From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 06:27:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D345742B00 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 06:27:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E26742AE4 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 06:26:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id l12so4460803lbo.5 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 05:21:43 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=yYJ2jitxiw8zSJyDALRWxRFp+71b/ZVbkwPT+egENS4=; b=YmQ9le6GwhJcvZU021Sbj1AdZ6ZFzEQDyZhmrNMQsJJ6BbVgp8rjQ7UC8f26iNZp8X s6C2RV+OgsrgkBhJ2mVjcbORjJqJrnFeOEfsBoPllv520fvH3s1BYepxFZ8z+RqUaO1t JX/XaWAMwB0f1CZSxTbTnhTmPAVERC3LlNzuYOcIoUIYtcWeQYRzHIkbQ7pO27nhz+5k QxPQ/957S/e7JVr5EQcOj6RLoMV9P29aKeB+AUM/N+rhTM/yfCA8UiaqDMnaXSRIdEhS sP1zeZfMGVyuAAsFTY/Wjlz1GT78CSg5SELqUfhCdSeC2kmAPBA+4R+PD+Qb8qacIJ5/ 3odQ== bc10mr4727336lbb.70.1359724902831; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 05:21:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.92.101 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 05:21:42 -0800 (PST) References: <1E5F750DA2A99748909713C645CDBDA501399BBE8F37@AMDCG61.d30.intra> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:21:42 -0500 From: Jim Sencindiver To: "Ronak, T.P. (Timothy)" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tim, Make sure all the Mk II specific things are there: The grill, the wheel well trim, rocker panel trim, headlamp trim rings, etc. I believe the alternator bracket is unique to the Mk II as well. The wheel well trim is particularly expensive - around $1,000 per piece or $4,000 for a complete set the last time I checked! As far as price, well the Kelly Blue book for classic cars has a condition 3 Mk II Tiger listed at $32K and change, but that's for an assembled and running daily driver. I have no idea what a MK II is worth in pieces - maybe half? Keep on Tigering! Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Ronak, T.P. (Timothy) < Timothy.Ronak@akzonobel.com> wrote: > Listers I may have a line on a Tiger 2 ... in pieces but may permit me back > into the fold ... it is through a family friend and was wondering if anyone > can offer some value info. I do not want to short change the person and at > the > same time would love a deal. > > Car is complete but needs restoration and is in significant disassembled > condition. Scattered everywhere ... LOL > If anyone has some insight I would be appreciative. > Best Regards, > Tim Ronak > Senior Services Consultant > AkzoNobel Automotive and Aerospace Coatings NA > 23961 Via El Rocio > Mission Viejo, CA 92691 > Ph: (949) 289-3357 > Fx: (425) 955-6268 > "If a man dwells on the past, then he robs the present. But if a man > ignores > the past, he may rob the future. The seeds of our destiny are nurtured by > the > roots of our past." Master Po - TV's Kung Fu > -- _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 08:10:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A683342AD5 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:10:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEA0429D1 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:09:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:04:49 -0500 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 10:04:49 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tim,Mark II's, square vs round Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tim, all along, I thought we're dealing with a genuine Tiger owner, and now, this... no Tiger (OK, temporarily). Seriously, what ever help you need in the event that you can take over the Mark II, all of us are willing to help. It would be grand to get another Mark II on the road (can you finish it in time for Big Bear this summer?). It's difficult to put a value on a disassembled Tiger. For a while, some of us have been using the figure of $70K retail to have a restoration done, after you already have purchased the car. If it's all there, and you plan to use your own labor to assemble it, you can subtract that portion(find out what the local labor rate would be, and estimate the hours you'd need to work on it). I think Jim Sencindiver gave you some good tips for a check list of unique Mark II parts and their cost, should they be missing, to look for. I would add all of the oil cooler stuff(cooler, hoses, hose support, the correct valance cooler supports, and the type 6RA relay and separate 15 ohm resister mounted next to the stock fuse box, that are part of the Tiger alternator setup. The relay is fairly common Lucas, the resistor was unobtainium two years when when I checked last. I can provide in-place photos of those last two things, if needed. I would see if Bill Martin at Rootes Group Depot can guide you to a reasonable value for a disassembled Mark II. I think they started a similar project several months ago (ask about the green car). I haven't heard a selling price for the red Mark II that Fantasy Junction sold in Emeryville, CA recently. The red Mark II from Frazier Park, CA on eBay was set at $105,000 and did not meet reserve, could have been withdrawn or sold for somewhat less. The last Mark II I got a sale price for was, I think, 2006 for the blue Salt Lake City-San Luis Obispo-Milwaukee car that the Wisconsin dealer paid $69K for. All of these were finished cars, the Emeryville one was a restoration, the other two were really fine condition survivors. As for square versus round, my 1A number 48 is square bonnet, exposed cowl seams, square doors, and rounded boot lid. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 11:22:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895F0429D1 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:22:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net (txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372F34226C for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:22:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from Roscrea ([74.196.108.150]) by txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.01.08 201-2343-100-153-20121108) with ESMTP id <20130201181539.YDJE24989.txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net@Roscrea>; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:15:39 -0600 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: , "'Bob Dixon'" , "'tigers@autox.tea'" References: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:17:01 -0600 Thread-Index: AQIUIwukOrzeX+lmkFhmP/LaeQQbbpfZCh4Q Content-Language: en-us cv=N9uDKkb2Yi2ZV4O13hbhmNYLbEXZvhtlycSAN4eAjDA= c=1 sm=0 a=QvAILuvps5wA:10 a=xzW3HwPJiLYA:10 a=VPHkNMUpP2kA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=UnzTgHv9AAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=8LaAqv5HAAAA:8 a=SaYmst24EcfvV9EDmjUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=a0o1xVR2z_QA:10 a=gPGHqaX6uacA:10 a=VyEgL_oDMC8it04a:21 a=N4Ib1zV-kKq7kDp5:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkI with square corner doors? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My 9473187 has square doors, square hood and round boot. Jerry Christopherson -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:43 PM To: 'Bob Dixon'; 'tigers@autox.tea' Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkI with square corner doors? Bob You can look in the Alpine Parts List, 5th issue, for some guidance - Section YX pg 2&3. I believe Parts list is listed on TigersUnited. B9473254 looks like the square door start with exceptions. B382000840 looks like the square trunk start. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Dixon Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:23 PM To: tigers@autox.tea Subject: [Tigers] MkI with square corner doors? Hi gang, Here's a question, did any Mk1's (B947xxxx) come with square corner doors and hood? 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Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 20:43:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8710440E32 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 20:43:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f175.google.com (mail-ie0-f175.google.com [209.85.223.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7C440696 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 20:43:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id c12so4118145ieb.34 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:38:08 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=yXpWP2IReeXyfr/W0OQIfD3/49S+rs6Ig2JBaXDjnEc=; b=bu03sMdOQ2BJO3K1H0vnr/ER1fcSa3CDQvhQk63eeF6rD3m4YwBeWcmZkHkUZ6Pt/4 n24TXCJjlcmi0O1Brl+ALOQXkjeChW1xh5RhnWtAeOeDTP+DUuycWz5qfUmCiemQ/ihJ nfwnduhC5+ufCPxLUVaOEJ/AOCpT+LvNy6Hw0UWy/+Xt4kHZ3XnXbkUWUz+ewQCM30Nm H5355ZS7scdoU2nqLE4ScHvnH2ZlLB6K0vV6FGV60q7N73nhddq3gDvQyCvLXiw9/hOe LSRYY3qjfkC5q0KPUlJ5V6qRd0oYfmmVkQa6E7P3m2HHmSwI62jFcSPdYyCT9/8zRo5z Ikdw== bt1mr1313533icb.41.1359776288264; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:38:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.178.132 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 19:38:08 -0800 (PST) References: <000001ce00f5$37075ce0$a51616a0$@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 14:38:08 +1100 From: michael king To: Joe Brown Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint Inside Gauges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joe, the insides of the speedo/tach were painted white and a light blue, split 50/50 top and bottom cant recall which colour was on the top ahlf.. can look when i get home On 2 February 2013 14:27, Joe Brown wrote: > Hey, > > > > I'm taking apart my gauges to replace the o-rings and clean things up and I > noticed flakes of white paint pouring out. I haven't pulled the mechanisms > out of the housing completely, but I'm guessing that the inside of the > housings were painted. Actually, I'm seeing some blue flakes and some > white. How should the insides of the housings be painted? Is the paint > meant to reflect the light from the light bulb? > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Brown > > B382000217 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 20:47:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EDC40E4F for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 20:47:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from db3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (db3ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.140]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5478540696 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 20:47:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail98-db3-R.bigfish.com (10.3.81.236) by DB3EHSOBE003.bigfish.com (10.3.84.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 03:42:23 +0000 Received: from mail98-db3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail98-db3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD6B20015C; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 03:42:21 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail98-db3: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail98-db3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail98-db3 (MessageSwitch) id 1359776531135058_31551; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 03:42:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DB3EHSMHS019.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.81.241]) by mail98-db3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DE0A00EC; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 03:42:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by DB3EHSMHS019.bigfish.com (10.3.87.119) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 03:42:08 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.180) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.220) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.328.9; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 21:41:57 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.3.88]) by OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.180]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 21:42:05 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: michael king Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Paint Inside Gauges Thread-Index: Ac4A8/TYb+DyQ6vHRVud5S7O2Uwd/wANQ00A//+chI0= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 03:42:04 +0000 References: <000001ce00f5$37075ce0$a51616a0$@gmail.com>, Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint Inside Gauges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The blue is closer to the light if I recall correctly. It's intended to give a brighter cast to the gauge illumination. Theo On 2013-02-01, at 8:38 PM, "michael king" wrote: > Joe, the insides of the speedo/tach were painted white and a light blue, > split 50/50 top and bottom cant recall which colour was on the top ahlf.. > can look when i get home > > On 2 February 2013 14:27, Joe Brown wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> >> >> I'm taking apart my gauges to replace the o-rings and clean things up and I >> noticed flakes of white paint pouring out. I haven't pulled the mechanisms >> out of the housing completely, but I'm guessing that the inside of the >> housings were painted. Actually, I'm seeing some blue flakes and some >> white. How should the insides of the housings be painted? Is the paint >> meant to reflect the light from the light bulb? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Joe Brown >> >> B382000217 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > > ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 08:20:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCB540EE1 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 08:20:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6961E40538 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 08:20:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r12FCY2C032250; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 07:15:06 -0800 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0225.510c2951.17ec5; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 07:15:00 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.149.172]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:14:52 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Smit, Theo'" , "'michael king'" Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 10:14:48 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4A8/TYb+DyQ6vHRVud5S7O2Uwd/wANQ00A//+chI3//0E/IA== engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-02_05:2013-02-01,2013-02-02,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1302020096 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint Inside Gauges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yes the light blue paint is at the light bulb. My thought is the blue paint give a slight color shift to the light reflected onto the face. The problem I see with this is that at night the gauges can be hard to see or are hard to see due to low amount of light from the bulb that is reflected onto the face. I would think that painting the inside just white might increase the amount of light reflected onto the gauge face some. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Smit, Theo Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:42 PM To: michael king Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint Inside Gauges The blue is closer to the light if I recall correctly. It's intended to give a brighter cast to the gauge illumination. Theo On 2013-02-01, at 8:38 PM, "michael king" wrote: > Joe, the insides of the speedo/tach were painted white and a light > blue, split 50/50 top and bottom cant recall which colour was on the > top ahlf.. can look when i get home > > On 2 February 2013 14:27, Joe Brown wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> >> >> I'm taking apart my gauges to replace the o-rings and clean things up >> and I >> noticed flakes of white paint pouring out. I haven't pulled the mechanisms >> out of the housing completely, but I'm guessing that the inside of >> the housings were painted. Actually, I'm seeing some blue flakes and some >> white. How should the insides of the housings be painted? Is the paint >> meant to reflect the light from the light bulb? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Joe Brown >> >> B382000217 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > > ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 08:34:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136E042281 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 08:34:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6786140543 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 08:33:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DC9141C00009E for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 10:28:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mle005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.210]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B7A2EE000081; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 10:28:42 -0500 (EST) From: Carmods@aol.com Full-name: Carmods Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 10:28:42 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1359818922; bh=LhAEJKcDeQO3k0nvIilciTbJ8ClaWi0PRQdfyTwS63Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uoGul1pxdHf6DN+RBMz+aJVmHMIGSwMG52XLv68+PsbFGU2AH6SYlOBO429XvUHfP cy17X7+hrpH199N4GAios1ePqbFlKQEB3iiGnwVUmw68OqussKdkjNkERTVhmPY6F4 rhJJpeCXhU+S7ubl6Ce7EPdIdyi13Yea9RaTtYIE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2909510d30aa4521 Cc: BJBAAUW1@aol.com Subject: [Tigers] 260 CID Cam Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Art Bonsignore, owner of a 260 Tiger that has a Shelby American camshaft that was installed in his Tiger in 1968. It was described as a High Performance solid lifter cam with 0.450" valve lift and 272 deg duration. He wants to replace it with a slightly more aggressive hydraulic version. Do you have a suggestion I can pass on to him? John Logan _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 09:20:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DED040EE1 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 09:20:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0243.b.hostedemail.com [64.98.42.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76ED540441 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 09:14:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay04.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 520D220D824; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 16:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from RedBudAdminPC (unknown [72.168.166.134]) (Authenticated sender: jimmc13@hughes.net) by omf03.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 16:09:30 +0000 (UTC) From: "Jim" To: , References: <15a2c.42240e8e.3e3e8aaa@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 10:09:34 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac4BWgrJvsUJtfuYTKO+hcXCeriZ1wAAjPBQ Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 CID Cam Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net John, My 260 was rebuilt with a Comp Cam designed for hydraulic lifters. It turns out with the passage of time and of course development, hydraulic lifters now come with the ability to match performance to the cam for which they are designed. I have a moderate cam the specs I do not have with me, but I will by tonight. I have a 300+ MB video of the engine running the second time, after cam break in), holy smokes it is impressive. Roller rocker studs have been threaded into the heads and larger intake vales with fly cut pistons on the intake sides. The engine came out pretty nice. Jim McLaughlin B382000175 Headers have been ceramic coated! Note picture may not make it. ----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carmods@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 9:29 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Cc: BJBAAUW1@aol.com Subject: [Tigers] 260 CID Cam Art Bonsignore, owner of a 260 Tiger that has a Shelby American camshaft that was installed in his Tiger in 1968. It was described as a High Performance solid lifter cam with 0.450" valve lift and 272 deg duration. He wants to replace it with a slightly more aggressive hydraulic version. Do you have a suggestion I can pass on to him? John Logan _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimmc13@hughes.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image002.jpg] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 10:58:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1553942284 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 10:58:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5CD40690 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 10:47:06 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=ix.netcom.com; b=IkjAVsF2LjZf171bU30ZTVC2lG/FwpjwPgzK5KbOl/W0WorOsHkLeBZ4JMPZdyMu; h=Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.248.144.237] (helo=[192.168.1.72]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1U1h6H-0007DJ-DH for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 12:42:01 -0500 From: Allan Ballard Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 12:41:57 -0500 References: <15a2c.42240e8e.3e3e8aaa@aol.com> To: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 CID Cam Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net John, Holman Moody offers a hydraulic lifter camshaft with a grind similar to the 289 HIPO grind, if that is aggressive enough. See #C90Z-6250-C at http://www.holmanmoody.com/cams.html Allan Ballard Mk1a On Feb 2, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Carmods@aol.com wrote: > Art Bonsignore, owner of a 260 Tiger that has a Shelby American camshaft > that was installed in his Tiger in 1968. It was described as a High > Performance solid lifter cam with 0.450" valve lift and 272 deg duration. He wants > to replace it with a slightly more aggressive hydraulic version. Do you > have a suggestion I can pass on to him? > > John Logan > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aballard@ix.netcom.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 10:58:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB54942A9C for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 10:58:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E784068C for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 10:56:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vRlM1k0031zF43QACVrfMR; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:51:39 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vVre1k00G2xZMJ48kVrePk; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:51:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 17:51:38 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Carmods@aol.com s=q20121106; t=1359827499; bh=Ud6SFphenDP3SUF1yOz6ifkdsPrb+RPlSX5Z1jYElMI=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=aG41vbVQGXoUGJp1dmHZVqNgSTBVSDLuKj4D+CVzlturSQIDUkzC+50PL91uB7J9E wClZZukDcQHkrvL6jxpwFN5i7VjUONHt5phJoCipslvRgUbrkYpyBytDbEbBA4fv9G Z11Js4Nj3sDp4rVZpqmqDE8+Su5cwuvRM9iCQZt7kC6iFgTvEOX/JXoKwopHzKRXSu Lo894Ahku7dLcddBeBoucSDnwRLMz45kSKclHJ4YSl7UPnRoZKTB8c+HcVlFQnRsVC LT1d0B0gQJ1o4sdhbB2GFr+tnkMWSu+y69eAq+J4QYrOZw3nikqW1wmSm0edxUfegA 9KTBZUipsCBfg== Cc: BJBAAUW1@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 CID Cam Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just a friendly caution or two.. A cam is part of a package that needs to have compatible intake manifold, exhaust manifold, heads and carb for maximum performance. For instance, a cam that develops most of its power in the 3000 to 6000 rpm range probably needs exhaust headers and an intake manifold that can flow well up through 6000. Any cam recommendation needs to be gotten along with what mainifolds, heads, and carb are being used. If Art is still running the stock heads, hopefully he has installed screw-in rocker arm studs in place of the original pressed in version. (And with heads off, will be putting in hardened valve seats for unleaded gas...) Also, the original valve springs may have relaxed a bit over the years. They should be tested and replaced if necessary to get full performance out of a new cam. If he ends up picking from a catalog, and does not have fly cut pistons, there is some guidance in the old "Performance Tuning The Tiger" book on page 41 regarding cams. It says the maximum lift should be 0.440 inch and maximum overlap should be 56 degrees. It also says elsewhere that the slightly higher lift LAT 20 gets away with that because the maximum overlap is not exceeded. Obviously actually checking the valve to piston clearance by hand with modeling clay, as described in the book is a must do when installing any new cam is a must do. The book mentions 0.125 is desired with .080 minimum. In addition to looking at Comp Cams, Crane and Lunati are very worthy of consideration. Just my thoughts, hopefully of some value. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Cc: BJBAAUW1@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 9:28:42 AM Subject: [Tigers] 260 CID Cam Art Bonsignore, owner of a 260 Tiger that has a Shelby American camshaft that was installed in his Tiger in 1968. It was described as a High Performance solid lifter cam with 0.450" valve lift and 272 deg duration. He wants to replace it with a slightly more aggressive hydraulic version. Do you have a suggestion I can pass on to him? John Logan _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 12:16:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1931342BAF for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 12:16:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s18.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s18.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC4E4053C for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 12:15:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU169-W112 ([65.55.116.74]) by blu0-omc3-s18.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 2 Feb 2013 11:10:20 -0800 From: Brent Edinger To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 11:10:20 -0800 FILETIME=[F200E010:01CE0178] Subject: [Tigers] LED dash lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Has anyone developed a good LED replacement lighting system to brighten things up? I can hardly see my gauges at night. Maybe my eyes are getting old. Brent _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 12:47:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4B742BC9 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 12:47:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f173.google.com (mail-ie0-f173.google.com [209.85.223.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B5740409 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 12:36:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 9so4469274iec.4 for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 11:31:26 -0800 (PST) s=google; h=x-received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=6gawrJeUuNvWkVg30d6AlVfY/XtehPe3gu65PFh+U9w=; b=qEeqGhtgyg+NTpvTmYZFkaGUFT6eekFqjKUu7WRhkkoPqbuGvIZFDd5FbtzsXSgM4V ehUlE3IUlUF4N1fydSSTu6QPAoLHslMUJ9+GFEt9NZZSObNzNUe6PuhBI68uN+HiHnkI z+qFghzNRjV1dV9w6Mgm+E6xy3X7WDsaNffZM= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version :x-gm-message-state; bh=6gawrJeUuNvWkVg30d6AlVfY/XtehPe3gu65PFh+U9w=; b=bwoREX5BjrNYSaymUxnhhABm4Unq5oushkaCZpGOk48nBAxiLUWZ9mHT5OlzNnOteC oabWDWJG5QuX6lxM7r67Vjz4M2HtJG5/xYHKj2TkJ4knKJ2dwrUrK1aoPX56njCIs+Lh EUtv+cyxnhWibjCoHDscryMWesaE5T0V0N9g7/M/huhPHM0xYTGq7XEVqJIizgtUNl5g Rsx5ys6/kqKdnmDzHFSKHq4/pfHiAz+7vIV9eHQWq2kxMkR3XxafPRqF7jDKzC5C8bcj 9O8S6nnHjETNaBzn26XD7vHPTrlx18Lv0v5wRQE0Fd+y3kpeGzIUOZQ7htEb4DODpasV 5Eyg== d6mr11932579ics.14.1359833486540; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 11:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.29.205.204 (bda-74-82-82-117.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.82.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rd10sm7344338igb.1.2013.02.02.11.31.25 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 02 Feb 2013 11:31:25 -0800 (PST) Sensitivity: Normal To: "Brent Edinger" , tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, "tigers@autox.team.net" From: dave@munroe.ca Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:31:23 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] LED dash lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Likely! Mine too. I installed Halogen bulbs in all my instruments - they light up now like a modern dash. I also have them in an MGB which has a dimmer in the circuit. Its a useful addition as on a long trip on a dark night it helps to take the brightness back a notch. I got them at the Little British Car co - www.lbcarco.com Go to their home page, click the "Search" button on the blue header bar and search for "instrument bulb". Bring lots of $$$$ as they are hand made in Oz and expensive. But the pain goes away when you flick the dash light switch! Dave ------Original Message------ From: Brent Edinger To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] LED dash lights Sent: 2 Feb 2013 3:10 PM Has anyone developed a good LED replacement lighting system to brighten things up? I can hardly see my gauges at night. Maybe my eyes are getting old. Brent _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 12:47:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773AF42BE0 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 12:47:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EA24227D for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 12:45:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vWrK1k0031ap0As54XgFex; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:40:15 +0000 Received: from JoeParlantiPC ([68.33.125.231]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vXgF1k0094zgFws3iXgFrt; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:40:15 +0000 From: "Joe Parlanti" To: References: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 14:40:22 -0500 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac4BeSTGIs1ewLlXTZ6n5U4co8+/TAAAx1YQ s=q20121106; t=1359834015; bh=2P4oHGQykBPqhqCbT3qDdL1i/U4/c5WuS26topkgSYk=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=FbGLd5k7bhE56C/6eUrgPdkroZOghRhrsqqhzOlUQm1qKT/71DlqYQXs7+KVq9h/z P2T/b6Zx4svVcGslnanDTV6uzP2LmXSSNIoFf/OcExvA/zz9b+60SR/5TZqkUP+s9Z ifgGtoCU5B2HzSLqe0Erli1sHpGNd5Se6Rm108Sa+TmumpLFDvnaHmbFBkNYVi7cdw fBlC78faxXwg0B8IyPlUm1IHTgVlh9x4fcT7isLTGWMUUXx5RdBbbMhAwZd/7NQ6x6 0XwRP+7gbp1ty5ghiosDRHd9ZWJPHRiMXhW6EW1BEkYHWNCOvB4pAdLsIXqEql5rWC y4riMT37RZMZg== Subject: Re: [Tigers] LED dash lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tiger Owners, I have done precisely this and have been making sets for folks in the Tigers East / Alpines East Club. I use a 20 surface mount technology (SMT) based white LED assembly in an E10 screw socket. If anyone is interested, contact me directly and I can furnish photos and prices. Best Regards, Joe 1966 Tiger Mk1A B382000026 Joseph V. Parlanti 16048 Copen Meadow Dr North Potomac, Md. 20878 Cell - 410-599-5475 Email - Parlanti@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brent Edinger Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 2:10 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] LED dash lights Has anyone developed a good LED replacement lighting system to brighten things up? I can hardly see my gauges at night. Maybe my eyes are getting old. Brent _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/parlanti@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 16:56:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F8F42C24 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 16:56:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34C640697 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 16:46:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vTnE1k0021zF43QACbhnaN; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 23:41:47 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vbhn1k00R2xZMJ48kbhnsE; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 23:41:47 +0000 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 23:41:47 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Brent Edinger s=q20121106; t=1359848507; bh=rs4wKdHHYeHpSkrEX/QkoZWTlJmvvpndBwt+OhiHVHU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=DEZ0u8Wu0g0ULVpb9bEXqZ3iHfL7LxB8AHsp/pt4ffRn6rf1f6McpZHSsFcw9Kqi5 tSEIKU2KN37ApCJ2FHI+HWIg7iql/2u63YJKAAuPfBGe0iGWgXhXlolvk+zvf690vA lBZ8jvQjm+8wDRyWrwWZWXvHEMRZuGu/NeAKkVszSXyXNzzWCnx8cghaqHBdJbEl6V PiEumCR9IJWtkUk2pgV5DOnKiYhCeRPHQgD7wyPfDwT0HC/4lhzKHDzX3SuRlJJLct /ncrG7TNp8JrTlFx6lzH7lkeYTCXzlSNq8dRMPW18FJgHs6Fv8o93lSaecNWbcK+sF nAoOpLnjXxuPQ== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] LED dash lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If you wanted to try an inexpensive alternative first, try a set of incandescent 1446 bulbs. This was an upgrade suggested in the old CAT Shop Notes back in the 70's. I recently bought a set of 10 bulbs off of ebay for $10.28. FYI, you might find them at a model railroading store as well. My dash is out of the car right now so I cannot say how good they are. I did hook up one in a bulb holder and put 12 volts power to it. It seemed pretty bright to me. Not sure how old your bulbs are in your car now. Some of my gauge bulbs are original to the car from 1967. I noticed there was a significant metallic looking film inside. Probably from the filament vaporizing over time. I am thinking that is what is making the bulbs dimmer than we would like them to be, especially if they are fairly old. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Edinger" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 1:10:20 PM Subject: [Tigers] LED dash lights Has anyone developed a good LED replacement lighting system to brighten things up? I can hardly see my gauges at night. Maybe my eyes are getting old. Brent _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 17:11:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE48C42C8D for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 17:11:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from wh-qmail04.webhero.com (wh-qmail04.webhero.com [209.217.42.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C4742B14 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 17:03:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 17087 invoked by uid 10000); 2 Feb 2013 23:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO HPLaptop) (70.174.51.228) by wh-qmail04.webhero.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2013 23:58:41 -0000 From: To: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 18:58:33 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4BoTVKRg6+4NIpQWyAh+WedXHZ1g== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] 260 CID Cam Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In addition to the cams listed by other forum members, Summit Racing also has a cam that apparently is suitable for 260/289/302 if there is valve clearance. Since this motor is disassembled can the owner take a look at the pistons to see if they are the OEM dished pistons without valve reliefs or are they later pistons with valve reliefs. The Summit cam is #K3600 and includes hydraulic lifters for $109.95. This is supposed to be one of the clones to Fords C90Z-6250-C from the 1969 sbf. My 289 engine is undergoing rebuild now with 4.020 bore, the K3600 cam, 1996 Ford Explorer GT40 heads and probably the Edelbrock #2121 or $7121 intake topped by a moderate (500-600) 4 bbl carb. Any body have any adverse comments to this setup before I purchase the parts? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 18:14:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF1E42C81 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 18:14:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f182.google.com (mail-ia0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDD8422A1 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 18:01:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ia0-f182.google.com with SMTP id w33so6884292iag.13 for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:56:44 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=U1MNRtHTXqXq6GyY0N3p2tjiYPXZ5s1RYG2TWoMEpq8=; b=cF2ouo/3NEjptkxsvgaStwV/i5nEYmltHJiytH1H6jLo3t5PiZg18QW99IbkRizdFO lk13neRj/cLEtEXUAvgYG8iC/vX3zUXxZ+I+Ex4CZiM2DpSFs0REJS7u6cBVpy7MsO+q 6jATQtUqzTH31EC0a5tYtMrp4h70BAKSmvKF7mBzw1nFyJUwJMJg//ekhGizhfgldHaG M6GvU/DRXMoc3mJ32754bY2Ok0n+hD9OUho8pjaKaT1wCLlGXMLiHBfNiHxr10dmIVbU 17fKvpQMOaHxPFCxSq3WY3O0QP/oM0IJ2TiV9E726D6J1TO/nGtp1FUmPUahaGynLCwW Quhg== g16mr2251752igd.2.1359853004764; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:56:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.9.10 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 16:56:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 11:56:44 +1100 From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: [Tigers] Radiator cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have the length for the correct spring depth on a Tiger radiator cap? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 19:47:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3C442CB6 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:47:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A1242285 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:38:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7E40738000071 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mla002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.80]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CEFD2E000085 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:33:04 -0500 (EST) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:33:04 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1359858785; bh=ULAEkXbIH4G8P4M0nGSlYZKBxZ7YlQYvx4FtnbsK8i0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PzMjKdwgWaSfTWZjIFn43mhdvas4+ywUqElsUVqXicbLJfxDyV6Hn5ygIRCaH5hP+ vHxXw6VSRSYGIeQOpjasBaqGVJCbyAdR5QgUq1c30REDEcD/uj7E+y9JNlKAoitgaF u40/Ljd9UbJ35jsmBMkcvzVVVAhHIIEW1cVa0rrc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b510dcc600d57 Subject: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm about to buy some new wheels for my Tiger. Because of the lack of quality off the shelf wheels for our cars, I'm leaning towards 15" diameter Panasports. While kind of "belly button" wheels, they are very well made and reasonable cost. The usual 6" front/7" rear fitment has limited appeal, primarily because of the handling compromises that result. I'd like to run 7' all around with equal size tires. Anyone have direct experience with the 7's and clearances? My valence is near stock, we did do some basic smoothing, prior to the car going to paint. How large a tire might fit? (I could see running as small as 195/50-15 at all four corners). Thanks for any thoughts! Mike Wood _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 20:18:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D0542CE5 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 20:18:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com (mail-gh0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1214227F for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 20:17:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-gh0-f182.google.com with SMTP id z15so1313144ghb.27 for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:12:25 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to :thread-index:x-mimeole; bh=KwNnUyWZuecXesH0JJ/HaroNaiAhK8nlCHEpm5Zbixg=; b=SsY0dPmdtBy2N5VTZQz+u0TaldgV0GDUYiYij5/LiJpxUMGvhYnT/o4ox8RRx5mZtr BhCUS5frmIe/E4EpVEThRsUpqcOpMs18XCWa0mJmdD50RbPdT33RO+y6OjB99sCAqlMt 3J11cw/F3OQWeNLzAfRV2Oc7xVOZx4TUyA7NB92JbdDvVDYI0NrJaQporkme0Ne5lfFu 9fwo26ckN4L5Hvy+OobzYBTMzrjnDdT/+Lu+kgIYONBey1FVTxQ6EWCG674WCtT7uozt dEMGeVHlZ5EjPOrAtyhDdZgeC0wgloqyH93THeo5z8MM4CM8omngHNBbGAsn/h7qUwXp ugtw== a40mr21594861yhk.9.1359861145459; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from DellD4700 (adsl-184-38-176-114.msy.bellsouth.net. [184.38.176.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f3sm6201525ani.3.2013.02.02.19.12.22 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:12:24 -0800 (PST) From: "A. C. Tynes" To: , , References: <000001ce01a1$363af900$a2b0eb00$@com> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:12:22 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac4BoTVKRg6+4NIpQWyAh+WedXHZ1gAFC7wg Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 CID Cam Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net John and John, et al I can't imagine going to the expense of rebuilding an engine and not converting it to roller lifters and roller rockers. The parts cost a little more, but it is really simple to do. You get the advantage of reduced engine friction and eliminate the whole "breaking in the cam" problem. You also get the advantage of using the latest and best cam lobe designed for your purpose. See the last paragraph about changing the firing order, which is also simple. John Logan, this applies especially to your friend since he is going to have to buy new hydraulic lifters anyway. I have heard that roller rockers may not fit under stock Tiger chrome valve covers, but the Ford roller rockers I have in the Tracker engine fit fine under my ribbed stock cast aluminum "Power by Ford" valve covers, but you would have to check for yourself. Those look like the finned "COBRA" valve covers I see on a lot of Tigers. John P., you may run into a problem with the GT40 heads. The header bolt locations are the same as other Ford heads, but the aftermarket header pipes seem to be located slightly differently and there are differently shaped stock exhaust manifolds for the GT40 heads. You may have problems getting to and tightening the header bolts. There are special headers made for the GT40 heads, but I don't know how they fit a Tiger. Otherwise, you will save yourself a lot of trouble if you put on the headers before putting the engine in the car. For general information, however, remember that the 302 uses two different firing orders and thus not all cams for the 260 and 289 will be usable in the 302 or vice versa. The 351 Windsor (and the Cleveland?) uses a different firing order from the 260, 289 and earlier 302's. The later 302 firing order was changed to match the 351, but I am not sure when the change was made. I have seen it written that the change was made in 1995 and also seen where it was made when the 302 changed from carb to fuel injection. Of course, you can use any cam in any engine as long as you match the firing order to the cam. The Tracker 302 originally used the old firing order, but I used a Ford E303 cam with the new firing order and moved the spark plug wires around. Works like a charm. HTH, A. C. Tynes -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of johnp@ciseast.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 5:59 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 260 CID Cam In addition to the cams listed by other forum members, Summit Racing also has a cam that apparently is suitable for 260/289/302 if there is valve clearance. Since this motor is disassembled can the owner take a look at the pistons to see if they are the OEM dished pistons without valve reliefs or are they later pistons with valve reliefs. The Summit cam is #K3600 and includes hydraulic lifters for $109.95. This is supposed to be one of the clones to Fords C90Z-6250-C from the 1969 sbf. My 289 engine is undergoing rebuild now with 4.020 bore, the K3600 cam, 1996 Ford Explorer GT40 heads and probably the Edelbrock #2121 or $7121 intake topped by a moderate (500-600) 4 bbl carb. Any body have any adverse comments to this setup before I purchase the parts? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 20:33:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D4842D04 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 20:33:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ye0-f177.google.com (mail-ye0-f177.google.com [209.85.213.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F29D42282 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 20:27:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ye0-f177.google.com with SMTP id m14so1296373yen.8 for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:22:13 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to :thread-index:x-mimeole; bh=FGdp2XL0oLB5ea/LEDdlcKtpqF2rs4zfO7hd1muLIQ0=; b=NoZ5YYzEfbez6pDKi/taWn0DS6megFzS9gc5YERfBHwQOkbfZtCrPjUyzc7wyFCSdV LArQZDjnxupaTXCrCd9JKoFGe2ON3I8ueVIU06CSDc1D4T+CiNWdMb6geapjwLa51ObJ 2GN/H4TplIT5FANheLbOx7Yb4+yS/xSjRcqjqn5wPmxF0uYctTy9DxLK/zmXkEibw1Hs z1fk3ZUl2K+xATVOF9UhbfEDVvZ+1c221/zD03s2orK9bs1T4YsRbsipIZtdZ/c+xBcQ sUEEM9nPNwTUueM2WOfa73D8Jts52jiHGIARmTMlLEbArGddNRgZvozYSjv/5YYYjLSU eY/g== n41mr20906170yhe.66.1359861733680; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from DellD4700 (adsl-184-38-176-114.msy.bellsouth.net. [184.38.176.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w2sm22190398yhk.8.2013.02.02.19.22.11 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:22:12 -0800 (PST) From: "A. C. Tynes" To: , References: <18801.2d612084.3e3f2660@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:22:13 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac4BuCb8yKVZEXIvQKWblnqPHiBhxAABGpUg Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, Just because you have different width wheels does not mean you have to use different size tires. Tires generally fit a range of wheel widths, with a minimum and maximum for each tire. You can probably find a tire size that will fit both a 6" and 7" wheel. The overall diameter may be slightly different, but I don't think it would be enough to matter. Of course, I am not a tire expert. The tirerack.com has experts and a huge amount of information on tires. They are very generous with their knowledge and their time. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MWood24020@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 8:33 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels I'm about to buy some new wheels for my Tiger. Because of the lack of quality off the shelf wheels for our cars, I'm leaning towards 15" diameter Panasports. While kind of "belly button" wheels, they are very well made and reasonable cost. The usual 6" front/7" rear fitment has limited appeal, primarily because of the handling compromises that result. I'd like to run 7' all around with equal size tires. Anyone have direct experience with the 7's and clearances? My valence is near stock, we did do some basic smoothing, prior to the car going to paint. How large a tire might fit? (I could see running as small as 195/50-15 at all four corners). Thanks for any thoughts! Mike Wood _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 21:21:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1EF42D52 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:21:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C5D40646 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:09:20 -0700 (MST) cv=lbZngtFpA+T3WvIHIl4wnoqCVcx9ie5HeyIhFFUqCgg= c=1 sm=1 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=07qYva9XFuPVsmUOanpuKQ==:17 a=df8E1E20Ei2-Qtc-6JcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.105]) ([184.64.56.176]) by idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 02 Feb 2013 21:04:13 -0700 From: Theo Smit Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:04:12 -0700 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 7" wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, How well this works depends somewhat on whether you have, or are willing to use, the Minx drop spindles. I have 16x7 wheels, 205/45-16 tires, and nothing hits and nothing sticks out past the fenders as viewed from above. Without the drop spindles I had to have 7/16" additional spacers to keep the upper control arm clear of the wheel. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 21:21:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C86442D69 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:21:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f47.google.com (mail-vb0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B198D42276 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:19:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id e21so3207714vbm.20 for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:14:13 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:return-receipt-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject :date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=ENMQ0Lr56m746Zt7dzfaQnjYtSOJ+ZI7VUgW/KAGq4I=; b=aRwjX/4c6a73hTtCfPSfhRamCynj0Edn33/RaHAEB0Zc0ghNtE8wuO3h6OIHTwFfhV wTzSt0jd8kUi4iHXe7YOjeeZM6pX1FyFTeJ3bqqK+oobI3m9jMjHjXa5PbAQvTK2dqZK SOv2aWD1FPj/W9wOr6dRwl1pTEP4ygGsinndYXvbDNrJlaF4k1zaD5JshYWBtLVSkxb4 666+iK2tRrkPfmtVd3ZP72TU/NXBO5Wi9X999j9mjBJn6/BqeJDPgNmCt4otrvNor8gk siYsNaWlcE6LG1obcg2Iht41/KzrWzp5HIqHvV7yUS6wQQ5IA3oaDpO23pfb8zLiojqt fE+A== d1mr14881026vdv.109.1359864853508; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from Delbert (108-82-255-14.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net. [108.82.255.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pa4sm1805245veb.1.2013.02.02.20.14.12 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:14:12 -0800 (PST) From: "robertdhogan" To: References: <18801.2d612084.3e3f2660@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 23:14:08 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4BuCI3K5L8U7h6S0KuMm7UTBqwBQAC+zug Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I had a body shop custom flare roll the front and rear fenders' wheel openings to clear the 235/50Rx13 tires on 7" wide rims. The fronts' forward 1200 edge and the rear well forward and top areas were the primary region of interference. Rob Hogan -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MWood24020@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 9:33 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Anyone have direct experience with the 7's and clearances? My valence is near stock, we did do some basic smoothing, prior to the car going to paint. How large a tire might fit? (I could see running as small as 195/50-15 at all four corners). Thanks for any thoughts! Mike Wood _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 21:35:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9096142D57 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:35:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm3-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B3442285 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:27:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2013 04:22:45 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.172] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2013 04:22:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2013 04:22:45 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359865365; bh=URg6qMjC1h/qU9mKTRqa8Gc8Q7tkyaUsDw34wu5y1Ro=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=u9OSruMLKeL9/9pxawfvnYVW0gFs2LpTiR59PVTft6OlTDOknjbCWG/agQvfONls4E2iywQhDO4g7C4u1Q16fS9JDmhaTg7k6yvMfVxIr4VNVgWnLqacPcnp5y1epM1t98UIvUqO89U/J02T4Y6GbAivBt+ththbGutT1R7N7Lk= qS10MnVnqmNdIX1PVeUbmHLLaqU06gE96zsTYh1Yuk0.vkXYEQkXQkMmvTYd tshCRo77JUh6TUGu2U5RuevCfBtjf0Pgl2fzkt.fLOBLNGHFZPv5NVsmzqQL 5fRarVKZuhSMPdLI8KXXGBLaCL56iXS3x.drjLWWxNdcApSEplufxt1r_LU_ dom1q7ZdBG1Dx9CCmbHwGPNTglenOg4A2cwkXMMcKWNhSy2Xh30nzAc6MogP MsxtFvRzF03ZyvYPrGHz6OIAJ5a2vleyeIPzOfepX0P3wgTLcCPVMbLST5uh BndcF9i9o7T_w_uusOxjmpAFGFk1x0IDuO3qgXTDughXp_0aZcMBVfseTGoi I4YQJlnyYbkXTgbsN3bNIJzABOaG3x8Vdi3JTOihsJpoFVAPS6SlUyDZ.tNr ywl8daGkyA5tt7MGJ6hyvpMWtfSQtzRCFPqH93w-- Received: from RossPC (ross_hulse@108.199.135.20 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Feb 2013 20:22:45 -0800 PST From: "Ross Hulse" To: , References: <18801.2d612084.3e3f2660@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 20:22:42 -0800 Thread-Index: AQIbwGxJRdsbcwyc5JvdykuTXXn+XZfMBTLg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Mike, 15x7 will not work on the front. The rim width and offset to keep the wheel inside the fender will impact the upper A frame before full lock. This is why people go with 6 inch rims on 15's in the front. If you go to 16's or 17's the rim will be over the A frame but have new problems such as rubber band size tires. I don't know if there are other interference problems with large rims as I have never tried them. I have tried 15x7 all around and discovered this truth at a cost of 2K. Want to buy some custom made wheels? Some people I am told addressed this problem by grinding down the seam on the A frame to get clearance. I opted not to weaken my suspension and went to 15x 6 in the front and 15x7 with the proper offsets. Problem solved and I am running Kumho 205/55-15 Ecsta 4X on all 4 wheels with no clearance problems other than gently rolling the rear fender wells. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse I'm about to buy some new wheels for my Tiger. Because of the lack of quality off the shelf wheels for our cars, I'm leaning towards 15" diameter Panasports. While kind of "belly button" wheels, they are very well made and reasonable cost. The usual 6" front/7" rear fitment has limited appeal, primarily because of the handling compromises that result. I'd like to run 7' all around with equal size tires. Anyone have direct experience with the 7's and clearances? My valence is near stock, we did do some basic smoothing, prior to the car going to paint. How large a tire might fit? (I could see running as small as 195/50-15 at all four corners). Thanks for any thoughts! Mike Wood _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 21:51:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C05742D80 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:51:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD4D40F5F for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:45:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 80AF31C000097; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 23:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mla002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.80]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 15B09E000081; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 23:40:02 -0500 (EST) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 23:40:01 -0500 (EST) To: ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1359866402; bh=G76YccksaHhObNic0uSMTCfJ/FpjcD9mV97uxpWrD20=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VtYqqg8RSHKqYbU+9iDIubpNF8zNR/pcAf9cZc1Rl54ns8UtC8BdGs+uDkdZ8bKMq fsimTyXN3tWXjLqErXhH+yc+3Q0Usq8wT+U/wVfRMfUOo/H+ge2WQqv6ayXgsvS6OE 02jr1NRgTuM8dBVKcNAqsi7d8FXuPPgNznvlQ6Tw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c9510dea22739c Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thank, Ross, that is very clear and helpful. Unfortunately, not what I wanted to hear! ;-) My problem is, if both ends of the car are set up to maximize available grip, the car will push (given stock suspension) with a smaller front rim...running equal size tires won't address, as the rear's will have better sidewall/tread control . I can adjust set up to minimize, but that isn't my first choice. I don't see going to 16's, mostly because we can expect better tires in the 15" diameter, going forward...at least, based on discussions we've been having with the providers (Toyo, BFG, Kumho, Hankook) to SCCA Solo. In a message dated 2/2/2013 8:22:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net writes: Subject: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Mike, 15x7 will not work on the front. The rim width and offset to keep the wheel inside the fender will impact the upper A frame before full lock. This is why people go with 6 inch rims on 15's in the front. If you go to 16's or 17's the rim will be over the A frame but have new problems such as rubber band size tires. I don't know if there are other interference problems with large rims as I have never tried them. I have tried 15x7 all around and discovered this truth at a cost of 2K. Want to buy some custom made wheels? Some people I am told addressed this problem by grinding down the seam on the A frame to get clearance. I opted not to weaken my suspension and went to 15x 6 in the front and 15x7 with the proper offsets. Problem solved and I am running Kumho 205/55-15 Ecsta 4X on all 4 wheels with no clearance problems other than gently rolling the rear fender wells. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse I'm about to buy some new wheels for my Tiger. Because of the lack of quality off the shelf wheels for our cars, I'm leaning towards 15" diameter Panasports. While kind of "belly button" wheels, they are very well made and reasonable cost. The usual 6" front/7" rear fitment has limited appeal, primarily because of the handling compromises that result. I'd like to run 7' all around with equal size tires. Anyone have direct experience with the 7's and clearances? My valence is near stock, we did do some basic smoothing, prior to the car going to paint. How large a tire might fit? (I could see running as small as 195/50-15 at all four corners). Thanks for any thoughts! Mike Wood _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 21:54:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0160A42D88 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:54:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C23E42285 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:53:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vglV1k0031vN32cA6gosmz; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 04:48:52 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vgos1k00E2xZMJ48igosDK; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 04:48:52 +0000 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 04:48:52 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: MWood24020@aol.com s=q20121106; t=1359866932; bh=5ZNrtQ22VL1qzivOqCYonoLOxssgCoCk9NK/EHRFzIU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=WTDS+SK9fPiGR61rzg8apQJf0mS6btTxp79pb7jz/JE8ZMOko2PgftG82TFsE181A FQpLYIPRUljyxSsbjreCcIezCqCHHQMjSv474qq2pTWWYV+9fgsMOW2ImN+YQFse/R k8aXMsvO0JhnnCFC/IEObiWlyv5TEGds41myN1Zngg4nUsh5GC9pIDwHgPFbHDfLNw NMRaaFF1arijg/3TZxgEM2AHv3Peo3Tl5QHNsAo9LM70pI6uOAngTtQT4QzvMl5k6U KnLK2q51LMvBGAcXvhECp+9GS/1GQEPE4CHI5THyFfHcHWbLGb4W9tf9EgyD6XejM7 komtr/g06OvDw== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I personally like 15 inch wheels with 205/50 tires on 7 inch rims. That is the setup I have for my "street tire class" autocross tires. They give a very nice ride in conjunction with my 450 lb. front springs. My regular street wheels are 16 inch wheels with 7 inch rims with 205/45 tires in the front and 215/40 tires on the back. The result is a bit on the harsh ride side. The issue with 7 inch rims on the front is to have the correct backspace. You need a backspace of 4.75 inches to get the wheel and tire to fit reasonably well inside or equal to the outer fender line and still have the wheel clear the suspension control arms at full deflection. Given the width of the 205 tire, you will have to trim off about 1/4 inch of the lower edge of the front valence where it curves back a bit toward the wheel opening for clearance at full steering lock. Many people have done that and the trimming is really not noticeable to any significant degree. I did not have to do any other wheel well or fender lip modification. While you are not predisposed to 6 inch rims and narrower tires on the front, keep in mind wider front tires result in a noticeably heavier steering effort especially at low speed. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: MWood24020@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 8:33:04 PM Subject: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels I'm about to buy some new wheels for my Tiger. Because of the lack of quality off the shelf wheels for our cars, I'm leaning towards 15" diameter Panasports. While kind of "belly button" wheels, they are very well made and reasonable cost. The usual 6" front/7" rear fitment has limited appeal, primarily because of the handling compromises that result. I'd like to run 7' all around with equal size tires. Anyone have direct experience with the 7's and clearances? My valence is near stock, we did do some basic smoothing, prior to the car going to paint. How large a tire might fit? (I could see running as small as 195/50-15 at all four corners). Thanks for any thoughts! Mike Wood _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 22:07:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4299340E01 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:07:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDFC4056C for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:05:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vgEe1k0021vN32cABh0Epx; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 05:00:14 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vh0D1k00d2xZMJ48ih0DMy; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 05:00:13 +0000 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 05:00:13 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: MWood24020@aol.com s=q20121106; t=1359867614; bh=jH5t9mRK+DrnzkiVRNxoB81Gx180rNwJWHdIOLosevU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=W8timQEwBRIJhzKh84im4IByoTzjFFl1eEWENG6N2Bh3prkAplwobuSJxnq7Y+pTy GMItem0E9FFbRH5zEgf+kKckQ3R3CXDzExdtLEqWFpphQWht2aTWh1cruzTAmUk/WV Hv7+ATPQPIFDK2SmejMtSIwiB6faLYHzA0jt3agUzJLDaxNKrInR90I7rd5iutT23l UuC9G2KvIiOb+z+4LzEL1dkcsrQpziW/x98hzykERGerYGQPAbDnU+LjbFkbjvzRK7 +GhUaZn0llsdIDYArw9APDa70McXtAuyZvdX3G9U4kPIZRPXnoHb+4hyjMhcELcv1r XbXJzug37ushg== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Correction to my initial response. On the rear I did trim the excess inner well lip back at the top to the spot welds for additional clearance. For the most part that just involved trimming off the amount of extra inner fender well metal to the edge of the stock outer fender lip. A minor adjustment in my view. No fender lip rolling involved. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: MWood24020@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 10:48:52 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels I personally like 15 inch wheels with 205/50 tires on 7 inch rims. That is the setup I have for my "street tire class" autocross tires. They give a very nice ride in conjunction with my 450 lb. front springs. My regular street wheels are 16 inch wheels with 7 inch rims with 205/45 tires in the front and 215/40 tires on the back. The result is a bit on the harsh ride side. The issue with 7 inch rims on the front is to have the correct backspace. You need a backspace of 4.75 inches to get the wheel and tire to fit reasonably well inside or equal to the outer fender line and still have the wheel clear the suspension control arms at full deflection. Given the width of the 205 tire, you will have to trim off about 1/4 inch of the lower edge of the front valence where it curves back a bit toward the wheel opening for clearance at full steering lock. Many people have done that and the trimming is really not noticeable to any significant degree. I did not have to do any other wheel well or fender lip modification. While you are not predisposed to 6 inch rims and narrower tires on the front, keep in mind wider front tires result in a noticeably heavier steering effort especially at low speed. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: MWood24020@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 8:33:04 PM Subject: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels I'm about to buy some new wheels for my Tiger. Because of the lack of quality off the shelf wheels for our cars, I'm leaning towards 15" diameter Panasports. While kind of "belly button" wheels, they are very well made and reasonable cost. The usual 6" front/7" rear fitment has limited appeal, primarily because of the handling compromises that result. I'd like to run 7' all around with equal size tires. Anyone have direct experience with the 7's and clearances? My valence is near stock, we did do some basic smoothing, prior to the car going to paint. How large a tire might fit? (I could see running as small as 195/50-15 at all four corners). Thanks for any thoughts! Mike Wood _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 22:07:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D04D40652 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:07:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4774056C for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:06:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C8E4D1C0000BA; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 00:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mla002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.80]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4A427E000085; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 00:00:56 -0500 (EST) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 00:00:56 -0500 (EST) To: genepadgett@comcast.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1359867656; bh=YgTk73Z8LFi3tzdo5Ic6favY/zfPQaiMm7uNTBJvZHo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ecUWbwTOaYoqsCslItuXrs1R6uE7ppQZus2sH/8kc2Svl1mfCCvcdEfoU4FoECAno hcLBDiEbRs5dMpwFPsAUe3n3eUz8eHMxQYsIEVHfisYYxjvNK1M07x8IgZy8/xKXi3 Esv9Bcv5owlwi+IgKyTp1NhudfmOZnYHhuXZpmM4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2909510def0861a9 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The 15X7" with 205/50 is what I want to run. A 4.75" backspace is an ET40 offset, I believe. Any off the shelf options? I hate to trim the valence, as the car was just painted and we welded in a nice reinforcing "lip" on the inside of the piece. I'll have to take a closer look, as it is entirely possible that the valence has been trimmed "back in the day". I can compare with the one of the other Tigers at the shop. Not too concerned with steering effort, but that is a great point. My other thought may sound strange, but I'm also considering running 15X6" all around with 195/50 Toyos. If I did that, I would make a billet spacer (hub and wheel bore centric) to push the rears out a bit. Thanks for the info! In a message dated 2/2/2013 8:48:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, genepadgett@comcast.net writes: I personally like 15 inch wheels with 205/50 tires on 7 inch rims. That is the setup I have for my "street tire class" autocross tires. They give a very nice ride in conjunction with my 450 lb. front springs. My regular street wheels are 16 inch wheels with 7 inch rims with 205/45 tires in the front and 215/40 tires on the back. The result is a bit on the harsh ride side. The issue with 7 inch rims on the front is to have the correct backspace. You need a backspace of 4.75 inches to get the wheel and tire to fit reasonably well inside or equal to the outer fender line and still have the wheel clear the suspension control arms at full deflection. Given the width of the 205 tire, you will have to trim off about 1/4 inch of the lower edge of the front valence where it curves back a bit toward the wheel opening for clearance at full steering lock. Many people have done that and the trimming is really not noticeable to any significant degree. I did not have to do any other wheel well or fender lip modification. While you are not predisposed to 6 inch rims and narrower tires on the front, keep in mind wider front tires result in a noticeably heavier steering effort especially at low speed. Gene ____________________________________ From: MWood24020@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 8:33:04 PM Subject: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels I'm about to buy some new wheels for my Tiger. Because of the lack of quality off the shelf wheels for our cars, I'm leaning towards 15" diameter Panasports. While kind of "belly button" wheels, they are very well made and reasonable cost. The usual 6" front/7" rear fitment has limited appeal, primarily because of the handling compromises that result. I'd like to run 7' all around with equal size tires. Anyone have direct experience with the 7's and clearances? My valence is near stock, we did do some basic smoothing, prior to the car going to paint. How large a tire might fit? (I could see running as small as 195/50-15 at all four corners). Thanks for any thoughts! Mike Wood _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 22:08:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C677C42DBB for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:08:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B8140571 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A225E380000AF; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 00:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mla002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.80]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 39EE0E000081; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 00:02:54 -0500 (EST) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 00:02:54 -0500 (EST) To: genepadgett@comcast.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1359867774; bh=U0ZXTy7+qwGY+kPX061re0ns8bG0MPlmiStwzJJlztk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=J9yfL+y9aXVYu2iDr23ReuIV+/OXxqlZgqxIDsihoC7sSyzocIp4gn3Gb27AIaYdu Of1lmqvMJBMBmiVWh7fdNUesZKh9Q3Nk1ocXKE7YsY216jx3TGfMoZLgTMI6gK3XL3 LHX/2ifyukO5EBI8Ua527TajymoCLMoe8tldmcws= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d510def7e1213 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Both front and rear lips are either trimmed or rolled on my car, per Tom Hall's methodology :-) In a message dated 2/2/2013 9:00:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, genepadgett@comcast.net writes: Correction to my initial response. On the rear I did trim the excess inner well lip back at the top to the spot welds for additional clearance. For the most part that just involved trimming off the amount of extra inner fender well metal to the edge of the stock outer fender lip. A minor adjustment in my view. No fender lip rolling involved. Gene To: MWood24020@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 10:48:52 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels I personally like 15 inch wheels with 205/50 tires on 7 inch rims. That is the setup I have for my "street tire class" autocross tires. They give a very nice ride in conjunction with my 450 lb. front springs. My regular street wheels are 16 inch wheels with 7 inch rims with 205/45 tires in the front and 215/40 tires on the back. The result is a bit on the harsh ride side. The issue with 7 inch rims on the front is to have the correct backspace. You need a backspace of 4.75 inches to get the wheel and tire to fit reasonably well inside or equal to the outer fender line and still have the wheel clear the suspension control arms at full deflection. Given the width of the 205 tire, you will have to trim off about 1/4 inch of the lower edge of the front valence where it curves back a bit toward the wheel opening for clearance at full steering lock. Many people have done that and the trimming is really not noticeable to any significant degree. I did not have to do any other wheel well or fender lip modification. While you are not predisposed to 6 inch rims and narrower tires on the front, keep in mind wider front tires result in a noticeably heavier steering effort especially at low speed. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: MWood24020@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 8:33:04 PM Subject: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels I'm about to buy some new wheels for my Tiger. Because of the lack of quality off the shelf wheels for our cars, I'm leaning towards 15" diameter Panasports. While kind of "belly button" wheels, they are very well made and reasonable cost. The usual 6" front/7" rear fitment has limited appeal, primarily because of the handling compromises that result. I'd like to run 7' all around with equal size tires. Anyone have direct experience with the 7's and clearances? My valence is near stock, we did do some basic smoothing, prior to the car going to paint. How large a tire might fit? (I could see running as small as 195/50-15 at all four corners). Thanks for any thoughts! Mike Wood _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 22:39:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE85142D97 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:39:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA444053C for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:39:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vc0q1k00G1ZMdJ4AChaHa5; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 05:34:17 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vhaH1k00S2yr1eL8chaH5u; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 05:34:17 +0000 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 05:34:17 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: MWood24020@aol.com s=q20121106; t=1359869657; bh=5eSldQUckWT6nsIbaJxlGnQ0Kd47mpfDjdFevVhRYW0=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=n6aDAmfKUAuFJb0ttwD5yaBBbnR1N2eN2WJ44VikA7tFgG6Ms1E7omzRjGldDZbIK 4sQr1GZu8xbwjyeCoEZw1ZilBCrEcoCpo5oGkyaXbwoDwjMnkePrInhmh+8HlfS/+T A0DP5c/kuWvEgrGd6rxClUrcR4IoptSkJbrTJy+84n3e48OD4AGCI2ECMZR6XdYe99 4aYm5p5AxT1pa7ywn8AEd+6hLS1lxUryGXFQovbcWLolK5Hb8mnaEBUFR43Hp+NDfo YVQQbr/q+uUqXhQ4ewH9QD6FH6rbshWuXHB8pJlpnv9yrs89NhIb/6iNhA3wk+SCTH A6wdf4GBCsWGg== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Thoughts on 7" front wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: MWood24020@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 11:32:02 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels I do not know if there are any off the shelf wheels to meet your needs. VTO Performance has some 15 x 7 inch wheels that have a 5 inch offset which corresponds to a +25mm offset on 7 inch rim.. They can be drilled for the 108mm (4.25 inch) bolt pattern. You might be able to use them with a 5mm spacer in the front. I got their 16 inch x 7 inch wheels back when they were Superlite branded wheels so I cannot really say this would work. There might be an issue with having long enough wheel studs length to give the lug nuts enough turns. My autocross wheels are just old 15 inch Mustang turbine/hurricane wheels, with Dunlop Direzza Star Spec tires. I have to run 3 mm spacers front and on those for clearance. BTW my 16 inch Superlites were drilled for 1/2 inch studs but the 7/16 lug nuts they supplied made every thing work Might want to see if the 15 inchers they have now can be drilled for 7/16 inch studs if you talk to them. Gene ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: MWood24020@aol.com To: genepadgett@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 11:02:54 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Both front and rear lips are either trimmed or rolled on my car, per Tom Hall's methodology :-) In a message dated 2/2/2013 9:00:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, genepadgett@comcast.net writes: Correction to my initial response. On the rear I did trim the excess inner well lip back at the top to the spot welds for additional clearance. For the most part that just involved trimming off the amount of extra inner fender well metal to the edge of the stock outer fender lip. A minor adjustment in my view. No fender lip rolling involved. Gene ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: MWood24020@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 10:48:52 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels I personally like 15 inch wheels with 205/50 tires on 7 inch rims. That is the setup I have for my "street tire class" autocross tires. They give a very nice ride in conjunction with my 450 lb. front springs. My regular street wheels are 16 inch wheels with 7 inch rims with 205/45 tires in the front and 215/40 tires on the back. The result is a bit on the harsh ride side. The issue with 7 inch rims on the front is to have the correct backspace. You need a backspace of 4.75 inches to get the wheel and tire to fit reasonably well inside or equal to the outer fender line and still have the wheel clear the suspension control arms at full deflection. Given the width of the 205 tire, you will have to trim off about 1/4 inch of the lower edge of the front valence where it curves back a bit toward the wheel opening for clearance at full steering lock. Many people have done that and the trimming is really not noticeable to any significant degree. I did not have to do any other wheel well or fender lip modification. While you are not predisposed to 6 inch rims and narrower tires on the front, keep in mind wider front tires result in a noticeably heavier steering effort especially at low speed. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: MWood24020@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 8:33:04 PM Subject: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels I'm about to buy some new wheels for my Tiger. Because of the lack of quality off the shelf wheels for our cars, I'm leaning towards 15" diameter Panasports. While kind of "belly button" wheels, they are very well made and reasonable cost. The usual 6" front/7" rear fitment has limited appeal, primarily because of the handling compromises that result. I'd like to run 7' all around with equal size tires. Anyone have direct experience with the 7's and clearances? My valence is near stock, we did do some basic smoothing, prior to the car going to paint. How large a tire might fit? (I could see running as small as 195/50-15 at all four corners). Thanks for any thoughts! Mike Wood _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 01:44:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A314246C for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 01:44:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFB842278 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 01:32:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 13so2753446iea.28 for ; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 00:27:17 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=e8NJccNzDnOWFe6IQEH/WtfCzs7PX556mFcaXpRTpIo=; b=c3/TTp/Xxi42LqLgTZ6pm2nz/GuLjISCVYZCdxoOcwSUX7gg9DT+mac8ixeiPA2rJG /FUEKaktVKw6s2ghSAO9r8obdoSfFdOgE2vedexsrADAzziIXC0vCY5ls9G9xNrrddaF DSKQ5PFVtxL3zbo2B1PglEL9kz6ORy8I/F+/X9oFq8hcz+SYx8GtevfqoPE5vKmNNhSh 3uUEC2aer/5OjUop6mmyZvrrmxZ5y+jC0EUfYpltmBzaAo0v1zHke6l/JKcO2BYYDgIG t3r+v4Z/KHLzUu4Zat4HflnCkeqaBrX28TpJqImoALuU+qT7UuBpExerLFIJvTdWbscs /Gxg== gj3mr2611875igc.14.1359880037736; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 00:27:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.9.10 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 00:27:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 19:27:17 +1100 From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: [Tigers] Clutch activation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net To the knowledge bank, A friend has just got his Tiger on the road, the hydraulics have been replaced, new clutch M/C and slave. When you drive the car it is often very difficult to select a gear when stationary when the engine is running, if the car is not running no issue at all. If you let the car roll forward a little it selects nicely. There are no issues with it when on the run, and if the car is switched off and you are just moving the shifter. So linkage seems to be fine, no clutch slip, and no selection issues.. just a problem when stationary... we suspect the arm is not disengaging correctly... any thoughts or suggestions? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 08:59:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4314C42D9A for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 08:59:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3483342450 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 08:55:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2013 15:50:26 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.198] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2013 15:50:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2013 15:50:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 60729 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2013 15:50:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359906626; bh=QxnHW6+rBnZmdk54/cEs3eFjWJ7s97r4wpCt6sdcaaA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iukPu3sPdWEn1s+yLJtyGkEOAgw9yaSDZscYV7qHdNy7I4Vl6h5lGxpv+1XKc26RaOBT8EJL6b8VOmtVy74YaeVSLN8akt+txP+5YBYWyDbh4Hv5rWDbQfM2ne+7GM+kEGo9DcHp3jzfum+TbT4J4OHK1W/O03mxgzDZu3ECRV8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VZcw3GKgY9ACnABbFJG0xzcDa7vHT2ukpph2NcbxdUFv0JA4y/DwkJJwWgeQBlri+oQOQ5tcKcUDwb8GZ6fRBIcDJ74S/87V342LqwZWrarUfGVAaA8KcbLCxbB2w7Jg/GfnltR98nNilYGNZETZ5vp88NWsFK+WLCoXLVDpk9Q=; mpmphRrer2RxA491oDosAy0nRR5kHKexPqn1FKNQqqZC1UotUARQVTZhsO3t dcFEJzU_fmbDLB6vNJRe66fWpDiK4hY0BaUKJ5JmJ6L5my3HcrZlNKHGtMOy zWLqewEQk27_QRSa_yIJcf6qkcE3OMwTIbzm8WTfGikAYfUj.9VQWigNjri3 NrgbWrkJfY.fHfnBgaENs9eByvLO0DV7quLuMjFfMoRXmFPU41dIGVQek6gy LG5wdabFf9mQFn_1NBgu.2rPPkKTz6jEh0qY_3VvZiwzcwFtrZJszqBO5yDU QLgPZIw7JUTvP2yZCAk2cH6jrnEeMhpuVsjzIN9nuT3rSpM.NiSFcTKwXwbZ IJiegjh3bms9sithPGt.U8P_KIh9hcZLQwqe4_Wa96dsRSLvciG4d766yrSF ta_FfgOkLEKt526O3P8Q9UvEH_Q0CN0yfdSI8Ffk3uvDgef3akPQtLBMWN2f YrTjX_kndLh2OjZ_J4QlgtEN1l4O7F.MFgv2XFUbIGXbrhx9UE.7bXze5.ak eWWUfzekZ4wvGIn8- Received: from [63.142.116.58] by web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 07:50:26 PST TXkgZ3Vlc3MgaXMgdGhlIFRPIEJlYXJpbmcgaXNudCBjbGlwcGVkIG9uIHByb3Blcmx5IG9uIGJvdGggY2xpcHMuIFRoZSBiZWFyaW5nIHN0YXlpbmcgb24gdGhlIHNoYWZ0LCBhcyBpdCBoYXMgbm8gY2hvaWNlwqAsIGlmIG9uZSBvZiB0aGUgdHdvIGNsaXBzIGlzIG9mZiB0aGUgYXJtLCB0aGUgYmVhcmluZyBpcyBvdXQgb2Ygc3F1YXJlLCBjcmVhdGluZyB0aGUgZGVzY3JpYmVkIHByb2JsZW1zLiBXaGlsZcKgaXQgZG9lcyB3b3JrLCBqdXN0IG5vdCBwcm9wZXJseS4KCgpUb255IExhbmcgKFR0VCkKCgo.X18BMAEBAQE- References: Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 07:50:26 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Lang To: michael king , Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch activation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My guess is the TO Bearing isnt clipped on properly on both clips. The bearing staying on the shaft, as it has no choice , if one of the two clips is off the arm, the bearing is out of square, creating the described problems. While it does work, just not properly. Tony Lang (TtT) >________________________________ > From: michael king >To: Tiger Talk List Tiger >Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 2:27 AM >Subject: [Tigers] Clutch activation > >To the knowledge bank, > >A friend has just got his Tiger on the road, the hydraulics have been >replaced, new clutch M/C and slave. > >When you drive the car it is often very difficult to select a gear when >stationary when the engine is running, if the car is not running no issue >at all. If you let the car roll forward a little it selects nicely. There >are no issues with it when on the run, and if the car is switched off and >you are just moving the shifter. > >So linkage seems to be fine, no clutch slip, and no selection issues.. just >a problem when stationary... we suspect the arm is not disengaging >correctly... any thoughts or suggestions? > >-- >Regards > >Michael King >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com > > > > >ce _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 09:14:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F1542DAF for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 09:14:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f169.google.com (mail-ia0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A668840E1F for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 09:10:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ia0-f169.google.com with SMTP id j5so7230609iaf.14 for ; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 08:05:17 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=x-received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=jq7PHHtLn9Dz++ZaC8UftcCQAbhjGjo+dyTzIVKsUBw=; b=M9el4iXcFAsrz1V0e6pIH7nFhdNKlGSWSIowbRU4szLfhfgBkd17GbtsEBTtGMIuFd bIlQRVpr/VeswgIOIjanFR4XUpjiIBz4hCBkGmpFIcK5lckFyLIr0kYvhREe63WQR3HB 7oISEt3o9jzXry62KmeP0wXbApDPQoQY2BqZ6Mz+PowXHXLhdO1tLhGs6p35gfu18ARm PtA5zZ27pFWq810UoEKGrHvszT34xwb7mwdBMh/tzx2GdJdTqk3eTRpxGkTD5w8uLdiO ayHqgyWk3bcaJdHIe8mV2hvjl5pCUE2iv4QMa8h4sQlXXMXpyDUQgAuMLjD9BT4BzzcF jS0A== ur10mr3143726igc.16.1359907517082; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 08:05:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.29.196.188 (bda-74-82-80-128.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ww6sm10478556igb.2.2013.02.03.08.05.15 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Feb 2013 08:05:16 -0800 (PST) References: <1359906626.60014.YahooMailNeo@web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Tony Lang" ,"michael king" ,"Tiger Talk List Tiger" From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:05:12 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch activation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I vote for bad bleed or mismatched parts - even though be thinks all correct parts ordered. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Tony Lang To: michael king; Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch activation My guess is the TO Bearing isnt clipped on properly on both clips. The bearing staying on the shaft, as it has no choice , if one of the two clips is off the arm, the bearing is out of square, creating the described problems. While it does work, just not properly. Tony Lang (TtT) >________________________________ > From: michael king >To: Tiger Talk List Tiger >Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 2:27 AM >Subject: [Tigers] Clutch activation > >To the knowledge bank, > >A friend has just got his Tiger on the road, the hydraulics have been >replaced, new clutch M/C and slave. > >When you drive the car it is often very difficult to select a gear when >stationary when the engine is running, if the car is not running no issue >at all. If you let the car roll forward a little it selects nicely. There >are no issues with it when on the run, and if the car is switched off and >you are just moving the shifter. > >So linkage seems to be fine, no clutch slip, and no selection issues.. just >a problem when stationary... we suspect the arm is not disengaging >correctly... any thoughts or suggestions? > >-- >Regards > >Michael King >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com > > > > >ce _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 09:15:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE05142DB4 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 09:15:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f169.google.com (mail-ia0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E0A40E1F; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 09:12:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ia0-f169.google.com with SMTP id j5so7367945iaf.0 for ; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 08:07:09 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=x-received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=TRnT2XizmI3SaQTgF5IZ2vr0bW7nWz5HSmEONlcQ46I=; b=u/Ma1C6Y0u52+dA5fB5ILGnWqriEFEWvtqpV18c1087Zq6Lj81G/QeH2A5muzqQ5FK OX9sYAxZeTQlzkNLrtc5C24WR6KxJ2pw5pf+HeBBldfRgdvJZTXzsxfQZKK7JRzS4re8 gjOCBvNIPzmmttBcwfjkWPstXAx+b1/qzvEYAVJPNtjfoCWxBixrYgPi+k6DobrtmiQI 3fvoy7fMdHv/g5+B9tfp9pZSdBGlFrdIiQG/t2Hdyxu6kfDCZZI5/V3gqvDuJy3hxqdj +EknwfUwcB0k079N5t8JcWq8lxDbULcJR4PCXAbIDi92YMFM3URbEnZCl3b7FmEdk+HJ +Rpw== ny3mr3123004igc.13.1359907629442; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 08:07:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.29.196.188 (bda-74-82-80-128.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vq4sm10453315igb.10.2013.02.03.08.07.08 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Feb 2013 08:07:08 -0800 (PST) References: Sensitivity: Normal To: "michael king" ,tigers-bounces@autox.team.net,"Tiger Talk List Tiger" From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:07:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch activation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Also, does the Tiger slave attach like the Alpine one, where someone who doesn't know what he is doing might mount the pipe on top and the bleeder screw on the bottom? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: [Tigers] Clutch activation To the knowledge bank, A friend has just got his Tiger on the road, the hydraulics have been replaced, new clutch M/C and slave. When you drive the car it is often very difficult to select a gear when stationary when the engine is running, if the car is not running no issue at all. If you let the car roll forward a little it selects nicely. There are no issues with it when on the run, and if the car is switched off and you are just moving the shifter. So linkage seems to be fine, no clutch slip, and no selection issues.. just a problem when stationary... we suspect the arm is not disengaging correctly... any thoughts or suggestions? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 09:29:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3363542DC4 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 09:29:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDC542499 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 09:28:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2013 16:23:21 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.243] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2013 16:23:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1052.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2013 16:23:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 71994 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2013 16:23:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359908601; bh=GD3OnoLwCxzhn9cePpSEPLsBe3xMWk8H4f1Sh0ZdFHs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CI82qGLL6rn0YJPRIvZX5+HLlnFe8EuM2TCJnLUsUkNK/hep0YqpiP9ntIWylrDC7E8lG2uUPJ1PTJJ+0Z2UBR6ywio6NizINPapHwF0QYiN/SpA++bySwxJh9CYcJzHhfkNcPx4pngRugNkbEiJyiibsnCG18BbnUfQcvrG3uc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VTNWAPjEODFEAzYbZ0NsCvDxF2wE0MCOCPpQTS9MppZia7SLUBD1tkY4HrcTYtAii9JWW8aNvFvdL9rxVBuwo8AuhF3FmBt66KS8FlX5lfEQkMRJ6vwMgyWDa0d7yJsL5w1D+sewvmVR8Ks/bL3YdU3xn3pCoYFxIwMM/6bEqf8=; en5VZaxWZlhqsNh3VkJe1UVTXxfAwNMBB.UE4sUocWwv3_Mk7KQnmbgbHeOx c5t_Zx9mCYW58HhtNVMm3V4A_A91L9QCAK7QivO7nvE.gXZ.eijRqEYm4KAc UlT51DGFiNX_R0Y68UDqHe8gm6x5Q3c8dYHyQtQ2ff7lCM1WFnp4TLsPpmiY Tf2aVPhhDLr33iYXp2p8McgOYslv_mFbG01XWIUOoDPJ1jrxMIhfJhyYi2jy eEMDNNWNJ3kllJwfUIMj0aaZGPQk8XwACKu384Rtl_1jPRQfonSECtkUQiXp _BSECy29n9EYqojNWqYNOf.28ktbSYeApWSwjvfZnjh2xnoPZ.ASdkebiFUD PB_lVwPweihFl22sEm_CH6DHm51IlzVvZOcbDAL6X4HF2a1m0sALxZR8jMg8 EEDWuV86ykfZaro7caOkU.Xsvfh8p1kwFq6nUmdwj0iqmNOZz5vUQlb_7Fnv _WIUm_BVxQHy7ti6oba5vmAVgiw42tYnOtQRpkOuxgDphSF9JvZJtVFqon8j NhZ9vfdTpVGYu7A-- Received: from [63.142.116.58] by web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 08:23:20 PST CkluIHJlZnJlbmNlIHRvIHRoZSBHVDQwIGhlYWRzLiBTZXZlcmFsIHllYXJzIGFnbywgSSBpbnZlc3RlZCBpbiBhIG5ldyBzZXQgZnJvbSBhIENhLiBzcGVlZCBzaG9wLCBoYXZpbmcgbmV3IGFuZCBsYXJnZXIgc3RhaW5sZXNzIHZhbHZlcyBpbnN0YWxsZWQgd2l0aCBtYXRjaGluZyB2YWx2ZSBzcHJpbmdzLCBuZXcgcm9sbGVyIGxpZnRlcnMsIGhhZCBhIG5ldyBzZXQgb2YgQ0FUIGhlYWRlcnMgY29hdGVkIGFuZCBjZXJhbWljIGxpbmVkLS0gSSB3b3VsZCBsb3ZlIHRvIHJlY29vcCBteSBpbnZlc3RtZW50IGEBMAEBAQE- References: <000001ce01a1$363af900$a2b0eb00$@com> <1856DC17CBBA48FCA3A8A0A9EC5CAC2D@DellD4700> Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 08:23:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Lang To: "A. C. Tynes" , "johnp@ciseast.com" , "Carmods@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 CID Cam Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In refrence to the GT40 heads. Several years ago, I invested in a new set from a Ca. speed shop, having new and larger stainless valves installed with matching valve springs, new roller lifters, had a new set of CAT headers coated and ceramic lined-- I would love to recoop my investment as the spark plug holes with the headers bolted on(just a couplebolts- so I cant comment on ability to tighten all the bolts) DO NOT allow me to isntall spark plugs. I also should have waited to have the headers coated until after an intial fit on the Tiger. I could have had aluminums with a bit more $$$ spent BUT had read about all the increase HP from the GT40 heads and alumin ones where pretty expensive at that time- SO, if anyone is interested I have a great set of brand new GT40P heads- suppose I should have mentioned the "P" as they are supposedly improved over the orginal GT40 heads. Cheers!!! TtT Tony Lang (TtT) >________________________________ > From: A. C. Tynes >To: johnp@ciseast.com; Carmods@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net >Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 9:12 PM >Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 CID Cam > >John and John, et al > >I can't imagine going to the expense of rebuilding an engine and not converting >it to roller lifters and roller rockers. The parts cost a little more, but it >is really simple to do. You get the advantage of reduced engine friction and >eliminate the whole "breaking in the cam" problem. You also get the advantage >of using the latest and best cam lobe designed for your purpose. See the last >paragraph about changing the firing order, which is also simple. > >John Logan, this applies especially to your friend since he is going to have to >buy new hydraulic lifters anyway. > >I have heard that roller rockers may not fit under stock Tiger chrome valve >covers, but the Ford roller rockers I have in the Tracker engine fit fine under >my ribbed stock cast aluminum "Power by Ford" valve covers, but you would have >to check for yourself. Those look like the finned "COBRA" valve covers I see on >a lot of Tigers. > >John P., you may run into a problem with the GT40 heads. The header bolt >locations are the same as other Ford heads, but the aftermarket header pipes >seem to be located slightly differently and there are differently shaped stock >exhaust manifolds for the GT40 heads. You may have problems getting to and >tightening the header bolts. There are special headers made for the GT40 heads, >but I don't know how they fit a Tiger. Otherwise, you will save yourself a lot >of trouble if you put on the headers before putting the engine in the car. > >For general information, however, remember that the 302 uses two different >firing orders and thus not all cams for the 260 and 289 will be usable in the >302 or vice versa. The 351 Windsor (and the Cleveland?) uses a different firing >order from the 260, 289 and earlier 302's. The later 302 firing order was >changed to match the 351, but I am not sure when the change was made. I have >seen it written that the change was made in 1995 and also seen where it was >made when the 302 changed from carb to fuel injection. > >Of course, you can use any cam in any engine as long as you match the firing >order to the cam. The Tracker 302 originally used the old firing order, but I >used a Ford E303 cam with the new firing order and moved the spark plug wires >around. Works like a charm. > >HTH, >A. C. Tynes > >-----Original Message----- >From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of johnp@ciseast.com >Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 5:59 PM >To: tigers@autox.team.net >Subject: [Tigers] 260 CID Cam > >In addition to the cams listed by other forum members, Summit Racing also >has a cam that apparently is suitable for 260/289/302 if there is valve >clearance. Since this motor is disassembled can the owner take a look at >the pistons to see if they are the OEM dished pistons without valve reliefs >or are they later pistons with valve reliefs. > >The Summit cam is #K3600 and includes hydraulic lifters for $109.95. This >is supposed to be one of the clones to Fords C90Z-6250-C from the 1969 sbf. > > > >My 289 engine is undergoing rebuild now with 4.020 bore, the K3600 cam, 1996 >Ford Explorer GT40 heads and probably the Edelbrock #2121 or $7121 intake >topped by a moderate (500-600) 4 bbl carb. Any body have any adverse >comments to this setup before I purchase the parts? >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker@gmail.com >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 11:51:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE79424D1 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 11:51:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm29.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm29.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.156]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E5D42480 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 11:50:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.97] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2013 18:44:58 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.91] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2013 18:44:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2013 18:44:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 9005 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2013 18:44:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359917097; bh=d3UJutjTO1wO+yvNXRAx0Cn4EgnHsKKDM1Dgynozn/s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RWzlmCaFeWbcJPKSh/aG+Xyqfcl8KxZuAkGi6GO8vfedtsHvhBl+oIjWJWsWqC3n1I6EgPqBMxAyImQ29D11mP4G8QHjDml8gUKOz8Plz952YEWSB3Ew1HSpDyVgrCsihVootX7EXBwyqITM5NViB17Adz+OuNCPC78jaNAlK4g= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HH6cthystcDUXd4IPYReYKCuVlJaN+cI+nFKnO+oyr7rhGMza0IOG7Clafl/w0DsTFhwhFtHIBEQo3OGRswqz/Kz6ZmbpdvlewC7TUTO4uNfJtEDRjhH/9sNcoOE3hEKQbsKeuBfKDYMqhjhctg3qof985MNdJcrM+HTttHgs8w=; TMRZeyyibXvezBVhVNVefAmU1AypcRrQCxqzkB9a51OsdW1uO2z4AJVifV2R R2BRQ02jJkymgB1IbG1NRWHAHNq.RB_TsF9vn5zfc7r8tKGDACw41QiZSHnG XLBzTOWuanYYaJtzOAnOoymKSloRLN_Jj6CMoe3.zieMKYBd3SXmDWuDOvAV KY8lr4m1tMndomJu6BCMsaRE5BG.uOz6QwrWJf2E3lc1SB4eJLmVGApesfaB BUvJPNOUP5xsV_MMZEwtG9qlj9jMGxXPcgXAJrI10vxGSns4DK2z5Yx.FECZ k1dXcMeMD4ZMtF9CVDxFCruvDUbBISZxOhwG2OAXby6fmkU_0ZWvm3pMa4jh hN9a_dKPxqxp9yJ.hlov5JsYQwNhNGHSLFoYZf7I7iIpdA.GKtlGQJLlzh2b c23Ua85zEOlJL7f3KGCjYtlXlHdaGXqwee2OpJDsQh1adhH1b5AN9_0F8XzU s.AddGhJC Received: from [108.201.223.46] by web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 10:44:57 PST TWljaGFlbCwgTGlzdGVycwoKVGhlIGNsdXRjaCBjb3VsZCBiZSBkcmFnZ2luZy4gVGFrZSBob2xkIG9mIHRoZSBjbHV0Y2ggcHVzaCByb2QgYW5kIGZvcmNlIGl0IApmb3J3YXJkICh0b3dhcmQgdGhlIGJsZWVkZXIpLCBzZWF0aW5nwqB0aGUgcGlzdG9uIGluIHRoZSBzbGF2ZSBjeWxpbmRlciAod2F0Y2ggCnRoZSByZXNlcnZvaXIgZG9lc24ndCBvdmVyIGZsb3cpLiBJbW1lZGlhdGVseSBtb3ZlIHRoZcKgcHVzaCByb2QgYmFjayBhbmQgZm9ydGggCmJldHdlZW4gdGhlIGNsdXRjaCBhcm0gYW5kwqB0aGUgc2wBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:44:57 -0800 (PST) From: tigeruk@sbcglobal.net To: tigers@autox.team.net, michael.s.king@gmail.com Subject: [Tigers] Clutch activation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Michael, Listers The clutch could be dragging. Take hold of the clutch push rod and force it forward (toward the bleeder), seating the piston in the slave cylinder (watch the reservoir doesn't over flow). Immediately move the push rod back and forth between the clutch arm and the slave to check for end play. If it exists, adjust the rod longer, leaving a little clearance. As you adjust, keep checking that the piston remains seated as it may creep to the rear while unloaded. Regards, Pete Phelps _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 12:52:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9FB42545 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:52:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD6F42471 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:38:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vt0H1k00516AWCUAFvZYDs; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 19:33:32 +0000 Received: from TomHP ([76.25.117.16]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vvZX1k00L0MJH7Q8SvZY3a; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 19:33:32 +0000 From: "Tom Kukla" To: , References: <18801.2d612084.3e3f2660@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:33:32 -0700 Thread-Index: AQIbwGxJRdsbcwyc5JvdykuTXXn+XZfNCDaQ Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1359920012; bh=q23U7Taks8ncfYcpYLoGz+rM6T86nxm59MCtsjXSs3w=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=EYBbvmQRpdrCJZ3vXSKmS0JUnLK17oEfDOXxGo3bn7loMi4PAGVF/Iwf1OwhCMhI1 tB+wj68fBMcvJVsYRZO0vIH4djI9EzDfunYl5tbAsF/ruc3SfdKSQiU8SI772TRs7T pHJ6XWSBWW7u9RVTo75rdt/BNq2SG9H3r9BMpQQ+EfHVnlMsdqXjFLRbva9BrXYsjT +I5S1iq3DDdvJKrGV203XGRDPFjSl5lr/lzM91fPELCJyGKsirfqeaKyb4/FJAK0GD Pbk3GS493j+M51N6QGkM7cIcp7+NjTSBDGVdBVKU30TdQUoUytcEKIvthHE4jFiApp vjlzJ1s55of2Q== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, I have 15" Panasports on my Tiger. I run 205 X 50 X 15's on the front and 225 X 45 X 15's on the back. All rims are 7" wide. My valance has been trimmed. Fronts have no problem. Rears rubbed a little on the springs so I ground them slightly. Seems to work alright on the open tracks. I got the rims from Dale A. Call me if you would like. I am in the Lone Tree, Colorado phone book. Tom Kukla tlkukla@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MWood24020@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 7:33 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels I'm about to buy some new wheels for my Tiger. Because of the lack of quality off the shelf wheels for our cars, I'm leaning towards 15" diameter Panasports. While kind of "belly button" wheels, they are very well made and reasonable cost. The usual 6" front/7" rear fitment has limited appeal, primarily because of the handling compromises that result. I'd like to run 7' all around with equal size tires. Anyone have direct experience with the 7's and clearances? My valence is near stock, we did do some basic smoothing, prior to the car going to paint. How large a tire might fit? (I could see running as small as 195/50-15 at all four corners). Thanks for any thoughts! Mike Wood _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tlkukla@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 14:09:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FF742558 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 14:09:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C97F40541 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 14:04:26 -0700 (MST) a=BeWdqiWlckOWHPP4A+HLTA==:17 a=v1lLKaffea0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=d3nNNOba8sMA:10 a=Ea7ZCK_gEjoaHz39hM4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=M8jvuoPW8XMr_Q1idAUA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=BeWdqiWlckOWHPP4A+HLTA==:117 Received: from [65.27.153.194] ([65.27.153.194:62147] helo=OwnerHP) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 33/56-25887-4AFCE015; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:59:16 +0000 From: "Curt Hoffman" To: Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 15:59:15 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4CUTHZvEghLbvoRZitoAAJGgAHOA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Truck bracket location Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I am making a new plywood trunk "floor" for my Tiger. Wanted to check stock installation since I am not sure the one that is in my car is original. Do the brackets that support the floor and hang off the front bulkhead mount on top of the plywood and get covered by the vinyl, or do they mount underneath the plywood and are exposed when you lift the plywood floor? Thanks, Curt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 14:40:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AD342587 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 14:40:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f49.google.com (mail-la0-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3104248E for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 14:32:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id fs13so3990100lab.8 for ; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 13:27:47 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=jxPfcYGP2uaJDZiBayPdzs5esTsqUsnejXXaSLS4IPQ=; b=jEIBiaFLhj2LGXR4vEzn3tVdLsLs0lNLZQUogbruehSiN0TUHAWaPkkCJ3N2XGm+P7 KICuIEouJExUZYOkMNQDbGvJRV5gTzFwuy8tdm6TeIyJpeekqfCs1To5zmdIphbqUXfS W57Cni6u39TBwFNs4jCE6eUCzgQ/yd13IKkWcAM/bMoJ2qncV19e71yW3M/0rBfCVZke YyapqawVvAx3lV5d/9dl0JI7lpah/3kw8cwljvk2n88mybyYZjavjdGrxYe1jLWxTrLq fH+YKYEtdleiaXuhdeb8Q/MPIs/4mfezWu9X4XvPwc2ajdtTZPCBCIeUj6ELKzcAjuiH YxBA== j6mr7345147lby.25.1359926866821; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 13:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.82.163 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 13:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.82.163 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 13:27:46 -0800 (PST) References: <003501ce0251$53d81640$fb8842c0$@cinci.rr.com> Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:27:46 -0500 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: Curt Hoffman Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Truck bracket location Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just curious if you are using regular plywood, treated plywood, birch or something else. Any thoughts of more modern materials like a composite veneer over honeycomb core or engineered plywood. Michael Shortt On Feb 3, 2013 4:04 PM, "Curt Hoffman" wrote: > I am making a new plywood trunk "floor" for my Tiger. Wanted to check stock > installation since I am not sure the one that is in my car is original. > > Do the brackets that support the floor and hang off the front bulkhead > mount > on top of the plywood and get covered by the vinyl, or do they mount > underneath the plywood and are exposed when you lift the plywood floor? > > Thanks, > > Curt > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 15:26:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D10425B2 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 15:26:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18F4406ED for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 15:15:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r13M7TRZ028120; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 14:09:52 -0800 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b343) id dm0224.510c2954.33eea; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 14:09:42 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Curt Hoffman'" , Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 17:09:39 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4CUTHZvEghLbvoRZitoAAJGgAHOAACMtog engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-03_10:2013-02-03,2013-02-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1302030194 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Truck bracket location Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Curt I have a trunk floor that I bought from Tiger Tom. The brackets are on top of the plywood covered by the vinyl and there are I believe they are called Tee Nuts on the bottom. The original plywood I would think was a Marine grade plywood, 7 layers if I recall. You would need a Marine or Furniture grade plywood for the floor. I'm sure Tiger Tom can answer detail questions if you have any. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Curt Hoffman Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 3:59 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Truck bracket location I am making a new plywood trunk "floor" for my Tiger. Wanted to check stock installation since I am not sure the one that is in my car is original. Do the brackets that support the floor and hang off the front bulkhead mount on top of the plywood and get covered by the vinyl, or do they mount underneath the plywood and are exposed when you lift the plywood floor? Thanks, Curt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6068 - Release Date: 01/30/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 15:41:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE22425AA for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 15:41:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f175.google.com (mail-ia0-f175.google.com [209.85.210.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252B842579 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 15:32:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ia0-f175.google.com with SMTP id r4so7288748iaj.6 for ; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:26:55 -0800 (PST) s=google; h=x-received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=2BX0l9Y7GoY7Yrbf5WoGKuAzrUhyOksdnQYZHQyGe3Q=; b=GHTywJ36O+4Bc2xW5goRFwMlxAi1xF9tTfRGzVlCNPPQu+36uYWHHMlNN5eWcVQvRs ggEZuOpVyz3Sy+VG29RMrN15wbnLRSqTJfQd6Pnx9vnSRmFTA8KQdu1NSuo3NxdsHC6B YHn6Y9yLuGNyaqLOa0Tu3m8pqiZliw79qqBGM= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version :x-gm-message-state; bh=2BX0l9Y7GoY7Yrbf5WoGKuAzrUhyOksdnQYZHQyGe3Q=; b=C7/HVFfluhhOMDR8TZ1gFoNrwPBpYwxFbmt/4x/4zghnxmAlA9jRSho5206EruFwCS cydnOGTwz2QuD6eROQkDQZnnFxZTWSHnW3c9JyrFRs152VjITNIVBrs6PWFDLBMCmLx6 lNTv58NWGpAP9SviEnGfrbElRwrwVmRzr2ayLyB3/lv9wsq73F8sc75D/fBj6GTJj6lU lbW2He1Bl4TmmrMyIGXDT478LvEuivMoLyeS8otwrmzmnfHZnsOpj/YEQ3FXTBF5PlDf TMk31jyNLahmoqHV5ld3kOUlAi+/5ah6mu2NE0/gRK17OsmFQ8+MkbXy6jfEaaET5O+f 6Gzg== fv6mr3607903igc.48.1359930415263; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:26:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.29.205.204 (bda-74-82-82-117.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.82.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id uj6sm12803696igb.4.2013.02.03.14.26.53 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:26:54 -0800 (PST) Sensitivity: Normal To: "Curt Hoffman" , tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net From: dave@munroe.ca Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:26:51 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Truck bracket location Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Curt: I went through the same exercise. I had a non-stock plywood floor to replace. Made a new one using the non-stock as a pattern, and bought a new vinyl floor cover from SS. It wouldn't fit, so I trimmed the new floor to match the vinyl cover and presto - "just like factory" ! If I were you, if you are after a stock trunk, I'd buy a new cover and use that for the pattern. My front supporting straps are semi-gloss black and attach under the plywood floor. Dave ------Original Message------ From: Curt Hoffman To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Truck bracket location Sent: 3 Feb 2013 4:59 PM I am making a new plywood trunk "floor" for my Tiger. Wanted to check stock installation since I am not sure the one that is in my car is original. Do the brackets that support the floor and hang off the front bulkhead mount on top of the plywood and get covered by the vinyl, or do they mount underneath the plywood and are exposed when you lift the plywood floor? Thanks, Curt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 16:12:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829E54259A for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:12:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3A74044C for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:03:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vxK41k0021zF43QAFyxugd; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:57:54 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vyxu1k00C2yr1eL8kyxuRR; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:57:54 +0000 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:57:54 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Curt Hoffman s=q20121106; t=1359932274; bh=szvOr7A6LrG9rCQqUFiBOXF5Mz3o8GnBN5DuklfeSFY=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=C1nHJv4l+dk2il8aTqdUTtpdCWqekV1Q+IAPTVOlTLYxO2kBmKR4wLNgOuElB9dXz v8NLZd+ZENOxIT3fqeft4E2Vjjdq8Pc6WBARBBAdK69b0UeQm8AlFoteSCBBNcJ+A3 Gn5PahI7iUrqLyUtd3yGz2et0/WEvTxwdbjMyboUUU89dt0z4dKwAhmxllvN0x3eGy gMwacrIBVzrr7FA2bWb8x3loiteXaai7+5YGitfIhr+ju+djjqAdD4onxPTHSZzfYV ifaxnGAMNXcTYeUZTqqa0TxeOMMuyoczs+gRYCacSco4/LfQtIiuw28Dou1pP8jAay dzoq81Yo3gpdQ== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Truck bracket location Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Details from my factory original trunk floor: Hangers at bulkhead are attached at top of wood and covered by floor vinyl. Hanger attachment is by Phillips type ("Posi-drive"?) round head bolts ( I know it is that type of bolt because one bolt head has been worn through the vinyl...) Nut and washer on bottom side of floor . Wood is 5 layer plywood approximately 5/16 thick. Gene . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Hoffman" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 2:59:15 PM Subject: [Tigers] Truck bracket location I am making a new plywood trunk "floor" for my Tiger. Wanted to check stock installation since I am not sure the one that is in my car is original. Do the brackets that support the floor and hang off the front bulkhead mount on top of the plywood and get covered by the vinyl, or do they mount underneath the plywood and are exposed when you lift the plywood floor? Thanks, Curt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 16:28:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BC0427B0 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:28:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f180.google.com (mail-ie0-f180.google.com [209.85.223.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C67942579 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:16:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id bn7so4160269ieb.11 for ; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 15:11:19 -0800 (PST) s=google; h=x-received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=UA/p7EtBY89EolM+yOtl8uXPSzD5mJLGPoyLR3Qp9cs=; b=O7IufOoycKkWsVjkbZsdbIwlmMdwVA8sV8f/lMTj13rJ0O6mtF2RjLmGeWDxtf8Acu DQ47eotaYW29N95cKykMNDfJ7QWdywyF3nc+Mon5Ru05w1wgyQ3H5t2m6UN5XdVACYu5 tonQsdi06Fo0LVRH/0y5uYOdqfmE34gDaSnbc= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date :content-type:mime-version:x-gm-message-state; bh=UA/p7EtBY89EolM+yOtl8uXPSzD5mJLGPoyLR3Qp9cs=; b=UU3hrx/eQ1EYG6jD+gZv9rpa90+LEEtV4olyuoMHXeYyVF+qwM5TryYReG3HwWJBDu FS4XG/Afq08B7bhhEVMRIgndF5+XNqnYJhnQSGpAUsuV0QL3h/V7RlwNSSallP1xX9nQ AWcPvhnDwHQtfNvAWbiywkhyjbFkUNI/lj9+hgRj/u9NMB+LHeHEK52BJEeAijwABmoA Ti6UETYlCdV3cYV5YDa5Jc3WZuAEVp7Hzgq+gsb2PQw8O/TXMp1m3OyNHYLYo1ZwU+lK KwUbt3hNwK6nOgV+EVfv9mRfDaorLWoYMaO9REcHssO3rVaQbWBemdbwmjEbroXQbAOJ TLJw== va6mr3693213igb.42.1359933079297; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 15:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.29.205.204 (bda-74-82-82-117.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.82.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id kf2sm12973992igc.0.2013.02.03.15.11.18 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Feb 2013 15:11:18 -0800 (PST) References: <003501ce0251$53d81640$fb8842c0$@cinci.rr.com> <5E2B45B6AC4C428BB628B167415BBD87@ronpc1> Sensitivity: Normal To: rfraser@bluefrog.com,"'Curt Hoffman'" ,tigers@autox.team.net From: dave@munroe.ca Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 23:11:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Truck bracket location Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ron and Curt: I defer to your superior knowledge. My brackets were mounted underneath the floor, which made some kind of sense to me (!) During its previous restoration, it had a very well done custom interior by a shop that obviously knew what they were doing, but not much interested in originality. They also made the floor for the boot and installed the brackets underneath. Everything in the boot was then covered in carpet. Done back when Vans were in, and carpet was the material of choice.... Dave Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: 'Curt Hoffman'; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Truck bracket location Curt I have a trunk floor that I bought from Tiger Tom. The brackets are on top of the plywood covered by the vinyl and there are I believe they are called Tee Nuts on the bottom. The original plywood I would think was a Marine grade plywood, 7 layers if I recall. You would need a Marine or Furniture grade plywood for the floor. I'm sure Tiger Tom can answer detail questions if you have any. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Curt Hoffman Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 3:59 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Truck bracket location I am making a new plywood trunk "floor" for my Tiger. Wanted to check stock installation since I am not sure the one that is in my car is original. Do the brackets that support the floor and hang off the front bulkhead mount on top of the plywood and get covered by the vinyl, or do they mount underneath the plywood and are exposed when you lift the plywood floor? Thanks, Curt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6068 - Release Date: 01/30/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 17:15:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD2542E85 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 17:14:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f43.google.com (mail-qe0-f43.google.com [209.85.128.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC9B24256E; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 17:07:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f43.google.com with SMTP id 3so2083145qeb.30 for ; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:02:27 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=XDBm8f5KYALJgSDDzjosIWSLYh7X0nbtEAnq8VWvRbo=; b=CqCXgiv8Wc9iSCprNgSgqNQ7rH1AmxPY4RvKtMuoFNdDFvx9gALPwVwujRNe8Z5H0z VdOsGOJV17S7KQySMS9yiJX45lx0Wcvw1JN1bXAk6aytU/zf16IDEETROqDJ/PCGQjsG XN/mP0IRDmO3OQZztnVsqdKsVofA+vNatjdiKAxa9YQckiO1IaixsO7YGInVLIi6GaFI cRSivnPJ7DkWAr34nbsrhVdBdtVHmn84JGE0o9IQealzogpU2MFr51lJAAVisbyiLH28 VB2Dlx+Gf9CGYl4niZF1LUcywss+q1miriHayWcGxTGUyeihfEPApuTBPos3B3mZ5A8P v3Pw== hg9mr20060576qeb.34.1359936147085; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:02:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.129.69 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:02:26 -0800 (PST) References: <20130203161517.6F78542DBE@autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 19:02:26 -0500 From: Jeffery Randall To: jay.laifman@gmail.com Cc: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch activation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If it gets better by pumping up the clutch pedal he may not have bled properly Jeff On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:07 AM, wrote: > Also, does the Tiger slave attach like the Alpine one, where someone who > doesn't know what he is doing might mount the pipe on top and the bleeder > screw on the bottom? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: michael king > Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 19:27:17 > To: Tiger Talk List Tiger > Subject: [Tigers] Clutch activation > > To the knowledge bank, > > A friend has just got his Tiger on the road, the hydraulics have been > replaced, new clutch M/C and slave. > > When you drive the car it is often very difficult to select a gear when > stationary when the engine is running, if the car is not running no issue > at all. If you let the car roll forward a little it selects nicely. There > are no issues with it when on the run, and if the car is switched off and > you are just moving the shifter. > > So linkage seems to be fine, no clutch slip, and no selection issues.. just > a problem when stationary... we suspect the arm is not disengaging > correctly... any thoughts or suggestions? > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 17:30:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C38040E68 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 17:30:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FCA40513 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 17:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail130-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.247) by TX2EHSOBE007.bigfish.com (10.9.40.27) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 00:18:49 +0000 Received: from mail130-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail130-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172094E0182; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 00:18:49 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail130-tx2: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail130-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail130-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1359937125489561_29607; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 00:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS039.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.243]) by mail130-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725FC140047; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 00:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by TX2EHSMHS039.bigfish.com (10.9.99.139) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 00:18:45 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.179) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.328.9; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:18:45 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.3.88]) by OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.179]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:16:51 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "tigeruk@sbcglobal.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" , "michael.s.king@gmail.com" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Clutch activation Thread-Index: AQHOAj65rMo6Bzg/M0224lAYdib2nJho0/SQ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 00:18:43 +0000 References: <1359917097.8755.YahooMailRC@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch activation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net An easy test for a dragging clutch is to stop the car with the engine running, depress the clutch and select first; then select reverse. If you can do that without grinding-gear noises, take it out of reverse, leave it in neutral for a few seconds, and then try to re-select reverse. There should be negligible engagement noise. If there is lots of noise and/or it's not possible to select reverse (or, once you do, the car really 'wants' to go backwards) then the clutch is dragging. It could be, aside from the hydraulic or throwout lever/bearing issues already mentioned, that the clutch disc is damaged or warped. Theo ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 17:45:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2378427CF for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 17:45:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676E640323 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 17:39:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004959 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r140XGWv011636; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:34:14 -0800 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40188c29) id dm0225.510c2951.3ffa9; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:33:54 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , "'Curt Hoffman'" , Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 19:33:51 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4CY8bCTbhvy5p2QJupYwe72YCzqwACfjog engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-03_10:2013-02-03,2013-02-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1302030230 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Truck bracket location Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dave I'm not sure its superior knowledge, I'm just relaying how my purchased from Tom floor is put together. Somewhere I hid the original floor which was badly tattered. If I find its hiding place I will report my finding about that platform. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: dave@munroe.ca [mailto:dave@munroe.ca] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 6:11 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; 'Curt Hoffman'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Truck bracket location Ron and Curt: I defer to your superior knowledge. My brackets were mounted underneath the floor, which made some kind of sense to me (!) During its previous restoration, it had a very well done custom interior by a shop that obviously knew what they were doing, but not much interested in originality. They also made the floor for the boot and installed the brackets underneath. Everything in the boot was then covered in carpet. Done back when Vans were in, and carpet was the material of choice.... Dave Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: 'Curt Hoffman'; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Truck bracket location Curt I have a trunk floor that I bought from Tiger Tom. The brackets are on top of the plywood covered by the vinyl and there are I believe they are called Tee Nuts on the bottom. The original plywood I would think was a Marine grade plywood, 7 layers if I recall. You would need a Marine or Furniture grade plywood for the floor. I'm sure Tiger Tom can answer detail questions if you have any. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Curt Hoffman Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 3:59 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Truck bracket location I am making a new plywood trunk "floor" for my Tiger. Wanted to check stock installation since I am not sure the one that is in my car is original. Do the brackets that support the floor and hang off the front bulkhead mount on top of the plywood and get covered by the vinyl, or do they mount underneath the plywood and are exposed when you lift the plywood floor? Thanks, Curt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6068 - Release Date: 01/30/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6068 - Release Date: 01/30/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 19:02:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203824281A for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 19:02:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f173.google.com (mail-ia0-f173.google.com [209.85.210.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E285427E5 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:53:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ia0-f173.google.com with SMTP id h37so3165768iak.32 for ; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:48:09 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=oczrgT8PVC/n2h54344Ua+KhKguwXlYDIvBvaW2Mqxk=; b=Zuuo9XQze25VncfAV1Hmbx+3Q3af1vm/btixPM11YRS2lUBiveOWHecMsa4M7+Lug+ /g5hasnw5dI4GNwpI/huBClVhitos9wGryFChe8mPfztxB1pjwHVhjwscWEfU7/wnc80 85kj7FPBU1t9qRRYGSLkyu6UbDKPNu/L25XkArDsqBW7k5DtSz0nQJVanRQaiZWmuIla iy7vjjlv044eHlIfxDuDCyPCciQQfZowr21XyTQXflmFU9Qa3M5eCfL0FXY+gd1yAso7 74w1cnIZftC94Ws2qfGlS31Cm7VNFICMBH7c3O7wQYq3nuWxLD691xf+Ik6RiyD8Wz6i KXCg== a9mr3928572igc.10.1359942489644; Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:48:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.165.8 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Feb 2013 17:48:09 -0800 (PST) References: <1359917097.8755.YahooMailRC@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E15348B6E@OLAWPA-EXMB02.ad.garmin.com> Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 20:48:09 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: "Smit, Theo" Cc: "tigeruk@sbcglobal.