From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 1 08:36:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39E22D073F for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 08:36:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87072D029E for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 07:30:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1C0AE1C000063 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqc004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.161.141]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6FE4DE00008B for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:32:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:32:06 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1351776727; bh=SEfGl77AOhyjEKyc3Gtvv5O1XwXpQCwM9Vn5i9Xd0y4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lOnRjpZSYJiqk4Z/W0X16Kdn13UiCcdqtSbCYxsnVz3i6r9HoZ7NgBp4cu7D6CYOa j34FVRJrVfJWXeASP3b+fVWvkxrHl4Z1GdA7QReA3tPBc3q8tF+N4Dw2QUlpRYt2RI TEvtUOjjkYXzI4kCo6Ld2bo5PVqEVcxCoeW+gS9g= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d509279d63ba5 Subject: [Tigers] Goodbye Mr. Fitch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Please see: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/sports/autoracing/john-cooper-fitch-glamor ous-racer-with-a-flair-for-danger-dies-at-95.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&ref=obit uaries _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 1 10:06:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208482D0823 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:06:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF1C2D061B for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:17:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id qA1FIuFl004140 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:18:56 -0400 Received: from core-mld004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mld004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.122.82]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 06130E000087; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:18:56 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:18:55 -0400 (EDT) To: Rollright@aol.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1351783136; bh=RRXHAsXBiT/79NiXidZ0qvzs0dTp0j07Lw4V32iJ48Q=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=A2h7pW1o8m8ykxKtFJcJVJHZNrHD9xQwxw3f7IruMworMe0mw+LHtticXSU8C5mHq FZOZxFC0LKGkxMVcs9u8ZBd1pY3SfOnz9KsqTX43yTngH9MARApdCL/3t6OnK5jSwG XWg7Xu75VDBZ7oTUKHXmOIE0FNSYNwTwLOLLA/Aw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2908509292e00770 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Goodbye Mr. Fitch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you for posting. What an amazing guy. In a message dated 11/1/2012 10:37:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Rollright@aol.com writes: Please see: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/sports/autoracing/john-cooper-fitch-glamor ous-racer-with-a-flair-for-danger-dies-at-95.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&ref=obit uaries _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 1 11:21:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B49D2D077D for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:21:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763942D070C for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gg0-f169.google.com with SMTP id i1so547037ggm.14 for ; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:32:18 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to :thread-index:x-mimeole; bh=AUj/SBuwJld5D8Z+vcd5W8uWKoTodNX1dyjBqWpC2SI=; b=QnJ3fqMnLu/TiwwK8L5dpzFmQ9pN/dNCAng45jMpM76aWWFXwrqU2lOkl+z2t1CLzn lx0bMZnZQKr1eR6iK/GDVr3tRG77/B3bEyTxEY9GrRdHg0oS3K3KoaFRFdMBhSaScahX K/bC+vkb+CBPheIC3HhWneq8p+6qt5zzl4QaG6rDiMcu1lbVN8+8bb/pAfHk5dNF2+D5 XOvlJJRsrsMWWGGLJneRzD/YFc0LbS9TqozlgQO2pKUj2rMng6ef+uQ6G19YXVYtkS2X kN3kBG+e0ulb4/N8uix24m1jfdpR5X75xnnKgQKxvea+Hlui8tDN3RUPBLFJMj63tP1z p2fQ== Received: by 10.236.134.18 with SMTP id r18mr39977920yhi.45.1351787538066; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DellD4700 (adsl-184-38-217-193.msy.bellsouth.net. [184.38.217.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f15sm7156318yhi.11.2012.11.01.09.32.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:32:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. C. Tynes" To: , References: <8f2b.4bbdde51.3dc3d3d6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:32:32 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac24Pm/9GN9RP6veRMenEP2cUtuklQAD3u8g Subject: Re: [Tigers] Goodbye Mr. Fitch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net He was on my short list of people with whom I would have loved to have dinner and a conversation. Thanks for letting us know. I doubt it would have ever made our now three-days-a-week newspaper in New Orleans. A. C. Tynes -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:32 AM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Goodbye Mr. Fitch Please see: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/sports/autoracing/john-cooper-fitch-glamor ous-racer-with-a-flair-for-danger-dies-at-95.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&ref=obit uaries _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 1 20:49:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E9E2D08AA for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 20:49:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7FD2D03AE for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 19:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 21:56:15 -0400 From: "rande" To: twojohnsons@cox.net Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 21:56:15 -0400 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] John Fitch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I haven't gotten to the NY Times obit, but Autoweek wrote a wonderful tribute to him yesterday. You may go directly to their site, or follow the account of his life on Wikipedia.org and look for the link at the bottom of the page. I learned about his passing from the press office of Lime Rock Park, along with the passing of former Alfa and SAAB dealer and fellow race driver Gaston Andrey, yesterday morning. For those of you who thought he couldn't still be around the last 10 years, as was reported, he was a fixture at Lime Rock every Labor Day Weekend for the Fall Vintage classic, and invariably he brought his Corvair-powered Fitch Phoenix with him each year, up until at least 2010. Some of you will remember recently that Automodello(sp) recently made 1/43 scale models of both the Fitch Sprint Corvair as well as the dark chocolate-colored Fitch Phoenix. Also, the Hemmings magazine Classic Car published a recent drive report and restoration of a 1965 Fitch Sprint Corvair, which someone brought down to Fitch's home in Falls Village to show John. If I had known that a few of you wanted to talk to him, I could have tipped you off to his appearances earlier. He certainly would have been up for that, and I know you would have really enjoyed talking to him. He was a very approachable guy. I should make clear that I, like the rest of you, was not a personal friend of his, just a fan who grew up reading about him and his Sprint and Phoenix cars. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 2 11:49:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC622D06C0 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 11:49:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from edge1.usi.edu (edge1.usi.edu [208.96.146.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08BE2D0623 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:24:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EX1.usi.edu (10.12.10.125) by edge1.usi.edu (192.168.51.115) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 11:24:28 -0500 Received: from ex2.usi.edu ([10.12.10.225]) by ex1.usi.edu ([10.12.10.125]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 11:24:39 -0500 From: "Schonberger, Barry K" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: John Fitch Thread-Index: AQHNuRaNkoPFVYR2SUmhirUijijKdQ== Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 16:24:38 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.12.10.13] Subject: Re: [Tigers] John Fitch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/sports/autoracing/john-cooper-fitch-glamoro us-racer-with-a-flair-for-danger-dies-at-95.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 Try this one now ________________________________________ From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] on behalf of tigers-request@autox.team.net [tigers-request@autox.team.net] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:00 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 339 Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Goodbye Mr. Fitch (Rollright@aol.com) 2. Re: Goodbye Mr. Fitch (CoolVT@aol.com) 3. Re: Goodbye Mr. Fitch (A. C. Tynes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:32:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Goodbye Mr. Fitch Please see: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/sports/autoracing/john-cooper-fitch-glamor ous-racer-with-a-flair-for-danger-dies-at-95.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&ref=obit uaries ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:18:55 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com To: Rollright@aol.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Goodbye Mr. Fitch Thank you for posting. What an amazing guy. In a message dated 11/1/2012 10:37:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Rollright@aol.com writes: Please see: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/sports/autoracing/john-cooper-fitch-glamor ous-racer-with-a-flair-for-danger-dies-at-95.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&ref=obit uaries _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:32:32 -0500 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: , Subject: Re: [Tigers] Goodbye Mr. Fitch He was on my short list of people with whom I would have loved to have dinner and a conversation. Thanks for letting us know. I doubt it would have ever made our now three-days-a-week newspaper in New Orleans. A. C. Tynes -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:32 AM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Goodbye Mr. Fitch Please see: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/sports/autoracing/john-cooper-fitch-glamor ous-racer-with-a-flair-for-danger-dies-at-95.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&ref=obit uaries _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker@gmail.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tigers mailing list Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers End of Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 339 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 2 16:05:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95DD2D053D for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 16:05:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8582D031B for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 14:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0825838000040 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 16:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqc004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.161.141]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CEC5FE000082 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 16:29:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 16:29:22 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1351888162; bh=w9/jO3JoHKYX436TvDSAlk/hXYtkCUMD5vyIEX2CJCI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PyLprhNRzu845dzEwPBQcXS2a8tTTE32Eg9FHA2/9kOf/XE9WCGkiZha+ay3R14et uGiWV6FQPSBAaKjK2FuLqn00+tMQHvnHRpXgETnuSiaCtQSc0UToN1wbJYlK2ZXKvx VijMokeYxb3OT08vf4xCdoavkRDEKBD3zQ900vSY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a50942d221a79 Subject: [Tigers] certain 'Lift-the-Dot' stud problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, The Lift-the-Dot (now to be referred to as LtD) stud, just behind the door on the U.S. near the soft top hinge, has widened the anchoring sheet-metal to the point where it won't stay in the bodywork, even with a new stud with fresh threads. I'd sure like to fix this, and I've even tried Gorilla Glue. GG worked initially with the top's female snap, but the tonneau did it right in. So, how do I fix this situation? I've been told there is almost no way to get a goober of JB Weld or the like to the bottom of the machine screw threads, as access is nearly impossible. Tod Brown tells me his has the same problem, so if he and I have the same issue, I'll bet it is really common. I thought of putting a LtD with a bolt on the bottom, but then you get into the access thing again, trying to get the nut on the bottom of the bolt. HELP ! Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 2 16:08:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629AC2D0756 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 16:08:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DEA42D0353 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 14:50:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id qA2Kpjdl023572; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 16:51:45 -0400 Received: from core-mtc004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.235.13]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 48CBEE000087; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 16:51:45 -0400 (EDT) From: MACHWIL@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 16:51:45 -0400 (EDT) To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1351889505; bh=GhEZ3dQw7SUwH3pBcla5/mveVokt2zLSQcw2a1jd81Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=l29O9qr10aOPc2Hv0KrkQo5NTWPWiNXts1EU3D9ffpFOl60+VOV79ddrVBlJJ37fh 5HTwpky30cJLIMp7cUd6MfHxiI0ce12PbIU82DTtXQIdykpAEL3/kRLs6kwb48HTBO JQG9+nI4oy7L+vih2/XKu+u+tvEi0MnniHgF4I5s= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb509432615eb6 Subject: Re: [Tigers] web site. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ron, Is the web site down? Haven't had any action for several days. Bud Williams (00490) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 2 17:54:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B652D0792 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:54:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DB42D0644 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 16:18:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail176-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.251) by VA3EHSOBE012.bigfish.com (10.7.40.62) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 22:20:04 +0000 Received: from mail176-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail176-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACBF4A013F; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 22:20:04 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail176-va3: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail176-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail176-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1351894801407985_14496; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 22:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS009.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.236]) by mail176-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DEE480086; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 22:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by VA3EHSMHS009.bigfish.com (10.7.99.19) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 22:19:59 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.180) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:20:28 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.3.116]) by OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.180]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:19:57 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "MACHWIL@aol.com" , "rfraser@bluefrog.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] web site. Thread-Index: AQHNuUa3adzc8AR4fEq9Xzz0WMSbf5fXHUQg Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 22:19:57 +0000 References: <7002.5cb02fca.3dc58c61@aol.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.4.6] Subject: Re: [Tigers] web site. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Bud, Depends on what you're talking about, I guess. The team.net mailing list is alive; but www.tigersunited.com is currently unavailable - I'm guessing that has to do with the mess on the East coast, since that's near the area where the hosting site is. Best regards, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MACHWIL@aol.com > Sent: November 2, 2012 2:52 PM > To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] web site. > > Ron, > > Is the web site down? 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Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 2 17:55:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CF22D09AD for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:55:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm17.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm17.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691BC2D03C7 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 16:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2012 22:54:37 -0000 Received: from [67.195.15.63] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2012 22:54:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2012 22:54:37 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351896877; bh=+TMIMJcJIqP9ofzfR/1quu26Awgtbp28jG8Dph0JAD4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=0uPHtEb2YjQzniV1OEP0G6ySwss/ljbPQgp/eSX0Lr7GU3+6ZipvIlnWeV9oNDWW0X0sWr289F8VgGWRChDWehT69doqQybn5eVOtjg9926PYecWUUC8id1sQGB0kmkp9WZUvUXb+khW5kL3gVlqNMPtShvUadyjgztcwih+8lc= VM9YljCcbGZEPT7FRuURArLnoKiBUdoK9fOwI36ZH7695U9RHWakmGUv5Y99 .dMPCDvBJRGWkFp.ovpHOto7YhRf9ozmppoY2II0wKsLR57aq4DxF7RbJ8zM S__BBPxHJzxXKzFa9AEg6TZMWAqfB_E5vUkhnEna_XZhuT3LnCbWxJ0ZD9Nw gGWVOl5d0GHZ4544ZwZRCZpRAROpYDCbFxP0Lbi0.wgr2hjU0vC8FOWs29NG YCwpHYHf4Balmpu05meAKtFQTGUprYjYrptizkVsTLNqrVwmWvhUPhgd1BpD RXOqMAYXJ3qb4O.yu9Kmuu1FBrBTr7jUykx37T_7.REASIjNFgE6bexbxARf lTEpKK4RWQDMVEkrjKqQgfix.2jPSycJ073UlaThrW8iO_7HOGahr4sZUBQw s9ArwZLX6EUjewLIzjPi.t.Xz0gl8B5TNqZdqRg-- Received: from RossPC (ross_hulse@108.199.135.20 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Nov 2012 15:54:37 -0700 PDT From: "Ross Hulse" To: References: <7efb.b841f2c.3dc58722@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 15:54:35 -0700 Thread-Index: AQK22FSK/KuNeDAvzYUust+DteTHaJYE5l8A Content-Language: en-us Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] certain 'Lift-the-Dot' stud problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This fix is relative easy. Access is gained by removing the upholstery covering the rear wheel well in the package area behind the seat. A triangular opening about 4 inches down from the top of the outside allows easy access to this LtD. Use a tinnaman nut under the stud...problem fixed forever. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Subject: [Tigers] certain 'Lift-the-Dot' stud problem Hello, The Lift-the-Dot (now to be referred to as LtD) stud, just behind the door on the U.S. near the soft top hinge, has widened the anchoring sheet-metal to the point where it won't stay in the bodywork, even with a new stud with fresh threads. I'd sure like to fix this, and I've even tried Gorilla Glue. GG worked initially with the top's female snap, but the tonneau did it right in. So, how do I fix this situation? I've been told there is almost no way to get a goober of JB Weld or the like to the bottom of the machine screw threads, as access is nearly impossible. Tod Brown tells me his has the same problem, so if he and I have the same issue, I'll bet it is really common. I thought of putting a LtD with a bolt on the bottom, but then you get into the access thing again, trying to get the nut on the bottom of the bolt. HELP ! Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 2 19:02:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4732F2D07C4 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 19:02:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm40-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm40-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672D52D04A5 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:24:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2012 23:25:27 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.160] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2012 23:25:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1061.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2012 23:25:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 50674 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Nov 2012 23:25:27 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351898727; bh=OpCU34Dl37BVU7gmeXztbLXV0ZGdq/wcBFf7N4ACE28=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=czoL2LoBuHMkNvqKsCIeWYC0JCGGAZPQudkveAE8VHOrMWOalfmQLvoBJ4q5TiBkh36AQiV4Ya8xA0RZF4IUA4wAPkFysuHbdd005/P7hKWofkk6eYnUnTu5y5kSV1177Wl7wReTZcoaUDTX3qecJnKHarPsm44qNBz46MLHC4s= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JRkbe979gxSSiqMvGv9WeitFlhK1Pr0JYgG3ys+fBv5m7DDFm50m3cwAd8Uwq+szRag9ELn3n1QqmY9X/u55zK1e58nxIkGVXnEkf8rFRLjpwCcPQIeSr0YEV8FGSrETctiO5jQyJ63fiJljHp+4m1Y7tIqNb04tz/40ZPVprys=; rHVNIblICldkjISauW9AJDhBk.Xz2.YOrAq9XOoy37NcWAUlmv2ovM28pQB5 5ZeXkdRKA4mnisX18xVJsLQ0H_WxxtVw8o5GiNVVn82bjQz5qNhCW9BK8.um 1qSey0v5jL6aq.nOyWOQ_5v0stH_5etmjjIGXDuSq6QwYONcpQyQuDgLvK.3 2NbHze5.PMgLAqM199Fx6imzGFavaEcPOmXgtctd6cAE_d_47dnEAE3jOtIn 3aHh.AkOJhnhqoM9MOjHbx_Ty_V8TCf_qqxefg9GTPxxaxwfZ7nQ.0IkQJEr HS7Olt.nFajNju6IwVbKr7F5jGUeDSPgkQsQA9U0P3d9vcOjwDYawvL3hg_i zfOPVaiTRsf3Z5KnBFpVxoGdQXHTcTTUPiSUMdP_2yylbDYEFrloa2UGtoo. xuX5BMpk._9jW5fN31OTVJ._uFuwa4HxAWeFMrzKqn.TtxYens5uWpPq8ty_ FnEXbVDOwfgYAD2.blAtrJb3MyyDmBSImzZnbXRYGWtL0sgTJ4CU8FRRweCm XveUtE0jSf2jDKFo9aaGtUGgyy2nJGKKgQ..9oZVeiKvnptoisNFdrzTYx13 BxYpsZ4s1ii3rmvBxn0Y9C6aQ57V64ngCTXZKD3NddNsC8zz9ZnQQN2GjpKM NJYx.hs7U.I5hICSkZu0- Received: from [199.46.200.232] by web124701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:25:27 PDT SmltLA0KwqANClJpY2sgYXQgU3VuYmVhbSBTcGVjaWFsdGllcyBzZWxscyAxMC0zMiB0aHJlYWRlZCBsaWZ0IGRvdHMgZm9yIGEgbnV0IChhbmQgd2FzaGVyIGlmIG5lZWRlZClvbiB0aGUgdW5kZXJzaWRlLCBwYXJ0ICNBVDczLiBJdCBpcyBoYXJkIHRvIGdldCB0aGUgbnV0IG9uLCBpZiBJIHJlY2FsbCBjb3JyZWN0bHkuIEkgbWF5IGhhdmUgdXNlIGEgbWFnbmV0IHRvIGdldCBpdCB1cCBpbnNpZGUgdG8gZ2V0IGl0IHN0YXJ0ZWQuIEl0J3MgYmVlbiA2IHllYXIsIHNvIEkgbWF5IGJlIG1pc3Rha2VuLiBZb3UBMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 16:25:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary To: Rollright@aol.com Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] certain 'Lift-the-Dot' stud problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, Rick at Sunbeam Specialties sells 10-32 threaded lift dots for a nut (and washer if needed)on the underside, part #AT73. It is hard to get the nut on, if I recall correctly. I may have use a magnet to get it up inside to get it started. It's been 6 year, so I may be mistaken. You have to remove the pork chop interior side panel to get to the access hole in front of the rear wheel hump. I had to use a couple of those threaded lift dots on my Tiger. Gary --- On Fri, 11/2/12, Rollright@aol.com wrote: From: Rollright@aol.com Subject: [Tigers] certain 'Lift-the-Dot' stud problem To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 1:29 PM Hello, The Lift-the-Dot (now to be referred to as LtD) stud, just behind the door on the U.S. near the soft top hinge, has widened the anchoring sheet-metal to the point where it won't stay in the bodywork, even with a new stud with fresh threads. I'd sure like to fix this, and I've even tried Gorilla Glue. GG worked initially with the top's female snap, but the tonneau did it right in. So, how do I fix this situation? I've been told there is almost no way to get a goober of JB Weld or the like to the bottom of the machine screw threads, as access is nearly impossible. Tod Brown tells me his has the same problem, so if he and I have the same issue, I'll bet it is really common. I thought of putting a LtD with a bolt on the bottom, but then you get into the access thing again, trying to get the nut on the bottom of the bolt. HELP ! Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/maliburevue@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 2 21:44:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14302D0792 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 21:44:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80DD2D047B for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 20:46:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Jp8Q1k0010QkzPwACqnfF4; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 02:47:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.91] ([67.164.102.155]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Jqne1k00A3MALtP8NqneeX; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 02:47:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 19:47:43 -0700 From: Tom Hall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121005 Thunderbird/16.0 To: Rollright@aol.com References: <7efb.b841f2c.3dc58722@aol.com> Cc: Tiger e-mail List Subject: [Tigers] 'Lift-the-Dot' stud problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If you guys haven't used Riv-nuts yet this is the perfect opportunity. I know that it's not OEM "stock", but it fixes the problem. The studs are available in the 8-32 version and with practice and care (not to over squeeze the tool) the Riv-nut makes a fool-proof repair that is much stronger than the sheetmetal version. I'd send a pic, but the list would strip it. On 11/2/2012 1:29 PM, Rollright@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > The Lift-the-Dot (now to be referred to as LtD) stud, just behind the door > on the U.S. near the soft top hinge, has widened the anchoring sheet-metal > to the point where it won't stay in the bodywork, even with a new stud with > fresh threads. > > I'd sure like to fix this, and I've even tried Gorilla Glue. GG > worked initially with the top's female snap, but the tonneau did it right in. > > So, how do I fix this situation? I've been told there is almost no way > to get a goober of JB Weld or the like to the bottom of the machine screw > threads, as access is nearly impossible. > > Tod Brown tells me his has the same problem, so if he and I have the > same issue, I'll bet it is really common. > > I thought of putting a LtD with a bolt on the bottom, but then you get > into the access thing again, trying to get the nut on the bottom of the > bolt. > > HELP ! > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/modtiger@comcast.net > > > -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 2 23:49:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69362D07A0 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:49:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A394C2D03A9 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 22:15:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id fl17so5468817vcb.14 for ; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 21:17:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0p1w+ajppx/V+9Lal27QJUEJcJC8lbG+Yu77TlFrNSQ=; b=WBp/vGlQHovge6Vo84OJpUdI8n2IKZjcO42k3JdcS3BKaMM+An6YxdIkZ5BtgFEQ5S PyXHX/WsGBvFpv2Qwa+66w95joUZZ05LbXV69vd7xs4mBg0J7JD/6C+6u7yXvZMmTe+b EiPla69TCgnuf5xE566Cmtl8PDF84l9/rpPl2vDXYShvTvvfKn3HZyUSg8G4f5na1gEX QfZ+uwI7el7kjZwSYRbHFuskcNYbQhoWGWg9NBdkonQaKd3IBS0VdFY2aLLrfdwX9SXG mSbZFIvUU/+k7DHfVCu1xMGR0mvFREjQsUX7XoI+tGWroQn1fM8dcnL2718zUshCN7jn 8Z0w== Received: by 10.58.133.3 with SMTP id oy3mr3949608veb.15.1351916226970; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 21:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.8.8 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 21:17:06 -0700 (PDT) References: <7efb.b841f2c.3dc58722@aol.com> <509485CF.1060508@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 00:17:06 -0400 From: Alexander Washick To: Tom Hall Cc: Rollright@aol.com, Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'Lift-the-Dot' stud problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tom is right!! I have used these for many years in business and on cars. If you have a hole with no threads and no easy access to the back this your answer. Saved me many of times on the job. It works kind of like a rivet but with threads in the center. Marson is the most popular make and I think they use the term Grip-Serts. Sizes 6/32 -3/8 and they come in a kit and you if don't do much work, maybe you could borrow the tool. Al On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Tom Hall wrote: > If you guys haven't used Riv-nuts yet this is the perfect opportunity. I > know that it's not OEM "stock", but it fixes the problem. The studs are > available in the 8-32 version and with practice and care (not to over > squeeze the tool) the Riv-nut makes a fool-proof repair that is much > stronger than the sheetmetal version. I'd send a pic, but the list would > strip it. > > > > On 11/2/2012 1:29 PM, Rollright@aol.com wrote: > >> Hello, >> The Lift-the-Dot (now to be referred to as LtD) stud, just behind the >> door >> on the U.S. near the soft top hinge, has widened the anchoring sheet-metal >> to the point where it won't stay in the bodywork, even with a new stud >> with >> fresh threads. >> I'd sure like to fix this, and I've even tried Gorilla Glue. GG >> worked initially with the top's female snap, but the tonneau did it >> right in. >> So, how do I fix this situation? I've been told there is almost >> no way >> to get a goober of JB Weld or the like to the bottom of the machine screw >> threads, as access is nearly impossible. >> Tod Brown tells me his has the same problem, so if he and I have >> the >> same issue, I'll bet it is really common. >> I thought of putting a LtD with a bolt on the bottom, but then >> you get >> into the access thing again, trying to get the nut on the bottom of the >> bolt. >> HELP ! >> Jim Armstrong >> Mk 1A >> 382002083 >> LRXFE >> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/modtiger@** >> comcast.net >> >> >> >> > > -- > Tom Hall > ModTiger Engineering LLC > www.tigerengineering.net > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/alw6464@gmail. > **com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 02:42:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB142D03C0 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 02:42:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8331B2D0222 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 01:28:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2012 07:29:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.210] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2012 07:29:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2012 07:29:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 87924 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2012 07:29:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351927790; bh=CLTbjzo/muQJ6z7yeYhE3wLayiIUVXoBg+oUMZ8Yn+o=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V40UVXIwRFBgwalQbPuvnHB7ps1KBdBsFQ6xRGTGGjEcorxZJcVzo8EbyjUgH/l1UEfncyMo8PSKoyY/nI1Iev3q6wYC2/IabAjwtDY8kbJ3V23bHwV8KTXazv58dg6pcJdTCnY3eRFciGO5yRHE7rQuSTHnNsTAyiVfTPtwa4U= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EXQvgP7h2PJXYidFDTDxudx0i4d0VXgRgiJMZFVGOPt2/xwqUTiE+uJlFgxxHx90zD9H06kF5r7w/Ft2i5OOKY/HOsWOKE1P1gYNfXAY4/MGVcSuQOIsPUK2JwC4WWEFpTOg0i8QYnq2BBfKRYCEBJeUKlly7PseP+T4JgZ+BbQ=; mn1qM71YTt6ngNLbWRsUPaIqxnQUh4IJvHo.6cPtWcPXc3eGUU1I6ciuNi1d t.njKOw8EPEQOXveSWZ9SX1VYneSgpv2dX_90bRBBonhTev.j5Rxh_5Jkr3F R4mzdUHcxcYRa9mc2boUl_MIxbYOk9Oa4tsgz6McdNxeCqXCgnyPHW6nEbAZ rvr1QmpoCsVHQ0Aj2NXhU7dcbxxXMnm86X4xzlt9LRpT9FQg3TnHl1B6_VnF 4AVc05jBIV8zvHh_KsZO16fFRr_eRwjoDmvI5CcCxksXezLcxNgQUKRR5kgG Vy6cX96ldSLfqfaxyOAahU9QAr8uHmyq8TWlM4A4UEGaXml2oeWaw4MLTISU xOEADhDBWWcZUXk15NvOOgDxnTtTAXyHgYWndq7t18NuqH2lmhO1hHQvqqJ3 sxYQaVagPHZ3Ga3IsUMLUBsIn9qswD4zAK7Cpy.r0qUQ8jYKzPqsc9xS47NC TW2n55YHR4jOVz1GrAjQ0F49applee7s1FzxWfEO_SPSBzkf9.6k0.DOwI_g Yb_DRSJcEnZnTKRyT_aV3eyy1Jorz6yFnliFQ01KUmOMZhYMkVJM2dJA9Re3 9sgfIK5iksE_hDC7bcTNzxv3E8KgXMQn8kQvtzJCQp1JIy.EQxuJqOA-- Received: from [63.142.116.58] by web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:29:50 PDT SSBoYXZlIHR3byBob2xlIGluIG5lZWQgbm93IGFuZCB0aGF0IHcvb3V0IGNoZWNraW5nIG15IEFscGluZXMgb3IgdW5yZXN0b3JlZCBUaWdlcnMsIHNvIEkgd2FudCB0byBidXkgdGhlIHRvb2wgYW5kIGluc2VydHMtIHdvdWxkIFRvbiBvciBBbCBwb3N0IGluZm9ybWF0aW9uIG9uIHdoZXJlIHRvIG9yZGVyIGZyb20_IEFORCBUaGFua3MgaW4gYWR2YW5jZSEKVHRUCgpUb255IExhbmcgKFR0VCkKCgo.X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KPiBGcm9tOiBBbGV4YW5kZXIgV2FzaGljayA8YWwBMAEBAQE- References: <7efb.b841f2c.3dc58722@aol.com> <509485CF.1060508@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 00:29:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Somebody To: Alexander Washick , Tom Hall Cc: "Rollright@aol.com" , Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'Lift-the-Dot' stud problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have two hole in need now and that w/out checking my Alpines or unrestored Tigers, so I want to buy the tool and inserts- would Ton or Al post information on where to order from? AND Thanks in advance! TtT Tony Lang (TtT) >________________________________ > From: Alexander Washick >To: Tom Hall >Cc: Rollright@aol.com; Tiger e-mail List >Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 11:17 PM >Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'Lift-the-Dot' stud problem > >Tom is right!! I have used these for many years in business and on cars. >If you have a hole with no threads and no easy access to the back this >your answer. Saved me many of times on the job. It works kind of like a >rivet but with threads in the center. Marson is the most popular make and I >think they use the term Grip-Serts. Sizes 6/32 -3/8 and they come in a kit >and you if don't do much work, maybe you could borrow the tool. Al > >On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Tom Hall wrote: > >> If you guys haven't used Riv-nuts yet this is the perfect opportunity. I >> know that it's not OEM "stock", but it fixes the problem. The studs are >> available in the 8-32 version and with practice and care (not to over >> squeeze the tool) the Riv-nut makes a fool-proof repair that is much >> stronger than the sheetmetal version. I'd send a pic, but the list would >> strip it. >> >> >> >> On 11/2/2012 1:29 PM, Rollright@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> The Lift-the-Dot (now to be referred to as LtD) stud, just behind the >>> door >>> on the U.S. near the soft top hinge, has widened the anchoring sheet-metal >>> to the point where it won't stay in the bodywork, even with a new stud >>> with >>> fresh threads. >>> I'd sure like to fix this, and I've even tried Gorilla Glue. GG >>> worked initially with the top's female snap, but the tonneau did it >>> right in. >>> So, how do I fix this situation? I've been told there is almost >>> no way >>> to get a goober of JB Weld or the like to the bottom of the machine screw >>> threads, as access is nearly impossible. >>> Tod Brown tells me his has the same problem, so if he and I have >>> the >>> same issue, I'll bet it is really common. >>> I thought of putting a LtD with a bolt on the bottom, but then >>> you get >>> into the access thing again, trying to get the nut on the bottom of the >>> bolt. >>> HELP ! >>> Jim Armstrong >>> Mk 1A >>> 382002083 >>> LRXFE >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> >>> tigers@autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/modtiger@** >>> comcast.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tom Hall >> ModTiger Engineering LLC >> www.tigerengineering.net >> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: >> Archive: >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/alw6464@gmail. >> **com >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 11:40:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B818E2D03AB for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 11:40:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353972D032D for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 09:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id t2so2282872qcq.14 for ; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 08:40:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=oEULEstcNm38zvapjfgXCFIdZgGW/CS5zLUNPuvNuqE=; b=D2tlxS/Ok8rIYFrz9Fl9fqEQ38ayd7x5sPMHD1aTtAOOckyhKyttsMSM/34sfTCAKv rOV3iX5ker10/tBr8a8t25UhfBcntgV6M+TJxhwJZYdYVC4ANZGgMUGtmWkcH/llI+U6 tcuRfzBt1t8XrgkA9AT5Mkvjdx/ZFA/EZn0Isi59A7K9yE5Wxi3sLUvtH/oKJtwFwi9m V+l04xPcUlEwo//1mEZwzvXXQfPlhhEhnlfkYqH04y07mTjjx/kPonv7gxgsr81+0c/U pfCHgf1MhkQgWhF9c+n1Esv9aaqYwuuqxeu+nJfXzqJcgNMWqYaycziWPvOZftSG0VTB lY8Q== Received: by 10.49.60.72 with SMTP id f8mr8224189qer.30.1351957209010; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 08:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.63.197 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 08:40:08 -0700 (PDT) References: <7efb.b841f2c.3dc58722@aol.com> <509485CF.1060508@comcast.net> <1351927790.83456.YahooMailNeo@web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 11:40:08 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: Tony Somebody Cc: "Rollright@aol.com" , Tiger e-mail List Subject: [Tigers] 'Lift-the-Dot' stud problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi tony. I bought a cheap tool for about $30 from eBay user dntwn73. Search for rivnut tool. It came with a few rivnuts and you can order more (better quality) ones from mcmaster. Does the job. I'm not a fan of them unless it's absolutely necessary though as they are not that strong and can occasional spin if someone overtightens the screw. Good for light attachments to sheet steel/aluminium or fibreglass though. On Saturday, November 3, 2012, Tony Somebody wrote: > I have two hole in need now and that w/out checking my Alpines or > unrestored > Tigers, so I want to buy the tool and inserts- would Ton or Al post > information on where to order from? AND Thanks in advance! > TtT > > Tony Lang > (TtT) > > > >________________________________ > > From: Alexander Washick > > >To: Tom Hall > >Cc: > Rollright@aol.com; Tiger e-mail List > >Sent: Friday, > November 2, 2012 11:17 PM > >Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'Lift-the-Dot' stud problem > > > >Tom is right!! I have used these for many years in business and on cars. > >If you have a hole with no threads and no easy access to the back this > >your > answer. Saved me many of times on the job. It works kind of like a > >rivet but > with threads in the center. Marson is the most popular make and I > >think they > use the term Grip-Serts. Sizes 6/32 -3/8 and they come in a kit > >and you if > don't do much work, maybe you could borrow the tool. Al > > > >On Fri, Nov 2, > 2012 at 10:47 PM, Tom Hall wrote: > > > >> If you guys > haven't used Riv-nuts yet this is the perfect opportunity. I > >> know that > it's not OEM "stock", but it fixes the problem. The studs are > >> available in > the 8-32 version and with practice and care (not to over > >> squeeze the tool) > the Riv-nut makes a fool-proof repair that is much > >> stronger than the > sheetmetal version. I'd send a pic, but the list would > >> strip it. > >> > >> > >> > >> On 11/2/2012 1:29 PM, Rollright@aol.com wrote: > >> > >>> Hello, > >>> The > Lift-the-Dot (now to be referred to as LtD) stud, just behind the > >>> door > >>> > on the U.S. near the soft top hinge, has widened the anchoring sheet-metal > >>> > to the point where it won't stay in the bodywork, even with a new stud > >>> > with > >>> fresh threads. > >>> I'd sure like to fix this, and I've even > tried Gorilla Glue. GG > >>> worked initially with the top's female snap, but > the tonneau did it > >>> right in. > >>> So, how do I fix this situation? > I've been told there is almost > >>> no way > >>> to get a goober of JB Weld or > the like to the bottom of the machine screw > >>> threads, as access is nearly > impossible. > >>> Tod Brown tells me his has the same problem, so if he > and I have > >>> the > >>> same issue, I'll bet it is really common. > >>> I > thought of putting a LtD with a bolt on the bottom, but then > >>> you get > >>> > into the access thing again, trying to get the nut on the bottom of the > >>> > bolt. > >>> HELP ! > >>> Jim Armstrong > >>> Mk 1A > >>> 382002083 > >>> LRXFE > >>> > ______________________________**_________________ > >>> > >>> > tigers@autox.team.net > >>> > >>> Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.**html > >>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/modtiger@** > >>> > comcast.net< > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/modtiger@comcast.net> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Tom Hall > >> ModTiger Engineering LLC > >> > www.tigerengineering.net > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> > >> tigers@autox.team.net > >> > >> Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.**html > >> Archive: > http://www.team.net/archi > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 11:42:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6442D06D4 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 11:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D0A2D0333 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 09:49:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id c26so361843qad.14 for ; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 08:50:36 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=guMxb5/T8I1CUU8rJJjhoF2NmRxFstJI5RQmhbnpy4c=; b=IlbNs7VvlCGyhBVtnHIt/2SsiY+QU6PzfH7aGlsDiVAmPlg3bC0VlToBzJSoHA6giw V9UA/G7gil2XIFipFFKduWDoffDOhpzvATcTem+7KdWgnEpj79BmiryeoLxi+9NgVCbL BTua1B7VhLCg/Aij+JXquAMK+G/iDDR458PE1QnIkwBMnK04QvJigxNSoNMBZnDG6BQ7 tnwCH46RUmbrT8TcOFSW5qcqnfa2e1XFpNkfvjrMNh2ye/pJ1QUaeydXv42sSP3+00fo JT/1XAX/ZkRXHUXO7EvcRxcnVYtLekI/f4XK2ah1Jz01MhROBf2V17ofjHIEhncnB6LS fD9A== Received: by 10.224.185.212 with SMTP id cp20mr7214081qab.2.1351957835839; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 08:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.63.197 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 08:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 11:50:35 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Over the years I've heard that these are the guys for rebuilding smiths instruments but never needed them as I tend to get gauges done from a great cheap guy in the uk. I recently had them convert my anticlockwise smiths RVI tachometer from my c-type jaguar to the later RVC style so it will work with the crane electronic ignition I'm using. The converted tach works very well and is very stable. However they unnecessarily painted the housing and the black paint is dripped and badly applied on the bezel. A bit disappointing. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 13:45:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8C32D0438 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 13:45:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C7D2D0336 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 12:02:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7A4BB38000158; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlc004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.210]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 53EE9E000081; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:03:26 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:03:26 -0400 (EDT) To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1351965806; bh=lzz9gLmz/Hq7wp2XObjhJx+ZnQUrL0NkdVMed0dFjsA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OYkrgNKcPIUs2qN8Ak/43ptotRybMdrFXiS/blwt6tWIgSikVAmO4NuqW7ELh1Cj6 LNn9qW0cOj6qRq32CAOU7s2ff8Yfdn1hRkLXPZhB5s2pCW42jsgrBqkxfRY7EbkEMk 9rMhgStk3KxtIIjjCAPP5S2aejOrh1FV5hjAuGxY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca50955c6e1dfd Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I had them do a speedometer. It came out extremely accurate, but they left a white spot of something on the inside of the glass. It was a small deal, but not what I expected from a company that pretty much claims perfection. M In a message dated 11/3/2012 1:43:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owain.lloyd@gmail.com writes: Over the years I've heard that these are the guys for rebuilding smiths instruments but never needed them as I tend to get gauges done from a great cheap guy in the uk. I recently had them convert my anticlockwise smiths RVI tachometer from my c-type jaguar to the later RVC style so it will work with the crane electronic ignition I'm using. The converted tach works very well and is very stable. However they unnecessarily painted the housing and the black paint is dripped and badly applied on the bezel. A bit disappointing. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 16:13:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB5D2D0475 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 16:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.53.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F8E2D02DA for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 13:50:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.192] by nm3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2012 19:51:59 -0000 Received: from [76.13.13.47] by tm5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2012 19:51:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2012 19:51:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351972319; bh=ZKnrHvX1JGtwkYt3UKBKaqMEuY3bt49NwDuYD38NlGQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=uMoN7jnz4LOz1N85PmW4/QdAyQKIrxelIKPrXYBbtscYL+F4yb5rmQWAZnCMs9jBKM8VdboCwRWeupm8RYbtN9sUYO8xe+F6sbzuq2hF5r8L1iVyp9SRpJEP0dUe1eznX56PfIOEXVJAkZSsK42MiSE76WYaDop7QLt4m8Sto9k= Xw.TqAhONzy0tvnyxSEo1ZaNDIBI2xZ8WOv5K3oRftKal3H3hHn7oyW82ika VxcIc._jwzEAO2aIYAzwuBWqgJ.R6_1gqbIMnx9s0ZbvAPCA26cPamxOC0p0 CnI6jQ3OURgpyILENz4IEU8EnVtXN.eroYZ6gJncAjNZ_N1r98.QesLwaTP3 8KveeS4z9w.A9vH_jxtBSgcsd87_3.nCIWi0Amo0t_pDFRpWM2uAoWzfVq7B vU7p6u6MD2My4T987pFl5zE9on2pAxBHQE0vGmzWbffJRlBOrkoayamCo7zU db2SwZlaAHsg_ZjyZwULWXt5PpDNKTogv9lqQOLFFlsDZSDhHxzgr5UMC2KW pbIvyicGcm8WedeP__fdzIjNQl43hynkRBpZ.jV_yZQ2XEUyTlAVvaDDGhXR BCdKGDxRR Received: from [10.0.1.11] (laurin212@69.86.55.247 with plain) by smtp108.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Nov 2012 12:51:59 -0700 PDT From: Peter Laurinaitis Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 15:51:56 -0400 References: <177bf.52b49234.3dc6b66e@aol.com> To: CoolVT@aol.com, Tiger List List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net i had them rebuild all my tiger gauges, did nice work overall, but did leave some plastic blast media or glass scrapings inside a few of the instruments On Nov 3, 2012, at 2:03 PM, CoolVT@aol.com wrote: > I had them do a speedometer. It came out extremely accurate, but they > left a white spot of something on the inside of the glass. It was a small > deal, but not what I expected from a company that pretty much claims > perfection. > M _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 16:17:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84582D082D for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 16:17:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4092D024A for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 15:06:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id c26so460659qad.14 for ; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 14:07:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=QYwoBF3a56EpS4kd+Gr/63Qm+3F2WoEN1sTR3oOxuTA=; b=eX7CMBOV9BCiXl7TybVaCB228LIwp8nH6Q3RumqjicFlau1WzukvAO1lttUDS5pvCR hvF+LJgn9IwlwkW5E0w37szENWacB3Kc0YFvshfPTm1RBlAfKDNm86EFvBLdER9TVJmB eEfeMYx++NqYdIBjcy1sD/fBnPRFqUw2rqhubkDJ1Dg0wjjiY6ZLJs8EX1xICcOlLiBy MJu7ldLGnV80U2J5z8jPK3xercG4gd6v4PvgMJ3kZwPCcrMneloQvz8L2KVUGpERuzLD M86kUYogwM30a47/aRk06NSfoU+YOrakMl2QFeAN9yQYlG7p0OhsiDMXlXwZXa/PLt/D Z2sg== Received: by 10.224.185.212 with SMTP id cp20mr8243289qab.2.1351976870684; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 14:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.63.197 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:07:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <177bf.52b49234.3dc6b66e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 17:07:50 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: Peter Laurinaitis Cc: Tiger List List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Guess I should have solicited recommendations first. Pity because they are obviously very capable. Its a shame when you pay for a job you could do better yourself though. They are not particularly friendly over the phone either. On Saturday, November 3, 2012, Peter Laurinaitis wrote: > i had them rebuild all my tiger gauges, did nice work overall, but did > leave some plastic blast media or glass scrapings inside a few of the > instruments > > > On Nov 3, 2012, at 2:03 PM, CoolVT@aol.com wrote: > > > I had them do a speedometer. It came out extremely accurate, but they > > left a white spot of something on the inside of the glass. It was a > small > > deal, but not what I expected from a company that pretty much claims > > perfection. > > M _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 16:43:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A3E2D08A0 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 16:43:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6765E2D02FF for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 16:00:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2012 22:02:02 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.109] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2012 22:02:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2012 22:02:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 41097 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2012 22:02:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351980122; bh=Rf1U91gdl8YehTDCiQQl/8Paa1K++p3kiRPXw1s8aak=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PvURhbhNcfxN/uNO4iBKw4og0+a+0uWau3P7PtYtO2hci4ZqMYF99frIdHiMirnyratKmpD3Ray6d9DTyXogpaTg4oUzZhU8JhRxpH5h23Qi4DLdGkLdneXTI/ND5aXrwB35lB9FbkJqNg5ONS85eePpkqAAdu8ABqwnC7CEi64= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=F/nVqMdmteg+z2CQ/W7fbmvQ6AYC7Xdc05C9oaUOvNqUeGV5/INtkG5TrbUY6CSreUuIg5i1yylCVfROoEElDeAJYfE/rR5tauXld9DClwX5OOYV/dKM5T3e1H++eoIJ97WcuKidFd12QCc/6mIGE3iT/TIkb247Gii9kGsHZrw=; gITYuPTVStdphiphG4wW.M9LjRARQYzGHxH.Cc61JfM00n2SrmHpPZnINaoC muk_IclZAGJ1iH56fjtSP8_WSjneSMV56oe5n_4NGjdQ6amznB.6TVdj9qWB HNXUMASfG5Y5ckJuBLfnyeQQec.SBw3pgzUEQUMReP78k9oihLKN2qCDZkIK jm36fUF1HPtplAWydQYNlMx0zYwYfPwiNCg6bsyaznlwXfDfeaFu._DQdW_g 5hXvjoCH5Fi_gQaRNIAqPwbWrPM105ZAXBgm71i_v2EmetzKEhf1uTzX1VKj arLeI0_XT1BJLRs8wduL.W48JqGI_93JK0c3QPVNBEDP8cgULDSF4T.DUnnN fTL6cQlBQ9eEzPeqNmDEABl_ETF.KQ8jqf42axqIZwZ5KgHOT7kTOAjcaEDZ 2aFVZrpeHto_sUQIbUDWlmo0eFtlbvKpUma94EMS3OJDRZmiJhshF Received: from [108.228.146.241] by web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 15:02:02 PDT SSByZWNlbnRseSByZXBsYWNlZCB0aGUgZnJvbnQgcm90b3JzIHdpdGggU3VuYmVhbSBTcGVjaWFsdGllcyBwYXJ0cy7CoCBJLg0KYWxzbyBib3VnaHQgdGhlIG5ldyBwYWRzLg0KTXkgcXVlc3Rpb24gaXMgaGF2ZSBhbnkgb2YgeW91IGV4cGVyaWVuY2VkIHByb2JsZW0gb2YgZ2V0dGluZyBlbm91Z2ggc3BhY2UgYmV0d2VlbiB0aGUgbmV3IHBhZHMgdG8gc2xpZGUgb24gdG8gdGhlIG5ldyByb3RvcnMgdXNpbmcgdGhlIFNTIHBhcnRzPw0KSSByZW1vdmVkIHRoZSBjYWxpcGVycyBhbmQgcHVzaGVkIHRoZSBwaXMBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 15:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: larryall@pacbell.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Disc Brake Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I recently replaced the front rotors with Sunbeam Specialties parts. I. also bought the new pads. My question is have any of you experienced problem of getting enough space between the new pads to slide on to the new rotors using the SS parts? I removed the calipers and pushed the pistons as far in as possible but still lack about .1 inch to slide on to the rotor. Any suggestions would be welcome B9472723 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 16:56:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546842D04EF for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 16:56:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0196.b.hostedemail.com [64.98.42.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE5E2D0489 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 16:24:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay02.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CEF47AC28; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 22:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from RedBudAdminPC (unknown [72.168.166.134]) (Authenticated sender: jimmc13@hughes.net) by omf10.