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Someone on here posted the URL for the company that sells refurbished tools=
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Please repost.

Thanks

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Not refurbished, but these two retailers have daily specials that can be 
pretty good.

https://www.homedepot.com/SpecialBuy/SpecialBuyOfTheDay
https://www.lowes.com/l/savings/daily-deals

Brian

On 6/8/2025 9:18 AM, Tim . wrote:
> Someone on here posted the URL for the company that sells refurbished 
> tools. I can't find it.
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> Please repost.
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    Not refurbished, but these two retailers have daily specials that
    can be pretty good.<br>
    <br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.homedepot.com/SpecialBuy/SpecialBuyOfTheDay">https://www.homedepot.com/SpecialBuy/SpecialBuyOfTheDay</a><br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.lowes.com/l/savings/daily-deals">https://www.lowes.com/l/savings/daily-deals</a><br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/8/2025 9:18 AM, Tim . wrote:<br>
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I bought a gas lawn edger from this place. It was new, but they had the 
best price+free shipping. No complaints.

https://www.cpooutlets.com/

Bob

On 6/8/2025 9:43 AM, Brian Kemp wrote:
> Not refurbished, but these two retailers have daily specials that can 
> be pretty good.
>
> https://www.homedepot.com/SpecialBuy/SpecialBuyOfTheDay
> https://www.lowes.com/l/savings/daily-deals
>
> Brian
>
> On 6/8/2025 9:18 AM, Tim . wrote:
>> Someone on here posted the URL for the company that sells refurbished 
>> tools. I can't find it.
>>
>> Please repost.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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    I bought a gas lawn edger from this place. It was new, but they had
    the best price+free shipping. No complaints.<br>
    <br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.cpooutlets.com/">https://www.cpooutlets.com/</a><br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/8/2025 9:43 AM, Brian Kemp wrote:<br>
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      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      Not refurbished, but these two retailers have daily specials that
      can be pretty good.<br>
      <br>
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        href="https://www.homedepot.com/SpecialBuy/SpecialBuyOfTheDay"
        moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.homedepot.com/SpecialBuy/SpecialBuyOfTheDay</a><br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
        href="https://www.lowes.com/l/savings/daily-deals"
        moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.lowes.com/l/savings/daily-deals</a><br>
      <br>
      Brian<br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/8/2025 9:18 AM, Tim . wrote:<br>
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cpooutlets.com is the one I use, primarily for DeWalt tools.=20

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity


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Someone on here posted the URL for the company that sells refurbished tools.=
 I can't find it.=20

Please repost.=20

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I typically check here before heading to the orange or blue big box:

https://www.cpooutlets.com/reconditioned_products?

All well known and respected brands with manufacturer
refurbished/reconditioned status at a discount over retail.

On Sun, Jun 8, 2025 at 9:31=E2=80=AFAM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com=
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> tools. I can't find it.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I typically check here before heading to the orange or blu=
e big box:<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.cpooutlets.com/recondi=
tioned_products">https://www.cpooutlets.com/reconditioned_products</a>?</di=
v><div><br></div><div>All well known and respected brands with manufacturer=
 refurbished/reconditioned status at a discount over retail.</div></div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 8, 2025 at 9:31=E2=80=AFAM Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com">tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com</a>&gt; w=
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Someone on here posted the URL for the company that sells refurbished tools=
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Please repost.=C2=A0</div>
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Cpooutlets.com is the one.

Thanks guys!
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From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims=
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Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2025 11:18 AM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] refurbished tools web site

Someone on here posted the URL for the company that sells refurbished tools=
. I can't find it.

Please repost.

Thanks

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I'm refurbing an old gas pump and had the windows cut at Lowes for the comp=
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molding doesn't=20
conform to the sharp 90 degree turns so I=20
need to grind down the corners into curves...
=20
I'm not a glass man but google tells me you can do this with a Dremel tool.=
   Any glass experts out there ??  This is 1/8 regular window glass=20
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From: Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net>
To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>, "shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2025 17:20:40 +0000
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John - You can try on a scrap if you have a piece. Any grinding stone =
should work.  Go slow and don't use much pressure.  I had a large piece cut=
 for a light table at a glass shop and they smoothed the edge with a belt =
sander with a narrow belt (approx 1/2").  Have the glass on a soft surface =
to help absorb vibrations.  Of course, wear eye protection.

You could also look for a stained glass shop in your area.  They will have =
a special glass grinder, kind of like a router table and will leave a very =
nice edge.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
Sent: Jun 9, 2025 9:37 AM
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] grind glass

I'm refurbing an old gas pump and had the windows cut at Lowes for the =
computer.  They have a rubber molding that goes around them
and resembles a windshield molding and has to be roped into the door.  The =
molding doesn't conform to the sharp 90 degree turns so I=20
need to grind down the corners into curves...
=20
I'm not a glass man but google tells me you can do this with a Dremel tool.=
   Any glass experts out there ??  This is 1/8 regular window glass=20
=20
I'd appreciate any advice on procedure and type of bit to use... Educate =
me
=20
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<div style=3D"color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12p=
t"><p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">John - You can try on a=
 scrap if you have a piece. Any grinding stone should work.&nbsp; Go slow =
and don't use much pressure.&nbsp; I had a large piece cut for a light =
table at a glass shop and they smoothed the edge with a belt sander with a =
narrow belt (approx 1/2").&nbsp; Have the glass on a soft surface to help =
absorb vibrations.&nbsp; Of course, wear eye protection.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">You could also look for a =
stained glass shop in your area.&nbsp; They will have a special glass =
grinder, kind of like a router table and will leave a very nice edge.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">Brian</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
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solid #aaa; box-sizing: border-box; padding: 10px 0 10px 15px; margin: =
0;">
<p>-----Original Message-----<br>From: john niolon &lt;jniolon@att.=
net&gt;<br>Sent: Jun 9, 2025 9:37 AM<br>To: shop-talk &lt;shop-talk@autox.=
team.net&gt;<br>Subject: [Shop-talk] grind glass</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">&nbsp;</p>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Segoe UI;">I'm refurbing an old gas pump =
and had the windows cut at Lowes for the computer.&nbsp; They have a rubber=
 molding that goes around them</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Segoe UI;">and resembles a windshield =
molding and has to be roped into the door.&nbsp; The molding doesn't =
conform to the sharp 90 degree turns so I </span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Segoe UI;">need to grind down the corners =
into curves...</span></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Segoe UI;">I'm not a glass man but google =
tells me you can do this with a Dremel tool.&nbsp;&nbsp; Any glass experts =
out there ??&nbsp; This is 1/8 regular window glass </span></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Segoe UI;">I'd appreciate any advice on =
procedure and type of bit to use... Educate me</span></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Segoe UI;">john</span></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>

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From: Shannah Miller <shannahquilts@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2025 13:24:29 -0700
To: Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] grind glass
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
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I've done a fair amount of work in glass/stained glass,
and a diamond bit in a Dremel will work fine.  The key
is to keep it cool.  We had a system that would drip water,
and I'd keep the glass and bit under the drip and it
worked fine.

Taking it to a glass shop is easier, if you have one nearby,
because their grinders can grind along a line very easily.

Shannah

On Mon, Jun 9, 2025 at 10:45=E2=80=AFAM Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net> wro=
te:

> John - You can try on a scrap if you have a piece. Any grinding stone
> should work.  Go slow and don't use much pressure.  I had a large piece c=
ut
> for a light table at a glass shop and they smoothed the edge with a belt
> sander with a narrow belt (approx 1/2").  Have the glass on a soft surfac=
e
> to help absorb vibrations.  Of course, wear eye protection.
>
>
>
> You could also look for a stained glass shop in your area.  They will hav=
e
> a special glass grinder, kind of like a router table and will leave a ver=
y
> nice edge.
>
>
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
> Sent: Jun 9, 2025 9:37 AM
> To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Shop-talk] grind glass
>
>
> I'm refurbing an old gas pump and had the windows cut at Lowes for the
> computer.  They have a rubber molding that goes around them
> and resembles a windshield molding and has to be roped into the door.  Th=
e
> molding doesn't conform to the sharp 90 degree turns so I
> need to grind down the corners into curves...
>
> I'm not a glass man but google tells me you can do this with a Dremel
> tool.   Any glass experts out there ??  This is 1/8 regular window glass
>
> I'd appreciate any advice on procedure and type of bit to use... Educate =
me
>
> john
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I&#39;ve done a fair amount of work in glass/stained =
glass,</div><div>and a diamond bit in a Dremel will work fine.=C2=A0 The ke=
y</div><div>is to keep it cool.=C2=A0 We had a system that would drip water=
,</div><div>and I&#39;d keep the glass and bit under the drip and it</div><=
div>worked fine.</div><div><br></div><div>Taking it to a glass shop is easi=
er, if you have one nearby,</div><div>because their grinders can grind alon=
g a line very easily.</div><div><br></div><div>Shannah</div></div><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Mon, Jun 9, 2025 at 10:45=E2=80=AFAM Brian Kemp &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:bk13@earthlink.net">bk13@earthlink.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p=
x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);f=
ont-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0px;l=
ine-height:1">John - You can try on a scrap if you have a piece. Any grindi=
ng stone should work.=C2=A0 Go slow and don&#39;t use much pressure.=C2=A0 =
I had a large piece cut for a light table at a glass shop and they smoothed=
 the edge with a belt sander with a narrow belt (approx 1/2&quot;).=C2=A0 H=
ave the glass on a soft surface to help absorb vibrations.=C2=A0 Of course,=
 wear eye protection.</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">You could also look for a stai=
ned glass shop in your area.=C2=A0 They will have a special glass grinder, =
kind of like a router table and will leave a very nice edge.</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">Brian</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div style=3D"border-left:1px solid rgb(170,170,170);box-sizing:border-box;=
padding:10px 0px 10px 15px;margin:0px">
<p>-----Original Message-----<br>From: john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jn=
iolon@att.net" target=3D"_blank">jniolon@att.net</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Jun 9, 20=
25 9:37 AM<br>To: shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"=
 target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>Subject: [Shop-talk]=
 grind glass</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">=C2=A0</p>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:Segoe UI">I&#39;m refurbing an old gas pump=
 and had the windows cut at Lowes for the computer.=C2=A0 They have a rubbe=
r molding that goes around them</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:Segoe UI">and resembles a windshield moldin=
g and has to be roped into the door.=C2=A0 The molding doesn&#39;t conform =
to the sharp 90 degree turns so I </span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:Segoe UI">need to grind down the corners in=
to curves...</span></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:Segoe UI">I&#39;m not a glass man but googl=
e tells me you can do this with a Dremel tool.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Any glass expert=
s out there ??=C2=A0 This is 1/8 regular window glass </span></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:Segoe UI">I&#39;d appreciate any advice on =
procedure and type of bit to use... Educate me</span></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:Segoe UI">john</span></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
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Team,

Does anyone have an online source for garage door openers for larger 
doors?

