From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 10:05:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5778940E60 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:05:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com (mail-we0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E34F40437 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:49:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id d46so453151wer.30 for ; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 08:46:21 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=v0RKVok5y8R/2mr+H4ZqoY/D+Ia7aFNbR+qhX2Xp5Ho=; b=Xe6SpCJWxCiVsBkBKA+tt/f/5DUlKX+U6n972BurSKUNxLF7xi9szDZoArwnZa/2Kq rOQZrY0wkNeNDdOSzes3jEaTTx5CTKqlfg/IjxrGxmMUw3NP7nUKXvxLuGwKZ6E3tzEI M9YqIhRM6CbAbkaRTLrKBUzZN0hWtfyiDqzt2PF/AdLZwEeK+nr5sbHP//wyM5eThKVO CWcyzUmwMXwtGZY6ixbWaqsMc/Ik/A6zddUn/BkBiowJamDIl1ST6E6fATj97Fg44p4m xW6egVuVIZ7MiX3ym4myvUrJuGoCfMNu8DLK5hEyJzguwFv8YiTR9PAbh7HL+lKAd8TV Cr6w== q20mr16879570wib.18.1364917581104; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 08:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.109.231 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 08:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:46:21 -0400 From: kevin beck To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] vent Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just courious. Where does the vent in the rear wheel well go, I can see where they go thru the wheel well and fasten to the car but thats it. Thanks Kevin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 10:37:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F94340EAA for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:37:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE7B4043D for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:08:13 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=C10Df84/zlWxGazKMRV0wNMvQ8KDCSB3RlIuqBSsw9gndCNsb9h0v9EfJgTAs4FY; h=Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.144.103.163] (helo=owner9967ddf8c) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UN3iE-0000MI-8a; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:05:30 -0500 From: "RObin Young" To: "'kevin beck'" , References: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 12:05:28 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac4vu5Z1Owz0uDh7Q2m6PdsLjqHXdQAACNIA Subject: Re: [Tigers] vent Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Kevin,Are you referring tom the drain for the rag top storage area? RObin -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of kevin beck Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:46 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] vent Just courious. Where does the vent in the rear wheel well go, I can see where they go thru the wheel well and fasten to the car but thats it. Thanks Kevin _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 10:38:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B754247A for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135E54043D for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:09:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 16:06:20 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.252] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 16:06:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 16:06:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 21729 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 2013 16:06:20 -0000 s=s1024; t=1364918780; bh=/pGBRdqRFeMywAKQs85EXS7NiIuWhIg9co+plcNYJ6Y=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yM4z2seW44tdzzufoDVXgGN+1GMf+Qy81MDjJG4en5NFDc+PexbakHecHS8ZnOkkX7rdHa4V3JmwGRDWBW71UEIaJIuN5RrnC13yN//Q3EZLPsNMqb+ZrZL6S9DL74F54VUD50Ob6Q+GpyqZoivkkSqBhqW/jj9TJ+BHfmAisL4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nILqZkgMmaMUN5gpwf+e+x9a2bTbDw8v5FZKvg73NeixPN544pYXaYheZBCS7kkbuHbF2hpjnv/FEvqVgSTKVuR+yqkV699oRZUFcKbrKLLw9pXpk2KZcX9uSCNpaAkPwl26yXeXJJ2ksT9iOOqqHk6YVpgibLU8pSYnZ0T+57k=; O.OrH8hYrKZ3.RT9naoFaJ71zZwNSsSO28mrg86Fs6ejZionEVruN5lr9hXh RmxCI6SP85CFpjZiOyXJQsU4sIiuOu9sNxU4g7S07uydOoXZTHkazKbS3Qn3 pELPG7JU_ZjmL8g7clF7AS.Eljo74ULMKfu_XUrlrxardCZTeMdvEGJMfflJ HEoXJaDzQLDjG_FzbIeBDEhsRrnqaKrAy2Y.JwOVmCYA0Gi6V1cDCPCg5QgN 89K6pi8PpQ_iMnT2cy.gSpDIT9CCJVjx1YVIaXlc0t9CioaGweZMw4GGjfdk _Oi3T7jcE1Muu81_Aee_5vvyg3D8cfuyEOiUFRlf4yZ.xDvNBeZMkMJjDrL2 UGqrC50gr7cumoDOrWMG7puk3lCh7WWNw56xeVt23.Cev0wT3oCIO2f5LHTT 2NFotrRRIIWT2MymWuw.hrprtu1DcLU5vZ_aN1X6TgZzso2AlFVaqMTq5oba nUWrD Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web124704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 09:06:20 PDT V2hhdCBpcyB0aGUgY29ycmVjdCByb3V0aW5nIG9mIHRoZSBsb25nICsgYmF0dGVyeSBjYWJsZSBmb3IgNjYgTWsgMUE_DQrCoA0KVGhhbmtzDQpKb2VsIE1hcnRpbgEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:06:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Battery cable routing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net What is the correct routing of the long + battery cable for 66 Mk 1A? Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 10:38:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C354246F for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:38:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com (mail-ve0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF5440398 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:18:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ox1so704665veb.21 for ; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 09:15:19 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=I5GxsfDnmqtveXXtzdoVwg32BubG3QmnUm2ujN6wSOo=; b=P3WIXGtmhxk7C2gs/IeFAppeYhY1oKoqCJ9skjez5r+8OjwSY702uNsEDn9/l8jSHY wkrdIDd+SsLRsX5cvJx7bwpbIWxQo+fDUQmR2DjMLX0hl6HHOh55nsyRDbuXjdwSpnzW bxjzl8ScfWKnKi8cKqAhPp5SFL41fjrMPtzuFGpDO9RCnSunXVEpcXVmjt1phrA4qjHu WKEhzyhoEIIT/XPYHKWL34+xiTXsPKK/2jxdCCdA0SYJy5qFWuObD0sqhAVODaNicHLb hkKFxPNhYt0oey623QWACWpK1QYcdIMsZ67lwXe9pOQMmjPeJxifo0exzHOkVwOS9f8D OxOA== wb9mr11122736vdb.65.1364919319338; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 09:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.50.201 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:15:19 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:15:19 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: kevin beck Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] vent Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It has been a long time. But I recall one hole for the shoulder harness nut and one might have had a tube for a drain from the convertible top storage area. On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 8:46 AM, kevin beck wrote: > Just courious. Where does the vent in the rear wheel well go, I can see > where they go thru the wheel well and fasten to the car but thats it. > Thanks Kevin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 11:08:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3CF40552 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:08:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806AF403E7 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:45:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r32Gh7iv016533; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:43:07 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189335) id dm0213.5152682f.197bbe; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:42:56 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'kevin beck'" , Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 12:42:17 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac4vu42EZtM5/aP/SSWWEe+cvuexOAAA4Yog engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-02_07:2013-04-02,2013-04-02,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304020142 Subject: Re: [Tigers] vent Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Kevin It took me a bit of head scratching to understand your question. I think your asking about the water drain for the convertible top gutter. There is a rubber hose that connects under the convertible top hinge and runs through the rear wheel well. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of kevin beck Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:46 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] vent Just courious. Where does the vent in the rear wheel well go, I can see where they go thru the wheel well and fasten to the car but thats it. Thanks Kevin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 13:12:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1215240EB5 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 13:12:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5144F4040A for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 12:58:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130402185534.SNAF17049.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:55:34 -0400 Received: from eastrmwml108 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id K6va1l00M4h0NJL016vaCY; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:55:34 -0400 a=bENEpq3cMdtpUbxQdl6FjA==:17 a=AZA-o9WjyLMA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=CyzUf8MF-v8A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=6gb4CGhFKT0A:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=fPxk4LB0dyNn3F_HVVwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=bENEpq3cMdtpUbxQdl6FjA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 15.211.201.82 by webmail.east.cox.net; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 18:55:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:55:34 -0700 From: To: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] Battery cable routing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Starting in the trunk. It goes through a hole in divider that covers the right side gas tank/ Goes over the top of the right side wheel well. drops down to the floor and travels forward on the floor next to the door sill. It is covered by a cardboard piece that the carpet rest on to create space for it. Goes up the firewall and through a hole under the brake booster. ---- Joel Martin wrote: > What is the correct routing of the long + battery cable for 66 Mk 1A? > > Thanks > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 13:27:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8432240526 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 13:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og116.obsmtp.com (exprod5og116.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5218640417 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 13:02:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpmlip10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.5.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob116.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUVsqjQScEBbyXIiWiAvQe8LoslacIHeX@postini.com; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:59:29 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO cinmlef06.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.213.37]) by alpmlip10.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 02 Apr 2013 14:59:24 -0400 Received: from alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.18.12]) by cinmlef06.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:59:24 -0400 Received: from CINMLCH02.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.51]) by alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:59:20 -0400 Received: from CINMBAPD07.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.46) by CINMLCH02.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:59:14 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.1.83]) by CINMBAPD07.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.9.36]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:59:14 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: Right Front Inner Fender Details Thread-Index: Ac4v1Cs8bAJtEr1cRbO/lieeH0SjBA== Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 18:59:13 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.191] FILETIME=[2EE0A6D0:01CE2FD4] Subject: [Tigers] Right Front Inner Fender Details Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi All, Does anyone have a picture of the correct brake tubing/electrical routing through the inner fender holes under the generator? I'm trying to correct some wrongs on my car. Please send directly or steer me to a web address. Thanks, Bugz _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 15:28:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B21406B1 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:28:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C664042E for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:09:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 17:07:02 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 17:07:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers - New England TAC date Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Folks, I just learned that we are having trouble finding the necessary three inspectors for the New England TAC inspection for May 11. For now, we're still planning on a Spring date for the inspection, but it looks as though the date of May 11 is the sticking point, and it may need to be advanced. I will keep everyone posted, and we may know by the end of the week. The people already looking for an inspection are as follows: Don A. Mark L. Jeff R. Tym M. John M. Owain L. George R. Again, I will keep everyone posted on any news about the TAC session. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 20:22:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9536140ED6 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:22:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660244056A for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:52:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0143E380000BA for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfe003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.120.139]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CBA34E000081 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:49:23 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:49:23 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1364953763; bh=YLZMWb9gPHiObTPyLNZfPgWN9TmWHwMFsGaoA1hB9is=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IYFr8L4bGgSWahrP9xvm6zoPZx4yahlfYunCevD3QNVzeD2fEGE7eS9v25UldaC7t 8UEpkOg75biOF4Rhfy219KXuSuDvYHcOJPAiA2cQEP5GOm4J0seYQQnPcHyyL6JU3Z DH8LHhEo9NDLoCTq17FlAN3+0Pqiv8mde2Edlce8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b515b8aa379a2 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.ebay.com/itm/221208987178?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984. m1438.l2649#ht_152wt_1006 I have a set of these on my 66. Look and sound great and fit very well. If you need a set this is a good deal. I have no financial interest in this. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 06:07:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D6142268 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 06:07:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f172.google.com (mail-ia0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88D54056A for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 05:51:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f172.google.com with SMTP id l29so1173053iag.31 for ; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 04:48:22 -0700 (PDT) s=google; h=x-received:message-id:content-type:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:date:subject:from:in-reply-to:to :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance; bh=bLk2dzFxTQqEhTpR/Izy67M6Mms0sZqa9I+ing2eqs4=; b=O5tbHRL4ktAgp0BsfvPMv6N7N42EgshMsiieaqQvsfB6XKXCwKoZV1NCCtA4BOHrTm xx0AZAZlRqiu9EB/M2RXlLKmn5xzW8IkDjPreg1L91QnuJS2RYjz7XtE9pM5kzUXF/9W jzHpLeb4nyQ14j7ugOvUGERgHrt+qHndilbOw= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:content-type:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:date:subject:from:in-reply-to:to :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-gm-message-state; bh=bLk2dzFxTQqEhTpR/Izy67M6Mms0sZqa9I+ing2eqs4=; b=Xasn15cBPoDOyUW9NAHqA11Sq/qo1GTyk+9hepf/fwHPz4yH4VrRPDnGTJZ2gsUpCA 049Mq+ViosyNix28ekJBTqE5opN7E+kjXqvhnif5QedS1kBz1uDJLz4BCv1xIc09fnPm noxQT5+9MZo6ciztrDnxCRSBdBITf1qOxz2hlunqK0wn9NRq0a+eEFyTO6qlONF98an9 uX7QSYncQrlhGUZ6ZfZp82hsXPvfem0SZlGHpMRBsd3FUmlSI9eB0ONYd866BFXNTvxi lRD+Bod+HIoedjKDxFWlm1yWbQf+ghY+hYl3x+IsTE4MaK7sN0MfR6zJOE+1ETC3rZNk k1yA== rq9mr868202igb.33.1364989702010; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 04:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.114.23.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ua6sm8219329igb.0.2013.04.03.04.48.19 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Apr 2013 04:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 04:48:21 -0700 (PDT) From: dave@munroe.ca To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 10:07:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85E1429D6 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:07:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f50.google.com (mail-vb0-f50.google.com [209.85.212.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433B74283B for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 09:45:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id w15so549914vbb.37 for ; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 08:42:51 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=nSuWhK81b5+SJ6uNmcCMRXjzsDxWDEgmJYz4tt/grec=; b=ciTXqK5qINt4YXPDC4nBpw6AHCrVdfSIR5kXmWT8l54tZ3mqlN+tIvMbP+Kt1uAnDw jm6M2OKcTWrJalvQ8mrvzOICyJd2yevcUpEkHm4ifVX9DtslJflNYFgCRot+ntV1NOgc FqCL69AFvL9Ov3N/1HteTXwsMkBCKLmVp2yHc= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=nSuWhK81b5+SJ6uNmcCMRXjzsDxWDEgmJYz4tt/grec=; b=h2ONxSI0fhscIbvuRbMU0BZVuhMPiSImY/0O/v2VAgK5xXXnhrr5dzn+JJ6wNh7JVZ FQsWzX2+Nspiwbjqje1sCoXr0tsFm93prtWC+EZHfq0qo0YzLBf/0Z9OOQtgsHU6G3rB jVqYTyj+LRijI2Oqk5UkTNQAuYWonHEnECvgj1BIkRpVE29Nfw2a7p5IZGy9mCTGU7g+ 9dMKFXk12pQ4VFmMljy9Crs1/WO4Ic85q1ZvNrUSuGx5f9kqqWZlfluvEtAzs3xxF7w7 4sw+eQ7W1/O8QsKplHIfs3i4MRkcC75BQtNwXUPZ8/EFFAUrG6Wh2XFxoOUwFhEvXca0 IjMA== p4mr1264874vde.128.1365003771560; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 08:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DavePC (DRMONS0540W-156034170254.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net. [156.34.170.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l18sm6611278vdh.10.2013.04.03.08.42.50 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Apr 2013 08:42:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Munroe" To: , References: <17e1e.467f10fd.3e8ce4a3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 12:42:50 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net No question - these are great pipes. They are an incredibly good fit. Practically leap onto your car and install themselves. They look great and sound original. I have these on my car and love them. I have no financial or other interest but when a product comes along that is this good, it needs to be endorsed. Buy them while they last! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:49 PM Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay > http://www.ebay.com/itm/221208987178?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984. > m1438.l2649#ht_152wt_1006 > > I have a set of these on my 66. Look and sound great and fit very well. If > you need a set this is a good deal. I have no financial interest in this. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 10:23:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530CC429E1 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:23:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEFB40434 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:00:15 -0600 (MDT) c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1365004646; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=xN7dWAt3MYoThOXB/iOjFX9oAGo=; b=aLWT+JByiGdOP8+nq5Zc8+bnBYShJtIKwvvqkaqtOWLps/uUqPIrFrnXB5PuqjvQ /jf3l1YYYHmMcwIh07s4CPG98SAezWNxi7uJcDHOo4yhXVMb+5nB7bWP/5uA5puW; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=VHR75LDRdwNiv49K1R9BLQ==:17 a=GB3e2FDry7EA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=7IUZempXijEA:10 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=PMZ_lAnQOMGFWsgleewA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=VHR75LDRdwNiv49K1R9BLQ==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp04.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=wseay@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.48.131.223] ([71.48.131.223:12627] helo=xpseay) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPA id FE/35-28797-6615C515; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 11:57:26 -0400 From: "Will Seay" To: , References: <17e1e.467f10fd.3e8ce4a3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:57:30 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac4wEbY3GaQI9DuoQ1GOJlJt66MO7AAcggag Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net $100 "economy" shipping seems a bit steep to me Will Seay_____________ wseay@embarqmail.com "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:49 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay http://www.ebay.com/itm/221208987178?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984. m1438.l2649#ht_152wt_1006 I have a set of these on my 66. Look and sound great and fit very well. If you need a set this is a good deal. I have no financial interest in this. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 11:09:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDA942A41 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E68B4283B for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:48:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 14085 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2013 16:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (67.202.155.97) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2013 16:45:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 09:45:04 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <17e1e.467f10fd.3e8ce4a3@aol.com> <000001ce3083$f31fce40$d95f6ac0$@com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net You ever ship a pile of pipe? Takes up a lot of room and hard to handle to boot. Plus may be a bit heavy also. mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 4/3/2013 8:57 AM, Will Seay wrote: > $100 "economy" shipping seems a bit steep to me > > Will Seay_____________ > wseay@embarqmail.com > "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of AAAGLASSS@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:49 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/221208987178?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984. > m1438.l2649#ht_152wt_1006 > > I have a set of these on my 66. Look and sound great and fit very well. If you > need a set this is a good deal. I have no financial interest in this. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 11:25:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5E542A6B for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:25:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f177.google.com (mail-ve0-f177.google.com [209.85.128.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F664283B for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f177.google.com with SMTP id jw11so1880406veb.36 for ; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 09:58:29 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=CmbRFixMdiTyp6SamQ2oNf6HS8cikdqP0A8v2A8eG5g=; b=oZ1PUzsotIXQJKRGFukYX877tymiOeVar5vcTa3aKkMkC7XS/EzThhQrUfXEFl0w4b r2uR7pNJR5CboYXI0dS5LZu2YmQDvaTrLSusrBXdZybJtoq0RnT4Ppwf0BqyT7OyMoyg eutpTN2W/G+DAgutdA16mvDMonhCBLUUp2hy8= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=CmbRFixMdiTyp6SamQ2oNf6HS8cikdqP0A8v2A8eG5g=; b=cCe3d280+gE/8bpXYkMNBnyVVxKxTt2lA5KkKcQmZF0tu7BTZFESJqTMCEyCt1VoXU B/PdyeVbfrUKmTjTZpin/nkaiR76f7FjXB1Pn8yIs0Gg2KRfZsEX8dO49duLnQRFnDuD qsqZez256SC5Vd0L94KqX96lLLrCD+iyc0QV/qyTKb/stcvtOnOLziVkytYAZvFSOWmi YmGbzaFH6+bBbRLjn//rvkDml5y1tiwd1vy7O52BsYanwvqpJX4BQtHdAJkioNkZCsdI Ef/U3JRN38miOsNrn16gfKSgFBcfEDZP5T9uyWc/vTK3NcBKnKNPx6EAutsjlmQqJamx 9TQw== tn2mr1827536vec.57.1365008308842; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 09:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DavePC (DRMONS0540W-156034170254.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net. [156.34.170.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ln6sm451632vec.4.2013.04.03.09.58.27 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Apr 2013 09:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Munroe" To: "Will Seay" , , References: <17e1e.467f10fd.3e8ce4a3@aol.com> <000001ce3083$f31fce40$d95f6ac0$@com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:58:27 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, Will: Packing a complete set of pipes and mufflers takes a very large box. Shipping is crazy expensive these days. It's all about the price of oil. Not much any of us can do about that! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Seay" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay > $100 "economy" shipping seems a bit steep to me > > Will Seay_____________ > wseay@embarqmail.com > "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of AAAGLASSS@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:49 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/221208987178?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984. > m1438.l2649#ht_152wt_1006 > > I have a set of these on my 66. Look and sound great and fit very well. If > you > need a set this is a good deal. I have no financial interest in this. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 11:42:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD4742B1A for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:42:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe006.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73C54226D for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:15:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail23-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.225) by VA3EHSOBE001.bigfish.com (10.7.40.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:13:02 +0000 Received: from mail23-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail23-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236AB1600BD; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:13:02 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail23-va3: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail23-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail23-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1365009180408641_467; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS021.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.246]) by mail23-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534A42C0052; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by VA3EHSMHS021.bigfish.com (10.7.99.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:13:00 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.179) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 12:13:43 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.100]) by OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.179]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 12:12:58 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay Thread-Index: AQHOMBG2vasxjMxK3UqJFFRb1I/sK5jE+5IAgAANSgD//7JhcA== Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:12:57 +0000 References: <17e1e.467f10fd.3e8ce4a3@aol.com> <000001ce3083$f31fce40$d95f6ac0$@com> <515C5C90.8010005@mayfco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Exactly. Nevermind when it has to cross the border and you get dinged with customs brokerage in addition to the cost of shipping. Less-than-TruckLoad (LTL) freight is built around pallet-sized things, not so much weight. Unless all those pieces of pipe are each shorter than about five feet (so they can be put on a pallet diagonally), you may pay for two pallets or else for a 'finicky to handle' surcharge. If you ship by UPS, then you also get the 'just because we can' charges. UPS is generally good inside the US, but border crossings tend to peg their JBWC meter. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield > Sent: April 3, 2013 10:45 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay > > You ever ship a pile of pipe? Takes up a lot of room and hard to handle > to boot. Plus may be a bit heavy also. > > mayf > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > > On 4/3/2013 8:57 AM, Will Seay wrote: > > $100 "economy" shipping seems a bit steep to me > > > > Will Seay_____________ > > wseay@embarqmail.com > > "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS@aol.com > > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:49 PM > > To: tigers@autox.team.net > > Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/221208987178?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p > 3984. > > m1438.l2649#ht_152wt_1006 > > > > I have a set of these on my 66. Look and sound great and fit very > > well. If you need a set this is a good deal. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 12:13:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C491F42CD3 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 12:13:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og117.obsmtp.com (exprod5og117.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424DC429D6 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpmlip14.e2k.ad.ge.com ([12.43.191.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob117.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUVxsiH+2NlSCcLid6js1Zfy5CQMrMWqi@postini.com; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:53:20 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO alpmlef01.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.18.10]) by alpmlip14.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 03 Apr 2013 13:52:40 -0400 Received: from cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.213.93]) by alpmlef01.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:52:40 -0400 Received: from CINMLCH02.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.51]) by cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:52:38 -0400 Received: from CINMBAPD08.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.47) by CINMLCH02.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:52:35 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.1.83]) by CINMBAPD08.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.10.223]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:52:34 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay Thread-Index: AQHOMI2gKBC42vyCWEmINehFvbFwdZjExhMQ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:52:34 +0000 References: <17e1e.467f10fd.3e8ce4a3@aol.com> <000001ce3083$f31fce40$d95f6ac0$@com> <515C5C90.8010005@mayfco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.191] FILETIME=[07B68BE0:01CE3094] Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well of course those pipes will cost more to ship, they're made to Imperial dimensions... :>) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:45 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay You ever ship a pile of pipe? Takes up a lot of room and hard to handle to boot. Plus may be a bit heavy also. mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 4/3/2013 8:57 AM, Will Seay wrote: > $100 "economy" shipping seems a bit steep to me > > Will Seay_____________ > wseay@embarqmail.com > "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 12:33:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CD142E40 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 12:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9F642DCC for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 12:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4D1F41C0000F8 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfd001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.120.67]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1988AE000088 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:14:14 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:14:13 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365012854; bh=oMObrHmkWcWwqV78hyMC/8+N7pUC+ZHJ+VXUrCQOCcw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=thlT7nUHA0P+xIkXu3GA9bWFoyY5ZekDwQLCN0yTWmT+1NVEcdm+Xwij/7uwoJjsQ qKOcA82jMLdhQdRwNgSiBmoIrjg2ZbB+nxHrsDKSTaOK4tq2jiz7EQvDw7rytYrfDq 9lvs80eCM1ZTZjyU3wwqt3zTWCDEpYASNdx17SoQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc515c71763026 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net They sold them all. In a message dated 4/3/2013 11:11:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mark.rense@ge.com writes: Well of course those pipes will cost more to ship, they're made to Imperial dimensions... :>) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:45 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay You ever ship a pile of pipe? Takes up a lot of room and hard to handle to boot. Plus may be a bit heavy also. mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 4/3/2013 8:57 AM, Will Seay wrote: > $100 "economy" shipping seems a bit steep to me > > Will Seay_____________ > wseay@embarqmail.com > "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 13:11:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E5142EAD for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:11:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96B742E10 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 12:48:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.105] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2013 18:45:28 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.83] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2013 18:45:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2013 18:45:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 87874 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Apr 2013 18:45:28 -0000 s=s1024; t=1365014728; bh=5jTGxjwGP8K20a+LmKRuXin0In+yNBBuseBddIimqSY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=it7OLNhSNMLkGYMc9FvF6ebV6O2SJH3bc2mWr1Tk9aB2EQ5UQQZO07E7bZU0Sm6vn4mFk2qHUTP3eQWVSHZbrk5T9zlMM4kbcY7d/bq1s69/sRw46Qq/vS0YtUWRsU+Cjx3yP9TnrKo03jF1I2c7TSQ6B4nyqWmcMHc9qXsvZ0k= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MhysCP5p1XSAR9Moj1W7AtYpiXyvmHjipTnm9B2uuUyB4oVBWO7jAyCu2SfZGNE665fBeBd3odpR2uRgLTS3nOswsQWeH37ry5DI0VbCwOdRNccdB7J8alx0n9aQ5hq5iYBhV0jXqy1DCt3/MDoeZAfIwv8bKcEg4avsGKNdwBw=; wHGsROLTR3su08o3tMLt89zzoeCG9qlyu1e84MpTtQh4Mgw2bPYwzV6I2EnR Hx5Xsdvg3ZAxPj_UbsJzlWSD6PIJAr.uGzhL6zGQYf_m6slyYpFdYLmtBGmz enkaJSEvGDouC6fpr.VqzycpfdmG5giOPxcftyTLUNtZa8d9T7K41GHNrG1u F.YhE6dyjv17bVTyYhysEsdna91HNzRT8AtSlv0vlRRzTpgiza5EGTk45bfY orqOF5l6MLa8FsLuJ8dez25QT8iPfWP_Ctltd3yG.I6YfG6fB6SNLGgtxtx7 6DAfV2TmMcwPQ_Ou9IUgyBzTSHI5yDmKPAgLg1n17q9cQrR0rc_NUHP12ZwL rBnhE3.1yZCejd8tdjCfiaBYa4r4lL1VA_EjJATOHHcw4aiCgwgXSdC_yH8E H2wa5diStZygtY_VSuuwHmxD5u3A0ESi9YpduxAd7rptJRbBVWBNG5AsXI1P 6lnItNB3.em30ElVjBbQJYjy5BRtHK6deOpF8jWwz69vHzlg4D8vRGUX2LsY cSbivPnCdB1IpvdFf6Oe_s7fRLL49ZsZpUUMhV_3.K9F6ne4g7FD4dkObaQ_ pppq0.MzRGoe8blJKQSJ1W4S2wQudwZAIFG_B7o15M5dlccEk4edXxyK.IDD mdlqG Received: from [71.142.214.140] by web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 11:45:27 PDT SG93IGRvIHRoZXkgY29tcGFyZSB0byBTdW5iZWFtIFNwZWNpYWx0aWVzIHBpcGVzPz8NCg0KVGhleSBhcmUgYWJvdXQgdGhlIHNhbWUgcHJpY2UsIHNoaXBwaW5nIGlzIGNoZWFwZXIsIGFzIHRoZXkgYXJlIGZyb20gdGhlIFVTQS4NCsKgDQoNCi0tLSBPbiBXZWQsIDQvMy8xMywgQUFBR0xBU1NTQGFvbC5jb20gPEFBQUdMQVNTU0Bhb2wuY29tPiB3cm90ZToNCg0KDQpGcm9tOiBBQUFHTEFTU1NAYW9sLmNvbSA8QUFBR0xBU1NTQGFvbC5jb20.DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogW1RpZ2Vyc10gRXhoYXVzdCBvbiBFLWIBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:45:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg To: tigers@autox.team.net, AAAGLASSS@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net How do they compare to Sunbeam Specialties pipes?? They are about the same price, shipping is cheaper, as they are from the USA. --- On Wed, 4/3/13, AAAGLASSS@aol.com wrote: From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, April 3, 2013, 11:14 AM They sold them all. In a message dated 4/3/2013 11:11:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mark.rense@ge.com writes: Well of course those pipes will cost more to ship, they're made to Imperial dimensions... :>) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:45 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust on E-bay You ever ship a pile of pipe? Takes up a lot of room and hard to handle to boot. Plus may be a bit heavy also. mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 4/3/2013 8:57 AM, Will Seay wrote: > $100 "economy" shipping seems a bit steep to me > > Will Seay_____________ > wseay@embarqmail.com > "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tiger-65@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 06:50:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C720243950 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 06:50:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13413424B8 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 06:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 12:29:10 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.169] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 12:29:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1070.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 12:29:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 28617 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2013 12:29:10 -0000 s=s1024; t=1365078550; bh=ohQNIoKpm4CAyHnwV0vvgzyfIxXpWZxpo5o+p5FXvu0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Neiy9Agwl/KNu8kxHZ0jNY2qurAFgQ5WDjfYgA12qW/iKL7vcBC4CSm8GmPJkrpdpQ5ni4FTxkMRhFxlkFXEQcCGZQflYfMdGjowiyyrv2awbLSz9uXw45hKnMDM9bZYMkDWX15mqGFaDBsItAkjwdjAuUDZ0ottQORJGnZqUPw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=szL+iAnOvN90li0rDfh6o6XioFAbnMfnDvh8Dtc4BHZIvfZwpSMCvXgoWUbwXRVz55/InuYPA7PBFWLx1iDDoyBxo/K1frD+BWcJd7364Ik3uB/56o5bUVtYTh63NonTHY64Z5dBM0felqvw4mJgS/U2uCVWppR8DGZcvum1auo=; Kz.uVYXY6JWJUn6K0a9D8LosDJR4p4qkERz3asJ_bIEAHUSTG7uWvxHra1aA LjIiG4WWJS6dC1EZeGgHqGCR.Shqzg.QuN1EosTtVFk8Q8fDJQUz7sVXCqoz sp.Tsz_ya2.24J8lemcJF9loYshOkXDbHDRGXod0JILdw9RfUbh72jDZGmQC 77ak5AHH3EMOntDmxhL5p_TgLAdKDQnkB96sLjG8OWcEThxsyrdNNrz.QbgR _k2585Um1cLGZzpaA41FrxjY6z7lhKAMI.oj7j4VrR1wp0qaupAYH1gFnVFI GTMRCdMu_8qMnf3udEksyb4OS53_wl2fGA5I4pfgnZDCxvPVXHjyKzQTLj2H 8A11h36hVYj9w9D6MyJ8kALc6nWRnHezW5z_CMZ.4VarL5yuOa8Li3ZuAmeQ XrVvBFk25jWW5F_TnVp.oHkMpAniUabqM.vWTsICu7e9jhCwjDW3pgy50QvB K Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web124704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 05:29:09 PDT DQoNCg0KDQoNClRoaXMgaXMgd2hhdCBJIGhhdmUgbGVhcm5lZCBmcm9tIHRoZSBtb3RvciBtb3VudCBkaXNjdXNzaW9uIGFuZCB0aGUgcHVyY2hhc2Ugb2YgMiBzZXRzLg0KwqANCkZlZGVyYWwgTW9nZWwgUHJlY2lzaW9uIG9yIE1vb2cgbW91bnRzIGFyZSBub3QgY29uc2lzdGVudCB0aGlja25lc3Mgb2YgcnViYmVyIGZyb20gc2lkZSB0byBzaWRlLsKgwqAgcmlnaHQgd2FzIDEiIHRoaWNrIGFuZMKgIGxlZnQgd2FzIDEuMjUiIHRoaWNrIGFuZCB0aGUgbW90b3IgZGlkIG5vdCBzaXQgZXZlbmx5Lg0KwqANClQBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 05:29:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Motor Mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is what I have learned from the motor mount discussion and the purchase of 2 sets. Federal Mogel Precision or Moog mounts are not consistent thickness of rubber from side to side. right was 1" thick and left was 1.25" thick and the motor did not sit evenly. The supplemental CAT notes indicated the TRW part numbers to be 82220 left and 82221 right are no longer available that I could find. The discussion of using the Anchor mounts , which can be sourced locally from Advanced, are made in the USA and are part numbers 2220 left and 2221 right. Both were 1.25" thick from side to side. Now the motor sits evenly. It has also been recommended by 2 very knowledgeable list members that 5/16" bolts, nuts and washers should be installed on 'either" side of the center bolt on the mount as the rubber does not seem to hold up and will sage within a short time. Now that I have written this, is there some unwritten rule about listing manufacture's and part numbers to protect our very few and dedicated sunbeam suppliers - British Victoria excluded as I do not recall seeing this very often? I continue to learn 'daily' from your knowledge and appreciate the responses. Regards Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 08:06:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7767542AB9 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:06:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBF342AF4 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 07:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 13:35:42 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.192] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 13:35:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1050.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 13:35:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 7176 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2013 13:35:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1365082542; bh=VKRvC9avNRPVZ6eq19htxESMEoelBRsvFOSIRrD4uzA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mpDKusiXy+d8HMOTpHSOLXM1lkv4wPyzcM3xcTyn5n2PtDAktuGBHeq1quWhaSY26+XnQ8gX2fu4juxphWKfjXrsVOwPw2/KFE6IiEGWrn/0iFRo07Rpv0DMQgt64sgpx16OU3+V6xnNpa7oPmGWJZCrF0pmmE9XLnYS8hC7Nwg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=glrfHig16fGHc11c4073kDyN9P29lVCg98pvHonuUnwWTvkXokz8qfPqKRzcQL90giHCNOMlfk7SQc0F/sawWOyzRDleS4s4BNJuqxhGU+FAHR7g0uoPUlAs+3c8AT/svvri5hNKScIo0uSGivJacBIqijdHZO4PoIK6o8j2SJo=; 1DpykLUffGLrPGjaEzsHyoRKh8vTH8XCdNH80Lrxwv3yFuC7jOjzmp8AVxiO 1gnchC6ZBwPHRaJ3WeT5oSJqTYrkqE2Yh8que5PhD0zqsn7xAFo_lG9pmhax gnSywjjKAX8saVDkGKLRx0sV1itFsr6Z8RdIcJCD8sL7_FDh2YzHpk4tOsGb 4EtygZ6Nec2lR42K1GK7T0dmAtE4YDS6u1rBAhM0r2hy1aCMnSdE4Q65MFhs 7x3ea7fomF_GCjkVrK8CS8nz1csScXunE4sEYOOaqI.2RbkLA1ukiBNZcHVR N_YKdfEJTq.l2NYrfQ8FwLxoHt5SSoCxJbVvTo.LAHH1DKw9bhvLT6erKPs5 isP06ILlcrpMH6vmMDR0TAiKBxgGm03rJmodQPd1DPU6BnRVO.Bcfw8HRRnm 1ORCYRNYSOBPoaEVzlhwAm3tOVqnpS5ddmdSQIEMKi9ZI1b267PxxpTTD_BA - Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 06:35:41 PDT SSBhbSB3YW50aW5nIHRvIGNvbnZlcnQgZnJvbSBnZXJuZXJhdG9yIHRvIGFsdGVybmF0b3Igc2V0dXAgZm9yIGEgMjg5IEhpUG8gbW90b3IgaW4gYSA2NiBNSyAxQS7CoCBDYW4gYW55b25lIHByb3ZpZGUgcGFydCBudW1iZXJzLCBicmFja2V0cyB0byB1c2UsIHdpcmluZyBjb25zaWRlcmF0aW9ucyBldGMgaW4gbWFraW5nIHRoaXMgY29udmVyc2lvbj8NCsKgDQpUaGFua3MNCsKgDQpKb2VsIE1hcnRpbgEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 06:35:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I am wanting to convert from gernerator to alternator setup for a 289 HiPo motor in a 66 MK 1A. Can anyone provide part numbers, brackets to use, wiring considerations etc in making this conversion? Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 08:23:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EEDB439A7 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B34340412 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:03:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0F29E1C0000BA; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mld005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mld005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.122.83]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CA9A4E000081; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:00:17 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:00:17 -0400 (EDT) To: Phastphill@aol.com, JimPSPB@gmail.com, PRScompany@prscompany.com, Ocean726@aol.com, sjhcobra1@cs.com, GRMTim@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365084018; bh=OSFVtGUfg2Hp0vKcA3uSBEYzNAgQI0ZF0FWd735/xkg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fqh6yYW6Zjr9/p20fIr6L5/M8zHfjj8c8fsC3Wlwz8ATjQoQNleiZrMdoPHEFiO6F ndxovZXqJ+NM8ymWHzxotGwquRb8yiybmpTfcAyX3W7Qg3HuTXLn7ki9xnjZx/9Z8L bRQVJnh5vY9EX59rFX6hiK22EE5t02rX5VeAlE/A= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c515d87714a65 Subject: [Tigers] Trip to Pinellas Park Florida Car Museum Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tiger Owners, We have a trip scheduled to the Florida (Pinellas Park) Auto Museum for next Wednesday, April 10th at 11:00. We might decide to get lunch somewhere after. Information and location on the museum can be found on the sites below. This is a chance to see innovative cars in a private collection that you will probably see nowhere else. Admission is $8 and $6 for seniors. Any Tiger owners and other car nuts are welcome to join us. Mark Lafayette PS Check out the Fardier.....the world's first machine to be able to move under it's own power. 1770? Who would have thought that motor vehicles started that early). _pinellas park car museum - Google Search_ (https://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=8&gs_ri=psy-ab&gs_mss=pinellas%20park%20car%20m&tok=lX9eMdukJxi5dR7SDV- NQw&cp=21&gs_id=2a&xhr=t&q=pinellas+park+car+museum&es_nrs=true&pf=p&output= search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=pinellas+park+car+mus&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf. &bvm=bv.44697112,d.eWU&fp=39e1e4d0175b3f36&biw=1363&bih=547) _Tampa Bay Automobile Museum, in Tampa, Florida, features vintage cars and vehi_ (http://tbauto.org/) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 08:40:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F90043A24 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:40:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe010.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.30]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B14E4009B for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:13:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail197-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.241) by VA3EHSOBE014.bigfish.com (10.7.40.64) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:10:53 +0000 Received: from mail197-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail197-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3039600CA; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:10:53 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail197-va3: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail197-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail197-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1365084651116732_9807; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS025.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.236]) by mail197-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17997E0052; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by VA3EHSMHS025.bigfish.com (10.7.99.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:10:48 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com (10.2.1.219) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:11:08 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.100]) by OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.1.219]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:10:13 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Thread-Index: AQHOMT05xBPBkvLEC0yVtcZc1gQpWpjGGEwA Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:10:13 +0000 References: <1365082541.95229.YahooMailClassic@web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The last issue of Tiger Tracks (the STOA publication) showed a new(?) bracket by Bill Martin at the Rootes Group Depot. $500 for the bracket, IIRC. There are a whole bunch of different ways it can be done, depending on your willingness to scrounge parts and how neatly you want it to tuck away. The small Denso alternators can fit a lot closer to the block than the full-size Ford or GM alternators, but I don't think anyone has made a standardized mount for them. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin > Sent: April 4, 2013 7:36 AM > To: Tiger List Serve > Subject: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion > > I am wanting to convert from gernerator to alternator setup for a 289 > HiPo motor in a 66 MK 1A. Can anyone provide part numbers, brackets to > use, wiring considerations etc in making this conversion? > > Thanks > > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 09:59:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF3B544271 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:59:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1627F40417 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:07:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r34F4ajI025166; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:05:06 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id sj1-dm103.515bae64.70e82; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:04:48 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.150.155]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:04:44 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:04:40 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac4xMp6keCP/Yuw3QnOEMp3O+OkVXQAEFdEg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-04_06:2013-04-04,2013-04-04,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304040122 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Motor Mounts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel There is no unwritten rule about part numbers. You do need to realize that the Sunbeam Parts Vendors have spent years and lots of money finding and maintaining the correct parts for Sunbeam Cars. We need to support that effort. I do believe that we the customers need to record any new parts that work on our cars. The Vendors can pick up on that and order quantity of the parts so we all can benefit. I'm glad you listed the problems you found with the motor mounts. Tiger Tom and Rick spent a good deal of time convincing Robins that the soft top they were manufacturing for the Sunbeam was cut wrong. They had to show Robins an original top so they could correct their pattern. I showed Tiger Tom a couple of items which I thought were good matches for some Tiger parts that he did not have in his catalog. Tiger Tom followed up on those leads and soon listed them. Tiger Tom and Rick worked closely so when one of them had a new item, they both did. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 8:29 AM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Motor Mounts This is what I have learned from the motor mount discussion and the purchase of 2 sets. Federal Mogel Precision or Moog mounts are not consistent thickness of rubber from side to side. right was 1" thick and left was 1.25" thick and the motor did not sit evenly. The supplemental CAT notes indicated the TRW part numbers to be 82220 left and 82221 right are no longer available that I could find. The discussion of using the Anchor mounts , which can be sourced locally from Advanced, are made in the USA and are part numbers 2220 left and 2221 right. Both were 1.25" thick from side to side. Now the motor sits evenly. It has also been recommended by 2 very knowledgeable list members that 5/16" bolts, nuts and washers should be installed on 'either" side of the center bolt on the mount as the rubber does not seem to hold up and will sage within a short time. Now that I have written this, is there some unwritten rule about listing manufacture's and part numbers to protect our very few and dedicated sunbeam suppliers - British Victoria excluded as I do not recall seeing this very often? I continue to learn 'daily' from your knowledge and appreciate the responses. Regards Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6224 - Release Date: 04/04/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 10:24:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823E8442F2 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:24:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06124249E for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:57:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130404155432.PJUN17049.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:54:32 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.6] ([72.205.39.75]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id KruX1l00i1dHVuG01ruYjE; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 11:54:32 -0400 a=0Nm72dJp9Kgw8EhUP4ZIJg==:17 a=p-3NiJT8NbwA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=-RdZxHT-JnwA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=jmAdby84ewaRNLG3Pa4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=0Nm72dJp9Kgw8EhUP4ZIJg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=jliny5@cox.net References: <1365082541.95229.YahooMailClassic@web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: James Lindner Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:54:30 -0400 To: Joel Martin Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel If you are interested in an alternator that closely resembles the Ford OE generator, there was a discussion on this topic on the CAT Forum last week. It is my understanding that they fit into the existing bracket. Downside...pretty expensive. Jim Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Joel Martin wrote: > I am wanting to convert from gernerator to alternator setup for a 289 HiPo > motor in a 66 MK 1A. Can anyone provide part numbers, brackets to use, wiring > considerations etc in making this conversion? > > Thanks > > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 10:24:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32A044313 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:24:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A978403B2 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:58:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C7D791C000092; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mse002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.69]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1BB03E000086; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:55:52 -0400 (EDT) References: <8de59.27294a89.3e8ee171@aol.com> To: CoolVT@aol.com, JimPSPB@gmail.com, PRScompany@prscompany.com, Ocean726@aol.com, sjhcobra1@cs.com, GRMTim@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net From: phastphill@aol.com Received: from 66.87.4.128 by webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.20) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 04 Apr 2013 11:55:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:55:51 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365090952; bh=Dosp5jCrDXIRZy9wKlVuCUTz5eQjQ2pZ/cXbHPD2ifo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RhvragEeORW5WfGGDv5aq84ejCiHAWfNy+Dc3MQgDopblaUzsopYkUvczaGii9sq8 9ktrmhLKfvmBILjQGJ3eCDW/7mCLF2dFG6e82Y5l+i7ioievntlgWdHd5ic/MpZnLG OUOg5Lynm2Pz9d1NO2uXy81Abp6reuGeoSkkSEpo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3389515da2886a85 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trip to Pinellas Park Florida Car Museum Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net great I'll be there ---- Original Message ---- From: CoolVT To: Phastphill ; JimPSPB ; PRScompany ; Ocean726 ; sjhcobra1 ; GRMTim ; tigers Sent: Thu, Apr 4, 2013 10:00 am Subject: Trip to Pinellas Park Florida Car Museum Tiger Owners, We have a trip scheduled to the Florida (Pinellas Park) Auto Museum for next Wednesday, April 10th at 11:00. We might decide to get lunch somewhere after. Information and location on the museum can be found on the sites below. This is a chance to see innovative cars in a private collection that you will probably see nowhere else. Admission is $8 and $6 for seniors. Any Tiger owners and other car nuts are welcome to join us. Mark Lafayette PS Check out the Fardier.....the world's first machine to be able to move under it's own power. 1770? Who would have thought that motor vehicles started that early). pinellas park car museum - Google Search Tampa Bay Automobile Museum, in Tampa, Florida, features vintage cars and vehi _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 12:23:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC72443FD for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:23:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og104.obsmtp.com (exprod5og104.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E757E44355 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:59:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cinmlip12.e2k.ad.ge.com ([12.71.149.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob104.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUV2+zZYifYwkUVOCl0GsEBQ5ywNvCSJ/@postini.com; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:56:31 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO cinmlef06.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.213.37]) by cinmlip12.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 04 Apr 2013 13:56:29 -0400 Received: from cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.213.93]) by cinmlef06.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:56:28 -0400 Received: from cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.50]) by cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:56:26 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA08.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.37) by cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:56:23 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.1.83]) by CINMBCNA08.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.2.162]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:56:23 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: James Lindner , Joel Martin Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Thread-Index: AQHOMVCCqEkb6Ykf10mwvyzleqxal5jGS07w Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:56:21 +0000 References: <1365082541.95229.YahooMailClassic@web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.191] FILETIME=[BA1C9D00:01CE315D] Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That would be the PowerMaster 82101 or the 82101-2 with indicator light terminal. These are one-wire types so you bypass all your regulator harness. I go tired of generator bearings burning out (they somehow don't like 7K shift points) on my 289 HiPo engine and went this way to look stock. The other advantage is you don't have to kluge brackets onto your car. They are at Summit Racing, not cheap at $369 and $389 for the indicator model, but you'll have twice as much juice at idle as the old generator put out at WFO. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Lindner Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:55 AM To: Joel Martin Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Joel If you are interested in an alternator that closely resembles the Ford OE generator, there was a discussion on this topic on the CAT Forum last week. It is my understanding that they fit into the existing bracket. Downside...pretty expensive. Jim Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Joel Martin wrote: > I am wanting to convert from gernerator to alternator setup for a 289 > HiPo motor in a 66 MK 1A. Can anyone provide part numbers, brackets > to use, wiring > considerations etc in making this conversion? > > Thanks > > Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 12:53:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05811444DF for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2543040333 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:36:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KqZN1l0021afHeLABuZuwj; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 18:33:54 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KuZt1l00g2yr1eL8duZtuL; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 18:33:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:33:53 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: "Mark Rense (GE, Appl & Light)" s=q20121106; t=1365100434; bh=bj0F7x33zQLBmAVgJls177E4hB4cQH6B+vZ/x3uPySg=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=E9Gu9MOoB0V/qxPpM0XeUIAZ7iqpfzmuVv+UDUewMSiwZDow7q5SD51bX0OG7tcZG 2YC0+fdTKjkqoye751s0VN7tdtkQ/mMLYu/wYRYR7XwjcGkYDboY/V3YKOp+bNUH86 1W7XaRQoZ+u93ULe8JO4YeNPPcAOOsGbzfUT2+mSbatLSOIRgq53ntT5IvcSFQJ8Xm uo9FEizZ8RLA4vWWZRB1nZJzSq6+TDP/TY0gKHW2U6vMOY9BKm2+igvHudsvcT5k/8 pwLpMeOTAsUf/Udz5WllVUfclDvMCvTc7PFkZyeVZ5qXbYq5GmDHRH5kdr0WB9JR8W a7QAIfcVR6r7A== Cc: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Some questions about fitment... Any problems aligning pulley with the ones on the crank and water pump? Regular stock size V belt (thickness and length) work okay? Thanks, Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rense (GE, Appl & Light)" To: "James Lindner" , "Joel Martin" Cc: "Tiger List Serve" Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:56:21 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion That would be the PowerMaster 82101 or the 82101-2 with indicator light terminal. These are one-wire types so you bypass all your regulator harness. I go tired of generator bearings burning out (they somehow don't like 7K shift points) on my 289 HiPo engine and went this way to look stock. The other advantage is you don't have to kluge brackets onto your car. They are at Summit Racing, not cheap at $369 and $389 for the indicator model, but you'll have twice as much juice at idle as the old generator put out at WFO. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Lindner Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:55 AM To: Joel Martin Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Joel If you are interested in an alternator that closely resembles the Ford OE generator, there was a discussion on this topic on the CAT Forum last week. It is my understanding that they fit into the existing bracket. Downside...pretty expensive. Jim Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Joel Martin wrote: > I am wanting to convert from gernerator to alternator setup for a 289 > HiPo motor in a 66 MK 1A. Can anyone provide part numbers, brackets > to use, wiring > considerations etc in making this conversion? > > Thanks > > Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 13:23:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13460444F7 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:23:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f173.google.com (mail-vc0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C6A444CC for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:07:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id gd11so2653772vcb.32 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:04:45 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=0/XYMvDSWWfesgsAxr5ZwnKmRUtutD2KDcQ3mTrlWes=; b=sMMVkndRDCyxzJusBjAJJSGvF+BrDW80n3aUAmiy2OTHuWb5uxPKQTnjLCvQOFeP/E ULmNZoBwc6UQfNwQgklPDBwHU/da6cFoaAxI52zVfis/CumRNdME/fxohVTpsCLW61TF NAahO7ssGUvJwXFg5KmuSu5ZSbvJ7ENRftYf/3PXgP6clzIDf/YmE+stn2+NhhGTthT4 Ku8yn/SafPe7eoKfJPggziwLM/uilcRPUeWmZ98dW5GRNhUBc0m5R+aox9CQYpbqc+IC gP/5/zQD6ebYV/lyoc9oUB9kFDpCGbzEKs47Kuda62aOXNroFzotvCgNKGMRmeQJ2Btq +SFw== d9mr4906174vdv.105.1365102285465; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.50.201 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:04:45 -0700 (PDT) References: <1365082541.95229.YahooMailClassic@web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CF3E0@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:04:45 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" Cc: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net When doing a one wire installation, keep in mind that the light wire is critical to the workings of the alternator. It is actually pretty slick or tricky how it works. It goes to the charging light on the dash. The other wire to the light goes to keyed 12v, not ground. When the key is turned on, 12v goes through the light, to the coils of the alternator. It charges the coils and the alternator immediately charges when the engine starts spinning. Then, 12v goes out of the alternator to the bulb. When the bulb has 12v at each side, it shuts off. I learned this the hard way after years of driving an incorrectly wired alternator, and never understood why the engine had to get over a certain RPM to start charging. On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) < mark.rense@ge.com> wrote: > That would be the PowerMaster 82101 or the 82101-2 with indicator light > terminal. These are one-wire types so you bypass all your regulator > harness. I > go tired of generator bearings burning out (they somehow don't like 7K > shift > points) on my 289 HiPo engine and went this way to look stock. The other > advantage is you don't have to kluge brackets onto your car. They are at > Summit Racing, not cheap at $369 and $389 for the indicator model, but > you'll > have twice as much juice at idle as the old generator put out at WFO. > Bugz > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of James Lindner > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:55 AM > To: Joel Martin > Cc: Tiger List Serve > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion > > Joel > > If you are interested in an alternator that closely resembles the Ford OE > generator, there was a discussion on this topic on the CAT Forum last > week. It > is my understanding that they fit into the existing bracket. > Downside...pretty > expensive. > > Jim > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Joel Martin wrote: > > > I am wanting to convert from gernerator to alternator setup for a 289 > > HiPo motor in a 66 MK 1A. Can anyone provide part numbers, brackets > > to use, > wiring > > considerations etc in making this conversion? > > > > Thanks > > > > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 14:25:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA81E42B74 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:25:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B514242A9A for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:55:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 19:53:05 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.171] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 19:53:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 19:53:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 76152 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2013 19:53:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1365105184; bh=T6T0XIF79P1dAWxpQOZ+pbh2eRWEcLOxjXt2hsZuuhk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VxvSdKLMaNx3taICdecM8BFsQU9Cg0zDFucsiaxyl7fdJgmJRkx8RZ8cKE2E0aRfp+8amt0LtIrha86AMfYWKKDpshCOPF1lOpnD5Buh195e3MTFqtbBI1GL1FDc4XVDdOO5TSo8KYwWaajKuxrRV5o8vfcLQtM3JJHVWsMVOds= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=57ZgDRPu/utCGxs+AcShfzcYbONRlLv79sRSU8aK1uKz7dcBE1pNf7ch+J2EEmLXRj8uugr6kIZwKO44+qSS+pkO4B1g1dwGlcjHO4YpEOjLZXk99WQqaPT5EBJFWEUZgLo3UJhH0du9UgpZNIdbI15KCerB3dDcOTgbKashThA=; 8_mf785bPT5B8uwKcO80O5VDDvF4ZeMbpIoaIUFnANrfH971UxVQPf3Eb.OH BElwDFIl.MvD4eLquFs8Cm4MmeUHl_dlxFaKmDn6UtU5hkRFB1a1kDzyU839 9Dh3hFDmfoRkHKWIWjBfgIo90ogm.Y8F7KeoEC_qIa4oxQY74IxVaF96PfXK pNy_RSSEg7ExR0s6axbJBDtugCmilQxxVBtOYL_i6kHl5ipXMUNEeyiqB21x x3j6Q7zozFM2x5qnbP_act1MkaX4JXUT4QfEL3vFPVcBRzDpmfstvg0Xz6eF Ka11ajJrMEake2sVpdCF6Dgpe8viA0ppRlhYlTdh8v6HknP7pO3UFYe_y_sF Zj_MDZFMfn8Uc.Z6wV8yuEZxW8LvMIsynq3Tj7RrRMllgqk2UWeqLMCiPD6u m8FEcntj34WGDbHtm8qL84yfzI2tIfhKAejzc6TNA0OeCzZkjBvl3JYYgHLk 7 Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web124704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:53:04 PDT QWxsDQrCoA0KVGhlIGJhdHRlcnkgZ3JvdW5kIHN0cmFwLCBkb2VzIGl0IHJ1biBvdXQgb2YgdGhlIHRydW5rIGFuZCB0aWUgdG8gdGhlIGZyYW1lIG9yIGp1c3QgdG8gdGhlIGluc2lkZSBiYWNrIG9mIHRoZSB0cnVuayBldmVuIHdpdGggdGhlIGJhdHRlcnkgaW4gaGVpZ2h0IG9yIGVsc2V3aGVyZT8NCsKgDQpUaGUgZW5naW5lIGdyb3VwIHN0cmFwIHJ1bnMgZnJvbSB3aGVyZSB0byB3aGVyZT8NCsKgDQpBbnkgJ2NvcnJlY3QnIHR5cGUgb2YgZml0dGluZ3M_DQrCoA0KUm9va2llIGhlcmUsIHNvIHBsZWFzZSABMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:53:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Ground straps Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net All The battery ground strap, does it run out of the trunk and tie to the frame or just to the inside back of the trunk even with the battery in height or elsewhere? The engine group strap runs from where to where? Any 'correct' type of fittings? Rookie here, so please be specific. Thank You Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 14:25:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F0442BAC for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:25:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26AB342A9A for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:58:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id hz11so2634826vcb.23 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:55:23 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+1eU68cuYwLv67+fNUDIZsNqimjNqTzz0G+W1lAbE1g=; b=Ug3y5Mrk+YsIrqWInlp2fTJArocU6QzvcxuuQuLOgLFgxRVAeo7VfKVLpO3+0uspHb DmyKCM8mdxxIO0yRsjLx1inYx+0DXjDcFboBWLV0dXekMpVG0fUrNB0fLHdZWhqmGH7Y 3Y2zYifv3KcieU5u8Izn0EAHTnXZlRYaM6OTEKaIW8Q27OBcpytltEz0xy82AHh0hj/q RsgYShisjxJJTe4YMG0GegEaFJVzqjen8xdcdfKp2ltB+TeuuTBy3ZrZOL+dX7mXmal3 Kj84DktEE3TujzB1pnggh+TfH8l1+U8Jk7tVU9xBBOSzMZYwaVnUHOpepGTAUaz0T8QX s+/g== p16mr5154708vdh.118.1365105323278; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.50.201 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:55:23 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: [Tigers] Woodley Park Car show Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone going to the Woodley Park car show a week from Sunday? Right now I'm planning on being there with the Tiger and Alpine. But that depends if my 16 year old son will have too much homework - and if he has racing practice on Saturday (he races karts that accelerate, brake and get more Gs around corners than any car I own). Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 14:42:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001EE42B9F for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og113.obsmtp.com (exprod5og113.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0255142AAB for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cinmlip13.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.4.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob113.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUV3eOcT8dE8gC2ikRGfCPnrUMXDYNTtS@postini.com; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:10:34 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO cinmlef12.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.213.59]) by cinmlip13.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 04 Apr 2013 16:10:32 -0400 Received: from alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.18.12]) by cinmlef12.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:10:32 -0400 Received: from CINMLCH02.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.51]) by alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:10:31 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA04.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.58) by CINMLCH02.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:10:27 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.1.83]) by CINMBCNA04.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.216]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:10:27 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: Joel Martin , "genepadgett@comcast.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Thread-Index: AQHOMWWfqEkb6Ykf10mwvyzleqxal5jGd+vQ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:10:26 +0000 References: <1175270050.543740.1365100433627.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1365101577.23830.YahooMailClassic@web124705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.191] FILETIME=[758016F0:01CE3170] Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The alternator lines up just like the stock generator, the case dimensions are the same, comes with 3/8" belt-width pulley. I had to put on a larger diameter pulley as these alternators are rated for 16,000 RPM maximum and if you use the stock size crank pulley and rev over 6000 RPM you may run it too fast. You can run tighter belt tension too, as the bearings are much more robust, and this unit weighs about = what the generator weighs. You're paying a premium for the convenience and the look, but it only takes a couple generator failures to recoup the cost. Call them if you are not sure, their tech guy is an old motorhead. Bugz From: Joel Martin [mailto:jmartiniii@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 2:53 PM To: Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Ok Mark You have me all excited. Looks like the generator, internal voltgage regulator. Black powder coated - again looks like stock generator. Indicator light for dash. Uses existing brackets? No brackets to make or buy? Crank and water pulley's line up? Other than price - what is the downside? Thanks Joel Martin Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion To: "Mark Rense (GE, Appl & Light)" Date: Thursday, April 4, 2013, 2:33 PM Some questions about fitment... Any problems aligning pulley with the ones on the crank and water pump? Regular stock size V belt (thickness and length) work okay? Thanks, Gene ________________________________ From: "Mark Rense (GE, Appl & Light)" Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:56:21 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion That would be the PowerMaster 82101 or the 82101-2 with indicator light terminal. These are one-wire types so you bypass all your regulator harness. I go tired of generator bearings burning out (they somehow don't like 7K shift points) on my 289 HiPo engine and went this way to look stock. The other advantage is you don't have to kluge brackets onto your car. They are at Summit Racing, not cheap at $369 and $389 for the indicator model, but you'll have twice as much juice at idle as the old generator put out at WFO. Bugz -----Original Message----- [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Lindner Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:55 AM To: Joel Martin Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Joel If you are interested in an alternator that closely resembles the Ford OE generator, there was a discussion on this topic on the CAT Forum last week. It is my understanding that they fit into the existing bracket. Downside...pretty expensive. Jim Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Joel Martin > I am wanting to convert from gernerator to alternator setup for a 289 > HiPo motor in a 66 MK 1A. Can anyone provide part numbers, brackets > to use, wiring > considerations etc in making this conversion? > > Thanks > > Joel Martin _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 14:44:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA3B42CC1 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:44:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og111.obsmtp.com (exprod5og111.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.22]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D7B42AD8 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:21:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cinmlip11.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.4.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob111.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUV3gI3gkOqO0eIChBgnceGwc5dpECM81@postini.com; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:18:44 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO alpmlef01.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.18.10]) by cinmlip11.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 04 Apr 2013 16:18:42 -0400 Received: from cinmlef16.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.213.85]) by alpmlef01.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:18:42 -0400 Received: from cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.50]) by cinmlef16.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:18:40 -0400 Received: from CINMBAPD04.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.70) by cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:18:36 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.1.83]) by CINMBAPD04.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.10.122]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:18:35 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: Jay Laifman Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Thread-Index: AQHOMVCCqEkb6Ykf10mwvyzleqxal5jGS07wgABjqYD//8cywA== Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:18:35 +0000 References: <1365082541.95229.YahooMailClassic@web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CF3E0@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.191] FILETIME=[98F68000:01CE3171] Cc: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, You are correct if you order the alternator with the indicator (82101-2 with indicator light), the charging circuit is energized through the light. On a true 1-wire, there is a voltage bias sensor inside the alternator that triggers an internal switch to open or close the circuit. On these Powermasters, the alternator will not "switch on" until the alternator begins to rotate above a couple hundred RPM and stays on until the engine stops. When you shut the engine off then that same switch shuts off the circuit so you don't bleed current and drain the battery. On a 3-wire alternator, the circuit is triggered by the ignition switch energizing the charging system through the indicator circuit. If you don't need a generator light and/or have a voltage gage then get the 1-wire version, simple enough for even us Mechanical Engineers to install! Bugz From: Jay Laifman [mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 3:05 PM To: Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) Cc: James Lindner; Joel Martin; Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion When doing a one wire installation, keep in mind that the light wire is critical to the workings of the alternator. It is actually pretty slick or tricky how it works. It goes to the charging light on the dash. The other wire to the light goes to keyed 12v, not ground. When the key is turned on, 12v goes through the light, to the coils of the alternator. It charges the coils and the alternator immediately charges when the engine starts spinning. Then, 12v goes out of the alternator to the bulb. When the bulb has 12v at each side, it shuts off. I learned this the hard way after years of driving an incorrectly wired alternator, and never understood why the engine had to get over a certain RPM to start charging. On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) That would be the PowerMaster 82101 or the 82101-2 with indicator light terminal. These are one-wire types so you bypass all your regulator harness. I go tired of generator bearings burning out (they somehow don't like 7K shift points) on my 289 HiPo engine and went this way to look stock. The other advantage is you don't have to kluge brackets onto your car. They are at Summit Racing, not cheap at $369 and $389 for the indicator model, but you'll have twice as much juice at idle as the old generator put out at WFO. Bugz -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of James Lindner Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:55 AM To: Joel Martin Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Joel If you are interested in an alternator that closely resembles the Ford OE generator, there was a discussion on this topic on the CAT Forum last week. It is my understanding that they fit into the existing bracket. Downside...pretty expensive. Jim Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Joel Martin > I am wanting to convert from gernerator to alternator setup for a 289 > HiPo motor in a 66 MK 1A. Can anyone provide part numbers, brackets > to use, wiring > considerations etc in making this conversion? > > Thanks > > Joel Martin _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 14:58:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE2342D0A for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:58:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56CE42AA0 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:27:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id e12so1610940vbg.31 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:24:41 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/pB6RB4EC4P7VfBpOfGdpXjiH+gAz9iz0+/m3V0wD2o=; b=BMVCA3TZdoiJhlZEt7NoIL4B2UhztJ764oUCobY6zTEkqqNuevq6EfqJKNW+X0e3ND J+ksLwAe1DWSPRvcxUMT9UL3RD7tYgD1ajGTLCNy9qrqTl9t0FA/UXtPbKwaJSQzGD9g V1ZnrtOLA3uY7ILuBiRhrvafsN44I+1pFyzfkhkb4MFOLa1e+XzORawhjoBG8WEBE+Gx Ll7r4RVgLbA6gtfl/lsb5apT4PEu+gEViC48Qhlf0+L7dYiMBOh3ae5eM8oKh1dBQn2e wcmzDL3V1qk3scjJYlrY46JEnXaYAeIuBTNItZIbbU4wo/JeLOWgr5WSKNJyhIEXzodi RtsQ== p16mr5223817vdh.118.1365107080952; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.50.201 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:24:40 -0700 (PDT) References: <1365082541.95229.YahooMailClassic@web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CF3E0@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CF46F@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:24:40 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" Cc: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On my alternator, not a true one wire alternator, but a 2.5 wire alternator, it would not start charging unless it got over 1,500 or more. All it needed was a blip on start up. But it still needed it. I said 2.5 because there is the light wire and the power wire, but the power wire is jumped over to the third wire. So, while the alternator has three attachments, only 2 wires actually go to it. It has been a while since I did this. But I seem to recall that the light wire goes to the post marked "S". But no one should rely on that - I'm happy to confirm though. On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) < mark.rense@ge.com> wrote: > Jay, You are correct if you order the alternator with the indicator > (82101-2 with indicator light), the charging circuit is energized through > the light. On a true 1-wire, there is a voltage bias sensor inside the > alternator that triggers an internal switch to open or close the circuit. > On these Powermasters, the alternator will not switch on until the > alternator begins to rotate above a couple hundred RPM and stays on until > the engine stops. When you shut the engine off then that same switch shuts > off the circuit so you dont bleed current and drain the battery. On a > 3-wire alternator, the circuit is triggered by the ignition switch > energizing the charging system through the indicator circuit. **** > > ** ** > > If you dont need a generator light and/or have a voltage gage then get > the 1-wire version, simple enough for even us Mechanical Engineers to > install!**** > > ** ** > > Bugz**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Jay Laifman [mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 3:05 PM > *To:* Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) > *Cc:* James Lindner; Joel Martin; Tiger List Serve > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion**** > > ** ** > > When doing a one wire installation, keep in mind that the light wire is > critical to the workings of the alternator. It is actually pretty slick or > tricky how it works. It goes to the charging light on the dash. The other > wire to the light goes to keyed 12v, not ground. When the key is turned > on, 12v goes through the light, to the coils of the alternator. It charges > the coils and the alternator immediately charges when the engine starts > spinning. Then, 12v goes out of the alternator to the bulb. When the bulb > has 12v at each side, it shuts off. **** > > **** > > I learned this the hard way after years of driving an incorrectly > wired alternator, and never understood why the engine had to get over a > certain RPM to start charging. **** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) < > mark.rense@ge.com> wrote:**** > > That would be the PowerMaster 82101 or the 82101-2 with indicator light > terminal. These are one-wire types so you bypass all your regulator > harness. I > go tired of generator bearings burning out (they somehow don't like 7K > shift > points) on my 289 HiPo engine and went this way to look stock. The other > advantage is you don't have to kluge brackets onto your car. They are at > Summit Racing, not cheap at $369 and $389 for the indicator model, but > you'll > have twice as much juice at idle as the old generator put out at WFO. > Bugz > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of James Lindner > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:55 AM > To: Joel Martin > Cc: Tiger List Serve > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion > > Joel > > If you are interested in an alternator that closely resembles the Ford OE > generator, there was a discussion on this topic on the CAT Forum last > week. It > is my understanding that they fit into the existing bracket. > Downside...pretty > expensive. > > Jim > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Joel Martin wrote: > > > I am wanting to convert from gernerator to alternator setup for a 289 > > HiPo motor in a 66 MK 1A. Can anyone provide part numbers, brackets > > to use, > wiring > > considerations etc in making this conversion? > > > > Thanks > > > > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com > > **** > > ** ** _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 15:41:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FCA43191 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:41:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5953F400A5 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r34L8J2k011158; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:11:43 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189599) id dm0213.515dc7d8.81a2; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:11:40 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:11:32 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac4xciST5psRk4KRQeWWmzTA3KHB5wABjL/w engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-04_07:2013-04-04,2013-04-04,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304040209 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground straps Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel Battery ground just goes to the back of the trunk or just behind the battery - 1/4" bolt I think. There is also an engine ground strap. Mine is on one of the starter bolts and runs to bolt hole in the frame. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 3:53 PM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Ground straps Question All The battery ground strap, does it run out of the trunk and tie to the frame or just to the inside back of the trunk even with the battery in height or elsewhere? The engine group strap runs from where to where? Any 'correct' type of fittings? Rookie here, so please be specific. Thank You Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6224 - Release Date: 04/04/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 15:41:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36744431B9 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17524247A for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:18:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BucksLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.229.205]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MKR009VE1PG6EU0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:15:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Jay Laifman" , "Tiger's Den" References: Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:15:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Woodley Park Car show Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, it's also a CAT membership meeting so I'd guess we'll see over twenty Sunbeams there. There are details and a link for registering on the CAT Forum http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?p=12922#post12922 Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Laifman" To: "Tiger's Den" Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:55 PM Subject: [Tigers] Woodley Park Car show > Anyone going to the Woodley Park car show a week from Sunday? Right now > I'm planning on being there with the Tiger and Alpine. But that depends > if > my 16 year old son will have too much homework - and if he has racing > practice on Saturday (he races karts that accelerate, brake and get more > Gs > around corners than any car I own). > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 15:58:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA63D433FF for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:58:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-pocinrl09.gannett.com (ent-pocinrl09.gannett.com [167.8.66.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D5943119 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:32:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ENT-POCEXHUB06.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.30.0.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-pocinrl09.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FB4EFE67 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXHC02.us.ad.gannett.com (172.20.1.48) by ENT-POCEXHUB06.us.ad.gannett.com (172.30.0.75) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.264.0; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:29:52 -0400 Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::d1ee:ba6b:7083:d0d]) by ENT-MOCEXHC02.us.ad.gannett.com ([172.20.1.48]) with mapi; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:29:50 -0400 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Tiger List Serve Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:29:48 -0400 Thread-Topic: Car Jump Fun video Thread-Index: Ac4xMphyPjaBDjapRfWhMUBAVV6WYgASKetw References: <1365078549.28466.YahooMailClassic@web124704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [Tigers] Car Jump Fun video Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My son posted a video on YouTube called "Jumping the Tiger (Car Jump)". Go to it in YouTube or go to the link below. Is it real or an April Fool's joke??? When you can take a look, it is kind of fun. It is on YouTube: "Jumping the Tiger (Car Jump)" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnmJ1U24Y5o Enjoy! Jere _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 6 14:46:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE91E445FE for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 14:46:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDE244344 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 14:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4C40B1C000068 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 16:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlb002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.144]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2587CE000081 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 16:27:14 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 16:27:13 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365280034; bh=xiJJQ1xHH9PnhRu8InsGU5GSf4ZmOMcU/FHrJyBPLy8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jX0wS06a9UVEzgV/cHvTFjFxYGaFSPpsvJjxHPzfSWAD7Y6b/OOvccazJynSe0Fjt tX/eN1nNtFQ6oBtIHZ59Ggv3bSKZALQGsgntR84JmTGUH1ycmgdwK8QxFvUpL1UO+r TFsj0dLRHpNiSbdYlO7qqMwHRhGRaJWhfljFiKMA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a5160852228cf Subject: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Back in the day, the DZ302 Camaro Z/28 had a chambered exhaust system as an option...before my time, but I guess it was delivered in the trunk of the car for dealer installation (first "trunk kit"?). Anyhow, it replaced the mufflers, while providing some muffling of noise, and resulted in a nice weight loss and better flow. Question: has anyone looked into some type of chambered exhaust system for the Tiger? With our space constraints, it seems like it might be an interesting idea. Less weight wouldn't bother me, either ;-) Mike Wood _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 6 16:29:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D66448EA for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 16:29:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f181.google.com (mail-ia0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6F944929; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 16:28:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f181.google.com with SMTP id o25so4071421iad.40 for ; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 15:28:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=uggdQbi3sdiQzmlzU6A+3uJSGgs/ZKHMkjK5iV+SG+4=; b=DUYyM6XN58UhMot1yolk49uodnIzKTE/zgP0xCb7k5k8vIwJ0Srtr9QrlkQqUGB/0x VKUvfheyFQiIBBXrHb7En6+38sKEATYqH2v5G1p7E9pNYKw91mcRFIjRBKZjcGszV2kx GvrMlqqBInfULy2WOIRxGr2dGesA1FJ4uPBTIoj/J3J5XpSRjUbJ3vyWABsEWJ1R7rLm bWVSeXhQWqOoU0Px37kfdnRLjPfk9rJxiLHs3Ka5MgIlaOzlfU0HB1Dx5b+LWnfNbhDd i1oPPThYOfqybpXvJfwyr6vAiEUmiJ12pKTD2oQWW4fs8b2fkYI/GtLatStO6onLbmaA Ha+A== Sat, 06 Apr 2013 15:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.102.77 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 15:28:08 -0700 (PDT) References: <5160497a.3785.0@thecia.net> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:28:08 +1000 From: michael king To: rande@thecia.net Cc: Alpines@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers/Alpines Rev lamps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Actually. they are more rare on ebay USA.. if you can bare biding across the pond they appear on ebay UK with extreme regularity and quite cheap.. NOS/good used and junk lots. search WIPAC + Reverse or ESCORT + reverse.. just make sure you get the rear mounting ones, not flush mount or top mount. On 7 April 2013 02:12, rande wrote: > For those who don't regularly check eBay Sunbeam, there is currently a pair > of Wipac reverse lights, with wiring to the > rear light harness area, so far bidded to $76.00(reserve not met) > and buy it now price of $350.00. You'd still need to locate wiring from the > rear harness area to the transmission switch. > No, I have no dog in this race, but these are sufficiently rare on eBay > that > they deserve mention. > > RB > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 6 20:13:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266F744C3E for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 20:13:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe010.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.30]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FD9449F9 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 20:08:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail171-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.233) by VA3EHSOBE014.bigfish.com (10.7.40.64) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 02:08:01 +0000 Received: from mail171-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail171-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22973801F8; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 02:08:01 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail171-va3: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail171-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail171-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1365300479899907_501; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 02:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS004.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.246]) by mail171-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6D11E0048; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 02:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by VA3EHSMHS004.bigfish.com (10.7.99.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 02:07:59 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT06.ad.garmin.com (10.2.0.28) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 21:09:04 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.100]) by olawpa-exht06.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.0.28]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 21:07:57 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "MWood24020@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Thread-Index: AQHOMwfFmJCtyPld4keV96VRbDGcWZjKALlw Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 02:07:56 +0000 References: <75f09.6d936b99.3e91df21@aol.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have a pair of the original LAT-73 (?) Mitchell mufflers sitting in my garage. I can measure them for length - they just fit between the front exhaust hangers and the rear axle. I currently have some 3-chamber 50 series Flowmasters in there (2" center in, center out) that take up pretty much all of the available width, and they also come within a couple of inches of the available length. Way back when, we did some dyno tests on various mufflers for racing purposes (while trying to get under the sound restrictions at some local tracks). We tried turbo mufflers, glasspack (Thrush type), the blue bottle resonator type, as well as the Supertrapp end-of-the-pipe baffle style. The blue bottle won out, and it actually had a more mellow sound than the Supertrapp and the Thrush mufflers. This was before Flowmasters really hit the market; I forget if we actually did try those on the dyno at some point but from a seat of the pants perspective they did okay on power as well as being good for noise suppression. The fact that they were totally bombproof was a plus. I like the Flowmaster sound but I may put an H-pipe or X-pipe in there to try to cut a little more of the bark out. I'm also open to suggestions for a good modern turbo muffler that has decent sound without drone problems. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MWood24020@aol.com > Sent: April 6, 2013 2:27 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? > > Back in the day, the DZ302 Camaro Z/28 had a chambered exhaust system > as an option...before my time, but I guess it was delivered in the > trunk of the car for dealer installation (first "trunk kit"?). > > Anyhow, it replaced the mufflers, while providing some muffling of > noise, and resulted in a nice weight loss and better flow. > > Question: has anyone looked into some type of chambered exhaust system > for the Tiger? With our space constraints, it seems like it might be an > interesting idea. Less weight wouldn't bother me, either ;-) > > Mike Wood > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 07:38:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FED44D5F for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 07:38:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D72403A0 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 07:31:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 66CCF1C00008B for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqe003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.73]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2953AE000082 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:31:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:31:03 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365341464; bh=WlP7DS0vsAOsjUm0uYtOAa7VJ0oRwUNFRskswYvZzwE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=j3mo/HmIcUn6ws1asTimUhNUqAi0JB3RZ88iaC9NoxUdKiFszghWTlZQA9mehgEEP 1tf4g6ncDl0NZcO6zSMPSHpuaFuTnr30i7Gif8kv8u66fcgyGDjhKrfl/tTbjKW0Cj jAWB7IQWB7jv8hFJAFLEorhSEpK39KIounYcMiuE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca516175187255 Subject: [Tigers] truck clips for jack and handle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, I looked pretty carefully in the parts book (Alpine, complete) for the area that covered the clips that hold the jack and handle. Couldn't figure out which section covered them. I'm trying to restore my trunk area. Anybody please? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 09:25:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6295144F31 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:25:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f171.google.com (mail-ve0-f171.google.com [209.85.128.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325AE44EC1 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:23:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f171.google.com with SMTP id b10so4715101vea.2 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 08:23:03 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=t6BRhqEjmAONbJLlrEZmJSMxlQ95fs7OYL5/zl+D32Q=; b=JnT30iN1oHmwwPgPztEjSaRigdVh5WxkR76BRtzEry1jZqGW0EUrSbMo/74vbvYScX s/KC5QV0RTBRsIaCma8P0VbSIuu2cwB7ZAzfFfmRdUY8J75gJNjwa0T+k8ryWMLRErkn jaf5SjgwnU5WJN6kM7l28oSWjBNIJCFrzbSf4= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=t6BRhqEjmAONbJLlrEZmJSMxlQ95fs7OYL5/zl+D32Q=; b=dotpX9xBB2/VqZnXRwIroLOzyU0n6ghvxaP8wpBe3mc8MjrTXLgHVvpnVfcEAfwC07 p/ry2DlluYyYuLwsPxHMrI+vyZ90IF/3QHDmFHUB3MBrcL1bXhWUUiX73PDF5rCrPGrZ agTsPXQJQ2ZjqCeKbusqlsMWZrGFIkVVwRpZNr8r9ouwCUfNoQ6qS2flJPwzH3XdKnGh CEPHTgyuBq7oBsL8fT9ibaYMBi/4XlsldomY1SGPCzUxe5/JtxbmCM9HGUK+jxnTJXUX jddkU4find8522Lzhwd+PriTXQ+30CiFOJKJHC7De/JAS6J2jnxtgEhJeTl8PA3j8+KZ U9lA== a8mr3931747vdj.104.1365348183386; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 08:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DavePC (DRMONS0540W-156034170254.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net. [156.34.170.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l18sm21932017vdh.10.2013.04.07.08.23.02 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Apr 2013 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Munroe" To: References: <9ae78.542db238.3e92cf17@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 12:23:02 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] truck clips for jack and handle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello everyone: I have an Alpine owner friend who is restoring his hardtop, which came to him in very poor shape with his car. The hard top shell has been repaired and painted, but is missing the metal channels that hold the rubber strips around the perimeter. Does anyone know if these strips are available as new parts, or are they only available on the used parts market? Thanks for your help, Dave _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 09:34:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7C044F3A for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:34:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C061A44EFF for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:33:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r37FSZs3000986; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:33:05 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 401896ac) id dm0213.515dc7d8.a5d86; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:32:59 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Dave Munroe'" , Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 11:32:48 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac4zo/cuqw9wjso7TEOWS2/esj3y+AAAI7Ag engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-07_04:2013-04-05,2013-04-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304070155 Subject: [Tigers] hardtop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dave Alpine I & II have 1 style of hardtop; Alpine III - V & Tiger has the other style hardtop. It does help to be specific when asking about parts. Generally all the metal trim pieces for either hardtop are found used only. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 11:23 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] truck clips for jack and handle Hello everyone: I have an Alpine owner friend who is restoring his hardtop, which came to him in very poor shape with his car. The hard top shell has been repaired and painted, but is missing the metal channels that hold the rubber strips around the perimeter. Does anyone know if these strips are available as new parts, or are they only available on the used parts market? Thanks for your help, Dave _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6226 - Release Date: 04/05/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 10:29:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962824501A for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 10:29:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E92D44FB1 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 10:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 375203800008F; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 12:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlb002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.144]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id F0B46E000081; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 12:28:38 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 12:28:38 -0400 (EDT) To: Theo.Smit@dynastream.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365352119; bh=c8jPgykcNeozh1W4DM+BDgCppq4XXtm1MFHFuFinj/g=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=c/d036xanH89YEjkamikiVapwxSKhfF6gz3teb4ZKC4c1lBKxM9tbrmwWSrBrt4/G yz//mifNvwredEYUzG6RjPJsXNDVyxLp548D8fXre9ewNpCz0Ei12dUfJ6ADvaGF10 M0019ANwaB8KFmAVu03so1iKKk3o4ANJi/BIH1jw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d51619eb64455 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, Theo. I was looking around the 'net yesterday and saw this: http://www.classicchambered.com/ Concern is that there would really be minimal muffling. Upside would be installation, particularly in terms of avoiding the "mufflers hanging low" issue/look we have with our cars. I also had another friend tell me he installed the new tech, small diameter glasspacks on his Tiger with very good results. I'm not a big fan of Flowmaster mufflers. I've yet to have an install where there wasn't some droning, regardless as to whether running an H or X pipe. They do sound good under throttle and are made very well, though! In a message dated 4/6/2013 7:08:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Theo.Smit@dynastream.com writes: I have a pair of the original LAT-73 (?) Mitchell mufflers sitting in my garage. I can measure them for length - they just fit between the front exhaust hangers and the rear axle. I currently have some 3-chamber 50 series Flowmasters in there (2" center in, center out) that take up pretty much all of the available width, and they also come within a couple of inches of the available length. Way back when, we did some dyno tests on various mufflers for racing purposes (while trying to get under the sound restrictions at some local tracks). We tried turbo mufflers, glasspack (Thrush type), the blue bottle resonator type, as well as the Supertrapp end-of-the-pipe baffle style. The blue bottle won out, and it actually had a more mellow sound than the Supertrapp and the Thrush mufflers. This was before Flowmasters really hit the market; I forget if we actually did try those on the dyno at some point but from a seat of the pants perspective they did okay on power as well as being good for noise suppression. The fact that they were totally bombproof was a plus. I like the Flowmaster sound but I may put an H-pipe or X-pipe in there to try to cut a little more of the bark out. I'm also open to suggestions for a good modern turbo muffler that has decent sound without drone problems. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MWood24020@aol.com > Sent: April 6, 2013 2:27 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? > > Back in the day, the DZ302 Camaro Z/28 had a chambered exhaust system > as an option...before my time, but I guess it was delivered in the > trunk of the car for dealer installation (first "trunk kit"?). > > Anyhow, it replaced the mufflers, while providing some muffling of > noise, and resulted in a nice weight loss and better flow. > > Question: has anyone looked into some type of chambered exhaust system > for the Tiger? With our space constraints, it seems like it might be an > interesting idea. Less weight wouldn't bother me, either ;-) > > Mike Wood > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 13:37:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD8C45404 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:37:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-02.shaw.ca (smtp-out-02.shaw.ca [64.59.136.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1ED453D7 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:37:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.110]) ([184.64.56.176]) by smtp-out-02.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 07 Apr 2013 13:36:36 -0600 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 13:35:47 -0600 From: Theo Smit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: MWood24020@aol.com References: <9e9ea.6bc579c3.3e92f8b6@aol.com> Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, Here's a picture of what I think are the Mitchell mufflers - these are what was on my Tiger when I got it. For the rest of you that won't get the picture: The body is 24" long, 3x5" oval, 2" in and out. Contrary to what I remembered, the hangers attach 5" rearward from the front of the muffler body - there is only about 20 inches between where the hangers attach on the chassis and the rear axle tube. I do recall the front of these mufflers pretty much touching the rearward part of the underbody X frame, just behind the little exhaust pipe notch in the X. The sound of these mufflers was pretty aggressive, but it went well with the rest of the system and engine. I would also be concerned with the amount of sound suppression that's possible in a small diameter muffler such as the chambered ones in the link below. It may be that with proper choice of all the internal volumes, they get noise cancellation at most of the frequencies of interest, but it seems to me that the overall result would still be pretty dependent on the rest of the package, i.e. engine displacement, cam, and the diameter of the rest of the exhaust. Theo On 4/7/2013 10:28 AM, MWood24020@aol.com wrote: > Thanks, Theo. I was looking around the 'net yesterday and saw this: > http://www.classicchambered.com/ > Concern is that there would really be minimal muffling. Upside would be > installation, particularly in terms of avoiding the "mufflers hanging low" > issue/look we have with our cars. > > I also had another friend tell me he installed the new tech, small diameter > glasspacks on his Tiger with very good results. > > I'm not a big fan of Flowmaster mufflers. I've yet to have an install where > there wasn't some droning, regardless as to whether running an H or X > pipe. They do sound good under throttle and are made very well, though! [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_1333.JPG] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 14:00:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4BF45465 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:00:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCEE453F9 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:58:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 00BB738000046; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 15:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mla004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.82]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C1628E000086; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 15:58:00 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 15:58:00 -0400 (EDT) To: tsmit@shaw.ca, MWood24020@aol.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365364680; bh=NBkKCDfaw4ilO0qdQqiDBfknCHdC6rqLEPQxfQHKCts=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IzNtZWXNlfP48QMP+DkY9CzleBNVp9j7LKz/loJdwVMjCxBMd3UDMNwRGhIoWa3aT wv2HIlRlmtMrg8ht9BNSoAvc5Qq5DwjXs+LNe6cNjQdpOISQrImNxbw3SSSH4RMKxh gKXsGuEaxjD11UfUlJEJKUxxr9T1RlN+rYCm5d9s= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c85161cfc811f7 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I can tell you that in using cheap old glass paks with a stock engine and the same mufflers with a hopped up 302....they are much, much louder with the 302. I shouldn't think a stock engine would be that difficult to muffle. Mark L In a message dated 4/7/2013 3:37:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tsmit@shaw.ca writes: Mike, Here's a picture of what I think are the Mitchell mufflers - these are what was on my Tiger when I got it. For the rest of you that won't get the picture: The body is 24" long, 3x5" oval, 2" in and out. Contrary to what I remembered, the hangers attach 5" rearward from the front of the muffler body - there is only about 20 inches between where the hangers attach on the chassis and the rear axle tube. I do recall the front of these mufflers pretty much touching the rearward part of the underbody X frame, just behind the little exhaust pipe notch in the X. The sound of these mufflers was pretty aggressive, but it went well with the rest of the system and engine. I would also be concerned with the amount of sound suppression that's possible in a small diameter muffler such as the chambered ones in the link below. It may be that with proper choice of all the internal volumes, they get noise cancellation at most of the frequencies of interest, but it seems to me that the overall result would still be pretty dependent on the rest of the package, i.e. engine displacement, cam, and the diameter of the rest of the exhaust. Theo On 4/7/2013 10:28 AM, MWood24020@aol.com wrote: > Thanks, Theo. I was looking around the 'net yesterday and saw this: > http://www.classicchambered.com/ > Concern is that there would really be minimal muffling. Upside would be > installation, particularly in terms of avoiding the "mufflers hanging low" > issue/look we have with our cars. > > I also had another friend tell me he installed the new tech, small diameter > glasspacks on his Tiger with very good results. > > I'm not a big fan of Flowmaster mufflers. I've yet to have an install where > there wasn't some droning, regardless as to whether running an H or X > pipe. They do sound good under throttle and are made very well, though! [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_1333.JPG] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 14:26:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F1B454EC for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:26:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-02.shaw.ca (smtp-out-02.shaw.ca [64.59.136.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217844547F for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:26:01 -0600 (MDT) cv=YS95TUGYX+MRkNY/meip+CxRTyy2F4x7QGJ4HWfgHsg= c=1 sm=1 a=QTFOEh9fAJMA:10 a=Ukzw3da3MZcA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=07qYva9XFuPVsmUOanpuKQ==:17 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=3mZdxbxfAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=LgKp5L492yRuMT3guNEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=jQaRhox3nqRAplJJ:21 a=q949DjXYWP08Mq5B:21 a=6EvD_BS-5eLW6jupddcA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=SmzAJvpoO9OTKcKj:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.110]) ([184.64.56.176]) by smtp-out-02.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 07 Apr 2013 14:25:59 -0600 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:25:11 -0600 From: Theo Smit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: CoolVT@aol.com References: Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net True enough, but the LAT73/LAT74 headers and exhaust, that these mufflers were part of, were not really intended for stock engines. My Tiger came to me with a five-bolt 289 with ported and polished heads, a Holley 600 and F4B manifold, and a pretty lopey cam. 