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Good Afternoon,
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Hello,
 
I just picked up a set of brake drums to replace my worn originals. They  
are nice and meaty!
 
Having access to a bead blaster, I can take the surface rust off the  
outside, but would like to know what finish of black to paint them. Gloss,  
satin, matte, etc.
 
Any advice on a long-lasting finish would be much appreciated.
 
Best regards,
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 
382002083
LRXFE
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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:29:52 -0500 (EST)
From:  Rollright@aol.com
To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] brake  drums

Hello,

I just picked up a set of  brake drums to replace my worn originals. They  
are nice and  meaty!

Having access to a bead blaster, I can take the surface rust off  the  
outside, but would like to know what finish of black to paint  them. Gloss, 
 
satin, matte, etc.

Any advice on a long-lasting  finish would be much appreciated.

Best regards,

Jim   Armstrong
Mk 1A  
382002083
LRXFE


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Didn't anybody see this?
 
Doesn't anybody have any data?
 
Please?
 
"I just picked up a set of brake drums to replace my worn originals. They  
are nice and thick unlike mine.
 
Having access to a bead blaster, I can take the surface rust off the  
outside, but would like to know what finish of black to paint them. Gloss,  
satin, matte, etc.
 
Any advice on a long-lasting finish would be much appreciated.'
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 
382002083
LRXFE
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Jim;  I would love to help you, but I have 4 wheel disc brakes from Dale A. 
Just sent the message to let you know that you are Not alone and we are 
receiving you request for help.  Jerry and Marlene with the Candy Apple 
Tiger in Oregon.

-----Original Message----- 
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Subject: [Tigers] brake finish...HELLO?

Didn't anybody see this?

Doesn't anybody have any data?

Please?

"I just picked up a set of brake drums to replace my worn originals. They
are nice and thick unlike mine.

Having access to a bead blaster, I can take the surface rust off the
outside, but would like to know what finish of black to paint them. Gloss,
satin, matte, etc.

Any advice on a long-lasting finish would be much appreciated.'

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A
382002083
LRXFE
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I don't know what the correct finish is supposed to be but I painted 
mine with a gloss black and they looked great behind my Panasports.

On 01/04/13 02:54 PM, Rollright@aol.com wrote:
> Didn't anybody see this?
>
> Doesn't anybody have any data?
>
> Please?
>
> "I just picked up a set of brake drums to replace my worn originals. 
> They
> are nice and thick unlike mine.
>
> Having access to a bead blaster, I can take the surface rust off the
> outside, but would like to know what finish of black to paint them. 
> Gloss,
> satin, matte, etc.
>
> Any advice on a long-lasting finish would be much appreciated.'
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083
> LRXFE
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Jim,
Page 174 of the BON shows the rear axle with somewhat shiny brake drums,
most likely gloss black.  This would be if you wish to have 'correct' paint.
I have painted previous drums both glossy and flat black using rust
preventative paint.  You are getting other responses that I also have
received.
Jim McLaughlin
B382000175

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Subject: [Tigers] brake drums

Hello,
 
I just picked up a set of brake drums to replace my worn originals. They  
are nice and meaty!
 
Having access to a bead blaster, I can take the surface rust off the  
outside, but would like to know what finish of black to paint them. Gloss,  
satin, matte, etc.
 
Any advice on a long-lasting finish would be much appreciated.
 
Best regards,
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 
382002083
LRXFE
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I looked through the "Here comes the Judge" (Undercairrage) pages, 171-174 
of TBON.  There was no mention of the factory color for the brake drums. 
The items that were listed as painted were simply referred to as "black." 
There was no mention of the sheen.  My personal experience is that even when 
painted gloss black brake drums fade between flat and semi gloss from the 
sun and heat.  That is if the paint doesn't burn off, then the color is 
rust.

Tom 
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HI Jim:

I thought you would have a better answer by now than I can give you!
But as you know I am also a Brit bike guy of too many years, and most
of the one's I have restored have cast iron cylinder barrels.

Same neighbourhood as cast iron brake drums. I have used Rustoleum
satin black on my cylinder barrels for many years, and on my Tiger
rear brake drums recently. Looks fabulous, and on the bikes - factory
original. I believe if you bead-blast the outside of the drums and
brush on this great old stand-by paint you will not be disappointed.
It does take a while to fully dry and harden,
(several days) so be patient.

Sounds like you are going for a "concours" resto Jim!

Dave



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On 2013-01-04, at 5:59 PM, "Rollright@aol.com" <Rollright@aol.com> wrote:

> Didn't anybody see this?
>
> Doesn't anybody have any data?
>
> Please?
>
> "I just picked up a set of brake drums to replace my worn originals. They
> are nice and thick unlike mine.
>
> Having access to a bead blaster, I can take the surface rust off the
> outside, but would like to know what finish of black to paint them. Gloss,
> satin, matte, etc.
>
> Any advice on a long-lasting finish would be much appreciated.'
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083
> LRXFE
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Jim:

Forgot to mention to specify Rustoleum "high temp" satin black......

Dave



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On 2013-01-04, at 6:30 PM, Thomas Witt <atwittsend@verizon.net> wrote:

> I looked through the "Here comes the Judge" (Undercairrage) pages, 171-174
of TBON.  There was no mention of the factory color for the brake drums. The
items that were listed as painted were simply referred to as "black." There
was no mention of the sheen.  My personal experience is that even when painted
gloss black brake drums fade between flat and semi gloss from the sun and
heat.  That is if the paint doesn't burn off, then the color is rust.
>
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I just used some black BBQ paint I got a t Lowes.  Don't want it to burn off 
from all that brake heat, after all.  It looks fine behind my Western 
Minilite clones.

Stu 
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Jim  Armstrong
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It somewhat depends on the wheels you have. Aluminum wheels with smaller 
spokes show the drum more; if you want the drums to be out of sight then 
satin or matte is the way to go. The lower gloss finishes will also hide 
surface imperfections better.

Any good high temperature paint will do nicely. The various engine 
paints (you can get them in low-gloss or flat black) should be good at 
the temperatures your drums will see. The beadblasting should provide a 
great prep surface, just make sure you get all the blasting dust off - 
wipe the drums with enamel reducer, lacquer thinner, or the like, before 
painting.

I have to do something like this to the inner bell (hat) on my rear discs.
Theo

On 1/4/2013 2:54 PM, Rollright@aol.com wrote:
> Didn't anybody see this?
>   
> Doesn't anybody have any data?
>   
> Please?
>   
> "I just picked up a set of brake drums to replace my worn originals. They
> are nice and thick unlike mine.
>   
> Having access to a bead blaster, I can take the surface rust off the
> outside, but would like to know what finish of black to paint them. Gloss,
> satin, matte, etc.
>   
> Any advice on a long-lasting finish would be much appreciated.'
>   
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083
> LRXFE
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Hello,
 
Some data
 
When my engine blew, (cam gear striped 4 teeth, and the orig.  260 is 
certainly an interference design), I rebuilt with an Edelbrock  F4B manifold and 
no servo installed.
 
Just had the servo rebuilt, and it now is hooked up to the F4B. Tim  
Webster in B.C. wanted to know how it was done, and I thought there might  be 
others.
 
There is a brass plug at the rear end of the manifold, 3/8" NPT (pipe).  
Remove this and screw in a;
90 Degree brass fitting,  3/8 NPT X 3/8 hose. Use thread sealer on the  
brass fitting going into the F4B.
Connect the yellow/black hose that goes back to the servo.
 
Pictures available,  (just ask).  Note that the fitting is  in a snug 
place! But it works.
 
Best to all,  

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A  
382002083
LRXFE
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From: "Joe Brown" <jbbrown1980@gmail.com>
To: <Rollright@aol.com>, <tigers@autox.team.net>
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I plan on rebuilding my engine soon. The original owner had put a Ford 4
barrel intake on it back in 1966 and I was wondering if it would make much
difference if I swapped it out for one of these Edelbrock aluminum
manifolds.  I know it would save a lot of weight but other than that would I
see any real performance difference?

Thanks.
Joe Brown


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Subject: [Tigers] vacuum hook-up to F4B manifold

Hello,
 
Some data
 
When my engine blew, (cam gear striped 4 teeth, and the orig.  260 is
certainly an interference design), I rebuilt with an Edelbrock  F4B manifold
and no servo installed.
 
Just had the servo rebuilt, and it now is hooked up to the F4B. Tim Webster
in B.C. wanted to know how it was done, and I thought there might  be
others.
 
There is a brass plug at the rear end of the manifold, 3/8" NPT (pipe).  
Remove this and screw in a;
90 Degree brass fitting,  3/8 NPT X 3/8 hose. Use thread sealer on the brass
fitting going into the F4B.
Connect the yellow/black hose that goes back to the servo.
 
Pictures available,  (just ask).  Note that the fitting is  in a snug place!
But it works.
 
Best to all,  

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A
382002083
LRXFE
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Here is a Tiger for sale.  The ad was sent to me by a neighbor who is
watching be build my car.

 

The first link is the Craigslist ad and the second is more pictures on the
CAT forum.  This is a project car in a fairly rare color Balmore Grey. 

 

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/3504769973.html 

 

http://catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=1773
<http://catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=1773&page=6> &page=6 

 

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It has been pointed out that I mistakenly identified CC 19 as Balmoral Grey.
I know it is Moonstone.

I was thinking if the car was Balmoral Grey I might be interested but it was
Moonstone.

I guess age is catching up with me. J

 

Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse

P.S. Commodore Blue will be ready for Tigers United 35.  I have some
pictures on Facebook if want to see the progress I am making.
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I'm in st pete bch for the winter so close, I should go look and  excuse to
drive my mk2


-----Original Message-----
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To: tigers <tigers@Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 11:34 am
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale


Here is a Tiger for sale.  The ad was sent to me by a neighbor who is
watching be build my car.



The first link is the Craigslist ad and the second is more pictures on the
CAT forum.  This is a project car in a fairly rare color Balmore Grey.



http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/3504769973.html



http://catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=1773
<http://catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=1773&page=6> &page=6



Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse
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The F4B is a medium-high rise manifold and has decent size ports. At least
some of the original cast-iron four-barrel manifolds (as well as one of the
Tiger-labeled aluminum manifolds) were low-rise and they don't offer nearly
the breathing capability of the F4B or more mordern aftermarket manifolds, so
you will likely see a difference other than just with the weight savings.

Theo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Brown
> Sent: January 5, 2013 11:02 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Tigers] vacuum hook-up to F4B manifold
>
> I plan on rebuilding my engine soon. The original owner had put a Ford
> 4 barrel intake on it back in 1966 and I was wondering if it would make
> much difference if I swapped it out for one of these Edelbrock aluminum
> manifolds.  I know it would save a lot of weight but other than that
> would I see any real performance difference?
>
> Thanks.
> Joe Brown
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 8:47 AM
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> Hello,
>
> Some data
>
> When my engine blew, (cam gear striped 4 teeth, and the orig.  260 is
> certainly an interference design), I rebuilt with an Edelbrock  F4B
> manifold and no servo installed.
>
> Just had the servo rebuilt, and it now is hooked up to the F4B. Tim
> Webster in B.C. wanted to know how it was done, and I thought there
> might  be others.
>
> There is a brass plug at the rear end of the manifold, 3/8" NPT (pipe).
> Remove this and screw in a;
> 90 Degree brass fitting,  3/8 NPT X 3/8 hose. Use thread sealer on the
> brass fitting going into the F4B.
> Connect the yellow/black hose that goes back to the servo.
>
> Pictures available,  (just ask).  Note that the fitting is  in a snug
> place!
> But it works.
>
> Best to all,
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083
> LRXFE
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I know this is short notice, but the Petersen Museum in Los Angeles is having
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12. Bring your Shelby and get discounted parking, Tigers included.

I just got the notice from Hemmings a few minutes ago. For more info, check
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Lucky west coasters. I look out on snow and salty roads.
 
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Subject: [Tigers]  Shelby Cruise-In @ Petersen Museum

I know this is short notice, but the Petersen  Museum in Los Angeles is 
having
a Cruise-In to honor Carroll Shelby this  coming Saturday 9am until 2pm, 
January
12. Bring your Shelby and get  discounted parking, Tigers included.

I just got the notice from  Hemmings a few minutes ago. For more info, check
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I'm not sure this request got out to the list the last time I tried.

 

Does anybody know if Paul Brehuan is still making the dry transfer lettering
for the dashes?  He hasn't responded to my emails.

 

Thanks,

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>
Did you try contacting him through his website info?
http://www.breuhan.com/index.html

Cheers,
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To: Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca>, tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Board Lettering
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I found a system a while ago that would work where you transfer the image from
a 
black and white laser printer on special plastic then do some magic to pull
the 
image off and transfer it to the dash. It may have been for electronic
enclosures and looked like it would be OK if transfered to the dash then a
layer 
of urethane over it. 


I may have mentioned it a few years back here
on the list, but ended up getting 
a dashboard with then already on it.

Sandy
----- Original Message ----
From: Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca>
To:
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Sent: Tue, January 8, 2013 7:27:06 PM
Subject: Re:
[Tigers] Dash Board Lettering

On 1/8/2013 7:38 PM, Joe Brown wrote:
>
> Does
anybody know if Paul Brehuan is still making the dry transfer lettering
> for
the dashes?  He hasn't responded to my emails.
>
>
Did you try contacting him
through his website info?
http://www.breuhan.com/index.html

Cheers,
Theo
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There's also water-slide decal paper intended for model railroad use:
http://www.mcgpaper.com/decalpro.html

You need to have an inkjet printer (with white ink - this could be 
tricky to find but IIRC it is available) and the clear decal film.

Theo

On 1/8/2013 9:17 PM, Sandy Ganz wrote:
> I found a system a while ago that would work where you transfer the image from a
> black and white laser printer on special plastic then do some magic to pull the
> image off and transfer it to the dash. It may have been for electronic
> enclosures and looked like it would be OK if transfered to the dash then a layer
> of urethane over it.
>
>
> I may have mentioned it a few years back here on the list, but ended up getting
> a dashboard with then already on it.
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca>
> To: tigers@autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, January 8, 2013 7:27:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Board Lettering
>
> On 1/8/2013 7:38 PM, Joe Brown wrote:
>> Does anybody know if Paul Brehuan is still making the dry transfer lettering
>> for the dashes?  He hasn't responded to my emails.
>>
>>
> Did you try contacting him through his website info?
> http://www.breuhan.com/index.html
>
> Cheers,
> Theo
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Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:52:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Sandy Ganz <sganz@pacbell.net>
To: Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca>, tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Board Lettering
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You might also try searching for "Rub on Transfer Film" it seems like you
might 
be able to find a bunch of companys that now make the film. I don't
know if 
these could be coated with laquor or urethane but the one that I had
seen a long 
while ago could as I recall. Also I think you could use different
colors after 
you did the intial Black print. 


The paper is not to expensive
and if you are good with the graphics you might 
give it a go.

Sandy



-----
Original Message ----
From: Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca>
To:
tigers@autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, January 8, 2013 7:27:06 PM
Subject: Re:
[Tigers] Dash Board Lettering

On 1/8/2013 7:38 PM, Joe Brown wrote:
>
> Does
anybody know if Paul Brehuan is still making the dry transfer lettering
> for
the dashes?  He hasn't responded to my emails.
>
>
Did you try contacting him
through his website info?
http://www.breuhan.com/index.html

Cheers,
Theo
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Dear Tiger group,
the day has come where I have to let my cat go. As you know it is my daily driver and now we have a second child on the way, so I can't squeeze 2 child seats in the back. SO here is the listing below.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1966-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk1A-with-289-V8-Red-White-Hardtop-TACd-Shelby-/140904118104?_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&forcev4exp=true#ht_1259wt_1167




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B382000262 LRXFE
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:13:06 -0600
From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com>
To: Sandy Ganz <sganz@pacbell.net>
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Okay, I found Paul.  When I swapped emails with him a couple of years ago
he was using a hotmail account.  Now he is using prbeuhan@yahoo.com.
Somebody else on the list sent me a link to Paul's website but all I found
on there was a phone number.  But while I was looking through samples of
his advertising work I saw one example that included his email address.

I also did some research on the type of solution that Sandy suggested.
There are several products out there but most of them cannot produce a
white label because ink jet or laser printers don't do white.  I found one
called DecalPro at
http://www.pulsarprofx.com/decalpro/Vertical/1_MENU/1b_Overview/Overview.html
that
would work.  Their process involves printing your design on their material
using a laser printer.  And then you sandwich that page with a colored foil
and run it through a hot laminator.  The color (and white is one of the
colors)  sticks to the toner and when you rub it on your dashboard (or
whatever) all you see is the color.

Now that I have hooked up with Paul I am going to buy my labels from him.
But DecalPro might be useful for other projects.

Thanks,
Joe Brown

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Sandy Ganz <sganz@pacbell.net> wrote:

> You might also try searching for "Rub on Transfer Film" it seems like you
> might
> be able to find a bunch of companys that now make the film. I don't
> know if
> these could be coated with laquor or urethane but the one that I had
> seen a long
> while ago could as I recall. Also I think you could use different
> colors after
> you did the intial Black print.
>
>
> The paper is not to expensive
> and if you are good with the graphics you might
> give it a go.
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
> -----
> Original Message ----
> From: Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca>
> To:
> tigers@autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, January 8, 2013 7:27:06 PM
> Subject: Re:
> [Tigers] Dash Board Lettering
>
> On 1/8/2013 7:38 PM, Joe Brown wrote:
> >
> > Does
> anybody know if Paul Brehuan is still making the dry transfer lettering
> > for
> the dashes?  He hasn't responded to my emails.
> >
> >
> Did you try contacting him
> through his website info?
> http://www.breuhan.com/index.html
>
> Cheers,
> Theo
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From: Sandy Ganz <sganz@pacbell.net>
To: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com>
Cc: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Board Lettering
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The kit I saw was very similar to that, if that wasn't it. Thought it would be
good since it was not inkjet based and seemed like it could be durable enough
to 
coat with urethane. Not sure if that's what paul was doing, but if he's
got it, 
will likely be a better way to go since he can help with the tricks
of 
installation!

Sandy




________________________________
From: Joe Brown
<jbbrown1980@gmail.com>
To: Sandy Ganz <sganz@pacbell.net>
Cc: Theo Smit
<tsmit@shaw.ca>; tigers@autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, January 9, 2013 12:13:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Board Lettering


Okay, I found Paul.  When I
swapped emails with him a couple of years ago he was 
using a hotmail
account.  Now he is using prbeuhan@yahoo.com.  Somebody else on 
the list sent
me a link to Paul's website but all I found on there was a phone 
number.  But
while I was looking through samples of his advertising work I saw 
one example
that included his email address.

I also did some research on the type of
solution that Sandy suggested.  There 
are several products out there but most
of them cannot produce a white label 
because ink jet or laser printers don't
do white.  I found one called DecalPro
at http://www.pulsarprofx.com/decalpro/Vertical/1_MENU/1b_Overview/Overview.h
tml that
 would work.  Their process involves printing your design on their
material 
using a laser printer.  And then you sandwich that page with a
colored foil and 
run it through a hot laminator.  The color (and white is one
of the colors)  
sticks to the toner and when you rub it on your dashboard (or
whatever) all you 
see is the color.  


Now that I have hooked up with Paul I
am going to buy my labels from him.  But 
DecalPro might be useful for other
projects.

Thanks,
Joe Brown


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Sandy Ganz
<sganz@pacbell.net> wrote:

You might also try searching for "Rub on Transfer
Film" it seems like you
>might
>be able to find a bunch of companys that now
make the film. I don't
>know if
>these could be coated with laquor or urethane
but the one that I had
>seen a long
>while ago could as I recall. Also I think
you could use different
>colors after
>you did the intial Black print.
>
>
>The paper is not to expensive
>and if you are good with the graphics you
might
>give it a go.
>
>
>Sandy
>
>
>
>-----
>Original Message ----
>From:
Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca>
>To:
>tigers@autox.team.net
>Sent: Tue, January 8,
2013 7:27:06 PM
>Subject: Re:
>[Tigers] Dash Board Lettering
>
>On 1/8/2013
7:38 PM, Joe Brown wrote:
>>
>
>> Does
>anybody know if Paul Brehuan is still
making the dry transfer lettering
>> for
>the dashes?  He hasn't responded to
my emails.
>>
>>
>
>Did you try contacting him
>through his website info?
>http://www.breuhan.com/index.html
>
>Cheers,
>Theo
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Gentlemen, offline, could you tell me what metro area of New York you are near?
Buffalo, Albany, NYC?

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I messed up.  I have a typo in Paul's email address below.  It should be
prbreuhan@yahoo.com .  But the last time he replied to me he said he prefers
to use the prbreuhan@hotmail.com account.  So try the Hotmail account first
and then the Yahoo account.

 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

 

From: Joe Brown [mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:13 PM
To: Sandy Ganz
Cc: Theo Smit; tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Board Lettering

 

Okay, I found Paul.  When I swapped emails with him a couple of years ago he
was using a hotmail account.  Now he is using prbeuhan@yahoo.com.  Somebody
else on the list sent me a link to Paul's website but all I found on there
was a phone number.  But while I was looking through samples of his
advertising work I saw one example that included his email address.

 

I also did some research on the type of solution that Sandy suggested.
There are several products out there but most of them cannot produce a white
label because ink jet or laser printers don't do white.  I found one called
DecalPro at
http://www.pulsarprofx.com/decalpro/Vertical/1_MENU/1b_Overview/Overview.htm
l that would work.  Their process involves printing your design on their
material using a laser printer.  And then you sandwich that page with a
colored foil and run it through a hot laminator.  The color (and white is
one of the colors)  sticks to the toner and when you rub it on your
dashboard (or whatever) all you see is the color.  

 

Now that I have hooked up with Paul I am going to buy my labels from him.
But DecalPro might be useful for other projects.

 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Sandy Ganz <sganz@pacbell.net> wrote:

You might also try searching for "Rub on Transfer Film" it seems like you
might
be able to find a bunch of companys that now make the film. I don't
know if
these could be coated with laquor or urethane but the one that I had
seen a long
while ago could as I recall. Also I think you could use different
colors after
you did the intial Black print.


The paper is not to expensive
and if you are good with the graphics you might
give it a go.


Sandy



-----
Original Message ----
From: Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca>
To:
tigers@autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, January 8, 2013 7:27:06 PM
Subject: Re:
[Tigers] Dash Board Lettering

On 1/8/2013 7:38 PM, Joe Brown wrote:
>

> Does
anybody know if Paul Brehuan is still making the dry transfer lettering
> for
the dashes?  He hasn't responded to my emails.
>
>

Did you try contacting him
through his website info?
http://www.breuhan.com/index.html

Cheers,
Theo
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Re: Ebay listing # 281050103812

If anyone of you guys out there is interested in this car and would like some
history on it, don't hesitate to contact me on this list.  I am a former owner
of this car.  It was my first Tiger (bought in October of '79).  In fact, I
was the one who put the American Racing Libre wheels on it way back then.  As
you can see, the car is a very early Mk1, and it shows to still be registered
to me in TBON.

The car deserves to be built back correctly and I hope it finds a home with
someone who will do just that.  It was really a cool car back when I owned it
(before it got wrecked by a later owner).  It also has some National SCCA
autocross history as well with the owner prior to the fella I bought it from.

Please don't hesitate to contact me if you want further info.  I have no
financial stake at all in the car; I only want to see it go to someone who
will build it back to it's former glory.

Thanks,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9470058LRXFE (former owner)
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Looks kinda bent.  Must have taken quite a hit.  I wonder how messed up 
the frame is.

On 01/13/13 08:46 PM, awtiger wrote:
> Re: Ebay listing # 281050103812
>
> If anyone of you guys out there is interested in this car and would 
> like some
> history on it, don't hesitate to contact me on this list.  I am a
> former owner
> of this car.  It was my first Tiger (bought in October of '79).  In 
> fact, I
> was the one who put the American Racing Libre wheels on it way back 
> then.  As
> you can see, the car is a very early Mk1, and it shows to still be 
> registered
> to me in TBON.
>
> The car deserves to be built back correctly and I hope it finds a 
> home with
> someone who will do just that.  It was really a cool car back when I 
> owned it
> (before it got wrecked by a later owner).  It also has some National 
> SCCA
> autocross history as well with the owner prior to the fella I bought 
> it from.
>
> Please don't hesitate to contact me if you want further info.  I have 
> no
> financial stake at all in the car; I only want to see it go to 
> someone who
> will build it back to it's former glory.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
> B9470058LRXFE (former owner)
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3 Tigers coming up next weekend at the Kissimmee, FL  Auction.

Mark

 
_http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-145003&entryRow=
180_ 
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293_ 
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_http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-143184&entryRow=
301_ 
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From: Dave Munroe <dave@munroe.ca>
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Thanks Mark!

I hope these cars set a new benchmark for Tiger prices. (Bold-face
self interest! )

The first two photos of the third car, (the Carnival Red early Tiger),
shows the elusive soft top straps that run from the central top bow
forward to the front where it attaches to the header rail.

This was a topic brought up by Jim "rollright" Armstrong a few weeks
back. The second photo of the interior is dark, but if you blow it up
and look carefully you can see the strap. It also shows in the first
photo as a longitudinal ridge on the top from the front to the rear.

Much ado about something now actually seen.

Dave (with too much time on his hands!)

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> 3 Tigers coming up next weekend at the Kissimmee, FL  Auction.
>
> Mark
>
>
> _http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-145003&entryRow=
> 180_
> (http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-145003&entryRow=180)
> _http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-142726&entryRow=
> 293_
> (http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-142726&entryRow=293)
> _http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-143184&entryRow=
> 301_
> (http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-143184&entryRow=301)
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I must have missed that thread.  My SV Alpine has that strap, and it is
more of a white color.  I'm the second owner of the car and it was in
pretty much original condition when we bought it in 1975.  Though, I still
can't guaranty that it came from the company that way.  I replaced the top
at some point, but kept the original strap and mountings.

