From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 4 15:20:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB48403FB for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 15:20:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F2D403BA for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 15:20:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id 9yK21n0062QmmGk01yK2Az; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 15:19:03 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 16:19:00 -0600 Subject: [Spits] 75 spitfire - no spark Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net it was running maybe two months ago? been sitting outside, waiting for me to get to it. has a weber and header; no pollution stuff; has an allison electronic ignition system. Ibve had the car about a year. has a car cover; been a lot of rain. according to my tester, no spark. Ibm going to order a new cap and rotor; in the mean time, how do I test back from there to see if itbs the allison or the coil? thanks! _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 4 16:53:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9157C4302F for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 16:53:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc4-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc4-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26F54041C for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 16:50:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY170-W18 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 4 Jan 2014 15:48:46 -0800 From: Greg Rowe To: Spitfires Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 18:48:45 -0500 References: <746571F878B341659894CFABD06B8329@Datsun> FILETIME=[8201D3E0:01CF09A7] Subject: Re: [Spits] 75 spitfire - no spark Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net The coils job is to take the relatively low voltage that comes in on the + terminal and convert it to high voltage out the ignition wire to the distributor each time the coils  terminal is grounded. The Alison units job is to ground the coils  terminal at the exact right time. Obviously you cant do it at the right time or fast enough to actually make the engine run, but you can bypass the Alison and ground the  side of the coil manually and see if you get a spark out of the main ignition wire of the coil. With the ignition on, remove the end of ignition wire from the distributor cap and hold it about an inch from the engine with insulated pliers wrapped in a shop rag so you dont get shocked. If each time you ground the  terminal of the coil, you get a spark jumping from the wire to the engine, your coil is working. To the best of my knowledge, the Alison unit is a black box and cannot be tested any further than making sure that the wires are properly connected, the shutter is seated and the optical trigger is properly mounted. The fact that you call it an Alison and not a Crane Cam means it 20+ years old and may have simply died. Mine stopped working earlier this year and Crane Cams offered to test it for free however does not honor Alisons lifetime warranty so it seemed (pardon the awful pun) pointless. Good luck! Greg > From: dave@ranteer.com > To: spitfires@autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 16:19:00 -0600 > Subject: [Spits] 75 spitfire - no spark > > it was running maybe two months ago? been sitting outside, waiting for me to > get to it. > > has a weber and header; no pollution stuff; has an allison electronic ignition > system. Ibve had the car about a year. > > has a car cover; been a lot of rain. > > according to my tester, no spark. > > Ibm going to order a new cap and rotor; in the mean time, how do I test back > from there to see if itbs the allison or the coil? > > thanks! _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 9 23:13:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216AE4041D for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 23:13:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from wavecable.net (mail3.wavecable.net [76.14.0.250]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76823403F4 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 23:10:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.113.232.45] (HELO [192.168.1.14]) by wavecable.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 803525839 for spitfires@autox.team.net; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 22:11:09 -0800 From: Dennis Reese Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 22:08:13 -0800 To: Spitfire Group Subject: [Spits] Wheel Brg. questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net I decided to completely redo the front suspension on my 1500. Just about finished but....I can't get the new calipers to fit and I'm guessing that the bearing seal is wrong and therefore the hub isn't seated properly and forcing the rotor against the outer edge of the caliper. You can probably tell I don't know what I'm talking about so expert input is needed here. Should the felt face the bearing? What would happen if I ditch the metal cup and just use the felt? The cup is slightly larger than the hub. Thanks, Dennis Reese 75 Spitfire 1500 69 VW _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 9 23:29:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0B240415 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 23:29:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C997403F4 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 23:15:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74336A0761 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 23:13:41 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 23:13:40 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/26.0 SeaMonkey/2.23 To: Spitfire Group References: <535A94C3-BF96-42F0-B19E-52B67F7CEFC7@wavecable.com> Subject: Re: [Spits] Wheel Brg. questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Dennis Reese wrote: > I decided to completely redo the front suspension on my 1500. Just about > finished but....I can't get the new calipers to fit and I'm guessing that the > bearing seal is wrong and therefore the hub isn't seated properly and forcing > the rotor against the outer edge of the caliper. You can probably tell I don't > know what I'm talking about so expert input is needed here. Should the felt > face the bearing? What would happen if I ditch the metal cup and just use the > felt? The cup is slightly larger than the hub. > The felt should face towards the center of the car, it should be the part that rubs against the upright. mjb. _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 10 06:54:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6182C403E2 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 06:54:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com (mail-ob0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644E940333 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 05:44:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id wo20so4718907obc.11 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 04:42:35 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=V+JcNYXWlkE1pmg0xBSs3PiSxgPXRuff9eEUSffN5Vo=; b=fy9fmJFrd3R+qxNw2pykXNhiJLbgm5l9ZyvPDuXvc5YdWQHUoPFdRMLyqGYLnxLDzN o8J7VsU0Fi2c1lWAjSNYUdXJdiGtj/UBBF26PotgCUv1rqpfQmK+A+dWoIfYO11IwU/s BeJdK9mwMWV88Fhrs+QhTDyxKIVK2XrgR3uMLeHO/mJWRSQ6xOg/XXYg6z0berCaqbOC 1eLDTa+Q11jZbTEM/uUEojZGxucxqGHAcaAYfW9BBpi3sR9uMVFpOfq1xrAgfZoe/kMb 68U4z0AmU0mRKlThrKDDieshh8DqTDOyKWYDQNoWhikMFk4xXil+A27CJMcxKosbvlxW 29LA== q5mr7502930oex.44.1389357755063; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 04:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.134.231 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 04:42:34 -0800 (PST) References: <535A94C3-BF96-42F0-B19E-52B67F7CEFC7@wavecable.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 07:42:34 -0500 From: Doug Braun To: Dennis Reese Cc: Spitfire Group Subject: Re: [Spits] Wheel Brg. questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net I did that job about 10 years ago, and I seem to remember having the same sort of trouble. I might even have cut the new felt away from the metal shell and glued it to the old shells. Compare the thickness of the old and new shells (if they weren't completely destroyed when they were removed). Doug On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 1:08 AM, Dennis Reese wrote: > I decided to completely redo the front suspension on my 1500. Just about > finished but....I can't get the new calipers to fit and I'm guessing that > the > bearing seal is wrong and therefore the hub isn't seated properly and > forcing > the rotor against the outer edge of the caliper. You can probably tell I > don't > know what I'm talking about so expert input is needed here. Should the felt > face the bearing? What would happen if I ditch the metal cup and just use > the > felt? The cup is slightly larger than the hub. > > Thanks, > Dennis Reese > 75 Spitfire 1500 > 69 VW > _______________________________________________ > > Spitfires@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug@dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 10 10:53:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B147143032 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:53:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743E3403BC for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:50:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id uy5so5184922obc.12 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 09:48:02 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hhACpqAJY0z+ci8hGJ0DxI0l+izy4mY/kj0afKXqE1o=; b=CPklAilbEhXAt3dHx2S8M8Dtv3AfgD/uRpucRaee3r0vOHOJKlwYwGQvXOmENkKaSf cK04ihVKyozkpN9kCJrbSBq5MZvzOfoUKWB+o44tGWNM3C6upTrYpNuO4NdWy7XQeTKU z5Kdixf/0zDfqJZntCyHX+JT62bdrycsgx1QE+3xNHxPPxZXqql8n3XR7VvP+jIgpht5 5k8swpGNoasvtEDt8Gu2skGbwpyRHVx37WDk1k3+36blaXMeRiqKmJ2T/whbREzFMKTN ceBhY2irHgADnxrrqAloPP7tP7YoJRvJYS6DFhdt88K4ip/z7GF7vTzGgkNbHNKd6yEZ W9cw== qa4mr3082332oeb.68.1389376082371; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 09:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.134.231 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 09:48:02 -0800 (PST) References: <535A94C3-BF96-42F0-B19E-52B67F7CEFC7@wavecable.com> <001201cf0e24$51833ac0$f489b040$@com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:48:02 -0500 From: Doug Braun To: Spitfire Group Subject: Re: [Spits] Wheel Brg. questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net I an assure you that this is not the only situation where repro seals aren't made to thee correct specifications... Doug On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Bill Gingerich wrote: > I had the same issue when I did my '74 ten plus years back. I cut the felt > out and used the old shells. Probably 35,000 miles since then. No > problems > that I can see. > > BillG _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 10 12:54:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9CA4302A for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:54:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from st11p01mm-asmtp001.mac.com (st11p01mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.172.204.