'Quiet' was not really in its repertoire, although sticking with a 2 inch exhaust system does help keep the overall noise level down compared with 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 inch pipe, at the expense of some performance at the high end. Theo On 4/7/2013 1:58 PM, CoolVT@aol.com wrote: > I can tell you that in using cheap old glass paks with a stock engine > and the same mufflers with a hopped up 302....they are much, much > louder with the 302. I shouldn't think a stock engine would be that > difficult to muffle. > Mark L > In a message dated 4/7/2013 3:37:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > tsmit@shaw.ca writes: > > Mike, > Here's a picture of what I think are the Mitchell mufflers - these > are > what was on my Tiger when I got it. > > For the rest of you that won't get the picture: > > The body is 24" long, 3x5" oval, 2" in and out. Contrary to what I > remembered, the hangers attach 5" rearward from the front of the > muffler > body - there is only about 20 inches between where the hangers > attach on > the chassis and the rear axle tube. > > I do recall the front of these mufflers pretty much touching the > rearward part of the underbody X frame, just behind the little > exhaust > pipe notch in the X. The sound of these mufflers was pretty > aggressive, > but it went well with the rest of the system and engine. > > I would also be concerned with the amount of sound suppression that's > possible in a small diameter muffler such as the chambered ones in > the > link below. It may be that with proper choice of all the internal > volumes, they get noise cancellation at most of the frequencies of > interest, but it seems to me that the overall result would still be > pretty dependent on the rest of the package, i.e. engine > displacement, > cam, and the diameter of the rest of the exhaust. > > Theo > > > On 4/7/2013 10:28 AM, MWood24020@aol.com wrote: > > Thanks, Theo. I was looking around the 'net yesterday and saw this: > > http://www.classicchambered.com/ > > Concern is that there would really be minimal muffling. Upside > would be > > installation, particularly in terms of avoiding the "mufflers > hanging low" > > issue/look we have with our cars. > > > > I also had another friend tell me he installed the new tech, > small diameter > > glasspacks on his Tiger with very good results. > > > > I'm not a big fan of Flowmaster mufflers. I've yet to have an > install where > > there wasn't some droning, regardless as to whether running an > H or X > > pipe. They do sound good under throttle and are made very well, > though! > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a > name of IMG_1333.JPG] > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 14:31:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB93454E4 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:31:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13313454C7 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:28:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 907911C0000E6; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 16:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlb002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.144]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 29E65E00008A; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 16:27:17 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 16:27:17 -0400 (EDT) To: CoolVT@aol.com, tsmit@shaw.ca x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365366437; bh=614AXdyt3z2af4MPCuCQ8C4L8iDOCWaIn5i/Lx3lobI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dCYbMYH6RChdJsa2Kp1gjb3ybMqv8gsgofOTDm9qOfimECLRkmash6Hy1ZHHCqSs4 wnF3XTC+KfHNEv8FhxbjiTRFF0TZwZitSN/vpXghsZUpEJ6o+XV4UV84/zeb7LvJcU 1ue9HBC1iX/WUToOIfVSBJpofy+wAQACrnGt2JzE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b5161d6a5387c Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My motor is a fairly mild roller cammed 302 w/headers. The new tech glasspacks are supposedly much better than the old style, in terms of noise, I guess, but I'm really curious about the chambered design. I'm going to do some research and see if I can get any real data. In a message dated 4/7/2013 12:58:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, CoolVT@aol.com writes: I can tell you that in using cheap old glass paks with a stock engine and the same mufflers with a hopped up 302....they are much, much louder with the 302. I shouldn't think a stock engine would be that difficult to muffle. Mark L In a message dated 4/7/2013 3:37:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tsmit@shaw.ca writes: Mike, Here's a picture of what I think are the Mitchell mufflers - these are what was on my Tiger when I got it. For the rest of you that won't get the picture: The body is 24" long, 3x5" oval, 2" in and out. Contrary to what I remembered, the hangers attach 5" rearward from the front of the muffler body - there is only about 20 inches between where the hangers attach on the chassis and the rear axle tube. I do recall the front of these mufflers pretty much touching the rearward part of the underbody X frame, just behind the little exhaust pipe notch in the X. The sound of these mufflers was pretty aggressive, but it went well with the rest of the system and engine. I would also be concerned with the amount of sound suppression that's possible in a small diameter muffler such as the chambered ones in the link below. It may be that with proper choice of all the internal volumes, they get noise cancellation at most of the frequencies of interest, but it seems to me that the overall result would still be pretty dependent on the rest of the package, i.e. engine displacement, cam, and the diameter of the rest of the exhaust. Theo On 4/7/2013 10:28 AM, MWood24020@aol.com wrote: > Thanks, Theo. I was looking around the 'net yesterday and saw this: > http://www.classicchambered.com/ > Concern is that there would really be minimal muffling. Upside would be > installation, particularly in terms of avoiding the "mufflers hanging low" > issue/look we have with our cars. > > I also had another friend tell me he installed the new tech, small diameter > glasspacks on his Tiger with very good results. > > I'm not a big fan of Flowmaster mufflers. I've yet to have an install where > there wasn't some droning, regardless as to whether running an H or X > pipe. They do sound good under throttle and are made very well, though! [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_1333.JPG] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 14:31:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E668745598 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:31:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95843454C7 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8B29A38000069; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 16:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlb002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.144]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3612EE000081; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 16:28:21 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 16:28:21 -0400 (EDT) To: tsmit@shaw.ca, CoolVT@aol.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365366501; bh=2KYpEXsnGZ+utl8rcWF9ChY0DrniMyAUkLtrGKyFpwQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mrit4eduMBSDEdFryStFH6AXcCIs+es5QHdYzXk2EpMFWjHJUq/My9V2Y6Na33Et/ X03vz9w/chp/DQAcZGcUeHxty25MU7vfL3LLf32bTBFkYgo70M0GUrXPeC99LtSNI1 /y2gtlGqk+wHs8ZUCGfBJy214i+3Ul0t/25achz4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c95161d6e5439c Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Of course, we also need to differentiate "good noise" from "bad noise"... ;-) In a message dated 4/7/2013 1:25:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tsmit@shaw.ca writes: True enough, but the LAT73/LAT74 headers and exhaust, that these mufflers were part of, were not really intended for stock engines. My Tiger came to me with a five-bolt 289 with ported and polished heads, a Holley 600 and F4B manifold, and a pretty lopey cam. 'Quiet' was not really in its repertoire, although sticking with a 2 inch exhaust system does help keep the overall noise level down compared with 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 inch pipe, at the expense of some performance at the high end. Theo On 4/7/2013 1:58 PM, _CoolVT@aol.com_ (mailto:CoolVT@aol.com) wrote: I can tell you that in using cheap old glass paks with a stock engine and the same mufflers with a hopped up 302....they are much, much louder with the 302. I shouldn't think a stock engine would be that difficult to muffle. Mark L In a message dated 4/7/2013 3:37:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _tsmit@shaw.ca_ (mailto:tsmit@shaw.ca) writes: Mike, Here's a picture of what I think are the Mitchell mufflers - these are what was on my Tiger when I got it. For the rest of you that won't get the picture: The body is 24" long, 3x5" oval, 2" in and out. Contrary to what I remembered, the hangers attach 5" rearward from the front of the muffler body - there is only about 20 inches between where the hangers attach on the chassis and the rear axle tube. I do recall the front of these mufflers pretty much touching the rearward part of the underbody X frame, just behind the little exhaust pipe notch in the X. The sound of these mufflers was pretty aggressive, but it went well with the rest of the system and engine. I would also be concerned with the amount of sound suppression that's possible in a small diameter muffler such as the chambered ones in the link below. It may be that with proper choice of all the internal volumes, they get noise cancellation at most of the frequencies of interest, but it seems to me that the overall result would still be pretty dependent on the rest of the package, i.e. engine displacement, cam, and the diameter of the rest of the exhaust. Theo On 4/7/2013 10:28 AM, _MWood24020@aol.com_ (mailto:MWood24020@aol.com) wrote: > Thanks, Theo. I was looking around the 'net yesterday and saw this: > http://www.classicchambered.com/ > Concern is that there would really be minimal muffling. Upside would be > installation, particularly in terms of avoiding the "mufflers hanging low" > issue/look we have with our cars. > > I also had another friend tell me he installed the new tech, small diameter > glasspacks on his Tiger with very good results. > > I'm not a big fan of Flowmaster mufflers. I've yet to have an install where > there wasn't some droning, regardless as to whether running an H or X > pipe. They do sound good under throttle and are made very well, though! [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_1333.JPG] _______________________________________________ _tigers@autox.team.net_ (mailto:tigers@autox.team.net) Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 15:17:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CBC455B6 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 15:17:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f43.google.com (mail-vb0-f43.google.com [209.85.212.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C96E4555B for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 15:13:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id q12so3297302vbe.2 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:12:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=P8YbGWjW5Rxb9cB3Zn7wJnsSzl8g9+Eb0MPa+8o7cd4=; b=lwLUlBLMHVPYzRvAvZd1IkBkaFAcMIwLzTvvhT2UEC4Ptnq9kYLTsmGb+/dko3Twkh fW7DUkGLjyIL00g+ZHqAuZRxTCh80xuPsIBkgzZj5EkLKfvzlyQ0HcYONeSF9Gi2OHpd 3kCDaEnzYyCOurB2+A3hCOCP5uAHfnBAum0hMy8IF34+vWAlG5bjfByIiunnZoXlJXaQ ZMW5Y9pxWnmzeiqVysVqPl7kD7s4v05BYCil7pcEK/Tn4YU5yvZqBIFEUq/7PY9Lh3db x51zZDgp9rR7RulKY7rZRF8PiBkshHc6aJi+UvP1DCw0sUnuju/3T944oo78kaML2YtE 7AlQ== s6mr11863112vdv.28.1365369160435; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.21.202 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:12:40 -0700 (PDT) References: <8693a.57ed01cf.3e9330e5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 17:12:40 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: MWood24020@aol.com Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It's obviously very personal, but I think the flowmaster 42 series on my tiger are the single best feature of the car. or at least they are a big component of the single best feature - the sound (the engine helps somewhat too)! maybe that says something about the rest of my tiger :) hmm.... On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:28 PM, wrote: > Of course, we also need to differentiate "good noise" from "bad noise"... > ;-) > > > In a message dated 4/7/2013 1:25:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > tsmit@shaw.ca writes: > > True enough, but the LAT73/LAT74 headers and exhaust, that these mufflers > were part of, were not really intended for stock engines. > > My Tiger came to me with a five-bolt 289 with ported and polished heads, a > Holley 600 and F4B manifold, and a pretty lopey cam. 'Quiet' was not > really in its repertoire, although sticking with a 2 inch exhaust system > does > help keep the overall noise level down compared with 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 inch > pipe, at the expense of some performance at the high end. > > Theo > > On 4/7/2013 1:58 PM, _CoolVT@aol.com_ (mailto:CoolVT@aol.com) wrote: > > > I can tell you that in using cheap old glass paks with a stock engine and > the same mufflers with a hopped up 302....they are much, much louder with > the 302. I shouldn't think a stock engine would be that difficult to > muffle. > Mark L > > > In a message dated 4/7/2013 3:37:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _tsmit@shaw.ca_ (mailto:tsmit@shaw.ca) writes: > > Mike, > Here's a picture of what I think are the Mitchell mufflers - these are > what was on my Tiger when I got it. > > For the rest of you that won't get the picture: > > The body is 24" long, 3x5" oval, 2" in and out. Contrary to what I > remembered, the hangers attach 5" rearward from the front of the muffler > body - there is only about 20 inches between where the hangers attach on > the chassis and the rear axle tube. > > I do recall the front of these mufflers pretty much touching the > rearward part of the underbody X frame, just behind the little exhaust > pipe notch in the X. The sound of these mufflers was pretty aggressive, > but it went well with the rest of the system and engine. > > I would also be concerned with the amount of sound suppression that's > possible in a small diameter muffler such as the chambered ones in the > link below. It may be that with proper choice of all the internal > volumes, they get noise cancellation at most of the frequencies of > interest, but it seems to me that the overall result would still be > pretty dependent on the rest of the package, i.e. engine displacement, > cam, and the diameter of the rest of the exhaust. > > Theo > > > On 4/7/2013 10:28 AM, _MWood24020@aol.com_ (mailto:MWood24020@aol.com) > wrote: > > Thanks, Theo. I was looking around the 'net yesterday and saw this: > > http://www.classicchambered.com/ > > Concern is that there would really be minimal muffling. Upside would be > > installation, particularly in terms of avoiding the "mufflers hanging > low" > > issue/look we have with our cars. > > > > I also had another friend tell me he installed the new tech, small > diameter > > glasspacks on his Tiger with very good results. > > > > I'm not a big fan of Flowmaster mufflers. I've yet to have an install > where > > there wasn't some droning, regardless as to whether running an H or X > > pipe. They do sound good under throttle and are made very well, > though! > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > IMG_1333.JPG] > _______________________________________________ > > _tigers@autox.team.net_ (mailto:tigers@autox.team.net) > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 15:35:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B5B45650 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 15:35:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEB445625 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 15:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MKW00GVRMJJXXS0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 16:33:20 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <8693a.57ed01cf.3e9330e5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:33:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I hate the DRONE of Flowmasters. Even the 50 series (extra chamber) doesn't help. Neither does the fact that I have the two exhaust outlets run into one 3" pipe blending the pulses. 1,900 to 2,600 RPM is unbearable. This is a 318 in a Valiant, but still a V-8 with Flowmasters. I threw one of those Ricer mufflers on the end, but it didn't help. I think the drone emanates from muffler itself (vibrations) and not the sound out the tailpipe. BTW, I didn't see any of you at Woodley Park today - BECAUSE I READ MY CALENDAR WRONG! You of course will wisely be there next week, when the event actually occurs. Oh well, it was a nice day in the park. Fun to watch the private jets fly by up close and personal. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 18:52:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7391E45897 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 18:52:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E56845815 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 18:52:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id e12so3454630vbg.3 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 17:51:28 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Ow4eHw3R4KgTlkvXnKNrfEufpbQqkbxb8gtXLFVE1x0=; b=LOXfrmVpeL7rtwDqvNhGlfMQiikzXcL5s9B2qCw9IH/rO5Zp3956VJpiII+HNRefmT Mx/PTjU9qSvS91LjkIXVkz/XvfEoHF3h44hVYRw8+WmjHcuoqSA0vIxAEFbkdCZIkhgN n5zi2yi1nkxOAYpWKpGcx79SJdagjDklAGtT8Shb6EzCJLMHtwEeWOFf1WUB1NbOlx2A lg5Rc+Uy1x03j7yORboqvhIAPACeJzcf0JRpg6TE5vi+48CT+mxLi9qJyGo1TcB/nGYZ DdsnFPxEIgFgXGCqmLfjcFwpCtoAAIA6pI4VVuUUu5HKQOW8cOMtiKHkQxb3bux50gjD c7sw== it8mr14221642vcb.39.1365382288811; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 17:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.21.202 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 17:51:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <8693a.57ed01cf.3e9330e5@aol.com> <73B734103DAD4CFB928BC9A01A9F60AD@optiplex3301> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:51:28 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: Thomas Witt Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net you're probably right but I can't say I've noticed. I guess I don't spend too much time between 1900 and 2600 rpm :) the one noise I _did_ find incredibly irritating was the sound of a Holley electric fuel pump - even with 'isolation'. I switched to a Carter which is better but still clearly audible. Sorry - off topic.... On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Thomas Witt wrote: > I hate the DRONE of Flowmasters. Even the 50 series (extra chamber) > doesn't help. Neither does the fact that I have the two exhaust outlets run > into one 3" pipe blending the pulses. 1,900 to 2,600 RPM is unbearable. > This is a 318 in a Valiant, but still a V-8 with Flowmasters. I threw one > of those Ricer mufflers on the end, but it didn't help. I think the drone > emanates from muffler itself (vibrations) and not the sound out the > tailpipe. > > BTW, I didn't see any of you at Woodley Park today - BECAUSE I READ MY > CALENDAR WRONG! You of course will wisely be there next week, when the > event actually occurs. Oh well, it was a nice day in the park. Fun to > watch the private jets fly by up close and personal. > Tom ______________________________**_________________ > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/owain.lloyd@** > gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 20:08:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C33459B7 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:08:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0274A459AB for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:08:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 691B51C00016C; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 22:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-msb005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.147]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 21F49E000085; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 22:07:18 -0400 (EDT) References: <8693a.57ed01cf.3e9330e5@aol.com> To: MWood24020@aol.com, tsmit@shaw.ca, CoolVT@aol.com Received: from 66.87.0.226 by webmail-d192.sysops.aol.com (205.188.103.96) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 07 Apr 2013 22:07:17 -0400 From: phastphill@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 22:07:18 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365386838; bh=bCjuGq8MSW4zyfM6x+LHuBpqXMJTxmssF3NXPtnKyvc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QJDG3u/7EAEjNfqsljke9Uk6fedFdIqB7d6tah3+cEx84oahJ4QlsXOkaqAJ1T1C8 hGCwH6C/pggHJqtw83WT9P7IGPZsA06xgvA0oc0yer2vpb++b9MqKTT1tmWdnPvDA8 NdJ8mFrCEQBnbIZXbaBumo/uBaz0zmS7iFZYjqUI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c7516226562e92 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Good noise a v8... bad noise another asshole on a harly with open pipes.....my 650 single dr sounds way better than a harly and a gold star is even better ---- Original Message ---- From: MWood24020 To: tsmit ; CoolVT Cc: tigers Sent: Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:31 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Of course, we also need to differentiate "good noise" from "bad noise"... ;-) In a message dated 4/7/2013 1:25:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tsmit@shaw.ca writes: True enough, but the LAT73/LAT74 headers and exhaust, that these mufflers were part of, were not really intended for stock engines. My Tiger came to me with a five-bolt 289 with ported and polished heads, a Holley 600 and F4B manifold, and a pretty lopey cam. 'Quiet' was not really in its repertoire, although sticking with a 2 inch exhaust system does help keep the overall noise level down compared with 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 inch pipe, at the expense of some performance at the high end. Theo On 4/7/2013 1:58 PM, _CoolVT@aol.com_ (mailto:CoolVT@aol.com) wrote: I can tell you that in using cheap old glass paks with a stock engine and the same mufflers with a hopped up 302....they are much, much louder with the 302. I shouldn't think a stock engine would be that difficult to muffle. Mark L In a message dated 4/7/2013 3:37:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _tsmit@shaw.ca_ (mailto:tsmit@shaw.ca) writes: Mike, Here's a picture of what I think are the Mitchell mufflers - these are what was on my Tiger when I got it. For the rest of you that won't get the picture: The body is 24" long, 3x5" oval, 2" in and out. Contrary to what I remembered, the hangers attach 5" rearward from the front of the muffler body - there is only about 20 inches between where the hangers attach on the chassis and the rear axle tube. I do recall the front of these mufflers pretty much touching the rearward part of the underbody X frame, just behind the little exhaust pipe notch in the X. The sound of these mufflers was pretty aggressive, but it went well with the rest of the system and engine. I would also be concerned with the amount of sound suppression that's possible in a small diameter muffler such as the chambered ones in the link below. It may be that with proper choice of all the internal volumes, they get noise cancellation at most of the frequencies of interest, but it seems to me that the overall result would still be pretty dependent on the rest of the package, i.e. engine displacement, cam, and the diameter of the rest of the exhaust. Theo On 4/7/2013 10:28 AM, _MWood24020@aol.com_ (mailto:MWood24020@aol.com) wrote: > Thanks, Theo. I was looking around the 'net yesterday and saw this: > http://www.classicchambered.com/ > Concern is that there would really be minimal muffling. Upside would be > installation, particularly in terms of avoiding the "mufflers hanging low" > issue/look we have with our cars. > > I also had another friend tell me he installed the new tech, small diameter > glasspacks on his Tiger with very good results. > > I'm not a big fan of Flowmaster mufflers. I've yet to have an install where > there wasn't some droning, regardless as to whether running an H or X > pipe. They do sound good under throttle and are made very well, though! [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_1333.JPG] _______________________________________________ _tigers@autox.team.net_ (mailto:tigers@autox.team.net) Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/phastphill@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 20:31:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9C2459FD for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:31:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEFF459C8 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:30:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id u10so5263658lbi.3 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 19:29:58 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SlZosHf1VfKh4I+EECk4kgdWQJSTY39R23wsjKbmvTc=; b=rnjt3BEZfEoqLm02P0EIr3RWdWqxXvz6iJ2mgMG0SQ5M2FwJwSI+exJ3SESxoI9//m r5t8maYxwKDLpwImQlQOXhAzmyVXhHw+3SyHX9Ef90jXvNady0LUsTovjZCjqkkHmNB+ 3E1cngWzGB4A+3K2mD4DBj0ut8z98QyEGCJL21Z9AozQGMy8PM2opXRRDPsbvRHOFy7J WQa+mZPpuw3P0Wv2RTPeWBYRJuudY6m+kfHIYnWMdOuDTnmv+I5QMuC/HdzGgoywI2MX zNfazdpsi4mPq2AYojq26477T43T5V2QbFYwTJomqHqtHwJVFD9Jw+Tnvw/KfiDSHS2m u1Ew== Sun, 07 Apr 2013 19:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.29.164 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 19:29:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <8693a.57ed01cf.3e9330e5@aol.com> <8D00214EDFB13F6-C4C-23B92@webmail-d192.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 22:29:58 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: "phastphill@aol.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Oh god I know! They sound even worse than pointless 'emergency' sirens. Definitely one of my top 'angry hates' :) what do people see (or should I say hear) in that awful racket? I think all loud noises should be judged by the benchmark of 'would you rather your toddler kept sleeping or should they be woken up to experience said sound?' If its not worth being interrupted from an interesting conversation from (and a small block ford usually is), I don't want to hear it! - angry Owain in noisy manhattan. On Sunday, April 7, 2013, wrote: > Good noise a v8... bad noise another asshole on a harly with open > pipes.....my 650 single dr sounds way better than a harly and a gold star > is > even better > > > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: MWood24020 > To: tsmit ; CoolVT > Cc: tigers > Sent: Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:31 pm > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? > > > Of course, we also need to differentiate "good noise" from "bad noise"... > ;-) > > > In a message dated 4/7/2013 1:25:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > tsmit@shaw.ca writes: > > True enough, but the LAT73/LAT74 headers and exhaust, that these mufflers > were part of, were not really intended for stock engines. > > My Tiger came to me with a five-bolt 289 with ported and polished heads, a > Holley 600 and F4B manifold, and a pretty lopey cam. 'Quiet' was not > really in its repertoire, although sticking with a 2 inch exhaust system > does > help keep the overall noise level down compared with 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 inch > pipe, at the expense of some performance at the high end. > > Theo > > On 4/7/2013 1:58 PM, _CoolVT@aol.com_ (mailto:CoolVT@aol.com) wrote: > > > I can tell you that in using cheap old glass paks with a stock engine and > the same mufflers with a hopped up 302....they are much, much louder with > the 302. I shouldn't think a stock engine would be that difficult to > muffle. > Mark L > > > In a message dated 4/7/2013 3:37:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _tsmit@shaw.ca_ (mailto:tsmit@shaw.ca) writes: > > Mike, > Here's a picture of what I think are the Mitchell mufflers - these are > what was on my Tiger when I got it. > > For the rest of you that won't get the picture: > > The body is 24" long, 3x5" oval, 2" in and out. Contrary to what I > remembered, the hangers attach 5" rearward from the front of the muffler > body - there is only about 20 inches between where the hangers attach on > the chassis and the rear axle tube. > > I do recall the front of these mufflers pretty much touching the > rearward part of the underbody X frame, just behind the little exhaust > pipe notch in the X. The sound of these mufflers was pretty aggressive, > but it went well with the rest of the system and engine. > > I would also be concerned with the amount of sound suppression that's > possible in a small diameter muffler such as the chambered ones in the > link below. It may be that with proper choice of all the internal > volumes, they get noise cancellation at most of the frequencies of > interest, but it seems to me that the overall result would still be > pretty dependent on the rest of the package, i.e. engine displacement, > cam, and the diameter of the rest of the exhaust. > > Theo > > > On 4/7/2013 10:28 AM, _MWood24020@aol.com_ (mailto:MWood24020@aol.com) > wrote: > > Thanks, Theo. I was looking around the 'net yesterday and saw this: > > http://www.classicchambered.com/ > > Concern is that there would really be minimal muffling. Upside would be > > installation, particularly in terms of avoiding the "mufflers hanging > low" > > issue/look we have with our cars. > > > > I also had another friend tell me he installed the new tech, small > diameter > > glasspacks on his Tiger with very good results. > > > > I'm not a big fan of Flowmaster mufflers. I've yet to have an install > where > > there wasn't some droning, regardless as to whether running an H or X > > pipe. They do sound good under throttle and are made very well, > though! > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > IMG_1333.JPG] > _______________________________________________ > > _tigers@autox.team.net_ (mailto:tigers@autox.team.net) > > Donate: Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/phastphill@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 20:34:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6A145A1C for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:34:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f42.google.com (mail-la0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79004459CC for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:34:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id fe20so4958627lab.15 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 19:33:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=bsiRhM6crPtCcAqRB4mWr8ZYV0P43ZuXDSKEjimcRTI=; b=LE2xV7HszIExsbtjUsumgtlX4BonXI5zTzZsZXJgE5Jkrt3nWzpiJ8Ls5tFjV5E+4t ym3X4wCNn3aPXJtnTS9NiDGk1+g++wjtaysR68qKSbu72OisCnk6+sWw/kMiqe9ptKoq ha5WoJh5VojPAI/v5dio+kFZ4icgrVMpryDbExyH5PAQ99RIJcA0jEtNnje9j0mLMGGz 1O9MUFFtEEC+B5M3MhpqZU6DoChBnVRsZQb0fXyeRUiaQMLaMBpwgagZpjPcTpP4olkK h6rs6a1KCx1oZmZZHyPFBZrpOdAvX901P+/57BLrAfILhGfSv7yA0vy+dWq3GIPiVCLJ aiGw== pc5mr10751374lab.32.1365388410122; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 19:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.29.164 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 19:33:30 -0700 (PDT) References: <8693a.57ed01cf.3e9330e5@aol.com> <8D00214EDFB13F6-C4C-23B92@webmail-d192.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 22:33:30 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: "phastphill@aol.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Aucra exhausts.... (The ones that sound like farts). Not many engines sounds bad to me but Acuras and Harleys are wel On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Owain Lloyd wrote: > Oh god I know! They sound even worse than pointless 'emergency' sirens. > Definitely one of my top 'angry hates' :) what do people see (or should I > say hear) in that awful racket? > > I think all loud noises should be judged by the benchmark of 'would you > rather your toddler kept sleeping or should they be woken up to experience > said sound?' If its not worth being interrupted from an interesting > conversation from (and a small block ford usually is), I don't want to hear > it! > > - angry Owain in noisy manhattan. > > > On Sunday, April 7, 2013, wrote: > >> Good noise a v8... bad noise another asshole on a harly with open >> pipes.....my 650 single dr sounds way better than a harly and a gold star >> is >> even better >> >> >> >> ---- Original Message ---- >> From: MWood24020 >> To: tsmit ; CoolVT >> Cc: tigers >> Sent: Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:31 pm >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? >> >> >> Of course, we also need to differentiate "good noise" from "bad noise"... >> ;-) >> >> >> In a message dated 4/7/2013 1:25:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> tsmit@shaw.ca writes: >> >> True enough, but the LAT73/LAT74 headers and exhaust, that these mufflers >> were part of, were not really intended for stock engines. >> >> My Tiger came to me with a five-bolt 289 with ported and polished heads, >> a >> Holley 600 and F4B manifold, and a pretty lopey cam. 'Quiet' was not >> really in its repertoire, although sticking with a 2 inch exhaust system >> does >> help keep the overall noise level down compared with 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 inch >> pipe, at the expense of some performance at the high end. >> >> Theo >> >> On 4/7/2013 1:58 PM, _CoolVT@aol.com_ (mailto:CoolVT@aol.com) wrote: >> >> >> I can tell you that in using cheap old glass paks with a stock engine and >> the same mufflers with a hopped up 302....they are much, much louder with >> the 302. I shouldn't think a stock engine would be that difficult to >> muffle. >> Mark L >> >> >> In a message dated 4/7/2013 3:37:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> _tsmit@shaw.ca_ (mailto:tsmit@shaw.ca) writes: >> >> Mike, >> Here's a picture of what I think are the Mitchell mufflers - these are >> what was on my Tiger when I got it. >> >> For the rest of you that won't get the picture: >> >> The body is 24" long, 3x5" oval, 2" in and out. Contrary to what I >> remembered, the hangers attach 5" rearward from the front of the muffler >> body - there is only about 20 inches between where the hangers attach on >> the chassis and the rear axle tube. >> >> I do recall the front of these mufflers pretty much touching the >> rearward part of the underbody X frame, just behind the little exhaust >> pipe notch in the X. The sound of these mufflers was pretty aggressive, >> but it went well with the rest of the system and engine. >> >> I would also be concerned with the amount of sound suppression that's >> possible in a small diameter muffler such as the chambered ones in the >> link below. It may be that with proper choice of all the internal >> volumes, they get noise cancellation at most of the frequencies of >> interest, but it seems to me that the overall result would still be >> pretty dependent on the rest of the package, i.e. engine displacement, >> cam, and the diameter of the rest of the exhaust. >> >> Theo >> >> >> On 4/7/2013 10:28 AM, _MWood24020@aol.com_ (mailto:MWood24020@aol.com) >> wrote: >> > Thanks, Theo. I was looking around the 'net yesterday and saw this: >> > http://www.classicchambered.com/ >> > Concern is that there would really be minimal muffling. Upside would >> be >> > installation, particularly in terms of avoiding the "mufflers hanging >> low" >> > issue/look we have with our cars. >> > >> > I also had another friend tell me he installed the new tech, small >> diameter >> > glasspacks on his Tiger with very good results. >> > >> > I'm not a big fan of Flowmaster mufflers. I've yet to have an install >> where >> > there wasn't some droning, regardless as to whether running an H or X >> > pipe. They do sound good under throttle and are made very well, >> though! >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name >> of >> IMG_1333.JPG] >> _______________________________________________ >> >> _tigers@autox.team.net_ (mailto:tigers@autox.team.net) >> >> Donate: Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/phastphill@aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 20:38:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F2D45A51 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:38:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f45.google.com (mail-la0-f45.google.com [209.85.215.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0362845A1A for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:35:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id fn20so1457418lab.4 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 19:34:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=XfwfJf6Snx4WA3x4++fIXBJ+jORlCO/Z1iyCPo6qfqQ=; b=euTblASU3jFyBpjooYVB1098e8AByfZ8KdoGEV+seW8L+5KG0Oi02CxeEy9sd/XM02 yFcV4PG1ejw8Z3jiiWQi1xjWjUxe1Z9atsnCJVOLRasCiQ+1EjCgl8ChhNHLosQqyCdx 1Xwf35g3mlmv89pnpmq7YAm5MGAGM10wgbw1x2zGMleqfxcUw03Y2VPNZLC6XvMzQy8I Zomyavb/5N0vtFV1oQ+A8NQyYgQLf3si6K3l5XTZwwG8/Q2mPa8KBEhfShQ2M8J1ho1v n61eCzlGLaUUJKqF2DG0XCahMuHnRUs3A3yWRDBaxxmn79s6kdfJvUzDuHrWrjY5mdYO vw7g== pt6mr5716715lbb.127.1365388478366; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 19:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.29.164 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 19:34:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <8693a.57ed01cf.3e9330e5@aol.com> <8D00214EDFB13F6-C4C-23B92@webmail-d192.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 22:34:38 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: "phastphill@aol.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net l up there. I'm sure I'm offending people now so I'm going to shut up and apologise! On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Owain Lloyd wrote: > Aucra exhausts.... (The ones that sound like farts). Not many engines > sounds bad to me but Acuras and Harleys are wel > > On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Owain Lloyd wrote: > > Oh god I know! They sound even worse than pointless 'emergency' sirens. > Definitely one of my top 'angry hates' :) what do people see (or should I > say hear) in that awful racket? > > I think all loud noises should be judged by the benchmark of 'would you > rather your toddler kept sleeping or should they be woken up to experience > said sound?' If its not worth being interrupted from an interesting > conversation from (and a small block ford usually is), I don't want to hear > it! > > - angry Owain in noisy manhattan. > > > On Sunday, April 7, 2013, wrote: > > Good noise a v8... bad noise another asshole on a harly with open > pipes.....my 650 single dr sounds way better than a harly and a gold star > is > even better > > > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: MWood24020 > To: tsmit ; CoolVT > Cc: tigers > Sent: Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:31 pm > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? > > > Of course, we also need to differentiate "good noise" from "bad noise"... > ;-) > > > In a message dated 4/7/2013 1:25:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > tsmit@shaw.ca writes: > > True enough, but the LAT73/LAT74 headers and exhaust, that these mufflers > were part of, were not really intended for stock engines. > > My Tiger came to me with a five-bolt 289 with ported and polished heads, a > Holley 600 and F4B manifold, and a pretty lopey cam. 'Quiet' was not > really in its repertoire, although sticking with a 2 inch exhaust system > does > help keep the overall noise level down compared with 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 inch > pipe, at the expense of some performance at the high end. > > Theo > > On 4/7/2013 1:58 PM, _CoolVT@aol.com_ (mailto:CoolVT@aol.com) wrote: > > > I can tell you that in using cheap old glass paks with a stock engine and > the same mufflers with a hopped up 302....they are much, much louder with > the 302. I shouldn't think a stock engine would be that difficult to > muffle. > Mark L > > > In a message dated 4/7/2013 3:37:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _tsmit@shaw.ca_ (mailto:tsmit@shaw.ca) writes: > > Mike, > Here's a picture of what I think are the Mitchell mufflers - these are > what was on my Tiger when I got it. > > For the rest of you that won't get the picture: > > The body is 24" long, 3x5" oval, 2" in and out. Contrary to what I > remembered, the hangers attach 5" rearward from the front of the muffler > body - there is only about 20 inches between where the hangers attach on > the chassis and the rear axle tube. > > I do recall the front of these mufflers pretty much touching the > rearward part of the underbody X frame, just behind the little exhaust > pipe notch in the X. The sound of these mufflers was pretty aggressive, > but it went well with the rest of the system and engine. > > I would also be concerned with the amount of sound suppression that's > possible in a small diameter muffler such as the chambered ones in the > link below. It may be that with proper choice of all the internal > volumes, they get noise cancellation at most of the frequencies of > interest, but it seems to me that the overall result would still be > pretty dependent on the rest of the package, i.e. engine displacement, > cam, and the diameter of the rest of the exhaust. > > Theo > > > On 4/7/2013 10:28 AM, _MWood24020@aol.com_ (mailto:MWood24020@aol.com) > wrote: > > Thanks, Theo. I was looking around the 'net yesterday and saw this: > > http://www.classicchambered.com/ > > Concern is that there would really be minimal muffling. Upside would be > > installation, particularly in terms of avoiding the "mufflers hanging > low" > > issue/look we have with our cars. > > > > I also had another friend tell me he installed the new tech, small > diameter > > glasspacks on his Tiger with very good results. > > > > I'm not a big fan of Flowmaster mufflers. I've yet to have an install > where > > there wasn't some droning, regardless as to whether running an H or X > > pipe. They do sound good under throttle and are made very well, > though! > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > IMG_1333.JPG] > _______________________________________________ > > _ti _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 20:42:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA6045A6A for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:42:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C4545A1C for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:42:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7CD331C000049; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 22:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlb002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.144]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2D409E000085; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 22:41:29 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 22:41:28 -0400 (EDT) To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com, phastphill@aol.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365388889; bh=dvH1b8EZA4yISZSe90txdLLUkpvGopwvSlHhouMxUR0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JU0bIzuaifktUIgcWsNzmcx4hdF36S0YeqlEnEYjbdLAb1lp+2YCyaIdb6PeLwm3n kAexWwPP4YXDID1pnl7PlTsQy2iN1QAZnQjfXe4ywU0NgkMVFXKQ0RSPfXiRsxFXkY YdOhPNu9TohuZy39IwsLC/aUTQyVTU9TBYb+PtJo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d51622e594bf4 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Harley guys/gals love that unmuffled "potato potato"....me? notsomuch. To make it worse, on most all Harleys the throttle is more of a volume control than a discernible source of increased forward speed. If you're going to make that much noise, at least be fast. Any Honda/Acura or Miata four cylinder unmuffled is ear pain. Mazda rotaries require mufflers to sound less than annoying. Interesting engines, though. Inline sixes, V8's and V12's all tend to sound right, no matter how muffled or unmuffled they may be ;-) In a message dated 4/7/2013 7:34:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, owain.lloyd@gmail.com writes: l up there. I'm sure I'm offending people now so I'm going to shut up and apologise! On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Owain Lloyd wrote: Aucra exhausts.... (The ones that sound like farts). Not many engines sounds bad to me but Acuras and Harleys are wel On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Owain Lloyd wrote: Oh god I know! They sound even worse than pointless 'emergency' sirens. Definitely one of my top 'angry hates' :) what do people see (or should I say hear) in that awful racket? I think all loud noises should be judged by the benchmark of 'would you rather your toddler kept sleeping or should they be woken up to experience said sound?' If its not worth being interrupted from an interesting conversation from (and a small block ford usually is), I don't want to hear it! - angry Owain in noisy manhattan. On Sunday, April 7, 2013, wrote: Good noise a v8... bad noise another asshole on a harly with open pipes.....my 650 single dr sounds way better than a harly and a gold star is even better ---- Original Message ---- From: MWood24020 To: tsmit ; CoolVT Cc: tigers Sent: Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:31 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Of course, we also need to differentiate "good noise" from "bad noise"... ;-) In a message dated 4/7/2013 1:25:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tsmit@shaw.ca writes: True enough, but the LAT73/LAT74 headers and exhaust, that these mufflers were part of, were not really intended for stock engines. My Tiger came to me with a five-bolt 289 with ported and polished heads, a Holley 600 and F4B manifold, and a pretty lopey cam. 'Quiet' was not really in its repertoire, although sticking with a 2 inch exhaust system does help keep the overall noise level down compared with 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 inch pipe, at the expense of some performance at the high end. Theo On 4/7/2013 1:58 PM, _CoolVT@aol.com_ (mailto:CoolVT@aol.com) wrote: I can tell you that in using cheap old glass paks with a stock engine and the same mufflers with a hopped up 302....they are much, much louder with the 302. I shouldn't think a stock engine would be that difficult to muffle. Mark L In a message dated 4/7/2013 3:37:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _tsmit@shaw.ca_ (mailto:tsmit@shaw.ca) writes: Mike, Here's a picture of what I think are the Mitchell mufflers - these are what was on my Tiger when I got it. For the rest of you that won't get the picture: The body is 24" long, 3x5" oval, 2" in and out. Contrary to what I remembered, the hangers attach 5" rearward from the front of the muffler body - there is only about 20 inches between where the hangers attach on the chassis and the rear axle tube. I do recall the front of these mufflers pretty much touching the rearward part of the underbody X frame, just behind the little exhaust pipe notch in the X. The sound of these mufflers was pretty aggressive, but it went well with the rest of the system and engine. I would also be concerned with the amount of sound suppression that's possible in a small diameter muffler such as the chambered ones in the link below. It may be that with proper choice of all the internal volumes, they get noise cancellation at most of the frequencies of interest, but it seems to me that the overall result would still be pretty dependent on the rest of the package, i.e. engine displacement, cam, and the diameter of the rest of the exhaust. Theo On 4/7/2013 10:28 AM, _MWood24020@aol.com_ (mailto:MWood24020@aol.com) wrote: > Thanks, Theo. I was looking around the 'net yesterday and saw this: > http://www.classicchambered.com/ > Concern is that there would really be minimal muffling. Upside would be > installation, particularly in terms of avoiding the "mufflers hanging low" > issue/look we have with our cars. > > I also had another friend tell me he installed the new tech, small diameter > glasspacks on his Tiger with very good results. > > I'm not a big fan of Flowmaster mufflers. I've yet to have an install where > there wasn't some droning, regardless as to whether running an H or X > pipe. They do sound good under throttle and are made very well, though! [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_1333.JPG] _______________________________________________ _ti _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 20:53:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1A345A7C for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:53:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f176.google.com (mail-lb0-f176.google.com [209.85.217.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E9145A2D for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:52:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f176.google.com with SMTP id y8so5222297lbh.21 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 19:51:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=AjuxCiL/HiRa6I13WwLIWO6D+rCpBPlRVDWZiT+0M3g=; b=mHpa6CyjOP4QIjgEyGLcVSDkie5QpyoQ2tMBqQzqAa20pAYQVF0EPUhBI/t5LJnMQn tzCZg8kaw5pbPODR3gntBkcLcXM4RForM5/ZriVqdT5ptRbm2OiTnAY48V5NUlPRMnUJ ZNCNsMhgyWfgDSIq3N2LOHbEY3KUjNQXEf6vgLUyYGiTNW5IhZ9a+9gKj+j7Gs2T2xm5 V9ab3A2LOq0IifEXCCPfanBvOIc4qihXkRNt8g24U1xAUB9uW5xHmD4UuDzpKD4LqMeu S5+gPbY3pxX3VvKWTHIA5omwDLbj1P76JSDvQ53yhzHDqERsG8heK0amMROO7BsawlLg 4ZqQ== jh4mr10721651lab.1.1365389519575; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 19:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.29.164 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 19:51:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <8d5e8.1a6d62b0.3e938858@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 22:51:59 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: "MWood24020@aol.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In all fairness the design of both the bike and the engine do not lend themselves well to speed. I think it's 6/8 cylinder Acuras I don't like. They have some kind of 'designed' sound to them. Not sure how to tell though - all asian cars look the same to me. Certainly 4 bangers _can_ sound great. My 280hp supercharged mini sound like music and it very light in the muffling department. Have a 4 cylinder turbo lotus twin cam that sings too. Agree 6s, 8s and especially 10s sound the best though.... On Sunday, April 7, 2013, wrote: > ** > Harley guys/gals love that unmuffled "potato potato"....me? notsomuch. To > make it worse, on most all Harleys the throttle is more of a volume control > than a discernible source of increased forward speed. If you're going to > make that much noise, at least be fast. > > Any Honda/Acura or Miata four cylinder unmuffled is ear pain. > > Mazda rotaries require mufflers to sound less than annoying. Interesting > engines, though. > > Inline sixes, V8's and V12's all tend to sound right, no matter how > muffled or unmuffled they may be ;-) > > In a message dated 4/7/2013 7:34:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > owain.lloyd@gmail.com writes: > > l up there. I'm sure I'm offending people now so I'm going to shut up and > apologise! > > On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Owain Lloyd wrote: > > Aucra exhausts.... (The ones that sound like farts). Not many engines > sounds bad to me but Acuras and Harleys are wel > > On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Owain Lloyd wrote: > > Oh god I know! They sound even worse than pointless 'emergency' sirens. > Definitely one of my top 'angry hates' :) what do people see (or should I > say hear) in that awful racket? > > I think all loud noises should be judged by the benchmark of 'would you > rather your toddler kept sleeping or should they be woken up to experience > said sound?' If its not worth being interrupted from an interesting > conversation from (and a small block ford usually is), I don't want to hear > it! > > - angry Owain in noisy manhattan. > > > On Sunday, April 7, 2013, wrote: > > Good noise a v8... bad noise another asshole on a harly with open > pipes.....my 650 single dr sounds way better than a harly and a gold star > is > even better > > > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: MWood24020 > To: tsmit ; CoolVT > Cc: tigers > Sent: Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:31 pm > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? > > > Of course, we also need to differentiate "good noise" from "bad noise"... > ;-) > > > In a message dated 4/7/2013 1:25:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > tsmit@shaw.ca writes: > > True enough, but the LAT73/LAT74 headers and exhaust, that these mufflers > were part of, were not really intended for stock engines. > > My Tiger came to me with a five-bolt 289 with ported and polished heads, a > Holley 600 and F4B manifold, and a pretty lopey cam. 'Quiet' was not > really in its repertoire, although sticking with a 2 inch exhaust system > does > help keep the overall noise level down compared with 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 inch > pipe, at the expense of some performance at the high end. > > Theo > > On 4/7/2013 1:58 PM, _CoolVT@aol.com_ (mailto:CoolVT@aol.com) wrote: > > > I can tell you that in using cheap old glass paks with a stock engine and > the same mufflers with a hopped up 302....they are much, much louder with > the 302. I shouldn't think a stock engine would be that difficult to > muffle. > Mark L > > > In a message dated 4/7/2013 3:37:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _tsmit@shaw.ca_ (mailto:tsmit@shaw.ca) writes: > > Mike, > Here's a picture of what I think are the Mitchell mufflers - these are > what was on my Tiger when I got it. > > For the rest of you that won't get the picture: > > The body is 24" long, 3x5" oval, 2" in and out. Contrary to what I > remembered, the hangers attach 5" rearward from the front of the muffler > body - there is only about 20 inches between where the hangers attach on > the chassis and the rear axle tube. > > I do recall the front of these mufflers pretty much touching the > rearward part of the underbody X frame, just behind the little exhaust > pipe notch in the X. The sound of these mufflers was pretty aggressive, > but it went well with the rest of the system and engine. > > I would also be concerned with the amount of sound suppression that's > possible in a small diameter muffler such as the chambered ones in the > link below. It may be that with proper choice of all the internal > volumes, they get noise cancellation at most of the frequencies of > interest, but it seems to me that the overall result would still be > pretty dependent on the rest of the package, i.e. engine disp _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 20:56:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BD245AA1 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:56:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f176.google.com (mail-pd0-f176.google.com [209.85.192.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E7445A70 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:56:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f176.google.com with SMTP id r11so2969741pdi.35 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 19:55:49 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=WfDtfjgU9DWU9ibg33tAQV1cOh8q9dqkFz7nznTxAoI=; b=n1LIic/jku3/0EoD8+nklz/Js1Vy47mOW+xLAlXrXLXz3fC1Rr7OsfUMyM2AUTGAKv MxY/ImLiEtkEKNyXBFJiD0Q2zb9s0Lt3Fq1ZUCmEwV1OXzMcb5TMDZKcIkEyq1WZJ0JL sGf0Oyl0JbuBGuTEi/1zDsgJywRcHvcckXfcUqf+t/Z0/pD1EMj9Rr3fyBlITOiytV++ BDaoVtBDeJvD9ikiLJJjkjlnB1Ubh+96+CVMbkEldw+Pfg6F9L/+lfsn7OFTheXcdGLf EEhEJaBgH1pt+8bxUv5cffhQU5iFIWG5ErbREZUCHP9FBV8YuY4MCu34lVMqBtycyakP CudQ== ei10mr32800906pac.39.1365389748926; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 19:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m9sm26129742paa.17.2013.04.07.19.55.47 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Apr 2013 19:55:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 19:55:45 -0700 References: <8d5e8.1a6d62b0.3e938858@aol.com> To: MWood24020@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? - Honda Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On Apr 7, 2013, at 7:41 PM, MWood24020@aol.com wrote: > Any Honda/Acura or Miata four cylinder unmuffled is ear pain. I'm going to disagree 100% - with only the best of intentions! My son's Honda S2000 screams like one of the most insane F1 cars ever when it gets into its VTEC zone. And, actually, our Acura MDX with V6 also has a fantastic sound when it gets on its cam. I'll agree the rank and file Civic as well as the smaller Toyotas are lousy. But, the S2000 gem is a different story all together. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 21:01:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDB24299A for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 21:01:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B086F40067 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 21:01:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id oz10so5078162veb.3 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 20:00:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5tGQyZTyYrr5Xd56p1dKsJWnJJfcYDQVZqjJZ2yEipk=; b=rHvnXdQX4WMdl+FNd2rOn7xFFeDgZUnLL9kI/rlPg17NmPp2dFkaK+cnJTzhUzxFJ/ wxEslB+Ki5a/xP4fe23tnU3FVWJSFA0d499i/h6Tn4LcHoj0m7kFj2qoCTTAKsNM8jJg 9ucV9kboyc7i+yFFwLfFVlQYg5Y/lf4Y6k7c67r4EUvHNzDjnKOTJvBXdMpOlAtD3Id9 U/HXniL/NQzET9JVVJZAt5LIl/ZsXGwYkjtKm+UiCiIjxC+N8SI6PG7PLK1AUnrjX10u igQ3l1e5P5WQZ1nPfeL1uEQB5wbThXSPtnT5u1fKNMUG13O2bSRRHJ3z3ZTOsVqjMCG+ yRGQ== hd9mr14655674vcb.19.1365390018873; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 20:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.21.202 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:00:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <8d5e8.1a6d62b0.3e938858@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 23:00:18 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: Jay Laifman Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? - Honda Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net There we go. I've opened a hornet's nest. Sorry Jay! On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Jay Laifman wrote: > > On Apr 7, 2013, at 7:41 PM, MWood24020@aol.com 'MWood24020@aol.com');> wrote: > > Any Honda/Acura or Miata four cylinder unmuffled is ear pain. > > > I'm going to disagree 100% - with only the best of intentions! My son's > Honda S2000 screams like one of the most insane F1 cars ever when it gets > into its VTEC zone. And, actually, our Acura MDX with V6 also has a > fantastic sound when it gets on its cam. I'll agree the rank and file > Civic as well as the smaller Toyotas are lousy. But, the S2000 gem is a > different story all together. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 21:08:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672554599B for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 21:08:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C508D44A3E for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 21:05:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 40C3A1C000051; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 23:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlb002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.144]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 78B3AE000085; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 23:05:03 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 23:05:02 -0400 (EDT) To: jay.laifman@gmail.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365390304; bh=xo/xb0v+rlHoJSd2Qm4eWSUcbYT7SD7jDBlUFbWQIkA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q/G1KexYGj7YF/pRZvfX2WcXDwpTxPNwoz+YwfepfbKiXIjBwUbjWYCTfp/URa2sq Lbg2g9NThNLDYgUkUhkGAdgpT22H3hf1qVFYFmipeTsHNqW1iMtWXHOfwHFuwFIZdT MVYBei+qAPC61PadWxlLXNeBsiQOjjytNoGGNM8s= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d516233df660a Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chambered exhaust systems? - Honda Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Very true. The F20 and F22 Honda twin cams sound great. There are many four cylinders that make wonderful noises, like just about every sportbike motor. I was referring to the Civic/Integra four cylinder and all Miatae, should have been more clear! :-) In a message dated 4/7/2013 7:55:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jay.laifman@gmail.com writes: On Apr 7, 2013, at 7:41 PM, _MWood24020@aol.com_ (mailto:MWood24020@aol.com) wrote: Any Honda/Acura or Miata four cylinder unmuffled is ear pain. I'm going to disagree 100% - with only the best of intentions! My son's Honda S2000 screams like one of the most insane F1 cars ever when it gets into its VTEC zone. And, actually, our Acura MDX with V6 also has a fantastic sound when it gets on its cam. I'll agree the rank and file Civic as well as the smaller Toyotas are lousy. But, the S2000 gem is a different story all together. = _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 8 06:42:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632D042A5A for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 06:42:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B96C429E6 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 06:41:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 08:41:02 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 08:41:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] off topic - S2000's Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mark, do you know if there is an 'autox.team.net' group for the S2000. If there is, I'm onboard. Definitely on my list of ten cars that everyone should have the chance to drive. 240hp from a naturally aspirated four cylinder with no help needed from the accessory booklet. Controls that are not just close to hand, but close to fingers without taking your hand off of the steering wheel, a shifter that is more toggle switch than shift lever, more fun to drive than either a Cobra SVT or Shelby GT-H, and both of those were a blast. OK, not a V8 but how many ponys does your stock Mark II put out, 200hp gross? OK, digital instrument cluster modelled on '84 Corvette / Jedi transport. Nothing is perfect. But, the S2000 nearly is. If you don't live in the snowbelt, there's almost no other excuse not to have one. I'm a big fan. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 8 07:34:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEACD42ED6 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 07:34:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4DC429E6 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 07:34:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MNrC1l0011wpRvQ59RZVM2; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:33:29 +0000 Received: from sz0225.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MRZV1l00y2ymm843eRZVMf; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:33:29 +0000 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:33:29 +0000 (UTC) From: tym2@comcast.net To: rande@thecia.net s=q20121106; t=1365428009; bh=AkyMMKQJztAnac62oMU/gDHmR30zXetVkmvWc8blHqU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=V0znsDwFYShqS420B9bQZRWAI/zTfqis9Vj/2n5y7+Ods5VFr4p67xbCvDAcYFjyr TnXt3wvlby92ZWsQPlDuxUiVguTPhqZfZxTrNLD63SD4IAXW98AQUzwGzz4Q4hlyZ9 +cKzEZBKndlUc907xbCH61pcI39rlULmvDYXgY+eh2DgxWeY6ru3AJPvvG1d2SGvq6 bdRsEW7SKXjvJidSO6TKk9NKQTu4T/B3eJhI+13XGyAgVndDW/Tbh9+nfZhJvki2Nq kGbbeRCzrUahNisNwS0APnSUYN/5ejNnO/giuTkVGY/TNrYzLxjSlRDdL9ftJSoKSc 3JhmhsTyaeuEg== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] off topic - S2000's Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Rande, I agree! I bought an S2000 new in 2002 and kept it for nine years. I paid $32,400 for it and sold it for $16,000. Living in Massachusetts, I only drove the car between April and October. The only thing I ever did was change the oil and replace the tires. The car was an absolute blast to drive, especially after 5500 RPM. Keep that engine spooled up and they aren't many cars on the road that can keep up with it. I found the S2000 to be basically a motorcycle with four wheels. I've had muscle cars, sport cars, Tigers, Corvettes and motorcycles and have to say that the S2000 was the most fun! I replaced it with a new Z06 Corvette - also a blast to drive. I have fond memories (very) of my S2000. Tym McDowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 8:41:02 AM Subject: [Tigers] off topic - S2000's Mark, do you know if there is an 'autox.team.net' group for the S2000. If there is, I'm onboard. Definitely on my list of ten cars that everyone should have the chance to drive. 240hp from a naturally aspirated four cylinder with no help needed from the accessory booklet. Controls that are not just close to hand, but close to fingers without taking your hand off of the steering wheel, a shifter that is more toggle switch than shift lever, more fun to drive than either a Cobra SVT or Shelby GT-H, and both of those were a blast. OK, not a V8 but how many ponys does your stock Mark II put out, 200hp gross? OK, digital instrument cluster modelled on '84 Corvette / Jedi transport. Nothing is perfect. But, the S2000 nearly is. If you don't live in the snowbelt, there's almost no other excuse not to have one. I'm a big fan. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tym2@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 8 15:21:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F3444DDD for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:21:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F397B42ED9 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:17:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BC3421C000188 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfd002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfd002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.120.71]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4D3B0E000089 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:16:38 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:16:38 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365455798; bh=Y1dXIatqZdkbeuvwyxKH2tSxTOnLqjA6aJkhBwRuGnw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MnCCPSCeUzW/EewkDSJCIclLaHKSeTpF7QQXYqnzA5+dlrTg0gWnK3d6wI3cY+zAr 9fA85KZEYLFhmomOuQlOR9AB9svCmOa889fbRUYfZU95WR8cl0dL0ZvVjW33Kti5/y xbh220f20k39sjc6uPKTHkiCP4Kj7YLB/PD98qdw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2908516333b6329a Subject: [Tigers] Values? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Cars/1966/Sunbeam/Tiger/2-Door-Sport-Roads ter/Values http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Cars/1967/Sunbeam/Alpine-V/2-Door-Sport-Ro adster/Values _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 8 16:44:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A42642FD3 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:44:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E64E42ED9 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:44:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MKY008VRKGOV3G2@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 17:43:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 15:43:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Values? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Interesting, I just recently had to quickly estimate the value of a Tiger in conversation the other day. My guess was mid to high $20,000's to the low $40,000's for a decent, average Tiger. Then I estimated mine at $12,000-$15,000. :-( Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 9 07:07:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6460E450BA for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 07:07:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C95B14292C for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 07:06:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.56] by nm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2013 13:06:01 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.193] by tm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2013 13:06:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2013 13:06:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 64863 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2013 13:06:01 -0000 s=s1024; t=1365512761; bh=oqSMADN29VNjb+frGT25fympQ0Z8GQJpVByLUD0E+jM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yv5w3e4L3KESoohn1CSuXPTYAaK6A6G3rvFT98QJ4jANaT6l32CdgTDngb0WVMWTQRaqwroKqr1yXUyFD6XFgLx3KvqmAUxlbYq8nQd6gzg/sSdG0dST1APiFn7LkoZ9ikoJkxplHGHJ4U0QIoJyqgA4etM+NVJDkzNsb/6zhXU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6fnQiBEcZvf9gjK+uQkpb1IkmVIvHLjBs7XMR6SNEbINE6Clu3YGeyQXZBwgfJQiSnG8OqUwc7pzN7ry323igoFvvqaq6HT9AFqO8lAhrpKV6Y+MgrnXlEnC9cq3JbI6dYaFf72XENlSJmER2XxFTWD+OumWLcCyCPfXJBxbpm0=; woCa66G7gPETp7y6RKFV_ZCYl_jUpAxBJsl2POT8CSSSGk8QeGzVy6I9SlRG S7PAQpfMf4arvGorze8PzxINl7QksofGykUBA4QpHlevJKsiddVe7gNRiwFr aITNq.cA8n1I68JZA1zXfxGgVO1.DKEs.dqMmmsZbM8Y2aWSf8WC_Bqget2Z MDg7tfQ8QPHatkctJ7W3CsGRhlHP5ZqXWtoOpTYqKvopSJXn_kDC2fmRcjPK vzVntWeyclvDZUKtxtN3Oa6DY2r2F4WfegsX78GVPkbEKKraYbFU1cjCJiGA KVCBH8ZIwS2skn.WxiwTVgOobFhP0_lfLkb68eqI7EJnnb4m6CgjIUGPqopA zNa2EI6cRL741jgYYm4Vl4gepizyLJhOUSPaSOx0et8M2LwoVpvVZaiaOzsd mF3b2Id9izWXckfKoManGbGaYQB92L_.zhjh1GBs8cIFr9IsOdfxfOf4prhC ixQ-- Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 06:06:01 PDT QXJlIHRoZSBjb3JyZWN0IGZvciA2NiBNSyAxQSB3aXRoIDI4OSBIaVBvIG1vdG9yIChub3QgY29ycmVjdCAyNjAgbW90b3IgZm9yIHRoaXMgeWVhciksIHNpbmdsZSBvciBkb3VibGXCoCBncm9vdmUsIHdhdGVyIHB1bXAsIGdlbmVyYXRvciBhbmQgY3JhbmsgcHVsbGV5cz8NCsKgDQpUaGFua3MNCkpvZWwBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 06:06:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Pulley Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Are the correct for 66 MK 1A with 289 HiPo motor (not correct 260 motor for this year), single or double groove, water pump, generator and crank pulleys? Thanks Joel _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 9 07:27:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C834449E0 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 07:27:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41F14392A for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 07:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.61] by nm26.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2013 13:26:22 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.52] by tm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2013 13:26:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1067.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2013 13:26:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 75451 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2013 13:26:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1365513982; bh=k3ka+Auwn3YTyX5fUIB96813SCJrBT3QtR50jSvOl/c=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g7/txAUoIqmFD+Si8RSiB74tmhTAE9m0Xkuh4OttYb9fH/AtKP7D8KXhACSadw/7TtQ5JGbeuyVHrykASOtZ7n+EUz9ST0Gep0Sy+zl9p+nHuUTX9FylGu+LsaJkNVKCKm4w6E9Vi4DKFZ96gFpBx/tCdVDjkjxSyRhHqb92cPo= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QAqNQ0d1N1gHVue2pAxRDIZvMPyw9ZG+jtXU1HMvbi4yWrAiaZR8ZtEtvp3RCAarXCWrHc32vSRkaOY4FzXLeG74BKO7qdmPIDokl0DqLl2d5LPnqnnxSxnk4GmvIVSz2Pf+9oQjt9XO238SxiLI7ij3AJ0SV+jaVo+K3btZRxo=; 0SteSftnYgiEhTpM.fhpih8cEDR0RAsdZwkGz4pcZE9JdUHnTHqeyWuyyo1T Ez9aq0q7_dpi5z4.uT0scj_oa6FReiBC9m5LWPusml0JZpf4KsSnwvoU83eV VyF3Q6iWQowwsfgx_vxuwmY098ZGCjrA_jWwyaNWL3gNqIAbbBmoOlbUfUtD bWHSIcLNwXTxA74vQ155Pt0cSx051U1DCoCTf5hNflnCnD1Ty10T6psRrRVt lLYWeqaQbyl21d2MDoTr.uvXZUTy5Dl6LCewD5gfqoarH9MjkewMFukoRB3H inlDi3prileQ6.bfJgjAOHP2nPKiaomsJMmzMlFqMUOxCHDlL4kCyxf_Tia1 bvUAlfpp3kXuswadswFbDpgHNtU3lZscqIHpY2NsAghaq8YbRCmtkB1npSuX rMXxUFGbuWkWcoCJGurS9pmbLzKCSsBrt_isFHJDZ620dUNX0QPzr47Hv6Xv Tczg- Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 06:26:22 PDT SSBpbnN0YWxsZWQgU1MgaGVhZGVycyBvbiBhIDY2IE1LIDFBIHdpdGggMjg5IEhpUG8gbW90b3IsIHZlcnkgZGlmZmljdWx0IGJ1dCBkb25lLsKgIE5vdyBteSBxdWVzdGlvbnMgYXJlIDIgZm9sZC7CoCBXaGVyZSBkb2VzIHRoZSBjYXJiIGdldHMgaXQncyB2YWN1dW0gZnJvbSAtIEF1dG9saXRlIDQxMDA_wqDCoA0KwqANCkFwcGVhcnMgSSB3aWxsIG5lZWQgdmFjdXVtIGZvciB0aGUgYnJha2UgYm9vc3RlciwgY2FyYiBhbmQgcG9zc2libHkgUGV0cm9uaXggZGlzdHJpYnV0b3IsIGFzIEkgY2Fubm90IGZpbmQBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 06:26:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Carburator\Vacumn question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I installed SS headers on a 66 MK 1A with 289 HiPo motor, very difficult but done. Now my questions are 2 fold. Where does the carb gets it's vacuum from - Autolite 4100? Appears I will need vacuum for the brake booster, carb and possibly Petronix distributor, as I cannot find anyone who can get the parts for rebuilding the dual point FoMoCo distributor (shaft and bushings). The only vacuum I am aware is at the rear of the engine, top on the drivers side. Can this handle vacuum for all three? Also, options for auto choke heat tubes with headers, where this came from exhaust manifold with stock manifolds? Thanks as always Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 9 08:50:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C065451A2 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 08:50:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co9outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co9ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [207.46.163.28]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749DB43950 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 08:50:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail40-co9-R.bigfish.com (10.236.132.237) by CO9EHSOBE028.bigfish.com (10.236.130.91) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 14:49:17 +0000 Received: from mail40-co9 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail40-co9-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80DD10008D; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 14:49:17 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail40-co9: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail40-co9 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail40-co9 (MessageSwitch) id 1365518955351549_10759; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 14:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO9EHSMHS028.bigfish.com (unknown [10.236.132.233]) by mail40-co9.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4955A7C0080; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 14:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CO9EHSMHS028.bigfish.com (10.236.130.38) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 14:49:13 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.220) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:49:10 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.100]) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.181]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:49:11 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Carburator\Vacumn question Thread-Index: AQHONSXdZ7xhbcgugkCLP9rb9ivJE5jN9f7A Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 14:49:10 +0000 References: <1365513982.74878.YahooMailClassic@web164701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carburator\Vacumn question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The carburetor doesn't need vacuum, it creates it - there should be a port on one side of the primary throttle plates for the distributor vacuum. This will be sized for 1/8 to 5/32 rubber line. The larger port on the intake manifold runner is suitable for the brake booster. The distributor port on the carb is ported so that it gives a strong vacuum signal at low to part throttle, but very little at idle and none at wide open throttle. If, for some reason, your carb doesn't have any vacuum port for the distributor then you can either leave the distributor disconnected (which will hurt your street driving fuel economy) or just connect it to the intake manifold runner via a T fitting. Having headers generally means you need to provide a manual or electric choke hookup. While the dual point distributor may be correct for the HiPo motor, the Pertronix distributor will do the job better and give you vacuum advance as a bonus. I'd keep the old distributor on the shelf just in case you sometime find the parts and need to build a showpiece, but otherwise run the electronic distributor because it will work better and doesn't require adjustment. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin > Sent: April 9, 2013 7:26 AM > To: Tiger List Serve > Subject: [Tigers] Carburator\Vacumn question > > I installed SS headers on a 66 MK 1A with 289 HiPo motor, very > difficult but done. Now my questions are 2 fold. Where does the carb > gets it's vacuum from > - Autolite 4100? > > Appears I will need vacuum for the brake booster, carb and possibly > Petronix distributor, as I cannot find anyone who can get the parts for > rebuilding the dual point FoMoCo distributor (shaft and bushings). The > only vacuum I am aware is at the rear of the engine, top on the drivers > side. Can this handle vacuum for all three? > > Also, options for auto choke heat tubes with headers, where this came > from exhaust manifold with stock manifolds? > > Thanks as always > > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 9 09:53:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A33439AC for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:53:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40FB429D3 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r39FlsQ3024907; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 08:52:29 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b3b2) id dm0219.515dc7c6.121420; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 08:52:27 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 11:52:12 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac41IwaHflDGNlsfSpiLaXBywveNzwAFXKog engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-09_05:2013-04-09,2013-04-09,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304090113 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pulley Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel All the Tiger specific pulleys are single groove. C4JZ-6312-A - Crank pulley C4JZ-8509-A - Fan pulley, water pump pulley C2OF-10130-A - Generator pulley If you intend to run the HiPo at high rpm; you will need to use a larger pulley on the generator or alternator. HiPo generator pulley - C3OF-10130-B HiPo alternator pulley - C5AF-10A352-C Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 9:06 AM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Pulley Questions Are the correct for 66 MK 1A with 289 HiPo motor (not correct 260 motor for this year), single or double groove, water pump, generator and crank pulleys? Thanks Joel _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6234 - Release Date: 04/09/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 9 10:21:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9775345349 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 10:21:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB4544299 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 10:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r39GIqHE030124; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:20:22 -0700 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0224.515dc7b3.125089; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:19:56 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.179.178]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 16:19:53 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:19:50 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac41JdtS/b1OYtkWTcuzf8C4TIhVeAAFaj0g engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-09_05:2013-04-09,2013-04-09,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304090119 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carburator\Vacumn question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel The distributor bushing is B8QH-12120-A. A Google search indicates they are still available. The shaft depends on if it is an early style distributor, has oil port, or a later style distributor. The early style shaft - B8A-12175-A I don't have a part number for the later style distributor shaft - C5 number maybe. The choke tube pipes went into the stock right exhaust manifold which has a design feature to support those parts. You could design and weld a similar feature to the headers. I think most people go to an electric choke. I have also seen a thermister to put inline with the electric choke. The thermister is a heat reactive, it will couple the choke opening with engine heat. I think Holley makes one but I would have to look for that information. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 9:26 AM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Carburator\Vacumn question I installed SS headers on a 66 MK 1A with 289 HiPo motor, very difficult but done. Now my questions are 2 fold. Where does the carb gets it's vacuum from - Autolite 4100? Appears I will need vacuum for the brake booster, carb and possibly Petronix distributor, as I cannot find anyone who can get the parts for rebuilding the dual point FoMoCo distributor (shaft and bushings). The only vacuum I am aware is at the rear of the engine, top on the drivers side. Can this handle vacuum for all three? Also, options for auto choke heat tubes with headers, where this came from exhaust manifold with stock manifolds? Thanks as always Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6234 - Release Date: 04/09/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 9 12:52:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E112545556 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f49.google.com (mail-la0-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7483442AA for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:51:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id fs12so2038539lab.22 for ; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 11:50:27 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=kE+5wlkuL6X6Hz8lqQCMbRSQZO6V6w1IDT5PISAaVCw=; b=jKTnmp+yuRDGSpKe9eoHWARCfiyFaLlkLPBVUlg/WgbFx5u2Mv7Q6ccp8I8GfYBFdB Aqr1zD/wPbyk/VBaWbfq+GA6Mi/rDr4k6i741c0VCcv5LdxiHeFbIkk9hZKTVh8hfA1E 7sLMGAWDhtvfEsZqidej+d2F05XDrDRdEZOakTRDxpmp/5aLXMzwvV5AhPQVuVJSiNMm TIbO8SUWJWjEPHG45vnWpgKi0luoGzGluvvr5pNwLKR05eoVQ0UkyI1+aH3voytz2oqG vty2JhnL+Br3ji+IxExyKWkRlcMMPjBev8QrApsz3Hun6/1bihp/9tivZd/lxvL9YhDL w24g== pc5mr14660631lab.32.1365533427808; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 11:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.24.198 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 11:50:27 -0700 (PDT) References: <1365513982.74878.YahooMailClassic@web164701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 14:50:27 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" Cc: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carburator\Vacumn question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Do you really need a choke? I've never used one even in cold winters. At worse I need to feather the throttle for 30 second or so when cold. On Tuesday, April 9, 2013, Ron Fraser wrote: > Joel > The distributor bushing is B8QH-12120-A. A Google search indicates > they are still available. > The shaft depends on if it is an early style distributor, has oil port, or > a > later style distributor. > > The early style shaft - B8A-12175-A > I don't have a part number for the later style distributor shaft - C5 > number > maybe. > > The choke tube pipes went into the stock right exhaust manifold which has a > design feature to support those parts. > You could design and weld a similar feature to the headers. > > I think most people go to an electric choke. I have also seen a thermister > to put inline with the electric choke. > The thermister is a heat reactive, it will couple the choke opening with > engine heat. I think Holley makes one but I would have to look for that > information. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto: > tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ] > On Behalf Of Joel Martin > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 9:26 AM > To: Tiger List Serve > Subject: [Tigers] Carburator\Vacumn question > > > I installed SS headers on a 66 MK 1A with 289 HiPo motor, very difficult > but > done. Now my questions are 2 fold. Where does the carb gets it's vacuum > from > - Autolite 4100? > > Appears I will need vacuum for the brake booster, carb and possibly > Petronix > distributor, as I cannot find anyone who can get the parts for rebuilding > the dual point FoMoCo distributor (shaft and bushings). The only vacuum I > am aware is at the rear of the engine, top on the drivers side. Can this > handle vacuum for all three? > > Also, options for auto choke heat tubes with headers, where this came from > exhaust manifold with stock manifolds? > > Thanks as always > > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6234 - Release Date: 04/09/13 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 10 14:10:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD9642AAA for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:10:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D2E242AAA for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:09:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 7745 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2013 20:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (67.202.159.29) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2013 20:08:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:07:52 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] OT: Brake adapter fittings Info sought Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I am building a doo hickey that will hopefully let me load the new race car motor so I can tune it here in my shop. The doo hickey uses some English brake lines and fitting, the bubble flare kind and I foresee issues. The major one is that on the master cylinder I am using there are two brake fluid ports, One went to the front wheels and one to the back wheels. In their infinite wisdom, the Brits decided that while the brake lines them selves were ok at about an 1/8 inch in diameter, they needed different fittings on the master cylinder outlets. I need an adapter which adapts teh larger one down to the size of the smaller one, lol. The smaller one is about 7/16 wrench size while the larger is more than 1/2 inch. So, what I am asking you folk for is the names of some place that might actually have something like that. A place that has a catalog or online descriptions that will clue me in as to what I really need. These parts are from an mid 70s XJ-S master cylinder. any help out there? TIA mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 10 14:13:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7575345B10 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:13:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40B440409 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:12:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail171-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.248) by VA3EHSOBE012.bigfish.com (10.7.40.62) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:11:33 +0000 Received: from mail171-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail171-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27319801A0; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:11:33 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail171-va3: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail171-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail171-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1365624690121068_25849; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS013.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.231]) by mail171-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6781E004C; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by VA3EHSMHS013.bigfish.com (10.7.99.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:11:25 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:11:33 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.100]) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.181]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:11:24 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] OT: Brake adapter fittings Info sought Thread-Index: AQHONidKKj/BPzXvYkK8G4vZWTKbu5jP4pJg Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:11:23 +0000 References: <5165C698.6050302@mayfco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] OT: Brake adapter fittings Info sought Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Have you tried Pegasus Racing? They're a race shop but they do carry some oddball (for this side of the pond) British pipe fittings. > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield > Sent: April 10, 2013 2:08 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] OT: Brake adapter fittings Info sought > > I am building a doo hickey that will hopefully let me load the new race > car motor so I can tune it here in my shop. The doo hickey uses some > English brake lines and fitting, the bubble flare kind and I foresee > issues. The major one is that on the master cylinder I am using there > are two brake fluid ports, One went to the front wheels and one to the > back wheels. In their infinite wisdom, the Brits decided that while > the brake lines them selves were ok at about an 1/8 inch in diameter, > they needed different fittings on the master cylinder outlets. I need > an adapter which adapts teh larger one down to the size of the smaller > one, lol. The smaller one is about 7/16 wrench size while the larger is > more than 1/2 inch. So, what I am asking you folk for is the names of > some place that might actually have something like that. A place that > has a catalog or online descriptions that will clue me in as to what I > really need. These parts are from an mid 70s XJ-S master cylinder. > > any help out there? > > TIA > > mayf > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 10 14:16:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5495045B10 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:16:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe003.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.183]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798B544782 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:15:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail45-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.229) by CH1EHSOBE016.bigfish.com (10.43.70.66) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:14:41 +0000 Received: from mail45-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail45-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0874800EF; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:14:41 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail45-ch1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail45-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail45-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1365624877528249_31379; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS007.bigfish.com (snatpool2.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.237]) by mail45-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7525B1C0043; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CH1EHSMHS007.bigfish.com (10.43.70.7) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:14:33 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.180) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:14:50 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.100]) by OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.180]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:14:30 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] OT: Brake adapter fittings Info sought Thread-Index: AQHONidKKj/BPzXvYkK8G4vZWTKbu5jP4vmg Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:14:29 +0000 References: <5165C698.6050302@mayfco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] OT: Brake adapter fittings Info sought Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ... when we built a doohickey like that, we used Volvo calipers, the four piston kind where it had split circuits for each pair of pistons. We cross-drilled the interior of the calipers, cut the whatever-flare lines short and capped them (just with solder), and then drilled a new pressure port and tapped it 1/8NPT. That solved the adaptation problems. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield > Sent: April 10, 2013 2:08 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] OT: Brake adapter fittings Info sought > > I am building a doo hickey that will hopefully let me load the new race > car motor so I can tune it here in my shop. The doo hickey uses some > English brake lines and fitting, the bubble flare kind and I foresee > issues. The major one is that on the master cylinder I am using there > are two brake fluid ports, One went to the front wheels and one to the > back wheels. In their infinite wisdom, the Brits decided that while > the brake lines them selves were ok at about an 1/8 inch in diameter, > they needed different fittings on the master cylinder outlets. I need > an adapter which adapts teh larger one down to the size of the smaller > one, lol. The smaller one is about 7/16 wrench size while the larger is > more than 1/2 inch. So, what I am asking you folk for is the names of > some place that might actually have something like that. A place that > has a catalog or online descriptions that will clue me in as to what I > really need. These parts are from an mid 70s XJ-S master cylinder. > > any help out there? > > TIA > > mayf > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 10 14:18:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D173B45B65 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:18:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72FDA45B04 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:16:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F242BA0CFE for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:17:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:17:13 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" References: <5165C698.6050302@mayfco.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] OT: Brake adapter fittings Info sought Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If you lived here in Salt Lake you could just take the bits down to Evco House of Hose and see what they have on hand. Pegasus carries some British fittings, can't remember their web address right off hand, it shouldn't be hard to find. mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 00:27:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93EA942E4F for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:27:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C8843943 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBB3A0CFE for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:28:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:28:10 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: Tiger's List Subject: [Tigers] 22 and counting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net April 11th, 1991 - Team.Net becomes an official domain. For a few years before that, though, the basic foundation was getting built up. It has been a long ride from those days until now. We are still here. And we can continue on for who knows how many more years? If you'd like to help Team.Net continue, consider putting a few dollars towards keeping it on the air: http://www.team.net/donations.html mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 00:36:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE3645CB2 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:36:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DD045406 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:31:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44E9A0CFE for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:32:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:32:13 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: Tiger's List Subject: [Tigers] 22 and counting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net April 11th, 1991 - Team.Net becomes an official domain. For a few years before that, though, the basic foundation was getting built up. It has been a long ride from those days until now. We are still here. And we can continue on for who knows how many more years? If you'd like to help Team.Net continue, consider putting a few dollars towards keeping it on the air: http://www.team.net/donations.html mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 00:40:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DD145D3B for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:40:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269DD45D07 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A49A0CFE for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:41:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:41:24 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: Tiger's List References: <516658ED.9060407@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] 22 and counting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Oops. Didn't mean to send it twice. mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 11:10:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF02460B9 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:10:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2862C43194 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:09:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 13:08:43 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 13:08:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers - N.E. TAC inspection is ON Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net OK, the TAC inspection session for New England is ON. The date is Saturday, May 11, 2013. The location is at the Holiday Inn Express, 400 Old Loudon Road, Latham, NY. Latham is about 3 miles east of the Albany, New York airport. Inspections are set to begin at 11:30am and need to be over by 4pm, as two of the inspectors have flights home to make. So far, the folks who indicated an interest in inspections are: Owain L. John M. Don A. Tym M. Jeff R. Mark L. George R. For folks who might want to stay overnight, please contact the hotel as soon as you can for reservations. We do not have a block of rooms put aside because pretty much all those I talked to will be showing up and leaving the same day. If you have any questions, send me an email. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 16:27:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B95F44465 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:27:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D40443E4 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:25:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9A90D1C00015C for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 18:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqe003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.73]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4EA6FE00008A for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 18:24:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 18:24:39 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365719079; bh=hjkgFUWosAD0MWYfcK0HnedNjgH4CQEnDpo6hKUaD7M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sIm/rDV81pNHEg7GVdC0iRE8Pugv29m+pMGde55kqpzurzjQCPfe1h/FpOCymuMyj gdti1TrWwcOZgnMU/2sRRsTUxl6PUAg010fP7bHFk4keXdOHmwhJ8omLQJl/VdyoCW /UFV1n0z7QtQA82ALzM1dbElanCtOm3oUoDQspI4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c516738271d89 Subject: [Tigers] Shelly sticker on jack - source Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello I got a grreat picture of a Dale A. restoration focusing on details of the trunk. The jack has a perfect (new) Shelly sticker on it. Anybody know where I can buy one for my jack/trunk restoration? Best to everybody, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 09:28:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8013A44BD4 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:28:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s11.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s11.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23876448CD for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:28:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU166-DS21 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s11.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 12 Apr 2013 08:27:14 -0700 From: "Curt Bowland" To: "tigers" Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:27:14 -0500 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:27:14 -0500 FILETIME=[35B684F0:01CE3792] Subject: [Tigers] Magazine article Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings, The April issue of Classic & Sports Car magazine (getting a bit pricey @ $9.99 USD per copy/ UK # 4.70) has a great seven page full color track test of the "Monster" Tiger. There is even a small photo on the cover as well, calling attention to the article. Quite a lot of information that I have not seen in print before. Also included in the magazine is a smaller "tip in" magazine tribute to 100 years of Aston Martin. On inside of the very last page of this smaller magazine there is an ad by three Aston sales and service organizations. In the ad there is a head shot of a Siberian Tiger with the byline below it that states " rare breeds are worth saving"! Thought it a bit humorous that they would choose to use a Tiger. Enjoy, Curt in Chicago _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 15:12:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED28466BD for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:12:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50AF42E63 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 17:01:07 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 17:01:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers - Monster article and other off-topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Curt, Thanks for the heads up about the April 2013 Classic & Sports Car magazine article about the Alan Fraser team "Monster" Tiger(Does Chris Gruys own this?) Also has a short obit for Phil Remington, and separately stuff about the history of Aston Martin. Speaking of expensive magazines, the $15 quarterly Motor Trend Classic (Spring 2013) is out. Just highlights: Comparo of '76 Cosworth Vega versus '76 Capri II base model V6 (Stu, got that?), top 10 movie cars few people noticed, profile of Bob Bondurant today, Howard Weaver (Garaj Mahal private collection), comparo of MB 190 2.3-16 valve saloon versus BMW E30 M3 Sport Evolution, and auction of '68 Shelby GT500KR fastback, autobox in Lime Frost/Legend Green for only $78,100 including premium(and looking like it should be worth more). Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 08:11:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B69744678 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 08:11:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EECC443CF for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 08:06:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:05:14 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:05:14 -0400 Cc: greengear@ymail.com Subject: [Tigers] Tigers - Deadline to sign up for Albany TAC inspections Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The deadline to sign up for TAC inspections in Albany, NY is Saturday, April 20, 2013. The reason for the deadline is to insure that we will have enough time to inspect every car within the 4.5 hour window that inspectors will be in town, and to gauge whether we need to fly in additional inspectors to accomodate everyone. The date is Saturday, May 11, 2013. The location is at the Holiday Inn Express, 400 Old Loudon Road, Latham, NY. Latham is about 3 miles east of the Albany, New York airport. Inspections are set to begin at 11:30am and need to be over by 4pm, as two of the inspectors have flights home to make. So far, the folks who indicated an interest in inspections are: Owain L. John M. Don A. Tym M. Jeff R. Mark L. George R. Peter B (Ottawa) For folks who might want to stay overnight, please contact the hotel as soon as you can for reservations. We do not have a block of rooms held, as most people planned to come and go on the same day. If you have any questions, send me an email or call at (781)643-8736. If your name is on the above list, and you think you can not come, please let me know. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 12:35:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A0444D88 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:35:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ye0-f180.google.com (mail-ye0-f180.google.com [209.85.213.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E1B42EED for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:20:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ye0-f180.google.com with SMTP id q11so292601yen.25 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:18:36 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=rDFtMHpnhA+bhzf+cK6M2xtXwpzQBPYZUZel7rh3VKE=; b=oIa7BBvIhE51lmVkxEDYFI3C8XAmXrog4MAVLKi/YTFA/4CXoBk3g1tl+K7/uWXbxf J6orVcC3XGCKtFO++VlH3EG9EKcpWOjxsUbaFwnHRYVU/h7GeyvmWDVN9V4lCgHv9MXV QkdpqO8z8AksDBOCeiiw/Eu3nsSXa46IHaCGX1HP3c8GF3jN2ze8TIXcCMBRZTRYi3ju kRnqb8QkhcQ8yU9RSv7K5Qe7yzEWI2AXPEYJbntbXikA1IHvh0dke2uRwFVpxGUVJMw7 J9rPYoeBvTYqlv96gKyhWeqWeD5tmAwDHGc9o05qEpDDmBWfdWfdqVbKfePQ0N3F2gLC X86A== b65mr4794804yhe.49.1366222716501; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.238.203.96] (mobile-166-147-110-011.mycingular.net. [166.147.110.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s45sm11129598yhk.22.2013.04.17.11.18.34 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:18:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Holt Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:18:29 -0400 To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Spring startup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hey guys. Again I come to drink at the well. I live in Northern Utah and it's still pretty cold here but I pulled the Tiger out, charged the battery and fired it up. Fires up great then immediately quits. Fired it up and immediately quits. The starter miter gas always had a hard time disengaging after the start anyway, which I need to fix, (some kind of rewiring issue needed) but as I start it, the engine sounds great, for Agee seconds as long as I have the starter motor engaged. Quits immediately when it's on it's own, After a few tries, I see a steam out of a heater hose fitting. Immediately rolled it back into the garage worried about oil and coolant. Haven't had time to run through a check list. Would love to have some thoughts and ideas on what that check list should look like. Thanks ahead of time Jeff Holt Huntsville, UT _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 13:03:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E34644DC6 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:03:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f53.google.com (mail-vb0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B653B42DE4 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:36:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id i3so1487104vbh.26 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:34:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=evFTmC7kl3aiBFTAe1xzCfHk5Efhrhx9OV0FIYYx5Uc=; b=XMNYUbnYtzJIZVNWIUw8ymjeNK9/Goc+FhqYK7ntoiOtlM1TdpiviJctHLG9lilw75 ujy48w5ZiGio7BuTBrqcvqBMEOv3ImPOGP5O96PhzsYtO6W+dEmy0l1g5JNQ1bCa5NIZ laZex8NFGjUEcTlgDwYDMcTiZ6iFXbIAn7/RvH9QIblTPaomLGGi8IE7kwBOYAceEW3x R3yplxPCRf/1S/sppP/kkNEKH+wMSwWobCcvgiBzl5aP1ej/d2427zc2kOwFQ0WKBH16 p14vBb/Oqg32cwK9JbjiDvg3qwtz7h2ojRRq6yKB4VCIIibDgmYttiaVHNtuxF5E6Ge9 +6Qw== kb6mr5878486vec.21.1366223688016; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.41.3 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:34:47 -0700 (PDT) References: <274903C9-9EFD-445D-AC5D-F2149B661AB6@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:34:47 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Jeff Holt Cc: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spring startup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fuel pump? On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Jeff Holt wrote: > Hey guys. Again I come to drink at the well. > > I live in Northern Utah and it's still pretty cold here but I pulled the > Tiger > out, charged the battery and fired it up. Fires up great then immediately > quits. Fired it up and immediately quits. > > The starter miter gas always had a hard time disengaging after the start > anyway, which I need to fix, (some kind of rewiring issue needed) but as I > start it, the engine sounds great, for Agee seconds as long as I have the > starter motor engaged. Quits immediately when it's on it's own, > > After a few tries, I see a steam out of a heater hose fitting. > > Immediately rolled it back into the garage worried about oil and coolant. > Haven't had time to run through a check list. Would love to have some > thoughts > and ideas on what that check list should look like. > > Thanks ahead of time > Jeff Holt > Huntsville, UT > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 13:04:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6980144DC4 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:04:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA5A42DE4 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:39:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.175] by nm24.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2013 18:37:46 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.200] by tm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2013 18:37:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2013 18:37:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 16744 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2013 18:37:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366223866; bh=Vp32LWUyUJYjrwqAmbm5uUoWNRB+Hry8+SAIiLpwqQc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WDBUQnPuzBvDJODvple06e9WT7IkGpPAUiwYfI+2ylfNm5VYjNFZDa9ytuasUgPjpl6mL75w3yD0tJAlsUb38uE39UzA9hAfvPZVQXJE99wJaKSIZaXd8Yy5t8lNdBny1Gqe8K6KhLN6eFZ8E3qusvHmkBtDdrql630KGwnBsO8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=azdb3eXKv9WtypqBXlWbQniu0T3feleM9O7aBrR7LcRTaYkpHTn6JGT8BWzWiVYe5UGY6Y2hWnQGmn6SNmyVLWg9dwdFJLwb5Ou9nX1gNPnfUIqeXEwgb4EMEn6RWEVFqzYvLzuH/p2hluV6jMdv6Exvwu9LLGJ+f+NUCnhuMxU=; XMq1URjViuBJof2ZEXx08CnPvfenPZGCvFdcjPLes2GzlwOrwnFNWeSNx_Pm 6KzgP.ELteNB.KrQEBIGsfIR4iwSmj0ZNdAVMGNnsUmlj70dN9HYjkKzoKTZ eB3WY0l.avrKaB71SkNgdzfO8dmoB2PIyAB.O_kuQO6RU9K4H9YbCAxYHZsF B3LTF8X_GPORZIDRxlkPa2gSiwjRM9Wn1PR.LqXJeVcmamwCt_KxEGVJdMLH mCMNTfzYUZs2n1jm3q7amBMpRujETAuZ2H7XmMCGT0dvpFEkg1gzzqxIOpkt W7XAybfvRZlihnghNNxYxEIn6gDyeDrZ_xTH_hpKHILUiyU63vbGP0yVNqm9 Apq6gLmDDfCR58Ge.hzIiRTxhi5U6vPv1vov6wHKVmrfSvsX3JJtc3uwiQPP khE55xbIMKxUyTTdbqyg2oY.HbS5uvOfw.e39bI7mJQ7hjI9syfb9rREpXgC _ Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:37:46 PDT V2VyZSBmbGV4IHJhZGlhdG9yIGhvc2VzIHVzZWQgb24gTUsgMUHCoG9yIGEgc21vb3RoIG1vbGRlZCwgcGF0dGVybj8NCsKgDQpXZXJlIHRoZSBzcGFyayBwbHVnIHdpcmUgc2VwZXJhdG9ycyBtZXRhbCBvciBwbGFzdGljIGFuZCBob3cgbWFueSwgNCB3aXJlIGhvbGRlciBvbiB2YWx2ZSBjb3ZlciwgMiBvciAzIHdpcmUgaG9sZGVyIGluIG90aGVyIGxvY2F0aW9ucz_CoCBBbnkgcGFydCBudW1iZXJzIHdvdWxkIGJlIGFwcHJlY2lhdGVkLg0KwqANClRoYW5rcw0KSm9lbCBNYXJ0aW4BMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:37:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Hoses and spark plug wire seperators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Were flex radiator hoses used on MK 1A or a smooth molded, pattern? Were the spark plug wire seperators metal or plastic and how many, 4 wire holder on valve cover, 2 or 3 wire holder in other locations? Any part numbers would be appreciated. Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 13:04:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0A844DE4 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-pocinrl09.gannett.com (ent-pocinrl09.gannett.com [167.8.66.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2774942C24 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:59:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ENT-POCEXHUB06.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.30.0.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-pocinrl09.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34ECAF014C; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ent-mocexhub01.us.ad.gannett.com (172.20.1.86) by ENT-POCEXHUB06.us.ad.gannett.com (172.30.0.227) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.264.0; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:57:36 -0400 Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::d1ee:ba6b:7083:d0d]) by ent-mocexhub01.us.ad.gannett.com ([::1]) with mapi; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:57:35 -0400 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Jeff Holt , Tiger List Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:57:33 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Spring startup Thread-Index: Ac47mgdaWN+dljW3SWmw+m0zSPdhdAAAXiEQ References: <274903C9-9EFD-445D-AC5D-F2149B661AB6@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spring startup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The starting issue sounds as though one of the wires to the ballast resistor may have come disconnected. As for the steam, are you sure it was steam and not smoke from an overheated wire in the starting circuit? -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Holt Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:18 AM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Spring startup Hey guys. Again I come to drink at the well. I live in Northern Utah and it's still pretty cold here but I pulled the Tiger out, charged the battery and fired it up. Fires up great then immediately quits. Fired it up and immediately quits. The starter miter gas always had a hard time disengaging after the start anyway, which I need to fix, (some kind of rewiring issue needed) but as I start it, the engine sounds great, for Agee seconds as long as I have the starter motor engaged. Quits immediately when it's on it's own, After a few tries, I see a steam out of a heater hose fitting. Immediately rolled it back into the garage worried about oil and coolant. Haven't had time to run through a check list. Would love to have some thoughts and ideas on what that check list should look like. Thanks ahead of time Jeff Holt Huntsville, UT _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 13:21:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BECA44DE5 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:20:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F13F44963 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:08:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R5B91l0021wfjNsAE77HHc; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:07:17 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R77H1l0062xZMJ48j77HPE; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:07:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:07:17 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Jere Teepen s=q20121106; t=1366225637; bh=tXR++dnGIHMb+QbIbR0HF1NsPG5ylQOyxndGnWLPs0w=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ky7+sVRK06U4ZYFPMRKsbFyLKUogLdR86f45KVAtkZ3O/CQAodfOcDNiCqBtc5qIg Z13ntDg9egqhyrdaEHyJkTGawHlOoeZpJs+nPSwJX3Bcu+jSuA8bz8PM3OurYzr8kt LJxpXQui44VG6PV5yGOV/lrc7alz5J6j18nBUE+jdykINpECKcs5viKfY2MpxqfICB fjjPsOVvGpRGk0AUeMbMvgquCWRrIx5GgT2pEJz0df75uQaGwiXpDXJ9+bI+oFn6zA 4vLSgJ+K54yDlAJVHtAm2tgNuSkjzyWu6TRDLaXgxbNUuBCDBU3c81RiwcwAushUhd Oz6Kc9ShRkx6g== Cc: Jeff Holt , Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spring startup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with Jere. I seem to recall having the same problem years ago and it turned out to be a loose connection at the ballast resistor. Even if everything looks connected, make sure firm contact is being made. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jere Teepen" To: "Jeff Holt" , "Tiger List" Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:57:33 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spring startup The starting issue sounds as though one of the wires to the ballast resistor may have come disconnected. As for the steam, are you sure it was steam and not smoke from an overheated wire in the starting circuit? -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Holt Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:18 AM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Spring startup Hey guys. Again I come to drink at the well. I live in Northern Utah and it's still pretty cold here but I pulled the Tiger out, charged the battery and fired it up. Fires up great then immediately quits. Fired it up and immediately quits. The starter miter gas always had a hard time disengaging after the start anyway, which I need to fix, (some kind of rewiring issue needed) but as I start it, the engine sounds great, for Agee seconds as long as I have the starter motor engaged. Quits immediately when it's on it's own, After a few tries, I see a steam out of a heater hose fitting. Immediately rolled it back into the garage worried about oil and coolant. Haven't had time to run through a check list. Would love to have some thoughts and ideas on what that check list should look like. Thanks ahead of time Jeff Holt Huntsville, UT _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 13:22:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC5344EA6 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B77144963 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.175] by nm27.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2013 19:07:25 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.225] by tm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2013 19:07:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2013 19:07:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 35872 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2013 19:07:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366225644; bh=vJZsd7lyRlN7CB6NUbkHE2U24yDGoIWS3L1PHR5sAWc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Zq5QdbTLGzx9MZ7h1IT+sDJ41+rAI7vkZ+KiI6x3i8qcQEj1Aetihv8mE1E5Re15u5bSLVKZEmBXHroNa2Xyjn2gbJslK9JauMrHXfrGkxMzC+eg7ZN0mYsTUyEeFMjeO5Lxgn5d8t8jyr+XruPhVwnDyZt5O+up7GN8hZMLzJI= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qKF82vpedSDi850Xht4jS+xWLBja4NpDEWjhNKGOhezAQH4RvvvAU9EKX7En3FsoZRy6dMIkLEpyIgFF5eaB8oWHKDUyRnoyAX1rHknd7TAuN+u7gqeQ1CWxYtqC9dNh9PbGN7TkeCDgba7axWN+76xsEPRsAcdQW8lDYngJuyI=; imoLR1aGUQOkJ7clRqdUjHazf63sUKzP97u8OIM9pXvfvc0O684V0XVmZgiQ 1.JnCscjys7bO6NTAIhCHIO1MDLdIl9h2S2.BnchP2bEmy8OTAoLOmp_YsaG pxyiC1VUGd6GehfBMWLZ.l3A8HoFCQO9CnnZwbx.89HFilq6k_4wEesUkxkm qbBizcdUrdIMsNwMovEC2J0BTGmuZBpDf22VyV1wm5Kx61lwnL6j0zm_OKBu DmcwoR8hlgXxbuMY9agTiFvMKKxK.2f7ZR2FeCsNkzgD7PetA27RPye_jQwK mLTOlv8OJ0Z85RWhRqCA8eD3xaLNPVp0Zc3VezFFwu0Zx2yconbiZyNQR1eM IeSDckcSHgh5tX0GssPKB70Hzc5sUKBYxAtYEiVouxuhdxHc45VdgjDBrpmv w7Ql8KCwm9WrcdrvkuE9iKSBqzDnbZhjPeRDlIH7o1LQDGMaS0CtF83McVtC L Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:07:24 PDT DQoNCg0KDQoNCkFsbA0KwqANCkRvZXMgYW55b25lIGtub3cgYSBwYXJ0IG51bWJlciBvZiBjb3JyZWN0IHRoZXJtb3N0YXQgaG91c2luZz_CoCBEb2VzIGl0IGhhdmUganVzdCBvbmUgbmlwcGxlIGZvciBhIDY2IE1LIDFBIDI4OSBtb3Rvcj_CoCBJIHdpbGwgYmUgaW5zdGFsbGluZyB0aGUgaGVhdGVyIGNvcmUuDQrCoA0KQWxzbywgSSBwdXJjaGFzZWQgdGhlIEZNUy1NLTY4ODAtQTUwwqAgwqAgwqDCoMKgOTAgREVHUkVFIE9JTCBGSUxURVIgQURBUFRPUi7CoCBUaGlzIHJlcXVpcmVzIGEgbmlwcGxlIGFkYXABMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:07:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net All Does anyone know a part number of correct thermostat housing? Does it have just one nipple for a 66 MK 1A 289 motor? I will be installing the heater core. Also, I purchased the FMS-M-6880-A50 90 DEGREE OIL FILTER ADAPTOR. This requires a nipple adapter that goes into the block and then into the bolt of the adapter. In checking with Summit, they said it was 3/4" x16 on both sides. Apparently not, anyone know the correct nipple to purchase with part number aaa x size on the block side and 3/4 x 16 on the adapter side. Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 13:22:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D052542F91 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:22:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0DB44DC7 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:14:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MLE006RNYOZ9UA2@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:12:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <274903C9-9EFD-445D-AC5D-F2149B661AB6@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:12:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spring startup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I often find that cars that have sat for a long time have fuel filter clogging issues. If the car is used often the sediment churns, but left sitting for a period of time it settles and solidifies. If you can confirm that the fuel pump is functioning then the filter is a cheap and easy "second guess." Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 13:52:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B64542FFD for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:52:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE8D4296A for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:45:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail110-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.234) by VA3EHSOBE010.bigfish.com (10.7.40.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:43:42 +0000 Received: from mail110-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail110-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4953005AD; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:43:41 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail110-va3: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail110-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail110-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1366227820186751_29151; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS030.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.237]) by mail110-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273DFE0070; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by VA3EHSMHS030.bigfish.com (10.7.99.40) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:43:40 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT06.ad.garmin.com (10.2.0.28) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:43:58 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.100]) by olawpa-exht06.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.0.28]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:43:38 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter Thread-Index: AQHOO6ClNx2d7nxnT0iqMNcTTcCkwpja0FDg Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:43:36 +0000 References: <1366225644.35837.YahooMailClassic@web164704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Google is your friend... F1AZ6890B Apparently this part is about $8.66 at your local Ford parts counter. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin > Sent: April 17, 2013 1:07 PM > To: Tiger List Serve > Subject: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter > > All > > Does anyone know a part number of correct thermostat housing? Does it > have just one nipple for a 66 MK 1A 289 motor? I will be installing > the heater core. > > Also, I purchased the FMS-M-6880-A50 90 DEGREE OIL FILTER > ADAPTOR. This > requires a nipple adapter that goes into the block and then into the > bolt of the adapter. In checking with Summit, they said it was 3/4" > x16 on both sides. Apparently not, anyone know the correct nipple to > purchase with part number aaa x size on the block side and 3/4 x 16 on > the adapter side. > > Thanks > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 13:53:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEB6448CD for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:53:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe006.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.189]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705344296A for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:51:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail119-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.249) by CO1EHSOBE015.bigfish.com (10.243.66.78) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:49:47 +0000 Received: from mail119-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail119-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D403405D3 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:49:46 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail119-co1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail119-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail119-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1366228184232450_31745; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS032.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.246]) by mail119-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F532006C for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CO1EHSMHS032.bigfish.com (10.243.66.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:49:42 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.180) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:50:20 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.100]) by OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.180]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:49:40 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Tiger List Serve Thread-Topic: Yet another remote oil filter block adapter Thread-Index: Ac47pLImdOZOpnooSrmZAjG8j9Q0ZQ== Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:49:39 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: [Tigers] Yet another remote oil filter block adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Google (again!) came up with this one. Haven't seen that style before. http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Hy-Lube-S-B-Ford-Remote-Oil-Filter-Adapter,115. html Depending on exactly how far the front header tube overhangs the oil filter adapter zone, this may work for you. Cheers, Theo ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 14:22:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8488144E62 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:22:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4291A44E74 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:22:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r3HKHd4C017684; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:20:52 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id sj1-dm103.515dc802.279b3c; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:20:33 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.176.117]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:20:30 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:20:25 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac47niYTo12WjkGYRFKIIjfGqi0wQQACWekg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-17_06:2013-04-17,2013-04-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304170203 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Hoses and spark plug wire seperators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel Radiator hoses are smooth molded. Sunbeam Specialties carries them. Spark plug wire separators; Shop Manual and Magazine pictures of the day indicate the following 2 - valve cover wire holders - B8Q-12297-A 2 - 4 wire separators - B6A-12297-A Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:38 PM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Hoses and spark plug wire seperators Were flex radiator hoses used on MK 1A or a smooth molded, pattern? Were the spark plug wire seperators metal or plastic and how many, 4 wire holder on valve cover, 2 or 3 wire holder in other locations? Any part numbers would be appreciated. Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6250 - Release Date: 04/17/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 14:54:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D5B44E9B for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:54:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A3B4398D for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:49:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r3HKh0k1017148; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:47:35 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id sj1-dm103.515dc802.27af8b; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:47:33 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.176.117]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:47:30 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jeff Holt'" , "'Tiger List'" Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:47:27 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac47mgvXig5f7RZYQHemB1POjBTksgAEHi4g engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-17_06:2013-04-17,2013-04-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304170211 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spring startup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jeff When the starter motor is running there is 12v going to the coil - White/ Blue wire. When you turn the key to Run position the White wire on the ignition switch goes through the Tach to the ballast resistor to the coil. Your able to fire the engine in start position. Run position it quits. Check all along the white wire from the ignition switch to the coil for good connections or bad wires. Sometimes a ballast resistor will short to ground. Its possible the fuel system is the problem too. Starting condition would go to no start at all if true. Can you hear the electric fuel pump work? If no; check that the fuel pump is working If yes. Is the fuel bowl of the carb full of fuel? If no; fuel filter or line maybe clogged. If yes; system should be OK. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Holt Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:18 PM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Spring startup Hey guys. Again I come to drink at the well. I live in Northern Utah and it's still pretty cold here but I pulled the Tiger out, charged the battery and fired it up. Fires up great then immediately quits. Fired it up and immediately quits. The starter miter gas always had a hard time disengaging after the start anyway, which I need to fix, (some kind of rewiring issue needed) but as I start it, the engine sounds great, for Agee seconds as long as I have the starter motor engaged. Quits immediately when it's on it's own, After a few tries, I see a steam out of a heater hose fitting. Immediately rolled it back into the garage worried about oil and coolant. Haven't had time to run through a check list. Would love to have some thoughts and ideas on what that check list should look like. Thanks ahead of time Jeff Holt Huntsville, UT _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6250 - Release Date: 04/17/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 15:09:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7409B42B1A for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E13443BC for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:00:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r3HKvgcH012083; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:58:33 -0700 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0225.515dc7b1.265f22; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:58:30 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.176.117]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:58:28 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:58:24 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac47oJ57+qpr499oTrOyXgAnRqhIagADHvuw engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-17_06:2013-04-17,2013-04-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304170216 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel Thermostat housing only has 1 nipple for any 260 or 289 engine. C3OZ-8594-B original thermostat housing Your chances of finding a good original part is low. This part is carried by Sunbeam Specialties and you will find it in most or all early Mustang catalogs; probably other places too. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:07 PM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter All Does anyone know a part number of correct thermostat housing? Does it have just one nipple for a 66 MK 1A 289 motor? I will be installing the heater core. Also, I purchased the FMS-M-6880-A50 90 DEGREE OIL FILTER ADAPTOR. This requires a nipple adapter that goes into the block and then into the bolt of the adapter. In checking with Summit, they said it was 3/4" x16 on both sides. Apparently not, anyone know the correct nipple to purchase with part number aaa x size on the block side and 3/4 x 16 on the adapter side. Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6250 - Release Date: 04/17/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 15:11:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BB344ECB for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:11:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0737C4296A for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:02:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130417210037.SDMN2869.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:00:37 -0400 Received: from eastrmwml303 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id R90d1l00V4h0NJL0190dgw; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:00:37 -0400 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=UyHOC7Gu_PIA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=wYF9oxyaa3kA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=qaZ-FYAMaIUsA1o04k8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 204.61.12.74 by webmail.east.cox.net; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:00:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:00:37 -0400 From: To: Tiger List , Jeff Holt Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spring startup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yep, Jeff...I agree with some of the other guys that the fault is more than likely in your ballast resistor. I have had this problem with my Tiger before and, upon inspection, found one of the two wires going to the resistor loose inside it's terminal. I tightened it up and have not had the problem since. I also had a good friend who had this same thing happen to him on his Tiger while we were at the Texas Shelby Meet back in the '80s. As it turned out, his ballast resistor had gone bad and shorted out inside. He got the car home by connecting the two wires together and bypassing the resistor. It'll run like that, but it will fry the points in the distributor fairly quickly. Best of luck, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ---- Jeff Holt wrote: > Hey guys. Again I come to drink at the well. > > I live in Northern Utah and it's still pretty cold here but I pulled the Tiger > out, charged the battery and fired it up. Fires up great then immediately > quits. Fired it up and immediately quits. > > The starter miter gas always had a hard time disengaging after the start > anyway, which I need to fix, (some kind of rewiring issue needed) but as I > start it, the engine sounds great, for Agee seconds as long as I have the > starter motor engaged. Quits immediately when it's on it's own, > > After a few tries, I see a steam out of a heater hose fitting. > > Immediately rolled it back into the garage worried about oil and coolant. > Haven't had time to run through a check list. Would love to have some thoughts > and ideas on what that check list should look like. > > Thanks ahead of time > Jeff Holt > Huntsville, UT > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 15:29:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A66E431B6 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:29:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31BC42958 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:05:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130417210328.MHJ9172.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:03:28 -0400 Received: from eastrmwml303 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id R93U1l00Y4h0NJL0193UaH; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:03:28 -0400 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:17 a=AR_eELu0x74A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=UyHOC7Gu_PIA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=5RJuhZo8Fk0A:10 a=UnzTgHv9AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=soBKS3yF2Fd_-tG_fBYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=a0o1xVR2z_QA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=Hm467ItQdqJuZPpt:21 a=Q_qLkOPHom8jV_D4:21 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 204.61.12.74 by webmail.east.cox.net; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:03:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:03:28 -0400 From: To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, 'Joel Martin' , 'Tiger List Serve' Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Hoses and spark plug wire seperators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net And, Joel, the seperators were plastic. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ---- Ron Fraser wrote: > Joel > Radiator hoses are smooth molded. Sunbeam Specialties carries them. > > Spark plug wire separators; Shop Manual and Magazine pictures of the day > indicate the following > > 2 - valve cover wire holders - B8Q-12297-A > > 2 - 4 wire separators - B6A-12297-A > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Joel Martin > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:38 PM > To: Tiger List Serve > Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Hoses and spark plug wire seperators > > > Were flex radiator hoses used on MK 1A or a smooth molded, pattern? > > Were the spark plug wire seperators metal or plastic and how many, 4 wire > holder on valve cover, 2 or 3 wire holder in other locations? Any part > numbers would be appreciated. > > Thanks > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6250 - Release Date: 04/17/13 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 16:12:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B9144EBB for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:12:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDEF44EB6 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id ar20so2623882iec.28 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:58:24 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index; bh=GAuYjRYjMacAgVolXL/MJk7IZP/0HVst1bSdpglF1os=; b=lWzPPqEuiO+GfIMm4x03lMAymzsS4sz1FqLzfBwHEo2d1Zqq1ZUYKSdhDD4qR/ncxJ UgDIIP2qesWQ7r2K8bT8k7/xYoMBl671MCLJcrNXzwONBzFuUdqksVXlk6mQ8FNfai9c dBYSLY+ogYIOwEBdaOcpkBgV6zfi4P3dRvy9AK+Erc5vDUYUyFl1fDd/dYlCc7micFlw wvWuc6TSdbJOuJsYajD0H/1Mjr91TmpGVAzBAgH9yI8J/ppHJd503RXhiDUhHIo9++Me fvpMjivfsODgxrFo9NnlR13+jVaNU2jFwbiSdSPoKO6WUiCKTlrF5VYkQZvqloopeYh9 LGfA== a3mr4567122icw.8.1366235904271; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from delld630 (adsl-108-89-240-163.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net. [108.89.240.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qs4sm9373797igb.10.2013.04.17.14.58.23 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:58:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark Rense" To: Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:58:23 -0400 thread-index: Ac47tq5FKgx47EyxTmeK/jYzjhVtfw== Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID Plate Stamping Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Doing the finishing touches now on B382001465, I have a nice shiny new engine plate from Rick that I need to be stamped. Anybody in the group still do this for a reasonable fee? Bugz _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 16:43:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CD4450E2 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:43:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1A544A42 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:39:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo110 ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130417223818.EMO2869.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo110> for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:38:18 -0400 Received: from laptop ([68.229.231.4]) by eastrmimpo110 with cox id RAeH1l00X06M2ss01AeJWc; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:38:18 -0400 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:17 a=aF8IbEW0w2kA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=uzZx8cQIxEMA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=a8Q_Emh7-7A_0P40zGoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=awtiger@cox.net From: "Andy Walker" To: "'Mark Rense'" , References: Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:38:17 -0500 thread-index: AQDseY2HMN5NVSAyXAHiNyYVHuhzSpqehQ5Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine ID Plate Stamping Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm also interested in this, too. I've got one of those plates as well and would like to get it stamped as the originals were. Does anybody out there do this? Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Rense Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:58 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID Plate Stamping Doing the finishing touches now on B382001465, I have a nice shiny new engine plate from Rick that I need to be stamped. Anybody in the group still do this for a reasonable fee? Bugz _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 17:30:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11F944C84 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:30:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4072244393 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:18:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004960.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r3HNFAB9017573; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:17:18 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018914d) id dm0219.515dc7c6.27c7b6; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:16:35 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Andy Walker'" , "'Mark Rense'" , Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:16:29 -0400 Thread-Index: AQDseY2HMN5NVSAyXAHiNyYVHuhzSpqehQ5QgAAKEYA= engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-17_08:2013-04-17,2013-04-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304170252 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine ID Plate Stamping Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Andy & Mark Your talking about the Sunbeam LTD emblem for the valve cover right? Not the aluminum engine ID tag. Here is a note from Duke Samouce for the Sunbeam LTD emblem. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:54 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Engine decal done....and done very well. A happy Friday evening to you all, The engine decal was had stamped by Larry Atkisson for $35. Here is his email - catkisson@aol.com http://e28-535i.com/upload/tgr2.JPG You can see the progress on the engine here - http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9028 Thanks for looking Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andy Walker Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:38 PM To: 'Mark Rense'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine ID Plate Stamping I'm also interested in this, too. I've got one of those plates as well and would like to get it stamped as the originals were. Does anybody out there do this? Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Rense Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:58 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID Plate Stamping Doing the finishing touches now on B382001465, I have a nice shiny new engine plate from Rick that I need to be stamped. Anybody in the group still do this for a reasonable fee? Bugz _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6250 - Release Date: 04/17/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 17:32:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BAD45127 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:32:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66AB242A0B for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:28:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RBP81l0010b6N64A4BSgeT; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 23:26:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.91] ([67.164.102.155]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RBSf1l00f3MALtP8PBSgeN; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 23:26:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:26:45 -0700 From: Tom Hall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <274903C9-9EFD-445D-AC5D-F2149B661AB6@gmail.com> s=q20121106; t=1366241200; bh=O652qldLeSW+wwB0eDKYswYzrMTmL/VbBIyjtzKAQWY=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=aa7Kxh24Yr5WzihQxKstLN48bcyuhX6NBwK7Xun4fbX++GiY5aCcVjlfxxKikf+BP 3Qq9jZwCuUyBG2ObFuBJAcCy+UCvNCCJ4IQLrnHDwesnWwFlntKYW6T0B3NC9t1Fef siCsoX6UpiuoLg8MPwg5hwyEgBQeMsHK63RPZJS/yD9/bQpwhXSW/KEOJv/EtE1/nG 1/Ck4pKcVk1+5c26DO5UYvJeORcUBEEqDS95y74wx2BV2VV1yiRSO1HQXJW7iogqQA ck5toVFfK1zKA87TSrHtZXkichJM5XsJlNlVsTdqhpw6D+OO953pg3lntWv9iNARDo taodEV+nfGheA== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spring startup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On 4/17/2013 11:57 AM, Teepen, Jere wrote: > The starting issue sounds as though one of the wires to the ballast resistor > may have come disconnected. As for the steam, are you sure it was steam and > not smoke from an overheated wire in the starting circuit? > > Guys, Jeff has a 302 crate engine with an MSD 6AL ignition. There is no balast resistor that I know of, but then, I didn't wire his car. It sounds like he's not getting 12 volts continous from the ignition switch and someone has provided the 6AL with the ignition power from the white/blue wire from a solenoid. It has run in the past and this is a new problem, so something has changed. He was supplied a new starter with integral solenoid. I don't know if the OEM remote solenoid was retained or discarded. It has to have the 12 volt primary to the 6AL, or it wouldn't fire at all. I think the car needs some serious wiring help. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 18:32:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4578D45069 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A28740321 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:30:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo110 ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130418002900.BLHH26738.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo110> for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:29:00 -0400 Received: from laptop ([68.229.231.4]) by eastrmimpo110 with cox id RCUz1l00f06M2ss01CV0W6; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:29:00 -0400 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:17 a=aF8IbEW0w2kA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=uzZx8cQIxEMA:10 a=UnzTgHv9AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=-AG_jRzuAAAA:8 a=gpkrIBUcAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=3d7k94t8NvKiZ2ztnb4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Ch_7sWdNG9QA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=XhYA23H9iiwA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=I3Dn2CFdWDcA:10 a=a0o1xVR2z_QA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=Qj9M0aWcS9qarEbF:21 a=cSsXPIfhp9Kckp_0:21 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=awtiger@cox.net From: "Andy Walker" To: , "'Mark Rense'" , References: <001501ce3bbc$41a73290$c4f597b0$@cox.net> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:28:59 -0500 Thread-Index: AQHi95l7MzHubj9OgnTtg+690udib5ixoNgg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine ID Plate Stamping Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ron: Fantastic...that's exactly what I'm talking about. Please don't get me wrong...I'm not trying to alter or create an ID tag at all. This is only regarding the engine sticker on the valve cover. I'll be contacting Larry per Duke's note. Thanks again, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:16 PM To: 'Andy Walker'; 'Mark Rense'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Engine ID Plate Stamping Andy & Mark Your talking about the Sunbeam LTD emblem for the valve cover right? Not the aluminum engine ID tag. Here is a note from Duke Samouce for the Sunbeam LTD emblem. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:54 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Engine decal done....and done very well. A happy Friday evening to you all, The engine decal was had stamped by Larry Atkisson for $35. Here is his email - catkisson@aol.com http://e28-535i.com/upload/tgr2.JPG You can see the progress on the engine here - http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9028 Thanks for looking Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andy Walker Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:38 PM To: 'Mark Rense'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine ID Plate Stamping I'm also interested in this, too. I've got one of those plates as well and would like to get it stamped as the originals were. Does anybody out there do this? Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Rense Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:58 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID Plate Stamping Doing the finishing touches now on B382001465, I have a nice shiny new engine plate from Rick that I need to be stamped. Anybody in the group still do this for a reasonable fee? Bugz _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6250 - Release Date: 04/17/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 19:36:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10314451C3 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:36:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-03.shaw.ca (smtp-out-03.shaw.ca [64.59.136.139]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BEB45175 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:35:43 -0600 (MDT) cv=KbdnvV9g8TRf6O+NCh6TOyF5LS0weEPBhaAycnKeCs0= c=1 sm=1 a=QTFOEh9fAJMA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=07qYva9XFuPVsmUOanpuKQ==:17 a=CnmMl7Z8kk-EKAeKT_AA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.104]) ([184.64.56.176]) by smtp-out-03.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 17 Apr 2013 19:32:54 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:34:03 -0600 From: Theo Smit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <274903C9-9EFD-445D-AC5D-F2149B661AB6@gmail.com> <516F2FB5.4050403@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spring startup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The integral solenoid on my starter draws something like 20 amps. That was enough to soften the insulation on the white/red wire going from the ignition keyswitch to the starter, and it ended up touching another wire and shorting to it. This is what killed my autocross at Suni V... if Jeff's starter is anything like mine, it should be wired using one of the little Bosch cube relays to keep the current draw through the ignition switch at reasonable levels. I have my MSD 6AL wired with the heavy power wire going to the junction point that replaces the OEM remote solenoid - it's where the heavy brown wires terminate in the OEM wiring. The ignition switched wire (small red wire on the MSD) goes to the 'run' position on the keyswitch; that would be the white wires on the OEM color scheme. I use the reluctor sensing on the MSD so the white wire is insulated and taped off; Jeff should check that whatever triggering scheme he's using, the other wire(s) are properly insulated and not shorting against anything. Theo On 4/17/2013 5:26 PM, Tom Hall wrote: > > Guys, Jeff has a 302 crate engine with an MSD 6AL ignition. There is > no balast resistor that I know of, but then, I didn't wire his car. > It sounds like he's not getting 12 volts continous from the ignition > switch and someone has provided the 6AL with the ignition power from > the white/blue wire from a solenoid. It has run in the past and this > is a new problem, so something has changed. He was supplied a new > starter with integral solenoid. I don't know if the OEM remote > solenoid was retained or discarded. It has to have the 12 volt > primary to the 6AL, or it wouldn't fire at all. I think the car needs > some serious wiring help. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 18 07:06:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9812E4539F for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og111.obsmtp.com (exprod5og111.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.22]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4AF42270 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:04:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpmlip10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.5.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob111.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUW/vEco87uw+tOjJiRxfZneLPfPoogDr@postini.com; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:03:17 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO cinmlef06.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.213.37]) by alpmlip10.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 18 Apr 2013 09:03:11 -0400 Received: from alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.18.12]) by cinmlef06.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:03:11 -0400 Received: from CINMLCH02.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.51]) by alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:03:11 -0400 Received: from CINMBAPD04.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.70) by CINMLCH02.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:03:07 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.221]) by CINMBAPD04.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.10.122]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:03:06 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" , 'Andy Walker' , 'Mark Rense' , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Engine ID Plate Stamping Thread-Index: Ac47tq5FKgx47EyxTmeK/jYzjhVtfwAJxnCAAAFViYAAFHlyQA== Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:03:06 +0000 References: <001501ce3bbc$41a73290$c4f597b0$@cox.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.191] FILETIME=[1454FB50:01CE3C35] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine ID Plate Stamping Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Ron! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:16 PM To: 'Andy Walker'; 'Mark Rense'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine ID Plate Stamping Andy & Mark Your talking about the Sunbeam LTD emblem for the valve cover right? Not the aluminum engine ID tag. Here is a note from Duke Samouce for the Sunbeam LTD emblem. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:54 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Engine decal done....and done very well. A happy Friday evening to you all, The engine decal was had stamped by Larry Atkisson for $35. Here is his email - catkisson@aol.com http://e28-535i.com/upload/tgr2.JPG You can see the progress on the engine here - http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9028 Thanks for looking Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 18 08:37:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C634534F for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:37:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.191]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C914F45233 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:36:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.189] by nm12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2013 14:35:02 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.250] by tm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2013 14:35:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1058.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2013 14:35:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 70882 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2013 14:35:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366295702; bh=5/iNhFJGvai/CyQ1XN3cetXzM5Axo84hGOafKcUWRRo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XmgXwlio0UxAkUyhcIRLfsfnfve8P4CtpWWxmV/xp+1insLWqfVEfXhp6OppY0Xya1BBVK89rLDrzQRjnp0YRCrYW9Qym7jQTGe7CSJcodwzpbfNkf1DFh0MQF5qtQzjiWSEYQUmHQiwgcR9geQqeRUIcxvWufHhRktiCXgUyIE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cbb9RtikbWKb5zW2dN9zoHx2cwTeriq87KaTPGYJcq+t2eo951Ccx/dYh+8r3cY389lxqsO6NLkYTtvQgEhpVBgFh+r0aC/9G+DI7sc2Fdt8ki0x5RmH4xNWkcIQ1uvHs8eu8LQJ6d/qKGnXDxC9C8P4izDVK144EIPe2rOtw7Y=; d3URF3_ZW5io22aLYmuX80wtbMPnHg9DIm4EVf.p1jO8Xqiem2fp6iRGsdCp qDUnxyPnslV2xFfdV_3_wyr9N0vle5tvcjzOIYAoB4htRzaJemZVvpE9irL8 Mh0keJ_UmN9pg8K3s0w02G3hcB5mxQnOdLOrez.ZZ2Gu1VYIXLdI.b40CGD3 GIsuXabGLqUL7slw0DAJC7cWoxFqMzswfJgsFG3VhALCb5r7F8MsebmxRQRn swguKrBiQZP4K8z2aQOB.mGQpBWM6XJVEW.qObsx_1TpmjEc2CXtHM5EBHLh NAuPUsIijv0SV_fH_pUqKGn79OsQ87Udm.vocUrVKpwPAMyDDi_iD0DAg1tN Vvfa0jjOTC1sQAvQ7gDxkU5JboKQjOsKSnRL_zvrRAz5_83PkrSEvtrRnVTO P5No8Z5Faqpud9I.Ct9OM4LGvkcoK2.RqHFOQzBUAQXIVsFRAFEkSgZ4DjIB Ysy6L8jGSIRKKdEIcerFdc0fwDHF79RWNeCASeAbCs0qFHdqKccRCk58ZvsA tAuEXDrUq7_La90rCK5oLrTtBgAerIO4.G6r7qHhmG3yCEoKkr4Th3JRbuu3 rH0hZMMCvdlVqCVjG1gZ.gOWqcC8q2TwDIe4etMmYIcePplwMPPh304p.4b5 DGpwj.A-- Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:35:02 PDT U3VtbWl0IGNhcnJpZXMgdGhlIG5pcHBsZSBBQUYtQUxMOTIwMDMgb3IgRm9yZCBOdW1iZXIgRjFBWjY4OTBCLCB0aGFua3MgVGhlbywgZm9yICQ2LjU5IHdoaWNoIGlzIH4xIiBvbiBibG9jayBzaWRlIGFuZCAzLzQiIC0gMTYgb24gb2lsIGFkYXB0ZXIgc2lkZS7CoCBJIGJvdWdodCB0aGUgRm9yZCBhZGFwdGVyIE0tNjg4MDEtQTUwIGFzIHN1Z2dlc3RlZCBvbiBUaWdlciBVbml0ZWQgc2l0ZSBmb3IgJDc5Ljk1LsKgIEhvcGUgdGhpcyBuaXBwbGUgd29ya3MuwqAgSSByZWFsbHkgd2FudGVkIHRvIHVzZSB0aGUBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:35:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve , TheoSmit , Ron Fraser Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Summit carries the nipple AAF-ALL92003 or Ford Number F1AZ6890B, thanks Theo, for $6.59 which is ~1" on block side and 3/4" - 16 on oil adapter side. I bought the Ford adapter M-68801-A50 as suggested on Tiger United site for $79.95. Hope this nipple works. I really wanted to use the remote oil filter set up but hose's were a challenge and cost prohibitive. Scott Drake parts from Summit carries the spark plug wire separators, thanks Ron, B8Q-12297-A for $1.93 and B6A-12297-A for $3.93. Scott Drake parts from Summit references a different part number for the thermostat housing C50E-8592-A for $17.97 instead of the C30Z-8594-B, thanks Ron, but appears close as the angle is not a 90 degree like Ford part number M-8592-M-90 for $33.95 which is a 90 degree. You guys are keeping me moving. Clutch bled, waiting on booster to come back from rebuild, Petronix distributor and coil to be installed, fuel and brake lines run, - no fuel from refurbished tanks thru fuel pump though - always a challenge. With the SS headers, will need to change choke to electric or go to manual as no heat tube connections with headers unless someone has a different idea for a heat tube alternative? Not sure where on the Autolite 4100 carburetor to connect the ported vacuum from the distributor to the carb though - any Ideas? Thanks Joel Martin --- On Wed, 4/17/13, Smit, Theo wrote: From: Smit, Theo Subject: RE: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter To: "Joel Martin" , "Tiger List Serve" Date: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 3:43 PM Google is your friend... F1AZ6890B Apparently this part is about $8.66 at your local Ford parts counter. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin > Sent: April 17, 2013 1:07 PM > To: Tiger List Serve > Subject: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter > > All > > Does anyone know a part number of correct thermostat housing? Does it > have just one nipple for a 66 MK 1A 289 motor? I will be installing > the heater core. > > Also, I purchased the FMS-M-6880-A50 90 DEGREE OIL FILTER > ADAPTOR. This > requires a nipple adapter that goes into the block and then into the > bolt of the adapter. In checking with Summit, they said it was 3/4" > x16 on both sides. Apparently not, anyone know the correct nipple to > purchase with part number aaa x size on the block side and 3/4 x 16 on > the adapter side. > > Thanks > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 18 08:53:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011AA442FF for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87ADC42A44 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:51:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail155-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.242) by CH1EHSOBE008.bigfish.com (10.43.70.58) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:49:52 +0000 Received: from mail155-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail155-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75E34803E2; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:49:52 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail155-ch1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail155-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail155-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1366296588276462_2332; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS003.bigfish.com (snatpool2.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.238]) by mail155-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4151B4208CD; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CH1EHSMHS003.bigfish.com (10.43.70.3) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:49:45 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.179) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:50:07 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.100]) by OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.179]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:49:44 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve , Ron Fraser Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter Thread-Index: AQHOO6ClNx2d7nxnT0iqMNcTTcCkwpja0FDggAGQEgD//67GIA== Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:49:43 +0000 References: <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E15012DD0D6@OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com> <1366295702.67566.YahooMailClassic@web164704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A web search says that the 4100 only has a full-time (not ported) vacuum port on the choke side at the base of the carb. The OEM fitment had a screw-in hard line going to the distributor; you might have to fab a fitting (take a 1" piece of brake line and use a thread die to put some appropriate threads on it, then screw that in with some blue loctite) so you can use it with a rubber line. One reference I found says the thread is 1/8" pipe, if that's the case you can get a brass fitting that goes from 1/8" pipe to 1/8" or 5/32" barb at any decent plumbing or car parts store. Theo From: Joel Martin [mailto:jmartiniii@yahoo.com] Sent: April 18, 2013 8:35 AM To: Tiger List Serve; Smit, Theo; Ron Fraser Subject: RE: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter Summit carries the nipple AAF-ALL92003 or Ford Number F1AZ6890B, thanks Theo, for $6.59 which is ~1" on block side and 3/4" - 16 on oil adapter side. I bought the Ford adapter M-68801-A50 as suggested on Tiger United site for $79.95. Hope this nipple works. I really wanted to use the remote oil filter set up but hose's were a challenge and cost prohibitive. Scott Drake parts from Summit carries the spark plug wire separators, thanks Ron, B8Q-12297-A for $1.93 and B6A-12297-A for $3.93. Scott Drake parts from Summit references a different part number for the thermostat housing C50E-8592-A for $17.97 instead of the C30Z-8594-B, thanks Ron, but appears close as the angle is not a 90 degree like Ford part number M-8592-M-90 for $33.95 which is a 90 degree. You guys are keeping me moving. Clutch bled, waiting on booster to come back from rebuild, Petronix distributor and coil to be installed, fuel and brake lines run, - no fuel from refurbished tanks thru fuel pump though - always a challenge. With the SS headers, will need to change choke to electric or go to manual as no heat tube connections with headers unless someone has a different idea for a heat tube alternative? Not sure where on the Autolite 4100 carburetor to connect the ported vacuum from the distributor to the carb though - any Ideas? Thanks Joel Martin --- On Wed, 4/17/13, Smit, Theo Subject: RE: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter Date: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 3:43 PM Google is your friend... F1AZ6890B Apparently this part is about $8.66 at your local Ford parts counter. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin > Sent: April 17, 2013 1:07 PM > To: Tiger List Serve > Subject: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter > > All > > Does anyone know a part number of correct thermostat housing? Does it > have just one nipple for a 66 MK 1A 289 motor? I will be installing > the heater core. > > Also, I purchased the FMS-M-6880-A50 90 DEGREE OIL FILTER > ADAPTOR. This > requires a nipple adapter that goes into the block and then into the > bolt of the adapter. In checking with Summit, they said it was 3/4" > x16 on both sides. Apparently not, anyone know the correct nipple to > purchase with part number aaa x size on the block side and 3/4 x 16 on > the adapter side. > > Thanks > Joel Martin tox.team.net> > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 18 09:26:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F7043963 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:26:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E804294B for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:26:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r3IFIDpi020851; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:24:42 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0213.515dc7d8.28f15f; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:24:24 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.147.81]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:24:20 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" , "'TheoSmit'" Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:24:17 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac48QemZ0esTgiYMSlGsDHguNZOfwwABgkcg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-18_06:2013-04-18,2013-04-18,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304180119 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel Thermostat housing The C5 part number is just the updated part number for that part. I always note the Ford part number from the Rootes Parts List so you have the base number to work from. I don't have interchange or updated part number information available or I would include that too. Vacuum port The 4100 4bbl uses the same parts as the 2100 2bbl. It you have the 2bbl parts available they should work with the 4bbl. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Joel Martin [mailto:jmartiniii@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:35 AM To: Tiger List Serve; TheoSmit; Ron Fraser Subject: RE: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter Summit carries the nipple AAF-ALL92003 or Ford Number F1AZ6890B, thanks Theo, for $6.59 which is ~1" on block side and 3/4" - 16 on oil adapter side. I bought the Ford adapter M-68801-A50 as suggested on Tiger United site for $79.95. Hope this nipple works. I really wanted to use the remote oil filter set up but hose's were a challenge and cost prohibitive. Scott Drake parts from Summit carries the spark plug wire separators, thanks Ron, B8Q-12297-A for $1.93 and B6A-12297-A for $3.93. Scott Drake parts from Summit references a different part number for the thermostat housing C50E-8592-A for $17.97 instead of the C30Z-8594-B, thanks Ron, but appears close as the angle is not a 90 degree like Ford part number M-8592-M-90 for $33.95 which is a 90 degree. You guys are keeping me moving. Clutch bled, waiting on booster to come back from rebuild, Petronix distributor and coil to be installed, fuel and brake lines run, - no fuel from refurbished tanks thru fuel pump though - always a challenge. With the SS headers, will need to change choke to electric or go to manual as no heat tube connections with headers unless someone has a different idea for a heat tube alternative? Not sure where on the Autolite 4100 carburetor to connect the ported vacuum from the distributor to the carb though - any Ideas? Thanks Joel Martin --- On Wed, 4/17/13, Smit, Theo wrote: From: Smit, Theo Subject: RE: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter To: "Joel Martin" , "Tiger List Serve" Date: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 3:43 PM Google is your friend... F1AZ6890B Apparently this part is about $8.66 at your local Ford parts counter. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of Joel Martin > Sent: April 17, 2013 1:07 PM > To: Tiger List Serve > Subject: [Tigers] Thermostat Housing and Right Angle oil filter adapter > > All > > Does anyone know a part number of correct thermostat housing? Does it > have just one nipple for a 66 MK 1A 289 motor? I will be installing > the heater core. > > Also, I purchased the FMS-M-6880-A50 90 DEGREE OIL FILTER > ADAPTOR. This > requires a nipple adapter that goes into the block and then into the > bolt of the adapter. In checking with Summit, they said it was 3/4" > x16 on both sides. Apparently not, anyone know the correct nipple to > purchase with part number aaa x size on the block side and 3/4 x 16 on > the adapter side. > > Thanks > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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[75.32.205.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c70sm14766332yhc.11.2013.04.18.18.07.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:07:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe Brown" To: Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 20:06:10 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac48me3eu0xu7SENTvuBeMz6whaFag== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Happy Birthday? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net According to Hemmings Motor News today is the day that Sunbeam debuted the Tiger in 1964. Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 17:07:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF74424B2 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 17:07:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f178.google.com (mail-gg0-f178.google.com [209.85.161.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B8D403C6 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 17:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gg0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 4so315104ggm.9 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:05:51 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:x-gm-message-state; bh=u8vrn0U4hSbYalgUpOX3OyFuhQ5hGZmlsoKQEHg1USI=; b=COnrdnctZlfJH5+3LJIpY5PojqnN/1f2A/x2e+lsekouDwJZUetqWZRdlgHQ2N3IM7 KSfS90Jkc/mXV74+P7eh1AKfYvHLg9o+YcdZqJzONFInemQr/9UUlY8FOFeApIXKTlfJ VWLBCHWasVnaR2beza0ooXf7PJReJTFwFXtvX+8rZZ8CFGlQGWs+oujlJukWa8ZaTmIN F7vlGvXyVs13Sh6pTgvcpHI0baKwbXuRWVnZ0qgIqSysyycyC0IhrV3Vqh0wI8fzp4SC S58taeCUYP8g0xqjUJK6MDAaDXS9OwsKFKSRba18AWEmSEOgdGQnJuZat2fjSxzbllJe oA0w== b62mr11382550yhn.97.1366412751164; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (71-15-226-95.dhcp.sffl.va.charter.com. [71.15.226.95]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o31sm27690484yhh.21.2013.04.19.16.05.49 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:05:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "H. B. Elam" Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 19:05:50 -0400 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Tiger debut Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net According to Bill Carroll in "Tiger An Exceptional Motorcar" page 46, the debut was April 3 1964. I have no personal knowledge. Several other references confirm April but not a day. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 20 13:33:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0225B42AD5 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:33:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C4D40531 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:33:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 15:32:41 -0400 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 15:32:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers - Happy Birthday Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I, too, saw the Hemmings Daily blog note about April 18 and the Tiger. I think Harry is on the money. I believe the first public showing of what the official program called the Alpine 260 was April 4, 1964 at the New York International Automobile Show at the Coliseum, if you take into account previews by the press. The only other official date I can find is March 1964 when news sources received official photos from the Rootes Motors Ltd Public Relations department. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 20 19:36:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146AD42AF7 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 19:36:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm31-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm31-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8888E40528 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 19:35:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm31.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2013 01:34:58 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.160] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2013 01:34:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2013 01:34:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 68513 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2013 01:34:58 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366508098; bh=U7g2rMWISrw9GUqCr0Yj7BrANzdHOHo3YJ3bEu6RG8I=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LQ7SjghZGqD3YyxKtl1kZvEvQaW4ZquiM2HuFV71qHi6rN0tjy3AGfwOYQj+ZH71ybK/PRenl4CK13aSkb93ro9ZiIJiR+cx0aKSuRLj88mAuyx+RKRGNL0SoosXtXhyq9nVQtZgXeJnZeNSF9GF/TNrAHB9Boaz/0mO9UALeqA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lILDCYsYm6H0qTyv6vYjNyU/4tFNiq67B+D7CCnkwmyFgjx3pu6SFkD+Wlf6vQbzVXI6q7gjwIQS+T6ilXlUm/VTPN3kzNho/nPwoxOyPL1wHon5wLXASiAMa1ZTSjMqUJ/dEFm4oUa3Wxhtf/eFSnZX5HefregmfJNQt/LqiYw=; 9OyiGrpj.cCVe1dj49FtQHFCwSsgJUC3lm0YgVI5dOkebsnrJSJZXQUyUmo8 pnBqbACUku7rTZwfZog.zFM0k7q0knFetLdSVWRYx3y3oWUagoaEbXOcjPjF VNXQU5Rwve.EshXlLVem_hDBcJhMG3.TqZVhXg4ziG6QiAltJokP4xWvqU88 7Jz_8jGqlXOGyMmcgjdhJVO2X6Do7VPJBk1O_SR1BgY56BazM6sLE0V3lBzg 7AkDYKj5V5zX_oF9RB2u05BbRcQTdHTLRSwgIm3uMDQFqoAvprZoiRdzIR21 iv6KQMiHDrw7Jgu9B7gruPwWig2dwEabMyI3_r.PQZjRmDbZ__CaVQMPoxd8 p3OBPka.5kogYixBI1QfizmlT_PHTTYEKH_9_73ZhaEicCSY0NBLSKBVdGzr _o0Cqthx0ybl3V83VwDzBcXELvNQ5nmKIRKv1n7oDoM3k6_vVWd4moJX4v04 h4kGMWZVj1V5Foao9.HudMZyxudtIm9sc0Q.e.n4WkP8ch6RYF3d8z5t7oHl X3jAowr1a7CDSgKavGQ2m_HYJz964gvrYr2jT6lio7YUyOtURIB7p8aPgfQw N4NIVD6TMI1Nuv0Aluyt.akMJMxF4L7_dQWX8 Received: from [107.193.210.26] by web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 18:34:58 PDT U3Bhbm5pbmcgYXBwcm94aW1hdGVseSAxOTk1LTIwMDUsIGxvdHMgb2YgZ29vZCB0ZWNoIHRpcHMgYW5kIFRpZ2VyIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uLsKgIEZyZWUgdG8gd2hvbWV2ZXIgcGlja3MgdGhlbSB1cCBmaXJzdCBpbiBTYW50YSBDcnV6LCBDYWxpZm9ybmlhIChvciB3aWxsIGNvbnNpZGVyIHNoaXBwaW5nIFVTUFMgYXQgeW91ciBjb3N0KS7CoCBUaGFua3MhCgpDYW4ndCByZW1lbWJlciBpZiB0aGlzIGlzIHBlcm1pc3NpYmxlLCBidXQgaGVyZSdzIGFuIGltYWdlIGxpbms6Cmh0dHA6Ly9zMTE2NC5waG90b2J1Y2sBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 18:34:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Meek To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Free Tiger newsletters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Spanning approximately 1995-2005, lots of good tech tips and Tiger information. Free to whomever picks them up first in Santa Cruz, California (or will consider shipping USPS at your cost). Thanks! Can't remember if this is permissible, but here's an image link: http://s1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/kevnmeek/?action=view$t=2012-04-1511 4401.jpg Email me back if interested! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 21 21:12:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232F042278 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:12:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f177.google.com (mail-pd0-f177.google.com [209.85.192.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758954055F for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:11:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f177.google.com with SMTP id u10so132658pdi.22 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:10:49 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=wXL5gSQGzHT8N+Z9gPy7pwExACeNdcXaIcfDrVbygv0=; b=qIsLBRYxSaxAThRsQOCFmEfEAPdizDfV6L5PPXsB0xlZaB5jC5P7N+JAY7+pUGv78H TPdokwhbqqah7h3/7ahCZauEnoTrcj8VTQzKN2Utgf3hZhF1qeWcjmLQXSAGKE0uvaJz 5CJ0wdXXIN/J26E7w/zVOiMMITgghHd3pIKDJI9Bvj4zbrjUKfhtlaKDZGEuDADaEoKU 3n8GTwX/lo5qAWGO+CC2ZA2+xNvcYwKQs9Pg14+hnGWm+gIUgxtJv3g50wRUuU/ZgSVw c7s3fhsJKBJdWDZPWSjEfYlmrAwAOhUwTdPBKZ2DTEZZyM4jK8MPbHBMm078+SHFEzJf 6KfA== zn7mr10221752pac.71.1366600249816; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hp1sm25078452pac.3.2013.04.21.20.10.48 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:10:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:10:46 -0700 To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I went to drive the Tiger yesterday. The clutch pedal went to the floor. The clutch has always been very hard. I bled the clutch with fresh new fluid. And it seemed to improve a bit, and I could actually press the clutch pedal all the way down - which I don't know if I could before because of how stiff it was. But now conveniently, coincidentally, or perhaps because I put in fresh fluid, it failed. All the fluid drained out of the system through the slave. I will say that when I poured in the new fluid, it was clearly of a different density. When I first poured it in and looked into the top of the master, I could see that the fluids were separated into two layers. I used Dot 3/4. I admittedly don't know what was in there. I've heard that synthetic in old hydraulics can mess up the rubber. But, I'm not sure that I've heard it goes the other way. Also, they were both clear. Neither was purple. I thought that synthetics are purple so you know the difference. WIth that all said, I have two questions: (1) did I mess this up by using the wrong fluid? (2) Given how hard the clutch pedal has always been to press, would it be a mistake to put in a 7/5" slave? It has a 7/8" slave now and a 5/8" master. Thanks for any help. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 21 21:20:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0262A42B36 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:20:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com (mail-pa0-f53.google.com [209.85.220.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3AB42906 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:20:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id bh4so3304197pad.12 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:19:07 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=t9OJ2BKGn283sg/RTt8ShM6rrJVSpk21khU1J5dD5sc=; b=CWv+sqSfc0TnAmw0MPE8uGT0M8a7EFVZYVL0xXOUMP8YUSGYyxEYIL7YeeyvjNomYJ D+IQD5a7egdqwCVdbho8u8s7wF2VaZC2xNdp+dmTn/4/Q2aB7dF6O7LjThDLUUT5V4BC XVHANNNM0AA8Q625j1/vGSEl0QYc6gT0L99xhK7Ak8u7gbdBpWcqfpfzEM3pGr3CoegM R4L7Uq2hOjsr0wpE5oWZbtMn3DGRR5IHTrmPrCkCzRcK7YEIMJSXM0IvOINK/XFXTkB9 hl5DE6vp9pRqywQhN8zs7ZJnilB43QE3/eW1Gpa4EBgjwJ4c1FqCYaN7RYMiH5wyxCRY kOWA== xc5mr30802352pbc.66.1366600747226; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vb8sm23157717pbc.11.2013.04.21.20.19.05 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:19:04 -0700 To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I just did a search in the archives and found that my dad did put DOT 5 in the clutch. Ok, so what do I do? Rebuild the master and clutch? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 21 21:33:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F3C4295A for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:33:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1C942906 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:33:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MLN00MJ80I7DQ35@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 22:32:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <1FE5A356-8C71-43BF-8773-C9ED80CE2E87@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:32:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >>> Ok, so what do I do? Rebuild the master and clutch?<<< I think so. That way you will know the rubber is fresh. There is also another way of looking at this. Better the clutch only now, than the whole brake system getting DOT 3/4 later. Imaging the agony of that! Now you know better and will do the right thing. At least you got the lesser of the hard lessons. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 21 21:41:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E17F742B6A for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:41:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-da0-f46.google.com (mail-da0-f46.google.com [209.85.210.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2DC4295A for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-da0-f46.google.com with SMTP id y19so2843061dan.5 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:40:00 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=nWD98OS84lpd322Ohv6NVFQzIlQxztappvVDOA967b4=; b=LYXhRLlQKzcnWk5SjVmRCGafs0F6Xh9j3DTVcdBRAal4yPNwpTpyxBu0aPuBu/upli D0JdPsRL2DYpZwPsEsFUDPoNhwT5A+grR+zrFTL4R0kO9OJ7X1mlf+nGTcTdnoOCB+w5 qN+kitayGxt2XCJumdFxbYsydmbz7agI/beVwRupuWLMAj6E2Xyguim5qjAzgWfPWCsy Z5KSIpmRzkdccNWDfF4uSOMWOcINVewe2t1lWg2Hqg4kYRLz7Dv+5ycARJiYGGRYErLC jB7f3aKNzEETSLGbcgwnCL3AGZ+QECBIPz8TDRZjUB7Zv465oM6AlenmFohXN6fIJ1sM vLlA== fa4mr13946689pab.140.1366602000839; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id uy3sm23232795pbc.7.2013.04.21.20.39.59 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:39:57 -0700 References: <1FE5A356-8C71-43BF-8773-C9ED80CE2E87@gmail.com> To: "Thomas Witt" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the comments. On the plus side, that old post of my dad's that I found where he said he used DOT 5, he said that he had not done it to the brakes yet. I thought DOT 5 was supposed to be purple to avoid this. Is that not true? Can it be clear too? >>>> Ok, so what do I do? Rebuild the master and clutch?<<< > I think so. That way you will know the rubber is fresh. There is also another way of looking at this. Better the clutch only now, than the whole brake system getting DOT 3/4 later. Imaging the agony of that! Now you know better and will do the right thing. At least you got the lesser of the hard lessons. > > Tom _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 21 21:45:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834D642B93 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD8C4299F for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:42:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Sqht1l0051bwxycACrhj0V; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 03:41:43 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Srhi1l00i2xZMJ48erhiLy; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 03:41:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 03:41:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Jay Laifman s=q20121106; t=1366602103; bh=LsgJvGMqAnxEO9L9Ku0oIny4fBIVyTpwRuLtEy189dQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=gfX4EJb9C4ijZDplNqvGcLZgv7/A16pZbwb5x+6ayaOK9gWl5X89jSUBn58rMj04/ xWj4kgdSkr9vfUdd2XFD0qHpB+OnnpXhRGnYH7oraGpTSzBhtCdsQNSP3ztc8ydBD1 JCmGIgV2clsMDaJoClLXEBx7blHF/rOVe/BqFCEU1x9aULVWkSjQc2D4O3ING4pw49 hisO7PAvkjHjhTyeJFZtqKEvi8696z6MxK6L7dJv5tsm3p5lzW6O6ODJjqp7JYyxCn ot/nwdipDBp4vl3/+4D0+kDoHvOnQ8GnqVN3CWEQ0dnKCpzZgmJiOvr/i0PvH0QIIx vv6xOEX7huutw== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My DOT5 was yellow. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Laifman To: Thomas Witt Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 03:39:57 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! Thanks for the comments. On the plus side, that old post of my dad's that I found where he said he used DOT 5, he said that he had not done it to the brakes yet. I thought DOT 5 was supposed to be purple to avoid this. Is that not true? Can it be clear too? >>>> Ok, so what do I do? Rebuild the master and clutch?<<< > I think so. That way you will know the rubber is fresh. There is also another way of looking at this. Better the clutch only now, than the whole brake system getting DOT 3/4 later. Imaging the agony of that! Now you know better and will do the right thing. At least you got the lesser of the hard lessons. > > Tom _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 21 21:49:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB90042AE6 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:49:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f43.google.com (mail-pa0-f43.google.com [209.85.220.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72ECA4299F for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:49:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id hz1so809512pad.16 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:48:12 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=ybXO1WxR42zQzPjK5U6Zq5i866dLpdJ30IK18x7CKMI=; b=VheOSJH7nNm6i5BbWICJQEOsKQ1UigJobAhZAGpzSYp/0ROizxjc9LvmagloIBou7u qvAczho1B5HheI1OG1bRMq6nkBGOuIAZz6qsiN4lNzMluHvqoGH/b3VSUGUAa4eDP0cG VOWDWX+vSE0qKg7mbVonoVkSdaNFzaYL4FDost3F7iWZgrz8RsKDBznxqQA3bDB4ChzD MiA0KnPi/DV49ugz1Bm7uwhHJpDrVcq6fIGbgTKSriP/GGhKBl3Cic1HY3ykgXc+x4zQ FJGHKyp6sza8K7mJJy14peTn8FqswTLY4lMny+VSiinJ8oy0wzbiLpBo+//N87bm8wD/ qU3w== af6mr30268997pbd.157.1366602492589; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jw10sm23266446pbb.3.2013.04.21.20.48.10 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:48:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:48:09 -0700 References: <34296212.1142406.1366602102837.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> To: Gary Winblad Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks. Now I have to wonder if he rebuilt the brakes too. I suspect he did not. I guess if I put in DOT 3/4 and one of the liquids floats like it did in the clutch, I'll know. Maybe I should pull some out into a vile, and try it separately. But, for all I know, different brands, or DOT 3 versus DOT 3/4 will do that too. I'm marking my clutch caps with a permanent marker for the next guy! On Apr 21, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Gary Winblad wrote: > My DOT5 was yellow. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jay Laifman > To: Thomas Witt > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 03:39:57 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! > > Thanks for the comments. On the plus side, that old post of my dad's that I > found where he said he used DOT 5, he said that he had not done it to the > brakes yet. I thought DOT 5 was supposed to be purple to avoid this. Is that > not true? Can it be clear too? > > > > > > >>>> Ok, so what do I do? Rebuild the master and clutch?<<< > > I think so. That way you will know the rubber is fresh. There is also > another way of looking at this. Better the clutch only now, than the whole > brake system getting DOT 3/4 later. Imaging the agony of that! Now you know > better and will do the right thing. At least you got the lesser of the hard > lessons. > > > > Tom _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 21 22:31:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A5342B27 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 22:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A7E429A4 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 22:31:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MLN000RF36KMTT2@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 23:30:20 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <34296212.1142406.1366602102837.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <8C50A592-985C-444C-AA11-822EA7C67AEB@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:30:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >>>I'm marking my clutch caps with a permanent marker for the next guy!<<< Let's hope that "next guy" is one of your children. :-) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 05:22:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2635242BDE for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 05:22:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B1642A2B for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 05:22:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r3MBIEUH015757; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 04:21:17 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622f) id dm0213.5171a5ab.6e58d; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 04:21:16 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.178.182]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:21:16 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jay Laifman'" , "'Tiger's Den'" Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:21:13 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac4/CCvzPvvAYiE7TRqn+z8bLxQjUQAQXrsg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-22_02:2013-04-22,2013-04-22,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304220075 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay I have seen purple and yellow tint in Dot 5. I think that is a requirement for Dot 5 to have a tint. Yes, you need to go through the Master, the down pipe and the Slave to clear all the contaminated fluid from the system. I'm not sure if alcohol will flush out Dot 5; it works with the glycol based brake fluids. You may need to use lacquer thinner or BrakeKleen to flush the Dot 5. Inspect all the parts and rebuild. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:19 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! I just did a search in the archives and found that my dad did put DOT 5 in the clutch. Ok, so what do I do? Rebuild the master and clutch? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 08:25:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E1442D7B for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 08:25:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B124293C for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 08:25:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 238D57000E1D2; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlc003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.209]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E5CA0E00008A; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:24:20 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:24:20 -0400 (EDT) To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, jay.laifman@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1366640661; bh=h0OBMUK36oGi3xf4DxieRxvJWZ/6H0iCwkUMawB7nwU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=X6sV8uymxiu/2K370e1zJsWofzNRQ5+8AEt2fwD6uDB/Iv5LVd6zXm8rikTZr7n3x 7/D3dimzP6U+7eeLfjniWvhrhBKZZTbxH/rPUaptuEEdcpiNst+sCPZen0/gJM9Orq 7fQv8P9r8q2v8Jn9+sBfYKJLdrjZS7Zmg+K5iDHQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d5175481419f1 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Not sure if this has been mentioned, but for most hydraulic clutch systems, DOT 3 is your best bet...at least according to the transmission experts I know. The thinking is DOT 3 has less of the additives which will permeate the o-rings and cause them to swell. Once they swell, they are likely to roll in friction and wear more quickly. In a message dated 4/22/2013 4:21:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rfraser@bluefrog.com writes: Jay I have seen purple and yellow tint in Dot 5. I think that is a requirement for Dot 5 to have a tint. Yes, you need to go through the Master, the down pipe and the Slave to clear all the contaminated fluid from the system. I'm not sure if alcohol will flush out Dot 5; it works with the glycol based brake fluids. You may need to use lacquer thinner or BrakeKleen to flush the Dot 5. Inspect all the parts and rebuild. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:19 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! I just did a search in the archives and found that my dad did put DOT 5 in the clutch. Ok, so what do I do? Rebuild the master and clutch? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 09:08:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E0842E25 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:08:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og106.obsmtp.com (exprod5og106.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F1040407 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:08:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cinmlip11.e2k.ad.ge.com ([12.71.149.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob106.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUXVSJ4YcDXsDVkfk2JU8YRtzkqS3d8Nu@postini.com; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 08:07:21 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO ALPMLEF02.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.18.11]) by cinmlip11.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 22 Apr 2013 11:07:18 -0400 Received: from cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.213.93]) by ALPMLEF02.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:07:18 -0400 Received: from cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.50]) by cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:07:02 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA09.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.38) by cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:06:58 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.26]) by CINMBCNA09.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.3.16]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:06:58 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" , 'Jay Laifman' , 'Tiger's Den' Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! Thread-Index: AQHOPwg0MWkWbiqE40qMCpLNsJMXY5jiW/yA///VZXA= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 15:06:57 +0000 References: <1FE5A356-8C71-43BF-8773-C9ED80CE2E87@gmail.com> <42E29A137A5F483F9F33AE334C208209@ronpc1> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.191] FILETIME=[0B316480:01CE3F6B] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, I went through some of my SAE journals a while back to look for the real skinny on brake fluids. DOT 5 is silicon based and is not recommended for open systems like those found on vintage cars. The DOT 5 is non-hygroscopic so it will not absorb moisture but since our systems are not sealed moisture gets in and it collects in the low spots of the system, this will cause piston corrosion in calipers and scuffing of the piston rubber in slaves. This may be why your Dad did the clutch but not the brake system. A DOT 5 fluid is also more compressible than a DOT 4 so the pedal will feel spongier. The only real advantage to DOT 5 is that it will not ruin paint when (notice I didn't say "if") the master/slave cylinder fails. Even though it is now a different formula than of old, good old DOT 4 Castrol GTA/LMA it still glycol-based and will help keep the rubber piston swollen. The DOT 5.1 is a glycol-based fluid so it is also hydroscopic, its main claim to fame is that it is a thinner viscosity than DOT 4 which is needed for some ABS systems to be able to rapid cycle in cold climates. Not many OEM's use DOT 5, I can only find reference to Harley. Dry Boiling Point Wet Boiling Point (3% water) DOT 3 401F 284F DOT 4 446F 311F DOT 5 500F 356F DOT 5.1 518F 375F The "wet" boiling point is when the fluid has absorbed 3% water by volume, a feat that can be accomplished on our cars over one typical damp winter storage period here in the Midwest. Water can diffuse in through the rubber brake hoses as well. Most of my racer buddies have tried DOT 5 and have gone back to the racing-spec DOT 3 fluids that actually have higher dry boiling points than DOT 5, they prefer the harder pedal feel. I know many Tiger folks that have used DOT 5 without a problem, so it's up to you. In your climate moisture is not a big problem, I suggest you stay with the DOT 4 Castrol GTA/LMA for the brake system and flush it every other year. I made a power bleeder by finding an old master cylinder cap and fitting an air hose chuck. Fill the reservoir and use about 10 psi to push out all the old fluid. I can power bleed the brakes in about 1/2 hour. As for your clutch, you will need to rebuild the slave for sure, so the easiest way out is to do that and stay with the DOT 5, just don't mix the two fluids up! Make sure you check inside the firewall for signs of the leaks from either MC as well. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:19 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! I just did a search in the archives and found that my dad did put DOT 5 in the clutch. Ok, so what do I do? Rebuild the master and clutch? _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 10:12:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8382E42DF6 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:12:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6662D42D79 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:12:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DF6807001EE8F; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlc003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.209]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9FC87E00008B; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:03:17 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:03:17 -0400 (EDT) To: mark.rense@ge.com, rfraser@bluefrog.com, jay.laifman@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1366646597; bh=d0S7ymScLQjGaG7uk4qcRhoqJSTIASxn31oK5pvCK04=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s0JPBcWHuBSAMlZwTTkJUq9ombsZKjVuj9ATe2zIdbDfMsEDshf8t4upYwGngPGGi Uwu2aQHgjhCgGf5HRfpgTSQ0e69SPJEi84Pk9kPqM7VYqIb1sUer/hPD9xqFW+8f9l IZ3It/iu50smAf4uBk04b8B96AItVuk5bnOaGdcM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e51755f4570f9 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The additives in Castrol LMA supposedly soften the o-rings (even EPDM) and allow them to roll. DOT 3 is commonly considered a better bet...at least that's what we run in the Formula Fords and other race cars using the Girling MC. In a message dated 4/22/2013 8:08:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mark.rense@ge.com writes: Jay, I went through some of my SAE journals a while back to look for the real skinny on brake fluids. DOT 5 is silicon based and is not recommended for open systems like those found on vintage cars. The DOT 5 is non-hygroscopic so it will not absorb moisture but since our systems are not sealed moisture gets in and it collects in the low spots of the system, this will cause piston corrosion in calipers and scuffing of the piston rubber in slaves. This may be why your Dad did the clutch but not the brake system. A DOT 5 fluid is also more compressible than a DOT 4 so the pedal will feel spongier. The only real advantage to DOT 5 is that it will not ruin paint when (notice I didn't say "if") the master/slave cylinder fails. Even though it is now a different formula than of old, good old DOT 4 Castrol GTA/LMA it still glycol-based and will help keep the rubber piston swollen. The DOT 5.1 is a glycol-based fluid so it is also hydroscopic, its main claim to fame is that it is a thinner viscosity than DOT 4 which is needed for some ABS systems to be able to rapid cycle in cold climates. Not many OEM's use DOT 5, I can only find reference to Harley. Dry Boiling Point Wet Boiling Point (3% water) DOT 3 401F 284F DOT 4 446F 311F DOT 5 500F 356F DOT 5.1 518F 375F The "wet" boiling point is when the fluid has absorbed 3% water by volume, a feat that can be accomplished on our cars over one typical damp winter storage period here in the Midwest. Water can diffuse in through the rubber brake hoses as well. Most of my racer buddies have tried DOT 5 and have gone back to the racing-spec DOT 3 fluids that actually have higher dry boiling points than DOT 5, they prefer the harder pedal feel. I know many Tiger folks that have used DOT 5 without a problem, so it's up to you. In your climate moisture is not a big problem, I suggest you stay with the DOT 4 Castrol GTA/LMA for the brake system and flush it every other year. I made a power bleeder by finding an old master cylinder cap and fitting an air hose chuck. Fill the reservoir and use about 10 psi to push out all the old fluid. I can power bleed the brakes in about 1/2 hour. As for your clutch, you will need to rebuild the slave for sure, so the easiest way out is to do that and stay with the DOT 5, just don't mix the two fluids up! Make sure you check inside the firewall for signs of the leaks from either MC as well. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:19 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! I just did a search in the archives and found that my dad did put DOT 5 in the clutch. Ok, so what do I do? Rebuild the master and clutch? _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 10:18:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CA742E0A for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:18:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d01.mx.aol.com (omr-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.252.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC8042B17 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:18:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-d01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DB1C77000FB29; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlc003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.209]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A3B57E00008C; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:14:46 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:14:46 -0400 (EDT) To: MWood24020@aol.com, mark.rense@ge.com, rfraser@bluefrog.com, jay.laifman@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1366647286; bh=Whzt66yrpm/jcarXeWmXgGPegMojczwjteAyrHAOsV0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kj/OOpxQ4HLY9J7QMj0SR/MwQUHGlgsXIaqxZVz4egWyx7NnNE4GIBmII1VvIgSVC aPxN+3QHZJSB8IszJgiRP7v8NNy/dBnp+x3ZPAQnHxkV2R19ztO+n/uTFqRuZWJP+Q Kuh+byjJB7szbeYlGNzh59bivqKxLKwsv3xAjavU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b517561f60477 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Should have been clear...I'm talking about clutch MC, only. The possibility of the o-ring rolling isn't an issue in the shorter throw of the brake MC. In a message dated 4/22/2013 9:12:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, MWood24020@aol.com writes: The additives in Castrol LMA supposedly soften the o-rings (even EPDM) and allow them to roll. DOT 3 is commonly considered a better bet...at least that's what we run in the Formula Fords and other race cars using the Girling MC. In a message dated 4/22/2013 8:08:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mark.rense@ge.com writes: Jay, I went through some of my SAE journals a while back to look for the real skinny on brake fluids. DOT 5 is silicon based and is not recommended for open systems like those found on vintage cars. The DOT 5 is non-hygroscopic so it will not absorb moisture but since our systems are not sealed moisture gets in and it collects in the low spots of the system, this will cause piston corrosion in calipers and scuffing of the piston rubber in slaves. This may be why your Dad did the clutch but not the brake system. A DOT 5 fluid is also more compressible than a DOT 4 so the pedal will feel spongier. The only real advantage to DOT 5 is that it will not ruin paint when (notice I didn't say "if") the master/slave cylinder fails. Even though it is now a different formula than of old, good old DOT 4 Castrol GTA/LMA it still glycol-based and will help keep the rubber piston swollen. The DOT 5.1 is a glycol-based fluid so it is also hydroscopic, its main claim to fame is that it is a thinner viscosity than DOT 4 which is needed for some ABS systems to be able to rapid cycle in cold climates. Not many OEM's use DOT 5, I can only find reference to Harley. Dry Boiling Point Wet Boiling Point (3% water) DOT 3 401F 284F DOT 4 446F 311F DOT 5 500F 356F DOT 5.1 518F 375F The "wet" boiling point is when the fluid has absorbed 3% water by volume, a feat that can be accomplished on our cars over one typical damp winter storage period here in the Midwest. Water can diffuse in through the rubber brake hoses as well. Most of my racer buddies have tried DOT 5 and have gone back to the racing-spec DOT 3 fluids that actually have higher dry boiling points than DOT 5, they prefer the harder pedal feel. I know many Tiger folks that have used DOT 5 without a problem, so it's up to you. In your climate moisture is not a big problem, I suggest you stay with the DOT 4 Castrol GTA/LMA for the brake system and flush it every other year. I made a power bleeder by finding an old master cylinder cap and fitting an air hose chuck. Fill the reservoir and use about 10 psi to push out all the old fluid. I can power bleed the brakes in about 1/2 hour. As for your clutch, you will need to rebuild the slave for sure, so the easiest way out is to do that and stay with the DOT 5, just don't mix the two fluids up! Make sure you check inside the firewall for signs of the leaks from either MC as well. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:19 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! I just did a search in the archives and found that my dad did put DOT 5 in the clutch. Ok, so what do I do? Rebuild the master and clutch? _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 10:25:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B9D42D99 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:25:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f42.google.com (mail-vb0-f42.google.com [209.85.212.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A904542B17 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:22:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id p12so6161995vbe.29 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:21:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=3Cp6clii3719EvuLvCAtxCChZIEmcoxxPPLCTB3xex0=; b=iGqyN+oMdpVIoR7DwezK7Aaqbl89q1HvQnbrt6bv7jafidhkWWS8BppsjBS1ASpsXq Wg+y6P1ADYSLLQyg5/DagG18/W1gHMwuspe6ofgKRUw4KeXfl+YqygG1LZqZaU0oPha5 POnKGsjrRGamZO2hlpQ31j6owfG8iO66P6PHWpVp2ggYgtEXUFkdIvAgPAdtexYX+U4s v1FLBb+izvuX7BZvHaoUByPOZHiJvNA2xB6gOoBSv+GCdtc8RVnN+BnQim41PhQ8+rpe 3C/syOSUDB1r7MCidELZMmWUi2UEZqCwRP0viTcSEjwfG0NqOMB7FDTf4DmCtfTYCFAJ 4O0w== Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.40.84 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:21:14 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:21:14 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: MWood24020@aol.com Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I just spoke to Rick and ordered rebuild kits. He said that the supplier of the rebuild kits is very clear, in writing, that their rubber will withstand any of the fluids. He said that the supplier of the actual masters and slaves is not so clear. Rick also said that he sells LMA, but has a hard time getting it himself. I also mentioned my idea of going with a larger slave or smaller master to make the effort a little less. He said that usually since most of the Tigers disengage at the bottom, and mine disengages up at the top, I might be able to make that swap. Except, he said the slave is already pretty big and the master pretty small, and he does not know of available alternatives. I don't know what kind of clutch is in there. I think Dan Walters was the last one in there ages ago, but doesn't remember. Jay On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 9:03 AM, wrote: > ** > The additives in Castrol LMA supposedly soften the o-rings (even EPDM) and > allow them to roll. DOT 3 is commonly considered a better bet...at least > that's what we run in the Formula Fords and other race cars using the > Girling MC. > > In a message dated 4/22/2013 8:08:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > mark.rense@ge.com writes: > > Jay, > I went through some of my SAE journals a while back to look for the real > skinny on brake fluids. DOT 5 is silicon based and is not recommended for > open > systems like those found on vintage cars. The DOT 5 is non-hygroscopic so > it > will not absorb moisture but since our systems are not sealed moisture > gets in > and it collects in the low spots of the system, this will cause piston > corrosion in calipers and scuffing of the piston rubber in slaves. This > may be > why your Dad did the clutch but not the brake system. A DOT 5 fluid is also > more compressible than a DOT 4 so the pedal will feel spongier. The only > real > advantage to DOT 5 is that it will not ruin paint when (notice I didn't say > "if") the master/slave cylinder fails. Even though it is now a different > formula than of old, good old DOT 4 Castrol GTA/LMA it still glycol-based > and > will help keep the rubber piston swollen. > > The DOT 5.1 is a glycol-based fluid so it is also hydroscopic, its main > claim > to fame is that it is a thinner viscosity than DOT 4 which is needed for > some > ABS systems to be able to rapid cycle in cold climates. Not many OEM's use > DOT > 5, I can only find reference to Harley. > > Dry Boiling Point Wet Boiling Point (3% water) > DOT 3 401F 284F > DOT 4 446F 311F > DOT 5 500F 356F > DOT 5.1 518F 375F > > The "wet" boiling point is when the fluid has absorbed 3% water by volume, > a > feat that can be accomplished on our cars over one typical damp winter > storage > period here in the Midwest. Water can diffuse in through the rubber brake > hoses as well. Most of my racer buddies have tried DOT 5 and have gone > back to > the racing-spec DOT 3 fluids that actually have higher dry boiling points > than > DOT 5, they prefer the harder pedal feel. > > I know many Tiger folks that have used DOT 5 without a problem, so it's up > to > you. In your climate moisture is not a big problem, I suggest you stay with > the DOT 4 Castrol GTA/LMA for the brake system and flush it every other > year. > I made a power bleeder by finding an old master cylinder cap and fitting an > air hose chuck. Fill the reservoir and use about 10 psi to push out all the > old fluid. I can power bleed the brakes in about 1/2 hour. > > As for your clutch, you will need to rebuild the slave for sure, so the > easiest way out is to do that and stay with the DOT 5, just don't mix the > two > fluids up! Make sure you check inside the firewall for signs of the leaks > from > either MC as well. > > Bugz > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Jay Laifman > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:19 PM > To: Tiger's Den > Subject: [Tigers] Clutch - DANG IT!!!!! > > > I just did a search in the archives and found that my dad did put DOT 5 in > the > clutch. > > Ok, so what do I do? Rebuild the master and clutch? > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 12:46:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667C242EE9 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D1B5242920 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:46:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.62] by nm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2013 18:45:36 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.242] by tm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2013 18:45:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1050.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2013 18:45:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 93062 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Apr 2013 18:45:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366656336; bh=J5N7DT6uNOO6TF00rfnW0xmkwf7BqxvAY3b1QC2sJBM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iR/J9NIILBd3u3K8W1uB0xtgyf3XO6WC2TqFf599kBA2Z1oxGnhMCk4TtJBCGEF0wc5QpHZBtD2EqRqpqY9HwxzKalkbsrlgVbpuJRXk+/qeNghwmjlhxQlGMsZIqwrKCGGzdVr3JuDyw5XbDY3L89CwTrs4YcDdzQpsP6Y0e+Y= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WO8aUihZD1b7vxCYUkK0hdMJZZDNxdN2ZFqax4wdEmBbOhULsbO1rLs8Z9wrK18EAVpJWT2nvena84sv5fl+J0TgF8sIpdbjEslJKafrGmrNgDftrKe6A7QPJIUDXpzLFKxXitzDSo0idlA3SwLaHA7SfHb/UrdPYVkjryGECcs=; slS0KCiwfCxFflAsruv2LKRW.JzUOLHrG7rgLH2aV8IXfRs.V1QSjYQ8xHXI _63r_BqblKngHrm1o1JTy5UHvmmgTNaIONEQ6EnzFd14m8WpEKgDaknw87ZJ 83skiVSZDomeroyBeR3Icm6Rzptm0DZtn7Ip4gGBbqNxAHx2MPg7W4vZQ_q_ b_V3O12UfWw08u5NDNq5NMg0vRnj4pP6txtsHCXCOBSJZ_7Au3LNpV0ttNXV MTAu9OUp3oLOg8wKsDNr80MDg61AmGqFo5mCBoSxarqY5hVzs_4AWmj6XCWy HpJ2z3zdGiOhdZSFxYL4J6bqat3je9sKfeSjRp410Qk8hh2xPIvBd93HZ525 011njy6qv1ZRAJeuVsjLQgLDovYwt4QHml39rU3WEdGHtq09.wk9kMYEB0a1 S2BGax6.aCeOJvtxrvh12eyxL8.qNIci6IevPEcSh0wH576UCvFyoHqlDr4n kiYWC Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:45:36 PDT V2hhdCBpcyB0aGUgY29ycmVjdCBvaWwgZ3VhZ2UgbGluZSByb3V0aW5nPw0KwqANClRoYW5rcw0KSm9lbCBNYXJ0aW4BMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:45:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Cc: Jim Walter Subject: [Tigers] Oil Guage Line Routing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net What is the correct oil guage line routing? Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 20:10:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978B74293D for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:10:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s19.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s19.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758FC422A6 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:10:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU166-DS18 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s19.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:08:58 -0700 From: "Curt Bowland" To: "tigers" Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:08:56 -0500 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:08:56 -0500 FILETIME=[83AA2210:01CE3FC7] Subject: [Tigers] fluids Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I go through a lot of Castrol LMA each year, cheap by comparison with rebuilding wheel cylinders and calipers. as well as clutch master and slave. An old racers trick is to use something like a syringe and "float" a layer of silicone fluid on top of the LMA in the master. This will reduce the largest available surface area from hydroscopic moisture adsorption. Curt in Chicago _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 23:14:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85D5403F3 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:14:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f172.google.com (mail-pd0-f172.google.com [209.85.192.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6504039F for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 4so182129pdd.31 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 22:12:56 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=ao8Zp+ypwXTE24mpRVeyhiEIVoOwqonvZPMch4alRMU=; b=lRQCLarbduhgGSg1yCxoCXWnSY3BVyOz0cccJB30+PsodPyHEH2yvum/kzpbzMNt9h l6jn43amhLDCUp7nBEd6Gtu4pjpeRy9l33K1jQcb5gdS8M5mA2ZPnkbUurFtOQuQwKjo BLGMcxrt7lEjrEYq1ks+dLEM8CIJml14TXtB+ul/s/cH6ED+ZHinqcOVq/8TiKLozGlw fFyf3ZDnzeX4akTdOBfNonLwWc/nNSuhATxOYFApb0e7mBNQ3I9n4eOQfVaaoM8sWTsT B3QqXGywH/OPZE9R54PKt0OMaETAAInGlXAk9p9uWJpn/Tej4Iz6w6CoGLp0fxnAhNuc N5ZQ== 10mr37744159pbm.136.1366693976626; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 22:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xz4sm27969724pbb.18.2013.04.22.22.12.54 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Apr 2013 22:12:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 22:12:52 -0700 To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Update on DOT 3 - 5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I should have spent more time in the archives. I found plenty of information, including from my dad. DOT 5 is no more or less "compressible" than DOT 3 or 4. Silicone fluid does not absorb water. So the same water that gets into the system accumulates at low spots and therefore makes the greatest chance of rust at that spot. This is of course an issue in the brake system, whereas the clutch's lowest point is aluminum! But clutch or brakes, that pocket of water in DOT 5 is worse for spongy brakes when it heats up in there and the water steams, and not so bad when it is spread out in DOT4. DOT 4 accumulates some sort of brown gunk, needing flushing every couple of years (which really isn't a problem) but DOT 5 does not. Apparently that is why my dad put in an accordion moisture block on top of the reservoir. So, the fluid level can go down (like when you press the clutch) without sucking in moisture through the hole. Kind of the best of both worlds There are opinions back and forth about what fluids swell the rubber now and which ones don't. Some suggest to soak the rubber in DOT 4 before installing in a silicone system. But, then there are people who say the fluids have to be 100% separated and cleaned out. So, I don't understand this contradiction. There are people who say it is ok to go from silicone to DOT 4, by just bleeding a couple times, but not the other way around. I have two rebuild kits and DOT4 LMA on the way from Rick. But, with this all in mind, I think I'm likely to follow what my dad did, and put the silicone DOT 5 back in. But, I'm going to mark the top of the cap for my kids! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 07:42:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C491C40067 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 07:42:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5916403FA for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 07:38:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail211-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.239) by TX2EHSOBE010.bigfish.com (10.9.40.30) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:36:56 +0000 Received: from mail211-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail211-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B526A402E4; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:36:56 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail211-tx2: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail211-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail211-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1366724192473133_2999; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS013.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.247]) by mail211-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F9F44003E; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by TX2EHSMHS013.bigfish.com (10.9.99.113) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:36:32 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT06.ad.garmin.com (10.2.0.28) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:36:36 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.214]) by olawpa-exht06.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.0.28]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:36:23 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Jay Laifman , Tiger's Den Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Update on DOT 3 - 5 Thread-Index: AQHOP+FAq3mqq50v6EiQtwKqeLlWM5jjzZaA Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:36:22 +0000 References: <0663F443-EB18-4E94-B94B-CD841F63C40B@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Update on DOT 3 - 5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Silicone fluid is not inherently more compressible than DOT 3 or 4, but it retains trapped air for much longer and silicone fluid can also absorb air. That means if you shake the container or pour it such that air is entrapped in the fluid, it can stay there in a way that is not visible and then when you bleed the system, it will end up inside the lines and give you a spongy pedal feel. http://www.mossmotors.com/SiteGraphics/Pages/Brake_Fluid/page4.html Theo ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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Any particular 'correct' type of connectors should be used? The battery itself should be group 27? Any particular brands accepted to be 'correct'? Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 08:30:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B1C403FF for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:30:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from am1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (am1ehsobe006.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.209]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50321403DA for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail84-am1-R.bigfish.com (10.3.201.225) by AM1EHSOBE004.bigfish.com (10.3.204.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:29:42 +0000 Received: from mail84-am1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail84-am1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4343260098; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:29:42 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail84-am1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail84-am1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail84-am1 (MessageSwitch) id 1366727380583375_13562; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AM1EHSMHS005.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.201.245]) by mail84-am1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B90742017D; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by AM1EHSMHS005.bigfish.com (10.3.207.105) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:29:38 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.180) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:29:49 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.214]) by OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.180]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:29:35 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground Strap Thread-Index: AQHOQC6a0eN2HlRBiUSSs/yGzsuKN5jj3P1g Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:29:35 +0000 References: <1366727055.24611.YahooMailClassic@web164701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground Strap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The connectors on the end of the braid are a large stamped lug, not at all like stuff that's commercially available today (at least not at your local Pep Boys) but you could make one up out of some 3/32 flat steel stock if you're handy with a vise and hammer. I can send you a picture... it may be that Rick has the cable reproduced. Theo ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 09:44:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBAC840404 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:44:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986FF403BB for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:41:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r3NFcfam031456; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:39:59 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b2c1) id dm0219.5171a5bd.9ad1b; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:39:41 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:39:34 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5ALpmZtkX+fgmaRWuCqhJ2obTKsAAB6dIg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-23_06:2013-04-23,2013-04-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304230140 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground Strap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel The ground strap and battery negative terminal to ground are both braided with HD connectors. Battery is a group 27 - the original battery was Lucas with 6 screw in cell covers with vent nipples and a vent tube. I have an Interstate battery in my Tiger. You would have to be going for totally bone stock to want a Lucas battery and they are expensive - $200 - $300 range for a repro AGM battery. http://antiqueautobattery.com/batteries.html This web site has those batteries and they also list cables for the Sunbeam but I'm not sure there is a picture for them. British Wire Inc lists the braided cable but I don't know what they have for connectors. www.Britishwire.com Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:24 AM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground Strap All The starter bolt to body\frame ground strap and battery to body ground strap in trunk - these should be 'braided' cables as opposed to cable with rubber covering? Any particular 'correct' type of connectors should be used? The battery itself should be group 27? Any particular brands accepted to be 'correct'? Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6267 - Release Date: 04/23/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 09:48:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395034040D for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:48:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44498403EB for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:48:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail200-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.246) by CH1EHSOBE005.bigfish.com (10.43.70.55) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:47:36 +0000 Received: from mail200-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail200-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C531601B4; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:47:36 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail200-ch1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail200-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail200-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1366732053845889_3307; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS020.bigfish.com (snatpool2.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.236]) by mail200-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AE74000A8; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CH1EHSMHS020.bigfish.com (10.43.70.20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:47:32 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:47:45 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.214]) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.181]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:47:30 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" , 'Joel Martin' , 'Tiger List Serve' Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground Strap Thread-Index: AQHOQC6a0eN2HlRBiUSSs/yGzsuKN5jkRPYA//+uKOA= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:47:29 +0000 References: <1366727055.24611.YahooMailClassic@web164701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4A6FBE04C9C940338ACFCF7B184FBF8A@ronpc1> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground Strap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Closest for the lugs are going to be this one or the 3/8" equivalent. http://www.britishwiring.com/5-16-Flag-Type-Ring-Terminal-37-16-p/c292.htm Note the website name - it's not britishwire.com Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: April 23, 2013 9:40 AM > To: 'Joel Martin'; 'Tiger List Serve' > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground > Strap > > Joel > The ground strap and battery negative terminal to ground are both > braided with HD connectors. > > Battery is a group 27 - the original battery was Lucas with 6 screw in > cell covers with vent nipples and a vent tube. > > I have an Interstate battery in my Tiger. You would have to be going > for totally bone stock to want a Lucas battery and they are expensive - > $200 - > $300 range for a repro AGM battery. > > http://antiqueautobattery.com/batteries.html > This web site has those batteries and they also list cables for the > Sunbeam but I'm not sure there is a picture for them. > > British Wire Inc lists the braided cable but I don't know what they > have for connectors. > www.Britishwire.com > > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Joel Martin > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:24 AM > To: Tiger List Serve > Subject: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground > Strap > > > All > > The starter bolt to body\frame ground strap and battery to body ground > strap in trunk - these should be 'braided' cables as opposed to cable > with rubber covering? Any particular 'correct' type of connectors > should be used? > > The battery itself should be group 27? Any particular brands accepted > to be 'correct'? > > Thanks > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6267 - Release Date: > 04/23/13 _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 12:06:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC004043C for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f49.google.com (mail-vb0-f49.google.com [209.85.212.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C569240405 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:01:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 11so867340vbf.8 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:00:06 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pm0+aytIaflWj9nmd/9MrbetVthGQ6BWx8/4PhrL+Kw=; b=knPY/K/Rbp9zLXPSYkLGo/c8WkFBzPb+ZlhR9C7NBZkirYwid8C1fVW7R8oNT82ZRo Y+pqmZcH3BcihgdlQkxHAvOew2wlx3YxBXN1xladIbr0C5vhTiaa7D1FzmIJZS/hKDlp 1I1ajIbTzGMKG6QHpLjFVEdDbe5OhXTrdR2K59hcmi7RdxauGx8XfAVB7d76tRdNNK53 vW4cu/nNaMd19AiYCzBhpLUOQMT89UvEVk/FcH6g3YqnW/aRwDdzrNf+Xl9XwBeFktmx g8e5dDfj1KporF7oeG9vGkZtdXlSbOw4izM1AzfvnvuIpvihtZ47Se35DtFq0zNoRPx/ HXrA== fi5mr19755497vdc.105.1366740006182; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.40.84 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:00:06 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: [Tigers] Expandable seal for Clutch Master Cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net As we've been posting, moisture is the enemy to the hydraulics. My dad did have an expandable insert in there. But it was ripped and useless now, and I have no idea where he got it. I found this one: http://www.mossmotors.com/graphics/products/PDF/582-505.pdf I don't know yet for sure if it is the right size. But, I note that it has a slit in it, and they say that you have to be able to equalize pressure and must have a hole. That seems odd to me. I would think that if you have an expandable insert, as the level dropped, the insert would drop with it, and pull in air into its inside. So it would equalize the pressure just fine - assuming it could expand freely. Am I missing something? Anyone have a source for a better one? I called Pegasus and they didn't have anything. I've emailed Rick, and we'll see what he says. Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 12:18:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12CD94043F for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:18:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm39-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893864040B for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:14:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.61] by nm39.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 18:13:37 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.253] by tm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 18:13:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1061.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 18:13:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 25355 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2013 18:13:37 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366740817; bh=dCoh3isRslWCTzkreVEEKxLupUs1MUk0fbdNN9MSNU8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vLmN3XiWxdotV+k27mueFtN4NZygzRc5edmDRxCIcGt4ik93C1QHdQcoUBjJUBw1jaBIh4nmBBQMFPcmICHhQTlzACOtfe4eRu167C6YQm9ZsmWgL4X1nxD4F9cRRPo+MBDXzvXnJfKheVydWVq8c6k+ZSAV1gHc7dJXJ9ZxbYQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mqpAXAlLkQB49SuYGtCxVzf6/byETgsk0UEUfMZsyr5xSFxLSiGyyZhflq0RZJ9hfI1w/UiItTzVCgy0O5voj400WHqEfSQ4BcQQ32sx7P3K3TJlRstZxy+vllsqtaFH4arXxPl2K/BKtyU84fMw1xIFkjj5SE0af7SCi5AZuIs=; 12YOWlEg.SIrLGzbPoRwdjCs2Can.IfR4iWhAiaUib_N5OcWS0hHRgkEQJIe kM5jnv6vW1yBVfchv6cMcDlAnCmI4hMJ_Nl85ITw9GKgRq2GOREhCrnDA3WW FNE1Qsf0mvkJ8giWuRzSPSrCPD1UkKD5v97NaquzedrKgsEoNJSL9nX0AUqo h040F6DolxiTeg5AdeIj4PQf9_PLISghbw7oK0u1bXNYrxwdLIRoFvZ7bKmd FmtZpzEvr7nr60pjmMZQlT5cQtDP59CLcvjNuOWA7bPJ7ApRpj3zMbA7JoZn kpAaBIMft80_eZ8Fq6R4Du7gGF.GFb5pHvgF8b5izmlkvVno.Z0YVgNI_YOB uThfdoG.tOFksIKSeeeAuThEthGWKuTKUGOVIdAPi7HzZtkjfxqlbWMN9G5v lx9zcUCeHxxjxXy3_8C2fzlSumL_175bSXQzOommnMuFnyY2Iluz9WMjYYn3 r.HKsThdOVZIQQ4ZFV8DvVKOJabwcNuMtomjTHFC7K83EdKcTPTlHq6t6QW4 2_L4xv3FPexSkdQj8H_Bcs5qv4iXM6InfO5IzZhKmf8FuUD98qZuA6YNiR8A dyhIWIDoD6Vg_fZa8lvutaOGw14l.nCQ4ocRwtlmKLjJHH1zBgqRYRIRNOA8 NDbR0nlY_VqGTHEPPXALWry9o11rNafy_3r4uTSGVs3G4BEo_.irQIOfOdIL BMWfwBLQaxgouOfOYPMBe6jYxHgu8fQcoj8N9FNdvRdVRHlg18TYVpG1gT9G gcTSeWvD.QRLtbCQqoFKUNb5zSUhmjmosrhPIWrfOTmua.gGlq6UNe5FEMef oxkQ5ZR5D Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:13:37 PDT DQoNCg0KDQoNCiMgb2Ygc3RyYW5kcyBzZWVtcyB0byBiZSBhIGZhY3RvciAtIG5vdCBzdXJlIGZvciB0aGUgY2FibGUgaXRzZWxmLsKgIENhYmxlIGNvbG9yIHNob3VsZCBiZSBzaWx2ZXI_IFRoZSBwYXJ0IFRoZW8gcmVmZXJlbmNlcyBsb29rcyB0byBiZSBhIDUvMTYiIGZsYXQgdHlwZSByaW5nIHRlcm1pbmFsIC0gMyB3b3VsZCBiZSBuZWVkZWQ_wqAgQk9OIGluZGljYXRlcyBuZWcgd2FzIGEgMTQiIHdvdmVuIGNhYmxlIHdpdGggYSBzb2xkZXJlZCByaWdodCBhbmdsZSBiYXR0ZXJ5IGVuZCAtIGFueSBjb3IBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:13:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: 'Tiger List Serve' , rfraser@bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground Strap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net # of strands seems to be a factor - not sure for the cable itself. Cable color should be silver? The part Theo references looks to be a 5/16" flat type ring terminal - 3 would be needed? BON indicates neg was a 14" woven cable with a soldered right angle battery end - any correct type here? Batteries I have found. Interstate MTP27 @ $129 MotorCraft Max BXT27B with negative post on right $110 - cannot find any pictures and ford dealers are no help. Appears terminals should be on right with pos toward rear fender and neg toward rear of trunk closest to passenger side fender not middle of trunk? Is this correct? For correctness sake is MotorCraft accepted in place of Lucas or is Lucas only points correct? Thanks Joel Martin --- On Tue, 4/23/13, Ron Fraser wrote: From: Ron Fraser Subject: RE: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground Strap To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 11:39 AM Joel The ground strap and battery negative terminal to ground are both braided with HD connectors. Battery is a group 27 - the original battery was Lucas with 6 screw in cell covers with vent nipples and a vent tube. I have an Interstate battery in my Tiger. You would have to be going for totally bone stock to want a Lucas battery and they are expensive - $200 - $300 range for a repro AGM battery. http://antiqueautobattery.com/batteries.html This web site has those batteries and they also list cables for the Sunbeam but I'm not sure there is a picture for them. British Wire Inc lists the braided cable but I don't know what they have for connectors. www.Britishwire.com Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:24 AM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground Strap All The starter bolt to body\frame ground strap and battery to body ground strap in trunk - these should be 'braided' cables as opposed to cable with rubber covering? Any particular 'correct' type of connectors should be used? The battery itself should be group 27? Any particular brands accepted to be 'correct'? Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6267 - Release Date: 04/23/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 12:33:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AAE4043B for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:33:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com (mail-vb0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B994C4040F for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:31:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 11so909841vbe.33 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:30:12 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GuhuBxUVkHJhlGZ/K8+HCWR2Q0FIADvsBzz4cBL4xWg=; b=Up99URqb8GdcKxpDIdjtWsxB044CmuvHo3B+wgcwjxG5TIKMMiMs3piIU4tK3IHnhT K48IisZg0+RhqaNLuCDtGrpc7joy/NE+xVelOiWy6VubC4zpWy+KpI1EOUuu7cCcN+mF 9jVCC5Fetfp9sc7zdBuPHnCkgY+8wGNxU0v98FhW3xZbxRuta8zh/ePPSOdWWjHkRlp5 ZYb8+9FzPLvwF9KGxZXSWkmePg3f9Cems/Fizknl1HZt2Y2SqZpa4JJd7c6KAdeadBC8 lqgSdBk2TalQwUh0dSkfq4Jq45hD7KDzJpiX9501a52OPC+xLQCOgjm7hGj2vFfxswqM ynsg== sz4mr11600650vdc.118.1366741812842; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.40.84 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:30:12 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: [Tigers] Moisture Barrier Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Here is what my dad had in there: http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p542/MASTER-CYLINDER-MOISTURE-BARRIER-(SMALL)/product_info.html So it may still be out there. Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 13:25:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6308A40443 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5EF40417 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:24:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r3NJN6l6031055; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:23:43 -0700 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622e) id dm0225.5171a5c4.97725; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:23:36 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.179.222]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:23:35 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jay Laifman'" , "'Tiger's Den'" Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:23:28 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5AUOCY2/Wnb6P8RK6ydVheiHF6hwABwAUg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-23_06:2013-04-23,2013-04-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304230195 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Moisture Barrier Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay I thought CAT had them in their catalog. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 2:30 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Moisture Barrier Here is what my dad had in there: http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p542/MASTER-CYLINDER-MOISTURE-BARRIER-(SMA LL)/product_info.html So it may still be out there. Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6267 - Release Date: 04/23/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 13:34:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964174051F for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:34:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF4F40417 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:29:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r3NJS7wk019092; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:28:19 -0700 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622e) id dm0224.5171a5c2.926cd; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:28:12 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.179.222]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:28:10 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:28:06 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5ATkY3zYvZ1sLRRrWAPGJY9+jxgAACdfWw engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-23_06:2013-04-23,2013-04-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304230197 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground Strap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel If your building a 100 point dead stock Tiger; then you need a Lucas battery with the breather hose. If your not building a 100 point Tiger put in the best battery available to you. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Joel Martin [mailto:jmartiniii@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 2:14 PM To: 'Tiger List Serve'; rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: Theo Smit - Tiger Owner Subject: RE: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground Strap # of strands seems to be a factor - not sure for the cable itself. Cable color should be silver? The part Theo references looks to be a 5/16" flat type ring terminal - 3 would be needed? BON indicates neg was a 14" woven cable with a soldered right angle battery end - any correct type here? Batteries I have found. Interstate MTP27 @ $129 MotorCraft Max BXT27B with negative post on right $110 - cannot find any pictures and ford dealers are no help. Appears terminals should be on right with pos toward rear fender and neg toward rear of trunk closest to passenger side fender not middle of trunk? Is this correct? For correctness sake is MotorCraft accepted in place of Lucas or is Lucas only points correct? Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 13:50:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93F340421 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:50:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm39-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A864040D for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.190] by nm39.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 19:43:00 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.49] by tm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 19:43:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1064.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 19:43:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 49314 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2013 19:43:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366746180; bh=C0llZkKdGS1opc84QsWjIi+6J3e1JnyLWKvZ8912Tzk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dZN/YaS0A6SIWkQQgC2yGCYouktF+8PHWXkQDTnqe4ZldpInjzzGqTPT2NL3leL20YlYpGjBrGb20YvImuVgZdaNO39yGevJ4nTyI18fbtv+mkChPd0xqqXCNFa+AbltZYFJjYkeatAIi5dBo+tdPw4X5Tfp4LQFtk8nYK/1q2c= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RM4gg+xQg3LJXCF3ddFXHJ1sMXqa1K9oEUXaY5haKZDoAznnKUOZTfLp30qcpJM2RDwwG/reeM9F8+0FGTNCIb+T7CafnHSb1t8dceihli4FvxBk824y0yj01h1wr1FEoOJoPMcSU/+Kc42jmmDcZGxbNTCdgtFsOopGcXb38kg=; 6M70MTfnJE_jUFbYH.9n2SAeS5Gf1kHcLxtseGQXx71wZqQAOH2SunwTAa_a uIBpMXp_9Tqr39331AIGuhVxb.uafW4lJ69sdej7VxgZZASl4cmsI4EXBzsY zfpIUSGXq06YhCKPoWTvY8RCDuUKsdXQBDaSAfMt6ZqFQdXiZ.NCFWUqFLpD PvE7Y98kZUtrvg5JKCGkuS5lS9Sk5mHCe5TCAazGSoJDREhVvf2ggUwyLycg 0txw30gpJ9xILy3NCvWGrnJxuiTyyGFMKEhnAOQ87_4dszIXHk_22P_iIHYe kbHEAcx_d4Eqt9ZbSQidzQlj8aHXZ8CHrqIum.QNxrjOc_e13_mR.nx4h2tF 8bKEXHcX5cznNuJfSLQVH1iK57lTI2wnm4HckFGUAJb0hCy8fHn8tJ1pOrnJ 9d8HwCeWQJVC1HIMMKhVgVxRF_zUs3GI7Fp8hME6_2hh1Axg92ljxhXfrEsP e Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:43:00 PDT Um9uXEFsbA0KwqANCk5vIDEwMCBwb2ludCBjYXIgaGVyZSwgbm9yIHdhbnQgdG8gYmUgYnV0IGlmIEkgbXVzdCBidXkgLSBnZXQgY29ycmVjdCBvciBhcyBjbG9zZSB0byBjb3JyZWN0IGFzIGRvbGxhcnMgd2lsbCBhbGxvdyAtIGJ1eSBjb3JyZWN0IGlmIGF0IGFsbCBwb3NzaWJsZS7CoFRoZSBMdWNhcyBiYXR0ZXJ5IGRvbGxhcnMgZG9lcyBub3QgYWxsb3cuDQrCoA0KSSBkaWQgbm90IGtub3cgaWYgTW90b3JDcmFmdCBiYXR0ZXJpZXMgYXJlIGFjY2VwdGFibGUgdG8ganVkZ2VzIGp1c3QgYXMgTW90b3JDcmEBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:43:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: 'Tiger List Serve' , rfraser@bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground Strap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ron\All No 100 point car here, nor want to be but if I must buy - get correct or as close to correct as dollars will allow - buy correct if at all possible. The Lucas battery dollars does not allow. I did not know if MotorCraft batteries are acceptable to judges just as MotorCraft oil filters are. If so then I will buy MotorCraft as opposed to Interstate which I have used most of my life with little to no complaints. I have a Interstate (1) 12 V battery in my 73 MGB, original owner, as opposed to 2 - 6 volt Lucas batteries. As always, seriously, thanks for your input. I always value every ones thoughts\opinions. Joel Martin --- On Tue, 4/23/13, Ron Fraser wrote: From: Ron Fraser Subject: RE: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground Strap To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Cc: "'Theo Smit - Tiger Owner'" Date: Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 3:28 PM Joel If your building a 100 point dead stock Tiger; then you need a Lucas battery with the breather hose. If your not building a 100 point Tiger put in the best battery available to you. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Joel Martin [mailto:jmartiniii@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 2:14 PM To: 'Tiger List Serve'; rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: Theo Smit - Tiger Owner Subject: RE: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground Strap # of strands seems to be a factor - not sure for the cable itself. Cable color should be silver? The part Theo references looks to be a 5/16" flat type ring terminal - 3 would be needed? BON indicates neg was a 14" woven cable with a soldered right angle battery end - any correct type here? Batteries I have found. Interstate MTP27 @ $129 MotorCraft Max BXT27B with negative post on right $110 - cannot find any pictures and ford dealers are no help. Appears terminals should be on right with pos toward rear fender and neg toward rear of trunk closest to passenger side fender not middle of trunk? Is this correct? For correctness sake is MotorCraft accepted in place of Lucas or is Lucas only points correct? Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 13:55:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4154044C for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:55:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from am1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (am1ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D9040417 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:55:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail20-am1-R.bigfish.com (10.3.201.238) by AM1EHSOBE026.bigfish.com (10.3.207.148) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:54:14 +0000 Received: from mail20-am1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail20-am1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF47A01A4; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:54:14 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail20-am1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail20-am1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail20-am1 (MessageSwitch) id 1366746851189542_15078; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:54:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AM1EHSMHS008.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.201.247]) by mail20-am1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22225300051; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:54:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by AM1EHSMHS008.bigfish.com (10.3.207.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:54:10 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.179) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:53:12 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.214]) by OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.179]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:52:56 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Joel Martin , 'Tiger List Serve' , "rfraser@bluefrog.com" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground Strap Thread-Index: AQHOQE5G0eN2HlRBiUSSs/yGzsuKN5jkNsmQ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:52:55 +0000 References: <1366740817.20245.YahooMailClassic@web164706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground Strap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For the ground straps you want to have equivalent copper area to probably #2 cable. For the engine side strap, the chassis end uses a 5/16 screw and the other side (going to a starter bolt) will be 3/8". For the battery strap, 5/16" lug to the chassis should be more than sufficient... a good connection there requires that you strip the chassis to bare metal in that area. I don't recall offhand what the "right" battery terminal is. Theo From: Joel Martin [mailto:jmartiniii@yahoo.com] Sent: April 23, 2013 12:14 PM To: 'Tiger List Serve'; rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: Smit, Theo Subject: RE: [Tigers] Ground Strap and Battery to body Negative Ground Strap ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 15:10:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5EA4051D for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46ED84041C for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:10:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by smtp.thecia.net; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:09:14 -0400 From: "rande" To: jmartiniii@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:09:14 -0400 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger - battery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel, I don't know if you're a member, but let me pass something along from the latest CAT newsletter: "During the month of May, California Association of Tiger Owners can receive a significant discount on a new Optima battery purchased at www.optimabatteries.com Please e-mail optimajim@gmail.com for your one-time use coupon code or call Optima Jim at (414)469-2869." I don't know if this source ships from one central warehouse. My experience with battery sales is that for hazmat reasons, the vendor usually contracts with their local warehouse near your business or home to arrange shipment. Interstate, for example has two shipping warehouses near Boston, and is the OEM replacement supplier for, I think, VW/Audi and Honda/Acura. For Optima, I'm not familiar with their use, but let's ask other Tiger folks for their feedback, assuming they're priced competitively against Interstate taking into effect the coupon. If I'm divulging a state secret here, take it up with me next month in Albany or in June in Large Bear. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 15:12:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9708140532 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:12:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64FA403F0 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:12:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9CAA077C for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:14:01 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17 To: Tigers List Subject: [Tigers] Yahoo, etc. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I believe the yahoo, btinternet, sbcglobal issue is resolved. I'll keep a close eye on list mail to check. mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 15:51:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9CB40531 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:51:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678284042C for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:48:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.102] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 21:47:48 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.87] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 21:47:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 21:47:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 48082 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2013 21:47:48 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366753668; bh=7nlNzX83UllPPc/TAkeHhXEQJ2Rm6bmOAJqY6BTmlRI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fdNIXevybD5ISyfFvSQVosxGg35S06N2wlJxDl2amGFIHQxjKH885MP4zVyu1CMp/nb30aPbuunqgmWfJ57mdVTxW4ylK0K6Nukk++X7qokFgD2wBBc0+EtLjUmzd11s6eitz3Jt/K9IclOS2r3I4eOoXRraXYLI/kkLuEC+Ztc= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lx7LOjs4w5tNd3H1lQMLsWpGriYxaF5ELk626d5QeSni+mlLDRU7Sszu9UfrVtO1/Zcog8KlYlLk4s3IjWzKoiCA6EF3SDMUx58OKENCi49BtH1u0IvLK/j13o8a4OwhtGfR7OpdW6IDdyOdYpQ4hUzFYIOPQBulGKM16XHd60w=; hTEBSqeyOJ3wZikwunE7OZ0qT75DLNsTT57xPar8S8k3XfwQY9347HqP0OY0 hJFewGOJ7btAss6bkAfo5r7OKoVkpZ4x5w1UH.7hd9F_n1uR_e9IlEmkROBl Rn1TjNGDN9ra6SZN2PfG7e4YYkclhjVxjlo2shfH9p6BAFWTs5h4vfu15VjT VqiEp0dHV6YnJ2KdByAaueGUYHBZw7IIKrU5wqd_O5QsReFZynSd_GQanvXD LL.gh.52GpSc.rb5cGPsoeVVLXYQqxopmNIfpVqeuQ7G0luYfCruPJ2lIN21 HLwKHFRbj4PS4f_ExXYLd_NzDZ8WqyZxoqypacgMEp.OeTVlW7gliqvWstjf jVeVZSVJSVE6JwDLm2vWCUSe1iJMJ7I0wVZjbZEHc2osk7ftnLlxau60v0Qd BvBHalttYfpxCx0JiHXDcNjSlO8q7egSstyvN8U55XcdEBHwTQAu71QJdrkw KXeWxu1NpLv9PHGOnab9kgum.th5Mo4BwhtkzADLVw0Ooxmn5g77EUY8F95W F1VoLtV4WEBBSKY_TcibF.RjeUpoaAf3BTkt30jKGI5sKB1BjjsAGHPW9FVD qDmT6.pDMDPqWIjXdPREH2MntnFLa9nWur3Ai01FV7o3pz3mpyPCoXJnz7Vk RSZMHCcGDJDRy0Fqg1cIJ3BQwai.Aomimt3An_svLaahqDJGkvGp.1xsubuT rjFNqwV330CXg0LlS79k11_gMN7eqQw-- Received: from [76.101.230.63] by web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:47:47 PDT cmFuZGUsDQrCoMKgwqDCoCBJIHNlbnQgaGltIGFuIGVtYWlsIGFib3V0IHRoZSBPcHRpbWEgYmF0dGVyaWVzLsKgIEhlIHdyb3RlIG1lIGJhY2sgYW5kIHNhaWQgdGhlIHByb21vdGlvbiBzdGFydHMgaW4gTWF5IGFuZCBoZSBkb2Vzbid0IGhhdmUgdGhlIGNvdXBvbiBjb2RlcyB5ZXQgYnV0IHdvdWxkIHB1dCBtZSBvbiB0aGUgbGlzdCBhbmQgd291bGQgc2VuZCB0aGVtIHdoZW4gdGhleSBhcmUgYXZhaWxhYmxlLg0KwqDCoMKgwqAgQnkgdGhlIHdheSwgSSBoYXZlIGJlZW4gdXNpbmcgdGhlIHNhbWUgT3B0aW0BMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:47:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul R Sheahan To: jmartiniii@yahoo.com, rande@thecia.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger - battery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net rande, I sent him an email about the Optima batteries. He wrote me back and said the promotion starts in May and he doesn't have the coupon codes yet but would put me on the list and would send them when they are available. By the way, I have been using the same Optima battery since 1999. Great product. Paul Paul R Sheahan (239)732-1704 Office (704)564-3831 Cell --- On Tue, 4/23/13, rande wrote: From: rande Subject: [Tigers] Tiger - battery To: jmartiniii@yahoo.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 5:09 PM Joel, I don't know if you're a member, but let me pass something along from the latest CAT newsletter: "During the month of May, California Association of Tiger Owners can receive a significant discount on a new Optima battery purchased at www.optimabatteries.com Please e-mail optimajim@gmail.com for your one-time use coupon code or call Optima Jim at (414)469-2869." I don't know if this source ships from one central warehouse. My experience with battery sales is that for hazmat reasons, the vendor usually contracts with their local warehouse near your business or home to arrange shipment. Interstate, for example has two shipping warehouses near Boston, and is the OEM replacement supplier for, I think, VW/Audi and Honda/Acura. For Optima, I'm not familiar with their use, but let's ask other Tiger folks for their feedback, assuming they're priced competitively against Interstate taking into effect the coupon. If I'm divulging a state secret here, take it up with me next month in Albany or in June in Large Bear. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sunbeamtiger@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 17:10:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29A440541 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:10:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f170.google.com (unknown [209.85.216.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681844051D for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id d42so629789qca.29 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:58:41 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8G0FHC34CfUJr9490IvJpfCB3GcnqXawRnu8q8E11RY=; b=pdz5XLbQjqvNaaIlN12O34opZ7c4+xPXMUEW1P5jC3hQp1U++vT9hw9esPCong/bPs CYHA0iA+Z+v1FgXQPkFF3quVz8csHtszrZDik2YclZPJ23q99lL6bjI/Ka8Bqv2nHWOK sNL56q2OIWKqXjoG55WWv7WU7x2auP7vFIhzcXEPnpyjUR0+6SqxDRnTDUhWxJXTB1kd 2cUtWp0jeiVoc1xnnMB5aETuDvZ8snAtFEAz0Zh7357NxA+jESyoFyX3ybzcpsblM3Zo sOkXvMg4fxlXOp8ftJ3KO04Sl6EwaAGnFmjEz6Nx8Z3ZabhY3oHOw9w9qZ20SBgkS3G5 EWEw== Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.120.195 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:58:41 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: LIST TIGER Subject: [Tigers] Optima Batteries Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net When I bought my Tiger, way back in the late seventies, it had already had a hard life. Besides body damage on the passenger side there was a huge hole in the boot floor, the result of a battery spill. It took decades before I had the wherewithal to have the body repaired. One decision - after the boot floor went in an Optima battery found its way onto the battery base pad. No more spills, if I can believe the hype; gel batteries don't do that. I've seen them mounted on the side in newer cars where space is at a premium. I hope I never have to find out if the battery is really "spill proof." I can say that the Optima I have holds a charge over long periods of sitting, and has had no problem getting the engine running and the lights on. Tom '67 mark 2 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 17:29:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9AE40537 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:29:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com (mail-vc0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1868840430 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:28:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id gf11so558758vcb.36 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:27:22 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=4IUhw4XCwoaOxO+xvg+XoF4tjObT2GmBExWNVyw2G60=; b=H7EDSya3fsHMFYFmvgRya02oU85MXjnfEG6tu3f5lSlXcHoJxHSyah41vwUditlvg5 7NjdO6eG5XScMau94Uq0Whl+Fx3ma4zdBknn9oVZ7rLiORzrum//mmgcIHQKXTeQVtyo WLS4DiyYW32lFUjQSiqlXFu/HSjO5ize6k0j0fWs6oNRFhInOI7fGmLW134c8TAXuuNb 5UkhXNTc0c9fGyA5ZdHiLIthZEV4ZnKWfcJEqC1H/A9dWVgIda+XUbesKPhLYtVxyO5e et1Zc9pc9VKlKtCQaAe7CiOKcV09N1ucjZnmjyYs+94mza4spfyWE9LCvtzBx6uGzY8+ sOMg== Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.40.84 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:27:22 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:27:22 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Tom Parker Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Optima Batteries Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net While I don't disagree that I've heard the same, I've also heard that the quality went down for awhile there, which may or may not have been fixed. In my experience, the Optima batteries do weird things on the chargers. I don't know if that means there is something already wrong with the battery, and it's too late. Or, if that means they have issues with the chargers. On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Tom Parker wrote: > When I bought my Tiger, way back in the late seventies, it had already had > a hard life. Besides body damage on the passenger side there was a huge > hole in the boot floor, the result of a battery spill. It took decades > before I had the wherewithal to have the body repaired. One decision - > after the boot floor went in an Optima battery found its way onto the > battery base pad. No more spills, if I can believe the hype; gel batteries > don't do that. I've seen them mounted on the side in newer cars where space > is at a premium. > > I hope I never have to find out if the battery is really "spill proof." I > can say that the Optima I have holds a charge over long periods of sitting, > and has had no problem getting the engine running and the lights on. > > Tom > '67 mark 2 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 17:41:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175CF40541 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A0240433 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:40:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.116] ([66.37.94.171]) by m1plsmtpa01-03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id Tbfo1l00D3hqXde01bfoXM; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:39:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:39:40 -0400 From: Chris Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Jay Laifman References: Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Optima Batteries Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Optima and Interstate batteries are apples and oranges. I've had an Optima in my Tiger for over ten years, as well as in all my other classic cars. Not only do they not out-gas or spill causing corrosion, they tolerate a deep discharge much better.... Very non-stock however, and a good bit pricey. But my local Advance Auto will match any price I find on the interweb.... Chris B382000331 On 4/23/2013 7:27 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > While I don't disagree that I've heard the same, I've also heard that the > quality went down for awhile there, which may or may not have been fixed. > > In my experience, the Optima batteries do weird things on the chargers. I > don't know if that means there is something already wrong with the battery, > and it's too late. Or, if that means they have issues with the chargers. > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Tom Parker wrote: > >> When I bought my Tiger, way back in the late seventies, it had already had >> a hard life. Besides body damage on the passenger side there was a huge >> hole in the boot floor, the result of a battery spill. It took decades >> before I had the wherewithal to have the body repaired. One decision - >> after the boot floor went in an Optima battery found its way onto the >> battery base pad. No more spills, if I can believe the hype; gel batteries >> don't do that. I've seen them mounted on the side in newer cars where space >> is at a premium. >> >> I hope I never have to find out if the battery is really "spill proof." I >> can say that the Optima I have holds a charge over long periods of sitting, >> and has had no problem getting the engine running and the lights on. >> >> Tom >> '67 mark 2 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 18:23:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4988C4054D for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:23:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d01.mx.aol.com (omr-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.252.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD3C4040C for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by omr-d01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2D82B70015703 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 20:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfb002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.199]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EE38FE000088 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 20:17:27 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 20:17:27 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1366762648; bh=XpYVCN0mHm7O1GPseebXOD41NTHRt3lehLktLar3kes=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QH8GlNK4kwS9eH0KtMgTm1yly/jQStrB0SkrMQaxRSKsUk6XIrIpCpllMb0G6lsDL NHBUHf9i/bjTA2t/1bxbdHh8VI9rmdTc3njr4BI+IB1SvxNOR255ochXUVCCrSJ/gq 0kI/sDY6LlTU5VMtcSDCDdqsgGtNZZPwU4eAyFQQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc51772497285f Subject: Re: [Tigers] Optima Batteries Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Any specific way to charge them if they get low? In a message dated 4/23/2013 4:40:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, chris@cthompson.net writes: Optima and Interstate batteries are apples and oranges. I've had an Optima in my Tiger for over ten years, as well as in all my other classic cars. Not only do they not out-gas or spill causing corrosion, they tolerate a deep discharge much better.... Very non-stock however, and a good bit pricey. But my local Advance Auto will match any price I find on the interweb.... Chris B382000331 On 4/23/2013 7:27 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > While I don't disagree that I've heard the same, I've also heard that the > quality went down for awhile there, which may or may not have been fixed. > > In my experience, the Optima batteries do weird things on the chargers. I > don't know if that means there is something already wrong with the battery, > and it's too late. Or, if that means they have issues with the chargers. > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Tom Parker wrote: > >> When I bought my Tiger, way back in the late seventies, it had already had >> a hard life. Besides body damage on the passenger side there was a huge >> hole in the boot floor, the result of a battery spill. It took decades >> before I had the wherewithal to have the body repaired. One decision - >> after the boot floor went in an Optima battery found its way onto the >> battery base pad. No more spills, if I can believe the hype; gel batteries >> don't do that. I've seen them mounted on the side in newer cars where space >> is at a premium. >> >> I hope I never have to find out if the battery is really "spill proof." I >> can say that the Optima I have holds a charge over long periods of sitting, >> and has had no problem getting the engine running and the lights on. >> >> Tom >> '67 mark 2 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 18:32:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949EC40550 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:32:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70B54041C for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:32:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id TRaa1l0091Y3wxoA3cXTvx; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 00:31:27 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id TcXS1l00p2yr1eL8bcXSfd; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 00:31:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 00:31:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com s=q20121106; t=1366763487; bh=X+J9fFzqUxcSZb0cevQSh8e9UfrPwJfk2b5Jqz5J41U=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=pP45Sm2UqDmzeSbycrkKYG6nhvU4wvRI1/pTuOvXQ4k83G+Q8KkMBsFW2N+ZPUj7A MbTsJC43hJFJfev6Jh789rP1CD+h3UUFTRJ23YgB6jii30rZ7bk29g4ONAwCEJMNV4 bYv0AbG+x3tv7c/JSTSng6tOPYT1LB+Yb7HMiYszw61SxyGjLT0FpEuIK5Jlq9JeqQ R+6DAdltjcxFObO5zKM/WDHxa7VzqLzzEA4dllXFArRh14q8HNiUYYH+MmLciiQI1r DHW/kUi6AWcK8P9BwywS0yjIZeiyWOetJzp2tfV4GPFcUdCR0Cm3B2VJKLwnBLsAXP W7a84emvD7Chw== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Optima Batteries Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Optimas may work ok in an old car like a Tiger, but.. I put one in my 1999 Corvette that always has a small drain from the computers and stuff. I went on vacation for 2 weeks and when I got back not only was the Optima dead but it permanently ruined it. I was a red top, yeah I should have bought a yellow top.. or disconnected it.. Considering it cost 2-3X what a normal battery cost, I was not impressed! So what it you can mount it on its side, are you really going to do that? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 00:17:27 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Optima Batteries Any specific way to charge them if they get low? In a message dated 4/23/2013 4:40:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, chris@cthompson.net writes: Optima and Interstate batteries are apples and oranges. I've had an Optima in my Tiger for over ten years, as well as in all my other classic cars. Not only do they not out-gas or spill causing corrosion, they tolerate a deep discharge much better.... Very non-stock however, and a good bit pricey. But my local Advance Auto will match any price I find on the interweb.... Chris B382000331 On 4/23/2013 7:27 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > While I don't disagree that I've heard the same, I've also heard that the > quality went down for awhile there, which may or may not have been fixed. > > In my experience, the Optima batteries do weird things on the chargers. I > don't know if that means there is something already wrong with the battery, > and it's too late. Or, if that means they have issues with the chargers. > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Tom Parker wrote: > >> When I bought my Tiger, way back in the late seventies, it had already had >> a hard life. Besides body damage on the passenger side there was a huge >> hole in the boot floor, the result of a battery spill. It took decades >> before I had the wherewithal to have the body repaired. One decision - >> after the boot floor went in an Optima battery found its way onto the >> battery base pad. No more spills, if I can believe the hype; gel batteries >> don't do that. I've seen them mounted on the side in newer cars where space >> is at a premium. >> >> I hope I never have to find out if the battery is really "spill proof." I >> can say that the Optima I have holds a charge over long periods of sitting, >> and has had no problem getting the engine running and the lights on. >> >> Tom >> '67 mark 2 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 18:38:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A602840448 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:38:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006214041C for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 15so504523vea.29 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:33:54 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=76vaUdRDtqi+pwWjlCGUivL+7wHYBABhedRM0H3FJeQ=; b=umKX2NDdxqrLDomNTvPhJ70B756dKkn5KAX4ZKixgoF+c4YdKCycqW7otiRy/6eisl i2JOTXv4+MO1YiW0CpKn1AB4mpt+QroRqRPNDYYKNslf2cXxMVbNPbIPShQKo0SFetgo /kMHtt0ZvA5NDWCKu7oQzivUriFSlX0CuB29afg33fxGxD+3RD3i/FORqpSVn+lXPNuG JwFsi8XXUjRNT2TA+iqzlERLiwd56oA58g3L8Ey9tAXUYQBAZDdU7Ot8Esm9jrBFd7aK QXHK6z094bc/jWy1AjbLqJ/o+gDXnzXHxEH3XD48YbRWuNZOHKRcDiem9fetSyd5i0Vt FpLQ== q20mr20429863vdi.65.1366763633976; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.40.84 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:33:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <465418584.1224135.1366763486750.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:33:53 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Gary Winblad Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Optima Batteries Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, now that I think of it, when I said that they do weird things on chargers, I'd only have them on a charger if I had not been using the car for a while. So, perhaps it goes to the same issue. Once they get to a certain level, they don't seem to want to recharge like non-Optima batteries. On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Gary Winblad wrote: > Optimas may work ok in an old car like a Tiger, but.. > I put one in my 1999 Corvette that always has a small drain from the > computers and stuff. I went on vacation for 2 weeks and when I got > back not only was the Optima dead but it permanently ruined it. > I was a red top, yeah I should have bought a yellow top.. or disconnected > it.. > Considering it cost 2-3X what a normal battery cost, I was not impressed! > So what it you can mount it on its side, are you really going to do that? > Gary > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 00:17:27 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Optima Batteries > > Any specific way to charge them if they get low? > > > In a message dated 4/23/2013 4:40:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > chris@cthompson.net writes: > > Optima and Interstate batteries are apples and oranges. > > I've had an Optima in my Tiger for over ten years, as well as in all my > other classic cars. Not only do they not out-gas or spill causing > corrosion, they tolerate a deep discharge much better.... > > Very non-stock however, and a good bit pricey. But my local Advance > Auto will match any price I find on the interweb.... > > Chris > B382000331 > > On 4/23/2013 7:27 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > > While I don't disagree that I've heard the same, I've also heard that > the > > quality went down for awhile there, which may or may not have been > fixed. > > > > In my experience, the Optima batteries do weird things on the chargers. > I > > don't know if that means there is something already wrong with the > battery, > > and it's too late. Or, if that means they have issues with the > chargers. > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Tom Parker > wrote: > > > >> When I bought my Tiger, way back in the late seventies, it had already > had > >> a hard life. Besides body damage on the passenger side there was a huge > >> hole in the boot floor, the result of a battery spill. It took decades > >> before I had the wherewithal to have the body repaired. One decision - > >> after the boot floor went in an Optima battery found its way onto the > >> battery base pad. No more spills, if I can believe the hype; gel > batteries > >> don't do that. I've seen them mounted on the side in newer cars where > space > >> is at a premium. > >> > >> I hope I never have to find out if the battery is really "spill proof." > I > >> can say that the Optima I have holds a charge over long periods of > sitting, > >> and has had no problem getting the engine running and the lights on. > >> > >> Tom > >> '67 mark 2 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 18:39:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC564054E for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f51.google.com (mail-vb0-f51.google.com [209.85.212.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E736C4041C for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id x19so1157976vbf.24 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:35:57 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ZPWf0o0f3/nf6efHtN9+rMnwccniAnmHEFOZI0IaSsY=; b=Oj5HUsHHHElNsNTqvI5nWxq/FdjKbeQkIytwtQnXUK7jDFYOju28NVnDYo2FS5koyM 1sfe41Kk8lW5WnEuxr9PCZTrEYo3xteFATyQefuQ/lIwXXi2v8nJY04SxaHmx58SzM83 BLOmIy3vDYEW6EKwbQcFJ7qpohqmXOjRdC3u+dWaLVsN6aJfcxvWSt874WY1+cSA/Y5Q cY0cnmgopWu2772E+Rij5SSEfMB7PcOQG/ZEI+JMZ+xbLHPwn2RddvP7/jsCdKhKk4Iy hGrf4dd2gzhgI32qooLJSYuX/8pUxkh2CNVq3DuV333edKi6PlTzhmFuHGat6nXr7KVA xelA== a17mr23980261vcm.66.1366763757004; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.40.84 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:35:56 -0700 (PDT) References: <9DDBBBF789B34A4EBB0FEC50BF8F7D31@ronpc1> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:35:56 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Moisture Barrier Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I went to the CAT website and the list shows that the one for clutches is NLA. But, the list looks old. Perhaps it is not a good representation of what is available now. Jay On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Jay > I thought CAT had them in their catalog. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Jay Laifman > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 2:30 PM > To: Tiger's Den > Subject: [Tigers] Moisture Barrier > > > Here is what my dad had in there: > > > http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p542/MASTER-CYLINDER-MOISTURE-BARRIER-(SMA > LL)/product_info.html > > So it may still be out there. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6267 - Release Date: 04/23/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 18:58:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE2D40518 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:58:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DF040425 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:58:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MLQ006SAIN66ZO4@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:57:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <465418584.1224135.1366763486750.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:57:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Optima Batteries Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have 8+ year old "hand me down" batteries on $5 (when on sale) Harbor Freight float chargers. Rarely are the cars started but these old batteries have yet to fail me. Lead acid batteries (gel or liquid) are like house plants. Occasionally they need to be watered (charged) otherwise they slip off to a slow death. The float charger is like dip irrigation. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 19:15:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2AA4042D for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:15:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16714041C for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:15:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BucksLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.229.205]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MLQ009K0JFUJO50@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 20:14:18 -0500 (CDT) From: "Buck Trippel" To: , References: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:14:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Optima Batteries Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I've never had a problem recharging "low" Optimas in the ten plus years I've been using them with the old transformer type chargers. But the new smart electronic chargers sometimes balk. I've heard of people who get around this by charging two batteries at the same time with the second in parallel. As far as the Optima offer to CAT members, Optima wants to promote their batteries while protecting their distributors. This offer was not made to the general public. For this reason, CAT did not post the offer on its web site but only printed it in the recent membership newsletter. I believe that the plan is for CAT to is furnish a membership list to Optima in case membership comes into question. bt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Optima Batteries > Any specific way to charge them if they get low? > > > In a message dated 4/23/2013 4:40:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > chris@cthompson.net writes: > > Optima and Interstate batteries are apples and oranges. > > I've had an Optima in my Tiger for over ten years, as well as in all my > other classic cars. Not only do they not out-gas or spill causing > corrosion, they tolerate a deep discharge much better.... > > Very non-stock however, and a good bit pricey. But my local Advance > Auto will match any price I find on the interweb.... > > Chris > B382000331 > > On 4/23/2013 7:27 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: >> While I don't disagree that I've heard the same, I've also heard that >> the >> quality went down for awhile there, which may or may not have been >> fixed. >> >> In my experience, the Optima batteries do weird things on the chargers. > I >> don't know if that means there is something already wrong with the > battery, >> and it's too late. Or, if that means they have issues with the > chargers. >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Tom Parker > wrote: >> >>> When I bought my Tiger, way back in the late seventies, it had already > had >>> a hard life. Besides body damage on the passenger side there was a huge >>> hole in the boot floor, the result of a battery spill. It took decades >>> before I had the wherewithal to have the body repaired. One decision - >>> after the boot floor went in an Optima battery found its way onto the >>> battery base pad. No more spills, if I can believe the hype; gel > batteries >>> don't do that. I've seen them mounted on the side in newer cars where > space >>> is at a premium. >>> >>> I hope I never have to find out if the battery is really "spill proof." > I >>> can say that the Optima I have holds a charge over long periods of > sitting, >>> and has had no problem getting the engine running and the lights on. >>> >>> Tom >>> '67 mark 2 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 19:25:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D2040537 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:25:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4182E4041C for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BucksLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.229.205]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MLQ00CD3JQOAO9A@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 20:20:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Jay Laifman" , References: <9DDBBBF789B34A4EBB0FEC50BF8F7D31@ronpc1> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:20:46 -0700 Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Moisture Barrier Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, Good seeing you at Woodley! I run them in all of our Tigers. I don't know if CAT currently has them in stock. In the past I've purchased them from CAT, from Ray Hulbert Motorsports or from Pegasus Racing. good luck, Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Laifman" To: Cc: "Tiger's Den" Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Moisture Barrier >I went to the CAT website and the list shows that the one for clutches is > NLA. But, the list looks old. Perhaps it is not a good representation of > what is available now. > > Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 19:30:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1E240546 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:30:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-pocinrl09.gannett.com (ent-pocinrl09.gannett.com [167.8.66.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B0C40425 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:30:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ENT-POCEXHUB06.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.30.0.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-pocinrl09.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7B1EFF39; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ent-mocexhub01.us.ad.gannett.com (172.20.1.86) by ENT-POCEXHUB06.us.ad.gannett.com (172.30.0.75) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.264.0; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:29:25 -0400 Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::5d98:601a:f044:d018]) by ent-mocexhub01.us.ad.gannett.com ([::1]) with mapi; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:29:25 -0400 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Jay Laifman , Tiger's Den Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:29:23 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Moisture Barrier Thread-Index: Ac5AUOFpOB2H7JdXRU2O/sq6zNhTlAAOjSAQ References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Tigers] Moisture Barrier Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net CAT does sell these and they are in stock. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:30 AM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Moisture Barrier Here is what my dad had in there: http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p542/MASTER-CYLINDER-MOISTURE-BARRIER-(SMAL L)/product_info.html So it may still be out there. Jay _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 19:30:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE43F4052F for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:30:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f43.google.com (mail-qe0-f43.google.com [209.85.128.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A3940546 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f43.google.com with SMTP id f6so897680qej.30 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:29:39 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4RmTTsylGlTstFy7PViYqTc5vrQbe5ze3rUs8mTkBuM=; b=r0Kzf7mAZ77j9UeFjPb4vjHmC5ZO1IApRdunxQS0RGxhORIKBeN8+ChIUrOafZZm9P Yrz3TFxhDBpEIRdlue5bbYCyg6JrA0lx5vjb4DtFeZMJW21wpBuJX8Jx2gRocC/q/Mao 4cDc4M0cow+XQ2UKD2d8iF5L4vE5zjcZI1eoyL1U+dZptsq01TLjSXLa1x0pHcua9F+k LjTQTGDxACD+DFFEEx5BDDDR4VaMUdneVvZiW43Ze79PENxxXH3C3G7MD8ZqTFlId2sh ZyaLM2o///5oqSMZ7TIyWUsQNjUvNQbF7J6lb2ehPHQilk8XF3PcormkqhFKLuEGHImM mk0A== g9mr7361374qcy.66.1366766979689; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.120.195 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:29:39 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: LIST TIGER Subject: [Tigers] Charging Optima Batteries Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/517984-how-recharge-deeply-discharged-optima-battery.html Seems to me I read something about this before I bought my Optima. According to the article any battery discharged below @ 10.5 volts is subject to recharge issues. The solution: parallel charging. They're used in new cars where space is an issue. Tom '67 mark 2 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 21:27:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A65F40546 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:27:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-pocinrl09.gannett.com (ent-pocinrl09.gannett.com [167.8.66.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618524042C for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:25:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ENT-POCEXHUB05.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.30.0.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-pocinrl09.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E0FEFF70 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXHC01.us.ad.gannett.com (172.20.1.47) by ENT-POCEXHUB05.us.ad.gannett.com (172.30.0.226) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.264.0; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:24:31 -0400 Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::5d98:601a:f044:d018]) by ENT-MOCEXHC01.us.ad.gannett.com ([172.20.1.47]) with mapi; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:24:30 -0400 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Tiger's Den Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:24:28 -0400 Thread-Topic: C.A.T. Autocross This Saturday! Thread-Index: Ac5AUOFpOB2H7JdXRU2O/sq6zNhTlAASPWiQ References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [Tigers] C.A.T. Autocross This Saturday! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For anyone interested in a fun, non-competitive driving experience, please come out to the C.A.T. Autocross this Saturday, April 27th. It is being held at the Long Beach City College stadium. The stadium is at the intersection of Carson Street and Clark Avenue, one block east of Lakewood Boulevard. Once there turn south on Clark Avenue and look for the, well stadium. It is right there. For those that have visited the Long Beach High Performance Swap Meet, we are at the same location. We have a two tiered pricing system: $35.00 per person gets you four runs ~OR~ $50.00 for UNLIMITED RUNS! Within reason, of course. Do not expect to go out and run hot laps for an hour while everyone wants to go home! All drivers must have a California driver's license, and be at least 18 years of age. This is a work/run event. All drivers must work the course one run group session for each session driven. All participants must attend the driver's meeting. The driver's meeting is at 9:00 am. If you would like to help set up, you're welcome to come early. Since this is a CAT event, we prefer Sunbeam Tigers and Alpines. However, if you can't bring your Sunbeam, or you're a CAT member bringing a friend along with a different make of car, that's fine as long as it's a small sports or compact car. No large (3,500 lb. plus) sedans or high-horse power sports cars (late model Vettes, Vipers, Shelbys etc.) With heavy/high-horse power cars there is the potential of damaging the parking lot surface. If that happens we will lose the college parking lot as a venue to autocross. The Autocross Event Committee has the last say-so on what can or cannot run. Examples: no go-carts, no 4-wheel drive monster trucks, no motorcycles, no heavy or high horse-power cars. If you have any questions about eligibility of your car, please contact one of the members of the Autocross Event Committee, listed below--before you show up and are disappointed for not being able to run. All cars must pass technical inspection and be in sound running order. Tech will check the following items: secured battery, good brake-pedal pressure, good and secure seatbelts, minimum steering wheel play, proper suspension play, and removal of all loose items in the car. There must be two throttle-return springs for cars with carburetors. We will also be looking at your wheels. If we feel you are putting high stress loads on your stock Sunbeam steel wheels, or 45-year-old eight-spoke American magnesiums, we may advise you to make a change to a more reliable aluminum wheel. All drivers and passengers MUST wear a helmet. There will be a few loaner-helmets available. You may run without a roll bar. There will be no trophies or points given at this event. Passengers are welcome, but must be 18 years of age. Driver-instructors will be available for those new to auto-crossing. We want beginners. Think of this as a school, practice, learning environment. There is no food service at the site, so you may want to bring a snack and beverages. It can get hot on the asphalt surface, hydrate! This is a rare opportunity to learn the limitations of your car in a legal, safe environment. Please don't miss this event! If you have any questions, please feel free to call me at: 562-587-1657, or e-mail a response and I will get back to you as soon as possible! Thanks! Jere Teepen _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 05:53:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE4740555 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 05:53:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f181.google.com (mail-qc0-f181.google.com [209.85.216.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F1240405 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 05:50:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id a22so866482qcs.40 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 04:49:32 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:x-gm-message-state; bh=XUD0TjCPbcLLvQxFkUDc6LyVQb8ZPP8eekS7b7xqNPM=; b=UNzK+RUMf3y4q9t4jgUXdaHsIhTayA4mBC3buJFa5xHqVb+kNycap4Ru6pwiA+ws0i LvpidOAoRYFcGe62lGazmGzBAgkpDGnM3LKddcvDttlaUcSTk4fHP//23F+/Bc3FbMKp LlrQD7o7XUNNJaF112MuD6twE2ljZxLikOXJLwmzZ6mZEtNbigI3SAGay3oAhV5JFCm8 CyoXnn7XsNvet7JEt/8Y4M8gxXAi2XkSi+mA2+fopfTkxLvz/lUBWgvGzb/hg5cp5qq1 QHPqwiKMJnTlFOq7Ek7hnuD1VBQg1QPbCFg1K/9wQlpB2rcXhrn+z1U+rFggv2YimEXs 2W1A== ie14mr29568340qab.34.1366804172655; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 04:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.60.20.182] (nc-67-77-142-133.sta.embarqhsd.net. [67.77.142.133]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bt19sm4319182qab.0.2013.04.24.04.49.30 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Apr 2013 04:49:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "H. B. Elam" Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 07:49:30 -0400 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Brake/Clutch moisture barrier Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, others, For both master cylinders, for the past 15 years or so, I have been using small plastic bags. I don't split and some extra shows around each perimeter. Certainly not 100% but it works. Anyone who has had to clean up wheel cylinder and slave oxidation would suggest something as simple and cheap as this solution. Jay, I don't put a slit in them but do leave a bit of slack before tightening the caps. H B Elam _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 06:00:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF174054D for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:00:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm11-vm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9B040405 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:00:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2013 11:59:10 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.117] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2013 11:59:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2013 11:59:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 89825 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2013 11:59:10 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366804750; bh=V7EV9J8h4gzdLbNSXblFalSN5byF0YWECU6lzCxqUyQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CI0ZNVN/aUaqmkjScPe1ENUISureuru5c8sk+cmuwLGAIUBawZDAAD+LcSC/V1hgzBuwGPWUv9eChAJio/F6nLXyPfV0xeWyjM68XrR8slrKdJGOm1ghCP4Oznb4RT7zlAws43/B7sI0KAJcvCEO6RVasyYNvRfuyxnoyDoP4zg= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qlVH/2RtR8HBiYiShC0x2ERxbtBoZY30OEoA3bZIqREjVctvbl7V0OnUyc593UquJZKjs15URq6DMyDnOL1YwidmwJWKOJz00yiML94oWvTePH1/S/7Cj2JclmLJWdB/nGyf8drkqAWL4EXSF6vkHg6mlYduYZmu4GbGC9YkYWM=; _ecqJolbRV.F1L8ZpoRByHqPzb6Mqz1guk1dg6VUAAyNefJuuPDovrJLVoOv 6_nMX3W0a6liMpRjDMvB_NAK3.mgsk6mmTzhpYRhwe4Nf50sI4ilBUiXSqqD qTJqHI2mF3R8ApEyiSjFYwROeE3kcP2dYpiGiYgqEcJGIYjg9Rftu9Nuw7pn ERvIYlRQM0wvef.BSfb7k_GYLCcfpJkjojpDScc.iR4yLIGlcrPZrm_.6fbo Jan_pdNuoZOboyozC2Tv3aWrAZl45iOQW1uJ6HTsZ3HD_UDrl7e6EwpfRnBj QBWP.Vs0Pe06_VyeycResyu6tNW_PkeVatxtvqikaRudAbZMdI_Y0UGU6RMH QW54pIbj0DsdK8As_3POqzAoEabkFXtv1C12HTdKk3BAFf74ttrEVHWjUJ3f pSHWVRejxb12sAhQfK5JRdy5_N3UV6IYr5IikaIkNQIZdIxvrBHsw8o3qqbT Rg2j_fLoxrfMITsFtvUaykLsmYgCqJ_BfAel_YIyKna8XGmsMVKHVaElmcXR yfaZZOLa6PULzh9nMilgeKYv_UQY3p6lOnEUffytW Received: from [184.21.37.243] by web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 04:59:09 PDT SSB1c2UgZG90IDUgc2lsaWNvbmUgYnJha2UgZmx1aWQuwqDCoMKgwqAgLsKgwqAgSSBuZWVkIG5vIG1vaXN0dXJlIGJhcnJpZXIuwqDCoMKgwqDCoCB0cnkgaXQuLi4uLi7CoMKgwqAgZ2FyeSzCoMKgwqDCoMKgIEI5NDcyMjgzwqDCoMKgIHNpbmNlwqAgMTk4Ni4uLi4NCg0KLS0tIE9uIFdlZCwgNC8yNC8xMywgSC4gQi4gRWxhbSA8aGFycnliQGVsYW1zLm9yZz4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCkZyb206IEguIEIuIEVsYW0gPGhhcnJ5YkBlbGFtcy5vcmc.DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBbVGlnZXJzXSBCcmFrZS9DbHV0Y2ggbW9pc3QBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 04:59:09 -0700 (PDT) From: arado7@sbcglobal.net To: "H. B. Elam" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake/Clutch moisture barrier Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I use dot 5 silicone brake fluid. . I need no moisture barrier. try it...... gary, B9472283 since 1986.... --- On Wed, 4/24/13, H. B. Elam wrote: From: H. B. Elam Subject: [Tigers] Brake/Clutch moisture barrier To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 11:49 AM Jay, others, For both master cylinders, for the past 15 years or so, I have been using small plastic bags. I don't split and some extra shows around each perimeter. Certainly not 100% but it works. Anyone who has had to clean up wheel cylinder and slave oxidation would suggest something as simple and cheap as this solution. Jay, I don't put a slit in them but do leave a bit of slack before tightening the caps. H B Elam _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 06:44:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1675406AE for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:44:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD7A40448 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:44:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.56] by nm29.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2013 12:43:24 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.194] by tm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2013 12:43:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2013 12:43:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 7517 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2013 12:43:24 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366807404; bh=d7OA81RflIaExBqyFXr0bQOmOmK9Zq9CO8UrMGwZZxM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OeyxO8PUqwHYJNQwTEHDjQjCpyTl4sH6j9hDp2gUOjuVuRg3160U0ozM4J0MR++8Yty0R0CtfTMk82+P3jb65EVAOaF2bCklBzbsYjAkff9c52SLjFAQdLz9OG7qIUk4eKIQp/CO3sZW8UT0bMR/f3oqUsllDLDxTPSI4uUQFNQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5xBZIxkmeBSpG4qbqacDIProhQym01Rk16A+nt9qUYyi7uHSbkls+HwGhOK1gs499jp/M3FJmAsLRjDPwrtH4F2Ygd9mmXtCu9xrKzqkALqDSNjO+hp8sgE2H3Nbhti41LgalRjdYqrC/hzxeMjY6NFtF4mf8ADKvdoggQBNwyY=; UyiDsa9Y7M28X6fEgKu23D6omeatU8WqLLvVyt1W_IqSLPIvXjoRwmeCPTJq RGL3M38Zt31i8Pg4reNfTFJgsKM6TJhr2.UjFWpsfhipNJCe7qjBSW1xLio. pKcgljRRj5MQOYbjYYdmp5w80PEeDY0bg3YLHrea7JOwndCfGMJPAtZ_y0x0 VOgqTNEP7cSwr0YIKOsjq8f2SP2wilHu5ZryqajApxQYVlP5GBv5.MJtE1ou LmL4O58ief7VRAF9tzkhQVFimFPO71vzwUbhAPS3I3vIsFJF2xpXQVHUTR8N F71lMv241ACFIGiYtDwUpIr8wVr5riU8Yd.FM4X4pH9OLpdCvtffweHEK_Ae L9hHtsZ97FhIcaM8hitEOLxmad1JzEPIYBCYGxeSbCdNWRei0134x.7MujpT ppMktdpna8NGCRaOLP4Fci9ehcoA2oW.tgbi97IVLlMDMnQ2r..28_kCcoqH fHg-- Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 05:43:24 PDT QWxsDQrCoA0KVGhlIEZvcmQgOTAgZGVncmVlIG9pbCBmaWx0ZXIgYWRhcHRlciB3aWxsIG5vdCB3b3JrIHdpdGggU1MgaGVhZGVycyB3aXRob3V0IGFib3V0IDUwJWRpcHBsaW5nIGFuZFxvciBncmluZGluZyBkb3duIHRoZSBjb3JuZXIgb2YgdGhlIGFkYXB0ZXIgb2YgdGhlIGZpcnN0IGhlYWRlciB0dWJlIGFuZCB0aGVuIHVzaW5nIGEgc2hvcnR5IG9pbCBmaWx0ZXIsIHdoaWNoIEkgZG8gbm90IGxpa2UgdG8gdXNlLg0KwqANClNvLCBiYWNrIHRvIHRoZSBzdG9jayBvaWwgZmlsdGVyIHNldHVwLCB3aGljaCABMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 05:43:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Adapter Color Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net All The Ford 90 degree oil filter adapter will not work with SS headers without about 50%dippling and\or grinding down the corner of the adapter of the first header tube and then using a shorty oil filter, which I do not like to use. So, back to the stock oil filter setup, which was my preference but I was swayed by local influences. My question is - the stock adapter that bolts to the block and the 2 hoses coming out of it - is it suppose to be engine color or natural or what? Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 15:29:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD92840EBF for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:29:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DBB403D4 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:16:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Cobra (173-228-106-127.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.106.127]) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with SMTP id r3OLFaj7003174 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:15:36 -0700 From: "csx2282" To: "tigers" Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:15:31 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] My Opima Experience Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My car is only driven a few hundred miles a year, so it spends a lot of time sitting in the garage. Over the decades I've gone through lots of batteries. Typically they lasted maybe two to three years. After reading some rave reviews about Optima batteries on a couple of car lists, I decided to give one a try. I don't recall how many years ago that was, but it was at least ten. I was immediately impressed by the greatly increased starter cranking speed. This has been true every time I driven the car since. One day a couple of years after purchasing the battery, I tried starting the car and nada! No solenoid clicks, nothing. The instruments were dead as were the lights. I checked the voltage across the battery terminals and it was well under 5V. I disconnected it and re-measured. Only a very slight increase. Next I checked the resistance between the positive cable terminal and ground. It was a few ohms. After a bit of detective work, I traced the problem to the voltage regulator. I had replaced the original electrical-mechanical regulator with a solid state unit a few years prior to this. The solid state one had developed a short which had caused the battery to drain. In hopes the battery was salvageable, I posted my experience on a local car list asking for opinions on this. The unanimous consensus was that the battery was a goner. Don't even try recharging it because I'd probably destroy my charger. Toss it and get a replacement. But I had this trickle charger I had bought for some ridiculously low price at a White Front store back in the early '70s, so I figured, what the heck if I zapped it. I connected it up to the battery and let it set for a few hours. When I checked, the charger was too hot to touch, but the red charging light on it was still lit. I checked the battery voltage and it was up a few volts, so I just let it go. It was a cyclic thing over several days. The charger had a circuit breaker that tripped a few times. I just let it cool off, reset the breaker then reconnected it. Each time the battery voltage was up 2 or 3 volts, and held steady while the charger was disconnected. Finally the charger did die, but by then the battery voltage was well above, 11 volts so I reconnected the car's terminal, since I had already installed a new electrical-mechanical voltage regulator. I was able to get the car started, so I drove it around for a while to allow the alternator to fully charge the battery. When I finally parked, the battery voltage was well over 12 volts. That was at least 8 years ago and since then the battery has been just like the day I first installed it. My Optima is a Red Top and was purchased at a local Pep Boys auto Parts store. Since my car has no accessories, it's perfectly adequate. If you have A/C and or lots of accessories, I would recommend the higher capacity Yellow Top. I have also heard in recent years that Optima's quality has declined, but I can't personally address that. Roland _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 11:17:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748AF42538 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:17:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7E84041F for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:17:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UH1o1l0010bG4ec57HGE9e; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:16:14 +0000 Received: from sz0112.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UHGE1l00f2xV5no3PHGEEP; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:16:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:16:14 +0000 (UTC) From: George Re To: Tigers s=q20121106; t=1366910174; bh=WQ94T0nUKQMIyX2bWa1fWxIQ9Bgyczcx+M41rOVk4JE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=gwTVl9pxQ9P3bM71p/rynHLFXthorgjs/OKYlIrnGZUOuDXzi51qPSRdV2UB8TlGb kaiSdXIaZOS90vlT5Ncz4IV2mSJLqEGUNx3f2IZPziSJ3s6sW1K4xdBplXGv5W6dX9 HfAB/jkq6Ptl4uYTglUzTeAZ6dV9AwzkeQpknezcLVa5SUx+e5DihH5GqvUX1aeoJr LH4NjcNg4ASNkxokS2TsEHHvHnfUHoJwVPjFYMtrlDiuoSxEgqPfLzAlHLdZsMTiUq nyEYnut7t9GLuviETU6uOdni9nIFZ9ejEdZzlUZ+HisAQz3TFsT9HvQpAiE8JTcxz7 6txg1qxJOCVuA== Subject: [Tigers] Water Sensor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Guys. My question this time is where do you put the temp. sensor when you do not have a water plate under the carb?. I know this has happened to some one else before and there must be a a different way to route the hoses. If anyone knows please let me know. Thanks Again George Re _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 11:32:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97210424C6 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:32:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4DF403FC for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:32:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r3PHHsuQ006476; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:30:53 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b388) id dm0219.5171a5bd.d273c; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:30:52 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'George Re'" , "'Tigers'" Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:30:45 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5B2KNfAoDakIcAQ32PoeykE+/jiAAACkAw engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-25_05:2013-04-25,2013-04-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304250145 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Sensor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net George Do you have the MK I temp sender housing with 3 hose ports? I ran a hose from the MK I temp sender housing around and below the carb to the "T" fitting at the heater core hose. Original Spacer plate part # - C2AZ-9A589-H in case your looking for one of these spacers. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Re Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:16 PM To: Tigers Subject: [Tigers] Water Sensor Hi Guys. My question this time is where do you put the temp. sensor when you do not have a water plate under the carb?. I know this has happened to some one else before and there must be a a different way to route the hoses. If anyone knows please let me know. Thanks Again George Re _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6272 - Release Date: 04/25/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 20:47:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B8A42874 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 20:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f173.google.com (mail-pd0-f173.google.com [209.85.192.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311B7425BA for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 20:37:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f173.google.com with SMTP id v14so1402160pde.18 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:35:57 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=ItCXgniIey1QEa/clcAZpDqv3c7fe7yBUvvGC8YrMCk=; b=eXQqI351qSOy+onrvfy83W0U4IipLCfs2sPzwQb80tuzJvsokXLMWTOZRdGHJIOYrw dzj9EAJYgnOvJPbxl6rE01na22pTEzbL5TZH6ZeMn6Ztg6lq0zHLr7x8huNn6V3p2xQV PGKkMM7BFE/qPYvNSjetoiINmcNDU+X1eu5M/RiujrdP2euL+gYgOyOq5TOva+kpd2xc t4/l2gEMql/8s58rd6RWm20QxZGk+DbZ6M1khQ9JH0oRIqt+19VqEDPk+qcnlMfh1Pg4 kdXauexctDtdN/W6JY9YzbprPwg+zBaPQ4XvQE1FsG3JYysirzFqJ0wQ6ndT8KLzRlO5 2pDA== Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id em2sm13938980pbb.0.2013.04.26.19.35.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:35:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:35:53 -0700 To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Clutch rebuild kit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I got the rebuild kits for the master and slave from Rick. There is an extra rubber piece in the master kit that I don't know where it goes. There was the dust cap. There was the seal that goes into the piston. There is the small seal that goes under the plastic part at the end of the rod attached to the piston. I got all those. But there is one more rubber ring. It is bevelled. I have no idea where it goes. It's not on the car, and I don't recall one like it on previous masters that I've rebuilt. It is about big enough to go around the end of the plunger, between the plunger and the plate that holds the plunger in. But, that doesn't really make sense - unless just one more possible dust seal. I have a picture I can email if it would help. Thanks, _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 27 11:15:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007C64289C for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 11:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A515A40535 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 11:08:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2013 17:07:18 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.164] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2013 17:07:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2013 17:07:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 83000 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2013 17:07:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367082437; bh=7RarWPfpemzh3qChzinvdZhD+yAaBoO5xF28EHZu4Mw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eaSpPg+4yqAsnyivAMsWs8LKOMgIhXMuN2W6gwfv9xEjswVyc05FIO6niHC37HNyveMBwCwst/6QDiFx3C1o29RKBTOrkb0CyZD2xIScskOq1UKPO9TPCcgJmcOw0C6HMhIUS2a05Wnc7JSfU0ggcLUITTyVRYiXGW4eb/rNtZ4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MEOrwPdU31ARNzgVcHL+DVBOvZz3aFfSPldT/6X3uFmKk5cBi8mXQoLxXo4xVdG0B9hrUIyv5fqU6e26RNI5TChJWErBO/o5GMiSTfDL/LrtHUehkr0rzTq5A83U0HSfoxGOBk8767mIkO89DUaqjg72RcoCbIXmOHqUuc3x6Nk=; gswJwleoKtN1CelFncWJB9i_clwHLiglWz27jtREEaqjp22.DJaATipVweIx .KKO.rMKBnhw6oDaQPg69fAVngNQYYNCaBjafuR21O08GS8Koq.CEenHq6GA ajMu_WPt4GCu6XVe4oC2oFN534M6VDRyKdm_u7ruesVhUFU6jiifzyWY11PJ S9XjYdrPMkvYeu86tiQwZveJgIU7szSkb.NLSRtWIlAyi7kB8AsuNiS6SBKi hjScR6VbnKfAVWL0tiyk6U5LeQpCf.7AhGm9BP_elMrmHKfDLID2b14LrSGT I0GKnAvUWJCDmdvnCzGpojN0oBNxphaY.kSkgKISvE98NXYReqr3SbS8OMAY 7zVUDuOpDJB5bL3pbfiYHLq0XUw2ptu4sr4fmfRZb3bMO15pTX8ydMGO.n8j m6MhVu0ha3eK75FS1e3MJFesl2pEJ7x2qZH6hHpIiHJgfN6v3NpxMwfcxEgF B Received: from [174.238.32.59] by web121905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 10:07:17 PDT Q2FuIGFueW9uZSB3aXRoIGFjY2VzcyB0byB0aGUgU2hlbGJ5IFJlZ2lzdHJ5IG9yIG90aGVyIENvYnJhIGluc2lnaHRzLCBwYXNzIG9uIGluc2lkZXIgaW5mbyBtb3JlIHRoYW4gaXMgaW4gdGhlIGF1Y3Rpb24gZGV0YWlscyBvbiBDU1ggMjEyMSBvciBDU1ggMjMzMi4gQSBmcmllbmQgaXMgbG9va2luZy4gSSB0b2xkIGhpbSBzYXZlIGEgZmV3ICQxMDBrIGFuZCBidXkgbXkgVGlnZXIsIGJ1dCBoZSB3YW50cyBhIDI4OSBDb2JyYS4gwqA7KQrCoAoKU3RlcGhlbiBXYXlicmlnaHQKCjU4NS05MDUtNTg0MiAobSkBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 10:07:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Waybright To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Today's RM auction w/ 289 Cobras Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Can anyone with access to the Shelby Registry or other Cobra insights, pass on insider info more than is in the auction details on CSX 2121 or CSX 2332. A friend is looking. I told him save a few $100k and buy my Tiger, but he wants a 289 Cobra. ;) Stephen Waybright 585-905-5842 (m) | 281-259-3899 (h) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 27 11:34:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6F0428EB for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 11:34:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4E940526 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 11:34:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id fm20so25279lab.27 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 10:33:24 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=0jYxpFT/vNP8I3z1wh3K7zMmhFqMgOpb55IGPtSNR6s=; b=nWRJHvrz5WPS5SWsUkftrEF25EV+XXX7u1v0JyqfmQbyiK4yfphybjDqIjJzcwtpV4 MqohX504X3oHhl48zPGPSQLc2Wxab/+vLS5JFEBJngLwUdHykZ25Ibe9dewIV7n9zny+ YwzL8pS0SROAW1Qa4UjLzseV53kyn0WjuaQ1H9JlOawohOeS52lDzGWWMzGM5BAEu/8l 52xwwUDKAvoROgSiQfmanuDNXWlpu1sw3GNkeGLSh/86oEyzbPlebvM3ZImCAxFmeFdU YaZHJsh7BMBbDa0e28Kbo+59Jn4pd8H1kJ0sqQsgNsu17b0AiUhA40J+m6LWE7jgWtP/ Umyg== zv1mr23856437lbb.25.1367084004761; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 10:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.74.39 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 10:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.74.39 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 10:33:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <1367082437.78515.YahooMailNeo@web121905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 13:33:23 -0400 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: Stephen Waybright Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Today's RM auction w/ 289 Cobras Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net More like save 500-700k in the market today for a well sorted 289 . Slab sides are esp hot right now. I have a friend with a black factory equipped 289 w/2x4 slab side for sale, concours condition. Michael Shortt On Apr 27, 2013 1:14 PM, "Stephen Waybright" wrote: > Can anyone with access to the Shelby Registry or other Cobra insights, > pass on > insider info more than is in the auction details on CSX 2121 or CSX 2332. A > friend is looking. I told him save a few $100k and buy my Tiger, but he > wants > a 289 Cobra. ;) > > > Stephen Waybright > > 585-905-5842 (m) | 281-259-3899 (h) > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 27 13:48:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C6F426BE for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 13:48:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE19426BE for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 13:38:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r3RGFaXo003128; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:16:22 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189242) id dm0219.5171a5bd.129e4c; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:16:17 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jay Laifman'" , "'Tiger's Den'" Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 12:16:07 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5C8VrnVX9gLR7DQwmxE+ThU6MQ0AAcNcMg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-27_06:2013-04-26,2013-04-27,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304270150 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch rebuild kit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay The first possibility is that the rebuild kit is becoming more generic and contains extra parts. 2nd is the rubber ring big enough that it might be the seal for the reservoir cap. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:36 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Clutch rebuild kit I got the rebuild kits for the master and slave from Rick. There is an extra rubber piece in the master kit that I don't know where it goes. There was the dust cap. There was the seal that goes into the piston. There is the small seal that goes under the plastic part at the end of the rod attached to the piston. I got all those. But there is one more rubber ring. It is bevelled. I have no idea where it goes. It's not on the car, and I don't recall one like it on previous masters that I've rebuilt. It is about big enough to go around the end of the plunger, between the plunger and the plate that holds the plunger in. But, that doesn't really make sense - unless just one more possible dust seal. I have a picture I can email if it would help. Thanks, _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 27 14:19:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A2E42999 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:19:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 597C9426BE for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:18:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.55] by nm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2013 20:17:25 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.199] by tm15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2013 20:17:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2013 20:17:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367093845; bh=5SRY4Rna62u5pHVFfNVJN4MNj0vjqwVkCd829AhAKdA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sbP+ejb0y+GHXC5DeW82vUSOb+LIHjUlwuG/gIsAWNM4ihXA5ohx7GyiRNnGI129eVC0Vd2YK7vHnL/4UjMoAxAyLTIJvKCqMdpvZGUlEdgTAZnM7ZfTzhp6hxAfpbyti0DB1OxC7oczZufsl9Z6YeAKrh56kkidXxCrr1mJRzM= z18d5NSBQVW8oAbBzMTZQo5bG.B4WY7y.QcKdnCet77M43PDlAwHG9ICYGXu Mu6md0EzJucTjGJKE2w18GtaSCnl8v1JNLWqkOwI0PLrVHoTCDvpQtBdQZAL LVNgPPoilyf8bCciGchIuJunmHZMuviT8K_8TGRWxpvLAWA3ZM6VJnz_GwLC s6OrHmsNjiph7pvUeEQAkQe8qmDqzLHuXF99ZMlhrhMdis2mJHNGoMIY3.G1 S8u6JWxePPuepW0CfAjTt9ChgdPMudI_XYYs8RQuEVvkg5xP407J9mf9IbIg BBwgUAcI5c89S8eQ0HhOwdZ8vGtTJ3ASlPRUHpXn2zR0OYZkoyHC5dqggPZ2 Tt_dWCbEZHpx1pM3omPh07ZzHxKTRu6vjuX0g.G1HbJ7lH_CsqfLTkU5auIt vOvMQLs.bf8Xdde2TQtWCsjz55Y6Rnrk7VhBXuMyMw.2Fne4SCk7X67hQ5_J QMwxllQ-- by smtp210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2013 13:17:25 -0700 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:17:39 -0500 From: TtT To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, 'Jay Laifman' , 'Tiger's Den' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch rebuild kit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay. not a saying this is one of those times but often one kit may fit more than one application and contain parts not used on all cars. I wouldn't say this is the case but a call to Rick will tell you for certain.Cheers , TtT!!! Sent from Huawei Mobile Ron Fraser wrote: >Jay > The first possibility is that the rebuild kit is becoming more >generic and contains extra parts. > >2nd is the rubber ring big enough that it might be the seal for the >reservoir cap. > >Ron Fraser > >-----Original Message----- >From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >On Behalf Of Jay Laifman >Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:36 PM >To: Tiger's Den >Subject: [Tigers] Clutch rebuild kit > > >I got the rebuild kits for the master and slave from Rick. There is an >extra rubber piece in the master kit that I don't know where it goes. There >was the dust cap. There was the seal that goes into the piston. There is >the small seal that goes under the plastic part at the end of the rod >attached to the piston. I got all those. But there is one more rubber >ring. It is bevelled. I have no idea where it goes. It's not on the car, >and I don't recall one like it on previous masters that I've rebuilt. It is >about big enough to go around the end of the plunger, between the plunger >and the plate that holds the plunger in. But, that doesn't really make >sense - unless just one more possible dust seal. > >I have a picture I can email if it would help. > >Thanks, >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 27 15:50:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E7D4299B for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:50:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com (mail-ve0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83FF426BE; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:44:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id cz11so2350684veb.7 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:42:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=8eWPrWbbO6ZUJ0K1tW8mQS9yH+EEc4LDeJa+riG6dls=; b=jSx61Fzd6BuP6BCvX/OplyIZQZHrgcUffAqst5TwsjzAvdU1SyrZtybpHlDtOj0tKe IKskCGWi0re89HssucO5LUA8qz3G2YNV1hgVVi/3cf5a3NUJUXCwoYCsRjllvzetJS/v 347zMchbnkaxrdDqjawmyANPqJjSjExcl4QtXg3foF2xkrYEjo6NEN7fb3z/DVzuyREy KkmUuEBfbQ/EFhOPlmg7ImfqurLxcp+NVL8i4zmJejCBVZ15qaOtIXOe/A2pLRo45ZQV eLCWrLW7w+AtepK5SSd1BE5qNnImKBCTkNsVFjl6MBwnA57fklW74sZ52ilYoLJSfyLo 7biQ== Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.143.80 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:42:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <517C24C8.1070607@bradakis.com> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:42:53 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: Alpines , Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Nice cars! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net interesting - where is that? there is an MG ZTT 260 V8 there by the look of it. one of 200 wagons made. I have one. but as far as i'm aware there is only one in the US. On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > http://www.team.net/forums/**viewtopic.php?f=17&t=151 > > mjb. > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/owain.lloyd@** > gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 27 16:04:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2893429A3 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:04:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3215E426BE; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:56:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE01CA07E6; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:57:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:57:14 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Tiger List , Alpines References: <517C24C8.1070607@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Nice cars! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Owain Lloyd wrote: > interesting - where is that? there is an MG ZTT 260 V8 there by the > look of it. one of 200 wagons made. I have one. but as far as i'm > aware there is only one in the US. > All I know is that it is somewhere in Australia, a local Sunbeam owner forwarded it to me. mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 27 16:05:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C9A429AC for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:05:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F74C426BE for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:03:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0FA5E700210C0 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 18:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlc002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.208]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DC2A7E000086 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 18:02:04 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 18:02:04 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1367100125; bh=Y9ISC7lZkgMMh6L+nNEKEgU8MfNp71xEI7lUwhADVAo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vxUcYdsIaJumrLrSEwJllWyTyqwlHfBpnC1FmbvcDhu1yUwqE27nGM7AlmLu1if2d sGZ2qPoBXRV6v8LqhmmMPb0NnxFv/xfXkLjm+PdtefxMk0ZKDCynKkTvwP9fu0JwS5 2h86oNsLjz6gb0zMnjzscfXEKJ+YUVjLXzaeAIdo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2909517c4adc3a45 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk seal install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have a trunk seal to install. I've had it hanging around for 10-15 yrs. in a box. Still soft, but I'm sure natural aging has affected the surface. The questions are: what should be done to prep the rubber? What should be done to prep the metal of the car? What is the best brand of adhesive on the market? Thanks, Mark L _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 27 18:08:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7BA429AE for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 18:08:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E04042458; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 18:07:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id c12so6255223ieb.3 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:05:43 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=KbshWCyxpICtCvFZvNPqj/MujtMttaJnVbV+Z4ky0NE=; b=e7+gFIyLB3E/yNoIMiAg4KxA3WNsJwcBQ59t6QZ9ula8eA0vqYeSPxATD4XncBAGKh jHiZ+f7suACFSxwxhUI3ldgDsu0V8FUp9i1EvrWS4QSKibGWBYrgEBPTIuOPXbE8Iuj4 RwizbqZOzyM5PXIXR0or28kQF4BHU0AzF4z1SZRkpI32a9jL52XlEeDIJLAW4ZFHQcmG sgI/5t5ozsVMC2UvfyfpCtMFtKfsySz6bT1kcYbYMmKKo2HEhsOE1EjHmmqGncXggv2M V6oSsp8RqxmG0QEXm46wkQCUMkWMrihjHVXtuyiXPiwYT0BvoIAUcGxoaQPZQp2UN1oh wJnQ== c5mr26817659ici.41.1367107543080; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.5.73 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:05:42 -0700 (PDT) References: <517C24C8.1070607@bradakis.com> <517C49BA.1070201@bradakis.com> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:05:42 +1000 From: michael king To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: Alpines , Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Nice cars! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mark, Can I ask who sent you the photo? That was the british and european show in Melbourne at flemington last weekend. On 28 April 2013 07:57, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Owain Lloyd wrote: > >> interesting - where is that? there is an MG ZTT 260 V8 there by the look >> of it. one of 200 wagons made. I have one. but as far as i'm aware there >> is only one in the US. >> >> > All I know is that it is somewhere in Australia, a local Sunbeam owner > forwarded it to me. > > > mjb. > > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/tigers/michael.s.king@**gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 27 20:56:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50336429A3 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:56:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6399A4044D for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:51:35 -0600 (MDT) c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1367117406; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=gEvAnokSeuEeZix67k8gTqvsjv4=; b=naM6e9MHTlgE6+DDlpF8ZmERif5saB2YxqWH+edwFaT/nYtF7KdiOubVpmB0F4Qv 4TLr5SaQgJ0bRuA6Grfye4GXctz90y7vyihOxHau0isgZfzO4ikFksOk2zR3N/fi; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=VHR75LDRdwNiv49K1R9BLQ==:17 a=Ok4LUGmDz8AA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=DqcTJwpOYT8A:10 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=HQo4p5FzNq8xaArB0fcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=VHR75LDRdwNiv49K1R9BLQ==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=wseay@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.48.131.223] ([71.48.131.223:26075] helo=xpseay) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPA id 3A/8A-26024-E5E8C715; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 22:50:06 -0400 From: "Will Seay" To: "'Jay Laifman'" , "'Tiger's Den'" References: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 22:50:05 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5C8VpO+/XpIy0IRTKdM3BCbFVXUAAyQBlw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch rebuild kit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, The shop manual has an exploded view of clutch master and slave cylinders, pp C7 in my copy. Maybe you can find where your mystery part goes from that. Will Seay 382001570 wseay@embarqmail.com "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:36 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Clutch rebuild kit I got the rebuild kits for the master and slave from Rick. There is an extra rubber piece in the master kit that I don't know where it goes. There was the dust cap. There was the seal that goes into the piston. There is the small seal that goes under the plastic part at the end of the rod attached to the piston. I got all those. But there is one more rubber ring. It is bevelled. I have no idea where it goes. It's not on the car, and I don't recall one like it on previous masters that I've rebuilt. It is about big enough to go around the end of the plunger, between the plunger and the plate that holds the plunger in. But, that doesn't really make sense - unless just one more possible dust seal. I have a picture I can email if it would help. Thanks, _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 27 21:30:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A36427AA for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 21:30:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f177.google.com (mail-ia0-f177.google.com [209.85.210.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3911240C02; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 21:30:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f177.google.com with SMTP id y26so4774256iab.36 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:28:46 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Zb4oDpgXMx1sa/QMI7d6T8szxfrN5YvmmDLYUugmRiM=; b=m5pyhe4nyg56vgb1yi5MhCmEewUvInXAl+545LBmOsf/ncZ0NgBMemCEjnu3OTrfCX JoBTB0GHk6IdGTwb5FEdreLHuwhyBMxYbdVPAWJ1xsszb3IuKMSgse3/lPAYk3L/hK2e ib55uKpNIP6nT23EecUTm7lr2BcbJIKwGdTamyI8W/RRDYyUjXIq3UZIJ/lXVDfDp3C/ SgSq577fZXAeiUMVkk9C85KMrgoXd115rFMgNSm6fDg3iYu/Wq8mVdWLYtwXB+Ir9qQF czH7oaTzkbsznbB4D8lVm118oXQdVmgOuS7FSy9yuqSC6Km91ST7h/7pVAqFTtAKizmJ /ZFg== vj8mr5081865igb.2.1367119726636; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.5.73 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:28:46 -0700 (PDT) References: <517c5386.2a9d.0@thecia.net> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 13:28:46 +1000 From: michael king To: rande@thecia.net Cc: alpines@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Auto Show - where is that? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Rande, The show was at the Flemington racecourse in North Melbourne, just outside the Melbourne CBD (maybe 5 mins), the show had just over 1100 cars turn up.. and yes the Silver Tiger was mine (as is the SII Alpine with black hardtop and rootes fog lights) There are a bunch of pictures from the show I posted on the CAT forum http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=2083 I was surprised to see that picture Mark linked to.. its a photo i took on the day and must have been lifted from the CAT forum,..I had to be quite "creative" to get the picture... it involved a big green rubbish bin as a step ladder.. then on to the roof of a portable toilet block..... had to be very careful... lots of flex and didnt want to make an unexpected entry into the stalls below. On 28 April 2013 08:39, rande wrote: > Owain, > > Mark already mentioned that it's an Australian show, and I see a banner > from > the Sunbeam Car Club of Victoria, so that may nail down where. If it is > Victoria, > it's north of Melbourne, and you can Google Map that to get the general > area. > > > I noticed a shiny silver Sunbeam roadster in the photo, and if it's close > to > Melbourne, I wonder if that is Michael King's ride? > > One thing that I was glad to see is a healthy number of Alpines at this > show. > I wouldn't mind seeing more of them at the shows and Uniteds here in the > States. > > > Rande Bellman > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 28 04:52:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D04A40323 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 04:52:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ivic0.sogetel.net (pop3.ivic.qc.ca [66.187.114.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF35A4055F for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 04:52:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ip160.125-126-74.sogetel.net ([74.126.125.160] helo=D7F0WHF1) by ivic0.sogetel.net with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UWPBo-0000Nu-4m; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 06:50:40 -0400 From: "denis mercier" To: , "Stephen Waybright" References: <1367082437.78515.YahooMailNeo@web121905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 06:50:26 -0400 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Today's RM auction w/ 289 Cobras Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Guys ! When i was at Auction America last march 23 at Fort Lauderdale there was a CSX4000 serie Cobra who was sold for 94500 plus 10% auction fee. At the same place some years ago there was a 1964 Cobra 289 who was sold for around 585000.00 also a 1965 Cobra 427 sold for 795000.00 At that time Carol Shelby was still alive....... Don't forget at Auction America last march 23 a Tiger MK1A was sold for 56000.00 plus 10% auction fee = 61600.00 Denis. B382000926LRXFE ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: "Stephen Waybright" Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Today's RM auction w/ 289 Cobras > More like save 500-700k in the market today for a well sorted 289 . Slab > sides are esp hot right now. > I have a friend with a black factory equipped 289 w/2x4 slab side for > sale, > concours condition. > > Michael Shortt > On Apr 27, 2013 1:14 PM, "Stephen Waybright" > wrote: > >> Can anyone with access to the Shelby Registry or other Cobra insights, >> pass on >> insider info more than is in the auction details on CSX 2121 or CSX 2332. >> A >> friend is looking. I told him save a few $100k and buy my Tiger, but he >> wants >> a 289 Cobra. ;) >> >> >> Stephen Waybright >> >> 585-905-5842 (m) | 281-259-3899 (h) >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/denismercier@telvic.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 28 11:59:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F204F403FD for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 11:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B421403EE for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 11:59:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004959.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r3SHw437010514; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:58:09 -0700 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0225.5171a5c4.13e4bc; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:57:33 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.146.161]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:57:25 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 13:57:07 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5Dkx+dVNVH5v1zSQyymGK/3M9CFQApTGIg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-28_05:2013-04-26,2013-04-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304280173 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk seal install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mark If the seal has a good deal of mould release on it; that should be cleaned off. I don't think you need to do much else. The seal just pushes onto the trunk metal edge. Find the middle of the seal; start that at the middle of the back edge of the trunk and move around to the bottom of the trunk middle. The ends should be glued to each other. You may have to cut the seal to fit. I'm not sure that you need to glue the seal down but you might want to at the ends. Mine is just pushed on and only once in awhile do I need push one of the ends back on. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 6:02 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Trunk seal install I have a trunk seal to install. I've had it hanging around for 10-15 yrs. in a box. Still soft, but I'm sure natural aging has affected the surface. The questions are: what should be done to prep the rubber? What should be done to prep the metal of the car? What is the best brand of adhesive on the market? Thanks, Mark L _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6275 - Release Date: 04/26/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 28 17:18:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186A3403F0 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:18:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55551403D3 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:15:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DA812700040A3 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mic002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mic002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.104.2]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 857AFE000087 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:13:55 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net From: pldflyer@aol.com Received: from 72.152.216.57 by webmail-d232.sysops.aol.com (149.174.160.236) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:13:55 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:13:55 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1367190835; bh=DHuy5re4Lek20OL70lYplM4KGJxa+0q/3wIwg5XlntA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P4ZTD6swW/blhtLvvd1xnKgR1/fwD1e0+89jt449GyYfHLW/riWVGhVHCzfKkH6Gz Cw4coydhJHb8nqRymaAcubs4ZDAJvbNBOYKzsxdeT4AdkGuMzMxiQ1NJ1JuV+fTGYp WGLlIAmCfFySBV41/FLWSQznpC0GCYT0Z13W/5Ec= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d517dad336ea5 Subject: [Tigers] Lucas gremlins Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Car had been running fine...got in car turned the ignition key on, heard the familiar fuel pump sound but noticed NO red ignition light on! Starts right up but ammeter shows no charge?? Now here is the strange part...turn the lights on while running and the tach goes dead, lights off and tach works!!!!! Has petronics ignition not wired with the ballast, stock generator and voltage regulator. Any ideas before rebuilding generator. I swapped voltage regulators with no change. Patrick Deschner _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 28 17:33:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55584040F for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:33:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-01.shaw.ca (smtp-out-01.shaw.ca [64.59.136.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61CB40333 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:29:19 -0600 (MDT) cv=dWI+KISfqi6yXfbrXJvRDWIsIl/dscdoFNN/P4RSWeA= c=1 sm=1 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=07qYva9XFuPVsmUOanpuKQ==:17 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=vMfZHxutCoxNkifCRWgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.104]) ([184.64.56.176]) by smtp-out-01.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 28 Apr 2013 17:26:19 -0600 References: <8D0127D3075F8FF-187C-2929C@webmail-d232.sysops.aol.com> From: Theo Smit Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:27:45 -0600 To: "pldflyer@aol.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lucas gremlins Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Your gauges are not grounded properly. So, When the lights are off the tach uses the lightbulb filament as its ground path. When you turn on the lights, that 'ground' goes to 12 volts and your tach has nothing left to run on. So check the black daisy-chain wires on all the gauges. They have to actually tie to the chassis somewhere. Then, check all your lighting grounds... Usually the wiring gets gradually worse as an assembly, so if something in the wiring goes awry it's a sign that you should check everything. The non-charging is probably not directly related to the tach behavior... Depending on when the gen was last rebuilt, it's probably time to check it out. Theo On 2013-04-28, at 5:13 PM, pldflyer@aol.com wrote: > Car had been running fine...got in car turned the ignition key on, heard the > familiar fuel pump sound but noticed NO red ignition light on! Starts right up > but ammeter shows no charge?? Now here is the strange part...turn the lights > on while running and the tach goes dead, lights off and tach works!!!!! Has > petronics ignition not wired with the ballast, stock generator and voltage > regulator. Any ideas before rebuilding generator. I swapped voltage regulators > with no change. > > Patrick Deschner > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tsmit@shaw.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 28 17:49:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E37403EA for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:49:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927F4403DB for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:49:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r3SNlLrc027142; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 16:47:34 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189572) id dm0219.5171a5bd.14153d; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 16:47:26 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:47:14 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5EZnWPq4gOzydYTtKlItfl0KZTjgAAwFgg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-28_05:2013-04-26,2013-04-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304280271 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lucas gremlins Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Patrick Tap on the generator with the handle of a big screw driver or lightly with a hammer. If the ammeter shows charging the generator needs to be rebuilt. The brushes are hanging up and are probably nearly worn out. I had several problems with both the voltage regulator and generator that is why I converted to an alternator system. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of pldflyer@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:14 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Lucas gremlins Car had been running fine...got in car turned the ignition key on, heard the familiar fuel pump sound but noticed NO red ignition light on! Starts right up but ammeter shows no charge?? Now here is the strange part...turn the lights on while running and the tach goes dead, lights off and tach works!!!!! Has petronics ignition not wired with the ballast, stock generator and voltage regulator. Any ideas before rebuilding generator. I swapped voltage regulators with no change. Patrick Deschner _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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Appears mine is missing this plate.- was this plate welded or bolted on? Can anyone provide the 'dimenstions', thickness - might have to make one and paint it body color or did the MK 1A regulator bolt elsewhere? What is the correct regulator - 6100047 or C2AF-10505-A - the options I have found are FoMoCo with CATF or FoMoCo with C2DF or Autolite C5AF blue with yellow for generator equiped cars? What is the correct Solenoid C4AF-11450-A or -B?? bakelite finish with FoMoCo logo and 2710966 stamping or FoMoCo logo and brown finish or FoMoCo black logo and 2701966. What is the correct Fuse unit 54038033 with steel connectors or 54038068 with cooper connectors? Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 29 14:54:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6574051D for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:54:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C174043C for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:37:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r3TKVgfE009511; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:35:31 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b0b2) id dm0219.5171a5bd.162924; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:35:29 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:35:25 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5FCDKFq9zSjT2sRpG51QKGiXvhkQADapcg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-29_05:2013-04-29,2013-04-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1304290198 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Today's Issue - voltage Regulator mounting, solenoid & fuse box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel Voltage Regulator Plate - I'm not sure that this part continued through all of the Mk I build. You should see 3 threaded inserts where the VR mounts - the VR can be mounted there with 3 bolts. I have no plate on my Mk Ia. Voltage regulator - Shop Manual lists C2AF-10505-A - black cover with blue printing. This VR is available at the Vintage Mustang or Falcon catalogs as a complete assembly or just the cover if you have a good VR. The C5AF-10316-A voltage regulator is for an alternator Starter relay - it is very possible that several variants of the Ford starter relay were used on the Tiger. Here is some starter relay history. 1960 - into 1965 relays have a brown bakelite housing, fine thread battery cable lugs, all nuts which bear against the housing have an attached lock washer with a beige color sealer beneath, bottom cover without vent and a mounting bracket marked "2701966" at the leading edge. The bracket is stamped in FoMoCo script on all relays until about Jan 1965 when Ford changed to the black housing and FoMoCo block style lettering. For a period of months around the changeover brown and black relays were assembled with script or block letter logo brackets. The black FoMoCo relay was used until late in the 1966 model year when it was replaced by the first Autolite relay. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:32 PM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Today's Issue - voltage Regulator mounting,solenoid & fuse box All 1966 MK 1 A - looks like the voltage regulator mounts to a plate on the drivers side fendor by the bulkhead. Appears mine is missing this plate.- was this plate welded or bolted on? Can anyone provide the 'dimenstions', thickness - might have to make one and paint it body color or did the MK 1A regulator bolt elsewhere? What is the correct regulator - 6100047 or C2AF-10505-A - the options I have found are FoMoCo with CATF or FoMoCo with C2DF or Autolite C5AF blue with yellow for generator equiped cars? What is the correct Solenoid C4AF-11450-A or -B?? bakelite finish with FoMoCo logo and 2710966 stamping or FoMoCo logo and brown finish or FoMoCo black logo and 2701966. What is the correct Fuse unit 54038033 with steel connectors or 54038068 with cooper connectors? Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6282 - Release Date: 04/29/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 09:30:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7534C40560 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:30:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1E8403D9 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:23:43 -0600 (MDT) c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1367335323; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=X3h6FyQaBtFWRbhskdaW4f9po1A=; b=cbg+r6DsKJOG5fOVU2ROYkZ2oV5kdNeF4gb4IqS0hluGNl+DTkOqpWZOdGNibhUV SX+erU4t+OnwxIhjESvN0l5FvClKWvaJC951ISwhypCplt5ZHkC3/o6nbe3ANvZ1; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=VHR75LDRdwNiv49K1R9BLQ==:17 a=2p6aRoNwT-kA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=Jx0qIG8xa6kA:10 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=ZHsQ_XWZ9q0uUh8bpkMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=tqeY2E2qqgpKTnNN:21 a=s9K-1B48liFDDb6b:21 a=VHR75LDRdwNiv49K1R9BLQ==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=wseay@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.48.131.223] ([71.48.131.223:28973] helo=xpseay) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPA id 5B/65-01916-A91EF715; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:22:02 -0400 From: "Will Seay" To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" References: <1367260299.30352.YahooMailClassic@web164701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:22:01 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5FCDMexDlE8hVRSvGz1GqmNLa+kwAq4yHg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Today's Issue - voltage Regulator mounting, solenoid & fuse box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel, There is no mounting plate for the regulator. It mounts directly to the wall of the fender well. Parts manual shows the C2AF-10505-A number. Number on the starter solenoid for my 1A is 2710966. Can't find a part number on my original fuse box. Connectors on the box are tinned brass, probably the same as your P/N 54038033. The tinned brass may look like steel but isn't steel. Hope this helps.. Will Seay 382001570 wseay@embarqmail.com "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:32 PM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Today's Issue - voltage Regulator mounting, solenoid & fuse box All 1966 MK 1 A - looks like the voltage regulator mounts to a plate on the drivers side fendor by the bulkhead. Appears mine is missing this plate.- was this plate welded or bolted on? Can anyone provide the 'dimenstions', thickness - might have to make one and paint it body color or did the MK 1A regulator bolt elsewhere? What is the correct regulator - 6100047 or C2AF-10505-A - the options I have found are FoMoCo with CATF or FoMoCo with C2DF or Autolite C5AF blue with yellow for generator equiped cars? What is the correct Solenoid C4AF-11450-A or -B?? bakelite finish with FoMoCo logo and 2710966 stamping or FoMoCo logo and brown finish or FoMoCo black logo and 2701966. What is the correct Fuse unit 54038033 with steel connectors or 54038068 with cooper connectors? Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 12:03:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD5440E23 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:03:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s12.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s12.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DB140551 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU169-W46 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s12.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:54:22 -0700 From: Brent Edinger To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:54:21 -0700 FILETIME=[BED104D0:01CE45CB] Subject: [Tigers] K&N Airfilter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Does any one have a part number for the K&N air filter with the flow though top (X-Stream they call it) that will fit the Tiger? I see it comes in all sorts of diameters and heights. I'm running a performer 289 and Edelbrock carb and LAT hood. Thanks, Brent _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 13:51:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF22F40E4B for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:51:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 321394056D for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:44:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail55-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.254) by CO1EHSOBE041.bigfish.com (10.243.66.106) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:42:53 +0000 Received: from mail55-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail55-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44430CC03D1; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:42:53 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail55-co1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail55-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail55-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1367350971557141_19616; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS021.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.254]) by mail55-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862258A0056; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CO1EHSMHS021.bigfish.com (10.243.66.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:42:50 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com (10.5.4.104) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:43:03 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.214]) by OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.4.104]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:42:48 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Brent Edinger , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] K&N Airfilter Thread-Index: AQHORczjrjKkB5TB+Eq7yfdxvxmSdJjvKJnw Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:42:47 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] K&N Airfilter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net They only come in a circular form, so I think you'll have to go with the 9" or 11" one and then find a suitable filter and base to go with that. The K&N filter that fits the Tiger air cleaner is originally intended for circular applications (the K&N info lists it by internal and external diameter) and it just happens to be flexible enough so that you can form it to the Tiger air cleaner shape. http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?prod=E-2859 Still, an open-top air cleaner, even in 9", should be quite a bit more effective in overall performance than the OEM filter assembly. Theo ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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[71.15.226.95]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h68sm41048709yhj.24.2013.04.30.12.57.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:57:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "H. B. Elam" Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 15:57:28 -0400 To: "Tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] K&N for Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Brent, The number on mine is A135A8. I use stock air cleaner Holly 4bbl H B Elam B382000471 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 14:21:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA3E40EB6 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:21:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BAF4006F for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:08:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WHay1l0060S2fkCA7L6VWZ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:06:29 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WL6V1l00Y2yr1eL8VL6VUQ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:06:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:06:29 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Brent Edinger s=q20121106; t=1367352389; bh=+TEk2WsZTbk0vw5wmPAh/MyS5q+OZ+Hzb7IgdhA6lnc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=bY8t+XvnCLSwUW8U0HUvWWneraCpUz3qSrVg/zFvW+X8LJ2ahrv4Wb1uP69lg4ubi 9aIvZRcMsfbChczlxlkFVMVNx87nRxM8FSBvwyrchdoQSBBn4sGfAw+/b5ErOBDCdP oxcUDASxapj0C2g87NilDGLIDw6B+uX9FJ09x/AKwZX//4xJyvYa308ntKnuDpsJMa H/H8k2Y/tQiwGhdDjvX/dvEA/4ugTutfH8nwVidKtBl3LzChPx4BG6NNIDNr5k3rsH 5LPy6KN1QwAGeG1OW8S8p3Cax9U0pkhQ9jvagko/ZPiPrIf4lGiZ7fqc20bu6oxEeG eCLrYaSNQg4aA== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] K&N Airfilter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Here is the link to the K&N site and the X-stream tab http://www.knfilters.com/universal/x-stream.htm Looking at the installed height numbers, I think you will have a problem squeezing in one. I also have a LAT factory hood. With the stock filter and housing installed, I put lumps of modeling clay around the sides and front of the factory cleaner top. With a 1.5 inch high filter element, I did not find I had enough extra room. Depending on how high your manifold raises the carb, your results will vary from mine. Keep in mind that unless you are running with the rear of the hood raised, you will need to allow some space for the air to get into the top element. How much to deduct for that is your call. I considered the dropped base option to see if I could make that work. Fort some reason I thought I would not be able to do that, but do not recall why. What I ended up doing doing was making my on lid to use with the stock base and grafted on an 11 inch round X-stream top. When installed, I had about 1/2 inch clearance to the hood at the highest point. The 11 inch lid has an outer ring about 1 inch wide, so the air cleaner element itself is only about 9 inches in diameter. The center section for the hold down bolt is fairly large and also cuts down on the effective filter area. Just for cosmetics I did trim off the metal flange overhang at the front and back. You can do that without getting into the filtering element part. I am currently looking into trimming off the part of the 11 inch lid that overlays the top of the standard filter element. I do end up cutting int the element to do that. I have a plan on how to reseal that cut into part. The goal is to get that to sit down inside the standard element to gain some vertical space for a taller standard element. Since the top 3/8 inch or so of the standard element does not flow air (due to sealing material) I am not really loosing any filtering element area on the standard element. That all is a WIP. I do worry a bit about what would happen to my OEM fiberglass hood if I ever got a back fire through the top of the carb. I plan to some how epoxy on an aluminum plate over the top of the filter element in that area, just to be safe(r). If you learn of a more elegant solution, please be sure to let all of us know. Gene PS: Regarding Theo's speculation about a 9 inch lid possibly working. I have looked at that one as well. Keep in mind that the 1 inch flange cuts the actual element area down to only a 7 inch diameter circle. The center hold down section is about a 2 or 2.5 inch diameter circle. Not a lot of element area left. Probably be better off just getting a 1/2 inch taller round element. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Edinger" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:54:21 PM Subject: [Tigers] K&N Airfilter Does any one have a part number for the K&N air filter with the flow though top (X-Stream they call it) that will fit the Tiger? I see it comes in all sorts of diameters and heights. I'm running a performer 289 and Edelbrock carb and LAT hood. Thanks, Brent _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net