From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 19 21:08:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613062580761 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:08:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF60A2580457; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55FF2C0086; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:08:20 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:08:19 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumphs , Spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] Team.Net Archives Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Finally some progress this weekend! Got the links in the postfix imap procmail mharc namazu cron chain all straightened out. Don't worry if you don't understand that part, just know that the messages to the Team.Net lists are now getting added to the archives on an hourly basis once again. Next on the list is getting all the missing months added. But for now, time for a cold one. mjb. _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 11:49:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9074D25848F9 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:49:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F132580774 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:49:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Uhpo1o00V4oFfFQ01hpp9e; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:49:49 -0700 From: "dave n" To: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:50:01 -0500 Subject: [Spits] dash cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Ibm going to try to install a dash cap on a 75, not a full replacement dash. some of the forums said its better to just fill the holes and vinyl it. anyone done either and/or have a recommendation? _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 13:42:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DD22584928 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:42:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CCE25807CF for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:42:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [67.253.121.192] ([67.253.121.192:54586] helo=Mailbox) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id DD/BD-27317-1DB1CC35; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:43:13 +0000 From: "Kevin Rhodes" To: "'dave n'" , References: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 15:43:16 -0400 Thread-Index: AQKdhi3a8lNEVHQFOkgYEJjAaWVSsJoNmOpQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Spits] dash cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net The PO of my car put vinyl over the dash nearly 20 years ago and it still looks good. I have never seen one of those hard plastic caps that looked decent. Kevin Rhodes Westbrook, ME Freddy the Spit, still needing his clutch fork pin replaced, as his keeper is a slacker. -----Original Message----- From: Spitfires [mailto:spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave n Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 1:50 PM To: spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] dash cap Ibm going to try to install a dash cap on a 75, not a full replacement dash. some of the forums said its better to just fill the holes and vinyl it. anyone done either and/or have a recommendation? _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/krhodes1@maine.rr.com _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 16:27:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2CF258089D for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:27:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f172.google.com (mail-yk0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59BD2580470 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:27:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yk0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 10so3482871ykt.17 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 15:27:31 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NrzG5hRvY+yeTTHivgQMZBjvzhzP5QNl4uxPlkIXqZs=; b=Tml15XDADLApd1KIUIVGvJB6ZyAcKFlvDSi49ivYtQ7BCXMrhq3ZP9+qPwanrhPcOK RR/3xbbZTarlIKKRB83jU9WyTcqffidDS3BueR3AZZf0JCyQUWT6dgCd0we1vbTWqn9L HwJ1rwsR+BNiEO0/11DrrvBndPhyFrdA+cXxOk+VKxrFPWePf4Rm3fjhvZePPiQFNeLh t70YeTnEufIM7nS5TwdY4B74G1sRGIfeFcosBQO5zXkDBxZi39tIRbQ2U+E33G/FJ6R7 0dG1L1Pwcf1Mn7+dwQfE1HwJWyu09BEh0s6fSfB5LOAqmxUhoFn1N1uNiJJ3nSbDD6Wd TU9Q== h10mr33594924yhc.24.1405895251691; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 15:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.140.85 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 15:27:31 -0700 (PDT) References: <006701cfa452$da10c780$8e325680$@maine.rr.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:27:31 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Spitfire Group Subject: Re: [Spits] dash cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net I did a dash cap about 10 years ago (before remanufactured originals were available), and it looks fine to me, certainly a lot better than the cracked original. If I remember correctly, I completely removed the dash pad, clued on the cap, and re-installed the pad. Doug On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Kevin Rhodes wrote: > > Ib m going to try to install a dash cap on a 75, not a full replacement > dash. > > some of the forums said its better to just fill the holes and vinyl it. > > anyone done either and/or have a recommendation? _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 18:54:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4122584AFB for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:54:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A548D258492D for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:54:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.71]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UomW1o0011YDfWL5FovCaQ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 00:55:12 +0000 Received: from 4y9ft61 ([98.237.40.227]) by omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UovB1o00K4u41k23govBNg; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 00:55:12 +0000 From: "Bob Krivenko" To: "'Doug Braun'" , "'Spitfire Group'" References: <006701cfa452$da10c780$8e325680$@maine.rr.