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From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com>
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To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ceiling Paint
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For anyone who is interested, I can answer my own question.  Just =
coincidentally, I played golf last week with a retired painter who told =
me to feel free to use the mixed paint.  I primed some new walls with it =
yesterday and all went well.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled shop-related discussions.

Jim

> On May 31, 2023, at 7:51 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> How much more money was wasted depends on the answer to my question, =
which is: can I use the primer mixed with the ceiling paint? =20


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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">For anyone who =
is interested, I can answer my own question. &nbsp;Just coincidentally, =
I played golf last week with a retired painter who told me to feel free =
to use the mixed paint. &nbsp;I primed some new walls with it yesterday =
and all went well.<div><br></div><div>I now return you to your regularly =
scheduled shop-related =
discussions.</div><div><br></div><div>Jim<br><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On May 31, 2023, at 7:51 AM, Jim Stone =
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display: inline !important;">How much more money was wasted depends on =
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ceiling paint? =
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I did some digging online and also looked at the local menards. I cannot fi=
nd what I have pictured in my mind.....

I am putting up a Vevor Carport right in front of my garage door in an effo=
rt to create more Shop space (see how I tied this into the shoptalk theme !=
) by adding a covered parking spot for my wife's DD. I am setting it up to =
be driven through into the garage so my old Jeep can be driven out through =
it and thus stored at home in winter.

What I want to do it secure the carport to the slab but be able to remove i=
t easily and not have the concrete anchor stick up from the ground. I have =
pictured putting a anchor in slab and then screwing down into the anchor th=
rough the drilled feet of the carport's framing.

Can someone point me to what I am looking for please?

Thanks
tim



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I did some digging online and also looked at the local menards. I cannot fi=
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I am putting up a Vevor Carport right in front of my garage door in an effo=
rt to create more Shop space (see how I tied this into the shoptalk theme !=
) by adding a covered parking spot for my wife's DD. I am setting it up to =
be driven through into the garage
 so my old Jeep can be driven out through it and thus stored at home in win=
ter.&nbsp;</div>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
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What I want to do it secure the carport to the slab but be able to remove i=
t easily and not have the concrete anchor stick up from the ground. I have =
pictured putting a anchor in slab and then screwing down into the anchor th=
rough the drilled feet of the carport's
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tim</div>
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From: Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>
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This is common in garage floors to lock motorcycles to using a big D =
ring, or as this thread shows, anchoring a piece of machinery. usually =
they are set in place when the conrete is wet but of course many people =
install them afterwards.=20

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/removable-floor-anchor.3333/ =
<https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/removable-floor-anchor.3333/>=


jim

> On Jun 10, 2023, at 10:29 AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> I did some digging online and also looked at the local menards. I =
cannot find what I have pictured in my mind.....
>=20
> I am putting up a Vevor Carport right in front of my garage door in an =
effort to create more Shop space (see how I tied this into the shoptalk =
theme !) by adding a covered parking spot for my wife's DD. I am setting =
it up to be driven through into the garage so my old Jeep can be driven =
out through it and thus stored at home in winter.=20
>=20
> What I want to do it secure the carport to the slab but be able to =
remove it easily and not have the concrete anchor stick up from the =
ground. I have pictured putting a anchor in slab and then screwing down =
into the anchor through the drilled feet of the carport's framing.=20
>=20
> Can someone point me to what I am looking for please?
>=20
> Thanks
> tim
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charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">This =
is common in garage floors to lock motorcycles to using a big D ring, or =
as this thread shows, anchoring a piece of machinery. usually they are =
set in place when the conrete is wet but of course many people install =
them afterwards.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/removable-floor-anchor=
.3333/" =
class=3D"">https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/removable-floor-anc=
hor.3333/</a></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">jim<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
 class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jun 10, 2023, at 10:29 AM, Tim . &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com" =
class=3D"">tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;">I did some digging online and also looked at the local =
menards. I cannot find what I have pictured in my mind.....</div><div =
class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"elementToProof" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;">I am putting up a Vevor Carport right in front of my =
garage door in an effort to create more Shop space (see how I tied this =
into the shoptalk theme !) by adding a covered parking spot for my =
wife's DD. I am setting it up to be driven through into the garage so my =
old Jeep can be driven out through it and thus stored at home in =
winter.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;">What I want to do it secure the carport to the slab but be able =
to remove it easily and not have the concrete anchor stick up from the =
ground. I have pictured putting a anchor in slab and then screwing down =
into the anchor through the drilled feet of the carport's =
framing.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Can =
someone point me to what I am looking for please?</div><div =
class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"elementToProof" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;">Thanks</div><div class=3D"elementToProof" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
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font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"elementToProof" =
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How about "Female-Threaded Anchors for Concrete"
https://www.mcmaster.com/products/anchors/anchor-type~female-threaded/

John P. New
London, Ontario, Canada


On Saturday, June 10, 2023 10:29:57 A.M. EDT Tim . wrote:
> I did some digging online and also looked at the local menards. I cannot find what I have pictured in my mind.....
> 
> I am putting up a Vevor Carport right in front of my garage door in an effort to create more Shop space (see how I tied this into the shoptalk theme !) by adding a covered parking spot for my wife's DD. I am setting it up to be driven through into the garage so my old Jeep can be driven out through it and thus stored at home in winter.
> 
> What I want to do it secure the carport to the slab but be able to remove it easily and not have the concrete anchor stick up from the ground. I have pictured putting a anchor in slab and then screwing down into the anchor through the drilled feet of the carport's framing.
> 
> Can someone point me to what I am looking for please?
> 
> Thanks
> tim
> 
> 
> 




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Yes, this is what I pictured. I had forgotten about McMaster-Carr.
thanks!

