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Hello all,

is it possible to remove the camshaft on a 1275 with the engine in the car?

Is it remove the head and pull the followers out the top or does the engine
have to come out?

Lester

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Pretty sure it can be done.  Radiator and grill come out, I think.
May have to loosen motor mounts and jack up a bit.
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http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/topic/192399-removing-camshaft-with-eng
ine-in-situ-1275/

I googled...
remove 1275 camshaft engine in the car?
There may be more answere further down the list.  Bill in Oregon
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-----Original Message-----
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Lester
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Subject: [Spridgets] Cam removal on 1275 in car

Hello all,

is it possible to remove the camshaft on a 1275 with the engine in the car?

Is it remove the head and pull the followers out the top or does the engine
have to come out?

Lester

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Vizard used strong magnets on some kind of rods to lift the followers clear of the cam. B He held them clear with clothes pins. B There is a picture in his book somewhere in the discussion of cams. B Although the engine was on a dyno,there's no reason you can't use the same approach in the car.
Hal


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Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cam removal on 1275  in car 

http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/topic/192399-removing-camshaft-with-eng
ine-in-situ-1275/

I googled...
remove 1275 camshaft engine in the car?
There may be more answere further down the list.  Bill in Oregon
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Subject: [Spridgets] Cam removal on 1275 in car

Hello all,

is it possible to remove the camshaft on a 1275 with the engine in the car?

Is it remove the head and pull the followers out the top or does the engine
have to come out?

Lester

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Stupidity.

I got the correct tap and die in.  Those are 9/32 BSF (26 tpi) from
http://www.britishfasteners.com/index.php   In my haste I quickly chased the
threads in the rocker arm then the threads on the spare adjuster.  While
tapping the rocker arm I made sure that there was cloth underneath to catch
any metal filings.  Couldn't have the cloth in the way while I tried to screw
in the adjuster so moved it.  Still a little tough so I move the pushrod out
of the hole.

One slip of the fingers and down the hole it went.  I can not get the adjuster
out of the hole the follower is in.  I tried superglue and I tried a small
magnet.  Now I have a small magnet and a lifter adjuster in there.

So now I guess it's off to the shop and I'll just swap out the other engine..
if only it were that easy.. there is the flywheel and pilot bushing for the 5
speed.  maybe I can use the flywheel and clutch off the original 948 if they
fit an early 1098 crank.  Otherwise it's weeks in the shop waiting on just the
right parts and then the machining that follows.  Or take the engine out,
invert remove cam etc.  Not a job for an afternoon.

FRACK.

Stupid is as stupid does Forrest.

Les.. Forrest


On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:21 PM, Ron Soave wrote:

> Lester,
>
> I've never done it without pulling the motor. What's led you to pulling the
cam?
>
> Ron Soave
>
>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Lester <oldsaabguy@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> is it possible to remove the camshaft on a 1275 with the engine in the
car?
>>
>> Is it remove the head and pull the followers out the top or does the
engine
>> have to come out?
>>
>> Lester
>>
>> .. don't ask.
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B 
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 11:09:13 -0400
From: Trevor Jessie <trevor.jessie@gmail.com>
To: Lester <oldsaabguy@comcast.net>
Cc: Spridgets list <spridgets@autox.team.net>, bugeye <bugeye@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cam removal on 1275 in car
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Too late now, but I once watched a guy use some rare earth magnets,push
rods and heat shrink tubing to hold followers up and out of the way.

-Trevor


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Lester <oldsaabguy@comcast.net> wrote:

> Stupidity.
>
> I got the correct tap and die in.  Those are 9/32 BSF (26 tpi) from
> http://www.britishfasteners.com/index.php   In my haste I quickly chased
> the
> threads in the rocker arm then the threads on the spare adjuster.  While
> tapping the rocker arm I made sure that there was cloth underneath to catch
> any metal filings.  Couldn't have the cloth in the way while I tried to
> screw
> in the adjuster so moved it.  Still a little tough so I move the pushrod
> out
> of the hole.
>
> One slip of the fingers and down the hole it went.  I can not get the
> adjuster
> out of the hole the follower is in.  I tried superglue and I tried a small
> magnet.  Now I have a small magnet and a lifter adjuster in there.
>
> So now I guess it's off to the shop and I'll just swap out the other
> engine..
> if only it were that easy.. there is the flywheel and pilot bushing for
> the 5
> speed.  maybe I can use the flywheel and clutch off the original 948 if
> they
> fit an early 1098 crank.  Otherwise it's weeks in the shop waiting on just
> the
> right parts and then the machining that follows.  Or take the engine out,
> invert remove cam etc.  Not a job for an afternoon.
>
> FRACK.
>
> Stupid is as stupid does Forrest.
>
> Les.. Forrest
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:21 PM, Ron Soave wrote:
>
> > Lester,
> >
> > I've never done it without pulling the motor. What's led you to pulling
> the
> cam?
> >
> > Ron Soave
> >
> >> On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Lester <oldsaabguy@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> is it possible to remove the camshaft on a 1275 with the engine in the
> car?
> >>
> >> Is it remove the head and pull the followers out the top or does the
> engine
> >> have to come out?
> >>
> >> Lester
> >>
> >> .. don't ask.
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I wouldn't pull the cam at first, If you pull the head, you'll have more
access to the lifter gallery, then try a reacher/grabber (you know the little
fingers thingy). I'd be afraid that if I pulled the cam, the parts would drop
into the sump and then you'll HAVE to pull the pan as well- I know how my luck
goes, especially when I've been Forrest :}


Mark Haynes
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-----Original Message-----
From: Spridgets [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Lester
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 6:01 PM
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Subject: [Spridgets] Cam removal on 1275 in car

Hello all,

is it possible to remove the camshaft on a 1275 with the engine in the car?

Is it remove the head and pull the followers out the top or does the engine
have to come out?

Lester

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Hmm..  that sure is a thought..  I've got everything but the head pulled and
at this point glad that I did.  I mean why not..  arrgghh..

