From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 1 19:44:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F45E4040E for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 19:44:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 371DF438CA for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:48:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 31905 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2012 03:49:57 -0000 Received: from airnode431.air-internet.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (12.110.38.178) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2012 03:49:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:49:44 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Bonneville Ford 260 for 2013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I sent this when Mark was playing with the server. Those mentioned in the email received their email directly but alas, the Tiger list did not. So, just in case you wanted to know... mayf *********************************************************************** Just to keep everyone up to date on the SBF build of the Sunbeam's next motor.... Most of you have contributed in one way or another to the design and construction of this motor by providing parts and guidance. Let me reiterate the particulars as they stand now: 1) Block(s) from Rich fox and Jack Costella 2) Crank from Mr. Bill (Mitchel) 3) Rods, roller lifters, roller rockers and cam from Sandy Ganz, the Professor 4) Owain, AFR heads I had the first block machined in Las Vegas and they killed it trying to remove the oil passage plug in the rear of the block. Fortunately, there was a spare. Even though I had also specified that the shop grind the crank in a specific way, they did it their way and ruined it, then wanted to swap the rods for some other rods to make it work. I said no, get me another crank and they kicked me out of their shop..but with a new crank and machined block. I had the crankshaft redone at Marine Crankshaft in LA and neutral balanced. Do this only if you have the winnings of the national lottery in hand, lol. I ordered pistons from Wossner and after more than two months they had made no progress on pistons. I wanted a 14:1 CR. I finally told them to suck eggs and went to Probe. They said sure, we can do that..only they couldn't. They sent the order to Ross who made pistons but only in 11.4 CR. So power will be down. Note that the rods that Sandy provided are from a 347 stroker kit which means that the rod angles will be less with less sidewall scuffing on the power stroke or so my theory goes. Rings are gap less total seal rings and low tension. I purchased a Comp Cams timing chain set with Torrington bearing as thrust control and it is nice as well. When I chatted with AFR regards the capability of the AFR 165 heads, they ind9ocated that the valve springs would not handle lift and rpm I wanted to use, so I obtained a set of their much stronger springs with smaller coil wire diameter to permit the lift. The crank operation took nearly 6 weeks to complete. The pistons took longer so the plan to run this year went up in flames. while waiting for parts I decided to build a run stand for the engine to sort out the electronics I would need to take it to a dyno somewhere in Las Vegas. I had to fabricate, twice I might add, an adapter plate to mate the block to AOD transmission I use. My drill press was not up to the accuracy needed. I purchased all the parts needed to complete the run stand. It is all together now and day before yesterday, I finally gathered up the balls to start the sucker. Always a factor when considering EFI and my wiring skills. It ran but only with some serious fiddling. Turns out that for some odd reason, that I used one set of timing marks on the damper to fab a pointer and set it at TDC, then used another set of marks top install the dizzy. Needless to say it was way off. But we did get it to run and reasonably well. Yesterday I put the motor back to TDC using the correct marks and redid the dizzy. We then started the motor (we, being my wife and I) and after a bit of fiddling, got the static timing to 10 degrees. Then gave control of the spark back to the computer and refired it. Idles pretty well now, however, I had to open the throttle blade a couple of turns on the adjusting screw. I need to investigate that some. Probably needs a new gasket or two . I reused the intake manifold and injectors I had with the turbo motor. I need to rescale the injector low slope for the rpm and engine size now though. And I will rescale the load v spark table as well. Fuel is probably all right. But, the bottom line is...IT runs and seems to run well. I chatted with Rick Gold and got his gasoline recommendation and will be ordering a drum of that for dyno testing. I want to eventually add a dyno brake to my run stand so I can wear out the motor before I run on the salt, lol. Elon and I have been chatting with concepts to do this for some time now. He has some good ideas. I have made a couple of videos of the two runs so far. But they are large. The first one was HD 1080P and took 460 MB for 7 minutes of run time. Next I rescaled the video to use 320 P or some such and that came out at only 53 MB. I recoded both to something way less, lol, but still too big to email. I will need to cut them down some. If I can figure out how to edit the video. As soon as I can get them to a manageable size then I will either post them to the autox forum or my own webs site for download. Just so that all of you who had a hand in this can see the fruits of you inputs and provisioning. Oh, and I want a dyno brake, beg, borrow or steal, to handle about 800 hp at more than 8000 rpm. I want to put it on my run stand. Many thanks to all of you for helping me make it happen! I will keep everyone informed as the next year approaches.... mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 1 21:43:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2F840531 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 21:43:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184E2403F3 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 20:24:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from student2 ([unknown] [96.249.192.65]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MED00DSYW4OILH2@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 21:24:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <50AAFDD8.80206@mayfco.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 19:24:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Bonneville Ford 260 for 2013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mayf, You can upload the videos to You Tube (for free). Then all you need to do is post the link and everyone can see them (no multiple downloads). If you want/need to edit the videos PC's come with "Windows Movie Maker" and Mac's have "I-Movie." Video editing is timeline based and is much like editing a text file. You simply define and exclude what you don't want. Sad that you can't get the machine work done properly or the right parts sent. You do have the worlds fastest Sunbeam..., I'm sure you will prevail. Tom Witt Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:49 PM Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Bonneville Ford 260 for 2013 >I sent this when Mark was playing with the server. Those mentioned in the >email received their email directly but alas, the Tiger list did not. So, >just in case you wanted to know... > > mayf > *********************************************************************** > > Just to keep everyone up to date on the SBF build of the Sunbeam's next > motor.... > > Most of you have contributed in one way or another to the design and > construction of this motor by providing parts and guidance. Let me > reiterate the particulars as they stand now: > 1) Block(s) from Rich fox and Jack Costella > 2) Crank from Mr. Bill (Mitchel) > 3) Rods, roller lifters, roller rockers and cam from Sandy Ganz, the > Professor > 4) Owain, AFR heads > > I had the first block machined in Las Vegas and they killed it trying to > remove the oil passage plug in the rear of the block. Fortunately, there > was a spare. Even though I had also specified that the shop grind the > crank in a specific way, they did it their way and ruined it, then wanted > to swap the rods for some other rods to make it work. I said no, get me > another crank and they kicked me out of their shop..but with a new crank > and machined block. I had the crankshaft redone at Marine Crankshaft in > LA and neutral balanced. Do this only if you have the winnings of the > national lottery in hand, lol. I ordered pistons from Wossner and after > more than two months they had made no progress on pistons. I wanted a 14:1 > CR. I finally told them to suck eggs and went to Probe. They said sure, we > can do that..only they couldn't. They sent the order to Ross who made > pistons but only in 11.4 CR. So power will be down. Note that the rods > that Sandy provided are from a 347 stroker kit which means that the rod > angles will be less with less sidewall scuffing on the power stroke or so > my theory goes. Rings are gap less total seal rings and low tension. I > purchased a Comp Cams timing chain set with Torrington bearing as thrust > control and it is nice as well. When I chatted with AFR regards the > capability of the AFR 165 heads, they ind9ocated that the valve springs > would not handle lift and rpm I wanted to use, so I obtained a set of > their much stronger springs with smaller coil wire diameter to permit the > lift. The crank operation took nearly 6 weeks to complete. The pistons > took longer so the plan to run this year went up in flames. while waiting > for parts I decided to build a run stand for the engine to sort out the > electronics I would need to take it to a dyno somewhere in Las Vegas. I > had to fabricate, twice I might add, an adapter plate to mate the block to > AOD transmission I use. My drill press was not up to the accuracy needed. > I purchased all the parts needed to complete the run stand. It is all > together now and day before yesterday, I finally gathered up the balls to > start the sucker. Always a factor when considering EFI and my wiring > skills. It ran but only with some serious fiddling. Turns out that for > some odd reason, that I used one set of timing marks on the damper to fab > a pointer and set it at TDC, then used another set of marks top install > the dizzy. Needless to say it was way off. But we did get it to run and > reasonably well. Yesterday I put the motor back to TDC using the correct > marks and redid the dizzy. We then started the motor (we, being my wife > and I) and after a bit of fiddling, got the static timing to 10 degrees. > Then gave control of the spark back to the computer and refired it. Idles > pretty well now, however, I had to open the throttle blade a couple of > turns on the adjusting screw. I need to investigate that some. Probably > needs a new gasket or two . I reused the intake manifold and injectors I > had with the turbo motor. I need to rescale the injector low slope for the > rpm and engine size now though. And I will rescale the load v spark table > as well. Fuel is probably all right. > > But, the bottom line is...IT runs and seems to run well. I chatted with > Rick Gold and got his gasoline recommendation and will be ordering a drum > of that for dyno testing. I want to eventually add a dyno brake to my run > stand so I can wear out the motor before I run on the salt, lol. Elon and > I have been chatting with concepts to do this for some time now. He has > some good ideas. > > I have made a couple of videos of the two runs so far. But they are large. > The first one was HD 1080P and took 460 MB for 7 minutes of run time. Next > I rescaled the video to use 320 P or some such and that came out at only > 53 MB. I recoded both to something way less, lol, but still too big to > email. I will need to cut them down some. If I can figure out how to edit > the video. As soon as I can get them to a manageable size then I will > either post them to the autox forum or my own webs site for download. > Just so that all of you who had a hand in this can see the fruits of you > inputs and provisioning. > > Oh, and I want a dyno brake, beg, borrow or steal, to handle about 800 hp > at more than 8000 rpm. I want to put it on my run stand. > > Many thanks to all of you for helping me make it happen! I will keep > everyone informed as the next year approaches.... > > mayf > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 2 09:37:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF96A4042E for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 09:37:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AAE40403 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 09:10:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A51261C0000E4 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 11:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqd003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.9]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3E080E000088 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 11:10:11 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 11:10:11 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1354464611; bh=pnDBwhz0MMVQUVatcg3fP1mt5D4FXvFVxp4nPBGJaOQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CwCQzOsZqnq3bmanQ+VBWw4KHmrYyX0ibVW8GuU3HJe6oJMSXUdUMfpODJmXvdib3 ATTTPICcdhYdy5SXAcS2tM8U3xXL4+bEjQgBfCcsW+zVO51a0J5ytq2m/4OcR//hGy 3f0tbinbW/Mn46ubECOy9QFZp6QJZdkzayjdyrhk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338950bb7d6361e0 Subject: [Tigers] Servo and F4B maniforld Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, In preparation of re-installing a rebuilt servo, I looked at my original iron 2 bbl. manifold sitting on a bench, and spotted where the vacuum fitting is located. Under the hood of my Mk 1A is an Edelbrock F4B. It appears that the attachment point for vacuum is at the rear end of the manifold, not pointing up but pointing towards the firewall. Does anyone know if this is correct? And is the fitting the same diameter and thread as the original manifold? Seasons greetings to all, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 3 15:21:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C229140532 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 15:21:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF47A4044D for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 15:20:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id lz20so3978637obb.14 for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 14:20:47 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=VMawErUCAV5QUQj9m3r0hVMup+7sE2PT3cBXMl6Lie8=; b=F354tbHg0/4kDFzs5mJI18AUQd0zcJiETrZdx/+6156xBTIeck4xsXxdaRlpBJof6i iUYY9Gez3XPYdYlzckZEvhT91AWdmehrXSbFY1K9reTaL1GIY+EvzCjxuHDBilcoQwkY /4fLYaFJ8O7LniufBv/BrQ8/rvwovK0lta4M7TJfqEoF8Rh3eux4/+e4QnURvoDXt+He TMbpyYHt8LDQ2o2oZdmnwQ8nD67J/n0/3F3rYuMQGmYn7OkbbT4g4gISZQA78ojtwSgk kGMS0amh8Hft4Kd2ZhH5BC+P6ljsmCmkhQ+AzA5bfiCwMfAiN6B3iaa1IVoA7Y4rAPV+ /2MQ== Received: by 10.182.64.101 with SMTP id n5mr5721598obs.11.1354573247686; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 14:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.73.104 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 14:20:27 -0800 (PST) From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 17:20:27 -0500 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Jackets Holiday Deadline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net December 5th will be the absolute deadline for anyone who wants to order a Tiger jacket in time for Christmas delivery. Thanks to Michael S. King, the proper Tiger script will now be used. Thanks, > I'm now accepting orders for the 4 different styles of Sunbeam Tiger >>> Jackets, Orders and Payments received by Dec. 5th will be shipped in time >>> for Christmas delivery. >>> >>> The computer rendering is on the link below as well as prices, photos of >>> the >>> various styles and color choices. >>> >>> http://www.michaelspantera.com/sunbeamtiger.html >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> Please respond to this email if you have a question not covered on the >>> webpage. Unfortunately, Credit Cards >>> can only be accepted in person with a signature required. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael L. Shortt >>> Savannah, Georgia >>> www.michaelshortt.com >>> michael@michaelshortt.com >>> 912-232-9390 >>> >>> >>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >>> privileged. 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Thank you _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 3 23:33:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C175040557 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 23:33:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BBF40511 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 23:33:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id xa7so2683763pbc.14 for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:32:56 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ahapdEpnzJSwLCV1dUaNP9CeEIqavHTuid7MFkDN5zk=; b=sxT1PF5+HHQlOKm6RdXDEvsguSfyoPFxUitHkRLTJnkrNwm9UTVphkXdy4XORfM5Kf Swlgu6DKxh+1FwLTPoyfv6d8hzzKNYCunhiyCNySOHBFtkfxiKiyfX2BpYvb0hcGc6qM CTAraxgEfDjIAO5i6ncP4yefQ6sqJwia+Epuzr1XMRdMzzaA6diV5rn8yePHuGI5s1AP 2sIlvByXIdJZFPqUe+f9WuzBDexF16/29hiaNmV1RSfCswunIzwM9Tc+Kn2+EYSlE1+2 bfVuD9TmCArLjG16ABEP4tcFNL6Sj/juAEJ88MzleoV5JRoMtr/waGR4fCY5fKT6EUxV ATxA== Received: by 10.68.213.33 with SMTP id np1mr35865839pbc.64.1354602776504; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.131.2 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 22:32:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 22:32:56 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: [Tigers] Looking for non-Sunbeam wood steering wheel to restore Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My son is doing amazing work in his high school wood class this semester. For his last project, he wants to restore a wood steering wheel - something like an old Moto-Lita would be best. Anyone have one that I can buy? The wood can be completely gone. Moto-lita is only given as a suggestion. Anything will work - but a flat metal that is sandwiched would be best (rather than the ones that have the rod that gets surrounded by the wood). Thanks, Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 3 23:37:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9844053C for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 23:37:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ea0-f169.google.com (mail-ea0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518C040511 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 23:37:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ea0-f169.google.com with SMTP id a12so1785262eaa.14 for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:36:55 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=weQEiuR2Sa7jHmUgW8O8KHT6dlsrfOva/oEPgcaDJIw=; b=quVI1pKZwNVxXchE+9L3LEAYo7EMeZqtkynyT58geUuxyhO5SsVrxoMN+nbtaxIdG8 HSOWNpVbjEVWuS+kofbeiTX0/o+J4QPgj7QmVLBU6Zmt1idkAu7UbntOz7MY9wMNOyKw dBTUrZNsRQGNufubsQVnbQ3Ks/bNxs4dOGLCKvAxJQ51riHqqsdbjUqv/JxjHcAXAV1w ot+RQ3V2GNSjmvfjcVuGy6fchyhPAb9l4Eo7KtabgN0D2kcE6Iu4uQuWmpCj+m8WZ9Ms 6mC1xHuKKICL8wpd72wy7CDK3e7veS5G/ffUEJYPR6gU77OOh21NRcCQIzD32GXvvxKD 6aFA== Received: by 10.14.178.196 with SMTP id f44mr45270623eem.14.1354603014949; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.4.203 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 22:36:54 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 17:36:54 +1100 From: michael king To: Jay Laifman Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Looking for non-Sunbeam wood steering wheel to restore Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, lots of S/H Nardi wheels on ebay cheap.. and if you choose wisely.. he can fix it for your X-mas/birthday present for the porsche or sunbeam! :-) On 4 December 2012 17:32, Jay Laifman wrote: > My son is doing amazing work in his high school wood class this semester. > For his last project, he wants to restore a wood steering wheel - something > like an old Moto-Lita would be best. > > Anyone have one that I can buy? The wood can be completely gone. > Moto-lita is only given as a suggestion. Anything will work - but a flat > metal that is sandwiched would be best (rather than the ones that have the > rod that gets surrounded by the wood). > > Thanks, > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 4 14:54:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266A3406B1 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 14:54:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp01.frii.com (smtp01.frii.com [216.17.135.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F484055C for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 14:54:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.frii.com (webmail.frii.com [216.17.135.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp01.frii.com (FRII) with ESMTP id 2EFD1E8488 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 14:53:58 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:53:58 -0700 From: Bob Dixon To: "tigers@autox.tea" User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.7.2 Subject: [Tigers] looking for a Tiger project Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone have a basket case or unfinished Tiger project they want to sell? I'm already itching to work on another Tiger. Thanks, Bob _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 10 18:57:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FD340E02 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:57:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E44740562 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:57:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8077E1C00015B for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mfd004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.120.79]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5570FE000085 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:56:23 -0500 (EST) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:56:23 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1355190983; bh=3KYBGfy/sX2B6n3u0xc6KLwiEmODQaGaPV/hiTGZtys=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P0oiuZZN6DBPdE7lrGr50KSDioHBDXUrj2cpfRhHaNMmNdnpvMfHni4x8El2Yl2xx DE25toQy9brsRqkSaZC9+HfoQsaOxFfIVk9NQQcz3//izTV+jAt12GgW0S3pHWPWgI ehSThhqoApPQvnXknp4uznwkP7rEHOs9rbwdcjAk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d50c692c7529a Subject: [Tigers] Alger????? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://view.exacttarget.com/?j=fe5e16797c65047b7411&m=fefd1071766d05 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 10 19:01:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CEF8406B6 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:01:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CB34068D for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:01:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9EC441C00013B for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mfd004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.120.79]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 72F41E000088 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:00:32 -0500 (EST) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:00:32 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1355191232; bh=RsooyrzpsuVISPWGdYJ4tKT9WsL/BaXpQzaHp8k3Bfk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iKlcXkACqxMLwhFMBz6BxZaPxNz0rlF+Tf+PxbRsqwR/ZyjshSLn7x6SJfnyBKpo4 0SoyZAyL1LkyR5wecnaRwmIdf32czjKb2UmnLOl9Kv602JVz+oG8dqo9PZReJTKC79 0DhkFoMwDiw1GZQJtxi+VwF8rZv4vB+8giEXSzgc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294850c693c0639f Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger????? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is on e-bay _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Alpine-Tiger-REAL-DEAL-1 967-Sunbeam-Alpine-Tiger-MK1A-V-8-260-EXCELLENT-/251197107944?pt=US_Cars_Tru cks&hash=item3a7c83aee8_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Alpine-Tiger-REAL-DEAL-1967-Sunbeam-Alpine-Tiger-MK1A-V-8-260-EXCELLENT-/25 1197107944?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a7c83aee8) In a message dated 12/10/2012 5:56:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, AAAGLASSS@aol.com writes: http://view.exacttarget.com/?j=fe5e16797c65047b7411&m=fefd1071766d05 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 10 21:59:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570BB4069B for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:59:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F9540655 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:59:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from lb7f8hsrpno-svcs.dcs.int.inet (HELO pd6ml2no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca) ([10.0.144.222]) by pd6mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 10 Dec 2012 21:58:44 -0700 cv=HUoWN8sqH4wajA0WKpKyUV7G7o/UpN4YSPso/+twBIs= c=1 sm=1 a=G2Hrq8H__dgA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=07qYva9XFuPVsmUOanpuKQ==:17 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=3IeLnGJ6AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=jRrFGy_1FIJf9vy5IG8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=YLfBOwZo8NefVw_d:21 a=mu4a6zFtddbegwPq:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.104]) ([184.64.56.176]) by pd6ml2no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 10 Dec 2012 21:58:43 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:58:42 -0700 From: Theo Smit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger????? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Lots of stuff that makes me cringe, but nothing that out-and-out says "Alger". In fact, the VIN plate looks to be attached with OEM rivets (I could be wrong there... best get it TAC'ed to be sure) and you can see the factory green under the peeling red paint. Other than the fan shroud it even appears to have most of the things that people spend a lot of time digging for, such as the oil filter mount, the air cleaner, and the heater control valve. You can see by the carpet wear mark in the trunk that it looks like the spare tire mount is actually there - they're just not using it. Also the visible stuff on the underside of the chassis seems to be mostly in correct order... notwithstanding the non-removable exhaust system. It will be interesting to see where the bidding goes on this. It would take a whole bunch of work to make 'nice' even assuming that there wasn't a boatload of body filler hiding rust or other damage. The fenders appear to be rolled but that could be just the lighting in the pictures. Theo On 12/10/2012 7:00 PM, AAAGLASSS@aol.com wrote: > This is on e-bay > > _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Alpine-Tiger-REAL-DEAL-1 > 967-Sunbeam-Alpine-Tiger-MK1A-V-8-260-EXCELLENT-/251197107944?pt=US_Cars_Tru > cks&hash=item3a7c83aee8_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Alpine-Tiger-REAL-DEAL-1967-Sunbeam-Alpine-Tiger-MK1A-V-8-260-EXCELLENT-/25 > 1197107944?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a7c83aee8) > > > In a message dated 12/10/2012 5:56:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > AAAGLASSS@aol.com writes: > > http://view.exacttarget.com/?j=fe5e16797c65047b7411&m=fefd1071766d05 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tsmit@shaw.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 11 07:05:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0981B406B0 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 07:05:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC10A40696 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 07:05:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:04:18 -0500 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:04:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] eBay Tiger 1A #2332 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Like Theo mentioned, looking at the car just from the photos, there's enough right to warrant getting a TAC inspection to make sure. I checked the distance to the nearest dependable TAC team (the Wash DC area), roughly 480 miles, but if the dealer has a little trouble getting to their eBay reserve, it might be worth their effort to arrange an inspection. Again, a fair bit of personalization, but enough seemingly correct stuff to warrant a TAC look. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 11 07:09:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA83A40E28 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 07:09:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f169.google.com (mail-ia0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8FA4064D for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 07:09:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ia0-f169.google.com with SMTP id r4so8019486iaj.14 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 06:08:46 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=NH6ppoKcQcea0+7AK4Bu8+ckEHxUQ+ZfCHJQRxTuhNM=; b=s8cDwVDdVDu9kI6nbaVNVNJExd6qESX+3RAY05CjqLgjeiZ3o9J5qvJbAD9b6e9LK+ NdSJUecRaAwqoXcgGhhiF1K+8dU8oPHPwjwLG9L7otiBKvu2sgu+pXQVAECPvmnM0C0Y X6vbA9LovW1pHTcuoDs8SoZ8s7Yp94bnItDFW9pls0aCI9sH5BcpBWRNmKhKjeZbwWGj NO3ILiuOzTtc7nK4HTCWJMbCIk+RujAWanKb5kgWCEH/OV65TF86mYKlzVGZaAkCwxjB mWUVNX4uazKV5xaAi9oI43hcQ4i7sK7QxvdX8Z+IarMxEM8uYr8GRflHt4PgbL/0AJWq AaNA== Received: by 10.42.82.136 with SMTP id d8mr6009634icl.31.1355234926455; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 06:08:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.7.206 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 06:08:46 -0800 (PST) References: <50c73d62.5e0.0@thecia.net> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:08:46 -0600 From: Cullen McCann To: rande@thecia.net Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] eBay Tiger 1A #2332 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net for my personal knowledge growth, other than items that are simply custom, unrestored characteristics on this car, please give me an example of something seen on this car that even suggests it might be an alger, in other words, something presented about the car that suggests the intent to decieve or fake a tiger. thanks! Cullen On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:04 AM, rande wrote: > Like Theo mentioned, looking at the car just from the photos, there's > enough > right to warrant getting a TAC inspection to make sure. I checked the > distance > to the nearest dependable TAC team (the Wash DC area), roughly 480 miles, > but > if the dealer has a little trouble getting to their eBay reserve, it might > be > worth their effort to arrange an inspection. Again, a fair bit of > personalization, > but enough seemingly correct stuff to warrant a TAC look. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 11 09:00:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF23C40E29 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:00:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6308340696 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:59:57 -0700 (MST) a=U5mFY+KAvaEtfx8xIxDzBg==:17 a=HFgOM6OToTwA:10 a=571T0BMYa1MA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=RJTJx6MIfNEA:10 a=o1fjYSrgV007M92FeqEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=U5mFY+KAvaEtfx8xIxDzBg==:117 Received: from [65.27.186.182] ([65.27.186.182:60187] helo=OwnerHP) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 44/35-21565-15857C05; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:59:13 +0000 From: "Curt Hoffman" To: References: <50c73d62.5e0.0@thecia.net> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:59:11 -0500 Thread-Index: AQFcL0tHHLNXAoDOPJvOyr9vqaggk5j3EYiw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] eBay Tiger 1A #2332 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >From the pictures it looks like the dealer used a fair amount of black spray paint to make the underside look good. You can see where the paint line stops on things like the brake dust cover, springs, and such. Nothing wrong with a cheapo paint job of course depending on what it is covering. Curt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 11 18:35:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7D340E43 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 18:35:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s32.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s32.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706C640E1C for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 18:35:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU166-W44 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s32.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:34:27 -0800 From: Curt Bowland To: tigers Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:34:27 -0600 FILETIME=[D3261A00:01CDD808] Subject: [Tigers] e-bay Tiger? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Three things caught my eye. If you look closely at the interior shot showing the shifter. The stalk looks original BUT the chrome surround to th boot and floor would appear to be rectangular NOT round. Also in the same photo the trans tunnel looks a bit strange to my eye. Also pedal space looks a bit odd/off and some wires hanging down do not add much Like the interior upholstry treatment. Also wheels are some I have not seen before. Always wonder how these cars turn up and NOBODY seems to know anything about them, event with the show plaque? Coment on authenticity of the VIN is quite interesting. I( hadmy car TAC'd last year and the riviet was questioned. I am the third owner and know for sure that the car is original. When I questioned the issue I was told that in many instances rivit "originality" is almost impossible to confirm!! Go figure. Cheers to all listers My .02 worth _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 11 19:30:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DC940E3E for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:30:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f175.google.com (mail-wi0-f175.google.com [209.85.212.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB3E403EB for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:30:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f175.google.com with SMTP id hm11so2296287wib.14 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 18:29:25 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0ArjYID7h+MtRGeRJzdRKCZ5GeVZ43JHnvAa7ubmgqw=; b=ss+H02VuIYzaH2zWhRA8oapbGf0iIsz6V5B6aUYr/rjfmXUIb4Zx3Nx415YbrD87vt ytDrXOtgaJEY1m+pUyfzQw7wWxwlt4tQeiS2puH+Bla1EdIpG20C+nJ2pCq6d6HwVuje hfQfJTxIy8hI2wq8F8oSEQPb3Z6PicNvo9ZSAj6F3mmr2/ZwG5IFdEKFXjLQxjMy2nw/ aYrl8uZBCnX0cscAiz4GdhRhP6Wm8lOn6JmliWjB37THE1S3Wf9+drEKTdMYs12eMv+N 8cVkLn2q8RztK1xLWjjam1c/X+oAt0+LlRsbNXvDGlQyTq2khE/ZWAfmzmqUzAv73faa QZJg== Received: by 10.194.19.10 with SMTP id a10mr230492wje.45.1355279365005; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 18:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.203.33 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 18:29:24 -0800 (PST) References: <50c73d62.5e0.0@thecia.net> <002a01cdd7b8$75d637e0$6182a7a0$@cinci.rr.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:29:24 -0500 From: Jeffery Randall To: Curt Hoffman Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] eBay Tiger 1A #2332 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It seems to me like some of you people are a bit paranoid, not every tiger that you've never seen before is a fake. Do your homework and only spend what you can afford, if it runs well and looks good ,chances are good you'll be happy. My 2 cents worth, Jeff On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Curt Hoffman wrote: > From the pictures it looks like the dealer used a fair amount of black > spray paint to make the underside look good. You can see where the paint > line stops on things like the brake dust cover, springs, and such. Nothing > wrong with a cheapo paint job of course depending on what it is covering. > > Curt > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 11 20:00:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4A840E52 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:00:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B1440564 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:00:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:59:25 -0500 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:59:25 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] eBay Tiger 1A #2332 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A disclaimer. I'm just one of sixty-odd TAC inspectors. I'm neither the chief justice nor one of the regular justices of the TAC Supreme Court. My point this morning was that, based on what I could see strictly from the eBay photos, I would not discourage the dealer from thinking about a TAC inspection, if it was convenient for him/her. Assuming that the eBay reserve was close to their 'buy it now' figure. If this car was advertised or presented with a TAC certificate, it might help the dealer get close to the price they're looking for. But, I'm just one TAC inspector, and as all of you remember from elementary school Tiger class, it takes three inspectors to agree after inspecting the car in person before a certificate and sticker can be issued. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 11 20:48:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66EC40E50 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:48:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2927B40E2A for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:48:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.233.65.193] (19.sub-174-254-233.myvzw.com [174.254.233.19]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id qBC3m2aX029758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:48:03 -0800 References: <50c7f30d.2679.0@thecia.net> From: C And J Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:47:59 -0800 To: "rande@thecia.net" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] My understanding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If anyone who is healthy wonders why Tiger people are so fixated on authenticity. My understanding is that an alger got a big award at a Tigers United, which caused an aneurism in this person. Ever since than, it's effected everyone else and now it's 90 percent of the discussion for Tiger people. Thus, scaring away a lot of healthy, normal people from a lot of events. Now you know. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2012, at 6:59 PM, "rande" wrote: > A disclaimer. > I'm just one of sixty-odd TAC inspectors. I'm neither the chief justice nor > one of the regular justices of the TAC Supreme Court. > > My point this morning was that, based on what I could see strictly from the > eBay photos, I would not discourage the dealer from thinking about a TAC inspection, > if it was convenient for him/her. Assuming that the eBay reserve was close to > their 'buy it now' figure. If this car was advertised or presented with a TAC > certificate, it might help the dealer get close to the price they're looking > for. > > But, I'm just one TAC inspector, and as all of you remember from elementary > school Tiger class, it takes three inspectors to agree after inspecting the > car in person before a certificate and sticker can be issued. > > Rande Bellman > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cjcoffel@sonic.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 11 21:42:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30A140E57 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:42:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8AC240E2A for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:41:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail164-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.232) by CO1EHSOBE016.bigfish.com (10.243.66.79) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:41:10 +0000 Received: from mail164-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail164-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5098F4006D; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:41:10 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail164-co1: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail164-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail164-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1355287268276382_7850; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS008.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.234]) by mail164-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B2FA2006F; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CO1EHSMHS008.bigfish.com (10.243.66.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:41:08 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.182) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:41:22 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.3.116]) by OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.182]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:41:06 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: C And J Thread-Topic: [Tigers] My understanding Thread-Index: AQHN2Bt0txJ8IIAEE0m4q85YWYQFH5gUksuA Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:40:43 +0000 References: <50c7f30d.2679.0@thecia.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] My understanding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tiger authenticity, when bidding on an auction offering, has to do with fair and legal representation of the car in question. Nothing more or less. I don't know what Al's original concern was that he brought up the question, and he hasn't waded back into this quagmire to rescue us. The particular car being offered is rough around the edges and shows signs of less than ideal stewardship through its existence, but the pictures, to my eye, don't show anything that would make me worry about its chassis not being a Tiger since day one. Having said that, if I was interested in the car, I'd find a way to get down there to see it in person or else get someone to do that. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of C And J > Sent: December 11, 2012 8:48 PM > To: rande@thecia.net > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] My understanding > > If anyone who is healthy wonders why Tiger people are so fixated on > authenticity. My understanding is that an alger got a big award at a > Tigers > United, which caused an aneurism in this person. Ever since than, it's > effected everyone else and now it's 90 percent of the discussion for > Tiger > people. Thus, scaring away a lot of healthy, normal people from a lot > of > events. > > Now you know. > Chris > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 11, 2012, at 6:59 PM, "rande" wrote: > > > A disclaimer. > > I'm just one of sixty-odd TAC inspectors. I'm neither the chief > justice nor > > one of the regular justices of the TAC Supreme Court. > > > > My point this morning was that, based on what I could see strictly > from the > > eBay photos, I would not discourage the dealer from thinking about a > TAC > inspection, > > if it was convenient for him/her. Assuming that the eBay reserve was > close > to > > their 'buy it now' figure. If this car was advertised or presented > with a > TAC > > certificate, it might help the dealer get close to the price they're > looking > > for. > > > > But, I'm just one TAC inspector, and as all of you remember from > elementary > > school Tiger class, it takes three inspectors to agree after > inspecting the > > car in person before a certificate and sticker can be issued. > > > > Rande Bellman > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cjcoffel@sonic.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 11 22:12:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842A440E4B for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:12:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA81403FE for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:10:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aBy21k0051ap0As53V9pUd; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:09:49 +0000 Received: from OldHickory.comcast.net ([24.125.152.229]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aV9o1k00U4xDDKL3iV9pN5; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:09:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 00:08:47 -0500 To: "Smit, Theo" ,C And J From: Marc James Small rmin.com> References: <50c7f30d.2679.0@thecia.net> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E1506C8DC@OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com> s=q20121106; t=1355288989; bh=2PnZSCV5qHH5khtmzdVRcO404nNpqAjtTicxkpkzavw=; h=Received:Received:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Gubx6WMzMtRH0n/F7vU1hWusID7BS7LGtliI6X/O1P3aJLC/nyr463wlwaVzW+e8v Fr5HhKVMLFCUoLWS7MB59t2/0ao4Fp/GCVhy5/lforscf0jPZKvVQ8/F1n4MQaOTax rjIHpcAVKrlNncvUTxc3L7C9TdFxR4Q1iS823gy0iIIQ4H4O2UAjLIr+TQCWIJNk1q QZIx+t0pxyiBECBzIeT/E3yzUcS7ICwQJAatxc6YETBvS5r2hx2s15vMzk8e+apNl5 j+pVEeY6fBQPo1+o9+eUSdImAIXlveXWIFE05dswtRaiEjYDyLpsIXYNVFBONv1ZY8 PkHTZkGj6ibCA== Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] My understanding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At 11:40 PM 12/11/2012, Smit, Theo wrote: >Tiger authenticity, when bidding on an auction offering, has to do with fair >and legal representation of the car in question. Nothing more or less. I don't >know what Al's original concern was that he brought up the question, and he >hasn't waded back into this quagmire to rescue us. The particular car being >offered is rough around the edges and shows signs of less than ideal >stewardship through its existence, but the pictures, to my eye, don't show >anything that would make me worry about its chassis not being a Tiger since >day one. Having said that, if I was interested in the car, I'd find a way to >get down there to see it in person or else get someone to do that. I believe that what the original fellow was saying is that too many Tiger owners are Greedy Guts who simply want desperately to save their dollar investment and to treat their ownership as if it was an unmarked Swiss bank account. The Tiger List tends to involve only three kinds of folks:: First, there are those who are only concerned with the cosmetics. "how do we fit a poppit to secure the convrtiible top'? Second, the greedy guts: 'this car is my legacy and oh I am so very, very, very frightened that I shall have to deal with crossbreed!' It is almost a racial matter once it is seen in those lights. Third, how to hot-rod a Tiger. On other British car lists, the dynamic is just different and tens to run along the lines of preserving old cars. It is a different universe, even on our affiliated Alpine list. Go figure! Be well and Merry Christmas to all. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 12 04:24:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02A340E54 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:24:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm40-vm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm40-vm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFAD40424 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:24:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm40.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2012 11:23:38 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.99] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2012 11:23:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2012 11:23:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 8222 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2012 11:23:37 -0000 s=s1024; t=1355311417; bh=ekaMlm64GJGvIXmgJaSp1seoOEzktckubHk+CCB5sZk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qzUUrSK+BtIBbMVEdbyk+eOahTdgCKrnKhnRupQC+SYffwi8gK9XjYK+gMFQEvsrXlCnvYtYy6QbIihdrC0YEgKM4Ehhy/nSrIE11g7fF+Y8tpl7uLiPx9Q0605Ibp4Lqik3nJtQpcYhDPKDRIN+cYmtge+XlgOWS6WesiisUxA= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2ZsQfINnJOBE5yn4hq/+YRghzKRbrf4xpk+Z3o5/rTcZ4EZqeE6Iv/wmQ7DXr9q0xTIwcOZ+d31OyKLJ0QilD9tW5D4f2w19Zp0HM0kQifcJO/OyfaNzrK7r1RnYEaaEHSHp9NzGnqWef5UtXxeJvrmVl6jIL4eyL98oiP5WalE=; fiX0zd65yJLWlC_JbXGixpi2CCC4v939iYRhDgpiVsy0GFMqMA0UbINm_Rkk 1pWPoyXaMtq8MJj7Qt3IkfqAPrwUbQZjWEpzljgoXjX_Gv4vdlmXbxcBDnSN bKRAJQObVul1d3Z6YMgNQztkJGGUI6xbNDslkiINLq7x4QMIRm_foiVGJ7Iy PuMV.0OTbWm.E4kCDqrRxmt_rDyJIb8iQ9oi0RFcwo95L2wxIyLSnY07Wuuo XPWf7GvzJpjYG4adog.i3wBrUMcSHzq._yaHKYRrT9o2StHmYZdDLhg9ChqQ c_MbhlAMhYDrreuVGgMf.p2KPlGj.0IpqwUTcEqSrbX3apO0s3bgIQMZC3qc nibI5mWHJ0hjn48etY7wKQR_JbEPbwGQkO1CsnNrpsmrKU_cRsxvgEQstq4b DdMyfo9JvaGOFNi0NQ2wr9PVkRR47WfiRnEnc2qPdCD7roZWEWFEjpbfkER_ 0GXgwnsTUzswnfIbFtPwnwnKaCvEdRB80Db8PctaaoJVHvA8CwXTX9hVWTW. iqKkk0SOPRu2UTcRS50AR Received: from [184.21.37.243] by web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 03:23:37 PST VGhlcmUgYXJlIGZsYXdzIGluIGFsbCBzeXN0ZW1zLsKgwqAgTXkgVGlnZXIgInRoZSBiZXN0IGluIHRoZSB3b3JsZCIgaGFzIGEgVEFDIGNlcnRpZmljYXRlIHRoYXQgc3RhdGVzLsKgICIgbm8gb3JpZ2luYWwgcml2ZXRzIsKgwqAgVGhlIHJpdmV0cyBhcmUgb3JpZ2luYWwuV2hpY2ggSSBwb2ludGVkIG91dCB5ZWFyc8KgIGxhdGVyIHRvIGdldCBjb3JyZWN0ZWQuwqAgTm9ib2R5IHdhbnRzIHRvIG92ZXJpZGUuwqDCoMKgIFdlIG5lZWQgYSBjb3VydC7CoCBUaGVuIGEgc3VwcmVtZSBjb3VydC7CoMKgIEdhcnkBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 03:23:37 -0800 (PST) From: arado7@sbcglobal.net To: C And J Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] My understanding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net There are flaws in all systems. My Tiger "the best in the world" has a TAC certificate that states. " no original rivets" The rivets are original.Which I pointed out years later to get corrected. Nobody wants to overide. We need a court. Then a supreme court. Gary Moore B9472283 tac 311 car is not for sale. --- On Wed, 12/12/12, C And J wrote: From: C And J Subject: Re: [Tigers] My understanding To: "rande@thecia.net" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 3:47 AM If anyone who is healthy wonders why Tiger people are so fixated on authenticity. My understanding is that an alger got a big award at a Tigers United, which caused an aneurism in this person. Ever since than, it's effected everyone else and now it's 90 percent of the discussion for Tiger people. Thus, scaring away a lot of healthy, normal people from a lot of events. Now you know. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2012, at 6:59 PM, "rande" wrote: > A disclaimer. > I'm just one of sixty-odd TAC inspectors. I'm neither the chief justice nor > one of the regular justices of the TAC Supreme Court. > > My point this morning was that, based on what I could see strictly from the > eBay photos, I would not discourage the dealer from thinking about a TAC inspection, > if it was convenient for him/her. Assuming that the eBay reserve was close to > their 'buy it now' figure. If this car was advertised or presented with a TAC > certificate, it might help the dealer get close to the price they're looking > for. > > But, I'm just one TAC inspector, and as all of you remember from elementary > school Tiger class, it takes three inspectors to agree after inspecting the > car in person before a certificate and sticker can be issued. > > Rande Bellman > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cjcoffel@sonic.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 12 11:02:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A7E40E67 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:02:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2044053F for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:02:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id bj3so796387pad.14 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:01:38 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oUxnYCpZq2yzZYLZ0+dykw9lBahWI/AxKEgPf/vy2Tk=; b=dgFWWXvbfvaEb5hLd4Bsy/RlwhA7hPSYlY/dY4sRCAnRlen0akDiBOtZzO+PtJc6r0 36Wqk/CBvDo7/3HP8mv2oFNqM1Q58eVxXaWbMQN77+/niUMVciNKKzApvKEy/0j5URSv jLREVXjIFjLvZ3SKkApDJ64pq7Wemy45EHxuTET5OzdzwG/WHm5gDkCh505lvcgOM4tB 16hTDJf5dr6XvLJZaZsDi+LjGcSWTLPkyROpyMNRkMJKH7HcqkP3412gKpzI8ghNVn/N D05rogpQVJdzxRBJ7+36N/Fm/iMafTALeqSYoRFuetT+QRZaQ2OtY+PHkODLSagDcCly CBCA== Received: by 10.66.83.134 with SMTP id q6mr4563122pay.34.1355335298103; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.131.2 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:01:37 -0800 (PST) References: <1355311417.95307.YahooMailClassic@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:01:37 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] My understanding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net To be fair, there are not all that many cars out there where the only "official" difference is on a VIN tag that is pop-riveted on. Ford V8s and trannys are relatively easy to obtain - and a change that many Alpine owners might want to do anyway - and even easier when a dead Tiger is available. Other companies have better records of the cars and VINs stamped onto various parts of the cars. Sure there are other marques where the hi-po versions can be copied, and are. It just that Tigers are part of that group - and those other marque owners are probably just as concerned about fakes (unless they are buyers who are drunk at an auction with some knucklehead in their face egging them - which I've never understood. Guess it works). > > --- On Wed, 12/12/12, C And J wrote: > > From: C And J > Subject: Re: [Tigers] My understanding > To: "rande@thecia.net" > Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" > Date: Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 3:47 AM > > If anyone who is healthy wonders why Tiger people are so fixated on > authenticity. My understanding is that an alger got a big award at a Tigers > United, which caused an aneurism in this person. Ever since than, it's > effected everyone else and now it's 90 percent of the discussion for Tiger > people. Thus, scaring away a lot of healthy, normal people from a lot of > events. > > Now you know. > Chris > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 11, 2012, at 6:59 PM, "rande" wrote: > > > A disclaimer. > > I'm just one of sixty-odd TAC inspectors. I'm neither the chief justice > nor > > one of the regular justices of the TAC Supreme Court. > > > > My point this morning was that, based on what I could see strictly from > the > > eBay photos, I would not discourage the dealer from thinking about a TAC > inspection, > > if it was convenient for him/her. Assuming that the eBay reserve was > close > to > > their 'buy it now' figure. If this car was advertised or presented with a > TAC > > certificate, it might help the dealer get close to the price they're > looking > > for. > > > > But, I'm just one TAC inspector, and as all of you remember from > elementary > > school Tiger class, it takes three inspectors to agree after inspecting > the > > car in person before a certificate and sticker can be issued. > > > > Rande Bellman > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cjcoffel@sonic.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 12 11:23:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E3340E61 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:23:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A880440E43 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:23:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from vznit170074pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MEX008DJKCIB672@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:21:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from 71.170.114.21 ([71.170.114.21]) by vznit170074 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:21:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:21:54 -0600 (CST) From: racetig@verizon.