________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of John P. New=
 <jnew@hazelden.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 11:09 AM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] concrete fasteners

How about "Female-Threaded Anchors for Concrete"
https://www.mcmaster.com/products/anchors/anchor-type~female-threaded/

John P. New
London, Ontario, Canada


On Saturday, June 10, 2023 10:29:57 A.M. EDT Tim . wrote:
> I did some digging online and also looked at the local menards. I cannot =
find what I have pictured in my mind.....
>
> I am putting up a Vevor Carport right in front of my garage door in an ef=
fort to create more Shop space (see how I tied this into the shoptalk theme=
 !) by adding a covered parking spot for my wife's DD. I am setting it up t=
o be driven through into the garage so my old Jeep can be driven out throug=
h it and thus stored at home in winter.
>
> What I want to do it secure the carport to the slab but be able to remove=
 it easily and not have the concrete anchor stick up from the ground. I hav=
e pictured putting a anchor in slab and then screwing down into the anchor =
through the drilled feet of the carport's framing.
>
> Can someone point me to what I am looking for please?
>
> Thanks
> tim
>
>
>




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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 10, 2023 11:09 AM<br>
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On Saturday, June 10, 2023 10:29:57 A.M. EDT Tim . wrote:<br>
&gt; I did some digging online and also looked at the local menards. I cann=
ot find what I have pictured in my mind.....<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I am putting up a Vevor Carport right in front of my garage door in an=
 effort to create more Shop space (see how I tied this into the shoptalk th=
eme !) by adding a covered parking spot for my wife's DD. I am setting it u=
p to be driven through into the garage
 so my old Jeep can be driven out through it and thus stored at home in win=
ter.<br>
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&gt; What I want to do it secure the carport to the slab but be able to rem=
ove it easily and not have the concrete anchor stick up from the ground. I =
have pictured putting a anchor in slab and then screwing down into the anch=
or through the drilled feet of the
 carport's framing.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Can someone point me to what I am looking for please?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks<br>
&gt; tim<br>
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I have a friend who has 3 12" diameter rolls of coated canvas she needs to cut into smaller lengths. They tried hand cutting with a toothed blade but the teeth get caught in the canvas threads and tear it. I have a sawzall but I don't know if the blade speed will be fast enough to overcome the pull of the threads. Is there a non-toothed way to cut this? The rolls are 12 feet long now and quite heavy, 2-3 people to lift, so a floor solution would be best. 

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What about these?  You may need to contact the suppliers with the specific
applications.

https://www.cutsew.com/km-rsd50-hand-held-electric-fabric-cutter 

https://www.cutsew.com/AS100-Electric-Rotaty-Fabric-Cutter_p_7101.html 

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2251832430166485.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4it
emAdapt

Doug

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From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Franklin
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Subject: [Shop-talk] Cutting canvas rolls?

I have a friend who has 3 12" diameter rolls of coated canvas she needs to
cut into smaller lengths. They tried hand cutting with a toothed blade but
the teeth get caught in the canvas threads and tear it. I have a sawzall but
I don't know if the blade speed will be fast enough to overcome the pull of
the threads. Is there a non-toothed way to cut this? The rolls are 12 feet
long now and quite heavy, 2-3 people to lift, so a floor solution would be
best. 

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jim
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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2023 16:14:39 -0700
To: Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>
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Cutting fabric, especially canvas, is probably easiest
with a non-toothed blade.  Scissors, or rotary cutter are
common.  Thing is, you'd need something to cut against.
I assume she doesn't want to unroll it?

In that case, I would use the finest blade you can get
for the Sawzall.  Bosch makes a 9 inch 24tpi blade that
might be just fine.  Cutting through a 12 inch diameter
roll would need some planning.

Shannah

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> I have a friend who has 3 12" diameter rolls of coated canvas she needs t=
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> the teeth get caught in the canvas threads and tear it. I have a sawzall
> but I don't know if the blade speed will be fast enough to overcome the
> pull of the threads. Is there a non-toothed way to cut this? The rolls ar=
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> 12 feet long now and quite heavy, 2-3 people to lift, so a floor solution
> would be best.
>
> thanks,
> jim
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Cutting fabric, especially canvas, is probably easies=
t</div><div>with a non-toothed blade.=C2=A0 Scissors, or rotary cutter are<=
/div><div>common.=C2=A0 Thing is, you&#39;d need something to cut against.<=
/div><div>I assume she doesn&#39;t want to unroll it?</div><div><br></div><=
div>In that case, I would use the finest blade you can get</div><div>for th=
e Sawzall.=C2=A0 Bosch makes a 9 inch 24tpi blade that</div><div>might be j=
ust fine.=C2=A0 Cutting through a 12 inch diameter</div><div>roll would nee=
d some planning.</div><div><br></div><div>Shannah<br></div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 14, =
2023 at 3:31=E2=80=AFPM Jim Franklin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jamesf@groupwben=
ch.org">jamesf@groupwbench.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
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d cutting with a toothed blade but the teeth get caught in the canvas threa=
ds and tear it. I have a sawzall but I don&#39;t know if the blade speed wi=
ll be fast enough to overcome the pull of the threads. Is there a non-tooth=
ed way to cut this? The rolls are 12 feet long now and quite heavy, 2-3 peo=
ple to lift, so a floor solution would be best. <br>
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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2023 17:41:15 -0700
To: Shannah Miller <shannahquilts@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cutting canvas rolls?
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My first thought was a portable bandsaw, but I have not been able to find a
listing for one with a big enough throat.  (I assume the desire is to carve
slices off the ends of the roll, like slicing a salami, without unrolling
it.)

On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 5:18 PM Shannah Miller <shannahquilts@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Cutting fabric, especially canvas, is probably easiest
> with a non-toothed blade.  Scissors, or rotary cutter are
> common.  Thing is, you'd need something to cut against.
> I assume she doesn't want to unroll it?
>
> In that case, I would use the finest blade you can get
> for the Sawzall.  Bosch makes a 9 inch 24tpi blade that
> might be just fine.  Cutting through a 12 inch diameter
> roll would need some planning.
>
> Shannah
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 3:31=E2=80=AFPM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.=
org>
> wrote:
>
>> I have a friend who has 3 12" diameter rolls of coated canvas she needs
>> to cut into smaller lengths. They tried hand cutting with a toothed blad=
e
>> but the teeth get caught in the canvas threads and tear it. I have a
>> sawzall but I don't know if the blade speed will be fast enough to overc=
ome
>> the pull of the threads. Is there a non-toothed way to cut this? The rol=
ls
>> are 12 feet long now and quite heavy, 2-3 people to lift, so a floor
>> solution would be best.
>>
>> thanks,
>> jim
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<div dir=3D"auto">My first thought was a portable bandsaw, but I have not b=
een able to find a listing for one with a big enough throat. =C2=A0(I assum=
e the desire is to carve slices off the ends of the roll, like slicing a sa=
lami, without unrolling it.)</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 5:18 PM Shannah Mi=
ller &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shannahquilts@gmail.com">shannahquilts@gmail.com=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Cutting fab=
ric, especially canvas, is probably easiest</div><div>with a non-toothed bl=
ade.=C2=A0 Scissors, or rotary cutter are</div><div>common.=C2=A0 Thing is,=
 you&#39;d need something to cut against.</div><div>I assume she doesn&#39;=
t want to unroll it?</div><div><br></div><div>In that case, I would use the=
 finest blade you can get</div><div>for the Sawzall.=C2=A0 Bosch makes a 9 =
inch 24tpi blade that</div><div>might be just fine.=C2=A0 Cutting through a=
 12 inch diameter</div><div>roll would need some planning.</div><div><br></=
div><div>Shannah<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 3:31=E2=80=AFPM Jim Frank=
lin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jamesf@groupwbench.org" target=3D"_blank">jamesf@=
groupwbench.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:so=
lid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">I have a friend wh=
o has 3 12&quot; diameter rolls of coated canvas she needs to cut into smal=
ler lengths. They tried hand cutting with a toothed blade but the teeth get=
 caught in the canvas threads and tear it. I have a sawzall but I don&#39;t=
 know if the blade speed will be fast enough to overcome the pull of the th=
reads. Is there a non-toothed way to cut this? The rolls are 12 feet long n=
ow and quite heavy, 2-3 people to lift, so a floor solution would be best. =
<br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
jim<br>
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> On Jun 14, 2023, at 6:35 PM, Donald H Locker <dhlocker@protonmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Is the objective to cut the 12ft roll length into shorter rolls, or to
> cut the rolled canvas into shorter 12ft-wide lengths?