Pulled gears off, which meant pulling the front cover off, which meant pulling
the front pulley off, which meant removing fan and pulley, loosening the
generator to get belt off, jacking the engine up enough to clear the front
bolt, which meant taking motor mounts off and the intake and exhaust manifolds
off (Exhaust hit underneath car limiting movement),  bending heater core shelf
to get enough height to remove pulley, which meant undoing steering rack to
allow enough space for 3/4" driver underneath.

Hell, all that I have left is the head.

Once it's off I can take the damn thing piece by piece to my shop and let it
keep the slab from lifting!

But that is a good idea..

Lester


On Aug 4, 2014, at 10:15 AM, "Mark Haynes" <haynes386@netzero.net> wrote:

> I wouldn't pull the cam at first, If you pull the head, you'll have more
> access to the lifter gallery, then try a reacher/grabber (you know the
little
> fingers thingy). I'd be afraid that if I pulled the cam, the parts would
drop
> into the sump and then you'll HAVE to pull the pan as well- I know how my
luck
> goes, especially when I've been Forrest :}
>
>
> Mark Haynes
> It only goes one way-Pay it Forward
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Spridgets [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> Lester
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 6:01 PM
> To: Spridgets list; bugeye@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Spridgets] Cam removal on 1275 in car
>
> Hello all,
>
> is it possible to remove the camshaft on a 1275 with the engine in the car?
>
> Is it remove the head and pull the followers out the top or does the engine
> have to come out?
>
> Lester
>
> .. don't ask.
> ------------------------
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Group 51 or 51R is what I use.

Sent from my keyboard

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> B
> What's the appropriate modern size for a Bugeye battery? Something smaller
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Yappers, 51R in my Midget. In my car that puts the + on the right away from
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Larry

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>> B
>> What's the appropriate modern size for a Bugeye battery? Something smaller
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From: Jay Fishbein <jfishbein@snet.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 16:10:10 -0400
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The later cars with the large heater box used a smaller battery.

Jay

> On Aug 4, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Larry Macy <lmacy@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Yappers, 51R in my Midget. In my car that puts the + on the right away from
> the firewall.
> Larry
>
>> On Aug 4, 2014, at 13:12 PM, Rick Fisk <refisk@chartermi.net> wrote:
>>
>> Group 51 or 51R is what I use.
>>
>> Sent from my keyboard
>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2014, at 10:07 AM, fogbro1@comcast.net wrote:
>>>
>>> List,
>>> B
>>> What's the appropriate modern size for a Bugeye battery? Something
smaller
>>> than a 24, I hope.
>>> B
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Hello All; 



I have been searching for an exhaust flange for the 1275 exhaust manifold to exhaust pipe connection. I have not been able to fine one. I thought I had sourced one, but it turned out to be for the MGB, which is too large. Does anyone know where I can buy one or does someone have an extra to sell? 



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A friend of mine is working on a 948 Bugeye engine restoration but ran into 
a problem.  His crank has been taken down 0.040 and he cannot locate new 
bearings.  Moss can't supply them.  Anybody know of a possible source??

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http://www.minimania.com/part/9M132-40/848-948-Main-Bearing-Set-040

If this doesn't pan out, there may be more.  Bill in Oregon
https://www.google.com/#q=Austin+948+engine+bearings+.040

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A friend of mine is working on a 948 Bugeye engine restoration but ran into 
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I used a 51R in my '79 Midget.  Can't get much later than that.  :-)

Sent from my keyboard

> On Aug 4, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Jay Fishbein <jfishbein@snet.net> wrote:
>
> The later cars with the large heater box used a smaller battery.
>
> Jay
>
>> On Aug 4, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Larry Macy <lmacy@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yappers, 51R in my Midget. In my car that puts the + on the right away
from
>> the firewall.
>> Larry
>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2014, at 13:12 PM, Rick Fisk <refisk@chartermi.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Group 51 or 51R is what I use.
>>>
>>> Sent from my keyboard
>>>
>>>> On Aug 4, 2014, at 10:07 AM, fogbro1@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> List,
>>>> B
>>>> What's the appropriate modern size for a Bugeye battery? Something
smaller
>>>> than a 24, I hope.
>>>> B
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I found this last week. I've been sleeping on whether or not to take on 
the project. I was about to email the owner when I see it was sold. 
Anyone on the list buy it?

http://albany.craigslist.org/cto/4592542547.html

-- 
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Oh boy, a Spritefire!


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Kent McLean <kentmclean@comcast.net> wrote:

> I found this last week. I've been sleeping on whether or not to take on
> the project. I was about to email the owner when I see it was sold. Anyone
> on the list buy it?
>
> http://albany.craigslist.org/cto/4592542547.html
>
> --
> Kent McLean
> '56 Austin-Healey 100 BN2, thinking about a Bugeye
> ------------------------
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Mark,

I took a look at it and I'm not sure that removing the head will help.  There
is still a long way to the lifter gallery and there is a limitation in size
getting something down there.  So out comes the cam.. I hope.