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch activation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net surprised nobody has mentioned the pilot bushing. my jag engine was similar when i first put it together but fixed itself after about 100 miles of driving over the course of a week. i put it down to a sticky pilot bushing as i'd forgotten to grease it up. it was fine once moving but engaging reverse or first from stationary (particularly reverse) would be difficult and sometime grind. of course I may be wrong, but the fact that it fixed itself might give you course for hope :) On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > An easy test for a dragging clutch is to stop the car with the engine > running, > depress the clutch and select first; then select reverse. If you can do > that > without grinding-gear noises, take it out of reverse, leave it in neutral > for > a few seconds, and then try to re-select reverse. There should be > negligible > engagement noise. If there is lots of noise and/or it's not possible to > select > reverse (or, once you do, the car really 'wants' to go backwards) then the > clutch is dragging. It could be, aside from the hydraulic or throwout > lever/bearing issues already mentioned, that the clutch disc is damaged or > warped. > > Theo > > > ________________________________ > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the > sole > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, > please > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail > or > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 4 08:42:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA444043E for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 08:42:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EC5403E3 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 08:39:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r14FXrQ4025206; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 07:34:23 -0800 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0213.510c296b.548d9; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 07:34:11 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.145.61]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:34:10 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , , "'Curt Hoffman'" , Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 10:34:06 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4CY8bCTbhvy5p2QJupYwe72YCzqwACfjogAB+jDiA= engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-04_15:2013-02-04,2013-02-04,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1302040087 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Truck bracket location Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net OK, I found the trunk floor that came with my Tiger. The brackets are mounted on the top of the plywood. The hardware was changed at some point by me. Currently Phillip head machine screws with a washer and Nyloc nut. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 7:34 PM To: dave@munroe.ca; 'Curt Hoffman'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Truck bracket location Dave I'm not sure its superior knowledge, I'm just relaying how my purchased from Tom floor is put together. Somewhere I hid the original floor which was badly tattered. If I find its hiding place I will report my finding about that platform. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: dave@munroe.ca [mailto:dave@munroe.ca] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 6:11 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; 'Curt Hoffman'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Truck bracket location Ron and Curt: I defer to your superior knowledge. My brackets were mounted underneath the floor, which made some kind of sense to me (!) During its previous restoration, it had a very well done custom interior by a shop that obviously knew what they were doing, but not much interested in originality. They also made the floor for the boot and installed the brackets underneath. Everything in the boot was then covered in carpet. Done back when Vans were in, and carpet was the material of choice.... Dave Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: 'Curt Hoffman'; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Truck bracket location Curt I have a trunk floor that I bought from Tiger Tom. The brackets are on top of the plywood covered by the vinyl and there are I believe they are called Tee Nuts on the bottom. The original plywood I would think was a Marine grade plywood, 7 layers if I recall. You would need a Marine or Furniture grade plywood for the floor. I'm sure Tiger Tom can answer detail questions if you have any. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Curt Hoffman Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 3:59 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Truck bracket location I am making a new plywood trunk "floor" for my Tiger. Wanted to check stock installation since I am not sure the one that is in my car is original. Do the brackets that support the floor and hang off the front bulkhead mount on top of the plywood and get covered by the vinyl, or do they mount underneath the plywood and are exposed when you lift the plywood floor? Thanks, Curt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6068 - Release Date: 01/30/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6068 - Release Date: 01/30/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6068 - Release Date: 01/30/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 4 08:58:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7121840446 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 08:58:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A14C40416 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 08:49:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:44:17 -0500 From: "rande" To: choffman9@cinci.rr.com Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 10:44:17 -0500 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] trunk false flr hardware Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net snip..."Do the brackets that support the floor and hang off the front bulkhead mount on top of the plywood and get covered by the vinyl, or do they mount underneath the plywood and are exposed when you lift the plywood floor? Thanks, Curt" Curt, I just checked my original plywood floor on the IA(#48). The brackets mount on top of the plywood and underneath the vinyl cover. Only the four nuts and a little of the bolt threads show when the floor is lifted. Mine's old enough that the bolt heads are wearing through the vinyl, a little. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 4 08:58:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCC840426 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 08:58:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f42.google.com (mail-qa0-f42.google.com [209.85.216.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C3340417 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 08:53:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id cr7so1326632qab.1 for ; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 07:48:37 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=t2zVBpY4ph9jJrIbmRIxaJG91aLgd8LnDyQHtB9qQMA=; b=OZ9Fr0dJcNZLkiMtf8h6iESbpUfIUASIz2HenH6vS1wTfqxFLuRN+1sQM78U+BMnLe ErlGej/RLle9Xf+6mHORAXjo5gn1fzhcy2HSJWUBG1UpURd817cizT/XdGatJctuNwHw mbBPpVOWy9ZxkQ0LjyNjFcKNQ+8utH+y9tDd4= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=t2zVBpY4ph9jJrIbmRIxaJG91aLgd8LnDyQHtB9qQMA=; b=Lk+KCyskMXcAlC7aIfBiTM82JmwTUn79u4fUhx3/wxIAAZLWOLS1FHwZspXxP9KMVg Nf/nIrl2Hp69+4oHMAjAVGAPPZMn1Ylvh6gZdXRVZ7LiYCXVgdMcvhrTfdAth4qfP2ms Nl+0eRfG7z6B1NY/QPnCme94mDz9miX9Q41qj5Ls2cmF/DC5e6EW15SjSTGihrJmeGST ue4x7rSlu7T6IDMwaCGOwuvXPgyxM6OxuJfzm5eksifsqftESOTdi1sWnzrdNR/sYE1h v1KG8Jxh0t5SzzptesaTi1BaY7EAp6gBeUaaDqXJjBLHTAxznqtyH3FQvqmKWqUcFNF5 hneA== do1mr21165403qeb.26.1359992916816; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 07:48:36 -0800 (PST) References: From: Dave Munroe Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 11:48:36 -0400 To: "" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Truck bracket location Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dang Ron: That means I'm going to have to move mine! ....and I did such a neat job, too... But I should also be able to get a better match of the Dzus fittings with their brackets at the rear of the floor! Dave Sent from my iPad On 2013-02-04, at 11:34 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > OK, I found the trunk floor that came with my Tiger. The brackets are mounted on the top of the plywood. The hardware was changed at some point by me. Currently Phillip head machine screws with a washer and Nyloc nut. > > Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 4 09:44:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CFB4044C for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:44:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from out01.mta.xmission.com (out01.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36D74041C for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:43:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx02.mta.xmission.com ([166.70.13.212]) by out01.mta.xmission.com with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U2P3x-0004BN-MJ; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:38:33 -0700 Received: from mta2.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.66]) by mx02.mta.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U2P3x-0006G0-G0; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:38:33 -0700 Received: from mta2.zcs.xmission.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta2.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684396002DB; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:38:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from LynnPC (c-76-23-31-210.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [76.23.31.210]) by mta2.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0F916600378; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:38:33 -0700 (MST) From: "Lynn" To: "'Curt Hoffman'" , "'Tigers'" References: <003501ce0251$53d81640$fb8842c0$@cinci.rr.com> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:38:32 -0700 Thread-Index: AQJF4TLFr4enL1dwqjvuGyIVOBj81pd6KKeA Content-Language: en-us to false Subject: Re: [Tigers] Truck bracket location Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Curt, I know you will get all the answers from the other members of the list but the plywood should be a 5 or 7 layer Baltic birch (can't remember which). Resist the temptation to go with something more readily available since it will be rougher and not as strong. I believe the original was Baltic birch as well. It has very tight laminations and no (or very few) voids. Cabinet shops and most wood stores will carry it. Also know that one of the brackets is shorter than the others because it fits under the popup that covers the battery Good luck, Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Curt Hoffman Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:59 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Truck bracket location I am making a new plywood trunk "floor" for my Tiger. Wanted to check stock installation since I am not sure the one that is in my car is original. Do the brackets that support the floor and hang off the front bulkhead mount on top of the plywood and get covered by the vinyl, or do they mount underneath the plywood and are exposed when you lift the plywood floor? Thanks, Curt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 4 15:25:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C61940452 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:25:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F5C4042D for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:18:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wEot1k0021HpZEsACNDB7f; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:13:11 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wNDB1k00e2yr1eL8aNDB9H; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:13:11 +0000 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 22:13:11 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: MWood24020@aol.com s=q20121106; t=1360015991; bh=i0BwdAiPTGGuXQIc49KnyM3VMnHy21C2kJ99IUhbfF0=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=YGdGCfjXDOTqByjFNHbP0+dDsLYpO2uRbckFuDR4uKzflkzgHP9Stc0uLPDVvx69W P+hzpuuyGfMJqknXk7KEYRQZvkrPvbf51JgJEROwejyB9iQu1V30RXKvKJdmLl2NuG GA0k+/xH1HU7uuXe+zVOU6qvGXsdeAxYTGqzYYbr56r+Z8HrW8kmpQOfBHuk2qbksB mT4s7ddwjFttUO5w1sI8Bg+mqRf207xqttZklF+HO/zxVt41GyY9iy8V7AQr8QQ7rj jmJWlTERMvt0TooMq00Wfdw67oBPlzEpTH0QiQTzeVhoG3iXtxJmPwC21DINVqOscc 0FH6TKKLtCksg== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Mike, >I don't see going to 16's, mostly because we can expect better tires in >the 15" diameter, going forward...at least, based on discussions we've been >having with the providers (Toyo, BFG, Kumho, Hankook) to SCCA Solo. Details?? Like you, I need new wheels/tires. I decided a long time ago that 16's just don't look proper on a Tiger, 15 sounds like the way to go. When you figure out the optimum setup, maybe we could get a group purchase going.. At least my car is still awaiting body and paint so the massaging can be done based on wheel/tire! Also, nobody has commented, IIRC, a solution to the wide wheel to a-arm clearance problem was to use early Alpine upper arms with the bolt on ball joint.. probably as available (or not) as the dropped spindles but.... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: MWood24020@aol.com To: ross hulse , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 04:40:01 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Thank, Ross, that is very clear and helpful. Unfortunately, not what I wanted to hear! ;-) My problem is, if both ends of the car are set up to maximize available grip, the car will push (given stock suspension) with a smaller front rim...running equal size tires won't address, as the rear's will have better sidewall/tread control . I can adjust set up to minimize, but that isn't my first choice. I don't see going to 16's, mostly because we can expect better tires in the 15" diameter, going forward...at least, based on discussions we've been having with the providers (Toyo, BFG, Kumho, Hankook) to SCCA Solo. In a message dated 2/2/2013 8:22:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net writes: Subject: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Mike, 15x7 will not work on the front. The rim width and offset to keep the wheel inside the fender will impact the upper A frame before full lock. This is why people go with 6 inch rims on 15's in the front. If you go to 16's or 17's the rim will be over the A frame but have new problems such as rubber band size tires. I don't know if there are other interference problems with large rims as I have never tried them. I have tried 15x7 all around and discovered this truth at a cost of 2K. Want to buy some custom made wheels? Some people I am told addressed this problem by grinding down the seam on the A frame to get clearance. I opted not to weaken my suspension and went to 15x 6 in the front and 15x7 with the proper offsets. Problem solved and I am running Kumho 205/55-15 Ecsta 4X on all 4 wheels with no clearance problems other than gently rolling the rear fender wells. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse I'm about to buy some new wheels for my Tiger. Because of the lack of quality off the shelf wheels for our cars, I'm leaning towards 15" diameter Panasports. While kind of "belly button" wheels, they are very well made and reasonable cost. The usual 6" front/7" rear fitment has limited appeal, primarily because of the handling compromises that result. I'd like to run 7' all around with equal size tires. Anyone have direct experience with the 7's and clearances? My valence is near stock, we did do some basic smoothing, prior to the car going to paint. How large a tire might fit? (I could see running as small as 195/50-15 at all four corners). Thanks for any thoughts! Mike Wood _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 4 16:26:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0166A40438 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:26:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81FA0403DB for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:21:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130204231630.TIHS24708.mta31.charter.net@imp10>; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:16:30 -0500 Received: from NewDell ([66.189.206.21]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id wPGU1k00J0UDqg205PGWiE; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 18:16:30 -0500 a=HcWPusqb6EG3sjxMffD/Kg==:17 a=k_GU_8F9a1cA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=gcV2BHjUYWcA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pcLIrrrKAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=rLWpNvz3ajfZDNgR1okA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=ftFGBYpk1mUA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=WEB9XuCIZGKOB5sz:21 a=biHal202qrMuQaMb:21 a=HcWPusqb6EG3sjxMffD/Kg==:117 From: To: "Gary Winblad" , References: <431703242.723352.1360015991462.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:16:27 -0800 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net 16" look great. Just check out our tiger on Tigers United web site. If you can't find it, just let me know off line and I will send you a photo or two. jrv309@charter.net. Jerry and Marlene with the candy apple tiger. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Winblad Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:13 PM To: MWood24020@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Hi Mike, >I don't see going to 16's, mostly because we can expect better tires in >the 15" diameter, going forward...at least, based on discussions we've been >having with the providers (Toyo, BFG, Kumho, Hankook) to SCCA Solo. Details?? Like you, I need new wheels/tires. I decided a long time ago that 16's just don't look proper on a Tiger, 15 sounds like the way to go. When you figure out the optimum setup, maybe we could get a group purchase going.. At least my car is still awaiting body and paint so the massaging can be done based on wheel/tire! Also, nobody has commented, IIRC, a solution to the wide wheel to a-arm clearance problem was to use early Alpine upper arms with the bolt on ball joint.. probably as available (or not) as the dropped spindles but.... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: MWood24020@aol.com To: ross hulse , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 04:40:01 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Thank, Ross, that is very clear and helpful. Unfortunately, not what I wanted to hear! ;-) My problem is, if both ends of the car are set up to maximize available grip, the car will push (given stock suspension) with a smaller front rim...running equal size tires won't address, as the rear's will have better sidewall/tread control . I can adjust set up to minimize, but that isn't my first choice. I don't see going to 16's, mostly because we can expect better tires in the 15" diameter, going forward...at least, based on discussions we've been having with the providers (Toyo, BFG, Kumho, Hankook) to SCCA Solo. In a message dated 2/2/2013 8:22:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net writes: Subject: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Mike, 15x7 will not work on the front. The rim width and offset to keep the wheel inside the fender will impact the upper A frame before full lock. This is why people go with 6 inch rims on 15's in the front. If you go to 16's or 17's the rim will be over the A frame but have new problems such as rubber band size tires. I don't know if there are other interference problems with large rims as I have never tried them. I have tried 15x7 all around and discovered this truth at a cost of 2K. Want to buy some custom made wheels? Some people I am told addressed this problem by grinding down the seam on the A frame to get clearance. I opted not to weaken my suspension and went to 15x 6 in the front and 15x7 with the proper offsets. Problem solved and I am running Kumho 205/55-15 Ecsta 4X on all 4 wheels with no clearance problems other than gently rolling the rear fender wells. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse I'm about to buy some new wheels for my Tiger. Because of the lack of quality off the shelf wheels for our cars, I'm leaning towards 15" diameter Panasports. While kind of "belly button" wheels, they are very well made and reasonable cost. The usual 6" front/7" rear fitment has limited appeal, primarily because of the handling compromises that result. I'd like to run 7' all around with equal size tires. Anyone have direct experience with the 7's and clearances? My valence is near stock, we did do some basic smoothing, prior to the car going to paint. How large a tire might fit? (I could see running as small as 195/50-15 at all four corners). Thanks for any thoughts! Mike Wood _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jrv309@charter.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 4 18:46:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5164044C for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:46:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399F74042A for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:42:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BD2A31C000134; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 20:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mla004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.82]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7D2CFE000081; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 20:37:20 -0500 (EST) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 20:37:20 -0500 (EST) To: garywinblad@comcast.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1360028240; bh=ow8zUor2AFsYPGtXPSp5diFqZAfraoAQnqGzlYPmApc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dFGmWHA1aZH0Wk0YennbqVBXvjzZ0UQrq8VtQFKo1sc5M0QuMML3/IGdge+unRmwL 73crNPF09LHA7QtfULrEMFFz7dcckrIuaf2riy+/KmtIG0KFbEJjP7GRoffV6ARCdk TgVlsnoKeCGtA+49ZjT2y2PKt6nB0vwKueD0fSR0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb511062503d02 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If you look at the new BFG Rival, Dunlop ZII and the existing ultra high performance street tires, you'll see what I mean about more 15's than 16's...and it will become more clear cut when the new Bridgestone, Toyo and Kumho entries to the segment are released over the next 3-12 months. I think there are two primary reasons: First, you have cars like the NA/NB Miatas and other light cars that lots of folks use for track days, autocross and other enthusiast applications. The 15" provides a good combo of outside diameter (gearing, CG, etc with a reasonable aspect ratio), light weight and clearance for brakes. Second, the 16" diameter just never really caught on...too big for the little light cars and too small for the heavier performance cars, which have gone straight to 18's, on the way to the 19's and even 20's common today. So, the reps we talk to feel that there just isn't enough of a market for 16's to warrant covering that market in the ultra high performance segment, which is already a bit of a niche. In a message dated 2/4/2013 2:13:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, garywinblad@comcast.net writes: Hi Mike, >I don't see going to 16's, mostly because we can expect better tires in >the 15" diameter, going forward...at least, based on discussions we've been >having with the providers (Toyo, BFG, Kumho, Hankook) to SCCA Solo. Details?? Like you, I need new wheels/tires. I decided a long time ago that 16's just don't look proper on a Tiger, 15 sounds like the way to go. When you figure out the optimum setup, maybe we could get a group purchase going.. At least my car is still awaiting body and paint so the massaging can be done based on wheel/tire! Also, nobody has commented, IIRC, a solution to the wide wheel to a-arm clearance problem was to use early Alpine upper arms with the bolt on ball joint.. probably as available (or not) as the dropped spindles but.... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: MWood24020@aol.com To: ross hulse , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 04:40:01 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Thank, Ross, that is very clear and helpful. Unfortunately, not what I wanted to hear! ;-) My problem is, if both ends of the car are set up to maximize available grip, the car will push (given stock suspension) with a smaller front rim...running equal size tires won't address, as the rear's will have better sidewall/tread control . I can adjust set up to minimize, but that isn't my first choice. I don't see going to 16's, mostly because we can expect better tires in the 15" diameter, going forward...at least, based on discussions we've been having with the providers (Toyo, BFG, Kumho, Hankook) to SCCA Solo. In a message dated 2/2/2013 8:22:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net writes: Subject: [Tigers] Thoughts on 7" front wheels Mike, 15x7 will not work on the front. The rim width and offset to keep the wheel inside the fender will impact the upper A frame before full lock. This is why people go with 6 inch rims on 15's in the front. If you go to 16's or 17's the rim will be over the A frame but have new problems such as rubber band size tires. I don't know if there are other interference problems with large rims as I have never tried them. I have tried 15x7 all around and discovered this truth at a cost of 2K. Want to buy some custom made wheels? Some people I am told addressed this problem by grinding down the seam on the A frame to get clearance. I opted not to weaken my suspension and went to 15x 6 in the front and 15x7 with the proper offsets. Problem solved and I am running Kumho 205/55-15 Ecsta 4X on all 4 wheels with no clearance problems other than gently rolling the rear fender wells. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse I'm about to buy some new wheels for my Tiger. Because of the lack of quality off the shelf wheels for our cars, I'm leaning towards 15" diameter Panasports. While kind of "belly button" wheels, they are very well made and reasonable cost. The usual 6" front/7" rear fitment has limited appeal, primarily because of the handling compromises that result. I'd like to run 7' all around with equal size tires. Anyone have direct experience with the 7's and clearances? My valence is near stock, we did do some basic smoothing, prior to the car going to paint. How large a tire might fit? (I could see running as small as 195/50-15 at all four corners). Thanks for any thoughts! Mike Wood _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 12:27:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA724054A for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:27:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f52.google.com (mail-qa0-f52.google.com [209.85.216.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FE04053A for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:12:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id bs12so815693qab.4 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 11:07:25 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hKmuB+JVoGbEIpINXBz0sQNt3EplZ695QSl4GSFMtxs=; b=jMzM0XWLWnDD3o3ZoRYMcIczntZnU1DxKnDIELKT8Jr51s0AoRd5M7hp7MsT7UYJPf iYeYG2KdEnEQzU67T4/Dlep7hKKYUqnXamIPEENy28Fgv2hgW+jZCdoRgLGmC/RMj7Ri JDKyMostFDBv76RoPPILSAFQe+XSVGpYAp2EWzq3nzXfLyNUJPf5OO2Qpbh6XXtj0x1I ftovF0JsrLeIDTZw3WQIQ5zYmSky3jcwXvAATkVTXq/0Mi2yre3XFXTFcMPibt5vOzzt rqx18FlAwtqAw103Iu3slq6/3a2dnQBTZO9HxLYHhMUMuQZyLVO9LpfLkCHX+LpRVd15 8v8w== pe3mr24819313qeb.58.1360177645211; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 11:07:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.2.103 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:07:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 14:07:25 -0500 From: Tom Parker To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Mark 2 fender badges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello All, I'm finally getting around to installing the fender badges on my early Mark 2 and I've run into some confusion: My badges are labeled "SUNBEAM V8" the lettering is in bright silver and the background is clear. From talking to Richard and Rick at SS I understand what they have has a Black background. My expert tells me all the badges had a black background. I have no problem with that, but I kinda like the idea of the body color showing through. So, my question: Did Sunbeam produce clear background fender badges for the Tiger? If so, are there any available? I've looked carefully; there's no sign of the remains of any background paint. The badges are clear except for the silver lettering. Thanks for the help! Tom Parker '67 Tiger Mark2 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 13:13:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668EC40E20 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 13:13:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10ADC403EC for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 13:13:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r16K4A49021362; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:08:05 -0800 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0225.510c2951.adf38; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:07:57 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.145.87]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:07:54 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Tom Parker'" , Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 15:07:50 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4EnzQOlxsHv+ksQparrLX/qKbCpwABgHkg engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-06_02:2013-02-06,2013-02-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1302060152 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Mark 2 fender badges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tom I have never seen a Sunbeam badge that did not have a painted background except some well used ones. This is a very good question for Norm. I think the answer will be painted. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Parker Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:07 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Mark 2 fender badges Hello All, I'm finally getting around to installing the fender badges on my early Mark 2 and I've run into some confusion: My badges are labeled "SUNBEAM V8" the lettering is in bright silver and the background is clear. From talking to Richard and Rick at SS I understand what they have has a Black background. My expert tells me all the badges had a black background. I have no problem with that, but I kinda like the idea of the body color showing through. So, my question: Did Sunbeam produce clear background fender badges for the Tiger? If so, are there any available? I've looked carefully; there's no sign of the remains of any background paint. The badges are clear except for the silver lettering. Thanks for the help! Tom Parker '67 Tiger Mark2 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6085 - Release Date: 02/06/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 15:31:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682A240E27 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 15:31:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from defout.telus.net (defout.telus.net [204.209.205.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E183B403EC for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 15:27:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from edmwcm04 ([204.209.205.31]) by priv-edmwes50.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.8.01.03.00 201-2260-125-20100507) with ESMTP id <20130206222233.NGGY5280.priv-edmwes50.telusplanet.net@edmwcm04> for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 15:22:33 -0700 Received: from JimPC ([172.218.130.99]) by edmwcm04 with bizsmtp id xANQ1k01528pFa401ANT1T; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:22:33 -0700 cv=rMclIWNOyWbaRaosMf477BSoDkSAEHI3rR4jEZfW1q4= c=1 sm=2 a=qQntTBnlxJQA:10 a=kg4CHXgqtSEA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=UnzTgHv9AAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=dyTapXDjAAAA:8 a=u9f-laqujHFya_T4VA4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=a0o1xVR2z_QA:10 a=gBw44Nox7VgA:10 a=yVV4w0VGa376b3Z4:21 a=TT_k7InCah3oOMVB:21 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=8WgxZc01ZCBDP0SVqLQA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=AG-9pjUWa8_uOwJR:21 a=ih9kZobYvdfyAJek:21 a=5i8fJsUIzcDEu6N1:21 a=X8lC-KD5ezlA9tweNZMA:9 a=KQqxNPgzF0kA:10 a=ucH7BwLj_I8A:10 a=HxexboUzU77JL4Au:18 From: "jim" To: , "'Tom Parker'" , References: Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 14:22:24 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4EnzQOlxsHv+ksQparrLX/qKbCpwABgHkgAASHGqA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Mark 2 fender badges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Tom I have a pair of clear 'Sunbeam V8' badges that I got in an odd lot of Sunbeam parts a few years ago.. They are obviously 'repro' but I have no idea by who. There's some casting 'flash' on the corners but that will file off to fit I have no use for them, so if you want them, they're yours! I'm including a pic but the list won't see it... :( Jim B382000446 DSC_0372.JPG -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:08 PM To: 'Tom Parker'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Mark 2 fender badges Tom I have never seen a Sunbeam badge that did not have a painted background except some well used ones. This is a very good question for Norm. I think the answer will be painted. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Parker Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:07 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Mark 2 fender badges Hello All, I'm finally getting around to installing the fender badges on my early Mark 2 and I've run into some confusion: My badges are labeled "SUNBEAM V8" the lettering is in bright silver and the background is clear. From talking to Richard and Rick at SS I understand what they have has a Black background. My expert tells me all the badges had a black background. I have no problem with that, but I kinda like the idea of the body color showing through. So, my question: Did Sunbeam produce clear background fender badges for the Tiger? If so, are there any available? I've looked carefully; there's no sign of the remains of any background paint. The badges are clear except for the silver lettering. Thanks for the help! Tom Parker '67 Tiger Mark2 _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6085 - Release Date: 02/06/13 _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim@island.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6078 - Release Date: 02/03/13 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image003.jpg] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 16:49:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF1240537 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 16:49:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A239403DE for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 16:49:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 9999 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2013 23:43:45 -0000 Received: from host-246.ennis.tx.speednet.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (69.54.100.246) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2013 23:43:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:43:40 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Mark 2 fender badges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 18:35:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462CA403FC for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 18:35:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845FF403D0 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 18:25:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:19:53 -0500 From: "rande" To: tkparker1941@gmail.com Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 20:19:53 -0500 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger fender motifs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I've seen the fender motifs ("Sunbeam V8") with clear background, and generally they either have purposely been altered, or flaked off with age. According the pictures in the Book of Norman, Tigers had four variations, all of them with black backgrounds. Later Tiger 1A's and all Tiger Mark II's had the lettering that you have, again with black backgrounds. In addition to yours, the other letter variations were "POWERED BY FORD 260", "ALPINE 260" for early European market Tigers, and "SUNBEAM 260". Just to be a little confusing, I checked my IA(or as Terry insists, my B3820) and I have two "SUNBEAM 260"motifs and one "POWERED BY FORD 260". Rande Bellman B382000048LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 7 08:39:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61179406B5 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 08:39:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DAC40554 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 08:34:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id j8so1214824qah.7 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 07:28:55 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rnPNMNUS4sOjUVkVm4ry78OcrvmpA03mk2osFi1N7uw=; b=RiflKYyzJQPQhi/nRabUUNu9mUrLjLvQRz6C9vi09DF2vT7rzNqILrLw+sCOJxAf7x 4B5ViogjCYHZ2jy3bR7exX2FAfrIUAkcRqN/ZqtX8+5nGPBJNg76AuQWBg1XmM5EPXKr b+Il6m3a/HaV91k+9Ea9eZw6jc0iPvLM37Ttm57O/IoS4PTzff8JmFmi3BTgFBm9Ywbm 77huvh0hkWNCfYhXdmFU70pOEP+aPKGeU0Q+05bL9Xy+rUE1RuaaUoe9dOSj5tk9+FSS WF3dLz1MkinXzjOGcmiZNlJ2RfucbmZboR8DgrGnFhAShjgqRNJi5nGgPmDetFbCd6lY qW5Q== dl6mr751536qeb.33.1360250935197; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 07:28:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.2.103 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 07:28:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:28:55 -0500 From: Tom Parker To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Fender Badges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net An update: I asked Norm, who is the acknowledged expert on all things Tiger. His response: All Sunbeam Tiger Fender Badges had black backgrounds. So, either the black background wore off mine in the 46 years since it was built or the badges are replacements. Either way, I like the clear badges and I'll continue to use them if I can get the silver lettering re-done. I will, however, buy some from Rick when he gets them in stock so the next owner - in thirty years or so... - will have some originals to install if he / she wants them. Thanks to all for the responses. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 7 11:40:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E942540E38 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 11:40:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FBF40554 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 11:32:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xVGv1k00D0lTkoCACWT8oi; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 18:27:08 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xWT71k00a2xZMJ48QWT77r; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 18:27:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:27:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Tom Parker s=q20121106; t=1360261628; bh=GGQVWbtqSLAmhSk178zvjhDnnCPLinexqzLTCeaVjtg=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=IUfD9XSOyt6Hszdbs25ie0iwvcDR+AgdIO+7ybRdW/M+D7hkTYx/O+plTlta0rKss g+3piGiBdw+qkaernd1Exn7SaUJrgIyq0Yb4E0UWU0qbtgV/yxfReeBQGrEeR/A3Oj kAYNjDH++tid9u8tQL00IfDivJDqb1AfM9vKcxnU8JslqKYj9lr7thAc3Z0ygwhjgm lHEfAvZadFHBFNMAB491dORYkAxUlM1t+jQxqzwbjpagOovb60QkUp51OQGrSy6JcC 6I5Lhz2mqZ3IWOnjSGg2NBiR4hqxWvpkGiOB8eJQ++vfg/RW6m8fMM6HsExXqEMuJB pRuDp5gcJLtSQ== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fender Badges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My black was flaking off when I bought the car in 1971. I've re-painted them a couple times since and they need it again. I have seen a few cars with them painted a contrasting color, looked pretty good. Just don't destroy the chrome lettering! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Parker To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 15:28:55 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Fender Badges An update: I asked Norm, who is the acknowledged expert on all things Tiger. His response: All Sunbeam Tiger Fender Badges had black backgrounds. So, either the black background wore off mine in the 46 years since it was built or the badges are replacements. Either way, I like the clear badges and I'll continue to use them if I can get the silver lettering re-done. I will, however, buy some from Rick when he gets them in stock so the next owner - in thirty years or so... - will have some originals to install if he / she wants them. Thanks to all for the responses. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 08:27:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E9640EBB for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:27:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7078840690 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:22:37 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1360336623; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=To:Date:Subject:Content-Type:From:Message-Id; b=Nll7qWgo9YTkgCxCE2NMeMEn1Ax6geJaQ1CvGa0X//Syo/f4XrvzsFdAHxbz0X4fC gkRpWUdkH5zl/msoswQlelTm0TQFbRbwuVotiHc/+zIqIL/7Gg1t4hUw9XBUV90khO AdV4TjSsNSgM8CSHVOEWzS2N/A4oXwKSJBejVfi0= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (mailpop13.vgs.untd.com [10.181.45.33]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJTLFZGAEPURU2 for (sender ); Fri, 8 Feb 2013 07:16:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from spmdr@juno.com) by mailpop13.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SWFU4SP6; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 07:16:05 PST To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 07:15:51 -0800 From: spmdr@juno.com Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net There has been some interest in Tiger Torque Arms over at the competition, the CAT Forum. Not knowing how much crossover there is, I'll bring this up. ...as a public service... If you are interested in a Tiger Torque Arm, let me know. DW ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 55, But Looks 27 2013's No. 1 Cream. Mom is Wrinkle Free Thanks to Doctor's Secret! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/511516e65647216e6182dst04vuc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 09:14:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B07240EB1 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 09:14:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EAD40EA0 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 09:13:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130208160806.FWMA2351.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:08:06 -0500 Received: from fed1rmwml206 ([172.18.140.217]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id xs861k00J4hdPEs01s86Di; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:08:06 -0500 a=ZhPAqvP18NOZotFba0T7pg==:17 a=aAWZmX-IFqEA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=G4utBrD1QF4A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=uw7U8HJSEMgA:10 a=NoAKp6exAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=mv5Z1JgmGRer1RyOKJwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=B0cvAcWxpcAA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=ZhPAqvP18NOZotFba0T7pg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 72.197.184.155 by webmail.west.cox.net; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:08:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 8:08:06 -0800 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, spmdr@juno.com Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I just want to add that I am a very satisfied user of Dan's Torque arm. I installed it on my Tiger and the wheel hop stopped. The rear end just plants and the car goes. No drama just a thrill in the ole Butt-o-meter. Erich. ---- spmdr@juno.com wrote: > There has been some interest in Tiger Torque Arms over at the > competition, the CAT Forum. > > Not knowing how much crossover there is, I'll bring this up. > > ...as a public service... > > If you are interested in a Tiger Torque Arm, let me know. > > DW > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 55, But Looks 27 > 2013's No. 1 Cream. Mom is Wrinkle Free Thanks to Doctor's Secret! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/511516e65647216e6182dst04vuc > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 09:29:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896C540EB1 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 09:29:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C9C40690 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 09:19:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r18GDNnd016281 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:13:51 -0800 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b331) id dm0225.510c2951.107e24 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:13:41 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:13:01 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4GFyqS9dT3SxuqTsKMfx4SVrJWxQ== engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-08_07:2013-02-08,2013-02-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=23 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1302080126 Subject: [Tigers] RU faster than a Redneck? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The latest issue of Hot Rod Magazine, April 2013, has written a review of the upcoming Speed TV show "RU Faster Than A Redneck?" Their review is positive. The cars, trucks are also shown, are well built Pro Touring cars and the drivers are pushing hard. This could be interesting to watch. Let's hope that the show does not turn into scripted BS in the editing room. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 09:31:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546FC42259 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 09:31:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm31-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm31-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F944003F for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 09:30:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm31.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2013 16:25:12 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.173] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2013 16:25:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2013 16:25:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 63358 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2013 16:25:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1360340712; bh=9sLuqrG2M0HmEm8bp4gruUlc7hSBauHPGL4CAB+M8/A=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zFVbTC2sJ2cHKnzQQ1RvU8HPAnUFw82XIxyP1k7+0u4FRmBUZgt+6v+piDJmvC/7o6VZIKGAgzAEfxITDuXjRch2OBJvRGCoCb/7azqB2Fs/GpvGl8wudl/4syFPUreTPmxNZBDDDEts5GAmxBDRLAGDWfNtYu+g3j6sgLRPPh4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UZLvad/dyAZ43PMLTnY66V7RPI3pVga1rQmMBTOVExbn30vf0v0ITKnmP6E26xzcYp1YYgrNYnALuTyIIwwHJoWH7EVeJ7+yFgDS/mP8Pi8M4oujJ2NOq8px9Qro03Tj4p1DWKoNlRiqh/N72PkmGK2cK7GrO3HYmm/WBdfld4E=; 1AqFxF7qhPpL8i7lmleq8rBhw1yq9w66QUbb8ETpHbigMjyb2c6vf3L_UYv. d9NjVmauPU6yjPWUp7z6aGgyGEiKgLm745JtrZl7sWhMgh0qi3tHi0kd1jQo e4J8SA1kxE0Dh.RAAosS595J_7WBROz5GSoZEOzc5hrZF5F1LhdqoLOpKT.j 46rvEj3KgOhefzWeuXpTDCDCDQuLwZwdBP_oy2fnz2mxl3L1MS.NzNCB2vFU XQDhFa5NENLfSbznxpGdKLrAMJqTS5efHofBMJks60CJUsKmQaknmjxwNMt3 VdS9wPnBbGY4kFJoRdqya_ySXx55JzjHQc0iXpPCdH.oz1sn6Mii7YKynfRw m50aA0uRbiMOYuhTGmeY0Q0Jt1RfbJNv87FTDOb18k8m3qM5C0XJBbUlCkH6 e.jDuP0BwDwF8hX6mzeJpFA.jzgGZjn.njD20nVM_NjcxLWdgV1e_bjBWW5H QIi18psTnzu6vCEZz_kz.min9PbFAkSnIrOtygUu6_QtQg.k9OEoZL46Zg87 EkeRRS5aqSawJo6un145Szetx Received: from [12.233.136.66] by web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 08:25:11 PST RGFuJ3MgYXJtIHdhc24ndCBhdmFpbGFibGUgd2hlbiBEYWxlIGJ1aWx0IG15IGNhci4gSSBlbmRlZCB1cCBnb2luZyB0byB0aGUgc29tZXdoYXQgZXh0cmVtZSAkb2x1dGlvbiBvZiBhIGN1c3RvbSBHcmlnZ3MgUmFjaW5nIHJlYXIgc3VzcGVuc2lvbi4gV2hpbGUgdGhlIGFkZGVkIGJlbmVmaXRzIG9mIHRoZSB1bnNwcnVuZyB3ZWlnaHQgcmVkdWN0aW9uIGZyb20gdGhlIG11bHRpLWxpbmsgY29pbCBvdmVyIHNldC11cCBhbmQgcHJlY2lzZSBsYXRlcmFsIGxvY2F0aW9uIG9mIHRoZSBXYXR0cyBsaW5rIGlzIGEBMAEBAQE- References: <20130208.071605.1554.63088@mailpop13.vgs.untd.com> <20130208160806.H1G0P.160911.imail@fed1rmwml206> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:25:11 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Waybright To: "e.coiner@cox.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" , "spmdr@juno.com" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dan's arm wasn't available when Dale built my car. I ended up going to the somewhat extreme $olution of a custom Griggs Racing rear suspension. While the added benefits of the unsprung weight reduction from the multi-link coil over set-up and precise lateral location of the Watts link is absolutely fantastic, my recommendation to anyone who asks, is go with Dan's torque arm for a straight forward solution with much better bang for the buck. Stephen Waybright ________________________________ From: "e.coiner@cox.net" To: tigers@autox.team.net; spmdr@juno.com Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms I just want to add that I am a very satisfied user of Dan's Torque arm. I installed it on my Tiger and the wheel hop stopped. The rear end just plants and the car goes. No drama just a thrill in the ole Butt-o-meter. Erich. ---- spmdr@juno.com wrote: > There has been some interest in Tiger Torque Arms over at the > competition, the CAT Forum. > > Not knowing how much crossover there is, I'll bring this up. > > ...as a public service... > > If you are interested in a Tiger Torque Arm, let me know. > > DW > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 55, But Looks 27 > 2013's No. 1 Cream. Mom is Wrinkle Free Thanks to Doctor's Secret! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/511516e65647216e6182dst04vuc > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 12:48:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9201040EDF for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 12:48:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mga03.intel.com (mga03.intel.com [143.182.124.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E48440EA4 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 12:47:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from azsmga002.ch.intel.com ([10.2.17.35]) by azsmga101.ch.intel.com with ESMTP; 08 Feb 2013 11:42:22 -0800 d="scan'208,217";a="200237961" Received: from fmsmsx103.amr.corp.intel.com ([10.19.9.34]) by AZSMGA002.ch.intel.com with ESMTP; 08 Feb 2013 11:42:19 -0800 Received: from fmsmsx101.amr.corp.intel.com (10.19.9.52) by FMSMSX103.amr.corp.intel.com (10.19.9.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:42:19 -0800 Received: from FMSMSX109.amr.corp.intel.com ([169.254.11.116]) by FMSMSX101.amr.corp.intel.com ([169.254.1.200]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:42:19 -0800 From: "Doornbos, Daniel" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: link to the torque arm conversation Thread-Index: Ac4GNGdubTPSekoYRd6L/9F5DgLksA== Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 19:42:18 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.1.200.108] Subject: [Tigers] link to the torque arm conversation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=1935 here is the link to the thread. Looks like there is a production run in the works. Which is great for me because I've wanted to get this for my stockpile of restoration parts... dan _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 13:35:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807E740EBE for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:35:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co9outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co9ehsobe003.messaging.microsoft.com [207.46.163.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1689F40EA4 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:35:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail186-co9-R.bigfish.com (10.236.132.251) by CO9EHSOBE024.bigfish.com (10.236.130.87) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:29:56 +0000 Received: from mail186-co9 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail186-co9-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6BE100252; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:29:56 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail186-co9: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail186-co9 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail186-co9 (MessageSwitch) id 1360355394398186_25655; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO9EHSMHS015.bigfish.com (unknown [10.236.132.237]) by mail186-co9.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D51684004D; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CO9EHSMHS015.bigfish.com (10.236.130.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:29:51 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com (10.2.1.219) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.220) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.328.9; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:29:39 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB01.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.1.85]) by OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.1.219]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:29:49 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" , "spmdr@juno.com" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms Thread-Index: AQHOBhBBT24FE2JfhUqcc+l+cpJovphwhWoAgAAExoD//96oAA== Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:29:48 +0000 References: <20130208.071605.1554.63088@mailpop13.vgs.untd.com> <20130208160806.H1G0P.160911.imail@fed1rmwml206> <1360340711.56633.YahooMailNeo@web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'll also chime in as a happy customer. It's straightforward to install, and for me at least there was a vast improvement both in drivability and ride comfort compared to the weld-on Traction Masters that were there before. As Stephen said, you can do better - but you'll need to spend at least 10 times the money. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Waybright > Sent: February 8, 2013 9:25 AM > To: e.coiner@cox.net; tigers@autox.team.net; spmdr@juno.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms > > Dan's arm wasn't available when Dale built my car. I ended up going to > the somewhat extreme $olution of a custom Griggs Racing rear > suspension. While the added benefits of the unsprung weight reduction > from the multi-link coil over set-up and precise lateral location of > the Watts link is absolutely fantastic, my recommendation to anyone who > asks, is go with Dan's torque arm for a straight forward solution with > much better bang for the buck. > > Stephen > Waybright > > > ________________________________ > From: "e.coiner@cox.net" > > To: tigers@autox.team.net; spmdr@juno.com > Sent: Friday, > February 8, 2013 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms > > I just > want to add that I am a very satisfied user of Dan's Torque arm. > > I installed > it on my Tiger and the wheel hop stopped. > > The rear end just plants and the > car goes. No drama just a thrill in the ole Butt-o-meter. > > Erich. > > ---- > spmdr@juno.com wrote: > > There has been some interest in Tiger Torque Arms > over at the > > competition, the CAT Forum. > > > > Not knowing how much crossover > there is, I'll bring this up. > > > > ...as a public service... > > > > If you are > interested in a Tiger Torque Arm, let me know. > > > > DW > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Woman is 55, > But Looks 27 > > 2013's No. 1 Cream. Mom is Wrinkle Free Thanks to Doctor's > Secret! > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/511516e65647216e6182dst04vuc > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 18:26:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A515F42260 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 18:26:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93BB40EBD for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 18:26:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C90D61C00005A; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mlb005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.147]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 84CBAE000089; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:20:44 -0500 (EST) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:20:44 -0500 (EST) To: Theo.Smit@dynastream.com, tigers@autox.team.net, spmdr@juno.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1360372844; bh=yEBCcMmur+UkDNYrmXxcraotWsaCGbwRfPQGY31lGMM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lIwvbgUFUUZh4Hf50VOkdXqgBy9df6i3jf0CY3MfwmtvZNdPnpNHB+R6iF97W8J+M 9Wof9lPrjWiWzKBl49jnD/nPN9s5WvICBEoFCRHPcm7UmRCS9SIkjQD+yjIC7RITpk 9nSvPKNv5fOHQmSNM3/x2VRmKb51Xt7+oguo52RU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a5115a46c0a95 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I wonder about the trade offs in braking with the torque arm in our application? Seems that using the right leaf spring design could save weight, time and $$, if preventing axle wind up is the primary objective. But, my direct Tiger experience is limited to stock leafs w/an extra primary and bolt-on Traction Masters...very old school. My experience with torque arms is limited to autocross laps in Tigers so fitted and my impression was good forward bite, pretty poor braking, particularly in trail. This is a great topic, however, as I am contemplating changes in the rear suspension, prior to finishing my car! In a message dated 2/8/2013 12:30:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Theo.Smit@dynastream.com writes: I'll also chime in as a happy customer. It's straightforward to install, and for me at least there was a vast improvement both in drivability and ride comfort compared to the weld-on Traction Masters that were there before. As Stephen said, you can do better - but you'll need to spend at least 10 times the money. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Waybright > Sent: February 8, 2013 9:25 AM > To: e.coiner@cox.net; tigers@autox.team.net; spmdr@juno.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms > > Dan's arm wasn't available when Dale built my car. I ended up going to > the somewhat extreme $olution of a custom Griggs Racing rear > suspension. While the added benefits of the unsprung weight reduction > from the multi-link coil over set-up and precise lateral location of > the Watts link is absolutely fantastic, my recommendation to anyone who > asks, is go with Dan's torque arm for a straight forward solution with > much better bang for the buck. > > Stephen > Waybright > > > ________________________________ > From: "e.coiner@cox.net" > > To: tigers@autox.team.net; spmdr@juno.com > Sent: Friday, > February 8, 2013 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms > > I just > want to add that I am a very satisfied user of Dan's Torque arm. > > I installed > it on my Tiger and the wheel hop stopped. > > The rear end just plants and the > car goes. No drama just a thrill in the ole Butt-o-meter. > > Erich. > > ---- > spmdr@juno.com wrote: > > There has been some interest in Tiger Torque Arms > over at the > > competition, the CAT Forum. > > > > Not knowing how much crossover > there is, I'll bring this up. > > > > ...as a public service... > > > > If you are > interested in a Tiger Torque Arm, let me know. > > > > DW > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Woman is 55, > But Looks 27 > > 2013's No. 1 Cream. Mom is Wrinkle Free Thanks to Doctor's > Secret! > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/511516e65647216e6182dst04vuc > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 19:29:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAC84226A for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 19:29:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC2240E98 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 19:26:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY151-W17 ([65.54.190.188]) by bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 8 Feb 2013 18:20:43 -0800 From: DAVID GREEN To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 19:20:42 -0700 FILETIME=[0FCCD5C0:01CE066C] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger torque arms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I will second or third the recommendation. When I did "Miss Kitty" I ordered and got Dans torque arm he even delivered it. Albet it was at Suni 4. Thanks Dan. Best bang for the bucks. Like the man said NO WHEEL HOP just plants and launches with positrac or not! Dave Green3 Tigers and 10 Alpines _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 20:45:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95CD42269 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:45:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE8640E98 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:45:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id y3aL1k0040mlR8UAE3g0Ds; Sat, 09 Feb 2013 03:40:00 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id y3g01k0032xZMJ48X3g08A; Sat, 09 Feb 2013 03:40:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 03:40:00 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: MWood24020@aol.com s=q20121106; t=1360381200; bh=q4lEwW1LLBkJcw47ZEy0Pgjp6hNJJZWn/7F2BuY4wEI=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=pgfaDoIG7ZECpQlAV5T2NvfR6E6p+jheF+tcBnyrzhP+TxAl/okvQWybDmMIBo+Ey TOKUDfDZrJ4wsUrTIVZGQ/QgQX/Qe44L/cIJ14iulm0fwvxmLY8gssOB7gNeoJ3OgU N1eXxBOAhTPx//zYugTkTs1m5bD5F1erzCIvdPNJV3+TaVt7kRrwPLK+MVGLNZz8N0 VR/hZrw14v2KehxZszoPmc+jLr4is0REHcRBICf6EQpfIG8qNvG1iZo8i+hYjZiqq8 AfP1BLOwF4u0N6caPSreNgvtlw5blPnrMS5rhOlu9nYuJEuXnkoxbjjm2iqiBjH5jc ax+bqNx7LoVcg== Cc: spmdr@juno.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, I was very interested to read your comments about the effect of the torque arm on braking. Everyone seems pretty positive about its ability to eliminate wheel hop on heavy acceleration, but no one else has mentioned breaking effects. I am a bit surprised that it seemed to adversely affect braking in the car you drove. At least as Dan's is designed, it would seem to resist axle rotation in both acceleration and braking circumstances. Any idea if the torque arm in car you were autocrossing was one that Dan had built? Fellow Listers, Anyone else have experiences about how their torque arm affects hard braking to share? Thanks, Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: MWood24020@aol.com To: "Theo Smit" , tigers@autox.team.net, spmdr@juno.com Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 7:20:44 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms I wonder about the trade offs in braking with the torque arm in our application? Seems that using the right leaf spring design could save weight, time and $$, if preventing axle wind up is the primary objective. But, my direct Tiger experience is limited to stock leafs w/an extra primary and bolt-on Traction Masters...very old school. My experience with torque arms is limited to autocross laps in Tigers so fitted and my impression was good forward bite, pretty poor braking, particularly in trail. This is a great topic, however, as I am contemplating changes in the rear suspension, prior to finishing my car! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 21:18:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA56442278 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 21:18:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F5F42259 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 21:17:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r1949f7R009716; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:12:21 -0800 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018959f) id sj1-dm103.510c2991.12e950; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:12:07 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 23:11:55 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4GdywJz3vj68xPS+mog6W2HQiUkgAA9Icg engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-09_01:2013-02-08,2013-02-09,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1302080337 Cc: spmdr@juno.