esp. if <b>you didn't change anything</b> and
      the printer started acting-up on its own; communications chips do
      fail occasionally). Canon's good, but I've heard good things about
      Epson as well.<br>
      <br>
      Bob<br>
      <br>
    </font><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/24/2023 9:03 AM, john wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
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      <div><font face="Segoe UI">Yep...tried that too.. I've tried
          everything I can think of short of dumping the toner cartridge
          and refilling it</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">that's why<em> </em>I'm calling on the
          brain trust here !!! <img style="BORDER-TOP: 0px; HEIGHT:
            24px; BORDER-RIGHT: 0px; WIDTH: 24px; BORDER-BOTTOM: 0px;
            BORDER-LEFT: 0px" alt="Slightly Smiling Face"
            src="cid:part1.eyXhMLjx.cPPjrVjx@comcast.net" class=""
            align="absMiddle"></font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">john</font></div>
      <blockquote style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px;
        PADDING-LEFT: 0.5em; BORDER-LEFT: #c7e5ff 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px
        0px 0px 0.5em; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
        <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR:
          #000000"><b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
        <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR:
          #000000"><b>From:</b> Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a
            href="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">fishplate@gmail.com</a>&gt;</div>
        <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR:
          #000000"><b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a> &lt;<a
            href="mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net"
            moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</div>
        <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR:
          #000000"><b>Sent:</b> 4/24/2023 7:37:31 AM</div>
        <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR:
          #000000"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help</div>
        <hr style="BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 1px; BORDER-RIGHT:
          medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; COLOR: #ccc;
          BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccc">
        <div>Assuming Windows, have you tried removing it from your
          printers list and letting the system reinstall it?</div>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">
          <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 08:14
            Tom Coradeschi &lt;<a href="mailto:tjcora@icloud.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tjcora@icloud.com</a>&gt;
            wrote:<br>
          </div>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex;
            BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
            <div>Is it USB connected? Maybe (assuming you haven’t
              already done so) try a different cable? Grasping at
              straws…<br>
              <br>
              <div dir="ltr">Tom Coradeschi
                <div><a href="mailto:tjcora@icloud.com" rel="noreferrer"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tjcora@icloud.com</a></div>
              </div>
              <div dir="ltr"><br>
                <blockquote type="cite">On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM,
                  john &lt;<a href="mailto:jniolon@att.net"
                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jniolon@att.net</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                  <br>
                </blockquote>
              </div>
              <blockquote type="cite">
                <div dir="ltr">﻿
                  <div><font face="Segoe UI">VueScan for my first
                      choice... same as all the others</font></div>
                  <div> </div>
                  <div><font face="Segoe UI">j</font></div>
                  <div> </div>
                  <blockquote style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP:
                    0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0.5em; BORDER-LEFT: #c7e5ff 1px
                    solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.5em; PADDING-RIGHT:
                    0px">
                    <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe
                      UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>----- Original Message
                        -----</b></div>
                    <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe
                      UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>From:</b> Ronnie Day &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:ronnie.day@gmail.com"
                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ronnie.day@gmail.com</a>&gt;</div>
                    <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe
                      UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>To:</b> Mike Sinclair &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net"
                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">phoenix722@comcast.net</a>&gt;</div>
                    <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe
                      UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>Cc:</b> &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"
                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</div>
                    <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe
                      UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>Sent:</b> 4/23/2023
                      7:09:35 PM</div>
                    <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe
                      UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>Subject:</b> Re:
                      [Shop-talk] scanner help</div>
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                    <div dir="ltr">Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an
                      incredible guy and the software simply works! You
                      can D/L it and see if/how it works. You'll get
                      watermarks until you pay for it but you'll know it
                      works before you do. It was recommended by a
                      friend on the editing list I've been on since the
                      mid '90s. I used it for maybe 15 minutes and
                      bought the lifetime licence. At some point Ed made
                      it cross-platform and my lifetime licence was
                      grandfathered so I can scan using my Brother MFC
                      from any of my Macs or PCs. Inarguably the best
                      $100 I ever spent on software!
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>RD</div>
                    </div>
                    <br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">
                      <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sun, Apr 23,
                        2023 at 5:06 PM Mike Sinclair &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net"
                          rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">phoenix722@comcast.net</a>&gt;
                        wrote:<br>
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                        <div bgcolor="#ffffff">
                          <p><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma">Make
                                sure your wireless is not set to
                                public.  Don't ask me how I know.</font></font></p>
                          <p><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma">Mike</font></font><br>
                          </p>
                          <div>On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:<br>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote type="cite">
                            <div><font face="Segoe UI">trying to copy
                                some documentation on my tools and my
                                scanner refuses to cooperate.  It used
                                to work.  It's a HP m1217 nfw
                                multifunction printer.  I've reloaded
                                all the proper up to date drivers</font></div>
                            <div><font face="Segoe UI">run diagnostics
                                on hardware and all is fine.. reset to
                                factory settings... tried several
                                different scanner software packages
                                including HPs version and everyone says
                                it "Can Not Communicate with the
                                scanner."</font></div>
                            <div> </div>
                            <div><font face="Segoe UI">Tried an online
                                tech support outfit that said it was a
                                virus preventing it from working and for
                                250 bucks they would fix it... well,
                                thanks but no thanks.  Ran several
                                malware and virus programs and found one</font></div>
                            <div><font face="Segoe UI">PUP file and
                                removed it .  After that redid all above
                                and same result... Hope someone can tech
                                me up on this and get this piece of
                                printer working again...and all other
                                printer functions work fine</font></div>
                            <div> </div>
                            <div><font face="Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
                            <div> </div>
                            <div><font face="Segoe UI">john</font></div>
                            <br>
                          </blockquote>
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Ronnie, thanks for replying.  First...=20
it's only scanner problems  all other printer function are fine.  This is a=
 Windows 10 desktop.  And I have tried both wi-fi and usb connected with sa=
me (no) results.. I've=20
tried different cables and different usb ports and different IP addresses. =
  I=20
worked with main frame computers and networks for 25 years (back when they =
were=20
coal fired ) and I know how to eliminate problems one at a time till you fi=
nd a=20
solution but this one has me baffled.  For one thing the scanning software=
=20
doesn't give you any error codes or description of problem, other than the =
cryptic "can not communicate with the scanner" message...  =20
=20
I'm=20
thinking maybe a virus or some malware flipped a switch somewhere inside th=
e=20
command stuff that I'm not smart enough to find... I've looked thru=20
installation logs and event viewer and with my limited knowledge I=20
don't see a problem.. that being said, the problem could be a big barn pain=
ted red and I'm=20
not smart enough to know what to see. =20
Don't have another pc to attach to and even then if it worked there it woul=
dn't=20
show me the problem on my box.   very frustrating
=20
you guys are throwing out all the proper tasks to find this but=20
I've already tried every suggestion before coming here...
=20
does anyone have knowledge of internal command files and stuff that could b=
e reloaded or fixed ??  most system files are hard to play with I know... b=
ut SOME thing ain't=20
working as it should, right=20
=20
=20
john