Lester


On Aug 4, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Mark Haynes wrote:

> I wouldn't pull the cam at first, If you pull the head, you'll have more
> access to the lifter gallery, then try a reacher/grabber (you know the
little
> fingers thingy). I'd be afraid that if I pulled the cam, the parts would
drop
> into the sump and then you'll HAVE to pull the pan as well- I know how my
luck
> goes, especially when I've been Forrest :}
>
>
> Mark Haynes
> It only goes one way-Pay it Forward
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> Hello all,
>
> is it possible to remove the camshaft on a 1275 with the engine in the car?
>
> Is it remove the head and pull the followers out the top or does the engine
> have to come out?
>
> Lester
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Saw a 210 at Pullapart with a manual trans.  LMK if you're going for it or
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As i told you guys last week, I bought a new gas tank for my Bugeye made in Canada. B Don't get me wrong, it's a nice gas tank. B We'll made. B The problem was that my body color painted gas cap would not fit the new filler neck. B I bought a new replacement gas cap that is supposed to fit 58 to 64 Spridgets, or something like that. B It came intl the mail today and just looking at the underside of the cap told me it was not going to fit. B The two "ears" that grab under the lip of the filler neck were almost flush with the cap. Crap! So now I am looking for another gas cap. B Anyone have a new old stock "Kingsbourne" replacement cap they would be willing to sell?
Mike MacLean
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Do brake shoes (specifically, Spridget) get relined anymore - like in 
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Probably good as core when buying relined shoes.  Bill in Oregon
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Do brake shoes (specifically, Spridget) get relined anymore - like in 
the "old days"? I have several shoes without lining & am wondering if 
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I've got a set of Ferodo linings, but no shoes in hand to put them on. Some of
the newer shoes have a slightly different radius to them making them work
poorly, unless you match them to the drum-that's why I bought the linings when
I could. When I wear out my current shoes I'll reline them with PERIOD Ferodo
material.


Mark Haynes
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From: Tim Collins <thcollin@mtu.edu>
To: spridgets@autox.team.net



Do brake shoes (specifically, Spridget) get relined anymore - like in
the "old days"? I have several shoes without lining & am wondering if
they have any value.
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Some brake lining shops can re-arc your mounted lining to fit your drums.
Bill in Oregon
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-----Original Message-----
From: Spridgets [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Haynes
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 11:24 AM
To: spridgets@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Brake Shoes

I've got a set of Ferodo linings, but no shoes in hand to put them on. Some
of
the newer shoes have a slightly different radius to them making them work
poorly, unless you match them to the drum-that's why I bought the linings
when
I could. When I wear out my current shoes I'll reline them with PERIOD
Ferodo
material.


Mark Haynes
It only goes one way-Pay it Forward

From: Tim Collins <thcollin@mtu.edu>
To: spridgets@autox.team.net



Do brake shoes (specifically, Spridget) get relined anymore - like in
the "old days"? I have several shoes without lining & am wondering if
they have any value.
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Nelson,

How about a 948 and Rebuilt smoothcase for your friend. Engine and
tranny is now out of Bugsy II. The 948 spins over and was a running 948 when
removed from car 30+ years ago. All coolant drained from block prior to
storage. I installed in car for transport from Toronto but otherwise in great
shape. Needs paint and I'm sure carbs should be rebuilt but he could swap all
stuff from current car. Swap number plates on engine and well ... Receipts I
have say Tranny was rebuilt in 1985. Minimal miles as car was off the road for
restoration for 30+ years. They are taking up space under my workbench in the
garage. Price will be right and probably far easier than getting the crank
reground. I think the Race Crowd sucked up all of the 948 cranks for their
8,000 rpm hand grenades.

Jim Gruber .
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From: Kirk Hargreaves <khargreaves2@gmail.com>
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I so appreciate the wisdom and insight I get from the group . . so I want
to bounce this off of you as some of you may have experience in this arena.

Greg is a young man who I run into at the Fresh and Easy market.

He tells me that he made $28,500 last year selling event tickets on eBay.
 He does music events, no sports.

People do very well with sporting event tickets . . but most people focus
on a market that they continue to be more and more familiar with.

Why does Greg work for minimum wage at the market and then make so much
more for his time selling event tickets?  Hard to understand. . . . . there
does seem to be a disconnect here.

Greg does not come off as the type of guy who cares about impressing people
. . very reserved kind of guy.  After talking to him as much as I have I
lean towards Greg telling me truthfully what has been actually happening in
his life.

One day at Fresh and Easy he was helping me and the subject of eBay came
up.  I was lamenting the fact that I had a large item to send . . some
motorcycle parts I sold before our move. He chimed in about how easy it is
to send event tickets O'night.  That is how the conversation began.

He tells me that he made $400 recently selling Paul McCartney tickets.

The key is to buy early and buy good seats that sell out fast.  Because
Greg has bought tickets before, at times, he gets sent codes that he can
use on the ticket site/s to buy before the public.

His profit on Celine Dion . . .. he spent $800 and pulled back $2,400.

Myself with over 2000 eBay transactions I have seen many times bidding wars
which drive prices past expectations.

He immediately lists the tickets, most often for a 7 day listing.

I have spent time researching this.  It appears that there are many who do
very well with this . . no doubt those also who lose money.

Some people it appears have taken losses only to learn from their mistake
and get back in to recover losses and make gains.

Thoughts?


Kirk
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Kirk,

Scalping is illegal in some areas...might want to check.


George C
1959-AN5, 1954-100
Flagstaff

-----Original Message-----
From: Spridgets [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kirk
Hargreaves
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 8:27 PM
To: Spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] The Collective Wisdom of the Spridgets Group - No LBC

I so appreciate the wisdom and insight I get from the group . . so I want to
bounce this off of you as some of you may have experience in this arena.

Greg is a young man who I run into at the Fresh and Easy market.

He tells me that he made $28,500 last year selling event tickets on eBay.
 He does music events, no sports.

People do very well with sporting event tickets . . but most people focus on
a market that they continue to be more and more familiar with.

Why does Greg work for minimum wage at the market and then make so much more
for his time selling event tickets?  Hard to understand. . . . . there does
seem to be a disconnect here.

Greg does not come off as the type of guy who cares about impressing people
. . very reserved kind of guy.  After talking to him as much as I have I
lean towards Greg telling me truthfully what has been actually happening in
his life.

One day at Fresh and Easy he was helping me and the subject of eBay came up.
I was lamenting the fact that I had a large item to send . . some motorcycle
parts I sold before our move. He chimed in about how easy it is to send
event tickets O'night.  That is how the conversation began.

He tells me that he made $400 recently selling Paul McCartney tickets.

The key is to buy early and buy good seats that sell out fast.  Because Greg
has bought tickets before, at times, he gets sent codes that he can use on
the ticket site/s to buy before the public.