Yes, from 12' long down to 4' long.

They tried unrolling and it's many dozens of yards long so that got shut down quickly.

> 
> Assuming the former, the cutting tool must have no teeth but must be
> able to cut through the depth of the roll. A knife at least four feet
> long (to be able to cut the full circumference of the first pass) long
> will be required. Rolling the canvas rolls on the floor while pressing
> the knife on it is the only way I know to achieve a clean cut. The knife
> MUST be sharp and very stiff.
> 
> If the latter, a utility knife is the right answer.

I have never seen a four foot utility knife :-)

An electric turkey carver is my goto for stuff like foam but the canvas is stout and I don't see it working. 

A rotary razor is ideal, but the best I can come up with is a disc grinder which doesn't have the depth. 

Thanks for all the ideas so far.

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I don't know if you are near NJ, but I have 2 massive bandsaws (one wood 
and one metal) with fine tooth blades.  You're welcome to try them.

If not, one crazy idea would be to fill the core so it's solid, and visit 
your local fire department and see if they can use their jaws of life 
cutter on them. 8>)

Moose



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> On Jun 14, 2023, at 6:35 PM, Donald H Locker <dhlocker@protonmail.com> 
wrote:
> 
> Is the objective to cut the 12ft roll length into shorter rolls, or to
> cut the rolled canvas into shorter 12ft-wide lengths?

Yes, from 12' long down to 4' long.

They tried unrolling and it's many dozens of yards long so that got shut 
down quickly.

> 
> Assuming the former, the cutting tool must have no teeth but must be
> able to cut through the depth of the roll. A knife at least four feet
> long (to be able to cut the full circumference of the first pass) long
> will be required. Rolling the canvas rolls on the floor while pressing
> the knife on it is the only way I know to achieve a clean cut. The knife
> MUST be sharp and very stiff.
> 
> If the latter, a utility knife is the right answer.

I have never seen a four foot utility knife :-)

An electric turkey carver is my goto for stuff like foam but the canvas is 
stout and I don't see it working. 

A rotary razor is ideal, but the best I can come up with is a disc grinder 
which doesn't have the depth. 

Thanks for all the ideas so far.

jim
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">I don't know if you are near NJ, but I
have 2 massive bandsaws (one wood and one metal) with fine tooth blades.
&nbsp;You're welcome to try them.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">If not, one crazy idea would be to fill
the core so it's solid, and visit your local fire department and see if
they can use their jaws of life cutter on them. 8&gt;)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Moose</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Jim Franklin &lt;jamesf@groupwbench.org&gt;</font>
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Cutting canvas rolls?</font>
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&gt; On Jun 14, 2023, at 6:35 PM, Donald H Locker &lt;dhlocker@protonmail.com&gt;
wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Is the objective to cut the 12ft roll length into shorter rolls, or
to<br>
&gt; cut the rolled canvas into shorter 12ft-wide lengths?<br>
<br>
Yes, from 12' long down to 4' long.<br>
<br>
They tried unrolling and it's many dozens of yards long so that got shut
down quickly.<br>
<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Assuming the former, the cutting tool must have no teeth but must
be<br>
&gt; able to cut through the depth of the roll. A knife at least four feet<br>
&gt; long (to be able to cut the full circumference of the first pass)
long<br>
&gt; will be required. Rolling the canvas rolls on the floor while pressing<br>
&gt; the knife on it is the only way I know to achieve a clean cut. The
knife<br>
&gt; MUST be sharp and very stiff.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; If the latter, a utility knife is the right answer.<br>
<br>
I have never seen a four foot utility knife :-)<br>
<br>
An electric turkey carver is my goto for stuff like foam but the canvas
is stout and I don't see it working. <br>
<br>
A rotary razor is ideal, but the best I can come up with is a disc grinder
which doesn't have the depth. <br>
<br>
Thanks for all the ideas so far.<br>
<br>
jim<br>
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Sorry for the previous off-list reply (I didn't realise I hadn't replied
on-list...) and thanks for bring it back.

In any case, have you considered something like a bow saw with the blade
reversed? Or a hacksaw with the blade reversed? It occurred to me that
one needn't roll the roll entirely across the blade; one could roll
partway, move the blade forward (or backward) then roll under the blade
again.

Clearly, I'm thinking still of a toothless solution. These ideas may
also be brainless; just tossing them out!

Best of luck,
Donald.

On 2023-06-15 12:12, Jim Franklin wrote:
>
>> On Jun 14, 2023, at 6:35 PM, Donald H Locker <dhlocker@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is the objective to cut the 12ft roll length into shorter rolls, or to
>> cut the rolled canvas into shorter 12ft-wide lengths?
> Yes, from 12' long down to 4' long.
>
> They tried unrolling and it's many dozens of yards long so that got shut down quickly.
>
>> Assuming the former, the cutting tool must have no teeth but must be
>> able to cut through the depth of the roll. A knife at least four feet
>> long (to be able to cut the full circumference of the first pass) long
>> will be required. Rolling the canvas rolls on the floor while pressing
>> the knife on it is the only way I know to achieve a clean cut. The knife
>> MUST be sharp and very stiff.
>>
>> If the latter, a utility knife is the right answer.
> I have never seen a four foot utility knife :-)
>
> An electric turkey carver is my goto for stuff like foam but the canvas is stout and I don't see it working.
>
> A rotary razor is ideal, but the best I can come up with is a disc grinder which doesn't have the depth.
>
> Thanks for all the ideas so far.
>
> jim
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I=E2=80=99ve also seen paper shears in print shops that can cut close to a f=
oot of paper, might look into that but it would require taking the rolls som=
ewhere.=20

Pat Horne=20
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On Jun 15, 2023, at 1:35 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

=EF=BB=BFI don't know if you are near NJ, but I have 2 massive bandsaws (one=
 wood and one metal) with fine tooth blades.  You're welcome to try them.=20=


If not, one crazy idea would be to fill the core so it's solid, and visit yo=
ur local fire department and see if they can use their jaws of life cutter o=
n them. 8>)=20

Moose=20



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Date:        06/15/2023 01:00 PM=20
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> On Jun 14, 2023, at 6:35 PM, Donald H Locker <dhlocker@protonmail.com> wro=
te:
>=20
> Is the objective to cut the 12ft roll length into shorter rolls, or to
> cut the rolled canvas into shorter 12ft-wide lengths?

Yes, from 12' long down to 4' long.

They tried unrolling and it's many dozens of yards long so that got shut dow=
n quickly.

>=20
> Assuming the former, the cutting tool must have no teeth but must be
> able to cut through the depth of the roll. A knife at least four feet
> long (to be able to cut the full circumference of the first pass) long
> will be required. Rolling the canvas rolls on the floor while pressing
> the knife on it is the only way I know to achieve a clean cut. The knife
> MUST be sharp and very stiff.
>=20
> If the latter, a utility knife is the right answer.

I have never seen a four foot utility knife :-)

An electric turkey carver is my goto for stuff like foam but the canvas is s=
tout and I don't see it working.=20

A rotary razor is ideal, but the best I can come up with is a disc grinder w=
hich doesn't have the depth.=20

Thanks for all the ideas so far.

jim
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
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t shops that can cut close to a foot of paper, might look into that but it w=
ould require taking the rolls somewhere.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat H=
orne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 15, 2023, at 1:35 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:<br><=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I do=
n't know if you are near NJ, but I
have 2 massive bandsaws (one wood and one metal) with fine tooth blades.
&nbsp;You're welcome to try them.</font>
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<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">If not, one crazy idea would be to f=
ill
the core so it's solid, and visit your local fire department and see if
they can use their jaws of life cutter on them. 8&gt;)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Moose</font>
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&gt; Is the objective to cut the 12ft roll length into shorter rolls, or
to<br>
&gt; cut the rolled canvas into shorter 12ft-wide lengths?<br>
<br>
Yes, from 12' long down to 4' long.<br>
<br>
They tried unrolling and it's many dozens of yards long so that got shut
down quickly.<br>
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&gt; <br>
&gt; Assuming the former, the cutting tool must have no teeth but must
be<br>
&gt; able to cut through the depth of the roll. A knife at least four feet<b=
r>
&gt; long (to be able to cut the full circumference of the first pass)
long<br>
&gt; will be required. Rolling the canvas rolls on the floor while pressing<=
br>
&gt; the knife on it is the only way I know to achieve a clean cut. The
knife<br>
&gt; MUST be sharp and very stiff.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; If the latter, a utility knife is the right answer.<br>
<br>
I have never seen a four foot utility knife :-)<br>
<br>
An electric turkey carver is my goto for stuff like foam but the canvas
is stout and I don't see it working. <br>
<br>
A rotary razor is ideal, but the best I can come up with is a disc grinder
which doesn't have the depth. <br>
<br>
Thanks for all the ideas so far.<br>
<br>
jim<br>
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Just a thought but what if you clamp it tight right on the cut line to hold it with something that you could saw right through like plastic banding?

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I have a CX-5 whose seats feel like inflatable pool rafts. The most roly poly lack of support I've ever experienced, makes my 70s bench seats feel like Recaro buckets in comparison. 

Has anyone had experience with finding/using a shop that can handle modern seats? Googling gets me lots of hot rod reupholsters, but other than calling and taking their word for it, I don't see any "we're US Airbag Association certified repair shop" etc. 

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> On Jun 17, 2023, at 1:00 PM, Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023, 6:56 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org =
> I have a CX-5 whose seats feel like inflatable pool rafts. The most =
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> Has anyone had experience with finding/using a shop that can handle =
modern seats? Googling gets me lots of hot rod reupholsters, but other =
than calling and taking their word for it, I don't see any "we're US =
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> On Jun 15, 2023, at 1:35 PM, Donald H Locker <dhlocker@protonmail.com> =
wrote:
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> Sorry for the previous off-list reply (I didn't realise I hadn't =
replied
> on-list...) and thanks for bring it back.

I do wish the list admins would change the default reply-to to be the =
list rather than the individual. To me that's much more in keeping with =
the spirit of the list.=20

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> In any case, have you considered something like a bow saw with the =
blade
> reversed? Or a hacksaw with the blade reversed? It occurred to me that
> one needn't roll the roll entirely across the blade; one could roll
> partway, move the blade forward (or backward) then roll under the =
blade
> again.

A bow saw or other saw with hook or skip teeth rather than chipping =
teeth might work...where the concave part of the hook is razor sharp to =
slice rather than chip.=20

Yesterday I saw some long sharp landscaping blades which might work, but =
the people in question (a non-profit maker space) would likely resist =
spending that much $ on a unitasker. We do have a machine shop but none =
of those shop captains have a solution. I've seen lots of videos where =
the roll spins and all manner of things are used to cut it, but we don't =
have a way to spin it so the saw needs to be the moving part. I may give =
a fine toothed sawzall a shot and see how badly it tears the weave. =
There is a cement blade for it, but that's abrasive rather than slicing.=20=


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normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D""></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>I do wish the =
list admins would change the default reply-to to be the list rather than =
the individual. To me that's much more in keeping with the spirit of the =
list.&nbsp;</div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">In any case, have you considered something like a bow saw =
with the blade</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">reversed? Or a hacksaw with the blade reversed? It occurred =
to me that</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">one needn't =
roll the roll entirely across the blade; one could roll</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">partway, move the blade forward =
(or backward) then roll under the blade</span><br style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">again.</span></div></blockquote><br class=3D""></div><div>A =
bow saw or other saw with hook or skip teeth rather than chipping teeth =
might work...where the concave part of the hook is razor sharp to slice =
rather than chip.&nbsp;</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>Yesterday I =
saw some long sharp landscaping blades which might work, but the people =
in question (a non-profit maker space) would likely resist spending that =
much $ on a unitasker. We do have a machine shop but none of those shop =
captains have a solution. I've seen lots of videos where the roll spins =
and all manner of things are used to cut it, but we don't have a way to =
spin it so the saw needs to be the moving part. I may give a fine =
toothed sawzall a shot and see how badly it tears the weave. There is a =
cement blade for it, but that's abrasive rather than =
slicing.&nbsp;</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>jim</div><div><br =
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On 6/18/23 8:39 AM, Jim Franklin wrote:

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> I do wish the list admins would change the default reply-to to be the 
> list rather than the individual. To me that's much more in keeping with 
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>
There is no "default reply-to" for the lists.  That behavior is totally 
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I have been on lists (like this) where we're civil and low volume, so =
reply-to list was fine. And I have been on lists where otherwise mature =
adults just could not stop themselves from publicly insulting those with =
whom they disagreed, so we had to make them work for it by setting the =
reply-to to be the sender.

Relatedly, the same maker space that has the canvas rolls also has a few =
3D printers, and I've printed quite a few things, both from scratch =
using Tinkercad, and from existing internet files from Thingaverse. It's =
been a neat thing to learn and not even remotely as intimidating as I =
expected. I have not figured out how to 3D print a canvas roll cutter =
though :-)

jim

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> On Jun 19, 2023, at 8:28 PM, Tom Coradeschi <tjcora@icloud.com> wrote:
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> Actually, it is an admin configurable setting in mailman. The =
conventional wisdom (not universally accepted) is to turn it off.=20
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reply-to list was fine. And I have been on lists where otherwise mature =
adults just could not stop themselves from publicly insulting those with =
whom they disagreed, so we had to make them work for it by setting the =
reply-to to be the sender.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Relatedly, the same maker space that has the canvas rolls =
also has a few 3D printers, and I've printed quite a few things, both =
from scratch using Tinkercad, and from existing internet files from =
Thingaverse. It's been a neat thing to learn and not even remotely as =
intimidating as I expected. I have not figured out how to 3D print a =
canvas roll cutter though :-)<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
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From: Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2023 23:29:13 +0200
To: Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Foam customization on modern seats?
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Don't know anyone in that area. I take it the hot rod shops can't handle
modern seats with air bags?

________________
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Sun, Jun 18, 2023, 4:36 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:

> Littleton MA
>
> On Jun 17, 2023, at 1:00 PM, Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Where are you located?
>
> ________________
> Best Regards,
> Al Fuller
>
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023, 6:56 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
>
>> I have a CX-5 whose seats feel like inflatable pool rafts. The most roly
>> poly lack of support I've ever experienced, makes my 70s bench seats feel
>> like Recaro buckets in comparison.
>>
>> Has anyone had experience with finding/using a shop that can handle
>> modern seats? Googling gets me lots of hot rod reupholsters, but other than
>> calling and taking their word for it, I don't see any "we're US Airbag
>> Association certified repair shop" etc.
>>
>> thanks,
>> jim
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<div dir=3D"auto">Don&#39;t know anyone in that area. I take it the hot rod=
 shops can&#39;t handle modern seats with air bags?<br><br><div data-smartm=
ail=3D"gmail_signature">________________<br>Best Regards,<br>Al Fuller</div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Sun, Jun 18, 2023, 4:36 PM Jim Franklin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jamesf@gr=
oupwbench.org">jamesf@groupwbench.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white=
-space">Littleton MA<br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jun 17, =
2023, at 1:00 PM, Al Fuller &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">alfuller194@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</di=
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martmail=3D"gmail_signature">________________<br>Best Regards,<br>Al Fuller=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Fri, Jun 16, 2023, 6:56 PM Jim Franklin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jame=
sf@groupwbench.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">jamesf@groupwbench=
.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I have a CX-5 w=
hose seats feel like inflatable pool rafts. The most roly poly lack of supp=
ort I&#39;ve ever experienced, makes my 70s bench seats feel like Recaro bu=
ckets in comparison. <br>
<br>
Has anyone had experience with finding/using a shop that can handle modern =
seats? Googling gets me lots of hot rod reupholsters, but other than callin=
g and taking their word for it, I don&#39;t see any &quot;we&#39;re US Airb=
ag Association certified repair shop&quot; etc. <br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
jim<br>
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I asked about this issue some time ago.

I finally pulled my head out of my nether region and realized maybe, juuuuu=
st maybe, the coils needed to be cleaned.

So, I just did what I could do. Meaning, I can only get to about =BC to 1/3=
 of that part of the system.

I'd really like to clean all the way around this cylinder-shaped unit. So, =
how to frell do I do this?

Again, sorry this isn't shop talk related but I did use tools from my outsi=
de shop to access this impossible to clean system.

cheers
tim

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I asked about this issue some time ago.&nbsp;</div>
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I finally pulled my head out of my nether region and realized maybe, juuuuu=
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So, I just did what I could do. Meaning, I can only get to about<span>&nbsp=
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<span>I'd really like to clean all the way around this cylinder-shaped unit=
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Something like this should help

https://www.amazon.com/Cleaner-30inch-Flexible-Refrigerator-24-4inch/dp/B07J1XG1XD/

Brian

On 6/23/2023 4:28 PM, Tim . wrote:
> I asked about this issue some time ago.
>
> I finally pulled my head out of my nether region and realized maybe, 
> juuuuust maybe, the coils needed to be cleaned.
>
> So, I just did what I could do. Meaning, I can only get to about¼ to 
> 1/3 of that part of the system.
>
> I'd really like to clean all the way around this cylinder-shaped unit. 
> So, how to frell do I do this?
>
> Again, sorry this isn't shop talk related but I did use tools from my 
> outside shop to access this impossible to clean system.
>
> cheers
> tim
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    Something like this should help<br>
    <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.amazon.com/Cleaner-30inch-Flexible-Refrigerator-24-4inch/dp/B07J1XG1XD/">https://www.amazon.com/Cleaner-30inch-Flexible-Refrigerator-24-4inch/dp/B07J1XG1XD/</a><br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/23/2023 4:28 PM, Tim . wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:MN6PR14MB71975C858C12F3834EBDB42DB423A@MN6PR14MB7197.namprd14.prod.outlook.com">
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      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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        I asked about this issue some time ago. </div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="elementToProof">
        <br>
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      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="elementToProof">
        I finally pulled my head out of my nether region and realized
        maybe, juuuuust maybe, the coils needed to be cleaned.</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="elementToProof">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="elementToProof">
        So, I just did what I could do. Meaning, I can only get to about<span> <span>¼</span> to
          1/3 of that part of the system. </span></div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="elementToProof">
        <span><br>
        </span></div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="elementToProof">
        <span>I'd really like to clean all the way around this
          cylinder-shaped unit. So, how to frell do I do this?</span></div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="elementToProof">
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      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="elementToProof">
        <span class="ContentPasted0">Again, sorry this isn't shop talk
          related but I did use tools from my outside shop to access
          this impossible to clean system. </span></div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="elementToProof">
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      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="elementToProof">
        <span class="ContentPasted0">cheers</span></div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="elementToProof">
        <span class="ContentPasted0">tim</span></div>
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Blast of compressed air (preferably with refrigerator outside!)