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80FFD43026 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:47:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.16.1.76] (69-11-99-158.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca [69.11.99.158]) by st11p01mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MZ70076G7XXZN80@st11p01mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for spitfires@autox.team.net; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:41:59 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.11.87,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-01-10_07:2014-01-10,2014-01-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1401100116 From: Garry Hamblin Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:41:53 -0600 References: <535A94C3-BF96-42F0-B19E-52B67F7CEFC7@wavecable.com> <001201cf0e24$51833ac0$f489b040$@com> To: Doug Braun Cc: Spitfire Group Subject: Re: [Spits] Wheel Brg. questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net If you are having fit problems with your brake discs in relation to the brake calipers, you almost certainly have the dust seal the wrong way around. The felt on the seal goes against the suspension upright, not towards the bearings. Pull out the seal and replace it with another inserted the other way round. If you are gentle enough removing them, you may even be able to reuse them. You may find that the felt material has wicked up a lot of bearing grease however, so dont be surprised of you have to buy new seals. No big deal, they are cheap enough. I have made this mistake myself, as I am sure have many others. Easy fix though. Good luck. Garry Hamblin On Jan 10, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Doug Braun wrote: > I an assure you that this is not the only situation where repro seals > aren't made to thee correct specifications... > > Doug > > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Bill Gingerich wrote: > >> I had the same issue when I did my '74 ten plus years back. I cut the felt >> out and used the old shells. Probably 35,000 miles since then. No >> problems >> that I can see. >> >> BillG > _______________________________________________ > > Spitfires@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/garry_hamblin@mac.com _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 10 17:36:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A28943077 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:36:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (unknown [76.96.62.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDE64302F for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:45:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CCnK1n0020bG4ec54Nhr5D; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:41:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([69.136.42.31]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CNhr1n0020gLkkt3PNhrqs; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:41:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:41:50 -0500 From: Dan Parrott To: Spitfire list s=q20121106; t=1389393711; bh=NXc+SvU1HYdTQA2ETJQQvN88uTDEEOFZs2Whbfaq13w=; h=Received:Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Z7FOR6Fa9ze86s0w2/1m6FDvnAek8H6DGnskUZ8xrHSTYLXsh2P9v1m5DeZhjOHVO jIFtroESsPCQMT5aVu1AaebF9pRoPy2RCdBWKCorZVNNFFhLRHBun6fPE6K6ZDsE7J XDqBQFAOMSMoNBWtYtlHaQOvMsKzMGR9HK5x98DqPWv02pC62/DO8POvyp7i+M4ZKz l0OHL3822SbB50lE3dOTbBmQJb0lWWAvnZZcPDSXrcyJQC+TRHcVXfjtuKGvnDkyO9 emI1iRH4BWJExrCh8W/7c4WArhMU15d/p1oQzqm2G6poy2WiSV4W7tNjwehNYL7fx1 ya5CEWyxYu5AQ== Subject: [Spits] Spitfire spotted! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Just now watching a new show on the IFC channel called "The Spoils of Babylon." The main character is shown diving an Inca Yellow square-tailed Spitfire. However, in keeping with the intentionally - cheesy dialog and filming standards, all on the road shots are of a yellow Spitfire slot car on a miniature film set! _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 10 23:00:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B4A430CF for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 23:00:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from wavecable.net (mail3.wavecable.net [76.14.0.250]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E114303C for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:32:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.113.232.45] (HELO [192.168.1.14]) by wavecable.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 804305937; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:33:14 -0800 From: Dennis Reese Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:30:16 -0800 To: Bill Gingerich , Spitfire Group References: <535A94C3-BF96-42F0-B19E-52B67F7CEFC7@wavecable.com> <001201cf0e24$51833ac0$f489b040$@com> Subject: Re: [Spits] Wheel Brg. questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all who offered input. Problem solved and I would add a cautionary note to any others who might do this: don't throw any old stuff away! Cutting the felt out of the new shells and gluing into the old worked perfectly. The old (I assume the original) shells are much heavier metal and about 2mm smaller in diameter than the new ones as well as being less wide and thus can be tapped into the hubs easily. The attached pictures tell the story; [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of DSC_0501.