As I recall, dad's Tiger has the original top on it, in the boot.  But, I
don't think it has been opened since he bought the car and got the
hardtop.  So, sorry, I'm not going to open it to see what is in there!

Jay

On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Dave Munroe <dave@munroe.ca> wrote:

> Thanks Mark!
>
> I hope these cars set a new benchmark for Tiger prices. (Bold-face
> self interest! )
>
> The first two photos of the third car, (the Carnival Red early Tiger),
> shows the elusive soft top straps that run from the central top bow
> forward to the front where it attaches to the header rail.
>
> This was a topic brought up by Jim "rollright" Armstrong a few weeks
> back. The second photo of the interior is dark, but if you blow it up
> and look carefully you can see the strap. It also shows in the first
> photo as a longitudinal ridge on the top from the front to the rear.
>
> Much ado about something now actually seen.
>
> Dave (with too much time on his hands!)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2013-01-14, at 6:53 PM, "CoolVT@aol.com" <CoolVT@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > 3 Tigers coming up next weekend at the Kissimmee, FL  Auction.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > _
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-145003&entryRow=
> > 180_
> > (
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-145003&entryRow=180
> )
> > _
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-142726&entryRow=
> > 293_
> > (
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-142726&entryRow=293
> )
> > _
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-143184&entryRow=
> > 301_
> > (
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-143184&entryRow=301
> )
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Does anyone know a good attorney in the Cleveland area?  I need someone who
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Two Tigers on ebay.  One bent, the other rusty.  Which one would you 
choose as a restoration project and driver?

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Rusty!!!   especially this one which is not very rusty. Although the bent
car has added provenance with its black dash. I have brought a tiger
back...to some extent...from certain death, so i know what its like to fix
something no one else would want to fix, and the red car is gonna be hard
to fix. the rusty car is a piece of cake.

Fun to think about!

Cullen
Yukon, Ok
B382001452 LROFE
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Dear CoolVt,
 
I would have missed it but for you. Well spotted !
 
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 
382002083
LRXFE
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I have set up a website to handle future orders, now that the
images have been digitized I can order smaller quanitities
of units for those who may wish to order jackets, hoodies, etc.

Several of you have by now recieved your jackets,
would love some feedback to share.

It is now located here

www.motowear.us

Thanks,

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Speaking of Tigers on Ebay, the red car, B9470058, is my old ride from the
late '70's-early '80's time frame.  It was one fast mamma-jamma when I had it,
which leads me to a little tidbit about the car.  I bought that car in October
of '79 from a fellow in Oklahoma City named Bob McCord.  He, in turn, had
purchased it from a guy named Skip Laughlin, who I believe now resides in
Dallas, TX.  Anyway, Skip had hotted up the transplanted 289 engine that was
in it and had done some suspension work to it as well and was actively
competing in SCCA Solo II events in and around Oklahoma.  It was during this
time (somewhere back in the mid-'70's) that Skip qualified to compete with the
car in the SCCA National Solo II "Runoffs".  If I remember correctly, his
class was "B-Prepared" and he took second place to the National Champion in
his class.  So, one could say this Tiger has a little "competition" history,
depending upon your definition of competition.  Somewhere back in my archives,
I have an SCCA Magazine (I think it may have been a copy of the Oklahoma
Region's SCCA rag called "The Gasket Gazette") from that time frame with a
photo of this car on the cover taking an autocross gate in anger.  If anyone
has the means to verify this story via SCCA records or something like that,
start looking in the '73 and later time frame and, somewhere during that time,
you'll find Skip Laughlin's name mentioned with his B-Prepared Tiger...the one
you see here.

One other thing about that car that always intrigued me as a young man (I
bought it when I was 19 years old) was the tachometer.  It had an "American
Scientific" tach in it (I'll never forget that name).  I'd never heard of one
and have never seen another one since, but it had both a built-in adjustable
shift light and rev limiter that utilized stalks protruding from the face of
the tach.  I can see by the pics that the owner has sent me that this tach is
still in place.  The story was that Skip put that tach in the car when he was
autocrossing it, and it probably saved his bacon a time or two, I'm thinking.
The car also had a reallly nice Moto-lita steering wheel, too, but I can see
in the pics that it's become a little worse for wear.  As for the short Cobra
gear stick in the car?  I put that in there, and I also was the one who
installed the American Racing Libre wheels, too.  You'll find the car still
registered to me in TBON as well.  Man...I was just entering the University of
Oklahoma and was still living at home with my folks when I sent that
registration info in to George Fallehy...ahhhhh, the memories!!!!

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740



---- Cullen McCann <cmccann1972@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rusty!!!   especially this one which is not very rusty. Although the bent
> car has added provenance with its black dash. I have brought a tiger
> back...to some extent...from certain death, so i know what its like to fix
> something no one else would want to fix, and the red car is gonna be hard
> to fix. the rusty car is a piece of cake.
>
> Fun to think about!
>
> Cullen
> Yukon, Ok
> B382001452 LROFE
> TAC 840
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Bob Dixon <bobdixon@frii.com> wrote:
>
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Tod Brown brought something up in a topic we've been discussing.
 
I asked him if Tiger IIs had bags for windshield washing like the Alpine  V.
 
He said no, but now he's not so sure. I thought they did, but the parts  
book is sort of vague.
 
Anybody remember?
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 
382002083
LRXFE
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RE washer  bags/bottles in MKII they definitely used a bottle.  A picture is
attached of mine.  The later MKII's used a slightly shorter fatter bottle than
the early cars and they are impossible to find and not reproduced.  Last
correct late MKII bottle I saw for sale went for $1,000!
 
If I am sending this to the wrong part of the forum please let me know how to
properly post.  I don't post that often.  Thanks

Dave Gilmore
Leawood, Ks

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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:43:11 +1100
From: michael king <michael.s.king@gmail.com>
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The MKII Tigers used a shorter fatter washer bottle made by Tudor. They
also have a unique cage for it.. very very rare.

On 17 January 2013 08:19, <Rollright@aol.com> wrote:

> Tod Brown brought something up in a topic we've been discussing.
>
> I asked him if Tiger IIs had bags for windshield washing like the Alpine
>  V.
>
> He said no, but now he's not so sure. I thought they did, but the parts
> book is sort of vague.
>
> Anybody remember?
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083
> LRXFE
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Registration forms are now available for TUXXXV which will be held in Big
Bear, CA in late June.

The host hotel is filling fast. There are only 20 unreserved rooms now left in
the hotel during TU.

We'll be celebrating the 50th anniversary of the building of the
Shelby/Boskoff prototype. Doug Lyle plans to bring the prototype for display
during the TU.

Details are available at http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=1706

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Speaking of tigers on eBay, as you know I listed my Tiger last week. Bidding ended on Monday with a final price of 36,000. I am very happy with the end result and it surely will help everyone in the club with their car value. Two important learning points about selling my car, all mods should be reversible (bolt on) and stock parts should be part of the deal. The other is the importance of the TAC. I received multiple calls on these two issues and I think that is why the car did so well. Of course when I am in a market again for a tiger, things may be even more pricey. Oh well. 

As for a replacement, I was looking for a sports car that was rare, could seat two adults and two child seats (blasphemy) and was as much fun as the tiger. I first looked at some cheaper ferraris like the 308gt4 and the 400i, then the Mondial, and finally the Porsche 928gts. All could not properly accommodate two kids seats. Then I saw the car I purchased on eBay. 2008 Audi RS4 Cabriolet. Great car. Twice the space and horsepower of the tiger. (Of course twice the weight). But one of three hundred imported to the US. and like the tiger it comes with a 4.2 liter v8. 

Anyway I'll still follow you guys and come to some track events to live vicariously through you!

Rob

Formerly - 1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC# 0519
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I went the crossfire srt6 route. two of them for less than  the cost  of the
audi. And they are AMG powered.    .  They are cutting edge. But,  no room for
child seat.     gary moore b947 2283 tac 311.    

--- On Thu, 1/17/13, Carlo Bernardino <crbdino@me.com> wrote:

From: Carlo Bernardino <crbdino@me.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger's on Ebay
To: "Bob Dixon" <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 6:16 AM

Speaking of tigers on eBay, as you know I listed my Tiger last week. Bidding
ended on Monday with a final price of 36,000. I am very happy with the end
result and it surely will help everyone in the club with their car value. Two
important learning points about selling my car, all mods should be reversible
(bolt on) and stock parts should be part of the deal. The other is the
importance of the TAC. I received multiple calls on these two issues and I
think that is why the car did so well. Of course when I am in a market again
for a tiger, things may be even more pricey. Oh well.

As for a replacement, I was looking for a sports car that was rare, could seat
two adults and two child seats (blasphemy) and was as much fun as the tiger. I
first looked at some cheaper ferraris like the 308gt4 and the 400i, then the
Mondial, and finally the Porsche 928gts. All could not properly accommodate
two kids seats. Then I saw the car I purchased on eBay. 2008 Audi RS4
Cabriolet. Great car. Twice the space and horsepower of the tiger. (Of course
twice the weight). But one of three hundred imported to the US. and like the
tiger it comes with a 4.2 liter v8.

Anyway I'll still follow you guys and come to some track events to live
vicariously through you!

Rob

Formerly - 1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC# 0519
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 A short while back, a handful of listers were looking for the instructions to
install the F4B intake. I knew I had a really old copy in jpg format (it's one
page), but couldn't open the Zip disc that it was on.

Finally, the disc worked this morning, and I saved a copy on my desktop, if
the same 'handful' of you still need them.

They were issued by International Automobile Inc, and they have carburetor selection
info, so I think they were meant to go with an LAT kit. When I get home this
evening, I'll check to see if anyone wants a copy. Again, this is a single page
jpg of a very tired and apparently Scotch taped copy with legible text and two
so-so photos.

Rande
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Depends how much you pay for the Audi;). 29,500 for an 08 RS4 Cab. Granted new it was over 80,000. And it's one of 300 in the US. That's Tiger Mk II rare and then some.
Rob

Carlo Rob Bernardino, MD FACS
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Monterey, CA

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> 
> I went the crossfire srt6 route. two of them for less than  the cost  of the audi. And they are AMG powered.    .  They are cutting edge. But,  no room for child seat.     gary moore b947 2283 tac 311.     
> 
> --- On Thu, 1/17/13, Carlo Bernardino <crbdino@me.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Carlo Bernardino <crbdino@me.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger's on Ebay
> To: "Bob Dixon" <tigers@autox.team.net>
> Date: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 6:16 AM
> 
> Speaking of tigers on eBay, as you know I listed my Tiger last week. Bidding ended on Monday with a final price of 36,000. I am very happy with the end result and it surely will help everyone in the club with their car value. Two important learning points about selling my car, all mods should be reversible (bolt on) and stock parts should be part of the deal. The other is the importance of the TAC. I received multiple calls on these two issues and I think that is why the car did so well. Of course when I am in a market again for a tiger, things may be even more pricey. Oh well. 
> 
> As for a replacement, I was looking for a sports car that was rare, could seat two adults and two child seats (blasphemy) and was as much fun as the tiger. I first looked at some cheaper ferraris like the 308gt4 and the 400i, then the Mondial, and finally the Porsche 928gts. All could not properly accommodate two kids seats. Then I saw the car I purchased on eBay. 2008 Audi RS4 Cabriolet. Great car. Twice the space and horsepower of the tiger. (Of course twice the weight). But one of three hundred imported to the US. and like the tiger it comes with a 4.2 liter v8. 
> 
> Anyway I'll still follow you guys and come to some track events to live vicariously through you!
> 
> Rob
> 
> Formerly - 1966 Mk1A Tiger
> B382000262 LRXFE
> JAL660245
> Color Code 39: Carnival Red
> TAC# 0519
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There are six - count 'em -six - Tigers up for auction at Mecum in  
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S196.  That last one is something else! 
 
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Just in case you need to add to your collection,

check out the Barrett Jackson Auction, Scottsdale, AZ this Saturday.

The Original Batmobile is going on the block.

An interesting car Before becoming the Batmobile.

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Thanks Dan, the only car with worse overheating issues than a tiger!

On 18 January 2013 03:59, <spmdr@juno.com> wrote:

> Just in case you need to add to your collection,
>
> check out the Barrett Jackson Auction, Scottsdale, AZ this Saturday.
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> The Original Batmobile is going on the block.
>
> An interesting car Before becoming the Batmobile.
>
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The first assignment I had at Ford when I hired in was doing some updates  
on the Futura and getting it ready for a show.
 
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I think it was TTAC (The Truth About Cars) site that did a recent discussion
of the Batmobile, part of it being someone was offering to make copies of it
for sale, and part of the response back from posters was a slam on George Barris
for his conversion of a FoMoCo prototype Lincoln Futura into Batman&Robin's
ride.

I should ask John how many versions Ford built of the Futura, as the most popular
photo is of the white car from around 1955-6, but in the Glenn Ford / Debbie
Reynolds 1959 film 'It Started with a Kiss', one of the stars of that film was
a red version of the Futura. Was there at least two cars, or just another paint
job for the only one?