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 20:56:18 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac+kadBI0BSaI2JSQsO23yWHJBFSmAAETuXA Content-Language: en-us s=q20140121; t=1405904112; bh=NBfpRFoS3CLt0Whm+CsGGMPwPP7B7/KkTcB2/+lUVlo=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=HAZ0u2uQpapX4jxZQF81QRjDwQpvqKv4A3prxOiI40zFPniwBc5zPBNQDDw0R8wP0 48R20+T1z/SLqOzVNgxcaKHG8YeGx9gFiNc3RbOOHRDBdLHEBiC6XJvRF6QhyaxyHj zCqsZ9r930+nvs1k5axH0qN13oNuHgKtfRvVQq7W/Dir2FBEyzEuFbam2i8+e9hV1+ XJZg9VSCqt0mGJJ13ZrPKGCE856sn8PTeyoRoSJGAKMVrIrs7hVUOrNXd5cdgXkrm2 9i4QzXTgKKSbTmgDZoH70VqsAJhQ+Y/n7ILD23xsG3nSjmppD5eVXnXOjPP+ZHM+vf YMHHdRvEJyDWw== Subject: Re: [Spits] dash cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net I had received a dash overlay that came with a car that I bought but didn't like the way it looked. It all depends on how much you want to take your dash apart. I was doing a full restoration, so the car was in pieces and I thought I would try this. I went to the trouble of carefully removing the original cap from the metal dash top trying to salvage the foam underneath the vinyl. I disconnected the entire dashboard from the top which requires removing gauges and everything else that goes with it. I then cut off the raised lip of the split or splits with a razor blade to make it as flat as possible, filling in the split with body putty and sanding it down. Then I used contact cement to glue just the edges under the cap close to the windshield, wrapped it around to fit under the dash panel and glued it there. I was able to form fit using a heat gun around the ash tray and the raised area above the gauges but just glued the area around the ash tray to keep the indentations on both sides of the ash tray. I don't believe that I used glue all over the entire dash top so the vinyl can flex a bit. I then glued it back onto the metal dash top and bolted up the dashboard to it. This was done at least four years ago and it still looks like day one. Back in the 70's I did this to my tr4 dash top and it too still looks good after all these years. They now have a full replacements for these dash tops but I am still too cheap to go that route. Hope this helps. Bob Krivenko -----Original Message----- From: Spitfires [mailto:spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Braun Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 6:28 PM To: Spitfire Group Subject: Re: [Spits] dash cap I did a dash cap about 10 years ago (before remanufactured originals were available), and it looks fine to me, certainly a lot better than the cracked original. If I remember correctly, I completely removed the dash pad, clued on the cap, and re-installed the pad. Doug On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Kevin Rhodes wrote: > > Ib m going to try to install a dash cap on a 75, not a full > replacement dash. > > some of the forums said its better to just fill the holes and vinyl it. > > anyone done either and/or have a recommendation? _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/trbob@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 19:23:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56F72584B02 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from nm20-vm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm20-vm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B615A2580A63 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:22:56 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1405905797; bh=OXHLSZk+TigGPGyacFWb2ytxbe/kyhcj5re08ITdCtA=; b=jO9FVjU3dDdXsncuHPua7XNj8iML2UiJOK9zEi/z5rmtaujhWGQhprD2xmBvxCOStiCX8djPUB39ixF7S0N2teHnHe8GpiynrcXIcWKBooVyazyw0k4MpK8jINHUfOEIkoCGT3NhURmOS9iM0B0FN9FqeKElHCRalawXe/puWA3KLUPuJb9/db3Yg6ORb7kkMcDsU8S1kGHhvwdiphMUdUv/fnLZ23MOWtxjTfJ9sBS+OanF6GJHh7LucxLjfq2deX4C/kY3nDgRXf1U4L+mG47a9bgcZREKVwdvXlf8v0PFWVIea48AvFm0BOSluij3vjwtrpfPFVx3/ytMtHzrww== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=sbcglobal.net; b=nHG3PR8WqQ9lhgrE3sRt2AfNL0Ox+JfDCwoBkCjEziFxDk0hU4HdE8jtDPqp7QrLWNwG1djJRZLGLeS9NgYaLf3M0wyVyUbBK+87Hdo40PLQSQLghHOBxNUKAtLFGOcR7DcD3IWuPmnOGt3pzEaMp89CW6kKnjYnCqjfY37ryAaqZCuyzv2FI28nB0oEj4aWTKcvh/pNwLkb3oI8c4MWA+jN+N152yCemzFoZq34n+Q9H4FOqxGgqGDNEiJGAqFTqzFUEddCe6+HXBDCoVFzpJ5mf/ePiBs1lMJtj1mp9rlne7uw+S21amwBjiCX9wm5L6g/uBy4c/jSoG+Fd6wOuQ==; Received: from [216.39.60.176] by nm20.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2014 01:23:17 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.243] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2014 01:23:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2014 01:23:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1405905797; bh=OXHLSZk+TigGPGyacFWb2ytxbe/kyhcj5re08ITdCtA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=eLt/ZWun8YjYnoGZYz/W76PetmCdXiMuxp+d0eA+ZVLgKysAQZ2W/a2CaYpCtuSsjXc77N18De+IusNd3x0+vZ7AC1Ns80iecE1BqYy3EzjdSMV715+yaFu78IM+mLTQ9ECC6emLhNLNsOihIugTq8Xzn3hXFN6guOUU6cTUFCg= 7Wbn.u82sKSDMDUIaihc.0lSDcBr7dj1hIbAqBoFw2R2PlVPKPefrLwwP__i YQT_6NW35RmtNJAdUWcxuaGDk7mlC5Rh7ymtmSMFI1au5ZDOAsQ.QNo4wQeO XmsZb7Z9xuuBdAeK1hhxd6Qu._3E.3695yFswxcrAa0JgZKDWq3A3_iY8pUl TwmDJ7_7B.sPUHW7puAl_puSCd59rL1qoCBLtVbp2SlfJd2ypY7OmEcLyCdY 17zuhFIP3xtYTO_2qi2YYJe67pi1q0cjuogrNapd7hdP9tOOXw2EIEONTuHG NCVrqwWXBQiw5avQgg_HQ2Iwxpe3xD3UOrPoUDV77lpDUoaCnJ6UgPYnMbg. GIhQuDaxfgL6g29B.BFBhQpPmql84TYYybn1yQC7urLQjsIk1Fe_mryw5n9n O7b3hfCMNlN3OCmw2.qrFfInci17gxuA1tFO9wI_CW8rjzJaQ.FQMer8.lwF EzxlCy8z4b1zLnbs8Zh5IfOS56Aekpq_kaBaVSA.V57OGUO5QPV4qntJ1eZ8 RqfWjZe4qtgajkZivZ92j9W9xcG32G1rN2YpYYbiedR9iF1SifddCleSMCyc - References: <006701cfa452$da10c780$8e325680$@maine.rr.com> <01a901cfa47e$94ca1560$be5e4020$@net> From: Berger Bob Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 20:23:13 -0500 To: Spitfire Group Subject: Re: [Spits] dash cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Back in the 90's I installed one of the dash overlays. It was made from a thicker material than what they are selling nowadays. Mine still looks great and the only way anyone knows is iOS an overlay is that it doesn't extend all the way back to the wood dash and if you feel under the lip you can tell it's there. Bob Berger 78 Spitfire > On Jul 20, 2014, at 7:56 PM, "Bob Krivenko" wrote: > > I had received a dash overlay that came with a car that I bought but didn't > like the way it looked. It all depends on how much you want to take your > dash apart. I was doing a full restoration, so the car was in pieces and I > thought I would try this. I went to the trouble of carefully removing the > original cap from the metal dash top trying to salvage the foam underneath > the vinyl. I disconnected the entire dashboard from the top which requires > removing gauges and everything else that goes with it. I then cut off the > raised lip of the split or splits with a razor blade to make it as flat as > possible, filling in the split with body putty and sanding it down. Then I > used contact cement to glue just the edges under the cap close to the > windshield, wrapped it around to fit under the dash panel and glued it > there. I was able to form fit using a heat gun around the ash tray and the > raised area above the gauges but just glued the area around the ash tray to > keep the indentations on both sides of the ash tray. I don't believe that I > used glue all over the entire dash top so the vinyl can flex a bit. I then > glued it back onto the metal dash top and bolted up the dashboard to it. > This was done at least four years ago and it still looks like day one. Back > in the 70's I did this to my tr4 dash top and it too still looks good after > all these years. They now have a full replacements for these dash tops but I > am still too cheap to go that route. Hope this helps. Bob Krivenko > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spitfires [mailto:spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug > Braun > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 6:28 PM > To: Spitfire Group > Subject: Re: [Spits] dash cap > > I did a dash cap about 10 years ago (before remanufactured originals were > available), and it looks fine to me, certainly a lot better than the cracked > original. > If I remember correctly, > I completely removed the dash pad, clued on the cap, and re-installed the > pad. > > Doug > > >> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Kevin Rhodes wrote: >> >> >> Ib m going to try to install a dash cap on a 75, not a full >> replacement dash. >> >> some of the forums said its better to just fill the holes and vinyl it. >> >> anyone done either and/or have a recommendation? > _______________________________________________ > > Spitfires@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/trbob@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > Spitfires@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/bberger720@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 21 06:47:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E712584B83 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:47:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f177.google.com (mail-ig0-f177.google.com [209.85.213.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C27258069A for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:47:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hn18so2757249igb.16 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 05:47:42 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=uKFE5aiC8GG81OatWzCac6cSnQ7BLyCdqEUDafzv5KQ=; b=Qmk0yJ3hoEayf188fB1rRXVf/5RaBiEdqJ4uwZd6J4ttud2rGynpJvZ0UbYilT5jI2 4n9Xz6iqgwZZUtAN/T9nuE6ckZGJtURRl4X1V3csnKvtMBCCHmlTx5He5rkPSfYq081j H7cywRlAlI5q8haw+wbsnlBfE9vpME49vgKNyHzccpolIRLXcWCm8PDqQySEQuf51fxn 65JuWiw+RABNAz0BJKmskgxHz4rqSOnlH0eFqCqNyBvEwOqX/6EGzN07vt3XutrXdnIs zWJNuvJsloyAZvDq3fESfitVAtrAtX5dLu1nSrwx/xeEaC5oLgLc206+ilX48Xw6DJ5U gEmQ== x19mr4564863icb.95.1405946862321; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 05:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from T431 (c-98-240-146-92.hsd1.mn.comcast.net. [98.240.146.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j10sm38425110igv.17.2014.07.21.05.47.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Jul 2014 05:47:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bill Gingerich" To: "'dave n'" , References: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 07:47:38 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac+kQw1N/0Q2Om6fS0WJRk/2NEMw2wAnjGFw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Spits] dash cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net I did a dash cap 15 years ago, and have no complaints. I trimmed the areas where the splits in the dash had risen up first. I removed the demister vents and ashtray, and reinstalled them after laying the cap in place. I didn't bother to glue the cap down, just used the vents to hold it. Doesn't look "original" but looks decent to me. BillG -----Original Message----- From: Spitfires [mailto:spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave n Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 12:50 PM To: spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] dash cap Ibm going to try to install a dash cap on a 75, not a full replacement dash. some of the forums said its better to just fill the holes and vinyl it. anyone done either and/or have a recommendation? _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 18:25:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D29C2584515 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:25:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495832584515 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:23:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id VcPn1o00H4oFfFQ01cPnQy; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:23:48 -0700 From: "dave n" To: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 19:23:10 -0500 Subject: [Spits] 75 spitfire parts question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net the black plastic trim pieces at the top of the doors, above the door panesl, about 3b high and running the length of the door b are these the moss parts 644-430 door waist rail cover lh, and 644-440 door waist rail cover rh? Ibm thinking some vinyl glued on would work here pretty well?car is not that original. or maybe I should go disco and glue on some shiny, metallic something??? (just kidding) _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 18:41:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F2725808DB for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:41:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f48.google.com (mail-yh0-f48.google.com [209.85.213.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63291258089F for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:41:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f48.google.com with SMTP id i57so327557yha.7 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:42:16 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=LScAFaNtoOjspwwBCWFlTDY71ZAnUMRncLmdt2avfHs=; b=dpyCcMtyrO+zaLFBVNxSveqdat8n2pvHp379b9VGRa8JUNQb5hjgrrN8dIvNfmyxh5 3heU7yePbY5dIOsUzFPX9pS21jAeSU8atHS7IPhV5DUCe/CWBbty84hBmXvc7643JWAz JZDDZMXZXf3fmhqfSLKEckHK/hCPDZdkIBcxvo/kG5vTvowcsHnKf6DX5eeI9WJFAln5 nAkoT9eb0hJ6sEN/beUClNBwvDFtoe8TY0tkbtFfairYTu7STrNX0htYVRjW/FzvvD01 xjEJItrFaz0fM70YPjc/jB7nniKjhQjn7PO5XpCVsvnRs1Em0ddL11qtpWZ2MWjeeewH KxtQ== h10mr55965075yhc.24.1406076134520; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.212.11 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:42:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <55066A00B8EB4F3BB84078F57048E018@Ranteer.local> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 20:42:14 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: dave n Cc: Spitfire Group Subject: Re: [Spits] 75 spitfire parts question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net I installed some of those about 10 years ago. They are OK, but a little pricey. At this point, one of them is starting to get a bit wrinkled. If I had to do it over, I would at least experiment with gluing down some vinyl material with the right sort of texture. You would want something rather lightweight and stretchy, with a non-woven backing. Doug On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 8:23 PM, dave n wrote: > the black plastic trim pieces at the top of the doors, above the door > panesl, > about 3b high and running the length of the door b are these the moss > parts 644-430 door waist rail cover lh, and 644-440 door waist rail cover > rh? > > I'm thinking some vinyl glued on would work here pretty well?car is not > that > original. _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49982580761 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 09:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.241]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C8E2580736 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 09:06:56 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1404486426; bh=EPiQSrQy/n3fr9OdmhcUTRYe2RGgCgHB73FH+BvnZK0=; b=MHsSQDXs8f3LZs89c8b7mdmDdf6+j529lwGKFyo4jzzZfcZxJxmn/8A0SsqDufIfET+oFUzMg9PmMdRNBq93rTDTlPm0czTOVElRynL1TAoohKh6LRzvd5tBKMJi0ewcdvEAmee1iNN4NRN9A8GfPkMj6yqVy/uCwK2GOlSkTHW4LB0LrAm/Wht6mIsVIZzYYn7JddFR5Iq6RNfplrU7GA7dlP9B4R0tDJSLZWov+9eeV8NaEVmh8Xhk5XvdJYinDtywFlxe0x0zOeawOuWyfI6mOH1681AhakU2WIeJWzlQE7s6rCrVVlnnz9I4nhMAornemVMMjDEQZuBM71QaJQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=sbcglobal.net; b=NzbfDzcu0IO5Q1PELGOEtELyJ0W+FjrxOUv2IouYWyu4nBMgrOa0CT7vUkQJAy3PqXrVLsIYAx/hm2CsWaq+3D27u9WtANI1SBTKjU4sGWnNLKdFWKRLqMyb+pjGzYnQIdYLouC5Csh3wDQc9IPYgoFTRkil6zwhfY620jhtB2+xvniuHPv735+lwHPZySFaUN3wudlRjojEdbxKwlz2h9C+JiVjpHKlZkZ7sq1rLyLNjTXUCOpXq/HFL5cbdfYEWR3G5bIlMNpWcKbrdE4rP4ILCd2fd9l0MyFCYbActwtSUQ2jZY0KH264ouCILI6eUgHLatSCpiYijA6FtJTy5w==; Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2014 15:07:06 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.62] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2014 15:07:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2014 15:07:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1404486426; bh=EPiQSrQy/n3fr9OdmhcUTRYe2RGgCgHB73FH+BvnZK0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Importance:From:To:Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=K8bRrIQg8gNSV9db//3Eo+WV1uIJo6R3GtJsUJBnwCFCL1JF5b7vYbbU4RLV6a4H8/+0ZpdLXCBhbdYoBvExgmpXGpD1sT5SbyOq3nBlFXaOGAwJsAaI+wtHLBtxP+kXQRzd9hOGLIb5j/yOMADJd4SvWMf/f39SaAV3d0mocYw= foaZUP16t8s8MRkdQe3qvQk46pT4_nGiBWeJeQ9bBrRMY.h8kXsDqbMDEaop XtnzmsMOSL5NhHNkOP8Qmkgg_TYsUKeSH7X0XKignD2IZUfoGVOyMUuzQIdD yboXNgFSHFPa_7_RdifbCpgyATu9UP5dCA0.E.Z9elodlIK5SlSedCMT1Jah HUk03JyQ5I3MlLAZYCacS.TbZ2_C6EoqEpaNFS8kLLgnomNwUMpSdKJiWobK BVSENpcbdtUTjPkJG8t6ZxBr0CzEeM1a74o8fvYSrBDcPSFtgTn5q1j.FE9w lt82zDEoA6oRISGoo0rEgB4IqHarjtZ.UT_YBZQB5kudx3N4.5izI6nPTUIN t_45TiTEPV_RJ9lFTfI2bqHUIQP38.6qGiFwghMOp4X8as_RhQGyo8dguiBn 4wkoTEF_A_5Y9F.vlmx4BAxD4p1ZvIwkS371knP6Ki3oC5F1s4Tq79WxHuPy RIkE64F_bZYphCqmr.dJkD1dFpO17ZO4Z6HOACirSagLFmRkcetcDQnI- Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 11:07:00 -0400 From: Doug Mitchell To: Spitfires Subject: [Spits] Spitfire in American Profile Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Spitted ones, Anyone who receives American Profile magazine as part of their weekend supplement wants to keep an eye out for this weeks issue. There is an article on diners, and the main photo has a 74 Spitfire 1500 in the center of it. The car is white and has a white front plate. It is just fuzzy enough that I can't make out the state. Doug dmitchel@sbcglobal.net Sent from my mobile phone _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF342580614 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 16:40:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8282580499; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 16:40:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBCE2C0068; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 16:40:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 16:40:58 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumphs , Spitfire Group Subject: [Spits] Team.Net archives Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO For those of you who have gone to the archive link below, you probably noticed that the last few months are missing and the archive is not getting updated on a regular basis. Sorry 'bout that, I still haven't tracked down the exact problem, but hope to have it back to normal soon. mjb. _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551E125806DB for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 10:29:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from fipsb01.cogeco.net (smtp1.cogeco.ca [216.221.81.28]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F3E2580455 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 10:29:52 -0600 (MDT) d="scan'208,217";a="466397816" Received: from d24-57-102-177.home.cgocable.net (HELO cullenfamily) ([24.57.102.177]) by fipsb01.cogeco.