From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 05:11:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA9E2584F0E for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 05:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6436A2584C3D for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 05:10:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [67.170.134.133] (helo=spider) by smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1XOPYJ-0002oB-5I for spridgets@autox.team.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 07:13:39 -0400 From: To: References: <54035F70.4090506@gmail.com> <385D9199-82F1-4DFC-B4F6-FABCAE328E20@chartermi.net> <540408A6.2070903@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 04:13:31 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/FqF/UjKpehl9hQiyJvin7kmJN1QALRJag Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net I have used www.apc.com and have found no faults in ~20 years. Donation has been made to your fund. Bill in Oregon ======================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Spridgets [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 10:48 PM To: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Test There are certainly many times I wish I were many miles from a network connection. The lists were down for several hours Saturday. Those of you on the shop-talk list probably saw my post about the UPS situation. Basically we had a short power outage, the UPS only gave me about 35 seconds to do anything - not enough time for a clean shutdown. When the server came back up it didn't bring everything back on line as expected. Fun. So I will be shopping for a new UPS in the next few days. mjb. ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/corvallis@peoplepc.com ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 05:52:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912FB2584F18 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 05:52:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f178.google.com (mail-ob0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1192580991 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 05:52:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f178.google.com with SMTP id uy5so3744263obc.37 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 04:55:00 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=DRe3xT8MV9sCJHGb8DI6NRsa5fEg8EmEJ3HzvYlpIQQ=; b=wka/Zs3qnJoNNphZ5NFDsvUlZLxJIxpPTJ8xuny9MwBBRDZKc6IWMKX0r43tJD+44R COn5ouaWGH29ge+TlxupORlC6Z2yS3lMhF5OHQYur0Ansq6C269MOYYmO7niLOLENTf6 MToQsC8worPoBUD7Do9Dii/HjwhThOH1KMejftS1CCZv/ZAyS4qFAJ4LwtpWCoZ+yfCt RhYgmjmz4MVUHcP9SrEDbYepDeJown0kCuJOmYrTJUNtcMeFMe2ITAhTb6EQ1JerFRuo dgZ+t9YaHY/4SNnls9incEBkpZRRxTJL4fqNxdYTqVc214WYTh808PSCX6n7PRq3L0qz yHpw== dt10mr1684446obc.69.1409572500794; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 04:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.177.84 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 04:55:00 -0700 (PDT) References: <54035F70.4090506@gmail.com> <385D9199-82F1-4DFC-B4F6-FABCAE328E20@chartermi.net> <540408A6.2070903@bradakis.com> <478741717D0943E7A70E790D029CC4BA@spider> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 07:55:00 -0400 From: Brian Morse To: "corvallis@peoplepc.com" Cc: "spridgets@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Another recommendation for a ups- Oneac makes very good quality units as well. On Monday, September 1, 2014, wrote: > I have used www.apc.com and have found no faults in ~20 years. > Donation has been made to your fund. Bill in Oregon > ======================================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: Spridgets [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net ] > On Behalf Of Mark > J Bradakis > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 10:48 PM > To: Spridgets > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Test > > There are certainly many times I wish I were many miles from a network > connection. > > The lists were down for several hours Saturday. Those of you on the > shop-talk list probably > saw my post about the UPS situation. Basically we had a short power > outage, > the UPS only gave > me about 35 seconds to do anything - not enough time for a clean shutdown. > When the server came > back up it didn't bring everything back on line as expected. Fun. So I > will > be shopping for a > new UPS in the next few days. > > mjb. > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/corvallis@peoplepc.com > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/owensdad74@gmail.com ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 12:16:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB3E2584747 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 12:16:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f174.google.com (mail-pd0-f174.google.com [209.85.192.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9432584561 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 12:15:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f174.google.com with SMTP id ft15so9094736pdb.5 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:18:42 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zVvGrJe1oUFkVQvx7phiITXZfIBj5V551CIJjOChJSU=; b=GL/XLoaLaxNJIuWDpUkckakUwNTXxiRtuPGQPieARoI2b+1OT1517cA/QgeyGNZp0B pa14OZ6JljwvTR/aD7BrZSAM0uc/K/A+lvp2WQCPrw6bUnEOWlzD5nqzyci3rZC7UAdA 6fA6OufQxIPrL0wa452naV4VWmZJjDRHhgB532K+4/QV/OM16CnBhGJ8J4OKCGntkAbI hI9XJPcQNYjtvKbSG0anrGyFoFzB4IMb4Dsplolo9mX0nSog13T8Z5eeIe6s+rpMSabg cpkIGUuRApOtEF6ocr8Jeg6RyVHBmR4GniK7VNs34R657dKnV3iD3Ht9SbZa47jWLx7q 4JJw== kw9mr5566041pab.156.1409681921791; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.94.3 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 11:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 14:18:41 -0400 From: Trevor Jessie To: Spridgets Subject: [Spridgets] Two bits of friendly advice Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net 1. I'm working on patching some sills in an old beater spridget. The only reason they rusted through is because they were backed with dirt that was holding moisture against the metal. So... rinse out the sills and blow them out with an airhose as part of your yearly maintenance. 2. Before putting on your ear protection, be sure no spiders are living inside the ear cup. That is all =Trevor ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 12:24:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC422585191 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 12:24:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36AC25845FF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 12:24:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mC7U1o0051c6gX85DJTCE1; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:27:12 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-349v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.49.128]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mJTB1o00Y2lx5xu3jJTBVF; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:27:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 18:27:11 +0000 (UTC) From: ryan.kubanoff@comcast.net To: spridgets References: (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: Two bits of friendly advice Thread-Index: 3NKqn0pMJqDw7gvVtUngkGz2pXNu2g== s=q20140121; t=1409682432; bh=kld5ZYBcPOPqVBrJ1Pz8VbQ9FLSbG1riJzonD7h7hw8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=twtui8Si4niojQh1paTS80BO2SQc0dMCM3HWxDwxxdXRNitO2SKXNlTybFHKseBjM 8dB3RbTAzRUO4lnmuBnd2c1Ef+hz8hfEWuaZoQfB7g+3zekA6ScBhhEunsHKM05BTp brvqVRXTJQYtyskmbtIaQZAEVzsRv/VU6UULD+K6/gJrLX+W1nTxkgcvKLar6nInt2 neHerVSuaiDRkkL0FX3Bs7gzc4QLR/fVEqzQvNlX/GYUeOceQjGGx6ynJGOO3IgaSR zEB3W+w+IkuQ3BvsfFl6RjYKxS+fJ48hMygTEnT5wVe7TgqNtpsTrdmLBi0hMG/rU5 jxqYmzO2So8tg== Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Two bits of friendly advice Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the tip and the nightmares.... Ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Jessie" To: "spridgets" Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 2:18:41 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Two bits of friendly advice 1. I'm working on patching some sills in an old beater spridget. The only reason they rusted through is because they were backed with dirt that was holding moisture against the metal. So... rinse out the sills and blow them out with an airhose as part of your yearly maintenance. 2. Before putting on your ear protection, be sure no spiders are living inside the ear cup. That is all =Trevor ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 14:18:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4254E2585163 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 14:18:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22A625804C2 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 14:18:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20140902202112.LZVD6769.mta31.charter.net@imp09>; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 16:21:12 -0400 Received: from mtaout003.msg.strl.va.charter.net ([68.114.190.28]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id mLMC1o00F0dCcRg05LMCod; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 16:21:12 -0400 Received: from impout002 ([68.114.189.17]) by mtaout003.msg.strl.va.charter.net (InterMail vM.9.00.010.00 201-2473-137) with ESMTP id <20140902202112.GUJF3191.mtaout003.msg.strl.va.charter.net@impout002>; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 15:21:12 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.148] ([71.10.17.119]) by impout002 with charter.net id mLMC1o0042a8AQ701LMCQy; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:21:12 -0500 a=9DBWqpk8duxUv73Sj1gU9A==:117 a=9DBWqpk8duxUv73Sj1gU9A==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=VSuQH4yJ7CYA:10 a=g-ilsDuhxpEA:10 a=7Vtkk4Wg9cEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=4ycV2vTZAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=CVt0d5em1FfDareYJEYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=OpnbjhRAqwMA:10 References: From: Rick Fisk Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 16:21:12 -0400 To: Trevor Jessie Cc: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Two bits of friendly advice Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net What did the spider say? Sent from my keyboard > On Sep 2, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Trevor Jessie wrote: > > 1. I'm working on patching some sills in an old beater spridget. The only > reason they rusted through is because they were backed with dirt that was > holding moisture against the metal. So... rinse out the sills and blow > them out with an airhose as part of your yearly maintenance. > > 2. Before putting on your ear protection, be sure no spiders are living > inside the ear cup. > > That is all > > =Trevor > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/refisk@chartermi.net ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 15:54:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB74F25848E7 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 15:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF182584828 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 15:53:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id uz6so5446193obc.24 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:56:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=BYkYSQFDQmkfUOIXBdhnG5rgAJUhT3GZmO3Z6UdnCSg=; b=JDxtg7mrgMF2bn7H+TEvFBsMnuN6wsW0IkpeRXNOaTYMdGIQ9F0yPT7920UjItMvwV 6Ke9oafl1szOaXGrEyxodMi3iu4GLQ6fLQf10jt2Ys3D2XMWhFi5ugZWIyC6VV4YOJut Pu5m6AmlxB4WHeLJHcIbMAg2Ln7iU6/0cPDmz4iHMqfGEqptyMr2VDHSkRBEFCdz3Dm/ F8vA4aTEmaSp4z17NttAcmURh8kT+arXPrkuPLubH8wTv4jrlYxKL96ZEoEL7WeE1q46 1rscMd9NVH5GFLT7UuNc5tlduEsbBgOevDTMDWnruuHbl5Pksj18G0WU31VH/5t47pZD o0Dg== o17mr4706113obe.59.1409695000301; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.177.84 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 14:56:40 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 17:56:40 -0400 From: Brian Morse To: Trevor Jessie Cc: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Two bits of friendly advice Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Boy am I glad I use ear plugs! My reaction would have been, well, less than masculine... 3wheel in A2 On Tuesday, September 2, 2014, Trevor Jessie wrote: > 1. I'm working on patching some sills in an old beater spridget. The only > reason they rusted through is because they were backed with dirt that was > holding moisture against the metal. So... rinse out the sills and blow > them out with an airhose as part of your yearly maintenance. > > 2. Before putting on your ear protection, be sure no spiders are living > inside the ear cup. > > That is all > > =Trevor > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/owensdad74@gmail.com ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 16:57:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A873A25846F6 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 16:57:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail28c40.carrierzone.com (mail92c40.carrierzone.com [209.235.156.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295A12584B9E for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 16:53:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-174-49-34-41.hsd1.tn.comcast.net [174.49.34.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail28c40.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id s84MuIVI007035 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 22:56:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 17:56:09 -0500 From: Mark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.0 To: spridgets reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [Spridgets] Vancouver BC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Do we have any spridget folks that live in Vancouver? I have a stupid problem there that I can't seem to get resolved. Mark Nashville ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 13:37:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12D92580995 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 13:37:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BE125807AC for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 13:28:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nvRz1o00217dt5G54vX8JY; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 19:31:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.12] ([75.65.249.164]) by omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nvX71o00D3ZZswj3ZvX7Wu; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 19:31:08 +0000 From: Lester Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 14:31:06 -0500 To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com, Spridgets list s=q20140121; t=1410031868; bh=OTnjYbnv8/rfEelzbzgA8+vpVaaiIXAM6sRLqL4bwDM=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To: Mime-Version; b=Mqp6KpAdqX+jl5JdrUCp2t0Vf6yGCoBSLIQaenYA6D6trBQgRlTrqsxBKF2XvdbyU 8FPWRYK+ZwjH6obFVKD2Xs3ux4nmbBY7yVlqjFca2Wlf9hKnrBxGY1ANHNOIqQ3nDG OXhALYlXhEKTDIhMq2x9bdJtKHgusiETwRHLkbGjEie5Klae8f3978EO3O3nAwY+PW YUWJvAmH4mIc4kRvQ3maVtoZysDrDgkqjPdDDrhGGMEd+P1HBrTI9PpKrWt25PiTzW aneSW/KSq557K7fIdTwwMFX2bz+W+U/z4+rNQoDRAv+Q+nSuJaY09h+PVG0brgkxhl DT57LlUzbOwqg== Subject: [Spridgets] Valve clearance question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Hello all, so I am reassembling the valvetrain and when checking the manuals I only see one valve clearance. Nothing specific for intake and exhaust. In particular, 0.012 for street and 0.015 for "competition work". Jut want to verify before I proceed with every valve clearance set to 0.014 or so. Thanks, Lester ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 14:21:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D4325809EE for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 14:21:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.247]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A616725807AC for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 14:15:53 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1410034719; bh=XO9vi1HRMVMvVH9RxjqQQO6ibExL0UIenOhSy4iEu4g=; b=P2LxxC75Bqg3cm6NklQTQMcbk3v/BJtl6kpz9HeG21GIVieQOvE7+7Ii7RLrJdYiJUICg8QDEvuR0rLiNu16z7JGeBdFN3cNi32UWRzgYQNyte4+FEhOwoIt9X9omK0Pl4ARJh+F982gCt5SgdEIMtgSyhZVdv1n8UVZ82mQCPuuhx+tHv8YipaQAhyo7q8x2tkeZyOsUCud+0NdoPMV/xUdYOMW2K7fi6nvBOHPv04Zp6R7KvkaQ9xgEsInbkdIOkcggAvCahU64ivLGzLN0T2LUUAFYRYV+zZRQ2Ge3pPJ3VDQS7yIzl6sZUbrsbhVRBpgLMJHlDbJSUkIIA+yHw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=b2t+50yE9yaNujQqYmI8L8uh5tO057ZfPza04vARBL6j/xj9R6YOYppymc00PsrQzndHb98LWKo+G+KB413+/gqCQjmFknu1fsoa3QPoqg24TkM+G3yTSyfyJ939Tvr5fRYYLMwP4GbrN4VmuUxG1iUJr++3eO7NmIiAlIxN8dxwItieQQEZFkun7w65It2pfhkHG5VTuBznvpV4nS2AD+iP8PVhDz92KpPl5wH/MjtwK0tXPZUcYw0bkPC7agZUYmPD/1AMpAkX5q/c5T4IAF26OmrDCYqD/xoZAiIrL926p0C9mrz9v7e/zWSzwcLr8F4Yojoai8mBkdXdPmSnsg==; Received: from [98.138.100.103] by nm25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2014 20:18:39 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.113] by tm102.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2014 20:18:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp222.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2014 20:18:39 -0000 s=s1024; t=1410034719; bh=XO9vi1HRMVMvVH9RxjqQQO6ibExL0UIenOhSy4iEu4g=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=PnxAeEQUh4juNmgysf9Gk3l88vt3WA7dy9uUL1FlXyupL5eGJYqPe3QWnU/ckCFPkASlUw2mAgqdSsWI7Uu+SBSF43s1Hgl+bD3d7wVZB6HzZ7ruN3QLNDzfYsEfi1GTVfAUdjC9H1diUNvFwAHbUjGH0E+iLm85RcS9VCdtmzE= GiDll82o.PYwtkgsXBO5Mo4ZdN52ASR68EtVB93WhTXMUGzzO7KIeWHtXAAC NH7NH_H.woZOHRMhC0Xz0Chm1kpEbFY79WC6yOVfkPiXyLN0kmggrWy_RF22 BJZxvdb.KIPTaYQSiBZAPhUIFccqMCzrRDvFO01LA36Wk7jtd7w4dYNFESgk EqrD1g14UA0OaXQ6k0KrPDhKtv1SpQMBS7lE93yG78qx3SqCOnCZY_jLzNAi ttMHkqOu4Fe3ye7jns4XwacVvfBSWnu9HuMrXIl_zbjiu8a4GWfWLD2CYwTP J2LkThvznrLq5.FDk4PqLkb93Ib8HkGtLEeuImsOdzo6IT3j9Np8Lh5PVzzC 5ahGcSR6MkR1VjPkqCW8kKdkV6zbwtwUzgvjVOH2ih2nKgyJcaP7.iRUk_Gy kAqPq7gOLJtSsEbKDvjOB_CMhShJVWtIWeCXcpD3_SbuSon_3NjFO9qqUnvi d5nh0ns1JeRiWVMioslLaO5Wi70VJ7r.QdmYLO2o_U7smoZaZQTRJOAq39o7 rFRTqY59A86_W1BWnMi6e6DcOk7M- References: From: Ron Soave Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 15:18:15 -0500 To: Lester Cc: Spridgets list , "bugeye@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Valve clearance question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Lester, It will be cam specific. Do you have any info on the cam? Ron Soave > On Sep 6, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Lester wrote: > > Hello all, > > so I am reassembling the valvetrain and when checking the manuals I only see > one valve clearance. Nothing specific for intake and exhaust. In particular, > 0.012 for street and 0.015 for "competition work". Jut want to verify before > I proceed with every valve clearance set to 0.014 or so. > > Thanks, > > Lester > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/soavero@yahoo.com ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 14:52:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18502584AC6 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 14:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE992580861 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 14:48:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nwln1o0051wpRvQ59wrKnQ; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 20:51:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.12] ([75.65.249.164]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nwrJ1o00D3ZZswj3ewrJsV; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 20:51:19 +0000 From: Lester Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 15:51:18 -0500 References: <137724C3-EE45-4CE9-A039-CF5FAE642C83@yahoo.com> To: Ron Soave s=q20140121; t=1410036679; bh=PoYflAUW7cHyKw9J5HcxO2LvoF30WNJJnExjWu66Tko=; h=Received:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=L/lClsqRGwTPm7Fat7UmXjFXy5Lp2CPoo2cWRkh4Np3UGc2Mv8jpwUKiFliKFYEBH 1Hu4yyjDFhtTEPrFdoo+5thfjnEf3WZn8CPvh6A2A4S3OURP7WF8hj/QXNh2PYese+ PmWxytLanxP16piPzRYSWoZRg6ukAH89/HJ0xpezKBI1pA+qtmW/+N5PtRKgSLgA+Q ugdSJ6uHczka1YLitrGt9cfcIxAQ2LZpG4ulK09tQOHfl18EllpQcnEPvuJWRhRFHl 8RLqPz8HAgx8rbNtsF2+x27YCh6ws9ttpr1dL55GH3EeMPqJQVb3ylLiW6snCacFK0 AIzXQQkzTQ/qA== Cc: Spridgets list , "bugeye@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Valve clearance question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net I got SQUAT. Lester ..oh.. not true, I have many heat damaged (?) pushtubes.. does that count? ;-) On Sep 6, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Ron Soave wrote: > Lester, > It will be cam specific. Do you have any info on the cam? > > Ron Soave > >> On Sep 6, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Lester wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> so I am reassembling the valvetrain and when checking the manuals I only see >> one valve clearance. Nothing specific for intake and exhaust. In particular, >> 0.012 for street and 0.015 for "competition work". Jut want to verify before >> I proceed with every valve clearance set to 0.014 or so. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Lester >> ------------------------ >> >> spridgets@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation: $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/soavero@yahoo.com ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 14:54:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FC22584DDE for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 14:54:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02A2258088C for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 14:54:37 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1410037044; bh=PvxOgfA1CQ232BW3plVtAgIsoyi1RWj/jmizRVGf3IM=; b=kdSH79kwVF4kmFny8qNyzMwfhn0Fa2hjT5NAeYYs7TY6i51TUMBoZQb97btg7ylluIexTtyCOCOmyMGW2zNRqnlP4xff6Ishu30WUD48FDBJzHEo7tCPvugZ6VKGFKrIW1qifbQOBiIdIUHdUNfWU2YxSGomo4VHIiVLe0Vdr4k3MYmp8+c4/9eHHwpRmRw8ejJ6K48RGFgmqudUEgElhiRDIlqRY4cZOxnHfWwbdZqijl+lLJoGDfRgbkzr/DmcptJ4yDiQ4qNPUm2FIDGyg/Sb88TD5rMTbjmQv/M30KcZsk1FGN5Y1imiB1fFLbEdxtX1n1TwLbKzHH07b6FGgg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=IOKxN64dQtYchdL87e9BCefeP4uVtU1KRt8V43niSTwrH8RtAG0ub9r59rEReHfBtwuaA8ENLXaMl5ECnRPISOfRFCYnTsJ6tBS9c9whY+vrVHkBgZu1F8CFnnyoe4XD5MCkQc/uyEQq69YYJPlOF2gMzC3EjNitN7HDah5Hh0bYlz62VOY5dbRQ7Hhqojtb8SBMvN+PNuYg1a5LThjOFwhKl58vJiFATipZ918vd8TYLzqoI3fgou9PJ2jScToGtxOWbYV+sY8o1Hm4L3oUhkZtMM0Un6Jra/WhE/9bEiXT0ZDy8VZbMaCNBXuZt98XksX6G52DVn3+qdl7PQi1qQ==; Received: from [98.138.100.111] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2014 20:57:24 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.38] by tm100.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2014 20:57:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2014 20:57:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1410037043; bh=PvxOgfA1CQ232BW3plVtAgIsoyi1RWj/jmizRVGf3IM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=QuReH9yi9JvRjsm0ShupuxDJuu0UG2bcMRg9x7ay8XEecSaGcH6I8kRxHae3QQrZvrgcf6s90LTF+V8Ejai1U1XYBIe/+0E4j0gEuD1Z2t9YiPh/VfWWn3OmvMOynmJDEbLzlZxRAvDLlk9YpKxUMPMDs8T3Z841WJEjW4/7i0s= n30JLj0A5Hw4CgVAwSB04O8JkqGmQ1ckeBoDmRbnYfFILrz32oxO6D23gKwV PRtqNA9m85mxtwdyupwpHpAPoG_qibEPKd3dRV.zq9ZejVl3VdokZOuEqWrV QW8lQTGfiuYj3tPlhX013Nkyx8nWsehiDLzHkbdrNbiBZg6VktCwGFuD5PT3 fuwcHRDhpvrrFOAg9LQJ2tVXUOu.2YyCUqrEBKXOKPm7LRoE91ID4IDWYEzy L4lh0067KtaNJ4Rrqi8IDx_t56ghRUm0BDV1gNVeRuqOiZohbPpPbGe5CG9l fQo8Q.bZUzYIAWELR6_7xFvTaTBrsh9GBaXdJwGuEzGH7RuI2VjmWw5CuNVM KPdKx_KZ0AJWhdFVpSB.bhLhWtxXYv40rBhx.Tz8ekkrtxjH6VNl7xQpXYQG GxpW5MVUL8OtDpMTRTUtP5R9mS6H_ULLyhORGdJ10TOrtbVz_C8Szbj6arod PrCbAFI_kAauninPuePkQb00Q_uVEa7_qpi6NtWf60KexSrdi.qZeW0TQeFl nhyKG97c5NGMoftzax8wYNquv References: <137724C3-EE45-4CE9-A039-CF5FAE642C83@yahoo.com> <5FDC4F60-BED2-4416-8299-0BADB776EA64@comcast.net> From: Ron Soave Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 15:57:20 -0500 To: Lester Cc: Spridgets list , "bugeye@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Valve clearance question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Or they bent 'cause the clearances were too tight. Ugh. Ron Soave > On Sep 6, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Lester wrote: > > I got SQUAT. > > Lester > > ..oh.. not true, I have many heat damaged (?) pushtubes.. does that count? ;-) > > >> On Sep 6, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Ron Soave wrote: >> >> Lester, >> It will be cam specific. Do you have any info on the cam? >> >> Ron Soave >> >>> On Sep 6, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Lester wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> so I am reassembling the valvetrain and when checking the manuals I only see >>> one valve clearance. Nothing specific for intake and exhaust. In particular, >>> 0.012 for street and 0.015 for "competition work". Jut want to verify before >>> I proceed with every valve clearance set to 0.014 or so. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Lester >>> ------------------------ >>> >>> spridgets@autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation: $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/soavero@yahoo.com ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 09:37:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D700258472B for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 09:37:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED08325809FA for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 09:37:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id oeob1o0010cQ2SL01fgCcb; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:40:12 +0000 Received: from [10.1.10.22] ([50.130.123.127]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ofgA1o00F2l1rJA8WfgB2h; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:40:11 +0000 From: Ewing Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:40:10 -0500 To: "bugeye@yahoogroups.com" , "spridgets@autox.team.net list" s=q20140121; t=1410190812; bh=NWkvZdmDwkzwJOLa3ztsG73O0989pVlpP55HUxLduhk=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To: Mime-Version; b=LatWoT1AZV9EF2O08fzJfq9/uQj409igBqi5aAsqTFQTS6SzPUhJ5PDOuJtfuvoVZ xs8owG1KFzPQ/T3Ny/rLMMQrODqqCGEd2qE9s5WuX69idu/GRD8Tzs5W6Answ6IH61 jzOZD78XGBbtBnVOj0U9WbDO1RhoX6csYIU5MbQUjQbOC1SlGCF9iRtSaeMfb92CC5 AhD4CyenC+LYzwsMxLjQECecqXMxrffeV1r0wH6a+PqO0XFSx2rxjrgpgTESXSMUO6 PW8x0HGWtNq0N0dqoyTvyPPJ3DNPT6zTPXTmV/WKTUQZQbi2RFPJfiO5vGwSaPc1KK NA2G7/oAADzcA== Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for 1275 dipstick.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net No, not any particular owner, just a real dipstick. Moss doesn't list them and Minimania wants $90. I know I could make one out of some bent coat hanger wire but I thought that I would ask first.. Thanks, Lester ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 17 07:21:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49280258535B for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 07:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9A125807AC for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 07:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.226]) by resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id sDCa1o0044tLnxL01DCpYT; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:12:49 +0000 Received: from [10.1.10.22] ([50.130.123.127]) by resomta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id sDCW1o00A2l1rJA01DCdfS; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:12:49 +0000 From: Ewing Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 08:12:29 -0500 To: "bugeye@yahoogroups.com" , "spridgets@autox.team.net list" s=q20140121; t=1410959569; bh=GPhOTpqtzKQsEq7MHtjJEm/ou5oHWpnqxmO5VT1vX/U=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To: Mime-Version; b=L/P6QLhsifvnRKlDI5tCRdN6uEsJEW+THQFTA/gS72WaulEYFoPymlJy2f2AEmnAy e5jjH/dSYUQDNnPODZEMyzQwNAEqZi0nYjj0IkAGWEUI7UXRvXUwfuHQJ+/5fiKVsv ix+GXWp8JftOh5freoog3UxjhqCQhoaGxQBondDWOVVEfkgLNl6sieWQXvMLJ90zdr vMDyW7zPN1QnnUmjbcqKKX6zEx9+2t4vqMU9miriBL3B8e6ZzeY4SzzjfaVcL0Ldt4 Lz7xf6Oj1ayz9Fc6WPk7tKJi97Y2C/NRX+TnPh9CFUDqIh0eQUbLjJGABMteVIpNO3 xd9omNvN/F+MQ== Subject: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Good Morning all! So, the long saga of getting the go-fast engine running is sorta done. I am back driving the car. WHEEE!!! But Water temp with new radiator cap and antifreeze quickly goes up in 65 F ambient temps to close to the max on the gauge.. But.. The temp gauge is now reading off the head rather than off the radiator. My thought is that taking the temp measurements here will show a higher temp compared to taking it off the radiator but this is where I ask your expertise.. Thanks, Lester ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 17 09:21:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370002584438 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:21:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2673C25806C5 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:16:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20140917151857.KDIV4658.mta11.charter.net@imp09>; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:18:57 -0400 Received: from mtaout003.msg.strl.va.charter.net ([68.114.190.28]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id sFJx1o0070dCcRg05FJxPz; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:18:57 -0400 Received: from impout001 ([68.114.189.16]) by mtaout003.msg.strl.va.charter.net (InterMail vM.9.00.013.00 201-2473-140) with ESMTP id <20140917151857.CJDQ25980.mtaout003.msg.strl.va.charter.net@impout001>; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:18:57 -0500 Received: from [10.72.225.204] ([198.228.233.7]) by impout001 with charter.net id sFJv1o0010AEgG601FJw1M; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:18:57 -0500 a=QOQ4Zw6kvkgiserQZdlMVA==:117 a=QOQ4Zw6kvkgiserQZdlMVA==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=omqV5jOFJm4A:10 a=FItVfnNYZrQA:10 a=7Vtkk4Wg9cEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=4ycV2vTZAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=4gIAjnicr5_Nnk1Qy2QA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=OpnbjhRAqwMA:10 References: From: Rick Fisk Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:18:51 -0400 To: Ewing Cc: "spridgets@autox.team.net list" , "bugeye@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Temp reading in the head shouldn't neccessarily be much higher than the reading in the rad. But it does more accurately indicate coolant temp in the engine. If it's reading high you need to find out why. Check with another gauge if you have one. May be the gauge, may be the radiator. Sent from my keyboard > On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Ewing wrote: > > Good Morning all! > > So, the long saga of getting the go-fast engine running is sorta done. I am > back driving the car. WHEEE!!! > > But > > Water temp with new radiator cap and antifreeze quickly goes up in 65 F > ambient temps to close to the max on the gauge.. > > But.. > > The temp gauge is now reading off the head rather than off the radiator. My > thought is that taking the temp measurements here will show a higher temp > compared to taking it off the radiator but this is where I ask your > expertise.. > > > Thanks, > > Lester > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/refisk@chartermi.net ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 17 20:55:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C5725844C7 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 20:55:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f170.google.com (mail-ig0-f170.google.com [209.85.213.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD3C2580806 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 20:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f170.google.com with SMTP id a13so754601igq.1 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:57:57 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Be1N6mvK14DnMY5nZJaTEEBjZYk2e6QG/aZfVUnTIwA=; b=TIFMH/PPKlipkYnWMxb7N3991OwISjBWquq8jAK3sAbrjDQfxFAkbIyCJUK2Vylx2u 29H0tKUftRExnZIBW3+Y0JhscAf9IN7P+46K+2wmHyJIVACuluBGB/HjCGI13aXy7JLf Vzq6duowya/9oiiI5fkfmgFpTzn8QHBZHQZ1rIxuXQej0gVWB9y/O5FwXkA6jsw1+5/N 0YS+kCKMFJXsa1NGf2rrIyifXPGZd0CtPed3gsPvaq822SlMRuBtX5OuUdhR4iDQNYQW 3SWdBRRVHItISxYBDui2ssif9zTIUh6MBqzgcrJfOOaCDW5JA8rf8EDMMWsyd/BtxFvm UIcQ== kd10mr11044166igb.5.1411009077849; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.81.193 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:57:57 -0700 From: Kirk Hargreaves To: Spridgets Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Re-Installing Trim Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net I'm re-installing the trim around the cockpit on my 59 Sprite (after painting the car). The pieces came off having clips behind approx. 1/4 inch holes. The screw went into the clip behind the hole like a sheet metal screw. The sides and rear have not been a problem, but the front piece has been difficult getting the screws to bite back into the clips that I took out before painting. Any ideas on how this process might be improved? The front trim piece has a very limited space behind it to line up the clip with the small hole in it to grab the screw. I have been trying to hold the clip behind the hole with needle nose pliers and a flashlight shined into the trim piece hole in order to see if it is setting up correctly into the clip before applying the screw. I am wondering if I am attempting to re-install these soround trim pieces incorrectly due to finding them installed this way when I took them off? I am fine with the sides and the back piece, yet I may have not installed these correctly either? Thanks, Kirk ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 18 08:26:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C53F25845BF for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 08:26:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A3622584454 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 08:17:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id x13so970130wgg.33 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:20:00 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+eRxMgsnlVfTux8Jkcbbp2GyDR88U9WkPgWmBt47kiE=; b=cddNXT8UPm0x7TeKJ0etuLBQeESV7jTuUWs63kHAsdnMeTIf+VpT7RUsw/0mHIACsp 1fbsVlBcy25HI1RNoIkbJOURvR7dlhg0ZRW7pG5QdEMmGVKwhDb5+FSVTk9U+9dGZCOY FsGHc+dh/wLhs3EaulMDeaGzq/0damN4sPeW5ZcqzX26NK44t9elu01ORLfm6roqAa9H phaavH4gkjui+0dOopo6qvkoxBzMfGRwGRKGAPYmeahZ10t2n83qqCC2UlwSZiZU+FeF 8xKbIwSMQOH1z6VKFI91oXDCp8alpR4xqq0jRILbb/npxXTd1rw8H5HgtkDJLSU1Mpf+ Hx5Q== em5mr48468831wic.72.1411050000433; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.6.228 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:20:00 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:20:00 -0400 From: HealeyRick To: Kirk Hargreaves Cc: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Re-Installing Trim Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Kirk, I'm not understanding what you mean by "trim". The aluminum cockpit surrounds attach by screws and bolts while the vinyl covered side panels just attach with sheet metal screws. I can't think of any piece that attaches with clips in the way you describe. Can you give a little more detail about the pieces you're trying to attach? On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: > I'm re-installing the trim around the cockpit on my 59 Sprite (after > painting the car). The pieces came off having clips behind approx. 1/4 > inch holes. ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 18 16:26:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1DC25845FF for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:26:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B4B2584508 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:23:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f182.google.com with SMTP id hi2so1057514wib.9 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:26:31 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vMioL1ibwY0EqMnYp71x7Trur3HR7sZZKDNFZWD3TAs=; b=aLmH8hy1pTZuym1V2RWhf9t0LsPPLEUh6QdX/9o6DTzdeVuTSAssB1Ot1+yfv+zxBb SUfJAMVRJd//nAyH92b80v02EcYqBVDfKgCiC7IcxGlhly7ltUbLPF8ARvDSVWsRW040 15m3w/0C9RUsydtdibJbWNrpKMYZUOAOIBt3hYvie28Wa2uRNExTGxi2rBcozI2vm38j v2XPUS/4RUJQu8HBFahMXWa/KlBsekFilNtr6mNMyob9KGN67VWcffLlQRiT7ycvjzyh AlKOG4bitb3hNVX8Jz93edkupJc6KP6Rtmguvf4wSGyLyx6WS9HroSQnPmOI2Cuw25Wn lRvw== ne5mr2085806wic.29.1411079191079; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.219.10 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:26:31 -0500 From: Bruce Hamper To: spridgets@autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget HEAT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net With all this talk about water temperature, I thought I'd share observations with my two Sprites. I'm hoping the collective wisdom can help me resolve these as winter projects. I have two Sprites with very different water temp characteristics. I'd like to know why they are different and what is best; a more efficient radiator (aluminum), a fan or both? First Sprite is a '59 Bugeye with an original 948 engine with a 5-speed Datsun. I've not rebuilt the engine; I cleaned and reinstalled it during restoration since it seemed in good shape. It has good compression. Oil pressure after warm-up is about 40 at speed and about 10 at idle. The '59 does fine in traffic. I can come off the highway, sit and a light and the motor will cool to 185. At speed on a hot day however, it gets hot. I've not tried over 40 miles on the highway. It will warm up from 185 to nearly 205. That's when I get concerned and take back roads. It's not a problem in the cooler spring and fall. Second Sprite is a '69 MkIV with a 1275 bored to 0.020", but otherwise stock. I've been driving it regularly for 8 years. After warm-up, oil pressure is 60 at speed and 40 at idle. On a hot day in the summer, its fine on the highway as long as I'm moving. Get into traffic however and it heats up. On days that are over 90F, temperature can go to 205 if I sit in traffic for over 20 min. Fortunately, this doesn't happen often. Neither car has actually overheated. However, I'd like to install a more efficient cooling in both. Why are they different? What's the fix? Bruce Blue '69 Sprite White '59 Bugeye ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 18 16:41:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD5725856BD for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:41:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth13.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth13.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F672584470 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:36:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [67.170.134.133] (helo=spider) by smtpauth13.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1XUkMi-0000Jh-Kk for spridgets@autox.team.net; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:39:52 -0400 From: To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:39:52 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/TkA1d8Sy9jgSoRauiP+JOt91wqQAAMpgw Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Spridget HEAT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net On the First one; check the condition of the radiator; may need to be rebuilt or replaced. Check that the thermostat is working, or leave it out all together as a test. On the second, an electric radiator fan might be the place to start. This could replace your stock fan (for clearance) and would come on at a pre determined temperature. Bill in Oregon ============================= -----Original Message----- From: Spridgets [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Hamper Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:27 PM To: spridgets@autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget HEAT With all this talk about water temperature, I thought I'd share observations with my two Sprites. I'm hoping the collective wisdom can help me resolve these as winter projects. I have two Sprites with very different water temp characteristics. I'd like to know why they are different and what is best; a more efficient radiator (aluminum), a fan or both? First Sprite is a '59 Bugeye with an original 948 engine with a 5-speed Datsun. I've not rebuilt the engine; I cleaned and reinstalled it during restoration since it seemed in good shape. It has good compression. Oil pressure after warm-up is about 40 at speed and about 10 at idle. The '59 does fine in traffic. I can come off the highway, sit and a light and the motor will cool to 185. At speed on a hot day however, it gets hot. I've not tried over 40 miles on the highway. It will warm up from 185 to nearly 205. That's when I get concerned and take back roads. It's not a problem in the cooler spring and fall. Second Sprite is a '69 MkIV with a 1275 bored to 0.020", but otherwise stock. I've been driving it regularly for 8 years. After warm-up, oil pressure is 60 at speed and 40 at idle. On a hot day in the summer, its fine on the highway as long as I'm moving. Get into traffic however and it heats up. On days that are over 90F, temperature can go to 205 if I sit in traffic for over 20 min. Fortunately, this doesn't happen often. Neither car has actually overheated. However, I'd like to install a more efficient cooling in both. Why are they different? What's the fix? Bruce Blue '69 Sprite White '59 Bugeye ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/corvallis@peoplepc.com ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 00:28:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B3125844C1 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 00:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113F22580792 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 00:22:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id wp4so1360798obc.38 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 23:25:36 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Rhp8DoNb5V2msjF8FruT9QDPPGkTr6Xm+xJDbXDyKtk=; b=ExOZycGFUTzkK7lDgZWCAKO18W8CUo9Cv4IIhNBqaBnPx+dnjAt2sktp8sertJkqTt 1VWmWrUTbTeSnffsXsDLUFL2j/9Lu8U9f+7XdR90aGpSUv1AmXGU8CUztyxj+JQL9MP9 aKr1NNQwwcirHNNVnLS0VXzF8PP2PGPcyXWJssEpbM5uz1Zsz61m3Um3EC5xU3To8g8V RP+h6D/svTTfsv7hB68VYkf1wOtuE5m73Ut8faoiA1N16I/wYF6dIx8DCPoKbFijCzxw as9AFxkK/L1lU0+zZZwUGeSVp8aCo7EIq4eHX/DFxRmBqLxuEaFeZZfam6x9m7vhvrT9 M46A== df6mr5920865obb.36.1411107936292; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 23:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.177.84 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 23:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 02:25:36 -0400 From: Brian Morse To: "spridgets@autox.team.net" Subject: [Spridgets] Documenting the Holy Sprite Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings List, I hope everyone gets this message ok. As some of you may know, recently I came across Ron Soave's write-up of the Buster Cluster OSHIT, and very much enjoyed rereading it. When I originally read it over a year ago Ron and I had not yet met. I posted this site on Facebook, and somehow the AH club of Germany then shared it with all their members. In communication with them I mentioned there was another great effort completed called the Holy Sprite and I would share the story with them. But I can't find such a site. I had some down time at work tonight and started to search the list archives for posts related to the Holy Sprite. Then I thought "hey, maybe I could do a write-up?" Maybe not a bad idea, but I wasn't part of it :-/ So I started a Google Document (not shared) and began copying and pasting messages showing how the whole thing formed, how donations were set up, how the travel plans were made, etc. My proposal to the list is (for me) to get the messages assembled chronologically by topic and saved in one document, then share the document with the members here and they can add in their personal experiences, anecdotes, images, whatever they would like to add to the memory of the Holy Sprite OSHIT. This document would live on the Google Drive, so it can be accessed and edited directly. Once it has found a state of relative completeness, I would try to find a permanent home for it somewhere on the interwebs so it can be accessed just like the Bugii website. Would anyone be opposed to this? I certainly wouldn't want to offend anyone. Naturally before anything gets shared with the world all contributors would have to agree on the content. Please let me know what you think! 3wheel in A2 P.s. I will duplicate this message on the Facebook Spridgets list so I don't miss anyone... ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 13:15:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906E925856EC for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:15:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E4E1625808D7 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:15:08 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1411154282; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=rhyoh0Y0Ib7Hmegzj4LowKPsVdddd3DAUsrx6jWPBxNRxpDd3Txw2PjZRQooqaL+K SVSZGVpmD8oBrkbScp7QOptQyiYgfSRnVcWoCyTkU/8EdSWxKYDHLeMeEbii755vIa fUuPUv/aoLB37cUzEkp42ZtXFk+tmoeJ49cwW7p8= Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail09.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.149]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABLB3ALNAZU7SBJ for (sender ); Fri, 19 Sep 2014 12:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.238.231.114] by webmail09.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 19:16:41 GMT From: "Mark Haynes" Full-Name: "Mark Haynes" Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 19:16:41 GMT To: spridgets@autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Documenting the Holy Sprite Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Brian- Jim Johnson (I think) did a writeup on this, complete with pictures -or was it maybe Frank???It's been done, jsut need to fine out where it is.... Mark Haynes It only goes one way-Pay it Forward Message: 3Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 02:25:36 -0400From: Brian Morse To: "spridgets@autox.team.net" Subject: [Spridgets] Documenting the Holy SpriteMessage-ID: Content-T ype: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"Greetings List,I hope everyone gets this message ok.As some of you may know, recently I came across Ron Soave's write-up of theBuster Cluster OSHIT, and very much enjoyed rereading it. When Ioriginally read it over a year ago Ron and I had not yet met.I posted this site on Facebook, and somehow the AH club of Germany thenshared it with all their members. In communication with them I mentionedthere was another great effort completed called the Holy Sprite and I wouldshare the story with them.But I can't find such a site.I had some down time at work tonight and started to search the listarchives for posts related to the Holy Sprite. Then I thought "hey, maybeI could do a write-up?" Maybe not a bad idea, but I wasn't part of it :-/ ____________________________________________________________ Low-Cost Flood Insurance Find a policy in your area and get a free flood risk profile! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/541c814cc682514c0febst02duc ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 13:28:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C63C2580A73 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:28:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from devils.ext.ti.com (devils.ext.ti.com [198.47.26.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF67F2580A73 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:28:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dflxv15.itg.ti.com ([128.247.5.124]) by devils.ext.ti.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id s8JJVegL018871 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:31:40 -0500 Received: from DLEE70.ent.ti.com (dlee70.ent.ti.com [157.170.170.113]) by dflxv15.itg.ti.com (8.14.3/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s8JJVeke007383 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:31:40 -0500 Received: from DLEE12.ent.ti.com ([fe80::b01c:958e:1aa:d17f]) by DLEE70.ent.ti.com ([fe80::c4c6:f618:54e7:ad11%28]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:31:40 -0500 From: "Fisher, Ed" To: "spridgets@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: Holy Sprite write-up across the world Thread-Index: Ac/UQFYaIs2NHkVdS42CwYltecWl2Q== Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 19:31:40 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US Content-ID: <66E25F39FF2FB349B993EFA3088D1D17@owa.mail.ti.com> Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite write-up across the world Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Frank continues to pay it forward from beyond. I vote yes, not that I should have a say, as only an outside admirer to those who so selflessly gave of their time, talent, and resources. I have told the story to anyone who would listen and going global only makes sense to me. Again, I defer to the men and women involved tangibly. Respectfully, Ed in Dallas, Tx ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 13:33:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE2125857D6 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from r3.netinteraction.com (r3.netinteraction.com [174.143.143.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364BD25857A5 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:32:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com (mx2.netinteraction.com [174.143.201.144]) by r3.netinteraction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55AFD1D2D7; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 19:36:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTP id C50EBF443D4; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 12:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dt5RKwZhEWmP; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 12:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com (75-128-248-219.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com [75.128.248.219]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTPA id 4AF16F443D3; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 12:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:35:43 -0500 To: Brian Morse , "spridgets@autox.team.net" From: Peter Caldwell mail.com> References: Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Documenting the Holy Sprite Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Brian, There is so much more to this than just those 2 instances. It's the continual brotherhood, of which I was most pleasantly re-re-re-re-minded today. Peter C = At 01:25 AM 9/19/2014, Brian Morse wrote: >Greetings List, > >I hope everyone gets this message ok. > >As some of you may know, recently I came across Ron Soave's write-up of the >Buster Cluster OSHIT, and very much enjoyed rereading it. When I >originally read it over a year ago Ron and I had not yet met. ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 15:27:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A825F25845B6 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:27:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7AD2580B41 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:21:47 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1411161882; bh=hmgiGiGA+/pQIZlwYpM4iWJtAFHFzixhCn/m7ezHB8Y=; b=IrqNgl2k8MT1626+AKsMiBI0CHRWwCekLfvR5m1CI5TKLWM6SnSjs5/nL4nXch2ZyL5lSCgoRwpg+EFJ5KeWt/NumHwafBm7ZaHtYBI8L9hNy+ZL2VcbSLyNoXvz1TYGlvD7FCiQ9o6yQ4eZwCKGrXvcZDEtMBMsu4tRLqJQRi+vrDhV6UJkZ/2aw7AnJbJ7a11CO8cYOsdqOTaW7A21C9/agLSEN/8bZnjZREqpyF1IhOJC+KhTbFIzw6Gqnbd7iAutFbZlavqJGW+t3sdLLzaj71+ivE+ZvVXc0i7w805YjcHu0RTz8riC4sGcdZkRESLpgwlf0WjRD78xQhIBaQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=tzTODMVdW4vMGCFN3huw1Y7OOxzEryCjGWLIqoK+ko289Zk/ICvVPf3aJmsmcyKpFOaeArUJV1zUPJWpejpLxEaJE9JY+5Cpje/WVo5YCbi9lGd15emh8dgvH3pJ6RIerjKbLocj3l53ffKFvpwHcZsbkJrJT1qXigoO7Tn5Vb0I5YRLJ2UF59ltTDJnSX97QI0GBIThl0tK4EnoFmaGSe6YlHD59iq5AEXgB00eA5IcLPB9/TCijeTURrt1xK9Mkomm+2OAqgDljE7t1c+3YPnowo3l4/Qu6smY7WfiyKl1FIBfqD372CWN9gh6gZFUCHfM+il6nJJBaXf1eUARaA==; Received: from [98.138.101.128] by nm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2014 21:24:42 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.58] by tm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2014 21:24:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp209.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2014 21:24:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411161882; bh=hmgiGiGA+/pQIZlwYpM4iWJtAFHFzixhCn/m7ezHB8Y=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=sUsAzqfbGBqKdbFvAVeZzKpQaej9sIVeEIjaJwDT46ZNUhduoHuYnNCBBPigiXOrEhXIVy2NR0zNgOD6DepW+k5hKEi8weFsL0ZWINSY4GZj4l1dr0QO8QzRDvUDibjD35ZGzi+65hjAi+hu+/k2BLbl9cv0LWVHL4SYbWxRFrc= qTwNS5WlVCSoDJtp3xowBelBX5nHIFNyBjEy6SOnVM2JeqUorYg_mawRRNad jC1IJBBKaIbMfvN__9yYKkLiGM6e3xt7dp_OVsuALgvNdvUOztonQZfiJKpw PvnaIa7o7SIDSNwkqalrDNhG.K8xJ3Fm0YTuk8dd8U1svSYDsW6r44_syRU_ uFNJRGR0WA_04RmuCZNuxBkRae01NsDx1drsPSKBO2WLGUfvh524KyVU61kn 3w0DM36OmvB3IvIKQfYKs1sXU4WhHV4utZXq7h4.4lswcm6jjFAwGJpbl9vE v3ZcgRFmu6px3rm.RcNPQjhTs2pIbGhThssi2GlLTXhOCKiFnSCakEwLeN1f inKJqEz3qTZZLnCDSNzmZuaCQBpIsakRAlsuo7KWiGu.UqTj.rX42W35PS4p Tt58ZmOVYasDY231u1XAV98PTGypp9igzni1QRTbQeqz7eElHDgcaWt4IPv3 uDxs6M8yngw7eDnlH0eHlHEd6OAQt81mumrFlU2xVv70HMGhrkL8eGSkf7xt f_lCC.okyvc2D3b3uKbBXliE2wng- References: <20140919193551.C50EBF443D4@mx2.netinteraction.com> From: Ron Soave Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 17:24:40 -0400 To: Peter Caldwell Cc: "spridgets@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Documenting the Holy Sprite Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Hey, we're in Jersey for a wedding right now, 'cause TWFWD. Ron Soave > On Sep 19, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > > Brian, > There is so much more to this than just those 2 instances. It's the continual brotherhood, of which I was most pleasantly re-re-re-re-minded today. > > Peter C > = > At 01:25 AM 9/19/2014, Brian Morse wrote: >> Greetings List, >> >> I hope everyone gets this message ok. >> >> As some of you may know, recently I came across Ron Soave's write-up of the >> Buster Cluster OSHIT, and very much enjoyed rereading it. When I >> originally read it over a year ago Ron and I had not yet met. > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/soavero@yahoo.com ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 16:57:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4927225857D7 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f171.google.com (mail-lb0-f171.google.com [209.85.217.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BAC2584536 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:50:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id l4so4021067lbv.16 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:53:24 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NSTXz6iTmTvYnkPYPjLzwD0DNSCKoZYzsZN9Q8WMuVs=; b=CTb/TLlLFdTj+rT2TkVxw5XsbEaSLKjSCLLMRHIJIrTDJZC54BH9LkJeQ34JKnEjAh 5uEKiSQQi9hc4rLrRc3/tBnBRd5lUtxWxOQTiUDJU8Ws2GF60frePVdw9Po4hllZXNJ8 YX/bOSHktD7PvNvLhy443IiINJnODeXoQoECiEhATqvVkAnPnSUY52hWs7z1qhRK4M3d Q+/SkjADZyFoRt/csLPMU9ViavwfnnJVmzGvo2tKoLXrzfXgiXwSu0v2FygAPzATWLHH ovvf2WjpGnC2gF+33m0QfywAVtCa+cdIZbBDs5D+VSMGLFhlTaQRP67/P5c3eJLmzejU VxCA== Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.149.36 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:53:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <20140919193551.C50EBF443D4@mx2.netinteraction.com> <84A124B7-99A5-48CB-8222-38F962FE4D7B@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 18:53:23 -0400 From: Kevin Valentine To: Ron Soave Cc: "spridgets@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Documenting the Holy Sprite Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Hey ALL, Between Larry Macy, Phil Nace and I, there are several thousand pictures of Oshit "meetings" over the years. (Including the Holy Sprite build). Many others also have pictures of the builds and restorations we have done. The Oshit website is still up and running, but hasn't been updated for a while..... It's here; http://www.valentinephoto.net/oshit/ It's my busy season right now and things are VERY hectic but, I'll try to help with requests for pictures when needed. There have been MANY Oshit meetings over the years, including a few this year for new members of the EasternOshitGroup. (thanks Peter for referring ;) Kevin V. Tuscarora, Pa On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Ron Soave wrote: > Hey, we're in Jersey for a wedding right now, 'cause TWFWD. > > Ron Soave > > > On Sep 19, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > > > > Brian, > > There is so much more to this than just those 2 instances. It's > the > continual brotherhood, of which I was most pleasantly re-re-re-re-minded > today. > > > > Peter C > > = > > At 01:25 AM 9/19/2014, Brian Morse wrote: > >> Greetings List, > >> > >> I hope everyone gets this message ok. > >> > >> As some of you may know, recently I came across Ron Soave's write-up of > the > >> Buster Cluster OSHIT, and very much enjoyed rereading it. When I > >> originally read it over a year ago Ron and I had not yet met. > > ------------------------ > > > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/soavero@yahoo.com > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/kevinv1275@gmail.com ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 20 07:49:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD55D25845EE for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:49:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390E32580764 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:49:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [67.170.134.133] (helo=spider) by smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1XVL57-00027z-NY for spridgets@autox.team.net; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:52:09 -0400 From: To: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 06:52:07 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/U0A6Vy7wiwX1eQ5iYiD3mPtxiUgACevzw Subject: [Spridgets] two hot running Spridgets Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net _____ From: James Gruber [mailto:thistle_3619@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:40 AM To: corvallis Subject: Bruce,, Timing Settings can greatly affect how warm the engine runs. My '68 Sprite had a 66 1098 installed with Crossflow Radiator. Around town all was great and would idle all day long below N. However 5 miles on Expressway in summer would see temps start to slowly rise and get well not overheating but warmer than I thought they should. Exit off of the ramp and temps would drop to N before the end of the ramp. Take a look at hoses as well. make sure no kinks. I had some vary sharp bends and needed to order a different radiator thermostat outlet. One sharp bend I eliminated by using a piece of 45 degree bend copper pipe and a couple of clamps. Seemed to help at least my piece of mind. Lower hose on PS is under pretty good suction. Make sure it is not collapsing under high revs. ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 21 05:21:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829302580870 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 05:21:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from BAY004-OMC4S17.hotmail.com (bay004-omc4s17.hotmail.com [65.54.190.219]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1F72580754 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 05:21:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY168-W134 ([65.54.190.200]) by BAY004-OMC4S17.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Sun, 21 Sep 2014 04:24:15 -0700 From: brian S To: spridgets list Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 07:24:14 -0400 References: , <20140919193551.C50EBF443D4@mx2.netinteraction.com>, <84A124B7-99A5-48CB-8222-38F962FE4D7B@yahoo.com>, FILETIME=[9374C750:01CFD58E] Subject: [Spridgets] Wedding Bells Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Can't remember if she is on the Spridgets list, BUT A BIG Congratulations to Tiffany Clarici and her new husband Ted, on getting married yesterday!! Brian S. Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed! Thanks to Frank C.! > > > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Ron Soave wrote: > > > Hey, we're in Jersey for a wedding right now, 'cause TWFWD. > > > > Ron Soave ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 21 19:05:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B572584944 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 19:05:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE441258044F for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 19:05:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id u16u1o0070bG4ec01184co; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 01:08:04 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.23] ([75.65.249.164]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id u1831o00c3ZZswj3P184SE; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 01:08:04 +0000 From: Lester Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:08:03 -0500 To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com, Spridgets list References: s=q20140121; t=1411348084; bh=YuUFgaivK99mK16uDanlg9nSKvjOSZwOCULW2H/6S60=; h=Received:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:To: Message-Id; b=AEkrfXXEb28he39qbKjkZFkqkyp8v/3CU3cbQyJPlAWMJRAxu772XVV7K7E6Xcn8l DolQMhKNZYm4nt+zC0qt9dP1Yq69/kcPJG/MROIh1SOVjz5vfOtp8LdHe3Z+i4pchS 6PZMfj7Hm4WCM+vLnkRdIpn/M5y3sxRC33WM9KiQkxcytDFYJDhvpA6CPnT6dnJlWT 9nYeV5p7LN8RxlvTPqzEUyeU4dIOFiNz+JebfBP8cn4Uo9KB61IrNLn7UAZfZYhYS0 DgjWdwoqja+wTVZgbcMlce+7hq+rJerp+ImujGQKuk9XAjiZps5aDI/kuQDhQu7DZM A4gZ32LDi4jig== Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Ok so here is the latest installment of the devil engine. Please recall, initially, way back in July (?) I reported poor running and quick testing showed number 4 cyl to have 185 compression with all other cylinders in the 215 range. Also remember that this is a new engine built by someone else and currently has about 35 miles on it. Remember also that one valve adjuster was broken and later examination reveled another that was bent (and likely had been that way since I received the engine) also half of the pushtubes were bentso I replaced all of them. Adjusted the valve gap. This car has a 123 Distributor. I fired her up last week and adjusted the timing by ear just to see how things were going to run. A quick drive showed that the water temp kept climbing. This weekend I replaced the radiator cap and thermostat with a 160 degree one. I also tested the original one which looks new and functions as new. I used a DeWalt IR temp gauge to measure water temp at full open. After running the car this evening (ambient temp around 83 degrees F with no direct sun exposure) I observed that the temp climbed slowly and inexorably to the high side peg. To try to eliminate possible timing concerns I ran the car in 4th at around 4000 revs and also in 5th at 3000 revs. I popped the bonnet and used the IR temp gauge and measured the thermostat housing at 219 F, the top left of the radiator (as viewed from the front) was at 219 moving to the right top showed the same temp. as I moved down the radiator temps decreased to a low of 160 F at the lower right (where the lower radiator hose attaches). With the engine off the car boiled and boiled and boiled. It did spit some coolant out but not much. So wise readers and knowers of things Sprite, what do you think is going on? My thoughts are these: Compression loss is due to failed headgasket or similar problem (head cracked etc) or Timing is too far advanced. All input is recommended. Thank you. Lester > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Ewing wrote: > Good Morning all! > > So, the long saga of getting the go-fast engine running is sorta done. I am > back driving the car. WHEEE!!! > > But > > Water temp with new radiator cap and antifreeze quickly goes up in 65 F > ambient temps to close to the max on the gauge.. > > But.. > > The temp gauge is now reading off the head rather than off the radiator. My > thought is that taking the temp measurements here will show a higher temp > compared to taking it off the radiator but this is where I ask your > expertise.. > > > Thanks, > > Lester ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 21 19:30:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50586258491B for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 19:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B542580682 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 19:30:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-18v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.242]) by resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id u1Yp1o0075E3ZMc011ZdVF; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 01:33:37 +0000 Received: from CaptRandyPC ([68.44.69.243]) by resomta-po-18v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id u1Zb1o00C5EvML4011Zbys; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 01:33:37 +0000 From: "Randy Alkins" To: , "Lester" , "Spridgets list" References: Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 21:33:26 -0400 s=q20140121; t=1411349617; bh=IQCy2C8Lh/mOpXJ36EFwXe7m04cglcRF3NyyjAqQxLY=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=d4lTAkORXqVyvW/cwoFzmQla7aR4+PVp2mscWFhiDnpw1IA66mi55eTxf8jB2k8oW x80OY84MUU+D/BTPMUmictnGBNNpbefwJvhvU6Y19RquoNeGatOFH97CAcVATYvAAV NlAtUfc4ebhUTR0JywAN22cHBHdWEdBsp+37nfY8oucNxN7/9xmO4MnnI0GO8vTRSG i/PbsK6/BcquS7AeAt3+lBQ1EwzlReSZ1gKjBf+AVm2xTwtaCyMWN5O17NEfXxUAcC FlYUfMN/QDJWg0jmM2nI3q+Y5tEay4G+TgVNfH7+9LLU0gkvHOwwKOMoXKtAZpJIiL ElJVBlbQld2/A== Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Re: Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net When it was rebuilt were are the freeze plugs replaced and the block flushed? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lester oldsaabguy@comcast.net [bugeye] To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com ; Spridgets list Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:08 PM Subject: Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Re: Water temp question.. Ok so here is the latest installment of the devil engine. Please recall, initially, way back in July (?) I reported poor running and quick testing showed number 4 cyl to have 185 compression with all other cylinders in the 215 range. Also remember that this is a new engine built by someone else and currently has about 35 miles on it. Remember also that one valve adjuster was broken and later examination reveled another that was bent (and likely had been that way since I received the engine) also half of the pushtubes were bentso I replaced all of them. Adjusted the valve gap. This car has a 123 Distributor. I fired her up last week and adjusted the timing by ear just to see how things were going to run. A quick drive showed that the water temp kept climbing. This weekend I replaced the radiator cap and thermostat with a 160 degree one. I also tested the original one which looks new and functions as new. I used a DeWalt IR temp gauge to measure water temp at full open. After running the car this evening (ambient temp around 83 degrees F with no direct sun exposure) I observed that the temp climbed slowly and inexorably to the high side peg. To try to eliminate possible timing concerns I ran the car in 4th at around 4000 revs and also in 5th at 3000 revs. I popped the bonnet and used the IR temp gauge and measured the thermostat housing at 219 F, the top left of the radiator (as viewed from the front) was at 219 moving to the right top showed the same temp. as I moved down the radiator temps decreased to a low of 160 F at the lower right (where the lower radiator hose attaches). With the engine off the car boiled and boiled and boiled. It did spit some coolant out but not much. So wise readers and knowers of things Sprite, what do you think is going on? My thoughts are these: Compression loss is due to failed headgasket or similar problem (head cracked etc) or Timing is too far advanced. All input is recommended. Thank you. Lester On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Ewing wrote: Good Morning all! So, the long saga of getting the go-fast engine running is sorta done. I am back driving the car. WHEEE!!! But Water temp with new radiator cap and antifreeze quickly goes up in 65 F ambient temps to close to the max on the gauge.. But.. The temp gauge is now reading off the head rather than off the radiator. My thought is that taking the temp measurements here will show a higher temp compared to taking it off the radiator but this is where I ask your expertise.. Thanks, Lester __._,_.___ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Posted by: Lester ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Reply via web post . Reply to sender . Reply to group . Start a New Topic . Messages in this topic (5) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Improvements in Yahoo Groups Search Searching for new groups to join is easier than ever. We've honed our algorithm to bring you better search results based on relevance and activity. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net I had a used engine I bought from overseas. I sensed it had been used in a stationary application. Turns out the rear part of block's water system was full of sediment. I had the over-heating symptoms. Nothing would run out of the water system bleed valve at the back of the engine. I replaced the valve with a pipe plug, after running a long drill bit in the hole by hand. Then I would drive it a bit until it was hot and pressurized; then I'd put on a leather glove and remove the plug with a small socket set. It would blow all the sediment out. I did this over and over. Periodically I had to use the long drill bit to clear the hole. Works fine now. It was a 1500cc Datsun push rod engine which may have been copied from the olde Austins. Bill in Oregon ========================================================================= -----Original Message----- From: Spridgets [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lester Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 6:08 PM To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com; Spridgets list Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. Ok so here is the latest installment of the devil engine. Please recall, initially, way back in July (?) I reported poor running and quick testing showed number 4 cyl to have 185 compression with all other cylinders in the 215 range. Also remember that this is a new engine built by someone else and currently has about 35 miles on it. Remember also that one valve adjuster was broken and later examination reveled another that was bent (and likely had been that way since I received the engine) also half of the pushtubes were bentso I replaced all of them. Adjusted the valve gap. This car has a 123 Distributor. I fired her up last week and adjusted the timing by ear just to see how things were going to run. A quick drive showed that the water temp kept climbing. This weekend I replaced the radiator cap and thermostat with a 160 degree one. I also tested the original one which looks new and functions as new. I used a DeWalt IR temp gauge to measure water temp at full open. After running the car this evening (ambient temp around 83 degrees F with no direct sun exposure) I observed that the temp climbed slowly and inexorably to the high side peg. To try to eliminate possible timing concerns I ran the car in 4th at around 4000 revs and also in 5th at 3000 revs. I popped the bonnet and used the IR temp gauge and measured the thermostat housing at 219 F, the top left of the radiator (as viewed from the front) was at 219 moving to the right top showed the same temp. as I moved down the radiator temps decreased to a low of 160 F at the lower right (where the lower radiator hose attaches). With the engine off the car boiled and boiled and boiled. It did spit some coolant out but not much. So wise readers and knowers of things Sprite, what do you think is going on? My thoughts are these: Compression loss is due to failed headgasket or similar problem (head cracked etc) or Timing is too far advanced. All input is recommended. Thank you. Lester > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Ewing wrote: > Good Morning all! > > So, the long saga of getting the go-fast engine running is sorta done. I am > back driving the car. WHEEE!!! > > But > > Water temp with new radiator cap and antifreeze quickly goes up in 65 F > ambient temps to close to the max on the gauge.. > > But.. > > The temp gauge is now reading off the head rather than off the radiator. My > thought is that taking the temp measurements here will show a higher temp > compared to taking it off the radiator but this is where I ask your > expertise.. > > > Thanks, > > Lester ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/corvallis@peoplepc.com ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 21 20:11:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFE1258491B for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:11:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C4F2580682 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:11:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id u2CH1o0010EZKEL012EUnU; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 02:14:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.23] ([75.65.249.164]) by omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id u2ET1o00m3ZZswj3M2EUGV; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 02:14:28 +0000 From: Lester Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 21:14:27 -0500 References: To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com s=q20140121; t=1411352068; bh=PWH0+a5U3DFAd+7vJauoPtahCXLDmaKwt3NHLUZjvKw=; h=Received:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=atlBskSVx4cyJ1HO2T2lV3jcXXHs2LegPbz03q1RqNkeS/mxbuHxp1OWLCW7qe2op Ihtl2tCVhEQIlUco2aM0DueQOSWs8xqqJDGmDOn2pUjcFrZ35v1uc5iHnneig4MH99 L7fOWUaf5K+Ub1YFmLi/PmhdIxo9zYnafMq3zPxy9v26k5PRO2L22AnfDfhTeE8CPU ifQ3MwhUFY8iVoA9H7PgkQdqSU8dzjL0hKmiBaDjYBhGSKBTyo55uzauzvgBSojDaX 7CvIUbatjwoS3K/X/dRBhYtVS4Hxoybl4l60PRQA+1NQGCH8IQHlHE0uKbjklKugZn 8b+E+dD6rq32g== Cc: Spridgets list Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Re: Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Who knows.. I can't say anything about the build other than the data I have presented. Lester On Sep 21, 2014, at 8:33 PM, Randy Alkins wrote: > When it was rebuilt were are the freeze plugs replaced and the block flushed? > > __,_._,___ ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 21 20:33:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35AC25848C8 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:32:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CC52580682 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-14v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.238]) by resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id u2bs1o00158ss0Y012bsvE; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 02:35:52 +0000 Received: from CaptRandyPC ([68.44.69.243]) by resomta-po-14v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id u2bq1o0065EvML4012brTe; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 02:35:51 +0000 From: "Randy Alkins" To: , References: <667CA8753F304C17B0039733EB7C915C@spider> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 22:35:43 -0400 s=q20140121; t=1411353352; bh=wFdwfxc3P1cypW9NUpHMqD4Qqsg1glWd8drMyCZ9xt0=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=bYKqJWpMX+yzn3YoMAaTa1nPH9IGwdwE5pf5JHpMswQDj++9vBElNxkxZcNE2fNZa fNJjiZgPEy1vlVVqWSrDfioxxyknjMFspAQMbCcAFW9YIZbHDMVofsG7MQ72aMPlzg ufDVSDd/G8o7KBDnhoy2Qprz2BcMts9l3Bso5ZdKEwqr02W26NJrbcW+3cg9sVFPmK /HYPmY6fr2eg3wV4Rs5pFMKSOfPV1GnTZDhm2brWHEQ5KKqLaqultvB7TiL96rHq8l xhdEA63ro8y4fV8qUimvnBKJbw7bwz4MFbYmrznB+9zDhT7tdqpvNMkq0pvi4zUYH1 mv2fD/nx4nLEw== Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net I have seen shops do poor jobs of cleaning. Try flushing with some Tide Detergent and clean water and see how dirty the water comes out. Add a handful and run the engine with the cap on but lose for about an hour. Drian it and see how much muck comes out. If you haave to after that take thermo out and flush through the hoses without them hooked to the rad. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. >I had a used engine I bought from overseas. I sensed it had been used in a > stationary application. Turns out the rear part of block's water system > was > full of sediment. > I had the over-heating symptoms. Nothing would run out of the water system > bleed valve at the back of the engine. > I replaced the valve with a pipe plug, after running a long drill bit in > the > hole by hand. Then I would drive it a bit until it was hot and > pressurized; > then I'd put on a leather glove and remove the plug with a small socket > set. > It would blow all the sediment out. I did this over and over. Periodically > I > had to use the long drill bit to clear the hole. > Works fine now. It was a 1500cc Datsun push rod engine which may have been > copied from the olde Austins. Bill in Oregon > ========================================================================= > -----Original Message----- > From: Spridgets [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Lester > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 6:08 PM > To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com; Spridgets list > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. > > Ok so here is the latest installment of the devil engine. > > Please recall, initially, way back in July (?) I reported poor running and > quick testing showed number 4 cyl to have 185 compression with all other > cylinders in the 215 range. Also remember that this is a new engine built > by > someone else and currently has about 35 miles on it. > > Remember also that one valve adjuster was broken and later examination > reveled > another that was bent (and likely had been that way since I received the > engine) also half of the pushtubes were bentso I replaced all of them. > Adjusted the valve gap. > > This car has a 123 Distributor. > > I fired her up last week and adjusted the timing by ear just to see how > things > were going to run. A quick drive showed that the water temp kept > climbing. > > This weekend I replaced the radiator cap and thermostat with a 160 degree > one. > I also tested the original one which looks new and functions as new. I > used > a > DeWalt IR temp gauge to measure water temp at full open. > > After running the car this evening (ambient temp around 83 degrees F with > no > direct sun exposure) I observed that the temp climbed slowly and > inexorably > to > the high side peg. To try to eliminate possible timing concerns I ran the > car > in 4th at around 4000 revs and also in 5th at 3000 revs. I popped the > bonnet > and used the IR temp gauge and measured the thermostat housing at 219 F, > the > top left of the radiator (as viewed from the front) was at 219 moving to > the > right top showed the same temp. as I moved down the radiator temps > decreased > to a low of 160 F at the lower right (where the lower radiator hose > attaches). > > With the engine off the car boiled and boiled and boiled. It did spit > some > coolant out but not much. > > So wise readers and knowers of things Sprite, what do you think is going > on? > > My thoughts are these: > > Compression loss is due to failed headgasket or similar problem (head > cracked > etc) or > > Timing is too far advanced. > > All input is recommended. > > Thank you. > > Lester > > >> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Ewing wrote: >> Good Morning all! >> >> So, the long saga of getting the go-fast engine running is sorta done. I > am >> back driving the car. WHEEE!!! >> >> But >> >> Water temp with new radiator cap and antifreeze quickly goes up in 65 F >> ambient temps to close to the max on the gauge.. >> >> But.. >> >> The temp gauge is now reading off the head rather than off the radiator. > My >> thought is that taking the temp measurements here will show a higher temp >> compared to taking it off the radiator but this is where I ask your >> expertise.. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Lester > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/corvallis@peoplepc.com > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/r.alkins001@comcast.net ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 21 21:44:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C67825848C8 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 21:44:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f50.google.com (mail-qa0-f50.google.com [209.85.216.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B475F258068F for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 21:44:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id k15so4867462qaq.37 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:47:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FaTHGwDXAkchLXwo6qYtP/wfaTPe8pdgTB/MCyFIcyw=; b=vTR0ZGwsRC+YzWW/WWK9TRDaIVEuPu383DbMsOe8uDXleo4j9obg4xHaeoqQA2ncdN W+vKUz/3n+XB/fteUoLlho7Kcfa9mDrRNJxx57+9itYwEq6Phng1ADU3lVK50qZrk9CB 3BBmecagnhlkODF3UglKMOZ/YzaGUJneCMUR/PyHGveR11ELuiyc/fjFs7JmmyiV8czH hGs+A1XLqaW54TTYrARBVmwek/czVKLuij/08YzxOjivpJzLqL2KTzvpHsqAa0PzjXQC MWXccJTCdHEV2aek5Xd6r0R2AHRwgzuRtDhSQt2q1qNt1fn+L9TiyQkXzPN1gfSUT/jV p5/w== v1mr6496560qap.80.1411357621883; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.109.131 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:47:01 -0700 (PDT) References: <20140919193551.C50EBF443D4@mx2.netinteraction.com> <84A124B7-99A5-48CB-8222-38F962FE4D7B@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:47:01 -0700 From: WFO Herb To: "K. Valentine" Cc: "spridgets@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Documenting the Holy Sprite Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net How's about updating it, Kevin. Herb On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Kevin Valentine wrote: > Hey ALL, > > Between Larry Macy, Phil Nace and I, there are several thousand pictures > of Oshit "meetings" over the years. (Including the Holy Sprite build). > Many others also have pictures of the builds and restorations we have > done. The Oshit website is still up and running, but hasn't been updated > for a while..... > > It's here; > > http://www.valentinephoto.net/oshit/ > > It's my busy season right now and things are VERY hectic but, I'll try to > help with requests for pictures when needed. > > There have been MANY Oshit meetings over the years, including a few this > year for new members of the EasternOshitGroup. 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Thanks to improved forest management, we have more trees in America today than we had 100 years ago. ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 22 05:22:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D16258491F for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 05:22:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f44.google.com (mail-qg0-f44.google.com [209.85.192.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD832580951 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 05:21:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id f51so2665263qge.31 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 04:24:41 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=u/4DzT9D6fj8V9Wc//TIgkY43PqogOTj9OZVhpOrsjQ=; b=Ih2ZDGiDETCtFGYqjx0riy6bwjWlyXCOZpJtU9t5e0pHI7Kug3CVez8cUTkIghcnAb 1NLlUMBASCsAgfT3uaLxw6yRGdTeg5/xpp3TmJYgMJgKymXS/Yj+oytjU1cLBtcEzUQB zn83A4HBZJvtJgiBMsnNEHXd+msiLQNKZnfGtdCOCBr7oW6eLvVoxNBV/airVJVdH49S H5/WZr7vmiupf3JjDfQLVdtcQ22S2wxGOpZ7JbqfVj9ewOOHokKqjzlzo95qrmyceVyP PYgfoJPlV7a/v/k0Mj+93ZQWdVBmOZYAwbQdUM5g6cVHq0HmQTVGuB5Ttz2SzSxTX2uf FqNw== g17mr16082795qaa.3.1411385081270; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 04:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.144.97 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 04:24:41 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 06:24:41 -0500 From: Brad Fornal To: Lester Cc: Spridgets list , bugeye@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Re: Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net I had a guy who was a genius with Chevy engines, rebuild my GTO engine years ago. When it was in, and I started driving, it was also overheating. When I finally figured it out. the builder had put the marks on the timing gears in the Chevy configuration, not the Pontiac. Once I put that straight, the overheating went away. Since you don't know the builder, this may be something to consider. On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Lester wrote: > Who knows.. I can't say anything about the build other than the data I have > presented. > > Lester > > > On Sep 21, 2014, at 8:33 PM, Randy Alkins wrote: > > > When it was rebuilt were are the freeze plugs replaced and the block > flushed? > > > > __,_._,___ > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/tequila.brad@gmail.com > -- DON JULIO 1942 http://tequilabrad.com/ ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 22 14:30:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E6A2580B9A for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 14:30:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C983C258097D for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 14:30:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uLRw1o00216LCl05CLZlP8; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:33:45 +0000 Received: from [10.1.10.22] ([50.130.123.127]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uLZk1o0082l1rJA3SLZkar; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:33:45 +0000 From: Ewing Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:33:44 -0500 References: <20140921.213146.3952.0@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> <002701cfd68d$0ea0dd70$2be29850$@net> <1411417540.37378.YahooMailNeo@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com, "spridgets@autox.team.net list" s=q20140121; t=1411418025; bh=dfZbIuhR3zw6qJj4VD9mco9CStppBSA3vYwKZRPuQus=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=RHEMIsbDjxypSWfArxvrCGruT83wz/HGQOKxbbPUVWfoSMOPEg6GkKDxevryeq9UL NrJffm7Uf7Y2qEz31gRpwumYMzLO+1a35K07cAYBWicVrbMMFDdv1txbjBI5Sk0DIv iXtfyiDaer7MiptcXoRigRoqQmem9nvT/7a2TBSX0DalcaenAhXGlXrejDk//Jz2al jSFoZVP7RNngXKESV3EXx21WgAKq90XsTMAM/BSSBlf5t7rgdL8z19YZCwsyhdbWwN myaDM2e7uBWKezfejf46HRP0GY7XT/FYyPLu/Cz5NfyoIzQDdtvxdW6r/cdj0EVt8J z26tDe2JbGhnQ== Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the input so far! I left out the info that this is a 1275 bored over to a 1380. I plan on checking timing this evening and am going to look for Bubbles and Trixie as well.. then I'll check the radiator smell.. ;-) I am leaning more and more to the radiator flow volume. Is there a way to check that? Remove the lower hose and see how fast it drains? If no joy on that front then it's the combustion tester for me to rule out a head problem, (bad head gasket, crack, etc). Thanks as always guys, Lester ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 22 16:13:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA412584BFF for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 16:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f50.google.com (mail-pa0-f50.google.com [209.85.220.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD00C25804CB for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 16:12:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id rd3so4005163pab.23 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:15:52 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:references:from:content-type:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=IijmZOboKsgA6qc+QCGYI2ydfqqgec3r/46VKojfNhY=; b=WZuaH4iGY19aC+C7hLdOszp4fGhATm7yz65N3XJeZiM3ww8UeqajEkz+smgDZTi0zA g5VzmlLAk29icJP3PQyJkyzcNK0It0oGykx2Bnz6/KuiFfhEtD92d9+04J0sjqOpHnvQ xSiccD5YWCuCV6+S6Qx1UCPX/RklX9P5gaz44jO/MMLpJp/TMC7sYeuYA6/jof7sr4wS AXf15hXXW/OvRdOhzcsGoGku6U8TNUyq/oapV1GP47thS0DhDg6ShmVo6kFRp6o4bLrc psIbNHn9+oZQ7ry5u6l3Mag+oQ23zbl+ExFMK7omdEVDf5V9QaqRalOupVSdjPbgCJsL iLgg== fl9mr11309647pdb.136.1411424152568; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:c:a200:43d:75f6:b2d5:e3b:86d9? ([2601:c:a200:43d:75f6:b2d5:e3b:86d9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cz1sm10250980pdb.85.2014.09.22.15.15.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:15:51 -0700 (PDT) References: <20140921.213146.3952.0@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> <002701cfd68d$0ea0dd70$2be29850$@net> <1411417540.37378.YahooMailNeo@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <9B36C923-1EE5-4CAB-9025-EE9A7AFB6876@comcast.net> From: Glen Byrns Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:15:50 -0700 To: Ewing , spridget list Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Did you say you timed it by ear? Retard the idle timing until it only just runs, or better still, whip out the timing light. I would bet on too much advance. Glen Byrns > On Sep 22, 2014, at 1:33 PM, Ewing wrote: > > Thanks for all the input so far! > > I left out the info that this is a 1275 bored over to a 1380. > > I plan on checking timing this evening and am going to look for Bubbles and > Trixie as well.. then I'll check the radiator smell.. ;-) > > I am leaning more and more to the radiator flow volume. Is there a way to > check that? Remove the lower hose and see how fast it drains? > > If no joy on that front then it's the combustion tester for me to rule out a > head problem, (bad head gasket, crack, etc). > > Thanks as always guys, > > Lester > ------------------------ ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 22 18:19:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7209A2584C8D for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:19:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f169.google.com (mail-ig0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8675D2580BDC for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:19:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f169.google.com with SMTP id l13so4811950iga.2 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:22:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=T+0F28yvtCIpNCqxRFC38JS7A9y6rJdyXTzla0+puFg=; b=Kb92MT1g+hkq+ETjwmYUt0kVFh+1FPpfOHi+fQqfvP5acvW5OulGjI1ZzNAN7+MXEX o+vqJ4Pd40+XP3qx7F9brIGsOqhTqn8btuKXFxHYej1rwS4ji5BJoyVIx0g/84/BzFcq ZR7FSjaIstGZc15j+ZvCa5zKn+6AN15L1tBzjCab7FgMkJoZX/m1Yizh9kUvly1tKn4D n8VGoArTXhpD1jvpVkjkiSOIGEYGctnnbGPuvgeLYNNXt4467nh4H8Q1104IcCsCiOzs yLzGcqBgYUiNUm4sQXFnirnlR+6yGm9/fNQNgzO9WtAcBKv3gvpWWGGA0Z2FFSwYfk8S jjww== fv10mr18404929igb.40.1411431760407; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.81.193 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:22:40 -0700 (PDT) References: <20140921.213146.3952.0@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> <002701cfd68d$0ea0dd70$2be29850$@net> <1411417540.37378.YahooMailNeo@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <9B36C923-1EE5-4CAB-9025-EE9A7AFB6876@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:22:40 -0700 From: Kirk Hargreaves To: Glen Byrns , bubba22987 Cc: spridget list Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net I went through fits running high temps. My radiator looked to be in good shape in terms of not being dirty, closing off the flow, etc. In hind site it must have been compromised to some degree. I also had three Sprite radiators at the time and none of them would keep me cool in summer temps. I wondered if the Brit radiators are simply not fit for hotter California temps? Sitting on my driveway was my sons Suzuki Swift that he stopped driving. The car had some electrical issues that we could not track down. I gave the car to our "Bugzuki" builder fellow lister, Larry Miller, who came up from Salinas (I think Salinas) with a trailer and I kept the radiator for my 59 Sprite. The radiator fit right in place and it has since kept my temps just above my thermostat rating of 160 degrees, no matter how hot outside or how long I idle at a stop light in 100 degree plus summer temps. Simply wonderful. I have been told that the radiator I am using is the same found in the Geo Metro? I attached the electric fan to a thermostat under the hood to turn on at a certain point. Of course for those of us who are purists the car is no longer stock . . but I have also changed out many other components as well. Kirk 59 1275 On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Glen Byrns wrote: > Did you say you timed it by ear? Retard the idle timing until it only just > runs, or better still, whip out the timing light. I would bet on too much > advance. > > Glen Byrns > > > On Sep 22, 2014, at 1:33 PM, Ewing wrote: > > > > Thanks for all the input so far! > > > > I left out the info that this is a 1275 bored over to a 1380. > > > > I plan on checking timing this evening and am going to look for Bubbles > and > > Trixie as well.. then I'll check the radiator smell.. ;-) > > > > I am leaning more and more to the radiator flow volume. Is there a way > to > > check that? Remove the lower hose and see how fast it drains? > > > > If no joy on that front then it's the combustion tester for me to rule > out > a > > head problem, (bad head gasket, crack, etc). > > > > Thanks as always guys, > > > > Lester > > ------------------------ > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/khargreaves2@gmail.com ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 22 18:29:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736B625807DE for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D8E25807DE for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:29:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id uPsy1o0020QuhwU01QYCh7; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 00:32:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.23] ([75.65.249.164]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uQYA1o00m3ZZswj3NQYBdZ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 00:32:11 +0000 From: Lester Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:32:11 -0500 References: <20140921.213146.3952.0@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> <002701cfd68d$0ea0dd70$2be29850$@net> <1411417540.37378.YahooMailNeo@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <9B36C923-1EE5-4CAB-9025-EE9A7AFB6876@comcast.net> To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com, Spridgets list s=q20140121; t=1411432332; bh=WLuDAV2PiibKXKp5gvrvox1IFk5EeUAnkFHtYfjRzUM=; h=Received:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=YkBI5Gj2g8JZZ3Jg56H6v1Z9SHA0hlIHqe1oiuXLUjXr6EoDzptvQWNyDKej9pCkM 5sxJxw0bORqKex8yvkYFbSZp96fDl3qGcBdHEmU5ll//eVdYdW0/e66K/5nFellE9v mP2ZmmR9+o37ynvrrvAJUwEKPSFFGruBMxDVhIS8jKLNCtUzz6uge27WrSTwLC9VP3 2DOe/NJvZSq4Gv6pajfSasy0tHtddAsfkhYUz3p8JKJaD1N0UJ3i793t7648BzGBH4 XL51oP0Y/AHPsWNhybunPHdWTZrqCbJSiUzNjcDKi8FaAMJ5C16a9WJNBVlBorXsa0 4HX+uHV/Tm8rQ== Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Re: Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Latest info.. Timing was advanced, maybe 10 degrees extra. Set to 10 BTDC per spec on 123 Dizzy. Removed radiator cap, wiped oily residue off, topped up water, likely less than 2 cups. Went for a run , 5 miles, ambient temp close to 70F. Temp rose just as before albeit a bit slower and I didn't travel as far. I'm thinking that WST is right on as this would explain the lower compression on one cylinder as well. Next treatment: Retorque head bolts (ARP's) and purchase a combustion gas checker.. Lester On Sep 22, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Wm Severin Thompson wrote: > Head gasket. First thing I'd be looking at. Standard or ARO studs? Standard to spec with a moly lube. ARP to 55lbs with moly > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 22, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Ewing oldsaabguy@comcast.net [bugeye] wrote: > >> Thanks for all the input so far! >> >> I left out the info that this is a 1275 bored over to a 1380. >> >> I plan on checking timing this evening and am going to look for Bubbles and Trixie as well.. then I'll check the radiator smell.. ;-) >> >> I am leaning more and more to the radiator flow volume. Is there a way to check that? Remove the lower hose and see how fast it drains? >> >> If no joy on that front then it's the combustion tester for me to rule out a head problem, (bad head gasket, crack, etc). >> >> Thanks as always guys, >> >> Lester >> >> __._,_.___ >> Posted by: Ewing >> Reply via web post  Reply to sender  Reply to group  Start a New Topic  Messages in this topic (17) >> If you wish to unsubscribe from the Austin Healey Bugeye Frogeye Sprite Club, please send a blank email to: bugeye-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> If you no longer want to receive emails, but wish to remain a member of the group, you may go to the website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bugeye/ and change your subscription to "Web Only" and you will not receive any emails. >> VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 2 >>  Privacy  Unsubscribe  Terms of Use >> . >> >> >> __,_._,___ ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 09:54:38 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR2 Instruction Book Sorry if this is a silly question, but in the glove box of a TR3 I just bought, I found a blue booklet, 10" by 6", entitled "Triumph Sports Car Instruction Book, five shillings". The cover page says "TR2 First Edition" and it has a pull-out lubrication chart. The condition of the booklet makes me think it has to be a reprint. But I see them on eBay for crazy money., Question: how do I tell if this is a reprint or a national treasure which means I can retire early. Oh, wait a minute - I am retired..... Andrew Uprichard >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr) Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 14:14:38 +0000 Subject: [TR] TR2 Instruction Book It may be a reprint. I have one for the TR3 that I got from Moss or TRF (can't remember which). Mike ------ Original Message ------ From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: 5/2/2014 8:54:38 AM Subject: [TR] TR2 Instruction Book >Sorry if this is a silly question, but in the glove box of a TR3 I just >bought, I found a blue booklet, 10" by 6", entitled "Triumph Sports Car >Instruction Book, five shillings". The cover page says "TR2 First >Edition" >and it has a pull-out lubrication chart. The condition of the booklet >makes >me think it has to be a reprint. But I see them on eBay for crazy >money., > > > >Question: how do I tell if this is a reprint or a national treasure >which >means I can retire early. Oh, wait a minute - I am retired..... > > > >Andrew Uprichard > >** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mmarr at notwires.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 07:45:02 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR2 Instruction Book References: <011201cf660e$17215730$45640590$@uprichard.net> How does it compare in details (shiny label on front, location & number of staples, etc) to the ebay versions that claim to be original? http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-Instruction-Book-TRIUMPH-Sports-Car-TR2-First-Edition-1953-55-/281204038246?pt=Motors_Manuals_Literature&hash=item4179111a66&vxp=mtr Of course even that is not conclusive. I suppose you could ask the ebay seller how they know that theirs is an original. Purely Gestalt of course, but a 60 year-old document (even one carefully preserved) usually looks/smells/feels 60 years old. Geo On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > Sorry if this is a silly question, but in the glove box of a TR3 I just > bought, I found a blue booklet, 10" by 6", entitled "Triumph Sports Car > Instruction Book, five shillings". The cover page says "TR2 First Edition" > and it has a pull-out lubrication chart. The condition of the booklet > makes > me think it has to be a reprint. But I see them on eBay for crazy money., > > > > Question: how do I tell if this is a reprint or a national treasure which > means I can retire early. Oh, wait a minute - I am retired..... > > > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 17:05:30 +0200 Subject: [TR] TR2 Instruction Book References: <011201cf660e$17215730$45640590$@uprichard.net> You see them offered on eBay, Andrew, not sold. Asking price is not the value of an item, of course. Sold item searches are the only hint of value on eBay. There have been no TR2-3 instruction books sold recently on eBay for anything remotely close to $150. More like ten bucks. Condition is important though; the one in the listing indeed looks nice if original, and that can change the equation. Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > Sorry if this is a silly question, but in the glove box of a TR3 I just > bought, I found a blue booklet, 10" by 6", entitled "Triumph Sports Car > Instruction Book, five shillings". The cover page says "TR2 First Edition" > and it has a pull-out lubrication chart. The condition of the booklet > makes > me think it has to be a reprint. But I see them on eBay for crazy money., > > > > Question: how do I tell if this is a reprint or a national treasure which > means I can retire early. Oh, wait a minute - I am retired..... > > > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 18:54:47 +0100 Subject: [TR] TR2 Instruction Book References: <011201cf660e$17215730$45640590$@uprichard.net> I can't give a specific date or dates, but long ago when Rover still owned British Motor Heritage, the copyright for the re-publication of handbooks back to the year dot (and maybe even further back?) was granted to a publishing company whose name I've long forgotten. The result was newly printed handbooks for many of the popular makes and models of the 50's / 60's 70's and the finished appearance was exactly as those books looked and felt when the cars and books were new. They're now about as common as confetti at a wedding and deteriorate in the same way and to the same degree as the jen_u_ine original. Does it really matter? If the car's restored and it has an 'aged' looking handbook to go with it that wasn't printed until much later but looks the same, is this important? Yawn Jonmac -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock Sent: 02 May 2014 16:06 To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 Instruction Book You see them offered on eBay, Andrew, not sold. Asking price is not the value of an item, of course. Sold item searches are the only hint of value on eBay. There have been no TR2-3 instruction books sold recently on eBay for anything remotely close to $150. More like ten bucks. Condition is important though; the one in the listing indeed looks nice if original, and that can change the equation. Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > Sorry if this is a silly question, but in the glove box of a TR3 I > just bought, I found a blue booklet, 10" by 6", entitled "Triumph > Sports Car Instruction Book, five shillings". The cover page says "TR2 First Edition" > and it has a pull-out lubrication chart. The condition of the booklet > makes me think it has to be a reprint. But I see them on eBay for > crazy money., > > > > Question: how do I tell if this is a reprint or a national treasure > which means I can retire early. Oh, wait a minute - I am retired..... > > > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault) Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 17:02:47 -0400 Subject: [TR] first start up of Spring! It got progressively less cloudy today in North Attleboro, MA and it is decently warm. I figured it would be a good day to get the car out after I took my mandatory bike ride (must exercise, must exercise). So I got the bike out, closed the garage door and off I went. When I returned, I went to open the garage door and discovered that one of the door springs broke. Hmmm. So I got the battery out, pulled wires off their connectors and slid them back on a few times to make sure connections at the alternator, coil and distributor were good, cleaned the battery terminals and clams and installed the battery. The TR-6 started right up! Yes!!!!. I pulled it out of the garage and started to fix the spring. As I did so, my neigbor's grand son tried to open the garage next to mine, only to discover that one of the cable connectors had perished. We fixed our various spring and cable problems and then we went to our separate original plans. His was to mow a lawn. Mine was to take a joyride. Let's see, rain had washed roads clean. Winshield was washed. Top was put down and tonneau cover was snapped on. I turned the key and my happy little engine once more came to life. I was rather surprised at how well it ran this year. Last year it sputtered a lot until I got fresh gas into it. This year, and the only difference I know of was using marine grade gas stabilizer, it runs great! I'm a happy camper! Ron L, 1973 Mimosa TR-6 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 18:46:04 -0400 Subject: [TR] first start up of Spring! References: <004101cf6649$df649370$9e2dba50$@net> The first ride of the Spring is always a blast. I had my 72 out about 2 weeks ago and drove it 4 out of the next 5 days. Well, I havent had it out since! Too cold and too much rain. I havent had the bike out yet but the running is going ok as long as I can get a dry hour or so. I had a new garage door installed about 3 years ago and I opted for the center torque spring. I got sick of those long side springs always breaking. The center spring is also stronger which allows an easy open and close. My 72 started great also. Last year I started using the alcohol free gas. It is a bit more expensive but I feel it will attract less H20 in the long run. Still have to get the 3 and 4 going! Bob On 05/02/2014 05:02 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: > It got progressively less cloudy today in North Attleboro, MA and it is > decently warm. I figured it would be a good day to get the car out after I > took my mandatory bike ride (must exercise, must exercise). So I got the > bike out, closed the garage door and off I went. When I returned, I went to > open the garage door and discovered that one of the door springs broke. > Hmmm. So I got the battery out, pulled wires off their connectors and slid > them back on a few times to make sure connections at the alternator, coil > and distributor were good, cleaned the battery terminals and clams and > installed the battery. The TR-6 started right up! Yes!!!!. I pulled it > out of the garage and started to fix the spring. As I did so, my neigbor's > grand son tried to open the garage next to mine, only to discover that one > of the cable connectors had perished. We fixed our various spring and > cable problems and then we went to our separate original plans. His was to > mow a lawn. Mine was to take a joyride. Let's see, rain had washed roads > clean. Winshield was washed. Top was put down and tonneau cover was > snapped on. I turned the key and my happy little engine once more came to > life. I was rather surprised at how well it ran this year. Last year it > sputtered a lot until I got fresh gas into it. This year, and the only > difference I know of was using marine grade gas stabilizer, it runs great! > I'm a happy camper! >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 18:51:01 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR2 Instruction Book References: <011201cf660e$17215730$45640590$@uprichard.net> <00a501cf662f$9bd976d0$d38c6470$@ukpips.org.uk> John, What is important to me is the operation of a Triumph. I have the handbooks for all my Triumphs, reprints for sure, but the only time I have used one is to double check the firing order on my 72 6. The 3 and 4 are memorized. They stay in the cubby box. For me it is the big smile I always have when driving a Triumph. Bob On 05/02/2014 01:54 PM, John Macartney wrote: > I can't give a specific date or dates, but long ago when Rover still owned > British Motor Heritage, the copyright for the re-publication of handbooks > back to the year dot (and maybe even further back?) was granted to a > publishing company whose name I've long forgotten. The result was newly > printed handbooks for many of the popular makes and models of the 50's / > 60's 70's and the finished appearance was exactly as those books looked and > felt when the cars and books were new. They're now about as common as > confetti at a wedding and deteriorate in the same way and to the same degree > as the jen_u_ine original. Does it really matter? If the car's restored and > it has an 'aged' looking handbook to go with it that wasn't printed until > much later but looks the same, is this important? Yawn > > Jonmac > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock > Sent: 02 May 2014 16:06 > To: Triumphs > Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 Instruction Book > > You see them offered on eBay, Andrew, not sold. > > Asking price is not the value of an item, of course. Sold item searches are > the only hint of value on eBay. There have been no TR2-3 instruction books > sold recently on eBay for anything remotely close to $150. More like ten > bucks. Condition is important though; the one in the listing indeed looks > nice if original, and that can change the equation. > > Don > 1962 TR3B TSF202L > > > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Andrew Uprichard > wrote: > >> Sorry if this is a silly question, but in the glove box of a TR3 I >> just bought, I found a blue booklet, 10" by 6", entitled "Triumph >> Sports Car Instruction Book, five shillings". The cover page says "TR2 > First Edition" >> and it has a pull-out lubrication chart. The condition of the booklet >> makes me think it has to be a reprint. But I see them on eBay for >> crazy money., >> >> >> >> Question: how do I tell if this is a reprint or a national treasure >> which means I can retire early. Oh, wait a minute - I am retired..... >> >> >> >> Andrew Uprichard >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 22:03:55 -0400 Subject: [TR] Installing front fender trim moldings on my TR4A So I ordered some "rivet clips" MOSS PN 326-125 to install the aluminum trim on the front fenders of my TR4A and I was just wondering if anybody out there has used these? It is a sort of "pop rivet" type fastner that is used to snap on the aluminum trim. I slid one in one of the holes in the fender and it doesn't look to me like there would be much of the clip exposed to actually hold the trim. I hate to put one of these in my nicely painted fender only to discover I did it wrong! So, if anybody has done this, I would appriciate any hints. Thanks, Dave Connitt >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: cliff_hansen at earthlink.net (Cliff Hansen) Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 20:09:46 -0600 Subject: [TR] Installing front fender trim moldings on my TR4A References: <8144D0B98B7F4387ACD3D16864EB5427@DaveLaptop> Dave, I did these about a year ago, no problems. The rivets have a little cup that faces out from the fender once installed. The rivets themselves install with a pop rivet tool like a normal pop rivet. The trim then snaps over the little cups - I had to push harder on the trim than I expected but was rewarded with a satisfying snap as it fit over the cup. You may want to have a second pair of hands to keep the loose end of the trim from scratching the fender until you have the trim over the first few cups. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 8:03 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Installing front fender trim moldings on my TR4A So I ordered some "rivet clips" MOSS PN 326-125 to install the aluminum trim on the front fenders of my TR4A and I was just wondering if anybody out there has used these? It is a sort of "pop rivet" type fastner that is used to snap on the aluminum trim. I slid one in one of the holes in the fender and it doesn't look to me like there would be much of the clip exposed to actually hold the trim. I hate to put one of these in my nicely painted fender only to discover I did it wrong! So, if anybody has done this, I would appriciate any hints. Thanks, Dave Connitt ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen at earthlink.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech) Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 21:16:43 -0500 Subject: [TR] Firestones for. TR3? I have see many threads on tires but never seen a mention of the Firestone F-560? I've seen some on eBay at $80, n/c shipping. Anyone had any experience with these? Also of interest, my local Firestone dealer can get a Federal brand #657 for $47. Never hear anything about Federal tires either. BTW, there is a set of four(4) Verdesteins on eBay for $100, but they are 12 year old still with the molding tips. Maybe a good set of parade tires but nothing more. All comments welcome. Bill B. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech) Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 21:57:36 -0500 Subject: [TR] Firestones for. TR3? I have see many threads on tires but never seen a mention of the Firestone F-560? I've seen some on eBay at $80, n/c shipping. Anyone had any experience with these? Also of interest, my local Firestone dealer can get a Federal brand #657 for $47. Never hear anything about Federal tires either. BTW, there is a set of four(4) Verdesteins on eBay for $100, but they are 12 year old still with the molding tips. Maybe a good set of parade tires but nothing more. All comments welcome. Bill B. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 23:27:55 -0400 Subject: [TR] Installing front fender trim moldings on my TR4A References: <8144D0B98B7F4387ACD3D16864EB5427@DaveLaptop> <8F806B77B17242E5A78283CFDD3DAEAC@Shemp> Cliff, Thanks for the info! I just didn't want to end up taking a giant leap back here.. I will put this on the list for this weekend. I am taking my TR4A to it's first car show Sunday. The car isn't quite finished yet but it's close enough spend a Sunday afternoon at a local car show. Hopefully, there will be some other British cars there. Thanks again Cliff! Dave Connitt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "Dave Connitt" Cc: "list Triumph" Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Installing front fender trim moldings on my TR4A > Dave, > > I did these about a year ago, no problems. The rivets have a little cup > that faces out from the fender once installed. The rivets themselves > install with a pop rivet tool like a normal pop rivet. The trim then > snaps over the little cups - I had to push harder on the trim than I > expected but was rewarded with a satisfying snap as it fit over the cup. > You may want to have a second pair of hands to keep the loose end of the > trim from scratching the fender until you have the trim over the first few > cups. > > Cliff > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Connitt > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 8:03 PM > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Installing front fender trim moldings on my TR4A > > So I ordered some "rivet clips" MOSS PN 326-125 to install the aluminum > trim > on the front fenders of my TR4A and I was just wondering if anybody out > there > has used these? It is a sort of "pop rivet" type fastner that is used to > snap > on the aluminum trim. I slid one in one of the holes in the fender and it > doesn't look to me like there would be much of the clip exposed to > actually > hold the trim. I hate to put one of these in my nicely painted fender only > to > discover I did it wrong! > So, if anybody has done this, I would appriciate any hints. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen at earthlink.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: john-marie at sbcglobal.net (john-marie at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 07:42:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] Chroming TR4 Tail lights References: Have visited plating shops in the St. Louis area. Seems that pot metal is not a problem for shops that do automotive chroming. Comes with the territory. As for removing the sockets from the tail light housings...not necessary. As pointed out by one of the vendors, I can see where the original chrome stops. Something about the electroplating proces. Thanks to all who responded. John DeLuca Sent from my iPad > On Apr 30, 2014, at 8:54 PM, "Greg Lemon" wrote: > > No answer, but please respond to the whole list if you have some information, I have a whole bunch of these, all with pitting to some degree or another, if there is somewhere that can do a good job for a reasonable price I am sure there would be a lot of interest. Greg Lemon > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 8:08 PM > To: > Subject: [TR] Chroming TR4 Tail lights > >> Hello List, >> Have one tail light housing that is badly corroded on the inside. They are, >> of course, pot metal, making them a problem to clean and re-chrome. Also, the >> bulb sockets must be removed before they are chromed. They appear to be >> removable by straightening the bent tabs inside the metal housing. Have any >> listers had experience getting these chromed? Thanks. >> John DeLuca >> TR4A in Restro >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 07:36:19 -0700 Subject: [TR] Chroming TR4 Tail lights > Seems that > pot metal is not > a problem for shops that do automotive chroming. So, what do they do to fill the pits in the pot metal? Chrome will not fill pits at all; if you want a shiny result, it has to be shiny before the chrome is applied. I've heard horror stories of shops that just ground/sanded/polished it down; meaning the result bore little resemblance to the original, especially if there were any small details originally. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 07:42:47 -0700 Subject: [TR] Installing front fender trim moldings on my TR4A References: <8144D0B98B7F4387ACD3D16864EB5427@DaveLaptop> <8F806B77B17242E5A78283CFDD3DAEAC@Shemp> <01B1CD58C9A84BE89024617A4D58A06E@DaveLaptop> Dave - I think I have similar rivets on a non-TR British car and I found that, rather than snap the piece straight on, it worked better to slip one edge under one side of the rivet then snap the other edge over. No idea if that is either possible or advisable on the 4A -- just thought I'd mention a technique you might consider if they prove difficult to use. Geo On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: > Cliff, > Thanks for the info! > I just didn't want to end up taking a giant leap back here.. > I will put this on the list for this weekend. > I am taking my TR4A to it's first car show Sunday. The car isn't quite > finished yet but it's close enough spend a Sunday afternoon at a local car > show. Hopefully, there will be some other British cars there. > Thanks again Cliff! > Dave Connitt > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Hansen" < > cliff_hansen at earthlink.net> > To: "Dave Connitt" > Cc: "list Triumph" > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [TR] Installing front fender trim moldings on my TR4A > > > > Dave, >> >> I did these about a year ago, no problems. The rivets have a little cup >> that faces out from the fender once installed. The rivets themselves >> install with a pop rivet tool like a normal pop rivet. The trim then snaps >> over the little cups - I had to push harder on the trim than I expected but >> was rewarded with a satisfying snap as it fit over the cup. You may want to >> have a second pair of hands to keep the loose end of the trim from >> scratching the fender until you have the trim over the first few cups. >> >> Cliff >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt >> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 8:03 PM >> To: triumphs at autox.team.net >> Subject: [TR] Installing front fender trim moldings on my TR4A >> >> So I ordered some "rivet clips" MOSS PN 326-125 to install the aluminum >> trim >> on the front fenders of my TR4A and I was just wondering if anybody out >> there >> has used these? It is a sort of "pop rivet" type fastner that is used to >> snap >> on the aluminum trim. I slid one in one of the holes in the fender and it >> doesn't look to me like there would be much of the clip exposed to >> actually >> hold the trim. I hate to put one of these in my nicely painted fender >> only to >> discover I did it wrong! >> So, if anybody has done this, I would appriciate any hints. >> Thanks, >> Dave Connitt >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ >> options/triumphs/cliff_hansen at earthlink.net >> > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin) Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 10:51:03 -0400 Subject: [TR] Chroming TR4 Tail lights References: <20.18.14090.4EEF4635@cdptpa-oedge03> It's my understanding that the "metal" is thoroughly cleaned, then given a (or several) coat of copper which is then worked and re worked if necessary, then nickel, then chrome. Recently had saddle bag holders for 1940 Indian 4 chromed that were so pitted and rusted I could not believe they could have been rescued. Many coats of copper were applied and worked, etc. On May 3, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Randall wrote: > Seems that > pot metal is not > a problem for shops that do automotive chroming. So, what do they do to fill the pits in the pot metal? Chrome will not fill pits at all; if you want a shiny result, it has to be shiny before the chrome is applied. I've heard horror stories of shops that just ground/sanded/polished it down; meaning the result bore little resemblance to the original, especially if there were any small details originally. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 11:05:21 -0400 Subject: [TR] Installing front fender trim moldings on my TR4A References: <8144D0B98B7F4387ACD3D16864EB5427@DaveLaptop><8F806B77B17242E5A78283CFDD3DAEAC@Shemp><01B1CD58C9A84BE89024617A4D58A06E@DaveLaptop> Thanks, I will take all the suggestions I can get! I need to polish up that trim now! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Geo Hahn To: Dave Connitt Cc: list Triumph Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2014 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Installing front fender trim moldings on my TR4A Dave - I think I have similar rivets on a non-TR British car and I found that, rather than snap the piece straight on, it worked better to slip one edge under one side of the rivet then snap the other edge over. No idea if that is either possible or advisable on the 4A -- just thought I'd mention a technique you might consider if they prove difficult to use. Geo On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: Cliff, Thanks for the info! I just didn't want to end up taking a giant leap back here.. I will put this on the list for this weekend. I am taking my TR4A to it's first car show Sunday. The car isn't quite finished yet but it's close enough spend a Sunday afternoon at a local car show. Hopefully, there will be some other British cars there. Thanks again Cliff! Dave Connitt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "Dave Connitt" Cc: "list Triumph" Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Installing front fender trim moldings on my TR4A Dave, I did these about a year ago, no problems. The rivets have a little cup that faces out from the fender once installed. The rivets themselves install with a pop rivet tool like a normal pop rivet. The trim then snaps over the little cups - I had to push harder on the trim than I expected but was rewarded with a satisfying snap as it fit over the cup. You may want to have a second pair of hands to keep the loose end of the trim from scratching the fender until you have the trim over the first few cups. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 8:03 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Installing front fender trim moldings on my TR4A So I ordered some "rivet clips" MOSS PN 326-125 to install the aluminum trim on the front fenders of my TR4A and I was just wondering if anybody out there has used these? It is a sort of "pop rivet" type fastner that is used to snap on the aluminum trim. I slid one in one of the holes in the fender and it doesn't look to me like there would be much of the clip exposed to actually hold the trim. I hate to put one of these in my nicely painted fender only to discover I did it wrong! So, if anybody has done this, I would appriciate any hints. Thanks, Dave Connitt ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen at earthlink.net ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 11:09:45 -0400 Subject: [TR] Chroming TR4 Tail lights References: <20.18.14090.4EEF4635@cdptpa-oedge03> Randall, I came across this low temperature solder for repairing pot metal prior to plating. You drill out the corrosion and then fill it with "Muggy Weld", sand it smooth and start plating.. I haven't tried it but their website looks like it is a good way to get the surface smooth and ready for plating. http://www.muggyweld.com/repair-pot-metal-pits Dave Connitt >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: lee.k.janssen at gmail.com (Lee Janssen) Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 09:26:12 -0600 Subject: [TR] oil catch can Can anyone provide recommendations on an oil catch can. From the amazon reviews it appears most are simply poorly made hollow cans with limited separation capability. Thanks in advance Lee Janssen >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 08:37:41 -0700 Subject: [TR] Chroming TR4 Tail lights > I haven't tried it but > their website > looks like it is a good way to get the surface smooth and > ready for plating. I've tried a similar product, without much success. Perhaps just lack of skill on my part; but it seemed that with the propane torch, I could not get the piece heated hot enough for the solder to bond. When I got out the MAPP gas, the piece started to melt in places and the solder still didn't want to bond. A micro tip on the OA torch might have done a better job (so I could keep the heat in the pit) but it wasn't available at the time. (I noticed that, for the live demo I saw, they used thin wall tubing, rather than a thick casting. Much easier to heat a limited area.) However, my point was that, if you take a piece to a shop for chroming, you need to ask pointed questions about how _they_ will prepare the piece. Both processes are time consuming (aka expensive) and the shop may want to cut corners. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: terryrs at comcast.net (terryrs at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 15:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Firestones for. TR3? Hi, Bill. I'd suggest going to TireRack.com and reading reviews of tires in the sizes you want. Reviews break out by grip, durability, snow performance, etc. Terry >I have see many threads on tires but never seen a mention of the Firestone >F-560? I've seen some on eBay at $80, n/c shipping. Anyone had any >experience with these? >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: lee.k.janssen at gmail.com (Lee Janssen) Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 11:43:07 -0600 Subject: [TR] What does the 70-71 TR6 breather assembly do? I was looking at a TR6 1970 - 1971 Part 146725 'breather assembly' and wonder what does this do and why did it disappear from all later versions of the car? On plate BF of TRF spare parts catalog volume 1 it clearly shows that the outlet is lower than the inlet which makes no sense to me. I looked in the Bentley repair manual (briefly) but didn't see a reference to the unit. Thanks for setting me straight. Lee >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 15:07:42 -0500 Subject: [TR] Chroming TR4 Tail lights References: <21FB2FAB-2B45-45CC-AEDA-AE2B569CE54D@sbcglobal.net> I had a couple of rechroming jobs done at one of the Saint Louis shops. Caveat emptor. Contact me through pm for details. Don Saint Louis MO 1962 TR3B TSF202L On 5/3/14, john-marie at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Have visited plating shops in the St. Louis area. Seems that pot metal is > not > a problem for shops that do automotive chroming. Comes with the territory. > As for removing the sockets from the tail light housings...not necessary. > As > pointed out by one of the vendors, I can see where the original chrome > stops. > Something about the electroplating proces. Thanks to all who responded. > > John DeLuca > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 30, 2014, at 8:54 PM, "Greg Lemon" wrote: >> >> No answer, but please respond to the whole list if you have some > information, I have a whole bunch of these, all with pitting to some degree > or > another, if there is somewhere that can do a good job for a reasonable price > I > am sure there would be a lot of interest. Greg Lemon >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 8:08 PM >> To: >> Subject: [TR] Chroming TR4 Tail lights >> >>> Hello List, >>> Have one tail light housing that is badly corroded on the inside. They > are, >>> of course, pot metal, making them a problem to clean and re-chrome. >>> Also, > the >>> bulb sockets must be removed before they are chromed. They appear to be >>> removable by straightening the bent tabs inside the metal housing. Have > any >>> listers had experience getting these chromed? Thanks. >>> John DeLuca >>> TR4A in Restro > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: terryrs at comcast.net (terryrs at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 21:30:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Front pinion bearing TR3A Hello, everyone. I have the car in the air for other reasons, and decided to add the pinion sleeve and put in a new pinion seal to cure a small leak. While there, I notice the pinion shaft coming out the front does wiggle up and down. Question 1: is it relatively normal, or do I need to replace the front pinion bearing. Question 2: can you remove the bearing with the differential in the car, and how? Thank you, everyone. Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 17:52:42 -0400 Subject: [TR] Chroming TR4 Tail lights References: Yes, And one more issue is removing the old plating to get down to the pot metal in the first place. That was my stumble point.. Dave Connitt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2014 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Chroming TR4 Tail lights >> I haven't tried it but >> their website >> looks like it is a good way to get the surface smooth and >> ready for plating. > > I've tried a similar product, without much success. Perhaps just lack of > skill on my part; but it seemed that with the propane > torch, I could not get the piece heated hot enough for the solder to bond. > When I got out the MAPP gas, the piece started to melt > in places and the solder still didn't want to bond. A micro tip on the OA > torch might have done a better job (so I could keep the > heat in the pit) but it wasn't available at the time. (I noticed that, > for the live demo I saw, they used thin wall tubing, rather > than a thick casting. Much easier to heat a limited area.) > > However, my point was that, if you take a piece to a shop for chroming, > you need to ask pointed questions about how _they_ will > prepare the piece. Both processes are time consuming (aka expensive) and > the shop may want to cut corners. > > Randall > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dconnitt at fuse.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 16:34:57 -0700 Subject: [TR] Front pinion bearing TR3A > I have the car in the air for other reasons, and decided to > add the pinion sleeve and put in a new pinion seal to cure a > small leak. While there, I notice the pinion shaft coming > out the front does wiggle up and down. Is that with the flange & nut removed? If so, then perfectly normal. The bearing is a tapered roller bearing, much like a front wheel bearing. Without the flange & nut to clamp the inner race in place on the shaft, the bearing slides forward a little and loosens up. But there should be absolutely no lateral movement with the flange & nut installed. > Question 2: can you remove the bearing with the differential > in the car, and how? Not really practical, IMO. Besides, that is the least stressed bearing of the four found in the differential. Almost impossible for it to be worn out, without the others being damaged as well. Besides, if it has become loose, then the rollers and races have shed bits of extremely hard metal into the differential oil, meaning they have torn up the other bearings, thrust washers, gear faces and so on. Replacing only the input bearing would be like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. And if you did somehow replace only that bearing, then you would also need to redo the shim pack to get the bearing preload just right (plus have the special tool to measure the preload). When I did the Stag diff, the new input bearing was quite a bit different than the old one, requiring a change of some .030" in the shim pack. Of course I started out moving by .001" at a time ... Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: terryrs at comcast.net (terryrs at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 00:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Front pinion bearing TR3A >Is that with the flange & nut removed? If so, then perfectly normal. The bearing is a tapered roller bearing, much like a front >wheel bearing. Without the flange & nut to clamp the inner race in place on the shaft, the bearing slides forward a little and >loosens up. Yup. Figgered it out. I don't have a problem after all, and THAT'S the best problem of all! Thanks everyone. Terry >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: terryrs at comcast.net (terryrs at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 12:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] pinion flange torque Book says the the pinion flange torque is 85 - 100 foot pounds. Just seems so extreme. I can't see from the drawings, but does't the flange torque against the front pinon bearing? >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 06:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] What does the 70-71 TR6 breather assembly do? I believe it has a mist eliminator and baffle inside. You'd have to do an alien autopsy to confirm. I suspect some MBA eliminated it. Chad in Tulsa. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: oldpine47 at frontiernet.net (Fred Light) Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 09:54:08 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3A Engine Morning All, I at the point in my project where I need to het my engine rebuilt. I have talked to two people in my area (SE Pennsylvania) and the lowest estimate is at least 5K. Seems like a lot for an engine rebuild. Any suggestions about someone near SE Pa. that is reliable and not so costly. TIA Fred 57038 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ptegler at verizon.net (ptegler) Date: Sun, 04 May 2014 10:07:43 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3A Engine References: same logistics ($$$) that had me put in a V6 ratherthan a rebiuld at those rediculous prices! you can by a short block v8 350 for $1850! so whay does a 4 banger cost so much? it's all B.S. (tsimportedautomotive.com) He uses Hart Machining out in NW Ohio. Excellent shop, excellent work, much better prices than anything you'll find here on the east coast. Hart is is an amazing shop. Mention to Ted I sent you his way and refereed to Hart.. A couple of us went out to see the shop in person. an adventure WELL worth the trip. Paul Tegler On 5/4/2014 9:54 AM, Fred Light wrote: > Morning All, > > I at the point in my project where I need to het my engine rebuilt. I have > talked to two people in my area (SE Pennsylvania) and the lowest estimate is > at least 5K. Seems like a lot for an engine rebuild. Any suggestions about > someone near SE Pa. that is reliable and not so costly. > > TIA > Fred > 57038 > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler at verizon.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 07:08:18 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3A Engine References: On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Fred Light wrote: > > Any suggestions about someone near SE Pa. that is reliable and not so > costly. > $5K is probably not out of line but really, who is more reliable or less costly than you yourself? Alternately, perhaps you can find a shop that will let you do some of the basic work yourself and they take on (or work with you) on the somewhat specialized bits. I know the latter approach can be had where I live but requires the customer to have some prior rapport with the shop owner. Geo >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Sun, 04 May 2014 10:25:13 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3A Engine References: Fred, Give Matt a call at Triumph Rescue. http://www.triumphrescue.com/ Bob On 05/04/2014 09:54 AM, Fred Light wrote: > Morning All, > > I at the point in my project where I need to het my engine rebuilt. I have > talked to two people in my area (SE Pennsylvania) and the lowest estimate is > at least 5K. Seems like a lot for an engine rebuild. Any suggestions about > someone near SE Pa. that is reliable and not so costly. > > TIA > Fred > 57038 > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr at adelphia.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 08:38:25 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3A Engine > Any > suggestions about > someone near SE Pa. that is reliable and not so costly. I'll bet that Fred Light fellow would do a good job. Seriously, it's not that hard. Does take a few special tools, but they aren't all that expensive. And you'll have the satisfaction of doing it yourself instead of just throwing money at it. I did my first TR3A engine rebuild when I was only 19, with no formal training at all, and after having botched the job on a couple of American engines. That engine still runs today! The TR motor is so simple and reliable, it's hard to screw it up. Worth a thought, anyway. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 08:50:44 -0700 Subject: [TR] pinion flange torque > Just seems so extreme. I can't see from the drawings, but > does't the flange torque against the front pinon bearing? Not against the bearing itself, but against the inner race of the bearing. There is a fairly large amount of force on that shaft & bearings, and it is essential that the gear on the end of the shaft be held accurately in position relative to the ring gear it drives. So there is a precision spacer (and those shims I mentioned before) that fit between the inner races of both bearings on the shaft. When you reef down on the nut, it clamps the entire stack of flange, input bearing inner race, shims, spacer and the pinion bearing inner race against the pinion gear. In this case, there is some force applied to the bearings (the preload I mentioned before), but that force is set by the thickness of the shims. However, if the shims were installed a little thicker, you could actually have some clearance in the bearings even with the 100 ftlb torque. BTW, the range of torque is so you can pull to the bottom value, then tighten some more as necessary to line up the holes in the nut & shaft. Don't forget there are two holes in the shaft, so it can't take more than 1/12 turn to line them up. In the very rare case where the holes don't line up within the torque range, you may need to sand or file a bit off the back of the nut and try again. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 09:31:41 -0700 Subject: [TR] pinion flange torque References: <550714431.1383446.1399208239846.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <26.96.16163.7D166635@cdptpa-oedge01> When I did mine I marked (and photographed) the starting position of the nut and then counted the turns to remove. This enabled me to get it back to the same position upon reassembly. Seemed like a good double-check to the torque spec. This assumes all you are doing is replacing the seal. Geo On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Randall wrote: > > Just seems so extreme. I can't see from the drawings, but > > does't the flange torque against the front pinon bearing? > > Not against the bearing itself, but against the inner race of the bearing. > There is a fairly large amount of force on that shaft & > bearings, and it is essential that the gear on the end of the shaft be > held accurately in position relative to the ring gear it > drives. So there is a precision spacer (and those shims I mentioned > before) that fit between the inner races of both bearings on > the shaft. When you reef down on the nut, it clamps the entire stack of > flange, input bearing inner race, shims, spacer and the > pinion bearing inner race against the pinion gear. In this case, there is > some force applied to the bearings (the preload I > mentioned before), but that force is set by the thickness of the shims. > However, if the shims were installed a little thicker, you > could actually have some clearance in the bearings even with the 100 ftlb > torque. > > BTW, the range of torque is so you can pull to the bottom value, then > tighten some more as necessary to line up the holes in the nut > & shaft. Don't forget there are two holes in the shaft, so it can't take > more than 1/12 turn to line them up. In the very rare > case where the holes don't line up within the torque range, you may need > to sand or file a bit off the back of the nut and try > again. > > Randall > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: pryner at verizon.net (Pete Ryner) Date: Sun, 04 May 2014 12:44:04 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3A Engine References: I totally agree with Randall, I've rebuilt many engines over the years and the Spitfire and TR-3 are among the easiest to do yourself. Are you changing pistons and liners? You'll have to find a good machine shop to have the machine work done, but there is nothing exotic about that. Toughest work may be having new hardened valve seats installed so you can use unleaded fuel with no worries. All of the parts are readily available and as Randall said, the tool costs are minimal. Many of the tools can be borrowed from Autozone or Advance Auto or the like. Good luck Pete -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 11:38 AM To: 'Fred Light' ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Engine > Any > suggestions about > someone near SE Pa. that is reliable and not so costly. I'll bet that Fred Light fellow would do a good job. Seriously, it's not that hard. Does take a few special tools, but they aren't all that expensive. And you'll have the satisfaction of doing it yourself instead of just throwing money at it. I did my first TR3A engine rebuild when I was only 19, with no formal training at all, and after having botched the job on a couple of American engines. That engine still runs today! The TR motor is so simple and reliable, it's hard to screw it up. Worth a thought, anyway. Randall ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pryner at verizon.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (CFM-TR) Date: Sun, 04 May 2014 13:00:06 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3A Engine References: <66104FBBAD27496F8071DDBA653A6670@HomePC> Ditto. I consider myself a 'cookbook' mechanic and I feel comfortable with my '3 engine. The manuals are easy to follow. (get several different as it seemed that the overlap was useful). Take it slow and check everything twice before you move on to the next step. If you have others in the area that have been through it, they are a wealth of information, encouragement, and even quality control. Didn't feel as comfortable with the transmission so I spent the $ to have it done. in retrospect, I wish I had tried first. Carl -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pete Ryner Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 12:44 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Engine I totally agree with Randall, I've rebuilt many engines over the years and the Spitfire and TR-3 are among the easiest to do yourself. Are you changing pistons and liners? You'll have to find a good machine shop to have the machine work done, but there is nothing exotic about that. Toughest work may be having new hardened valve seats installed so you can use unleaded fuel with no worries. All of the parts are readily available and as Randall said, the tool costs are minimal. Many of the tools can be borrowed from Autozone or Advance Auto or the like. Good luck Pete -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 11:38 AM To: 'Fred Light' ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Engine > Any > suggestions about > someone near SE Pa. that is reliable and not so costly. I'll bet that Fred Light fellow would do a good job. Seriously, it's not that hard. Does take a few special tools, but they aren't all that expensive. And you'll have the satisfaction of doing it yourself instead of just throwing money at it. I did my first TR3A engine rebuild when I was only 19, with no formal training at all, and after having botched the job on a couple of American engines. That engine still runs today! The TR motor is so simple and reliable, it's hard to screw it up. Worth a thought, anyway. Randall ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pryner at verizon.net ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a at verizon.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: terryrs at comcast.net (terryrs at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 19:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR3A Rebuilt Engine I've forgotten. When we have the head off for maintenance, then put it back on again, do we run the engine just to warm up or maybe 20 mintues, before retorquing the head? Or do we do it at 2,000 miles and the oil change. Terry Smith >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech) Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 14:37:28 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3A Rebuilt Engine References: <933045018.1386716.1399231877998.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I re-torque after 200 miles. Bill B Sent from mobile Bill On May 4, 2014, at 2:31 PM, terryrs at comcast.net wrote: I've forgotten. When we have the head off for maintenance, then put it back on again, do we run the engine just to warm up or maybe 20 mintues, before retorquing the head? Or do we do it at 2,000 miles and the oil change. Terry Smith ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 20:53:49 -0400 Subject: [TR] Anybody installed RetroSport wheels on a TR4A I took my TR4A to it's first car show today and talked to a guy with a Sunbeam Tiger who had a 4-spoke aluminum wheel that looked really nice made by a company called RetroSport. It was kind of similar to the Konig Rewind look. Has anyone had any experience with these wheels? Specifically, I would be interested in finding out if I can install a set of 15x7 wheels without modifications to the suspension or adding spacers. I can get either a 0 or +3 offset. The Konig Rewinds are nice but I need to go to a 16 inch wheel and tire. I think if I stay with a 15 inch I would have a better chance of staying reasonably close to the standard Triumph wheel diameter which I think is 26" (someone correct me if I am wrong). The reason is I would like to keep the speedo reasonably accurate. Thanks, Dave Connitt >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon) Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 20:52:18 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3A Engine References: <66104FBBAD27496F8071DDBA653A6670@HomePC> <00b801cf67ba$4cd18050$e67480f0$@verizon.net> I'll chime in with the "do it yourself except the stuff you need to take to a machine shop" crowd. For the most part motors are pretty simple to take apart and put back together, like a jigsaw puzzle most of the stuff only can go back on the way it came off, however, it is important to put bearing caps and such back on the same place they came off, Couple of tips you don't always see in the books, although I didn't have one early on, later in my DIY "career" I bought a metal number punch set, to stamp numbers in to steel parts, sometimes part may already be numbered sometimes not, but nice to have the certainty of a number one stamped into the metal of number one con rod and number one con rod bearing cap, etc. Also not the most scientific, but spin it as you put each of the part back on (except with a TR engine have the liners held in place somehow if the head isn't on yet), if something is very wrong it will tell you, and better when spinning by hand than on start up. Find a good machine shop with an old timer and he will help walk you through the rebuild, nothing particularly exotic about a cast iron OHV four. You also have listservs and message boards when you get stuck, something many of us didn't have when we were starting out. Good Luck! Greg Lemon >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 07:59:31 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3A Engine References: <66104FBBAD27496F8071DDBA653A6670@HomePC> <00b801cf67ba$4cd18050$e67480f0$@verizon.net> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 1:00 PM, CFM-TR wrote: > Didn't feel as comfortable with the transmission so I spent the $ to have it > done. in retrospect, I wish I had tried first. I've got a TR6 transmission that I'm reassembling right now...other than a bit of finicky measuring, it's a surprisingly simple operation. You need to have a few uncommon tools that you can borrow or make, but it's not all that complicated. If you can assemble a bicycle on Christmas Eve, you can rebuild an engine or transmission. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 13:27:58 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 aeorscreens modification Hello. List: I'd like to put aeroscreens on the latest TR3 but the stanchion plates which bolt to the valance look really ugly. Has anyone come with a kind of blanking plate which could be used when the windscreen is off the car? Andrew Uprichard >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 13:41:14 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 aeorscreens modification References: <003101cf6887$61d18b30$2574a190$@uprichard.net> Don't most people just have the chromed mounting brackets bolts showing on the scuttle when the aeroscreens and brackets are off the car? You've seen, I assume, Andrew, the "original style" aeroscreen mounting brackets being sold by Peter Wigglesworth in the UK? http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44304-original-style-aeroscreen-mounting-brackets/?hl=aeroscreens Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > Hello. List: I'd like to put aeroscreens on the latest TR3 but the > stanchion plates which bolt to the valance look really ugly. Has anyone > come with a kind of blanking plate which could be used when the windscreen > is off the car? > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: allenhess at mgcarclub.com (Allen Hess) Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 16:04:00 -0400 Subject: [TR] Anybody installed RetroSport wheels on a TR4A References: I put on American Racing Silverstones 15 x 6 years ago. The 165-15 Michelin X that I measured was 79.75" (deflated) circumference, 25.4" diameter. I measured another brand that was a little smaller. I downloaded a tire size calculator and came up with 205-65-15. The calculator said a perfect match would be 205-64-15. (The calculator is just a spreadsheet but someone else was better at that than me.) Online tire size calculators are plentiful, just search. Most people say that the old tires had a profile equivalent to 80 and if you put that in the calculator 165-80-15 the circumference is 79.77". Best match for a 16" is 195-60-16, perfect match 195-61-16. I really don't think 15x7 would work. I had to reduce my turning lock to lock because the wheels scraped the end of the upper A arm. I would have been better off with 5.5" but if you want Silverstones you take what you can get. Allen TR4 On May 5, 2014, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote: > The Konig Rewinds are nice but I need to go to a 16 inch wheel and > tire. I > think if I stay with a 15 inch I would have a better chance of staying > reasonably close to the standard Triumph wheel diameter which I > think is 26" > (someone correct me if I am wrong). The reason is I would like to > keep the > speedo reasonably accurate. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 13:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] TR3 Engine Hi List! I've been away for awhile, because i sold my car to switzerland. I have lots of TR parts that I'l getting rid of by the end of this month, so if you need anything then E-mail me. Now to the meat of this E-mail: After I install the head to 105'#/SQ", I then start up the engine untill it's running up to normal temp. turn off the engine, remove RAPedistial with all Rocker Arms on it & torque head in proper sequension to 105'#/sq", then retorque head every 3,000 miles when you do the oil & filter change, etc. -Cosmo Kramer >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:02:22 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 aeorscreens modification References: <003101cf6887$61d18b30$2574a190$@uprichard.net> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Don Hiscock wrote: > > You've seen, I assume, Andrew, the "original style" aeroscreen mounting > brackets being sold by Peter Wigglesworth in the UK? > http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44304-original-style-aeroscreen-mounting-brackets/?hl=aeroscreens Apparently it costs $77.60 to view that picture.... >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:03:15 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 aeorscreens modification References: <003101cf6887$61d18b30$2574a190$@uprichard.net> Pushed the button too soon... Is this them? http://www.tr-register.co.uk/adverts.php?view=614&i=1 On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Don Hiscock wrote: >> >> You've seen, I assume, Andrew, the "original style" aeroscreen mounting >> brackets being sold by Peter Wigglesworth in the UK? >> http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44304-original-style-aeroscreen-mounting-brackets/?hl=aeroscreens > > Apparently it costs $77.60 to view that picture.... >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:18:37 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 aeorscreens modification References: <003101cf6887$61d18b30$2574a190$@uprichard.net> Yup, those are the ones. The original link I sent musta been to a thread in the members-only forum, yes? Didn't notice -- sorry. Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L On Monday, May 5, 2014, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Pushed the button too soon... > > Is this them? > > http://www.tr-register.co.uk/adverts.php?view=614&i=1 > > > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Jeff Scarbrough > > wrote: > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Don Hiscock > > wrote: > >> > >> You've seen, I assume, Andrew, the "original style" aeroscreen mounting > >> brackets being sold by Peter Wigglesworth in the UK? > >> > http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44304-original-style-aeroscreen-mounting-brackets/?hl=aeroscreens > > > > Apparently it costs $77.60 to view that picture.... > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: l1j1s at aol.com (Lawrence Schwartz) Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:31:44 -0400 Subject: [TR] Aeros List, I have a beautiful set of Aeros for sale. With respect to the team net protocol, if anyone is interested please contact me off list. l1j1s at aol.com Larry >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:52:54 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 aeorscreens modification References: <003101cf6887$61d18b30$2574a190$@uprichard.net> Sorry if I was unclear - but I am looking for something to replace the stanchion plates (or fill the empty holes if there are no plates) when I have aeroscreens on the car. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:28 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 aeorscreens modification Hello. List: I'd like to put aeroscreens on the latest TR3 but the stanchion plates which bolt to the valance look really ugly. Has anyone come with a kind of blanking plate which could be used when the windscreen is off the car? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard at uprichard.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: roadwarriordave at hotmail.com (Dave Murphy) Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 18:55:32 -0400 Subject: [TR] Anybody installed RetroSport wheels on a TR4A Dave, I have Panasport Light Weight 8 spoke 15" x 7", 0" offset mags on my TR6 shod with 215/60 BFG TA radials. The combination looks fantastic and fits fine without spacers. I expect the similarly dimensioned Retro Sport rims would fit a TR4A the same way. But my car stays in the garage mostly because the wide tires make it a chore to drive. The steering effort is so high when parking that I think I might tear a cartlige, pull a ligament or tendon, or agravate arthritis in my elbows every time I park. And it must be hard on all the steering joints too. Because I don't want to damage myself or the car, when parking, I don't turn the wheel quite as far as I could, and it probably takes five times as long to parallel park. I go back & forth, back & forth, back & forth, back & forth... Unlike with the standard 185 x 15 Michelin X, one needs both hands and all the force you can muster to park. Forget about letting your wife drive the car or leaving Starbucks with a Latte in one hand and steering with the other. And I have to really fight the wide tires when they follow ruts in the road. So it's looks versus drivability. If I had to do again, especially at my current arthritis-prone age, I'd stick to the 185 x 15's with rims of the same 3/8" (?) offset as came with car, and marvel at how nimble a TR is. -Dave Murphy, Dearborn Michigan. Message: 3 Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 20:53:49 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Subject: [TR] Anybody installed RetroSport wheels on a TR4A I took my TR4A to it's first car show today and talked to a guy with a Sunbeam Tiger who had a 4-spoke aluminum wheel that looked really nice made by a company called RetroSport. It was kind of similar to the Konig Rewind look. Has anyone had any experience with these wheels? Specifically, I would be interested in finding out if I can install a set of 15x7 wheels without modifications to the suspension or adding spacers. I can get either a 0 or +3 offset. The Konig Rewinds are nice but I need to go to a 16 inch wheel and tire. I think if I stay with a 15 inch I would have a better chance of staying reasonably close to the standard Triumph wheel diameter which I think is 26" (someone correct me if I am wrong). The reason is I would like to keep the speedo reasonably accurate. Thanks, Dave Connitt >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 19:58:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [TR] Seat belt restoration I have searched through the archives and seen this issue discussed, but the archive is returning a 404 page not found error for everything. I have contact to-date Ssnake Oyl Products, and Sharon Clifton who appears to have worked for them and is now doing her own restoration. If anyone has been down this road, I would appreciate your input. Craig 1972 Triumph TR6 On 04/29/14, thenicholls at verizon.net wrote: To the list, I am lucky enough to have the original seat belts installed by the factory on my 1972 Triumph TR6. The webbing is in fair shape, and the buckles are fairly good based on their age. What I am concerned about is the safety of the webbing. I see several restoration services out there, some of which still exist and others that don't. Has anyone on the list had a set of Triumph crested factory buckles restored by anyone they would like to recommend? Thanks, Craig 1972 Triumph TR6 Vienna, VA ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: bill_beecher at flash.net (bill_beecher at flash.net) Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 20:38:01 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 Windscreen Tenax Threads Just starting on the windscreen assembly for the TR3B and I find that the threads on the frame I bought, beautifully re-chromed, do not fit the tenax posts that came from my TR3B frame. They are much smaller and will not accept the post that I have from my 3B frame. I think the posts that I have are #10x32 threads, can anyone confirm that before I start drilling and tapping on this 'new' frame. Many thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) '67 Morgan 4/4 Comp (next in line) '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 02:22:57 +0000 Subject: [TR] TR3 aeorscreens modification References: <003101cf6887$61d18b30$2574a190$@uprichard.net> <005301cf68ac$6391b1f0$2ab515d0$@uprichard.net> Andrew, those attachment points and the guide plates are part of the cars character. You were supposed to drive to the race track with the windshield on, silk scarf blowing in the wind, young lady with a floral print frock and clutching onto her straw hat by your side. Once you got to the race track you removed the windshield and drove like a maniac with the aeroscreens only until the race was over. At that time you re-attach the windshield and sedately drive the young lady home for tea and crumpets on the croquet lawn. Show the guide plates off with pride. Stan -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 5:53 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 aeorscreens modification Sorry if I was unclear - but I am looking for something to replace the stanchion plates (or fill the empty holes if there are no plates) when I have aeroscreens on the car. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:28 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 aeorscreens modification Hello. List: I'd like to put aeroscreens on the latest TR3 but the stanchion plates which bolt to the valance look really ugly. Has anyone come with a kind of blanking plate which could be used when the windscreen is off the car? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard at uprichard.net ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/stan.foster at hp.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (Jonas Payne) Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 09:47:53 -0700 Subject: [TR] Identifying Engine, Rear and Trans for TR3 I cleaned up my 57 TR3 Smallmouth project enough to identify the Engine, Trans and Rear End #'s I'm trying to figure out if the numbers are even generally associated with the car or if they may be a mix of items from other cars. If nothing else, it appears that I have a TR3 transmission with a later TR4 top and shifter. Does anybody have a list of approximate ranges / years for these items or will I need to shell out the $ for the BMH certificate? Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:12:26 -0500 Subject: [TR] Identifying Engine, Rear and Trans for TR3 References: <009901cf694a$ed290aa0$c77b1fe0$@cox.net> If you will read the Judging rules from the VTR website it tries to explain that the numbers can easily be several hundred units apart and still be original to the car. For example, my TR3B is TCF2549 with engine TCF2391E and Trans TSF3022(TSF number got a 500 unit head start in the TR3B line, no number for the diff. My '58 TR3A was TS30766 with engine TS31314E, trans TS30741 and diff TS31316. It is typically assumed that because engines were pulled off line for other reasons, failures, replacements and sales to Morgan Motors for their Plus Four the engine number will always be higher than the commission number. Hope this helps, bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonas Payne Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 11:48 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Identifying Engine, Rear and Trans for TR3 I cleaned up my 57 TR3 Smallmouth project enough to identify the Engine, Trans and Rear End #'s I'm trying to figure out if the numbers are even generally associated with the car or if they may be a mix of items from other cars. If nothing else, it appears that I have a TR3 transmission with a later TR4 top and shifter. Does anybody have a list of approximate ranges / years for these items or will I need to shell out the $ for the BMH certificate? Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: Loumetelko at aol.com (Loumetelko at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 20:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Identifying Engine, Rear and Trans for TR3 I cleaned up my 57 TR3 Smallmouth project enough to identify the Engine, Trans and Rear End #'s Does anybody have a list of approximate ranges / years for these items or will I need to shell out the $ for the BMH certificate? Jonas Payne: The BMIHT does not list the transmission nor differential numbers, only the engine number. It is generally accepted that if those two numbers are within a couple hundred of the car's Commission number then they are original and no one will argue. Lou Metelko Auburn, Indiana 54 TR2LD >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 09:34:11 -0400 Subject: [TR] part inquiry Hello, My stock oil filter assembly is leaking a bit. I looked up the part on the TR3 parts pdf and it lists it as part # 500321. Is this the correct part for the 58 version of the oil filter assembly? The Purolator verion? Thanks, Bob >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: Gel1500 at aol.com (Gel1500 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 07:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Triumph Spitfire Parts Sale for Charity The Richmond Triumph Register Car Club (RTR) will be selling Triumph Spitfire 1500 parts, as well as other Triumph parts, at the Carlisle Import and Kit Car Nationals in Carlisle, PA Friday, May 16 through Sunday, May 18. Proceeds from the Spitfire parts sale will be donated to the Massey Cancer Center at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond. We are restoring a 1976 Spitfire for sale, proceeds also going to the charity, and in the process are parting out another complete Spitfire, including other Spitfire parts donated by our members. Hundreds of Spitfire parts for sale, including hood, hardtop, doors, gearboxes, engines, suspension parts, interior and exterior trim, seats, and hard to find parts. Look for us at Space D 46 in the vending area. Some TR3 and TR7/8 parts will also be for sale. For more information, or to ask about specific parts needed, contact gt6parts at aol.com. Thanks! >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 07:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Parts for SALE-- Garage Sale! -Cosmo Kramer >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 08:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] TR Parts for ssale- Garage Sale! -Cosmo Kramer >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 08:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] TR Parts for sale- Garage sale Hi List! OK, 3rd time try on sending this. I'm having a garage sale on 5-24-14 from 10:00-> 14:00 on May 24-2014 @ afriends barn: 433 Gallup Rd Spencerport, NY 14559 What ever dosen't sell & I don't keep (IF I do keep anything),will be scrapped! So some things will be going for penny's on the dollar. If you want something shipped to you, then YOU pay for shipping + (we can talk about the (+), by E-mail or phone:716-833-3734) EVERYTHING MUST GO by the end of May 31-14! -Cosmo Kramer >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 11:53:05 -0700 Subject: [TR] Have I blown a gasket? Hello list: Following a club run last weekend, I did some basic testing on the TR4. Found that plugs #1 and #2 were fouled, especially #2, which had an oil drip on its tip. Proceeded to check the compression : 110 on #1 & 2; 156 on #3&4. Then I remembered something peculiar at the Webers. The front carb , feeding the front cylinders, has for a while not seemed fully effective; eg, you can't choke off engine by blocking one or both throats, whereas choking either of the rear throats will stall the engine. Finally, I do have to top off the radiator more than would seem usual, with no leakage apparent. So - Have I blown the gasket? Or perhaps it wasn't seated properly in the first place. I reassembled this engine some 5 years ago, so anything is possible. Compression readings four years ago were 135, 130, 130, 135 (cold) - close enough. The readings above were done on a warm engine and were the same wet and dry. Your thoughts? And thanks, as always. John Howard >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 12:39:49 -0700 Subject: [TR] Have I blown a gasket? References: John - You may be right, but I would check all valve clearances before getting into the head. Also, a leak-down test may tell you more than just a compression test. Geo On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > Hello list: > > Following a club run last weekend, I did some basic testing on the TR4. > Found that plugs #1 and #2 were fouled, especially #2, which had an oil > drip on its tip. Proceeded to check the compression : 110 on #1 & 2; 156 on > #3&4. Then I remembered something peculiar at the Webers. The front carb , > feeding the front cylinders, has for a while not seemed fully effective; > eg, you can't choke off engine by blocking one or both throats, whereas > choking either of the rear throats will stall the engine. Finally, I do > have to top off the radiator more than would seem usual, with no leakage > apparent. > > So - Have I blown the gasket? Or perhaps it wasn't seated properly in the > first place. I reassembled this engine some 5 years ago, so anything is > possible. Compression readings four years ago were 135, 130, 130, 135 > (cold) - close enough. The readings above were done on a warm engine and > were the same wet and dry. > > Your thoughts? And thanks, as always. > > John Howard > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 13:39:56 -0600 Subject: [TR] Have I blown a gasket? References: Sounds like you've been basically running on two and the occasional 3, maybe 4. You didn't mention how it ran before you started your testing. Sounds like a head gasket could be blown, but you might have an intake manifold leak too that could mess with the carbs, foul the plugs, gum up the valves, and affect the compression or all of the above also. You can always try re- torquing the head and seeing if that helps, but since you have to take the rockers off anyhow you might as well do a new head gasket if it points to that. What color is the exhaust? Ask whoever might have been following you on the run if they noticed any colors from your tailpipe? Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On May 8, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > Hello list: > > Following a club run last weekend, I did some basic testing on the > TR4. > Found that plugs #1 and #2 were fouled, especially #2, which had an > oil > drip on its tip. Proceeded to check the compression : 110 on #1 & 2; > 156 on > #3&4. Then I remembered something peculiar at the Webers. The front > carb , > feeding the front cylinders, has for a while not seemed fully > effective; > eg, you can't choke off engine by blocking one or both throats, > whereas > choking either of the rear throats will stall the engine. Finally, I > do > have to top off the radiator more than would seem usual, with no > leakage > apparent. > > So - Have I blown the gasket? Or perhaps it wasn't seated properly > in the > first place. I reassembled this engine some 5 years ago, so anything > is > possible. Compression readings four years ago were 135, 130, 130, 135 > (cold) - close enough. The readings above were done on a warm engine > and > were the same wet and dry. > > Your thoughts? And thanks, as always. > > John Howard > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi at comcast.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 13:09:33 -0700 Subject: [TR] Have I blown a gasket? References: <755F98A3-8B1D-4C7C-B503-884184B1BB31@comcast.net> Thank you Geo and Bud and Phil I have to ask - how do I do a leak-down test? The exhaust is definitely white. No droplets there, as far as I can tell. John On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Bud R wrote: > Sounds like you've been basically running on two and the occasional 3, > maybe 4. You didn't mention how it ran before you started your testing. > > Sounds like a head gasket could be blown, but you might have an intake > manifold leak too that could mess with the carbs, foul the plugs, gum up > the valves, and affect the compression or all of the above also. > > You can always try re- torquing the head and seeing if that helps, but > since you have to take the rockers off anyhow you might as well do a new > head gasket if it points to that. What color is the exhaust? Ask whoever > might have been following you on the run if they noticed any colors from > your tailpipe? > > > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 8, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > > Hello list: > > Following a club run last weekend, I did some basic testing on the TR4. > Found that plugs #1 and #2 were fouled, especially #2, which had an oil > drip on its tip. Proceeded to check the compression : 110 on #1 & 2; 156 on > #3&4. Then I remembered something peculiar at the Webers. The front carb , > feeding the front cylinders, has for a while not seemed fully effective; > eg, you can't choke off engine by blocking one or both throats, whereas > choking either of the rear throats will stall the engine. Finally, I do > have to top off the radiator more than would seem usual, with no leakage > apparent. > > So - Have I blown the gasket? Or perhaps it wasn't seated properly in the > first place. I reassembled this engine some 5 years ago, so anything is > possible. Compression readings four years ago were 135, 130, 130, 135 > (cold) - close enough. The readings above were done on a warm engine and > were the same wet and dry. > > Your thoughts? And thanks, as always. > > John Howard > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi at comcast.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 14:22:42 -0600 Subject: [TR] Have I blown a gasket? References: <755F98A3-8B1D-4C7C-B503-884184B1BB31@comcast.net> White is bad. Best to have a shop do the leakdown test and have them include the cost of it in the repair of a head gasket if needed, which it sounds like IS needed. Bud Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On May 8, 2014, at 2:09 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > Thank you Geo and Bud and Phil > > I have to ask - how do I do a leak-down test? > > The exhaust is definitely white. No droplets there, as far as I can > tell. > > John > > > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Bud R wrote: > Sounds like you've been basically running on two and the occasional > 3, maybe 4. You didn't mention how it ran before you started your > testing. > > Sounds like a head gasket could be blown, but you might have an > intake manifold leak too that could mess with the carbs, foul the > plugs, gum up the valves, and affect the compression or all of the > above also. > > You can always try re- torquing the head and seeing if that helps, > but since you have to take the rockers off anyhow you might as well > do a new head gasket if it points to that. What color is the > exhaust? Ask whoever might have been following you on the run if > they noticed any colors from your tailpipe? > > > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 8, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > >> Hello list: >> >> Following a club run last weekend, I did some basic testing on the >> TR4. >> Found that plugs #1 and #2 were fouled, especially #2, which had >> an oil >> drip on its tip. Proceeded to check the compression : 110 on #1 & >> 2; 156 on >> #3&4. Then I remembered something peculiar at the Webers. The >> front carb , >> feeding the front cylinders, has for a while not seemed fully >> effective; >> eg, you can't choke off engine by blocking one or both throats, >> whereas >> choking either of the rear throats will stall the engine. Finally, >> I do >> have to top off the radiator more than would seem usual, with no >> leakage >> apparent. >> >> So - Have I blown the gasket? Or perhaps it wasn't seated properly >> in the >> first place. I reassembled this engine some 5 years ago, so >> anything is >> possible. Compression readings four years ago were 135, 130, 130, 135 >> (cold) - close enough. The readings above were done on a warm >> engine and >> were the same wet and dry. >> >> Your thoughts? And thanks, as always. >> >> John Howard >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi at comcast.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 21:33:58 +0000 Subject: [TR] Have I blown a gasket? ---- Lee&John Howard wrote: > Hello list: > > Following a club run last weekend, I did some basic testing on the TR4. > Found that plugs #1 and #2 were fouled, especially #2, which had an oil > drip on its tip. That seems fairly damning to me. I think you've got worse than a blown head gasket. Unless you've added a direct oil feed to the rocker shaft, I think you're going to find a broken piston or maybe just broken rings. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 14:56:29 -0700 Subject: [TR] Have I blown a gasket? References: <20140508213358.W03QU.219880.root@cdptpa-web02> Holy smokes - broken piston or rings? this engine is virtually new! If so, I have only yours truly to blame. I'll do the leak-down, just to confirm that its a cylinder issue, then check the valve train, then remove the head and examine the gasket. If it is blown, can I stop there, or should I drop the pan and inspect the pistons? John On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Randall wrote: > > ---- Lee&John Howard wrote: > > Hello list: > > > > Following a club run last weekend, I did some basic testing on the TR4. > > Found that plugs #1 and #2 were fouled, especially #2, which had an oil > > drip on its tip. > > That seems fairly damning to me. I think you've got worse than a blown > head gasket. Unless you've added a direct oil feed to the rocker shaft, I > think you're going to find a broken piston or maybe just broken rings. > > Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 22:10:28 +0000 Subject: [TR] Have I blown a gasket? ---- Lee&John Howard wrote: > Holy smokes - broken piston or rings? this engine is virtually new! If so, > I have only yours truly to blame. > I'll do the leak-down, just to confirm that its a cylinder issue, then > check the valve train, then remove the head and examine the gasket. If it > is blown, can I stop there, or should I drop the pan and inspect the > pistons? Hard to say, but if it were my engine, that is what I would do. Dropping the pan isn't that hard, and I think it unlikely that you are getting that much oil (enough to drop from the plug) past the head gasket. I knew I had a problem (from the huge clouds of oil smoke chasing me down the freeway), but this engine was still running: http://tinyurl.com/jw3v4av Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: pryner at verizon.net (Pete Ryner) Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 18:17:50 -0400 Subject: [TR] Have I blown a gasket? References: <20140508221028.MMIQI.220997.root@cdptpa-web02> If the compression is the same wet and dry and it is a fairly fresh engine I wouldn't bother with a leak down test. The head has to come off anyway. By the sounds of the symptoms, the problem should be obvious. Just my $.02 Pete -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 6:10 PM To: Lee&John Howard Cc: triumph list list Subject: Re: [TR] Have I blown a gasket? ---- Lee&John Howard wrote: > Holy smokes - broken piston or rings? this engine is virtually new! If so, > I have only yours truly to blame. > I'll do the leak-down, just to confirm that its a cylinder issue, then > check the valve train, then remove the head and examine the gasket. If it > is blown, can I stop there, or should I drop the pan and inspect the > pistons? Hard to say, but if it were my engine, that is what I would do. Dropping the pan isn't that hard, and I think it unlikely that you are getting that much oil (enough to drop from the plug) past the head gasket. I knew I had a problem (from the huge clouds of oil smoke chasing me down the freeway), but this engine was still running: http://tinyurl.com/jw3v4av Randall ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pryner at verizon.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 15:21:15 -0700 Subject: [TR] Have I blown a gasket? References: <20140508213358.W03QU.219880.root@cdptpa-web02> OTOH -- I didn't hang my hat on "...Found that plugs #1 and #2 were fouled, especially #2, which had an oil drip on its tip.". I'm sure you saw a drop of something, but you also said " I do have to top off the radiator more than would seem usual, with no leakage apparent.". Coolant dripping off a badly sooted plug can look something like dirty oil. I think there is a fair chance you have a simple blown headgasket getting coolant into that cylinder. Have you smelled the exhaust? Such a coolant leak may present itself as a sweet smell at the tailpipe (can make you hungry for pancakes). Tine will tell but there is a chance that it is something straight forward and easily repaired. Geo On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > Holy smokes - broken piston or rings? this engine is virtually new! If so, > I have only yours truly to blame. > I'll do the leak-down, just to confirm that its a cylinder issue, then > check the valve train, then remove the head and examine the gasket. If it > is blown, can I stop there, or should I drop the pan and inspect the > pistons? > > John > > > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Randall wrote: > > > > > ---- Lee&John Howard wrote: > > > Hello list: > > > > > > Following a club run last weekend, I did some basic testing on the TR4. > > > Found that plugs #1 and #2 were fouled, especially #2, which had an > oil > > > drip on its tip. > > > > That seems fairly damning to me. I think you've got worse than a blown > > head gasket. Unless you've added a direct oil feed to the rocker shaft, > I > > think you're going to find a broken piston or maybe just broken rings. > > > > Randall > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 15:49:03 -0700 Subject: [TR] Have I blown a gasket? References: <20140508213358.W03QU.219880.root@cdptpa-web02> Just applied the smell test. A few deep breaths near knocked me out, but no sweet smell could I detect. I also seem to remember thinking the color of the oil I changed out a month ago was weird, with a milky tinge, but I chalked that up to the oil having sat still all winter. Another sign of blown gasket I guess. On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > OTOH -- I didn't hang my hat on "...Found that plugs #1 and #2 were > fouled, especially #2, which had an oil drip on its tip.". > > I'm sure you saw a drop of something, but you also said " I do have to > top off the radiator more than would seem usual, with no leakage > apparent.". > > Coolant dripping off a badly sooted plug can look something like dirty oil. > > I think there is a fair chance you have a simple blown headgasket getting > coolant into that cylinder. Have you smelled the exhaust? Such a coolant > leak may present itself as a sweet smell at the tailpipe (can make you > hungry for pancakes). > > Tine will tell but there is a chance that it is something straight forward > and easily repaired. > > Geo > > > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > >> Holy smokes - broken piston or rings? this engine is virtually new! If so, >> I have only yours truly to blame. >> I'll do the leak-down, just to confirm that its a cylinder issue, then >> check the valve train, then remove the head and examine the gasket. If it >> is blown, can I stop there, or should I drop the pan and inspect the >> pistons? >> >> John >> >> >> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Randall wrote: >> >> > >> > ---- Lee&John Howard wrote: >> > > Hello list: >> > > >> > > Following a club run last weekend, I did some basic testing on the >> TR4. >> > > Found that plugs #1 and #2 were fouled, especially #2, which had an >> oil >> > > drip on its tip. >> > >> > That seems fairly damning to me. I think you've got worse than a blown >> > head gasket. Unless you've added a direct oil feed to the rocker >> shaft, I >> > think you're going to find a broken piston or maybe just broken rings. >> > >> > Randall >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 16:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Have I blown a gasket? Hi Lee! Im sorry to say that the more I read on the Digerst List, the more I feel you have a blown Head Gasket, (amout #1&2 carbs troubles). Try draining 1 min.oil, worth of 'drain time, & plug the engine. Let sit for a day & observe: Vol. colour, taste, smell, feel, etc. That will give you a better understanding of what's INSIDE the engine. Lets face it! The first thing you will do in the engine rebuilding (head in this case) is to drain the oil & throw away the filter. You sould put in cheap 30 Wt. non- drtergent oil & run to engine temp. & drain IMEDIATLY! to flush out the oils system. Then, to head change or what ever. Just my 2cents! :>) -Cosmo Kramer >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: pete_groh at yahoo.com (Pete Groh) Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 10:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Lead to 75' Triumph Spitfire car, with O/D At our Car Coffee meeting this morning have a lead for a 1975 Triumph Spitfire with O/D for $3200.00 or Best Offer. The car was stored for a number of years with the prior owner paying over $30,000.00. Believe he has extra Spitfire engine and Misc parts. The car was recently purchase in a lot of 3 Triumph cars. He sold the TR3 for $2500.00 and still has a early 58' TR3 small mouth. All car have good titles. If you have any interest, can contact Lou Hegler, Aston MD 20861 I am sending a copy of this e-mail to Lou. carsforever at gmail.com Pictures will be sent on request. Pete Groh (KeyGuy) Ellicott City MD >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta) Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 12:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] 1960 Triumph TR3A tire questions So I think it's time for new tires for my TR3A-1960. The current tires are Michelin 165 SR 15 on wire wheels. As a kid, I seem to remember that the tires had inner tubes. How do I determine when I need tires, if they need new inner tubes? Ann >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 21:32:59 +0000 Subject: [TR] 1960 Triumph TR3A tire questions ---- Ann Carletta wrote: > So I think it's time for new tires for my TR3A-1960. The current tires are Michelin 165 SR 15 on wire wheels. > As a kid, I seem to remember that the tires had inner tubes. How do I determine when I need tires, if they need new inner tubes? Usually just a visual on the tubes will tell you, assuming they still hold air. Any signs of deterioration, like cracking around the base of the valve stem, is cause for replacement. Also pinch a fold of tube in your fingers and see if any cracks show up that way. There's actually something to be said for just replacing them every time, depending on how often you change tires. Lots of people don't drive their TRs enough to wear out a set of modern radial tires within a decade, and tubes don't live much longer than tires do. Just like the tires, the tubes get old even if you don't drive the car. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 18:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Wiper mounts List, What's the secret to getting new rubber wiper motor mounts installed. Difficult to believe the original Lucas parts were as hard as these repros. Ed Woods >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: gpr at key-men.com (George Richardson) Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 14:37:08 -0400 Subject: [TR] Wiper mounts References: <23877821.1546332.1399746196666.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> On what car? George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com 1957 Triumph TR3 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 1975 Triumph TR6 1997 Land Rover Discovery On 5/10/2014 2:23 PM, fogbro1 at comcast.net wrote: > List, > > What's the secret to getting new rubber wiper motor mounts installed. Difficult to believe the original Lucas parts were as hard as these repros. > > Ed Woods > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr at key-men.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 19:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Wiper mounts TR3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Richardson" To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 2:37:08 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Wiper mounts On what car? George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com 1957 Triumph TR3 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 1975 Triumph TR6 1997 Land Rover Discovery On 5/10/2014 2:23 PM, fogbro1 at comcast.net wrote: > List, > > B What's the secret to getting new rubber wiper motor mounts installed. Difficult to believe the original Lucas parts were as hard as these repros. > > Ed Woods > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr at key-men.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fogbro1 at comcast.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tfansher at comcast.net (Thomas Fansher) Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 15:06:32 -0400 Subject: [TR] Wiper mounts References: <23877821.1546332.1399746196666.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <536E71D4.9070700@key-men.com> Soak in hot water and use liquid soap. Tom Sent from my iPhone > On May 10, 2014, at 2:37 PM, George Richardson wrote: > > On what car? > > George Richardson > Key Men - Keys for Classics > www.key-men.com > > 1957 Triumph TR3 > 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 > 1975 Triumph TR6 > 1997 Land Rover Discovery > >> On 5/10/2014 2:23 PM, fogbro1 at comcast.net wrote: >> List, >> >> What's the secret to getting new rubber wiper motor mounts installed. Difficult to believe the original Lucas parts were as hard as these repros. >> >> Ed Woods >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: cliff_hansen at earthlink.net (Cliff Hansen) Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 16:59:18 -0600 Subject: [TR] Wiper mounts References: <23877821.1546332.1399746196666.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <536E71D4.9070700@key-men.com> Agree with Tom. Assuming they are similar to those on a TR4A, I also used a dull flat screwdriver. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Fansher Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 1:06 PM To: George Richardson Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Wiper mounts Soak in hot water and use liquid soap. Tom Sent from my iPhone > On May 10, 2014, at 2:37 PM, George Richardson wrote: > > On what car? > > George Richardson > Key Men - Keys for Classics > www.key-men.com > > 1957 Triumph TR3 > 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 > 1975 Triumph TR6 > 1997 Land Rover Discovery > >> On 5/10/2014 2:23 PM, fogbro1 at comcast.net wrote: >> List, >> >> What's the secret to getting new rubber wiper motor mounts installed. Difficult to believe the original Lucas parts were as hard as these repros. >> >> Ed Woods ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen at earthlink.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 23:49:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Wiper mounts List, The Moss wiper mount rubber's simply are too hard to deform sufficiently to enter the holes on the bracket. The originals are quite soft by comparison. I had one from Vicky Brit which turned out to be pliable enough to fit, using a flat bladed screwdriver and soap. The Moss insert did not respond to the hot water treatment. I will order a pair from Vicky Brit. By the way, the washers supplied with the Moss kit are incorrect as well. What is so difficult about sending an original to your Taiwanese supplier, saying: "Make It Just Like This"? Ed Woods ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "list Triumph" Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 6:59:18 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Wiper mounts Agree with Tom. B Assuming they are similar to those on a TR4A, I also used a dull flat screwdriver. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Fansher Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 1:06 PM To: George Richardson Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Wiper mounts Soak in hot water and use liquid soap. Tom Sent from my iPhone > On May 10, 2014, at 2:37 PM, George Richardson wrote: > > On what car? > > George Richardson > Key Men - Keys for Classics > www.key-men.com > > 1957 Triumph TR3 > 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 > 1975 Triumph TR6 > 1997 Land Rover Discovery > >> On 5/10/2014 2:23 PM, fogbro1 at comcast.net wrote: >> List, >> >> B What's the secret to getting new rubber wiper motor mounts installed. Difficult to believe the original Lucas parts were as hard as these repros. >> >> Ed Woods ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen at earthlink.net ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fogbro1 at comcast.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 08:15:48 -0400 Subject: [TR] Wiper mounts References: <911537607.1548785.1399765747720.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I did a set from Moss almost a year ago on a TR3. PIA to install but they did install and had no issue fitting to the car. I almost wonder if you got incorrect parts or maybe they changed a Vendor. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 10:01:01 -0400 Subject: [TR] Identifying Engine, Rear and Trans for TR3 References: <009901cf694a$ed290aa0$c77b1fe0$@cox.net> For what it's worth, my early 1954 tr2's engine is almost 200 higher than the commission number. Chris >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net) Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 11:20:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [TR] Fwd: The Roadster Factory Extra: Double Sweetener This Weekend... Extra 5% off on TRF parts till tonight. It was a mistake. Craig 72 Triumph TR6 ----------Original Message---------- From: TRF Web Specials Date: May 9, 2014 5:59:31 PM Subject: The Roadster Factory Extra: Double Sweetener This Weekend... To: trfspecials at zeni.net This weekend?s Sweeteners are so good you might think we?ve made a mistake?And we have! But our mistake is your gain until 8:00 A.M. Monday morning! Save 5% on Regular and Sale Pricing Pay $5.00 Shipping (restrictions apply) Plus, get more parts credit based on the value of your order. -- The Roadster Factory: http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/ Photo of the Week: http://www.zeni. net/potw.php -- This is an approximately weekly mailing to patrons of The Roadster Factory, PO Box 332, Armagh PA 15920. To unsubscribe at any time, use this link from the address that you are subscribed under: Unsubscribe >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: jdemuth at mac.com (Joe DeMuth) Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 16:04:57 -0500 Subject: [TR] Wiper mounts Don't make yourself crazy, just cut them in half and install from the top and bottom. Who will ever know? Sent from my iPad >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta) Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 15:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Thanks for the tire advice Thanks to everyone who sent advice on the tires. I found the same tires I had on Coker's site. After all your feedback I called back and added the new inner tubes and the piece that protects the tubes/tire from the inner spokes of the wire wheels. Took a few calls to get someone who can install wire wheels. While the tread on the tires looked okay, turns out they are 2003 and they were beginning to crack, which is why I started looking for them to begin with. Just waiting for delivery and then installation. Thanks again for all you help. Ann 1960 TR 3A >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: hpspitfire at gmail.com (Aaron) Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 11:07:16 -0700 Subject: [TR] Spitfire parts at Carlisle A friend of mine asked me to post this. He has a large spitfire parts collection he is starting to sell. Fot Please post something on te FOT that a former racer/collector of triumph spit/gt6 will be at the Carlisle import swap this weekend looking to clear out big parts of his collection. He has competition/race parts you can ask about, and he'll have a large collection of mech and body and trim parts at the show. You can give them the email srcypher at yahoo.com Thanks >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: john.a.wise at mac.com (John Wise) Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 15:38:16 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3a Hood Dzus Fastener References: <1AC8C799-82E6-464A-8A4F-696A0EC99109@gmail.com> I was trying to align the left right height on my TR3As hood, and realized that the right Dzus Fastener had a thin washer between its cap & the top of hood & the Dzus Fastener, while the left one does not. I ant to Lowes and could not find a washer with both the proper outside diameter and hole size. I bought one with the correct outside diameter but have not been able to drily it out. I was thinking that something like gasket material or a plastic washer might be easier to work with and protect the hoods paint. Any suggestions would be appreciated! John John Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 TR3A http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html 1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine) http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: agraham at execulink.com (Angelo Graham) Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 15:51:05 -0400 Subject: [TR] Dayton wire wheels - quality issues? Hello List: Scouting around for a set of new wires for my '2. I would like to upgrade to 60 spokes and possibly a tubeless rim. I thought that Dayton would be the logical choice, but some of our local Healey guys have reported quality issues with some recent Daytons. Any credence to these stories? I I can't think of an alternative to the Daytons, given the very real quality issues associated with the Indian made Dunlops. Someone did mention an Anglo/Indian wheel assembled in the UK, but I couldn't find any info on these wheels. Thanks for any insights on this one. Angelo Graham >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 19:53:07 +0000 Subject: [TR] TR3a Hood Dzus Fastener ---- John Wise wrote: > I was trying to align the left right height on my TR3As hood, and realized > that the right Dzus Fastener had a thin washer between its cap & the top of > hood & the Dzus Fastener, while the left one does not. Could you be looking at the remains of the aluminum sleeve/grommet that goes there? They are available new from the usual suspects. Or, get some measurements and check out MMC or Fastenal, etc. for what you want. Eg, http://www.mcmaster.com/#95606a480/=rz9wg9 Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr250driver at gmail.com (darrell floyd) Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 15:56:57 -0400 Subject: [TR] Dayton wire wheels - quality issues? References: <53751AA9.4080501@execulink.com> Angelo, I have the tubeless 60 spoke Daytons on my TR250. They are a few years old now so not "recent" but I have had no quality issues with them at all. Cheers, Darrell On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Angelo Graham wrote: > Hello List: > Scouting around for a set of new wires for my '2. I would like to upgrade > to 60 spokes and possibly a tubeless rim. I thought that Dayton would be > the logical choice, but some of our local Healey guys have reported quality > issues with some recent Daytons. Any credence to these stories? I > I can't think of an alternative to the Daytons, given the very real > quality issues associated with the Indian made Dunlops. > Someone did mention an Anglo/Indian wheel assembled in the UK, but I > couldn't find any info on these wheels. > Thanks for any insights on this one. > Angelo Graham > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/triumphs/tr250driver at gmail.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech) Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 15:23:31 -0500 Subject: [TR] Dayton wire wheels - quality issues? References: <53751AA9.4080501@execulink.com> I had a set of 60 Spoke Dunlops on my '3 for about 4,000 miles before I sold the car, no problems. I did have them shipped directly to Hendrix Wire Wheel for a good checking before mounting them on the car. Sent from mobile Bill On May 15, 2014, at 2:51 PM, Angelo Graham wrote: Hello List: Scouting around for a set of new wires for my '2. I would like to upgrade to 60 spokes and possibly a tubeless rim. I thought that Dayton would be the logical choice, but some of our local Healey guys have reported quality issues with some recent Daytons. Any credence to these stories? I I can't think of an alternative to the Daytons, given the very real quality issues associated with the Indian made Dunlops. Someone did mention an Anglo/Indian wheel assembled in the UK, but I couldn't find any info on these wheels. Thanks for any insights on this one. Angelo Graham ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech) Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 15:26:24 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3a Hood Dzus Fastener References: <1AC8C799-82E6-464A-8A4F-696A0EC99109@gmail.com> You can buy that washer through TRF or Moss. Or, you may be able to make you adjust with extra packing under the bracket that attaches to the inner wing. Sent from mobile Bill On May 15, 2014, at 2:38 PM, John Wise wrote: I was trying to align the left right height on my TR3As hood, and realized that the right Dzus Fastener had a thin washer between its cap & the top of hood & the Dzus Fastener, while the left one does not. I ant to Lowes and could not find a washer with both the proper outside diameter and hole size. I bought one with the correct outside diameter but have not been able to drily it out. I was thinking that something like gasket material or a plastic washer might be easier to work with and protect the hoods paint. Any suggestions would be appreciated! John John Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 TR3A http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html 1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine) http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech) Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 22:07:06 -0500 Subject: [TR] Kastner What great house full of TRs here at Eagles Canyon Raceway. Who on the List is here, or still coming? Would like to put as many faces to familiar names as I can this weekend. Sadly, I don't have a drivable TR at the moment so if I don't run into you in the TR paddock I'll be across the way with a pair of purple Mini Coopers or riding a gold 1950 Douglas motorcycle around. Hope to see ya, Bill >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 03:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Kastner Hi Bill, Is it a Douglas Dragonfly? Are the Minis the classic version? I'm happy for you making the trip to Eagles Canyon and the Kastner Cup race. Sadly, this is the first Kastner Cup I've missed since Watkins Glen in '08. Keep us informed of the action. Dave H. Santa Cruz,Ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wbeech" To: "car discussion Sports Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:07:06 PM Subject: [TR] Kastner What great house full of TRs here at Eagles Canyon Raceway. Who on the List is here, or still coming? Would like to put as many faces to familiar names as I can this weekend. Sadly, I don't have a drivable TR at the moment so if I don't run into you in the TR paddock I'll be across the way with a pair of purple Mini Coopers or riding a gold 1950 Douglas motorcycle around. Hope to see ya, Bill ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 10:33:50 -0400 Subject: [TR] part inq. follow up References: <536A3653.8030909@adelphia.net> Just a follow up on my query a few days ago. Yes part # 500321 was the correct part. It was a bit taller than the one extracted but it looks like it will compress to insure a good seal around the bolt. Removal of the old seal was trouble free. Just a circlip. Installed new filter and ran for about 10 minutes with no drip. Funny, the part was only 57 years old and only heaven knows how many oil changes before it started to fail. Bob Hello, My stock oil filter assembly is leaking a bit. I looked up the part on the TR3 parts pdf and it lists it as part # 500321. Is this the correct part for the 58 version of the oil filter assembly? The Purolator verion? Thanks, Bob >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: bjzwissler at gmail.com (Benjamin Zwissler) Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 20:36:58 -0400 Subject: [TR] Dayton wire wheels - quality issues? I bought the painted Dunlop 60 spokes for my TR4A about three years ago and have been very happy. After hearing lots of stories about the bad quality of the Dunlop's I was a little afraid of them. But the story I got at the time was that the painted Dunlop's are better than the Dayton's now. Got them from Moss, took them to my local tire shop that I've had do lots of wire wheels for me and they mounted and balanced the tires. No tubes, no issues with about 5000 miles on them. Very smooth up to 70+ mph. Ben.... On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 2:00 PM, wrote: > Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 15:51:05 -0400 > From: Angelo Graham > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Dayton wire wheels - quality issues? > Message-ID: <53751AA9.4080501 at execulink.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hello List: > Scouting around for a set of new wires for my '2. I would like to > upgrade to 60 spokes and possibly a tubeless rim. I thought that Dayton > would be the logical choice, but some of our local Healey guys have > reported quality issues with some recent Daytons. Any credence to these > stories? I > I can't think of an alternative to the Daytons, given the very real > quality issues associated with the Indian made Dunlops. > Someone did mention an Anglo/Indian wheel assembled in the UK, but I > couldn't find any info on these wheels. > Thanks for any insights on this one. > Angelo Graham >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: alansalvy at gmail.com (alan salvatore) Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 20:45:08 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR6 Parts needed I am looking for a good main wire harness for a 1976 TR6, and a good black seat bottom for 72-76. Email me back with price if you have either. Thanks, Al Salvatore >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 01:49:21 +0000 Subject: [TR] Kastner References: I'm here in tr4 number 95, red with white stripes. Tony Drews Quoting Wbeech : > What great house full of TRs here at Eagles Canyon Raceway. Who on > the List is > here, or still coming? Would like to put as many faces to familiar > names as I > can this weekend. > > Sadly, I don't have a drivable TR at the moment so if I don't run into you in > the TR paddock I'll be across the way with a pair of purple Mini Coopers or > riding a gold 1950 Douglas motorcycle around. > > Hope to see ya, > Bill > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony at tonydrews.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon) Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 22:15:00 -0500 Subject: [TR] Spitfire Engine Woes Friend in the club says his Spitfire suddenly started running on two cylinders (ran a short errand, then problem started when he fired it back up), which would be backed up by by his compression test numbers: "Cylinder 1 and 2, zero compression. Cylinders 3 and 4 = 120 No smoke, strange noises, etc. Plugs 1 and 2 are dry." The guy, who I don't know very well, but offered to help diagnose, says he would not know where to start in diagnosing or fixing the issue, but has been told possible head gasket. That seems to sort of make sense, but is a blown head gasket likely to give you zero compression?, would think the starter could spin it fast enough to build some pressure even if you were getting some blowby with a head gasket issue? My thought would be a stuck or broken valve, but would be odd to have this happen on two cylinders at the same time, same with a broken piston, broken camshaft? broken crank? broken wouldn't be spinning the pulley if 1 & 2 aren't turning. My thoughts are to definitely look at the valves with the cover off as the motor is spun, as well as run another compression test, maybe feel If we are getting and suction in 1 & 2, and check the intake and exhaust for anything that does not look right. Anyway your thoughts on possible problems as well as some diagnostic tests (don't have a leak down tester) I could help him with an a casual afternoon in the garage. Thanks, Greg Lemon >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 22:06:52 -0700 Subject: [TR] Spitfire Engine Woes > That seems to sort of make sense, but is a blown head gasket > likely to give > you zero compression?, I had a VW Rabbit (aka Golf) once where there was a piece of head gasket about 3/4 long missing. It blew very close to zero on the compression gauge (although might have been 5 psi, don't recall now). > My thoughts are to definitely look at the valves with the > cover off as the Absolutely. > (don't have a leak down tester) No need if the compression test is showing the problem. Leak down is only good for looking for leaks too small to detect with a compression test. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: amfoto1 at aol.com (Alan Myers) Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 15:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Spitfire Engine Woes References: Hi Greg, If it were me, I'd pull the head and look particularly closely at the head gasket in between cylinders 1 and 2. The fact that two adjacent cylinders are showing 0 compression is what's got me suspicious. Yes, if the leak is from one cylinder to the adjacent one, you would quite possibly see no compression at all (or so little it doesn't register on the gauge) in both cylinders. Those cylinders are out of phase with each other... One likely has either exhaust or intake valve open, when the other is in the compression stroke. This would allow all compression to be vented away, as well as any ignition that's still occurring in either of those cylinders. You might first want to carefully repeat the compression test a couple times, just to make sure it's not a testing error. Then if it is confirmed there's 0 psi in both those cylinders, go ahead and pull the head. Like Randall, I don't see much point of a leak down test in this case, once you know there's no compression at all in those two cylinders. A stuck or broken valve or valve spring is very unlikely, since two cylinders are involved. So I also don't think you'll be able to tell much just from inspecting the valve train with the valve cover off. It's going to require deeper surgery than that. The good news may be that all that's needed is a new head gasket. Of course, probably a valve cover gasket, too. This is assuming all that's found is a blown head gasket, the head bolts all stay put, and both they and the nuts are reusable. Keep us posted what you find! Alan Myers San Jose, Calif. amfoto1 at aol.com '62 TR4 CT176602L www.triumphowners.com/640 -----Original Message----- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 22:15:00 -0500 From: "Greg Lemon" T o: Subject: [TR] Spitfire Engine Woes Friend in the club says his Spitfire suddenly started running on two cylinders(ran a short errand, then problem started when he fired it back up), whichwould be backed up by by his compression test numbers:"Cylinder 1 and 2, zero compression. Cylinders 3 and 4 = 120No smoke, strange noises, etc. Plugs 1 and 2 are dry."The guy, who I don't know very well, but offered to help diagnose, says hewould not know where to start in diagnosing or fixing the issue, but has beentold possible head gasket.That seems to sort of make sense, but is a blown head gasket likely to giveyou zero compression?, would think the starter could spin it fast enough tobuild some pressure even if you were getting some blowby with a head gasketissue? My thought would be a stuck or broken valve, but would be odd to havethis happen on two cylinders at the same time, same with a broken piston,broken camshaft? broken crank? broken wouldn't be spinning the pulley if 1 & 2aren't turning.My thoughts are to definitely look at the valves with the cover off as themotor is spun, as well as run another compression test, maybe feel If we aregetting and suction in 1 & 2, and check the intake and exhaust for anythingthat does not look right.Anyway your thoughts on possible problems as well as some diagnostic tests(don't have a leak down tester) I could help him with an a casual afternoon inthe garage.Thanks, Greg Lemon **************************************** >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 17:00:41 -0400 Subject: [TR] Spitfire frames A friend (not in Michigan) is cleaning out his barn and has several spitfire frames he is willing to give away free. He doesn't want to be bothered with lots of enquiries, so if anyone is interested, reply to me and I will put you in touch. Andrew Uprichard >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon) Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 16:08:56 -0500 Subject: [TR] Spitfire Engine Woes References: <8D140196D55F933-21FC-202C8@webmail-m244.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for all the replies on the Spitfire motor, I took a quick look today, pulling the head was not on the agenda, I just wanted to see if I could help with the diagnosis. The valves are not stuck and seem to be working fine, no signs of oil in the coolant or vice versa, the car starts and runs pretty well for running on two cylinders (we didn't run it long, I just wanted to hear it). I thought he had a compression tester, but turned out he had borrowed one from the local FLAPS, so no repeat compression test, but definitely little or no compression on 1 & 2, I stuck my finger in/by the spark plug hole while he cranked it with the ignition disconnected and although I could feel air moving I would describe it more like a breeze from the pistons than anything like appreciable compression on 1 & 2. So my conclusion is--off with your head--I went through the basic steps with the guy, but he was kind of on the borderline of feeling up to it, will see if I can get someone that lives a little closer than me to him to supervise and think it would all get done in a couple weekends (depending on the speed of the machine shop.) Greg Lemon >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 09:08:04 -0500 Subject: [TR] Spitfire Engine Woes References: <0F.AB.11612.B6EE6735@cdptpa-oedge02> my vote is blown head gasket. btdt >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: rlwhitetr3b at hotmail.com (Rich White) Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 18:40:49 -0500 Subject: [TR] just a test message I want to verify that my delivery status change took. Rich White Central, IL USA '63 TR3B TCF###L That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: rlwhitetr3b at hotmail.com (Rich White) Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 18:41:40 -0500 Subject: [TR] just a test message References: Wow! Not only did it work, it was steaming fast! Rich White Central, IL USA '63 TR3B TCF###L That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! > From: rlwhitetr3b at hotmail.com > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 18:40:49 -0500 > Subject: [TR] just a test message > > I want to verify that my delivery status change took. > > Rich White Central, IL USA > '63 TR3B TCF###L > That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rlwhitetr3b at hotmail.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: pdonnel1 at san.rr.com (John & Pat Donnelly) Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 20:41:08 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR4 Windshield Washer Bottle Hey Guys/Girls, my original windshield washer reservoir bottle finally decided to disintegrate despite my futile attempts using RTV. So I need another. I know that the big 3 sell a look-alike replacement that doesn't fit, and suggest replacing the mounting bracket, but I gotta believe that there's a bottle out there that will fit the existing bracket. Anybody found one that would fit? Johnnie '67 TR4A --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 13:10:02 -0400 Subject: [TR] looking for a list memeber in or near Austin, TX Sorry to blanket the list but I am trying to find someone in or near Austin, Tx. If you are, please email me, need a favor. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 11:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Triumph: The Rise, Fall and Revival of an Icon Triumph Motorcycles: The Rise, Fall and Revival of an Icon -- K at W Triumph Motorcycles: The Rise, Fall and Revival of an Ic... By the early 2000s, Triumph motorcycles was the lowest-earning motorcycle brand in the U.S. How did it get back on track? View on knowledge.wharton.upe... Preview by Yahoo If ONLY this were about the car company rather than the motorcycle company...that being said, the article IS interesting to read... Jamie Palmer >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 07:32:57 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR4 - short front springs vs long springs It's time for me to replace the front springs on my 63 TR4. Currently it has the short springs with the spacer blocks. Is there any preference on short vs long? This is a street car not a show car so I'm not concerned about originality I just want the best ride. Thoughts? Thanks! Brad >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: pryner at verizon.net (Pete Ryner) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 07:41:30 -0400 Subject: [TR] Fitting hood latch/spring References: <1400611534.37947.YahooMailNeo@web121603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I recently purchased a hood latch/return spring on my TR3. I attempted to install yesterday but it doesn't seem to fit correctly. The four holes line up fine for the horizontal attaching pieces on the bottom of the support piece on the rear of the front shroud. However, I can only get one side to line up with the shroud support bolts. The other side is a good 1/2 inch from the support. Is there supposed to be a spacer installed? With the unit installed it seems to keep the hood about a quarter inch proud of the shroud along the middle of the hood. The dzus fasteners fit fine though. Any information/pictures would be appreciated. TIA Pete >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: skip47 at gbis.com (Skip Gurnee) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 05:54:29 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR4 - short front springs vs long springs References: Short springs give you a stiffer ride, other parameters (coil diameter, wire diameter) being the same. Assuming "best ride" is for you a softer ride, go for the long springs. Skip Gurnee 64 TR4 66 TR4A -----Original Message----- From: Brad Kahler Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:32 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR4 - short front springs vs long springs It's time for me to replace the front springs on my 63 TR4. Currently it has the short springs with the spacer blocks. Is there any preference on short vs long? This is a street car not a show car so I'm not concerned about originality I just want the best ride. Thoughts? Thanks! Brad >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: mtgaines at presby.edu (Tim Gaines) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 19:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle I need ideas. My 1974 TR6 has always run pretty cool, until recently. Now, whether moving or not, the temp gauge goes to about 3/4 or a little above. There is no sign of white smoke at startup or cruising, and there is no milkiness in the oil. The engine runs smoothly, idles normally, and accelerates normally. Here is a list of what I've done, each time checking for improvement with a drive. No luck. 1. Checked the thermostat in water on the stove. It opens at about 160 degrees. 2. Tightened the drive belt (it was a bit loose). 3. Flushed the system with radiator disconnected after removing the drain plug on the engine and poking through the sludge. Water drained clean when I ran it into the thermostat opening, drain plug area, heater hose, and both radiator hoses. 4. Ran water through the radiator both ways and it seemed to move quickly and was clean. 5. Braced the air cowling which had sagged a bit in front of the radiator. 6. Put on a new thermostat. 7. Removed the water pump (3 years old). It looks clean and turns smoothly. 8. Flushed the system again. Water ran clean out of the pump opening before I replaced the pump (with new gasket). 8. Replaced the radiator with a new one. I was desperate to make a fairly long drive Friday, but that now seems out of the question. This buy really hurts! I'm now at a loss. Can you give me an idea for something else to check? Thanks, Tim Gaines Clinton, SC >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 19:38:27 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle References: <725251.45.1400713325853.JavaMail.User@User-PC> <12880571.49.1400714482880.JavaMail.User@User-PC> Wow - you have done a lot. I guess I'd want to know if the car really is running hot or not. How about buying or borrowing one of those infrared thermometer guns and seeing if the car has a problem at all ? It would be a shame to cancel the long drive Friday on account of a bad gauge...................... Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Gaines Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 7:21 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle I need ideas. My 1974 TR6 has always run pretty cool, until recently. Now, whether moving or not, the temp gauge goes to about 3/4 or a little above. There is no sign of white smoke at startup or cruising, and there is no milkiness in the oil. The engine runs smoothly, idles normally, and accelerates normally. Here is a list of what I've done, each time checking for improvement with a drive. No luck. 1. Checked the thermostat in water on the stove. It opens at about 160 degrees. 2. Tightened the drive belt (it was a bit loose). 3. Flushed the system with radiator disconnected after removing the drain plug on the engine and poking through the sludge. Water drained clean when I ran it into the thermostat opening, drain plug area, heater hose, and both radiator hoses. 4. Ran water through the radiator both ways and it seemed to move quickly and was clean. 5. Braced the air cowling which had sagged a bit in front of the radiator. 6. Put on a new thermostat. 7. Removed the water pump (3 years old). It looks clean and turns smoothly. 8. Flushed the system again. Water ran clean out of the pump opening before I replaced the pump (with new gasket). 8. Replaced the radiator with a new one. I was desperate to make a fairly long drive Friday, but that now seems out of the question. This buy really hurts! I'm now at a loss. Can you give me an idea for something else to check? Thanks, Tim Gaines Clinton, SC ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard at uprichard.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 23:53:03 +0000 Subject: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle ---- Tim Gaines wrote: > I need ideas. My 1974 TR6 has always run pretty cool, until recently. Now, whether moving or not, the temp gauge goes to about 3/4 or a little above. Did you check the voltage stabilizer? If it fails, it will cause the temp gauge and fuel gauge to both read about 1/4 scale too high. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 0:00:15 +0000 Subject: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle ---- Andrew Uprichard wrote: > Wow - you have done a lot. > > I guess I'd want to know if the car really is running hot or not. How about > buying or borrowing one of those infrared thermometer guns If you do, be warned that they can be wildly inaccurate when pointed at aluminum. Mine will give readings that vary from 140F all the way up to 190F, just moving around to different spots on the aluminum tstat housing. So 'shoot' one of the hoses or radiator tank instead of the thermostat housing. They will give you a closer reading (though still not perfectly accurate, as the reading depends on the emissivity of the surface). Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 19:53:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle Tim, I just read all responses and have been going through the same thing with my 72 TR6. Temp gauge always sat at the 6 o'clock position in the middle and never moved. Not even when it was 100 degrees and I was sitting in traffic. Got out this spring on the first hot day. Sitting in traffic I see the gauge start moving toward the upper end. Never got past 3/4 hot, and when I moved it went back down. I did a flush myself, although I did not take the drain petock out at the block, mine is the original and if I snap that off, well, lets just say it would not be pretty. I really thought I had a radiator leak, but after watching for a week or two, it does not leak. I took the lead off of the temperature sensor, sanded it with some fine paper, and put it back on. The issue appears to be resolved, after two good flushes, I filled with 50/50 and a half bottle of water wetter and it seems fine. I am going to continue to monitor, because it really has not been hot enough to know for sure. I have tried those temperature sensors and they give so many different readings I never feel like it really gives me a definite answer. The voltage stabilizer is always a possibility, but on my car, neither the temp gauge or the fuel gauge have ever been 1/4 "wonky" (saw that on the Buckeye site). Please post whatever you find out, and I will update when it gets hot. Craig 72 Triumph TR6 On 05/21/14, Tim Gaines wrote: I need ideas. My 1974 TR6 has always run pretty cool, until recently. Now, whether moving or not, the temp gauge goes to about 3/4 or a little above. There is no sign of white smoke at startup or cruising, and there is no milkiness in the oil. The engine runs smoothly, idles normally, and accelerates normally. Here is a list of what I've done, each time checking for improvement with a drive. No luck. 1. Checked the thermostat in water on the stove. It opens at about 160 degrees. 2. Tightened the drive belt (it was a bit loose). 3. Flushed the system with radiator disconnected after removing the drain plug on the engine and poking through the sludge. Water drained clean when I ran it into the thermostat opening, drain plug area, heater hose, and both radiator hoses. 4. Ran water through the radiator both ways and it seemed to move quickly and was clean. 5. Braced the air cowling which had sagged a bit in front of the radiator. 6. Put on a new thermostat. 7. Removed the water pump (3 years old). It looks clean and turns smoothly. 8. Flushed the system again. Water ran clean out of the pump opening before I replaced the pump (with new gasket). 8. Replaced the radiator with a new one. I was desperate to make a fairly long drive Friday, but that now seems out of the question. This buy really hurts! I'm now at a loss. Can you give me an idea for something else to check? Thanks, Tim Gaines Clinton, SC ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: mtgaines at presby.edu (Tim Gaines) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 21:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle Thanks for all the good suggestions. I'm pretty sure the timing and the carb mixture are okay. Also, the fuel gauge seems to be reading accurately (showing almost empty now and it is), so I'm not going after the voltage stabilizer yet. I'm going to check the actual water temperature first thing tomorrow. That makes so much sense; why didn't it occur to me?! If it isn't all that hot, I'll sub in the sensor from my poor old Spitfire that hasn't seen the road in two years. I just checked the VB catalog and the parts are the same. If that doesn't do the job, then I guess I'll try retuning. Thanks again. Tim >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 06:00:43 -0700 Subject: [TR] Yes - I did blow my gasket (TR4) The head gasket looked OK to me, but my head man pointed to where the sealing ring around the cylinder is broken. The pistons turn smoothly so all seems OK down below. In addition, the exhaust manifold on the same low compression cylinders was blown, and on inspection the manifold mating surface on the head was a bit warped, as is manifold face . So, we'll true up those surfaces. The gasket I used first time was the copper variety. I'm thinking now to use a modern thicker type, perhaps one from Remflex? http://catalog.remflex.com/ As well, the machinest suggests I lower the compression, which I measured at about 10:1 at rebuild four years ago. Any suggestions for a thicker gasket? Many thanks John >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: Chip19474 at aol.com (Chip19474 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 09:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle Tim, It always seems to be "process of elimination" with these troubles so sometimes it helps to start with the easiest, least dirtiest job (and often most likely) culprits.....you can try the Spit temp sensor but even if that doesn't work, I would try a new sensor. If that doesn't work, given all that you've done, swap out another temp gauge....there's bound to be someone in a local club around where you live who has a spare gauge stashed away for a quick loaner. Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1962 TR4 CT2052L In a message dated 5/21/2014 9:59:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mtgaines at presby.edu writes: Thanks for all the good suggestions. I'm pretty sure the timing and the carb mixture are okay. Also, the fuel gauge seems to be reading accurately (showing almost empty now and it is), so I'm not going after the voltage stabilizer yet. I'm going to check the actual water temperature first thing tomorrow. That makes so much sense; why didn't it occur to me?! If it isn't all that hot, I'll sub in the sensor from my poor old Spitfire that hasn't seen the road in two years. I just checked the VB catalog and the parts are the same. If that doesn't do the job, then I guess I'll try retuning. Thanks again. Tim ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/chip19474 at aol.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 09:52:15 -0500 Subject: [TR] Yes - I did blow my gasket (TR4) mail.com> References: I'd suggest either the stock composite gasket (the ones from BP Northwest are now made in Germany and seem pretty decent) or the new type with fire rings for the head gasket. For the Manifold gasket, the Remflex one is good at taking care of minor surface imperfections. Tony Drews At 08:00 AM 5/22/2014, Lee&John Howard wrote: >The head gasket looked OK to me, but my head man pointed to where the >sealing ring around the cylinder is broken. The pistons turn smoothly so >all seems OK down below. In addition, the exhaust manifold on the same low >compression cylinders was blown, and on inspection the manifold mating >surface on the head was a bit warped, as is manifold face . So, we'll true >up those surfaces. > >The gasket I used first time was the copper variety. I'm thinking now to >use a modern thicker type, perhaps one from Remflex? >http://catalog.remflex.com/ > >As well, the machinest suggests I lower the compression, which I measured >at about 10:1 at rebuild four years ago. Any suggestions for a thicker >gasket? > >Many thanks > >John > >** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony at tonydrews.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: mtgaines at presby.edu (Tim Gaines) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 13:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle > you might sub the gauge from the spit, too. Yeah, I just did that, among other things. Good news but not complete satisfaction. First, the water temperature, according to our meat thermometer, never gets above 165 degrees, even while the gauge goes beyond 3/4 level (never used to quite reach 1/2). After swapping in the sensor from the Spit, the result was the same. Why is the hex head on that thing metric (18 mm)?! After swapping in the temp gauge from the Spit, the result was the same again. Now I've put the original gauge back (don't know why--just seemed right), and I'm going to order a new temp sensor right now. Tomorrow I think I'll attempt my drive to Athens, GA for some NCAA tennis. Am I being reckless? Thanks again for all the good responses, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Chip19474 at aol.com To: mtgaines at presby.edu, triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 9:35:51 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle In a message dated 5/21/2014 9:59:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mtgaines at presby.edu writes: Thanks for all the good suggestions. I'm pretty sure the timing and the carb mixture are okay. Also, the fuel gauge seems to be reading accurately (showing almost empty now and it is), so I'm not going after the voltage stabilizer yet. I'm going to check the actual water temperature first thing tomorrow. That makes so much sense; why didn't it occur to me?! If it isn't all that hot, I'll sub in the sensor from my poor old Spitfire that hasn't seen the road in two years. I just checked the VB catalog and the parts are the same. If that doesn't do the job, then I guess I'll try retuning. Thanks again. Tim >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: arakelianp at mossmotors.com (Pete Arakelian) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 11:15:58 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle Check your radiator cap? There may be some crude in the return plunger causing you to loose pressure. BTDT Peter - 71 TR6 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: bjzwissler at gmail.com (Benjamin Zwissler) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 15:39:07 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle Tim, I'd say its time to check the voltage stabilizer. My TR4A reads nominally 10V, but if its an original bimetallic strip style unit you have to check with a "slow" voltmeter since it cuts the power in and out to get the 10V average. If its a replacement solid-state one it should read 10V. OTOH, if you check it and its gives a steady reading at battery voltage you know its bad. Ben..... > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 13:52:02 -0400 (EDT) > From: Tim Gaines > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle > Message-ID: <12621394.61.1400781011809.JavaMail.User at User-PC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >> you might sub the gauge from the spit, too. > > Yeah, I just did that, among other things. Good news but not complete satisfaction. First, the water temperature, according to our meat thermometer, never gets above 165 degrees, even while the gauge goes beyond 3/4 level (never used to quite reach 1/2). After swapping in the sensor from the Spit, the result was the same. Why is the hex head on that thing metric (18 mm)?! After swapping in the temp gauge from the Spit, the result was the same again. Now I've put the original gauge back (don't know why--just seemed right), and I'm going to order a new temp sensor right now. Tomorrow I think I'll attempt my drive to Athens, GA for some NCAA tennis. Am I being reckless? > > Thanks again for all the good responses, > > Tim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chip19474 at aol.com > To: mtgaines at presby.edu, triumphs at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 9:35:51 AM > Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle > > > In a message dated 5/21/2014 9:59:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mtgaines at presby.edu writes: > > Thanks for all the good suggestions. I'm pretty sure the timing and the carb mixture are okay. Also, the fuel gauge seems to be reading accurately (showing almost empty now and it is), so I'm not going after the voltage stabilizer yet. I'm going to check the actual water temperature first thing tomorrow. That makes so much sense; why didn't it occur to me?! If it isn't all that hot, I'll sub in the sensor from my poor old Spitfire that hasn't seen the road in two years. I just checked the VB catalog and the parts are the same. If that doesn't do the job, then I guess I'll try retuning. > > Thanks again. > > Tim > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > > Triumphs mailing list > Triumphs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 145 > **************************************** >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 20:13:06 +0000 Subject: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle ---- Tim Gaines wrote: > First, the water temperature, according to our meat thermometer, never gets above 165 degrees, > Am I being reckless? I'd go for it. Then afterwards, you can look for the grounding problem. Mine turned out to be that the ground strap was loose at the timing cover. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: allenhess at mgcarclub.com (Allen Hess) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 16:48:01 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle References: I wouldn't rule out the voltage stabilizer. Several years ago I started up at the beginning of the season and nearly pegged the temp gauge. Like you I checked a lot of other things and finally the stabilizer. They are easy to check with an analog volt meter (don't know how a digital would work). I don't remember how to hook it up but I found it on the internet, maybe the list archives. If it is working correctly, the needle will swing back and forth from 12 volts to something less so that the average is about 10 volts. If broken it will be steady at 12-14 volts. Allen >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 20:05:24 +0100 Subject: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle References: <8e028.30985c76.40af5737@aol.com> <12621394.61.1400781011809.JavaMail.User@User-PC> While the Triumph I'm talking about wasn't a TR6, I had a similar problem with the combi instrument on a '73 2000 saloon. The engine temp and fuel gauges on the combi clock both gave higher engine temp and lower tank content readings. Wasn't anything I could find that was amiss on info going into the instruments but I eventually traced it to a bad earth (ground) on the instrument stabiliser. Fitted a new one and still the same result. In the end and more out of desperation than anything else, I fitted a separate wire from stabiliser to a good earth on the car body. Problem fixed! Gauges worked fine after that and no more trouble. Might be just that simple? Jonmac -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Gaines Sent: 22 May 2014 18:52 To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle > you might sub the gauge from the spit, too. Yeah, I just did that, among other things. Good news but not complete satisfaction. First, the water temperature, according to our meat thermometer, never gets above 165 degrees, even while the gauge goes beyond 3/4 level (never used to quite reach 1/2). After swapping in the sensor from the Spit, the result was the same. Why is the hex head on that thing metric (18 mm)?! After swapping in the temp gauge from the Spit, the result was the same again. Now I've put the original gauge back (don't know why--just seemed right), and I'm going to order a new temp sensor right now. Tomorrow I think I'll attempt my drive to Athens, GA for some NCAA tennis. Am I being reckless? Thanks again for all the good responses, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Chip19474 at aol.com To: mtgaines at presby.edu, triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 9:35:51 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle In a message dated 5/21/2014 9:59:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mtgaines at presby.edu writes: Thanks for all the good suggestions. I'm pretty sure the timing and the carb mixture are okay. Also, the fuel gauge seems to be reading accurately (showing almost empty now and it is), so I'm not going after the voltage stabilizer yet. I'm going to check the actual water temperature first thing tomorrow. That makes so much sense; why didn't it occur to me?! If it isn't all that hot, I'll sub in the sensor from my poor old Spitfire that hasn't seen the road in two years. I just checked the VB catalog and the parts are the same. If that doesn't do the job, then I guess I'll try retuning. Thanks again. Tim ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 22:17:28 +0000 Subject: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle ---- Allen Hess wrote: > I wouldn't rule out the voltage stabilizer. > They are easy to check with an analog volt meter (don't > know how a digital would work). Pretty much the same, you should see the voltage jump from battery voltage (roughly) to zero. A digital meter may show you some values in between, but you should still see the extremes of battery voltage and zero. If accessing the VS is more hassle than you want (I think it's on the back of the speedo for a TR6), you can just pull the wire off the sender for the temperature gauge and check from the wire to ground. The gauge resistance is much lower than the voltmeter, so you will read the output from the VS. In a pinch, you can even do this test with an (unpowered) test light. The light should blink on and off if the VS is working. Also, some suppliers are selling solid-state voltage stabilizers. If you have one of those, the voltage will be a constant 10.0 volts rather than jumping from battery voltage to zero and back. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: mtgaines at presby.edu (Tim Gaines) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 19:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle THAT WAS IT! I went out to refill the gas tank, and afterward the fuel gauge was pegged almost out of sight to the right. Never saw that before, so I finally accepted the likelihood of a voltage stabilizer problem. After reading Jonmac's post, I first looked for a loose ground at the stabilizer, and that is exactly what I found. After tightening, the fuel gauge read full but not beyond, and the temp gauge stayed at its old spot, just below 1/2. Finally, peace of mind! Thank you all so much for your good advice and especially to Jonmac. What a list! Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Macartney" To: "Tim Gaines" , triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:05:24 PM Subject: RE: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle While the Triumph I'm talking about wasn't a TR6, I had a similar problem with the combi instrument on a '73 2000 saloon. The engine temp and fuel gauges on the combi clock both gave higher engine temp and lower tank content readings. Wasn't anything I could find that was amiss on info going into the instruments but I eventually traced it to a bad earth (ground) on the instrument stabiliser. Fitted a new one and still the same result. In the end and more out of desperation than anything else, I fitted a separate wire from stabiliser to a good earth on the car body. Problem fixed! Gauges worked fine after that and no more trouble. Might be just that simple? Jonmac >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 20:25:22 -0400 Subject: [TR] Installimg TR4A door panels So I have my new TR4A door panels with no holes for the door handle and window crank. I do have a old set of panels with holes. What is a good way of cutting those holes without damaging my new door panels? Thanks, Dave Connitt >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 17:24:21 -0700 Subject: [TR] Installimg TR4A door panels References: <267B7F1194894234A7A9004B70B2E0A1@DaveLaptop> On May 22, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: > So I have my new TR4A door panels with no holes for the door handle and window > crank. I do have a old set of panels with holes. What is a good way of cutting > those holes without damaging my new door panels? I installed the panels before cutting any holes, there should be enough stretch for them to go on. Then use a razor blade to cut an X in the vinyl. -Darrell >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: 75TR6 at TR6.Danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 20:45:04 -0400 Subject: [TR] Installimg TR4A door panels References: <267B7F1194894234A7A9004B70B2E0A1@DaveLaptop> Are you saying that the hardboard has no holes for the Window and Door cranks? I believe that's how Moss makes them. Your best bet is to use your old panels as a guide and cut a 1" or 1-1/8" hole using a Forstner bit. ( http://www.mcmaster.com/#forstner-drill-bits/=s2z65u ) They're best used in a drill press, have no center point protruding past the cutting edge so you can cut the board without catching any vinyl. If you decide to use a spade bit, I'd first drill a small hole through the hardboard from the backside and then use an awl to punch through the vinyl. Now that you've found the center of the hole, use a cutting punch to cut about a 1/4" hole in the vinyl. That should be enough to avoid the spade center point catching the vinyl. Then very carefully drill through the back of the panel with your spade bit Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm Custom Interiors & Boot Covers http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/FenderBlanket.htm Fender Blankets -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 8:25 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Installimg TR4A door panels So I have my new TR4A door panels with no holes for the door handle and window crank. I do have a old set of panels with holes. What is a good way of cutting those holes without damaging my new door panels? Thanks, Dave Connitt ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 09:04:58 +0100 Subject: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle References: <004c01cf75f0$c95e3930$5c1aab90$@ukpips.org.uk> <3158343.136.1400800283986.JavaMail.User@User-PC> Glad you got it sorted, Tim. Jonmac Grad. I.L.E.A. (Graduate of the Institute of Lucas Electrical Aromas) -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Gaines Sent: 23 May 2014 00:11 To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle THAT WAS IT! I went out to refill the gas tank, and afterward the fuel gauge was pegged almost out of sight to the right. Never saw that before, so I finally accepted the likelihood of a voltage stabilizer problem. After reading Jonmac's post, I first looked for a loose ground at the stabilizer, and that is exactly what I found. After tightening, the fuel gauge read full but not beyond, and the temp gauge stayed at its old spot, just below 1/2. Finally, peace of mind! Thank you all so much for your good advice and especially to Jonmac. What a list! Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Macartney" To: "Tim Gaines" , triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:05:24 PM Subject: RE: [TR] TR6 overheating puzzle While the Triumph I'm talking about wasn't a TR6, I had a similar problem with the combi instrument on a '73 2000 saloon. The engine temp and fuel gauges on the combi clock both gave higher engine temp and lower tank content readings. Wasn't anything I could find that was amiss on info going into the instruments but I eventually traced it to a bad earth (ground) on the instrument stabiliser. Fitted a new one and still the same result. In the end and more out of desperation than anything else, I fitted a separate wire from stabiliser to a good earth on the car body. Problem fixed! Gauges worked fine after that and no more trouble. Might be just that simple? Jonmac ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: perryfly at gmail.com (Perry Hammock) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 14:30:34 -0400 Subject: [TR] Transmission noise - TR3A w/Overdrive well, tuesday night, after a stinging Pacers loss, I was driving home. Stopped at a corner, made a right turn in 1st gear and got a noise like th gearbox equivalent of the card in the spokes. Soon as i shifted to second, no noise. Nor 3rd or 4th. Bur every time in 1st, the noise is constant, tied to speed, and sounds like you had something hitting against gear teeth. Pretty loudly, not to be ignored. But constant, consistent, not like something loose randomly bouncing around in the case. Drat. THis is a big driving weekend. I am hoping to find something minor ( please God) when I take the top cover off tomorrow morning and start poking around. Any BTDT in the forum crowd? Thanks in advance for your creative wisdom Perry Hammock 1960 TR3A >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (Dean Tetterton) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 14:48:36 -0400 Subject: [TR] Transmission noise - TR3A w/Overdrive References: Sounds like a chipped tooth or missing tooth on first gear. Common on a non-synchro gear box. Might also make the noise in reverse. Dean T. On May 23, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Perry Hammock wrote: > well, tuesday night, after a stinging Pacers loss, I was driving home. > Stopped at a corner, made a right turn in 1st gear and got a noise like th > gearbox equivalent of the card in the spokes. Soon as i shifted to second, > no noise. Nor 3rd or 4th. Bur every time in 1st, the noise is constant, > tied to speed, and sounds like you had something hitting against gear > teeth. Pretty loudly, not to be ignored. But constant, consistent, not > like something loose randomly bouncing around in the case. > Drat. THis is a big driving weekend. I am hoping to find something minor > ( please God) when I take the top cover off tomorrow morning and start > poking around. Any BTDT in the forum crowd? > > Thanks in advance for your creative wisdom > > Perry Hammock > 1960 TR3A > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58 at verizon.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: rsuncloud at gmail.com (RH (Bob) Harrison, CSMP) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 19:01:55 -0400 Subject: [TR] 1960 TR-3 in parts I surrender I finally get my TR-3 serial number 87000?? completely torn down to nuts and bolts and powder coated (black) the frame & then I took a short term job out of town. That was two years ago and I don't have a lot of hope that at 62 I will be able to re-establish myself back in Las Vegas and put it back together. She is no beauty queen but decent except for the 20 pounds of filler the expert bondo man from Chicago filled the rear fenders with. The engine has bad rings in cylinder number 4 and let's face it I tore it down to redo it. There is no one in Las Vegas who ever showed any British interest and I think it may be time to move on. Any ideas?? 702-460-9999 I don't want to throw away my dream but not sure what to do. The good news is all of the parts are in a single 20 cargo container *Safe work practices protect your future* RH (Bob) Harrison, CSMP 702-460-9999 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: cliff_hansen at earthlink.net (Cliff Hansen) Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 09:03:14 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR4A outside door handles Ibve opted to refresh, rather than replace, the outside door handles. I disassembled them and found one of the two torsion springs broken. These springs aid in the return of the lock cylinder to its neutral position, I think. The springs are small gauge (0.015b), 3 coils, about 0.8b inside diameter. Anybody know how to locate a suitable replacement? Ibve looked locally for spring wire to make my own, without success. Thanks, Cliff >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: cliff_hansen at earthlink.net (Cliff Hansen) Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 10:01:59 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR4A outside door handles References: <8AA4CA5BE0BA48E08C3F19A7ED9C4DB5@Shemp> I mis-measured, and for some reason my inch symbols don't translate. The wire diameter is 0.038 inches and inside diameter is 0.71 inches. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Cliff Hansen Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 9:03 AM To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] TR4A outside door handles Ibve opted to refresh, rather than replace, the outside door handles. I disassembled them and found one of the two torsion springs broken. These springs aid in the return of the lock cylinder to its neutral position, I think. The springs are small gauge (0.015b ), 3 coils, about 0.8b inside diameter. Anybody know how to locate a suitable replacement? Ibve looked locally for spring wire to make my own, without success. Thanks, Cliff ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen at earthlink.net >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 09:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] 1960 TR-3 in parts References: Bob a short trip down the 15 freeway will find you in temecula california. there you will find 3 friends and i who love helping each other build our TR3's. come join us, and we will help you build :-) Frank On Friday, May 23, 2014 4:02 PM, "RH (Bob) Harrison, CSMP" wrote: I surrender I finally get my TR-3 serial number 87000?? completely torn down to nuts and bolts and powder coated (black) the frame & then I took a short term job out of town. That was two years ago and I don't have a lot of hope that at 62 I will be able to re-establish myself back in Las Vegas and put it back together. She is no beauty queen but decent except for the 20 pounds of filler the expert bondo man from Chicago filled the rear fenders with. The engine has bad rings in cylinder number 4 and let's face it I tore it down to redo it. There is no one in Las Vegas who ever showed any British interest and I think it may be time to move on. Any ideas?? 702-460-9999 I don't want to throw away my dream but not sure what to do. The good news is all of the parts are in a single 20 cargo container *Safe work practices protect your future* RH (Bob) Harrison, CSMP 702-460-9999 ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 09:48:23 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR4A outside door handles > The springs are small gauge (0.015b), 3 coils, about > 0.8b inside > diameter. Anybody know how to locate a suitable replacement? I see that MMC offers to locate torsion springs to your specification. Doesn't give pricing, but might not be too bad. http://www.mcmaster.com/?m=true#torsion-springs/=s3u1ja (scroll to the bottom) > Ibve looked > locally for spring wire to make my own, without success. I have found spring wire (aka piano wire) at my local Orchard Supply Hardware (OSH). But MMC also carries the wire, if you can't find it locally. http://www.mcmaster.com/?m=true#piano-wire/=s3u2id Or it would likely be cheaper at Amazon, if you happen to have Amazon Prime (and don't live near a MMC warehouse). http://tinyurl.com/p4qa7ec Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: cliff_hansen at earthlink.net (Cliff Hansen) Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 16:19:15 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR4A outside door handles References: <3C.08.06231.25DC0835@cdptpa-oedge02> Yay! I found music wire at a RC hobby store, $2 for 12 feet, makes a very nice spring. Now to find that microscopic spring that sprang out of the wiper switch I hope to repair into whonoswhere in the shop. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:48 AM To: 'Cliff Hansen' ; 'list Triumph' Subject: RE: [TR] TR4A outside door handles > The springs are small gauge (0.015b ), 3 coils, about > 0.8b inside > diameter. Anybody know how to locate a suitable replacement? I see that MMC offers to locate torsion springs to your specification. Doesn't give pricing, but might not be too bad. http://www.mcmaster.com/?m=true#torsion-springs/=s3u1ja (scroll to the bottom) > Ibve looked > locally for spring wire to make my own, without success. I have found spring wire (aka piano wire) at my local Orchard Supply Hardware (OSH). But MMC also carries the wire, if you can't find it locally. http://www.mcmaster.com/?m=true#piano-wire/=s3u2id Or it would likely be cheaper at Amazon, if you happen to have Amazon Prime (and don't live near a MMC warehouse). http://tinyurl.com/p4qa7ec Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: cliff_hansen at earthlink.net (Cliff Hansen) Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 12:34:55 -0600 Subject: [TR] WTB: TR4A 2 speed wiper switch Ibve lost hope of finding that tiny errant spring. Would anyone have a wiper switch in any condition that they would be willing to sell? The replacements look to be toggle switches without a knob. Thanks, Cliff >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy) Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 15:04:18 -0700 Subject: [TR] instrument light bulb holder wanted Does anyone have a spare instrument light bulb holder that they don't need. A photo can be found at the following link as what it looks like. For some reason, it was cut off from the rest of the wiring loom. it supplies light to the large speedo. Regards, Sujit sujitroy at yahoo.com https://picasaweb.google.com/117919914615655231803/May272014 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 16:22:42 -0600 Subject: [TR] Just checking Making progress on Team.Net. mjb. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: 75TR6 at TR6.Danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 21:04:25 -0400 Subject: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor I recently had a TR6 spare water pump rebuilt by The Flying Dutchman and one of his options is a 6 vane impellor. I installed the pump last week and had the upper coolant hose (thermostat to manifold) burst yesterday. Between then and now, it covered over 250 highway miles with no problems. In examining the hose I can see where it was full of cracks and check marks so the failure is probably coincidence. As a result of my problem there's a discussion in 6-Pack on the advantage/disadvantage of a 6 vane water pump. One group feels there's less cavitation and more volume pumped through the system. Another group feels it pumps the water through the system too fast and the radiator can't cool it properly so the car runs hotter. Another view was that with the thermostat closed it could increase the pressure and expose the hose as a fail point. All speculation and theory so........ does anyone know the advantages/disadvantages of 4 vs 6 vane? Rimmer and Racetorations both sell it as an upgrade to the cooling system Thanks Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm Custom Interiors & Boot Covers http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/FenderBlanket.htm Fender Blankets >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 03:16:49 -0700 Subject: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor > All speculation and theory so........ does anyone know the > advantages/disadvantages of 4 vs 6 vane? Water pump design is an extremely complicated topic, even for a pump running at constant rpm, let alone with the widely varying rpm, head and flow parameters that are inherent in automotive cooling systems. And the number of vanes is a relatively minor variable in the performance of the pump. Things like vane shape, clearances, housing shape and so on have a much larger effect on results. So, my opinion is that it is impossible to state categorically that a 4 vane pump is better or worse than a 6 vane. In other words, this discussion is futile, until and unless someone gets a sample of each specific pump and does some specific performance tests on it. Even then, it is going to be hard to say which is "better", since I've never seen any evidence that lack of water flow is a problem with our engines. One thing, though, there is no such thing as "moving the water too fast so the radiator can't cool it". A long-persistent myth, perpetuated by those who slept through high school physics (or took auto shop instead). What can happen on cars with the pressure cap on the high pressure side of the radiator (like the TR2-6) is that the pressure differential across the radiator rises so high that the cap opens and lets coolant blow out the overflow. THEN the engine overheats, due to lack of coolant flow (and coolant). I've also seen non-TR engines where the hose on the low pressure side would literally suck closed, blocking off the flow. My own experiments with 4 vs 6 (on a TR3 motor) showed no measurable difference in cooling performance. But I didn't bother taking any flow or pressure measurements. With a stock 4 vane pump, and adequate airflow through the radiator, the engine stays cool even in 115F weather (which is more than the driver can stand). Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker) Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 06:19:03 -0700 Subject: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor References: On May 25, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Bob Danielson <75TR6 at TR6.Danielsonfamily.org> wrote: > Another group feels it pumps the water through the system too fast and the radiator can't cool it properly so the car runs hotter. Im only a software engineer, but Ive always been skeptical of this argument. Sure, perhaps per unit volume less heat will be removed as the coolant moves faster, but you will have more volume going through, so it should balance out. Also, I think the larger differential between the coolant and outside air temperature makes the heat exchange more efficient, so having the coolant move faster would mean more area of the radiator would experience a larger temperature differential. I mean, if I pour boiling water really fast across my arm it wont burn me, because it will be moving too fast? Or this may indeed be a real concern, and a case where common sense doesnt match the physics. -Darrell -- Darrell Walker 66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L 81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206 Vancouver, WA, USA >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 13:24:52 -0700 Subject: [TR] Blown Gasket TR4 part III I got back to the car yesterday and found that liner #1 protruded far beyond spec at .010. I assembled a few tubes and washers to simulate the factory liner hold down tool and managed to press the liner down to .005, just at spec. So, this is what probably caused the blow-out, although I wonder if simply turning the crank with the head off might have caused the liner to lift. Whatever ( as the grandkids say ad nauseum) - I'm going with the too-high liner as the cause, and will use a new and thicker gasket from British Parts Northwest. Plus new studs - I'm springing for the ARP's. As for the exhaust manifold, I'm cutting off the headers ( behind the collection point) and having its face trued up. Same with the manifold face on the head - flattened and new matched studs. Standard heavy duty gaskets from Moss. Should be back on the road in a week! Yeah, right. Thanks again John Howard >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 23:37:24 +0100 Subject: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor References: <32.F3.31957.D87B5835@cdptpa-oedge01> Randall wrote: "Even then, it is going to be hard to say which is "better", since I've never seen any evidence that lack of water flow is a problem with our engines." Far be it from me to challenge our technical guru on any technical aspect of Standard-Triumph engineering standards, but I think there's a possibility Randall that you may not have 'explored' as many Stag blocks as I have over the years :)? I know you have a number of misgivings about the Stag V8 as a whole and I respect you for that because you're entitled to your opinion. However, it needs to be noted the Stag engine did have a number of serious flaws on the Mk 1 model to do with cooling issues and these were: A water pump that wasn't up to the job in terms of moving the amount of water required of it. This was down to the Purchasing Department accepting a smaller vaned pump was just as acceptable as the one specified by Engineering - and for the simple fact it was cheaper. A radiator that wasn't up to the job in terms of size or cooling capability. Again, Purchasing entirely believed Coventry Radiator and Presswork in foisting an untried "but just as good" unit. Warped cylinder heads caused by overheated water adversely affecting the head alloy that once again, dear old Purchasing insisted was acceptable because it was cheaper than the grade laid down by Engineering and which in the several prototype cars had never caused any trouble. They reverted to the correct alloy with the Mk 2 and head warpage was mostly a thing of the past. Finally, we can point a very accusatory finger at Birmid Qualcast who was the cylinder block foundry supplier (as they were for all other 4 and 6 pot engines) for incompetence in entirely failing to ensure casting media and foundry sand was by no means fully removed from all the blocks they supplied. When Joe Pawlak and his team of Busted Knucklers at ISOA rebuilt the engine for 'uncle jack' , Joe removed about half a pound of foundry sand, bits of bent wire and solid sand core from that block. He gave it to me as a present the following year when he came to the UK to stay with us and commented that in his opinion it was that junk which had caused head warpage on the car in the dim and distant past when they started tearing down the unit. It's worth mentioning that I drove that car over 18,000 miles in some pretty hot weather in 2009 and kept a detailed log of all top-ups, oil changes and fuel used throughout the trip. It was in Tallahassee FL (and at the start of the journey) where I added just three paper cups of water from a hotel water fountain. This was because I'd discovered (and sorted) an airlock in the heater - and I never had to touch it again until the last day but one of the trip when I added another single cup in Grand Junction on the way to Glenn Merrell's place near Denver. This was after Texas, Canadian prairie, driving up Pike's Peak fairly rapidly, the Rockies and all down the West Coast. Come to that, over that journey I only used a quart and a half of oil in top ups, apart from oil changes at 3,000 mile intervals. Cooling-wise and after his superb rebuild, 'uncle jack' was what all Stags *should* have been from the outset - but so few ever were. Jonmac --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 08:12:12 +0100 Subject: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor References: <32.F3.31957.D87B5835@cdptpa-oedge01> Randall wrote: I've never seen any evidence that lack of water flow is a problem with our engines. Oh Fountainhead of such unquestionable knowledge, may I most respectfully suggest you do a quick spool-back and exclude the Stag V8? :) It was a mountain of trouble on the cooling side of things and mostly caused by the Purchasing Department at STI over-riding Engineering in provisioning water pumps, radiators and cylinder heads of a quality that was inconsistent with Engineering spec - and all on the grounds of cost. As a result, the people responsible were fired and justly so. The only other fly in the ointment was the foundry Birmid Qualcast, who supplied the cylinder blocks that still had part of the casting cores embedded deep inside them and no small amount of foundry sand blocking coolant passages. Apart from those 'minor' issues which effectively killed the Stag in its first two years (some say less) I don't think it had other key problems. It's bete-noire was cooling. Period. Cheers, Jonmac --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 08:26:31 -0500 Subject: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor References: <32.F3.31957.D87B5835@cdptpa-oedge01> <000c01cf7b8e$8fd77bb0$af867310$@ukpips.org.uk> thank you for that, John. for those interested in the stag, wikipedia has an interesting article that discusses some of the engineering goals and missteps. I found it rather interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Stag and, of course, Top Gear's excellent portrayal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGJty_Rdp1U&feature=kp -----Original Message----- From: John Macartney Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:37 PM To: 'Randall' ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor Randall wrote: "Even then, it is going to be hard to say which is "better", since I've never seen any evidence that lack of water flow is a problem with our engines." Far be it from me to challenge our technical guru on any technical aspect of Standard-Triumph engineering standards, but I think there's a possibility Randall that you may not have 'explored' as many Stag blocks as I have over the years :)? I know you have a number of misgivings about the Stag V8 as a whole and I respect you for that because you're entitled to your opinion. However, it needs to be noted the Stag engine did have a number of serious flaws on the Mk 1 model to do with cooling issues and these were: A water pump that wasn't up to the job in terms of moving the amount of water required of it. This was down to the Purchasing Department accepting a smaller vaned pump was just as acceptable as the one specified by Engineering - and for the simple fact it was cheaper. A radiator that wasn't up to the job in terms of size or cooling capability. Again, Purchasing entirely believed Coventry Radiator and Presswork in foisting an untried "but just as good" unit. Warped cylinder heads caused by overheated water adversely affecting the head alloy that once again, dear old Purchasing insisted was acceptable because it was cheaper than the grade laid down by Engineering and which in the several prototype cars had never caused any trouble. They reverted to the correct alloy with the Mk 2 and head warpage was mostly a thing of the past. Finally, we can point a very accusatory finger at Birmid Qualcast who was the cylinder block foundry supplier (as they were for all other 4 and 6 pot engines) for incompetence in entirely failing to ensure casting media and foundry sand was by no means fully removed from all the blocks they supplied. When Joe Pawlak and his team of Busted Knucklers at ISOA rebuilt the engine for 'uncle jack' , Joe removed about half a pound of foundry sand, bits of bent wire and solid sand core from that block. He gave it to me as a present the following year when he came to the UK to stay with us and commented that in his opinion it was that junk which had caused head warpage on the car in the dim and distant past when they started tearing down the unit. It's worth mentioning that I drove that car over 18,000 miles in some pretty hot weather in 2009 and kept a detailed log of all top-ups, oil changes and fuel used throughout the trip. It was in Tallahassee FL (and at the start of the journey) where I added just three paper cups of water from a hotel water fountain. This was because I'd discovered (and sorted) an airlock in the heater - and I never had to touch it again until the last day but one of the trip when I added another single cup in Grand Junction on the way to Glenn Merrell's place near Denver. This was after Texas, Canadian prairie, driving up Pike's Peak fairly rapidly, the Rockies and all down the West Coast. Come to that, over that journey I only used a quart and a half of oil in top ups, apart from oil changes at 3,000 mile intervals. Cooling-wise and after his superb rebuild, 'uncle jack' was what all Stags *should* have been from the outset - but so few ever were. Jonmac >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: arakelianp at mossmotors.com (Pete Arakelian) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 07:39:29 -0700 Subject: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor >From my old VW days, when there were a number of oil pump options including high pressure and high volume. As I remember the high pressure had more vanes, the high volume had longer vanes. And, I believe, Melling, the choice for VW oil pumps, no longer supplies the high pressure, only the high volume. Peter Arakelian - 1971 TR6 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 15:33:06 -0500 Subject: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor References: <32.F3.31957.D87B5835@cdptpa-oedge01> <000c01cf7b8e$8fd77bb0$af867310$@ukpips.org.uk> > -----Original Message----- From: John Macartney > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:37 PM > To: 'Randall' ; triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor > > When Joe Pawlak and his team of Busted Knucklers at ISOA rebuilt > the engine for 'uncle jack' , Joe removed about half a pound of foundry > sand, bits of bent wire and solid sand core from that block. Joe showed it to me. I should have photogrphed it. > He gave it to > me as a present the following year when he came to the UK to stay with us > and commented that in his opinion it was that junk which had caused head > warpage on the car in the dim and distant past when they started tearing > down the unit. It's worth mentioning that I drove that car over 18,000 > miles > in some pretty hot weather in 2009 and kept a detailed log of all top-ups, > oil changes and fuel used throughout the trip. It was in Tallahassee FL > (and > at the start of the journey) where I added just three paper cups of water > from a hotel water fountain. This was because I'd discovered (and sorted) > an > airlock in the heater - and I never had to touch it again until the last > day > but one of the trip when I added another single cup in Grand Junction on > the > way to Glenn Merrell's place near Denver. This was after Texas, Canadian > prairie, driving up Pike's Peak fairly rapidly, the Rockies and all down > the > West Coast. Come to that, over that journey I only used a quart and a half > of oil in top ups, apart from oil changes at 3,000 mile intervals. > > Cooling-wise and after his superb rebuild, 'uncle jack' was what all Stags > *should* have been from the outset - but so few ever were. > > Jonmac And I appreciate that! I've never had a hint of overheating. I had uncle jack out for a run on Wednesday to a club meeting and a small car show in Bloomington. He's showing a bit of an oil leak somewhere on the right side of the engine, but no more than to show that he's English. In the next month he will be making a return trip to Thunder Bay for the Rendezvous, along the scenic North Shore that Jonmac didn't get to see on his tour, having driven the prairie from here to Winnipeg instead. pethier at comcast.net still works also Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl http://www.mnautox.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 09:30:02 -0700 Subject: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor > Oh Fountainhead of such unquestionable knowledge, may I most > respectfully > suggest you do a quick spool-back and exclude the Stag V8? :) You are quite right, John, I was thinking only of the TR2-6, not the Stag nor other Triumphs that I have no experience with (Spitfire, Herald, etc.). I should have been more explicit. > It's > bete-noire was > cooling. Period. I agree entirely, and yet I still feel that lack of water movement was not it's primary issue. Cooling systems, like chains, are only as strong as their weakest link. The Stags' biggest cooling problem (ignoring things like casting sand left inside the coolant passages and heads that leak combustion gases into the coolant) appears to be lack of air flow through the radiator, combined with insufficient surface area of the radiator. The body design has limited area for air to flow into the radiator, and a largish open space underneath the radiator that I believe allows air to "pile up" in the space behind the radiator, further blocking air flow. Some folks have even observed that upgrading the radiator can be counter-productive, as the increased fin and tube count further obstructs the air flow through the radiator. As I'm sure you know, the Stag underwent several major redesigns of the cooling system. Practically every component was changed at least once. And yet, the water pump itself was not changed during those early revisions. They did eventually switch to a 12 vane pump, but that was much later (after the Stag was no longer imported to the US). The reasons for that change are debatable, but since there were no other cooling changes at the time, the theory that it was a "parts consolidation" effort makes sense to me. I own an early Stag, with the early cooling system completely stock except for a recored radiator. When it runs hot, the water coming back from the radiator is still almost as hot as what went in. If the water flow was the limiting factor in cooling, then the water coming back would be significantly cooler. So, for TR2-6 and Stag, I still feel that lack of water flow is not the main source of cooling problems. I've not tried running a 12 vane pump on my Stags; but I have tried going from 4 to 6 on my TR3, and it made NO detectable difference in cooling. Once I found and fixed the real problem, all the cooling problems disappeared like magic, even with a 4 vane pump. YMMV of course. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 18:07:55 +0100 Subject: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor References: Bob, I agree with the reply saying more flow should result on BETTER cooling, all else being equal. But not everything else is necessarily equal. I think the biggest issue is laminar vs turbulent flow in the head and radiator. Once flow gets turbulent them maybe this worsens or improves heat conduction. I can see arguments both ways. For sure, as soon as flow gets turbulent, then resistance to flow increases. There can be a point where added pressure does not improve flow much even without pipes collapsing -Tony Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2014, at 7:00 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 21:04:25 -0400 > From: "Bob Danielson" <75TR6 at TR6.Danielsonfamily.org> > To: > Subject: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I recently had a TR6 spare water pump rebuilt by The Flying Dutchman and one > of his options is a 6 vane impellor. I installed the pump last week and had > the upper coolant hose (thermostat to manifold) burst yesterday. Between > then and now, it covered over 250 highway miles with no problems. In > examining the hose I can see where it was full of cracks and check marks so > the failure is probably coincidence. As a result of my problem there's a > discussion in 6-Pack on the advantage/disadvantage of a 6 vane water pump. > > One group feels there's less cavitation and more volume pumped through the > system. > > Another group feels it pumps the water through the system too fast and the > radiator can't cool it properly so the car runs hotter. Another view was > that with the thermostat closed it could increase the pressure and expose > the hose as a fail point. > > All speculation and theory so........ does anyone know the > advantages/disadvantages of 4 vs 6 vane? Rimmer and Racetorations both sell > it as an upgrade to the cooling system > > Thanks > > Bob >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: Harrymague at aol.com (Harrymague at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 13:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] 1974 TR6 Headrest Does anybody know how the adjustable headrest on a 1974 TR6 comes off. Got these neat seatbelt guides but I can't figure out if the headrest comes out or the second option is to cut the guides. Thanks Harry Mague >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 11:01:35 -0700 Subject: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor > may I most > respectfully > suggest you do a quick spool-back and exclude the Stag V8? :) > It was a mountain of trouble on the cooling side of things I'm not sure why this showed up again today; but I'd like to clarify what I said before. I think there is no doubt that the Stag cooling system was marginal at best (and criminally negligent at worst). Combined with an engine that is peculiarly sensitive to overheating (as in one boilover can result in thousands of dollars of damage); there is definitely room for improvement (especially with early Stags like mine). But to improve a system, you start by improving the weakest link. Adding more water flow to a cooling system that lacks adequate surface area and/or air flow through the radiator is not going to help (at least not by much), and may even make the situation worse. More flow means more energy to move the water, and that energy winds up as heat. More energy to move the water means more load on the engine, which also increases heat output. The Stag engine has a further weakness in that overloading the water pump drive can result in catastrophic failure (rather than just a slipping belt as on any 'normal' engine). So, to restate, while I agree that there is room for improvement in the cooling system in most Triumphs; I still haven't seen that increased water flow is an effective improvement for TR2-6 and Stag. Still just an opinion, of course, worth everything it costs. YMMV and all that. If you have evidence or anecdotes to the contrary, I'd love to hear them. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 17:28:23 -0700 Subject: [TR] Blown Gasket TR4 part III References: <5387e1a9.2902430a.400f.091fSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Man, I so don't want to do that. But I will. I'll drop the pan and disconnect just the forward two pistons and push the liners with pistons up through the block. Then replace the figure 8 gasket and rebuild. Does that sound OK? John On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Always use something to clamp the liners in place when the head is off > before turning over the engine. Once you break the lower seal on the > liner, it's really best to pull the liner and clean up the figure 8 gasket > surfaces and replace those gaskets. I know that's not what you want to > hear, but that can certainly leak prodigious amounts of water into the oil. > > I use 1/2" drive sockets stacked up on the head studs with enough washers > I can put a head nut on to hold in place. > > Tony Drews > > > At 03:24 PM 5/29/2014, Lee&John Howard wrote: > >> I got back to the car yesterday and found that liner #1 protruded far >> beyond spec at .010. I assembled a few tubes and washers to simulate the >> factory liner hold down tool and managed to press the liner down to .005, >> just at spec. So, this is what probably caused the blow-out, although I >> wonder if simply turning the crank with the head off might have caused the >> liner to lift. >> >> Whatever ( as the grandkids say ad nauseum) - I'm going with the too-high >> liner as the cause, and will use a new and thicker gasket from British >> Parts Northwest. Plus new studs - I'm springing for the ARP's. >> >> As for the exhaust manifold, I'm cutting off the headers ( behind the >> collection point) and having its face trued up. Same with the manifold >> face >> on the head - flattened and new matched studs. Standard heavy duty >> gaskets >> from Moss. >> >> Should be back on the road in a week! Yeah, right. >> >> Thanks again >> >> John Howard >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@ >> tonydrews.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 20:48:49 -0500 Subject: [TR] Blown Gasket TR4 part III mail.com> References: <5387e1a9.2902430a.400f.091fSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: moira.secrest at verizon.net (Martin Secrest) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 13:18:32 -0400 Subject: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast The brakes on my GT6 are pulsing when applied. Not a big deal but noticeable for sure even under moderate braking. Just checked the rotor runout and it's way out of spec on the right and OK (.005) on the left. Should I turn both rotors? They aren't scored; if I turn them must I put in new pads? Martin Secrest From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 22 22:40:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B45E2584C95 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 22:40:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f53.google.com (mail-qa0-f53.google.com [209.85.216.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC442580A07 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 22:40:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id cm18so1134528qab.40 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 21:43:08 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:date :subject:message-id:to; bh=HfmsN3TZrYkehYxbnV/WYS0FaKLVQk/5g6CFAzAaDs8=; b=obnwx+5sYwHfHXrFoyqFvciCqChbgZ8WC/dNzRncZQo/nL28yTZp4X9hlPKNgQeT9N XowXhrdgfkcXYTBKv2aRCRwsg+smJCCA+2loZkrmWMCc89xNPGwp6nQSU8C0coMY/tNr 3rnh/GV5KpAXBv0af0IIiUi5qqXX9HcJpKcgtKoARVDZeeIgBEMPe2oVEOQnAAqXxAk8 tOOspw2QVn3fCP8t9e0cvyZB/NXpkDypII6BmFCb0iKBUIkDoAGHA4aoorhpDseyAybb MChtpyq2D3IG9DxGVRRfDUhz0xjSt4XqjuDsGY4YZOc8cGOVkfbYx7fSGGywXkl3sbj3 d6XQ== i11mr14332177qaq.86.1411447388469; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 21:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.73] (108-64-253-53.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net. [108.64.253.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l4sm9532071qad.41.2014.09.22.21.43.05 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Sep 2014 21:43:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 00:43:05 -0400 To: "spridgets@autox.team.net" Subject: [Spridgets] HolySprite-Planning.pdf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings List, Here is the beginning of the beginning. I tried to sort through the archives and arrange messages by "topic" for lack of a better term. So far I think I've been through three days worth of messages from all of you. The first document deals with planning the move, i.e. getting the route together. The second is donations, I will be sending it next. Roughly speaking I'm thinking of creating a central, general site with images and I have some great summaries written by a few of you that I think would work well here (I will ask permission first of course). >From that main site, links will be made to these more detailed but arranged (and hopefully coherent) message lists so the visitor can read through them and learn the story message by message. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of HolySprite-Planning.pdf] 3 wheel in A2 Sent from my iThingy ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 22 22:43:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F3325844CC for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 22:43:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f42.google.com (mail-qa0-f42.google.com [209.85.216.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CD32580A07 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 22:43:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id dc16so1147164qab.29 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 21:46:24 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:date :subject:message-id:to; bh=1gJHJPrLkiq16qgZf6zXFLgM4wXtKBp8AHMzXf/OWDE=; b=zghCGzc1MYh8hk+DPtUoIzwFd4Vq55LTuSzLa3nflphnpAHcuIzLeqk1MvkpfcLoFc z0IVuCvOQRHMujbiH8xaY45NqG4zgJqGGqed8Gs9i85Iqw3hApbeJnqd5XKo483ViOYm 1xmg9rsWKHvkB6Ncf8oB6IsVr2byYMZ0dNPrK2u2EcSchELEcY74Jp8T8ldWjIESHL1g 7GgizuZ7EQy9Yq0ge8cPRDmxpYHhV14ILbslsGfTYMikaQd/fymQpfODMtvMmcjzacQB Ao800c7k9hOyTxgY2DSyE8M85DN9roMjvTYS5CxRXFT/N+krR8lAgAN8jyH8CdIGwNNS nysA== x1mr29170175qat.56.1411447584456; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 21:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.73] (108-64-253-53.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net. [108.64.253.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j3sm6349994qai.45.2014.09.22.21.46.22 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Sep 2014 21:46:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 00:46:21 -0400 To: spridgets@autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] HolySprite-Donating.pdf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Here is the second document I created. Again it's about three days' worth of emails from the archive. As a reminder, this is not by any means set in stone! I would love feedback on all aspects. My goal is to present how this great experience came to be and honor all those who made it happen. And naturally have it make sense... It will take me a little while to get it together though :-/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of HolySprite-Donating.pdf] Sent from my iThingy ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 22 22:46:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA75D2584D1E for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 22:46:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E912580BD9 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 22:46:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1052C0161; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 22:49:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 22:49:33 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Brian , "spridgets@autox.team.net" References: Subject: Re: [Spridgets] HolySprite-Planning.pdf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry, this list is old school, no attachments. I tried to make a forum available which would allow such, but no one was really interested. Oh well. Send the files directly to me and I can put them on a web page where people can get to them. mjb. From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 13:03:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BC22584554 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 13:03:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f175.google.com (mail-ig0-f175.google.com [209.85.213.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34312580A0E for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 13:03:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f175.google.com with SMTP id h18so5189923igc.8 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:06:49 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gDVFWLg9xbzM4uqMBD7XyZbZVC9bzlwDuqzvcppLXbw=; b=SMN/BMHaQNzZs9lpiEPJYlhg5dpVFsZcKQovUGEZWk7OLPPo4HKr/OmN27UdNGxJom Zi2AIS47tOdnkSPHP49iv6dXe/qg1hVSZdwyLx3Rqer5/UsUm0eAi8tIoE2U+F/rClKr UQGOYeuNx8LjSeQij6igqVV+Va8Ht5oA2Wr4LamxT6wCc1wv80VppScPl/NL0/VVWCeJ uRDNaRcaSFqjvlNx/Jo6+V9d1SxvpTHXhE43YzsGfKm4t/LcTkZce07P62J28vyuz3Kx 67fTrSpl6r5GSJdrSXO/mVbWiKgTMjqBxo6tOfmMGKGRbUVlS7usI1iimFzP7iaxfvMT WkTg== h11mr4615363icq.86.1411499209424; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.81.193 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:06:49 -0700 From: Kirk Hargreaves To: Spridgets Subject: [Spridgets] New Waterless Radiator Coolant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Dear List, While talking about Geo Metro radiators, etc . . I remembered seeing a car show on the Velocity channel where they guys were running a new formulated waterless coolant. Found this on a quick search . . there must be many others out there. http://www.evanscoolants.com/evans_waterless_engine_coolants_faqs.html Does anyone out there know about this type of replacement? Is this a good way to go? Thanks, Kirk ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 13:10:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762B62584582 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 13:10:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f177.google.com (mail-ig0-f177.google.com [209.85.213.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549782580A0E for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 13:10:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f177.google.com with SMTP id h3so5178473igd.16 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:13:12 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=CrnVDRhaVdbRYPGYs4dVqjWlJMKq7Ex5iN4uft4jvRQ=; b=0Hxl7BR/4buKyDsIR+zsWeTM3IhP4wCaq0+ps9lelLO5aTtNMopX+Rp6ZLtL6yyGSC zJ7hRuXuq6muJVFmin3vm8HrpPJHPN6A5v1NifyJVNa+R3YL96AocWnVw1EUvuZjac7v ejjcJqrmDpHyFAt2LD4PKzReKuAwk9u9LBlSDbjx025XXb8So0caZpBkXjVEWU/63BS3 9+dYTIq96JmitUhUlC/LLUyda0oLKDZ0YFloUt9BT/78h3PY3RdHjtkeRGRwmnJbgOjy fB2UExn1WxpCK6nfF+j18Kn4odAOiU6oLxr75ktc8OYZhoOtlwD9yTWL9hAIrg9DUl/q gzUA== h11mr4653689icq.86.1411499592756; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.81.193 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:13:12 -0700 (PDT) References: <20140921.213146.3952.0@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> <002701cfd68d$0ea0dd70$2be29850$@net> <1411417540.37378.YahooMailNeo@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <9B36C923-1EE5-4CAB-9025-EE9A7AFB6876@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:13:12 -0700 From: Kirk Hargreaves To: "bmwwxman ." , Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, Re: a small loss of pressure. Very well might have been why my stock radiators would not keep my engine cool. They were way off the chart into overheated territory. More than what would be expected just because they were designed for a British climate. But I am happy that the situation caused me to pirate the radiator out of the Swift. Kirk PS (I hear that the Type E cooling system can be difficult. That it must be maintained to the max or it will radically overheat). On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:19 PM, bmwwxman . wrote: > Pressure is important. If there is the tiniest leak somewhere in an older > radiator they will overheat. Its like when you have a cracked radiator > hose. The problem then isn't so much that it is leaking coolant but that > it can't maintain the pressure it was designed for. PV=nrT If "V" volume > is constant then (your cooling system) then "T" temperature varies directly > with "P" pressure. Can't tell you how many times I've had overheating due > to a pin hole leak in pressure! Replaced my Midget radiator with a Spanish > made one. Took the old one to a radiator shop I know and they put pressure > on it. It wouldn't hold pressure very long even at atmospheric temperature! > > Cheers!! > Jim > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Kirk Hargreaves > wrote: > >> I went through fits running high temps. My radiator looked to be in good >> shape in terms of not being dirty, closing off the flow, etc. In hind >> site >> it must have been compromised to some degree. I also had three Sprite >> radiators at the time and none of them would keep me cool in summer temps. >> >> I wondered if the Brit radiators are simply not fit for hotter California >> temps? >> >> Sitting on my driveway was my sons Suzuki Swift that he stopped driving. >> The car had some electrical issues that we could not track down. >> >> I gave the car to our "Bugzuki" builder fellow lister, Larry Miller, who >> came up from Salinas (I think Salinas) with a trailer and I kept the >> radiator for my 59 Sprite. >> >> The radiator fit right in place and it has since kept my temps just above >> my thermostat rating of 160 degrees, no matter how hot outside or how long >> I idle at a stop light in 100 degree plus summer temps. Simply wonderful. >> >> I have been told that the radiator I am using is the same found in the Geo >> Metro? >> >> I attached the electric fan to a thermostat under the hood to turn on at a >> certain point. >> >> Of course for those of us who are purists the car is no longer stock . . >> but I have also changed out many other components as well. >> >> Kirk >> 59 1275 >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Glen Byrns wrote: >> >> > Did you say you timed it by ear? Retard the idle timing until it only >> just >> > runs, or better still, whip out the timing light. I would bet on too >> much >> > advance. >> > >> > Glen Byrns >> > >> > > On Sep 22, 2014, at 1:33 PM, Ewing wrote: >> > > >> > > Thanks for all the input so far! >> > > >> > > I left out the info that this is a 1275 bored over to a 1380. >> > > >> > > I plan on checking timing this evening and am going to look for >> Bubbles >> > and >> > > Trixie as well.. then I'll check the radiator smell.. ;-) >> > > >> > > I am leaning more and more to the radiator flow volume. Is there a >> way >> > to >> > > check that? Remove the lower hose and see how fast it drains? >> > > >> > > If no joy on that front then it's the combustion tester for me to rule >> > out >> > a >> > > head problem, (bad head gasket, crack, etc). >> > > >> > > Thanks as always guys, >> > > >> > > Lester >> > > ------------------------ >> > ------------------------ >> > >> > spridgets@autox.team.net >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 >> > >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/khargreaves2@gmail.com >> ------------------------ >> >> spridgets@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation: $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: >> http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/bmwwxman@gmail.com >> > > > > -- > Cheers!! > Jim Johnson > Sprite-Midget Club USA > High Plains Youth Hockey > Dodge City Trail of Fame > Electronic Journal of Severe Storms Meteorology > Dodge City 300 > > *"Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that > they look forward to the trip."* > > *Winston Churchill* ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 13:25:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4CE258455B for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 13:25:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f171.google.com (mail-wi0-f171.google.com [209.85.212.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900A025807A2 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 13:25:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f171.google.com with SMTP id ho1so5590425wib.16 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:28:46 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=p7i6/G2fZLI0uzyvJ77WdAVkmt4ytoaHuIJnPnVwe9E=; b=DvlrtzmLUKe00d40fC1rUTrhehmZ8a/9oH0zhZfIWRMtYKUR8NBW2zE8kJ9jr0oggP 0MmS6/sXoOyikX6wQjW/9oKmvLq0Hzak4y8ZoYCcrcIo6+PdmBRQsRbbFbbWVHcrJMRx RqDA49bfGSWRTFZEwx3HcKHT35T453NlRaY2EWxD9fnzgXkkKXi+3VoMKaMFXhTOWb7i Iy7z6zBYcqpzHm+PVN4FTxqMXKoV8+qkvHQx66SHNQSWbhXIeJtCTrKKFsfiKfgQ2FCX YLWhiOZ+8zZ7zQcjsqVe7uYG0KQpcJOHXKg48SH5vUOdEjPVey0RLnooFIa5WuvSC1vU hiBg== o8mr25680717wic.66.1411500526283; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.203.7 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:28:46 -0700 (PDT) References: <6D5BF1FF-8E92-463D-AC02-913995E26918@ti.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:28:46 -0200 From: Linda Grunthaner To: "Fisher, Ed" Cc: "spridgets@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite write-up across the world Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Long live the fond memories of a great man, Frank Clarici. Lin On Friday, September 19, 2014, Fisher, Ed wrote: > Frank continues to pay it forward from beyond. I vote yes, not that I > should > have a say, as only an outside admirer to those who so selflessly gave of > their time, talent, and resources. I have told the story to anyone who > would > listen and going global only makes sense to me. Again, I defer to the men > and women involved tangibly. > > Respectfully, > > Ed in Dallas, Tx > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/grunthaner@gmail.com ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 13:49:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E57A258450F for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 13:49:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.net.isc.upenn.edu (smtp3.net.isc.upenn.edu [128.91.251.124]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495F825807EF for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 13:49:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from proxy2.zimbra.upenn.edu (proxy2.zimbra.upenn.edu [128.91.251.133]) by smtp3.net.isc.upenn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C59219EB3; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cajal.uphs.upenn.edu (node3.uphs.upenn.edu [165.123.243.167]) by mail.med.upenn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 21E0AA19D9; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:52:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Larry Macy Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:52:29 -0400 References: To: Brian Cc: Spridgets net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] HolySprite-Planning.pdf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net As one of the participants, I would be glad to help out. I have a ton of photos of the whole thing as well as the journey across the continent of the shell. Hopefully Mike will pitch in with his thoughts as the new owner of the Holy Sprite. Larry > On Sep 23, 2014, at 00:43 AM, Brian wrote: > > Greetings List, > > Here is the beginning of the beginning. I tried to sort through the archives > and arrange messages by "topic" for lack of a better term. So far I think > I've been through three days worth of messages from all of you. > > The first document deals with planning the move, i.e. getting the route > together. > > The second is donations, I will be sending it next. > > Roughly speaking I'm thinking of creating a central, general site with images > and I have some great summaries written by a few of you that I think would > work well here (I will ask permission first of course). > > From that main site, links will be made to these more detailed but arranged > (and hopefully coherent) message lists so the visitor can read through them > and learn the story message by message. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of HolySprite-Planning.pdf] > 3 wheel in A2 > > Sent from my iThingy > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/lmacy@mac.com -- Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. macy@upenn.edu Senior IT Program Director Neuropsychiatry Section Department of Psychiatry Perelman School of Medicine University of Pennsylvania 3400 Spruce St. - 10 Gates Philadelphia, PA 19104 "Life begins at the end of your comfort zone" Neale Donald Walsch ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 14:01:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA4B258456D for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A6A25807A2 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [67.170.134.133] (helo=spider) by smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1XWWJb-0006fS-UR for spridgets@autox.team.net; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:04:00 -0400 From: To: Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 13:03:54 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/XYnLPH1r5QYYZQKWNw858hveoVQABrTSgAAATCbA= Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Swift radiators on eBay start at $44. Bill in oregon http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_sop=15&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udlo =43&_udhi&_nkw=Swift%20radiator&rt=nc&_pppn=r1 or http://tinyurl.com/p3axrfa ============================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Spridgets [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kirk Hargreaves Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:13 PM To: bmwwxman .; Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. Jim, Re: a small loss of pressure. Very well might have been why my stock radiators would not keep my engine cool. They were way off the chart into overheated territory. More than what would be expected just because they were designed for a British climate. But I am happy that the situation caused me to pirate the radiator out of the Swift. Kirk PS (I hear that the Type E cooling system can be difficult. That it must be maintained to the max or it will radically overheat). ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 15:11:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F072580A0E for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:11:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70A72580963 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:11:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20140923211437.RRGE6437.mta31.charter.net@imp10>; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:14:37 -0400 Received: from mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net ([68.114.190.30]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id ulEc1o00B0fnx6C05lEcMf; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:14:36 -0400 Received: from impout002 ([68.114.189.17]) by mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net (InterMail vM.9.00.013.00 201-2473-140) with ESMTP id <20140923211436.LBHD24410.mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net@impout002>; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:14:36 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.148] ([71.10.17.119]) by impout002 with charter.net id ulEc1o0052a8AQ701lEc3z; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:14:36 -0500 a=9DBWqpk8duxUv73Sj1gU9A==:117 a=9DBWqpk8duxUv73Sj1gU9A==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=2frnK3Dc3xQA:10 a=-mH4izbcmk8A:10 a=7Vtkk4Wg9cEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=4ycV2vTZAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Yv5hFsS2AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=52Kjw7T7lC6GEb4xTfMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=j2tlWjKR8UQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=OpnbjhRAqwMA:10 References: From: Rick Fisk Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:14:39 -0400 To: Kirk Hargreaves Cc: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] New Waterless Radiator Coolant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net I haven't tried it yet, but will as soon as my Bugeye is ready for coolant. Jay Leno thinks the stuff is great, FWIW. Sent from my keyboard > On Sep 23, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: > > Dear List, > > > While talking about Geo Metro radiators, etc . . I remembered seeing a car > show on the Velocity channel where they guys were running a new formulated > waterless coolant. > > Found this on a quick search . . there must be many others out there. > > http://www.evanscoolants.com/evans_waterless_engine_coolants_faqs.html > > Does anyone out there know about this type of replacement? Is this a good > way to go? > > > Thanks, > > Kirk > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/refisk@chartermi.net ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 16:25:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D712584530 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:25:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f173.google.com (mail-lb0-f173.google.com [209.85.217.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F382580B26 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:25:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 10so7840315lbg.18 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:28:02 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=uLmwhw8JbqYGrzx2QLZ0LkH39FsbLp/PJMDLop3VCyw=; b=ojCUIGc27Qc6ae2+lSW6MMd192khYIGrfuBSROurC6ja7RLrWiBzJkayVlxpwJMiAg NMy4X5YxYxgFunYfj+U/miQ3ehXzxadZU851HYd9cWybpznvA8+5UD1xrgy+wTD8TF6e xwv+LmCPJEjkGlyRF943XkXsIMDfXXF3HIIt/zG2fanqH6uwfwLsajte/iPdWCcLcM82 aXDA7ybLU4e2vus05AuU54uhmDhZU9lulRq7dp5WsxlO2Lf0DP/dg5+3YKSlHnEi09Os I0/27QMfkeVqxVqEFbd0gcN+lL6b5AZQo2MOJZaqtQ9mSMR0q0sIHSjDKP5boJkmXjKe MJ3Q== o8mr2285189lal.71.1411511282255; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.149.36 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:28:02 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 18:28:02 -0400 From: Kevin Valentine To: Larry Macy Cc: Spridgets net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] HolySprite-Planning.pdf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net There are some pictures here; https://plus.google.com/photos/113292923399202387803/albums/5238636642830274081?banner=pwa On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Larry Macy wrote: > As one of the participants, I would be glad to help out. I have a ton of > photos of the whole thing as well as the journey across the continent of > the > shell. Hopefully Mike will pitch in with his thoughts as the new owner of > the > Holy Sprite. > > Larry > > > On Sep 23, 2014, at 00:43 AM, Brian wrote: > > > > Greetings List, > > > > Here is the beginning of the beginning. I tried to sort through the > archives > > and arrange messages by "topic" for lack of a better term. So far I > think > > I've been through three days worth of messages from all of you. > > > > The first document deals with planning the move, i.e. getting the route > > together. > > > > The second is donations, I will be sending it next. > > > > Roughly speaking I'm thinking of creating a central, general site with > images > > and I have some great summaries written by a few of you that I think > would > > work well here (I will ask permission first of course). > > > > From that main site, links will be made to these more detailed but > arranged > > (and hopefully coherent) message lists so the visitor can read through > them > > and learn the story message by message. > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a > name > of HolySprite-Planning.pdf] > > 3 wheel in A2 > > > > Sent from my iThingy > > ------------------------ > > > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/lmacy@mac.com > > > -- > > Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. > macy@upenn.edu > Senior IT Program Director > Neuropsychiatry Section > Department of Psychiatry > Perelman School of Medicine > University of Pennsylvania > 3400 Spruce St. - 10 Gates > Philadelphia, PA 19104 > > "Life begins at the end of your comfort zone" > Neale Donald Walsch > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/kevinv1275@gmail.com ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 17:34:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08852584584 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:34:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4FB2584549 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:34:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13C22C03D7 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:37:04 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Spridget list Subject: [Spridgets] Frank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net The recent discussion of Frank, Jack Drews birthday, etc. have finally motivated me to getting around to another project that has been on the back burner for quite some time. http://www.team.net/memory.html Content free at the moment, but with the assistance of folks here should be fleshed out soon. Send me what you would like to see. Thanks, mjb. ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 17:46:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0CA25845CB for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:46:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.193]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43742584470 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:46:31 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1411516169; bh=p4VjvSpI5vsUF2s/30W/+Z6bA4U/QXnIYHtLhkAQU8Q=; b=y34kzU+gLUFiDXCaEVtUag2e1RZndzf6ojo8yw0wla87699p9sm6vYbDlJRUU1O9qbeZkSzY2QvRmINHWVUzoC+S6NOBEcieel9cjbQm8528RFvbAfvkD1nhLvVS+UyboQ3L6znPoHcrRkDKK+hVYLPqFf6i01oFCJ8e29zCco0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; b=F0b129OUrhySM73KjqwIvK4T/3FR0l2pS1RWRsjXwPReksCpTbFgZEiaOMr1ke1A+mrvHY+6kjuj6Z+LetJ+8cfPIEBxh4N2HQbKHynjCxNctnUU3SEYWZBMDVuDEzg0Cs9HVUGi7TOIo9unQSyPO5uBj0Tz5cuGJvfeeY7NhHo=; Received: from [216.39.60.167] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2014 23:49:29 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.241] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2014 23:49:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2014 23:49:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411516169; bh=p4VjvSpI5vsUF2s/30W/+Z6bA4U/QXnIYHtLhkAQU8Q=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=hsR/3fQ39hGuDqr5NsNBwzLFsIb4VE4Skf3dPd7RHiOJWbWExAZC7eZs30qqMAyn9I+KDBKpUB/20yZ+7gM5i6tUHLHdVaUp9YSoENk6wDcWORAX/aaGRxFdoYvm0pfoP1mEoELG/sMzQkbf1ePPrkgWGvdw0ddicd0tNSgkwG4= 3G9lSJdMPeYpenXU_c75KSwC1pg8lb3_6jjN0fT_6kz_.S9SqQP2Yy16uaab C9m7ac8msnxZWkwSYq2iVodFelgHx9pJCsmbgPUuNYkEU_nTS3zFnfVOlv3Y vDe.eUxEgOSLLdus56_oOQpbct05GpBSR4owMpR6M7Z3Mmcdn5v3IhCDZ4TG s4xaImYLJJKw3u0M145GMs5x2UxfSL4Od9GTw2wksAwnaWKHhm3O2Q8MR_Yv _t86dn55TK1RWXeUwxQcwlotPisU1fqdXJamOA8Sk2B4RaTUK4mxJD0qXPft qCR84cDepQcvLA_eOOAhfVTGTVnfwXG7znlL0iT9HF.mgtua9_SIkrdUJCuJ sFI3ZgtO6WlvMPuhhM1Z.52aqbZlqzfLtGDQ6g0ZeqeCTydunSJsTJYlJZc4 7yER1yHDRCgjbmsbtwf.oNfAVD5YnVBzoLrJEzXHeNtQ4Z0Qzr9wUm3jyByT ivrvvRZz_CxbEuwSrDHZsve82kx1xa6.Isqy8xsJZBS4lVm01tQp7dCw1d9z 57lFP3zAdZ4cdTDHvoQUp3itP_OLZObYFsp0jRjzwR0vUJQ-- From: "Larry Daniels" To: "Mark J Bradakis" , "Spridget list" References: <54220420.2020402@bradakis.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 18:48:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Let's not forget Paul A. In many ways, he contributed as much to this community as Frank did. Just a little more low key. -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:37 PM To: Spridget list Subject: [Spridgets] Frank The recent discussion of Frank, Jack Drews birthday, etc. have finally motivated me to getting around to another project that has been on the back burner for quite some time. http://www.team.net/memory.html Content free at the moment, but with the assistance of folks here should be fleshed out soon. Send me what you would like to see. Thanks, mjb. ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/ladaniels@sbcglobal.net ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 19:26:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EF92584562 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B1925807BC for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:25:54 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1411522132; bh=ao6z27CP8St/TXuEJdb5jqJ+fvUQE4LWLi93GR5fChM=; b=LevUtEC3vV4uSGpYWeWL5UF/5J0yOQb4y5RSatgnKdK9umq6X6J2CaSP6TmOW/U8qLEUXtcZO7LqJzBqw4tWfklnDkRsv6RFHxpXN7wGzORYaoOxBtHEC4P+THGp09RHwK7tkONg8D5PyK68N6/9aJNcilbbH1s52V64iKXRbC0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=GPEw1N+IvlfA/mkkBPBdvSwX1tP1uJKm7xS8YtJnCB/yeYoIfwDT8g6l+34sXGA7kQGfT0ystWE4pI59cM5Wo3H9B06VxFqZg2qNE1SU2In44xSAptoYdfSCgSTy5D/akBy3x51fTYzSMT2vlVMzTxgamYIp8s8zrYC7oaLIXVo=; Received: from [98.137.12.188] by nm24.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 01:28:52 -0000 Received: from [98.136.164.72] by tm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 01:28:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp234.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 01:28:52 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411522132; bh=ao6z27CP8St/TXuEJdb5jqJ+fvUQE4LWLi93GR5fChM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Importance:From:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b/N1eZcvH8WCA5lJEsQ3sgdS9EUy8Yl269T+EiaauODcqkXMsxGp60uEuoHAwsHnxC2vO3VZbkCsKI5ibLpAONSQ8UdiTko3MaEbhw64GL9tKmz2dA7SV7qk83ogUIMejawugOh3ProCUAPE4jxwXaim/nsDIwSR/d9hxiNSXxY= JJ4OlIJYUvomadUaQka1SJ1WP4KC0hshPIQcSVKSSMlDZ3ynD0SDtdlbjoPa 0j4EBmP2dH1Lv5e.8YdZMxZQRK60yAgS7aOp.9V6HLu2XTDN6Wd1AVDi8TYR XBSMrR1tkwnhXA.HOKzILs6.90YRL2oFyesLLSCeg2zdumDpj_bv7yc_GgRf LsGBuG0xwH_j02rUCDbxNZabM4oZHjRRI006AKGkvG4UJGKd71RGfPioivzQ qNnc0B16JbLgOmQM5UgAUnZMm8WWkxBk6ophatHblgsosIodxnk_tAS34YtE 1uK9vn5kAG6FbCD55z21cQxYQPIiB_M9RivLwGEiqrI0iHnRdG55s0jSQWQ6 _gDN2fTHieTYuQUI2gqQE3XtRE1hvwRhDn6nsNNzBmp_epy5XoQ4s54M7Gln ADgj6UbRMWGuEWCfZFcl8IxaThF9Z3ykz8mJgEejNT3_E3Xk4THDIeNhQM8S sBH6Nuo5G0m.5Sf6xgTPLeht1ViFkqrfPVTxSw.xdN2pK67YdAGsII7KRjV4 P.FCnsau5ppwbc615qz1vH9720bOmWnVq4Pjwn9etrSAXZgo4cn4PR2yfPVK .49z7fqK8Qw3bIIvZ.Iv8LWX3hNuawg5mw2L1fW8WvOokl0fhXTPler97OFE EVJEg793lc2vTwbQpXlVvepIuI6ziI__KdLFllrMQU5bLgBYpIg-- Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 18:28:45 -0700 From: "rrengineer.mike" To: Rick Fisk , Kirk Hargreaves Cc: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] New Waterless Radiator Coolant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net When I was running the Judson supercharger on my original 948 I used Evans Waterless coolant. B Jay Leno liked the stuff because his cars have a closed system. B The Bugeye overflows to the outside atmosphere. B The smell of this stuff is interesting. It smells like pancake syrup to me. B Once it smells, that smell will be there long after you go back to regular coolant. B The stuff works though. You just have to get used to throw higher Temps without boiling over. B A Geo rad would be a better idea. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 Sent via the Samsung GALAXY SB. 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Rick Fisk Date:09/23/2014 14:14 (GMT-08:00) To: Kirk Hargreaves Cc: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] New Waterless Radiator Coolant I haven't tried it yet, but will as soon as my Bugeye is ready for coolant. Jay Leno thinks the stuff is great, FWIW. Sent from my keyboard > On Sep 23, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: > > Dear List, > > > While talking about Geo Metro radiators, etc . . I remembered seeing a car > show on the Velocity channel where they guys were running a new formulated > waterless coolant. > > Found this on a quick search . . there must be many others out there. > > http://www.evanscoolants.com/evans_waterless_engine_coolants_faqs.html > > Does anyone out there know about this type of replacement? Is this a good > way to go? > > > Thanks, > > Kirk > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/refisk@chartermi.net ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 19:31:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DCD2584549 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:31:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8A525807BC for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:31:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.71]) by resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id upRL1o0041YDfWL01pa9t0; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 01:34:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.23] ([75.65.249.164]) by omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id upa81o00e3ZZswj3gpa9z6; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 01:34:09 +0000 From: Lester Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 20:34:07 -0500 References: <8D1A5544CD329EE-1530-9E7F@webmail-vm009.sysops.aol.com> <1411495324.45533.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com, Spridgets list s=q20140121; t=1411522449; bh=SE8/Wae61ef8L7KGWZgYThIVtNnJz2GHg7XNPQlY27s=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=VlwmM4FuDC6HrW2JAsdI78rbZ/kaGSvJGELRb0tnnPFsTAoVttrfICWRsyJTU+wBS K2m0OfJx/zAPwuhArhbxBDpo8NQENUYN1QBK+FncMO+/h0j/47oyyx2VvcqkE1x+Vt mVkpxtOGQZv2eqXRyNx8kel0fUD6zcOGIN9h9HWoTiTVQV8RNpO7z/rC2lZ5JFVGOk 8Pma3/Bzrho5DoMRHTITAeLENV84Xhi6ltGQ7ZNHGiirxXrsYjUGHS2VZNZFs4HM99 v6SUKckaKPoYpxuGNpyA+zl5emhML0m+jJt+RrOD9my6wrAhaGY4kskNI/0gci4NoP dhnbKR213dQpA== Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Well the gases in the system test is negative.. which is good. Only leaves water pump and radiator by my reckoning.. Ughhgghhhh Lester ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 20:16:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB3C258454A for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 20:16:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E6D25807BC for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 20:13:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id uqEM1o00527AodY01qG5MA; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 02:16:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.23] ([75.65.249.164]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uqG31o00Q3ZZswj3fqG4i6; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 02:16:05 +0000 From: Lester Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 21:16:02 -0500 To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com, Spridgets list References: <8D1A5544CD329EE-1530-9E7F@webmail-vm009.sysops.aol.com> <1411495324.45533.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1A009963-A7FD-4CA5-B0AE-88B957FED0B0@comcast.net> s=q20140121; t=1411524965; bh=pu/GSlM3tC0z1D5ydbAh5qT2f7vmxISu5HDCUXFm9Dk=; h=Received:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:To: Message-Id; b=mv30FXt6P+VGC0LASlFZ/YYntvTzQdmUycSIvKXXVAkJyOD06rJvTFHMwnU1YNNPA /p2L07nbY7Fyq32RI/nJbSRUo8kLcPO75xEzyOWA2id49R/YNkqmQ6Vj3uTJNTHQtD irv+Zif/+LoqqYL1KDbEwOTOd2t+00VP/K378QYKtuVjPMMEINzrcBinuBML38py1A fxLV1nst5POrjmF/9LlTtfu90y7UZnCZGkthchCDXyWh4iOJb54O8ExSXv0Prv1DPx /LImdE5p1+t2NvAIQycF9upIXeB3ozBFS7JH1ggJnLVe6C9hM7y8PWRl7MEjnz3Rj+ OVCmPEKqEa4Ew== Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Certainly worth asking, but no. On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:36 PM, Randy Alkins wrote: > Is thermo. Upside down in housing > > On Sep 23, 2014 9:34 PM, "Lester" wrote: > Well the gases in the system test is negative.. which is good. Only leaves > water pump and radiator by my reckoning.. > > Ughhgghhhh > > Lester > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/randyalkins@gmail.com ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 21:20:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16BB2584549 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 21:20:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f172.google.com (mail-ig0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AEF2580915 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 21:20:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f172.google.com with SMTP id a13so5816733igq.5 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 20:23:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=g4jFRKnfif0bghhLM5Onk4sUZGQ2OnFoTYh+Yc8CGEQ=; b=HcpLpkRA5tUaix/e4aveP8iPNiEyy+56Sr+uJQNxxERDwc8Lh/xHHIMxoQiDP36nB9 8LgsGyIm1gvA/0XRECJ2yU2KlTkoU00DnKrrhb/fdk9yBupPMDD/bZIayCDyWsaVOd0X RbM7EYFF3smUyZieB3KSQN/oH7TdBqlHHRLE3NwIQYt/sXaHmzH7Y3NeUxCsxsCIJZOG cuvOD8SYdTylwDyHRD8tuqlRsDfWLkhbCZnFLe0k4ibJFWuMG5nXxWJbdPHaXm33x60V JdbiKhI8ad3rehQ8ekM7ehxtpc1PyMy6Dlmq13yXbftGt41VADed9XpIDj60vM8Oy/0j 1aPQ== Tue, 23 Sep 2014 20:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.87.231 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 20:23:48 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:23:48 -0500 From: "bmwwxman ." To: "K. Valentine" Cc: Spridgets net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] HolySprite-Planning.pdf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net There was a great picture of most of the Holy Sprite crew wearing the T shirt inside Franks garage. I thought sure I had it but can't find it now. Who's got that picture? Cheers!! Jim On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Kevin Valentine wrote: > There are some pictures here; > > > https://plus.google.com/photos/113292923399202387803/albums/5238636642830274081?banner=pwa > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Larry Macy wrote: > > > As one of the participants, I would be glad to help out. I have a ton of > > photos of the whole thing as well as the journey across the continent of > > the > > shell. Hopefully Mike will pitch in with his thoughts as the new owner of > > the > > Holy Sprite. > > > > Larry > > > > > On Sep 23, 2014, at 00:43 AM, Brian wrote: > > > > > > Greetings List, > > > > > > Here is the beginning of the beginning. I tried to sort through the > > archives > > > and arrange messages by "topic" for lack of a better term. So far I > > think > > > I've been through three days worth of messages from all of you. > > > > > > The first document deals with planning the move, i.e. getting the route > > > together. > > > > > > The second is donations, I will be sending it next. > > > > > > Roughly speaking I'm thinking of creating a central, general site with > > images > > > and I have some great summaries written by a few of you that I think > > would > > > work well here (I will ask permission first of course). > > > > > > From that main site, links will be made to these more detailed but > > arranged > > > (and hopefully coherent) message lists so the visitor can read through > > them > > > and learn the story message by message. > > > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a > > name > > of HolySprite-Planning.pdf] > > > 3 wheel in A2 > > > > > > Sent from my iThingy > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/lmacy@mac.com > > > > > > -- > > > > Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. > > macy@upenn.edu > > Senior IT Program Director > > Neuropsychiatry Section > > Department of Psychiatry > > Perelman School of Medicine > > University of Pennsylvania > > 3400 Spruce St. - 10 Gates > > Philadelphia, PA 19104 > > > > "Life begins at the end of your comfort zone" > > Neale Donald Walsch > > ------------------------ > > > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/kevinv1275@gmail.com > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/bmwwxman@gmail.com > -- Cheers!! Jim Johnson Sprite-Midget Club USA High Plains Youth Hockey Dodge City Trail of Fame Electronic Journal of Severe Storms Meteorology Dodge City 300 *"Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip."* *Winston Churchill* ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 22:37:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99999258456B for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mailbag.wi.net (mail-out.wi.net [209.225.111.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABA825807F2 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:36:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.225.111.205] (helo=wm.wi.net) by mailbag.wi.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XWeMR-0004e1-NQ for spridgets@autox.team.net; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 23:39:27 -0500 Received: from 184.243.229.97 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dwoerpel) by wm.wi.net with HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 23:39:38 -0500 (CDT) References: <54220420.2020402@bradakis.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 23:39:38 -0500 (CDT) From: dwoerpel@wi.net Cc: "Spridget list" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.13 Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Good start Mark! Another name for you: Paul Asggierson of Aggierson Morris Service. Wow, a lot of memories are coming to the fore. Thanks for doing this! Dave W. > The recent discussion of Frank, Jack Drews birthday, etc. have finally > motivated me to getting > around to another project that has been on the back burner for quite some > time. > > http://www.team.net/memory.html > > Content free at the moment, but with the assistance of folks here should > be fleshed out soon. > > Send me what you would like to see. > > Thanks, > > mjb. > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/dwoerpel@wi.net ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 22:46:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D772258456D for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:46:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5532258454A for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:44:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D029F2C03D7 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:47:07 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:47:07 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Spridget list References: <54220420.2020402@bradakis.com> <17697.184.243.229.97.1411533578.squirrel@wm.wi.net> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net dwoerpel@wi.net wrote: > Good start Mark! Another name for you: Paul Asggierson of > Aggierson Morris Service. > > Wow, a lot of memories are coming to > the fore. Thanks for doing this! We'll see how it works out. At the very least I may need a waterproof cover for my keyboard. Oh wait, ignore that, I am a hard hearted bastard, nothing affects me! So there! mjb. ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 23:34:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BD42584617 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 23:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6381D258456B for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 23:33:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.173] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 05:36:46 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.241] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 05:36:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 05:36:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 85797 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2014 05:36:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411537006; bh=ILx009u8R+Pt7BFH1Mbp5T4XFSFlBHM0R2C1E3T1YOQ=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gREfLu6RzItYXa8jBvKg+qw7X57K7TqZrHFibfp+xNzUvou80d5TrRRFOzGsQVcuaX4pGhZNNnvccRpO0q7y09W8deNHjPpEffn2zBujbFqT2pFEPBxO1QabZsUkAUrSWtJHFO0TdaQUst4gM+3aHZF6nyqSs/g/1MAtT9zny4A= .G0X9A7UfPvxNdl4DtfiPfORNZyRoTI_bWd2dLFLv88xyzAXh5gy5gkTy1bw Hl0_W8AuxDFU9pSaUo38xiNryJ.Pd3F1_BGAS1CcU9gcz67uzyBHWdmwse2P yYYG0opQQaVcu3Dk4WAJkj9pjugvH4zxN8HQGyvTp_5bSQnaeKmDxU1B7CI. j_WkMvgq_c5wAqrg75syv0otsO5VeJUhXz3Xrpsk8WZ4H2y1syuXDjbePBOX oyZjOdResOIPjKFAOttVoe8kWzfOD8Ma425N06HeZ_9C3cqY.38HQAs1CivN 9.EogK6Yaej03cDXkJFL4vDjD_NkOCqV5C_Ku9mR7.WLgsvLaYpPq5mE.b8c qXW_145fthy_6ghjfiMNtB9skfT3z9wzQDJ.gM_sAR1a8zrHtwnzgJJRkjc7 vtUYlWHibYd2EfUjjmYzayLXWsoDttrZTsCcyeVqPf8fp7IeQ9._KHDGij2K YRAWybwDvNARyFdTrHb3ayAdXLxC070b9s69oOg621DQr9bW0EnXWL_QnacJ 02aC6izcZO4Dp5gJ_2kcsdqlhHUjTrk.VB1HakbJgAvmB7e07jza3B.rFuyj ZMco_IKMqQTQZdmWwiupThDazmOLs9GQDtVjfF6MvUExrA4w_BahYCjmiBJT tpfH__7WFLaORP8uKOT5kz.SUFKbW0o8ibCc6norx97eqRj42Pa4lPff5My5 BU7t_8l3OULW08nY5uE5J81rLr6h.rdcdsR1oL6yBytcMZ_656Hrj6lRFQ4o FhiemMgCXHTyN5xhCDA8FX2XXWbgZNXzpr4RhFYYgLUjiwb4wVoBbH3WE5_g e60f2ZsqkXMNwXpYjdsk- Received: from [99.101.224.218] by web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:36:46 PDT SGVyZSBpcyBGcmFuaydzIG93biB3b3JkcyBvbiBpcyByYWQgY29udmVyc2lvbiBmcm9tIFNwcml0ZSBTcG90OgoKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5zcHJpdGVzcG90LmNvbS9waHBCQjMvdmlld3RvcGljLnBocD9mPTM0JnQ9MTEzCgpNaWtlIE1hY0xlYW4KNjAgU3ByaXRlCjU2IEJOMgoKCgpPbiBUdWVzZGF5LCBTZXB0ZW1iZXIgMjMsIDIwMTQgMTowNCBQTSwgImNvcnZhbGxpc0BwZW9wbGVwYy5jb20iIDxjb3J2YWxsaXNAcGVvcGxlcGMuY29tPiB3cm90ZToKIAoKPgo.Cj5Td2lmdCByYWRpYXRvcnMgb24gZUJheSBzdGEBMAEBAQE- References: <48359778CD8F42C69BE16FBE6EEE7E68@spider> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:36:46 -0700 From: Michael MacLean To: "corvallis@peoplepc.com" , "spridgets@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] FW: Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Here is Frank's own words on is rad conversion from Sprite Spot: http://www.spritespot.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=113 Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:04 PM, "corvallis@peoplepc.com" wrote: > > >Swift radiators on eBay start at $44. Bill in oregon >http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_sop=15&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udlo >=43&_udhi&_nkw=Swift%20radiator&rt=nc&_pppn=r1 > >or >http://tinyurl.com/p3axrfa > >============================================================== >-----Original Message----- >From: Spridgets [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kirk >Hargreaves >Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:13 PM >To: bmwwxman .; Spridgets >Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. > >Jim, > > >Re: a small loss of pressure. > >Very well might have been why my stock radiators would not keep my engine >cool. They were way off the chart into overheated territory. > >More than what would be expected just because they were designed for a >British climate. > >But I am happy that the situation caused me to pirate the radiator out of >the Swift. > > >Kirk > >PS >(I hear that the Type E cooling system can be difficult. That it must be >maintained to the max or it will radically overheat). >------------------------ > >spridgets@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/rrengineer.mike@att.net ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 06:55:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2533258459E for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 06:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640AE25807F5 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 06:55:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id d1so7203518wiv.0 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 05:58:03 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FgTAlmyp0tkcU1oBqx2DcQPq6u3mdGwlbQ0anV8AZxk=; b=NJPzO7EOcmP/N+nR54txg2AMG+rJ+JHmN1BaOo+Ghxp2X/c4V0eUz0ho9Bq07RdNFB bQdPDWcVW2fhL5znyYNnYqyctoHKk2Uah1DAya6Aotox8E3jUpEwv82hsmrFxR15NJD4 r9ZLYCxxD+wmkDYMo1F1gVWdRjAGb5UMTpmmJZCz9fTFzUoIn1pbCc0M3e+EQfgSfcQj YEB+aSijMJfh/oBAMfz08EhxeoqcU5TSGKXHrXwXWh74LNLtvsUUCVq5WlORqT44Hm7a 4J9F6DY8ZqfcBFBVcB6G4SgOREx9qPvgqT1KfCQVLNY16+SIk6cam7n2LGjhUZkXn1FP Z70g== k11mr31590681wie.38.1411563483544; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 05:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.6.228 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 05:58:03 -0700 (PDT) References: <54220420.2020402@bradakis.com> <17697.184.243.229.97.1411533578.squirrel@wm.wi.net> <54224CCB.3020500@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:58:03 -0400 From: HealeyRick To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: Spridget list Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Don't forget Biff! And "Montanna Bob". On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > dwoerpel@wi.net wrote: > >> Good start Mark! Another name for you: Paul Asggierson of >> Aggierson Morris Service. >> >> Wow, a lot of memories are coming to >> the fore. Thanks for doing this! >> > > We'll see how it works out. At the very least I may need a waterproof > cover for my keyboard. > Oh wait, ignore that, I am a hard hearted bastard, nothing affects me! So > there! > > mjb. > ------------------------ ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 08:01:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47FCE25844C7 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.net.isc.upenn.edu (smtp2.net.isc.upenn.edu [128.91.255.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C44525844EC for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:00:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from proxy1.zimbra.upenn.edu (proxy1.zimbra.upenn.edu [128.91.251.132]) by smtp2.net.isc.upenn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95E619669; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [170.212.109.15] (node3.uphs.upenn.edu [165.123.243.167]) by mail.med.upenn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E01FEA217A; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:03:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Larry Macy Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:03:08 -0400 References: To: "bmwwxman ." Cc: Spridgets net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] HolySprite-Planning.pdf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net All of the Holy Sprite pics I have are up on my Flicker account. There are 4 albums with about 500 pics. HolySprite - driver contributed as the shell made it across the country (158 pics) Holy Sprite - Arrives the first day at Fransk as we took it off the trailer (which was bent) and tore off the remaining suspension bits (94 pics) Holy Sprite - Begin the Body all of the body work including the lead filler we found while welding (51 pics) Holy Sprite - Rite of Transubstantiation Assembly to first drives. (212 pics) The pic Jim is looking for is here Please note, it is NOT everyone that worked on this, just those that were there that day, and went to church that morning to hear Father Jack, and surprise him. ;-) And yes the church did survive our presence. Larry > On Sep 23, 2014, at 23:23 PM, bmwwxman . wrote: > > There was a great picture of most of the Holy Sprite crew wearing the T shirt inside Franks garage. I thought sure I had it but can't find it now. Who's got that picture? > > Cheers!! > Jim > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Kevin Valentine wrote: > There are some pictures here; > > https://plus.google.com/photos/113292923399202387803/albums/52386366428302740 81?banner=pwa > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Larry Macy wrote: > > > As one of the participants, I would be glad to help out. I have a ton of > > photos of the whole thing as well as the journey across the continent of > > the > > shell. Hopefully Mike will pitch in with his thoughts as the new owner of > > the > > Holy Sprite. > > > > Larry > > > > > On Sep 23, 2014, at 00:43 AM, Brian wrote: > > > > > > Greetings List, > > > > > > Here is the beginning of the beginning. I tried to sort through the > > archives > > > and arrange messages by "topic" for lack of a better term. So far I > > think > > > I've been through three days worth of messages from all of you. > > > > > > The first document deals with planning the move, i.e. getting the route > > > together. > > > > > > The second is donations, I will be sending it next. > > > > > > Roughly speaking I'm thinking of creating a central, general site with > > images > > > and I have some great summaries written by a few of you that I think > > would > > > work well here (I will ask permission first of course). > > > > > > From that main site, links will be made to these more detailed but > > arranged > > > (and hopefully coherent) message lists so the visitor can read through > > them > > > and learn the story message by message. > > > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a > > name > > of HolySprite-Planning.pdf] > > > 3 wheel in A2 > > > > > > Sent from my iThingy > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/lmacy@mac.com > > > > > > -- > > > > Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. > > macy@upenn.edu > > Senior IT Program Director > > Neuropsychiatry Section > > Department of Psychiatry > > Perelman School of Medicine > > University of Pennsylvania > > 3400 Spruce St. - 10 Gates > > Philadelphia, PA 19104 > > > > "Life begins at the end of your comfort zone" > > Neale Donald Walsch > > ------------------------ > > > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/kevinv1275@gmail.com > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/bmwwxman@gmail.com > > > > -- > Cheers!! > Jim Johnson > Sprite-Midget Club USA > High Plains Youth Hockey > Dodge City Trail of Fame > Electronic Journal of Severe Storms Meteorology > Dodge City 300 > > "Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip." > > Winston Churchill > -- Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. macy@upenn.edu Senior IT Program Director Neuropsychiatry Section Department of Psychiatry University of Pennsylvania 3400 Spruce St. - 10 Gates Philadelphia, PA 19104 With out deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. Frank Zappa ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 12:04:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DE32584D53 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:04:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f170.google.com (mail-ie0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A20B258457C for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id x19so9190714ier.29 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:04:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=s08sytHB2o+NDVTmwFaNmRneQWO33PVfW+p3vRqGp38=; b=zlqmytSgepCTE0Il6i9ZBe2o7moEInmvfcU2QkoP8ENWrlLsIFYBJg3Lg2cafHpwfG rYNGBTb8e2r6K3NM7Cj5C5qVSXn32JWRfA5FzR0zuLJYb8LWuIoZ4U6viP7iwoSY8zAK 1PStAbCQgvcS1xVMq+9E/p5yQl58VX9iLdZKFNsreNawFSb1O2KayG2uJ56eIdbsu0ha C3G+hZDvKSWiWJRwx87mBzwr3YHUKMO6xjVJQF75hvvUQMHyPM04c7Ky2mPa8cJ5qciM l6zPh7GdBcLGXpyY+rHgeXU9h3DBGb6hu6e4E+qzl5+DsZNLNz9CZmLyIxC8fq07HxP+ ZdLw== g5mr10494841icj.18.1411581899172; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.87.231 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:04:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <54220420.2020402@bradakis.com> <17697.184.243.229.97.1411533578.squirrel@wm.wi.net> <54224CCB.3020500@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:04:59 -0500 From: "bmwwxman ." To: HealeyRick Cc: Spridget list Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Speaking of that, has anyone heard from Cap'n Bob out on Long Island? On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:58 AM, HealeyRick wrote: > Don't forget Biff! And "Montanna Bob". > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Mark J Bradakis > wrote: > > > dwoerpel@wi.net wrote: > > > >> Good start Mark! Another name for you: Paul Asggierson of > >> Aggierson Morris Service. > >> > >> Wow, a lot of memories are coming to > >> the fore. Thanks for doing this! > >> > > > > We'll see how it works out. At the very least I may need a waterproof > > cover for my keyboard. > > Oh wait, ignore that, I am a hard hearted bastard, nothing affects me! So > > there! > > > > mjb. > > ------------------------ > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/bmwwxman@gmail.com > -- Cheers!! Jim Johnson Sprite-Midget Club USA High Plains Youth Hockey Dodge City Trail of Fame Electronic Journal of Severe Storms Meteorology Dodge City 300 *"Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip."* *Winston Churchill* ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 12:04:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1EE2584D82 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:04:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B676258466C for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:02:39 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=ivy6hBgl0c2IKzqGyZ6ZxIOvbXL/zU1frRCkRw2rSYwFFiU5fP6vTkEc/ekdNAVf; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [128.95.226.158] (helo=RichbDell755) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1XWqwY-0002zN-Qm; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:05:34 -0400 From: "Richard Ball" To: "Larry Daniels" , "Mark J Bradakis" , "Spridget list" References: <54220420.2020402@bradakis.com> <510D3B9408B345F482EA96793DB3BFEF@HomePC> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:05:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net I was just talking about Paul as I was rebuilding one of my calipers. I was a little surprised that it fail since it was one that he had rebuilt for me when we got our Midget back on the road at our first NOSHIT. He drove up to my house in Everett from Portland (200 miles) to deliver them and join in on the work. That's customer service. Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA -----Original Message----- From: Larry Daniels Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:48 PM To: Mark J Bradakis ; Spridget list Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank Let's not forget Paul A. In many ways, he contributed as much to this community as Frank did. Just a little more low key. -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:37 PM To: Spridget list Subject: [Spridgets] Frank The recent discussion of Frank, Jack Drews birthday, etc. have finally motivated me to getting around to another project that has been on the back burner for quite some time. http://www.team.net/memory.html Content free at the moment, but with the assistance of folks here should be fleshed out soon. Send me what you would like to see. Thanks, mjb. ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/ladaniels@sbcglobal.net ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/rich_ball@mindspring.com ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 12:08:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF202584C95 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:08:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68932584578 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:08:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.169] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 18:11:49 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.238] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 18:11:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 18:11:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 65289 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2014 18:11:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411582309; bh=G7WIDxbfe2K/QrJi8B7eIe/enYONvcuQ+1E03KwmkS8=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SNpPsFZex7CjIxtGn5/FxMEcKFvSSKu+IhLHWO53+n2Jn3FgpXMSM8wvaZXUP7DCZYKb4dMQmGsYzV3JV+aTaparcFBzrLptZ15SdTI9nnoTl/W6Z2bqwq0MAxLaKJZpcLiMCqMZXnYjgp80s+GfiCzMoEq9HyvxKrvHyVNq3Cg= JIbxQnPFT.YG2_FdZ.WOQ8VV5y36lrdi8BgeZ1HzEX_oQhzrP8InxIxYbTCE 65kRisGeZWPyBLnzfAoxVLe7kUfuYaI3rBW_SYPJ1lRoFKJd5ikU2.DN1VLQ TdeuwXkg1XiKuoKwSwQDEtI42Q3X0Jy6av8Kf2gOQ94nKAORLohjscS6r1hn og9f1uadEfXYAn5VG4Eed7sxovNTT5aQ9Yp.go398hV2pRw.YQy25JJ7BFTS rb.BdgaPORBZj4hgy9cLP4AVBqJw5xjD3Gdnj7dhv_freT5VP9MIm5sNuOYh yjKW4CC4flMwFrUjatk86er2o2LVvoajdYNVrcx_Kq1_nAc5uQ6RfTtu1zfc KyGW8KaBMZovx4mZmUok9ByNGAhlDz7A_Ty2zjKOmPsQlBTQJa7qMl1bGar3 WfHVHlpV.GDGfgzE1WF9m9qxz.7XJhoYWXDk3o9pF9sK1yPvKnyQsnJCbusK A5xP4TinxlY1dBtl7x1m6JyPIRhh3ld0y_BNke60FbcvzoKn44BGLDXRxEUm G Received: from [50.250.42.38] by web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:11:49 PDT SSdsbCB0cnkgdG8ga2VlcCB0aGlzIHNob3J0LgoKSSBkb24ndCBrbm93IGFueXRoaW5nIGFib3V0IExvbmcgSXNsYW5kIGJ1dCBDYXAnbiBCb2Igd2FzIGZyb20gU3RhbWZvcmQsIENULgoKamF5CjE5NjMgUGluayBNayBJSSAtIEZvciBTYWxlCjE5NjEgSW5ub2NlbnRpIDk1MCBTcGlkZXIgLSBGb3IgU2FsZQoKCj5fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwo.IEZyb206IGJtd3d4bWFuIC4gPGJtd3d4bWFuQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4KPlRvOiBIZWFsZXlSaWNrIDxoZWFsZXlyaWtAZ21haWwuY29tPiABMAEBAQE- References: <54220420.2020402@bradakis.com> <17697.184.243.229.97.1411533578.squirrel@wm.wi.net> <54224CCB.3020500@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:11:49 -0700 From: Jay To: "bmwwxman ." , HealeyRick Cc: Spridget list Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net I'll try to keep this short. I don't know anything about Long Island but Cap'n Bob was from Stamford, CT. jay 1963 Pink Mk II - For Sale 1961 Innocenti 950 Spider - For Sale >________________________________ > From: bmwwxman . >To: HealeyRick >Cc: Spridget list >Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:04 PM >Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank > > >Speaking of that, has anyone heard from Cap'n Bob out on Long Island? ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 12:28:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C662584708 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:28:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from r3.netinteraction.com (r3.netinteraction.com [174.143.143.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A02258457B for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:28:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com (mx2.netinteraction.com [174.143.201.144]) by r3.netinteraction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03881CB65; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:31:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTP id 66375F4445D; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LkjPioas8Hp5; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com (75-128-248-219.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com [75.128.248.219]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTPA id 44CECF44424; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:31:11 -0500 To: Jay From: Peter Caldwell > References: <54220420.2020402@bradakis.com> <17697.184.243.229.97.1411533578.squirrel@wm.wi.net> <54224CCB.3020500@bradakis.com> <1411582309.59148.YahooMailNeo@web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Cc: Spridget list Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net T M I At 01:11 PM 9/24/2014, Jay wrote: >I'll try to keep this short. > >I don't know anything about Long Island but Cap'n Bob was from Stamford, CT. > >jay >1963 Pink Mk II - For Sale >1961 Innocenti 950 Spider - For Sale ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 14:47:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E002584F43 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:47:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f45.google.com (mail-qg0-f45.google.com [209.85.192.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3990625808D7 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:45:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id q108so6638035qgd.4 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:48:42 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+mg+ApZWYwNbpvY4wAuOs94xCRbJ5qD/0Z3SBwYDhm8=; b=xVDsIfUn91qpEHE6OfwCFrak4AG8oGMwQu17xlRUY8f/oPChwDlnPdqFWtySOGbzDO 1JoZ/Gk7asa7RbaE7WEwf4nCXP+T37PR+ezAp3pqlBrLkwTyGtZgjm/3rQoZCnfgH3/P 1McV2/3jEuFPH/out7K/Ex0dBlY8OZWs7xo3xJGM66Bdt6J2GCkZAwlpSHeyHFppkWQa U0hYyCIItWokl2zyXvK0SIMFeQjo6sMxLsVOPWImlKcX++jsGtq9ysy/JQpgLt/OzBzY 8O7/eQ8noyseSUNrTMQVvNeIctUw7BBNIdlZcy1M5ZJwViNM16Ot+OI7U2z4ZtPKqi63 NPtw== 11mr9874729qgx.59.1411591722255; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.109.131 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:48:42 -0700 (PDT) References: <54220420.2020402@bradakis.com> <17697.184.243.229.97.1411533578.squirrel@wm.wi.net> <54224CCB.3020500@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:48:42 -0700 From: WFO Herb To: "bmwwxman ." Cc: Spridget list Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net I hear from Cap'n Bob daily. Herb On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:04 AM, bmwwxman . wrote: > Speaking of that, has anyone heard from Cap'n Bob out on Long Island? > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:58 AM, HealeyRick wrote: > > > Don't forget Biff! And "Montanna Bob". > > > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Mark J Bradakis > > wrote: > > > > > dwoerpel@wi.net wrote: > > > > > >> Good start Mark! Another name for you: Paul Asggierson of > > >> Aggierson Morris Service. > > >> > > >> Wow, a lot of memories are coming to > > >> the fore. Thanks for doing this! > > >> > > > > > > We'll see how it works out. At the very least I may need a waterproof > > > cover for my keyboard. > > > Oh wait, ignore that, I am a hard hearted bastard, nothing affects me! > So > > > there! > > > > > > mjb. > > > ------------------------ > > ------------------------ > > > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/bmwwxman@gmail.com > > > > > > -- > Cheers!! > Jim Johnson > Sprite-Midget Club USA > High Plains Youth Hockey > Dodge City Trail of Fame > Electronic Journal of Severe Storms Meteorology > Dodge City 300 > > *"Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they > look forward to the trip."* > > *Winston Churchill* > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/froggi60@gmail.com > -- The only people worth getting even with are those who have helped you. *- Anonymous* Here is an Important Message for anyone who receives this email: If you forward this correspondence, PLEASE DELETE THE FORWARDING HISTORY, which includes my email address! 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Thanks to improved forest management, we have more trees in America today than we had 100 years ago. ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 14:56:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E922584F37 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:56:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A1E258454B for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:56:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.175] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 20:59:28 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.249] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 20:59:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 20:59:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 99605 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2014 20:59:28 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411592368; bh=yQn20GE3G+x5TXvaTtr8xFhNht5ZB0zcuw7SAEd1jaI=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WzawR+pywZH50Ze5g3dhVMdSkp1VLLcGWs1At/dDZTY6cqIWswsdORpR6mwzVfaH++mAtnCFiUGNxO5TKnKPNAG+ok8ttn/zrMlziKv85M0+XKlVbqnFZBCVmMZgPfeeyob1A3a1QRLml+2aIz3GEMj+aKLJPp/t+7KTF0hpcbE= iyhoaPZ3hEFi5VQgQ8o33DCgoWFV.HkHMsl2JSnhcnHool86WnJLDYn1PShL uZHbCjAeLU3ov6qx8JzSPaTPPDDAd3Z6UoRpzRfWd4wvyOOMewB46IJZeuFT N0uFQSBX1inblF6jYRcYWWFEhf21rCEwKGfKpFaJi2iWDB4sSSE6OozQ5zJM QVr3968kQ27PZRsCYiq2PsHItz5foBekWz_kZ_tXVF58aym2SKhxNXaTwN5Z D1B1ko_SzmIhAH628GZXS2UMCJrFrqR45Etr1V1C8Irx90pUnRCzQV7DfFsL zXX1pluHExQ2maiufHqKUWn_hanDynIXvyRaDJl7lkVVS_FWfJUFKcJrGa5h OiT3H0CSSVmESjk.nBA2aIQ.o7g3BWASJ4726T58dHE2pGUNrdFacUFRlC7n qUTRTgXLeGoXTnTeOSh1HxNwPkWuaoOcZP3zk0x14gWgAO6CrBoJNRiG7EWV 9ap0LENYP6xFV6t5fRWGHcNMCMnlEK.k_Rm05qETN5EymLFNBiRw2.y5aSMA j3huKxQ-- Received: from [50.250.42.38] by web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:59:28 PDT WW91IGhhdmUgbXkgc3ltcGF0aHkuCgogCmpheQoKCj5fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwo.IEZyb206IFdGTyBIZXJiIDxmcm9nZ2k2MEBnbWFpbC5jb20.Cj5UbzogYm13d3htYW4gLiA8Ym13d3htYW5AZ21haWwuY29tPiAKPkNjOiBTcHJpZGdldCBsaXN0IDxzcHJpZGdldHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ.IAo.U2VudDogV2VkbmVzZGF5LCBTZXB0ZW1iZXIgMjQsIDIwMTQgNDo0OCBQTQo.U3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFtTcHJpZGdldHNdIEZyYW5rCj4gCj4KPkkgaGVhciBmcm9tIENhcCduIEIBMAEBAQE- References: <54220420.2020402@bradakis.com> <17697.184.243.229.97.1411533578.squirrel@wm.wi.net> <54224CCB.3020500@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:59:28 -0700 From: Jay To: WFO Herb , "bmwwxman ." Cc: Spridget list Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net You have my sympathy. jay >________________________________ > From: WFO Herb >To: bmwwxman . >Cc: Spridget list >Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:48 PM >Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank > > >I hear from Cap'n Bob daily. ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 15:02:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB792584F14 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 15:02:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.253]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371BD2580972 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 15:00:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.166] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 21:03:30 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.252] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 21:03:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 21:03:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 5374 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2014 21:03:30 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411592610; bh=VFFOURB6kzHEnDo+YHWoJ+2bE0R/zcSh+igK761IWcg=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TRN2Kh3Z2HcMlVdMzJiyej/ZePdI2YwgpOLwtEbxW5dF2b9KY6ByP67wilGHU4XxT6ytWY8UPCwAcE5y1j6f8C7dlCEVLsjVfDiiX591HmS+FWJzRNAiVihUI4gVB177X8lciK43jj6u00XAkWxoxWKpFX7SJ4aWCei0JzrajO8= zQ1d6lcesmLUBqljs0C_7CibmKqvb9I.a.uYMUnsqD5IIUdD1YWKX7XXXNbM JcdNEIHP2O.Ko5ytleKE999rKxd_zyZT.iAT6LThueFgohKsdgwtzAQJ2VNH IpGZ7DW_uaWUIbPwwFG3o6L4P6QEOOyd5dFo7ScTVKPBMVaUjvnT8ccFWvxj LaW5GuWzl6bovds18LyB6wD52f640tZLLFK9bt7JQ2kwraFGkX7DI1BjJaSt KD1XLMLzbttapRXv.8kVY196svyvufDBrYTlkCmP3ZAZZhcUDWoPNZFJuJS5 vNLC0DnmGLf7sGcZxAPnEnFg7b5NGW6LH5cH4tQn7OdNHL5yXoF1HNzcVx3N iKuDX2sLAxPB_4wBsjfntkIRFbD3HAbgqjD0VetfRv4D98vVvY3eCN7Sg.ln xJOwnW57eYwTCrZ1Syqmb3pKPeZi54szOCRR3z9HGOZwb8y2dXSd4MTIxpZ5 Tk0fYqi.SgihDmnHbg_vth9BBZeag2uIY6biSy9uIReST.laTM1.ZO0_BaGv d Received: from [50.250.42.38] by web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:03:30 PDT TW9yZSBpbXBvcnRhbnRseSwgd2hlcmUgZG8geW91IGZpbmQgdGhlIHRpbWUgdG8gcmVhZCBoaXMgZW1haWxzPwoKIApqYXkKCgo.X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KPgo.Cj4.X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KPgo.Cj4KPgo.PiBGcm9tOiBXRk8gSGVyYiA8ZnJvZ2dpNjBAZ21haWwuY29tPgo.PlRvOiBibXd3eG1hbiAuIDxibXd3eG1hbkBnbWFpbC5jb20.IAo.PkNjOiBTcHJpZGdldCBsaXN0IDxzcHJpZGdldHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ.IAo.PlNlbnQ6IFcBMAEBAQE- References: <54220420.2020402@bradakis.com> <17697.184.243.229.97.1411533578.squirrel@wm.wi.net> <54224CCB.3020500@bradakis.com> <1411592368.66138.YahooMailNeo@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:03:30 -0700 From: Jay To: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net More importantly, where do you find the time to read his emails? jay >________________________________ > > >>________________________________ > > > > >> From: WFO Herb >>To: bmwwxman . >>Cc: Spridget list >>Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:48 PM >>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank >> >> >>I hear from Cap'n Bob daily. >------------------------ ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 16:10:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCA1258458C for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 16:10:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail6c40.carrierzone.com (mail6c40.carrierzone.com [209.235.156.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4102580B24 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 16:09:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-174-49-34-41.hsd1.tn.comcast.net [174.49.34.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail6c40.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id s8OMCpAJ030596 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 22:12:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:12:13 -0500 From: Mark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.1 To: Spridgets References: <54220420.2020402@bradakis.com> <17697.184.243.229.97.1411533578.squirrel@wm.wi.net> <54224CCB.3020500@bradakis.com> reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone remember Ray Gibbons and Kermit? He was a great help to me when I became reacquainted with Spridgets, after 30 years without one, in the mid 90's. Mark Nashville ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 16:51:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D6D25845A9 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 16:51:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f42.google.com (mail-oi0-f42.google.com [209.85.218.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE1C25845A8 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 16:51:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi0-f42.google.com with SMTP id u20so7162158oif.1 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 15:54:41 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:references:from:content-type:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=28L5vpGSlL+pFCVzVPDLmXakGxTr6npii+aZDb6Fgx4=; b=fct6eUxUhwpZGpJnHi4xZ/38Qx3zadHm7HSI2ajASAVms/k/0eLd1lawU2f7ffz+qP SflyfCAno2SmclHkp6JsT4ZW9fGNDE4ENm6RMbqc3zZ/CmJSsuOtCdPAgWDtPXmjHeLX jpX3yWASH8g/zN+NguXdIwLQ/31PNShdiEJphpyHuxU9JhiwniLCb/65FP8jeR5DRPq4 B6Wv0rqQa37L2h20u61iJ51dWZ+LFDj89rLAKTQD5ezdmpgY2lBt1q6IYZWhxS5I5ycn h26jgADzPjGy4pjpSjZnBSR2MkHb4wQd/x72oGJ1LBEuYQhYP4I6eHAjGPtM2D5S9h+L EPSA== gv7mr9769751obc.14.1411599280931; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 15:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.245.243.34] (131.sub-174-241-33.myvzw.com. [174.241.33.131]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c3sm424253obf.14.2014.09.24.15.54.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Sep 2014 15:54:40 -0700 (PDT) References: <54220420.2020402@bradakis.com> <17697.184.243.229.97.1411533578.squirrel@wm.wi.net> <54224CCB.3020500@bradakis.com> <542341BD.9030603@nashvilletn.org> From: Charlie S Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:54:34 -0500 To: Spridgets net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net I remember Kermit. He too helped me in my early days. 15 yr lurker. Sometimes poster Charlie. OKC,Ok > On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:12 PM, Mark wrote: > > Does anyone remember Ray Gibbons and Kermit? He was a great help to me when I became reacquainted with Spridgets, after 30 years without one, in the mid 90's. > > Mark > Nashville > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/shelden3@pldi.net ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 18:29:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973C02584FFB for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:29:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6688F25845D4 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:29:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vCQm1o0010vyq2s51CY6XV; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 00:32:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.23] ([75.65.249.164]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vCY51o00M3ZZswj3RCY60U; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 00:32:06 +0000 From: Lester Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 19:32:06 -0500 To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com, Spridgets list References: <0A0F47F5-FFA3-47CC-8426-885338E944EC@comcast.net> <1410442549.94947.YahooMailNeo@web165001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1410451143.48003.YahooMailNeo@web120803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <963A2871-8F8F-42C1-800D-2CEED8FD321D@comcast.net> <1411599993.49973.YahooMailNeo@web120805.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> s=q20140121; t=1411605126; bh=GgUSb/WHATYDPkfdGQW64bVAPNn1QDf01JOt0ydRbNg=; h=Received:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:To: Message-Id; b=wqMEbkcnMDO8E6d8dBrves/+9RqmHLGr02F+ZqvdVyWVgHBPCH6xE/eQ4qYEOI6qn GsqUkpPVrLhpqEEzwfq2Rc/DqBAoiV5ZpNXZ2XfJk62v2+N+3Y1sH7b9EOIrgnTaEx Fe+hLnhS+EN+xD8yM2C75lNvVmzC/FGKhaFecbP/cuPoVNOS/g0cbh56ts/sC5FVmT n6ffAkZrX/IVN9ELOGZOnUHzqJVYirXgCOF11VHUf9hM0KXMp0aEAKaXA2yA33Qi++ ffPYZmZyU4R8zFhwmvn0Lz1pvweauzHZ1OwGeP3POBtSXks77tGrQShQGL0Gz1Al9K HCtp4DUjjj77A== Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Looking for 1275 dipstick.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Is it installed during engine rebuild or does it slide down into hole from outside? Thanks for all the suggestions guys! Lester On Sep 24, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Walt Swift wrote: > Ugh ... the plastic tube is required on the 1098, 1275 and 1500 engines - Moss part number 451-430. None on the 948. > > Walt > > From: "Ewing oldsaabguy@comcast.net [bugeye]" > To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:41 PM > Subject: Re: Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Looking for 1275 dipstick.. > > NO, it isn't tiring.. and let me add the results of the new-to-me 1275 dipstick. > > > Apparently there is supposed to be some plastic in the hole into the oil pan. mine doesn't have that.. If you do NOT have the plastic tube then the dipstick gets kicked up by the crankshaft.. and I mean up.. against the bonnet.. and makes a terrible racket. > > So I put the tape wrapped phillips screw back into the hole. > > Lester ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 18:36:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E56258500E for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:36:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f170.google.com (mail-qc0-f170.google.com [209.85.216.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8B02584FC4 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:36:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id c9so4356800qcz.15 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:39:14 -0700 (PDT) h=from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SIN3lSgOrYPFs031ortLZdiJkx/U8ABUfGM4a5Tuopo=; b=zTpRhkNz6yj7Pz27QxMLe5LpUHso4VA2gIxwURI/eHPNkw1cJLhg/aQnlYzYlJkUfE SPjiHaHscn7/Q78X5E6JUB4AM1tDI40CDF5He5Z8sYEzXb9VtO9POaaEJW8+VhLB8WyW G0aY7a5kfNfKf+vfh1w64Xv+xLDTzXNGChdKUu8MiQIKDR60n++0AF8Qe9n9AInt29VR qgLPY7+tLxxyoRDsTsq3QJh6plj/Vus4chGI3y0X6o8F1Ca44SCPEQW3wlGjMKAZ+4Gr DGL77ylbnWZUfJ7eVQJMwBZnYTnPREZxkCYnXIJbPmbU6jbRseIjpl7t7S5w+6vomjw6 /KRA== l23mr15415923qgl.72.1411605554661; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (24-107-161-159.dhcp.nwnn.ga.charter.com. [24.107.161.159]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d3sm781795qar.42.2014.09.24.17.39.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:39:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Spruck Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 20:39:18 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 To: Lester , bugeye@yahoogroups.com, Spridgets References: <0A0F47F5-FFA3-47CC-8426-885338E944EC@comcast.net> <1410442549.94947.YahooMailNeo@web165001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1410451143.48003.YahooMailNeo@web120803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <963A2871-8F8F-42C1-800D-2CEED8FD321D@comcast.net> <1411599993.49973.YahooMailNeo@web120805.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Looking for 1275 dipstick.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Lester: I have some extra dipsticks and plastic holder/spacer if you need either or both. Bob On 9/24/2014 8:32 PM, Lester wrote: Apparently there is supposed to be some plastic in the hole into the oil pan. mine doesn't have that.. If you do NOT have the plastic tube then the dipstick gets kicked up by the crankshaft.. and I mean up.. against the bonnet.. and makes a terrible racket. > So I put the tape wrapped phillips screw back into the hole. > > Lester > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 19:11:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349E2258507D for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 19:11:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF00258501F for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 19:11:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [23.241.247.112] ([23.241.247.112:38324] helo=[10.0.1.8]) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 68/4B-19482-F5C63245; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 01:14:08 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:14:06 -0700 From: Billy Zoom To: Mark , Spridgets Thread-Topic: [Spridgets] Frank Thread-Index: Ac/YXgBDPvPUoERREeSx/AARJMp6bA== Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net > Does anyone remember Ray Gibbons and Kermit? I was trying to remember his name today. Wasn't he the one who designed that plywood rollover thing for a Sprite body? ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 09:49:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA9C2585203 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:49:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FFA2580764 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:47:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-14v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.238]) by resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id vTq21o00258ss0Y01TqD97; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 15:50:13 +0000 Received: from [10.1.10.22] ([50.130.123.127]) by resomta-po-14v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id vTqB1o00K2l1rJA01TqCgs; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 15:50:12 +0000 From: Ewing Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:50:10 -0500 References: <0A0F47F5-FFA3-47CC-8426-885338E944EC@comcast.net> <1410442549.94947.YahooMailNeo@web165001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1410451143.48003.YahooMailNeo@web120803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <963A2871-8F8F-42C1-800D-2CEED8FD321D@comcast.net> <1411599993.49973.YahooMailNeo@web120805.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20140925153217.7DFA7A023@h-mailbag-msp-1.msp-coloc.binc.net> To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com, Spridgets list s=q20140121; t=1411660213; bh=QOT4lgjorHf8vR3bjQPQqxrp6XBCiERfuSrE1V0WvJ0=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=jHc35Ax7ZnkoWVDXAO3fiWk+VB5Ic1JPAnVIsbO5ow961WjSd/kUTsyS3Cu4LRwlD qbmFujIGkNVInEnG+6rm1NXy8TlRpSGqZNObdUdECIKddv0sv8eFl8cceAEl8rvgwe sw5bZxf/+9oQcimko2/QCC0axWS/vKdwvT1WiskO/ZIGJ4DYRe+IB9EWCacXXK5OwM zq3RtmlLzq7LnKurMAlfJoFqJPv6sZFOEKOQtoiG4bf+77kXDjShWwhJ7vmqafdZ0+ Mbt/73l1ybHsdd0qxTj9GOpizcbI0ba2n62if2Un1WqnXv9g3+bLABQAZG3vKWzgFR gW6CoE3CZmWxA== Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Looking for 1275 dipstick.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net GREAT! Just like the PO did with the valve train! ;-) Hi Peter. Lester On Sep 25, 2014, at 10:32 AM, "nosimport@mailbag.com [bugeye]" wrote: > Its the easiest part to install on the car. Do it blindfolded. > Peter > - > At 07:32 PM 9/24/2014, you wrote: > > > > > >Is it installed during engine rebuild or does it > >slide down into hole from outside? > > > >Thanks for all the suggestions guys! > > > >Lester > > > > > >On Sep 24, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Walt Swift wrote: > > > >>Ugh ... the plastic tube is required on the > >>1098, 1275 and 1500 engines - Moss part number 451-430. None on the 948. > >> > >>Walt > >> > >> > >>From: "Ewing > >>Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:41 PM > >>Subject: Re: Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Looking for 1275 dipstick.. > >> > >> > >>NO, it isn't tiring.. and let me add the > >>results of the new-to-me 1275 dipstick. > >> > >> > >>Apparently there is supposed to be some plastic > >>in the hole into the oil pan. mine doesn't > >>have that.. If you do NOT have the plastic tube > >>then the dipstick gets kicked up by the > >>crankshaft.. and I mean up.. against the bonnet.. and makes a terrible racket. > >> > >>So I put the tape wrapped phillips screw back into the hole. > >> > >>Lester > >> > >> > > > > > > __._,_.___ > Posted by: nosimport@mailbag.com > Reply via web post  Reply to sender  Reply to group  Start a New Topic  Messages in this topic (36) > Check out the automatic photo album with 1 photo(s) from this topic. > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Austin Healey Bugeye Frogeye Sprite Club, please send a blank email to: bugeye-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > If you no longer want to receive emails, but wish to remain a member of the group, you may go to the website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bugeye/ and change your subscription to "Web Only" and you will not receive any emails. > VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 2 >  Privacy  Unsubscribe  Terms of Use > . > > > __,_._,___ ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 26 11:39:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86FAC258459C for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:39:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E1025844D2 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:39:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.236]) by resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id vtiX1o00456HXL001tibfw; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 17:42:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.23] ([75.65.249.164]) by resomta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id vtiZ1o00L3ZZswj01tiali; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 17:42:34 +0000 From: Lester Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:42:32 -0500 To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com, Spridgets list References: <8D1A5544CD329EE-1530-9E7F@webmail-vm009.sysops.aol.com> <1411495324.45533.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1A009963-A7FD-4CA5-B0AE-88B957FED0B0@comcast.net> <8D1A5BEF3367E59-2928-CE79@webmail-m271.sysops.aol.com> s=q20140121; t=1411753355; bh=TzTEniHyuNpxoKIvynAtPoWK4Nrwz/iAZKUyq8iXHqU=; h=Received:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:To: Message-Id; b=RV5lyyjrZ3/r6nkVsZ2ERFwjTj0txpmuo5weC6DC/A49/SdWR3tsMpOkoTE4S8Vv5 IL4Tw5gndV8Zmxzt1JbWL3R2KIqrhW40bn10hRgA30pMGiKB+3GtyxzZ/1iNxxvIni cp8L/hBskggzpiUadOBrwV1WNcTwMojWd/gOsLCky6GVUdof9YwxJZAXC0xTD3vIf9 Ckw/iFpPmXUQiXwpQJuXmhMV9xvdLk+6VujPtUBnKGs5IsXmJUrDhS+STeGG/JPnAJ xomv1308fvdCVeeXg0QuWlcZkK7EPipxITBtxFFhB5SpBumbpUyIlYWQLUZLw8O5zE CMe064QMxQB2Q== Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Just to update everyone.. Pulled radiator and there seems to be ample flow judging by how quickly it emptied. Pulled water pump, impeller connected to shaft. Going to re-assemble and attach an electric pusher fan just to see if that helps. Going to retry the combustion test and pull out the pressure tester as well. Not going to drive it tho'... Lester On Sep 23, 2014, at 10:29 PM, wilkmanracing@aol.com wrote: > I assume the hoses are new, so we can eliminate a hose collapsed on the inside? And, I believe you said you've already checked the timing and air/fuel mixture. Plus, I seem to recall you've already checked to see that the thermostat is opening at the specified temperature? The only other thing of which I can think is the possibility that the rebuilder did not hot tank the head and block. Certainly a check of the radiator and water pump should be done first. I was just thinking, too, that the difference in temperature from the top of the radiator to the bottom might reflect a blockage that is not allowing the water in all or portions of the radiator to pass through. > > In any event, having had to chase down issues like the one you're facing, I can honestly say "I feel your pain". > > Bill Wilkman > Crazy Sprite > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lester oldsaabguy@comcast.net [bugeye] > To: bugeye ; Spridgets list > Sent: Tue, Sep 23, 2014 6:34 pm > Subject: Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Re: Water temp question.. > > Well the gases in the system test is negative.. which is good. Only leaves water pump and radiator by my reckoning.. > > Ughhgghhhh > > Lester > > __._,_.___ > Posted by: Lester > Reply via web post  Reply to sender  Reply to group  Start a New Topic  Messages in this topic (23) > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Austin Healey Bugeye Frogeye Sprite Club, please send a blank email to: bugeye-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > If you no longer want to receive emails, but wish to remain a member of the group, you may go to the website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bugeye/ and change your subscription to "Web Only" and you will not receive any emails. > VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 2 >  Privacy  Unsubscribe  Terms of Use > . > > > __,_._,___ ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 26 14:22:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB3225851EA for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 14:22:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEF925806FB for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 14:22:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.71]) by resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id vwQU1o0031YDfWL01wRj5h; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 20:25:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.9] ([75.65.249.164]) by omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vwQk1o00M3ZZswj3gwRj2v; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 20:25:43 +0000 From: Lester Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:25:43 -0500 To: Spridgets list References: <8D1A5544CD329EE-1530-9E7F@webmail-vm009.sysops.aol.com> <1411495324.45533.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1A009963-A7FD-4CA5-B0AE-88B957FED0B0@comcast.net> <8D1A5BEF3367E59-2928-CE79@webmail-m271.sysops.aol.com> <23EF230E-7FA0-4563-A456-EFB458C10E1C@comcast.net> s=q20140121; t=1411763144; bh=0jRcOhHbrl7aXGYmgBbslIIABbX9O16tOBvuiAivpHY=; h=Received:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:To: Message-Id; b=EvF+mmzCejMm0yRC+mJDPT4g34Nqs/gdMmFnb7AaKCFRRX0Qo4lWHsvJfXoNfkA0K knssx+839Z4goHTChAWfunvJ6YLSBv3Ah2k7krwEAUAX76y0B4q+/yKCqhcQBIfKe/ MVlU/3n94e1zE3vMFq7GYR6Wo5hGy4opmwWPmLUB+SrlMdJ3e8SUiyQQnHmjLQXoeM 7puyT3hwb0gBsrpzHZ4dO2jsUezL6IxJcIZKOCPqDjvIQjmUG1fUUlPXDqK/d2J4vE RnDW3NNaU7WE6s76V3qO13rjSj9Kgs+wSD5FQEBsiUl+KEFm1XNas8kBuS3jA7MtzE aTcTmKw8SSMZg== Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net My plan exactly.. Lester On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:53 PM, bmwwxman . wrote: > Lester, > > While you have the rad out take it to your local radiator shop and have them pressure test it. Might as well eliminate for once and for all the chance of a pin hole pressure leak. > > Cheers!! > Jim > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Lester wrote: > Just to update everyone.. > > Pulled radiator and there seems to be ample flow judging by how quickly it > emptied. > > Pulled water pump, impeller connected to shaft. > > Going to re-assemble and attach an electric pusher fan just to see if that > helps. > > Going to retry the combustion test and pull out the pressure tester as well. > > Not going to drive it tho'... > > Lester ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 26 15:06:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0942585214 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:06:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9EA25806FB for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.225]) by resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id vx5x1o0014s37d401x71t8; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 21:07:01 +0000 Received: from CaptRandyPC ([71.225.62.70]) by resomta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id vx6z1o00m1Ww8LP01x70an; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 21:07:00 +0000 From: "Randy Alkins" To: "Lester" , "Spridgets list" References: <8D1A5544CD329EE-1530-9E7F@webmail-vm009.sysops.aol.com> <1411495324.45533.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1A009963-A7FD-4CA5-B0AE-88B957FED0B0@comcast.net> <8D1A5BEF3367E59-2928-CE79@webmail-m271.sysops.aol.com> <23EF230E-7FA0-4563-A456-EFB458C10E1C@comcast.net> <8D4A7715-0DE4-49C6-895F-E21C788960F0@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 17:06:43 -0400 s=q20140121; t=1411765621; bh=XuQARsJE5Q8K1XwUDWLZKu7LJPpuBJ9Z7J2rMKrJfc4=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=QznB/XK7yCc2ligMh+FpB6QlQosxIFkUxMjnb/famaQfFxdK6WPWrpqCA18J9SfB7 aKS1rMcdTOd0v0M/+EdjFGH0+T+BBBs6vhSbATCPEBmJk8mPX3CzdSlsW4vMgdtK02 pjoma1eE9IujTMnX+lSW8ruitQykDhYiFYju1fKt0R8np0t8KfDgBuqgum50Ktgg0s KakczU0+O3NuV1oNF31/N8g86jdURKYDQ4YGLBEa1rZlo3WTkeY43x+mBskz3HTenm 8d/aLMCB4B7Cgh+tze9HIMk1nSv4ssnTEwQJcfFzywS8Q6W48RpKg8A36eMKGWbHLz t/BtR9D1/jPZA== Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Lester,still tending to the block having some old dirt of material in it. Take bottom hose and use your house water hose to force water through the system with the thermostat out. Keep the water hose ticht with rags to force the water through. See how much gunk comes out. Will give you an idea of what you are dealing with in the block. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lester" To: "Spridgets list" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. > My plan exactly.. > > Lester > > > On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:53 PM, bmwwxman . wrote: > >> Lester, >> >> While you have the rad out take it to your local radiator shop and have >> them > pressure test it. Might as well eliminate for once and for all the chance > of > a pin hole pressure leak. >> >> Cheers!! >> Jim >> >> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Lester wrote: >> Just to update everyone.. >> >> Pulled radiator and there seems to be ample flow judging by how quickly >> it >> emptied. >> >> Pulled water pump, impeller connected to shaft. >> >> Going to re-assemble and attach an electric pusher fan just to see if >> that >> helps. >> >> Going to retry the combustion test and pull out the pressure tester as > well. >> >> Not going to drive it tho'... >> >> Lester > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/r.alkins001@comcast.net ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 26 15:43:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15DF2584CDC for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:43:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A416E25806FB for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:43:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.225]) by resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id vxm41o0064s37d401xmdiQ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 21:46:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.9] ([75.65.249.164]) by resomta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id vxmc1o0093ZZswj01xmcx7; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 21:46:37 +0000 From: Lester Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 16:46:36 -0500 References: <8D1A5544CD329EE-1530-9E7F@webmail-vm009.sysops.aol.com> <1411495324.45533.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1A009963-A7FD-4CA5-B0AE-88B957FED0B0@comcast.net> <8D1A5BEF3367E59-2928-CE79@webmail-m271.sysops.aol.com> <23EF230E-7FA0-4563-A456-EFB458C10E1C@comcast.net> <8D4A7715-0DE4-49C6-895F-E21C788960F0@comcast.net> To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com, Spridgets list s=q20140121; t=1411767997; bh=7T0B91X9+F292dUIT3SlZJ+9N1CcEmDH9//03tFIP+g=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=oMRgD3ckKihsYaXfDQ92IGN5m/+9ne5wA6aA2zMFGKYsw8uKXQlbHoCp+3dfBEjZK pOu1IGzWYhmgyrjzwqiilaDdkRd+hruUz7EP6NmUDR9KtX+ENwveMH089be7K53Fn5 MacEmCsAlZnr4sIYxs59B1U35CRX/88EN9mdWtyeOdqsZO3ATWYCBJqjTkee9bvBvO p8IRwU0jFe6nGnPC3YZR5J4FKIDSQwAHXPuPfk+pqg1roFRm/Sj2L+7j21mWs0hK/j PLcAwBUxajqkAmFtQ866uCvM8YlPjXEfXmUUvyAmAWGtygf9GWaa8dbVVdIHJiDn7K AaxgFdCdobGPw== Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Water temp question.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net HAZAH!! Faithful readers may recall somewhere along my tortuous travail that I, over a decade ago, was unable to have the radiator recored as the shop was unable to find something that would work with the Bugeye radiator. Today I took the radiator over and asked him to check for leaks and flow. In less than a few seconds he said.. "Whoa, this is really clogged up, there shouldn't be any back pressure." When I reminded him about the core he responded with, "..new folks run the company, not going to be a gig deal to replace it, with at least a 3 row modern core." WHEEE!!!! Unless he just need to make a boat payment.. but he doesn't strike me as the sort... Results in a week or so. It ain't over yet but the fat lady is warming up in the wings! Thanks with all the suggestions so far guys! Lester On Sep 26, 2014, at 3:25 PM, Lester wrote: > My plan exactly.. > > Lester > > > On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:53 PM, bmwwxman . wrote: > >> Lester, >> >> While you have the rad out take it to your local radiator shop and have them > pressure test it. Might as well eliminate for once and for all the chance of > a pin hole pressure leak. >> >> Cheers!! >> Jim >> >> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Lester wrote: >> Just to update everyone.. >> >> Pulled radiator and there seems to be ample flow judging by how quickly it >> emptied. >> >> Pulled water pump, impeller connected to shaft. >> >> Going to re-assemble and attach an electric pusher fan just to see if that >> helps. >> >> Going to retry the combustion test and pull out the pressure tester as > well. >> >> Not going to drive it tho'... >> >> Lester > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/oldsaabguy@comcast.net ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 30 09:35:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB272584AF0 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 09:35:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f42.google.com (mail-wg0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2042584496 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 09:35:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id z12so4758049wgg.25 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:38:24 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fAC2tPoERrQEOJH9AtY+NtPWbsPKl4AlXISrCeJCvCI=; b=Vjsyz2JcETPpKRl7Pi9d+ryIJlpA+wZvX8QiVy9mVNyBsM61d52H1izc3ZkWYGF09s bacIV2WMJ1WgFKv+uLM5BrFkSl2QNQaSJCVVBiIB1IMgqucLmOB+lz+fTAYCtI8c8co/ M4aREkaIQii2tWQs4oE/8RqZpSfBACXc4NzrgrEKH/rwQCZat6KgzlPYmfKOzO2V4Ene J3yMtplJWQ+N+eh1SI6kRjxhkYQAKZ/FPk91Xeei3HoarKtfrB9O+wDE03ifRb8Edgcs DKYBGn9oXro6+1tgbAOoQ74aAlexoXyRXSUA15dt4adwL7bkgomkG4opofepcVms2XDV ZxTg== xm3mr7022103wib.38.1412091406073; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.71.99 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 11:36:46 -0400 From: HealeyRick To: Spridgets Subject: [Spridgets] Dung Forged Electrics Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Been awhile since we've had a good Chinese made part rant. The low beams in the big Healey stopped working and I originally thought I might have knocked loose a connection to the dash mounted dip switch while I was removing, cleaning and regreasing the wiper cable boxes. Working under the dash isn't as easy as it used to be, but I found all the connections intact. After about an hour of probing the power lines with a test light, where do you think the fault was? No, not any of the 50 year old Lucas stuff. Turns out it was the Song Chuan relay that was in the heavy duty wiring harness from LMC Truck (aka Vicky Brit) that I installed for the halogen headlamps about a year ago. Turns out the relays aren't waterproof and rust internally. Going to give it another shot, with some dielectric grease on the connections and RTV around the housing. Sheesh. ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 30 13:04:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F6CF2584DB8 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: spridgets@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3203B258483B for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:03:46 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1412104007; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=nKfieNcCRkm/7hzaf5oxzqfP4IzVogsi0Ihxq7N6EC1K23kKvzLUoJzv9Sm1SZJ8Z oDwl8EgYI1Li7AoxanwYn3NzAYkEVGYmn3JTsZGO8HVIMLePtgY49jXJ7poqTtP9eh y9F5jh5fL8tUv0r9pe/AaailTDZqymYnr6sHG82Y= Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail01.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.141]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABLCX933AXK7W9A for (sender ); Tue, 30 Sep 2014 12:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.238.231.114] by webmail01.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:06:00 GMT From: "Mark Haynes" Full-Name: "Mark Haynes" Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:06:00 GMT To: spridgets@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Dung Forged Electrics Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net You might also consider putting the relays in such that the blades for the connectors are down, that way the water won't puddle around the edges and seep into the relays. Mark Haynes It only goes one way-Pay it Forward Been awhile since we've had a good Chinese made part rant. The low beamsin the big Healey stopped working and I originally thought I might haveknocked loose a connection to the dash mounted dip switch while I wasremoving, cleaning and regreasing the wiper cable boxes. Working under thedash isn't as easy as it used to be, but I found all the connectionsintact. After about an hour of probing the power lines with a test light,where do you think the fault was? No, not any of the 50 year old Lucasstuff. Turns out it was the Song Chuan relay that was in the heavy dutywiring harness from LMC Truck (aka Vicky Brit) that I installed for thehalogen headlamps about a year ago. Turns out the relays aren't waterproofand rust internally. Going to give it another shot, with some dielectricgrease on the connections and RTV around the housing. Sheesh. ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? 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