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is a great topic. I would like to add: Has anyone put a Caltrac system on a Tiger? A comparison of these 2 systems could be very interesting. I have no experience with either system and would like to learn more. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 10:40 PM To: MWood24020@aol.com Cc: spmdr@juno.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms Mike, I was very interested to read your comments about the effect of the torque arm on braking. Everyone seems pretty positive about its ability to eliminate wheel hop on heavy acceleration, but no one else has mentioned breaking effects. I am a bit surprised that it seemed to adversely affect braking in the car you drove. At least as Dan's is designed, it would seem to resist axle rotation in both acceleration and braking circumstances. Any idea if the torque arm in car you were autocrossing was one that Dan had built? Fellow Listers, Anyone else have experiences about how their torque arm affects hard braking to share? Thanks, Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: MWood24020@aol.com To: "Theo Smit" , tigers@autox.team.net, spmdr@juno.com Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 7:20:44 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms I wonder about the trade offs in braking with the torque arm in our application? Seems that using the right leaf spring design could save weight, time and $$, if preventing axle wind up is the primary objective. But, my direct Tiger experience is limited to stock leafs w/an extra primary and bolt-on Traction Masters...very old school. My experience with torque arms is limited to autocross laps in Tigers so fitted and my impression was good forward bite, pretty poor braking, particularly in trail. This is a great topic, however, as I am contemplating changes in the rear suspension, prior to finishing my car! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 21:47:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6734742276 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 21:47:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C2FC4225F for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 21:42:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id y4DC1k0060x6nqcA24cYoJ; Sat, 09 Feb 2013 04:36:32 +0000 Received: from sz0039.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id y4cY1k00D2yr1eL8Y4cY2T; Sat, 09 Feb 2013 04:36:32 +0000 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 04:36:32 +0000 (UTC) From: 65tiger@comcast.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com s=q20121106; t=1360384592; bh=E2sFuyWrXPF4HFUAeEBLwuLK+XPDzIeD7wYYv51u9Kg=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=BoYcHSwznDW3CC3qi0rTO95LoQG7qb+N2c3mlQGD3RTJGcJbSDr+M2yr+mF2zpHdh 7aEUbzY8qpKyNhyZ5GE6eqcD0iHBG+oGxccPVLKkrqIIJYI+i6xDWOvfU12cSm7P3E WsfPJhUBgW9dp6ZcsW6fb+TUPXPl6dZfI+LLiQJG9UJph4eI/7QEz/90P/CNxOR8rS X/5ZzGebjV4rmlCHNmvhP35Zc/KrjZX/pBJ4htU3jU78oImh3lzUthyhmcQMxjdH8X CvPX7Xbxu5XyH6U3jrqpz1jc3GhsEQR4S2FK52OMg5PUhpXOsB2wpCeQTV4lGoYlq6 Hub3PIlBpjnKw== Cc: spmdr@juno.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My Tiger had the Caltrac and Comp TA-R1 and nothing bit harder. Absolutely no wheel hop . No braking issues at all. The ride was very very harsh. The Caltrac limits the spring travel and binds. It is also very hard on the mounting locations which I had to reinforce after they failed. The torque arm is a better long term solution. Curtis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: genepadgett@comcast.net, MWood24020@aol.com Cc: spmdr@juno.com, tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 8:11:55 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms This is a great topic. I would like to add: Has anyone put a Caltrac system on a Tiger? A comparison of these 2 systems could be very interesting. I have no experience with either system and would like to learn more. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 10:40 PM To: MWood24020@aol.com Cc: spmdr@juno.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms Mike, I was very interested to read your comments about the effect of the torque arm on braking. Everyone seems pretty positive about its ability to eliminate wheel hop on heavy acceleration, but no one else has mentioned breaking effects. I am a bit surprised that it seemed to adversely affect braking in the car you drove. At least as Dan's is designed, it would seem to resist axle rotation in both acceleration and braking circumstances. Any idea if the torque arm in car you were autocrossing was one that Dan had built? Fellow Listers, Anyone else have experiences about how their torque arm affects hard braking to share? Thanks, Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: MWood24020@aol.com To: "Theo Smit" , tigers@autox.team.net, spmdr@juno.com Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 7:20:44 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms I wonder about the trade offs in braking with the torque arm in our application? Seems that using the right leaf spring design could save weight, time and $$, if preventing axle wind up is the primary objective. But, my direct Tiger experience is limited to stock leafs w/an extra primary and bolt-on Traction Masters...very old school. My experience with torque arms is limited to autocross laps in Tigers so fitted and my impression was good forward bite, pretty poor braking, particularly in trail. This is a great topic, however, as I am contemplating changes in the rear suspension, prior to finishing my car! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/65tiger@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 22:07:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCD342275 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 22:07:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE8F403C8 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 22:04:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6311A1C0000B8; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 23:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mlb005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.147]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3A4BAE000086; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 23:59:19 -0500 (EST) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 23:59:18 -0500 (EST) To: genepadgett@comcast.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1360385959; bh=LTtyHetc0ED97SRqHMPGRJg8SvGqh7882oMMr5oqV94=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lqghdZ2WvgRfHDNKdamWvmp7yk5phkNMUZS2Wfc/F8Aoqq1Y6M0wc+hvdsohgaAlW qWF5iVKJRq0tnTWlhw7MOXxbPExfweULn4L+NpGoBHU30uCF8GDhI8r7vTepwKu3KH vAr/8yPfzlZ2SY7E230zjUxiUoOABlOZgSQQvvI0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a5115d7a75e68 Cc: spmdr@juno.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I experienced a certain amount of wheel hop under braking, as I remember. I don't know if the current design has any type of slide mechanism to allow de-coupling under braking. In a message dated 2/8/2013 7:40:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, genepadgett@comcast.net writes: Mike, I was very interested to read your comments about the effect of the torque arm on braking. Everyone seems pretty positive about its ability to eliminate wheel hop on heavy acceleration, but no one else has mentioned breaking effects. I am a bit surprised that it seemed to adversely affect braking in the car you drove. At least as Dan's is designed, it would seem to resist axle rotation in both acceleration and braking circumstances. Any idea if the torque arm in car you were autocrossing was one that Dan had built? Fellow Listers, Anyone else have experiences about how their torque arm affects hard braking to share? Thanks, Gene ____________________________________ From: MWood24020@aol.com To: "Theo Smit" , tigers@autox.team.net, spmdr@juno.com Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 7:20:44 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms I wonder about the trade offs in braking with the torque arm in our application? Seems that using the right leaf spring design could save weight, time and $$, if preventing axle wind up is the primary objective. But, my direct Tiger experience is limited to stock leafs w/an extra primary and bolt-on Traction Masters...very old school. My experience with torque arms is limited to autocross laps in Tigers so fitted and my impression was good forward bite, pretty poor braking, particularly in trail. This is a great topic, however, as I am contemplating changes in the rear suspension, prior to finishing my car! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 9 07:51:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FA840699 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 07:51:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6980640534 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 07:51:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:45:46 -0500 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 09:45:46 -0500 Cc: susannone@mac.com Subject: [Tigers] off topic - Boston storm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net While we still have power, an update on the Boston snow situation this weekend. All automotive travel, save media, medical personnel, contracted tree trimming, and power company repair crews is banned in the state. Public transportation, including the tube/subway, commuter rail, buses, and Amtrak/national rail has been down since 15:30 yesterday, and the MBTA/local public transportation is saying it will be down all day and night today, Saturday. Earlier last night, the local media was warning that both public road restrictions and MBTA transportation closure would be in effect until Sunday night. The Sunday closure announcement was lifted, so far, this morning.The driving ban is in effect 'until further notice', according to the TV news crawl messages this morning. More garage time, if you can get to the garage. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 9 09:20:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D3340E34 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 09:20:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DBD240654 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 09:13:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r19G4Bnp001947; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 08:07:35 -0800 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189595) id dm0219.510c2960.134e45; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 08:07:20 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:07:09 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4G1DAXyxR83HT9QDiEZD4NIbW6zAACw1Qg engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-09_03:2013-02-08,2013-02-09,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1302090145 Cc: susannone@mac.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] off topic - Boston storm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Rande I feel some of your pain. 12" of snow Rochester,NY. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rande Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 9:46 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Cc: susannone@mac.com Subject: [Tigers] off topic - Boston storm While we still have power, an update on the Boston snow situation this weekend. All automotive travel, save media, medical personnel, contracted tree trimming, and power company repair crews is banned in the state. Public transportation, including the tube/subway, commuter rail, buses, and Amtrak/national rail has been down since 15:30 yesterday, and the MBTA/local public transportation is saying it will be down all day and night today, Saturday. Earlier last night, the local media was warning that both public road restrictions and MBTA transportation closure would be in effect until Sunday night. The Sunday closure announcement was lifted, so far, this morning.The driving ban is in effect 'until further notice', according to the TV news crawl messages this morning. More garage time, if you can get to the garage. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 9 09:21:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E36C40E35 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 09:21:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6A140654 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 09:16:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yCYM1k0021ap0As51GAS0F; Sat, 09 Feb 2013 16:10:26 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yGAR1k00w0fu9Ni3iGASdL; Sat, 09 Feb 2013 16:10:26 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "Tiger Net" Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:10:23 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1360426226; bh=RM4+wTiULlulmeSpJRZY7E6Lymnc6VcJMZxJScC1ZGc=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ssR1yZ8Q7JKQ3uHhDe9EloPOLJ3oucAUwavykVEvetIgL0cxJqkR3xSVRjcvBrFgb 4OVRL7LhtoYHLTrxsw4lKmFZXMvB4a6EQON+d3kP5tlgYLuNIC8pxBdA3nd7V7vWl6 NpJB7R+jzC/jmKATa5D+W8A8PfWubZHBTwrKp8zqzPGg3jCZvVkfXQqPD6GqB+XwX1 OReDB45UUewe/J58ot9kNjTDzMFEcaGw9i5qq2q6s1eROX3U9iZukrHmCXrfQpOW2G On/IhBEkJUEuj5rRJtkb5bpP21EArxdKWrkOUU2yv17lYde69PJJHMoWOjOmHvU7Tg IO3RvfNpesyzw== Subject: [Tigers] New England Weather Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just in case you think Rande is kidding... http://www.pbase.com/sb_photos/bliz13 We measured depths in the mid 20bs around the yard. We had the driveway cleared by 10:30, and could head out except for the travel ban. My daughter has Bruins tickets for tonight, and is hoping the ban is lifted and the T is running by then. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 9 12:30:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD8740694 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:30:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F3D40413 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:21:17 -0700 (MST) a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:17 a=253cKie21zsA:10 a=x4mveiYJ1mQA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=2NO5JnLdOFwA:10 a=fryM2RMxtaYiGkvk1CQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=KEG5Qy_KWRWGrZ4rPngA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=dldLs6va4ELIkTbR:21 a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:117 Received: from [72.224.119.118] ([72.224.119.118:54632] helo=[192.168.1.126]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 91/F6-22260-850A6115; Sat, 09 Feb 2013 19:15:37 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 14:15:36 -0500 From: Tod Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Boston Storm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It ain't just in Boston, the Center of the Universe, bucko! Hard to tell what the total is, here in Midcoast Maine, with all the blowing and drifting we are experiencing. At least two feet, I would say, and it's still snowing as of 2PM EST. The snow is piled halfway up my garage doors and the snowblower is inside (along with the Tiger). Fortunately, the power is still onthanks to Central Maine Power. Climate change, hah! Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 9 16:04:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E5340E43 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 16:04:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04434042E for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 16:03:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Sat, 09 Feb 2013 17:57:54 -0500 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 17:57:54 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] N.E. TAC weekend Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just the barest of details about an upcoming TAC event for New England. For now, we're trying to plan one for early Spring, we apparently have folks from Boston to Alexander Bay, NY to Burlington, VT and northwest CT all asking for inspections, and if possible we need to be near a central location and near reasonable accomodations, as some folks will need to stay overnight. The most likely location to hold this is northwest Ct or western Mass or Albany, so let me hear from folks who know of a site that meets our specs. We will need to bring most of the inspectors from the Washington DC TAC group up here to help. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 9 16:07:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A8140321 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 16:07:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5184003E for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 16:06:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C2AB71C00005F; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 18:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mle001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.196]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 43CE5E000085; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 18:01:04 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 18:01:02 -0500 (EST) To: rande@thecia.net, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1360450864; bh=GGUQEhnN8Uxfy6YMA1j8xepZ8qZS/c4CdX73L7za5rs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eKvoBGWZ1PPGd7K856EZseeaoKOf4aySL0o7L2gGLXZqMnMj1ASOcsNOF7khIRmj/ Bsu3MK42RzFCseZ+Cpe668Sl/vK1KTFEO6MYd9NqO0dyRYbaP7oMxhW3etmyM1NJ5g 84FK0ESIj8X/UjiE4Uj+0BVR0J6+ouBn4qxzftKs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c5116d53036ca Subject: Re: [Tigers] N.E. TAC weekend Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If you want to travel as far as Burlington, Vt I will offer a garage with a lift .....and of course then I wouldn't have to travel;-))) mark In a message dated 2/9/2013 5:58:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rande@thecia.net writes: Just the barest of details about an upcoming TAC event for New England. For now, we're trying to plan one for early Spring, we apparently have folks from Boston to Alexander Bay, NY to Burlington, VT and northwest CT all asking for inspections, and if possible we need to be near a central location and near reasonable accomodations, as some folks will need to stay overnight. The most likely location to hold this is northwest Ct or western Mass or Albany, so let me hear from folks who know of a site that meets our specs. We will need to bring most of the inspectors from the Washington DC TAC group up here to help. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 9 18:40:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E2A40524 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 18:40:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BC74040F for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 18:40:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yR9v1k0010b6N64ABRatsD; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 01:34:53 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yRat1k00K2xZMJ48PRatde; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 01:34:53 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 01:34:53 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: 65tiger@comcast.net s=q20121106; t=1360460093; bh=zuvf/SxpZZx5SFuiHK4tKnZ2nLAxkuAIVgXYyNzJVgQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=MKYbnSSuA6P/YppbLtl3u4WEC8xoCDXOvFW5M4MgAV6uqofUYXyWXf0RdJavid9DF cNiyClSrSVaSEymSNkrkPUVZA9X8aNcB7OFLciwmQU43tbaXd79Hop/4oKPkJEqFrC v443/3Szz6/z3VLdasC/qglDKPMwmofEalSIEa5lU8JjyH0w5VcnKp3ygOs9CLOx3t NGoFNkeAj+uQAWdm9X61hCp17TdulRMaSVpnshNguBKiuUGWpwphhxPTy/mk9z49Kl 339Hg+Nd8nzRcAxZ8DoRpqr5CgznAH24xxjxL0qNKJeAlPj07nx/4kNTUet5eSpqF3 /tjNjpPY13Miw== Cc: spmdr@juno.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Curtis, Interesting experience and feedback, thanks for sharing.. What was the damage to the mounting locations? When you say they limit the spring travel and bind, did you experiment with how close to the top of the spring the bar across it was set? I am puzzled by your experience since it seems to me that the bell crank mechanism would allow the spring to flex up as a whole if the axle was not trying to rotate. What am I missing in my understanding? Thanks, Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: 65tiger@comcast.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: spmdr@juno.com, tigers@autox.team.net, genepadgett@comcast.net, MWood24020@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 10:36:32 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms My Tiger had the Caltrac and Comp TA-R1 and nothing bit harder. Absolutely no wheel hop. No braking issues at all. The ride was very very harsh. The Caltrac limits the spring travel and binds. It is also very hard on the mounting locations which I had to reinforce after they failed. The torque arm is a better long term solution. Curtis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: genepadgett@comcast.net, MWood24020@aol.com Cc: spmdr@juno.com, tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 8:11:55 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms This is a great topic. I would like to add: Has anyone put a Caltrac system on a Tiger? A comparison of these 2 systems could be very interesting. I have no experience with either system and would like to learn more. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 10:40 PM To: MWood24020@aol.com Cc: spmdr@juno.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms Mike, I was very interested to read your comments about the effect of the torque arm on braking. Everyone seems pretty positive about its ability to eliminate wheel hop on heavy acceleration, but no one else has mentioned breaking effects. I am a bit surprised that it seemed to adversely affect braking in the car you drove. At least as Dan's is designed, it would seem to resist axle rotation in both acceleration and braking circumstances. Any idea if the torque arm in car you were autocrossing was one that Dan had built? Fellow Listers, Anyone else have experiences about how their torque arm affects hard braking to share? Thanks, Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: MWood24020@aol.com To: "Theo Smit" , tigers@autox.team.net, spmdr@juno.com Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 7:20:44 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms I wonder about the trade offs in braking with the torque arm in our application? Seems that using the right leaf spring design could save weight, time and $$, if preventing axle wind up is the primary objective. But, my direct Tiger experience is limited to stock leafs w/an extra primary and bolt-on Traction Masters...very old school. My experience with torque arms is limited to autocross laps in Tigers so fitted and my impression was good forward bite, pretty poor braking, particularly in trail. This is a great topic, however, as I am contemplating changes in the rear suspension, prior to finishing my car! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/65tiger@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 9 19:54:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8EA40524 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 19:54:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mx1.intermaxnetworks.com (unknown [208.67.62.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B9BFB4040F for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 19:54:18 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 23128 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2013 02:48:36 -0000 Received: from intermx-199-231-113-218.rev.intermaxnetworks.com (HELO bob) (tgrrr@meadowcrk.com@199.231.113.218) by mx1.intermaxnetworks.com with SMTP (5d283d6e-732c-11e2-810d-0025906a2f52); Sat, 09 Feb 2013 18:48:36 -0800 From: "Bob H" To: "Tigers" References: <857924700.948047.1360381200073.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 17:48:58 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Torque Arms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I had one of Dan's torque arms in my car but removed it a couple of years ago after my second near-miss when it spun under heavy braking. Almost took out an expensive BMW sitting in the staging lanes at an autocross. After the first time I had attributed the problem to too much rear brake and re-adjusted the brake bias but that wasn't the real problem. The torque arm seemed to unweight the rear of the car under severe braking. The arm did help control wheel hop under hard acceleration. Bob H > Mike, > > I was very interested to read your comments about the effect of the torque > arm on braking. Everyone seems pretty positive about its ability to > eliminate wheel hop on heavy acceleration, but no one else has mentioned > breaking effects. > > I am a bit surprised that it seemed to adversely affect braking in the car > you drove. At least as Dan's is designed, it would seem to resist axle > rotation in both acceleration and braking circumstances. Any idea if the > torque arm in car you were autocrossing was one that Dan had built? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 9 20:08:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF6140432 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 20:08:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E337D40356 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 20:03:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from BucksLaptop ([unknown] [71.209.240.11]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MHZ00CSUHK8YNL1@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 09 Feb 2013 20:58:08 -0600 (CST) From: "Buck Trippel" To: Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 18:57:42 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Phil Remington RIP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I just learned that pioneer racer Phil Remington has passed away. He was 92. Phil was perhaps best known for his work at Shelby American (where he played a small role on the Shelby prototype and later went to the UK to engineer the replacement of the BW T-10 with the Ford Top Loader. However we should not forget his Reventlow Scarabs or the Gurney Eagles . He always had a twinkle in eyes. He was a great fabricator, engineer and a gentleman. He will be missed. Buck Trippel http://blogs.hotrod.com/hot-rod-pioneer-phil-remington-dies-at-92-46159.html# axzz2KSclcTrR _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 9 20:09:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9D040524 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 20:09:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B749403E2 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 20:09:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from homef2683adebd ([unknown] [173.78.146.47]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MHZ00FQYHTPAEM1@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 09 Feb 2013 21:03:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Scattt" To: "Tod Brown" , References: <5116A058.20506@roadrunner.com> Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 22:03:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Boston Storm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It's been 80 degrees here in Florida today! We went crising to a local pancake festival today at 7:30 for breakfast and the weather has been delightful all week. I reside in Florida for the winters, the summers and hurricanes, not so much! Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Brown" To: Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Boston Storm > It ain't just in Boston, the Center of the Universe, bucko! > > Hard to tell what the total is, here in Midcoast Maine, with all the > blowing and drifting we are experiencing. At least two feet, I would > say, and it's still snowing as of 2PM EST. The snow is piled halfway up > my garage doors and the snowblower is inside (along with the Tiger). > Fortunately, the power is still onthanks to Central Maine Power. Climate > change, hah! > > Cheers, > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/scattt@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 10 14:53:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4A640544 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 14:53:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F2F40529 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 14:47:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yjZr1k00616LCl05Flhhs5; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:41:41 +0000 Received: from sz0225.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ylhh1k00d2xV5no3SlhhRm; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:41:41 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:41:41 +0000 (UTC) From: tym2@comcast.net To: rande@thecia.net s=q20121106; t=1360532501; bh=/mla0s7A8YWRfIEXtbCRs2CVcxBc5qw6Ti/pHT1m5BE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=eLbA2DkysUimeRl9OjL/MImVLxkL7NZaHTmzSb4ThXGErRJzpk8Hif7kKMO/SgfI3 BIwvG6GFtm2YzxXitdV3+zRSTqOpwFkH0Dqal1DHo7JpXcQ5r47z9lJrhgNMVQrRY5 lx4InXcARA0U8TNrISt/VzWNGQ9jMml/IOSOaB0k8BQXIZlSNy624g2/vMFaE9A9vj Irg67hpJbBinvUKIKrYU2ewrn5V5RnH32pGick495s94Dl9th0hT0it4OurZJZP7D1 1lsz7WgKSqDq2LwNRlL/e1/HdU4hVpQv2sT5rGki9V4eztdU5pVySlXmOUG4ikOrwQ /RTbjGspOpEmw== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] N.E. TAC weekend Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm in Westfield, Massachusetts. Let me know how I can help. Tym McDowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 5:57:54 PM Subject: [Tigers] N.E. TAC weekend Just the barest of details about an upcoming TAC event for New England. For now, we're trying to plan one for early Spring, we apparently have folks from Boston to Alexander Bay, NY to Burlington, VT and northwest CT all asking for inspections, and if possible we need to be near a central location and near reasonable accomodations, as some folks will need to stay overnight. The most likely location to hold this is northwest Ct or western Mass or Albany, so let me hear from folks who know of a site that meets our specs. We will need to bring most of the inspectors from the Washington DC TAC group up here to help. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tym2@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 10 20:28:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91EFC40697 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:28:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.59]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4CC040453 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:23:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2013 03:18:00 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.232] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2013 03:18:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1047.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2013 03:18:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 20382 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2013 03:18:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1360552680; bh=1IAB+QHwXfZP/T5W5hzYK4P/tUmnDFb40Ghxf/+bFhw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PwhfgFNoxP76mDcexejwceWbrbAq4re9r95157aOFFKOUBNhd6am+6N5C19SNWcFr0uSzW7r2GlNbeGBtXWJi7WLtOUfyE3tFQeL1onFTBHWuUmJA3muHumPFqVRp4HPnjV4hQueymWH6O9Eqa4nmW+rW8SZT0tnzdaCyVkBbxc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=j7plliq3KfsxbLRYwKnDstOxsXQxWIE0o9QUHDJO2yqA2vC9J+dSufmzyWVcuZz4C7GqcC7UhXFmetuZbi1PKnQO9E8X4prOhf/l3i16L7rBavAefiELLIPNskcg01wwBlJTtOYPrEPzYXX1BvfDa0aQMwWnsm5Zj/nFIC+zrQs=; ckjkHxm5GfNJpPF3EFsuV_yE6r0TT2Q5XbEa_Ne0mCcEfqutJIraJAz0.OFo PXnr7bLEqiTctXY9jky0UZuIiAN9zYG40WYxPgAIIgSna0.vL7X_HMEWyGtg BTn2m9rCYLJ9nBC6gzIgLqyNDeLSvHHraj.hIx3uL6IzH.1shg6HUx2zD01a 1ejq3.2xHu_lK2.Lxgo.nhYULt1FTspWfbhz.gbMcbIHgWsfS5o.8Xv08JNZ Idm8uicWu_Gq1RHfwuLIZ1lfv78Pd9ZU6GEq9RhtezmLB0.tEdOlPArX0oyh IpA.FfbbKRuGIZzIEzLwM6KK02899zKG9Vp5sfOcGVIKTCToAjsAsxluHDkJ Zlh3dOBFjxjjuwPxtZgZX263QUDm08AmcJOLmfrwVOrhjHkPRYfSI5oHzQoq zpgaB8Bg6jZLs8iL1fu.alIgfUvy3cKNWP576rYvPfh3l6l659hkqpQ6reUb Y9g-- Received: from [75.200.138.159] by web124705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:18:00 PST R2VudGxlbWFuLA0KwqANCkkgaGF2ZSBhIDE5NjYgTUsxQSB0aWdlciB3aXRoIHNvbWUgY29ycmVjdCBwYXJ0cyBhbmQgc29tZSBpbmNvcnJlY3QgcGFydHMuwqAgSSBoYXZlIHNvbWUgcXVlc3Rpb25zIHJlZ2FyZGluZyBsaW5lIHJvdXRpbmcsIHBhY2tpbmcgcGllY2VzIGFuZCBicmFrZSBib29zdGVyIHZhY3VtbiBsaW5lcy7CoCBQaWN0dXJlcyB3b3VsZCBiZSBncmVhdC7CoCBJIGNhbiBzZW5kIHZpYSBlbWFpbCBhIHdvcmQgZG9jIHdpdGggcGljdHVyZXMgYW5kIHF1ZXN0aW9ucyB0byB0aG9zZSB3aWxsaW4BMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:18:00 -0800 (PST) From: Joel Martin To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Brake Booster, clutch and brake master cylinder questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Gentleman, I have a 1966 MK1A tiger with some correct parts and some incorrect parts. I have some questions regarding line routing, packing pieces and brake booster vacumn lines. Pictures would be great. I can send via email a word doc with pictures and questions to those willing to assist. Send me a email and I will send the word doc with pictures and questions. Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 10 21:30:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500094064C for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:30:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D40D40453 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:24:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r1B4HnZG009822; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:18:43 -0800 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189575) id sj1-dm103.510c2991.17b6d2; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:18:37 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 23:18:33 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4IBwyhJmedBPNEQfSLNAttiB6FSgABrSsg engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-10_07:2013-02-08,2013-02-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1302100385 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Booster, clutch and brake master cylinder questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel The booster vacuum line could just be a 3/8" vacuum hose or hose plus hard line. Banjo fitting at the booster and another at the special intake manifold vacuum fitting. Original clamps at the banjo fittings were cotter pin band clamps. There is also a hose clip that screws to the wheel well support brace. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 10:18 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Brake Booster, clutch and brake master cylinder questions Gentleman, I have a 1966 MK1A tiger with some correct parts and some incorrect parts. I have some questions regarding line routing, packing pieces and brake booster vacumn lines. Pictures would be great. I can send via email a word doc with pictures and questions to those willing to assist. Send me a email and I will send the word doc with pictures and questions. Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 10 21:51:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547F340E1E for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:51:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F05A40437 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:50:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130211044445.NXZ20491.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 23:44:45 -0500 Received: from awtigerPC ([68.229.231.4]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id yskk1k00J06M2ss01skkDC; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 23:44:44 -0500 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:17 a=rcoCKFd8yHAA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=JobF2o17u_8A:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=DIPjVFyKAAAA:8 a=DBx0LWsk9Dj81xot_Z0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=QsGwG7wuU7EA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "awtiger" To: "Buck Trippel" , References: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 22:44:15 -0600 Cc: Carroll Eeds , Boss1Ray Subject: Re: [Tigers] Phil Remington RIP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Buck: I'm very sorry to hear about Phil's passing. I find it extremely sad that we are beginning to lose some of the most influential motorsports figures of our time, such as Phil Remington and Carroll Shelby. Their likes will never be seen again. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buck Trippel" To: Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 8:57 PM Subject: [Tigers] Phil Remington RIP >I just learned that pioneer racer Phil Remington has passed away. He was >92. > > Phil was perhaps best known for his work at Shelby American (where he > played a > small role on the Shelby prototype and later went to the UK to engineer > the > replacement of the BW T-10 with the Ford Top Loader. > > However we should not forget his Reventlow Scarabs or the Gurney Eagles . > > He always had a twinkle in eyes. He was a great fabricator, engineer and a > gentleman. He will be missed. > > Buck Trippel > http://blogs.hotrod.com/hot-rod-pioneer-phil-remington-dies-at-92-46159.html# > axzz2KSclcTrR > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 13:11:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB93F4044B for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:11:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4DF403E9 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:11:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id z5Kl1k0030cZkys5E85Vh5; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:05:29 +0000 Received: from OwnerTHINK ([66.30.32.254]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id z85U1k0135UyWVN3W85VuM; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:05:29 +0000 From: "Gary Fish" To: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:05:27 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4IkyLaGynzc+UkSA2QUjC4NCZqtQ== Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1360613129; bh=j6EKloOoE3rzjKm7Y2Z+dTUrps0nwOmSYPsenl4SZkg=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=eoJq/SADKN0Q2W+YxPACZ1nDVnvA0eJGRbjtUoOxEVvRa350Txa5WmuVPqL/OY96F bYFsHNIV+Fu0G8sDbPRaDHISr99FPNYrXuchTVZc2jxE9S5JAU6W2oSowWNOOiv8Qr aeMiJ5BCQCHoxjvJ6g0xOLmnifxKxyYyErATfcjNkyynqPtgGh4v9RYJTN/PL3eYu5 FwPEjKi7xODVsiFmrKV+3P3/v5kGIUrBNd90dD7Pfc+gbbebkiKFzWMtYPJYGVU2sN OM7AUTYPdSFV3qj/IXhjDxMfAwBlqv5fCu5s0nfpBeDqs2eOFN807aNcd0uhgbb/JK EAQ4DZWlf6Nvg== Subject: [Tigers] Quad rear shock set up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net When I bought my Tiger in boxes it came with the traction bar set up. I installed it but didn't like the look or of it being so close to the ground. I spoke with Doug Jennings and he put me onto Barry Schumberger who was making a quad shock set up for the car. I installed the system a number of years ago and it is working well. The shock absorbs the torque from quick starts and eliminates the wheel hop. When up to speed the shock goes back into position and operates as needed. Has anyone else had experience with this system and how did they find it. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 13:23:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2F940451 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:23:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mga11.intel.com (mga11.intel.com [192.55.52.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7F0403FA for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:19:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from fmsmga002.fm.intel.com ([10.253.24.26]) by fmsmga102.fm.intel.com with ESMTP; 11 Feb 2013 12:13:44 -0800 d="scan'208,217";a="289772924" Received: from fmsmsx104.amr.corp.intel.com ([10.19.9.35]) by fmsmga002.fm.intel.com with ESMTP; 11 Feb 2013 12:13:07 -0800 Received: from fmsmsx102.amr.corp.intel.com (10.19.9.53) by FMSMSX104.amr.corp.intel.com (10.19.9.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:13:06 -0800 Received: from FMSMSX109.amr.corp.intel.com ([169.254.11.136]) by FMSMSX102.amr.corp.intel.com ([169.254.2.136]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:13:06 -0800 From: "Doornbos, Daniel" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Thread-Index: Ac4IlDI3XucG8m4oRhGemWNTeoANYA== Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:13:05 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.1.200.107] Subject: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I've been thinking about the Torque Arm Impact to breaking. I am still planning to order and use a Torque arm but wanted to think out the issue and the physics of what was happening. I drew out a simple force diagram to see if I can understand what's happening under braking vs. under acceleration. The torque Arm design is to STOP rotation of the rear axle under acceleration that leads to wheel hope from spring wind up. In my force diagram I assumed springs as ridged for transfer of force as spring wind up/release isn't a common braking problem. Envision a static diagram of a wheel, leaf spring, leaf spring mounting points, and the torque arm mounting points it might provide logic to what is taking place. - Assuming fwd motion as a wheel rotating counter clockwise. - Brake forces result in an opposite clockwise force o This leads to a Clockwise moment of force applied around the axel o This leads to forces on the axel mount points to the body * Rear Spring point force is down * Front spring point force is UP * Torque arm mount point force is up Maybe because the force is UP during braking and the Torque arm is Longer than the springs it has a great mechanical advantage in acting to LIFT the car and transferring the center of gravity further forward than it would be without the torque arm? The act of braking is adding energy to the system so it's not a balanced equation and its dynamic with additional loadings beyond what I have thought out by making it a simple static system. - A simple assumption might be that the arm takes up whatever forces are normally applied due to spring wind up. But likely it also takes some of the leaf spring loads as well and then applies it more forward in the car body. - Reports that Torque arms decrease braking performance indicate some kind of lift of the rear or that the center of gravity is shifted forward under braking because of the upward force causing the rear of the car to unweight? Possible improvements for braking while maintaining acceleration performance would be to allow for only Downward force application of the torque arm at the spring point. - One way Hinged arm that goes open not allowing an upward force to be applied? o Drawback is that a one way hinge would likely be a weak point with frequent failure - Oval shaped dampener (rubber bushing that was shown at the front transmission mount) that allows for upward travel of the torque arm under braking but preloaded to always make contact to the bottom for acceleration? o Drawback on availability of an oval dampener, also likely to be noisy rattling from top to bottom under transitions from stopping to going. - Mounting point? Further rearward mount of the torque arm link? Closer to spring perch? o Drawback negative impact to suspension travel/ride quality - Stiffer springs? Less wind up and less load under braking? o Drawback negative ride impact. What's interesting is the opposite force diagram for acceleration shows how the torque arm shifts weight to the rear of the car allowing for more force on the rear wheels and better traction at launch. What are others thoughts? It's been a long time since I've had static and dynamic classes and I've never had to use them for work. dan _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 14:09:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F4C4052E for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:09:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B007403FA for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:06:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id gg6so4834575lbb.41 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:00:26 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=xYV330BsnlrE/hX6Z9K4OnZDC02VBCs8Yg0jghC3vQU=; b=gN1aF+Udx4G2H4FeGI+Ktk/Zi87sdulwPpiMg8doAg+aAmDm1rNL23683he341mTub uI81SP4PLu1yjeBtM+h7c9Uv0FNXqqhB6dch2o5XwowHUJHgnXiU/QMxh3kmvVBG1oNo g8ub/XKi6oL+irQY0453Vg/LeyUQKG/ryBXL4Th2KOzldecaGBhMcXb/0tK50HSYeBj/ N3Jawj4mFgZY+7vlaOVbVPmQgNlyvzwmQZWyN8Q6iOK6QiaC7zKO/q+caj6bBNVomffp c1QXAPyhUV+q2YifgtVN74+N56XHOxK2Fabq2zNelHBvP17Vce4Np9HFgdV1X9ES4yjX D3mQ== gq5mr14391695lab.5.1360616425881; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:00:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.29.164 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:00:25 -0800 (PST) References: <000001ce0893$234d3440$69e79cc0$@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:00:25 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: Gary Fish Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Quad rear shock set up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I run this set up very successfully. Doesn't 100% stop wheel hop with a 350hp motor but gets rid of most of it. On Monday, February 11, 2013, Gary Fish wrote: > When I bought my Tiger in boxes it came with the traction bar set up. I > installed it but didn't like the look or of it being so close to the > ground. > I spoke with Doug Jennings and he put me onto Barry Schumberger who was > making a quad shock set up for the car. I installed the system a number of > years ago and it is working well. The shock absorbs the torque from quick > starts and eliminates the wheel hop. When up to speed the shock goes back > into position and operates as needed. Has anyone else had experience with > this system and how did they find it. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 14:25:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4884051B for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:25:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C24403E7 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:22:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B4DFB1C0000EA for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqa002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqa002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.211.197]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C8A98E00009C for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:16:50 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:16:50 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1360617411; bh=kyawr6mh2uNYFH5cCmXv1eVbZtbbHcXM4oPaUAFHJpQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VPOwAzEnt/U8Kmqc2Z4N4WdQJl3JfLelb9JPFJ6nsltTYa5ZCcEgO82hEkWf4d88h Tp3TMQYpbzYI6Y39rhqPA9YN7zCNYPCYalrgErz9GAU+HZdzVSH227D7s4n73Zo/+O 1MZN+bNON9n88hUpea67N1Jert70V04Bx4WCdKss= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c751195fc23e17 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 44 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel, Its really important to state what your car's serial number is. This defines whether your car came with a 5" or a 7" servo. The fitments and bracketry for both are different. Let us know Jim Armstrong _rollright@aol.com_ (mailto:rollright@aol.com) Gentleman, I have a 1966 MK1A tiger with some correct parts and some incorrect parts. I have some questions regarding line routing, packing pieces and brake booster vacumn lines. Pictures would be great. I can send via email a word doc with pictures and questions to those willing to assist. Send me a email and I will send the word doc with pictures and questions. Thanks Joel Martin ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 15:12:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2791A4053B for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:12:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0D1403FF for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:10:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [72.87.209.245]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MI2004Z6TB1I451@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:04:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <010AF121BECAB94485B4F227A5AB2AA10A2570CC@fmsmsx109.amr.corp.intel.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:04:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wow, Daniel, that is a lot of thinking. But, basically I think your reasoning is sound. If one applies the argument that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, then maybe that which assists in acceleration traction..., is removed in braking action??? Also, I would assume the front spindles become the pivot point during braking. IF (a big IF..., frankly I don't know) the torque arm attachment is beyond (forward) the centerpoint of the wheelbase then under braking it might be contributing to lift the rear of the car. In every case I think engineers can take the design so far, and then testing proves that which wasn't calculated with math and physics. Still others might not have experienced the ill effect because of the setup on their suspension is different. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doornbos, Daniel" To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:13 PM Subject: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? > I've been thinking about the Torque Arm Impact to breaking. I am still > planning to order and use a Torque arm but wanted to think out the issue > and > the physics of what was happening. I drew out a simple force diagram to > see > if I can understand what's happening under braking vs. under acceleration. > The torque Arm design is to STOP rotation of the rear axle under > acceleration > that leads to wheel hope from spring wind up. In my force diagram I > assumed > springs as ridged for transfer of force as spring wind up/release isn't a > common braking problem. > > Envision a static diagram of a wheel, leaf spring, leaf spring mounting > points, and the torque arm mounting points it might provide logic to what > is > taking place. > - Assuming fwd motion as a wheel rotating counter clockwise. > - Brake forces result in an opposite clockwise force > o This leads to a Clockwise moment of force applied around the axel > o This leads to forces on the axel mount points to the body > * Rear Spring point force is down > * Front spring point force is UP > * Torque arm mount point force is up > > Maybe because the force is UP during braking and the Torque arm is Longer > than > the springs it has a great mechanical advantage in acting to LIFT the car > and > transferring the center of gravity further forward than it would be > without > the torque arm? The act of braking is adding energy to the system so > it's > not a balanced equation and its dynamic with additional loadings beyond > what I > have thought out by making it a simple static system. > - A simple assumption might be that the arm takes up whatever forces > are > normally applied due to spring wind up. But likely it also takes some of > the > leaf spring loads as well and then applies it more forward in the car > body. > - Reports that Torque arms decrease braking performance indicate > some > kind of lift of the rear or that the center of gravity is shifted forward > under braking because of the upward force causing the rear of the car to > unweight? > > Possible improvements for braking while maintaining acceleration > performance > would be to allow for only Downward force application of the torque arm at > the > spring point. > - One way Hinged arm that goes open not allowing an upward force to > be > applied? > o Drawback is that a one way hinge would likely be a weak point with > frequent failure > - Oval shaped dampener (rubber bushing that was shown at the front > transmission mount) that allows for upward travel of the torque arm under > braking but preloaded to always make contact to the bottom for > acceleration? > o Drawback on availability of an oval dampener, also likely to be > noisy > rattling from top to bottom under transitions from stopping to going. > - Mounting point? Further rearward mount of the torque arm link? > Closer to spring perch? > o Drawback negative impact to suspension travel/ride quality > - Stiffer springs? Less wind up and less load under braking? > o Drawback negative ride impact. > > What's interesting is the opposite force diagram for acceleration shows > how > the torque arm shifts weight to the rear of the car allowing for more > force on > the rear wheels and better traction at launch. What are others thoughts? > It's been a long time since I've had static and dynamic classes and I've > never > had to use them for work. > > dan > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 16:45:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CF740421 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:44:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm25.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm25.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E8C403F4 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:44:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2013 23:38:45 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.122] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2013 23:38:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2013 23:38:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 88517 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2013 23:38:45 -0000 s=s1024; t=1360625925; bh=bp8ZbX129xLOD13BLB24KvxxhmIE0C1Ei8sDr4mKp3w=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4GOCMa75RBcfFj268j6wQ3/tjiIBQDOQ+IF/TcyL27xOBa+fPCKLM/UpXZwGUQ13OvjO7LkZiisa9PFs79RvRu05yq8QuJ1yg74jrau2zpWgcGzVGZ/1maNV24qSRMaQGLXvNxRKIZl8pOwRWS3FwqQYpjtvPwwhHQf6bq/vgEc= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cgIGqZWzWkLItMagkI/hoQC836J75PpAnoHFD5r7zDmjEHGZhqIs7Z3Q7opjCHLmsejR36JzKwAOTEeqRAkW8fml8fEkw2JD+so3J2ToaXZ1Wtj+2yzh77yzB1SRnxSR1IMmZFL4sC+s9EGH3Tg7i79r26dSQmUkytifA+RLc0g=; B_.R4wT3EfAa32AZcupvPSWXe4TWfbIPTQxGmObhzVrGK_qBB0d5dE7.XnfL v7OeSl8zEC4eBfT4VJKyq4YI71roEEMccRaQdQ5GwRMIwG60yepBFYX8rNzB YA4E02M1n4YEbZzv2FllbymiXhZGbWmG0Pv2y7bfWGvt_2_fLAD1ecGQKDWI Kk2bGPP1p8yo5Bh8oGDBEpnUhZpVwwi7ByXSMNKEUuy14FRBjHJ5welm6fWc BY4iPQUfdl4hQ9_tWi7lO6z2fp.g.Dc1YofTIixPyyHtu1ScMD9fro4mhGQG rp8TOadDlV3BbMpFW6eqIB42O.yVTqHDAJuQqAucX_JPrPL7gd_rIiNbE2Nv y79Mt.mLylb6XjSNLTy9gk9aW9kag7qe20SdLn7rd1DUzkGhcKnqkbR0cZqH .19fnPbMHUsL23ub9eqWqjUtWEIhHRBaeI0Tt8VruJIZWjg1eVhiFMOegIlH N27UFBg-- Received: from [71.80.161.153] by web184403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:38:44 PST VGFrZSBhIGxvb2sgYXQgdGhlIGFmY28gcmFjaW5nIGNhdGFsb2fCoGNpcmNsZSB0cmFjayAvIGRpcnQgdHJhY2sgcmFjaW5nIGJvb2tzIAphbmQgeW91IHdpbGwgZmluZCBvdXQgd2hhdCB0aGVzZSBndXlzIGFyZSBkb2luZyB0byBzb2x2ZSB0aGUgcHJvYmxlbSBhbmQgc29tZSAKcGl0IGZhbGxzLiAKCgpJIGtub3cgdGhlIGxpa2VzIG9mIHRoZSBHVDM1MCBTaGVsYnkgZm9sa3MgdXNlIGEgc3ByaW5nIGxvYWRlZCBzeXN0ZW0gdGhhdCB3b3JrcyAKb25lIHdheSBzb2xpZCwgdGhlIG90aGVyIHdheSBzcHJpbmcBMAEBAQE- References: <010AF121BECAB94485B4F227A5AB2AA10A2570CC@fmsmsx109.amr.corp.intel.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:38:44 -0800 (PST) From: Sandy Ganz To: "Doornbos, Daniel" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Take a look at the afco racing catalog circle track / dirt track racing books and you will find out what these guys are doing to solve the problem and some pit falls. I know the likes of the GT350 Shelby folks use a spring loaded system that works one way solid, the other way spring loaded. This connects to the top of the 9" and ties back forward like the center like torque arm, I have one of these but have never needed it with the current set of springs on my car. Cobra automotive sells them, but they are just an AFCO part with a nice set of plates to weld up on the 9" housing. They also make a set of spring loaded over/under ride bars that eliminate some of the problems that the rigid traction master bar has. This is something I would look at to see if it could help with and replace the stock style bars. I like the idea behind them but have no practial experience on how the car drives I have not looked that much of the physics of the matter just looking at the circle/dirt track guys and some of the mechanisms they use to solve the problem, but I would take a look at Herb Adams Suspension book they have a lot of different rear suspension and in very simple terms how they work. I would, in any case, look at starting with a leaf spring then working from that. That is unless someone as stuffed a T-Bird IRS under a Tiger :) Check AFCO Racing site and catalog, they have some great parts that solve some interesting problems Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Doornbos, Daniel" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Mon, February 11, 2013 12:18:16 PM Subject: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? I've been thinking about the Torque Arm Impact to breaking. [snip] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 13:17:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9731F4053D for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:17:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.bemta3.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta3.messagelabs.com [195.245.230.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC864042C for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from [85.158.137.3:3317] by server-15.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 5B/FF-25405-CD1AA115; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 20:11:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 637 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2013 20:11:07 -0000 Received: from mailgate2.akzonobel.com (HELO mailgate2.akzonobel.com) (144.95.74.8) by server-15.tower-38.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 12 Feb 2013 20:11:07 -0000 Received: from amln817.d30.intra ([10.13.175.81]) by mailgate2.akzonobel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:11:06 +0100 Received: from AMDCG61.d30.intra ([10.14.40.71]) by amln817.d30.intra ([10.13.175.81]) with mapi; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:11:05 +0100 From: "Ronak, T.P. (Timothy)" To: "daniel.doornbos@intel.com" Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:11:03 +0100 Thread-Topic: Torque Arm Thread-Index: Ac4JXRV1hSjvUQ/bQKWmOyuijM6I5g== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US FILETIME=[16F979E0:01CE095D] Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Torque Arm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Daniel, I ran one with AWESOME success with significant HP approx 385HP at the wheels and it was a great solution ... while the arm did lighten the rear a bit it was NOT SIGNIFICANT. The reality is 80% of braking is applied to the front wheels and any lifting simply increases weight on the front wheel. I would be happy to address questions and I have several pics and installation notes if you want them. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Senior Services Consultant AkzoNobel Automotive and Aerospace Coatings NA 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Ph: (949) 289-3357 Fx: (425) 955-6268 "If a man dwells on the past, then he robs the present. But if a man ignores the past, he may rob the future. The seeds of our destiny are nurtured by the roots of our past." Master Po - TV's Kung Fu Information contained in this email is confidential. If you received this email in error please delete this message and inform the sender. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 13:28:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DD340543 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:28:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mx1.intermaxnetworks.com (unknown [208.67.62.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1656C4042C for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:28:14 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 6665 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2013 20:22:20 -0000 Received: from intermx-199-231-113-218.rev.intermaxnetworks.com (HELO bob) (tgrrr@meadowcrk.com@199.231.113.218) by mx1.intermaxnetworks.com with SMTP (e3d458d0-7551-11e2-85e6-0025906a2f52); Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:22:20 -0800 From: "Bob H" To: "Tigers" References: <010AF121BECAB94485B4F227A5AB2AA10A2570CC@fmsmsx109.amr.corp.intel.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:23:51 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >From Chevy High Performance Magazine: The rearends in GM cars that came equipped with torque arms from the factory are prone to brake hop under hard braking on road courses. Brake hop under deceleration in third- and fourth-gen F-bodies is generally attributed to a flexible torque arm, a lack of shock valving, or excessive "plowing" under braking. These factors unload the rear of the car, which results in brake hop. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 13:42:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3BA40540 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:42:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mx1.intermaxnetworks.com (unknown [208.67.62.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 462E84040C for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:35:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 9630 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2013 20:29:59 -0000 Received: from intermx-199-231-113-218.rev.intermaxnetworks.com (HELO bob) (tgrrr@meadowcrk.com@199.231.113.218) by mx1.intermaxnetworks.com with SMTP (f51fde9c-7552-11e2-94ba-0025906a2f52); Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:29:59 -0800 From: "Bob H" To: "Tigers" References: <010AF121BECAB94485B4F227A5AB2AA10A2570CC@fmsmsx109.amr.corp.intel.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:31:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For the more technically oriented in this group: http://www.unbalancedengineering.com/Product_Development/Development%20of%20the%20Unbalanced%20Engineering%20Decoupled%20Torque%20Arm.pdf _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 13:42:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327BF4052D for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:42:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7878240411 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:41:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2013 20:36:00 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.174] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2013 20:36:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2013 20:36:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 84985 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2013 20:36:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1360701360; bh=i4NfEmteSdGMzkvV4TdpDyxsCJeVIdZaCQoByjUAiz4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YG0yIgqxPOPn3zEu6IXAOO+tLVoD80Yy8xy/G8OmSb/Dscr355Hg55W1cahWT4/rjZBtcUcRW9IajR7lQdzFRG3evX9NxTo7OltQDLW89MSIqKFHjaMCLJ0iEvvG37HZVMOKaTiO7GNRMTzzWYSojgrlvwlj1tKRmJMtg3VyJKA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YmuTCyrYfKSZkUeYYBV6ffRncg0AZh3K8Z5ZPqiCVyrv54XA0Dy/TgZBhKLDLbPYr5VcYSP2B08PJxsxdhjpXHzXHCZ7RWCVBlVnU6mgTL8P3wXrbtxOWc0Cr5L0u2DSPnqEdUZuzOiLXMa5oenRmuq2RyKlsJtQEMJr4CHWF04=; ORhkS6DFxrCx4QptS6aEXe7CHa8QcLW8vv7rfs.hQmQZncggEPLIFEKR0jmC pStdcSkL.8ug2ownsNO0kDWx7cm3nfZXKWVdhAaz5279f_wDvlZPm79IQQ8d 9JfLDqVNJxITYZnEEnMl_WgvezMTED..6ODqe40_whRNEeta4jz1B7Pjom5O eCeEPwWBK_m7uitRF6PYOdlvXdnEHbHf3t7tZyb7zOntzu_fK62tGSv0miUz wTsgtlkxbCA.XxRGtiRSSFWCWbvUuCdAHrOAJXKGKaT0e17QiHB9tSrPSOuX SgnRvT79AFMcpDsI2dpJq6T8k4tFg4yOfwIw50omNmUExymBDxk_FvIoMtI8 WoAKxm4ClaU7OReQA0qBFWKj6WbbiQkYbBmXiMzf69cpF1sUp3jRJnAMKjrV vmwUMnd4ArFBUuLlXtWfHnrwVEkuNSWjwZkJKEjq83vsgMVA_YuEL1tZKymB I Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web124704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:36:00 PST TGFycnkgUGF1bGlja3MgSGlnaCBQZXJmb3JtYW5jZSBUaWdlciBFeGhhdXN0IFN5c3RlbSB3cml0ZSB1cCBzaG93cyBTZXJpZXMgNTAgRGVsdGEgRmxvd21hc3RlciBtdWZmbGVycy7CoCBUaGUgNTAgc2VyaWVzIGNoYW5nZXMgZnJvbSB0aGUgYWdncmVzc2l2ZSAoNDAgU2VyaWVzKSB0byBtb2RlcmF0ZSBzb3VuZCBpbiB0aGUgNTAgc2VyaWVzLCB3aGljaCBpbmRpY2F0ZXMgdGhlIGVsaW1pbmF0aW9uIG9mIHRoZSDigJhkcm93buKAmSBzb3VuZCBhdCBoaWdod2F5IHNwZWVkcyDigJMgZ29vZCB0aGluZy4NCgEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:36:00 -0800 (PST) From: Joel Martin To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 1966 MK 1A Exhuast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Larry Paulicks High Performance Tiger Exhaust System write up shows Series 50 Delta Flowmaster mufflers.B The 50 series changes from the aggressive (40 Series) to moderate sound in the 50 series, which indicates the elimination of the bdrownb sound at highway speeds b good thing. B I have 5 questions b what should be the inlet and outlet offsets be?B Offset inlet and center outlet.B Other pictures I have are center inlet and offset outlets.B I will be using Sunbeam Specialities headers, cross over pipe as the article states with 2b alumnized steel mufflers, clamps and B pipes. B My second question is what should the length of the pipe past the bumper as measured from where? Rear valance? b6 B>b beyond the body lip of the rear pan.b Sound right? B My third question is what should the tips be made of to be as close to stock as possible b stainless steel or alumnized pipe?B Chrome dipped ends with a less severe angle.B From the last bracket to the end of the pipe? B Does anyone have a template or deminisions of the exhaust tip banglesb? B Lastly, in relation to the bumper, where should the tips be located exactly or will the rear hangers pretty much determine? B Thanks for all your information. B Joel Martin B B B B _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 14:13:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE2E40651 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:13:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7841E4042C for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:12:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:06:45 -0500 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:06:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] more about Phil Remington Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I just got this link relating to Dan Gurney... http://allamericanracers.com/happy-90th-birthday-phil-remington/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 14:28:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177DA40528 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:28:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA2C4042C for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:23:16 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=R122DubYH6jfWr+YL9Vk+GS61RIAD/698ES+0iR7K4MdITNaHbcOAdWqYGZIcx1q; h=Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.144.103.163] (helo=owner9967ddf8c) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1U5NE9-0003pF-GO; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:17:21 -0500 From: "RObin Young" To: "'Joel Martin'" , References: <1360701360.82589.YahooMailClassic@web124704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:17:21 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4JYLPlGZwhpd1MRPmFGqridJ9XuAABL/Fg Subject: Re: [Tigers] 1966 MK 1A Exhuast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel, I copied Larry's set up and it turned out well. I used the Tri- Delta stainless Flowmasters and they sounded great under a load but were quiet at idle and cruise. Not sure if Larry used a cross over tube but, it goes 17" behind the exhaust valve. With headers, this occurs just behind the collector. I used a flanged, stainless 1" tube. Everything is available online at Aircraft Spruce for the stainless tube, flanges and gaskets if you like the idea. RObin -----Original Message----- Larry Paulicks High Performance Tiger Exhaust System write up shows Series 50 Delta Flowmaster mufflers.B The 50 series changes from the aggressive (40 Series) to moderate sound in the 50 series, which indicates the elimination of the bdrownb sound at highway speeds b good thing. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 14:33:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DA740536 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:33:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89BD403C8 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:33:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r1CLPc8R023310; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:27:49 -0800 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189225) id sj1-dm103.510c2991.1b9791; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:27:38 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:27:32 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4JYK1XDur9NF8HS0+iygpAxKL3MwABOAyw engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-12_05:2013-02-12,2013-02-12,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1302120213 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 1966 MK 1A Exhuast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel The exhaust tips on my Tiger extend to the rear metal edge of the bumperette; not past the rubber part of the bumperette. I believe Tiger Tom told me that the original exhaust system tips stuck out further and could catch or cut your leg if sharp. I don't have a picture showing that but it is possible. I prefer them not to catch my leg. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:36 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 1966 MK 1A Exhuast Larry Paulicks High Performance Tiger Exhaust System write up shows Series 50 Delta Flowmaster mufflers.B The 50 series changes from the aggressive (40 Series) to moderate sound in the 50 series, which indicates the elimination of the bdrownb sound at highway speeds b good thing. B I have 5 questions b what should be the inlet and outlet offsets be?B Offset inlet and center outlet.B Other pictures I have are center inlet and offset outlets.B I will be using Sunbeam Specialities headers, cross over pipe as the article states with 2b alumnized steel mufflers, clamps and B pipes. B My second question is what should the length of the pipe past the bumper as measured from where? Rear valance? b6 B>b beyond the body lip of the rear pan.b Sound right? B My third question is what should the tips be made of to be as close to stock as possible b stainless steel or alumnized pipe?B Chrome dipped ends with a less severe angle.B From the last bracket to the end of the pipe? B Does anyone have a template or deminisions of the exhaust tip banglesb? B Lastly, in relation to the bumper, where should the tips be located exactly or will the rear hangers pretty much determine? B Thanks for all your information. B Joel Martin B B B B _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: 02/12/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 15:31:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EE14052F for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 15:31:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6403340514 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 15:31:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zV151k0080cQ2SLA3aRodK; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:25:48 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zaRn1k00o2yr1eL8WaRnlw; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:25:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:25:47 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Bob H s=q20121106; t=1360707948; bh=ENzZ1nuw58gN6rOyhEpljkDHil1U6lQ1wD5AicMSpTo=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=XCBlONmdCXm/WzHT780y7wzhsVu4LqIVcdJUEear7xYhYscBg9QKZho+vvJnwzMX9 clBRmLINCQ/vLN4+dMUGq/TlP42Lz+EgoKm6GvqFNwPljxv6lu0rUMYXFI5o3vNqWE cmhJaS/12DsZUOSOnm5KOi2TDbRQvZPYyFXR+G6YVKDV2lXSOvki+B4SWjgWvPd9zD njGPfxs9Kfw+k9CY5n0kL/KbOdklf8zTsSRlQ6D8pZD0b1hjROaOfR5p0/gZj0VwIi qu4uNfTi3eldNxacgrdg50aA/nex84YLpMnpfdhbs0wxar6iBFGit48m90G2IT1guQ 0nggbXRHXTR+w== Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, Many thanks for sharing your rather sobering spinout experiences and the technical information. The latter is going to take me more than one read to understand everything, but I am getting the picture! I am thinking that the Tiger's short wheel base is not helping things in our particular application. I am inclined to enjoy twisty roads whenever found (and hopefully more autocrossing in the future). A potential unpleasant surprise under heavy emergency braking in a sharp corner is not something I want to risk. If I was just drag racing, or doing stop light burnouts, that would be a much different situation. Fellow Listers, I, for one, am still looking forward to hearing any experiences with the Caltrac system. It appears to only control axle rotation in the acceleration mode and the axle is otherwise unrestrained in braking. Seems like a good application for the Tiger, in theory at least. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob H" To: "Tigers" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:31:30 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? For the more technically oriented in this group: http://www.unbalancedengineering.com/Product_Development/Development%20of%20the%20Unbalanced%20Engineering%20Decoupled%20Torque%20Arm.pdf _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 16:19:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A531B40556 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:19:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B447D40525 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:18:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zTJa1k0030x6nqcABbCw17; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:12:56 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zbCw1k00C2xZMJ48YbCwju; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:12:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:12:56 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Joel Martin s=q20121106; t=1360710776; bh=XSMW98DnbOY8cEtdUsbZYVJQpz2wkWAFV1/C7VZ3118=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=huFZFLFtAZEn/TiG3EhuFwp2bPdmK89rAmQ0nC9cQ+XZ5yRoFI6JcNi7uZ4AOm0zf aVvCMNpOh8B92MohMM2+dMgK+RwpP5qaZ8iLttv7UEZA1D4KVIALEgFwBtDhlzDCVl d5eET1jCiPXBBlIswEwoXR+LfttEfiFbJ+9kFQaaJSLzmOwP2jV1O4Ct1jPUCft4MY 0FlT1kJHG7KGLQYl78IfjXdypOSF3cpNS5vrFvudIYACuu64NSVHsmL89DositTXnR vDxCGrq3xNYX5scd7ppZq7gRp6aq2FbQMZwdwsfyO1CzjwvnihiZGMRTn5Lq0W4XDB 0Hq5UtPIECckg== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 1966 MK 1A Exhuast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel, I have my original 1.5 inch exhaust tail pipes from my MarkIA sitting in a corner of the garage (where the wife cannot see them). The tips are chromed from the welded-on mounting strap back to the tip. The tips are cut at a 45 degree angle. The distance from the rear most side of the welded-on mounting strap it 7.5 inches to the bottom edge of the exhaust tip cut. The top distance appears to be 9 inches, which is what it should be with a 45 degree angle cut on a 1.5 inch pipe. The welded-on mounting strap is 1 inch wide and of course twisted 90 degrees to mate up to the body hanger. That would add about 1/2 inch to the lengths mentioned when measured from those points. Unfortunately, I cannot tell you if the isolation bobbins were attached in front of or after the body mounting flanges. That would of course shift the tip forward or rearward by the thickness of the bobbin when the pipe was mounted to the car. Hope some of that helps. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Martin" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:36:00 PM Subject: [Tigers] 1966 MK 1A Exhuast Larry Paulicks High Performance Tiger Exhaust System write up shows Series 50 Delta Flowmaster mufflers.B The 50 series changes from the aggressive (40 Series) to moderate sound in the 50 series, which indicates the elimination of the bdrownb sound at highway speeds b good thing. B I have 5 questions b what should be the inlet and outlet offsets be?B Offset inlet and center outlet.B Other pictures I have are center inlet and offset outlets.B I will be using Sunbeam Specialities headers, cross over pipe as the article states with 2b alumnized steel mufflers, clamps and B pipes. B My second question is what should the length of the pipe past the bumper as measured from where? Rear valance? b6 B>b beyond the body lip of the rear pan.b Sound right? B My third question is what should the tips be made of to be as close to stock as possible b stainless steel or alumnized pipe?B Chrome dipped ends with a less severe angle.B From the last bracket to the end of the pipe? B Does anyone have a template or deminisions of the exhaust tip banglesb? B Lastly, in relation to the bumper, where should the tips be located exactly or will the rear hangers pretty much determine? B Thanks for all your information. B Joel Martin B B B B _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 16:53:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED494053D for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:53:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com [159.54.39.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184D040514 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:53:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from ent-mocexhub01.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.20.1.86]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80832D600B; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::5d98:601a:f044:d018]) by ent-mocexhub01.us.ad.gannett.com ([::1]) with mapi; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:47:37 -0500 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "genepadgett@comcast.net" , Bob H Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:47:34 -0500 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Thread-Index: Ac4JcRAQdDacNrrbQfWrT39MEUcgjAACbdUw References: <0BA8F0677B324CC097DE2A4F0354CB29@bob> <1526586558.1091419.1360707947956.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have had Dan's torque arm on my car for a long time. I have participated autocross and open track events and never experienced any issues under braking. My brakes are stock front brakes with Dale's rear disc brake kit (early style). The information regarding the GM scenario mentions an inadequate structure for the torque arm. I am not sure this applies here. I am a fan of Dan's torque arm. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:26 PM To: Bob H Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Bob, Many thanks for sharing your rather sobering spinout experiences and the technical information. The latter is going to take me more than one read to understand everything, but I am getting the picture! I am thinking that the Tiger's short wheel base is not helping things in our particular application. I am inclined to enjoy twisty roads whenever found (and hopefully more autocrossing in the future). A potential unpleasant surprise under heavy emergency braking in a sharp corner is not something I want to risk. If I was just drag racing, or doing stop light burnouts, that would be a much different situation. Fellow Listers, I, for one, am still looking forward to hearing any experiences with the Caltrac system. It appears to only control axle rotation in the acceleration mode and the axle is otherwise unrestrained in braking. Seems like a good application for the Tiger, in theory at least. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob H" To: "Tigers" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:31:30 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? For the more technically oriented in this group: http://www.unbalancedengineering.com/Product_Development/Development%20of%20t he%20Unbalanced%20Engineering%20Decoupled%20Torque%20Arm.pdf _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 17:18:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A442140550 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:18:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A2540525 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:09:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.107] ([66.37.94.192]) by p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id zc3w1k00E491ejE01c3xBC; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:03:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 19:03:48 -0500 From: Chris Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: "Teepen, Jere" References: <0BA8F0677B324CC097DE2A4F0354CB29@bob> <1526586558.1091419.1360707947956.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have also had Dan's torque arm on my car for fifteen years or so and I've never experienced a problem during braking. I've had the car on the VIR track several times, where maximum braking is as important as maximum acceleration. I don't think there's a thing you can do about preventing problems under emergency heavy braking during a sharp turn, though, and that shouldn't be a surprise.... I know what you mean, though, Bob and Gene, about wanting the best. I would be interested to hear anybody's comparison of Dale's arm and the Caltrac system. Chris B382000331 On 2/12/2013 6:47 PM, Teepen, Jere wrote: > I have had Dan's torque arm on my car for a long time. I have participated > autocross and open track events and never experienced any issues under > braking. My brakes are stock front brakes with Dale's rear disc brake kit > (early style). The information regarding the GM scenario mentions an > inadequate structure for the torque arm. I am not sure this applies here. I > am a fan of Dan's torque arm. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:26 PM > To: Bob H > Cc: Tigers > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? > > Bob, > > Many thanks for sharing your rather sobering spinout experiences and the > technical information. The latter is going to take me more than one read to > understand everything, but I am getting the picture! I am thinking that the > Tiger's short wheel base is not helping things in our particular application. > > I am inclined to enjoy twisty roads whenever found (and hopefully more > autocrossing in the future). A potential unpleasant surprise under heavy > emergency braking in a sharp corner is not something I want to risk. If I was > just drag racing, or doing stop light burnouts, that would be a much different > situation. > > Fellow Listers, > > I, for one, am still looking forward to hearing any experiences with the > Caltrac system. It appears to only control axle rotation in the acceleration > mode and the axle is otherwise unrestrained in braking. Seems like a good > application for the Tiger, in theory at least. > > Gene > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob H" > To: "Tigers" > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:31:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? > > For the more technically oriented in this group: > > http://www.unbalancedengineering.com/Product_Development/Development%20of%20t > he%20Unbalanced%20Engineering%20Decoupled%20Torque%20Arm.pdf > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/chris@cthompson.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 18:04:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B2740565 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:04:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3D24052D for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:57:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r1D0pCKi014675; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:51:51 -0800 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b068) id dm0213.510c296b.1bc382; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:51:36 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , "'Bob H'" Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 19:51:29 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4Jb/GdK7/L2KwFQrSzyLNXOfZVYQAEyrCA engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-12_09:2013-02-12,2013-02-12,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1302120274 Cc: 'Tigers' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It seems to me we might be missing some variables with the setup since there are variable results. Possibly different front or rear spring rates or maybe brake pads and type of tire. I'm going to throw in another idea. Anyone look at Air Ride technology for the Tiger? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:26 PM To: Bob H Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Bob, Many thanks for sharing your rather sobering spinout experiences and the technical information. The latter is going to take me more than one read to understand everything, but I am getting the picture! I am thinking that the Tiger's short wheel base is not helping things in our particular application. I am inclined to enjoy twisty roads whenever found (and hopefully more autocrossing in the future). A potential unpleasant surprise under heavy emergency braking in a sharp corner is not something I want to risk. If I was just drag racing, or doing stop light burnouts, that would be a much different situation. Fellow Listers, I, for one, am still looking forward to hearing any experiences with the Caltrac system. It appears to only control axle rotation in the acceleration mode and the axle is otherwise unrestrained in braking. Seems like a good application for the Tiger, in theory at least. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob H" To: "Tigers" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:31:30 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? For the more technically oriented in this group: http://www.unbalancedengineering.com/Product_Development/Development%20of%20 the%20Unbalanced%20Engineering%20Decoupled%20Torque%20Arm.pdf _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: 02/12/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 18:19:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C7E40570 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:19:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F14F4052D for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:17:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MI400D5XWMNE838@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 19:11:15 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <1360701360.82589.YahooMailClassic@web124704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:11:12 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 1966 MK 1A Exhuast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm glad to hear that Tiger owners are happy with their Flowmaster 50's. I realize every setup is different. That said, I have a 318 Valiant with two, 2" pipes into a common 3" pipe. After the Flowmaster 50 it exits at the rear of the car. With this single muffler setup obviously there is no crossover (merging into the 3" pipe does that). All I can say is from 1,900 to 2,600 RPM it DRONES incessantly! EEEHHHH, right in the typical driving band. I mention this simply to say that the Flowmaster 50 in and of itself is not immune to drone. All the best with your system. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Martin" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: [Tigers] 1966 MK 1A Exhuast > Larry Paulicks High Performance Tiger Exhaust System write up shows Series > 50 > Delta Flowmaster mufflers.B The 50 series changes from the aggressive (40 > Series) to moderate sound in the 50 series, which indicates the > elimination of > the bdrownb sound at highway speeds b good thing. > B > I have 5 questions b what should be the inlet and outlet offsets be?B > Offset inlet and center outlet.B Other pictures I have are center inlet > and > offset outlets.B I will be using Sunbeam Specialities headers, cross over > pipe as the article states with 2b alumnized steel mufflers, clamps and > B pipes. > B > My second question is what should the length of the pipe past the bumper > as > measured from where? Rear valance? b6 B>b beyond the body lip of the > rear > pan.b Sound right? > B > My third question is what should the tips be made of to be as close to > stock > as possible b stainless steel or alumnized pipe?B Chrome dipped ends > with a > less severe angle.B From the last bracket to the end of the pipe? > B > Does anyone have a template or deminisions of the exhaust tip banglesb? > B > Lastly, in relation to the bumper, where should the tips be located > exactly or > will the rear hangers pretty much determine? > B > Thanks for all your information. > B > Joel Martin > B > B > B > B _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 18:23:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4B240562 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:23:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC96403ED for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MI400IR4WWBJ2F1@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 19:17:00 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:16:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is a great discussion. Recently I have been looking under Camaro's, Firebirds and other GM models for transmissions. When I saw the torque arm on the Camaro and Firebird I instantly thought of adapting it to the Tiger. Whether I ever do or not this discussion has given much food for thought. Keep it coming. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: ; "'Bob H'" Cc: "'Tigers'" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? > It seems to me we might be missing some variables with the setup > since there are variable results. Possibly different front or rear spring > rates or maybe brake pads and type of tire. > > I'm going to throw in another idea. Anyone look at Air Ride technology > for > the Tiger? > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:26 PM > To: Bob H > Cc: Tigers > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? > > > Bob, > > Many thanks for sharing your rather sobering spinout experiences and the > technical information. The latter is going to take me more than one read > to > understand everything, but I am getting the picture! I am thinking that > the > Tiger's short wheel base is not helping things in our particular > application. > > I am inclined to enjoy twisty roads whenever found (and hopefully more > autocrossing in the future). A potential unpleasant surprise under heavy > emergency braking in a sharp corner is not something I want to risk. If I > was just drag racing, or doing stop light burnouts, that would be a much > different situation. > > Fellow Listers, > > I, for one, am still looking forward to hearing any experiences with the > Caltrac system. It appears to only control axle rotation in the > acceleration > mode and the axle is otherwise unrestrained in braking. Seems like a good > application for the Tiger, in theory at least. > > Gene > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob H" > To: "Tigers" > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:31:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? > > For the more technically oriented in this group: > > http://www.unbalancedengineering.com/Product_Development/Development%20of%20 > the%20Unbalanced%20Engineering%20Decoupled%20Torque%20Arm.pdf > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: 02/12/13 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend@verizon.net > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: 02/12/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 18:37:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA41640687 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:37:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1A84052F for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2013 01:31:05 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.12] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2013 01:31:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2013 01:31:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 98689 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2013 01:31:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1360719065; bh=cLi3LU1pP/Rr6gTz1KR4BDIZ1hZ+sCw3HkUyUTotNQM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t3H0g0UQrzNFr9avvhoGJHyaOA7gEDfnQj9AACn9/ZVYtuDSjBUyD9DWIQESwT9HASerpbgcqVNf1m4DwNkj59vwKxRBpsB3ZG0d+Akv8tvsn0qQ0M4PZd850VArwdHa7HUGZw3JBL+3GforjuoArgZuZ0GNLlgHZcprsY00H+E= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xdmAtirTDYSP8VKIOO6XBmg80rTa6HmJf4BQY2+0IVncCpn8XcHwRE5R9H/dN2yKSz7YY/e4T6r0vT5eWmTPKJMRvZwkyoEosgvmqZS2qY6VzhE/2rjTb0EbnjBSPp6+zD0Qzh/qXUzrT2/3tnWwNzjryMRFX+vK5vwdXClSQ+A=; XDiSuTYOUjk2yP73qUzJz3FXJj82SSoT6lObDzA_fkbY10gaGx_im.bdXYEP zwp9KqmgUpjtmwEi.twfSFpoB8yhpHnOLM.SEGMJcEmUemqvYqCfTK8yFO0A q51nDxdKXXhBXwiqZQSDvztywHpgWScYSoePf2neukLJIF36N6xIPumvsrt0 oSSRE74EuC78nXvoG6ePiyL1aSzEdlaBAKRNoFjw.iPQtf1cdNAWVtvx8k3A NW4drXbH8yFUhD5wM9usZ6PQBfEBCbm1eXl56BOclWIr48jYGKW3PZ6xGIyi zhCgAM62uu3DRNnLkun.kAK6taVcHrbYjVFHqyB6k_H2e7aQp698H4eLTJo7 Hs7nSG0WBWGJCLXDu2uKfdqW.xILX4w5VfJqNYBkFIF.uxWgud55KHxQtpAm RLcX2k0ZIN_7iwTQ.NDZR6Nu5kFd7bKQ4CFP.QozHyPNkCima32ZGbk4ccgq 04e7o8LABntyzJbDt.4PSPwQSbUv1LvqkJ8u.ErlRDx_fYbsYehPIpFeAK28 tigZBfXu86d8_zPdfA2a0FoQoYwVblQLF8f4V0frbfuX8VN3qtLISJ8NBP3R KcM8RFQNm_sUsdRfJKvw5RpvXZ.d7pTLFK7pwM1ynz6IUVsGMERzOW0p3Jei VH0pqfytysuLVGbL216SYzpTuM__70suQ.WeT8h1w.iT8b1M7Nc51W6r1lSp rlBqI2EPxcZH9hzIc Received: from [24.182.196.88] by web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:31:05 PST Um9uLApJIHRoaW5rIHRoZSBtYWluIHZhcmlhYmxlIGlzIHRoZSBzcGVjaWZpYyBkZXNpZ24gb2YgdGhlIHRvcnF1ZSBhcm0gKGdlb21ldHJ5LCBjb25zdHJ1Y3Rpb24gYW5kIG1vdW50aW5nIHRlY2huaXF1ZXMpLiBJIGFzc3VtZSB0aGUgcHJvZHVjdGlvbiBHTSBGLWJvZHkgZGVzaWduIGhhcyBtYW55IGNvbXByb21pc2VzIGR1ZSB0byBjb3N0IGFuZCBwYWNrYWdpbmcuIEknZCBleHBlY3QgYSB3ZWxsIGVuZ2luZWVyZWQgYWZ0ZXJtYXJrZXQgc2V0dXAgd291bGQgYXZvaWQgdGhlIHBlcmZvcm1hbmNlIHJlbGEBMAEBAQE- References: <1526586558.1091419.1360707947956.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:31:05 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Waybright To: 'Tigers' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ron, I think the main variable is the specific design of the torque arm (geometry, construction and mounting techniques). I assume the production GM F-body design has many compromises due to cost and packaging. I'd expect a well engineered aftermarket setup would avoid the performance related concerns on brake lockup unless it was designed primarily for straight line applications. With this in mind, I'd have little concern on how Dan's works, or my Griggs Racing setup. I will admit that I have yet to risk my Tiger by pushing hard enough to find the limits, especially since my Spec Miata is so much ea$ier to replace in a worst case scenario. Stephen ________________________________ From: Ron Fraser To: genepadgett@comcast.net; 'Bob H' Cc: 'Tigers' Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? It seems to me we might be missing some variables with the setup since there are variable results. Possibly different front or rear spring rates or maybe brake pads and type of tire. I'm going to throw in another idea. Anyone look at Air Ride technology for the Tiger? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:26 PM To: Bob H Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Bob, Many thanks for sharing your rather sobering spinout experiences and the technical information. The latter is going to take me more than one read to understand everything, but I am getting the picture! I am thinking that the Tiger's short wheel base is not helping things in our particular application. I am inclined to enjoy twisty roads whenever found (and hopefully more autocrossing in the future). A potential unpleasant surprise under heavy emergency braking in a sharp corner is not something I want to risk. If I was just drag racing, or doing stop light burnouts, that would be a much different situation. Fellow Listers, I, for one, am still looking forward to hearing any experiences with the Caltrac system. It appears to only control axle rotation in the acceleration mode and the axle is otherwise unrestrained in braking. Seems like a good application for the Tiger, in theory at least. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob H" To: "Tigers" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:31:30 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? For the more technically oriented in this group: http://www.unbalancedengineering.com/Product_Development/Development%20of%20 the%20Unbalanced%20Engineering%20Decoupled%20Torque%20Arm.pdf _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: 02/12/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 14:02:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE9040E45 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:02:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E4C4044A for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:00:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from Larry-Paulicks-MacBook-Pro.local ([unknown] [96.244.79.85]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MI6008MYFEFA110@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:54:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:54:15 -0500 From: Larry Paulick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <1360701360.82589.YahooMailClassic@web124704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <03C3957F851A4B7EAC0E01558404DD08@owner9967ddf8c> Subject: Re: [Tigers] 1966 MK 1A Exhuast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At the time the SS Tri Delta's were not avaliable, but it is a good choice, although I have experienced no deteriation of the muffs (remember to drill 1/8" holes in muffs to allow drainage of water, that is very acid, to increase life of muffs). Yes, I added an "H" pipe that is shown in the article http://tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickExhaust/pt-PaulickExhaust1.asp. The tips are cut just short of the bumpers, so you don't catch your legs on them. Larry On 2/12/13 4:17 PM, RObin Young wrote: > Joel, I copied Larry's set up and it turned out well. I used the Tri- Delta > stainless Flowmasters and they sounded great under a load but were quiet at > idle and cruise. Not sure if Larry used a cross over tube but, it goes 17" > behind the exhaust valve. With headers, this occurs just behind the > collector. I used a flanged, stainless 1" tube. Everything is available > online at Aircraft Spruce for the stainless tube, flanges and gaskets if you > like the idea. RObin > > -----Original Message----- > Larry Paulicks High Performance Tiger Exhaust System write up shows Series > 50 > Delta Flowmaster mufflers.B The 50 series changes from the aggressive (40 > Series) to moderate sound in the 50 series, which indicates the elimination > of > the bdrownb sound at highway speeds b good thing. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 16:22:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF29340E5F for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:22:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp02.frii.com (smtp02.frii.com [216.17.135.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FB8403FB for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:22:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.frii.com (webmail.frii.com [216.17.135.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp02.frii.com (FRII) with ESMTP id B88ECDA2BF for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:16:34 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:16:34 -0700 From: Bob Dixon To: "tigers@autox.tea" References: User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.7.2 Subject: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I suspect the answers are 'no' but here goes: If a dumb-ass paint shop sandblasted the vin plate off a Tiger, is there any way to legally replace it? Could a Tiger be TAC'd without it's original vin plate? If a new VIN is issued by the state, could a Tiger still be TAC'd? Thanks, Bob Currently Tigerless :-( _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 16:36:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5DD40E9F for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:36:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f173.google.com (mail-ie0-f173.google.com [209.85.223.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5B340402 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:33:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 9so2472580iec.4 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:27:44 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=dtF4cjrV+Cdg6W1y3phHodzN9SHLibfumKm1xoAwTZY=; b=ytkuH4QFrbuGzIk5wJvQVI1Ifqb+BcWUiDg1c3r+znb6Tli0o4aS+xinKxujVHM+m0 efSR/uUpOoAlyo9PtykIlaHfuAWJdhHChzfH/SCssawSKPZb9o1GMEikTOSAhlUvGCfr wkTuDP8mayIeefQYSjTQru7+fr29r6Smp/mg25KMYpeZr75HI1SxEM8Js9wqu42daq5B JTOkqJrULJqM2Muqx3U5HBDskMV0nIcBsrdncQm9zBpfUx9COouuYZELqXW1AOuDfbNd dS1tMKu+OlYhC4npdo6ra8dS8dS57o+QGKK2If7OdUHimKogCZMy32Avjc3QExFzhCAB sXcA== ot7mr15043282igc.2.1360798057822; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:27:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.230.70 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:27:37 -0800 (PST) References: <319a178ee7b5437cc0219a185e2cbbb0@frii.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:27:37 +1100 From: michael king To: Bob Dixon Cc: "tigers@autox.tea" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The Tiger could still get a TAC, lots of factory ID elements and procedures still on the body... I believe there is a process via the TAC boys to re-issue a VIn if the Vin is known.. wont be as original and is not trying to be IIRC... So short answer, yes can be TAC'd.. as for legally replacing with a repro.. probably not.. but could still TAC with a state tag On 14 February 2013 10:16, Bob Dixon wrote: > I suspect the answers are 'no' but here goes: > > If a dumb-ass paint shop sandblasted the vin plate off a Tiger, is there > any way to legally replace it? Could a Tiger be TAC'd without it's > original vin plate? If a new VIN is issued by the state, could a Tiger > still be TAC'd? > > Thanks, > Bob > Currently Tigerless :-( > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/tigers/michael.s.king@**gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 17:57:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AA140E63 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:57:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2757740E44 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:44:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:38:48 -0500 From: "rande" To: bobdixon@frii.com Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:38:48 -0500 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] TACing a car with no VIN plate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, The short answer is yes, if there's enough evidence on the car that it was originally built as a Tiger by Rootes / Jensen. When you get to the point where you're ready for an inspection, bring whatever you have in the way of title,registration, restoration photos, something, if possible, to establish the original serial number of the Tiger, because there are spaces on the TAC certificate for serial number,Model(Mark I,IA,II) Original color code,License plate number, JAL No.,Engine No., Current color, original rivets(yes or no)(please, no letters). While I think of it, did the idiot painter completely blow off the plate, or did they only just blast off the black printing and the plate is otherwise still there? I don't know if you said that you have this car, or if you're just considering buying it. In any case, contact the TAC team nearest you to find out what would help them to inspect and hopefully certify this car Rande Bellman TAC Inspector #61 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 22:05:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA304065A for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 22:05:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B0040420 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 22:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 04qm1l0011zF43QA54y09J; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 04:58:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.91] ([67.164.102.155]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 04xz1l00E3MALtP8k4xzbj; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 04:58:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:57:58 -0800 From: Tom Hall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: Bob Dixon References: <319a178ee7b5437cc0219a185e2cbbb0@frii.com> s=q20121106; t=1360817880; bh=7xUEthxYGNC/pEWABcd1NEvEcfHXNCGWlEL/UEHKsWU=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=kPQONe11a7x4pARsxOzfRTMT7VaVHf6E7w8eRRQgAlB7YHiAT0d5FAjyRQouGNxKz Zt0qddJTUorfjxRUw+GuHw/7VfB+S5RDiD+ddE1IaUwSEFR7S5P+FTaeKgyuSenu2u JqfrT+S4jEUDnlbeoSQ/efzY/cAmWSwPxvf6xyk4eCrLLDVONuh+d0uVA3LSajz2E4 1+dQp6RP6WKOVa2s98bw+c9nvYARJfcIn55fa9cnxqbvjt/uyDQ5KeGv/2Lqjixf9E rRXgb2OAU/N6GCriwJRXmNApEzGhXnZvhbtaIcFc6tB0LzSjdL5SAoIJ7sFss6aymG YK1erODggpzDA== Cc: Tiger e-mail List Subject: [Tigers] TAC-ability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On 2/13/2013 3:16 PM, Bob Dixon wrote: > I suspect the answers are 'no' but here goes: > > If a dumb-ass paint shop sandblasted the vin plate off a Tiger, is > there any way to legally replace it? Could a Tiger be TAC'd without > it's original vin plate? If a new VIN is issued by the state, could a > Tiger still be TAC'd? > > Thanks, > Bob > Currently Tigerless :-( Its nice to know that the world wide training process for our TAC Inspectors is complete enough that they, and other owners on this list, not necessarily officially associated with the TAC process, can respond positively about your request. Officially, TAC Inspectors, trained by the STOA TAC Committee, can process any chassis, under appropriate contitions, to attempt to determine if it was originally produced as a " Sunbeam Tiger". It is obviously difficult to locate (for filing purposes) a chassis that has no remaining identification. But that situation is rarely the case. The chassis in most cases has the differential and or the transmission, both of which still have individual serial numbers which can lead us to a matching VIN number, which we can trace from original Jensen Production records. A bare shell, with no other components is TAC-able, but the question and problem is: where do we file it in our data base, based on original VIN numbers? So if you are contemplating the purchase of a Tiger with a missing or partially destroyed VIN Tag, you should be more concerned with the aspect of (is this a real Tiger chassis) than the readability of the remaining VIN Tag. State issued ID may affect the value of the chassis, but it does not disrupt our criteria for chassis inspection. Since we have already Authenticated almost 1000 original Tiger chassis, the question may already have been solved. Did you look next to the wiper motor mounting location on the inner cowl to see if it has already been Authenticated (TACed)? STOA TAC Senior Inspector #1 -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 09:45:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0832042463 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:45:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp01.frii.com (smtp01.frii.com [216.17.135.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0266F422E1 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:45:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.frii.com (webmail.frii.com [216.17.135.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp01.frii.com (FRII) with ESMTP id 63401E8097; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:39:14 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:39:14 -0700 From: Bob Dixon To: Tom Hall References: <319a178ee7b5437cc0219a185e2cbbb0@frii.com> <511C6ED6.3030009@comcast.net> User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.7.2 Cc: Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC-ability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the great responses! It has not been TAC'd but I'm confident it is a real Tiger. On 02/13/13 09:57 PM, Tom Hall wrote: > On 2/13/2013 3:16 PM, Bob Dixon wrote: >> I suspect the answers are 'no' but here goes: >> >> If a dumb-ass paint shop sandblasted the vin plate off a Tiger, is >> there any way to legally replace it? Could a Tiger be TAC'd without >> it's original vin plate? If a new VIN is issued by the state, could a >> Tiger still be TAC'd? >> >> Thanks, >> Bob >> Currently Tigerless :-( > > Itbs nice to know that the world wide training process for our TAC > Inspectors is complete enough that they, and other owners on this > list, not necessarily officially associated with the TAC process, can > respond positively about your request. Officially, TAC Inspectors, > trained by the STOA TAC Committee, can process any chassis, under > appropriate contitions, to attempt to determine if it was originally > produced as a " Sunbeam Tiger". It is obviously difficult to > blocateb (for filing purposes) a chassis that has no remaining > identification. But that situation is rarely the case. The chassis in > most cases has the differential and or the transmission, both of > which > still have individual serial numbers which can lead us to a matching > VIN number, which we can trace from original Jensen Production > records. A bare shell, with no other components is bTAC-ableb, > but > the question and problem is: where do we file it in our data base, > based on original VIN numbers? > > So if you are contemplating the purchase of a Tiger with a missing or > partially destroyed VIN Tag, you should be more concerned with the > aspect of (is this a real Tiger chassis) than the readability of the > remaining VIN Tag. State issued ID may affect the value of the > chassis, but it does not disrupt our criteria for chassis inspection. > > Since we have already Authenticated almost 1000 original Tiger > chassis, the question may already have been solved. Did you look next > to the wiper motor mounting location on the inner cowl to see if it > has already been Authenticated (TACed)? > > STOA TAC Senior Inspector #1 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 11:02:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EEB42453 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:02:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from out01.mta.xmission.com (out01.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FEFE422A7 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:56:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx01.mta.xmission.com ([166.70.13.211]) by out01.mta.xmission.com with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U62eF-0004r5-S5; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:31:55 -0700 Received: from mta1.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.65]) by mx01.mta.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U62eF-0005WX-Gn; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:31:03 -0700 Received: from mta1.zcs.xmission.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta1.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0751C40B3; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:31:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from LynnPC (c-76-23-31-210.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [76.23.31.210]) by mta1.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 044A51C40B1; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:31:02 -0700 (MST) From: "Lynn" To: "'Bob Dixon'" , "'tigers@autox.tea'" References: <319a178ee7b5437cc0219a185e2cbbb0@frii.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:31:00 -0700 Thread-Index: AQJ+M6ZdIJ5YtMZzlOwnpyzuD+B72gKiwtmylwNL3FA= Content-Language: en-us to false Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, I had the same issue. Both my JAL tag and vin tag was desolved by an acid dip. The answer to both is yes, regardless of what some will say. The TAC will not be a problem at all. However, regarding the replacement VIN tag it might depend on what state you are in. Admittedly, Los Angeles might be a different story than rural North Dakota but I would love to meet a cop in either place that would pull you over, ask for you to open the hood and first inspect then determine the VIN plate was not original to the Sunbeam Tiger and impound your car for eventual dismemberment/crushing. Since I had the original title I went to the DMV and they issued a new title, for my state, with the original VIN. I made a replacement tag and all was done. I showed it to the Chief of Police in my town and he could not have cared less nor could he, by his own admission, tell if it was original. You will hear lots of horror stories about a "friend of a friend" who had their car impounded and crushed due to an illegal/replacement VIN tag I doubt you will hear from a single person with firsthand experience. Check with your local jurisdiction, be honest, show them the evidence, if any. You will probably be surprised at the result. I was told that they did not care what the VIN tag looked like as long as it had the correct number. You could have a VIN tag made that looked original, as opposed to the state issued replacement. Good luck, Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Dixon Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:17 PM To: tigers@autox.tea Subject: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate I suspect the answers are 'no' but here goes: If a dumb-ass paint shop sandblasted the vin plate off a Tiger, is there any way to legally replace it? Could a Tiger be TAC'd without it's original vin plate? If a new VIN is issued by the state, could a Tiger still be TAC'd? Thanks, Bob Currently Tigerless :-( _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 11:52:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D161F4225A for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:52:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDFC40F5C for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MI8005SV44C7JV1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:45:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <319a178ee7b5437cc0219a185e2cbbb0@frii.com> <000001ce0ad9$0f0f6050$2d2e20f0$@wt-inc.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:45:50 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >>>If a dumb-ass paint shop sandblasted the vin plate off a Tiger, is there >>>any way to legally replace it? <<< Lynn refers to Los Angeles and I'm therefore assuming Bob lives in California. My understanding is that the State does issue replacement VIN's. But they are not "like" the Rootes issued VIN. The State has their own placard (and ID numbers) that gets riveted to the door frame. I do not know if they also stamp the body somewhere. Additionally, with no VIN identifiers remaining I don't know what "can of worms" you may be opening in dealing with a bureaucracy. You may need the VIN placard for insurance. And, if you ever get pulled over you prized ride might get towed, and impounded without the proper body ID. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn" To: "'Bob Dixon'" ; "'tigers@autox.tea'" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate > Bob, > > I had the same issue. Both my JAL tag and vin tag was desolved by an acid > dip. > > The answer to both is yes, regardless of what some will say. > > The TAC will not be a problem at all. However, regarding the replacement > VIN tag it might depend on what state you are in. Admittedly, Los Angeles > might be a different story than rural North Dakota but I would love to > meet > a cop in either place that would pull you over, ask for you to open the > hood > and first inspect then determine the VIN plate was not original to the > Sunbeam Tiger and impound your car for eventual dismemberment/crushing. > > Since I had the original title I went to the DMV and they issued a new > title, for my state, with the original VIN. I made a replacement tag and > all was done. I showed it to the Chief of Police in my town and he could > not have cared less nor could he, by his own admission, tell if it was > original. > > You will hear lots of horror stories about a "friend of a friend" who had > their car impounded and crushed due to an illegal/replacement VIN tag I > doubt you will hear from a single person with firsthand experience. > > Check with your local jurisdiction, be honest, show them the evidence, if > any. You will probably be surprised at the result. I was told that they > did not care what the VIN tag looked like as long as it had the correct > number. You could have a VIN tag made that looked original, as opposed to > the state issued replacement. > > Good luck, > > Lynn > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Bob Dixon > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:17 PM > To: tigers@autox.tea > Subject: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate > > I suspect the answers are 'no' but here goes: > > If a dumb-ass paint shop sandblasted the vin plate off a Tiger, is there > any > way to legally replace it? Could a Tiger be TAC'd without it's original > vin > plate? If a new VIN is issued by the state, could a Tiger still be TAC'd? > > Thanks, > Bob > Currently Tigerless :-( _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 12:18:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE0F4247A for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:18:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp01.frii.com (smtp01.frii.com [216.17.135.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896C540338 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:08:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.6] (c-67-176-48-74.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.48.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp01.frii.com (FRII) with ESMTP id 09ABEE820E; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:02:51 -0700 (MST) References: <319a178ee7b5437cc0219a185e2cbbb0@frii.com> <000001ce0ad9$0f0f6050$2d2e20f0$@wt-inc.com> <4BFE546F58D74056BCA5730179C84EA4@optiplex3301> From: Bob Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:02:48 -0700 To: Thomas Witt Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm in Colorado. I'll have to look into our state rules. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 14, 2013, at 11:45 AM, "Thomas Witt" wrote: >>>> If a dumb-ass paint shop sandblasted the vin plate off a Tiger, is there any way to legally replace it? <<< > > Lynn refers to Los Angeles and I'm therefore assuming Bob lives in California. My understanding is that the State does issue replacement VIN's. But they are not "like" the Rootes issued VIN. The State has their own placard (and ID numbers) that gets riveted to the door frame. I do not know if they also stamp the body somewhere. > > Additionally, with no VIN identifiers remaining I don't know what "can of worms" you may be opening in dealing with a bureaucracy. You may need the VIN placard for insurance. And, if you ever get pulled over you prized ride might get towed, and impounded without the proper body ID. > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn" > To: "'Bob Dixon'" ; "'tigers@autox.tea'" > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:31 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate > > >> Bob, >> >> I had the same issue. Both my JAL tag and vin tag was desolved by an acid >> dip. >> >> The answer to both is yes, regardless of what some will say. >> >> The TAC will not be a problem at all. However, regarding the replacement >> VIN tag it might depend on what state you are in. Admittedly, Los Angeles >> might be a different story than rural North Dakota but I would love to meet >> a cop in either place that would pull you over, ask for you to open the hood >> and first inspect then determine the VIN plate was not original to the >> Sunbeam Tiger and impound your car for eventual dismemberment/crushing. >> >> Since I had the original title I went to the DMV and they issued a new >> title, for my state, with the original VIN. I made a replacement tag and >> all was done. I showed it to the Chief of Police in my town and he could >> not have cared less nor could he, by his own admission, tell if it was >> original. >> >> You will hear lots of horror stories about a "friend of a friend" who had >> their car impounded and crushed due to an illegal/replacement VIN tag I >> doubt you will hear from a single person with firsthand experience. >> >> Check with your local jurisdiction, be honest, show them the evidence, if >> any. You will probably be surprised at the result. I was told that they >> did not care what the VIN tag looked like as long as it had the correct >> number. You could have a VIN tag made that looked original, as opposed to >> the state issued replacement. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Lynn >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Bob Dixon >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:17 PM >> To: tigers@autox.tea >> Subject: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate >> >> I suspect the answers are 'no' but here goes: >> >> If a dumb-ass paint shop sandblasted the vin plate off a Tiger, is there any >> way to legally replace it? Could a Tiger be TAC'd without it's original vin >> plate? If a new VIN is issued by the state, could a Tiger still be TAC'd? >> >> Thanks, >> Bob >> Currently Tigerless :-( > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobdixon@frii.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 12:37:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C3640EE0 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:37:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05362403D7 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:37:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id fl17so1747337vcb.27 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:31:12 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=o4HAmiH39BeWrRjpXPr+rP1Ws5tF9eVAUTabvvfMUOU=; b=QbKDWLTV4JUQL1G1aKJ7ZXOhkJ/bU3lzJSZpa7qdnbqBqAAp13U5rkoKKj/P67zAfw gLFf5Jf/+fm6GVBuf2qM68IDdRh1utpReB/EoefWfUKSwVT0JA37d42fUS40QreDdIms iQSx5nO/95nutrzHB1hQmiNlkZfV6r6zs6Iwcphs1epj1479jP/JDkyRqwlFkkvXCAV4 GmFeCYpgcMh1hgezZ4rreOeZ9UxBAahbEyyeKbsoBIEVVeeQrIjI5ktgkavD38M8dQAO QSsONUHOQvbDnZ5NneTkzZZyLL0f/kKeP6pQOcwHbRxOaQJAu65zr0xliU285MGDTnke nPVA== wa5mr11774464vdc.80.1360870272439; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.208.145 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:31:12 -0800 (PST) References: <319a178ee7b5437cc0219a185e2cbbb0@frii.com> <000001ce0ad9$0f0f6050$2d2e20f0$@wt-inc.com> <4BFE546F58D74056BCA5730179C84EA4@optiplex3301> <82426162-9076-47C7-9461-DEBE99D4BE8A@frii.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:31:12 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: Bob Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Has anyone ever been pulled over and had their vin checked? I never have. Entering Egypt and Saudi Arabia in my Mercedes, I needed a special plastic embossed plate on the engine with my vin and engine number so they could easily compare to the carnet de passage and because most of them couldn't copy the characters they wanted it embossed to take a pencil rubbing. Anyway, I've just never had the vin plate looked at when pulled over. Surely cops just care about the registration? I was fairly recently arrested by federal park rangers in my c-type who towed the car while they got to know me at the station. It ended amicably after a few hours and they released me and the car but even then they didn't check the vin. Would love to hear of anyone's vin plate ever being examined. On Thursday, February 14, 2013, Bob wrote: > I'm in Colorado. I'll have to look into our state rules. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 14, 2013, at 11:45 AM, "Thomas Witt" > wrote: > > >>>> If a dumb-ass paint shop sandblasted the vin plate off a Tiger, is > there > any way to legally replace it? <<< > > > > Lynn refers to Los Angeles and I'm therefore assuming Bob lives in > California. My understanding is that the State does issue replacement > VIN's. > But they are not "like" the Rootes issued VIN. The State has their own > placard (and ID numbers) that gets riveted to the door frame. I do not > know > if they also stamp the body somewhere. > > > > Additionally, with no VIN identifiers remaining I don't know what "can of > worms" you may be opening in dealing with a bureaucracy. You may need > the > VIN placard for insurance. And, if you ever get pulled over you prized > ride > might get towed, and impounded without the proper body ID. > > > > Tom > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn" > > To: "'Bob Dixon'" ; "'tigers@autox.tea'" > > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:31 AM > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate > > > > > >> Bob, > >> > >> I had the same issue. Both my JAL tag and vin tag was desolved by an > acid > >> dip. > >> > >> The answer to both is yes, regardless of what some will say. > >> > >> The TAC will not be a problem at all. However, regarding the > replacement > >> VIN tag it might depend on what state you are in. Admittedly, Los > Angeles > >> might be a different story than rural North Dakota but I would love to > meet > >> a cop in either place that would pull you over, ask for you to open the > hood > >> and first inspect then determine the VIN plate was not original to the > >> Sunbeam Tiger and impound your car for eventual dismemberment/crushing. > >> > >> Since I had the original title I went to the DMV and they issued a new > >> title, for my state, with the original VIN. I made a replacement tag > and > >> all was done. I showed it to the Chief of Police in my town and he > could > >> not have cared less nor could he, by his own admission, tell if it was > >> original. > >> > >> You will hear lots of horror stories about a "friend of a friend" who > had > >> their car impounded and crushed due to an illegal/replacement VIN tag I > >> doubt you will hear from a single person with firsthand experience. > >> > >> Check with your local jurisdiction, be honest, show them the evidence, > if > >> any. You will probably be surprised at the result. I was told that > they > >> did not care what the VIN tag looked like as long as it had the correct > >> number. You could have a VIN tag made that looked original, as opposed > to > >> the state issued replacement. > >> > >> Good luck, > >> > >> Lynn > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto: > tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > >> On Behalf Of Bob Dixon > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:17 PM > >> To: tigers@autox.tea > >> Subject: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate > >> > >> I suspect the answers are 'no' but here goes: > >> > >> If a dumb-ass paint shop sandblasted the vin plate off a Tiger, is there > any > >> way to legally replace it? Could a Tiger be TAC'd without it's original > vin > >> plate? If a new VIN is issued by the state, could a Tiger still be > TAC'd? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Bob > >> Currently Tigerless :-( > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/arc > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobdixon@frii.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 12:48:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3F140E68 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:48:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com (mail-vc0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276CA40691 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:48:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id m18so1728275vcm.36 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:42:31 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=WRmaLtDy1tGC0SK19u8mwI443ddhG7v5YIa1cYHN9IA=; b=KHEsjfY3iTa2VZCAKDr5sX4Km4tXwDynJqY8m6Uf9UTaDfUSL9PJdZY5VhDKJ7u6l5 IJYhYBma3Km6UZFJRA17YUtuT4eIL+YnP5Rj7HM0u9CVntiGMwOuet2T/dfmzmlTsKEo eNTaRsRMHT936i3phuYtUIQYssfSfe/UjVlT14aXfsENHE4/2RpKj1hhDIvUCG1rnz4g alA8Gznj/uPzg+n16zL/zx9oMObYdSX8E3BlDw46/11I5QCSwOEqLRKC32xCY0dz19XV Exyvlfru6yREQtnEqsdXj2R0Tu1JMtBwjiUXgK2sUcTCtDds34nHqt3aur72ZpY6kDJQ Epbg== vz11mr36397127vec.45.1360870939714; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.221.6.4 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:42:19 -0800 (PST) References: <319a178ee7b5437cc0219a185e2cbbb0@frii.com> <000001ce0ad9$0f0f6050$2d2e20f0$@wt-inc.com> <4BFE546F58D74056BCA5730179C84EA4@optiplex3301> <82426162-9076-47C7-9461-DEBE99D4BE8A@frii.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:42:19 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have!!!! But, and it's a big but, the car was a very unique car. It was a kit car I built with my dad called a Sebring - on a VW chassis, but of course for dad, had to change the engine to a V6. Here's a link to the car: http://www.sterlingkitcars.com/members_n_forums/vbclassified.php?do=ad&id=84 It is registered as a VW too. So when the cop saw me driving, and punched in the license plate, and it said "VW" on it, he pulled me over. He claimed a brake light was out too. He had me show him the VIN stamped in the chassis. But otherwise, we had a good conversation and I didn't get any ticket. Jay On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > Has anyone ever been pulled over and had their vin checked? I never have. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 14:05:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E7940E38 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:05:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9166140417 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:05:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY145-DS9 ([65.54.190.188]) by bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:59:10 -0800 From: "Tiger Man" To: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:59:01 -0700 FILETIME=[23315030:01CE0AF6] Subject: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Was looking to pick up a new battery for the tiger. Current battery that is in it is an Interstate 24-50. I thought I remember that group 24 was the original size, but I can't remember what reference I found that in. Poking around, it looks like group 24 is available, it isn't very common anymore except in marine batteries. Looking at the optima site, they pulled up a size 34 battery for the Sunbeam tiger. Since I'm not really worried about concourse, Is group 34 that what other people are running as a practical matter? Or is there another size that makes more sense? Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 14:23:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16E340E66 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:23:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.demon.co.uk (mdfmta002.mxout.tbr.inty.net [91.221.168.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EF440526 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:16:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from mdfmta002.tbr.inty.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mdfmta002.tbr.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84D05F40BD; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:10:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdfmta002.tbr.inty.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mdfmta002.tbr.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA195F40BB; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:10:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from HVUT05.thus.corp (unknown [91.221.168.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mdfmta002.tbr.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:10:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from EXMBX16.thus.corp ([169.254.4.69]) by HVUT05.thus.corp ([fe80::30bd:a8de:2b53:3c2f%11]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:10:47 +0000 From: Jeff Howarth To: Jay Laifman , "owain.lloyd@gmail.com" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate Thread-Index: AQHOCuOChlgiYija50+XqvN3YQxKFJh5tfsAgAAH7wCAAAMbgIAAGDar Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:10:46 +0000 References: <319a178ee7b5437cc0219a185e2cbbb0@frii.com> <000001ce0ad9$0f0f6050$2d2e20f0$@wt-inc.com> <4BFE546F58D74056BCA5730179C84EA4@optiplex3301> <82426162-9076-47C7-9461-DEBE99D4BE8A@frii.com> , Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-GB x-originating-ip: [86.171.124.58] Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Jay, they used to have those over here in the UK, they were called NOVA kit cars. I guess that name was already taken over there. I friend of mine had one at the same time as I had my Lotus Esprit, the lifting Nova roof was cool, but mine went round corners a lot better :-) Jeff ________________________________________ From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] on behalf of Jay Laifman [jay.laifman@gmail.com] Sent: 14 February 2013 19:42 To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com Cc: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate I have!!!! But, and it's a big but, the car was a very unique car. It was a kit car I built with my dad called a Sebring - on a VW chassis, but of course for dad, had to change the engine to a V6. Here's a link to the car: http://www.sterlingkitcars.com/members_n_forums/vbclassified.php?do=ad&id=84 It is registered as a VW too. So when the cop saw me driving, and punched in the license plate, and it said "VW" on it, he pulled me over. He claimed a brake light was out too. He had me show him the VIN stamped in the chassis. But otherwise, we had a good conversation and I didn't get any ticket. Jay On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > Has anyone ever been pulled over and had their vin checked? I never have. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 14:39:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D68F422E5 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:39:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F92640526 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:33:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r1ELRQdu011975; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:27:36 -0800 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b0a6) id dm0225.510c2951.20cef8; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:27:28 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Tiger Man'" , Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:27:15 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4K9izKcOIxcmJrQJWOBXb4rEHiSwAAgHcg engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-14_07:2013-02-14,2013-02-14,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1302140171 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Steve I have an Interstate MT-34 battery in my Tiger. Seems to me there was also an optional battery listed that was a little longer. You would have to look to see if that optional battery is still available. MT-34 case is 6 3/4"W x 10 1/4"L x 7"H Tiger battery plastic tray is 6 15/16"W x 11 3/16"L Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tiger Man Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:59 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Was looking to pick up a new battery for the tiger. Current battery that is in it is an Interstate 24-50. I thought I remember that group 24 was the original size, but I can't remember what reference I found that in. Poking around, it looks like group 24 is available, it isn't very common anymore except in marine batteries. Looking at the optima site, they pulled up a size 34 battery for the Sunbeam tiger. Since I'm not really worried about concourse, Is group 34 that what other people are running as a practical matter? Or is there another size that makes more sense? Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6103 - Release Date: 02/14/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 14:40:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33064245A for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:40:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC4540559 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:39:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id n10so1840145vcn.0 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:33:05 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=sE/74G1a3ag6SySEjWdjC9UeenZrfBxSkUjxa6RB/N8=; b=kfoFzdbUrur/Yozrslu35YwNQK/2RkVeWg7Cmoo8fQrboH+2+C1xod4/6W9dx23E7d x2E4EYw3TdwtiI+KSEvguf3AH5CSxDDqm9PPOQZ4l3e9+hDx5ohq/NCWDmCoSqo5wZKP 4yd6Wq2M5/uZV9QA6oIb67FG5FK09q3mZwarDj0GkB3VgPSxEGIvLT73Hx+BFBCSz/cm ark6Sk4fwo8rbhSfAVLeBbIppWsD/8PZ5j2j4m9rqVOu69GxMIHcVpkctFRf78j6MMng 3UVFmKJYoyJnFqIRnbcli6ltdJy0n/zjc5jEWClMKvGk4Lfg9Ec7NMXekJMdqS8r1A4j 4NjA== ky11mr310163vcb.11.1360877585688; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.221.6.4 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:33:05 -0800 (PST) References: <319a178ee7b5437cc0219a185e2cbbb0@frii.com> <000001ce0ad9$0f0f6050$2d2e20f0$@wt-inc.com> <4BFE546F58D74056BCA5730179C84EA4@optiplex3301> <82426162-9076-47C7-9461-DEBE99D4BE8A@frii.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:33:05 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: Jeff Howarth Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, but if your engine broke, you needed major bucks in the bank and mechanics with multiple elbows to get into tight places. If his engine broke, all he needed was to twist up another rubber band!! :-) I still drive it and it really gets amazing attention. Which is pretty funny since when it came out, there was nothing like it. Now, there are Ferraris and Lamborghinis that are all over the place and look so exotic themselves. (Yeah, I know, I live in a place where "reality" is all upside down and backwards). On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Jeff Howarth wrote: > Hi Jay, > > they used to have those over here in the UK, they were called NOVA kit > cars. I guess that name was already taken over there. > I friend of mine had one at the same time as I had my Lotus Esprit, the > lifting Nova roof was cool, but mine went round corners a lot better :-) > > > Jeff > > > ________________________________________ > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] on > behalf of Jay Laifman [jay.laifman@gmail.com] > Sent: 14 February 2013 19:42 > To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacement VIN plate > > I have!!!! > > But, and it's a big but, the car was a very unique car. It was a kit car I > built with my dad called a Sebring - on a VW chassis, but of course for > dad, had to change the engine to a V6. Here's a link to the car: > > http://www.sterlingkitcars.com/members_n_forums/vbclassified.php?do=ad&id=84 > > It is registered as a VW too. So when the cop saw me driving, and punched > in the license plate, and it said "VW" on it, he pulled me over. He > claimed a brake light was out too. He had me show him the VIN stamped in > the chassis. But otherwise, we had a good conversation and I didn't get > any ticket. > > Jay > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Owain Lloyd > wrote: > > > Has anyone ever been pulled over and had their vin checked? I never > have. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 14:54:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E3E40E54 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:54:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm15-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC46C403DF for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:49:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.102] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2013 21:43:40 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.82] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2013 21:43:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2013 21:43:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 71786 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2013 21:43:40 -0000 s=s1024; t=1360878220; bh=aVoj8uy3WPi63w1NoDB7ZmldYP6Aga2o9jAk1zC/9K8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OZxmgnQBE/NUY/9Vb2oLjVEUNfPxWRUOXYL/TDbTuQKoe1CPpKCHXCNjorRTfBSqwyYDMcD34C099VvR0FBuUBYhzh5pAV5WZmv/qNJkXTWBCRq/x4PPXesqi1xDgF60OJ4KYcx3cqTkDJeS86llXNDCJ05KtRY45lXBrI+RwcU= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=G+8ZVjnS/qX7F8gA1tGk8NGCKqSlsAQVjLvgwP5+fcEUGkz0Uycbc6Oo+hDrEh/986+OWWfo8fkQHi4QpLDFDG63Ag37llXH8UIrto8orMoBblj7DnTQhe7fYFmXfarmFq600ThSRNFWay0IBqzbdGxXaLBhzi6F5Ikt2tIisFE=; eL3LGDECfKdOkQV0RsHAAjlDA1MpPrYo.9JgEdGgzV7QFaUhT9OnFlKwkMuE y9nidTBIZbxznthn_YE_l7frz51n8TUf87ybcS9tjdV.8.qqXQamCSquiOrn pGEP93xfpaTzmX0PtvbQpEeGWzMAI3tf6obNM7NWCJXxxNJk8JEsdQZwK6Es Ie1IuqlTeHNSfDU6tWI_QPUDqVIfJKZhkBHTh7X3ni7VjdKg.T4KIFWQBdOl _hRxUWRPJ5F_RBv3HgDGxiZDExhSyZlHRjcfDTSsBaq5JTd_cvAzUHy5jfs8 l9TFpZ0CV3cdeO7SfzWnBiFm2YHRQe4BRdv4udQXCgsNSVOQfR4MQ5hlLpCv _Mc.6t.veZ7OknS.UXowsiIrBIp9dLlojAjB.BGiZwT4_s.lrwI.hxaBUYj1 O3ybMWaQS6QZ.yYwdwUSAtXPyflM96uu.A7KIzt.SAvvZ_6ZwBGiJKWDLt1H 1e7k71DeVBEV.FBn7hH1WJk4gp2JDceXjlDPpiH2AO6l3STaMb6E8ZvBT5Y3 FVyrC_d_1AakD.i1PWobTuKADMiQJXDNvKSmq3QaJrn0whfGYiiSr.VTydsf .mwpZlYl16otsSlE8ly0X7bY7bSQYa.g7BprnzxR4s4NQzBGFXYmSRl225S3 akKpydw9fZdsfoH7beuK0NUtghG11np2KB6aY Received: from [71.142.216.117] by web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:43:40 PST SG93IGFib3V0IHRoZSBDQ0EgZm9yIHlvdXIgYmF0dGVyeT8NCkkgZ290IDEsMDAwIGNjYSBmcm9tIE8nUmVpbGV5Li4uLlNpbmNlIGl0J3MgbG9jYXRlZCBpbiB0aGUgdHJ1bmssIHlvdSBuZWVkwqBhbGwgdGhlIHBvd2VyIHlvdSBjYW4gZ2V0IQ0KDQotLS0gT24gVGh1LCAyLzE0LzEzLCBSb24gRnJhc2VyIDxyZnJhc2VyQGJsdWVmcm9nLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCg0KRnJvbTogUm9uIEZyYXNlciA8cmZyYXNlckBibHVlZnJvZy5jb20.DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogW1RpZ2Vyc10gQ29ycmVjdCBiYXR0ZXJ5IHMBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:43:40 -0800 (PST) From: Greg To: 'Tiger Man' , tigers@autox.team.net, rfraser@bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net How about the CCA for your battery? I got 1,000 cca from O'Reiley....Since it's located in the trunk, you need all the power you can get! --- On Thu, 2/14/13, Ron Fraser wrote: From: Ron Fraser Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing To: "'Tiger Man'" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, February 14, 2013, 1:27 PM Steve I have an Interstate MT-34 battery in my Tiger. Seems to me there was also an optional battery listed that was a little longer. You would have to look to see if that optional battery is still available. MT-34 case is 6 3/4"W x 10 1/4"L x 7"H Tiger battery plastic tray is 6 15/16"W x 11 3/16"L Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tiger Man Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:59 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Was looking to pick up a new battery for the tiger. Current battery that is in it is an Interstate 24-50. I thought I remember that group 24 was the original size, but I can't remember what reference I found that in. Poking around, it looks like group 24 is available, it isn't very common anymore except in marine batteries. Looking at the optima site, they pulled up a size 34 battery for the Sunbeam tiger. Since I'm not really worried about concourse, Is group 34 that what other people are running as a practical matter? Or is there another size that makes more sense? Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6103 - Release Date: 02/14/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tiger-65@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 15:06:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5E740E3F for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:06:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe003.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD8D40329 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:59:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail113-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.247) by TX2EHSOBE015.bigfish.com (10.9.40.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:53:16 +0000 Received: from mail113-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail113-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6593110016D for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:53:16 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail113-tx2: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail113-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail113-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1360878793314542_13493; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS024.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.245]) by mail113-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4872018004C for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by TX2EHSMHS024.bigfish.com (10.9.99.124) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:53:13 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:53:27 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB01.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.1.85]) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.181]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:53:11 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Thread-Index: AQHOCvYsHaX0cuh070aRsZ6lb1+ZZph6QsaAgAAElwD//5zTMA== Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:53:10 +0000 References: <8681390030834D9793B9EDA669A4387D@ronpc1> <1360878220.71479.YahooMailClassic@web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It's also important that you keep the connections tight and corrosion free... it takes very little resistance in the battery to starter circuit (including all ground straps) to make the car unstartable regardless of the capability of the battery. I just swapped out my battery because I'd left it too long unattended... put in a 78DT with 900 CCA. I've previously had a bad incident with a leaking battery and the original tray, so right now that battery is sitting inside a full-height marine case. I did have to notch the upper corners of the case to fit the hold-down bar. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg > Sent: February 14, 2013 2:44 PM > To: 'Tiger Man'; tigers@autox.team.net; rfraser@bluefrog.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing > > How about the CCA for your battery? > I got 1,000 cca from O'Reiley....Since it's located in the trunk, you > need all the power you can get! > ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 15:15:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF57840E62 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:15:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D663340526 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:13:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 600E11C000479; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:07:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mld002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mld002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.122.80]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C5992E000091; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:07:07 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:07:07 -0500 (EST) To: tiger-65@sbcglobal.net, Tigerman67@hotmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net, rfraser@bluefrog.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1360879631; bh=+zGP6abKPzKkhPjogNdwvGLrMWxMe3v0EXN1InTTHfE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pwYNitP9E8r6l0vceAUWk/DqQ5zKDeNYdgxuud4iZul5/r3yiTwRnaU7HHASxXR9j TQJnQXUfhGHfMfrMcWW6TVwd6jyZW0EG+u7u/o03EetssD+ItY9bd8EwKgYz7I66mY 6i5yyr70GKZVe4/YNYcHlhiJ721lcBMu6DS13iy0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b511d600b02c0 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net When I buy batteries for my vehicles I just measure and put in the largest size that will fit. Starting in Vermont winters the Cold Cranking Amps is very important. Possibly cars in the hot climates need something different. Once I went into Sears to buy a battery for a Volvo. I looked at their size chart and picked out the largest that would fit in the tray and under the hood. The salesman told me he couldn't sell me that battery because it wasn't the one for my car. I asked why that made a difference. He said once they let someone put in the wrong battery and the car blew up. By now I realized the guy wasn't too sharp and asked for the manager. The manager was giving me basically the same answer and the story about the explosion. I asked how a 12V battery could cause an explosion in a system designed for 12 V. The answer was that the replacement battery was too tall and when the customer shut the hood it shorted out. That made sense. After I explained that I had checked all measurements including the height, he let me buy the one that I wanted. So, my theory is that if you have room and need a little more traction in the rear, put in one those big honking, heavy truck batteries. When you turn the key, you will almost feel the car jump;-) Mark L In a message dated 2/14/2013 4:48:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tiger-65@sbcglobal.net writes: How about the CCA for your battery? I got 1,000 cca from O'Reiley....Since it's located in the trunk, you need all the power you can get! --- On Thu, 2/14/13, Ron Fraser wrote: From: Ron Fraser Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing To: "'Tiger Man'" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, February 14, 2013, 1:27 PM Steve I have an Interstate MT-34 battery in my Tiger. Seems to me there was also an optional battery listed that was a little longer. You would have to look to see if that optional battery is still available. MT-34 case is 6 3/4"W x 10 1/4"L x 7"H Tiger battery plastic tray is 6 15/16"W x 11 3/16"L Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tiger Man Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:59 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Was looking to pick up a new battery for the tiger. Current battery that is in it is an Interstate 24-50. I thought I remember that group 24 was the original size, but I can't remember what reference I found that in. Poking around, it looks like group 24 is available, it isn't very common anymore except in marine batteries. Looking at the optima site, they pulled up a size 34 battery for the Sunbeam tiger. Since I'm not really worried about concourse, Is group 34 that what other people are running as a practical matter? Or is there another size that makes more sense? Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6103 - Release Date: 02/14/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tiger-65@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 15:23:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC49E40699 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:23:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f52.google.com (mail-qe0-f52.google.com [209.85.128.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523C64051A for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:20:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f52.google.com with SMTP id 6so1301550qeb.25 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:14:30 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=awl40HBzGKly+2kkC9ZXCPJBDjxXN4xi2eykoza6hwA=; b=RPGLd0TAkL6wOdZkvFEp+xwyR/2i9SpQ08Hd95hX0IB3Qg4bOBZaKDDwphTEa6zt98 gJDoAw3kA/t2Vr/OEQTOgCKhRa7AGs2xDxeNLa/RCzwL5M/kC7dM3bIWHURQKaQyyYjc DiA0Eu+3UGOKtxvaqR6rwUiOX701TMJsvpVEGL33Dv11jks/T6sG76mGK+d9oumqXSGw bl78gsB5S/J0BFf1RKcMjI+mHfplYHFcwCGkzO85IEccmSjImVihncCPQFmc5Xcw12gm v1q88X4yWLz9GjRgWofWekwmfSu+Id9zAKCRQkLelh/mwCNTJ+/SHlsDPb+AazvqYNzF omAw== dc10mr1268747qab.55.1360880069988; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:14:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.2.103 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:14:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:14:29 -0500 From: Tom Parker To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Battery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Steve, When I bought my Tiger in 1976 it had already had a hard life. The battery had tipped sometime in the past and there was a long hole where the boot floor once had been. Sp when I started the rebuild the first decision was how to prevent that ever happening again. The solution: an Optima Gel Cell battery. Mine's a size 34 red top; it's a bit more expensive than the lead-acid type, but it won't leak (probably, unless you puncture it.. but if that happens it's probably the least of your worries.) Tom '67 Mark 2 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 19:31:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B6B424B7 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:31:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDCB42466 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:31:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0S6G1l0011eYJf8A9SR7Pg; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 02:25:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.91] ([67.164.102.155]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0SR61l00Y3MALtP01SR7p3; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 02:25:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:25:06 -0800 From: Tom Hall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: Tiger Man References: s=q20121106; t=1360895107; bh=5xA5HcjMuzwIY7z+cgAbRxoPJXzCpRZXRzHFuPAMLXU=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=dfazGwHiZMf7evRYa6A4p6ifXKsQhn/oRmlZJsSkHlLRbQKPFlMnY3OnJbJCPuFJs gHO9lmB53mz4snkCBn82eOugXlv3o9qzYhWiGm9ZMRnZNmIIbo59z8iUSEdGd2f7eh xElQFkjRzOaU8YQY/g2z1qeXM6zHkS7v2hWwNoET7IRpX6cdORgsg2q3BczmQO/u77 NDhX6a7FahJS0AyIytLtzcGW8uDx9K/F0XoNUpBTm9LihCp4kqWN8WDf8uALyeWlEr tVXw2A97F3dvg1xanIoghp4/ZquAOXNITBWdMvIfOBViplWR+X0vDrsGExP1adSFeN s5WMQdjxgfvbQ== Cc: Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On 2/14/2013 12:59 PM, Tiger Man wrote: > Was looking to pick up a new battery for the tiger. Current battery that is > in it is an Interstate 24-50. I thought I remember that group 24 was the > original size, but I can't remember what reference I found that in. > > Poking around, it looks like group 24 is available, it isn't very common > anymore except in marine batteries. > > Looking at the optima site, they pulled up a size 34 battery for the Sunbeam > tiger. > > Since I'm not really worried about concourse, Is group 34 that what other > people are running as a practical matter? Or is there another size that makes > more sense? > > Thanks, > Steve > _ The OEM group size for the Tiger was 27. They can be difficult to find,but I have seen them at Sam's Club. For non-purest owners, a group 65 will fit in the OEM battery tray if you slice off some of the inside mounting lip (this battery was designed for Ford installations with the bottom holding clamps). It gives you the option of replacing the battery kick-up in the rear deck, with a full flat deck, allowing more user friendly packing for trips. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 19:44:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A4C424BF for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:44:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21B94248B for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:39:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EE0281C0000DE; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:33:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mlc001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.207]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8A542E000088; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:33:33 -0500 (EST) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:33:33 -0500 (EST) To: gswaybright@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1360895613; bh=zByBGIBpE6HnTgzhKn3ezuwrhsZeJytzp91sGXNbnsY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o038r3gQSaC583fQl+5cGDJYHMAqeQOrrYye+8wdnwxGok3Uho2f//KcR9ctlFHXP Lo0cMIMQ/0+go8C+2at7TvEpdikp5N227m+zRFYxKpraBWJhie2sVxww/+PMG9gaYY MsAokY6xn+QfVc+k7DxPfRtlUR8Ec5D8p83Q/LRk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b511d9e7d0a26 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The only observation I'd make is the rubber bushing design does not allow for any possible de-coupling of the torque arm under braking. As others have pointed out, there are a number of other variables at play here, including wheel rates f/r, dampers used, brake bias etc, that could either magnify or lessen the effect. The other thing I'm thinking about is the instant center and anti squat, in terms of off corner/on throttle affect. I believe the torque arm brings forces into play which I'd prefer to avoid, if possible. The one thing I do like is the ability to have good forward bite with softer rear spring rates and the lack of bind in roll. In a message dated 2/12/2013 5:31:40 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, gswaybright@yahoo.com writes: Ron, I think the main variable is the specific design of the torque arm (geometry, construction and mounting techniques). I assume the production GM F-body design has many compromises due to cost and packaging. I'd expect a well engineered aftermarket setup would avoid the performance related concerns on brake lockup unless it was designed primarily for straight line applications. With this in mind, I'd have little concern on how Dan's works, or my Griggs Racing setup. I will admit that I have yet to risk my Tiger by pushing hard enough to find the limits, especially since my Spec Miata is so much ea$ier to replace in a worst case scenario. Stephen ________________________________ From: Ron Fraser To: genepadgett@comcast.net; 'Bob H' Cc: 'Tigers' Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? It seems to me we might be missing some variables with the setup since there are variable results. Possibly different front or rear spring rates or maybe brake pads and type of tire. I'm going to throw in another idea. Anyone look at Air Ride technology for the Tiger? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:26 PM To: Bob H Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? Bob, Many thanks for sharing your rather sobering spinout experiences and the technical information. The latter is going to take me more than one read to understand everything, but I am getting the picture! I am thinking that the Tiger's short wheel base is not helping things in our particular application. I am inclined to enjoy twisty roads whenever found (and hopefully more autocrossing in the future). A potential unpleasant surprise under heavy emergency braking in a sharp corner is not something I want to risk. If I was just drag racing, or doing stop light burnouts, that would be a much different situation. Fellow Listers, I, for one, am still looking forward to hearing any experiences with the Caltrac system. It appears to only control axle rotation in the acceleration mode and the axle is otherwise unrestrained in braking. Seems like a good application for the Tiger, in theory at least. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob H" To: "Tigers" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:31:30 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram? For the more technically oriented in this group: http://www.unbalancedengineering.com/Product_Development/Development%20of%20 the%20Unbalanced%20Engineering%20Decoupled%20Torque%20Arm.pdf _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: 02/12/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 21:45:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0246D40427 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:45:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C614040B for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:41:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130215043503.GUIG17456.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:35:03 -0500 Received: from JHP ([72.205.39.75]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id 0UaX1l00a1dHVuG01UaZz1; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:34:33 -0500 a=0Nm72dJp9Kgw8EhUP4ZIJg==:17 a=SFBqbvPfA2YA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=XsXO9U8N6icA:10 a=7S6IxfnaAAAA:8 a=I9xutHljAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Su72OeyPpSdBgJOLvisA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=vJMO0LDXAMMA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=2CHwUoLbZmgA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=0Nm72dJp9Kgw8EhUP4ZIJg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "James Lindner" To: "Tom Hall" , "Tiger Man" References: <511D9C82.5070304@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:34:27 -0500 Cc: Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tiger Man I know you said you were not interested in originality, but in case you have a change of heart, or if others do seek an original looking battery, please see Antique Auto Battery, a company out of Ohio. I have pasted the link to their site. http://antiqueautobattery.com/batteries.html These guys will build to order a maintenance-free, correct Lucas Group 27 battery...all modern maintenance-free workings on the inside, terminals and faux-caps correctly located and black Lucas logo case on the outside. It is listed on their site under Sunbeam Alpine with further description under the maintenance free section. The G27 battery is a bit too large for the Tiger battery tray but the G24 will fit...but less cranking power. Downsideb¬ cheap at $265+ shipping. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Tom Hall Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:25 PM To: Tiger Man Cc: Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing On 2/14/2013 12:59 PM, Tiger Man wrote: > Was looking to pick up a new battery for the tiger. Current battery that > is > in it is an Interstate 24-50. I thought I remember that group 24 was the > original size, but I can't remember what reference I found that in. > > Poking around, it looks like group 24 is available, it isn't very common > anymore except in marine batteries. > > Looking at the optima site, they pulled up a size 34 battery for the > Sunbeam > tiger. > > Since I'm not really worried about concourse, Is group 34 that what other > people are running as a practical matter? Or is there another size that > makes > more sense? > > Thanks, > Steve > _ The OEM group size for the Tiger was 27. They can be difficult to find,but I have seen them at Sam's Club. For non-purest owners, a group 65 will fit in the OEM battery tray if you slice off some of the inside mounting lip (this battery was designed for Ford installations with the bottom holding clamps). It gives you the option of replacing the battery kick-up in the rear deck, with a full flat deck, allowing more user friendly packing for trips. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 05:18:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF4C40424 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 05:18:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F51340424 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 05:18:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo209 ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130215121242.HXHH23841.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo209> for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:12:42 -0500 Received: from awtigerPC ([68.229.231.4]) by eastrmimpo209 with cox id 0cCh1l00M06M2ss01cCi7f; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:12:42 -0500 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:17 a=SFBqbvPfA2YA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=XsXO9U8N6icA:10 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=E1Y5mDUMTZLMSOtlRtEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "awtiger" To: "Tiger Man" , References: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 06:12:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wasn't the original-sized battery for a Tiger a Group 27? Admittedly, I don't know if they still make that size, but if originality is your goal, I believe that there is a Lucas Group 27 reproduction battery available on the market. They are made along the same lines as the Autolite Group 24F battery that I used to run in my '65 Shelby; original-looking reproduction case with fresh innards. I never really had any trouble with the Autolite unit in my Shelby; it worked just like a new battery and lasted about as long, too. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiger Man" To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:59 PM Subject: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing > Was looking to pick up a new battery for the tiger. Current battery that > is > in it is an Interstate 24-50. I thought I remember that group 24 was the > original size, but I can't remember what reference I found that in. > > Poking around, it looks like group 24 is available, it isn't very common > anymore except in marine batteries. > > Looking at the optima site, they pulled up a size 34 battery for the > Sunbeam > tiger. > > Since I'm not really worried about concourse, Is group 34 that what other > people are running as a practical matter? Or is there another size that > makes > more sense? > > Thanks, > Steve > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 06:01:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27C340568 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 06:01:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA8140427 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 06:01:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.104] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2013 12:55:22 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.66] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2013 12:55:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2013 12:55:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 25088 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2013 12:55:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1360932922; bh=EeRN9uZ3maBBTM+mPtD4d/XZPTKbYKndpIdxJYVmjt0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tUSWsCOHdzTgvRCvkZe0vYNvt7Brz/Lz5zV5nV1HecpYc2pbe+wB28c5XEMTQNEjls7ZvkgUN7hOfWT8YNmlcfboScTr92vaCT1yrBj5G8nUFWJmMXbE+VmuSsblua99yd1v/2QGO7DY7nr9ddgbOtPSCzPq0ho4LhpzrX4hZnw= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GJNf8FrLgCDZNS5dnbZFZT7AnTHCq0gMZnBP9gSr3gsjpWEgQP+EywdyYKSkPXASkszJbae2do6k7bh5VqZQs1Qe2llTAz3MLgYXPS4Bk4ReYD862qyasVlHsyfKLjH5qt0W/KNWx56WJ7rJFY5cMjlsPN8idmtb39IHq3TWet8=; PHofzklvbewv3rg_DqDzSdn59JoyErlIp3ImUrCC6BnXN_a1r8b8_dCNcOCN i18cOPOfxvk8uHU2BiuhNXghttI6XWlgVEEDxhjyonNREUTmFDhWS.qzFNis WHQSXmb8xEjmkHl3QbpNgx.UkAUeUpWe36ooKvWix5Cfz2fywpUizuPPcV8L reRhruUysYU5M4cwsF6z18ozMHQ8sUpWSIM0j9ho6_ju.SwoesK30DR.aBn. 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It is all they say it is. Paul Paul R Sheahan --- On Thu, 2/14/13, James Lindner wrote: From: James Lindner Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing To: "Tom Hall" , "Tiger Man" Cc: "Tiger e-mail List" Date: Thursday, February 14, 2013, 11:34 PM Tiger Man I know you said you were not interested in originality, but in case you have a change of heart, or if others do seek an original looking battery, please see Antique Auto Battery, a company out of Ohio. I have pasted the link to their site. http://antiqueautobattery.com/batteries.html These guys will build to order a maintenance-free, correct Lucas Group 27 battery...all modern maintenance-free workings on the inside, terminals and faux-caps correctly located and black Lucas logo case on the outside. It is listed on their site under Sunbeam Alpine with further description under the maintenance free section. The G27 battery is a bit too large for the Tiger battery tray but the G24 will fit...but less cranking power. Downsideb¬ cheap at $265+ shipping. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Tom Hall Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:25 PM To: Tiger Man Cc: Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing On 2/14/2013 12:59 PM, Tiger Man wrote: > Was looking to pick up a new battery for the tiger. Current battery that is > in it is an Interstate 24-50. I thought I remember that group 24 was the > original size, but I can't remember what reference I found that in. > > Poking around, it looks like group 24 is available, it isn't very common > anymore except in marine batteries. > > Looking at the optima site, they pulled up a size 34 battery for the Sunbeam > tiger. > > Since I'm not really worried about concourse, Is group 34 that what other > people are running as a practical matter? Or is there another size that makes > more sense? > > Thanks, > Steve > _ The OEM group size for the Tiger was 27. They can be difficult to find,but I have seen them at Sam's Club. For non-purest owners, a group 65 will fit in the OEM battery tray if you slice off some of the inside mounting lip (this battery was designed for Ford installations with the bottom holding clamps). It gives you the option of replacing the battery kick-up in the rear deck, with a full flat deck, allowing more user friendly packing for trips. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sunbeamtiger@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 07:22:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CBE4051D for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:22:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s5.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s5.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD9A40427 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:22:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY002-W201 ([65.54.190.188]) by bay0-omc3-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 15 Feb 2013 06:15:57 -0800 From: Karl Adey To: The LIST Post Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:15:57 -0500 FILETIME=[F9560350:01CE0B86] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Train Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I found my receipt and it seems that I bought and installed a standard oil pump. Guess my memory can't be trusted; but at least I dodged that one. Does the LIST allow for the posting of pictures?Karl _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 09:33:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A623B40445 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:33:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB4E403E0 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:31:17 -0700 (MST) c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1360945509; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=UQzI+zeKJ36eYSicu4L7RrAvDb0=; b=H7XlR+A57LcJNnY5OdhaqVF4mVTzS2P2lxExWqVY/9FQWX1N70QJJc8gorwRaWGs xm4oj6XjTPlAtX7b5VEr3tHbHVE81VeCLZBUcZHyNvk3Lyv/omDQBdm4qEcdnobJ; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=spNdU7hVSxxSTa/SUdnwBQ==:17 a=SFBqbvPfA2YA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=XsXO9U8N6icA:10 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=7S6IxfnaAAAA:8 a=I9xutHljAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=WmWuV5ZSbx_X9L0IOfUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=vJMO0LDXAMMA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=2CHwUoLbZmgA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=iCWYiuKgY7a0thno:21 a=WXpGY0_K0Jb-gPt3:21 a=spNdU7hVSxxSTa/SUdnwBQ==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp04.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=wseay@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.48.134.95] ([71.48.134.95:20056] helo=xpseay) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPA id 02/40-26128-4616E115; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:25:08 -0500 From: "Will Seay" To: "'James Lindner'" , "'Tom Hall'" , "'Tiger Man'" References: <511D9C82.5070304@comcast.net> <933BEB9312104986A440D2ABC2BB1C97@JHP> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:25:06 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4LNoW5p4EbNDeJTCaBSQ/2pr86FgAYYqtw Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'Tiger e-mail List' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If you're a stickler for originality, don't forget that the original battery was vented. Each of the six filler caps on the original battery had a nipple that connected to a vent tube. The vent tube ran through a hole in the bottom of the trunk. You can reproduce the vent tube fairly easily because it's just a rubber tube with six holes in it and a plug in one end. The tough part is the filler caps with the nipples. Will Seay -382001570 wseay@embarqmail.com -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Lindner Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:34 PM To: Tom Hall; Tiger Man Cc: Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Tiger Man I know you said you were not interested in originality, but in case you have a change of heart, or if others do seek an original looking battery, please see Antique Auto Battery, a company out of Ohio. I have pasted the link to their site. http://antiqueautobattery.com/batteries.html These guys will build to order a maintenance-free, correct Lucas Group 27 battery...all modern maintenance-free workings on the inside, terminals and faux-caps correctly located and black Lucas logo case on the outside. It is listed on their site under Sunbeam Alpine with further description under the maintenance free section. The G27 battery is a bit too large for the Tiger battery tray but the G24 will fit...but less cranking power. Downsideb¬ cheap at $265+ shipping. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Tom Hall Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:25 PM To: Tiger Man Cc: Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing On 2/14/2013 12:59 PM, Tiger Man wrote: > Was looking to pick up a new battery for the tiger. Current battery > that is in it is an Interstate 24-50. I thought I remember that group > 24 was the original size, but I can't remember what reference I found > that in. > > Poking around, it looks like group 24 is available, it isn't very > common anymore except in marine batteries. > > Looking at the optima site, they pulled up a size 34 battery for the > Sunbeam tiger. > > Since I'm not really worried about concourse, Is group 34 that what > other people are running as a practical matter? Or is there another > size that makes more sense? > > Thanks, > Steve > _ The OEM group size for the Tiger was 27. They can be difficult to find,but I have seen them at Sam's Club. For non-purest owners, a group 65 will fit in the OEM battery tray if you slice off some of the inside mounting lip (this battery was designed for Ford installations with the bottom holding clamps). It gives you the option of replacing the battery kick-up in the rear deck, with a full flat deck, allowing more user friendly packing for trips. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wseay@embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 09:34:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE7340568 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:34:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3BF40338 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:34:47 -0700 (MST) c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1360945719; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=8/xGhaKW6vloBsrxPTB3ym3jwss=; b=RXoPZbN1RQgvLHdvgI+fRZQcILJ88K2RM+ICwJDEGi68BX5KnzDRPQuj8pW4+8qP OGjSqxup2Eh9H4cf8CJn3yMYWJLSrFWV+4RSRgOrPxf5KtG6jkHjagtW4wO61oVC; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=spNdU7hVSxxSTa/SUdnwBQ==:17 a=SFBqbvPfA2YA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=XsXO9U8N6icA:10 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=7S6IxfnaAAAA:8 a=I9xutHljAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=WmWuV5ZSbx_X9L0IOfUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=vJMO0LDXAMMA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=2CHwUoLbZmgA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=iCWYiuKgY7a0thno:21 a=WXpGY0_K0Jb-gPt3:21 a=spNdU7hVSxxSTa/SUdnwBQ==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=wseay@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.48.134.95] ([71.48.134.95:20057] helo=xpseay) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPA id 79/25-17575-6326E115; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:28:39 -0500 From: "Will Seay" To: "'Tiger e-mail List'" References: <511D9C82.5070304@comcast.net> <933BEB9312104986A440D2ABC2BB1C97@JHP> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:28:37 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4LNoW5p4EbNDeJTCaBSQ/2pr86FgAYr41Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If you're a stickler for originality, don't forget that the original battery was vented. Each of the six filler caps on the original battery had a nipple that connected to a vent tube. The vent tube ran through a hole in the bottom of the trunk. You can reproduce the vent tube fairly easily because it's just a rubber tube with six holes in it and a plug in one end. The tough part is the filler caps with the nipples. Will Seay -382001570 wseay@embarqmail.com -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Lindner Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:34 PM To: Tom Hall; Tiger Man Cc: Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Tiger Man I know you said you were not interested in originality, but in case you have a change of heart, or if others do seek an original looking battery, please see Antique Auto Battery, a company out of Ohio. I have pasted the link to their site. http://antiqueautobattery.com/batteries.html These guys will build to order a maintenance-free, correct Lucas Group 27 battery...all modern maintenance-free workings on the inside, terminals and faux-caps correctly located and black Lucas logo case on the outside. It is listed on their site under Sunbeam Alpine with further description under the maintenance free section. The G27 battery is a bit too large for the Tiger battery tray but the G24 will fit...but less cranking power. Downsideb¬ cheap at $265+ shipping. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Tom Hall Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:25 PM To: Tiger Man Cc: Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing On 2/14/2013 12:59 PM, Tiger Man wrote: > Was looking to pick up a new battery for the tiger. Current battery > that is in it is an Interstate 24-50. I thought I remember that group > 24 was the original size, but I can't remember what reference I found > that in. > > Poking around, it looks like group 24 is available, it isn't very > common anymore except in marine batteries. > > Looking at the optima site, they pulled up a size 34 battery for the > Sunbeam tiger. > > Since I'm not really worried about concourse, Is group 34 that what > other people are running as a practical matter? Or is there another > size that makes more sense? > > Thanks, > Steve > _ The OEM group size for the Tiger was 27. They can be difficult to find,but I have seen them at Sam's Club. For non-purest owners, a group 65 will fit in the OEM battery tray if you slice off some of the inside mounting lip (this battery was designed for Ford installations with the bottom holding clamps). It gives you the option of replacing the battery kick-up in the rear deck, with a full flat deck, allowing more user friendly packing for trips. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wseay@embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 10:05:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF9640445 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:05:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D609403E6 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:04:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r1FGwmaO021160; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:58:48 -0800 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id sj1-dm103.510c2991.22e6be; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:58:41 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.149.104]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:58:35 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Tiger Man'" , Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:58:22 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4K9izKcOIxcmJrQJWOBXb4rEHiSwAAgHcgACk0BtA= engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-15_07:2013-02-15,2013-02-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1302150116 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It did not make sense to me that the original Group 27 battery was larger than the battery tray so I measured the tray again to check. I was a little off. Battery tray - 6 7/8" x 12 3/16" That's a better fit for the Group 27 battery. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 4:27 PM To: 'Tiger Man'; 'tigers@autox.team.net' Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Steve I have an Interstate MT-34 battery in my Tiger. Seems to me there was also an optional battery listed that was a little longer. You would have to look to see if that optional battery is still available. MT-34 case is 6 3/4"W x 10 1/4"L x 7"H Tiger battery plastic tray is 6 15/16"W x 11 3/16"L Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tiger Man Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:59 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Was looking to pick up a new battery for the tiger. Current battery that is in it is an Interstate 24-50. I thought I remember that group 24 was the original size, but I can't remember what reference I found that in. Poking around, it looks like group 24 is available, it isn't very common anymore except in marine batteries. Looking at the optima site, they pulled up a size 34 battery for the Sunbeam tiger. Since I'm not really worried about concourse, Is group 34 that what other people are running as a practical matter? Or is there another size that makes more sense? Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6103 - Release Date: 02/14/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 10:57:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980D340424 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:57:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40FD403E6 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:57:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130215175113.JQT17456.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:51:13 -0500 Received: from JHP ([72.205.39.75]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id 0hrC1l00N1dHVuG01hrDeA; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:51:13 -0500 a=0Nm72dJp9Kgw8EhUP4ZIJg==:17 a=SFBqbvPfA2YA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=XsXO9U8N6icA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=UnzTgHv9AAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=d5oyQ-g92puY1iiLfocA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=a0o1xVR2z_QA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=0Nm72dJp9Kgw8EhUP4ZIJg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "James Lindner" To: , "'Tiger Man'" , References: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:51:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ron Thanks for the clarification. I had just ordered a G27 battery when you posted your first measurements. Since my car is not readily available for me to check myself, I was in a bit of a panic. Between your updated measurements and some info from Paul, I am now eagerly awaiting the arrival of my new battery. Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:58 AM To: 'Tiger Man' ; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing It did not make sense to me that the original Group 27 battery was larger than the battery tray so I measured the tray again to check. I was a little off. Battery tray - 6 7/8" x 12 3/16" That's a better fit for the Group 27 battery. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 4:27 PM To: 'Tiger Man'; 'tigers@autox.team.net' Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Steve I have an Interstate MT-34 battery in my Tiger. Seems to me there was also an optional battery listed that was a little longer. You would have to look to see if that optional battery is still available. MT-34 case is 6 3/4"W x 10 1/4"L x 7"H Tiger battery plastic tray is 6 15/16"W x 11 3/16"L Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tiger Man Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:59 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Was looking to pick up a new battery for the tiger. Current battery that is in it is an Interstate 24-50. I thought I remember that group 24 was the original size, but I can't remember what reference I found that in. Poking around, it looks like group 24 is available, it isn't very common anymore except in marine batteries. Looking at the optima site, they pulled up a size 34 battery for the Sunbeam tiger. Since I'm not really worried about concourse, Is group 34 that what other people are running as a practical matter? Or is there another size that makes more sense? Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6103 - Release Date: 02/14/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 11:22:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3274043E for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:22:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79463403F1 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:22:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8AB2D1C000085 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqa002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqa002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.211.197]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 44335E000086 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:16:18 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:16:17 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1360952178; bh=ITekGxx3d4E9GJwNLSWRGQg5UL4vbtNVLDOlzTgKvA0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JM/jjqqZ+BLtVz2E6yANsKDjNzyNKWaUml1VTo291Ct6WkjB5EJL6KoJX+W9I8UbW E7CZDk+AdbLI05iADxyorx0WrSVDjTAhNTevJGcmu4gTmdTX1P5B9BgEKAei30QKkb qgHWBygeB9jjtI70RkIIgHLXqaNettACWPT2BXnQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2948511e7b723a7a Subject: [Tigers] Servo By-pass Unions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, Late last fall, I got my 7" servo rebuilt and re-installed. Interesting difference! Manual brakes for 30 years. Just a note on making a spare by-pass pipe in case the darned thing packs up again. Had one union that Tiger Tom gave me at a United in 1982 (2) in Hudson Valley when it packed up in a mojor cloud of smoke( the first time it packed up). Recently I looked for a while for a second union to make a pipe loop (to avoid making another pipe bend in case of 'dreaded servo pack-up'. Found correct part for about $3.00 at AutoZone AGS Union # BLU-7C 3/16" (3/8-24) Bubble flare Nice to find the right thing locally at the right price. Hope this helps. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 11:53:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A7D40444 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:53:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC59403F1 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:49:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY002-W202 ([65.54.190.189]) by bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:43:26 -0800 From: Karl Adey To: The LIST Post Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:43:26 -0500 FILETIME=[5711D530:01CE0BAC] Subject: [Tigers] Quick Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If anyone is inclined to go above and beyond, I would like it if someone could go to my "photobucket" page, look at the album "Bent" and tell me if the items pictured are supposed to be bent or not. There are ~5 pictures of the vent box air 'deflector' and a picture of the hood latch release actuator.Just got to "www.photobucket.com" and use my user name "sunbeamkarl" to view my publicly shared album "bent"Thanks,Karl _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 12:37:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FAC7403F1 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:37:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5FF403E0 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:33:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MIA00D4C0PZKNQ0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:27:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:26:35 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The Group 27 battery was likely a non-disclosed "traction aid" for the Tiger. For what its worth I ran a group 24 and even for a time I think a group 22 battery, trunk mounted, in my 260, 1964 Falcon during in my teen years. My stepfather sold electrical distribution equipment. I don't recall the exact gauge, but I used aluminum wire he provided. So, between the Group 22 battery, aluminum wire and the trunk to starter distance I didn't have a whole lot going for me. Regardless, it never seemed to be an issue. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Tiger Man'" ; Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing > It did not make sense to me that the original Group 27 battery was > larger than the battery tray so I measured the tray again to check. I was > a > little off. > > Battery tray - 6 7/8" x 12 3/16" That's a better fit for the Group 27 > battery. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 4:27 PM > To: 'Tiger Man'; 'tigers@autox.team.net' > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing > > > Steve > I have an Interstate MT-34 battery in my Tiger. > > Seems to me there was also an optional battery listed that was a little > longer. You would have to look to see if that optional battery is still > available. > > MT-34 case is 6 3/4"W x 10 1/4"L x 7"H > Tiger battery plastic tray is 6 15/16"W x 11 3/16"L > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Tiger Man > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:59 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing > > > Was looking to pick up a new battery for the tiger. Current battery that > is > in it is an Interstate 24-50. I thought I remember that group 24 was the > original size, but I can't remember what reference I found that in. > > Poking around, it looks like group 24 is available, it isn't very common > anymore except in marine batteries. > > Looking at the optima site, they pulled up a size 34 battery for the > Sunbeam > tiger. > > Since I'm not really worried about concourse, Is group 34 that what other > people are running as a practical matter? Or is there another size that > makes more sense? > > Thanks, > Steve > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 13:08:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85686403F1 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:08:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FACA403E0 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:02:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo209 ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130215195627.KSMA7113.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo209> for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:56:27 -0500 Received: from eastrmwml106 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo209 with cox id 0jwT1l00G4h0NJL01jwT96; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:56:27 -0500 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:17 a=a_6VW1TIKtcA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=UyHOC7Gu_PIA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=4DFEl5zxHE8A:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=V6HSPwdbkkDZ5QxdVfUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 204.61.12.74 by webmail.east.cox.net; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:56:27 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:56:27 -0500 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, Rollright@aol.com Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] Servo By-pass Unions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fellow Tiger-ers: This thread brings up a question that I have had for a long time regarding the bypassing of a faulty vacuum brake booster unit. As for myself, I like things to at least look stock under the hood and, as such, would prefer not having to install a bypass line and remove the brake booster if the unit went bad. This leads me to my question...would it be possible to, for lack of a better term, "gut" the inside of the hydraulic part of the brake booster cylinder and seal it to where the brake fluid would stay in the cylinder itself, and simply allow the brake fluid to flow through the hydraulic part of the cylinder via the brake lines as per normal? Would doing this reduce the braking force or otherwise just flat not work altogether? Obviously, I've never examined one of these cylinders in its torn-down state and, therefore, don't know for sure as to whether this would be a viable trick to attempt. Any thoughts on this??? Has anyone out there ever tried this?? Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ---- Rollright@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > Late last fall, I got my 7" servo rebuilt and re-installed. Interesting > difference! Manual brakes for 30 years. > > Just a note on making a spare by-pass pipe in case the darned thing packs > up again. > > Had one union that Tiger Tom gave me at a United in 1982 (2) in Hudson > Valley when it packed up in a mojor cloud of smoke( the first time it packed > up). > Recently I looked for a while for a second union to make a pipe loop (to > avoid making another pipe bend in case of 'dreaded servo pack-up'. > > Found correct part for about $3.00 at AutoZone > AGS Union # BLU-7C > 3/16" (3/8-24) Bubble flare > > Nice to find the right thing locally at the right price. > Hope this helps. > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 15:01:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF454043F for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:01:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897F4403EB for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:01:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r1FLsnOt002374; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:55:06 -0800 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40188c72) id dm0224.510c2954.225801; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:54:59 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Will Seay'" , "'James Lindner'" , "'Tom Hall'" , "'Tiger Man'" Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:54:46 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4LNoW5p4EbNDeJTCaBSQ/2pr86FgAYYqtwAAuRYiA= engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-15_09:2013-02-15,2013-02-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1302150189 Cc: 'Tiger e-mail List' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Will That is a good point for originality. Does anyone have a good close up picture of the original vent tube and the original battery caps? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Will Seay Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:25 AM To: 'James Lindner'; 'Tom Hall'; 'Tiger Man' Cc: 'Tiger e-mail List' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing If you're a stickler for originality, don't forget that the original battery was vented. Each of the six filler caps on the original battery had a nipple that connected to a vent tube. The vent tube ran through a hole in the bottom of the trunk. You can reproduce the vent tube fairly easily because it's just a rubber tube with six holes in it and a plug in one end. The tough part is the filler caps with the nipples. Will Seay -382001570 wseay@embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 15:30:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF91C403D7 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:30:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from out02.mta.xmission.com (out02.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98017403B9 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:30:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx01.mta.xmission.com ([166.70.13.211]) by out02.mta.xmission.com with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U6Thl-0005S1-2T; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:24:29 -0700 Received: from mta1.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.65]) by mx01.mta.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U6Thk-0006bd-Qs; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:24:28 -0700 Received: from mta1.zcs.xmission.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta1.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02A31C4027; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:24:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from LynnPC (c-76-23-31-210.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [76.23.31.210]) by mta1.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 576CB1C40B7; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:24:28 -0700 (MST) From: "Lynn" To: , "'Will Seay'" , "'James Lindner'" , "'Tom Hall'" , "'Tiger Man'" References: <000001ce0b99$04fd8b30$0ef8a190$@com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:24:25 -0700 Thread-Index: AQIAi64Epkb7ZJH/zqJKiUR6V5ddEZgWfHVQ Content-Language: en-us to false Cc: 'Tiger e-mail List' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have an original vent tube. It basically looks like drip tube (used in a garden) but softer and more pliable. It has probably 1/8 holes spread just far enough to connect to the vent caps Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:55 PM To: 'Will Seay'; 'James Lindner'; 'Tom Hall'; 'Tiger Man' Cc: 'Tiger e-mail List' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Will That is a good point for originality. Does anyone have a good close up picture of the original vent tube and the original battery caps? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Will Seay Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:25 AM To: 'James Lindner'; 'Tom Hall'; 'Tiger Man' Cc: 'Tiger e-mail List' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing If you're a stickler for originality, don't forget that the original battery was vented. Each of the six filler caps on the original battery had a nipple that connected to a vent tube. The vent tube ran through a hole in the bottom of the trunk. You can reproduce the vent tube fairly easily because it's just a rubber tube with six holes in it and a plug in one end. The tough part is the filler caps with the nipples. Will Seay -382001570 wseay@embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 17:06:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C8A4053E for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:06:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB1B40323 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:06:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0mpL1l0041ei1Bg54o05QD; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 00:00:05 +0000 Received: from sz0112.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0o051l00b2ymm843ko05fN; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 00:00:05 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 00:00:05 +0000 (UTC) From: George Re To: Tigers s=q20121106; t=1360972805; bh=KVCQXepxhuQiVZOBinMSuGdc5Gf7uEltAN1vfL3biy8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=lfYMPTBT3IXDJpglMn9dIOtnt5w2X9ewr2yyIoyBeqdrDOur58bv4Hti8sXbcXOJP iZOdQjEAsq+Rz4qG73rWQdEbPC3KmK76hQMou/oos73Pd0LuqKu6i2WXauLo4Ozpcr hLRoc4QKzGG9PByPAebt065jLoCiRO3E38SiUc1Gxe0LoIKkYKupD2zoMRIzKwfWPl 43zrs9vc/DHJwDcPbPMw5oKNiIjGyJBLS7V1YoOFpoIINLZH5bHRtYtDIZ3gwvnSp+ HXSwxK8dXIcSNMc9/gOZ3Ipq3Mv5w+ygU2UY2hIQqJxBjZHXO+AVcg+6cxqyPVOusP fyMTdVEu80GyQ== Subject: [Tigers] Front License bracket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi I know my chance of finding a front License bracket is slim but I am going to ask if anyone has one for sale please let me know. Thanks George Re 1965 B9471955 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 17:17:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3554043F for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:17:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFA540337 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:14:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY145-DS20 ([65.54.190.60]) by bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:08:41 -0800 From: "Tiger Man" To: References: <511D9C82.5070304@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:08:38 -0700 FILETIME=[C6E0C0B0:01CE0BD9] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct battery sizing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the responses and the help remembering what real original battery size was. So for a summary courtesy of Ron: Battery tray - 6 7/8" x 12 3/16" BCI Group sizes (LxWXH) specs Original: Group 27: 12 1/16 x 6 13/16 x 8 7/8 Optima recommendation(because they only have a few sizes available): Group 34: 10 13/16 x 6 13/16 x 7 7/8 What was in my car (seems to be what was a popular Ford battery from era): Group 24: 10 1/4 x 6 13/16 x 8 7/8 Alternate from Tom with his caveats below: Group 65: 12 1/16 x 7 1/2 x 7 9/16 Actual battery sizes I suppose probably vary, I just looked up what the spec if for each size mentioned. Thanks Steve On 2/14/2013 12:59 PM, Tiger Man wrote: Was looking to pick up a new battery for the tiger. Current battery that is in it is an Interstate 24-50. I thought I remember that group 24 was the original size, but I can't remember what reference I found that in. Poking around, it looks like group 24 is available, it isn't very common anymore except in marine batteries. Looking at the optima site, they pulled up a size 34 battery for the Sunbeam tiger. Since I'm not really worried about concourse, Is group 34 that what other people are running as a practical matter? Or is there another size that makes more sense? Thanks, Steve _ The OEM group size for the Tiger was 27. They can be difficult to find,but I have seen them at Sam's Club. For non-purest owners, a group 65 will fit in the OEM battery tray if you slice off some of the inside mounting lip (this battery was designed for Ford installations with the bottom holding clamps). It gives you the option of replacing the battery kick-up in the rear deck, with a full flat deck, allowing more user friendly packing for trips. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 18:47:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638E44042B for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:47:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ABDD403A6 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:42:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.107] ([66.37.94.192]) by p3plsmtpa07-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 0pcJ1l00C491ejE01pcKVE; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:36:20 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:36:22 -0500 From: Chris Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: George Re References: <143357708.1233170.1360972805384.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front License bracket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net There was somebody on the list who used to make a new batch of repro's every once in a while - I bought one about ten years ago from him... B382000331 On 2/15/2013 7:00 PM, George Re wrote: > Hi > I know my chance of finding a front License bracket is slim but I am going to ask if anyone has one for sale please let me know. > > Thanks > George Re > 1965 B9471955 > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 19:49:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F4540448 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:49:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A114403A6 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:43:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5D33C1C00006D; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dma003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dma003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.212.9]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 05C87E000085; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:37:40 -0500 (EST) References: <143357708.1233170.1360972805384.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> To: mgman71@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net From: Steve Halbrook Received: from 173.170.43.37 by webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.217) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:37:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:37:38 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1360982260; bh=TbPrcxsIhul/xqL9TLZyL+PPVZ4/eOGBM8bCBfqc0vY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DII4AkQHuzA/EpOpSuvQnUFGOvI0PaD/BRoEYp4ccG20oioT0HXWyaMc509Xjs3CC f88UBwaMdGeyM2QP+KVcGWTeXdaKrOXspsrepvDKo7pWX+sVOa2s0CvIrWFgSHokGR f8T0Efru3A5me/+mgPDotj1MCSSKqH40nmTHCE4g= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d511ef0f47450 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front License bracket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net George: ? If you don't find one contact me and I'll refer you to a fellow in South Carolina that makes a really nice reproduction. Steve Halbrook sjhcobra1@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: George Re <mgman71@comcast.net> To: Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net> Sent: Fri, Feb 15, 2013 7:00 pm Subject: [Tigers] Front License bracket Hi I know my chance of finding a front License bracket is slim but I am going to ask if anyone has one for sale please let me know. Thanks George Re 1965 B9471955 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sjhcobra1@cs.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 20:38:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FDF4043A for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:38:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1FD403A6; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:32:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 22:25:50 -0500 From: "rande" To: mgman71@comcast.net Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 22:25:50 -0500 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Front license plate brkt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The front license plate bracket is one of those things you may find on ebay,, and also think of looking for one on an Alpine site, as well. Ron Barrette, formerly of NH and IIRC now in the Carolinas made me a nice REAR bracket in stainless steel. He may still be doing those. Look for a used bracket assembly from a US or Canadian market car. The catalogue differentiates this, as opposed to home market. And if Alpine, Series 3 through Series V. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 21:06:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0484F403C7 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:06:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0781403A6 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:59:14 -0700 (MST) c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1360986783; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=qexCD91Sc+KaeSD/HrMbopes2WI=; b=mTqLxUSDvHg+myYO8h/r+iZ9GvfSdHkB814EzZVcpVWKjy9YmC/S6JFoxUuOhURb O69l6DzysdGgzMLX1EIvluH8+jBAR5gw2tMRIXULURDg3bEgoC2o/NJBwph1EKYF; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=spNdU7hVSxxSTa/SUdnwBQ==:17 a=DGIlmJnEygoA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=LUO91Nf1uZMA:10 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=vH2wQDzyWMet5xO_F-4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=spNdU7hVSxxSTa/SUdnwBQ==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=wseay@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.48.134.95] ([71.48.134.95:20719] helo=xpseay) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPA id 36/07-10159-E920F115; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 22:53:03 -0500 From: "Will Seay" To: "'Steve Halbrook'" , , References: <143357708.1233170.1360972805384.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <8CFDA05B85B2B25-17D4-CFB8@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 22:53:00 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4L71TpkY9RhUe5QjWsm1WG15GmnwACDVRQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front License bracket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net George: This guy is listing a plate bracket repro on ebay at a buy-it-now price of $149.75 + free shipping: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sunbeam-Alpine-Tiger-others-License-Plate-Bracket-/28104 6128173?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item416fa7962d&vxp=mtr Looks pretty good. Don't know how this guy's price compares to that of Steve's friend. Will Seay 382001570 wseay@embarqmail.com -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Halbrook Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:38 PM To: mgman71@comcast.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front License bracket George: ? If you don't find one contact me and I'll refer you to a fellow in South Carolina that makes a really nice reproduction. Steve Halbrook sjhcobra1@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: George Re <mgman71@comcast.net> To: Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net> Sent: Fri, Feb 15, 2013 7:00 pm Subject: [Tigers] Front License bracket Hi I know my chance of finding a front License bracket is slim but I am going to ask if anyone has one for sale please let me know. Thanks George Re 1965 B9471955 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 08:31:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3B840421 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 08:31:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F991403D9 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 08:25:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E148C1C00009E for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 10:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqa003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.211.201]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 980A1E000082 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 10:19:18 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 10:19:18 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1361114358; bh=P9oEhnM7HVyIo7sQLRrUs8NAGSUkW8h8So8CL0DNVDo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tjVhkWjcsboeasNCKuou24K/p1t5Qv2dRczyxdXHC4uozWuhUFLlr6Eh0zMfH/vKC VfnM+1xKfrL/2F0YePNxIZvD9UK50ScBtMXmSYKr9BqfeU8xsNLiVMUj62oeEwnE44 On/KDf2cajiNjuoGs5LkNHp5CcFZM1Xahs30m7dE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29495120f4f62715 Subject: [Tigers] dry ice blasting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, When I bought my Tiger in 1976, I didn't realize how rusty it was under that brand new coat of paint. in 1979, the rocker bubbled and I tapped the area with my finger. Right through... So, all around the car fresh metal. Cost nearly as much as the car. Another complete paint job and rust removal after being hit in the rear in 2000 The trunk floor had been painted (when I bought the car) with a tarry substance to cover the surface rust there. Over the years, I've thought about haw to tackle the trunk and bring it up to the standard of the rest of the car. Recently, I committed to an attack. In the last month I tried chemicals (paint thinner, lacquer thinner, then acetone) and just made a mess. Then tried a stiff putty knife in a cold garage and got down to rust and original paint. But, this approach would take forever and leave the paint, rust and traces of the tarry stuff. I thought about media blasting but the resultant "stuff'" would be there for ages. And get painted in. This weekend I stumbled on a new (to me) system of blasting: Dry Ice blasting. This would make the now dried-out tarry stuff very brittle and take the trunk area down nicely. And no residual media (Black Beauty, glass beads, and the like) to worry about. Anybody done this? Any comments? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 09:22:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC50F40440 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 09:22:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5098403F5 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 09:22:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0A25D1C000079 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 11:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mob003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.201]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A42F0E00008A; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 11:16:08 -0500 (EST) From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com Full-name: FHSLOTH13 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 11:16:08 -0500 (EST) To: Rollright@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1361117768; bh=49SkYOnpR/77y/dmjPlITRAaWvV8NPlY46OT5gKKv+c=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fKu0dlv2+KEoGQgZZT2A+2KMCI/7/byUBsJkZ1HMUvQg7C+0GZc/OaVlgE5L86lyr 16ilg3O9swJEdreAdoeddlVBooCqtoyskygy+UTUMM9+xNEsd5rISimfNC/mvp31UW mrSxDLo8pabYzIOGgLVy94waNR/PJddsCsgCitXA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb5121024846fe Subject: Re: [Tigers] dry ice blasting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net When I worked in a margarine plant we used a frozen carbon dioxide system; a high pressure pump blasted the equipment to be cleaned. All the 35 years of paint came off without affecting the metal parts of the machines. It would, however, destroy any plastic parts or other materials such as insulation. Fred Baum 9470768 382002353 In a message dated 2/17/2013 10:25:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Rollright@aol.com writes: Hello, When I bought my Tiger in 1976, I didn't realize how rusty it was under that brand new coat of paint. in 1979, the rocker bubbled and I tapped the area with my finger. Right through... So, all around the car fresh metal. Cost nearly as much as the car. Another complete paint job and rust removal after being hit in the rear in 2000 The trunk floor had been painted (when I bought the car) with a tarry substance to cover the surface rust there. Over the years, I've thought about haw to tackle the trunk and bring it up to the standard of the rest of the car. Recently, I committed to an attack. In the last month I tried chemicals (paint thinner, lacquer thinner, then acetone) and just made a mess. Then tried a stiff putty knife in a cold garage and got down to rust and original paint. But, this approach would take forever and leave the paint, rust and traces of the tarry stuff. I thought about media blasting but the resultant "stuff'" would be there for ages. And get painted in. This weekend I stumbled on a new (to me) system of blasting: Dry Ice blasting. This would make the now dried-out tarry stuff very brittle and take the trunk area down nicely. And no residual media (Black Beauty, glass beads, and the like) to worry about. Anybody done this? Any comments? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 09:32:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AB64040B for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 09:32:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f173.google.com (mail-vc0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B96403FC for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 09:29:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id fy27so168951vcb.18 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 08:23:21 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Y8nwOv/zw55iYaH1OyGYisoY1qL5sWBtI+vxrBHXkO8=; b=c4S6L0cY4LW9VR1lt/dfPPWo+us8Wk+/O5Xge37/4GwKA0GSrMkNGV7E2hoS43QFfS kChRBqKwIpDmsfuQkKw+cmOHha9/n2qxVzLftufV0LUtEx+VrzITKrEaQX9BZW0VxgGA wQGs7bjuW7qbcufKNsulqVIlfdnTAxARZXZnRaL0R0HlNerWnB8sIb8+EIPiSEJwzFBj J2yNGHxc+H3v624SyVbIOCVmqObDJDbMYJvi1rRqQVBZ2Wt2V1nhYMMNimhvwT9OtzEL yECfubryIQuehrc2jD7SBLd5YYIjSkLMoqE9rTHF/zbBZmrcGpye31EeKcQlf5dpwGiS OVlA== y11mr10239435vdu.43.1361118201643; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 08:23:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.117.9 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 08:23:21 -0800 (PST) References: <1ce.6a9c2d40.3e525c48@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 09:23:21 -0700 From: Jody Kerr To: FHSLOTH13@aol.com Cc: Rollright@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dry ice blasting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I wonder how well that would work for stripping off thick undercoating? On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 9:16 AM, wrote: > When I worked in a margarine plant we used a frozen carbon dioxide system; > a high pressure pump blasted the equipment to be cleaned. All the 35 years > of paint came off without affecting the metal parts of the machines. It > would, however, destroy any plastic parts or other materials such as > insulation. > > Fred Baum > 9470768 > 382002353 > > > In a message dated 2/17/2013 10:25:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > Rollright@aol.com writes: > > Hello, > > When I bought my Tiger in 1976, I didn't realize how rusty it was under > that brand new coat of paint. > in 1979, the rocker bubbled and I tapped the area with my finger. Right > through... > So, all around the car fresh metal. Cost nearly as much as the car. > Another > complete paint job and rust removal after being hit in the rear in 2000 > > The trunk floor had been painted (when I bought the car) with a tarry > substance to cover the surface rust there. Over the years, I've thought > about > haw to tackle the trunk and bring it up to the standard of the rest of the > car. Recently, I committed to an attack. In the last month I tried > chemicals > (paint thinner, lacquer thinner, then acetone) and just made a mess. Then > tried a stiff putty knife in a cold garage and got down to rust and > original paint. But, this approach would take forever and leave the > paint, rust > and traces of the tarry stuff. I thought about media blasting but the > resultant "stuff'" would be there for ages. And get painted in. > > This weekend I stumbled on a new (to me) system of blasting: Dry Ice > blasting. This would make the now dried-out tarry stuff very brittle and > take > the trunk area down nicely. And no residual media (Black Beauty, glass > beads, > and the like) to worry about. > > Anybody done this? Any comments? > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jodyfkerr@gmail.com > > -- http://www.theymightberacing.com/ 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) 1981 Triumph TR8 1970 MG MGB 1980 Triumph TR7 "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." --Douglas Adams _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 11:21:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788E340567 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 11:21:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272994052E for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 11:21:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 170161C0000B1; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqa003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.211.201]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C8B4CE000086; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:15:23 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:15:23 -0500 (EST) To: jodyfkerr@gmail.com, FHSLOTH13@aol.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1361124924; bh=dyPLKWaWhpMIPdBEs++b7d6agMTtvcseP+vCJAxVttY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P+znjofXpR8MVxpPTUeWxmEQaUlsD4nPObvhfSK3lYTp2/MKkGWj/qcImZbMECNi3 GcSQR5ES4BiXiYeK/JVoLcE9Ep99EkM4he8b63LtaCCzl4VE32n+SXW5tH/YSbyCVC 3N+cch9GZEMvZGzNBM2FM5ZM8WHxHjwjtgxIzh5o= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e51211e3b5fb9 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dry ice blasting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, If it can get it cold enough, the 350 psi blast pressure and the CO2 pellets should make short work of it. They haul these rigs out to sites like where graffiti people "Tag" buildings. This is just one of their uses and work/money streams. So going to a car otherwise immobilized shouldn't be a problem. Jim Armstrong In a message dated 2/17/2013 11:23:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jodyfkerr@gmail.com writes: I wonder how well that would work for stripping off thick undercoating? On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 9:16 AM, wrote: > When I worked in a margarine plant we used a frozen carbon dioxide system; > a high pressure pump blasted the equipment to be cleaned. All the 35 years > of paint came off without affecting the metal parts of the machines. It > would, however, destroy any plastic parts or other materials such as > insulation. > > Fred Baum > 9470768 > 382002353 > > > In a message dated 2/17/2013 10:25:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > Rollright@aol.com writes: > > Hello, > > When I bought my Tiger in 1976, I didn't realize how rusty it was under > that brand new coat of paint. > in 1979, the rocker bubbled and I tapped the area with my finger. Right > through... > So, all around the car fresh metal. Cost nearly as much as the car. > Another > complete paint job and rust removal after being hit in the rear in 2000 > > The trunk floor had been painted (when I bought the car) with a tarry > substance to cover the surface rust there. Over the years, I've thought > about > haw to tackle the trunk and bring it up to the standard of the rest of the > car. Recently, I committed to an attack. In the last month I tried > chemicals > (paint thinner, lacquer thinner, then acetone) and just made a mess. Then > tried a stiff putty knife in a cold garage and got down to rust and > original paint. But, this approach would take forever and leave the > paint, rust > and traces of the tarry stuff. I thought about media blasting but the > resultant "stuff'" would be there for ages. And get painted in. > > This weekend I stumbled on a new (to me) system of blasting: Dry Ice > blasting. This would make the now dried-out tarry stuff very brittle and > take > the trunk area down nicely. And no residual media (Black Beauty, glass > beads, > and the like) to worry about. > > Anybody done this? Any comments? > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jodyfkerr@gmail.com > > -- http://www.theymightberacing.com/ 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) 1981 Triumph TR8 1970 MG MGB 1980 Triumph TR7 "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." --Douglas Adams _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 14:59:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0143D4056C for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:59:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D6E403E8 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id k14so6572113iea.13 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:52:41 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=osfQiX3JH1oy3G7lg6wFORPEPrpOPLriuwjVm+l1VX8=; b=T/OFhMNMFslHxFlnmTfjXmSuGoAwoHleft6zyq7hsryo7FYfp3AgY8fqTdVz48AI0R u6wfxso/7kau92yuuHpplrQZPWaFPB0A3syo/S7NS7qAGGthsLYBIiQd5lfnph4pQGfa 3pjT1Q0rbxJBB9Ut8IYB6w6jurRdI9rlE+iXraqkBcEKNvYIgeRaaiTCaXWObmOwmw5R FO/7Ny67iFbb4xCJj+c98FNY5VSpOynWxMzvhCaYqNa3aS14NzhPvqT1NPf7p0osjNDH ysusID1+Rg04bYOvDMtIqcQVwf7GFYVNBxoAcJO6yv1JLpJDTZJ0cJ3320tmR2ZoUSB+ sxjg== hn11mr5315273igb.107.1361137961386; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:52:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.230.70 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:52:41 -0800 (PST) References: <41c3.56325023.3e52783b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:52:41 +1100 From: michael king To: Rollright@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dry ice blasting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I read about dry ice blasting in a UK magazine a while back, the suspect it will become more and more popular due to environmental laws. Apparently the ice explodes just before it comes in contact with the surface , so its gentle abrasion not aggressive and is apparently safe on all sorts of delicate components. Its meant to be really good and there is not messy detail cleaning up after. On 18 February 2013 05:15, wrote: > Hello, > > If it can get it cold enough, the 350 psi blast pressure and the CO2 > pellets should make short work of it. > They haul these rigs out to sites like where graffiti people "Tag" > buildings. This is just one of their uses and work/money streams. So going > to a > car otherwise immobilized shouldn't be a problem. > > Jim Armstrong > > > In a message dated 2/17/2013 11:23:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jodyfkerr@gmail.com writes: > > I wonder how well that would work for stripping off thick undercoating? > > On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 9:16 AM, wrote: > > When I worked in a margarine plant we used a frozen carbon dioxide > system; > > a high pressure pump blasted the equipment to be cleaned. All the 35 > years > > of paint came off without affecting the metal parts of the machines. It > > would, however, destroy any plastic parts or other materials such as > > insulation. > > > > Fred Baum > > 9470768 > > 382002353 > > > > > > In a message dated 2/17/2013 10:25:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > Rollright@aol.com writes: > > > > Hello, > > > > When I bought my Tiger in 1976, I didn't realize how rusty it was under > > that brand new coat of paint. > > in 1979, the rocker bubbled and I tapped the area with my finger. Right > > through... > > So, all around the car fresh metal. Cost nearly as much as the car. > > Another > > complete paint job and rust removal after being hit in the rear in > 2000 > > > > The trunk floor had been painted (when I bought the car) with a tarry > > substance to cover the surface rust there. Over the years, I've thought > > about > > haw to tackle the trunk and bring it up to the standard of the rest of > the > > car. Recently, I committed to an attack. In the last month I tried > > chemicals > > (paint thinner, lacquer thinner, then acetone) and just made a mess. > Then > > tried a stiff putty knife in a cold garage and got down to rust and > > original paint. But, this approach would take forever and leave the > > paint, rust > > and traces of the tarry stuff. I thought about media blasting but the > > resultant "stuff'" would be there for ages. And get painted in. > > > > This weekend I stumbled on a new (to me) system of blasting: Dry Ice > > blasting. This would make the now dried-out tarry stuff very brittle > and > > take > > the trunk area down nicely. And no residual media (Black Beauty, glass > > beads, > > and the like) to worry about. > > > > Anybody done this? Any comments? > > > > Jim Armstrong > > Mk 1A > > 382002083 > > LRXFE > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13@aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jodyfkerr@gmail.com > > > > > > > > -- > http://www.theymightberacing.com/ > > 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) > 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) > 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) 1981 Triumph TR8 > 1970 MG MGB 1980 Triumph TR7 > "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn > from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent > disinclination to do so." > --Douglas Adams > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 16:10:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4314064C for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:10:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 814F94040D for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:06:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2013 23:00:25 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.234] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2013 23:00:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1043.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2013 23:00:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 81265 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2013 23:00:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1361142025; bh=Yda9A9+TALligem5GSZ+NhvFPvgyV2zSVtu1qjbJFlw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=51E5rEwr9cOwuSXpV+1xpjNO5JhAVe+0YFCDxazJm4NxImUgP46DM8zHsHRXaWar1dERHJ0D5Tip0TfgaRu4Sy20x25wGCEu5vjLUaTjOerxdmuMJGJWMP6SlAnQTWDGkrrix+TRifWJyqRnrve+ibaoCo/Dfe+ekd9uMsHE6nE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ydfs9cH7Lau/ASlY9pziwyPA3sF106PsankOqt6yxNs4HV6mQGGq5MQiE9AmKUFS6oxclRiJ+axD7Uo4tktEtycti2xWdj/59sQSS+xB32CpPClzbh9Cdxj5Y0t+x5rov9IgHNFpODWj1HsuIUOPO2+XUreMQqyfqGYKTgyM7qQ=; K9sPqmeqFAJHiowDssqO6ajtUVl7lFDsOlL3YhPWL.3ScReo8X.YBGCJA2My y_bEPeMGFFNnsa0tj6OPjcJurjBGVGbOmZASPyGra.lvnvigu6GXI78SL91_ axt5_n8UErsVRxHPd1mQlY5Hg6F4tY9_uIFZMn5yuX3K92fz3FUDITX1uDOX Cl78LwULFTOnkflsvFNZz0TVPBWqa0sWMzN0rfOCoQ9WpbnYWzm9IwUJhRZV .e2_iDRMWz0KiaM1e3HLcHqM1STe2sdxEkYJO_NUnyVx6C2iem7mwr5BG0VJ U6Ro_Zbcfn5Pry7R3LqJW8IjyXx_e5kFTE1OM8o7hpvPM98fkb32tNU_7EbF 2GnDk8AeQEAjxO5m4RU8TxU91mL1PPndOmuiMPqS8hJxJwY3LT6w5..rhgLG j5Ns_H_c0ycQ.xPH_dCTw.yM6CdRGpACdDzJanndN_8cAvFe7ANzxu6a6SX3 dkWTTdDJoQbULRejSdg-- Received: from [72.29.162.82] by web141102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 15:00:25 PST SSdkIGFwcHJlY2lhdGUgc3VnZ2VzdGlvbnMgZm9yIGRpc2Fzc2VtYmxpbmcgdGhlIGZpeGVkIHRyaWFuZ3VsYXIgd2luZG93cyBhdCB0aGUgZnJvbnQgb2YgZWFjaCBkb29yLiBJIGhhdmUgYW4gYXNzZW1ibHkgcmVtb3ZlZCBhbmQgZGlzYXNzZW1ibGVkIGV4Y2VwdCB0aGUgZ2xhc3MgaXMgc3RpbGwgaW4gaXRzIGZyYW1lLiBJdCBhcHBlYXJzIHRoYXQgZHVlIHRvIGFnZSwgdGhlIGdsYXNzIGFuZCBpdHMgc3Vycm91bmRpbmcgZ2Fza2V0IGRvIG5vdCB3YW50IHRvIHNlcGFyYXRlIGZyb20gdGhlIGNocm9tZSABMAEBAQE- References: <41c3.56325023.3e52783b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 15:00:25 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Packer To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Door Fixed Glass Extraction? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'd appreciate suggestions for disassembling the fixed triangular windows at the front of each door. I have an assembly removed and disassembled except the glass is still in its frame. It appears that due to age, the glass and its surrounding gasket do not want to separate from the chrome channels. I would like to reuse both the glass and window frame and hope someone has a suggestion for the best way to ease them apart without damage. Just letting some WD40 soak down the insides of the channels might be sufficient?? Thanks for any assistance. Terry Packer 9470018 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 18 16:13:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB06B4056A for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:13:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from wh-qmail05.webhero.com (wh-qmail05.webhero.com [209.217.42.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3299E40551 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:13:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 26307 invoked by uid 10000); 18 Feb 2013 23:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO HPLaptop) (70.174.51.228) by wh-qmail05.webhero.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2013 23:07:05 -0000 From: To: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:07:04 -0500 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac4OLKqKspGK+FkDS2OSBwFG6iycLA== Subject: [Tigers] Door Fixed Glass Extraction? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Here's how I extracted the glass from my frame. Just be CAREFUL so as not to damage the framework. After removing the bottom section, GENTLY pry the framework away from the glass by inserting a wedge ( used a screwdriver with the widest flat blade to fit comfortably into the channel) between the edge of the glass and the bottom part of the "U" channel. I inserted my wedge into the long section of framework and gently tap with a soft mallet. The framework will spread some when the glass edge is wedged out of the channel. When the glass starts to break loose either try to wiggle the glass out of the smaller channel or repeat the wedge process on the short side. You'll get to a point where the glass will start to wiggle. Gently keep wiggling to loosen the glass from the top channel. Use a lubricant in the channels as you go along - either petroleum based or a heavy dish soap solution. The problem I had was that one of the mini flat head screws sheared and I'll have to drill it out for a new screw. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 18 20:02:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC1540654 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:02:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f52.google.com (mail-qa0-f52.google.com [209.85.216.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F26240567 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:02:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id bs12so1613765qab.4 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:55:50 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=lNgU8HpIXg04mkBwNMrADus+KezMnrxW+ZSY4BSw5NI=; b=M5gOwrE4JO9RVlQaWzXVLBAn1Ia4c4mgkGUDVaBGt2QU59w7QlEd6UzeFTWNBX8eh5 58+dqy+xA5cIpmAmb3EMChXEfGaBazHOH2pgSbahOiNt4h3jysJLubaNSdh+V+5hTl1n SXfOMEvtqVdk+o6EUc4SoRKS3TATJsH3ihzVDuke/GIFV1tlCDChbsd7g/YyEafjy5Op QeO9y/lFcYcbs9ZwAnFFSKpddp2ctKaZT615WOMPtOUKu+H4mDaH4sVF4Nc4SEeFEYHJ 09kXwA8QSMv2Mhz1X1QrP5zII/bMskSOTo2a4X+qmR9nBHDnGTqRNj0JTUD5yk3Wb+Iv KTTQ== hh1mr6203440qab.43.1361242549942; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:55:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.129.69 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:55:49 -0800 (PST) References: <41c3.56325023.3e52783b@aol.com> <1361142025.64976.YahooMailNeo@web141102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 21:55:49 -0500 From: Jeffery Randall To: Terry Packer Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Door Fixed Glass Extraction? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Boiling water will do the job. Jeff On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Terry Packer wrote: > I'd appreciate suggestions for disassembling the fixed triangular windows > at the front of each door. I have an assembly removed and disassembled > except the glass is still in its frame. It appears that due to age, the > glass and its surrounding gasket do not want to separate from the chrome > channels. I would like to reuse both the glass and window frame and hope > someone has a suggestion for the best way to ease them apart without > damage. Just letting some WD40 soak down the insides of the channels might > be sufficient?? > > > Thanks for any assistance. > Terry Packer > 9470018 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 19 08:39:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A413640654 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:39:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 782F44041D for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:38:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2013 15:32:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.209] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2013 15:32:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2013 15:32:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 34903 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2013 15:32:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1361287949; bh=iipNBcqI5Y+rMJgaGPG0TYcKdQd0U3i1NGYLupUUiR4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cHsbS3VZcgTWqNyB6Bc276cw//GX4wpZZ1QzjCz/0SbR7wm3jxffUvVddu0m9eRVBZqSoTYSdjz1F/i9kVn6iRXfZ7O3l/MGIuY4+XJx2W0wEV1rqvZUF3+OZVEtSh6IkaUHoLuuD4feuq4d0MsgZuZ9toweyl91e67IqO31Iyc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cHwd4M0mMD49Q+xziF3qNzyMYoLltEJN+pRxZJ/DOxBibPIfPQTzKu2YfOy04bcZKqEeXEiKxL9+xOJJHJtvV8q7QB241fX6kLtpz+52Hf5d2Bi0UXgecaSYhVPtFzuI+T5SXvYjBoKPrkxEmlRUXWqB46iADA7McK1mZKmZB/w=; EvJF5eeBCmNe_rBGAutNbyvrItAxzAJfEpyz9ct58csDYa77qPosvfN26Rpx ZdryS7pf00uhPynK0CfGMGjf6rEqKPt1RGbAJHT8icGslV1X2bkzxYi2E8U6 iAkqwl6vmozLVsXqcHdxLj.roGDNBgMcvI1PITADKjkGxiO3Z5oQVsgMiwb0 Tq.Z1n67d3bcvjPfgXxpRX7ZctJvPQX.bZYfnV51G.6fztKZVRYVTB4IP6eO 1Dn6ZcFueo_dTPaNnd6mowgSlwZGkah1fDit55NsDPeGyoicW1cGbl5hSIM8 7oeMJiCuxMGTJ6U5IoX7NmS35ethzjrfNEUQp8_ImWyyNLDsJxj2wrB6V2mV H_ceuHNf0xlp.Bjt5LLH2plmpKUzQ045MJl1wcJxA0QLi3OMzBMh6Y6Cmg6y .46kGhCmK8pFMYu4fr29h_DFr3CxFYdM_WHtinsUnsb8TzbMGRp97GzbH8oF zrD8GQWAHkD_GwHyeFw-- Received: from [72.29.162.82] by web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 07:32:29 PST SW4gc2hvcHBpbmcgZm9yIGEgY2x1dGNoIHJlbGVhc2UgYmVhcmluZyBJJ3ZlIHNlZW4gd2hhdCBzaG91bGQgYmUgdG9wIHF1YWxpdHkgYnJhbmRzIGJvdGggd2l0aCBhbmQgd2l0aG91dCBncmVhc2UgZml0dGluZ3MuIEJ1dCB0aGV5J3JlIGdlbmVyYWxseSBzbyBpbnRlcm5hdGlvbmFsIHRoYXQgaXQncyBubyBsb25nZXIgcG9zc2libGUgdG8gZGV0ZXJtaW5lIHdoZXJlIHRoZWlyIHByb2R1Y3RzIGFyZSBtYWRlLiBTbyBmYXIgVGlta2VuIGlzIHRoZSBvbmx5IG9uZSB3aG8gdmVyaWZpZXMgd2hlcmUgdGhlaXIBMAEBAQE- References: <41c3.56325023.3e52783b@aol.com> <1361142025.64976.YahooMailNeo@web141102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 07:32:29 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Packer To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Release Bearing Recommendation? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In shopping for a clutch release bearing I've seen what should be top quality brands both with and without grease fittings. But they're generally so international that it's no longer possible to determine where their products are made. So far Timken is the only one who verifies where their 614034 unit is made (USA), but it comes without a grease fitting. Wonder why the differing design choices? So. . .is List experience is that a clutch release bearing with grease fitting is essential - or even desirable - given the possibility of getting excess grease inside the clutch housing? Or perhaps release bearings seldom cause symptoms which a simple greasing cures? Suggestions and opinions appreciated. Terry Packer 9470018 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 19 08:46:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C50406AD for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:46:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.188]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C36F4053D for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:46:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail87-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.211) by CO1EHSOBE018.bigfish.com (10.243.66.81) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:39:28 +0000 Received: from mail87-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail87-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E988540109; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:39:28 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail87-co1: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail87-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail87-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1361288366646862_24064; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:39:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS022.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.198]) by mail87-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998D260005B; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:39:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CO1EHSMHS022.bigfish.com (10.243.66.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:39:26 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.182) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:40:00 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB01.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.1.85]) by OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.182]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:39:24 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Terry Packer , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Release Bearing Recommendation? Thread-Index: AQHODrZca7ZtlBWKHEa+I7237d/QbpiBT88g Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:39:23 +0000 References: <41c3.56325023.3e52783b@aol.com> <1361142025.64976.YahooMailNeo@web141102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1361287949.23637.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Release Bearing Recommendation? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Terry, Having a grease fitting on there also implies that you'd be confident of getting a grease gun on it and pumping grease into it without doing more harm than good... a new release bearing, especially a quality US, German or Japanese bearing, should easily last the life of the clutch disc without service. Just make sure you put a little bit of moly grease on the sliding surfaces for the throwout lever, collar, and the tube that they ride on. 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Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 19 16:16:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D61640E3F for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:16:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B9240E30 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:16:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id f13so1430467vcb.26 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:09:39 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=G2LtNIiEPT62t/oMwT8INEs3GB6Zdr7eopW3nGjCzqc=; b=YQa7zEl/yl2ffP+9NhjxIcwpvS68IdjBfeavabz2qI5pov1ZJDDbFbgyGkk5Cnok8p u4PQ6UXmCUAk5GihngmA5TUa7kLO/JMQ2AWuPiEz4RSoR03PB6S6yBtl6ePVjkz0At1b tPdl0uVwuFhoe4laMebOZ4ZSd25DqY9dt7eACCoQsgDBQ3Xu1+RdHMlrTxoWYIjejkWn UtMAik04pCC9tGge5cKjcdNglucnwpj0reLM5HMlG535m6kAkon2yi8lGBU0tJUYrJWP qWJceRfCp+EylpntkLbM8VsVZgJgxDrTuWl/A1cP7dQTP23+zIAX99fzWY9li9BKkhYU aRVg== vz4mr14398850vdb.5.1361315379035; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:09:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.221.6.4 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:09:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:09:38 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: [Tigers] Shoehorn V8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dad would love this car. Take a modern electric car, yank out the electrics, and shoehorn in a V8! Can't imagine that being done before: http://www.edmunds.com/auto-shows/detroit/2013/bob-lutz-unveils-fisker-karma-based-destino-at-2013-detroit-auto-show.html _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 19 16:20:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4052D40E3E for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:20:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f172.google.com (mail-ia0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E634056E for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:20:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ia0-f172.google.com with SMTP id l29so4680230iag.31 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:14:25 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=UQT8JCyt1RwpbC9P9xfpcK/wjl7l0X8rlgTuHox4/74=; b=ddw+YyScpB71AXf6n12HJIl+ZmD76xiMMThQwb15gPTJfl9iyn2+xMmXCSM33C3gi3 aTs5KkiEXZOHrLHjQSEsCYRPlLXXBHm8jIrSBgJwGf9UR0uvhdNn9q3he3oDImyzSzk+ B4LH4NMxaWDvKGIEl8AAkSKlRltrWT0j6SerSYxnsH+aXFiFBm1Mjx6Mvh6pZ6KMx6iE rjz/EVZF0QEZIyKPFP7K5aommMT6L+r89qw/oKTL0C0zRtLrlagcdpnXUfkout1jTNel jT4cJqmmcseZkJ/ZJjze7iewMYa3qO5hkp6eP6NXzRULuKHXRgDt9TpFy5qfm9PPqp+E ILRw== q9mr9734738igd.107.1361315665425; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:14:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.230.70 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:14:25 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:14:25 +1100 From: michael king To: Jay Laifman Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shoehorn V8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, Someone has thrown a V8 in a Prius.. still wouldn't want to own the ugly things: http://jalopnik.com/5787314/600+hp-corvette+powered-toyota-prius-on-craigslist On 20 February 2013 10:09, Jay Laifman wrote: > Dad would love this car. Take a modern electric car, yank out the > electrics, and shoehorn in a V8! Can't imagine that being done before: > > http://www.edmunds.com/auto-shows/detroit/2013/bob-lutz-unveils-fisker-karma-based-destino-at-2013-detroit-auto-show.html > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 20 13:23:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7128A40E43 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:23:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from wh-qmail04.webhero.com (wh-qmail04.webhero.com [209.217.42.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA255403E6 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:21:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 12788 invoked by uid 10000); 20 Feb 2013 20:15:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO HPLaptop) (70.174.51.228) by wh-qmail04.webhero.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2013 20:15:21 -0000 From: To: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:15:12 -0500 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac4Ppv0hRIpck4C9Q4G7s+HpTJU2qA== Subject: [Tigers] Shoehorn V8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That's great news. There has been worry on the Fisker's future especially since they lost 330 brand new cars in the New Jersey floods during Sandy. Over $330,000.00 was lost when the cars were covered with 5 feet of sea water. Their insurance company refuses to pay for the cars so the lawyers are fighting. That's a lot of money to lose for a struggling company that can't get federal backing again. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 20 13:25:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED59040412 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:25:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77EF403E6 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:24:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CD4A21C0000E5; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mld002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mld002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.122.80]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 959E8E000086; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:18:18 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:18:18 -0500 (EST) To: johnp@ciseast.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1361391499; bh=E7UqEPH14izFGT+qWtZTkNYUjJT+oqW2dMtcdPY418s=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=n1wqcLYQi/YfYZjFvYK77WIhDt5UoNBWjHOH26kN94mhWER8gyyCwwPdTLRET9d7k sJM3niFO1d1RBMxm1FnMKMViLHTEN8e8xL8lNx3sF93f9DvOi1xXPAM6sjGYEqCwWx zZqqAHBksCoSLET0LpUe9s3ffnX3p4J6pZ3pvTU8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b51252f8a005e Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shoehorn V8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wow, never thought that you would have to have separate "flood" insurance to cover cars. Might be a different situation when cars are part of an inventory rather than personally owned. Mark L In a message dated 2/20/2013 3:16:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, johnp@ciseast.com writes: That's great news. There has been worry on the Fisker's future especially since they lost 330 brand new cars in the New Jersey floods during Sandy. Over $330,000.00 was lost when the cars were covered with 5 feet of sea water. Their insurance company refuses to pay for the cars so the lawyers are fighting. That's a lot of money to lose for a struggling company that can't get federal backing again. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 21 05:46:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F274248C for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:46:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646914043D for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:44:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:37:32 -0500 From: "rande" To: mtstatediner@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:37:32 -0500 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Inquiry about Playboy Tiger hood emblem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Good Morning, Hopefully, this has been suggested already, but if not... With my PC, I can't get a large enough and detailed view of the emblem, but from what I can see, it looks very much like the LAT 70 alloy wheel spinner emblem. If you haven't already gone to the Sunbeam Specialties PDF catalogue, please go to www.rootes.com and take a look at page 28. This is the page where they list available replacement LAT option parts. The emblem is shown separately for Alpines and Tigers, only the Tiger version is available now, for under $4.00 each. I wasn't following the Playboy Tiger project in real time in the 1960's, but my hunch is that West Coast representative for Rootes Group Ian Garrad had a hand in converting this Tiger, and at the same time was responsible for putting together the LAT option program. If this emblem did not come directly from the LAT catalogue, I think the one on the pink Tiger was based very much on the design of LAT 70 wheel emblem. I would have you approximate the size of the emblem on the car, and call or contact Sunbeam Specialties to have them measure the part that they sell. If this hasn't already been pointed out, all of the photographs of the Playboy Tiger that you've shown me, as well as the PR black and white eight by ten and magazine shots, look like they were posed at a site in the Santa Monica Mountain range in southern California, near Los Angeles, near the West Coast Rootes offices. While all of this is not concrete proof that the emblem came from the LAT program, the evidence to me points that way. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 21 05:57:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD0342491 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:57:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f179.google.com (mail-ia0-f179.google.com [209.85.210.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29F14043D for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ia0-f179.google.com with SMTP id x24so8180130iak.10 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:50:25 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=IdKzY5ZDYX/mHI2LnLAVEZl1C3AFwJx3vcIaJr+LTh8=; b=F9NmkqHR0AvH4e1FlUMKcjDqaf25xeGt8UvUDJsszKbJiQL148w8hJa5ScWRuxQwPG ayJcRikgEi12Wk7iKEjoltehcetGMoat/8632ahW8JamG1WmTd7dK6vsdZBx1pHN5C5W 0b7AbkY9gJjOKprx76BN76lF9DcsJjCmejeN9+3bDZArruUwrMYkudSVBfmfAxf6y5wc BIYB00G2Rt1e2htwL53uWtEHhT9KLNuhM3M9LP4RbxKsGCbIN9WvRkhxOOXL3pEpWHDa ssA80z7EckTs4RnUaAyDxen0znm8o6ChxurF4zRbP4M3+j5cdXZjKf2LQSgf5JzOfA+w vsxA== hn11mr11740185igb.107.1361451025564; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:50:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.230.70 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:50:25 -0800 (PST) References: <5126150c.5249.0@thecia.net> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 23:50:25 +1100 From: michael king To: rande@thecia.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net, mtstatediner@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Inquiry about Playboy Tiger hood emblem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The logo is the LAT Tiger head logo, I used to have a zoomed version of it on my webshots page before they closed the site. It looks as if he used one of the LAT badges as he made for his "Super Tiger" steering wheel and inserted it in one of the S3 alpine chrome bonnet badge plinths. The LAT logo on the spinners was pretty much the same. I'll see if i can dig the picture up from my archive. On 21 February 2013 23:37, rande wrote: > Good Morning, > > Hopefully, this has been suggested already, but if not... > > With my PC, I can't get a large enough and detailed view of the emblem, but > from what I can see, it looks very much like the LAT 70 alloy wheel spinner > emblem. If you haven't already gone to the Sunbeam Specialties PDF > catalogue, > please go to www.rootes.com and take a look at page 28. This is the page > where > they list available replacement LAT option parts. The emblem is shown > separately > for Alpines and Tigers, only the Tiger version is available now, for under > $4.00 > each. > > I wasn't following the Playboy Tiger project in real time in the 1960's, > but > my hunch is that West Coast representative for Rootes Group Ian Garrad had > a > hand in converting this Tiger, and at the same time was responsible for > putting > together the LAT option program. If this emblem did not come directly from > the > LAT catalogue, I think the one on the pink Tiger was based very much on the > design of LAT 70 wheel emblem. I would have you approximate the size of the > emblem on the car, and call or contact Sunbeam Specialties to have them > measure > the part that they sell. > > If this hasn't already been pointed out, all of the photographs of the > Playboy > Tiger that you've shown me, as well as the PR black and white eight by ten > and > magazine shots, look like they were posed at a site in the Santa Monica > Mountain > range in southern California, near Los Angeles, near the West Coast Rootes > offices. > While all of this is not concrete proof that the emblem came from the LAT > program, > the evidence to me points that way. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 21 06:09:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C4142487 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 06:09:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f171.google.com (mail-ie0-f171.google.com [209.85.223.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BA64043D for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 06:08:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 10so11288273ied.30 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:02:16 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=EheLsz7XqVLdrmxcTDvu7IZDiPCwHPN2Lh5t2Fc3ixs=; b=gLJCXcLfvOpZkHFagBNBH3rggyR0sXPcpZu5nsegxHIv2ncqy6nboup94Dja9Td6jf b5eX0HGqKvETt66lqvsGyXc+R1ZPCHHxkZE3E5wTV6vp71CyjQ7w0sJ5DxR2crJf7Zys U+GtyHSbk+rPoSDJmJPNazYZ1YmQGf043CkOFxl/85uNrz783fuc+Hj5Vu+1E9n+ws6a Miylq42j0fsTtfU+wjmzmRlDbLXjaRL+vBb80hD1VtKv1LgayFMYk7B1ZZp1OLKYNJV8 QT1sHhDDkjBFPUiK/4MESBpNz39JD1V6zdcfpzwmy4GbqZQ6a4qybSQs+HsebSeH9rVe w5+A== v11mr10875644icv.28.1361451736433; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.230.70 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:02:16 -0800 (PST) References: <5126150c.5249.0@thecia.net> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 00:02:16 +1100 From: michael king To: rande@thecia.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net, mtstatediner@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Inquiry about Playboy Tiger hood emblem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net As a side note.. it was also on the LAT bonnet in the LAT sales brochure On 21 February 2013 23:37, rande wrote: > Good Morning, > > Hopefully, this has been suggested already, but if not... > > With my PC, I can't get a large enough and detailed view of the emblem, but > from what I can see, it looks very much like the LAT 70 alloy wheel spinner > emblem. If you haven't already gone to the Sunbeam Specialties PDF > catalogue, > please go to www.rootes.com and take a look at page 28. This is the page > where > they list available replacement LAT option parts. The emblem is shown > separately > for Alpines and Tigers, only the Tiger version is available now, for under > $4.00 > each. > > I wasn't following the Playboy Tiger project in real time in the 1960's, > but > my hunch is that West Coast representative for Rootes Group Ian Garrad had > a > hand in converting this Tiger, and at the same time was responsible for > putting > together the LAT option program. If this emblem did not come directly from > the > LAT catalogue, I think the one on the pink Tiger was based very much on the > design of LAT 70 wheel emblem. I would have you approximate the size of the > emblem on the car, and call or contact Sunbeam Specialties to have them > measure > the part that they sell. > > If this hasn't already been pointed out, all of the photographs of the > Playboy > Tiger that you've shown me, as well as the PR black and white eight by ten > and > magazine shots, look like they were posed at a site in the Santa Monica > Mountain > range in southern California, near Los Angeles, near the West Coast Rootes > offices. > While all of this is not concrete proof that the emblem came from the LAT > program, > the evidence to me points that way. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of LAT bonnet + logo.jpg] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 22 15:20:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9926B4040B for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:20:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 64F3B403D9 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:19:58 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1361571192; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=To:Date:Subject:Content-Type:From:Message-Id; b=Y7dq2ALKZnbrPvwCdtfcK0PjglWtu6yZYrUFohjUrBjitzY8r705IsMADbNOypdpj K0usphCZmwDrYYfCqnwcZaF43qlAv10MG+mHe75oKyg4dfqAYjKy67c1DTTWkhyUgz 3N3Vtkt72gtRV50bscxMaEWPNqBwfQucnmXHWIUw= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (mailpop14.vgs.untd.com [10.181.45.34]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJUR5LMAUB3KHJ for (sender ); Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brockctella@juno.com) by mailpop14.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SXLNG6G5; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:12:24 PST To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:11:49 -0800 From: brockctella@juno.com Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Does anybody know of a source for O.E.M. engine mounts? According to Dale Akuszewski and Sunbeam Specialties, there is nothing available today that works. Apparently the current after market mounts sag on Mustangs but the tolerances aren't as tight as on our Tigers. ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5127ed4bcb20a6d4b18dest04vuc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 22 16:11:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8B140418 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:11:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-mocinrl09.gannett.com (ent-mocinrl09.gannett.com [159.54.39.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6458A403D9 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:11:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from ENT-MOCEXHC01.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.20.1.47]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-mocinrl09.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B30539E5C3; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::5d98:601a:f044:d018]) by ENT-MOCEXHC01.us.ad.gannett.com ([172.20.1.47]) with mapi; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:04:29 -0500 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "brockctella@juno.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:04:28 -0500 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Thread-Index: Ac4RSjVQ1Weued7nRsilxQYYP7CEaQABpDAQ References: <20130222.141224.1555.187225@mailpop14.vgs.untd.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On a related subject, has anyone tried the polyurethane engine mounts or a Tiger? Or anything else for that matter. Effective? Annoying? -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of brockctella@juno.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 2:12 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Does anybody know of a source for O.E.M. engine mounts? According to Dale Akuszewski and Sunbeam Specialties, there is nothing available today that works. Apparently the current after market mounts sag on Mustangs but the tolerances aren't as tight as on our Tigers. ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5127ed4bcb20a6d4b18dest04vuc _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 22 16:45:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB1340434 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:45:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54621403E0 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:45:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r1MNcZmR005246; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:38:51 -0800 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018936b) id sj1-dm103.510c2991.33141a; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:38:45 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:38:00 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4RSefTFY6Z0U3qTkaM0tdVhIqQaAACmHMg engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-22_06:2013-02-22,2013-02-22,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1302220249 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Original Ford part numbers for the Tiger engine mounts C3AZ-6038-G Right mount C3AZ-6038-H Left mount Transmission mount - C4ZA-6068-A From B9470057 I have no idea what is available today but I have to respect Dale and Ricks opinion about the parts available. I wonder what the problem is with the parts currently available? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of brockctella@juno.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 5:12 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Does anybody know of a source for O.E.M. engine mounts? According to Dale Akuszewski and Sunbeam Specialties, there is nothing available today that works. Apparently the current after market mounts sag on Mustangs but the tolerances aren't as tight as on our Tigers. ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5127ed4bcb20a6d4b18dest04vuc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6123 - Release Date: 02/22/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 22 16:51:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD21E40519 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:51:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6702F403E0 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:50:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 39A521C0000B5; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:43:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mlc005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.211]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id F257BE000081; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:43:56 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:43:56 -0500 (EST) To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, brockctella@juno.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1361576638; bh=S7hBGrav5EqlkJ8k96Wn1ntRP/HbUIkmKOi48S2NYaw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PR8R2y9plRmh5p3ITtC8yk4/I7icoY6NX6y2StqOXLhAMNjkv323ZUwvBoxqx5H34 nLN7OgTZjfpe71qntEkLRNsKHX9Im6MBDlUt7I5fbWJGcqaD/ohR+sny0wDE5TvU7x 02Ar4ILuMbQ/DKmBLJ7tagDgTkZhaxmzwkQAat6U= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d512802bc57b0 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The ones that I looked a few yrs. ago were mostly foreign made junk. I would get the local NAPA or Parts America to order in a set and bring in the originals to compare and they didn't match up at all. Can't remember where I finally found some that were acceptable. I didn't try a Ford dealer. Maybe that's the place to try. Mark Laf. In a message dated 2/22/2013 6:38:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rfraser@bluefrog.com writes: Original Ford part numbers for the Tiger engine mounts C3AZ-6038-G Right mount C3AZ-6038-H Left mount Transmission mount - C4ZA-6068-A From B9470057 I have no idea what is available today but I have to respect Dale and Ricks opinion about the parts available. I wonder what the problem is with the parts currently available? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of brockctella@juno.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 5:12 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Does anybody know of a source for O.E.M. engine mounts? According to Dale Akuszewski and Sunbeam Specialties, there is nothing available today that works. Apparently the current after market mounts sag on Mustangs but the tolerances aren't as tight as on our Tigers. ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5127ed4bcb20a6d4b18dest04vuc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6123 - Release Date: 02/22/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 22 16:51:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A113403E7 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:51:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B261740440 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 639D71C0000A5; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mlc005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.211]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E9639E000086; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:44:14 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:44:14 -0500 (EST) To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, brockctella@juno.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1361576655; bh=pdRhDlv9Ni+GcbvsxpQZhXczIEtm0nSvyqys7F+1Y1g=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tK3VxEuq6G2l7E+MnR7NuDfjI5vCYMr5x7FdeEYM3S7qv6Ezzf1E9xH9Sb0RdKZ2V oYKvO84qGewakjC3xPug8oeAb9z7LJyU934gxWsSAB0DrtS9juzZao8yNMtjo9bC6n E/A9z/jB1z+UY/XP116Xv+0d64d+UG3Sy+ASHAlM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d512802ce584c Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The ones that I looked a few yrs. ago were mostly foreign made junk. I would get the local NAPA or Parts America to order in a set and bring in the originals to compare and they didn't match up at all. Can't remember where I finally found some that were acceptable. I didn't try a Ford dealer. Maybe that's the place to try. Mark Laf. In a message dated 2/22/2013 6:38:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rfraser@bluefrog.com writes: Original Ford part numbers for the Tiger engine mounts C3AZ-6038-G Right mount C3AZ-6038-H Left mount Transmission mount - C4ZA-6068-A From B9470057 I have no idea what is available today but I have to respect Dale and Ricks opinion about the parts available. I wonder what the problem is with the parts currently available? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of brockctella@juno.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 5:12 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Does anybody know of a source for O.E.M. engine mounts? According to Dale Akuszewski and Sunbeam Specialties, there is nothing available today that works. Apparently the current after market mounts sag on Mustangs but the tolerances aren't as tight as on our Tigers. ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5127ed4bcb20a6d4b18dest04vuc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6123 - Release Date: 02/22/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 22 18:35:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1338840421 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:35:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9E8403E7 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:34:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MIN00BHQG2Y5U90@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:28:11 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:28:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >>>I wonder what the problem is with the parts currently available?<<< I honestly think the current rubber (mostly from China) is made from black soot and Elmer's glue. The boots on my (new) upper ball joints just rotted away in less than a year. This was in a closed garage with the car on jackstands - and this was 10 years ago. On the other hand I have a wheelbarrow that has sat outside for 30 years and the rubber tire is still serviceable. I replaced the motor mounts on my Studebaker a while back. The metal part was about half as thick as the original. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: ; Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts > Original Ford part numbers for the Tiger engine mounts > > C3AZ-6038-G Right mount > C3AZ-6038-H Left mount > > Transmission mount - C4ZA-6068-A From B9470057 > > I have no idea what is available today but I have to respect Dale > and Ricks opinion about the parts available. > > I wonder what the problem is with the parts currently available? > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of brockctella@juno.com > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 5:12 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts > > > Does anybody know of a source for O.E.M. engine mounts? According to Dale > Akuszewski and Sunbeam Specialties, there is nothing available today that > works. Apparently the current after market mounts sag on Mustangs but the > tolerances aren't as tight as on our Tigers. > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5127ed4bcb20a6d4b18dest04vuc > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6123 - Release Date: 02/22/13 > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6122 - Release Date: 02/21/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 22 19:59:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28FE424BB for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:59:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD234248F for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:55:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A00991C00013D; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:48:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mlc005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.211]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1B422E000085; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:48:28 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:48:27 -0500 (EST) To: atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1361587708; bh=OBjBvkVVT6sNmIcCD+cEUYqMsgBPqlXo3LEOhOupRiE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sgb0NCA42gQdcD742oalUAEV+UThi+SmmLHTfUd46FQx/Bvik6qS05NWfF793fIme fAtJgq5jk98eigWko4OtLAIIhZCIKRn3JB9hrdeI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338951282dfc7a6c Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Try buying tire tubes for bicycles, lawnmowers, etc. Most of them are from China and they have to be filled monthly. The rubber, or what passes for rubber must be very porous. I've given up on smaller wheels and used solid tires when I could make them work. Mark Laf. In a message dated 2/22/2013 8:28:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, atwittsend@verizon.net writes: >>>I wonder what the problem is with the parts currently available?<<< I honestly think the current rubber (mostly from China) is made from black soot and Elmer's glue. The boots on my (new) upper ball joints just rotted away in less than a year. This was in a closed garage with the car on jackstands - and this was 10 years ago. On the other hand I have a wheelbarrow that has sat outside for 30 years and the rubber tire is still serviceable. I replaced the motor mounts on my Studebaker a while back. The metal part was about half as thick as the original. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: ; Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts > Original Ford part numbers for the Tiger engine mounts > > C3AZ-6038-G Right mount > C3AZ-6038-H Left mount > > Transmission mount - C4ZA-6068-A From B9470057 > > I have no idea what is available today but I have to respect Dale > and Ricks opinion about the parts available. > > I wonder what the problem is with the parts currently available? > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of brockctella@juno.com > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 5:12 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts > > > Does anybody know of a source for O.E.M. engine mounts? According to Dale > Akuszewski and Sunbeam Specialties, there is nothing available today that > works. Apparently the current after market mounts sag on Mustangs but the > tolerances aren't as tight as on our Tigers. > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5127ed4bcb20a6d4b18dest04vuc > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6123 - Release Date: 02/22/13 > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6122 - Release Date: 02/21/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 22 19:59:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F444424E4 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:59:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from rco2.airstreamcomm.net (rco2.airstreamcomm.net [68.65.40.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729A042498 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:56:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail5.mwt.net ([207.190.94.125]) by rco2.airstreamcomm.net ({f60185c2-4106-4c44-99c1-cb98589a16d2}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130223024848877; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 02:48:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([98.143.224.122]) (user=jeffers@mwt.net mech=PLAIN bits=0) by mail5.mwt.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id r1N2mf2g003842; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:48:41 -0600 From: Pam and Tom Jeffers Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:48:41 -0600 References: <7a6.21d48f47.3e595cbc@aol.com> To: CoolVT@aol.com Cc: brockctella@juno.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In 2009 I needed to replace the broken drivers side motor mount on my Tiger. My favorite auto parts store sold me a "Standard" brand part number 2220. It was close but did not fit. I took it back, got another one with the same result. So I made a jig to compare the orginial to the replacement. One of the two holes that mount to the block was off a bit. Using a tool in my drill I adjusted the hole in the direction needed. It then fit and has been working fine since. Tom On Feb 22, 2013, at 5:43 PM, CoolVT@aol.com wrote: > The ones that I looked a few yrs. ago were mostly foreign made junk. I > would get the local NAPA or Parts America to order in a set and bring in the > originals to compare and they didn't match up at all. Can't remember where > I finally found some that were acceptable. I didn't try a Ford dealer. > Maybe that's the place to try. > Mark Laf. > > > In a message dated 2/22/2013 6:38:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > rfraser@bluefrog.com writes: > > Original Ford part numbers for the Tiger engine mounts > > C3AZ-6038-G Right mount > C3AZ-6038-H Left mount > > Transmission mount - C4ZA-6068-A From B9470057 > > I have no idea what is available today but I have to respect Dale > and Ricks opinion about the parts available. > > I wonder what the problem is with the parts currently available? > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of brockctella@juno.com > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 5:12 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts > > > Does anybody know of a source for O.E.M. engine mounts? According to Dale > Akuszewski and Sunbeam Specialties, there is nothing available today that > works. Apparently the current after market mounts sag on Mustangs but the > tolerances aren't as tight as on our Tigers. > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5127ed4bcb20a6d4b18dest04vuc > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6123 - Release Date: 02/22/13 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jeffers@mwt.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 10:18:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8954044F for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 10:18:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A180E403F3 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 10:18:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3s6o1l0021zF43QADtBphn; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:11:49 +0000 Received: from [10.0.0.39] ([76.126.228.153]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3tBo1l00U3KDBGU8ktBpqC; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:11:49 +0000 From: Rob Guerra Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 09:11:50 -0800 References: <20130222.141224.1555.187225@mailpop14.vgs.untd.com> To: brockctella@juno.com s=q20121106; t=1361639509; bh=79ezXj9MrYJx09IOmezr1ya9QHXmS1pXhppwcZ75QEg=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=gUgexKFpl6yzWyr4l5GcMvICB2vDRJmJnTsTsyoEUUWLlC38B42A+ASAa4hrKwT8x Sq5YlHNQMrBw5qfyueAFPmX9Cx4GvgNzFWzWc98eDSn0iyZK1Uk7nIa6RnfDyKOWe0 Oj+FStfxEm2SSTIAj7N/aU3U/paeBzBBsEq2Vds+Nwp/vVS+cd1IdO83461IxLGbHq 3QMOOoDnt8f+5iiFdu8/1Hhrva7050XKmd6HS7shrPKLRBmrwrB9hLXg1Z+By+IXsk Lq4VBegM7hzm9WPs5PCLyh+KDrUcemAbvSAobLcuN68+JYm3p9ICiGz6d54wlmUpkW 6unmZoBjyKS+g== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts ( reproductions) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I know this is going to open a can of worms... but since the discussion about mounts is already going I will add this I have known for a long time that there has not been a decent mount on the market for the Tiger. Some mounts will last only a matter of months before tearing, or the just don't fit because of poor workmanship. I am working with a supplier in Australia to have some custom engine rubber engine mounts made for the Tiger, which will include a stop to prevent the rubber from tearing in high torque situations. I started this so I could have decent mounts for my car. I will probably only manufacture 100 sets. I do not have the final price yet. If you have interest send me an email OFFLINE to rob.guerra@tigerengineering.net and I can add your name to the list and I will contact you with specifics about the production. rob On Feb 22, 2013, at 2:11 PM, brockctella@juno.com wrote: _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 15:31:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539B240564 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 15:31:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59D740516 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 15:27:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 4F9o1l00C1vXlb853NM18U; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:21:01 +0000 Received: from sz0108.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 4NM11l00K2xV5no3dNM1ei; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:21:01 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:21:01 +0000 (UTC) From: ironbeast@comcast.net To: brockctella@juno.com s=q20121106; t=1361744461; bh=Mth9QKH02HaXDdibNsiy4GXmav1m4NZuPmw/2Vtuk4o=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=c/qInZv4nmV7WN3n7/Y3ye9Ugc6neBZP1X2rAyVwRdnSEqx4AN9My8YqC/xFgbG8C Kuzil5qP5s8Rkk3s2xar4QXNk8+9b91i5mIefhMQ09fatzxVmSdJIRW8FTj2O/T7J1 iqPld2Z/FkTJMcbyvEajguq+WU1Qn+g4n56vgcwsTuxPILEHysaDJw4AgmDqIn48Cn K1Thye+BycfI7nXfbmBHs6biqpi8u35T+yQd0JyPaEo0+oUhCOKmBg5A9WJT7Q5pgW q/sMGtHyQT4xe1Zl8WWCRqmCK+dXFlYt3rejMs3eWIGjTqSV4EdQrvKg+ljc16BgFx jXeJnrmYc3kgg== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Does anybody have experience with Steele products engine mounts? I cross referenced Ron's Ford part nums with Steele's catalog and came up with 20-0088-11 Rt and 20-0089-11 Left. $24.50 ea and made in USA. ----- Original Message ----- From: brockctella@juno.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 5:11:49 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Does anybody know of a source for O.E.M. engine mounts? According to Dale Akuszewski and Sunbeam Specialties, there is nothing available today that works. Apparently the current after market mounts sag on Mustangs but the tolerances aren't as tight as on our Tigers. ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5127ed4bcb20a6d4b18dest04vuc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ironbeast@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 20:09:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F63540532 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 20:09:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f179.google.com (mail-gg0-f179.google.com [209.85.161.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DCB4044E for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 20:09:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-gg0-f179.google.com with SMTP id h4so429058ggn.38 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 19:02:37 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to :thread-index:x-mimeole; bh=//7iR35+arvKf7+Nv4xx3+ut8XmLTFw6EeuoMw6qlEc=; b=vtbZ2/8uOZmKZ7AXTC53RrmhUn1FKhs93ry139yqmPGl3jxOYH+BtHGP4dZ7QV5u3J /sXLFFYF9GQJ/Qgcg0xWtsdajfyK1Icy13HM3vgGmtAkl+fo3wJ0uI6CK04b/EaEGqNt Zk32zj4adXUZ8J+4t7bkF0TpBGZ50HabawhfoLy5mwndVGxgKlMrHrnBtHU/3EQanNox 0a+gFn3DIgzkKlXvxJVlixdZ8LbBGfqfRdM6Tf1O6wRodkkMkLfa7gTqEdO5XK4y7z+d cCxIeI2J+FFjcUoMxRcQ1ksdLGJA3RSV6nXrXglQisf9114a6SVBa0YOts3IWR6jrKTU nIEg== f22mr17163495yhl.87.1361761357890; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 19:02:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from DellD4700 (adsl-184-38-216-249.msy.bellsouth.net. [184.38.216.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d80sm23195852yhg.4.2013.02.24.19.02.36 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Feb 2013 19:02:36 -0800 (PST) From: "A. C. Tynes" To: , References: <20130222.141224.1555.187225@mailpop14.vgs.untd.com> <2111815395.1546808.1361744461154.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 21:02:57 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac4S3b5LhOakws74S7qnoe0qbdl1dQAJiG0g Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I figure that anyone who would name their company Steele Rubber Products must have confidence in their products as well as a sense of humor. Actually, I have never used their products, but I know several people who have and they have had nothing but good things to say about them. I think it would be worth the risk of $50. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ironbeast@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:21 PM To: brockctella@juno.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Does anybody have experience with Steele products engine mounts? I cross referenced Ron's Ford part nums with Steele's catalog and came up with 20-0088-11 Rt and 20-0089-11 Left. $24.50 ea and made in USA. ----- Original Message ----- From: brockctella@juno.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 5:11:49 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Does anybody know of a source for O.E.M. engine mounts? According to Dale Akuszewski and Sunbeam Specialties, there is nothing available today that works. Apparently the current after market mounts sag on Mustangs but the tolerances aren't as tight as on our Tigers. ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5127ed4bcb20a6d4b18dest04vuc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ironbeast@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 20:46:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086F440046 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 20:46:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7832F40046 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 20:46:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r1P3axgI017537; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 19:39:27 -0800 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189298) id dm0213.510c296b.377c55; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 19:39:16 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'A. C. Tynes'" , , Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:39:12 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4S3b5LhOakws74S7qnoe0qbdl1dQAJiG0gAAFS//A= engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-25_02:2013-02-22,2013-02-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1302240347 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A.C. Are those Tiger owners who have used the Steele products? What we need is good feedback on current parts that will work correctly for Tiger application. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of A. C. Tynes Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:03 PM To: ironbeast@comcast.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts I figure that anyone who would name their company Steele Rubber Products must have confidence in their products as well as a sense of humor. Actually, I have never used their products, but I know several people who have and they have had nothing but good things to say about them. I think it would be worth the risk of $50. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ironbeast@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:21 PM To: brockctella@juno.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Does anybody have experience with Steele products engine mounts? I cross referenced Ron's Ford part nums with Steele's catalog and came up with 20-0088-11 Rt and 20-0089-11 Left. $24.50 ea and made in USA. ----- Original Message ----- From: brockctella@juno.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 5:11:49 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Does anybody know of a source for O.E.M. engine mounts? According to Dale Akuszewski and Sunbeam Specialties, there is nothing available today that works. Apparently the current after market mounts sag on Mustangs but the tolerances aren't as tight as on our Tigers. ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5127ed4bcb20a6d4b18dest04vuc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ironbeast@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6123 - Release Date: 02/22/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 21:05:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFFD40514 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 21:05:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com [159.54.39.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F69B403FA for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 21:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from ent-mocexhub01.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.20.1.86]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF12B346191; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:55:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::5d98:601a:f044:d018]) by ent-mocexhub01.us.ad.gannett.com ([::1]) with mapi; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:55:07 -0500 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" , "'A. C. Tynes'" , "ironbeast@comcast.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:55:06 -0500 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Thread-Index: Ac4S3b5LhOakws74S7qnoe0qbdl1dQAJiG0gAAFS//AAAKX+wA== References: <01F78368926C40489C5BFF5B358CB8F1@DellD4700> <108DEBF0957D4801924D35DC8226B9EB@ronpc1> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Energy Suspension sells polyurethane motor mounts. They have pictures on their web site and it looks like they have made the mounts in a way that would make it unlikely to have the mount separate and break. I have zero experience with polyurethane engine mounts and therefore no clue as to how these would affect feedback through the mount to the chassis, etc. They sell on their website for $139.00+. Any takers? Sorry for the duplicate Ron, I did not "reply all". -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:39 PM To: 'A. C. Tynes'; ironbeast@comcast.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts A.C. Are those Tiger owners who have used the Steele products? What we need is good feedback on current parts that will work correctly for Tiger application. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of A. C. Tynes Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:03 PM To: ironbeast@comcast.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts I figure that anyone who would name their company Steele Rubber Products must have confidence in their products as well as a sense of humor. Actually, I have never used their products, but I know several people who have and they have had nothing but good things to say about them. I think it would be worth the risk of $50. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ironbeast@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:21 PM To: brockctella@juno.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Does anybody have experience with Steele products engine mounts? I cross referenced Ron's Ford part nums with Steele's catalog and came up with 20-0088-11 Rt and 20-0089-11 Left. $24.50 ea and made in USA. ----- Original Message ----- From: brockctella@juno.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 5:11:49 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Does anybody know of a source for O.E.M. engine mounts? According to Dale Akuszewski and Sunbeam Specialties, there is nothing available today that works. Apparently the current after market mounts sag on Mustangs but the tolerances aren't as tight as on our Tigers. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 21:15:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C184051C for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 21:15:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FC44040F for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 21:15:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MIR00GOJCUAT2U2@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:08:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <01F78368926C40489C5BFF5B358CB8F1@DellD4700> <108DEBF0957D4801924D35DC8226B9EB@ronpc1> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 20:08:35 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Not much to worry about if a Tiger motor mount lets go... . There is no room for the engine to go anywhere. :-) While work arounds, there are various alternative restraint systems. Some I have seen are cable. Others, depending on the mount, have an auxiliary bolt going through both halves while still retaining some degree of play and vibration isolation. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 14:05:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C7740530 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:05:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.bemta5.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta5.messagelabs.com [195.245.231.130]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348974044A for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:01:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [85.158.139.51:6939] by server-15.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id 8E/EB-22815-E7FCB215; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:54:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 20019 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2013 20:54:21 -0000 Received: from mailgate2.akzonobel.com (HELO mailgate2.akzonobel.com) (144.95.74.8) by server-15.tower-180.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 25 Feb 2013 20:54:21 -0000 Received: from amln817.d30.intra ([10.13.175.81]) by mailgate2.akzonobel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:54:20 +0100 Received: from AMDCG61.d30.intra ([10.14.40.71]) by amln817.d30.intra ([10.13.175.81]) with mapi; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:54:19 +0100 From: "Ronak, T.P. (Timothy)" To: "ironbeast@comcast.net" Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:54:17 +0100 Thread-Topic: Engine Mounts Thread-Index: Ac4TmkbS5h0h5DwOSmSGXyfcpVK93g== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US FILETIME=[48B277B0:01CE139A] Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Engine Mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If you are installing any rubber engine mounts and plan on 'exercising' your car you may want to through bolt the engine mount with a 5/16 tapered head hex bolt with a steel lock nut to provide a added measure of security for the mount given that it is exposed to significant heat torture. Unlike Chevy the old mounts do not an integrated interlock system that prevents the mount from tearing apart. I have an old article on the modification/upgrade I did if anyone is interested. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Senior Services Consultant AkzoNobel Automotive and Aerospace Coatings NA 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Ph: (949) 289-3357 Fx: (425) 955-6268 "If a man dwells on the past, then he robs the present. But if a man ignores the past, he may rob the future. The seeds of our destiny are nurtured by the roots of our past." Master Po - TV's Kung Fu Information contained in this email is confidential. If you received this email in error please delete this message and inform the sender. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 14:23:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B843D40516 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:23:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7601403DF for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:23:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r1PLBQkH006915; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 13:16:17 -0800 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id sj1-dm103.510c2991.39f254; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 13:16:08 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.179.132]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:16:07 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Ronak, T.P. \(Timothy\)'" , Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:16:03 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4TmkbS5h0h5DwOSmSGXyfcpVK93gAAsbkg engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-25_02:2013-02-22,2013-02-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1302250206 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tim Are you talking about your Tech Tip listed on Tigers United for the engine mounts? http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/RonakCam/pt-RonakCam5.asp It is listed down the page. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ronak, T.P. (Timothy) Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 3:54 PM To: ironbeast@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Engine Mounts If you are installing any rubber engine mounts and plan on 'exercising' your car you may want to through bolt the engine mount with a 5/16 tapered head hex bolt with a steel lock nut to provide a added measure of security for the mount given that it is exposed to significant heat torture. Unlike Chevy the old mounts do not an integrated interlock system that prevents the mount from tearing apart. I have an old article on the modification/upgrade I did if anyone is interested. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Senior Services Consultant AkzoNobel Automotive and Aerospace Coatings NA 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Ph: (949) 289-3357 Fx: (425) 955-6268 "If a man dwells on the past, then he robs the present. But if a man ignores the past, he may rob the future. The seeds of our destiny are nurtured by the roots of our past." Master Po - TV's Kung Fu Information contained in this email is confidential. If you received this email in error please delete this message and inform the sender. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6130 - Release Date: 02/25/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 14:53:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919BE40412 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:53:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.bemta3.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta3.messagelabs.com [195.245.230.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6211640412 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from [85.158.137.3:37262] by server-11.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id AB/55-10249-7F5DB215; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:21:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 10825 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2013 21:21:55 -0000 Received: from mailgate1.akzonobel.com (HELO mailgate1.akzonobel.com) (144.95.66.8) by server-6.tower-38.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 25 Feb 2013 21:21:55 -0000 Received: from amdn804.d30.intra ([10.13.175.28]) by mailgate1.akzonobel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:21:53 +0100 Received: from AMDCG61.d30.intra ([10.14.40.71]) by amdn804.d30.intra ([10.13.175.28]) with mapi; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:21:50 +0100 From: "Ronak, T.P. (Timothy)" To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:21:29 +0100 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Engine Mounts Thread-Index: Ac4TmkbS5h0h5DwOSmSGXyfcpVK93gAAsbkgAAAgJeA= References: <1E5F750DA2A99748909713C645CDBDA501399F30DBB1@AMDCG61.d30.intra> <87C2B26F65894AD48D964739179EA0D0@ronpc1> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US FILETIME=[22247C20:01CE139E] Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ha .... Yup ! I totally forgot about that bit although I did a Motor mount article as well. Attached Best Regards, Tim Ronak Senior Services Consultant AkzoNobel Automotive and Aerospace Coatings NA 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Ph: (949) 289-3357 Fx: (425) 955-6268 EM: timothy.ronak@akzonobel.com Personal EM: timronak@cox.net "If a man dwells on the past, then he robs the present. But if a man ignores the past, he may rob the future. The seeds of our destiny are nurtured by the roots of our past." Master Po - TV's Kung Fu Information contained in this email is confidential. If you received this email in error please delete this message and inform the sender. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:16 PM To: Ronak, T.P. (Timothy); ironbeast@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Engine Mounts Tim Are you talking about your Tech Tip listed on Tigers United for the engine mounts? http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/RonakCam/pt-RonakCam5.asp It is listed down the page. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ronak, T.P. (Timothy) Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 3:54 PM To: ironbeast@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Engine Mounts If you are installing any rubber engine mounts and plan on 'exercising' your car you may want to through bolt the engine mount with a 5/16 tapered head hex bolt with a steel lock nut to provide a added measure of security for the mount given that it is exposed to significant heat torture. Unlike Chevy the old mounts do not an integrated interlock system that prevents the mount from tearing apart. I have an old article on the modification/upgrade I did if anyone is interested. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Senior Services Consultant AkzoNobel Automotive and Aerospace Coatings NA 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Ph: (949) 289-3357 Fx: (425) 955-6268 "If a man dwells on the past, then he robs the present. But if a man ignores the past, he may rob the future. The seeds of our destiny are nurtured by the roots of our past." Master Po - TV's Kung Fu Information contained in this email is confidential. If you received this email in error please delete this message and inform the sender. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6130 - Release Date: 02/25/13 ____________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for Viruses and Spam. For more information please contact your local Business Unit Information Security representative. ____________________________________________________________________________ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of Motor Mount Article with pics.pdf] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 12:18:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654F540537 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:18:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1E240431 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:17:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY148-DS5 ([65.54.190.123]) by bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:10:21 -0800 From: David or Gary Franchi To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, 'A.C.Tynes' , ironbeast@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:10:20 GMT FILETIME=[EC31D420:01CE1454] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I checked around on the NET and found Anchor Industries makes the 2220 & 2221 engine mounts. I wrote them asking if they were made in the USA and the replied they were. (See below) Has anyone used these Anchor brand mounts on their Tiger? David Franchi ------------ Yes they are. Regards, John Leonard Anchor Industries 30775 Solon Industrial Parkway Solon, OH 44139 440-473-1414 x439 jtlanchor@oh.rr.com http://anchor-online.com/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 12:26:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DE24053E for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:26:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C9D40067 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail77-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.252) by TX2EHSOBE007.bigfish.com (10.9.40.27) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:18:58 +0000 Received: from mail77-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail77-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8395A420311; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:18:58 +0000 (UTC) IPV:NLI; H:BL2PRD0611HT005.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail77-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail77-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1361906335781610_30448; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS025.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.246]) by mail77-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA12A6005D; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BL2PRD0611HT005.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (157.56.240.229) by TX2EHSMHS025.bigfish.com (10.9.99.125) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:18:55 +0000 Received: from BL2PRD0611MB398.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.4.234]) by BL2PRD0611HT005.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.105.168]) with mapi id 14.16.0263.000; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:18:51 +0000 From: Greg Koss To: David or Gary Franchi , "rfraser@bluefrog.com" , 'A.C.Tynes' , "ironbeast@comcast.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Thread-Index: AQHOFFTrs3FIwm2kMUCJT46uSSeSzZiMg2I0 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:18:51 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [12.174.136.146] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Can they confirm they cross to our Ford numbers? ________________________________________ From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] on behalf of David or Gary Franchi [wwwdg@webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:10 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; 'A.C.Tynes'; ironbeast@comcast.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts I checked around on the NET and found Anchor Industries makes the 2220 & 2221 engine mounts. I wrote them asking if they were made in the USA and the replied they were. (See below) Has anyone used these Anchor brand mounts on their Tiger? David Franchi ------------ Yes they are. Regards, John Leonard Anchor Industries 30775 Solon Industrial Parkway Solon, OH 44139 440-473-1414 x439 jtlanchor@oh.rr.com http://anchor-online.com/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/greg.koss@trw.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 12:54:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7A14054B for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:54:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.155]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186FB4042A for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:37:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY148-DS4 ([65.54.190.188]) by bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:30:19 -0800 From: David or Gary Franchi To: Greg Koss , rfraser@ , 'A.C.Tynes' , ironbeast@ , tigers@ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:30:18 GMT FILETIME=[B6415BD0:01CE1457] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The 2220 & 2221 are the standard aftermarket numbers for the "Tiger" mounts. They are for 1964 to 1965 Ford & Mercury 260 & 289 (Falcon, Comet). In the past I have used TRW mounts (same application) without any problem. I don't believe they are made by TRW anymore, at least I couldn't find any. David -----Original Message----- From: Greg Koss Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:18 AM To: David or Gary Franchi, rfraser@bluefrog.com, 'A.C.Tynes', ironbeast@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Can they confirm they cross to our Ford numbers? ________________________________________ From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] on behalf of David or Gary Franchi [wwwdg@webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:10 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; 'A.C.Tynes'; ironbeast@comcast.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts I checked around on the NET and found Anchor Industries makes the 2220 & 2221 engine mounts. I wrote them asking if they were made in the USA and the replied they were. (See below) Has anyone used these Anchor brand mounts on their Tiger? David Franchi ------------ Yes they are. Regards, John Leonard Anchor Industries 30775 Solon Industrial Parkway Solon, OH 44139 440-473-1414 x439 jtlanchor@oh.rr.com http://anchor-online.com/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/greg.koss@trw.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 18:28:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FF04053B for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:28:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f47.google.com (mail-oa0-f47.google.com [209.85.219.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F824051F for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:27:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id o17so55224oag.20 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:20:54 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to :x-mimeole:thread-index; bh=tbbUrhnHCOX9Vp4VLhKAgM6tYn0Zwns3U/LgB4hbBn0=; b=vuSfzDEPw5Kz05z/Ud6ZeYWkGE3chb8d3xwX4GZH2O6VIw/PJB97hCKqyOQJjobL4H dazCS7BjIV88kBG2X2+kVTYuGb2oLVzUesPTr1oo9PKPdEFAeOcy6y2VSlIWjTC4T37a IBL18XLUWBH1DiodFDE8XqSnn0fH9MMjlTQAkY0N/j/ueYVxNoBMKKF1BXrAErflfI/Z /5qPpfbP/u2wkyDMF+9yibD1V7DNzPV139vLAEaZ4EyDD48jdG+qwsZAHPqXNP5ilKqj paEgisMrrmetFv5FNkAUHfWgEtBCREvozpD6kY1fSjL1Z+Cxsdj6ys6VF84YEKX6dSJz xTaw== nd15mr439871obb.11.1361928054425; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:20:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from delld630 (adsl-108-89-242-150.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net. [108.89.242.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w10sm5021143oed.2.2013.02.26.17.20.53 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:20:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Mark Rense" To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:20:56 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4UVSehd9rB5UgmS7Glpg/muFA9rAAMbK8g Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Summit Racing has them for $8.95 each (no, that's not a typo). They are made right here in Cleveland, I'm sure they are OK for a 164 hp 260, but not my first choice for a 350 hp stroker motor. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ani-2220 http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ani-2221 Bugz -----Original Message----- From: David or Gary Franchi Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:10 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; 'A.C.Tynes'; ironbeast@comcast.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts I checked around on the NET and found Anchor Industries makes the 2220 & 2221 engine mounts. I wrote them asking if they were made in the USA and the replied they were. (See below) Has anyone used these Anchor brand mounts on their Tiger? David Franchi ------------ Yes they are. Regards, John Leonard Anchor Industries 30775 Solon Industrial Parkway Solon, OH 44139 440-473-1414 x439 jtlanchor@oh.rr.com http://anchor-online.com/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 19:54:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0554440538 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:54:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from db3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (db3ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151C240522 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:54:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail39-db3-R.bigfish.com (10.3.81.248) by DB3EHSOBE001.bigfish.com (10.3.84.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:47:05 +0000 Received: from mail39-db3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail39-db3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D591802BB; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:47:05 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail39-db3: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail39-db3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail39-db3 (MessageSwitch) id 1361933217551605_4593; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DB3EHSMHS020.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.81.241]) by mail39-db3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8944E004B; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by DB3EHSMHS020.bigfish.com (10.3.87.156) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:46:57 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT06.ad.garmin.com (10.2.0.28) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.220) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:46:52 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB01.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.1.85]) by olawpa-exht06.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.0.28]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:46:55 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Mark Rense , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Thread-Index: AQHOFFTrKnK4BgsKYEqQt+1zHnnxc5iNTU0A//+zDeA= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:46:53 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe they'd be willing to answer questions as to the designed torque rating of those mounts, and if they are amenable to (or capable of) doing an uprated design... Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Rense > Sent: February 26, 2013 6:21 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts > > Summit Racing has them for $8.95 each (no, that's not a typo). They are > made right here in Cleveland, I'm sure they are OK for a 164 hp 260, > but not my first choice for a 350 hp stroker motor. > > http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ani-2220 > http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ani-2221 > > Bugz > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David or Gary Franchi > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:10 PM > To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; 'A.C.Tynes'; ironbeast@comcast.net; > tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts > > I checked around on the NET and found Anchor Industries makes the 2220 > & > 2221 engine mounts. I wrote them asking if they were made in the USA > and the replied they were. (See below) Has anyone used these Anchor > brand mounts on their Tiger? > > David Franchi > ------------ > Yes they are. > > Regards, > > John Leonard > Anchor Industries > 30775 Solon Industrial Parkway > Solon, OH 44139 > 440-473-1414 x439 > jtlanchor@oh.rr.com > > http://anchor-online.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 11:53:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186E34055A for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:53:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from wh-qmail04.webhero.com (wh-qmail04.webhero.com [209.217.42.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B8040531 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:26:33 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18757 invoked by uid 10000); 27 Feb 2013 18:19:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO HPLaptop) (70.174.51.228) by wh-qmail04.webhero.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2013 18:19:35 -0000 From: To: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:19:23 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4VFvgovgFYrv5ZRwiEm5cSGlkVNA== Content-Language: en-us Cc: john.procida@gmail.com Subject: [Tigers] Digest up? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Haven't received a digest in a few days. Is it up or is there a problem? I sent a post days ago and haven't received any digest info since. Just checking. John _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 16:59:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D059C40539 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:59:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A4A403F2 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:28:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130228232108.UVYE28112.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:21:08 -0500 Received: from JimLaptop ([68.10.189.218]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id 5zM51l00h4j9v0L01zM6Gq; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:21:08 -0500 a=AnUmfZPwR93rhp0I5fQn+w==:17 a=UJ2VEM7H3sAA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=KXEEzPnXUPkA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=wrnlkVK_AAAA:8 a=UnzTgHv9AAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=X0We-g_vAAAA:8 a=9_VQp8O9t8nmGi555QYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=PkzaGIhe9xgA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=a0o1xVR2z_QA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=AnUmfZPwR93rhp0I5fQn+w==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Jim D'Amelio" To: "'Mark Rense'" , References: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:21:07 -0500 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQH63BM57wjkYNKRhoOA6dU7yHJ5SQDsaQnBmC74o4A= Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm afraid they lied. The Anchor Industries box has "Made In Korea" on it. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Rense Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:21 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Summit Racing has them for $8.95 each (no, that's not a typo). They are made right here in Cleveland, I'm sure they are OK for a 164 hp 260, but not my first choice for a 350 hp stroker motor. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ani-2220 http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ani-2221 Bugz -----Original Message----- From: David or Gary Franchi Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:10 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; 'A.C.Tynes'; ironbeast@comcast.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts I checked around on the NET and found Anchor Industries makes the 2220 & 2221 engine mounts. I wrote them asking if they were made in the USA and the replied they were. (See below) Has anyone used these Anchor brand mounts on their Tiger? David Franchi ------------ Yes they are. Regards, John Leonard Anchor Industries 30775 Solon Industrial Parkway Solon, OH 44139 440-473-1414 x439 jtlanchor@oh.rr.com http://anchor-online.com/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimdamelio@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 17:26:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8D44053D for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:26:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30C6403E8 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail55-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.251) by CO1EHSOBE025.bigfish.com (10.243.66.88) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:57:46 +0000 Received: from mail55-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail55-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7582CC004F; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:57:46 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: fail (mail55-co1: domain of dynastream.com does not designate 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail55-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail55-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1362095864678208_9116; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS016.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.251]) by mail55-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988F98A004F; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CO1EHSMHS016.bigfish.com (10.243.66.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:57:44 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT06.ad.garmin.com (10.2.0.28) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:58:08 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB01.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.1.85]) by olawpa-exht06.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.0.28]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:57:42 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Jim D'Amelio , 'Mark Rense' , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Thread-Index: AQHOFFTrKnK4BgsKYEqQt+1zHnnxc5iNTU0AgAMDMID//6SakA== Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:57:41 +0000 References: <001e01ce160a$4b5fb2d0$e21f1870$@cox.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That's probably okay so long as the Korean manufacturer then doesn't subcontract the mounts to some locale where cow dung is considered a structural material. Still, it's unfortunate that Anchor is not as local as you'd been led to believe by their sales staff. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim D'Amelio > Sent: February 28, 2013 4:21 PM > To: 'Mark Rense'; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts > > I'm afraid they lied. The Anchor Industries box has "Made In Korea" on > it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Mark Rense > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:21 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts > > Summit Racing has them for $8.95 each (no, that's not a typo). They are > made right here in Cleveland, I'm sure they are OK for a 164 hp 260, > but not my first choice for a 350 hp stroker motor. > > http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ani-2220 > http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ani-2221 > > Bugz > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David or Gary Franchi > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:10 PM > To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; 'A.C.Tynes'; ironbeast@comcast.net; > tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts > > I checked around on the NET and found Anchor Industries makes the 2220 > & > 2221 engine mounts. I wrote them asking if they were made in the USA > and the replied they were. (See below) Has anyone used these Anchor > brand mounts on their Tiger? > > David Franchi > ------------ > Yes they are. > > Regards, > > John Leonard > Anchor Industries > 30775 Solon Industrial Parkway > Solon, OH 44139 > 440-473-1414 x439 > jtlanchor@oh.rr.com > > http://anchor-online.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimdamelio@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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