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of DSC_0502.jpg] The reworked suspension looks so good I almost hate to drive it! [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of DSC_0500.jpg] On Jan 10, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Bill Gingerich wrote: > I had the same issue when I did my '74 ten plus years back. I cut the felt > out and used the old shells. Probably 35,000 miles since then. No problems > that I can see. > > BillG > > > -----Original Message----- > From: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Braun > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 6:43 AM > To: Dennis Reese > Cc: Spitfire Group > Subject: Re: [Spits] Wheel Brg. questions > > I did that job about 10 years ago, and I seem to remember having the same > sort of trouble. I might even have cut the new felt away from the metal > shell and glued it to the old shells. Compare the thickness of the old and > new shells (if they weren't completely destroyed when they were removed). > > Doug > > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 1:08 AM, Dennis Reese > wrote: > >> I decided to completely redo the front suspension on my 1500. Just >> about finished but....I can't get the new calipers to fit and I'm >> guessing that the bearing seal is wrong and therefore the hub isn't >> seated properly and forcing the rotor against the outer edge of the >> caliper. You can probably tell I don't know what I'm talking about so >> expert input is needed here. Should the felt face the bearing? What >> would happen if I ditch the metal cup and just use the felt? The cup >> is slightly larger than the hub. >> >> Thanks, >> Dennis Reese >> 75 Spitfire 1500 >> 69 VW _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 11 14:48:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507C4430A2 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 14:48:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from wavecable.net (mail3.wavecable.net [76.14.0.250]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F47842F43 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 13:21:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.113.232.45] (HELO [192.168.1.14]) by wavecable.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 804636883; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 12:21:03 -0800 From: Dennis Reese Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 12:18:05 -0800 To: customercare@longmotor.net, Spitfire Group Subject: [Spits] Customer Contact From Victoria British Website Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Not long ago I purchased two wheel bearing kits for my 75 spitfire 1500 your p/n 5-925. In the process of installing using the original hubs and your kit, it became apparent that the supplied oil seal wasn't going to work. The metal shell diameter is slightly larger than the hub diameter and therefore cannot be inserted in the hub. It is also made of very thin metal that will easily deform under any kind of pressure either from a press or by tapping with a hammer. Apparently this has happened to other spitfire owners as several responded to my plea for advice by saying that I should cut the felt out of the supplied seal and glue it into the original shells. I did that and it worked but the fact remains that you are apparently selling a part that won't fit the original hubs (maybe new hubs are slightly different?). Most of us know to not throw away original parts just for this reason and garages are full of them. I've attached a couple of pictures for your information. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of DSC_0501.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of DSC_0502.jpg] _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 11 21:08:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62DA1434D8 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 21:08:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from cmta6.telus.net (cmta6.telus.net [209.171.16.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8331742F5F for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 21:01:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from yourb27fb1c401 ([154.20.154.172]) by cmta6.telus.net with TELUS id Cryj1n00A3jSP2q01rykdz; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:58:44 -0700 a=mD3Kj/CLjnTl71aK6ad9bQ==:17 a=CmSHC1feHJsA:10 a=LGgl8L9ij00A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aatUQebYAAAA:8 a=W8-InJ6AFWUA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=KPx06OtJAAAA:8 a=nUuTZ29dAAAA:8 a=OFPDlCSiZ3eakBDiAmIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=FtOVzxTK8FIA:10 a=rBKJJ2Jc0C4A:10 a=7m_Y5vpMbbWTT5zU:21 a=iORtaF4NoEDbSHKt:21 a=mD3Kj/CLjnTl71aK6ad9bQ==:117 From: "Nick Moseley" To: "'Spitfire Group'" References: Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 19:58:43 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac8PFohzwPvQkksfSqysgAlqUmUEYAAM+Riw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Spits] Customer Contact From Victoria British Website Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Well put Dennis, and well down for giving some valuable feedback. Best Regards Nick Moseley -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Reese Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 12:18 PM To: customercare@longmotor.net; Spitfire