On 24 June 2023 00:28:01 BST, "Tim =2E" <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook=2Ecom> =
wrote:
>I asked about this issue some time ago=2E
>
>I finally pulled my head out of my nether region and realized maybe, juuu=
uust maybe, the coils needed to be cleaned=2E
>
>So, I just did what I could do=2E Meaning, I can only get to about =C2=BC=
 to 1/3 of that part of the system=2E
>
>I'd really like to clean all the way around this cylinder-shaped unit=2E =
So, how to frell do I do this?
>
>Again, sorry this isn't shop talk related but I did use tools from my out=
side shop to access this impossible to clean system=2E
>
>cheers
>tim

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<body dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"auto">Blast of compressed air (preferably wi=
th refrigerator outside!)</div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"auto">On 24 June 2023 00:28:01 BST, "Tim =2E" &lt;tims_datsun_stuff@out=
look=2Ecom&gt; wrote:</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt=
; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
I asked about this issue some time ago=2E&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt=
; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt=
; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
I finally pulled my head out of my nether region and realized maybe, juuuu=
ust maybe, the coils needed to be cleaned=2E</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt=
; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt=
; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
So, I just did what I could do=2E Meaning, I can only get to about<span>&n=
bsp;<span>=C2=BC</span>&nbsp;to 1/3 of that part of the system=2E&nbsp;</sp=
an></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt=
; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<span><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt=
; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<span>I'd really like to clean all the way around this cylinder-shaped uni=
t=2E So, how to frell do I do this?</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt=
; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<span><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt=
; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<span class=3D"ContentPasted0">Again, sorry this isn't shop talk related b=
ut I did use tools from my outside shop to access this impossible to clean =
system=2E&nbsp;</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt=
; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<span class=3D"ContentPasted0"><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt=
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<span class=3D"ContentPasted0">cheers</span></div>
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<span class=3D"ContentPasted0">tim</span></div>
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s in handy on occasion.
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Dave=20


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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 23, 2023 6:28 pm
Subject: [Shop-talk] ongoing too warm refrigerator

 #yiv3829647503 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I asked about this issue s=
ome time ago.=C2=A0
I finally pulled my head out of my nether region and realized maybe, juuuuu=
st maybe, the coils needed to be cleaned.
So, I just did what I could do. Meaning, I can only get to about=C2=A0=C2=
=BC=C2=A0to 1/3 of that part of the system.=C2=A0
I'd really like to clean all the way around this cylinder-shaped unit. So, =
how to frell do I do this?
Again, sorry this isn't shop talk related but I did use tools from my outsi=
de shop to access this impossible to clean system.=C2=A0
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<div> <font size=3D"3">Have you tried compressed air?&nbsp; I have an old p=
ropane bottle with a conversion kit to make it a portable compressed air re=
servoir.&nbsp; It comes in handy on occasion.</font><br>
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 size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Tim . &lt;tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com&gt;<br>
To: Shop  Talk &lt;shop-talk@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
Sent: Fri, Jun 23, 2023 6:28 pm<br>
Subject: [Shop-talk] ongoing too warm refrigerator<br>
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I asked about this issue some time ago.&nbsp;</div>


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I finally pulled my head out of my nether region and realized maybe, juuuuu=
st maybe, the coils needed to be cleaned.</div>


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So, I just did what I could do. Meaning, I can only get to about<span>&nbsp=
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<span>I'd really like to clean all the way around this cylinder-shaped unit=
. So, how to frell do I do this?</span></div>


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<span class=3D"yiv3829647503ContentPasted0">Again, sorry this isn't shop ta=
lk related but I did use tools from my outside shop to access this impossib=
le to clean system.&nbsp;</span></div>


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Ob Shop Content, I need these all around my shop!  8>)

braintrust...

I have been in a constant battle to find an LED outdoor motion light that 
will work for more than a year or two.

I've tried cheap ones, expensive ones, and nearly everything in between.

Can someone recommend a brand/model that they have had good success with? 
I am looking for hardwired ones only, not the solar battery ones.

Thanks.

Moose
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Ob Shop Content, I need these all around
my shop! &nbsp;8&gt;)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">braintrust...</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I have been in a constant battle to
find an LED outdoor motion light that will work for more than a year or
two.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I've tried cheap ones, expensive ones,
and nearly everything in between.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Can someone recommend a brand/model
that they have had good success with? &nbsp;I am looking for hardwired
ones only, not the solar battery ones.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Moose</font>
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and nearly everything in between.</font>
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Any ideas what the failure mode was for the fixtures that have died?  
Were they the style that had non-replaceable LEDs or were they the 
old-school style that use screw-in bulbs?



On 6/28/23 07:45, eric@megageek.com wrote:
> Ob Shop Content, I need these all around my shop!  8>)
>
> braintrust...
>
> I have been in a constant battle to find an LED outdoor motion light 
> that will work for more than a year or two.
>
> I've tried cheap ones, expensive ones, and nearly everything in between.
>
> Can someone recommend a brand/model that they have had good success 
> with?  I am looking for hardwired ones only, not the solar battery ones.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Moose
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Any ideas what the failure mode was for
      the fixtures that have died?  Were they the style that had
      non-replaceable LEDs or were they the old-school style that use
      screw-in bulbs?<br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
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    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/28/23 07:45, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eric@megageek.com">eric@megageek.com</a>
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:OF89B51E35.8A82504F-ON852589DC.00405795-852589DC.00408B7F@mail.megageek.com">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Ob Shop Content, I need these all
        around
        my shop!  8&gt;)</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">braintrust...</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">I have been in a constant battle
        to
        find an LED outdoor motion light that will work for more than a
        year or
        two.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">I've tried cheap ones, expensive
        ones,
        and nearly everything in between.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Can someone recommend a
        brand/model
        that they have had good success with?  I am looking for
        hardwired
        ones only, not the solar battery ones.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Thanks.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Moose</font>
      <br>
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From: Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:00:25 -0400
To: eric@megageek.com
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED motion lights
Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
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I use the Wyze Cam Floodlight. It might be a bit more technology than you
are looking for but it's nice to be able to set the behavior and
sensitivity from the app and I'm a big fan of Wyze cameras so this puts one
in a great spot for me. I've been using mine to watch a crew do demolition
on my lakefront and put a new seawall and retaining wall in.

-Paul

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 8:03=E2=80=AFAM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

> Ob Shop Content, I need these all around my shop!  8>)
>
> braintrust...
>
> I have been in a constant battle to find an LED outdoor motion light that
> will work for more than a year or two.
>
> I've tried cheap ones, expensive ones, and nearly everything in between.
>
> Can someone recommend a brand/model that they have had good success with?
> I am looking for hardwired ones only, not the solar battery ones.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Moose_______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I use the Wyze Cam Floodlight. It might be a bit more tech=
nology than you are looking for but it&#39;s nice to be able to set the beh=
avior and sensitivity from the app and I&#39;m a big fan of Wyze cameras so=
 this puts one in a great spot for me. I&#39;ve been using mine to watch a =
crew do demolition on my lakefront and put a new seawall and retaining wall=
 in.<div><br></div><div>-Paul</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 8:03=E2=80=AFAM =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com">eric@megageek.com</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"sans-serif">Ob Shop Content, I need these all around
my shop! =C2=A08&gt;)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">braintrust...</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I have been in a constant battle t=
o
find an LED outdoor motion light that will work for more than a year or
two.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I&#39;ve tried cheap ones, expensi=
ve ones,
and nearly everything in between.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Can someone recommend a brand/mode=
l
that they have had good success with?=C2=A0 I am looking for hardwired
ones only, not the solar battery ones.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Thanks.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Moose</font>______________________=
_________________________<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">Shop-talk@aut=
ox.team.net</a><br>
et=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
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alk/parkanzky@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.=
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My modem/router is about three y ears old. It is either losing connection t=
o the web or my ISP keeps "flashing" off for lack of a better term. The con=
nection fails sometime just long enough to kick me off the vpn for work.

Can anyone see what might be the cause from these log entries?
Is my modem losing connection?
Or is my ISP the cause?

THANKS!!!
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I guess I should have stated that I've been having problems finding one 
for decades.  I had the old style with screw in bulbs (BEFORE there were 
even LEDs.)  I've tried the build in LEDs.

They mostly fail by either never turning off, or never turning on (and 
yes, I'm aware that some have 'overrides' where you turn it and off with 
the switch and it works normal, this wasn't the case.)  the last one would 
flash on and off constantly and night.



From:   Jimmie Mayfield <mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org>
To:     shop-talk@autox.team.net
Date:   06/28/2023 11:03 AM
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] LED motion lights
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>



Any ideas what the failure mode was for the fixtures that have died?  Were 
they the style that had non-replaceable LEDs or were they the old-school 
style that use screw-in bulbs?



On 6/28/23 07:45, eric@megageek.com wrote:
Ob Shop Content, I need these all around my shop!  8>) 

braintrust... 

I have been in a constant battle to find an LED outdoor motion light that 
will work for more than a year or two. 

I've tried cheap ones, expensive ones, and nearly everything in between. 

Can someone recommend a brand/model that they have had good success with? 
 I am looking for hardwired ones only, not the solar battery ones. 

Thanks. 

Moose 
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">I guess I should have stated that I've
been having problems finding one for decades. &nbsp;I had the old style
with screw in bulbs (BEFORE there were even LEDs.) &nbsp;I've tried the
build in LEDs.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">They mostly fail by either never turning
off, or never turning on (and yes, I'm aware that some have 'overrides'
where you turn it and off with the switch and it works normal, this wasn't
the case.) &nbsp;the last one would flash on and off constantly and night.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Jimmie Mayfield &lt;mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org&gt;</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">shop-talk@autox.team.net</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">06/28/2023 11:03 AM</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject: &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Re: [Shop-talk]
LED motion lights</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Sent by: &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">&quot;Shop-talk&quot;
&lt;shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</font>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3>Any ideas what the failure mode was for the fixtures that
have died?&nbsp; Were they the style that had non-replaceable LEDs or were
they the old-school style that use screw-in bulbs?</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3>On 6/28/23 07:45, </font><a href=mailto:eric@megageek.com><font size=3 color=blue><u>eric@megageek.com</u></font></a><font size=3>
wrote:</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Ob Shop Content, I need these all around
my shop! &nbsp;8&gt;)</font><font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
braintrust...</font><font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
I have been in a constant battle to find an LED outdoor motion light that
will work for more than a year or two.</font><font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
I've tried cheap ones, expensive ones, and nearly everything in between.</font><font size=3>
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Can someone recommend a brand/model that they have had good success with?
&nbsp;I am looking for hardwired ones only, not the solar battery ones.</font><font size=3>
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Thanks.</font><font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Moose</font><font size=3> </font>
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On June 27, 2023 at 6:47 PM Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live.com> wrote:


>Consider taping a smaller hose to the end of a shop vac hose.  The smaller hose may be able to snake back and

>get those hard to reach areas.  If not, move the fridge outside and, as Dave mentions below, hit it with

>compressed air.

I don't remember if this was covered, but have you defrosted the refrig. lately?  This can cause it not to cool very well.


JohnT.


John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948@cox.net
Va. Beach, Va                    Phone:  (757) 495-8229

65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)      75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget   65, 77 Spitfire   71 Saab Sonett III

65 Rambler Classic   65 Volvo P1800

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http://autox.team.net/morgan/
Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org

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low, hit it with </span></p>
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nt-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; color: #002060;">I don't remember if th=
is was covered, but have you defrosted the refrig. lately?&nbsp; This can c=
ause it not to cool very well.<br></span></p>
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, helvetica, sans-serif;">John T. Blair&nbsp; WA4OHZ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; email:&nbsp; jblair1948@cox.net</span><br><span style=3D"font-family: tah=
oma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Va. Beach, Va&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nb=
sp; Phone:&nbsp; (757) 495-8229</span><br><br><span style=3D"font-family: t=
ahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) &nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &nbsp;75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)&nbsp;</span></p>
   <p class=3D"default-style"><span style=3D"font-family: tahoma, arial, he=
lvetica, sans-serif;">48 TR1800&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48 #4 Midget&nbsp;&nbsp; =
65, 77 Spitfire&nbsp;&nbsp; 71 Saab Sonett III</span></p>
   <p class=3D"default-style"><span style=3D"font-family: tahoma, arial, he=
lvetica, sans-serif;">65 Rambler Classic&nbsp;&nbsp; 65 Volvo P1800</span><=
br><br><span style=3D"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">M=
organ:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/morgan/">http://a=
utox.team.net/morgan/<br><br></a>Bricklin:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=
=3D"http://www.bricklin.org/">http://www.bricklin.org<br><br></a>If you can=
 read this&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; - Thank a teacher!</span><br><span style=3D"font-family: tahoma, ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif;">If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet=
!!</span><br><br><span style=3D"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans=
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=3D"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."</span><br><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In God =
We Trust</span><br><span style=3D"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sa=
ns-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Liberty - the&nbsp; power&nbsp; of&nbsp=
; choosing,&nbsp; thinking,&nbsp; and&nbsp; acting&nbsp; for&nbsp; </span><=
br><span style=3D"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; oneself; freedom&nbsp; from&nbsp; control&nbsp; or&n=
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From: Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 11:27:07 -0400
To: eric@megageek.com
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED motion lights
Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
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That's a failure in the photocell or a mismatch between the bulb used and
the photocell. The photocell can't be sensitive to the light the fixture
puts out or it will see that it is dark, turn the light on, 'think' "Oh
it's light now!" and turn the light off, at which point it will see that
it's dark and restart the loop.

-Paul

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 4:28=E2=80=AFPM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

> I guess I should have stated that I've been having problems finding one
> for decades.  I had the old style with screw in bulbs (BEFORE there were
> even LEDs.)  I've tried the build in LEDs.
>
> They mostly fail by either never turning off, or never turning on (and
> yes, I'm aware that some have 'overrides' where you turn it and off with
> the switch and it works normal, this wasn't the case.)  the last one woul=
d
> flash on and off constantly and night.
>
>
>
> From:        Jimmie Mayfield <mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org>
> To:        shop-talk@autox.team.net
> Date:        06/28/2023 11:03 AM
> Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] LED motion lights
> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> Any ideas what the failure mode was for the fixtures that have died?  Wer=
e
> they the style that had non-replaceable LEDs or were they the old-school
> style that use screw-in bulbs?
>
>
>
> On 6/28/23 07:45, *eric@megageek.com* <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
> Ob Shop Content, I need these all around my shop!  8>)
>
> braintrust...
>
> I have been in a constant battle to find an LED outdoor motion light that
> will work for more than a year or two.
>
> I've tried cheap ones, expensive ones, and nearly everything in between.
>
> Can someone recommend a brand/model that they have had good success with?
>  I am looking for hardwired ones only, not the solar battery ones.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Moose
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<div dir=3D"ltr">That&#39;s a failure in the photocell or a mismatch betwee=
n the bulb used and the photocell. The photocell can&#39;t be sensitive to =
the light the fixture puts out or it will see that it is dark, turn the lig=
ht on, &#39;think&#39; &quot;Oh it&#39;s light now!&quot; and turn the ligh=
t off, at which point it will see that it&#39;s dark and restart the loop.<=
div><br></div><div>-Paul</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 4:28=E2=80=AFPM &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com">eric@megageek.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=
=3D"sans-serif">I guess I should have stated that I&#39;ve
been having problems finding one for decades.=C2=A0 I had the old style
with screw in bulbs (BEFORE there were even LEDs.) =C2=A0I&#39;ve tried the
build in LEDs.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">They mostly fail by either never t=
urning
off, or never turning on (and yes, I&#39;m aware that some have &#39;overri=
des&#39;
where you turn it and off with the switch and it works normal, this wasn&#3=
9;t
the case.) =C2=A0the last one would flash on and off constantly and night.<=
/font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">From: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">Jimmie Mayfield &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:mayfield%2Bshoptalk@sackheads.org" target=3D"_blank">mayfield+=
shoptalk@sackheads.org</a>&gt;</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">To: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif"><a href=3D"mailto:shop-ta=
lk@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a></font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">Date: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">06/28/2023 11:03 AM</font=
>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">Subject: =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">Re: [Shop-talk]
LED motion lights</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">Sent by: =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">&quot;Shop-talk&qu=
ot;
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">s=
hop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</font>
<br>
<hr noshade>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3">Any ideas what the failure mode was for the fixtures t=
hat
have died?=C2=A0 Were they the style that had non-replaceable LEDs or were
they the old-school style that use screw-in bulbs?</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3">On 6/28/23 07:45, </font><a href=3D"mailto:eric@megage=
ek.com" target=3D"_blank"><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue"><u>eric@megageek.=
com</u></font></a><font size=3D"3">
wrote:</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Ob Shop Content, I need these all =
around
my shop! =C2=A08&gt;)</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
braintrust...</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
I have been in a constant battle to find an LED outdoor motion light that
will work for more than a year or two.</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
I&#39;ve tried cheap ones, expensive ones, and nearly everything in between=
.</font><font size=3D"3">
<br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Can someone recommend a brand/model that they have had good success with?
=C2=A0I am looking for hardwired ones only, not the solar battery ones.</fo=
nt><font size=3D"3">
<br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Thanks.</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Moose</font><font size=3D"3"> </font>
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I didn't make any in small batches but i was able to reconstitute a small b=
atch of what I already have using mineral oil.
thanks!!!
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Subject: RE: Sweeping compound

Consider making it in small batches as you need it:
https://www.practicalmachinist.com/forum/threads/sweeping-compound-recipe-q=
uestion.140157/

And you can probably add some oil to the stuff you have that has dried.

Regards,

Mark Miller   707-490-5834
markmiller@threeboysfarm.com

On 5/12/2023 11:00 AM, shop-talk-request@autox.team.net wrote:
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> I've only ever been able to find it around here in big arse bags and it d=
ries out long before I ever finish a bag. Dried out makes it totally worthl=
ess. When new it is slightly oily, right?
>
> Any thoughts on how I can reconstitute it (for lack of a better term)?
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> thanks
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I didn't make any in small batches but i was able to reconstitute a small b=
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<div class=3D"PlainText">Consider making it in small batches as you need it=
: <br>
<a href=3D"https://www.practicalmachinist.com/forum/threads/sweeping-compou=
nd-recipe-question.140157/">https://www.practicalmachinist.com/forum/thread=
s/sweeping-compound-recipe-question.140157/</a><br>
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And you can probably add some oil to the stuff you have that has dried.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Mark Miller&nbsp;&nbsp; 707-490-5834<br>
markmiller@threeboysfarm.com<br>
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&gt;<br>
&gt; Any thoughts on how I can reconstitute it (for lack of a better term)?=
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From: David Scheidt <dmscheidt@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 12:22:49 -0500
To: eric@megageek.com, shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED motion lights
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