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 22:25:13 +0000 (UTC) From: "Jim" To: , References: Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 17:25:17 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac256roje5NJAZ+EQCC63KNWjjU7wwAJu2TA Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Folks; I had Peter Bayer rebuild my Tiger clock and Smiths Tach. My experience is they do great work, the instruments look excellent. This is sometimes difficult to do, but I have to recommend that you contact Peter to make things right. I believe he will. Jim 1966 Mk 1a -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 10:51 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Over the years I've heard that these are the guys for rebuilding smiths instruments but never needed them as I tend to get gauges done from a great cheap guy in the uk. I recently had them convert my anticlockwise smiths RVI tachometer from my c-type jaguar to the later RVC style so it will work with the crane electronic ignition I'm using. The converted tach works very well and is very stable. However they unnecessarily painted the housing and the black paint is dripped and badly applied on the bezel. A bit disappointing. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimmc13@hughes.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 17:24:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD2F2D0843 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 17:24:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53C32D031F for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 16:52:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id t2so2433005qcq.14 for ; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 15:53:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=mSDMroSnlkHYiaxVMT2HI8jsQAxIeXxoMxSS7Krw5Eo=; b=ILKLMjiMeECsCMqEKDRGg4SnvwFksBLoYJLRVbtkEF//313gA7XGw9caKR80LPJh+k 68PuCuVAeatAuOo1UwW/WAIWrkZr2bfRMiZ1C0FXf6yKSnemXsLZRUHyrTmKL6DEyrwI yj+YD9Cl03BIoCzvlxtIooU1AIbKQPV2/dDLeodmJnY0D+2dWvYf57mq2NLKDTuywCwL TyJmxsT56ICPHmDtOnR9K/nCNJHjrRP8YURzWgMEyUwNYZl0s7q4CmrAjP4yfI/MOFDe A8VrrAxt/1pH0SqoPqjGwtgl6O2dnD0E3YYm4ldaq16bBckg9Zmo4euooPi6ujIdPAhw PBzQ== Received: by 10.49.71.8 with SMTP id q8mr9815303qeu.40.1351983236303; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 15:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.63.197 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 15:53:56 -0700 (PDT) References: <1351980122.26542.YahooMailClassic@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 18:53:56 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: "larryall@pacbell.net" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Disc Brake Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Do you have one of those screw spreaders for the calipers or are you just levering them open? If that tool still doesn't open them enough perhaps there is some corrosion on the piston blocking it from entering fully? On Saturday, November 3, 2012, wrote: > I recently replaced the front rotors with Sunbeam Specialties parts. I. > also bought the new pads. > My question is have any of you experienced problem of getting enough space > between the new pads to slide on to the new rotors using the SS parts? > I removed the calipers and pushed the pistons as far in as possible but > still > lack about .1 inch to slide on to the rotor. > > Any suggestions would be welcome > > B9472723 > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 17:55:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246ED2D08DB for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 17:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from defout.telus.net (defout.telus.net [204.209.205.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A66B2D048B for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 17:19:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from edmwcm03 ([204.209.205.31]) by priv-edmwes26.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.8.01.03.00 201-2260-125-20100507) with ESMTP id <20121103232022.QCDK12851.priv-edmwes26.telusplanet.net@edmwcm03> for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 17:20:22 -0600 Received: from [192.168.1.65] ([209.89.37.59]) by edmwcm03 with bizsmtp id KBLH1k00U1GZzsp01BLK47; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 17:20:21 -0600 cv=fPE9e5lEv2tZUfZ3IqkFJcxzhPTSGjtx+Rsqky3OtVs= c=1 sm=2 a=UIdm24C_LI4A:10 a=EanUfo-EAAAA:8 a=1DnOfNKpeaqMA1-1Mx4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=3H2y70zU-IsA:10 a=XuYcm-UWPzPjvLMudhQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=z3zeQyGKtvrqcPQS:21 From: Pointers Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 17:19:36 -0600 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For those that thought last weekend's Mecum auction Tiger was a good value, here's another off-season opp: http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=KC1212-141129&entryRow=46 &lottype=&startRow=37 PS (This one's TAC'd, so that should save some emails)! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 19:32:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C552D03B3 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 19:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75672D04DD for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 19:15:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from student2 ([unknown] [96.249.192.65]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MCX00DH0VKCT1G1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 20:17:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <425BA05F-4D85-4674-8C36-66F173AA2D25@telusplanet.net> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 18:17:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Is that a new type of TAC sticker..., or just something the owner had made up. I'm guessing the latter. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pointers" To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:19 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December > For those that thought last weekend's Mecum auction Tiger was a good > value, > here's another off-season opp: > http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=KC1212-141129&entryRow=46 > &lottype=&startRow=37 > > PS (This one's TAC'd, so that should save some emails)! > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 19:41:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84AB42D07B6 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 19:41:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495B22D0332 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 19:41:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KBPi1k0041wpRvQ53DitZG; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 01:42:53 +0000 Received: from OldHickory.comcast.net ([24.125.152.229]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KE4t1k00K4xDDKL3eE4ufP; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:04:54 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:29:34 -0400 To: Tiger List List From: Marc James Small References: <177bf.52b49234.3dc6b66e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At 03:51 PM 11/3/2012, Peter Laurinaitis wrote: Nisonger are the US agents for Smith's Instruments and also for VDO. They have always given me exemplary service. You nit-pickers need to understand excellence. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 19:45:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4606D2D07D5 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 19:45:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F88F2D0644 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 19:45:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id c26so533051qad.14 for ; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 18:46:46 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=JRfzRFnl/sMlfkNbTCGHZbI3Tmd3A6l9xosPc/T9zng=; b=nJOFLhZd2sSugePhKHGEEfbmy75zF9pkOYExYJgSlvhnNNXA2tm0s9N5+BWoiU3pc5 7pXosm/qjAe7pENUeN7+xgo8SrViLhSoDSWJnJY8FUsl+xndFS7zDSH/w9kPTyH9hDZP Qp+QlFvoQLH9HH46s9hN41H7BKau4BELBnZfl10PE42MofvV/j2VTHEamc5B/o+bWo3X RkdJ41w5EvsX1FeCrjGsiw0x/CUjwWcNKhEHplTvhM50ah13h+5EEUMw94v/A5ZqBygA vrG0bP10B7gMp+pcQiE8NwAI9u+QOrrR2izL3Lny4Gq+DJEPhlKUhig4ZbIdze1FP7eN tJpA== Received: by 10.49.71.8 with SMTP id q8mr10319271qeu.40.1351993606885; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 18:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.63.197 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 18:46:46 -0700 (PDT) References: <177bf.52b49234.3dc6b66e@aol.com> <20121104014143.C89AD2D04D7@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 21:46:46 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: Marc James Small Cc: Tiger List List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Your opinion doesn't count Marc. On Saturday, November 3, 2012, Marc James Small wrote: > At 03:51 PM 11/3/2012, Peter Laurinaitis wrote: > Nisonger are the US agents for Smith's > Instruments and also for VDO. They have always > given me exemplary service. You nit-pickers need to understand excellence. > > > Marc > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/owain.lloyd@** > gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 20:02:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7322D0332 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 20:02:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC072D02AA for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 20:02:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id K59n1k0070mv7h055E3pLp; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:03:49 +0000 Received: from OldHickory.comcast.net ([24.125.152.229]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KE3U1k00k4xDDKL3XE3V4u; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:03:29 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 22:03:36 -0400 To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com From: Marc James Small mail.com> References: <177bf.52b49234.3dc6b66e@aol.com> <20121104014143.C89AD2D04D7@autox.team.net> Cc: Tiger List List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At 09:46 PM 11/3/2012, Owain Lloyd wrote: >Your opinion doesn't count Marc. That is a rather rude comment, brother Owain. Share with us why you feel the way you seem to feel? I am a rather pleasant person with a lot of knowledge about the original Rootes system. Marc It is a good world for doing good deeds. -- Nathaniel the Faun _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 20:11:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09442D04C7 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 20:11:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1783A2D03DA for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 20:09:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BucksLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.229.205]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MCX00I49Y1V3731@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:10:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Marc James Small" , References: <177bf.52b49234.3dc6b66e@aol.com> <20121104014143.C89AD2D04D7@autox.team.net> <20121104020314.10B292D0369@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:10:41 -0700 Cc: Tiger List List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Perhaps Marc, the reason for Owain's reply is rooted in your demonstrated ability to formulate opinions that completely disregard the facts. pardon me for jumping in, Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc James Small" To: Cc: "Tiger List List" Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments > At 09:46 PM 11/3/2012, Owain Lloyd wrote: >>Your opinion doesn't count Marc. > > That is a rather rude comment, brother Owain. Share with us why you feel > the way you seem to feel? I am a rather pleasant person with a lot of > knowledge about the original Rootes system. > > Marc > > > > It is a good world for doing good deeds. > -- Nathaniel the Faun > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 20:18:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6232D0467 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 20:18:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526702D03D2 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 20:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KDv11k0030xGWP85FEKnvx; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:19:47 +0000 Received: from OldHickory.comcast.net ([24.125.152.229]) by omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KEJ51k0094xDDKL3YEJ5DC; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:18:06 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 22:19:02 -0400 To: "Buck Trippel" From: Marc James Small References: <177bf.52b49234.3dc6b66e@aol.com> <20121104014143.C89AD2D04D7@autox.team.net> <20121104020314.10B292D0369@autox.team.net> Cc: Tiger List List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At 10:10 PM 11/3/2012, Buck Trippel wrote: >Perhaps Marc, the reason for Owain's reply is rooted in your demonstrated >ability to formulate opinions that completely disregard the facts. > >pardon me for jumping in, > Thanks, Buck, for your commentary. I have a long history with Nisonger, going back to the '60's, but not one so constant that they would know me. All I did in my post was to point out that Nisonger was the US agency for Smith's Instruments (not opinion: fact) and that I had had good service for them servicomg VDO instruments (not opinion: fact). So, why Owain dumped on me, I do not know. I stated two matters of fact and then he ordered me not to speak any more. Wow. And you stand on his side? So much for free speech! Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 20:41:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014FE2D03AE for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 20:41:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE4C2D030E for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 20:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from student2 ([unknown] [96.249.192.65]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MCX00LDYZA6R5Y2@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:37:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <177bf.52b49234.3dc6b66e@aol.com> <20121104014143.C89AD2D04D7@autox.team.net> <20121104020314.10B292D0369@autox.team.net> <20121104021827.752B12D04F9@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:37:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >>>I stated two matters of fact and then he ordered me not to speak any >>>more.<<< It seems sir you omitted a third fact. You implied that those who did not agree with you were "nit-pickers." Likely that is the source of the consternation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc James Small" To: "Buck Trippel" Cc: "Tiger List List" Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments > At 10:10 PM 11/3/2012, Buck Trippel wrote: > >Perhaps Marc, the reason for Owain's reply is rooted in your demonstrated > >ability to formulate opinions that completely disregard the facts. > > > >pardon me for jumping in, > > > > Thanks, Buck, for your commentary. I have a long > history with Nisonger, going back to the '60's, > but not one so constant that they would know > me. All I did in my post was to point out that > Nisonger was the US agency for Smith's > Instruments (not opinion: fact) and that I had > had good service for them servicomg VDO > instruments (not opinion: fact). So, why Owain > dumped on me, I do not know. I stated two matters > of fact and then he ordered me not to speak any > more. Wow. And you stand on his side? So much for free speech! > > Marc > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 21:12:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9386B2D03D5 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 21:12:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0991F2D0369 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 21:09:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KAej1k00A1wpRvQ53FB2SX; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 03:11:02 +0000 Received: from OldHickory.comcast.net ([24.125.152.229]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KFZ31k00S4xDDKL3eFZ44q; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 03:33:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 23:10:46 -0400 To: From: Marc James Small References: <177bf.52b49234.3dc6b66e@aol.com> <20121104014143.C89AD2D04D7@autox.team.net> <20121104020314.10B292D0369@autox.team.net> <20121104021827.752B12D04F9@autox.team.net> <8176BA3941DB4925ACEFFC86C7787F25@student2> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At 10:37 PM 11/3/2012, Thomas Witt wrote: >>>>I stated two matters of fact and then he ordered me not to speak any >>>>more.<<< > >It seems sir you omitted a third fact. You implied that those who did not >agree with you were "nit-pickers." Likely that is the source of the >consternation. A fine point, and thank you. I always have had most wonderful service from Nisonger, dating back to the early 1970's. I find comments about spattering of paint on the glass a matter of contacting them and returning the item for correction. I never experienced anything of the sort but, if I had, I would have had it in the return mail to Winchester and they would have fixed it. Instead of griping, demand perfection. It really is that simple. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 21:34:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C8A2D0467 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 21:34:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3922D0353 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 21:34:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id v13so6121257vbk.14 for ; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 20:35:55 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=bLK926jG4HLZ35I6a0E7YMTjGjKeQc2cFJL5H2sguo8=; b=khOHHH2ItLisq7JJMRhWF/vWHgEKg3KmXYi1tUUP8o4qdoOBDGTwPfsxSeaJfuiOOW vmafN9vlsyBUS+WiH8hPfo/OEIBzv5pIjWivtN4UCqGRtnGB8X1SH+k5BdwAovpSM2iT iabY87z9TbryO2UQnMcUov0yq+NF3xXDQWjAtvQ6g3BIYyvmW2zSRqMddFuoPI/siGGz w/mreneEo42L6oGDhwTgUFBQth4VQLvkztvvxdw4Y1kZHrkNe4t+zcBchCTEhmaYL+kg 8Vv5Y+SEqbISbud9xDGHwvJMbe0SvOx27tdoKaqic2CAN8+tfLgBgBfrfKtnxJez1MBg xhqA== Received: by 10.58.116.212 with SMTP id jy20mr6139449veb.5.1352000154849; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 20:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.8.8 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 20:35:54 -0700 (PDT) References: <7efb.b841f2c.3dc58722@aol.com> <509485CF.1060508@comcast.net> <1351927790.83456.YahooMailNeo@web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 23:35:54 -0400 From: Alexander Washick To: Tony Somebody Cc: "Rollright@aol.com" , Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'Lift-the-Dot' stud problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I see this kit on Amazon. Marson 39001 HP2 Professional Riveter Kit. This is a great price. I used to pay around $55.00 years ago as I carried a kit on all my trucks for business. And yes, I had a run in with one of those XXX brands and ended up winging in the trash!! Good luck Al On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Tony Somebody wrote: > I have two hole in need now and that w/out checking my Alpines or > unrestored Tigers, so I want to buy the tool and inserts- would Ton or Al > post information on where to order from? AND Thanks in advance! > TtT > > Tony Lang (TtT) > > *From:* Alexander Washick > *To:* Tom Hall > *Cc:* Rollright@aol.com; Tiger e-mail List > *Sent:* Friday, November 2, 2012 11:17 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] 'Lift-the-Dot' stud problem > > Tom is right!! I have used these for many years in business and on cars. > If you have a hole with no threads and no easy access to the back this > your answer. Saved me many of times on the job. It works kind of like a > rivet but with threads in the center. Marson is the most popular make and I > think they use the term Grip-Serts. Sizes 6/32 -3/8 and they come in a kit > and you if don't do much work, maybe you could borrow the tool. Al > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Tom Hall wrote: > > > If you guys haven't used Riv-nuts yet this is the perfect opportunity. I > > know that it's not OEM "stock", but it fixes the problem. The studs are > > available in the 8-32 version and with practice and care (not to over > > squeeze the tool) the Riv-nut makes a fool-proof repair that is much > > stronger than the sheetmetal version. I'd send a pic, but the list would > > strip it. > > > > > > > > On 11/2/2012 1:29 PM, Rollright@aol.com wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> The Lift-the-Dot (now to be referred to as LtD) stud, just behind the > >> door > >> on the U.S. near the soft top hinge, has widened the anchoring > sheet-metal > >> to the point where it won't stay in the bodywork, even with a new stud > >> with > >> fresh threads. > >> I'd sure like to fix this, and I've even tried Gorilla Glue. GG > >> worked initially with the top's female snap, but the tonneau did it > >> right in. > >> So, how do I fix this situation? I've been told there is almost > >> no way > >> to get a goober of JB Weld or the like to the bottom of the machine > screw > >> threads, as access is nearly impossible. > >> Tod Brown tells me his has the same problem, so if he and I have > >> the > >> same issue, I'll bet it is really common. > >> I thought of putting a LtD with a bolt on the bottom, but then > >> you get > >> into the access thing again, trying to get the nut on the bottom of the > >> bolt. > >> HELP ! > >> Jim Armstrong > >> Mk 1A > >> 382002083 > >> LRXFE > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> > >> tigers@autox.team.net > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html< > http://www.team.net/donate.html> > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/modtiger@** > >> comcast.net< > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/modtiger@comcast.net> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Tom Hall > > ModTiger Engineering LLC > > www.tigerengineering.net > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html< > http://www.team.net/donate.html> > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/alw6464@gmail. > > **com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 21:42:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48FC2D046A for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 21:42:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7C62D0201 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 21:35:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo210 ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20121104033639.LRWK26743.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo210> for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 23:36:39 -0400 Received: from awtigerPC ([68.229.231.4]) by eastrmimpo210 with cox id KFcT1k00506M2ss01FceKw; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 23:36:39 -0400 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:17 a=0O4P5b0obNYA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=QwojchLl9KkA:10 a=Qm2X8ul6AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=EanUfo-EAAAA:8 a=kC-xrd8Eu1qz6E9pSkUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SZW4lLvtemsA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "awtiger" To: "Pointers" , References: <425BA05F-4D85-4674-8C36-66F173AA2D25@telusplanet.net> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 22:36:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well, that's not the same TAC sticker that I got from the inspectors at SUNI in Rapid City. It's also not mounted where they are supposed to be mounted. My money is on "fake sticker." In no way am I saying the car isn't what it is purported to be, although I don't think the sticker is the real McCoy. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pointers" To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 6:19 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December > For those that thought last weekend's Mecum auction Tiger was a good > value, > here's another off-season opp: > http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=KC1212-141129&entryRow=46 > &lottype=&startRow=37 > > PS (This one's TAC'd, so that should save some emails)! > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 22:01:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1314C2D03DA for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 22:01:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9662D0207 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 22:00:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.191] by nm14.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2012 04:02:00 -0000 Received: from [76.13.13.40] by tm4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2012 04:02:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2012 04:02:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1352001720; bh=LH/Riwt7j7HOqDrNl9kUxiWUVIUayX5lC9/8euylNA4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=dOPPSiY8A1sgg0F/oevqJLX8mkvY50IcrO3k00sis9Q/FlxsFzQzQReQbeVUhMTbzmJFwcLATgvxtPC7owjuelfiNBJ0xAIFKi2dUabgTFPVO8w8e0XAZlhNw790acH1CqMsGdfH4ssRsPuqDfZB1Qv7/5VuMrISFllUG/lWclo= kcdSJ9JzFIMzNwnangvH_DEZlKBvIcTJ6t_9e3WZqcNSCskUl7hX4inhQG_y g1SwoEAV.zv6K1ssGN7kFR4jfjQnVQ69kzNgZr6Y.YnLtRi4w6ziR5uSA8Jp ZHQiSDRFuX8z6CZoEBoPHP8S6RySEAZOhprGmmYS1M51I3XMsXFJ4LezzqGp 8V5JMwqAyVHIyeD_UId5F8EcsZqqhnxCM68RhNEx38FMk_DunB.jkeSab.D1 7iWPz2At6Kmsfqp0NbjfarxEP7eSxi4lMS2qIsiiaxDdojlAtlSZ2.1O0Rmx LeNGDrZ_P3fWqpYQibgdAisxFo8s5x48skJ0IGD1.nIX9JXQlq8T_9DfhDW2 s8yYmJUM9OBqahSfld6PrzgHIZVxS4_Ebai2Kn0iUNDeNKGrytAo8HgwVd1L 9IebNKUWA Received: from [10.0.1.11] (laurin212@69.86.55.247 with plain) by smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Nov 2012 21:02:00 -0700 PDT From: Peter Laurinaitis Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 00:01:56 -0400 References: <177bf.52b49234.3dc6b66e@aol.com> <20121104014143.C89AD2D04D7@autox.team.net> <20121104020314.10B292D0369@autox.team.net> <20121104021827.752B12D04F9@autox.team.net> <8176BA3941DB4925ACEFFC86C7787F25@student2> <20121104031253.5C5092D037E@autox.team.net> To: Marc James Small Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net no one is griping, but folks asked for an opinion, so we served up our experiences. i would probably use them again, but in terms of your comment "Instead of griping, demand perfection. It really is that simple." ... actually, what is *simple* is that the job should be done right the first time, period. who has time to demand perfection, send back the gauges, wait another 4 weeks, etc. marc, i dont usually jump into the fray, but you sure do have a way of strinking a nerve with your comments (eg, "griping", "nitpicking", etc), perhaps folks wouldn't jump down your throat if you think about the tone of your emails. just my 2 cents peter On Nov 3, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Marc James Small wrote: > At 10:37 PM 11/3/2012, Thomas Witt wrote: > >>>>I stated two matters of fact and then he ordered me not to speak any > >>>>more.<<< > > > >It seems sir you omitted a third fact. You implied that those who did not > >agree with you were "nit-pickers." Likely that is the source of the > >consternation. > > A fine point, and thank you. I always have had > most wonderful service from Nisonger, dating back > to the early 1970's. I find comments about > spattering of paint on the glass a matter of > contacting them and returning the item for > correction. I never experienced anything of the > sort but, if I had, I would have had it in the > return mail to Winchester and they would have > fixed it. Instead of griping, demand perfection. It really is that simple. > > Marc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 22:32:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03542D06B9 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 22:32:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5212D0297 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 22:25:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KGKe1k0080vyq2s53GSmJy; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 04:26:46 +0000 Received: from OldHickory.comcast.net ([24.125.152.229]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KGT91k0054xDDKL3RGT9iQ; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 04:27:10 +0000 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 00:25:27 -0400 To: Peter Laurinaitis From: Marc James Small References: <177bf.52b49234.3dc6b66e@aol.com> <20121104014143.C89AD2D04D7@autox.team.net> <20121104020314.10B292D0369@autox.team.net> <20121104021827.752B12D04F9@autox.team.net> <8176BA3941DB4925ACEFFC86C7787F25@student2> <20121104031253.5C5092D037E@autox.team.net> <0C9E2C5C-AA29-4E58-AD8A-9DFA5C1836FD@yahoo.com> Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At 12:01 AM 11/4/2012, Peter Laurinaitis wrote: >no one is griping, but folks asked for an opinion, so we served up our >experiences. i would probably use them again, but in terms of your >comment "Instead of griping, demand perfection. It really is that >simple." ... actually, what is *simple* is that the job should be >done right the first time, period. who has time to demand perfection, >send back the gauges, wait another 4 weeks, etc. > >marc, i dont usually jump into the fray, but you sure do have a way of >strinking a nerve with your comments (eg, "griping", "nitpicking", >etc), perhaps folks wouldn't jump down your throat if you think about >the tone of your emails. > >just my 2 cents > >peter Thank you, Peter; I had not realized that I was on a Canadian list. (he grins: I am a member of several Canadian lists where 'I disagree' is regarded as an unseemly word). I call the shots as I see them. I have had good experiences for forty years with Nisonger. If I got back an item from them which did not meet spec, I would send it back. It is really is as simple as that. Do not gripe. Demand perfection, This is simple economics. If we insist that they do the job right, they will, eventually, do the job right. We simply have to tell them why they did not meet the mark. Again, I have never had a problem with them and, yes, I regard the complaints about Nisonger most interesting, as they are so opposite to my own experience of four decades. Again, I am still trying to figure out, 'Your opinion doesn't count Marc' Wow. I have been put in my place, and why are you wasting your time speaking with a person whose opinion doesn't count? Marc . msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 22:46:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E8E2D0677 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 22:46:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18792D046F for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 22:37:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id c11so1911752qad.14 for ; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:38:54 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=BkNrP+97DU6MuO+MpTLnOnhzLw7BD6Ly4slnoadDW5c=; b=xDgIxJ5PcEokwiMjL6c1bkutfglEYubq5EJbGJFDa3PEVwgYmb1JGAG0ily9IgVEXW s/cRVq30i1l+nvuRSR878/sIHZacPY9i+44p47ZYdoM+YZNDSbq/mJrVqmHqji6xC7BB f3L5HDeO5xUtKkFnV5z/0JBthRMA8KX85gX7Say8X/AJiNhBBtMpZNxvdC1t4/DdJMPI RxXu07aXVUVZdkJngBNMVTl9gIX5woEJXaaTMQfSXEEC/RfM0qYbTP8ej4Kw1WNisWk0 io0r6OyIhB6zzoIvYlaQKOBFp9XE3eYwGNH9MR9MWTmiNNR3uPGLHPWmBcSKi9Y/ybFV Kebw== Received: by 10.49.130.227 with SMTP id oh3mr10810428qeb.21.1352003934186; Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.63.197 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Nov 2012 21:38:54 -0700 (PDT) References: <177bf.52b49234.3dc6b66e@aol.com> <20121104014143.C89AD2D04D7@autox.team.net> <20121104020314.10B292D0369@autox.team.net> <20121104021827.752B12D04F9@autox.team.net> <8176BA3941DB4925ACEFFC86C7787F25@student2> <20121104031253.5C5092D037E@autox.team.net> <0C9E2C5C-AA29-4E58-AD8A-9DFA5C1836FD@yahoo.com> <20121104043230.DD6A02D0677@autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 00:38:54 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: Marc James Small Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net As you may have noticed... - I'm not. And, much as I appreciate your support, I encourage the rest of you not to be baited either. We've all got better things to do.... Next subject please! On Sunday, November 4, 2012, Marc James Small wrote: > At 12:01 AM 11/4/2012, Peter Laurinaitis wrote: > >no one is griping, but folks asked for an opinion, so we served up our > >experiences. i would probably use them again, but in terms of your > >comment "Instead of griping, demand perfection. It really is that > >simple." ... actually, what is *simple* is that the job should be > >done right the first time, period. who has time to demand perfection, > >send back the gauges, wait another 4 weeks, etc. > > > >marc, i dont usually jump into the fray, but you sure do have a way of > >strinking a nerve with your comments (eg, "griping", "nitpicking", > >etc), perhaps folks wouldn't jump down your throat if you think about > >the tone of your emails. > > > >just my 2 cents > > > >peter > > Thank you, Peter; I had not realized that I was > on a Canadian list. (he grins: I am a member of > several Canadian lists where 'I disagree' is > regarded as an unseemly word). I call the shots > as I see them. I have had good experiences for > forty years with Nisonger. If I got back an item > from them which did not meet spec, I would send > it back. It is really is as simple as that. Do > not gripe. Demand perfection, This is simple > economics. If we insist that they do the job > right, they will, eventually, do the job > right. We simply have to tell them why they did > not meet the mark. Again, I have never had a > problem with them and, yes, I regard the > complaints about Nisonger most interesting, as > they are so opposite to my own experience of four decades. > > Again, I am still trying to figure out, 'Your > opinion doesn't count Marc' Wow. I have been > put in my place, and why are you wasting your > time speaking with a person whose opinion doesn't count? > > Marc > . > > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/owain.lloyd@** > gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 03:41:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F822D04C6 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 03:41:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0551B2D037E for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 03:41:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KNfX1k00416LCl051NitWN; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 10:42:53 +0000 Received: from OldHickory.comcast.net ([24.125.152.229]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KNiJ1k00J4xDDKL3SNiKaY; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 10:42:19 +0000 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 05:42:43 -0500 To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com,Marc James Small From: Marc James Small mail.com> References: <177bf.52b49234.3dc6b66e@aol.com> <20121104014143.C89AD2D04D7@autox.team.net> <20121104020314.10B292D0369@autox.team.net> <20121104021827.752B12D04F9@autox.team.net> <8176BA3941DB4925ACEFFC86C7787F25@student2> <20121104031253.5C5092D037E@autox.team.net> <0C9E2C5C-AA29-4E58-AD8A-9DFA5C1836FD@yahoo.com> <20121104043230.DD6A02D0677@autox.team.net> Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At 11:38 PM 11/3/2012, Owain Lloyd wrote: >As you may have noticed... - I'm not. > >And, much as I appreciate your support, I >encourage the rest of you not to be baited >either. We've all got better things to do.... > You are mouthing gibberish, Owain. I was not 'baiting' anyone. I simply stated my own experience with Nisonger. If you regard everyone who has an experience different than yours as 'baiting' you, then you must live in a remarkably paranoid universe. Again, I stated facts, not opinion. Your response was simply inappropriate. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 03:44:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C932D04E8 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 03:44:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB432D0361 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 03:44:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 05:45:37 -0500 From: "rande" To: awtiger@cox.net Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 05:45:37 -0500 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] TAC plate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Speaking as a TAC inspector, but not for the TAC committee, I hope the owner of this car has just gotten carried away, and has the real TAC sticker installed on the car where it's supposed to be. We're good(and don't forget humble) but we usually don't know the VIN of the inspected cars until the point of inspection, and so can't bring TAC plates to them with one's VIN and certificate number pre-stenciled. There's also the issue of WHY the owner did this. Were they showing the TAC sticker to so many aging buyers with bad backs, that they were filling the local E.R.? You know what I regret? That I couldn't be out in S.F. to see Tom Hall's, Norm's, and Patrick King's reaction when they saw this plate for the first time. I would have bought a round of drinks for all. Darn. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 06:05:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A802D0BD0 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 06:05:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF3E2D0BB5 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 06:03:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A153B38000091; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mlc004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.210]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5BA5BE00008A; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:04:39 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:04:39 -0500 (EST) To: awtiger@cox.net, gpointer@telusplanet.net, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1352034279; bh=i1CUylm9hFYpsUW7Aqr4ezlrVSqrOEqWbvfESxRTJ6E=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QocyfBJF4nGCVnmsn1Sh+fPoYTkmzPUi2t5Zxmxv75fr9xOTwswOG0iyPlgbcXFXT /sz8A8rOEAs53w5EKvF+nSynhqfHkakf6YsM3JhKO1xsH3UrvexQApQJ+sXJpTVZV6 nxL3UcWjWUB4zFtojS+e2XQP+XJ9p5rhYpAf1qSw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c7509667e70f78 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well, since the stickers are numbered it shouldn't be hard to know if this vehicle got a legal sticker. Mark In a message dated 11/3/2012 10:43:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, awtiger@cox.net writes: Well, that's not the same TAC sticker that I got from the inspectors at SUNI in Rapid City. It's also not mounted where they are supposed to be mounted. My money is on "fake sticker." In no way am I saying the car isn't what it is purported to be, although I don't think the sticker is the real McCoy. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pointers" To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 6:19 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December > For those that thought last weekend's Mecum auction Tiger was a good > value, > here's another off-season opp: > http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=KC1212-141129&entryRow=46 > &lottype=&startRow=37 > > PS (This one's TAC'd, so that should save some emails)! > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 07:12:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFB92D0C6E for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:12:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43FFD2D0BB7 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:07:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AB69C38000101; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:08:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mlc004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.210]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 82254E00008A; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:08:38 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:08:38 -0500 (EST) To: atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1352038118; bh=tYXDv+m/kNrINiHxkga+O6Tr3G9cgAdobCiNgODuHPE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=avzVgtpiT4CaV41QlSxuJxZhg1Ot70VbUWmfviO6ggtHeHAiCOjgZiV1z4qYh6IBc I9ZvQ7S9d5KEA80KoNZcdi1vRwJ7nxddhbmnxdrmAwK3VbrPUpaN9+8G/h4V1q2TEv l4vZFQyYkrAZ2DsiHNJY0IOCLz7LwmfojrpfycH4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3389509676e62b43 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The 3 people that have commented on the "Less than perfect job" of Nisonger, myself included, have mentioned that the dissatisfaction with service has been in the cosmetic end of the product. It seems to me that flaws in the cosmetics should be the easiest part to detect and correct. . Before a product is shipped, ask the office secretary to give it a quick "look over". That part of the service is not rocket science. And for the top-end price that they charge, things should be returned looking about like new. Mark L In a message dated 11/3/2012 9:42:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, atwittsend@verizon.net writes: >>>I stated two matters of fact and then he ordered me not to speak any >>>more.<<< It seems sir you omitted a third fact. You implied that those who did not agree with you were "nit-pickers." Likely that is the source of the consternation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc James Small" To: "Buck Trippel" Cc: "Tiger List List" Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Feedback on nisonger instruments > At 10:10 PM 11/3/2012, Buck Trippel wrote: > >Perhaps Marc, the reason for Owain's reply is rooted in your demonstrated > >ability to formulate opinions that completely disregard the facts. > > > >pardon me for jumping in, > > > > Thanks, Buck, for your commentary. I have a long > history with Nisonger, going back to the '60's, > but not one so constant that they would know > me. All I did in my post was to point out that > Nisonger was the US agency for Smith's > Instruments (not opinion: fact) and that I had > had good service for them servicomg VDO > instruments (not opinion: fact). So, why Owain > dumped on me, I do not know. I stated two matters > of fact and then he ordered me not to speak any > more. Wow. And you stand on his side? So much for free speech! > > Marc > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 07:58:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBBC2D0D4D for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:58:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA092D0C5F for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:52:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from Larry-Paulicks-MacBook-Pro.local ([unknown] [96.244.79.85]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MCY00C6SXCXF2P0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 08:53:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 09:53:22 -0500 From: Larry Paulick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Not listed on http://www.stoa-tigerclub.com/tac/tacno.html, from my quick look, so unless I missed it, or the list is not current, not TACed. Also, this car looks good in the pics, but is sitting really high. Larry On 11/4/12 8:04 AM, CoolVT@aol.com wrote: > Well, since the stickers are numbered it shouldn't be hard to know if this > vehicle got a legal sticker. > Mark > > > In a message dated 11/3/2012 10:43:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > awtiger@cox.net writes: > > Well, that's not the same TAC sticker that I got from the inspectors at > SUNI > in Rapid City. It's also not mounted where they are supposed to be > mounted. > My money is on "fake sticker." In no way am I saying the car isn't what > it > is purported to be, although I don't think the sticker is the real McCoy. > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > TAC #740 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pointers" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 6:19 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December > > >> For those that thought last weekend's Mecum auction Tiger was a good >> value, >> here's another off-season opp: >> > http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=KC1212-141129&entryRow=46 >> &lottype=&startRow=37 >> >> PS (This one's TAC'd, so that should save some emails)! >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 08:56:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAC32D0C47 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:56:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720542D0B47 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:24:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id qA4FMuHV005134; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:25:26 -0800 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40188c70) id dm0219.508b1087.19df9c; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:25:15 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:24:36 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac26FOqA6SNzoZLMR0OwudbWTUJ1kgAiEiMg engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-11-04_05:2012-11-03,2012-11-04,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1211040153 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Disc Brake Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Larry We will always come across variations in the dimensions of parts; it is part of the manufacturing process. I have seen some pads that the backer plate was too wide to float in the caliper correctly and I had to file down the edges to make the fit properly. The pads must float in the caliper. I measured a new pad I have, it is .6" thick. I made a quick measurement of a caliper which gave me a max thickness of a pad at .7". I would guess that the pads should not be any thicker than .65" max to fit in the caliper. I think the thickness of the rotor is around .5". Maybe you need to measure all the components. The pistons should push in until the rubber boot almost puckers up or about .1" up out of the bore. If your pistons are not pushing in that far; first crack the bleeder valve to see if they will push in further if not time to look at a caliper rebuild. The pads should be around .6" thick if not sand them thinner with a piece of sandpaper on a flat surface. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of larryall@pacbell.net Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 6:02 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Disc Brake Question I recently replaced the front rotors with Sunbeam Specialties parts. I. also bought the new pads. My question is have any of you experienced problem of getting enough space between the new pads to slide on to the new rotors using the SS parts? I removed the calipers and pushed the pistons as far in as possible but still lack about .1 inch to slide on to the rotor. Any suggestions would be welcome B9472723 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5869 - Release Date: 11/02/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 09:05:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BC12D0C87 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:05:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s8.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s8.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDD12D0C24 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:44:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT111-DS18 ([65.55.90.137]) by snt0-omc3-s8.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:45:52 -0800 From: "Thomas Prager" To: , "Larry Paulick" References: <50968162.7000901@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:45:51 -0600 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:45:51 -0600 FILETIME=[7845FA60:01CDBAA3] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Looking at Norm's updated site, it was TACed, but not in 2008: B382001370* LRX Purcellville VA 3/12 0708 B32001370 Purcellville, VA 3/12 0708 tom ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December Not listed on http://www.stoa-tigerclub.com/tac/tacno.html, from my quick look, so unless I missed it, or the list is not current, not TACed. Also, this car looks good in the pics, but is sitting really high. Larry > Well, since the stickers are numbered it shouldn't be hard to know if this > vehicle got a legal sticker. > Mark > > > In a message dated 11/3/2012 10:43:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > Well, that's not the same TAC sticker that I got from the inspectors at > SUNI > in Rapid City. It's also not mounted where they are supposed to be > mounted. > My money is on "fake sticker." In no way am I saying the car isn't what > it > is purported to be, although I don't think the sticker is the real McCoy. > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > TAC #740 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 6:19 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December > > >> For those that thought last weekend's Mecum auction Tiger was a good >> value, >> here's another off-season opp: >> > http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=KC1212-141129&entryRow=46 >> &lottype=&startRow=37 >> >> PS (This one's TAC'd, so that should save some emails)! >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Donate: >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tcprager@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 09:31:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F212D0CB2 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:31:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9612A2D02FF for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:12:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id t2so2716703qcq.14 for ; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 08:13:41 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=T9xe16hXKploQDP0PYmeNowQ8s2uw6a3+ick4ERpxeg=; b=NpeGguANbJ2LSaMvKyZtgd/AsF8jpXMZKIsUL62HkECxwyGMNrZWD0auRG16b0m8nz GTsR7HeSTYZQurklmzBoHFOJmlJQF11pJ6KxSX8dfKG6br65JGKIh193+WaCON0SDcCW u4r9qFoBkfcLJh4mbpGzJo+KfR9nRsHmDZCk5AskRI9wP6CtnUZlFP2X2M22TaECWecb d/PhNH8lo32OCyw3HWlfCN+vxg1cncmlWyeQdckqxjtgBXhiC0d7njEW+kU/MJnIBN0c QOHPJqHc5iYFBD4w9yH9b79rAE7Y8C2wCwHB91TxdHfibuAIhUb89f6gAI6nk93wMY/T AmGw== Received: by 10.49.4.168 with SMTP id l8mr12647208qel.57.1352045621191; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 08:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.63.197 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:13:41 -0800 (PST) References: <50968162.7000901@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:13:41 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: Thomas Prager Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net anyone else on the list think they own 1370? On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Thomas Prager wrote: > Looking at Norm's updated site, it was TACed, but not in 2008: > B382001370* LRX Purcellville VA 3/12 0708 > > B32001370 Purcellville, VA 3/12 0708 > > tom > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December > > > Not listed on > http://www.stoa-tigerclub.com/tac/tacno.html< > http://www.stoa-tigerclub.com/ta > c/tacno.html>, from my > quick look, so unless I missed it, or the list is not current, not TACed. > > Also, this car looks good in the pics, but is sitting really high. > > Larry > > > Well, since the stickers are numbered it shouldn't be hard to know if > this > > vehicle got a legal sticker. > > Mark > > > > > > In a message dated 11/3/2012 10:43:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > > Well, that's not the same TAC sticker that I got from the inspectors > at > > SUNI > > in Rapid City. It's also not mounted where they are supposed to be > > mounted. > > My money is on "fake sticker." In no way am I saying the car isn't > what > > it > > is purported to be, although I don't think the sticker is the real > McCoy. > > > > Andy Walker > > Edmond, OK > > B382001600LRXFE > > TAC #740 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 6:19 PM > > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December > > > > > >> For those that thought last weekend's Mecum auction Tiger was a good > >> value, > >> here's another off-season opp: > >> > > > > http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=KC1212-141129&entryRow=46 > < > http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=KC1212-141129&entryRow=4 > 6> > >> &lottype=&startRow=37 > >> > >> PS (This one's TAC'd, so that should save some emails)! > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net< > http://autox.tea > m.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net> > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html< > http://www.team.net/donate.html> > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com< > http://autox.team > .net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com> > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html< > http://www.team.net/donate.html> > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1@verizon.net< > http://aut > ox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1@verizon.net> > _______________________________________________ > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tcprager@hotmail.com< > http://auto > x.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tcprager@hotmail.com> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 09:46:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9162D0C85 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:46:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349F32D0B19 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:21:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from BucksLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.229.205]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MCZ000241HF10M0@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 10:22:28 -0600 (CST) From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Larry Paulick" , References: <50968162.7000901@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 08:22:23 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Larry, you're correct. The list is not current. There's always a lag. Additionally, the public data base on the STOA site is in the process of being moved to a new location and has not been updated recently as much as TAC's secure official site. I checked with TAC's Tom Hall & he does have a record of a "red" Tiger (VIN 382001370) being TAC'ed and issued TAC Sticker #708. bt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Paulick" To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December > Not listed on http://www.stoa-tigerclub.com/tac/tacno.html, from my quick > look, so unless I missed it, or the list is not current, not TACed. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 10:32:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB952D0C61 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:32:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592B12D09A4 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:23:15 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Kzqk9cIxP2UnGTz+7GekhTFRhM0tXM3iM/XjB6SFJTWjZ8LmWnXYESIihmiZxb+t; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.245.28.56] (helo=XPS2710.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TV3vu-0003Ea-Ja for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 12:24:26 -0500 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 09:24:24 -0800 To: tigers@autox.team.net From: J D Johnson References: <50968162.7000901@verizon.net> <217E8783873046AAB3B5F4C0F0DCEA3F@BucksLaptop> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Norm says it's got some kind of "tribute" ID elements on it. JD _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 13:16:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5F92D0CD9 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:16:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D4BA2D0C9C for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 12:51:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from Larry-Paulicks-MacBook-Pro.local ([unknown] [96.244.79.85]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MCZ00EYVB6YHB80@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 13:52:11 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 14:52:10 -0500 From: Larry Paulick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 To: Buck Trippel References: <50968162.7000901@verizon.net> <217E8783873046AAB3B5F4C0F0DCEA3F@BucksLaptop> Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Buck, I now understand that it is TAC'ed. In fact Ronnie Silber let me know it has my old 289 HiPo engine in it. Yes I know Hipo's are rare, but I didn't want that kind of performance. Larry On 11/4/12 11:22 AM, Buck Trippel wrote: > Larry, you're correct. The list is not current. There's always a lag. > Additionally, the public data base on the STOA site is in the process > of being moved to a new location and has not been updated recently as > much as TAC's secure official site. > > I checked with TAC's Tom Hall & he does have a record of a "red" Tiger > (VIN 382001370) being TAC'ed and issued TAC Sticker #708. > > bt > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Paulick" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 6:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at auction in December > > >> Not listed on http://www.stoa-tigerclub.com/tac/tacno.html, from my >> quick look, so unless I missed it, or the list is not current, not >> TACed. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 18:07:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DBC12D0C52 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 18:07:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s23.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s23.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.98]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461332D0C14 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 17:58:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU166-W2 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s23.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 4 Nov 2012 16:59:25 -0800 From: Curt Bowland To: tigers Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 18:59:25 -0600 FILETIME=[CD1E8820:01CDBAF0] Subject: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I am a bit amazed that people have not thought about the possibility that this person wanted to "advertise" the fact his car had been TAC'd in a bit of a more individual or visible way. And yes, the location of the 'real' sticker is a bit of a PITA to view......at least mine is. This said, why do so many have their shorts in a knot for what would appear to be the obvious. Yes, he could have taken a picture of the sticker and put it under his winshield wiper............I think the sticker looks a lot better IMHO. Curt in Chicago _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 19:51:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A550A2D0BA9 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 19:51:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386032D0AF8 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 19:23:58 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=h/6TpljbBk6ce3y4Rmn+oQWzYvu8974BHDVs4Boeeie5azMuhNNlQlMvpotj9iU8; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.245.28.56] (helo=XPS2710.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TVCNB-00032O-Em for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 21:25:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:25:06 -0800 To: tigers@autox.team.net From: J D Johnson References: Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Certainly better looking than what was there before. https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=735598a95e0c2d86#cid=735598A95E0C2D86&id=735598A95E0C2D86%21164 JD At 04:59 PM 11/4/2012, Curt Bowland wrote: >I am a bit amazed that people have not thought about the possibility that this >person wanted to "advertise" the fact his car had been TAC'd in a bit of a >more individual or visible way. And yes, the location of the 'real' sticker is >a bit of a PITA to view......at least mine is. This said, why do so many have >their shorts in a knot for what would appear to be the obvious. Yes, he could >have taken a picture of the sticker and put it under his winshield >wiper............I think the sticker looks a lot better IMHO. > >Curt in Chicago _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 19:52:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220E62D0D02 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 19:52:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF74E2D0A0B for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 19:26:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id k14so6531313oag.14 for ; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:28:02 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=kRko5XMw/tvVOBTWJ5rXsBzyapZRmHAwE6ucAUhVBIs=; b=ZZWq1ZtKsZg4qje6LIjng7lZYi2GBhKAtTQSBaNQgOGvbA09lQkRh9Obz8t6I9JboD qbzsBZIwqL2ZKOJPmkhB7K5pHMAn0piFLQwRmzm5797uYrdbe/Gg3MtSKuM0pDOGgMiN +0ggDZC3DrmQ2b2/Zz72L5QG3PGBzyRauABFrXh+3mMm8dUYM6LmBWVRFdsxrJXW4xzz 0sgt6Euujjp/M6K06+S6wdGpXomgvjViTV6GzB9ksS3mIvudiF3P7bl7Eq2rCAJdoOi4 FPd9DTS3Kl+oEky74SDkckTLxN6NZFdi/o2Ybv7YGJcJgBNZRGuCDEMKwKLg7ADvL2id 5MjQ== Received: by 10.60.9.5 with SMTP id v5mr6627550oea.81.1352082482361; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:28:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([8.28.240.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d6sm16486132obx.15.2012.11.04.18.28.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:28:01 -0800 (PST) References: From: Cullen McCann Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:27:58 -0600 To: Curt Bowland Cc: tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I fully expect to ruffle some feathers with this next comment, but I want to take Curt's comment to the next level. I hope that the readers will take this with not only grain of salt, but also with a slight sense of humor. It's not meant to be a jab at the Sunbeam community, on the contrary even though I'm not a major contributor I hope that everyone will understand that I find humor in it. But I am a member of about 5 different automotive clubs and followings. And the Sunbeam crowd is by far, without question the most scrutinizing and critical of other peoples cars. At least on this particular list. Most conversations begins with the assumption that the person is striving for perfect originality and anything that deviates from that must be a mistake, a shortcoming, or an attempt to mislead others. Parts missing, ride height to high or too low, emblems crooked, stickers in the wrong place order of unknown origin, shade of paint not exactly as it should be for specific code. It's absolutely possible that the owner of the car has intended for all of these things to be a certain way and it just isn't in keeping with what the masses think it should be. Honestly, it makes me laugh. Cullen Sent from my iPad On Nov 4, 2012, at 6:59 PM, Curt Bowland wrote: > I am a bit amazed that people have not thought about the possibility that this > person wanted to "advertise" the fact his car had been TAC'd in a bit of a > more individual or visible way. And yes, the location of the 'real' sticker is > a bit of a PITA to view......at least mine is. This said, why do so many have > their shorts in a knot for what would appear to be the obvious. Yes, he could > have taken a picture of the sticker and put it under his winshield > wiper............I think the sticker looks a lot better IMHO. > > Curt in Chicago > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 20:23:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCC32D0BE5 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:23:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe006.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14862D0B17 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:10:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail114-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.250) by CH1EHSOBE002.bigfish.com (10.43.70.52) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 03:11:36 +0000 Received: from mail114-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail114-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267C9600F9 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 03:11:36 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail114-ch1: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail114-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail114-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 135208509455149_21384; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 03:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS012.bigfish.com (snatpool1.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.248]) by mail114-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A79C400138 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 03:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CH1EHSMHS012.bigfish.com (10.43.70.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 03:11:33 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:11:35 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.3.116]) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.181]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:11:24 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: tigers Thread-Topic: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? Thread-Index: AQHNuvIN0UsSDyEzB0yfDijk3WMWiJfa6QcA//+jGkA= Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 03:11:23 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.4.6] Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Cullen - Really? I find that surprising. To be sure, there are members on this mailing list that will quickly remind everyone that such-and-such a detail is not stock or not necessarily a desirable feature. However, you'll mostly see that in response to eBay or live-auction listings where a given car is described with maybe a bit too much hyperbole. At the various Sunbeam and other classic-car events I've attended, modified or personalized Tigers far outnumber the showroom restorations, and from what I can tell most people appreciate the efforts put forth by the owners, regardless of the direction that particular car was taken. I can assure you that most everything I've done on my Tiger was done with deliberate intent, and to a standard that represented the best of my ability, equipment, time, and finances at the time I did it. Nobody else has to like it... it's my car. I've been looking into electric car conversions lately. The Tiger would be a pretty nasty thing with a siamesed 9" motor setup... since I don't drive it in winter, the low-temperature issues with batteries are not so much an issue. I could even use the original air cleaner assembly for the motor cooling air intake. Cheers, Theo ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. 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Thread-Index: AQHNuvIN0UsSDyEzB0yfDijk3WMWiJfa6DoA//+oaCA= Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 03:12:07 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.4.6] Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi JD, Was that a state DMV issued ID plate? -Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J D Johnson > Sent: November 4, 2012 7:25 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? > > Certainly better looking than what was there before. > > https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=735598a95e0c2d86#cid=735598A95E0C2D86&id > =735598A95E0C2D86%21164 > > > JD > ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 20:54:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FF52D0BA9 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:54:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7770D2D0B7B for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:50:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id va7so6458946obc.14 for ; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:51:21 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=1s06CfqZawQ/1/QawBsZ8BgcUpCelKN4JZRJuFoG/Jg=; b=YmIo4cZIM46bal0so8S9oLSD3Yz2WKuIr2qfhJo88hsO96ei8W+7MCULBw68nVJPLi qHdaKpeYZK3yeNw/2EFjigg2qmcvdA6RA0L5ngE/cHCPVbQoGelMSscSC3PaiyKzgCPv 2Ptu94salI/4PK8QxE+sTpYi5a2IgeUnkQYyNVlMU9idg4xGJpf9h/5VjPDm8JnUpUja dIm7qLqAL2ql8EsRnVw2BLM110tSnCsZg76H8cCqjyyHNOr79dzUtWEw30FoZkSVqp7l 4xSVr5rMDr/72xlmMqle8X+9qNnT0HUWUCf3VviDpx7oZf2EAJNk+A0mPFXDyduShdN2 NjNw== Received: by 10.182.39.9 with SMTP id l9mr522932obk.32.1352087480975; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:51:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([8.28.240.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s5sm16671566obo.10.2012.11.04.19.51.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:51:20 -0800 (PST) References: <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E15064B83@OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com> From: Cullen McCann Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:51:17 -0600 To: "Smit, Theo" Cc: tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Theo. Well, I'm sure perspectives vary. My impression from watching the commentary for a few years now is that most owners are striving for originality as close as possible. But my basis for comparison is poor because my other car interests are ones that are very rarely seen restored to original condition. But like I said, it's just an impression. Not meant to be rude. Just got on the classic bronco forum, or Pantera form, or it could kit car forum, etc, I don't see as many discussions where somebody else's build is so..... picked apart, at least not to the extent of questioning the owners intent... "Why would they do this".. Do people need a reason to put a plaque on the cowl? This discussion about the plaque on the cowl of this red car was just something I never hear on those other discussion boards. Sent from my iPad On Nov 4, 2012, at 9:11 PM, "Smit, Theo" wrote: > Hi Cullen - > Really? I find that surprising. To be sure, there are members on this mailing > list that will quickly remind everyone that such-and-such a detail is not > stock or not necessarily a desirable feature. However, you'll mostly see that > in response to eBay or live-auction listings where a given car is described > with maybe a bit too much hyperbole. > > At the various Sunbeam and other classic-car events I've attended, modified or > personalized Tigers far outnumber the showroom restorations, and from what I > can tell most people appreciate the efforts put forth by the owners, > regardless of the direction that particular car was taken. I can assure you > that most everything I've done on my Tiger was done with deliberate intent, > and to a standard that represented the best of my ability, equipment, time, > and finances at the time I did it. Nobody else has to like it... it's my car. > > I've been looking into electric car conversions lately. The Tiger would be a > pretty nasty thing with a siamesed 9" motor setup... since I don't drive it in > winter, the low-temperature issues with batteries are not so much an issue. I > could even use the original air cleaner assembly for the motor cooling air > intake. > > Cheers, > Theo > > > > > ________________________________ > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 21:49:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F5F2D0CA7 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:49:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5C92D081D for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:20:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id qA54Lgf2013610; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 23:21:42 -0500 Received: from core-mlb003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.145]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 24F6AE000081; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 23:21:42 -0500 (EST) From: MWood24020@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 23:21:42 -0500 (EST) To: cmccann1972@gmail.com, Theo.Smit@dynastream.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1352089302; bh=5Tj0HPd02+UwxRwT2aH6qOW3JyRI/mulB0hJSA51RmY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P6GqHds5qZ19dE/057B8NniE7UALgG3x13LlMZ7r/Eg91n2tG6P8L5IbfW+94JAjN Zwh8Fj7SS8TMb+cR/XFjTMQBhBVcPQ+DI0whSqXmL26/J95xAGWkRMvRGFT3VMpa8r DwVRnItYVUryPSDDGtbSqJupsoS4DPmBTtM5BbE4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e50973ed640ce Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I don't think the narrow back and forth on this mailing list is in any way a proxy for the Tiger community in the "real world"..but, at least this list does provide the occasional item of interest, so I keep lurking...and deleting the rest ;-) Mike Wood In a message dated 11/4/2012 7:56:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cmccann1972@gmail.com writes: Hi Theo. Well, I'm sure perspectives vary. My impression from watching the commentary for a few years now is that most owners are striving for originality as close as possible. But my basis for comparison is poor because my other car interests are ones that are very rarely seen restored to original condition. But like I said, it's just an impression. Not meant to be rude. Just got on the classic bronco forum, or Pantera form, or it could kit car forum, etc, I don't see as many discussions where somebody else's build is so..... picked apart, at least not to the extent of questioning the owners intent... "Why would they do this".. Do people need a reason to put a plaque on the cowl? This discussion about the plaque on the cowl of this red car was just something I never hear on those other discussion boards. Sent from my iPad On Nov 4, 2012, at 9:11 PM, "Smit, Theo" wrote: > Hi Cullen - > Really? I find that surprising. To be sure, there are members on this mailing > list that will quickly remind everyone that such-and-such a detail is not > stock or not necessarily a desirable feature. However, you'll mostly see that > in response to eBay or live-auction listings where a given car is described > with maybe a bit too much hyperbole. > > At the various Sunbeam and other classic-car events I've attended, modified or > personalized Tigers far outnumber the showroom restorations, and from what I > can tell most people appreciate the efforts put forth by the owners, > regardless of the direction that particular car was taken. I can assure you > that most everything I've done on my Tiger was done with deliberate intent, > and to a standard that represented the best of my ability, equipment, time, > and finances at the time I did it. Nobody else has to like it... it's my car. > > I've been looking into electric car conversions lately. The Tiger would be a > pretty nasty thing with a siamesed 9" motor setup... since I don't drive it in > winter, the low-temperature issues with batteries are not so much an issue. I > could even use the original air cleaner assembly for the motor cooling air > intake. > > Cheers, > Theo > > > > > ________________________________ > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 23:29:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080292D0BD5 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 23:29:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.140]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F492D0B80 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 23:02:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY148-DS5 ([65.54.190.187]) by bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 4 Nov 2012 22:04:03 -0800 From: David or Gary To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 06:04:02 GMT FILETIME=[5B6AA800:01CDBB1B] Subject: [Tigers] Possible AMC 5spd at Pick-n-Pull Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I was looking for misc cars parts at the Rancho Cordova Pick-n-Pull, 3419 Sunrise Blvd. (By Sacramento CA.) and ran across a 1982 Eagle 256 6 cyl. with a 5 speed trans, sorry but I forgot to check and see if it was 2WD or 4WD. It was in ROW 075, if anyone wants to check it out. David Franchi _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 23:45:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C2E2D09BC for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 23:45:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46632D0B79 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 23:20:18 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=n7zWXYKTAj12FkTeYsRNkBEJpwANmDscf0qiC/I6zVFe2Db/wmoe2RWO2MSt8wyG; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.245.28.56] (helo=XPS2710.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TVG3t-0004ZV-P3 for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 01:21:30 -0500 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 22:21:26 -0800 To: tigers@autox.team.net From: J D Johnson rmin.com> References: <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E15064B90@OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net You've got me Theo. If it was, removing it to mount the "advertisement" doesn't seem too thought out. JD At 07:12 PM 11/4/2012, Smit, Theo wrote: >Hi JD, >Was that a state DMV issued ID plate? > >-Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J D Johnson > > Sent: November 4, 2012 7:25 PM > > To: tigers@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? > > > > Certainly better looking than what was there before. > > > > https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=735598a95e0c2d86#cid=735598A95E0C2D86&id > > =735598A95E0C2D86%21164 > > > > > > JD > > > > >________________________________ > >This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material >for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the >intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, >distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. >If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender >and delete all copies. > >Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 00:14:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CAB72D0C13 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 00:14:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from defout.telus.net (defout.telus.net [204.209.205.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D9E2D09B3 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 23:46:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from edmwcm03 ([204.209.205.31]) by priv-edmwes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.8.01.03.00 201-2260-125-20100507) with ESMTP id <20121105064736.NAUD10700.priv-edmwes51.telusplanet.net@edmwcm03> for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 23:47:36 -0700 Received: from JimPC ([172.218.150.9]) by edmwcm03 with bizsmtp id Kina1k01Q0CQpFQ01inb7x; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 23:47:35 -0700 cv=fPE9e5lEv2tZUfZ3IqkFJcxzhPTSGjtx+Rsqky3OtVs= c=1 sm=2 a=P-jZfD8heQsA:10 a=kg4CHXgqtSEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=dyTapXDjAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=mriPpF5_PyGdlhSi8NAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=gBw44Nox7VgA:10 From: "jim" To: "'David or Gary'" , References: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 22:47:02 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac27HyTWcfO51MwvQzuY92J3+ejyaQAAYgsg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Possible AMC 5spd at Pick-n-Pull Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The AMC Eagle was basically a 4WD version of the Concord... at least they started off that way... and even though they came out with the 5 speed in '82, they were ALL 4WD. The elusive 5 speed AMC Concord OR Spirit from '82-'83 is the one you want. I've found a couple... but not lately :( Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David or Gary Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 10:04 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Possible AMC 5spd at Pick-n-Pull Hi, I was looking for misc cars parts at the Rancho Cordova Pick-n-Pull, 3419 Sunrise Blvd. (By Sacramento CA.) and ran across a 1982 Eagle 256 6 cyl. with a 5 speed trans, sorry but I forgot to check and see if it was 2WD or 4WD. It was in ROW 075, if anyone wants to check it out. David Franchi _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim@island.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5374 - Release Date: 11/04/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 01:49:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E062D0BE3 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 01:49:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA622D0B72 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 01:31:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from TerriPC ([unknown] [71.109.100.177]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MD000CHQADYP230@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 02:32:24 -0600 (CST) From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 00:32:21 -0800 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac27MBLH+CePio2BTv+yWdYQTs4Rgw== Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In summary, if you have TAC sticker on your rebuilt-by-Nisonger instrument, ship by FedEx to Marc for authentication!?! Actually, this is just a test to see if I can still post to the list;-) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 06:31:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541372D0B60 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 06:31:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E7E2D089F for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 06:09:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id k14so7017819oag.14 for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 05:10:14 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=oOIlpL9JAemsPsHrbtD9YYMl2zQH/HyNMDgtaaZgvtA=; b=h/qXQqGsjdn2T5HIm7DVLbjrTlG3iQNYkpPw5u/IYtohYkH/HTIZ6RhHhZJWBUrZMa CQw4JMPvz2GuxxycDxZDj9ou5NGi5fEXuBKDi1ShzcYUbVv3nQAEwe5VRYdrnxqccCDk EWGwC46PxnVQus7caEvot0SAyQtaQ8nKUfPo6wA/OanZQObWEvJ+nOvmC0V+2+8Qskt8 ZhjM06dM7ByVWrgcDu2Skar/jguj3w0yZWsqA/hIdcWaMl6dkOMloS7l0frUNMlhT093 h5mFonwnm3ceERQVkKUtAQOAZ3mCyksQfnkCmUiokZ0tRsO/XySsLsCy9zqi/lXaZ3WR O/VA== Received: by 10.182.216.69 with SMTP id oo5mr724338obc.45.1352121014120; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 05:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.73.104 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 05:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.73.104 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 05:10:13 -0800 (PST) References: <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E15064B90@OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:10:13 -0500 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: J D Johnson Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net To offer an outside perspective and since I don't know who the plsyers are, this IMHO. I'm here to learn about Tigers because I'm shopping for one. I own a Pantera and 5 other collectable cars, the key part of that is "I OWN". These ae MY cars and if you don't like whaf I've done to them, I don't care. Some of you come across worse than the mean little old ladies in Mayberry who made Aunt Bea cry...shame on you. Do what you want with your car, I saw a beautiful Tiger yesterday at the HHI concours, looked perfect in every way, nice owner who was willing to share and discuss his restoration efforts with photos. I'd be proud to own it, then I'd change it to suit my own desires. Better intake and carb, nicer and more breathable aircleaner assembly And add an MSD ignition system. ( and know that these original parts would be boxed and saved, for I understand that I am merely a caretaker of the car ). Be thankful that anybody is buying, maintaining and restoring these cars and keeping them relevant. Celebrate your shared passions and stop being judgemental. There is room for everybody. The market will always decide values and if you want to make them really valuable, just start buying and crushing them, when you get down to 6 or so, like a Cobra Daytona or 39 like a Ferrari GTO, then you can all count your money and cogratulate yourself that you now own a car that is too valuable to actually drive. Michael On Nov 5, 2012 1:47 AM, "J D Johnson" wrote: > You've got me Theo. If it was, removing it to mount the "advertisement" > doesn't seem too thought out. > > JD > > At 07:12 PM 11/4/2012, Smit, Theo wrote: > >> Hi JD, >> Was that a state DMV issued ID plate? >> >> -Theo >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- >> > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J D Johnson >> > Sent: November 4, 2012 7:25 PM >> > To: tigers@autox.team.net >> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? >> > >> > Certainly better looking than what was there before. >> > >> > https://skydrive.live.com/?**cid=735598a95e0c2d86#cid=** >> 735598A95E0C2D86&id >> > =735598A95E0C2D86%21164 >> > >> > >> > JD >> > >> >> >> ______________________________**__ >> >> This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the >> sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, >> please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this >> e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in >> error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. >> >> Thank you for your cooperation. >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/michael@** > michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 08:50:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9D32D0C5F for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:50:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F64A2D0ADD for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:23:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2EDBC1C000199 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.5]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 05BBFE000082 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:24:18 -0500 (EST) From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com Full-name: FHSLOTH13 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:24:17 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1352129058; bh=fIq7f+1yLO4a/ISzSqVkrmihKNGxsQ2Bs5FHc6s8n3A=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nZJm9/xKqQh5WsZQwodHirphI1ZdK7QytJ+5adINFMF48rs5JUip+0Q36DJdwGPvs yqKtA+f7Q07i0NgRU8iHtAV9wHONdcBINF5iUngz4lty+0RKPJwEymDQGmAGZICx7Q pcTrPW+gHLKtsB/+lAeuWKJqbGHFShIPO7fnA13Q= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c75097da221527 Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I think the main reason a list like this exists is to educate owners (or caretakers, if you must) about the cars and their individual idiosyncracies (sp?) and foibles. Many of the items pointed out on auction listed cars are obvious to most of us, but new to those who just purchased a Tiger or who are thinking about one and want to be informed when they make an offer. I owned (or took care of, if you must) a MKII new off the showroom floor in 1967 with only a radio as an option. I learned about traction bars, 4 bbl carbs and manifolds and Hurst shifters from magazine articles and other Ford 289 owners I knew, as the internet wasn't even a dream then. I now own (or take care of, if you must) a MKI and a MKIA. I have learned so much from the list since its inception that I could not have learned on my own, no matter how many books or magazines I read. I am better educated and my cars are better off for the information provided by the list. My point is that no matter what someone does to their car, they have the right to do it; if you don't like it that's your right and you can choose to ignore the owner and the car. I enjoy my cars for what they are -- pieces of automotive history that I maintain to the best of my abilities. Are they perfect? Absolutely not. Are they fun and enjoyable? Absolutely yes. But they are my cars to do with as I see fit. And constructive criticism is always welcome. Fred Baum 9470768 382002353 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 09:36:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4552D0C50 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 09:36:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78ECD2D0B14 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 09:16:20 -0700 (MST) a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:17 a=253cKie21zsA:10 a=jAXA38P_poEA:10 a=_91Erw2ClAUA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=UMqMU7DhOOsA:10 a=dsVLv6kw_eNMXlskhvYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:117 Received: from [72.224.119.118] ([72.224.119.118:52025] helo=[192.168.1.127]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 16/8B-18765-B96E7905; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:17:32 +0000 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:17:29 -0500 From: Tod Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Everyone: I am one who has been very happy to change things on my Tiger if I think that it improves the car, either functionally or aesthetically, although I recognize that there are those who want everything to be exactly original. As someone said, "it's my car". At the same time, I have noticed that original cars seem to bring higher prices at auction, so maybe there is a lesson there. But one thing we should keep in mind, I think, that explains a lot of the concern about originality among our group is that there are fake Tigers (Algers) out there, which is not the case for a lot of other makes. It is too easy to convert an Alpine into a Tiger and that, of course, debases all our real Tigers. I am glad there are nitpickers out there for it makes it harder to fake a Tiger and I am also grateful for the guys who take the time to put the TAC stickers on our cars, even if they have occasionally missed one or two. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE TAC 0864 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 10:06:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8182D0CBE for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:06:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE152D0A8F for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 09:37:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id qA5GXUVG003022; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:38:46 -0800 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0219.508b1087.1d0fcd; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:38:41 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.149.79]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:38:36 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:38:32 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac27Wfy3TOfNsArHThKIAGWALI/0pgADuKAg engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-11-05_03:2012-11-05,2012-11-05,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1211050162 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Michael Welcome to the world of Sunbeam and the Tigers List. We are an eclectic group stretching around the globe. Personally I too believe that it's your car make it the way that makes you happy and generally we all share that position. I happen to be one who likes the original side point of view but I also have no problem reveling at modifications done by others; that is how we keep this Marque alive and we should all welcome that. We all need to be making our cars more reliable and safer to drive. Basically we welcome all new comers and as you meet more owners you will find we are an enjoyable group. We have Tigers in this group that range from stock original to full out race cars, drag cars and much in between, we welcome them all. We do however have a bit of a hair trigger and sometimes over react with too little evidence when even the hint of fraud arises. There are ALGERs out there and not that we hate them, most are excellent cars. We just hate the misrepresentation and deception. The TAC program of STOA can settle any questions in that respect. If you think we seem bad; try some of the Corvette clubs. I have heard some good stories about how picky they can be but any group can be like that. I just read a story in Hot Rod Magazine about a lady selling '32 Ford steel body parts and she nearly got hate replies that she could not possibly have what she was advertising, she gave up trying to sell it. She advertised a Datsun 240Z engine for sale instead. The gentleman who came to see the 240Z engine saw the '32 body parts and thought it was something special. The '32 body parts were the remains of a famous show car, Sylvester II. The full story is in the Dec 2012 issue. Welcome again, we are here to help but we do get temperamental now and again. I hope your search for a Tiger goes well. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael@michaelshortt.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 8:10 AM To: J D Johnson Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? To offer an outside perspective and since I don't know who the plsyers are, this IMHO. I'm here to learn about Tigers because I'm shopping for one. I own a Pantera and 5 other collectable cars, the key part of that is "I OWN". These ae MY cars and if you don't like whaf I've done to them, I don't care. Some of you come across worse than the mean little old ladies in Mayberry who made Aunt Bea cry...shame on you. Do what you want with your car, I saw a beautiful Tiger yesterday at the HHI concours, looked perfect in every way, nice owner who was willing to share and discuss his restoration efforts with photos. I'd be proud to own it, then I'd change it to suit my own desires. Better intake and carb, nicer and more breathable aircleaner assembly And add an MSD ignition system. ( and know that these original parts would be boxed and saved, for I understand that I am merely a caretaker of the car ). Be thankful that anybody is buying, maintaining and restoring these cars and keeping them relevant. Celebrate your shared passions and stop being judgemental. There is room for everybody. The market will always decide values and if you want to make them really valuable, just start buying and crushing them, when you get down to 6 or so, like a Cobra Daytona or 39 like a Ferrari GTO, then you can all count your money and cogratulate yourself that you now own a car that is too valuable to actually drive. Michael _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 10:25:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411482C0CA5 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:25:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from wh-qmail05.webhero.com (wh-qmail05.webhero.com [209.217.42.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994662D0AC3 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:06:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 22977 invoked by uid 10000); 5 Nov 2012 17:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO HPLaptop) (70.174.45.144) by wh-qmail05.webhero.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2012 17:07:43 -0000 From: To: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 12:07:13 -0500 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac27eAA7+I40dXuPSxqkRsLhoDaAKA== Subject: [Tigers] Tiger dash pad help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Having started restoring my Tiger in the late 1980's and having the restoration delayed by a divorce and moving from FS Bay area to Virginia, I am currently working slowly on the restore 25 years later. All the parts removed were carefully bagged and labeled, but I having trouble remembering how to install certain items especially (today) the dash pad. The dash pad was purchased from my ole buddy rick at SS back when he was first starting up SS in the 80s. I've looked at the known references including the latest CAT manual and can't seem to find any info on stalling the pad. I'd like to finish off the pad so that I can install the windshield frame. Can anyone direct me to instructions for this task or give any insight or advice for this task. By the way, the car received a beautiful finish of Moonstone White in the 80s and it is still as beautiful as the day the car came back from the East Ray hot rod painter. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 10:41:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF362D0AFA for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:41:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from db3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (db3ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B152D0B3B for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:26:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail47-db3-R.bigfish.com (10.3.81.244) by DB3EHSOBE004.bigfish.com (10.3.84.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:27:22 +0000 Received: from mail47-db3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail47-db3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67CDA00AA for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:27:22 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail47-db3: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail47-db3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail47-db3 (MessageSwitch) id 1352136407413400_29449; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DB3EHSMHS004.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.81.229]) by mail47-db3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4052C00BF for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by DB3EHSMHS004.bigfish.com (10.3.87.104) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:26:44 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com (10.2.1.219) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.220) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:26:43 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.3.116]) by OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.1.219]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:26:41 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: TU is back up! Thread-Index: Ac27eril8zAd/hqyQ2GLwJTpCEO2JA== Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:26:41 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.4.6] Subject: [Tigers] TU is back up! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all, Just thought I'd send a note that TigersUnited.com is back from the dead. Many thanks to John Orzechowski for continuing to host Steve's legacy. Cheers, Theo ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 10:54:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114C12D0CB2 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:54:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA292C0AF3 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:28:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id fa10so4472750pad.14 for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 09:29:58 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xmqoOn7qcJvtNMNaoClTgXG5qtTAtOCOwano0BmEgo8=; b=e9DtunVp1nfGKApcNa+dqNNLvYuOmlJupV8kYhYCF3g3XetwDS1corZ85JYAwQm8H5 FoANNhfKLIgloevfXw4MIjyuBPLx2MJbgx/7FGg06tBOK6EueGqdQUoUY85t4aRiLvJc HFWXn/pUmhCjObxzXSL9JQARXSzrGeA3QcZV5aa5fko5j3Pj6gLZs24ZWT0PA3o7qOuD tYNe6d9Wi5Y3B1lJLGkAe2JSMxLpEpq7HLwDn4VnsMB8KcAkxU9ueZbSsIk1bgYYh3cc E9QkXkZtknFpI8rvQWXvTUIg4meyZ7hckX8dequ+GcGMuQeml8kv5KMddtmhfTA+fDeD MkFA== Received: by 10.68.238.199 with SMTP id vm7mr19465346pbc.105.1352136598744; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 09:29:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.131.2 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 09:29:58 -0800 (PST) References: <0C1C3274D42C4BAEA0A93602BF0B1A0A@ronpc1> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 09:29:58 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just pulled up the Hot Rod article. Wow!!! http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/hrdp_1212_1932_ford_roadster_sylvester_iii_rebuilt/ On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Michael > Welcome to the world of Sunbeam and the Tigers List. We are an > eclectic group stretching around the globe. > > Personally I too believe that it's your car make it the way that > makes you happy and generally we all share that position. I happen to be > one who likes the original side point of view but I also have no problem > reveling at modifications done by others; that is how we keep this Marque > alive and we should all welcome that. We all need to be making our cars > more reliable and safer to drive. > > Basically we welcome all new comers and as you meet more owners you > will find we are an enjoyable group. We have Tigers in this group that > range from stock original to full out race cars, drag cars and much in > between, we welcome them all. > > We do however have a bit of a hair trigger and sometimes over react > with too little evidence when even the hint of fraud arises. There are > ALGERs out there and not that we hate them, most are excellent cars. We > just hate the misrepresentation and deception. The TAC program of STOA > can > settle any questions in that respect. > > If you think we seem bad; try some of the Corvette clubs. I have > heard some good stories about how picky they can be but any group can be > like that. > > I just read a story in Hot Rod Magazine about a lady selling '32 > Ford steel body parts and she nearly got hate replies that she could not > possibly have what she was advertising, she gave up trying to sell it. She > advertised a Datsun 240Z engine for sale instead. The gentleman who came > to > see the 240Z engine saw the '32 body parts and thought it was something > special. The '32 body parts were the remains of a famous show car, > Sylvester II. The full story is in the Dec 2012 issue. > > Welcome again, we are here to help but we do get temperamental now and > again. > > I hope your search for a Tiger goes well. > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of michael@michaelshortt.com > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 8:10 AM > To: J D Johnson > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC Sticker? > > > To offer an outside perspective and since I don't know who the plsyers are, > this IMHO. I'm here to learn about Tigers because I'm shopping for one. I > own a Pantera and 5 other collectable cars, the key part of that is "I > OWN". > These ae MY cars and if you don't like whaf I've done to them, I don't > care. > Some of you come across worse than the mean little old ladies in Mayberry > who made Aunt Bea cry...shame on you. Do what you want with your car, I saw > a beautiful Tiger yesterday at the HHI concours, looked perfect in every > way, nice owner who was willing to share and discuss his restoration > efforts > with photos. I'd be proud to own it, then I'd change it to suit my own > desires. Better intake and carb, nicer and more breathable aircleaner > assembly And add an MSD ignition system. ( and know that these original > parts would be boxed and saved, for I understand that I am merely a > caretaker of the car ). Be thankful that anybody is buying, maintaining and > restoring these cars and keeping them relevant. Celebrate your shared > passions and stop being judgemental. There is room for everybody. The > market > will always decide values and if you want to make them really valuable, > just > start buying and crushing them, when you get down to 6 or so, like a Cobra > Daytona or 39 like a Ferrari GTO, then you can all count your money and > cogratulate yourself that you now own a car that is too valuable to > actually > drive. > > Michael > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 11:49:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097B72D0C11 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:49:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD062D0C09 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:28:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id qA5ISd0F024126; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:29:53 -0800 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 401893de) id dm0225.508b1075.1e47ed; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:29:50 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:29:42 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac27eAA7+I40dXuPSxqkRsLhoDaAKAACrk0g engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-11-05_03:2012-11-05,2012-11-05,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1211050196 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger dash pad help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net John There should have been some instructions with the pad. I'm not sure if Rick's online store shows install sheets but worth a look. I have several posts from this list on the subject, you could look in the Archive for them and more. I will gather what I have together and send just to you, posting to the List would probably truncate the notes. There maybe some information on the Tigers United site. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of johnp@ciseast.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 12:07 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger dash pad help Having started restoring my Tiger in the late 1980's and having the restoration delayed by a divorce and moving from FS Bay area to Virginia, I am currently working slowly on the restore 25 years later. All the parts removed were carefully bagged and labeled, but I having trouble remembering how to install certain items especially (today) the dash pad. The dash pad was purchased from my ole buddy rick at SS back when he was first starting up SS in the 80s. I've looked at the known references including the latest CAT manual and can't seem to find any info on stalling the pad. I'd like to finish off the pad so that I can install the windshield frame. Can anyone direct me to instructions for this task or give any insight or advice for this task. By the way, the car received a beautiful finish of Moonstone White in the 80s and it is still as beautiful as the day the car came back from the East Ray hot rod painter. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5875 - Release Date: 11/05/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 12:03:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDD62D0D16 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 12:03:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txlegofep02.suddenlink.net (txlegofep02.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A6A2D0B1E for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:45:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from Roscrea ([74.196.108.150]) by txlegofep02.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.03 201-2219-108-104-20100907) with ESMTP id <20121105184700.NUBM26294.txlegofep02.suddenlink.net@Roscrea> for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 12:47:00 -0600 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "Tiger Autox" Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 12:47:04 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac27hfMecsDFQS4LRwuWGmtrbDbcpw== Content-Language: en-us cv=Y0TEuqUl/KwBSkx9Uz/zJpL4oRqyQ+rtdQH3wDpLaPU= c=1 sm=0 a=xzW3HwPJiLYA:10 a=VPHkNMUpP2kA:10 a=NFfiHSzGpWpsLjyNKLcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=2i_VTDSF5C9bKvvQVQsA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at SEMA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Was very glad to see a Tiger at SEMA this year. A very rare site indeed! It was Dales A's very fine black modified/personalized Tiger. Thanks for showing it Dale! Jerry Christopherson 9473187 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 12:36:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021292D0C64 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 12:36:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5382D0BE2 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 12:07:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id k6so5487934lbo.14 for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:08:46 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=UstLmBn5muHW0arUCAVkH5iwraVtMETnsFAAABTyG/E=; b=TP0A2IdxBjb7yaQlyqyZ33Mmqzblti4JrH7R0RJ/e1G4N42fI56s6lU5yBdr1Q/UHd gzJUwdnG0JsTbdTYQH8WFzW0GraigkrkbubUxXXgjnwY/eZ7gmT2NXzWvxPxXezEt6Kp Bub1ZaRFi8eTk5P5glTnhOG7TEBQomZztwRHza/HuSbPazJBrf3tQbIweoaLnG/60g7F HE8XXHZAJAKqh0QdEfAMwer8wd2FijffX0NzofkPPdlDGprO4sVEDHAgUtR673QvaMPI uVhrGwnoqTF7C5vjr8hLgnRc7zFaSmyI8Pm916yTcv8axXgSyA16RutZRcEn2bpcHH0/ UdXA== Received: by 10.112.31.194 with SMTP id c2mr4192985lbi.44.1352142526274; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:08:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.14.167 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:08:46 -0800 (PST) References: <002501cdbb85$f33873a0$d9a95ae0$@suddenlink.net> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:08:46 -0500 From: Jim Sencindiver To: Jerry Mo Christopherson Cc: Tiger Autox Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at SEMA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Get any photos of the Tiger Jerry? Keep on Tigering! Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On 11/5/12, Jerry Mo Christopherson wrote: > Was very glad to see a Tiger at SEMA this year. A very rare site indeed! > It > was Dales A's very fine black modified/personalized Tiger. > > > > Thanks for showing it Dale! > > > > Jerry Christopherson > > 9473187 > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 12:37:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501932D0CCD for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 12:37:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0092D0C66 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 12:19:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id va7so7416378obc.14 for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:20:59 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=X11+NlHkKUUgrppA5r4s6Dx5DMhgc9pNAi4PumNVZTk=; b=jkP26sjtN7F9NVyVqAqhIcpvtSwHRHZiJiwtM4msfTQ5ssgS4pLwLX1AbaSMKGZvAb iOFkDjT50xvyUTYmdgCON4822pY9JH5AuFwA9iHELHb15pX/q1CJSeqsftC+5TkVFMYA CqnUf0F5C8GgUfAhPMZm7ND6kwzqpVowh7Tx4mtp2RlxyLZo0SErOFN6S167t297/+Ge pkyfizbHl1tnTdJKIwjyxrbrWUycBVkiebaqkAxeAlbZz97oBtHA9dDEVry605FDVVLw idm4W6bVgfJ8tMH9LI49NRv3uyipmgoUIY3Cc0oM6KSgaDvBQVgKEmtrG+TEEBJjpgdG EKdw== Received: by 10.60.32.178 with SMTP id k18mr8887488oei.8.1352143259174; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.73.104 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:20:38 -0800 (PST) From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:20:38 -0500 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Jackets For Sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have just delivered another round of Detomaso Pantera Jackets to another dozen or so Pantera owners, see them here www.michaelspantera.com/jacketoffer.html If 24 of you Tiger owners step up, I can design a jacket for you as well and have them to you by Christmas. Sunbeam across the top, Tiger across the bottom, a Car in the middle in your choice of color. Please respond ASAP if interested to this email, simply say count me in, if enough folks chime in, I'll proceed with artwork, then solicit actually orders. Michael While I'm still shopping for my own Tiger, I'm reminded of my 2 Spitfires and 3 TR-6 cars in college, almost never had the tops up, even in the coldest weather, just wore a nice jacket and went fast enough to keep the rain off. -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 12:44:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4302D0C9B for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 12:44:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm34-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm34-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4872D02EF for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 12:29:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2012 19:30:28 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.233] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2012 19:30:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2012 19:30:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 33564 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2012 19:30:28 -0000 s=s1024; t=1352143828; bh=qGmyITKK+xDQhEVcugnaxMIOERBD3QhoF8iDlZqPpzI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5szVaGL3GGvgyWTCPaYnyKV970IUHYcDPBuY4KHw3FjcGR3fWiIHjeV8qGSMuoHzBvzb/G0OxCsx/iBKebdUWDNliHUPKjx+0DQUE5A6yVPnKc3oaHVp2SDFhClcAUbq3tVmCgaA6L+mk2Fi/kg6bfEjWL2wqZU3fO754JaFHr8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YGhHYbhJkI4QDkJTCMIaigVahGwd/r9MTH9RsirSR2W0Ri6lUbIvFO1/K90cGRX4f9jDPQ3oS7/tXJax5ZGFGz7nWeOOK+loYRHFeNuPCo8fv7FGkWbkk+6+sUPxNQbDqYJUizxxklPFajc1PzVyaEcTY8qsFZTTMQ05k0b3zzA=; GbbJkG8bV7NFQ3heWtQy6hDnl2oPHRw.H9qUOQnLTjMLGdZnvrWzVkjsu5ch sL.IcV__SVtEtyKCSgl0SRU5XJe6wMpbl.5uyF.vImPBfK2.1xNRjv1l06NS Gq30cs9zv91kluFMNHO.VkXozC1fvmhcu55OF.bvQu9PeWVzwlLtswql3Uhi Npd4WvW7vDJvlqOloPaKO6eCPNqeQViwiChEnFT8VQv_wNqXRKkp61cJQ8.7 UF9PMW83CEsqgVeM6y9S5TeQYoDpkOt.0JpBU1qcNQhuirU.kBDZLlzsJLde ygQ4m.N2PfOKDqqOSLhFQGQOnhlPSReTfDi.qHumBB7rHVQKUtwvohdohr7C .hPtUuEb7uRzG0YwBKT_3jZOSHv3xo63tJKKFHeyWD8Ux1yOMsCzeTpl2gId wI6BmlzkzxwH016YDREV0sDWVN64hzF0q8wK9gRoz.2l4j_Ebz.lkJ7k71oO s93CaQ4bCJmx1EdbOkMqGkyYHd7vT2iUNleAJ5z4QwPGrctsF0wD_hZtdubA Gpz6e1Un2_8OhAh9w5CMi Received: from [12.233.136.66] by web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:30:28 PST QW55IHBpY3Mgb25saW5lPyBXb3VsZCBiZSBncmVhdCBmb3IgRGFsZSB0byBnZXQgd2lkZXIgcmVjb2duaXRpb24uLi4gZXNwZWNpYWxseSBmb3IgdGhvc2Ugb2YgdXMgd2l0aCBjYXJzIGhlIGJ1aWx0LyDCoDspCgpTdGVwaGVuIFdheWJyaWdodAoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBKZXJyeSBNbyBDaHJpc3RvcGhlcnNvbiA8SkNNQzIwMDZAc3VkZGVubGluay5uZXQ.ClRvOiBUaWdlciBBdXRveCA8VElHRVJTQEFVVE9YLlRFQU0uTkVUPiAKU2VudDogTW9uZGF5LCBOb3YBMAEBAQE- References: <002501cdbb85$f33873a0$d9a95ae0$@suddenlink.net> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:30:28 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Waybright To: Jerry Mo Christopherson , Tiger Autox Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at SEMA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Any pics online? Would be great for Dale to get wider recognition... especially for those of us with cars he built/ ;) Stephen Waybright ________________________________ From: Jerry Mo Christopherson To: Tiger Autox Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 12:47 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at SEMA Was very glad to see a Tiger at SEMA this year. A very rare site indeed! It was Dales A's very fine black modified/personalized Tiger. Thanks for showing it Dale! Jerry Christopherson 9473187 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 14:00:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80182D0B4A for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:00:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC972D0A82 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:36:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from TerriPC ([unknown] [71.109.100.177]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MD100J2R7YIL0N0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:37:31 -0600 (CST) From: "Kirk Smith" To: References: <002501cdbb85$f33873a0$d9a95ae0$@suddenlink.net> <1352143828.27482.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:37:26 -0800 Thread-index: Ac27j6vCRCDZy+v1Stu1ESKDrl8WIQABYMew Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at SEMA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Here's a pic I took of the car at TU Long Beach...I think Dale is going for some kind of prize at SEMA: http://tinypic.com/4duk8ens -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Waybright Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 11:30 AM To: Jerry Mo Christopherson; Tiger Autox Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at SEMA Any pics online? Would be great for Dale to get wider recognition... especially for those of us with cars he built/ ;) Stephen Waybright ________________________________ From: Jerry Mo Christopherson To: Tiger Autox Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 12:47 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at SEMA Was very glad to see a Tiger at SEMA this year. A very rare site indeed! It was Dales A's very fine black modified/personalized Tiger. Thanks for showing it Dale! Jerry Christopherson 9473187 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 14:50:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6F92D0B60 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:50:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E312D0B62 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:31:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2012 21:32:21 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.4] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2012 21:32:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2012 21:32:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 37404 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2012 21:32:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1352151141; bh=0eCWg5wTPNrDJnR8G7TxUeMIMUSupMnFU/eyEP+TEYc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BZS2YGmgKIXgaziGH+H+i4fSAdWbfQ1SNnrxPIafDOP/Z/2+22UcCJ2Zh0rg/m+hIYnfAv+nUJwRy7GV4acJxqehRHLxNlVbTR7KreVAbWEiFoEvNHgQtU3F1zCzhjLH4U+I+hCdZVjQngkiurRUY+GUSrJrj5ZNPZ0Vi20Ydos= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W9KgGrbrD5B3BVJTv6F4SU08k3QkPC5ox7CO0w0qMuRgFbOCis42Bo+XuJZd0KUmsaoUUpevG/iZo+iW8Yx5goAGSGwP2EL1omimT1wAAvqCjKUk5cAuGAq7LTXyKv17vwkdNireN0M/Dg+Ut/uOtGCd6z5SaFYZSfnonLN6sYE=; EY6IeRCBfEeXqRfTrjim_wS.MCk5pv9xigA1_Z7pNXG4SJ.kc5DIDfcEp32O _58eV5SAsnf2vOy_PmIo2PytpzHIxFGtSWkNcGF54orggk9Ln4N3R5tp0Ecv _AaqbgiUroUooQPswdpr2ncLOgbqqo1OIgQc8g11bJUIw9FS0H2LrBrVJXVX fP26AP0nO_hfAYgzkvJM4ZWeoRl0Z_yv1mnZKSaRIUKsG0qIXn4YU0UndolP 75G64btJOY7_myon360DUh48AROYxK9QFZ4VUcU2sCh3mi6jMP_0X7RwmpZe owa3.R.7SwlZ9k3MsKCU778say852tIivengcjsmLzTSJdMXNbKUgoY6bhWr zMl5FU7oEEb4dHbXlFjNZKOHpp7Cc86FAv7G.gGZ8WjcsVD.EfLuwb.dobI4 bxhaA2YF4wAIZotsKHZjSfBKXYRl.nrZ6P9gc3nDit7D9xUykL7bVKETLvff 0zqB45Wa2nlvbxgaaNhPJHPCoB6FImJt.hxJ5D4GwHsqrfuOAPnXwyE_PURe 51K.h9hNT8XcQrLC21Y31tEcoCqm9KMHf1LEFmH1yj9gl6cDwwSpE1HhzZN5 Co4tY9BaTWDOrMWmxfxM1iaErAw-- Received: from [12.233.136.66] by web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:32:21 PST SSB3YXMgYWN0dWFsbHkgaW50ZXJlc3RlZCB0byBzZWUgcGljcyBvZiB0aGUgZGlzcGxheSBAIFNFTUEgaWYgYW55b25lIGhhcyBzb21ldGhpbmcuCgpTdGVwaGVuIFdheWJyaWdodAoKCkZyb206IEtpcmsgU21pdGggPHR3b3RpZ2Vyc0B2ZXJpem9uLm5ldD4KVG86IHRpZ2Vyc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCAKU2VudDogTW9uZGF5LCBOb3ZlbWJlciA1LCAyMDEyIDI6MzcgUE0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFtUaWdlcnNdIFRpZ2VyIGF0IFNFTUEKIApIZXJlJ3MgYSBwaWMgSSB0b29rIG9mIHRoZSBjYXIgYXQgVFUgTG8BMAEBAQE- References: <002501cdbb85$f33873a0$d9a95ae0$@suddenlink.net> <1352143828.27482.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000001cdbb95$5ee24220$1ca6c660$@net> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:32:21 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Waybright To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at SEMA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I was actually interested to see pics of the display @ SEMA if anyone has something. Stephen Waybright From: Kirk Smith To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at SEMA Here's a pic I took of the car at TU Long Beach...I think Dale is going for some kind of prize at SEMA: http://tinypic.com/4duk8ens -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Waybright Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 11:30 AM To: Jerry Mo Christopherson; Tiger Autox Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at SEMA Any pics online? Would be great for Dale to get wider recognition... especially for those of us with cars he built/ ;) Stephen Waybright ________________________________ From: Jerry Mo Christopherson To: Tiger Autox Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 12:47 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at SEMA Was very glad to see a Tiger at SEMA this year. A very rare site indeed! It was Dales A's very fine black modified/personalized Tiger. Thanks for showing it Dale! Jerry Christopherson 9473187 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 16:22:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6664F2D0C09 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:22:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD022D0C09 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:00:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Kmv01k0030QuhwU55z1dAe; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:01:37 +0000 Received: from sz0112.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Kz101k0142xV5no3Nz10aE; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:01:00 +0000 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 23:01:57 +0000 (UTC) From: George Re To: Tigers Subject: [Tigers] TAC'ed ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi my question is I live in the North East area (New York) and now that I have completed my Tiger restoration I would like to get my car TAC'ed how would I go about this? Thanks in advance George Re _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 16:53:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D792A2D0B65 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:53:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D232D0D4A for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:25:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D86811C000054; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 18:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mld003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mld003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.122.81]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6DE8AE000082; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 18:26:17 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 18:26:17 -0500 (EST) To: mgman71@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1352157977; bh=OaJkmZs7OfDsfYmdvfvtBEiB2ImEbTJyHSnzBHWuqqw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iT/Za8t7qIeXeq7bGA+1LzHcGQfdGLiFjlsVCrkErxn+r7ubuMRxeLjLzu0EpBTN3 AnxRUfOvilbps1qYl69/kKNW7ubvn/z4R0XTYGiKcWTHgT5yT6uu8L97+cnk1DSxhU fd2K8ZwMUl3j3YclqeOGHCoU8LgtP4RFpDakHYm0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a50984b19174f Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC'ed ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, a TAC'ing session for New England in the summer would be nice. In a message dated 11/5/2012 6:23:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mgman71@comcast.net writes: Hi my question is I live in the North East area (New York) and now that I have completed my Tiger restoration I would like to get my car TAC'ed how would I go about this? Thanks in advance George Re _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 17:26:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C602D09B1 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:26:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFFF72D0ABE for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:01:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id va7so7713394obc.14 for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:03:11 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=4J67u6M7EkdpPW+kpYuQ0CNJ6Nvnu8FitZBlJWfIJow=; b=0eWfiIY974KJuP6mSUa6GBAABcLqqSCa0ZBtKhA8gMaXIaU3GsiRiOaGaSFz8VZIN/ UXDAF0ydtTMSBhKqNLU3pHOtHOlRHHnPnZy5zM9y7Jm+yPpFxuNpKtRaqdqJ8HgBfTIU XTHxqU/qgea5ciDZVkWaqATOfrfsAO/fLRub6tNP3QHGikNo/o5ivQlYFFSMLEwPd9Qa IYvu5xmQnYaleIQMRblgyKcmAEyMyUFhWVewnr8nho9pLi4q7Q5VC8CFoFTXaNWCklax oLYZNxvGCj4xZSdlaz3UlVQTWGCQA5rcC8bAxOI6n4kpJxCbUnLP7hO/xl/MDc/6CF5x 6DCg== Received: by 10.182.64.101 with SMTP id n5mr9201793obs.11.1352160191110; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:03:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.121.74 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:03:11 -0800 (PST) References: <2bf0c.5ea92d49.3dc9a518@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 19:03:11 -0500 From: Jim Sencindiver To: CoolVT@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC'ed ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Next years TE/AE United should be in the Mid-Atlantic region. We usually have a TAC session coincidnet with the United. If that is too long to wait, go to the STOA web site and contact the TAC Chairman to request an inspection. He may be able to arrange it. Keep on Tigering! Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:26 PM, wrote: > Yes, a TAC'ing session for New England in the summer would be nice. > > > > In a message dated 11/5/2012 6:23:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mgman71@comcast.net writes: > > Hi my question is I live in the North East area (New York) and now that I > have completed my Tiger restoration I would like to get my car TAC'ed how > would I go about this? > > Thanks in advance > George Re > _______________________________________________ > > -- _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 21:00:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE542D0AA1 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 21:00:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114C12C0B3A for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 20:34:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hq7so2926776wib.2 for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:35:23 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zVmglgokXCYWg/6LJxRzSEZ+FWG2lmEXLX98gHbmHpg=; b=psKAETOGDZtMuQ+bQ/6D+RAlYWE7Hrg1Atekenj7zmS9kZ1qZwmHLoRMJ+tLiRvg7l q4v0z292r+XAu/e4YfnnNXhVXSOp1H1Pd6Qj2hW7hMU/5EYbZ0IcvCPo/OUKJTMxxlP9 oA70Qdq72W/2sh0QVoRrei3Vbjr9W7eSqI2hHHBtIANkSPVDHJEVszWT2Yiv2i8pW+KX WW1xHlEVR/ocpyf3FyP3/JoLq2yqRD8Topq4bN2jfotVRARbVmwfOrhoOhG8qzj0u0yt nrl0vqfNGViQxKu0w6zayRe8YkqX4zimA6ZG00W3Cs2PLDgxewtZUjsR7w7NcVJfC38z 7enA== Received: by 10.180.101.165 with SMTP id fh5mr16089310wib.7.1352172923480; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.216.31 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 19:35:23 -0800 (PST) References: <2bf0c.5ea92d49.3dc9a518@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 22:35:23 -0500 From: Jeffery Randall To: Jim Sencindiver Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC'ed ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net One of mine should be ready by Spring I to would be on for that. Jeff On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Jim Sencindiver wrote: > Next years TE/AE United should be in the Mid-Atlantic region. We usually > have a TAC session coincidnet with the United. > > If that is too long to wait, go to the STOA web site and contact the TAC > Chairman to request an inspection. He may be able to arrange it. > > Keep on Tigering! > > Jim Sencindiver > > B382100451/TAC 448 > http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:26 PM, wrote: > > > Yes, a TAC'ing session for New England in the summer would be nice. > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/5/2012 6:23:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > mgman71@comcast.net writes: > > > > Hi my question is I live in the North East area (New York) and now that > I > > have completed my Tiger restoration I would like to get my car TAC'ed > how > > would I go about this? > > > > Thanks in advance > > George Re > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 21:19:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0F02D0DDE for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 21:19:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4382D0A8C for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 20:53:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id rq2so72531pbb.14 for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:54:31 -0800 (PST) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=9H7I5tj48VelUMSIzUGSo+tkBptPOOwLAjD331K7qnU=; b=LMRvoEaE3DNMjZLw3EvEGfnJfEAUggF2ixxaC20BQE1YKxe8fStRx+dN6pjbMhnxRh UIeT5fmRRhtcbtO2O4zZNg9c7fWkCIZkM4bU9lPEaaoIwKJKUJP84KmdpQjV7xZYmbBD 0hr6WYaoGe2Jo2A2E9CGj3EJas4qFzTKViAwjgOeU6bBHQAkz5lo9FTLKhqHMW9NEetJ Ee4mJhatacnacwlFCzJj7kJ3qpJZP4WeacOQoNWYouUCYu6XAzeliLgwv/XcZHsv6y6d jAYMd1dEDw2h8rZG+rFtntGl9Wmb8UjwvmVYUqmhx598jbvX7Qe7afaxROLRvXbucfFx X1Kg== Received: by 10.68.235.2 with SMTP id ui2mr36280142pbc.163.1352174071794; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n11sm11595729pby.67.2012.11.05.19.54.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:54:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jay Laifman Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 19:54:33 -0800 To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] It's all in the numbers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I was thinking about the whole Alger issue. We all know the problem isn't the conversion, but the fraud in trying to pass off an Alpine as a Tiger. But, putting that aside, I was thinking about why is it such an issue in the Tiger world and not in the Porsche world where 912s are converted to 911s, 911s converted to rare Carreras, 914s converted to 914-6s? Then I realized it is just all about 2 little rivets. All these other cars have VINs stamped in multiple places. Sure there are people who cut out Porsche stamped areas and weld them or try to alter and restamp areas. But that is the rare exception. I'm sure I'm not educating anyone here. It is just interesting to point out why the Tiger community might need to behave differently than most other marques, and why we look to lumpy welds and holes in odd places. And at the end of the day, I'd MUCH rather be looking at Tuesday Welds :-) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 6 05:14:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B942D2D0C8B for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 05:14:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382DE2D0B9B for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 04:48:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:49:28 -0500 From: "rande" To: mgman71@comcast.net Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 06:49:28 -0500 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] TACing in New York Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, TACing a car on demand in either New England or New York is a little difficult, as there needs to be three inspectors to certify a car, and I am the only one near you for the present. We have a complete team in the Washington DC area, and another in Florida. I will pass your request along to the senior inspector near DC, to see what we can arrange for you and others in the same area. And, as Jim S. wrote, we will be having a group TACing session at next years TEAE United in the Mid-Atlantic area Fall 2013. Rande Bellman TAC Inspector Boston _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 6 06:50:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364832D0CB4 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 06:50:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D0F2D0A3D for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 06:28:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 08:29:30 -0500 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:29:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Judgemental Tiger group Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, I'm singling you out because I think you raised the issue of how judgemental folks in this usergroup seem to be. First, let me be one of the first longtimers on this list to tell you point blank that any of us will be glad to tell you pretty much anything you need to know to help your Tiger purchase along. We can't go into the the line by line specifics of what TAC looks at, but you can feel safe in asking for and getting expert advice, and when possible, accompanying you to look at a car. I've been to many Uniteds on both coasts and met owners, I've subscribed to this list for years, and I might have a different view of this group. With the postings of the last month, I can see where you might get a different take. In particular, the car with the cowl-mounted TAC plate raised some issues mainly because,for me, this was the very first instance that I saw something like this, and as a TAC inspector, it raises some issues. I think in the discussions of original versus personalized versus modified, I find Tiger owners more open to changes than, I'll say, Corvette folks. I encourage you to stick with us. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 6 08:23:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7952D0CBE for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:23:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FA92D0ABF for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 07:57:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 10so913174ied.14 for ; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:58:59 -0800 (PST) h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type :mime-version; bh=aYwzYxg83YOHBISngC6YODtyCjSrAqsQYWTFwbfinlE=; b=QNZCEkJb3NVy17xogdDcRAlRBSaYw+ThV0BpHsQUAyGfxjccU8ulAFZJ0R202wZv5d FTz7ea+4444GHFMooLH8CMCVivnG+h8uEToS5dqJGdSNM2CmybkVpaos7Otlxqw3lC+C uGRcJy6bfQDw0nVJhLAGzBuMJZb3usCJlXedg= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type :mime-version:x-gm-message-state; bh=aYwzYxg83YOHBISngC6YODtyCjSrAqsQYWTFwbfinlE=; b=kMxbSHtFmQycU4allCY/n+3kRa3amLpo5ydw/TVMKWPviLL3rYU6faW9cMhIPjZvJk uxtQmc8u6zLUj+C+hGUpUtwLxMNXcW+CmkKth6Ohxictm0m/YC4D9Zl2U+uOtRlH6qkZ sQX1xzpPpwCSoYRXG9tHzX+y/imqFNkxpQYMOmK8m5++WTbEIRxScvmChr/hc45yf+cz YzrQgSvvE/CKTgbsWaVSU2e0kXZdED2bQP666RG+xc0lg+XIo/BsbpSydAk9sIx8u/FH Ar31yYwpoqyDNt7mSzX0qRJDmAqyCCmM+WPs99/Fbv3RGC0XzXU7YFTH4CeAWrl9u8hQ KW2A== Received: by 10.50.180.226 with SMTP id dr2mr7380348igc.9.1352213939256; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.29.205.203 (bda-74-82-82-170.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.82.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wh5sm8193212igb.17.2012.11.06.06.58.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:58:58 -0800 (PST) Sensitivity: Normal To: rande@thecia.net,tigers@autox.team.net From: dave@munroe.ca Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:58:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Judgemental Tiger group Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yes Mike (and all); Let me jump in here and sing a song of praise for the vast majority of the enthusiasts that populate this List. I was not as smart as you - I didn't find these very helpful and enthusiastic Listers until AFTER I had bought my flawed, but as it fortunately turned out, very "real" Tiger. It was cosmetically very attractive, but mechanically a disaster. Not only was it fitted with a replacement engine, but it was missing its irreplaceable VIN plate. Needless to say, when I discovered the importance of this plate to its present and future value, I realised a lot of irrefutable truths about my car: I likely had paid too much for it, it was possibly not an authentic Tiger, it would likely be nearly impossible to restore it to anything like its "original" condition, and I would be forever banished to the outer periphery of the Tiger community with this ultimately flawed spawn of the Rootes group at Tiger gatherings. Fortunately, my car did eventually pass a TAC inspection. Well, it was an eye opener to discover that this group of internet friends were not only open to whatever "personalization", safety or comfort modifications I decided to make to my car, but they were willing to help with answers to my endless questions, technical road blocks, supply sources, etc along with suggestions from many who had been there and done that. Several actually sent me parts I was missing for free (!) And others who had skills and sources provided me with the fruits of their labour for a very reasonable price. Rather that isolating me for the non-standard modifications I was forced to make, they embraced and celebrated my evolving and personalised Tiger. In fact it is one of the more endearing qualities of this List's culture that accepts the difficulty of taking back to "as manufactured" specification of many of these cars, and that a modified Tiger on the road is better than no Tiger on the road at all. Deception is the one issue that is not tolerated, as it should not be. So if you are intent on finding a real Tiger you will find no more helpful group than this, and "after purchase" assistance to make it whatever you want it to be - from concours trailer queen to full race and everything in between! FWIW, Dave ------Original Message------ From: rande To: tigers@autox.team.net ReplyTo: rande@thecia.net Subject: [Tigers] Judgemental Tiger group Sent: 6 Nov 2012 9:29 AM Mike, I'm singling you out because I think you raised the issue of how judgemental folks in this usergroup seem to be. First, let me be one of the first longtimers on this list to tell you point blank that any of us will be glad to tell you pretty much anything you need to know to help your Tiger purchase along. We can't go into the the line by line specifics of what TAC looks at, but you can feel safe in asking for and getting expert advice, and when possible, accompanying you to look at a car. I've been to many Uniteds on both coasts and met owners, I've subscribed to this list for years, and I might have a different view of this group. With the postings of the last month, I can see where you might get a different take. In particular, the car with the cowl-mounted TAC plate raised some issues mainly because,for me, this was the very first instance that I saw something like this, and as a TAC inspector, it raises some issues. I think in the discussions of original versus personalized versus modified, I find Tiger owners more open to changes than, I'll say, Corvette folks. I encourage you to stick with us. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 6 08:41:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD1D2D0C84 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:41:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668892D0AD4 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:11:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 145431C00007A; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mla001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.79]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D67A2E00008A; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:12:43 -0500 (EST) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:12:43 -0500 (EST) To: rande@thecia.net, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1352214764; bh=tMMUcj27taWE8gqtf7zW5zbNZjn4BngjUiUBmSRaQPM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tcZK/gAkgy3BoayeTUkxUCvqDT1lZ2dT2M6urpHwW0tiYUJnGtD6P+f7UzOdrr2Pm qVAwD6iA0kIB+3zx3xsWp1D6WHDp2+NOKUJ7WAjVT1HHegw7uWyV/vzktbDNKkctNt G2FLIYQQJ2ChY1N8OBMCxxnPq7hPBzhjD7Vl0o1s= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb509928eb7fa3 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Judgemental Tiger group Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net As there are two "Mikes" involved in this thread, I'm hoping you are alluding to the other one...;-) I'm one of the first dozen or so qualified to serve as a TAC inspector, going back nearly twenty years ago when the broader Tiger community was not 100% sure TAC was even a good idea, and also served as President of STOA during that timeframe. I've interacted with many (many) Tiger owners, prospective owners and former owners over the years and stand by my opinion that this mailing list tends to be "ready, fire, aim" when it comes to passing judgement. If your message was directed at the other "Mike", I'd agree that TAC is an invaluable component in choosing a suitable car. I also can see where the idea of a display plate, to advertise TAC status, is something to consider. Mike (Wood) In a message dated 11/6/2012 5:52:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rande@thecia.net writes: Mike, I'm singling you out because I think you raised the issue of how judgemental folks in this usergroup seem to be. First, let me be one of the first longtimers on this list to tell you point blank that any of us will be glad to tell you pretty much anything you need to know to help your Tiger purchase along. We can't go into the the line by line specifics of what TAC looks at, but you can feel safe in asking for and getting expert advice, and when possible, accompanying you to look at a car. I've been to many Uniteds on both coasts and met owners, I've subscribed to this list for years, and I might have a different view of this group. With the postings of the last month, I can see where you might get a different take. In particular, the car with the cowl-mounted TAC plate raised some issues mainly because,for me, this was the very first instance that I saw something like this, and as a TAC inspector, it raises some issues. I think in the discussions of original versus personalized versus modified, I find Tiger owners more open to changes than, I'll say, Corvette folks. I encourage you to stick with us. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 6 09:12:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D3B2D0CB6 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 09:12:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from wh-qmail03.webhero.com (wh-qmail03.webhero.com [209.217.42.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2545E2D0884 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:42:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 9552 invoked by uid 10000); 6 Nov 2012 15:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO HPLaptop) (70.174.45.144) by wh-qmail03.webhero.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2012 15:44:05 -0000 From: To: "'John P CIS East'" , Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:43:58 -0500 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac27eAA7+I40dXuPSxqkRsLhoDaAKAAvB2MA Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger dash pad help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net WOW!! Thanks to all of your quick and informative response to my dash pad problem. I received responses from Ron, Tom, Chris, Graham, Paul and Rande with great tips and set of detailed instructions. Ron even sent a summation of all forum articles. I did as suggested and first called Rick McLeod at SS (where I bought the pad about 25 years ago) and Rick emailed the instruction sheet while we spoke on the phone. This help is exactly why this forum is so important to all of us. I will be forwarding all of the information received to Greg who has this same dilemma. Thanks again. John Procida Virginia Beach, VA. USA _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 6 09:12:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBF72D0D41 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 09:12:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C562D095F for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:44:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 10:45:14 -0500 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:45:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Cars to TAC in NE/NY area Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Some of you asked to have TAC inspections. I have George Re and Tym McDowell, am I missing anyone else, before I send a list to the senior inspector? Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 9 11:29:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2D02D053D for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:29:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AB42D0232 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id qA9I6CH2009396 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:06:12 -0500 Received: from core-mfd001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.120.67]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 996FDE000081 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:06:12 -0500 (EST) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:06:12 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1352484372; bh=SJHVbFjKIvz523WSlQ0cyomPywu0PSWKvDuuA3jn9rE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vx8AOK/J1ccHlS3MAJyYP2o5HP+Hvn+LLtg2MtQLLyQWygv1WsBklbDO45pYkRz1o F5CbHrtNlrhvF9OQcDOgD7nEEnS/qHNDysNbogL2nQ3aVquYIH7Dae1FdE1PcRX7ND hMbY/gOUzjZLcqeb7ZlfJxllEZsxNQ/oIWpDPCpA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a509d4614123b Subject: [Tigers] Water Wetter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Friend came by and the conversation went to aluminum radiators. He claims that getting a pinhole in one leads to replacing the radiator as they can not be repaired. He told me of an old racer that only shows his car 2-3 times a year and then sits in the garage. The owner of this uses distilled water and Water Wetter and states that there will be no corrosion problems with this in his aluminum radiator and heads. List what do you think? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 9 12:03:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CFC2D0690 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:03:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9E42D0346 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:45:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from BucksLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.229.205]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MD800JISHGW3E70@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:46:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Buck Trippel" To: , References: <82b2.725c39a2.3dcea014@aol.com> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:46:06 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Wetter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net We do the same as your friend with our race tiger. 10 years and no problems with just distilled water and Water Wetter in an aluminum radiator. That being said, Dale prefers Neo's "Keep Cool". http://www.bakerprecision.com/neo/keepcool.htm bt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:06 AM Subject: [Tigers] Water Wetter > Friend came by and the conversation went to aluminum radiators. He claims > that getting a pinhole in one leads to replacing the radiator as they can > not be repaired. He told me of an old racer that only shows his car 2-3 > times > a year and then sits in the garage. The owner of this uses distilled > water > and Water Wetter and states that there will be no corrosion problems with > this in his aluminum radiator and heads. List what do you think? > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 9 12:26:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B212D07D6 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:26:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm39-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CB52D0222 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:01:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm39.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2012 19:02:23 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.105] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2012 19:02:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2012 19:02:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 90193 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2012 19:02:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1352487742; bh=calYEeVDGl6HYnzADGLxlHjHH6hQM4BDNDZcOl0ZLUY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cphCPOqoctvgLdMRg0IiRUpqeAnxmKk2k6bL3UGb6fumWV0qqdNxsIPV5L5U7lFWXujDiXsBIa/gOBgkGp59Gcw+4Puz//rJCNGUzGQbW8wZUksLvmB2CC+fRDMyaaKSVPneb7Jdkdoc5LaoXMH4eIm1NwZGMCh7nvxiNgbZpYU= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nAFdg07RvZrpt1cVztz+FZM019GNpcTWaxPyHQwxgBQdrXIVnPW9CIq0403jbM1M2eqFvCt7KozPIt0IJpq06nMkj0oLom/8EA79TJppZubeLP0QcqcTcEOVzg7OIjOsLZBkX/nfuMQmy5oUtIXm5fVy3Jhp4uahSjifd5WORCA=; K.lZ29sAHg7xtVlb8P7dDis16BMhKa.fd2NdsT7Q4dRLebo_nnARIyYRItyi AiBPYAP_QpY4JwXZUeMrUJvcoZC3rnVygoYHuu0F7fV8wU8Ltgy0.lBSEFNB ZuySkzMEsL7gL31rDCzap0idblY7FXulZGpqxlQqlRDKaiJZqALQT2U75hWn V0jf.lNma.svVbjl7ZmigO3gdeS8PFMQwExIDOH2_FxX4XxILFVMDocBkGMd ylg3IT5fnrZ1e5.1bnIMFpdJ8YZdrTs5DF1.P9otUhztHyVpoVSj11S.n4e9 d6PMt9jzfgQZk3ibZp8p850R5ofN_3_rr5_WelDocuUyPeMkcPwoTxNmVoEb SxCpiA3NpzMBQqn1idxoL0pDzkzcl_3snrOKutd9k3JZnjGbMyn4bZlro5Aw SXycs4WpZHYcaDpk4fpXCm0LiFMq0njB76y6Lg3Z6rUU5qd62_uGM8aitNVU qeP_z3E4T0bZ8UtvuA1WT7hJXooPeM6OyiRWBEuEijLMxjUInjFMpTQ-- Received: from [71.80.161.49] by web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 11:02:22 PST RG9uJ3Qga25vdyBpZiBnb29kIG9yIGJhZCwgYnV0IHdoYXQgSSBoYXZlIGlzIGFuIGFsdW1pbnVtIGZsdWlkeW5lIGluIG15IG11c3RhbmcgCihhbHVtaW51bSBibG9jay9oZWFkcykgYW5kIHJ1biBkaXN0aWxsZWQgd2F0ZXIgYW5kIHdhdGVyd2V0dGVyIG9ubHkgaW4gdGhlIApzeXN0ZW0uIEhhdmUgYmVlbiBydW5uaW5nIHRoYXQgZm9yIGFib3V0IDEwIHllYXJzLiBIYXZlIG5vdCBoYWQgYSBwcm9ibGVtIHdpdGggCmVpdGhlciBvZiB0aGUgcmFkaWF0b3JzIHRoYXQgSSBoYXZlIGhhZCBpbiB0aGUgY2FyICgBMAEBAQE- References: <82b2.725c39a2.3dcea014@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:02:22 -0800 (PST) From: Sandy Ganz To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Wetter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Don't know if good or bad, but what I have is an aluminum fluidyne in my mustang (aluminum block/heads) and run distilled water and waterwetter only in the system. Have been running that for about 10 years. Have not had a problem with either of the radiators that I have had in the car (Upgraded to a larger). It gets flushed now and again due to an engine mishap but seems to be a good solution for me. For iron block folks not sure how much protection the WW will give, each brand seems to have some different claims but can't say how they work in iron for corosion. Water and Water Wetter has proven to be the best for cooling in the race car. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "AAAGLASSS@aol.com" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, November 9, 2012 10:30:37 AM Subject: [Tigers] Water Wetter Friend came by and the conversation went to aluminum radiators. He claims that getting a pinhole in one leads to replacing the radiator as they can not be repaired. He told me of an old racer that only shows his car 2-3 times a year and then sits in the garage. The owner of this uses distilled water and Water Wetter and states that there will be no corrosion problems with this in his aluminum radiator and heads. List what do you think? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 9 12:49:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A462D06D2 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:49:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634802C0CC3 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:27:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id k14so5373055oag.14 for ; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 11:28:49 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Nwr3LYjA2AA0MN7jHMyeu8nfCx9N/NY2ksNpCRfYoyM=; b=ug6WCWYogpRv1R0kaHBJktyuj013wAf/hC3tSXv09+VmfOVwlpo1GFE3bj8KXxYz19 EeVwfQILCw2nJNfCGkgTa+5eiIA7iAZh80KyBCz/XXuGR+u3czMLVZLZt/KXSlsoRCNA 34BmaKG497R1uMDMmgOWOQian9GPfPeSoYfKMIqmjrmAFZ5YrLhYOHJFYM0/dc3I2yMy xAHXQSfnjA1Pkamc7MgIXn4siSsI2TrYwzPm+eYWmmJ5onzHoFjCjXJXJ9W1iEF4KDRx Htpjn+NboCxQgA3pkh5Sag4RwvPWMaR869ChsFcMAYwV0GgWs81StRVf8/WT5nOksPPA mwlw== Received: by 10.60.170.176 with SMTP id an16mr8545394oec.57.1352489329059; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 11:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.73.104 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.73.104 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:28:49 -0800 (PST) References: <82b2.725c39a2.3dcea014@aol.com> <16A4D3B7318B4104A33DF568BBF45DC0@BucksLaptop> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:28:49 -0500 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: Buck Trippel Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Wetter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My mix ( proven in racing and in a 650 hp Cleveland in a Pantera ) is 2/3 distilled water, 1/3 100% Peak AF and 1 bottle of water wetter. No overheating issues. A 50/50 mix is less effective. Michael Shortt On Nov 9, 2012 2:04 PM, "Buck Trippel" wrote: > We do the same as your friend with our race tiger. 10 years and no > problems with just distilled water and Water Wetter in an aluminum > radiator. That being said, Dale prefers Neo's "Keep Cool". > http://www.bakerprecision.com/**neo/keepcool.htm > > bt > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:06 AM > Subject: [Tigers] Water Wetter > > > Friend came by and the conversation went to aluminum radiators. He claims >> that getting a pinhole in one leads to replacing the radiator as they can >> not be repaired. He told me of an old racer that only shows his car 2-3 >> times >> a year and then sits in the garage. The owner of this uses distilled >> water >> and Water Wetter and states that there will be no corrosion problems with >> this in his aluminum radiator and heads. List what do you think? >> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/bucktrippel@* >> *verizon.net >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/michael@** > michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 9 13:17:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69362D05E5 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:17:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416002D0390 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:54:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MPuB1k0070EZKEL55XvTd6; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:55:27 +0000 Received: from sz0158.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MXvT1k00j2ymm843MXvTDw; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:55:27 +0000 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 19:55:27 +0000 (UTC) From: stubrennan@comcast.net To: Sandy Ganz Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Wetter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't most of these replies come from people who do not do much skiing each winter in their neighborhoods? What about the freezing point? And does WW raise the boiling point like a blend of Prestone will? Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 9 13:18:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02852D0683 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:18:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm28-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm28-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 031BE2D02C4 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:01:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [72.30.22.79] by nm28.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2012 20:02:22 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.103] by tm13.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2012 20:02:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2012 20:02:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 24496 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2012 20:02:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1352491342; bh=schJkjKatllmFYfktChgMdnW1lqeJZR9sJQJt+jqYKA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qYFShHjSSe++s1Mht93NiSwkPrTw7Q3RBQzPldtuYOMk62qiFTXwpxSt6oFxY+V46oHaW0oNlBgk3Skm7SrMiutCsz05kEoFg2dc8BWbU0P+VLgiMFL0rjCmYdZxYRoWAtc4yR4LIAw/mkW+9VXW4VuwwAssEnRHNUyGFBp+3nM= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vLgvEDOwR5QKdLiY/LAD1B3Il/OyYtY5uiksz3vfKU2QdV/IP6Bf0RdXpYsmfvhE+yHYhRv/YPoakWncf4zqf1fYeEO1bBkcwGFPU5+QVadQzg7Z14CN8rlgHzXS04bGMNvMun9RXqgHklBddvz6ivVHpKIHJ3Nbl8Az5njKvRs=; f1bAcwdrouV.Hr1Yl2xjX9m4PGBFEG5m2wAsDzYwn3zPvVC2_NAJ0pXabiSH NpCpjFiXDpViy_C2g4ZnjVrJVU62PEXvBzumrJ5Jd9Ts43peN7nH_.l4K.aq 3e9h24Xhy12HbaJUhVyN8YDTEiv8I1RBkiEe5jk0YfpOxS9QS7rebkgiOGKL bEvl.Cq.01mP6WaZsWTJO.MwKWJMbx55E8K0COBPeo4i9FvFZhVg7fvYKYOX HBizOve2d6ML8I3kkrsnKUAtTOuw8Bx.H4posm9PNgeS9jbklUHfbZ6E6aDu Onq.Rezk8PdP0i0qoMiBCwX8eeHUk91Wm0KK_YGgX208EjK91vCo44jZgMHv ZM.r17x6dKx0MYtcjcdghIGBmstzVwunczmZCJvnPYiFmwVeOUhH4DkXykyz U2jtXggn9dZRYIK.qoWvR._lvH88dYDevIWtsn6E4Z7tgwBt4hXc- Received: from [71.80.161.49] by web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:02:22 PST RG8gbm90IGp1c3QgcnVuIHdhdGVyIHdldHRlciBpbiBhIGZyZWV6aW5nIGVudmlyb25tZW50ISBJdCBvZmZlcnMgbGl0dGxlIG9yIG5vIApmcmVlemUgcHJvdGVjdGlvbiA6KQoKSSBmb3Jnb3QgdGhhdCBldmV5b25lIGRvZXMgbm90IGxpdmUgaW4gU291dGhlcm4gQ2FsaWZvcm5pYSwgZXZlbnRob3VnaCB0aGUgCmZyZWV3YXlzIHNlZW0gbGlrZSB0aGV5IGRvLi4uCgpTYW5keQoKCgotLS0tLSBPcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlIC0tLS0KRnJvbTogInN0dWJyZW5uYW5AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQiIDxzdHVicmVubmFuQGMBMAEBAQE- References: <709809350.1434267.1352490927798.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:02:22 -0800 (PST) From: Sandy Ganz To: stubrennan@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Wetter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Do not just run water wetter in a freezing environment! It offers little or no freeze protection :) I forgot that eveyone does not live in Southern California, eventhough the freeways seem like they do... Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "stubrennan@comcast.net" To: Sandy Ganz Cc: AAAGLASSS@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, November 9, 2012 11:55:59 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Wetter Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't most of these replies come from people who do not do much skiing each winter in their neighborhoods? What about the freezing point? And does WW raise the boiling point like a blend of Prestone will? Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 9 13:51:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7892D05CF for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:51:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6192D031D for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:27:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail93-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.254) by TX2EHSOBE008.bigfish.com (10.9.40.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 20:28:24 +0000 Received: from mail93-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail93-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92584C0224; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 20:28:24 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail93-tx2: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail93-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail93-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1352492902667903_28778; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 20:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS009.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.235]) by mail93-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA6226004B; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 20:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by TX2EHSMHS009.bigfish.com (10.9.99.109) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 20:28:22 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.179) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:28:55 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.3.116]) by OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.179]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:28:20 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Sandy Ganz , "stubrennan@comcast.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Water Wetter Thread-Index: AQHNvqhTeDq4PIVh6k2rh8PL8yDwYJfiQMMAgAAO1YCAAAHvAP//odFA Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 20:28:20 +0000 References: <709809350.1434267.1352490927798.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1352491342.93792.YahooMailRC@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.4.6] Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Wetter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Stu, The coolant pressure has more effect on boiling point than the glycol concentration. http://avenger-valkyrie.org/techinfo/antifreeze.htm This is why a higher pressure radiator cap is effective in solving some of the Tiger's cooling ills... but you have to be careful that you don't have a heater core blowout. The heater core box ends are not well braced for high pressures. Another approach is to replumb the cooling system so the radiator cap is situated on the water pump inlet side; you gain system pressure corresponding to whatever would be lost across the radiator core. Still, higher pressure is higher pressure, and the heater may not like it. Cheers, Theo ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 9 16:56:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B3B2D0625 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:56:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836D82D0504 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:38:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MRNZ1k00G1bwxycA1bg9uq; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:40:09 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Mbg81k00j2xZMJ48ebg8N2; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:40:09 +0000 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 23:40:08 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: stubrennan@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Wetter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Stu, I forget where I picked up the following info, perhaps on the water wetter web site for one, although I have seen it in several places. We should not equate the higher boiling point of a 50/50 AF mix with better cooling capability. While such a mixture has a higher boiling point than water, such a mixture actually absorbs heat less efficiently than water. Water is better than such a mixture at stripping the heat out of the motor than the AF mix. so it is a better coolant. Of course it has the disadvantage of freezing sooner. I believe if you check the water wetter recommendations, they do advise adding an amount of antifreeze to street driven cars. While it drops the freezing temp of the mixture, it also cuts down on the cooling efficiency compared to what it is without the AF in it. As the effect of a pressure cap raising the boiling point off coolant, I have read that others get by quite nicely with only a 13 lb cap. I do not know just how much the extra pressure raises the boiling point of water, but the 13 lbs. is a lot friendlier to the Alpine heater core we all have. And again, if the water and water wetter coolant is doing a better job at cooling the engine, you do not need a higher boiling point but less efficient AF mixture. Also, one of the potential problems I have read about with aluminum radiators is the possibility of metal degradation due to electrolysis. Supposedly one way to deal with that is to have a sacrificial zinc anode in the coolant system. Apparently many of the thermostat housings we use are made of zinc and will perform that function quite well. At least until they erode away! BTW, as I recall reading the bottles, Royal Purple's version of water wetter says not to use distilled water with their product. Very curious. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: stubrennan@comcast.net To: "Sandy Ganz" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 1:55:27 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Wetter Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't most of these replies come from people who do not do much skiing each winter in their neighborhoods? What about the freezing point? And does WW raise the boiling point like a blend of Prestone will? 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George Re _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 9 22:34:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DEB2D0743 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 22:34:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from defout.telus.net (defout.telus.net [204.209.205.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325492D070C for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 22:14:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from edmwcm03 ([204.209.205.31]) by priv-edmwes34.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.8.01.03.00 201-2260-125-20100507) with ESMTP id <20121110051512.DQRO18648.priv-edmwes34.telusplanet.net@edmwcm03> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 22:15:12 -0700 Received: from [10.129.240.172] ([209.91.107.172]) by edmwcm03 with bizsmtp id MhF01k0373jCCW901hF3QA; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 22:15:12 -0700 cv=fPE9e5lEv2tZUfZ3IqkFJcxzhPTSGjtx+Rsqky3OtVs= c=1 sm=2 a=eXOGNzpUKTwA:10 a=UIdm24C_LI4A:10 a=3uozNPWGAAAA:8 a=DFVUvNdswnaCR-dZaPEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=o5bYvDB6WxwA:10 a=7pKFPbkBs63dJnh25nkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 From: Pointers Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 22:14:58 -0700 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Did a double take on this price... 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PEvASrXw9oQ.lQ0y0j2AkJt67URx69WMEry7f7iEis49eCOdrqJYu1LdiVQO .pw88ngenwe11O.Ulha0QP6YK3xanQyO_q.br2x7uRVlN3bTBnqE- Received: from [184.21.37.243] by web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 03:49:27 PST T3ZlciBwcmljZWQuwqDCoCBObyBicmFrZSBib29zdGVyLiBPcmlnaW5hbGl0eSBjbGFpbSBib2d1cy7CoMKgwqDCoMKgIEdhcnkgTW9vcmUsIEI5NDcyMjgzwqDCoCB0YWPCoCAzMTEuIMKgIEHCoCBwcmVzZXJ2ZWQgYW5kIGRyaXZlbsKgIGNhcsKgIG5vdCBmb3Igc2FsZS7CoCDCoCDCoCBXYXhveWwgYW5kIERvdCA1LsKgIMKgIMKgIA0KDQotLS0gT24gU2F0LCAxMS8xMC8xMiwgUG9pbnRlcnMgPGdwb2ludGVyQHRlbHVzcGxhbmV0Lm5ldD4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCkZyb206IFBvaW50ZXJzIDxncG9pbnRlckB0ZWwBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 03:49:27 -0800 (PST) From: arado7@sbcglobal.net To: Pointers Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Did a double take on this price... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Over priced. No brake booster. Originality claim bogus. Gary Moore, B9472283 tac 311. A preserved and driven car not for sale. Waxoyl and Dot 5. --- On Sat, 11/10/12, Pointers wrote: From: Pointers Subject: [Tigers] Did a double take on this price... To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, November 10, 2012, 5:14 AM Originality rules the roost: http://www.hemmings.com/mobile/index.html?classified_id=1496368#_Ad1496368 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 10 09:42:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1527F2D07CD for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:42:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C672D0682 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:35:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id lz20so902847obb.14 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 08:37:00 -0800 (PST) h=content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:references:from :mime-version:in-reply-to:message-id:date:cc:to:x-mailer; bh=ypwvEf/8MV9GRYi9XYm9WdDO/CmfhYkgaQztXriEyZY=; b=FbyVczkl37/IqxAHyxkY71j/3hEwZbA7MNG0R84QPSOl6+08jVGYjRRtwqfBlF8snL XqNNT4+QHd6kd9fYju5VQTRsO9Zon/ETnCaE66/8+YE0O5qoKw2HvGKZ45x7JwJIMUoB S1s9rBDvLH1Yxgi+OdnJlOhbHG0zc88iN2eV6iBAN0s53T3VTFJ+/BTSCLb4j9ugZayj k4LwMHH/GqFXv66MAV+RzzQqIz4qzYFATcT8O9aY1hqHBVsuvv3yOk61oal8jxHfafql /UKEBYlGLZo9c2yONyW/jRU39FNbWjM+oQMyCTIcBDsTJUGAavPGdZUJ8HhfMEfoIaIE vVdg== Received: by 10.60.169.38 with SMTP id ab6mr10930069oec.139.1352565420076; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 08:37:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.135.57.185] (mobile-166-137-145-158.mycingular.net. [166.137.145.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id on10sm1861108obc.9.2012.11.10.08.36.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 10 Nov 2012 08:36:59 -0800 (PST) References: <1352548167.89436.YahooMailClassic@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Cullen1972 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 10:30:41 -0600 To: "arado7@sbcglobal.net" Cc: Pointers , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Did a double take on this price... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Lol! Very well played. Nice looking car. I hope the value is a good representation of the market. Only better for our investments and maybe a sign of better times. Cullen (Always light hearted) Sent from my iPhone. On Nov 10, 2012, at 5:49 AM, arado7@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Over priced. No brake booster. Originality claim bogus. Gary Moore, > B9472283 tac 311. A preserved and driven car not for sale. Waxoyl > and Dot 5. > > --- On Sat, 11/10/12, Pointers wrote: > > From: Pointers > Subject: [Tigers] Did a double take on this price... > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, November 10, 2012, 5:14 AM > > Originality rules the roost: > http://www.hemmings.com/mobile/index.html?classified_id=1496368#_Ad1496368 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 10 09:55:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AE62D07EF for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:55:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279462D0539 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:54:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A2F221C00019D; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mlc005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.211]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3E248E000081; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:55:32 -0500 (EST) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:55:32 -0500 (EST) To: cmccann1972@gmail.com, arado7@sbcglobal.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1352566532; bh=zMcfIVYv7TiLf0yhTEIheL/VqIbaR0XrddLOkTT6t+M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YKxMEhKtKqKw5wJd24MCz2wgNn5me7s2qzqma3M9UfahUfHIt2VfsmFkR9RTENg+T ADve8+O9JhYpp3vUW8MaYSg/t5kdtvkO56qJRYnPMdEYUTkMnZhaQq6MjKMJLRzb3S VCeaEaiP+CtMuJAsfMxp92n+LZFOtbbqqe7x3A4A= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca509e87043bec Cc: gpointer@telusplanet.net, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Did a double take on this price... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The Mk II with late model crate motor and T5 conversion listed for $110,000 at Fantasy Junction has been sold. That's an interesting data point. In a message dated 11/10/2012 8:43:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, cmccann1972@gmail.com writes: Lol! Very well played. Nice looking car. I hope the value is a good representation of the market. Only better for our investments and maybe a sign of better times. Cullen (Always light hearted) Sent from my iPhone. On Nov 10, 2012, at 5:49 AM, arado7@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Over priced. No brake booster. Originality claim bogus. Gary Moore, > B9472283 tac 311. A preserved and driven car not for sale. Waxoyl > and Dot 5. > > --- On Sat, 11/10/12, Pointers wrote: > > From: Pointers > Subject: [Tigers] Did a double take on this price... > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, November 10, 2012, 5:14 AM > > Originality rules the roost: > http://www.hemmings.com/mobile/index.html?classified_id=1496368#_Ad1496368 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 11 08:50:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA0A2D06F2 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 08:50:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DAC8E2D0671 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 08:49:38 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 15085 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2012 15:50:53 -0000 Received: from airnode431.air-internet.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (12.110.38.178) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2012 15:50:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 07:50:49 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: "land-speed@autox.team.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Dana 44 Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I was just sitting here twiddling my thumbs and a burning question came to my mind. Anyone know how much torque a Dana 44 can handle with a spool and a very tall set of gears? Is there a ratio higher than 2.88:1? mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 11 10:19:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D016C2D0783 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:19:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7762D0754; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:14:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail107-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.250) by TX2EHSOBE007.bigfish.com (10.9.40.27) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:15:36 +0000 Received: from mail107-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail107-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452E94C01EA; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:15:36 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail107-tx2: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail107-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail107-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1352654113563923_27487; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS021.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.240]) by mail107-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5993E00B5; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by TX2EHSMHS021.bigfish.com (10.9.99.121) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:15:07 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.182) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:17:44 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.3.116]) by OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.182]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:15:03 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" , "land-speed@autox.team.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Dana 44 Question Thread-Index: AQHNwCRbYAL18z5YQU60t/mC4wSb5Jfk3lxQ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:15:02 +0000 References: <509FC959.9000708@mayfco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dana 44 Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Mayf, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_44 This article says 3460 to 4170 ft-lbs, momentarily. I guess now you have to figure out what "momentary" means - but I would guess that these limits tell you when the housing would expire due to the tooth angles and the forces trying to push the gears apart. Taller ratios should allow you to apply higher input torques. It also says 2.72 is the tallest ratio. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield > Sent: November 11, 2012 8:51 AM > To: land-speed@autox.team.net; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Dana 44 Question > > I was just sitting here twiddling my thumbs and a burning question came > to my mind. Anyone know how much torque a Dana 44 can handle with a > spool and a very tall set of gears? Is there a ratio higher than > 2.88:1? > > mayf > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. 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Both were related to 'speed shifting' (think about this in a 4x4 with a truck transmission). First time twitsted off the yoke right in the middle of the splined section of the pinion. Second time exploded the spider gears. Never had a problem with the gear set (teeth) or axles. Tires were not that big, but larger then car tires.I do not speed shift any more (except in loaner cars or press car demos). Overall I think the D44 is pretty strong, but a heavy rear. I think a 9" is a fair bit lighter and with axle upgrades much stronger. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Larry Mayfield To: "land-speed@autox.team.net" ; "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Sun, November 11, 2012 7:51:10 AM Subject: [Tigers] Dana 44 Question I was just sitting here twiddling my thumbs and a burning question came to my mind. Anyone know how much torque a Dana 44 can handle with a spool and a very tall set of gears? Is there a ratio higher than 2.88:1? mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 13 08:54:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D642D14A8 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:54:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm17.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm17.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D532D142A for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from [72.30.22.93] by nm17.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2012 15:50:18 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.84] by tm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2012 15:50:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2012 15:50:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 5376 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Nov 2012 15:50:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1352821817; bh=c7I5JrlWfYh44oXl2YrOW64BzzTwpuqBd9Rx45eozFw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yw52ROGwca7PMDjj4KzgU4EqpND9+0NiPuMzY/QP3vOkDCmulLWfbWsN9QOce1Pmby0Pstp1P7RLujiCXuVl8MwdZ2cXPTrl6OyYrp4EnmIMHdCIqo8cb4CQ5ZeBFIozv+aa/KwxssQcKwhPC473oF/hAP4CIAlEpHjWF16sBwE= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=e262hXBHsMvXkbxymBUld/PJui+vHVC9xr0xfDFBB/8W6ZBs5ZuehUSKa77yJhLlKefc2gTAduDba6HICn2CjhO/VNde667hbeSV4xGN++IwiCAqOdJnmfGnWE0lRukPlXv8d0KjCTEwn+qpQos3/ikycCxx7Cj2vgKGXeO8cIk=; fQs.sj2_cFO0ahelUWth0yzMd0Zdg7Ay5F3EuP53LCu9gicxfZLzhQtCmXbv VoLq7kgtBqKs36KVDN8.Fka1TRM_hAXsLH03vHuJ2Ym0s2No9L8okz1CCskN pU4rxNZZ7hmkAnZxhnkY0iP3JRmOm6i.p5bet9bt07jodAWILAjhkY51TUIy H9vmw8ot4JjJ2ieRp_kTn6KXXKOYO_oY1gRu0inGZP83NI29YrdT2Kkujfjo xGuPZqb3JezE2reVgyRQPiaIyKNYdAxJsvpRxH9IIXgjegDfmqIjF4HA8rcd ANE788yFz.j7iztR_aD1.BCW0PdLvKQSOe4zQBA29GwDMhUSmuEXhaI4zMyA jkpZqmC01J.AH5gNL1tTkdaX_D4.X6p9Xm.AC83BuwHySQ2EWpohFI0t2QCJ ZZfB6q6qALNUV_60SUIU0FvpEZjakM_KmfWR_uPkDgKZ7c.onFqfU3sB6z4q y0q8Ep2B2ILG1cOvuT.A8r7Ed9a5VQEtDuLWMSCc.qYlXooKrLhK7e5BOYer LnThMMT2vky70NOu9Mw-- Received: from [186.14.60.30] by web184704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:50:17 PST Y2hlY2sgdGhpcyBvdXQgaHR0cDovL21zbmJjLm1zbi5jb20tc3RvcnkyLnVzL2pvYnMvATABAQEB Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:50:17 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Waite To: Tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Hey Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net check this out http://msnbc.msn.com-story2.us/jobs/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 13 11:48:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF112D0630 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:48:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035922D029B; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:34:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from BucksLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.229.205]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MDF0028TVNP00B0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:35:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Smit, Theo" , , , References: <509FC959.9000708@mayfco.com> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E150661B8@OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:35:43 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dana 44 Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Larry has a good question and Theo came up with a quick answer that is very interesting. I had no idea the number would be so large. Thanks! About ten years ago, Trevor Harris urged me to concentrate more about how much torque the tire patch can absorb. Once that's exceeded any excess torque becomes almost meaningless. BTW, there's a great article in the new (nov/dec) edition of Vintage Motorsport about Trevor. It's about 8 pages long & is titled "Racing's Unsung Genius". I can't figure out where they came up with "unsung". After all his CanAm cars, Gurney Eagles, BRE, Electromotive, and 30 years at Indy, I thought he was pretty well known. And that's without the off road Trophy trucks. bt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dana 44 Question > Hi Mayf, > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_44 > > This article says 3460 to 4170 ft-lbs, momentarily. I guess now you have > to > figure out what "momentary" means - but I would guess that these limits > tell > you when the housing would expire due to the tooth angles and the forces > trying to push the gears apart. Taller ratios should allow you to apply > higher > input torques. > It also says 2.72 is the tallest ratio. > > Cheers, > Theo > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- >> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield >> Sent: November 11, 2012 8:51 AM >> To: land-speed@autox.team.net; tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Tigers] Dana 44 Question >> >> I was just sitting here twiddling my thumbs and a burning question came >> to my mind. Anyone know how much torque a Dana 44 can handle with a >> spool and a very tall set of gears? Is there a ratio higher than >> 2.88:1? >> >> mayf >> >> -- >> ______________________________ >> drmayf >> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. >> 204.913 mph flying mile >> 210.779 mph exit speed >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com >> >> > > > ________________________________ > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the > sole > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, > please > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail > or > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 13 12:01:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888E42D05FC for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:01:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544A32D0281 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:53:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from student2 ([unknown] [96.249.192.65]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MDF0057PWJS7YR1@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:55:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <509FC959.9000708@mayfco.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:55:36 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dana 44 Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If your talking about a salt flats car it probably isn't an issue. It's not like your dropping the clutch at 8,000 RPM. Nor are the tires designed to grip tenaciously on an asphalt track. I'd think wind resistance at speed would produce the highest load. And even there traction on the salt would probably fail long before the rear end would. Of course if you have another purpose in mine.. . Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Mayfield" To: ; Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 7:50 AM Subject: [Tigers] Dana 44 Question >I was just sitting here twiddling my thumbs and a burning question came to >my mind. Anyone know how much torque a Dana 44 can handle with a spool and >a very tall set of gears? Is there a ratio higher than 2.88:1? > > mayf _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 13 14:05:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2162C0D48 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:05:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm20-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm20-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3432D0188 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:00:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2012 21:01:45 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.234] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2012 21:01:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1049.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2012 21:01:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 62551 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Nov 2012 21:01:44 -0000 s=s1024; t=1352840504; bh=oi7ijmkh8pMtPdjVD8Ib/yfxwiok02QMTVtLiwor28U=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YuV8AEugqKiP5aicGYUji8ElGxjE+UOkmVWRxr5LNe5CEPiMxcIcyvsKCrM07fdit37/O74ktMf9HbZjEhFQ0ajLdCa1IbuK39VnEZ2VyHcSD9GGjzAdFfq+zeG18Lsq3ZZORLDg/WU08O9l4SrkiKLsXR+xHgCX5F1vdsqL8i0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a62JWE4LzjK3Jp/Ej6WP8iHWbq1U6FFx3r1XEYgUs64Xsy7OP2VU4oHPhAxX97U3yBaxHtlCODpz9/EGb1jQB13S5C9oTsMpUo2BJHmTVNIBeXR5FSXIfHz+AZOdJu9Kxnw8ptYAcBFvnBrfC+WOlEt1qp49ZTUi0EVS6eBkrNw=; sPGEXvCNw0EDly96WvebOlcOyFnzP_4JW5m430SG0MzOBkHDqaqML6NvJYq1 N7l1alZRWz8sAHInxBItNfxqMm.Sqda13o3NJ_Wsd6FnqGHuLCGYlv9T_796 JVhvAf5oJqk6ttwNxSYwJVesM48HcpktBqeDMqVoVK7txxEY_5r9_s9iicaZ JTLOF7tKmQLJM8itpzgZ30LDlaCXp7saw5hG9ZdlUVCkbvw3vHlW7e3e0MHa OCjyiiNtWnV1tIHbEjjcjJ5_bnM.UnEdH6Z9sXe7BJgQuZYuvh_2jDIt.8i2 fmRk5k94caelvYy3se.U7VyxIEtRJX_t8lcghItnGTTYwdSKa8V5bLNrlHcj xsYPNsBf5MeGfsZV7Hzv.ZV7wgOy39HZR5MGUiSz5LcfoxuA1PDGcd_1V9J_ YHnoUG6NWI2XQZcWBYhXygq6uhUOnZfppow8CYJwZsvAXPVa41A-- Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web124701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:01:44 PST SSBhbSByZWFkeSB0byBpbnN0YWxsIG5ldyBicmFrZSBhbmQgZnVlbCBsaW5lcyBvbiBhIDE5NjYgTUsxQS7CoCBEb2VzIGFueW9uZSBoYXZlIGFueSBnb29kIGRpYWdyYW0gb3IgcGljdHVyZXMgYXMgdG8gdGhlIHJvdXRpbmcgb2YgdGhlIGxpbmVzP8KgIEFsc28sIHdoYXQgZGlhbWV0ZXIgaXMgdGhlIGZ1ZWwgbGluZXMgc3VwcG9zZSB0byBiZT8NCsKgDQpUaGFua3MgaW4gYWR2YW5jZS4NCsKgDQpKb2VsIE1hcnRpbgEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:01:44 -0800 (PST) From: Joel Martin To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Brake & Fuel Line Routing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I am ready to install new brake and fuel lines on a 1966 MK1A. Does anyone have any good diagram or pictures as to the routing of the lines? Also, what diameter is the fuel lines suppose to be? Thanks in advance. Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 13 14:37:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2344D2D0502 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:37:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2712D0626 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:33:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id t2so6037356qcq.14 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:34:40 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5VwrdFtQ1SwmojuuSl9ZAyewb/VviW/gIRcNHQujD+M=; b=vuBsbCl/2hos/a7JpHVT1+uS1LDaK6BFblrcPrxfv3e/drQ/DWVJzNe5r16LYWV+B/ AuOebYBrrzC+Didr//X+1+iFy8ma1yeHyBzMxhA37ZphknycYYsxAyRNZ1ubW/CtnM/t iHuAFqndmLmNhMnIj3IsmtGj6x1nfRgnI4WLZymCM8V4tu1N9jhFei+4RwDEtDvHr+0A qGdJ4x+m2oT7dyWHYx+u5Pv69DcjBz3rVIHAGXfQoRsZUanVlBgTnWIPvxqGZP3R6u3n MAj2OAmU7SlSovKKXXQC5soshBoM6KhufHGNZSAwscgN5aHE0yTVY6zC9g5l81uHkhGc JgIw== Received: by 10.49.84.130 with SMTP id z2mr19408501qey.22.1352842480187; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:34:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.63.197 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:34:40 -0800 (PST) References: <1352840504.49671.YahooMailClassic@web124701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:34:40 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: Joel Martin Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake & Fuel Line Routing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The stock lines are 5/16". If you have over about 250-280hp you probably want to change to 3/8" though. On Tuesday, November 13, 2012, Joel Martin wrote: > I am ready to install new brake and fuel lines on a 1966 MK1A. Does anyone > have any good diagram or pictures as to the routing of the lines? Also, > what > diameter is the fuel lines suppose to be? > > Thanks in advance. > > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 13 14:41:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0412D06A1 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:41:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from out02.mta.xmission.com (out02.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF21E2D0641 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:41:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta1.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.65]) by out02.mta.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TYOFw-0006J7-JP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:42:53 -0700 Received: from LynnPC (c-76-23-31-210.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [76.23.31.210]) by mta1.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C66E91C4238; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:42:51 -0700 (MST) From: "Lynn" To: , "'Joel Martin'" References: <1352840504.49671.YahooMailClassic@web124701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:42:48 -0700 Thread-Index: AQIILALUzxFs3GlvBbMDzvH0hl51PgIs/Yfwl2IPHZA= Content-Language: en-us Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake & Fuel Line Routing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Remember that if you change the lines to 3/8" you may want to check the pipe size coming out of the cross over tube to make sure it is not a restriction to the overall system. I can't remember what size it is but I know it is smaller than my new fuel line so I'm speaking from experience. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:35 PM To: Joel Martin Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake & Fuel Line Routing The stock lines are 5/16". If you have over about 250-280hp you probably want to change to 3/8" though. On Tuesday, November 13, 2012, Joel Martin wrote: > I am ready to install new brake and fuel lines on a 1966 MK1A. Does > anyone have any good diagram or pictures as to the routing of the > lines? Also, what diameter is the fuel lines suppose to be? > > Thanks in advance. > > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 13 15:08:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E1E2D0682 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:08:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (fed1rmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480C82D05F3 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:05:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20121113220704.KNWE7477.fed1rmfepo202.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:07:04 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([174.65.60.214]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id PA741k0024dL9DJ01A74WH; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:07:04 -0500 a=Qj/otTZ9puY9Be12RvL5pg==:17 a=dg3hAEBnQ7UA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=yylSA_4Q4zIA:10 a=gceyuhmBAAAA:8 a=Or_tTDS8AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=2OQePCzHb9opH3YRRjUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uZvyPsGTLYUA:10 a=7F_hI6ufVzMA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=9cjDVGOJXWXw9Y7C:21 a=5cRvdvRwRBL5vd9Z:21 a=Qj/otTZ9puY9Be12RvL5pg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:07:06 -0800 From: David Sosna User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121028 Thunderbird/16.0.2 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <509FC959.9000708@mayfco.com> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E150661B8@OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dana 44 Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Buck! Don't know if anyone else is interested in what you mentioned about tire patch vs engine torque, but I did a quick search and couldn't find anything--is there a link or an article you could reference that would help me out? Thanks in advance! Best Regards David Sosna On 11/13/2012 10:35 AM, Buck Trippel wrote: > Larry has a good question and Theo came up with a quick answer that is > very interesting. I had no idea the number would be so large. Thanks! > > About ten years ago, Trevor Harris urged me to concentrate more about > how much torque the tire patch can absorb. Once that's exceeded any > excess torque becomes almost meaningless. > > BTW, there's a great article in the new (nov/dec) edition of Vintage > Motorsport about Trevor. It's about 8 pages long & is titled "Racing's > Unsung Genius". I can't figure out where they came up with "unsung". > After all his CanAm cars, > Gurney Eagles, BRE, Electromotive, and 30 years at Indy, I thought he > was pretty well known. And that's without the off road Trophy trucks. > > bt > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" > > To: ; ; > > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:15 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dana 44 Question > > >> Hi Mayf, >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_44 >> >> This article says 3460 to 4170 ft-lbs, momentarily. I guess now you >> have to >> figure out what "momentary" means - but I would guess that these >> limits tell >> you when the housing would expire due to the tooth angles and the forces >> trying to push the gears apart. Taller ratios should allow you to >> apply higher >> input torques. >> It also says 2.72 is the tallest ratio. >> >> Cheers, >> Theo >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- >>> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield >>> Sent: November 11, 2012 8:51 AM >>> To: land-speed@autox.team.net; tigers@autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Tigers] Dana 44 Question >>> >>> I was just sitting here twiddling my thumbs and a burning question came >>> to my mind. Anyone know how much torque a Dana 44 can handle with a >>> spool and a very tall set of gears? Is there a ratio higher than >>> 2.88:1? >>> >>> mayf >>> >>> -- >>> ______________________________ >>> drmayf >>> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. >>> 204.913 mph flying mile >>> 210.779 mph exit speed >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers@autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com >>> >>> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for >> the sole >> use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, >> please >> be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this >> e-mail or >> any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, >> please contact the sender and delete all copies. >> >> Thank you for your cooperation. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 13 17:46:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6823E2D06EE for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:46:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D40B2D0346 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:43:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id lz20so4613893obb.14 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:45:11 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=F/2Tvwsc8P8hn4mYJyIAzORw+W5KI3ArDY+LOnAl+CQ=; b=0KXs1BmBLd47rV59breN0ZAwCh7zzYerx88uQPchNwo/0FFpGGCM5xIdzqUWUeTazq 1GGMNRk3XWUsgymoMp5LJg63J6tPlm28q4POsEHAFs4BXFTAJVkNUFMCYOXNGN2/gTpF aPcmXzweX5F043pyBvNpxkPUUyDbg5iIOVpU+HO4vsEUjdnfEmySDKgBOMEKNUQG5Dyv AZUcluV+dpKYejPnLhfwGceo1enYyeA9iXQGHuKq3XqXwLQ0sAh7355BUaMmFcFH4PXt Ze6btF5zfnflCnE5uAbVJPgDNM+8PoeCwLglw4YPMxLrPsyzkIZJ5kREZRMB/Jqi8Knz 9ygg== Received: by 10.182.157.44 with SMTP id wj12mr19402367obb.41.1352853911812; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:45:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.134.204 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:45:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:45:11 -0800 From: Mark Olson To: "owner-tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Save the date - British Car Week 2013 National Meet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net All, I was asked by Barrett Harrison to pass this on to the Tiger community: http://www.britishcarweeknationalmeet.org/ Mark _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 14 13:41:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7522D07C5 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:41:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s48.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s48.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.51.85]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC4E2D079D for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:31:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT140-W35 ([65.55.90.135]) by snt0-omc3-s48.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:32:33 -0800 From: Bill Lawrence To: sunbeam tiger Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:32:33 +0000 References: FILETIME=[2D1B8E40:01CDC2A7] Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam 'Tiger' Powertrain Pull and Refit on the Tube Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings fellow Tiger enthusiasts! I thought I would share this link with the Tiger team list, it was sent to me by a local MKIIA owner. Please disregard this post if the link has been posted before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A13lFqRls-U&feature=youtu.be My Dad and I devised a similar scheme to pull and refit the engine and tranny when we went through my Tiger many moons ago...brought back some fond memories. Keep on Tigerrin'Bill LawrenceFt. Lauderdale FLA USA1965 Sunbeam TigerB9473246LRX Subject: Pulling a Tiger motor / trans. Guys, My neighbor & I had it a lot easier dropping my motor out using my 2-post lift, but this guy's method was pretty good!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A13lFqRls-U&feature=youtu.be _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 14 15:59:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651992D07D5 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:59:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77512D062F for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:50:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id lz20so1274206obb.14 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:51:54 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=nLgxtl5h2cRwTK7yEH6Kt2sOl3uJP2SsIHl2G907DXQ=; b=0FyN6PDs3iHXeYnFY3L+z3nRTmznOAgELJXRUoaouI814eY/a5GNc3ymO18ET8OYT9 5t0nIwRgm58puDjERDkAlvESWSLs6G+e0Vdfj+UukaKI+aNDlEM3afABAXgkz0RBWUhP Mn6HMDuJHDEs19sfRs/sDtfTIp//f1tK4QwUC9ZB16NtUqK4y09RTRe9mQi1OsTqT4GC WHm0TTg8eApFoDvw7cxSJlxQLJWabt7m8hJNiJE/a2bmWTpGH5lny7nEQSRNrS/Fn56o Lw3auQsx875Ekl1RL9an+RxVQfGkU8IdN/sl5GzO0jwqqhOGNZ3wo70yKJVRvjsK96Zz aTyA== Received: by 10.182.64.101 with SMTP id n5mr22086421obs.11.1352933513804; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:51:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.73.104 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:51:32 -0800 (PST) From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:51:32 -0500 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Jackets Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I am moving forward with a line of Tiger Jackets like those that I offer to my Pantera brethren, you can see them at www.michaelspantera.com/jacketoffer.html So far about a dozen of you have indicated plans to order one or more. Now working on the car line drawing for the back ( the car color will be changeable by those who order ) This will be posted prior to accepting actual orders. What I need from anyone who cares to share is a proper Rootes Group Logo/Seal for the Left chest area, if you have one, preferably a large one in JPEG or TIFF, please send it to me. Thanks, Michael -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 14 16:30:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F042D07D2 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:30:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0104.b.hostedemail.com [64.98.42.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDAE2D0782 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay04.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A97E5277EDD for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from RedBudAdminPC (unknown [72.168.166.134]) (Authenticated sender: jimmc13@hughes.net) by omf10.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:23:10 +0000 (UTC) From: "Jim" To: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:23:03 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3Cvv6SZ9IyivkoTLKJNssijBCvgg== Subject: [Tigers] Passenger quarter window chrome - for GT interior Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, I just came in from working on my 1966 Tiger. Working on the passenger door, I needed to remove the quarter window; I broke the short chrome window base for the GT style. So does anyone have a passenger side GT quarter window base they might part with, if so please contact me off line. Thanks. Jim McLaughlin B382000175 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 14 16:45:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B709E2D06CA for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:45:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A74F2D06F3 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:38:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id qAENe633024319 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:40:06 -0500 Received: from core-dqc005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.161.145]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 265F4E000081 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:40:06 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:40:06 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1352936406; bh=Xiw4RmsgO4DvbcZKrvy0IgvFe6T0sdN0WpB5F7RuRec=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oc3UAWEu+x75VixSGo9fQWQktp5jCMnIGkj2VVajyjuH0eBRhlle6nx+hGO0kncw+ XYDf9NFwPUzIGXfqUGS3iLwTPnPJp+BcDrvqBNydJejXwlNhufLjAY3dGvp1j3mE+s t7XS2h4eSyxgv/Lm8m+q7Bmx7mkUUN/pi6Dfck1A= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a50a42bd63046 Subject: [Tigers] new chrome process Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, Got this from Tod Brown You guys have to see this Jay Leno clip. This is the future, especially for you CA guys. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-1cTpSZ1l8&feature=g-vrec_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-1cTpSZ1l8&feature=g-vrec) Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 14 17:06:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F152D09CD for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:06:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ea0-f169.google.com (mail-ea0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E94B2D050A for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:00:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ea0-f169.google.com with SMTP id k11so521917eaa.14 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:01:26 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Bcxdzl6xMHjThKANnxRtrEDeNSJrUiyeDKvAyl6rJSM=; b=WMzC3fHMKTw1mHXko0mNJ5yEIp6kec3SsvLC61YocgtBdVZrnKZeHBgYnzIrxTkh+J jpHn8uMwV1R2vCoNy876x8T5hMm+zRxBSqIvztzPXbxAA8zS5Z8VZ7t4srucomddntcn SHjfs00RuEnD5s3wf/QH8BbLyTMRxDr4AJ+FhAkU/6eEpa6x10HAHT7wpYtDW+AZfkL5 kEDXQvcJFcSaU6o5S/k0IOTaeAk1sX0HzITm1p+RErggy74yDrolBd4UznDIUze7bqTJ lHPVjlQhywjCVITVqtBzohKV4kMAQtQxpJo7PcDvDmUmnw33R+oNxT/1t/bMkq3WeTDf IhHg== Received: by 10.14.173.71 with SMTP id u47mr92076592eel.20.1352937686067; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.87.15 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:01:25 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:01:25 +1100 From: michael king To: Jim Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Passenger quarter window chrome - for GT interior Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, when you say broke it, as in cracked it, or its in bits? If cracked it might be able to be silver soldered together again and then replated. Often these are badly pitted or have cracks and need work anyway. Ifnot there was a guy in the UK listing some on ebay On 15 November 2012 10:23, Jim wrote: > Listers, > I just came in from working on my 1966 Tiger. Working on the passenger > door, I needed to remove the quarter window; I broke the short chrome > window > base for the GT style. So does anyone have a passenger side GT quarter > window base they might part with, if so please contact me off line. > Thanks. > Jim McLaughlin > B382000175 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 14 17:07:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E5E2D01AA for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:07:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B2B2D0974 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:06:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 10so1846812ied.14 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:07:28 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=zaRnO5aAabwzYYuCaUl/pCg/atPEEp28XubKgL/HUqc=; b=qRUCZSMBzMJ9uEjigQwdGaUS0l9G6QrYeWF/9gWb8IjAdZxq1Bv6sW+Ta3xk5TIpYn H43GvhTyP8GXR6d66W0BUHWrR8wJIAEfounroG8ISna2aIpIU6Ua9+egFx75V2HxezBT kR3a89UyeK2lSdxz5VCjvD3aS/Uqqnfnh/bjCQeQlwoRdF4qdynPsQiL66FveGJGSY/S Dg35DRf61cSn5RUbMbikyJnFOL9BqjNGYlF3+Vr1K+m/CFBw7ZQGUFQ0oHey8ViHRhaL WcQ4aZE+NOqcduNTLm5RHW6n2EKL5zbOBsBBDfxka3MBs8Oz0pg9P9jUEWOrmr/5wknu t1cg== Received: by 10.50.180.133 with SMTP id do5mr962548igc.2.1352938048079; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.169.194 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:07:24 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:07:24 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Jackets Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Michael king made some great designs for polo shirts for STOC (UK club), including the crest. On Wednesday, November 14, 2012, michael@michaelshortt.com wrote: > I am moving forward with a line of Tiger Jackets > like those that I offer to my Pantera brethren, > you can see them at > www.michaelspantera.com/jacketoffer.html > So far about a dozen of you have indicated plans to order > one or more. > Now working on the car line drawing for the back ( the car color will > be changeable by those who order ) > This will be posted prior to accepting actual orders. > > What I need from anyone who cares to share is a proper > Rootes Group Logo/Seal for the Left chest area, if you have one, > preferably a large one in JPEG or TIFF, please send it to me. > > > Thanks, > > Michael > > > -- > > > > > > > > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael@michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 14 19:55:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853D32D0314 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:55:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2EB2D07D2 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:51:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id qAF2qKj7029921 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:52:20 -0500 Received: from core-dub001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dub001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.164.65]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EAD2CE000081 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:52:19 -0500 (EST) From: DRVEE12@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:52:19 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1352947940; bh=RI2FOXzMiFTdnaq4cu0JHG344ui5vP5ukyaQNwmLe9g=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rqigGRWl1EejYk5zsp1lUjtYlM20OnB9KWgTdFxT3o7awaSsiYYa1WOMijqkypJ4n GMEt97+jDungWYMiVYmzAgqA5Qv4sc+VZIMS5G8vtugYrlX4igH5XPrakaYKfiY/Rg LqwyFMc4o2hVSVB2PvBILzwiPJ5/mSe5f/RYtGGw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c950a458e342e7 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger offered Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net After many years of exhilarating pleasure I am sadly, but nevertheless committed, to let someone else take a turn experiencing the fun owning my 66 MK1A Tiger, B382000793LRXFE. A very nice car, pics can be found here: _http://public.fotki.com/drvee12/1966-sunbeam-tiger/_ (http://public.fotki.com/drvee12/1966-sunbeam-tiger/) and further details provided to any interested parties. Located in sunny Southern California. Asking mid 30's. Steve Berman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 15 16:46:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302FC2D08DE for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:46:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A512D08B3 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:46:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20121115154750791.CBLS3785@cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:47:50 +0000 a=ClRWAabOj0ck0cgm1Z5Esw==:17 a=mPNZ_lv-XC0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=lVt0Bvuvi8gA:10 a=sx9HrSxc_JpmAwM42vgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=BObtF3qGfEa1ECmg:21 a=T7rvmxPOhDESBLSf:21 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=r63D9rfs1s9KS7MCzTgA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=ClRWAabOj0ck0cgm1Z5Esw==:117 Received: from [97.101.52.160] ([97.101.52.160:56135] helo=Kitchen) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 88/76-20885-66E05A05; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:46:46 +0000 From: "Bradley Parlee" To: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:46:30 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac3DSF81MweNI/UuTX+FTfE6fw0m3A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] original dip stick dimensions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My car is a stock Tiger with 260 engine. I have several dipsticks that look original to my series 1 tiger but when I change the oil those dip sticks show I have over filled the engine if I try to get the proscribed 5 liters in. I know there is variability in the refill - how much was left how clear the remote lines were etc. Also, I know that if the car has just been run that will account for about a = inch on the stick due to oil being up in the engine and remote filter. ..I assume the stick is designed to be checked just after the engine has be run? I need the correct distance to the full mark from the bottom inside the cap. Mine is 22 = Would also help to know the correct length of the tube. Mine is 14 7/8 from the top of the tube straightish to the timing chain cover. Bradley Parlee _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 15 17:11:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B458E2D0619 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:11:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E6BE2D03DA for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:11:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id qAG0Gn8N017242; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:16:49 -0500 Received: from core-mle002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.199]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 63DDAE000081; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:16:49 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:16:49 -0500 (EST) To: bparlee@cfl.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1353025009; bh=pRIlzS25F9HPEoRXXI78TltD4rQDMQ7ebPxCBVHaVm8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dPA5FdZ84gJwNFX7GwMREaWlGDa0iFLyVSD4t/Yb70VQnPjBfz1ODSCdIzxgI8EzX PmFGhNdYtPL/cAwnuCbQkP9TFfoB9DnQLtyeZCqxkWEzFDV9gqiS0tAnZVKX8zoS69 RvzRIgoosZLlfBDcrnufAgqn/tepSqKbovpeiUSg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e50a585f113f0 Subject: Re: [Tigers] original dip stick dimensions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I thought the prescribed amount was 5 quarts and not 5 liters. Could that be the problem? M In a message dated 11/15/2012 6:51:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bparlee@cfl.rr.com writes: My car is a stock Tiger with 260 engine. I have several dipsticks that look original to my series 1 tiger but when I change the oil those dip sticks show I have over filled the engine if I try to get the proscribed 5 liters in. I know there is variability in the refill - how much was left how clear the remote lines were etc. Also, I know that if the car has just been run that will account for about a = inch on the stick due to oil being up in the engine and remote filter. ..I assume the stick is designed to be checked just after the engine has be run? I need the correct distance to the full mark from the bottom inside the cap. Mine is 22 = Would also help to know the correct length of the tube. Mine is 14 7/8 from the top of the tube straightish to the timing chain cover. Bradley Parlee _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 15 19:47:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E062D0944 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:47:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9182D0936 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:46:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id qAG0bi6i007493; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:38:24 -0800 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189465) id dm0225.5099ebc9.1bd788; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:38:13 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , , Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:38:02 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac3Dj8/wAahvvWepRLq4oLX76wrgUwAAJ5hQ engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8185,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-11-15_07:2012-11-15,2012-11-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1211150277 Subject: Re: [Tigers] original dip stick dimensions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A quick look in the Shop Manual - 4.83 liters of oil. The problem is we do not always know if the tube and dip stick are original parts. The original parts were supplied by the Industrial Group so that means they may not be stock Ford parts; they are probably custom made parts the Rootes Order. I found an old email from David Franchi that may help. The original dip stick & tube measurements are: Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell" cover/dust guard. Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" from tip. -- Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating ring" (were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the tube. 7 5/16" from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting wing". -- With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrudes 9 1/2" out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to the bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring") David Franchi I say - fill the engine with 4 Qts or 4L, which ever units your most comfortable using, run the engine, mark this oil level as the low oil point. Add 1 Qt or 1L, your choice, mark this level for full. This way it does not matter what combination of tube or dip stick you have on the engine. 5 Qts = 4.73L; I'm more comfortable with Qts. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 7:17 PM To: bparlee@cfl.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] original dip stick dimensions I thought the prescribed amount was 5 quarts and not 5 liters. Could that be the problem? M In a message dated 11/15/2012 6:51:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bparlee@cfl.rr.com writes: My car is a stock Tiger with 260 engine. I have several dipsticks that look original to my series 1 tiger but when I change the oil those dip sticks show I have over filled the engine if I try to get the proscribed 5 liters in. I know there is variability in the refill - how much was left how clear the remote lines were etc. Also, I know that if the car has just been run that will account for about a = inch on the stick due to oil being up in the engine and remote filter. ..I assume the stick is designed to be checked just after the engine has be run? I need the correct distance to the full mark from the bottom inside the cap. Mine is 22 = Would also help to know the correct length of the tube. Mine is 14 7/8 from the top of the tube straightish to the timing chain cover. Bradley Parlee _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2629/5896 - Release Date: 11/15/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 19 15:11:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E260A43920 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:11:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D02D438C4 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:09:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id qAJMAmxO015168 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:10:51 -0500 Received: from core-dqe003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.73]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B879AE00008C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:10:51 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:10:51 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1353363051; bh=RApLz1SNYdFmmtAnvS/zfvyE6PxahTam2r6t1R9wjeA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OHZfyXygqdrFjMthiRVptwWo9XAvyueTp3RbWG4R3KcmbKSRI7LEzD6Mc0qt2jDTi 3bjC61+p29J8qraVhy7pSRNWMSnSQ6wwAfCIhU5FHK49rjs2UNU6m0GfdzkWqLJ48T lJvRzqEHmBypKfrifgNRCqyY4Zd+XxXZvgkrNe7I= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290850aaae6b2c5e Subject: [Tigers] From the CAT archive thread Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, Check this out... "I'll make a later post about another "discovery". The local Sunbeamers have come up with a very stock looking electric power steering for a Tiger that fits under the dash. The Tiger steering column is removed and stored then a donor Alpine unit takes its place. The engine compartment is clean and stock looking." Anybody know any more about this? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 19 15:17:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8A84392C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:17:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD9943888 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:17:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RREE1k0061GXsucACaJ63H; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:18:06 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RaJ51k01E2xZMJ48UaJ511; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:18:05 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:18:05 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Rollright@aol.com Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] From the CAT archive thread Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Theo knows. EPS (ElectricPowerSteering) is getting more common. The Alpine/Tiger job Theo showed me is kind of complex. If you have a more hot-rod Tiger it can probably be done easier/cheaper. The conversion uses a motor column from a Chevy Cobalt or Toyota Corolla as I recall. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:10:51 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] From the CAT archive thread Hello, Check this out... "I'll make a later post about another "discovery". The local Sunbeamers have come up with a very stock looking electric power steering for a Tiger that fits under the dash. The Tiger steering column is removed and stored then a donor Alpine unit takes its place. The engine compartment is clean and stock looking." Anybody know any more about this? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 19 15:26:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51E4438CB for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:26:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6434C43893 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:23:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail43-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.250) by CH1EHSOBE011.bigfish.com (10.43.70.61) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:24:16 +0000 Received: from mail43-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail43-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7491C032D; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:24:16 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail43-ch1: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail43-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail43-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1353363854681556_649; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS027.bigfish.com (snatpool1.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.251]) by mail43-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A70A4800A2; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CH1EHSMHS027.bigfish.com (10.43.70.27) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:24:12 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com (10.2.1.219) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:24:49 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.3.116]) by OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.1.219]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:24:11 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Gary Winblad , "Rollright@aol.com" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] From the CAT archive thread Thread-Index: AQHNxqLux1W5ygnIM0uz+LGtYDZNPpfyHs2A//+cEIA= Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:24:08 +0000 References: <465e9.24a6af4.3ddc086b@aol.com> <1533733714.350150.1353363485549.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.4.6] Cc: "tigers@Autox.Team.Net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] From the CAT archive thread Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Gary and Jim, I know about the electric steering column conversions, but I haven't seen any firsthand so I'd rather let the folks that have been there and done that, talk about it; when the time comes that I actually have some time to devote to my Tiger and to TU.com, I'd be glad to put time towards making that conversion more attainable by whatever contributions I can make. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Winblad > Sent: November 19, 2012 3:18 PM > To: Rollright@aol.com > Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] From the CAT archive thread > > Theo knows. > EPS (ElectricPowerSteering) is getting more common. The Alpine/Tiger > job Theo > showed me is kind of complex. If you have a more hot-rod Tiger it can > probably > be done easier/cheaper. The conversion uses a motor column from a > Chevy Cobalt > or Toyota Corolla as I recall. > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rollright@aol.com > To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net > Sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:10:51 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: [Tigers] From the CAT archive thread > > Hello, > > Check this out... > > "I'll make a later post about another "discovery". The local Sunbeamers > have come up with a very stock looking electric power steering for a > Tiger > that fits under the dash. The Tiger steering column is removed and > stored then > a donor Alpine unit takes its place. The engine compartment is clean > and > stock looking." > > Anybody know any more about this? > > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 19 15:27:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2511743921 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:27:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E735643893 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:26:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ee0-f41.google.com with SMTP id d41so3871797eek.14 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:27:08 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=S0FJ3GrCuM31zkGAh3NPw1xBOBuKU7+QwHYpE+SDwNM=; b=NoswcpFWHtS1+XKYNshMg+R0HviUyzxP5rV+PoX5pzn+1w3TDriHhspHjWcEkBRMWZ OSzK6GD5q6tm/bkWTF1hJWVHGr302no81XUx7PFCOmTQCo0JmQeRpV3A/JRlKXYIGwUZ /RdhYrOEN/wqBwa4Bun9gFC3TiSRnr5vHVQ4L04MpxAA3ozp39WoFShqia1EmYV1i6Ip w+D2UrwTwGZbGpGn8EwPiZTYvtuNipQIRA7VF2TVcLX0Goql7zCgTzzg907hntKaycZO rZST4dSzpfqizfWSxiTY6ApNiChSaLHuKnuVGEZygdiOfSXLZASjcWffvbW6Q2nklnYO Sipw== Received: by 10.14.221.194 with SMTP id r42mr28043223eep.25.1353364027920; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:27:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.4.203 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:27:07 -0800 (PST) References: <465e9.24a6af4.3ddc086b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:27:07 +1100 From: michael king To: Rollright@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] From the CAT archive thread Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net jim, this is the system developed in the UK using Corsa parts, if you go to the CAT thread there are quite detailed pics and descriptions http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=1746&highlight=corsa On 20 November 2012 09:10, wrote: > Hello, > > Check this out... > > "I'll make a later post about another "discovery". The local Sunbeamers > have come up with a very stock looking electric power steering for a Tiger > that fits under the dash. The Tiger steering column is removed and stored > then > a donor Alpine unit takes its place. The engine compartment is clean and > stock looking." > > Anybody know any more about this? > > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 19 15:47:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA0443945 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:47:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11976438CF for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:47:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 998B838000196 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqe003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.73]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 69F73E000086 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:48:20 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:48:20 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1353365300; bh=/qQuCL3eunjUc2N0v54mUwFR2ZT8Vv+BeaWHtyHLrTk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sL/Do8TTEjRZZoW4DOwiR2Hqh4EZ2Y6R5aAHCsAIV+Mnh4CrLloRPJesBAh19IyNr Nv0Ldt7VcZ8EXM01e3OTHxHyc/TQgY3qFv7WCmbI428h+4sEWPs0OpCUeB/DWMsOda XyPOgRhoVTUhnjIXmK7Si9xhxNrVMw8BbKwfDHcU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d50aab7347aeb Subject: Re: [Tigers] From the CAT archive thread Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks guys. I got my arms around it thanks to you all. What a neat job that Brit did! Sweet! And from what some of you say, there is more than one way to skin a cat. (couldn't help it...) Jim Armstrong _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 19 15:59:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641DE43974 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:59:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9676B438D1 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:58:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from BucksLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.229.205]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MDR00MJZBVCSTA2@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@Autox.Team.Net; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:59:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Gary Winblad" , References: <1533733714.350150.1353363485549.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:59:30 -0800 Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] From the CAT archive thread Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, I do know about it. I wrote the "CAT archive" post last month that you quoted and I also it followed up a few weeks ago with a thread on the power steering installation. http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=1746 The thread has about 20 replies but here's a short summary. A group of Tiger owners from California went to England last month to spend a week working at the Rootes Archive in Banbury. While we were there we saw several Tigers with electric power units from a Corsa installed. The installation was very, very nice as you can see in the pictures on the CAT site. A British Alpine owner who owns a machine shop engineered a beautifully clean electric power steering assist for Alpines and Tigers that fits entirely under the dash. It uses a pair of "donor" Alpine columns. The Tiger column is removed and stored untouched. The entire unit "drops in". He made a batch for local club members. We don't know if he plans to make anymore. We're waiting for word from him. Tony Tomaselli got one of the units and installed it in his left hand drive Tiger. He posted pictures of his installation in the thread. A knob (pot) adjusts the amount of assist and is set by the driver to give his desired feel. You can maneuver the Tiger slowly while steering with only one finger. Buck Trippel _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 20 12:20:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3F343999 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:20:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.252]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4366D4396E for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:20:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm22.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2012 19:21:00 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.195] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2012 19:21:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1053.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2012 19:21:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 37746 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Nov 2012 19:21:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1353439260; bh=DdmTKrOYDaXAHzRFWdtABtioxKqt6G0rXA4i0ia49ik=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=D9DtgbxNaYfUYtgDjJsOhnfi2bMVawuIIVmEdJQkT00KImOUoPEHoYc8Krctnz27sv5kzqmE6s8FBLw7hJW/Dzxd16Wj/Jyi8gvouHECZDofONONTtLKJdDlfe8wl9q+9zG7T2htP7qJGyt5LdTpCfyu2alEFCuMoyvxoPtBwYk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ysOMtuTnvgcB00AHH/5I85kFLmPcs3DEOReyFnHUZ8Zg0swQtyiNhJHscQyWOZPofDz7zqDJhlSfyBQJ+k8fQULPy2zSOnxlELi7L+QprMjlZmA+GCdfDBp+HESpBRKbwXY+BFBxhqXMy2w67eBJXCQPFIOVNeSZlhk/Z+hOd5Y=; jG.hzAaOrdi2kFqbK6_5rHBr5kdPjW.pQVd9KWFS5NH2N9GjkbINfepSIA4N 5h5.d2X4FTEYChmRgiM8mjMwslu78_97ZQo1TrNI03ixHNvTFwoncrEyYeAS .wqBv.vSsMRX.SiXRznwS49PKYt.HNld6oIuD.Mz4XMgc8k63AjYMQR_VNlI HpFNUoTfhRxqxiWhW83o_fe1HsLNZ2P6DUUQmaxv0elib5LuOWEESxwRWD7r 6zY0Mac7LkfxHVnONavHHJu9m5bW6vrXBdTZC0xKfggXCuPs3H98uVoeI0Rd CxCZXrV6.fV8ER4OItRMGWbVN4mrpDqvohmv8WcPPuPluZqWbKTKJ_Ns8C3A Lm3du6D4feUmXZ2TCFb7cW9IpFX33Wqvzi3fipPxBVoxF1av0mPJLRu0DnB0 NoHc3TmEvLw63D9e9D4xBgw4LSOOUWDICp64qtE275.awj2kvo1rZFp3ccnZ F7g-- Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web124702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:21:00 PST V2hhdCBhcmUgdGhlIHByb3BlciBtYW51ZmFjdHVyZSBhbmQgcGFydCBudW1iZXJzIGZvciB0aGUgTUsxQSB0aWdlciBicmFrZSwgY2x1dGNoIGFuZCBzbGF2ZSBjeWxpbmRlciBtYXN0ZXJzP8KgIEFsc28gdGhlIGJyYW5kLCBzaXplIGFuZCByYW5nZSArLSAzMD8gZm9yIHRoZSBhbXBtZXRlcj8NCsKgDQpQaWN0dXJlcyB3b3VsZCBiZSB2ZXJ5IGhlbHBmdWwuDQrCoA0KVGhhbmtzDQpKb2VsIE1hcnRpbg0Kam1hcnRpbmlpaUB5YWhvby5jb20BMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:21:00 -0800 (PST) From: Joel Martin To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Hydrolics and Ampmeter guage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net What are the proper manufacture and part numbers for the MK1A tiger brake, clutch and slave cylinder masters? Also the brand, size and range +- 30? for the ampmeter? Pictures would be very helpful. Thanks Joel Martin jmartiniii@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 20 15:44:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034E2439C9 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:44:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8054399F for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:43:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ee0-f41.google.com with SMTP id d41so4634343eek.14 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:44:00 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=/5Rf0Q+LAiCrwhGeq+MyuJSzFjwDATFGqnoQbHHSqLw=; b=nuoSnsGL+HWu4RapBgIgqzY/xw7FH22f51s8s2YogLRWCCiQuadH9LvisBzdLs7y9o CvAiSgURGNokU9lsRfKc9ou0gWgU6c9U7DHyM7FM1IRVujarmuCdVYhQY199HKNdJhUs 2aiTfb1L9AVAhpLNvMXLgyu0ZTo32ywCUU0tzeGAaj+Ta0NWhL1PT85V9zsInSp4c7xK SdqHwc+eAu4cw1TzaY8xkchriQ4WtAxadIbk8twGAu0Je8SCaYnChlqismwlhRbP5q7L MgqXRo84IEfTW1f8zEMpTSk1F6+0njXPsDY8i2P2YUejtYkaE35AlwwHyPM9P5rLiG+I YgSg== Received: by 10.14.184.134 with SMTP id s6mr29815910eem.43.1353451440231; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:44:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.4.203 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:43:59 -0800 (PST) References: <1353439260.19466.YahooMailClassic@web124702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:43:59 +1100 From: michael king To: Joel Martin Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hydrolics and Ampmeter guage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net joel, Clutch MC : factory installed girling 5/8in : 63068319 Brake MC : factory installed girling 7/8in : 64066301 there are 6 other girling brake M/C's that are also useable and 2 other girling clutch M/C's i can supply those numbers if needed. The ammeter should be a lucas Unit 30/30 with red needle facing up,the later crs used the 35/35 with smaller SV alpine style font. images of ammeter attached On 21 November 2012 06:21, Joel Martin wrote: > What are the proper manufacture and part numbers for the MK1A tiger brake, > clutch and slave cylinder masters? Also the brand, size and range +- 30? > for > the ampmeter? > > Pictures would be very helpful. > > Thanks > Joel Martin > jmartiniii@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of S3-IV alpine MKI Tiger.jpg] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 20 18:56:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1807B439C8 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:56:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C954394D for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:47:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2012 01:48:51 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.110] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2012 01:48:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2012 01:48:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 61151 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Nov 2012 01:48:20 -0000 s=s1024; t=1353462500; bh=sME+3HN9QIJilJQtn6fEkm1JiAQXIF9zE6l8ahTlRBE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=l7dsHSlVXTKfz2L+9oVzNWEY9WCnBkaFJSm/P3B0TisTPaT6QPhftgunqMh7T7M4egslTM5+gTMKLWFw8tbbgnY0aDe7KjCyFt4V6sDbTc89JLJz4qB2YDzEovU59VfjW2yChISCKePDhQkygeKFAt1m/3hBUzqsY2cuseumN7U= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=F1Jj6jP/1SvzpKBh9+edZrzM5o+GhPB6ydo++VkzK0O9r5DsWih6MAtROc3+UL+8Xp2YZjD/unwVOkDQxaN9ORM5fgKh6MXtysS2hycFt0Q46bEP4mmh6H/zsV1n9Ts7pfbHbFJ+6pHSv8qfQ7wexsolhnn6PAwD25q4FZ8oo+o=; 5CERhEfCA2O_vkxH5htCZ7lReDijsADWXaZEZf.u76hGMRYoiB_ICXhez4L9 tgM1eUyPtE6mdKbH8eC5OoFUe_.xOgfgNkrmTgNNROpPC1blSvNUHLlMMygD PR090iXniXh4ziZYqfRqUH.QrewqIwWQN6Xw2KwbuJiPhkrK_Z9BOF3wRpOk gDMe_lRLV3JipTUOFr7VXLQ9fN0N3xq1dlC2fQWovyAjcp4Vd0wdtztucpd_ mu_c81hr6kd.vJe.r3V67Y54ox3MtHp5a9Vnac.KqyW_KM_Ac7908ai0ScEz c9NeysuBir0U0Bcxdu2fmqXg5Yy2uXRDwi32c7DUziEiMTytl6FxgUY5puiB A8bZUC0haL2YyS7DHRyHt0f19tjgD0g8jo0ECvJXkOhNOsSFYDSLvDyMd.DU d__GvLl8su.cUX_BST5Tp1j6UHtX4FKjYcGeM6jAhMYwsvnWtjNHB8_uZD.P dyjqy3_7AnFcD1W44kxCir.yt Received: from [70.243.255.11] by web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:48:20 PST DQoNCg0KDQoNCk15IDY3IE1LSUkgaGFzIGFyb3VuZCA4NSwwMDAgbWlsZXMgb24gdGhlIG9yaWdpbmFsIDI4OSBlbmdpbmUgd2hpY2ggaGFzIG5ldmVyIGJlZW4gb3BlbmVkIHVwIGFjY29yZGluZyB0byB0aGUgcHJldmlvdXMgMyBvd25lcnMuwqAgQ2FyIHJ1bnMgZ3JlYXQgd2l0aCBubyBpc3N1ZXMuwqAgTXkgY29uY2VybiBhbmQgcGVyaGFwcyB0aGUgY29uY2VybiBvZiBvdGhlciBvd25lcnPCoGlzLCBzaG91bGQgSSByZXBsYWNlIHRoZcKgdGhlIHRpbWluZyBjaGFpbi9nZWFycyBhcyByb3V0aW5lIG1haW4BMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:48:20 -0800 (PST) From: david gilmore To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 67 MKII timing chain/gear question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My 67 MKII has around 85,000 miles on the original 289 engine which has never been opened up according to the previous 3 owners. Car runs great with no issues. My concern and perhaps the concern of other owners is, should I replace the the timing chain/gears as routine maintenance? A friend with lots of 289 engine experience said the engine is likely of the "non-interference" type and not to do a chain/gear change since even if the fiber cam gear (or possibly steel gear) breaks no engine damage would occur. (If it works don't mess with it basically). I would prefer not to change anything if it is not required. I think some of these engines had fiber gears and others had steel. I would welcome the educated suggestions of you guys obviously. Can anyone tell me if my engine has fiber or steel timing gear from the info listed below? Should I mess with it or just leave it alone? I probably drive less than a thousand gentle miles a year. Thanks for the forum and thanks for the input! engine info:block (under starter) 6029, and under that 0 or a G and 3-AF6015E, build date stamped by water pump on block is 6C31C. Thank you, Dave Gilmore Leawood, Ks _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 20 19:11:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83628439D4 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:11:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm28-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm28-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4D54383C for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:03:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2012 02:04:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.206] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2012 02:04:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2012 02:04:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 89170 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Nov 2012 02:04:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1353463469; bh=NODDfphxvYSoCH17wknHG0nu2qHg2IUNe7xvki5DK98=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gB9RbxAB0Btuad03OJEQJSIdXIwzxkGct7dKcPIjKUJDCmB33xt4BDH/KYImXXRx5ZGiD8so6b9g47KvZXvB8SIeYL/v9Ijls1kY3g9378/nETs7yg38O1cBFNqHXyZFQFYpF13vTOSAw3DX8LNJa7N8o9d5Ts84mTyJt2/kjvU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=v5Gr3Qf1ADxvrVz2nPx6I3rSkAaX+VYQ3UOaFZk1BVP9qDWUAJD7T88LENKvbNTaB+fnlXLPZtFU+PSVEmQZpk+VNah9ghVr+QtzkPop1vhNt96UXiXlMPksxZmn0x5koRZD16uJlm86H+eE7XwKlTx2gzbjE3MMp4RHNQBUcG8=; rozfSDmJRw4Yhwng0.3tsVSVvJ2FWocxOaNCti0T.7m9fTyl5DZtefT_ULBA zr2PFeYr4DdMUVfuxE0YyHsoAxHFSiXd2MXVBRY7IJTYHuUBLUf7aWZKoJ3u HocVsW.pOcDCEYIdMcS2KKR3eYePWnuPTS.mvKpd7mnV7oD3TF5zLhEzb7j. 6IY316RrO5rHLx_EBzLsJWEpu4cRqmz0.MtmVBaHJ_T1IcRLwtSfwDfBSktW 4R6QSfklbG167qg8qFIKg2gWW1eIpQnD4qYJK6xl9hxJspSIj7CZAWoKBmU. 9Jv_TQuWnRZG4I6lOGS7vURcL9FNlXlKnnlHnDdV6Y0sMc_iHxXigUhOBjzV ek6601Ifm2jRaiBUWaiBfB4J8fgTF10gXyP6gBCUphMwwh_VoP9AAdEEDAfA yCrAe5UTguKLqzih1UgAMpQuDQxcFwc1UkmF3UyLV4RRb99ZsDZV.dl48Wkh fuwFx8nA8Spj4S1T3cGNGQjxdPBqI7dNbRJO5FdgTFdppfg.ZjumDm8VgLtM fI3ADTnVp5mslkg-- Received: from [63.142.116.58] by web162206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:04:29 PST CllvdSBoYXZlIHRvIHNlbmQgaGltIHRoZSBpbWFnZXMocGljcykgdG8gaGlzIGVtYWlsIGFzIHRoZSBMSVNUIHJlbW92ZXMgYWxsIGF0dGFjaG1lbnRzLCBwaWNzIGV0Yy4gWW91IGNhbiBzZW5kIGEgbGluayB0byB0aGUgcGljcyBpZiB0aGV5IGFyZSBsb2NhdGVkIG9uIGEgcGljIHNpdGUuIEhhcHB5IFRVUktFWSBEYXkgdG8gYWxsIG91ciBCZWFtZXJzLnJlZ2FyZHMuIFRvbnkgTGFuZyAoVHRUKQoKVG9ueSBMYW5nIChUdFQpCgoKPl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCj4gRnJvbTogbWkBMAEBAQE- References: <1353439260.19466.YahooMailClassic@web124702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:04:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Somebody To: michael king , Joel Martin Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hydrolics and Ampmeter guage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net You have to send him the images(pics) to his email as the LIST removes all attachments, pics etc. You can send a link to the pics if they are located on a pic site. Happy TURKEY Day to all our Beamers.regards. Tony Lang (TtT) Tony Lang (TtT) >________________________________ > From: michael king >To: Joel Martin >Cc: tigers@autox.team.net >Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:43 PM >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hydrolics and Ampmeter guage > >joel, > >Clutch MC : >factory installed girling 5/8in : 63068319 > >Brake MC : >factory installed girling 7/8in : 64066301 > >there are 6 other girling brake M/C's that are also useable and 2 other >girling clutch M/C's i can supply those numbers if needed. > >The ammeter should be a lucas Unit 30/30 with red needle facing up,the >later crs used the 35/35 with smaller SV alpine style font. > >images of ammeter attached > > > > >On 21 November 2012 06:21, Joel Martin wrote: > >> What are the proper manufacture and part numbers for the MK1A tiger brake, >> clutch and slave cylinder masters? Also the brand, size and range +- 30? >> for >> the ampmeter? >> >> Pictures would be very helpful. >> >> Thanks >> Joel Martin >> jmartiniii@yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com >> >> >> > > >-- >Regards > >Michael King > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of S3-IV alpine MKI Tiger.jpg] >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 20 21:23:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F1B43B22 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:23:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A004398C for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:03:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id qAL43MqM002757; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:03:59 -0800 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b0d2) id dm0219.5099ebd6.2994b7; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:03:53 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'david gilmore'" , Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 23:03:09 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac3Hi4PYidVX/c5ASqCtlsK3mkrHnAADeTMg engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8185,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-11-20_07:2012-11-20,2012-11-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=9 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1211200335 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 67 MKII timing chain/gear question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dave Block casting number should read C5AE-6015E - 298 block; 6029 probably 6C29 is the casting date - March 29 1966. 6C31C is the assembly date - March 31 1966, the C is most likely the inspector's mark. True, if the cam gear fails the engine will just shut off with no harm done to a stock engine. The cam gear in all Mk II engines is a nylon covered aluminum gear. The nylon will crack, chip then fail at some point. You might be able to look at the cam gear through the fuel pump block plate area on the timing cover with a fiber optics scope. I would change out the timing set to ensure trouble free driving in the future. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of david gilmore Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 8:48 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 67 MKII timing chain/gear question My 67 MKII has around 85,000 miles on the original 289 engine which has never been opened up according to the previous 3 owners. Car runs great with no issues. My concern and perhaps the concern of other owners is, should I replace the the timing chain/gears as routine maintenance? A friend with lots of 289 engine experience said the engine is likely of the "non-interference" type and not to do a chain/gear change since even if the fiber cam gear (or possibly steel gear) breaks no engine damage would occur. (If it works don't mess with it basically). I would prefer not to change anything if it is not required. I think some of these engines had fiber gears and others had steel. I would welcome the educated suggestions of you guys obviously. Can anyone tell me if my engine has fiber or steel timing gear from the info listed below? Should I mess with it or just leave it alone? I probably drive less than a thousand gentle miles a year. Thanks for the forum and thanks for the input! engine info:block (under starter) 6029, and under that 0 or a G and 3-AF6015E, build date stamped by water pump on block is 6C31C. Thank you, Dave Gilmore Leawood, Ks _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2629/5907 - Release Date: 11/20/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 20 22:38:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BAA43AF5 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:38:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C744399E for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from student2 ([unknown] [96.249.192.65]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MDT00B3XO1QAXL1@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 23:17:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <1353462500.59845.YahooMailClassic@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:18:32 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 67 MKII timing chain/gear question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'd recommend a roller chain. It is not much more and has the advantage of retaining the timing relationships longer. Many come with advance/retard keyways. If you would find that an advantage you have that option. Not that I've seen it happen, but a broke or loose chain has the potential to internally damage the cover. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 21 00:34:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7159543BCE for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 00:34:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08ADC439AC for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 00:05:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id S7401k0020EPchoA676B8X; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 07:06:11 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id S76A1k00Y2xZMJ48M76APU; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 07:06:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 07:06:09 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Thomas Witt Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 67 MKII timing chain/gear question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tom, do you or any other "Lister"', know if the unused mechanical fuel pump eccentric on the end of the cam at the upper timing gear is really needed? If you put in a double row timing chain, as I recall there is not room to also put on that eccentric without cutting it down a bit. Since the original motors came with it installed, I have always wondered if the cams may be somehow rotationally balanced with the expectation that eccentric is on the end of the cam. If so, it would seem a good idea to keep as much of an eccentric on the cam end as possible. Just wondering if anyone knows how important is that eccentric. Maybe like the human appendix?! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Witt" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:18:32 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 67 MKII timing chain/gear question I'd recommend a roller chain. It is not much more and has the advantage of retaining the timing relationships longer. Many come with advance/retard keyways. If you would find that an advantage you have that option. Not that I've seen it happen, but a broke or loose chain has the potential to internally damage the cover. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 21 11:14:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAB64399A for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:14:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc3-s16.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc3-s16.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAEB94395B for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:14:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL112-W56 ([65.55.34.137]) by col0-omc3-s16.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:15:01 -0800 From: Karl Adey To: The LIST Post Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:15:01 -0500 FILETIME=[1F2DAA80:01CDC814] Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clutch Release Fork Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Apparently when the throw-out bearing seized on the Tiger in the early 90s, it wore down the clutch fork beyond tolerance. Now I need a 'new' fork, clutch, clutch plate and throwout bearing. I know that some of those parts are available from SS. I was told that I should switch from a 3 finger to a diaphram clutch and that perhaps a larger clutch may help also. I can't find a fork (P/N C3AZ-7515-A I assume). Anyone have any ideas?Karl AdeyMk1 Original 260 with original 5 bolt trans. As a side note, I can't seem to be able to search the Tigers Archive. I read that the search feature had been fixed a while ago, is that not the case? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 21 11:27:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4156243A25 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:27:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net (txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64F54395B for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:26:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from Roscrea ([74.196.108.150]) by txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.00.00 201-2329-20120127) with ESMTP id <20121121182722.YWJ5010.txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net@Roscrea>; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:27:22 -0600 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: , "'Thomas Witt'" References: <2E4B4BB948D14DD092482D08FF095ED2@student2> <148224867.410329.1353481569694.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:27:31 -0600 Thread-Index: AQF6Y/r8BzjX9kQdiDOkj16cRU+ZTpibYzrw Content-Language: en-us cv=N9uDKkb2Yi2ZV4O13hbhmNYLbEXZvhtlycSAN4eAjDA= c=1 sm=0 a=G0FZfR2D-6sA:10 a=xzW3HwPJiLYA:10 a=VPHkNMUpP2kA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=8LaAqv5HAAAA:8 a=k-tgHNlK7NFRedZcsE0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=gPGHqaX6uacA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 67 MKII timing chain/gear question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net When I installed my engine (302) twelve years ago I didn't install that eccentric, been running fine ever since. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:06 AM To: Thomas Witt Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 67 MKII timing chain/gear question Tom, do you or any other "Lister"', know if the unused mechanical fuel pump eccentric on the end of the cam at the upper timing gear is really needed? If you put in a double row timing chain, as I recall there is not room to also put on that eccentric without cutting it down a bit. Since the original motors came with it installed, I have always wondered if the cams may be somehow rotationally balanced with the expectation that eccentric is on the end of the cam. If so, it would seem a good idea to keep as much of an eccentric on the cam end as possible. Just wondering if anyone knows how important is that eccentric. Maybe like the human appendix?! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Witt" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:18:32 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 67 MKII timing chain/gear question I'd recommend a roller chain. It is not much more and has the advantage of retaining the timing relationships longer. Many come with advance/retard keyways. If you would find that an advantage you have that option. Not that I've seen it happen, but a broke or loose chain has the potential to internally damage the cover. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 21 11:41:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749A1439DE for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:41:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp01e.netjets.com (smtp01e.netjets.com [12.68.88.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8BF4395B for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:33:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown (HELO cmhsbg01e.netjets.com) ([10.70.11.53]) by dco-a08-esa01.gss-i.netjets.com with ESMTP; 21 Nov 2012 13:34:39 -0500 Received: from CMHPRDOWA01.netjets.com (cmhprdowa01.netjets.com [10.136.1.200]) by cmhsbg01e.netjets.com (Symantec Brightmail Gateway) with SMTP id BB.4F.21055.FBE1DA05; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from CMHPRDEXCCAS01.netjets.com ([10.82.12.55]) by CMHPRDOWA01.netjets.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:34:39 -0500 Received: from CMHPRDEXCCAS02.netjets.com (10.82.12.56) by cmhprdexccas01.netjets.com (10.82.12.55) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.1; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:34:39 -0500 Received: from CMHPRDEXCMBX01.netjets.com ([fe80::58f0:3183:9bb8:3786]) by cmhprdexccas02.netjets.com ([169.254.118.126]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:34:38 -0500 From: Scott Hutchinson To: "'JCMC2006@suddenlink.net'" , "'genepadgett@comcast.net'" , "'atwittsend@verizon.net'" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] 67 MKII timing chain/gear question Thread-Index: AQHNx4uPeBwx+nMSM02yJFjswgcIdJfzyKpagABpbYCAAL5fgP//riv4 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:34:37 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.83.80.19] FILETIME=[DD71A260:01CDC816] Cc: "'tigers@autox.team.net'" Subject: Re: [Tigers] 67 MKII timing chain/gear question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net No need for the eccentric. The timing chain will probably skip before it breaks. If it does you can get home by moving the plug wires on the distributor over one. IMHO don't rip it open if you are happy w/it. If you do rip it open replace w/a double roller. Scott Hutchinson Pilot, NetJets Aviation Mobile 843.290.2805 *** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. 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Remeber the cam is spinning at 1/2 speed and the amount of out of balance will not matter. Just make sure your bolt doesn't bottom out or anything odd like that in the cam. I have never run them on any SBF due to electric pumps, I think that is the norm. Also as mentioned it's a good investment to get a roller chain, not that much more and a nicer part. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:06 AM To: Thomas Witt Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 67 MKII timing chain/gear question Tom, do you or any other "Lister"', know if the unused mechanical fuel pump eccentric on the end of the cam at the upper timing gear is really needed? If you put in a double row timing chain, as I recall there is not room to also put on that eccentric without cutting it down a bit. Since the original motors came with it installed, I have always wondered if the cams may be somehow rotationally balanced with the expectation that eccentric is on the end of the cam. If so, it would seem a good idea to keep as much of an eccentric on the cam end as possible. Just wondering if anyone knows how important is that eccentric. Maybe like the human appendix?! Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 21 13:14:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED09439AD for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:14:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CBD43982 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:07:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SDUt1k00C0cQ2SLA1L81F1; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:08:01 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SL811k00M2yr1eL8WL817J; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:08:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:08:01 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: tigers@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1353528482; bh=ZHbhUKXuxUL3WUdWz/uSnl+oSzFoTXPazmjW3D200c0=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=D3zKU7OlHf+cKrchrvkaS7YG5W3cN5fgQ1vq5yiUGiSa6t1gwHYXEsudRE1T++kKN KQUzrvnRHsqNkdFVTrn9BF37/mHTE06S55yqygkwKy91CE+ueGjcCO4NTPGqfxys7m 0xqsZcAMPLx0Dn9+ilPjYhu97J5AIrtrjZZDDCX7O8DMjHg44MwVkEOQ2PeWqbCxwj 1iu49tVpdUZ0sO87hqRedb19W/QSFw6eDSZ6bf5CECeGJFwQKqcT/RqVzZRpY2UW+8 5JqRm/M7SpuC1gbjqCbB/CzUSMeKziz6UoYsNK7LNQ5KZikvEaSGo11qyX2ObZK6vY l5t/hS1oL6XcQ== Subject: [Tigers] Timing Chain Gear Eccentric Question Replies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all for your the responses. Actually, I did put on a double roller chain a couple of years ago. At the time I left off the eccentric, but there has always been that nagging question if I did the right thing or not. I also just want to highlight the point Mayf made about making sure without the eccentric on, there is a wide washer in its place to hold the locator pin in place. Also if one goes with the double roller chain, the sprocket is thicker than the OEM single row sprocket. Adding a big washer to keep the pin in and a lock washer to keep everything together made my original bolt too short. Measure everything carefully. As I remember one of the lengths I tried seemed to be just right, but was really bottoming out in the cam end. As I recall you want at least 4 full turns of the bolt and not have it bottom out. Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 21 13:17:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB14D43A0D for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:17:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF96243972 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:17:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004959 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id qALKGZZJ024106; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:17:57 -0800 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189144) id dm0213.5099ebe5.2ce9dc; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:17:51 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Karl Adey'" , "'The LIST Post'" Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:17:39 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac3IFESibFir3fcZTqOtFXefHHiwFwACJK4g engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8185,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-11-21_04:2012-11-21,2012-11-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1211210214 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clutch Release Fork Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Karl Mustangtek.com shows this for that fork. 64-65 260 Mustang 63-64 260 Ford Fairlane Falcon 65-67 all_6cyl Fairlane w/HD_clutch 10" long C3AZ-7515-A I don't know how accurate the information. Macsautoparts.com lists a C3DZ-7515-B for a 260 Comet but there is no description to know if it is compatible. Have you looked in an interchange parts book to see if the C3AZ part was updated by Ford? As for the Archive Mark is working on that; it is possible that it is not fully functional or totally up to date. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Karl Adey Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:15 PM To: The LIST Post Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clutch Release Fork Apparently when the throw-out bearing seized on the Tiger in the early 90s, it wore down the clutch fork beyond tolerance. Now I need a 'new' fork, clutch, clutch plate and throwout bearing. I know that some of those parts are available from SS. I was told that I should switch from a 3 finger to a diaphram clutch and that perhaps a larger clutch may help also. I can't find a fork (P/N C3AZ-7515-A I assume). Anyone have any ideas?Karl AdeyMk1 Original 260 with original 5 bolt trans. As a side note, I can't seem to be able to search the Tigers Archive. I read that the search feature had been fixed a while ago, is that not the case? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2629/5907 - Release Date: 11/20/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 21 13:50:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762CE43A39 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:50:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A9C439E7 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:49:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id qALKmFRW018714; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:50:26 -0800 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b0b8) id dm0213.5099ebe5.2cfccf; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:50:21 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:49:36 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac3IJORnjkaDNW08QCKYrcgZeBA1lAAAsxfg engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8185,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-11-21_04:2012-11-21,2012-11-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1211210226 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Timing Chain Gear Eccentric Question Replies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Gene The depth of the bolt hole on a 289 cam I have laying about is 1.5" deep and it appears to be threaded for most of that depth. "How to build a small block Ford" indicates that the bolt is 3/8-24 x 1.5" long. The fuel pump eccentric is not really needed but you need to be aware the original bolt could bottom out, although the big heavy washer for that bolt should prevent that. Always a good idea to check before buttoning up the timing cover especially when changing components. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 3:08 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Timing Chain Gear Eccentric Question Replies Thanks to all for your the responses. Actually, I did put on a double roller chain a couple of years ago. At the time I left off the eccentric, but there has always been that nagging question if I did the right thing or not. I also just want to highlight the point Mayf made about making sure without the eccentric on, there is a wide washer in its place to hold the locator pin in place. Also if one goes with the double roller chain, the sprocket is thicker than the OEM single row sprocket. Adding a big washer to keep the pin in and a lock washer to keep everything together made my original bolt too short. Measure everything carefully. As I remember one of the lengths I tried seemed to be just right, but was really bottoming out in the cam end. As I recall you want at least 4 full turns of the bolt and not have it bottom out. Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2629/5907 - Release Date: 11/20/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 21 14:00:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C724A43A30 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:00:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF8C439B9 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:56:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SDCM1k00C1Y3wxoA1Lxd7J; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:57:37 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SLxc1k00M2yr1eL8bLxcCy; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:57:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:57:36 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Karl Adey s=q20121106; t=1353531457; bh=B0zjmLRPpvALTjgoRVImT1J+9/LeEhk+oZhZX0qjya8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=GIV6T/UEr4REQlCl0gu9mIVKO8DjuwH0IZdgwHaIjc+PKu+Im+bmCHsMfzo0Fz4SR x57Pnk09PiHMm3Ln6U9KIKDMY+xIS7cLDFkIEWu9LH7RwAQsl1SNfTyEo9yv5U+9KY OF4G/V6tCHlk1NnOnrascwlkhsUGqU8ImMhQveOLXEe84YoJtI4YHsH0Q4AQmRxLAa pIfDqJsToeI42yLLmoc002bcwrTSaykIfZYsB3GthWfsKcok8oq04kjqy8NI6T9My2 0igqHqz9PIIl/YKfB4I6uii9s1zn6UqTh11ls2qQxp89BFRBfBcPqtP9JC7BjF9wsY zhhNcEkT0u9zQ== Cc: The LIST Post Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clutch Release Fork Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Karl, Along with the others you have talked to, I also encourage you to go with a diaphragm style replacement clutch. A lot of people seem to like the one that Centerforce makes. That is what I have used and am quite happy. No affiliation. I am assuming you are pulling the engine and trans to replace the clutch. There is a way to replace it without doing that, but I for one have tried it and don't particularly recommend it for the do-it-yourselfer. I would recommend that you replace the clutch pivot bracket in the bell housing if you can while doing the clutch. The factory one is a pretty weak piece and is riveted in place. They have been known to break. Stronger ones are available and mount with bolts. Hate to see you have to go to all the removal trouble again later just to replace a broken pivot bracket. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Adey" To: "The LIST Post" Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:15:01 PM Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clutch Release Fork Apparently when the throw-out bearing seized on the Tiger in the early 90s, it wore down the clutch fork beyond tolerance. Now I need a 'new' fork, clutch, clutch plate and throwout bearing. I know that some of those parts are available from SS. I was told that I should switch from a 3 finger to a diaphram clutch and that perhaps a larger clutch may help also. I can't find a fork (P/N C3AZ-7515-A I assume). Anyone have any ideas?Karl AdeyMk1 Original 260 with original 5 bolt trans. As a side note, I can't seem to be able to search the Tigers Archive. I read that the search feature had been fixed a while ago, is that not the case? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 21 14:04:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7115143A3A for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:04:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B395A439E3 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SKQ51k00116AWCUA7M4sbu; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:04:52 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SM4r1k00s2yr1eL8SM4rnk; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:04:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:04:51 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Timing Chain Gear Eccentric Question Replies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Ron, Good specific dimensions and advice to share. In my post, I just was also trying to alert anyone going to a double row sprocket that they would need to use a longer bolt and things to keep in mind as they pick one. Unfortunately, I did not write the size down when I made the change. Since then I have been trying to keep a log book! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: genepadgett@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:49:36 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Timing Chain Gear Eccentric Question Replies Gene The depth of the bolt hole on a 289 cam I have laying about is 1.5" deep and it appears to be threaded for most of that depth. "How to build a small block Ford" indicates that the bolt is 3/8-24 x 1.5" long. The fuel pump eccentric is not really needed but you need to be aware the original bolt could bottom out, although the big heavy washer for that bolt should prevent that. Always a good idea to check before buttoning up the timing cover especially when changing components. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 3:08 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Timing Chain Gear Eccentric Question Replies Thanks to all for your the responses. Actually, I did put on a double roller chain a couple of years ago. At the time I left off the eccentric, but there has always been that nagging question if I did the right thing or not. I also just want to highlight the point Mayf made about making sure without the eccentric on, there is a wide washer in its place to hold the locator pin in place. Also if one goes with the double roller chain, the sprocket is thicker than the OEM single row sprocket. Adding a big washer to keep the pin in and a lock washer to keep everything together made my original bolt too short. Measure everything carefully. As I remember one of the lengths I tried seemed to be just right, but was really bottoming out in the cam end. As I recall you want at least 4 full turns of the bolt and not have it bottom out. Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2629/5907 - Release Date: 11/20/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 21 15:17:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4104F43A3C for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:17:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DC3439C8 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:12:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id lz20so9560139obb.14 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:13:44 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=tRGoxOlkRzcIq2/SzFL71Wdzz9KwTW5PKlugnjJoJ+A=; b=JQLv8D5FKUwof0dlj3vtoJ3fjBHnMrHEqvim8ZbLsZp1tMyMLHe23JhlK3ju62k5aN HeGJd65z1BYd7E7SBFhTXJAAJiyL4zNM7JiUKlUiBkVfr/rtLREvtrA2BIQDJSWUk9Qv Njhzil27h+AyAmGjM94Vriop4vDVZ5L8gkY6F5A6JX0vWQrCDD3Qj6hNhhA0MKvog3ui x+AgFgmvcM5a2IFZSaE0uYpp4pMiEJr6UA/IAJ87929OpmMNXM47X0k88K2SvCsnxdGC G9oiktz3m62O490mKsT1cSv8eZ0Vdq9UYFDXVx+gjvUYC0oHa0sxFBGdolQkXRd8yRPv IrSw== Received: by 10.60.169.48 with SMTP id ab16mr17997375oec.15.1353536023972; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.73.104 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:13:23 -0800 (PST) From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:13:23 -0500 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Jackets NOW Available Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm now accepting orders for the 4 different styles of Sunbeam Tiger Jackets, Orders and Payments received by Dec. 3rd will be shipped in time for Christmas delivery. The line drawing is on the link below as well as prices, photos of the various styles and color choices. http://www.michaelspantera.com/sunbeamtiger.html Thanks, Michael Please respond to this email if you have a question not covered on the webpage. Unfortunately, Credit Cards can only be accepted in person with a signature required. -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 21 16:55:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A1043BC6 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:55:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from wh-qmail04.webhero.com (wh-qmail04.webhero.com [209.217.42.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A464395B for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:33:06 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 26700 invoked by uid 10000); 21 Nov 2012 23:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO HPLaptop) (70.174.45.144) by wh-qmail04.webhero.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2012 23:33:53 -0000 From: To: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:33:47 -0500 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac3IQKdKP3aKb2mjQtq62t3HYnSJ3w== Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clutch Release Fork Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Karl, You're right in that the clutch fork is P/N C3AZ-7515-A. I've been looking for one of those for about a year with an astounding lack of success. The only reference to that part number that I've found is on www.mustangtek.com where they have a pretty comprehensive list of Ford fork part numbers and usages for each. On that list some forks have a photo but not ours. I did receive some info from lister "oneoffive" and he mentioned that he converted P/N C50Z-7515A but I don't know what he had to do to convert. Since he is an active lister, perhaps he can give us an idea of how to do the conversion. The original fork is 10" and the C50Z-7515 is only 9-1/4" so it might require a different bore size in the clutch hydraulics. Please advise me on any info and/or solution you might come across and I'll do the same. Also, I don't know how to search the archives and perhaps some can steer me in the right direction. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 23 09:22:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA80543A33 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:22:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C90B0439E3 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:18:06 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1353687528; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=To:Date:Subject:Content-Type:From:Message-Id; b=bCTuJ6crYyoTWBYDOVlwsjMEgvfw14CmGFzGJ0DeFIVX0Fm/uSFd9w+CxKGHwCb9v 0wXZDchsCykGgs49OONp16RmIhsYUtuRnq9gOSnaTeZn/Tb+flyMA5hR6hyuPoXJL9 oald8ZcIYWvSRcrCvBOmNPcI+rWSeXKiqLc5Y/3Q= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (mailpop02.vgs.untd.com [10.181.45.22]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJL9JP5A6S6BFA for (sender ); Fri, 23 Nov 2012 08:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from spmdr@juno.com) by mailpop02.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SP9P2D9P; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 08:17:46 PST To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 08:17:14 -0800 From: spmdr@juno.com Subject: [Tigers] Tiger (?) on the tube Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I've been out of town so this may be old news... I just saw a red Sunbeam on a Ralph's TV commercial. Can't tell if it's an Alpine or Tiger. BUT it is very nice. DW ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50afa1bc2776821bb2083st02vuc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 23 10:57:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8C043A6E for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 10:57:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1916B43A14 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 10:57:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2012 17:57:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.228] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2012 17:57:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1068.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2012 17:57:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 94406 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2012 17:57:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1353693470; bh=ViCrsCCX1dqQf93N3pt4Wi2nw5Iujpm+0MpW7Sjp9T8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ySrh/RkBRD0c47Chod+Xu/zdRgT5SZjeHnw8qR6xDLqokgSgoC5AojXbNBOzC50IaNdkevlqKwdKsfkChg0i8QEpDKLAlOIv0JWtFqpoiNbrGkQR0xAqcNI15rtf/QoMzSJ8TlVkZ4xvY5UHmY21cLywZL1qjX1n54v1A1XbBxk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H0iT4XQxJWSXG+9GjQ/RWJoZlLOz1XrEM4iH6SlXLbAKnjuVXsCKqEmimAcCO/2mCEYEpxpNxhZ0LgI8cy9A8esXUYrW+fodVb4wQoDEpWWfQ2OapAbEeNj1zf3KF4NqAq+MT3FEnXKUkUYEj+aFq5tRfkQWZb41hED8hXWqTV0=; ego4q937UkmLk1AXpODbHpk_9VRtvIuO8BDJX1lEBm1G1XB2cxTR2eF2q_iG ..GrmgTHl1azSAut48p9yDpGdTf4AhGT0dDFZhHyHhnw.JL8FUiv.IKiTvIg QPTdBnx28YJRvAjuOIaXk5coMycqu6s7udiIHBowAnMy7tg4ncgJR97F9RMH LclWTA7unhbTHgjUl0CG9ssIWwK41oQ6WzR9r4Ptk8oTgNafy27RV7.Fk1m3 uQmFbAaIdcSUAH8kRO8kfqoOJALcR27PHBYBzuVQOUxsQwfpk2hVc.IvhFK1 qXexQpHsUGWaB_iEKmQExonDpABOulh2qaDLjOt2R7MxkM1HNztosRqunGie 9wFAh8hu2KwN224Spz8n15O.opdZqZ4YCHwIRPiFhIQw0szsWjHEONkfuHbE FJEMGM3nIY2_HNFdiCS8K9Spd_PPcIneiA7oXis.VLGXPXz0wmr5MGmghYZY 5QJfN23hs6xil1KHaLC54gQVR6ufOC5Bwv.Wbcr9SOU9H_THNVGiJDBgD1a. rnw-- Received: from [63.142.116.58] by web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:57:50 PST WWVzdGVyZGF5LCBLcm9nZXIgcmFuIGEgY29tbWVyY2lhbCwgSSBqdXN0IGNhdWdodCB0aGUgZW5kIG9mIGl0IGJvdGggdGltZXMgYW5kIG15IGZyaWVuZHMgbWFkZSBmdW4gb2YgbWUgZm9yIGdldHRpbmcgc28gZXhjaXRlZMKgd2hlbiBJIHN3b29yZSB0aGVyZSB3YXMgYSByZWQgU3VuYmVhbSBpbiB0aGUgY29tbWVyY2lhbC4gSXQgd2FzbnQgYSBwaWMgYnV0IG1vcmUgc28gYSBkcmF3aW5nLS1IRVksIEltIG9mdGVuIHdyb25nIGFib3V0IG1hbnkgdGhpbmdzIGluIG15IGxpZmUgQlVUIEkgYW0gcHJldHR5IHMBMAEBAQE- References: <20121123.081746.1560.19764@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:57:50 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Somebody To: "spmdr@juno.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger (?) on the tube Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yesterday, Kroger ran a commercial, I just caught the end of it both times and my friends made fun of me for getting so excited when I swoore there was a red Sunbeam in the commercial. It wasnt a pic but more so a drawing--HEY, Im often wrong about many things in my life BUT I am pretty sure what a Beam looks like- frontal view- just momentarialy and it was sattilite so I have no idea what stationed aired it BUT Im thinking its Kroger so its everywhere!! I was teasing my friend that we wherent watching the NFL games- sacreliegious after such great food!! Tony Lang (TtT) >________________________________ > From: "spmdr@juno.com" >To: tigers@autox.team.net >Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:17 AM >Subject: [Tigers] Tiger (?) on the tube > >I've been out of town so this may be old news... > >I just saw a red Sunbeam on a Ralph's TV commercial. > >Can't tell if it's an Alpine or Tiger. > >BUT it is very nice. > > DW >____________________________________________________________ >Woman is 53 But Looks 25 >Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50afa1bc2776821bb2083st02vuc >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 23 11:48:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7A743AA1 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 11:48:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055D843A0E for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 11:47:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id T3Rc1k00516AWCUA76oPmR; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 18:48:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([76.120.109.222]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id T6oM1k00X4nwTpY8S6oNq0; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 18:48:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 11:48:11 -0700 From: Ken Tisdale Organization: Denver Custom Signs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <20121123.081746.1560.19764@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> <1353693470.83974.YahooMailNeo@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger (?) on the tube Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Saw the commercial (King Soopers in Colorado) yesterday also. Pretty sure it was an Alpine. Very nice looking - they flashed it by about 3 times... Ken On 11/23/2012 10:57 AM, Tony Somebody wrote: > Yesterday, Kroger ran a commercial, I just caught the end of it both times and > my friends made fun of me for getting so excited when I swoore there was a red > Sunbeam in the commercial. It wasnt a pic but more so a drawing--HEY, Im often > wrong about many things in my life BUT I am pretty sure what a Beam looks > like- frontal view- just momentarialy and it was sattilite so I have no idea > what stationed aired it BUT Im thinking its Kroger so its everywhere!! I was > teasing my friend that we wherent watching the NFL games- sacreliegious after > such great food!! > > > Tony Lang (TtT) > > >> ________________________________ >> > From: "spmdr@juno.com" >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Sent: > Friday, November 23, 2012 10:17 AM >> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger (?) on the tube >> >> I've been out of town so this may be old news... >> >> I just saw a red Sunbeam > on a Ralph's TV commercial. >> Can't tell if it's an Alpine or Tiger. >> >> BUT > it is very nice. >> DW >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Woman is 53 But > Looks 25 >> Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50afa1bc2776821bb2083st02vuc >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ktisdale@ix.netcom.com > > > -- http://denvercustomsigns.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of ktisdale.vcf] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 25 21:38:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2DF4385C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:38:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DF743846 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:18:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1F5CA3800006E for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mfa001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.135]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EA555E000089 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:18:55 -0500 (EST) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:18:55 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1353903536; bh=04TS1HzoebfvKQey4Srm4zuCSu3LECNK4ma6l7yPrz4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nptPXIGl/OlFAacJr23pbf/6nQ8GLzDD9yA9l9T8fKQpvkvh+yxS470bvenu9nNLJ UXiFRNjUYPvk9OjkKopNXscBXgQXK0zNhwAixNs6K0t7B0v2cNAg+oN159FgSQXH8k Xq8IDyi93N7xCI4o+nq+ns/Z71tQb6nkPRTgtl4U= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a50b2edaf2a2c Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Project Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net _http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/3434151031.html_ (http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/3434151031.html) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 26 03:42:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E03A43865 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 03:42:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com (nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.168.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EFD5437D1 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 03:40:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from nskntotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.191.92.239]) by nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20121126104117.LYEQ10884.nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:41:17 +0000 Received: from HOME ([124.191.92.239]) by nskntotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20121126104117.EFMI9417.nskntotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com@HOME> for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:41:17 +0000 From: "Wally Menke" To: "Tiger's List" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:41:17 +1100 Thread-Index: Ac3LwpBu9R3SDP7sTvqKxYN/aoKp3g== Content-Language: en-au Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger content - Driving in Russia Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi All If your thinking of doing a driving holiday in Russia this might just change your mind! https://www.youtube.com/embed/oFkw5JFOmHk _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 26 04:13:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CADD43875 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:13:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836D9435A1 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from v8tiger.demon.co.uk ([80.176.224.11]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1TcwZ5-0002yg-lg; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:09:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:09:15 +0000 To: Wally Menke From: Jeff Howarth References: <002e01cdcbc2$90a35690$b1ea03b0$@net.au> User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () Cc: Tiger's List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Non Tiger content - Driving in Russia Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Wally, I was in Moscow last week and all I can say is that compilation could have been done in a day !! :-) Jeff In message <002e01cdcbc2$90a35690$b1ea03b0$@net.au>, Wally Menke writes >Hi All > > > >If your thinking of doing a driving holiday in Russia this might just change >your mind! > > > > >https://www.youtube.com/embed/oFkw5JFOmHk >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk > > > -- Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 26 09:54:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C4C4388A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:54:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C59040EC3 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:38:44 -0700 (MST) a=TC/MWr4S5H1fxMnpTElb6Q==:17 a=ThoboZlJyEEA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=6-o5orX_hSEA:10 a=uHZIfB5U83GKVK6tcVAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=TC/MWr4S5H1fxMnpTElb6Q==:117 Received: from [69.133.36.251] ([69.133.36.251:63024] helo=OwnerHP) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 46/D4-00785-82B93B05; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:39:04 +0000 From: "Curt Hoffman" To: "'Tiger's List'" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:39:03 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac3L9APpoK44cDNeTbCbIdilUvm2DQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Seat handles Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have a good substitute for the rubber / plastic (whatever they started as) handle covers on the seat back release handle? I don't see any listed anywhere. Mine have morphed into a broken mess of some mystery composition. I was thinking about dipping the handles in the rubber compound used to coat tool handles and the like but would go easier if there is something around. Thanks Curt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 26 14:47:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE4F438A5 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:47:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB2943811 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:24:33 -0700 (MST) a=TC/MWr4S5H1fxMnpTElb6Q==:17 a=ThoboZlJyEEA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=g_kHWTEQM-sA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=lnWs2gFpDCMA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=vcXjRoMfLGB0ITfl3SMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=dwKofg3LglR8tVCFfVEA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=sSERD0ptMC-V8mz9:21 a=TC/MWr4S5H1fxMnpTElb6Q==:117 Received: from [69.133.36.251] ([69.133.36.251:63788] helo=OwnerHP) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D0/B0-00785-A2ED3B05; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:24:59 +0000 From: "Curt Hoffman" To: , "'Tiger's List'" References: <240fa.1b8252ff.3de52768@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:24:57 -0500 Thread-Index: AQLwlOpLVRHMZYNA0MT2EEjXsIl285W3DdbA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] seat back handle cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks. I tried there first before going to the list. They no longer stock either of the seat track handle covers. Nor do CAT, Classic Sunbeam and Victoria. I think the dipping may be my best solution unless I can find a suitable alternative. Probably other cars out there with similar handles. Problem is knowing which : ) Curt From: Rollright@aol.com [mailto:Rollright@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:13 PM To: choffman9@cinci.rr.com Subject: seat back handle cover Use Risk at SS 's seat track handle cover Jim Armstrong ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- From: "Curt Hoffman" To: "'Tiger's List'" Subject: [Tigers] Seat handles Does anyone have a good substitute for the rubber / plastic (whatever they started as) handle covers on the seat back release handle? I don't see any listed anywhere. Mine have morphed into a broken mess of some mystery composition. I was thinking about dipping the handles in the rubber compound used to coat tool handles and the like but would go easier if there is something around. Thanks Curt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 27 07:51:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE743438E7 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 07:51:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe003.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.183]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43EE438C3 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 07:26:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail231-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.249) by CH1EHSOBE006.bigfish.com (10.43.70.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:27:03 +0000 Received: from mail231-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail231-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A1AE40097; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:27:03 +0000 (UTC) IPV:NLI; H:BL2PRD0611HT005.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail231-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail231-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1354026421354756_18819; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS034.bigfish.com (snatpool3.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.226]) by mail231-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC81B80052; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BL2PRD0611HT005.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (157.56.240.229) by CH1EHSMHS034.bigfish.com (10.43.70.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:27:00 +0000 Received: from BL2PRD0611MB398.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.4.42]) by BL2PRD0611HT005.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.105.168]) with mapi id 14.16.0239.002; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:26:55 +0000 From: Greg Koss To: Sandy Ganz , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] 67 MKII timing chain/gear question Thread-Index: AQHNx4udgBnBXs6rnE2iiFRsG6mKLJfzxpbmgAAXr4CAAL5ggIAABUkAgAklDOA= Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:26:55 +0000 References: <2E4B4BB948D14DD092482D08FF095ED2@student2> <148224867.410329.1353481569694.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <000f01cdc815$de3cd710$9ab68530$@suddenlink.net> <1353523586.79635.YahooMailRC@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [12.174.136.146] Subject: Re: [Tigers] 67 MKII timing chain/gear question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If you wait for failure, you will have to remove the oil pan to extricate all the plastic bits. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:46 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 67 MKII timing chain/gear question Gene - You do not need to run the excentric on the cam. Remeber the cam is spinning at 1/2 speed and the amount of out of balance will not matter. Just make sure your bolt doesn't bottom out or anything odd like that in the cam. I have never run them on any SBF due to electric pumps, I think that is the norm. Also as mentioned it's a good investment to get a roller chain, not that much more and a nicer part. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:06 AM To: Thomas Witt Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 67 MKII timing chain/gear question Tom, do you or any other "Lister"', know if the unused mechanical fuel pump eccentric on the end of the cam at the upper timing gear is really needed? If you put in a double row timing chain, as I recall there is not room to also put on that eccentric without cutting it down a bit. Since the original motors came with it installed, I have always wondered if the cams may be somehow rotationally balanced with the expectation that eccentric is on the end of the cam. If so, it would seem a good idea to keep as much of an eccentric on the cam end as possible. Just wondering if anyone knows how important is that eccentric. Maybe like the human appendix?! Gene This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message. 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Is there such a place as a 'photo' gallery of a stock\original pictures by engine, brakes, suspension areas etc that people could refer to when doing work on their cars? Of course the manuals get down to the specifics of each individual part with pictures, but say I wanted to see how\where brake\fuel lines are run, fuel pump\carburetor plumbing\routing, location of things in the engine compartment etc - that overview of pictures, I have not found. Any thoughts on this? Is it out there anywhere? 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[74.82.82.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s20sm2479564igs.10.2012.11.29.12.22.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:22:31 -0800 (PST) References: <1354217071.2668.YahooMailClassic@web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Joel Martin" , tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net From: dave@munroe.ca Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:22:29 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel: AFAIK, no such photo inventory exists, but from my own experience would be extremely useful. There is a series of books on car and motorcycle marques which deliver just such photographs and written descriptions called "Original (MGB or Triumph or Austin Healey or Ducati...) But no Alpine or Tiger. A few years ago I suggested we create a similar on-line inventory of just such photos to Steve Laifman when he was the editor of the TU website, and in his inimitable and diplomatic way suggested it would be a great job for me! Well, far be it for me to shirk my responsibility to this Tiger group to pay back in some way for all the invaluable help I have received over the past 10 years during which I have been restoring my Tiger. But the task proved beyond daunting to a guy that has the only known Tiger for 800 miles, and which example would never suffice as a model for another's restorer's needs! But there are thousands of photos on the net that a good sleuth could uncover to create just such an inventory. What we really need is for an owner of an original, unmolested Tiger to photograph the car in intimate detail, stem to stern, starboard to larboard and throw them up on the TU or CAT or TE/AE website for all to reference and download. Many of these photographs exist already, but it would be a serious undertaking to find them, clear copywrite permissions etc and properly file them for easy reference and accessibility. Got any free time Joel? Anyone else have any good ideas? Dave Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: Joel Martin To: Subject: [Tigers] Photo Gallery This is a request from tiger dummy to all the knowledgeable folks out there. Is there such a place as a 'photo' gallery of a stock\original pictures by engine, brakes, suspension areas etc that people could refer to when doing work on their cars? Of course the manuals get down to the specifics of each individual part with pictures, but say I wanted to see how\where brake\fuel lines are run, fuel pump\carburetor plumbing\routing, location of things in the engine compartment etc - that overview of pictures, I have not found. Any thoughts on this? Is it out there anywhere? Joel _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 29 13:35:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D7043986 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:35:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.114]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173D7437F0 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:28:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2012 20:28:26 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.244] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2012 20:28:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1058.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2012 20:28:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 4657 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2012 20:28:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1354220906; bh=QEZPkGu+rOc7qVBhQYqUjyx1y/Lju5Gi/Xb9PkDalFM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DgALAm20RmmoMvUvyD0p9jDuxAwHVLwjJq3ubI2NOq5Y/9LY91D2IgqOgdLpOukqPMwkauEBF1UHZpvHrlFuJx1TAxPMFcQBuDXI5QW+rqyDn6skeTNtkKAQ+9rt7CQiL3dKAFummvba8uLU9+1l1QV8/PUIDDuAlI558+2sdnA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rkopHutpslWpKZHo41oRm7aBNLSPVMUfIlBLdYiQEcDlXArP3miqkbcQBqn2+oYReZckrQav4HXLbKZ2j+yWDLuyuG9jtczOa0HX3Jr0aTt45MRmUSWEhGNrsdRV3qfbLd7ZZfsi6P46NqRBqxHldDffQT+Eky3fAzbsEdINZVo=; 162PJUwoqDxeSUEIPB6FAhT2o7pMMa3mwjZNrB.fZ4xbfQdn3ntEVrQFZSnj hoNILKwe6vF5TZm2MMzmZTl4ROHBQK.70X0_4tIngif5j5CVL4RIwf1lesgI GBb4m4gl9htSu_iAqxhSF.80Vj6RJrWt0aJ.XHohaHECaOY0BF0OtsKOPRMC zUEbJ9L8f8wRN04fIqw5GDuq2YN8vSTnfNf7tTYP_dRw3wwmgAyoRkEY6ldg LLY3FJFAVxav0myXtZajMg2.GJ5VbZpF46vrtVxEG6Pd_rSCh3NUUiH_7iy3 pzdhwDi.kAYGWMcYSzKGVyUG3STDKZTJmKZBcInQ.2Gc2ligluhyVxzPRkVy wt9ZU8Bb2AVcUljdE1m8pkBgWBxx9EZUd_JBMcnuxNFxm8Bqc.el0201fPEf 9k88FZFBiQF.CBz4daYkPO8Ozef3Bl4z5dBBza85BtEX9DCqeNq.9R86BAYj jTgKuCBm.yUf6aC.Rof0sviT.eF.tNgJsc8knFM8a9D20fvIEc7E1V61i0DD zqUYUDDTdqxGplLBL4_EIl_oK1oN.yC02fJGlPyW7HFXqQhOHQPW19bNXTi5 fcd9Mf_j1fAaclbBVv.aqzYGIgzsp8g3sFX8f6a_bh0cl5sqTuWAJN1144OP vBqxMhL4hEhf3BB0zwZ9e1TiFqq4b Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web124704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:28:26 PST QnVjaw0KwqANClRoYW5rcyBmb3IgdGhlIHVwZGF0ZSAtIGFueSBwaWN0dXJlcyBhdCBhbGwgcmVnYXJkaW5nIGJyYWtlIGFuZCBmdWVsIGxpbmUgcm91dGluZy7CoCBUaGF0IGlzIG5leHQgb24gbXkgbGlzdCB0byBpbnN0YWxsIHdoaWxlIEkgaGF2ZSBhY2Nlc3MgdG8gYSBsaWZ0IGFuZCBiZWZvcmUgSSBoYXZlIHRvIG1vdmUgY2FyIGZyb20gcGFpbnRcYm9keSBzaG9wLg0KwqANCkkgYm91Z2h0IHRoZSBicmFrZSBsaW5lIGtpdCBmcm9tIFNTIGFuZCBwbGFuIHRvIHVwIHRoZSBmdWVsIGxpbmUgc2l6ZSBmcm8BMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:28:26 -0800 (PST) From: Joel Martin To: Buck Trippel Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Buck Thanks for the update - any pictures at all regarding brake and fuel line routing. That is next on my list to install while I have access to a lift and before I have to move car from paint\body shop. I bought the brake line kit from SS and plan to up the fuel line size from 5/16" to 3/8" due to 65 HiPo motor and thinking about a Holly Red electric fuel pump 12-801-1 with a fuel filter before inlet and one at the 'front right side of of engine' but not sure where that is and which filters would be period correct. Any ideas or pictures to get me over the hump. Again, thanks for the reply. Joel --- On Thu, 11/29/12, Buck Trippel wrote: From: Buck Trippel Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery To: "Joel Martin" Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 2:59 PM Hi Joel, As far as I know, the answer right now is "no". However a group of us (mostly CAT members) have been working on that project, collecting suitable pictures for the past several years. (not that this helps you now. Sorry!) Our plan is to post low res versions on the TU site. Then we will give each of the clubs high res DVDs that they can distribute to their members as they see fit. Most of these pictures are on a computer of mine that blew up early this year and I've just got working again. Our main problem is time but finding what we consider suitable cars has also been a challenge. (I still would like to find a beautiful MK1 in a light color, like white or med. blue.) Time: I'm running a Tiger racing program and will probably again do another year as the CAT president. Most of us just went to England to work at the Rootes Archive and we're also involved in re-writing the CAT Shop Notes. I'm also trying to get a new contractor to build a batch of stainless Tiger headers for CAT. I'm involved in a number of Tiger projects and the photo project has been on a back burner because it's a low priority not to mention my computer problems. I doubt we'll do much more on the photos before January. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Martin" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: [Tigers] Photo Gallery > This is a request from tiger dummy to all the knowledgeable folks out there. > Is there such a place as a 'photo' gallery of a stock\original pictures by > engine, brakes, suspension areas etc that people could refer to when doing > work on their cars? > > Of course the manuals get down to the specifics of each individual part with > pictures, but say I wanted to see how\where brake\fuel lines are run, fuel > pump\carburetor plumbing\routing, location of things in the engine compartment > etc - that overview of pictures, I have not found. > > Any thoughts on this? Is it out there anywhere? > > Joel > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 29 13:50:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A40439A2 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:50:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6CC437F1 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:41:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2012 20:41:26 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.197] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2012 20:41:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1055.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2012 20:41:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 7752 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2012 20:41:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1354221686; bh=ngIzbIQFEAE/LmHfVPCwC8IBmC9lRZ3mFzbuzIfh3iQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oW8Vcot3K01u5D2NWSNKX8GLSFllMpjjMdvlFqz+QS1JVn0vHBHfTvakfK7c6TZT76FYhNjXUn8nz6nMM+MArJEroN28kMY+8aKCzanQsRljqzB6EHb3dyoBR6dv6ow0jjBhYeL6uIBRXhKUiDM6t421cxGcjPjFRBz9cSXYHx8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EToKUR4U0q0NrgfttUZKjFmamV4sGbbyn4XfkwWLrn+CvjRjZC6Wq6Kv/ubbrrGTBQq6l4WaRNAKMlWTeeQ1A+ORfKqW9Pe4dPGN8S4RhMm8LqAcXP4+1YFbZLjEBueURWbLD0tkEdnwoinuWw1PKO8IA9XkOmCO0ud7yH5bOtc=; rVAJUCE4Q9vXd6RpIKxGvx6i79bA3nml1ZlOUBb_sgCgd9YVyJV2YZyMJ7X4 vZkghBM_kKCkGJRxGTwQSUUAI8kN_Vwm2kcDfyyrdzTCoKUNZphSzdCOJoO3 3u6GgHNncyxgq5QR9h5qAZvAHNZqiZ2OvoptVQbJjZ7zwTDKkrmxGYxQ6uCk NVAjx9P3hcNOw8dl1FAm4GIT7q9M1wJD2wSxhW2MOlRQhwjec3dMMhZpcdXx kKKZgiQbPTmw7UUmkDwjD08ZSlWVLpIo9IzJpqmektRic1EbG16prHlERa_N N_U0WvhZ4OQ.FF.cLsj3gj3RKR_GGY1KZdVpyeyEh3.MdNU6gL_GgkLvOUy3 CHPLT46_hrPI95.qyy8ct61axercMHNLwZJCGYOMH_n.iaLLOtpn82MjVDKz m40Dx0qtRT_jS5STHBtJDorqeHQ42xDXEkhHxovAoUxJB56851WNnO7yZHgE G2RGIOUCjWgnYbaUuWGC.pjsgjMbuk3iX1PKwgj6P80rSrOIvYm6RUU0bx2j .NWFv.JdNpL7uzO93PkEEYqSoY7Cl.YFpz11mBa3n59AcAZGMR6v7IQKUAm2 FGtAR6Q2Sh_HXPkSXGGniztcRXgwLqdhj4_qTdPAKzMKN.N5M6ecZsZ7DcMJ SYfjVzRhHZ0JgE8wms7j9JeMEGUjFEXuDNpoHef_QwsHdbcypfxZ.hzncIgr 7HWg- Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web124701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:41:26 PST RGF2ZQ0KwqANClRoYW5rcyBmb3IgdGhlIHJlc3BvbnNlLsKgIEZyZWUgdGltZSB3aXRoIGEgdGlnZXIganVzdCBjb21pbmcgb3V0IG9mIHRoZSBwYWludFxib2R5IHNob3AgYW5kIG93bmVyIHByZXNzaW5nIHlvdSB0byBnZXQgdGhlIGNhciBvdXQsIHRoZSBzaG9ydCBhbnN3ZXIgaXMgTk8uwqAgSSBoYXZlIGluc3RhbGxlZCBlbmdpbmUsIHRyYW5zLCBmcm9udCBjcm9zcyBtZW1iZXIsIHJlYXIgZW5kIGFuZCBkcml2ZSBzaGFmdCwgd2hpbGUgSSBoYXZlIGFjY2VzcyB0byBoaXMgbGlmdC4NCsKgDQpNeSBwbGEBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:41:26 -0800 (PST) From: Joel Martin To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net, dave@munroe.ca Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dave Thanks for the response. Free time with a tiger just coming out of the paint\body shop and owner pressing you to get the car out, the short answer is NO. I have installed engine, trans, front cross member, rear end and drive shaft, while I have access to his lift. My plan right or wrong is to get the gas tanks in (which are being recoated as we speak), upgrade gas line to 3/8" from 5/16" due to 65 HiPo motor and install a Holly Red Electric fuel pump 12-801-1 ---What do you all think? Rebuild autolite 4100 Carb - any good suggestions as to vendors? Then install carb, brake booster, clutch and brake master then off the muffler shop to install 2" SS pipes\clamps etc with Flowmaster 40 series mufflers (part nos?? that fit tiger with h-pipe per the photos on TU? I would like to get the correct cut\angle of the tips if anyone knows what those are? Plus the exact measurements of how far the tips are to stick out the back and measured from where? The muffler shop will also install the brake and fuel lines but I do not know the routings to show him the correct locations? Thus the email questions. Any help\pictures would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Joel --- On Thu, 11/29/12, dave@munroe.ca wrote: From: dave@munroe.ca Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery To: "Joel Martin" , tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 3:22 PM Joel: AFAIK, no such photo inventory exists, but from my own experience would be extremely useful. There is a series of books on car and motorcycle marques which deliver just such photographs and written descriptions called "Original (MGB or Triumph or Austin Healey or Ducati...) But no Alpine or Tiger. A few years ago I suggested we create a similar on-line inventory of just such photos to Steve Laifman when he was the editor of the TU website, and in his inimitable and diplomatic way suggested it would be a great job for me! Well, far be it for me to shirk my responsibility to this Tiger group to pay back in some way for all the invaluable help I have received over the past 10 years during which I have been restoring my Tiger. But the task proved beyond daunting to a guy that has the only known Tiger for 800 miles, and which example would never suffice as a model for another's restorer's needs! But there are thousands of photos on the net that a good sleuth could uncover to create just such an inventory. What we really need is for an owner of an original, unmolested Tiger to photograph the car in intimate detail, stem to stern, starboard to larboard and throw them up on the TU or CAT or TE/AE website for all to reference and download. Many of these photographs exist already, but it would be a serious undertaking to find them, clear copywrite permissions etc and properly file them for easy reference and accessibility. Got any free time Joel? Anyone else have any good ideas? Dave Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: Joel Martin To: Subject: [Tigers] Photo Gallery This is a request from tiger dummy to all the knowledgeable folks out there. Is there such a place as a 'photo' gallery of a stock\original pictures by engine, brakes, suspension areas etc that people could refer to when doing work on their cars? Of course the manuals get down to the specifics of each individual part with pictures, but say I wanted to see how\where brake\fuel lines are run, fuel pump\carburetor plumbing\routing, location of things in the engine compartment etc - that overview of pictures, I have not found. Any thoughts on this? Is it out there anywhere? Joel _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 29 13:51:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8414439E2 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:51:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCAB0435A4 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:50:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id qATKosbo014209; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:50:54 -0500 Received: from core-mlc001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.207]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B71D8E000081; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:50:54 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:50:54 -0500 (EST) To: jmartiniii@yahoo.com, BuckTrippel@Verizon.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1354222254; bh=aeMhK6SVfnCaA96a8SnsrFsOmSOtqy11LD6buqWcqWg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Pb+/DXuad+oCFsjCPVm/g/HxFbuJ9oe/ILOlDgCWytyyJXu9aUcCr9tGLqIz9+Ba7 jqpnDNF8XDKU9sdYSvukdMLgRX/TDi95yGitnoJfvNjI/pllt1xF3Se1eCq9huwLaH UttmTnnDfISyrRENY8w4JlJmFakRobFkalTuSHOU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb50b7caae6f4a Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I think if you are going to put a filter "before the inlet" then that area probably won't be period correct (but in my opinion a worthwhile concession). If you do put a filter there you might also consider a shut off valve before the filter. Really handy when you want to disconnect the fuel line for any reason and you have a full tank. Mark In a message dated 11/29/2012 3:34:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jmartiniii@yahoo.com writes: Buck Thanks for the update - any pictures at all regarding brake and fuel line routing. That is next on my list to install while I have access to a lift and before I have to move car from paint\body shop. I bought the brake line kit from SS and plan to up the fuel line size from 5/16" to 3/8" due to 65 HiPo motor and thinking about a Holly Red electric fuel pump 12-801-1 with a fuel filter before inlet and one at the 'front right side of of engine' but not sure where that is and which filters would be period correct. Any ideas or pictures to get me over the hump. Again, thanks for the reply. Joel --- On Thu, 11/29/12, Buck Trippel wrote: From: Buck Trippel Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery To: "Joel Martin" Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 2:59 PM Hi Joel, As far as I know, the answer right now is "no". However a group of us (mostly CAT members) have been working on that project, collecting suitable pictures for the past several years. (not that this helps you now. Sorry!) Our plan is to post low res versions on the TU site. Then we will give each of the clubs high res DVDs that they can distribute to their members as they see fit. Most of these pictures are on a computer of mine that blew up early this year and I've just got working again. Our main problem is time but finding what we consider suitable cars has also been a challenge. (I still would like to find a beautiful MK1 in a light color, like white or med. blue.) Time: I'm running a Tiger racing program and will probably again do another year as the CAT president. Most of us just went to England to work at the Rootes Archive and we're also involved in re-writing the CAT Shop Notes. I'm also trying to get a new contractor to build a batch of stainless Tiger headers for CAT. I'm involved in a number of Tiger projects and the photo project has been on a back burner because it's a low priority not to mention my computer problems. I doubt we'll do much more on the photos before January. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Martin" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: [Tigers] Photo Gallery > This is a request from tiger dummy to all the knowledgeable folks out there. > Is there such a place as a 'photo' gallery of a stock\original pictures by > engine, brakes, suspension areas etc that people could refer to when doing > work on their cars? > > Of course the manuals get down to the specifics of each individual part with > pictures, but say I wanted to see how\where brake\fuel lines are run, fuel > pump\carburetor plumbing\routing, location of things in the engine compartment > etc - that overview of pictures, I have not found. > > Any thoughts on this? Is it out there anywhere? > > Joel > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 29 14:21:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB52443978 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:21:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66635437D9 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:16:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3F9AB1C000174 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqd003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.9]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C3BAAE000081 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:16:19 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:16:19 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1354223780; bh=pzaJlsHZwfHKXrrRovBGe5XmuM6b4hNULD+N2juKVSo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QdSB4jJhG5088v/92cmGkY9Utv368ktCnQwe3Dp4n52HTOtIX8y4GhYUoO+xBiauF ++JChO3AKHjJ9jfWZ5kIQC2cmfq77oanM8QKiYRQjFAy0R/kqbOCHn+dpQ5B3SU/vC 9K9CGJ8aqaKRXFh8WY26GJ82LIqM6mIWIc6alohw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b50b7d0a36dd7 Subject: [Tigers] Photo record Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, Several years ago, I posed a similar question on this list, about a set of pix that would, from top to bottom capture a Tiger. I have a friend that introduced me to a shop in CA that the A-H community calls "The Healey Gods". They have a set of photos that depict a big Healy (I know, there a several) in restoration. These guys are so anal about originality that they put me to shame. I had an old A-M that I sourced some parts for through these guys. Absolutely fantastic people. The picture set (some 100 shots) cost about $100. I'd buy a Tiger set in a NY minute. There is a guy here in Mass named Dana Freeman with an original, unmolested car. Are there any out there in the left coast? James Armstrong Marblehead, MA rollright@aol.com 781-631-1593 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 29 14:21:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBB043A34 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:21:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.136]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36FD437D9 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:19:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2012 21:20:06 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.37] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2012 21:20:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2012 21:20:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1354224006; bh=fEnZP5BZxsEtQoh9vNqZ2gYXPA3JBL/tdSDjYDLp2Wk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=ZvJQMoUwC8AmrNAJagHDdm0liHXpnQnlylwXxd7q0ZoSR5Y0aVUL3JUZu4SL3elLkdmbZVhajqi1iG3Ex+bRsAoZiHPHmDEV2DgOa/jhT5YEegnN2N6jOGAezkQiy22kVxj5ZD53hjFiK80bbeG+R9PGjmCcX1jLk/xkbETJ49Q= axgUJNI7fHkzjndH0x8cgwhRE0ac41cv2WuroaEBrkGKizNioeviWs2bw27h A9J_b1H0wpFPc1i39SUVJlLRAXSO4MhP3eLnVZzGRuQE4nukW9fdkLrDMYNy ArnriL3xnAryTmBy50jz0sW5sgwNnIKlkCVjhE43jSupxa_d5kvB4bRzE.4F OONt8PG7Zqv.s_G_UMZEkfmrLRjxeOHKkUox9ls32NU9Ze3ELDfuPORvVbdL b2d9tpuEuzcOdUj0.zdPTcENnVoof1.6j4N.3mcRSEH_gLlAX7hibsdl_RjR hdsDDrzUyYRHccUMQCno_1AlQ7_FbWrZPSrIPQNTDMXKc3gov19sfYGucwh2 oJnTaWVz_sDBPkziLguh90dIijBadKZveZFuujunvl487FQJLfrW8LV5GrBB _ykphUB6s1fObcBi3YkaKI0OQGlVbK4uijXWbnKkoNKEI3OkAXwsCox1Ru_O dkpom3K8PwoM2YmY0oL8lZXD3tBOm2G5Mmu2RYlrSDnjyspGfBXdOkyqpA9d 1i0FxckWSdOM- Received: from [10.0.1.21] (stephen_grove@99.33.95.74 with plain) by smtp105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2012 13:20:06 -0800 PST From: Steve Grove Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:20:03 -0800 References: <1354220906.75986.YahooMailClassic@web124704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: Joel Martin Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Buck and Joel. I am a software developer and Tiger owner and built a simple trading platform and online parts catalog a while back. It is a work in progress but has a way to easily update pictures and track parts you are looking for. This is not part of the CAT project mentioned below, but thought it may be a helpful platform if folks are looking at a tool to use to share and collaborate. The trading part of the platform is really secondary. http://foundparts.com/browse If there is interest, I could possibly alter the software to fit the online photo catalog need more directly. Steve On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Joel Martin wrote: > Buck > > Thanks for the update - any pictures at all regarding brake and fuel line > routing. That is next on my list to install while I have access to a lift and > before I have to move car from paint\body shop. > > I bought the brake line kit from SS and plan to up the fuel line size from > 5/16" to 3/8" due to 65 HiPo motor and thinking about a Holly Red electric > fuel pump 12-801-1 with a fuel filter before inlet and one at the 'front right > side of of engine' but not sure where that is and which filters would be > period correct. > > Any ideas or pictures to get me over the hump. > > Again, thanks for the reply. > > Joel > > --- On Thu, 11/29/12, Buck Trippel wrote: > > > From: Buck Trippel > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery > To: "Joel Martin" > Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 2:59 PM > > > Hi Joel, > > As far as I know, the answer right now is "no". > > However a group of us (mostly CAT members) have been working on that project, > collecting suitable pictures for the past several years. (not that this helps > you now. Sorry!) > > Our plan is to post low res versions on the TU site. Then we will give each of > the clubs high res DVDs that they can distribute to their members as they see > fit. Most of these pictures are on a computer of mine that blew up early this > year and I've just got working again. > > Our main problem is time but finding what we consider suitable cars has also > been a challenge. (I still would like to find a beautiful MK1 in a light > color, like white or med. blue.) > > Time: > I'm running a Tiger racing program and will probably again do another year as > the CAT president. Most of us just went to England to work at the Rootes > Archive and we're also involved in re-writing the CAT Shop Notes. > I'm also trying to get a new contractor to build a batch of stainless Tiger > headers for CAT. I'm involved in a number of Tiger projects and the photo > project has been on a back burner because it's a low priority not to mention > my computer problems. > > I doubt we'll do much more on the photos before January. > > Buck Trippel > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Martin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:24 AM > Subject: [Tigers] Photo Gallery > > >> This is a request from tiger dummy to all the knowledgeable folks out > there. >> Is there such a place as a 'photo' gallery of a stock\original pictures by >> engine, brakes, suspension areas etc that people could refer to when doing >> work on their cars? >> >> Of course the manuals get down to the specifics of each individual part > with >> pictures, but say I wanted to see how\where brake\fuel lines are run, fuel >> pump\carburetor plumbing\routing, location of things in the engine > compartment >> etc - that overview of pictures, I have not found. >> >> Any thoughts on this? Is it out there anywhere? >> >> Joel >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stephen_grove@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 29 14:35:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00244381A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:35:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00329437D9 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:30:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FACA1388 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:31:22 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:31:22 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <4475f.465c4a07.3de92aa3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo record Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I really should get the Team.Net forums up and running again. Unlike these old school mailing lists the forums allow pictures, a good place to share with others. 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[74.82.82.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u4sm2673486igw.6.2012.11.29.13.30.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:30:46 -0800 (PST) References: <772690589-1354220549-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-935062202-@b28.c12.bise6.blackberry> <1354221686.86231.YahooMailClassic@web124701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Joel Martin" , tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net From: dave@munroe.ca Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:30:44 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ho ho I am not surprised you are up to your ears in it Joel! Your build path and parts list sound great - have at it. Many of us have specific photos you can use - I would suggest you ask for very specific pics and see what you get. I will watch for what you need and will respond if I have what you need. Beat of luck with your resto! Dave Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: Joel Martin Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:41:26 To: ; ; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Dave Thanks for the response. Free time with a tiger just coming out of the paint\body shop and owner pressing you to get the car out, the short answer is NO. I have installed engine, trans, front cross member, rear end and drive shaft, while I have access to his lift. My plan right or wrong is to get the gas tanks in (which are being recoated as we speak), upgrade gas line to 3/8" from 5/16" due to 65 HiPo motor and install a Holly Red Electric fuel pump 12-801-1 ---What do you all think? Rebuild autolite 4100 Carb - any good suggestions as to vendors? Then install carb, brake booster, clutch and brake master then off the muffler shop to install 2" SS pipes\clamps etc with Flowmaster 40 series mufflers (part nos?? that fit tiger with h-pipe per the photos on TU? I would like to get the correct cut\angle of the tips if anyone knows what those are? Plus the exact measurements of how far the tips are to stick out the back and measured from where? The muffler shop will also install the brake and fuel lines but I do not know the routings to show him the correct locations? Thus the email questions. Any help\pictures would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Joel --- On Thu, 11/29/12, dave@munroe.ca wrote: From: dave@munroe.ca Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery To: "Joel Martin" , tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 3:22 PM Joel: AFAIK, no such photo inventory exists, but from my own experience would be extremely useful. There is a series of books on car and motorcycle marques which deliver just such photographs and written descriptions called "Original (MGB or Triumph or Austin Healey or Ducati...) But no Alpine or Tiger. A few years ago I suggested we create a similar on-line inventory of just such photos to Steve Laifman when he was the editor of the TU website, and in his inimitable and diplomatic way suggested it would be a great job for me! Well, far be it for me to shirk my responsibility to this Tiger group to pay back in some way for all the invaluable help I have received over the past 10 years during which I have been restoring my Tiger. But the task proved beyond daunting to a guy that has the only known Tiger for 800 miles, and which example would never suffice as a model for another's restorer's needs! But there are thousands of photos on the net that a good sleuth could uncover to create just such an inventory. What we really need is for an owner of an original, unmolested Tiger to photograph the car in intimate detail, stem to stern, starboard to larboard and throw them up on the TU or CAT or TE/AE website for all to reference and download. Many of these photographs exist already, but it would be a serious undertaking to find them, clear copywrite permissions etc and properly file them for easy reference and accessibility. Got any free time Joel? Anyone else have any good ideas? Dave Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: Joel Martin To: Subject: [Tigers] Photo Gallery This is a request from tiger dummy to all the knowledgeable folks out there. Is there such a place as a 'photo' gallery of a stock\original pictures by engine, brakes, suspension areas etc that people could refer to when doing work on their cars? Of course the manuals get down to the specifics of each individual part with pictures, but say I wanted to see how\where brake\fuel lines are run, fuel pump\carburetor plumbing\routing, location of things in the engine compartment etc - that overview of pictures, I have not found. Any thoughts on this? Is it out there anywhere? Joel _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 29 14:55:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4CC643838 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:55:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C6C437EC for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:55:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id qATLrcUH017209; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:55:23 -0800 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id sj1-dm103.5099ec08.47a0ce; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:55:22 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.177.92]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:55:14 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:55:10 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac3OcP7LFj56OaHcSRGVkf56AXfPVAACXFUg engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8185,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-11-29_05:2012-11-29,2012-11-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1211290212 Cc: 'Tiger List Serve' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel Sometimes the picture gallery of Tigers for sale show undercarriage; you might want to look for any Tiger listed online. The original fuel filter for both Mk I and II is C2RZ-9155-A with clinch type hose clamps. Today's equivalent is Fram G2 for 5/16" fuel line. You would need a different filter for the 3/8" line. I believe I have a picture of the stock location of the fuel filter for a MK I. I will do a search and send separately. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:28 PM To: Buck Trippel Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Buck Thanks for the update - any pictures at all regarding brake and fuel line routing. That is next on my list to install while I have access to a lift and before I have to move car from paint\body shop. I bought the brake line kit from SS and plan to up the fuel line size from 5/16" to 3/8" due to 65 HiPo motor and thinking about a Holly Red electric fuel pump 12-801-1 with a fuel filter before inlet and one at the 'front right side of of engine' but not sure where that is and which filters would be period correct. Any ideas or pictures to get me over the hump. Again, thanks for the reply. Joel _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 29 15:11:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E8143852 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:11:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0323F437ED for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:11:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from BucksLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.229.205]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0ME900JLUSAPSEK0@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for Tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:11:13 -0600 (CST) From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Steve Grove" , "Joel Martin" References: <1354220906.75986.YahooMailClassic@web124704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:11:03 -0800 Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Joel & Steve, Forgive me if I gave the impression that the photo project (that I mentioned in my email to Joel which was then posted to the Tiger list) was a CAT project. It's not. My intent is for it to be open to all Tiger owners. It will be open access and hopefully it will include input from any who want to help. I mentioned CAT because many of those involved are wearing several Tiger "hats", all of which soak up a lot of our time and many of those Tiger projects are CAT related. Once the pictures get assembled, various Tiger "experts" from all over the country have offered to provide written commentary. The problem we run into is that while some pronounce "rules" about what is "correct", there are many exceptions. In the case of the Tiger there were a lot of different cooks in the kitchen. One contractor built and painted the bodies and another contractor then modified those and installed a drive train. During a car's build "correct" pieces may not have been available and others were substituted. Mistakes were made on the production line. Many of these sort of issues benefit from explanation. Theo will be coordinating the actual web work but I certainly think Steve's offer to help on developing a platform for displaying the pictures could be a great step forward. We've got great pictures of a proper Mk1a and of a correct MKII but I'd really like more MK1 pictures, preferably from a light colored car. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Grove" To: "Joel Martin" Cc: "Buck Trippel" ; "Tiger List Serve" Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery > Hi Buck and Joel. > > I am a software developer and Tiger owner and built a simple trading > platform and online parts catalog a while back. It is a work in progress > but has a way to easily update pictures and track parts you are looking > for. This is not part of the CAT project mentioned below, but thought it > may be a helpful platform if folks are looking at a tool to use to share > and collaborate. The trading part of the platform is really secondary. > > http://foundparts.com/browse > > If there is interest, I could possibly alter the software to fit the > online photo catalog need more directly. > > Steve _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 29 15:38:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB9D4382A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:38:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAF1437F4 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:33:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2012 22:33:49 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.119] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2012 22:33:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2012 22:33:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 53445 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2012 22:33:48 -0000 s=s1024; t=1354228428; bh=lNV+qeNyVlF6RnC8F2j5vkRmZ18vDsS6d9y93vmZc+8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MLMpIRwRGSEIGnPovjGFfL3DP7B5gP3Xu+0UaQ7UB0ic7Wv/7p51hm+uglMbh2ncw9SqKjDAhNxt0V/nfSeQRUBpURKxRvTjhpqe/m3FW4Kow+NJjU6HiJ/zcHkuQVwsUb1VSnwKwiRgCL3MjdYJ9IyslRWCZXUzcCvvjEa2Ls4= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Y+hbhAnu+Ke/ArvZ1MygZuO7oy5yCvDU2pceUhcKnKOpSlaFDAelNCQ+zZYTIYrppKW7Mc16hHsynzwzVnFhLQJJdjA3NzQM1GsqEnDfPe4sx/hpeO0utoYLks3rb6uAYaKpkyCMsZwSKfNaxyDE7I6/lIqTUlwBGmXoA3QGPVM=; Fjd8IDYTchA4DYune86UW15iATboIWEJE1Nnf1l.dkF1Z02y0.He1OibDGHi lJzgPVbyPQiDexvzs8Gygd4JPmQRurtHbLynTAEBRz9aKxUdtJdZxw.7WHbB KJDC5Q8UpV0NdBLfaPOgbGRlJL3cMTaIPf7t5PdC9bLm1PJdc4UeURfDHz5L Anhwao6C5B9oWVZnG2Gxe9aEEB5Q618xvxSSRlf_R3V_waL8N.OFnSNG.PC8 gLSp4gF7eJwGzlzNdaeb4QR5AqKLWK2OEkqaXZu29OzgaDCP8o0USCGpLIA3 72VuZ.1kE9VDMExvHNSKpY61wsvex7KC1PjWcAqIDUwEiSNTk2.FhyJqZVtZ GF6ZqXnHDMPg2yyRD4qIQsSvFUXCgveNQYQwqiVWXIlkpYuBPBzLbR6UoBoE a2rBtqD7LJuEqn8ac1lpzTboCH56Gc6Ho8tPpzxKc2apl4wNXSu.65Jt3uvd _qYAOz_wwVQ48Ly6B_zWUdQMbFv73x1N5PXJA7AqkYEOgz88Rii_1SVVLpIM 9Yd51FFtcoSIe_JoN Received: from [184.21.37.243] by web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:33:48 PST SSBkb24ndCBoYXZlIHBpY3R1cmVzIG9mIG9yaWdpbmFsaXR5LsKgIEkgaGF2ZSBhIE1rIDHCoCBjYXIgScKgIGtlZXDCoCBvcmlnaW5hbC4gSSBoYXZlwqAgaG9pc3QgYW5kIGNhbWVyYS7CoMKgIEdhcnkgQjk0NzIyODPCoCB0YWMgMzExwqAgDQoNCi0tLSBPbiBUaHUsIDExLzI5LzEyLCBNYXJrIEogQnJhZGFraXMgPG1hcmtAYnJhZGFraXMuY29tPiB3cm90ZToNCg0KRnJvbTogTWFyayBKIEJyYWRha2lzIDxtYXJrQGJyYWRha2lzLmNvbT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBbVGlnZXJzXSBQaG90byByZWNvcmQNClQBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: arado7@sbcglobal.net To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo record Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I don't have pictures of originality. I have a Mk 1 car I keep original. I have hoist and camera. Gary B9472283 tac 311 --- On Thu, 11/29/12, Mark J Bradakis wrote: From: Mark J Bradakis Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo record To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 9:31 PM I really should get the Team.Net forums up and running again. Unlike these old school mailing lists the forums allow pictures, a good place to share with others. RealSoonNow. mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 29 17:26:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA3C43926 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:26:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA24B437ED for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:26:09 -0700 (MST) a=vCd/SAGTAJRkGLtt+GFr8A==:17 a=oqlS1M2QKCQA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=bIfiRswjk_sA:10 a=94GkEASOwG0s-AcuL9IA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=siVQnfSg027p3zIwSL0A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=4_JgvyNwgpy8T5oy:21 a=vCd/SAGTAJRkGLtt+GFr8A==:117 Received: from [76.166.191.244] ([76.166.191.244:55769] helo=BillPC) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3C/FB-00785-B2DF7B05; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:26:20 +0000 From: "Bill Rogers" To: "Tigers" Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:26:03 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I think the images Buck is talking about are the ones I took for the TU project. It is fairly well recognized that Dales Restorations does a pretty authentic restoration job, so we went down there a couple of times to photographically document an almost complete, newly restored, Mk I and a similar Mk II in detail. Both shoots included some of the undercarriage with the car on a lift. We took pix of everything that was visible but undoubtably we would have missed the one vital detail that any one individual needed! It should be understood, as Buck points out, that Tigers were constantly changing as production progressed, so that one "correct" car can differ from another and still be "correct" That applies to Austin-Healeys too and most people in the classic car community, without manufacturing engineering experience, find that hard to grasp. One only has to look at Amendment 16 to the Tiger Parts List to see the extent of changes over time - and that is just for parts supplied as spares. Joel / James contact me off line about a CD Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 29 17:31:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F04A439CE for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:31:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ea0-f169.google.com (mail-ea0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F603437ED for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:31:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ea0-f169.google.com with SMTP id a12so6372250eaa.14 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:31:33 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=yLWab7wWRCPh02J0CbbAJKc6Ryu6d74wU7Tfh98p8Qs=; b=Xv6pLKBVAzr3E6o6R9tMlMB3sKdD7BDC26ilAbSXt3VrJNX6UpBXBWWxjHV/8JsUF6 /wg/wdAVSUKBdFKo5ipmPiv/aLzfIuH4yRvOxSogwmna4tId7c4/Rt8Dn9fzA6e1PK// nQxpsvlZN7y7GZhzezRpIt6U8AQTgo9vxAHgtnS9C1rZ8KjnGke3G5MV2VzELDXDPj+Y x7TBYMrlqa90zgoFF/niY+KpCuakYZAGg90m23BicFfTC6kgECFpJjzz+fRl2VU+Pv3W 9chumkoch8g32rQGMqhHalWCavj8+yL5KqU7Hq/786jEomS8i7cvrXiUimv9TfirjoHF fzOQ== Received: by 10.14.215.194 with SMTP id e42mr55338141eep.32.1354235493586; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:31:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.4.203 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:31:33 -0800 (PST) References: <1B9B502DC9D24D7C901272848C108334@BillPC> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:31:33 +1100 From: michael king To: Bill Rogers Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dales restorations are very nice, and i am very impressed by what I have seen. that said the red tiger he did that was featured recently in the write-up had many small details that were not factory, plating of things that were not from factory, more things that had been up-finshed over factory. For reference the best thing we can do is find original un restored cars and document them while they still exist. I have been fortunate enough to be helping with such a car recently and there are so many detail things you find that you dont know about and that the repro parts don't get right or exclude.. it's really an eye opener! I am taking pictures and hope to do them as a web album i the future. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 29 20:46:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5968438AF for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:46:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from wh-qmail02b.webhero.com (wh-qmailb02.webhero.com [209.217.42.22]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576D6437E7 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:40:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 3363 invoked by uid 10000); 30 Nov 2012 03:41:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO HPLaptop) (70.174.45.144) by wh-qmail02b.webhero.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2012 03:41:08 -0000 From: To: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:40:57 -0500 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac3OrIGgLlVHvgLISyuKLvqFzUB3Xg== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have a white Tiger bought brand new that was almost original before major disassembly for restoration. The car has been painted and is being reassembled so I can get some pretty good pictures of original sheet metal very easily. There is no interior, engine, gas tanks, windshield frame, dash and minimal wiring installed right now. I've got a pretty good collection of digital cameras and lights here so I can take some pretty good pictures if someone can guide me with a list of shots they feel would be of benefit. My only limitation is that my garage is crammed so the ability to take long shots would be limited. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 30 02:57:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43AC54380B for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 02:57:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0F443564 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 02:54:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Vluj1k0010FhH24AAlujuh; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:54:43 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Vlui1k0092xZMJ48Ului7w; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:54:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:54:42 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Joel Martin s=q20121106; t=1354269283; bh=ZE6Ul42Jk6sCWz/0PU9/gaaFm7JQ5BwHC8+n8M/n34A=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=pnyQfz4doT1qqa+j4TS3DfwHVy+Ob7kgjRlGtjikdXYfgxHPFucijHInwuQgEcjTx +MUQCGPm6ZNSvILDFwjd1j4WFw10QNtPsLpPQouOeJn4jkM1TOFKSVR5qvCys5kO3t c6c+hSlNDnUctvizPVJAvBecppiEa0UAFg+chXghbtsoKc8+OjxQ30y/BANZJUR4is Nz4zolO8hDb8vTFcAYbWeP5nqdcdRhx7bOpRP3rInfB0xTBZ+WGhqq3PKBe/cbul6g X706skl4pXt77iG/BvEryefHLfJtMSfVI++OqwhZlK7fT89RALu7PWRFFz75O+QxSK pFXJaOdLLWoSQ== Cc: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3/8 fuel line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Original Message ----- Joel, I am also in the process of running 3/8 inch fuel line. There is some great info provided by Owain Lloyd back on July 4, 2011 about connecting up 3/8 inch lines. The nipple on the crossover tube between the tanks is a british standard pipe thread. Your regular compression nut made over here will not connect properly. ( BTW same stuff applies for the SU fuel pump connections, not that it is relevant to your project.) Owain identifies an adapter and source that will connect a 3/8 inch line to the cross over pipe nipple. They can be purchased from a plumbing supply house in the UK, via the internet. Check out http://www.bes.co.uk/products/145a.asp and scroll down to Compression X BSP Parallel Female. Owain said the part number was either 7477 or 7476. I ordered both of them. The smaller female side one is the correct one. What is particularly nice about this adapter is that it does not restrict fuel flow as it comes out of the nipple. The nipple is designed to have a 5/16 line inserted into it. The adapter screws onto the OUTSIDE of the nipple where the compression nut originally went. It then has a stop in the middle for a 3/8 inch line coming from the other end. Then there is a compression nut and olive for a 3/8 line. If you insert a 3/8 inch line in the output side of the adapter and look through from the nipple side, you see no restriction. The smallest part of the passage is the ID of the 3/8 (OD) line. Nice. To install the adapter, you will need to cut off a small piece of the protective flange underneath the trunk floor to be able to get a wrench on the adapter. No big deal in my book. I am running aluminum fuel line since I really do not have the equipment to bend up and flare stainless. I also have put the pump in the trunk in the Alpine spare wheel well cavity. I am going to be using a Holley 125 to feed the 347 motor which is not in the car yet. If you are going to be putting a vertically mounted pump in the stock location over the muffler, I presume you are also aware of all the issues of related heat soak failures that can and usually do occur and how to deal with that potentiality. Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 30 06:42:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3F243803 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:42:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED80437EF for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:42:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.190] by nm29.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2012 13:42:23 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.83] by tm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2012 13:42:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2012 13:42:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 55133 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2012 13:42:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1354282943; bh=ZjSDb6/fJXjPbt/jvhXyPysSTdFcB+jaD7p3W+jvvaQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UWh/49EyMInbHhqvl0I1qMe3tLSxh0c/zY1pG/J2LcHIg7USuuniDo/S4kD+0wraV2i/8lV90kHNjK+nQ1UGNIH5qHXnE1KK9OdR0JnHAVU+tyLLTOuuDRFdXJ6QuVrNvmvEnDhQHCWRvHiDxi1NjQylmUJfR8XmPX8yxaWKRPI= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rWx+QU4NuFVQsLOp2loHrzo0o8vaRdzsMjwGkuhbNiDJzrfc3z7H/sBbprmqz+XXhFAEUAUvlublM4iUHKeQ2dwLVKdonMVq/KlgNF62Jd8by7pfKuWPqryfN11u47PCwDoR03ajpzEY3H5ZH73eBODrvhx4qHs8woJYZVWG3y8=; FjbPQe8hfHBwv_miChLvYNg9Za5yhnX2mKL.DaFYvM2C9O9w1MrJ.BYRVYqE cqp93B2mYCYCT0e9FtxVmQsaemGf1lrQzu4U3RPyS8ZEmus9XXe.4sS3x7jr pdBw9jZEwvzhcsvEJimASLExspUFz_s2mIvSFnnzj4Krn62dVAb6bp0xtXiQ WApJKvhsE2rgGIhmfN6EJUFGRZmaed0VPCrivb18W4U72GihDc61ZVNugDQK eg72kTt8W65sUOPaZFzAWdTXnuJ7W1Y8Ti9gOIQrSaWAkWnrys7QacpF6NOU SS3KDb.tipfiBU2wtvBXQzI6SB3.A_TidRTzgwKS1gk0wH15nYAXNPbK21Uz hrvt9aOZ9RiNayLCHOH4ZMyuLh.2Iuhb8GvQUfKQZl_L2ydMMsstpS9yf6n4 DC0DSIsnDwWIBGv0Qj6H3rRkVrjAHU4Psb0zsXbiUkqbF3UIBDDHvTBzEfnI ruBUlRBG.eq.L8BLsF0Fx.5CPvZJk Received: from [71.200.239.174] by web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 05:42:23 PST RG9lcyBhbnlvbmUgaGF2ZSBNYXJ0aGEgV2hlYXQncyBjdXJyZW50IHBob25lIG51bWJlcj8NClRoYW5rcywNCg0KUGF1bA0KUGF1bCBSIFNoZWFoYW4BMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 05:42:23 -0800 (PST) From: Paul R Sheahan To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Martha Wheat Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have Martha Wheat's current phone number? Thanks, Paul Paul R Sheahan _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 30 07:55:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D525243809 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 07:55:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ivic0.sogetel.net (pop3.ivic.qc.ca [66.187.114.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3467243564 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 07:55:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from ip167.125-126-74.sogetel.net ([74.126.125.167] helo=D7F0WHF1) by ivic0.sogetel.net with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TeRzr-0006tw-IQ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:55:19 -0500 From: "denis mercier" To: "Paul R Sheahan" , References: <1354282943.32608.YahooMailClassic@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:55:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Martha Wheat Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Paul. The last time i talked to her it was at 775-833-2424 or proprep3716@sbcglobal.net Denis Mercier B382000926LRXFE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R Sheahan" To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:42 AM Subject: [Tigers] Martha Wheat > Does anyone have Martha Wheat's current phone number? > Thanks, > > Paul > Paul R Sheahan > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/denismercier@telvic.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 30 08:23:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757B943828 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:23:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe003.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.183]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFB843564 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:18:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail34-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.241) by CH1EHSOBE011.bigfish.com (10.43.70.61) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:18:56 +0000 Received: from mail34-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail34-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E46B440370; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:18:56 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail34-ch1: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail34-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail34-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1354288734197761_9381; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS032.bigfish.com (snatpool1.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.246]) by mail34-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CFD3A0232; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CH1EHSMHS032.bigfish.com (10.43.70.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:18:53 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.179) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:19:22 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.3.116]) by OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.179]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:18:41 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "genepadgett@comcast.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] 3/8 fuel line Thread-Index: AQHNzuEjUJmWnaa+5U23JeblKDKhqJgCfPeA Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:18:40 +0000 References: <1309069404.707838.1354235995829.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <768981628.720103.1354269282819.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.4.6] Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3/8 fuel line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That's a good idea. I cut my 5/16" line to about 3 inches long where it came off the compression nipple, and then soldered that into a 3/8" line and ran it the rest of the way. I eventually found a good tubing bender that would do 3/8" line reliably... most of the tools out there won't properly do anything near a 90 degree bend without kinking. If you're using aluminum line then be really sure that it's supported everywhere, because any line vibration will cause it to work harden and crack; and make sure that the supports, if they're steel, are sleeved in rubber so you don't get electrolytic corrosion of the aluminum against the steel. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net > Sent: November 30, 2012 2:55 AM > To: Joel Martin > Cc: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3/8 fuel line > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Joel, > > I am also in the process of running 3/8 inch fuel line. > > There is some great info provided by Owain Lloyd back on July 4, 2011 > about connecting up 3/8 inch lines. The nipple on the crossover tube > between the tanks is a british standard pipe thread. Your regular > compression nut made over here will not connect properly. ( BTW same > stuff applies for the SU fuel pump connections, not that it is relevant > to your project.) > > I am running aluminum fuel line since I really do not have the > equipment to bend up and flare stainless. I also have put the pump in > the trunk in the Alpine spare wheel well cavity. I am going to be using > a Holley 125 to feed the 347 motor which is not in the car yet. ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 30 10:46:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC14438B8 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:46:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.189]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463FB43805 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:45:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2012 17:45:49 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.239] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2012 17:45:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2012 17:45:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 96332 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2012 17:45:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1354297549; bh=QFGUQBufycUvvE5JEkVvCo8QrYozo9Op49yicJ39UTk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2Yx8B+soQTpEa9jFXYju8vmm6oH2zN/XwyvGK6W/nfKoQ9pkpXHe9/BhW7hJM3BMF2lCOGOZov4gA3MwO/cdHStVbrZ1ENAFdbH/HuAHo8srZ6Eq+KqATkPCCC7w1BvlqHabwN0TNmFEMxd5wumlXra3hIqXf8ruGOUsyesJGTs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GCouQEsMxa39tNUKSxy3Nyuqzc0u6Mkr2ogvSJEidOUurdNPsFsvzi3u8hFdWhh+tlWnynaYmvK+APZE4X+kw5tj+EGNrSsK1u4IdqqIdgSPkW+Y3GXoOGwedqOLHEP3LSKKo6ULSpiecb9BnQ5JlJ+blWW0x+dtS4iOy00sZWY=; yBTgnVkiYW6gUMgHSCwgMvFzF1K8eSWE9vV3oNW6y0zvNfnhVlX.tuZ3VThj 6irwzYcgaYDLzMO9jaRxDIhC87bGRFSr4VJF6dd65VPn4ODWdPUiY516YRKB K_dFXje6Eo9NplthNWc4VSzy8FN257HDAnFRcq_Pf2sKWnXJPD9oHUv2Babk 6hrK26hvl8woEhxNHjrmuTK_3HHFIGlmkYLpGvqNsp0sG3abwqp418v.x6zp iRJzZJu4oV9uOyEK5gMxgKF8pESQ_lFuuiIR9ulQveMakbsrti1wlTqT0DC1 6IbWYH1fJREhu1e7_iaieq23KUh7W6mM1ox1f2Ue4MQZRtyWCsm55LGnM8D2 MynYKyrP9cwp4C9HuHGkfr0n22Y.FhsG2h.TcCOrQPC3hhfp3Cw8LjwgkhEx bLOArkey8Z0kUeiLtDDgSQECNDOFXoGfiAJHJgV.Qd5CqcHCObOF3yVpP.Hr c_O4- Received: from [192.251.175.175] by web124706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:45:49 PST VGhlIHJlc3BvbnNlIHRvIHRoaXMgdGhyZWFkIGhhcyBiZWVuIGdyZWF0LsKgIFRoYW5rcyB0byBldmVyeW9uZSB3aG8gcmVzcG9uZGVkIGJvdGggcHJpdmF0ZWx5IGFuZCBvbiB0aGUgbGlzdCBzZXJ2ZS7CoCBJdCBhcHBlYXJzIHRoaXMgaGFzIGJlZW4gb24gbWFueSBmb2xrcyByYWRhciBvZiB0aGluZ3MgdG8gZG8gb3Igd291bGQgbGlrZSB0byBoYXZlIGRvbmUgYW5kIHdvdWxkIGJlIHZlcnkgYmVuZWZpY2lhbC7CoCBUaW1lLCBlbmVyZ3ksIHdvcmsgb3IgcmV0aXJlbWVudCBjYW4gc2xvdyB0aGUg4oCYbmkBMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:45:49 -0800 (PST) From: Joel Martin To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The response to this thread has been great.B Thanks to everyone who responded both privately and on the list serve.B It appears this has been on many folks radar of things to do or would like to have done and would be very beneficial.B Time, energy, work or retirement can slow the bnice to havesb down a bit.B B Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 30 11:03:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62DA4383E for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:03:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263A740ECD for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:03:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:03:38 -0500 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:03:38 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Photos of Tiger chassis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, A couple of points, and I hope not to ruffle any feathers. A couple of posters implied that while Joel needed dependable pictures of how things like brake line and fuel line were routed, to be period correct, Rootes/Jensen would ocassionally deviate from the usual setup, so even original factory photos-if they ever existed- wouldn't solve his dilemma(sp). Realizing that Tigers were built on an assembly line, albeit a slow one, would anyone, other than a Tiger-specific restorer (Bill Martin, Norm, Dale, Paul R., Mr, Hall) ever come across this? I, for one, doubt that there was any significant change, at least with the Tiger 1 and 1A, other than the booster mounting, starting around #1233 on the 1A. Another issue is the job of photographing our cars. The car has been out at least 45 years. At this point, and probably before, it should have been the job of individual owners to take advantage of the photos of cars for sale with detailed images of suspension and chassis, and create their own library, together with the photos taken pre-restoration of their own car. If there is any question about 'borrowing' photos from a commercial website, you could always ask for permission and tell the site why you would like the photos. Remember the red Mark II from Fantasy Junction for sale recently. Did anyone save those photos? Another issue relates to keeping your old parts. One of the first tech tips in the C.A.T. Shop Notes book reads something like, "don't throw anything out. Save it, even if it's broken. It can always serve as a template." Look, a lot of you are friends I've made at various Tiger meets, and I know this may read as a rant, but documenting our cars, in the end, needs to be an individual effort, we can't leave it to organized groups who intend to do it for us, but can't. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 30 13:02:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF5D43806 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:02:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D5F40EBB for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:58:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Vq6E1k0040EPchoA3vyCv2; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:58:12 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VvyB1k00b2yr1eL8MvyBvR; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:58:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:58:11 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Theo Smit s=q20121106; t=1354305492; bh=mp9D/GlaPr2v2IExOB+KfbkAC8pSujjZ8poYJ9eW938=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=oGf68Jsdstnd3d2et3pfXZAthec39IwQ/+vMpHPuHAsMAch06XvZ8YRxWaXqQ+4vF Ay7JmXB/a1adyJGQZiLcxc5E9xG11D/dg6JoPA5jih0WUUxY+z8iDJpiD7KnlfqpSk pT7pnC7ogoGOdkzgQHB/egLZBM6XPcqN/VPy+Bh6sphkWL5H5YYb61ba4iWKMfV6TX X/vGiRFUMgNCk+zva2qpjbik06ue06ZQuhZXiZS58XTHwA2GhYLFofSXropJ7bLLCi kPK9z6B7dsTlIWBanFODIDfSA5rIcxAQEclhV9V3lUh/ST+irnAmha8syYlbBxPSqw +o9QBfVirzDAA== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3/8 fuel line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Theo, Thanks for the advice. I decided to go with bulkhead fittings into and out of the trunk area for the pump mounting rather than lines through grommets because of vibration concerns. I have a short length of curved rubber hose on one side of the pump and a vertical stainless steel braided hose on the other side to deal with any pump induced vibrations. The pump is mounted to the back wall of the cavity with ignition box isolation bobbins. The vertical routing tucks in nicely to the curvature in the back wall. The battery cannot get to it even it it slid all the way forward. I may still cover that vertical braided hose section in metal shield (like under the trunk) just for added protection. I ended up running the output side up just inside high part of the trunk battery cover floor to a formed 90 degree formed curve "no loss" Russell fitting connected to a straight through bulkhead fitting. A little different from what I have seen others do. But this gets me to near where the original line cuts over above the panhard rod. From there I can pretty much follow the original line routing horizontally over to where the brake and fuel line go through a clamp, past where the SU pump was connected and forward through the tunnel. I will make sure all the hold down points have a rubber wrapping. I also am wrapping the line that is under the car and through the tunnel with Cool-It insulation tape. My plan is to run the line to the carb up the back side of the engine bay along the firewall. I have not yet decided on the specifics. I certainly do not want a solid connection of aluminum tubing to a carb on a rocking motor. My current thinking is at some point go from the aluminum line to a length of insulated flexible fuel line like the nitrous crowd use in their setups. Any ideas from you or anyone else on how to do that engine bay routing would be appreciated! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theo Smit" To: genepadgett@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:18:40 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] 3/8 fuel line That's a good idea. I cut my 5/16" line to about 3 inches long where it came off the compression nipple, and then soldered that into a 3/8" line and ran it the rest of the way. I eventually found a good tubing bender that would do 3/8" line reliably... most of the tools out there won't properly do anything near a 90 degree bend without kinking. If you're using aluminum line then be really sure that it's supported everywhere, because any line vibration will cause it to work harden and crack; and make sure that the supports, if they're steel, are sleeved in rubber so you don't get electrolytic corrosion of the aluminum against the steel. Cheers, Theo _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 30 13:55:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F6843823 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:55:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E916040ED6 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:39:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id qAUKWsdK005564 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:39:40 -0800 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018956f) id dm0213.50b83e06.17b58; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:38:17 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:38:15 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac3PJRgtCtZA+VBGRb2FW+YMidtF4AAC2eQg engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8185,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-11-30_15:2012-11-30,2012-11-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1211300199 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photos of Tiger chassis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Rande All good points. We do have to remember that every Tiger is a different case. Some could be a basket case with little reference material to well kept needing just some TLC. We all need to be doing a better job of documenting everything about our cars. The problem can be what details need documentation. I sure don't know them all but I get a better idea every day I think about it. I restored my Tiger 35 some years ago. I had a 35mm camera, I did take some picture but I had little concern about details. I owned a Tiger and I wanted it back on the road, now, was my attitude. I also had an excellent memory than to assembly my Tiger where as now I have to remember where I left my glasses. I'm betting many of us are in the same boat. Today we have digital cameras, computers and the internet to assist us. These all make it easier to document our cars and produce better Tech Tips. Today many of us are paying more attention to the little details and trying to rediscover the history of these cars. If each of us does a little here and there, we help everyone in the long run. Someday we may get this all organized in one location. Some of that organization is still developing. We can do better and we will; it just takes time and effort. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rande Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:04 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Photos of Tiger chassis Hi, A couple of points, and I hope not to ruffle any feathers. A couple of posters implied that while Joel needed dependable pictures of how things like brake line and fuel line were routed, to be period correct, Rootes/Jensen would ocassionally deviate from the usual setup, so even original factory photos-if they ever existed- wouldn't solve his dilemma(sp). Realizing that Tigers were built on an assembly line, albeit a slow one, would anyone, other than a Tiger-specific restorer (Bill Martin, Norm, Dale, Paul R., Mr, Hall) ever come across this? I, for one, doubt that there was any significant change, at least with the Tiger 1 and 1A, other than the booster mounting, starting around #1233 on the 1A. Another issue is the job of photographing our cars. The car has been out at least 45 years. At this point, and probably before, it should have been the job of individual owners to take advantage of the photos of cars for sale with detailed images of suspension and chassis, and create their own library, together with the photos taken pre-restoration of their own car. If there is any question about 'borrowing' photos from a commercial website, you could always ask for permission and tell the site why you would like the photos. Remember the red Mark II from Fantasy Junction for sale recently. Did anyone save those photos? Another issue relates to keeping your old parts. One of the first tech tips in the C.A.T. Shop Notes book reads something like, "don't throw anything out. Save it, even if it's broken. It can always serve as a template." Look, a lot of you are friends I've made at various Tiger meets, and I know this may read as a rant, but documenting our cars, in the end, needs to be an individual effort, we can't leave it to organized groups who intend to do it for us, but can't. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2634/5928 - Release Date: 11/30/12 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 30 16:48:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A70D4387A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:48:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net (txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3032437F9 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:34:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from Roscrea ([74.196.108.150]) by txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.00.00 201-2329-20120127) with ESMTP id <20121130233343.GUVE17735.txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net@Roscrea>; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:33:43 -0600 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: , "'Joel Martin'" References: <1354220906.75986.YahooMailClassic@web124704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:34:23 -0600 Thread-Index: AQFvj9Z2KmjyLqGP2qjCf3RG98IJJJi/gglQ Content-Language: en-us cv=D9jE5ezKG73aFzaBMZ1rXSpn6lf6Sis74Msgu1JFbl4= c=1 sm=0 a=xzW3HwPJiLYA:10 a=VPHkNMUpP2kA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=8LaAqv5HAAAA:8 a=QuXxHP1RzinaVQBb_RQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=gPGHqaX6uacA:10 a=wzYnP5ujhWxZB9Ir:21 a=zoA_2XRSUdPxnZI_:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Cc: 'Tiger List Serve' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A filter that I use (with 3/8 tubing) is Fram #3727, when you see it you'll see why, very large inlet and outlets. The problem is the type of fitting that you have to use on both ends. It's not a simple pipe thread or normal flared fitting. I have no idea what car the filter is designed for, but I took it down to the local hydraulic supply house and was able to get an adapter for each end that allowed me to end up with an AN fitting on both ends that I was able to connect my tubing to. Perhaps someone on the list knows just what type of fitting it's designed for. They are sold at Wal-Mart. I've had it on the car for more than ten years. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:55 PM To: 'Joel Martin' Cc: 'Tiger List Serve' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Joel Sometimes the picture gallery of Tigers for sale show undercarriage; you might want to look for any Tiger listed online. The original fuel filter for both Mk I and II is C2RZ-9155-A with clinch type hose clamps. Today's equivalent is Fram G2 for 5/16" fuel line. You would need a different filter for the 3/8" line. I believe I have a picture of the stock location of the fuel filter for a MK I. I will do a search and send separately. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:28 PM To: Buck Trippel Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Buck Thanks for the update - any pictures at all regarding brake and fuel line routing. That is next on my list to install while I have access to a lift and before I have to move car from paint\body shop. I bought the brake line kit from SS and plan to up the fuel line size from 5/16" to 3/8" due to 65 HiPo motor and thinking about a Holly Red electric fuel pump 12-801-1 with a fuel filter before inlet and one at the 'front right side of of engine' but not sure where that is and which filters would be period correct. Any ideas or pictures to get me over the hump. Again, thanks for the reply. Joel _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 30 18:41:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16ACA439A5 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:41:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDE240EBB for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:20:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2012 01:20:10 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.125] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2012 01:20:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2012 01:20:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 90650 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2012 01:20:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1354324809; bh=xASV9Y5xahuNW9sgml7ikvEEjcjs1saLOzxdYxPxaJc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DIkzamxgor6RDzCfsh3OXBGWgJZdM1UKlihwTZ1ZJyuoW04GzbSjABBVHwM3DDG16z9AsHxUrqENsowGeljzb+1N9dBKx3kzVzwjfSBj9/2uLL4kOg68pD4rwor4AmQJta/8MAlDNf72zurcvd1sGujdk0y89LYN8NzOJDjiYFE= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CuhZ5NPAnhwEJSMkHPmkkZlhXoTD8B0GSC7GpBWYFIc6vDEwmBHVvDmJjQi77dVbEFt0C1zv7dWYbzV54dVsTNu5n4bm33diQmp5NUDFi6sSWF4rvOgDgflvd3VVuKD6cnxwpatlBGi0EoZzFsE4mtgnFIBd4uwzcEsFN6FNpjc=; qvx42j0NVQeLbtbtjVTrn_Qt5skzgCim4YMEW0iGpKnQtBMPJv7HqyftfiHk zOqA7jfYxeLiCqTr8fTKVIt1mdqwhgAe7bdfYeYTC.WsnD9QmBA9v2gaAqom olOzW5Y3YTsA9QRhTPGuGwVhmp53Dknp4h4RtitnQMlaVq1KFt1a1jQ79rOZ lHwiUP9bgRLqm6QghumWcE8_dIkhIJYly8p0n5Z.zhQM2kUOxfXsaVQKR1uZ a73mCMqeQsf3ssNUQQlG1Q9BfL.hJdF3qTEVyC0dGDsymIow0CTpwb39uzmG D0JylQCONgY.a5jMccFsEWEB8Y4ojszIl64ofeAOnL79Q9bi0.HZOzzjrc0y AgExgG4vijhkpqRo9ajiXmjKrJTxlrONtBMwV8MWfQ6NreElZqSzock.qsyc paEUmhnsMSvx3JN4_jipEX.CqtVUOohyeodAS10.SUP95rkfZLjy3tMfoP4Q 1qES4phjGqrKiDrU1ktPlTN51paZCTmYannBZExZb2cH88ATc_39p_KRDFw7 MJY3cw3WHVCBU Received: from [71.80.161.49] by web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:20:08 PST VGhlIEZyYW0gLSAzNzI3IGxvb2tzIHRvIGJlIGEgcmVhbGx5IGNvbW1vbiBHTSBmaWx0ZXIgZnJvbSB0aGUgODAncyBhbmQgOTAncyAKY2FycyBhbmQgdHJ1Y2ssIGxpa2VseSBmb3IgRUZJIHB1bXAgaW4gdGhlIHRhbmsgY2Fycy4gVGhlIGZpdHRpbmcgbWlnaHQgYmUgCnJldmVyc2UgZmxhcmUgbGlrZSBvbiBicmFrZSBsaW5lcywgYnV0IG5vdCAxMDAlLsKgQ2hlY2sgc3VtbWl0IHJhY2luZyBmb3IgbmljZSAKZmlsdGVycyBpbiB0aGUgJDI1IHByaWNlIHJhbmdlLCB0aGV5IGhhdmUgc29tZSBkZWNlbnQgc3UBMAEBAQE- References: <1354220906.75986.YahooMailClassic@web124704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000001cdcf53$3adadeb0$b0909c10$@suddenlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:20:08 -0800 (PST) From: Sandy Ganz To: Jerry Mo Christopherson , rfraser@bluefrog.com, Joel Martin Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The Fram - 3727 looks to be a really common GM filter from the 80's and 90's cars and truck, likely for EFI pump in the tank cars. The fitting might be reverse flare like on brake lines, but not 100%. Check summit racing for nice filters in the $25 price range, they have some decent summit brand onces as well as other larger inline filters that look pretty good. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Jerry Mo Christopherson To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; Joel Martin Cc: Tiger List Serve Sent: Fri, November 30, 2012 3:49:11 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery A filter that I use (with 3/8 tubing) is Fram #3727, when you see it you'll see why, very large inlet and outlets. The problem is the type of fitting that you have to use on both ends. It's not a simple pipe thread or normal flared fitting. I have no idea what car the filter is designed for, but I took it down to the local hydraulic supply house and was able to get an adapter for each end that allowed me to end up with an AN fitting on both ends that I was able to connect my tubing to. Perhaps someone on the list knows just what type of fitting it's designed for. They are sold at Wal-Mart. I've had it on the car for more than ten years. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:55 PM To: 'Joel Martin' Cc: 'Tiger List Serve' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Joel Sometimes the picture gallery of Tigers for sale show undercarriage; you might want to look for any Tiger listed online. The original fuel filter for both Mk I and II is C2RZ-9155-A with clinch type hose clamps. Today's equivalent is Fram G2 for 5/16" fuel line. You would need a different filter for the 3/8" line. I believe I have a picture of the stock location of the fuel filter for a MK I. I will do a search and send separately. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:28 PM To: Buck Trippel Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Photo Gallery Buck Thanks for the update - any pictures at all regarding brake and fuel line routing. That is next on my list to install while I have access to a lift and before I have to move car from paint\body shop. I bought the brake line kit from SS and plan to up the fuel line size from 5/16" to 3/8" due to 65 HiPo motor and thinking about a Holly Red electric fuel pump 12-801-1 with a fuel filter before inlet and one at the 'front right side of of engine' but not sure where that is and which filters would be period correct. Any ideas or pictures to get me over the hump. Again, thanks for the reply. Joel _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net