Group Subject: [Spits] Customer Contact From Victoria British Website Not long ago I purchased two wheel bearing kits for my 75 spitfire 1500 your p/n 5-925. In the process of installing using the original hubs and your kit, it became apparent that the supplied oil seal wasn't going to work. The metal shell diameter is slightly larger than the hub diameter and therefore cannot be inserted in the hub. It is also made of very thin metal that will easily deform under any kind of pressure either from a press or by tapping with a hammer. Apparently this has happened to other spitfire owners as several responded to my plea for advice by saying that I should cut the felt out of the supplied seal and glue it into the original shells. I did that and it worked but the fact remains that you are apparently selling a part that won't fit the original hubs (maybe new hubs are slightly different?). Most of us know to not throw away original parts just for this reason and garages are full of them. I've attached a couple of pictures for your information. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of DSC_0501.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of DSC_0502.jpg] _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/nmoseley@telus.net __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9279 (20140111) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9279 (20140111) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 13 15:17:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACECF42F04 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 15:17:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [74.208.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D884403CF for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:11:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com ([172.19.198.47]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmxus001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LnfuF-1VRFJr3QcR-00hxMT for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 19:08:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 20735 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jan 2014 18:08:28 -0000 Received: from 76.84.97.85 by rms-us001 with HTTP Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 13:08:27 -0500 From: "Joe Guinan" To: spitfires@autox.team.net x-registered: 0 Subject: Re: [Spits] Customer Contact From Victoria British Website Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Good job on at least trying to let them know of a problem wit their product. I await - with bated breath - any actual reply from VB/LMC. I really don't think they care. I used to buy some stuff from them, because I travelled through the Kansas City area somewhat regularly and could save shipping costs. Now I only use BPNW, SpitBits, and TSI. When anyone I've communicated with actually had problems with any of their parts, they WANTED to hear about it, and wanted to make sure they corrected the problem. You may pay a tiny bit more for their parts, but that expense is paid for by not having to deal with problems like you experienced. Still, little things get by everyone once in a while. A parts producer could change specs without letting anyone know, etc. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE spitfirejoe@email.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 12:18:05 -0800 > From: Dennis Reese > To: customercare@longmotor.net, Spitfire Group > > Subject: [Spits] Customer Contact From Victoria British Website > > Not long ago I purchased two wheel bearing kits for my 75 spitfire 1500 your > p/n 5-925. In the process of installing using the original hubs and your kit, > it became apparent that the supplied oil seal wasn't going to work. The metal > shell diameter is slightly larger than the hub diameter and therefore cannot > be inserted in the hub. It is also made of very thin metal that will easily > deform under any kind of pressure either from a press or by tapping with a > hammer. Apparently this has happened to other spitfire owners as several > responded to my plea for advice by saying that I should cut the felt out of > the supplied seal and glue it into the original shells. I did that and it > worked but the fact remains that you are apparently selling a part that won't > fit the original hubs (maybe new hubs are slightly different?). Most of us > know to not throw away original parts just for this reason and garages are > full of them. I've attached a couple of pictures for your information. _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 13 22:14:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2987F4040E for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 22:14:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f44.google.com (mail-oa0-f44.google.com [209.85.219.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C8740521 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:01:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id h16so8874215oag.3 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 14:59:09 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Npl2fLaDI8nEAWbnnkNhEDf+T0LVSvKvZqhLKY9I8fs=; b=Of9rgz/9FANnD+1TaGJtUrTJTwcfhR1/QV75DIUFi65utPFQY58+IqtCQoO1CgeQXG vjgkHPpsYW8j5QTc+0OkXGMwDE1wqqpSojAb3PtZAUHDuoPkcrbwtrsmXgEnxtE9Zmsg f3xHsPlbSY3YMSIAP8DxFTLiyu95MdhKlGBbFpl2rKmNbwVAWtajSy/iZCQ1FbvRC/3k u388yZ/DfHYz1WT+SgyREIKm+qUJV5mj2Om4C3tbFsE/vcilU6Ke8rlsstiUTqWnHCBw atfKEWXv35SvtGj2wIml6O7pkrB0IB1uMK6tcx90uxYlkpEa2IEXM8WvraeYnwRRO0zT pnCw== 10mr4065321obv.50.1389653949718; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 14:59:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.134.231 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 14:59:09 -0800 (PST) References: <20140113180827.154940@gmx.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 17:59:09 -0500 From: Doug Braun To: Spitfire Group Subject: Re: [Spits] Customer Contact From Victoria British Website Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Given that various vendors have been selling the same incorrect part for at least a decade, I would not hold out too much hope. The usual reply in these situations is "nobody ever complained before". BTW, this sort of thing happens much more frequently for Ford Model A parts.... Doug On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Joe Guinan wrote: > Good job on at least trying to let them know of a problem wit their > product. I await - with bated breath - any actual reply from VB/LMC. I > really don't think they care. I used to buy some stuff from them, because I > travelled through the Kansas City area somewhat regularly and could save > shipping costs. Now I only use BPNW, SpitBits, and TSI. When anyone I've > communicated with actually had problems with any of their parts, they > WANTED to hear about it, and wanted to make sure they corrected the > problem. You may pay a tiny bit more for their parts, but that expense is > paid for by not having to deal with problems like you experienced. Still, > little things get by everyone once in a while. A parts producer could > change specs without letting anyone know, etc. _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 15 02:08:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049E742F16 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 02:07:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EAF40423 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:59:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Dyx41n00L4oFfFQ01yx5lB; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:57:05 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:56:34 -0600 Subject: [Spits] pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net hi. have a 75 spit; was converted to allison ignition which is pretty dead. I want to order a pertronix, but it appears there are numerous choices. how do I choose???? _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 15 14:57:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24414043C for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 14:57:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF50403C6 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 05:56:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20140115125330.KRYJ24708.mta31.charter.net@imp09>; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:53:30 -0500 Received: from UserPC ([71.88.33.68]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id ECtW1n00A1UBpzb05CtWK7; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:53:30 -0500 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=uV9k5blr--sA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=7iYOhVWvmSCjPzJSPBoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Dave'" , References: <486BF4EAEA6A42FB917D9FB1F0CFB1C4@Datsun> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:53:29 -0500 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQDGuhfcWnY0l8j/I3K1Do4MkQtDPJyWbIQA Subject: Re: [Spits] pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net I have a Crane Cam XR700 ignition system on our 71 GT6 MKIII and it has been perfect. Don't know if they are still available. With whatever system you choose, follow the wiring diagrams exactly. If the unit needs a full 12V, don't feed it with the existing ignition ballast resistor or resistance wire. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 5:57 PM To: spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] pertronix hi. have a 75 spit; was converted to allison ignition which is pretty dead. I want to order a pertronix, but it appears there are numerous choices. how do I choose???? _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/aljlthomson@charter.net _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 15 23:55:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2362E403F1 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 23:55:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from cmta10.telus.net (cmta10.telus.net [209.171.16.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4AD5403E6 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 11:46:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from yourb27fb1c401 ([154.20.154.172]) by cmta10.telus.net with TELUS id EJjQ1n00S3jSP2q01JjQao; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 11:43:25 -0700 a=mD3Kj/CLjnTl71aK6ad9bQ==:17 a=LGgl8L9ij00A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aatUQebYAAAA:8 a=uV9k5blr--sA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=nUuTZ29dAAAA:8 a=ud3EBxlRh8Uv71u3-FcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=mD3Kj/CLjnTl71aK6ad9bQ==:117 From: "Nick Moseley" To: References: <486BF4EAEA6A42FB917D9FB1F0CFB1C4@Datsun> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 10:43:27 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac8R0Z3HlBv0y/z2TXupfkN0X6tjJwAT+eWQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Spits] pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, (I assume that is your name...) The best way is to order based on the distributor that is actually in your car, as opposed to the one with which it was originally fitted. Most distributors have the maker name and model numbers stamped on the outside. For the Lucas ones, it is often on the side that faces the engine, so you might have to free off the securing fitting and turn the dizzy until you can see it. Sometimes a mirror helps. Having had some experience of getting Pertronix units that did not fit the distributor I had ordered it for, you might consider getting one of the units for sale that include a new dizzy along with the, fitted, electronic ignition. Sometimes these can be had for as little as $160. or so, and considering the age of the original dizzy and its related parts and springs, the price difference and value of all new parts make this the smarter long term buy. It also means you could convert the one you have now back to points, and keep it as a spare in case of problems with the new one. Just my opinion... Nick Moseley -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 2:57 PM To: spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] pertronix hi. have a 75 spit; was converted to allison ignition which is pretty dead. I want to order a pertronix, but it appears there are numerous choices. how do I choose???? __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9294 (20140115) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 16 06:01:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E417403F1 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 06:01:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C4F403DD for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:55:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU182-W52 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:52:59 -0800 From: Greg Rowe To: Spitfires Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:52:58 -0500 References: <486BF4EAEA6A42FB917D9FB1F0CFB1C4@Datsun> FILETIME=[4D3C6EC0:01CF1255] Subject: Re: [Spits] pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net I replaced my dead Crane unit with a Pertronix about a year ago. I didnt remember there being any difficulty with determining which Pertronix to get, however there was a lot of confusion about the right ignition coil. You may already know this but if not, it may help. Pertronix talks about 1.5ohm and 3 ohm coils which correspond to 6 volt and 12 volt coils (the 12 volt necessarily has more windings which results in the higher resistance). Depending on what year/model you have, your spitfire may have come originally with either a 6 volt or a 12 volt coil. In addition, it may have been changed by a previous owner so double check. Both coils put out the same voltage out of the ignition wire to the distributor, the difference is the voltage that they need to operate, the amount that should be seen on the + terminal. You may wonder why Triumph would use a 6 volt coil in a 12 volt system and that is because when you are starting, the heavy draw of the starter (and lack of alternator charging) reduces the available voltage below 12 volts. You get a hotter spark to assist with the difficult task of firing the engine by temporarily overloading a 6 volt coil than underloading a 12 volt one. So normally a 12 volt coil gets 12 volts (nominally) ALL the time on its + terminal. The 6 volt gets the full 12 volts when cranking and then only 6 volts (through either a ballast resistor or ballast wire) when running. What does all this have to do with the Pertronix unit? When you install the Pertronix, it will tell you to hook up the red wire at the + terminal of the coil and the black wire at the - terminal. It will also tell you that you need a 3.0 ohm coil, e.g. 12 volts. No one that Ive spoken with is really sure, but it appears that Pertronix is saying that their unit needs a constant 12 volts to operate. The coil is a convenient place to take it from even though youre really just using a common junction, theres nothing magical about the 12 volts at the coil as compared with anywhere else (although you do want it to be switched in synch with the ignition). And I cant think of anything special about the  terminal, the Pertronix is just grounding the coil so it produces a spark and I dont see how the unit could care whether the coil is 3 ohms or 1.5. So what I did was leave the 6 volt coil in place and take a 12 volt source for the red wire from the Pertronix from the remnants of the factory electronic ignition. So far thats worked. Ive also heard that some folks have just run the Pertronix on 6 volts and it seems to work but whether it shortens its life, who can say? So bottom line: If you have a 12 volt coil and no ballast wire, you are good to go. If you have a 6 volt coil and a ballast wire, you can - Bypass the ballast and replace the coil with a 12 volt (lose advantage of hotter spark when starting) - Keep the 6 volt and find another 12 volt ignition source for the Pertronix (not recommended by them but seems to work) - Keep the 6 volt, hook up to 6 volts and see if it actually makes a difference (uncharted waters). I hope this helps. Good luck with it! Greg Rowe > From: dave@ranteer.com > To: spitfires@autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:56:34 -0600 > Subject: [Spits] pertronix > > hi. have a 75 spit; was converted to allison ignition which is pretty dead. > I want to order a pertronix, but it appears there are numerous choices. > > how do I choose???? _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 16 18:50:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AEE40548 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:50:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f177.google.com (mail-ig0-f177.google.com [209.85.213.