=20

----- Original Message -----
From: Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
To: Richard George <rkg@teleport.com>
Cc: <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: 4/24/2023 12:33:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help



Asking for clarification - Are you having trouble printing or scanning? I=
=20
thought the problem was scanning. If=20
it's not printing, try connecting the printer directly to the computer. Als=
o PC or Mac? There are different protocols for each platform.


On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 11:47=E2=80=AFAM Richard George <rkg@teleport.com> =
wrote:

I think I deleted the source of this so my apologies if this is redundant, =
but...  Did you try plugging the scanner into a different computer?  I know=
, you shouldn't=20
-need- to do that, but I had a scanner gunny-sack between infrequent uses o=
nce,=20
and it took a while to figure it the problem=20
wasn't just microsoft-software-update-induced.
Good luck,
rkg
(Richard George)

On 4/24/2023 5:37 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:

Assuming Windows, have you tried removing it from your printers list and le=
tting the system reinstall it?


On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 08:14 Tom Coradeschi <tjcora@icloud.com> wrote:

Is it USB connected? Maybe (assuming you haven=E2=80=99t already done so) t=
ry a different cable? Grasping at straws=E2=80=A6


Tom Coradeschi=20
tjcora@icloud.com


On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM, john <jniolon@att.net> wrote:


=EF=BB=BF=20
VueScan for my first choice... same as all the others
=20
j
=20
----- Original Message -----
From: Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
To: Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcast.net>
Cc: <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: 4/23/2023 7:09:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help



Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the software simply works! =
You can D/L it and see if/how it works. You'll=20
get watermarks until you pay for it but=20
you'll know it works before you do. It was recommended by a friend on the e=
diting list I've=20
been on since the mid=20
'90s. I used it for maybe 15 minutes and bought the lifetime licence. At so=
me point Ed made it cross-platform and my lifetime licence was grandfathere=
d so I can scan using my Brother MFC from any of my Macs or PCs. Inarguably=
 the best $100 I ever spent on software!=20


RD


On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcast.n=
et> wrote:

Make sure your wireless is not set to public.  Don't=20
ask me how I know.
Mike

On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:

trying to copy some documentation on my tools and my scanner refuses to=20
cooperate.  It used to work.  It's a HP m1217 nfw multifunction printer.  I=
've=20
reloaded all the proper up to date drivers
run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. reset to factory settings...=
=20
tried several different scanner software packages including HPs version and=
=20
everyone says it "Can Not Communicate with the scanner."
=20
Tried an online tech support outfit that said it was a virus preventing it =
from=20
working and for 250 bucks they would fix it... well, thanks but no thanks. =
 Ran=20
several malware and virus programs and found one
PUP file and removed it .  After that redid all above and same result... Ho=
pe=20
someone can tech me up on this and get this piece of printer working=20
again...and all other printer functions work fine
=20
thanks
=20
john

=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Ronnie, thanks for replying.&nbsp; First... it=
's only scanner problems&nbsp; all other printer function are fine.&nbsp; T=
his is a Windows 10 desktop.&nbsp; And I have tried both wi-fi and usb conn=
ected with same (no) results.. I've tried different cables and different us=
b ports and different IP addresses.&nbsp;&nbsp; I worked with main frame co=
mputers and networks for 25 years (back when they were coal fired <IMG styl=
e=3D"BORDER-TOP: 0px; HEIGHT: 24px; BORDER-RIGHT: 0px; WIDTH: 24px; BORDER-=
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iminate problems one at a time till you find a solution but this one has me=
 baffled.&nbsp; For one thing the scanning software doesn't give you any er=
ror codes or description of problem, other than the cryptic "can not commun=
icate with the scanner" message...&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">I'm thinking maybe a virus or some malware fli=
pped a switch somewhere inside the command stuff that I'm not smart enough =
to find... I've looked thru installation logs and event viewer and with my =
limited knowledge I don't see a problem.. that being said, the problem coul=
d be a big barn painted red and I'm not smart enough to know what to see.&n=
bsp; Don't have another pc to attach to and even then if it worked there it=
 wouldn't show me the problem on my box.&nbsp;&nbsp; very frustrating</FONT=
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">you guys are throwing out all the proper tasks=
 to find this but I've already tried every suggestion before coming here...=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">does anyone have knowledge of internal command=
 files and stuff that could be reloaded or fixed ??&nbsp; most system files=
 are hard to play with I know... but SOME thing ain't working as it should,=
 right </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">john</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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----- Original Message -----</B></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><B>=
From:</B> Ronnie Day &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:ronnie.day@gmail.com">ronnie.day=
@gmail.com</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><B>=
To:</B> Richard George &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:rkg@teleport.com">rkg@teleport=
=2Ecom</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><B>=
Cc:</B> &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.tea=
m.net</A>&gt;</DIV>
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Sent:</B> 4/24/2023 12:33:36 PM</DIV>
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Subject:</B> Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help</DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>Asking for clarification&nbsp;- Are you having trouble print=
ing or scanning? I thought the problem was scanning. If it's not printing, =
try connecting the printer directly to the computer. Also PC or Mac? There =
are different protocols&nbsp;for each platform.</DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 11:47=E2=80=AFAM =
Richard George &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:rkg@teleport.com">rkg@teleport.com</A>=
&gt; wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<P>I think I deleted the source of this so my apologies if this is redundan=
t, but...&nbsp; Did you try plugging the scanner into a different computer?=
&nbsp; I know, you shouldn't -need- to do that, but I had a scanner gunny-s=
ack between infrequent uses once, and it took a while to figure it the prob=
lem wasn't just microsoft-software-update-induced.</P>
<P>Good luck,</P>
<P>rkg</P>
<P>(Richard George)<BR></P>
<DIV>On 4/24/2023 5:37 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV>Assuming Windows, have you tried removing it from your printers list a=
nd letting the system reinstall it?</DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 08:14 Tom Coradesch=
i &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:tjcora@icloud.com" target=3D_blank>tjcora@icloud.co=
m</A>&gt; wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Is it USB connected? Maybe (assuming you haven=E2=80=99t already done =
so) try a different cable? Grasping at straws=E2=80=A6<BR><BR>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Tom Coradeschi=20
<DIV><A href=3D"mailto:tjcora@icloud.com" rel=3Dnoreferrer target=3D_blank>=
tjcora@icloud.com</A></DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM, john &lt;<A href=3D=
"mailto:jniolon@att.net" rel=3Dnoreferrer target=3D_blank>jniolon@att.net</=
A>&gt; wrote:<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV dir=3Dltr>=EF=BB=BF=20
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">VueScan for my first choice... same as all the=
 others</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">j</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>----- Original Message -----</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>From:</B> Ronnie Day &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:ronnie.day@gmail.com" re=
l=3Dnoreferrer target=3D_blank>ronnie.day@gmail.com</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> Mike Sinclair &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net"=
 rel=3Dnoreferrer target=3D_blank>phoenix722@comcast.net</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" rel=3Dnoref=
errer target=3D_blank>shop-talk@autox.team.net</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> 4/23/2023 7:09:35 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help</DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the software=
 simply works! You can D/L it and see if/how it works. You'll get watermark=
s until you pay for it but you'll know it works before you do. It was recom=
mended&nbsp;by a friend on the editing&nbsp;list I've been on since the mid=
 '90s.&nbsp;I used it for maybe 15 minutes and bought the lifetime licence.=
&nbsp;At some point&nbsp;Ed made it cross-platform and my lifetime licence =
was grandfathered so I can scan using my Brother MFC from any of my Macs or=
 PCs. Inarguably&nbsp;the best $100 I ever spent on software!=20
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>RD</DIV></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM M=
ike Sinclair &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net" rel=3Dnoreferrer=
 target=3D_blank>phoenix722@comcast.net</A>&gt; wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DTahoma>Make sure your wireless is not set to=
 public.&nbsp; Don't ask me how I know.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DTahoma>Mike</FONT></FONT><BR></P>
<DIV>On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">trying to copy some documentation on my tools =
and my scanner refuses to cooperate.&nbsp; It used to work.&nbsp; It's a HP=
 m1217 nfw multifunction printer.&nbsp; I've reloaded all the proper up to =
date drivers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. =
reset to factory settings... tried several different scanner software packa=
ges including HPs version and everyone says it "Can Not&nbsp;Communicate wi=
th the scanner."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Tried an online tech support outfit that said =
it was a virus preventing it from working and for 250 bucks they would fix =
it... well, thanks but no thanks.&nbsp; Ran several malware and virus progr=
ams and found one</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">PUP file and removed it .&nbsp; After that red=
id all above and same result... Hope someone can tech me up on this and get=
 this piece of printer working again...and all other printer functions work=
 fine</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">john</FONT></DIV><BR>
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Ah, HP calculators. Now you are speaking my=
 language. What I wouldn=E2=80=99t give (aside the insane prices I see for t=
hem online) for a working HP-41C/CV/CX.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Tom Co=
radeschi<div>tjcora@icloud.com</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite">On Apr 24, 2023, at 2:14 PM, Bob Spidell &lt;bspidell@comcast.n=
et&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
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    re: '... <font face=3D"Segoe UI">everyone says it "Can
      Not&nbsp;Communicate with the scanner."'<br>
      <br>
      'Everyone?' Presumably, this is a message displayed on your
      computer? If it's a message displayed on the MFD, if it has a
      display, then it's an issue internal to the device.<br>
      <br>
      I used to be a disciple of HP quality; after all, I worked for HP
      for over 13 years (and got employee discounts). But, after a
      series of failures I started buying my printers/MFDs from Canon,
      and have been happy with the performance, quality and service for
      a couple decades. HP's once-legendary quality went down the
      crapper when, 'coincidentally,' Carly Fiorina was given the reins,
      and the battle-hardened, bureaucratic infighters from Compaq took
      control. Case in point: Arguably the most popular handheld
      calculator--at least with financial types--is the HP12C. I've
      purchased, over the years, 5 or 6 of them but the last couple I
      bought were all but unusable. The newer ones' keys were so stiff
      you had to mash them really hard and you'd get unintentional
      repeats; e.g. you press '0,' and get '00000.' They're now
      collecting dust and the older models are still serving me well.<br>
      <br>
      I think you have to byte[sic] the bullet and put your $250 towards
      a new printer/MFD (esp. if <b>you didn't change anything</b> and
      the printer started acting-up on its own; communications chips do
      fail occasionally). Canon's good, but I've heard good things about
      Epson as well.<br>
      <br>
      Bob<br>
      <br>
    </font><br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 4/24/2023 9:03 AM, john wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:1UedxbJ5oU.5cImV69tsf0@johns-deskt=
op">
      <meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-=
8">
      <meta name=3D"GENERATOR" content=3D"MSHTML 11.00.10570.1001">
      <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Yep...tried that too..&nbsp;I've tried
          everything I can think of short of dumping the toner cartridge
          and refilling it</font></div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>
      <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">that's why<em> </em>I'm calling on the
          brain trust here !!! <div>&lt;OEClassicEmoji000.png&gt;</div></fon=
t></div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>
      <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
      <blockquote style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px;
        PADDING-LEFT: 0.5em; BORDER-LEFT: #c7e5ff 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px
        0px 0px 0.5em; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
        <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR:
          #000000"><b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
        <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR:
          #000000"><b>From:</b> Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fishpl=
ate@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">fish=
plate@gmail.com</a>&gt;</div>
        <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR:
          #000000"><b>To:</b> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"=
mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a> &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-=
link-freetext">Shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</div>
        <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR:
          #000000"><b>Sent:</b> 4/24/2023 7:37:31 AM</div>
        <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR:
          #000000"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help</div>
        <hr style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 1px; BORDER-RIGHT:
          medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; COLOR: #ccc;
          BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccc">
        <div>Assuming Windows, have you tried removing it from your
          printers list and letting the system reinstall it?</div>
        <br>
        <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
          <div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 08:14
            Tom Coradeschi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tjcora@icloud.com" moz-do-n=
ot-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">tjcora@icloud.com</a>&gt;
            wrote:<br>
          </div>
          <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex;
            BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
            <div>Is it USB connected? Maybe (assuming you haven=E2=80=99t
              already done so) try a different cable? Grasping at
              straws=E2=80=A6<br>
              <br>
              <div dir=3D"ltr">Tom Coradeschi
                <div><a href=3D"mailto:tjcora@icloud.com" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
 target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">=
tjcora@icloud.com</a></div>
              </div>
              <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
                <blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM,
                  john &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@att.net" rel=3D"norefer=
rer" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freete=
xt">jniolon@att.net</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                  <br>
                </blockquote>
              </div>
              <blockquote type=3D"cite">
                <div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
                  <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">VueScan for my first
                      choice... same as all the others</font></div>
                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
                  <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">j</font></div>
                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
                  <blockquote style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP:
                    0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0.5em; BORDER-LEFT: #c7e5ff 1px
                    solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.5em; PADDING-RIGHT:
                    0px">
                    <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe
                      UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>----- Original Message
                        -----</b></div>
                    <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe
                      UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>From:</b> Ronnie Day &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:ronnie.day@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" moz-=
do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">ronnie.day@gmail.com</a=
>&gt;</div>
                    <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe
                      UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>To:</b> Mike Sinclair &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" m=
oz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">phoenix722@comcast.n=
et</a>&gt;</div>
                    <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe
                      UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>Cc:</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
shop-talk@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-se=
nd=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt;=
</div>
                    <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe
                      UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>Sent:</b> 4/23/2023
                      7:09:35 PM</div>
                    <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe
                      UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>Subject:</b> Re:
                      [Shop-talk] scanner help</div>
                    <hr style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 1px;
                      BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium
                      none; COLOR: #ccc; BORDER-LEFT: medium none;
                      BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccc">
                    <div dir=3D"ltr">Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an
                      incredible guy and the software simply works! You
                      can D/L it and see if/how it works. You'll get
                      watermarks until you pay for it but you'll know it
                      works before you do. It was recommended&nbsp;by a
                      friend on the editing&nbsp;list I've been on since the=

                      mid '90s.&nbsp;I used it for maybe 15 minutes and
                      bought the lifetime licence.&nbsp;At some point&nbsp;E=
d made
                      it cross-platform and my lifetime licence was
                      grandfathered so I can scan using my Brother MFC
                      from any of my Macs or PCs. Inarguably&nbsp;the best
                      $100 I ever spent on software!
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>RD</div>
                    </div>
                    <br>
                    <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
                      <div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Apr 23,
                        2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM Mike Sinclair &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-=
not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">phoenix722@comcast.net</a>=
&gt;
                        wrote:<br>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT=
: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT:
                        rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px
                        0.8ex">
                        <div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
                          <p><font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Tahoma">Make
                                sure your wireless is not set to
                                public.&nbsp; Don't ask me how I know.</font=
></font></p>
                          <p><font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Tahoma">Mike</fo=
nt></font><br>
                          </p>
                          <div>On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:<br>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote type=3D"cite">
                            <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">trying to copy
                                some documentation on my tools and my
                                scanner refuses to cooperate.&nbsp; It used
                                to work.&nbsp; It's a HP m1217 nfw
                                multifunction printer.&nbsp; I've reloaded
                                all the proper up to date drivers</font></di=
v>
                            <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">run diagnostics
                                on hardware and all is fine.. reset to
                                factory settings... tried several
                                different scanner software packages
                                including HPs version and everyone says
                                it "Can Not&nbsp;Communicate with the
                                scanner."</font></div>
                            <div>&nbsp;</div>
                            <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Tried an online
                                tech support outfit that said it was a
                                virus preventing it from working and for
                                250 bucks they would fix it... well,
                                thanks but no thanks.&nbsp; Ran several
                                malware and virus programs and found one</fo=
nt></div>
                            <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">PUP file and
                                removed it .&nbsp; After that redid all abov=
e
                                and same result... Hope someone can tech
                                me up on this and get this piece of
                                printer working again...and all other
                                printer functions work fine</font></div>
                            <div>&nbsp;</div>
                            <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>=

                            <div>&nbsp;</div>
                            <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
                            <br>
                          </blockquote>
                        </div>
                      </blockquote>
                    </div>
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From: Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 14:13:19 -0500
To: john <jniolon@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help
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John, there are forums on Ed Hamrick's site and he has responded to me
directly within a couple of days the few times I've had questions.
Seriously, I'd D/L VueScan and see if it'll work. It's free to try.

That said, I'd see if there's not a "factory reset" magic key combo to get
the scanner bacc to zero. I gave an older H-P flatbed to one of my
grandsons some time go, still have the cheap Canon LIDE-20 (I think) I
bought 30 years ago at Fry's and a Brother MFC--J875dw that I used to print
on DVDs/CDs (remember those!). The Brother is USB/Ethernet/WiFi and works
beautifully plugged into the LAN here in my office. Same thing with the
Canon, except it's USB. IIRC, I paid around $120 for the Brother at Best
Buy. I'd buy another one but Brother quit offering CD/DVD printers a number
of years ago, and I can't remember the last time I needed to print on disk
anyway!

On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 1:21=E2=80=AFPM john <jniolon@att.net> wrote:

> Ronnie, thanks for replying.  First... it's only scanner problems  all
> other printer function are fine.  This is a Windows 10 desktop.  And I ha=
ve
> tried both wi-fi and usb connected with same (no) results.. I've tried
> different cables and different usb ports and different IP addresses.   I
> worked with main frame computers and networks for 25 years (back when the=
y
> were coal fired [image: Slightly Smiling Face]) and I know how to
> eliminate problems one at a time till you find a solution but this one ha=
s
> me baffled.  For one thing the scanning software doesn't give you any err=
or
> codes or description of problem, other than the cryptic "can not
> communicate with the scanner" message...
>
> I'm thinking maybe a virus or some malware flipped a switch somewhere
> inside the command stuff that I'm not smart enough to find... I've looked
> thru installation logs and event viewer and with my limited knowledge I
> don't see a problem.. that being said, the problem could be a big barn
> painted red and I'm not smart enough to know what to see.  Don't have
> another pc to attach to and even then if it worked there it wouldn't show
> me the problem on my box.   very frustrating
>
> you guys are throwing out all the proper tasks to find this but I've
> already tried every suggestion before coming here...
>
> does anyone have knowledge of internal command files and stuff that could
> be reloaded or fixed ??  most system files are hard to play with I know..=
.
> but SOME thing ain't working as it should, right
>
>
> john
>
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
> *To:* Richard George <rkg@teleport.com>
> *Cc:* <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* 4/24/2023 12:33:36 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help
> ------------------------------
> Asking for clarification - Are you having trouble printing or scanning? I
> thought the problem was scanning. If it's not printing, try connecting th=
e
> printer directly to the computer. Also PC or Mac? There are different
> protocols for each platform.
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 11:47=E2=80=AFAM Richard George <rkg@teleport.com=
> wrote:
>
>> I think I deleted the source of this so my apologies if this is
>> redundant, but...  Did you try plugging the scanner into a different
>> computer?  I know, you shouldn't -need- to do that, but I had a scanner
>> gunny-sack between infrequent uses once, and it took a while to figure i=
t
>> the problem wasn't just microsoft-software-update-induced.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> rkg
>>
>> (Richard George)
>> On 4/24/2023 5:37 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
>>
>> Assuming Windows, have you tried removing it from your printers list and
>> letting the system reinstall it?
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 08:14 Tom Coradeschi <tjcora@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is it USB connected? Maybe (assuming you haven=E2=80=99t already done s=
o) try a
>>> different cable? Grasping at straws=E2=80=A6
>>>
>>> Tom Coradeschi
>>> tjcora@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM, john <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>> VueScan for my first choice... same as all the others
>>>
>>> j
>>>
>>>
>>> *----- Original Message -----*
>>> *From:* Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
>>> *To:* Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcast.net>
>>> *Cc:* <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
>>> *Sent:* 4/23/2023 7:09:35 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the software simply
>>> works! You can D/L it and see if/how it works. You'll get watermarks un=
til
>>> you pay for it but you'll know it works before you do. It was
>>> recommended by a friend on the editing list I've been on since the mid
>>> '90s. I used it for maybe 15 minutes and bought the lifetime licence. A=
t
>>> some point Ed made it cross-platform and my lifetime licence was
>>> grandfathered so I can scan using my Brother MFC from any of my Macs or
>>> PCs. Inarguably the best $100 I ever spent on software!
>>>
>>> RD
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comca=
st.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Make sure your wireless is not set to public.  Don't ask me how I know=
.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:
>>>>
>>>> trying to copy some documentation on my tools and my scanner refuses t=
o
>>>> cooperate.  It used to work.  It's a HP m1217 nfw multifunction printe=
r.
>>>> I've reloaded all the proper up to date drivers
>>>> run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. reset to factory
>>>> settings... tried several different scanner software packages includin=
g HPs
>>>> version and everyone says it "Can Not Communicate with the scanner."
>>>>
>>>> Tried an online tech support outfit that said it was a virus preventin=
g
>>>> it from working and for 250 bucks they would fix it... well, thanks bu=
t no
>>>> thanks.  Ran several malware and virus programs and found one
>>>> PUP file and removed it .  After that redid all above and same
>>>> result... Hope someone can tech me up on this and get this piece of pr=
inter
>>>> working again...and all other printer functions work fine
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>>
>>>> john
>>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">John, there are forums on Ed Hamrick&#39;s site and he has=
 responded to me directly within a couple of days the few times I&#39;ve ha=
d questions. Seriously, I&#39;d D/L VueScan and see if it&#39;ll work. It&#=
39;s free to try.<div><br></div><div>That said, I&#39;d see if there&#39;s =
not a &quot;factory reset&quot; magic key combo to get the scanner bacc to =
zero. I gave an older H-P flatbed to one of my grandsons=C2=A0some time go,=
 still have the cheap Canon LIDE-20 (I think) I bought 30 years ago at Fry&=
#39;s and a Brother MFC--J875dw that I used to print on DVDs/CDs (remember =
those!). The Brother is USB/Ethernet/WiFi and works beautifully=C2=A0plugge=
d into the LAN here in my office. Same thing with the Canon, except it&#39;=
s USB. IIRC, I paid around $120 for the Brother at Best Buy. I&#39;d buy an=
other=C2=A0one but Brother quit offering CD/DVD printers a number of years =
ago, and I can&#39;t=C2=A0remember the last time I needed to print on disk =
anyway!</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 1:21=E2=80=AFPM john &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:jniolon@att.net">jniolon@att.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Ronnie, thanks for replying.=C2=A0 First... it=
&#39;s only scanner problems=C2=A0 all other printer function are fine.=C2=
=A0 This is a Windows 10 desktop.=C2=A0 And I have tried both wi-fi and usb=
 connected with same (no) results.. I&#39;ve tried different cables and dif=
ferent usb ports and different IP addresses.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I worked with main=
 frame computers and networks for 25 years (back when they were coal fired =
<img style=3D"border-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initi=
al; height: 24px; width: 24px;" alt=3D"Slightly Smiling Face" src=3D"cid:18=
7b4a1077fd9a716611" align=3D"absMiddle">) and I know how to eliminate probl=
ems one at a time till you find a solution but this one has me baffled.=C2=
=A0 For one thing the scanning software doesn&#39;t give you any error code=
s or description of problem, other than the cryptic &quot;can not communica=
te with the scanner&quot; message...=C2=A0=C2=A0 </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I&#39;m thinking maybe a virus or some malware=
 flipped a switch somewhere inside the command stuff that I&#39;m not smart=
 enough to find... I&#39;ve looked thru installation logs and event viewer =
and with my limited knowledge I don&#39;t see a problem.. that being said, =
the problem could be a big barn painted red and I&#39;m not smart enough to=
 know what to see.=C2=A0 Don&#39;t have another pc to attach to and even th=
en if it worked there it wouldn&#39;t show me the problem on my box.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 very frustrating</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">you guys are throwing out all the proper tasks=
 to find this but I&#39;ve already tried every suggestion before coming her=
e...</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">does anyone have knowledge of internal command=
 files and stuff that could be reloaded or fixed ??=C2=A0 most system files=
 are hard to play with I know... but SOME thing ain&#39;t working as it sho=
uld, right </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"padding:0px 0px 0px 0.5em;border-left:1px solid rgb(19=
9,229,255);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.5em">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>From:</b> Ronnie Day &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ronnie.day@gmail.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">ronnie.day@gmail.com</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>To:</b> Richard George &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rkg@teleport.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">rkg@teleport.com</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>Cc:</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" target=3D"_=
blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>Sent:</b> 4/24/2023 12:33:36 PM</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help</div>
<hr style=3D"border-width:medium;border-style:none;border-color:initial;hei=
ght:1px;color:rgb(204,204,204);background-color:rgb(204,204,204)">

<div dir=3D"ltr">Asking for clarification=C2=A0- Are you having trouble pri=
nting or scanning? I thought the problem was scanning. If it&#39;s not prin=
ting, try connecting the printer directly to the computer. Also PC or Mac? =
There are different protocols=C2=A0for each platform.</div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 11:47=E2=80=
=AFAM Richard George &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rkg@teleport.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">rkg@teleport.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div>
<p>I think I deleted the source of this so my apologies if this is redundan=
t, but...=C2=A0 Did you try plugging the scanner into a different computer?=
=C2=A0 I know, you shouldn&#39;t -need- to do that, but I had a scanner gun=
ny-sack between infrequent uses once, and it took a while to figure it the =
problem wasn&#39;t just microsoft-software-update-induced.</p>
<p>Good luck,</p>
<p>rkg</p>
<p>(Richard George)<br></p>
<div>On 4/24/2023 5:37 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>Assuming Windows, have you tried removing it from your printers list a=
nd letting the system reinstall it?</div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 08:14 Tom Corad=
eschi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tjcora@icloud.com" target=3D"_blank">tjcora@icl=
oud.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div>Is it USB connected? Maybe (assuming you haven=E2=80=99t already done =
so) try a different cable? Grasping at straws=E2=80=A6<br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Tom Coradeschi=20
<div><a href=3D"mailto:tjcora@icloud.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_bla=
nk">tjcora@icloud.com</a></div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM, john &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:jniolon@att.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">jniolon@att.n=
et</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF=20
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">VueScan for my first choice... same as all the=
 others</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">j</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"padding:0px 0px 0px 0.5em;border-left:1px solid rgb(19=
9,229,255);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.5em">
<div><b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
<div><b>From:</b> Ronnie Day &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ronnie.day@gmail.com" re=
l=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ronnie.day@gmail.com</a>&gt;</div>
<div><b>To:</b> Mike Sinclair &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">phoenix722@comcast.net</a>&gt;</div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> 4/23/2023 7:09:35 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help</div>
<hr style=3D"border-width:medium;border-style:none;border-color:initial;hei=
ght:1px;color:rgb(204,204,204);background-color:rgb(204,204,204)">

<div dir=3D"ltr">Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the softwa=
re simply works! You can D/L it and see if/how it works. You&#39;ll get wat=
ermarks until you pay for it but you&#39;ll know it works before you do. It=
 was recommended=C2=A0by a friend on the editing=C2=A0list I&#39;ve been on=
 since the mid &#39;90s.=C2=A0I used it for maybe 15 minutes and bought the=
 lifetime licence.=C2=A0At some point=C2=A0Ed made it cross-platform and my=
 lifetime licence was grandfathered so I can scan using my Brother MFC from=
 any of my Macs or PCs. Inarguably=C2=A0the best $100 I ever spent on softw=
are!=20
<div><br></div>
<div>RD</div></div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AF=
PM Mike Sinclair &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net" rel=3D"noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">phoenix722@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<p><font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Tahoma">Make sure your wireless is not se=
t to public.=C2=A0 Don&#39;t ask me how I know.</font></font></p>
<p><font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Tahoma">Mike</font></font><br></p>
<div>On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">trying to copy some documentation on my tools =
and my scanner refuses to cooperate.=C2=A0 It used to work.=C2=A0 It&#39;s =
a HP m1217 nfw multifunction printer.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve reloaded all the prope=
r up to date drivers</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. =
reset to factory settings... tried several different scanner software packa=
ges including HPs version and everyone says it &quot;Can Not=C2=A0Communica=
te with the scanner.&quot;</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Tried an online tech support outfit that said =
it was a virus preventing it from working and for 250 bucks they would fix =
it... well, thanks but no thanks.=C2=A0 Ran several malware and virus progr=
ams and found one</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">PUP file and removed it .=C2=A0 After that red=
id all above and same result... Hope someone can tech me up on this and get=
 this piece of printer working again...and all other printer functions work=
 fine</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div><br>
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Ok, my 2 cents.

First, it sounds like driver software is corrupted (either from virus or 
just bad luck.)

I guess it is most likely in the TWAIN driver.

I'm a die hard Brother fan, BTW and recently bought a HP Color LaserJet 
Pro M283fdw Wireless All-in-One Laser Printer that I couldn't be happier 
with.

What I'm about to say goes against EVERYTHING I believe, In fact, I have 
to start it by saying I HATE!!!!!!! Smart phones and the apps on them.  I 
believe the ONLY apps that should exist are the ones before an entree. 8>)

With that said, there are "photo to PDF" apps that you use your phone to 
just take a picture of the page and it converts it to a PDF (or other 
format.)  They are often free and really are faster than a scanner.

Maybe try that and give up on the scanner for now.

Again, I HATE that I suggested that, but I think it will work for you.

Moose (I have to go wash my mouth out with bourbon now!)


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<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Ok, my 2 cents.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">First, it sounds
like driver software is corrupted (either from virus or just bad luck.)</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I guess it is
most likely in the TWAIN driver.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I'm a die hard
Brother fan, BTW and recently bought a HP Color LaserJet Pro M283fdw Wireless
All-in-One Laser Printer that I couldn't be happier with.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">What I'm about
to say goes against EVERYTHING I believe, In fact, I have to start it by
saying I HATE!!!!!!! Smart phones and the apps on them. &nbsp;I believe
the ONLY apps that should exist are the ones before an entree. 8&gt;)</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">With that said,
there are &quot;photo to PDF&quot; apps that you use your phone to just
take a picture of the page and it converts it to a PDF (or other format.)
&nbsp;They are often free and really are faster than a scanner.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Maybe try that
and give up on the scanner for now.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Again, I HATE
that I suggested that, but I think it will work for you.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Moose (I have
to go wash my mouth out with bourbon now!)</span>
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Moose, I am also a Brother all in one user, couldn=E2=80=99t be happier. It=E2=
=80=99s an old 6-ink photo unit but hasn=E2=80=99t given me much trouble.=20=


As for the HP color laser, a friend was required to buy particular HP printe=
r years ago because of the software he was using. Toner was expensive but si=
nce he didn=E2=80=99t use color much he figured that replacing the $150 blac=
k cartridge wasn=E2=80=99t a deal killer. A few months later it just stopped=
 with no warning that the toner was out. He bought a black cartridge, then n=
oticed that the color cartridges were also needing replacement even though h=
e hadn=E2=80=99t printed any color documents. Turns out his printer used all=
 the toners when printing black & white & that couldn=E2=80=99t be turned of=
f. My point is you might want to watch color toner consumption.=20

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Apr 24, 2023, at 4:12 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

=EF=BB=BFOk, my 2 cents.=20

First, it sounds like driver software is corrupted (either from virus or jus=
t bad luck.)=20

I guess it is most likely in the TWAIN driver.=20

I'm a die hard Brother fan, BTW and recently bought a HP Color LaserJet Pro M=
283fdw Wireless All-in-One Laser Printer that I couldn't be happier with.=20=


What I'm about to say goes against EVERYTHING I believe, In fact, I have to s=
tart it by saying I HATE!!!!!!! Smart phones and the apps on them.  I believ=
e the ONLY apps that should exist are the ones before an entree. 8>)=20

With that said, there are "photo to PDF" apps that you use your phone to jus=
t take a picture of the page and it converts it to a PDF (or other format.) =
 They are often free and really are faster than a scanner.=20

Maybe try that and give up on the scanner for now.=20

Again, I HATE that I suggested that, but I think it will work for you.=20

Moose (I have to go wash my mouth out with bourbon now!)
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Moose, I am also a Brother all in one user,=
 couldn=E2=80=99t be happier. It=E2=80=99s an old 6-ink photo unit but hasn=E2=
=80=99t given me much trouble.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>As for the HP color l=
aser, a friend was required to buy particular HP printer years ago because o=
f the software he was using. Toner was expensive but since he didn=E2=80=99t=
 use color much he figured that replacing the $150 black cartridge wasn=E2=80=
=99t a deal killer. A few months later it just stopped with no warning that t=
he toner was out. He bought a black cartridge, then noticed that the color c=
artridges were also needing replacement even though he hadn=E2=80=99t printe=
d any color documents. Turns out his printer used all the toners when printi=
ng black &amp; white &amp; that couldn=E2=80=99t be turned off. My point is y=
ou might want to watch color toner consumption.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr=
">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Apr 24, 2023, at 4:12 PM, eric@megageek.com wrot=
e:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span style=3D" font-size:10pt;fon=
t-family:sans-serif">Ok, my 2 cents.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">First, it sounds
like driver software is corrupted (either from virus or just bad luck.)</spa=
n>
<br>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I guess it is
most likely in the TWAIN driver.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I'm a die hard
Brother fan, BTW and recently bought a HP Color LaserJet Pro M283fdw Wireles=
s
All-in-One Laser Printer that I couldn't be happier with.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">What I'm about
to say goes against EVERYTHING I believe, In fact, I have to start it by
saying I HATE!!!!!!! Smart phones and the apps on them. &nbsp;I believe
the ONLY apps that should exist are the ones before an entree. 8&gt;)</span>=

<br>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">With that said,
there are "photo to PDF" apps that you use your phone to just
take a picture of the page and it converts it to a PDF (or other format.)
&nbsp;They are often free and really are faster than a scanner.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Maybe try that
and give up on the scanner for now.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Again, I HATE
that I suggested that, but I think it will work for you.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Moose (I have
to go wash my mouth out with bourbon now!)</span>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"></p>
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