I have a 12X12 insulated door and my opener just quit.

It was a Raynor 1/2 and lasted 23 years (so it really didn't owe me 
anything.)  It failed most likely because the springs weren't tension 
properly (they 'slacken' over time and I never readjusted them. That has 
since been corrected.)

Anyway, local place that did the install quoted 2 grand for a new one 
installed.

I just want to buy one and install it myself.  But all I find are the 'big 
box' brands that have wifi and such and 3 and 4 piece 8' rails.

I do NOT want wifi.  Just a button.  Also, I want a 12' one piece rail, so 
I guess that is why I'm having a hard time finding them online.

Anyone got any suggestions?

Thanks.

Moose.
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Team,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Does anyone have an online source for
garage door openers for larger doors?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I have a 12X12 insulated door and my
opener just quit.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
It was a Raynor 1/2 and lasted 23 years (so it really didn't owe me anything.)
&nbsp;It failed most likely because the springs weren't tension properly
(they 'slacken' over time and I never readjusted them. That has since been
corrected.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Anyway, local place that did the install
quoted 2 grand for a new one installed.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I just want to buy one and install it
myself. &nbsp;But all I find are the 'big box' brands that have wifi and
such and 3 and 4 piece 8' rails.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I do NOT want wifi. &nbsp;Just a button.
&nbsp;Also, I want a 12' one piece rail, so I guess that is why I'm having
a hard time finding them online.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Anyone got any suggestions?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Moose.</font>
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2025 13:42:22 -0400
To: eric@megageek.com
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$2K for an opener seems outrageous.  Are you a Costco member?  I just had 3
8x7 garage doors (mid range in quality) with openers with cameras installed
through Costco for under $10K after discounts (Central NJ for context). I
think the openers were around $800 each, but I don't know if they will do
just openers without the doors.  It may be worth looking into.

Tom

On Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 12:24=E2=80=AFPM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

> Team,
>
> Does anyone have an online source for garage door openers for larger door=
s?
>
> I have a 12X12 insulated door and my opener just quit.
>
> It was a Raynor 1/2 and lasted 23 years (so it really didn't owe me
> anything.)  It failed most likely because the springs weren't tension
> properly (they 'slacken' over time and I never readjusted them. That has
> since been corrected.)
>
> Anyway, local place that did the install quoted 2 grand for a new one
> installed.
>
> I just want to buy one and install it myself.  But all I find are the 'bi=
g
> box' brands that have wifi and such and 3 and 4 piece 8' rails.
>
> I do NOT want wifi.  Just a button.  Also, I want a 12' one piece rail, s=
o
> I guess that is why I'm having a hard time finding them online.
>
> Anyone got any suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Moose._______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk@autox.team.net
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<div dir=3D"ltr">$2K for an opener seems outrageous.=C2=A0 Are you a Costco=
 member?=C2=A0 I just had 3 8x7 garage doors (mid range in quality) with op=
eners with cameras installed through Costco for under $10K after discounts =
(Central NJ for context). I think the openers were around $800 each, but I =
don&#39;t know if they will do just openers without the doors.=C2=A0 It may=
 be worth looking into.<div><br></div><div>Tom</div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 12:24=E2=80=AFPM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek=
.com">eric@megageek.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Team,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Does anyone have an online source =
for
garage door openers for larger doors?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I have a 12X12 insulated door and =
my
opener just quit.</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
It was a Raynor 1/2 and lasted 23 years (so it really didn&#39;t owe me any=
thing.)
=C2=A0It failed most likely because the springs weren&#39;t tension properl=
y
(they &#39;slacken&#39; over time and I never readjusted them. That has sin=
ce been
corrected.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Anyway, local place that did the i=
nstall
quoted 2 grand for a new one installed.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I just want to buy one and install=
 it
myself.=C2=A0 But all I find are the &#39;big box&#39; brands that have wif=
i and
such and 3 and 4 piece 8&#39; rails.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I do NOT want wifi.=C2=A0 Just a b=
utton.
=C2=A0Also, I want a 12&#39; one piece rail, so I guess that is why I&#39;m=
 having
a hard time finding them online.</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Anyone got any suggestions?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Thanks.</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Moose.</font>_______________________________________________<br>
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Moose, I have a 12=E2=80=99x10=E2=80=99 insulated door on my shop. I didn=E2=
=80=99t want a screw or chain drive because I didn=E2=80=99t have the availa=
ble overhead space so I went with a shaft (or wall mount) opener from Liftma=
ster. Works great. It has Wi-Fi & BT, but they don=E2=80=99t need to be used=
 except for setup. I got mine from Lowe=E2=80=99s as an unopened special ord=
er that was never picked up, discounted 50%!=20

I haven=E2=80=99t looked, but you might be able to find one online @ a disco=
unt shop.=20

There are some that have battery backup built in if that would be helpful.=20=


Peace, Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Jun 12, 2025, at 11:36=E2=80=AFAM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

=EF=BB=BFTeam,

Does anyone have an online source for garage door openers for larger doors?

I have a 12X12 insulated door and my opener just quit.

It was a Raynor 1/2 and lasted 23 years (so it really didn't owe me anything=
.)  It failed most likely because the springs weren't tension properly (they=
 'slacken' over time and I never readjusted them. That has since been correc=
ted.)

Anyway, local place that did the install quoted 2 grand for a new one instal=
led.

I just want to buy one and install it myself.  But all I find are the 'big b=
ox' brands that have wifi and such and 3 and 4 piece 8' rails.

I do NOT want wifi.  Just a button.  Also, I want a 12' one piece rail, so I=
 guess that is why I'm having a hard time finding them online.

Anyone got any suggestions?

Thanks.

Moose._______________________________________________

Shop-talk@autox.team.net
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Moose, I have a 12=E2=80=99x10=E2=80=99 ins=
ulated door on my shop. I didn=E2=80=99t want a screw or chain drive because=
 I didn=E2=80=99t have the available overhead space so I went with a shaft (=
or wall mount) opener from Liftmaster. Works great. It has Wi-Fi &amp; BT, b=
ut they don=E2=80=99t need to be used except for setup. I got mine from Lowe=
=E2=80=99s as an unopened special order that was never picked up, discounted=
 50%!&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I haven=E2=80=99t looked, but you might be ab=
le to find one online @ a discount shop.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Ther=
e are some that have battery backup built in if that would be helpful.&nbsp;=
</div><div><br></div><div>Peace, Pat</div><div><br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginnin=
gOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Hu=
manity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 12, 2025, at 11=
:36=E2=80=AFAM, eric@megageek.com wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
=BF<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Team,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Does anyone have an online source f=
or
garage door openers for larger doors?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I have a 12X12 insulated door and m=
y
opener just quit.</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
It was a Raynor 1/2 and lasted 23 years (so it really didn't owe me anything=
.)
&nbsp;It failed most likely because the springs weren't tension properly
(they 'slacken' over time and I never readjusted them. That has since been
corrected.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Anyway, local place that did the in=
stall
quoted 2 grand for a new one installed.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I just want to buy one and install i=
t
myself. &nbsp;But all I find are the 'big box' brands that have wifi and
such and 3 and 4 piece 8' rails.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I do NOT want wifi. &nbsp;Just a bu=
tton.
&nbsp;Also, I want a 12' one piece rail, so I guess that is why I'm having
a hard time finding them online.</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Anyone got any suggestions?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Thanks.</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Moose.</font><span>_______________________________________________</span><br=
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From: Benjamin Zwissler <bjzwissler@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2025 14:44:00 -0400
To: eric@megageek.com
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door openers
Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
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You need to look for a commercial opener.  I have about 10 in my building
and $2k isn't a bad price installed.  Most of mine are Chamberlain
LiftMaster Professional, Medium Duty.  They usually have dual one piece
rails.  Most don't have the bells and whistles that home openers do but
they're made for heavier loads and more frequent use.  From what I can see
they'll be over $1000 for the basic system, plus parts specific to your
installation.  Rails for a 12' door will have to be truck freighted
straight to you so that'll add $$$s too.

Commercial garage doors are something I just call the professionals for.

Good luck, Ben


Ben Zwissler
bjzwissler@gmail.com
812-343-5533
Columbus, IN


On Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 12:30=E2=80=AFPM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

> Team,
>
> Does anyone have an online source for garage door openers for larger door=
s?
>
> I have a 12X12 insulated door and my opener just quit.
>
> It was a Raynor 1/2 and lasted 23 years (so it really didn't owe me
> anything.)  It failed most likely because the springs weren't tension
> properly (they 'slacken' over time and I never readjusted them. That has
> since been corrected.)
>
> Anyway, local place that did the install quoted 2 grand for a new one
> installed.
>
> I just want to buy one and install it myself.  But all I find are the 'bi=
g
> box' brands that have wifi and such and 3 and 4 piece 8' rails.
>
> I do NOT want wifi.  Just a button.  Also, I want a 12' one piece rail, s=
o
> I guess that is why I'm having a hard time finding them online.
>
> Anyone got any suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Moose._______________________________________________
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>You need to look for a commercial opener.=C2=A0 I hav=
e about 10 in my building and $2k isn&#39;t a bad price installed.=C2=A0 Mo=
st of mine are Chamberlain LiftMaster Professional, Medium Duty.=C2=A0 They=
 usually have dual one piece rails.=C2=A0 Most don&#39;t have the bells and=
 whistles that home openers do but they&#39;re made for heavier loads and m=
ore frequent use.=C2=A0 From what I can see they&#39;ll be over $1000 for t=
he basic system, plus parts specific to your installation.=C2=A0 Rails for =
a 12&#39; door will have to be truck freighted straight to you so that&#39;=
ll add $$$s too.</div><div><br></div><div>Commercial garage doors are somet=
hing I just call the professionals for.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Good=
 luck, Ben</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Ben Zwissler<br></div><a href=3D"mailto:bjzwi=
ssler@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">bjzwissler@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>8=
12-343-5533</div>Columbus, IN<br></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 12:30=E2=80=AFPM &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:eric@megageek.com">eric@megageek.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif=
">Team,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Does anyone have an online source =
for
garage door openers for larger doors?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I have a 12X12 insulated door and =
my
opener just quit.</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
It was a Raynor 1/2 and lasted 23 years (so it really didn&#39;t owe me any=
thing.)
=C2=A0It failed most likely because the springs weren&#39;t tension properl=
y
(they &#39;slacken&#39; over time and I never readjusted them. That has sin=
ce been
corrected.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Anyway, local place that did the i=
nstall
quoted 2 grand for a new one installed.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I just want to buy one and install=
 it
myself.=C2=A0 But all I find are the &#39;big box&#39; brands that have wif=
i and
such and 3 and 4 piece 8&#39; rails.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I do NOT want wifi.=C2=A0 Just a b=
utton.
=C2=A0Also, I want a 12&#39; one piece rail, so I guess that is why I&#39;m=
 having
a hard time finding them online.</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Anyone got any suggestions?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Thanks.</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Moose.</font>_______________________________________________<br>
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Without searching, Amazon has myLliftmaster=
 for $650. It was easy to install.&nbsp;<div><br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningO=
fSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Huma=
nity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 12, 2025, at 2:04=
=E2=80=AFPM, Tom FitzGibbon &lt;fitzgibbontm@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">$2K for an opener seems outrag=
eous.&nbsp; Are you a Costco member?&nbsp; I just had 3 8x7 garage doors (mi=
d range in quality) with openers with cameras installed through Costco for u=
nder $10K after discounts (Central NJ for context). I think the openers were=
 around $800 each, but I don't know if they will do just openers without the=
 doors.&nbsp; It may be worth looking into.<div><br></div><div>Tom</div></di=
v><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 12:24=E2=80=AFPM &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:eric@megageek.com">eric@megageek.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
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eam,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Does anyone have an online source f=
or
garage door openers for larger doors?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I have a 12X12 insulated door and m=
y
opener just quit.</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
It was a Raynor 1/2 and lasted 23 years (so it really didn't owe me anything=
.)
&nbsp;It failed most likely because the springs weren't tension properly
(they 'slacken' over time and I never readjusted them. That has since been
corrected.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Anyway, local place that did the in=
stall
quoted 2 grand for a new one installed.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I just want to buy one and install i=
t
myself.&nbsp; But all I find are the 'big box' brands that have wifi and
such and 3 and 4 piece 8' rails.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I do NOT want wifi.&nbsp; Just a bu=
tton.
&nbsp;Also, I want a 12' one piece rail, so I guess that is why I'm having
a hard time finding them online.</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Anyone got any suggestions?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Thanks.</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
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Friends,

Some updates-

I looked into Jackshaft openers and the thing is my unit doesn't have any 
extra pipe sticking out of the side to mount one on.  They do seem nice.

I really don't want anything but an opener that works with a button .  I 
have my one remote unit that works on a totally different frequency then 
normal garage door openers and it operates a relay to open the door like a 
switch.  I DO NOT do any "IOT" devices (where the "S" stands for 
"security")

I think if I do a traditional 'carriage' unit, that a solid 12' bar is 
important, so that means I can't get one at HD, Lowes, or Cosco.

Also, I don't need the battery back up, my whole compound has backup 
power.  8>)

I think I just need to get some more estimates from local companies.  I 
think that is my best route at this point.

Thanks again everyone!

Moose
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Friends,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Some updates-</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I looked into Jackshaft openers and
the thing is my unit doesn't have any extra pipe sticking out of the side
to mount one on. &nbsp;They do seem nice.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I really don't want anything but an
opener that works with a button . &nbsp;I have my one remote unit that
works on a totally different frequency then normal garage door openers
and it operates a relay to open the door like a switch. &nbsp;I DO NOT
do any &quot;IOT&quot; devices (where the &quot;S&quot; stands for &quot;security&quot;)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I think if I do a traditional 'carriage'
unit, that a solid 12' bar is important, so that means I can't get one
at HD, Lowes, or Cosco.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Also, I don't need the battery back
up, my whole compound has backup power. &nbsp;8&gt;)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I think I just need to get some more
estimates from local companies. &nbsp;I think that is my best route at
this point.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks again everyone!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Moose</font>
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re: "... I really don't want anything but an opener that works with a 
button ..."

Apparently, you've never gotten 15 miles from home and had the thought: 
"Did I shut the garage door???"

There's an app for that.

bs


On 6/13/2025 4:43 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:
> Friends,
>
> Some updates-
>
> I looked into Jackshaft openers and the thing is my unit doesn't have 
> any extra pipe sticking out of the side to mount one on.  They do seem 
> nice.
>
> I really don't want anything but an opener that works with a button . 
>  I have my one remote unit that works on a totally different frequency 
> then normal garage door openers and it operates a relay to open the 
> door like a switch.  I DO NOT do any "IOT" devices (where the "S" 
> stands for "security")
>
> I think if I do a traditional 'carriage' unit, that a solid 12' bar is 
> important, so that means I can't get one at HD, Lowes, or Cosco.
>
> Also, I don't need the battery back up, my whole compound has backup 
> power.  8>)
>
> I think I just need to get some more estimates from local companies. 
>  I think that is my best route at this point.
>
> Thanks again everyone!
>
> Moose
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    re: "... <font size="2" face="sans-serif">I really don't want
      anything but an
      opener that works with a button ..."<br>
      <br>
      Apparently, you've never gotten 15 miles from home and had the
      thought: "Did I shut the garage door???"<br>
      <br>
      There's an app for that.<br>
      <br>
      bs<br>
      <br>
    </font><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/13/2025 4:43 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eric@megageek.com">eric@megageek.com</a>
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:OF337ED4EA.6C6A6CD6-ON85258CA8.00403EED-85258CA8.00406BE4@mail.megageek.com">
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      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Friends,</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Some updates-</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">I looked into Jackshaft openers
        and
        the thing is my unit doesn't have any extra pipe sticking out of
        the side
        to mount one on.  They do seem nice.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">I really don't want anything but
        an
        opener that works with a button .  I have my one remote unit
        that
        works on a totally different frequency then normal garage door
        openers
        and it operates a relay to open the door like a switch.  I DO
        NOT
        do any "IOT" devices (where the "S" stands for "security")</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">I think if I do a traditional
        'carriage'
        unit, that a solid 12' bar is important, so that means I can't
        get one
        at HD, Lowes, or Cosco.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Also, I don't need the battery
        back
        up, my whole compound has backup power.  8&gt;)</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">I think I just need to get some
        more
        estimates from local companies.  I think that is my best route
        at
        this point.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Thanks again everyone!</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Moose</font>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2025 16:43:57 -0400
Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door openers
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Fortunately, there's also a neighbor for that.   =F0=9F=98=81

On Fri, Jun 13, 2025 at 11:48=E2=80=AFAM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>=
 wrote:

> re: "... I really don't want anything but an opener that works with a
> button ..."
>
> Apparently, you've never gotten 15 miles from home and had the thought:
> "Did I shut the garage door???"
>
> There's an app for that.
>
> bs
>
>
> On 6/13/2025 4:43 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:
>
> Friends,
>
> Some updates-
>
> I looked into Jackshaft openers and the thing is my unit doesn't have any
> extra pipe sticking out of the side to mount one on.  They do seem nice.
>
> I really don't want anything but an opener that works with a button .  I
> have my one remote unit that works on a totally different frequency then
> normal garage door openers and it operates a relay to open the door like =
a
> switch.  I DO NOT do any "IOT" devices (where the "S" stands for "securit=
y")
>
> I think if I do a traditional 'carriage' unit, that a solid 12' bar is
> important, so that means I can't get one at HD, Lowes, or Cosco.
>
> Also, I don't need the battery back up, my whole compound has backup
> power.  8>)
>
> I think I just need to get some more estimates from local companies.  I
> think that is my best route at this point.
>
> Thanks again everyone!
>
> Moose
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Fortunately, there&#39;s also a neighbor for that.=C2=A0 =
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"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 13, 2025 at 11:48=E2=80=
=AFAM Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net">bspidell@comc=
ast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
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    re: &quot;...=C2=A0<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I really don&#3=
9;t want
      anything but an
      opener that works with a button ...&quot;<br>
      <br>
      Apparently, you&#39;ve never gotten 15 miles from home and had the
      thought: &quot;Did I shut the garage door???&quot;<br>
      <br>
      There&#39;s an app for that.<br>
      <br>
      bs<br>
      <br>
    </font><br>
    <div>On 6/13/2025 4:43 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com" target=
=3D"_blank">eric@megageek.com</a>
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Friends,</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Some updates-</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I looked into Jackshaft openers
        and
        the thing is my unit doesn&#39;t have any extra pipe sticking out o=
f
        the side
        to mount one on.=C2=A0 They do seem nice.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I really don&#39;t want anything=
 but
        an
        opener that works with a button .=C2=A0 I have my one remote unit
        that
        works on a totally different frequency then normal garage door
        openers
        and it operates a relay to open the door like a switch.=C2=A0 I DO
        NOT
        do any &quot;IOT&quot; devices (where the &quot;S&quot; stands for =
&quot;security&quot;)</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I think if I do a traditional
        &#39;carriage&#39;
        unit, that a solid 12&#39; bar is important, so that means I can&#3=
9;t
        get one
        at HD, Lowes, or Cosco.</font>
      <br>
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      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Also, I don&#39;t need the batte=
ry
        back
        up, my whole compound has backup power. =C2=A08&gt;)</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I think I just need to get some
        more
        estimates from local companies.=C2=A0 I think that is my best route
        at
        this point.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Thanks again everyone!</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Moose</font>
      <br>
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From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2025 14:30:32 -0400
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Subject: [Shop-talk] Rebuilding a Battery Pack vs Buying New Generic
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I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to =
continue using for quick, non critical cuts.  The only problem is that =
the NiCad batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be =
useful. And, I don=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. =
Milwaukee M18, batteries in a 24v system.  Besides, there don=E2=80=99t =
appear to be any adaptors available.

So, that leaves me with two choices: rebuild my current batteries or buy =
new ones on Amazon.  I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart =
and can see that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of =
them!  I=E2=80=99ve never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty =
straight forward; just time consuming.  20 Sub C batteries would run me =
about $40-50.  (Having it done professionally looks to cost at least =
twice that.)  Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for =
just a few bucks more.  =
(https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B=
073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17). =20

I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries are also made in China, but =
is there any reason to assume that rebuilding the packs myself will =
result in a better, longer lasting battery?  Any advice from those who =
have done this before will be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Jim=

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Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to continue using for =
quick, non critical cuts. &nbsp;The only problem is that the NiCad =
batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be useful. And, I =
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&nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart and can see that =
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From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com>
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I used to have an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery that eve=
ntually stopped being usable.=C2=A0 I bought a pair of lithium-based replac=
ement batteries.=C2=A0 On the surface they looked like a much better option=
 with double the capacity and they worked with existing drill and charger.=
=C2=A0 But (there's always a but, isn't there?) to make Lithium batteries w=
ork in a Ni-Cad environment required a electronic circuit and this circuit =
was always on and drew enough power to deplete the battery overnight.=C2=A0=
 I could charge them up in the evening and the next morning they would be c=
lose to dead.
But I see these are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.=C2=A0 Ni-MH batteries h=
ave characteristics more similar to Lithium - at least with regards to the =
charging regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I am familiar=
 with this) but are less susceptible to abuse.=C2=A0 I also see the bullet =
point about no self-discharge - which was my problem.=C2=A0 This is a $45 g=
amble (as it is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.=C2=
=A0 This might be a good one.=C2=A0 Let us know.
BTW I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.=C2=A0 I p=
itched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the batteries.
Dave=20


=20

    On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gma=
il.com> wrote:  =20

 I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to continue=
 using for quick, non critical cuts. =C2=A0The only problem is that the NiC=
ad batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be useful. And, I d=
on=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18, bat=
teries in a 24v system. =C2=A0Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appear to be any=
 adaptors available.
So, that leaves me with two choices: rebuild my current batteries or buy ne=
w ones on Amazon. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart a=
nd can see that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of them! =
=C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight=
 forward; just time consuming. =C2=A020 Sub C batteries would run me about =
$40-50. =C2=A0(Having it done professionally looks to cost at least twice t=
hat.) =C2=A0Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for just a=
 few bucks more. =C2=A0(https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-C=
ompatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17). =C2=A0
I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries are also made in China, but is t=
here any reason to assume that rebuilding the packs myself will result in a=
 better, longer lasting battery? =C2=A0Any advice from those who have done =
this before will be much appreciated.
Thanks,Jim_______________________________________________

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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydp5b697443yahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I used to have an old Makita drill that came=
 with Ni-Cad a battery that eventually stopped being usable.&nbsp; I bought=
 a pair of lithium-based replacement batteries.&nbsp; On the surface they l=
ooked like a much better option with double the capacity and they worked wi=
th existing drill and charger.&nbsp; But (there's always a but, isn't there=
?) to make Lithium batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment required a electr=
onic circuit and this circuit was always on and drew enough power to deplet=
e the battery overnight.&nbsp; I could charge them up in the evening and th=
e next morning they would be close to dead.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setd=
ir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">But I see the=
se are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.&nbsp; Ni-MH batteries have character=
istics more similar to Lithium - at least with regards to the charging regi=
me (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I am familiar with this) b=
ut are less susceptible to abuse.&nbsp; I also see the bullet point about n=
o self-discharge - which was my problem.&nbsp; This is a $45 gamble (as it =
is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.&nbsp; This might=
 be a good one.&nbsp; Let us know.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fal=
se"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">BTW I bought a pair of=
 Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.&nbsp; I pitched all my Ni-Cad d=
rills and recycled the batteries.</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydp5b69=
7443signature"><div style=3D"color: black; font-style: normal; font-size-ad=
just: none; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; lin=
e-height: normal; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><div style=3D=
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mal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-famil=
y: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><div><font size=3D"4">Dave <br></font></d=
iv><div><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;=
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                        On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim S=
tone &lt;1789alpine@gmail.com&gt; wrote:
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                </div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica=
, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;border-left: 1px solid #cc=
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp39c7469ayiv7389328937"><div>I have an ol=
d Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to continue using for qu=
ick, non critical cuts. &nbsp;The only problem is that the NiCad batteries =
won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be useful. And, I don=E2=80=99t =
think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18, batteries in a 2=
4v system. &nbsp;Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appear to be any adaptors ava=
ilable.<div><br></div><div>So, that leaves me with two choices: rebuild my =
current batteries or buy new ones on Amazon. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve taken one o=
f the battery packs apart and can see that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v=
 batteries - 20 of them! &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve never rebuilt battery packs but=
 it looks pretty straight forward; just time consuming. &nbsp;20 Sub C batt=
eries would run me about $40-50. &nbsp;(Having it done professionally looks=
 to cost at least twice that.) &nbsp;Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made re=
placement pack for just a few bucks more. &nbsp;(<a href=3D"https://www.ama=
zon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Ds=
r_1_17" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Re=
placement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17</a>). &nbs=
p;</div><div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries are =
also made in China, but is there any reason to assume that rebuilding the p=
acks myself will result in a better, longer lasting battery? &nbsp;Any advi=
ce from those who have done this before will be much appreciated.</div><div=
><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jim</div></div></div>____________________=
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Thanks, David.  I hadn=E2=80=99t noticed that the Amazon replacement was =
Ni-MH.  I know a little bit about Li-Ion and Ni-Cad batteries but =
nothing about Ni-MH.  Does the fact that the replacements would be Ni-MH =
have any impact on my rebuild vs. buy decision?

Jim

> On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> I used to have an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery =
that eventually stopped being usable.  I bought a pair of lithium-based =
replacement batteries.  On the surface they looked like a much better =
option with double the capacity and they worked with existing drill and =
charger.  But (there's always a but, isn't there?) to make Lithium =
batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment required a electronic circuit and =
this circuit was always on and drew enough power to deplete the battery =
overnight.  I could charge them up in the evening and the next morning =
they would be close to dead.
>=20
> But I see these are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.  Ni-MH batteries =
have characteristics more similar to Lithium - at least with regards to =
the charging regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I am =
familiar with this) but are less susceptible to abuse.  I also see the =
bullet point about no self-discharge - which was my problem.  This is a =
$45 gamble (as it is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but =
YMMV.  This might be a good one.  Let us know.
>=20
> BTW I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.  I =
pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the batteries.
>=20
> Dave
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim Stone =
<1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to =
continue using for quick, non critical cuts.  The only problem is that =
the NiCad batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be =
useful. And, I don=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. =
Milwaukee M18, batteries in a 24v system.  Besides, there don=E2=80=99t =
appear to be any adaptors available.
>=20
> So, that leaves me with two choices: rebuild my current batteries or =
buy new ones on Amazon.  I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs =
apart and can see that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 =
of them!  I=E2=80=99ve never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty =
straight forward; just time consuming.  20 Sub C batteries would run me =
about $40-50.  (Having it done professionally looks to cost at least =
twice that.)  Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for =
just a few bucks more.  =
(https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B=
073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17). =20
>=20
> I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries are also made in China, but =
is there any reason to assume that rebuilding the packs myself will =
result in a better, longer lasting battery?  Any advice from those who =
have done this before will be much appreciated.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Jim
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Thanks, David. =
&nbsp;I hadn=E2=80=99t noticed that the Amazon replacement was Ni-MH. =
&nbsp;I know a little bit about Li-Ion and Ni-Cad batteries but nothing =
about Ni-MH. &nbsp;Does the fact that the replacements would be Ni-MH =
have any impact on my rebuild vs. buy =
decision?<div><br></div><div>Jim<br><div><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASSEY =
&lt;dave1massey@cs.com&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div><div =
class=3D"ydp5b697443yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Arial, =
Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false">I used to have an old Makita drill that came with =
Ni-Cad a battery that eventually stopped being usable.&nbsp; I bought a =
pair of lithium-based replacement batteries.&nbsp; On the surface they =
looked like a much better option with double the capacity and they =
worked with existing drill and charger.&nbsp; But (there's always a but, =
isn't there?) to make Lithium batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment =
required a electronic circuit and this circuit was always on and drew =
enough power to deplete the battery overnight.&nbsp; I could charge them =
up in the evening and the next morning they would be close to =
dead.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">But I see these are Nickel-Metal =
Hydride batteries.&nbsp; Ni-MH batteries have characteristics more =
similar to Lithium - at least with regards to the charging regime (I've =
designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I am familiar with this) but are =
less susceptible to abuse.&nbsp; I also see the bullet point about no =
self-discharge - which was my problem.&nbsp; This is a $45 gamble (as it =
is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.&nbsp; This =
might be a good one.&nbsp; Let us know.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">BTW=
 I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.&nbsp; I =
pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the =
batteries.</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydp5b697443signature"><div =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-weight: =
normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; =
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                        On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, =
Jim Stone &lt;1789alpine@gmail.com&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp39c7469ayiv7389328937"><div>I have an =
old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to continue using =
for quick, non critical cuts. &nbsp;The only problem is that the NiCad =
batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be useful. And, I =
don=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18, =
batteries in a 24v system. &nbsp;Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appear to =
be any adaptors available.<div><br></div><div>So, that leaves me with =
two choices: rebuild my current batteries or buy new ones on Amazon. =
&nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart and can see that =
it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of them! &nbsp;I=E2=80=99v=
e never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight forward; just =
time consuming. &nbsp;20 Sub C batteries would run me about $40-50. =
&nbsp;(Having it done professionally looks to cost at least twice that.) =
&nbsp;Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for just a =
few bucks more. &nbsp;(<a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-24=
24/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17" rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compat=
ible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17</a>). =
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement =
batteries are also made in China, but is there any reason to assume that =
rebuilding the packs myself will result in a better, longer lasting =
battery? &nbsp;Any advice from those who have done this before will be =
much =
appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jim</div></div></d=
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I'll offer a general observation: Chinese batteries are crap, and a lot, 
if not most, of the 'name brand' batteries--Duracell, Energizer, 
etc.--you see on the Brazilian rainforest site are counterfeit (although 
you'll occasionally get a Chinese battery that is reasonably good). I 
got a 'tip' off Reddit that DigiKey sells legit batteries, and I just 
ordered some Panasonic CR2450s from them (both my welding helmet and 
Mustang key fobs use them).

I have an old Makita 9V drill that I don't use, but can't bear to chuck 
(pun intended). I bought knock-off batteries and they barely hold a 
charge, so there it sits, full of memories but useless. I'm all in on 
DeWalt, but you even have to be careful buying DW batteries as there are 
a lot of deceitful websites that advertise 'DeWalt' but sell Chinese crap.

I think best you can do is buy some of the counterfeits and hope for the 
best, or put your miter saw in your personal museum (like my Makita).

Bob

On 6/25/2025 6:00 AM, Jim Stone wrote:
> Thanks, David.  I hadn’t noticed that the Amazon replacement was 
> Ni-MH.  I know a little bit about Li-Ion and Ni-Cad batteries but 
> nothing about Ni-MH.  Does the fact that the replacements would be 
> Ni-MH have any impact on my rebuild vs. buy decision?
>
> Jim
>
>> On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
>>
>> I used to have an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery 
>> that eventually stopped being usable.  I bought a pair of 
>> lithium-based replacement batteries.  On the surface they looked like 
>> a much better option with double the capacity and they worked with 
>> existing drill and charger. But (there's always a but, isn't there?) 
>> to make Lithium batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment required a 
>> electronic circuit and this circuit was always on and drew enough 
>> power to deplete the battery overnight.  I could charge them up in 
>> the evening and the next morning they would be close to dead.
>>
>> But I see these are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.  Ni-MH batteries 
>> have characteristics more similar to Lithium - at least with regards 
>> to the charging regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so 
>> I am familiar with this) but are less susceptible to abuse.  I also 
>> see the bullet point about no self-discharge - which was my problem.  
>> This is a $45 gamble (as it is with most no-name stuff from the 
>> Pacific rim) but YMMV.  This might be a good one.  Let us know.
>>
>> BTW I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.  I 
>> pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the batteries.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim Stone 
>> <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to 
>> continue using for quick, non critical cuts.  The only problem is 
>> that the NiCad batteries won’t hold a charge long enough to be 
>> useful. And, I don’t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. 
>> Milwaukee M18, batteries in a 24v system.  Besides, there don’t 
>> appear to be any adaptors available.
>>
>> So, that leaves me with two choices: rebuild my current batteries or 
>> buy new ones on Amazon.  I’ve taken one of the battery packs apart 
>> and can see that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of 
>> them!  I’ve never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight 
>> forward; just time consuming.  20 Sub C batteries would run me about 
>> $40-50.  (Having it done professionally looks to cost at least twice 
>> that.)  Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for just 
>> a few bucks more. 
>>  (https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=sr_1_17). 
>>
>>
>> I’m sure the replacement batteries are also made in China, but is 
>> there any reason to assume that rebuilding the packs myself will 
>> result in a better, longer lasting battery?  Any advice from those 
>> who have done this before will be much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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    I'll offer a general observation: Chinese batteries are crap, and a
    lot, if not most, of the 'name brand' batteries--Duracell,
    Energizer, etc.--you see on the Brazilian rainforest site are
    counterfeit (although you'll occasionally get a Chinese battery that
    is reasonably good). I got a 'tip' off Reddit that DigiKey sells
    legit batteries, and I just ordered some Panasonic CR2450s from them
    (both my welding helmet and Mustang key fobs use them).<br>
    <br>
    I have an old Makita 9V drill that I don't use, but can't bear to
    chuck (pun intended). I bought knock-off batteries and they barely
    hold a charge, so there it sits, full of memories but useless. I'm
    all in on DeWalt, but you even have to be careful buying DW
    batteries as there are a lot of deceitful websites that advertise
    'DeWalt' but sell Chinese crap.<br>
    <br>
    I think best you can do is buy some of the counterfeits and hope for
    the best, or put your miter saw in your personal museum (like my
    Makita).<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/25/2025 6:00 AM, Jim Stone wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      cite="mid:2CE11D19-5D1C-429E-9830-8444EBEC1850@gmail.com">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      Thanks, David.  I hadn’t noticed that the Amazon replacement was
      Ni-MH.  I know a little bit about Li-Ion and Ni-Cad batteries but
      nothing about Ni-MH.  Does the fact that the replacements would be
      Ni-MH have any impact on my rebuild vs. buy decision?
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Jim<br>
        <div>
          <div><br>
            <blockquote type="cite">
              <div>On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48 AM, DAVID MASSEY
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dave1massey@cs.com">&lt;dave1massey@cs.com&gt;</a> wrote:</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I used to have
                        an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a
                        battery that eventually stopped being usable.  I
                        bought a pair of lithium-based replacement
                        batteries.  On the surface they looked like a
                        much better option with double the capacity and
                        they worked with existing drill and charger. 
                        But (there's always a but, isn't there?) to make
                        Lithium batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment
                        required a electronic circuit and this circuit
                        was always on and drew enough power to deplete
                        the battery overnight.  I could charge them up
                        in the evening and the next morning they would
                        be close to dead.</div>
                      <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">But I see these
                        are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.  Ni-MH
                        batteries have characteristics more similar to
                        Lithium - at least with regards to the charging
                        regime (I've designed a battery charger for
                        Ni-MH so I am familiar with this) but are less
                        susceptible to abuse.  I also see the bullet
                        point about no self-discharge - which was my
                        problem.  This is a $45 gamble (as it is with
                        most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but
                        YMMV.  This might be a good one.  Let us know.</div>
                      <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">BTW I bought a
                        pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked
                        back.  I pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and
                        recycled the batteries.</div>
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                            <div>I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that
                              I would like to be able to continue using
                              for quick, non critical cuts.  The only
                              problem is that the NiCad batteries won’t
                              hold a charge long enough to be useful.
                              And, I don’t think there is a way to
                              utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18,
                              batteries in a 24v system.  Besides, there
                              don’t appear to be any adaptors available.
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>So, that leaves me with two choices:
                                rebuild my current batteries or buy new
                                ones on Amazon.  I’ve taken one of the
                                battery packs apart and can see that it
                                just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries
                                - 20 of them!  I’ve never rebuilt
                                battery packs but it looks pretty
                                straight forward; just time consuming.
                                 20 Sub C batteries would run me about
                                $40-50.  (Having it done professionally
                                looks to cost at least twice that.)  Or,
                                I could just buy a Chinese-made
                                replacement pack for just a few bucks
                                more.  (<a
href="https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=sr_1_17"
                                  rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=sr_1_17</a>).
                                 </div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>I’m sure the replacement batteries
                                are also made in China, but is there any
                                reason to assume that rebuilding the
                                packs myself will result in a better,
                                longer lasting battery?  Any advice from
                                those who have done this before will be
                                much appreciated.</div>
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                              <div>Thanks,</div>
                              <div>Jim</div>
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To: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com>
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If you rebuild you will need Ni-Cad batteries.=C2=A0 Ni-MH or Li-ion batter=
ies will not play well with Ni-Cad chargers.=C2=A0 Those alternate chemistr=
ies require a battery management circuit.=C2=A0 Maybe you can buy those but=
 I've never seen any on offer.=C2=A0 I haven't looked either,=C2=A0 though.=
=C2=A0

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  On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 8:00, Jim Stone<1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:   Th=
anks, David. =C2=A0I hadn=E2=80=99t noticed that the Amazon replacement was=
 Ni-MH. =C2=A0I know a little bit about Li-Ion and Ni-Cad batteries but not=
hing about Ni-MH. =C2=A0Does the fact that the replacements would be Ni-MH =
have any impact on my rebuild vs. buy decision?
Jim


On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrot=
e:
I used to have an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery that eve=
ntually stopped being usable.=C2=A0 I bought a pair of lithium-based replac=
ement batteries.=C2=A0 On the surface they looked like a much better option=
 with double the capacity and they worked with existing drill and charger.=
=C2=A0 But (there's always a but, isn't there?) to make Lithium batteries w=
ork in a Ni-Cad environment required a electronic circuit and this circuit =
was always on and drew enough power to deplete the battery overnight.=C2=A0=
 I could charge them up in the evening and the next morning they would be c=
lose to dead.
But I see these are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.=C2=A0 Ni-MH batteries h=
ave characteristics more similar to Lithium - at least with regards to the =
charging regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I am familiar=
 with this) but are less susceptible to abuse.=C2=A0 I also see the bullet =
point about no self-discharge - which was my problem.=C2=A0 This is a $45 g=
amble (as it is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.=C2=
=A0 This might be a good one.=C2=A0 Let us know.
BTW I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.=C2=A0 I p=
itched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the batteries.
Dave=20


=20

    On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gma=
il.com> wrote:  =20

 I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to continue=
 using for quick, non critical cuts. =C2=A0The only problem is that the NiC=
ad batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be useful. And, I d=
on=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18, bat=
teries in a 24v system. =C2=A0Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appear to be any=
 adaptors available.
So, that leaves me with two choices: rebuild my current batteries or buy ne=
w ones on Amazon. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart a=
nd can see that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of them! =
=C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight=
 forward; just time consuming. =C2=A020 Sub C batteries would run me about =
$40-50. =C2=A0(Having it done professionally looks to cost at least twice t=
hat.) =C2=A0Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for just a=
 few bucks more. =C2=A0(https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-C=
ompatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17). =C2=A0
I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries are also made in China, but is t=
here any reason to assume that rebuilding the packs myself will result in a=
 better, longer lasting battery? =C2=A0Any advice from those who have done =
this before will be much appreciated.
Thanks,Jim_______________________________________________

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If you rebuild you will need Ni-Cad batteries.&nbsp; Ni-MH or Li-ion batter=
ies will not play well with Ni-Cad chargers.&nbsp; Those alternate chemistr=
ies require a battery management circuit.&nbsp; Maybe you can buy those but=
 I've never seen any on offer.&nbsp; I haven't looked either,&nbsp; though.=
&nbsp;<br><br><div id=3D"ymail_android_signature"><a id=3D"ymail_android_si=
gnature_link" href=3D"https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=3Dcom.a=
ol.mobile.aolapp">Sent from AOL on Android</a></div> <br> <blockquote style=
=3D"margin: 0 0 20px 0;"> <div style=3D"font-family:Roboto, sans-serif; col=
or:#6D00F6;"> <div>On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 8:00, Jim Stone</div><div>&lt;17=
89alpine@gmail.com&gt; wrote:</div> </div> <div style=3D"padding: 10px 0 0 =
20px; margin: 10px 0 0 0; border-left: 1px solid #6D00F6;"> <div id=3D"yiv5=
426006398"><div>Thanks, David. &nbsp;I hadn=E2=80=99t noticed that the Amaz=
on replacement was Ni-MH. &nbsp;I know a little bit about Li-Ion and Ni-Cad=
 batteries but nothing about Ni-MH. &nbsp;Does the fact that the replacemen=
ts would be Ni-MH have any impact on my rebuild vs. buy decision?<div><br c=
lear=3D"none"></div><div>Jim<br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv5426006398yqt4=
8677" class=3D"yiv5426006398yqt4222733126"><div><div><br clear=3D"none"><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASS=
EY &lt;dave1massey@cs.com&gt; wrote:</div><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv54=
26006398Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div><div style=3D"font-family:Aria=
l, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" class=3D"yiv5426006398ydp5b697443=
yahoo-style-wrap"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">I used to have an old Makita drill =
that came with Ni-Cad a battery that eventually stopped being usable.&nbsp;=
 I bought a pair of lithium-based replacement batteries.&nbsp; On the surfa=
ce they looked like a much better option with double the capacity and they =
worked with existing drill and charger.&nbsp; But (there's always a but, is=
n't there?) to make Lithium batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment required=
 a electronic circuit and this circuit was always on and drew enough power =
to deplete the battery overnight.&nbsp; I could charge them up in the eveni=
ng and the next morning they would be close to dead.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">But I see these are Nickel-Metal =
Hydride batteries.&nbsp; Ni-MH batteries have characteristics more similar =
to Lithium - at least with regards to the charging regime (I've designed a =
battery charger for Ni-MH so I am familiar with this) but are less suscepti=
ble to abuse.&nbsp; I also see the bullet point about no self-discharge - w=
hich was my problem.&nbsp; This is a $45 gamble (as it is with most no-name=
 stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.&nbsp; This might be a good one.&nbsp=
; Let us know.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">BTW I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.&nbsp;=
 I pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the batteries.</div><div><br c=
lear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5426006398ydp5b697443signature"><div s=
tyle=3D"font-style:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-weight:normal;font-str=
etch:normal;font-size:12pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial, Helvetica,=
 sans-serif;"><div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-we=
ight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12pt;line-height:normal;font-fami=
ly:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><div><font size=3D"4">Dave <br clear=3D"n=
one"></font></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif=
;"><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><br clear=3D"none"></div></div></div></d=
iv>
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 using for quick, non critical cuts. &nbsp;The only problem is that the NiC=
ad batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be useful. And, I d=
on=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18, bat=
teries in a 24v system. &nbsp;Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appear to be any=
 adaptors available.<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>So, that leaves me w=
ith two choices: rebuild my current batteries or buy new ones on Amazon. &n=
bsp;I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart and can see that it j=
ust uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of them! &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve nev=
er rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight forward; just time co=
nsuming. &nbsp;20 Sub C batteries would run me about $40-50. &nbsp;(Having =
it done professionally looks to cost at least twice that.) &nbsp;Or, I coul=
d just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for just a few bucks more. &nbsp=
;(<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-242=
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ttery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17</a>). &nbsp;</div><div=
><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries a=
re also made in China, but is there any reason to assume that rebuilding th=
e packs myself will result in a better, longer lasting battery? &nbsp;Any a=
dvice from those who have done this before will be much appreciated.</div><=
div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jim</div></div></div>__=
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From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 20:13:01 -0400
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
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Thanks, David.  The Amazon listing indicates compatibility with the =
original charger and several reviews say they had no trouble doing so.  =
It is a $40-$50 gamble either way and I have too many projects at the =
moment to add rebuilding a battery pack to the mix.  I will give the =
Amazon pack a try and report back.

Jim

p.s. I switched to Milwaukee battery tools, as well.  I started with the =
M12 set and then added M18=E2=80=99s as well.  I especially like the =
fact that one charger will charge both the 12v and 18v batteries.  I =
still have some of my old tools and have bought a couple of adaptors to =
be able to continue using a few of them with the M18 batteries.  They =
are reasonably inexpensive and work very well.  I wish I could do that =
with the Bosch saw, but no one make one and, while I could probably rig =
something using the old pack, I don't want to risk burning out the motor =
running it at only 18 volts.

> On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> I used to have an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery =
that eventually stopped being usable.  I bought a pair of lithium-based =
replacement batteries.  On the surface they looked like a much better =
option with double the capacity and they worked with existing drill and =
charger.  But (there's always a but, isn't there?) to make Lithium =
batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment required a electronic circuit and =
this circuit was always on and drew enough power to deplete the battery =
overnight.  I could charge them up in the evening and the next morning =
they would be close to dead.
>=20
> But I see these are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.  Ni-MH batteries =
have characteristics more similar to Lithium - at least with regards to =
the charging regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I am =
familiar with this) but are less susceptible to abuse.  I also see the =
bullet point about no self-discharge - which was my problem.  This is a =
$45 gamble (as it is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but =
YMMV.  This might be a good one.  Let us know.
>=20
> BTW I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.  I =
pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the batteries.
>=20
> Dave
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim Stone =
<1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to =
continue using for quick, non critical cuts.  The only problem is that =
the NiCad batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be =
useful. And, I don=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. =
Milwaukee M18, batteries in a 24v system.  Besides, there don=E2=80=99t =
appear to be any adaptors available.
>=20
> So, that leaves me with two choices: rebuild my current batteries or =
buy new ones on Amazon.  I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs =
apart and can see that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 =
of them!  I=E2=80=99ve never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty =
straight forward; just time consuming.  20 Sub C batteries would run me =
about $40-50.  (Having it done professionally looks to cost at least =
twice that.)  Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for =
just a few bucks more.  =
(https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B=
073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17). =20
>=20
> I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries are also made in China, but =
is there any reason to assume that rebuilding the packs myself will =
result in a better, longer lasting battery?  Any advice from those who =
have done this before will be much appreciated.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Jim
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Thanks, David. =
&nbsp;The Amazon listing indicates compatibility with the original =
charger and several reviews say they had no trouble doing so. &nbsp;It =
is a $40-$50 gamble either way and I have too many projects at the =
moment to add rebuilding a battery pack to the mix. &nbsp;I will give =
the Amazon pack a try and report =
back.<div><br></div><div>Jim</div><div><br></div><div>p.s. I switched to =
Milwaukee battery tools, as well. &nbsp;I started with the M12 set and =
then added M18=E2=80=99s as well. &nbsp;I especially like the fact that =
one charger will charge both the 12v and 18v batteries. &nbsp;I still =
have some of my old tools and have bought a couple of adaptors to be =
able to continue using a few of them with the M18 batteries. &nbsp;They =
are reasonably inexpensive and work very well. &nbsp;I wish I could do =
that with the Bosch saw, but no one make one and, while I could probably =
rig something using the old pack, I don't want to risk burning out the =
motor running it at only 18 volts.<br =
id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASSEY =
&lt;dave1massey@cs.com&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div><div =
class=3D"ydp5b697443yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Arial, =
Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false">I used to have an old Makita drill that came with =
Ni-Cad a battery that eventually stopped being usable.&nbsp; I bought a =
pair of lithium-based replacement batteries.&nbsp; On the surface they =
looked like a much better option with double the capacity and they =
worked with existing drill and charger.&nbsp; But (there's always a but, =
isn't there?) to make Lithium batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment =
required a electronic circuit and this circuit was always on and drew =
enough power to deplete the battery overnight.&nbsp; I could charge them =
up in the evening and the next morning they would be close to =
dead.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">But I see these are Nickel-Metal =
Hydride batteries.&nbsp; Ni-MH batteries have characteristics more =
similar to Lithium - at least with regards to the charging regime (I've =
designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I am familiar with this) but are =
less susceptible to abuse.&nbsp; I also see the bullet point about no =
self-discharge - which was my problem.&nbsp; This is a $45 gamble (as it =
is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.&nbsp; This =
might be a good one.&nbsp; Let us know.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">BTW=
 I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.&nbsp; I =
pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the =
batteries.</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydp5b697443signature"><div =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-weight: =
normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; =
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><div style=3D"font-style: =
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normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Arial, =
Helvetica, sans-serif;"><div><font size=3D"4">Dave =
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                        On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, =
Jim Stone &lt;1789alpine@gmail.com&gt; wrote:
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Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;border-left: =
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp39c7469ayiv7389328937"><div>I have an =
old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to continue using =
for quick, non critical cuts. &nbsp;The only problem is that the NiCad =
batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be useful. And, I =
don=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18, =
batteries in a 24v system. &nbsp;Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appear to =
be any adaptors available.<div><br></div><div>So, that leaves me with =
two choices: rebuild my current batteries or buy new ones on Amazon. =
&nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart and can see that =
it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of them! &nbsp;I=E2=80=99v=
e never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight forward; just =
time consuming. &nbsp;20 Sub C batteries would run me about $40-50. =
&nbsp;(Having it done professionally looks to cost at least twice that.) =
&nbsp;Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for just a =
few bucks more. &nbsp;(<a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-24=
24/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17" rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compat=
ible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17</a>). =
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement =
batteries are also made in China, but is there any reason to assume that =
rebuilding the packs myself will result in a better, longer lasting =
battery? &nbsp;Any advice from those who have done this before will be =
much =
appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jim</div></div></d=
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From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
To: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com>
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Good luck.
Dave=20


=20

    On Thursday, June 26, 2025 at 07:13:13 PM CDT, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gm=
ail.com> wrote:  =20

 Thanks, David. =C2=A0The Amazon listing indicates compatibility with the o=
riginal charger and several reviews say they had no trouble doing so. =C2=
=A0It is a $40-$50 gamble either way and I have too many projects at the mo=
ment to add rebuilding a battery pack to the mix. =C2=A0I will give the Ama=
zon pack a try and report back.
Jim
p.s. I switched to Milwaukee battery tools, as well. =C2=A0I started with t=
he M12 set and then added M18=E2=80=99s as well. =C2=A0I especially like th=
e fact that one charger will charge both the 12v and 18v batteries. =C2=A0I=
 still have some of my old tools and have bought a couple of adaptors to be=
 able to continue using a few of them with the M18 batteries. =C2=A0They ar=
e reasonably inexpensive and work very well. =C2=A0I wish I could do that w=
ith the Bosch saw, but no one make one and, while I could probably rig some=
thing using the old pack, I don't want to risk burning out the motor runnin=
g it at only 18 volts.


On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrot=
e:
I used to have an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery that eve=
ntually stopped being usable.=C2=A0 I bought a pair of lithium-based replac=
ement batteries.=C2=A0 On the surface they looked like a much better option=
 with double the capacity and they worked with existing drill and charger.=
=C2=A0 But (there's always a but, isn't there?) to make Lithium batteries w=
ork in a Ni-Cad environment required a electronic circuit and this circuit =
was always on and drew enough power to deplete the battery overnight.=C2=A0=
 I could charge them up in the evening and the next morning they would be c=
lose to dead.
But I see these are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.=C2=A0 Ni-MH batteries h=
ave characteristics more similar to Lithium - at least with regards to the =
charging regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I am familiar=
 with this) but are less susceptible to abuse.=C2=A0 I also see the bullet =
point about no self-discharge - which was my problem.=C2=A0 This is a $45 g=
amble (as it is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.=C2=
=A0 This might be a good one.=C2=A0 Let us know.
BTW I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.=C2=A0 I p=
itched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the batteries.
Dave=20


=20

    On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gma=
il.com> wrote:  =20

 I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to continue=
 using for quick, non critical cuts. =C2=A0The only problem is that the NiC=
ad batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be useful. And, I d=
on=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18, bat=
teries in a 24v system. =C2=A0Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appear to be any=
 adaptors available.
So, that leaves me with two choices: rebuild my current batteries or buy ne=
w ones on Amazon. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart a=
nd can see that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of them! =
=C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight=
 forward; just time consuming. =C2=A020 Sub C batteries would run me about =
$40-50. =C2=A0(Having it done professionally looks to cost at least twice t=
hat.) =C2=A0Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for just a=
 few bucks more. =C2=A0(https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-C=
ompatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17). =C2=A0
I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries are also made in China, but is t=
here any reason to assume that rebuilding the packs myself will result in a=
 better, longer lasting battery? =C2=A0Any advice from those who have done =
this before will be much appreciated.
Thanks,Jim_______________________________________________

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"font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Good luck.</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"yd=
p7f705cbsignature"><div style=3D"color: black; font-style: normal; font-siz=
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amily: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><div><font size=3D"4">Dave <br></font=
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5434ecyahoo_quoted"><div class=3D"ydpd05434ecyahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"fon=
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                        On Thursday, June 26, 2025 at 07:13:13 PM CDT, Jim =
Stone &lt;1789alpine@gmail.com&gt; wrote:
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, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;border-left: 1px solid #cc=
c;padding-left: 8px;margin: 0px 0px 0px 8px" class=3D"ydpd05434ecinline_rep=
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                <div><div id=3D"ydpd05434ecyiv8678996157"><div>Thanks, Davi=
d. &nbsp;The Amazon listing indicates compatibility with the original charg=
er and several reviews say they had no trouble doing so. &nbsp;It is a $40-=
$50 gamble either way and I have too many projects at the moment to add reb=
uilding a battery pack to the mix. &nbsp;I will give the Amazon pack a try =
and report back.<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Jim</div><div><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div>p.s. I switched to Milwaukee battery tools, as well. &=
nbsp;I started with the M12 set and then added M18=E2=80=99s as well. &nbsp=
;I especially like the fact that one charger will charge both the 12v and 1=
8v batteries. &nbsp;I still have some of my old tools and have bought a cou=
ple of adaptors to be able to continue using a few of them with the M18 bat=
teries. &nbsp;They are reasonably inexpensive and work very well. &nbsp;I w=
ish I could do that with the Bosch saw, but no one make one and, while I co=
uld probably rig something using the old pack, I don't want to risk burning=
 out the motor running it at only 18 volts.<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"ydpd054=
34ecyiv8678996157lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div id=3D"ydpd05434ecyiv86=
78996157yqt44230" class=3D"ydpd05434ecyiv8678996157yqt0863439708"><div><br =
clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=
=80=AFAM, DAVID MASSEY &lt;dave1massey@cs.com&gt; wrote:</div><br clear=3D"=
none" class=3D"ydpd05434ecyiv8678996157Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div=
><div style=3D"font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" cl=
ass=3D"ydpd05434ecyiv8678996157ydp5b697443yahoo-style-wrap"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">I used to have an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery=
 that eventually stopped being usable.&nbsp; I bought a pair of lithium-bas=
ed replacement batteries.&nbsp; On the surface they looked like a much bett=
er option with double the capacity and they worked with existing drill and =
charger.&nbsp; But (there's always a but, isn't there?) to make Lithium bat=
teries work in a Ni-Cad environment required a electronic circuit and this =
circuit was always on and drew enough power to deplete the battery overnigh=
t.&nbsp; I could charge them up in the evening and the next morning they wo=
uld be close to dead.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">But I see these are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.&nbsp; Ni-MH =
batteries have characteristics more similar to Lithium - at least with rega=
rds to the charging regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I =
am familiar with this) but are less susceptible to abuse.&nbsp; I also see =
the bullet point about no self-discharge - which was my problem.&nbsp; This=
 is a $45 gamble (as it is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) bu=
t YMMV.&nbsp; This might be a good one.&nbsp; Let us know.</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">BTW I bought a pair of Milw=
aukee 12V tools and never looked back.&nbsp; I pitched all my Ni-Cad drills=
 and recycled the batteries.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=
=3D"ydpd05434ecyiv8678996157ydp5b697443signature"><div style=3D"font-style:=
normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-si=
ze:12pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><div =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-weight:normal;font-st=
retch:normal;font-size:12pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial, Helvetica=
, sans-serif;"><div><font size=3D"4">Dave <br clear=3D"none"></font></div><=
div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;"><br clear=3D"non=
e"></span></div><br clear=3D"none"></div></div></div></div>
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t-header">
                        On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim S=
tone &lt;1789alpine@gmail.com&gt; wrote:
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                </div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica=
, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;border-left:1px solid #ccc=
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                <div><div id=3D"ydpd05434ecyiv8678996157ydp39c7469ayiv73893=
28937"><div>I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able =
to continue using for quick, non critical cuts. &nbsp;The only problem is t=
hat the NiCad batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be usefu=
l. And, I don=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwauk=
ee M18, batteries in a 24v system. &nbsp;Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appea=
r to be any adaptors available.<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>So, that =
leaves me with two choices: rebuild my current batteries or buy new ones on=
 Amazon. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart and can se=
e that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of them! &nbsp;I=E2=
=80=99ve never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight forward; =
just time consuming. &nbsp;20 Sub C batteries would run me about $40-50. &n=
bsp;(Having it done professionally looks to cost at least twice that.) &nbs=
p;Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for just a few bucks=
 more. &nbsp;(<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Repla=
cement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17" rel=3D"nofol=
low" target=3D"_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Co=
mpatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17</a>). &nbsp;</div><div><br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div><div>I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries are also =
made in China, but is there any reason to assume that rebuilding the packs =
myself will result in a better, longer lasting battery? &nbsp;Any advice fr=
om those who have done this before will be much appreciated.</div><div><br =
clear=3D"none"></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jim</div></div></div>__________=
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Jim,

For what it's worth, in case you decide to rebuild, I have rebuilt 
battery packs for my obsolete Craftsman 12 volt drill,
and the battery packs for my old Sunpak high voltage camera flash units. 
All of these originals were made with NiCd batteries and I've used NiMH 
with great success. I source the batteries from ONLYBATTERIES.COM. The 
great advantage to the rebuild route is I get to select higher capacity 
batteries than the originals. They take longer to charge with the 
original chargers but last enough longer in the devices to make it 
worthwhile. This has been an incredible advantage in using the camera 
flash unit. The Sunpak packs uses low voltage sub c or AA sizes, 
depending on when they were made, to operate an oscillator circuit to 
generate a 510 volt equivalent for the flash.

In my case, the original types are not available anywhere so rebuilding 
was my only choice.

Jim

On 6/26/2025 8:13 PM, Jim Stone wrote:
> Thanks, David.  The Amazon listing indicates compatibility with the 
> original charger and several reviews say they had no trouble doing so. 
>  It is a $40-$50 gamble either way and I have too many projects at the 
> moment to add rebuilding a battery pack to the mix.  I will give the 
> Amazon pack a try and report back.
>
> Jim
>
> p.s. I switched to Milwaukee battery tools, as well.  I started with 
> the M12 set and then added M18’s as well.  I especially like the fact 
> that one charger will charge both the 12v and 18v batteries.  I still 
> have some of my old tools and have bought a couple of adaptors to be 
> able to continue using a few of them with the M18 batteries.  They are 
> reasonably inexpensive and work very well.  I wish I could do that 
> with the Bosch saw, but no one make one and, while I could probably 
> rig something using the old pack, I don't want to risk burning out the 
> motor running it at only 18 volts.
>
>> On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
>>
>> I used to have an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery 
>> that eventually stopped being usable.  I bought a pair of 
>> lithium-based replacement batteries.  On the surface they looked like 
>> a much better option with double the capacity and they worked with 
>> existing drill and charger.  But (there's always a but, isn't there?) 
>> to make Lithium batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment required a 
>> electronic circuit and this circuit was always on and drew enough 
>> power to deplete the battery overnight.  I could charge them up in 
>> the evening and the next morning they would be close to dead.
>>
>> But I see these are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.  Ni-MH batteries 
>> have characteristics more similar to Lithium - at least with regards 
>> to the charging regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so 
>> I am familiar with this) but are less susceptible to abuse.  I also 
>> see the bullet point about no self-discharge - which was my problem. 
>> This is a $45 gamble (as it is with most no-name stuff from the 
>> Pacific rim) but YMMV.  This might be a good one.  Let us know.
>>
>> BTW I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.  I 
>> pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the batteries.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim Stone 
>> <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to 
>> continue using for quick, non critical cuts.  The only problem is 
>> that the NiCad batteries won’t hold a charge long enough to be 
>> useful. And, I don’t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. 
>> Milwaukee M18, batteries in a 24v system.  Besides, there don’t 
>> appear to be any adaptors available.
>>
>> So, that leaves me with two choices: rebuild my current batteries or 
>> buy new ones on Amazon.  I’ve taken one of the battery packs apart 
>> and can see that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of 
>> them!  I’ve never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight 
>> forward; just time consuming.  20 Sub C batteries would run me about 
>> $40-50.  (Having it done professionally looks to cost at least twice 
>> that.)  Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for just 
>> a few bucks more. 
>>  (https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=sr_1_17). 
>>
>>
>> I’m sure the replacement batteries are also made in China, but is 
>> there any reason to assume that rebuilding the packs myself will 
>> result in a better, longer lasting battery?  Any advice from those 
>> who have done this before will be much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
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    Jim,<br>
    <br>
    For what it's worth, in case you decide to rebuild, I have rebuilt
    battery packs for my obsolete Craftsman 12 volt drill,<br>
    and the battery packs for my old Sunpak high voltage camera flash
    units. All of these originals were made with NiCd batteries and I've
    used NiMH with great success. I source the batteries from
    ONLYBATTERIES.COM. The great advantage to the rebuild route is I get
    to select higher capacity batteries than the originals. They take
    longer to charge with the original chargers but last enough longer
    in the devices to make it worthwhile. This has been an incredible
    advantage in using the camera flash unit. The Sunpak packs uses low
    voltage sub c or AA sizes, depending on when they were made, to
    operate an oscillator circuit to generate a 510 volt equivalent for
    the flash.<br>
    <br>
    In my case, the original types are not available anywhere so
    rebuilding was my only choice.<br>
    <br>
    Jim<br>
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      Thanks, David.  The Amazon listing indicates compatibility with
      the original charger and several reviews say they had no trouble
      doing so.  It is a $40-$50 gamble either way and I have too many
      projects at the moment to add rebuilding a battery pack to the
      mix.  I will give the Amazon pack a try and report back.
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Jim</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>p.s. I switched to Milwaukee battery tools, as well.  I
        started with the M12 set and then added M18’s as well.  I
        especially like the fact that one charger will charge both the
        12v and 18v batteries.  I still have some of my old tools and
        have bought a couple of adaptors to be able to continue using a
        few of them with the M18 batteries.  They are reasonably
        inexpensive and work very well.  I wish I could do that with the
        Bosch saw, but no one make one and, while I could probably rig
        something using the old pack, I don't want to risk burning out
        the motor running it at only 18 volts.<br
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            <div>On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48 AM, DAVID MASSEY
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                    <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I used to have an
                      old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery
                      that eventually stopped being usable.  I bought a
                      pair of lithium-based replacement batteries.  On
                      the surface they looked like a much better option
                      with double the capacity and they worked with
                      existing drill and charger.  But (there's always a
                      but, isn't there?) to make Lithium batteries work
                      in a Ni-Cad environment required a electronic
                      circuit and this circuit was always on and drew
                      enough power to deplete the battery overnight.  I
                      could charge them up in the evening and the next
                      morning they would be close to dead.</div>
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                    </div>
                    <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">But I see these
                      are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.  Ni-MH
                      batteries have characteristics more similar to
                      Lithium - at least with regards to the charging
                      regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH
                      so I am familiar with this) but are less
                      susceptible to abuse.  I also see the bullet point
                      about no self-discharge - which was my problem. 
                      This is a $45 gamble (as it is with most no-name
                      stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.  This might
                      be a good one.  Let us know.</div>
                    <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
                    </div>
                    <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">BTW I bought a
                      pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked
                      back.  I pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled
                      the batteries.</div>
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                      <div class="ydp39c7469aquoted-text-header"> On
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                          <div>I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I
                            would like to be able to continue using for
                            quick, non critical cuts.  The only problem
                            is that the NiCad batteries won’t hold a
                            charge long enough to be useful. And, I
                            don’t think there is a way to utilize other,
                            e.g. Milwaukee M18, batteries in a 24v
                            system.  Besides, there don’t appear to be
                            any adaptors available.
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>So, that leaves me with two choices:
                              rebuild my current batteries or buy new
                              ones on Amazon.  I’ve taken one of the
                              battery packs apart and can see that it
                              just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries -
                              20 of them!  I’ve never rebuilt battery
                              packs but it looks pretty straight
                              forward; just time consuming.  20 Sub C
                              batteries would run me about $40-50.
                               (Having it done professionally looks to
                              cost at least twice that.)  Or, I could
                              just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack
                              for just a few bucks more.  (<a
href="https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=sr_1_17"
                                rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=sr_1_17</a>).
                               </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>I’m sure the replacement batteries are
                              also made in China, but is there any
                              reason to assume that rebuilding the packs
                              myself will result in a better, longer
                              lasting battery?  Any advice from those
                              who have done this before will be much
                              appreciated.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Thanks,</div>
                            <div>Jim</div>
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From: Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2025 07:16:54 -0500
To: Jim Juhas <james.f.juhas@snet.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rebuilding a Battery Pack vs Buying New Generic
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For third party replacement battery packs check out the various tests on
the Project Farm YouTube channel. He does very extensive testing and
evaluations.

On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 9:52=E2=80=AFPM Jim Juhas <james.f.juhas@snet.net> =
wrote:

> Jim,
>
> For what it's worth, in case you decide to rebuild, I have rebuilt batter=
y
> packs for my obsolete Craftsman 12 volt drill,
> and the battery packs for my old Sunpak high voltage camera flash units.
> All of these originals were made with NiCd batteries and I've used NiMH
> with great success. I source the batteries from ONLYBATTERIES.COM. The
> great advantage to the rebuild route is I get to select higher capacity
> batteries than the originals. They take longer to charge with the origina=
l
> chargers but last enough longer in the devices to make it worthwhile. Thi=
s
> has been an incredible advantage in using the camera flash unit. The Sunp=
ak
> packs uses low voltage sub c or AA sizes, depending on when they were mad=
e,
> to operate an oscillator circuit to generate a 510 volt equivalent for th=
e
> flash.
>
> In my case, the original types are not available anywhere so rebuilding
> was my only choice.
>
> Jim
>
> On 6/26/2025 8:13 PM, Jim Stone wrote:
>
> Thanks, David.  The Amazon listing indicates compatibility with the
> original charger and several reviews say they had no trouble doing so.  I=
t
> is a $40-$50 gamble either way and I have too many projects at the moment
> to add rebuilding a battery pack to the mix.  I will give the Amazon pack=
 a
> try and report back.
>
> Jim
>
> p.s. I switched to Milwaukee battery tools, as well.  I started with the
> M12 set and then added M18=E2=80=99s as well.  I especially like the fact=
 that one
> charger will charge both the 12v and 18v batteries.  I still have some of
> my old tools and have bought a couple of adaptors to be able to continue
> using a few of them with the M18 batteries.  They are reasonably
> inexpensive and work very well.  I wish I could do that with the Bosch sa=
w,
> but no one make one and, while I could probably rig something using the o=
ld
> pack, I don't want to risk burning out the motor running it at only 18
> volts.
>
> On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
> <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
>
> I used to have an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery that
> eventually stopped being usable.  I bought a pair of lithium-based
> replacement batteries.  On the surface they looked like a much better
> option with double the capacity and they worked with existing drill and
> charger.  But (there's always a but, isn't there?) to make Lithium
> batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment required a electronic circuit and
> this circuit was always on and drew enough power to deplete the battery
> overnight.  I could charge them up in the evening and the next morning th=
ey
> would be close to dead.
>
> But I see these are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.  Ni-MH batteries have
> characteristics more similar to Lithium - at least with regards to the
> charging regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I am famili=
ar
> with this) but are less susceptible to abuse.  I also see the bullet poin=
t
> about no self-discharge - which was my problem.  This is a $45 gamble (as
> it is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.  This might
> be a good one.  Let us know.
>
> BTW I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.  I
> pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the batteries.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim Stone
> <1789alpine@gmail.com> <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to continu=
e
> using for quick, non critical cuts.  The only problem is that the NiCad
> batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be useful. And, I do=
n=E2=80=99t think
> there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18, batteries in a 24v
> system.  Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appear to be any adaptors available=
.
>
> So, that leaves me with two choices: rebuild my current batteries or buy
> new ones on Amazon.  I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart an=
d can see
> that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of them!  I=E2=80=99=
ve never
> rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight forward; just time
> consuming.  20 Sub C batteries would run me about $40-50.  (Having it don=
e
> professionally looks to cost at least twice that.)  Or, I could just buy =
a
> Chinese-made replacement pack for just a few bucks more.  (
> https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B=
073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17).
>
>
> I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries are also made in China, but is=
 there
> any reason to assume that rebuilding the packs myself will result in a
> better, longer lasting battery?  Any advice from those who have done this
> before will be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
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<div dir=3D"auto">For third party replacement battery packs check out the v=
arious tests on the Project Farm YouTube channel. He does very extensive te=
sting and evaluations.</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_=
container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 9:=
52=E2=80=AFPM Jim Juhas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:james.f.juhas@snet.net">james=
.f.juhas@snet.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u=
></u>

 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    Jim,<br>
    <br>
    For what it&#39;s worth, in case you decide to rebuild, I have rebuilt
    battery packs for my obsolete Craftsman 12 volt drill,<br>
    and the battery packs for my old Sunpak high voltage camera flash
    units. All of these originals were made with NiCd batteries and I&#39;v=
e
    used NiMH with great success. I source the batteries from
    <a href=3D"http://ONLYBATTERIES.COM" target=3D"_blank">ONLYBATTERIES.CO=
M</a>. The great advantage to the rebuild route is I get
    to select higher capacity batteries than the originals. They take
    longer to charge with the original chargers but last enough longer
    in the devices to make it worthwhile. This has been an incredible
    advantage in using the camera flash unit. The Sunpak packs uses low
    voltage sub c or AA sizes, depending on when they were made, to
    operate an oscillator circuit to generate a 510 volt equivalent for
    the flash.<br>
    <br>
    In my case, the original types are not available anywhere so
    rebuilding was my only choice.<br>
    <br>
    Jim<br>
    <div><br>
      <img src=3D"cid:ii_197b14de781916cec71" border=3D"0" style=3D"width:2=
19px;max-width:100%"></div>
    <div>On 6/26/2025 8:13 PM, Jim Stone wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      Thanks, David.=C2=A0 The Amazon listing indicates compatibility with
      the original charger and several reviews say they had no trouble
      doing so.=C2=A0 It is a $40-$50 gamble either way and I have too many
      projects at the moment to add rebuilding a battery pack to the
      mix.=C2=A0 I will give the Amazon pack a try and report back.
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Jim</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>p.s. I switched to Milwaukee battery tools, as well.=C2=A0 I
        started with the M12 set and then added M18=E2=80=99s as well.=C2=
=A0 I
        especially like the fact that one charger will charge both the
        12v and 18v batteries.=C2=A0 I still have some of my old tools and
        have bought a couple of adaptors to be able to continue using a
        few of them with the M18 batteries.=C2=A0 They are reasonably
        inexpensive and work very well.=C2=A0 I wish I could do that with t=
he
        Bosch saw, but no one make one and, while I could probably rig
        something using the old pack, I don&#39;t want to risk burning out
        the motor running it at only 18 volts.<br id=3D"m_-7545381191938205=
372lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage">
        <div><br>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite">
            <div>On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASSEY
              <a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com" target=3D"_blank">&lt;d=
ave1massey@cs.com&gt;</a> wrote:</div>
            <br>
            <div>
              <div>
                <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:16px">
                  <div>
                    <div dir=3D"ltr">I used to have an
                      old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery
                      that eventually stopped being usable.=C2=A0 I bought =
a
                      pair of lithium-based replacement batteries.=C2=A0 On
                      the surface they looked like a much better option
                      with double the capacity and they worked with
                      existing drill and charger.=C2=A0 But (there&#39;s al=
ways a
                      but, isn&#39;t there?) to make Lithium batteries work
                      in a Ni-Cad environment required a electronic
                      circuit and this circuit was always on and drew
                      enough power to deplete the battery overnight.=C2=A0 =
I
                      could charge them up in the evening and the next
                      morning they would be close to dead.</div>
                    <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
                    </div>
                    <div dir=3D"ltr">But I see these
                      are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.=C2=A0 Ni-MH
                      batteries have characteristics more similar to
                      Lithium - at least with regards to the charging
                      regime (I&#39;ve designed a battery charger for Ni-MH
                      so I am familiar with this) but are less
                      susceptible to abuse.=C2=A0 I also see the bullet poi=
nt
                      about no self-discharge - which was my problem.=C2=A0
                      This is a $45 gamble (as it is with most no-name
                      stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.=C2=A0 This migh=
t
                      be a good one.=C2=A0 Let us know.</div>
                    <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
                    </div>
                    <div dir=3D"ltr">BTW I bought a
                      pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked
                      back.=C2=A0 I pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycl=
ed
                      the batteries.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size-adjust:none=
;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12pt;line-height:normal;f=
ont-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
                        <div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size-adjust:no=
ne;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12pt;line-height:normal=
;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
                          <div><font size=3D"4">Dave <br>
                            </font></div>
                          <div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sa=
ns-serif"><br>
                            </span></div>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <div id=3D"m_-7545381191938205372ydp39c7469ayahoo_quoted_12=
69154354">
                  <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font=
-size:16px">
                    <div style=3D"font-family:&#39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,Helv=
etica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a">
                      <div> On
                        Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim
                        Stone <a href=3D"mailto:1789alpine@gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">&lt;1789alpine@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote: </div>
                    </div>
                    <div style=3D"font-family:&#39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,Helv=
etica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;border-left:1px solid #=
ccc;padding-left:8px;margin:0px 0px 0px 8px">
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <div id=3D"m_-7545381191938205372ydp39c7469ayiv7389=
328937">
                          <div>I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I
                            would like to be able to continue using for
                            quick, non critical cuts.=C2=A0 The only proble=
m
                            is that the NiCad batteries won=E2=80=99t hold =
a
                            charge long enough to be useful. And, I
                            don=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize o=
ther,
                            e.g. Milwaukee M18, batteries in a 24v
                            system.=C2=A0 Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appe=
ar to be
                            any adaptors available.
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>So, that leaves me with two choices:
                              rebuild my current batteries or buy new
                              ones on Amazon.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve taken one =
of the
                              battery packs apart and can see that it
                              just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries -
                              20 of them!=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve never rebuilt =
battery
                              packs but it looks pretty straight
                              forward; just time consuming. =C2=A020 Sub C
                              batteries would run me about $40-50.
                              =C2=A0(Having it done professionally looks to
                              cost at least twice that.) =C2=A0Or, I could
                              just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack
                              for just a few bucks more. =C2=A0(<a href=3D"=
https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B07=
3Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://www.amazo=
n.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_=
1_17</a>).
                              =C2=A0</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries=
 are
                              also made in China, but is there any
                              reason to assume that rebuilding the packs
                              myself will result in a better, longer
                              lasting battery?=C2=A0 Any advice from those
                              who have done this before will be much
                              appreciated.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Thanks,</div>
                            <div>Jim</div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
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