At the time, and a little later, American manufacturers were prone to destroying
show cars when they were done with them, because even driveable cars weren't
deemed safe enough to sell to the public, so I was fine with Ford turning a
Futura over to Barris. Nowadays, folks like Chicago's Joe Bortz go out of their
way to find and restore old prototypes, while reassuring car makers that they
won't drive their prototypes to the supermarket. 
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I want to thank Stu Brennan for taking the time to digitally enhance the instructions
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Hi Rande:

This topic caught my eye, and the process of destroying these one-off 
prototypes always curled my toes for some reason.

But the practice continues today, at least here in Canada with early issue 
homologation and show special motorcycles. I have a friend who owned an 
excavation company, so had access to many large pieces of heavy equipment. 
He had the contract a while back for destroying these otherwise brand new 
bikes, and as he was an avid biker, it pained him to do the job of trucking 
them to a landfill and driving over them with a D9 Cat.

Regarding the number and fate of the Lincoln Futuras, here is what Wikipedia 
says about it:

"In 1966 Barris was requested to design a theme car for the Batman 
television series. Originally the auto stylist Dean Jeffries was contracted 
to build the car for the show in late 1965, but when the studio wanted the 
car faster than he could deliver, the project was handed to Barris. With the 
short notice, Barris thought the Futura might work well, and using Jeffries 
initial car, decided that its unusual winged shape would be an ideal 
starting point for the Batmobile. Barris hired Bill Cushenberry to do the 
metal modifications to the car. Barris went on to build three fiberglass 
replicas using the frames and running gear from 1966 Ford Galaxie cars for 
the show circuit, three of which were covered with a felt-like flocking 
finish in the 1970s. Barris later acquired a fourth replica, a metal car 
built on a 1958 Thunderbird.
After its conversion to the Batmobile, Barris continued to retain ownership 
of the car, leasing it to the TV studio for filming. After production of the 
TV series ended, Barris continued to own the car, which was displayed in 
Barris' own museum in California. It has been displayed in the Cayman Motor 
Museum on Grand Cayman Island.

Barris is offering the Batmobile for sale to the highest bidder, during the 
Barrett-Jackson collector car auction, Saturday, January 19, 2013 in 
Scottsdale AZ."



From: "rande" <rande@thecia.net>
To: <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 10:26 AM
Subject: [Tigers] off Topic - Batmobile/Futura


>I think it was TTAC (The Truth About Cars) site that did a recent 
>discussion
> of the Batmobile, part of it being someone was offering to make copies of 
> it
> for sale, and part of the response back from posters was a slam on George 
> Barris
> for his conversion of a FoMoCo prototype Lincoln Futura into 
> Batman&Robin's
> ride.
>
> I should ask John how many versions Ford built of the Futura, as the most 
> popular
> photo is of the white car from around 1955-6, but in the Glenn Ford / 
> Debbie
> Reynolds 1959 film 'It Started with a Kiss', one of the stars of that film 
> was
> a red version of the Futura. Was there at least two cars, or just another 
> paint
> job for the only one?
>
> At the time, and a little later, American manufacturers were prone to 
> destroying
> show cars when they were done with them, because even driveable cars 
> weren't
> deemed safe enough to sell to the public, so I was fine with Ford turning 
> a
> Futura over to Barris. Nowadays, folks like Chicago's Joe Bortz go out of 
> their
> way to find and restore old prototypes, while reassuring car makers that 
> they
> won't drive their prototypes to the supermarket.
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This car sat out day and night in No Hollywood at the corner of Lankershim  
and Riverside. Guess George wanted someone to steal it.
 
 
In a message dated 1/18/2013 6:26:36 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rande@thecia.net writes:

I think  it was TTAC (The Truth About Cars) site that did a recent 
discussion
of the  Batmobile, part of it being someone was offering to make copies of 
it
for  sale, and part of the response back from posters was a slam on George  
Barris
for his conversion of a FoMoCo prototype Lincoln Futura into  Batman&Robin's
ride.

I should ask John how many versions Ford  built of the Futura, as the most 
popular
photo is of the white car from  around 1955-6, but in the Glenn Ford / 
Debbie
Reynolds 1959 film 'It  Started with a Kiss', one of the stars of that film 
was
a red version of  the Futura. Was there at least two cars, or just another 
paint
job for the  only one?

At the time, and a little later, American manufacturers were  prone to 
destroying
show cars when they were done with them, because even  driveable cars 
weren't
deemed safe enough to sell to the public, so I was  fine with Ford turning a
Futura over to Barris. Nowadays, folks like  Chicago's Joe Bortz go out of 
their
way to find and restore old prototypes,  while reassuring car makers that 
they
won't drive their prototypes to the  supermarket.  
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and there it is, right inside the window on Google Earth.

https://plus.google.com/117510700539546497868/about?gl=US&hl=en-US&ved=0CAYQ2QY&sa=X&ei=XJ75UMmrA4m6twf80ICQBw


Michael Shortt

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, <AAAGLASSS@aol.com> wrote:

> This car sat out day and night in No Hollywood at the corner of Lankershim
> and Riverside. Guess George wanted someone to steal it.
>
>
> In a message dated 1/18/2013 6:26:36 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> rande@thecia.net writes:
>
> I think  it was TTAC (The Truth About Cars) site that did a recent
> discussion
> of the  Batmobile, part of it being someone was offering to make copies of
> it
> for  sale, and part of the response back from posters was a slam on George
> Barris
> for his conversion of a FoMoCo prototype Lincoln Futura into
>  Batman&Robin's
> ride.
>
> I should ask John how many versions Ford  built of the Futura, as the most
> popular
> photo is of the white car from  around 1955-6, but in the Glenn Ford /
> Debbie
> Reynolds 1959 film 'It  Started with a Kiss', one of the stars of that film
> was
> a red version of  the Futura. Was there at least two cars, or just another
> paint
> job for the  only one?
>
> At the time, and a little later, American manufacturers were  prone to
> destroying
> show cars when they were done with them, because even  driveable cars
> weren't
> deemed safe enough to sell to the public, so I was  fine with Ford turning
> a
> Futura over to Barris. Nowadays, folks like  Chicago's Joe Bortz go out of
> their
> way to find and restore old prototypes,  while reassuring car makers that
> they
> won't drive their prototypes to the  supermarket.
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Good Afternoon,
Here is a reminder of the upcoming TAC Event for Januuary 26th.
 
 
We have scheduled our first TAC Event of 2013 on Saturday January 26th at the
home of Steve and Carole Halbrook in Valrico, Florida.(Valrico is very close
to Tampa.) We will start around 10:30 am. Whether you have a car to be
inspected or just want to talk Tigers, drop by.
Steve and Carole's address is:
2857 Timber Knoll Drive
Valrico, Florida 33594
Should you have any questions, please call me at 704-564-3831.

Paul
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Yes, it used to bother me, too, that American manufacturers and their Canadian
affiliates were destroying their history by scrapping their prototypes. But,
as we read more about the public's increased willingness to bring suit, it makes
a little more sense that manufactures don't want to be unnecessarily liable.


And, as I said before, some show cars are not practical. I worked for the local
auto museum about 22 years ago when ILZRO (the Lead and Zinc Research Organization)
donated a Lamborghini Miura that they had modified to show off lead and zinc
uses for cars. The car was originally a Lamborghini Miura Spider one-off show
car, so it was unusually low, too much so for running over almost anything in
the road or using any standard curb cut, and it had neither a top or side door
glass. Most show cars are even less practical.
Thank heaven for guys like Joe Bortz, who have the resources and will to save
many discarded prototypes and show cars.

I went to school in the Valley, and had been by the Barris showroom several
times. You'll notice that he now owns the Monkeemobile. When I commuted to Hollywood
for work, I passed the Dean Jeffries shop each trip(you could see it from the
Hollywood Freeway). He's responsible for building the Monkeymobile, his shop
was about ten minutes from Barris, and the Monkeymobile was parked outside for
maybe three or four years. Go to Wikipedia.org for MM info. Dean Jeffries shop
was also close to Ken Miles shop (what a slim Tiger connection that is).

As an aside, John Logan recalls only seeing the white Lincoln Futura show car.
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I have 4   show cars . Chrysler Crossfires  . It went from prototype to
production in one year. Fantastic car. Beautiful,  Very fast and handles like
a Norton.  gary moore b9472283. 
--- On Sat, 1/19/13, rande <rande@thecia.net> wrote:

From: rande <rande@thecia.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Off-topic - Batmobile
To: "Dave Munroe" <dave@munroe.ca>
Cc: tigers@autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, January 19, 2013, 6:24 PM

Yes, it used to bother me, too, that American manufacturers and their
Canadian
affiliates were destroying their history by scrapping their prototypes. But,
as we read more about the public's increased willingness to bring suit, it
makes
a little more sense that manufactures don't want to be unnecessarily liable.


And, as I said before, some show cars are not practical. I worked for the
local
auto museum about 22 years ago when ILZRO (the Lead and Zinc Research
Organization)
donated a Lamborghini Miura that they had modified to show off lead and zinc
uses for cars. The car was originally a Lamborghini Miura Spider one-off show
car, so it was unusually low, too much so for running over almost anything in
the road or using any standard curb cut, and it had neither a top or side
door
glass. Most show cars are even less practical.
Thank heaven for guys like Joe Bortz, who have the resources and will to save
many discarded prototypes and show cars.

I went to school in the Valley, and had been by the Barris showroom several
times. You'll notice that he now owns the Monkeemobile. When I commuted to
Hollywood
for work, I passed the Dean Jeffries shop each trip(you could see it from the
Hollywood Freeway). He's responsible for building the Monkeymobile, his shop
was about ten minutes from Barris, and the Monkeymobile was parked outside
for
maybe three or four years. Go to Wikipedia.org for MM info. Dean Jeffries
shop
was also close to Ken Miles shop (what a slim Tiger connection that is).

As an aside, John Logan recalls only seeing the white Lincoln Futura show
car.
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I grew up in the valley as well and love to see the Logan's Run cars at Jeffries too. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From: "rande" <rande@thecia.net>
To: Dave Munroe<dave@munroe.ca>
Cc: <tigers@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Off-topic - Batmobile

Yes, it used to bother me, too, that American manufacturers and their Canadian
affiliates were destroying their history by scrapping their prototypes. But,
as we read more about the public's increased willingness to bring suit, it makes
a little more sense that manufactures don't want to be unnecessarily liable.


And, as I said before, some show cars are not practical. I worked for the local
auto museum about 22 years ago when ILZRO (the Lead and Zinc Research Organization)
donated a Lamborghini Miura that they had modified to show off lead and zinc
uses for cars. The car was originally a Lamborghini Miura Spider one-off show
car, so it was unusually low, too much so for running over almost anything in
the road or using any standard curb cut, and it had neither a top or side door
glass. Most show cars are even less practical.
Thank heaven for guys like Joe Bortz, who have the resources and will to save
many discarded prototypes and show cars.

I went to school in the Valley, and had been by the Barris showroom several
times. You'll notice that he now owns the Monkeemobile. When I commuted to Hollywood
for work, I passed the Dean Jeffries shop each trip(you could see it from the
Hollywood Freeway). He's responsible for building the Monkeymobile, his shop
was about ten minutes from Barris, and the Monkeymobile was parked outside for
maybe three or four years. Go to Wikipedia.org for MM info. Dean Jeffries shop
was also close to Ken Miles shop (what a slim Tiger connection that is).

As an aside, John Logan recalls only seeing the white Lincoln Futura show car.
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From: Tim Konrad <tim.konrad@genco.com>
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Thread-Topic: B9472650 LRXFE JAL 562153 for sale in Michigan
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Folks,

Would like to get any insight any of you may have on this particular Tiger.
Before driving 6 hours as a wasted trip, knowledge is priceless......

Thanks in advance from a new member.

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Hello Tim,
  Welcome to the list.

 Is there any link to the ad regarding this Tiger?  I did a quick check of 
Ebay, but the only Tiger was from Houston.  I looked at Craig's List, but 
not knowing an area more specific than "Michigan" complicates the search 
process (there are 18 geographic locations).

With a litle more information I'm sure someone on the list can assist you.

Tom

> Folks,
>
> Would like to get any insight any of you may have on this particular 
> Tiger.
> Before driving 6 hours as a wasted trip, knowledge is priceless......
>
> Thanks in advance from a new member.
>
> Tim.....
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Tom, et al.

A quick google search revealed the car for sale on classic cars website.

http://classiccars.com/listing-385009/1966-sunbeam-tiger-for-sale-in-kentwood
-michigan-49512.html

Cullen


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On Jan 19, 2013, at 9:42 PM, "Thomas Witt" <atwittsend@verizon.net> wrote:

> Hello Tim,
> Welcome to the list.
>
> Is there any link to the ad regarding this Tiger?  I did a quick check of
Ebay, but the only Tiger was from Houston.  I looked at Craig's List, but not
knowing an area more specific than "Michigan" complicates the search process
(there are 18 geographic locations).
>
> With a litle more information I'm sure someone on the list can assist you.
>
> Tom
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Would like to get any insight any of you may have on this particular
Tiger.
>> Before driving 6 hours as a wasted trip, knowledge is priceless......
>>
>> Thanks in advance from a new member.
>>
>> Tim.....
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From: "Teepen, Jere" <jteepen@usatoday.com>
To: "rande@thecia.net" <rande@thecia.net>, Dave Munroe <dave@munroe.ca>
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:09:00 -0500
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You mention Dean Jeffries as the builder of the Monkeemobile and I recall an
article (somewhere?) regarding Jeffrie's distain for Barris because Barris was
taking credit for building Monkeemobile.  I am not sure how that panned out.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of rande
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Yes, it used to bother me, too, that American manufacturers and their Canadian
affiliates were destroying their history by scrapping their prototypes. But,
as we read more about the public's increased willingness to bring suit, it
makes a little more sense that manufactures don't want to be unnecessarily
liable.


And, as I said before, some show cars are not practical. I worked for the
local auto museum about 22 years ago when ILZRO (the Lead and Zinc Research
Organization) donated a Lamborghini Miura that they had modified to show off
lead and zinc uses for cars. The car was originally a Lamborghini Miura Spider
one-off show car, so it was unusually low, too much so for running over almost
anything in the road or using any standard curb cut, and it had neither a top
or side door glass. Most show cars are even less practical.
Thank heaven for guys like Joe Bortz, who have the resources and will to save
many discarded prototypes and show cars.

I went to school in the Valley, and had been by the Barris showroom several
times. You'll notice that he now owns the Monkeemobile. When I commuted to
Hollywood for work, I passed the Dean Jeffries shop each trip(you could see it
from the Hollywood Freeway). He's responsible for building the Monkeymobile,
his shop was about ten minutes from Barris, and the Monkeymobile was parked
outside for maybe three or four years. Go to Wikipedia.org for MM info. Dean
Jeffries shop was also close to Ken Miles shop (what a slim Tiger connection
that is).

As an aside, John Logan recalls only seeing the white Lincoln Futura show
car.
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Jerry,
I have no information about a possible animosity between Mr. Barris and Mr.
Jeffries. What I know is that the listing for the Monkeemobile on www.wikipedia.org
and other sites show what now is Dean Jeffries Auto Styling (3077 Cahuenga Blvd
West, L.A.90068) as the fabricator, and that Barris now has the car in his possession.

Obviously, both companies were in the same business (customizing cars for Hollywood
productions)

I can personally verify that the car was parked outside the Dean Jeffries firm
for years, in the early 1970's.

If you have an interest in the story, and you'd like to report on it, Dean Jeffries
and George Barris are still around, and possibly Jim Wangers in Michigan, who
was the Pontiac advertising rep and may have had something to do with the choice
of the Pontiac GTO as the starting point for the MM.

Rande Bellman
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I know the guy and looked at the car last summer, have now heard it run
but the guy is meticulous so I am sure it is near perfect. It is a tiger
and if you are serious it would be worth the trip. I am a couple of
miles away so if you wish I could check it out.

Bob
B382001318

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Witt [mailto:atwittsend@verizon.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 10:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] B9472650 LRXFE JAL 562153 for sale in Michigan

Hello Tim,
  Welcome to the list.

 Is there any link to the ad regarding this Tiger?  I did a quick check
of
Ebay, but the only Tiger was from Houston.  I looked at Craig's List,
but
not knowing an area more specific than "Michigan" complicates the search

process (there are 18 geographic locations).

With a litle more information I'm sure someone on the list can assist
you.

Tom

> Folks,
>
> Would like to get any insight any of you may have on this particular
> Tiger.
> Before driving 6 hours as a wasted trip, knowledge is priceless......
>
> Thanks in advance from a new member.
>
> Tim.....
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Rande:

After last Saturday evening, George and his family are likely in Hawaii or some other idyllic location on an extended holiday....

Dave


------Original Message------
From: rande
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ReplyTo: rande@thecia.net
Subject: [Tigers] off topic again -  Dean Jeffries
Sent: 22 Jan 2013 7:42 AM

Jerry,
I have no information about a possible animosity between Mr. Barris and Mr.
Jeffries. What I know is that the listing for the Monkeemobile on www.wikipedia.org
and other sites show what now is Dean Jeffries Auto Styling (3077 Cahuenga Blvd
West, L.A.90068) as the fabricator, and that Barris now has the car in his possession.

Obviously, both companies were in the same business (customizing cars for Hollywood
productions)

I can personally verify that the car was parked outside the Dean Jeffries firm
for years, in the early 1970's.

If you have an interest in the story, and you'd like to report on it, Dean Jeffries
and George Barris are still around, and possibly Jim Wangers in Michigan, who
was the Pontiac advertising rep and may have had something to do with the choice
of the Pontiac GTO as the starting point for the MM.

Rande Bellman
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Aside from all that glorious tan interior, it looks like it's got a 
Falcon generator bracket.  Doesn't that mess up the belt alignment?

JD

At 04:50 AM 1/22/2013, Robert J. Wanty wrote:
>I know the guy and looked at the car last summer, have now heard it run
>but the guy is meticulous so I am sure it is near perfect. It is a tiger
>and if you are serious it would be worth the trip. I am a couple of
>miles away so if you wish I could check it out.
>
>Bob
>B382001318
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From: "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit@dynastream.com>
To: J D Johnson <j_d_johnson@earthlink.net>, "tigers@autox.team.net"
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Thread-Topic: [Tigers] B9472650 LRXFE JAL 562153 for sale in Michigan
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It can be aligned properly if it also has matching water pump and crank
pulleys, but if it does, then the crank pulley will be far enough forward to
saw through the rack tube. Ask me how I know that ;)

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J D Johnson
> Sent: January 22, 2013 9:15 AM
> To: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] B9472650 LRXFE JAL 562153 for sale in Michigan
>
> Aside from all that glorious tan interior, it looks like it's got a
> Falcon generator bracket.  Doesn't that mess up the belt alignment?
>
> JD
>
> At 04:50 AM 1/22/2013, Robert J. Wanty wrote:
> >I know the guy and looked at the car last summer, have now heard it
> run
> >but the guy is meticulous so I am sure it is near perfect. It is a
> >tiger and if you are serious it would be worth the trip. I am a couple
> >of miles away so if you wish I could check it out.
> >
> >Bob
> >B382001318
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Forwarding to the list... Not sure why it's not posting on your behalf. You
might check the subscription information (use the link provided in the list's
monthly subscription reminder)

Theo

From: Bill Waite [mailto:fordlandia@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: January 22, 2013 1:48 PM
To: Robert J. Wanty; Smit, Theo; Thomas Witt; J D Johnson
Subject: RE: B9472650 LRXFE for sale in Michigan

Tiger Listers...

Yesterday I went to the GR Auto Gallery to look at the Mark I Tiger.  For some
reason, messages I have been sending to the Tiger List are not getting
received and/or posted for Tiger listers.  Please see the message (below) sent
to the list regarding the BRG Mark I.  The message did not get included in
Digests and doesn't show-up in the team.net archives (not sure why).

Bill
Grand Rapids, MI


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Sent: Mon, January 21, 2013 3:42:52 PM
Subject: B9472650 LRXFE for sale in Michigan
I posted some high resolution photos of the car on Flicker.  Hope the link
works.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/18417287@N02/sets/72157632576189963/

Please note that if you "right click" on any of the images during the slide
show, you will get options to see higher resolution images.  I think the
photos pretty much speak for themselves as to the quality of the restoration
(or lack thereof).  I'm not interested in the car, and do not recognize it as
a local vehicle.  It is said to have been sold at the GR Auto Gallery many
years ago to someone in California and now it has been returned for resale.
No clue as to the accuracy of any of the claims made regarding the car.

If anyone wants to ask me something specific about the car, or wonders what my
overall opinion of it is, please contact me directly as I'd rather not post
them online.

Regards,

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI

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Hello there
 
I've been all set lately.......
 
Anything I can do to help?
 
Jim Armstrong
 
 
In a message dated 1/22/2013 4:11:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
fordlandia@sbcglobal.net writes:

 
Hi Jim,


I am having trouble getting messages through to the Tiger List.  I  noticed 
that you posted something about it... any response yet?  My email  to the 
operator of the list is unanswered thus far.


Thanks,


Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI
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I posted some high resolution photos of the car on Flicker.  Hope the link 
works.  

http://www.flickr.com/photos/18417287@N02/sets/72157632576189963/


Please note that if you "right click" on any of the images during the slide 
show, you will get options to see higher resolution images.  I think the photos 
pretty much speak for themselves as to the quality of the restoration (or lack 
thereof).  I'm not interested in the car, and do not recognize it as a local 
vehicle.  It is said to have been sold at the GR Auto Gallery many years ago to 
someone in California and now it has been returned for resale.  No clue as to 
the accuracy of any of the claims made regarding the car.

If anyone wants to ask me something specific about the car, or wonders what my 
overall opinion of it is, please contact me directly as I'd rather not post them 
online.

Regards,

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI  
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Bill:

 

Excellent documentation shots that tell a sorry tale of a poor resto and
less than easy life.  Nice job.

 

Lon
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Thanks to those who have already sent in your Registrations.

54 rooms have already been reserved.  16 more left. Get 'em while we've got
'em.

Since a number of participants are staying in cabins they own at Big Bear, and
many others will make day trips, this is shaping up to be a great event.

Can't wait for June!

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Is the list down?  I haven't seen any discussion of the Tigers that Mecum has in their auction in Kissimmee, FL this weekend.  Am I the only one watching this???

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
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The list is up..
I looked last night, only 2 are sold.
The black one with wire wheels went for $65K and the blue one with blue softop
went for $54K  IIRC.
Wow, I didn't realize until last week but that auction is long...
Gary

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Is the list down?  I haven't seen any discussion of the Tigers that Mecum has in their auction in Kissimmee, FL this weekend.  Am I the only one watching this???

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740
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Wow, that list is long.


Did you see this guy's version of a Tiger in a Pinto?

http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-144847&entryRow=1949



How about this guy's version of a Tiger in TR6?
http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-151174&entryRow=1949



And finally, what about this guy's version of a Tiger in a ? Tiger?
http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-143524&entryRow=1949




On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Gary Winblad <garywinblad@comcast.net>wrote:

> The list is up..
> I looked last night, only 2 are sold.
> The black one with wire wheels went for $65K and the blue one with blue
> softop
> went for $54K  IIRC.
> Wow, I didn't realize until last week but that auction is long...
> Gary
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Hi Jay,
I'm pretty sure that the last one has been established (through all the
previous eBay auctions this car has been in) as the builder's version of a
Tiger in an Alpine.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman
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>
> Wow, that list is long.
>
>
> Did you see this guy's version of a Tiger in a Pinto?
>
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-
> 144847&entryRow=1949
>
>
>
> How about this guy's version of a Tiger in TR6?
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-
> 151174&entryRow=1949
>
>
>
> And finally, what about this guy's version of a Tiger in a ? Tiger?
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-
> 143524&entryRow=1949
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Gary Winblad
> <garywinblad@comcast.net>wrote:
>
> > The list is up..
> > I looked last night, only 2 are sold.
> > The black one with wire wheels went for $65K and the blue one with
> > blue softop went for $54K  IIRC.
> > Wow, I didn't realize until last week but that auction is long...
> > Gary
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>From what I see, the blue car with blue top didn't make the reserve @ $54k,
another blue one is scheduled for 5:05 tonight, the red one with the 'pie'
wheels will be @ 7:10 and the 427 car @ 5:10 tomorrow...


Jim
B382000446



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Smit, Theo
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:06 AM
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Hi Jay,
I'm pretty sure that the last one has been established (through all the
previous eBay auctions this car has been in) as the builder's version of a
Tiger in an Alpine.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- 
> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman
> Sent: January 25, 2013 10:02 AM
> To: Gary Winblad
> Cc: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mecum Tigers
>
> Wow, that list is long.
>
>
> Did you see this guy's version of a Tiger in a Pinto?
>
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-
> 144847&entryRow=1949
>
>
>
> How about this guy's version of a Tiger in TR6?
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-
> 151174&entryRow=1949
>
>
>
> And finally, what about this guy's version of a Tiger in a ? Tiger?
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-
> 143524&entryRow=1949
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Gary Winblad
> <garywinblad@comcast.net>wrote:
>
> > The list is up..
> > I looked last night, only 2 are sold.
> > The black one with wire wheels went for $65K and the blue one with 
> > blue softop went for $54K  IIRC.
> > Wow, I didn't realize until last week but that auction is long...
> > Gary
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:19:44 -0600
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do we know if that last one, the prostreet/ protouring sunbeam was/ is a
real tiger chassis to start with? ( obviously not for the purist, might not
even be for the NON purist, LOL. but i will say, if you like that sort of
thing, its done very well. if its life started out as an Alpine...i would
like it...ALOT. i couldnt cut up a Tiger like that...but...yeah....i could
cut up an Alpine like that. Sorry alpine club.
Cullen


On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow, that list is long.
>
>
> Did you see this guy's version of a Tiger in a Pinto?
>
>
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-144847&entryRow=1949
>
>
>
> How about this guy's version of a Tiger in TR6?
>
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-151174&entryRow=1949
>
>
>
> And finally, what about this guy's version of a Tiger in a ? Tiger?
>
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-143524&entryRow=1949
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Gary Winblad <garywinblad@comcast.net
> >wrote:
>
> > The list is up..
> > I looked last night, only 2 are sold.
> > The black one with wire wheels went for $65K and the blue one with blue
> > softop
> > went for $54K  IIRC.
> > Wow, I didn't realize until last week but that auction is long...
> > Gary
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On 01/25/2013 09:01 AM, Jay Laifman wrote:
> Wow, that list is long.
>
>
> Did you see this guy's version of a Tiger in a Pinto?
>
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-144847&entryRow=1949
Actually, absent the large nostrils poking up out of the hood, I like 
the clean looking front end.  Somehow Pintos seem to look best (to me) 
in black.  It reminded me of the Pinto Pangra, though when I went 
looking I realized that my memory of the Pangra  hadn't included its 
pop-up headlights.
http://blog.cardomain.com/2008/05/23/incredible-pint/

>
>
>
> How about this guy's version of a Tiger in TR6?
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-151174&entryRow=1949
Why, oh _why_ didn't Roots use a longer wheelbase and 15" rims for the 
Tiger?! Oh, well. :-)

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I think the 427 "Tiger" was at the Kissimmee auction last year as a 'no  
sale'. I think last year it used some kind of disclaimer language so it wasn't 
 offered as a pure Tiger. This year it just says Tiger leading one to 
believe  that it was/is.
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I don't think that Mecum is that careful with their descriptions. Last 
year, I recollect they had a Tiger for sale and they claimed that the 
tranny was a Borg-Warner, although the shift lever looked stock.  When I 
inquired, they said basically, "Well, that's what the owner said".  So 
much for actually crawling under the car.

I also didn't think the blue Tiger sold. The last bid was $54,000, but 
it didn't meet reserve. I've had a hard time getting onto their web site 
to verify as the traffic seems to be quite heavy.

Tod
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If I remember correctly last year the 427 car went 55k reserve not met, and
the restored original one with a 5 bolt 289 went for 70k

On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Tod Brown <todbrown@roadrunner.com> wrote:

> I don't think that Mecum is that careful with their descriptions. Last
> year, I recollect they had a Tiger for sale and they claimed that the
> tranny was a Borg-Warner, although the shift lever looked stock.  When I
> inquired, they said basically, "Well, that's what the owner said".  So much
> for actually crawling under the car.
>
> I also didn't think the blue Tiger sold. The last bid was $54,000, but it
> didn't meet reserve. I've had a hard time getting onto their web site to
> verify as the traffic seems to be quite heavy.
>
> Tod
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WOW!  The red car went to $110 and didn't meet reserve... the auctioneer was
mumbling something and I think he said it would take at least $120k to buy
it...

The blue car with LAT 70 wheels didn't sell either with bids to $58k



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>From what I see, the blue car with blue top didn't make the reserve @ $54k,
another blue one is scheduled for 5:05 tonight, the red one with the 'pie'
wheels will be @ 7:10 and the 427 car @ 5:10 tomorrow...


Jim
B382000446



-----Original Message-----
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Hi Jay,
I'm pretty sure that the last one has been established (through all the
previous eBay auctions this car has been in) as the builder's version of a
Tiger in an Alpine.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
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>
> Wow, that list is long.
>
>
> Did you see this guy's version of a Tiger in a Pinto?
>
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-
> 144847&entryRow=1949
>
>
>
> How about this guy's version of a Tiger in TR6?
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-
> 151174&entryRow=1949
>
>
>
> And finally, what about this guy's version of a Tiger in a ? Tiger?
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-
> 143524&entryRow=1949
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Gary Winblad
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>
> > The list is up..
> > I looked last night, only 2 are sold.
> > The black one with wire wheels went for $65K and the blue one with 
> > blue softop went for $54K  IIRC.
> > Wow, I didn't realize until last week but that auction is long...
> > Gary
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:55:27 -0800
From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com>
To: jim <jim@island.net>
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mecum Tigers
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Wow!  To $110 for this car?
http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-143184&entryRow=2469

Are we really over 6 figures for the best cars?

On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:32 PM, jim <jim@island.net> wrote:

> WOW!  The red car went to $110 and didn't meet reserve... the auctioneer
> was
> mumbling something and I think he said it would take at least $120k to buy
> it...
>
> The blue car with LAT 70 wheels didn't sell either with bids to $58k
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of jim
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> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mecum Tigers
>
> From what I see, the blue car with blue top didn't make the reserve @ $54k,
> another blue one is scheduled for 5:05 tonight, the red one with the 'pie'
> wheels will be @ 7:10 and the 427 car @ 5:10 tomorrow...
>
>
> Jim
> B382000446
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Smit, Theo
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:06 AM
> To: Jay Laifman; Gary Winblad
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> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mecum Tigers
>
> Hi Jay,
> I'm pretty sure that the last one has been established (through all the
> previous eBay auctions this car has been in) as the builder's version of a
> Tiger in an Alpine.
>
> Theo
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman
> > Sent: January 25, 2013 10:02 AM
> > To: Gary Winblad
> > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mecum Tigers
> >
> > Wow, that list is long.
> >
> >
> > Did you see this guy's version of a Tiger in a Pinto?
> >
> > http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-
> > 144847&entryRow=1949
> >
> >
> >
> > How about this guy's version of a Tiger in TR6?
> > http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-
> > 151174&entryRow=1949
> >
> >
> >
> > And finally, what about this guy's version of a Tiger in a ? Tiger?
> > http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-
> > 143524&entryRow=1949
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Gary Winblad
> > <garywinblad@comcast.net>wrote:
> >
> > > The list is up..
> > > I looked last night, only 2 are sold.
> > > The black one with wire wheels went for $65K and the blue one with
> > > blue softop went for $54K  IIRC.
> > > Wow, I didn't realize until last week but that auction is long...
> > > Gary
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Tigers, 


I'm sending this from frigid western Massachusetts and thinking about springtime and Tigering. 
Does anyone know where I might obtain a lower valance for my Mk 1A? 


Thanks in advance. 


Tym McDowell 
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If you're asking about the front valance, I don't know if Tiger Tom is still
selling those, but mine for the 1A came from him around 1992. If you strike
out with TT, I would check Rick McLeod and Sunbeam Specialties.

I know the big Alpine West Midlands in the UK might still sell those, but the
shipping might be a little high. They might still have a PDF catalogue to download.


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An update. Lot T139 bid to $54,000 not yet sold. Lot F205 sold for $59,000.
Lot F261 bid to $110,000 not yet sold. Lot S196, Resto Mod car has not crossed
the block yet. Lot K167 sold for $65,000. Some very nice cars, and probably
the most Tigers seen at auction in quite a while.

Regards

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Victoria British has them (no affiliation). I think they are glass and I 
have heard complaints about the quality/fit. Link is below.

http://www.victoriabritish.com/features/sun/SUNBD1.htm

Jim

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If you're asking about the front valance, I don't know if Tiger Tom is still
selling those, but mine for the 1A came from him around 1992. If you strike
out with TT, I would check Rick McLeod and Sunbeam Specialties.

I know the big Alpine West Midlands in the UK might still sell those, but 
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Hello Tym,
 
I must say that I prefer SS and Rick in most matters, I checked and  
Victoria British has an apron listed in their e-catalog for about $ 650.
 
Maybe someone can comment from experience on this item.


Jim  Armstrong
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Tigers,  


I'm sending this from frigid western Massachusetts and thinking  about 
springtime and Tigering. 
Does anyone know where I might obtain a lower  valance for my Mk 1A? 


Thanks in advance. 


Tym McDowell  
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Back in 2001/02, when my car was being restored, I needed a valence.  I 
checked the usual sources (Rick and Curt) but their supply had dried up 
so, despite the negatives I had heard, I ordered one from VB.  It fit 
nicely and the body man had no particular issues with it. I don't know 
how many suppliers are left in the world, but there can't be too many 
left. Those who remain must be producing decent stuff to still be 
around. Just my two pence.

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hey have a look http://bit.ly/YhOQ7C

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Somewhere in the blast/painting processes one of my trunk hinge springs was
misplaced.  The ~12" long spring that holds the trunk open (?).   There are
several Alpine(?) springs on ebay, with a coil sticking out to the side.  The
one I'm looking for is more streamlined, with all coils parallel.  Anyone have
a line on one, or an extra they'd be willing to part with?
Karl AdeyMk 1
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I wasn't sure what you meant.  So I went onto ebay to see the listing.  Now
I see what you mean.  I had never seen an Alpine trunk spring like that,
with the one perpendicular loop.  I'm assuming those were from the Series 1
and 2 cars.  I have owned a S3, SIV and V.  And none of those had that
extra loop.

Meanwhile, I have to point out this gem:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUNBEAM-ALPINE-IV-ORIGINAL-TRUNK-SPRINGS-COVERS-/280070390666?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item41357f038a&vxp=mtr

The guys says "*THERE WERE ONLY 12,406 CARS MADE IN THE WORLD. I HAVE SET
THE PRICES HIGH TO ALLOW PROSPECTIVE BUYERS IN OTHER COUNTRIES A CHANCE TO
BUY THE PARTS FROM THIS RARE CAR AS WELL.***"


What amazing logic!!!!!!  ?????????????????????????????????????????????


On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Karl Adey <sunbeamkarl@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Somewhere in the blast/painting processes one of my trunk hinge springs was
> misplaced.  The ~12" long spring that holds the trunk open (?).   There are
> several Alpine(?) springs on ebay, with a coil sticking out to the side.
>  The
> one I'm looking for is more streamlined, with all coils parallel.  Anyone
> have
> a line on one, or an extra they'd be willing to part with?
> Karl AdeyMk 1
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I installed a high output oil pump in my stock 260 when having the engine
rebuilt.  Now I'm having second (and potentially expensive/delaying)
thoughts.
So the 260 is very nearly stock, except for the oil pump, hardened valve
seats, valves, springs, hydraulic lifters, roller rockers and pushrods.  All
are mid performance items from reputable/ Made in USA companies.  Stock block,
heads, oil pan, cam, crank etc.The instructions for my roller rockers (COMP
Cams) says that if I put in a high pressure oil pump I need a "set of valve
train oil deflectors to put over the rocker arms, ensuring that the oil does
not shoot over the top of the rockers."  To avoid galling of push rods, rod
seats, pivot ball and rocker.Looked up valve train oil deflectors and have
only found for "Chevy and Ford 302" from Moroso.  Not only is that not my
application, the listing says that extra clearance may be needed at the valve
cover and I REALLY wanted to use original 'chrome' valve covers.  Not to
mention, the pictures of the deflectors look as though they are nearly the
same distance from the rockers as the valve covers would be...I also read
somewhere some other, maybe related, negative comments about high
volume/pressure oil pumps.  At this point I'm almost tempted to change it out,
but would really prefer not to.   It is my understanding that the oil pump rod
uses gravity to stay in place.  Is it possible to replace the unit from
bellow?  Without removing timing cover/ bell housing?I appreciate any insight
offered.KarlMK1
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Based on having done this several times:

In order to replace the oil pump you need to pull the pan and then the pump -
nothing else although IIRC you may also need to pull the starter to get access
to three or four of the pan bolts. This can be done pretty easily from under
the car.

The oil pump drive rod has a spring clip that's supposed to keep it from
pulling out if/when you remove the distributor. However, the clip can slide on
the rod with moderate force, and it's possible to pull the pump rod out of the
pump when removing the distributor, and this can cause the rod to fall into
the oil pan before you realize what's happened.

You can buy an ARP heavy duty oil pump drive rod that has a more pronounced
shoulder and it will keep the rod from pulling out the top.

With stock bearing clearances, heavy duty (high-pressure/high volume) oil
pumps place significant extra load on the cam and distributor drive gears; if
your oiling in this area is at all deficient, you'll wipe out one or both of
these gears and this would then require a full teardown to get rid of the
metal bits.

A heavy duty pump should probably only be used in a high RPM engine, where the
bearing clearances have been increased to provide sufficient oil film at high
speeds.

Best regards,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Karl Adey
> Sent: January 30, 2013 2:36 PM
> To: The LIST Post
> Subject: [Tigers] Valve Train
>
> I installed a high output oil pump in my stock 260 when having the
> engine rebuilt.  Now I'm having second (and potentially
> expensive/delaying) thoughts.
> So the 260 is very nearly stock, except for the oil pump, hardened
> valve seats, valves, springs, hydraulic lifters, roller rockers and
> pushrods.  All are mid performance items from reputable/ Made in USA
> companies.  Stock block, heads, oil pan, cam, crank etc.The
> instructions for my roller rockers (COMP
> Cams) says that if I put in a high pressure oil pump I need a "set of
> valve train oil deflectors to put over the rocker arms, ensuring that
> the oil does not shoot over the top of the rockers."  To avoid galling
> of push rods, rod seats, pivot ball and rocker.Looked up valve train
> oil deflectors and have only found for "Chevy and Ford 302" from
> Moroso.  Not only is that not my application, the listing says that
> extra clearance may be needed at the valve cover and I REALLY wanted to
> use original 'chrome' valve covers.  Not to mention, the pictures of
> the deflectors look as though they are nearly the same distance from
> the rockers as the valve covers would be...I also read somewhere some
> other, maybe related, negative comments about high volume/pressure oil
> pumps.  At this point I'm almost tempted to change it out,
> but would really prefer not to.   It is my understanding that the oil
> pump rod
> uses gravity to stay in place.  Is it possible to replace the unit from
> bellow?  Without removing timing cover/ bell housing?I appreciate any
> insight
> offered.KarlMK1
> _______________________________________________
>
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Karl, et al,

By "high output oil pump" you probably mean a high volume oil pump, not a high
pressure oil pump. They are not the same and there is probably no reason to
have a high pressure oil pump in such a relatively mild engine. I don't think a
high volume pump will give you any problem, but just watch your oil level. 

I have heard that some roller rockers will not fit under the stock valve
covers, with or without, the deflectors, so that is something you might want to
check on with your the Comp Cams rockers. I have Ford roller rockers (which I
think are made by Comp) on the 302 in my Tracker, with no deflectors, under
stock finned aluminum "Power by Ford" valve covers without clearance problems.

I don't know about changing the oil pump with the engine in the car since it
has been many years since I've been under a Tiger.

Hope this helps,

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans 

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Behalf Of Karl Adey
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:36 PM
To: The LIST Post
Subject: [Tigers] Valve Train

I installed a high output oil pump in my stock 260 when having the engine
rebuilt.  Now I'm having second (and potentially expensive/delaying)
thoughts.
So the 260 is very nearly stock, except for the oil pump, hardened valve
seats, valves, springs, hydraulic lifters, roller rockers and pushrods.  All
are mid performance items from reputable/ Made in USA companies.  Stock block,
heads, oil pan, cam, crank etc.The instructions for my roller rockers (COMP
Cams) says that if I put in a high pressure oil pump I need a "set of valve
train oil deflectors to put over the rocker arms, ensuring that the oil does
not shoot over the top of the rockers."  To avoid galling of push rods, rod
seats, pivot ball and rocker.Looked up valve train oil deflectors and have
only found for "Chevy and Ford 302" from Moroso.  Not only is that not my
application, the listing says that extra clearance may be needed at the valve
cover and I REALLY wanted to use original 'chrome' valve covers.  Not to
mention, the pictures of the deflectors look as though they are nearly the
same distance from the rockers as the valve covers would be...I also read
somewhere some other, maybe related, negative comments about high
volume/pressure oil pumps.  At this point I'm almost tempted to change it out,
but would really prefer not to.   It is my understanding that the oil pump rod
uses gravity to stay in place.  Is it possible to replace the unit from
bellow?  Without removing timing cover/ bell housing?I appreciate any insight
offered.KarlMK1
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Karl,
  Sorry to say I don't have a spring for you.  But..., if I did, I'd 
outright just give it to you because,

 ' I would set the price so low that only one person from one country would 
ever have a chance to get it.'

 I just couldn't resist applying the counter logic.

Tom


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Laifman" <jay.laifman@gmail.com>
To: "Karl Adey" <sunbeamkarl@hotmail.com>
Cc: "The LIST Post" <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk Hinge Spring


>I wasn't sure what you meant.  So I went onto ebay to see the listing.  Now
> I see what you mean.  I had never seen an Alpine trunk spring like that,
> with the one perpendicular loop.  I'm assuming those were from the Series 
> 1
> and 2 cars.  I have owned a S3, SIV and V.  And none of those had that
> extra loop.
>
> Meanwhile, I have to point out this gem:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUNBEAM-ALPINE-IV-ORIGINAL-TRUNK-SPRINGS-COVERS-/280070390666?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item41357f038a&vxp=mtr
>
> The guys says "*THERE WERE ONLY 12,406 CARS MADE IN THE WORLD. I HAVE SET
> THE PRICES HIGH TO ALLOW PROSPECTIVE BUYERS IN OTHER COUNTRIES A CHANCE TO
> BUY THE PARTS FROM THIS RARE CAR AS WELL.***"
>
>
> What amazing logic!!!!!!  ?????????????????????????????????????????????
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Karl Adey <sunbeamkarl@hotmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Somewhere in the blast/painting processes one of my trunk hinge springs 
>> was
>> misplaced.  The ~12" long spring that holds the trunk open (?).   There 
>> are
>> several Alpine(?) springs on ebay, with a coil sticking out to the side.
>>  The
>> one I'm looking for is more streamlined, with all coils parallel.  Anyone
>> have
>> a line on one, or an extra they'd be willing to part with?
>> Karl AdeyMk 1
>
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The high volume pump shouldn't give you any problems, if your tolerances are
close the oil will bypass in the pump.  As for having too much volume of oil
in your rocker arm area they make pushrods that have a restrictor on one end
that reduces the amount of oil that gets to your rocker arms.  This would be
far less work than changing out the oil pump.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187 

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Karl Adey
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:36 PM
To: The LIST Post
Subject: [Tigers] Valve Train

I installed a high output oil pump in my stock 260 when having the engine
rebuilt.  Now I'm having second (and potentially expensive/delaying)
thoughts.
So the 260 is very nearly stock, except for the oil pump, hardened valve
seats, valves, springs, hydraulic lifters, roller rockers and pushrods.  All
are mid performance items from reputable/ Made in USA companies.  Stock
block, heads, oil pan, cam, crank etc.The instructions for my roller rockers
(COMP
Cams) says that if I put in a high pressure oil pump I need a "set of valve
train oil deflectors to put over the rocker arms, ensuring that the oil does
not shoot over the top of the rockers."  To avoid galling of push rods, rod
seats, pivot ball and rocker.Looked up valve train oil deflectors and have
only found for "Chevy and Ford 302" from Moroso.  Not only is that not my
application, the listing says that extra clearance may be needed at the
valve cover and I REALLY wanted to use original 'chrome' valve covers.  Not
to mention, the pictures of the deflectors look as though they are nearly
the same distance from the rockers as the valve covers would be...I also
read somewhere some other, maybe related, negative comments about high
volume/pressure oil pumps.  At this point I'm almost tempted to change it
out,
but would really prefer not to.   It is my understanding that the oil pump
rod
uses gravity to stay in place.  Is it possible to replace the unit from
bellow?  Without removing timing cover/ bell housing?I appreciate any
insight
offered.KarlMK1
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You should be fine, note that the roller rockers need very little oil to
function. The SBF stock valve covers are very close to the rockers and should
provide a lot of oil drip on the spring and such. Easy way is to fire it up
and 
see where the oil is on. I guess this would be an easy task on most cars,
but if 
you are worried I would just pop a cover and take a look. The
instructions seem 
to be more concerend with 'To avoid galling of the push
rods, Piviot ball and 
Rocker' really might not apply given you are using
roller rockers. I have never 
run them on the race car, but that's a bit
different application, I can say it 
does not get a lot of oil due to the
mechanical rollers, doesn't need much with 
rollers. 


Don't know if you can
peek in the valve cover or use a borescope (sp) to see 
what's up. I think
they are inexpensive now a days < 100 bucks

Don't get too hung up on all the
'negative' press on hivol pumps either unless 
you see you pressure gauge
hammered after warm up. The oil pressure of the 
engine is what's important
and if the pump is producing too much pressure it 
ends up getting bypassed by
the internal regulator, and helps heat up your oil  
a bit. Also the stock
tiger oil system is restrictive due to the really small -8 
lines used for the
external filter and likely a better pump is all good. 


For the pump rod
don't worry about replacing it from below, pull the distributor 
and pull from
the top if you must change it. You like will have to mess with the
distributor any-a-ways so no reason to take it from the bottom I can think of.
I 
would always use a ARP or similar HIPO shaft it's low cost insurance and
easy to 
change from the top. Some of shafts have an E-Clip to keep from
falling through 
the pan, the newer ARP's also have it as the wont drop to the
pan but can 
actually get JAMMED between the block and pump, ask how I know...
Sandy

----- Original Message ----
From: Karl Adey <sunbeamkarl@hotmail.com>
To: The LIST Post <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, January 30, 2013 1:36:22
PM
Subject: [Tigers] Valve Train

I installed a high output oil pump in my
stock 260 when having the engine
rebuilt.  Now I'm having second (and
potentially expensive/delaying)
thoughts.
So the 260 is very nearly stock,
except for the oil pump, hardened valve
seats, valves, springs, hydraulic
lifters, roller rockers and pushrods.  All
are mid performance items from
reputable/ Made in USA companies.  Stock block,
heads, oil pan, cam, crank
etc.The instructions for my roller rockers (COMP
Cams) says that if I put in a
high pressure oil pump I need a "set of valve
train oil deflectors to put over
the rocker arms, ensuring that the oil does
not shoot over the top of the
rockers."  To avoid galling of push rods, rod
seats, pivot ball and
rocker.Looked up valve train oil deflectors and have
only found for "Chevy and
Ford 302" from Moroso.  Not only is that not my
application, the listing says
that extra clearance may be needed at the valve
cover and I REALLY wanted to
use original 'chrome' valve covers.  Not to
mention, the pictures of the
deflectors look as though they are nearly the
same distance from the rockers
as the valve covers would be...I also read
somewhere some other, maybe
related, negative comments about high
volume/pressure oil pumps.  At this
point I'm almost tempted to change it out,
but would really prefer not to.  It
is my understanding that the oil pump rod
uses gravity to stay in place.  Is
it possible to replace the unit from
bellow?  Without removing timing cover/
bell housing?I appreciate any insight
offered.KarlMK1
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Yes, this guy says he is HI IQ in NY.  I don't think so.  All his stuff is
stupid high.

Commodore Blues

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jay Laifman
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 8:35 AM
To: Karl Adey
Cc: The LIST Post
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk Hinge Spring

I wasn't sure what you meant.  So I went onto ebay to see the listing.  Now
I see what you mean.  I had never seen an Alpine trunk spring like that,
with the one perpendicular loop.  I'm assuming those were from the Series 1
and 2 cars.  I have owned a S3, SIV and V.  And none of those had that extra
loop.

Meanwhile, I have to point out this gem:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUNBEAM-ALPINE-IV-ORIGINAL-TRUNK-SPRINGS-COVERS-/280
070390666?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item41357f038a&vxp=mtr

The guys says "*THERE WERE ONLY 12,406 CARS MADE IN THE WORLD. I HAVE SET
THE PRICES HIGH TO ALLOW PROSPECTIVE BUYERS IN OTHER COUNTRIES A CHANCE TO
BUY THE PARTS FROM THIS RARE CAR AS WELL.***"


What amazing logic!!!!!!  ?????????????????????????????????????????????


On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Karl Adey <sunbeamkarl@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Somewhere in the blast/painting processes one of my trunk hinge springs
was
> misplaced.  The ~12" long spring that holds the trunk open (?).   There
are
> several Alpine(?) springs on ebay, with a coil sticking out to the side.
>  The
> one I'm looking for is more streamlined, with all coils parallel.  
> Anyone have a line on one, or an extra they'd be willing to part with?
> Karl AdeyMk 1
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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:14:27 -0500
From: Jeffery Randall <jefferyrandall@gmail.com>
To: ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net
Cc: The LIST Post <tigers@autox.team.net>, Karl Adey <sunbeamkarl@hotmail.com>
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I've got an extra spring lying around send me an email and I'll get it to
you.
    Jeff

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Ross Hulse <ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Yes, this guy says he is HI IQ in NY.  I don't think so.  All his stuff is
> stupid high.
>
> Commodore Blues
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Jay Laifman
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 8:35 AM
> To: Karl Adey
> Cc: The LIST Post
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk Hinge Spring
>
> I wasn't sure what you meant.  So I went onto ebay to see the listing.  Now
> I see what you mean.  I had never seen an Alpine trunk spring like that,
> with the one perpendicular loop.  I'm assuming those were from the Series 1
> and 2 cars.  I have owned a S3, SIV and V.  And none of those had that
> extra
> loop.
>
> Meanwhile, I have to point out this gem:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUNBEAM-ALPINE-IV-ORIGINAL-TRUNK-SPRINGS-COVERS-/280
> 070390666?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item41357f038a&vxp=mtr<http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUNBEAM-ALPINE-IV-ORIGINAL-TRUNK-SPRINGS-COVERS-/280070390666?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item41357f038a&vxp=mtr>
>
> The guys says "*THERE WERE ONLY 12,406 CARS MADE IN THE WORLD. I HAVE SET
> THE PRICES HIGH TO ALLOW PROSPECTIVE BUYERS IN OTHER COUNTRIES A CHANCE TO
> BUY THE PARTS FROM THIS RARE CAR AS WELL.***"
>
>
> What amazing logic!!!!!!  ?????????????????????????????????????????????
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Karl Adey <sunbeamkarl@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Somewhere in the blast/painting processes one of my trunk hinge springs
> was
> > misplaced.  The ~12" long spring that holds the trunk open (?).   There
> are
> > several Alpine(?) springs on ebay, with a coil sticking out to the side.
> >  The
> > one I'm looking for is more streamlined, with all coils parallel.
> > Anyone have a line on one, or an extra they'd be willing to part with?
> > Karl AdeyMk 1
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Karl,
The term Hi-Output pump is not descriptive enough ... it is either Hi-Volume
standard pressure or Hi-Volume High Pressure. All you need for a stock engine
is 10 Pounds of pressure for each 1000 RPM of engine speed. Any pressure
beyond that and you are introducing parasitic HP losses by forcing the engine
to work harder to spin the pump. The max pressure you need in a stock 6000 RPM
engine is 60 pounds when revving at 6000. I personally feel best with a
minimum pressure at idle of 25-28 lbs. Unless you are starting the car at -40
or you have a mechanical interference inside the pump it is not likely you
will twist off the oil pump drive or excessively wear the Cam distributer
drive due to the additional loads generated by the High VOLUME pump.

I am assuming you were sold a Hi-Volume standard pressure pump and the
pressure bypass spring in the pump itself will ensure you do not create an
excessive oil pressure in the system. I would leave the pump alone and simply
observe the oil pressure at startup. Ideally you want to run 10/30 or
equivalent synthetic oil and after breakin simply note the oil pressure once
warm and know that you may be able to mitigate some of the pressure by running
a thinner or lower viscosity oil like 10/20. I would not advocate a '0' weight
oil as the tolerances we run on the older V8 engines are too large and require
some oil wedge to develop to prevent bearing contact. It does depend on the
climate you intend to operate the car and weather there will be lots of COLD
sub zero starts.

Sounded like you were looking for a recommendation ... so here it is ... If
you are running a Hi-Volume pump leave it in and you will be fine just look to
observe that Oil pressure does not exceed 60 PSI when revving above 4500 RPM
and that you have at least 25 pounds at idle ... If you KNOW for a fact you
are running a HI-PRESSURE pump (Not a HIGH VOLUME pump) you might want to
reconsider your choice. I can not imagine that you used a hi-pressure pump as
they are very difficult to obtain and are not easily purchasable from a NON
performance company as they are rarely stocked or sold so most likely the term
hi-output refers to Volume and NOT pressure. If you have your receipt for the
pump we could look up the part number and stop speculating and determine which
pump you have.

Lunati actually recommended that I NOT EXCEED 60 PSI on my stroker motor as
they said it would create too much windage at RPM inside the crankcase and it
would make the oil rings work too hard to prevent oil in the combustion
chamber and felt that the 58psi regulated Hi-Volume pump they sold me was the
best alternative next to a dry sump.

If you have any questions feel free to call me.
Best Regards,
Tim Ronak
Senior Services Consultant
AkzoNobel Automotive and Aerospace Coatings NA
23961 Via El Rocio
Mission Viejo,  CA  92691
Ph: (949) 289-3357
Fx: (425) 955-6268
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Karl,
Also with all of the machining work, valves, heads and Block the use of non
stock rockers may affect original dimensions and be sure to check rocker
geometry as it is likely not optimal and you may need to address pushrod
length. For instructions on how to do that go visit the
www.tigersunited.com<http://www.tigersunited.com> web site look in performance
tuning and search for the Lunati stroker build up for the section on valve
train geometry ... or I can email you the article.

Theo is knowledgeable in this area as well and is one of the caretakers of the
site.
Best Regards,
Tim Ronak
Senior Services Consultant
AkzoNobel Automotive and Aerospace Coatings NA
23961 Via El Rocio
Mission Viejo,  CA  92691
Ph: (949) 289-3357
Fx: (425) 955-6268
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I would agree with everything Tim said with the exception of the going to a
lighter oil. Also, most oil that is specified with a '0' weight is cold start
'Value' not a weight so 0-20w and 10-20w s a 20 weight oil with the ability to
start easily in cold cold weather, the 0 or 10 is how hard an engine has to
crank at a specific cold temperature and is relative value not a weight. The
second number is the weight of the oil at operating temp. If using a good
synthetic you likely don't even need to run a multi-grade or it is by default.
It may be specified as such since most good syntetics don't have a much a cold
issue as older dino stuff and do it without the not so great additives to
boot.

Again your oil gauge will tell the story!

Sandy



----- Original
Message ----
From: "Ronak, T.P. (Timothy)" <Timothy.Ronak@akzonobel.com>
To:
"sunbeamkarl@hotmail.com" <sunbeamkarl@hotmail.com>
Cc:
"tigers@autox.team.net" <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, January 30, 2013
7:27:20 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pump Pressure

Karl,
The term Hi-Output pump
is not descriptive enough ... it is either Hi-Volume
standard pressure or
Hi-Volume High Pressure. All you need for a stock engine
is 10 Pounds of
pressure for each 1000 RPM of engine speed. Any pressure
beyond that and you
are introducing parasitic HP losses by forcing the engine
to work harder to
spin the pump. The max pressure you need in a stock 6000 RPM
engine is 60
pounds when revving at 6000. I personally feel best with a
minimum pressure at
idle of 25-28 lbs. Unless you are starting the car at -40
or you have a
mechanical interference inside the pump it is not likely you
will twist off
the oil pump drive or excessively wear the Cam distributer
drive due to the
additional loads generated by the High VOLUME pump.

I am assuming you were
sold a Hi-Volume standard pressure pump and the
pressure bypass spring in the
pump itself will ensure you do not create an
excessive oil pressure in the
system. I would leave the pump alone and simply
observe the oil pressure at
startup. Ideally you want to run 10/30 or
equivalent synthetic oil and after
breakin simply note the oil pressure once
warm and know that you may be able
to mitigate some of the pressure by running
a thinner or lower viscosity oil
like 10/20. I would not advocate a '0' weight
oil as the tolerances we run on
the older V8 engines are too large and require
some oil wedge to develop to
prevent bearing contact. It does depend on the
climate you intend to operate
the car and weather there will be lots of COLD
sub zero starts.

Sounded like
you were looking for a recommendation ... so here it is ... If
you are running
a Hi-Volume pump leave it in and you will be fine just look to
observe that
Oil pressure does not exceed 60 PSI when revving above 4500 RPM
and that you
have at least 25 pounds at idle ... If you KNOW for a fact you
are running a
HI-PRESSURE pump (Not a HIGH VOLUME pump) you might want to
reconsider your
choice. I can not imagine that you used a hi-pressure pump as
they are very
difficult to obtain and are not easily purchasable from a NON
performance
company as they are rarely stocked or sold so most likely the term
hi-output
refers to Volume and NOT pressure. If you have your receipt for the
pump we
could look up the part number and stop speculating and determine which
pump
you have.

Lunati actually recommended that I NOT EXCEED 60 PSI on my stroker
motor as
they said it would create too much windage at RPM inside the
crankcase and it
would make the oil rings work too hard to prevent oil in the
combustion
chamber and felt that the 58psi regulated Hi-Volume pump they sold
me was the
best alternative next to a dry sump.

If you have any questions
feel free to call me.
Best Regards,
Tim Ronak
Senior Services Consultant
AkzoNobel Automotive and Aerospace Coatings NA
23961 Via El Rocio
Mission
Viejo,  CA  92691
Ph: (949) 289-3357
Fx: (425) 955-6268
EM:
Personal EM:
"If a man dwells on the past, then
he robs the present. But if a man ignores
the past, he may rob the future. The
seeds of our destiny are nurtured by the
roots of our past." Master Po - TV's
Kung Fu

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Hi gang,

Here's a question, did any Mk1's (B947xxxx) come with square corner 
doors and hood?

Thanks,
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The later MKI B947's were cross over body cars, they have square corner
doors and bonnet, but the boot is round corner. They have the metal soft
top covers and no fresh air ventilation. They use the GT doors (brackets
for the Gt interior panels)

there is an exact cross over on the body number.. but dont have it on me.

On 1 February 2013 09:22, Bob Dixon <bobdixon@frii.com> wrote:

> Hi gang,
>
> Here's a question, did any Mk1's (B947xxxx) come with square corner doors
> and hood?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
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All,

I have a similar interest in how far the crossover cars extended into the
Mk1A range. I have B382000026 with square corner doors and bonnet, round
corner boot and the early seats.

Thanks,

JVP

Joseph V. Parlanti
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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [Tigers] MkI with square corner doors?

Hi gang,

Here's a question, did any Mk1's (B947xxxx) come with square corner doors
and hood?

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Bob
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382000113: Square hood and doors, round trunk.

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All,

I have a similar interest in how far the crossover cars extended into the Mk1A
range. I have B382000026 with square corner doors and bonnet, round corner
boot and the early seats.

Thanks,

JVP

Joseph V. Parlanti
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Hi gang,

Here's a question, did any Mk1's (B947xxxx) come with square corner doors and
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Bob
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B382000450 - Square corners on doors and bonnet; round 
corners on boot, later seats.

Dave




Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network

-----Original Message-----
From: "Joe Parlanti" <parlanti@comcast.net>
To: 'tigers@autox.tea'<tigers@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkI with square corner doors?

All,

I have a similar interest in how far the crossover cars extended into the
Mk1A range. I have B382000026 with square corner doors and bonnet, round
corner boot and the early seats.

Thanks,

JVP

Joseph V. Parlanti
16048 Copen Meadow Dr
North Potomac, Md. 20878
Cell - 410-599-5475
Email - Parlanti@comcast.net


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [Tigers] MkI with square corner doors?

Hi gang,

Here's a question, did any Mk1's (B947xxxx) come with square corner doors
and hood?

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Bob
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Ditto for B382000446... I thought I read somewhere it changed around
xxx600...

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Teepen, Jere
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkI with square corner doors?

382000113: Square hood and doors, round trunk.

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Joe Parlanti
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 4:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkI with square corner doors?

All,

I have a similar interest in how far the crossover cars extended into the
Mk1A range. I have B382000026 with square corner doors and bonnet, round
corner boot and the early seats.

Thanks,

JVP

Joseph V. Parlanti
16048 Copen Meadow Dr
North Potomac, Md. 20878
Cell - 410-599-5475
Email - Parlanti@comcast.net


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [Tigers] MkI with square corner doors?

Hi gang,

Here's a question, did any Mk1's (B947xxxx) come with square corner doors
and hood?

Thanks,
Bob
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From: Tony McNulty <bamcnulty@optonline.net>
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkI with square corner doors?
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Yeah -- I purchased a MkIa in Hawaii in 1966 -- it came without a heater 
core and blower.  Didn't find out about it until that first winter back on 
the Mainland.

Anyone else have that experience?

Still have the car, BTW -- and will keep it "stock".








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> All,
>
> I have a similar interest in how far the crossover cars extended into the
> Mk1A range. I have B382000026 with square corner doors and bonnet, round
> corner boot and the early seats.
>
> Thanks,
>
> JVP
>
> Joseph V. Parlanti
> 16048 Copen Meadow Dr
> North Potomac, Md. 20878
> Cell - 410-599-5475
> Email - Parlanti@comcast.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Bob Dixon
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> Subject: [Tigers] MkI with square corner doors?
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Here's a question, did any Mk1's (B947xxxx) come with square corner doors
> and hood?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkI with square corner doors?
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Bob
	You can look in the Alpine Parts List, 5th issue, for some guidance
- Section YX pg 2&3.  I believe Parts list is listed on TigersUnited.

B9473254 looks like the square door start with exceptions.

B382000840 looks like the square trunk start.

Ron Fraser


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Subject: [Tigers] MkI with square corner doors?


Hi gang,

Here's a question, did any Mk1's (B947xxxx) come with square corner 
doors and hood?

Thanks,
Bob
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkI with square corner doors?
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Tony
	Heater core delete is a listed option in the Tiger Parts List but I
would not expect the blower to be deleted.

Any chance you have a picture of the Tiger engine compartment without the
heater core?  I would be interested to see if it looks like a Rootes delete
install.

Ron Fraser

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From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tony McNulty
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:34 PM
To: Joe Parlanti; 'tigers@autox.tea'
Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkI with square corner doors?


Yeah -- I purchased a MkIa in Hawaii in 1966 -- it came without a heater 
core and blower.  Didn't find out about it until that first winter back on 
the Mainland.

Anyone else have that experience?

Still have the car, BTW -- and will keep it "stock".








----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'tigers@autox.tea'" <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkI with square corner doors?


> All,
>
> I have a similar interest in how far the crossover cars extended into 
> the Mk1A range. I have B382000026 with square corner doors and bonnet, 
> round corner boot and the early seats.
>
> Thanks,
>
> JVP
>
> Joseph V. Parlanti
> 16048 Copen Meadow Dr
> North Potomac, Md. 20878
> Cell - 410-599-5475
> Email - Parlanti@comcast.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Bob Dixon
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:23 PM
> To: tigers@autox.tea
> Subject: [Tigers] MkI with square corner doors?
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Here's a question, did any Mk1's (B947xxxx) come with square corner 
> doors and hood?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
> _______________________________________________
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Hi Folks,
 I've got B38200918

Square corner hood, doors, and a round trunk

For those keeping track..
Mike R.
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Guys my Old car 382000680 was a MK1A and it had square corner doors and Hood
but round corner trunk.

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Tim Ronak
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Listers I may have a line on a Tiger 2 ... in pieces but may permit me back
into the fold ... it is through a family friend and was wondering if anyone
can offer some value info. I do not want to short change the person and at the
same time would love a deal.

Car is complete but needs restoration and is in significant disassembled
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If anyone has some insight I would be appreciative.
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