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 382 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 12 11:25:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039CD40E62 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:25:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F206240414 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:25:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from TerriPC ([unknown] [71.109.100.177]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MEX00NPHKGI0AH0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:24:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Kirk Smith" To: References: <1355311417.95307.YahooMailClassic@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:24:12 -0800 Thread-index: Ac3YWyboDKAftV54SYOw+5e9sxNVDAAOU57Q Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] My understanding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I had a similar incident occur when I had my Tiger TAC'd. A TAC team was at a CAT get together several years ago, and I wanted to support the program. Mind you, I had no doubt that my car was an authentic Tiger so, after it passed the TAC inspection, I didn't look too closely at the paperwork until I got back home after the event. When I saw the 'no original rivets' box checked, I couldn't believe it! I knew better; at the next Tiger outing where I had my car (I'm pretty sure it was a TU), I ask Tom Hall to take a look at my rivets and tell me what he thought. Tom Hall is the #1 senior inspector in the entire program. Tom looked at my rivets and confirmed that they were original. When I told him that the 'no original rivets' box had been checked at the TAC inspection, he graciously offered to write me a letter regarding my original rivets- which he did as soon as the he got home from TU. I have that letter stapled to the TAC certificate. So, there is hope that you might be able to have your injustice rectified some day! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of arado7@sbcglobal.net Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:24 AM To: C And J Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] My understanding There are flaws in all systems. My Tiger "the best in the world" has a TAC certificate that states. " no original rivets" The rivets are original.Which I pointed out years later to get corrected. Nobody wants to overide. We need a court. Then a supreme court. Gary Moore B9472283 tac 311 car is not for sale. --- On Wed, 12/12/12, C And J wrote: From: C And J Subject: Re: [Tigers] My understanding To: "rande@thecia.net" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 3:47 AM If anyone who is healthy wonders why Tiger people are so fixated on authenticity. My understanding is that an alger got a big award at a Tigers United, which caused an aneurism in this person. Ever since than, it's effected everyone else and now it's 90 percent of the discussion for Tiger people. Thus, scaring away a lot of healthy, normal people from a lot of events. Now you know. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2012, at 6:59 PM, "rande" wrote: > A disclaimer. > I'm just one of sixty-odd TAC inspectors. I'm neither the chief > justice nor one of the regular justices of the TAC Supreme Court. > > My point this morning was that, based on what I could see strictly > from the eBay photos, I would not discourage the dealer from thinking > about a TAC inspection, > if it was convenient for him/her. Assuming that the eBay reserve was > close to > their 'buy it now' figure. If this car was advertised or presented > with a TAC > certificate, it might help the dealer get close to the price they're looking > for. > > But, I'm just one TAC inspector, and as all of you remember from > elementary school Tiger class, it takes three inspectors to agree > after inspecting the car in person before a certificate and sticker can be issued. > > Rande Bellman > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cjcoffel@sonic.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 10:16:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC5A4055B for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:16:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19958403EC for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:12:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bt1C1k00217UAYkA3tBlp3; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 17:11:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([76.120.109.222]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id btBk1k00M4nwTpY8ZtBlPX; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 17:11:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:11:44 -0700 From: Ken Tisdale Organization: Denver Custom Signs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1355591505; bh=qyG2bBzFyRhxlXvKHtZNab8Sa2Yobho33WzusW1L3Ng=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:MIME-Version:To: Subject:Content-Type; b=Q5GR5pBOPIROmCGSyzDiqmxJrloaizfF5R7YLMvg8NhT3KYjpi9Rz/RCXrKcs7AoW VXvTBHQlP27kpNJlO9e4yQGFxu15ru0xOcexpDddfyQamBXsQNiHnZHWXRQTgwXCH/ OuPzm/1Vgy7Z/rpomewu0Iuc5HRYlvFL3upH8Mb3l0bEFUzlb9kESKs7UsSC3x9cge X9X10IWcXE4B533zxiKW+CjjUhQbm84KRwKYuhUBLUJHlNgMTd9OcOKafkc0o3e53a JKjKRxp06YBkfxyG6RJRWqlFHk0n6+FKA3xiWITMuhLDq77/BnsblD68Ytn9zz5PQw Bz4LFlQLcYV3Q== Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Alpine. Tiger, and Sunbeam Truetype fonts... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Anybody know where to find them? The ones I used to have have disappeared from my computer. Ken -- http://denvercustomsigns.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of ktisdale.vcf] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 10:53:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4154245C for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:53:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB50240557 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:53:17 -0700 (MST) c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1355593932; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=UYxgMWqmHw3bWjUk4Io0i+naZSA=; b=OcSs0qH53HyrXZfFvOBMqKBGDBm+WJVz+sVFl7qfy2OuvptX5rc27wwkBmauMMq0 JLAYoH6cFlaZ9gDEo6zbmOIegjH8HIhX4Lhe8Mp9LJZXDGl4wXolnbshRLdBJcgG; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=spNdU7hVSxxSTa/SUdnwBQ==:17 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=kGjRvzGVi-sA:10 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=UH6zL4Fvy-3-aJygzosA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=SAlwmJZPobBdW7CaSuAA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=spNdU7hVSxxSTa/SUdnwBQ==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=wseay@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.48.134.95] ([71.48.134.95:20252] helo=xpseay) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPA id 9F/1E-16538-BC8BCC05; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:52:12 -0500 From: "Will Seay" To: Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:51:59 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac3a7OFQJ8G0RW5BTPyNZ0LtslWuEw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Remote Spin-on Adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have seen a number of Tigers with a remote oil filter adapter that doesn't require bending and manipulating oil hoses every time an oil filter is changed. The adapter is mounted at the front of the engine, replacing the OEM assembly. Hoses connect permanently to the adapter assembly and don't have to be messed with when a filter is removed or replaced. The filter just screws into the adapter (filter inverted from stock orientation) and hose connections don't have to be disturbed. Does anyone know who makes an adapter like this or where I can buy one? Thanks, Will - 382001570 Will Seay_____________ wseay@embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 11:44:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C4A42468 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:44:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3158940558 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:43:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2012 18:42:33 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.192] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2012 18:42:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1050.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2012 18:42:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 61464 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2012 18:42:32 -0000 s=s1024; t=1355596952; bh=NmBOtJ3X+gJYaFnaLLxr5c9KiPXL+MJkAL1bpiSd5Jc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zmuW0b24sNZ9aFkzAsjwd7egfwr8XdWWZyl8Vj/+CqOTQfo+I+T/j45L1OFmntAUpWo/MkT5Bk978rIeTbo0QlBsANRj9HMriDOsDmnj0a+7x7t7IdNlDKGFy2K16R0v0tpRaxTk7GtAoTU8mESiYAL2hv54PMVK/rnRVf1u0BQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=X28FehMsnle0emtZ3r8QeEx3v3k8XgJ8cHtfWeEHpKr2cq8mUBGRBrkl0QOoTXxeOOdgkoxqidQ5p8i+ncDDCt8hBiXJMTvHoh2rrvwLledr/tjTU6VQMib/nGS1oqpe3z7RS0zm54Kh7gNtgIg+tS0vKjHVoRnXH8Sb1BJRA+Y=; Uo34_5L1Kp55QCu.fn4FnHgSRdQxGuLsm8CbS8XFQooxa51N2B68m0Zeh6Fi 0KJWUyk37m69Htn_4r1cRH8cCdFBP13yfWDiceHSjomFtBVkNXED6pzAazJa s7Iz8YMygVEwu_kqLQR7GjEwvt03M3t6dq1j4W6_QNLGkHgVCTFssbDYimh4 EKYoZp1tROt2_dYgxuG7JXcUziRxaveqr6kVurV3dj4wA9neFti9CSgJjPvP OaXsS0X94v_XXEOlmEt7IHqzJOH5HkHPHXsk_dYMXWbTvgcxVfi4dp_YhQEe B7YS5Ng9YMzdjSjM1Mdxj9rskOTP5gJfpLNVktzhRzEF6aHeYzV_jfH.wArd 67WbTM3ZGkEc95gu1Gf9tqToizWpBr9KTjY5qmm0viVtEsfo1uVDLzoiI0ko qJjcujKZodW..zQuBNX0G0PqnV2vmx6TlMb.CmRtMpKQyuSgjrq_8SsQngw6 YdHxuCIO_9qgCqDIV0An6Fr4yh2lBu96UxxWXKCicuKgZRYJ5rAtDnP1cl8p A5mDEocrwCwkkQ03wl6l.jvt82tC2S0Z5F5eEKcwM71We8e04EHzDXc1TNOp xgoEH2iGkC_sn6RUYbRMsJkGzh_YPtuH2nBxOc2uwAfB2OEVAoJ6nlkF7_kO seZMlL1LL2IqpT7ihly1pyHRmtwNUO7bbuEvK0KSgFl8Nf1ADMkgzeFwh8Az Gr.HNKcDZhropWb7jatIZmZKciAlnyLdcBE53p4vwcOIjvRD7UFc_F3ZGhFY _aDP9K9RSa2rIp2CMNNDtgo1mWi5JLrQpS8DdXa_fOiHmY272pr5vm5y2r0v u.d0_OCvR5bEa2PDuQ0D6njf1O.1t35NS8ufMxRgXBEVNXBMo1nP7dBcSneJ .X3_r2eTAkBfQw9cbLpAB0zVKXjC0NeS7aZcn.v20Em3cUeNyG98IZ5m9ouC zJ69D7ntBxKiz_Fsw1D1Y8cbXC3NDK68eNdPJlHszwSfJLOR6HdBNLhI_mjj rEWzhAQj10lkw0L1e8HUKVbblkUt6dWwSBC3GAW1fhHRVICCsW1nh0Y7aIw- - Received: from [76.194.231.216] by web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:42:32 PST V2lsbCwNCsKgDQpJIGhhdmUgZG9uZSB0aGlzIHNldHVwIG9uIHNldmVyYWwgVGlnZXJzIGFuZCBoYXZlIHNlZW4gaXQgb24gb3RoZXJzLiBUaGUgb25seSBjb25jZXJuIEkgaGF2ZSB3aXRoIHRoaXMgc2V0dXAgaXMgdGhhdCB0aGUgZmlsdGVyIGlzIG1heSBiZSBlbXB0eSByaWdodCBhdCBzdGFydHVwLg0KwqANCkkgcG9rZSBhIGhvbGUgaW4gdGhlIHRvcCBvZiB0aGUgZmlsdGVyIHByaW9yIHRvIGNoYW5naW5nIGl0IHRvIG1ha2Ugc3VyZSBpdCBkcmFpbnMgYmVmb3JlIHJlbW92YWwuDQrCoA0KSGF5ZGVuIGIBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:42:32 -0800 (PST) From: Gary To: Will Seay Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Remote Spin-on Adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Will, I have done this setup on several Tigers and have seen it on others. The only concern I have with this setup is that the filter is may be empty right at startup. I poke a hole in the top of the filter prior to changing it to make sure it drains before removal. Hayden block adapter - #291. I found the block adapter by itself http://www.haydenauto.com/upload/HaydenAuto/Documents/Cat_Hayden/2007-hayden- trans-oil-coolers.pdf Perma Cool filter mount - #1211 (I think) http://shop.perma-cool.com/Single-Port-Oil-Filter-Mounts_c39.htm or Trans-Dapt 1028 http://compare.ebay.com/like/200807026258?_lwgsi=y<yp=AllFixedPriceItemType s&var=sbar IIRC I got the oil line at Pep Boys and picked up the brass fittings and clamps at Home Depot. Unfortunately for the List members the pictures will not come through. Gary --- On Sat, 12/15/12, Will Seay wrote: From: Will Seay Subject: [Tigers] Remote Spin-on Adapter To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, December 15, 2012, 9:51 AM I have seen a number of Tigers with a remote oil filter adapter that doesn't require bending and manipulating oil hoses every time an oil filter is changed. The adapter is mounted at the front of the engine, replacing the OEM assembly. Hoses connect permanently to the adapter assembly and don't have to be messed with when a filter is removed or replaced. The filter just screws into the adapter (filter inverted from stock orientation) and hose connections don't have to be disturbed. Does anyone know who makes an adapter like this or where I can buy one? Thanks, Will - 382001570 Will Seay_____________ wseay@embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/maliburevue@yahoo.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of PANA0396.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of PANA0398.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of PANA0399.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of PANA0400.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of PANA0402.JPG] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 11:50:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DC542465 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:50:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E389B403EA for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:49:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from student2 ([unknown] [96.249.192.65]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MF3008IY5KYZNM0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:48:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <000501cddaec$e23abe10$a6b03a30$@com> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:48:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Remote Spin-on Adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fram makes a number of remote oil filter adapters. A quick search of Google Images might help you find what you are looking for. Others have gone to the block style adapter. It has roughly a 90 degree configuration that is one piece (no hoses!). I see a number of advantages to the 90 degree adapter, some of which are no hoses and more room in the tight engine bay. From a heat perspective the filter is rather thin and likely dissipates heat. The original setup puts that heat into the engine bay. The other style adapter puts the heat more in the airstream of cooler air moving under the car. The disadvantages are having to get under the car to change the filter and possible header/exhaust clearance. I found an adapter off a Ford van that not only had the 90 degree bend, but the filter was also angled outward more into the airstream. Also, because the adapter rotates around the center attachment bolt it allowed the filter to follow the frame rail angle. The list won't take pictures, but if I can find the image I'll send it separately. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Seay" To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 9:51 AM Subject: [Tigers] Remote Spin-on Adapter >I have seen a number of Tigers with a remote oil filter adapter that >doesn't > require bending and manipulating oil hoses every time an oil filter is > changed. > The adapter is mounted at the front of the engine, replacing the OEM > assembly. > Hoses connect permanently to the adapter assembly and don't have to be > messed > with when a filter is removed or replaced. The filter just screws into > the > adapter (filter inverted from stock orientation) and hose connections > don't have > to be disturbed. Does anyone know who makes an adapter like this or where > I can > buy one? > > > > Thanks, Will - 382001570 > > > > Will Seay_____________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 12:07:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A574245E for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:07:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB4B40554 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from student2 ([unknown] [96.249.192.65]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MF300DXY65EIJN1@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:00:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <000501cddaec$e23abe10$a6b03a30$@com> <2B7E045E3DB144668EBCCE83E05DAD66@student2> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:00:59 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Remote Spin-on Adapter (correction) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A correction to my original post. The adapter/filter do not follow the line of the frame rail. It does fit neatly between the crossmember and the motor mount. 13 years on jackstand and a long time since I've looked fogged my memory. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Witt" To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Remote Spin-on Adapter > Fram makes a number of remote oil filter adapters. A quick search of > Google Images might help you find what you are looking for. Others have > gone to the block style adapter. It has roughly a 90 degree configuration > that is one piece (no hoses!). > > I see a number of advantages to the 90 degree adapter, some of which are > no hoses and more room in the tight engine bay. From a heat perspective > the filter is rather thin and likely dissipates heat. The original setup > puts that heat into the engine bay. The other style adapter puts the heat > more in the airstream of cooler air moving under the car. The > disadvantages are having to get under the car to change the filter and > possible header/exhaust clearance. > > I found an adapter off a Ford van that not only had the 90 degree bend, > but the filter was also angled outward more into the airstream. Also, > because the adapter rotates around the center attachment bolt it allowed > the filter to follow the frame rail angle. The list won't take pictures, > but if I can find the image I'll send it separately. > > Tom > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Will Seay" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 9:51 AM > Subject: [Tigers] Remote Spin-on Adapter > > >>I have seen a number of Tigers with a remote oil filter adapter that >>doesn't >> require bending and manipulating oil hoses every time an oil filter is >> changed. >> The adapter is mounted at the front of the engine, replacing the OEM >> assembly. >> Hoses connect permanently to the adapter assembly and don't have to be >> messed >> with when a filter is removed or replaced. The filter just screws into >> the >> adapter (filter inverted from stock orientation) and hose connections >> don't have >> to be disturbed. Does anyone know who makes an adapter like this or >> where I can >> buy one? >> >> >> >> Thanks, Will - 382001570 >> >> >> >> Will Seay_____________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 12:38:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A6242462 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:38:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D1740528 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:37:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id buwF1k0061c6gX85FvcsV1; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:36:52 +0000 Received: from sz0112.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bvcs1k00c2ymm843jvcst9; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:36:52 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:36:52 +0000 (UTC) From: George Re To: ktisdale@ix.netcom.com s=q20121106; t=1355600212; bh=kFr9XmmUYYalRHRIrB9Bzj+Oa+evKTwRGxlSXXORmkg=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=fGk8DChHr0FHWzTcAZdt4g99HE6T78BRebvKG5zaxyXohAuKKHoYNtnzQzW5kS0dB P3OIPTpD5rBTAhonFn8oBN/aGU32l7iSl42DyVPRLJgEqF/LOCphziFCEQPq1ehsu0 S1zNI1cAQLwnmfriHk6V3taTBSZfysU9cYa4ITgaV0LmiIcOOXOGTLIVH55CdJZZ5Q H7jolfB3WFDz8ie21KxDQTexp+imJPJSbRQP8ht58R6AgyCB0e0bCsenwcXxRhD7CD p176/5iOsOZAqeTtumOKSvlGCKU0VzOdqZhFQuw0SOVxXE2edGNbnCX90h9JR/nPe3 xDHprN8rSN0QQ== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Alpine. Tiger, and Sunbeam Truetype fonts... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ken: Take a look at EBay item 390511532193 it is a Ford racing right angle adapter. I use it on my Tiger it is great. George Re ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Tisdale" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 12:11:44 PM Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Alpine. Tiger, and Sunbeam Truetype fonts... Anybody know where to find them? The ones I used to have have disappeared from my computer. Ken -- http://denvercustomsigns.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of ktisdale.vcf] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mgman71@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 16 14:40:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58084286F for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:40:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF9042816 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:40:24 -0700 (MST) c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1355693954; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=5XRSOrJSUauWqErurCXVZMUJIKk=; b=diLJFNgFsp71SK3thS15fDc/XIBmTM12d/1emjJMPh/x4Q0D61ExpLiOpWU8NIe9 0b3SuRVaV2wh7iezYl52xW61Giw6YJ1KNr37BObg+XSrAUnzr0Ik9yDAJHNeX3N/; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=spNdU7hVSxxSTa/SUdnwBQ==:17 a=cTCAWFhPi7MA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=VigmCQKiuuMA:10 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=sXfWPY4rr6snwB61_NoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=qR3sWZduL7Pujy2H:21 a=CcS21BYC-pw0_MvV:21 a=spNdU7hVSxxSTa/SUdnwBQ==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=wseay@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.48.134.95] ([71.48.134.95:22126] helo=xpseay) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPA id EE/19-05301-18F3EC05; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:39:14 -0500 From: "Will Seay" To: "'Thomas Witt'" , References: <000501cddaec$e23abe10$a6b03a30$@com> <2B7E045E3DB144668EBCCE83E05DAD66@student2> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:39:01 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac3a9NTCori6otZrTmCfaBvnofaoDQA4AZpg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Remote Spin-on Adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tom, My car has headers so I have ruled out the 90 deg. block adapter. Too bad, it would be a nice clean solution. Will Seay_____________ wseay@embarqmail.com -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 1:49 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Remote Spin-on Adapter Fram makes a number of remote oil filter adapters. A quick search of Google Images might help you find what you are looking for. Others have gone to the block style adapter. It has roughly a 90 degree configuration that is one piece (no hoses!). I see a number of advantages to the 90 degree adapter, some of which are no hoses and more room in the tight engine bay. From a heat perspective the filter is rather thin and likely dissipates heat. The original setup puts that heat into the engine bay. The other style adapter puts the heat more in the airstream of cooler air moving under the car. The disadvantages are having to get under the car to change the filter and possible header/exhaust clearance. I found an adapter off a Ford van that not only had the 90 degree bend, but the filter was also angled outward more into the airstream. Also, because the adapter rotates around the center attachment bolt it allowed the filter to follow the frame rail angle. The list won't take pictures, but if I can find the image I'll send it separately. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 16 14:52:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A37742885 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:52:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F6F94285A for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:51:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 15AD938000082; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mlb001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.143]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D84B2E000088; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:50:44 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:50:44 -0500 (EST) To: wseay@embarqmail.com, atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1355694645; bh=2U11OsSLh97tkWmPcg6wsnK4YPh1s40fvCbo2kf7UaI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H0BmVBrWFgrD1aN8G12G54auyutXSW5EamKUaWEA2oh1RV2beqjsza42BBHU73ABh vutppNgPsr0UBww6ubKy8Nb8We9exII7d96VXX1o4/q+CMLZFG+wiw9+hWQXqHdz7E 0gM+GuKNZlucEKv+8eqeVFrY39HDRVD1UZiJupCg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c50ce423413ff Subject: Re: [Tigers] Remote Spin-on Adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, will not fit with headers, but many headers allow for the stubby filter if you want to consider that route. M In a message dated 12/16/2012 4:39:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wseay@embarqmail.com writes: Tom, My car has headers so I have ruled out the 90 deg. block adapter. Too bad, it would be a nice clean solution. Will Seay_____________ wseay@embarqmail.com -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 1:49 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Remote Spin-on Adapter Fram makes a number of remote oil filter adapters. A quick search of Google Images might help you find what you are looking for. Others have gone to the block style adapter. It has roughly a 90 degree configuration that is one piece (no hoses!). I see a number of advantages to the 90 degree adapter, some of which are no hoses and more room in the tight engine bay. From a heat perspective the filter is rather thin and likely dissipates heat. The original setup puts that heat into the engine bay. The other style adapter puts the heat more in the airstream of cooler air moving under the car. The disadvantages are having to get under the car to change the filter and possible header/exhaust clearance. I found an adapter off a Ford van that not only had the 90 degree bend, but the filter was also angled outward more into the airstream. Also, because the adapter rotates around the center attachment bolt it allowed the filter to follow the frame rail angle. The list won't take pictures, but if I can find the image I'll send it separately. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 16 15:09:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BC3428B8 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 15:09:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 921B342852 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 15:09:34 -0700 (MST) c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1355695704; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=32WSvgd+Li11KlGg1ZdVoYUZnxk=; b=lqUM+JIdzJm5/GZ02Zm9I3HoZub29wOg71+5hvKgv1N6PZsBydm+gccWvwLhxp62 nqmgS7QhxH/yewLMp44dNx0Y35RT6trCl5Gp2Rmep0BIFGd4V/EcfplvR6bIjz01; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=spNdU7hVSxxSTa/SUdnwBQ==:17 a=cTCAWFhPi7MA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=VigmCQKiuuMA:10 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Q68oC8urAAAA:8 a=VhlPuAZ6AAAA:8 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=4lbG0c_VrytyPfGw07kA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=mUKQW53vcu0A:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=CyJou3m1qXC_DfS_:21 a=6FlOeyyGooh3oCcu:21 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=VKjrgPpawy7jEVM-7UIA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=X2fOUReXWbb1lJtv:21 a=rLRj_C_Td6xry0aR:21 a=5gbjR43p9U1xdb9x:21 a=spNdU7hVSxxSTa/SUdnwBQ==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=wseay@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.48.134.95] ([71.48.134.95:22140] helo=xpseay) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPA id BD/BE-21010-6564EC05; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:08:23 -0500 From: "Will Seay" To: "'Gary'" References: <1355596952.60955.YahooMailClassic@web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:08:10 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac3a8/N0VGQCmFw2TzuXQ8t1VGcc6wA4eILg Content-Language: en-us Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Remote Spin-on Adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Gary, Thanks for the information and the pictures. I'm pretty sure this is the setup that I've seen before. Too bad fellow listers can't see the pictures too. That Hayden block adapter looks nice, but I'm currently planning to use the stock block adapter and attach new hoses to it. I'm currently using a stock hose set that I have adapted to take new hoses so I know that I can just change hose length and end fittings to connect to a new adapter bracket and make it work. The Trans Dapt filter bracket looks about right for the job. Apparently Trans Dapt and almost everybody else uses a cast aluminum body for the bracket. The threaded fitting into the filter should be steel though. I wonder If I should be worrying about the threaded piece breaking off like Peter McDonald describes. A cast steel bracket would make for a bullet-proof design if I could find one. So far, the only bracket that comes close is one by WIX, and that one doesn't have the hose fittings on the bottom (top for the Tiger). Maybe somebody knows who makes a bracket in steel that would work. -Will From: Gary [mailto:maliburevue@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 1:43 PM To: Will Seay Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Remote Spin-on Adapter Will, I have done this setup on several Tigers and have seen it on others. The only concern I have with this setup is that the filter is may be empty right at startup. I poke a hole in the top of the filter prior to changing it to make sure it drains before removal. Hayden block adapter - #291. I found the block adapter by itself http://www.haydenauto.com/upload/HaydenAuto/Documents/Cat_Hayden/2007-hayden-tra ns-oil-coolers.pdf Perma Cool filter mount - #1211 (I think) http://shop.perma-cool.com/Single-Port-Oil-Filter-Mounts_c39.htm or Trans-Dapt 1028 http://compare.ebay.com/like/200807026258?_lwgsi=y <yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar IIRC I got the oil line at Pep Boys and picked up the brass fittings and clamps at Home Depot. Unfortunately for the List members the pictures will not come through. Gary _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 16 21:54:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD86240522 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:54:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F94240516 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:54:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from BucksLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.229.205]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MF500EMPS8W6310@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:53:21 -0600 (CST) From: "Buck Trippel" To: , , , References: <1d74.223e373a.3dff9c34@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:53:10 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Remote Spin-on Adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net You're correct that the 90 degree adaptors don't work with most headers. However they do work with the old JC Whitney style Tiger headers. We found a pretty good set years ago, spent a bunch on Cermacoating and put them on my wife's street Tiger along with a 90 degree adaptor. On my street Tiger I just run one of the small STP filters that spins directly onto the block. Either setup works fine. BT > Yes, will not fit with headers, but many headers allow for the stubby > filter if you want to consider that route. > M _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 17 10:17:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD8A40695 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:17:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0907040568 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:17:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2012 17:16:08 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.110] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2012 17:16:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2012 17:16:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 30840 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2012 17:15:35 -0000 s=s1024; t=1355764535; bh=GklHFNTiKNVycoRS3+H+2+ZzBnOlaecctDgkIttU4gg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NxxpZIcXesbSzX8GirzjIlVw1WNHCJWxE1shUoK1gNWsUEr7KlIxiHRk3e8UAPNY4ivKsNK8GywkphT6gjsgEU89LE4YYwQqa97FEStkF2SsRHberJ3k1wW35CIMFJEHb0SXMG9qSLfqxXhX+azVF4n07yjcOOXGLb1YtRNas/A= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iXqxgxMx2QYTrOq884simk+GXbAGhaat55U4B7Opn1+Ukjc8Wq16dlQ+AgrUxPElzxZT8Et37zrgs87MHmnJNF7RXzJQM+hPckvTHxYxULVZN1uWuggazr17/LMQUJofcVP+bTlmAmzzgoFSFlGFT55FVj8h7ELKorviRooNxpI=; h1uW5MqZxoESV4tZA0JN5dD0RVOtuhg8UZ02cfMsM5QrkUHNcfTTvW5cxAJd gymfMxWChI06UAVLsR5TkhPePLJ5g122w.0fsIAZenbBszJmehUD0qC6ztL3 Am0h8K34FBm4OolTRQQeb5EqVB5jdqWIC2oOQFk4z51j.EpGEQflF_SrILuo VzgvUguWxLA_VPOTyHmjXtkHMVyFXLFmzLRf13WptojtCrnYtoJYEJ_ZFjpc Zqe0xFTU0DwPKaoTaRJL81Ig3gBdNl86d0O2W.LeErIMBORw3DufpzWgZsEx j6QZ.OFziuZNzqcge0kJF5vYYWzMGjJ1zZZT2mmIVU0k1fuZjN7joB.8Bhsk ..W_EdYxj3yzo.A7u1bW8pI3A2t1dsn67m962g5peumgm74kKkCo4kY1KjuF AvRllNMEeSaIjqnx.__DlxxzaVKp0.GLQbBC1mmyIc4eQjlcNJdEQH6fLETz sXtki5cLG.73_AJLkP0LTyylh.KCS_S9AC.3.ez1LwW0ThMw3ou1v0LkZ5IU dJufXdznJugPYjgGg0giqw40YOHqGzP1t5hZX Received: from [71.80.161.49] by web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:15:35 PST SSBkb24ndCByZW1lYmVyIGlmIEkgcG9zdGVkIHRoaXMgYmVmb3JlIGJ1dCB0aGlzIGlzIHRoZSBhZGFwdGVyIHRoYXQgSSBoYXZlIGZvciAKbXkgdW5maW5pc2hlZCB0aWdlci4gSXQgaXMgdmVyeSB0aGluIGFzIGNvbXBhaXJlZCB0byB0aGUgYW5kIENhbnRvbiBGaWx0ZXIgCmFkYXB0ZXJzLiBJdCBoYXMgc21hbGxlciBwb3J0cyBhbmQgZml0dGluZ3MgYnV0IGlzIGEgd2VsbCBtYWRlIHBhcnQuIFRoZSBjb21wYW55IApuYW1lIG1ha2VzIGl0IGltcG9zc2libGUgdG8gZmluZCBieSBzZWFyY2hpbmcgc28gc2EBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:15:35 -0800 (PST) From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Adapters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I don't remeber if I posted this before but this is the adapter that I have for my unfinished tiger. It is very thin as compaired to the and Canton Filter adapters. It has smaller ports and fittings but is a well made part. The company name makes it impossible to find by searching so save the link ;) http://www.product-engr.com/Ford_oilAdapter.htm Sandy _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 17 10:48:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF3E40C02 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:48:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FB44040E for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:48:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id l8so2725120qaq.14 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:47:10 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=Rqvfk7A54MMD+F+YCdJIdKi67GqWTF212MCvm5vsBIY=; b=Z+aMgik5y+RAlRVqndLsF7eqMP+lq0ba9XMys3UWYCn+nPyNbhtd3ko6BTZIAsYnkc Qj6NN4778ZTwfC5KAkWNUG8KBhM7/fB2oEt1xZDZJps9qlNSp1CNNY0TvSFO2VcXWYjH eSKRrmfFukRF1vh7VboMcSidNko7KWBsZEt3s= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=Rqvfk7A54MMD+F+YCdJIdKi67GqWTF212MCvm5vsBIY=; b=W+BrISOFNlqgQ1Us5DQ4C/ymZLjSYdiKFuuxBGziwSjvsuU+iYV+pt5TPgrcidlUd4 cKf/23Z4F1o+DQNuxNPf71K2G0G04qMBhundjcI+c1dql6NJGVhNJt8e5XeyNk03JOcs 6FV9n5OTo+zST/PHGRK8onbnbQhMUe4I0eKQjG/Sl/JyXIlBm0t0Spy4MY/SF3suIF4o 6lgSMTsrMeP+CmxR3DPW57j+5Vza2CwT2A6Ub9/zA1eEmETJGtV0kNiQtVGwzW89RljF 4qP3fI7Wv8BsVRzeQBfHpZ/Yar1wuyqVple69x2jeOsikfscd7bdSXs8OpPsee5+G9I8 Ii2w== Received: by 10.229.173.142 with SMTP id p14mr1548960qcz.49.1355766430071; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:47:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from DavePC (DRMONS0505W-142134046112.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net. [142.134.46.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8sm2213766qeu.2.2012.12.17.09.47.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:47:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Dave Munroe" To: "Sandy Ganz" , References: <1355764535.18729.YahooMailRC@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:47:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Filter Adapters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Sandy: Those are unquestionably beautiful pieces. I'd be proud to have them in my engine bay. But lets start a discussion on what happens when you introduce a smaller orifice through which all the oil to the engine must flow. Does the pressure rise on the downstream side of the filter housing? Will this pressure rise be seen on the gauge? If the pressure rises, does the volume stay the same as without the restriction? Inquiring minds need to know...! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 1:15 PM Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Adapters >I don't remeber if I posted this before but this is the adapter that I have >for > my unfinished tiger. It is very thin as compaired to the and Canton Filter > adapters. It has smaller ports and fittings but is a well made part. The > company > name makes it impossible to find by searching so save the link ;) > > http://www.product-engr.com/Ford_oilAdapter.htm > > Sandy _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 17 11:04:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1022C40C02 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:04:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3368F40440 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:03:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail44-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.243) by VA3EHSOBE014.bigfish.com (10.7.40.64) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:02:36 +0000 Received: from mail44-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail44-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715C21A00AC for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:02:36 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail44-va3: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail44-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail44-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1355767354264689_18780; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:02:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS019.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.249]) by mail44-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066D5320058 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:02:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by VA3EHSMHS019.bigfish.com (10.7.99.29) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:02:31 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.180) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.328.9; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 12:02:39 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.3.116]) by OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.180]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 12:01:55 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Oil Filter Adapters Thread-Index: AQHN3Ho+6QIFvECRIEiF4nCzgdekl5gdRkVg Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:02:00 +0000 References: <1355764535.18729.YahooMailRC@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Filter Adapters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Those are similar (or the same) as the ones that Dale sells. I found that the large nut/bolt hex still interfered with the header tube on my Tiger... so I made yet another different adapter that has an internal mounting arrangement that still allows you to clock the adapter to any angle. I also machined the in/outlets at a 30 degree outboard angle so as to aim the hoses midway between the frame rail and the steering linkage. I can supply pictures of the installed thing if anyone wants... I originally bought enough material to make two or three of these adapters but stopped after getting the first one done. I did up partial CAD drawings on the http://www.emachineshop.com/ tools, but got hung up on the off-angle drill/thread operation required for the 30 degree kickout. Maybe their current toolset supports it better - I should check that out. Theo ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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(12.110.38.178) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2012 18:04:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:04:41 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <1355764535.18729.YahooMailRC@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Filter Adapters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sandy, nice piece at that. I used a Canton version, but, for some reason, it is considerably thinker and I wound up using the flapper wheel on it to customize it for the race car. To clear turbo exhaust pipes. But, as I look at this thing, do you think it could also be used on the top of the oil filter as well? I think the seals are the same, the only thing would be if the through bolt would screw into the filter itself rather than the block. Then the original filter mount/holder or what ever that thing is called,, could be used on a Tiger. Get two of them, on on the block one on the filter. Spendy at the price though, but, kinda elegant. Could then use spiffy stainless steel braid hose and nice AN fittings. Working on my home made dyno right now..during bouts of painful knee aggravations, that is. Going to be a water cooled Jag IRS differential with the inboard brakes. Most parts are in hand so actual fab work will begin after the first. ciao, mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 12/17/2012 9:15 AM, Sandy Ganz wrote: > I don't remeber if I posted this before but this is the adapter that I have for > my unfinished tiger. It is very thin as compaired to the and Canton Filter > adapters. It has smaller ports and fittings but is a well made part. The company > name makes it impossible to find by searching so save the link ;) > > http://www.product-engr.com/Ford_oilAdapter.htm > > Sandy _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 17 13:15:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CF742462 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:15:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B1D40E83 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2012 20:13:46 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.125] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2012 20:13:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2012 20:13:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 29340 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2012 20:13:45 -0000 s=s1024; t=1355775225; bh=2keh7IVoqNN+wJOxfJYIzKXnMrBg0QxwOoruxSlOmOw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dqcdxwgv9KEebNU3taKwsQkvZKWfH1qhj/zRR79S/VUArut+dLY/yJjIlqwToArFaMJscCO217kCGfKBOW6kU86/b1OLjNe6Fw8sHHtZm/ZHbt6xStMWb8EDfV/EDmGZMuVVVTb1yCIs2Jnzh/xPSN1OZwt3sdvSJT70xbRfEQ8= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0q5skypnak1TrIIzZ9wjRRIA+JxlR7jxFy9sXZWGHIxfgJpIepwRPCclaJmG7VVctHO9CBVN9C4zvRKUlLrLs+EzHUTqyJstOU1a3U+yKmZS7ud9Q0YOgLQE2z5ofmdGXBPktxg+EEDq9gFbXpCoqo1C5eWCqE91S4TnTu1XCnw=; Ld85qPRgIjuibP5OXKlow9LPy5ZFF_gGJy5WL_1YTR4MzAtDHgGXJ5g2Bn3j YDS7OPjSFtj8Y8pxF.whYEPpoG2XHIfHbPAHijx2d8jh_twALRK1P9.7NqY6 5TliQSbvMSVWwupNFhLF5ROiLI17k6kCLzPCLJX_SfPsRcnwrskrFWRXIvlM GD.OFeQCaGDdurMgIPlyQ2VH_t8Zw6ul0QpL8Hwn_eCLZ4_wSa2UOGDK0CID Dj2Twbp1tRG68olVAqFfmReHgjOVyRtPiX2E9kk_Td_qGLPclbI2b2FYghmh i2fyzSy8SaTf2kINhbfiFru7UhZhTSogOmapT_3Vc8W0PBiWJmslCREC_MGy zNOwp39B46uL5Fu9P33RBxRu49AkITN.a6aIRDgSaUUNkb4j7PdKnlQdjkp5 l9CuQiA6YTFn2ez2l8rZ6ooU8ezrKco.DiPSuSGOKLamv3MSY0nh_flWFFlF vMGxlkKO58R7z53kYL4Imc_b1X5G0VNwxMEQIdX0YHQy8HBaKNKckpaCXzkG qh_LMoiqvvVd1orMK_G4N4d_ZLb1iFgDIbqcuzyODyDLCGE.kr2JgcEwV7PU .lkv1YSQ6crhkF40CGMuMNtJfx5knSyA- Received: from [71.80.161.49] by web184405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 12:13:45 PST SSBkb24ndCB0aGluayBpdCB3b3VsZCB3b3JrIG9uIG9uIHRoZSB0b3Agb2YgdGhlIGZpbHRlciBzaW5jZSB0aGUgYWRhcHRlciBpcyAKZ3JvdmVkIGZvciB0aGUgc3F1YXJlIG9yaW5nIGFuZCBub3Qgc3VyZSBpZiBpdCB3b3VsZCBhbGlnbiB3aGVyZSB0aGUgZmlsdGVycyAKcmluZyB3b3VsZCBiZS4gCgoKVGhlIENhbnRvbiB2ZXJzaW9uIGlzIGJldHRlciB0aGVuIHRoZSBQcm9kdWN0IEVuZ2luZWVyaW5nIHZlcnNpb24gYXMgaXQgc3VwcG9ydCAKbXVjaCBsYXJnZXIgcGFzc2FnZXMgYW5kIHBvcnRzIGF0IHQBMAEBAQE- References: <1355764535.18729.YahooMailRC@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CF5EB9.1050706@mayfco.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 12:13:45 -0800 (PST) From: Sandy Ganz To: drmayf@mayfco.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Filter Adapters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I don't think it would work on on the top of the filter since the adapter is groved for the square oring and not sure if it would align where the filters ring would be. The Canton version is better then the Product Engineering version as it support much larger passages and ports at the cost of being a thicket unit. I run -12's on the Mustang with the Canton. The PE version is for -8 or -10's. Flow questions from Dave - I think anything is better then the stock Tiger system. The lines and fitting are -8 and are the main concern for oil flow (stock hydraulic lines from the look of them) . I think the SBF Oil sender is after the filter but not 100% but I recall the pump outlet goes directly to the filter so not sure if this would show an increase in pressure or if it would make much difference on a stock oil pump. Would have to look at a oil system schematic to know. But the bottom line is that the adapter would likely work better in all accounts due to the ability to use larger and higher flowing lines which I think is more of a restriction. I also am not a fan of the short filter due to smaller element and potental for bypassing sooner due to clogged element and reduced surface area, but I guess they could be fine with regular maintenance. All this being said the filter system on the stock Tiger is likely just fine, I'm more concerned with his related to higher performance engines. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Larry Mayfield To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, December 17, 2012 10:06:57 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Filter Adapters Sandy, nice piece at that. I used a Canton version, but, for some reason, it is considerably thinker and I wound up using the flapper wheel on it to customize it for the race car. To clear turbo exhaust pipes. But, as I look at this thing, do you think it could also be used on the top of the oil filter as well? I think the seals are the same, the only thing would be if the through bolt would screw into the filter itself rather than the block. Then the original filter mount/holder or what ever that thing is called,, could be used on a Tiger. Get two of them, on on the block one on the filter. Spendy at the price though, but, kinda elegant. Could then use spiffy stainless steel braid hose and nice AN fittings. Working on my home made dyno right now..during bouts of painful knee aggravations, that is. Going to be a water cooled Jag IRS differential with the inboard brakes. Most parts are in hand so actual fab work will begin after the first. ciao, mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 12/17/2012 9:15 AM, Sandy Ganz wrote: > I don't remeber if I posted this before but this is the adapter that I have for > my unfinished tiger. It is very thin as compaired to the and Canton Filter > adapters. It has smaller ports and fittings but is a well made part. The >company > name makes it impossible to find by searching so save the link ;) > > http://www.product-engr.com/Ford_oilAdapter.htm > > Sandy _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 19 15:27:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D168A4041D for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:27:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456A5403FA for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:24:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DBB791C00012B for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:22:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mte003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mte003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.73]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B5778E000085; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:22:40 -0500 (EST) From: MACHWIL@aol.com Full-name: MACHWIL Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:22:40 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net, machwil@aol.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1355955760; bh=tSBzQwb2VcCTqAwwGNVC8f25hbNF20afBsoOqMnefIM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=onwG6zDoIa7WXHdLHLqSvjTcTI8JAR1cfDqoVdtHB9XLGlJieQsDP1S5/PecddZkz 40qKANbR5WOVGoLxkkOw9vQNp3ATfIky2PyV986IUxr/OSSYPhdnVJK4VDiBptUjqg Tc5dYepYn9XV7YDB/aeUYTbqhQtmigej88adyUZE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c850d23e30493f Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Test, no reply necessary _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 19 18:14:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D146640519 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:14:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from wh-qmail04.webhero.com (wh-qmail04.webhero.com [209.217.42.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5B940412 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:10:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 32094 invoked by uid 10000); 20 Dec 2012 01:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO HPLaptop) (70.174.45.144) by wh-qmail04.webhero.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2012 01:09:18 -0000 From: To: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:09:04 -0500 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac3eTpqfI907dAD9RwGzIFI0v/fSbw== Subject: [Tigers] Removing frozen pistons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I am disassembling a 289 but have two pistons that I can't get to slide out. I thought my fellow Tiger experts might give a few suggestions on the best way to "nudge" them loose. Here's what I've done so far. I had a few others that didn't want to move so I sprayed PB Blaster on top of all piston edges and let sit. Then the next day I flipped the engine over and sprayed PB Blaster between all cylinder walls and piston skirts and let sit for a day. On third day, with connecting rod caps off, I used a heavy screwdriver and hammer to tap the connecting rod at the cap mating surface to ease the piston out. I took great care to protect the crank surfaces from damage. This worked well but when slipping the caps back onto connecting rods after removal, I found that one cap wouldn't slip back onto the connecting rod. Hopefully just a bent bolt but I want to make sure that the rods don't get messed up. I'm still working on the front balancer bolt with PB Blaster and my impact wrench for removal. Any suggestions for the two pistons still not moving? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 19 18:44:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4AA40510 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:44:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from wh-qmail04.webhero.com (wh-qmail04.webhero.com [209.217.42.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7A440412 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:43:33 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 11103 invoked by uid 10000); 20 Dec 2012 01:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO HPLaptop) (70.174.45.144) by wh-qmail04.webhero.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2012 01:42:10 -0000 From: To: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:41:54 -0500 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac3eUzBq8qBWtApTQMeA4oFwS2eQ8w== Subject: [Tigers] "Powered by Ford" medallion restoration. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I've tried several ways to restore or replace the "260" medallions with no satisfactory results until yesterday. I wasn't happy with available new units because all I found were flat units with the text silkscreened(?).. They just looked flat and metallic instead of mirror like. Yesterday I tried doing the original medallion text recesses with Spaz Stix #10000 Ultimate Mirror Chrome, Air Brush Paint. It came from Amazon and cost $12.49 for a 2 oz bottle. For simplicity, the Mirror Chrome paint was brush applied to the text recesses using two coats. Much to my delight, the mirror effect was identical to the original mirror finish. I didn't take care to protect the flat surfaces, just liberally applied the Mirror Chrome Paint. After completely drying, the normally black flat surface was sanded off using 1200 grit wet/dry paper until completely clear. Then a coat of Rustoleum Gloss Black plastic paint was aerosol applied as the backing. The first medallion looks very good, almost like brand new. I'm working on the second medallion now taking greater care and with more detail and expect it to look like brand new. I have no idea how durable this process will be under severe weather conditions, but the first medallion looks very good right now. I can email a photo to anyone interested if you send an email address. Does anyone out there have a better idea or suggestion. Let us know, I'm sure there are plenty of shabby looking medallions just waiting for restoration. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 19 18:50:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EFC40435 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:50:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com (mail-la0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8573840447 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:50:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id z14so2053335lag.2 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:48:42 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=jpAMO3cJCShFn8xT1hhwinpRsvwG8uxY4tdCz21X8f8=; b=a1LCEfZY4viVfsiynCWElYsK3mz9J9sZilAsK8hb6YJc5bMGlajVBrAWtBRB8k0eke 8BoPyvy5xyKPjvsOWFnyriuL4gCwqOjBZGlrH/iB5ZZeS5xCN1WjXYWz+tzrbSgXEDoA 4rbd+pz4uWoxDQmTg3c5bXFmXGpe+XzP5X0mvrzwXjSihgPGjrYhce+sIN4eG+fCZ7Ed cjSoryYxyosEM2zUEeazK4lf7Ig2B7U7D39oXaSugJQ4G5eRJ7EbjGn+hcvFZFsBlvsX dTfCzd4T5rqgOqBms5W05cmsmKt2YP1bbgtzA+XfQPbwYtgvSOTf1jmVT6TVnoGBR/v3 26uw== Received: by 10.112.82.166 with SMTP id j6mr3172216lby.25.1355968121830; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:48:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.82.163 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:48:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.82.163 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:48:41 -0800 (PST) References: <019c01cdde4e$9b69f400$d23ddc00$@com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:48:41 -0500 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: johnp@ciseast.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Removing frozen pistons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net 50/50 mix of acetone and ATF from the topside, let it pool about an inch deep and sit overnight. Next day, it's 2x4 cut to fit bore size and big a$$ rubber hammer time. If that doesn't work, you can try heating the cylinder walls with a propane torch ( while trying to keep the piston cool ) thus allowing the walls to expand a tiny bit while piston remains the same size and bang on it some more. Good Luck Michael Shortt On Dec 19, 2012 8:13 PM, wrote: > I am disassembling a 289 but have two pistons that I can't get to slide > out. > I thought my fellow Tiger experts might give a few suggestions on the best > way to "nudge" them loose. > > Here's what I've done so far. I had a few others that didn't want to move > so I sprayed PB Blaster on top of all piston edges and let sit. Then the > next day I flipped the engine over and sprayed PB Blaster between all > cylinder walls and piston skirts and let sit for a day. On third day, with > connecting rod caps off, I used a heavy screwdriver and hammer to tap the > connecting rod at the cap mating surface to ease the piston out. I took > great care to protect the crank surfaces from damage. This worked well but > when slipping the caps back onto connecting rods after removal, I found > that > one cap wouldn't slip back onto the connecting rod. Hopefully just a bent > bolt but I want to make sure that the rods don't get messed up. I'm still > working on the front balancer bolt with PB Blaster and my impact wrench for > removal. Any suggestions for the two pistons still not moving? > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 19 20:36:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF8140519 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:36:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B62F40423 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:36:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail259-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.239) by VA3EHSOBE002.bigfish.com (10.7.40.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 03:35:03 +0000 Received: from mail259-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail259-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AED5C0233; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 03:35:03 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail259-va3: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail259-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail259-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1355974501627105_14831; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 03:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS023.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.244]) by mail259-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8211B80079; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 03:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by VA3EHSMHS023.bigfish.com (10.7.99.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 03:34:54 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.220) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.328.9; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 21:34:48 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.3.116]) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.181]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 21:34:52 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "johnp@ciseast.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Removing frozen pistons Thread-Index: Ac3eTpqfI907dAD9RwGzIFI0v/fSbwAEpwNg Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 03:34:21 +0000 References: <019c01cdde4e$9b69f400$d23ddc00$@com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Removing frozen pistons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi John, You shouldn't go banging on the rods with a screwdriver... that will mark up the surface of the rod, and there is pretty much no place on a connecting rod where that is okay. On the one that didn't go back together, if you didn't hit the cap bolt and it came apart without problems, then you've almost certainly bent the rod. The only way that it's even remotely safe to hit the rods to try and get the pistons out, is to use a block of wood or maybe a brass drift, and hit it on the bearing surface (leave the old bearing in, you're replacing that anyway) directly in line with the beam of the rod. This would probably require removal of the crank in the first place. As was suggested, ATF and acetone is a powerful rust penetrant. When you do get everything all apart, send your rods to the machine shop and have them all checked for straightness and squareness and then resized on the big end. Years ago I had to remove frozen pistons from a block... it took a lot of penetrating oil and other lubricants, plus some pounding back and forth (going down first is likely more effective at getting things unstuck - then you can try to budge them out as a second step). I don't think I reused any of the reciprocating parts afterwards. If you do whack the pistons to the bottom of the bore, you can then go into the bore with a glaze breaker hone and clean out the worst of the rust before trying to move the pistons outward. Good luck, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of johnp@ciseast.com > Sent: December 19, 2012 6:09 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Removing frozen pistons > > I am disassembling a 289 but have two pistons that I can't get to slide > out. ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 20 05:58:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05A640454 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 05:58:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6091A403A6 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 05:58:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id fo13so3664441vcb.35 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 04:56:49 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:message-id:from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject :date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=q9F2FeXd9M+rjpzCrR8qhZEZUsAPPIX/FCooHSeq/KA=; b=Pjt37vrlHRahttG7J//FpCVB/5kT7tlrevZhyhVR91GITLju0+KwG8khcfxscm1FeI ZavJQNlKd2EWjeS6YgatFtjC7+oYJpRqNDYLjrsyv449m/jkEEb0emTtkI1w1OhHCQNS 1ixQi2CrPm22qfbbKqHleIHIINjsXVme8i5Xw= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject :date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=q9F2FeXd9M+rjpzCrR8qhZEZUsAPPIX/FCooHSeq/KA=; b=I5QMlEnJZQkgqgbW8Peh6tcKMPQw7RcHNPljHQWhoy26p0iDbIJKjOllfhkeE3xA2v 2yU87ZkwxHaNZeVd/BU6ENwT2yGfDKO6rJlZlurXcSz4HU1LTkKX4j75JeyJZneHx1XF s5Sr/kJtI3T2DqjCn7LoOhLdClqY/iHLhRRlx+NmTc6cQ1dcKY1zBxmBjsIOBkfUiffL GQyDijKqIENszr1K05a8EsQ+HmDswA4doQabpXMVnpvpGuFgJtOpSjQ5YN8eZau+Z8P4 /ecFLW1qlzcK4zHPznZUI5/OZbS9e0w67T+DY8TicszcdIFS0fF/3P9BqeKacPcuCLgS DCvg== cs6mr14242082ved.60.1356008208755; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 04:56:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from DavePC (DRMONS0505W-142134046112.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net. [142.134.46.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cv19sm6963254vdb.5.2012.12.20.04.56.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 20 Dec 2012 04:56:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Dave Munroe" To: References: <019c01cdde4e$9b69f400$d23ddc00$@com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:56:46 -0400 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Removing frozen pistons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net John: If I understand correctly that you were beating on the rod cap mating surface with a hammer and screwdriver, I don't think that's a good idea. I would use a large piece of wood as suggested by Mike, cut to fit the top of the piston. Rotate the crank off the rod, put a rag between it and the crank journal, and beat on the top of the piston until it breaks loose. (after soaking it in the acetone/ATF mix of course). If you can't beat the piston all the way out because of rod/crank interference (can't remember), once the piston rings are broken loose, use a wooden drift, a dowel or old broom handle shaved to get to the underside of the piston head and beat it out through the top. Shouldn't mess with the rod cap surfaces unless you are going to replace them. Hard rubber or dead-blow hammers are good if there is little resistance to movement once broken loose. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Removing frozen pistons > 50/50 mix of acetone and ATF from the topside, let it pool about an inch > deep and sit overnight. > Next day, it's 2x4 cut to fit bore size and big a$$ rubber hammer time. > > If that doesn't work, you can try heating the cylinder walls with a > propane > torch ( while trying to keep the piston cool ) thus allowing the walls to > expand a tiny bit while piston remains the same size and bang on it some > more. > > Good Luck > > Michael Shortt > On Dec 19, 2012 8:13 PM, wrote: > >> I am disassembling a 289 but have two pistons that I can't get to slide >> out. >> I thought my fellow Tiger experts might give a few suggestions on the >> best >> way to "nudge" them loose. >> >> Here's what I've done so far. I had a few others that didn't want to >> move >> so I sprayed PB Blaster on top of all piston edges and let sit. Then the >> next day I flipped the engine over and sprayed PB Blaster between all >> cylinder walls and piston skirts and let sit for a day. On third day, >> with >> connecting rod caps off, I used a heavy screwdriver and hammer to tap the >> connecting rod at the cap mating surface to ease the piston out. I took >> great care to protect the crank surfaces from damage. This worked well >> but >> when slipping the caps back onto connecting rods after removal, I found >> that >> one cap wouldn't slip back onto the connecting rod. Hopefully just a >> bent >> bolt but I want to make sure that the rods don't get messed up. I'm >> still >> working on the front balancer bolt with PB Blaster and my impact wrench >> for >> removal. Any suggestions for the two pistons still not moving? >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 20 06:01:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E4D40535 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 06:01:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24FE403A6 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 06:01:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2012 13:00:05 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.109] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2012 13:00:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2012 13:00:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 34168 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2012 13:00:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356008404; bh=Qmx6uVhFXSsLiFSKoZ/0uOrK/LkzchpoCI+JXXwmQko=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lpfO7cdkaDicvXD59mkzImfW/l61zIG7DdwW5P2ofUYobBl322yNLaLwkQu0Dj2gTtTWZGiIHWDpFkUFvAft4kr0rM9yLD7CZiC3vV2H7mRrgj+IPM9dvcwonvWU1qYhy2ihQwjLX7gw3HH/NYaDH78xyMOTK5wSoyBdPI4thfQ= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XyUsLH16+UG9HwP00d4F2t9ymnnVLF3LLmmT1o9AXQsF1z1ctSzvmt7Y9qD9GpfFz644V3uO5+7u1EAFbUUKgl0seOVcXaclPjThFM+ULJmLHI/wpS/id9+eDGRow4H0DJo3gOe9V7W9GTC+/BcgzqCuO9AzB82NeXjOS8XmzFw=; n269yAwfUKysBxYY4YqRIlaPfe9nG0aDGZXoUHsNn30kXHS1SONodwfiXSnR lI6GuuIijNFgVtuU.93CUyaXT23Qqh26eH7NmsjJbVwKKSdP3WaxVvTIWuGz zZg5edJHmToYenfLs5jVQd4.5EQM0M7my.9omwuJ4FyhyZAPq8T0JFMTijjn LX38Xu7GhxVNoH_4tvrx46tU17hyFXaUG2B741D4ZZmvVSD1acVOChFr0Wsj 1449FUocFZyJcaCxJm6AP1jdj83uW47sbXezuo0_d3kVLi776oOLfmsccti7 uMmRj3cBLA2HCBpcffOHFTqzsz5hEKcOE38INaz6fpGsdQwDz45BVd6iQNd1 doYlLdssG646z_6rpGAVfJR7NAJd5xmDwQN0yaoynIr8slM6XRGiaF_jVVqn sluELLb6xgrTofSx_Yhq791QvK_JpqsuxXnjZ5Cu7pF3EUT4ctRjN3bLOLBK aznosYtxKJwjd0_xkQdB_Yx9TO1cijEC___23gH8NY.D5iLQA6i7f2JmlR5i llWQGsVOTYmsJe0C5Tx463w-- Received: from [184.21.37.243] by web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 05:00:04 PST VGhlIHRlY2huaXF1ZSBpwqAgdXNlIHRvIHJlbW92ZSBzdHVjayBwaXN0b25zIGlzIFdheG95bCBkaWx1dGVkIHdpdGggd2hpdGUgc3Bpcml0c8KgIGFzIHBlbmV0cmF0ZSBsdWJyaWNhbnTCoCBmb2xsb3dlZCBieSBhIHBuZXVtYXRpYyBjdXR0aW5nIHRvb2wgaW1wYWN0aW5nIGHCoCBueWxvbiBibG9jayBzaGllbGQuIFRoaXMgb2YgY291cnNlIGFmdGVyIHJlbW92YWwgb2YgY3JhbmtzaGFmdC7CoCBibG9jayBvbiBiZW5jaC7CoMKgwqAgR2FyeSBNb29yZSBCOTQ3MjI4MyB0YWMzMTENCg0KLS0tIE9uIFRodSwBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 05:00:04 -0800 (PST) From: arado7@sbcglobal.net To: TheoSmit Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Removing frozen pistons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The technique i use to remove stuck pistons is Waxoyl diluted with white spirits as penetrate lubricant followed by a pneumatic cutting tool impacting a nylon block shield. This of course after removal of crankshaft. block on bench. Gary Moore B9472283 tac311 --- On Thu, 12/20/12, Smit, Theo wrote: From: Smit, Theo Subject: Re: [Tigers] Removing frozen pistons To: "johnp@ciseast.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thursday, December 20, 2012, 3:34 AM Hi John, You shouldn't go banging on the rods with a screwdriver... that will mark up the surface of the rod, and there is pretty much no place on a connecting rod where that is okay. On the one that didn't go back together, if you didn't hit the cap bolt and it came apart without problems, then you've almost certainly bent the rod. The only way that it's even remotely safe to hit the rods to try and get the pistons out, is to use a block of wood or maybe a brass drift, and hit it on the bearing surface (leave the old bearing in, you're replacing that anyway) directly in line with the beam of the rod. This would probably require removal of the crank in the first place. As was suggested, ATF and acetone is a powerful rust penetrant. When you do get everything all apart, send your rods to the machine shop and have them all checked for straightness and squareness and then resized on the big end. Years ago I had to remove frozen pistons from a block... it took a lot of penetrating oil and other lubricants, plus some pounding back and forth (going down first is likely more effective at getting things unstuck - then you can try to budge them out as a second step). I don't think I reused any of the reciprocating parts afterwards. If you do whack the pistons to the bottom of the bore, you can then go into the bore with a glaze breaker hone and clean out the worst of the rust before trying to move the pistons outward. Good luck, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of johnp@ciseast.com > Sent: December 19, 2012 6:09 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Removing frozen pistons > > I am disassembling a 289 but have two pistons that I can't get to slide > out. ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 20 10:46:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F5E4053D for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:46:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com (mail-la0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0E940433 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:45:56 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id p5so3472360lag.33 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:44:27 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=XIjkX7/gmZNn0sPiZWP5Mwp+2npzhaVmWvJElJiD9Jc=; b=FqcEJZmSx16fr6993cIpwM8PvWAj+ofUbFxpHxFo8Z+E/17+h+i1w5bZkFBAWL1BCr KEXzDl9j2A3xaF85JSzVl0mkAIWzfizaAXj5HNKLmLRQLI+uotO2a55WYSoXQlpEMtoA HoN7hen99kvtHBA4HWz6pmo8DSHu7P3FnQdytIxIJsRPac29AiYJzs1aVBM/6AFOE3jt IVQOv2KD8ZXkT9r42fIEjD6HEwDJ36cvj8mpfv6dm71MxUsLAwov3F7WIJz43vcAOHaS FlgTz4KLhbocJMaRXXUUxnEbcPj55+Qv4CHTsLlxrw/jKfeq6ynHsjdMENJ0pyZnPfM6 427w== Received: by 10.112.82.166 with SMTP id j6mr4202184lby.25.1356025466865; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:44:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.82.163 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:44:05 -0800 (PST) From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 12:44:05 -0500 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Scale Models Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Link through Autoweek article today. sorry I can't share the photo. Michael Shortt *Automodello* *Get Smart* fans will recognize this 1/43-scale 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Mark 1. Following the startling success of the Ford 289 V8-powered Shelby-designed Cobras , the folks at Rootes Group, manufacturers of the 1959 Sunbeam Alpine got the bug. They reached out to Carroll Shelby to work his magic on their handsome little car. Shelby designed and built the prototype, and the result was a fun little sporty car with wire wheels, whitewalls and four cylinders in Tiger form. The Automodello image replicates, in 1/43 resin, the Mark 1 version introduced in 1965. The car comes in red or British Racing green ($135), and features a removable hardtop. Fans of the '60s TV show Get Smart will recognize the red Tiger as Maxwell Smart's ride of choice. ($95, www.automodello.com) Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20121219/carnews01/121219886#ixzz2FcCc3HYP -- Michael L. 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Thank you _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 20 10:48:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26EFF40552 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:48:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f170.google.com (mail-ie0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CB440519 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:48:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id k10so5029053iea.1 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:47:24 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=AQL+6uyYSrVVbTvoqcGrNat9Ao6a+QYeGDX4YdBxsTk=; b=fKbOtoZehqmXve95rr8ZzUoNq9GyIxQAbJ1DA8F5Iicw6UTeNHL+LVWqerI1hNBH6d 3O86YcoHKbaxK5sDKn0hqXRAhZ5TJtEU+BOW8IblKF7lJ+Rfs33nuWegefrGx32wwEC+ vXa/1B8Terk/ZDO3d56xaguGWe0fS8jPhABOeT9+IU4wMzyg2hwxXiCCxRx/+CEk0Q+s OGUR6E6IJPjKsIO0qm4tlpK9Rl7Raxwd1b5y2g9qK7cmoeyHrhv1pi+9DK1K0jqBnW9A 5+ZmGTC/kimJ/6NcWRI7/GP1PDG9cDWJQg/DBOyZhuBfIHyCCxJHVjlQPkhFqErPOfjV IA0w== Received: by 10.50.187.225 with SMTP id fv1mr6359597igc.96.1356025644367; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:47:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.165.8 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:47:24 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 12:47:24 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Scale Models Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I ordered it when they announced it last year and it was delivered a few months ago. Very nice quality piece. On Thursday, December 20, 2012, michael@michaelshortt.com wrote: > Link through Autoweek article today. sorry I can't share the photo. > > Michael Shortt > > *Automodello* > *Get Smart* fans will recognize this 1/43-scale 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Mark 1. > > > > Following the startling success of the Ford 289 V8-powered Shelby-designed > Cobras , the > folks > > at Rootes Group, manufacturers of the 1959 Sunbeam Alpine got the bug. > > They reached out to Carroll Shelby to work his magic on their handsome > little car. Shelby designed > > and built the prototype, and the result was a fun little sporty car with > wire wheels, whitewalls and four cylinders in Tiger form. > > The Automodello image replicates, in 1/43 resin, the Mark 1 version > introduced in 1965. The car comes in red or British > > Racing green ($135), and features a removable hardtop. Fans of the '60s TV > show Get Smart will recognize the > > red Tiger as Maxwell Smart's ride of > choice. > ($95, www.automodello.com) > > > Read more: > http://www.autoweek.com/article/20121219/carnews01/121219886#ixzz2FcCc3HYP > > -- > > > > > > > > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael@michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 20 10:53:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2942140553 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:53:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-da0-f51.google.com (mail-da0-f51.google.com [209.85.210.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E4340519 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:53:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-da0-f51.google.com with SMTP id i30so1641762dad.10 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:51:51 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=P9KQQy879v/4F4oSaFsh4YYkxaqGfu7hAcfDaIf9jwY=; b=VhZMN0G0mEeT/MuuWDhibsazc8O8cj2zA+clo1SLgM2r6+kRPIcUYq5KiyY8sZEhyc q+A+4DmEGQNf95V4ObMzTOlWT7KC/oZzJakG9Z8Fz5Apg2wJEioqFcyEh8yXU3O8VZsb egUD81P1Ep5EexOZnxtNCK2g06PsLiD/Nrc5LaSEYQgV7UVQCj66R72etvgeVywcTSld NPXExGTEr/vaqYDVEqJVr7mxOCV1re57iU3/t3gIsWWagFlcCglFtxLsYsWoNWLquCGz IVXy/Z7TCIiioHE+wU9u4ZacQUeuFFmb4fbUd5ihyAWEdqQUo/ZN4tMXmZ5H9h6jTOyS dMuQ== Received: by 10.68.197.8 with SMTP id iq8mr31663947pbc.56.1356025910701; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:51:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.131.2 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:51:50 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:51:50 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: michael@michaelshortt.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Scale Models Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Here is a link to the model: http://www.automodello.com/sunbeamtiger.htm On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 9:44 AM, michael@michaelshortt.com < michaelsavga@gmail.com> wrote: > Link through Autoweek article today. sorry I can't share the photo. > > Michael Shortt > > *Automodello* > *Get Smart* fans will recognize this 1/43-scale 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Mark 1. > > > > Following the startling success of the Ford 289 V8-powered Shelby-designed > Cobras , the > folks > > at Rootes Group, manufacturers of the 1959 Sunbeam Alpine got the bug. > > They reached out to Carroll Shelby to work his magic on their handsome > little car. Shelby designed > > and built the prototype, and the result was a fun little sporty car with > wire wheels, whitewalls and four cylinders in Tiger form. > > The Automodello image replicates, in 1/43 resin, the Mark 1 version > introduced in 1965. The car comes in red or British > > Racing green ($135), and features a removable hardtop. Fans of the '60s TV > show Get Smart will recognize the > > red Tiger as Maxwell Smart's ride of > choice. > ($95, www.automodello.com) > > > Read more: > http://www.autoweek.com/article/20121219/carnews01/121219886#ixzz2FcCc3HYP > > -- > > > > > > > > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael@michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 20 15:51:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD60240553 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:51:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0032.b.hostedemail.com [64.98.42.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E55F40533 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:51:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay04.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D48C6D2044; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from RedBudAdminPC (unknown [72.168.166.134]) (Authenticated sender: jimmc13@hughes.net) by omf12.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:50:08 +0000 (UTC) From: "Jim" To: , References: <01a101cdde53$3194ce60$94be6b20$@com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:50:08 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3eUzBq8qBWtApTQMeA4oFwS2eQ8wArtVKw Subject: Re: [Tigers] "Powered by Ford" medallion restoration. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net John/Listers; I have been researching the issue of restoring the motif badges for Tigers/Alpines. The original motif badges were chromed using a flash chrome process that is still used by some chrome platers at this time. After the flash chrome is complete, the backing is covered with gloss black enamel. One thing not done is to coat the back of the motif badge with the gray silver over coating to protect the backing and the car. My search efforts resulted in using the following restorer: Instrument Specialties, Inc. 65 Foliage Drive N. Kingstown, RI 02852 401.267.0055 http://www.instrument-specialties.com/ I had 4 motif badges restored, 3 "Sunbeam 260" for my car and one "Powered by Ford 260" to see how it would come out. It took just over seven months to complete. The 3 Sunbeam motifs look great and the one Powered look pretty good. The process was expensive. The motifs need to have the deep cut lettering in order for flash chrome to work according to the personnel that did the work. I also sent some repopped motifs, they would not flash chrome. Two last thoughts, I still need to provide the final back coat as this was not done and may not need to be done AND flash chroming 4 motifs cost $390.00 and took some time. My Tiger restorer told me they look like new as seen in the BON. Let me know off line if you want pictures, I can e-mail separately from the list. Jim McLaughlin B382000175 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of johnp@ciseast.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:42 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] "Powered by Ford" medallion restoration. I've tried several ways to restore or replace the "260" medallions with no satisfactory results until yesterday. I wasn't happy with available new units because all I found were flat units with the text silkscreened(?).. They just looked flat and metallic instead of mirror like. Yesterday I tried doing the original medallion text recesses with Spaz Stix #10000 Ultimate Mirror Chrome, Air Brush Paint. It came from Amazon and cost $12.49 for a 2 oz bottle. For simplicity, the Mirror Chrome paint was brush applied to the text recesses using two coats. Much to my delight, the mirror effect was identical to the original mirror finish. I didn't take care to protect the flat surfaces, just liberally applied the Mirror Chrome Paint. After completely drying, the normally black flat surface was sanded off using 1200 grit wet/dry paper until completely clear. Then a coat of Rustoleum Gloss Black plastic paint was aerosol applied as the backing. The first medallion looks very good, almost like brand new. I'm working on the second medallion now taking greater care and with more detail and expect it to look like brand new. I have no idea how durable this process will be under severe weather conditions, but the first medallion looks very good right now. I can email a photo to anyone interested if you send an email address. Does anyone out there have a better idea or suggestion. Let us know, I'm sure there are plenty of shabby looking medallions just waiting for restoration. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimmc13@hughes.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 20 16:07:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F9D40557 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:07:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co9outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co9ehsobe003.messaging.microsoft.com [207.46.163.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371EA40540 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:07:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail108-co9-R.bigfish.com (10.236.132.245) by CO9EHSOBE019.bigfish.com (10.236.130.82) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:05:43 +0000 Received: from mail108-co9 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail108-co9-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866C1C021A; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:05:43 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail108-co9: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail108-co9 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail108-co9 (MessageSwitch) id 1356044741450852_31158; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO9EHSMHS015.bigfish.com (unknown [10.236.132.232]) by mail108-co9.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F72F38005E; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CO9EHSMHS015.bigfish.com (10.236.130.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:05:41 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.180) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.328.9; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:06:24 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.3.116]) by OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.180]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:05:01 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Jim , "johnp@ciseast.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] "Powered by Ford" medallion restoration. Thread-Index: Ac3eUzBq8qBWtApTQMeA4oFwS2eQ8wArtVKwAAEK4wA= Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:05:08 +0000 References: <01a101cdde53$3194ce60$94be6b20$@com> <56981A267831480DB73C00654CF67060@RedBudAdminPC> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] "Powered by Ford" medallion restoration. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I was curious so I googled 'flash chrome plastic plating' and these guys came up. http://muellercorp.com/restoration.php Interestingly, they are allied with Instrument Specialties. Happy Holidays, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim > Sent: December 20, 2012 3:50 PM > To: johnp@ciseast.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] "Powered by Ford" medallion restoration. > > John/Listers; > > > > I have been researching the issue of restoring the motif badges for > Tigers/Alpines. The original motif badges were chromed using a flash > chrome > process that is still used by some chrome platers at this time. After > the > flash chrome is complete, the backing is covered with gloss black > enamel. > One thing not done is to coat the back of the motif badge with the gray > silver over coating to protect the backing and the car. My search > efforts > resulted in using the following restorer: > > > > Instrument Specialties, Inc. > > 65 Foliage Drive > > N. Kingstown, RI 02852 > > 401.267.0055 > > > > http://www.instrument-specialties.com/ > > > > I had 4 motif badges restored, 3 "Sunbeam 260" for my car and one > "Powered > by Ford 260" to see how it would come out. It took just over seven > months > to complete. The 3 Sunbeam motifs look great and the one Powered look > pretty good. The process was expensive. The motifs need to have the > deep > cut lettering in order for flash chrome to work according to the > personnel > that did the work. I also sent some repopped motifs, they would not > flash > chrome. Two last thoughts, I still need to provide the final back coat > as > this was not done and may not need to be done AND flash chroming 4 > motifs > cost $390.00 and took some time. My Tiger restorer told me they look > like > new as seen in the BON. Let me know off line if you want pictures, I > can > e-mail separately from the list. > > > > Jim McLaughlin > > B382000175 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of johnp@ciseast.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:42 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] "Powered by Ford" medallion restoration. > > > > I've tried several ways to restore or replace the "260" medallions with > no > > satisfactory results until yesterday. I wasn't happy with available > new > > units because all I found were flat units with the text > silkscreened(?).. > > They just looked flat and metallic instead of mirror like. Yesterday I > > tried doing the original medallion text recesses with > > > > Spaz Stix #10000 Ultimate Mirror Chrome, Air Brush Paint. It came from > > Amazon and cost $12.49 for a 2 oz bottle. > > > > For simplicity, the Mirror Chrome paint was brush applied to the text > > recesses using two coats. Much to my delight, the mirror effect was > > identical to the original mirror finish. I didn't take care to protect > the > > flat surfaces, just liberally applied the Mirror Chrome Paint. After > > completely drying, the normally black flat surface was sanded off using > 1200 > > grit wet/dry paper until completely clear. Then a coat of Rustoleum > Gloss > > Black plastic paint was aerosol applied as the backing. The first > medallion > > looks very good, almost like brand new. I'm working on the second > medallion > > now taking greater care and with more detail and expect it to look like > > brand new. I have no idea how durable this process will be under > severe > > weather conditions, but the first medallion looks very good right now. > I > > can email a photo to anyone interested if you send an email address. > > > > Does anyone out there have a better idea or suggestion. Let us know, > I'm > > sure there are plenty of shabby looking medallions just waiting for > > restoration. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimmc13@hughes.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. 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Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 21 16:06:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA43740E9B for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:06:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f47.google.com (mail-la0-f47.google.com [209.85.215.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA6940E30 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:06:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id u2so5999289lag.34 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:04:51 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=3+XYVC+gQ4orjGJNQ0i7/knGm8Tt95shJOKlhiHrrSE=; b=xKSyIlD1NQnW3KglqpSwLUv/bCiDpIzk4ke0XWXVqdfwfcCHHy/eYvtppgq9NkCCET TtM9VHEZjC9Seg/5oCBgci4SB/DkCeMhVkxmn0ZucY501mn8rM12cy3jOUX4zBZYwj4s 9FGWicTMMy4xkSy2KjRqrCli7WFmFNJ8TidlvjcSvS1qd6CfzZe7Q5p5L9aOlLpG98YW gqaKCG8cMrLsv/yNaNdDUzH2MBqDv2T+ZiL2OZL5CUWALcZUDoDpw6BFZX3WqgGQJBY2 iOpIledcywbKvdYF1UXIFq/qEOUXD/cd7GijuRw+z6Yhx5A2dGGLZBCmY/Jp277ytA+8 Jogw== Received: by 10.112.101.135 with SMTP id fg7mr5940525lbb.87.1356131090980; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:04:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.82.163 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:04:30 -0800 (PST) From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:04:30 -0500 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Jacket Photos and Special Offer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The first batch of Tiger Jackets were shipped out yesterday and today. Unfortunately, the Suede option has been discontinued, so the lucky owner of the single version of that one will be the only one in the world....ever. You can see them here. http://www.michaelspantera.com/sunbeamtiger.html *SPECIAL OFFER* There was a screw up on paper work and 3 extra jackets were made and will be offered with FREE SHIPPING ( a $25.00 discount ) to the first people to commit to them, A) call me at 912-695-7611 and claim your jacket. B) Then send a check for payment ASAP. 1 Series 7 All Weather Nylon Jacket with a Hood Size XXL Red Tiger on the back ST Logo and the left front breast 169.95 + 25.00 (XXL) = $194.95 + FREE SHIPPING 2 Series 5 Lightweight Poplin Jacket Size LARGE Silver Tiger on the back ST Logo on the Left Front Breast 159.95 + FREE SHIPPING 3 Series 5 Lightweight Poplin Jacket Size LARGE Silver Tiger on the back ST Logo on the Left Front Breast 159.95 + FREE SHIPPING Thanks and Merry Christmas. -- Michael L. 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You can see them here. http://www.michaelspantera.com/sunbeamtiger.html *SPECIAL OFFER* There was a screw up on paper work and 3 extra jackets were made and will be offered with FREE SHIPPING ( a $25.00 discount ) to the first people to commit to them, A) call me at 912-695-7611 and claim your jacket. B) Then send a check for payment ASAP. 1 Series 7 All Weather Nylon Jacket with a Hood Size XXL Red Tiger on the back ST Logo and the left front breast 169.95 + 25.00 (XXL) = $194.95 + FREE SHIPPING 2 Series 5 Lightweight Poplin Jacket Size LARGE Silver Tiger on the back ST Logo on the Left Front Breast 159.95 + FREE SHIPPING 3 Series 5 Lightweight Poplin Jacket Size LARGE Silver Tiger on the back ST Logo on the Left Front Breast 159.95 + FREE SHIPPING Thanks and Merry Christmas. -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 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Thank you _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 22 23:33:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB3F4064D for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 23:33:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f51.google.com (mail-pb0-f51.google.com [209.85.160.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21B0403EA for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 23:32:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ro12so3482453pbb.10 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 22:31:06 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=8aM/bXwM2LC7IhSgj7kXrpYTAUC1qqe6+pLWkzA5eVE=; b=iFSzD9ck9aRuaaQUNm+H5QPfz4H7W0jRUAqUz3AccIxGmtGt2LYcP0IZmRtkN7yM5C yIHTQYVGOpKrex0FptbrdXSLGx5NIoE9WImmKBmA7OCNYHKqWXpQBxH+hy0yI6AbVnUc g+Q6mU6gnjLT0h0ghO1CorVB+fQH4a7Dbtph8ojsCzwOCiWyFqT2DRvavWzqXpwjcVI2 K94L0WsGhcb33lIMU0oncaHNUGGXcV52zWMTAgNSgig20X/PcwDD+0MRHt4lt5IpgjRO F+NIDfqU9uo8SUpNnXd3xax6qSrLyOF8TX+xbsAIvpEPtqBkK4GXvK1JJkAMVeUoRv2r nIhQ== w5mr38518172pav.60.1356244266014; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 22:31:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vs3sm10031788pbc.61.2012.12.22.22.31.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 22 Dec 2012 22:31:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jay Laifman Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 22:31:03 -0800 To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Alger-914/6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thought you guys might get a kick out of this one. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-914-used-parts-sale-wanted/623028-wtb- 914-6-title-vin.html _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 07:06:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A52B4041D for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 07:06:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FC340407 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 07:05:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 84B6C1C00007E for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 09:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqc003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.161.137]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 571E4E000086 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 09:03:43 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 09:03:43 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1356444223; bh=xlsXRiPrbymEckKaylyW+E+ktfWDd/tTE5xGlXi+sm4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=coDVZXbjMizFCve9v1sJL1U+veOFmoHJmf8ohU6c7sMYdZwq+sBdzGbs6hfvyVLfv TcKdvr52n1p3K/2zoR6TxMaa1G1+ylSD9mFZoffJzK/hQ73yXby+nmbvI8bK53iGah A5Dk8EKGMF52zwo8dyS7WbVfe7Wr6wdjctHtJerg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b50d9b23f505d Subject: [Tigers] convertable top canvas straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, Snow outside on this Christmas morning, here in Massachusetts. The best to all of you. When I bought my Tiger in 1976, it had been on the road for nine years. a few years later I had a Robbins top installed that replaced my original. I recently replaced the canvas strap that tied the two top bows together; it had torn some years ago. In looking at the Owner's Handbook for both the Sunbeam 260 and the Tiger II 289, (their designations) for strap-dressing photo's, both O.M.'s show three canvas straps that run from the front top "header-rail" to somewhere in the back of the top; center, left and right. I can see no trace of them on my top; only the 10.25" strap I replaced. My suspicion is that they may have been deleted at some point in the manufacturing cost-savings imposed by the Chrysler regime. Can I ask if any of you have your top erected, to look for these and comment on their presence or absence along with your serial number please? (My car is 382002083) If any of you know the answer to this definitively, please speak. Thanks in advance, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 10:39:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C2F4044E for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 10:39:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (fed1rmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC5940405 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 10:39:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo305 ([68.230.241.173]) by fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20121225173731.BYZP30259.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305> for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 12:37:31 -0500 Received: from fed1rmwml206 ([172.18.140.218]) by fed1rmimpo305 with cox id ftd01k00G4iv3b801td0Nh; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 12:37:00 -0500 a=ZhPAqvP18NOZotFba0T7pg==:17 a=Wz_YUSKduGgA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=G4utBrD1QF4A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=uAqJ9gkeQrwA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Pa9lUXBnklWdU-0aIr8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=ZhPAqvP18NOZotFba0T7pg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 72.197.184.155 by webmail.west.cox.net; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 12:37:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 9:37:00 -0800 From: To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net, Rollright@aol.com Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] convertable top canvas straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A Merry Christmas to you and the rest of the Tiger list. It is cold here in Southern California. By that I mean there was frost on the windshield of a car parked in my driveway. I too have a late production Mk1A (2664). I have only 1 strap going to the front bow. my front bow has only one stamped depression for the strap to mount in. Erich > I can see no trace of them on my top; only the 10.25" strap I replaced. My > suspicion is that they may have been deleted at some point in the > manufacturing cost-savings imposed by the Chrysler regime. > > Can I ask if any of you have your top erected, to look for these and > comment on their presence or absence along with your serial number please? (My > car is 382002083) > > If any of you know the answer to this definitively, please speak. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 10:58:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9CA40454 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 10:58:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262B0403CF for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 10:58:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ftpC1k0030EZKEL5BtweDT; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:56:38 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ftwd1k00j0fu9Ni3MtweGd; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:56:38 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: , , References: <20121225123700.008FR.108465.imail@fed1rmwml206> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 12:56:34 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1356458198; bh=Ldb5LKirl2I4+gK8BkBJtcsZ8YWZCGNH7hJ6ZKJUMjY=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=P9mwh9yicJpg0TMPtON+6rd3j6x6SkMRIgGPEyOTLX5hRjyi8Ie4Yl9BMlD7WNtN8 XYqC2xkL3XmUtryc8dVKSpo3me33iGE1aQYFjb39x+7enIL8Bzh0C+uroyT9G7T+h2 on5hzdH3TGkLQxLGFxxWKaFiphGJSH+Z+sybMh6Qotp+hKuaR4HbGmdPq0Tv+I349r Epz+3003UhCiNaeQZtMlRMJCt2EuoA5DcUHSWc7dSHKk5R9TJXTN77l9Rw+t1MOyXT xlZ8HSg0sUJobDMENYtOsKllp+eC4jTGELhp0u6oAz3JZ5RSbY5ZpXXnkRbsY3Kbqj YMMS6bACFIQCg== Subject: Re: [Tigers] convertable top canvas straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Happy Holidays to all! I'm a few dozen miles south of Jim, and we have snow here too. More Thursday. So a little frost is nothing. On my Mk1A (2452, built late summer of '66) I have the short strap between the two rear bows, the original, I believe, and one we replaced going to the front bow. I used some furniture strapping stuff a friend happened to have. There must have been traces of the front strap there or we wouldn't have done it. The only thing is, this may not prove much, since the previous owner had an Alpine parts car of unknown vintage , and the top may have come from that. Stu -----Original Message----- From: e.coiner@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 12:37 PM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net ; Rollright@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] convertable top canvas straps A Merry Christmas to you and the rest of the Tiger list. It is cold here in Southern California. By that I mean there was frost on the windshield of a car parked in my driveway. I too have a late production Mk1A (2664). I have only 1 strap going to the front bow. my front bow has only one stamped depression for the strap to mount in. Erich > I can see no trace of them on my top; only the 10.25" strap I replaced. My > suspicion is that they may have been deleted at some point in the > manufacturing cost-savings imposed by the Chrysler regime. > > Can I ask if any of you have your top erected, to look for these and > comment on their presence or absence along with your serial number please? > (My > car is 382002083) > > If any of you know the answer to this definitively, please speak. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stubrennan@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 11:53:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE1440453 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 11:53:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28354403EC for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 11:52:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:50:46 -0500 From: "rande" To: Rollright@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:50:46 -0500 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] soft top canvas straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net from car #B382000048 First, while I'm the same dude who browbeats everyone for throwing out their old Tiger stuff, nonetheless I threw out the old top fabric, so can't refer to that. I pulled up the metal frame still in the car, the center strap is still there. I looked for evidence of the left and right outer straps. From a visual standpoint, the rear most bow has gray paint missing on the outer two sides where the horizonal bend becomes vertical(and is showing surface rust), coinciding with where the straps pictured in the owner handbook show them. The parts catalog seems to be inconclusive, showing only one complete hood(in this case, Britspeak for top)used for car numbers B9473328 onward, and one top hood frame used for Series 3 bodies onward (look at pages YX13 and YX21 from the June 1968 version of the catalog). For owners handbook reference, I looked at the separate Tiger 1A eight page supplement companion to the Mark I handbook, as well as the Tiger II '289' owners handbook, which in this case share much of the same photos(by plate number). If anyone is able to find those straps listed separately, let us know where you found the listing. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 13:48:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752AB40535 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:48:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A6140337 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:48:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2012 20:46:42 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.221] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2012 20:46:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2012 20:46:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 75868 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2012 20:46:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356468402; bh=6yju0qWVgcQiGNXiYntLSbPtTheHsy+vBAQCEJoKk+A=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Bm0g9OKXW4/GmBZpxI1lNtAonvAupbVnjxoX//S84sXhKpJR6qooPw6P02akWQsVFZoqFpS/KAfIuOLQ6Eb1vf6dS77jZvLPau4HfFZx52l+ZiiTMBS6Ov0vb1MMk89shhTPEysRnO8/ZOpE1x5anFbGR0yRyNgJBIsVNNrNglI= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NyBX02zODjV3txi+hC0uBBv4A0AHOK2r9F89OC4RB0wFxXOoAQeBZWUHDEzrkO9fvFtXOOHCI/M1zmakx15E9evUQsJxIqF9/MITOLVyR39Avf8eDPKeZly/a3rq3LUhtQhq/InWF9FyFgsyamTwr+CCUxFN9hDns6KtaGYKhj8=; PZ55yggyolZMq6T7X8kfP5luqAYdqCv4ZXjlBe7dyisCn7qVEjwBCOwyBh3r Ty.91J1pAGG5dYNLs2nRpUjTwr4YwXPX1rWnTGR99PuctYCW.r8T7Of5IrHl qJsrjJx5geQmkKkiBTLWEFHMuQWdAV2tpYvgK9S4eZt1sOom5WJWVtLDJqNN hy.bizzRCQoEu5m4kj7.o2flllmbiQ36voMGP_o88Cw_1gmae1iHNWLONXvJ oi3.kweTZL8hNjubYpb_QPOOSQbP3OLeeHtGH0d7qGNFcV_QNYUgJxhsrXCT UBn1Gf1o8FthKQdMHqD5lh1s5jh0InpYF1wWdj2Yg.1fDzyhERVL59Qgqk1Q GOgbqqJndEBdjRCtKWDJ_6J6A7XKIJmxTaPA.K5E_GBoG4DiW0p4oZiiSqLg o6_qM2x8zXa0dnQfOaAVaENm00oKzkUKTc_xXofCjgeZSulnhrPeRXowrM46 IIx.cr8Cd86IHcbDegu_5mCxcWbqLEmCbpa99UqJwY3Ati18DDQu3Uw8LDqb hh0PbBltTT2KjuIuosyLxpQIQR3OSU7Kon4p0r7NXfeV8MAb0hi91IBY3m9r .WG37bWaO_fRhzjdqrCqw3sKpy2L_RvUYpA-- Received: from [72.29.162.82] by web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 12:46:42 PST TWVycnkgQ2hyaXN0bWFzIEFsbAoKSG9wZWZ1bGx5IHlvdSBub3RpY2VkIHRoYXQgdGhlcmUncyBubyBUaWdlciBjb250ZW50IGhlcmUuIEJ1dCB0aGUgY29tYmluZWQga25vd2xlZGdlIG9mIHRoaXMgTGlzdCByZWFjaGVzIGZhciBhbmQgd2lkZS7CoCAKCgpJIHJlY2VudGx5IGZhc3QgZm9yd2FyZGVkIHRocm91Z2ggYSB0ZXJyaWJsZSBzY2ktZmkgbW92aWUgZnJvbSAxOTU4IC0gVGhlIExvc3QgTWlzc2lsZS4gSW50ZXJlc3RpbmdseSwgaXQgaW5jbHVkZWQgYSBzY2VuZSB3aXRoIGEgY3JlYW0gY29sb3JlZCABMAEBAQE- References: <50d9f586.5ef8.0@thecia.net> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 12:46:42 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Packer To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] No Tiger Content - Sports Car ID Help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Merry Christmas All Hopefully you noticed that there's no Tiger content here. But the combined knowledge of this List reaches far and wide. I recently fast forwarded through a terrible sci-fi movie from 1958 - The Lost Missile. Interestingly, it included a scene with a cream colored sports car I didn't recognize. If you would like to give identifying it a whirl, please cut/paste the youtube link below, as the entire movie is posted there. Advance the play bar to 55 minutes. The car in question appears in the next minute in a road duel with two jeeps. Note that in the view following its roll-over that hood louvers seem to be present. Since there is no Tiger content in this message, please feel free to reply to me individually. If a positive ID of the car can be made, I'll post the result to the list to close the loop. Also, "The Lost Missile" seems to be pretty obscure as it is not yet listed at IMCDB.org. For anyone unfamiliar, this is the Internet Movie Cars Data Base. It's a great resource for identifying movie vehicles - cars, trucks, motorcycles, buses, etc in particular movies. However it also allows the reverse search for movie appearances by your favorite vehicle. Hope you don't mind that I chose to ask the List for help with this one. Thanks Terry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ZN7CZkmeg _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 14:02:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6CB940522 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:02:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f44.google.com (mail-la0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E8940423 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:02:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id d3so9992156lah.17 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:00:24 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=FW1BlB/kmBJLGQOSSqGRmcRilCQTJ/thqNfJtaxeh3o=; b=t8P7ZQ3vONQl6CvSrqCMjFl8iOegMS/6oW3KlWBUsi+DziTrfZCyme8qVyS9K7Beun E7WdOUr1U7GFcxGQxN8Uwd9zCQmLSU/u5ZT8cMuvXhzPNRF/DEZPlTi8jhGPgdQNQPv3 u7FrHtKxWziDC6hUS1mhFdlFzgFZ1q0NUds6lnyAxEzgSYu7kpaQ9cct1CSdoHUHZUi6 t/3z/+q6WVQtI8Qop3ztBy6S2IZV+V+UrTR0usjRHWI3h0omKKZlSGCArRIy5bel9k6f ZrjxoqKuRobStXvxfq9liCYOZ85e3h2Pv37V4VocoaZh1yUSoo0otR1v1J8Xmg35dr2h OizA== Received: by 10.112.32.101 with SMTP id h5mr10324857lbi.3.1356469223994; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:00:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.82.163 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:00:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.82.163 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:00:23 -0800 (PST) References: <50d9f586.5ef8.0@thecia.net> <1356468402.62441.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:00:23 -0500 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: Terry Packer Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] No Tiger Content - Sports Car ID Help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Not a BMW, Lancia or Fiat. On Dec 25, 2012 3:47 PM, "Terry Packer" wrote: > Merry Christmas All > > Hopefully you noticed that there's no Tiger content here. > But the combined knowledge of this List reaches far and wide. > > > I recently > fast forwarded through a terrible sci-fi movie from 1958 - The Lost > Missile. > Interestingly, it included a scene with a cream colored sports car I didn't > recognize. If you would like to give identifying it a whirl, please > cut/paste > the youtube link below, as the entire movie is posted there. Advance the > play > bar to 55 minutes. The car in question appears in the next minute in a road > duel with two jeeps. Note that in the view following its roll-over that > hood > louvers seem to be present. > > > Since there is no Tiger content in this > message, please feel free to reply to me individually. If a positive ID of > the > car can be made, I'll post the result to the list to close the loop. > > > Also, > "The Lost Missile" seems to be pretty obscure as it is not yet listed at > IMCDB.org. For anyone unfamiliar, this is the Internet Movie Cars Data > Base. > It's a great resource for identifying movie vehicles - cars, trucks, > motorcycles, buses, etc in particular movies. However it also allows the > reverse search for movie appearances by your favorite vehicle. Hope you > don't > mind that I chose to ask the List for help with this one. > > > Thanks > > > Terry > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ZN7CZkmeg > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 14:07:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC2240525 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:07:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com (mail-la0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0645340432 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:07:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id z14so9786497lag.2 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:05:41 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=iqvnHP6scLk8J8mJqsGhDt+x29CAS6w2rU+zG4GEvSA=; b=pM0aDxxN4dIe7s8QVCDtzhRpPxnIoQg0bzYcEXS4wHkWYb0W7jQkEHin50ja9yvlHI 419LdsSZRm2DsCdN2+2LrN8xROx9rVnPXx8RqfKLaFvW7a7+6xC112y0AWZ++Vvsxf2V yjSoftg86T+mSddXnSr17MYNySZK8j1zvkbZ/ovoc7hzoJZ2cmchXX3AnnnQYyKwfDr5 MduuEMVPddQyH69K4mYVOqQtMmnZcv2XiEvitvhNsT36ZwZS4KDbXfuq13OngCL1GYRs E3islnVQT7Ju9lixQMh9k3waRd35HNJ5nRxdTis2ya4jfZSmBk14AvvtSMGKiUdhJQl7 5fZQ== Received: by 10.112.32.101 with SMTP id h5mr10328630lbi.3.1356469541129; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:05:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.82.163 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:05:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.82.163 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:05:40 -0800 (PST) References: <50d9f586.5ef8.0@thecia.net> <1356468402.62441.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:05:40 -0500 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: Terry Packer Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] No Tiger Content - Sports Car ID Help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Could be either a 1950 Delahaye or a Talbot Lago On Dec 25, 2012 4:00 PM, "michael@michaelshortt.com" wrote: > Not a BMW, Lancia or Fiat. > On Dec 25, 2012 3:47 PM, "Terry Packer" wrote: > >> Merry Christmas All >> >> Hopefully you noticed that there's no Tiger content here. >> But the combined knowledge of this List reaches far and wide. >> >> >> I recently >> fast forwarded through a terrible sci-fi movie from 1958 - The Lost >> Missile. >> Interestingly, it included a scene with a cream colored sports car I >> didn't >> recognize. If you would like to give identifying it a whirl, please >> cut/paste >> the youtube link below, as the entire movie is posted there. Advance the >> play >> bar to 55 minutes. The car in question appears in the next minute in a >> road >> duel with two jeeps. Note that in the view following its roll-over that >> hood >> louvers seem to be present. >> >> >> Since there is no Tiger content in this >> message, please feel free to reply to me individually. If a positive ID >> of the >> car can be made, I'll post the result to the list to close the loop. >> >> >> Also, >> "The Lost Missile" seems to be pretty obscure as it is not yet listed at >> IMCDB.org. For anyone unfamiliar, this is the Internet Movie Cars Data >> Base. >> It's a great resource for identifying movie vehicles - cars, trucks, >> motorcycles, buses, etc in particular movies. However it also allows the >> reverse search for movie appearances by your favorite vehicle. Hope you >> don't >> mind that I chose to ask the List for help with this one. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> Terry >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ZN7CZkmeg >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 15:05:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567F240522 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:05:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC93240433 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:03:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:01:26 -0500 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:01:26 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] What is it? no tiger content Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Michael, I would 'Google image' a car called the Jowett Jupiter, and you can learn more about it through Wikipedia. It's a Brit car from the early 1950's. Try to find an image of it taken from the rear, as that's the view from the youtube film. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 15:31:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BC440535 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:31:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF1A40435 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:30:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fyTv1k0041c6gX85ByV3zs; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:29:03 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fyV21k00E0fu9Ni3jyV3Y1; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:29:03 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: , References: <50da2236.60d6.0@thecia.net> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:29:04 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1356474543; bh=UbP03SG+LYWPvzv0Y0mGeVBdiULEY3JY/OjUW/0RVhw=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=mand04ayb6nC4N4LjVW8Ok/egCpl7yDM6/8ZtAejwydGjDA90FPk5UJjBSDXN/jqI Zv/am6IJR0G0gnAsS35CLm5QJMCiNmZ5fM7rlCKf59WJa5alGZv3FPGnWpPWGCw4EO AOyiNGisjB+sxNuGws+hsolIP8foYLV3yyHBUa4CpZ69Zo6SRi4qCaGiqCNCRLv98S yphK0sohXtEogCtMF+xz/REcGdetOPnyqcQ6XzjdCj6DASPtl3kPpw6+ZdxoL89yx5 xYGdtqeF+GooIkOOasSH/HFNnI6wab779dUtiP6QjCPSOZrvMfjCv5hd0sW8q88EYV pTmKArBTbD2Xg== Subject: Re: [Tigers] What is it? no tiger content Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Rande wins. The front view a few seconds later confirms it. Stu -----Original Message----- From: rande Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 5:01 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] What is it? no tiger content Michael, I would 'Google image' a car called the Jowett Jupiter, and you can learn more about it through Wikipedia. It's a Brit car from the early 1950's. Try to find an image of it taken from the rear, as that's the view from the youtube film. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stubrennan@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 15:38:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B5440435 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:38:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (fed1rmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F6A40435 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:37:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20121225223551.QEQA1243.fed1rmfepo202.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:35:51 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([174.65.70.161]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id fybq1k00C3UmZMq01ybqYC; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:35:50 -0500 a=/yKhpGMgYYPHDhab/ueS3w==:17 a=uBsBa1gr-CYA:10 a=5S1N9eDXnx8A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=ZTdSrEEV-n4A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=J3D0NNBVeVxLYRGazBMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=/yKhpGMgYYPHDhab/ueS3w==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:35:50 -0800 From: David Sosna User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <50da2236.60d6.0@thecia.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] What is it? no tiger content Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Rande--good call! I'd never have gotten that on my own. :-) Best Regards David Sosna On 12/25/2012 02:01 PM, rande wrote: > Michael, > > I would 'Google image' a car called the Jowett Jupiter, and you can learn more > about it through Wikipedia. It's a Brit car from the early 1950's. Try to find > an image of it taken from the rear, as that's the view from the youtube film. > > > Rande > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 16:06:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3938F40512 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:06:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F47340435 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:04:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from student2 ([unknown] [96.249.192.65]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MFM00G4E00294I1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:02:26 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <50da2236.60d6.0@thecia.net> <50DA2A46.1000500@cox.net> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:02:36 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What is it? no tiger content Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The IMCDB is a great resource. I initially linked into it off the Pinto site I frequent. As I was scrolling through the Pinto's I see one listed for an abysmal film I work on early in my career (Frozen Scream - 1980, a top pick on the "Video Nasty's" list). Something in the background of the Pinto image caught my attention. And..., sure enough there was a 73 Buick convertible. It is owned by a guy I worked on the film with - and still work with to this day. He still has the car too. Needless to say it made his day that a car he has owned for over 35 years is visible on the IMCDB. So, no telling what you might find. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 16:22:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AB540529 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:22:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D5B40435 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:18:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 18:16:47 -0500 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 18:16:47 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] non Tiger - 'The Lost Missile' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In the process of looking up the film, I found a better viewing experience by going to IMDB, where they have a clearer version of the film through HULU. Just search 'the lost missile' and look for the 1958 choice. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 16:22:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAC94051B for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:22:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CEEB40435 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:20:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from BucksLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.229.205]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MFM00E7U0QIY8U1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:18:19 -0600 (CST) From: "Buck Trippel" To: "David Sosna" , References: <50da2236.60d6.0@thecia.net> <50DA2A46.1000500@cox.net> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:18:00 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What is it? no tiger content Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Good job Rande! The earlier posts in this tread had little Tiger content so I don't feel too guilty further digressing... with some trivia. I've watched that movie a number of times, in fact, every time I've stumbled across it on TV. And it's not because of the Jowett Jupiter. A lot of it was shot in the area where I grew up. I've always spent most of my time trying to pick out friend's houses or familiar haunts. Many of the houses seen as the jeeps are driving around Playa del Rey would soon fall victim to the expansion of LAX caused by the introduction of passenger jets. The school where the kids exit and board school bus was where several of us in today's Tiger community attended. (Including Senior TAC inspector and Cobra restorer Mike McCluskey). When the jeep nearly runs past the "T" dead end and is forced to back up, the background looks out over what became, a few years later, Marina del Rey and the site of Shelby American's Venice shop. Carroll Shelby was to have a similar view from his house which would be built a block or two from the jeep's location shortly after this movie was shot. bt ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sosna" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] What is it? no tiger content > Rande--good call! > I'd never have gotten that on my own. > :-) > > Best Regards > David Sosna > > On 12/25/2012 02:01 PM, rande wrote: >> Michael, >> >> I would 'Google image' a car called the Jowett Jupiter, and you can learn >> more >> about it through Wikipedia. It's a Brit car from the early 1950's. Try to >> find >> an image of it taken from the rear, as that's the view from the youtube >> film. >> >> >> Rande >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 17:37:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03BC40529 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:37:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3384E403F9 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:35:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 19:33:52 -0500 From: "rande" To: packertl3@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 19:33:52 -0500 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Sorry, Terry Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry I first addresssed this movie quiz to Michael. Tell you what. Why don't you log onto IMCDb and enter the car and movie, whadda ya say? Buck, they told me you might be older than dirt, but I didn't realize that you arrived on the historical scene circa BSA (Before Shelby American). The stuff about Playa del Rey ,Marina del Rey, and Venice(where Shelby was before Imperial Hwy/LAX. I used to get my sunburns(and gradually lose my hearing -ask Buck why) at Playa del Rey, just to cruise by Shelby on Imperial on the way, and covet one of their cars. Rande Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 17:38:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8E54054B for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:38:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5280840454 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:37:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 00:36:01 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.198] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 00:36:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 00:36:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 72582 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2012 00:36:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356482160; bh=GBtaNcmQv8i9zKqdqltZl0HIFv6TPp904mWWqp7QZSE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b5aCh8nWdFgVTt637JgiwKlob6aXonid2kpE1SG9lY6dZ78zG/BcPqUhBSMiug2rSVjRRMiYZ1U2Aob0gFRWmFzQ6+j7N4f6PTy4o6mGsKxioX7YjB5waN7s1y/QqqWgNwgpMPxUPeL0Gnv5SaO8VLYcN/WpAgWRQuOxciI5oKw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uAVZ2/+BVc9lxnbPOyhPTxSTMuJAPFKVO+XZoUapjOIek8ONDRE0dK8dxH5vzC3R5cGMySDYzS6vulet4T7+k6xwtDGmD4Uq1dVhMCnEbnSrHTW0MZ/0l/tcUTM4kFop8CT1ay1qzx63Z1k1P/rMqQ+NFwwbkpsDgIKlGy/D3ds=; Xii7vR.mMOGFjquOd67vtDIc3fVJedE1dy5sQw1jGhrJgteRkH6j1tIbpMHS DUBXQQTHzHljJ4sNFIdh2PHP668ksY87IS9cVJd89IZnGhkgiKUE7tNvVcBy VEmyhhtOHNIGkJtB7QFWil0zq9QUE37P_WvPZJsH.kXGe_9cNPDjJcPPnM6N .kf8L2FW72QaToONVw1uJW6MLTXoJzG0W3OYDVSp5F1MHIH1pl30JqIEY30x D1xDAor8GLPafr0hB.M1d7GgCdn8.aLouDa1jlCLzMIj9Ftjp6Zmkbe12RPk UP0qVg6kWWENS3SKPAWlFEjTrbh0B_6UhE.LlnedGbaxQETj7QJ6bBliB73V gCX_mJBS7v8IEq9sT7haFAP3QdnvHnobvKcdVScrOm76mVJ3Bf8eN2MntopJ bVLXquOWkogncoioEP02zUXtns0IJEkaH7v8VFebcHAgH7OGV9l18M2oQuVw FdgFDqCJfCAKt6JuAQKkP6ViMUHFVS7RY..FGyq3iew9mn5VW5SGadI6k56h qcpnZzlBfwIK2evc0TKEQHVtKyGtgfyjq0adPFozgMqWTfSdxM.XL11CPWae eSwTfjnT1IbjwWeZMuH8Gi64Lh2_yeDBIAFYuxVa1juV1 Received: from [72.29.162.82] by web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:36:00 PST UmFuZGUgYW5kIEJ1Y2sKClRoYW5rIHlvdSBSYW5kZSBmb3IgcHJvdmlkaW5nIGEgY29uZmlybWVkIElEIGZvciB0aGUgSm93ZXR0IEp1cGl0ZXIgc2hvd24gaW4gVGhlIExvc3QgTWlzc2lsZS4gSSd2ZSBuZXZlciBoZWFyZCBvZiB0aGF0IGNhciBiZWZvcmUsIHdoaWNoIG1heSBiZSB1bmRlcnN0YW5kYWJsZSBhcyBpdHMgd2lraXBlZGlhIGVudHJ5IChiZWxvdykgY29uZmlybXMgdmVyeSBsb3cgcHJvZHVjdGlvbiBudW1iZXJzIGFuZCBhIHNldmVyYWwgdW5pcXVlIGZlYXR1cmVzLgoKQWxzbyB0aGFua3MgdG8BMAEBAQE- References: <50da2236.60d6.0@thecia.net> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:36:00 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Packer To: "rande@thecia.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" , Buck Trippel Subject: Re: [Tigers] What is it? no tiger content Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Rande and Buck Thank you Rande for providing a confirmed ID for the Jowett Jupiter shown in The Lost Missile. I've never heard of that car before, which may be understandable as its wikipedia entry (below) confirms very low production numbers and a several unique features. Also thanks to Buck for adding color to the Lost Missile story. I wondered where the filming location was and had no idea I was looking at the future Marina Del Rey area. This seems to confirm again that virtually any movie of any quality can benefit from the inclusion of a few good cars! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jowett_Jupiter Thanks again for all responses. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: rande To: tigers@autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:01 PM Subject: [Tigers] What is it? no tiger content Michael, I would 'Google image' a car called the Jowett Jupiter, and you can learn more about it through Wikipedia. It's a Brit car from the early 1950's. Try to find an image of it taken from the rear, as that's the view from the youtube film. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/packertl3@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 19:06:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6503C40435 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 19:06:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CC640435 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 19:06:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from BucksLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.229.205]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MFM00BQX8F9A850@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 20:04:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Buck Trippel" To: , References: <50da45f0.658d.0@thecia.net> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 18:04:03 -0800 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sorry, Terry Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Then Rande, with your local knowledge you might have recognized the road that the scientist (Bob Loggia) turned onto after the officer's jeep crashed avoiding the Jowett Jupiter. It's Pershing Drive, which is significant in Shelby American lore since it later became Ken Miles favorite test track once the SA racing operations had moved to Imperial. bt ----- Original Message ----- From: "rande" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 4:33 PM Subject: [Tigers] Sorry, Terry > Sorry I first addresssed this movie quiz to Michael. > Tell you what. Why don't you log onto IMCDb and enter the car and movie, > whadda > ya say? > > Buck, they told me you might be older than dirt, but I didn't realize that > you > arrived on the historical scene circa BSA (Before Shelby American). > > The stuff about Playa del Rey ,Marina del Rey, and Venice(where Shelby was > before > Imperial Hwy/LAX. I used to get my sunburns(and gradually lose my > hearing -ask > Buck why) at Playa del Rey, just to cruise by Shelby on Imperial on the > way, > and covet one of their cars. > > Rande > > Rande > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 02:56:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14CA4052E for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 02:56:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ea0-f181.google.com (mail-ea0-f181.google.com [209.85.215.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2785A4042C for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 02:56:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ea0-f181.google.com with SMTP id k14so3376207eaa.12 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 01:54:21 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gLuHpVyvTOE5WXz0g4gAOwedG9Xz01Cz6X3rfpihl08=; b=VSbPdEsz2JWyP/CrUAEXH+hWxCqE3iIIFabTgoPj9gHXDZFLaNWrGkmi2Njf6rOGXC hVbGh4kv1vTqNG/BUds/emXh/4CKkuJ9bHU0FLBVPw6c0D4UMCtHXh9ocPAVKP/W+ASA KiqMyuoX08WUG4ObiSlIyq6tecNmM6PmsB/pNQpQFcBRyEyp3vOambSQgbgeLPYirncD 5ziKgusb1giH/z60l1Mcmb/a3NN5xD4Mtg1wcNzJnA12zCM4AreS8geIjPJGST7uPKWS GOEs0qNuLXAPz8UpwXxA74rKZ3ew1t664EjnPdIZDsCFGwzFcEPy7bopOBwWImqf1iod 0LpA== Received: by 10.14.215.194 with SMTP id e42mr68787510eep.32.1356515660930; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 01:54:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.4.203 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 01:54:20 -0800 (PST) References: <2e81.26db723a.3e0b0c3f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:54:20 +1100 From: michael king To: Rollright@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] convertable top canvas straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The early cars have 2 straps going fro the frame to the header rail. This was cars with the tensio wire (so pre-MKIA) they had this on the S3/IV alpines. I'm not sure the Vin where it was deleted and became one, I believe there is a known answer for when it occurred.. will see if i can dig it up. On 26 December 2012 01:03, wrote: > Hello, > > Snow outside on this Christmas morning, here in Massachusetts. > > The best to all of you. > > When I bought my Tiger in 1976, it had been on the road for nine years. a > few years later I had a Robbins top installed that replaced my original. > > I recently replaced the canvas strap that tied the two top bows together; > it had torn some years ago. In looking at the Owner's Handbook for both the > Sunbeam 260 and the Tiger II 289, (their designations) for strap-dressing > photo's, both O.M.'s show three canvas straps that run from the front top > "header-rail" to somewhere in the back of the top; center, left and right. > > I can see no trace of them on my top; only the 10.25" strap I replaced. My > suspicion is that they may have been deleted at some point in the > manufacturing cost-savings imposed by the Chrysler regime. > > Can I ask if any of you have your top erected, to look for these and > comment on their presence or absence along with your serial number please? > (My > car is 382002083) > > If any of you know the answer to this definitively, please speak. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 07:32:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DEF40532 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:32:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ns4.adlinea.net (ns4.adlinea.net [209.160.65.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4180740405 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:32:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by ns4.adlinea.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66EB412200B4; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 14:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ns4.adlinea.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sls-gc15p7.dca2.superbservers.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C1eFKjwXvC4E; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.8] (96-37-74-160.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com [96.37.74.160]) (Authenticated sender: harryb@elams.org) by ns4.adlinea.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50A012200A3; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:30:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:30:05 -0500 From: Harry Elam User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: Rollright@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger convertible top Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, I have owned a Tiger continuously since 1979 and have never seen a top with the straps attached to the top material. When my last straps were frayed I replaced thm with dark blue belt webbing from an Navy blue uniform belt. I also used the same material for the strap the holds, what my parts book calls, the luggage platform. Harry Elam B382000471 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 08:47:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB92E4052C for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:47:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A496440405 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:47:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 29CFD380000BA; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 10:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqc003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.161.137]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 85A05E000089; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 10:45:18 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 10:45:18 -0500 (EST) To: hb.elam@yahoo.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1356536719; bh=pO3C1sysNcR9qMGDcrS/QuK/ourMrCse8ZkP6VL9lqE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FJBsMGYZ6Xct823m/VMrntfAJ5+Jm3miNrUoxF2pmRCNBrX0n1SbYs939AeygRy8K wf1/SzoFyG4Kpow+HMaFWw0nKby5yDq2CmS3vfByklTRdwG/rf+TwAI9PX4jH3omZQ PG6L7Co1j0YSW8lGXJMylDfCBvddsjcdRQVmdFuk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294950db1b8e14c5 Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger convertible top Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net No Harry. I didn't convey the right impression. They aren't attached to the top but the top frame. Apparently, they attach to the two overhead bows and (not now on my car) the front rail that clamps to the top of the windshield frame Is that any clearer? Jim In a message dated 12/26/2012 9:30:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, harryb@elams.org writes: Jim, I have owned a Tiger continuously since 1979 and have never seen a top with the straps attached to the top material. When my last straps were frayed I replaced thm with dark blue belt webbing from an Navy blue uniform belt. I also used the same material for the strap the holds, what my parts book calls, the luggage platform. Harry Elam B382000471 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 08:52:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DED040535 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:52:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2309840405 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:52:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gEKX1k0051HpZEsACFqia4; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:50:42 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gFqh1k00Y2xZMJ48aFqhPl; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:50:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:50:41 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: michael king s=q20121106; t=1356537042; bh=wBFYmm+I/2VbxIoUpPn7NmLZlxW92UDAOik0GtyvoPU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=k7V3QnK3AeajlFmc9JmPEhOoJqzVdmmsFl7NBk4ljUBJXCvCXwyBLnDWqA4qS+a3A uhiKy4ZbOQ5ODH74mVE7ejtVU1/p8dC7oO1aDrAyHmBbqyuZi72s5N6B602PrPh43t 3N7KI9ph0u6Yz/352AMGRF+J04oI35C/hUm7/DjymA3b9BcRvbBlBUl93ZF+HDW0vF J1VlkgeGbI//dynN/EuCvoPrTh1bOlRNoL3ScKxIkANjMVfhHTRWg3aq3NfhEyksgC pPgy0RftfHG6VreIiIzRiHDz48gIO5cbj7yNcmnBLexfSoy0WqvqIleOrrJmlFnkAn MmWdsvOZDy+kg== Cc: Rollright@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] convertable top canvas straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Actually early cars had three straps. And they had "loops" sewed to the top to hold them (Like belt loops on pants). Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: michael king To: Rollright@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:54:20 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] convertable top canvas straps The early cars have 2 straps going fro the frame to the header rail. This was cars with the tensio wire (so pre-MKIA) they had this on the S3/IV alpines. I'm not sure the Vin where it was deleted and became one, I believe there is a known answer for when it occurred.. will see if i can dig it up. On 26 December 2012 01:03, wrote: > Hello, > > Snow outside on this Christmas morning, here in Massachusetts. > > The best to all of you. > > When I bought my Tiger in 1976, it had been on the road for nine years. a > few years later I had a Robbins top installed that replaced my original. > > I recently replaced the canvas strap that tied the two top bows together; > it had torn some years ago. In looking at the Owner's Handbook for both the > Sunbeam 260 and the Tiger II 289, (their designations) for strap-dressing > photo's, both O.M.'s show three canvas straps that run from the front top > "header-rail" to somewhere in the back of the top; center, left and right. > > I can see no trace of them on my top; only the 10.25" strap I replaced. My > suspicion is that they may have been deleted at some point in the > manufacturing cost-savings imposed by the Chrysler regime. > > Can I ask if any of you have your top erected, to look for these and > comment on their presence or absence along with your serial number please? > (My > car is 382002083) > > If any of you know the answer to this definitively, please speak. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 09:06:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EF4403F0 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:06:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760E6403E2 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:06:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3B4333800008A; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqc003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.161.137]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 04429E000081; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:04:34 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:04:33 -0500 (EST) To: garywinblad@comcast.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1356537874; bh=7+9y1we6ElH9S85FhYsAf8Dwm46yvNuKbpH1+BgU8bU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mEWDYfJlDzO2Dkww3yUeHKJLVn3pky0y7K3MTWZB2A1wt2jrUVtj2h3rjJZdIXxqo L3D3n0hySCzL4ksB7lWYxqcUgzNcmcm0/0UvjmgcWNY5+YxcAlWQa3GYHUvA2DedC+ IPVPVtndWRJpdaLuvnf3MM484ad9Hu2zblkPUMxc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb50db201238c1 Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] convertable top canvas straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Whow ! This is news! They were anchored to the bows and "looped" to the top? Jim Armstrong In a message dated 12/26/2012 10:50:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, garywinblad@comcast.net writes: Actually early cars had three straps. And they had "loops" sewed to the top to hold them (Like belt loops on pants). Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: michael king To: Rollright@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:54:20 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] convertable top canvas straps The early cars have 2 straps going fro the frame to the header rail. This was cars with the tensio wire (so pre-MKIA) they had this on the S3/IV alpines. I'm not sure the Vin where it was deleted and became one, I believe there is a known answer for when it occurred.. will see if i can dig it up. On 26 December 2012 01:03, wrote: > Hello, > > Snow outside on this Christmas morning, here in Massachusetts. > > The best to all of you. > > When I bought my Tiger in 1976, it had been on the road for nine years. a > few years later I had a Robbins top installed that replaced my original. > > I recently replaced the canvas strap that tied the two top bows together; > it had torn some years ago. In looking at the Owner's Handbook for both the > Sunbeam 260 and the Tiger II 289, (their designations) for strap-dressing > photo's, both O.M.'s show three canvas straps that run from the front top > "header-rail" to somewhere in the back of the top; center, left and right. > > I can see no trace of them on my top; only the 10.25" strap I replaced. My > suspicion is that they may have been deleted at some point in the > manufacturing cost-savings imposed by the Chrysler regime. > > Can I ask if any of you have your top erected, to look for these and > comment on their presence or absence along with your serial number please? > (My > car is 382002083) > > If any of you know the answer to this definitively, please speak. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 11:17:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D81040405 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:17:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com [159.54.39.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE3C403F3 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:16:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from ent-mocexhub01.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.20.1.86]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8045D345E0F; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::d1ee:ba6b:7083:d0d]) by ent-mocexhub01.us.ad.gannett.com ([::1]) with mapi; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:10:17 -0500 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Terry Packer , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:10:10 -0500 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] No Tiger Content - Sports Car ID Help Thread-Index: Ac3i4PVqfAJZjB7XSq6k8xNVkM+19QAsxvSw References: <50d9f586.5ef8.0@thecia.net> <1356468402.62441.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Tigers] No Tiger Content - Sports Car ID Help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The cars is a Jowett Jupiter. British built in the early '50's. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Terry Packer Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 12:47 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] No Tiger Content - Sports Car ID Help Merry Christmas All Hopefully you noticed that there's no Tiger content here. But the combined knowledge of this List reaches far and wide. I recently fast forwarded through a terrible sci-fi movie from 1958 - The Lost Missile. Interestingly, it included a scene with a cream colored sports car I didn't recognize. If you would like to give identifying it a whirl, please cut/paste the youtube link below, as the entire movie is posted there. Advance the play bar to 55 minutes. The car in question appears in the next minute in a road duel with two jeeps. Note that in the view following its roll-over that hood louvers seem to be present. Since there is no Tiger content in this message, please feel free to reply to me individually. If a positive ID of the car can be made, I'll post the result to the list to close the loop. Also, "The Lost Missile" seems to be pretty obscure as it is not yet listed at IMCDB.org. For anyone unfamiliar, this is the Internet Movie Cars Data Base. It's a great resource for identifying movie vehicles - cars, trucks, motorcycles, buses, etc in particular movies. However it also allows the reverse search for movie appearances by your favorite vehicle. Hope you don't mind that I chose to ask the List for help with this one. Thanks Terry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ZN7CZkmeg _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jteepen@usatoday.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 13:51:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771E640541 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:51:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B51403F3 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:50:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gLnM1k0030Fqzac58LoRGX; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:48:25 +0000 Received: from sz0158.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gLoR1k00B2ymm843ULoRlT; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:48:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:48:25 +0000 (UTC) From: stubrennan@comcast.net To: Jere Teepen s=q20121106; t=1356554905; bh=l+piwLSNSF8lJz0wlIj7rdbvIqeB/mCIYX7nRokAs7M=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=bR5TKxf2KdVocFJiiN8Os3Ip9G3poom8eb5IIzr7sptuR7ctqH+CeRNOqpfZ02A6L gCjgr2RDzK1H2gT0l92UGJWqeVq9/uVBYI0ECxNJWuShHSwAkRxDnbwaQtDn+E5UW9 UonvMWjeD+hzN+nV00Fk9LxUHsh5/h1vZptgIzP237A9CXdFjWZqL383p2ZbWehTv+ U2dn0JFyel8s2FRLhWftJ7ft2tdEScHTFxQZUMq6vjhw1Nk4qG/eHZTd0nUF10cNbE +noww6SsKs1nrecY7a7rR6VhcrsHp7oqwJdp5fpEToQjKzH8KgV8CrtyaU4NFIxmxo Wr+tlomkQnGHw== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] No Tiger Content - Sports Car ID Help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Speaking of the now identified mystery car, has anyone noticed December in the soon to be obsolete Classic Motorsports Calendar? A coincidence? Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 21:41:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527964055E for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:41:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE754051C for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E93621C000088 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 23:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mqc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mqc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.141]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B84FBE000085 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 23:39:01 -0500 (EST) From: H2Otor@aol.com Full-name: H2Otor Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 23:39:01 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1356583141; bh=L2I6E1VQhsY3NbrqzQcr00JOBm80xhd9eido7Pdv/QA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MEKz2JTo8OLfVJbEVvWoxAnXcl6Wepn9pG27jAkvZByjzOloiHvs5CW/Xvd1gXRgL Zjzf2/rLnRb7LwM5nkV8no3gBYAu/9Z9tqCz7H3Bd1/OEnstvaXx/QDVrfyGNaokb7 e1ef5uh1wLlgafh+29y6OB5ks+LPIIml8LeOfLZ8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c50dbd0e50ddf Subject: [Tigers] TIGER CONVERTIBLE TOP STRAPS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tiger convertible top Gary Winblad Actually early cars had three straps. And they had "loops" sewed to the top to hold them (Like belt loops on pants). I agree with Gary Winblad on the convertible top straps. I have a 1964 Tiger #B9470515. I base the below information on the convertible top that was on my 1964 Tiger when I bought it used in the spring of 1967. I used the convertible top for one year and then purchased a factory hard top which made the car warmer in the winter and I left it on the car year round. I removed the convertible top and frame and stored it in my parents spare bedroom/store room for the next 25 years and installing it back on the car when I restored the Tiger in 1995. The top has three nylon straps riveted to the back top bow above the rear window, one on each side and one in the middle. They go forward to the middle top bow and are riveted to it. From the middle top bow there are three gray elastic straps that go to the front rail that clamps to the top of the windshield frame. The middle elastic strap goes directly to the middle of the rail that clamps to the windshield frame. The elastic straps on the drivers side and passenger side each go thru a belt type loop that is sewn to the top about half way between the middle top bow and the front rail that clamps to the windshield. There are three indents in the front metal rail that clamps to the windshield where the elastic straps go over the rail and under the vinyl top fabric. When I reinstalled the soft top the three gray elastic straps were almost deteriorated away. I would bend them and they would flak off dust and chunks of hard rubber so I cut them off of the soft top. I have what is left of the gray elastic straps stored away somewhere with the original other parts I saved when I restored the Tiger. Hopefully I did not thoroughly confuse you trying to describe the top straps. John Watertor _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 23:23:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D75440E37 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 23:23:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691864053D for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 23:22:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gVus1k0041GXsucACWLuYe; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 06:20:54 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gWLt1k00H2xZMJ48UWLt1z; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 06:20:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 06:20:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: H2Otor@aol.com s=q20121106; t=1356589254; bh=+nkj4GUgc6+UZMui4r7RMoCZaENK5ghsRXXYJyC0Wz4=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=rXKLGofuyVovMNgBxYe8yNLLN5KQuEIf+qm50aSuRF5yev+hQsRoaHzN4K+pOVxd+ QSqSoy+S6e7vD26eSX93Af2abeea+IXCVXTE6NUIWu0qDd/AaIM2ZlS1Tn9nuhnsNs jfTqV5eOZAi3X8Ff0i9hRyIeClX5eJdU27wIfw4y59J47+YzkDFexI5t7JtB5wMEyy 4RrW0SSbdtOqMOcCg+mmf9+TkA5bxcjGHzu6jMcicTcqP7iXSS5m29Y5+WiCYZyNcZ xIL/xVOKcZrrrInbZZOpsUmOLdxmBwuR3w+wDZuVmFKjYvEWPU4iQlAP6llRyTDgma jYIN5BRQh5xkg== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TIGER CONVERTIBLE TOP STRAPS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you John! That is exactly the way I remember it.. unfortunately, I removed and later discarded my original top (from B9470622) years ago. By the time I bought my car in 1971, I would have to describe the "elastic" straps as definitely "non-elastic" but definitely grey. I replaced them with some rubbery beige strap material I got at an upolstery shop, the same stuff they sold me to replace the rubber strap material straps under the MK I seats. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: H2Otor@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 04:39:01 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] TIGER CONVERTIBLE TOP STRAPS Tiger convertible top Gary Winblad Actually early cars had three straps. And they had "loops" sewed to the top to hold them (Like belt loops on pants). I agree with Gary Winblad on the convertible top straps. I have a 1964 Tiger #B9470515. I base the below information on the convertible top that was on my 1964 Tiger when I bought it used in the spring of 1967. I used the convertible top for one year and then purchased a factory hard top which made the car warmer in the winter and I left it on the car year round. I removed the convertible top and frame and stored it in my parents spare bedroom/store room for the next 25 years and installing it back on the car when I restored the Tiger in 1995. The top has three nylon straps riveted to the back top bow above the rear window, one on each side and one in the middle. They go forward to the middle top bow and are riveted to it. From the middle top bow there are three gray elastic straps that go to the front rail that clamps to the top of the windshield frame. The middle elastic strap goes directly to the middle of the rail that clamps to the windshield frame. The elastic straps on the drivers side and passenger side each go thru a belt type loop that is sewn to the top about half way between the middle top bow and the front rail that clamps to the windshield. There are three indents in the front metal rail that clamps to the windshield where the elastic straps go over the rail and under the vinyl top fabric. When I reinstalled the soft top the three gray elastic straps were almost deteriorated away. I would bend them and they would flak off dust and chunks of hard rubber so I cut them off of the soft top. I have what is left of the gray elastic straps stored away somewhere with the original other parts I saved when I restored the Tiger. Hopefully I did not thoroughly confuse you trying to describe the top straps. John Watertor _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 27 08:26:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3C142281 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:26:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from pm-bdc2.pmlights.com (pm-bdc2.pmlights.com [65.69.172.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A18740EA5 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:25:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from exchange.pmlights.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pm-bdc2.pmlights.com (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 1B615651912; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:23:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from exchange.pmlights.com (exchange.pmlights.com [65.69.173.154]) by pm-bdc2.pmlights.com with ESMTP id DvZ054uwfIMW7Gkh; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:23:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from MAIL.pmlights.com ([65.69.172.35]) by exchange.pmlights.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:22:16 -0600 Received: from 65.69.172.35 ([65.69.172.35]) by MAIL.pmlights.com ([65.69.172.35]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 15:22:16 +0000 References: <4a072.12f3e711.3e0d2ae4@aol.com> From: "Armacost, Don Jr." thread-topic: [Tigers] TIGER CONVERTIBLE TOP STRAPS thread-index: Ac3kRfQhkoXJZcVRQfavSYEdZMhLdw== Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:23:43 -0600 To: FILETIME=[F4644220:01CDE445] Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] TIGER CONVERTIBLE TOP STRAPS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net As a reference point, B9473374, 28K with original soft top, has three straps exactly as described by John. On Dec 26, 2012, at 10:38 PM, "H2Otor@aol.com" wrote: > Tiger convertible top Gary Winblad > Actually early cars had three straps. > And they had "loops" sewed to the top to hold them (Like belt loops on > pants). > I agree with Gary Winblad on the convertible > top straps. > I have a 1964 Tiger #B9470515. > I base the below information on the convertible top that was on my 1964 > Tiger when I bought it used in the spring of 1967. I used the convertible top > for one year and then purchased a factory hard top which made the car > warmer in the winter and I left it on the car year round. I removed the > convertible top and frame and stored it in my parents spare bedroom/store room for > the next 25 years and installing it back on the car when I restored the > Tiger in 1995. > The top has three nylon straps riveted to the back top bow above the rear > window, one on each side and one in the middle. They go forward to the > middle top bow and are riveted to it. From the middle top bow there are three > gray elastic straps that go to the front rail that clamps to the top of the > windshield frame. The middle elastic strap goes directly to the middle of > the rail that clamps to the windshield frame. The elastic straps on the > drivers side and passenger side each go thru a belt type loop that is sewn to > the top about half way between the middle top bow and the front rail that > clamps to the windshield. There are three indents in the front metal rail > that clamps to the windshield where the elastic straps go over the rail and > under the vinyl top fabric. When I reinstalled the soft top the three gray > elastic straps were almost deteriorated away. I would bend them and they > would flak off dust and chunks of hard rubber so I cut them off of the soft > top. I have what is left of the gray elastic straps stored away somewhere with > the original other parts I saved when I restored the Tiger. > Hopefully I did not thoroughly confuse you trying to describe the top > straps. > John Watertor > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drarmacost@pmlights.com > > When forwarding, use "BCC" and press "Send" only AFTER you have deleted all extraneous email addresses from this email. It's the smart way to share. If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address! It's a courtesy to me and others who may not wish their email addresses sent all over the world, and helps prevent Spammers from mining addresses and viruses from being propagated. 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Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, jeff _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 28 15:32:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C19427A5 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:32:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f52.google.com (mail-la0-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C0E425B2 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:29:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id fq12so1469232lab.25 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 14:27:13 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=M0LPk0asZM3CDnJ/MYgbeDW8y6+MIokt9rdgF8CuGew=; b=v/+7tguDhyv7fWKYi2m//oPrtpWQsQrSIPmNSURCoJd2GVgiS03ErM2JSvvIYkABCS 7Gi5hHLsrBZx10MvJObw1ZO98E7/4kzXeMpOrbjxCuLPoGzXLQ3JmlxR0cw47Iw9PgFI DZF+j8/QHGD0VeNUVdDJ6jaoOzgvIQRDVTV9MHnCkQKpdM5TIg410ZMUQwrHV5cdH4rz YIBL8GReQU+AuKLhq866UYhqTPHsYK8MnROLmXRyt37+BL9HLDgE1gRdxI+W55wkerxA A093QoEFSYQnG9v96o7tSt8dkIipcuJBHqlyUeuaiBOkw0EPATS6h5nxppDEPSh06j4X sjrg== Received: by 10.152.111.166 with SMTP id ij6mr32755350lab.47.1356733633231; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 14:27:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.82.163 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 14:27:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.82.163 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 14:27:13 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 17:27:13 -0500 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: Jeffery Randall , tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] seat finish plate "crinkle paint" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Most auto zone oriellys or advance stores sell it. If not, check a Harley dealer Michael Shortt On Dec 28, 2012 5:23 PM, "Jeffery Randall" wrote: > Hi all, > I'm doing over a set of seats for one of my tigers and can't seem to > locate a place to buy "crinkle or crackle" finish black spray paint. Any > help would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > jeff > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 28 22:48:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74FB4426BF for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:48:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8356F40E4C for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:48:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from homef2683adebd ([unknown] [173.78.146.47]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MFS00KA22OYIPQ1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 23:46:11 -0600 (CST) From: "Scattt" To: "Jeffery Randall" , References: Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 00:46:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] seat finish plate "crinkle paint" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Eastwood also has it! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffery Randall" To: Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:23 PM Subject: [Tigers] seat finish plate "crinkle paint" > Hi all, > I'm doing over a set of seats for one of my tigers and can't seem to > locate a place to buy "crinkle or crackle" finish black spray paint. Any > help would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > jeff > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/scattt@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 29 07:31:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E972B424C7 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:31:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com (mail-oa0-f52.google.com [209.85.219.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3324052F for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:31:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id o6so10370693oag.25 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 06:29:01 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=7BvKPkgYo/YvJ51QjD7xfMSjWxkeUqM9ghnspi83kdE=; b=CXvKerTu6Hdq/MFmUg0/9zsRo71FdM7rapaDnGqNWolvy8EdIyBvnbYGAfcD5xci3n D7QX1T+Nu1bukLvSA5iIxrRj4pDzm0PfrWlRcL2HjWqlBTMyVaiywjQQX/4nQjb/Qzvv 7xKfyC+XhEVq2asFGMPeFcaj1fFqZ8Y00royimiae6QaroH4+6a+lSuGn5DxROyc/1pt iz4JvQPTiijNVJXUawPCqBdmPDHMeuxHOeNJVIEdFrfZCjg/1ypTPHQIY0RbVLPGjlNZ cUTbtXcA9QMcpJH9knmevauJkEkOYL0TbODThSOJbCtiKI4sIXYsJRXeF85J6jCP1w+F 5SNA== x19mr17730079oeh.25.1356791341839; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 06:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([8.28.240.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id aw4sm25841905oec.9.2012.12.29.06.28.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 29 Dec 2012 06:29:00 -0800 (PST) References: <098D89DDAA9A4872BE9E51B67E7669A4@homef2683adebd> From: Cullen McCann Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 08:28:54 -0600 To: Scattt Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Tigers] seat finish plate "crinkle paint" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net And summit racing http://www.summitracing.com/parts/vht-sp201 Cullen Sent from my iPad On Dec 28, 2012, at 11:46 PM, "Scattt" wrote: > Eastwood also has it! > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffery Randall" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:23 PM > Subject: [Tigers] seat finish plate "crinkle paint" > > >> Hi all, >> I'm doing over a set of seats for one of my tigers and can't seem to >> locate a place to buy "crinkle or crackle" finish black spray paint. Any >> help would be greatly appreciated. >> Thanks, >> jeff >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/scattt@verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 29 13:12:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1947E425C5 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 13:12:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from defout.telus.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98402425C1 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 13:12:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from edtncm02 ([199.185.220.224]) by priv-edtnes23.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.8.01.03.00 201-2260-125-20100507) with ESMTP id <20121229201008.WIMH21910.priv-edtnes23.telusplanet.net@edtncm02> for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 13:10:08 -0700 Received: from [10.129.138.216] ([209.91.107.216]) by edtncm02 with bizsmtp id hYA11k00j4g9nMt01YA4nG; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 13:10:08 -0700 cv=6jtoeqxOzn1kPfbNjIqAmtMUSbiYlN9Tn8jtm19dMrM= c=1 sm=2 a=RSBK6zj2SKYA:10 a=UIdm24C_LI4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=9K3YB9EjNl0pbn59Qd0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 References: From: Pointers Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 13:10:00 -0700 To: "jefferyrandall@gmail.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 398 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Possibly closer than you might expect. Got my Hammerite at the local paint store. Great result. Gary > From: Jeffery Randall > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] seat finish plate "crinkle paint" > > Hi all, > I'm doing over a set of seats for one of my tigers and can't seem to > locate a place to buy "crinkle or crackle" finish black spray paint. Any > help would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > jeff _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 30 08:51:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512C6427B5 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 08:51:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D1C40404 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 08:51:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.66]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2A1AD1C00008C; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (unknown [173.169.103.149]) by mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 0BF33E0000D1; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:48:53 -0500 (EST) References: <29CFAFB0-19EC-4AE5-A60E-0E58E7BC639A@telusplanet.net> From: Steve Halbrook Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:48:51 -0500 To: Pointers x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1356882533; bh=mtinfCQpi1Hvmwl1yjKK3mklz0QZbzxdZEOHZ1nowOM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=tI0OkQJ08owCfyF7Z8pH+Zk4N5lxjEEhxS1hjbLrxtEBwPQypNoUHEn+zru2ITIb5 sE0KBiArUVKJdic9dfxpeQImjTurpQWCMA7w0uE8epprWNKwzEm19edmOYXloN1pvp QxvuHRpcYMH3r1n/uU8li2KZSBCUwaFD2a6+ysZo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294250e062631a14 Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 398 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have bought black and red crinkle/ wrinkle paint at Ace Hardware. Steve Halbrook Sent from my iPhone On Dec 29, 2012, at 3:10 PM, Pointers wrote: > Possibly closer than you might expect. Got my Hammerite at the local paint > store. Great result. > > Gary > > >> From: Jeffery Randall >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Tigers] seat finish plate "crinkle paint" >> >> Hi all, >> I'm doing over a set of seats for one of my tigers and can't seem to >> locate a place to buy "crinkle or crackle" finish black spray paint. Any >> help would be greatly appreciated. >> Thanks, >> jeff > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sjhcobra1@cs.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net