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2014 12:30:08 -0400 From: "Jim Cullen" To: Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:30:04 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Rear End Noise.... dumb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Hi listers..... I wonder if I could get some insight/advice on a knocking noise that seems to be coming from the RH side of my rear end. I notice it more @ once I get up to about 50 km/hr, especially over bumps (to the point I thought it was the shock absorber and replaced that to see if it disappears as it seemed to sound like the shock absorber was bbottoming outbb unfortunately, no joy there), and when making left turns. After doing some research (see link b http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/archive/index.php/t-28039.html) I thought it might be the uv joint for the RH driveshaft (note that these were replaced relatively recently, but from reading the experiences of others the relative bnewnessb of the driveshaft may not preclude the uv joints of the driveshaft from being the culprit). I have the car now jacked up and have done an inspection of the uv joints. I donbt see any evidence of play in the uv joint and the circlips on the joint appear tight. Is there a better way to diagnosis the uv joints a possible issue? I thought I should check the propshaft uv joint too, but this seems okay too. Here is my dumb question, with the car jacked up and in neutral when I hand turn the prop shaft I note the LH side drive turns in unison with the propshaft, but the RH side doesnbt (it lags or doesnbt turn). I know I should know if this is an issue, but despite having this car for close to 20 years and doing most of the work on it myself (as well as being an eager, but novice mechanic) I essentially know very little about the differential (other than what I learned from the Haynes manual and from when I replaced the driveshafts a year and a half ago). So, my dumb question is two part..... is what I bdescribedb normal? if no.... could it be the source of my rear end noise (differential needs to be replaced)? I hesitate to name the differential as the culprit, because most of my research seems to suggest differentialbs donbt knock like mine is (they bwhine), but given my novice intelligence about differentialbs Ibm not really sure. Anyhow, I would appreciate some insight Thanks for the help, Jim Cullen 1974 Spitfire _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942BA25806DC for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 10:44:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f41.google.com (mail-yh0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9FB2580455 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 10:44:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f41.google.com with SMTP id z6so1932422yhz.28 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 09:44:59 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=KNUmvtpW7+rz8JqyMQgLc0rMkrSjbl8IqFMl3tS/ouw=; b=e3CHC6iNe3ERaWTKFW5mPCoKdLzE3TgXFJaRyIM0I08a8ufriYqrUATR+WLmdjN+1t RVJ7T4VuE6Zf20vtc06zoyPKRZhK48Ds7JtPCnsH0qVWsNeuIt4ymL7BFZNycQwPOclZ MTo7we9TKIOlRYzZ+0Fk7atvjrEmLSdDNEBv+UgKQmbSpZpYteFyZXzPSIiqCXXki99b 8oyoYwhb6MGtyNDirIGrk5qi1r0WxPZVaJUPRuKQeh1iUOYsdugD8bAwkfNwClTWxoXR Ab1YmOuqzyyS2qkNUuZNifMnnisr+VfaptsMrpU3Yrp7YdvsNZ6ya531K98UyyOdOzzU f0Ng== a53mr31925048yhi.68.1405356299263; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 09:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.140.85 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 09:44:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <95E852EB06584F2FB3B76275807C3BD8@cullenfamily> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:44:59 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Jim Cullen Cc: Spitfire Group Subject: Re: [Spits] Rear End Noise.... dumb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Is this a single or erratic knock, or a continuous knock-knock-knock-knock? Here is one way to test those U-joints: Put the car in neutral and cost at about 25 MPG. Do some reasonably quick S-turns, zig-zagging back and forth. If the knock-knock-knock appears as you turn, but not as you are going straight, it could be the U-jonts. Once I had an erratic knock back there, and it turned out to be that the eye had broken off of one end of a rear shock, and the end of the shock was smashing against the mounting stud every time I went over a bump. This was a bummer, since the car still had the original DeCarbon shocks, which had been in perfect working order. I tried a couple of different types of replacements, but the originals were better than any of them. Doug On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Jim Cullen wrote: > Hi listers..... > > I wonder if I could get some insight/advice on a knocking noise that seems > to > be coming from the RH side of my rear end. I notice it more @ once I get > up to > about 50 km/hr, especially over bumps (to the point I thought it was the > shock > absorber and replaced that to see if it disappears as it seemed to sound > like > the shock absorber was b bottoming outb b unfortunately, no joy there), > and when making left turns. _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FD725806DC for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 10:56:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f177.google.com (mail-ig0-f177.google.com [209.85.213.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E413258067F for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 10:55:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hn18so1895054igb.10 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 09:55:32 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=maO1CVmgFuxuMjt4j2X3m7DqQkHulqRv7o1qwR2cDfo=; b=pnKj57pc6sDCq7PlWZCLVRaRpIn6wiFh15fnZXBvI961zVP9UsXi+EtDA1+5t7dImM 181jFcgQJHyOpa9UG7ggxs3S8aJGujsYx5kCi1I7IlRe1Xz1OJMAC6WlTGDMCbc7pyGq hZUCCEIxOXSLTJfRpMx4aZMXZiNOGXh+oGDD23QytAyMv4f2jNT97l0osFvfkPpAwvJe dq/NlQ/CEx9CwbQUcTcxg8FrNmnokzg0YgrzdfE5KG/mQwi1mRIXLbvohKOn5foxqYL+ zhfSgRyFWTq3kAOHML9dcilE0aHtdiyxt9LXUHelbKt4Q4x/GYLYlhGv0+J1Yoy53qBw mBuw== Mon, 14 Jul 2014 09:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from T431 (c-98-240-146-92.hsd1.mn.comcast.net. [98.240.146.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hu10sm26280152igb.22.2014.07.14.09.55.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Jul 2014 09:55:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bill Gingerich" To: "'Jim Cullen'" , References: <95E852EB06584F2FB3B76275807C3BD8@cullenfamily> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:55:28 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac+fgOq+603v3sPJQIyQd4x/5pa4xwAArtjA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Spits] Rear End Noise.... dumb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Jim, I've noticed the same type of "one wheel turns" situation on several cars. To my understanding, it is normal. It has to do with the ability of the diff to allow the axles to turn at slightly different speeds as you turn a corner. I don't recall the specific mechanics that go on, but I wouldn't worry about it. My "unlimited slip" '99 F150 does the same thing. Sorry, can't help you with the u joint question. BillG '74 Spit -----Original Message----- From: Spitfires [mailto:spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Cullen Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 11:30 AM To: spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] Rear End Noise.... dumb question Hi listers..... I wonder if I could get some insight/advice on a knocking noise that seems to be coming from the RH side of my rear end. I notice it more @ once I get up to about 50 km/hr, especially over bumps (to the point I thought it was the shock absorber and replaced that to see if it disappears as it seemed to sound like the shock absorber was bbottoming outbb unfortunately, no joy there), and when making left turns. After doing some research (see link b http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/archive/index.php/t-28039.html) I thought it might be the uv joint for the RH driveshaft (note that these were replaced relatively recently, but from reading the experiences of others the relative bnewnessb of the driveshaft may not preclude the uv joints of the driveshaft from being the culprit). I have the car now jacked up and have done an inspection of the uv joints. I donbt see any evidence of play in the uv joint and the circlips on the joint appear tight. Is there a better way to diagnosis the uv joints a possible issue? I thought I should check the propshaft uv joint too, but this seems okay too. Here is my dumb question, with the car jacked up and in neutral when I hand turn the prop shaft I note the LH side drive turns in unison with the propshaft, but the RH side doesnbt (it lags or doesnbt turn). I know I should know if this is an issue, but despite having this car for close to 20 years and doing most of the work on it myself (as well as being an eager, but novice mechanic) I essentially know very little about the differential (other than what I learned from the Haynes manual and from when I replaced the driveshafts a year and a half ago). So, my dumb question is two part..... is what I bdescribedb normal? if no.... could it be the source of my rear end noise (differential needs to be replaced)? I hesitate to name the differential as the culprit, because most of my research seems to suggest differentialbs donbt knock like mine is (they bwhine), but given my novice intelligence about differentialbs Ibm not really sure. Anyhow, I would appreciate some insight Thanks for the help, Jim Cullen 1974 Spitfire _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/wrgingerich@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FAA25806EB for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:35:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from fipsb03.cogeco.net (unknown [216.221.81.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73C42580604 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:35:07 -0600 (MDT) d="scan'208,217";a="465320296" Received: from unknown (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([24.57.102.177]) by fipsb03.cogeco.net with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2014 13:35:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 13:35:23 -0400 From: ccullen16@cogeco.ca References: <95E852EB06584F2FB3B76275807C3BD8@cullenfamily> To: Doug Braun Cc: Spitfire Group Subject: Re: [Spits] Rear End Noise.... dumb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8CA258075F for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:04:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-02.shaw.ca (smtp-out-02.shaw.ca [64.59.136.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8162584785 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:04:19 -0600 (MDT) cv=W0/jygPWOP4vNGB1giqMd6hViTlTWopR5z2gXdBWnF4= c=1 sm=2 a=MuxecGVtX7QA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=iMSj3xQcAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=vKSNw6RymJE5U52V93wA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=Fcc6owMVZiIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=s-6v2ANZEvUA:10 a=MjqcnnLN6ZI05Hdx:21 a=rb-vI_ifZ87Cemmv:21 Received: from unknown (HELO MavisPC) ([96.52.246.184]) by smtp-out-02.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2014 12:04:35 -0600 From: "Quirk" To: "'Jim Cullen'" , References: <95E852EB06584F2FB3B76275807C3BD8@cullenfamily> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:04:36 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac+fgOJmsrhyRVD9TmmWxOSreqlXvgACyICg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Spits] Rear End Noise.... dumb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Hi Jim, Google "spider gears" view associated pictures and you will see why one wheel turns and the other doesn't. It is that cluster of four gears that allows for a difference in speed between the rear wheels as you turn corners or loose traction and spin one of the rear tires. With respect to your knock if it is irregular and happens over bumps etc., it could be from anything that moves with or comes in contact with the suspension. If it is regular and occurs at the same frequency as wheel rotation it should be in the driveline between the differential and the wheel rim. If it is regular and occurs about 4 times each wheel revolution then it is in the driveline from the differential forward to the transmission. ....Spitman.... -----Original Message----- From: Spitfires [mailto:spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Cullen Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:30 AM To: spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] Rear End Noise.... dumb question Hi listers..... I wonder if I could get some insight/advice on a knocking noise that seems to be coming from the RH side of my rear end. I notice it more @ once I get up to about 50 km/hr, especially over bumps (to the point I thought it was the shock absorber and replaced that to see if it disappears as it seemed to sound like the shock absorber was bbottoming outbb unfortunately, no joy there), and when making left turns. After doing some research (see link b http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/archive/index.php/t-28039.html) I thought it might be the uv joint for the RH driveshaft (note that these were replaced relatively recently, but from reading the experiences of others the relative bnewnessb of the driveshaft may not preclude the uv joints of the driveshaft from being the culprit). I have the car now jacked up and have done an inspection of the uv joints. I donbt see any evidence of play in the uv joint and the circlips on the joint appear tight. Is there a better way to diagnosis the uv joints a possible issue? I thought I should check the propshaft uv joint too, but this seems okay too. Here is my dumb question, with the car jacked up and in neutral when I hand turn the prop shaft I note the LH side drive turns in unison with the propshaft, but the RH side doesnbt (it lags or doesnbt turn). I know I should know if this is an issue, but despite having this car for close to 20 years and doing most of the work on it myself (as well as being an eager, but novice mechanic) I essentially know very little about the differential (other than what I learned from the Haynes manual and from when I replaced the driveshafts a year and a half ago). So, my dumb question is two part..... is what I bdescribedb normal? if no.... could it be the source of my rear end noise (differential needs to be replaced)? I hesitate to name the differential as the culprit, because most of my research seems to suggest differentialbs donbt knock like mine is (they bwhine), but given my novice intelligence about differentialbs Ibm not really sure. Anyhow, I would appreciate some insight Thanks for the help, Jim Cullen 1974 Spitfire _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/the5quirks@shaw.ca --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0E5258073D for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 13:49:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f52.google.com (mail-yh0-f52.google.com [209.85.213.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D724925804F3 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 13:49:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f52.google.com with SMTP id t59so931434yho.25 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:50:07 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kfQfzxt3nIp03RyM7JxKKqhcRXQCfKex3OknPZBbtrw=; b=IrgIbBhLvXbal59625R+Y1kNBlp6anRnrMCZ5OMMuaey6rNs2KHTW7tMJJB9QgtijC NEdflmlEPVLdd67q60etfXF/TcVyYIBaail83pGWDxjQ5wISmbvkEomrS2q0wDhbv4gs KF3dFWPSVm3IJeTg8SbFKLNl7PgPHKApy6bKGWFoufPmwcnNvJmFK7z8mQfoAkFFONvw Qk9K4Q9GGVLvJBWGblRP7kubfti3uxQYmDlNM0QFnfQih9Sg8PZALgk2WUwQlA4icjEu +f+9bzbcuobtGwMBprmPvTagvz+wKhOnPj9k6ZdVD7K1CzZBDAVp+FlnjH8RJWOn+yfB HZWw== r32mr33222633yhp.94.1405367407316; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.140.85 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:50:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <95E852EB06584F2FB3B76275807C3BD8@cullenfamily> <002f01cf9f8e$12f2d3f0$38d87bd0$@ca> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 15:50:07 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Spitfire Group Subject: Re: [Spits] Rear End Noise.... dumb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO If you have a driveshaft problem, such as a bad U-Joint, it will often show up as an obvious nasty vibration round 50 MPH. > With respect to your knock if it is irregular and happens over bumps etc., > it could be from anything that moves with or comes in contact with the > suspension. If it is regular and occurs at the same frequency as wheel > rotation it should be in the driveline between the differential and the > wheel rim. If it is regular and occurs about 4 times each wheel revolution > then it is in the driveline from the differential forward to the > transmission. > > ....Spitman.... _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD65C2580747 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 13:51:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f49.google.com (mail-yh0-f49.google.com [209.85.213.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B1125804F3 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 13:51:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f49.google.com with SMTP id z6so1871778yhz.8 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:51:42 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=qQdmehvZAG5MpkkgwsQnZXm8rUZyLZ4RTA9KjPIyYbE=; b=nAZ7+BtUzTKGlV4Ep2Uk2YbtjmzPNH/y6gehu/0MbFXMk5t2VzqqEvZ8QbHCtr/yd9 vxSYjScQ6ju0KuXxky/HvIOTxqoFVZTclUta4p3DeKZRa8LWqge3i/psjUQcmfAr78DD gq03BkIUOgO+8vP9piOuNH+tQOtRHUxBnXCvLSE/zXxTup01dNDTa0Yx1XCvM/6UYe/I U3R8q+kS8f706S28Xpn6mWoZ2jTizbUCeiLgG3MGGukx3vs9ODmIkxhE7VbzDW75L5LH Yb/YXmIo6slAXTD097oq5YM1rNNquGNbOAqafiO0Gqo89QMRFEmgmn8BrGkO+Edditlo klGA== g79mr31476642yhi.86.1405367502720; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.140.85 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:51:42 -0700 (PDT) References: <95E852EB06584F2FB3B76275807C3BD8@cullenfamily> <002f01cf9f8e$12f2d3f0$38d87bd0$@ca> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 15:51:42 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: the5quirks@shaw.ca Cc: Spitfire Group Subject: Re: [Spits] Rear End Noise.... dumb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Don't forget to check that all the nuts and bolts that hold the three U-joint flanges to the differential are tight! Doug _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0CE25848D4 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 00:37:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from fipsb03.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223712580779 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 00:37:30 -0600 (MDT) d="scan'208,217";a="465387145" Received: from d24-57-102-177.home.cgocable.net (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([24.57.102.177]) by fipsb03.cogeco.net with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2014 02:37:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 06:37:45 -0000 From: ccullen16@cogeco.ca References: <95E852EB06584F2FB3B76275807C3BD8@cullenfamily> <002f01cf9f8e$12f2d3f0$38d87bd0$@ca> To: Doug Braun , Spitfire Group Subject: Re: [Spits] Rear End Noise.... dumb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C69225848CE for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 00:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from fipsb01.cogeco.net (smtp1.cogeco.ca [216.221.81.28]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D044F258065E for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 00:45:28 -0600 (MDT) d="scan'208,217";a="466474373" Received: from d24-57-102-177.home.cgocable.net (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([24.57.102.177]) by fipsb01.cogeco.net with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2014 02:45:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 06:45:44 -0000 From: ccullen16@cogeco.ca References: <95E852EB06584F2FB3B76275807C3BD8@cullenfamily> <002f01cf9f8e$12f2d3f0$38d87bd0$@ca> To: the5quirks@shaw.ca, spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Rear End Noise.... dumb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205A42584959 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 04:56:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16352584567 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 04:56:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SauF1o0050EZKEL53awTDF; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 10:56:27 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-210v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.48.244]) by omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SawT1o0075G6mwa3MawTSC; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 10:56:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 10:56:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Donald H Locker To: spitfires@autox.team.net References: <95E852EB06584F2FB3B76275807C3BD8@cullenfamily> (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: Rear End Noise.... dumb question Thread-Index: rwumToU57mSO5TzXfq09xlxiWpG4ow== s=q20140121; t=1405421787; bh=eVWhKMxvxpXHszGBaJRj5uoq9i+AVtb5+BCD+94Eigo=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=QbS9EFnn/6D/qndmnAoZSY67HDJDJN+41I9Atk/LE3zVE+fdFHYDTfboNcdintXQV 2ZI564yfGJuTXM49zy0FpBc5HpDFPuN2xt0TMVbO641lbim9UOOs4ruqp3/iah2P7b 0+7gJ/+TnkJzNJUxKZg5kP6igL6Gf313Jq7M7SNI4RGNjI56s006GojDhvxW0M96Tw HRSy35+7pNqFwpGH+GKyxk5Mi4plU9Pl2nTTDII0GHajX7zQ/joWNJ5j9BcHo2jQbK VgAt3Sb8eViUjZrnerCTPaHuTNvU/JoD3YP+MjNLg6xMgvhqk5CYyqCI1C4wYsIh0p 05W8+7ZfTi3FQ== Subject: Re: [Spits] Rear End Noise.... dumb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Besides checking what others have recommended, also check that the trailing link is secure at both ends and that the body where the link attaches is not cracked. (Don't ask how I know.) This can cause a knocking sound whenever you hit a bump or when powering up or down. The diff behaviour sounds normal. If the prop shaft is prevented from turning, the wheels will turn in opposite directions from each other. (Turn one forward one turn, the other will turn backward one turn.) Donald. ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Cullen" > To: spitfires@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:30:04 PM > Subject: [Spits] Rear End Noise.... dumb question > > Hi listers..... > > I wonder if I could get some insight/advice on a knocking noise that seems to > be coming from the RH side of my rear end. I notice it more @ once I get up > to > about 50 km/hr, especially over bumps (to the point I thought it was the > shock > absorber and replaced that to see if it disappears as it seemed to sound like > the shock absorber was bbottoming outbb unfortunately, no joy there), > and when making left turns. After doing some research (see link b > http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/archive/index.php/t-28039.html) I thought > it might be the uv joint for the RH driveshaft (note that these were replaced > relatively recently, but from reading the experiences of others the relative > bnewnessb of the driveshaft may not preclude the uv joints of the > driveshaft from being the culprit). > > I have the car now jacked up and have done an inspection of the uv joints. I > donbt see any evidence of play in the uv joint and the circlips on the joint > appear tight. Is there a better way to diagnosis the uv joints a possible > issue? I thought I should check the propshaft uv joint too, but this seems > okay too. > > Here is my dumb question, with the car jacked up and in neutral when I hand > turn the prop shaft I note the LH side drive turns in unison with the > propshaft, but the RH side doesnbt (it lags or doesnbt turn). I know I > should know if this is an issue, but despite having this car for close to 20 > years and doing most of the work on it myself (as well as being an eager, but > novice mechanic) I essentially know very little about the differential (other > than what I learned from the Haynes manual and from when I replaced the > driveshafts a year and a half ago). So, my dumb question is two part..... is > what I bdescribedb normal? if no.... could it be the source of my rear end > noise (differential needs to be replaced)? I hesitate to name the > differential > as the culprit, because most of my research seems to suggest differentialbs > donbt knock like mine is (they bwhine), but given my novice intelligence > about differentialbs Ibm not really sure. Anyhow, I would appreciate some > insight > > Thanks for the help, > > Jim Cullen > 1974 Spitfire > _______________________________________________ > > Spitfires@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/dhlocker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive