From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 21 12:46:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4588F2585998 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 12:46:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from fipsb02.cogeco.net (smtp3.cogeco.ca [216.221.81.30]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AE42580B72 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 12:43:41 -0600 (MDT) cv=ZfuOoIM2yt/Fh62FomABvlobHofaW5Di65U5hdVMf+o= c=1 sm=2 a=1lU9bwsix-zZHOMQ5_cA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=HvUfGui53jiyhKAUCVoA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 d="scan'208,217";a="223546632" Received: from d24-57-102-177.home.cgocable.net (HELO cullenfamily) ([24.57.102.177]) by fipsb02.cogeco.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2015 14:43:40 -0400 From: "Jim Cullen" To: Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:43:39 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Rear Suspension Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Happy Fatherbs Day to all the Dadbs out there... Given that it is Fatherbs day I thought it was finally time to diagnose and hopefully fix a tapping/rattling/metalic sound that seemed to be coming from the passenger rear wheel area. Now I am half way through it I am at a bit of a crossroads and thought before I plow ahead it might make sense to get some informed advice beyond my own limited experience (which is limited to trial and error as things have failed over the last 20 years). First the history - The sound started last year and Jade (74 Spitfire) has been in the garage on the DL since. I have learned over the years of owning this car the hard way to not ignore these types of sounds from the rear end (5-6 years ago the right rear axle sheared off mid flight leaving me with three wheels instead of the required 4, but that is another story). Anyhow, I had an inkling the offending noise might be coming from the rear leaf spring (as I noted it seems to be a tapping type sound). So, I got the read end jacked up and the rear leaf spring seems ok, except there seemed to be a bit of an extra gap/space where the rear leaf spring connects to the vertical link. I decided to try and tighten up the nyloc nut and bolt that attaches the vertical link to the leaf spring.... after 3-4 minutes I realized I am not making any headway in tightening it despite using a 5/8 spanner @ one end and a 11/16 ratchet on the other. I then decided to remove the nut and bolt with the aim of replacing the bolt/nyloc nut. Unfortunately after another 2-3 minutes I realize that despite the nut seeming to turn I am not making any progress. After some deductive reasoning I am thinking that the nyloc nut is stripped on the bolt. Now to R and R I am thinking that I will need to cut out the bolt/nut. Questions: 1) What is the easiest way to cut out this bolt/nut b i) using a hacksaw and cutting between the link and the end of the leaf spring? ii) use a dremel to cut off the bolt/nut @ the nut end? 2) If this bolt/nut is not snug, is there a reasonable chance that this (and the corresponding gap/looseness) was the source of the tapping/rattling/metalic sound from the rear end? Opinions appreciated. Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 21 15:47:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BFC258518D for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 15:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com (mail-wg0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C2B2580535 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 15:45:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgqq4 with SMTP id q4so1679462wgq.1 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:45:21 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=xPFi7DaF27CmALcxQAAYiVvEJJBcLJdZNm13EcY+tnE=; b=AxkG5pptbaYV3bwRBheebNwRpOGdSiksX7sbmAOF1W2XkUYZTI1DWiU1HEGKu1Bdd1 WqkcSJP4/Aa7hK6o0IR2gp+lFAC6T5YS0er3IU773x+1oKejrAQFIuYHqjz+bnzEKkci 5pXoTgVHIC75VQNq3FqJe8mpKu/nv/ZVcffFi0Wstn57OppV9YsbZjtx7Efn6Pq1wd85 AON303oazJ5H3+2k6kWPQJ2dgQbVPryer4XAtX4PDMwPSYoRs6njJZ7vOqYiAfJ9lQNi P4nJXP4WwsBn+cobQKC8x75ikVpLK3GEWVce2eXd+zziDkkhcnFkEe8P7daMikD3cocd mvnw== pg9mr25483920wic.79.1434923121785; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.184.140 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:45:21 -0700 (PDT) References: <8C7763BFACE24800A41C64967DFF6BB5@cullenfamily> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 17:45:21 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Jim Cullen Cc: Spitfire Group Subject: Re: [Spits] Rear Suspension Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net The inner metal tube in the spring bushing is supposed to be clamped tightly to the vertical link by the bolt. To remove the bolt, I would do whatever would cause the least damage to the other parts. If you try to cut between the vertical link and the spring, you will certainly wreck the spring bushing, so make sure you have a replacement. So make sure you have a replacement. (The bushing might already be shot, and causing the noise.) Cutting the nut off with a Dremel might be tedious. Try spraying some WD-40, etc. on the joint, then drive around and see if the noise goes away. Also try bouncing the rear bumper up and down and see if you can reproduce the noise when the car is at rest. I once had a funny bumping noise from the rear end, and it turned out that the mounting eye had broken off one of the (original) rear shocks. It was a bummer since the rear shocks still worked fine, the aftermarket replacements were not as good. Doug On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Jim Cullen wrote: > Happy Fatherb s Day to all the Dadb s out there... > > Given that it is Fatherb s day I thought it was finally time to diagnose > and > hopefully fix a tapping/rattling/metalic sound that seemed to be coming > from > the passenger rear wheel area. Now I am half way through it I am at a bit > of a > crossroads and thought before I plow ahead it might make sense to get some > informed advice beyond my own limited experience (which is limited to trial > and error as things have failed over the last 20 years). > > First the history - The sound started last year and Jade (74 Spitfire) has > been in the garage on the DL since. I have learned over the years of owning > this car the hard way to not ignore these types of sounds from the rear end > (5-6 years ago the right rear axle sheared off mid flight leaving me with > three wheels instead of the required 4, but that is another story). > Anyhow, I > had an inkling the offending noise might be coming from the rear leaf > spring > (as I noted it seems to be a tapping type sound). So, I got the read end > jacked up and the rear leaf spring seems ok, except there seemed to be a > bit > of an extra gap/space where the rear leaf spring connects to the vertical > link. I decided to try and tighten up the nyloc nut and bolt that attaches > the > vertical link to the leaf spring.... after 3-4 minutes I realized I am not > making any headway in tightening it despite using a 5/8 spanner @ one end > and > a 11/16 ratchet on the other. I then decided to remove the nut and bolt > with > the aim of replacing the bolt/nyloc nut. Unfortunately after another 2-3 > minutes I realize that despite the nut seeming to turn I am not making any > progress. After some deductive reasoning I am thinking that the nyloc nut > is > stripped on the bolt. Now to R and R I am thinking that I will need to cut > out > the bolt/nut. > > Questions: > > 1) What is the easiest way to cut out this bolt/nut b i) using a hacksaw > and > cutting between the link and the end of the leaf spring? ii) use a dremel > to > cut off the bolt/nut @ the nut end? > 2) If this bolt/nut is not snug, is there a reasonable chance that this > (and > the corresponding gap/looseness) was the source of the > tapping/rattling/metalic sound from the rear end? > > Opinions appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Jim > _____ _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 22 16:44:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193F72585D13 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 16:44:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81E82580401 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 16:43:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [76.84.235.224] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa13.server.lan (via HTTP); Tue, 23 Jun 2015 00:43:43 +0200 From: "Joe Guinan" To: spitfires@autox.team.net, ccullen16@cogeco.ca Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 00:43:43 +0200 Sensitivity: Normal References: 6QD+gvXW/Rcj+t/H7VpiV9rsyxad+Hi9R+2z7OBeQRYSQ7Y9if 7/nqCTR9iZ/0LV8LBiDtz5pz2JMuuRjthOJSG5v4flPR1fZIZo aVrdbmVKwhTuYu1zwQSJ6EmsJF/3BsEbL2nzsMYnjVoFTHKfFY 63bE6mDQh4avQnpVzWptq+AMUDty+DjXDsL0kTABUy1w7y91Uj Pum61pGsthfjk5z+MH+F9tE8WHzfnW1tWKg0CAnsv1RUqyKsTi tX4b73hABA1p9Q6c4Xyv6vudu/0 NZb5H9q0pCViWZPfODbk8haa+lllXpf1q1/wucOP4ksYmJzmk1p+oQ0a2MAXDhGYiCRJOI+Ac L1tql8xkIK6UDmf8g6tvEBmCefqqu6kB3c0c+HPB82Fuhpspkhp6uTDaum9MDDGA83bVyigCE I9D1UHb5xVb5GshE0PMGPJ3gNSY61tfxF+lHEJX2mVfVLqydQtZYj0pQ6XVBIhwqyv6NzJTJP 0BifwJ924hLNynG1PT8FsHNEFeFkq4yyuwdoQzvVMYJ+hvI3l3D9hMVZxIS3/tLWvXrbCBtmm 73en7jFzgdwbIXPOTeGk1h597FMxp9hDvlazBSlGT82XL49804/sU4jrnTHOnqaI/UGg65m0T hU48UtshSDOabaI5i1pvKuQnXvnsPPNvxjEuVvmmAjukeVJyl82CI2GO3C+Ly9mqz0EO40WqD tA+wDtUoMA== Subject: Re: [Spits] Rear Suspension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 24 07:23:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39362584B1B for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 07:23:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spitfires@autox.team.net Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C888D25845A9 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 07:15:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [76.84.235.224] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa07.server.lan (via HTTP); Wed, 24 Jun 2015 15:15:56 +0200 From: "Joe Guinan" To: spitfires@autox.team.net, ccullen16@cogeco.ca Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 15:15:56 +0200 Sensitivity: Normal WHoO2ytifJPm4zmEGn6QDB+BKtE6pJ+Cgv/ekGzNdgCVslbRhL D4zSRegldHXoUAcMd6/t4pLtE/KK3zWe7cW3GMaRUxU0ylSxxG sGBm9z3IpyK0XdQrhLGx83njVPcgPPMc2HhxblV6syCBtR6qi4 /DtYc2azthYaXNjEwqNDQYiWoMN5zwpxZYhIcV4NtPx1RP+mnq MwJgtziy3x/tmsi6WI89hkgnU4m81WvL2KG4wyqOmjcTc6tlLn puV0roVoFiYsXhwGGH/4wZOWDn7 6QwCX08V5WFpxV93Y5Ia7Sy2RAJjW4TTbm+DfwFlsQCI7QsrXG0mOyJLdwFfkXc1aF1w8OBqK +hll1W/0aW2NIdBmpJ1WcmyjEUfpuup5qMICyjwVSFqEZ29vtqDw/INAx/VBq3vv7KbNMPZgI lX9lWe3gzxm6KbXAvDmVH481dCETlHPomUexvsU0FReQWGK84b38F/V4lQlpCyFM2VhE4B7nx MNBKyKtsvoOQue1o1co4kFK6k/9wxPq+ArNELZFPQSIMA5ihPItpsVKehkJiU3BkZg23mLkng BEdAWm4Zsi0asGz/ER23Uf+OteTvaRBCM3sVy0FRtatCGPoeM8SpusT8+llozzcj5b7EwMAxd 6yuqQvD6w0TP0eBuqs2eh3S6mmn9GhWt75d9iCW2bXThb3mFWoSx0sLrMhtUnp5jGq1CUbJmg rcNK4EQToA== Subject: Re: [Spits] Rear Suspension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spitfires-bounces@autox.team.net Trying this again - looks like a blank message was received by the list... Joe B Jim - Sounds like the bushing is worn out. Pretty typical on this age of Spit. You can replace all the suspension bushings with urethane types for not a lot of money. It can make some cars drive like they are brand new. B Go to your local auto parts store and ask for a "nut splitter". The pimple faced kid behind the desk will look at you like you have antennas growing out of your head, but a good store will have one in stock. Should do the trick for you. It loops over the nut and then a sharp wedge is tightened against the nut to split it. Sometimes you have to split them twice (on opposite sides, natch) to get the nut to fall off. B If this link doesn't work - search for "nut splitter" on amazon.com. B http://www.amazon.com/Steelgrip-2265015-Nut-Splitter-Piece/dp/B003MQIVZA/ref= sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1435012642&sr=8-2&keywords=nut+splitter B Joe Guinan Fremont, NE spitfirejoe@email.com B Message: 1 Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:43:39 -0400 From: "Jim Cullen" To: Subject: [Spits] Rear Suspension Question Happy Fatherbo?=s Day to all the Dadbo?=s out there... Given that it is Fatherbo?=s day I thought it was finally time to diagnose and hopefully fix a tapping/rattling/metalic sound that seemed to be coming from the passenger rear wheel area. Now I am half way through it I am at a bit of a crossroads and thought before I plow ahead it might make sense to get some informed advice beyond my own limited experience (which is limited to trial and error as things have failed over the last 20 years). First the history - The sound started last year and Jade (74 Spitfire) has been in the garage on the DL since. I have learned over the years of owning this car the hard way to not ignore these types of sounds from the rear end (5-6 years ago the right rear axle sheared off mid flight leaving me with three wheels instead of the required 4, but that is another story). Anyhow, I had an inkling the offending noise might be coming from the rear leaf spring (as I noted it seems to be a tapping type sound). So, I got the read end jacked up and the rear leaf spring seems ok, except there seemed to be a bit of an extra gap/space where the rear leaf spring connects to the vertical link. I decided to try and tighten up the nyloc nut and bolt that attaches the vertical link to the leaf spring.... after 3-4 minutes I realized I am not making any headway in tightening it despite using a 5/8 spanner @ one end and a 11/16 ratchet on the other. I then decided to remove the nut and bolt with the aim of replacing the bolt/nyloc nut. Unfortunately after another 2-3 minutes I realize that despite the nut seeming to turn I am not making any progress. After some deductive reasoning I am thinking that the nyloc nut is stripped on the bolt. Now to R and R I am thinking that I will need to cut out the bolt/nut. Questions: 1) What is the easiest way to cut out this bolt/nut bo?= i) using a hacksaw and cutting between the link and the end of the leaf spring? ii) use a dremel to cut off the bolt/nut @ the nut end? 2) If this bolt/nut is not snug, is there a reasonable chance that this (and the corresponding gap/looseness) was the source of the tapping/rattling/metalic sound from the rear end? Opinions appreciated. Thanks, Jim ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Spitfires@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive