From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 05:17:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFEB2D073F for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 05:17:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FA6D2D07DC for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 04:57:37 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1335869863; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=To:Date:Subject:Content-Type:From:Message-Id; b=IZks9L850joFTqCfzS+7g5ZRLFNyJGuCfV1FnXk6cdjPz7/PfgafYB9chfIK9sPXE cYg3HnLvle+A5f62nHAEy3K5625yVJt02TpV2pFvyvFhCbhP2C5+LN8KRxN/dOOXsS oKW3fAFzYFHiysUakBbtc28VJ5/odmJP+6zw0R6k= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (mailpop09.vgs.untd.com [10.181.45.29]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABH39SM2ADVGWXA for (sender ); Tue, 1 May 2012 03:56:56 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: srh++T2jIE70jl25Ym/o18rcWmA6IApVQ0RTbw8qtoM3ttWIBLH+tA== Received: (from spmdr@juno.com) by mailpop09.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id R7NPSB94; Tue, 01 May 2012 03:56:39 PDT To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 03:55:43 -0800 X-Mailer: Email Client 8.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: spmdr@juno.com Message-Id: <20120501.035639.1667.435021@mailpop09.vgs.untd.com> X-UNTD-BodySize: 938 X-ContentStamp: 7:3:2974639946 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.181.45.29|mailpop09.vgs.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|spmdr@juno.com Subject: [Tigers] Lubes X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Back last century, I had a friend involved with endurance road racing. In that endeavor, they had the chance to find out what DIDN'T work. One of the first problem areas was front wheel bearing grease. The heat of the brakes just killed the standard stuff in short order. It was the early days of synthetic. Mobile 1 synthetic wheel bearing grease was not easy to find, but it was the early answer to the problem. The grease still took a hell of a beating, but at least the bearings would last. ...seals had to fend for themselves... I have been using Mobile 1 synthetic grease and gear oil for the last 17 + years of vintage road racing. I can't say I have had a problem with the stuff. And, I'm sure the synthetic of your choice will likely work for you also. As far as amounts, I still can't find anyone who will sell me JUST 3 3/4 pints. AND, using a little extra to rust proof the shop floor is usually the case... DW ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f9fc17848fbcc36ac5st04vuc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 13:36:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458262D07D4 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:36:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5272C0CA1 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 12:54:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 56q51j00217dt5G536urEa; Wed, 02 May 2012 18:54:51 +0000 Received: from sz0112.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.172]) by omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 56ux1j02D3ixLoC3Z6uxVe; Wed, 02 May 2012 18:54:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 18:54:56 +0000 (UTC) From: George Re To: Tigers Message-ID: <12383144.2189316.1335984896876.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [129.33.1.37] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Metal Cover over top. X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Looking for some help again. My Tiger is almost complete and have come to a problem the metal side covers that cover the top are missing!!! my question is can I convert the metal covers to the later vinyl cover that covers the top?. Thanks Again George Re _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 17:23:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCA42D03FB for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 17:23:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA602D05CA for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 16:48:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5Acy1j00H27AodY51Ap1GJ; Wed, 02 May 2012 22:49:01 +0000 Received: from sz0112.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.172]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5Ap61j00G3ixLoC3fAp6p7; Wed, 02 May 2012 22:49:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:49:05 +0000 (UTC) From: George Re To: Tigers Message-ID: <703448533.2201846.1335998945701.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <12383144.2189316.1335984896876.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [98.229.185.209] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Mac)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Metal Cover over top. X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the INFO looks like I am going to stay with the metal covers Bob Dixon has a set for me. Thanks Again for the help. George Re ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Re" To: "Tigers" Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 2:54:56 PM Subject: [Tigers] Metal Cover over top. Looking for some help again. My Tiger is almost complete and have come to a problem the metal side covers that cover the top are missing!!! my question is can I convert the metal covers to the later vinyl cover that covers the top?. Thanks Again George Re _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mgman71@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 10:09:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC422D0D83 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 10:09:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C1892D0BC5 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 08:36:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 16245 invoked from network); 4 May 2012 14:37:17 -0000 Received: from airnode431.air-internet.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (12.110.38.178) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 4 May 2012 14:37:17 -0000 Message-ID: <4FA3E99D.4090607@mayfco.com> Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 07:37:17 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] ECTA Ohio Mile - Land Speed Racing with a Tiger X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: drmayf@mayfco.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The East Coast Timing Association lost it's grip on the airport taxiway it used at the Laurenburg/Maxton, North Carolina Airport and has moved to Wilmington, Ohio. This past weekend they ran their inaugural Land Speed Race there with 175 cars participating. One happened to be a Tiger! No, not mine but a nice looking example of the marque. Here is a link to a photo of it at speed. I think that there is a photo before and maybe after this on as well. I have no idea who wns or belongs with teh car as results will not be posted until the 5th or 6th of May on http://www.ecta-lsr.com . link to the photo: http://www.dwphotos.photoreflect.com/store/Orderpage.aspx?pi=0U1C004L010076&po=76&pc=712 lots of other neat cars at speed also. enjoy mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 12:34:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF1E2D0CF6 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 12:34:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9562D0CF2 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 10:34:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo209.cox.net ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120504163503.RDLS1165.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo209.cox.net>; Fri, 4 May 2012 12:35:03 -0400 Received: from JHP ([72.205.39.75]) by eastrmimpo209.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5sb21j0031dHVuG02sb2Vg; Fri, 04 May 2012 12:35:02 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4FA40536.00FB,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=LKDkrRjixwgtmuXwrIwnijc/8ro9lGx9B3c+ChRocFo= c=1 sm=1 a=ZMkNkZM3W2IA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=0Nm72dJp9Kgw8EhUP4ZIJg==:17 a=tZEcuQmEAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=FeKX3aEGAAAA:8 a=YN9xEN9vAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=Aft3VWogVLgjkoGxcxwA:9 a=es2STFOnERL85AgD7CcA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HYYt6-9VSD4A:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Hp4fFzKqTv8A:10 a=kSgYOiNLM6QA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=fhsdHeyJ7IUGmGHouAUpkHkRngc=:19 a=0Nm72dJp9Kgw8EhUP4ZIJg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-ID: <55ECBE8974AA4E03BEBA35E2BCC7D008@JHP> From: "James Lindner" To: , References: <4FA3E99D.4090607@mayfco.com> In-Reply-To: <4FA3E99D.4090607@mayfco.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:34:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ECTA Ohio Mile - Land Speed Racing with a Tiger X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net More info about this event from the owner on the TEAE forum. http://teae.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2346 Enjoy Jim Lindner -----Original Message----- From: Larry Mayfield Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 10:37 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] ECTA Ohio Mile - Land Speed Racing with a Tiger The East Coast Timing Association lost it's grip on the airport taxiway it used at the Laurenburg/Maxton, North Carolina Airport and has moved to Wilmington, Ohio. This past weekend they ran their inaugural Land Speed Race there with 175 cars participating. One happened to be a Tiger! No, not mine but a nice looking example of the marque. Here is a link to a photo of it at speed. I think that there is a photo before and maybe after this on as well. I have no idea who wns or belongs with teh car as results will not be posted until the 5th or 6th of May on http://www.ecta-lsr.com . link to the photo: http://www.dwphotos.photoreflect.com/store/Orderpage.aspx?pi=0U1C004L010076&po=76&pc=712 lots of other neat cars at speed also. enjoy mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 17:13:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E44E2D0E03 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 17:13:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from wavecable.net (mail2.wavecable.net [76.14.0.244]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5992D0CC0 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 15:27:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [76.14.96.71] (HELO mail.starstream.net) by wavecable.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 379852747; Fri, 04 May 2012 14:27:35 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 14:31:25 -0700 Message-Id: <201205041431.AA139919444@mail.starstream.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "DERRICK SCHMIDT" X-Sender: To: , "James Lindner" X-Mailer: Subject: Re: [Tigers] ECTA Ohio Mile - Land Speed Racing with a Tiger X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: glowboy@starstream.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Cool! Thanks for sharing! Derrick ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "James Lindner" Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:34:56 -0400 >More info about this event from the owner on the TEAE forum. > >http://teae.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2346 > >Enjoy > >Jim Lindner ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.starstream.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 10:01:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F112D0C24 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 10:01:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519632D09D1 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 09:11:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Sat, 05 May 2012 11:11:48 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 11:11:48 -0400 X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.8a, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <4fa54334.2586.0@thecia.net> X-User-Info: 96.237.177.118 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [Tigers] off topic - Pantera article X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rande@thecia.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I know we have at least two Tiger dudes with an additional Pantera habit. Mike Lamm, a very longtime automotive writer, has an running series of, and I paraphrase, Cars I've loved and hated, and two days ago the subject was his experiences with, I think, three Pantera's he's owned. Google Hemmings blog Pantera, and it should come up. I got a kick out of reading it. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 10:00:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6BF2D0A8A for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 10:00:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46682D0AA6 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 08:29:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q46ETT4I012070 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 07:30:08 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0219 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189670) id dm0219.4f90dc63.40bd1f for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 07:29:57 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PporlViQV8wIAAAAB,c47f5eaabba835de1d09708c31ce92b9 X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.150.112 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 10:29:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Thread-Index: Ac0rlJvb72cDfzKESpCeF1qvth6T2g== X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-06_05:2012-05-04,2012-05-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205060131 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Mk II wiring X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I want to thank all who have helped me with the Ammeter wiring on a Mk II that I'm working on. I have move the harness to behind the dash and out the right side of the firewall, it just made that distance. I still don't like the harness spliced in at the alternator. The harness should be connected at the starter relay I'm told. I would like to see a picture of how the Ammeter harness is connected at the starter relay - Anyone? Thanks Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 10:01:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFA72D0809 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 10:01:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f50.google.com (mail-qa0-f50.google.com [209.85.216.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811352D0A6A for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 08:47:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qafl39 with SMTP id l39so2509356qaf.2 for ; Sun, 06 May 2012 07:47:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=munroe.ca; s=google; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=BPw6wuTznhnzw7c4MIsaI4f7E0mH8WRQaO+LpUu9bH8=; b=kMWZHt5tffIyK6Hoq9+vGApDShlzykfrMKEed5Z3XwBbCcVvfcKEwsyj1q7QSiFacP o9QTEklLS7hyWCHhhlwmXAQpQwcFbl82bCd4QVWGcpHWhcf+gNJEMohnYcJFRKslZx7G DO2+nDcIKQSV5T/fA5WqFmYrMn/2mSEAAXr+w= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=BPw6wuTznhnzw7c4MIsaI4f7E0mH8WRQaO+LpUu9bH8=; b=KPm+acK0zKvwr2kXJBlLeRm0GsXgHQZXX8IDTs7KnDJJaW/MqfOtIe6sdOoSsedDUx ZT8gLxc2ws/nlDkTNKI/ynAv5ccqeEWAxZ356D3HNW/F3mwsGdDH93ANecm0s3QiCE8b vU6bDSNAPaUV71ogIODv5A3PdrhLG+NMcqeQtIbHWAjdVbOZbUn7X/z4vpcbJXdNk9aT gbm7Gie44JLQy5+tSaYLzWBRI+QiidoeTvivMTHw97NxyEjCRwRe3fOSfSp/WqLnxOc7 nVw3AhD0sZidN74q8qo//2Tglaaf9GScD45NJxQECVwPDg5482fNfmQBV4PmeUQ0PyO2 9kaw== Received: by 10.229.136.131 with SMTP id r3mr6055968qct.81.1336315657513; Sun, 06 May 2012 07:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DavePC (DRMONS0505W-142134038140.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net. [142.134.38.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fk8sm27431067qab.11.2012.05.06.07.47.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 May 2012 07:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9B17C42E57954D14862CEAD2E81655C1@DavePC> From: "Dave Munroe" To: "Tigers" References: <12383144.2189316.1335984896876.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <12383144.2189316.1335984896876.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 11:47:36 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmGmJueJn4yy+WzQHxog3xAMOFqVtwddNWsjQcq8j1w/Mc/XfSEKfTCo7ytfgj14cX+8W4t Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Soft Top X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Good day folks: I am closing in on completing my "going on forever" restoration of the mighty Tiger. Last on the list following the nearly completed resto of the interior is the replacement of the ancient vinyl soft top. At the TE/AE Annual Meet in Rockland, Me. in 2010, There were several Alpines and Tigers present with relatively new soft tops fitted, and several did not look good. The consensus among those present was that the patterns were getting old and not providing an accurate panel shape to provide a proper fitment. There were two tops that I saw, however, that were outstanding, but unfortunately they both came from the U.K. and neither owner could recall the name of the manufacturer. Have any of you purchased a soft top recently that you are very happy with, or know of a recently purchased soft top that impressed you with the fit and finish? I'd really appreciate some direction as to where to find a good fitting soft top. TIA, Dave _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 11:35:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015152D0C15 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 11:35:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF472D0A29 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 10:29:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo109.cox.net ([68.230.241.158]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120506162942.RIKE30946.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo109.cox.net>; Sun, 6 May 2012 12:29:42 -0400 Received: from fed1rmwml107 ([172.18.140.217]) by fed1rmimpo109.cox.net with bizsmtp id 6gVi1j00B4hdPEs03gViYP; Sun, 06 May 2012 12:29:42 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4FA6A6F6.0041,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=g8IMEmposX1KOWxGgpeiwObhpDn6sCId5OfRM/a6+Xw= c=1 sm=1 a=JqrJy3D4SIIA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=S19IIY4ylecA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=pOe5d74Ez/ATt1q1FyB//g==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=gt-qlNOAPlXU9XilEicA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=pOe5d74Ez/ATt1q1FyB//g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 72.197.206.17 by webmail.west.cox.net; Sun, 6 May 2012 12:29:42 -0400 Message-ID: <20120506122942.RQLPP.583479.imail@fed1rmwml107> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 9:29:42 -0700 From: To: Dave Munroe , Tigers In-Reply-To: <9B17C42E57954D14862CEAD2E81655C1@DavePC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Soft Top X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I purchased a top from Sunbeam Specialities. I believe the box said it was a Robbins top. I am quite happy with it. Installing a top requires a great deal of patience and perseverance. I had Smitty do the install with my kibbitzing. He would tug and tighten screws, step back, look, curse and then tackle it again. Find somebody who has done a few and apprentice from them. Erich ---- Dave Munroe wrote: > Good day folks: > > I am closing in on completing my "going on forever" restoration of the > mighty Tiger. Last on the list following the nearly completed resto of the > interior is the replacement of the ancient vinyl soft top. > > At the TE/AE Annual Meet in Rockland, Me. in 2010, There were several > Alpines and Tigers present with relatively new soft tops fitted, and several > did not look good. The consensus among those present was that the patterns > were getting old and not providing an accurate panel shape to provide a > proper fitment. There were two tops that I saw, however, that were > outstanding, but unfortunately they both came from the U.K. and neither > owner could recall the name of the manufacturer. > > Have any of you purchased a soft top recently that you are very happy with, > or know of a recently purchased soft top that impressed you with the fit and > finish? I'd really appreciate some direction as to where to find a good > fitting soft top. > > TIA, > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 11:35:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74422D0C83 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 11:35:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD642D0BAB for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 10:48:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q46Gn27W021044; Sun, 6 May 2012 09:49:33 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0213 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b0c3) id dm0213.4f90dc71.413386; Sun, 6 May 2012 09:49:25 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PpquVXdJtEgIAAAAC,9da90ecd3d861519650803aabed1e8c8 X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.176.195 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Dave Munroe'" , "'Tigers'" Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 12:49:14 -0400 Message-ID: <11E7C6EADB7941DBA9B09DEB5E0C2723@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Thread-Index: Ac0roYezjGul3r2YQkCQl5ZfY3IPJQABfwrA In-Reply-To: <9B17C42E57954D14862CEAD2E81655C1@DavePC> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-06_06:2012-05-04,2012-05-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205060175 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Soft Top X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dave I thought Tiger Tom and Rick McLeod of Sunbeam Specialties worked with Robbins many years ago to get the right fit. I know for a time the Robbins soft top was short material at a couple of points. SS should have the correct fitting top. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:48 AM To: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Soft Top Good day folks: I am closing in on completing my "going on forever" restoration of the mighty Tiger. Last on the list following the nearly completed resto of the interior is the replacement of the ancient vinyl soft top. At the TE/AE Annual Meet in Rockland, Me. in 2010, There were several Alpines and Tigers present with relatively new soft tops fitted, and several did not look good. The consensus among those present was that the patterns were getting old and not providing an accurate panel shape to provide a proper fitment. There were two tops that I saw, however, that were outstanding, but unfortunately they both came from the U.K. and neither owner could recall the name of the manufacturer. Have any of you purchased a soft top recently that you are very happy with, or know of a recently purchased soft top that impressed you with the fit and finish? I'd really appreciate some direction as to where to find a good fitting soft top. TIA, Dave _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4977 - Release Date: 05/04/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 13:07:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B574A2D0B39 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 13:07:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2AE42D0B3F for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 11:37:26 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=ix.netcom.com; b=qxMwyPmuVvQb9FBWix+ZUvC2Mh9Hr5axYNJHcBVUlpGR2c+YP6N4tdJsF6L2x2kq; h=Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [184.36.180.159] (helo=[192.168.1.65]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SR5P5-0001pL-NZ; Sun, 06 May 2012 13:37:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) From: Allan Ballard In-Reply-To: <12383144.2189316.1335984896876.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 13:37:51 -0400 Message-Id: <57209934-65D3-4741-8F03-DE75F8F54B54@ix.netcom.com> References: <12383144.2189316.1335984896876.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> To: Tigers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-ELNK-Trace: 2f4fdeefbaace5eb74cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e51960688ef86292171e80c978210aeb89abceb58350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 184.36.180.159 Subject: [Tigers] Vinyl die/paint X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Has anyone used vinyl die/paint on upholstery? The guy spraying my Mk1a Tiger put a considerable dusting of green paint onto the top boot, which is black. He says not to worry, he can easily spray black paint/dye two cover the overspray of green. I don't see this pieced in the catalog of our suppliers -- so a replacement is probably not an option. I can't help but speculate that such paint or dye would not appear original and would not last. But I have no experience with it. TIA, Allan Ballard Mk1a Tiger _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 14:04:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A0C2D0C83 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 14:04:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035B62D0A87 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 13:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6j1p1j0010FhH24A4j7dBe; Sun, 06 May 2012 19:07:37 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.112]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6j7d1j0052R7Hzg8Uj7dVK; Sun, 06 May 2012 19:07:37 +0000 Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:07:37 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Dave Munroe Message-ID: <1417807946.2426667.1336331257225.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <20120506122942.RQLPP.583479.imail@fed1rmwml107> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [24.15.170.224] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Soft Top X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, Hopefully you still have the top you are replacing. Using the old one as a pattern and guide as to where the holes go, etc. can be a big help. If the old one did not fit as well as you would like, with wrinkles in certain places, you can first try and adjust it with new mounting holes, etc. without worrying you are going to mess it up. It is coming off anyway. Mark any revisions and then use the old top as a guide to installing the new one. That helped me a couple of years ago anyway. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "e coiner" To: "Dave Munroe" , "Tigers" Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 11:29:42 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Soft Top I purchased a top from Sunbeam Specialities. I believe the box said it was a Robbins top. I am quite happy with it. Installing a top requires a great deal of patience and perseverance. I had Smitty do the install with my kibbitzing. He would tug and tighten screws, step back, look, curse and then tackle it again. Find somebody who has done a few and apprentice from them. Erich ---- Dave Munroe wrote: > Good day folks: > > I am closing in on completing my "going on forever" restoration of the > mighty Tiger. Last on the list following the nearly completed resto of the > interior is the replacement of the ancient vinyl soft top. > > At the TE/AE Annual Meet in Rockland, Me. in 2010, There were several > Alpines and Tigers present with relatively new soft tops fitted, and several > did not look good. The consensus among those present was that the patterns > were getting old and not providing an accurate panel shape to provide a > proper fitment. There were two tops that I saw, however, that were > outstanding, but unfortunately they both came from the U.K. and neither > owner could recall the name of the manufacturer. > > Have any of you purchased a soft top recently that you are very happy with, > or know of a recently purchased soft top that impressed you with the fit and > finish? I'd really appreciate some direction as to where to find a good > fitting soft top. > > TIA, > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 14:59:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA1A2D0C5D for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 14:59:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D132D0C46 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 14:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6j7o1j00327AodY5Ck4lsZ; Sun, 06 May 2012 20:04:45 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([71.233.107.30]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6k4k1j00L0fNubr3fk4lM7; Sun, 06 May 2012 20:04:45 +0000 Message-ID: <5367426FC4E04072868526FF08CDD22F@sbrennanPC> From: "Stu Brennan" To: "Allan Ballard" , "Tigers" References: <12383144.2189316.1335984896876.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <57209934-65D3-4741-8F03-DE75F8F54B54@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <57209934-65D3-4741-8F03-DE75F8F54B54@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 16:04:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vinyl die/paint X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I've used the Duplicolor Vinyl and Fabric spray on my black rugs, which try to turn into brown rugs if exposed to light. I have also use a similar product to renew a couple vinyl pieces, the kick panels, and they still look fine after several years. Worth a try, IMHO. Stu -----Original Message----- From: Allan Ballard Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 1:37 PM To: Tigers Subject: [Tigers] Vinyl die/paint Has anyone used vinyl die/paint on upholstery? The guy spraying my Mk1a Tiger put a considerable dusting of green paint onto the top boot, which is black. He says not to worry, he can easily spray black paint/dye two cover the overspray of green. I don't see this pieced in the catalog of our suppliers -- so a replacement is probably not an option. I can't help but speculate that such paint or dye would not appear original and would not last. But I have no experience with it. TIA, Allan Ballard Mk1a Tiger _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stubrennan@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 15:43:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE41E2D0C87 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 15:43:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from defout.telus.net (defout.telus.net [204.209.205.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6542D0C2B for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 14:21:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from edmwcm03 ([204.209.205.31]) by priv-edmwes23.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.8.01.03.00 201-2260-125-20100507) with ESMTP id <20120506202222.KSBK6936.priv-edmwes23.telusplanet.net@edmwcm03> for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 14:22:22 -0600 Received: from JimPC ([154.5.115.224]) by edmwcm03 with bizsmtp id 6kNN1j00D4qZVaJ01kNNPv; Sun, 06 May 2012 14:22:22 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=DfGu3kRxcf33UDmAz2t35TOp44jZPi9oUdtNNHblcx4= c=1 sm=2 a=JqrJy3D4SIIA:10 a=kg4CHXgqtSEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=dyTapXDjAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=ZJ5FwNcAXtRlCdBnDuoA:9 a=XIvUMrZW-2e8iKPe8uQA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=gBw44Nox7VgA:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 154.5.115.224 From: "jim" To: "'Dave Munroe'" , "'Tigers'" References: <12383144.2189316.1335984896876.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <9B17C42E57954D14862CEAD2E81655C1@DavePC> In-Reply-To: <9B17C42E57954D14862CEAD2E81655C1@DavePC> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 13:22:22 -0700 Message-ID: <014501cd2bc5$f2308470$d6918d50$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0roX2RETrZKkPaTKqAOoNTLzKo+QAIzdzw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Soft Top X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Dave I asked the very same questions on here a couple years ago... I was told 2 things that stood out... One was that for the 'concours original' crowd, the exact material for originality is not available for a MK1A but IS for a MK1... can't remember the source The other thing was... buy a cloth top if you can afford it as they look extremely good when installed ! ( you're probably only ever gonna buy ONE ) I took that advice and ponied up for a Robbins cloth top from S.S.( a little over double the $ of vinyl ) It looks fantastic and I get a lot of compliments about it. Being cloth, it's pretty much immune to stretch and hot/cold ... I actually installed it in March in a cool shop... the usual fussing and pulling but was worth it ( I did it by myself! ) Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 7:48 AM To: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Soft Top Good day folks: I am closing in on completing my "going on forever" restoration of the mighty Tiger. Last on the list following the nearly completed resto of the interior is the replacement of the ancient vinyl soft top. At the TE/AE Annual Meet in Rockland, Me. in 2010, There were several Alpines and Tigers present with relatively new soft tops fitted, and several did not look good. The consensus among those present was that the patterns were getting old and not providing an accurate panel shape to provide a proper fitment. There were two tops that I saw, however, that were outstanding, but unfortunately they both came from the U.K. and neither owner could recall the name of the manufacturer. Have any of you purchased a soft top recently that you are very happy with, or know of a recently purchased soft top that impressed you with the fit and finish? I'd really appreciate some direction as to where to find a good fitting soft top. TIA, Dave _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim@island.net ----- No virus found in this message. 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I purchased a top maybe two some years back- still in storage as is his name but he was recommended by a member and he gave me a deal on the top(s). Seems I bough2 since he was so generous as to normal price- he might not appreciate this statement- he may no longer be in business BUT he was also a Tiger owner and the tops matched very close to originals but he also had expensive tops available in Blue but I cant recall the type material- a bit out of my price range at the time. I think I have almost as many parts as any member BUT I'm definitely the poorest of the group and for sure the dumbest and a vote isn't necessary, I gladly accept the award. Something I did want to mention. A cpl weeks ago I brought up ans award for a gent who had just passed away and had done tons for our group- I had been tasting some WVa Moonshine and totally forgot about Steve Lafiman and forgot I apologize to Steve and family and the to everyone for if anyone deserves recognition, it would be Steve but as both had done so much perhaps they would enjoy some sort of recognition. You guys on the west coast have more to say about the idea but I wanted to throw it out/ Again, Jay, Um sorry young man, iy just slipped y mind. cheers, Tony --- On Sun, 5/6/12, genepadgett@comcast.net wrote: From: genepadgett@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Soft Top To: "Dave Munroe" Cc: "Tigers" Date: Sunday, May 6, 2012, 2:07 PM Dave, Hopefully you still have the top you are replacing. Using the old one as a pattern and guide as to where the holes go, etc. can be a big help. If the old one did not fit as well as you would like, with wrinkles in certain places, you can first try and adjust it with new mounting holes, etc. without worrying you are going to mess it up. It is coming off anyway. Mark any revisions and then use the old top as a guide to installing the new one. That helped me a couple of years ago anyway. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "e coiner" To: "Dave Munroe" , "Tigers" Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 11:29:42 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Soft Top I purchased a top from Sunbeam Specialities. I believe the box said it was a Robbins top. I am quite happy with it. Installing a top requires a great deal of patience and perseverance. I had Smitty do the install with my kibbitzing. He would tug and tighten screws, step back, look, curse and then tackle it again. Find somebody who has done a few and apprentice from them. Erich ---- Dave Munroe wrote: > Good day folks: > > I am closing in on completing my "going on forever" restoration of the > mighty Tiger. Last on the list following the nearly completed resto of the > interior is the replacement of the ancient vinyl soft top. > > At the TE/AE Annual Meet in Rockland, Me. in 2010, There were several > Alpines and Tigers present with relatively new soft tops fitted, and several > did not look good. The consensus among those present was that the patterns > were getting old and not providing an accurate panel shape to provide a > proper fitment. There were two tops that I saw, however, that were > outstanding, but unfortunately they both came from the U.K. and neither > owner could recall the name of the manufacturer. > > Have any of you purchased a soft top recently that you are very happy with, > or know of a recently purchased soft top that impressed you with the fit and > finish? I'd really appreciate some direction as to where to find a good > fitting soft top. > > TIA, > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 18:01:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382C02D0A53 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:01:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BA02D06F5 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 16:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so9935925obb.14 for ; Sun, 06 May 2012 15:36:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7i0+m2T1HVsqPAieH1SCxTq2IjcrIL9noGQdBPslEeM=; b=EONAt/WO2Q7TxPX/Do1Nz0eshCQ/a3xVyr+PzCgWSf0S/OprSErjhVfv1mWUDmf+1C SQu/dk4Gts5V2IX4n8UQ0aolw/1RrB3R5oQ79YqfvX7UPmuHbIAQ3YosEB/gK/NsZwHZ LwWG++KbCEIDp712QlXN5Ix4IBkqkWcGKI1WJ9XtNtgPKXcw3K8a8D3xnaI7MzPWyZRf FGXC/ZFjfTf2BfXAqQ0YFhoL7NpYalZTrTFyS7BqRSt4lNAB3+YabplImpOcvnFYgB6a bHhAZ7GA5yPBDsHLW1KB7ys6Cq564ZqiCvXQr2HCsU0lpbe0Vobcn2XePFLHzrbrYYKy FDJw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.158.161 with SMTP id wv1mr1243756igb.43.1336343791560; Sun, 06 May 2012 15:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.214.101 with HTTP; Sun, 6 May 2012 15:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 18:36:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: Owain Lloyd To: tigers@autox.team.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] battery cable length X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net anyone know off hand, how long the positive battery cable is? i want to order one before removing the old one and don't want to find it too short. thanks. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 18:03:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B702D0B72 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:03:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EAB2D0B3F for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 17:11:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so1178696eek.14 for ; Sun, 06 May 2012 16:11:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=xpcaeELyFj7XWAwJ6RcefEk1DhdxmCGM3fVHOrAFl0M=; b=o+e92AWF5S/19BHXL3FFp6E9zGki0DfJxxxWuXtttV8yBIMJoji5McoGh4oxISnnfs PhmRdSZxtusQvYgHvBXpXDouQ2TUMg0Xsp5SJ3y9/RPHUsLHRgZsNdoB1pcwEAS0CPe6 Pz5a0s7r1vOmZyy/eCB8J9poOkE21o9kCf9do3YXkSVM+PoHyyaCMO2ynLREVPgM7sTP A2eP1J0EJ7w2RU9hkOl3kAIemehqfuelfkgStY8zXONe6xf912KeiYGNT9/FIWaFugda 5/rtWbIMwjgqiKO6zqE8WwdAlocmr/yDOyzIOQRaeJiAVGn0u6LzVTNmeohp205cSaJ8 FUwQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.95.138 with SMTP id p10mr277203eef.110.1336345916923; Sun, 06 May 2012 16:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.102.148 with HTTP; Sun, 6 May 2012 16:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.102.148 with HTTP; Sun, 6 May 2012 16:11:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <57209934-65D3-4741-8F03-DE75F8F54B54@ix.netcom.com> References: <12383144.2189316.1335984896876.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <57209934-65D3-4741-8F03-DE75F8F54B54@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:11:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: Allan Ballard X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vinyl die/paint X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: michael@michaelshortt.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Back in college I used it to turn a 73 TR6 Pimento Red & Russet into a Pimento Red & Black car. It lasted the entire time I owned the car (6 years), with the top down 85% of the time and 4 summers in Columbia, SC's blistering sun. Michael Shortt As with all paints and dye, surface prep is key, Zero Armor All residue, a good alcohol scrub down before application. On May 6, 2012 3:08 PM, "Allan Ballard" wrote: > Has anyone used vinyl die/paint on upholstery? > > The guy spraying my Mk1a Tiger put a considerable dusting of green paint > onto > the top boot, which > is black. > > He says not to worry, he can easily spray black paint/dye two cover the > overspray of green. > > I don't see this pieced in the catalog of our suppliers -- so a > replacement is > probably not an option. > > I can't help but speculate that such paint or dye would not appear original > and would not last. > > But I have no experience with it. > > TIA, > > Allan Ballard > Mk1a Tiger > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 19:49:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814392D0CA3 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 19:49:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353402D0A99 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:20:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.10.10.109] ([66.37.86.225]) by m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id 6oMK1j0014riQDu01oMK69; Sun, 06 May 2012 17:21:19 -0700 Message-ID: <4FA71584.1060509@cthompson.net> Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 20:21:24 -0400 From: Chris Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120420 Thunderbird/12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: michael@michaelshortt.com References: <12383144.2189316.1335984896876.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <57209934-65D3-4741-8F03-DE75F8F54B54@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: Cc: "michael@michaelshortt.com" , Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vinyl die/paint X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: chris@cthompson.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I just used Eastwood's product about two years ago to redo a vinyl top on a Mini-Moke. It lasted about 6 months, but it was exposed continuously to the sun and salt in the West Indies. YMMV Chris On 5/6/2012 7:11 PM, michael@michaelshortt.com wrote: > Back in college I used it to turn a 73 TR6 Pimento Red& Russet into a > Pimento Red& Black car. It lasted the entire time I owned the car (6 > years), with the top down 85% of the time and 4 summers in Columbia, SC's > blistering sun. > > Michael Shortt > > As with all paints and dye, surface prep is key, Zero Armor All residue, a > good > alcohol scrub down before application. > On May 6, 2012 3:08 PM, "Allan Ballard" wrote: > >> Has anyone used vinyl die/paint on upholstery? >> >> The guy spraying my Mk1a Tiger put a considerable dusting of green paint >> onto >> the top boot, which >> is black. >> >> He says not to worry, he can easily spray black paint/dye two cover the >> overspray of green. >> >> I don't see this pieced in the catalog of our suppliers -- so a >> replacement is >> probably not an option. >> >> I can't help but speculate that such paint or dye would not appear original >> and would not last. >> >> But I have no experience with it. >> >> TIA, >> >> Allan Ballard >> Mk1a Tiger >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 20:40:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE732D0C84 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 20:40:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5142D0C7B for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 19:32:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Sun, 06 May 2012 21:32:54 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 21:32:54 -0400 X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.8a, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <4fa72646.568a.0@thecia.net> X-User-Info: 96.237.177.118 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [Tigers] soft top boots X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rande@thecia.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It's not cheap, but Sunbeam Specialties still lists the soft top boot for Tiger IA and II. www.rootes.com then 'catalog', then 'B' for boot,soft top. RB _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 20:42:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47952D0CF1 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 20:42:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD262D0ABD for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 19:44:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q471j03w027859; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:45:18 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0219 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 401894db) id dm0219.4f90dc63.41e600; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:45:04 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PpykgX+k/9gIAAAAC,ff293d34427e0be24e79715fe57f3604 X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.148.219 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Allan Ballard'" , "'Tigers'" Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 21:44:47 -0400 Message-ID: <2B1D0FD540B94AA0B27BF7E422B6ED49@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Thread-Index: Ac0ru4vs5MBJvvwsSEuNSIAvCg61fwANSnSw In-Reply-To: <57209934-65D3-4741-8F03-DE75F8F54B54@ix.netcom.com> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-07_01:2012-05-04,2012-05-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205060356 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vinyl die/paint X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Allan A light dusting of paint should come off with a bit of effort. Before putting any more paint on the top boot; I would first try washing it with soap and water and maybe a soft brush, try wiping it with something like Goo Gone and/ or Lanoline hand cleaner lastly a Prep Sol type product. Be careful with Prep Sol it could bit into the vinyl some so be ready to wipe it with soap and water. SS lists Top Boot under Interior and Carpets. The vinyl die will work but it is adding a layer of paint on top of paint to a flexible surface and I would think that will crack sometime. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 1:38 PM To: Tigers Subject: [Tigers] Vinyl die/paint Has anyone used vinyl die/paint on upholstery? The guy spraying my Mk1a Tiger put a considerable dusting of green paint onto the top boot, which is black. He says not to worry, he can easily spray black paint/dye two cover the overspray of green. I don't see this pieced in the catalog of our suppliers -- so a replacement is probably not an option. I can't help but speculate that such paint or dye would not appear original and would not last. But I have no experience with it. TIA, Allan Ballard Mk1a Tiger _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4977 - Release Date: 05/04/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 04:48:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A499D2D0CD5 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 04:48:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE3B2D0CEC for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 02:53:31 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=ix.netcom.com; b=iiTwCkZYjAZCqAKSYUdsLOAezGZGhm0AIud8KdUNsoZgLM9JenfF8vmHZj1twHZt; h=Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [184.36.180.159] (helo=[192.168.1.65]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SRJhn-00067f-3A for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 07 May 2012 04:54:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) From: Allan Ballard In-Reply-To: <4fa72646.568a.0@thecia.net> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 04:54:06 -0400 Message-Id: References: <4fa72646.568a.0@thecia.net> To: Tiger List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-ELNK-Trace: 2f4fdeefbaace5eb74cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e51960688472c6a3e83054f1cef455d56be454bde350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 184.36.180.159 Subject: Re: [Tigers] soft top boots X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, Somehow I did not see that listed on the catalog , even though I looked twice. And thanks to all for the input on paint/dye as well. I think we'll try the paint/dye first and see how it looks. Allan Ballard Mk1a Tiger On May 6, 2012, at 9:32 PM, rande wrote: > It's not cheap, but Sunbeam Specialties still lists the soft top boot for Tiger > IA and II. > > www.rootes.com then 'catalog', then 'B' for boot,soft top. > > RB > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aballard@ix.netcom.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 16:09:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F3C2D0683 for ; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net 11 ft. 6 in from a MK1 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 23:58:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D6A2D0943 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 23:58:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm31-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm31-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 724D42D094D for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 22:18:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm31.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net As an aid to help my restoration, I've been building an online Tiger and Alpine parts catalog and thought I would share the project with the group. I've had some nice folks help me out by sharing their parts and have a good starting point. The site allows anyone to easily add/edit to the online Tiger/Alpine catalog of parts thats already started. As an add-on, I also allow anyone to indicate the parts they have to sell or want based on that catalog of parts and easily trade offline. Please take a look and let me know if you find this valuable. For further site access, request an invite and I will send along a beta invite to the site. www.foundparts.com Thanks! Steve _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 01:23:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76442D09A2 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 01:23:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from st11p01mm-asmtpout002.mac.com (st11p01mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.172.204.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BDB12D0939 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 23:14:40 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [10.0.1.12] ([98.234.45.13]) by st11p01mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M3O007C9ULBIG80@st11p01mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 08 May 2012 05:15:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-08_01:2012-05-07,2012-05-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205070424 From: Carlo Bernardino Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 22:15:11 -0700 To: tigers@autox.team.net Message-id: <657DED3D-DCE6-4442-BF36-370DA85C370D@me.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dear Tiger Gurus, I was enjoying the Monterey weather this weekend and chasing down porsches when the engine started sounding rough. I short shifted home and popped the boot. Low and behold my exhaust manifold had ejected a number of bolts. So much for bolts being seized on the manifold. Anyway, I suspect I need to replace the gasket and bolts. So some questions for the gurus: 1) Is it possible to change the gasket with the engine in situ? 2) Any tricks in getting things 'just right'? 3) What are the bolts to be torqued to? Thanks for all your advice on advance. Rob Rob in Carmel, CA 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red TAC# 0519 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 03:53:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C552D0926 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 03:53:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3D12D0937 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 02:08:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7L9C1j0031GhbT85BL9CAW; Tue, 08 May 2012 08:09:12 +0000 Received: from morereliable.comcast.net ([24.125.152.229]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7L9B1j00K4xDDKL3TL9BEc; Tue, 08 May 2012 08:09:12 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 04:09:05 -0400 To: Carlo Bernardino ,tigers@autox.team.net From: Marc James Small In-Reply-To: <657DED3D-DCE6-4442-BF36-370DA85C370D@me.com> References: <657DED3D-DCE6-4442-BF36-370DA85C370D@me.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120508095321.27C552D0926@autox.team.net> At 01:15 AM 5/8/2012, Carlo Bernardino wrote: >Dear Tiger Gurus, >I was enjoying the Monterey weather this weekend and chasing down >porsches when the engine started sounding rough. I short shifted home >and popped the boot. Low and behold my exhaust manifold had ejected a >number of bolts. So much for bolts being seized on the manifold. >Anyway, I suspect I need to replace the gasket and bolts. So some >questions for the gurus: Lad, the 'boot' is the trunk. You popped the hood if you were looking at the engine. (A panoply of 1960's VW Bug jokes pop into my mind -- I only did around 100,000 miles in Alpines and other Rootes Group cars but I did about 600,000 miles in air-cooled VeeDubs, back in the day.) If you popped the boot and saw the engine, well, it is time to check in for some medical assistance on your meds. Marc It is a good world for doing good deeds. -- Nathaniel the Faun _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 07:41:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410D02D070B for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:41:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191852D08F2 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 05:24:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004960 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q48BMcAu029336; Tue, 8 May 2012 04:25:11 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0224 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0224.4f90dc56.45f89e; Tue, 8 May 2012 04:25:05 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PqQKRz3/JmgIAAAAC,b31854a65ac4a625a866b925a6b38c45 X-Originating-Ip: 67.72.98.45 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.177.93]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Tue, 08 May 2012 11:25:04 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Carlo Bernardino'" , Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 07:25:00 -0400 Message-ID: <29CFA8BEA7154560BBD1BD642A29F58C@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <657DED3D-DCE6-4442-BF36-370DA85C370D@me.com> Thread-Index: Ac0s65ybW29kdVqCTZKvRHpf5BoO3AAHfhsg X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-08_03:2012-05-07,2012-05-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205080075 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Rob If you are running a stock Tiger engine and manifolds there is no exhaust manifold gasket but I believe they are available. You pull all the bolts except the first and last which are just loose, some gaskets slide onto those 2 bolts then install the rest of the bolts. There is a lock tap for the bolts - C2OZ-9A447-A - these come in a package of 8 and are still available. I have seen other companies with tabs and clips to keep their bolts from backing out. Note there are 2 different length bolt for the stock Tiger exhaust manifold. 3/8"x 1 1/4" 3/8"x 2" Torque bolts to 18 - 24 ft lbs. See Tigers United for Ford Parts List under engine http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carlo Bernardino Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:15 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues Dear Tiger Gurus, I was enjoying the Monterey weather this weekend and chasing down porsches when the engine started sounding rough. I short shifted home and popped the boot. Low and behold my exhaust manifold had ejected a number of bolts. So much for bolts being seized on the manifold. Anyway, I suspect I need to replace the gasket and bolts. So some questions for the gurus: 1) Is it possible to change the gasket with the engine in situ? 2) Any tricks in getting things 'just right'? 3) What are the bolts to be torqued to? Thanks for all your advice on advance. Rob Rob in Carmel, CA 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red TAC# 0519 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 07:41:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11FD2D0965 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:41:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nschwmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com (nschwmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.189.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D242D08EC for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 06:01:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.191.92.239]) by nschwmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20120508120227.UFMG11739.nschwmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com>; Tue, 8 May 2012 12:02:27 +0000 Received: from HOME ([124.191.92.239]) by nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20120508120227.MZMI1330.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HOME>; Tue, 8 May 2012 12:02:27 +0000 From: "Wally Menke" To: "'Dave Munroe'" , "'Tigers'" References: <12383144.2189316.1335984896876.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <9B17C42E57954D14862CEAD2E81655C1@DavePC> In-Reply-To: <9B17C42E57954D14862CEAD2E81655C1@DavePC> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 22:02:08 +1000 Message-ID: <002c01cd2d12$64f68070$2ee38150$@net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0roYOGssQ6DQr0Q42JPjod3pkzNQBcDc8A Content-Language: en-au X-SIH-MSG-ID: rh40FNz/TAD0zmQv0WC2O1J2yAm2q3kv8Z4QX81loBsGRUTdu8LXU67mJrM8kMf2xDZcNxiPPmMqYav0X4/QsOM= Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Soft Top X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dave I would recommend spending the extra $$ and using the Robbins canvas top. I would not bother with the vinyl version as they never fit properly or nearly as well. The canvas material has a lot more stretch in it and remains taunt all the time. I have one and it fit and looks really well. Wally Menke _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 09:01:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C4C2D08C0 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:01:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from st11p01mm-asmtpout005.mac.com (st11p01mm-asmtpout005.mac.com [17.172.204.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701E22D08EB for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:07:10 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [10.0.1.12] ([98.234.45.13]) by st11p01mm-asmtp005.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M3P006BGGGVDY10@st11p01mm-asmtp005.mac.com> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 08 May 2012 13:07:45 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-08_03:2012-05-08,2012-05-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205080111 From: Carlo Bernardino In-reply-to: <0M3P00JPX2NBA850@st11b01mm-smtpin201.mac.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 06:07:43 -0700 Message-id: References: <657DED3D-DCE6-4442-BF36-370DA85C370D@me.com> <0M3P00JPX2NBA850@st11b01mm-smtpin201.mac.com> To: Marc James Small X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ooops! I sit corrected. Rob On May 8, 2012, at 1:09 AM, Marc James Small wrote: > At 01:15 AM 5/8/2012, Carlo Bernardino wrote: > >Dear Tiger Gurus, > >I was enjoying the Monterey weather this weekend and chasing down > >porsches when the engine started sounding rough. I short shifted home > >and popped the boot. Low and behold my exhaust manifold had ejected a > >number of bolts. So much for bolts being seized on the manifold. > >Anyway, I suspect I need to replace the gasket and bolts. So some > >questions for the gurus: > > Lad, the 'boot' is the trunk. You popped the hood if you were looking at the engine. (A panoply of 1960's VW Bug jokes pop into my mind -- I only did around 100,000 miles in Alpines and other Rootes Group cars but I did about 600,000 miles in air-cooled VeeDubs, back in the day.) > > If you popped the boot and saw the engine, well, it is time to check in for some medical assistance on your meds. > > Marc > > > It is a good world for doing good deeds. > -- Nathaniel the Faun _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 09:01:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022AB2D08AD for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:01:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm22.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm22.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 97FED2D08F2 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:08:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.147] by nm22.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2012 13:08:52 -0000 Received: from [209.191.108.96] by tm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2012 13:08:52 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.118] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2012 13:08:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2012 13:08:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 208738.6574.bm@omp1023.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 28002 invoked from network); 8 May 2012 13:08:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=XUEPBF75UUwiMAbbDvFAj00zoL7PPHNDCh8/dsJvkeDz5XjNf1Ml1UOZ2YIYPA8OAz4jSei/fsJ9mRlbBOAaw0CD6F/PDBuSliP4q7JjOGlk0FytL2VQqEpE1wyxAaFzujikYSo4xUg54PBZxq0LzzODQFY09uTWF8AjV5fg8Jc= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1336482532; bh=2M2Efqwrri7cOiopBRR1M7QulS1HCBgcf/HGZ945SUk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=x1/GHnjMeWGqU8BtYeeAsEazrFXPbfnFJwZqPx6bC9sS9iy1SGoiNpLUL5bX4PwCyeYzI5ocY68cy5VE6PNOoZDsOj1SmbUpe9oyj6rNM+o06esUyNsCm9UhlxnOpupIijbbV5AHMVwk80FbrcRp6Jzn91WKFTKfmO5L1whW2yw= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: A3NsWHUVM1nvs241q7vi2lGMhDUNVBMdhyI4d64dnGXQu.r 7OKz3cPEG.oXGsrc1wJxl2uL83c99DLfKFBzq0dXynEIbzpyKglfnU1cfwbe XHiThBUFCCk3wNDBNaXlJ6CVPLQq8.DtzOlBl96a8Aiyw9l7_DtbIhQYfisR O2ng4npbjcj9x3DFyFANHnc7JmwrE57OrKjVnm2pT3IZQ9d_ZvKsXnyQcaDZ OyRxJuW3aa_yOCLGa4fRhbqEk.kdfMtIsIbzfu9Wz83PnG61rBnaCHFb8BJG ZZeXo5h6O6L7he6NXi1Dv3OPeVJY7Iinq4bHfb5j.A6GqTtEh2Grpnhekz.c vhuV9T0qanYa4nFBULDxQAO7vUp77cry0PzBX0IiXClQjWQCxoTDcN.pD4qG FVFJcdx0ttJAV1s8C22aTjJqRrk7SLkOB9.NsKlW.CxB_digZ X-Yahoo-SMTP: 1fkIrNCswBB8L_3oEXxt3NYZW52ovYcI44WFfYCiT0gdLf21QA-- Received: from RossPC (ross_hulse@108.199.135.20 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 May 2012 06:08:51 -0700 PDT From: "Ross Hulse" To: "'Marc James Small'" , "'Carlo Bernardino'" , References: <657DED3D-DCE6-4442-BF36-370DA85C370D@me.com> <20120508095332.3A8D42D0937@autox.team.net> In-Reply-To: <20120508095332.3A8D42D0937@autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 06:08:54 -0700 Message-ID: <007f01cd2d1b$b8e38da0$2aaaa8e0$@sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHv217N+ei3+tGANn4e4/YINfJ8tgLPbm73lmQEl4A= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I think you meant he popped the bonnet. The hood is the folding top. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Marc James Small Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:09 AM To: Carlo Bernardino; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues At 01:15 AM 5/8/2012, Carlo Bernardino wrote: >Dear Tiger Gurus, >I was enjoying the Monterey weather this weekend and chasing down >porsches when the engine started sounding rough. I short shifted home >and popped the boot. Low and behold my exhaust manifold had ejected a >number of bolts. So much for bolts being seized on the manifold. >Anyway, I suspect I need to replace the gasket and bolts. So some >questions for the gurus: Lad, the 'boot' is the trunk. You popped the hood if you were looking at the engine. (A panoply of 1960's VW Bug jokes pop into my mind -- I only did around 100,000 miles in Alpines and other Rootes Group cars but I did about 600,000 miles in air-cooled VeeDubs, back in the day.) If you popped the boot and saw the engine, well, it is time to check in for some medical assistance on your meds. Marc It is a good world for doing good deeds. -- Nathaniel the Faun _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 09:01:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458B12D0C21 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:01:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from st11p01mm-asmtpout001.mac.com (st11p01mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.172.204.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4336B2D08FB for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:12:00 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [10.0.1.12] ([98.234.45.13]) by st11p01mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0M3P003XTGOX0Q50@st11p01mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 08 May 2012 13:12:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-08_03:2012-05-08,2012-05-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205080112 From: Carlo Bernardino In-reply-to: <007f01cd2d1b$b8e38da0$2aaaa8e0$@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 06:12:33 -0700 Message-id: References: <657DED3D-DCE6-4442-BF36-370DA85C370D@me.com> <20120508095332.3A8D42D0937@autox.team.net> <007f01cd2d1b$b8e38da0$2aaaa8e0$@sbcglobal.net> To: ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I actually popped an aneurysm. Some more specifics: Aftermarket header - not sure what type. Left hand drive car. The bolts are 7/16" by 2. (The ones that are present). Rob On May 8, 2012, at 6:08 AM, Ross Hulse wrote: > I think you meant he popped the bonnet. The hood is the folding top. grins even bigger> > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Marc James Small > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:09 AM > To: Carlo Bernardino; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues > > At 01:15 AM 5/8/2012, Carlo Bernardino wrote: >> Dear Tiger Gurus, >> I was enjoying the Monterey weather this weekend and chasing down >> porsches when the engine started sounding rough. I short shifted home >and > popped the boot. Low and behold my exhaust manifold had ejected a >number > of bolts. So much for bolts being seized on the manifold. >> Anyway, I suspect I need to replace the gasket and bolts. So some >> questions for the gurus: > > Lad, the 'boot' is the trunk. You popped the hood if you were looking at > the engine. (A panoply of 1960's VW Bug jokes pop into my mind -- I only > did around 100,000 miles in Alpines and other Rootes Group cars but I did > about 600,000 miles in air-cooled VeeDubs, back in the day.) > > If you popped the boot and saw the engine, well, it is time to check in for > some medical assistance on your meds. > > Marc > > > It is a good world for doing good deeds. > -- Nathaniel the Faun _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 09:01:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0346B2D0C21 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:01:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0562F2D08FB for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7RDR1j0031GhbT851RDfs8; Tue, 08 May 2012 13:13:39 +0000 Received: from morereliable.comcast.net ([24.125.152.229]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7RDf1j00Z4xDDKL3TRDfZY; Tue, 08 May 2012 13:13:39 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 09:13:19 -0400 To: ,"'Carlo Bernardino'" , From: Marc James Small In-Reply-To: <007f01cd2d1b$b8e38da0$2aaaa8e0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <657DED3D-DCE6-4442-BF36-370DA85C370D@me.com> <20120508095332.3A8D42D0937@autox.team.net> <007f01cd2d1b$b8e38da0$2aaaa8e0$@sbcglobal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120508150155.0346B2D0C21@autox.team.net> At 09:08 AM 5/8/2012, Ross Hulse wrote: >I think you meant he popped the bonnet. The hood is the folding top. grins even bigger> Yes, sir! I do know better. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 09:03:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092972D0917 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:03:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from st11p01mm-asmtpout003.mac.com (st11p01mm-asmtp003.mac.com [17.172.204.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A628F2D08FB for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:24:21 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [10.0.1.12] ([98.234.45.13]) by st11p01mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M3P00LA6H9HMD80@st11p01mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 08 May 2012 13:24:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-08_03:2012-05-08,2012-05-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205080113 From: Carlo Bernardino In-reply-to: <0M3P00KG7GQQZ360@st11b01mm-smtpin206.mac.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 06:24:52 -0700 Message-id: <3C5E7C5B-F8A5-478E-8DD6-ECE98E0F0156@me.com> References: <657DED3D-DCE6-4442-BF36-370DA85C370D@me.com> <20120508095332.3A8D42D0937@autox.team.net> <007f01cd2d1b$b8e38da0$2aaaa8e0$@sbcglobal.net> <0M3P00KG7GQQZ360@st11b01mm-smtpin206.mac.com> To: Marc James Small X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net To further clarify the linguists: hood |hoMod| - a metal part covering the engine of an automobile. Brit. - a folding waterproof cover of an automobile, baby carriage, etc. bonnet |KbC$nit| - Brit. - the hood of an automobile. trunk |trINGk| - the space at the back of a car for carrying luggage and other goods. boot 1 |boMot| - Brit. - the trunk of a car. This is sourced from the dictionary of my Macintosh. Now I am off to operate on eyeballs. Will work on the exhaust tonight! Thanks Rob On May 8, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Marc James Small wrote: > At 09:08 AM 5/8/2012, Ross Hulse wrote: > >I think you meant he popped the bonnet. The hood is the folding top. >grins even bigger> > > Yes, sir! I do know better. > > Marc > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > Cha robh bC s fir gun ghrC s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 09:03:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96052D0961 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:03:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0141.b.hostedemail.com [64.98.42.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4FD2D08F6 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:25:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay05.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 910E65CA1A44; Tue, 8 May 2012 13:26:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Panda: scanned! X-Session-Marker: 6A696D6D633133406875676865732E6E6574 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 2450 Received: from RedBudAdminPC (unknown [97.72.222.164]) (Authenticated sender: jimmc13@hughes.net) by omf06.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 8 May 2012 13:26:12 +0000 (UTC) From: "Jim" To: , "'Carlo Bernardino'" References: <657DED3D-DCE6-4442-BF36-370DA85C370D@me.com> In-Reply-To: <657DED3D-DCE6-4442-BF36-370DA85C370D@me.com> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:26:03 -0500 Message-ID: <6C055491051944BB87A52D16224F953F@RedBudAdminPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0s65+WfOJfTNgoSWm96lsGYPQWSQAMZ8iQ Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Rob, Engines over the years have been able to 'unbolt' various fasteners installed by anybody who might have wrenched on the parts. I suggest you evaluate Stage 8 Locking Fasteners part number 8913 for SB Ford. These are 3/8 by 16 tpi by 3/4" locking header bolts. Unless you are restoring back to concourse these should help keep things in order. Follow the instructions provided. Jim B3892000175 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf of Carlo Bernardino Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:15 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues Dear Tiger Gurus, I was enjoying the Monterey weather this weekend and chasing down porsches when the engine started sounding rough. I short shifted home and popped the boot. Low and behold my exhaust manifold had ejected a number of bolts. So much for bolts being seized on the manifold. Anyway, I suspect I need to replace the gasket and bolts. So some questions for the gurus: 1) Is it possible to change the gasket with the engine in situ? 2) Any tricks in getting things 'just right'? 3) What are the bolts to be torqued to? Thanks for all your advice on advance. Rob Rob in Carmel, CA 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red TAC# 0519 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimmc13@hughes.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 09:04:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE6562D0963 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:04:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og102.obsmtp.com (exprod5og102.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89BC22D08EC for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:39:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpmlip12.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.5.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob102.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKT6kiTjNwiNUhq1cH2439//DZ+JPkhdF5@postini.com; Tue, 08 May 2012 06:40:31 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO alpmlef08.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.18.17]) by alpmlip12.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 08 May 2012 09:40:23 -0400 Received: from alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.18.12]) by alpmlef08.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 8 May 2012 09:40:22 -0400 Received: from cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.50]) by alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 8 May 2012 09:40:22 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA03.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.57) by cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:40:21 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.1.155]) by CINMBCNA03.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.3.14]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:40:21 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: Carlo Bernardino Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues Thread-Index: AQHNLOumfpL4QKxa8ku8O5qFpeDTwZa/2a2Q Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:20 +0000 Message-ID: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05101DE8E@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> References: <657DED3D-DCE6-4442-BF36-370DA85C370D@me.com> In-Reply-To: <657DED3D-DCE6-4442-BF36-370DA85C370D@me.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.192] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2012 13:40:22.0058 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D7D80A0:01CD2D20] Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Rob, Replacing the gaskets is easy....getting to them is a little tough. Since I have size 12 hands, I remove the generator on the passenger side to gain access. The driver's side is a little tight against the steering column, but the stock manifold should clear, barely. You will need to detach the exhaust pipes from the headers first, so plan on replacing the round donut gaskets as well. If you are using stock manifolds I suggest the Fel-Pro http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FEL-MS90000/?rtype=10 gaskets, they are designed to be installed easily and hold up well. If you are using headers and/or have aluminum heads then the Percy's Seal-4-Good http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PHP-66014/ work very well and are reusable. You'll notice the outer bolt holes on the gaskets are slotted, this allows you to slide the gasket in between the manifold and head using only the two outermost bolts to retain the manifold. Use longer bolts temporarily if you cannot get the manifold far enough away from the head. Buy some good grade 8 bolts from ARP or similar, start with the middle two bolts first and torque them to 10 Lb-Ft, then work outward with the rest. Go back and re-torque them in the same sequence to 16-17 Lb-Ft and the headers should be good to go. If you have tubular headers and cannot get enough clearance to separate them from the head, you will need to put a jack under the oil pan, disconnect the motor mounts and carefully raise the engine. Watch for fan shroud and rocker cover clearances! Too bad you didn't study OB-GYN, you could have done it all through the tailpipe! Have fun, Bugz -----Original Message----- From: Carlo Bernardino Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:15 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues Dear Tiger Gurus, I was enjoying the Monterey weather this weekend and chasing down porsches when the engine started sounding rough. I short shifted home and popped the boot. Low and behold my exhaust manifold had ejected a number of bolts. So much for bolts being seized on the manifold. Anyway, I suspect I need to replace the gasket and bolts. So some questions for the gurus: 1) Is it possible to change the gasket with the engine in situ? 2) Any tricks in getting things 'just right'? 3) What are the bolts to be torqued to? Thanks for all your advice on advance. Rob Rob in Carmel, CA 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red TAC# 0519 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark.rense@ge.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 10:30:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C382D0903 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 10:30:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C464C2D08F4 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 08:04:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo305.cox.net ([68.230.241.173]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120508140501.OYPV24333.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net> for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 10:05:01 -0400 Received: from fed1rmwml114 ([172.18.140.217]) by fed1rmimpo305.cox.net with bizsmtp id 7S511j00H4hdPEs03S51RN; Tue, 08 May 2012 10:05:01 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4FA9280D.011D,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-CM-Score: NA Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 72.197.206.17 by webmail.west.cox.net; Tue, 8 May 2012 10:05:01 -0400 Message-ID: <20120508100501.3EW1P.615615.imail@fed1rmwml114> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 7:05:01 -0700 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <20120508095326.809062D0940@autox.team.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Actually, the hood is what we Yanks call the soft top. The cover over the engine is the bonnet. ---- Marc James Small wrote: >> > Lad, the 'boot' is the trunk. You popped the hood if you were > looking at the engine. (A panoply of 1960's VW Bug jokes pop into my > mind -- I only did around 100,000 miles in Alpines and other Rootes > Group cars but I did about 600,000 miles in air-cooled VeeDubs, back > in the day.) > > If you popped the boot and saw the engine, well, it is time to check > in for some medical assistance on your meds. > > Marc > > > It is a good world for doing good deeds. > -- Nathaniel the Faun > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 10:32:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FDC2D0974 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 10:32:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc4-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc4-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108AD2D0878 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:00:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY148-DS11 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 8 May 2012 08:01:32 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.42] X-Originating-Email: [wwwdg@webtv.net] Message-ID: From: David or Gary Franchi To: 'Carlo Bernardino' , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 15:01:32 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2012 15:01:32.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[748CCA80:01CD2D2B] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I would first try putting the bolts that are missing back in and tighten them up, you might get lucky and it won't leak, as Ron stated there was no gasket (if you have stock manifolds). If you put gaskets in the bolts will need to be re-tightened now and then as the gaskets compress over time, they can also burn out and leak. It is best not to use gaskets. If you can't fix the leak by replacing the missing bolts I would remove the manifold and check to make sure it is flat, not warped, clean the manifold and head surface with sandpaper then coat the manifold mating surfaces with a couple heavy coats of aluminum paint (it has to be aluminum paint, not silver) let dry about 10 min. and install it. I have fixed lots of leaking manifolds with this method. David Franchi -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 4:25 AM To: 'Carlo Bernardino', tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues Rob If you are running a stock Tiger engine and manifolds there is no exhaust manifold gasket but I believe they are available. You pull all the bolts except the first and last which are just loose, some gaskets slide onto those 2 bolts then install the rest of the bolts. There is a lock tap for the bolts - C2OZ-9A447-A - these come in a package of 8 and are still available. I have seen other companies with tabs and clips to keep their bolts from backing out. Note there are 2 different length bolt for the stock Tiger exhaust manifold. 3/8"x 1 1/4" 3/8"x 2" Torque bolts to 18 - 24 ft lbs. See Tigers United for Ford Parts List under engine http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carlo Bernardino Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:15 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues Dear Tiger Gurus, I was enjoying the Monterey weather this weekend and chasing down porsches when the engine started sounding rough. I short shifted home and popped the boot. Low and behold my exhaust manifold had ejected a number of bolts. So much for bolts being seized on the manifold. Anyway, I suspect I need to replace the gasket and bolts. So some questions for the gurus: 1) Is it possible to change the gasket with the engine in situ? 2) Any tricks in getting things 'just right'? 3) What are the bolts to be torqued to? Thanks for all your advice on advance. Rob Rob in Carmel, CA 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red TAC# 0519 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wwwdg@webtv.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 11:44:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5744E2D08DD for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 11:44:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8E12D0744 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 10:08:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004959 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q48G8mSv024096; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:09:07 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0225 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189454) id dm0225.4f90dc52.45fa99; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:09:06 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PqUUiG9PDTgIAAAAD,3da92ccd12bb5a814e95f84082368edf X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.148.84 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Carlo Bernardino'" , "'Marc James Small'" Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:08:19 -0400 Message-ID: <9C72BE5D4D0C40A8AD41D9CBEA699BA6@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <3C5E7C5B-F8A5-478E-8DD6-ECE98E0F0156@me.com> Thread-Index: Ac0tK9ORpASo3pLZTIS5SImUbisPmAACFiog X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-08_07:2012-05-08,2012-05-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205080166 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Don't lose your Naove Plate Extractor and for heaven sakes don't fall through your Squab Frame. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carlo Bernardino Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:25 AM To: Marc James Small Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues To further clarify the linguists: hood |hoMod| - a metal part covering the engine of an automobile. Brit. - a folding waterproof cover of an automobile, baby carriage, etc. bonnet |KbC$nit| - Brit. - the hood of an automobile. trunk |trINGk| - the space at the back of a car for carrying luggage and other goods. boot 1 |boMot| - Brit. - the trunk of a car. This is sourced from the dictionary of my Macintosh. Now I am off to operate on eyeballs. Will work on the exhaust tonight! Thanks Rob On May 8, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Marc James Small wrote: > At 09:08 AM 5/8/2012, Ross Hulse wrote: > >I think you meant he popped the bonnet. The hood is the folding top. > > > > Yes, sir! I do know better. > > Marc > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > Cha robh bC s fir gun ghrC s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4985 - Release Date: 05/08/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 11:46:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E332D08F6 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 11:46:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txofep01.suddenlink.net (txofep01.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88112D08D8 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 10:24:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Roscrea ([74.194.202.101]) by txofep01.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.00.01 201-2329-100-103-20120206) with ESMTP id <20120508162509.IACW29036.txofep01.suddenlink.net@Roscrea>; Tue, 8 May 2012 11:25:09 -0500 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "'Carlo Bernardino'" , References: <657DED3D-DCE6-4442-BF36-370DA85C370D@me.com> <20120508095332.3A8D42D0937@autox.team.net> <007f01cd2d1b$b8e38da0$2aaaa8e0$@sbcglobal.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 11:25:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01cd2d37$23c77da0$6b5678e0$@suddenlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHv217N+ei3+tGANn4e4/YINfJ8tgLPbm73AYOOeu8Bz+RkKpZJn57A Content-Language: en-us X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=6p5BqBp3VK6p0jBnMk5o/Dt6mLrqbqrhBjCrXBaOSr4= c=1 sm=0 a=XV9xdfpjLRwA:10 a=xzW3HwPJiLYA:10 a=VPHkNMUpP2kA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pcLIrrrKAAAA:8 a=8LaAqv5HAAAA:8 a=pyLuYn88rUwekUeyS6EA:9 a=KHob_gFNnB6I_LO_XNQA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ftFGBYpk1mUA:10 a=gPGHqaX6uacA:10 a=OYYubI9f_9g6qqov:21 a=XBKff_eMMaO6nl3I:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net 2" header bolts seem a little long to me, especially if you are using headers. I think Jim had it right with 3/4 ". Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carlo Bernardino Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 8:13 AM To: ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues I actually popped an aneurysm. Some more specifics: Aftermarket header - not sure what type. Left hand drive car. The bolts are 7/16" by 2. (The ones that are present). Rob On May 8, 2012, at 6:08 AM, Ross Hulse wrote: > I think you meant he popped the bonnet. The hood is the folding top. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Marc James Small > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:09 AM > To: Carlo Bernardino; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues > > At 01:15 AM 5/8/2012, Carlo Bernardino wrote: >> Dear Tiger Gurus, >> I was enjoying the Monterey weather this weekend and chasing down >> porsches when the engine started sounding rough. I short shifted home >> >and > popped the boot. Low and behold my exhaust manifold had ejected a > >number of bolts. So much for bolts being seized on the manifold. >> Anyway, I suspect I need to replace the gasket and bolts. So some >> questions for the gurus: > > Lad, the 'boot' is the trunk. You popped the hood if you were looking > at the engine. (A panoply of 1960's VW Bug jokes pop into my mind -- > I only did around 100,000 miles in Alpines and other Rootes Group cars > but I did about 600,000 miles in air-cooled VeeDubs, back in the day.) > > If you popped the boot and saw the engine, well, it is time to check > in for some medical assistance on your meds. > > Marc > > > It is a good world for doing good deeds. > -- Nathaniel the Faun _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 12:56:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A802D08F2 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 12:56:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76B82D08D8; Tue, 8 May 2012 11:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggeq1 with SMTP id q1so2357963gge.14 for ; Tue, 08 May 2012 10:17:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=9h0ag13byy348Bw8XAR3mS8INSUPoJSm0Lu4RRXyEAo=; b=Bvqd24UzCzAn9JnGGFka93uzF+L2a7ePMPXPdtYem3SJ9nxcQR85cWw33PZckbihnZ 6b1FvRj3zBFKGvgnnIZwHiEaXNBG4G0Z9KtRybJOvANvhgzsZsrwA0GwaTr3QGca+pZN Z3Z9lQBIkrA1J3j3pI9Mu/1tavuILFZqbBmRqH0XzeVJwxdzQ8wfHSavRPE1pmbNaetJ 2PTaDIvOaqEUTt4EOgxkB0kD+2zpUkYbjGQOzTpMq/WP7/ko3d6tl2OF3EvPwm2Ji+Wu RYjlCguK15ZbCasndkRo8XWXxWFfYYIxU5GEjce+WIFtscaqGYfBWf/BTwXMpQO2cigE FhCg== Received: by 10.50.219.226 with SMTP id pr2mr1037799igc.51.1336497435097; Tue, 08 May 2012 10:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.186 (bda-74-82-80-88.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xf6sm15550869igb.13.2012.05.08.10.17.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 May 2012 10:17:14 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Sensitivity: Normal To: "David or Gary Franchi" ,tigers-bounces@autox.team.net,"'Carlo Bernardino'" ,tigers@autox.team.net From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 17:17:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jay.laifman@gmail.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120508185644.44A802D08F2@autox.team.net> Can you give more details on this aluminum paint? How do I identify of it is the right type? Where is it sold? Would it be good for an exhaust application that uses a gasket, but tends to leak? How is the clean up the next time it has to be pulled apart? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: David or Gary Franchi Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Tue, 08 May 2012 15:01:32 To: 'Carlo Bernardino'; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues I would first try putting the bolts that are missing back in and tighten them up, you might get lucky and it won't leak, as Ron stated there was no gasket (if you have stock manifolds). If you put gaskets in the bolts will need to be re-tightened now and then as the gaskets compress over time, they can also burn out and leak. It is best not to use gaskets. If you can't fix the leak by replacing the missing bolts I would remove the manifold and check to make sure it is flat, not warped, clean the manifold and head surface with sandpaper then coat the manifold mating surfaces with a couple heavy coats of aluminum paint (it has to be aluminum paint, not silver) let dry about 10 min. and install it. I have fixed lots of leaking manifolds with this method. David Franchi -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 4:25 AM To: 'Carlo Bernardino', tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues Rob If you are running a stock Tiger engine and manifolds there is no exhaust manifold gasket but I believe they are available. You pull all the bolts except the first and last which are just loose, some gaskets slide onto those 2 bolts then install the rest of the bolts. There is a lock tap for the bolts - C2OZ-9A447-A - these come in a package of 8 and are still available. I have seen other companies with tabs and clips to keep their bolts from backing out. Note there are 2 different length bolt for the stock Tiger exhaust manifold. 3/8"x 1 1/4" 3/8"x 2" Torque bolts to 18 - 24 ft lbs. See Tigers United for Ford Parts List under engine http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carlo Bernardino Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:15 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues Dear Tiger Gurus, I was enjoying the Monterey weather this weekend and chasing down porsches when the engine started sounding rough. I short shifted home and popped the boot. Low and behold my exhaust manifold had ejected a number of bolts. So much for bolts being seized on the manifold. Anyway, I suspect I need to replace the gasket and bolts. So some questions for the gurus: 1) Is it possible to change the gasket with the engine in situ? 2) Any tricks in getting things 'just right'? 3) What are the bolts to be torqued to? Thanks for all your advice on advance. Rob Rob in Carmel, CA 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red TAC# 0519 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wwwdg@webtv.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 14:11:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79B92D08E8 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 14:11:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BEE2D084D for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 11:57:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q48HvwGQ023490; Tue, 8 May 2012 10:58:33 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0219 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018914f) id dm0219.4f90dc63.46ea8e; Tue, 8 May 2012 10:58:24 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PqV7Ay9PtBwIAAAAE,eb547b31a48d5445b27a7238a1c025bc X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.145.79 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , "'Carlo Bernardino'" , "'Marc James Small'" Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:58:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <9C72BE5D4D0C40A8AD41D9CBEA699BA6@ronpc1> Thread-Index: Ac0tK9ORpASo3pLZTIS5SImUbisPmAACFiogAAPhZyA= X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-08_07:2012-05-08,2012-05-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205080196 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well that did not translate well and I spelled Nave plate wrong Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:08 PM To: 'Carlo Bernardino'; 'Marc James Small' Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues Don't lose your Naove Plate Extractor and for heaven sakes don't fall through your Squab Frame. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carlo Bernardino Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:25 AM To: Marc James Small Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues To further clarify the linguists: hood |hoMod| - a metal part covering the engine of an automobile. Brit. - a folding waterproof cover of an automobile, baby carriage, etc. bonnet |KbC$nit| - Brit. - the hood of an automobile. trunk |trINGk| - the space at the back of a car for carrying luggage and other goods. boot 1 |boMot| - Brit. - the trunk of a car. This is sourced from the dictionary of my Macintosh. Now I am off to operate on eyeballs. Will work on the exhaust tonight! Thanks Rob On May 8, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Marc James Small wrote: > At 09:08 AM 5/8/2012, Ross Hulse wrote: > >I think you meant he popped the bonnet. The hood is the folding top. > > > > Yes, sir! I do know better. > > Marc > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > Cha robh bC s fir gun ghrC s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4985 - Release Date: 05/08/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4985 - Release Date: 05/08/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 14:16:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F092D0904 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 14:16:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BD32D08CE for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 12:12:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q48IBHG3029201; Tue, 8 May 2012 11:12:44 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0225 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189621) id dm0225.4f90dc52.464d5e; Tue, 8 May 2012 11:12:37 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PqWIVlS8HZQIAAAAE,a2aedc0bf5e00ff6edb08daf7259ad68 X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.150.33 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jerry Mo Christopherson'" , "'Carlo Bernardino'" , Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:12:30 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <000c01cd2d37$23c77da0$6b5678e0$@suddenlink.net> Thread-Index: AQHv217N+ei3+tGANn4e4/YINfJ8tgLPbm73AYOOeu8Bz+RkKpZJn57AgAAbIbA= X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-08_07:2012-05-08,2012-05-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205080201 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net 2" bolts are only for the stock exhaust manifold at the thicker bolt mount. I see Rob has headers so the bolts need to be shorter. The stock Ford iron head take 3/8" bolts - 5/16" bolt would not work they would just fall out. The depth of the 3/8" bolt holes in the stock head is about 1". Are the Head non-stock? You need to check the size and depth for the bolt holes if your using a different head. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Mo Christopherson Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:25 PM To: 'Carlo Bernardino'; ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues 2" header bolts seem a little long to me, especially if you are using headers. I think Jim had it right with 3/4 ". Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carlo Bernardino Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 8:13 AM To: ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues I actually popped an aneurysm. Some more specifics: Aftermarket header - not sure what type. Left hand drive car. The bolts are 7/16" by 2. (The ones that are present). Rob On May 8, 2012, at 6:08 AM, Ross Hulse wrote: > I think you meant he popped the bonnet. The hood is the folding top. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Marc James Small > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:09 AM > To: Carlo Bernardino; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues > > At 01:15 AM 5/8/2012, Carlo Bernardino wrote: >> Dear Tiger Gurus, >> I was enjoying the Monterey weather this weekend and chasing down >> porsches when the engine started sounding rough. I short shifted home >> >and > popped the boot. Low and behold my exhaust manifold had ejected a > >number of bolts. So much for bolts being seized on the manifold. >> Anyway, I suspect I need to replace the gasket and bolts. So some >> questions for the gurus: > > Lad, the 'boot' is the trunk. You popped the hood if you were looking > at the engine. (A panoply of 1960's VW Bug jokes pop into my mind -- > I only did around 100,000 miles in Alpines and other Rootes Group cars > but I did about 600,000 miles in air-cooled VeeDubs, back in the day.) > > If you popped the boot and saw the engine, well, it is time to check > in for some medical assistance on your meds. > > Marc > > > It is a good world for doing good deeds. > -- Nathaniel the Faun _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4985 - Release Date: 05/08/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 14:17:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0ED42D08DF for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 14:17:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s10.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s10.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005272D0840; Tue, 8 May 2012 12:18:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY148-DS7 ([65.54.190.189]) by bay0-omc3-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 8 May 2012 11:18:52 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.14] X-Originating-Email: [wwwdg@webtv.net] Message-ID: From: David or Gary To: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 18:18:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2012 18:18:52.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[059CEA30:01CD2D47] Cc: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, I use Orchard Supply Hardware or Krylon aluminum spray paint, the color is called aluminum. They have aluminum powder in the paint. The Orchard can says aluminum metallic. I have also used it on exhaust gaskets but you might be better using high heat copper silicon sealer on the gasket. This works pretty good, even on used gaskets. David _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 14:17:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E277A2D06F3 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 14:17:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A8A2D08D8; Tue, 8 May 2012 12:22:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggeq1 with SMTP id q1so2414641gge.14 for ; Tue, 08 May 2012 11:23:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:cc:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=Mc26r1o2OgYMUN6A5l0JYYn8qIjlkl5+t+LJc/m5NRk=; b=YGaONbbepbk3iVOBJLe63vWSDOA7dtFIQYyBICo8zsDX9ZbOxBVIHiew+dAmdM8wdf TYLEsi9N6pCE2CSHMcyNT1YHjxQ/8kIHTck5Idd2MB8NLj8HR4yJzm/nOz66eT47PCqM 1k/4iCkRpv4a8h+F4arY4Cv9NdnZD+JXuVzBanZiogKTSRYz03SW5ULFTaXCsQwo19aN eaIjQd3odAlMChXb+3D/S40nQoREycJaEbXeXwBKVWMEk7+1YlRbiGKhxIB9DRS+wHXW viuXVt61a3bhOnt59S/FO5hsOe6G3N2Ny2ZQlZ+fnnjF1LffFSQBqHYXEZIUwpK0XCtt hElg== Received: by 10.50.94.163 with SMTP id dd3mr3744366igb.8.1336501404198; Tue, 08 May 2012 11:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.186 (bda-74-82-80-88.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cw5sm9024072igc.17.2012.05.08.11.23.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 May 2012 11:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Sensitivity: Normal To: "David or Gary" From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:23:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jay.laifman@gmail.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120508201730.E277A2D06F3@autox.team.net> When I have looked at high heat copper sealant, they generally say for the intake side, not the exhaust side. Do they work anyway? Or have I just not found the right one yet? ------Original Message------ From: David or Gary To: Jay Laifman Cc: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Cc: 'Carlo Bernardino' Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues Sent: May 8, 2012 1:18 PM Jay, I use Orchard Supply Hardware or Krylon aluminum spray paint, the color is called aluminum. They have aluminum powder in the paint. The Orchard can says aluminum metallic. I have also used it on exhaust gaskets but you might be better using high heat copper silicon sealer on the gasket. This works pretty good, even on used gaskets. David Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 14:18:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941DE2D0963 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 14:18:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC662D08B5; Tue, 8 May 2012 12:44:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY148-DS19 ([65.54.190.189]) by bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 8 May 2012 11:45:08 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.240.205.13] X-Originating-Email: [wwwdg@webtv.net] Message-ID: From: David or Gary To: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 18:45:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2012 18:45:08.0067 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0CD0B30:01CD2D4A] Cc: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I use Permatex Ultra Copper, it is rated to 700 degrees. I worked at a muffler shop and used it on manifolds, cat converters, anything hot. Worked for me 98% of the time. Won't work on big gaps for a long period of time, the better the fit the better it works. David ========= When I have looked at high heat copper sealant, they generally say for the intake side, not the exhaust side. Do they work anyway? Or have I just not found the right one yet? ------Original Message------ From: David or Gary To: Jay Laifman Cc: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Cc: 'Carlo Bernardino' Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues Sent: May 8, 2012 1:18 PM Jay, I use Orchard Supply Hardware or Krylon aluminum spray paint, the color is called aluminum. They have aluminum powder in the paint. The Orchard can says aluminum metallic. I have also used it on exhaust gaskets but you might be better using high heat copper silicon sealer on the gasket. This works pretty good, even on used gaskets. David Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 15:26:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D382D08A4 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 15:26:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA042D08A5 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 13:41:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from student2 ([unknown] [98.119.35.221]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3P008AAYPK46G2@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 08 May 2012 14:41:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <20120508185645.E102A2D08F4@autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 12:41:54 -0700 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Manifold Issues X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have used anti seize compound (common Permatex) on the mating surfaces were no exhaust gaskets are called for. While I don't drive my hobby cars much (500 miles per year) it seems to hold up well. Because it forces out the coating when bolted it is quite thin and cleans up well. The results are similar to using the compound on exhaust bolts. My understanding is that exhaust manifold gaskets (for cars that did not originally used them) are available to compensate for warpage. Hence they are a compensating. So I would consider the anti seize compound for situations where the manifold and the mating surface are rather straight. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 19:14:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC612D08BE for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 19:14:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6692A2D08B0 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 17:22:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q48NMbPg019464; Tue, 8 May 2012 19:23:01 -0400 Received: from core-msa003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.73]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C4FE5E00008D; Tue, 8 May 2012 19:23:00 -0400 (EDT) References: <12383144.2189316.1335984896876.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><9B17C42E57954D14862CEAD2E81655C1@DavePC> <002c01cd2d12$64f68070$2ee38150$@net.au> To: walmenke@bigpond.net.au, dave@munroe.ca, tigers@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <002c01cd2d12$64f68070$2ee38150$@net.au> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: phastphill@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36049-STANDARD Received: from 184.151.61.156 by webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com (205.188.59.131) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 08 May 2012 19:23:00 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEFB88A4C11500-169C-D38A@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [184.151.61.156] Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 19:23:00 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336519381; bh=jASM7BkrEvgdlB7N4gUGuurT4/485WNG/XrqsVPsFOE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UbOgZtnWifPjMNsA3Hlc3+Ei3b4ETgLzvfIdwJ7L5MsmmmfcW3E+ZwXDNpqhvV/pI 4OgfTNxcLFD3ZVLKOiT1oxGnk+sT0MMmVBkbeSK8naK1Ti0n9HY49pviaKwSKXJvug Pbto7Mg9jEPJugpB09o09k5AYW1/DCDX4VarnIWo= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:426597760:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e4fa9aad43a36 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Soft Top X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net amen -----Original Message----- From: Wally Menke To: 'Dave Munroe' ; 'Tigers' Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 9:42 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Soft Top Dave I would recommend spending the extra $$ and using the Robbins canvas top. I would not bother with the vinyl version as they never fit properly or nearly as well. The canvas material has a lot more stretch in it and remains taunt all the time. I have one and it fit and looks really well. Wally Menke _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/phastphill@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 21:46:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA6E2D08E3 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 21:46:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81102D0892 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 19:36:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm7 with SMTP id m7so9834yen.14 for ; Tue, 08 May 2012 18:37:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=munroe.ca; s=google; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=95FHU2GZUHm7knOFV1zE3UF9NEGN1a1YP4AodYKlrgI=; b=H3BIFghNgze+LfIj1IicR5dSwiZYz2gaSXRlWzsE/dobJn/zgG1Qkyezj42+3J03zm OmDXQoYlJU/PmGEk0elaIWOrjyDk+kWeEuTybvnn5cYHWqvt37xtKITOzE43ZuolcQHH IFfWds6k/d+25xicJuJlO0R3SWSe9ech3k6U8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version :x-gm-message-state; bh=95FHU2GZUHm7knOFV1zE3UF9NEGN1a1YP4AodYKlrgI=; b=GzFZXiLgANoFR39Pxwr1xIMayfoL1hU/8DlPOas65hvVMnsgA+bWFFrqOcFq9J7ugF OSI3pB7WJiT0b9qmoCexFyd3G5MdizH5N2MMVRkeER/UbxCCH0gMZiBP7yuNIHxcfDnJ 1jeeOpdeKPAy/CXOAwIIjGWmbFdQYWI0KHtgevCDSdgzDAarAvG6Kie4Q/1pXYqueoVo nHXtja6/WODct2i1FbYxGAs39e9C7QZU2Co47OjLtsxTBHCMK3CKXHP/of1IuFS8Z9Mx 3v3yo4T+Ky4WglH6pSYUoFM2gwKQUvBgmDDp/1QyoPDiSn1fqU7ljOmtGzddkHClR9eL vlxg== Received: by 10.42.159.4 with SMTP id j4mr9003137icx.18.1336527425913; Tue, 08 May 2012 18:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.205.201 (bda-74-82-82-240.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.82.240]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gb4sm9832398igc.1.2012.05.08.18.37.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 May 2012 18:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Sensitivity: Normal To: "'Tigers'" From: dave@munroe.ca Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 01:37:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkB1AeGEDTpUhN64aFNtZfc+Ionk7lCeg3S3+XbXuUyoogNKDrsHEpvZcY8yXJlZiloM+yM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Soft Top X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: dave@munroe.ca List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120509034630.BBA6E2D08E3@autox.team.net> Thanks to all for the advice and tips on soft tops. There actually was a consensus on the issue of getting a good fitting top: Buy a cloth (canvas, mohair, whatever) and have a pro install it. Several listers said they had sprung for the expensive Robbins cloth top and they look and fit great, although they cost roughly double what a vinyl top costs. There was also agreement that you could successfully do it yourself, but it takes patience and attention to detail to get it right. The best tip (among many good ones) came from Gene Padgett: he suggested using the old top as a guide for the screw holes etc, and if your old top has wrinkles you don't like, play around with the old one to try and remove them, and note what you did so you can apply the changes to your new top for a good fit. Thanks again to all, and I hope the above is useful to some others. Dave B382000450 Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 00:13:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305522D08CC for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 00:13:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2DA2D08A2 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 22:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so1396666wgb.20 for ; Tue, 08 May 2012 21:32:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=BkVgX3i/aB8HPvNR4RnaHCKVVQrAyrifP3tPd5L405w=; b=mVE1BZqyCiuQjpiRXz7Y6HKHYv39an2Ls5DhEss5FbttgOxqOjpRcjbNa9GCscqGA4 9sMD4RrtFE6g8JnkNoEjCMEuTGwf2rtF6amBxhlkq07Ck62FUvyGfFsXFwMJqAj/kPBK 9pKvsfzaKHTrIFGXaLJXVKLEqtpOhsnyJO7ybluEMva0oNxkQNlnah7ezgedzZtQievy Rl/NwwXtwE3yJFrqFKJ8ZeJ2/rnEa7VQ1Od7pUcbNMahGGWHmWN49FvbMutHss9BUCRg U0W+tiUdFZxQZEQyIHpyFtyhfcAgrIqAsurpUZ5RiRzUoZr+VZta3p+Y13S2XgqdxwX/ c8Kg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.88.199 with SMTP id bi7mr50634881wib.12.1336537934616; Tue, 08 May 2012 21:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.25.84 with HTTP; Tue, 8 May 2012 21:32:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120509034647.819102D0677@autox.team.net> References: <20120509034647.819102D0677@autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 14:32:14 +1000 Message-ID: From: michael king To: dave@munroe.ca X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Soft Top X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Can i add.. now is the time to make sure your alignment of the 1/4 windows and the windscreen is all good..(the little adjusters sunbeam spcialties sells make this much easier) replace windscreen seals and screen to body seals if they are strating to harden before you fit the top.. and make sure that the frame has a nice snug fit on the vertical edge of the windows. Often the pivot mechanism is bent from people forcing the tops leading to poor fit around the windows... spend some time aligning the frame nicely then fit the top... no point doing it after ;-) On 9 May 2012 11:37, wrote: > Thanks to all for the advice and tips on soft tops. > > There actually was a consensus on the issue of getting a good fitting top: > Buy a cloth (canvas, mohair, whatever) and have a pro install it. Several > listers said they had sprung for the expensive Robbins cloth top and they > look and fit great, although they cost roughly double what a vinyl top > costs. > > There was also agreement that you could successfully do it yourself, but > it takes patience and attention to detail to get it right. > > The best tip (among many good ones) came from Gene Padgett: he suggested > using the old top as a guide for the screw holes etc, and if your old top > has wrinkles you don't like, play around with the old one to try and remove > them, and note what you did so you can apply the changes to your new top > for a good fit. > > Thanks again to all, and I hope the above is useful to some others. > > Dave > B382000450 > Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 22:15:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97BF62D07C5 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 22:15:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256002D0799 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 20:28:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q4A2TSpE007294 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 19:29:28 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0224 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189490) id dm0224.4f90dc56.4aff42 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 19:29:13 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1Pqyf5YwMfGAIAAAAB,87325c0cccb9a970b4e91cadde86c68a X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.148.144 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 22:29:04 -0400 Message-ID: <3DE75F048C624FCCB515886124D34773@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Thread-Index: Ac0rlJvb72cDfzKESpCeF1qvth6T2gCviyyw In-Reply-To: X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-09_08:2012-05-09,2012-05-09,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205090357 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II wiring X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I just wanted to thank phastphill for providing me with an excellent picture of the Mk II ammeter harness connection at the starter relay. There is a single post junction piece mounted to the firewall above the starter relay that connects all the load brown wires with one ammeter wire and the other ammeter wire goes to the battery post side of the starter relay. Now I can make sense of all this. Reworking the harness on the Mk II I'm working on is another matter but I will work on that. Thanks all again for your help Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:29 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Mk II wiring I want to thank all who have helped me with the Ammeter wiring on a Mk II that I'm working on. I have move the harness to behind the dash and out the right side of the firewall, it just made that distance. I still don't like the harness spliced in at the alternator. The harness should be connected at the starter relay I'm told. I would like to see a picture of how the Ammeter harness is connected at the starter relay - Anyone? Thanks Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4977 - Release Date: 05/04/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 06:58:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184322D07D8 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 06:58:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AFA2D0774 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 05:38:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homef2683adebd ([unknown] [71.101.54.107]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3T00BLT1PD5321@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 10 May 2012 06:39:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <3129069AC65441D6905F82DC8CCE39DB@homef2683adebd> From: "Scattt" To: , References: <3DE75F048C624FCCB515886124D34773@ronpc1> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 07:39:18 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II wiring X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ron: That is not a "concours correct" installation of the amp meter installation. I installed that extra post on Phils car and several others in the area to simplify the wiring and assure all the current(with the exception of the starter) runs through the amp meter. It has worked well on my car for 10+ years. I used a pair of brown 10 gage wire taped together to run to and from the gage. The extra post is normally well hidden under the brake booster. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II wiring > I just wanted to thank phastphill for providing me with an excellent > picture of the Mk II ammeter harness connection at the starter relay. > There is a single post junction piece mounted to the firewall above the > starter relay that connects all the load brown wires with one ammeter wire > and the other ammeter wire goes to the battery post side of the starter > relay. Now I can make sense of all this. Reworking the harness on the > Mk > II I'm working on is another matter but I will work on that. > > Thanks all again for your help > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:29 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Mk II wiring > > > I want to thank all who have helped me with the Ammeter wiring on a Mk > II that I'm working on. > > I have move the harness to behind the dash and out the right side of the > firewall, it just made that distance. > > I still don't like the harness spliced in at the alternator. The harness > should be connected at the starter relay I'm told. > > I would like to see a picture of how the Ammeter harness is connected at > the > starter relay - Anyone? > > Thanks > > Ron Fraser > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4977 - Release Date: 05/04/12 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/scattt@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 06:58:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1062D0835 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 06:58:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FE22D070C for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 05:51:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q4ABoCqK010246; Thu, 10 May 2012 04:52:05 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id sj1-dm103.4f90dc95.4bd01e; Thu, 10 May 2012 04:51:56 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1Pq6vc/VeG0wIAAAAC,74837d23ec106a051ffa41516b25fb91 X-Originating-Ip: 67.72.98.45 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.148.130]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Thu, 10 May 2012 11:51:52 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Scattt'" , Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 07:51:47 -0400 Message-ID: <04E8DDD1086044449215308FEC2D395C@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Thread-Index: Ac0uoYbP8O/SoR1BTRG3hHvY30lgFgAAGKQg In-Reply-To: <3129069AC65441D6905F82DC8CCE39DB@homef2683adebd> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-10_04:2012-05-10,2012-05-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205100081 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II wiring X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Nick Thank you for clarifying that point. I'm not that concerned with "concours correct" but it would be nice to see a picture of that configuration. Anyone have a picture or description of the stock original configuration? I'm more concerned with the poor install that I see on this Mk II. I like your idea of the single post junction block, it is very secure and robust to handle the amp load, well done. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Scattt [mailto:scattt@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:39 AM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II wiring Ron: That is not a "concours correct" installation of the amp meter installation. I installed that extra post on Phils car and several others in the area to simplify the wiring and assure all the current(with the exception of the starter) runs through the amp meter. It has worked well on my car for 10+ years. I used a pair of brown 10 gage wire taped together to run to and from the gage. The extra post is normally well hidden under the brake booster. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II wiring > I just wanted to thank phastphill for providing me with an excellent > picture of the Mk II ammeter harness connection at the starter relay. > There is a single post junction piece mounted to the firewall above > the starter relay that connects all the load brown wires with one > ammeter wire and the other ammeter wire goes to the battery post side of the starter > relay. Now I can make sense of all this. Reworking the harness on the > Mk > II I'm working on is another matter but I will work on that. > > Thanks all again for your help > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:29 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Mk II wiring > > > I want to thank all who have helped me with the Ammeter wiring on a > Mk II that I'm working on. > > I have move the harness to behind the dash and out the right side of > the firewall, it just made that distance. > > I still don't like the harness spliced in at the alternator. The > harness should be connected at the starter relay I'm told. > > I would like to see a picture of how the Ammeter harness is connected > at > the > starter relay - Anyone? > > Thanks > > Ron Fraser > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4977 - Release Date: > 05/04/12 _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/scattt@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 17:06:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B628C2D0283 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 17:06:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txofep02.suddenlink.net (txofep02.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50ECA2D06DA for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:02:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Roscrea ([74.194.202.101]) by txofep02.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.00.01 201-2329-100-103-20120206) with ESMTP id <20120510210243.LLYY15167.txofep02.suddenlink.net@Roscrea> for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 16:02:43 -0500 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "Tiger Autox" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 16:02:37 -0500 Message-ID: <001701cd2ef0$3ab595a0$b020c0e0$@suddenlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQH2VbHCGFgdGD8E1iTwf5DnttVIIJZxM3ag Content-Language: en-us X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=RojXBwG+nIwt+xsEwCqIpov8LOUeUap00ztuWOFv/K4= c=1 sm=0 a=vr56Sb2_5uEA:10 a=xzW3HwPJiLYA:10 a=VPHkNMUpP2kA:10 a=GmxFw0MWAAAA:8 a=44X249CYENHY7yU1Mf4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=ZyOfkT05ER47Zt_Nnm4A:9 a=3k0GDSkzWEmVBDcBmi4A:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] FW: America's Ultimate Barn Find : Video Clips From The Coolest One X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is so amazing I had to share with all. How on earth one man could have acquired this much and just be a "junk man" is beyond me! Eight short videos. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN OLD CARS & BIKES THIS IS SUPER! Kind of long but far too cool if your into old autos and motorcycles ----- Forwarded Message ----- There are 8 clips here one after the other. I want to find a shed full of stuff like this one day. http://www.coolestone.com/media/3728/America039;s-Ultimate-Barn-Find/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 20:53:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C7A2D0408 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 20:53:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690442C0526 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:10:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4B1BOEj012194; Thu, 10 May 2012 21:11:24 -0400 Received: from core-msa003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.73]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 99EFBE000088; Thu, 10 May 2012 21:11:24 -0400 (EDT) References: <3DE75F048C624FCCB515886124D34773@ronpc1> <3129069AC65441D6905F82DC8CCE39DB@homef2683adebd> To: scattt@verizon.net, rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <3129069AC65441D6905F82DC8CCE39DB@homef2683adebd> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: phastphill@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36049-STANDARD Received: from 184.151.61.23 by webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.25) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 10 May 2012 21:11:24 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEFD2A1E53BF85-2BD8-2BC7C@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [184.151.61.23] Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:11:24 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336698684; bh=q3w4A4OyAsjjcd17sKvjB7pF2g+RcX44lZaVikuF59A=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=w1e676SHT8Q2trfFFaG1JkY7l8rJt2O8l5NYQ+aDdBm7nRzCNV+AGSxJ5rDGSW0pF Yau4nD9mQIpoE/xZdjkBAZGW/bKKz/9EUAxG81cJu0a6kgUIuinVSXFFRXM/BOWb7t 49obRUoVbul9Urig8HR4FmeEbGNYVsTj11Gd9i7g= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:493746688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a4fac673c3384 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II wiring X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net as i mentioned before Ron,k Nick was the guy to go to for mk2 stuff, buy the way Nick car is back on the road with new valence, new rf nos fender and repaired lf fender. car was stripped to bare metal and re sprayed commadore or as close....ie dark blue, base clear, water borne, with a clear that is reactive to full sun, so park in the sun and the clear meelts into the scraches.....looka about a foot deep, new diff from team tiger works great as well.. some fiddling, and it's done.till next winter and a new winton wool carpet to go with the nice seats -----Original Message----- From: Scattt To: rfraser ; tigers Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 8:59 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II wiring Ron: That is not a "concours correct" installation of the amp meter installation. I installed that extra post on Phils car and several others in the area to simplify the wiring and assure all the current(with the exception of the starter) runs through the amp meter. It has worked well on my car for 10+ years. I used a pair of brown 10 gage wire taped together to run to and from the gage. The extra post is normally well hidden under the brake booster. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II wiring > I just wanted to thank phastphill for providing me with an excellent > picture of the Mk II ammeter harness connection at the starter relay. > There is a single post junction piece mounted to the firewall above the > starter relay that connects all the load brown wires with one ammeter wire > and the other ammeter wire goes to the battery post side of the starter > relay. Now I can make sense of all this. Reworking the harness on the > Mk > II I'm working on is another matter but I will work on that. > > Thanks all again for your help > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:29 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Mk II wiring > > > I want to thank all who have helped me with the Ammeter wiring on a Mk > II that I'm working on. > > I have move the harness to behind the dash and out the right side of the > firewall, it just made that distance. > > I still don't like the harness spliced in at the alternator. The harness > should be connected at the starter relay I'm told. > > I would like to see a picture of how the Ammeter harness is connected at > the > starter relay - Anyone? > > Thanks > > Ron Fraser > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4977 - Release Date: 05/04/12 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/scattt@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/phastphill@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 23:20:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34F62D06D4 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 23:20:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9D52D06B3 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 21:27:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8THJ1j0031ei1Bg53TUJc8; Fri, 11 May 2012 03:28:18 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([71.233.107.30]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8TUH1j01A0fNubr3kTUJce; Fri, 11 May 2012 03:28:18 +0000 Message-ID: <63CB4817A14A4B7D8406FD0F1BFC8D10@sbrennanPC> From: "Stu Brennan" To: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" , "Tiger Autox" References: <001701cd2ef0$3ab595a0$b020c0e0$@suddenlink.net> In-Reply-To: <001701cd2ef0$3ab595a0$b020c0e0$@suddenlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 23:28:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: America's Ultimate Barn Find : Video Clips From The Coolest One X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Didn't Wayne Carini get involved with that collection? I didn't see all of every video, but having watched Chasing Classic Cars, it all looked familiar. Didn't Wayne show up in the background of one of the scenes? Stu -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Mo Christopherson Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:02 PM To: Tiger Autox Subject: [Tigers] FW: America's Ultimate Barn Find : Video Clips From The Coolest One This is so amazing I had to share with all. How on earth one man could have acquired this much and just be a "junk man" is beyond me! Eight short videos. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN OLD CARS & BIKES THIS IS SUPER! Kind of long but far too cool if your into old autos and motorcycles ----- Forwarded Message ----- There are 8 clips here one after the other. I want to find a shed full of stuff like this one day. http://www.coolestone.com/media/3728/America039;s-Ultimate-Barn-Find/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stubrennan@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 05:47:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080D02D077A for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 05:47:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: TIGERS@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857A82D0697 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 04:06:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm7 with SMTP id m7so3498753yen.14 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 03:07:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=02IZ266FBXMzZTOzdGftaDbDi/G5P8xUIbwRljWlm10=; b=rZEXrBwVgpta7JNTrXdstbecrDHVnIpK08YBUGpj85Lnz70KktYviSTZe9l9tirhAD 926BvJMruVmlq18bzqHO5KrzuJXpE0F6WBg3xxriDO61WY4eh8z5b4r9eNhS4oBxwbcK /7WIWsdJJbtF7ZtNIf3uja/qoa/ukMJ82u65rok8CFqvAVppvu0PwTqvsUWSveeHmvm8 DKRxV7pex+zDH0JYCAjdoSsqsgEPjBWIp7JX1pUPfgyhJOBuzOJorW8HIDL7kqq6hPAx lJkkvjam91k0Ma6AOOp23eBv0aoBNt2qnFyys78UZ+9a6sqZKtLb5kAiXkjfsiTKFQx0 sgmw== Received: by 10.60.5.231 with SMTP id v7mr10393632oev.61.1336730855133; Fri, 11 May 2012 03:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.32.158.246] (mobile-166-147-066-009.mycingular.net. [166.147.66.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hd9sm8441920obc.6.2012.05.11.03.07.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 May 2012 03:07:33 -0700 (PDT) References: <001701cd2ef0$3ab595a0$b020c0e0$@suddenlink.net> <63CB4817A14A4B7D8406FD0F1BFC8D10@sbrennanPC> In-Reply-To: <63CB4817A14A4B7D8406FD0F1BFC8D10@sbrennanPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Cullen1972 Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 05:07:24 -0500 To: Stu Brennan Cc: Tiger Autox Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: America's Ultimate Barn Find : Video Clips From The Coolest One X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wayne had a whole episode on it. He wound up buying a 6 figure antique motorcycle with a sidecar. The collection truly was incredible. I've never seen anything like it. It takes more dedication to a passion than I can even imagine, borderline obsession I'd say. ;). Cullen Sent from my iPhone. On May 10, 2012, at 10:28 PM, "Stu Brennan" wrote: > Didn't Wayne Carini get involved with that collection? I didn't see all of every video, but having watched Chasing Classic Cars, it all looked familiar. Didn't Wayne show up in the background of one of the scenes? > > Stu > > -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Mo Christopherson > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:02 PM > To: Tiger Autox > Subject: [Tigers] FW: America's Ultimate Barn Find : Video Clips From The Coolest One > > This is so amazing I had to share with all. How on earth one man could have > acquired this much and just be a "junk man" is beyond me! > > > > Eight short videos. > > > > Jerry Christopherson > > 9473187 > > > > > IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN OLD CARS & BIKES THIS IS SUPER! > > > > Kind of long but far too cool if your into old autos and motorcycles > > > > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > > There are 8 clips here one after the other. > > I want to find a shed full of stuff like this one day. > > http://www.coolestone.com/media/3728/America039;s-Ultimate-Barn-Find/ > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stubrennan@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 11:10:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14FE2D02CF for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 11:10:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F96F2D03C4 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 09:31:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 15:31:39 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.47] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 15:31:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1047.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 15:31:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 743632.77972.bm@omp1047.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 35241 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2012 15:31:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336750298; bh=24ncwouIJU7+cVPwqw5k6++UuU4v7xjOxrK3mZGS/b0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=l895cWSyWHNTOR5NfaM6fmt8ffduo2OegyjxDWU6gbtA1GMO0B2U6KF/y0SBrs8AfG4cri3d8cCjvRNgt/o+pR/uP6wNku4gByzc0dWGEMITZrBX5gNUrzTVbYX0FdoVDn1RyNLplqpn/DFhQCimre4EaV8pA6rQC4KvJVYlGXk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0hvohpqL3wyhZSkbYaYxsCGnUHVIEaPHp5KQmVjW/HBp97YCkSTxs+LWh6QXGqAiZDsMfNEcir8P+29eEW3IGu/VE52PXXcFGmJ6T4SPGJfCTpL0YC200HpJvEEb+VskW79t8MNN8alIVnH2dpI7+Tpbey4BmMv57QFjF/yH7fU=; X-YMail-OSG: lnovFugVM1npZwa4ttB6PUTfADX1zNITjJwX72nN1FN7RlQ yy_BwjWRtBZl2A6StBicTir4iF5Q_wNWZX_HYkBLwz1FMHNs9u4P.gVDLzB1 sU9lMLYLPzb_LT5vKTO9nxvV9v2mAKM1d.heoWGT29CzPidgWG3sH.28PpO8 Dxxe68b7zVvWm7UEnQdGoIimxSQPlgnlZFtUQT0g5L.klMYTisWWF3I4Vq0P hauxp2D6Cp2Ckx8KXOqN_L.uklvK6dixYymIFKhH2x6esT_OIaHkoXYkGCm5 0xxcvYzyW7LB0O_K1d3DKhjGeGi9aGZLoWqa9Rewiut5Rq5wsEgbJ2b05tWT _6OGLqh6aiYEeH6y_sreYOh.wUJBt9W9trAqPSk8o082XdlOTyziH9N7iLM9 3VvodBT3Q1ERyBNpfELsKvLMq2cIjUqK3ttfelghx2QcL2acN6XP2GIGmoCt SpKkI531M4XVzdN3CWFD571XN_OMNLEX1GC1R2MzUQbrKGRErxpZW8GSxXzi dpTMYWXy1tTVOehsVEA65vv88iB69eDHxE2nO4J6N4Ec52EqQZuA- Received: from [180.32.148.75] by web112506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:31:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1336750297.35035.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web112506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 08:31:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Glenn To: bucktrippel@verizon.net, dstone@dudek.com, scotttankard@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net, vicnus@comcast.net, angela_mcmurtry@urscorp.com, nmertz@ci.oceanside.ca.us MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Make aIot of money using your PC http://hoangngocviet.com/httpszgexzqo1.php?ihudreedonly=359 _________________________________ "I bet you cant spell my name, says I." (c) buddy adia Fri, 11 May 2012 16:31:37 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 15:42:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3C52D03DF for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 15:42:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25202D07EB for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4BJtuie024192 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 15:55:56 -0400 Received: from core-dqc004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.161.141]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 78DB3E00008C for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 15:55:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Message-ID: <12386.62832324.3cdec8ca@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:55:55 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.7 sub 19 X-Originating-IP: [74.104.194.16] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336766156; bh=s4eXV02rJhhSiaFCkpTq8r3wOxgWnm8bbQ42gabdGss=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=R5B43BuDt+jsHCEJevlAzWc9aADWXZRP9dhBaYC2PZn416mdudi2nf/XwNrMzdWcX FNNGX8Dk2OI71F62lgrOchZxkvxo132tbRF9sf5EZZuPU+kzEseeACgayXO/JhnFu1 JKF2nPgA3Ghti7cniTlSm95QNKid6R2v2MsJWrfQ= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:383639168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c4fad6ecb3bb9 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Caroll Shelby is gone X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, Though he was 89, I found myself a bit shaken when I heard of the passing of ol' Shel. See, _http://www.autoweek.com/article/20120511/CARNEWS/120519987?utm_source=faceb ook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social_ (http://www.autoweek.com/article/20120511/CARNEWS/120519987?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaig n=social) What a contribution to autodom this man made. We will never see his like again. Jim Armstrong _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 15:44:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367C52D0A04 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 15:44:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm7-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.116]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FB0C2D07B8 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 14:11:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 20:12:20 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.84] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 20:12:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 20:12:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 497284.25872.bm@omp1021.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 17052 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2012 20:12:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=prodigy.net; s=s1024; t=1336767140; bh=fthGkBUdsn7IsCJCZ4ug9AP5dzFsu+h5DT97HWJ8ZqU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QAfLN3TnE3SHwFnb9BEruJunRVsUd57en/Av5iKYNeravoK3KTE6TsAOwUsaWsXzHTHpfpRNbwYpAzXPaIUgEPffI65Rk7Jm2VhS2UdW307GaC1L/ykQk/xI/iqg3rWfhC8YhJCXB/og4meVX+nP66Vmp4dZiellzBmHZjEWpg8= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uUt7J5HqCIUFAEMZuJPWqOX8wvk0kQJUfocom7JQSbP/F8nZdgMzERuGMZ5QYS9iT0wZZWJV+ur1jkAJlaIV5hNHqqPClvl7CrIFofHYbaqEPfYU1d0FLrdQw6C8NK/Kx2x0eic7fdZrhRbiLXrpmIRiICnxeLtWRCM/jbyg82o=; X-YMail-OSG: pxhr0SwVM1lwFMeKJQUgSk1vCbyjM8HFlfv2IPa1m7FmNr6 2HBgBrcfP2VA6UhuKuN3ahjr0d5pcE_NnA4szloxJkeTyEgH84dcr0iptngj fOaFgM.GMrQADUUyyQXwlCC32gvFMPNSSUEXDmi.pIcZ478ySmo87TkDQ1cc kaTov1eTw7W8lPutx1zgv_LgaPDGLM0GZWARp9z0FOpbxRn3KNyYkMbtQcKF IfgnrZjeC33H6nrfxO3Oym41pyPDRgf4AsftQ_BtwL4YUz6RNKiUxbKUEUDD wiKH_VnQjqalSBQHF2B96jEJxJtJIVIclSq6zqrrI.frecGxPzh39dkAzpr2 Rx0Yw1rghavlYRo1i3_kT61NyqDG4DhLmVA4ttIWFsaM4oB7bJg4A5H4Q_tl OmzYCE5Kiwkb39GU.hIqRmTnH4zvuik_spAwTjIof2ensqWQoctdJ.KNqonS hjPKU6B5Dz6PnKbh4rbJI.Ljnw7nFGTaRLnnjR0MMa8H0pRzdjbX0Ve7e4Mg AidCjsLR1JIuB7bLj3Hfnpe5Tl_iU0RbvNTc8KR9pmMGlePJ9.j7TF9VeHDu XndZKg90JkkAY0HtobhRB_6jYV9.d1wKRxlgcEkKS2.SMAsCXY5zPiTlklQJ aRhm5J9yoLwZoTNWlJ3hOEkqY8pmyz0qksiVxyzU- Received: from [71.3.16.184] by web83716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:12:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1336767139.15780.YahooMailClassic@web83716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 13:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul R Sheahan To: "tigers@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: John Webber , Matthew Bouchelle , Tom Bennett Subject: [Tigers] Fw: CARROLL SHELBY PASSES AWAY X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If you haven't heard, he is a news release from SAAC Paul Paul R Sheahan --- On Fri, 5/11/12, SAAC wrote: From: SAAC Subject: CARROLL SHELBY PASSES AWAY To: "Paul Sheahan" Date: Friday, May 11, 2012, 4:02 PM Dear Paul , LEGENDARY ENTREPRENEUR CARROLL SHELBY PASSES AWAY LOS ANGELESb May 11,2012 b Carroll Shelby International, Inc., (OTC: CSBI.PK) announced today that Carroll Hall Shelby, a man whose vision for performance transformed the automobile industry, has died at age 89. B Mr. Shelby passed away yesterday at Baylor Hospital in Dallas. The cause of death was not disclosed.B Born on Jan. 11, 1923, Carroll Shelby was one of Americabs greatest success stories. B Championship-winning racecar driver, bflying sergeantb wartime pilot, philanthropist, entrepreneur, car manufacturer and racing team owner, he embodied the ingenuity, tenacity and grit to overcome any obstacle. B He is perhaps the only person to have worked at a visible level with all three major American automobile manufacturers. B B Carroll Shelby founded Carroll Shelby International, a publicly held corporation involved in many industries. B His licensing arm has agreements with industry giants, such as Mattel, Sony, Ford Motor Company and Electronic Arts. B His car company, Shelby American, has a thriving parts business as well as a line of muscle cars including the Shelby GT500 Super Snake, Shelby GT350 and Shelby GTS. B The Las Vegas-based company also manufactures a limited number of the 1960s Shelby 289 bstreet,b 289 FIA, 427 S/C and Daytona Coupe Cobras. Shelby considered his greatest achievement to be the establishment of the Carroll Shelby Foundationb". B Createdin 1992 while Shelby was waiting for a heart transplant, the charity is dedicated to providing medical assistance for those in need, including children, educational opportunities for young people through automotive and other training programsandbenefitting the Carroll Shelby Automotive Foundation. Shelby remained active in the management of each of his companies and the Foundation until his death, even though he endured both heart and kidney transplants in the last two decades of his life. B bWe are all deeply saddened, and feel a tremendous sense of loss for Carrollbs family, ourselves and the entire automotive industry,b said Joe Conway, president of Carroll Shelby International, Inc. and board member. B bThere has been no one like Carroll Shelby and never will be. B However, we promised Carroll we would carry on, and he put the team, the products and the vision in place to do just that.b Shelby is survived by his three children Patrick, Michael and Sharon, his sister Anne Shelby Ellison of Fort Worth and his wife Cleo. B Funeral plans are not currently available. B Donations to the Carroll Shelby Foundation are encouraged in lieu of flowers. B Information about the Carroll Shelby Foundation is available at www.carrollshelbyfoundation.org.B Unsubscribe _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 15:47:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5115C2D0918 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 15:47:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7722D07EB for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 14:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so4384610yhr.14 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:28:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=cK+DgxsXrDsDzXl2mXTG6GNhPmgyEgnjYxC9jeFk26c=; b=L2/HCJ2PMHM651yxHdNOZYYiSTEZBYTX6nVTczS+mC1wqoBRNS2MnpGHUBNhhI60kI 51LgnyTGuumtTz9EZpSG0+rFOp3Jmb3dkrxQIVWGSzSxgCYuGUSQZIaOTK0/zOWvGcP7 nUJU492qfLifO1T+UJbs9JbidQxTugICPR2YATFvBGu3i4qWNBSlsnLoE3WbKf/bbiQz L5aVA+XKOrfbBRIk58ZZ7AYWkZMbDvxDlj3eOCKca0MCLIE8Tmlp+z0rcGbpwxk1jTSP tHOeR1EnIYAdQI1AdbKElL1xKimLqA94fOkoKPGknzNcfiG8EeMHLmtkSrV9DACS+I7f DrVw== Received: by 10.60.20.3 with SMTP id j3mr8354216oee.43.1336768128933; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([72.214.96.17]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d6sm8515936oeh.3.2012.05.11.13.28.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 May 2012 13:28:47 -0700 (PDT) References: <1336765399.98594.YahooMailNeo@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Cullen McCann X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) Message-Id: <4A453208-1CFC-4F1F-9612-7F2E7EC498B0@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:28:46 -0500 To: Tigers Den Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Dead at 89 X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > I'm sure most have heard by now.... > http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1205_carroll_shelby_cobra_creator_ and_american_racing_legend_dead_at_89/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 16:53:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B24E2D0899 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 16:53:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372D92D07B9 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 14:45:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Fri, 11 May 2012 16:46:19 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 16:46:19 -0400 X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.8a, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <4fad7a9b.5d24.0@thecia.net> X-User-Info: 96.237.177.118 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [Tigers] Carroll Shelby 1923-2012 X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rande@thecia.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It's with a great deal of sadness that I report that both Automotive News and the New York Times reported minutes ago that Carroll Shelby died last night at Baylor Hospital in Dallas. I just finished reading Jamie Kitman's NY Times story on the 50th anniversary of the Cobra, and clicked on todays headlines. I don't know what more can be said. 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We knew it was coming, but still hard to take. Safe trip Carroll. Thank you, Dave Gilmore Leawood, Ks _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 18:54:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296482D08D8 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 18:54:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5130E2D053D for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 17:05:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8n061j0020mlR8UABn5q95; Fri, 11 May 2012 23:05:50 +0000 Received: from YOUR681027CD93 ([67.190.105.128]) by omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8n5o1j00d2mE8Dv8Xn5pzZ; Fri, 11 May 2012 23:05:49 +0000 From: "Dennis Newman" To: Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:05:48 -0600 Message-ID: <002701cd2fca$9b20a6c0$d161f440$@d@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0vypo+Wz368HVURWCSDZGZ+vjB9g== Content-Language: en-us X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Ok you gear heads, I know for me I am deeply saddened I posted this on the fox news link today X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net . One Last Race So ol Shel came around turn One Down shifted in to second gear Heavy on the throttle drifting slightly With out a single fear The track no longer sticky The line unclear On to Heavens turn two All the while looking forward With a quick glance into the rear view mirror Smiling while looking behind him He must have seen the million tears Of the racers Of the spectators All wishing we were all younger All wishing ol Shel was still here Always a winner The checked Flag awaits him Fellow Friends and Drivers All smiling will greet him The track now clear Dennis _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 18:55:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123072D08B9 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 18:55:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756462D053D for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 17:05:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Fri, 11 May 2012 19:06:00 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 19:06:00 -0400 X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.8a, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <4fad9b58.622c.0@thecia.net> X-User-Info: 96.237.177.118 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [Tigers] More Ole Shel coverage X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rande@thecia.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Here at GMT -4, Car nut Brian Williams on his NBC Nightly News program did what seemed like a one minute tribute to Carroll tonight. Hopefully, those of you in central, mountain, and PST will be able to see it. It starts about 20 minutes into the newscast. For a lot of us, this is one of those 'where were you when you heard' afternoons. 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[184.38.178.44]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p29sm45491157yhl.19.2012.05.11.21.53.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 May 2012 21:53:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. C. Tynes" To: Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:53:39 -0500 Message-ID: <24187B1B1C084141A057BB339DD33FF3@DellD4700> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0v+zJ+W1l4uDSSTaqX8PGhx1G/iQ== Subject: [Tigers] My Shelby story X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I guess this is an appropriate time to share thoughts and stories about Carroll Shelby, so here's mine. I handled flags and communication for some SCCA races while I was in high school and college. At a race in Opelousas, Louisiana in July, 1962, I guy showed up in a new Cobra, which none of us had actually seen yet. He said he was from the Ford zone office in Texas. He said that Mr. Shelby had told him that the races were all done by volunteers and that he should take the Cobra over and let the race officials drive it between practices. He said Mr. Shelby thought we should get a little treat for our hard work. We would have elected Shelby President by acclimation for that gesture, even though we knew it was a good way and place to promote the car! I don't know how many of us drove the Cobra, but I do believe we had less practice time for the racers than usual that day. I do know we got the car hot enough that the battery wouldn't turn it over and we had to jump it with somebody's tow truck. Imagine being turned loose on a track with a brand new Cobra at age 17 or 18 - I'll never forget it. Of course, I couldn't afford a Cobra, but I did manage a new Tiger in late 1965 by trading in my TR-3A and getting my mom to co-sign the note. For $136 a month I had a Tiger. I year or so after buying the Tiger, the dealer called and asked me to stop by. I got there and he had a Shelby GT-350 he wanted to trade for my Tiger. I drove the GT-350, which had been raced, and decided I couldn't live with it every day. It was just too brutal and that Detroit locker would have driven me crazy. But, thanks to Carroll Shelby, I got to drive two of the greatest cars in the world besides owning a Tiger. I doubt the Cobra I drove was CSX2000, but it was bright blue with a black interior. Since I can't prove it wasn't CSX2000, I think I'll just always think it was possible I drove Mr. Shelby's first Cobra. May he rest in peace. A. C. Tynes New Orleans _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 14:17:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEDC2D0B42 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 14:17:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350DF2D097B for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 12:40:03 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=nsMD5d2fKHo3leiqqodzzyJDAFqHzgoBopS+moxuR7ARMlkmtmVp/+LHjrFPS57z; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.245.28.56] (helo=DIMENSION9200.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1STHFB-0000LV-EM for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 12 May 2012 14:40:41 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:39:54 -0700 To: tigers@autox.team.net From: "Norman C. Miller" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 904d7a9ef3b1ea89d780f4a490ca6956d5d4673fe7faad86d809b62c7b6dabe33a6018a9743d7740350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.245.28.56 Subject: [Tigers] GOD SPEED X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#cid=B63EA59C60AC1D44&id=B63EA59C60AC1D44%21381 Norm _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 11:39:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F44C2D0A7C for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 11:39:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 583FA2D0A10 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 10:50:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2012 16:51:21 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.206] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2012 16:51:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2012 16:51:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 426587.84001.bm@omp1015.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 21301 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2012 16:51:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336927881; bh=MAa3xNs6KvAiw737OZdWvPfs3Odk8AfAb/I72pm4m90=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YoBNxkQpoMZAdHtQZTh9S6s5rVYNUMkfn96Wm9dwYRA8cfp6a7sOHo3DyDAHSPeD4i9JLp6XuGeYYHQDzXImGJwxU+/li8SE0HqXB/ImGEbfHaUiWN+VIh6B4gXyUaDjzIpaP2nLCGjtu0k3aoHVrcL6QGfc4L5JY2D3CEPh6uw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dF6pgbJQW+waUN1Vf+ishs/HftLh36CoHpNuZm960S+6YyKt87ExtSN3JWEmIEUzqCaVTUW40CbAQmW1Z+V+XH8FABX6E3CXR7jMkGhByhIt/paN5jYShOHSMXtwaEN2XdVlRpEjEXiZQ8ko3Jnc/gMsy8L8Srl2nJS0srjde/g=; X-YMail-OSG: h8ICpRMVM1mQNQQeNRSMEiVzj1idLgaaMF6rB00wiJGn29d i28fuNkmq8bbWfvMR0BxXThdctQt9SBo16TLKFhwElJMBtkCFrwk.VNuSdVS ckqVGc_ssiX33vTaZdWhplefwBdYGIZaDmEfA0mH8bms9P0zQxfMwgaOQeoG mgP0MNG6J6in2xcEwtIFZdLUXPokuPg.un_59I.v2rsAlR3fQ8wVsnyMZ_r8 AMztWAsO4XVOWYUaVtXmu_WMYZOsBFVn6wqYZ7V4sqq3bvECKbE6zGeNObYZ e2UAClxSUqxL1o9_tsm.SDxyz0wPWq5MHuKKxndheb6WpJ.c8t1OkCNvDVFN WjOlNTPBHUcm9fU_GlmRHQzDAXcFek3ty3sUsN.LpnL64dV57Tqa63QT8dg9 rMnI47GAsgnaD6_eAe9ogNk1U509qcI5ZeXORCoXs7x8D7fNKong8Z1y_6Xb 6F8xopKSF3STOvXHjPbHkcL2GqrKmJ3u17MBnOd_lqxXnsWO9768sLgY5cOG i6kgVDQtiWEoOosM8HaRs5SFjhaix3gBI3nYzyM67PMCnauVaml_PHA-- Received: from [24.30.98.10] by web163101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 May 2012 09:51:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1336927881.6593.YahooMailNeo@web163101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 09:51:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Mottram To: "tigers@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Undercoating my MK1a? X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chris Mottram List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I am getting ready to have some of my old, less than perfect, body work redone. While I am at it, I am considering having the underside sprayed with some hard undercoating that claims to encapsulate and stop rust and absorb rock impacts (good for the wheel wells). I have typical light surface rust, nothing major. They can spray over the existing underside or sand and spray with undercoat or paint. Any experience or guidance here with doing this? Since the car is 45 years old and has such limited rust, I assume that encapsulation would be fine for another 45 years. Hopefully, I will be fine for another 45 years too. Thanks, Chris Dunwoody Cycling Video Channel >http://www.youtube.com/user/cmottram?feature=guide _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 11:39:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB752D0AA9 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 11:39:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E09B2D0A38 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 10:56:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Sun, 13 May 2012 12:57:06 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:57:06 -0400 X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.8a, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <4fafe7e2.24ed.0@thecia.net> X-User-Info: 96.237.177.118 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [Tigers] Off top. LSR/Breedlove article X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rande@thecia.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For all of you Land Speed Record fans, todays NY Times has a short article about Craig Breedlove and his LSR history. Try www.nytimes.com/autos _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 18:00:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D20E2D0A99 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:00:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31942D0B3B for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 17:20:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Larry-Paulicks-MacBook-Pro.local ([unknown] [173.69.145.57]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3Z007KMI6U6DG0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:20:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4FB041D6.4070504@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 19:20:54 -0400 From: Larry Paulick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-version: 1.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <1336927881.6593.YahooMailNeo@web163101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <1336927881.6593.YahooMailNeo@web163101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Undercoating my MK1a? X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wheel wells only, otherwise you will hide structural damage. Eastwood products are just fine and you can do it yourself. Larry On 5/13/12 12:51 PM, Chris Mottram wrote: > I am getting ready to have some of my old, less than perfect, body work > redone. While I am at it, I am considering having the underside sprayed with > some hard undercoating that claims to encapsulate and stop rust and absorb > rock impacts (good for the wheel wells). I have typical light surface rust, > nothing major. They can spray over the existing underside or sand and spray > with undercoat or paint. Any experience or guidance here with doing this? > Since the car is 45 years old and has such limited rust, I assume that > encapsulation would be fine for another 45 years. Hopefully, I will be fine > for another 45 years too. > > Thanks, > > Chris > Dunwoody Cycling Video Channel >> http://www.youtube.com/user/cmottram?feature=guide > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 05:30:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8472D0BB8 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 05:30:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49C52D0A7B for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 04:53:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q4EArQis017726 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 03:54:04 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0219 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b09c) id dm0219.4f90dc63.56fe1f for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 03:54:03 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PsORLH2/8lwIAAAAB,561143f7f621ff7f8d3847ad60749da2 X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.176.156 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 06:53:48 -0400 Message-ID: <767ACD2911074224B5E9DC3D8F70C661@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Thread-Index: Ac0xv9aBW5JmWZLAS3i5BX8O1xDZXA== X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-13_04:2012-05-13,2012-05-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205140070 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] FYI X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net British Wiring Inc. now has online order catalog capabilities with lot of pictures. www.britishwiring.com I have not make an order on this new feature but soon. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 10:00:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41392D0AB6 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:00:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E062D0AC2 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 08:29:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo209.cox.net ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120514142948.SUBF18243.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo209.cox.net>; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:29:48 -0400 Received: from eastrmwml107 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo209.cox.net with bizsmtp id 9qVn1j00N4h0NJL02qVnVK; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:29:47 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.4FB116DB.0129,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=LKDkrRjixwgtmuXwrIwnijc/8ro9lGx9B3c+ChRocFo= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=UyHOC7Gu_PIA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:17 a=UnzTgHv9AAAA:8 a=O53PpbtCAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=VgmofRUCWBXAfpoNZvIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=a0o1xVR2z_QA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 204.61.12.74 by webmail.east.cox.net; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:29:47 -0400 Message-ID: <20120514102947.7LT1T.871851.imail@eastrmwml107> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 10:29:47 -0400 From: To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net In-Reply-To: <767ACD2911074224B5E9DC3D8F70C661@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] FYI X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the link, Ron. That's a great website!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ---- Ron Fraser wrote: > British Wiring Inc. now has online order catalog capabilities with lot of > pictures. > > www.britishwiring.com > > > I have not make an order on this new feature but soon. > > Ron Fraser > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 12:37:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A5C2D0C1E for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:37:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B9A2D0A86 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:31:38 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qpw1Q+LIImUJUKCGj65jYqEDBHNnrUTlIA+0mOBvVsry0RgxT37mWm4K7IxQQnr3; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.245.28.56] (helo=DIMENSION9200.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1STz86-0004Ar-AS for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 14 May 2012 13:32:18 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 10:32:10 -0700 To: tigers@autox.team.net From: "Norman C. Miller" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 904d7a9ef3b1ea89d780f4a490ca6956d5d4673fe7faad866acf00c9d83710de7434c44d1a677f46350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.245.28.56 Subject: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Warn 'em off if you know anyone bidding, or considering the 'NON-MKII' currently listed on eBay. http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11030.m44.l1120/7?euid=c41392a6c68e441fa85d319acece46c2&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Febaymotors%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26%26item%3D170841867202%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1120 Norm _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 14:44:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC8B2D091A for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:44:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from st11p01mm-asmtpout003.mac.com (st11p01mm-asmtpout003.mac.com [17.172.204.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9FA2D08A6 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:47:16 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [172.20.1.114] (69-12-229-153.static.adsl.montereybay.com [69.12.229.153]) by st11p01mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M4100BUS07RWW30@st11p01mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 14 May 2012 18:47:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-14_04:2012-05-14,2012-05-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=15 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205140214 References: In-reply-to: Message-id: <0AF75F8C-753F-4FDA-A144-091C6F57D6FF@me.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: Carlo Bernardino Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 11:47:56 -0700 To: "Norman C. Miller" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net What's with the Alpine style hardtop? Rob Carlo Rob Bernardino, MD FACS Oculoplastics and Aesthetic Surgery Vantage Eye Center Monterey, CA www.vantageeye.com Sent from my EyePad 2 On May 14, 2012, at 10:32 AM, "Norman C. Miller" wrote: > Warn 'em off if you know anyone bidding, or considering the 'NON-MKII' currently listed on eBay. > http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11030.m44.l1120/7?euid=c41392a6c68e441fa85d319acece46c2&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Febaymotors%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26%26item%3D170841867202%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1120 > > Norm > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/crbdino@me.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 16:47:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4882D091B for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:47:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from db3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (db3ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076802C0D18 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail52-db3-R.bigfish.com (10.3.81.244) by DB3EHSOBE004.bigfish.com (10.3.84.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:11:29 +0000 Received: from mail52-db3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail52-db3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A7660459; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:11:29 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: -1 X-BigFish: VPS-1(zz9371Ie2eM542M1432Nzz1202hzz8275chz30ih2a8h668h839h944hd25h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:204.77.163.11; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail52-db3: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail52-db3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail52-db3 (MessageSwitch) id 1337029887940971_8276; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DB3EHSMHS017.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.81.235]) by mail52-db3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1408400E2; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by DB3EHSMHS017.bigfish.com (10.3.87.117) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:11:27 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:11:40 -0500 Received: from OL-EX2K7HT1.ad.garmin.com (10.2.1.216) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:11:30 -0500 Received: from OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com ([fe80:0000:0000:0000:18d3:70d4:70.53.29.188]) by OL-EX2K7HT1.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.1.216]) with mapi; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:11:30 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Carlo Bernardino Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 16:11:28 -0500 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE Thread-Index: Ac0yEmzwT+da6RS2TcWagRAwn8zt5wAA2FmQ Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C8E6B4E@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> References: <0AF75F8C-753F-4FDA-A144-091C6F57D6FF@me.com> In-Reply-To: <0AF75F8C-753F-4FDA-A144-091C6F57D6FF@me.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: dynastream.com Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That would be the extra rare lightweight hardtop option ;). Also note the mixed DNA on the instruments - it's got a real Mk2 tach but the speedo is Mk1/Mk1A. So there are at least two Mk2 parts on that car - the VIN plate, and the tach. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carlo Bernardino > Sent: May 14, 2012 12:48 PM > To: Norman C. Miller > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE > > What's with the Alpine style hardtop? > Rob > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 19:07:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617F82D078D for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 19:07:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D9E2D0811 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 17:07:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9z6e1j0041ZMdJ4A6z878n; Mon, 14 May 2012 23:08:07 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.118]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9z861j00Q2YtL1G8cz86Cm; Mon, 14 May 2012 23:08:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 23:08:06 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Theo Smit Message-ID: <2130082491.422712.1337036886664.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C8E6B4E@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [24.7.122.212] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (zclient/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Aren't those MK2 seats too? Is it at least a real MKIa? OR the dreaded Alger?? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Theo Smit To: Carlo Bernardino Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 14 May 2012 21:11:28 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE That would be the extra rare lightweight hardtop option ;). Also note the mixed DNA on the instruments - it's got a real Mk2 tach but the speedo is Mk1/Mk1A. So there are at least two Mk2 parts on that car - the VIN plate, and the tach. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carlo Bernardino > Sent: May 14, 2012 12:48 PM > To: Norman C. Miller > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE > > What's with the Alpine style hardtop? > Rob > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 19:10:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7C32D09D8 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 19:10:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569D22D02EE for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 17:57:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo110.cox.net ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120514235754.PUWQ18532.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo110.cox.net>; Mon, 14 May 2012 19:57:54 -0400 Received: from awtigerPC ([68.229.231.4]) by eastrmimpo110.cox.net with bizsmtp id 9zxq1j00L06M2ss02zxtEA; Mon, 14 May 2012 19:57:54 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.4FB19C02.003A,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=s1i2RV+unmn3sLkEA3lf1Tj2LikDbZyRf9iEFo2x6J8= c=1 sm=1 a=6E8B_1AvfQkA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:17 a=gceyuhmBAAAA:8 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=jYd4VgOefBEUM3_cOH4A:9 a=lfi5l_TxRiuPewnmrtsA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uZvyPsGTLYUA:10 a=i1zE5R4R5dEA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-ID: From: "awtiger" To: "Smit, Theo" , "Carlo Bernardino" References: <0AF75F8C-753F-4FDA-A144-091C6F57D6FF@me.com> <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C8E6B4E@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C8E6B4E@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:57:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Guys: Look at the under-hood shot closely. The passenger side cowl brace is off of an Alpine and, unless I miss my guess, so are the inner fender supports that the brace bolts to. I'm not sure what we're dealing with here... Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Carlo Bernardino" Cc: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE > That would be the extra rare lightweight hardtop option ;). Also note the > mixed DNA on the instruments - it's got a real Mk2 tach but the speedo is > Mk1/Mk1A. > > So there are at least two Mk2 parts on that car - the VIN plate, and the > tach. > Theo >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- >> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carlo Bernardino >> Sent: May 14, 2012 12:48 PM >> To: Norman C. Miller >> Cc: tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE >> >> What's with the Alpine style hardtop? >> Rob >> > > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the > sole > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, > please > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail > or > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 21:28:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A0D2D08AA for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:28:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F192D0750 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 19:10:36 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=A3NzlJvSd57mp3SVGOevh2Ho4wqEUL59i5b+Hwi9LiFCGBawIOOnPHNNZKiQKLBN; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.245.28.56] (helo=DIMENSION9200.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SU6I0-0002ky-IC; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:11:00 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:10:51 -0700 To: Gary Winblad , Theo Smit From: "Norman C. Miller" In-Reply-To: <2130082491.422712.1337036886664.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emer yville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C8E6B4E@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> <2130082491.422712.1337036886664.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 904d7a9ef3b1ea89d780f4a490ca6956d5d4673fe7faad869de23e26a1eb86d09592dac85c0db054350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.245.28.56 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A.L.G.E.R. Norm At 04:08 PM 5/14/2012, Gary Winblad wrote: >Aren't those MK2 seats too? >Is it at least a real MKIa? OR the dreaded Alger?? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 00:00:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627012D08B3 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:00:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from st11p01mm-asmtpout002.mac.com (st11p01mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.172.204.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C6B2D07F3 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:40:56 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [10.0.1.12] ([98.234.45.13]) by st11p01mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M4100HKYOWH2800@st11p01mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 15 May 2012 03:41:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-14_07:2012-05-14,2012-05-14,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205140375 From: Carlo Bernardino Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 20:41:04 -0700 To: tigers@autox.team.net Message-id: <4FD3C790-5F4D-4FA6-8846-1B5553DBB1F5@me.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Obits X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Like everyone in the Tiger community, I was saddened to hear of his passing. I also was saddened that I will not be able to meet the man, at a show or elsewhere. It would be need to shake the hand of one of my automotive heroes. However, one things that I find interesting that none of his obituaries in the press even mention remotely the Tiger and his involvement. Some mention great minute details of his life in Africa, or his chili pursuits, or how he helped with the Omni GLH and other cars. But no Tiger. I know I am speaking to the choir, but it is as good a time as any to set the record straight. Autoweek just posted a list of Shelby's 10 most important cars, and I wrote Dutch Mandel, one of the editors, mentioning the Tiger's omission. He countered that the tiger was like the Toyota 2000 GT that Shelby raced. I wrote back saying the two are not at all analogous. Furthermore, we could argue that he did more engineering in the tiger's case than lending his name on the modern Shelby mustangs or Omni pocket rockets. Rob Rob in Carmel, CA 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red TAC# 0519 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 00:01:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23E82D09C4 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:01:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1DB2D0897 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:47:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id A3lj1j0060b6N64A23oG2x; Tue, 15 May 2012 03:48:16 +0000 Received: from YOUR681027CD93 ([67.190.105.128]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id A3oE1j00l2mE8Dv8P3oFmS; Tue, 15 May 2012 03:48:15 +0000 From: "Dennis Newman" To: "'Norman C. Miller'" , "'Gary Winblad'" , "'Theo Smit'" References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C8E6B4E@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> <2130082491.422712.1337036886664.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 21:48:12 -0600 Message-ID: <000001cd324d$8e55a320$ab00e960$@d@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0yStNx4Cau8TdBRnqNgK1PTZEM/QAAlFbA Content-Language: en-us Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/archive/index.php?t-10191.html The attached link has a discussion thread that the German and French imported Tigers could not carry the tiger name due to the fact the Tiger Name belonged to cars already produced with the Tiger Name. The notion of the ALGER, as I understand it is that it is a re-bodied Tiger, or an Alpine with Tiger parts. What is the true definition of an ALGER. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norman C. Miller Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 7:11 PM To: Gary Winblad; Theo Smit Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE A.L.G.E.R. Norm At 04:08 PM 5/14/2012, Gary Winblad wrote: >Aren't those MK2 seats too? >Is it at least a real MKIa? OR the dreaded Alger?? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/newman.d@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 00:01:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66AE32D0900 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:01:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepi101.cox.net (fed1rmfepi101.cox.net [68.230.241.132]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E333C2D08B1 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 22:31:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo306.cox.net ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120515042300.CLQK9100.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306.cox.net> for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:23:00 -0400 Received: from fed1rmwml106 ([172.18.140.217]) by fed1rmimpo306.cox.net with bizsmtp id A4KH1j00U4hdPEs034KHYv; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:19:17 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4FB1DA24.0062,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=KX+v5h4Bo19/wPa7BIMoXY6ArU991IQkCVNWm470N+4= c=1 sm=1 a=6E8B_1AvfQkA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=S19IIY4ylecA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=pOe5d74Ez/ATt1q1FyB//g==:17 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=RVVNGhW9PBtj3dAVSZkA:9 a=pZVV0zvsuUNYdSJVlqEA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=pOe5d74Ez/ATt1q1FyB//g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 72.197.206.17 by webmail.west.cox.net; Tue, 15 May 2012 0:23:00 -0400 Message-ID: <20120515002300.B738D.691608.imail@fed1rmwml106> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 21:23:00 -0700 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The Door panels are all wrong as well. They added the padded cover like a Mk1A, The door panel covering is a Mk1a/MkII. But it is a Series V/ Mk1 small door panel. Square corner Deluxe interior doors a Tiger item only. Because Alpine GT's were the only ones to get a deluxe interior and they did not make any Series V GT's ---- "Norman C. Miller" wrote: > Warn 'em off if you know anyone bidding, or considering the > 'NON-MKII' currently listed on eBay. > http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11030.m44.l1120/7?euid=c41392a6c68e441fa85d319acece46c2&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Febaymotors%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26%26item%3D170841867202%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1120 > > Norm > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 01:15:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB052D08DD for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 01:15:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699BA2D08A4 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 23:36:02 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qSz46ScRwJQhY4wjOgBXSeaAGmlWRx+42MifiqAd96hhEJ/wmHXWCEpdRu1bH0Ok; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.245.28.56] (helo=DIMENSION9200.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SUAQs-0000V6-H4; Tue, 15 May 2012 01:36:26 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:36:17 -0700 To: "Dennis Newman" , "'Gary Winblad'" , "'Theo Smit'" From: "Norman C. Miller" In-Reply-To: <000001cd324d$8e55a320$ab00e960$@d@comcast.net> References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C8E6B4E@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> <2130082491.422712.1337036886664.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <000001cd324d$8e55a320$ab00e960$@d@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 904d7a9ef3b1ea89d780f4a490ca6956d5d4673fe7faad863e3966bf6a07b7dd686a7ab810496fba350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.245.28.56 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Seems like your 'notion' is spot on. Norm At 08:48 PM 5/14/2012, Dennis Newman wrote: >...snip The notion of the ALGER, as I understand it is that it is a >re-bodied Tiger, or an Alpine >with Tiger parts. What is the true definition of an ALGER. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 02:32:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084BE2D0897 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 02:32:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7F12D07BC for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so4227539wgb.20 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 23:15:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=WjkGlEnEnGcIY5X6uEEIJm8lb3ev8G3lyxaWu9xPiUQ=; b=uoju2Txrex9271XFNa1TLWXr+YjcBk9+m5yWNMoK/ZN8/WVCrHBf2LPIcqCT9SnuQg qdW305DXRGpwk5xSmFOwLT85RVMuQIvMnn59wXvnu0DsLcZPKf2trrrnQZkoJpgw/W+V qOT93Oma1zf4Vv6OB1GT6hqBreJVn0fbxFnBJK/VGVB49UXpeTC8XhZOnv6eUpvHeWM1 ImkhxMY+hgOJnvzHHXhOyQIfQ3bjXV4Hw5cX6x6akXye/74qc481ShP6UW1IknNPKjP2 NwAHIfe0e0ta3Xq6fhsPBOyzb5lbeoerzCgnk1VfP2b+ErPJYsK2j1VwlZG8A51s479A bkvQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.200.22 with SMTP id y22mr6869356wen.118.1337062517876; Mon, 14 May 2012 23:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.25.84 with HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 23:15:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120515002300.B738D.691608.imail@fed1rmwml106> References: <20120515002300.B738D.691608.imail@fed1rmwml106> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 16:15:17 +1000 Message-ID: From: michael king To: e.coiner@cox.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On 15 May 2012 14:23, wrote: > The Door panels are all wrong as well. > They added the padded cover like a Mk1A, > The door panel covering is a Mk1a/MkII. > But it is a Series V/ Mk1 small door panel. > > Square corner Deluxe interior doors a Tiger item only. > Because Alpine GT's were the only ones to get a deluxe interior and they > did not make any Series V GT' > > > Sorry, but i have to correct you on that.. they certainly did make SV Alpine GT's, not many seemed to have made it to the states.. but they were prominent models in the UK and home export markets. As for the door trim.. I think you will find thats not a sunbeam original.. its aftermarket.. the ribbing goes to far along the door and it then finishes lower at the leading edge than it should. I think the door is the correct TIGER MKIA/II Alpine GT door as the deeper 1/4 window base fits correctly and i can see the 2 holes for the plastic clips of the factory door panels where the metal is exposed at the top (the part that you are saying makes them a ST door) Also you mention that the square corner doors with GT interior are tiger only.. the series IV Alpines as with the later Tiger MKI's gained the cross over body.. square corner doors and bonnet.. so the SIVa GT doors are also the same as the later MKi/IA and II cars -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 08:52:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37E22D07BC for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 08:52:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 261642D0781 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 07:26:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 13:27:07 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.225] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 13:27:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1034.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 13:27:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 777016.56682.bm@omp1034.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 46663 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2012 13:27:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337088427; bh=3KmqHeg7D90EDy88NI7p7aJFHxng1P/SXEHsfLx+AnQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WFjRl8VcaOSXsaXGcB0zI1YhEXktKOprc9rstUJ+jH9dj+a72evncOawajqS61G5Sm3H5ul+ZXHlVIj5L3tT4dWFLpVE2Nv7fima8GuQEpb+MWIYSYy6lNbef5RflMwayTMNsjEE1vOsvIGddnnUpsWL/58bjnVNxJ8fkIpy0q4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ts+1hgxBdbIjcFSLO1nr928OID9E1ljzDcqKgsLRRjLKnYxhOSkrv6q0qANsNjEuub2DyAxzxcERVtkukCV0puxCJmj8lybf2MK9N0+kXWGIudswLSpH8w5Tc4bAB77d0BzhiX52qEQr4sMfUgieBiWQtFzE4flQOh9cVLdvSDw=; X-YMail-OSG: .4LLxGIVM1kp4m0xRlPVt.eFodrUZVfFYxB9bBZ_EgdhuO0 HBOE2KmfvC96DpOURCdalnvOnNU.DvUWk4O7spcEpHe2XBwtTJpwIHr0l3a8 6zzc25O_M0uWoCJ_93eeFa03O7hXBP3xjGDsCnsfCd.VeH0Vo0zBCblvFnBt cwObjngX4xpOXI3QnQ3BYAcx8gsYGU3Nrkzp7sJYU7tcIjUlLshLySBwpU3m q7zBNpEbVAiqJflmAsALqFv9KGURnj1i10N_feT251t36N0EWA1QAKp4Wc7n 5esu4x5eBwaYnDEmeGJcUphDHjLszoPjCA6zO4nFgH9h7kBFLh9YHugPW2a_ eFCIqrYQtFc17w7OiOlgI5uc9utfwbwOLl93MO5R3Bry5RbBJdmB.P_9iQq8 vfgosWykkTr2x1rLRjJ2ZP0FNndgYqChFgh2caLg5.kvwUB9anGQ119oJktD xsT.GG7Qrzo5cpezZLbp0k.8OmKEV59Y1j5R5hOYl2GYrQGmluhQ8CROe2M. cn.fNSAsK6JyVS9E7dZMHGl0kfHtamxUY40Ilh7_XMDc- Received: from [76.202.5.93] by web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 06:27:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FD3C790-5F4D-4FA6-8846-1B5553DBB1F5@me.com> Message-ID: <1337088427.46002.YahooMailNeo@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 06:27:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Waybright To: "tigers@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <4FD3C790-5F4D-4FA6-8846-1B5553DBB1F5@me.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen Waybright List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net While ol Shel' was critical to the Tiger's genisis, the Tiger is still a ways down the list of his automotive contributions to the world. As much as I like the Shelby connection with Tigers (and love the Tiger), it really was limited to a one-off hot rod Alpine, proof of concept car... the real production engineering was done by Jensen and I've never heard that Shelby had any direct engagement with Rootes Group / Sunbeam corporate management. His strategic impactand marketing contribution to the modern Dodge and Ford cars is quite significant by comparison, as is the size of those cars impact on the general automotive landscape (and what he was paid for the work). I do think the Tiger would show up in his top 15 cars. Stephen Waybright From: Carlo Bernardino To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:41 PM Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Obits Like everyone in the Tiger community, I was saddened to hear of his passing. I also was saddened that I will not be able to meet the man, at a show or elsewhere. It would be need to shake the hand of one of my automotive heroes. However, one things that I find interesting that none of his obituaries in the press even mention remotely the Tiger and his involvement. Some mention great minute details of his life in Africa, or his chili pursuits, or how he helped with the Omni GLH and other cars. But no Tiger. I know I am speaking to the choir, but it is as good a time as any to set the record straight. Autoweek just posted a list of Shelby's 10 most important cars, and I wrote Dutch Mandel, one of the editors, mentioning the Tiger's omission. He countered that the tiger was like the Toyota 2000 GT that Shelby raced. I wrote back saying the two are not at all analogous. Furthermore, we could argue that he did more engineering in the tiger's case than lending his name on the modern Shelby mustangs or Omni pocket rockets. Rob Rob in Carmel, CA 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red TAC# 0519 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 11:29:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B253F2D07CF for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 11:29:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C972A2D07C3 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 09:36:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14so2462106wib.2 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 08:37:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=BElmcV8xtAz9esKtkalvJfZID2W+hfaIJs04jC8hZEM=; b=VKRnIOhrBIEqBDXP4pyTfyEIQ8AQpuVZYhC0OgjdEVZsY1fUDmbpkHV4qmpbZhvSk+ D0AcTkgzmA1VISnd2zpxotQ4IgRU1ttZ9B7+O6pMAE7hTCBl/vO1VsKBvTWc11jd6SKY cnksIg5lpabD/V2pDlljRrN70WSm+CLHdNfZ3bShwgdDyNtEmpZRM4EB3sWpVzSXidL5 64tX6YLZfZhH9ab49l1P2XaYc6FxEH6QGb0S6uYvE2jylu+R9mWXzIYq7Q8+eQ7c82K0 jzMQsVIKqE+skq488sqePjoGqg+IGsA+3RGvCT/e7e6waZ5By+rAsA+TDPXf8jUThHXB DycA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.83.196 with SMTP id s4mr3050808wiy.15.1337096252147; Tue, 15 May 2012 08:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.204.163 with HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 08:37:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1337088427.46002.YahooMailNeo@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <4FD3C790-5F4D-4FA6-8846-1B5553DBB1F5@me.com> <1337088427.46002.YahooMailNeo@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:37:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jim Sencindiver To: Stephen Waybright Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Shelby got a royalty for every Tiger sold. Additionally, when Shelby sold most of thecars from his collection to fund his children's transplant charity (and he had a bunch of cars!) he did not sell the original 260 Cobra and his personal Sunbeam Tiger! He kept a few other cars as well, but I don't know what they were. Keep on Tigering! Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On 5/15/12, Stephen Waybright wrote: > While ol Shel' was critical to the Tiger's genisis, the Tiger is still a > ways > down the list of his automotive contributions to the world. As much as I > like > the Shelby connection with Tigers (and love the Tiger), it really was > limited > to a one-off hot rod Alpine, proof of concept car... the real production > engineering was done by Jensen and I've never heard that Shelby had any > direct > engagement with Rootes Group / Sunbeam corporate management. His strategic > impactand marketing contribution to the modern Dodge and Ford cars is quite > significant by comparison, as is the size of those cars impact on the > general > automotive landscape (and what he was paid for the work). > > I do think the > Tiger would show up in his top 15 cars. > > Stephen Waybright > > From: Carlo > Bernardino > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, May 14, > 2012 10:41 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Obits > > Like everyone in the Tiger > community, I was saddened to hear of his passing. I also was saddened that > I > will not be able to meet the man, at a show or elsewhere. It would be need > to > shake the hand of one of my automotive heroes. However, one things that I > find > interesting that none of his obituaries in the press even mention remotely > the > Tiger and his involvement. Some mention great minute details of his life in > Africa, or his chili pursuits, or how he helped with the Omni GLH and other > cars. But no Tiger. I know I am speaking to the choir, but it is as good a > time as any to set the record straight. > > Autoweek just posted a list of > Shelby's 10 most important cars, and I wrote Dutch Mandel, one of the > editors, > mentioning the Tiger's omission. He countered that the tiger was like the > Toyota 2000 GT that Shelby raced. I wrote back saying the two are not at > all > analogous. Furthermore, we could argue that he did more engineering in the > tiger's case than lending his name on the modern Shelby mustangs or Omni > pocket rockets. > > Rob > > Rob in Carmel, CA > 1966 Mk1A Tiger > B382000262 LRXFE > JAL660245 > Color Code 39: Carnival Red > TAC# 0519 > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 12:45:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7071F2D0A5C for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 12:45:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83EA22D0783 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 10:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from student2 ([unknown] [98.119.35.221]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M4200FNHNW5YXF1@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 15 May 2012 11:16:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <16CA5182B7FF411DB2783CDBDA9190F7@student2> From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <4FD3C790-5F4D-4FA6-8846-1B5553DBB1F5@me.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 09:16:58 -0700 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Rob, I agree that the Tiger should not be omitted as there is a Shelby linkage (even if only in name). And, I applaud you for your letter. That said, to hear George Boskoff's account Shelby himself seems to have had very little involvement. According to George, Shelby basically told him to fit the Ford engine into the Alpine. When there was an issue about the steering rack Shelby told him to bend the arms. It was Boskoff who took the Rootes representative for the test drive when finished. When he inquired about the process (drawings etc.) of the engine swap George simply replied that he had some templates in a box. This pretty much supports the rumor that Shelby did the job for the money. As far as I'm concern Shelby was the businessman and George Boskoff was the fabricator/designer. Even there the Boskoff conversion was likely more proof of concept with Rootes making refining changes before bringing the Tiger to market. I think in TBON there is an ad (picture) of Shelby pitching the Tiger. Perhaps with Norm's permission you could send that to the editor. Tom > Autoweek just posted a list of Shelby's 10 most important cars, and I > wrote Dutch Mandel, one of the editors, mentioning the Tiger's omission. > He countered that the tiger was like the Toyota 2000 GT that Shelby raced. > I wrote back saying the two are not at all analogous. Furthermore, we > could argue that he did more engineering in the tiger's case than lending > his name on the modern Shelby mustangs or Omni pocket rockets. > > Rob _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 12:47:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFFE2D0A65 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 12:47:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.126]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A82A2D0683 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 10:27:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm22.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 16:28:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.206] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 16:28:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 16:28:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 924696.81559.bm@omp1015.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 47349 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2012 16:28:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337099309; bh=NMuoK76e96qrC4SqUYeRrEtrm8beltQN5v3Tcsli0TA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ruidMLWNX0OBAKo/Zs72VrfOfVu48ypQxvOnaEChfEKHmpp+J66UBd4WXEuKw/wCFnTDA6T46r1iigV1O69Ll9AoNoIJLyiGNLUWPUO7zj70Q7pzfGvzGenoAHc4a7TK+cxy0t1kV+CKVOItlplL2M+vCW0bLcsR5B9zEwUCC7U= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mviLVA70uSKKxnyDOlvHr34TiN3bCEv1PpVsZ/YVrB0FZJutAHWEV7sPu0nWZ6f6/IbTCgpIHx+cFhb+vGblnxCS/lnKHXRoNLiKcKMWfBlY5FeL+j8wtRym5gd5V6Qq2wiWHYulXPFKh3W3RmavcUXnzs1YRTVnkWS2Ukvhfbc=; X-YMail-OSG: cRxMurQVM1nCfOq3P4uUBuyhA1HcZs_bb8ZV2jhxl59w0ep X7iGXUkM9ut5_TuBezYLXaGHJPW43N0osVcj.9gHElUrpmzSDhSQEKqf510i zI4PqnSLEu1Ptof.O7x_0iKJRc7ZEQI1xVjz7XGVjH5JznAm7KuipcLioPbS ExTEwLvCeuETeWw5vaKsI8wxNIGccTsMQLKT2N_irBVQkUJDujjpmAa7kzTW 3DY1OI59f.k32XFzciYMK1KQW.wpgWGyCQYHSFXsR3R8iwULjZgEN1UxfSBQ DpDqZ55qPTRfCth1QowRXsjSRDZ6T48Qkfil.hBmFMvo6J01c1ITuRAGCa0S wNYlzc9d.VLTrxq1fuRn.wWG94Mr.KE6WBAbuKBbseiioLyGaflRVm_MgKEj lL3xK4wk.lJ9Cpqa8X_ivOSKS1tsXvMXlIFkFKLEcogcsk9WX0k2lQ5XqNsu tNQAQbXjX1NRm5wW2U1nSJ.eB0Ht4MecsMDxc6hf1WO7j4gAkHLiochQ5EL7 1D7y3KyB9Nu8LZIBgkCHW8Mnxn5_EGFUagB8hibsFi3.FGrhJHUY9ZTGDm8C 4G.XBYXMC82q0uyPS77JKyYd4gdFmNTZ5qiIuhm3LSUw07c5y Received: from [76.202.5.93] by web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 09:28:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FD3C790-5F4D-4FA6-8846-1B5553DBB1F5@me.com> <1337088427.46002.YahooMailNeo@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1337099309.39229.YahooMailNeo@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 09:28:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Waybright To: Jim Sencindiver In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen Waybright List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jim is of course correct and I do believe that the Tiger ranked high on Shelby's list of cars he enjoys having been involved with. His participation in Tiger events and willingness to sign the cars shows that to be true. The unfortunate reality is that most serious car people could name a long list of Shelby automotive accomplishments well before they'd get to the Tiger footnote. Autoweek didn't even call out the 289 FIA in the top 10, so little surprise the Tiger was not there. Stephen ________________________________ From: Jim Sencindiver To: Stephen Waybright Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits Shelby got a royalty for every Tiger sold. Additionally, when Shelby sold most of thecars from his collection to fund his children's transplant charity (and he had a bunch of cars!) he did not sell the original 260 Cobra and his personal Sunbeam Tiger! He kept a few other cars as well, but I don't know what they were. Keep on Tigering! Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On 5/15/12, Stephen Waybright wrote: > While ol Shel' was critical to the Tiger's genisis, the Tiger is still a > ways > down the list of his automotive contributions to the world. As much as I > like > the Shelby connection with Tigers (and love the Tiger), it really was > limited > to a one-off hot rod Alpine, proof of concept car... the real production > engineering was done by Jensen and I've never heard that Shelby had any > direct > engagement with Rootes Group / Sunbeam corporate management. His strategic > impactand marketing contribution to the modern Dodge and Ford cars is quite > significant by comparison, as is the size of those cars impact on the > general > automotive landscape (and what he was paid for the work). > > I do think the > Tiger would show up in his top 15 cars. > > Stephen Waybright > > From: Carlo > Bernardino > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, May 14, > 2012 10:41 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Obits > > Like everyone in the Tiger > community, I was saddened to hear of his passing. I also was saddened that > I > will not be able to meet the man, at a show or elsewhere. It would be need > to > shake the hand of one of my automotive heroes. However, one things that I > find > interesting that none of his obituaries in the press even mention remotely > the > Tiger and his involvement. Some mention great minute details of his life in > Africa, or his chili pursuits, or how he helped with the Omni GLH and other > cars. But no Tiger. I know I am speaking to the choir, but it is as good a > time as any to set the record straight. > > Autoweek just posted a list of > Shelby's 10 most important cars, and I wrote Dutch Mandel, one of the > editors, > mentioning the Tiger's omission. He countered that the tiger was like the > Toyota 2000 GT that Shelby raced. I wrote back saying the two are not at > all > analogous. Furthermore, we could argue that he did more engineering in the > tiger's case than lending his name on the modern Shelby mustangs or Omni > pocket rockets. > > Rob > > Rob in Carmel, CA > 1966 Mk1A Tiger > B382000262 LRXFE > JAL660245 > Color Code 39: Carnival Red > TAC# 0519 > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 14:05:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123332D0AC7 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:05:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm11.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm11.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 92E222D09A1 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 12:09:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.193] by nm11.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 18:10:32 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.158] by tm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 18:10:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 18:10:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 194175.44664.bm@omp1041.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 64589 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2012 18:10:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337105401; bh=l/N0b1IEbFHCEYtSs5M2Z4zcdQi+h5SbIr5/6z/ZQTQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b/fXsOe69a3lm3T9mdeLNFFt8ka4KXPXfUb1J/INYWn/8mSRcAAVpRLdaBuzRb+j8AD7GFg0qqk6UEH6rJMxqYCcYBNputvgryKVHioFWu46GZMoIrl7sZFN/zV2FHkQCaoKNbV8hit0J8bq8edJ1H8hM5W3wlhAibsKnLS7/s4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ih4FUWm38fvZJRPe/mNtWG7IN9diauD88AoOy6l0cB56Z7f6nCg7sYzBVuovq+6HX8X0tWdGa0//rpq1CVBpo5YGKSo4T4NGLOdNjsWlGc4WXN/mGL/35lKtbzcJCFm8w+HCHRa/WUK7CK0Z+ntNsQHrg6+9hhI0vWVd/caOmTM=; X-YMail-OSG: SHuUmj0VM1kYTu.upmQXyeYRwp7ERFtmwp46HOdOfj5hIcA 3EG06vZBjrsfajIYXeeTtiM1qx8lUQQFs_aBL8pcgW8lqNhKxnZ.s5mzGw3e W7.c_Tk9DjjD4VvpbGvepII.t6E.FqCVOR7qNHeZ9r8ly5vVbtQYm0rFfgxH yks4EaSp1cNlrJDSHJ7whdr9InQ3iez0uwATJLPi8gzQivpqAvzzw_Ed4GpN rgTYeW38dHYnDyYfjNYuyriJDm9ZtXZOMuuiMOVdr50Qca_qRLzwysh3O0LC bI6bwdiI3A3t4Tz7oAhPxI55YCkop.GjwrEaqFFOMzwFMmel8vsfkltBUgAZ R03qeOVkWLzEF3C4uf1LSmmZG7jvPX_QEGeX7e.7IP8f2j4vO6b2kXlv4iAN p3pMcvgCG6Ggfp8dWuIYcl4flrtMo13eHuPNUFMw5FOf88j8JMSiWhRLmNqv REPtMfAwqmnIZsfE9vBDyLqYx07ui4bV_0nD2i37nhaH31TBsGY1z..ZTsOl Ssdn5Ns8WZTgeFbZNecUDWVvVMzG9bTJSWj_bwQoE Received: from [143.110.33.211] by web65903.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 11:10:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FD3C790-5F4D-4FA6-8846-1B5553DBB1F5@me.com> <1337088427.46002.YahooMailNeo@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1337105401.52730.YahooMailNeo@web65903.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Zimmermann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Randy Zimmermann List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm far, far from an expert on the Tiger's history but from my reading of the Robson and Carroll's versions, the hot rod Alpine was a product of Ken Miles individual efforts in his home garage while the Shelby American team (under the direction of George Boskoff) produced the more "refined" V8 Alpine that was sent to England to guide Tiger production at Jensen. Ken delivered his prototype faster and it was used for the infamous Billy Rootes test drive in L.A. The Shelby American version took longer but produced a more sophisticated design and, thus, was the model forwarded to England. R.I.P. Carroll Shelby It will be interesting to follow what happens to the red Tiger that was part of his collection and could be seen in the background of the interviews Carroll gave not too long ago for the Shelby-themed Barrett-Jackson auctions. Randy Z. Duluth, MN 1967 Tiger MkIa ________________________________ On 5/15/12, Stephen Waybright wrote: > "As much as I like the Shelby connection with Tigers (and love the Tiger), it really was > limited to a one-off hot rod Alpine, proof of concept car... the real production > engineering was done by Jensen and I've never heard that Shelby had any > direct engagement with Rootes Group / Sunbeam corporate management. " > > Stephen Waybright > > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zimme008@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 15:32:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AB42D09B0 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 15:32:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7522D0A25 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 13:27:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TerriPC ([unknown] [71.109.100.177]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M42004BJWRGF6Z0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:28:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 12:28:24 -0700 Message-id: <000001cd32d0$e5aeffd0$b10cff70$@net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-index: Ac0y0OUKCo4wOw3ATiGPatU2+ZfGRQ== Content-language: en-us X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Shelby obit X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Peter Egan gives a nod to the Shelby/Tiger connection in his remembrance of Carroll in Road & Track magazine: http://www.roadandtrack.com/special-report/remembering-carroll-shelby-1923-2 012 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 16:51:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B23B2D0829 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 16:51:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 76B372D0A68 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:27:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 20:27:47 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.220] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 20:27:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 20:27:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 414204.62763.bm@omp1029.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 33137 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2012 20:27:47 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337113667; bh=jAcwBDPMQSMS+p3+vFQ+a5K+nCDX8WSJOSxhzM4lPHc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Dy/Mj16+2+YisF9fXoNcabG6f1eG/CKXSNHpX8MwxlSjDXGaI/jIBPeHklQjsBhwAOQZIDnM5qVDobiuDih5kkU0XZJk1m/96HqSe4wKRUNY7iH4QqZsGTfVvV+jvJRoFb0US2tNZ7x212zXyeuBrW2WuxUSFayFky9t9w+WLVI= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a6mvFksnVFFHN5MxQdCYlFI8HZ2rgqt/cYvcklEqNMP6FNKaoG4ro32EC/4d5w/fX+XDhiXPX2kRZN4VDirPgql4xnmMWbj2UpCBEkk/YEbOV6omjkWYh6L+si3nW/J7YOpot3+KF+BJQeyxHlI2kn5wClXeuQ6VTth4IGP6Hm0=; X-YMail-OSG: iojCufIVM1lQl.hde03ynWjleavUDoAw3LK69o2IVZGtspD 2Hs9dwaYu2zt6jhDMzoHCLSUjoRQc5TOCGLZ5zVvuclkA5YxdVxVuPg4lZo_ _32cj.GWIvSCFHTev3iW566suTiJfw7PDAaXUaUKl9J2fKOuwEbuUG4GhFr. ExUqclFyQSKJbpaI5F0K_ks2_z2HdN9g97UcNWXQGeQFPQil36l9rnz7cKpj 1lEnNLSJy_wyPmooT4PnnQbo0X7omluCuF4yKo5VV5L.0c5YABetPSPe1Rq5 Jwg1hUHtxZ9u3gORbsl3BUz5xAQtO9GZn6CtL_D34Pts9aPkSJjyjRrVxvOO atBY_CdLW1KjR_B.eXz8PIEgykoDH1_fD.ES1RKenTUgRD2L4G_Aq.Jdvbz5 zoiQQR4tnfLhLpnY9eCUBHRVCasvKNWt5rCdG.rlBliZElsecPKCmddWNNbw pKMhrIwU3sH5S0ZCiNtWBdJT1d2EpT9WFr9v6H5.tQ5P4Y8H7MJ9XZ6AT8XL vsEh1p.g7kz85zWkbQ71nNM__z2QS1Xx2L0isl5iljgGSxA-- Received: from [76.202.5.93] by web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 13:27:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FD3C790-5F4D-4FA6-8846-1B5553DBB1F5@me.com> <1337088427.46002.YahooMailNeo@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1337105401.52730.YahooMailNeo@web65903.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1337113667.32664.YahooMailNeo@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 13:27:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Waybright To: Randy Zimmermann , "tigers@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <1337105401.52730.YahooMailNeo@web65903.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen Waybright List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, Ken Miles did do an extremely crude proof of concept that couldn't even pass as an bad "Alger" if done today (auto tranny, recirculating ball steering). I'd consider the George Baskoff car to be a much more refined effort, but still just a proof of concept. There weren't design drawings or engineering testing results from that activity. Jensen did the real design/development engineering work for Rootes based on the concept from Shelby. Maybe semantics, but it's my assessment as a mechanical engineer with most my career in product development and engineering. Stephen Waybright ________________________________ From: Randy Zimmermann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits I'm far, far from an expert on the Tiger's history but from my reading of the Robson and Carroll's versions, the hot rod Alpine was a product of Ken Miles individual efforts in his home garage while the Shelby American team (under the direction of George Boskoff) produced the more "refined" V8 Alpine that was sent to England to guide Tiger production at Jensen. Ken delivered his prototype faster and it was used for the infamous Billy Rootes test drive in L.A. The Shelby American version took longer but produced a more sophisticated design and, thus, was the model forwarded to England. R.I.P. Carroll Shelby It will be interesting to follow what happens to the red Tiger that was part of his collection and could be seen in the background of the interviews Carroll gave not too long ago for the Shelby-themed Barrett-Jackson auctions. Randy Z. Duluth, MN 1967 Tiger MkIa ________________________________ On 5/15/12, Stephen Waybright wrote: > "As much as I like the Shelby connection with Tigers (and love the Tiger), it really was > limited to a one-off hot rod Alpine, proof of concept car... the real production > engineering was done by Jensen and I've never heard that Shelby had any > direct engagement with Rootes Group / Sunbeam corporate management. " > > Stephen Waybright > > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zimme008@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 16:54:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2BF42D09AD for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 16:54:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-mocinrl09.gannett.com (ent-mocinrl09.gannett.com [159.54.39.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6BE2D0942 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 15:01:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXHC02.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.20.1.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-mocinrl09.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD48839DB8A; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::d1ee:ba6b:7083:d0d]) by ENT-MOCEXHC02.us.ad.gannett.com ([172.20.1.48]) with mapi; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:01:55 -0400 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Carlo Bernardino , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 17:01:52 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Shelby Obits Thread-Index: Ac0yYCxgOFmpehSUTuuokLGrx43DGgAeWZRA Message-ID: References: <4FD3C790-5F4D-4FA6-8846-1B5553DBB1F5@me.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD3C790-5F4D-4FA6-8846-1B5553DBB1F5@me.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ooh, sore spot. I would be more than willing to say with very high confidence that Carroll Shelby was more involved with the Shelby/Dodge cars than he was with the Sunbeam Tiger. The Alpine project was given to others at his shop to determine how to make it work. He may have had some input, but this was a contracted job, not an effort he was pursuing on a personal level. The racing efforts for the Shelby Tiger were not a high priority and they only raced it for one season (I think). Shelby's efforts with Dodge were much more than "lending his name". He was directly involved with the concept and execution of the Shelby Dodges. This is not to say he was wrenching on them, he was rarely hands on with any of the cars bearing his name. The Shelby Dodges were a strong contender in the SCCA battles from 1984 with the Shelby Charger and Omni, through 1992 with the Shelby Shadow. And then there were the Shelby Can Am cars that were built at the Shelby Performance Center in Whittier, CA. These were purpose built racecars, designed in part by Pete Brock, using Chrysler sourced V-6 engines and dedicated transaxles. This race series lasted until the late nineties, I believe, and there are many still being campaigned. There is (was?)a Shelby Can Am website that lists the cars and their current owners/whereabouts, but I have not looked at/for it for a couple of years. Shelby's relationship with Dodge lasted longer than his initial relationship with Ford. Sadly these cars have not survived well and are only sought after by a relatively few dedicated souls. If you have never driven a GLHS then you are missing a very different treat. As for the late model stuff, I have not paid a lot of attention to them, but they also have a lot of Carroll Shelby input into the direction they have gone with the cars. And they are modified at a dedicated Shelby American facility in Las Vegas, NV. Again, more than "lending his name". I am not writing this to minimize Shelby's contribution to the Tiger. I believe the Sunbeam Tiger is rightfully recognized as having a claim to a Shelby American birthright and I am a proud member of the LASAAC. But let us keep a proper perspective of the efforts of Carroll Shelby and Shelby American. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carlo Bernardino Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 8:41 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Obits Like everyone in the Tiger community, I was saddened to hear of his passing. I also was saddened that I will not be able to meet the man, at a show or elsewhere. It would be need to shake the hand of one of my automotive heroes. However, one things that I find interesting that none of his obituaries in the press even mention remotely the Tiger and his involvement. Some mention great minute details of his life in Africa, or his chili pursuits, or how he helped with the Omni GLH and other cars. But no Tiger. I know I am speaking to the choir, but it is as good a time as any to set the record straight. Autoweek just posted a list of Shelby's 10 most important cars, and I wrote Dutch Mandel, one of the editors, mentioning the Tiger's omission. He countered that the tiger was like the Toyota 2000 GT that Shelby raced. I wrote back saying the two are not at all analogous. Furthermore, we could argue that he did more engineering in the tiger's case than lending his name on the modern Shelby mustangs or Omni pocket rockets. Rob Rob in Carmel, CA 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red TAC# 0519 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 16:55:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492D42C0AB7 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 16:55:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939D52D0A52 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 15:32:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo109.cox.net ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120515213308.XERF18532.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo109.cox.net>; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:33:08 -0400 Received: from eastrmwml105 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo109.cox.net with bizsmtp id AMZ71j00h4h0NJL02MZ7xe; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:33:07 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4FB2CB93.010F,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=oCnpYUhdmvqPuxLMq7fsn3FqY3je+Ql30gwju2dxGGE= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=UyHOC7Gu_PIA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:17 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=d3Xrany8ZXwIHA5-wmsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 204.61.12.74 by webmail.east.cox.net; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:33:07 -0400 Message-ID: <20120515173307.Z7AYN.923965.root@eastrmwml105> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 17:33:07 -0400 From: To: Randy Zimmermann , "tigers@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <1337105401.52730.YahooMailNeo@web65903.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Randy: Just to set the record straight, the Ken Miles-built car was NOT the car that went to England and ultimately driven by Lord Rootes himself. That would have been the white Boskoff-built Shelby-American version. The red car that you are referring to was the one that Ian Garrad had his first Tiger-like experience with on the streets of L.A. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ---- Randy Zimmermann wrote: > I'm far, far from an expert on the Tiger's history but from my reading of the > Robson and Carroll's versions, the hot rod Alpine was a product of Ken Miles > individual efforts in his home garage while the Shelby American team (under > the direction of George Boskoff) produced the more "refined" V8 Alpine that > was sent to England to guide Tiger production at Jensen. > > > Ken delivered his > prototype faster and it was used for the infamous Billy Rootes test drive in > L.A. The Shelby American version took longer but produced a more > sophisticated design and, thus, was the model forwarded to England. > > R.I.P. > Carroll Shelby > > It will be interesting to follow what happens to the red Tiger > that was part of his collection and could be seen in the background of the > interviews Carroll gave not too long ago for the Shelby-themed Barrett-Jackson > auctions. > > > Randy Z. > Duluth, MN > 1967 Tiger MkIa _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 18:22:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FF32D09BC for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 18:22:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com [159.54.39.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C22C2D0817 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 16:54:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXHC01.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.20.1.47]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4302D5E24 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 18:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::d1ee:ba6b:7083:d0d]) by ENT-MOCEXHC01.us.ad.gannett.com ([172.20.1.47]) with mapi; Tue, 15 May 2012 18:55:08 -0400 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 18:55:07 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Shelby Obits Thread-Index: Ac0yYCxgOFmpehSUTuuokLGrx43DGgAeWZRAAASdsPA= Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Shelby Obits X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This does not seem to have been distributed. Sorry if it is redundant. -----Original Message----- From: Teepen, Jere Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:02 PM To: 'Carlo Bernardino'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Shelby Obits Ooh, sore spot. I would be more than willing to say with very high confidence that Carroll Shelby was more involved with the Shelby/Dodge cars than he was with the Sunbeam Tiger. The Alpine project was given to others at his shop to determine how to make it work. He may have had some input, but this was a contracted job, not an effort he was pursuing on a personal level. The racing efforts for the Shelby Tiger were not a high priority and they only raced it for one season (I think). Shelby's efforts with Dodge were much more than "lending his name". He was directly involved with the concept and execution of the Shelby Dodges. This is not to say he was wrenching on them, he was rarely hands on with any of the cars bearing his name. The Shelby Dodges were a strong contender in the SCCA battles from 1984 with the Shelby Charger and Omni, through 1992 with the Shelby Shadow. And then there were the Shelby Can Am cars that were built at the Shelby Performance Center in Whittier, CA. These were purpose built racecars, designed in part by Pete Brock, using Chrysler sourced V-6 engines and dedicated transaxles. This race series lasted until the late nineties, I believe, and there are many still being campaigned. There is (was?)a Shelby Can Am website that lists the cars and their current owners/whereabouts, but I have not looked at/for it for a couple of years. Shelby's relationship with Dodge lasted longer than his initial relationship with Ford. Sadly these cars have not survived well and are only sought after by a relatively few dedicated souls. If you have never driven a GLHS then you are missing a very different treat. As for the late model stuff, I have not paid a lot of attention to them, but they also have a lot of Carroll Shelby input into the direction they have gone with the cars. And they are modified at a dedicated Shelby American facility in Las Vegas, NV. Again, more than "lending his name". I am not writing this to minimize Shelby's contribution to the Tiger. I believe the Sunbeam Tiger is rightfully recognized as having a claim to a Shelby American birthright and I am a proud member of the LASAAC. But let us keep a proper perspective of the efforts of Carroll Shelby and Shelby American. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carlo Bernardino Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 8:41 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Obits Like everyone in the Tiger community, I was saddened to hear of his passing. I also was saddened that I will not be able to meet the man, at a show or elsewhere. It would be need to shake the hand of one of my automotive heroes. However, one things that I find interesting that none of his obituaries in the press even mention remotely the Tiger and his involvement. Some mention great minute details of his life in Africa, or his chili pursuits, or how he helped with the Omni GLH and other cars. But no Tiger. I know I am speaking to the choir, but it is as good a time as any to set the record straight. Autoweek just posted a list of Shelby's 10 most important cars, and I wrote Dutch Mandel, one of the editors, mentioning the Tiger's omission. He countered that the tiger was like the Toyota 2000 GT that Shelby raced. I wrote back saying the two are not at all analogous. Furthermore, we could argue that he did more engineering in the tiger's case than lending his name on the modern Shelby mustangs or Omni pocket rockets. Rob Rob in Carmel, CA 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red TAC# 0519 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 19:33:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520412D07A9 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:33:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 482992C0D4F for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 16:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm22.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 22:56:20 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.224] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 22:56:20 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.99] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 22:56:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 22:56:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 413866.70257.bm@omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 63623 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2012 22:56:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pacbell.net; s=s1024; t=1337122580; bh=M6JKG4LW9mvuFguy66vTJ6OedAh6bH1eChQIOTVqJAk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=poEy0K5KCxZ+UCln67k2hOmvAeGbHl7KdxpZc4AlWCPRNmFSkiorUCoTvsnkJuAbnjffrL5Wm1Lfwbzj4TUXczqbOkF4CeFuSyYfJKCZRvsRfjM/osS0Y78tXQPA8k+XBGgZu0rB+md5wYxKiz05MWOzsKMa3DThlwEkf79mIOk= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0dLP8mN8YqrYNGV6T4TDdpnTstrNWMmM6GvZJgR3dHFPp9FdkqLZ/MLSD5pk8XArzjmOIftEVkC+lrUN9cBfV5u+2jh+P+CvUUQSdWUdV2fTGBzL78sQWRm9mVBmhbR+PxyzYCr066WfQrLXO4J3Abi9kC01Pb1QoEEIyGMcB/g=; X-YMail-OSG: Y1qD0MkVM1k2OwK23gEVSV7M384Ni620IDA2UpsmqxsCqDv IQIPwt_k7nLhFFSZiEC4_qVgzNE3a0pz8t6EUpeGu5OFx6WouI0nKH96Ntb. e6VRzqO7NbkCNXtdGxCJ12gL3sBD6s4UsXvQzP2SCqmefKF_6yoQ0ysocHkK Gpva4UgepqiCQSGWvS12j5DggTX1q52UrGrr91K2iIjmnbzWWvgVYx.hNPKv Kkx2slZJMfTvL5eQAoQkXO0TDMe.Zh0cA3TfaZWPTThcnFBoDNZiN5dLLvlI X_GVgbpc718_cJpszlg3kc8UoxS.zezdD65YCR19ExTYnrZIvHDvTReCgUlX OnA5KaMqkutW5JVfhD9TvbKojtMof7wbigF4e9glTkzie0kpIwogrdPAugc5 wSbsgP3.aa0lw_aEpIX0u5011QinGdPDwc4B3hvnnWiCu.2lNUe0z53yj7hG 7Qc9lNvLSs.VKpDlr_Ld0UpbTa8VdQQoJosYSENsltplDlTRANEuLHXS00vD xLd9qaGtbJdfY8TaBtHEzfdk4h.Be Received: from [71.80.161.49] by web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 15:56:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C8E6B4E@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> <2130082491.422712.1337036886664.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <000001cd324d$8e55a320$ab00e960$@d@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1337122580.19441.YahooMailRC@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:56:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Sandy Ganz To: "Norman C. Miller" , Dennis Newman , Gary Winblad , Theo Smit In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I call them LIEgers. Hopefully the interested parties that might bid on that car check out this list. This has been the most valuable resource for me and I can't again thank the experts that contribute to this list! Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Norman C. Miller To: Dennis Newman ; Gary Winblad ; Theo Smit Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 12:16:32 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] TWO TIMER - B382100512 LRXFE Seems like your 'notion' is spot on. Norm At 08:48 PM 5/14/2012, Dennis Newman wrote: >...snip The notion of the ALGER, as I understand it is that it is a >re-bodied Tiger, or an Alpine >with Tiger parts. What is the true definition of an ALGER. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 19:36:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806902D0A96 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:36:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176652D0779 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:00:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhgm50 with SMTP id m50so178394yhg.41 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 16:01:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=ZQIz3gA6khuAlXqNsGuJ+TbmT4bio6Rodo3TQX1e5Vs=; b=QXP9RtT15XEzSDbfQSS3yd9O9lv25gypJM5gDOXRM9L8NwbVMUXLuKHEUvrcvnHbNL FZNjLzpnm5afa1pq/+fe/U95biS6+X/vwJEm/EY9ypQQoZuUmUhzmkEppDUURF5ehVL4 NjLoTxmZh9LBe4K6wzF3lk/k5MV+nojbnMMZjmo37S1a2CJKen75hCdJ8jTchVGRMlc5 dDfPtaDGoEUsxzBTQkSi3Nu3yTgolMck2AU6glSbWxOrhhWWUFAYWGj6UGrfF1p6P/0H bpC1Md1priIiHO9hGXgMrH5tI8a7mEzfSjN1V8zbourWPhPwjzUac935wbvF5OLAJofX 7MbA== Received: by 10.50.169.5 with SMTP id aa5mr414671igc.48.1337122866959; Tue, 15 May 2012 16:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.186 (bda-74-82-80-88.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rf2sm13686168igb.0.2012.05.15.16.01.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 May 2012 16:01:06 -0700 (PDT) References: <4FD3C790-5F4D-4FA6-8846-1B5553DBB1F5@me.com> <1337088427.46002.YahooMailNeo@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1337105401.52730.YahooMailNeo@web65903.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <1337113667.32664.YahooMailNeo@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1337113667.32664.YahooMailNeo@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Stephen Waybright" ,"Randy Zimmermann" ,"tigers@autox.team.net" From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 23:01:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jay.laifman@gmail.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120516013646.806902D0A96@autox.team.net> Yeah, but Ken Miles pedigree is nothing to slouch about. I remember something like 20 years ago one of the guys on this list bought it. He owned a number of Ford derived sports cars - lots of rare ones. For some reason, he always credited me for finding the car for him. I honestly don't remember what I did to help. And sadly I know he passed away. So i'll never know. Where is that car now? Jay Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Waybright Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Tue, 15 May 2012 13:27:47 To: Randy Zimmermann; tigers@autox.team.net Reply-To: Stephen Waybright Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits Yes, Ken Miles did do an extremely crude proof of concept that couldn't even pass as an bad "Alger" if done today (auto tranny, recirculating ball steering). I'd consider the George Baskoff car to be a much more refined effort, but still just a proof of concept. There weren't design drawings or engineering testing results from that activity. Jensen did the real design/development engineering work for Rootes based on the concept from Shelby. Maybe semantics, but it's my assessment as a mechanical engineer with most my career in product development and engineering. Stephen Waybright ________________________________ From: Randy Zimmermann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits I'm far, far from an expert on the Tiger's history but from my reading of the Robson and Carroll's versions, the hot rod Alpine was a product of Ken Miles individual efforts in his home garage while the Shelby American team (under the direction of George Boskoff) produced the more "refined" V8 Alpine that was sent to England to guide Tiger production at Jensen. Ken delivered his prototype faster and it was used for the infamous Billy Rootes test drive in L.A. The Shelby American version took longer but produced a more sophisticated design and, thus, was the model forwarded to England. R.I.P. Carroll Shelby It will be interesting to follow what happens to the red Tiger that was part of his collection and could be seen in the background of the interviews Carroll gave not too long ago for the Shelby-themed Barrett-Jackson auctions. Randy Z. Duluth, MN 1967 Tiger MkIa ________________________________ On 5/15/12, Stephen Waybright wrote: > "As much as I like the Shelby connection with Tigers (and love the Tiger), it really was > limited to a one-off hot rod Alpine, proof of concept car... the real production > engineering was done by Jensen and I've never heard that Shelby had any > direct engagement with Rootes Group / Sunbeam corporate management. " > > Stephen Waybright > > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zimme008@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 19:39:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6F82D09E7 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:39:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163742D0776 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:25:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:26:09 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 19:26:09 -0400 X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.8a, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <4fb2e611.24d5.0@thecia.net> X-User-Info: 96.237.177.118 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [Tigers] the red Tiger and 'Billy' Rootes X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rande@thecia.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ' Just to set the record straight, the Ken Miles-built car was NOT the car that went to England and ultimately driven by Lord Rootes himself. That would have been the white Boskoff-built Shelby-American version. The red car that you are referring to was the one that Ian Garrad had his first Tiger-like experience with on the streets of L.A. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ' I think the red car mentioned is a regular production Tiger, not the Miles car, that is in Shelby's personal collection. 'Billy' Rootes, that would be the first Lord Rootes, didn't know about the scheming to build the V8 Alpine until he drove Shelby project in Coventry for the first time. I think the road testers in California were Ian (Garrad) and possibly John Panks, the US Rootes manager who flew to LA to meet Ian and play with the prototypes. And I'm not 100% sure Panks drove both prototypes, someone fill me in. RB _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 22:46:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3422D0817 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 22:46:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D9A2D093C for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 20:20:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q4G2L3n4021582; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:21:20 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0225 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0225.4f90dc52.5d9102; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:21:19 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1Psw8fVvA6QAIAAAAE,733dede0cc07b6b05570e1791c248978 X-Originating-Ip: 67.72.98.45 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.176.214]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Wed, 16 May 2012 02:21:16 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , "'Stephen Waybright'" , "'Randy Zimmermann'" , Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 22:21:11 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <20120516013641.24B612D09B0@autox.team.net> Thread-Index: Ac0zBHDcpbCY4H5QSkCh5fxiJyHsagABWd4g X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-16_01:2012-05-15,2012-05-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205150351 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay That was Bo Cheadle(sp)I believe and yes he had a number of Ford Race cars. He brought the beautifully restored Ken Miles car to Suni @ Big Sky. He passed away and I'm not sure what happened to the car. Safe somewhere I would hope. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jay.laifman@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:01 PM To: Stephen Waybright; Randy Zimmermann; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits Yeah, but Ken Miles pedigree is nothing to slouch about. I remember something like 20 years ago one of the guys on this list bought it. He owned a number of Ford derived sports cars - lots of rare ones. For some reason, he always credited me for finding the car for him. I honestly don't remember what I did to help. And sadly I know he passed away. So i'll never know. Where is that car now? Jay Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Waybright Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Tue, 15 May 2012 13:27:47 To: Randy Zimmermann; tigers@autox.team.net Reply-To: Stephen Waybright Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits Yes, Ken Miles did do an extremely crude proof of concept that couldn't even pass as an bad "Alger" if done today (auto tranny, recirculating ball steering). I'd consider the George Baskoff car to be a much more refined effort, but still just a proof of concept. There weren't design drawings or engineering testing results from that activity. Jensen did the real design/development engineering work for Rootes based on the concept from Shelby. Maybe semantics, but it's my assessment as a mechanical engineer with most my career in product development and engineering. Stephen Waybright ________________________________ From: Randy Zimmermann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits I'm far, far from an expert on the Tiger's history but from my reading of the Robson and Carroll's versions, the hot rod Alpine was a product of Ken Miles individual efforts in his home garage while the Shelby American team (under the direction of George Boskoff) produced the more "refined" V8 Alpine that was sent to England to guide Tiger production at Jensen. Ken delivered his prototype faster and it was used for the infamous Billy Rootes test drive in L.A. The Shelby American version took longer but produced a more sophisticated design and, thus, was the model forwarded to England. R.I.P. Carroll Shelby It will be interesting to follow what happens to the red Tiger that was part of his collection and could be seen in the background of the interviews Carroll gave not too long ago for the Shelby-themed Barrett-Jackson auctions. Randy Z. Duluth, MN 1967 Tiger MkIa ________________________________ On 5/15/12, Stephen Waybright wrote: > "As much as I like the Shelby connection with Tigers (and love the Tiger), it really was > limited to a one-off hot rod Alpine, proof of concept car... the real production > engineering was done by Jensen and I've never heard that Shelby had any > direct engagement with Rootes Group / Sunbeam corporate management. " > > Stephen Waybright > > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zimme008@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4998 - Release Date: 05/14/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 22:52:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6AC2D07F1 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 22:52:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684282D07FF for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 21:04:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Tue, 15 May 2012 23:05:00 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 23:05:00 -0400 X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.8a, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <4fb3195c.29e7.0@thecia.net> X-User-Info: 96.237.177.118 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [Tigers] Tigers & Shelby, Bo X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rande@thecia.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, it's a little disappointing that pretty much all of the writers, both during the 50th Anniversary coverage of the Cobra, and Carrolls death, failed to mention his companys' involvement in the Tiger project. It is in Carrolls' book about Cobras came about, published in 1965, as well as one book that Rick Kopec of SAAC wrote in the 1970's I don't brag that I'm driving a poor mans Cobra, but I'm sure Carrolls company deserves a heap of credit for building such a well thought out package that Lord Rootes was easy to sell on producing the Tiger. I know how many projects are tried out before you get a go ahead, and Shelby American did it on the first try, And, Jay, you were thinking of Bo Cheadle, another guy we miss as much as we do Carroll and your dad. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 00:21:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A244B2D0810 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 00:21:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAE12D07EA for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 21:48:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14so207384wib.2 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 20:48:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=IMVy1B+9GB6JvTwQ3uNdM2h1Hd0mk/YsLvz80JYhxrw=; b=c6shAYM7zhGLzIFvSGsuNycMl7o/SSurSbzVGOgOi9wOETvbBHQwTF/H8GG4OQaQIw BlWRcwNGjbBfRIbSuRuo1VGQjYD7XUKqDSr9IRM0jqZQTlygFd7IjkKPCU0Te+dom2px n/RkL7Gc2jtv30nxliD5R6DC7V2FYfdRXEr/NK15DLgc55rpnoZbZeMO7YitwGIp/H+m UImsrioVv+JBeDPlUUs0BNFf4/clxCeonndRkxRpS+//8iHhXeJFW8lV5Hd5FZUybMfN 4NQOdDoxk81Yzc4wdgGWxGUubqvKxi1SLlVgHDhzMARpLSrWvP9tqGMCOAMRlZdrsYv0 WTEg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.87.35 with SMTP id u3mr3696821wiz.11.1337140133375; Tue, 15 May 2012 20:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.25.84 with HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 20:48:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120516013643.8BE5A2D0A39@autox.team.net> References: <4FD3C790-5F4D-4FA6-8846-1B5553DBB1F5@me.com> <1337088427.46002.YahooMailNeo@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1337105401.52730.YahooMailNeo@web65903.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <1337113667.32664.YahooMailNeo@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20120516013643.8BE5A2D0A39@autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 13:48:53 +1000 Message-ID: From: michael king To: jay.laifman@gmail.com X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, The miles prototype showed up in a CA dealers a while back.. was sprooked for a while at about 90K.. went to ebay a few times without selling... think they still have it. investment motor cars. http://www.investmentmotorcars.net/inventory/detail/65tiger/detail.htm On 16 May 2012 09:01, wrote: > Yeah, but Ken Miles pedigree is nothing to slouch about. I remember > something like 20 years ago one of the guys on this list bought it. He > owned a number of Ford derived sports cars - lots of rare ones. For some > reason, he always credited me for finding the car for him. I honestly don't > remember what I did to help. And sadly I know he passed away. So i'll > never know. Where is that car now? > > Jay > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Waybright > Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Tue, 15 May 2012 13:27:47 > To: Randy Zimmermann; tigers@autox.team.net< > tigers@autox.team.net> > Reply-To: Stephen Waybright > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits > > Yes, Ken Miles did do an extremely crude proof of concept that couldn't > even > pass as an bad "Alger" if done today (auto tranny, recirculating ball > steering). I'd consider the George Baskoff car to be a much more refined > effort, but still just a proof of concept. There weren't design drawings or > engineering testing results from that activity. Jensen did the real > design/development engineering work for Rootes based on the concept from > Shelby. > > Maybe semantics, but it's my assessment as a mechanical engineer with > most my career in product development and engineering. > > Stephen Waybright > ________________________________ > From: Randy Zimmermann > To: "tigers@autox.team.net" > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, > 2012 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Obits > > I'm far, far from an expert > on the Tiger's history but from my reading of the > Robson and Carroll's > versions, the hot rod Alpine was a product of Ken Miles > individual efforts in > his home garage while the Shelby American team (under > the direction of George > Boskoff) produced the more "refined" V8 Alpine that > was sent to England to > guide Tiger production at Jensen. > > > Ken delivered his > prototype faster and > it was used for the infamous Billy Rootes test drive in > L.A. The Shelby > American version took longer but produced a more > sophisticated design and, > thus, was the model forwarded to England. > > R.I.P. > Carroll Shelby > > It will be > interesting to follow what happens to the red Tiger > that was part of his > collection and could be seen in the background of the > interviews Carroll gave > not too long ago for the Shelby-themed Barrett-Jackson > auctions. > > > Randy Z. > Duluth, MN > 1967 Tiger MkIa > ________________________________ > > > On 5/15/12, > Stephen Waybright > wrote: > > > > "As much as I like the > Shelby connection > with Tigers (and love the Tiger), it really was > > limited to > a one-off hot rod > Alpine, proof of concept car... the real production > > > engineering was done by > Jensen and I've never heard that Shelby had any > > > direct engagement with > Rootes Group / Sunbeam corporate management. " > > > > > Stephen Waybright > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zimme008@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 16:45:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAB52D075D for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 16:45:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from out02.mta.xmission.com (out02.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE86A2D077E for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 13:01:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta2.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.66]) by out02.mta.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SUjUc-0005S9-CW for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 16 May 2012 13:02:38 -0600 Received: from LynnPC (c-67-183-229-11.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.183.229.11]) by mta2.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 38A86600AA7 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 13:02:37 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lynn Wall" To: Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 12:02:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000001cd3396$77487280$65d95780$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0zlna5nEleYrlZQ5eNv/Vxcl0dQA== Content-Language: en-us X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Shelby prototype X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: cars@wt-inc.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone know where this car is?. It has been a while since I heard of its location. Lynn _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 18:35:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92232D077D for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 18:35:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3AF2D06CA for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 15:04:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so869236wgb.20 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 14:04:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KtzEMabBXgtlcDRlT4bpwW0eJCTOJmJ3+MQgIcxQlB8=; b=FDOPaVsUFKNTt6w709wLgy3Ral8T92fUsF/iX0hfrd/wjrKoHiryykJIVJKQzipClk B9zsuC3r0WAHs4qPKI9thjMa+TA6bZn6AUTz5q6VYm17k8ziCUjL47n/FnR7vCTI7gLX gZw5pjnthA7yCQEtq+T8RaaPuGG6jclLqn/Ks66b0nl4A1NCEfFE8xIFx15O9/EoQsYR y8ajSX9So3ZhTR08TDD+2NHwxAV6hN89O8xOydoPDX9rMjlTM66KQLhVk/aSEXj147UZ MQavTvmtDfCEGoaHg7niVAH3GXyV6eQFEaHkyr28FnOqE2WPUQO6RHvR8FUuZbJSgI7s mTHA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.202.170 with SMTP id d42mr3002864weo.83.1337202293501; Wed, 16 May 2012 14:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.70.198 with HTTP; Wed, 16 May 2012 14:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 14:04:53 -0700 Message-ID: From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Up For Auction X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0512-125310 Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 18:36:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D002D0763 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 18:36:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0012D07C2 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 15:08:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4GL9F4p013707 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:09:15 -0400 Received: from core-mlb002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.144]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AC675E000093 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:09:15 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 17:09:15 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.5 sub 29 X-Originating-IP: [24.218.166.140] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1337202555; bh=cvvzPPHlXZPKsfrS4GZoY9/JIkRKAWLVaN7uhz7jd1Q=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ciE4XRMGbV01k9dmN9c9Y+QsS0KG9KsJOBK0wi7YV4SAkr9UYtlaBTmLjmFdqhOr/ oTKYQqeLT1kMxJsJ63s9+Acos4b6870RG718Piz7oHLYvTN0wZFD4ypFUSwoAF3s0L zmTx9bkNv1vzbl01nKUSqwKS2z+pv0unfS2UTYQM= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:348336608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c84fb4177b4dda X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Auction Report X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In today's Mecum auction a fully restored Tiger went for $63K and a modified (347 ci 5 speed) went for $35K. M _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 18:39:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29D82C0462 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 18:39:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.135]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 207B02D07A9 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 15:34:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 21:35:18 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.88] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 21:35:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 21:35:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 799431.35069.bm@omp1025.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 39181 invoked from network); 16 May 2012 21:35:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=zwyVFx6kgg4YpSA/QFpLjLiPEPhLNU40XUbjmikgDkuKSvdkrnT8zIpt0EG5bhCcaI2HO4bOhEpn07CbTIUKsZp5uXNo2ZarkgDYfsdizpzDN0lOQd9Q0ZODhTs9CWAqAMI4juUVgcWcKLiFg2t7PO2Fp72LYYn8UmSATrGA2vA= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1337204118; bh=+7a8d5KJYOY3JW4RQoAeD02HqLKiaAfyJW/k+yZpyxc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=Zc1uAtHP01F2b4nw5K2Ugiirj7YE4lm9zaRZCJmcX1bVZu8NjPIKYLZ1wylHUQtAjnNQTrl1XyjyXyiA2hF8ZSq/92l4g45vmnEDZb8FG8Ixn8D6man/298fODHpQeyDfUiOQxn5fHFniyyuR+1xUsnz+aUk/6W6eQryRqeoVQM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: g2j4PzwVM1kUfLczr7bMzBNwcbUVMwIpY.h.MKMRPoWC2i. dzD_UIa_RwyB1jscufXTWg6TWi659L0aiuHJvGJJ0uhyIT.rngU07aqWRQoZ 2oh4OHw6m4lRdmmi.zag2aKXi4JMw8OJ7J75Su_OsAzhBGHAPX_.0H3GOu9r PfQXaYQR.0XoYNmuF5OSwjpWICxoetm.ZGptud9foT6qQxmslTspkYuJlf.H HSGaAJxNutxVJo9nAgTOH5YQGBY2skPHqbtdXeLyLXKmH62I66oekVEIo.nj Ljgj2pvlDOJmZbDu8QlobWUm3XsnHUWXa3wUfrLNyx8xpJjM8ARVr03h4Ijr .BKpInPFPvCmsecWQr0pMniy7.MOtSkFVhfBbdyCo72IRt1CoCvL3PkcBgwq x_HqsRiw_u2Cje4jyLX.EBerK1c8ZZdQdGwzRftqXmbdamdFZfZKV73_rE_H i7VPqMYdmog-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: V6lDyHCswBBj.TP3s7Sc25pDHrd93eUBHVPVP0FZT_xRE37K Received: from jeffnicholsPC (jxnichols@75.114.179.55 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2012 14:35:17 -0700 PDT From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 17:35:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3C9750A0D4D24EE881E41C10EC65D61A@jeffnicholsPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: Ac0zq8jtPlAdJqaoSlKhDfKdfwpSDA== X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Costly Business for Rootes X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Included are the last auction results I could find for the Ken Miles car: Monterey Sports & Classic Car Auction Friday, August 18, 2006 - Saturday, August 19, 2006 1964 Sunbeam Tiger Prototype Roadster LOT: 421 Estimate: $60,000-$80,000 US Chassis No. B9109464 Offered Without Reserve AUCTION RESULTS: Lot was Sold at a price of $46,750 Don't know who bought the car. Based on what Rootes paid Shelby's company back in the 1960's, Rootes believed Shelby's involvement was more than minimal. Add in $35,335 for royalties ($5.00/car), $8,700 (Carrolls Book) for the prototype, $40,000 (Taylor's book) for the first race car, you have a total of $84,055 that Rootes paid to Shelby American for work related to the Tiger. Adjusted for inflation it comes to $613,962. Not chump change by any means. JLN _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 20:22:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205472D0763 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:22:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C2C2D0654 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 16:56:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BucksLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.233.173]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M4500HRJ13UMSL0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:57:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <77E590858B404373A03C718A5E53B70E@BucksLaptop> From: "Buck Trippel" To: , References: <000001cd3396$77487280$65d95780$@com> In-reply-to: <000001cd3396$77487280$65d95780$@com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 15:57:28 -0700 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120516-1, 05/16/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby prototype X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net As of last year it was still owned by the same guy (Doug Lyle?) and was still in need of mechanical help. He declined our invitation to share it with the marque at last year's TU at the Queen Mary. As I recall, Doug's life got a bit more hectic/complicated with the arrival of a new baby. Somehow diapers became more important than an engine rebuild. Imagine that? bt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Wall" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:02 PM Subject: [Tigers] Shelby prototype > Does anyone know where this car is?. > > > > It has been a while since I heard of its location. > > > > Lynn > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 20:23:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2E62D064B for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:23:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845F12D0765 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:07:19 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=ix.netcom.com; b=FeXIcwIlgBeg1wy8jT7h7HCIV4rzyyZGKcdgRK1lsooi4jKFaQkNDcdFqPKTociX; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.127.132.78] (helo=Allans-MacBook-Pro.local) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SUnK4-0006yb-1t for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 16 May 2012 19:08:00 -0400 Message-ID: <4FB4334F.7090501@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:07:59 -0400 From: Allan Ballard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <000001cd3396$77487280$65d95780$@com> In-Reply-To: <000001cd3396$77487280$65d95780$@com> X-ELNK-Trace: 2f4fdeefbaace5eb74cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e51960688702567a5cad5fc4594184d9612c14365350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.127.132.78 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger spotting X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: aballard@ix.netcom.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I always enjoy spotting a Sunbeam whether Alpine or Tiger. Today I spotted a Forest Green Mk II Tiger on Lawrenceville Highway (metro Atlanta) headed north. I followed the car for about a mile, then the driver took the I-285 interstate northbound. The Tiger appeared to be in pretty good shape, possibly in original paint, and had the top down with a tonneau in place. It had mag wheels but I couldn't tell which ones. I'm aware of two Mk II Tigers here in metro Atlanta. Does anyone know this car? Allan Ballard Atlanta, GA Mk1a Tiger _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 20:29:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341952D078F for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:29:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E8A2D06DE for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 18:21:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4H0LdUw001205 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:21:39 -0400 Received: from core-mpe004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mpe004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.169.141]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6F3C0E00008C for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:21:39 -0400 (EDT) From: TIGEROOTES@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 20:21:39 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5002 X-Originating-IP: [63.3.6.129] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1337214099; bh=mSHiSMhwU+Y+TElzLvhe58TkYMBHNtQMkgvu9iIIvKc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=q4SYRwHqatu+Nojf3OiEOydRsDoV+nQOpe7S4c2AMhFujR0sxKVGYNrpJHFPfN6og y9m+5hGX5jh4no277vaF2Zg03mJW+8FLJvJZuiLXcTVbg0zH5WtxZAxGmCUnk5LR3w 2C9buxrtrknlwtd+0SdMj3IDvqdvp5Djnm53SxZU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:400309088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c4fb4449378f9 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dodge Shelby's X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jere wrote: " ... Shelby's efforts with Dodge were much more than "lending his name". He was directly involved with the concept and execution of the Shelby Dodges. This is not to say he was wrenching on them, he was rarely hands on with any of the cars bearing his name. The Shelby Dodges were a strong contender in the SCCA battles from 1984 with the Shelby Charger and Omni, through 1992 with the Shelby Shadow. And then there were the Shelby Can Am cars that were built at the Shelby Performance Center in Whittier, CA. These were purpose built racecars, designed in part by Pete Brock, using Chrysler sourced V-6 engines and dedicated transaxles. This race series lasted until the late nineties, I believe, and there are many still being campaigned. There is (was?)a Shelby Can Am website that lists the cars and their current owners/whereabouts, but I have not looked at/for it for a couple of years. Shelby's relationship with Dodge lasted longer than his initial relationship with Ford. Sadly these cars have not survived well and are only sought after by a relatively few dedicated souls. If you have never driven a GLHS then you are missing a very different treat." There is a farm-field on the Washington Peninsula near the Hood Canal Floating Bridge where a fellow has a collection of at least six Dodge Shelbys stored. The last time I saw them, they were not covered and just wasting away next to a Series 5 Alpine shell. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 22:08:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D26C2D0747 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:08:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com (mail-wg0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DDC2D07EB for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 18:45:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbds1 with SMTP id ds1so6214410wgb.2 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:46:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=blFANnN4/9kbtWwneblCL12NkhOjRAZLQuwpi1tXIUI=; b=FbwPNVkFPjEfKLaP1g03z9agSx4BgysUhL2Cc4ZJgKKZdaSsVaAJSDEQnFdqTZnyOC 3lZMVKyKeGA+wefVLnTfuNrTWHAaYqXcA+B8a8xBk+mOhqHZShMoQPU62222bVClZiZa UJAjz3SZEds+e3DH3Ay9TaHavZffYX8oYpr2EpEk2CmN0bXCY74ff5QEWng9Nb/vfPZz YUVEUAPVhcCJzulWs6maGQLKdpohJEK7hiJb5jPI7pj8S2V75TrkLtFCq6abBWs7i8AP mTRut9v2Usqivvu1O/h65NRqpxbOZRZjXGoNuHqnvkMU+WkDlXo7ZGFKEe7VFJTZsRVc C5Eg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.84.193 with SMTP id b1mr32972303wiz.11.1337215596556; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.25.84 with HTTP; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:46:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3C9750A0D4D24EE881E41C10EC65D61A@jeffnicholsPC> References: <3C9750A0D4D24EE881E41C10EC65D61A@jeffnicholsPC> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:46:36 +1000 Message-ID: From: michael king To: Jeffrey Nichols X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Costly Business for Rootes X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net When the car sold at auction it was bought by: investment motor cars in CA.. they then offered it for 90k... i believ ti is stil there as its still on their website. On 17 May 2012 07:35, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > Included are the last auction results I could find for the Ken Miles car: > > Monterey Sports & Classic Car Auction > Friday, August 18, 2006 - Saturday, August 19, 2006 > > > 1964 Sunbeam Tiger Prototype Roadster > > LOT: 421 > > Estimate: > $60,000-$80,000 US > Chassis No. B9109464 > Offered Without Reserve > AUCTION RESULTS: Lot was Sold at a price of $46,750 > > Don't know who bought the car. > > Based on what Rootes paid Shelby's company back in the 1960's, Rootes > believed Shelby's involvement was more than minimal. Add in $35,335 for > royalties ($5.00/car), $8,700 (Carrolls Book) for the prototype, $40,000 > (Taylor's book) for the first race car, you have a total of $84,055 that > Rootes paid to Shelby American for work related to the Tiger. Adjusted for > inflation it comes to $613,962. Not chump change by any means. > > > JLN > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 22:12:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285462D0710 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:12:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492662D0708 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:05:35 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=LXo6sym6Uhxw2IGrVKksOAmyaW8n8j30gJxIcdiCD/GwS4glHuxjL+P68/i52OSK; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.245.28.56] (helo=DIMENSION9200.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SUq6T-0003vU-54 for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:06:09 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:06:00 -0700 To: tigers@autox.team.net From: "Norman C. Miller" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 904d7a9ef3b1ea89d780f4a490ca6956d5d4673fe7faad862e2be662c8161fc52d457177cf531dc8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.245.28.56 Subject: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Would you pay $63,000 for a Tiger with this chassis plate? https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#cid=B63EA59C60AC1D44&id=B63EA59C60AC1D44%21384 Norm _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 23:52:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC762D073E for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 23:52:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5C72D06BF for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:37:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Apzf1j0081u4NiLA3qedan; Thu, 17 May 2012 02:38:37 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.118]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Aqed1j0022YtL1G8hqed4P; Thu, 17 May 2012 02:38:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 02:38:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Buck Trippel Message-ID: <1577086519.530024.1337222317219.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <77E590858B404373A03C718A5E53B70E@BucksLaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [24.7.122.212] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (zclient/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby prototype X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I think that was the Miles prototype that Doug owned, not the Shelby. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Buck Trippel To: cars@wt-inc.com, tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:57:28 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby prototype As of last year it was still owned by the same guy (Doug Lyle?) and was still in need of mechanical help. He declined our invitation to share it with the marque at last year's TU at the Queen Mary. As I recall, Doug's life got a bit more hectic/complicated with the arrival of a new baby. Somehow diapers became more important than an engine rebuild. Imagine that? bt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Wall" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:02 PM Subject: [Tigers] Shelby prototype > Does anyone know where this car is?. > > > > It has been a while since I heard of its location. > > > > Lynn > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 23:56:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548702D07D0 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 23:56:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD84B2D06FE for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 21:20:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so2855480pbb.14 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:20:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=fafnWNdbvm2JNO4f4Wf2n+7ueKKdaaq/8UV1cReJIok=; b=ZMaJhMETerSU7V5wMxTmX/xuwkiOCDgQ1n7TwYlG9sPD9cbvTpfiEPlEQSRVLpEO4T M82WzgnAWUGllocaxZHBSHF/zTJC6U9e6eFVfnFfwaay3rA8xOPpo6vT1244JXlmdwWQ 5SvnK6BWEVUVn+H6lXWAaTH9UzEAJAkrQH+uatFoQ5wjowz5/FulknEwEslG9TvuwZGy ywzBXxEZwarXRyFTSAHXZQdxlcjb5vdBOP8EWW0tcLC9UiAaMecHUYCyuxEAHHe7kcGF ZJ6vP+orb6ZtzGkvyrp/IHGMNpYkKf6Th5ALd0IN4NumQgIOnSehruV3E8NXLIJrfjS/ Gz1g== Received: by 10.68.220.100 with SMTP id pv4mr23139850pbc.116.1337224853975; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.6] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rs3sm7561197pbc.47.2012.05.16.20.20.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 16 May 2012 20:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Jay Laifman In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 20:20:50 -0700 Message-Id: <8915B3CB-95A5-4843-92B5-DEF49C5D2421@gmail.com> References: To: TIGEROOTES@aol.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dodge Shelby's X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On May 16, 2012, at 5:21 PM, TIGEROOTES@aol.com wrote: > There is a farm-field on the Washington Peninsula near the Hood Canal > Floating Bridge where a fellow has a collection of at least six Dodge Shelbys > stored. The last time I saw them, they were not covered and just wasting > away next to a Series 5 Alpine shell. > > Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle Don't tell he planned on somehow combining the Dodge with the Alpine? I guess that wouldn't be an Alger. Maybe a Shelpine? Or, Alby? ;-) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 23:57:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 619E42D0513 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 23:57:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc4-s7.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc4-s7.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.209]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3221B2D06FC for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 21:25:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL122-W50 ([65.55.34.201]) by col0-omc4-s7.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 16 May 2012 20:26:26 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [50.52.29.121] From: steve wick To: , Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 20:26:25 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2012 03:26:26.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[D76F7500:01CD33DC] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dodge Shelby's X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My oldest son has a GLHS and a CSX-T. They are definately fun cars, but no one knows about them. Steve > From: TIGEROOTES@aol.com > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 20:21:39 -0400 > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dodge Shelby's > > Jere wrote: > > " ... Shelby's efforts with Dodge were much more than "lending his name". > He was > directly involved with the concept and execution of the Shelby Dodges. > This > is not to say he was wrenching on them, he was rarely hands on with any of > the > cars bearing his name. The Shelby Dodges were a strong contender in the > SCCA > battles from 1984 with the Shelby Charger and Omni, through 1992 with the > Shelby Shadow. And then there were the Shelby Can Am cars that were built > at > the Shelby Performance Center in Whittier, CA. These were purpose built > racecars, designed in part by Pete Brock, using Chrysler sourced V-6 > engines > and dedicated transaxles. This race series lasted until the late > nineties, I > believe, and there are many still being campaigned. There is (was?)a > Shelby > Can Am website that lists the cars and their current owners/whereabouts, > but I > have not looked at/for it for a couple of years. Shelby's relationship > with > Dodge lasted longer than his initial relationship with Ford. Sadly these > cars > have not survived well and are only sought after by a relatively few > dedicated > souls. If you have never driven a GLHS then you are missing a very > different > treat." > > There is a farm-field on the Washington Peninsula near the Hood Canal > Floating Bridge where a fellow has a collection of at least six Dodge Shelbys > stored. The last time I saw them, they were not covered and just wasting > away next to a Series 5 Alpine shell. > > Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/srwick@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 23:58:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05232D07B2 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 23:58:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm18.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm18.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D1D4A2D0710 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 21:32:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.65] by nm18.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 03:33:13 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.42] by tm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 03:33:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1042.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 03:33:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 653159.33496.bm@omp1042.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 42794 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2012 03:33:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337225593; bh=XZNC8sXEUOjKdvmZl9tsFsIPJRLT3jZaFXaNDw9Fqmg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JmEXTzCe+mMqqeeTDYPKofYMkebKlT/MvCNn0VWIK8vrevlernUCdFhzaW+FWcmx+9MhqaYG5TjM2htZ9nd+LhOPO1jqjc/dhoO2GVhVKyIHvEF79ha+NdAmq6uD3sML6mbbKaX/liCSRE5j7BwUIuIHr64LUTCZMNxDgFzCfBU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dD1SEXEYTtBnhzjwxrWnoo14y4BYVo3F/uNjrB7jrVY8odRo4qnVa7dDqGd5+J4RegypkATrf1fl/nK+FAg3uD6yBmB+YabEfl/i3WjZSegCO6gaiAGjB1qCDD5q/T1x0M63RPrfL780geCwtvDL5p2FhNHHAAFdJMXe7/ybh/E=; X-YMail-OSG: WUzuES0VM1lZ5qP_dEfAIRquDR6cCEALM7J7C7LRwDGW1uo BU5l.VXXvYYLnfnszFj8lvkuwMCDd5fU1rNilYdU1hqzc3MN2ooHvkcqkesP jnZtXKbm_WCMRFBa0wXrbk0kTokbLb_z1wjO3Sqct84dvYEYNCbcu4AHQSzC Rf0Fv.xwCr_5JV7D3sq0gws7OCb50gP1QevAIwXt1Kv4tcJJjWUxR9KWSGoz mgE3Af2ETn6s52QsXMcwIibIWg60q31MKu3VylMuiwCc.jGatiASIUlcoZ3H BYYRpCro7bb4JU3zFT7zXAyuholtj3HPGOcPV16sVW2VNKTPcP5MY2MPQ389 NapVy85z9N5JtB9F16a5PAn1j9yl.C_kaEsyKKeKZqoLUS7tM5ObNDO_vpuK jvoQ- Received: from [173.67.93.130] by web113909.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:33:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <000001cd3396$77487280$65d95780$@com> <77E590858B404373A03C718A5E53B70E@BucksLaptop> Message-ID: <1337225593.36695.YahooMailNeo@web113909.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 20:33:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Douglas Lyle To: Buck Trippel , "cars@wt-inc.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <77E590858B404373A03C718A5E53B70E@BucksLaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby prototype X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Douglas Lyle List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I've still got it here in Morgan Hill. Would have been nice to get it down to the Queen Mary but the schedule didn't allow. Buck, now that you mention it I think I may be able to incorporate diapers in to an engine rebuild. Yeah, I think I can talk the significant other in to that. The car runs great as is but smokes quite a bit. That combined with 11.5:1 compression means that I don't drive it on extended trips. I do take it around town quite a bit though. I'm in the process of trying to locate a 260 with similar date coding. I've actually come fairly close but am still looking. Keep in mind this should be the early 260 with 6" spacing between the motor mounts. Those are a little harder to locate. Doug Lyle ________________________________ From: Buck Trippel To: cars@wt-inc.com; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby prototype As of last year it was still owned by the same guy (Doug Lyle?) and was still in need of mechanical help. He declined our invitation to share it with the marque at last year's TU at the Queen Mary. As I recall, Doug's life got a bit more hectic/complicated with the arrival of a new baby. Somehow diapers became more important than an engine rebuild. Imagine that? bt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Wall" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:02 PM Subject: [Tigers] Shelby prototype > Does anyone know where this car is?. > > > > It has been a while since I heard of its location. > > > > Lynn > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 01:40:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F87B2D073A for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 01:40:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBF42D0686 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:20:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo110.cox.net ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120517042121.OGMI5450.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo110.cox.net>; Thu, 17 May 2012 00:21:21 -0400 Received: from awtigerPC ([68.229.231.4]) by eastrmimpo110.cox.net with bizsmtp id AsMK1j00506M2ss02sMLqv; Thu, 17 May 2012 00:21:20 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4FB47CC1.0004,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=s1i2RV+unmn3sLkEA3lf1Tj2LikDbZyRf9iEFo2x6J8= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:17 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Zk3OmFfbAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=njMaPGfShOsAUJ3gj3wA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-ID: <8CD49A5A2CE34DE684647D0DA49353A0@awtigerPC> From: "awtiger" To: , "Norman C. Miller" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 23:21:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 Subject: Re: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Oops...looks like someone may end up with a serious case of buyer's remorse... Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman C. Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:06 PM Subject: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED > Would you pay $63,000 for a Tiger with this chassis plate? > > https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#cid=B63EA59C60AC1D44&id=B63EA59C60AC1D44%21384 > > > Norm > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 01:41:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8EA62D077E for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 01:41:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC3C2D06FF for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:26:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so1039810wgb.20 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 21:27:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TDVg2cWD6JUeBzFQ5w/5sJOwyIVqHcfIIiLtJ/7I/Jg=; b=RnrXAEXt84KN+w4HrQMc68V36rzJl4OsscbS29wRjBkNuUf50vekHp4DniK+dnj8gL YP/jlEtdhoKbOK5YrzlIJFePccK7co5LyQ3OcFeeb5nBkmm7nX+ZoFLKvYctRUq0CS63 hyindsbtdDEEL1hLRBDd/1u3zyBpfue/u76zA5Wi9AD2R/jCRHhEjHvxaXJ7Tp36aBct 2shewnC5v0jloRU5DF8LLa9iNDlGiCAM8JVVBY2oXMdSx/qyAP/Q2skWQ527TpyNSWFU lcg45SGAKIWHnN0j2cmyuuWEm7AlzTIlI+zYyCqpjWhLHF8o4A/yCkECX3HSVutvM+iB lmTA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.84.193 with SMTP id b1mr34258581wiz.11.1337228857093; Wed, 16 May 2012 21:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.25.84 with HTTP; Wed, 16 May 2012 21:27:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 14:27:37 +1000 Message-ID: From: michael king To: "Norman C. Miller" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net No wonder it sold for so much! Rootes went to the trouble that day to not only align all the VIN and engine numbers but even engraved the tag data instead of printing it on so that it just scratches off.... The irony about tigers.. the better the workmanship (ie smoother welding, better alignment more acruate the detailing).. the less likely that it's original :-P That said, it is nice that the marque is being appreciated... i just wonder if the sale is legit.. so many times they sell at these auctions.. then appear the following week on ebay for less. On 17 May 2012 12:06, Norman C. Miller wrote: > Would you pay $63,000 for a Tiger with this chassis plate? > > https://skydrive.live.com/?**cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#cid=** > B63EA59C60AC1D44&id=**B63EA59C60AC1D44%21384 > > > Norm > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/tigers/michael.s.king@**gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 05:42:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C171D2D0763 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 05:42:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F6E2D073E for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 02:09:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wefh52 with SMTP id h52so1577209wef.14 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 01:10:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=8+bHuBMFrwm0UyIW/OiHEDnOBXSuM5zZ2UeFK96ECV4=; b=c0z4Rz2/UPV+MEroI3E+VB/ASbDjd5JfawUjGXiKq77OXzrMGV/9rGaTrkiNFeBxpF 8hiFS55MIOzKAgkB3cWZgMzEr60tQm7BzRTvUoMd0wvFwkxCMew1zP14BNA9BgWe4lmP 254X61SdQ9ysx5xQPZD0bY8/4CVVqmofWhtAJ0O2T2DIWKH5C/yw6FL8OkjZsIQmsgGz JI8W+wkUipR3MIDBkJ+NIrXuClocWaH8OvU9uSNIlSISZCs42oOvJiuArbcrhbaMxnHy /FXdeAAib4QQP5jjeR7tbJjEi8h7eeRxyYrwp09ebWXyszVelwUld0KldgZhB+v8VrDW 4YbA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.144.199 with SMTP id n49mr4207621wej.25.1337242226389; Thu, 17 May 2012 01:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.25.84 with HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2012 01:10:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CD49A5A2CE34DE684647D0DA49353A0@awtigerPC> References: <8CD49A5A2CE34DE684647D0DA49353A0@awtigerPC> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:10:26 +1000 Message-ID: From: michael king To: awtiger X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In all seriousness, the car is very straight and presentable.. but.. we get back to the old thing about details... for this money have no issues with a few upgraded parts.. but simple things that are wrong just shouldn't be.. Has aluminium radiator, later edelbrock alloy manifold and 4bbl.. not original.. but all good upgrades if you are ok with them.. wooden wheel is aftermarket.. thats a personal choice.. on the down side.. Missing tiger air cleaner housing, radiator shroud, correct heater valve, interior door handles are wrong, missing plastic caps on the seat back adjuster, seems to have a seam down the carpet on the trans tunnel, has no sunbeam lettering on the front (it's a MKI) bonnet (hood) latch is painted body colour, JAL tag is not painted .. all small detail things.. and some larger issues.. the missing VIn is a concern... all up.. superficially the car is nice.. but the Vin is a concern and why so many small things that should be right aren't makes me wonder who is buying the cars at auction.. they always go high $ but there are cars out there that are better that are selling for much less. If the sale is real.. all i have to say is.. if you have a nice tiger.. dont sell it on ebay or the forums.. send it to auction! On 17 May 2012 14:21, awtiger wrote: > Oops...looks like someone may end up with a serious case of buyer's > remorse... > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > TAC #740 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman C. Miller" < > rootes1@earthlink.net> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:06 PM > Subject: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED > > > Would you pay $63,000 for a Tiger with this chassis plate? >> >> https://skydrive.live.com/?**cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#cid=** >> B63EA59C60AC1D44&id=**B63EA59C60AC1D44%21384 >> >> >> Norm >> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >> options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/tigers/michael.s.king@**gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 09:43:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4536F2D071A for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:43:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70CF2D0723 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 06:01:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so3631555obb.14 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 05:02:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=VWATzAO60BBc4Zfg6/4qKepB4IrdauaP78kxHQD2WtQ=; b=AJQfLVOL6xgfTNix9XSXt0OHD2fvFFIWotae6PJQ1Zi2a2zvQw9MWlEWqvdMKAHWJu JB3MtCcfMap+NqKo9pSwH5kJOL2vBTqxri+/Z4AOMXYVSz/Zsbxt0xTOrpkKf6Z6dFWn gnLkES1+/bS0b4xruYREbV9doGxDPZvSB9qRcsmhQdv/vF4V/RseXRHxiwep6mt+Wzuh LBErWJYx0myR3jfEVUuS8/el9o9qzHJWuqkqN/CXsVnA2FJSM+pzevTsd6m0NMYN9G/K ic2cb48VXREjnNux6tgv+QgSDG9e2PfEUsoeq8+ji7iBFwy0DKQxYW8Syat8ZNCzv0iz Qk8Q== Received: by 10.182.167.101 with SMTP id zn5mr6470518obb.13.1337256124598; Thu, 17 May 2012 05:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([72.214.96.17]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a6sm4975775obo.10.2012.05.17.05.02.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 May 2012 05:02:03 -0700 (PDT) References: <8CD49A5A2CE34DE684647D0DA49353A0@awtigerPC> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <77380D2A-3E43-4E18-8621-68D228B84ADC@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: Cullen McCann Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 07:02:03 -0500 To: michael king Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry guys, I'm still not completely following what's being said here. Can someone please clarify for me? I realize that the Vin tag is a reproduction, and I understand that that is never good, especially in tiger, but are we also saying that this tiger is not authentic? People on the list go around and around about originality. regardless of what people state in discussions, the preference on originality or the pursuit of a perfect restoration is purely a matter of opinion. Many people on this list have mildly modified tigers, with such equipment as radiators, custom steering wheels, chrome headlight rings, engine dress-up kits or rims. As we all know, modifications don't make a tiger less authentic, they just make it less original, and arguably less valuable. While I would completely avoid a tiger with a reproduction vin plate because of it's obvious tainted nature in the eyes of the community, is this car an Alger? Thanks, Cullen Alpine 260 Sent from my iPad On May 17, 2012, at 3:10 AM, michael king wrote: > In all seriousness, > > the car is very straight and presentable.. but.. we get back to the old > thing about details... for this money have no issues with a few upgraded > parts.. but simple things that are wrong just shouldn't be.. > > Has aluminium radiator, later edelbrock alloy manifold and 4bbl.. not > original.. but all good upgrades if you are ok with them.. wooden wheel is > aftermarket.. thats a personal choice.. > > on the down side.. > > Missing tiger air cleaner housing, radiator shroud, correct heater valve, > interior door handles are wrong, missing plastic caps on the seat > back adjuster, seems to have a seam down the carpet on the trans tunnel, > has no sunbeam lettering on the front (it's a MKI) bonnet (hood) latch is > painted body colour, JAL tag is not painted .. all small detail things.. > and some larger issues.. > > the missing VIn is a concern... all up.. superficially the car is nice.. > but the Vin is a concern and why so many small things that should be right > aren't makes me wonder who is buying the cars at auction.. they always go > high $ but there are cars out there that are better that are selling for > much less. > > If the sale is real.. all i have to say is.. if you have a nice tiger.. > dont sell it on ebay or the forums.. send it to auction! > > On 17 May 2012 14:21, awtiger wrote: > >> Oops...looks like someone may end up with a serious case of buyer's >> remorse... >> >> Andy Walker >> Edmond, OK >> B382001600LRXFE >> TAC #740 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman C. Miller" < >> rootes1@earthlink.net> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:06 PM >> Subject: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED >> >> >> Would you pay $63,000 for a Tiger with this chassis plate? >>> >>> https://skydrive.live.com/?**cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#cid=** >>> B63EA59C60AC1D44&id=**B63EA59C60AC1D44%21384 >>> >>> >>> Norm >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> >>> tigers@autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >>> options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >> options/tigers/michael.s.king@**gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 09:46:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEAD2D07A1 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:46:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BD32D070F for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 07:03:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4HD46G2021950 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:04:06 -0400 Received: from core-dqc005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.161.145]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8193AE00008A for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:04:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Message-ID: <4b666.2b528605.3ce65146@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 09:04:06 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.7 sub 19 X-Originating-IP: [74.104.194.16] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1337259846; bh=XSgWR3mV4PlwR4HvxyE6n/dDQ3vZhLci1GO8CxB3cqo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=k+YQvA1ck6QeFdoHuVK4iAYz6qi24qTUJyIXOyyf7hbSNB6rS1Edy1+16KkmVUmpt TEcQwwjnAZX0U+MbqEdTevHmDuaiUPMGuiUgYM9M93CXtmY+7zW6k8jMuW4POTFsyj iS16kntCckfwCsZTS839fHjtVdX/HCQM7cLMX7kU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:340686944:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c74fb4f74638bc X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] bumper mounting X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, For some time now, my front bumper seems to point to the sky, (actually at something like a 45 degree angle) and I've never been able to figure out why. And I've seen a number of Tigers with the same issue. On the other hand, I've observed many that are perfectly aligned, ie: horizontal to the road. One thing I know is that the front mounting brackets are handed. Could that be that i have them backwards? For an example of what I'm talking about, see this picture: _http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0512-125310_ (http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0512-125310) Can anyone comment, please? Best to all, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 11:49:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD03F2D0702 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:49:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF022D0702 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 08:48:02 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=ix.netcom.com; b=J16wUj8qbpnP4U52F9YFmNfmHkCP6XnxZLZ9uso0ylQlsmTAkNrab2jOCixdGz3O; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.127.132.78] (helo=[192.168.1.65]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SV20G-0006Cs-Bt for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 17 May 2012 10:48:32 -0400 From: Allan Ballard Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:48:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: Tiger List References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-ELNK-Trace: 2f4fdeefbaace5eb74cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e519606889be1e7ce6373513f12dfcbe2e5638c8b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.127.132.78 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Shelby story X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Bill is experiencing difficulties posting to the list. The following is posted on his account. Allan Ballard Mk1a ++++++++++ From: Bulpitt, Bill Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:37 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: My Shelby Story In 1991 I drove my 66 Tiger up to Road Atlanta on a Saturday morning to watch the SCCA Runoffs. One of the first people I ran into was Gene Boone who was a force in the local SAAC club and a fellow Tiger owner. He told me, You have to be here tomorrow, THE MAN (Shelby) will be driving the pace laps before the races start, and all vehicles with a Shelby connection are welcome. Needless to say, I was back on Sunday morning, and showed up on the false grid at the Road Atlanta front straightaway for the pace laps. No sooner had I pulled into position when I spotted a golf cart coming up behind me. It was Shelby himself, sporting a Viper hat. He pulled up next to me almost nose-to-nose and asked, Youre going to be in the pace lap, arent you? I quickly replied, Yes, Sir. He then said, Of all the cars I worked on, I liked these the best. I cant remember what my befuddled response was, but he waved and moved on down the line. Later, after the laps (which consisted of Shelby driving Gordon Stennis 289 Cobra, 28 Shelby Mustangs, and me) we all assembled in the infield and he signed all the cars (mine under the trunk lid). Reflecting on what he said later, he probably didnt really mean Tigers were his favorites (he was a salesman, after all) but it cost him nothing and made me feel like a million bucks. All in all, a memorable and wonderful day Bill Bulpitt William S. Bulpitt, P.E. Principal Mechanical Engineer URS Corporation 1000 Abernathy Road, NE, Suite 900 Atlanta, GA 30328 Tel: 678-808-8827 Cell: 404-387-6982, 770-329-5263 bill.bulpitt@urs.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 13:46:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D7E2D06FA for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 13:46:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F7D82D0708 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 10:08:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.93] by nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 16:09:06 -0000 Received: from [209.191.108.97] by tm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 16:09:06 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.107] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 16:09:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 16:09:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 82600.1768.bm@omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 62912 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2012 16:09:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pacbell.net; s=s1024; t=1337270945; bh=BnJD9yiN+Y/7IDgJKF20f8H/ooJjNbcfLJNcJZFqalo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LyTw53NhW4LgJJPHKxYXVt0os+ykdyQB6h8bXqJR6wbkRJF/y84dPVZSfSK6fbV6elRep24Jg056fl4knNy4K5Ur0MGK0LUtTwH1GezCYoZpedfL1NKYquWoI69KRIZbPDlJ0EMWmYI0wv2w7JvbGe7FT5LuINErx4GlRv3ow7c= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=beRfYKTEvH5Ra0cTZj4nwvJjVrsJQbdxwxenLzRqDholaAQrbWnNP9b+z/hckpi6f1tgvc22lQX6XPHBIg6KLqhe9TkG54JCCOS1wNjRq8BerflxPrx0OhASf49Rs6YBitY9CMvEubgt/bP0t0eA1VOaAm+LaM/C49hybxEXYgQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 6P9s4CkVM1kSzI8hdJo4Jv0WHAnJ_3JIN27gKUaHLPDv.cS nK_vzhSEeBXCx4EemdR_NmIh9RTvMawRDi63ns1.U37JZqwqDKqlIKI_VXd0 X7aoXhWBHZ.yhxR.rF6..ISg0NYQVYHGXXKNBEK_iTCrctWgYZjdjQRWMvAQ hwo65HpQxH_y2LvN_AjgmTAHxkd.Z_dOL41XC4.qD86aplhduwUpF8aHoOi2 SytkVPVzTxmP8EOLiYKZ5F_wgheRdxnjqHgr2UoA0fA.sLLS2ecLP4DyXgxG PlpkldeFqozff.e.aoieaHxL6fROMgdc8Nx7dyABdZxXat90PHjnEftLSpd9 _RACSJnlJFDUHaAcJvsLPs4qtPqMxJibrE45q04E56UeZZcjouyBWBHn6hxI N5w4VMIHM7AaXOPwikiR343drpyUFvaQelDhLWiBALmKZGSmboTK2YwyF38L ly4xicV9FD8kJt7Z3crTy5981apb5uMLL4gU4DL0U7Spta.PyUmWdc.Mgb7M .eXsLm92kyzb_YfuVM.mCNdb5yXJISc9D4Umn5ddxi4zrdtgm9eTWUP_GNFo Nt0Jwu2hlswypmdzPrtVnFM7vj1M2kNW9SFYJfnD6gpg.uu3AlV_j Received: from [71.80.161.49] by web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:09:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4b666.2b528605.3ce65146@aol.com> Message-ID: <1337270945.53085.YahooMailRC@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 09:09:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Sandy Ganz To: Rollright@aol.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net In-Reply-To: <4b666.2b528605.3ce65146@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Tigers] bumper mounting X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It hasn't been in a wreck to get it straightened out... Ok, that's my morning sarcasm! But I have seen the same on a few too, makes it look funny and like they didn't finish adjusting something. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Rollright@aol.com" To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 8:47:09 AM Subject: [Tigers] bumper mounting Hello, For some time now, my front bumper seems to point to the sky, (actually at something like a 45 degree angle) and I've never been able to figure out why. And I've seen a number of Tigers with the same issue. On the other hand, I've observed many that are perfectly aligned, ie: horizontal to the road. One thing I know is that the front mounting brackets are handed. Could that be that i have them backwards? For an example of what I'm talking about, see this picture: _http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0512-125310_ (http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0512-125310) Can anyone comment, please? Best to all, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 13:51:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708AA2D0721 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 13:51:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6F02D0651 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 10:44:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B4it1j0011GhbT8514ksW0; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:44:52 +0000 Received: from sz0158.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.226]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B4ks1j0054srf2c3T4ksyv; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:44:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 16:44:52 +0000 (UTC) From: stubrennan@comcast.net To: Rollright@aol.com Message-ID: <740958376.669679.1337273092634.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4b666.2b528605.3ce65146@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [199.36.96.24] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (zclient/6.0.13_GA_2944) Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] bumper mounting X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My guess is that a previous owner bumped something and it bent up a bit. We always blame previous owners for these things, right? Sunbeam bumpers and the mounting structure are not as strong as new bumpers, after all. Mine had the same problem, one of the two PO's of course. I had this friend who was into welding, and a few minutes with a torch and a 6 pack later my bumper was much straighter. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 16:17:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77EA32D06F7 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:17:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FCF2D0679 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 12:11:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q4HI8s1l018381; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:12:11 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0224 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0224.4f90dc56.639b52; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:12:04 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PtT90HP10ewIAAAAC,a46e4dab763035e572dab4e50f66f8ed X-Originating-Ip: 67.72.98.45 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.179.207]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:12:00 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 14:11:54 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-reply-to: <4b666.2b528605.3ce65146@aol.com> Thread-Index: Ac00RFCzEuKDI8/9T7KIiJrIp1iQzQAE7f4g X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-17_05:2012-05-17,2012-05-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205170188 Subject: Re: [Tigers] bumper mounting X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jim It's possible you swapped the mounting brackets. You should take your bumper off and try that to see what happens. I know I had to use some gentle persuasion on the brackets and mounts with a pry bar to get my bumper closer to level. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:04 AM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] bumper mounting Hello, For some time now, my front bumper seems to point to the sky, (actually at something like a 45 degree angle) and I've never been able to figure out why. And I've seen a number of Tigers with the same issue. On the other hand, I've observed many that are perfectly aligned, ie: horizontal to the road. One thing I know is that the front mounting brackets are handed. Could that be that i have them backwards? For an example of what I'm talking about, see this picture: _http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0512-125310_ (http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0512-125310) Can anyone comment, please? Best to all, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/5005 - Release Date: 05/17/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 16:18:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F85D2D06CC for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:18:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739492D06FD for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 12:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B43W1j03n1wfjNsA16Uvp9; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:28:55 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.118]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B6Uv1j00L2YtL1G8j6UvrR; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:28:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:28:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Allan Ballard Message-ID: <1108118865.555625.1337279335300.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [24.7.122.212] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (zclient/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby story X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >Reflecting on what he said later, he probably didnt really mean >Tigers were his favorites (he was a salesman, after all) but it cost him >nothing and made me feel like a million bucks. yeah, he WAS a salesman. But I wouldn't discount what he said. My story about Shel was at a Shelby/Tiger club race day at Willow Springs in 'bout 1992-1994(?). I was looking at a ratty old Tiger (on a trailer cuz...) with a for sale sign when he walked up. I filmed with my old cam-corder for what seemed like an hour as he asked the owner very specific questions (how much bondo, rust, etc.) and I was convinced that HE was really interested in buying the "beautiful Tiger".. I think I have it on an old VCR tape somewhere.. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan Ballard To: Tiger List Sent: Thu, 17 May 2012 14:48:30 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Shelby story Bill is experiencing difficulties posting to the list. The following is posted on his account. Allan Ballard Mk1a ++++++++++ From: Bulpitt, Bill Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:37 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: My Shelby Story In 1991 I drove my 66 Tiger up to Road Atlanta on a Saturday morning to watch the SCCA Runoffs. One of the first people I ran into was Gene Boone who was a force in the local SAAC club and a fellow Tiger owner. He told me, You have to be here tomorrow, THE MAN (Shelby) will be driving the pace laps before the races start, and all vehicles with a Shelby connection are welcome. Needless to say, I was back on Sunday morning, and showed up on the false grid at the Road Atlanta front straightaway for the pace laps. No sooner had I pulled into position when I spotted a golf cart coming up behind me. It was Shelby himself, sporting a Viper hat. He pulled up next to me almost nose-to-nose and asked, Youre going to be in the pace lap, arent you? I quickly replied, Yes, Sir. He then said, Of all the cars I worked on, I liked these the best. I cant remember what my befuddled response was, but he waved and moved on down the line. Later, after the laps (which consisted of Shelby driving Gordon Stennis 289 Cobra, 28 Shelby Mustangs, and me) we all assembled in the infield and he signed all the cars (mine under the trunk lid). Reflecting on what he said later, he probably didnt really mean Tigers were his favorites (he was a salesman, after all) but it cost him nothing and made me feel like a million bucks. All in all, a memorable and wonderful day Bill Bulpitt William S. Bulpitt, P.E. Principal Mechanical Engineer URS Corporation 1000 Abernathy Road, NE, Suite 900 Atlanta, GA 30328 Tel: 678-808-8827 Cell: 404-387-6982, 770-329-5263 bill.bulpitt@urs.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 16:20:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA202D0797 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:20:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f50.google.com (mail-qa0-f50.google.com [209.85.216.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6411B2D06FA for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 12:37:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qafl39 with SMTP id l39so2201846qaf.2 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:37:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=munroe.ca; s=google; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=DYqA/Eo81tIw/MXcXsn5bht0dUr7jX2QUvtY5fN8Vkk=; b=pzIS2c4DwVyDaBd0F9/Admcpii9XOqagyLFRM5/KKHYnSeLn1tWuxHg+v92pJnNk4n bwdsJiYzEAKzeb/Wrh6/+wjtKz82n0eB8ZuN5el6+OkxVu3dBlTxHq4OyQTTRw62ZKiw z8Sk3bbQqIY/EGLdu1Jbu58oS4hLFr89zZM6k= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=DYqA/Eo81tIw/MXcXsn5bht0dUr7jX2QUvtY5fN8Vkk=; b=lQP1WxF2ymESMU9y8q7SbBxBRiZ7NlbczPwGqAlAP/nzIHOXQCsl3Un7rtSKh30kRY OaXDWrgQ6mUIsbFHF3aoDhAaFWEXI//xTpzqQfFMZ6lfJRvAT7Jc051H5RPX9G8oLTQZ EI3z7/5+XjuwKOyIyjW7DPCnz5fSZ6HKAVmZmHY0xZeG34yRaA0Xb3lqHggVZb/m0pHH tdGTPI1voWhcJubQtwCWUdVnxpWcpYkzl1YtFu5OUNJAFrWQOpO75PK5o8l/KHVKIYAK E34lxIRn82tiB4EL5c2miLp3GLKTjc0yqNtI6viD9d0mbG3NGWqRFHqKJq9jKg3uxJ5m /Jvw== Received: by 10.224.180.212 with SMTP id bv20mr18242356qab.4.1337279871557; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DavePC (DRMONS0505W-142134038140.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net. [142.134.38.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dl3sm16155122qab.9.2012.05.17.11.37.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 May 2012 11:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9469594148F9402F9DC64C0DAB039603@DavePC> From: "Dave Munroe" To: , "Norman C. Miller" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 15:37:50 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmSUlcWvpt6gHM10UONb3zYyenLTGIv/4/Hx1OGqNeEF8ERM9KT94cYtPg1fIL9rVtfonX7 Subject: Re: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Norm: This is an important point - why WOULD any knowledgeable person pay this much money for this VIN plate with a Tiger (?) attached? The key word here is "knowledgeable". I was not "Tiger knowledgeable" when I bought my car in 2002, and didn't know the importance of a correct, in position with the right rivets, VIN plate, to its provenance. My bad, even stupid, I accept. However, over time, and with the help of the intelligence available from the members of this list, and with the help of an expensive eBay copy of the "Book of Norman", I became much more aware of this detail. I also became convinced of the authenticity of my particular Tiger. This was confirmed when I had my car TAC'd at the TE/AE Annual gathering in Rockland, Maine in 2010. A gang of five inspectors swarmed over, under, inside and around my car for the better part of an hour, and became convinced of my car's origin as a Tiger from the Jenson plant. It passed, without a VIN plate. I also had the interesting opportunity at that time to meet the person who "restored" my Tiger back in 1986-88 for the previous owner, and asked him about the missing VIN plate. I got a shrug and a question mark hanging over his head. I wonder where it went?? So here I am with a TAC'd Tiger and no VIN plate. What are my options? 1/ Make a replacement as authentic as possible and hope no one notices. (Bad idea because it has as its basis an attempt to deceive the observer. Discovery leads to suspicion that the car is a fake.) 2/ Leave it off and explain the circumstances to a prospective buyer. (Good option but guaranteed to reduce the value of your car to a knowledgeable potential buyer.) 3/ Make a nice but obvious replacement that will also trigger some doubt as to the authenticity of the car to a potential buyer, but leaves you with the opportunity to explain its presence.) The obvious lesson here is that if you have a Tiger without an authentic VIN plate, your car is worth less than if it had one, regardless of its condition. Know this if you are buying and negotiate the price accordingly. Know this also if you are selling and react according to your conscience. If you believe "caveat emptor", and can sleep at night after deceiving an unsuspecting buyer with a fake VIN plate, good luck to you. If not, bite the bullet and do the right thing. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman C. Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:06 PM Subject: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED > Would you pay $63,000 for a Tiger with this chassis plate? > > https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#cid=B63EA59C60AC1D44&id=B63EA59C60AC1D44%21384 > > > Norm > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 16:20:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C0B2D06FC for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:20:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f50.google.com (mail-qa0-f50.google.com [209.85.216.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC12E2D06DC for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 12:43:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qafl39 with SMTP id l39so2206944qaf.2 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:43:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=munroe.ca; s=google; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=0LgFboewIN9mnqYvtCv/H7lj94gCc40IMIzUesxH67s=; b=NhcACLjAcvo5HuXXKJQ4MxdB/15zgLuVSxfKVmtEB6LEpEjn1QqaRng6W1LLCXWX3+ M8JY+LGEb3zfM2r5aVRBKBQ/EBzXoJIj8IYHJKOh2HYjBPBqOqd87YE9mZlXozmUMbeH 51KXChXSsz8fMAqsnDZxfc+cb3O4DRn5RZmdI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=0LgFboewIN9mnqYvtCv/H7lj94gCc40IMIzUesxH67s=; b=hUtd/eRAkETxpPt76c1DGsKJ019DasxiQJc5tU1eCD5mF17QRrFgUkP91v7vfPSDaE YDF5Jh9fgP15+RjhHTWa+VtrFqlv87RGW5l60NUC/l+rI30NmDUyLYZgvJ2TU2ou3ESj cmucAEWh9eaP9Lh7/1yr9uJy26WV4vEwVAnXtlN9Yab/3UP0janwpVzlh/GfeYiW2gd4 NBuYWY+qpMD54NsiAHvfbuWsQUDi5IG9dwwNgB0/qcbDMk0ZSDnfDOa+74L6Khw4V+f0 Rz99OieEEOcHU51Ooi0y8V97Fu2Z+Y83FDDLCCTz2zb5vGPP4ShVIbnRn7jijJqpoEIp xuEg== Received: by 10.224.42.16 with SMTP id q16mr17836636qae.70.1337280233129; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DavePC (DRMONS0505W-142134038140.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net. [142.134.38.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gy9sm15955498qab.22.2012.05.17.11.43.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 May 2012 11:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0D61B5C635CF4700A5007C1BD210D69C@DavePC> From: "Dave Munroe" To: , References: <4b666.2b528605.3ce65146@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <4b666.2b528605.3ce65146@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 15:43:52 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl9cLvM3EMVYewrBts4jROKzF/jYbiKOxBJ3RHMcNz84YfIY/zKIEZinQplZ777aoP4ieRm Subject: Re: [Tigers] bumper mounting X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Jim: I can't wait to hear the answer to this question - my car has a similar, but not so severe, tilt skywards...correction by adjusting the bumper mounts is not easy. There is some play in the holes that the bolts go through, but not enough to make my bumper horizontal. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:04 AM Subject: [Tigers] bumper mounting > Hello, > > For some time now, my front bumper seems to point to the sky, (actually > at > something like a 45 degree angle) and I've never been able to figure out > why. And I've seen a number of Tigers with the same issue. On the other > hand, I've observed many that are perfectly aligned, ie: horizontal to the > road. One thing I know is that the front mounting brackets are handed. > Could > that be that i have them backwards? > > For an example of what I'm talking about, see this picture: > > _http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0512-125310_ > (http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0512-125310) > > Can anyone comment, please? > > Best to all, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 18:19:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96EBF2D06D6 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:19:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm23.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm23.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CCBB2D06F2 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 14:15:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.189] by nm23.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 20:15:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.147] by tm2.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 20:15:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 20:15:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 173272.79952.bm@omp1030.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 80075 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2012 20:15:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337285751; bh=pr/dNG8bc4Lcbz+SCf3WDzuj4bO/Ns7DUQye86qWVQw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=N+U2JVtIdq+Tq0MoZdnwtUfKPqt2IMpTPLYaoCQhMy8TfK8soiJ81O1scEl3C6Ms9i9Rz1uT+GOKR3hwEwPeDM/XUr7jXw70LynVG5myK/ILUNTtceUkqZLAPQzz8K1zB44b+Is34bUYPLmO+vKOvNX+3pJyxWGg4UyLodKjgpE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xQIXUlkv/JNKbVCA81C9wMO5FuelrAG2o9M1VgSdFj6+qW6VPoqBtRQSsRfZoCJZoFN+OSk4KpM2foOmGalPE76XiX14J+d56UHWulaHIT/D9cETRvFslMLFYAlSWrJ0WWjDMf5uBiYQMMUhmV7SOqwnrz45DEjSFkuGJ44dUuU=; X-YMail-OSG: XD7f56YVM1nnp6HOatfa8NJW1mlTu3IvcH0RIHeBYEUoBXd o5UW7I204eKimM_hNR3ie_S004gEXiojQmFBjQiZO9BapkMbm34oVAorbrrC dzImfyP2Ii4EtuwVDVSrfhoaYxtJZdcBJwZa6wX0KguWPY61qHdj7R_SE7lv 6WCltxGREowMDzGzaZWNPNgbQOowqmvvNX..1FmttZZSECzsgiqP6OpCBYfD jG8zQWMQUwgK2JcIWpDhl3kvB6oGA0Ht3npkIVefwl.MR61aRwVTt2kAY4.k ez2uwWnM_Fz0Eha0N6Iarv.KYOxYTkbNG_eJUmTpb_1nRmbqM.4.W69ig_xH 7f6twiEeJK4glfP2jcr2bMUjUZMwalZ20JoWe2udKZrF5Kvt4Q242nALtVui gT4pOfBE_1FZtz3ovUI9av1YovUW8YoZVrO4Gftrg.WTj.qvcvq_5ieRcNS9 fsBuy.7aMQlycnI8dVEfrfxGbrIhZzcx_0oO3sqCMIWm6KD7AduZd6_l5Crc 7KjAGNKZIN4SD9Vw9.6d1CcT0RLPxXJqU6_vtzMxu Received: from [143.110.33.211] by web65904.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2012 13:15:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4b666.2b528605.3ce65146@aol.com> <740958376.669679.1337273092634.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1337285751.79865.YahooMailNeo@web65904.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 13:15:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Zimmermann To: "stubrennan@comcast.net" , "Rollright@aol.com" In-Reply-To: <740958376.669679.1337273092634.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "tigers@Autox.Team.Net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] bumper mounting X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Randy Zimmermann List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A couple of years after my restoration was completed I noticed the right side of my rechromed front bumper had a case of the jiggles. I thought, simple enough, the bolts had vibrated loose. When I tried to apply a wrench to the bolt it just spun. Turns out the welded-in channel for the bumper bolt had just broke completely free of the valance. Like Stu, I took some beer over to my favorite body shop guy and had him weld it back into place. The alignment was even better than before. Randy Z. To: Rollright@aol.com Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] bumper mounting My guess is that a previous owner bumped something and it bent up a bit. We always blame previous owners for these things, right? Sunbeam bumpers and the mounting structure are not as strong as new bumpers, after all. Mine had the same problem, one of the two PO's of course. I had this friend who was into welding, and a few minutes with a torch and a 6 pack later my bumper was much straighter. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zimme008@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 18:20:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849132D0718 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:20:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29902D06DF for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 15:07:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B8qQ1j00217UAYkAD989vT; Thu, 17 May 2012 21:08:09 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.118]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B9881j00e2YtL1G8Z988TF; Thu, 17 May 2012 21:08:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 21:08:08 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: stubrennan@comcast.net Message-ID: <224772587.563652.1337288888656.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <740958376.669679.1337273092634.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [24.7.122.212] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (zclient/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Rollright@aol.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] bumper mounting X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >the mounting structure are not as strong as new bumpers, after all. What is the British word for "FLIMSY"? Most all Tigers are bent at least a little.. mine sure are.. As I recall, the brackets are the same on both sides (I don't think they can be upside down as someone asked). I also think they can be bent back without need of a torch, just a big wrench and/or vice or you can even do it on the car. My front bumper has kind of a "twist" that I haven't figured out how to fix (its not worth messing up the chrome IMHO). Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: stubrennan@comcast.net To: Rollright@aol.com Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Thu, 17 May 2012 16:44:52 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] bumper mounting My guess is that a previous owner bumped something and it bent up a bit. We always blame previous owners for these things, right? Sunbeam bumpers and the mounting structure are not as strong as new bumpers, after all. Mine had the same problem, one of the two PO's of course. I had this friend who was into welding, and a few minutes with a torch and a 6 pack later my bumper was much straighter. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 18:25:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954B72D06FA for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:25:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA70E2D06F7 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4HMKk9s030835 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:20:46 -0400 Received: from core-mid002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mid002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.104.66]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C7D3CE000082 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:20:46 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pldflyer@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36081-STANDARD Received: from 72.152.217.240 by webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com (205.188.168.24) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 17 May 2012 18:20:46 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF029270E89514-1024-5C2E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [72.152.217.240] Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:20:46 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1337293246; bh=RXue456J3mEE/9TDOLO2C7t0ipVAO0dQfDqvtB4X+Ns=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=K2CgTgpEQ86Sqi4bhKpLzyYchKNqlOjbV17aC8qyJfCvlYPTPTA0TEmvI6DmhctlZ N9SdATNUR2NGaWkOXRVC4Oba78suC5hQUiA2bT2E4osjJUYJi/T1mcerNGaYr9dSu6 BxIUtli2XuKdTxiTHy1LAy47XmNQNw/kCUBLL3lg= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:224018080:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29494fb579be4522 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] bumpers X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The bumpers pointing up are put on upside down Patrick Deschner _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 20:24:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A066E2D0707 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 20:24:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145FF2D06C7 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 17:55:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Main (rbn1-216-180-75-62.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.75.62]) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id q4HNuYMQ012959 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:56:35 -0500 From: "James W. Burruss, Jr." To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:56:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1491261EA877462C91CB00B23ED2D729@Main> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac00ep2yxtB3ffsZTzGNalXnXOj3egADNoew Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 171 X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I believe Shelby was the honorary race marshal for the Runoffs that year. I'm not an autograph collector, but when it was announced that he would be signing autographs, I decided to get in line. All I had was a 3x5 sheet of paper. As he autographed it, I mentioned that my son and I both own Tigers; but he said nothing and seemed distracted. Perhaps he was tired, but a response would have been nice. Jim Burruss From: Bulpitt, Bill Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:37 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: My Shelby Story In 1991 I drove my 66 Tiger up to Road Atlanta on a Saturday morning to watch the SCCA Runoffs. One of the first people I ran into was Gene Boone who was a force in the local SAAC club and a fellow Tiger owner. He told me, You have to be here tomorrow, THE MAN (Shelby) will be driving the pace laps before the races start, and all vehicles with a Shelby connection are welcome. Needless to say, I was back on Sunday morning, and showed up on the false grid at the Road Atlanta front straightaway for the pace laps. No sooner had I pulled into position when I spotted a golf cart coming up behind me. It was Shelby himself, sporting a Viper hat. He pulled up next to me almost nose-to-nose and asked, Youre going to be in the pace lap, arent you? I quickly replied, Yes, Sir. He then said, Of all the cars I worked on, I liked these the best. I cant remember what my befuddled response was, but he waved and moved on down the line. Later, after the laps (which consisted of Shelby driving Gordon Stennis 289 Cobra, 28 Shelby Mustangs, and me) we all assembled in the infield and he signed all the cars (mine under the trunk lid). Reflecting on what he said later, he probably didnt really mean Tigers were his favorites (he was a salesman, after all) but it cost him nothing and made me feel like a million bucks. All in all, a memorable and wonderful day Bill Bulpitt William S. Bulpitt, P.E. Principal Mechanical Engineer URS Corporation 1000 Abernathy Road, NE, Suite 900 Atlanta, GA 30328 Tel: 678-808-8827 Cell: 404-387-6982, 770-329-5263 bill.bulpitt@urs.com ------------------------------ *************** _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 20:25:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8E92D0787 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 20:25:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F3742D05E1 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 14949 invoked from network); 18 May 2012 00:22:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=A8b23IZRBLcbxh9dAHwKLheSku+UUAWYVE/oVu8LaXY6s+0k/EMqcRcAtbtdl0k2uRVwVNtM1mAtnoN0sxra/8CsSKdqwt3snMy+3pXZoYbd2qJjAevumxHshcvdF6csNg/BYT9ZH6PXhdKHrgoO0FvyApcmN3em3H/hHcjkO8A= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337300561; bh=8gN947lswUCO/5TcCMjUmhsQbmOCMFVw66RJ+32Bs2U=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=vyCNQNRJt1Tqu9Oiw3mQxfRwop3oqEyrmultYTYS8mntf9fgxzJ+RFCHtMauP50WmJepKWL+gQVsYWeM+O+ftrl0Kc4wDVIyCn9Z8mPKnei3JfRbxS18fVywTIGtPjUWFlS5jdpV480fMB2yQ4C0Fa7VjJwsCo+yIlOnufXqNVE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: UkVVBsYVM1laGbDmr3ooEpUFkhwyUfSSNb1Y6jIz.EXnjkX ChtqPRtu3CfGsoKYPHacBzlyrLuc1GJbi16TlH18KWQv_1WQIT722H7nZkUP tQ9ZLmCt_EkoldN3YgCXqxeK0YinP25Ft0MY9V7Y_WlMlX5ualKSSyh7nw6x x_Pd7MBCM4HSpasxyFkcFeZI46Hb2ta.KjyUmMX7YNOBAoQdLnIwTF84ZKHM VfzKxHNQsSEHQvt6WEshnZizAALyfKPuRXER8gl48gb7.ZZzrTPuteoYKcUk JOpxWINo6hUZjIinzmkeIQN8iuMhQxVVUs6.psW5pNeATa2Z_FsYlE9IBdHR z_KQ5pBzgnx8mv6b25X8mVcMJhx7IYF7.UEz9wJgk.7dKDE0U7Yt38B2D3y0 hwG.tn5Gtci8nA_IcdThJf9opoVXw7Gi707oQjpLrkSobuaQscBrSpTgrwoF WdDmoAuq_N2IEGDfhtZ8OOt2Zre4N67xLosVYPScpQ1NXohyegnHE9iL8aP0 EbbF5AqL03QtHabNvekwt.un7CpoxfT0uxmfgbZTCZ_AgMn_xDV0wRPakAcH .1E2zfaVogcs- X-Yahoo-SMTP: mdh5Q2yswBDHkY3ES1HLq7sjh8.zow-- Received: from [10.0.1.11] (laurin212@69.86.55.247 with plain) by smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2012 17:22:41 -0700 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Peter Laurinaitis In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 20:22:21 -0400 Message-Id: <7687C321-AC3B-4331-BFDC-EAF3D082D890@yahoo.com> References: To: Norman C.Miller X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net folks pay millions for a ferrari that started as not more than a rolling frame, with every single inch of sheet metal newly fabricated... On May 16, 2012, at 10:06 PM, Norman C. Miller wrote: > Would you pay $63,000 for a Tiger with this chassis plate? > > https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#cid=B63EA59C60AC1D44&id=B63EA 59C60AC1D44%21384 > > > Norm > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/laurin212@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 20:26:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404132D06F6 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 20:26:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED0D2D06F5 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:24:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wefh52 with SMTP id h52so2399676wef.14 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 17:25:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ElgqtAouLsorG2Craon8QOw2MZwXnO6TR7QKIpmFw/E=; b=STWW02dMs0uewz61J+SiGstVYEWgs8lF5JUKnq8WDgcaW9apoTo2Wi/Z78fdy/LF/V t8xCKuvTdjWsXhgx1fmWhFmbrqRsPb4c140ITCi4XiG0aQ6F85IMEF+CrHaUqKfCP/c2 Gbc7SCGeNPvYa8uIzZA7YJpngMmPa2IHgxghoNYFboY/kLfpEz9qfIu/FS5bFknvRwvj b5BJK/CtvDWAbyM75K9Jwj9l1h6YyscQ6qxc9qEzh82qlWYhyZc0DvxaEbnzIL235lYW KA2uTQJAE0kAipIsxn7yB5eHFMlMdSeYfFXDBcrRV6hlzRJAC3VOe0+JcHt2UwC9ol++ 6r1A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.75.241 with SMTP id f17mr22941465wiw.11.1337300735731; Thu, 17 May 2012 17:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.25.84 with HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2012 17:25:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <224772587.563652.1337288888656.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <740958376.669679.1337273092634.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <224772587.563652.1337288888656.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:25:35 +1000 Message-ID: From: michael king To: Gary Winblad X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Rollright@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] bumper mounting X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Gary, i wouldnt pull to hard forward on them when mounted to the car.. the vertical face on the front leg that thy bolt into is VERY THIN.. the face just snaps out with the captive nut.. this happened on my SII Alpine.. welded in a 3mm C shaped peice over the front face.. much stronger now and nice and level. > I also think they can be bent back without need of a torch, just a big > wrench and/or > vice or you can even do it on the car. My front bumper has kind of a > "twist" that I haven't > figured out how to fix (its not worth messing up the chrome IMHO). > > Gary > > -- > Regards > > Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 22:21:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7772D06D8 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 22:21:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319672D06BB for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:51:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BCrk1j0040cZkys51Cs4BJ; Fri, 18 May 2012 00:52:04 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([71.233.107.30]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BCs31j01c0fNubr3WCs4jM; Fri, 18 May 2012 00:52:04 +0000 Message-ID: <783F6727569944AEBF7537F074ACFA32@sbrennanPC> From: "Stu Brennan" To: "Tiger Net" Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 20:52:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Brake Flex Hoses X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Has anyone else noticed a difference in their replacement flex hoses recently? I got a set from Classic Sunbeam, and started installing them this past weekend. The first thing I noticed was that the nut that secures the body end of the hose onto that tab would not easily spin onto the fitting. It had easily spun off of the old hose. I quickly made a bthread chaserb for it, and the nut spun on with little interference. I compared the thread pitch between old and new hoses, and they seemed to match. OK, dial caliper time. The peaks of the threads were about 0 .36 inch on the old, 0.366 on the new. Measured as best I could, the bvalleysb on the thread were 0.342 on the old, and 0.335 on the new. So despite the pitch being the same, the new thread has a slightly larger outer diameter, and a slightly different shape. Measuring between the flats on the hex, the old was 0.565, the new was 0.60, and actually would not fit into the cutout on that clipnut that goes on the body tab, is supposed to prevent it from rotating. Easily solved, remove the clipnut, hold the hex with another wrench, a bit of Dremel on the nut interior, and it went on, with no worries about it vibrating off. Another case of our suppliers losing the recipe over the years, I guess. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 22:21:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAEB32D06FA for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 22:21:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CF62D06BB for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 19:34:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TerriPC ([unknown] [71.109.100.177]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M47009PV32UIVH0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 17 May 2012 20:35:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:35:09 -0700 Message-id: <000601cd3496$76d71bc0$64855340$@net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-index: Ac00lnYwKkmlIV0xQNmEd0jnURuLrg== Content-language: en-us X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Shelby story X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For those of you that doubt that Shelby had much interest in Tigers. In 1993, CAT was sharing a track day at Willow Springs with the Cobra club. Shelby was there raising money for his heart fund, ten bucks at a time, signing pictures and signs and whatever you brought him. I waited until things died down, then drove my Tiger to where Shelby was. I was expecting a quick flick of the wrist and on to the next autograph, but Shelby and I talked Tiger for what seemed like 5 minutes, although I'm sure it was closer to a couple of minutes. The whole time we're surrounded by Cobra club guys, Shelby is making comments like, "This is really a nice Tiger", "I'd rather drive a Tiger any day", "Tigers drive better than Cobras". I never once thought it was a put on.we were surrounded by Cobra owners! Carroll Shelby dug Tigers!! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 00:05:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C85C2D06AB for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 00:05:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F442D066D for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 20:28:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4I2TRUR012513; Thu, 17 May 2012 22:29:27 -0400 Received: from core-mld001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mld001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.122.79]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 71E25E000086; Thu, 17 May 2012 22:29:27 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Message-ID: <1ed7b.2b8b12a0.3ce70e07@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:29:27 -0400 (EDT) To: laurin212@yahoo.com, rootes1@earthlink.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5004 X-Originating-IP: [75.36.166.94] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1337308167; bh=fzjZfk0Y4zgliOTWU7SPh2+VSxVpXgYLC5h33v1pTBk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s5EkUQy0RKj5xt2STfd1WIt0CP9aQ4kSNdbwxk3e0e5dhskaT/ro03BESkQttOn6M eTm2zr1pevr+dS0d1cG3tXAuH1prQ6Ccd2q5c+cvrOQ1NiA/smSPTW9uW3KXb95zHe rZek4XY1EF7P6j6ru02vB2R5uvg0wYGBaBvguX84= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:394424800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d4fb5b40721ce X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net yeah, but... Paying a million for a bitsa Ferrari with some originality, when an unmolested original is 5-10X that number is one thing...paying $63k for a bitsa Tiger, when the best in the world is not much more, is another... ;-) In a message dated 5/17/2012 7:26:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, laurin212@yahoo.com writes: folks pay millions for a ferrari that started as not more than a rolling frame, with every single inch of sheet metal newly fabricated... On May 16, 2012, at 10:06 PM, Norman C. Miller wrote: > Would you pay $63,000 for a Tiger with this chassis plate? > > https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#cid=B63EA59C60AC1D44&id=B63E A 59C60AC1D44%21384 > > > Norm > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/laurin212@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 00:08:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739A32D06F7 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 00:08:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18072D0688 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 20:56:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BEHL1j00617UAYkA3Ewvev; Fri, 18 May 2012 02:56:55 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.118]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BEwu1j0132YtL1G8ZEwucY; Fri, 18 May 2012 02:56:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 02:56:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: michael king Message-ID: <1683272365.576994.1337309814720.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [24.7.122.212] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (zclient/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] bumper mounting X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Michael, YES, you are right.. I forgot (senior moment). My car has been broken there and fixed more than once.. SO Don't anyone try this at home!! I am still pretty sure I was able to bend them in a vice along with big wrenches and no torch. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: michael king To: Gary Winblad Cc: stubrennan@comcast.net, Rollright@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 18 May 2012 00:25:35 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] bumper mounting Gary, i wouldnt pull to hard forward on them when mounted to the car.. the vertical face on the front leg that thy bolt into is VERY THIN.. the face just snaps out with the captive nut.. this happened on my SII Alpine.. welded in a 3mm C shaped peice over the front face.. much stronger now and nice and level. I also think they can be bent back without need of a torch, just a big wrench and/or vice or you can even do it on the car. My front bumper has kind of a "twist" that I haven't figured out how to fix (its not worth messing up the chrome IMHO). Gary -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 07:19:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7F92D063E for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 07:19:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A11C2D064B for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 04:40:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 10:41:17 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.229] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 10:41:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1038.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 10:41:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 894468.69288.bm@omp1038.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 14636 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2012 10:41:17 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337337677; bh=bGlmkHFOgJRTih6SlZc7YsmzwZwggnJDIcbhGZeXpEk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kZOW/hgpZ4Vsm4ra1Q6DYt5upNvgtMwO+OT5tKDBev/qwslDBmRL2foKdkHRQztQ6SUm/HMabjUuv4U1szGlFbA7LVG42GxsieQaTb+6v34iraKKy1gWDrfGIMEehM3U52x3KvXN4H3czWzwnnmE/hy3aL/Z5SWxlTFbn8zklgg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=toI0zBAGGvlnN3OM+w1El/0JJeUMc6hBt6og7y2dYNDo2+yD7jwMj6BO68YfYtJOeF3dHZFyeQyC4Z3RqsSsqBTAEVYmXZYpFwL3mVQTLS9cvsQIDUrNKgAMrprAgrzr1ESHuNmVK6vqULqIop2A2sY+bM5IJtv533WiLPvtSGQ=; X-YMail-OSG: YBoB.uUVM1nuNVDDAOwo8nHwZ1mK1L4Zkoh2qC_Xd6EBDKH v6WC9REYPCbagdNWazzRMRLQUCzagxrVZ7iOx7i4tlXnib21gIBtWd5WRIxj fQFG0kYgRQp2_Xu9KJQ3W2Ensy1e_DxoVzgxsaG8Vk_6OpVJUmOLXW53BtO9 lqIM4sTutTCIA59_Woo2Y1z4LTooDMLbJG12sNVgb5a1u_WQpAhWOe5tRUWF aebqajtseDbqIpw6dw4QCIEIEil0LJy6wtdQha5nl9mfrojVL6.Mx4hb2T0i 1qa5_e5lppw0lvmyRBhAzkt32PwZyjpSc.R.w1tuu73ZVAU8_Gay5_INX0fa GcIFrOH4OUb3OiK.wPa2uxRc.CPCNnECPuaiyc50XbTYrcqPxYSdjWaRmre2 CBKEWX8SJ6I.HcSobTsL84BOelsheqseREHK.KzpWRjtUXYIZ90Q6deBYLtN 57dvqMesM80YBuFgvjxKEMQTPVa0AglUSOYgG4ga0EOHIkPn1_wM6CLKTHBI etud2G1QJJQFkI3lJ.60sRZBEMLaQVmblV_MhQDv1lXxuy2H4hrC9X96IxJX IhI3xPauq_0YvHudVgivjIN.UaIyM3GFx5jajiw3cOK0cXAqK_rVuNWSsLoy evmAaRrsnjmF4mu4wDM2KlQzdqwGiHeTy2nWDZCY0JHZX Received: from [63.142.113.39] by web160302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 May 2012 03:41:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337337677.10200.YahooMailClassic@web160302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 03:41:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, Kirk Smith In-Reply-To: <000601cd3496$76d71bc0$64855340$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby story X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: achd73@yahoo.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I hope Tim Suddard is saving these bits for a story on CS and the ST. It would be a great story with members stories added in plus some history thrown in as wel etc etc- Tim knows how to produce the article- I hope you will do so TS. TtT --- On Thu, 5/17/12, Kirk Smith wrote: From: Kirk Smith Subject: [Tigers] Shelby story To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 8:35 PM For those of you that doubt that Shelby had much interest in Tigers. In 1993, CAT was sharing a track day at Willow Springs with the Cobra club. Shelby was there raising money for his heart fund, ten bucks at a time, signing pictures and signs and whatever you brought him. I waited until things died down, then drove my Tiger to where Shelby was. I was expecting a quick flick of the wrist and on to the next autograph, but Shelby and I talked Tiger for what seemed like 5 minutes, although I'm sure it was closer to a couple of minutes. The whole time we're surrounded by Cobra club guys, Shelby is making comments like, "This is really a nice Tiger", "I'd rather drive a Tiger any day", "Tigers drive better than Cobras". I never once thought it was a put on.we were surrounded by Cobra owners! Carroll Shelby dug Tigers!! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 07:19:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06EAD2D0679 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 07:19:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 199D52D0503 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 05:04:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 11:04:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.210] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 11:04:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 11:04:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 838089.57719.bm@omp1019.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 95646 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2012 11:04:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337339092; bh=8fV/Kn1GKnHS3Xr0/znLKwa2Lp63ezz5nEFlZ7HA03k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QfqWUtaX3vCc5WLrZzQ219Sam9vCtHpux/EEFQCozzRDA68iC0DsDKvViPQhwRCR6F0rRumRhspY0l6G4xIw9k25RH0ALXjuW020AVB8Rdzoq8XvYGs5n5EzI099lmitgirEfrubK3w6kqIcHS/75fBOKaTRJleGId9p+usvG4s= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pVbxYFTgiyucgmoaQvKCB315lHQr1M9C5x+LAvLA/M+9g+r26xCLOeKxBBFe/xMSgSqsFtFWen/xsiZIi+X2uEzJ11Gc62HrC23Hy/7lsqZASh0JTaaDH5Asekxn3HmtkkDF8RPj5Qw5CczIYZOMV0xn1pxFUjOWoaSd0Dvbgbk=; X-YMail-OSG: uUScBUMVM1kTlK1yQJSmKlfeBoQou.fMJCRgJ6zQkC0J5fW TFZbuQy9C6BL_vv4cJ0q9eqN3irZzPooUhfxb65JN8lmgsbkzFC5Viq_dhjy sr93F.qdSQxfooKl.TaQeXPD5UJfghsK1LuGFWQN7ARgDGI8mDOMpVWbCuXj pKwFcnEA7OnYDjSKTPTBHVneUTvgv5f_NVJDMb7BAcBkSgahusP3fDfx1DIN Ho23yWvAfe61KsmFNpVgpyNquMc9x8a1Sh5.mkxh8PzWNgyVcaTWtT98rSTz woCQo4NbwEoQM8RTii8goHzwD34Wvw8sIchgAxel.E0S_jt3LuW8Qbjkgmb3 DBeBKroZAU8sGMlo810bkO46fYA_bsCjLQxJ2K0n27jmYBo_D66xY1D7TR1c Ke9xG.PULKaNEl0jHBHW8LR26eoFwRJ63FeBpd3sjtRicDwoHE7.cD0VSRy_ XXuvmjj_iAwbIGM6thI5qYNukQf7duiju2jx34NFREG8QFyGr3jMfWzlo95x W1snzBAs9pr3BN2NERnmpDSPI4gM6EjmAunxxzsU.09fyPY1Ni96.waAgRLZ fZt.kTYFlZBs83AxgWrwRvz_iMwssmLhBDGMfK_P5gEKyKA5k38_rseMUX28 4BTRDFT8YCqYbR.yQoLIaDvaubvNnpnjRJJSaOV6GYhXqLlq.FPpVEO_cnK_ N2oEp.OJSV4GHoDAZs_oSstRjWUD9SY7aezbJSRDXIPPI3HynMZoRV8oO9Ye ErCY4mVNg142J7S379w-- Received: from [63.142.113.39] by web160301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 May 2012 04:04:52 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337339092.82717.YahooMailClassic@web160301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 04:04:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Norman C. Miller" , Dave Munroe In-Reply-To: <9469594148F9402F9DC64C0DAB039603@DavePC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: achd73@yahoo.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Norm- whats your response (answer) as I and others are interested as well? Tell us all as I have kind of an idea BUT you are our uneleected- sorta self appointed Mr. Sunbeam Tiger person amonget anyone to ask a question of. Thanks and with respect. Tony Lang (TtT) --- On Thu, 5/17/12, Dave Munroe wrote: From: Dave Munroe Subject: Re: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Norman C. Miller" Date: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 1:37 PM Hi Norm: This is an important point - why WOULD any knowledgeable person pay this much money for this VIN plate with a Tiger (?) attached? The key word here is "knowledgeable". I was not "Tiger knowledgeable" when I bought my car in 2002, and didn't know the importance of a correct, in position with the right rivets, VIN plate, to its provenance. My bad, even stupid, I accept. However, over time, and with the help of the intelligence available from the members of this list, and with the help of an expensive eBay copy of the "Book of Norman", I became much more aware of this detail. I also became convinced of the authenticity of my particular Tiger. This was confirmed when I had my car TAC'd at the TE/AE Annual gathering in Rockland, Maine in 2010. A gang of five inspectors swarmed over, under, inside and around my car for the better part of an hour, and became convinced of my car's origin as a Tiger from the Jenson plant. It passed, without a VIN plate. I also had the interesting opportunity at that time to meet the person who "restored" my Tiger back in 1986-88 for the previous owner, and asked him about the missing VIN plate. I got a shrug and a question mark hanging over his head. I wonder where it went?? So here I am with a TAC'd Tiger and no VIN plate. What are my options? 1/ Make a replacement as authentic as possible and hope no one notices. (Bad idea because it has as its basis an attempt to deceive the observer. Discovery leads to suspicion that the car is a fake.) 2/ Leave it off and explain the circumstances to a prospective buyer. (Good option but guaranteed to reduce the value of your car to a knowledgeable potential buyer.) 3/ Make a nice but obvious replacement that will also trigger some doubt as to the authenticity of the car to a potential buyer, but leaves you with the opportunity to explain its presence.) The obvious lesson here is that if you have a Tiger without an authentic VIN plate, your car is worth less than if it had one, regardless of its condition. Know this if you are buying and negotiate the price accordingly. Know this also if you are selling and react according to your conscience. If you believe "caveat emptor", and can sleep at night after deceiving an unsuspecting buyer with a fake VIN plate, good luck to you. If not, bite the bullet and do the right thing. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman C. Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:06 PM Subject: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED > Would you pay $63,000 for a Tiger with this chassis plate? > > https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#cid=B63EA59C60AC1D44&id=B63EA 59C60AC1D44%21384 > > > Norm > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 13:19:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFE82D0630 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:19:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CECF62D0623 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 09:47:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 15:48:32 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.74] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 15:48:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 15:48:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 413246.8081.bm@omp1011.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 49563 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2012 15:48:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1337356111; bh=v5rWpCu++A/tvsbTDlXUV+r3k0dzpnf2318RG7c6U3M=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DvEezIVunQvofLNzhjWoMP3At7+LDyj30qhtm5WJNXEnzoS9mwcFIat2sthEbSYV4tQDyPPjUsi02rTfM5pv10KrfB8WoGCLKY+N3GmkebgmEf4qDJFoelyfJv/QK2E1y3/qO/uY/vg+VytPaCFULaZtK/C+Ajhk+7VB5EDw/WQ= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6ATXepCItaYSJ4//64E5QM48ziW2/Bz2BcLCne6qM+mV7aaXPzbzDW12k60sp8TANMighJS2FwfZ9njG/Y301PbteU0uoBl/h2KWRpJKpY7S/4UFfmWXV0LYyhDS59VAQ+zffX9jf7kmLl6o1rB1ieE0tsRC3Rn3ftToVEqTttE=; X-YMail-OSG: hv36Oh4VM1mbsoQYFi5SaPVNecaplP3Le1W2xL7kpTGE8hv Acw.PCyZZwwM6a.ZX7OLuZSVotPcmK3ykszi.SqJj5GUlNOuo6kvdsTLYABs LPFBDGnB5SqvPn8z5GxmuMqPNME3Dhb4TeeOhzjdhPhIEV8rEeakAl5BT.2T FSc5bYOy1gQ.K4LgMjZiN1WWFnIgr.aKLloq_vbkpGsE1tGQjVK4VPiarZRm iY0.hVXuwYmQgCqGq6ZmR8rB6HVHVz7.yNwTtupb_OMmZqEYrdu6XDZNIMn7 EhlMhOnpaGFcCvp_R3rrlEJScmhzvsJp1VtQLEFi8DjfUN772ENxNLXW_Ls. 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Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kirk Smith Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:35 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Shelby story For those of you that doubt that Shelby had much interest in Tigers. In 1993, CAT was sharing a track day at Willow Springs with the Cobra club. Shelby was there raising money for his heart fund, ten bucks at a time, signing pictures and signs and whatever you brought him. I waited until things died down, then drove my Tiger to where Shelby was. I was expecting a quick flick of the wrist and on to the next autograph, but Shelby and I talked Tiger for what seemed like 5 minutes, although I'm sure it was closer to a couple of minutes. The whole time we're surrounded by Cobra club guys, Shelby is making comments like, "This is really a nice Tiger", "I'd rather drive a Tiger any day", "Tigers drive better than Cobras". I never once thought it was a put on.we were surrounded by Cobra owners! Carroll Shelby dug Tigers!! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 13:20:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27132D06F9 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:20:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s22.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s22.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1532D060E for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 10:19:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT138-W15 ([65.55.90.137]) by snt0-omc3-s22.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 18 May 2012 09:20:39 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [173.210.226.176] From: John Crawley To: LIST TIGER Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:20:39 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2012 16:20:39.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A1CB3E0:01CD3512] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Bumper Mounting X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi All:When I installed my TIGER's bumpers I ground a nut so that it formed a slight taper and put that on the threaded bumper bracket first. Next is the bumper inner bracket then a similarly tapered spacer and then the locking nut. Adjusting the bumper angle is now accomplished by turning the tapered nut until the bumper end is parallel to the ground and then hand tightening the locking nut while making sure the tapered washer is correctly aligned. Do each end before you tighten with a wrench. Jc > Send _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 13:22:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938DA2D065D for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:22:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s52.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s52.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.51.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13172D03A8 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 10:41:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT138-W35 ([65.55.90.135]) by snt0-omc3-s52.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 18 May 2012 09:42:28 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [173.210.226.176] From: John Crawley To: LIST TIGER Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:42:27 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2012 16:42:28.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[36858DC0:01CD3515] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Totally Restored (VIN plate) X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dave: About 20 years ago I mentioned on the list that I had acquired some NOS Roots Rivets still in the Logo marked package and Labeled Sunbeam. You would not believe the offers to buy them that I had from guys that wanted their VIN plate to look original . . . one fellow went to $5,000. I must have explained 100 times that the rivets were for the windshield trim and not for the VIN but some guys just would not accept that and kept bugging me for months after. I still have the packages. I know the secret of how to counterfeit the original rivets but guess what holds the VIN plate on my TIGER . . . little screws because the rivets were drilled out by the DPO before I got my car. And NO I will not give the secret to anyone for $5,000 nor any amount of money. Jc > From: Dave Munroe > Subject: Re: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED > To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Norman C. Miller" > Date: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 1:37 PM > > > Hi Norm: > > This is an important point - why WOULD any knowledgeable person pay this much > money for this VIN plate with a Tiger (?) attached? The key word here is > "knowledgeable". > > I was not "Tiger knowledgeable" when I bought my car in 2002, and didn't know > the importance of a correct, in position with the right rivets, VIN plate, to > its provenance. My bad, even stupid, I accept. > > However, over time, and with the help of the intelligence available from the > members of this list, and with the help of an expensive eBay copy of the "Book > of Norman", I became much more aware of this detail. I also became convinced > of the authenticity of my particular Tiger. > > This was confirmed when I had my car TAC'd at the TE/AE Annual gathering in > Rockland, Maine in 2010. A gang of five inspectors swarmed over, under, inside > and around my car for the better part of an hour, and became convinced of my > car's origin as a Tiger from the Jenson plant. It passed, without a VIN > plate. > > I also had the interesting opportunity at that time to meet the person who > "restored" my Tiger back in 1986-88 for the previous owner, and asked him > about the missing VIN plate. I got a shrug and a question mark hanging over > his head. I wonder where it went?? > > So here I am with a TAC'd Tiger and no VIN plate. What are my options? > > 1/ Make a replacement as authentic as possible and hope no one notices. (Bad > idea because it has as its basis an attempt to deceive the observer. Discovery > leads to suspicion that the car is a fake.) > 2/ Leave it off and explain the circumstances to a prospective buyer. (Good > option but guaranteed to reduce the value of your car to a knowledgeable > potential buyer.) > 3/ Make a nice but obvious replacement that will also trigger some doubt as to > the authenticity of the car to a potential buyer, but leaves you with the > opportunity to explain its presence.) > > The obvious lesson here is that if you have a Tiger without an authentic VIN > plate, your car is worth less than if it had one, regardless of its condition. > Know this if you are buying and negotiate the price accordingly. Know this > also if you are selling and react according to your conscience. If you believe > "caveat emptor", and can sleep at night after deceiving an unsuspecting buyer > with a fake VIN plate, good luck to you. If not, bite the bullet and do the > right thing. > > Dave _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 13:24:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BB12D061D for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:24:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm34-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm34-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 048F72C08FC for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 11:10:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 17:10:42 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.12] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 17:10:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 17:10:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 154097.28290.bm@omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 22774 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2012 17:10:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337361042; bh=XgzP+z6cv3t5BM0CMm67LylJKvmoKpklXWp/RI8HBDI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gwIcxWLPifRE4CJiZ/m5uOT82am52n9n4De4qFWeqcfwrNy2rlTrKluOUOob/JPOyQWD/ZZtzKRTtc6rxMc49GoOYckq9DQpPe8A6VE7mF0+GAbmhcq6uG7A9zgDo2z30gS7Md8lagd6O1sXQ3IJJptks+LFdwp117++2r4Su3g= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZsBIgtC5e6wA/zECquAGxrBDe8cakgzJyHvA+fA+i685dtqLLOjtdx5Yr/A1weIzOotPewbkqU0CAaMHNWcYIhE2RQnKEmTr2clIHbpnjlWVXE6sATI2z1CZ85XG4BPc/MY/kTT215QxwA89U9JoZ8KH5HCp/cPox5VF4IZbobE=; X-YMail-OSG: 03JEH4UVM1kgcr4169Pj1j5ndO5UmzkzJ_nlpNfguUp9T3A Hxtzpoo01yVxJgC5v855BZFGD3Yz9F7TWXExXnuqemI0pO7GTugv2bZJz7QW n3i0kO4pShGquDG9.V82yzDA7sZ9HjAzJD3fvHY5N05.uo4iwSc3QJAzj9gF nKxEAUqm2dW2vkeT9n3KFARK5lRiJQTLkncWHW3AFtergqXMTK4Cy3Z1amI6 ILmdKdoN.1I4k_HMm0Eeg7Vntzi_qUtRkQpWuihSN8fGs1csYIbskVEZbSjA q7J0PtVM.eqZf.6eGrS4mQlBK7C6XGSrjBK642ZSoci05zzdzEB2ST6zCHoF 3gjC6kyqrNWgMz2R9r.BZU34yKwIacf.OTjGm0v.zVN.d.eVxnQ60rrJqxvf U3.EVmYmzvdxA0FoeKdWtl4TyWFlDx2e1FNlwwR3HHUbgJKHd.FMlWhi3TfP GGBxRTHEUH9bGyssdDnDNuOkQVo7NVOxh1cbMp22kFAZ21xscuO.Zjrd6t.u 76D7cQOERAGASCA-- Received: from [207.238.142.30] by web121602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 May 2012 10:10:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337361041.11657.YahooMailNeo@web121602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:10:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Curry To: "tigers@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was multipart/alternative Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Unite X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Terry Curry List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net All, Just a little reminder that Tigers United is coming up up fast so get your registration in andthat we have extended the block of rooms and the original price of $89. per night until May 31st. See the the flyer below and if you have any questions please contact Patrick King at patrick@lgsrc.com Sunbeam Tiger Owners Association Presents: Tigers United XXXIV An international gathering of the finest Sunbeam Tigers on the West Coast June 21st b 24th 2012 Tigers United XXIV will be held in beautiful Reno, Nevada. The Event hotel is the Sienna Spa Hotel Casino located on the Truckee River in downtown Reno. Reno has a chain of high-peaked mountains that literally surround the region in every direction. Theybve got high desert hills and low valleys covered with deciduous and evergreen trees. Reno has a river that casually flows through the heart of the city and nearby Virginia City gives a look into the areabs historic mining town past. In addition to our area's spectacular beauty, Reno offers an extraordinary mix of history and culture, world-class ski and golf resorts, 24-hour gaming and entertainment, a mild climate with four distinct seasons, and a healthy, diverse economy. There are also a myriad of outdoor activities such as river rafting, mountain biking, golf, and water skiing. Registered participants of Tigers United XXXIV will participate in the following scheduled events: a Rally, an Autocross, a Concourse, and an Awards Banquet. We will also have a private tour and welcome reception at the National Automobile Museum (Harrahbs Collection) Thursday evening. Attached are the Registration Form, Schedule, and Classification Guide. Hotel Registration can be made by contacting the Siena Spa hotel Casino at Siena Hotel Spa Casino One Lake Street Reno, Nevada 89501. (877) 743-6233 www.sienareno.com For more information and updates to the schedule, email Patrick King at patrick@lgsrc.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of TU34Flyer.pdf] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 17:36:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899112D04BB for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:36:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 645B02C0C08 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:43:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 19:44:27 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.224] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 19:44:27 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.121] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 19:44:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 19:44:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 918244.80204.bm@omp1026.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 81408 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2012 19:44:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1337370266; bh=uPh9ze5ZJOjGbrLlFCmtdbH7G0mPTGgM7s5qZDqap0s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ME93GzNiZfm28gsqWhhMjeKWSRDNH0oAGEwn7qDk/AslX0BenbvgBwKQjr8Neh5l5WjLk4fZ55ALU+WvBnm0eIhxluioJzOgK+iu/cNYnhRIwv7HA59+ctZKC45INGjX8IL7TwkmkNUHGc/sJW4yiU2eyigoyyVpbTO9AJKwkHQ= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JHA7kYQ665hmFgibx62MAnycNPOaIsEQiBwX5n9pHi5dVY6CNXnn351IIDZFxhH1Q2VvyYQZh72h8nvD8NJLfBOwrUbxfKiwuT5sI4uApJ6OzdXcxyRCZgy9nJhckYAPctHl2ZIarj6cDnycFgc+wEp43EtRVIGiy59Inh51ZKw=; X-YMail-OSG: n5l4bDwVM1lw00fjp1F.04jqbH.O6A5wjDieAGVeaBsTKRp em4N8aEayVMzMiFEuBpiYs_az.pAtTB05yc9dNcff7ZW__zAIFmyj0ksCQGi Et9.vmR4nRV5CEiJX3mRZLdKYyxvPMB76VdweGKvrbfqdH1l4nzPQDGsLMRT EbXr9X5w6iShcc.BQ2fcj7h3Trk8uwXnqCopY365E1OLavgzX_Tw_59Stdri qD5E3Js9IQRVY7ty4dC5K7V8WIV1Ed2pG6NwL1aqQCQHCAZ0mLphSyFaW__M Bkj0nz6bcvRj2IFbmaGp.MYfpSbO_Q9nXNOfZlXgbAjsv15uLZvRAvCR9A8D F.YDH9RvuedDfly1lQja2izt3YNJ73RimtS5bLIzCgAp_mpBquxOclAAw7Dr q5.Iigr9NLQGKYVHqahGM9g0u7X2uXJ1q_FBNiHO83yTe_tJEG6kDYgVh.ha meJAtLIaA0lzQOUZ8LHZyyb2yOegJMVdvnyQ6YzEb66rXex08O9cZb_mS8i3 qpbh9Psaw.Pe8JdrEzIfnsXBBAoU4suqYilMbpME- Received: from [76.250.191.139] by web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 May 2012 12:44:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337370266.77622.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:44:26 -0700 (PDT) From: arado7@sbcglobal.net To: Jerry Mo Christopherson In-Reply-To: <001201cd3510$f47d65a0$dd7830e0$@suddenlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby story X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: arado7@sbcglobal.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Carrol Shelby did not dig my Tiger. he did not know it existed. I dig it and that is all that matters. Gary B9472283. cat 311..Bought 1985. I Did not want a shelby. Still don't. I have my Crossfires.. --- On Fri, 5/18/12, Jerry Mo Christopherson wrote: From: Jerry Mo Christopherson Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby story To: "'Kirk Smith'" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Friday, May 18, 2012, 4:12 PM One of my few encounters with Mr. Shelby he told me "he always had a soft spot in his heart for Tigers". Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kirk Smith Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:35 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Shelby story For those of you that doubt that Shelby had much interest in Tigers. In 1993, CAT was sharing a track day at Willow Springs with the Cobra club. Shelby was there raising money for his heart fund, ten bucks at a time, signing pictures and signs and whatever you brought him. I waited until things died down, then drove my Tiger to where Shelby was. I was expecting a quick flick of the wrist and on to the next autograph, but Shelby and I talked Tiger for what seemed like 5 minutes, although I'm sure it was closer to a couple of minutes. The whole time we're surrounded by Cobra club guys, Shelby is making comments like, "This is really a nice Tiger", "I'd rather drive a Tiger any day", "Tigers drive better than Cobras". I never once thought it was a put on.we were surrounded by Cobra owners! Carroll Shelby dug Tigers!! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 17:36:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CEF82D04E4 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:36:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm27-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.188]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 567CB2D0424 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:49:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.99] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 19:50:13 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.65] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 19:50:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 19:50:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 427707.46235.bm@omp1002.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 2308 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2012 19:50:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=prodigy.net; s=s1024; t=1337370613; bh=rKezeOhRm6C3+STS+EZVmAx3DUEBW9TgFIH7IyTYios=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FtuZxMyqy4tqXC+Dge15KvXQNb614y8zjIEVauO+ryWfRqKkoOjAcq2BN6BY5sIgtlkfZrUO3e1hpuRW/Kbm6vvpU9wITCgnXLTfeCoa8dldfEUl3gh8xafxc5G2Utw0KCex4+2EovaCMTdtnSUpQl1gqij93ISl1gT8jVjpIVs= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=58f33phTs/yCEyDLX8IgaFP/O/oZVGtg4CtGxJ34ubWSePf96Aw+wuvl5Z4Xd6vpmJsbUszeVESYOEEMcZQNPOe2CqehmOGrnsUUwBlGi8P9b2lhTWCuTdm+dw0p+m5wszMLyGxPLIm23OHxi5tvqhP2FojABRnbICX6SDB5x7Y=; X-YMail-OSG: ZfXtnxQVM1lpE59XLeGMwCC6zSbOb7Bow11FUNwbOqp8hix 1EqRK_gqfQ9jpE50bbrQ6o1p1CtCulLnS5dd1Nw02rlt85pzBEFO6QC6QUT7 PAvWZ4wPMtvZxurXwiqDJW0SZP_myOqqz.VXP.Edp1ogvy42eVkrySAhvdnf PJFCajbX80k5mQeeqD8wBPREfbxOZ1fR6sEKmmSUM9Fim6N72_vcFyGDqQWH C1lkEX4GTYqCVNvbzSSyzxtb0XGLuPCFLDBlf1DEItTXgO9cUdLW7pYhQkoJ ucKZl.nsKA0_lilqJsclqJ5hzbm5910wFmqrruawd1ZnU.TbzJHLQZdAWBnJ 1.CbvXel0.NnW7PQj0NPOohdrwx3xfAqdzS8X4m5uJNQucwq61Ye0Rn4OgEM qCXSdtYO8f223nWGIbwTDx5WiCc83qehV78UfvbdzwLl.IrxWYvgcPZqz7Kw HmwLcrhlG2gtMsIgDKfh1Pj1o8eLiLNeN8WCdK5qxXgUjUsmsSkbL.b5Jacg j.CaSRYQ.UDtwkoAIIKlhYwbKp4PNsSwbPI88BzS3cM4XdemTJdUjw4OCsxO wZ1Ak0VDiwlq0jIMTSRmHPrvhk00Lr2uc2XD42B__Pyr5WELBnaBTX.xAFhf 6t2UwYHf9lX9chH2Sosm8bs8vQVDTEQOgoW2.gVWJ0MEEl01zivMAHe7yyut stWF1RysSiKjdQ8IfHcnQnMV689rB3bCqOorCdJl2nCkc5riM7pJL7fQBH5E QWjv8kdG7kfJ7BimhF_HmWcqfpPUt_ouK0MflScQ4Yjsh9rzIH3TYJwtssO. 17O4VmMo5bqNuV8WOQ8X7Kaw8tM8Aw9Gd Received: from [71.3.16.184] by web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 May 2012 12:50:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337370613.98203.YahooMailClassic@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:50:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul R Sheahan To: tigers@autox.team.net, Chris Richards In-Reply-To: <1337356111.33369.YahooMailClassic@web184515.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hemmings article in response to CS death X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have seen this car and it is a beauty. Paul Paul R Sheahan --- On Fri, 5/18/12, Chris Richards wrote: From: Chris Richards Subject: [Tigers] Hemmings article in response to CS death To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Friday, May 18, 2012, 11:48 AM http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2012/05/14/hemmings-find-of-the-day-1965-s unbeam-tiger/?refer=news _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sunbeamtiger@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 08:13:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822092D04A7 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 08:13:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E70F2D044E for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 08:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.71]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Bnwn1j0031YDfWL53q9XmQ; Sat, 19 May 2012 14:09:31 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([71.233.107.30]) by omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Bq9W1j01B0fNubr3gq9XfV; Sat, 19 May 2012 14:09:31 +0000 Message-ID: <09C8B2E27EB544909848EF59DEDE33EF@sbrennanPC> From: "Stu Brennan" To: "Tiger Net" Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 10:09:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Brake Bleeding X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ibll have my new flex lines all in today or tomorrow, and my rebuilt booster just got bolted back in. So soon it will be time to bleed the system. So my question is, what sequence of front left, front right, and rear has worked best for you? Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 09:33:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D712D04B4 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 09:33:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC892D043A for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 09:32:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q4JFVbBn000354; Sat, 19 May 2012 08:33:39 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id sj1-dm103.4f90dc95.68f918; Sat, 19 May 2012 08:33:27 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1Pt71HFkBRowIAAAAC,9ddee6f122f76376ae194083a1313634 X-Originating-Ip: 67.72.98.45 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.179.66]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sat, 19 May 2012 15:33:20 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Stu Brennan'" , "'Tiger Net'" Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 11:33:17 -0400 Message-ID: <93CFEECF45044DDAB48D068EBD4E3751@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <09C8B2E27EB544909848EF59DEDE33EF@sbrennanPC> Thread-Index: Ac01yasq+XLwQ1hfSU+zePfRFFIakwACiQIg X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-19_03:2012-05-18,2012-05-19,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205190134 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Bleeding X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Stu Follow the Shop Manual on this; 1st rear brakes, 2nd front left, 3rd front right. Generally with any brake bled job - you always bled the brake line furthest from the master 1st and proceed to the shortest to the master last. ABS vehicles are sometime different or have a different procedure but that is not the case here. Your ABS is the direct application of foot to pedal. :) Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stu Brennan Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:09 AM To: Tiger Net Subject: [Tigers] Brake Bleeding Ibll have my new flex lines all in today or tomorrow, and my rebuilt booster just got bolted back in. So soon it will be time to bleed the system. So my question is, what sequence of front left, front right, and rear has worked best for you? Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/5007 - Release Date: 05/18/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 10:54:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB762D04C9 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:54:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE122D0453 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:53:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Bsnr1j0040EZKEL53suhKW; Sat, 19 May 2012 16:54:41 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([71.233.107.30]) by omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Bsug1j00T0fNubr3MsuhWu; Sat, 19 May 2012 16:54:41 +0000 Message-ID: <690839BEE30444C49321CE2995B89C84@sbrennanPC> From: "Stu Brennan" To: , "'Tiger Net'" References: <93CFEECF45044DDAB48D068EBD4E3751@ronpc1> In-Reply-To: <93CFEECF45044DDAB48D068EBD4E3751@ronpc1> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 12:54:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Bleeding X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks guys. I was just wondering if there was any Tiger specific reason to do it differently. That's what I've done before, but I didn't want to waste any more of the expensive silicon juice than I had to. Stu -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 11:33 AM To: 'Stu Brennan' ; 'Tiger Net' Subject: RE: [Tigers] Brake Bleeding Stu Follow the Shop Manual on this; 1st rear brakes, 2nd front left, 3rd front right. Generally with any brake bled job - you always bled the brake line furthest from the master 1st and proceed to the shortest to the master last. ABS vehicles are sometime different or have a different procedure but that is not the case here. Your ABS is the direct application of foot to pedal. :) Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stu Brennan Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:09 AM To: Tiger Net Subject: [Tigers] Brake Bleeding Ibll have my new flex lines all in today or tomorrow, and my rebuilt booster just got bolted back in. So soon it will be time to bleed the system. So my question is, what sequence of front left, front right, and rear has worked best for you? Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/5007 - Release Date: 05/18/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 11:53:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2BD2D03F7 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 11:53:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881122D03A9 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 11:53:52 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=iBNKu5tK6yDSu+1GymSzbF9H/OIpZWdByRVQw8IxYnoLAL6cPgc2O6SdIjhC02JH; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.245.28.56] (helo=DIMENSION9200.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SVnrP-0007I0-FC for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 19 May 2012 13:54:35 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 10:54:32 -0700 To: tigers@autox.team.net From: J D Johnson In-Reply-To: <690839BEE30444C49321CE2995B89C84@sbrennanPC> References: <93CFEECF45044DDAB48D068EBD4E3751@ronpc1> <690839BEE30444C49321CE2995B89C84@sbrennanPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: bb4e0cac3e271258117493bb6119bed69ef193a6bfc3dd48aa6d74f7c18779b13256167957fe46de379a5ba0fa6c7c04350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.245.28.56 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Bleeding X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If you're following the procedure in the shop manual, you will not be starting furthest from the master. JD At 09:54 AM 5/19/2012, Stu Brennan wrote: >Thanks guys. I was just wondering if there was any Tiger specific >reason to do it differently. That's what I've done before, but I >didn't want to waste any more of the expensive silicon juice than I had to. > >Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 13:59:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C870A2D02FB for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 13:59:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm40-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm40-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 36AB02D0292 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 13:53:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 19:54:19 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.227] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 19:54:19 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.96] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 19:54:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 19:54:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 437840.18629.bm@omp1001.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 43181 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2012 19:54:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1337457258; bh=6TMpen09xmkcdMUziEpoCLZarkAYuKkWAAU84RNPW8U=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZojQiF2X4dXNPb5cPkBuxMG5P+1v2hWux6YZCX2oWsivqXxxs0VgNkhvphvmeg51cWv2A7Ca5rj5lbMunbhIHBRdywYK0GxY614+ylMcP9NsMCZEZ22xBn6wuNmjry4tsKqoPlJu67XWl9GWcRqYIWvATn0AS+WrblOz0azsdMw= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1AEzEiYZgAWDS5qkzxogtb+dfwzcnavLRN6uA7wvuJ37bkfBA+Zzx9zJqJ1b+ikbjIu9zk8C05Tp9YOklg45MmPgtibPUhguSM6UURmPc72JF2jAVjQAz+2kOtX+4+wpg5naG8a1vHAusNoJ4tDocv36yXcrab6vKnwlpdjheGo=; X-YMail-OSG: kVq3Y6AVM1n60WqVVYXM4llBzPbYbINH2jW9ojYmo6QcFOZ KDy0JnHzUEu3dBrfRlhiXn2WcwN0a.rKptUzxv66pZksGyB8IDqwnBC_if0T ddlRdLtrSPnW1ShLzL5X5XIYyXbXBeiFYVEJeeSjmppiDXctxBqI..hOrvcP cvp2TxZbyORSLmEnpHVdfe7ladBy1cfvu2Fj01kAsAmK9jZEVWeCaA1hbtE. T4u2NBDY0Rg5QSkWUnUFGQdXWKZMaO8ydsUIMj_mOYkJfhuHNwnA_qCl898D EVSDgLwi3x3SrXpbSBs3d.SKIUKBQ3cUcEBbae4eKmh0e.XTX0Tw_q_mTuiw tkOUGOFdMKL79ELj2kMPOyzQDTC2ucFIAOabYMWF4bpWQLfOFEdgK.QjYMqg Eph9Oh7g8yGl5R720e6mY0C8OQQhv6wg7PVbhQP.PkFzgLIskxw_CLj4iwLO bFGj8Hqf8d7pJwp6zqYjeXrKj3RteIcB8 Received: from [70.248.74.150] by web181017.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 May 2012 12:54:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337457258.43031.YahooMailClassic@web181017.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 12:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: david gilmore To: tigers@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net RE brake bleeding. I responded but my have sent it incorrectly. When I completely rebuilt my MKII system (White Post did booster and master) I could not get the system to bleed and pressurize to save my butt. After running several pints thru with no build up of pedal I finally bled the master and it all came together. Best done on bench before you hang it on firewall, but can be done there too if need be. After bleeding the master, I unhooked the line to the booster and bled it there, then moved on to the corners of the car and it all came together. Frustrating up to that point. Thank you, Dave Gilmore _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 13:59:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296D92D030B for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 13:59:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E3F2D0292 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 13:54:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5B72E027 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 14:03:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FB7FB0A.9040408@bradakis.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 13:56:58 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tiger's List Subject: [Tigers] Team.Net forums X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Spent some time working on the forums. Basic functionality is back. You can look at them, log in and post. Not yet sure if new registrations work, I'll test that soon. Link to forums is below in the message trailer. Well, I think if you get the digest format it is up at the top. One minor nit is that for some reason a new post doesn't show up when you click on 'View active topics' but it does show up when you click on 'View new posts' And user avatars don't get displayed when viewing posts. Oh well, I'm sure other problems will crop up as folks make use of it. mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 16:37:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FEBE2D03C5 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 16:37:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4600F2D0388 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 16:35:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Sat, 19 May 2012 18:36:05 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 18:36:05 -0400 X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.8a, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <4fb82055.60f4.0@thecia.net> X-User-Info: 96.237.177.118 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [Tigers] U.S. and Canadian Alpine 260's X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rande@thecia.net List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm trying to round up folks who have Alpine 260's and Alpine V8 Mk II's. Besides Cullen and Dave D.(Wash), who else is out there? Contact me off group if you like.. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 20 08:08:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FC62D034A for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 08:08:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6308C2D030B for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 08:08:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 27171 invoked from network); 20 May 2012 14:09:12 -0000 Received: from airnode431.air-internet.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (12.110.38.178) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 20 May 2012 14:09:12 -0000 Message-ID: <4FB8FB0F.50303@mayfco.com> Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 07:09:19 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: drmayf@mayfco.com References: <4F786A20.508@mayfco.com> In-Reply-To: <4F786A20.508@mayfco.com> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "land-speed@autox.team.net" , tweecer@yahoogroups.com, "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Land-speed] OFF Topic: Desk Top Computer Question Involving a Farkled Win XP Pro OS X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: drmayf@mayfco.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ya'll remember this? An update: I have actually repaired the computer ans i is fully functional again! It was not easy at all. In on eof he trouble shooting steps I went through, I had started the computer in the safe mode. for some reason it had given me three days to activate the installation of XP. The it ceased responding to anything. Cannot activate if in Safe Mode. Cannot activate it on line if you cannot get past the dead activation. After long searched, I found a sequence which let me reset the activation back to 30 days. Many steps involved to do that. But I was able to finally restart in safe mode with no issues and I did that in the command mode which will run the cd drive. I then put the Win XP Pro disk in and it started and ran. I had it try and do a recovery console repair but it needed a reinstall. So I did that but wihout over writing the old installation. I used a new windows file folder name for the install and it worked very well. I now have all of my old files, desk top, etc. working again. I did have to reinstall my Norton anti virus but that went ok as well. I am actually amazed, lol... I had o reinstall all the updates but that is also done now. Life is good! But, what a chore! Thanks to everyone who helped. I finally found the answer buried in MS on one of their self help forums. mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 4/1/2012 7:45 AM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Hit delete now unless you are interested in this issue, lol. > > I have a hard drive which is in trouble. Out of an older computer I > have. It uses (used, lol) WIn XP Pro as the OS. It had a serious Trojan > which denied access to the basic operation of the OS. Unfortunately > during the attempted repair, I used a version of XP that was not the > correct version or matching what was in the drive for windows. It is now > stuck in never never land. When I boot it up, it comes up in Safe mode, > except that i immediately says this needs to be activated and that it > can only be activated in the normal start up mode. No matter what is > done, it always restarts in Safe mode. Now, I can install another hard > drive as the primary drive and this drive as the slave and I can start > the computer and examine the hard drive. In fact, this is how I finally > got rid of the trojan that was living on it. I think that if I could > cripple the OS in the slave drive then I might be able to make it the > primary then and retry to repair the existing OS by using the repair > function on the XP set up disk. Does tis sound like a reasonable > approach or is ther some other manner to get the system back to a > stable position where I can reinstall XP? If I can cripple the OS what > files do I need to rename or? > > Any helkp out there? Please reply off list as nobody else needs to be > bothered with this. > > drmayf@mayfco.com > > many thanks hopefully for outstanding suggestions on how to do this! > > mayf _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 20 08:10:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9F82D0335 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 08:10:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from st11p01mm-asmtpout002.mac.com (st11p01mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.172.204.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C462D02E5 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 08:10:52 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [10.0.1.12] ([98.234.45.13]) by st11p01mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M4B00BYMRF9GZA0@st11p01mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 20 May 2012 14:11:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-19_08:2012-05-18,2012-05-19,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205200124 From: Carlo Bernardino Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 07:11:33 -0700 To: tigers@autox.team.net Message-id: <6F1F4C2B-DC0B-45E5-8F94-B7D682EADC16@me.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Carroll Shelby to get the TV miniseries treatment thanks to Velocity X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On tonight! http://www.autoblog.com/2012/05/18/carroll-shelby-to-get-the-tv-miniseries-treatment-thanks-to-velo/ Rob in Carmel, CA 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red TAC# 0519 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 20 15:28:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27972D02C5 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 15:28:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C97A2D02C5 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 15:20:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 32964 invoked from network); 20 May 2012 21:20:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=WVER+7qia8CEwdr6ZYeA9MAP8ZWp++qbhBEfJqBK2GrXzae29LeiK16falmWEbbKouhW7FH09minmnxUd5Z/DLXJzaybbBs3ho9qbp1Pn6GCsKv1OgLthkHQGub4P5ht7I3gT9yXbfv8w4vmcO2aDaGtGs39FLySqVJ4zPRbFCo= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337548852; bh=Rksv83Qf6xX5p1K5UC10gCUly08Spud7Qi9GzZl6x/U=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=mYQWGv7iZaRYGFbU6B7KAnlubMTDJGBJikLB4rMaiIZFfvt0wYIhketW2sB/kDjOktWOG0qK0VW0EwVp5NkVOfoFKgbElUNup2L5JbcnUgnZBKQDTyXp2g6IiuWCD4a8rgRWQw5+mZbkj4TiT7m5LAWxUGjM3TSLxfuHeYY35j4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: xfoiQWsVM1mh3kBA_bZrCCaoZy5fHqBFDouKm0hswtHYpuY mR9Mb.yF3vb0W3kXzBNX0PymlXwd5CRjLCV47UWnXWdV6FeoXc2spog7_Zx0 LVM0rA9.y_5xo2nLwOWJ_vu7R.jRoaPZyVXmRJRCUr6FSlJ5OSGJwdyuRimR rkrFde.bge1XbPRQ7C4AHZXHxG3aFxp07.jUHQ6K1s0Gw7glO5sdkkEVSFBi DzEkOmUHPOG.vKvDxqY6U5BTRwYYP7SAXciyRZAOXtia_TRAaPLe1QtREDIa rbAFVtMB_N.gbXFQVleGfARDf_oTL6EGypT4Y0CS2Jrk2eFzNrslWjW0M3UU YEGRaD2OIWxx6Obc_HIEyXTREcCn2CJ8cTGAwnNl0gsz.B628E7cc.pk2u4V vguR5M1liF0QJgQOmUTRd_t2kCQqpw4iM7wdnV3_p3uZY.NuKO8GSMhjlXNs WRSbKj0RiYnkSZZVFItc8ha_58BShNg3B50tjbtXquahnpXOMMfSmnJ7fIW_ IlcR0awO_OIexmxkRe6t7NKtkejLGGd.mYoPuFv.eUP19IdQmxi0vBp6x.Al SZxlysndlvIc- X-Yahoo-SMTP: mdh5Q2yswBDHkY3ES1HLq7sjh8.zow-- Received: from [10.0.1.11] (laurin212@69.86.55.247 with plain) by smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2012 14:20:52 -0700 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Peter Laurinaitis In-Reply-To: <1337339092.82717.YahooMailClassic@web160301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 17:20:51 -0400 Message-Id: <9994DF73-21BD-40AB-9E8E-03D055B7B6F1@yahoo.com> References: <1337339092.82717.YahooMailClassic@web160301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: achd73@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net if one "dips" their body to restore their tiger (some my say one of the two best ways to strip it right before a proper restoration), the vin plate must come off, so in that instance you wont have the "correct" rivets, so personally if i have to choose a half-assed restoration with original rivets, or a proper restoration with the vin plate re-riveted, id choose the later, but just a personal view (as long as i was otherwise confident it was a tiger). On May 18, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Tony Somebody wrote: > Norm- whats your response (answer) as I and others are interested as well? > Tell us all as I have kind of an idea BUT you are our uneleected- sorta self > appointed Mr. Sunbeam Tiger person amonget anyone to ask a question of. > Thanks and with respect. > Tony Lang (TtT) > > --- On Thu, 5/17/12, Dave Munroe wrote: > > > From: Dave Munroe > Subject: Re: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED > To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Norman C. Miller" > Date: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 1:37 PM > > > Hi Norm: > > This is an important point - why WOULD any knowledgeable person pay this much > money for this VIN plate with a Tiger (?) attached? The key word here is > "knowledgeable". > > I was not "Tiger knowledgeable" when I bought my car in 2002, and didn't know > the importance of a correct, in position with the right rivets, VIN plate, to > its provenance. My bad, even stupid, I accept. > > However, over time, and with the help of the intelligence available from the > members of this list, and with the help of an expensive eBay copy of the "Book > of Norman", I became much more aware of this detail. I also became convinced > of the authenticity of my particular Tiger. > > This was confirmed when I had my car TAC'd at the TE/AE Annual gathering in > Rockland, Maine in 2010. A gang of five inspectors swarmed over, under, inside > and around my car for the better part of an hour, and became convinced of my > car's origin as a Tiger from the Jenson plant. It passed, without a VIN > plate. > > I also had the interesting opportunity at that time to meet the person who > "restored" my Tiger back in 1986-88 for the previous owner, and asked him > about the missing VIN plate. I got a shrug and a question mark hanging over > his head. I wonder where it went?? > > So here I am with a TAC'd Tiger and no VIN plate. What are my options? > > 1/ Make a replacement as authentic as possible and hope no one notices. (Bad > idea because it has as its basis an attempt to deceive the observer. Discovery > leads to suspicion that the car is a fake.) > 2/ Leave it off and explain the circumstances to a prospective buyer. (Good > option but guaranteed to reduce the value of your car to a knowledgeable > potential buyer.) > 3/ Make a nice but obvious replacement that will also trigger some doubt as to > the authenticity of the car to a potential buyer, but leaves you with the > opportunity to explain its presence.) > > The obvious lesson here is that if you have a Tiger without an authentic VIN > plate, your car is worth less than if it had one, regardless of its condition. > Know this if you are buying and negotiate the price accordingly. Know this > also if you are selling and react according to your conscience. If you believe > "caveat emptor", and can sleep at night after deceiving an unsuspecting buyer > with a fake VIN plate, good luck to you. If not, bite the bullet and do the > right thing. > > Dave > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman C. Miller" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:06 PM > Subject: [Tigers] TOTALLY RESTORED > > >> Would you pay $63,000 for a Tiger with this chassis plate? >> >> > https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#cid=B63EA59C60AC1D44&id=B63EA > 59C60AC1D44%21384 >> >> >> Norm >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/laurin212@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 20 21:30:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E512D02C7 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 21:30:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09DB2D0266; Sun, 20 May 2012 21:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28862E05D; Sun, 20 May 2012 21:35:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FB9B68A.5090000@bradakis.com> Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 21:29:14 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "land-speed@autox.team.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" References: <4F786A20.508@mayfco.com> <4FB8FB0F.50303@mayfco.com> In-Reply-To: <4FB8FB0F.50303@mayfco.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Land-speed] OFF Topic: Desk Top Computer Question Involving a Farkled Win XP Pro OS X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Larry Mayfield wrote: > > ans i is fully functional again! It was not easy at all. In on eof he > Keyboard works great! mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 08:03:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB0B2D02FD for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:03:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og107.obsmtp.com (exprod5og107.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655322D02A2; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:03:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpmlip11.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.5.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob107.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKT7pLRuZmoNmwYA4NWv/JDWCe+f9RIP0T@postini.com; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:03:52 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO cinmlef07.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.213.38]) by alpmlip11.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 21 May 2012 10:03:49 -0400 Received: from alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.18.12]) by cinmlef07.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 21 May 2012 10:03:48 -0400 Received: from cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.50]) by alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 21 May 2012 10:03:48 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA02.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.56) by cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Mon, 21 May 2012 10:03:47 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.1.155]) by CINMBCNA02.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.2.71]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Mon, 21 May 2012 10:03:47 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: Mark J Bradakis , "land-speed@autox.team.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] [Land-speed] OFF Topic: Desk Top Computer Question Involving a Farkled Win XP Pro OS Thread-Index: AQHNNpI6I45n41Ks6U+ehgIObyzNcZbT2bMAgABt9wA= Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 14:03:46 +0000 Message-ID: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05101F495@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> References: <4F786A20.508@mayfco.com> <4FB8FB0F.50303@mayfco.com> <4FB9B68A.5090000@bradakis.com> In-Reply-To: <4FB9B68A.5090000@bradakis.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.192] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2012 14:03:48.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AF5C7C0:01CD375A] Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Land-speed] OFF Topic: Desk Top Computer Question Involving a Farkled Win XP Pro OS X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Might need to re-install the spell checker though..... :>) -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 11:29 PM To: land-speed@autox.team.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Land-speed] OFF Topic: Desk Top Computer Question Involving a Farkled Win XP Pro OS Larry Mayfield wrote: > > ans i is fully functional again! It was not easy at all. In on eof he > Keyboard works great! mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 08:44:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2A82D02FB for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:44:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DB0B2D02CA for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:42:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 8718 invoked from network); 21 May 2012 14:43:20 -0000 Received: from airnode431.air-internet.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (12.110.38.178) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 21 May 2012 14:43:20 -0000 Message-ID: <4FBA5491.9050103@mayfco.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:43:29 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" References: <4F786A20.508@mayfco.com> <4FB8FB0F.50303@mayfco.com> <4FB9B68A.5090000@bradakis.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05101F495@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> In-Reply-To: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05101F495@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "land-speed@autox.team.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Land-speed] OFF Topic: Desk Top Computer Question Involving a Farkled Win XP Pro OS X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: drmayf@mayfco.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net And yet another one piles on.... with my tongue firmly in my cheek, I ask, "What's a spell checker?" Let's consider, well, is there one that can check =whether or not the person is having a "spell"?. Much like being sick ( a period of being unwell?)? A financial bad spell ( a period of time)? Or a bad spell of weather (like a drought)? Spells can obviously be a period of bad things happening. Or in this case, notice that just about everything quoted below was indeed spelled correctly. ANS is abbreviation for answer, i is just lower case I, on is correctly spelled, eof is end of file abbreviation and he is correctly spelled. So, do I need a "Spell checker to see if I am functioning, a spell checker to see if the weather is bad or that I am running out of money or conversely having a good spell in financial matters, or if the words I used were spelled correctly. Perhaps what I really need is a context checker AND a spell checker combined... I am sure that one exists somewhere and that I need it and you all will send me a link to where it maybe found. What I REALLY need is a new computer, lol. The one I am using right now is a unit I put together from parts I acquired. It is a P3 Pentium, and not much memory. I put it together to be my data acquisition computer for shop use. It has some legacy card slots for some old instrument boards I have. The computer that went toes up, twice since 2010, is a Dell I purchased new in 2000. It had a whopping 256MB RDRAM, Win ME, and I have been upgrading hardware and software all along. It had a Pentium 4 at 1.3 GHz speed. I added memory to bring it to 512 MB RDRAM. When the first farkle hit, I purchased a used eBay MOBO that had a 2.0 GHz CPU and 2 GB of memory on it. And some where along the way, I went from Win ME to WIn XP Pro SP3 and larger hard drives. What I want is a HP Z1 work station, lol... Sadly, I wont be getting that either. What's interesting is that I could purchase the Z1 today for the same price as I paid for the Dell. I am pretty happy that I am of sound mind (mostly) and can do the required stuff to keep it all running. My other platforms are: Panasonic Toughbook, Acer Netbook, Toshiba Satellite (3.2 Ghz hyper threading laptop with no memory, lol), and a Gateway P4 system that I inherited from a deceased family member. Add to that is my internal network as everything is connected via routers, ethernet or wireless, including several printers. I have plans to build a shop network that is connected to my Cisco gateway coupled to my Cisco dual band N router. I have the parts if I can just quit fooling around with race cars. so, please cut me some slack. I am not doing too bad for an old fart, lol... this is fun mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 5/21/2012 7:03 AM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) wrote: > Might need to re-install the spell checker though..... > :>) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark J Bradakis > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 11:29 PM > To: land-speed@autox.team.net; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Land-speed] OFF Topic: Desk Top Computer Question > Involving a Farkled Win XP Pro OS > > Larry Mayfield wrote: >> ans i is fully functional again! It was not easy at all. In on eof he >> > Keyboard works great! > > mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 09:21:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B92D2D03E2 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 09:21:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959BD2D028B; Mon, 21 May 2012 09:21:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so6419309ggm.14 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:22:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bAeI+qUihWPv5oFPLiy/350dYScyjY/ICZpSxUdI6/E=; b=Bxuuze5Hd9pUZubito3wiwt4hNjGcypK1grcJm3wxWX5V3XHFopjx8W/mT3/HIcTh0 QNtcj3Z2OFD902Nmf5m13765pXD0QoOPqMEDy5NBpgSJVGUaKacLSp0C6yykbz3rCSCc qYaOr1lMu0gLMxOAWwlwAKuTWra3B5l+vzEOOp7LlO0UcRdiwETgb3wZNvCX8eE+n5C7 0JVf4dQgTo3CUBUli9LRac6aCVWzn9Ddsg8dopd1bekQScG50sYvAjWGKnx7LCsa58S6 khKDmNry/BMpuJnjyurETgHaullEnbs0LhOe9kM5xzoiNZ69/PJTT3YFh9M5JuSt3OUa odUA== Received: by 10.50.47.196 with SMTP id f4mr6980726ign.21.1337613721209; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:22:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.171.134 with HTTP; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:21:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FBA5B88.9040407@bradakis.com> References: <4F786A20.508@mayfco.com> <4FB8FB0F.50303@mayfco.com> <4FB9B68A.5090000@bradakis.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05101F495@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <4FBA5491.9050103@mayfco.com> <4FBA5B88.9040407@bradakis.com> From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 11:21:40 -0400 Message-ID: To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: "land-speed@autox.team.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Land-speed] OFF Topic: Desk Top Computer Question Involving a Farkled Win XP Pro OS X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: michael@michaelshortt.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Shared by Michael Shortt ODE TO A SPELL CHECKER by Jerrold H Zar I have a spelling checker. It came with my PC. It plane lee marks four my revue Miss steaks aye can knot sea. Eye ran this poem threw it, Your sure reel glad two no. Its vary polished in it's weigh. My checker tolled me sew. A checker is a bless sing. It freeze yew lodes of thyme. It helps me right awl stiles two reed, And aides me when aye rime. Each frays come posed up on my screen Eye trussed too be a joule. The checker pours o'er every word To cheque sum spelling rule. Bee fore a veiling checker's Hour spelling mite decline, And if we're lacks oar have a laps, We wood bee maid to wine. Butt now bee cause my spelling Is checked with such grate flare, Their are know fault's with in my cite, Of nun eye am a wear. Now spelling does knot phase me, it does knot bring a tier. My pay purrs awl due glad den With wrapped word's fare as hear. To rite with care is quite a feet Of witch won should bee proud, And wee mussed dew the best wee can, Sew flaw's are knot aloud. Sow ewe can sea why aye dew prays Such soft wear four pea seas, And why eye brake in two averse Buy righting want too pleas. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Larry Mayfield wrote: >> >> And yet another one piles on.... with my tongue firmly in my cheek, I ask, >> "What's a spell checker?" > > > Seems to me you'd only need a spell checker if you've upset the neighborhood > witches. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. 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Thank you _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 09:31:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10EC2D038D for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 09:31:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 527AB2D03DD for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 09:25:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 17172 invoked from network); 21 May 2012 15:26:28 -0000 Received: from airnode431.air-internet.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (12.110.38.178) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 21 May 2012 15:26:28 -0000 Message-ID: <4FBA5EAE.9070604@mayfco.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:26:38 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark J Bradakis References: <4F786A20.508@mayfco.com> <4FB8FB0F.50303@mayfco.com> <4FB9B68A.5090000@bradakis.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05101F495@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <4FBA5491.9050103@mayfco.com> <4FBA5B88.9040407@bradakis.com> In-Reply-To: <4FBA5B88.9040407@bradakis.com> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "land-speed@autox.team.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Land-speed] OFF Topic: Desk Top Computer Question Involving a Farkled Win XP Pro OS X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: drmayf@mayfco.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, I missed that one. could have added witch doctor spells, warlock spells, witch spells, VooDoo spells, and so on. I guess the "spell checker" in that case would not only have to know the correct literary spelling, but, also the content of the spell itself as to efficacy. mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 5/21/2012 8:13 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Larry Mayfield wrote: >> And yet another one piles on.... with my tongue firmly in my cheek, I >> ask, "What's a spell checker?" > > Seems to me you'd only need a spell checker if you've upset the > neighborhood > witches. > > mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 13:11:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E77D2D05E5 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:11:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCAC2D048C for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:11:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd3ml1so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.140]) by pd2mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 22 May 2012 13:12:04 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.1 cv=MPNiKFfsidoaPqBs0kThsodqbsbgvPHp5CGEg9DOvhI= c=1 sm=1 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=2Qn4eZwpF5IonY001YnuqQ==:17 a=4qFH-wthckZXbny4k8AA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=Ae6PSnyJzInCPz01VNYA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO TimWebsterPC) ([96.54.194.155]) by pd3ml1so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 22 May 2012 13:12:04 -0600 From: "tim " To: Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:12:06 -0700 Message-ID: <007e01cd384e$c7c9d430$575d7c90$@ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-index: Ac04Tsdj+uY4ONYeQ3eZd1nIORGmCg== Content-language: en-ca X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Balance pipe nipple thread X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, The parts book calls for a 1/2" UNF tube with a compression sleeve where the fuel line meets the balance pipe. I went through this with my Alpine and as I recall, the 1/2" UNF tube nut worked fine. The balance pipe I have for the Tiger seems to have a different thread. My local supplier was stumped and said it almost looks like a Whitworth thread. Does anybody have insight into this? I bought the pipe on EBay as the original was trashed so it possibly came from a different model? I guess I could cut the nipple off and weld on a new one or find a different pipe altogether but I am still puzzled by this. Thanks, Tim _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 13:18:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755852D05E1 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:18:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833FE2D0525 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:18:29 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=ix.netcom.com; b=frYbud4ireFpaCpiUvDx7zbi09VxPQx9sr+EESCFh/yQTmPZeA04oz3UKAeL5DwZ; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.127.132.78] (helo=Allans-MacBook-Pro.local) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SWubo-0005Fn-IC for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 22 May 2012 15:19:04 -0400 Message-ID: <4FBBE6A7.6040901@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:19:03 -0400 From: Allan Ballard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <007e01cd384e$c7c9d430$575d7c90$@ca> In-Reply-To: <007e01cd384e$c7c9d430$575d7c90$@ca> X-ELNK-Trace: 2f4fdeefbaace5eb74cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e5196068824ea1a5e9f08642ad75b2d3b1928758b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.127.132.78 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Balance pipe nipple thread X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: aballard@ix.netcom.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I can add that the Series IV Alpines used a different fitting than used on the Series V Alpines, although the balance pipe appears identical. Allan Ballard Mk1a Tiger Perhaps On 5/22/12 3:12 PM, tim wrote: > Listers, > > > > The parts book calls for a 1/2" UNF tube with a compression sleeve where the > fuel line meets the balance pipe. I went through this with my Alpine and as > I recall, the 1/2" UNF tube nut worked fine. > > > > The balance pipe I have for the Tiger seems to have a different thread. My > local supplier was stumped and said it almost looks like a Whitworth thread. > > > > Does anybody have insight into this? I bought the pipe on EBay as the > original was trashed so it possibly came from a different model? I guess I > could cut the nipple off and weld on a new one or find a different pipe > altogether but I am still puzzled by this. > > > > Thanks, > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aballard@ix.netcom.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 13:19:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2412D05CF for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:19:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22C12D0525 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:19:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qabg27 with SMTP id g27so3252856qab.14 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:20:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=xJhqFph3MhtC+Th9xkCpPNnOLhzhZUCHWiHa6ZmRM3A=; b=NuV9RjvEdYJvHdZMPlfW/FqHzp8sbhjPI+rTjCOrbsJGDC7nCdjVeT929T1Amsfx5L kWjJ1eH4BGJoGcl4bajDCw+JuXnqxN/NaSmMO5PoymdJQ7CsXaWMBAZMI4ZYgYYKpUQ6 EvzZCwfqjd4ZoJv5R+YEiLH+FWsE4vVCeixYLdaYIkGoBqDiVpfyf5a0pF8UIN4N9jU3 2yKp4cUkrzYEb5X2M3zrlICEkXMPodG9MW9lL03FtMboIFaowlbls2wOlAadthwFOMoG 3Yk7WMqwCOsberP3Ech4pp0EUbX9bwSfG00s3ujOw33MH33T6zvQOwA8eKhA2Lmb9vu6 6j3A== Received: by 10.224.73.1 with SMTP id o1mr1109644qaj.43.1337714402173; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.236.218.159] (242.sub-174-252-3.myvzw.com. [174.252.3.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gb7sm47085398qab.12.2012.05.22.12.20.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 May 2012 12:20:01 -0700 (PDT) References: <007e01cd384e$c7c9d430$575d7c90$@ca> In-Reply-To: <007e01cd384e$c7c9d430$575d7c90$@ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <03EE8B95-8EBE-41EA-A371-F61B414FB55D@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) From: Owain Lloyd Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:19:57 -0400 To: tim Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Balance pipe nipple thread X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It's british pipe thread (bsp). You can buy the correct union from bes.co.uk. Search the archive for the part number. On May 22, 2012, at 3:12 PM, "tim " wrote: > Listers, > > > > The parts book calls for a 1/2" UNF tube with a compression sleeve where the > fuel line meets the balance pipe. I went through this with my Alpine and as > I recall, the 1/2" UNF tube nut worked fine. > > > > The balance pipe I have for the Tiger seems to have a different thread. My > local supplier was stumped and said it almost looks like a Whitworth thread. > > > > Does anybody have insight into this? I bought the pipe on EBay as the > original was trashed so it possibly came from a different model? I guess I > could cut the nipple off and weld on a new one or find a different pipe > altogether but I am still puzzled by this. > > > > Thanks, > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 14:30:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B332D05E1 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:30:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233BF2D04F6 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:30:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q4MKUohF019891; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:31:32 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0224 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0224.4f90dc56.720ef6; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:31:21 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1Pu/eZMcxEAgIAAAAC,813cd37c206facd721fffc535634aae7 X-Originating-Ip: 67.72.98.45 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.177.115]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Tue, 22 May 2012 20:31:20 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'tim '" , Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 16:31:17 -0400 Message-ID: <5E4F40CEB87744E2B43B1D6B7F84FA43@ronpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Thread-Index: Ac04Tsdj+uY4ONYeQ3eZd1nIORGmCgABteMg In-Reply-To: <007e01cd384e$c7c9d430$575d7c90$@ca> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-22_05:2012-05-21,2012-05-22,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205220245 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Balance pipe nipple thread X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tim I believe the fuel line on my Tiger at the balance pipe is 5/16 tubing. I recall the tube nut was about 2x longer than the standard tube nut I could find so I reused the original; more threads, better contact. 5/16 tube nut thread is 1/2 - 24. If you have a thread gage you should be able to determine what thread you have. UNF = unified fine thread which is similar and compatible with fine thread in the USA Pipe thread generally has a taper but I believe there is also a British Parallel pipe thread. Additional info on threads and more http://www.britishfasteners.com/ Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tim Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:12 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Balance pipe nipple thread Listers, The parts book calls for a 1/2" UNF tube with a compression sleeve where the fuel line meets the balance pipe. I went through this with my Alpine and as I recall, the 1/2" UNF tube nut worked fine. The balance pipe I have for the Tiger seems to have a different thread. My local supplier was stumped and said it almost looks like a Whitworth thread. Does anybody have insight into this? I bought the pipe on EBay as the original was trashed so it possibly came from a different model? I guess I could cut the nipple off and weld on a new one or find a different pipe altogether but I am still puzzled by this. Thanks, Tim _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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Just let me know and I will take a ride to my shop and see if I can be of help. regards, Tony --- On Tue, 5/22/12, Ron Fraser wrote: From: Ron Fraser Subject: Re: [Tigers] Balance pipe nipple thread To: "'tim '" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 3:31 PM Tim I believe the fuel line on my Tiger at the balance pipe is 5/16 tubing. I recall the tube nut was about 2x longer than the standard tube nut I could find so I reused the original; more threads, better contact. 5/16 tube nut thread is 1/2 - 24. If you have a thread gage you should be able to determine what thread you have. UNF = unified fine thread which is similar and compatible with fine thread in the USA Pipe thread generally has a taper but I believe there is also a British Parallel pipe thread. Additional info on threads and more http://www.britishfasteners.com/ Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tim Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:12 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Balance pipe nipple thread Listers, The parts book calls for a 1/2" UNF tube with a compression sleeve where the fuel line meets the balance pipe. I went through this with my Alpine and as I recall, the 1/2" UNF tube nut worked fine. The balance pipe I have for the Tiger seems to have a different thread. My local supplier was stumped and said it almost looks like a Whitworth thread. Does anybody have insight into this? I bought the pipe on EBay as the original was trashed so it possibly came from a different model? I guess I could cut the nipple off and weld on a new one or find a different pipe altogether but I am still puzzled by this. Thanks, Tim _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/5015 - Release Date: 05/22/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 18:45:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABD82D03DF for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:45:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C212C0CC3 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:44:59 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=ix.netcom.com; b=Y26Sb352j3lBP7Ay6Ygr3qwog5OIxkVAGPAgR6DcVzWdzvmiuv4N0+L847n8iiCU; h=Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [166.137.11.72] (helo=[10.117.38.9]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SWzhq-0007D6-Ee; Tue, 22 May 2012 20:45:38 -0400 References: <5E4F40CEB87744E2B43B1D6B7F84FA43@ronpc1> In-Reply-To: <5E4F40CEB87744E2B43B1D6B7F84FA43@ronpc1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <9A0E5E8F-4EE4-413E-8623-F19AEAF471EE@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Allan Ballard Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:45:34 -0400 To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" X-ELNK-Trace: 2f4fdeefbaace5eb74cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e519606889a646612b7285b0ddc80b6c3f929e243350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 166.137.11.72 Cc: tim , "" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Balance pipe nipple thread X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Did all Tigers use the same fitting? I should have been more specific in my earlier posting - Alpines changed fittings between the end of Series IV (1965) and the beginning of the last series. Is it reasonable to assume that the same balance pipes and changed fittings were used on Tigers? Or did the factory use the same pipe but with a different, Tiger specific fitting.. Just my $0.02 worth :) Allan Ballard Mk1a Tiger Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2012, at 4:31 PM, " Ron Fraser" wrote: > Tim > I believe the fuel line on my Tiger at the balance pipe is 5/16 > tubing. I recall the tube nut was about 2x longer than the standard tube > nut I could find so I reused the original; more threads, better contact. > > 5/16 tube nut thread is 1/2 - 24. > > If you have a thread gage you should be able to determine what thread you > have. > > UNF = unified fine thread which is similar and compatible with fine thread > in the USA > > Pipe thread generally has a taper but I believe there is also a British > Parallel pipe thread. > > Additional info on threads and more > > http://www.britishfasteners.com/ > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of tim > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:12 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Balance pipe nipple thread > > > Listers, > > > > The parts book calls for a 1/2" UNF tube with a compression sleeve where the > fuel line meets the balance pipe. I went through this with my Alpine and as > I recall, the 1/2" UNF tube nut worked fine. > > > > The balance pipe I have for the Tiger seems to have a different thread. My > local supplier was stumped and said it almost looks like a Whitworth thread. > > > > Does anybody have insight into this? I bought the pipe on EBay as the > original was trashed so it possibly came from a different model? I guess I > could cut the nipple off and weld on a new one or find a different pipe > altogether but I am still puzzled by this. > > > > Thanks, > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/5015 - Release Date: 05/22/12 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aballard@ix.netcom.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 19:43:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09E12D05C9 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:43:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09912D04EC for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:43:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q4N1hmxK002770; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:44:14 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0225 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189486) id dm0225.4f90dc52.720419; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:43:59 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PvEDfHIC3lgIAAAAD,1fdf49d4e84c2629026c508b19da4fcb X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.148.134 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Allan Ballard'" Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 21:43:55 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Thread-Index: Ac04fWICuHKNUHKMTuGBxRTd8cUyAwABQ/+A In-Reply-To: <9A0E5E8F-4EE4-413E-8623-F19AEAF471EE@ix.netcom.com> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-22_07:2012-05-21,2012-05-22,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205220328 Cc: 'tim' , tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Balance pipe nipple thread X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Allan There is a bit of confusion in the Parts List about the balance pipe inner or cross over pipe. There are 5 numbers listed for the balance pipe. 1206336 Series III 1206753 S IV up to B9407422 2228999 S IV from B9407423 - B395000000 260 up to B382000000 2235552 S V from B395000001 260 from B382000001 2239563 Supersedes all of the above numbers but is not listed separately as a part just as an s/d number next to the above numbers. There is little detail about the fuel pipe nut and olive, just one listing for a 1/2 UNF nut for S IV from B9407423 -B395003168. I only have 1 fuel pipe listing for the Tiger from the balance tube to the pump - 1224803 Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:46 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tim; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Balance pipe nipple thread Did all Tigers use the same fitting? I should have been more specific in my earlier posting - Alpines changed fittings between the end of Series IV (1965) and the beginning of the last series. Is it reasonable to assume that the same balance pipes and changed fittings were used on Tigers? Or did the factory use the same pipe but with a different, Tiger specific fitting.. Just my $0.02 worth :) Allan Ballard Mk1a Tiger Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 23 10:12:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56932D0642 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 10:12:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0592D0500 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 10:11:55 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=ix.netcom.com; b=sfJNdQ7oEx5+6OJ+sAs6M2yTuSt/zedkPTSFAb7ma5tl3vNTgwiUz9RO7TYNrR7Z; h=Received:Subject:References:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [166.137.8.220] (helo=[10.46.49.178]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SXEAn-0006Vb-Qs for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 23 May 2012 12:12:30 -0400 References: <13DE98E7-E9F6-4B3E-970F-7C9D85563B33@ix.netcom.com> From: Allan Ballard X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <13DE98E7-E9F6-4B3E-970F-7C9D85563B33@ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:12:26 -0400 To: Tiger List Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-ELNK-Trace: 2f4fdeefbaace5eb74cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e519606887ab57c54a777832025f92fcd98a29990350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 166.137.8.220 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Balance pipe nipple thread X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ron, The Series V Alpine fuel pipe nut is 9/16, compared to 1/2 for Series IV Alpines that you noted.. The crossover pipe looks the same on both Alpines made during the Tiger era and quite likely is the same as the pipe used on Tigers. Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2012, at 10:19 PM, Allan Ballard wrote: > I found out about different fuel pipe nut and olive fittings being used on Alpines the hard way :) > > I put a balance pipe from a Series V alpine (1966-1968) into my Series IV Alpine (1963) and tried to attach the fuel line. > > It wouldn't attach. > > The pipes are the same but the fitting > changed. One is different from the other by a small amount. > > So there were different fitting sizes used on the Series Alpines that overlap Tiger production but the balance pipe looks to be the same on both cars. > > Perhaps Tigers use a larger fitting for the fuel line than Alpines - I've never replaced a Tiger connecting pipe with an Alpine pipe. > > OTOH maybe not and Tigers use a different sized fitting on early models from later models corresponding to the Alpine fittings. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 22, 2012, at 9:43 PM, " Ron Fraser" wrote: > >> Allan >> There is a bit of confusion in the Parts List about the balance pipe >> inner or cross over pipe. There are 5 numbers listed for the balance pipe. >> >> 1206336 Series III >> 1206753 S IV up to B9407422 >> 2228999 S IV from B9407423 - B395000000 260 up to B382000000 >> 2235552 S V from B395000001 260 from B382000001 >> 2239563 Supersedes all of the above numbers but is not listed separately as >> a part just as an s/d number next to the above numbers. >> >> There is little detail about the fuel pipe nut and olive, just one listing >> for a 1/2 UNF nut for S IV from B9407423 -B395003168. >> >> I only have 1 fuel pipe listing for the Tiger from the balance tube to the >> pump - 1224803 >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:46 PM >> To: rfraser@bluefrog.com >> Cc: tim; >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Balance pipe nipple thread >> >> >> Did all Tigers use the same fitting? >> >> I should have been more specific in my earlier posting - Alpines changed >> fittings between the end of Series IV (1965) and the beginning of the last >> series. >> >> Is it reasonable to assume that the same balance pipes and changed fittings >> were used on Tigers? >> >> Or did the factory use the same pipe but with a different, Tiger specific >> fitting.. >> >> Just my $0.02 worth :) >> >> Allan Ballard >> Mk1a Tiger >> >> Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 25 00:09:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5617D2D03FB for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 00:09:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from st11p01mm-asmtpout004.mac.com (st11p01mm-asmtpout004.mac.com [17.172.204.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871CD2D03D6 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 00:07:53 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [10.0.1.20] ([98.234.45.13]) by st11p01mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0M4K00IYNEEBD530@st11p01mm-asmtp004.mac.com> for tigers@autox.team.net; Fri, 25 May 2012 06:08:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7724,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-25_02:2012-05-24,2012-05-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=62 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205240391 From: Carlo Bernardino Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 23:08:33 -0700 References: <1337918194.43209.YahooMailNeo@web121103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: tigers@autox.team.net Message-id: <81A2FB31-DB6C-41D7-9DD0-04F55F428C3D@me.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: STOA/ Shelby Tribute/ Sat 5/26/ San Jose/ Fw: More info about the Carroll Shelby Tribute this Saturday. X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > ATTENTION: > All Tiger Owners. > We have a chance to honor Carroll Shelby with a photo op (with drivers) > at the San Jose Mercury News campus in San Jose (Info Below) > This takes place Saturday 5/26/12 > > As per the STOA General Meeting, Tigers will be gathering at 8AM > in the LOWES parking lot across the street from the San Jose Mercury News. > > If you are planning on attending, you need to > RSVP by Email: coolcars55@sbcglobal.net which will help the organizers with their planning. > > Hope to see a strong Tiger Showing > -Ron Willis > Tiger Prez > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Hot San Jose Nights > To: tigerprez2011@yahoo.com > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:13 PM > Subject: More info about the Carroll Shelby Tribute this Saturday. > > Having trouble viewing this email? Click here > > Update Info for > A Tribute to Carroll Shelby > CALLING ALL SHELBYs > > When: Saturday, May 26th > Time: 10am - Noon > Where: The Mercury News Campus > 750 Ridder Park Drive > San Jose, 95190 > > (See driving map) > > Learn More about the Tribute Invitation Click Here > View Program Click Here > View Map of parking layout Click Here > > Everyone is invited to this public event! The lawn is dedicated to Shelby influenced/powered vehicles. There will be plenty of parking all around for all types of cars. > ALL CARS are invited to join in the > Moment of Noise! > > Bill Cosby > > Bill Cosby has sent a letter about his dear friend to be read and he referred us to this link that further explains the letter. Please take a moment to click it & listen! Bill would be very pleased if you would. > > > Bill Cosby 200MPH > > Kelvin Boyd's Drifters > > The Drifters (Kelvin Boyd, Tommie Moore, Eric Johnson and Eliah Sterlin) will be performing the National Anthem to honor Carroll Shelby. www.kbdrifters.com > > > > Car Guy Channel Will Be Filming > > Car Guy Channel will be capturing the Carroll Shelby Tribute. Guest host Vanita Cillo will step in for Mike to do on the spot interviews with the Shelby Car owners before and after the Tribute. www.carguychannel.com > > White Roses With > Black Ribbons For You! > > Valley Florist and King Crane Service thought it might be a nice touch to see a white rose with a black ribbon on the cars. They are graciously donating 200 of them just for you to make this really a picture perfect day! > > So Many Thank You's! > > There are so many wonderful people who have helped to make this Tribute to Carroll Shelby a wonderful success. They've given their time or services or both to help make this a memorable day for us all. > > Most importantly we would like to thank The Mercury News for allowing us to honor Carroll Shelby on their beautiful Campus with the support of the Bay Area News Group & Rick Schiller. > > Kelvin Boyd and the Drifters ~ Tommie Moore, Eric Johnson, & Eliah Sterlin are giving their precious time to honor Carroll Shelby by performing the National Anthem for us. > > Joe Testa of Mustang Ranch gave us his kind support. > > Jeff Hermle & Legacy Sanitation is providing for those special needs we all have! > > Ascot Rentals has kindly supplied the chairs. > > King Crane Service: Brad Dixon, Roger Pascal, Jim Coenen graciously providing the "view" for our photographers. > > Rich Sieve and Dennis Mattish are providing their extensive photography expertise, time, and efforts that will make wonderful posters. > > Vanita Cillo has fearlessly stepped in to guest host Car Guy Channel to help us preserve the memory of this Tribute while Mike is overseeing the details of the day. > > Dale Sainsbury and Omega Printing have provided the programs & the wonderful posters to help us preserve the memory of this fitting Tribute. > > Valley Florist in conjunction with King Crane will be providing 200 white roses with black ribbons for the hood of each car. Won't that be beautiful? > > And as always a special thank you to the Hot San Jose Nights Volunteer team who are tireless in their efforts to help to set up, man, and tear down our events. > > From Mike to Susan: A very special thank you to my wife Susan Hennessy for all of her hard work with the emails, website, & designs. I love you, Susan. > > From Susan to Mike: Thank you honey for the opportunity to learn & accomplish things that I never thought I could do and for all of the wonderful "car guys" that I would have never had the opportunity to have met. Your dedication to your cars and events is what you would call "beyond Thunderdome" and you are the hardest working man I have ever met in my life! Sadly I still can't tell a Shelby GT450 from a regular Mustang so there is still more work for you to do! > > Event Organizers, > Mike & Susan Hennessy > > > > > Forward this email > > This email was sent to tigerprez2011@yahoo.com by info@hotsanjosenights.com | > Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe | Privacy Policy. > Hot San Jose Nights | 735 Harrison St. | Santa Clara | CA | 95050 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 25 18:20:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6162D03F7 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 18:20:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail02.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CE4B2D0341 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 18:19:25 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1337991609; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=hQh6+RWee2AjxTeQDdDDHVxAxyJXj4I46gvOftU0rqTj76NJyQmdovMd0fucmzM4a PM1pN/HiL7I9EPbcm1Jhu6JnjcwoVfI2LBVblmJnAuK2Tah9Zr8oAa039i9d3iIIEQ bmyKWxY2B+gMPyWdk8Jc3nuiBXWMzdqzRo36D+gY= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail05.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.145]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABH6AJPRAGM8E7J for (sender ); Fri, 25 May 2012 17:19:59 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: iAHQ1MJu/BA/FiudNvwKlbs0DjhIO6BJDjWiW5mKxfdLmThCq7qGag== Received: (from rsdslp@juno.com) by webmail05.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id R9MW9TVY; Fri, 25 May 2012 17:19:36 PDT Received: from [67.183.123.113] by webmail05.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 26 May 2012 00:18:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.183.123.113] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "rsdslp@juno.com" Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 00:18:43 GMT To: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20120525.171843.27119.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> X-UNTD-BodySize: 1281 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2385670951 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.145|webmail05.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|rsdslp@juno.com X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Flywheel X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I am about to replace the clutch in my Tiger and thought that given the number of times the flywheel has been resurfaced, it might be time to replace it. Any recommendations out there for a standard flywheel for a 289?I did a quick look at the Summit Racing catalog and it seems there are way too many choices out there.I'm not looking for anything special, just a basic direct replacement that is affordable. ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fc021af565251b5cd05st05duc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 25 18:24:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C59A2D044C for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 18:24:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7874B2D0349 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 18:24:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so2643870obb.14 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 17:25:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5KPXeB9/6yxfTBHFrX/irNLT08nrjnypF21kRiIZO30=; b=BFwIQlsr1tBUaZhKpqf9gboBtyl8+ZAC7o1zXEBgMMAly4NlUI+JwDASReoz4jfwpE rWu91XvvKmb9lXl3h/kspkMyBstT2HXbrWjdr+uMeDjeXuiM7EJcFA927HWcNXJJv/ps xx8A9ysRReXWMudFqvztl8nTKFIUUfMBx3hXb7oj7jlAvIKBiMrddrq7fY7UlTtSfU95 6oQgkaMKNet3KbPTDza9VSUJC7VeirAUB888UVXyWlOJu4V+YPmvJZ6VK3gl578EmcRm Phd5hhXLLSfxG0DaU8zMo/l+Tp0NIn7mYmyxeQF0MeuIIgwXl+x8U0w5iCx5juNAlKkl HT3A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.231 with SMTP id y7mr20114igm.21.1337991930489; Fri, 25 May 2012 17:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.171.134 with HTTP; Fri, 25 May 2012 17:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.171.134 with HTTP; Fri, 25 May 2012 17:25:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120525.171843.27119.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> References: <20120525.171843.27119.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 20:25:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: "rsdslp@juno.com" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Flywheel X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: michael@michaelshortt.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Are you also replacing the clutch, TO bearing, pilot bearing and FRP bolts at the same time? If so, I like Centerforce Aluminum FW and dual friction clutch assembly. Michael Shortt On May 25, 2012 8:21 PM, "rsdslp@juno.com" wrote: > I am about to replace the clutch in my Tiger and thought that given the > number > of times the flywheel has been resurfaced, it might be time to replace it. > Any > recommendations out there for a standard flywheel for a 289?I did a quick > look > at the Summit Racing catalog and it seems there are way too many choices > out > there.I'm not looking for anything special, just a basic direct replacement > that is affordable. > ____________________________________________________________ > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fc021af565251b5cd05st05duc > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 25 19:48:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90FA72D05CB for ; 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[69.203.25.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d20sm7118136vde.20.2012.05.25.19.11.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 25 May 2012 19:11:20 -0700 (PDT) References: <20120525.171843.27119.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) From: Owain Lloyd Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 22:11:17 -0400 To: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Flywheel X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ford racing billet steel fw is affordable and shatter resistant. My engine is so free revving I've never needed an Alu fw. I have the McLeod steel fw which is not the cheapest but when I bought it, it was all that was available. I have no reason the fault it. I can second the recommendation for the centre force clutch. I've had a couple and been very happy with them for durability, balance, light feel, progressive engagement and excellent grip. On May 25, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "michael@michaelshortt.com" wrote: > Are you also replacing the clutch, TO bearing, pilot bearing and FRP bolts > at the same time? > > If so, I like Centerforce Aluminum FW and dual friction clutch assembly. > > Michael Shortt > On May 25, 2012 8:21 PM, "rsdslp@juno.com" wrote: > >> I am about to replace the clutch in my Tiger and thought that given the >> number >> of times the flywheel has been resurfaced, it might be time to replace it. >> Any >> recommendations out there for a standard flywheel for a 289?I did a quick >> look >> at the Summit Racing catalog and it seems there are way too many choices >> out >> there.I'm not looking for anything special, just a basic direct replacement >> that is affordable. >> ____________________________________________________________ >> 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 >> The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fc021af565251b5cd05st05duc >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 12:39:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473E72D035F for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:39:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc1-s10.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc1-s10.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00082D02FE for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:39:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL121-DS17 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s10.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 28 May 2012 11:40:07 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [74.103.64.206] X-Originating-Email: [w_pierzga@msn.com] Message-ID: From: Wayne-MSN To: "'tim '" , References: <007e01cd384e$c7c9d430$575d7c90$@ca> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:41:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <007e01cd384e$c7c9d430$575d7c90$@ca> Thread-Index: Ac06kjeLILumRFFDQm2xP0xDdBxGLQCblqOw X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2012 18:40:07.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E282D90:01CD3D01] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Balance pipe nipple thread X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tim: Please have a look at: http://www.bresco.com/acatalog/Brake_and_Fuel_Hardware.html I believe the part you seek is Ref: BSF403P Cheers, Wayne -----Original Message----- From: tim [mailto:crabco@shaw.ca] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:12 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Balance pipe nipple thread Listers, The parts book calls for a 1/2" UNF tube with a compression sleeve where the fuel line meets the balance pipe. I went through this with my Alpine and as I recall, the 1/2" UNF tube nut worked fine. The balance pipe I have for the Tiger seems to have a different thread. My local supplier was stumped and said it almost looks like a Whitworth thread. Does anybody have insight into this? I bought the pipe on EBay as the original was trashed so it possibly came from a different model? I guess I could cut the nipple off and weld on a new one or find a different pipe altogether but I am still puzzled by this. Thanks, Tim _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 17:48:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366542D033D for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:48:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3692D030C for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:27:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FbCw1j00116LCl05EbUcpM; Mon, 28 May 2012 23:28:36 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([71.233.107.30]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FbUb1j00R0fNubr3SbUcoY; Mon, 28 May 2012 23:28:36 +0000 Message-ID: <812E6161462745119CAC11F01EC7D357@sbrennanPC> From: "Stu Brennan" To: "Tiger Net" Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 19:28:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Brake Mystery X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net OK, guys, troubleshooting time. The problem: Brakes pull sharply to the left on application. The pull is continuous, not transient on application. Background: All seemed fine last fall when I put it away. I rebuilt the calipers, slave and master last summer. The right caliper pistons moved freely, and grabbed the disk when the pedal was pressed. The right bled OK. Since the booster was going out for a rebuild, I replaced all three flex hoses while I was waiting. I finally got it all back together and bled it this afternoon, then went for a drive. Booster ok, no leaks, but the same pull to the left was still there. I pulled the ebrake, and it stayed straight, so itbs not the rear, and I can feel it in the steering anyway. So, any ideas? What could happen over the winter that could cause something like this? Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 17:54:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848B12D035E for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:54:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55702D0314; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:49:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm7 with SMTP id m7so2371618yen.14 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:50:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type :mime-version; bh=hHy2eCH7ZEW4ASXHLF+/1U0qdellLdYgA6rq36RklRY=; b=szhwlpRO2Jc2pnmOfBi/xmwextr1pmJ06tVSAX64Zs4W7wJnuBLBPXjVX98t4EDYMc ytIzlvUpyN0q9QjxYWxutciPMyXaZiTg1BuDPJEWLl3b4QzPkv7HTjgChi15T/j805EF uOP/txfiCC8TMH3gvW3r+/f3l0QnFpaQfr1WBzmtSTTgn15DQ9O9eUHPtlWkT+vcUfdw wGE8AyfAUqksf5COkzmQAA2Ydz9nT8cYP5oXh5mQYUBj5+fycDyCaTrvu7NwSpQ1zG3a A1uizVYkXWeOxHJ4yXzelGUIobPi6535wi9fpoGaeEPZInVbWLc2HphaxwvQk0+fk788 ICLA== Received: by 10.50.51.132 with SMTP id k4mr5487608igo.17.1338249040237; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.186 (bda-74-82-80-88.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nz4sm7087189igc.14.2012.05.28.16.50.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 May 2012 16:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Sensitivity: Normal To: "Stu Brennan" ,tigers-bounces@autox.team.net,"Tiger Net" From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 23:50:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Mystery X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jay.laifman@gmail.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120528235439.848B12D035E@autox.team.net> Brake lines on right. Replace all. Jay ------Original Message------ From: Stu Brennan Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net To: Tiger Net Subject: [Tigers] Brake Mystery Sent: May 28, 2012 4:28 PM OK, guys, troubleshooting time. The problem: Brakes pull sharply to the left on application. The pull is continuous, not transient on application. Background: All seemed fine last fall when I put it away. I rebuilt the calipers, slave and master last summer. The right caliper pistons moved freely, and grabbed the disk when the pedal was pressed. The right bled OK. Since the booster was going out for a rebuild, I replaced all three flex hoses while I was waiting. I finally got it all back together and bled it this afternoon, then went for a drive. Booster ok, no leaks, but the same pull to the left was still there. I pulled the ebrake, and it stayed straight, so itbs not the rear, and I can feel it in the steering anyway. So, any ideas? What could happen over the winter that could cause something like this? Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 17:55:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A202D0390 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:55:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f169.google.com (mail-gh0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2FA2D0324; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:50:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ghrr18 with SMTP id r18so2001330ghr.14 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:51:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=Zi5oi2W895M48e2kq1Rn/hla1djXJvpX5yUTeqrA7EU=; b=Cn2Y5X/4QPv+Z4PwusEAu1O764/Rd6+OWs5WtqUTkrt1aUu6HVipjXviw5OjG+URMO Gfvq0mD+cWHKxedvnPZHkVC0RU1MzS+jktJJw1FdU291dnoNPgTz9ZzS7smguYQXhTpp RB7bIYzlJ3oxPO6C35auvuF+PTpAqNvsWk0J2tHhzGn5K0G57gF81MwssrAmU8pYRgot LFbMRwoEI14VqiSSfPVup3AO06PMWY0F4ikULJVpdp1FJryahR25uC392ak3JH/mfmcu hiVIvNuoDh+2XL37P66EiZLVNkc3VwwVaomras+u34Hcfw43+lpDkSTgH/d8/KioOa3j v9Lw== Received: by 10.43.131.194 with SMTP id hr2mr5126217icc.34.1338249071635; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.186 (bda-74-82-80-88.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ud8sm12816153igb.4.2012.05.28.16.51.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 May 2012 16:51:10 -0700 (PDT) References: <1212382392-1338249036-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1011741218-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry> In-Reply-To: <1212382392-1338249036-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1011741218-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Stu Brennan" ,tigers-bounces@autox.team.net,"Tiger Net" From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 23:51:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Mystery X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jay.laifman@gmail.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120528235515.92A202D0390@autox.team.net> I should have said brake hoses. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 23:50:35 To: Stu Brennan; ; Tiger Net Reply-To: jay.laifman@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Mystery Brake lines on right. Replace all. Jay ------Original Message------ From: Stu Brennan Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net To: Tiger Net Subject: [Tigers] Brake Mystery Sent: May 28, 2012 4:28 PM OK, guys, troubleshooting time. The problem: Brakes pull sharply to the left on application. The pull is continuous, not transient on application. Background: All seemed fine last fall when I put it away. I rebuilt the calipers, slave and master last summer. The right caliper pistons moved freely, and grabbed the disk when the pedal was pressed. The right bled OK. Since the booster was going out for a rebuild, I replaced all three flex hoses while I was waiting. I finally got it all back together and bled it this afternoon, then went for a drive. Booster ok, no leaks, but the same pull to the left was still there. I pulled the ebrake, and it stayed straight, so itbs not the rear, and I can feel it in the steering anyway. So, any ideas? What could happen over the winter that could cause something like this? Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 19:29:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8212D035E for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 19:29:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EDC12D032E for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 19:24:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q4T1MuID001881; Mon, 28 May 2012 18:25:22 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b164) id sj1-dm103.4f90dc95.84e694; Mon, 28 May 2012 18:25:19 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PxCV/0UlQSQIAAAAC,cdb6c491a7646eb6e88cee1dd91145e0 X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.177.100 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Stu Brennan'" , "'Tiger Net'" Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 21:24:28 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <812E6161462745119CAC11F01EC7D357@sbrennanPC> Thread-Index: Ac09LHqylJaowMEeSI+i/1SKK7iDFgACzfEg X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-28_05:2012-05-21,2012-05-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205280349 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Mystery X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Stu You rebuilt the system and now there is probably contamination or air in the line somewhere. The left caliper is doing all the braking. It may have some contamination grabbing the caliper pistons - check to make sure the left caliper is releasing OK. Bled it to see if any contamination comes out. The right caliper is not getting the same force as the left. Air in the line can cause this - bled it some more. Check to make sure the brake pads are floating in position, not cocked or hung up at the edges. I have had to file the edge down on a few pads to make them fit correctly. I don't think it is the case here but if the rear brakes are not adjusted correct; they can cause this problem too. Pull the park brake handle one click at a time to see if the rear wheels grab and lock at the same time. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stu Brennan Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:28 PM To: Tiger Net Subject: [Tigers] Brake Mystery OK, guys, troubleshooting time. The problem: Brakes pull sharply to the left on application. The pull is continuous, not transient on application. Background: All seemed fine last fall when I put it away. I rebuilt the calipers, slave and master last summer. The right caliper pistons moved freely, and grabbed the disk when the pedal was pressed. The right bled OK. Since the booster was going out for a rebuild, I replaced all three flex hoses while I was waiting. I finally got it all back together and bled it this afternoon, then went for a drive. Booster ok, no leaks, but the same pull to the left was still there. I pulled the ebrake, and it stayed straight, so itbs not the rear, and I can feel it in the steering anyway. So, any ideas? What could happen over the winter that could cause something like this? Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/5027 - Release Date: 05/28/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 20:21:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A932D03E6 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 20:21:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com [159.54.39.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6AE2D035F for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 20:20:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXHC02.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.20.1.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80912345F27; Mon, 28 May 2012 22:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::5d98:601a:f044:d018]) by ENT-MOCEXHC02.us.ad.gannett.com ([172.20.1.48]) with mapi; Mon, 28 May 2012 22:21:43 -0400 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" , 'Stu Brennan' , 'Tiger Net' Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 22:21:47 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Brake Mystery Thread-Index: Ac09LHqylJaowMEeSI+i/1SKK7iDFgACzfEgAAJxYFA= Message-ID: References: <812E6161462745119CAC11F01EC7D357@sbrennanPC> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Mystery X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net What type of brake hose did you use? Rubber or Stainless braided? Any idea how old the replacement brake hoses are? Stainless should not present any problems, but if they are new old stock they could have been bad before they were installed on the car. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 6:24 PM To: 'Stu Brennan'; 'Tiger Net' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Mystery Stu You rebuilt the system and now there is probably contamination or air in the line somewhere. The left caliper is doing all the braking. It may have some contamination grabbing the caliper pistons - check to make sure the left caliper is releasing OK. Bled it to see if any contamination comes out. The right caliper is not getting the same force as the left. Air in the line can cause this - bled it some more. Check to make sure the brake pads are floating in position, not cocked or hung up at the edges. I have had to file the edge down on a few pads to make them fit correctly. I don't think it is the case here but if the rear brakes are not adjusted correct; they can cause this problem too. Pull the park brake handle one click at a time to see if the rear wheels grab and lock at the same time. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stu Brennan Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:28 PM To: Tiger Net Subject: [Tigers] Brake Mystery OK, guys, troubleshooting time. The problem: Brakes pull sharply to the left on application. The pull is continuous, not transient on application. Background: All seemed fine last fall when I put it away. I rebuilt the calipers, slave and master last summer. The right caliper pistons moved freely, and grabbed the disk when the pedal was pressed. The right bled OK. Since the booster was going out for a rebuild, I replaced all three flex hoses while I was waiting. I finally got it all back together and bled it this afternoon, then went for a drive. Booster ok, no leaks, but the same pull to the left was still there. I pulled the ebrake, and it stayed straight, so itbs not the rear, and I can feel it in the steering anyway. So, any ideas? What could happen over the winter that could cause something like this? Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 21:02:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA2F2D033C for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 21:02:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF662D01D8 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 20:57:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Feq41j0090cZkys5Feyehz; Tue, 29 May 2012 02:58:38 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([71.233.107.30]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Feyd1j0020fNubr3WeyePX; Tue, 29 May 2012 02:58:38 +0000 Message-ID: <39DF5891FDC34595B3B99DB35AC2FB31@sbrennanPC> From: "Stu Brennan" To: "Teepen, Jere" , , "'Tiger Net'" References: <812E6161462745119CAC11F01EC7D357@sbrennanPC> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 22:58:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Mystery X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net To answer various questions and comments... The pull to the left was the same before and after I replaced ALL THREE flex hoses, within the last week. The hoses were sourced from one of our trusted suppliers within the last month I did pull the ebrake on and the car remained straight. The silicon fluid had been in the new hoses about an hour before the test drive this afternoon Both the L and R calipers bled normally. The pedal is nice and firm, so I don't think there is much air left in the system. The pull to the left occurs only during pedal application. I did not check for left disk temperatures, the drive was about 1/2 mile, and I didn't notice anything like a pull to the side with the brakes off. The left disk seemed free when I was putting the wheel back on after bleeding. The pad backing plates were ground down a bit so they are free in the calipers I'll jack it up and fiddle around some more tomorrow night. Rain predicted, so it will probably stay in the garage. Funny thing, Jere, you got Ron's message before I did. As of sending this, it's not in my inbox or spam bin yet. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 21:18:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91042D034A for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 21:18:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801902D02F3 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 21:15:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from student2 ([unknown] [98.119.35.221]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M4R00K10L2VIUB1@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 28 May 2012 22:16:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <812E6161462745119CAC11F01EC7D357@sbrennanPC> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 20:16:19 -0700 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Mystery X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I wouldn't completely rule out the rear brakes. Pulling the handle actuates the brakes by cable. In normal braking they actuate hydraulically. So, while the cable may be functioning the brakes properly, the hydraulics may not. That said it still sounds like it is associated with the front brakes. 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://46designers.com/sseatun.php?list=892 Work from home ____________ So wehad the odd spoon, and dropped it in her apron-pocket whilst she wasa-giving us our sailing orders, and Jim got it all right, along with hershingle nail, before noon. deonte aekerman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 05:13:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB73F2D0359 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 05:13:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55632D031E for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Is there any chance of contamination (oil or grease) being on one of the pads? Mark In a message dated 5/28/2012 11:03:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, stubrennan@comcast.net writes: To answer various questions and comments... The pull to the left was the same before and after I replaced ALL THREE flex hoses, within the last week. The hoses were sourced from one of our trusted suppliers within the last month I did pull the ebrake on and the car remained straight. The silicon fluid had been in the new hoses about an hour before the test drive this afternoon Both the L and R calipers bled normally. The pedal is nice and firm, so I don't think there is much air left in the system. The pull to the left occurs only during pedal application. I did not check for left disk temperatures, the drive was about 1/2 mile, and I didn't notice anything like a pull to the side with the brakes off. The left disk seemed free when I was putting the wheel back on after bleeding. The pad backing plates were ground down a bit so they are free in the calipers I'll jack it up and fiddle around some more tomorrow night. Rain predicted, so it will probably stay in the garage. Funny thing, Jere, you got Ron's message before I did. As of sending this, it's not in my inbox or spam bin yet. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 07:51:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC332D0188 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:51:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE8B2D0162 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:51:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail251-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.244) by CH1EHSOBE010.bigfish.com (10.43.70.60) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 29 May 2012 13:51:39 +0000 Received: from mail251-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail251-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E1D1BC048E; Tue, 29 May 2012 13:51:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:204.77.163.11; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: 11 X-BigFish: VPS11(zze2eMzz1202hzzz30ih2a8h668h839h944hd25hf0ah) Received-SPF: fail (mail251-ch1: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail251-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail251-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1338299497477877_7980; Tue, 29 May 2012 13:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS015.bigfish.com (snatpool2.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.236]) by mail251-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72ACB180048; Tue, 29 May 2012 13:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CH1EHSMHS015.bigfish.com (10.43.70.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 29 May 2012 13:51:33 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:52:07 -0500 Received: from OL-EX2K7HT2.ad.garmin.com (10.2.1.217) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:51:54 -0500 Received: from OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com ([fe80:0000:0000:0000:18d3:70d4:70.53.29.188]) by OL-EX2K7HT2.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.1.217]) with mapi; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:51:54 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "CoolVT@aol.com" , "stubrennan@comcast.net" , "jteepen@usatoday.com" , "rfraser@bluefrog.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:51:54 -0500 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Brake Mystery Thread-Index: Ac09jDUrlJ31/5DATES7iADI58dPwAAFWPkQ Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C98376C@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> References: <3217.c8b22a3.3cf60976@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <3217.c8b22a3.3cf60976@aol.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: dynastream.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Mystery X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Stu, More than likely you've got a problem with the right brake caliper - one or both of the pistons are sticking and unless you do a very heavy brake application it's not grabbing the right rotor like it should. It may be a thing where once you do get that side to move, it will stay stuck on... I would pull both front brakes apart and verify it's all okay in there. Note that you should not separate the caliper halves unless you really need to... the O-rings in the caliper body are hard to get. Good luck, Theo This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 08:09:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16E02D033B for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:09:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0203.b.hostedemail.com [64.98.42.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C872D02FD for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay02.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C150E258D9D for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:10:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Panda: scanned! X-Session-Marker: 6A696D6D633133406875676865732E6E6574 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 2784 Received: from RedBudAdminPC (unknown [97.72.222.164]) (Authenticated sender: jimmc13@hughes.net) by omf13.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:10:04 +0000 (UTC) From: "Jim" To: Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:09:57 -0500 Message-ID: <038C4D2FC8E64F72B9A022172DE0F706@RedBudAdminPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac09pLqFagjXmsNrQw23e2OpwYdr5g== X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Need advice on Tiger Badge Motifs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Good morning all! I have been working on different parts of my car (B382000175) and am stumped regarding how to restore, or get restored, my 3 'Sunbeam 260, motifs. The silver in the lettering appears to be a Bright Silver or chrome, but for the life of me, I cannot figure out how to restore these so they look correct. Any help available? Thanks in advance. Jim B382000175 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 08:40:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D95C2D0359 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:40:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B762D0317 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:40:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so2655978qcs.14 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:40:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=munroe.ca; s=google; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=IiX90ChHTo/8ZeASpWOmzEZ9QvYj2NxacF078oIFHh0=; b=mo5R3dIDl3JY4fLeQhoGHYzTfHtVzJo9d0ODImc6TWENrZBW7XDatYv1bFO2cLM8at 67Db206J2kgu6vqz864GyK2a9UIgyYUy79xLjpt734lVe3izuzrKYcSsgm2VdNQH0F0W vdqLRo4yAisBpFDDoptuQGQJeomhAsMG4l8hk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=IiX90ChHTo/8ZeASpWOmzEZ9QvYj2NxacF078oIFHh0=; b=DNFN9nIquy30UOi0bL9JvG5LuoI5gdKlQ4IbLN8W/HlQviokWPWlV/vKQaN4XDM1u7 Rc+Q6cJZKKY85OvMGjXo8f4MKd1CVY03aKdX4QUr4QKKMWKm3p0k5Xyu4mi9Ds3203Kh SELJrUArysfwas9lkTbNfXhKz+dGu+vChfJx6HRkKxBZVuh9yAuceEe0rQzCJGxf4wLG KZ7eD0ViKzpSiOq7lMBlUK662d45vepeETukaY0Q6yuhmdV2GRCmJjYH8HY5LChbI+DE 0p5ntZYtdwGcbt40j8RacjkrW9OWPL6vGLzBJsAvEYxo/rXcJO+f56ABrX4qJFzAtsb8 AV8A== Received: by 10.224.196.200 with SMTP id eh8mr12201848qab.88.1338302456698; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:40:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DavePC (DRMONS0505W-142134038140.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net. [142.134.38.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gb7sm31961619qab.12.2012.05.29.07.40.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 May 2012 07:40:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <498555D031A34398A25C3551A9924698@DavePC> From: "Dave Munroe" To: "Smit, Theo" , , , , , References: <3217.c8b22a3.3cf60976@aol.com> <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C98376C@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C98376C@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 11:40:54 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlGErF8ab/uZm920IKgSxRcScVTGvvHM04GozW9QeSrtPYaXzpoKmw3k9T7yC6Il+A+MO4z Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Mystery X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Stu: I note you are using silicone (DOT 5) brake fluid. I have had issues in the past with silicone reacting with certain types of piston seal material that swells when in contact with silicone and seizes the pistons. Any chance you have NOS seals that might be affecting the pistons? Brake problems are often very mysterious until solved, then all comes clear! Persistence rules...check everything starting with the easiest first. I wish you a speedy solution and await the explanation. Dave ---------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" To: ; ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Mystery Hi Stu, More than likely you've got a problem with the right brake caliper - one or both of the pistons are sticking and unless you do a very heavy brake application it's not grabbing the right rotor like it should. It may be a thing where once you do get that side to move, it will stay stuck on... I would pull both front brakes apart and verify it's all okay in there. Note that you should not separate the caliper halves unless you really need to... the O-rings in the caliper body are hard to get. Good luck, Theo _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 11:06:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DEBE2D0360 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 11:06:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.140]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BFA4E2D0317 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 11:03:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2012 17:03:56 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.196] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2012 17:03:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2012 17:03:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 884072.72087.bm@omp1005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 20395 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2012 17:03:56 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338311036; bh=7PmhSZChYN7XqTQNI4tB/E56AfFk0mP5NOtH7ajLlaQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=e9ro/ZTDUDFmpinjzGBJHIXHr2eURocciEduaA4g8NvPh1pBuq+g/ERjhgVutzBW0D+YK4DpEcgxovIETUPhqZu7XORY7SCvWYHsylwUT6Jeg/ke8lCq8Xy7UY6DZub6gxn7hPEtHo1hfBlSTScRolvdItdcGeifxORXTDY4mj0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NTyOCpgTS83d2cL6VMvWtXVwHKKXuSZKbaWz0stRoVNy2d2vMVh9SAKkOXgcKuHOqb7VOXkMVfVfC6I67ZKe5GNXz9qS4JCmK0/Vhujy/w9STj/uVTTPXgdfoILrtukMCN+xdrux4rf4710MAC1NXfJF+FgmXitVf4O0Mleo9wE=; X-YMail-OSG: 6AWK2W8VM1nqehMikAYp_9p8.R8f1Ik8ZqJLVP0mw1CzURM fEUBCnNVigN1VHVUr8SHU5u1VO8EDrbLUeMOasu8j_PewCh8bQJ8A5kdvMzn UHsHPt9IbwAcL4wvN1vtcDsMpeEeHCvaRAnooOmb3JCesEUXbu_DMh3yE08G UiWBtLxXA9hQgnFDolVwnpfrHRC6aO2XpvN9Mmn7BHkbFOpYVeP8wigNDyJ9 XdqRpuZ6vBr9.ZNpOIfBITcc.sxXCj8bsUXeAAhYSxGdq59NCCevahZUuTK_ wbC7nQZd0JqCWk9WCMxKJd9D7A2E3aQ1XVWAipCxlrY_Q25LIZ8DGtor5JAs 4DHQuJMou0LFJhJU85B1VmQCONeMkM9_KyjdyTvgZDpWR22sLP6JLx2ZedAM 0KffIMYArelJ_9DMJUc5t7q7zGIVFxO2biE1MeHpMBJxCv5lL.SxK78jQoNz _KqARbdnE0cAPAxAjppaFwObG15XnVwW7lAYMBhllK5ErJqzZ_tWtFmb5RtV XSTgLj1irbWMCAMYXPKVP2gERCWRFfp7yB8E3lmFwsZK9g5ycRci2llMttZ2 QwJy7ZaGCRS49YhNzYZ5vhDt2GE9c9YYnxfGLL3hqNagKs8.ouyGqlS1dv5y H_zn3XVk_IeWrrp_NPUem97BuzYY5WWL8KDmGdEBb5O9LUgyQvRbTTIHfVdI - Received: from [63.142.113.13] by web160305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2012 10:03:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1338311036.211.YahooMailClassic@web160305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:03:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Somebody To: TheoSmit , CoolVT@aol.com, stubrennan@comcast.net, jteepen@usatoday.com, rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net, Dave Munroe In-Reply-To: <498555D031A34398A25C3551A9924698@DavePC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Mystery X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: achd73@yahoo.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Having srtared at the end of this thread, I havent read the actual problem. Sounds like no brake or brake stuck. Theo is almost always in the srike zone if he was a professional baseball pitcher. As for silicone, I suppose newer rubber may react different than OEM but Ive being using silicone (dot 5) for several years in both the Tiger and S5 and have not even had to rebilud a clutch or brake master or any brake/clutch component BUT I am rather lucky. My first question would be"Are you running a brake Servo? Good luck and please post the FIX once it is located- so we all might learn. regards, Tony Lang (TtT) --- On Tue, 5/29/12, Dave Munroe wrote: From: Dave Munroe Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Mystery To: "Smit, Theo" , CoolVT@aol.com, stubrennan@comcast.net, jteepen@usatoday.com, rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 9:40 AM Stu: I note you are using silicone (DOT 5) brake fluid. I have had issues in the past with silicone reacting with certain types of piston seal material that swells when in contact with silicone and seizes the pistons. Any chance you have NOS seals that might be affecting the pistons? Brake problems are often very mysterious until solved, then all comes clear! Persistence rules...check everything starting with the easiest first. I wish you a speedy solution and await the explanation. Dave ---------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" To: ; ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Mystery Hi Stu, More than likely you've got a problem with the right brake caliper - one or both of the pistons are sticking and unless you do a very heavy brake application it's not grabbing the right rotor like it should. It may be a thing where once you do get that side to move, it will stay stuck on... I would pull both front brakes apart and verify it's all okay in there. Note that you should not separate the caliper halves unless you really need to... the O-rings in the caliper body are hard to get. Good luck, Theo _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 16:54:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CDEE2D01D8 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 16:54:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB7C2D0188 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 16:51:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhj6 with SMTP id hj6so2539477wib.2 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:52:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vsS3LL5OoPCLGR7DuJTi9qCiw7nEDnq10NABW12CtYY=; b=BbYZhuvLQ04I2IwnZrWYeOb+zEia04br7Bjk/6gd9cNag8SqOiiJpjQtCSdbTPNLXJ hbbd8phu9ak2P36W4OISmeqZlk3xlt//Ws0C6nJxWp+egSweTLaGsHhO0OW+evflKBoL 9eklf9Lb+54BHTSKKygnpWbgcu415eePp8pb1adQ2hYqcCTkyLVqeJEky4RI4BpvWWvP oHTTofp7c/RovvbMLjtps14Jj8Q2cLPZDB3MnScWTv1XsZifNT3nytLajs17t14//Cpd 8xIdATSv0irwkxF4JeK4/gdaLNjvTZkdKuob+sMzlmf6AmArvAn3sqcKv3jmnTke4xOd WzuA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.203.80 with SMTP id e58mr2335708weo.41.1338331953800; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.25.84 with HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:52:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <038C4D2FC8E64F72B9A022172DE0F706@RedBudAdminPC> References: <038C4D2FC8E64F72B9A022172DE0F706@RedBudAdminPC> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 08:52:33 +1000 Message-ID: From: michael king To: Jim X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Need advice on Tiger Badge Motifs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, the original badges were flash chromed, the repros i have seen all have adull silver finsh.. apparently they are flash chromed but th esurface they are going onto isnt smooth enought to giv the mirror finish. There are some expensive chrome paints ( i dont mean the cheap can ones) that can give that finsh.. but they are in the region of $70 for a small tin.... that said.. cheaper than 3 nice originals. On 30 May 2012 00:09, Jim wrote: > Good morning all! > I have been working on different parts of my car (B382000175) and am > stumped > regarding how to restore, or get restored, my 3 'Sunbeam 260, motifs. The > silver in the lettering appears to be a Bright Silver or chrome, but for > the > life of me, I cannot figure out how to restore these so they look correct. > Any help available? > Thanks in advance. > Jim > B382000175 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 17:42:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7620B2D02D3 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 17:42:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8312A2D03D2 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 17:41:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q4TNdBvf000711; Tue, 29 May 2012 16:42:09 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0225 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622e) id dm0225.4f90dc52.870ed5; Tue, 29 May 2012 16:42:07 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1PxV7PcBGkMgIAAAAC,093361d6eb159d084f433f0815169bad X-Originating-Ip: 67.72.98.46 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.178.131]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Tue, 29 May 2012 23:42:06 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jim'" , Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:42:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <038C4D2FC8E64F72B9A022172DE0F706@RedBudAdminPC> Thread-Index: Ac09pLqFagjXmsNrQw23e2OpwYdr5gATwOOw X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-29_03:2012-05-21,2012-05-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205290307 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Need advice on Tiger Badge Motifs X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jim There are 3 layers on the back of the plastics badges 1 Chrome in the letters and numbers 2 Black background 3 Silver or aluminum color paint sealer If the chrome is good but the rest looks bad - polish the old paint off - paint black then silver. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:10 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Need advice on Tiger Badge Motifs Good morning all! I have been working on different parts of my car (B382000175) and am stumped regarding how to restore, or get restored, my 3 'Sunbeam 260, motifs. The silver in the lettering appears to be a Bright Silver or chrome, but for the life of me, I cannot figure out how to restore these so they look correct. Any help available? Thanks in advance. Jim B382000175 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/5030 - Release Date: 05/29/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 18:29:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2229A2D0446 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 18:29:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012702D03E3 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 18:29:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FxP11j00G1vXlb8510WUp2; Wed, 30 May 2012 00:30:28 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([71.233.107.30]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id G0WT1j00V0fNubr3d0WUaD; Wed, 30 May 2012 00:30:28 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Stu Brennan" To: References: <1338311036.211.YahooMailClassic@web160305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338311036.211.YahooMailClassic@web160305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 20:30:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Mystery - The latest X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just for chuckles I checked the rears, both seem fine. So back to the front. Sound was the first clue. You know that slight scraping noise of pads just touching the disk? Present on the left, absent on the right. Hmmm. The next sound clue was a pop as I forced one of the right side pistons all the way in. A pop? What pops? Then I saw a little fluid dripping onto the floor. Extracted, the pad looked wet. It appears that the diskbs performance was degraded due to lubrication, with my pricey silicon fluid. There must be a very small leak in one of my new (last summer) caliper seals. Not enough to drip when the pedal was depressed, but it slowly filled up the outer boot, and squished out when the piston was forced in. Must have been leaking a bit all winter, dampening the works but not enough to drip down the inside of the tire. I check for that before moving it the first time in the spring. So Ibll be on the phone to Rick as soon as he opens tomorrow. New seals, both sides. So much for driving during British Car week... Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 20:02:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B742D0453 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:02:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261CE2D03AD; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:01:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so8366083pbb.14 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:02:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=F79pEanpwb+WB79kZxhtSjrJ1/M+gPJeCW55QeJsWSI=; b=CFJ75WprdW9WjHyylpo54s/eC0iAFdn3OGrLx//AvAH0wcIP0a4//NeGVF8lNM5RTE 3yfEBCBW8L/5pjViUGRFyXl8pHFHClyG72K4QHDoV6++95/rLfdzDCCnGcOoQdjfXKLM 2yiP7CzJdByPAt9VAetxUFkvwsXprVwyGJF60x+k4ceyA3LXCI+SWklQNOeRtZqOoYF2 OyIs4f3ntxKU78qUy9SKC37vjj7Ceo/921vdu7sEpND2fuM1WezTdG+x+fcLYJSRiDMc znUJ4zd9cIBx1Gt/ROKu/dkMbzeIcFSZ4qBPQaiMqS5ijaYh2LtlKPdMVTky163KkO3m Psng== Received: by 10.68.213.104 with SMTP id nr8mr44231856pbc.26.1338343363761; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.6] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id we10sm12719544pbc.13.2012.05.29.19.02.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 May 2012 19:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Jay Laifman In-Reply-To: <4fc5785f.2af9.0@thecia.net> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:02:39 -0700 Message-Id: <18DFEF00-770C-4FDB-8731-EBC10F25749F@gmail.com> References: <4fc5785f.2af9.0@thecia.net> To: rande@thecia.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: alpines@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine/Tiger photo X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Same car? See bottom of page: http://7191938103.blogspot.com/ On May 29, 2012, at 6:31 PM, rande wrote: > I've known of this photo since college around 1972, but am just asking for help > about it now. > > In some editions of the Bill Owens coffee table book SUBURBIA, the cover photo > is a couple in lawn chairs on their driveway, their son on roller skates next > to them, the garage door is open, and inside is a boat on the left and either > a Tiger or an Alpine on the right. I'm trying to find out if any of our Northern > California folks know either the car or the people and what model Sunbeam it > is. I'll give you all of the information I have so far. > > The California black plate number is UGT 517. > > The license plate dealer frame is from Jay's Auto Imports, in San Leandro, CA > > > The photo also appeared in the Week in Review section of the New York Times, > dated May 18, 1997, and their caption read, "Livermore, Calif. 1970: Savoring > life in the middle class, when it's easier to define." > > The photo credit: Bill Owens (photographer) from the Robert Koch Gallery, San > Francisco > > I found an easy to view image online by Googling images and searching for > 'Bill Owens Suburbia'. > > The car has reverse lights, but I can't make out the area left of the license > plate on the boot/trunk where a 'Sunbeam Tiger' emblem pair might be, and the > area underneath the bumper is too dark to check if the car has 'twice pipes'. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 20:03:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD282D0489 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:03:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A2A2D042C; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:02:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by dakp5 with SMTP id p5so7738494dak.14 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:03:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=t+UlSYYAJQ+Oj2bje9FomQOhz0ryYgEbedQkmM5bVWw=; b=Mhm7qGVez80+0Z/4W5kCGmY4euZZbb2nwghHEMuFWvMryckEWwPCt+Nny8HUE1+3Wz aNVaLHS4r/eixrsu0qJVas5gwgd9jWe8Ult+pQ5KSvbnMIFuwQkSsYa7ECYgzf3zwSzM rcABqp8qZwu3SvwrjOdxNM2pLBjdvwwraank0/bZ0YDCMAskwpOqwg5cgAiC65MA5je9 hAKIzO1ndWCd38OnAOaB2NBIBJ85loOIDv9QtMJpdn4N2fr1x66/g6g7Iitbnuaxkh6c 9izty2XV8W+J2q586Z7/sEJXmUCTsFo2WcPXQlIlWUOnpjKCsBTEvDGDD3Z/aIKo1Ack T4Uw== Received: by 10.68.238.68 with SMTP id vi4mr21682746pbc.123.1338343401381; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.6] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id we10sm12719544pbc.13.2012.05.29.19.03.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 May 2012 19:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Jay Laifman In-Reply-To: <4fc5785f.2af9.0@thecia.net> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:03:19 -0700 Message-Id: <6A4DB727-E99E-414C-BC6F-52D1E4C01EF6@gmail.com> References: <4fc5785f.2af9.0@thecia.net> To: rande@thecia.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: alpines@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine/Tiger photo X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That was stupid. Not even same color!!! MY APOLOGIES! On May 29, 2012, at 6:31 PM, rande wrote: > I've known of this photo since college around 1972, but am just asking for help > about it now. > > In some editions of the Bill Owens coffee table book SUBURBIA, the cover photo > is a couple in lawn chairs on their driveway, their son on roller skates next > to them, the garage door is open, and inside is a boat on the left and either > a Tiger or an Alpine on the right. I'm trying to find out if any of our Northern > California folks know either the car or the people and what model Sunbeam it > is. I'll give you all of the information I have so far. > > The California black plate number is UGT 517. > > The license plate dealer frame is from Jay's Auto Imports, in San Leandro, CA > > > The photo also appeared in the Week in Review section of the New York Times, > dated May 18, 1997, and their caption read, "Livermore, Calif. 1970: Savoring > life in the middle class, when it's easier to define." > > The photo credit: Bill Owens (photographer) from the Robert Koch Gallery, San > Francisco > > I found an easy to view image online by Googling images and searching for > 'Bill Owens Suburbia'. > > The car has reverse lights, but I can't make out the area left of the license > plate on the boot/trunk where a 'Sunbeam Tiger' emblem pair might be, and the > area underneath the bumper is too dark to check if the car has 'twice pipes'. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 20:18:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A2B2D044E for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:18:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AC6922D035B for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:16:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2012 02:17:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.193] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2012 02:17:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2012 02:17:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 173084.4854.bm@omp1002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 70815 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2012 02:17:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338344226; bh=VL0a09SYiKJ96t5Fen0iJoLThLbah9ee+BqAE0HgpLk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H/gcFdT8LItmSH/ZCmynHPkiToIraJ30DPCdnSKmWcrs+YccRm1i+Vn6amh4+2xfVzKxWlkBDbCLsCdaBH4dYOLINwyTg/sCCe/up/Fa6MMcnt9aekWnNP0FWjVqKsJ8TBgygjsMaGGO6nbAsj8jIO9YKITudZDi1fuhZkcQN0k= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=v7ioNZox/0KwiUIk84JVF2RKtNb9e0XtGzVsExQiStPeI0VdHJkUnA4vPRJjwLI1gR1iOevH3ICVK2vR6xm+K8LLXOgIRZAMkDvdSc0HWhdr7tGcYraHhDf4U4S6Wpa7Fflgey6Y0MfIZO60+bm/SGZXZVZX2SwJWKrh0EudqaI=; X-YMail-OSG: l70_kQkVM1lsXRun4aDhk3.waEgYQ1v22CW9sNZDTr6FE2Y rn7niErSEdwc21ErCHMXntTawNy67RshKliNLAeACUOB97I2Xl.kErkPFxuL VrK2dT1Ea3dRSF9ucC0iuw5zfsyQCypuGYS7VsjUVIrKbrqHmifF7j7V.XCS FtroHJ17iaZ4_Wmi6qT.v8ODJHeUUQR8AZVSHGbNDjZGJfPlUv.UjCknENJu oZecwrTsHJjzALbsG9.sQbE3PMYCCa2FCNjoGXqriK2g452lOeF_EAVBxLwe w92s5AEWEDqep0BYZfW2110uDcaAOEj6N0zk1TuAJXapWP_PP48pARAFv8TG VEWn.wpkTmnHsJqO9oVi4L40JTztd5rdWmZXbIeCTCNtf.qyLMMmpj28jTI_ 23sU3WN9471uJALEdqTMq0oNrGfVmso5lCAPJj3Q7c.veL2eHS.BZJ.n1lWc Rt6EvffLGGr9crpF5F0eDrAO8gNFuNEBtGWepoXkaUdoBMuA76xYolTdUaKk ku1MXI_XXqISYxQQ6U4903ctomPpyaMnvb4Dd6w_BjuC_E5Cc Received: from [99.147.66.79] by web161403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:17:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4fc5785f.2af9.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <1338344225.46085.YahooMailNeo@web161403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:17:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Waybright To: "rande@thecia.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <4fc5785f.2af9.0@thecia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "alpines@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine/Tiger photo X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen Waybright List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hard to tell for sure, but from the tail lights seems like a big fin Alpine to me, though with later model over-bumpers??? ________________________________ From: rande To: tigers@autox.team.net Cc: alpines@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:31 PM Subject: [Tigers] Alpine/Tiger photo I've known of this photo since college around 1972, but am just asking for help about it now. In some editions of the Bill Owens coffee table book SUBURBIA, the cover photo is a couple in lawn chairs on their driveway, their son on roller skates next to them, the garage door is open, and inside is a boat on the left and either a Tiger or an Alpine on the right. I'm trying to find out if any of our Northern California folks know either the car or the people and what model Sunbeam it is. I'll give you all of the information I have so far. The California black plate number is UGT 517. The license plate dealer frame is from Jay's Auto Imports, in San Leandro, CA The photo also appeared in the Week in Review section of the New York Times, dated May 18, 1997, and their caption read, "Livermore, Calif. 1970: Savoring life in the middle class, when it's easier to define." The photo credit: Bill Owens (photographer) from the Robert Koch Gallery, San Francisco I found an easy to view image online by Googling images and searching for 'Bill Owens Suburbia'. The car has reverse lights, but I can't make out the area left of the license plate on the boot/trunk where a 'Sunbeam Tiger' emblem pair might be, and the area underneath the bumper is too dark to check if the car has 'twice pipes'. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 20:49:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647822D042E for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:49:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E53D2D03D5 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:45:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm7 with SMTP id m7so3716006yen.14 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:46:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to :thread-index:x-mimeole; bh=3IsJwUi5V/n2EH4XJZIJSsz6dBVXWkapoqPeS7RjmDo=; b=qAhl7eCB50LGMh7wtJSIcsN2ROXl3D1tP7CTKzQOkCMQOOnAWhpbrSRd8F8NoWM8kT BnW1mDn3Q0sPo5p1hBpl/rA8liYxvLcl0fbMF0UejDQn5mNjjlj2Z00ac4yFfjx8+3mm 8JPn62SRsnVokof6xPHLxPxJii0WY4aOmJ79Gwp4mJthxHyb4AkLC1nQmrCSt/PWlTgs RvwfErSMWGH2H4nONvfIHZkmHBJWYLUMvt3ur8W49XB7TXhi5yujyS7JrfBl1YnHvDt6 VdFJV3vj5lYODxx02ZApaLxojnauBBF4eSStwXM5sSPQL86ZAZ9XnNmKCgc2dHqjVmat C/5g== Received: by 10.236.79.6 with SMTP id h6mr13558381yhe.71.1338345996831; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DellD4700 (adsl-184-38-171-171.msy.bellsouth.net. [184.38.171.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i16sm22476646anm.12.2012.05.29.19.46.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 May 2012 19:46:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. C. Tynes" To: , References: <4fc5785f.2af9.0@thecia.net> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 21:46:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4fc5785f.2af9.0@thecia.net> Thread-Index: Ac0+BEC0aLaujyy3Q6qfH7UqNbRHvAACcL4g Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine/Tiger photo X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Rande, I believe it is a Tiger because the single exhaust on an Alpine exited under the left side of the bumper. Only the Tiger had a right side pipe, as I recall. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rande Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:31 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Cc: alpines@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Alpine/Tiger photo I've known of this photo since college around 1972, but am just asking for help about it now. In some editions of the Bill Owens coffee table book SUBURBIA, the cover photo is a couple in lawn chairs on their driveway, their son on roller skates next to them, the garage door is open, and inside is a boat on the left and either a Tiger or an Alpine on the right. I'm trying to find out if any of our Northern California folks know either the car or the people and what model Sunbeam it is. I'll give you all of the information I have so far. The California black plate number is UGT 517. The license plate dealer frame is from Jay's Auto Imports, in San Leandro, CA The photo also appeared in the Week in Review section of the New York Times, dated May 18, 1997, and their caption read, "Livermore, Calif. 1970: Savoring life in the middle class, when it's easier to define." The photo credit: Bill Owens (photographer) from the Robert Koch Gallery, San Francisco I found an easy to view image online by Googling images and searching for 'Bill Owens Suburbia'. The car has reverse lights, but I can't make out the area left of the license plate on the boot/trunk where a 'Sunbeam Tiger' emblem pair might be, and the area underneath the bumper is too dark to check if the car has 'twice pipes'. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 20:54:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8AB2D0424 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:54:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527362D03D5 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so4326318ggm.14 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:54:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to :thread-index:x-mimeole; bh=CvXTADTL1sR/fT9AkChZLyfwDTgb71K1rTxge+u0C2s=; b=ZhJwEq2Qy8TOZTjVkvhzI1nJenX9qpg/Q7CF2CAZHaI0DBWqwGhUtu4C+sWHmrg6zL Oip8j9rzCGZSR4Vu3fvYE6JRYRXWMIuHL1wnAwSDAklxyAcmfq7tn4Vu9nuiDN//uj4n RV2YUMg+TeJerKay37/y17Wo8ktW+uGzIXUaRBtfKpU2BlCQscsF5BbUYL6gvcM9Aegl rooxC9O8HEZA+pxxTZKEk8eOsBJkzfp49fesb1wV3TVk8qiFGIZ0E4Wy9k62wMBGRe2I isJIQt39tU+CsfniP6dIumK9zCiGC1aN6zqGpaGDuJ4Vt7vFt9L9oKmsp+0P9pPdLqLl lxhQ== Received: by 10.236.191.227 with SMTP id g63mr13439590yhn.98.1338346488661; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DellD4700 (adsl-184-38-171-171.msy.bellsouth.net. [184.38.171.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f61sm63827151yhg.14.2012.05.29.19.54.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 May 2012 19:54:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. C. Tynes" To: References: <4fc5785f.2af9.0@thecia.net> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 21:54:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4fc5785f.2af9.0@thecia.net> Thread-Index: Ac0+BEC0aLaujyy3Q6qfH7UqNbRHvAACxr2w Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine/Tiger photo X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Rande, On the other hand, it is probably an Alpine since the right side Tiger pipe is not clearly visible. No wonder you aren't sure. A. C. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rande Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:31 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Cc: alpines@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Alpine/Tiger photo I've known of this photo since college around 1972, but am just asking for help about it now. In some editions of the Bill Owens coffee table book SUBURBIA, the cover photo is a couple in lawn chairs on their driveway, their son on roller skates next to them, the garage door is open, and inside is a boat on the left and either a Tiger or an Alpine on the right. I'm trying to find out if any of our Northern California folks know either the car or the people and what model Sunbeam it is. I'll give you all of the information I have so far. The California black plate number is UGT 517. The license plate dealer frame is from Jay's Auto Imports, in San Leandro, CA The photo also appeared in the Week in Review section of the New York Times, dated May 18, 1997, and their caption read, "Livermore, Calif. 1970: Savoring life in the middle class, when it's easier to define." The photo credit: Bill Owens (photographer) from the Robert Koch Gallery, San Francisco I found an easy to view image online by Googling images and searching for 'Bill Owens Suburbia'. The car has reverse lights, but I can't make out the area left of the license plate on the boot/trunk where a 'Sunbeam Tiger' emblem pair might be, and the area underneath the bumper is too dark to check if the car has 'twice pipes'. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 21:39:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFBC2D0457 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 21:39:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CEDC2D03E1; Tue, 29 May 2012 21:39:07 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=VzE0TFg5WdBFLs8gcsgH/qgGKqXrjeJWvwYraWGLH/8hPgcv5vU6HvoY10Z3ezS4; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.245.28.56] (helo=DIMENSION9200.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SZZlM-00079E-DS; Tue, 29 May 2012 23:39:56 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 20:39:45 -0700 To: rande@thecia.net,tigers@autox.team.net From: "Norman C. Miller" In-Reply-To: <4fc5785f.2af9.0@thecia.net> References: <4fc5785f.2af9.0@thecia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 904d7a9ef3b1ea89d780f4a490ca6956d5d4673fe7faad86d0be8ec1de0a40a15e418b97659a8f88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.245.28.56 Cc: alpines@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine/Tiger photo X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net B382100187 LRXFE Norm At 06:31 PM 5/29/2012, rande wrote: >I've known of this photo since college around 1972, but am just >asking for help >about it now...snip... _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 02:02:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4342D045F for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 02:02:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1A22D040A for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 01:58:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id G7yT1j00217UAYkA27zPfE; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:59:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.91] ([67.164.102.155]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id G7zN1j0013MALtP8Z7zNy1; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:59:22 +0000 Message-ID: <4FC5D358.5070200@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 00:59:20 -0700 From: Tom Hall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tiger e-mail List References: In-Reply-To: X-Forwarded-Message-Id: X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "Patrick King \(S5\)" Subject: [Tigers] TAC- Tigers United X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net We will have Tiger Authentication sessions at Tigers United coming up next month. Anybody wishing to get their Tiger inspected and certified is welcome to join us June 21st to June 24th in Reno, Nevada at the Siena Hotel/Casino. Our plan is to inspect the majority of the cars either during Tech Checks on Thursday check in, and Friday at the Autocross, or on Sunday at the Concours, but we can make arrangements for other times over the event if you contact Pat King (408) 529-8189 ahead of time. More information about the TAC program can be found at: http://www.sunbeamtiger.org/index.php/information/joomla-stuff/tiger-authentication More information about Tigers United can be found at: http://www.sunbeamtiger.org/index.php/component/spidercalendar/?date=2012-06-21&Itemid=111 -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 14:04:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802592D03A5 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:04:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5E22D036B for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:00:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Cobra (173-228-106-127.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.106.127]) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with SMTP id q4UK1AD8011407 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:01:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1BB7D61A1AFD444793010A6BCFFA4D2E@Cobra> From: "csx2282" To: "tigers" Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 13:01:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Girling Master Cylinder Reservoir Moisture Diaphram Source? X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I posted this question to the British-Cars list, but so far not much has come up there. I believe this was discussed on this list a few years back, so I'm hoping one of you has a possible source. These are bellows shaped rubber diaphragms that fit under the reservoir's cap. Dave Bean Engineering used to sell them, but the last time I checked they were on back order. However, that was at least a year ago. I tried e-mailing them from their web site, but I kept getting an error messages when it tried redirected me to a dial-up account I canceled long ago and uninstalled. I'm not sure why it keeps doing this. Out of curiosity do any of you have an e-mail address for Dave Bean? Of course, any source will do. 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Anyone have an idea how much oil the original hoses, filter, and oil coolers would hold? Missing original dipstick and want to make sure oil level is correct. I went with 5 quarts (10 pints) on fill up with filter. Manual says 10 pints for 260 MK1 with original filter and 11.4 for 289 in MK II using original filter, hoses, and coolers. Am I correct to assume the oil lines, filter rig, and coolers hold an additional 1 1/4 quarts of oil? Thank you, Dave Gilmore _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 21:41:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465782D030D for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:41:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6442C0C97 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:41:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q4V3fAb2015521; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:41:57 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0225 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018958b) id dm0225.4f90dc52.8a8e5d; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:41:44 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLJsq1Pxuh4DX6dtAIAAAAC,e9a32d0a140b46113d563d8728e8a274 X-Originating-Ip: 64.24.149.139 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'david gilmore'" , Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 23:41:38 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <1338432023.64738.YahooMailClassic@web181009.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Ac0+1sQ//v5eiCaXSuGbrwbS4EN21AABzfCw X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-31_01:2012-05-21,2012-05-31,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205300365 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MK II oil capacity X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfraser@bluefrog.com List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dave 5 quarts should be just about right. The P3600 oil filter has less capacity than the original oil filter by maybe 1/2 pint. A little extra oil in the system should not hurt anything. I believe 5 quarts is the normal capacity for a Mustang 289 engine with a stock oil pan. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of david gilmore Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:40 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II oil capacity My MKII 289 uses a Fram P3600 spin on filter, not the factory hoses, filter set up or oil coolers. Anyone have an idea how much oil the original hoses, filter, and oil coolers would hold? Missing original dipstick and want to make sure oil level is correct. I went with 5 quarts (10 pints) on fill up with filter. Manual says 10 pints for 260 MK1 with original filter and 11.4 for 289 in MK II using original filter, hoses, and coolers. Am I correct to assume the oil lines, filter rig, and coolers hold an additional 1 1/4 quarts of oil? Thank you, Dave Gilmore _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/5033 - Release Date: 05/30/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 22:41:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15442D02C7 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 22:41:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F8E2D02C8 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 22:39:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GUYl1j0071GXsucA1Ug2pD; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:40:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.91] ([67.164.102.155]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GUg11j00U3MALtP8UUg1Us; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:40:02 +0000 Message-ID: <4FC6F620.4080301@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 21:40:00 -0700 From: Tom Hall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: Subject: [Tigers] Test message X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Test message. Do not respond. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 00:33:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364552D0317 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 00:33:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s31.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s31.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D012D02C7 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 00:33:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU0-P3-EAS30 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s31.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 30 May 2012 23:34:17 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [198.228.214.54] X-Originating-Email: [vesselofgrace@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: Nathan Johnson Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 23:34:13 -0700 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2012 06:34:17.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[6751A2E0:01CD3EF7] Subject: [Tigers] Aftermarket Oil Filter Remote X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm looking to install a oil filter remote setup I bought off of Summit due to putting headers in my Tiger. I get the impression that a lot of people have relocated their filter to the front left wheel well and I was wondering if anyone on the list had some pics of where and how they mounted their remote to better assist me in determining exactly where I should be cutting holes. Thanks, Nathan Johnson _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 00:39:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D2B2D0331 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 00:39:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62DB02D02CA for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 00:39:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so412531wgb.20 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 23:40:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=NP8IvDyAWf+zkOPgJFlYt8spfVpzm9W+K/ih4HCybmQ=; b=YMQGWEw9ee6ofqv/c83lzIW7wSF/5EXlWKR8tmmjLbZsrU3cl7Euym6ErzWK5hI9dj VUnMbWk/R5+a2PwJ56TXzZVy2UTQfjbD7y0AWBC0f6YY+bg/7nOAAwr7RlUjIlKmlQGt PyX8KwxxcT3N8GebsoG2nWzF10XpVkCkKbp3jNvd2NbDpWVm6bJRj4q7YXsXVAFfd/27 23BL5fqXBeE2IfN0Invdv7yrIGDvGkwYsq/Ay65DodFsI6u22qb0iQFN61Zdu/KAoFxr gegywxAFfLhTBmI08uhEZVe0w99VlVCkgWnvq17xBjyO92YngW3rBg64Ez68KjwZZF18 yApQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.213.28 with SMTP id z28mr12903785weo.50.1338446430837; Wed, 30 May 2012 23:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.25.84 with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 23:40:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:40:30 +1000 Message-ID: From: michael king To: Nathan Johnson X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aftermarket Oil Filter Remote X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Front left wheel arch oil filter instal pic: http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2840761250054462410uezWzS On 31 May 2012 16:34, Nathan Johnson wrote: > I'm looking to install a oil filter remote setup I bought off of Summit > due to > putting headers in my Tiger. I get the impression that a lot of people have > relocated their filter to the front left wheel well and I was wondering if > anyone on the list had some pics of where and how they mounted their > remote to > better assist me in determining exactly where I should be cutting holes. > > Thanks, > > Nathan Johnson > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 00:47:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94852D0325 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 00:47:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFB32D02E1 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 00:43:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TerriPC ([unknown] [71.109.100.177]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M4V0016AK26HI50@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 31 May 2012 01:44:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kirk Smith" To: "'Nathan Johnson'" , References: In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 23:44:23 -0700 Message-id: <000301cd3ef8$d10d1740$732745c0$@net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-index: Ac0+92szseBZpQ5yQfuEK5RIItJzsAAATx4A Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aftermarket Oil Filter Remote X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Take a look at this thread on the CAT forum...some pics and ideas: http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?p=6398#post6398 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Nathan Johnson Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:34 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Aftermarket Oil Filter Remote I'm looking to install a oil filter remote setup I bought off of Summit due to putting headers in my Tiger. I get the impression that a lot of people have relocated their filter to the front left wheel well and I was wondering if anyone on the list had some pics of where and how they mounted their remote to better assist me in determining exactly where I should be cutting holes. Thanks, Nathan Johnson _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 01:02:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B912D030F for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 01:02:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from st11p01mm-asmtpout004.mac.com (st11p01mm-asmtpout004.mac.com [17.172.204.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F772D02D9 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 00:56:41 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [10.0.1.20] ([98.234.45.13]) by st11p01mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0M4V00I6PKNTOE90@st11p01mm-asmtp004.mac.com> for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:57:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-31_02:2012-05-21,2012-05-31,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205300421 From: Carlo Bernardino Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 23:57:27 -0700 To: tigers@autox.team.net Message-id: <54A85E14-8B9F-4E07-82D7-A16E9DB91088@me.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Seller Submission: 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Mk 1 For Sale X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://bringatrailer.com/2012/05/30/seller-submission-1965-sunbeam-tiger-mk-1/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 07:11:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECB52D0191 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 07:11:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C7B2D02FC for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 07:10:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo305.cox.net ([68.230.241.173]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120531131141.FGGM29577.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:11:41 -0400 Received: from fed1rmwml205 ([172.18.140.218]) by fed1rmimpo305.cox.net with bizsmtp id GdBh1j00A4iv3b803dBhsl; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:11:41 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4FC76E0D.0110,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-CM-Score: NA Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 72.197.202.104 by webmail.west.cox.net; Thu, 31 May 2012 9:11:41 -0400 Message-ID: <20120531091141.2PZKY.873212.imail@fed1rmwml205> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 6:11:41 -0700 From: To: Nathan Johnson , "tigers@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aftermarket Oil Filter Remote X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Nathan, First check that the block adapter is thin enough to fit behind the headers, Been there bought several until I found a thin one. Dale A. Had one but it was pricey. The stock one fits, but you have to use tubing flare fittings. My filter was installed behind the drivers head light bucket. It bolts to the inner fender panel. The holes for the hoses are just behind the Coolant reservoir, high up, just below the step for the hood. I used ss braided hose and AN fittings. I needed one fitting with a slight angle to clear the steering shaft. I can shoot some pix this weekend. Erich ---- Nathan Johnson wrote: > I'm looking to install a oil filter remote setup I bought off of Summit due to > putting headers in my Tiger. I get the impression that a lot of people have > relocated their filter to the front left wheel well and I was wondering if > anyone on the list had some pics of where and how they mounted their remote to > better assist me in determining exactly where I should be cutting holes. > > Thanks, > > Nathan Johnson > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 08:31:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B972D01AC for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:31:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B406E2D0318 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:30:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4VEVWHZ019868 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:31:33 -0400 Received: from core-mne002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mne002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.107.69]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 45D8DE000099 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:31:33 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vegaslegal@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36255-STANDARD Received: from 70.173.180.117 by webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com (64.12.183.107) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 31 May 2012 10:31:33 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF0D5135F34A44-1B54-354A@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [70.173.180.117] Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:31:33 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1338474693; bh=fme+MoCrX8r+6sf7K+4NuVkXn+xZJyCE7+RhIY53hYo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t+8dhcQ1QohRSJ3yQX6gP1Mug0ZJCt6RkFTpFoVSbmu7rJXgt3PbpA2//6SyotKI6 +iEMrOnMWHrD/PuRfNgBKPfHOPbS9RKGSdJVzxjA8lb0aFsC0RamqCuy+yZqYJyUiM CWhIZrGjHUlOEe6jDiHUdXgtongyEBFbG2zzK83o= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:407319904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29084fc780c520c1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] Convertible Install Warning X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Putting the final touches on a cosmetic restoration and installed the new Robbins top last weekend. If you try this, the wings at the bottom of the front of the quarter-panels do not, I repeat, do not get attached to the body by the two side pieces that appear to be an extension of the rear attachment piece. They float free with the attachment being by the snap and lift-a-dot on the outside body. I made this mistake by reverse engineering what I assumed (and had been told) was the original factory installation on the car where these wings were attached. In retrospect, that explains the torn-up and bent mess that was sitting behind the rear bulkhead. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 10:14:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FABD2D0365 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:14:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm23.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm23.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A3872C0526 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:07:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.61] by nm23.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 16:08:20 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.227] by tm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 16:08:20 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.125] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 16:08:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 16:08:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 978627.95664.bm@omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 83773 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2012 16:08:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pacbell.net; s=s1024; t=1338480499; bh=RkxDXwQE36J6cN/D9kg+6SN9KY1NG2XHZTHzF78fvnI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oRDDL89TMydGxQAx6gYxLlo/WTqXhXm7z0aR78TSvCAaClihbUyHG967N9nc6lSgYRZG7qfZVz/mn1KovlEx/2GaEMNnf66dh+B0ZqckJPxxmLo9TnJ1kD5OxpK5ypvx7yrSK6+8/L0Si9kzxrV7kUumAiT3BJDhzqOySr+9MDk= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mt8F62SzCPtt/rsh5yh/DfNxlI6Y9IPpl9j8Lh1pLnTgPcrz8x5Zug/WS5WOFlsfBhW6CFSm6xt7iFiLd+ghBGvW4k+uGr7dZuwafe2LUHL6/s/Y87Jj5uh/pCzREKps+lZrTXUHefnRj+7UpiTrZjH4jRsb7B543E3ja+EywoU=; X-YMail-OSG: Thg4uUEVM1kyWPwlfBIah9QB6rLWaqCV_gjzHRUT2aO1goH 2QP_rYxUkVxbDYbMZWUbC4nIM6dmTzLxMqbh2xtn0LLyC6sN1yD3UmtNyBY6 3XlUp2YxmIitStaewEfBG2OQZmkallwAifTVESs3OYmjnKALTqf1myo4Wj3T zEpJ_hwI.kYDDf_KbNej8HCnep5q2ex0h0bD9o0.xuFOTVMxVDKzJYnFPJG4 i6xF6GGJwtSzC3LiTaeFl.x4sIM0RBotLtxadbdXGnEg.N12m2j6gjYoOKVg FbntpK5GrX4OJPAI.uBpz.QAho3PNKM6tiY3ZRnrizDvsiWsSE93nPSJDwcv ELgRRJVNIWuia6bxxsdJ3Kvmvm2luVSCZ.n7FP_Hi3PupTw_lSlEtw1IjafT 0a8QHKqQqaetZTN2tTe0x357WkSR6XXaksDzLPa13KgWFJdxW4bN_yChwmD9 n63K6zEz6YgT4gexcO0g1hEOwWLRh5ornWdqkeCwWwaU1yxjmTe9qHKdOSpT vxqON3mt23bYWNPoUiVo0kL6zAFrMU5sX2oMJDAio8QOwGsvd5Lx3NRdVo3q 1F4QY36QGXaiCaXwVHxI1Owk140vJi8YhJb4- Received: from [71.80.161.49] by web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:08:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: Message-ID: <1338480499.53214.YahooMailRC@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:08:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Sandy Ganz To: Nathan Johnson , "tigers@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aftermarket Oil Filter Remote X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Nathan I made one out of a Canton racing filter from a spare out of another car. While it doesn't look old it allows you to changes filters from the TOP and fits nicely on the block for more room. Made the bracket out of a small piece of aluminum that was copied from the head pattern (with a cardboard template). It was really easy with the jig saw. Drill a couple of holes and done. The bracket was a fancy billet one that Canton sells for the filters but they have the band clamps at a much lower price. For the filter adapter I have both the Canton which is a very good part but I suspect it will be too thick as other may have mentioned, but thier is another one that is made that is thiner, off hand can't remember the site but can dig it up. Was a nice billet part, but can't remeber the place as it was one of those names like "Performance Products" or "Competition Products" and it's impossible to find on the web as the name is so generic ;) Here is the link to the work I did, you can also see the adapter on the engine in one of the pics- http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TigerEngine.html Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Nathan Johnson To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Wed, May 30, 2012 11:34:33 PM Subject: [Tigers] Aftermarket Oil Filter Remote I'm looking to install a oil filter remote setup I bought off of Summit due to putting headers in my Tiger. I get the impression that a lot of people have relocated their filter to the front left wheel well and I was wondering if anyone on the list had some pics of where and how they mounted their remote to better assist me in determining exactly where I should be cutting holes. Thanks, Nathan Johnson _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 18:43:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B402D03C7 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:43:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C732C0353 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:14:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q510FOqR029567 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:15:24 -0400 Received: from core-msb001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.129]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9AF05E000086 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:15:24 -0400 (EDT) From: BEAU2EVE@aol.com Message-ID: <686cd.37272bda.3cf9639c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:15:24 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5004 X-Originating-IP: [98.179.167.181] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1338509724; bh=AczidHTL58TP9eWDsV+0jxhdKKczWxHvnQ5r4o75V1E=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Eq9ah7jGpClvo5+Llgb34fePpuOFU2IGRzXgtV1axGmTUygBf4kM/g8Qqti5JS0Bx /1hMfku7KhdOVOKji3l4503lQjOEeF8OQmbLQZXq6IJeuBt3zmDI+UwDOUFk5w7hY6 01XccU0U7jGXpyEtXToTppEThaV70pLCc96yiBY0= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:400334080:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b4fc8099c7bab X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Tigers] master cly X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Guy's I'm about to install new rear wheel cylinders and I was wondering if I should also replace the master cylinder. I'm tired of having to stand on the brake, I was thinking of using the Subaru unit, My stuff is 25 years old and it needs to changed. What's the conscientious ? Beau 64 Tiger _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 19:13:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB8B2D03A8 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 19:13:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: tigers@autox.team.net Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B062D03AE for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:47:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so1065397wgb.20 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:48:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=NViDLWshabxbI3axr2l4nJb10rNxvhVRaA1zhgh9D3E=; b=Zp9kv2ahFXJE84f6FYLSTsv6JX6KA3iFYmOQakfLcRMRjRsmqY4QnlVXYYi9x5DdmM 1ul3UeiEj6I8qCVd2RV53H6RiSuIxb6RJw8SmzJmxmiRxMzmJeTdbq/27m4Bfaw8DPQz SJZEx+VcSuq1zNoVmdgblpViUDElXsq/bVoO3rw6VXPm7Xjhb0dWDCC78CRmooCUtSnb zMuLj02aiwzIz6EnKQp25GS/5ijMXoBzgRZBfxmR/t+xY3Hfr2OAifojl3i+gp0hRArB BKw4H2xvrjU6grDI7cOnOEBeaiY2odJaxyrWAcOOuGvSAebJugmNQOfRiXhQYFTX1AiY xqNw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.199.1 with SMTP id w1mr666942wen.19.1338511714870; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.25.84 with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:48:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <686cd.37272bda.3cf9639c@aol.com> References: <686cd.37272bda.3cf9639c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:48:34 +1000 Message-ID: From: michael king To: BEAU2EVE@aol.com X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] master cly X-BeenThere: tigers@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Sunbeam Tigers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I assume you are saying it requires to much pedal pressure.. so.. are you still running a booster? If not then the rear wheel cylinders and brake M/C are not going to be in the right ratio. If you have no booster you could use the early alpine rear wheel cylinders and M/C and the pedal will be better.. what size subaru one are you looking at? is it a dual or single M/C? On 1 June 2012 10:15, wrote: > Guy's I'm about to install new rear wheel cylinders and I was wondering if > I should also replace the master cylinder. I'm tired of having to stand on > the brake, I was thinking of using the Subaru unit, My stuff is 25 years > old and it needs to changed. What's the conscientious ? > > > Beau 64 Tiger > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net