His profit on Celine Dion . . .. he spent $800 and pulled back $2,400.

Myself with over 2000 eBay transactions I have seen many times bidding wars
which drive prices past expectations.

He immediately lists the tickets, most often for a 7 day listing.

I have spent time researching this.  It appears that there are many who do
very well with this . . no doubt those also who lose money.

Some people it appears have taken losses only to learn from their mistake
and get back in to recover losses and make gains.

Thoughts?


Kirk
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From: Ron Soave <soavero@yahoo.com>
To: 'Kirk Hargreaves' <khargreaves2@gmail.com>, 'Spridgets'
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I'll be more bold - scalpers are blood sucking, bottom feeding assholes who
have no usefulness whatsoever. I can remember waiting overnight for tickets to
go on sale for shows when I was in college only to find scalpers had totally
unleveled the playing field. They do nothing except ruin the opportunity for
motivated people to get tickets to see shows that would add to their their
lives, and have turned concerts into something that often only the well-off
can afford. They add no value to anything. If he doesn't care about impressing
people, he has succeeded, as nothing impresses me less than someone who is
just a moneychanger with no added value to society.

Ron Soave
Roscoe, IL

"It only goes one way."
"Pay it forward."

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On Mon, 8/11/14, George <leavcast@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Spridgets] The Collective Wisdom of the Spridgets Group - No
LBC
 To: "'Kirk Hargreaves'" <khargreaves2@gmail.com>, "'Spridgets'"
<spridgets@autox.team.net>
 Date: Monday, August 11, 2014, 9:11 AM

 Kirk,

 Scalping is illegal in some areas...might want to check.


 George C
 1959-AN5, 1954-100
 Flagstaff

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Spridgets [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net]
 On Behalf Of Kirk
 Hargreaves
 Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 8:27 PM
 To: Spridgets
 Subject: [Spridgets] The Collective Wisdom of the Spridgets
 Group - No LBC

 I so appreciate the wisdom and insight I get from the group
 . . so I want to
 bounce this off of you as some of you may have experience in
 this arena.

 Greg is a young man who I run into at the Fresh and Easy
 market.

 He tells me that he made $28,500 last year selling event
 tickets on eBay.
  He does music events, no sports.

 People do very well with sporting event tickets . . but most
 people focus on
 a market that they continue to be more and more familiar
 with.

 Why does Greg work for minimum wage at the market and then
 make so much more
 for his time selling event tickets?  Hard to
 understand. . . . . there does
 seem to be a disconnect here.

 Greg does not come off as the type of guy who cares about
 impressing people
 . . very reserved kind of guy.  After talking to him as
 much as I have I
 lean towards Greg telling me truthfully what has been
 actually happening in
 his life.

 One day at Fresh and Easy he was helping me and the subject
 of eBay came up.
 I was lamenting the fact that I had a large item to send . .
 some motorcycle
 parts I sold before our move. He chimed in about how easy it
 is to send
 event tickets O'night.  That is how the conversation
 began.

 He tells me that he made $400 recently selling Paul
 McCartney tickets.

 The key is to buy early and buy good seats that sell out
 fast.  Because Greg
 has bought tickets before, at times, he gets sent codes that
 he can use on
 the ticket site/s to buy before the public.

 His profit on Celine Dion . . .. he spent $800 and pulled
 back $2,400.

 Myself with over 2000 eBay transactions I have seen many
 times bidding wars
 which drive prices past expectations.

 He immediately lists the tickets, most often for a 7 day
 listing.

 I have spent time researching this.  It appears that
 there are many who do
 very well with this . . no doubt those also who lose money.

 Some people it appears have taken losses only to learn from
 their mistake
 and get back in to recover losses and make gains.

 Thoughts?


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GEORGE is right, B scalping is illegal many places, B and in my opinion should be illegal everywhere it is not. B It is one thing to sell a ticket that you can't use, B but entirely another thing to scoop up tickets others would have been able to buy and then make a profit on the deal when the show sells out B I have a very low opinion of these folks.B 

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To: tncarnut1 <tncarnut1@yahoo.com>
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Well it is tempting . . amazed at this new world that I came across.

I did not consider that there are people who buy up tons of these things to
create a market for themselves.  So you make sense.

I got caught up and curious . . but now with these responses I have become
more sober about the situation.

That is why I love this list . . .

Thanks,

Kirk




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> GEORGE is right,  scalping is illegal many places,  and in my opinion
> should be illegal everywhere it is not.  It is one thing to sell a ticket
> that you can't use,  but entirely another thing to scoop up tickets others
> would have been able to buy and then make a profit on the deal when the
> show sells out  I have a very low opinion of these folks.
>
>  - David
>
>
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A guy I work with just bought a Sunbeam Alpine from a restoration place in
Iowa. Now he needs to get it from Iowa to Media PA. I told him I had a source
for good reliable referrals for a company to bring it home for him. So,
Sources,
anyone have a suggestion for a car mover that is reliable, bonded and
reasonably priced??

Thanks

Larry

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My first Bugeye with the original 948 motor that I owned back in 1971 was kind of strange when it came to oil pressure. B While driving, the oil pressure would drop from 60 psi to 40 psi after a week or two. B Upon checking the oil, it was down a quart. B I would add a quart of oil and the pressure went back up to 60 psi! B I have always wondered about this. Oil pressure should have nothing to do with oil quantity. B Any ideas of the mechanics of this? B 
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It's a function of the "lifting" capacity of the pump.  The lower the level
of oil, in relation to the location of the oil pump, the  greater the "lift"
the pump has to make, to draw the oil into it.  This translates to less
pressure on the discharge side of the pump.
Although I had to learn all about this in my day job, years ago, I never
equated it to automotive oil pumps until the late 356 engine guru, Harry
Pellow, called it to my attention.  It's real and it happens, for sure.
Some pumps are more prone to pressure drop due to lower oil levels than
others, but, nonetheless it happens.

Bud

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Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 5:56 AM
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My first Bugeye with the original 948 motor that I owned back in 1971 was
kind of strange when it came to oil pressure. B While driving, the oil
pressure would drop from 60 psi to 40 psi after a week or two. B Upon
checking the oil, it was down a quart. B I would add a quart of oil and the
pressure went back up to 60 psi! B I have always wondered about this. Oil
pressure should have nothing to do with oil quantity. B Any ideas of the
mechanics of this? B Mike MacLean
60 Sprite
56 BN2


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Bud's reply makes sense and maybe if I had replaced the pump this "symptom"
would have gone away.  The pressure was rock steady through any kind of
driving, so I think the pickup was in the right spot.  At the time I 
knew
nothing of cars.  I just used the low pressure as an indicator and 
never had
to remove the dipstick.  It ran fine until I lent it to a 
friend that wanted
to visit his girlfriend in the Marines in Twenty Nine Palms.  He had to drive
from Hermosa Beach and I told him to just watch the oil pressure gauge and
stop when the pressure got down to forty.  I even supplied the oil.  I guess
he was only thinking of one thing while driving out there.  He got as far as
Needles, California and the engine seized.  He had to buy me a used engine
from the junk yard to replace the one he killed.  Yes, there 
were Bugeyes in
junkyards back then.  After that I had to use the 
dipstick like everyone
else.Mike
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What the heck was he doing in Needles if he was going to Twentynine Palms from
Hermosa Beach?  That's some serious getting lost!  :-)

Sent from my keyboard

> On Aug 13, 2014, at 3:38 PM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
wrote:
>
> Bud's reply makes sense and maybe if I had replaced the pump this "symptom"
> would have gone away.  The pressure was rock steady through any kind of
> driving, so I think the pickup was in the right spot.  At the time I
> knew
> nothing of cars.  I just used the low pressure as an indicator and
> never had
> to remove the dipstick.  It ran fine until I lent it to a
> friend that wanted
> to visit his girlfriend in the Marines in Twenty Nine Palms.  He had to
drive
> from Hermosa Beach and I told him to just watch the oil pressure gauge and
> stop when the pressure got down to forty.  I even supplied the oil.  I
guess
> he was only thinking of one thing while driving out there.  He got as far
as
> Needles, California and the engine seized.  He had to buy me a used engine
> from the junk yard to replace the one he killed.  Yes, there
> were Bugeyes in
> junkyards back then.  After that I had to use the
> dipstick like everyone
> else.Mike
> ------------------------
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:41:44 -0700
From: Mike MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
To: Rick Fisk <refisk@chartermi.net>
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Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Oil Pressure vs Quantity
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I didn't even ask. We were both surprised when the service station owner that had given him permission to leave it parked in his parking lot wanted $200 for a storage fee.B  A princely sum in 1971. Heck, the car only cost me $150 with a factory hardtop.
Mike

On Aug 13, 2014 1:36 PM, Rick Fisk <refisk@chartermi.net> wrote:
>
> What the heck was he doing in Needles if he was going to Twentynine Palms from Hermosa Beach?B  That's some serious getting lost!B  :-)B  
>
> Sent from my keyboard 
>
> > On Aug 13, 2014, at 3:38 PM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net> wrote: 
> > 
> > Bud's reply makes sense and maybe if I had replaced the pump this "symptom" 
> > would have gone away.B  The pressure was rock steady through any kind of 
> > driving, so I think the pickup was in the right spot.B  At the time I 
> > knew 
> > nothing of cars.B  I just used the low pressure as an indicator and 
> > never had 
> > to remove the dipstick.B  It ran fine until I lent it to a 
> > friend that wanted 
> > to visit his girlfriend in the Marines in Twenty Nine Palms.B  He had to drive 
> > from Hermosa Beach and I told him to just watch the oil pressure gauge and 
> > stop when the pressure got down to forty.B  I even supplied the oil.B  I guess 
> > he was only thinking of one thing while driving out there.B  He got as far as 
> > Needles, California and the engine seized.B  He had to buy me a used engine 
> > from the junk yard to replace the one he killed.B  Yes, there 
> > were Bugeyes in 
> > junkyards back then.B  After that I had to use the 
> > dipstick like everyone 
> > else.Mike 
> > ------------------------ 
> > 
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  Maybe he was sightseeing, Needles was a awesome place back in the late 
60's and early 70's.  Then I moved out of Needles and it went downhill 
:)  :)

     mike

On 8/13/2014 1:41 PM, Mike MacLean wrote:
> I didn't even ask. We were both surprised when the service station owner that had given him permission to leave it parked in his parking lot wanted $200 for a storage fee.B  A princely sum in 1971. Heck, the car only cost me $150 with a factory hardtop.
> Mike
>
> On Aug 13, 2014 1:36 PM, Rick Fisk <refisk@chartermi.net> wrote:
>> What the heck was he doing in Needles if he was going to Twentynine Palms from Hermosa Beach?B  That's some serious getting lost!B  :-)B
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:17:05 -0700
From: Kirk Hargreaves <khargreaves2@gmail.com>
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This prompts a question . . something that I have never understood about
oil pressure.  When an engine is worn the pressure goes down . . correct?

I have heard that this is tied, at least in part, to worn bearings.  If so,
I cannot picture how worn bearings would reduce oil pressure?

If anyone can help me to understand this it is certainly appreciated.

(Explaining it and my understanding of the explanation may be two different
things)!

Thanks,


Kirk
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On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Mike Rambour <lists@dinospider.com> wrote:

>  Maybe he was sightseeing, Needles was a awesome place back in the late
> 60's and early 70's.  Then I moved out of Needles and it went downhill :)
>  :)
>
>     mike
>
>
> On 8/13/2014 1:41 PM, Mike MacLean wrote:
>
>> I didn't even ask. We were both surprised when the service station owner
>> that had given him permission to leave it parked in his parking lot wanted
>> $200 for a storage fee.B  A princely sum in 1971. Heck, the car only cost
>> me $150 with a factory hardtop.
>> Mike
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2014 1:36 PM, Rick Fisk <refisk@chartermi.net> wrote:
>>
>>> What the heck was he doing in Needles if he was going to Twentynine
>>> Palms from Hermosa Beach?B  That's some serious getting lost!B  :-)B
>>>
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Due to the additional clearance between the bearing and the crank, the oil
gets out at a faster rate.
Brian


On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Kirk Hargreaves <khargreaves2@gmail.com>
wrote:

> This prompts a question . . something that I have never understood about
> oil pressure.  When an engine is worn the pressure goes down . . correct?
>
> I have heard that this is tied, at least in part, to worn bearings.  If so,
> I cannot picture how worn bearings would reduce oil pressure?
>
> If anyone can help me to understand this it is certainly appreciated.
>
> (Explaining it and my understanding of the explanation may be two different
> things)!
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Kirk
> 59 1275
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Mike Rambour <lists@dinospider.com>
> wrote:
>
> >  Maybe he was sightseeing, Needles was a awesome place back in the late
> > 60's and early 70's.  Then I moved out of Needles and it went downhill :)
> >  :)
> >
> >     mike
> >
> >
> > On 8/13/2014 1:41 PM, Mike MacLean wrote:
> >
> >> I didn't even ask. We were both surprised when the service station owner
> >> that had given him permission to leave it parked in his parking lot
> wanted
> >> $200 for a storage fee.B  A princely sum in 1971. Heck, the car only
> cost
> >> me $150 with a factory hardtop.
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> On Aug 13, 2014 1:36 PM, Rick Fisk <refisk@chartermi.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What the heck was he doing in Needles if he was going to Twentynine
> >>> Palms from Hermosa Beach?B  That's some serious getting lost!B  :-)B
> >>>
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....and the oil pump builds pressure by trying to force the oil
through/between tight spaces.  When those spaces aren't as tight, due to
wear, the pressure is reduced, because there is less resistance to the oil
moving between  bearings and journals.

Bud

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 5:33 PM
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Due to the additional clearance between the bearing and the crank, the oil
gets out at a faster rate.
Brian


On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Kirk Hargreaves <khargreaves2@gmail.com>
wrote:

> This prompts a question . . something that I have never understood 
> about oil pressure.  When an engine is worn the pressure goes down . .
correct?
>
> I have heard that this is tied, at least in part, to worn bearings.  
> If so, I cannot picture how worn bearings would reduce oil pressure?
>
> If anyone can help me to understand this it is certainly appreciated.
>
> (Explaining it and my understanding of the explanation may be two 
> different things)!
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Kirk
> 59 1275
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Mike Rambour <lists@dinospider.com>
> wrote:
>
> >  Maybe he was sightseeing, Needles was a awesome place back in the 
> > late 60's and early 70's.  Then I moved out of Needles and it went 
> > downhill :)
> >  :)
> >
> >     mike
> >
> >
> > On 8/13/2014 1:41 PM, Mike MacLean wrote:
> >
> >> I didn't even ask. We were both surprised when the service station 
> >> owner that had given him permission to leave it parked in his 
> >> parking lot
> wanted
> >> $200 for a storage fee.B  A princely sum in 1971. Heck, the car 
> >> only
> cost
> >> me $150 with a factory hardtop.
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> On Aug 13, 2014 1:36 PM, Rick Fisk <refisk@chartermi.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What the heck was he doing in Needles if he was going to 
> >>> Twentynine Palms from Hermosa Beach?B  That's some serious getting 
> >>> lost!B  :-)B
> >>>
> >> ------------------------
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Decreased discharge volume, due to excessive "lift", is not usually much of
a problem with a positive displacement pump (which a gear pump is).
However, with a little bit of wear, it can become an issue.  Centrifugal
pumps, on the other hand (an example would be our car's water pumps), loose
volume fast, when the lift distance is increased beyond a certain point.
Bud

-----Original Message-----
From: Spridgets [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Michael MacLean
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 3:39 PM
To: Spridget list
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Oil Pressure vs Quantity

Bud's reply makes sense and maybe if I had replaced the pump this "symptom"
would have gone away.  The pressure was rock steady through any kind of
driving, so I think the pickup was in the right spot.  At the time I knew
nothing of cars.  I just used the low pressure as an indicator and never had
to remove the dipstick.  It ran fine until I lent it to a friend that wanted
to visit his girlfriend in the Marines in Twenty Nine Palms.  He had to
drive from Hermosa Beach and I told him to just watch the oil pressure gauge
and stop when the pressure got down to forty.  I even supplied the oil.  I
guess he was only thinking of one thing while driving out there.  He got as
far as Needles, California and the engine seized.  He had to buy me a used
engine from the junk yard to replace the one he killed.  Yes, there were
Bugeyes in junkyards back then.  After that I had to use the dipstick like
everyone else.Mike
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Thanks all . .  that did it . . got it through my thick skull (for the
first time).

Thanks so much for the education . . much appreciated.

Kirk
59 1275 keeping oil pressure after ten years on an engine rebuild, daily
driving.


On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bud Osbourne <abcoz@hky.com> wrote:

> Decreased discharge volume, due to excessive "lift", is not usually much of
> a problem with a positive displacement pump (which a gear pump is).
> However, with a little bit of wear, it can become an issue.  Centrifugal
> pumps, on the other hand (an example would be our car's water pumps), loose
> volume fast, when the lift distance is increased beyond a certain point.
> Bud
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Spridgets [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> Michael MacLean
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 3:39 PM
> To: Spridget list
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Oil Pressure vs Quantity
>
> Bud's reply makes sense and maybe if I had replaced the pump this "symptom"
> would have gone away.  The pressure was rock steady through any kind of
> driving, so I think the pickup was in the right spot.  At the time I knew
> nothing of cars.  I just used the low pressure as an indicator and never
> had
> to remove the dipstick.  It ran fine until I lent it to a friend that
> wanted
> to visit his girlfriend in the Marines in Twenty Nine Palms.  He had to
> drive from Hermosa Beach and I told him to just watch the oil pressure
> gauge
> and stop when the pressure got down to forty.  I even supplied the oil.  I
> guess he was only thinking of one thing while driving out there.  He got as
> far as Needles, California and the engine seized.  He had to buy me a used
> engine from the junk yard to replace the one he killed.  Yes, there were
> Bugeyes in junkyards back then.  After that I had to use the dipstick like
> everyone else.Mike
> ------------------------
> ------------------------
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It was the water hose illustration that allowed me to understand the
principle.
And I have built a few engines (small blocks) over the years.  I should
have been able to understand this.

Thanks again,

Kirk


On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Kirk Hargreaves <khargreaves2@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks all . .  that did it . . got it through my thick skull (for the
> first time).
>
> Thanks so much for the education . . much appreciated.
>
> Kirk
> 59 1275 keeping oil pressure after ten years on an engine rebuild, daily
> driving.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bud Osbourne <abcoz@hky.com> wrote:
>
>> Decreased discharge volume, due to excessive "lift", is not usually much
>> of
>> a problem with a positive displacement pump (which a gear pump is).
>> However, with a little bit of wear, it can become an issue.  Centrifugal
>> pumps, on the other hand (an example would be our car's water pumps),
>> loose
>> volume fast, when the lift distance is increased beyond a certain point.
>> Bud
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Spridgets [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
>> Michael MacLean
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 3:39 PM
>> To: Spridget list
>> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Oil Pressure vs Quantity
>>
>> Bud's reply makes sense and maybe if I had replaced the pump this
>> "symptom"
>> would have gone away.  The pressure was rock steady through any kind of
>> driving, so I think the pickup was in the right spot.  At the time I knew
>> nothing of cars.  I just used the low pressure as an indicator and never
>> had
>> to remove the dipstick.  It ran fine until I lent it to a friend that
>> wanted
>> to visit his girlfriend in the Marines in Twenty Nine Palms.  He had to
>> drive from Hermosa Beach and I told him to just watch the oil pressure
>> gauge
>> and stop when the pressure got down to forty.  I even supplied the oil.  I
>> guess he was only thinking of one thing while driving out there.  He got
>> as
>> far as Needles, California and the engine seized.  He had to buy me a used
>> engine from the junk yard to replace the one he killed.  Yes, there were
>> Bugeyes in junkyards back then.  After that I had to use the dipstick like
>> everyone else.Mike
>> ------------------------
>> ------------------------
>>
>> spridgets@autox.team.net
>>
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From: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
To: Kirk Hargreaves <khargreaves2@gmail.com>, Bud Osbourne
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The rocker shaft is another source of loss of oil pressure due to wear.
Mike
MacLean



On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 3:40 PM, Kirk Hargreaves
<khargreaves2@gmail.com> wrote:
 

>
>
>It was the water hose illustration
that allowed me to understand the principle.   
>And I have built a few
engines (small blocks) over the years.  I should have been able to understand
this.  
>
>
>
>Thanks again, 
>
>
>Kirk 
>
>
>
>On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:37
PM, Kirk Hargreaves <khargreaves2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks all . .  that
did it . . got it through my thick skull (for the first time). 
>>
>>
>>Thanks
so much for the education . . much appreciated. 
>>
>>
>>Kirk 
>>59 1275
keeping oil pressure after ten years on an engine rebuild, daily driving.  
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bud Osbourne <abcoz@hky.com> wrote:
>>
>>Decreased discharge volume, due to excessive "lift", is not usually much
of
>>>a problem with a positive displacement pump (which a gear pump is).
>>>However, with a little bit of wear, it can become an issue.  Centrifugal
>>>pumps, on the other hand (an example would be our car's water pumps), loose
>>>volume fast, when the lift distance is increased beyond a certain point.
>>>
>>>Bud
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Spridgets
[mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
>>>
>>>Michael MacLean
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 3:39 PM
>>>To: Spridget list
>>>Subject:
Re: [Spridgets] Oil Pressure vs Quantity
>>>
>>>
>>>Bud's reply makes sense
and maybe if I had replaced the pump this "symptom"
>>>would have gone away.
 The pressure was rock steady through any kind of
>>>driving, so I think the
pickup was in the right spot.  At the time I knew
>>>nothing of cars.  I just
used the low pressure as an indicator and never had
>>>to remove the dipstick.
 It ran fine until I lent it to a friend that wanted
>>>to visit his
girlfriend in the Marines in Twenty Nine Palms.  He had to
>>>drive from
Hermosa Beach and I told him to just watch the oil pressure gauge
>>>and stop
when the pressure got down to forty.  I even supplied the oil.  I
>>>guess he
was only thinking of one thing while driving out there.  He got as
>>>far as
Needles, California and the engine seized.  He had to buy me a used
>>>engine
from the junk yard to replace the one he killed.  Yes, there were
>>>Bugeyes
in junkyards back then.  After that I had to use the dipstick like
>>>everyone
else.Mike
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Take your thumb off the end of it.
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> On Aug 13, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Michael Rowe <mdrowe@optonline.net> wrote:
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The headquarters of the newly merged Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) (FIA.MI
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moved to London, Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne clarified on Thursday,
cementing a politically sensitive shift away from Italy, Fiat's home for the
past 115 years.

 

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> The headquarters of the newly merged Fiat Chrysler Automobiles will be
> moved to London,

Whoa!  That'd be like GM moving to China. The Queen must be happy; the 
Italians, not so much.  Someone must have sold someone on all the 
Formula 1 and other automotive technology (carbon fiber, suspension, 
electronics, etc.) available in the UK, or they caught the Top Gear 
segment on it.

http://www.smmt.co.uk/2013/08/bbc-top-gear-celebrates-the-uk-automotive-industry/

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Does that mean we have to let PT Cruisers into British Car day?


CA) (FIA.MI 
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moved to London, Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne clarified on 
Thursday, cementing a politically sensitive shift away from Italy, 
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Martyn Ridley wrote:
>> 
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/08/us-fiatchrysler-ceo-idUSBREA4711H20140508
>Does that mean we have to let PT Cruisers into British Car day?

Isn't the PT Cruiser just an update of the Morris Minor Traveller?

http://carspics-db.com/data_images/gallery/01/morris-traveller/morris-traveller-01.jpg

http://media.caranddriver.com/images/media/199333/2008-chrysler-pt-cruiser-photo-199467-s-1280x782.jpg

:)

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 11:53:51 -0700
From: Kirk Hargreaves <khargreaves2@gmail.com>
To: Kent McLean <kentmclean@comcast.net>
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My wife likes them . . second one . . both say Made in Toluca Mexico.

(PT Cruiser)




On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Kent McLean <kentmclean@comcast.net>
wrote:

> Martyn Ridley wrote:
>
>>
>>>  http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/08/us-fiatchrysler-ceo-
> idUSBREA4711H20140508
>
>  Does that mean we have to let PT Cruisers into British Car day?
>>
>
> Isn't the PT Cruiser just an update of the Morris Minor Traveller?
>
> http://carspics-db.com/data_images/gallery/01/morris-
> traveller/morris-traveller-01.jpg
>
> http://media.caranddriver.com/images/media/199333/2008-
> chrysler-pt-cruiser-photo-199467-s-1280x782.jpg
>
> :)
>
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Howdy folks,

I've been asked to give all you gearheads a heads up that there is a 
1969 Sprite Mk IV for sale.  I am out of room or I would snatch this 
up!  Hopefully we can find it a good home and someone else can enjoy 
it.  Unfortunately, the list doesn't allow attachments or photos. If you 
want photos contact the seller.  It's a pretty LBC!.

Here's the info:

The following from John Seaman:

One of my friends here in Sheboygan has had a 69 Sprite for a few years, 
and has lost interest in fixing it up.  I am familiar with it, and it 
needs a new clutch, as the pressure plate springs are not strong enough 
to depress the clutch, so it will need an engine pull to take care of 
that.  We rebuilt the clutch master and slave cylinder, but to no 
avail.  If I had a place to store it and work on it, I would take it on, 
but now is not the right time for me.  Do you know anyone who would like 
to take on the project?  I think the price is fair.  See attached.  
There are not too many good square body Sprites around anymore.

 From the seller:

1969 Austin Healey Sprite MKIV

Body is pretty good shape, 1275 cc engine runs good, but needs 
clutch.90,000 miles, rebuilt master cylinder, new fuel tank.

$3,000.

Contact:     Keary Kautzer -- Sheboygan WI.kearykautzer@gmail.com 

4 pictures were attached.


Someone is going to have fun with this car!

Dave W.
59 :{)
59 MGA
Burlington WI
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Were any of you driving around Manhattan today in a yellow Sprite Mk2? 
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...with some dude playing a vintage stringed instrument?

Nope wasn't me.

How you been?

Herb


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When: Sept. 4 thu 7th
MG Focus Event Honoring 60th Anniversary of the Collier Cup

I will be there with Midget # 55.
Stop by and visit.

Ralph Giro
73 Midget 
Gainesville, Fl
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For the younger members:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportscar_Vintage_Racing_Association

======================================================================
-----Original Message-----
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When: Sept. 4 thu 7th
MG Focus Event Honoring 60th Anniversary of the Collier Cup

I will be there with Midget # 55.
Stop by and visit.

Ralph Giro
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Gainesville, Fl
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TURP surgery a few years ago . .


On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 8:21 PM, <daredelvis@gmail.com> wrote:

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Lots of changes in my life lately and I haven't been on the list much for a
while. Most of you who know me already know I've left New York and moved back
home to Middle Tennessee. It's been a long and busy few months, but it seems
to be all coming together now. 

Among those changes is the fact that I am now
Spridgetless. Yep. Sold the little white car that I bought from Frank (and
that introduced me to this crazy crowd) to a friend on Long Island. Last I saw
it, it was sitting in front of his shop there in Bellmore. He bought it for
his girlfriend, so I hope it has a wonderful long life there.

I did, as
Jim pointed out, go over to the dark side though... Bought a 74 1/2 BGT.
Couldn't help it. I've always loved those cars, and I stumbled across this one
quite by accident. It's quite a good-looking example in my eyes, and the price
was such that I really couldn't say no. So anyway - I have no intentions of
quitting the group (as long as you'll have me). Will just no longer be asking
for Spridget help. If anybody ends up doing an OSHIT in Nashville or
thereabouts, please let me know!

P.S. - We have a member here in the
Nashville area somewhere. The two of us spoke a couple of years back, but
never got around to actually getting together. (until now, my time in
Nashville has been very limited) Unfortunately, I can't remember exactly who
it is... If you're still on the list, let me know and let's get together
sometime before too long. 

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Hi Bob,

It's working, but apparently everyone went away for the weekend to a place
with no internet.  :-)

Sent from my keyboard

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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 00:18:46 -0400
From: Brian Morse <owensdad74@gmail.com>
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Does such a place exist in the wild today?  I wouldn't mind visiting...

;-)

3wheel

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> Hi Bob,
>
> It's working, but apparently everyone went away for the weekend to a place
> with no internet.  :-)
>
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> > On Aug 31, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Bob Spruck <raspruck@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
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There are certainly many times I wish I were many miles from a network connection.

The lists were down for several hours Saturday. Those of you on the shop-talk list probably
saw my post about the UPS situation.  Basically we had a short power outage, the UPS only gave
me about 35 seconds to do anything - not enough time for a clean shutdown. When the server came
back up it didn't bring everything back on line as expected. Fun.  So I will be shopping for a
new UPS in the next few days.

mjb.
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