From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 17 18:34:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A552D0830 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:34:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699962D070F for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:33:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homef2683adebd ([unknown] [71.101.54.107]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M2N00A16G8RZQI0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:34:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "Scattt" To: "Alexander Washick" , "Randy Zimmermann" References: <46829E4E7349477FAFD0A41193A05C35@ronpc1> <7C331C745F874943BC42EDFFF56C1237@DavePC> <1334690978.61188.YahooMailNeo@web65902.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:34:03 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas Pedal stop on eBay X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Al! Nice piece, I broke several throttle cables trying to put the pedal to the metal before I found I was missing the stop. That solved the problem and I haven't had to get home on a shoelace since(literally). Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Washick" To: "Randy Zimmermann" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas Pedal stop on eBay > Hi Randy Yes is mounted on top of the vinyl/carpet and I suspect that is > why so many are missing. You have to locate those 2 10/32 weld nuts > through > the carpet to it in the regular position. Dave Thank you for the > nice compliment. Al > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Randy Zimmermann > wrote: > >> I feel I'm falling victim to marketing principle #4 - create a market for >> something the consumer doesn't even know they need. >> >> >> Having restored a MkIa >> back in the mid-90's, I never knew such a thing existed. Frankly, I >> haven't >> had any pedal issues since it's been on the road, either. However, I >> don't >> doubt the devise is valuable and has utility. >> >> >> The picture on eBay shows it >> attached directly to the tunnel. With my repro-carpet kit, I have a >> section >> of vinyl on that area. Is this devise intended to be attached over the >> vinyl/carper area? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Randy in Duluth >> 67 Tiger MkIa >> ________________________________ >> From: Dave Munroe >> To: >> tigers@autox.team.net >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:16 PM >> Subject: Re: >> [Tigers] Gas Pedal stop on eBay >> >> Well if there's a market someone will fill >> it! During our conversation on the list about this essential but often >> lost >> part of the throttle system, I received an email from Al Washick who was >> in >> the process of reproducing these throttle stops, and he put one up on >> eBay >> today: >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sunbeam-Tiger-Accelerator-Pedal-Stop-Reproduction-/11 >> >> 0863344836?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item19cff864c4 >> They look better than the original, what with the powder coating and ss >> pan >> head screws to boot. Too bad that when mounted, you can hardly see the >> craftsmanship! >> >> If you need one, here's your chance! >> >> The usual disclaimer >> applies... >> >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: >> http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zimme008@yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/alw6464@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/scattt@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 17 21:27:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5B42D080E for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:27:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01CD2D06F8 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:24:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbeh20 with SMTP id eh20so5166661obb.14 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:24:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=GfoQZWlH9L4ZrMk0ZVq4q+42vbxOBryLMqxBB2XMl48=; b=jf51Xo/HwjHJ2AruOvAKTMkKwUPgKMp7QgnXeKft7+XeO7w86UqHyB97eukKUfKJzP p5y/ISoFbL1vqGUlGKrvu/16mUeu5wG0I+8uPISynuE36GlbOMeAmr42g4t4abAWuTIf aPXasP0VQtLHXZfPGw19+WsfmmhNvI7avdsqyB9UCxBJZrjcsDKCgPA9aSgwYpVLPR3K G9dhE0hb9boUw59OGbnImGQIlOx6tWeKr0pIynrz7sTFfKBTIpOluAhp5DbhvVsu5iIv FNweB6Biqcwg0xDZwF6ZPxbhQvZ9TkOCUP5PIEQRXjvZ6M6vySUbXXVGuO8pUwCadm1q gruw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.169.165 with SMTP id af5mr167696oec.72.1334719471979; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.170.67 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:24:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1916597076.1032954.1334695550862.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 23:24:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alexander Washick To: michael king X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas Pedal stop on eBay X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Micheal That is our goal. To produce parts that are needed that are exact reproductions at a fair price. My son-in-law Ryan who is a mechanical engineer (super smart guy who has worked on cars with his dad all his life.( Chevy's unfortunately!!)and I have been car guy for ever decided to make parts that I saw that people were paying way too much for rusty 50 year old parts on Ebay. We have a number of items we are working on now and I will advise the list as they come out. Thanks Al On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 7:02 PM, michael king wrote: > I managed to acquire an original a few years back.. never installed it > as i cant get enough leg room as it is... but still nice to have it.. > and had this been available then i would have bought it. Also i'd like > to compliment Alexander on the pricing.. i have paid huge prices for > repro parts that were NLA and felt that i was being put under the > thumb in a big way... i think the stop is well priced and think is a > great credit to alex for filling a need and helping us but not being > greedy... thanks alex... if only you were doing this a while back!.. > maybe we should get you t make the other NLA bits that are simple but > go for crazy $ on ebay! > > -- > Regards > > Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 08:34:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2078F2D0893 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:34:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD922D087D for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zSLx1i0060lTkoCACSURaC; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:28:25 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.118]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zSUR1i00T2YtL1G8QSUR2g; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:28:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:28:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Alexander Washick Message-ID: <1702200319.1063011.1334759299689.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [24.7.122.212] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (zclient/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas Pedal stop on eBay X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Even though I don't like or use this particular part, I think its great that Al has undertaken reproduction and supply for those that want it. It looks like a high quality part and just like original. Thanks Al and all Tiger suppliers!! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Alexander Washick To: michael king Cc: Gary Winblad , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 03:24:31 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas Pedal stop on eBay Thanks Micheal That is our goal. To produce parts that are needed that are exact reproductions at a fair price. My son-in-law Ryan who is a mechanical engineer (super smart guy who has worked on cars with his dad all his life.( Chevy's unfortunately!!)and I have been car guy for ever decided to make parts that I saw that people were paying way too much for rusty 50 year old parts on Ebay. We have a number of items we are working on now and I will advise the list as they come out. Thanks Al On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 7:02 PM, michael king wrote: I managed to acquire an original a few years back.. never installed it as i cant get enough leg room as it is... but still nice to have it.. and had this been available then i would have bought it. Also i'd like to compliment Alexander on the pricing.. i have paid huge prices for repro parts that were NLA and felt that i was being put under the thumb in a big way... i think the stop is well priced and think is a great credit to alex for filling a need and helping us but not being greedy... thanks alex... if only you were doing this a while back!.. maybe we should get you t make the other NLA bits that are simple but go for crazy $ on ebay! -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 08:34:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91AA2D0887 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:34:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778E32D0650 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:30:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BucksLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.233.173]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M2O00H16IYKX260@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:30:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <36436112BE724D83A86875ED68350313@BucksLaptop> From: "Buck Trippel" To: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:30:15 -0700 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120418-0, 04/18/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Herb Mosely X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yesterday we learned of the passing of Tiger owner Herb Mosely. Professionally, Herb was a technical writer who donated his skills to our marque as CAT's Tech Editor. Decades ago he gathered the most important of these "Tech Tips", bundling them into CAT's Shop Notes. In it Herb created a repository for storing the collective knowledge of Tiger owners. Herb revised Shop Notes many times over the years, the most recent about ten years ago. I still tell new owners they need to buy two books - the Shop Manual and Shop Notes. But even without these contributions Herb will still be missed. He was such a nice, generous and gentle person. Below is an excerpt from an email I received last night from Chuck Daly. He expresses my feelings better than I can. Buck Trippel Old Friends, It is with a very heavy heart that I inform you of Herb Mosley's passing this past April 4th. I received an email from his wife, Henrietta, informing me that Herb is gone. It was likely congestive heart failure as Herb had been heavily involved in various medical treatments recently. I don't have to tell any of you guys how impressively Herb handled and yes "conducted" CAT's shop notes for decades. Year in and year out, Herb likely did more for the CAT club then anyone else and he did it with style and grace. A cool dude with a real love of our Marque.... _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 09:54:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FC22D0892 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:54:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC0B2D0853 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:48:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo109.cox.net ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120418154857.FTMZ8874.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo109.cox.net>; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:48:57 -0400 Received: from eastrmwml113 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo109.cox.net with bizsmtp id zTox1i00K4h0NJL02ToxaF; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:48:57 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4F8EE269.00A5,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=oCnpYUhdmvqPuxLMq7fsn3FqY3je+Ql30gwju2dxGGE= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=UyHOC7Gu_PIA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:17 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=YX4sTTmACC-LuChtG-wA:9 a=zXe_qORksH70Rj00IZYA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 204.61.12.74 by webmail.east.cox.net; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:48:57 -0400 Message-ID: <20120418114857.1RRV5.480647.imail@eastrmwml113> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:48:57 -0400 From: To: Buck Trippel , tigers@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <36436112BE724D83A86875ED68350313@BucksLaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] Herb Mosely X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Buck: That is certainly sad news, both for Herb's family and friends and the Tiger community. His contributions to the preservation and enjoyment of our marque have been greatly appreciated over the years and he will indeed be sorely missed. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ---- Buck Trippel wrote: > Yesterday we learned of the passing of Tiger owner Herb Mosely. > > Professionally, Herb was a technical writer who donated his skills to our > marque as CAT's Tech Editor. > > Decades ago he gathered the most important of these "Tech Tips", bundling them > into CAT's Shop Notes. In it Herb created a repository for storing the > collective knowledge of Tiger owners. Herb revised Shop Notes many times over > the years, the most recent about ten years ago. I still tell new owners they > need to buy two books - the Shop Manual and Shop Notes. > > But even without these contributions Herb will still be missed. He was such a > nice, generous and gentle person. > > Below is an excerpt from an email I received last night from Chuck Daly. He > expresses my feelings better than I can. > > Buck Trippel > > > Old Friends, > > It is with a very heavy heart that I inform you of Herb Mosley's passing this > past April 4th. > > I received an email from his wife, Henrietta, informing me that Herb is gone. > > It was likely congestive heart failure as Herb had been heavily involved in > various medical treatments recently. > > I don't have to tell any of you guys how impressively Herb handled and yes > "conducted" CAT's shop notes for decades. > > Year in and year out, Herb likely did more for the CAT club then anyone else > and he did it with style and grace. > > A cool dude with a real love of our Marque.... > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 13:38:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8548F2D0892 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:38:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FDB2D01A7 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:34:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TerriPC ([unknown] [71.109.100.177]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M2O0060GX265BI1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:34:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:34:47 -0700 Message-id: <000c01cd1d9a$50f33e60$f2d9bb20$@net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-index: Ac0dh2PPJ8gz2NWRQkaNsKjgk3vQWgAEuPeg Content-language: en-us X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] FW: Re: Herb Mosely X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net From: Kirk Smith [mailto:twotigers@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:19 AM To: tigers-owner@autox.team.net (tigers-owner@autox.team.net) Subject: Re: Herb Mosely Sorry to hear about Herb. Condolences to his family. He will be missed. In addition to everything else that's been mentioned, Herb was good about 'cleaning up' the tech tips people would send in. I appreciated his editing skills- with a little bit of humor tossed in- to boot. One time I sent in a tech tip for a front chin spoiler. I left a couple of points on the ends of the spoiler and nicknamed the tech tip 'Saber-toothed Tiger'. When the tech tip appeared in Tiger Tales, Herb had added (paraphrased), "You can take some silver spray paint and make sharks teeth across the front". Huh? That wasn't anywhere in the tech tip I had sent him! I just chuckled when I read what he had added to the tech tip. Still makes me smile. RIP, Herb. Kirk _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 13:54:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A206F2D0886 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:54:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023462D07E5 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:50:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so5701369wgb.20 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:51:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hrKGppIBEQORyJ9cujoJhIUNrgVYytJng+xV9DzULGY=; b=IciQw5uYotMFdU9PnYVdsSfRg4YGJgxcbKf5Az57Favk7QBnL8MJoROCTKTbWAiN0y HHgZXOrCRGx6wa8MkBLq4GbWOJ4avkW415s3CovUFkII+KcF2EWNOsdCBaeH3A/86Mz+ 0xG4VBLGhVAaknvfzToFmFK9CUD7DFxo9SVEkPVo8ycQyUXdlbgSvhlaZs7UNwnGkGSw p1EIEGfJg9So9FW7P9M5yVxDKvDQeun6FjG1KcDmZXcAmk6Pp2Pk3wJrFrntlxeYMDZC oRrkzROYnX5CPMzwr3PdLr8yzTJMWey9v7TZEM1PoggxP5TinYQnU/tYwPnwNaN3muqc 5eew== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.92.130 with SMTP id cm2mr9196573wib.4.1334778682428; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.3.71 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:51:22 -0700 Message-ID: From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Every car guy should watch this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zw7d8B8ETw&feature=player_embedded Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 14:26:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44332D0838 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:26:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A72732D077B for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:22:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.194] by nm5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2012 20:22:41 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.225] by tm7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2012 20:22:41 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.124] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2012 20:22:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2012 20:22:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 60415.27945.bm@omp1029.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 53478 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2012 20:22:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pacbell.net; s=s1024; t=1334780560; bh=6spHu9+65ecuOhNiWXbg7xjrK4//KUSRGLQOWyd4WCU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6w33v8Lv9kAwDC+gepe8iEW5zgQpkt/YWIHPgxY8U3yeVf7b195PM7LxJ7buM6hJsXCmojNpbpdhN86U6ZEodrj1rliRGiBWTnk5zJlZU0wZBAEm6AP80zG7EbSjuiNLxaqqORI6I1p83jtm6WeEnfe5nUjHisUf1qoza1gDKhQ= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HWQbfDs0rzfKT03uL4FxNPE9luJpo8LsxgaKw0iw0WopwKBPH8+q0GfXvm/EXNBuZcvhcxPNLLT7+ge/rk9+2AK6555yMnL3SRc/Ksb9NB3Vp9JImNeFBFTecWiGc2JsHiKdcK8wQDkDqWYkFfJSz68IqDRFUMsaSG195hFkYRQ=; X-YMail-OSG: KVDGs7YVM1mhzv2DsYW9REjRdV8MkQlvEAPDuBYroCej1he VqRYPzT5P9qlBnqt0vicxgDUNqCGR9fkun4CI4Nx9vWwNVxGl92ofTpsjqeX gRsdBSPCKNbV5fDQVHaYSyA9JMJi7H8iCVNd_6igvL75Ex_lMuzm1txw0T5G D7dXWCZtpiZgBi9fNNwq0EHtvK2cuerBIZ4tLWpsqRFGgxLaUx.vzl8NtydZ WgmHIDgoC8DXD1I9vvWH9Iv1GwjpNvXWhxR5HHmedAa8UYxHnTMxBaosSWMd ZT04VBzdXwOyPgodmMDS3Saeuu042rYifi7SBGFGpsRY5e1v1RMqGvCYzhag yM.HeZePtQSzXOAzzRPzt3KxoENeHhKKfp0zaC4im.ehXFXXaHuvmhlC1M.n wpFoc0pnZQACrLoeOPg3IZdB6xhKGk.gp4RSK9JhhmfIXlfaEosMMo2pkuJl OoMjkapMAJg9kgY5hD.6fKTdu.HKzaZpUMLEZDp8ZhRZZzY95AzARU8NpMrq 4ysChsziQh2mxnaJikJloBIF_aZ.rMl.6r41H6jaiBEybjasCvgco3ZP_rrN 02S9ME9US Received: from [71.80.161.138] by web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:22:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: Message-ID: <1334780560.37492.YahooMailRC@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:22:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Sandy Ganz To: Jay Laifman , Tiger's Den In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The guy must have used a huge amount of Anti-sieze. Some of the technical information seemed off until the 'Engineer' got on the video. I love the example of the anti-sieze brush as that is what both of the jars of the stuff I have look like and it's gooey messy (and smelly) stuff. I'll also bet the guy cracked the plug when he put it in, but you never know. Bottomline is keep your plugs clean, inside and out as well as the boot. I am a huge believer in A-S on the threads of aluminum heads, and like the guy said a little goes a long long way. I often don't apply it to plugs if the threads seems to have a bit left in it from the last change to avoid the good. Biggest problem is making sure the goo doesnt get on your hands when you put in the plugs. I do love that the 'Steeler-ship' couldn't fix it :) Sandy ________________________________ From: Jay Laifman To: Tiger's Den Sent: Wed, April 18, 2012 12:54:59 PM Subject: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs Every car guy should watch this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zw7d8B8ETw&feature=player_embedded Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 14:43:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BA32D088E for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:43:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7E02D0755 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:43:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Larry-Paulicks-MacBook-Pro.local ([unknown] [173.69.145.57]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M2P0038Q09ACV80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:43:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4F8F278E.9010408@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:43:58 -0400 From: Larry Paulick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-version: 1.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, well done, but he should have emphasized that anti-seize is necessary on dissimilar metals, like an steel spark plug and an alum head, which is very common today. I would have liked him to show how to apply the right amount of anti-seize, because all of his very good explanations would lead some people to not apply that at all. Also the spark plug mnf not recommending anti-seize is beyond me. Who will pay for the seized plugs to be removed from alum heads, especially with plugs that have a very long life, ie 30K-60K miles. Over all very good but needed some additional explanation and demonstration of proper anti-seize application. Larry On 4/18/12 3:51 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > Every car guy should watch this! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zw7d8B8ETw&feature=player_embedded > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 15:15:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CBB2D08AD for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:15:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5095E2D02AC for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zZ4K1i0011zF43QACZAHE7; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:10:17 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.118]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zZAH1i00G2YtL1G8kZAH2h; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:10:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:10:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Larry Paulick Message-ID: <1065150750.1085220.1334783416500.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4F8F278E.9010408@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [24.7.122.212] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (zclient/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yup.. another "don't do this at home, better pay a professional" commercial. I have been using anti-seize on mine since my 1981 RX-7 required it... and have never had a problem, of course you have to realize that you don't use too much! Interestingly, my jar of anti-seize looks identical to his, including the destroyed brush end! Too much oozing down the threads? My guess is the ham-fisted owner got it on the insulator... the miss-fire fouled the plug. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Paulick To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:43:58 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs Jay, well done, but he should have emphasized that anti-seize is necessary on dissimilar metals, like an steel spark plug and an alum head, which is very common today. I would have liked him to show how to apply the right amount of anti-seize, because all of his very good explanations would lead some people to not apply that at all. Also the spark plug mnf not recommending anti-seize is beyond me. Who will pay for the seized plugs to be removed from alum heads, especially with plugs that have a very long life, ie 30K-60K miles. Over all very good but needed some additional explanation and demonstration of proper anti-seize application. Larry On 4/18/12 3:51 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > Every car guy should watch this! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zw7d8B8ETw&feature=player_embedded > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 16:19:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1502D08A2 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:19:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 76DAB2D07C5 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:17:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 14010 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2012 22:18:11 -0000 Received: from airnode431.air-internet.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (12.110.38.178) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2012 22:18:11 -0000 Message-ID: <4F8F3D92.4090102@mayfco.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:17:54 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jay Laifman References: In-Reply-To: X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: drmayf@mayfco.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Intersting...but, I am throwing the BS flag on this one. When the plug was fires, in this case, and the spark arcs under the boot to the metal case, it is done. The case with its tapered seat grounds the spark to the head and no further current flows. The engineer mentions that the spark runs down the case to the inside of the spark where the center electrode is housed in ceramic and sparks inside there. I don't think so. Again, in a normally firing plug, the current flows down the center of the plug, jumps the gap and grounds itself on the side of the plug case. That side is grounded both by the threads and the plug seat. As to the anti seize, yeah too much is a bad thing. But it must also be noted that the common variety anti sieze compounds use some sort of metallic powder in them. I have two different kinds, one with small copper microballs and one with a nickel alloy for higher heat applications. The metals in the anti seize are conductive in themselves so having them between the threads and head material is a non issue. getting the goo on the electrode is a problem though and you should avoid that. Also, getting it on the exterior plug ceramic is a no no as well. Why? well because it IS conductive stuff. so if you have a db on the ceramic the spark energy will take the easiest path to ground and that isn't through the center electrode. Anybody remember what the plug torque is for their spark plugs in their Tigers? I don't see it in the repair manual. I didn't get a torque spec with the aluminum heads for the race car either. Most say something like hand tight plus a bit extra with the wrench. As to putting the dielectric grease inside the boot. Oh yes! It makes those suckers really easy to get all the way on. And that makes good electrical contact with the center electrode. It doesn't seem to help me get the boot off though. Just use a dab of ante seize. like a bit on a q tip. Or use milk of magnesia, works just as well and is non conductive. happy sparking mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 4/18/2012 12:51 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > Every car guy should watch this! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zw7d8B8ETw&feature=player_embedded > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 17:39:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D7C2D07E0 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:39:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0A42D077B for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:30:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail126-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.232) by CH1EHSOBE013.bigfish.com (10.43.70.63) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:31:05 +0000 Received: from mail126-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail126-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BB0206D8; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:31:05 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: -1 X-BigFish: VPS-1(zz9371Ie2eM542M1432Nzz1202hzz8275ch8275bhc704dhz30ih2a8h668h839h944hd25h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:204.77.163.11; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail126-ch1: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail126-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail126-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1334791862729768_8920; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS012.bigfish.com (snatpool1.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.241]) by mail126-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F1F2C0339; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CH1EHSMHS012.bigfish.com (10.43.70.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:31:02 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:31:19 -0500 Received: from OL-EX2K7HT3.ad.garmin.com (10.2.1.218) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:31:00 -0500 Received: from OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com ([fe80:0000:0000:0000:18d3:70d4:70.53.29.188]) by OL-EX2K7HT3.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.1.218]) with mapi; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:31:00 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Sandy Ganz , Tiger's Den Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:30:59 -0500 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs Thread-Index: Ac0doZjd9bF5QwDIQGeDRWBno/z0BgAGQvuQ Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C7B7F07@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> References: <1334780560.37492.YahooMailRC@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1334780560.37492.YahooMailRC@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: dynastream.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Agreed on all counts... I used to use a bit of engine oil on the plug threads, but a dab of antiseize is, to me, that much more effective, especially when threading plugs into aluminum heads. I still make sure to hand thread the plugs until they seat on the taper or the washer; that ensures that I have clean enough threads and that something isn't crossthreaded or otherwise messed up before applying the final torque. The closeups they showed of that plug were not quite good enough to show the crack, but on one of them it appeared that the carbon track propagated along the crack? If that crack was put in by the owner then that would explain the misfires right off the bat. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz > Sent: April 18, 2012 2:23 PM > To: Jay Laifman; Tiger's Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs > > The guy must have used a huge amount of Anti-sieze. Some of the > technical > information seemed off until the 'Engineer' got on the video. I love > the > example > of the anti-sieze brush as that is what both of the jars of the stuff > I have > look like and it's gooey messy (and smelly) stuff. > > I'll also bet the > guy cracked the plug when he put it in, but you never know. > > Bottomline is > keep your plugs clean, inside and out as well as the boot. I am a > huge > believer in A-S on the threads of aluminum heads, and like the guy said > a > little goes a long long way. I often don't apply it to plugs if the > threads > seems to have a bit left in it from the last change to avoid the good. > Biggest > problem is making sure the goo doesnt get on your hands when you put in > the > plugs. > > I do love that the 'Steeler-ship' couldn't fix it :) > > Sandy > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jay Laifman > To: > Tiger's Den > Sent: Wed, April 18, 2012 12:54:59 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs > > Every car guy should watch this! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zw7d8B8ETw&feature=player_embedded > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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[75.32.205.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b6sm610103obe.12.2012.04.18.16.54.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:54:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe Brown" To: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:54:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0dvqABI4tpq9vASAGr8pRjKFfT0A== X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Happy Birthday X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hemmings' daily newsletter says that Sunbeam debuted the Tiger on this day in 1964. Happy Birthday! Now, does that mean they had a press announcement or revealed it a show or what? Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 17:56:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608192D078F for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:56:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2EF2D06FD for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:56:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zbLB1i0040EZKEL5BbwnKD; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:56:47 +0000 Received: from sz0158.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.226]) by omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zbwn1i00l4srf2c3Mbwnxc; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:56:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:56:47 +0000 (UTC) From: stubrennan@comcast.net To: Joe Brown Message-ID: <612874999.1224432.1334793407057.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [71.233.107.30] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - [unknown] (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Happy Birthday X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wasn't it at the NY Auto show?B It falls around now, even today... Stu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Brown" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:54:43 PM Subject: [Tigers] Happy Birthday Hemmings' daily newsletter says that Sunbeam debuted the Tiger on this day in 1964. B Happy Birthday! B Now, does that mean they had a press announcement or revealed it a show or what? B Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stubrennan@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 18:10:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78982D0711 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:10:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.248]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F02BA2D0777 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:03:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 00:03:31 -0000 Received: from [209.191.108.97] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 00:03:31 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.119] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 00:03:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 00:03:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 349881.1156.bm@omp1024.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 36785 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2012 00:03:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pacbell.net; s=s1024; t=1334793810; bh=/Gnjmosocw+74nb0c3SAw5m//niOWCia8o8Rdx0mQG8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iHOGv3jaU0O/V0IVSk6oDLzlGBXge7OAptU6AvsrguDZQYPJA/UDgP3n2WG3LHAEeLbyc+vdWaXsv/VWXWT+OjTPCNpgcu7xAducv6tSS60E2P9ubZWXfcul4w8FLIGC8R8InsL8nVGMFcb65M9cFsNTdX+PzxugBDhL+veyiH8= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=S0LiRYoyaUl+RRZGxzGYT9za3KCNDn+tz/oWPDIDONrDCzD3SDngZVUFbf2rjpWp9LiVSSV9j39KnjiVMOH5IVFwv875mijRAx62UuoiZwQQLcRVjojOvAnX+WTwBxwNpm/90CPJduPekbCrB93dhjNTRKc1GtPtjjVXw7TSOLM=; X-YMail-OSG: VAAn5asVM1me6rXve.QgQ0g0wlkJSqRkga5XUy4hoZjE4Ro vWEZnrBRU5.LGj57lS1nfwZzdE3Wehzamvb23yLLKtvNYMx_IUSqT4VNbWih g4kVLW.l2P5gGCvquveJBIQe8Mc02bmJQG5xbmvKIIbBJ1DHlErpqZuHFuH. aLLzhdQCFxy0Hzn55d60IkLoGzGNPLQ3nGHkl783awm51MDZnw9Zfw0S1xsJ 4jlj70FKSbhz1kofJkkpSUG9rFGttcoL52YCCby5rLBTobApbOMIvpe6kRmv _Fw2FKOFNcpCTAF4qOsofpT7EKCcthik7r990.zB3wGcaC9sXIlaRzfErQ0l 3v9L7J9l3bGbMeE.XWSv90ov166cDgv73I5bsOK9Z1VGJL7UWhAO0U9QPI0r _QTOFAr91PGyInuTehKrIjvvx4tltZBv2krl8UY7nN6OYz7OjAtZCZ9HZGii bPnNUfRl1mK50djWa9CWorgsKnpjnnjMQODYPih6iDYEiOhrbZFc0AQl6l2f LOYiHNgikftmjpOBurfgBtUL9h7arn4pqGdv9LWGix4KWUK6hBhnXfz7G0oQ fCiEG8Auoln.zJ4l8jj8EbHFVvKC6P1.0F.7zRK.OOqStw8Mpchyd5M5x Received: from [71.80.161.138] by web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:03:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <4F8F3D92.4090102@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <1334793810.36664.YahooMailRC@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:03:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Sandy Ganz To: drmayf@mayfco.com, Jay Laifman In-Reply-To: <4F8F3D92.4090102@mayfco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, same page you just said it better ;) And again, likely started with a cracked spark plug not antiseize... maybe he 'over torqued' the plug and stretched the threads... Ok, still useful to keep things clean if that's the message, it's what I'll take away, and I still enjoy seeing these type of videos, always learning what to/not to do from others costly mistakes is nice for a change. How's the Tiger project coming along? Sandy ;) ________________________________ From: Larry Mayfield To: Jay Laifman Cc: Tiger's Den Sent: Wed, April 18, 2012 3:19:55 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs Intersting...but, I am throwing the BS flag on this one. When the plug was fires, in this case, and the spark arcs under the boot to the metal case, it is done. The case with its tapered seat grounds the spark to the head and no further current flows. The engineer mentions that the spark runs down the case to the inside of the spark where the center electrode is housed in ceramic and sparks inside there. I don't think so. Again, in a normally firing plug, the current flows down the center of the plug, jumps the gap and grounds itself on the side of the plug case. That side is grounded both by the threads and the plug seat. As to the anti seize, yeah too much is a bad thing. But it must also be noted that the common variety anti sieze compounds use some sort of metallic powder in them. I have two different kinds, one with small copper microballs and one with a nickel alloy for higher heat applications. The metals in the anti seize are conductive in themselves so having them between the threads and head material is a non issue. getting the goo on the electrode is a problem though and you should avoid that. Also, getting it on the exterior plug ceramic is a no no as well. Why? well because it IS conductive stuff. so if you have a db on the ceramic the spark energy will take the easiest path to ground and that isn't through the center electrode. Anybody remember what the plug torque is for their spark plugs in their Tigers? I don't see it in the repair manual. I didn't get a torque spec with the aluminum heads for the race car either. Most say something like hand tight plus a bit extra with the wrench. As to putting the dielectric grease inside the boot. Oh yes! It makes those suckers really easy to get all the way on. And that makes good electrical contact with the center electrode. It doesn't seem to help me get the boot off though. Just use a dab of ante seize. like a bit on a q tip. Or use milk of magnesia, works just as well and is non conductive. happy sparking mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 4/18/2012 12:51 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > Every car guy should watch this! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zw7d8B8ETw&feature=player_embedded > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 18:41:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF6FF2D081D for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:41:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5DB2D07A5 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:32:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3J0UrpK005364; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:32:56 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0219 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b14b) id dm0219.4f599687.9568e8; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:32:44 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1Pj10sWNKW1QIAAAAD,dfc5893aa1b12f40145273b9893c1e21 X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.177.75 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , "'Jay Laifman'" Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:32:39 -0400 Message-ID: <4696A944B49D47CE99AD49D61688BBBE@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <4F8F3D92.4090102@mayfco.com> Thread-index: Ac0dsWCOFNaJCbr1SE+39TfIIWTKAQAEYfuw X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-18_09:2012-04-18,2012-04-18,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1204180318 Cc: 'Tiger's Den' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Spark plug torque Tapered plug - snug + 1/8 turn Washer style - snug + 1/4 turn This seems to be the norm for spark plugs. Tiger Shop Manual - Section B - Page 70 - torque = 15 - 20 ft lbs Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:18 PM To: Jay Laifman Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs Intersting...but, I am throwing the BS flag on this one. When the plug was fires, in this case, and the spark arcs under the boot to the metal case, it is done. The case with its tapered seat grounds the spark to the head and no further current flows. The engineer mentions that the spark runs down the case to the inside of the spark where the center electrode is housed in ceramic and sparks inside there. I don't think so. Again, in a normally firing plug, the current flows down the center of the plug, jumps the gap and grounds itself on the side of the plug case. That side is grounded both by the threads and the plug seat. As to the anti seize, yeah too much is a bad thing. But it must also be noted that the common variety anti sieze compounds use some sort of metallic powder in them. I have two different kinds, one with small copper microballs and one with a nickel alloy for higher heat applications. The metals in the anti seize are conductive in themselves so having them between the threads and head material is a non issue. getting the goo on the electrode is a problem though and you should avoid that. Also, getting it on the exterior plug ceramic is a no no as well. Why? well because it IS conductive stuff. so if you have a db on the ceramic the spark energy will take the easiest path to ground and that isn't through the center electrode. Anybody remember what the plug torque is for their spark plugs in their Tigers? I don't see it in the repair manual. I didn't get a torque spec with the aluminum heads for the race car either. Most say something like hand tight plus a bit extra with the wrench. As to putting the dielectric grease inside the boot. Oh yes! It makes those suckers really easy to get all the way on. And that makes good electrical contact with the center electrode. It doesn't seem to help me get the boot off though. Just use a dab of ante seize. like a bit on a q tip. Or use milk of magnesia, works just as well and is non conductive. happy sparking mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 4/18/2012 12:51 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > Every car guy should watch this! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zw7d8B8ETw&feature=player_embedded > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4942 - Release Date: 04/17/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 18:57:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEC62D07A5 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:57:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F782C04D6 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:54:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zcj31i00B0x6nqcA7cvGgg; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:55:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.91] ([67.164.102.155]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zcvE1i00a3MALtP8YcvFmU; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:55:15 +0000 Message-ID: <4F8F6276.80203@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:55:18 -0700 From: Tom Hall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tiger e-mail List Subject: [Tigers] FYI Transmission Availability X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net While ordering a new Ford Racing spec T5 transmission for my last Tiger 5 speed customer, I made some important discoveries you may want to know about. First, Tremec has raised their T5 prices considerably (about $350, effective early February) and they have let the supply chain go essentially dry. This means that very few are in stock at the normal distributors. Second, they are apparently moving their production operation from Mexico to India. I dont know if this is necessarily a good thing quality wise, and I suspect delays and back orders are going to be much more commonplace. I purchased and received six of the existing T5's from the Mexican production. So if youve been considering moving up to one of my T5 five speed Tiger transmission kits, now is the time to send me a deposit to claim one of these six. I dont know when I will be able to get any more of these transmissions and the quality will be an unknown. Yes I do have to charge more for these as I had to pay a premium to get these six. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net modtiger@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 19:14:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3922D07C5 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:14:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0BD2D078A for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:13:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zdDA1i0060x6nqcA3dDZTn; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:13:33 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.112]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zdDZ1i0082R7Hzg8YdDZEh; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:13:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:13:32 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Message-ID: <1385200755.1646995.1334798012780.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4696A944B49D47CE99AD49D61688BBBE@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [24.15.170.224] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just a caution to all about specific torque figures. The 15 - 20 ft- lb figure in the shop manual is probably a dry torque figure. Anti-sieze on the threads acts as a lubricant. It will result in a considerably tighter actual clamping force (and stress on the plug threads) at a 15-20 ft-lb torque reading than you would have at the same torque and no anti-sieze . Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: drmayf@mayfco.com, "Jay Laifman" Cc: "Tiger's Den" Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:32:39 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs Spark plug torque Tapered plug - snug + 1/8 turn Washer style - snug + 1/4 turn This seems to be the norm for spark plugs. Tiger Shop Manual - Section B - Page 70 - torque = 15 - 20 ft lbs Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:18 PM To: Jay Laifman Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs Intersting...but, I am throwing the BS flag on this one. When the plug was fires, in this case, and the spark arcs under the boot to the metal case, it is done. The case with its tapered seat grounds the spark to the head and no further current flows. The engineer mentions that the spark runs down the case to the inside of the spark where the center electrode is housed in ceramic and sparks inside there. I don't think so. Again, in a normally firing plug, the current flows down the center of the plug, jumps the gap and grounds itself on the side of the plug case. That side is grounded both by the threads and the plug seat. As to the anti seize, yeah too much is a bad thing. But it must also be noted that the common variety anti sieze compounds use some sort of metallic powder in them. I have two different kinds, one with small copper microballs and one with a nickel alloy for higher heat applications. The metals in the anti seize are conductive in themselves so having them between the threads and head material is a non issue. getting the goo on the electrode is a problem though and you should avoid that. Also, getting it on the exterior plug ceramic is a no no as well. Why? well because it IS conductive stuff. so if you have a db on the ceramic the spark energy will take the easiest path to ground and that isn't through the center electrode. Anybody remember what the plug torque is for their spark plugs in their Tigers? I don't see it in the repair manual. I didn't get a torque spec with the aluminum heads for the race car either. Most say something like hand tight plus a bit extra with the wrench. As to putting the dielectric grease inside the boot. Oh yes! It makes those suckers really easy to get all the way on. And that makes good electrical contact with the center electrode. It doesn't seem to help me get the boot off though. Just use a dab of ante seize. like a bit on a q tip. Or use milk of magnesia, works just as well and is non conductive. happy sparking mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 4/18/2012 12:51 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > Every car guy should watch this! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zw7d8B8ETw&feature=player_embedded > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4942 - Release Date: 04/17/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 19:29:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368B02D06E3 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:29:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 424CE2D04EF for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 16412 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 01:22:27 -0000 Received: from airnode431.air-internet.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (12.110.38.178) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2012 01:22:27 -0000 Message-ID: <4F8F68CF.4080809@mayfco.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:22:23 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rfraser@bluefrog.com References: <4696A944B49D47CE99AD49D61688BBBE@ronpc1> In-Reply-To: <4696A944B49D47CE99AD49D61688BBBE@ronpc1> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: 'Tiger's Den' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: drmayf@mayfco.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Interesting..torque specs weren't up front in the head specs... Thanks, I stand corrected. I will no go out and torque the plugs in the Tiger to 17.5 ft-lbs...is that with or without lube? mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 4/18/2012 5:32 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Spark plug torque > > Tapered plug - snug + 1/8 turn > Washer style - snug + 1/4 turn > > This seems to be the norm for spark plugs. > > Tiger Shop Manual - Section B - Page 70 - torque = 15 - 20 ft lbs > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:18 PM > To: Jay Laifman > Cc: Tiger's Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs > > > Intersting...but, I am throwing the BS flag on this one. When the plug > was fires, in this case, and the spark arcs under the boot to the metal > case, it is done. The case with its tapered seat grounds the spark to > the head and no further current flows. The engineer mentions that the > spark runs down the case to the inside of the spark where the center > electrode is housed in ceramic and sparks inside there. I don't think > so. Again, in a normally firing plug, the current flows down the center > of the plug, jumps the gap and grounds itself on the side of the plug > case. That side is grounded both by the threads and the plug seat. As > to the anti seize, yeah too much is a bad thing. But it must also be > noted that the common variety anti sieze compounds use some sort of > metallic powder in them. I have two different kinds, one with small > copper microballs and one with a nickel alloy for higher heat > applications. The metals in the anti seize are conductive in > themselves so having them between the threads and head material is a > non issue. getting the goo on the electrode is a problem though and you > should avoid that. Also, getting it on the exterior plug ceramic is a > no no as well. Why? well because it IS conductive stuff. so if you have > a db on the ceramic the spark energy will take the easiest path to > ground and that isn't through the center electrode. Anybody remember > what the plug torque is for their spark plugs in their Tigers? I don't > see it in the repair manual. I didn't get a torque spec with the > aluminum heads for the race car either. Most say something like hand > tight plus a bit extra with the wrench. As to putting the dielectric > grease inside the boot. Oh yes! It makes those suckers really easy to > get all the way on. And that makes good electrical contact with the > center electrode. It doesn't seem to help me get the boot off though. > > Just use a dab of ante seize. like a bit on a q tip. Or use milk of > magnesia, works just as well and is non conductive. > > happy sparking > > mayf > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > > > On 4/18/2012 12:51 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: >> Every car guy should watch this! >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zw7d8B8ETw&feature=player_embedded >> >> Jay >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4942 - Release Date: 04/17/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 19:46:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5D52D08A9 for ; 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Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:35:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <4696A944B49D47CE99AD49D61688BBBE@ronpc1> <4F8F68CF.4080809@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <1334799344.15638.YahooMailRC@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:35:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Sandy Ganz To: drmayf@mayfco.com In-Reply-To: <4F8F68CF.4080809@mayfco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well given it was a 60's ford, the engineers would have definintly accounted oil leaking out of the valve covers so it may be with oil... Ok, I have had enough fun for one day :) Sandy ________________________________ From: Larry Mayfield To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: Tiger's Den Sent: Wed, April 18, 2012 6:29:46 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs Interesting..torque specs weren't up front in the head specs... Thanks, I stand corrected. I will no go out and torque the plugs in the Tiger to 17.5 ft-lbs...is that with or without lube? mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 4/18/2012 5:32 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Spark plug torque > > Tapered plug - snug + 1/8 turn > Washer style - snug + 1/4 turn > > This seems to be the norm for spark plugs. > > Tiger Shop Manual - Section B - Page 70 - torque = 15 - 20 ft lbs > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:18 PM > To: Jay Laifman > Cc: Tiger's Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs > > > Intersting...but, I am throwing the BS flag on this one. When the plug > was fires, in this case, and the spark arcs under the boot to the metal > case, it is done. The case with its tapered seat grounds the spark to > the head and no further current flows. The engineer mentions that the > spark runs down the case to the inside of the spark where the center > electrode is housed in ceramic and sparks inside there. I don't think > so. Again, in a normally firing plug, the current flows down the center > of the plug, jumps the gap and grounds itself on the side of the plug > case. That side is grounded both by the threads and the plug seat. As > to the anti seize, yeah too much is a bad thing. But it must also be > noted that the common variety anti sieze compounds use some sort of > metallic powder in them. I have two different kinds, one with small > copper microballs and one with a nickel alloy for higher heat > applications. The metals in the anti seize are conductive in > themselves so having them between the threads and head material is a > non issue. getting the goo on the electrode is a problem though and you > should avoid that. Also, getting it on the exterior plug ceramic is a > no no as well. Why? well because it IS conductive stuff. so if you have > a db on the ceramic the spark energy will take the easiest path to > ground and that isn't through the center electrode. Anybody remember > what the plug torque is for their spark plugs in their Tigers? I don't > see it in the repair manual. I didn't get a torque spec with the > aluminum heads for the race car either. Most say something like hand > tight plus a bit extra with the wrench. As to putting the dielectric > grease inside the boot. Oh yes! It makes those suckers really easy to > get all the way on. And that makes good electrical contact with the > center electrode. It doesn't seem to help me get the boot off though. > > Just use a dab of ante seize. like a bit on a q tip. Or use milk of > magnesia, works just as well and is non conductive. > > happy sparking > > mayf > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > > > On 4/18/2012 12:51 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: >> Every car guy should watch this! >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zw7d8B8ETw&feature=player_embedded >> >> Jay >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4942 - Release Date: 04/17/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 22:27:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023682D08B9 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:27:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A802D08AE for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:26:51 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=choffman9@cinci.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=IaEFqBWa c=1 sm=0 a=LBYtsMozPMRI3Ap64YI1GA==:17 a=d7VMg4wLD2UA:10 a=mMoE5ILr_N4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=UnzTgHv9AAAA:8 a=5OLfalwVnaAuiKaJlUsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=a0o1xVR2z_QA:10 a=LBYtsMozPMRI3Ap64YI1GA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 67.169.0.142 Received: from [67.169.0.142] ([67.169.0.142:57346] helo=OwnerHP) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 3D/64-19508-3249F8F4; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 04:27:16 +0000 From: "Curt Hoffman" To: References: <4696A944B49D47CE99AD49D61688BBBE@ronpc1> <1385200755.1646995.1334798012780.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1385200755.1646995.1334798012780.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:27:13 -0700 Message-ID: <067001cd1de4$b2653aa0$172fafe0$@cinci.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-index: AQM0w3JW+1CR+2j2jjF28K3q74aTwJPSQRlg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Very common automotive blog material as to whether torque is affected by anti-sieze. Shows up on every car list I am on. I have seen engineering papers written on it. I personally, also being an engineer, subscribe to the side that torque is a static measure while the lubricants tend to more affect friction in movement. There is very little movement at the end of the torqueing of a bolt and I find it hard to believe the antisieze would affect the value to any great degree. Since my Harley recommends antisieze on the plugs, and are very careful about torques for everything on the engine, I stick with the "no real affect on torque value" position. Curt -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:14 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs Just a caution to all about specific torque figures. The 15 - 20 ft- lb figure in the shop manual is probably a dry torque figure. Anti-sieze on the threads acts as a lubricant. It will result in a considerably tighter actual clamping force (and stress on the plug threads) at a 15-20 ft-lb torque reading than you would have at the same torque and no anti-sieze . Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 23:45:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47DE2D0830 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:45:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D48B2D08A5 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:38:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from student2 ([unknown] [98.119.35.221]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M2P00I7IP1976B2@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:39:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <763FEA27B85D48B79F4218EFF7EA5D9F@student2> From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <1385200755.1646995.1334798012780.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:39:18 -0700 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like there is a need to create a spark plug stretch gauge. :-) Tom > Just a caution to all about specific torque figures. The 15 - 20 ft- lb > figure in the shop manual is probably a dry torque figure. Anti-sieze on > the threads acts as a lubricant. It will result in a considerably tighter > actual clamping force (and stress on the plug threads) at a 15-20 ft-lb > torque reading than you would have at the same torque and no anti-sieze . > > Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 19 00:01:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503C32D08C9 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:01:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888EF2D04EF for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:49:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zhqC1i0070x6nqcAEhqC9M; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:50:12 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.112]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zhqC1i0062R7Hzg8YhqCX2; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:50:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:50:09 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Curt Hoffman Message-ID: <1778682829.1655748.1334814609319.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <067001cd1de4$b2653aa0$172fafe0$@cinci.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [24.15.170.224] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Curt, my gin and tonic is encouraging me to reply :>) I intended my post to focus on the real objective of determining "how tight" the plug should be. Torque is a proxy for that clamping force and for a given clamping force objective is a variable depending on the lubrication or not on the threads. As you seem to agree, lubricated threads, having lower friction between them, will turn further before stopping at a specific torque. However, the lubricated installation will have a greater tension in the plug body, being stretched more. Or so I submit. Perhaps you can rationalize your view with ARP specifying lower installation torque for their head bolts depending on whether the threads are lubricated or not and what is the lubricant.. As for Harley specifying anti-sieze, I submit that they, like ARP, have determined what is the desired clamping force (i.e., stress within the plug and sealing objective) given the effect of the specified lubricant and written their spec accordingly. Not unlike ARP and their head bolts. To the extent that anti-sieze is in any way a lubricant is a separate question, but I subjectively submit it has some lubricating properties above zero. Whether it is materially different than dry is a totally different question. Cheers (!) Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Hoffman" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:27:13 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs Very common automotive blog material as to whether torque is affected by anti-sieze. Shows up on every car list I am on. I have seen engineering papers written on it. I personally, also being an engineer, subscribe to the side that torque is a static measure while the lubricants tend to more affect friction in movement. There is very little movement at the end of the torqueing of a bolt and I find it hard to believe the antisieze would affect the value to any great degree. Since my Harley recommends antisieze on the plugs, and are very careful about torques for everything on the engine, I stick with the "no real affect on torque value" position. Curt -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:14 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs Just a caution to all about specific torque figures. The 15 - 20 ft- lb figure in the shop manual is probably a dry torque figure. Anti-sieze on the threads acts as a lubricant. It will result in a considerably tighter actual clamping force (and stress on the plug threads) at a 15-20 ft-lb torque reading than you would have at the same torque and no anti-sieze . Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 19 01:36:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1CA2D08C5 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:36:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 953632D08B0 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:36:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 07:36:30 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.212] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 07:36:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 07:36:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 862704.17762.bm@omp1021.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 915 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2012 07:36:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1334820990; bh=pKGP4S6fdt6a6um2Okhw1j/UM1KcDD8J03chf+WztvM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zbowmf0iXjYSitEXN1x7ZwBDhCF7yGh6SiDNH4sYpl0qHNk3wdSiNKjya+ASTgNT25RS6HOCfYZnM9jaqdFjW/thsD++RRYJ1YuZwUVCHPAunwn2iKJ9nG44cX0OtB78xNoIDQEEcKXpvWBze1eDmNOqQTDWZ3ZU45NeakJhSrU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=C/1wrrRaTQd82RczcckEt1HMdYOKA5QyLwoxAssptLewlu58MlixqmmcSov+8M8aIIAvBqtQvyvlm6HNmC5doISluNF8RanOk3Hzxh+K0rmxctnDHl9r2cXFfikhtRxs63WZwZ2fT/d3jv4AjwF5V+pADE1s5EfWdNh7w1P3ZqM=; X-YMail-OSG: SkzlqLsVM1nVWE2bY_yaa45.yzZ_yiyIijyB0KoloW_L2Gc _npeqzuRBCveaxvoErAvQotkG9WzWoay4ZUAbdvEoE.tGva3Ay1N.WThxoJH xRfeTEcHQGQsym.g6RPKek0L.4dry4lcofXW1z1gtnRcJOCbVF9LUUY7DZ6H h3fKUu3zy9hDWFdiu8oGD1sTcrUivCdpqXgBNAM5kCT_ISy8SFO7s7.uaOSw q2FL2jCnfkXMg65klQrLY4s1AS0LP4ZG6tBmsULPWnqn4M5g_TlmUutMpfvi GHywqvc8gZizb8sy0J_bxNtbZshWwN6A2jw.MYNGKMXJ20U_iKNiGEJSf84K KiYy_RysPM7uMOwmzGaMTOZ8SgS.k_qTVfkwmojGVWg.NTLAn9OFLN5z7gPc ci1YI_h0tPdmzWjhvAd2IQKLCKCJtEvNW.Z22pZSFCoFyYBZQ76jVf3Iwarj oN.1d5C7QPjk_kT0MS8KcFzTwUNfMYFSg2i78_uYs5n42O_aln3smKf133w6 NIa8lqeC5tAIvU3Lw2QD8XNUDg7WXuX2BXBwPpLFZn7ZGEQHN1nlh.lmAWHB V31m6X55IQtdMNtHejUPiBrgSrr2kJk4Svg25EVS4WN0kI.vHKqz7B_Rn9Ne bdT4k2CxF5LgmOXDfCgQr4A-- Received: from [63.142.116.66] by web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:36:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1334820990.614.YahooMailClassic@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:36:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs , Shelby Flig, Herb Mosley Award X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: acchd73@yahoo.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I appreciate ALL post about Beams on any subject BUT surely by now we as a group can tourque our plugs with or without aintiseize, oil or spit and they not back out or break when being removed. As dumb as I am I have never had a problem unless someone else installed the plugs and they over torqued them- just saying. But Thanks for all the post. I hope everyone that can will be at the Shelby meet at the Brown County State grounds nears Inndian Univerisity next month. We need a showing of Tigers amongest the Cobras and mostly Mustangs as memory serves. Also haveing just lost a most valuable member, has anyone besides me thought that perhaps that between the two major clubs that an award should be made/built to be given to the person who most gives of himself like Herb Mosley did. The HM Award. I feel those who have leadership within our clubs should consider the uptaking of this award. I think we all owe it to Herb as he dam sure gave back to us enough that we should remember him every year in some way- just my opinion- speak yours. Tony Lang TtT _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 19 09:07:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F45A2D0900 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:07:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 942762D0486 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:07:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 1291 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 15:07:30 -0000 Received: from airnode431.air-internet.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (12.110.38.178) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2012 15:07:30 -0000 Message-ID: <4F902A2F.8040009@mayfco.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:07:27 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: genepadgett@comcast.net References: <1778682829.1655748.1334814609319.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1778682829.1655748.1334814609319.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: drmayf@mayfco.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net H*ll yeah! Score 10 for a good answer! I want one of your gin and tonics, lol.... But Harleys use aluminum heads and in truth do need an anti seize because the instance of plug to head galling after prolonged use is higher with aluminum and steel plugs than the plain old cast iron heads and steel. mayf A Grey Goose kinda guy ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 4/18/2012 10:50 PM, genepadgett@comcast.net wrote: > Curt, my gin and tonic is encouraging me to reply :>) > > I intended my post to focus on the real objective of determining "how tight" the plug should be. Torque is a proxy for that clamping force and for a given clamping force objective is a variable depending on the lubrication or not on the threads. As you seem to agree, lubricated threads, having lower friction between them, will turn further before stopping at a specific torque. However, the lubricated installation will have a greater tension in the plug body, being stretched more. Or so I submit. > > Perhaps you can rationalize your view with ARP specifying lower installation torque for their head bolts depending on whether the threads are lubricated or not and what is the lubricant.. > > As for Harley specifying anti-sieze, I submit that they, like ARP, have determined what is the desired clamping force (i.e., stress within the plug and sealing objective) given the effect of the specified lubricant and written their spec accordingly. Not unlike ARP and their head bolts. > > To the extent that anti-sieze is in any way a lubricant is a separate question, but I subjectively submit it has some lubricating properties above zero. Whether it is materially different than dry is a totally different question. > > Cheers (!) > > Gene > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt Hoffman" > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:27:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs > > Very common automotive blog material as to whether torque is affected by > anti-sieze. Shows up on every car list I am on. I have seen engineering > papers written on it. I personally, also being an engineer, subscribe to the > side that torque is a static measure while the lubricants tend to more > affect friction in movement. There is very little movement at the end of the > torqueing of a bolt and I find it hard to believe the antisieze would affect > the value to any great degree. Since my Harley recommends antisieze on the > plugs, and are very careful about torques for everything on the engine, I > stick with the "no real affect on torque value" position. > > Curt > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:14 PM > To: rfraser@bluefrog.com > Cc: Tiger's Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anti-Seize on Spark Plugs > > Just a caution to all about specific torque figures. The 15 - 20 ft- lb > figure in the shop manual is probably a dry torque figure. Anti-sieze on the > threads acts as a lubricant. It will result in a considerably tighter actual > clamping force (and stress on the plug threads) at a 15-20 ft-lb torque > reading than you would have at the same torque and no anti-sieze . > > Gene > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 20 12:32:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DE12D0711 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:32:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3261F2D081C for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:22:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:23:18 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:23:18 -0400 X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.8a, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <4f91a996.6568.0@thecia.net> X-User-Info: 96.237.177.118 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [Tigers] off topic X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rande@thecia.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For my SoCal brothers and sisters, the Hemmings newsletter/blog announced this morning that the 1/8th mile strip at Irwindale will reopen, I think the date is April 26?, so it looks like the Larry Reed / Gordon Chittenden wannabe's may be back in biz in the Southland. Yahoo RB _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 25 17:05:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D74A2D0785 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:05:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03CD2D0733 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:05:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:05:33 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:05:33 -0400 X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.8a, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <4f98833d.5e72.0@thecia.net> X-User-Info: 96.237.177.118 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger II sold X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rande@thecia.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The Tiger II #373 on eBay (US) just sold for $30,120, eight bidders, 5655 views. Looked like it might have needed about $5K for interior and other minor stuff to make it a good driver. Item # 330719773559 RB _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 25 18:19:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125842D0793 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:19:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0196F2D0784 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:14:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so835955yhr.14 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:14:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index; bh=TtN7/ZlAeWUSiM63N5beal30vTNT3WyuzpNUOsqs0Pw=; b=bzomogQr4tvVDF+yMYzc5roGkxjG4J18oXf/lkY4u3RVgYC9Rr6y6V9ZOzDUiY8P8K 6ogPq/mTMQtvmdE7IqiAjyeEi/A2mTFNuiUXssdpjMO+PgHEhv7E4Pyy9FPOD/+cQpef EmuVgCBwtv4YV3r5KAchJLjnC/jI05bRUOjxeimXAlTBquihGi72k/92LRUd4NscjkQ2 QDWvQ6nbVQAuZvenwuRtsTYJT4MeItBFg+2Smz4o8d2fsmaomvHnQDEQ20WND8UIuw8H 2rtjDeckRtEqjKot+dsXNACuFOBNLljJ2/VlDis6wXoc1l9YchPwkKsdowIbblEW1g9y nWTQ== Received: by 10.236.144.134 with SMTP id n6mr4294572yhj.45.1335399275155; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DellD4700 (adsl-184-38-171-79.msy.bellsouth.net. [184.38.171.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k17sm988474ann.11.2012.04.25.17.14.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:14:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. C. Tynes" To: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:14:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1D68D810988B43679BAD3C2043E6FA84@DellD4700> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0jQZNj6rJX+CNhQPWbStUB6rO7CA== Subject: [Tigers] Tudor bottle X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net There is a 1951 Healey Abbott shown on Bring a Trailer today at http://www.barnfinds.com/first-of-a-few-1951-healey-abbott/?utm_source=feedblit z&utm_medium=FeedBlitzEmail&utm_content=766718&utm_campaign=0&utm_medium=rss&ut m_campaign=first-of-a-few-1951-healey-abbott. Included in the pictures is a shot of the engine compartment that shows a Tudor washer bottle. The car is for sale on E-Bay and there is a second shot of the bottle there. I didn't realize that the Tudor bottle was used so widely and early. If you need one, just go down to your local Pick-a-Part and find a 1951 Healy Abbott! Problem solved! By the way, the car is very interesting and is worth looking at, Tudor bottle or not. A. C. Tynes New Orleans _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 25 18:41:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D6A2D07A5 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:41:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa01-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B0BC2D077A for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 3947 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2012 00:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.37.86.225) by p3plsmtpa01-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.86) with ESMTP; 26 Apr 2012 00:41:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4F9899C8.5020201@cthompson.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:41:44 -0400 From: Chris Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "A. C. Tynes" References: <1D68D810988B43679BAD3C2043E6FA84@DellD4700> In-Reply-To: <1D68D810988B43679BAD3C2043E6FA84@DellD4700> Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tudor bottle X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: chris@cthompson.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I *thought* Holdens in England still sells them ..... Chris B382000331 On 4/25/2012 8:14 PM, A. C. Tynes wrote: > There is a 1951 Healey Abbott shown on Bring a Trailer today at > http://www.barnfinds.com/first-of-a-few-1951-healey-abbott/?utm_source=feedblit > z&utm_medium=FeedBlitzEmail&utm_content=766718&utm_campaign=0&utm_medium=rss&ut > m_campaign=first-of-a-few-1951-healey-abbott. > > Included in the pictures is a shot of the engine compartment that shows a Tudor > washer bottle. The car is for sale on E-Bay and there is a second shot of the > bottle there. > > I didn't realize that the Tudor bottle was used so widely and early. If you > need one, just go down to your local Pick-a-Part and find a 1951 Healy Abbott! > Problem solved! > > By the way, the car is very interesting and is worth looking at, Tudor bottle > or not. > > A. C. Tynes > New Orleans > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 25 19:08:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA852D0797 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:08:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4558B2D077C for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:05:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3Q15Eoc032241; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:06:06 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b292) id sj1-dm103.4f90dc95.1d0ee5; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:06:00 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PmJ94iAWW2AIAAAAD,6b6f0fe8d8624ca1c3bfc68fe11ea3ea X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.178.146 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , "'A. C. Tynes'" Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:05:55 -0400 Message-ID: <839807890E9D46E1AE8355FEC996B6D9@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Thread-Index: Ac0jRVuXh5YOQcdPTyqPEKsY9YJnrgAAwQvw In-Reply-To: <4F9899C8.5020201@cthompson.net> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-25_08:2012-04-25,2012-04-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1204250297 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tudor bottle X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I believe Sunbeam Specialties has the washer bottle new. Its bright white instead of the yellow aged look. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Thompson Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:42 PM To: A. C. Tynes Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tudor bottle I *thought* Holdens in England still sells them ..... Chris B382000331 On 4/25/2012 8:14 PM, A. C. Tynes wrote: > There is a 1951 Healey Abbott shown on Bring a Trailer today at > http://www.barnfinds.com/first-of-a-few-1951-healey-abbott/?utm_source > =feedblit > z&utm_medium=FeedBlitzEmail&utm_content=766718&utm_campaign=0&utm_medium=rss &ut > m_campaign=first-of-a-few-1951-healey-abbott. > > Included in the pictures is a shot of the engine compartment that > shows a Tudor washer bottle. The car is for sale on E-Bay and there is > a second shot of the bottle there. > > I didn't realize that the Tudor bottle was used so widely and early. > If you need one, just go down to your local Pick-a-Part and find a > 1951 Healy Abbott! Problem solved! > > By the way, the car is very interesting and is worth looking at, Tudor > bottle or not. > > A. C. Tynes > New Orleans > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4954 - Release Date: 04/23/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 25 19:23:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06DF2D0780 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:23:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6FA2D076C for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:16:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so508545wgb.20 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:16:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=9Shp4xj0poICwSVAPWSorD+TMp8lfCz4LExI1qqRQ/s=; b=uV942IlrXPcGrkkZ++d+lgE6zn6Ohh03pXQ6Osl0NjUzAycIxLTWmYs2gqypNsY6Im l1yhBugVtNBfwHatFmTqI4SMbb2orLfnHu499o01GlQUIWngktlo7bpy2xLQEb8Rni+N b4hTyjT4Mb3Z84/dHayblys3cyl1dw47SRQ8V33pn6EIUkhI9aCMDMoXBr8jlIP9Moqo e4nRiiHRBJTMsQVcrSPy+udj4yAAELx4Q2Ylhs1/zeqySWI1ubClLn1kaGJ0xBseIHTN jAxhalLZLT5kq6TRqbQAXUoYx9Cb4JO53M72sbUwbiHFZeLdMht7nIyFW7/KCj9JU/1q zetA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.137.163 with SMTP id y35mr2901056wei.33.1335403013389; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.25.84 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:16:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <839807890E9D46E1AE8355FEC996B6D9@ronpc1> References: <4F9899C8.5020201@cthompson.net> <839807890E9D46E1AE8355FEC996B6D9@ronpc1> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:16:53 +1000 Message-ID: From: michael king To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: "A. C. Tynes" , tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tudor bottle X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sunbeam Specialties has the rootes specific Tudor bottle. The MKI/IA Tigers used the tudor bottle with ROOTES embossed into it.. as per the current hillmans, singers, commers and Alpines. Also SIV used the rootes ones. The early SI/II alpines used the tudor bottle with a blue tudor label screen printed on it. Lots of british cars used the tudor bottles.. but be careful.. there were many different sizes... the MKII Tiger used a shorter wider Tudor bottle that is specific to it (at least in regards to sunbeams) Ricks rpero bottles are great.. but you need to use your metal nib and hose from your existing bottle. 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C. Tynes" , tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tudor bottle X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net RE MKII bottles, there were evidently two versions with the final cars using an even shorter, fatter, now impossible to find, version with plastic nipple. IF you can find one expect to pay (you ready for this) about $1000.00! I know because I bought one for my car. If your MKII has one, treat it gently. Jeez, AC Cobra parts aren't even this crazy. Thank you, Dave Gilmore Cell 913-488-1459 Home 913-381-1459 --- On Wed, 4/25/12, michael king wrote: From: michael king Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tudor bottle To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: "A. C. Tynes" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 8:16 PM Sunbeam Specialties has the rootes specific Tudor bottle. The MKI/IA Tigers used the tudor bottle with ROOTES embossed into it.. as per the current hillmans, singers, commers and Alpines. Also SIV used the rootes ones. The early SI/II alpines used the tudor bottle with a blue tudor label screen printed on it. Lots of british cars used the tudor bottles.. but be careful.. there were many different sizes... the MKII Tiger used a shorter wider Tudor bottle that is specific to it (at least in regards to sunbeams) Ricks rpero bottles are great.. but you need to use your metal nib and hose from your existing bottle. HTH -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave.gilmore@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 25 19:55:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0262D0797 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:55:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from st11p01mm-asmtpout003.mac.com (st11p01mm-asmtp003.mac.com [17.172.204.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6582E2D079E for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:55:32 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [10.27.121.74] (mobile-166-205-138-068.mycingular.net [166.205.138.68]) by st11p01mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M32009QPDD9YN50@st11p01mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 01:56:00 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-25_08:2012-04-25,2012-04-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1204250314 References: <1335404764.68108.YahooMailClassic@web181018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <1335404764.68108.YahooMailClassic@web181018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-id: <26B766B2-0711-4DDD-83DF-DD91625F180F@me.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) From: Carlo Bernardino Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:55:47 -0700 To: david gilmore Cc: "A. C. Tynes" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tudor bottle X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I think that is still cheaper than the BON! Carlo Rob Bernardino, MD FACS Oculoplastics and Aesthetic Surgery Vantage Eye Center Monterey, CA Sent from my eyePhone On Apr 25, 2012, at 6:46 PM, david gilmore wrote: > RE MKII bottles, there were evidently two versions with the final cars using > an even shorter, fatter, now impossible to find, version with plastic nipple. > IF you can find one expect to pay (you ready for this) about $1000.00! I know > because I bought one for my car. If your MKII has one, treat it gently. > Jeez, AC Cobra parts aren't even this crazy. > > Thank you, > Dave Gilmore > Cell 913-488-1459 > Home 913-381-1459 > > --- On Wed, 4/25/12, michael king wrote: > > > From: michael king > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tudor bottle > To: rfraser@bluefrog.com > Cc: "A. C. Tynes" , tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 8:16 PM > > > Sunbeam Specialties has the rootes specific Tudor bottle. The MKI/IA > Tigers used the tudor bottle with ROOTES embossed into it.. as per the > current hillmans, singers, commers and Alpines. Also SIV used the > rootes ones. > > The early SI/II alpines used the tudor bottle with a blue tudor label > screen printed on it. > > Lots of british cars used the tudor bottles.. but be careful.. there > were many different sizes... the MKII Tiger used a shorter wider Tudor > bottle that is specific to it (at least in regards to sunbeams) > > Ricks rpero bottles are great.. but you need to use your metal nib and > hose from your existing bottle. > > HTH > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave.gilmore@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/crbdino@me.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 26 13:21:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35072D0805 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:21:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4992D07DA for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:14:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3QJFMrA004519 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:15:22 -0400 Received: from core-dje003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dje003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.87.9]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5B9D5E000089 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:15:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: Phoenix 34950 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: From: =?utf-8?Q?Tom=20Pappenhagen=20?= To: tigers@autox.team.net X-Originating-IP: [69.242.116.74] Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:15:22 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335467722; bh=l+yXL8x6DySNTWkFm9ckrTs55r5dq0GcF+RqlbfKKf8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jqM2ZRlH5+ku5qxk8/AiYdPfbR2Y1LFHJeVAZeeNlBjOgxZczPjsh8QdEo14IRZh1 bt8Zm1xjZRx5vXeEtRMMnD/HMcHOJzA3ZJU3GSJXRKcjgcvzsXqvxM63EVMVNrYSrY J5ftHM0GFsfQjSUH8pTAqo7zTtkZ7RhzO2Hi3Ufc= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:291746656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a4f999eca323b X-AOL-IP: 172.29.87.9 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Tigers_Digest=2C_Vol_4=2C_Issue_139?= X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm starting my long, long awaited restoration of my MK1 Tiger. The car was dipped and stripped and now needs paint and reassembly. I'm looking for a site to host pictures and a commentary as I rebuild it. Any suggestions for a good site to capture this adventure on? TIA. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 26 13:22:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D280C2D091E for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:22:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E7B72D0820 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2012 19:22:29 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.248] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2012 19:22:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1040.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2012 19:22:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 739917.64824.bm@omp1040.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 73573 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2012 19:22:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335468149; bh=M0jk6bm7kzUcsUNbew2XPdtJEvknplU3Oy3zWgWA8tk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MzrmwULNsmG8IUYm76weiC1ADqd0kA2FlgzUrIYzq8+wdc6pv0xXHPNCSuCpvz7Moee4047xFHfHfvbFZFaJlen6B4NiXRV/JfSftPWEmpbzOMWVcsICOoHK/jnkN3QDd12LslI2psUHkRQLjRAYVTqar+r8NZW0ncLpw7jDDok= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0vox4BgJX74Twi4lNGQjFLkkYvciQwTB/oSi/ITsYKgDbO5b8NBKSYN6G72AUxL4EscxsXqVKvhWS/iS7msWrbCTPX7/TGHKVJ8E3RQLqmoISRH1sj6y9eSkF3uD9jxTYYSwCinazBTV6lAOS1C81Gj41RLCcoutga7uYj4Hd7k=; X-YMail-OSG: oG.D2eUVM1k0V7hH0U_IIt_ZKj6a1W.lGQ.SKotNFxu1M_g rvEv.7D.nGl35J7gCg6u0ElCZaiuSjZHuFbb1m3Zq4W7IuZQWdPTBsq6IZLi biq4_Iv5UOURnIYb0njwP6cwddAuDpjHx7fzsP3EA4KecREmaCbOwPFmSpIz 4QXRyGLWjdHPsvnox9kVeyxJvx1KLYxW0_2wxIWU1Wiq7tDN5FdloaYe_wA. jbrOK.vy8_RfsSqu0lrE8650sYuKYoQRaZzTQSGUoTol312Pt.GiwKEyEXSl FnM40vhKXFJ37_kuru63pUTDVit.FP0lpXeIgM3aWxU7nLkvVJjbGDSGUZlp EHatYkNPl5a.YbnWrCxVDnNGYbSbrqJWaC4zwIWf3Bl6_vEGUxWD6kaH0ICz d1xZMq.QVaOmEQIIytdnSdzYlVvvh5eJY9kpTHT38dSx8uUFDoG72BaOzSfc 0_k4algOh Received: from [207.238.142.30] by web121606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:22:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1335468149.66308.YahooMailNeo@web121606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:22:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Curry To: "tigers@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was multipart/alternative Subject: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXIV X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Terry Curry List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sunbeam Tiger Owners Association Presents: Tigers United XXXIV An international gathering of the finest Sunbeam Tigers on the West Coast June 21st b 24th 2012Tigers United XXIV will be held in beautiful Reno, Nevada. The Event hotel is the Sienna Spa Hotel Casino located on the Truckee River in downtown Reno. Reno has a chain of high-peaked mountains that literally surround the region in every direction. Theybve got high desert hills and low valleys covered with deciduous and evergreen trees. Reno has a river that casually flows through the heart of the city and nearby Virginia City gives a look into the areabs historic mining town past. In addition to our area's spectacular beauty, Reno offers an extraordinary mix of history and culture, world-class ski and golf resorts, 24-hour gaming and entertainment, a mild climate with four distinct seasons, and a healthy, diverse economy. There are also a myriad of outdoor activities such as river rafting, mountain biking, golf, and water skiing. Registered participants of Tigers United XXXIV will participate in the following scheduled events: a Rally, an Autocross (Located at the Airport where the Reno Air races are held), a Concourse, and an Awards Banquet. We will also have a private tour and welcome reception at the National Automobile Museum (Harrahbs Collection) Thursday evening For more information and updates to the schedule, email Patrick King at patrick@lgsrc.com. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of TU XXXIVSchedule.pdf] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of TUXXXIV Registration Form v2.pdf] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 26 13:36:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FC42D07D5 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:36:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7852D083D for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:27:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke53 with SMTP id e53so877953eek.14 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=+Cqv7sWbK6PFk6wpqbzghWmOWcFkWGoGxZy22r4R1gw=; b=a77T5EY686lfNBKI/f8n5xpwRDEb7yANdouMXKoQDiBihWstA/DMWjC90TMCM7/Pqw Gsmj8m+RS46PosdE5M2rAPRi47BvFeAIb9UI65w1nYDCWOkqKFXW2ackIAV7CacwTGm2 MKvU6y2BmLqRnFWEwboFDmhx9k3yj83s6DCMcVJ+iyLPGcEsG9benQCdnkuhYElTGHyc bFy9cXjJ3kgupaDpHLlm/8sETtrfJcbK4Q7hqbmWCdzXVSe6Df8lQkR7t1wlIVhwP6cx ERgfwEuux2qDyRibhgOki9aMV3GIetbO79q6ZvcrJfnHoyAc0sI5y3AfgB8hiD60/grH D4Mg== Received: by 10.14.22.67 with SMTP id s43mr2169504ees.110.1335468471274; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.2.83 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:27:31 -0400 Message-ID: To: Tom Pappenhagen X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 139 X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: michael@michaelshortt.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It isn't expensive to just have your own website and domain. Lots of easy websites builder programs for free are available. Michael On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Tom Pappenhagen wrote: > I'm starting my long, long awaited restoration of my MK1 Tiger. The car > was dipped and stripped and now needs paint and reassembly. I'm looking > for a site to host pictures and a commentary as I rebuild it. Any > suggestions for a good site to capture this adventure on? TIA. > > > > > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com > > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. 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Thank you _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 26 17:22:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1282D0810 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:22:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00442D07F3 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:18:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3QNHfQH004461 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:19:20 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0219 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b2b4) id dm0219.4f90dc63.207c0f for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:19:19 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1Pmdf3k+wygwIAAAAB,740d56023037b8fdd0a900203128af6a X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.178.180 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:19:12 -0400 Message-ID: <9ACC0970B4A34AF0964F53CFF2B75E43@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Thread-Index: Ac0kAv1zT1YXmU6oR0qGKvpMjpllEA== X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-26_08:2012-04-26,2012-04-26,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=2 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1204260308 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] MK II wiring help X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm working on a MK II. I noticed the brown wires for the ammeter come out the drivers side harness grommet and snake around the front top of the engine. This seems incorrect to me but I'm a novice when it come to Mk II details. MK II guidance needed. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 26 17:24:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1362D0893 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:24:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C83A2D085C for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:23:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbeh20 with SMTP id eh20so260334obb.14 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:24:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=+O74yC/CHl6+7flCTRFoTW8j4IEZ7WMSal0lAbtvz1g=; b=SELtV5W7203Gpe6QpnUpdsKTLoThMzMbTV8Vh2ze53i+PYvgFimkRAkEeSLe+uXb02 FiwPSUHUlfOV4CrzcPEJvGqIL0HF4e3xoPlAu9/z+bEaWVw5njkBcfxqLfjlixtUWGYi tzQGQB1wE/aDrfNezRHzUllLMPsl23+W3rQysrFaireTXoJ7W8aoaeJc92G/umbSEmOE IdGrXCT7xY1k+sKQVeJgQiK5tb8HTiogLLKGAtMuvBL0ikxbCRGOPr3sn8OVG+cox5ll Qj1ZEOSoCkQK5CiDHKuwkZqeNRWL+f8ICaczVGzoBzj634bwOfxwym2dfPRYpRuCWOQb Y4Bg== Received: by 10.182.5.169 with SMTP id t9mr11632870obt.57.1335482641116; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.66.200.151] (mobile-166-147-064-134.mycingular.net. [166.147.64.134]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d6sm4360578oeh.3.2012.04.26.16.23.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:24:00 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <36C0BBFB-85E6-4ECB-848E-0D55E09EF420@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Cullen1972 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:23:53 -0500 To: Tom Pappenhagen Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 139 X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tom, one of the guys in my Pantera group runs something similar at blogspot. I believe it's very user friendly. Here is his blog for the restore on his Pantera. http://pantera1998.blogspot.com/2011/11/pulling-engine-down.html Cullen Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 26, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Tom Pappenhagen wrote: > I'm starting my long, long awaited restoration of my MK1 Tiger. The car was dipped and stripped and now needs paint and reassembly. I'm looking for a site to host pictures and a commentary as I rebuild it. Any suggestions for a good site to capture this adventure on? TIA. > > > > > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 26 17:39:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AB92D0876 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:39:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 75F602D079E for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:36:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 2469 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2012 23:36:36 -0000 Received: from airnode431.air-internet.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (12.110.38.178) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2012 23:36:36 -0000 Message-ID: <4F99DBCB.5020304@mayfco.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:35:39 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cullen1972 , "tigers@autox.team.net" References: <36C0BBFB-85E6-4ECB-848E-0D55E09EF420@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <36C0BBFB-85E6-4ECB-848E-0D55E09EF420@gmail.com> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 139 X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: drmayf@mayfco.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Uhhh, doesn't team.net have a forum where you can post photos and comments? That way it would be all "in house" so to speak... Mark? comment? mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 4/26/2012 4:23 PM, Cullen1972 wrote: > Tom, one of the guys in my Pantera group runs something similar at blogspot. I > believe it's very user friendly. Here is his blog for the restore on his > Pantera. > > http://pantera1998.blogspot.com/2011/11/pulling-engine-down.html > > Cullen > > > Sent from my iPhone. > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Tom Pappenhagen wrote: > >> I'm starting my long, long awaited restoration of my MK1 Tiger. The car was > dipped and stripped and now needs paint and reassembly. I'm looking for a > site to host pictures and a commentary as I rebuild it. Any suggestions for a > good site to capture this adventure on? TIA. >> >> >> >> >> Tom >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 08:08:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1512E2D0675 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:08:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DC32C014D for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955C02E07E for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:08:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4F9AA85F.3090102@bradakis.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:08:31 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120312 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" References: <36C0BBFB-85E6-4ECB-848E-0D55E09EF420@gmail.com> <4F99DBCB.5020304@mayfco.com> In-Reply-To: <4F99DBCB.5020304@mayfco.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 139 X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Larry Mayfield wrote: > Uhhh, doesn't team.net have a forum where you can post photos and > comments? That way it would be all "in house" so to speak... > > Mark? comment? > Yes, but there is a problem with it at the moment. When one goes to login, it accepts your username and password, then kicks you right out. I'm working on it. If you go to the forum link below you can see some debugging messages and can read posts just fine. mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 08:56:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AB92D0797 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:56:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF3E2D062A for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3RErZET001712 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:54:43 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0213 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189630) id dm0213.4f90dc71.235c3a; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:54:41 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PmrMxz5ZyJgIAAAAC,20a4f2b6b7871d5e70bf803fddb2c2fa X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.150.48 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:54:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <9ACC0970B4A34AF0964F53CFF2B75E43@ronpc1> Thread-Index: Ac0kAv1zT1YXmU6oR0qGKvpMjpllEAAgLbsg X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-27_02:2012-04-27,2012-04-27,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1204270142 Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I want to clarify my request. I need to know how the Mk II amp gage wire harness is loomed through the car and how the amp gage harness is spliced into the Mk II wiring. I believe the wire harness I'm looking at is from Rootes, it seems correct but I need to inspect it further. I simply don't like the way it is loomed under the steering and over the front of the engine; too many moving parts. I think the harness should be loomed behind the dash to the right side then out to the alternator; if that is how the Mk II amp gage is suppose to be splice into the wiring. This would make a cleaner looking install and get the harness away from moving parts. I have not accurately measured the full length of this harness to see if it is long enough to move; it is somewhere over 60" long. Thanks Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:19 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] MK II wiring help I'm working on a MK II. I noticed the brown wires for the ammeter come out the drivers side harness grommet and snake around the front top of the engine. This seems incorrect to me but I'm a novice when it come to Mk II details. MK II guidance needed. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 09:01:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579CF2D06F6 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:01:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9002D067B for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:00:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbeh20 with SMTP id eh20so1521455obb.14 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:01:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=pHKjWqHy2v2G2BDh62q6tIF94Gq5I2utbXfeqK1fhRc=; b=UEUX8W2E35oZZW/UP3Lm7U5yEQd8NrG3n5uI3NyvSTD+/bJn7MFspxJtwJY6+w2ZyM 5eLL/1TtrXztB4oaGQTFCsDhnvQbMdPxUJDmFtOm23tThQ1ZVte6fCe8OQJK3oY4Evnm 9ASc48ksVDulC05LoO9QN57FnfLEt0eCf8AQG+HOjYGLroqaUDxrLKchgctzHYhLBfWB BZ19bnpbtzqv5Rt2FrfKlY35Cs3ecbm6k5einIy/D0uN8sLcwNSVT/6YJHq392MnNRdV QhCvni6Yxf2bNrMx53T993TzbvVgiFl5TOaYZGzf+6yfSaa2nyI03AxbN883JYn+pZVi ++yw== Received: by 10.182.154.5 with SMTP id vk5mr14679769obb.60.1335538885422; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.186 (bda-74-82-80-88.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id il8sm7361191obc.18.2012.04.27.08.01.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:01:24 -0700 (PDT) References: <9ACC0970B4A34AF0964F53CFF2B75E43@ronpc1> In-Reply-To: Sensitivity: Normal To: rfraser@bluefrog.com,tigers@autox.team.net From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:01:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jay.laifman@gmail.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120427150102.579CF2D06F6@autox.team.net> Perhaps the better question is how to wire the ammeter with a shunt. Many ammeters are wired with the full power going through the dash. I am working in Texas this week. So I don't have access to wiring details. But I know the wiring diagram is available at tigersunited.com. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: " Ron Fraser" Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:54:34 To: ; Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help I want to clarify my request. I need to know how the Mk II amp gage wire harness is loomed through the car and how the amp gage harness is spliced into the Mk II wiring. I believe the wire harness I'm looking at is from Rootes, it seems correct but I need to inspect it further. I simply don't like the way it is loomed under the steering and over the front of the engine; too many moving parts. I think the harness should be loomed behind the dash to the right side then out to the alternator; if that is how the Mk II amp gage is suppose to be splice into the wiring. This would make a cleaner looking install and get the harness away from moving parts. I have not accurately measured the full length of this harness to see if it is long enough to move; it is somewhere over 60" long. Thanks Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:19 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] MK II wiring help I'm working on a MK II. I noticed the brown wires for the ammeter come out the drivers side harness grommet and snake around the front top of the engine. This seems incorrect to me but I'm a novice when it come to Mk II details. MK II guidance needed. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 09:10:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BD72D0780 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:10:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from am1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (am1ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEEB02D0666 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:04:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail56-am1-R.bigfish.com (10.3.201.244) by AM1EHSOBE001.bigfish.com (10.3.204.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:05:07 +0000 Received: from mail56-am1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail56-am1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50D23406AB; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:05:06 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 2 X-BigFish: VPS2(zz9371Ie2eM542M1432N9a6kzz1202hzz8275ch8275bhz30ih2a8h668h839h944hd25h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:204.77.163.11; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail56-am1: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail56-am1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail56-am1 (MessageSwitch) id 1335539104731546_31151; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AM1EHSMHS002.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.201.254]) by mail56-am1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2274E0077; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by AM1EHSMHS002.bigfish.com (10.3.207.102) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:05:02 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.182) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:05:32 -0500 Received: from OL-EX2K7HT3.ad.garmin.com (10.2.1.218) by OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.182) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:05:01 -0500 Received: from OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com ([fe80:0000:0000:0000:18d3:70d4:70.53.29.188]) by OL-EX2K7HT3.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.1.218]) with mapi; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:05:01 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "jay.laifman@gmail.com" , "rfraser@bluefrog.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:05:00 -0500 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] MK II wiring help Thread-Index: Ac0khqRmOQRYI9w4SV2aEaRAqJpCiQAAAlXw Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C7B8B64@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> References: <9ACC0970B4A34AF0964F53CFF2B75E43@ronpc1> <20120427150101.345D32D078F@autox.team.net> In-Reply-To: <20120427150101.345D32D078F@autox.team.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: dynastream.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The shunt is located inside the ammeter itself. This is far from ideal, because any imperfection in the ammeter wiring, external or internal, causes a great deal of heat as a result of all the battery charging current being pumped through it. Side note: Because the MkII Tigers had an alternator, I thought the ammeter was no longer an official option? If that's true then whatever wiring you're seeing was added by the dealer or a PO. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jay.laifman@gmail.com > Sent: April 27, 2012 9:01 AM > To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help > > Perhaps the better question is how to wire the ammeter with a shunt. > Many ammeters are wired with the full power going through the dash. I > am working in Texas this week. So I don't have access to wiring > details. But I know the wiring diagram is available at > tigersunited.com. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: " Ron Fraser" > Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:54:34 > To: ; > Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help > > I want to clarify my request. > > I need to know how the Mk II amp gage wire harness is loomed > through > the car and how the amp gage harness is spliced into the Mk II wiring. > > I believe the wire harness I'm looking at is from Rootes, it > seems > correct but I need to inspect it further. I simply don't like the way > it > is loomed under the steering and over the front of the engine; too many > moving parts. > > I think the harness should be loomed behind the dash to the right > side then out to the alternator; if that is how the Mk II amp gage is > suppose to be splice into the wiring. This would make a cleaner > looking > install and get the harness away from moving parts. I have not > accurately > measured the full length of this harness to see if it is long enough to > move; it is somewhere over 60" long. > > Thanks > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:19 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] MK II wiring help > > > I'm working on a MK II. > > I noticed the brown wires for the ammeter come out the drivers side > harness > grommet and snake around the front top of the engine. This seems > incorrect > to me but I'm a novice when it come to Mk II details. MK II guidance > needed. > > Ron Fraser > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 09:44:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8E52D067B for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:44:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E812D0675 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:44:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3RFi8CY031434; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:44:42 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0225 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018967e) id dm0225.4f90dc52.233cc1; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:44:36 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1Pmr7kFYqYygIAAAAD,72e8c38a5c5963d78659b56597c961bd X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.150.126 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Smit, Theo'" , , Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:44:29 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C7B8B64@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Thread-Index: Ac0khqRmOQRYI9w4SV2aEaRAqJpCiQAAAlXwAAE6L4A= X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-27_02:2012-04-27,2012-04-27,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1204270160 Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Theo 1235776 - Ammeter - 1 - Mk II Parts List shows a Mk II ammeter in the Special Accessories section. I'm not concerned with who might have installed it; I'm concerned with how it is installed. I'm not the electrical guy so I can not off hand state if it is installed correctly. I'm hoping someone on the list with a Mk II with amp gage can shed some light on this harness. Thanks Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit@dynastream.com] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:05 AM To: jay.laifman@gmail.com; rfraser@bluefrog.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] MK II wiring help The shunt is located inside the ammeter itself. This is far from ideal, because any imperfection in the ammeter wiring, external or internal, causes a great deal of heat as a result of all the battery charging current being pumped through it. Side note: Because the MkII Tigers had an alternator, I thought the ammeter was no longer an official option? If that's true then whatever wiring you're seeing was added by the dealer or a PO. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jay.laifman@gmail.com > Sent: April 27, 2012 9:01 AM > To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help > > Perhaps the better question is how to wire the ammeter with a shunt. > Many ammeters are wired with the full power going through the dash. I > am working in Texas this week. So I don't have access to wiring > details. But I know the wiring diagram is available at > tigersunited.com. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 09:47:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8B82D069E for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:47:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5709C2D0501 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:47:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 31TQ1j0071wfjNsA13oFYV; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:48:15 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.112]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 33oF1j00H2R7Hzg8j3oFkW; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:48:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:48:13 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Message-ID: <1728407576.2034965.1335541693465.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [24.15.170.224] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ron, I know you are looking for direct information from a Mark II owner and I do not have a Mark II. But if worst to comes worst, I would say wire it the same as a Mark 1A. I cannot see how it makes a difference if the current is coming from an alternator or a generator once it is converted to direct current. The Mark IA wires the ammeter between the battery terminal on the regulator and the battery terminal on the starter solenoid. That effectively wires it directly between the controlled output of the regulator to the battery. It is directly in the path to the battery with full power flowing through it. I suspect the Lucas or Jaeger ammeter is made to function that way. I would bet that the 60 inch or so wire from the ammeter is about long enough to get from the ammeter to the starter solenoid. Is it connected to the ammeter? If it is meant to go to the starter solenoid, it would be connected to the output terminal of the ammeter. There would need to be a much shorter wire connecting the ammeter input terminal to the "A" terminal of the alternator "control box". I believe the factory original alternator "control box" is in the same general location as the generator regulator is mounted, is it not? How the wire gets back through the firewall from the meter to the starter solenoid I have no idea. When the dealer installed mine back in the '67 they just spliced it into the factory wire that went from the regulator to the starter solenoid on the engine bay side next to the regulator. I would expect that original factory wire on my Mark IA from the regulator directly to the solenoid is in some wire loom under the dash going to the passenger side of the car and then into the engine bay. I can have a look if you would like. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:54:34 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help I want to clarify my request. I need to know how the Mk II amp gage wire harness is loomed through the car and how the amp gage harness is spliced into the Mk II wiring. I believe the wire harness I'm looking at is from Rootes, it seems correct but I need to inspect it further. I simply don't like the way it is loomed under the steering and over the front of the engine; too many moving parts. I think the harness should be loomed behind the dash to the right side then out to the alternator; if that is how the Mk II amp gage is suppose to be splice into the wiring. This would make a cleaner looking install and get the harness away from moving parts. I have not accurately measured the full length of this harness to see if it is long enough to move; it is somewhere over 60" long. Thanks Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:19 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] MK II wiring help I'm working on a MK II. I noticed the brown wires for the ammeter come out the drivers side harness grommet and snake around the front top of the engine. This seems incorrect to me but I'm a novice when it come to Mk II details. MK II guidance needed. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 09:59:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CEC2D0687 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:59:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from am1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (am1ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8E92D0520 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:51:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail52-am1-R.bigfish.com (10.3.201.247) by AM1EHSOBE006.bigfish.com (10.3.204.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:51:38 +0000 Received: from mail52-am1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail52-am1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC143804C2; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:51:38 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: -1 X-BigFish: VPS-1(zz9371Ie2eM542M1432Nzz1202hzz8275ch8275bhz30ih2a8h668h839h944hd25h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:204.77.163.11; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail52-am1: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail52-am1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail52-am1 (MessageSwitch) id 1335541896233613_6046; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AM1EHSMHS008.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.201.238]) by mail52-am1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD424004A; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by AM1EHSMHS008.bigfish.com (10.3.207.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:51:34 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com (10.2.1.219) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:52:02 -0500 Received: from OL-EX2K7HT1.ad.garmin.com (10.2.1.216) by OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com (10.2.1.219) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:51:34 -0500 Received: from OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com ([fe80:0000:0000:0000:18d3:70d4:70.53.29.188]) by OL-EX2K7HT1.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.1.216]) with mapi; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:51:34 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" , "jay.laifman@gmail.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:51:33 -0500 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] MK II wiring help Thread-Index: Ac0khqRmOQRYI9w4SV2aEaRAqJpCiQAAAlXwAAE6L4AAAEqP8A== Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C7B8B8B@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C7B8B64@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: dynastream.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Ron, I understand... so the ammeter was either a factory option or a dealer installed part, but either way not all MkII's would have the required wiring. Just saw Gene's note come in... his observations make sense to me. Alternator or gen doesn't really make a lot of difference, because the ammeter is intended to measure the current flowing to and from the battery (aside from the starter current). If the existing ammeter wiring appears to intercept the alternator output, then that's incorrect. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] > Sent: April 27, 2012 9:44 AM > To: Smit, Theo; jay.laifman@gmail.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Tigers] MK II wiring help > > Theo > 1235776 - Ammeter - 1 - Mk II > Parts List shows a Mk II ammeter in the Special Accessories section. > > I'm not concerned with who might have installed it; I'm concerned with > how > it is installed. > I'm not the electrical guy so I can not off hand state if it is > installed > correctly. > > I'm hoping someone on the list with a Mk II with amp gage can shed some > light on this harness. > > Thanks > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit@dynastream.com] > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:05 AM > To: jay.laifman@gmail.com; rfraser@bluefrog.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Tigers] MK II wiring help > > > The shunt is located inside the ammeter itself. This is far from ideal, > because any imperfection in the ammeter wiring, external or internal, > causes > a great deal of heat as a result of all the battery charging current > being > pumped through it. > > Side note: Because the MkII Tigers had an alternator, I thought the > ammeter > was no longer an official option? If that's true then whatever wiring > you're > seeing was added by the dealer or a PO. > > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jay.laifman@gmail.com > > Sent: April 27, 2012 9:01 AM > > To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; tigers@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help > > > > Perhaps the better question is how to wire the ammeter with a shunt. > > Many ammeters are wired with the full power going through the dash. I > > am working in Texas this week. So I don't have access to wiring > > details. But I know the wiring diagram is available at > > tigersunited.com. > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 10:15:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AFD2D06CB for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:15:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4D12D0675 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:11:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004959 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3RGBU1N026057; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:12:03 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0213 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189434) id dm0213.4f90dc71.23981d; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:11:41 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PmsU9bUExXQIAAAAD,b20ef7b8e55d2c4243bb0ffc2dbd97d6 X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.148.52 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Smit, Theo'" , , Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:10:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C7B8B8B@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Thread-Index: Ac0khqRmOQRYI9w4SV2aEaRAqJpCiQAAAlXwAAE6L4AAAEqP8AAAaFZg X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-27_02:2012-04-27,2012-04-27,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1204270168 Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Theo This harness is spliced into the Big brown wire at the alternator. The ends at the amp gage look like Rootes style covered connections. I have not pulled any of the tape off at the alternator to check how it is splice at the alternator. This system seems to be working OK. I did check that there was over 13V at the battery; however I did notice that I thought the ignition light stayed on longer than usual. I have been working on other parts of this Tiger to bring it up to roadworthy and the amp gage harness was something I spotted just before I left for the day. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit@dynastream.com] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:52 AM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; jay.laifman@gmail.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] MK II wiring help Hi Ron, I understand... so the ammeter was either a factory option or a dealer installed part, but either way not all MkII's would have the required wiring. Just saw Gene's note come in... his observations make sense to me. Alternator or gen doesn't really make a lot of difference, because the ammeter is intended to measure the current flowing to and from the battery (aside from the starter current). If the existing ammeter wiring appears to intercept the alternator output, then that's incorrect. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] > Sent: April 27, 2012 9:44 AM > To: Smit, Theo; jay.laifman@gmail.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Tigers] MK II wiring help > > Theo > 1235776 - Ammeter - 1 - Mk II > Parts List shows a Mk II ammeter in the Special Accessories section. > > I'm not concerned with who might have installed it; I'm concerned with > how it is installed. > I'm not the electrical guy so I can not off hand state if it is > installed > correctly. > > I'm hoping someone on the list with a Mk II with amp gage can shed > some light on this harness. > > Thanks > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit@dynastream.com] > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:05 AM > To: jay.laifman@gmail.com; rfraser@bluefrog.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Tigers] MK II wiring help > > > The shunt is located inside the ammeter itself. This is far from > ideal, because any imperfection in the ammeter wiring, external or > internal, causes a great deal of heat as a result of all the battery > charging current being > pumped through it. > > Side note: Because the MkII Tigers had an alternator, I thought the > ammeter was no longer an official option? If that's true then whatever > wiring you're > seeing was added by the dealer or a PO. > > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jay.laifman@gmail.com > > Sent: April 27, 2012 9:01 AM > > To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; tigers@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help > > > > Perhaps the better question is how to wire the ammeter with a shunt. > > Many ammeters are wired with the full power going through the dash. > > I am working in Texas this week. So I don't have access to wiring > > details. But I know the wiring diagram is available at > > tigersunited.com. > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4962 - Release Date: 04/27/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 10:22:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED252D079A for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:22:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B64F2D03CA for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:22:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3RGKIHe024537; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:22:33 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0225 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189434) id dm0225.4f90dc52.2358b9; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:22:20 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1Pmse89uMrmgIAAAAC,25746102b13ea2072f8aaa8ca734899b X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.148.52 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:22:12 -0400 Message-ID: <284B196B37AC4C1E88648C6E86A05683@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <1728407576.2034965.1335541693465.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thread-Index: Ac0kjShgZjoZ2bsRR6OH88IFX9aSZwAA7FnQ X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-27_02:2012-04-27,2012-04-27,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1204270170 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Gene The first alarm went off when I noticed the wire harness at the front of the engine. 2nd alarm went off when I saw it was 2 big brown wires spliced into the brown wire at the alternator. Like I said I'm not very good when it comes to some of the electrical things. I generally understand some of the principals but not details. I have no idea how or where to splice in an amp gage into the Mk II alternator system. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net [mailto:genepadgett@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:48 AM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help Ron, I know you are looking for direct information from a Mark II owner and I do not have a Mark II. But if worst to comes worst, I would say wire it the same as a Mark 1A. I cannot see how it makes a difference if the current is coming from an alternator or a generator once it is converted to direct current. The Mark IA wires the ammeter between the battery terminal on the regulator and the battery terminal on the starter solenoid. That effectively wires it directly between the controlled output of the regulator to the battery. It is directly in the path to the battery with full power flowing through it. I suspect the Lucas or Jaeger ammeter is made to function that way. I would bet that the 60 inch or so wire from the ammeter is about long enough to get from the ammeter to the starter solenoid. Is it connected to the ammeter? If it is meant to go to the starter solenoid, it would be connected to the output terminal of the ammeter. There would need to be a much shorter wire connecting the ammeter input terminal to the "A" terminal of the alternator "control box". I believe the factory original alternator "control box" is in the same general location as the generator regulator is mounted, is it not? How the wire gets back through the firewall from the meter to the starter solenoid I have no idea. When the dealer installed mine back in the '67 they just spliced it into the factory wire that went from the regulator to the starter solenoid on the engine bay side next to the regulator. I would expect that original factory wire on my Mark IA from the regulator directly to the solenoid is in some wire loom under the dash going to the passenger side of the car and then into the engine bay. I can have a look if you would like. Gene _____ From: "Ron Fraser" To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:54:34 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help I want to clarify my request. I need to know how the Mk II amp gage wire harness is loomed through the car and how the amp gage harness is spliced into the Mk II wiring. I believe the wire harness I'm looking at is from Rootes, it seems correct but I need to inspect it further. I simply don't like the way it is loomed under the steering and over the front of the engine; too many moving parts. I think the harness should be loomed behind the dash to the right side then out to the alternator; if that is how the Mk II amp gage is suppose to be splice into the wiring. This would make a cleaner looking install and get the harness away from moving parts. I have not accurately measured the full length of this harness to see if it is long enough to move; it is somewhere over 60" long. Thanks Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:19 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] MK II wiring help I'm working on a MK II. I noticed the brown wires for the ammeter come out the drivers side harness grommet and snake around the front top of the engine. This seems incorrect to me but I'm a novice when it come to Mk II details. MK II guidance needed. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4962 - Release Date: 04/27/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 10:38:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6952D078C for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:38:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8AC12D064C for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:38:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3RGcZb7000519; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:38:36 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0225 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189434) id dm0225.4f90dc52.235532; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:38:30 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PmsuGqGSk0wIAAAAD,e338525254890830b2522d318c40641c X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.148.52 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Smit, Theo'" , , Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:38:21 -0400 Message-ID: <0FAD059245324364A782D7C201AB9B70@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C7B8BA5@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Thread-Index: Ac0khqRmOQRYI9w4SV2aEaRAqJpCiQAAAlXwAAE6L4AAAEqP8AAAaFZgAAChTbAAAIxcUA== X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-27_02:2012-04-27,2012-04-27,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1204270177 Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Theo I have not checked the system thoroughly but your last statement seems to ring true. I don't think I ever saw the amp gage go anywhere but to the negative side. I need to do some better testing and observation of this system the next time I work on it. Any idea how an amp gage should be wired into this alternator system? Thanks Ron -----Original Message----- From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit@dynastream.com] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:21 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; jay.laifman@gmail.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] MK II wiring help One way to evaluate the overall wiring correctness (regardless of where, physically, the connections are made) is to observe the ammeter readings under some different conditions: 1. Everything off: Reading is at zero. 2. Ignition off, headlights on: Reading shows about -8 amps (discharge due to about 100 watts of lighting) 3. Headlights off, ignition on, engine not running: A small negative (discharge) value. Turning on ancillaries such as heater, wipers, brake lights, headlights should each show negative values according to their approximate current draw. 4. Engine running: You should get a positive reading, starting at a higher value (20-30 amps) immediately after the engine is started, tapering down to probably about 5-10 amps after a few minutes. This should not change if you turn on headlights, or other accessories, although the needle might flicker when you first turn on or off heavy loads such as the headlights. If you only ever get readings in one direction then it's miswired. Theo _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 10:46:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B202D0798 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:46:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7752D0619 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:40:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:41:12 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:41:12 -0400 X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.8a, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <4f9acc28.3422.0@thecia.net> X-User-Info: 96.237.177.118 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Mk II wiring X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rande@thecia.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ' Side note: Because the MkII Tigers had an alternator, I thought the ammeter was no longer an official option? If that's true then whatever wiring you're seeing was added by the dealer or a PO.' According to the June 1967 parts catalogue, there were LHD and RHD ammeter 'kits" which seemed to be replaced by individual ammeters for both the Alpine V (alternator car) and the Tiger Mk II, and the catalogue shows the same part number used for both of these cars. In the C.A.T 'Tiger Under-Dash Wiring' illustration, again not differentiating between Tiger 1, 1A, or II, a brown wire from the ammeter goes to the starter solenoid, a brown with yellow stripe wire goes to voltage regulator terminal A, all of this in addition to the illumination light and the gauge ground harness. I agree with Ron that routing a wire through the left side of the motor and around to the other side of the engine compartment is just nuts, in addition to being pretty sloppy-looking. I should mention that about ten years ago, I bought a Jaeger ammeter through the C.A.T. parts department for alternator-equipped Tiger 1A, and it just came with the wiring and socket for the illumination light, no instructions and no extra wiring. Don't gang up on me all at once, and no - I don't do stand up at night, but is there any likelihood that Rootes included the wiring, like more modern manufacturers sometimes do, in the harness, making installation easier. I remember the 1970+ Datsun 510 having an optional clock or tach (couldn't do both - they took up the same location) and some or all of the wiring was already there. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 11:04:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEB32D0780 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:04:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe003.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657022D0622 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:04:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail165-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.239) by TX2EHSOBE001.bigfish.com (10.9.40.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:05:05 +0000 Received: from mail165-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail165-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609F1E04E8; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:05:05 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: -1 X-BigFish: VPS-1(zz9371Ie2eM542M1432Nzz1202hzz8275ch8275bhz30ih2a8h668h839h944hd25h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:204.77.163.11; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail165-tx2: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail165-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail165-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1335546303665234_12586; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS031.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.243]) by mail165-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F1D2E00A1; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by TX2EHSMHS031.bigfish.com (10.9.99.131) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:05:02 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com (10.2.1.219) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:05:33 -0500 Received: from OL-EX2K7HT3.ad.garmin.com (10.2.1.218) by OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com (10.2.1.219) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:05:02 -0500 Received: from OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com ([fe80:0000:0000:0000:18d3:70d4:70.53.29.188]) by OL-EX2K7HT3.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.1.218]) with mapi; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:05:02 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "rande@thecia.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:05:01 -0500 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tiger Mk II wiring Thread-Index: Ac0klWyHR+x9QngdRtiW/VRHrunYHgAATWfA Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C7B8BDD@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> References: <4f9acc28.3422.0@thecia.net> In-Reply-To: <4f9acc28.3422.0@thecia.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: dynastream.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Mk II wiring X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Rande, The ammeter installation requires that an existing connection in the harness has to be removed and the ammeter inserted in its place... so if Rootes had been forward looking enough to pre-wire for an ammeter, there would have to be a hot link (with appropriate #10 or 3/16" lugs, and securely insulated in the case an ammeter was not installed) in the area of the ammeter location, with brown and brown/yellow wires as you noted. I don't have a lot of knowledge about the OEM Rootes harness or the replacement harness offered by Rick and others, but I don't think that such a feature had ever been put in. It would certainly have prevented a lot of botched ammeter hookups. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rande > Sent: April 27, 2012 10:41 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Mk II wiring > > According to the June 1967 parts catalogue, there were LHD and RHD > ammeter > 'kits" which seemed to be replaced by individual ammeters for both the > Alpine > V (alternator car) and the Tiger Mk II, and the catalogue shows the > same part > number used for both of these cars. > > In the C.A.T 'Tiger Under-Dash Wiring' illustration, again not > differentiating > between Tiger 1, 1A, or II, a brown wire from the ammeter goes to the > starter > solenoid, a brown with yellow stripe wire goes to voltage regulator > terminal > A, all of this in addition to the illumination light and the gauge > ground harness. > > > I agree with Ron that routing a wire through the left side of the motor > and > around to the other side of the engine compartment is just nuts, in > addition > to being pretty sloppy-looking. > > I should mention that about ten years ago, I bought a Jaeger ammeter > through > the C.A.T. parts department for alternator-equipped Tiger 1A, and it > just came > with the wiring and socket for the illumination light, no instructions > and no > extra wiring. > > Don't gang up on me all at once, and no - I don't do stand up at night, > but > is there any likelihood that Rootes included the wiring, like more > modern manufacturers > sometimes do, in the harness, making installation easier. I remember > the 1970+ > Datsun 510 having an optional clock or tach (couldn't do both - they > took up > the same location) and some or all of the wiring was already there. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 11:05:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55AAE2D080E for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:05:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752A82D0622 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:05:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3RH5flB022338; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:05:50 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622e) id sj1-dm103.4f90dc95.23a913; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:03:48 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PmtF0VhE1ZAIAAAAC,443ed0ea3db7fa957cd008ae2d4174fb X-Originating-Ip: 67.72.98.46 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.148.52]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:03:44 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:03:41 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <4f9acc28.3422.0@thecia.net> Thread-Index: Ac0klWqNRb9iWf2wQfKLu8/HiqOfeAAAPcFA X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-27_02:2012-04-27,2012-04-27,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1204270186 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Mk II wiring X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Rande I need to do a better investigation of this charging system. I have 2 wires in a wrapped harness that is 60+ inches long and it looks like it has the big connection with the now yellowed plastic coverings. It appears to be a stock Rootes harness but I need to take a closer look. I have no idea what was contained in the amp gage option kit for the Mk II that information would be valuable. I also need to take a closer look at what type of amp gage this has; I only remember +35 to -35. Ron -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rande Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:41 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Mk II wiring ' Side note: Because the MkII Tigers had an alternator, I thought the ammeter was no longer an official option? If that's true then whatever wiring you're seeing was added by the dealer or a PO.' According to the June 1967 parts catalogue, there were LHD and RHD ammeter 'kits" which seemed to be replaced by individual ammeters for both the Alpine V (alternator car) and the Tiger Mk II, and the catalogue shows the same part number used for both of these cars. In the C.A.T 'Tiger Under-Dash Wiring' illustration, again not differentiating between Tiger 1, 1A, or II, a brown wire from the ammeter goes to the starter solenoid, a brown with yellow stripe wire goes to voltage regulator terminal A, all of this in addition to the illumination light and the gauge ground harness. I agree with Ron that routing a wire through the left side of the motor and around to the other side of the engine compartment is just nuts, in addition to being pretty sloppy-looking. I should mention that about ten years ago, I bought a Jaeger ammeter through the C.A.T. parts department for alternator-equipped Tiger 1A, and it just came with the wiring and socket for the illumination light, no instructions and no extra wiring. Don't gang up on me all at once, and no - I don't do stand up at night, but is there any likelihood that Rootes included the wiring, like more modern manufacturers sometimes do, in the harness, making installation easier. I remember the 1970+ Datsun 510 having an optional clock or tach (couldn't do both - they took up the same location) and some or all of the wiring was already there. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4962 - Release Date: 04/27/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 12:40:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DB42D067A for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:40:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2952D033C for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:31:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 33xJ1j0061uE5Es516YCgl; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:32:12 +0000 Received: from sz0158.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.226]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 36YE1j0014srf2c3c6YEuL; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:32:14 +0000 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:32:11 +0000 (UTC) From: stubrennan@comcast.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Message-ID: <1654157801.1665270.1335551531156.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [199.36.96.24] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (zclient/6.0.13_GA_2944) Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Mk II wiring X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >From the way my ammeter was wired,I suspect that wiring was not part of the kit for Ammeters for Generator cars. My gauge had never moved off zero, maybe a twitch once in a while, so one day I traced it out. The installer had run some really thin, maybe #28 or so, plastic insulated wires to a couple points that had little to do with the charging current. Had 30A run through these wires, there would have been a flash, maybe a fire... I properly wired it, and now it indicates fine. My generator car has a +/-30A Ammeter, because that's all the generator could produce. Didn't the alternators on Mk 2 cars have a much higher output than 30A, so they would need a differernt Ammeter? Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 12:43:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A392D07D6 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:43:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9767D2D03D8 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:43:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004960 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3RIhWA5032409; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:43:44 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 401894a0) id sj1-dm103.4f90dc95.23f018; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:43:25 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PmujNm9J0awIAAAAD,1caa314e639b3d5ac501b507208901c5 X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.148.160 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:43:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <1654157801.1665270.1335551531156.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Thread-Index: Ac0kpA8WcKtqBnkiReiptQsknoIXBwAAG9rw X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-27_03:2012-04-27,2012-04-27,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1204270219 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Mk II wiring X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Stu This ammeter has 35 on the face and it has 2 heavy brown wires attached. The original generator was rated at 25A so a 30A gauge seems right. When I converted my Tiger to an alternator system I used the same 30A ammeter with a 55A alternator; no problem so far but then I try to keep my battery charged all the time. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: stubrennan@comcast.net [mailto:stubrennan@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 2:32 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: rande@thecia.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Mk II wiring >From the way my ammeter was wired,I suspect that wiring was not part of the kit for Ammeters for Generator cars. My gauge had never moved off zero, maybe a twitch once in a while, so one day I traced it out. The installer had run some really thin, maybe #28 or so, plastic insulated wires to a couple points that had little to do with the charging current. Had 30A run through these wires, there would have been a flash, maybe a fire... I properly wired it, and now it indicates fine. My generator car has a +/-30A Ammeter, because that's all the generator could produce. Didn't the alternators on Mk 2 cars have a much higher output than 30A, so they would need a differernt Ammeter? Stu ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4962 - Release Date: 04/27/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 13:44:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673A32D069F for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:44:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7658B2D0649 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:37:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:17 a=253cKie21zsA:10 a=f6uiHNYokGQA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=AuHRjDUdfIRMdg0ROR8A:9 a=MXAD3FefvJHt9rQw6M0A:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=-w2qzMtaoNlR1naVnMgA:9 a=Xx6z2HJuQeaFjyK5rw4A:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 72.224.119.118 Received: from [72.224.119.118] ([72.224.119.118:54489] helo=[192.168.1.130]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 25/FC-16302-595FA9F4; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:37:57 +0000 Message-ID: <4F9AF593.5000308@roadrunner.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:37:55 -0400 From: Tod Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net, " Ron Fraser" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ron: I don't know if this will help but the Shop Manual shows the wiring for an ammeter for a MkIA but not for the MkII. I know the ammeter was optional on the MkIA and the wiring diagram shows the ammeter with dashed lines replacing the wire that runs from the "B" (Battery) terminal on the voltage regulator to the terminal on the solenoid that is connected to the positive battery terminal. I conclude from this and seem to remember that, on my MkIA, the large brown wire going to the voltage regulator comes from the solenoid rather than directly from the alternator/generator. At least some of the MkII's had ammeters that matched the other instrumentation but it does not look like they were delivered from the factory that way which is probably why it is not shown on the wiring diagram. Since the MkII's used alternators, I recollect that the ammeter range was higher, + or - 50 amps, while the MkIA's were + or - 30 amps. In the CAT Notes there is an entry entitled, "Ammeter Installation" from Greg Tuttle added in the Mid-70s, it says. To quote, "... Before doing anything, disconnect the battery. ... Next, remove the large brown wire from the top pole of the voltage regulator. Remove connector and solder splice another piece of 10 ga wire and run back through the firewall to the + (plus) side of the meter. Run another piece of 10 ga wire from the - (negative) side back to the regulator and attach to top pole. Use suitable connectors at all four points, as a lot of current passes through them. Tape splice as necessary. Wire lamp by inserting plug on red wire into connector in harness under dash; ground black wire to tach mounting post. Check that connections are tight and well insulated and reconnect battery. Turn lights on and verify needle moves to - or discharge side of meter. If needle shows + or charge with lights on, reverse the two wires on the back of the meter." Although the instructions may have been written for the MkIA, they should also work for the MkII because the large brown wire, in both cases, carries the current to and from the positive terminal of the battery, and that is, of course, what you want the ammeter to read. Good luck, Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 14:19:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20A82D069F for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:19:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BAA2D0613 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:19:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from student2 ([unknown] [98.119.35.221]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3500KZXN5EE1L5@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:20:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <9539148B687243A7ABA6E8749DFACD4B@student2> From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:20:12 -0700 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Tigers] MK II wiring help X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Both to possibly assist Ron and quell my own curiosity: A. Is he function of the ammeter to show all and any load on the battery (less the starter of course)? Or: B. Is it to show the output of the alternator regardless of the load on the battery? Each requires a different wiring scheme. "A" would show all load, but it would be somewhat speculative to the functionality of the alternator. "B" would show the functionality of the alternator, but not the total potential load draw on the battery. It seems that two ammeters wired (differently) for both the "A" and "B" senarios would be ideal. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 16:08:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC3E2D0668 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:08:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493FD2D064B for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:08:27 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:08:27 -0400 X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.8a, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <4f9b18db.4530.0@thecia.net> X-User-Info: 96.237.177.118 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [Tigers] Mk II wiring help - more X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rande@thecia.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net To coroborate(sp) what Stu said, my original Lucas ammeter for my IA is a -+ 30 amp. The Jaeger ammeter for Alternator-equipped cars from C.A.T. is a -+ 50 amp. I wonder if the simplest course isn't to just follow the Shop Notes / United instructions for switching over a Mark I / IA to an alternator, concentrating only on what is involved once the alternator is in place. And I don't want to 'throw a Spaniard into the works', but should we factor in or rule out whether to consider the alternator light simulator resistor that's unique to the Mark II when Ron is finishing the repair? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 16:11:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700962D069A for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:11:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp01e.netjets.com (smtp01e.netjets.com [12.68.88.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1501E2D0625 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:11:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from unknown (HELO cmhsbg01e.netjets.com) ([10.70.11.53]) by dco-a08-esa01.gss-i.netjets.com with ESMTP; 27 Apr 2012 18:12:14 -0400 X-AuditID: 0a460b35-b7c6bae000001333-eb-4f9b19bddd52 Received: from CMHPRDOWA02.netjets.com (cmhprdowa02.netjets.com [10.70.12.61]) by cmhsbg01e.netjets.com (Symantec Brightmail Gateway) with SMTP id 9C.5A.04915.DB91B9F4; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cmhprdexc03.netjets.com ([10.136.1.220]) by CMHPRDOWA02.netjets.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:12:13 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:12:12 -0400 Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D40D4EB06E@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Mk II wiring help - more Thread-Index: Ac0kwl0mSypczEaXSyCc6UVh+rP2nQAAG6/i From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2012 22:12:13.0597 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC7334D0:01CD24C2] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II wiring help - more X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Is it Spaniard or Spanner? ;) Scott Hutchinson Pilot, NetJets Aviation Mobile 843.290.2805 ----- Original Message ----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri Apr 27 18:08:27 2012 Subject: [Tigers] Mk II wiring help - more To coroborate(sp) what Stu said, my original Lucas ammeter for my IA is a -+ 30 amp. The Jaeger ammeter for Alternator-equipped cars from C.A.T. is a -+ 50 amp. I wonder if the simplest course isn't to just follow the Shop Notes / United instructions for switching over a Mark I / IA to an alternator, concentrating only on what is involved once the alternator is in place. And I don't want to 'throw a Spaniard into the works', but should we factor in or rule out whether to consider the alternator light simulator resistor that's unique to the Mark II when Ron is finishing the repair? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/shutchin@netjets.com *** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. 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Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rande > Sent: April 27, 2012 4:08 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Mk II wiring help - more > > To coroborate(sp) what Stu said, my original Lucas ammeter for my IA is > a -+ > 30 amp. The Jaeger ammeter for Alternator-equipped cars from C.A.T. is > a -+ > 50 amp. > > I wonder if the simplest course isn't to just follow the Shop Notes / > United > instructions for switching over a Mark I / IA to an alternator, > concentrating > only on what is involved once the alternator is in place. And I don't > want to > 'throw a Spaniard into the works', but should we factor in or rule out > whether > to consider the alternator light simulator resistor that's unique to > the Mark > II when Ron is finishing the repair? > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. 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X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: acchd73@yahoo.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It is great to have Theo and others too but Theo does have a lot of knowledge about several subjects and it is nice to have him and others of his caliber in our group. Electricity(ac or dc) is unforgiving and hooked up wrong- well it just travels fast- 60 cycles on ac and directly to the ground thru the clock for example and if I accidently put the wires on wrong, Lucas smoke appears so fast you might use profane language even if you serve the Lord daily. I suppose my point is that we are a lucky bunch to have so many intelligent Tiger owners amongest our group. My donation for the day. Tony Lang (TtT) I dont remember my VIN or my TAC numbers but just for the record and once only, I do own both. --- On Fri, 4/27/12, Smit, Theo wrote: From: Smit, Theo Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II wiring help - more To: "rande@thecia.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Friday, April 27, 2012, 5:14 PM Hi Rande, So long as Ron puts the ammeter into the circuit in the right place, the alternator light won't factor in... if you were to do the wiring as noted in the Mk1A diagram, where the fused but unswitched circuits are on the opposite side of the ammeter from the rest of the alternator and 12V 'hot' stuff, you may see some odd behavior, especially if the ammeter connections were at all dirty. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rande > Sent: April 27, 2012 4:08 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Mk II wiring help - more > > To coroborate(sp) what Stu said, my original Lucas ammeter for my IA is > a -+ > 30 amp. The Jaeger ammeter for Alternator-equipped cars from C.A.T. is > a -+ > 50 amp. > > I wonder if the simplest course isn't to just follow the Shop Notes / > United > instructions for switching over a Mark I / IA to an alternator, > concentrating > only on what is involved once the alternator is in place. And I don't > want to > 'throw a Spaniard into the works', but should we factor in or rule out > whether > to consider the alternator light simulator resistor that's unique to > the Mark > II when Ron is finishing the repair? > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 20:28:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBEB2D0696 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:28:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4EE2D05EA for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:28:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbcup15 with SMTP id up15so1958469pbc.14 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:29:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=ZTnwel+aiGaeAWSwyJvFkJ7RHo4IW+Za34zHL2a747Y=; b=GJ1tIrEIqKrkDReomrQkXZX65uIk0OxdKU5FIpkWVeY+uZVNxTSOIzn3heDcaHKD8D I07p9eXEMA+bN6mxNKwYt4XFQWUOHHIte408s7j3PAVtSM+m8r/CCH6moFj1tbhvGfzu E05yAxNHNyAlzWEC0iGv3Jm91aPAnQ67zqsSiWyGhZf4PefCNfaDWvyLtfJbim5NmTWr 3wVG3V773aGL3R/t3ncROsQUKN4obgspimELErwDrwMjVv7r9bfsr18kwSR1WT0ZcwuF 5jK59Sry3Ha7cTXJ3d9DcRjxqMplIu+8v5WObu9zhxFbrzd0ltdFMaikOxTEit52IvbJ ghiw== Received: by 10.68.231.8 with SMTP id tc8mr21908054pbc.67.1335580148161; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.28.119.169] (mobile-166-205-141-228.mycingular.net. [166.205.141.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qb8sm8215419pbb.12.2012.04.27.19.29.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:29:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Holt X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:28:57 -0600 To: Tiger List Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: [Tigers] Tail Lights X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net So, what is the correct allocation for top and bottom sections of the taillights, as far as running, signals, and brakes? Jeff Holt Huntsville, UT _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 20:56:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 635C42D06A2 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:56:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824352D05D2 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:55:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhn6 with SMTP id hn6so957170wib.2 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:56:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=eaJqI9gOBCPcG/a8OyEXsIbMkcxiMN+OaMRNXa/eHwE=; b=ySQQHxycRfr0bXWA5QR1Q3ECOT4TaOjcF10CwNkpk06D2lRUos9hs72Yx2ehhCojW6 1L3QxBGNvVfaKPhh15PAujpe6GUczsqjMkOiZ1u5QjwjBB1ofI0fd9HilgiCLQoTivJw pAXDejhryiMZumLfJby0pTCz88DC1GYIMrY1ZpPrEwyMXSyNfFEQjJs+zBgQS5NVjAaE jHF7/qyix9cNZ4XQUyvd/o3cSjoZvs96EDwznQdMfc+Y1Pyq4/lbsGwRpxvTBFAbcj9P A4AUisEM4+HwIziQn9cAVrne8Dj8WgSODUgC+ZGAA/wxDEf/uTEuob+Trojcx4eBZnsH OcEw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.86.132 with SMTP id p4mr11256841wiz.15.1335581783854; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.25.84 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:56:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:56:23 +1000 Message-ID: From: michael king To: Jeff Holt Cc: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net indicator lights go to the top, brake/tail to the bottom On 28/04/2012, Jeff Holt wrote: > So, what is the correct allocation for top and bottom sections of the > taillights, as far as running, signals, and brakes? > > Jeff Holt > Huntsville, UT > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 21:16:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434342D07A3 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:16:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E3E72D05C4 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:16:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 5998 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2012 03:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.37.86.225) by p3plsmtpa06-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.109) with ESMTP; 28 Apr 2012 03:16:44 -0000 Message-ID: <4F9B6132.3090100@cthompson.net> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:17:06 -0400 From: Chris Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120420 Thunderbird/12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Pappenhagen References: In-Reply-To: Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 139 X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: chris@cthompson.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wordpress is ideally suited for this. There are a lot of "themes" to choose from as templates - look for one that is oriented towards a photo-based site if you want to store lots of photos. It's very easy to use and best of all it's free..... Chris On 4/26/2012 3:15 PM, Tom Pappenhagen wrote: > I'm starting my long, long awaited restoration of my MK1 Tiger. The car was dipped and stripped and now needs paint and reassembly. I'm looking for a site to host pictures and a commentary as I rebuild it. Any suggestions for a good site to capture this adventure on? TIA. > > > > > > Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 28 03:38:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20EE2D05C6 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:38:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551492D0429 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:38:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:39:16 -0400 From: "rande" To: shutchin@netjets.com Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:39:16 -0400 X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.8a, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <4f9bbac4.54a4.0@thecia.net> X-User-Info: 96.237.177.118 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] More wiring, sort of X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rande@thecia.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, Yes, the original phrase is 'spanner in the works', but I was trying to be a little cute by referencing the John Lennon book of the mid-1960s with the titled turn of phrase, A Spaniard in the Works. RB (with sincere deference to Spain) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of works.jpg] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 28 06:21:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D5A2D0642 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:21:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D195B2D04E2 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:19:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3SCKJUx011895; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:20:19 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0224 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0224.4f90dc56.266caa; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:20:18 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1Pm+CC4HDzIgIAAAAD,095652062fae290d35c7b41e5863df14 X-Originating-Ip: 67.72.98.45 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.145.82]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:20:12 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'michael king'" , "'Jeff Holt'" Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:20:09 -0400 Message-ID: <414F06C2C56149AF913E063A980AC407@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Thread-Index: Ac0k6og52s8kSxYcTGKdpgrTgTMGegATds0g In-Reply-To: X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-28_03:2012-04-27,2012-04-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1204280092 Cc: 'Tiger List' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jeff For Safety reasons and to be more visible at night; I collected enough parts to convert the top turn lights to a double element bulb so both sections light up for tail lights. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 10:56 PM To: Jeff Holt Cc: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights indicator lights go to the top, brake/tail to the bottom On 28/04/2012, Jeff Holt wrote: > So, what is the correct allocation for top and bottom sections of the > taillights, as far as running, signals, and brakes? > > Jeff Holt > Huntsville, UT _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 28 06:30:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFECE2D04F4 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:30:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298562D04BD for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:30:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3SCScf6030991; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:30:40 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0213 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0213.4f90dc71.268a63; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:30:38 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1Pm+LuSP4BOwIAAAAC,46c4c837b3dae1dff6df0ad81724eddc X-Originating-Ip: 67.72.98.45 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.145.82]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:30:33 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:30:30 -0400 Message-ID: <392E6C35F32C4B44A23FF641667CFDE1@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Thread-Index: Ac0kwlfdLGkziZJaTfy9Aoc+buPQowAdv1uw In-Reply-To: <4f9b18db.4530.0@thecia.net> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-28_03:2012-04-27,2012-04-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1204280094 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II wiring help - more X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm not concerned about my Mk IA alternator conversion; it works just fine and so does the ignition light. My concern is that I'm working on a Mk II that has what I believe is a poor installation of an ammeter. I would like to confirm with a Mk II owner that has an amp gauge: 1 - how is the amp gauge wire harness loomed in the car. 2 - how is the amp gauge wire harness spliced into the Mk II charging system. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rande Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:08 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Mk II wiring help - more To coroborate(sp) what Stu said, my original Lucas ammeter for my IA is a -+ 30 amp. The Jaeger ammeter for Alternator-equipped cars from C.A.T. is a -+ 50 amp. I wonder if the simplest course isn't to just follow the Shop Notes / United instructions for switching over a Mark I / IA to an alternator, concentrating only on what is involved once the alternator is in place. And I don't want to 'throw a Spaniard into the works', but should we factor in or rule out whether to consider the alternator light simulator resistor that's unique to the Mark II when Ron is finishing the repair? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 28 07:31:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4D42D051C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:31:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799D52D0475 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:26:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iajr24 with SMTP id r24so3296070iaj.14 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=munroe.ca; s=google; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :cc:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=gwGh5dwLXvdS6C6UWA0sQ5b422iKA7RaYlR2R0LYjug=; b=M3v4CROOkdaUKcux/EzLpxxMIPWn2bwZ42yHCOa4+Pl8asM9pHAmwmfZAqvlL+ALpx aWxv6DaNIE0qaZLB9BEsSmEhqPtW38F0W4E/+gMN/kvNhcV2KI1DHorhmXE/PK0CVDtR 77gurchF6Safw+W3vqM0BjtoGPf0Pbvc/TxS0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :cc:from:date:content-type:mime-version:x-gm-message-state; bh=gwGh5dwLXvdS6C6UWA0sQ5b422iKA7RaYlR2R0LYjug=; b=Xt6Z+Egcc662WZngg20MUQ3o5xkFuRT4qyaPOzFVa0bgQGtE4iJHn23eOP6hCwpr6a fLj36zDBCTvfyTAN06Y/fhXP2QbFhBoeXsdGPlYVAiMZmGuFf/z9V3dPtIVRw7+gA+cW U4qOXEATl1JA0+EmY2l6DdHiOLYpdRwHEuNP0O66P2aiTg3Lql5paGGc180MaX6jDvkQ RQjOKAYbs4sgenDac/95+5+6fMrQW+a6nfy6excmrpaOkGtqR6TreHo2QDcSh6ojHw04 j65RUr4fWNFSDsz9mGGYFYYgs++Wk0x+rkdiq53Jnpn92Gf4r8Dfs8Hl3sHA9VWqNpI9 udWg== Received: by 10.50.41.196 with SMTP id h4mr2455684igl.33.1335619640130; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.205.201 (bda-74-82-82-240.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.82.240]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t3sm14810828igb.16.2012.04.28.06.27.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:27:19 -0700 (PDT) References: <414F06C2C56149AF913E063A980AC407@ronpc1> In-Reply-To: <414F06C2C56149AF913E063A980AC407@ronpc1> Sensitivity: Normal To: rfraser@bluefrog.com,"'michael king'" ,"'Jeff Holt'" From: dave@munroe.ca Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:27:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlU1yBI1JtutNQN5tEAZfOiWs4ZpPvqXihfP42FdxLWxqtd6cDwSytmSpK5QD40IgJdUCrX Cc: 'Tiger List' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: dave@munroe.ca List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120428133152.5B4D42D051C@autox.team.net> Cool! Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: " Ron Fraser" Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:20:09 To: 'michael king'; 'Jeff Holt' Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: 'Tiger List' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights Jeff For Safety reasons and to be more visible at night; I collected enough parts to convert the top turn lights to a double element bulb so both sections light up for tail lights. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 10:56 PM To: Jeff Holt Cc: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights indicator lights go to the top, brake/tail to the bottom On 28/04/2012, Jeff Holt wrote: > So, what is the correct allocation for top and bottom sections of the > taillights, as far as running, signals, and brakes? > > Jeff Holt > Huntsville, UT _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 28 08:19:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B9E2D07A3 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:19:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481D22D04BF for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:11:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so1062760qcs.14 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:12:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=hiJ9JZzaZ0axSB23roApOnYE9Ky3dC/aBQqYmS4Nm7E=; b=0njz9WtCXWr/G6EYGEe0x1mTZ0ARiCJCw0O8rv0/3vTYA+QC2PaoYlFUHBMfPZLGUm Slrju0YPpnZp1NfdxfaXWN2XrkMDHT8hQtZhtV2rLkiLTWaeEHRhJc7wapFV2YCZuSj+ jouFEUsx76yzcCI17HyJruyC7rd4+1x4DGZ4FvgylDPcxOYTf5iNWJTY51E1HBaDWg23 ffpep4g03UQgs9t0w+tITAPy2/Rla+NPP8X5akcwagTEFjBa41QB2JRfHzkrAItgBIB3 Gf52Lk+Qb4BYwdvMrvpch+EyQIAsZBXfgAXcbTB2yKREu7dnYzZ+y2ueFcd8LBUtvcGZ BSRw== Received: by 10.229.135.18 with SMTP id l18mr3581324qct.18.1335622338903; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.5.106] (cpe-69-203-25-79.nyc.res.rr.com. [69.203.25.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bm15sm15604542qab.17.2012.04.28.07.12.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:12:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <414F06C2C56149AF913E063A980AC407@ronpc1> In-Reply-To: <414F06C2C56149AF913E063A980AC407@ronpc1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <15788963-3E43-4230-87F8-54BC41C6F6D8@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) From: Owain Lloyd Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:12:14 -0400 To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" Cc: Jeff Holt , Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net So what happens when you indicate? The top light gets a bit brighter? I find that style of indicator very dangerous as its barely visible. It's not legal in the rest of the world which is why you only find it on American cars. I changed to the british style orange lenses for the indicators. It doesn't look as nice as all red tail lights but I just think indicators should be orange! On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:20 AM, " Ron Fraser" wrote: > Jeff > For Safety reasons and to be more visible at night; I collected > enough parts to convert the top turn lights to a double element bulb so both > sections light up for tail lights. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of michael king > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 10:56 PM > To: Jeff Holt > Cc: Tiger List > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights > > > indicator lights go to the top, brake/tail to the bottom > > On 28/04/2012, Jeff Holt wrote: >> So, what is the correct allocation for top and bottom sections of the >> taillights, as far as running, signals, and brakes? >> >> Jeff Holt >> Huntsville, UT _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 28 08:35:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136C92D05C3 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:35:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95572D0398 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:27:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3SEPGhq027781; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:27:56 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0213 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b282) id dm0213.4f90dc71.26c9fc; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:27:41 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1Pm/5d5HubOAIAAAAE,bb6016a29f002eea6817213b7c945d76 X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.178.130 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Owain Lloyd'" Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:27:33 -0400 Message-ID: <8E52355AFF884F88B55A70C32ECEBB81@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Thread-Index: Ac0lSOyKYWOrcjHmRUifu3SHEwI6/gAAQXDg In-Reply-To: <15788963-3E43-4230-87F8-54BC41C6F6D8@gmail.com> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-28_03:2012-04-27,2012-04-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1204280130 Cc: 'Jeff Holt' , 'Tiger List' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Owain When I indicate the 27 watt element lights up which is very visible - the tail light element is 8 watt. I like the Orange indicator lens too but it is not legal to have it lit up for a tail light. I think having both upper and lower red sections as tail lights is more visible for night time driving. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:12 AM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: michael king; Jeff Holt; Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights So what happens when you indicate? The top light gets a bit brighter? I find that style of indicator very dangerous as its barely visible. It's not legal in the rest of the world which is why you only find it on American cars. I changed to the british style orange lenses for the indicators. It doesn't look as nice as all red tail lights but I just think indicators should be orange! On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:20 AM, " Ron Fraser" wrote: > Jeff > For Safety reasons and to be more visible at night; I collected > enough parts to convert the top turn lights to a double element bulb > so both sections light up for tail lights. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of michael king > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 10:56 PM > To: Jeff Holt > Cc: Tiger List > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights > > > indicator lights go to the top, brake/tail to the bottom > > On 28/04/2012, Jeff Holt wrote: >> So, what is the correct allocation for top and bottom sections of the >> taillights, as far as running, signals, and brakes? >> >> Jeff Holt >> Huntsville, UT _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4962 - Release Date: 04/27/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 28 12:49:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26E12D065E for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:49:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67632D050A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:45:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbbey12 with SMTP id ey12so1739123vbb.14 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:45:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=munroe.ca; s=google; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=1gFMqPlpWo7Xrsww7HrTzGAtpgRAleG+bywzfCoIF0Q=; b=HOK/YBZmL8BFTxxXwLH3oEdQbCJms35wPQpJtgBjpgN+MYrJq8GwuvKMUeOt2i4Abu 2K4UHBbDOlnvnT22+FiboivC8zNNpgn31t/6+FYbWiRCn9aoJm5sYOZHq0vlJvgdsxjj KZ1H0YBfNNL2jH96TE33jbe4FKq78jWvwwO1s= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=1gFMqPlpWo7Xrsww7HrTzGAtpgRAleG+bywzfCoIF0Q=; b=KF0XPT1ToRLRDF0u6hBWHt/V4YSxaLyynHrJISDanbtfYjPYVXItXkLcuAHkVPX6Ps yy39mmaLZXedTRpCcbhwjUtvRiVMa+iclxjQsHT1toEf75RkB+tofl69UQ88B1J1g50u uQuR1aT8s4sbUD4R5EAyAeE8SaJXWtUB+/PjPUIsPVeMd5dgfpT2kL+vEow0WF6TQHhA 74Nx2NcvLXX+/Z64ml+TvVFHtkw2NDO57ccUhl/1biQGCELeELx8G8hF/cuCdWPfQm5S Ih20lNNHU7k1Ac8rUpbvi+Pn8lIPdlkyJErv3sxtdFADPqaI6PFQwxG3HFAaRHUpATCp G8Hg== Received: by 10.52.31.42 with SMTP id x10mr8537466vdh.33.1335638753231; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:45:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <8E52355AFF884F88B55A70C32ECEBB81@ronpc1> In-Reply-To: <8E52355AFF884F88B55A70C32ECEBB81@ronpc1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Dave Munroe Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:45:52 -0300 Message-ID: <-6743455263061209398@unknownmsgid> To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkixkFI1ZQ7mwHD1TK0s4atjpW/fZD58SlqraxY/0Tk0V6zYu5P0Rp7bUByp1abdj8/dpKB Cc: Jeff Holt , Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ron: I have installed halogen bulbs in the "red" section of my rear lights - brake and tail elements - and they are incredibly bright. the first time out I was followed home after dark by a friend, who came right up my drive to tell me my brake lights were stuck on! Then I put my brakes on with him watching and he was dazzled. I'm not sure this is a good thing, but I haven't changed the bulbs back. These new halogen, and now LED replacements for standard bulbs, are incredibly bright. Perhaps you have a better solution. Dave Sent from my iPad On 2012-04-28, at 11:35 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Owain > When I indicate the 27 watt element lights up which is very visible > - the tail light element is 8 watt. > I like the Orange indicator lens too but it is not legal to have it lit up > for a tail light. I think having both upper and lower red sections as tail > lights is more visible for night time driving. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:12 AM > To: rfraser@bluefrog.com > Cc: michael king; Jeff Holt; Tiger List > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights > > > So what happens when you indicate? The top light gets a bit brighter? I > find that style of indicator very dangerous as its barely visible. It's not > legal in the rest of the world which is why you only find it on American > cars. I changed to the british style orange lenses for the indicators. It > doesn't look as nice as all red tail lights but I just think indicators > should be orange! > > On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:20 AM, " Ron Fraser" wrote: > >> Jeff >> For Safety reasons and to be more visible at night; I collected >> enough parts to convert the top turn lights to a double element bulb >> so both sections light up for tail lights. >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >> [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of michael king >> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 10:56 PM >> To: Jeff Holt >> Cc: Tiger List >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights >> >> >> indicator lights go to the top, brake/tail to the bottom >> >> On 28/04/2012, Jeff Holt wrote: >>> So, what is the correct allocation for top and bottom sections of the >>> taillights, as far as running, signals, and brakes? >>> >>> Jeff Holt >>> Huntsville, UT _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers@autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Michael King >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com >> >> > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4962 - Release Date: 04/27/12 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 28 13:06:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93F72D07C0 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:06:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E312D065E for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:06:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3SJ6abY028904; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:07:02 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0219 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b132) id dm0219.4f90dc63.279163; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:06:48 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PnD/I6aYKCQIAAAAE,4e955eaea5d8cc7dd2da13a732eade91 X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.177.50 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Dave Munroe'" Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:06:04 -0400 Message-ID: <48574F6DB8E140099C0332EDDD95F46D@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Thread-Index: Ac0lbyQMvkhnrja2Rsu0WAHWqpTYvgAADSxg In-Reply-To: <-6743455263061209398@unknownmsgid> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-28_06:2012-04-27,2012-04-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1204280219 Cc: 'Jeff Holt' , 'Tiger List' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dave Halogen bulbs are great as long as they don't get too hot and start melting plastic. LED replacements show promise but I still read about some problems with them. I have not experimented with LED bulbs so I don't know how good or bad they may be. Others on the list have worked with them some. If your friend thought your brake lights were on then so will others including the police but until they stop you your good to go. Probably the main problem with the tail lights is the reflector cup no longer reflects light well and the other problem is dirt on the inside of the lenses. I just cleaned the inside of my lenses with soapy water and a toothbrush. There was a lot of dust on all those small surfaces. I also noticed that the reflector cup was very dull. I'm not sure at the moment what I'll do to increase the cups reflectivity. It's low priority on the To Do list right now. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Dave Munroe [mailto:dave@munroe.ca] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:46 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: Owain Lloyd; Jeff Holt; Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights Ron: I have installed halogen bulbs in the "red" section of my rear lights - brake and tail elements - and they are incredibly bright. the first time out I was followed home after dark by a friend, who came right up my drive to tell me my brake lights were stuck on! Then I put my brakes on with him watching and he was dazzled. I'm not sure this is a good thing, but I haven't changed the bulbs back. These new halogen, and now LED replacements for standard bulbs, are incredibly bright. Perhaps you have a better solution. Dave Sent from my iPad On 2012-04-28, at 11:35 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Owain > When I indicate the 27 watt element lights up which is very visible > - the tail light element is 8 watt. > I like the Orange indicator lens too but it is not legal to have it lit up > for a tail light. I think having both upper and lower red sections as tail > lights is more visible for night time driving. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:12 AM > To: rfraser@bluefrog.com > Cc: michael king; Jeff Holt; Tiger List > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights > > > So what happens when you indicate? The top light gets a bit brighter? > I find that style of indicator very dangerous as its barely visible. > It's not legal in the rest of the world which is why you only find it on American > cars. I changed to the british style orange lenses for the indicators. It > doesn't look as nice as all red tail lights but I just think > indicators should be orange! > > On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:20 AM, " Ron Fraser" > wrote: > >> Jeff >> For Safety reasons and to be more visible at night; I collected >> enough parts to convert the top turn lights to a double element bulb >> so both sections light up for tail lights. >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >> [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of michael king >> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 10:56 PM >> To: Jeff Holt >> Cc: Tiger List >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Lights >> >> >> indicator lights go to the top, brake/tail to the bottom >> >> On 28/04/2012, Jeff Holt wrote: >>> So, what is the correct allocation for top and bottom sections of >>> the taillights, as far as running, signals, and brakes? >>> >>> Jeff Holt >>> Huntsville, UT _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers@autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Michael King >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com >> >> > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4962 - Release Date: > 04/27/12 _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca > > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4962 - Release Date: 04/27/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 28 13:39:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C012D07B1 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:39:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325AC2D04AE for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:34:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C592E066 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:41:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4F9C4804.7020404@bradakis.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:41:56 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120312 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tiger's List Subject: [Tigers] Team.Net web server X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net While working on one problem I accidently caused another, as anyone who tried to get to the forums, the mailman admin page, the donate link or whatever during the last 12 hours or so would know. The server is now responding, though the problems I was working on are still unresolved. I'd rather be at The Mitty! mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 29 07:28:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E052D06DF for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 07:28:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C052D0694 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 07:28:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3TDSr5C024195 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:28:53 -0400 Received: from core-mla001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.79]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8F61AE000081 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:28:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Carmods@aol.com Message-ID: <53c7f.3ddf8cb2.3cce9c15@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:28:53 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 271 X-Originating-IP: [99.102.226.87] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335706133; bh=G62V8C+DcTzUeLEyC/ajZwf9Yfp3f7gy/kdFkBavbkU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LIcCN3UQnB5SZOY78q4ok440gkFmYPZbINRIBuJZMgsq5+1gpXJzwLtaHrn3boV0Z 12ll7eJNpcDt5LWKG3lre+R+xLyhVNzx0tjfUHuTt2PWD50npBd4VC5uumYvisLW3k duTvoJ9dZ/TuVqu8b82YniLlPmBl/+B1Gc9mysmI= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:333556832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b4f9d42157042 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] MK II Wiring, Ammeter X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Tom, The answer is;: A. The function of the ammeter is to show all the load on the battery, in or out. (less the starter of course)? John Logan _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 29 08:25:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B1F2D03B4 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 08:25:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC1B2D04FB for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 08:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3TEKMvr016100; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:20:22 -0400 Received: from core-mla001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.79]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 30D74E000088; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:20:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Carmods@aol.com Message-ID: <54b68.55f45e9a.3ccea825@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:20:22 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net, rfraser@bluefrog.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 271 X-Originating-IP: [99.102.226.87] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335709222; bh=q6DjsOn9cWf75bB8JWl9Lu9GVoYiJ32RkwhgT0AuVjc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=u8IIt8sfKo4giazpfQfR0DeK3UR9oFnkfhO785b+V0iwP0N3wxeHVoK+IGjnTW/pe EgRPVosdb1s0BqLS2qscOSIAEP9pxT3ZJxAPj+EqswAL+MPB08is4oXyjBa0x+fbkV LAvAymqyBXoVRmRI7uZSD0ebELKsTE9Pix2UTEC8= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440141504:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b4f9d4e266ff3 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Dual Filament Running /Stoplight X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For Safety reasons and to be more visible at night; I collected enough parts to convert the top turn lights to a double element bulb so both sections light up for tail lights. Ron Fraser Ron, If you are interested in how to hook up your parts for the dual filament running / stoplight in the top location of the tail light, go to the December 2001 issue of the TE/AE Rootes Review. If any one else is interested, I'll send you a copy. John Logan _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 29 14:52:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B1A2D079B for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:52:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E8CF62D0753 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:52:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2012 20:52:43 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.217] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2012 20:52:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2012 20:52:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 578981.16702.bm@omp1026.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 24647 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Apr 2012 20:52:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335732763; bh=KBAQlIQpMZn1VzI3d73GeDAv5HazLfju6bL6ABee44E=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CAEFFIRLwgxkZO2KjBnOboTRLQuPwY4B9MVtPLoLVGWyshakAyTzorPSSQco3RdbfQPIsCV9L0hDTLFWuW4FOMYxYUwhNhrtHTNAaGuYTTkKZDY08SY5OlXoQptNqBMVulnFrT5AtyXU7BlVqDedpf3LDXCFm3hyzFtnbkYSdc4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xzDcpNOZy2/fMAoo54HT7UC35InmMcr5T41J9NGHq6YsLEhF1pvNTgIhEhojcoIvFqtNOUqacvKTmP8I6nlvc8cfMYp6K2WcyHowKV2IppPbVVsNQgJ2V/+MpdKQa7/lAGqAfHA3AiKLpsASMhvcYmCoV5E35UwXPJuPpykn0AQ=; X-YMail-OSG: IHZJPL8VM1kvD_dTFipQcb7yfyLiM.iaH0X.jZjcLL5ONw8 yPo7aT55gFPNXQifkmGDGTw4App9bRlOG._q2EK7OkoFwyxRIbSfc8jvqDaW u.JlLWaxgmKySFdbD2N6cDqI.wvHPPFUE4owirt.0FJakCSQtwTsqxUZ0vXX v2dEcb5BqIqCjtrvHnRSoT6d.1wlgol19zH_hkov3RZJZE9_z3l6DLw5G9hb r5xBEnA6.HDZFmlIA7QRGe3zwf9N1nxykp_hi5tYOF_fEVb25VU.Eh6GRQjQ Lu.XFSQKF57K7qBPJ3ZjfuT_yZWoTECyiEGLq2.wLEqVeu3rRqZgg41gJhvl VoZiliUmFmQAjJD7TGQPBXfLIRobFdmZGGSjLWRnGAgumhePdeCTzF9jGMHH us4h5z357trv7h9oYJcn7tiPrdVkcb2.pddW4AyBFLh7aHRzVtULJP.2Kjmn EUhPn3tYtg1NYHOEfoEdc3ESbieJNOUhbFjCBJ0Yx Received: from [63.142.116.98] by web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:52:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1335732763.24275.YahooMailClassic@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:52:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Orginal 4 speed gear lube X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: acchd73@yahoo.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A more recent owner ask me about what kube he should use in his Mk1 and I found a shop mannual and read him what they reccomended BUT Im sure I recall a discussion abiut what is in certain lubes, the use of synthetics etc. I told him I would ask the List and see what most are now running. I have to get the synthetic gear lube out of the 5 speed and get synthetic ATF this week- hoping a new pump from NAPA will work after removing the shifter, adding ATF and maybe changing it again- depending on how much I can remove. I lost the measurement for holes when my yahoo account was stolen- had a ton of important Tiger info in folders- not sure if it was the theif or yahoo that did away with them. Makes a person want to keep them in two places- just in case. Thanks in advance for helping Damian, he is getting hooked fast. Have to love new Tiger owners! TtT in southern Il. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 29 15:33:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B3A2D07D1 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:33:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AEA22D07B1 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:32:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3xGj1j0021bwxycAAxYmdw; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:32:46 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.112]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3xYm1j0052R7Hzg8exYmjq; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:32:46 +0000 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:32:46 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: acchd73@yahoo.com Message-ID: <558923407.2109883.1335735166055.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1335732763.24275.YahooMailClassic@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [24.15.170.224] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Beamclub Subject: Re: [Tigers] Orginal 4 speed gear lube X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tony, the short version of my earlier posts is to generally stay away from GL-5 oils. The vast majority seem to use a brass syncro attacking sulfur additive to achieve their GL-5 rating. GL-4 oils are much more syncro friendly. I recommended Red Line MT-90 75W90 GL-4 gear oil. I subsequently learned Red Line makes what they claim is a syncro friendly GL-5 oil. It is called 75W90 NS GL-5 which is specifically recommended for Ford Toploaders and other muscle car trans. (I wonder if the "NS" in the name means "no sulfur"...) Check out the Red Line website for more details. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: "Beamclub" Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 3:52:43 PM Subject: [Tigers] Orginal 4 speed gear lube A more recent owner ask me about what kube he should use in his Mk1 and I found a shop mannual and read him what they reccomended BUT Im sure I recall a discussion abiut what is in certain lubes, the use of synthetics etc. I told him I would ask the List and see what most are now running. I have to get the synthetic gear lube out of the 5 speed and get synthetic ATF this week- hoping a new pump from NAPA will work after removing the shifter, adding ATF and maybe changing it again- depending on how much I can remove. I lost the measurement for holes when my yahoo account was stolen- had a ton of important Tiger info in folders- not sure if it was the theif or yahoo that did away with them. Makes a person want to keep them in two places- just in case. Thanks in advance for helping Damian, he is getting hooked fast. Have to love new Tiger owners! TtT in southern Il. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 29 15:33:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0332D07E3 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:33:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E1DFF2D07DA for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:32:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2012 21:33:22 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.231] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2012 21:33:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1040.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2012 21:33:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 301052.78076.bm@omp1040.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16875 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Apr 2012 21:33:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335735202; bh=wgc7gqmZV9YfALiItyXIuHdTl2R/fObetVy5sJPr3Wk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NYK+IligXYpuzr2T/jqS9EYAkWaBbeWnnq/iI30bdZVpRBfNyv3InTazrDF1qvx7ZfHrd5brxwlJDwK8Ypom08I97t7AgXCVPaUp+jW5jhCbziUc7tR5JR9zWSruEco7Vp1I8CBKf8F/xK5oUxFO8NOQadwt+x0KayOR7rxT91w= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=00KIS3ZpXG5ogEU89ZHZ/pu3RT5BqUPdjWqGUoAHo8HlDAYjddOMTeRsauAIv71NKH68hvDvH5CoIbt8BoUDGYo26p7xw63e7VlcXDqX7KUQntEq3rwcrsvNCNvY2/TFHk3hIGoie6WC34+Q9iWsXnVyKyg+DEetD/pcReKnWWc=; X-YMail-OSG: hvw7NhQVM1ncuUTuLDpmpHd2qYUejEK2GNKXeiUEprjJVLu zWk8FJckrK68I3Pyi77v7cG5XMs08jOuqFUBxua3Kb9YfrNMEtTmSodCe86Z ht_9GpUb7WkZ3aAw9Sw7zS7B2s8LciCYspAob76SmzEFNWPDFqCnQp3GMR1w veN_HUHsIeIfPkz8lmcABgLvEpr7h4mogc_owF7Mp2cYjLu8opMRa5e55cvd Bs64iqQdaJLjfYD.hty67tGWux1JXSb09kDGaQpzdG_0hmNyloLDvDx1cELE ShJkD_EwBpfZe6IQ.l7ConEXOIxoyHmhANCaLYaHmA_1Dqu9n0K17zWe17Mq QovDS.YFmuXXDjMioFBASr7s7s2XFlJSyhKVvxSmmzlq1RDw7hKMyw8bETPg fMxWSti3Nmu93aosJ669v2P4ctCjtR0SC9Fh6nAvYiBo2sENlANvuE7XTFmK kjznfcfxub.Nkn9JFalqYZlxUt4T4Ng5dkSQMT5LezSSvyv958pAUjYYKZoX _ZO_I8kgoeXMXrNQG7m.v_jsG6sUT4Q2EJJrFeQ5VcxX1a6luGClsVUClt6q BKz89Gwrvw1zOW9k03fewHfGvir2atOFoKY51HFnNS04tFLkZ5oq0njnwaOr 8lzRcdViR4lFPuE8Z8MJy.iyI Received: from [63.142.116.98] by web160301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:33:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1335735201.10966.YahooMailClassic@web160301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:33:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Somebody To: Carmods@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Beamclub Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dual Filament Running /Stoplight X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: acchd73@yahoo.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net John Logan, I would like a copy- I dont thing the TE/AE newsletter, internet type, goes back that far. Im pretty sure I know exactly what wires need to go where but they prolly have a better method for splicing then together than I will. Ive waited this long so a few more days/weks cant hurt. How about Brown County Cobra/Tiger get together- Anyone besides myself and Dave Johnsons son bringing a Tiger- we should win trophies if not. I have a Cobra and a Shelby intake Im thinking about seeing if they have a parts place like at Tiger Uniteds BUT I have no idea the value or even remember what I paid- I wasnt sure I had real ones until the last time I was able to inspect the Mustangs and they are exact. Anyone have a number they would reccomend, I have to start selling parts for a new engine but Duke has me convnced I will end up dead if I duplicate his build. Wanting to make a run to Kansaa to visit a friend and ride in Dukes Tiger. They have a nice drag strip there dont they Duke? I cant believe there was a wide ratio for the asking either. How do we get in line Duke ?? LOL I think you need it more than me, so I hope you find one as well. Lastly, I had requested the measurements for cutting holes in the tunnel to add fluid and or drain same on a AMC T5 conversion. Info was lost if the ppl who replied wouldnt mind doing so again. My carpet is glued down, I hate taking it up but if I cant use the NAPA pump, I have no ther choice- remove the drive shaft and hold car in air with a crane or a real Cherry Picker- not an engine hoist. Thanks to everyone who helps with these problems of late. Cheers, TtT --- On Sun, 4/29/12, Carmods@aol.com wrot _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 29 15:49:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4CA2D07BE for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:49:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EA52D07B3 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:42:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3xdF1j0030QuhwU5CxjNJE; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:43:22 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([71.233.107.30]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3xjM1j00E0fNubr3NxjNx4; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:43:22 +0000 Message-ID: <1A320DEECA4C4765ACD8735C3B060884@sbrennanPC> From: "Stu Brennan" To: , "Beamclub" References: <1335732763.24275.YahooMailClassic@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1335732763.24275.YahooMailClassic@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:43:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Orginal 4 speed gear lube X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Along these lines, where do you get plain old 90 wt gear oil without any fancy GL5 additives these days? I put some 80W90 in mine, and it feels more like there's WD40 in there, compared to the older 90 wt stuff. Plus it's GL5. If anyone knows of a dealer in eastern Mass or RI, even better. Also, what's good for the stock diff? Does it mind GL5? Others may be interested in synthetics, but I'll stick with regular old dino oil, thanks. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 29 15:49:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14362D07DC for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:49:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1582D07B3 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3xeA1j00216AWCUAExjdbS; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:43:37 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.112]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3xjb1j00W2R7Hzg8Sxjb3k; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:43:36 +0000 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:43:35 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: acchd73@yahoo.com Message-ID: <1950928762.2110242.1335735815669.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1335732763.24275.YahooMailClassic@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [24.15.170.224] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Beamclub Subject: Re: [Tigers] Orginal 4 speed gear lube X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tony, the "reply to all" e-mail option rejected the address directly to you. It looks like the List system has a different e-mail address, one with two "c's" in it ? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: "Beamclub" Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 3:52:43 PM Subject: [Tigers] Orginal 4 speed gear lube A more recent owner ask me about what kube he should use in his Mk1 and I found a shop mannual and read him what they reccomended BUT Im sure I recall a discussion abiut what is in certain lubes, the use of synthetics etc. I told him I would ask the List and see what most are now running. I have to get the synthetic gear lube out of the 5 speed and get synthetic ATF this week- hoping a new pump from NAPA will work after removing the shifter, adding ATF and maybe changing it again- depending on how much I can remove. I lost the measurement for holes when my yahoo account was stolen- had a ton of important Tiger info in folders- not sure if it was the theif or yahoo that did away with them. Makes a person want to keep them in two places- just in case. Thanks in advance for helping Damian, he is getting hooked fast. Have to love new Tiger owners! TtT in southern Il. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 29 16:22:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6067D2D07B3 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 16:22:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453822D07AD for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 16:21:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3TMLgQY010631 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:21:42 -0400 Received: from core-djb004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-djb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.69.77]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 45B13E000085 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:21:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: Phoenix 34950 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <541CD792-50DD-44A3-B83B-9C0D7F6964C8@phoenix.aol.com> References: In-Reply-To: From: =?utf-8?Q?Tom=20Pappenhagen=20?= To: tigers@autox.team.net X-Originating-IP: [69.242.116.74] Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:21:42 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335738102; bh=zTO2qw/hyXLggNpoKafdu47cPey4/xibbiBO797IfKw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CMZJdna032t0UtF3t8EKt3GhnBD234nkAAIlcmqjytQwMz9Vhf+f+G81PcreI5yKV 3eIVcF8AqGhc/7/2QPcKGKQjeHoLbdEV03K7V0ECtGj5HW6uufxymP11O5s6KsMOBv /nzRlR4JV415JF0CXYcs+1HM44rRlIyZGVAebseE= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:373320576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33894f9dbef66b3c X-AOL-IP: 172.29.69.77 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?to_fill_or_not_to_fill?= X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net With the car at the shop for painting, I need to decide whether to fill the vertical seams at the front and back of the sills (rockers). I've seen pictures both ways, which suggest they shouldn't be filled, is this correct? I've already know that the body will not be completely stock, but I kind of like them unfilled. TIA. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 29 16:36:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0620A2D07C3 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 16:36:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EED2D03A3 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 16:36:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so604265wgb.20 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:36:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=yRtpo8tNPmE8ccApsidJgCnpr3bqPkmNvytIMaOy+Ig=; b=uSO9m5GtQrN8S+tTv5D4XFJpT/Ia7mrhw35DRX7D0+4oA2ar8dj04mfBBu2BRZs1es b7hb7du65jClplIJdLPbCYv/Q01RHwzp5sPvWpLiXC+3zW0m76cwQlKr3WvBChAkgPuo PtIoaFRVqn724aZZm9EHyD7BcOgeMhaEOq/M+OqpXRpEUqzykz5WSAeu4bHbbJUdggpP 8pv65pL0zFpIgEfKwXobP6ylQ8e5cFuMsTFMw9mE5/21gDkao22z1ZGpoxafkNcJld4a pimL7OqwrwjNVzpTOXlebGiFM+h1lQ1f7o10bjErm3rKzkG0BbRDZuw0xt/LQ0Y6r/jc 54pg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.88.199 with SMTP id bi7mr2577340wib.12.1335739002433; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.25.84 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:36:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <541CD792-50DD-44A3-B83B-9C0D7F6964C8@phoenix.aol.com> References: <541CD792-50DD-44A3-B83B-9C0D7F6964C8@phoenix.aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:36:42 +1000 Message-ID: From: michael king To: Tom Pappenhagen Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] to fill or not to fill X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The MKI Tigers with round corner doors and bonnet have the seams on the front and rear scuttle filled and the rear seam on the sill filled. The front sill joint at the leading edge of the door is not filled. On the MKIA and MKII the front scuttle is not filled and neither are the sill joints, the rear scuttle is still filled. As for is you should.. well all SI-3 Alpines had all the joints filled, i think they stopped filling joints on the square cornered cars as the lines align to the panels, where as on the round corner cars they would look odd.. some say cost cutting, i think it also has to do with the change in panel edge... either way.. do it correct if you want.. or as you like if you feel like it! -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 29 16:39:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6682D07D7 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 16:39:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00492D07B1 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 16:39:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3TMcrjq011747; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:39:49 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b3a6) id sj1-dm103.4f90dc95.2ab259; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:39:47 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PncMzPl0dbQIAAAAC,6be0ec19fb9100a29f7618da54e228e3 X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.179.166 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Tom Pappenhagen '" , Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:39:37 -0400 Message-ID: <360A366FFD2549B8A032FA10316FE80E@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <541CD792-50DD-44A3-B83B-9C0D7F6964C8@phoenix.aol.com> Thread-Index: Ac0mVoof42AOvVeURZiOeSINYaQK8QAAh4Dg X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-29_07:2012-04-29,2012-04-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1204290316 Subject: Re: [Tigers] to fill or not to fill X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tom Generally Tigers with round cornered doors have the seam filled, Tigers with square cornered doors are unfilled. Above all, it's your Tiger do it the way that makes you happy. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Pappenhagen Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:22 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] to fill or not to fill With the car at the shop for painting, I need to decide whether to fill the vertical seams at the front and back of the sills (rockers). I've seen pictures both ways, which suggest they shouldn't be filled, is this correct? I've already know that the body will not be completely stock, but I kind of like them unfilled. TIA. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4966 - Release Date: 04/29/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 29 20:02:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F162D09EF for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:02:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585482D06D2 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by werj55 with SMTP id j55so2197914wer.14 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:24:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5gLE0VD55dhLgjArrC4BMbZoPSuUB3EyjKi0Gzf+f80=; b=LDFNMgN1mPYfPfaLUWpvNShZY0FZvQNpD1a6TtwTKoTr9elJDL31YDBGPub/9Ja/IQ cZ9gZt6l++gBtPaNllLl9vqDBiq205PpDc5+SF8TqNEZEDiRtA76D38IRaol9YWsZEMo G1TEF4qyPJ0UoB3OQ+rTKSZY4tuIW0YiV4al2+f7TeKQxVFL/AKVvUwB1VEbt6wqYYsd 3rWwSBXx5Lf0XIa8h0OZEksVJx0d5xVfgpr3K2/TVzDG75dvQXcP5qWZImDM/HZo4EMm 3HIiUrFvnj1XD5DqluxTnRS0QcvQ32P/QbpnK9pICoI9vMXIZYtWNvmnGNuCIJFbM1cH usPA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.101.8 with SMTP id fc8mr7864478wib.12.1335749065952; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.25.84 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:24:25 +1000 Message-ID: From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] 2012 British and European classic car show X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, Some pictures from the 2012 British and european car show help at flemington racecourse in melbourne, nice weather given we are into autumn, and a great turnout of cars... pictures for your viewing pleasure: http://community.webshots.com/album/582722178WNIFIw -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 29 20:40:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679182C0B1C for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:40:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4342D0228 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:40:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iajr24 with SMTP id r24so5255116iaj.14 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:41:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :in-reply-to:x-mimeole; bh=csL7EMzC855KXNoZ9gEsls/KRATk/DgKKm7KSmcx7Wk=; b=SW8OtKVpOHWymg69aHGZBboshDSPwsy63WGTTg2ri/ATEJ0J5vgsUfvGLunO7xY6OL IzvMu+P4bkrz48mwh0AWKuR0my6+ImAK15ys4BSfXwopIW2ddp9/gRMou6hrxC5AVYry IHBL6/ni5Mp/2IWFsU1VG3b+l7S1HzQU0B6dojDmPxKH0YeMpylKT4gF2iE25J5BYp0i QE9Wwu6zCPy3672puS/oWdCT0k4o4Ukk0RsllCwNbaqVW3vl3M34vel9chrVVlCrZs4i gybQDncUZAEFKM/IriJbHQ+f3UiTLur6gQgmOUkejHyNZISShXELOOMwGzIupXTq7s0C I/0w== Received: by 10.50.85.232 with SMTP id k8mr8906120igz.16.1335750077384; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from delld630 (adsl-76-241-107-141.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net. [76.241.107.141]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gf4sm12746756igb.14.2012.04.29.18.41.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:41:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark Rense" To: References: <1335732763.24275.YahooMailClassic@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <558923407.2109883.1335735166055.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:41:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0mT8v5Xcpe+Z6gSFGC2Ht+sVEnjwAITeEg In-Reply-To: <558923407.2109883.1335735166055.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original 4 speed gear lube X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have been a long time user of Redline oils, including their gear oils. It's good stuff, and holds up. Here is a link to the oil they developed for the older transmissions, it works great in Toploaders. It is not cheap, but works a lot better than the crap sold in most auto parts stores. Buy it from Summit Racing. http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=47&pcid=7 http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RED-58304/ Bugz _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 29 21:44:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE3E2D0A92 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:44:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC282D02EF for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:56:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BucksLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.233.173]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3900D9CUUCCIG0@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:56:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Mark Rense" , References: <1335732763.24275.YahooMailClassic@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <558923407.2109883.1335735166055.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-reply-to: Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:56:33 -0700 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120429-1, 04/29/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original 4 speed gear lube X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have had great luck with this Redline product. We've used it exclusively in both the tranny and rear end on our race Tiger. Same tranny & rear end for 9 seasons & both are still going strong. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rense" To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original 4 speed gear lube >I have been a long time user of Redline oils, including their gear oils. > It's good stuff, and holds up. Here is a link to the oil they developed > for > the older transmissions, it works great in Toploaders. It is not cheap, > but > works a lot better than the crap sold in most auto parts stores. Buy it > from > Summit Racing. > > http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=47&pcid=7 > > http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RED-58304/ > > > Bugz > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 30 12:24:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE302D093B for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:24:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BF2E2D08CE for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:39:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.197] by nm16.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2012 17:39:32 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.221] by tm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2012 17:39:32 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.122] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2012 17:39:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2012 17:39:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 190907.65269.bm@omp1027.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 55803 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2012 17:39:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1335807571; bh=cB3qqEFbvFIjM6uLZZ4WcaInX2u32Gpvc+eCgjdmG68=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sG/axcY5uf527Qd9I/Ol3o4ks9H/bKUYrJ7iFcxmwzd2tVIFjx+WJ0q7dlFBTWv5nCAA0/RdWd9s89H0l4JhFumOVD5T+EVyv/H0b3FVp8k0Iqpz8CjFOItJJN54qrwsaQXZuq6WPutj5Dj4TGwm6UOv5cIVQZbLKGF++8336AA= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bpkZhneF84ToARgiMbuMmiLR0N1Vp8wldcgKCdzFrPI9z+UnBvMr/68QpJvcqfhcoApdtqEa8rgxqvoJSAKJyw+WQeuWTYaoaC9Qd8MbkYazYSxBDZjs0WzwtAcgu4Ys7Zfc4JLtxWmf7ZErNWJP4qHChZwIhnahByIwT/QkZRU=; X-YMail-OSG: rHAO3JEVM1kx_nPvy9bWytFiieQg63wO8bmD.dlE_n0jA40 dxDrGxeABNNB8.KfkLuHukqVmt5C0yze4Irmnrg.QyBXTuLbX_vbPetFnPWb akiMpEuH8ezLAOMgTXArtHHjpnMocsVtz37cmlxQgsTh5P_.mNzgW0l0sf89 kVY_LcSerzXtCRIqUq1ETM0Mh249NfYahHPuP5esmjj6ieyVXOgcQdT_EPgT ToalHiRCB7612YyaDKUzIyL4csgh3HWEDcy1N00QnEousWPW6qlsKmFGtgkJ efsET3VtzvUFNXiBy2qh7QjcZnxkO2xC.JYVdcsiNFNZY1PRPPBo7_rwNX3y YGxTcCEXMxs5.vKvk3uNHdWWXKFqau3BwGC_FIqi.LhqWS89BLf2RALrqW2W x2U0uSgVBWci9u0KpnbLPv0DtVZrBfjbhKEtQsFErzG462KxBuSTPSUfK4yC gmAlg1LMBH8BCGmZ2B.T4HgsZIzLEh5lL Received: from [70.248.74.150] by web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:39:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1335807571.1831.YahooMailClassic@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:39:31 -0700 (PDT) From: david gilmore To: tigers@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Stripes needed X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi All. Anyone out there have a scrap 14 1/2 inches long of the stripe kit that Dale's Restoration sells for the 67 MKII? this is a red car so white strip with two small black ones. The kit offers very little extra and we had a screw up. Dale will sell a whole kit only ($150). If nobody has a piece, any other MKII owners who are planning on doing the original side stripe want to go in on an extra set? Just about guarantee you will need additional material! Thank you, Dave Gilmore Leawood, Ks Cell 913-488-1459 Home 913-381-1459 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 30 12:54:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789C52D08C0 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:54:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.190]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 74D962D08C3 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:57:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.64] by nm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2012 17:58:12 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.74] by tm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2012 17:58:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2012 17:58:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 506221.55097.bm@omp1011.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 19074 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2012 17:58:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1335808692; bh=dqHFGCy4Jd9WshJ0V83hzGFDdXDksBjdcXgLMGSclAc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sHEEhXjqzWoGL0fwEnTJDClWJqkt+8AbnrP7oTd5IAnswd9eFAjwe3qzj0QSpQ77FID/TfrsbHMeBSATlUpul5welJ8+TIlEwIMGmpjktRejqIzouQM7UXZRR7T2I2zNeiAcHMqpqyrNugvWoK7Aism4s9wGQmgnsSGNIZm9rNU= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sgLXdFhPe0HmRLRVWnW5DvQQ66yDgF/NOhoKW+/QW7kRYvHbv6NRALVvBKlALevS7B+s6rKBft9XMimmmh8SEu+EYm+qxT+86zxapJxvYvg44U+OzLL0z4BTTOw6gaaGzAk34xPPvDeX1g0jKRjcTSfGOlGiRfDdugNSaW0jk3U=; X-YMail-OSG: vhYxXoIVM1k74m2UtYCrfCi2.sljFh_FZ9WSONDqVZDnP34 tvGUbrpxQRBd9bFyP9KuWZzaBYK24V_fvIPsR6CFjegCm12durfjhiZGS6wx A1B9CMk2uRz0biMgq7vvm3DPanmigqtOvuJ3LDTfGElwCJT9fm1B1qH2gjWI 20E8U4NkyoavH25MjqrK9qouwmFtn7Cw5ZIhX2YaN7le266Ief0LVYUf1J3V xUl27qbMVmM9j4oftylfB5VcAhAYqRLhVWly2mfkeEWHjYoN81Dt9uVjqSIu VYRmLzz1W_xZRykNy73E6w_cCarWQRgh9AUShGTrBErYSBG8HoiW2dnitNEj R16_t1Upvg_OSrPQ7twzsDFUiRY6su15pPjskA.9u5fbcIoDPvc_JAdfFwSd wWvzT98hhZPQg_hnJHvFSk_cPevWMHaMsDUW6vtvxaA0xAnntrcUSTlmuiZq lwzKtkyRXk.M5RzqTrBYnLdmXd4LR4P5l Received: from [70.248.74.150] by web181015.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:58:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1335808692.16224.YahooMailClassic@web181015.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:58:12 -0700 (PDT) From: david gilmore To: tigers@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] need MKII stripe scrap X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi All. Anyone out there have a scrap 14 1/2 inches long of the stripe kit that Dale's Restoration sells for the 67 MKII? this is a red car so white strip with two small black ones. The kit offers very little extra and we had a screw up. Dale will sell a whole kit only ($150). If nobody has a piece, any other MKII owners who are planning on doing the original side stripe want to go in on an extra set? Just about guarantee you will need additional material! Thank you, Dave Gilmore Leawood, Ks Cell 913-488-1459 Home 913-381-1459 Thank you, Dave Gilmore Cell 913-488-1459 Home 913-381-1459 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 30 13:41:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0502D08C5 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:41:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12912D04C7 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:53:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3UIs8xx024870; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:54:08 -0400 Received: from core-mfe002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfe002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.120.138]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1DABCE0002E6; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:54:08 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Message-ID: <2426d.a126308.3cd039cf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:54:08 -0400 (EDT) To: dave.gilmore@sbcglobal.net, tigers@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5004 X-Originating-IP: [108.219.214.38] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335812048; bh=//NbknXOFcJkjlgrl//1vU7HtApKoNLaQIS18F2XKWQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ocStPngy5W883P14tjRBukLGzMKWGiNLVFkXgc7cFy4afpFB5fjCyj676CN47+0tB C/K9p+8/W62oCf5zC9HvlASeJW2mBQN9OXAZVnnswVzWMqBAsebg3dD4BD4r4Dw0hh w/upf+GJQNicHqN+o+z41UUgJH5rAi034kHqYHBo= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:396890688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca4f9edfd055bf X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Stripes needed X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Find someone in your area that does graphics. Have them repro what you need. Then you can start selling "KITS" In a message dated 4/30/2012 11:25:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dave.gilmore@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi All. Anyone out there have a scrap 14 1/2 inches long of the stripe kit that Dale's Restoration sells for the 67 MKII? this is a red car so white strip with two small black ones. The kit offers very little extra and we had a screw up. Dale will sell a whole kit only ($150). If nobody has a piece, any other MKII owners who are planning on doing the original side stripe want to go in on an extra set? Just about guarantee you will need additional material! Thank you, Dave Gilmore Leawood, Ks Cell 913-488-1459 Home 913-381-1459 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 30 15:25:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958132D08B0 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:25:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8612C0D43 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3UKV1an008409 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:31:01 -0400 Received: from core-dqc001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.161.129]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2FC08E00017C for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:31:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Message-ID: <283b7.7bae6b7b.3cd05084@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:31:01 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.7 sub 19 X-Originating-IP: [74.104.194.16] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335817861; bh=jGah7eA4/aTxRuB1J2UO35Fgp7RNkQNeDd7tzVUDqsY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wprR0BWfeYuEIFUUWoaMIE/QyzZOKR8rwO97d+Zn+KDdw5neoENPUySEFFZW4HB0W OljkF3pyXWPyWuTF077PBv3b2Q6Kmra4tJFdZVDyDOhjyYoVAGyKK6Sh5d+mfXDuDk L/RdniGtQZk7A2ise8QLgIFonK0IipNZWFyr73mg= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:397425408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc4f9ef685096d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 147 X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, Like to try the Redline in my tranny (stock) How much is in there? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 30 16:37:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF742D0843 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:37:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 418562D02DD for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:53:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2012 21:53:59 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.228] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2012 21:53:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1037.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2012 21:53:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 837144.29931.bm@omp1037.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 55657 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2012 21:53:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335822839; bh=3Q0Q18XQv+FE/6Wq9R1icmWXITRA+c0GBn8kA6BQ4Hg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g0gBjtwr0mkFw7kKkxkK8IC+MqTO/yBwHgMsgzRYiLxWcdr2p4jdMK88PpfrdYpfw/ReMp30BmRIcBEcxpZRSXIwDe2Qy/EosuXJLsj6ZBLFzyirzdFYJGG35umjVjPuxVb71No+U1KozWK6uTKbfQcpGupPX3I00dOsZrltcmU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PnrXsJCIOloEp83udNMo3scV/iNPmMmpbC9e7Lu1lTtADbu0W23T2g6njQOMEGpJ4dmUTdqLcuXForwjQMLmQMZhOXl9QTLMrP6M3ATFjbMW+LwLf3A3OfXMXA+p7puWNX5vu/ij6gBHT6ImjEocxZjA+dZ8xyaDfr6BjVYxZVM=; X-YMail-OSG: 0frZEL4VM1mmdc381UFhPz.5vXuxCzg0BTDyiD1Oqhdzgsi CQA.2b9EwLvsojzrXQ3U19CKT5C5JKPyykj3aby_QnhCVSm7g_zTSQlM2PQ1 p3GULZLUYMNuV_YN8XPLnx9mYml01.qM.mmLWc6SHBcrt35Z3.gmzXyVDCw3 ngwWlfZvGh3yh44QJlI1HngVKyXg6ciBGsCZE4DuBbWT0LYM41j5UAC6Ezb. kLZeJX2CeyLKq2OPR9v_WLr2mWV5FPWZvDcq7MuiPEuRO46eUfWQxY139Zlo U3W6mGR6AvVrj3.1rf_zD16tdPTHxAZZc5bDiTib3jTTQLtxvr66oLtkmhs. 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TtT --- On Mon, 4/30/12, Rollright@aol.com wrote: From: Rollright@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 147 To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, April 30, 2012, 3:31 PM Hello, Like to try the Redline in my tranny (stock) How much is in there? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 30 16:38:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D677B2D098E for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:38:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C2352D03A2 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.61] by nm21.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2012 21:57:22 -0000 Received: from [68.142.194.243] by tm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2012 21:56:22 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.119] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2012 21:56:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2012 21:56:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 896425.78144.bm@omp1024.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 97035 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2012 21:56:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1335822981; bh=Tbl4R2KOQ79SsZFrXbuzYY8RdWuecSwWp62orEBQQPs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0bWDtpVoUD7TD4nmZOoh9neIOmIZ1dOb2klTgGLPyqObTFHUnuIySek19lCr48og4Eul0Yhk3iYoPE94sqYnM09dzPjsZ161n+wpM18fA4Jz1ZbtVae3MUIY7P8WA0llt98+a7Ee6bd/pDROFj2wnkISfl6oevnO6UXtio5lH2o= s=s1024; d=bellsouth.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ito3PClYZFHfLfgskMduI8lS6DHO57iKQepObvwASfjdgVk7mAZ1zMwiWytQkZjXcg1W4NnxMvyrGfcT7toINzH5RPGbzO+8mXK9YZjSX9G3UHIRASZMfHE8Md+w+lCmgrBG3ofCQgerR3TwKG0VHLxEoFiq6sziAlsCX/meMX8=; X-YMail-OSG: EVYYk3UVM1nHm8SEnB3CYhgdnDbuVi4_fAFzkc2AQvBk8_j roUXQDKPUU5GCk0Y.CUJOblHh5H6yytqhzCTnMPYEeJ_0lLVopQNsA0BdfHd 5bKGe63IXOxMcSnfJVw8cO_cOIbq3JPam_XFtWZs3PofJS4yZh7U8FfZXWJO UGqtASGgZwIHf4eCGz4UjlUfxG6WSSA49RdkRRSCcHD2968m_8sVSA9iRUzY uj9VCkzKWib2OgWlsQ0dYGXlpkvKf69iESIxJmT5AxbbsecoyKLfBFFr2hWx 6vtKf1wsQvuJ4anSJOt9ZGOiHnMSGw66FGSn2aMwvukwZ67XpglmHMp7nvAk kMzNMjCAiCMugtUnBUrK2fL6SB1QpM4aHon7iitnMZvbkzKAwvkdHsiIQT6j RkNeso3frIeQYCh_Ra9LV9g-- Received: from [74.235.90.185] by web181105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:56:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1335822981.91177.YahooMailClassic@web181105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:56:21 -0700 (PDT) From: coopdvm To: tigers@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] gear oil X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Being as anal-retentive as I am, I noticed the link provided earlier to the Redline oils GL-5 product says great for Toploaders, but does NOT specifically state that it is protective of the brass syncros like their GL-4 product states. I assume the Toploader has brass in the syncros, no? A couple of questions: 1. My toploader upshifts perfectly, but downshifting not so well. I suspect the syncros are worn, but if I wanted to try a different fluid, which of these Redline products would be best for balky syncros? (Currently running GL-4 product from NAPA) 2. The product you guys recommend for the tranny okay for the diff as well? Thanks! Bill _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 30 16:39:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7F72D0975 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:39:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D52FE2D0757 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:03:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2012 22:04:15 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.220] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2012 22:04:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2012 22:04:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 342880.16654.bm@omp1029.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 2785 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2012 22:04:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335823455; bh=0vdymwE6r5eTBvyfctzffNqwKyamAPiRXhKOngWDCco=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0FxoMW2XFWwp3c5awhRozbY4gJ7MjDJh565plmxopboihoMADf7A8ijH7PBqz/ahQN5gnIGk+Kiev22GFGdAh0ZOYbuvS/uWCthVRJYkVHYCkaDloWRsIYDKRU3G4ffTLZg4xkJCYvdfKZet1u1oZQxT/6tqbDAiGE1qEAyoqQo= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fmaF7DlFFaJOXSoTVhoYufeYuqjYkKlrOQDMFO2PDTR01uJ+rrU8zORL8ZadCRy18lIvMm0xyHhYzPd0/E/Ooxk/0zplQ/JHIfB10whf9UB3GL2hEp0cqPV2HoQ7ukRanGcQhmBWVoHebv0mnAsKbhbj7QGPEHHjyAi8sfN9DHc=; X-YMail-OSG: NufChFMVM1nQRoT_DQ_xKWU4DIbQCM0lBl_imQ4rf75dIjT 9z.01AQAa8x7qoxw3bCWQE8miIl9KmbMHydVgt2thM5RUgt4dpCYCxapplKS CFcpRUpfWy2pIUOO8Z7y2zBWUu0rryhzqd6N27td4rDBEf7LXiZuZn_QAMT4 LS8SJ8RfKgm7E_uCXbWJ56H6.0XuEY8FtERW0xAxmnetHugmKMCkLc2aFn3e B5aW0pp.ObskV4I9xENKQqvwAOOM9kx2kQOquvEumq_dYWCKgtH3CB3UwY3n xfn7tQ8ZleTLEtF0AwGblGOb_MmfZYxrk3tb_CfuMav3mWrrSOIoa7HscYIi hmzldirOWTMVUegB05pXprIDNNmQRR4TYnPtfHFVV6NDra5L89zta4lmej1k .oExYF.w0XxKY7bET17Vlzo7PyCTn1kLg4.ChbD0ku5G3WNc.5hVzBpIrb6r FGhjJcuMs Received: from [63.142.116.98] by web160305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:04:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1335823454.94847.YahooMailClassic@web160305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:04:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] test X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: acchd73@yahoo.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net this is a test only! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 30 18:14:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517122D0B1B for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:14:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA812D0747 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3UNmr2w002654; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:49:08 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0225 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b267) id dm0225.4f90dc52.2e4258; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:46:07 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PnyQ/caM4HAIAAAAD,79a9633c3f1e8d46c97ff20404da9872 X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.178.103 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:45:56 -0400 Message-ID: <2DCC95ABAF394D0DB6A4D78D54526AAC@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 thread-index: Ac0nIdvhimvNUo8MSBKKlWZqItT+XgACQ9sg In-Reply-To: <1335822839.54037.YahooMailClassic@web160302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-30_05:2012-04-30,2012-04-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1204300299 Cc: 'Beamclub' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 147 X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tony You have to be careful when reading the shop manual. Yes it states 3-1/4 pints, then it states 4 US pints. The English are coming, the English are coming. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:54 PM To: Rollright@aol.com Cc: Beamclub Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 147 3-1/4 pints according to the shop mannual. TtT --- On Mon, 4/30/12, Rollright@aol.com wrote: From: Rollright@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 147 To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, April 30, 2012, 3:31 PM Hello, Like to try the Redline in my tranny (stock) How much is in there? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4969 - Release Date: 04/30/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 30 19:17:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC142D090D for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:17:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 979FB2D0445 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:24:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2012 00:24:37 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.233] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2012 00:24:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1042.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2012 00:24:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 531027.24833.bm@omp1042.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 99904 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2012 00:24:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335831877; bh=0fwjJkUcShZU8lk5rLMyZUWfwKNrAw9j1YcSKSpaWj4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=r5re94u6b8Av3m/SR/LL3W3QW1z+OsqKVKMDUMXd2Br9PKcLSx25DyJGWc/zy9pGWnVeJiMSUGRmwFtgVROYt99K4EsQ1lc84g4oyJrnTjd3u6aDho8bRDeaK/KrRypauOOZxtuFwWMg4IR+2u0pde5MFVPYp3687OqVeGOHcps= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fT1p8zMwETgKWDJ1VEsAQHDVVdZ7pg90E15O1mozPUpdhFEDIGeeu3EjmcVQDoSolAPspTWV/hfJkB8WMPEH9KwmGvsyOrbum5AGW2UmtNiBgWMKbnO2xTqlMzNXt9AqQO2qI6Du0Mi0aX5oodGvX6ebnmOIhA251Ky54GSeZhE=; X-YMail-OSG: AAHIdB8VM1mEvASiEhPtwOZy8l2qaMEoR26SROYtUWIkncT pq93Xfw3OEeTjf83DWIU0v1gxDaGAUiqN5Ko5_2UGe1L6.Z0MUsVzMCpAATe EINunGqrVn5vL4lln.4_iap5bQNQvixetyVwa5wqkw956qFN16POnfO1Jzka TC5H.vraBEFzOxTLWhFfZHiDMFD_b0a0G5FSChfA.pHA.EKUBYSmKkiJeyBo bq.tNmV.QtjTLPROkx5_Oe4c8B7vzakpmKV4Ql1x8EeFyjtZlTDn3n5Ke2H. 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The shop mannial does say 3-1/4 pints BUT beside of those numbers it also says 4 US pints. My apologises to Jim and the List for not reading far enough and THANKS to Gene for catching my mistake. Cheers, TtT --- On Mon, 4/30/12, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 147 To: Rollright@aol.com Cc: "Beamclub" Date: Monday, April 30, 2012, 4:53 PM 3-1/4 pints according to the shop mannual. TtT --- On Mon, 4/30/12, Rollright@aol.com wrote: From: Rollright@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 147 To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, April 30, 2012, 3:31 PM Hello, Like to try the Redline in my tranny (stock) How much is in there? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 30 19:47:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AAC32D0852 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:47:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com [159.54.39.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B002D03DD for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:51:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXHC02.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.20.1.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3957345E3F; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::d1ee:ba6b:7083:d0d]) by ENT-MOCEXHC02.us.ad.gannett.com ([172.20.1.48]) with mapi; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:51:31 -0400 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: david gilmore , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:51:30 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tiger Stripes needed Thread-Index: Ac0m/j028rJe/j/mS3+MtaBnDnJfRwANfKqA Message-ID: References: <1335807571.1831.YahooMailClassic@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1335807571.1831.YahooMailClassic@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Stripes needed X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Try Phoenix Graphics. They have a large archive of automotive decals and may be willing/able to produce a portion. They were willing to make the "Shelby" portion of a mid 80's Shelby/Dodge Charger when we restored it for land speed racing. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of david gilmore Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 10:40 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Stripes needed Hi All. Anyone out there have a scrap 14 1/2 inches long of the stripe kit that Dale's Restoration sells for the 67 MKII? this is a red car so white strip with two small black ones. The kit offers very little extra and we had a screw up. Dale will sell a whole kit only ($150). If nobody has a piece, any other MKII owners who are planning on doing the original side stripe want to go in on an extra set? Just about guarantee you will need additional material! Thank you, Dave Gilmore Leawood, Ks Cell 913-488-1459 Home 913-381-1459 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 30 19:55:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8166F2D098B for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:55:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vx0-f169.google.com (mail-vx0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDDC2D082F for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:12:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vcbfy7 with SMTP id fy7so3387240vcb.14 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:12:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=NfL9MSyMgh99bRQ56+/dw9AN6t35UfDV7AXqRihu+8U=; b=DCnxF0ZyCjCPvzlbq2WzrNe/YNgY6IUC6xDg5NMg5z5PsSAlb9+nw4XBQXDJhF/F/R tay5W8f3Ia1nO2T5ekYRpHsI4LbZueeHTjINYR3V2Zd6pEODBsU3MZygxQRa1JIgP+5C JzJNk1drgukRECb8pfpKDMSFqLbGmaIgVO0zzGL+VCip6R8wLo5IUBnWtu/w0u66EZEo W1HY8b35nQt24d1MiqXFtMVZNoUAbZ1HgrCmGqd7ZqAKaVE6rQ8BY6wlplmp17b1UvvM MbvdmpPJgwQHBdVA3g8l3NSmHES8ZRK9I7VrqyIzeQW77qR8VK06YTyyB3keQWVDC1ZD Ea0A== Received: by 10.220.91.74 with SMTP id l10mr12757679vcm.41.1335834767161; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.5.106] (cpe-69-203-25-79.nyc.res.rr.com. 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Fluid ounces is my pet hate - it's just plain incorrect. It's a measure of volume yet it's using a unit of weight (not even mass!) of, I can only guess, water at sea level? Cup.... (is there such thing as a standard cup?). And It's the same unit used for liquid and powder (eg flour)!!!! Please! Arrrgggh. Let's stick to litres and kilos please! Rant over :) On Apr 30, 2012, at 7:45 PM, " Ron Fraser" wrote: > Tony > You have to be careful when reading the shop manual. > Yes it states 3-1/4 pints, then it states 4 US pints. > > The English are coming, the English are coming. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Tony Somebody > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:54 PM > To: Rollright@aol.com > Cc: Beamclub > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 147 > > > 3-1/4 pints according to the shop mannual. > TtT > > --- On Mon, 4/30/12, Rollright@aol.com wrote: > > > From: Rollright@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 147 > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Monday, April 30, 2012, 3:31 PM > > > Hello, > > Like to try the Redline in my tranny (stock) > > How much is in there? > > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4969 - Release Date: 04/30/12 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 30 19:58:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCEA2D09D3 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:58:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2022D0937 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:18:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q411J3oS006250; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:19:03 -0400 Received: from core-msa001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.65]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5D483E000082; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:19:03 -0400 (EDT) References: <1335732763.24275.YahooMailClassic@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><558923407.2109883.1335735166055.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> To: BuckTrippel@Verizon.net, mark44124@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: phastphill@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36032-STANDARD Received: from 184.151.61.42 by webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com (64.12.183.157) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:19:02 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEF54F8739CC94-132C-5FCC@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [184.151.61.42] Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:19:03 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335835143; bh=aqY7XymoqRSRrvklN4zgW3+7Atoq1oDgDDWfSHruy2Q=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZFQpj93BOLR1Xix0SDptQo2QRmFcwzQw8d1Kgu0qIizXNtGfxTSfZk1F/0FsYfnAc 7Zjwb0msTH5igV8gKGXPbQZiGOX1dqYlIdsjc2Ngx9xGgcT8cYqud2iabn/1bfwrQg AF2slty57TGK+VzuPxci+Jv7mLvKCYs4+S8+c1DM= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:471974944:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29494f9f3a071d37 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original 4 speed gear lube X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Amen -----Original Message----- From: Buck Trippel To: Mark Rense ; tigers Sent: Sun, Apr 29, 2012 11:46 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original 4 speed gear lube I have had great luck with this Redline product. We've used it exclusively in both the tranny and rear end on our race Tiger. Same tranny & rear end for 9 seasons & both are still going strong. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rense" To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original 4 speed gear lube >I have been a long time user of Redline oils, including their gear oils. > It's good stuff, and holds up. Here is a link to the oil they developed > for > the older transmissions, it works great in Toploaders. It is not cheap, > but > works a lot better than the crap sold in most auto parts stores. Buy it > from > Summit Racing. > > http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=47&pcid=7 > > http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RED-58304/ > > > Bugz > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/phastphill@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net