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAB4403EE for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 09:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ig0-f177.google.com with SMTP id k19so7925786igc.4 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:01:13 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=k5gInGo86kDgl4yG1qY/tZ2nE51XH3+fDeF93m+e4wE=; b=QnH1lsLBitu3IWnO2H7EeVrFw7g9GzbwMMhQq8F9KMd4BoaWG8QkI6lIYmYr+qGXgI IZhKOSz46wUHBgJI1PB74d5zjRrjviKyAhhYYu7HOxNqtHAktu4zpAQJbJpJ8NPVubT6 KgKS6QVCXOK3MlUN9De03QWM5UmIMF+MX2qGUnUv1rzJVPCK+itY+BTM/O3YxgymM0b0 QKpWXIuUVQaPHRQ4oEd/aWD/R+cHV54gu49HsSluvOL/D/ynB66oBZk2Ngl6DG162sdL Z1v5aDLk08m99/Xh/9jw8H5q3O/+9DttKnx4u2cxDL7lY5e0s7mokatxKNADnT9qO7AP gx2w== m4mr10195514igx.47.1389888073053; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from T431 (c-98-240-146-92.hsd1.mn.comcast.net. [98.240.146.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id kt2sm3579166igb.1.2014.01.16.08.01.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:01:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Bill Gingerich" To: "'Greg Rowe'" , "'Spitfires'" References: <486BF4EAEA6A42FB917D9FB1F0CFB1C4@Datsun> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:01:02 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac8Su4gvzP3dXNkERYOBhZOSy4Dz8AAGC2sg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Spits] pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net FWIW, I put a Pertronics in my '74 (Delco dist) about 10 years ago. I left the existing coil, and hooked up the Pertronics directly to the coil. It has seemed to function fine since then. YMMV, etc. BillG -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Rowe Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:53 PM To: Spitfires Subject: Re: [Spits] pertronix I replaced my dead Crane unit with a Pertronix about a year ago. I didnt remember there being any difficulty with determining which Pertronix to get, however there was a lot of confusion about the right ignition coil. You may already know this but if not, it may help. Pertronix talks about 1.5ohm and 3 ohm coils which correspond to 6 volt and 12 volt coils (the 12 volt necessarily has more windings which results in the higher resistance). Depending on what year/model you have, your spitfire may have come originally with either a 6 volt or a 12 volt coil. In addition, it may have been changed by a previous owner so double check. Both coils put out the same voltage out of the ignition wire to the distributor, the difference is the voltage that they need to operate, the amount that should be seen on the + terminal. You may wonder why Triumph would use a 6 volt coil in a 12 volt system and that is because when you are starting, the heavy draw of the starter (and lack of alternator charging) reduces the available voltage below 12 volts. You get a hotter spark to assist with the difficult task of firing the engine by temporarily overloading a 6 volt coil than underloading a 12 volt one. So normally a 12 volt coil gets 12 volts (nominally) ALL the time on its + terminal. The 6 volt gets the full 12 volts when cranking and then only 6 volts (through either a ballast resistor or ballast wire) when running. What does all this have to do with the Pertronix unit? When you install the Pertronix, it will tell you to hook up the red wire at the + terminal of the coil and the black wire at the - terminal. It will also tell you that you need a 3.0 ohm coil, e.g. 12 volts. No one that Ive spoken with is really sure, but it appears that Pertronix is saying that their unit needs a constant 12 volts to operate. The coil is a convenient place to take it from even though youre really just using a common junction, theres nothing magical about the 12 volts at the coil as compared with anywhere else (although you do want it to be switched in synch with the ignition). And I cant think of anything special about the  terminal, the Pertronix is just grounding the coil so it produces a spark and I dont see how the unit could care whether the coil is 3 ohms or 1.5. So what I did was leave the 6 volt coil in place and take a 12 volt source for the red wire from the Pertronix from the remnants of the factory electronic ignition. So far thats worked. Ive also heard that some folks have just run the Pertronix on 6 volts and it seems to work but whether it shortens its life, who can say? So bottom line: If you have a 12 volt coil and no ballast wire, you are good to go. If you have a 6 volt coil and a ballast wire, you can - Bypass the ballast and replace the coil with a 12 volt (lose advantage of hotter spark when starting) - Keep the 6 volt and find another 12 volt ignition source for the Pertronix (not recommended by them but seems to work) - Keep the 6 volt, hook up to 6 volts and see if it actually makes a difference (uncharted waters). I hope this helps. Good luck with it! Greg Rowe > From: dave@ranteer.com > To: spitfires@autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:56:34 -0600 > Subject: [Spits] pertronix > > hi. have a 75 spit; was converted to allison ignition which is pretty dead. > I want to order a pertronix, but it appears there are numerous choices. > > how do I choose???? _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/wrgingerich@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive