From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 07:03:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11D742A8B for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 07:03:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from am1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (am1ehsobe006.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.209]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97155429A8 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 06:49:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail11-am1-R.bigfish.com (10.3.201.240) by AM1EHSOBE009.bigfish.com (10.3.204.29) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 1 May 2013 12:47:39 +0000 Received: from mail11-am1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail11-am1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532E33E0151 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 12:47:39 +0000 (UTC) IPV:NLI; H:BL2PRD0611HT003.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail11-am1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail11-am1 (MessageSwitch) id 1367412457952249_23927; Wed, 1 May 2013 12:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AM1EHSMHS003.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.201.225]) by mail11-am1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC7132009A for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 12:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BL2PRD0611HT003.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (157.56.240.229) by AM1EHSMHS003.bigfish.com (10.3.207.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 1 May 2013 12:47:34 +0000 Received: from BL2PRD0611MB398.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.4.189]) by BL2PRD0611HT003.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.105.166]) with mapi id 14.16.0305.001; Wed, 1 May 2013 12:47:33 +0000 From: Greg Koss To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Lucas gremlins Thread-Index: AQHORGaFmjp1iPEjZ0Gm0QXNgmCnSJjwSvJw Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 12:47:33 +0000 References: <8D0127D3075F8FF-187C-2929C@webmail-d232.sysops.aol.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [12.174.136.146] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lucas gremlins Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net There is nothing "Lucas" about a Tiger charging system!! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of pldflyer@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:14 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Lucas gremlins Car had been running fine...got in car turned the ignition key on, heard the familiar fuel pump sound but noticed NO red ignition light on! Starts right up but ammeter shows no charge?? Now here is the strange part...turn the lights on while running and the tach goes dead, lights off and tach works!!!!! Has petronics ignition not wired with the ballast, stock generator and voltage regulator. Any ideas before rebuilding generator. I swapped voltage regulators with no change. Patrick Deschner _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/greg.koss@trw.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 14:00:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5D3429BF for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 14:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D7B429BA for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 13:40:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.104] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2013 19:38:41 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.71] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2013 19:38:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2013 19:38:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 17474 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2013 19:38:41 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367437121; bh=0oYKQUVntfs5LSVsDU0SKO6u4ziOi2IWreoq4gleL9c=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Sk+9vqABipV/ZtABB1kGsVGgR3/NUSDub2MNkp3teEobriK7VcV9jv1FRQ4fRW4mRjrdeLze2aZimXkUVnsOL0CV2lTZySHuCpOxy5z6cSznTb+P1ol2MJHuQIlBwMRZQ/EAopBNosRbht5/Dn30tTBP/1pU6hqsr6t9a2T67/Q= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3eUaW0hCechiWinuNwHVUN5MAe+HGM7zEZa0ARbwfb3e9rnv1y9C5N5leZn8+P+adcV3ZhnKuTuD/cGeS3shYWXhfCZg8YwZcGYoLz+RpMh2AxP92TWg8yJ/wJ/Dieou0ubWBWs9mBI38k0GX6XdcwyL+xa2jySsqWRrq0NyHPk=; G0NuM8wQcY35RwWdOl9XkEcAox3_axY4.wf7lPx.ttoMtUM9_ZG9fZC54xfH YhkgsFc2B5qHI2kYf2X8AQ157WpQ9dMgU1TeaP4lm9QxkO5AaYY88fTk70g7 LQotUKw4ro7XtulzbwXfjriiADl6JMUEI1BE37EErzsCGgk0IYqI7y8rXmaI e4s8_RNJwNa745vrqrEMT5b3SlE_O.BtulHWejhXxvYV2ueH_usOlaCvcFpl KPath4X8JqjNNBOmWFAD2HDPtDx3wCtOAHOiwujmgAfCUElsuKRDqwQzmdbM Y09yRaRUHb2H_gArCuvrO9m.gv2cYpPtNsRc2g_QZ1rtrK_i8ympninipq3i HZtwkUpaZrAWO61GyvScPFHdqtu1jh2RAhMqe5Blb._08bAQ4H5MTMZkCjtZ BNCVYf4Swhue5smqiXQJBvKcfLRJqp.NepSEeX3Qg5m7j4gJcI.EP7Y0TWyr B6frMywRAYjfs.ipwvkZ7kHh2cDseR9RB3rvwypXLV6NYQA.IQJN6QBmz1Xd d35YV4i0GfgthgjqEmI9hGeSY2jmHugZuKJwkvV5xaNH_qNHDdg6mTkOpVGz YCwTS31XwG1h5ejJ6sd3z_R6t1tjRbCoDsv8eghhFkyg228akdiEAK2MfED3 QjmhAxPrxqSKJUsoo Received: from [98.208.172.68] by web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 May 2013 12:38:41 PDT Li4uLi4uYW5kIHRoZXJlIGlzIG5vdGhpbmcgY2hhcmdpbmcgaW4gYSBMdWNhcyBzeXN0ZW0gZWl0aGVyLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4NCg0KUGF1bA0KUGF1bCBSIFNoZWFoYW4NCigyMzkpNzMyLTE3MDQgT2ZmaWNlDQooNzA0KTU2NC0zODMxIENlbGwNCg0KLS0tIE9uIFdlZCwgNS8xLzEzLCBHcmVnIEtvc3MgPEdyZWcuS29zc0BUUlcuQ09NPiB3cm90ZToNCg0KDQpGcm9tOiBHcmVnIEtvc3MgPEdyZWcuS29zc0BUUlcuQ09NPg0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFtUaWdlcnNdIEx1Y2FzIGdyZW1saW5zDQpUbzogInQBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 12:38:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul R Sheahan To: "tigers@autox.team.net" , Greg Koss Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lucas gremlins Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ......and there is nothing charging in a Lucas system either................. Paul Paul R Sheahan (239)732-1704 Office (704)564-3831 Cell --- On Wed, 5/1/13, Greg Koss wrote: From: Greg Koss Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lucas gremlins To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 8:47 AM There is nothing "Lucas" about a Tiger charging system!! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of pldflyer@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:14 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Lucas gremlins Car had been running fine...got in car turned the ignition key on, heard the familiar fuel pump sound but noticed NO red ignition light on! Starts right up but ammeter shows no charge?? Now here is the strange part...turn the lights on while running and the tach goes dead, lights off and tach works!!!!! Has petronics ignition not wired with the ballast, stock generator and voltage regulator. Any ideas before rebuilding generator. I swapped voltage regulators with no change. Patrick Deschner _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/greg.koss@trw.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sunbeamtiger@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 15:16:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FA742A73 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 15:16:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og110.obsmtp.com (exprod5og110.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21F840078 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 14:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpmlip14.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.5.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob110.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUYGA0dC7OZpHamsWm9BybeCVbmTN8iNI@postini.com; Wed, 01 May 2013 13:53:38 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO ALPMLEF02.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.18.11]) by alpmlip14.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 01 May 2013 16:53:36 -0400 Received: from cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.213.93]) by ALPMLEF02.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 1 May 2013 16:53:36 -0400 Received: from CINMLCH02.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.51]) by cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 1 May 2013 16:53:35 -0400 Received: from CINMBAPD06.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.45) by CINMLCH02.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Wed, 1 May 2013 16:53:31 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.26]) by CINMBAPD06.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.8.43]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Wed, 1 May 2013 16:53:31 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: Paul R Sheahan , "tigers@autox.team.net" , Greg Koss Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Lucas gremlins Thread-Index: AQHORqZHVwlZf+B+vEeQa7C3Xdzr/5jwy0nA Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 20:53:31 +0000 References: <1367437121.3435.YahooMailClassic@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.186] FILETIME=[F2EC1DD0:01CE46AD] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lucas gremlins Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Come on now Paul, EVERYONE knows that the Ford generator/alternator was painstakingly designed to produce a unique Anglo-American type of smoke that could permeate the Lucas wiring system enough to run the lights and other electrical bits...occasionally. It's smoke is much like Old World English Smoke except that it has an attitude and is often loud and boorish. Bugz "If it wasn't for the Venetians it woulda been curtains for all of you!" -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul R Sheahan Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 3:39 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net; Greg Koss Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lucas gremlins ......and there is nothing charging in a Lucas system either................. Paul Paul R Sheahan (239)732-1704 Office (704)564-3831 Cell --- On Wed, 5/1/13, Greg Koss wrote: From: Greg Koss Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lucas gremlins To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 8:47 AM There is nothing "Lucas" about a Tiger charging system!! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of pldflyer@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:14 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Lucas gremlins Car had been running fine...got in car turned the ignition key on, heard the familiar fuel pump sound but noticed NO red ignition light on! Starts right up but ammeter shows no charge?? Now here is the strange part...turn the lights on while running and the tach goes dead, lights off and tach works!!!!! Has petronics ignition not wired with the ballast, stock generator and voltage regulator. Any ideas before rebuilding generator. I swapped voltage regulators with no change. Patrick Deschner _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/greg.koss@trw.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sunbeamtiger@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark.rense@ge.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 18:33:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8421642AF0 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 18:33:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f45.google.com (mail-qe0-f45.google.com [209.85.128.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FB6429C3 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 18:30:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f45.google.com with SMTP id a11so38724qen.4 for ; Wed, 01 May 2013 17:29:03 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LoUjjxgSQ7YP1PeOZwVaXetdEhDrO3xYLn2bOQ9QybY=; b=gXlH+7OzwDgmAbCeZ531BLnNoO5rMTncbC/mFuIgsaOFWk5nmLrE1yFr6ZeG8NUfQY bdhUwchpZLPaZti7Jml+6H5ohFHghw5Czn+LolGruUeoAGS7ZE+BQCr3pWwVZjXsd2Mw NqgMmS+WmvuLtxp4p0wJavJ0BEOEcRszLwK14ZoY2QGapcfYRYTDkks8wD1SEeD1yKUT fXW/jyEpO9lFptgR3z3WkonygUbe529tABSL9OcQ/UUaSMc1lOqf2BwEpzIP56TKAgQm GSP9wIDk2pzmt5s6lWz8H+eXvdoLHSZMbrbVSnWxyxxWubUsGhF0rwxB5AitdoHcuzus qpVQ== Wed, 01 May 2013 17:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.59.11 with HTTP; Wed, 1 May 2013 17:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 20:29:03 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: LIST TIGER Subject: [Tigers] Lucas Gremlins Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Patrick, A bit late to the party... Look for voltage at the field connector on the generator. If none, check wiring, if voltage (@ 12v) get the generator checked. There may be nothing "Lucas" in the charging system, but they don't call Lucas "the lord of darkness" for nothing. Tom '67 Mark 2 ... with the ever famous 6RA relay between 12v and the alternator. Y'all are havin' way too much fun with this! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 11:09:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A6542B49 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 11:09:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EFF5342AE8 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 10:46:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.57] by nm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2013 16:44:37 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.195] by tm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2013 16:44:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2013 16:44:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 57864 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2013 16:44:37 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367513077; bh=iXnpmmJwlDisUhZR83FCIO5hskDO1Ww6jHW4DQ8I+jU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=A2YXm94LWm03tbhWlJhxQp70FYtBschgFz/wFA6ky9oWbBn9eE0GN1GZHU9lOj/yqScEi0OGvhKxfM/UOglNA2nLNn0ZB2fHZv5a89SSTwnwUBPqUn4rnz9ZiIFXn9Q01Ru1wpy+HqJPI5dkNU9eefrg+JCYUhmTCMKz28GBnac= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MIz9N3UgNmHAyLi14/iE9vyhxi784XedrzzImfnQnF+RoC4daqWymM65WBPcJ13RZJ3f2rcyQmlf4yt3Uw3Sy8vJpTztlSXHxIonkSFAuci+f4cxqeji3w0byQBdbI3zsVPuOofiDNJNVilT3wQUgOqBD8ayWCQ0IIelmszXjXM=; WWMJSkHo_Ht2ajDOL.30LmGENoRr_FBDuZOgUtHxqzq3zk1hx5aXDsgU6vLR kk21n3n9xZLK9hKxobTttTYKmQtEWFsNdaMBZR_atVEWiHjiM2iSUysZd0Uq oIjod6FV2YdobBYHwRP4TAgUPRssM_8yWFXuhgC9bM3.6UFcfZQ7NGUppHgf zBB5lmciF3x4ew39LeqrshAYnSzj.gqQhEv1d2mfGNIJ9mFqVgGbNrvxES4C Vi.7nRQmr6FuWRl6lvq47AVOzOG6YfRsG.qLGKlUr9mrk9dYUrja71dX8njb 87NOE_QRy61wnFvjyrWTeqi3vE6qzQWQOHkcYAK2Rn1gPqy7IszcEa57Hatp 5rKXmilu5sY8y9.LJlg3r8xl2E.z63NX9kyNZ0ERSCD1ZXY3GdLHmKotcQBH PN.6ZL7INjQPbn8d3.hzFMJvpyix9QbmwjGgDHlPrG3QcRmNWBjaaeHffDWo - Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 May 2013 09:44:36 PDT QWxsDQpXaGF0IGNvbG9yIGlzIHRoZSBob29kIGNhdGNoIHRoYXQgZml0cyBpbiB0aGUgaGVhdGVyIGNvcmUgY292ZXIgYW5kIHRoZSBzcHJpbmcgcG9ydGlvbiB0aGF0IGF0dGFjaGVzIHRvIHRoZSBob29kIHN1cHBvc2UgdG8gYmU_DQrCoA0KUGFpbnQgY29sb3IgbnVtYmVycywgaWYgYXBwbGljYXRpYmxlLCB3b3VsZCBiZSBhcHByZWNpYXRlZC4NCsKgDQpTYW5kYmxhc3RlZCBhbmQgcHJpbWVkIHRoZW0gbGFzdCBuaWdodC4NCsKgDQpUaGFua3MgDQpKb2VsIE1hcnRpbgEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 09:44:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Paint colors of hood catch & spring portion Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net All What color is the hood catch that fits in the heater core cover and the spring portion that attaches to the hood suppose to be? Paint color numbers, if applicatible, would be appreciated. Sandblasted and primed them last night. Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 11:41:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B977A42B41 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 11:41:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A562842AE7 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 11:18:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.61] by nm32.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2013 17:16:50 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.243] by tm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2013 17:16:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1051.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2013 17:16:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 88757 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2013 17:16:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367515010; bh=yf2QWCWRmS2rit17riBC5ZXiruS/wqcuWK98GgGa054=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LE6SeKjQL6aBQ3hv+vHk3hv6dpOv0CT2ht2AsmdhqvfB4+CuQSsNtNZDvCM340UDY/0GcZIyEu2IC5dUVYnTDU8eUqtZB32SrPLMcwBZj16tBgKe9+kSN8S9M32Vj9B7rlNsa1KSPculCRbCHE6Ua7hsC84EMcxWQAGL1YXLrUU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CeAHbhVYvt4XuzFYrOYgSikAjy+ZuT8zqz5C4476N0m+DcNnqT5H808eA5hl/J4A+Mo3W68IJw7/hu5oxrOo4/xM/OD64NoZTJL8BAlX6ryEESph16b1E17OAifeyD7Rzj4LlORpNLUjvhCE1/MHfOgktVxfFL7ZtWIb1emFRj8=; kzBH6bokDhtaLB49zjbvibmQ646Gz9UGjaPoYe4oN3KenT0QK6prmbL7KQB6 b64w3QVVcE4.ClRNqp28_sKrJR5zHr.yOo56BPufmdHUoVwG_uar.gpEPhzT D9X1l_.1.eOeyNql5lYmiiGtHLVfnH_nIeNlYw3r7PYeztSYpVuG4lIsoMGE eRzwL5rC5QTUFJT9geL.WO_1yBUD.ReU7YIN0tDQVIv3Y7Q6AKhuR3FmEV5Q RmFve2VASC1bq7k7YlGTOWGouPw6XppMUTtkW767Tb6Tv6mz13jDfEp4Lvnk QIjEgeJXXJN6DKj20luCr97FzJpIf_Rjk75t450s5l9v9SQnolhQkKL7p.a7 H6ALpmjZgGUJm3dDZMzL2z5eKesRThZQsDI.7a2WBiQtlb3tSxue767GPUQU d9lVy6F1rp6.gklWfZ_pM0dR8QbEnoRiAj92Dz8Lb8Bou2LOvB_CNl3mpsPj N Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 May 2013 10:16:50 PDT VGhhbmtzIHRvIGV2ZXJ5b25lIHdobyByZXNwb25kZWQsIGVzcGVjaWFsbHkgdGhlIHBpY3R1cmVzIC0gaXQgaGVscHMgdG8gc2luayBpbnRvIG15IGJyYWluLg0KwqANClRoaXMgaXMgd2hhdCBJIGxlYXJuZWQgZm9yIGEgMTk2NiBNSyAxQToNCsKgDQpWb2x0YWdlIHJlZ3VsYXRvciB3aXRoIGdlbmVyYXRvcjrCoCBCbGFjayBjYXNlIHdpdGggYmx1ZSAnRm9Nb0NvJyBsZXR0ZXJpbmcuwqAgRm9yZCBwYXJ0ICMgQzJBRi0xMDUwNS1BLsKgIE11c3RhbmcgVW5saW1pdGVkIFBhcnQgIzogR1IyNjguDQrCoA0KU3QBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 10:16:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] voltage Regulator mounting, solenoid & fuse box findings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to everyone who responded, especially the pictures - it helps to sink into my brain. This is what I learned for a 1966 MK 1A: Voltage regulator with generator: Black case with blue 'FoMoCo' lettering. Ford part # C2AF-10505-A. Mustang Unlimited Part #: GR268. Starer Solenoid:Ford Part # C4AF-11450-A or B - could never find cross reference for this number. FOMOCO" "block-style" logo, "2701966" stamping, & "bakelite" finish - black. Mustang Unlimited Part #: 11450A Fuse unit 54038033 had steel connectors and 54038068 had copper connectors which I went with due to better electrical connectivity. FYI - SS carries all 3. With you all's help becoming a parts detective. Bleeding dollars badly with no end in sight. Hope to have a start up next week then on to clean up chrome and plating as necessary, under dash components, dash & guages, finish wiring, seat frame clean up & painting (need color), interior, hang doors, trunk & hood, wheels and tires, then alignment. Miles to go before we sleep and maybe get to drive it again someday! Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 11:41:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6629A42B7B for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 11:41:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B846F42AE7 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 11:25:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r42HMrfd013548; Thu, 2 May 2013 10:23:18 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40188c59) id dm0219.5171a5bd.1c1b04; Thu, 2 May 2013 10:23:09 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 13:23:01 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5HV5W5T/AFqoCQQiWWq6hSRps7OgAAfb8g engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-02_07:2013-05-02,2013-05-02,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1305020156 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint colors of hood catch & spring portion Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel I believe they are suppose to be Natural finish. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:45 PM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Paint colors of hood catch & spring portion Question All What color is the hood catch that fits in the heater core cover and the spring portion that attaches to the hood suppose to be? Paint color numbers, if applicatible, would be appreciated. Sandblasted and primed them last night. Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6291 - Release Date: 05/02/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 13:42:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CE442BB7 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 13:42:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B564642B55 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 13:20:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CD3DC700000AB; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlc003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.209]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 723D1E000097; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:18:28 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 15:18:28 -0400 (EDT) To: jmartiniii@yahoo.com, Tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1367522309; bh=vJHCbtwgswFmdOO/NfoQUfQ+u/dcHchQ8EbnWIiveUw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GgKD139HMDEqr0zrzFSImWLajvOrQfM5LbKJ44zUUnwKTBI2WpLPP92G8r01kgBlg 8yRD6hAAz4k1Zy5vNsoFeOfrXIBcpk6VsBf0P7ZfSsMQOIi1On1Kh78XHE6DwIuhW8 5pmLfoH7rWhvTxbsehemQynkcW90oA4UsWNXsBCo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a5182bc04717c Subject: Re: [Tigers] voltage Regulator mounting, solenoid & fuse box findings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel, Thanks accumulating the information. It will serve as a good reference in the future for the Tiger community. Mark L In a message dated 5/2/2013 1:39:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jmartiniii@yahoo.com writes: Thanks to everyone who responded, especially the pictures - it helps to sink into my brain. This is what I learned for a 1966 MK 1A: Voltage regulator with generator: Black case with blue 'FoMoCo' lettering. Ford part # C2AF-10505-A. Mustang Unlimited Part #: GR268. Starer Solenoid:Ford Part # C4AF-11450-A or B - could never find cross reference for this number. FOMOCO" "block-style" logo, "2701966" stamping, & "bakelite" finish - black. Mustang Unlimited Part #: 11450A Fuse unit 54038033 had steel connectors and 54038068 had copper connectors which I went with due to better electrical connectivity. FYI - SS carries all 3. With you all's help becoming a parts detective. Bleeding dollars badly with no end in sight. Hope to have a start up next week then on to clean up chrome and plating as necessary, under dash components, dash & guages, finish wiring, seat frame clean up & painting (need color), interior, hang doors, trunk & hood, wheels and tires, then alignment. Miles to go before we sleep and maybe get to drive it again someday! Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 15:17:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3BFF42BAB for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:17:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s17.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s17.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00EB4284E for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:17:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU169-W4 ([65.55.116.72]) by blu0-omc3-s17.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 2 May 2013 14:15:50 -0700 From: Brent Edinger To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 14:15:50 -0700 FILETIME=[38EE0BF0:01CE477A] Subject: [Tigers] Lucas gremlins Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net After 35 years of driving these things it always boils down to a bad ground somewhere in the system. Lucas or American. When you turn on your lights the charging system is finding ground though the head lights some how. Brent _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 15:48:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB3C42C1F for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:48:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f42.google.com (mail-qe0-f42.google.com [209.85.128.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D288B4255E for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:39:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f42.google.com with SMTP id 1so568338qee.15 for ; Thu, 02 May 2013 14:37:35 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ocukGWHKeJfaakSa+feN8kZoXG9x+bnpkWwB+8p51Zg=; b=dnaQOEvy9qUEZq4XBl2NXsgzOv0RgrBU0UjSFfc7SU/gfnEfeMlEEV3x7lWxe9whh3 5L5bhaTbMZEpTn6QyG426OBzdLcRojI1WUduwyrdREplUkE2QwtPUjs3B8ci9BCHDBud Ol7MhfenmluJliA/BC5SwWPoEEEtyYH+bOq6gNofodb8wjesHHCIPgZlqx3RJn0BARhu eVGpYy5b6K0ZFWIP0SSbc2nDKH9HZZ7g/V+NPSeYksWzMKfEWxAl987DTQdZlAeBYf5X zJXx3CxHJ4qvjWwXv/PHFH5XhA/ITAtU6STlW6YiXu5RIMRsz2MN7pvORFo9yym240YE 0i+Q== h20mr3496307qcx.47.1367530655521; Thu, 02 May 2013 14:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.64.164 with HTTP; Thu, 2 May 2013 14:37:35 -0700 (PDT) References: <60d54.7fd2a8e5.3eb41604@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 17:37:35 -0400 From: Jeffery Randall To: CoolVT@aol.com Cc: Joel Martin , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] voltage Regulator mounting, solenoid & fuse box findings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Seat frames are machinery gray, seat bases that slide are natural, which is zinc plated(silver works) Regards, Jeff On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:18 PM, wrote: > Joel, > Thanks accumulating the information. It will serve as a good reference in > the future for the Tiger community. > Mark L > > > In a message dated 5/2/2013 1:39:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > jmartiniii@yahoo.com writes: > > Thanks to everyone who responded, especially the pictures - it helps to > sink > into my brain. > > This is what I learned for a 1966 MK 1A: > > Voltage regulator with generator: Black case with blue 'FoMoCo' > lettering. > Ford part # C2AF-10505-A. Mustang Unlimited Part #: GR268. > > Starer Solenoid:Ford Part # C4AF-11450-A or B - could never find cross > reference for this number. FOMOCO" "block-style" logo, "2701966" stamping, > & > "bakelite" finish - black. > Mustang Unlimited Part #: 11450A > > Fuse unit 54038033 had steel connectors and 54038068 had copper connectors > which I went with due to better electrical connectivity. > > FYI - SS carries all 3. > > With you all's help becoming a parts detective. Bleeding dollars badly > with > no end in sight. Hope to have a start up next week then on to clean up > chrome > and plating as necessary, under dash components, dash & guages, finish > wiring, > seat frame clean up & painting (need color), interior, hang doors, trunk & > hood, wheels and tires, then alignment. > > Miles to go before we sleep and maybe get to drive it again someday! > > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 09:42:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC3840440 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 09:42:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f182.google.com (mail-pd0-f182.google.com [209.85.192.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC66F40403 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 09:42:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 3so1370134pdj.27 for ; Sat, 04 May 2013 08:40:42 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=3CMu7QstcldpmMUHhDLr34qdmuTG5eJZBQfvTLT4FQI=; b=vdmPSbC3htbUSJBB1Y1XzIyowAyRixHZj655foE7f3lVDF9+X6es5lq0HNutHMwAur BgGbqxRmwQBws9xmjoaoHrsweNFmvSWExg5cWlWywgC1E30xssoO3GpVWtsZOexs3hii DfuPCAMyxALhe+WFPsacLxQOXusaoDS3NTQHm+dbokXke2DJud3Ptv3NEIcWyfh/D7Te mKtUJ54okZvK9FxfHBXq2/50sQxrSZktmgkEx12FaY035xtVd79mG3WNCBXh7pQNWN1z 7pdj1sPTG/PKMv6kgkO/vMXJB5Z8ZXgVPDHbBajwdtDNu4KuDfa774JqNG4xtQRdaMPh mqBw== xp1mr19830001pab.36.1367682042712; Sat, 04 May 2013 08:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id sg4sm16222722pbc.7.2013.05.04.08.40.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 04 May 2013 08:40:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 08:40:39 -0700 To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I went for a fantastic drive this morning. Man, I love that low end grunt after a shift. The clutch worked great. It is still firm, but nothing remotely like it was before. A very knowledgeable Tiger guy told me that he has found that DOT5 "does funny things in the clutch" and no longer uses it there. My guess is that in my dad's car, it was exactly what a few have commented on: that the moisture will not spread in the fluid, but sink to the bottom. So, the slave cylinder had a fair amount of water down there. I decided to go back to LMA. This is even with the fancy expandable diaphragm he had in there. But, it admittedly was ripped. So, i've ordered a new one. FWIW, when I took apart the master and slave, the seals were like soft gummy bears. Although some posted that going from DOT5 to DOT 3 should be fine, I guess it was not. Finally, when using the kit, the rubber is pretty stiff. Everything went on fine except the dust cap on the master. The first time, when I tried to get it over the plunger and the metal disk, it ripped. I got another one, put it in very hot soapy water. It almost made it, but got a tiny split. I decided to leave it as is for now. One of these days, I'll try again. Thanks for all the help. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 10:29:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE9C40422 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 10:29:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm11-vm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B47B40422 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 10:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2013 16:23:09 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.96] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2013 16:23:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2013 16:23:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 28212 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2013 16:23:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367684588; bh=ECUyFoFd7y+9bIuonjtuTPMDbrn5a8yEYKgubObRv4k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qd6srYvvh506jC/4fkq8MIx0VRJH9ihYdpF3a7G5k69O3KOCPJkGl9ixADWsiTwp7OJUmG/df38HJI6HdgFdS8F7uHcOLWa/PUP81eWiu4niNFOoQY+fosG28F7cTcs4XOoeUrUoCpwhWMJKcB5K+u6rjVDrFfgVuRai4gz10to= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6T3wQhBd14yH/Czw1kePh+epnCv4pVF4T4f9jAEBTfSQUn1vWYaR0KvsAF50ltq7k0w5TVilSG0lCLfDoIsP9ocP29I/xVyzZ3haT6b+V8UKbLt9wu5na52bLXBdAzck831TjqjHk6gvg7U89OoApemub9hPjcEOmHCWtrKhPBM=; olU21b3Hf0W0a8joRYJ7tUzz4siytAwD9VzU9BZOHuSFH2BPpCMR18GD3KTh uMV8JTRj22b9aVM64enzbtagzje68bjFj6DBXHkw6PRG0DIav8xUZGofEsIO 7V4.yi6ajji4Ea1Pg4OF6bJXL.CPe9jimcQDikcfC1GKPaJo_9CkXLXOAwTh _F_HGj5fotbVpxjsF2puwV8dokj9SL8Xf85hqKa0gBACZ0MGLvrANO.OMzBU xlbJ6y8lmNfTjijS2F6PocEdrjRM0r0D2V59ASmAeo8i91_p_XQkUufsu_V8 tKqADS3kqFXWOwDkBlU1vHEkexjmW0FX0NZKkC_LEzWj1mC6jGLpSCXkFHCO hl0yWT2UbimdfnbcoZL3UngQRmx7KPlq5Jt2zruOr4hvlxv5dRXZt_cAD7H9 27VToyCIS3vBq8toEoPXOZKOFVwMMJqqWr8bLz.3jgddQFUKVMErX2hbo17t NTRGaGVty0YuS1dDxZ2cuElDJCbVx2A2kzBUwASQey1tDmxOK1C4sqI8x30N rb7_IpLhXyKSZHztCxvbD Received: from [184.21.37.243] by web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 May 2013 09:23:08 PDT SSBoYXZlIHVzZWQgZG90IDUgc2luY2UgMTk3OCDCoCDCoCAuIE5vIHdhdGVyIGNhbiBnZXQgaW4gdW5sZXNzIHlvdSBsZWF2ZSB0aGUgTUMgY2FwIG9mZiBhbmQgd2FzaCB0aGUgZW5naW5lLi4gSSB1c2UgZG90IDUgZXhjbHVzaXZlbHkgYXMgZG9lcyB0aGUgVVMgcG9zdCBvZmZpY2UgYW5kIG1pbGl0YXJ5LiBNeSBicmFrZXMvIGNsdXRjaCB3aWxsIHdvcmsuwqDCoMKgwqAgR2FyeSBNb29yZcKgIEI5NDcyMjgzIExSWEZFIMKgIMKgIHRhY8KgIDMxMS4uLi4uLi4uDQoNCi0tLSBPbiBTYXQsIDUvNC8xMywgSmEBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 09:23:08 -0700 (PDT) From: arado7@sbcglobal.net To: Jay Laifman Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have used dot 5 since 1978 . No water can get in unless you leave the MC cap off and wash the engine.. I use dot 5 exclusively as does the US post office and military. My brakes/ clutch will work. Gary Moore B9472283 LRXFE tac 311........ --- On Sat, 5/4/13, Jay Laifman wrote: From: Jay Laifman Subject: [Tigers] Clutch To: "Tiger's Den" Date: Saturday, May 4, 2013, 3:40 PM I went for a fantastic drive this morning. Man, I love that low end grunt after a shift. The clutch worked great. It is still firm, but nothing remotely like it was before. A very knowledgeable Tiger guy told me that he has found that DOT5 "does funny things in the clutch" and no longer uses it there. My guess is that in my dad's car, it was exactly what a few have commented on: that the moisture will not spread in the fluid, but sink to the bottom. So, the slave cylinder had a fair amount of water down there. I decided to go back to LMA. This is even with the fancy expandable diaphragm he had in there. But, it admittedly was ripped. So, i've ordered a new one. FWIW, when I took apart the master and slave, the seals were like soft gummy bears. Although some posted that going from DOT5 to DOT 3 should be fine, I guess it was not. Finally, when using the kit, the rubber is pretty stiff. Everything went on fine except the dust cap on the master. The first time, when I tried to get it over the plunger and the metal disk, it ripped. I got another one, put it in very hot soapy water. It almost made it, but got a tiny split. I decided to leave it as is for now. One of these days, I'll try again. Thanks for all the help. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 12:22:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5731642B05 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 12:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com (mail-pa0-f44.google.com [209.85.220.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A5A403F7 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 12:14:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id jh10so1423512pab.17 for ; Sat, 04 May 2013 11:12:14 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=99yUZyu1yC65V1EIW9bNJ3C6m0kYcuhpFecN3L4nAAM=; b=AGtejX8UCU6XHLNoMY9RYaO0D7jPCk/M23Y3WtKjemnWpUCSbddDY2BXDUhf8V3ZOy EC5VkzEXLMRWF+gs8uB/CMXcLiwRoAsWjYaypV3M/EhXolvOtc2WX+Mbt0pCSuYHolqg F3uNe/8muk4Fxa3HAUeS3nRsdCy3OQG+Lf9DsIVCu4BNRRkJrcy+8acDNNhpFle7LkOl QHx+H7IoIHtEQ/VGhu3X83EriOR5wrW2S78Vld+LXbRins+N6fc8OYpiPSSuwQ7HWOjZ g41XHtpBNrcnGEKDsgkYNkqngXVDyDdjj7vxMYeVlRGYRMQGxictqfSJWKWAR420Exr6 1PQw== la4mr18885983pbc.190.1367691133895; Sat, 04 May 2013 11:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cp1sm16585803pbc.42.2013.05.04.11.12.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 04 May 2013 11:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 11:12:09 -0700 References: <1367684588.27420.YahooMailClassic@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: arado7@sbcglobal.net Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yep, lots of people have said good things about DOT5. An almost equal number have given the thumbs up to LMA DOT3/4. It was a flip of the coin for me. Having that one last guy tell me about "funny things" (which I think is a very silly non-persuasive way to put it) blew the wind to have the coin land on LMA. All I know is that my dad rebuilt them, used DOT5 and a moisture barrier, and the clutch was as hard as can be. I changed it to DOT3, it worked much better for about a week, then the seals failed. I rebuilt them using DOT3/4 LMA and feel great. For all I know, if I had just rebled my clutch using DOT5, the clutch pedal would have felt just fine again and I wouldn't have destroyed the rubber. There is no way for me to know now! Just reporting my observations. :-) Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 12:34:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F87142A73 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 12:34:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3E0403F6 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 12:26:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E507F7000410B for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 14:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqd001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.1]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BC896E000085 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 14:24:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 14:24:40 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1367691880; bh=isFi/V4kAusOEulyi++MNBEgvQncRkhpPNlSXQvVPYE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bU8EXhFq3qjKZ97/taBY6x96r9EDHM8BF/0EHIUXDgcoQVy7D/e7spcPayCTwY+Nu 9ONCpFjIPE002cSyBQ+dcg8xmAEjhVlontQMQAG/UnaslE/wRMLX+GGzFdduRylAi0 zMDk+ceFjZVWfUZ8kHFcud5C0K8kghUnAOv3J57M= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a51855268474d Subject: [Tigers] 50 years on Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, In 2010, Tod Brown and associates, organized a great Columbus Day TE/AE United in mid-coast Maine. I believe a total of official guests and drop by Sunbeams hit a bit over 70 cars. All types: lots and lots of Tigers, plenty of Alpines, the best Alpine GT (Barracuda version), Venezias and so on. It really was great. The great Col. Duke got the farthest driven prize: Ft Leavenworth KS to Rockland ME. Solo. He truly is an iron man. Here we are in 2013, facing the 50th anniversary of the Tiger next year, 2014. Perhaps we ought to consider an event to celebrate this unique and signal event. Anybody got any ideas out there? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 13:21:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985AD42460 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 13:21:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7AB40438 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 13:21:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 15so2371647vea.15 for ; Sat, 04 May 2013 12:19:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=C5t+eqsGvdYI3NNSmBKzMK9/KxSBSBXTJoO+1abiYvs=; b=HZp+e5d7XTSR40F6VUev+BA08B93vcywgmjL5zSVuUlZFuV8yJb7drDm5mqX1LW8bJ 3Iw7GJCKExbdUDRWc/px4mQuSCISdD00VYRSe5Yj+jhZeXmhr30gE5ac4lTn6Fueihe7 qAwndyqg7ZQzM5gw7zVhUalt5nEABxqQiw6xJqA2DKL7Y+Ks9SgumYOe1yaTBrjKmv+r SaNfyoFP8+9hrXBEJAC75VRXWWSQWDa6kDbpR4fZi9M90gG0/1Xji10ZInzwC14faKkg dby19/vlIBYGi8qoaAOn77sZqnmR83ie3tLsNnEPN5hAleb0GLY5larafrm4oBvKPzNp NCog== Sat, 04 May 2013 12:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.143.80 with HTTP; Sat, 4 May 2013 12:19:40 -0700 (PDT) References: <1367684588.27420.YahooMailClassic@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 15:19:40 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: Jay Laifman Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have found I need to use high temp dot 4 or a hard drive gets the fluid boiling within 5-10 minutes. It pretty much rules out any other alternatives. On Saturday, May 4, 2013, Jay Laifman wrote: > Yep, lots of people have said good things about DOT5. An almost equal > number > have given the thumbs up to LMA DOT3/4. It was a flip of the coin for me. > Having that one last guy tell me about "funny things" (which I think is a > very > silly non-persuasive way to put it) blew the wind to have the coin land on > LMA. All I know is that my dad rebuilt them, used DOT5 and a moisture > barrier, and the clutch was as hard as can be. I changed it to DOT3, it > worked much better for about a week, then the seals failed. I rebuilt them > using DOT3/4 LMA and feel great. For all I know, if I had just rebled my > clutch using DOT5, the clutch pedal would have felt just fine again and I > wouldn't have destroyed the rubber. There is no way for me to know now! > Just > reporting my observations. :-) > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 11:42:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF58C40545 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 11:42:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD35B4041D for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 11:26:49 -0600 (MDT) a=PS6KAoT6fM+xnV57C3kn/w==:17 a=z9oFgYFLy_oA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=4b0lTd7kAOYA:10 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=7yhAPBPPaV0hWiLt9DkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PS6KAoT6fM+xnV57C3kn/w==:117 Received: from [65.27.155.193] ([65.27.155.193:62586] helo=OwnerHP) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B1/11-22955-CD596815; Sun, 05 May 2013 17:24:44 +0000 From: "Curt Hoffman" To: Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 13:24:43 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5JtTbZsVSLsw5YTbytXkABk0HAMg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] My Tiger for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have decided to sell my tiger. This was my third and had the best body of any I have had. Here is the Ebay listing I just posted for anyone interested. Curt http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-MK1A-Green-/140970474710?_ trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&forcev4exp=true _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 17:49:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E816F4042A for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:49:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B033E403C5 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:49:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YnKt1l0030cZkys57nnJRJ; Mon, 06 May 2013 23:47:18 +0000 Received: from sz0112.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YnnJ1l00f2ymm843WnnJMR; Mon, 06 May 2013 23:47:18 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 23:47:18 +0000 (UTC) From: George Re To: Tigers s=q20121106; t=1367884038; bh=fsczv9kEWGAH2VmMyy8+0cU+HhFpZHZCqT/95CwJWM0=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=jM77MyHOmpfA7W/YZp0lYmRDa+d69HVsF1503S48FF8hRcIL5zN7N9C3OcVxwwi9L IrHJ/MMi11sGsA3YHNc+mNrwvORhQjOvB1RX7M54dCu7DplhhJhuIDUz0mkhB0G7wd MaFhYKB977Uz2CDTPrS6e40imD0F9QhLroKQIT5VlZ3zfH0NFJ2L+BtVveZFeea9S+ f/pMH1d0SqmF4YhnMzBHDlsfj8mKYROMd3BWgKstmVq536xQyyWx+/+nuVQrmJePRL 6tz9uMVwk8LwR97HUB72uQompTtPXCWQ4SW4fXdAuFVsAccTSck2uYqtm48xsETzfY +XZodS73CgSJA== Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi: Looking for info on a good fuel pump to use on a stock 260 engine. I have tried a Holley and a Mr gasket pump the problem is they a to noisy anyone have a pump that does not make to much noise?. Please let me know. Thanks in advance . George Re _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 18:00:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BC7403F0 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:00:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com (mail-vb0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8247403C5 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:55:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 10so3374404vbe.19 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 16:53:45 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=0eZ7g7hc2z7hTBz68+ohZ02mMd5w43DJGiuB+l4l2Co=; b=fsQ5YI6ks41001zBcx13mtBXF4cSEgao8Wh8GqhTVTZfMGURYfN0OEDjGKTImWzVZm yYW6Gup3u5Hmui0PkTwiIVSVEfZhpxF0YZY7uXwmkI13yMO2pa7DUVE+7zgg4pE3QBni W/7gPFrDgnmRh99L4teLPeBsdg2vZFy9SQxpbB5nZyMtGfvzfwJCVl2+jR69Kj3dUlv/ luY3a0UD24i2gKcgc/SCKQji6QxaU0OLbvAamK7cKSj1+MCO+gNYOIVPfQXiyT1Dd2pQ ZXeIh7caU9Sad2vXAjmo7wQWmJyJLYo4Gz/uci7t/QTT1ST5GN2O+lYsvPeOnMaPSVg7 jyDQ== x14mr7706935vcy.41.1367884425587; Mon, 06 May 2013 16:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.143.80 with HTTP; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:53:45 -0700 (PDT) References: <1766090172.1683166.1367884038318.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 19:53:45 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: George Re Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net i prefer carter. a fair bit quieter, more options available and better quality. not a fan of holley either. On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM, George Re wrote: > Hi: Looking for info on a good fuel pump to use on a stock 260 engine. I > have tried a Holley and a Mr gasket pump the problem is they a to noisy > anyone have a pump that does not make to much noise?. Please let me know. > Thanks in advance . > > George Re > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 18:00:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7564044E for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:00:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9AB24039F for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:57:42 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=f+Q6sw0W425OkyVqE/bViaKtH5iXZ0cV46TfzqH3PYQqvftvQWzV2ORrnoEtFEJk; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.245.41.213] (helo=XPS2710.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UZVFj-0004XB-IG for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 06 May 2013 19:55:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 16:55:14 -0700 To: tigers@autox.team.net From: "Norman C. Miller" References: <14d3ad.3e690802.3e989226@aol.com> Subject: [Tigers] LOST 'N FOUND Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Any chance the current owner of B9472094 is on the list? Norm _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 18:20:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560C04043B for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:20:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B438403DA for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:20:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004960.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r470HP1v015882; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:18:50 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0219.5171a5bd.25b13f; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:18:11 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.177.181]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Tue, 07 May 2013 00:18:07 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'George Re'" , "'Tigers'" Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 20:18:02 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5KtBSRJrHVAQ6ES2Ol7jxuWdO5cgAA8MMg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-06_05:2013-05-06,2013-05-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1305060282 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net George I guess it depends on your definition of too much noise. I'm using a Purolator electronic cube fuel pump now made by Facet. I can hear it but not while driving. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Re Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:47 PM To: Tigers Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Hi: Looking for info on a good fuel pump to use on a stock 260 engine. I have tried a Holley and a Mr gasket pump the problem is they a to noisy anyone have a pump that does not make to much noise?. Please let me know. Thanks in advance . George Re _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 18:31:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EE940443 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:31:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B81D403FC for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:30:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.196] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 00:27:56 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.102] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 00:27:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 00:27:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 11640 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2013 00:27:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367886476; bh=LE5fwAq1sOsm9aPX1aQkzPqv4Qauheu9N7RGMbVygdc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FGASDhf5gNaljvafoDemv0VGkpmrSvK5GJAnpBf4hYKGQQ80LLB0A4Id8zV3PSar9Mw44sxd9nhMHoJOmyU4EsDYofd69+Kkb2SN6zFPB291O1g2GrnJw7XZGRUEsgZwZtbwdPpfnUDlaPKAGqBExmRGJ0Smx145Olo2ftp46mI= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JxOMHwx9/Bf4eOxmAQZH2csLLST8BnRB9UZ41sgeWiaa8uQAxzaFK9jmeQjJHcq5AxWqkq2jpehWEEOOGsyCTwpr2GT8/AzY9I0LR5XrvxUEXAK8n4l+MlkjVYZBvP/gddsNfO4qI6mPlawSXNi6k/AAxQ0L7ONu+ICTUxy1eNA=; Ri7v_qN8LZtijXAbYOxvt_QNq7ZidgcTsfZQbGCzpHMdot6KpZG8oKeQZ1uj AZp7duRu0_1gAv1siwuyTfBxZcQmoA3YKzd5aIZARSASWdj.l3BNBIphqKIL 4UkU5kv9QekVpW1rO5zcs.OcK8w1iz_mNgv6GTYx20Cx7NijKBhsQmbhyb3u hQpODQyDYm4Gi1Sf8TGii.1f1saD96OPLmzlmXgdLhDKlArPMtAbcdtjLPyk KlkqaT0yoH80Sx.uOZc_oksPgTkG0tDbYmJdfLZG0AVn3SA.nNxdcFThQYvU au4eKFJimssJYKMCb.hWGJuEWNXBxnudwDfmiDzwA3Tg5W5tupdZcARdhbYc 6YQ6bRkx_iRwLX4YPiraKPSfAdKoVp91FGcfE_kompisxNBeSJR08..nWFNm 9oTgC54L.1Qu1tJxKYlhC9lZGp4yxTiIuJutkZEinQKl4Vtdnlx3qrGUtn04 v65YlkyZXNwOR59QPgPEOYXtsl8RZgydMi9uJsKaSeK8SEVPLihcQ3Hv4mVq tiQrLo02Z7jRT1cIE3so- Received: from [184.21.37.243] by web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 May 2013 17:27:55 PDT SSB1c2UgYW4gU1Ugd2l0aCBubyBwb2ludHMuwqDCoCBJdCdzIGVsZWN0cm9uaWMsIMKgIHJlbGlhYmxlIGFuZCBxdWlldC7CoMKgIENoZWNrIHdpdGjCoCBNb3NzIE1vdG9ycy7CoMKgwqDCoCBnYXJ5wqDCoCBCOTQ3MjI4M8KgwqDCoMKgwqDCoCANCg0KLS0tIE9uIFR1ZSwgNS83LzEzLCBSb24gRnJhc2VyIDxyZnJhc2VyQGJsdWVmcm9nLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCkZyb206IFJvbiBGcmFzZXIgPHJmcmFzZXJAYmx1ZWZyb2cuY29tPg0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFtUaWdlcnNdIEZ1ZWwgUHVtcA0KVG86ICInR2UBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 17:27:55 -0700 (PDT) From: arado7@sbcglobal.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I use an SU with no points. It's electronic, reliable and quiet. Check with Moss Motors. gary B9472283 --- On Tue, 5/7/13, Ron Fraser wrote: From: Ron Fraser Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump To: "'George Re'" , "'Tigers'" Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 12:18 AM George I guess it depends on your definition of too much noise. I'm using a Purolator electronic cube fuel pump now made by Facet. I can hear it but not while driving. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Re Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:47 PM To: Tigers Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Hi: Looking for info on a good fuel pump to use on a stock 260 engine. I have tried a Holley and a Mr gasket pump the problem is they a to noisy anyone have a pump that does not make to much noise?. Please let me know. Thanks in advance . George Re _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 18:45:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C5B4043F for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:45:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D25403F5 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:43:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Yobd1l0021GhbT857ohEDs; Tue, 07 May 2013 00:41:14 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YohE1l00D0fu9Ni3TohEkA; Tue, 07 May 2013 00:41:14 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: , "'George Re'" , "'Tigers'" References: Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 20:41:08 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1367887274; bh=Hv1RxF9ciduTnBcMGkx2X2ZuRHgALxC1PXF2R4fpavU=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=owF+tOiOtKaIJ/iNsUQyg5RPh2CRiKU2Sa8CRdewwLK6aof/56vYYF9rOO0KGyAxa PqVG5dsDawZPiEaxL1zGHjM+d/jkyWJPIFILx0ZTd7glW0Q3x4QUMgo97MAXwgKD4j H74OIZB3cYlY7+L3r+uGUVzEZEXGjzDKNn8pJGnm+HmMIlhvqdlq54GfG5EFj3dZSO n+NL/iulM/8oHmSuQYYQAvLQpzXAh0xSyti9ckqDPbdnB5aWIpJ93Px0QnKZ5k4jGh uuM+SlmXFtA7ZDyyfpSJpgJWujEuT/NjXpofmU5T8YACf4tW3rrGJC2Szi0LgHyM4N 0pjVMaSSsECow== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have the Facet, too. With a stock 260 and stock type mufflers, once the engine starts itbs the least of the things I hear. In fact, I'm about to put a new one because I've had this pump longer than I've had the Tiger, and that's a long time... Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 19:16:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93814043F for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 19:16:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm11-vm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9322E403F5 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 19:13:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 01:11:29 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.174] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 01:11:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 01:11:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367889089; bh=P6e+l1gB2d/VkK1yAoFPnDZPzW0vQyZNWF1Omft7pBk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:CC:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding; b=ohYYgy4BB76vJ37iSvX0DRn7BR73v0v/BGbbKOtmnYsZ5wPlMpGsVGyTdWwYBSJYuxALTCjTgxu+Ry6B8sOKBdN/ZuUDAkDCOl3vcehVhEUaZ/cIhSYJmBm8IdxWm6rz1kGFy4RtEUk1InX4y8Y6STYaTorgR0mdfzclS5e9zJg= Qrxwhavf4DfCmjHu9Kzehb04QcETwAO98qa1GMALeWRU.fYQku3YaWboGKMr lSZCey4orirOtNafwRcOp6SI99OrIYhS1xThQsNPIPLcHvwZsqjDbiR_5NUr x4Qr8h8eEkCvkj4rcjPxwpPQWx.GgRZP2dTkYTV0PwUNxbEFqQL3a8IQMhSk 44tUmfiamXC51mWKZhJFas_dnLws70ogiUUV.0i9btSrCjZgF.bhcDif8lYe QfEV08okhOlOVAYd9v3Z_7M6UJIy0hVLhmeMfCYarvyEZhM4qYAfT2_IHYpk oC9VNqkz77vRa579KnfzUEEBdhIYOD7gRAyzQ1XDIWbpgi2kedwotNi3rTz8 vqiQqZBmb2KaDMpmqxsNWLwW8ht8ljOEzSyjbFK2nCaWjiXjwOi5QX9JYEEk 4hlwfiFOJllSEeVAQIgT2WMszqCR8kvyv9tRGO3NEtxF_HsprjshXmCk6qWj f6gSrdZb_MMzFmTfXZt0j7lolx6I- smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 May 2013 18:11:29 -0700 PDT User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.2.130206 Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 21:11:20 -0400 From: Don Antilla To: , Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I installed a Holley Red (7 PSI) pump in my Series 200 Griffith. I used the small sound isolation mounting bushings and the noise is not perceptible when the engine is running. Perhaps that is because I have a stroked 289 and a straight through stainless Borla muffler. Overall, the Holly Red has worked for me. Don Antilla On 5/6/13 8:27 PM, "arado7@sbcglobal.net" wrote: >I use an SU with no points. It's electronic, reliable and quiet. >Check >with Moss Motors. gary B9472283 > >--- On Tue, 5/7/13, Ron Fraser wrote: > >From: Ron Fraser >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump >To: "'George Re'" , "'Tigers'" > >Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 12:18 AM > >George > I guess it depends on your definition of too much noise. > >I'm using a Purolator electronic cube fuel pump now made by Facet. >I can hear it but not while driving. > >Ron Fraser > >-----Original Message----- >From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >On Behalf Of George Re >Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:47 PM >To: Tigers >Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Pump > > >Hi: Looking for info on a good fuel pump to use on a stock 260 engine. I >have tried a Holley and a Mr gasket pump the problem is they a to noisy >anyone have a pump that does not make to much noise?. Please let me know. >Thanks in advance . > >George Re >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7@sbcglobal.net >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fast427@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 20:18:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF56E40518 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 20:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974AF40396 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 20:15:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Yo191l0081HpZEsA2qDjSP; Tue, 07 May 2013 02:13:43 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YqDj1l00R2yr1eL8aqDjVt; Tue, 07 May 2013 02:13:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 02:13:43 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: George Re s=q20121106; t=1367892823; bh=fClka+p2q9krKm6kxd1YhTXcOKFCgR2vUWrg34ANYT8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Vu16QxTPpXcUkhLuYIJVXe/phqlqpPC9js5y0xS8IvXCdi1wGgfoV0fNVt4m7bv/Q obrV0T/pgKbxi/BEkygqzk7UWRj+91k8HcE5U+UwU9TBM2TyZYv1O/HVOtDg0AWgPz /8dNFHGxGypWBAOCjZ/2uT6I6Q+KJSIgBZVBeap2z1xddN1Sw/sV2l6NSoBAsoS4J9 8DhYHUsVKZcsNNe/0xS5uaeY5GqYu1Xe4H18zZqaB/D49Fa7iS+/OQrfElsRdPViRY OIBtqrhiwiPd/YuGH7JTe8k7XF1PsBymbDdHlB0XNhVZML48U2YiUcoBItw57h/YBV 7A8Wpi7fVrRww== Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Regardless of what pump you use, put a heat shield on your muffler if the pump is mounted above it. It will help the pump run cooler. and therefore quieter and longer. This is especially important if the pump has to be mounted vertically rather than horizontally like the original SU. The vertical mount will put the motor much closer to the hot muffler. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Re" To: "Tigers" Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 6:47:18 PM Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Hi: Looking for info on a good fuel pump to use on a stock 260 engine. I have tried a Holley and a Mr gasket pump the problem is they a to noisy anyone have a pump that does not make to much noise?. Please let me know. Thanks in advance . George Re _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 20:45:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B3040511 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 20:45:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f180.google.com (mail-qc0-f180.google.com [209.85.216.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E5440434 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 20:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id a10so47377qcx.11 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 19:41:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=30Rg2PjY6YiQmmubib/cnAk0EXbi4c5cozCmAAo2Ctk=; b=xsNZvI85jW0fy4lFMLPbpH2zw3HTsJ4d7D/2cXvj3wmRKeU1+G1xLw0xhGbYpOlb4y HRsXLbaCEzwPUwTt7MlOm74i5ZSNltdRJd9Kc0n6q2J9D/QPoSsrHoZ0be07slUoQKW6 HVtakt0oh3BwQKbEr83nJ6b66ut10Lbe/ie0pODfgOM2cTVGcOlTTO7uq2l1c4RkLyDz HJiO56geQDZErfz/MPkfPtOn2SkFrlKN7sCYWpMXR7WeeQrEZJb3ZJqaGFhfmi3qfuXW 9rdRSIrEEPeW4jIPWNxfEsoyyYGd/tCvMlz1cCp1b8ieKKanvsXzDiEH/rme5maD4RXS pCKw== f13mr394937qay.16.1367894508100; Mon, 06 May 2013 19:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.232 with HTTP; Mon, 6 May 2013 19:41:47 -0700 (PDT) References: <1766090172.1683166.1367884038318.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1925160986.481036.1367892823314.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 22:41:47 -0400 From: Jeffery Randall To: genepadgett@comcast.net Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I got the SU from SS very quiet Jeff On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:13 PM, wrote: > Regardless of what pump you use, put a heat shield on your muffler if the > pump is mounted above it. It will help the pump run cooler. and therefore > quieter and longer. This is especially important if the pump has to be > mounted vertically rather than horizontally like the original SU. The > vertical mount will put the motor much closer to the hot muffler. > > > Gene > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Re" > To: "Tigers" > Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 6:47:18 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Pump > > Hi: Looking for info on a good fuel pump to use on a stock 260 engine. I > have tried a Holley and a Mr gasket pump the problem is they a to noisy > anyone have a pump that does not make to much noise?. Please let me know. > Thanks in advance . > > George Re > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 21:20:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0127340525 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 21:20:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0125940438 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 21:19:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YrG91l0011wpRvQ57rH4gJ; Tue, 07 May 2013 03:17:04 +0000 Received: from sz0112.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YrH41l0062ymm843erH4aF; Tue, 07 May 2013 03:17:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 03:17:04 +0000 (UTC) From: George Re To: Jeffery Randall s=q20121106; t=1367896624; bh=ctsGnKy5zw282cg/wU09vVjmlEGo5zFPlQqvZf/CFMM=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=UJ67sVVmnPCHivukTIHCaUnSNQdwfis5Z7J0r96VQ6OrP8U0S/jEpsmHnNTuxKY44 9B3gv3J5UTWEULjEbgmMgea7DXTgKBy4va2+rnTYt2rBCZyMT0SRCIjJXZYA7Cxp56 aYwoBaIf0muRWiubadIyzVhLw+l4b+OdY2oOR7WADaYvIq90JokSRzsltu4AWh67e9 TEAuxLR6aN8+FjbphtZDdVCBLvVPhow2dCM0Vxkr55Z1mlqR9iWuF0foLVt3KGZAcl B5b8IAhT3h5d0nl7jfk7cZCa1Du1vO1G15AsY7DrxR2fPRUxV/fyZMIXFyDbb35NL2 bN+RQbfvXHHpQ== Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks everyone for the INFO I will look in to the Facet and SU. George Re ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffery Randall" To: genepadgett@comcast.net Cc: "George Re" , "Tigers" Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 10:41:47 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump I got the SU from SS very quiet Jeff On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:13 PM, < genepadgett@comcast.net > wrote: Regardless of what pump you use, put a heat shield on your muffler if the pump is mounted above it. It will help the pump run cooler. and therefore quieter and longer. This is especially important if the pump has to be mounted vertically rather than horizontally like the original SU. The vertical mount will put the motor much closer to the hot muffler. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Re" < mgman71@comcast.net > To: "Tigers" < tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 6:47:18 PM Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Hi: Looking for info on a good fuel pump to use on a stock 260 engine. I have tried a Holley and a Mr gasket pump the problem is they a to noisy anyone have a pump that does not make to much noise?. Please let me know. Thanks in advance . George Re _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 23:35:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AC240E5A for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 23:35:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com (mail-pb0-f43.google.com [209.85.160.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F2040415 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 23:34:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id md12so3682872pbc.2 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 22:32:21 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=xm2hLThBzL++9EAqllfzpySo7naxUYnbWRK5UlKeQSE=; b=nnQl5G7Via0zQvKtVo3hB49ZHwSufPGrX3FfvA0vO3URxVzxYADCykOMBFzixOqNQV 6SaoK70pjp3sE5oQpU1LxFC3EAGu+7UPmIgy0HzyTh15SwSPr/Ivn7WFv+i3jEhQLOgx +nL+zQQR93M3IoyakybYiDyuFBFz+EtijIXChp8QiiLjNW3SS9bpfcDB180ml4bL/5ht miI3Fd1BUCyscZ35YQPwOJLFDRlKa8ywSRffd1OEiOnMBuYUs/R/4UvbKGAg98Putkb+ nVCPebfZ4PkEu2CGLRp/nTf2dDUuWmohqTlNjch8bYDXZLcjRaDMkNjAJI+XuoAIkm+0 tI2g== h2mr23541130pbr.208.1368336741071; Sat, 11 May 2013 22:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id sa6sm8897995pbb.26.2013.05.11.22.32.19 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 11 May 2013 22:32:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 22:32:17 -0700 To: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: [Tigers] To fix the ignition switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I've done the various tests to confirm that it is the ignition switch that is not allowing enough power to get to the starter solenoid. I searched the archives and found some comments like "find a way to open it up and clean the contacts." But, I never found anyone say that was actually possible. I saw others that said when the switch goes it has to be replaced - with no mention of repair. I guess I'll pull it off the car tomorrow anyway and see if there is anything obvious about pulling it open. I did see posts about putting the key in and using a paperclip or something in some hole to remove the barrel so that the key can be used in a replacement switch. I hope this is still possible. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 06:57:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6190C426BD for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 06:57:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F92C403FA for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 06:57:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4CCqrLs027928; Sun, 12 May 2013 05:54:43 -0700 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b373) id dm0224.5171a5c2.2e6d39; Sun, 12 May 2013 05:54:32 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jay Laifman'" , Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 08:53:37 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5O0h+QLrokbKTXToSo6bMvipKGYAAOzhAg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-12_04:2013-05-10,2013-05-12,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1305120099 Subject: Re: [Tigers] To fix the ignition switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay There are 3 swaged spots on the aluminum body. They would have to be carefully pried away from the back of the switch to get at the contacts. The aluminum body is keyed to the back of the switch so rotating the aluminum body if the 3 swaged spots get ruined would take making a new notch and drilling a new hole. I have never tried any of this so I don't know if it would work. There is a hole in the aluminum body to allow barrel removal. Put the key in and to the OFF position, look into the hole; you will see another round hole in the black part with brass color in the center, push on the brass with a paper clip, pull the barrel out of the switch. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 1:32 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Den Subject: [Tigers] To fix the ignition switch I've done the various tests to confirm that it is the ignition switch that is not allowing enough power to get to the starter solenoid. I searched the archives and found some comments like "find a way to open it up and clean the contacts." But, I never found anyone say that was actually possible. I saw others that said when the switch goes it has to be replaced - with no mention of repair. I guess I'll pull it off the car tomorrow anyway and see if there is anything obvious about pulling it open. I did see posts about putting the key in and using a paperclip or something in some hole to remove the barrel so that the key can be used in a replacement switch. I hope this is still possible. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 08:10:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9974282F for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 08:10:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm39-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474FD424D8 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 08:02:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.60] by nm39.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 13:59:21 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.193] by tm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 13:59:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1080.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 13:59:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 99949 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2013 13:59:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368453560; bh=3OwnDZG7yYqJRB3ZOlwS07j8p/mu+5dl3hLfwvzpb3U=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pw26zoj/ZPBog48rQzl7QcU1zRdjtL6QPSlfF3B4IqDBSgXbpMOyxB8sI8FR+FhreT2SWKeh15pMwU/IhEJhslfARBZNnKxpVo12tVycidOiCV3HYkUQXa3QxQV7Wc7aMeERjhdc+xMOw/BZ+MI0xUe9tfmUJxA9OOpt4bXEDEI= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=S4nktHjLxwwgHVLM0Is3kIo38j9u7JWtP9MfONTVO+fStVpkggoaaghW28TJanJchjv9iwsmW+l/7/UnPfwvRwtteh+YTL3Ow5uw1lwuqSsrU601OyBDGtLZlXOhaEXoU3zF4pRDCq8/B5Hn7rlNtM6bD1KcJ1GWWzXgExtBtME=; 40OphK0JF.d55jnK6vKP84y7Udfq1x5M3vB58S_pIfryrlUrHPpaZ5I8Qm8q 8YwDQhL9S.aE32UfzHvolwOjeHZYe5uaUhqZraVX7nA1W4.ir2egJ.35Oy5f Zb02VJK7vCCOoeEHBsCth58ouJOC3HiKWY9rFrD2kz9I4NBtEaUyrJfXyv_g odbVLLzKlX51qOzreRWtoXAsD4b9WNLxiNFNqxy7DY2Mpd9Nk6..c9Af2dFQ YecEcI_BZHbK4kzEOu3.BdFiNiJfPH71KC8PSXA2aL4h6AWwGpy_uCQ_2V_r H3mooVePSAFGNCgAfxqgBuns0zvuHSvf0_9Ksqe6xeQWNh6odmZWrfT39tT8 pNOV8wBinceoVZ0IfEPWQAYTN7nPEA5x2Rk8haF9otFGncrrcZUS52.3QYh2 0X9R1QXsS6qubx3gEsPuB8cBCp2F5hxp9yDsG.qZFmMuOh7XrNrNQzCs2B_1 eZdN2VVwfqUJsA1ZmGX8J7xkzkbdbycTWvXktT0bAwaq6ABZvqgZsR0Sk0Ji _pH2bLvW5eb1XO5eXlrQXjD9VEcjw_0xYwRXH0sBy0drEvtqCdB1P0QlQO0T hnYFQGYdYNTE4o4T31m.yEQ-- Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 06:59:20 PDT QWxsDQpJIHdvdWxkIGJlIGludGVyZXN0ZWQgaW4gdGhpcyBhcyB3ZWxsIC0gc3ByYXkgY2FuIHZhcmlldHkuwqAgV291bGQgdGhpcyBiZSB0aGUgc2FtZSBncmV5IGZvciB0aGUgc2VhdCBmcmFtZXMsIEFDIHBhaW50ZWQgdG9wIGFpciBjbGVhbmVyIC0gSGFtbWVydG9uZSBHcmV5IGFzIHdlbGwgYXMgdGhlIHRvcCBmcmFtZT8NCsKgDQpKb2VsIE1hcnRpbg0KDQotLS0gT24gRnJpLCA1LzEwLzEzLCB0aWdlcnMtcmVxdWVzdEBhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCA8dGlnZXJzLXJlcXVlc3RAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ.IHcBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 146 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net All I would be interested in this as well - spray can variety. Would this be the same grey for the seat frames, AC painted top air cleaner - Hammertone Grey as well as the top frame? Joel Martin --- On Fri, 5/10/13, tigers-request@autox.team.net wrote: From: tigers-request@autox.team.net Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 146 To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Friday, May 10, 2013, 2:00 PM Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Convertible Top Frame (rsdslp@juno.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 19:40:16 GMT From: "rsdslp@juno.com" To: tigers@autox.team.net, alpines@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Convertible Top Frame Does anyone have a current paint code for the convertible top frame? ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tigers mailing list Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers End of Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 146 ************************************** _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 10:33:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962E7427A7 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:33:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43CA40442 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:23:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.175] by nm23.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 16:20:28 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.204] by tm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 16:20:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 16:20:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 2599 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2013 16:20:28 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368462028; bh=LnTu3SyE43tpWAv8odl42TWlMHEWjSLwa9NZDO3dfCo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ToXSAoQ09vBPrxCaT78iIftCvovRBjjt7iMnc214wfq6prsKFTFHuvKixe9aJbDnPhNFauqxssRKoZ8r4bYc02s1NQ7KZ0L9P4rZ68PLvNxD/MnX4g2+ywoezPM9eGBdH+8n6DGkaji1fAai2UtYUc8BABeYIJGATO5EACnJT9c= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2f4aOrclFD0wLaoiuO9oDhlWy+dr3Vq28Jofz761MbwOInZWYQyg9YdqlIsYxGp9RF+2hwqbVWXbGANffxBj+23I+SXkXOYalwjUArPM9Gg2ciFQ5PzftFji3gPLPjpLfUOTp6G2A4OERQaDIdRGwa5+yTHkkqevBhpG7H2W0n4=; dqo8v2VT6Kfr1vpBe8tlf.OhmAI_nB.7z1U6kR8pKp2tSaF2Qz3RuS4NcGdn vN2SSLoQIHo1yw1AT.6o2i14BjA93dzjLngdaXSrDhCT3b2TwMvBu6ZGZiMD HjaTSGgw4bOEH5qfVXywgTrmq06glr9yhuc4_8xdjrIpefgaOIEgUKdD.VUe pspe2go7SQRDPPLmt9CxZnYjfHrP7APd7mAsuXYkEkTof.ELoF402BkJ.FrW EKyBSgoMlo2a_.eOe4mqtdFS45LDOvqm5kDiJtrKpqNpIHC.MNHIARZZwszD rNYUsF88maDz237sxp3Yb6o3kIprMOuxQQg1YVvtaJsrmVyffuutAvgkKqjJ FlO8xvLKBD6yclXLJWmZEZBl1EBjwwxItWadmpaVIXMIntKdMkw.iIOYi.9. c3_2hjrkT28hPCjSaV6pYyDztyU1rDiFl_JqBi_oukGZ1s7dY9axcjFQr5Yl RyrMk3KTU3Clt Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:20:28 PDT SSB3b25kZXIgaWYgeW91IGhhdmUgdGhlIGZvbGxvd2luZyB1c2VkIHBhcnRzIGZvciA2NiBNSzFBDQrCoA0KVGhyb3R0bGUgY2FibGUgYnJhY2tldCB0aGF0IG1vdW50IG9uIHRvcCBvZiBibG9jayBieSBmaXJld2FsbC4NClRoZSBibG9jayBmaXR0aW5nIHRoYXQgYWNjZXB0cyB0aGUgY29uZSBzaGFwZWQgZW5kIGZvciB0aGUgb2lsIHByZXNzdXJlIGxpbmUuDQpJcyB0aGVyZSBhIGJyYWNrZXQgb24gdGhlIGZyb250IG9mIHRoZSBlbmdpbmUgdGhhdCBob2xkcyB0aGUgdGhyb3R0bGUgcmV0dXJuIHNwcmluZyABMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 09:20:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Parts Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I wonder if you have the following used parts for 66 MK1A Throttle cable bracket that mount on top of block by firewall. The block fitting that accepts the cone shaped end for the oil pressure line. Is there a bracket on the front of the engine that holds the throttle return spring - need that too. Is there a brand and part number of 'Hammertone Grey" that is correct? I see Rustoleum Light grey 7384 or dark 7388 - any ideas? Thanks Joel Martin 910-715-1967 days 910-673-7876 nights _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 18:55:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2104257E for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 18:55:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20F040433 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 18:55:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ownerHP ([unknown] [98.117.211.51]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMR00D7CJRN7110@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 13 May 2013 19:52:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: References: Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 20:52:33 -0400 Thread-index: AQFDX94xFuYnfMtcldtbFx+O/tN+CJoZt0ew Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 147 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, The ignition switch is avail from Sunbeam Specialties, I think I got one a couple years ago..A failed switch is a "You Walk" in the some cases..Suggest after you rpl it that you relay a few of the circuits so that the switch is not carrying the full electrical load of the fuel pump, ignition and other accessories.....every british car needs this done, the switches are overloaded and can't handle the loads overtime, Clyde -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tigers-request@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 2:00 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 147 Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. To fix the ignition switch (Jay Laifman) 2. Re: To fix the ignition switch ( Ron Fraser) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 22:32:17 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: [Tigers] To fix the ignition switch I've done the various tests to confirm that it is the ignition switch that is not allowing enough power to get to the starter solenoid. I searched the archives and found some comments like "find a way to open it up and clean the contacts." But, I never found anyone say that was actually possible. I saw others that said when the switch goes it has to be replaced - with no mention of repair. I guess I'll pull it off the car tomorrow anyway and see if there is anything obvious about pulling it open. I did see posts about putting the key in and using a paperclip or something in some hole to remove the barrel so that the key can be used in a replacement switch. I hope this is still possible. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 08:53:37 -0400 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jay Laifman'" , Subject: Re: [Tigers] To fix the ignition switch Jay There are 3 swaged spots on the aluminum body. They would have to be carefully pried away from the back of the switch to get at the contacts. The aluminum body is keyed to the back of the switch so rotating the aluminum body if the 3 swaged spots get ruined would take making a new notch and drilling a new hole. I have never tried any of this so I don't know if it would work. There is a hole in the aluminum body to allow barrel removal. Put the key in and to the OFF position, look into the hole; you will see another round hole in the black part with brass color in the center, push on the brass with a paper clip, pull the barrel out of the switch. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 1:32 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Den Subject: [Tigers] To fix the ignition switch I've done the various tests to confirm that it is the ignition switch that is not allowing enough power to get to the starter solenoid. I searched the archives and found some comments like "find a way to open it up and clean the contacts." But, I never found anyone say that was actually possible. I saw others that said when the switch goes it has to be replaced - with no mention of repair. I guess I'll pull it off the car tomorrow anyway and see if there is anything obvious about pulling it open. I did see posts about putting the key in and using a paperclip or something in some hole to remove the barrel so that the key can be used in a replacement switch. I hope this is still possible. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tigers mailing list Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers End of Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 147 ************************************** _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 08:58:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B17B4041F for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 08:58:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.155]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42552403D3 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 08:56:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY172-W42 ([65.54.190.189]) by bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 14 May 2013 07:53:34 -0700 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Tigers Den Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 10:53:34 -0400 References: FILETIME=[CEFE34D0:01CE50B2] Subject: [Tigers] Autometer 8k tachometer made to match Tiger gauges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Gentlemen, Although I have sold my Tiger, I still am regularly getting requests for gauge work and lettering so I thought I would advertise my services a little bit...since I always seem to be short on cash in this economy. lol If you have a donor tach (Tiger or Alpine), I can reface the gauge face for you then all you need to do is to buy the proper Autometer Cobra Series tach. I will provide instructions on what you need to do to combine both gauges into one. If you dont want to do any of the work yourself you can send me both tachometers and I will do it all for you. Its a great way to upgrade your car and to get the tachometer at a reasonable cost for people who want to do-it-themselves (my Ebay auctions have sold for a good amount $$$ and not everyone can afford that or want to spend that much on a completed tach). Also keep in mind any gauge (other British cars also) can be restored cosmetically or customized to your tastes. I have set up a webpage, with more details and the cost, it can be found here... http://www.breuhan.com/Sunbeam.html Any feedback (good or bad is welcome), I tried to make the page simple and understandable. I am not planning on doing a lot of gauges (or advertising) its expensive and time consuming (I do work full time), but if I can help anyone out (and keep my own classic car on the road) then I feel pretty good about that. I dont plan on bombarding the mailing list with this so please pass the information on to anyone who might be interested. If you have any questions please feel free to email me...I was trying to keep this email short and to the point. Thanks...I hope all is well with everybody...and Tiger on! Paul _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 16:58:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC1240432 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 16:58:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s24.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s24.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC484032A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 16:58:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY175-W10 ([65.54.190.189]) by bay0-omc3-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 14 May 2013 15:55:20 -0700 From: Karl Adey To: The LIST Post Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 18:55:20 -0400 FILETIME=[1C47AF80:01CE50F6] Subject: [Tigers] Brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yep, another post about the brake system. I've read countless pages on the Tiger brake system, but still seem stymied. I'm building a mostly stock tiger, with a mild mannered 260 meant to be a weekender. Can't say I'll always stick to the speed limit, but I don't plan on pushing it too hard. Stock cast heads, intake, manifolds etc should lead to a front heavy car. I'm bypassing the servo to save myself the headache and am building a manual brake system aimed at reliability and ease of use.I'll be using Tom Hall's 6:1 brake pedal with the Wilwood dual MC that he set me up with. Other than that, it will be a stock system. Rebuilt stock calipers in front, stock drums in the rear. I'll hope to eventually be running Panasport Minilite 15" rims, 6" in front, 7" in rear (in the vicinity of 195 front and 205 rear). I have run this plan by several knowledgeable Tiger experts, and they all say that with a set of Carbon Kevlar pads this system should do me just fine.However, being the perfectionist I am, I wanted to double check and see if i need to over build this thing... Which brings us to my question: I'm very curious about if I need a metering valve, a check valve or a portioning valve in the system I'm building. I'm tempted to put a combination valve in the system, but I'm wondering if it's just too much. Also, I'm a bit confused about what fluid to use in this system. Thoughts? Comments, questions and concerns more than welcome.Thanks,KarlB9470519 Mk1 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 17:36:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2D040444 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:36:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13064040A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:36:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130514233324.URUV8908.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:33:24 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([68.6.147.111]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id bzZP1l00j2QSDzY01zZQV1; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:33:24 -0400 a=vCAN4TNpymDLnQuROd7hUQ==:17 a=-TtDL2fbfKMA:10 a=nJF1FyKYTJoA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=ZTcGn-AcA_YA:10 a=PblKRNs7qelnjJYo9VUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=vCAN4TNpymDLnQuROd7hUQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 16:33:26 -0700 From: David Sosna User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Autometer 8k tachometer made to match Tiger gauges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Paul: Just wanted to say that I went to your website and your work looks AMAZING!!! Almost makes me wish I still had an LBC that needs gauge work--and, of course, a bit more disposable income. :-) Best Regards David Sosna Sunbeamless, but still lurking On 05/14/2013 07:53 AM, Paul R. Breuhan wrote: > Hello Gentlemen, > Although I have sold my Tiger, I still am regularly getting requests for gauge > work and lettering so I thought I would advertise my services a little > bit...since I always seem to be short on cash in this economy. lol > > If you have a donor tach (Tiger or Alpine), I can reface the gauge face for > you then all you need to do is to buy the proper Autometer Cobra Series tach. > I will provide instructions on what you need to do to combine both gauges into > one. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 17:44:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED71F40432 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:44:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E531D4040A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:44:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130514234123.MTIF29932.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:41:23 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([68.6.147.111]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id bzhN1l00F2QSDzY01zhN5y; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:41:22 -0400 a=vCAN4TNpymDLnQuROd7hUQ==:17 a=-TtDL2fbfKMA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=ynCd4P_HTnQA:10 a=kiXApcC6xh4kJWDGQ7wA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=vCAN4TNpymDLnQuROd7hUQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 16:41:24 -0700 From: David Sosna User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: 'Tiger list' Subject: [Tigers] Well, that was weird Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry about that. I was sending a reply to list complimenting Paul on his awesome work, with only a little bit of the original e-mail for reference. Not sure why his entire original e-mail came through with none of my verbiage..... Anyway Paul, your work looks really great! Best Regards David Sosna Sunbeamless in San Diego _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 20:36:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD27F40426 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:36:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f172.google.com (mail-qc0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25AFC40075 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:36:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id z1so175194qcx.3 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:33:21 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UWh5vHkzYldfBfhoP+mIvYvmvQvwgENh/BcW85EaP1s=; b=aI/y870wky4Zd4+PbBiFIeo0wygzHIn83D7F65aRlBccBPalAiIwfw89VJT9+bBucx XL/Mc/uWu+8d1t62eyNIe94QwoS86ccnjRKvYi/8IBwCQkxTU0WFHJa9MlX5u3YQNIw+ 7nQlSAKs84C3WtjhgYzIueEfuaI/OOnOYIAxJJQ8E/mPNAWpzspERPD2FQr/uyfWtd8F 4x5kjaEJ2jup3ISnFtcdIUCWTJCJ2ffq77fWceVjM2r9cdaImJVqb/vBNJoEPpC2Ck0T pfU0zKoYpFWuDEyz+v9AeT/TC8L9qtvjiq6FH1DG8pOsH0Pxtzeo49kKZJcCXlRAw0wq OCAQ== r5mr29893184qed.48.1368585201404; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.59.11 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 22:33:21 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: LIST TIGER Subject: [Tigers] Brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In response to Karl Adey's post, some thoughts on brakes and some observations based on experience. Regarding the dual master cylinder, no practical experience. The dual Wilwood, if memory serves, has something like a 1" diameter bore. This may cause braking issues with the stock Tiger brakes. I haven't done it, so I have no practical experience. First the proportioner: I'd suggest using one because you want the bulk of the braking to be on the front brakes. Granted the rear drum brakes are somewhat anemic, but you may find some handling issues with too much pressure to the rear. Again, I haven't done it, so I'm speculating. What I did do was bypass the Girling booster - out of necessity - using the stock Lucas 7/8" bore single master cylinder. The pedal feel was so hard the car - to me - was almost undrivable. I ended up buying a 3/4" bore master cylinder from C.A.T. which worked well. When I reinstalled the Girling I stayed with the 3/4" bore master; the braking is, imho, excellent. A much better feel than the 7/8" bore cylinder. When Tim Suddard wrote about the Wilwood brake conversion in Classic Motorsports I had some conversation with Wilwood management on the conversion. I'm told the Wilwood masters are designed for use with Wilwood calipers front and (preferably) rear. They have a lot more volume, I'm told, than the stock front Tiger calipers, and certainly a lot more volume than the single piston rear brake cylinders. Summit Racing carries the Wilwood front brake kits for the Tiger. Dale A. sells rear disk brake kits. My point: the Wilwood dual master cylinders may be overkill for the stock Tiger braking system. As a result the pedal feel may be really really hard. Tom '67 Mark 2 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 20:57:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6430A40422 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:57:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F6D40078 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:57:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id c2pu1l0011GXsucA52uc4u; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:54:36 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id c2ub1l00m2yr1eL8U2ubwE; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:54:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 02:54:35 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Tom Parker s=q20121106; t=1368586476; bh=IFJ1NrXd9037unPhIOyVdbUWQH+c2+hu61JWUbmKJIU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=c13d1O7EqUmUGWtOh0S5HEnPSw/2Htm6zJcATEF42FVDpZLLa/tyw35vMrfzI9kgF I9fV8/dOSkFEsV2n1ekFL+VDH7j+M8NxbgSAna2gqjcOzLJWff4lRCmyGmCJZxjZZp DlsSiCF4dbSYMJlCnzkLDzBG5DpFkunJunQNcGp4qR3FgIlJNpbJIDo7/iO7SS+hj0 xaOH5rD6WVOMMRk0QN37G6g/lyysseSoXAn3G7pZq/OdpxkwFnCJeHmpkUdALrjsaJ geJcomMS9bmESLPY68IsRtD1BEqYiLT8Ydc16KPXX6ph80FDvGnWp1qp224AmVzCKZ 2J00rZFtSGZgQ== Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Regarding a proportioning valve, I would delay a decision until after the brake changes, whatever they may be, are installed. Test the system and see if front or rear lock up first. Put 4 white shoe polish stripes on the tire sidewall, equally spaced, front and rear on one side. In some deserted parking lot, get the car up to about 30+ mph and hit the brakes hard to lock them while some one is watching/or filming the test. You do not want the rears to lock up first as a sliding tire has less traction than a rolling one. If you decide to put in a proportioning valve, remember that it is a detuning device. It lowers the effectiveness of the better performing brakes to be more in keeping with the lesser performing brakes for better balance. Were it me, I would try to upgrade the lesser performing end to be more in keeping with the better performing end for better overall performance. You do that by using different brake pads, shoes. With the stock system on my car, I am very happy with Hawk HP pads in the front and Porterfield custom relined shoes in the back using vintage racing shoe lining. The Hawk HP pads do "dust" a lot, but that is a small price to pay for how well they work. If you go to something like the Hawk pads, be sure to break them in properly. My 2 cents. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Parker" To: "LIST TIGER" Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 9:33:21 PM Subject: [Tigers] Brakes In response to Karl Adey's post, some thoughts on brakes and some observations based on experience. Regarding the dual master cylinder, no practical experience. The dual Wilwood, if memory serves, has something like a 1" diameter bore. This may cause braking issues with the stock Tiger brakes. I haven't done it, so I have no practical experience. First the proportioner: I'd suggest using one because you want the bulk of the braking to be on the front brakes. Granted the rear drum brakes are somewhat anemic, but you may find some handling issues with too much pressure to the rear. Again, I haven't done it, so I'm speculating. What I did do was bypass the Girling booster - out of necessity - using the stock Lucas 7/8" bore single master cylinder. The pedal feel was so hard the car - to me - was almost undrivable. I ended up buying a 3/4" bore master cylinder from C.A.T. which worked well. When I reinstalled the Girling I stayed with the 3/4" bore master; the braking is, imho, excellent. A much better feel than the 7/8" bore cylinder. When Tim Suddard wrote about the Wilwood brake conversion in Classic Motorsports I had some conversation with Wilwood management on the conversion. I'm told the Wilwood masters are designed for use with Wilwood calipers front and (preferably) rear. They have a lot more volume, I'm told, than the stock front Tiger calipers, and certainly a lot more volume than the single piston rear brake cylinders. Summit Racing carries the Wilwood front brake kits for the Tiger. Dale A. sells rear disk brake kits. My point: the Wilwood dual master cylinders may be overkill for the stock Tiger braking system. As a result the pedal feel may be really really hard. Tom '67 Mark 2 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 22:08:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D59440433 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 22:08:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-pocinrl09.gannett.com (ent-pocinrl09.gannett.com [167.8.66.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 031F240066 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 22:08:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ENT-POCEXHUB06.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.30.0.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-pocinrl09.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECFFF00FC; Wed, 15 May 2013 00:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXHC01.us.ad.gannett.com (172.20.1.47) by ENT-POCEXHUB06.us.ad.gannett.com (172.30.0.75) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.264.0; Wed, 15 May 2013 00:05:53 -0400 Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::5d98:601a:f044:d018]) by ENT-MOCEXHC01.us.ad.gannett.com ([172.20.1.47]) with mapi; Wed, 15 May 2013 00:05:53 -0400 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Tom Parker , LIST TIGER Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 00:05:51 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Brakes Thread-Index: Ac5RFJVA3OI5IjoARKahJvPMCruv7QADOH7A References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Parker Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:33 PM To: LIST TIGER Subject: [Tigers] Brakes In response to Karl Adey's post, some thoughts on brakes and some observations based on experience. Regarding the dual master cylinder, no practical experience. The dual Wilwood, if memory serves, has something like a 1" diameter bore. This may cause braking issues with the stock Tiger brakes. I haven't done it, so I have no practical experience. First the proportioner: I'd suggest using one because you want the bulk of the braking to be on the front brakes. Granted the rear drum brakes are somewhat anemic, but you may find some handling issues with too much pressure to the rear. Again, I haven't done it, so I'm speculating. What I did do was bypass the Girling booster - out of necessity - using the stock Lucas 7/8" bore single master cylinder. The pedal feel was so hard the car - to me - was almost undrivable. I ended up buying a 3/4" bore master cylinder from C.A.T. which worked well. When I reinstalled the Girling I stayed with the 3/4" bore master; the braking is, imho, excellent. A much better feel than the 7/8" bore cylinder. When Tim Suddard wrote about the Wilwood brake conversion in Classic Motorsports I had some conversation with Wilwood management on the conversion. I'm told the Wilwood masters are designed for use with Wilwood calipers front and (preferably) rear. They have a lot more volume, I'm told, than the stock front Tiger calipers, and certainly a lot more volume than the single piston rear brake cylinders. Summit Racing carries the Wilwood front brake kits for the Tiger. Dale A. sells rear disk brake kits. My point: the Wilwood dual master cylinders may be overkill for the stock Tiger braking system. As a result the pedal feel may be really really hard. Tom '67 Mark 2 _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 22:11:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE7A40433 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 22:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-pocinrl08.gannett.com (ent-pocinrl08.gannett.com [167.8.66.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC4B40066 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 22:10:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ENT-POCEXHUB05.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.30.0.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-pocinrl08.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA658147B43; Wed, 15 May 2013 00:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXHC02.us.ad.gannett.com (172.20.1.48) by ENT-POCEXHUB05.us.ad.gannett.com (172.30.0.226) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.264.0; Wed, 15 May 2013 00:07:59 -0400 Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::5d98:601a:f044:d018]) by ENT-MOCEXHC02.us.ad.gannett.com ([172.20.1.48]) with mapi; Wed, 15 May 2013 00:07:58 -0400 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Tom Parker , LIST TIGER Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 00:07:57 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Brakes Thread-Index: Ac5RFJVA3OI5IjoARKahJvPMCruv7QADO1dQ References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Doh! Sorry about the blank e-mail. I would suggest that you contact Dale. He has the engineering and development experience with these systems to answer your questions. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Parker Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:33 PM To: LIST TIGER Subject: [Tigers] Brakes In response to Karl Adey's post, some thoughts on brakes and some observations based on experience. Regarding the dual master cylinder, no practical experience. The dual Wilwood, if memory serves, has something like a 1" diameter bore. This may cause braking issues with the stock Tiger brakes. I haven't done it, so I have no practical experience. First the proportioner: I'd suggest using one because you want the bulk of the braking to be on the front brakes. Granted the rear drum brakes are somewhat anemic, but you may find some handling issues with too much pressure to the rear. Again, I haven't done it, so I'm speculating. What I did do was bypass the Girling booster - out of necessity - using the stock Lucas 7/8" bore single master cylinder. The pedal feel was so hard the car - to me - was almost undrivable. I ended up buying a 3/4" bore master cylinder from C.A.T. which worked well. When I reinstalled the Girling I stayed with the 3/4" bore master; the braking is, imho, excellent. A much better feel than the 7/8" bore cylinder. When Tim Suddard wrote about the Wilwood brake conversion in Classic Motorsports I had some conversation with Wilwood management on the conversion. I'm told the Wilwood masters are designed for use with Wilwood calipers front and (preferably) rear. They have a lot more volume, I'm told, than the stock front Tiger calipers, and certainly a lot more volume than the single piston rear brake cylinders. Summit Racing carries the Wilwood front brake kits for the Tiger. Dale A. sells rear disk brake kits. My point: the Wilwood dual master cylinders may be overkill for the stock Tiger braking system. As a result the pedal feel may be really really hard. Tom '67 Mark 2 _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 07:31:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595B740444 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 07:31:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3A540421 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 07:30:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cBSm1l0050xGWP855DTqhc; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:27:50 +0000 Received: from sz0225.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cDTp1l0202ymm843YDTpTA; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:27:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 13:27:49 +0000 (UTC) From: tym2@comcast.net To: Tiger's List s=q20121106; t=1368624470; bh=uUVhLQUGYnV7mcofvZuP1aUD0NXfWrF4iOh91Q2xsw8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=X6VycIeOYI5uDjRfbY8d9kmoFA61PST6WVLM68fUqvQGgCoMkzMR54lzOzGiT2eeJ y4SISCuu9fAcIlYfG8w1508CzXhrBp6Frn8e98QjR1GoK4boHF+qG4d7FVX9wxib0C Ln1vumf9QiCampzmqu31/sbM/lOca1PK09/drFzXYUKVX//BJ5s8aTZPtrVRNsCG5f S4NVyWRaEKFJCUyEumPfwdv24uu8diKE3J+YjM7vidwQOCNE2+Jp9MlJGnyllwoCxd Q2Y8wnA09rOUK3UnGaMLkDP1I6rTasviOHcI2PnPqv8mrhQ/3C7qjUmD3FVZ13sZYb cjDcXPv2E19Fg== Subject: [Tigers] Saturday, May 11th TAC Event Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tigers, On Saturday I brought my Tiger to the TAC event in Albany, New York. To my knowledge we have not had a TAC event in the New England area prior to this event. There were six or seven Tiger owners present with their cars. The weather did not cooperate and it poured on and off all day. I was thankful that I trailered my car from Western Massachusetts. However, the weather could not put a damper on the event or the camaraderie shared by the owners. I got to meet many whom I only know by name from "The List." It was great to meet these people face-to-face. As a car collector I have found Tiger owners to be especially great/helpful people. Anyway, my reason for writing is to thank the three (3) Inspectors, especially Rande Bellman, for putting the TAC event together. Tom, the Senior Inspector and another (I didn't get his name) flew in from Baltimore for the event. It was a most worthwhile day. These people are some dedicated Tiger enthusiasts! Tym McDowell _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 07:37:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B4440434 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 07:37:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15E340421 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 07:37:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id lf11so1803282vcb.12 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 06:34:16 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=3Ql8oD0kWVnZx4HxMoWpyD5LFCZW2A5vcrf/kcR6iQ4=; b=Rd/NjkFOn83WGV3T8Ur8AB9stp0s6EuqcpOQ3WRmxGD5JzDxyYfGnKICc6GbTXbMb2 7EmlZcKZmcnLRPeLesm4qopfK2r41pW3N6v/IA9dnKEqDGmFO9BobKqL5Nq6c3NYv5Gt LMbpmUwwf/FXGedeqSBhce+sP6PZ53jSHoRuFqhlkbb54mHYdFeFkDa51zbfFnsbHXWb S55IUvqsnFQY4MheBzkzQek5+tkmCWNhm7lzhm2TBJgI0I/jvzbSSBeTFQ9Jx8FssB1r FzUJmXHVdGge+AFTNK/RxNelkknE+Ypqm9/A5VJ2WPEFGJfInyy/JxkyrfHTq1OEuolG UVsA== ye2mr24759974vec.35.1368624856506; Wed, 15 May 2013 06:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.234.129 with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2013 06:34:16 -0700 (PDT) References: <1783824176.958583.1368623689091.JavaMail.root@sz0225a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <75183125.959077.1368624469922.JavaMail.root@sz0225a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 09:34:16 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: Tym McDowell Cc: Tiger's List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Saturday, May 11th TAC Event Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I couldn't have put it better. Very well organized and great to meet a few other owners and see their lovely cars. I very much appreciate the work, time and effort put in by Rande and the other inspectors on what turned into an extremely wet day! On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:27 AM, wrote: > Tigers, > > > On Saturday I brought my Tiger to the TAC event in Albany, New York. To my > knowledge we have not had a TAC event in the New England area prior to this > event. > > > There were six or seven Tiger owners present with their cars. The weather > did not cooperate and it poured on and off all day. I was thankful that I > trailered my car from Western Massachusetts. However, the weather could not > put a damper on the event or the camaraderie shared by the owners. > > > I got to meet many whom I only know by name from "The List." It was great > to meet these people face-to-face. As a car collector I have found Tiger > owners to be especially great/helpful people. > > > Anyway, my reason for writing is to thank the three (3) Inspectors, > especially Rande Bellman, for putting the TAC event together. Tom, the > Senior Inspector and another (I didn't get his name) flew in from Baltimore > for the event. It was a most worthwhile day. These people are some > dedicated Tiger enthusiasts! > > > > > Tym McDowell > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 08:27:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4879A40515 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 08:27:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829FC40426 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 08:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AE5A670043E5E; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mle003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.208]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8BEEEE000081; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:24:24 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 10:24:24 -0400 (EDT) To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com, tym2@comcast.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368627866; bh=xU5BiValZVKK/SZ4qDFMrceKBvMP35Vb0m4nei5S84o=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=M3c5fEjBa8eQ+T5wvzDR07h8/I3cZMKUAUt1Ssk//thjRd9Lom5G+sCjXgFGqN3Li GQDXtjvVvaoSZlHl4RnVABJ1iczpPnP+gOE0HiPIlGgeMGG72rowE8I6tBh9ciazet KuxWy314phdefFlNPjGrsEzHRBUyiy82Kkh0/faY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d51939a9872be Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Saturday, May 11th TAC Event Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with all that's been said on the TAC event. Was great to have one this far north....I've been waiting 10+ yrs. to get TACed. And as was mentioned, it's pretty impressive to have inspectors that are willing to fly in to do an event. I have some pictures and will get them posted on one of the sites when I can load them into my computer. Mark Lafayette In a message dated 5/15/2013 9:34:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owain.lloyd@gmail.com writes: I couldn't have put it better. Very well organized and great to meet a few other owners and see their lovely cars. I very much appreciate the work, time and effort put in by Rande and the other inspectors on what turned into an extremely wet day! On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:27 AM, wrote: > Tigers, > > > On Saturday I brought my Tiger to the TAC event in Albany, New York. To my > knowledge we have not had a TAC event in the New England area prior to this > event. > > > There were six or seven Tiger owners present with their cars. The weather > did not cooperate and it poured on and off all day. I was thankful that I > trailered my car from Western Massachusetts. However, the weather could not > put a damper on the event or the camaraderie shared by the owners. > > > I got to meet many whom I only know by name from "The List." It was great > to meet these people face-to-face. As a car collector I have found Tiger > owners to be especially great/helpful people. > > > Anyway, my reason for writing is to thank the three (3) Inspectors, > especially Rande Bellman, for putting the TAC event together. Tom, the > Senior Inspector and another (I didn't get his name) flew in from Baltimore > for the event. It was a most worthwhile day. These people are some > dedicated Tiger enthusiasts! > > > > > Tym McDowell > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 09:07:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6436140442 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 09:07:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s15.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s15.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2527040426 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 09:06:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU169-W126 ([65.55.116.74]) by blu0-omc3-s15.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 15 May 2013 08:03:28 -0700 From: Brent Edinger To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 08:03:27 -0700 FILETIME=[5B3A6AC0:01CE517D] Subject: [Tigers] Brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The current setup on my car is the Willwood front calipers with the 6:1 pedal and a 13/16" Datsun dual master cyl and no booster. It's the best set up I have tried. I found the 3/4" master had good feel but too much travel especially with the 6:1 pedal. I ran the 3/4" with the pedal and the stock front calipers for a while but wasn't happy with it. Brent _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 10:09:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF9640510 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:09:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D51140416 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 627F47004C0C8 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 12:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mle003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.208]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 26D92E000082 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 12:04:24 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 12:04:24 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368633864; bh=oCYVqgNZxeVJ+lbSQGyk+PgdgjqE+uNX7yuWDy3n7vo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PoVyxlnJOI+lNBexEZNq6nWup0Dx22zcrl7gShBC8RTPRhUMh/5KmwYwpYDv6lxPd DSZWOybi/isBmQie2kD8ZzVt/cXUd1pryMbxrJ+1Oo2UDWUadegSAgcBNPJMuwqrEP XJZm/f96Zyoqxuh9TCNlOiHZdhAUM/KnTGeibABQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29095193b208751c Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers - TAC and Albany Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is being forwarded to the list at the request of Rande B. Mark L ____________________________________ From: snakebit289@yahoo.com To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com CC: CoolVT@aol.com Sent: 5/15/2013 12:00:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Tigers - TAC and Albany Guys, Sorry to respond so late, my subscription to tigers@autox sends me the postings, but doesn't allow my postings to it to be seen, probably due to one of my isp's changing their email app in the last week to something that autox doesn't now recognize. Tried to send the following earlier this week but I'll be glad to resend now: Thanks to Mark Lafayette, Owain Lloyd, Jeff Randall, Don Antilla, John Miller III, George Re, and Tym McDowell for ignoring the weather forecast and making every attempt to bring their cars to Albany last Saturday. Thanks for being patient when we had to take cars out of turn in order to meet deadlines for some inspectee's who could not stay long. Thanks to Tom Calvert (who suggested the hotel site and was spot on about how well we would be treated) and Ronnie Silber from Maryland who both gave up a restful Saturday to fly into and out of Albany in the span of five hours. And as has been brought up before, thanks to all for giving us the opportunity to put a face to the email address on the Tiger list. It was great fun, Rande Bellman (PS - Mark - could you resend this to the Tiger list for me, please) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 10:11:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11C34055D for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og117.obsmtp.com (exprod5og117.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E8B40416 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:10:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpmlip13.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.5.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob117.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUZOy2oRyc1Ie33MO4EUG8yWB4eRXDM/p@postini.com; Wed, 15 May 2013 09:08:01 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO cinmlef12.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.213.59]) by alpmlip13.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 15 May 2013 12:07:53 -0400 Received: from alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.18.12]) by cinmlef12.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 15 May 2013 12:07:52 -0400 Received: from cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.50]) by alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 15 May 2013 12:07:45 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA11.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.40) by cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.136.1; Wed, 15 May 2013 12:07:39 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.26]) by CINMBCNA11.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.5.206]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 15 May 2013 12:07:39 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: Tom Parker , LIST TIGER Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Brakes Thread-Index: AQHOURS7cVYPazmP80ypuezxzlQRTpkGUgCA Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 16:07:39 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.191] FILETIME=[568976C0:01CE5186] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tom, I have been running high horsepower Tigers with the following: No Booster Master cylinder = 0.700" bore from Alpine Series I-III Front Discs = stock Front calipers = stock Girling P16 Front pads = Street: Hawk Performance HB169F.560 HPS Performance Ceramic Brake Pad (HTR200 street tires) Front Pads = Track Days: Hawk HP Plus Sport/Track dual purpose front pads HB169N.560 (Hoosier R6 Track tires) Rear Shoes: Street compound Rear Wheel Cylinders = 7/8" bore from Series I-III When I went to the higher friction material pads up front, it was obvious that the rears were barely working, so by using the older Series I-III wheel cylinders I generate a little more force out back but still retain balance. Swapping ends in a Tiger is all too easy at speed, you want your brake system balanced and easy to modulate. I was doing a few track days a year but have not recently, the HP Plus pads work well for open tracks like Nelson's, I could go a full 30 minute session without significant fade. Tracks like Beaverun and Summit work your brakes harder and fade usually sets in after five or so laps, but was manageable. This brake system setup requires a little more up-keep, you have to keep the rears adjusted right on the edge to avoid excess pedal travel. I'm not road racing so I do not need the ultimate system as that would make the car unsuitable for street use. Go to http://www.porterfield-brakes.com and search Sunbeam Tiger, they list many brake and shoe compounds from Hawk, EBC and Ferodo, plus they can re-line your rears with race compound material. I still use 13" wheels so I am restricted as to what I can do for an upgrade. When the last of my 13" tire stock is gone I'll go the whole wheel/brake/hydraulic upgrade. My experience indicates the stock brake disc/drum setup without a booster using the smaller master cylinder and modern friction material should give you plenty of street stopping power short of adding an ABS system...now wouldn't that be an interesting project? Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Parker Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:33 PM To: LIST TIGER Subject: [Tigers] Brakes In response to Karl Adey's post, some thoughts on brakes and some observations based on experience. Regarding the dual master cylinder, no practical experience. The dual Wilwood, if memory serves, has something like a 1" diameter bore. This may cause braking issues with the stock Tiger brakes. I haven't done it, so I have no practical experience. First the proportioner: I'd suggest using one because you want the bulk of the braking to be on the front brakes. Granted the rear drum brakes are somewhat anemic, but you may find some handling issues with too much pressure to the rear. Again, I haven't done it, so I'm speculating. What I did do was bypass the Girling booster - out of necessity - using the stock Lucas 7/8" bore single master cylinder. The pedal feel was so hard the car - to me - was almost undrivable. I ended up buying a 3/4" bore master cylinder from C.A.T. which worked well. When I reinstalled the Girling I stayed with the 3/4" bore master; the braking is, imho, excellent. A much better feel than the 7/8" bore cylinder. When Tim Suddard wrote about the Wilwood brake conversion in Classic Motorsports I had some conversation with Wilwood management on the conversion. I'm told the Wilwood masters are designed for use with Wilwood calipers front and (preferably) rear. They have a lot more volume, I'm told, than the stock front Tiger calipers, and certainly a lot more volume than the single piston rear brake cylinders. Summit Racing carries the Wilwood front brake kits for the Tiger. Dale A. sells rear disk brake kits. My point: the Wilwood dual master cylinders may be overkill for the stock Tiger braking system. As a result the pedal feel may be really really hard. Tom '67 Mark 2 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark.rense@ge.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 11:41:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FB84044D for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 11:41:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD014006E for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 11:39:30 -0600 (MDT) a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:17 a=253cKie21zsA:10 a=nWZo5VSqEgYA:10 a=BfCbxpIPz18A:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=iWiNI_QAF5gA:10 a=qJi2QDmI0RQK4X9fitkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:117 Received: from [72.224.119.118] ([72.224.119.118:64703] helo=[192.168.1.114]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 72/43-11869-4A7C3915; Wed, 15 May 2013 17:36:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 13:36:37 -0400 From: Tod Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Dr. T. Y. McDowell" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Saturday, May 11 TAC Event Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tym McDowell writes, "To my knowledge we have not had a TAC event in the New England area prior to this event." In fact, there was a TAC Event at the TE/AE United in Rockland, Maine in 2010 at which time several Tigers, including my own, were TACed. I realize Maine is a long way from Western Mass. but it is usually included in New England and was, in fact, a part of Massachusetts until 1820 when it was admitted to the Union as a part of the Missouri Compromise. Interestingly, the first permanent European settlement in New England was established by the French at Castine, Maine, in 1613, seven years prior to the Plymouth Colony. Cheers, Tod Brown Warren, Maine B382002384LRXFE TAC #864 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 16:19:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256A040439 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 16:19:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903474009A for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 16:17:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (50-196-144-237-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.196.144.237]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r4FMESlr008584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:14:28 -0700 From: John Stithem Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 15:14:27 -0700 References: To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net With the dual master cylinder set up - how are most people running the brake lines? When you run separate lines for front and back brakes -It seems you can't use the stock set up with the lines going to the splitter valve. The next question - if you are not using the splitter valve - what are you doing in place of the pressure activated brake light switch connected to the splitter? I am running the stock set up now but thinking of running the dual master cylinder for a little redundancy in the braking system should a front or rear line go bad. Thanks. John > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 18:55:20 -0400 > From: Karl Adey > To: The LIST Post > Subject: [Tigers] Brakes > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yep, another post about the brake system. I've read countless pages on the > Tiger brake system, but still seem stymied. I'm building a mostly stock > tiger, with a mild mannered 260 meant to be a weekender. Can't say I'll > always stick to the speed limit, but I don't plan on pushing it too hard. > Stock cast heads, intake, manifolds etc should lead to a front heavy car. I'm > bypassing the servo to save myself the headache and am building a manual brake > system aimed at reliability and ease of use.I'll be using Tom Hall's 6:1 brake > pedal with the Wilwood dual MC that he set me up with. Other than that, it > will be a stock system. Rebuilt stock calipers in front, stock drums in the > rear. I'll hope to eventually be running Panasport Minilite 15" rims, 6" in > front, 7" in rear (in the vicinity of 195 front and 205 rear). I have run > this plan by several knowledgeable Tiger experts, and they all say that with a > set of Carbon Kevlar pads this system should do me just fine.However, being > the perfectionist I am, I wanted to double check and see if i need to over > build this thing... Which brings us to my question: I'm very curious about if > I need a metering valve, a check valve or a portioning valve in the system I'm > building. I'm tempted to put a combination valve in the system, but I'm > wondering if it's just too much. Also, I'm a bit confused about what fluid to > use in this system. Thoughts? Comments, questions and concerns more than > welcome.Thanks,KarlB9470519 Mk1 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 16:40:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F329440442 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 16:40:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe003.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252AC400A5 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 16:40:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail53-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.234) by TX2EHSOBE002.bigfish.com (10.9.40.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 15 May 2013 22:37:46 +0000 Received: from mail53-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail53-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D155200775; Wed, 15 May 2013 22:37:46 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail53-tx2: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail53-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail53-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1368657464339365_6774; Wed, 15 May 2013 22:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS032.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.225]) by mail53-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418BC22006D; Wed, 15 May 2013 22:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by TX2EHSMHS032.bigfish.com (10.9.99.132) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 15 May 2013 22:37:41 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com (10.2.1.219) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Wed, 15 May 2013 17:37:48 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.214]) by OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.1.219]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 15 May 2013 17:37:40 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: John Stithem , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Brakes Thread-Index: AQHOUbmQX7ccWkhJ1UaXO13iDrsr7pkG1Eng Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 22:37:39 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi John, On mine I split the front line at the left front crossmember to frame mount and I have a crossover pipe running to the right in the standard place on the crossmember. The rear line follows the standard routing but I split it at the rear bulkhead (just ahead of where the fuel pump mounts on the Mk1/Mk1A) and then run hard line to just ahead of the rear axle and then have a flex line going to each caliper (I also have rear disc brakes). A more conventional setup would be to run a single hard line to the rear, flex line to the axle, a splitter on the axle tube and then separate lines running to each rear drum. I have a microswitch actuated off the brake pedal arm to activate the brake lights. I used a switch I got at Radio Shack but you'd do better with a proper automotive brake switch that you can get at the autowreckers. Theo ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 20:26:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F056D40448 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 20:26:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f44.google.com (mail-qe0-f44.google.com [209.85.128.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF65D40408 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 20:24:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f44.google.com with SMTP id s14so1678041qeb.31 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 19:21:28 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ZQ3AGcaj/uYL9eoN90pYYOXJMzAoYIkMrZ5TaORCNiU=; b=XYgAbCSP0QLb4J/AwhTZf6Uzcs94z4/y6mCLHM8PuOpyvNy6DHtW633SQ89LqIS0d0 q7Zgt/Jf6TRbJxuNa5e25uKZ9qWvRGxbscGoSDKg1wZ7SBA1pGAO/jU2C6I7rcCj2EwL cXgiMe43WfxQ0dAQvN181brVXdvSyuM5n7GqPoJjzd1/uJeC9Kg0gw25Ybg/EbnhuoHO 4cO58KQrPfF70PpGg1lhIIpst8LEEwhAnOe9kNrAFmi4Evf0RXqC3RPDA400KWR0NLta zPGRZpueqHDstgDqjgM7XU19ZAmkPEjF0T4yAyPK9T6jVrH6hEylVbwyfp/oIcUWyIKv iwBw== fe20mr3384375qeb.59.1368670888498; Wed, 15 May 2013 19:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.232 with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2013 19:21:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <208f3.2c0038d0.3ec50c07@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 22:21:28 -0400 From: Jeffery Randall To: CoolVT@aol.com Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers - TAC and Albany Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Rande, You Guys are the best! Well done, nice bunch of folks, inspectors and owners, great job. look forward to the next time. Regards, Jeff On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:04 PM, wrote: > This is being forwarded to the list at the request of Rande B. > Mark L > > > ____________________________________ > From: snakebit289@yahoo.com > To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com > CC: CoolVT@aol.com > Sent: 5/15/2013 12:00:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time > Subj: Tigers - TAC and Albany > > > > Guys, > > > Sorry to respond so late, my subscription to tigers@autox sends me the > postings, but doesn't allow my postings to it to be seen, probably > due to one of my isp's changing their email app in the last week to > something that autox doesn't now recognize. Tried to send the following > earlier > this week > but I'll be glad to resend now: > > > Thanks to Mark Lafayette, Owain Lloyd, Jeff Randall, Don Antilla, John > Miller III, George Re, and Tym McDowell for ignoring the weather forecast > and > making every > attempt to bring their cars to Albany last Saturday. Thanks for being > patient when we had to take cars out of turn in order to meet deadlines > for > some inspectee's who > could not stay long. Thanks to Tom Calvert (who suggested the hotel site > and was spot on about how well we would be treated) and Ronnie Silber from > Maryland who > both gave up a restful Saturday to fly into and out of Albany in the span > of five hours. And as has been brought up before, thanks to all for giving > us the opportunity to > put a face to the email address on the Tiger list. > > > It was great fun, > > > Rande Bellman > > > > > (PS - Mark - could you resend this to the Tiger list for me, please) > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 20:34:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432114043F for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 20:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C883B4003E for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 20:33:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 55D467003F607 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 22:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mle003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.208]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E081BE000087 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 22:30:59 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 22:30:59 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368671460; bh=pN3m3L9WZ6olKfv5CPvdeuJbK/oknWKCHaln804Njtg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZExoJWIH1t4t2CQo8Iq1vqlR/THWn2G6cc0SXpdSln/rOE8YZGf4Rng9aWJRdUHUY WMTocDmk1rHhJjroDNLy+UH8LH4x/YsS9okNS3aFnBY3zKAzxWeDPswNYkusuczwGn 6fyoGc8AE7rlyyKxPYoWRb0jBMg9Yu4oC71Xleng= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e519444e337bb Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filters-Non Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone know of a method of decoding the numbers on an oil filter? I ask because with my Tiger I use the angled adapter with a filter used on a Ford Taurus. I have another Ford product with 4 cylinders that takes a shorter filter that appears to have the same diameter and thread size. The first 2 or 3 digits of the 2 filters are the same. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 06:29:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9888940518 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 06:29:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mx04.gis.net (mx04.gis.net [208.218.130.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605A840444 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 06:29:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.130.20]) by mx04.gis.net; Thu, 16 May 2013 08:26:23 -0400 From: "rande@thecia.net" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 08:26:23 -0400 Priority: normal Subject: [Tigers] test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net this is a test _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 09:26:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640B74051D for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 09:26:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mx04.gis.net (mx04.gis.net [208.218.130.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A79C4043B for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 09:25:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.130.20]) by mx04.gis.net; Thu, 16 May 2013 11:22:52 -0400 From: "rande@thecia.net" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 11:22:53 -0400 Priority: normal Subject: [Tigers] Tigers - thanks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Folks, thanks for getting back to me about the test. One prob down, one to fix. RB _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 12:20:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97AC40518 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 12:20:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s17.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s17.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3143B40397 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 12:20:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU169-W16 ([65.55.116.72]) by blu0-omc3-s17.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 16 May 2013 11:17:16 -0700 From: Brent Edinger To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 11:17:16 -0700 References: FILETIME=[98A24600:01CE5261] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 152 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net John, I just ran another line from the master to the original splitter block and connected the new line to the original rear brake line. Then I plugged the port in the splitter so it still uses the original brake light switch. I like to keep everything configured for easy return to original setup. Brent > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 15:14:27 -0700 > From: John Stithem > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brakes > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > With the dual master cylinder set up - how are most people running the brake > lines? > When you run separate lines for front and back brakes -It seems you can't use > the stock set up with the lines going to the splitter valve. > The next question - if you are not using the splitter valve - what are you > doing in place of the pressure activated brake light switch connected to the > splitter? > > I am running the stock set up now but thinking of running the dual master > cylinder for a little redundancy in the braking system should a front or rear > line go bad. > > Thanks. > > John > > ********* _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 13:03:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946814051D for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 13:03:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9804040F for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 13:03:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cg1z1l00C0Fqzac54j0mrk; Thu, 16 May 2013 19:00:46 +0000 Received: from sz0225.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cj0m1l01H2ymm843Uj0mZt; Thu, 16 May 2013 19:00:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:00:46 +0000 (UTC) From: tym2@comcast.net To: Tiger's List s=q20121106; t=1368730846; bh=UVgAWoQ2RKf7x9+GSJbyvREHFz9LT3F1VWlDGlwWNJY=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=BbORWT0ByKAwTrFsni2x+zOKZ9BCwa1vTELoiaPKr0YM2eehz0oIcs6vnExC9Z1te wNg+JLctjPoB88id9E6kjDp8WIWLLzSyKCeRC6VdjQHJKCWOlWukwCU+bMw3z/fBKu zCc7Oi6Nfi4iSIKxZRKyttztFA5Gmtye3z5ihAFFF+HqLfiuLvPYAXwqzUXj3iJakx zxxr0kVEn5ZnZVAFhxza226u47a1hfZzdYRO1h1akLEr45RHZWnxhg4O/2z0utPtKo bMP39/pH2Eb+47PzQobR2eH4fewdg8q2tG1MQWUtfNo2rcxI7pNeOtyeKEtY07fEDo I7to8J0CzoQUg== Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Auction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tigers, FYI - a nice looking MK1A, in Carnival Red, just sold for $50,000 at the Mecum Auction in Indy. Tym McDowell _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 18:31:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4F640515 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 18:31:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f52.google.com (mail-qa0-f52.google.com [209.85.216.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67B240417 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 18:30:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id bv4so91313qab.11 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 17:27:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=uf2UmnX5aA7tjNsraCxKUzyUtWtFK+01TsL2fZyE4FI=; b=opcroGecTxAG83SjdV0NKDN6IJ3nNA3Hx4UAhOFpKwgyl/D+p9qtx/SLcZT8dZYKso V2rgvqTtyhLSErFxhx2zwg6gMFl2tC1DiWzJ7cOXHbjOnEyIKx4Glpe3Pq8SHDzGyUdk WCS9xo692X8P/+6V39uP57ztUQB8fudow6Zn2N47ick8pA2O2xGJUsxuXG7ngzDIF3m1 651ZpvmfKLgLAvvy+oR3XEklNXqMF/K3lhFo1I2/DTd/6JQhEukEVoV871e3GeMunplH 7js05AaAnyo6FYdX5WEFFnv4viEhTCkGRACEUOTbThrGI2qELfmaDT3hDR41cxtSZ45Q wdkA== m8mr6239496qah.43.1368750458787; Thu, 16 May 2013 17:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.232 with HTTP; Thu, 16 May 2013 17:27:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <5194d06f.27b.5967.30904@thecia.net> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 20:27:38 -0400 From: Jeffery Randall To: rande Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Had this been a real Tiger emergecy...... On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:26 AM, rande@thecia.net wrote: > this is a test > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 18:34:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A0540527 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 18:34:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D3A40446 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 18:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868DEA0E4B for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 18:30:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 18:30:55 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" References: <5194d06f.27b.5967.30904@thecia.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jeffery Randall wrote: > Had this been a real Tiger emergecy...... > > LOL! mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 18:55:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4728040512 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 18:55:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC4E4044A for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 18:55:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id co191l00C1vXlb857osDLV; Fri, 17 May 2013 00:52:13 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cosD1l0180fu9Ni3dosDfE; Fri, 17 May 2013 00:52:13 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "Tiger Net" Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 20:52:07 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1368751933; bh=I/HU/DgpOOHgJKy7ltsUuEK+53q1XiWvsAfu7kHRp50=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=dH/B5REM+Cpwg3Kgc6aTtQu40i6wrX2HJVrQ329tPMkVXdI2nIroVkrumjoO/7YnP ogP2s4BplQA1L8mwbhT6vzFQPY7P3jsKE+8E0Jgjv5Z3CAJfwofG5Q2almABgL5Kz2 bOlfnl0o4AERIFk5jYJl/Tu+5QHpnL/htSLulCd9gStKD3VEi+413Jo94KBjD3FjTE MhePKt72LT46/+6/qBgrCeEzXXcJgOpKkksjd1esvaEUg3leRXc8Yyj3+hpZqGhVL0 RYxVMp8VYUQx8ewZgLRUDVOdEH3f3BpGixBk8Rl93dQGehG0KzHf38NCbD+EqF2JWJ qS54zPpfOtrSQ== Subject: [Tigers] Unusual Vapor Lock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I was headed up to the Bass cruise night at Gillette tonight. Temperature just under 80F, breezy, nice weather. I was waiting a light for less than a minute and suddenly I heard the fuel pump, a Facet in the stock location, vapor lock. Not a first, but Ibve never heard it do that in such benign conditions. It did it again as I crept around trying to work my way into a parking space. Usually the only time I get vapor lock is on a really hot day when I stop the engine, and try to restart just a couple minutes later, and it clears itself in a few seconds. Never while running. This was just the third time Ibve driven it this year, so Ibm still using last yearbs gas, the last purchase probably in November. And yes, I did add a stabilizer last fall. My question: Does relatively old gas like this tend to have more of a vaporization problem? Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 18:57:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3409540519 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 18:57:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBA64044A for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 18:57:07 -0600 (MDT) a=PS6KAoT6fM+xnV57C3kn/w==:17 a=z9oFgYFLy_oA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=9C6uuIoE0pIA:10 a=3DuZ3duS6gVYaMQHFc0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PS6KAoT6fM+xnV57C3kn/w==:117 Received: from [65.27.155.193] ([65.27.155.193:63721] helo=OwnerHP) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 61/83-22955-EAF75915; Fri, 17 May 2013 00:54:08 +0000 From: "Curt Hoffman" To: Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 20:54:01 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5SmHeodALjIzzfTfaoDoJGwUbCqg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Traction Masters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have a brand new set of Traction Masters for a Tiger. Sold my car and never put them on. Cost is around $130 new plus tax and shipping. I will sell for $75 plus shipping. They are heavy so will cost a few bucks to ship but I will box up and provide cost for anyone interested. I will go to Ebay in a week or so but wanted to see if anyone in group is interested. Curt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 17 07:35:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B045C40537 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 07:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A82403C5 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 07:34:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E2C12700480DC; Fri, 17 May 2013 09:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mla001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.79]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B2616E000086; Fri, 17 May 2013 09:30:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Carmods@aol.com Full-name: Carmods Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 09:30:01 -0400 (EDT) To: stubrennan@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368797401; bh=ANXEKa+qtjOvWTXHB621ThHCILC4AnmEwgcBWyeI1yk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OCAWPqQx3/HJRuZUaF1Tziq9Jli2bWHh6WlpxJ/3kuyEc7gDha/0Y+K/KJb4LfLra xVRjv5DyUq4YmbL8TCsHssKsPWdaxbOwyvNelWwtBnva4RpRZ59KYj2++ZFnOXUP0H +FLKO/knSQcecdZOt99vObb+q+Z+pCCUtuGJL+uo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a519630d92539 Subject: [Tigers] Unusual Vapor Lock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Stu, Next time you get vapor lock, pop the cap. If you hear air noise then the cap vent is probably clogged. John Logan I was waiting a light for less than a minute and suddenly I heard the fuel pump, a Facet in the stock location, vapor lock. Not a first, but Ibve never heard it do that in such benign conditions. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 17 08:08:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9C940533 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 08:08:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6916D403D3 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 08:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 22297 invoked from network); 17 May 2013 14:05:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (67.202.159.29) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 17 May 2013 14:05:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 07:04:39 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <5f6b1.49b140e.3ec78ad9@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Unusual Vapor Lock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. If the pump is close to the tank, and they are, then if it runs fast, it is not getting fuel to pump. Only two ways for that to happen: junk in the line between the tank and pump or vacuum in the tank. Since there is a tank breather hose that connects to the filler neck main hose, the cap would be the suspect preventing air from replacing fuel as it is removed from the tank causing a vacuum in the tanks. Vapor lock occurs from the pump forward. I had a Mercury Capri, a 1972, that started doing this and no one I took the car to could solve it. I finally drilled a 1/4 inch diameter hole in the gas cap...problem solved, although not an option for Sunbeams. Interesting also that if the tank was full, it would occur more often. That's because there was very little air in the tank an it wouldn't take long to create a vacuum. Nearly empty and it would run without issue because air cold slowly seep in to back fill the used fuel. mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 5/17/2013 6:30 AM, Carmods@aol.com wrote: > Stu, > > Next time you get vapor lock, pop the cap. If you hear air noise then the > cap vent is probably clogged. > > John Logan > > I was waiting a light for less than a minute and suddenly I heard the fuel > pump, a Facet in the stock location, vapor lock. Not a first, but Ibve > never heard it do that in such benign conditions. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 17 10:00:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C9A40527 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 10:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f53.google.com (mail-qe0-f53.google.com [209.85.128.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E04403D7 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 09:58:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f53.google.com with SMTP id cz11so2822879qeb.12 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 08:55:32 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ntgpw87YybiEeRRLm/L29bYjAAcDHh3bKm+YiyDu70c=; b=jIGQb6+p7b8vCl0ges/eD7ABoxjsAJRt7Q0qu1tldROoXrhajqh1pO99tG7HemAoQB TAvG2VpyApPsDq4MLStOjouaSn0dkcZ8mJfszWZoY6hStMLToIaheAEuknvUYu5pTIDX 7Fr4smZlaUkUQb/ESTnFIk1mMPVL6yBNIRXZofRia2qdn//Lcd3HQxLviE3LWct98Tt8 UsQv0LC4XO78FWqGe9wDhQCentwq7g/HfIj+5g/a+7s5Nf9CYZkK6YN4ZCepPxCHf159 EiKRwHI8KtIcV0Ajj1jGV6cOhdhe8Pj1Gi7DBo1EH1lmaPjKqEElkx2/8ZJ3KbWOo3gs L2bA== o10mr44448505qer.20.1368806132902; Fri, 17 May 2013 08:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.232 with HTTP; Fri, 17 May 2013 08:55:32 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 11:55:32 -0400 From: Jeffery Randall To: Stu Brennan Cc: Tiger Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Unusual Vapor Lock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like you may have a pick up issue, do you have a filter before the pump? Jeff On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Stu Brennan wrote: > I was headed up to the Bass cruise night at Gillette tonight. Temperature > just under 80F, breezy, nice weather. I was waiting a light for less than > a minute and suddenly I heard the fuel pump, a Facet in the stock location, > vapor lock. Not a first, but Ib ve never heard it do that in such benign > conditions. It did it again as I crept around trying to work my way into a > parking space. Usually the only time I get vapor lock is on a really hot > day when I stop the engine, and try to restart just a couple minutes later, > and it clears itself in a few seconds. Never while running. > > This was just the third time Ib ve driven it this year, so Ib m still > using last yearb s gas, the last purchase probably in November. And yes, I > did add a stabilizer last fall. > My question: Does relatively old gas like this tend to have more of a > vaporization problem? Has anyone else experienced anything like this? > > Stu ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/tigers/jefferyrandall@**gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 17 10:15:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0A740532 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 10:15:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B440403D7 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 10:13:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AF54E7004BE9A; Fri, 17 May 2013 12:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mle003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.208]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D4B5EE000086; Fri, 17 May 2013 12:10:48 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 12:10:48 -0400 (EDT) To: jefferyrandall@gmail.com, stubrennan@comcast.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368807049; bh=Ye8P3kohO98zBy6aZHA6GnTh7uwyeErNrtbGb8ZKW88=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ILr07jXeE/g91qHmiMylDPF/R7d1QMCIGbXZBei8fZMthhVN9/OiYZIC/8d4hbS7y rddCOadNrZVQWkfk2mBf8rVaX7kCIhg1YDKRnfhnXzIUplgeeEhY5VqBXVK6al7M7X NN6MgaOg2selfSMqUtgdQs8+5RiXIv1ZvLS9E7ck= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c85196568876c3 Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Unusual Vapor Lock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Usually the only time I get vapor lock is on a really hot > day when I stop the engine, and try to restart just a couple minutes later, > and it clears itself in a few seconds. Never while running. >From my experience it would be pretty unusual to get vapor lock with the engine running. My guess that your problem restarting on a hot day might not be vapor lock, but gas boiling over in the engine. This is easily solved with a carb heat spacer available from Summit. As others have mentioned, your problem probably isn't vapor lock but something to do with lack of fuel. Normally the stock fuel pump either works or doesn't and waiting a few minutes to restart wouldn't help the fuel pump. The one thing that can cause a car to stop and then be able to restart a few minutes later is foreign matter floating in the gas tanks. .....crud floats over the intake pickup, car shuts down. Crud floats away and allows a restart. If your tanks have never been cleaned and coated it's at least time to consider this. If it's not the problem this time, it will be later if you keep the car. Mark L _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 17 12:45:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2411840528 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 12:45:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61D5403D4 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 12:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo210 ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130517184156.GPEI5804.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo210> for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 14:41:56 -0400 Received: from eastrmwml214 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo210 with cox id d6hw1l00N4h0NJL016hwZE; Fri, 17 May 2013 14:41:56 -0400 a=aVtl6vZHzmnP/u0wz+HHRg==:17 a=SS_TkwGnc6QA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=NUC28jGdEwAA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=7FngEoHGxigA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=J5oXO8RSOE8aGx2kxw0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=aVtl6vZHzmnP/u0wz+HHRg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 15.211.201.83 by webmail.east.cox.net; Fri, 17 May 2013 14:41:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 11:41:56 -0700 From: To: Stu Brennan , Tiger Net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] Unusual Vapor Lock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Vapor lock is possible. Refineries change the blend of molecules in the gas depending on the season. Winter blend vaporizes more easily. Summer blend less so. Your November gas would be more susceptible to vapor lock than Summer blend. Erich ---- Stu Brennan wrote: > I was headed up to the Bass cruise night at Gillette tonight. Temperature > just under 80F, breezy, nice weather. I was waiting a light for less than a > minute and suddenly I heard the fuel pump, a Facet in the stock location, > vapor lock. Not a first, but Ibve never heard it do that in such benign > conditions. It did it again as I crept around trying to work my way into a > parking space. Usually the only time I get vapor lock is on a really hot > day when I stop the engine, and try to restart just a couple minutes later, > and it clears itself in a few seconds. Never while running. > > This was just the third time Ibve driven it this year, so Ibm still using > last yearbs gas, the last purchase probably in November. And yes, I did add > a stabilizer last fall. > My question: Does relatively old gas like this tend to have more of a > vaporization problem? Has anyone else experienced anything like this? > > Stu > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 17 13:11:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CBA40531 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 13:11:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF51403D7 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 13:11:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130517190825.OKFL14810.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 15:08:25 -0400 Received: from eastrmwml113 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id d78R1l0084h0NJL0178RV2; Fri, 17 May 2013 15:08:25 -0400 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:17 a=SS_TkwGnc6QA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=UyHOC7Gu_PIA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=7FngEoHGxigA:10 a=FBpYRhubGdcuxhw7twcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 204.61.12.74 by webmail.east.cox.net; Fri, 17 May 2013 15:08:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 15:08:25 -0400 From: To: Stu Brennan , Tiger Net , e.coiner@cox.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] Unusual Vapor Lock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Erich, et al: This happened to me on my Tiger a few years back. It was very confounding and caused me to expend considerable amounts of time trying to figure it out. In the end, however, the problem came down to a combination of having leftover winter-blend gas in the Tiger and me trying to drive it on a pretty warm late spring day and into the summer months. It spit, sputtered, died, left me on the side of the road until it cooled off, etc...all of this happened several times, while I was trying all of these different remedies being mentioned here to fix it. As it turned out, however, the problem went away when I drained the tank and refilled it with with fresh summer-blend fuel. The lesson that I took away from my situation was to always remember that the fuel that is refined nowadays is formulated for cars that run high-pressure fuel injection systems. Boiling fuel in a modern fuel injected car is unheard of anymore, but it seems to happen with alarming regularity now with carburetted cars of old where the fuel systems are under very little pressure. As time goes on, I think modern fuel formulas will play an increasingly significant role in the drivability of carburetted cars. Just my .02 worth... Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ---- e.coiner@cox.net wrote: > Vapor lock is possible. > > Refineries change the blend of molecules in the gas depending on the season. > Winter blend vaporizes more easily. Summer blend less so. > Your November gas would be more susceptible to vapor lock than Summer blend. > Erich _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 17 13:42:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACBB40528 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 13:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF47F40395 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 13:42:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id d7Yv1l0071swQuc537f7LX; Fri, 17 May 2013 19:39:07 +0000 Received: from sz0158.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id d7f71l0042ymm843b7f7hY; Fri, 17 May 2013 19:39:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 19:39:06 +0000 (UTC) From: To: e , Tiger , s=q20121106; t=1368819547; bh=vKFI6e6sefEXKXd5/z+jO6OsR6ALUfVFQ+8Qg+/V5uU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=cel9qvytMXYxBvEVQ3YyyLjtOk9linmsqa4gULjjlcRtNCgQquJHFApf9tRd/3vQ9 FhNEo+/CD9hwO4xHEqsLM1pEY4QmaLqunH2IBTp1hvK/m3bDGtGYA++95SGYm1meWL PmZdtf0SVqY+z+DhOvWw78g6Qpsj01uVAnX4UFcTJQYD/EDf9L0T/Uaq8lNRDEb9k+ /m80PJw2Zq3Y24D4/iTfU6lIdU1lBeYOgiVVGyV2kRd6OiWpBEJAWB0BGOw3urkwGQ xjH65Tn/YKU4zhuI/E5H8ubsPhab3cV7s6tVy3rvYUU1WpG90gkA/l4zgWJqW8zRcN BhoxLgbs9Qh+A== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Unusual Vapor Lock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Erich and John. That's the type of info I was look ing for. Stu Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App -----Original Message----- From: awtiger@cox.net To: Tigers@autox.team.nete.coiner@cox.netstubrennan@comcast.net Cc: Sent: 2013-05-17 15:08:28 GMT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Unusual Vapor Lock Erich, et al: This happened to me on my Tiger a few years back. It was very confounding and caused me to expend considerable amounts of time trying to figure it out. In the end, however, the problem came down to a combination of having leftover winter-blend gas in the Tiger and me trying to drive it on a pretty warm late spring day and into the summer months. It spit, sputtered, died, left me on the side of the road until it cooled off, etc...all of this happened several times, while I was trying all of these different remedies being mentioned here to fix it. As it turned out, however, the problem went away when I drained the tank and refilled it with with fresh summer-blend fuel. The lesson that I took away from my situation was to always remember that the fuel that is refined nowadays is formulated for cars that run high-pressure fuel injection systems. Boiling fuel in a modern fuel injected car is unheard of anymore, but it seems to happen with alarming regularity now with carburetted cars of old where the fuel systems are under very little pressure. As time goes on, I think modern fuel formulas will play an increasingly significant role in the drivability of carburetted cars. Just my .02 worth... Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ---- e.coiner@cox.net wrote: > Vapor lock is possible. > > Refineries change the blend of molecules in the gas depending on the season. > Winter blend vaporizes more easily. Summer blend less so. > Your November gas would be more susceptible to vapor lock than Summer blend. > Erich _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 17 23:44:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C868B403F5 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 23:44:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FA5403DA for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 23:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMZ00KUZBT0LM51@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 18 May 2013 00:41:25 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 22:41:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] For those who have nothing to do... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For those who like 'bring a trailer.com" I found this site called oldparkedcars.com . Who would have thought..., a car at the curb and a person with camera. Spoiler: April 11, 2013 - a 1956 Sunbeam Rapier. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 07:52:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FD4406B1 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 07:52:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f169.google.com (mail-pd0-f169.google.com [209.85.192.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F09240562 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 07:49:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f169.google.com with SMTP id y10so3416374pdj.14 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 06:46:11 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=O8TdZ24kvbC9itMAumu25p9swiWHWPTl1Iih2BEqNyY=; b=irQd36/EOLKtLZmIzA7wzHluL9KcYIS6CZCsc0y6ltKHzrRaT5DS3IfgLjAGG7CC8o yhBF+j6sf5+9lnjZst3piLi8gRx93NZJWqq+6jVcnNMDU9krPkjH6HwjL1GrMUgJj3o5 Poy/Ds9LMjYrV07IMkRz9oCYYOSpwvOqSORoYemIDlglAG+5VZwgjxl0tTZNDK/h4+bB zcqDagaz5rzzP/HbIehU9l1cIBgopT39BRQUtn5csXgU7vwjGLsS3BNTBgcq7F7eTEUN 7hKumODrqS1JeuavlpziBV+zEW77YTUQZp4HvzGkXEPx1mZau6e3/7PykX5xOgX8iAwY HR+Q== ph10mr54200241pac.134.1368884771934; Sat, 18 May 2013 06:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ze11sm16932732pab.22.2013.05.18.06.46.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 18 May 2013 06:46:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 06:46:08 -0700 To: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: [Tigers] Ignition Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I pulled apart my ignition switch. It was pretty easy. As indicated, just pry out two of the points on the can that are pressed in, hold towel to finger to stop bleeding from screwdriver slipping out of indentation point and into the finger, put switch in vice, lightly clamping around nut, and finish last indentation point. Put in key, press ice pick in hole in side to release lock barrel. Pull apart. The switch is much more beefy than I expected. It has a strong spring and is built of large, thick metal for contacts. I'm actually kind of surprised that it has any issue. But, I've cleaned it up and sanded all the contacts. I basically put a piece of fine sandpaper in between each of the three contact points and rotated the sandpaper back and forth, and rotated the contact to each of the three positions to get each one. This probably makes no sense unless you have one open in your hands. I was thinking of dremel, but none of my attachments are small enough to fit in there. I'm also cleaning and sanding the tabs out the back that the wires attach to. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 08:08:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8869240691 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 08:08:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA73B4054F for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 08:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B6C6870049344; Sat, 18 May 2013 10:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mla003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.81]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 82CDBE000082; Sat, 18 May 2013 10:05:31 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 10:05:31 -0400 (EDT) To: jay.laifman@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368885931; bh=S0KR5TZvI8yz1uh1qZUJ9HZXi+L4fCGIPrZK7m6+OBI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LDTGDp0fUdZ8Y0BYie/RFVZEReE1aTyWMdUajaZFv3HaDtoX5TMx1qodNEji8jkTy K1fJsW7InFlGr3iMKnzPGz87XmtcGaQyC8QLtxa/Fr6whgjpt8t2G3cmSStqvGBhnT r+AyvGEtQbtTJne3DZ58RUKYrNuJzlDYvCZP1txM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb51978aab27f3 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ignition Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, If you have a can of contact cleaner I would suggest spraying every electrical part that has to carry any juice. Mark L In a message dated 5/18/2013 9:49:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jay.laifman@gmail.com writes: I pulled apart my ignition switch. It was pretty easy. As indicated, just pry out two of the points on the can that are pressed in, hold towel to finger to stop bleeding from screwdriver slipping out of indentation point and into the finger, put switch in vice, lightly clamping around nut, and finish last indentation point. Put in key, press ice pick in hole in side to release lock barrel. Pull apart. The switch is much more beefy than I expected. It has a strong spring and is built of large, thick metal for contacts. I'm actually kind of surprised that it has any issue. But, I've cleaned it up and sanded all the contacts. I basically put a piece of fine sandpaper in between each of the three contact points and rotated the sandpaper back and forth, and rotated the contact to each of the three positions to get each one. This probably makes no sense unless you have one open in your hands. I was thinking of dremel, but none of my attachments are small enough to fit in there. I'm also cleaning and sanding the tabs out the back that the wires attach to. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 08:48:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1575340E02 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 08:48:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050574054F for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 08:48:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dSd41l0021u4NiLA5SkzrR; Sat, 18 May 2013 14:44:59 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dSkz1l0032yr1eL8hSkzsT; Sat, 18 May 2013 14:44:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 14:44:59 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Thomas Witt s=q20121106; t=1368888299; bh=mMDRQy1YJa1+WUUItHKkZAPLX/MnkteBlMkWWNoTiTM=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=EBRuIEzlqA1SjmMcXf6lkOcevug3jUvNYq0aU9YhyfOJfDV6BGoUhmu9byeFcQjVR ANoScY3GUfog6RkBkJV5lIed/YyvgnxzY5DI9c31wBJlXCaLXS3W1Kka/iDdvWg1OZ AniM5Nr6BJE1450WptLSSMI28d6akf/hvMQv90mM4IqaY449gzUo6Z3Xdxo9Bj7D9T 0ZCFsu2xyWIYJwI8C6bO6Q2uXcYYEpnI8cV3pg894Zlan1dBQ2mefuLfaAE0m3QAKd ObXYj36Ygii2+vkbvCkCNg5kTRCQ9Ow+UscmkdeNmgB3hR96P2YK2eIgyaYBpWMUXh ygBR9y9R0tDIA== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] For those who have nothing to do... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Not to mention the Tiger MKII... good site! ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Witt To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 18 May 2013 05:41:26 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] For those who have nothing to do... For those who like 'bring a trailer.com" I found this site called oldparkedcars.com . Who would have thought..., a car at the curb and a person with camera. Spoiler: April 11, 2013 - a 1956 Sunbeam Rapier. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 09:16:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7BAD40530 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 09:16:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A5CFC40530 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 09:16:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2013 15:13:31 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.13] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2013 15:13:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2013 15:13:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368890011; bh=muetQIdG0fk8GSgDZF5J4Tp46Jletz8wlGSCJihzQyI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=W1Na+b1WCiZ3buN440QSpL+I+YeZITRXFZ2PRS8bvbL0YnNw+Qr9fMLRnQ/jTfabLFXlcoH87oH0rswz6m6otLlTQdrFVXoEQofxNhSXuHV7rY7VswTl032kot4sOKLzF9FyZi5FjRvLaEXefXGW9Ovdeg4598bPhHt9UchjZhw= W09y0.SP9YkQFUsL4bx.rvhv59SAcyo8_ZamnTbpRVoDTgjOGJU4iEYofy_Z gIqBINA_fvr9UZpYUB6JB85fAcb03Ri8EGdcNaMPVa9Yz2DIEu94n122fZSX pIX1Y4UJ8_S6kaecyeeMsLJV7vu5dQI1wVJ5JB0xFoABpXEQQm382r8SMqDc 9m6Iz2ZyLMU3DCo30wSFAsbW67K._qLksHxMXNzaht5QAMmXs6nTrFdGHP8G __7HgYEfRqlvu8SgMOWABKYuXvcFjGUbEXmlxo0HVN.v4FfqcF8sl.rJ2WwC vW5QSbY5eZ8_2f4z0SYtP.TQeKYS1Q30ABPHx_A7CoP5cK5v1Z29BPpAVrzA 3XVKA2gqCDC_NehMENWst2qZCsVmUj8lBsez_H7ZJJ.lTMSMEPIEcEF0l3uB bZVXKGznTIwedoyRLZRLYSToG8KPO0G_vdWy7YRCJMenEBAzJaunHeBgKscq XqNW8cQ.Y smtp113.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2013 08:13:31 -0700 PDT Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 10:13:44 -0500 From: TtT To: CoolVT@aol.com, jay.laifman@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ignition Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Keep us updated. Jay. TtT Sent from Huawei Mobile CoolVT@aol.com wrote: >Jay, >If you have a can of contact cleaner I would suggest spraying every >electrical part that has to carry any juice. >Mark L > > >In a message dated 5/18/2013 9:49:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >jay.laifman@gmail.com writes: > >I pulled apart my ignition switch. It was pretty easy. As indicated, >just >pry out two of the points on the can that are pressed in, hold towel to >finger >to stop bleeding from screwdriver slipping out of indentation point and >into >the finger, put switch in vice, lightly clamping around nut, and finish >last >indentation point. > >Put in key, press ice pick in hole in side to release lock barrel. > >Pull apart. > >The switch is much more beefy than I expected. It has a strong spring and >is >built of large, thick metal for contacts. I'm actually kind of surprised >that >it has any issue. But, I've cleaned it up and sanded all the contacts. I >basically put a piece of fine sandpaper in between each of the three >contact >points and rotated the sandpaper back and forth, and rotated the contact to >each of the three positions to get each one. This probably makes no sense >unless you have one open in your hands. I was thinking of dremel, but >none of >my attachments are small enough to fit in there. > >I'm also cleaning and sanding the tabs out the back that the wires attach >to. >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 09:43:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E793B40E21 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 09:43:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1823E40562 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 09:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4IFdtJM009336; Sat, 18 May 2013 08:40:16 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018924f) id dm0213.5192ebd3.66957; Sat, 18 May 2013 08:39:44 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jay Laifman'" , Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 11:39:32 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5Tzoy+C8AwwS8tSwCXFyO3zism5AADvBMg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-18_05:2013-05-17,2013-05-18,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1305180165 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ignition Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay I suggest you take pictures of the inside of the ign switch and more; do a Tech write up and put it all on TigersUnited. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 9:46 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Den Subject: [Tigers] Ignition Switch I pulled apart my ignition switch. It was pretty easy. As indicated, just pry out two of the points on the can that are pressed in, hold towel to finger to stop bleeding from screwdriver slipping out of indentation point and into the finger, put switch in vice, lightly clamping around nut, and finish last indentation point. Put in key, press ice pick in hole in side to release lock barrel. Pull apart. The switch is much more beefy than I expected. It has a strong spring and is built of large, thick metal for contacts. I'm actually kind of surprised that it has any issue. But, I've cleaned it up and sanded all the contacts. I basically put a piece of fine sandpaper in between each of the three contact points and rotated the sandpaper back and forth, and rotated the contact to each of the three positions to get each one. This probably makes no sense unless you have one open in your hands. I was thinking of dremel, but none of my attachments are small enough to fit in there. I'm also cleaning and sanding the tabs out the back that the wires attach to. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3336 / Virus Database: 3162/6331 - Release Date: 05/17/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 12:38:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BD5406AD for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 12:38:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-02.shaw.ca (smtp-out-02.shaw.ca [64.59.136.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6054403FF for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 12:38:02 -0600 (MDT) cv=3f4U5fHrZLLPCzJ96ldNbjtja1zQ0ih230F6vdsLr5s= c=1 sm=1 a=nWZo5VSqEgYA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=07qYva9XFuPVsmUOanpuKQ==:17 a=zzgeAOwiFHmr-DRC7dgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.102]) ([184.64.56.176]) by smtp-out-02.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 18 May 2013 12:34:52 -0600 Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 12:34:49 -0600 From: Theo Smit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <81F473F1-416A-4E3D-A06F-3A706077D85A@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ignition Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Jay, Make sure you use as fine a grit of paper you can (or even go to a polishing compound) and get all the abrasive gunk out of the switch before you lube it and close it back up. The surface scratches reduce the available electrical contact area, and they also provide natural places for oxidation to start again. This is why lubricating it with a good silicone switch-contact lube is important. As others have noted, using the switch to activate a 30 or 40 amp rated relay will save the switch from overheating and future damage. Theo On 5/18/2013 7:46 AM, Jay Laifman wrote: > ... I > basically put a piece of fine sandpaper in between each of the three contact > points and rotated the sandpaper back and forth, and rotated the contact to > each of the three positions to get each one. This probably makes no sense > unless you have one open in your hands. I was thinking of dremel, but none of > my attachments are small enough to fit in there. > > I'm also cleaning and sanding the tabs out the back that the wires attach to. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 13:18:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D13140C01 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:18:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 515DE40653 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:18:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2013 19:15:03 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.206] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2013 19:15:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2013 19:15:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 28967 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2013 19:15:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368904503; bh=N8nJY2k18sExCPeH6nf0Fh4XAqX95qaQp3V4XqbmIBk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MmrUUG5DTvzLMJOSZFESLk130Ir7h3irCoxrgiXAB2M+VatzUUzrR9XnGtkkOj5sIGP+F7IQocTOMTFZJkbiP/HbJnNY5rlz/Prfx8fKAI6g66VlICFDNOQSnef4BAPAKkcTC0kCn5d0tecsj4PpWldH9xWufWsT/z4CtpJyAUk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=C54NviO1OdZoYdTp3oM+cOfJH7u8cLzUQOU+v6gcPII8lYQ4kNTrR4eWVgghbJ+INDap/FI9/yWPLxujEwD3cdcufdTt9+/zohnHoI2xSh+i1ZIL6DU04+omg/lO+qo+KD9BH4vtezTsQHX/QVejJDhM460s+fIhBuZEMWTgYRY=; 04aeLJWCDbGOV57pD8rLnFUpC.oRl8ZldCGjfyIEbm0RHQt1I1iDPRDovsFY 2.gKMwHx5i40K0sz6_0tJ8IKbXGxTPFkPlDv1p1uAAg9ga8XvnDMysAuVtzh T42AD3lKZfhk1LV6l3SUjr9aAonNZMgR04bnh5mVfb_x50vZsEIPrTZ3p3_w hYd3TGVWOHyzKnzmzhKkcDzt7NFW2Q6I_WwOtEFdYc0xvRJXbh38qnmVkPbe 7siIdtDmMtpvue75gyHoj4TkHN7WRLEr.1A6.dagYH823W6qqcJ0_lDVAV3k IUfCDF04BZfr1mWYEZy3IeZppEfHW.san0Zf4q8cKL42ukDfmlrzIMKUbjrb EpY_XmKhg7NxzUkwT1Z5LeGSOjajedhs7ZvMkZ.MvyUJhUvfypeDEk7wbsLH NjnB170A4Nf1ofm24NOK6P62RmqkKKzqqhBcGwxx_Mkh.Zs1Rkg-- Received: from [63.142.116.58] by web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 May 2013 12:15:03 PDT TGF0ZSBsYXN0IG5pZ2h0IEkgaGVhZGVkIHVwIEktNTcsIG9uIG15IHdheSB0byBCcm93biBjb3VudHkgc3RhdGUgcGFyayBhbmQgdGhpcyB5ZWFycyBTaGVsYnkgQ29icmEgYW5udWFsIG1lZXQuIEFib3V0IDcwIG9kZCBtaWxlcyBmcm9tIGhvbWUsIEkgaGFkIHRoZSBmZWVsaW5nIG9yIHRob3VnaHQgdGhlIDUgc3BlZWQgaGFkIGp1bXBlZCBvdXQgb2YgZ2VhciBCVVQgdGhhdCBtYXkgbm90IGhhdmUgYmVlbiB0aGUgY2FzZS4gSSBkb3duIHNoaWZ0ZWQgYXMgbXkgcnBtcyB3aGVyZSBnb2luZyB1cCBidXQgaGEBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 12:15:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Lang To: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] Dales AMC 5 speed conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Late last night I headed up I-57, on my way to Brown county state park and this years Shelby Cobra annual meet. About 70 odd miles from home, I had the feeling or thought the 5 speed had jumped out of gear BUT that may not have been the case. I down shifted as my rpms where going up but had no gear- to the side of the road. I go thru the gears and once it moved and killed the engine. I got out with my brighter than me tiny flashlight to try seeing if I had a drive shaft- YES, I'm aware I would have known if I had lost a U-joint. I had no luck seeing anything so back in the car, with it running and in first at 3k rpm I went to reverse BUT had immediate grinding, as tho the tranny was turning enough inside that I had grinding- knowing 1st and reverse are on the same shaft in the 4 speeds I didn't try using 2nd for the same test- I was finally in 4th and had a gear. I have 15"Minilites and with the tires and the gear in the tranny, w/288 gears, I slipped the clutch enough to get moving and road the side until I came to a place to cross and go back south. I jumped over on state rt.37 that runs parallel 57 the last 20 miles or so to my home. The Tiger looks great setting in front of the house with the top down- ppl walking are all looking BUT Im pretty sad. I know it time to pull the engine and find a 5 speed man local and get the right speedo gear in that Dale forgot to change BUT does anyone have any thought, knowledge etc. what my problem might be. TIA. TtT Tony Lang (TtT) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 14:02:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F3C40691 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 14:02:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f51.google.com (mail-qe0-f51.google.com [209.85.128.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0F140395 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 14:01:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f51.google.com with SMTP id nd7so2243784qeb.24 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 12:58:11 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:message-id:date:subject:from:in-reply-to:to; bh=OyiNMs1dt2tDUaGUdEgquDqVr67h6GUk4jo3o8Vl+CE=; b=dL29kkfEDrgKMvEPxVpBSsDKeDx/unjJB/ERxyfMes1t6DKR1K7hwfvtlrYGBMS5jr NdUUYsa3AtUsO2A+GDkV80gshoj0SNB1D8X62xBJqPGu84cYXueZMOSK+EKkwH4Yhizu xdiYlaIZBNIi5MfbKTXQ6aCYu9P4hnGJmbWHs= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:message-id:date:subject:from:in-reply-to:to :x-gm-message-state; bh=OyiNMs1dt2tDUaGUdEgquDqVr67h6GUk4jo3o8Vl+CE=; b=hEqw/VPiuIuaJGf05W+JzVn1sDJZFnNp31DBR/8aVF0YC/7khrOzcLVUGtfuIohOEb HKbEXjGprr2jSMo/DyT1AtSuZGgkFR+ZPFeJGtg6wCZrI4JgCNHQIlFoZXazoB5iuS6n p2tV7elB+E+Hv9CCey08+PulksksjacKRlc9mCs1l1FKvY2DmFrRt2KbXtxji+eiSAVl DR+mC9KOU+LTd6Ev+60FKtTNlAXb6bhB6SAIp58jqtGEsMd/tAJ7mzzL1ayMvzl0t5og OAqMfYhC6ndyiaiDf2rIu24Rjw2VTzuG4GDU99qoilcHhVCG2X/ScDiWXxA+XCOJWESV TBQQ== n19mr42323000qav.66.1368907091324; Sat, 18 May 2013 12:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([184.90.236.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c10sm19044116qao.10.2013.05.18.12.58.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 18 May 2013 12:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 15:58:10 -0400 From: dave@munroe.ca To: achd73@yahoo.com, Beamclub Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dales AMC 5 speed conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 14:29:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D5F403FD for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 14:29:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAA9403FD for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 14:29:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4IKNrTt016238; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:25:55 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0219.5192ebc4.73864; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:25:52 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.150.99]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sat, 18 May 2013 20:25:44 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Tony Lang'" , "'Beamclub'" Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 16:25:40 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5T/AyvBgkNEgrtQlKaXNSR1YdUdAACDHIg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-18_07:2013-05-17,2013-05-18,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1305180254 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dales AMC 5 speed conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tony I only have experience with the Ford Mustang 5 speed. If the AMC is similar then the shift rail is internal and the shifter has 2 bolts that attach it to the shift linkage. I experienced one Mustang that lost the lower shifter bolt and it became difficult to find a gear. You need Loctite on those bolts. There is a plate that holes the shift linkage to the trans. The bolts on that plate need to be tight or the plate could lift and the shift linkage will loose contact with the shift rail. Again I don't know if any of this applies to the AMC 5 speed. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Lang Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 3:15 PM To: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] Dales AMC 5 speed conversion Late last night I headed up I-57, on my way to Brown county state park and this years Shelby Cobra annual meet. About 70 odd miles from home, I had the feeling or thought the 5 speed had jumped out of gear BUT that may not have been the case. I down shifted as my rpms where going up but had no gear- to the side of the road. I go thru the gears and once it moved and killed the engine. I got out with my brighter than me tiny flashlight to try seeing if I had a drive shaft- YES, I'm aware I would have known if I had lost a U-joint. I had no luck seeing anything so back in the car, with it running and in first at 3k rpm I went to reverse BUT had immediate grinding, as tho the tranny was turning enough inside that I had grinding- knowing 1st and reverse are on the same shaft in the 4 speeds I didn't try using 2nd for the same test- I was finally in 4th and had a gear. I have 15"Minilites and with the tires and the gear in the tranny, w/288 gears, I slipped the clutch enough to get moving and road the side until I came to a place to cross and go back south. I jumped over on state rt.37 that runs parallel 57 the last 20 miles or so to my home. The Tiger looks great setting in front of the house with the top down- ppl walking are all looking BUT Im pretty sad. I know it time to pull the engine and find a 5 speed man local and get the right speedo gear in that Dale forgot to change BUT does anyone have any thought, knowledge etc. what my problem might be. TIA. TtT Tony Lang (TtT) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 14:45:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0052E40C00 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 14:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F172F40562 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 14:44:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id o17so6448559oag.13 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:41:28 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=mja93oTVVs+S1EtJaiQ/OoPt2A1qvs+kQgF4MDdP4Ro=; b=DG8VYyxj8XHaEWe9qnr7kECxuVu5pxy3naXPJTFmxdxiD1uHKa/yppbQvgvfip9ZoO K/rVG5zNj3R74qZX/Utp4JXpJD5kvoxBY2k/BgNgU6jL3IqTby5KFw2ogpfGW/QkaFnz esGhSZOPFuSczQu8UIBKJQbc7AXCNdFLAHEd0LcYUBv0Kjg4cjtQ3jrqPxgWxchzo6OG Hgs3j2cIrX3JkIgC7A2waxBDvho6KwXAklckHopEj3Wmbob/O3XYoX2j35NHfFQIufjO Q79IVsqL04ys5onTmjYM26qehIms5GDNeZqQspnVnTJhKfPy2LmGF8akt+6ktpamOcDk q5Fg== xq4mr2666036oeb.8.1368909688297; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([8.28.240.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c20sm13441345oez.4.2013.05.18.13.41.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 18 May 2013 13:41:27 -0700 (PDT) References: <1368904503.28507.YahooMailNeo@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Cullen McCann Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 15:41:26 -0500 To: Tony Lang Cc: Beamclub Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dales AMC 5 speed conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tony, is it an AMC tailshaft conversion on a Borg Warner T5 like what was in the mustangs? Or was this entire transmission originally from the AMC application? I haven't kept up very well but I thought that most of the time it was a late model T5 with the Amc tail shaft swapped on it? Just curious because I have a little bit of experience with the mustang T5 but none with the original Amc, And don't know what the differences. I do know you could get a T5 transmission in a Chevrolet S 10 pick up as well so Borg Warner T5's made it into a variety of vehicles I believe, And I believe there were some differences just like in the vintage transmissions. Such as input and output shaft diameter's, hardened or standard bearing retainers, Steel versus cast shift forks and other variables. Cullen Sent from my iPad On May 18, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Tony Lang wrote: > Late last night I headed up I-57, on my way to Brown county state park and > this years Shelby Cobra annual meet. About 70 odd miles from home, I had the > feeling or thought the 5 speed had jumped out of gear BUT that may not have > been the case. I down shifted as my rpms where going up but had no gear- to > the side of the road. I go thru the gears and once it moved and killed the > engine. I got out with my brighter than me tiny flashlight to try seeing if I > had a drive shaft- YES, I'm aware I would have known if I had lost a U-joint. > I had no luck seeing anything so back in the car, with it running and in first > at 3k rpm I went to reverse BUT had immediate grinding, as tho the tranny was > turning enough inside that I had grinding- knowing 1st and reverse are on the > same shaft in the 4 speeds I didn't try using 2nd for the same test- I was > finally in 4th and had a gear. I have 15"Minilites and with the tires and the > gear in the tranny, w/288 gears, I slipped > the clutch enough to get moving and road the side until I came to a place to > cross and go back south. I jumped over on state rt.37 that runs parallel 57 > the last 20 miles or so to my home. The Tiger looks great setting in front of > the house with the top down- ppl walking are all looking BUT Im pretty sad. I > know it time to pull the engine and find a 5 speed man local and get the right > speedo gear in that Dale forgot to change BUT does anyone have any thought, > knowledge etc. what my problem might be. TIA. TtT > > Tony Lang (TtT) > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 15:22:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554A14068D for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 15:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E1240687 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 15:21:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2013 21:18:33 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.41] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2013 21:18:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2013 21:18:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368911913; bh=BQBeeqGaDHrJwj+qanjm1jH0GCiW5L4fSqk1r4rg7bg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=b54zOza7yP02N+D4sPfQjqlK4G4AFOzCRrwr6GKjSIFUGD9OWBkSlgUN3fyw+MxqHzu6bYm1nR7rSc3XAVwUqmzO77YZmdLhKXfBk9p7/r1H9omZAs+Me6NyOP3m2bELoa/QunamdQIz+2UD6tIjEXCiorYaivs9i9f+eb73W+I= jFP3vvac_5EqeJGWJEOhuEnjnpgynlHp0owtaoAccWLAFQOdm_BqYGdEJ8jU Mbx39TjXahA9wveISZDoOAAV5GFqqCda3JYz3eeMyMsY.9U0A8KCbCw29OVc lgKlTCwR.NI69MOHVah5nS85USlBhCAxjoZylZXKZPQj92wksEVoSmL7zyO3 sM_WSmL.A18VQE5WH0.wb.XOjnGMLvVTwoPP8LewhQiSpUx1LdjZeSKftPwy NlqSQoTG9Jc6fy0ADFO_2qvKwNBGc2VLd.z3SUODONOiksReBP93Va1QemeM 3teWa6KuWEg9fz61VKDehVCWVe1ub7S2lx.Hy6omL3NhwyLIoG5bxZIdSFnQ kO7ZWCogk4j9OEAWytmFsXrpY3M02Z_Pil07W41dLf7DaRowFgkgt9ihrQGo VyjU- smtp109.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2013 14:18:33 -0700 PDT Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 16:18:47 -0500 From: TtT To: dave@munroe.ca, Beamclub Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dales AMC 5 speed conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It is just an AMC tailshaft. Pretty sure Dale. Bought the granny's from a Ford dealer.He could. Tetitm or sell original parts not used. Sent from Huawei Mobile dave@munroe.ca wrote: _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 17:26:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7284D40C02 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 17:26:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD97140E1D for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 17:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from your4dacd0ea75 (ool-182e2173.dyn.optonline.net [24.46.33.115]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-9.20 (built Jul 15 2010)) with SMTP id <0MN000EATON5RRA0@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 18 May 2013 19:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 19:16:15 -0400 From: Tony McNulty To: Jay Laifman , tigers@autox.team.net References: <81F473F1-416A-4E3D-A06F-3A706077D85A@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ignition Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay: On electrical contact surfaces like these you should use really fine burnishing material -- like crocus cloth. This is what we used to use on high current electrical contacts back in the 60's. The idea is not to "sand", but to"burnish". You want to polish the surface, not sand it. Even tooth paste (properly cleaned off afterward) is a better burnishing abrasive than even the "best" sandpaper -- although the abrasive papers available from 3M for polishing chisel and plane blades (look up "scary sharp") would be OK for polishing electrical contacts. Good advise it to use your ignition switch to activate a heavy duty relay to pass the high current (40 - 60 Amps) to the load, in this case, the starter or its solenoid. Tony McNulty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Laifman" To: Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 9:46 AM Subject: [Tigers] Ignition Switch >I pulled apart my ignition switch. It was pretty easy. As indicated, just > pry out two of the points on the can that are pressed in, hold towel to > finger > to stop bleeding from screwdriver slipping out of indentation point and > into > the finger, put switch in vice, lightly clamping around nut, and finish > last > indentation point. > > Put in key, press ice pick in hole in side to release lock barrel. > > Pull apart. > > The switch is much more beefy than I expected. It has a strong spring and > is > built of large, thick metal for contacts. I'm actually kind of surprised > that > it has any issue. But, I've cleaned it up and sanded all the contacts. I > basically put a piece of fine sandpaper in between each of the three > contact > points and rotated the sandpaper back and forth, and rotated the contact > to > each of the three positions to get each one. This probably makes no sense > unless you have one open in your hands. I was thinking of dremel, but > none of > my attachments are small enough to fit in there. > > I'm also cleaning and sanding the tabs out the back that the wires attach > to. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bamcnulty@optonline.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 19:16:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4CB42710 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 19:16:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555DE40C02 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 19:16:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY175-W47 ([65.54.190.187]) by bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 18 May 2013 18:13:36 -0700 From: Karl Adey To: The LIST Post Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 21:13:36 -0400 FILETIME=[16B6A360:01CE542E] Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Lines and Fittings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At some point my Mk1 was graced with a new fuel pump and the whole setup was changed. Now I'm trying to install a stock pump from Sunbeam Specialties, and have found that I don't have the right adapters or bracket. I'm desperate for any info anyone has on the stock setup, ie the adapter from the large pump intake and outlet, the bracket, fuel line path etc. Pictures of the stock setup would be greatly appreciated, as a 2 hour search only provided a single shot of the pump thru the trap door.Thanks,Karl _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 21:51:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7AC42714 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 21:51:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B7D40420 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 21:50:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dfGC1l0030QkzPwA6fnlUg; Sun, 19 May 2013 03:47:45 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dfnl1l00K2yr1eL8NfnljM; Sun, 19 May 2013 03:47:45 +0000 Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 03:47:45 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Karl Adey s=q20121106; t=1368935265; bh=Pa4x6Qo1fm3pWi+DwzqvWOr0cEr39WzCL2/vhG+Wj3I=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=FEO62y/1itxJR1p9ERfueMoHAWqVjdRa4zDCOTV7/LyE/jf8Wgp10MYpAgBEucPn1 3kohZ6tHhpzs9UUMsVglm/61qtsY2cUTUMGyLnlf7IYrKC6LZTG9flwSwGdnSae3L6 oc+vSXGGptxfKGI0e6rfQCPyWWvPwwJWaweEuSB/uy7hpnMvRS/6FtNCnKyLN6W5YO lvR9uYgnih0Nx+rcV8tg20+V0AkTcA/FnfU/avoJ/us7WedTZ9BGDL4HsSKJ2YKfsK put/SNMscHqEv8Aj+YuSgZWNihytYlDqw+OxEaPI32Qxp5KjFgb5gfzzUYj7b7Vu5v i34FSq3acTjHA== Cc: The LIST Post Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Lines and Fittings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Karl, I might could help a little. I just replaced the stock system on my car with 3/8 inch line and a new fuel pump in the trunk on my Mark 1A. Unfortunately I am not looking to get rid of any of that plumbing. You say you are looking for routing info. I gather the PO did not keep the 5/16 lines and just cut off the connectors at the pump? If so are you looking to install all new 5/16 lines? I know there is a company that makes reproduction stock fuel lines for the Tiger and other classic cars. I do not know the name off hand but am sure someone on the List has that info. As I recall they are not cheap. The routing from the tank crossover tube to the pump takes a very contorted path as it works its way around the side of the Alpine spare wheel well, up the back side of the forward trunk wall, over the panhard rod and axle cavity and down and across to the pump. Without having an example to follow, I think it would be very hard and tedious to duplicate this section by hand. My car is just on jack stands and I cannot seem to get that piece out without cutting it somewhere in the middle. Something I am reluctant to do at the moment. When the car is running again, I will get the car on a lift and hopefully be able to snake that section out. If you are looking just to reattach a stock pump to the existing lines with some short sections of line and rubber hose, I think you will find that the pump connectors are BSP sizes and threads. I saw on another forum not long ago that there is a company in Indiana that carries a lot of those types of fittings and connectors. I can look for that if you like. Obviously you would need to know what to ask for, but supposedly the are very helpful people. Let me know what you would like in the way of specific photos and I will gladly see what I can do. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Adey" To: "The LIST Post" Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 8:13:36 PM Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Lines and Fittings At some point my Mk1 was graced with a new fuel pump and the whole setup was changed. Now I'm trying to install a stock pump from Sunbeam Specialties, and have found that I don't have the right adapters or bracket. I'm desperate for any info anyone has on the stock setup, ie the adapter from the large pump intake and outlet, the bracket, fuel line path etc. Pictures of the stock setup would be greatly appreciated, as a 2 hour search only provided a single shot of the pump thru the trap door.Thanks,Karl _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 23:36:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BF942717 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 23:36:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C10D40687 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 23:36:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MN1001EI631J550@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 19 May 2013 00:33:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <519819A4.6040900@mayfco.com> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 22:33:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] World's Fastest Sunbeam 260 race Motor First Starts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >>> http://youtu.be/5fwL_nEOv4g <<< And the neighbors said, " Larry..., shut off your D*MN leaf blower!!! LOL _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 19 06:42:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D526B42706 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 06:42:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579F2403D7 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 06:39:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4JCYIfQ026746; Sun, 19 May 2013 05:37:11 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622e) id dm0213.5192ebd3.8d45e; Sun, 19 May 2013 05:36:31 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.150.210]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sun, 19 May 2013 12:36:24 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , "'Karl Adey'" Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 08:36:17 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5UQ6iw0v0G9gsYT5+3H5bmQNxJuwASXGUg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-19_03:2013-05-17,2013-05-19,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1305190095 Cc: 'The LIST Post' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Lines and Fittings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Karl Classic Tube I believe has fuel and brake line kits for Tiger and Alpine. Moss Motors might have the fuel pump adaptors but not sure. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 11:48 PM To: Karl Adey Cc: The LIST Post Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Lines and Fittings Hi Karl, I might could help a little. I just replaced the stock system on my car with 3/8 inch line and a new fuel pump in the trunk on my Mark 1A. Unfortunately I am not looking to get rid of any of that plumbing. You say you are looking for routing info. I gather the PO did not keep the 5/16 lines and just cut off the connectors at the pump? If so are you looking to install all new 5/16 lines? I know there is a company that makes reproduction stock fuel lines for the Tiger and other classic cars. I do not know the name off hand but am sure someone on the List has that info. As I recall they are not cheap. The routing from the tank crossover tube to the pump takes a very contorted path as it works its way around the side of the Alpine spare wheel well, up the back side of the forward trunk wall, over the panhard rod and axle cavity and down and across to the pump. Without having an example to follow, I think it would be very hard and tedious to duplicate this section by hand. My car is just on jack stands and I cannot seem to get that piece out without cutting it somewhere in the middle. Something I am reluctant to do at the moment. When the car is running again, I will get the car on a lift and hopefully be able to snake that section out. If you are looking just to reattach a stock pump to the existing lines with some short sections of line and rubber hose, I think you will find that the pump connectors are BSP sizes and threads. I saw on another forum not long ago that there is a company in Indiana that carries a lot of those types of fittings and connectors. I can look for that if you like. Obviously you would need to know what to ask for, but supposedly the are very helpful people. Let me know what you would like in the way of specific photos and I will gladly see what I can do. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Adey" To: "The LIST Post" Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 8:13:36 PM Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Lines and Fittings At some point my Mk1 was graced with a new fuel pump and the whole setup was changed. Now I'm trying to install a stock pump from Sunbeam Specialties, and have found that I don't have the right adapters or bracket. I'm desperate for any info anyone has on the stock setup, ie the adapter from the large pump intake and outlet, the bracket, fuel line path etc. Pictures of the stock setup would be greatly appreciated, as a 2 hour search only provided a single shot of the pump thru the trap door.Thanks,Karl _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 14:06:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252A2427D9 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 14:06:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.253]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B33042711 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 14:06:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2013 20:03:00 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.193] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2013 20:03:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2013 20:03:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369080180; bh=zm8wPphOUESDmexskqJwByUEy2ipPnqpDpaI6Q6P41k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=L86w7ij1gjr/DZJocbbH5cL8/Y0IZOm+HOivvbCAB4LKe8QN1AZVHqu1IHn9aYIFD9VUWvRtWJLsUc1rVR+P5FRNXRtEfKfFdjPmI7151pPFjBH95NIxvFVbP+LC8d4rn20r6S8qtEdaThyp+GAhJB6fz3eYjkZfLrD/Q41g55A= doIaYy7wt2suA9_W6Hgdhd45TBjqSoa3a0.QQEYtdzPf1KX_zxtzDFlVJuOh o9jnuKsSjhFvOTWLjkBjrWS1LDcrVeYUClrZux2Iuu51hbaN2VS.Ar1QD3uK lYVVRnjzFfAMpBqWN67drR4iTgiwjnjNarA.CMFb12zLw1CA_iVXmdTT5jsf A9Cv1l7hCke827ngOIdpV7I_6cGCXshlj1hb7LZuuSHYW41o5lln0Vrp1FK8 2uJ_C2c2rPmlzZ1AHL6L36crqYLYYHXJXnV9cCpHT1hlZ3.DViULnHqWz45p kFQer1bpC7_GDIvDdVC0wmQvqK9N4L5xpj8qM3MLZnBFHFLuRcen1MnXJUuS YSHdGhNiU4ZIlrKPG43UER7lXTwM5UExflXWr2eDV5wcQQpL__pUpMOu_vkq .Zc7S7zUd7k4kOFJ4nvzE1aNuY5K1s5DANGw9A0WDEDrw2qX9JWhTRX9XaAB LYlfaXH0- smtp202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2013 13:02:59 -0700 PDT Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 15:03:14 -0500 From: TtT To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dale A.# or tranny info Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Please ignore the older replies below. The. AMC 5speed tyranny conversion Dale did. I need his number or the Year and or if it's a Ford tranny that he used so I can try to find/have one when I pull the broken one. Tia. TtT Sent from Huawei Mobile Tony McNulty wrote: >Jay: > >On electrical contact surfaces like these you should use really fine >burnishing material -- like crocus cloth. This is what we used to use on >high current electrical contacts back in the 60's. The idea is not to >"sand", but to"burnish". You want to polish the surface, not sand it. Even >tooth paste (properly cleaned off afterward) is a better burnishing abrasive >than even the "best" sandpaper -- although the abrasive papers available >from 3M for polishing chisel and plane blades (look up "scary sharp") would >be OK for polishing electrical contacts. > >Good advise it to use your ignition switch to activate a heavy duty relay to >pass the high current (40 - 60 Amps) to the load, in this case, the starter >or its solenoid. > >Tony McNulty > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jay Laifman" >To: >Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 9:46 AM >Subject: [Tigers] Ignition Switch > > >>I pulled apart my ignition switch. It was pretty easy. As indicated, just >> pry out two of the points on the can that are pressed in, hold towel to >> finger >> to stop bleeding from screwdriver slipping out of indentation point and >> into >> the finger, put switch in vice, lightly clamping around nut, and finish >> last >> indentation point. >> >> Put in key, press ice pick in hole in side to release lock barrel. >> >> Pull apart. >> >> The switch is much more beefy than I expected. It has a strong spring and >> is >> built of large, thick metal for contacts. I'm actually kind of surprised >> that >> it has any issue. But, I've cleaned it up and sanded all the contacts. I >> basically put a piece of fine sandpaper in between each of the three >> contact >> points and rotated the sandpaper back and forth, and rotated the contact >> to >> each of the three positions to get each one. This probably makes no sense >> unless you have one open in your hands. I was thinking of dremel, but >> none of >> my attachments are small enough to fit in there. >> >> I'm also cleaning and sanding the tabs out the back that the wires attach >> to. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bamcnulty@optonline.net >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 14:17:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84A642801 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 14:17:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm20-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm20-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FD442711 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 14:16:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2013 20:13:11 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.232] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2013 20:13:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1047.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2013 20:13:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 4325 invoked by uid 60001); 20 May 2013 20:13:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369080790; bh=HlUGqDGNjHasAVXt6n/jwkLNiSkqyoIYMysbpJMbNnw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H117gb6mkGf4Q57ho2AjeEIWJVSSekZ0VdgiYr7zBCIZd3yVlk764Zb0PcsJv0ZvKTyNs1kbm877ysgPVt/XjzhWsyS/lez0lltwaFJs6690CCz95tugnxBmdnktX1T+AYE2LM+gztPkd0yr2raLcGzXe31lwlfaEaOPK8gy/cU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xSB1c54yGrVtLoTPsJLGtRBa/0n1GVOQcbVC/DvrCEt0Xsm4QnxEAsE/TvDmaNMbs0+luYLNCOhzWkjZdx8z0HHO7CxHhvOF8UOSm3ksmXBXV2eIQD+W0CB5QBTnm8Z9QS0UBMfR+Wx9DqY2pfPPD2i4Dse75nHaFvX31J9wA68=; iHaYuhjUrRCqNXKi_G_5m9OEZ8vd4MUZyBXetK7Ga3RB0hvpJin47jzf7weg 1x2h9YCWeqTOKbxvWdPZXGz4oBRao05Z_yBRMEauQ_HbQwzzfBaHGLKMLWCb pk7vNErb1UGQF7L690CcHv9PIIWaV9M1kAjiVaZnAexqdt8iZEqfcauDEaFb gdKL2i1iadup7CU7H0OyFwq790vbMA45Nmkl_RSZqbQ64wZ9rMAm7v41zxPB 6DL0QL5tPhqeKBx6gzlDNq8_3FLT4b2VVUfpekv.BZDnudv9QO_zlDaj5KFN AbbXnjNGkWORY9T..dFQB2NFEBvXqeeVEumObBVpdi5jcHSCu0coKO.Bo_VE dpWh6BbABqfVo6pM2nTc98lkAPzJ9Z6dWtzORvpm8wHTelrwPFVEiiFani4Z _Mu3HFtlOCPxEByr0HkZhJOtCzdKq_vK6s0B3LkXuJvK2tRzOPgUycsE3pVw MOonYZAEg2k8OvyT.SqT9J_QcrKsYrpwJQsn9EwUcNuo55R3oJK_8.ScV5om Gt9Tf_ugP5MqcEQxl0m0xL81UoMEewtiQN0.MBJSmEi9FKwXAuosDGqiAUac RtvTWdmLQl9.1I4EsQfKGulSmGtWU2f2t6A-- Received: from [12.233.136.66] by web121905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2013 13:13:10 PDT SWYgaXQncyB0aGUgc2FtZSBhcyB3aGF0IERhbGUgZGlkIGZvciBteSBjYXIgKEkgc2VlbSB0byByZWNhbGwgdGhhdCBEYW4gV2FsdGVycyBhY3R1YWxseSBkaWQgdGhlIHRyYW5ueSB3b3JrKSwgaXQgd291bGQgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIGEgRm9yZCBSYWNpbmcgVC01IFdvcmxkIENsYXNzIHRyYW5ueSB1c2VkIHdpdGggdGhlIEFNQyB0YWlsc2hhZnQgaG91c2luZyBjb252ZXJzaW9uLsKgCgpodHRwOi8vd3d3LmRhbGVzcmVzdG8uY29tLwoKKDkwOSkgNzk5LTIwOTnCoAoKU3RlcGhlbsKgCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX18BMAEBAQE- References: Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 13:13:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Waybright To: TtT , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dale A.# or tranny info Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If it's the same as what Dale did for my car (I seem to recall that Dan Walters actually did the tranny work), it would have been a Ford Racing T-5 World Class tranny used with the AMC tailshaft housing conversion. http://www.dalesresto.com/ (909) 799-2099 Stephen ________________________________ From: TtT To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dale A.# or tranny info Please ignore the older replies below. The. AMC 5speed tyranny conversion Dale did. I need his number or the Year and or if it's a Ford tranny that he used so I can try to find/have one when I pull the broken one. Tia. TtT Sent from Huawei Mobile Tony McNulty wrote: >Jay: > >On electrical contact surfaces like these you should use really fine >burnishing material -- like crocus cloth. This is what we used to use on >high current electrical contacts back in the 60's. The idea is not to >"sand", but to"burnish". You want to polish the surface, not sand it. Even >tooth paste (properly cleaned off afterward) is a better burnishing abrasive >than even the "best" sandpaper -- although the abrasive papers available >from 3M for polishing chisel and plane blades (look up "scary sharp") would >be OK for polishing electrical contacts. > >Good advise it to use your ignition switch to activate a heavy duty relay to >pass the high current (40 - 60 Amps) to the load, in this case, the starter >or its solenoid. > >Tony McNulty > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jay Laifman" >To: >Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 9:46 AM >Subject: [Tigers] Ignition Switch > > >>I pulled apart my ignition switch. It was pretty easy. As indicated, just >> pry out two of the points on the can that are pressed in, hold towel to >> finger >> to stop bleeding from screwdriver slipping out of indentation point and >> into >> the finger, put switch in vice, lightly clamping around nut, and finish >> last >> indentation point. >> >> Put in key, press ice pick in hole in side to release lock barrel. >> >> Pull apart. >> >> The switch is much more beefy than I expected. It has a strong spring and >> is >> built of large, thick metal for contacts. I'm actually kind of surprised >> that >> it has any issue. But, I've cleaned it up and sanded all the contacts. I >> basically put a piece of fine sandpaper in between each of the three >> contact >> points and rotated the sandpaper back and forth, and rotated the contact >> to >> each of the three positions to get each one. This probably makes no sense >> unless you have one open in your hands. I was thinking of dremel, but >> none of >> my attachments are small enough to fit in there. >> >> I'm also cleaning and sanding the tabs out the back that the wires attach >> to. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bamcnulty@optonline.net >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 14:21:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCA8427D9 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 14:21:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f178.google.com (mail-ve0-f178.google.com [209.85.128.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1396F42741 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 14:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f178.google.com with SMTP id d10so4451052vea.23 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 13:17:46 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=R9OGVnL1S/NrQ75DgGo9NacH9b8mQtu1GILCxK4pzvM=; b=lV/w9C6S32+NLO8iK65hmLB0tsN5nOJnlVxOxYd6emyb1PPoy6ksYlRZkq0WmSvHue cuEG76oYhJEEYqJFmihbEWDMyznq9hDqynDJp6gCpmIbNDHpH3lyuj44aulerjPDEHSI gK/N6XH3AptOSZbbqOI4R4A/8beNDB1NWFQ8yg8b0kjikqAgI07eFYwAK1IGPVbk0zgZ 2Tg2RxqKjiO29HGAAoGnNUmR+Bip126P7lGD87Ih7X1iZ6c26SKj9c75WO7cf2kbsgDC sV8R0P+7noqbiRdagMztKW+p7kFeZkoW0EH+gSDJZMPHCNU7Crlv2BpnDf1wRNvNp3UY T3cQ== v6mr24483149vcp.11.1369081066651; Mon, 20 May 2013 13:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.240.5 with HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2013 13:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 13:17:46 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: [Tigers] Ignition Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Due to Theo's and others' suggestions that I should be sure the contacts are smooth, and not just sanded (though it was very fine paper), I decided to drill out the little rivet that holds the pieces to gether, planning on replacing it with a small bolt with two nuts, as a lock nut. I got it apart. It is now easy to polish up all the surfaces and put it back together. And it is very easy to put it back together. I even got a perfect small bolt, washers and nuts and the local hardware store. That said, once I had it apart, I discovered that the small tab that pushes against the rotational spring, that rotates the key back after starting the car, is broken. That is, there are two springs (and again, this makes so much simple sense once you have the parts in your hands). There are two springs, one that you can see that keeps pressure on the rotating ring that makes electrical contact. There is another spring that is hidden inside. Somehow the tab that pushes against the inner spring was broken in half. I do not know if it happened while I was rotating things to get in there and sand, or while I was pulling the parts apart. It may have already been broken before I pulled it out of the car. At this point, I ordered a new switch from SS for $30 and change. I will put my key/tumbler in and should be fine. In the meantime, I will keep my eyes open for a used switch that I can pull apart rebuild the one I have, and replace that plastic part that broke. Anyone have an extra I can buy and finish fixing the other one? If all goes well, I will put that one back in the car and save the new one for the future. Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 14:33:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A469427D0 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 14:33:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C3D42795 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 14:33:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4KKSG4X014793; Mon, 20 May 2013 13:30:27 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b278) id dm0219.5192ebc4.ae53a; Mon, 20 May 2013 13:30:09 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jay Laifman'" , "'Tiger's Den'" Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 16:29:56 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5Vlx1H33lthMB2R+i28r5utmulUwAAVqcw engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-20_04:2013-05-20,2013-05-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1305200215 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ignition Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay Looks like a very good opportunity for pictures and a detailed Tech tip article. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 4:18 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Ignition Switch Due to Theo's and others' suggestions that I should be sure the contacts are smooth, and not just sanded (though it was very fine paper), I decided to drill out the little rivet that holds the pieces to gether, planning on replacing it with a small bolt with two nuts, as a lock nut. I got it apart. It is now easy to polish up all the surfaces and put it back together. And it is very easy to put it back together. I even got a perfect small bolt, washers and nuts and the local hardware store. That said, once I had it apart, I discovered that the small tab that pushes against the rotational spring, that rotates the key back after starting the car, is broken. That is, there are two springs (and again, this makes so much simple sense once you have the parts in your hands). There are two springs, one that you can see that keeps pressure on the rotating ring that makes electrical contact. There is another spring that is hidden inside. Somehow the tab that pushes against the inner spring was broken in half. I do not know if it happened while I was rotating things to get in there and sand, or while I was pulling the parts apart. It may have already been broken before I pulled it out of the car. At this point, I ordered a new switch from SS for $30 and change. I will put my key/tumbler in and should be fine. In the meantime, I will keep my eyes open for a used switch that I can pull apart rebuild the one I have, and replace that plastic part that broke. Anyone have an extra I can buy and finish fixing the other one? If all goes well, I will put that one back in the car and save the new one for the future. Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3336 / Virus Database: 3162/6331 - Release Date: 05/17/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 14:35:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB505427EF for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 14:35:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f180.google.com (mail-ve0-f180.google.com [209.85.128.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E36342795 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 14:35:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id c13so3327920vea.25 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 13:32:25 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=hj8nGp9jwS/uZms1dd78yQdv2Eccr0I8egRPHXBSwEo=; b=fAyCgqSgHLPnKbcZoxdJ6HAB1aGnKSqbvtrX8Tt2T2YLsE5BhLSq9fSZiBHJ3S0z4M Jcr2+ttOTxzQt9kptV/4ADlbnTVbQWjd/uVwZq+6GlbRraPlB123YHzg70C9BrkBypxw 4ku8Zoz71Uchqhr0Ek7uT7QfooW840sd79OOxWKYBWB1BjNppOEpwP9ofXLefyD0EyVB UAriEpzcPq2qZp7vPIIUoeqea91kPZHHk7GpU3Z+ypSf1ruF15ZNriccaz921g0NU8Fp /wzdnftrj8X7wk4YSYQNaQFXmDjOT5rsYwlyEPwPXZwUJL3gn806lYqAnvEZ+USLLvBU VT8Q== v6mr24501861vcp.11.1369081945262; Mon, 20 May 2013 13:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.240.5 with HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2013 13:32:25 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 13:32:25 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ignition Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm happy to - once I get another switch and prove success! If I don't come up with one in too long, I'll do it anyway. Jay On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Jay > Looks like a very good opportunity for pictures and a detailed Tech > tip article. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Jay Laifman > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 4:18 PM > To: Tiger's Den > Subject: [Tigers] Ignition Switch > > > Due to Theo's and others' suggestions that I should be sure the contacts > are > smooth, and not just sanded (though it was very fine paper), I decided to > drill out the little rivet that holds the pieces to gether, planning on > replacing it with a small bolt with two nuts, as a lock nut. > > I got it apart. It is now easy to polish up all the surfaces and put it > back together. And it is very easy to put it back together. I even got a > perfect small bolt, washers and nuts and the local hardware store. > > That said, once I had it apart, I discovered that the small tab that pushes > against the rotational spring, that rotates the key back after starting the > car, is broken. That is, there are two springs (and again, this makes so > much simple sense once you have the parts in your hands). There are two > springs, one that you can see that keeps pressure on the rotating ring that > makes electrical contact. There is another spring that is hidden inside. > Somehow the tab that pushes against the inner spring was broken in half. I > do not know if it happened while I was rotating things to get in there and > sand, or while I was pulling the parts apart. It may have already been > broken before I pulled it out of the car. > > At this point, I ordered a new switch from SS for $30 and change. I will > put my key/tumbler in and should be fine. > > In the meantime, I will keep my eyes open for a used switch that I can pull > apart rebuild the one I have, and replace that plastic part that broke. > Anyone have an extra I can buy and finish fixing the other one? > > If all goes well, I will put that one back in the car and save the new one > for the future. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3336 / Virus Database: 3162/6331 - Release Date: 05/17/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 17:45:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBE142B20 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 17:45:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com (mail-ve0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D083C4043A for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 17:42:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id jz10so4362veb.35 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 16:39:10 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xWc6M3e3YW2Iymf2FCixLJpQ5gJvswQi2xSCph55ytA=; b=f4utXqNfCyBtagltEOmn2xAC0ithze6xUX33SmVyj4LBMZF5l/yc/4Bv+QDImYEh6t 9Z1oYZMEQy9Xl3A6xol94gLmYCRhOvHcziZLKmYL65zM/vq9qXLmklpLW9ta4JWJcaCA kCz1Ptn8bGJFLT86vM5/Xqjc+MKViVDJL14bJPz4A3UJoMWF60PgB6D+9ZX7aMwVJBf5 Xt/TUIN+Tb8WppHfacp9civKwDaeBu2yNmWmFUiW0JEUVUimlVyX23SmmH8NYHOJ5bs0 /jWV58Bv0NblJx8lG952Lbg0acKpMLcIv/0NVoFN7Ytk855rb8NjbNv/2G0PsrQH4Wom Texg== cg1mr9270101vdc.1.1369093150471; Mon, 20 May 2013 16:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.240.5 with HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2013 16:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 16:39:10 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: [Tigers] Relays, ignition switch and starter solenoid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A number of people have responded to my posts about adding relays to help out the ignition switch. First, keep in mind that this is my father's car. Rest assured that he has added relays for various systems. That said, my problem here was getting juice to the solenoid. It sure seems to me that the starter solenoid is in fact already a relay!!!! Right? Is anyone really running a relay off the starter switch to simply power the wire that triggers the starter solenoid?! One other point, in playing with an ohmeter and the switch, I get the sense the any weakness in contact was not the internals of the ignition switch itself (which is pretty beefy in there). But in the tabs off the back which seem to have some dark coloring that inhibits electricity. That's easy to clean - but per my previous post, I'm still not clear on how to clean the insides of the female connectors, which are presumably as in need of cleaning as the male tabs. Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 19:00:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB3D42B72 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 19:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from am1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (am1ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497A742813 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 18:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail105-am1-R.bigfish.com (10.3.201.249) by AM1EHSOBE001.bigfish.com (10.3.204.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 21 May 2013 00:55:54 +0000 Received: from mail105-am1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail105-am1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889941E0059; Tue, 21 May 2013 00:55:54 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail105-am1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail105-am1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail105-am1 (MessageSwitch) id 1369097750828473_12898; Tue, 21 May 2013 00:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AM1EHSMHS011.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.201.246]) by mail105-am1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAEF2E0043; Tue, 21 May 2013 00:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by AM1EHSMHS011.bigfish.com (10.3.207.111) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 21 May 2013 00:55:50 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.179) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.220) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Mon, 20 May 2013 19:55:46 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.214]) by OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.179]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 20 May 2013 19:55:47 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Jay Laifman , Tiger's Den Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Relays, ignition switch and starter solenoid Thread-Index: AQHOVbNuUXybvVF77U6d5HQU+un8kZkOzsKA Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 00:55:46 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Relays, ignition switch and starter solenoid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Jay, You're correct. The solenoid is a relay. I've never measured the resistance of the Tiger's starter solenoid but I think the current it draws is probably within reasonable bounds for the starter switch and wiring. The mini starter I have in my Tiger has a built-in solenoid that also acts as the Bendix drive engagement and it draws about 20A. This is enough to soften the insulation of the standard wiring... and it will eventually then short to something more significant, usually at a bad time (such as a SUNI autocross). Thus, it's probably a good idea to have a relay driving this kind of solenoid or at least to bump up the wiring from the stock 16 gauge to something more beefy. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman > Sent: May 20, 2013 5:39 PM > To: Tiger's Den > Subject: [Tigers] Relays, ignition switch and starter solenoid > > A number of people have responded to my posts about adding relays to > help out the ignition switch. First, keep in mind that this is my > father's car. Rest assured that he has added relays for various > systems. > > That said, my problem here was getting juice to the solenoid. It sure > seems to me that the starter solenoid is in fact already a relay!!!! > Right? Is anyone really running a relay off the starter switch to > simply power the wire that triggers the starter solenoid?! > > One other point, in playing with an ohmeter and the switch, I get the > sense the any weakness in contact was not the internals of the ignition > switch itself (which is pretty beefy in there). But in the tabs off > the back which seem to have some dark coloring that inhibits > electricity. That's easy to clean - but per my previous post, I'm > still not clear on how to clean the insides of the female connectors, > which are presumably as in need of cleaning as the male tabs. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 21:47:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C074294B for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 21:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc3-s8.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc3-s8.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7235542807 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 21:42:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-W12 ([65.55.34.136]) by col0-omc3-s8.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 May 2013 20:38:56 -0700 From: steve wick To: Jay Laifman , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 20:38:56 -0700 References: FILETIME=[B8D38260:01CE55D4] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Relays, ignition switch and starter solenoid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net You shouldn't need a relay for the starter solenoid. It is in fact, a relay itself. For cleaning the inside of female connectors, use electrical contact cleaner. You should be able to get it at most auto parts stores, Radio Shack, or other similar electrical parts houses. It's a spray in a can like carb or brake cleaner. One thing to keep in mind is that a digital ohmmeter uses very low current to measure resistance. A single strand of an almost completely broken wire will show less than an ohm of resistance. Once you apply power to a low resistance load, like a solenoid, the resistance of the wire and connections could increase to the point that the voltage drops at the starter solenoid. All those bad connections or broken strands of wire become loads themselves, taking away from the device you're trying to power. To find the problem connection, disconnect the cable to the starter and the coil so the car won't start, and then have someone hold the key in the "start" position. Measure the voltage at each connection in the circuit to the solenoid and note where the voltage drops. Steve > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 16:39:10 -0700 > From: jay.laifman@gmail.com > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Relays, ignition switch and starter solenoid > > A number of people have responded to my posts about adding relays to help > out the ignition switch. First, keep in mind that this is my father's > car. Rest assured that he has added relays for various systems. > > That said, my problem here was getting juice to the solenoid. It sure > seems to me that the starter solenoid is in fact already a relay!!!! > Right? Is anyone really running a relay off the starter switch to simply > power the wire that triggers the starter solenoid?! > > One other point, in playing with an ohmeter and the switch, I get the sense > the any weakness in contact was not the internals of the ignition switch > itself (which is pretty beefy in there). But in the tabs off the back > which seem to have some dark coloring that inhibits electricity. That's > easy to clean - but per my previous post, I'm still not clear on how to > clean the insides of the female connectors, which are presumably as in need > of cleaning as the male tabs. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/srwick@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 07:09:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0325440426 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 07:09:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mx04.gis.net (mx04.gis.net [208.218.130.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA61A4009B for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 07:08:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.130.20]) by mx04.gis.net; Tue, 21 May 2013 09:05:32 -0400 From: "rande@thecia.net" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 09:05:32 -0400 Priority: normal Subject: [Tigers] Tiger I on eBay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Not my auction, and no connection, but... Car # B9472381 LRXFE for sale, $13,000 (reserve not met), VIN and JAL attached with screws Automatic(C4 ?) (according to shifter in photos and BON 289 according to eBay ad headers Originally color code 100 (Mediterranean Blue)according to VIN, BON and trunk, now Red At one point, an Alaska car as of 1/93 in BON, now in Nebraska Not clear if tunnel was swapped or just cut for C4 eBay number 330925593166 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 07:37:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78EC4273D for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 07:37:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-da0-f44.google.com (mail-da0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF3340411 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 07:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-da0-f44.google.com with SMTP id z8so423638daj.31 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 06:32:36 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=j3By77S0rjihSdY7emMtJzV6dYfuvwVy5OoE24vdj38=; b=Ms88Io0teQcilDalRbtI1V0WvnupzN7lQ9wUESc+nCclir0ipcWQbgR88fWvMXNeJt KJZ8PXKhI2frdboULWn6YYe0Hyd9V+gSejkLFL1ME2nJVKKMGzTG3cEnesKoqcoMipoE D6UnYC6PT6fMuJe1pBC/yuz7P/WlPwB9E7f8WaNsLeOxk0m2czaUg8cm6smvkzjm83Dq G85MddyOKj37u06JbtrenF1NU9WqqXPkjLLBTCUvlLEoA7mzOGb4fMY1tBSXdHaBAVmX y8bhE+6Uc51eRsfexntH64Lo+7kiri0a23TO+H6q4QggpNlNTcxAvur6+6Q56PkdW3Fd Fkbw== ho10mr2694431pbc.163.1369143156350; Tue, 21 May 2013 06:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.131.77 with HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2013 06:32:36 -0700 (PDT) References: <519b711c.208.7419.13133@thecia.net> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 08:32:36 -0500 From: Cullen McCann To: rande@thecia.net Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger I on eBay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net does seem to me to be an authentic tiger to me....just looks like its had a rough life. too bad about the VIN plate having been off...thats a scare that seems to follow them around awhile. Cullen B382001452 LROFE TAC 840 (Tiger that's had a rough life too) On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:05 AM, rande@thecia.net wrote: > Not my auction, and no connection, but... > > Car # B9472381 LRXFE for sale, $13,000 (reserve not met), VIN and JAL > attached with screws > Automatic(C4 ?) (according to shifter in photos and BON > 289 according to eBay ad > headers > Originally color code 100 (Mediterranean Blue)according to VIN, BON and > trunk, now Red > At one point, an Alaska car as of 1/93 in BON, now in Nebraska > Not clear if tunnel was swapped or just cut for C4 > eBay number 330925593166 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 08:45:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C99C42724 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 08:45:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mx04.gis.net (mx04.gis.net [208.218.130.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3747F40411 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 08:45:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.130.20]) by mx04.gis.net; Tue, 21 May 2013 10:41:42 -0400 From: "rande@thecia.net" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 10:41:42 -0400 Priority: normal Subject: [Tigers] More Tiger reading Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For those of you who neither are on Facebook (Sunbeam Tiger open group) nor are alumni of Georgia Tech, Geoff Bulpitt has added a link to an article in the Georgia Tech Alumni magazine about his dad Bill's restoration of his yellow Tiger Mark II : http://gtalumnimag.com/2013/02/tech-hack-bill-bulpitts-sunbeam-tiger/ For those on Facebook's Sunbeam Tiger group who've been following the Tony Vos pictures of the Sunbeam Alpine 260 entered in the Mille 1000, and thought the car was yellow(Tony says it's actually beige), Bill's Mark II really is yellow. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 15:50:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDAD340435 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:50:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 459564040F for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:50:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 2715 invoked from network); 21 May 2013 21:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (67.202.159.29) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 21 May 2013 21:47:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 14:45:44 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: "land-speed@autox.team.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam 260 and DIY Dyno first trial run... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, so you all looked at the vids of the first two startups of the Sunbeam's newest motor. Well, now here is a third one, made yesterday, that has the run stand coupled to its diy dyno counterpart. This was the first time ever fired up on the dyno and there were lots of questions in my mind. It worked out just fine! The dyno is something I fabricated from scratch using a Jaguar IRS with inboard disk brakes. I even shortened the drive shaft myself. The blue components are water collectors and shields to keep water from going all over the place. Two spray nozzles along side each rotor. Lots of things I might do differently, lots of things to change or improve, but it works! When operating at 2500 rpm, I am able to drop the rpm with just a small change in pressure to the brake master cylinder's push cylinder. And recover the rpm afterwards. I did not try and break anything because the tune is not right. Ok for the load level we were at but not a full boogie run. Plus, if I ran it at full song, I suspect the police would have been there in short order, lol. It barks really loudly, so some turbo mufflers are required... here is the link.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEGXda1cZ8Q mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 16:26:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76ADE42713 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 16:26:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-da0-f47.google.com (mail-da0-f47.google.com [209.85.210.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C5C40329; Tue, 21 May 2013 16:26:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-da0-f47.google.com with SMTP id k13so706586dae.6 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:23:02 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=HkybsCIMZ3TTbfETqD67S8NAZQnswJfK6sJGr6H+lho=; b=vyCwk0GqacWB86nGxaI2nqDnxM906KNTAGMaWPFSdNrxlCGvdTRj9Bj/P+4AJtIvy2 YgsdP2qjXwHOFOdC83dt7CoUzFoPQ/1f84HWSkxXatWzetNM9T05fXMygwJi4AX1dtBR 2n3IUeSugaXQms3GmP8nIsAJQWZGI02c1hEXowwbkeLVQGxUmy+ZCn/NSDPt0HfqvZ7D zv+7DUSHI44VySGy4DwzHjOj666jWzSYDkkNv5IsO500TKsWY1rDGnvJJzSE6mAe5BSa Jmb11TeJs3Gq+rDSrkqfF9t/OGt6ighfVn4u3PSKMXTGjayQc0lcSSjXUkcFevF267F0 +2zw== la4mr4734765pbc.190.1369174981969; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.131.77 with HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:23:01 -0700 (PDT) References: <519BEB08.8060100@mayfco.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 17:23:01 -0500 From: Cullen McCann To: drmayf@mayfco.com Cc: "land-speed@autox.team.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam 260 and DIY Dyno first trial run... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net that is awesome. and for a "DIY" dyno....that is a badass setup. SUPER cool Larry. PLEASE take a another video when you decide to start stretching its legs... On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Ok, so you all looked at the vids of the first two startups of the > Sunbeam's newest motor. Well, now here is a third one, made yesterday, that > has the run stand coupled to its diy dyno counterpart. This was the first > time ever fired up on the dyno and there were lots of questions in my mind. > It worked out just fine! The dyno is something I fabricated from scratch > using a Jaguar IRS with inboard disk brakes. I even shortened the drive > shaft myself. The blue components are water collectors and shields to keep > water from going all over the place. Two spray nozzles along side each > rotor. Lots of things I might do differently, lots of things to change or > improve, but it works! When operating at 2500 rpm, I am able to drop the > rpm with just a small change in pressure to the brake master cylinder's > push cylinder. And recover the rpm afterwards. I did not try and break > anything because the tune is not right. Ok for the load level we were at > but not a full boogie run. Plus, if I ran it at full song, I suspect the > police would have been there in short order, lol. It barks really loudly, > so some turbo mufflers are required... > > here is the link.. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=YEGXda1cZ8Q > > mayf > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/cmccann1972@** > gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 17:07:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D771042727 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 17:07:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0310A4040F; Tue, 21 May 2013 17:06:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail34-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.229) by CH1EHSOBE001.bigfish.com (10.43.70.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 21 May 2013 23:03:16 +0000 Received: from mail34-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail34-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62323440310; Tue, 21 May 2013 23:03:16 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail34-ch1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail34-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail34-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 136917739426573_27584; Tue, 21 May 2013 23:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS038.bigfish.com (snatpool1.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.240]) by mail34-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2523A0219; Tue, 21 May 2013 23:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CH1EHSMHS038.bigfish.com (10.43.69.247) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 21 May 2013 23:03:13 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com (10.5.143.142) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Tue, 21 May 2013 18:03:53 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.214]) by OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.143.142]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 21 May 2013 18:03:11 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" , "land-speed@autox.team.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Sunbeam 260 and DIY Dyno first trial run... Thread-Index: AQHOVmz/RMPP+s1seEy7AqY9eD7SC5kQONag Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 23:03:11 +0000 References: <519BEB08.8060100@mayfco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam 260 and DIY Dyno first trial run... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That's looking great, Mayf! Congratulations on getting it up and running. The near-instant feedback you're going to get from making tuning changes is going to speed up your engine development by huge leaps. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield > Sent: May 21, 2013 3:46 PM > To: land-speed@autox.team.net; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam 260 and DIY Dyno first trial run... > > Ok, so you all looked at the vids of the first two startups of the > Sunbeam's newest motor. Well, now here is a third one, made yesterday, > that has the run stand coupled to its diy dyno counterpart. This was > the first time ever fired up on the dyno and there were lots of > questions in my mind. It worked out just fine! The dyno is something I > fabricated from scratch using a Jaguar IRS with inboard disk brakes. I > even shortened the drive shaft myself. The blue components are water > collectors and shields to keep water from going all over the place. Two > spray nozzles along side each rotor. Lots of things I might do > differently, lots of things to change or improve, but it works! When > operating at 2500 rpm, I am able to drop the rpm with just a small > change in pressure to the brake master cylinder's push cylinder. And > recover the rpm afterwards. I did not try and break anything because > the tune is not right. Ok for the load level we were at but not a full > boogie run. Plus, if I ran it at full song, I suspect the police would > have been there in short order, lol. It barks really loudly, so some > turbo mufflers are required... > > here is the link.. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEGXda1cZ8Q > > mayf > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 17:37:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FE84271C for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 17:37:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DAAB40066 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 17:37:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 22373 invoked from network); 21 May 2013 23:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (67.202.159.29) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 21 May 2013 23:33:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 16:32:59 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" , "land-speed@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Ford F250 for sale. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I want to sell my 2000 F250 Lariat Powerstroke Super Cab truck. Her eis a link to it on Craig's list... please buy it, baby needs new shoes..... http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/3820520907.html thanks for looking! mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 16:17:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD354276A for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 16:17:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D44F40521 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 16:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id f9XE1l0010mv7h057ADaMt; Wed, 22 May 2013 22:13:34 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fADa1l00a0fu9Ni3XADaYT; Wed, 22 May 2013 22:13:34 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "Tiger Net" Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 18:13:27 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1369260814; bh=CtuV3hgstnrVNE2PoABaUmQZkQTiyutgeK6EAv3MHto=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=GvPHzufmZGSaB9Hr7lgk7BoVq9Lp+YDoCobZS/brBv0gW6M9dfgrMFIyEooc9Mmwo qO22FFQqLFgSNb4hHFrx/RO2fUf9myDZaP84nsw5y+Vayvjq6AZTamspHshz6s4xpA lgGakcFm/tfoKhcPRzPaW+XO9iXic3/8m7FteX7tkfyefmFhRSpAj49bVlrSOG8c1l 9OnDFiNISZlF626kGHDGSDPlxwwULOBNqkpkos6k4za0pyIZZzwNtNig/czfCvM6j+ 0MAiLwmTeFiV+2oCPQN3vtiBfil9/MDUihjy7nK1RGHzigx/EYHcIWKtY+zxj7obsN knntAM6E+vXvQ== Subject: [Tigers] Mk 2 Fuel Line Routing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net How is the Mk 2 fuel line routed in and out of the spare tire well in the trunk? In the back, out the front? In and out the back? Anybody got pictures? Eventually I want to move the pump on my Mk 1A to the trunk, and I might as well start with what they did on the Mk 2, before getting creative. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 16:27:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F82403D4 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 16:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe006.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC9A40042 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 16:22:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail179-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.249) by CH1EHSOBE017.bigfish.com (10.43.70.67) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 22 May 2013 22:18:54 +0000 Received: from mail179-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail179-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A42C180133; Wed, 22 May 2013 22:18:54 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail179-ch1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail179-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail179-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1369261132214817_9727; Wed, 22 May 2013 22:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS035.bigfish.com (snatpool1.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.250]) by mail179-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FCFC007E; Wed, 22 May 2013 22:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CH1EHSMHS035.bigfish.com (10.43.70.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 22 May 2013 22:18:51 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com (10.5.4.104) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:19:32 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.214]) by OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.4.104]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:18:49 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Stu Brennan , Tiger Net Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Mk 2 Fuel Line Routing Thread-Index: AQHOVzmhk2OXuMuU/EOqv3c3LTSP3pkRxNxg Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 22:18:48 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk 2 Fuel Line Routing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Stu, It's in and out the back pretty much on centerline. Someone sent me some great pictures for an example and if I find them I'll forward them to you. I've done this, using a "billet" fuel filter as a small fuel accumulator for the high pressure EFI pump - then I have the pump and the high pressure filter also crammed into the spare tire well. Two problems are that it doesn't quite all fit, and the billet filter weeps around its O-ring seal which leaves me with a fuel smell in the trunk. When I get around to correcting this I'm going to rebuild that part of the fuel system just behind the spare tire well so that any fuel weepage and the associated smell ends up outside the trunk, not in it. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stu Brennan > Sent: May 22, 2013 4:13 PM > To: Tiger Net > Subject: [Tigers] Mk 2 Fuel Line Routing > > How is the Mk 2 fuel line routed in and out of the spare tire well in > the trunk? In the back, out the front? In and out the back? Anybody > got pictures? > > Eventually I want to move the pump on my Mk 1A to the trunk, and I > might as well start with what they did on the Mk 2, before getting > creative. > > Stu > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 18:29:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08CA403D4 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 18:29:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A91440079 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 18:25:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fBP91l0031vXlb85FCMtPf; Thu, 23 May 2013 00:21:53 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fCMs1l0120fu9Ni3dCMsxZ; Thu, 23 May 2013 00:21:52 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "Tiger Net" References: Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:21:55 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1369268513; bh=+faM59anC89Bq9EorBkVlDS81xGjii8XbPB8+5hgnNY=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=jWVkHyKCFdcSOWF83DGrxyCLvr23ChTXzqc1ny9dUh2dIyQMuhZcvfj3DZQpq/DrG 3tn7bhF0h4PWIsAeQ+bPyRvPHPKrBukZHLs2m09XNjmdQjYwNQI+2A7xswRz6/jxTW qq0gV7BiKG7c5tlkSwfQV8hxmDNDKJuUTF1kYcn0+wKW2HaruX+/TnH/ZpVZ7Zxbpg wHA2nUpvNVdzr/qpxIDqSLyeNgvWoeIzj4R9HisspNuTR6W2LOpDdhbfRR6PwA7EZU revxHjKaKB1BBcRvvZsr7HbMTrLyjcuoESVNtbt4mB30bwBCoKyhN33+jYLuKWh8ii PWzePRJK3qKJg== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk 2 Fuel Line Routing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This network has come through again. Already I have photos of a couple current setups and a bunch of ideas on how to relocate my fuel pump and the associated plumbing. Many thanks to Theo and Ron! Stu Brennan _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 06:16:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DBD42774 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:16:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C390403D9 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:16:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 22354 invoked from network); 23 May 2013 12:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (67.202.159.29) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 23 May 2013 12:12:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 05:11:48 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" References: <1073472104.288480.1369308784215.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Subject: [Tigers] aluminum Sunbeam Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A friend way up in Maine sent me this listing for a Sunbeam in Ventura, Ca. 1965 SUNBEAM VENEZIA SUPERLEGGERA Not my car, all usual dislaimers apply. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/3816059759.html mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 07:05:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94524052E for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9187E403BC for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:04:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 10so3373693lbf.0 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:01:26 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/mw7QYfVzUIgftg5gXQgIy/Ri2zRPOhmaXFWQd67Zeo=; b=saL33WBLtYlSLp+IDn/GKJcXqjzOS8br4LPW/OnHIIX0v2ivtQmx97b0XjAse8VyzA NTsPGCnjDu3dvAuL+8EcYyaTmv4PWpS+/6tOGokaTGgbJ1WP+lKRXBLPBOSznRvBz4DO 3ys4p6pZQhyRUU47S8Cmyc+ablXHxaBXvev/BEoL6A4cVIGyU7qRbV2Q+0h2aUFNE8Pg ErynnYQOmZeOqU/mehpkbCmuVwBHy9hdphU9qKSd/YbFkXVZBz0i+GufgKgSppBZFuUJ pOqkuX+ZGaziswl24IqHXVUdcC3T/MpNyS5X3YZ+NS9IszbnxHoMoQ90AzS6IbDaU8ac XTyA== y1mr6431548lae.28.1369314086540; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.140.104 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.140.104 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:01:26 -0700 (PDT) References: <1073472104.288480.1369308784215.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <519E0784.4000105@mayfco.com> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 09:01:26 -0400 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: drmayf@mayfco.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] aluminum Sunbeam Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It appears to have rust on the inner fenders under the hood ( could be bad photos or that special aluminum that rusts). I do not know these cars, never saw one before this. Anybody else? Michael On May 23, 2013 8:13 AM, "Larry Mayfield" wrote: > A friend way up in Maine sent me this listing for a Sunbeam in Ventura, Ca. > > > 1965 SUNBEAM VENEZIA SUPERLEGGERA > > Not my car, all usual dislaimers apply. > > http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/3816059759.html > > mayf > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 07:31:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783E440541 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:31:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f176.google.com (mail-ie0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4A2403C5 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:31:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f176.google.com with SMTP id at1so8586957iec.21 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:28:03 -0700 (PDT) h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :cc:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=1C7TiMIBB7yXhz1AjOwHFSWNbC3zhoTBvW9M5Z983XE=; b=fhE7jP96NXaDGatRf08Nog0GngjvRTk1KOKDeYm3I/fUHKasaEutHYvC63yRU5Amc7 3VET04kWczJP0H3HkZV/f4kMx0I6yuiSkqeLaj+yHdvzB3DMogH8dQGs7prkMOseXzDd u4WEIHUgJgW2VkDtpG3f9adKaZQfz4xv7vq0QzUovFNmT2ZkBnzpAiAusY1IoWcBMJTS QULZA3n+mfe+kMZa1Y96AqWNm8Z2DL09t5RfsdQAKlSxZSpUnqCr3WUCS95VzdCPI2u7 NBfyrmeW5z8Bz2OaxNsiPowYULGvHgSLVQVY8QJyLGzlu6rIvY/ippTv4i2YLWJBo+8G cdHg== vo1mr11514467igb.93.1369315683588; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.186 (bda-74-82-80-88.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d7sm11833498igx.5.2013.05.23.06.28.02 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 May 2013 06:28:02 -0700 (PDT) References: <1073472104.288480.1369308784215.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <519E0784.4000105@mayfco.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: michael@michaelshortt.com,drmayf@mayfco.com From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 13:27:39 +0000 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] aluminum Sunbeam Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have been emailing the owner. He is 20 min from me. If anyone seriously wants me to look at it, let me know. I've never seen one outside of one book! He says there are 2 on the west coast and 3 on the east. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Tigers] aluminum Sunbeam It appears to have rust on the inner fenders under the hood ( could be bad photos or that special aluminum that rusts). I do not know these cars, never saw one before this. Anybody else? Michael On May 23, 2013 8:13 AM, "Larry Mayfield" wrote: > A friend way up in Maine sent me this listing for a Sunbeam in Ventura, Ca. > > > 1965 SUNBEAM VENEZIA SUPERLEGGERA > > Not my car, all usual dislaimers apply. > > http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/3816059759.html > > mayf > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 07:57:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0B94052E for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:57:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm35-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm35-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.189]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94C9403F7 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:54:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.55] by nm35.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 13:50:44 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.202] by tm15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 13:50:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 13:50:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 92044 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2013 13:50:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369317043; bh=pnAs9iHJ6bws1y52wAYHTEQcK002ouDg6/rNTzAwz/c=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=l32/smXwdr/pyLwcmDBQzZPuHphK/BO24whsNSCGbqSr7F6sMW8wCb2F0Q0ds8ckeKK5qxyuA9PLRQCbo+p5LXVub4FuXs7jP138dyvrY7Ic/RxuVQPAckmTSbDx3XMPRFt5yMZdJ1Idp+AsAoT33oazh9bpm/GeK63hfiu9pzM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5avjWcQ123RPZ1BQMehgATeSpUNQkZpnn1mdzqqxmTQwBH1Xln83Swlo+cNZ09GyMrG/0AdsrzrsNlXLv40YOeMS5jcLjuuBVMlEkePAY8t+h4LYbNMsc1Jn+/7iHK5ZH7k2N3DRPr2QTOZcJOsl28vIdiVtuey+lg6JPsHJNHA=; .JwgjDQbWbLRp51Ka2d7OQlhyaq64d_lDPVs4_mLNCfyC_.E.gBAcl1KJuEn SlSxHnuTsFlt__ldVvFVqVOXjsgZQMYYbFVbvb00FG2YuunXoXLM6IdoCxL0 bFnIsRajzfaUs57lvij4aIn46qSa6KBsLRX45OsZq4o6gecuUStioJ.EcZ9U IyGSiLf2ed.w.cgK44Hp00D9x7gi7EPA2OqxLxZNki6WERSorEJ_0Cqh7V4O IubrTsUTrtWheCyvg0lwaq.2FC5123Gf1ni0t_E84bEOkpSoQ4jdxOUvKK4p rJ0IKggCF3185JYK.9Xc1eZioNUUNLFy2FOBrhDKKunqviBw24Q5kSP9d6r4 ieSJsfABggIpJmtSq3ZNhx0ds9kXk.tBwX9ovIb18aaUDaQiKlaRADi6xe_X U05EqaL5.nvq0jwZ1CUcTciukJyJEu405llmqqGQk15GjzOJ286ULOj8BCuU _dBQkRvF.Quwg4TSHgZgRChHrGWsT6RtXumgD20deG4pGOGa6Ah7diKQHJqQ 4EEW_nQYVorx8X3pk9BQhUAsyEQD7gXdg1CojqCQth.f0jIXO7hqMddqGO7F TQCv8o9QCrDFfTHs4JqdRAbdE.2R52XuCsj.4Ohbw_1dZYVi6Cd1P1G0nLCX j3HjR7yeiMGDhR9byJMhvUnBWPWZx Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:50:43 PDT DQoNCg0KDQoNCkZpbmFsbHkgZ2V0dGluZyByZWFkeSBmb3IgdGhlIGZpcnN0IHN0YXJ0dXAgb2YgdGhlIDI4OSBIaVBvIG1vdG9yIGluIDY2IE1LMUEgYWZ0ZXIgYSBudW1iZXIgb2YgeWVhcnMgb2Ygd29yay7CoCBXZSBhcmUgb25seSBob29raW5nIHVwLCB0ZW1wb3JhcmlseSwgb2lsIHByZXNzdXJlIGd1YWdlICggZmluYWxseSBmb3VuZCBjb3JyZWN0IHRpZ2VyIGJsb2NrIGZpdHRpbmcgdG8gb2lsIGxpbmUgKCB0aGFua3MgQmlsbCksIHRhY2ggYW5kIHdhdGVyIHRlbXAuwqAgSSBoYXZlIGEgZWxlY3Ryb24BMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 06:50:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Finally getting ready for the first startup of the 289 HiPo motor in 66 MK1A after a number of years of work. We are only hooking up, temporarily, oil pressure guage ( finally found correct tiger block fitting to oil line ( thanks Bill), tach and water temp. I have a electronic Petronix distributor with vacumn advance and Petronixs coil from SS. http://www.cjponyparts.com/pertronix-distributor-flame-thrower-black-female-c ap-cast-ignitor-289-302-1965-1973/p/DIST35/ My question is the wiring of the WHITE wire that goes from the ignition switch to the tachometer then to ballast resistor, which is no longer needed - (I belive from the ballast resistor the wire changed to WU (white\blue). So does this white wire from ignition switch to tach then go to the + positve side of the coil? I have hear that if the white wire is not hooked up the car will not start - correct? Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 08:46:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECBE40431 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:46:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe003.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.183]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29298403C5 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:46:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail79-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.230) by CH1EHSOBE009.bigfish.com (10.43.70.59) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:43:09 +0000 Received: from mail79-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail79-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77D46026C; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:43:09 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail79-ch1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail79-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail79-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1369320186540514_3695; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS040.bigfish.com (snatpool1.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.242]) by mail79-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D25E0084; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CH1EHSMHS040.bigfish.com (10.43.69.249) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:43:05 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT06.ad.garmin.com (10.2.0.28) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:43:50 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.214]) by olawpa-exht06.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.0.28]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:43:03 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Wiring Question Thread-Index: AQHOV70EMFC/7dZVE0GpA0fxnFJGhZkS1yoA Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 14:43:02 +0000 References: <1369317043.91989.YahooMailClassic@web164706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wiring Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Joel, That's correct. At the tach the white wire loops through the little plastic block and metal U bracket that's thumb-screwed onto the back of the tach. I have a diagram that's mostly applicable on my tach website: http://members.shaw.ca/tsmit/tachmod/tachmod3.html#pe In your case, without a ballast resistor the white wire from under the dash connects to the coil + along with the power wire for the Pertronix distributor. Theo > -----Original Message----- > > My question is the wiring of the WHITE wire that goes from the ignition > switch to the tachometer then to ballast resistor, which is no longer > needed - (I belive from the ballast resistor the wire changed to WU > (white\blue). So does this white wire from ignition switch to tach > then go to the + positve side of the coil? I have hear that if the > white wire is not hooked up the car will not start - correct? > > Thanks > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 08:50:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A1E40548 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og119.obsmtp.com (exprod5og119.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.189]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C996403C6 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cinmlip14.e2k.ad.ge.com ([12.71.149.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob119.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUZ4rxdRtL/qj3HCBUfFjNMebdf+YcG+N@postini.com; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:46:30 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO alpmlef06.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.18.15]) by cinmlip14.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 23 May 2013 10:41:22 -0400 Received: from cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.213.93]) by alpmlef06.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 23 May 2013 10:41:22 -0400 Received: from cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.50]) by cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 23 May 2013 10:40:41 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA11.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.40) by cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.136.1; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:40:36 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.26]) by CINMBCNA11.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.5.206]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:40:36 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Wiring Question Thread-Index: AQHOV70ousVo+lF/MUe8b8sVnIZWJpkS1TkA Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 14:40:36 +0000 References: <1369317043.91989.YahooMailClassic@web164706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.191] FILETIME=[7F8E8950:01CE57C3] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wiring Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel, The white wire goes to the plus side along with the red wire from the Pertonix distributor. The black wire from the distributor goes on the negative side. I am running this exact setup on a 331 stroker, works great. You can either by-pass the ballast resistor or do some hidden surgery and keep the ballast resistor. If you have a BR that is no longer functional then pry the ceramic portion away from the clip and solder a #14 wire inside the insulator block between the two terminals. Now reassemble and you have a stock-looking BR without a significantly drop in voltage. I suggest you buy a re-pop to do this on if your original one still functions, don't want the Concours Police knocking down your door. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:51 AM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Question Finally getting ready for the first startup of the 289 HiPo motor in 66 MK1A after a number of years of work. We are only hooking up, temporarily, oil pressure guage ( finally found correct tiger block fitting to oil line ( thanks Bill), tach and water temp. I have a electronic Petronix distributor with vacumn advance and Petronixs coil from SS. http://www.cjponyparts.com/pertronix-distributor-flame-thrower-black-female-c ap-cast-ignitor-289-302-1965-1973/p/DIST35/ My question is the wiring of the WHITE wire that goes from the ignition switch to the tachometer then to ballast resistor, which is no longer needed - (I belive from the ballast resistor the wire changed to WU (white\blue). So does this white wire from ignition switch to tach then go to the + positve side of the coil? I have hear that if the white wire is not hooked up the car will not start - correct? Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark.rense@ge.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 12:54:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1E140518 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:54:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 14CD2403DE for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:54:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 18:51:14 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.252] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 18:51:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1065.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 18:51:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 90942 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2013 18:51:14 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369335074; bh=0FNeV+tcQx7ZGI24Gq2OVx2buWow1xDMV2IhzcXMRis=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yS8f5Ds/1GqsOYU+5+mvhLXxZnCs93h7FaCdTRmsTfVEP6F7qUOz77Kc6gIF+rEjEKS0bwp2ibwjEcZFs6LQvKnTyQsF/yLNDtUIhz+3XfMSJPSqKIxKiZKcqwqsleyW0KQd0NFdaBzAxL2+wmH6WVS8gzySNo4rDD7rcXPFB0k= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3VrMHRVdaCNgZGGLqO6zoOi2kzx1sD1TnlP5BFN4HcqkMj93/uPQUgS8LElEm/4lERgYiQck+sfM4LXpvbjxMiqIeikxHaOKEzejqVOQi3snCdfnm+etnNrAkYgOQgtg2d7nH+pyNiha7LpMl3yZhwUm+IcaZL7eNUQvt0Oy3D4=; tvUHB1ZjufTnkjQyO_jbMFUUYn7TYxic.mMY4dPkxN38McQ_Z1GtIqDCs0Ff E7yIf3v2fPpBiaqWVno8dCusu48rAXMBnoocEdHNBHw_LJYRybfQrbZ3MHqT kZX90WVsVX4OPPIKM47V1vvl7k1upsTE38iTGlb4dCgnoUIoKvdFiqRu5Adw hLQxO3h3eO8RI7FMyRJCjFcESb70mwWElh2vU7f8KV.B6T.2hT5ovq4wfPfs 3KL56euLXwOHKvA3Q4.JVF8wPu16d.tJDQ2H13UrHmb17Kr9F6Mbzd8GiWcb V6qnMXIBqj1MZPrvtNZG3wM0gS4VexLGmpvLwK3m6CHkfWznEbmj9D0CtuOG RUmkBMRCKpXpLGgUHCZ8QRCKriBblzhgx1FxhEtKbxxtKDhrMMUFL02dPkS7 pxHVHo.8AHzBLQnLlgCB6nD_aNPPiHSme5oBOHjyuXWW5ldoTEr5VzxWpUc2 xe3MjBYfYBaHnKO0hRkABTyk1VQ-- Received: from [72.29.162.82] by web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 11:51:14 PDT SGFzIGFueW9uZSBoYWQgc3VjY2VzcyByZW5ld2luZyB0aGUgY29sb3IgYW5kIGZ1enp5IHRleHR1cmUgb24gdGhlIGludGVyaW9yIG9mIHRoZSBkYXNoIGJvYXJkIGdsb3ZlIGJveD8gU3VnZ2VzdGlvbnMgYXBwcmVjaWF0ZWQuCgpUZXJyeSBQYWNrZXIgCjk0NzAwMTgKATABAQEB References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CED78@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 11:51:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Packer To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Has anyone had success renewing the color and fuzzy texture on the interior of the dash board glove box? Suggestions appreciated. Terry Packer 9470018 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 13:03:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413DF40537 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:03:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF485403DE for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:00:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 10so3836222lbf.0 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 11:57:05 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=t2QO2fG9tFQfyZ/ZdeaKkF/zXCEPkw8USnN6XTr9Erw=; b=pqGodI0qunZiRsl2be6bwuEbXrDZsTrKqWOM46C9pGRFiXpPATxlmBqwd3bvooSIZi sjcO8lLCCvBedY7PhyjwbtkzL+XlmGlVcNa4W7Lu5aiZ69915gU9PUVjw6bYXlnCrj9E YYCApbzujO/BtVknlFGW2IOlrM1ipZKAyd8LItO3z0BO8tgOCOu2onhgonUtXQoP1fm/ J0kSNaUMgYUA27M8wDhj6SoCGi1/rDJ/wQaaLfsOTpMtJ2vG0HVMmiTMkFwqXT9INNin ATen60/ORQF3FY2Q9akovDBK4a55csD8hqbrodjzU6JYP0dcT/tkC8WXJGBCltcX757m BdUg== l6mr3694913laf.54.1369335425650; Thu, 23 May 2013 11:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.140.104 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 11:56:35 -0700 (PDT) References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CED78@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <1369335074.78586.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 14:56:35 -0400 To: Terry Packer Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I remember using something like this once a long time, it was a spray paint that had a texture like velvet. http://store.scalemotorsport.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SM&Product_Code=5503&Category_Code=PAINT Michael Shortt On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Terry Packer wrote: > Has anyone had success renewing the color and fuzzy texture on the > interior of the dash board glove box? Suggestions appreciated. > > Terry Packer > 9470018 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com > > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 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Thank you _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 13:18:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484284051D for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f52.google.com (mail-qa0-f52.google.com [209.85.216.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D19403A6 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id bv4so1839095qab.4 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:10:33 -0700 (PDT) h=reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:organization :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:content-language:thread-index; bh=2k9aP7f5sOEAkIIIxu7h3pF5flJHpbcezg0flgs9IbE=; b=ibwd41+mtiESqWg0X91w7LoAiS3lDTPuEfU+DlxJJWbc0Mwb05eg+L+tfAzD1ifZfL LQSr4T++Sc/X8+Y8FaFF8YqCJ22tEjC+SO05kgbrNfmQeWWT1nxJ+t7gLzrV2J3KVtpZ TM1GMIqjGy4yV+sC6+6K3v9sQ+Q4U3WixtSH2kiBuv2qHw8G0OfsC3U9iLFviEH0FNsE GSAx4il9ZMdLA27xHJPWo6oJkhfq3xc7MSWNpAIaszk0CnbGouVCFXLYRE+5DmmDTZFc 4l18SfvceTb2QJkvI3Yw8WSgae6MshbqH3yy3zilqwnFwAr7zl+0WLIOGAv4bC8Y00FX O/jQ== h12mr13174321qad.19.1369336233166; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JoeParlantiPC (pool-108-48-23-249.washdc.fios.verizon.net. [108.48.23.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d5sm12448736qel.4.2013.05.23.12.10.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 May 2013 12:10:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Veloce Solutions" To: "'Terry Packer'" , References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CED78@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <1369335074.78586.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 15:10:34 -0400 Organization: Veloce Solutions Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac5X5oei8qGxiNICRDm3xnfE/EL0NwAAnSww Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Terry, I used the flocking method, You can purchase the flocking fibers at a craft store or an online supplier. Here's one I found with a how-to video: http://www.craftflocking.com/?gclid=CJTvvvj1rLcCFYZlOgodVQMA-A Best Regards, Joe Joseph V. Parlanti 16048 Copen Meadow Dr North Potomac, Md. 20878 Cell - 410-599-5475 Email - jvparlanti@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Terry Packer Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:51 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Has anyone had success renewing the color and fuzzy texture on the interior of the dash board glove box? Suggestions appreciated. Terry Packer 9470018 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 13:18:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D1D40519 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mx04.gis.net (mx04.gis.net [208.218.130.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74526403F1 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:17:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.130.20]) by mx04.gis.net; Thu, 23 May 2013 15:14:17 -0400 From: "rande@thecia.net" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 15:14:18 -0400 Priority: normal Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum Sunbeam-Venezia Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Folks, You probably already have the information, but two east coasters have some experience with the Venezia. One is Robert Jaarsma, Cornish, New Hampshire, and Dave Reina from Brooklyn, NY. I believe Dave bought his car from Robert, and Robert was involved in restoring one. It's possible that Robert still has one, also. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 13:24:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA0440525 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:24:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AEA0403F2 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fWhB1l00616AWCUA6XLWoK; Thu, 23 May 2013 19:20:30 +0000 Received: from [10.170.70.23] ([166.137.186.162]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fXKx1l00i3WfWY68SXL3qE; Thu, 23 May 2013 19:20:25 +0000 References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CED78@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <1369335074.78586.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Gary Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 12:19:56 -0700 To: Terry Packer s=q20121106; t=1369336830; bh=LdHs7yorcYBG4ammxp42wrw4hGlBwLsViPsVkK5tnTk=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=KwrqES3LxE5y7KS0A/TueeetlYJqtDMKW4HHPv7WUdbHASb7Aol/LWavZeRJYg8CO 2Xs2TqXbFcq1lgamYSs/L3ac0nYkM2Jt7cf1w1e337XyQZzPt1+i3GjCRKwKQPxouG ngRzJOLHPoDHpsTBAUVY8d6mDrGTgFOsr01od/rxP/rcI/9RplmpUdI8ZqIzohBKNe PIrNlM4pfu+tUsI4xKJV6q2tCL9IYzeKd6UjfoyEuu8hR8gxWkQiLPqyzuo7zzC0Ea NHk21BVWtFAv6BjTLzQnCB1CYt6sNRJqSEcY3eo8yXtJf3o8hup4jxnsY0UmKghd+J I6BYHtMgxxmdQ== Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In 1979, I went to the fabric store and bought a small piece of black felt. I cut it and glued it in the cubby box. It still looks good. I still cringe when I look at a repro box with the silver staples . Gary Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Terry Packer wrote: > Has anyone had success renewing the color and fuzzy texture on the interior of the dash board glove box? Suggestions appreciated. > > Terry Packer > 9470018 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 14:10:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36BF24051D for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D08D40402 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:10:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id id13so2563824vcb.9 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:06:55 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=GVUuBEjVfMpY+oPmX70Ad3m+MaMgnDiMp+pOOvNgPs4=; b=Q7PrRCEzZHKb3w5x6JlMVvsq45ddCXKKUcu4TXc6iicCa8zCneiMjdv7idZM5m4U4+ MH94GjumHRWktxvvYhzPVEzKx2+ZrLfYNNPlG4teYgz3BcuZ+PwQKcXpJU11fmH2Tsrm dZcX4tQGoZj/BlVKjwOE7Pt4POHtflN/q99YZbQ6KJICvHs8vicX+xkYmehrpcfL2vuS GIXwDw9MpHvArLajge/XbEXxhcvdck/MwV0GxmTwY3g1PeBSXzHRNAF/xBR14+o0tKMk 7a0WLQ92BcuXZMpjLA50QIIZBerh8Nv4FcpZPEx064kcuZ6KG5KY/4xj6coiybTzINF1 YeWw== yg5mr5551685vdb.38.1369339615160; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:06:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CED78@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <1369335074.78586.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <31612D73-9E83-47A0-B1C7-DE8920205C03@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 13:06:55 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Gary Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Same here on those staples. Why couldn't they just staple them from the inside out??? I painted mine black (on the Alpine, the Tiger's are still original). Jay On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Gary wrote: > In 1979, I went to the fabric store and bought a small piece > of black felt. I cut it and glued it in the cubby box. It still > looks good. I still cringe when I look at a repro box with > the silver staples . > Gary > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 23, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Terry Packer wrote: > > > Has anyone had success renewing the color and fuzzy texture on the > interior > of the dash board glove box? Suggestions appreciated. > > > > Terry Packer > > 9470018 > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 14:49:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD2342759 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:49:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f180.google.com (mail-gh0-f180.google.com [209.85.160.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C9F40566 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:45:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gh0-f180.google.com with SMTP id f18so1320497ghb.25 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:41:40 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:x-gm-message-state; bh=iBPC0qguGD8kmytRDxdgr8VwfRRKPpu46bavXw6BUxY=; b=BXXB5KtR73KvrVEoRuevBms6VDLYt32ybqS10n/Gx1hVYV7D9bGSud4Q4lvcZkFhxf fWPyzdwumgvfQLLE4tVp33Mh/kb/R50/tH6Ljc2uZRNu+SInDAXqGheFMCcwFMuKEcqz s0yGTDko+anK6ffhHi4uCxOx4U/rJmZK76paueJ/HfjJHioOUtBiauXH0cT43UjuFiN1 nlrM3ouzxG8wo2DCfTn7RktliPlx2Je470V5hpHpxm3wa+1U/u428oJKRX8Io7OnUIwC qZ9sWpkC9b4PjWODYzJBimjguAN+V+YCwZ14dUbFUMpAZPsAJcA2Z0if56HjoA5ccO5n 6SsQ== d70mr548034yhl.161.1369341700591; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (71-15-226-95.dhcp.sffl.va.charter.com. [71.15.226.95]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c18sm19515742yho.13.2013.05.23.13.41.39 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 May 2013 13:41:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "H. B. Elam" Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 16:41:39 -0400 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] 4bbl Manifold Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Looking for a low rise TIGER intake manifold, a Ford equivalent or even the Ford part number. Any help appreciated. Harry Elam _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 15:12:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EC14277B for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 15:12:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120824276C for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 15:12:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4NL8XQb000972; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:09:13 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id sj1-dm103.5192ebfe.117ec7; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:09:06 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.140.59]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Thu, 23 May 2013 21:08:59 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'H. B. Elam'" , Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 17:08:50 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5X9oxvuLSxTQPIQKmPaR38feQ0RQAAePUg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-23_08:2013-05-23,2013-05-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1305230239 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 4bbl Manifold Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Harry Ford 4bbl intake manifold - C4OE-9425-B C5OE-9425-A I'm not sure how low rise they are. Check Mustangtek for more intake manifold information. http://www.mustangtek.com/FordIntake.html Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of H. B. Elam Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:42 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 4bbl Manifold Looking for a low rise TIGER intake manifold, a Ford equivalent or even the Ford part number. Any help appreciated. Harry Elam _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 16:36:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A88A427C4 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 16:36:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4AC4006E for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 16:30:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homef2683adebd ([unknown] [173.78.146.47]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MN9009QZVP0Z690@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 23 May 2013 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "Scattt" To: "Terry Packer" , References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CED78@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <1369335074.78586.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 18:27:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I had to build a new cubby for the Imp which runs from door to door. Used the flocking method and it still looks good years later. Still have some flocking left if you want to try that method. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Packer" To: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:51 PM Subject: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? > Has anyone had success renewing the color and fuzzy texture on the > interior of the dash board glove box? Suggestions appreciated. > > Terry Packer > 9470018 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/scattt@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 17:15:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3063427C9 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 17:15:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f46.google.com (mail-qe0-f46.google.com [209.85.128.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E854276E for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 17:15:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 1so2111936qee.5 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 16:11:58 -0700 (PDT) h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=NP+094qxFVXO25w8aVMGuMcRsAy0Y/rpUEmSg5tr0mw=; b=NxoLakYYd+0yuMJijNv1MfSCFrbzmInF2gswjOPO5mwqbAkx1wXo+MzkJ5KKrmKNi9 o1TtcEwh9RkandPyzw2yNl+Xm5bFqFB1wgHeK7ydq5uZB0DWwBXWZNfNGrLDVjbbOydd MWYD6pPaPjKERbTIfb84iUljtVHYPMUVPUjYg= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=NP+094qxFVXO25w8aVMGuMcRsAy0Y/rpUEmSg5tr0mw=; b=VfHkHcZS+je9eJB4CPHBFHQiqd/GF99nnKBVfWwZrI+/H7W/nHVrtv7s9DzywjQzFS aTC/e8z5BigYdyYXaAWKvdVkARZ8MBZKZcT8Nn/jsH7Nvy7F6khZC7eKgBWuvlmNCJS1 MVXLaQjEHCKAx3UtDhcgxA34D38GWIb9cKuUhuU1Y6McarPzk1STybvcSwh88ey2EW+P vhvL9aT6ebTrP/Ud4utpaw8N6VedxZ3vpYiBJaBEukGU/aIrSzPrInMnBS2V5l3Jwbi4 6nFvatRg6UcGrKwDnQ0RXGzaGSuLmc1lSLXrLNS6pCaH+LL39AyDXJlvLklmEh68Wm/M D9PA== bj5mr462098qcb.39.1369350718530; Thu, 23 May 2013 16:11:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CED78@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <1369335074.78586.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Dave Munroe Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 20:11:57 -0300 To: Scattt Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Terry: If you want to save yourself a lot of trouble, here is a repro cubby for $37.50. I bought one of these a few months back and they are an excellent reproduction. i don"t think you couod tell the difference from a NOS. Dave http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_osacat=0&_armrs=1&_ssn=jackjilli&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0&_nkw=sunbeam+alpine+tiger+glove+box&_sacat=6000&_from=R40 Sent from my iPad On 2013-05-23, at 7:33 PM, Scattt wrote: I had to build a new cubby for the Imp which runs from door to door. Used the flocking method and it still looks good years later. Still have some flocking left if you want to try that method. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Packer" To: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:51 PM Subject: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Has anyone had success renewing the color and fuzzy texture on the interior of the dash board glove box? Suggestions appreciated. Terry Packer 9470018 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/scattt@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 19:28:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2824053E for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 19:28:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f177.google.com (mail-ie0-f177.google.com [209.85.223.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BCE6403F1 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 19:28:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 9so10560518iec.22 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 18:24:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ArW0Pxlz6XHegotzFX2Eggru+z2pyf0NgZdUGzp3/zA=; b=adr1LfiRnRfzO4x1Z3cc4SLLmHkdoLSu+modi6lv4WSG+dY23h9EtSxeVhvhWtitVC io0lJTzDKij8eYDhy+/XhKNzzcytYpxAi8ks82dpkXJ/8SZXCY5EAMtvkPmsDH0H9rGj OdzSAB4Zbb5Wphq/1BwXDefkWHbx1kxpqTJ99a7N25kfU0/lWdAn/O8+5pFjIAJF8R2G gMTIo6xPYU/lBTTRuO12tC01rMpV32DHnpLvdOhfXvw/xwi7RDJd3krE/0UiPMu0XrHg oakh6dVGmCsgpImIkqDuKECAiyq0oIBoRtkh0IvffnRm/21+gZBZNbYmicLsnPq2Qkfe 9YIw== e5mr1337995igx.85.1369358699303; Thu, 23 May 2013 18:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.91.135 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 18:24:59 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 11:24:59 +1000 From: michael king To: "H. B. Elam" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] 4bbl Manifold Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Harry, this is on ebay now: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Small-Block-Ford-Low-Profile-Aluminum-4-bbl-Intake-Holley-1965-S-B-F-/200926731768?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ec82a9df8&vxp=mtr no connection to seller. On 24 May 2013 06:41, H. B. Elam wrote: > Looking for a low rise TIGER intake manifold, a Ford equivalent or even the > Ford part number. Any help appreciated. > Harry Elam > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 20:28:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F264054B for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 20:28:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f176.google.com (mail-ie0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E634040A for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 20:28:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f176.google.com with SMTP id at1so10732890iec.35 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 19:25:08 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=D4M4zLQ8dl1sS/QP7LEFBoLxnvZyRYc9xZLPtS2JDVg=; b=grnik5VangMD7R3D6Vhe6s9raARUHuKnikAjp3M1+Na6ZawY3ky8RxQd/k6nL1Wa9D WnwGV9dUjFL0bRepW4lf2+hDb70b2sGpCWoN4waGPTcCEItY4BbItUAOruoVsGAUrl9B IIHwwBgSbDCEa1R1DTSHuMzulVonH7f69NaFDVG+qJgWauZge6L3HaFSu33B2y6NBseQ +6W1g4K/hZ3PiEYS0X6Mdl7SWene+kpBNWq0sNkA6RNKknFG8gT/Lo6RwqFOJl07v1yF 1ubJFhLVj5xSEZs0jtJwDUmoYmvTmJ508D21MIofhXuPpsJl2hBMkOD0cg7GuVyxFPhs Prng== e5mr1412246igx.85.1369362308715; Thu, 23 May 2013 19:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.91.135 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 19:25:08 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 12:25:08 +1000 From: michael king To: David or Gary Franchi Cc: "H.B.Elam" , Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] 4bbl Manifold Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net David, I think the repro "TIGER" lettered low rise were done by "bluethunder"? I had the info somewhere. There were 3 different "TIGER" lettered manifolds.low mid and high rise. At least 2 were dont off the cobra castings. On 24 May 2013 12:12, David or Gary Franchi wrote: > That eBay manifold is for, I believe, a boat of some other application. > The only correct 4 barrel low rise would be the Aluminum "TIGER" marked > intake. Of course anyone could have used a Ford cast iron intake, but it > wasn't a Tiger option. There are reproduction "TIGER" and "COBRA" low rise > manifolds, but I believe they stopped making them a few years ago. > > David Franchi > > > -----Original Message----- > From: michael king > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:24 PM > To: H. B. Elam > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 4bbl Manifold > > Harry, > > this is on ebay now: > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Small-Block-Ford-Low-Profile-Aluminum-4-bbl-Intake-Holley-1965-S-B-F-/200926731768?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ec82a9df8&vxp=mtr > > no connection to seller. > > On 24 May 2013 06:41, H. B. Elam wrote: > > > Looking for a low rise TIGER intake manifold, a Ford equivalent or even > the > > Ford part number. Any help appreciated. > > Harry Elam > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wwwdg@webtv.net > > > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 20:32:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354A340E16 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 20:32:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cmta1.telus.net (cmta1.telus.net [209.171.16.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CC7403CF for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 20:32:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TerryPC ([137.186.137.72]) by cmta1.telus.net with TELUS id feVH1l00d1ZuBbd01eVHAP; Thu, 23 May 2013 20:29:18 -0600 a=tx+9PMunBUe/QF2t/01neQ==:17 a=jxCtRKs0gNgA:10 a=LGgl8L9ij00A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=aatUQebYAAAA:8 a=8WnMmiT57EIA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=xbjnpERP861bahMuR8oA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=r7IBqzim9H8A:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=rBKJJ2Jc0C4A:10 a=tx+9PMunBUe/QF2t/01neQ==:117 From: "Terry" To: References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CED78@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com><1369335074.78586.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <977066321630931735@unknownmsgid> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 20:29:07 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The original cubby was riveted not stapled Terry B9471362 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Munroe" To: "Scattt" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? > Terry: > > If you want to save yourself a lot of trouble, here is a repro cubby for > $37.50. I bought one of these a few months back and they are an excellent > reproduction. i don"t think you couod tell the difference from a NOS. > > Dave > http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_osacat=0&_armrs=1&_ssn=jackjilli&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0&_nkw=sunbeam+alpine+tiger+glove+box&_sacat=6000&_from=R40 > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 2013-05-23, at 7:33 PM, Scattt wrote: > > I had to build a new cubby for the Imp which runs from door to door. Used > the flocking method and it still looks good years later. Still have some > flocking left if you want to try that method. > Nick > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Packer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:51 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? > > > Has anyone had success renewing the color and fuzzy texture on the > interior > of the dash board glove box? Suggestions appreciated. > > > Terry Packer > > 9470018 > > _______________________________________________ > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/scattt@verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/strombecker@telus.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 22:00:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951AD4053E for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 22:00:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95024041B for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 21:58:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNA00LJJAUQPV10@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 23 May 2013 22:54:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 20:54:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 4bbl Manifold Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wow, you would think the bottom of the intake ports are possibly notched (indented) to clear the lifters on that low rise (if "rise" is even applicable) of a manifold. I find it interesting that certain manifolds such as the low rise D1JE-9425-AA on my Tiger have a marine designation. You would think that a high rise manifold would be more applicable power wise and hood (or in this case engine cover) clearance would be a none issue on a boat. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael king" To: "H. B. Elam" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 4bbl Manifold > Harry, > > this is on ebay now: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Small-Block-Ford-Low-Profile-Aluminum-4-bbl-Intake-Holley-1965-S-B-F-/200926731768?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ec82a9df8&vxp=mtr > > no connection to seller. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 06:12:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C790440E1C for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 06:12:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f42.google.com (mail-qe0-f42.google.com [209.85.128.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9683403FA for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 06:09:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f42.google.com with SMTP id cz11so2543517qeb.15 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 05:05:52 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=RQOClJY9I0pLf03EfkqnngOYOCH850T0rmU57jsIv6k=; b=HWFUGYZU02xhhzpNTVFh2PqlyAZ/ovsRD73qSzr5HafVCKDxJcV+n29/mlD4WHPEqC wn0MM0uMBFbXp1LKecTb7x2Ec1H1DXtD/Zy/hzz4VWCdoyJg53TA9EqlIeFl2dX+J0z7 59eTCVV25LatAexPcRK3cYgbK9JEfLw2Wxq9A= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=RQOClJY9I0pLf03EfkqnngOYOCH850T0rmU57jsIv6k=; b=Ax2cC5jbja1pg0oSbP1b5LFiYgk+adcUOYIVZusdDxy/in8Kp5FksBuugAiR1Kc6/u nsf0ATfn/VawftbMu+CdPgFRHQfYEfGEi9BRW5IeBBddf15RKp8FVcrvKEtDDSB0RZlk ar0cVnnP+/PKiWLG/E6YkhPRIaz9vJ1BSCi6XC8sMECqD3azANXeReSWRUqUgp9Auu+1 VvHroJOO9slvP4zgFj1ay+ukqh71dXlnQXCDvdO8vwDcTdVgKX7+NstJs5kKqGkGCsVx 8ksEZCPqhb1nxjL3zF6hu7OXUNMQwoPX8LKl8DE8XwyIx92cPKOG8xqjK4bx7Z8N51aD DNfw== u7mr16081035qau.76.1369397152393; Fri, 24 May 2013 05:05:52 -0700 (PDT) References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CED78@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <1369335074.78586.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <977066321630931735@unknownmsgid> From: Dave Munroe Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 09:05:52 -0300 To: Terry Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Terry wrote: "The original cubby was riveted not stapled...." This is an interesting comment. My Tiger cubby is stapled; I have seen many stapled cubby's at shows, other Tiger gatherings and by examining photos of Tigers for sale on eBay and other internet sites. i have never seen a riveted cubby. When were riveted cubby's fitted to Tigers and when did they move to/from assembling with staples? Dave Sent from my iPad On 2013-05-23, at 11:29 PM, Terry wrote: > The original cubby was riveted not stapled > > Terry > B9471362 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Munroe" > To: "Scattt" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? > > >> Terry: >> >> If you want to save yourself a lot of trouble, here is a repro cubby for >> $37.50. I bought one of these a few months back and they are an excellent >> reproduction. i don"t think you couod tell the difference from a NOS. >> >> Dave >> http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_osacat=0&_armrs=1&_ssn=jackjilli&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0&_nkw=sunbeam+alpine+tiger+glove+box&_sacat=6000&_from=R40 >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 2013-05-23, at 7:33 PM, Scattt wrote: >> >> I had to build a new cubby for the Imp which runs from door to door. Used >> the flocking method and it still looks good years later. Still have some >> flocking left if you want to try that method. >> Nick >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Packer" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:51 PM >> Subject: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? >> >> >> Has anyone had success renewing the color and fuzzy texture on the interior >> of the dash board glove box? Suggestions appreciated. >> >> >> Terry Packer >> >> 9470018 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/scattt@verizon.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/strombecker@telus.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 08:29:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E06740C01 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 08:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mx04.gis.net (mx04.gis.net [208.218.130.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3FB40555 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 08:23:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.130.20]) by mx04.gis.net; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:20:14 -0400 From: "rande@thecia.net" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 10:20:15 -0400 Priority: normal Subject: [Tigers] Cubby box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My Tiger IA uses rivets for the original cubby box. According to the June 1968 parts catalogue, the same box part number was used from the first Alpine IV (no separate listing for Tiger)until the end of production, and the separate Alpine III number was eventually superceded to the Alpine IV number. Rande IA number 48 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 09:04:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A1942772 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 09:04:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cmta9.telus.net (cmta9.telus.net [209.171.16.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C44403D0 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 08:58:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TerryPC ([137.186.137.72]) by cmta9.telus.net with TELUS id fqvA1l0051ZuBbd01qvAl2; Fri, 24 May 2013 08:55:11 -0600 a=tx+9PMunBUe/QF2t/01neQ==:17 a=jxCtRKs0gNgA:10 a=LGgl8L9ij00A:10 a=aatUQebYAAAA:8 a=8WnMmiT57EIA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=HucFhKkE-Gh42cs2GRUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=r7IBqzim9H8A:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=rBKJJ2Jc0C4A:10 a=nTcfmZcqvqVbKK6WkgMA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=EDBMn9W_TwRM0neR:21 a=tx+9PMunBUe/QF2t/01neQ==:117 From: "Terry" To: References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CED78@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com><1369335074.78586.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <977066321630931735@unknownmsgid> <20130524110949.5931146.41380.1761@munroe.ca> Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 08:54:58 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My cubby is the original one. It was riveted, and it is a MK1. I do not know if they changed them after the 1965, but it is interesting fact if the later ones were stapled. Anyone have any facts on this, or input. What year and is your cubby stapled or riveted. There may be a lot of reproduction ones out there, and people do not realize they have been replaced. Terry b9471362 ----- Original Message ----- From: dave@munroe.ca To: Terry Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Hi Terry: The riveted cubby must be date/Se # specific . My car (B382000450) has the original cubby still fitted, and it has staples. Do you know when the rivet/staple transition took place? What is the se # of your car? Does it have a riveted cubby? Interesting. Dave Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network. From: Terry Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 11:29 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? The original cubby was riveted not stapled Terry B9471362 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Munroe" To: "Scattt" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? > Terry: > > If you want to save yourself a lot of trouble, here is a repro cubby for > $37.50. I bought one of these a few months back and they are an excellent > reproduction. i don"t think you couod tell the difference from a NOS. > > Dave > http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_osacat=0&_armrs=1&_ssn=jackjilli&_trks id=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0&_nkw=sunbeam+alpine+tiger+glove+box&_sacat=60 00&_from=R40 > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 2013-05-23, at 7:33 PM, Scattt wrote: > > I had to build a new cubby for the Imp which runs from door to door. Used > the flocking method and it still looks good years later. Still have some > flocking left if you want to try that method. > Nick > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Packer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:51 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? > > > Has anyone had success renewing the color and fuzzy texture on the > interior > of the dash board glove box? Suggestions appreciated. > > > Terry Packer > > 9470018 > > _______________________________________________ > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/scattt@verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/strombecker@telus.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 11:36:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A2E40555 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:36:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f173.google.com (mail-vc0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C21C40447 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id ht10so3318442vcb.4 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ExsYMdNtEZhcrOae8U3XX48N5fiEUPqMb+OWr9Zvw9M=; b=B/7bYL8IHTzm1OeBNYmjQI97L99SicZkaAy1pWvkYGFYnEnOgx7rXplb6chlBpDk6Q 3O4EMp7mxQQovhmL5n7KzrEauxbiKdlcgm+qebQ//re8KiBVsO7kvnHHik5r6qbq86Yv pDIRRfvBmASVJV5jZywalViU6JDJ7Kd7VuEDlu3xYD+VcOCgniHOXfzpzGl4ZFXY4Lqo +aUnKieE8mBcNdAm8GUYGbB9+BXyk8yMpfd5blop4Kz6g4VMt4z8BW3EID60uMzXXdXk 75D46NHKuc2WRsKPsRY2H2i3T7G53KS16g021RFSdO4wQtaw9nexOzZCwulkMubh/Em0 oDug== fy18mr9252970vec.41.1369416740146; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT) References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CED78@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <1369335074.78586.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <977066321630931735@unknownmsgid> <20130524110949.5931146.41380.1761@munroe.ca> <61D4C064C77140E5B40DC60C6391185D@TerryPC> Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 10:32:20 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Terry Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My VERY late SV Alpine, like less than 200 from the end, had rivets. On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Terry wrote: > My cubby is the original one. It was riveted, and it is a MK1. I do not > know if they changed them after the 1965, but it is interesting fact if the > later ones were stapled. Anyone have any facts on this, or input. What > year > and is your cubby stapled or riveted. There may be a lot of reproduction > ones > out there, and people do not realize they have been replaced. > > Terry > b9471362 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dave@munroe.ca > To: Terry > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? > > > Hi Terry: > The riveted cubby must be date/Se # specific . My car (B382000450) has > the > original cubby still fitted, and it has staples. Do you know when the > rivet/staple transition took place? > What is the se # of your car? Does it have a riveted cubby? > Interesting. > Dave _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 12:39:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E5A40547 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:39:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2917940534 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fpns1l0050QuhwU58uaN50; Fri, 24 May 2013 18:34:22 +0000 Received: from OldHickory.comcast.net ([24.125.152.229]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fuaN1l0094xDDKL3NuaNVC; Fri, 24 May 2013 18:34:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 14:31:21 -0400 To: Jay Laifman ,Terry From: Marc James Small mail.com> References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CED78@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <1369335074.78586.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <977066321630931735@unknownmsgid> <20130524110949.5931146.41380.1761@munroe.ca> <61D4C064C77140E5B40DC60C6391185D@TerryPC> s=q20121106; t=1369420462; bh=Omx6+Np55RiHOhSvkwe3Anxg9znT7VJC5M7r+u31DIw=; h=Received:Received:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=V5VUDtY/eAT10e14Aw0KLkt3B1anGRX0ihphDh06xmaMWUbwIdUclJwHLJb+Z9moK 0reAYsaHYOmDz3iUYjxe+ESWiePl4SXMfcZzW89A/I2NMrrGoPHNCXcGjwQ8DNuO26 /7WBfzDUNxclK0a6tb3ZEdPoqg2LzL43EBAtDNJUI6MKZYwEiLCBc1IAbybqLoJOJx gA1jYTzc8dzcpuCoy/pA0lT4elsEDuBUc7wCr6ryDvQgnQbjfpmvk3H4+ekahSz24a o8Jn5WurzxIss5IQ0Mr+mx01HFowLSyzoCptStXGZ+SYdwzkoo6zmlZjpWN36Rduqo p6tfDDoq/jhJA== Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At 01:32 PM 5/24/2013, Jay Laifman wrote: >My VERY late SV Alpine, like less than 200 from the end, had rivets. > It also has a hand-crank nut at the front of the crankshaft. At the end, Rootes was simply emptying warehouses of any remaining parts in order to get the cars out of the door. I did hand-crank my SV Alpine several times but the I used to start my 36hp VW by wrapping a leather belt around the generator pulley after pulling out the hand choke. I had a bunch of easily impressionable friends back forty years ago. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 12:41:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8AC40397 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEB840397 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ha11so3319046vcb.7 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:37:26 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FsGAl7cw0AV+ZoMcGy6KRljMnAiFxZCUcRP7PEmQUIk=; b=DGbulnaul1KAS+/XyAD7UZtbrYZWdYyfvzS5y9i0xKioP5albKbUq85E+qISY4Q2oM FL0qR/FnlKJEgcRofHRrqi5Fv1rQlcBoh1IPbfRugZzW2Npnlpfe68yIkCG1LvfVLWvg n9o5Eo8udNOxAhbgqSmVy8GOHDeLgyglqqBWi3eSpxzhDqlHQju+F7iLK6xqJ7tGmBLm EtPPRZ3tPVxTFgDxgJA7oUUYrarfwcmAEQWeb2NL9N2wWKT/kNHB9Sax2m+f5aruq+Ag ESGeJxyl3QGClQZiNVbyTeaB5VVwb/Q7SAaowB2SmAYFltKFLFFxWLkcrOyU7/OIbRVI aovw== m20mr9484533vck.46.1369420646159; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:37:26 -0700 (PDT) References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CED78@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <1369335074.78586.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <977066321630931735@unknownmsgid> <20130524110949.5931146.41380.1761@munroe.ca> <61D4C064C77140E5B40DC60C6391185D@TerryPC> <519fb2af.486b340a.335f.6e12SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 11:37:26 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Marc James Small Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, but my point was that even at the very end, they were still using rivets. Also, I remember reading in one of the books that the shut down was not expected. So that it wasn't like they had to throw parts together to get them out the door. Instead, they were left with extra parts. I don't know which one is true. I just know I read that in one of the Sunbeam books. On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Marc James Small wrote: > At 01:32 PM 5/24/2013, Jay Laifman wrote: > >My VERY late SV Alpine, like less than 200 from the end, had rivets. > > > > It also has a hand-crank nut at the front of the crankshaft. At the end, > Rootes was simply emptying warehouses of any remaining parts in order to > get the cars out of the door. > > I did hand-crank my SV Alpine several times but the I used to start my > 36hp VW by wrapping a leather belt around the generator pulley after > pulling out the hand choke. I had a bunch of easily impressionable friends > back forty years ago. > > Marc > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 12:52:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB7440532 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:52:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4EBF403F5 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:46:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fmqo1l00A1wpRvQ5EujMzM; Fri, 24 May 2013 18:43:21 +0000 Received: from OldHickory.comcast.net ([24.125.152.229]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fujL1l00J4xDDKL3eujLxW; Fri, 24 May 2013 18:43:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 14:43:18 -0400 To: Jay Laifman From: Marc James Small mail.com> References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CED78@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <1369335074.78586.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <977066321630931735@unknownmsgid> <20130524110949.5931146.41380.1761@munroe.ca> <61D4C064C77140E5B40DC60C6391185D@TerryPC> <519fb2af.486b340a.335f.6e12SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> s=q20121106; t=1369421001; bh=Ko9/EiER6xBHnD8jB6s162vT7E1wgji6hxWW1rh+3RA=; h=Received:Received:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=LIDyIEgXqah5GlxoiQCIxel4Isg2T37IvwBHOoy63XfuD3yWFU5vRYQf5iEe2P6aO QVjvaelhQvALutTFOKG8rwmVg0IdvJHMTw1hZcRICaYt/1+vtFTj/Q3HHifqUyF7DH tg25WxU2nL6LvQYpS2VneFfZsVtcMilCWIJyeVxxRVvmm7NYdnuw7JJTRMcTF8+OzV ZS8UXESdrr5ucfa2q9GVVI9nLYmGj7ukHJUNBpdZulUImXGYUy2z0msK9HwsRxn6Qv u6BWSkIua81bJSJs5PH9D71RWzPzNho9h8t0jV3u2KyaKB381e0YIwWZH3595SUiL5 dW/GYkH511bYg== Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At 02:37 PM 5/24/2013, Jay Laifman wrote: >Yeah, but my point was that even at the very >end, they were still using rivets. > >Also, I remember reading in one of the books >that the shut down was not expected. So that it >wasn't like they had to throw parts together to >get them out the door. Instead, they were left >with extra parts. I don't know which one is >true. I just know I read that in one of the Sunbeam books. Jay The Alpine IV came with a flat bolt at the end of the crank. On the V, they went back to the earlier version with the hand-crank fitting. Occam's Razor certainly suggests that they used up the last of the flat-headed bolts when they converted from the IV to the V and that they were low on funds to buy more. And then someone with an historical bent of mind slapped himself on the forehead and said, 'wait a minute, chaps! We have boxes and boxes of those old hand cranks and hand-crank bolts over in Warehouse 14! Let's use them to save some bucks!" We know that somewhere between late Tiger I and early Tiger II production, they began to use the stapled cubbies. I would suggest that the one in your uber-late Alpine V was a riveted one just because they were using up old stock. Nothing else makes much sense. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 12:53:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA91940518 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:53:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38A4403F0 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:48:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4OIgsjF007627; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:44:56 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b1b4) id sj1-dm103.5192ebfe.133b9b; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:44:46 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Terry'" , Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 14:44:33 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5Yj3xX0805Q91ZQ4KJiYSXW64n+gAHCTAg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-24_07:2013-05-24,2013-05-24,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1305240207 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is an interesting question. The Alpine Parts List has several diagrams of the cubby and they all show what appear to be rivets. A change to staples means: 1 - there was a change in assembly line for the cubby 2 - the cubby was sourced from a different manufacturer 3 - more cubbies were needed for production - a 2nd source was used 4 - staples were a cost reduction measure 5 - Staples = reproduction??? My early Mk IA Tiger was produced in Aug 1965; it has a stapled cubby but I think it is a reproduction since I had to make attachment clips to secure it to the dash. I'll have to look to see if I still have an original cubby. Seems to me I have one hiding somewhere. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Terry Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:55 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? My cubby is the original one. It was riveted, and it is a MK1. I do not know if they changed them after the 1965, but it is interesting fact if the later ones were stapled. Anyone have any facts on this, or input. What year and is your cubby stapled or riveted. There may be a lot of reproduction ones out there, and people do not realize they have been replaced. Terry b9471362 ----- Original Message ----- From: dave@munroe.ca To: Terry Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Hi Terry: The riveted cubby must be date/Se # specific . My car (B382000450) has the original cubby still fitted, and it has staples. Do you know when the rivet/staple transition took place? What is the se # of your car? Does it have a riveted cubby? Interesting. Dave Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network. From: Terry Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 11:29 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? The original cubby was riveted not stapled Terry B9471362 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 14:24:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A349403F0 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 14:24:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B71E403D7 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 14:16:44 -0600 (MDT) a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:17 a=253cKie21zsA:10 a=nWZo5VSqEgYA:10 a=jxCtRKs0gNgA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=8WnMmiT57EIA:10 a=FYOTqYqXVhSM1g43hTUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:117 Received: from [72.224.119.118] ([72.224.119.118:50612] helo=[192.168.1.114]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 74/C8-02984-3D9CF915; Fri, 24 May 2013 20:13:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 16:13:07 -0400 From: Tod Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My Tiger is a late MkIA (B382002384), off the line in late August of 1966. I am the original owner. When I renewed the cubby box a couple of years ago, the original was stapled. Could the changeover have been restricted to the Tiger (Jensen) assembly line and never implemented on the Alpine assembly line and could it have been brought on by the Chrysler takeover? Did it make a difference that the Tiger dash is wood and the Alpine plastic? This stuff gets almost as complicated as tracking down my genealogy! Too bad we can't do genetic tests on Rootes vehicles. Cheers, Tod Brown _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 14:25:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24174056A for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 14:25:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1363403D7 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 14:18:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fvJG1l0030S2fkCA7wFLNS; Fri, 24 May 2013 20:15:20 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fwFK1l00y2yr1eL8VwFKl2; Fri, 24 May 2013 20:15:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 20:15:19 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com s=q20121106; t=1369426520; bh=bLkegqZnIBxwvDgdIsqmuYQqSrSnn/oURGa0Yg0rIm8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=NV31Vyh2/BZK/47nOPh5/mghQcFpp7wNe5Mw7oNO4sQE/AVbxL5CAyhGirTGk+M/1 ZSa/fVWya6ucFv9ZBHbzr3IKErWeJdVbMLASnK9RDE9jTAxgOWo9Oa73Jnhf1eW/Px rOgUodCK8jEdJ3fU37cDtK6x1fbiOa/uRBcTLUaCex9jFSSrTygQu7eLwlwXGqK7na rfk2gJ2DyE+4v1mSzJ2XWnC4VKXamLEZ0LcHsk+bLmqoLX6BSsLr0LS9cfsOiOtlTX V3b5VID9UKQZ2jtWV3Ufqj9LpTiV6aIliiOvPTw3THuIf3dp0E5FeI0gYMH5KhrmID MhBDNXhT/aZXQ== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For whatever little it may be worth, the box original to my Mark IA as delivered to me new from the dealer has rivets. I still have it in somewhat collapsed/torn condition in a cabinet (just checked to be sure), Car's vin is 1447, which is certainly not end of production, but is at least a point of reference in terms of production line usage. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: "Terry" , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:44:33 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box This is an interesting question. The Alpine Parts List has several diagrams of the cubby and they all show what appear to be rivets. A change to staples means: 1 - there was a change in assembly line for the cubby 2 - the cubby was sourced from a different manufacturer 3 - more cubbies were needed for production - a 2nd source was used 4 - staples were a cost reduction measure 5 - Staples = reproduction??? My early Mk IA Tiger was produced in Aug 1965; it has a stapled cubby but I think it is a reproduction since I had to make attachment clips to secure it to the dash. I'll have to look to see if I still have an original cubby. Seems to me I have one hiding somewhere. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Terry Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:55 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? My cubby is the original one. It was riveted, and it is a MK1. I do not know if they changed them after the 1965, but it is interesting fact if the later ones were stapled. Anyone have any facts on this, or input. What year and is your cubby stapled or riveted. There may be a lot of reproduction ones out there, and people do not realize they have been replaced. Terry b9471362 ----- Original Message ----- From: dave@munroe.ca To: Terry Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? Hi Terry: The riveted cubby must be date/Se # specific . My car (B382000450) has the original cubby still fitted, and it has staples. Do you know when the rivet/staple transition took place? What is the se # of your car? Does it have a riveted cubby? Interesting. Dave Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network. From: Terry Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 11:29 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? The original cubby was riveted not stapled Terry B9471362 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 17:14:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A561440522 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 17:14:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f51.google.com (mail-qa0-f51.google.com [209.85.216.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2C3403CF for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 17:13:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ii15so186413qab.3 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:09:35 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=51R/YKwo9ZAbjnrx1xAXIgKVAuA+kVzL9ihAg/RaOno=; b=Pwkip76cBdwSdEPD0qTIhFAyRkFKF2mPCjoTjHVOPxyJ2CZHfsrdfMdEWiRF0WeMie qmBeRTU1y6ddeqxMZceLMaJRqW3Q/4e3JqtDXOvDCGesNCvcLFxDnpRfE7kVtA52ojzR iR/b2LoIt90uvUO8kTMZMWZeAGaFG0lAo1BEaT/t/NrDLHVAlh92xmwbIYv/aVOFCgFL sHoupLqUIFDkYWS77saQ5YZIMhnhO4STYW1t+wCc8n5yv1u9svYsA+jfjFCGAUqWP2KO 33KJ8x0Ac45bq6mozStda+NHb+aZ8kX6eKNIphUuxu7GUK1YdMGuhHyWktFuq2NJxrYm ImBQ== g9mr2766427qcy.66.1369436975716; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.232 with HTTP; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:09:35 -0700 (PDT) References: <82445A9E035A488B952A345997A086EF@ronpc1> <1353457462.395852.1369426519871.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 19:09:35 -0400 From: Jeffery Randall To: genepadgett@comcast.net Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have 9 sunbeams 7 alpines ,2 tigers ,all have riveted cubbies On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:15 PM, wrote: > For whatever little it may be worth, the box original to my Mark IA as > delivered to me new from the dealer has rivets. I still have it in somewhat > collapsed/torn condition in a cabinet (just checked to be sure), Car's vin > is 1447, which is certainly not end of production, but is at least a point > of reference in terms of production line usage. > > > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Fraser" > To: "Terry" , tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:44:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box > > This is an interesting question. The Alpine Parts List has several > diagrams of the cubby and they all show what appear to be rivets. > > A change to staples means: > 1 - there was a change in assembly line for the cubby > 2 - the cubby was sourced from a different manufacturer > 3 - more cubbies were needed for production - a 2nd source was used > 4 - staples were a cost reduction measure > 5 - Staples = reproduction??? > > My early Mk IA Tiger was produced in Aug 1965; it has a stapled cubby but I > think it is a reproduction since I had to make attachment clips to secure > it > to the dash. > > I'll have to look to see if I still have an original cubby. Seems to me I > have one hiding somewhere. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Terry > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:55 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? > > > My cubby is the original one. It was riveted, and it is a MK1. I do not > know > if they changed them after the 1965, but it is interesting fact if the > later > ones were stapled. Anyone have any facts on this, or input. What year and > is your cubby stapled or riveted. There may be a lot of reproduction ones > out there, and people do not realize they have been replaced. > > Terry > b9471362 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dave@munroe.ca > To: Terry > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? > > > Hi Terry: > The riveted cubby must be date/Se # specific . My car (B382000450) has the > original cubby still fitted, and it has staples. Do you know when the > rivet/staple transition took place? > What is the se # of your car? Does it have a riveted cubby? > Interesting. > Dave > > > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network. > From: Terry > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 11:29 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Renewal? > > > > The original cubby was riveted not stapled > > Terry > B9471362 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 08:52:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CBE74051C for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 08:52:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF4640415 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 08:51:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4PEgln6029822; Sat, 25 May 2013 07:47:39 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189576) id sj1-dm103.5192ebfe.159786; Sat, 25 May 2013 07:47:09 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jeffery Randall'" , Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 10:46:42 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5Y1Mtz0344aOEFTJ6h5UbKtMPohAAgCEwg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-24_11:2013-05-24,2013-05-24,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1305250141 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I found my original torn up Cubby and it has 26 rivets holding it together. There are no ID marks visible but there are several differences between the original and the reproduction cubby I installed. Original Cubby Material thickness - around .110" Material is a press paper with surface texture on the outside Material color is Tan with black paint on the bottom and sides 26 large head steel rivets 3 split small head steel rivets for the 3 attachment right angle steel brackets There are machine made creases for the corners and 1 crease along the long edge at the bottom of the Cubby Reproduction Cubby Staples Material thickness - .080" Material color is medium to dark gray with a smooth surface texture No machine made creases anywhere Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Jeffery Randall [mailto:jefferyrandall@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 7:10 PM To: genepadgett@comcast.net Cc: rfraser@bluefrog.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box I have 9 sunbeams 7 alpines ,2 tigers ,all have riveted cubbies On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:15 PM, wrote: For whatever little it may be worth, the box original to my Mark IA as delivered to me new from the dealer has rivets. I still have it in somewhat collapsed/torn condition in a cabinet (just checked to be sure), Car's vin is 1447, which is certainly not end of production, but is at least a point of reference in terms of production line usage. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: "Terry" , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:44:33 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby Box This is an interesting question. The Alpine Parts List has several diagrams of the cubby and they all show what appear to be rivets. A change to staples means: 1 - there was a change in assembly line for the cubby 2 - the cubby was sourced from a different manufacturer 3 - more cubbies were needed for production - a 2nd source was used 4 - staples were a cost reduction measure 5 - Staples = reproduction??? My early Mk IA Tiger was produced in Aug 1965; it has a stapled cubby but I think it is a reproduction since I had to make attachment clips to secure it to the dash. I'll have to look to see if I still have an original cubby. Seems to me I have one hiding somewhere. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 15:01:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE4F40534 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 15:01:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A52403F5 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:54:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1E8A07DA for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:53:06 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 14:53:06 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] A bit behind... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Finally getting around to sending out some Thank You notes to folks who donated during the Team.Net spring fund drive. Only about a month and a half behind. I guess it is a good way to spend Decoration Day weekend. mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 08:49:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438264051F for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 08:49:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f170.google.com (mail-qc0-f170.google.com [209.85.216.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F5E40440 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 08:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id s11so3598968qcw.1 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 07:41:10 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :content-language:thread-index; bh=1w3TWoO+FkSvK1yrbM1bPmuFkMlyf9eDf0xxod1PUvo=; b=0+P8ShVmVzd7hJN5ueROimP445ltNql7vAVFOE/yoPJAb1r8U0XJrBgYhADPo/wyx5 SN00RxMvdMo+tZsbupOdNYn2A5dQQP0UoT56vgDlkeXLhfPS0Owoqn/OxNETt/J4P6bk jJnH4alRWw4DKDu2ziLwktVEhh9Ep4aedaiRF5ZgZJXC0mkps/+bhZdfDRsLh/M4yWKE +gnwciyZwloXYprAP2hZ9LbF8Ag6+NvaDx/aNi5LwKlhlUbyJvCH/MgvtcI9LSPHzxq+ ajv8NwnY8z+VouhuagMWhjVUGcb8CrKM0Jm+uaufZT22eihAbfFZP4TIPcDbXP5TaT3r PBCA== l10mr890774qct.82.1369665670672; Mon, 27 May 2013 07:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JoeParlantiPC (pool-108-48-23-249.washdc.fios.verizon.net. [108.48.23.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j5sm24910993qan.7.2013.05.27.07.41.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 27 May 2013 07:41:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe Parlanti" To: Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 10:41:13 -0400 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac5a6Dx7y6fcy3aOR6OHbG+WFNES1g== Subject: [Tigers] Tigers East / Alpines East United XXXII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tiger Owners, On behalf of Tigers East / Alpines East I would like to invite you to United XXXII to be held in St. Michaels, Md. October 10-13. We've planned a very nice event that will offer a great mix of sightseeing, concours, tech sessions, food and driving competition. St. Michael's is a bayside community on Maryland's Eastern Shore and our host hotel will work nicely for the event. This event is open to all Sunbeam and Routes Group enthusiasts and you do not need to be a member of the club to join us. We're expecting a great turnout based on early interest which will make this event a memorable one. Tim Suddard, publisher of Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports will be a special guest with his Tiger. Here is a link to more information and registration: http://www.rootesamerica.org/ Feel free to contact me directly for any questions. We look forward to seeing you in October! Best Regards, Joe (Event organizer) 1966 Tiger Mk1a B382000026 Joseph V. Parlanti 16048 Copen Meadow Dr North Potomac, Md. 20878 Cell - 410-599-5475 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 22:34:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231BA4044B for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 22:34:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.140]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36184039F for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 22:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY175-W36 ([65.54.190.188]) by bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 27 May 2013 21:23:28 -0700 From: Karl Adey To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 00:23:28 -0400 FILETIME=[1A883A10:01CE5B5B] Subject: [Tigers] Looking for a few parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm looking for the following: -An original SU fuel pump bracket (both the straight bracket that gaps the trap door and the round one that holds the pump) -The linkage between the door latch mechanism and the exterior door handle. It's a key shaped piece of metal about the size of a dime. I have a picture of it if anyone is interested. -Uncut keys -Heater core drainage funnel I'm also interested in, but not in desperate need of: -Defroster hoses -Cubby box without hole for grab bar -Brown Soft top material Please let me know if you have a spare of any of these. Thanks, Karl PS I'd like to thank the list for all the help you have provided. My tiger will be roaring to life for the first time in nearly 20 years very soon. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 07:03:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F56340411 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 07:03:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ivic0.sogetel.net (pop3.ivic.qc.ca [66.187.114.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B6B40329 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 07:03:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ip160.125-126-74.sogetel.net ([74.126.125.160] helo=D7F0WHF1) by ivic0.sogetel.net with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UhJUv-0005cS-20; Tue, 28 May 2013 08:59:29 -0400 From: "denis mercier" To: "Karl Adey" , References: Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 08:59:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Looking for a few parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Karl. The SU fuel pump, if you are handyman is't easy to make one, i make mine and have a paper template or pattern to make straight bracket. Send me picture of door linkage. I have some rare (uncut keys(set. Heater core drainage are hard to find, i probably have one used but not in good shape. Don't have the rest. Denis Mercier Canada B382000926LRXFE TAC 861 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Adey" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:23 AM Subject: [Tigers] Looking for a few parts > I'm looking for the following: > > -An original SU fuel pump bracket (both the straight bracket that gaps the > trap door and the round one that holds the pump) > > -The linkage between the door latch mechanism and the exterior door > handle. > It's a key shaped piece of metal about the size of a dime. I have a > picture > of it if anyone is interested. > > -Uncut keys > > -Heater core drainage funnel > > > > I'm also interested in, but not in desperate need of: > > -Defroster hoses > > -Cubby box without hole for grab bar > > -Brown Soft top material > > > > Please let me know if you have a spare of any of these. > > Thanks, > > Karl > > > > PS I'd like to thank the list for all the help you have provided. My > tiger > will be roaring to life for the first time in nearly 20 years very soon. > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/denismercier@telvic.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 10:34:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B1140449 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:34:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12AA0403D5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4SGRjNR021906; Tue, 28 May 2013 09:30:06 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b1cd) id dm0213.5192ebd3.1a9851; Tue, 28 May 2013 09:29:47 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'denis mercier'" , "'Karl Adey'" , Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 12:29:44 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5bozxQMU85u+mZREGTL1z2wxgI1wAGv+og engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-28_07:2013-05-28,2013-05-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1305280149 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Looking for a few parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Karl I agree with Denis; you could make an SU fuel pump bracket from a pattern if you like to work with metal. There is someone who has keys and if you give them the tumbler number they will cut a new key for you. If you have worn keys it is better to have them cut the news ones for you rather than have a new worn key cut. Try a Google search of British Keys. Heater core drain - same part is on the Alpine if you can find a parts car - check Classic Sunbeam used parts section - Ebay Door latch part - check Classic Sunbeam Defroster hoses - Sunbeam Specialties carries them maybe Classic Sunbeam too Cubby box w/o cut out - you would have to contact whomever is reproducing them and ask for a special order Brown soft top material - Sunbeam Specialties lists Brown but it is special order only Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of denis mercier Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:59 AM To: Karl Adey; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Looking for a few parts Karl. The SU fuel pump, if you are handyman is't easy to make one, i make mine and have a paper template or pattern to make straight bracket. Send me picture of door linkage. I have some rare (uncut keys(set. Heater core drainage are hard to find, i probably have one used but not in good shape. Don't have the rest. Denis Mercier Canada B382000926LRXFE TAC 861 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Adey" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:23 AM Subject: [Tigers] Looking for a few parts > I'm looking for the following: > > -An original SU fuel pump bracket (both the straight bracket that gaps > the trap door and the round one that holds the pump) > > -The linkage between the door latch mechanism and the exterior door > handle. > It's a key shaped piece of metal about the size of a dime. I have a > picture > of it if anyone is interested. > > -Uncut keys > > -Heater core drainage funnel > > > > I'm also interested in, but not in desperate need of: > > -Defroster hoses > > -Cubby box without hole for grab bar > > -Brown Soft top material > > > > Please let me know if you have a spare of any of these. > > Thanks, > > Karl > > > > PS I'd like to thank the list for all the help you have provided. My > tiger > will be roaring to life for the first time in nearly 20 years very soon. > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/denismercier@telvic.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6363 - Release Date: 05/28/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 11:26:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968F640534 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:26:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F0C403D5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:26:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from JeffE6410ATG ([74.103.169.51]) by m1plsmtpa01-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id hVNH1l00516sh7N01VNHA6; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:22:19 -0700 From: "Jeff Feit" To: Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:22:39 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5bwQeTOm3QvOE2Qh+KijHHVYzR9A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] A few random questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello all, I've been on and off the Tiger list since 1998. To keep a very long story short, our car is a MK1A, B9471573. It has been in my wife's family since 1970 (as the second owners) and in our care since 1998. It is unrestored (although it has been painted) and while it's a little crusty and rough around the edges it's "all there". original wheels, air cleaner, tools, manuals, service records, etc. The odometer shows around 85K miles but considering it's propensity to break speedometer cables it's probably more like 90-100K. It has had the engine/trans out once for a clutch in 1972 (I have the pictures to prove it!) It hasn't been driven much in the last few years due to a move, building a garage, and an ever increasing collection of fluid leaks. I finally decided to dig in and go after all of the leaks; my plan is to basically reseal everything and avoid the "while-your-at-its" turning it into a big production. I don't want to get involved in a restoration, just keep it drivable until the day comes that I'm ready to tackle the restoration project. Since the rear main needs to be done we've taken the engine and trans out which was easy enough. Along the way we've found a few things that I have questions about (and I'm sure there will be more): 1. The exhaust pipes were attached to the manifolds with bolts. One of them broke while it was being removed but it was easily extracted. Looking at the manifolds, the holes aren't drilled and tapped all the way through, which makes me think that it originally had studs. Did the Tigers originally have studs, and if so does anyone have the dimensions? Are they Mustang manifolds/studs or something else? 2. When taking the engine out, the flat shields that go between the engine mount and block fell out along with two washers that look like they were spacers. It looks like the washers were between the shield and block. Are these washers supposed to be there? If so, which side of the shield are they supposed to go on? 3. I remember a while back that a 6-bladed fan was one of the recommendations to improve cooling. Is this still available somewhere? Since I can't get the fan off without removing the radiator, now is the time. Other than blocking off the horn holes are there any other things I should do while it's out? 4. A while ago the thermostat housing cracked. My fault due to not having the thermostat lined up all the way. At the time I needed a quick replacement so I used a cast iron part from a parts store. I'd like to get an aluminum one back on there. Is this a Mustang part or something unique? 5.The clamps on the steering rack boots are rusted through. Any source for replacements? Thanks, Jeff Feit Kennett Square, PA B9471573 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 13:17:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4FC42769 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 13:17:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E627B403BB for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 12:55:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNI00EFFV2FS280@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 28 May 2013 13:51:52 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <003101ce5bc7$f5314730$df93d590$@feitmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 11:51:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] A few random questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jeff, I'll reply to #3 and # 5. #3 The fan you inquire about is C9DZ-8600-A catalog number and CF-C9DE-A manufacturing number. While somewhat vague the reputed application is an early 70's Mavrick with an inline 6 cylinder and A/C. I do not know it they are still available from Ford. I spent YEARS (at least 10) searching self serve wrecking yards on a monthly basis before I found one. If you have the stock Tiger water pump (or hub) the center hole needs to be enlarged. A noted second option is the Volvo fan. Again, a limited application it is a 5 blade asymetrical fan. The center hole is actually a bit too large for the Tiger hub. A bushing is needed or your ability to self center the fan ( I generally rotate the fan and pulley in opposite directions to self center the bolt holes and have a second party tighten the bolts). Having found myself the desired C9DZ-8600-A. I now have three of the Volvo fans. I have a longer piece on the Volvo fan below. #5 I believe most of the rack boot repair kits come with plastic zip ties. To me that is inadaquate. Regular sized hose clamps are too large. A lot of the 80's era Volvo's and BMW's used hose clamps that are the right diameter and are narrow enough to work. The ends angle upward to resist biting into the rubber. Below is a lengthy email I sent the list years ago regarding the Volvo fan. for those who care to read: WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF THE VOLVO FAN? The fan will bolt directly to the stock Tiger water pump hub (1") without modification. HOWEVER, the center hole size on the Volvo fan is 1-1/8th inch. To center the fan the bolts can be brought just touching the fan, then with a second helper twist the fan in one direction and the hub in the other and then tighten. This will self-center the fan on the outside edges of the bolts. A second caution here. My fan comes very close to the rack so, if you motor mounts are old or spacers are missing you may still have to trim. If you are budget minded another advantage is cost. The fans I've gotten at Pick A Part have been $7 (compare that to the $250 Maverick fan!). I don't have the info in front of me, but I recall testing where the Volvo fan was third behind the Derale and Maverick fans, but still ahead quite a bit over the stock fan. WHAT DOES THE VOLVO FAN LOOK LIKE? The words Volvo and FRONT are on the center piece (hub as I call it). There are all "safety yellow" (though many are "dirty" black). The blades are offset in pairs of three and two (asymmetrical). There are three rivets per blade. The center hub is thick steel and the blades appear to be stainless. WHERE DO I FIND THE FAN? Volvo's with the older push rod engine. Not all Volvo's of this time period have the fan, in fact only a few. Most often it is the 142-144 (4cylinder) or 162-164 (6 cylinder) models. I did find a rare, but identical fan on an older Volvo 122. WHAT ARE THE PART NUMBERS? The more common number from the 140-160 series is 683541. The two I have also have IMP #'s OF 69 34 and 73 10 respectively (likely a date code). The fan from the 122 has a part number of 653841 and a secondary number of 9144580G69. I can't attest to effectivesness as my 2 year Tiger "project" is now beyond it's 4th year (strike that, now 13+ years - 2013). _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 13:19:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC314273B for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 13:19:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF6B4052F for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 12:58:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4F83670057882; Tue, 28 May 2013 14:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.146]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 356F7E00009D; Tue, 28 May 2013 14:54:51 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 14:54:51 -0400 (EDT) To: jeff@feitmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369767294; bh=UjDyD+mV7ycjcwZC+Ok316RzK4Ecg9XqCxNj59PIGuM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fDPnBFRV4tADSnzRfgn5iEThXtG99WE+7s0QQUNqbjKloDqzG3iv+3gBsXgiwVwmC u5KLJl/6hHVs5FGMnhht0y0qE4J9i5tqtVqmK/iydV5QLC8nni2bpYZ5Eqg2LZawJ/ UrAlGRKQboVaM5SEst9wHLCPf1MVF63kptsgUUXc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb51a4fd7b2bb8 Subject: Re: [Tigers] A few random questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jeff, On your #5 issue. If the clamps are rusted my guess is that the fluid could have leaked from the rack. I would suggest checking the rack for fluid and possible damage (for lack of fluid) while you have things apart. I use stainless radiator clamps and they pretty much last a lifetime if the screws are also stainless....not always the case. Mark L In a message dated 5/28/2013 1:22:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jeff@feitmail.com writes: Hello all, I've been on and off the Tiger list since 1998. To keep a very long story short, our car is a MK1A, B9471573. It has been in my wife's family since 1970 (as the second owners) and in our care since 1998. It is unrestored (although it has been painted) and while it's a little crusty and rough around the edges it's "all there". original wheels, air cleaner, tools, manuals, service records, etc. The odometer shows around 85K miles but considering it's propensity to break speedometer cables it's probably more like 90-100K. It has had the engine/trans out once for a clutch in 1972 (I have the pictures to prove it!) It hasn't been driven much in the last few years due to a move, building a garage, and an ever increasing collection of fluid leaks. I finally decided to dig in and go after all of the leaks; my plan is to basically reseal everything and avoid the "while-your-at-its" turning it into a big production. I don't want to get involved in a restoration, just keep it drivable until the day comes that I'm ready to tackle the restoration project. Since the rear main needs to be done we've taken the engine and trans out which was easy enough. Along the way we've found a few things that I have questions about (and I'm sure there will be more): 1. The exhaust pipes were attached to the manifolds with bolts. One of them broke while it was being removed but it was easily extracted. Looking at the manifolds, the holes aren't drilled and tapped all the way through, which makes me think that it originally had studs. Did the Tigers originally have studs, and if so does anyone have the dimensions? Are they Mustang manifolds/studs or something else? 2. When taking the engine out, the flat shields that go between the engine mount and block fell out along with two washers that look like they were spacers. It looks like the washers were between the shield and block. Are these washers supposed to be there? If so, which side of the shield are they supposed to go on? 3. I remember a while back that a 6-bladed fan was one of the recommendations to improve cooling. Is this still available somewhere? Since I can't get the fan off without removing the radiator, now is the time. Other than blocking off the horn holes are there any other things I should do while it's out? 4. A while ago the thermostat housing cracked. My fault due to not having the thermostat lined up all the way. At the time I needed a quick replacement so I used a cast iron part from a parts store. I'd like to get an aluminum one back on there. Is this a Mustang part or something unique? 5.The clamps on the steering rack boots are rusted through. Any source for replacements? Thanks, Jeff Feit Kennett Square, PA B9471573 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 15:23:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456FA40511 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 15:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4CE40437 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 15:22:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from JeffE6410ATG ([74.103.169.51]) by p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id hZJG1l00H16sh7N01ZJHkG; Tue, 28 May 2013 14:18:18 -0700 From: "Jeff Feit" To: References: <003101ce5bc7$f5314730$df93d590$@feitmail.com> <1650150912.495905.1369769250480.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 17:18:38 -0400 Thread-Index: AQIm7PxMq0+XBuJsaGKBzOJ9WbZXlZhp6hTg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] A few random questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the quick responses! A bit more info, and response to some of your questions. The history of this car is a little better known than it sounded from my first post. The car was originally bought for my father-in-law in July of 1970, from the original owner with complete records including the original sales invoice. He drove it until 1973 when my wife was born; at that point the car went into storage and Ibm not really sure how much it was driven. In 1984 he pulled it out of storage with the intention to get it up and running and sell, in order to fund the airplane he was building in his garage. When his father (my wifebs grandfather, also an antique car collector) found out he was going to sell it, he offered to buy it. It stayed with them and went to a few car shows, and sometime in the early 90bs it broke down and was towed home and sat there. My wifebs grandfather died around 1995. In 1997, my wife (fiancC)e at the time) and I decided to see if we could get it going again. I rebuilt the carb, replaced all the ignition parts, replaced all the rubber brake lines, and rebuilt the calipers and brake cylinders and we were off and running. We were then given the car as a wedding gift in 1998. We moved to Michigan in 1998 and lived there until 2010, and the car was driven regularly during that time. In the last few years after moving back to PA the leaks had gotten progressively worse to the point that it wasnbt really drivable so I bit the bullet and started on this project. My father-in-law is recently retired and lives nearby, so he is familiar with the car and has a (foggy) memory of much of its historybso there isnbt any question that it is the original engine and trans, etc. The manifolds are definitely 7/16-14, we already cleaned up all the holes. The reason I was questioning the bolts is that the hole wasnbt through, which would make it possible to bottom the bolt before the pipe was tight. I was just going to go with whatever was originally there. Sounds like Ronbs info says it was a bolt. Mine has a donut gasket. As we have driven it quite a bit, I know that it does have cooling problems but only when driven slowly/idled in hot weather. Usually itbs hot but OK as long as itbs running, but boils over after it is stopped. The radiator looks amazingly clean. The antifreeze that has been in it since 1997 came out looking bright green, and when I flushed it with a hose it came out relatively clear. I think it must have been redone at some point as the paint is in very good shape. I think the gas tanks have been done too. Very likely while my wifebs grandfather was taking care of it. I could use wire ties as a backup for the steering rack, and there are also universal clamps out there. I was just wondering if the brightb ones were available. Unlike a power rack, the boots actually hold the oil in (not just keep dust out) so itbs more of a mission critical item. The service manual actually has a detailed section about servicing the rack, so I will probably check the clearances and put new oil it. Jeff _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 19:22:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9BE4056E for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 19:22:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9625C4043C for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 19:21:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 17so2671301iea.31 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 18:17:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ZPeuaYSTerQRPrbQBpUjazf5PyPcpuA971SnKcFvmrM=; b=gjxPvAbugQ0ogTJwabpppQa7ntDANXP5e1YuGUJKzSDg2198kgWCY2ibog0bn7j3zW p3NV3Vw1llEDsx+2ea7KEMrjVphh/L9YilkI/4Rgh94Uy/T+lVIPIZYzLYagSUL/73xn r09OxDissZPpohuEne7Cubo5KhR8S8xRgnOI2JSvxa7OT2ckrPe2+VBIPTn+a9zCBjs6 k6AxT0NDoofIy0aproBEXvTfWZGuVa1nh6a43dmHrAqMTPQsba0oVDAJbeCvCyro/9cZ gSKGLwco8Ox1WRIkP2Et00M1Jnf4nXHZEkOn4NAGyATR0PG6jzOsKvqs1KR2FOu5YQko x4ew== Tue, 28 May 2013 18:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.91.135 with HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2013 18:17:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <003101ce5bc7$f5314730$df93d590$@feitmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 11:17:38 +1000 From: michael king To: Jeff Feit Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] A few random questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jeff, Are you sure your Tiger s a MKIA? The VIN you give is a B947 which would be a I.. the IA's are the 3820 cars. On 29 May 2013 03:22, Jeff Feit wrote: > Hello all, > > I've been on and off the Tiger list since 1998. To keep a very long story > short, our car is a MK1A, B9471573. It has been in my wife's family since > 1970 (as the second owners) and in our care since 1998. > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 19:47:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55AF40E11 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 19:47:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F4D40451 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 19:47:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hblS1l0051swQuc55djXQm; Wed, 29 May 2013 01:43:31 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hdjX1l00H0fu9Ni3bdjXxo; Wed, 29 May 2013 01:43:31 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "Karl Adey" , References: Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 21:43:22 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1369791811; bh=UMxuBduHSnpsDye45jbl3y2/S/ZtCVuH1pPjT4G1e/8=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ps0hPkYjKceI1p5MsNvhdWCfg5Xd0CklsoRwbQt8zgQG+kpia+kXFGaAEzqUvBKLE j1yKD+/eZi56hdlpxV8MsqaYKUiDOR0wurZ3ud3YYqDks2aZ+rmOqWqIM2ZE4POPJY RyhNWG9NU8EkELMTd0jlxmqZ7rhZvxSAY3oJVl11VF3KLZCyU3ijmq8CbODZX8GWFb I2CEDpu7ci5DbQ5rteMZgEYc2kf+WJ4amCDvrdKdhEzOQXkuKbdNi4CObaes9h3zMs nD0kTpDOTDUgKS2NsfaGX4xYilRyAzKhfade180Wmo+KPl8ZPtnwm6GjqRTFOBr4S7 1DbVB+4VgSfwQ== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Looking for a few parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For defroster hoses, I visited a local auto parts store and come out with a couple generic replacement "heat riser" tubes. These are accordion pleated aluminum tubes normally used to feed hot air to the engine air intake. The had a variety of sizes, one of which was a close enough diameter match to work. I bent them to the required shape, and painted them flat black. Then ended up looking very much like the originals. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 08:14:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37984273A for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 08:14:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm49.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm49.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.87.85]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD734042C for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 08:09:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.56] by nm49.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2013 14:05:38 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.234] by tm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2013 14:05:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1042.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2013 14:05:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 40303 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2013 14:05:38 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369922738; bh=C4LkGYJkBlCLVUrLExZvOz9g70PTIfcFZMLTiGFLnZQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=v82d+6Qj+4SLrLFihy+7L0WWTfSmDlaCnP3UeN+vGJJVVYNhujuP1gXlRP/7H2d4t9fIdWe1HS1qbl0mw52HxcLpgVelFEhSFPTWIxEPq/riotYAi8FC+0QuocN9ZCr+0H2BMQeXN9QB3SBaPsp2KCe+oSf5sbeqQpbJF7Ug7ts= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2p/4xv+IfEcFmJ+7dzbafGZ2TkuKv1g/Dv4cN5CTzWvowcGwjvtfRa6SPJmjusefkbxJyRV/V/XUHd4xyEeFMTbQnRlq0DLvu+iLuWQfmJ3AVr4I0+rmbssiAqjG0luO2bOVgQfAJS1TiH3u7azfnlzILmVAIomKrQO3zVIDRyI=; Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 07:05:37 PDT DQoNCg0KDQoNCkFsbA0KwqANCkZpcnN0IHN0YXJ0IHVwIG9mIG1vdG9yIGxhc3QgU2F0dXJkYXksIGhhZCBzb21lIHdpcmluZyBpc3N1ZXMgLSB3aXRoIGVsZWN0cm9uaWMgUGV0cm9uaXggZGlzdHJpYnV0b3IgYW5kIG5vIEJSIC0gZ290IHBhc3QgdGhhdCwgdGhlbiBpc3N1ZXMgd2l0aCByZWJ1aWx0IGNhcmIgYW5kIHJlYnVpbHQgZ2VuZXJhdG9yIGJ1dCBmaXJlZCByaWdodCB1cCAtIHNvdW5kIGlzIEFXRVNPTUUuDQrCoA0KTXkgcXVlc3Rpb25zIGFuZCBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbiB0byBwYXNzIG9uIGlzIHRoaXMBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 07:05:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Amp guage needed - relay question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net All First start up of motor last Saturday, had some wiring issues - with electronic Petronix distributor and no BR - got past that, then issues with rebuilt carb and rebuilt generator but fired right up - sound is AWESOME. My questions and information to pass on is this: New wiring harness from SS, found from dash layout diagram that if it said 'if fitted' there are NO wires for these in the new harness - this was VERY disappointing. No provision for AMP gauge, clock, cigar lighter and headlight harness (2) are a separate purchase. So now to fit the optional 'if fitted' items, wiring will have to be outside the nice pretty neat harness. I guess I am used to all wires being included for optional equipment, whether you use them or not, the wires were always there, you just had to buy the optional equipment and hook them up. I also have to run a separate wire for the electric choke due to headers - probably should have gone to a manual choke for the Autolite 4100. Anyway, the wiring harness requires different bulbs - (# 73) for the 3 warning lights which Rick is graciously sending me with the new Alum water pump. FYI, Scott Drake carries a replacement timing cover (alum) if someone is in need with NO provision for oil spout - use the one on valve cover if you have those type covers. In retrospect, I should have replaced them during engine build but they did not look that pitted but guess they were due to leaks, multiple, when filled up radiator. Many steps forward and many backwards - just solve issues as they come up - all start ups, finds something that should have been done, I guess. Very exciting Saturday but also very disappointing as well. Anyway the rebuilt distributor for my 73 MGB from Jeff at Advanced installed plus re-timed, cleared up my idling issues with this car and have been driving it daily all week - 60's in the AM and 80's during day with no rain, just love spring time in the south - of course after the pine tree pollen month is over. I had bought a original 'Rootes' cigar lighter back in the 80's but my dash had a old VDO volt gauge in the clock hole. I had a clock from years back, so will install. I would like to buy if someone has available the " +30 to -30 AMPS Made in England Lucas Gauge, if I understand this to be the correct 66 MK 1A gauge to go in the far left hole in the dash. Sincerely, Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 08:28:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3256742746 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 08:28:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F95A40398 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 08:24:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail129-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.238) by CO1EHSOBE002.bigfish.com (10.243.66.65) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:20:04 +0000 Received: from mail129-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail129-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3243B7400DE; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:20:04 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail129-co1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail129-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail129-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1369923602758179_21840; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS003.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.245]) by mail129-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66087C0043; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CO1EHSMHS003.bigfish.com (10.243.66.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:20:01 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Thu, 30 May 2013 09:20:25 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.181]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 30 May 2013 09:19:59 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Amp guage needed - relay question Thread-Index: AQHOXT90ZOTfNK0b00ey4hGEZDi0KpkdxTmQ Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 14:19:59 +0000 References: <1369922737.40290.YahooMailClassic@web164706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amp guage needed - relay question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Joel, I can't speak to all the issues, but here's the thing with the ammeter: Because it has to go in series with the main power wiring to the battery, if the ammeter is not installed you have to have the two ammeter hookup terminals connected together. If these connections come loose or get corroded, then you get a hot spot under the dash that can easily become a fire hazard and at best it's a risk to all the other wiring in that part of the loom because the heat can soften the insulation. On the other hand, having the ammeter wiring built as part of the harness would avoid the situation where many folks have their ammeter improperly wired (such as between the generator/alternator and the rest of the harness). Theo ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 09:00:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755DC42758 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 09:00:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751E240511 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 09:00:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4UEqbCq019081; Thu, 30 May 2013 07:56:02 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0213.5192ebd3.1eee5e; Thu, 30 May 2013 07:55:59 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.149.98]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:55:57 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 10:55:53 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5dP3LCVcdQOujsRgGNem0RoRN5kQAAlyog engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-30_04:2013-05-30,2013-05-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1305300109 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amp guage needed - relay question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel Sounds like you are making some great progress, well done. Amp gage was an option with separate 2 HD wires plus the black daisy chain ground Clock was an option - 1 short wire to light switch plus connect black daisy chain Cigar lighter was an option - 1 wire to fuse - ground wire Headlights are a separate plug in harness None of these are hard to install and you have to realize that was the way it was done in the 60's. Original warning light bulbs can be hard to find so the change makes them easier to replace. Timing cover - the Tiger engine never used the oil spout on the timing cover - that hole was plugged until a new timing cover was introduced which eliminated that feature. The new timing covers on the market today require a cast iron water pump as far as I know. Yes, the amp gage goes in the far left position Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:06 AM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Amp guage needed - relay question All First start up of motor last Saturday, had some wiring issues - with electronic Petronix distributor and no BR - got past that, then issues with rebuilt carb and rebuilt generator but fired right up - sound is AWESOME. My questions and information to pass on is this: New wiring harness from SS, found from dash layout diagram that if it said 'if fitted' there are NO wires for these in the new harness - this was VERY disappointing. No provision for AMP gauge, clock, cigar lighter and headlight harness (2) are a separate purchase. So now to fit the optional 'if fitted' items, wiring will have to be outside the nice pretty neat harness. I guess I am used to all wires being included for optional equipment, whether you use them or not, the wires were always there, you just had to buy the optional equipment and hook them up. I also have to run a separate wire for the electric choke due to headers - probably should have gone to a manual choke for the Autolite 4100. Anyway, the wiring harness requires different bulbs - (# 73) for the 3 warning lights which Rick is graciously sending me with the new Alum water pump. FYI, Scott Drake carries a replacement timing cover (alum) if someone is in need with NO provision for oil spout - use the one on valve cover if you have those type covers. In retrospect, I should have replaced them during engine build but they did not look that pitted but guess they were due to leaks, multiple, when filled up radiator. Many steps forward and many backwards - just solve issues as they come up - all start ups, finds something that should have been done, I guess. Very exciting Saturday but also very disappointing as well. Anyway the rebuilt distributor for my 73 MGB from Jeff at Advanced installed plus re-timed, cleared up my idling issues with this car and have been driving it daily all week - 60's in the AM and 80's during day with no rain, just love spring time in the south - of course after the pine tree pollen month is over. I had bought a original 'Rootes' cigar lighter back in the 80's but my dash had a old VDO volt gauge in the clock hole. I had a clock from years back, so will install. I would like to buy if someone has available the " +30 to -30 AMPS Made in England Lucas Gauge, if I understand this to be the correct 66 MK 1A gauge to go in the far left hole in the dash. Sincerely, Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6369 - Release Date: 05/30/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 12:12:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC80427CA for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 12:12:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og112.obsmtp.com (exprod5og112.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E152C4274E for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 12:11:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cinmlip11.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.4.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob112.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUaeVcAtBwUiVVCqCQ/UQ1UsIOQZdJGcT@postini.com; Thu, 30 May 2013 11:07:46 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO cinmlef09.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.213.56]) by cinmlip11.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 30 May 2013 14:07:43 -0400 Received: from alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.18.12]) by cinmlef09.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 30 May 2013 14:07:42 -0400 Received: from cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.50]) by alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 30 May 2013 14:07:41 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA09.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.38) by cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.136.1; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:07:37 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.3.82]) by CINMBCNA09.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.38]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:07:37 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Amp guage needed - relay question Thread-Index: AQHOXT+D8I4CNdzfhEyYcyckK2+3GpkeFB+A///vU3A= Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 18:07:36 +0000 References: <1369922737.40290.YahooMailClassic@web164706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.192] FILETIME=[93C974A0:01CE5D60] Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amp guage needed - relay question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ron, Scott Drake is now re-popping the C4OE-6059-A (Ford Service Part # C4AZ-6019-A) timing cover for 5-bolt V8s. Claim to be concours correct. http://www.drakeautomotivegroup.com/Store/Product/C4AZ-6019-A.aspx?wid=141 Also, have been using this high-flow water pump on the 331 stroker, easy to modify to Tiger pulley specs if you have a hand press and half the price of the Edelbrock unit: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/bra-1680 Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:56 AM To: 'Joel Martin'; 'Tiger List Serve' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amp guage needed - relay question Joel Sounds like you are making some great progress, well done. Timing cover - the Tiger engine never used the oil spout on the timing cover - that hole was plugged until a new timing cover was introduced which eliminated that feature. The new timing covers on the market today require a cast iron water pump as far as I know. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 13:36:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D334542797 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:36:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txofep01.suddenlink.net (txofep01.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B3B42704 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:35:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Roscrea ([74.196.108.150]) by txofep01.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.01.08 201-2343-100-153-20121108) with ESMTP id <20130530193143.BNQC30569.txofep01.suddenlink.net@Roscrea> for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:31:43 -0500 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "Tiger Autox" Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 14:31:50 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5dbFS8jVuzKUOORh2KJ5UD6SgswQ== Content-Language: en-us cv=c/DLzSAT69tkIBo50xSE+TqiyXKeVw/DCN8JHeK6KKA= c=1 sm=0 a=ikG80WVMq6MA:10 a=xzW3HwPJiLYA:10 a=VPHkNMUpP2kA:10 a=n8_deFnszMDJJrtQkI4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=i3JOyMKnf9w90nGv:21 a=m2SHLXaKzssC0mjT:21 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=jbJZOgyb6KE25IjgH8EA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: [Tigers] A visit by Scott Drake and family Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Scott Drake and family came to visit our little town of Tyler, Texas, two weeks ends ago to see the progress on the 1964 = project car, affectionately called the Birthday Car. He chose our Mustangs of East Texas (MOET) Club to do the 50th anniversary Mustang that will be shown around the country at the different Mustang clubs and will be shown at SEMA this year. It will then be sold at Barrett Jackson, with all proceeds to be donated to the Down Syndrome Foundation. When I talked with Mr. Drake, I suggested he make some parts for the Tiger. The items I suggested were an original air cleaner, and a 15-tooth speedometer gear. He was very interested! What he asked about the air cleaner was how much did I think people would be willing to pay. The tooling is very expensive, and thus how many could he count on selling would be the problem. He was musing about costs of production. He thought it would be somewhere around $300 to $400, mostly because of the low production. Any thoughts out there? I also suggested he build motor mounts - the ones that have (for a lack of a better explanation) a mechanical connection inside the rubber so they cant come apart when the rubber fails. I told him they would also work on Mustangs (and other Ford engines of the time). Im not sure just what makes the Tiger mounts unique only to Tigers. They all came from Ford. At least he could sell them to other people. As for the speedo gear, I showed him a gear still in the NPD package, and he knew right away who made the gear (not NPD), but thought that that company might be willing to make the part. And I dont remember the person or company, but I could find out if I sent an email to Mr. Drake. Whats really cool is, after I showed him and his wife my Tiger, she says, I have a Tiger!! So, I dont know if anyone was aware that they owned a Tiger - an early one (all round corners). She didnt know what the serial number was. I suggested they join one or more of the Tiger Clubs, but I think their plate is pretty full. If anyone is interested, you can look at Mustangs of East Texas and see the project; and, if you look at Gallery (and scroll down), you can see pictures of the Scott Drake visit. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC insp. # 58 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 13:45:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF6542792 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37E44274E for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:44:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iJC01l0021wfjNsA3KghNJ; Thu, 30 May 2013 19:40:41 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iKgh1l00V2yr1eL8jKghSh; Thu, 30 May 2013 19:40:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 19:40:41 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: "Mark Rense (GE, Appl & Light)" s=q20121106; t=1369942841; bh=TIR8PP5y8pHknjyHj17CwWRJpiUWM8xOeu3WkrgjyZQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=qLdUM+ivigm4838uhtnUTwtszA6pw5B6lazGvfIjDABg5Y+B3LhYw5ctiNBgiFJx0 UyUPsZ4m7LyR61oui/BZhvRLjJ1KecnmZGdcqtNchJyA7BeD6HsgN9W1O4pcWYnwTE PRgdWB/DNZLtx3Ppudd5bajjOup51iPPNaXM5Y1fv1Vbzh0gRFfFgsEy60QMONGhP9 /VRwHpjRD2vk3Lzo7bGC4L1+XxOEJYDEZMlVfIrN+3elOqki2aSfTjFC+uGTvJZx2V a+AxmufcBfCXUhoJDXLV2/y06IZc2Gm7U5hlpEkptEBswRqkG5QZT25S4kTixUTTXw RSVKfwKmNOuOQ== Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amp guage needed - relay question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mark, I am just about to put the water pump on as part of finishing the 347. Somehow I missed out on the info about this better water pump. I must be still in that ten percent never get the word I guess! This sounds like a great product. How well does it work for you on the 331? I have been running the reduced Fairmont pulley on the old 260. Should I go back to the stock pulley with this FlowKooler pump? BTW, I also will be using a new Griffin aluminum radiator. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rense (GE, Appl & Light)" To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: "LIST TIGER" Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:07:36 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amp guage needed - relay question Ron, Scott Drake is now re-popping the C4OE-6059-A (Ford Service Part # C4AZ-6019-A) timing cover for 5-bolt V8s. Claim to be concours correct. http://www.drakeautomotivegroup.com/Store/Product/C4AZ-6019-A.aspx?wid=141 Also, have been using this high-flow water pump on the 331 stroker, easy to modify to Tiger pulley specs if you have a hand press and half the price of the Edelbrock unit: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/bra-1680 Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:56 AM To: 'Joel Martin'; 'Tiger List Serve' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amp guage needed - relay question Joel Sounds like you are making some great progress, well done. Timing cover - the Tiger engine never used the oil spout on the timing cover - that hole was plugged until a new timing cover was introduced which eliminated that feature. The new timing covers on the market today require a cast iron water pump as far as I know. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 14:27:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9BC42705 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:27:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og108.obsmtp.com (exprod5og108.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A49E403B1 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:27:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cinmlip10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.4.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob108.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUae1ReBcVVp709HsSd9fWEwstQs+or/j@postini.com; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:23:34 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO alpmlef01.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.18.10]) by cinmlip10.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 30 May 2013 16:23:32 -0400 Received: from cinmlef16.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.213.85]) by alpmlef01.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 30 May 2013 16:23:32 -0400 Received: from cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.50]) by cinmlef16.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 30 May 2013 16:23:31 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA11.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.40) by cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.136.1; Thu, 30 May 2013 16:23:27 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.3.82]) by CINMBCNA11.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.40]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 30 May 2013 16:23:27 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: "genepadgett@comcast.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Water Pumps and Timing Covers Thread-Index: Ac5dc4PY3OUGnDBLQKmGJKKV0se1tA== Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 20:23:27 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.192] FILETIME=[8D78F5E0:01CE5D73] Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Pumps and Timing Covers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Gene, I looked at a couple higher flow aluminum pumps, the FlowKooler one addresses the need for higher flow at low RPM without cavitation at higher RPM. Since I am naturally a cynic, as most engineers are, when it comes to performance claims and other snake oils, I read their tech page (they presented a reasonably argument for their cause) and read several on-line forum reviews which trended positive. http://www.flowkoolerwaterpumps.com/tech_support.html The pump comes with a thick gasket, you cannot use a generic one as the impeller will contact the cover. So far this pump seems to be adequate, although I have not done a proper DoE (Design of Experiments) by trying the $26 Cardone pump from Rock Auto, so I cannot say if the FlowKooler is superior. The car seems to idle in 80+ heat without issue but Ibm still sorting out some heat soak problems. Webll see as summer progresses. I donbt have any experience with the Fairmont pulley. Bugz From: genepadgett@comcast.net [mailto:genepadgett@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 3:41 PM To: Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) Cc: LIST TIGER; rfraser@bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amp guage needed - relay question Mark, I am just about to put the water pump on as part of finishing the 347. Somehow I missed out on the info about this better water pump. I must be still in that ten percent never get the word I guess! This sounds like a great product. How well does it work for you on the 331? I have been running the reduced Fairmont pulley on the old 260. Should I go back to the stock pulley with this FlowKooler pump? BTW, I also will be using a new Griffin aluminum radiator. Gene ________________________________ Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:07:36 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amp guage needed - relay question Ron, Scott Drake is now re-popping the C4OE-6059-A (Ford Service Part # C4AZ-6019-A) timing cover for 5-bolt V8s. Claim to be concours correct. http://www.drakeautomotivegroup.com/Store/Product/C4AZ-6019-A.aspx?wid=141 Also, have been using this high-flow water pump on the 331 stroker, easy to modify to Tiger pulley specs if you have a hand press and half the price of the Edelbrock unit: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/bra-1680 Bugz -----Original Message----- Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:56 AM To: 'Joel Martin'; 'Tiger List Serve' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amp guage needed - relay question Joel Sounds like you are making some great progress, well done. Timing cover - the Tiger engine never used the oil spout on the timing cover - that hole was plugged until a new timing cover was introduced which eliminated that feature. The new timing covers on the market today require a cast iron water pump as far as I know. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 15:11:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B59240569 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 15:11:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85016403D7 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 15:11:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4UL5sE4005844; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:07:07 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b378) id sj1-dm103.5192ebfe.1f3d74; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:06:51 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Rense, Mark \(GE, Appl & Light\)'" Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 17:06:45 -0400 Thread-Index: AQHOXT+D8I4CNdzfhEyYcyckK2+3GpkeFB+A///vU3CAADLRIA== engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-30_06:2013-05-30,2013-05-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1305300195 Cc: 'LIST TIGER' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amp guage needed - relay question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mark Excellent find, that is the type timing cover for the aluminum water pump with the oil cap tube area deleted. It's nice to have options like this available. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) [mailto:mark.rense@ge.com] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 2:08 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: RE: [Tigers] Amp guage needed - relay question Ron, Scott Drake is now re-popping the C4OE-6059-A (Ford Service Part # C4AZ-6019-A) timing cover for 5-bolt V8s. Claim to be concours correct. http://www.drakeautomotivegroup.com/Store/Product/C4AZ-6019-A.aspx?wid=141 Also, have been using this high-flow water pump on the 331 stroker, easy to modify to Tiger pulley specs if you have a hand press and half the price of the Edelbrock unit: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/bra-1680 Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:56 AM To: 'Joel Martin'; 'Tiger List Serve' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amp guage needed - relay question Joel Sounds like you are making some great progress, well done. Timing cover - the Tiger engine never used the oil spout on the timing cover - that hole was plugged until a new timing cover was introduced which eliminated that feature. The new timing covers on the market today require a cast iron water pump as far as I know. Ron Fraser ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6369 - Release Date: 05/30/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 15:29:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5C24270E for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 15:29:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3299F403FE for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 15:29:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 67CF8700000B5; Thu, 30 May 2013 17:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mla005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.83]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3372CE00008C; Thu, 30 May 2013 17:25:02 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 17:25:01 -0400 (EDT) To: JCMC2006@suddenlink.net, TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369949102; bh=98IUbG+/Dl6M9DFjsCScyB3DrzhBTUQEQhcvdL1pyPo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DQnMcLvOCMh8nGODByxMowYt7uN+l0hyZh6KLhFrS1XjeMcUhDssjwMn55Tf1V5S9 pgTNiv1QGiGWVvZI0PqPiub8WxMwGuHosFfRhYUVD8NP8JJG+iNt3wiX3aEodODjrI PlZm1w1BcSg+UcxdqZAcYBJKtF4AJNoxiueABLnA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290951a7c3ae58aa Subject: Re: [Tigers] A visit by Scott Drake and family Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jerry, I thought I recently saw a repo air cleaner on EBay that is supposed to be exact reproduction. So maybe it is already available. Mark L In a message dated 5/30/2013 3:32:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JCMC2006@suddenlink.net writes: Scott Drake and family came to visit our little town of Tyler, Texas, two weeks ends ago to see the progress on the 1964 = project car, affectionately called the Birthday Car. He chose our Mustangs of East Texas (MOET) Club to do the 50th anniversary Mustang that will be shown around the country at the different Mustang clubs and will be shown at SEMA this year. It will then be sold at Barrett Jackson, with all proceeds to be donated to the Down Syndrome Foundation. When I talked with Mr. Drake, I suggested he make some parts for the Tiger. The items I suggested were an original air cleaner, and a 15-tooth speedometer gear. He was very interested! What he asked about the air cleaner was how much did I think people would be willing to pay. The tooling is very expensive, and thus how many could he count on selling would be the problem. He was musing about costs of production. He thought it would be somewhere around $300 to $400, mostly because of the low production. Any thoughts out there? I also suggested he build motor mounts - the ones that have (for a lack of a better explanation) a mechanical connection inside the rubber so they cant come apart when the rubber fails. I told him they would also work on Mustangs (and other Ford engines of the time). Im not sure just what makes the Tiger mounts unique only to Tigers. They all came from Ford. At least he could sell them to other people. As for the speedo gear, I showed him a gear still in the NPD package, and he knew right away who made the gear (not NPD), but thought that that company might be willing to make the part. And I dont remember the person or company, but I could find out if I sent an email to Mr. Drake. Whats really cool is, after I showed him and his wife my Tiger, she says, I have a Tiger!! So, I dont know if anyone was aware that they owned a Tiger - an early one (all round corners). She didnt know what the serial number was. I suggested they join one or more of the Tiger Clubs, but I think their plate is pretty full. If anyone is interested, you can look at Mustangs of East Texas and see the project; and, if you look at Gallery (and scroll down), you can see pictures of the Scott Drake visit. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC insp. # 58 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 22:35:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4D942707 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 22:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f177.google.com (mail-pd0-f177.google.com [209.85.192.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6624054C for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 22:35:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f177.google.com with SMTP id u11so1518406pdi.8 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 21:31:37 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=awX2C5zD1iUqzP03aVnY6xT6AoTuFjDU+Qpj613GgM0=; b=jC4Ph2Tueaeni7picCA1CuO308AAjvQVJIhIM5YzHS1KwljeP+7dA0MlJgr2Yawago zXwmI432xRVYN+NqEZ+qQTYJXWAQ0FETTmhlCX0FZ32vhcsd733ixZLGpT07y6HlQypU 20Qbw8kQiGMZhuHmtewylDoDBlkPiyfdnTj6zrZihAgSQ7u4upF7F2Ot+jYpyD/qql97 1AdsRuA4/mnb7KwOS619/6UBrRIA7Csgs5uDRAb52DhI84Eb81EevvDDmXABJrvxKXBR yphUNU1SAEGPhiq3F6QVYxOaPua40t3sURxREyaqi2jDV7sbjRIT9i5g8IeddFtvxSPn wlHg== ym3mr11721368pab.106.1369974697813; Thu, 30 May 2013 21:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id yj2sm44812592pbb.40.2013.05.30.21.31.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 30 May 2013 21:31:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 21:31:33 -0700 To: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On my Tiger, I'm having a starting problem. The new ignition switch did not fix it. Here are the symptoms: I turn the key one click, the car gets power, the red charging light goes on. I turn one more to power the starter, I get a click and the power shuts down. I turn off the key, turn it one click again, but this time no power. The charging light does not go on. When this first happened, the electrical, including the red charging light, would work after a few moments. Now it does not go back on until I give 12V straight to the starter switch. That is, I hooked up jumper cables to the + on the battery, and put it directly to the post on the starter solenoid that comes from the ignition switch. The starter cranks immediately. Then the electrical system is working right again. Here are some more details: Measuring voltage, I have very little drop between the battery post, to the fuse box, through the ignition switch and to the stater solenoid. 12.48 at the battery, 12.40 at the starter solenoid switch wire. But, after I try to start the car and the system shuts down, it is about 11.5 all around (except the battery). The odd thing is that this doesn't happen until I turn the ignition switch to the starter position. I can turn it from off, to run, or to accessory over and over and all is fine. It's only when I go to the starter position that it clicks and shuts down. Is there something other than the starter solenoid that gets power at that time and might be bad? I just looked at the wiring diagram. The only other thing that comes into play seems to be the ignition resistor. Could it fail in a way that causes this? If so, is this a common part I can get at a local auto parts shop? Is there some way to test it? Thanks, _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 22:51:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919EB42710 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 22:51:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f175.google.com (mail-pd0-f175.google.com [209.85.192.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3844D40430 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 22:50:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 6so1553802pdd.20 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 21:46:39 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=iyqd93TAHhYzs+sBT1rEdVsBJvFXdiVWpHrtGgtKdcY=; b=yymq5cYZTxsJ3uirHQVg3mes5HQsy2koY5+reEw+xZa5HAAU+hqfYGb5ad+EEEkJCO K/kjDoNyaI149gAkIZ4i6ccJRKVne7Z5CDYWdEkRK2/QuW0VVvgR7njRZyIiZcGZOnkL tRKd9/1EFZqkolkIgxvrGd1SgZVmN7okhsvNVdDfxCEwTuhS/IfonBwDQWo1hd3n/nnM BCBXXdt3jFFb6BvSLw67UncCckZ0BNdiZAcphy0OCCzWZBOwc0jbQxGsX+ogX2VnZGom 3OMwTiK8W6tPeHZCk3X6RRO6+a0owkvh0w8r6w01dojasQZ5alsE9XnkozHUGLLA1TY+ iFxw== xl17mr11905647pac.101.1369975599724; Thu, 30 May 2013 21:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ag4sm44905598pbc.20.2013.05.30.21.46.38 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 30 May 2013 21:46:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 21:46:37 -0700 References: To: Jay Laifman Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, I've figured out that to test the ballast resistor, you jump it. I will try that tomorrow. Jay On May 30, 2013, at 9:31 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > On my Tiger, I'm having a starting problem. The new ignition switch did not fix it. > > Here are the symptoms: I turn the key one click, the car gets power, the red charging light goes on. I turn one more to power the starter, I get a click and the power shuts down. I turn off the key, turn it one click again, but this time no power. The charging light does not go on. > > When this first happened, the electrical, including the red charging light, would work after a few moments. Now it does not go back on until I give 12V straight to the starter switch. > > That is, I hooked up jumper cables to the + on the battery, and put it directly to the post on the starter solenoid that comes from the ignition switch. The starter cranks immediately. Then the electrical system is working right again. > > Here are some more details: Measuring voltage, I have very little drop between the battery post, to the fuse box, through the ignition switch and to the stater solenoid. 12.48 at the battery, 12.40 at the starter solenoid switch wire. > > But, after I try to start the car and the system shuts down, it is about 11.5 all around (except the battery). > > The odd thing is that this doesn't happen until I turn the ignition switch to the starter position. I can turn it from off, to run, or to accessory over and over and all is fine. It's only when I go to the starter position that it clicks and shuts down. Is there something other than the starter solenoid that gets power at that time and might be bad? > > I just looked at the wiring diagram. The only other thing that comes into play seems to be the ignition resistor. Could it fail in a way that causes this? If so, is this a common part I can get at a local auto parts shop? Is there some way to test it? > > Thanks, > Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 23:20:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2C042717 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 23:20:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D306D40447 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 23:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNN00HXFD8L4O70@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Fri, 31 May 2013 00:14:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 22:14:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, I recommend this only because I had a similar issue with a different make car. If I jumper-ed the solenoid at the starter (Chevy engine in this case) it cranked fine. I measured the voltage from the ignition switch to the solenoid (disconnected) and it was fine. But connect the wire and I got the click, click click. Frustrated (after try too many things - including cleaning the switch like you did) I finally just ran a jumper wire bypassing the harness wire from the switch to the solenoid. My problem went away and never returned. You can at least try the jumper wire throughout the circuit to find your problem. 10 feet of wire and shielded alligator clips on the ends should do it. While I'm sure you would like to retain the stock look of a factory harness that will be secondary to getting the car to start (regularly). Lastly, regarding the ballast resistor; the coil power flows through it under normal driving. At the point of starting (solenoid engaged) the resistor is bypassed and the coil gets a full 12 volts. At the solenoid there are two large lugs. One is power from the battery. The other passed the power through to the starter when the solenoid is engaged. There are also two small lugs at the solenoid. One provides power (from the ignition switch) to pull the plunger to connect the 12v power between the two large lugs. The second, smaller, lug "taps" off the starter side of the solenoid to momentarily send the 12v to the coil. As soon as the start position on the key is released the power to the starter disconnects as well as the momentary 12v that went to the coil. At that point the coil power is coming through the resistor. Tom > On my Tiger, I'm having a starting problem. The new ignition switch did > not > fix it. > > Here are the symptoms: I turn the key one click, the car gets power, the > red > charging light goes on. I turn one more to power the starter, I get a > click > and the power shuts down. I turn off the key, turn it one click again, > but > this time no power. The charging light does not go on. > > When this first happened, the electrical, including the red charging > light, > would work after a few moments. Now it does not go back on until I give > 12V > straight to the starter switch. > > That is, I hooked up jumper cables to the + on the battery, and put it > directly to the post on the starter solenoid that comes from the ignition > switch. The starter cranks immediately. Then the electrical system is > working right again. > > Here are some more details: Measuring voltage, I have very little drop > between > the battery post, to the fuse box, through the ignition switch and to the > stater solenoid. 12.48 at the battery, 12.40 at the starter solenoid > switch > wire. > > But, after I try to start the car and the system shuts down, it is about > 11.5 > all around (except the battery). > > The odd thing is that this doesn't happen until I turn the ignition switch > to > the starter position. I can turn it from off, to run, or to accessory > over > and over and all is fine. It's only when I go to the starter position > that it > clicks and shuts down. Is there something other than the starter solenoid > that gets power at that time and might be bad? > > I just looked at the wiring diagram. The only other thing that comes into > play seems to be the ignition resistor. Could it fail in a way that > causes > this? If so, is this a common part I can get at a local auto parts shop? > Is > there some way to test it? > > Thanks, _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 00:07:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EBA42576 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 00:07:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm40-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm40-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D4940359 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 00:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 05:58:48 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.62] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 05:58:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 05:58:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369979927; bh=LOb/DjrKHQ039Idb71A2k7Cln6BSKIc8iA4tapwdWgs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=40MCzc0Z/kgEbokVcnW6FE+fkqPfe2Fl/8QVaFbnrwpDKFAVd4jq5hN9hGRghYkKS/2EUq0rzfhPGOOMnStX3IVbDKEppvn+Dg4tQGZkkqzUZbl68mJjShFpUmcEMecGKuSuPc8DCnCX9myxmt9FmgnaGY3Uv/+eWzCI9Qivd1I= NFKMS8Ll4gtebqTf.wsSn0rZjWTT4_01H73.p3H1lxEEw0gsD10mAaGYN7yW AoaDVv0EJlUju7d9XsifzYo953aCTsW6oiCpZ2havvEzUFWnOLmbQHFyr3NR eiUsd4TTPRYYhYedpN_rkNFEwV397OWzFRqmf6QFu2ZiKt0EnSqgcnIdKAzD 5zL6iMz4BmDBhnYI1a0GbJ4Vff2DlQMKAq8nhH868J02G7iQuWfH1GmAL2Gp HoA9wbdEZzyQig233X_7mnPGWtMMo2GIX2ajZ31uZssVCfx0.piPU7VrYSGR 8xDPZ3_mHD_V795k1v9PP1Z8J5ErozoOHDpydVX8oRrswNfHshUOQ_OCG.u3 owSmD9rmOUT_Icp2xHwNBT3RZ4VQplZjWGsfER_cIa70A_XAILP64jiFCrlM 1Rfd1_drc65teX3DS5FgFCbe8_uCbRxH1fxv7m.XtoxF.UEwPuLvr5PWuq8a RidaaaVzIFOdnHkpP59baO2EzdIYtCmI7fwcG smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2013 22:58:47 -0700 PDT Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 00:59:01 -0500 From: TtT To: Jay Laifman , "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay- I'm of the opinion and from the same problem years ago that you need a new selinoid. You should have battery voltage on the always hot side and with help measure the voltage when the key is turned to the start position. There should be little drop. Of removed and disassembled you will find brass or copper plate and springs, if memory serves..When power from the switch goes to the small bolt, the selinoid acts like a magnet and closes the circuit,sending voltage thru to the lug that the starter cable is on and the engine turns over. It may need replaced or you may have corrosion which is the problem. ALSO it seems each cell produces 2.2 volts, giving you 13.2. I maybe wrong as my memory sucks but if I'm right, you may have a dead cell.Have. you checked the levels of the electrolyte? The ballest resistor's only job is to reduce the voltage going to the points so not to burn them. Your problem isn't real serious. I just hope my battery volts per cell is correct. I'm sure I will be corrected. Lol. TtT Sent from Huawei Mobile Jay Laifman wrote: >On my Tiger, I'm having a starting problem. The new ignition switch did not >fix it. > >Here are the symptoms: I turn the key one click, the car gets power, the red >charging light goes on. I turn one more to power the starter, I get a click >and the power shuts down. I turn off the key, turn it one click again, but >this time no power. The charging light does not go on. > >When this first happened, the electrical, including the red charging light, >would work after a few moments. Now it does not go back on until I give 12V >straight to the starter switch. > >That is, I hooked up jumper cables to the + on the battery, and put it >directly to the post on the starter solenoid that comes from the ignition >switch. The starter cranks immediately. Then the electrical system is >working right again. > >Here are some more details: Measuring voltage, I have very little drop between >the battery post, to the fuse box, through the ignition switch and to the >stater solenoid. 12.48 at the battery, 12.40 at the starter solenoid switch >wire. > >But, after I try to start the car and the system shuts down, it is about 11.5 >all around (except the battery). > >The odd thing is that this doesn't happen until I turn the ignition switch to >the starter position. I can turn it from off, to run, or to accessory over >and over and all is fine. It's only when I go to the starter position that it >clicks and shuts down. Is there something other than the starter solenoid >that gets power at that time and might be bad? > >I just looked at the wiring diagram. The only other thing that comes into >play seems to be the ignition resistor. Could it fail in a way that causes >this? If so, is this a common part I can get at a local auto parts shop? Is >there some way to test it? > >Thanks, >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 06:53:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B313640397 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 06:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9004740358 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 06:52:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.57] by nm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 12:48:38 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.209] by tm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 12:48:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 12:48:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 27522 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2013 12:48:38 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370004518; bh=KkLrvXXJI2kCGlgNwv1tYy4keduxfAEo8KerIiXsxPo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=U7Cx0ae9SQ365kySR8XQ0XNo/gFsAy0TIBI1QDAQ4Kg3osulAL4SNzHHFpDs0duq1HchP8WCZ2kihu1Tm9zGbSThGv+kFFm8ZSNLPTS+R9JPdCBv9+i2l/nGNfaSFVDOvo9wXxmvWuZono1+weqV7id2/Ag2iK7EDOF7mv9QZBE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JGpmX8t/y+zDl+lnHZKAcNglhuyHsSYJHK05KcqFDwe8LcTqIyPZLnVEMlw9jjIh3Yy07q6uDhVNTsXRZ/8O+lThNNWnBqmCj5gq6tve7+37K+tryDbkCtHJHLLTohiTvzMOkHMYR7dfDb2fZGkhBig0GC+1fRF5G/RSRSDLhMA=; hZv6j2kvjdYhwP9TA0grDBIqbLQwGUFnPQxXHrb1U4zNxZkgPiAK9waWvXRE HUIBU.fn8pTCXO8W9KpOXCiJz3qiNcD7Y4IwIvUfuov99j1D9fwsgBUO2J6t XXbP0_2z8qAC_AtXg0n1xPR4zA9ZdsQzRnhdG85o6_XCxlh_NI1KDJEfTCtT GRomzV2OlSDdgoQyX4wmp2gHWtZUSj93L14bENLfmqLaXedEQAOOuOCk6Myd F.TL_zsIeyLkNAkOBWiHBWlIqPBg2mcDGX5joyiIN.h.WVEwNXlEBdgQ19c2 3luWMqU1Z5YoMjZq_1VNs10_Vm5l7WtKTrigOKbnb2_AMGmaAVK3zrzhgjEp edZSHAyoh5gdYQRhgfT82WsVIZgBmNp5_PyiBAcrOXvCXjsKoR_P6pbNxeAi qLnx1hsXzQgHCdlsmLbSKtt2.CMCKUy7ZcxFdiXELvTDZMtj_x5mrxrjeMJB mGgnb0HDld8eRegqgOYE.Y5f0yUcU.aPFWuxDmzICl6Ds Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 05:48:38 PDT SSBhbHNvIHB1cmNoYXNlZCB0aGUgU2NvdHQgRHJha2UgYWx1bSB0aW1pbmcgY292ZXIuwqAgSSB3ZW50IHdpdGggUmljaydzIGZyb20gU1MgZm9yIHRoZSBhbHVtIHdhdGVyIHB1bXAgZHVlIHRvIHRoZSBmYWN0IHRoYXQgdGhlIG1vZGlmaWNhdGlvbnMgdG8gdGhlIGh1YiBldGMgd2VyZSBhbHJlYWR5IGNvbXBsZXRlLsKgIEZZSSAtIGhlIGlzIG91dCBvZiBzdG9jayBvbiB0aGUgY2FzdCBpcm9uIHdhdGVyIHB1bXAuDQrCoA0KSm9lbAEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 05:48:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] water pumps and timing covers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I also purchased the Scott Drake alum timing cover. I went with Rick's from SS for the alum water pump due to the fact that the modifications to the hub etc were already complete. FYI - he is out of stock on the cast iron water pump. Joel _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 09:06:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94BE40434 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:06:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE0340405 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:06:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iegP1l0030FhH24A8f2FAQ; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:02:15 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id if2F1l00J2xZMJ48Uf2FFH; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:02:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:02:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" s=q20121106; t=1370012535; bh=GFSZNtW0E4B2iRZPoMsQ9t6RZfsCWj788w4eSicxGWE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=P2VCUCLRV79jatca5YT9ZZwZQnAhWs/WaQz4NoYObFyxWnnscgMqO2lz8WguwToK3 PNEeGOG4dvidXFXMCcMvGe4CFs8TGAHnpkI7BT3blle2gSiqtOKm9k3EG/hugREy/N p2E8ZomNlDj0u7dHVylHMdPGkZZnjplgUADN495TUc+slMVtoYkkCV9/+5fvbNQ9bo AJhXFb3vMkprhRSJTI5n7PHSXNSKafuG51pkrzldhdqZXYps1COWM1qnFQ2plueoEm BTDlp/4MGvG1kEng/FAU8jh6SyP18T9rd8x8ANCvweeJnS+gFdwmo53PLyF2G9p2g4 qP6P3ruG2oQww== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, I would just try cleaning the battery terminals. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: TtT To: Jay Laifman , tigers@autox.team.net Den Sent: Fri, 31 May 2013 05:59:01 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Jay- I'm of the opinion and from the same problem years ago that you need a new selinoid. You should have battery voltage on the always hot side and with help measure the voltage when the key is turned to the start position. There should be little drop. Of removed and disassembled you will find brass or copper plate and springs, if memory serves..When power from the switch goes to the small bolt, the selinoid acts like a magnet and closes the circuit,sending voltage thru to the lug that the starter cable is on and the engine turns over. It may need replaced or you may have corrosion which is the problem. ALSO it seems each cell produces 2.2 volts, giving you 13.2. I maybe wrong as my memory sucks but if I'm right, you may have a dead cell.Have. you checked the levels of the electrolyte? The ballest resistor's only job is to reduce the voltage going to the points so not to burn them. Your problem isn't real serious. I just hope my battery volts per cell is correct. I'm sure I will be corrected. Lol. TtT Sent from Huawei Mobile Jay Laifman wrote: >On my Tiger, I'm having a starting problem. The new ignition switch did not >fix it. > >Here are the symptoms: I turn the key one click, the car gets power, the red >charging light goes on. I turn one more to power the starter, I get a click >and the power shuts down. I turn off the key, turn it one click again, but >this time no power. The charging light does not go on. > >When this first happened, the electrical, including the red charging light, >would work after a few moments. Now it does not go back on until I give 12V >straight to the starter switch. > >That is, I hooked up jumper cables to the + on the battery, and put it >directly to the post on the starter solenoid that comes from the ignition >switch. The starter cranks immediately. Then the electrical system is >working right again. > >Here are some more details: Measuring voltage, I have very little drop between >the battery post, to the fuse box, through the ignition switch and to the >stater solenoid. 12.48 at the battery, 12.40 at the starter solenoid switch >wire. > >But, after I try to start the car and the system shuts down, it is about 11.5 >all around (except the battery). > >The odd thing is that this doesn't happen until I turn the ignition switch to >the starter position. I can turn it from off, to run, or to accessory over >and over and all is fine. It's only when I go to the starter position that it >clicks and shuts down. Is there something other than the starter solenoid >that gets power at that time and might be bad? > >I just looked at the wiring diagram. The only other thing that comes into >play seems to be the ignition resistor. Could it fail in a way that causes >this? If so, is this a common part I can get at a local auto parts shop? Is >there some way to test it? > >Thanks, >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 10:20:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F80B42708 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:20:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f45.google.com (mail-qa0-f45.google.com [209.85.216.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA154040D for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id o13so598856qaj.18 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:15:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=H7VQ3tWU0gCHsNSwpY6uGKctICmw9RMr34p2GvHpoa8=; b=0Q5onXyv6iMTNZZ4Hf8wamCGPA6VeLSCYQoJW8k9SPNhdB3VmKm6uhthn+hEFKZw+X 2XAwXSmLvHMYZuwBzXwnnh6l6aX4Ck5DcT6a43JYN4jqahHEoySfKv1TZgPw3bm5u/pp kWnfBIFkDi9hr+OVGPUlFzIW1KgD0ksxU54xb5E0ZHIqmPfXcEFaVR8zQxPyP1rQkVo+ 3kqPwnFhkcG+9bjzTCcx5aF2CPNxaX5PFC6sXOBp5PfcLy3eOObbrze7YYAW7426OetR 2yfsHFrD0rOGaEunPm6MwHSVKlsj+ErfbvZhtNOMDXq7AQQRMc79LvkB3Vp5EKkaa94h j4Lg== q6mr10118217qaj.63.1370016950357; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.196.9 with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:15:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <172308010.2538158.1370012535229.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:15:50 -0400 From: Jim Sencindiver To: Gary Winblad Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net And check the battery cables! Keep on Tigering! Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Gary Winblad wrote: > Jay, > I would just try cleaning the battery terminals. > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: TtT > To: Jay Laifman , tigers@autox.team.net Den < > tigers@autox.team.net> > Sent: Fri, 31 May 2013 05:59:01 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? > > Jay- I'm of the opinion and from the same problem years ago that you need > a new selinoid. You should have battery voltage on the always hot side and > with help measure the voltage when the key is turned to the start position. > There should be little drop. Of removed and disassembled you will find > brass or copper plate and springs, if memory serves..When power from the > switch goes to the small bolt, the selinoid acts like a magnet and closes > the circuit,sending voltage thru to the lug that the starter cable is on > and the engine turns over. It may need replaced or you may have corrosion > which is the problem. ALSO it seems each cell produces 2.2 volts, giving > you 13.2. I maybe wrong as my memory sucks but if I'm right, you may have a > dead cell.Have. you checked the levels of the electrolyte? The ballest > resistor's only job is to reduce the voltage going to the points so not to > burn them. Your problem isn't real serious. I just hope my battery volts > per cell is correct. I'm sure I will be > corrected. Lol. TtT > Sent from Huawei Mobile > > Jay Laifman wrote: > > >On my Tiger, I'm having a starting problem. The new ignition switch did > not > >fix it. > > > >Here are the symptoms: I turn the key one click, the car gets power, the > red > >charging light goes on. I turn one more to power the starter, I get a > click > >and the power shuts down. I turn off the key, turn it one click again, > but > >this time no power. The charging light does not go on. > > > >When this first happened, the electrical, including the red charging > light, > >would work after a few moments. Now it does not go back on until I give > 12V > >straight to the starter switch. > > > >That is, I hooked up jumper cables to the + on the battery, and put it > >directly to the post on the starter solenoid that comes from the ignition > >switch. The starter cranks immediately. Then the electrical system is > >working right again. > > > >Here are some more details: Measuring voltage, I have very little drop > between > >the battery post, to the fuse box, through the ignition switch and to the > >stater solenoid. 12.48 at the battery, 12.40 at the starter solenoid > switch > >wire. > > > >But, after I try to start the car and the system shuts down, it is about > 11.5 > >all around (except the battery). > > > >The odd thing is that this doesn't happen until I turn the ignition > switch to > >the starter position. I can turn it from off, to run, or to accessory > over > >and over and all is fine. It's only when I go to the starter position > that it > >clicks and shuts down. Is there something other than the starter solenoid > >that gets power at that time and might be bad? > > > >I just looked at the wiring diagram. The only other thing that comes into > >play seems to be the ignition resistor. Could it fail in a way that > causes > >this? If so, is this a common part I can get at a local auto parts shop? > Is > >there some way to test it? > > > >Thanks, > >_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 11:00:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038C84043F for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:00:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.126]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A3B40358 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:00:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 16:56:18 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.6] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 16:56:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 16:56:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370019378; bh=rT+ehZskKc5wPFRDeUBXXvKMOtOcBTdurK0fGzuNjJs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=chKpD28o0O/EYolBkNxHD6ikTs03ZZQTXqPoRDxkze2OJWobj1Oxet1ebvfqZ3mOk8q4yrZ9HpT/aDQ2mMgjdnehzgCVTmkNmd4uxfRyZyGGUh6IApnHNMw2XwEhJRHlsMK7ueLrTU7iuHpqUOTVo4ptfKl1hEkuAoSHpFRgZ3U= oUDLjk0tbM2_CHjMQlKYAc2b2UlusyohFpcUxW8Bg79mIP7.l5XOAi0wabZS OjBlKmPsjQOxxK0sBwJnP2Bqecfz9QO7j_jzfIwGoIq4d2B74_wupRrl2HcD dgc72EHqacFpq3e7mgkdIPTJoxujyCHgOOK3DQiucWfkiaXh_6cNF6Flht5h .gvI4uOvvj_x6vq.b9e18zSW6x.XEbmCUvxWK7i5oBQLms.cwXk3.WrKxquM JCqAqo.CGkRkuPPi.VvgKFUa40VJ2uytgRqwzNWFtuyXXwWceO1hwABM2Ia7 EdmivbQlkfJEzs.qd549uUpy9zARkSq6XTe7dAvQ0X3.mX4dZkFF3wWFUd9S WjusfXiau6uq506IsdLRAwa0Em7P78tHxI3l5B49P_88cvidXK9N68OG8zih BodvLY09yPCP40wjMCCvEm4qaTUeZHoY.Mh_3BJ.eL9RftU.L7.zmt1Gugeb 9IDjTaOCddxA2PgpJN6m7gS1DFibcoz4SCDUN smtp106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2013 09:56:18 -0700 PDT Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 11:56:31 -0500 From: TtT To: Joel Martin , tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] water pumps and timing covers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Someone help me understand why I can't use the aluminum or the cast iorn h2o pump on any SBF engine. TIA. TtT Sent from Huawei Mobile Joel Martin wrote: >I also purchased the Scott Drake alum timing cover. I went with Rick's from >SS for the alum water pump due to the fact that the modifications to the hub >etc were already complete. FYI - he is out of stock on the cast iron water >pump. > >Joel >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 11:10:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A85D4043F for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:10:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B92403B2 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:10:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 14so1357099vea.29 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:06:20 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=be+0swrrEy+hIQFfVjpqmXPSs02M/EPuumt0E6YSQck=; b=wFKSYALmQVbp5joJO5c/ns0Q55dX0gnMQkCfCEeg24EfrY11QacrX4gM+meZDiPNgc UpZEumtJyn4jRYyK7BNu2Dc3AlP5pSjKNGvgSW56EIRle8ymvvMA5K9qNjqAQGDP2pgA 6mP4nYJtrf4UKWQeuAtmfSqGgF5uHu4jgZ9aX8NXqA5UndCg+VJmPgK2hdxQ4OTSkyEu VwF+A98Tbqz4HCxwBLmAEy+lFPqVlG2PObtlV62ygPUKySJniXXvXYlIEyhS8F4+okJV MQT8CNqoh2wEEu3x6RA6wduy/3mot4/C9FjOkaCs/R1ObputL3CkqHbKctInfUW9fUrm /7Ug== p7mr11053938vco.10.1370019980597; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:06:20 -0700 (PDT) References: <172308010.2538158.1370012535229.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 10:06:20 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Gary Winblad Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you everyone. I will try some of the various suggestions this weekend. I've been kind of hoping it is not the solenoid since changing it looks like such an amazing pain with the servo in the way. I've often accomplished some very difficult part replacements where I really had to squirm and hold wrenches at all sorts of impossible angles. This one looks like it just might be too difficult. And I'm not even sure just unbolting the servo bracket gets me enough flexibility. I still don't understand how if I have very little drop in voltage from the battery though the fuse block, and through the ignition switch to the solenoid start wire (.08V, i.e., 12.48 down to 12.4) that it is a connection issue. I also still don't understand how if the battery is old with low amp power, why it works when I take the power to the solenoid start wire straight from the battery. And, I don't understand how it could be a bad solenoid when it works fine when I power the solenoid start wire directly. But, tests are cheap and I'm happy to do them! Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 11:31:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BE64043F for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe006.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6CD40415 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:31:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail117-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.253) by CH1EHSOBE012.bigfish.com (10.43.70.62) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:27:03 +0000 Received: from mail117-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail117-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A4CC0283; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:27:02 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail117-ch1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail117-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail117-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1370021220221731_27883; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS030.bigfish.com (snatpool1.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.250]) by mail117-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2712A005E; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CH1EHSMHS030.bigfish.com (10.43.70.30) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:26:57 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com (10.2.1.219) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:27:25 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.1.219]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:26:55 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Jay Laifman , Gary Winblad Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Thread-Index: AQHOXcPyuWihbm/+GkW7zCf+AhYc1Jkft/WAgAAirAD//7E0MA== Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 17:26:54 +0000 References: <172308010.2538158.1370012535229.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Jay, When you try this again, get the system to its failed state, and then measure from the positive battery post to the cable clamp around the post. Then measure from the cable clamp to the cable itself. Do the same for the negative side. If you have an electrolytically corroded connection, it would show up right there. If you do have to work on the solenoid, just make sure to unhook the battery connections first. Theo > -----Original Message----- > I still don't understand how if I have very little drop in voltage from > the battery though the fuse block, and through the ignition switch to > the solenoid start wire (.08V, i.e., 12.48 down to 12.4) that it is a > connection issue. I also still don't understand how if the battery is > old with low amp power, why it works when I take the power to the > solenoid start wire straight from the battery. And, I don't understand > how it could be a bad solenoid when it works fine when I power the > solenoid start wire directly. But, tests are cheap and I'm happy to do > them! > > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 11:39:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB18442718 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:39:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f174.google.com (mail-qc0-f174.google.com [209.85.216.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B621840415 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:39:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id m16so966220qcq.5 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:35:25 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=fQxKBCYEnnujT3xVhsKfm4thvliRd8sKiq+WPNVLXng=; b=o8AwztZSxOV7Sge6BXjPHM+w+3ZkTpUDtQgf1ug+BN+of8lpqUzFEda2mD46buEaY2 YXe6tnZHIyLQlR/5pc3sTdVwszUTm0kpuh2QM6EpNECvCXwF4rhGRY+SHM2vajGmHYV4 PVVkY3xi11Ms8OXOmn67Op3Ve3L0+zGLvZz+c8H3dtySeHkQHAZVehnbPcr2y2TMyp7z yAEjamMsiSC2BvpOyL1JcF3Ck0pTM1x5O+ryKS8IafEhKnOmsglGY9zqhxOy98INRG9N f7d2UrZ9aKUxQ5FcsIimqvGMUfZn/iduLjMREOXBKm236Sc41HLIONyY5CPsopVl7Muc MlZg== l5mr4026372qcu.23.1370021725111; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.196.9 with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:35:25 -0700 (PDT) References: <172308010.2538158.1370012535229.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 13:35:25 -0400 From: Jim Sencindiver To: Jay Laifman Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, Had a similar problem and to make a long story short, I had significant corrosion of the stranded battery ground cable where it joins the battery lug connector. With no load it would pass voltage with no problem, but try to start the engine and the current would cause the connection to go to hell. Took me a week of playing with a multimeter to figure it out. Keep on Tigering! Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > Thank you everyone. I will try some of the various suggestions this > weekend. > > I've been kind of hoping it is not the solenoid since changing it looks > like such an amazing pain with the servo in the way. I've often > accomplished some very difficult part replacements where I really had to > squirm and hold wrenches at all sorts of impossible angles. This one looks > like it just might be too difficult. And I'm not even sure just unbolting > the servo bracket gets me enough flexibility. > > I still don't understand how if I have very little drop in voltage from the > battery though the fuse block, and through the ignition switch to the > solenoid start wire (.08V, i.e., 12.48 down to 12.4) that it is a > connection issue. I also still don't understand how if the battery is old > with low amp power, why it works when I take the power to the solenoid > start wire straight from the battery. And, I don't understand how it could > be a bad solenoid when it works fine when I power the solenoid start wire > directly. But, tests are cheap and I'm happy to do them! > > > Jay > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 12:04:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A13425C3 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f175.google.com (mail-ve0-f175.google.com [209.85.128.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B588242712 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:02:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f175.google.com with SMTP id da11so1381911veb.34 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:58:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=6/6dWc3DkEw/hDB00Y8ygo/GywViaEdVSuxdDzVCWtY=; b=rS8P9OwSKti3/t6KWQm6hVrXVyGK6QJzI1KumFx1Y5/u0cQCgJA7E8BkbIgrgyLdRP bjhnf5qZ7Lg0/fpygnC233h7rdokNZeoQnxIOJoJEdllhSRa7vUyOse0VsRnPfjrlEof jflV/kkD/OXpUhjhgsidql+OUXjoDc7qCKFoAXwE1Cp9M/3oskeIzuMS6WuCBuF3j4cb rvEAsk0nBRXGsaXEkXqfreMbX8mYBp/Q1RVTY8cDBOcanjN33GqNQnMyFI1M35GGzSbx ud04cOBWlTU+4OzZ+AjdG58meRDeKAVR1db5yR4qe3Q94UjRLrEGHje0vcF0TeD+V2Ko Z/iQ== bc4mr11201548veb.48.1370023110568; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:58:30 -0700 (PDT) References: <172308010.2538158.1370012535229.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A1FF003@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 10:58:30 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Smit, Theo" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Seeing as how the battery connection is becoming a theme here, I thought I'd add that my dad has a quick release device on the battery. I measured V at both the battery and after the quick release and saw no change. But, given the advice so far, this part came to mind. I will remove it too and see if that changes anything.. Here is a link with a picture of the one that is in there. http://www.jtsonline.com.au/wiring/terminals/battery-terminal-brass-quick-release.html On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Smit, Theo wrote: > Hi Jay, > When you try this again, get the system to its failed state, and then > measure from the positive battery post to the cable clamp around the post. > Then measure from the cable clamp to the cable itself. Do the same for the > negative side. If you have an electrolytically corroded connection, it > would show up right there. > > If you do have to work on the solenoid, just make sure to unhook the > battery connections first. > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > I still don't understand how if I have very little drop in voltage from > > the battery though the fuse block, and through the ignition switch to > > the solenoid start wire (.08V, i.e., 12.48 down to 12.4) that it is a > > connection issue. I also still don't understand how if the battery is > > old with low amp power, why it works when I take the power to the > > solenoid start wire straight from the battery. And, I don't understand > > how it could be a bad solenoid when it works fine when I power the > > solenoid start wire directly. But, tests are cheap and I'm happy to do > > them! > > > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole > use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be > confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in > error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including > attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 12:17:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C8A40546 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:17:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934AF403DF for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:17:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4BA6E7003546F; Fri, 31 May 2013 14:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlc001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.207]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EF308E000082; Fri, 31 May 2013 14:12:52 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 14:12:52 -0400 (EDT) To: jay.laifman@gmail.com, garywinblad@comcast.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370023973; bh=TThHVn+urgvYNisY/vIXTKRUlTb+q9eXuh5Cdfb5AKE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H+PoKHfk1X56Kz4CR1jLOTjBJpfOTMEf1yiRO9bMz7vg9DEf/o1pVK9lNzMFJ8dSi JXWc/GgUxo8zUXmpxfH6vosQ7rdS4L4DLcfY79GOl9OCbvpeHZ5A+n4OAfgA6UTL/o Dryb8WSIupj7pV7OUdDOc1UV7hrwMnGvp7EpwGfw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c51a8e82468de Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, Funny, but I remember your father discussing that exact subject on this site. I think he liked the idea of 2 people doing the job. Bolts need to be turned from outside and nuts held on the inside of the car. Oh, and of course, if you start fooling with that thing, don't forget to disconnect the battery. Naw, you wouldn't forget Mark L In a message dated 5/31/2013 1:06:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jay.laifman@gmail.com writes: Thank you everyone. I will try some of the various suggestions this weekend. I've been kind of hoping it is not the solenoid since changing it looks like such an amazing pain with the servo in the way. I've often accomplished some very difficult part replacements where I really had to squirm and hold wrenches at all sorts of impossible angles. This one looks like it just might be too difficult. And I'm not even sure just unbolting the servo bracket gets me enough flexibility. I still don't understand how if I have very little drop in voltage from the battery though the fuse block, and through the ignition switch to the solenoid start wire (.08V, i.e., 12.48 down to 12.4) that it is a connection issue. I also still don't understand how if the battery is old with low amp power, why it works when I take the power to the solenoid start wire straight from the battery. And, I don't understand how it could be a bad solenoid when it works fine when I power the solenoid start wire directly. But, tests are cheap and I'm happy to do them! Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 12:26:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE19A403E4 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:26:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f179.google.com (mail-vc0-f179.google.com [209.85.220.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3682403E4 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:25:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hz10so1275560vcb.38 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:21:17 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=f8dW6joP/7nsV/dkzxghAWgYD9W+5jN95RhrxiqDMjM=; b=I/6eJK9Li1YIh+t9Glbiq2CjxzCLXlm/t8ieKwDx6qh5C05YS0ELhKss08QUvJF6NH AnVwfR4pRNSakKZJQD5dq/PLzP4jBwvQKfpP24l9I4UqIoMQQPqe5ZHjUXZ80/P9idQ4 rqhwzROiJq2ia1Ip4HEBLyxnlLlBVjYTV9CRonOIJc9VTKaAu6SbOoGizIOxeh5rWg7o H4rjkPnyvmlKfjia8avdn2HqbqVv3pnnm1Ea/n6kvJ/qGE7YHnEJG4G7+T4ZhTAaFjPq y6oH33fK5Q0mq01he/NyTcILuEG5TRg9SCbMmFsH2IBRgAYuwLEBtAeo6YG5rzZXDtZX D77Q== x13mr11182258vcp.71.1370024477400; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:21:17 -0700 (PDT) References: <4e3d2.d7f42dd.3eda4224@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 11:21:17 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "CoolVT@aol.com" Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My dad frequently mentioned the need for two elbows for working on English cars. I think Rootes may may have perfected the need in creating the Tiger. Jay On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > ** > *Jay,* > *Funny, but I remember your father discussing that exact subject on this > site. I think he liked the idea of 2 people doing the job. Bolts need to > be turned from outside and nuts held on the inside of the car. Oh, and of > course, if you start fooling with that thing, don't forget to disconnect > the battery. Naw, you wouldn't forget* > *Mark L* _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 12:31:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269114271E for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:31:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89EF403B2 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:31:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4VIQul7009862; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:27:16 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id sj1-dm103.5192ebfe.21d65b; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:27:10 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.179.37]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:27:06 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'TtT'" , "'Joel Martin'" , Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 14:27:01 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5eH80zP6P8l44nR/O8uTs9jqDhGgACppSg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-31_08:2013-05-31,2013-05-31,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1305310166 Subject: Re: [Tigers] water pumps and timing covers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Timing covers and water pumps are specific to each other. The timing cover for the Aluminum water pump has a round casting for the pump to work within and 2 curved ports for the coolant flow. http://www.drakeautomotivegroup.com/Store/Product/C4AZ-6019-A.aspx?wid=141 Timing cover for the cast iron water pump is a shallower casting because the water pump has a steel plate with 2 special bolts. This timing cover accommodate those two bolts. http://www.drakeautomotivegroup.com/Store/Product/C4AZ-6019-B.aspx?wid=141 Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TtT Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 12:57 PM To: Joel Martin; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] water pumps and timing covers Someone help me understand why I can't use the aluminum or the cast iorn h2o pump on any SBF engine. TIA. TtT Sent from Huawei Mobile Joel Martin wrote: >I also purchased the Scott Drake alum timing cover. I went with Rick's >from SS for the alum water pump due to the fact that the modifications >to the hub etc were already complete. FYI - he is out of stock on the >cast iron water pump. > >Joel >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6371 - Release Date: 05/31/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 12:58:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4608F424D8 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:58:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DC3403B2 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:58:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNO00LJCF6MWIK1@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Fri, 31 May 2013 13:54:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <4e3d2.d7f42dd.3eda4224@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 11:54:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >>>Bolts need to be turned from outside and nuts held on the inside of the >>>car.<<< Options: 1. You can convince your wife or kids to help. 2. You can affix (solder or weld) the nuts to a strap of metal thus reverse engineering Rootes logic and remove the solenoid by yourself (the next time). Of course... you have to get it out modify it. 3. You can choose to forgo the servo booster and have a convenient spot to bolt the solenoid. Effectively killing two birds (problems) with one stone. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? > Jay, > Funny, but I remember your father discussing that exact subject on this > site. I think he liked the idea of 2 people doing the job. Oh, and of > course, if you start fooling with that thing, don't forget to disconnect > the > battery. Naw, you wouldn't forget > Mark L > > > In a message dated 5/31/2013 1:06:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > jay.laifman@gmail.com writes: > > Thank you everyone. I will try some of the various suggestions this > weekend. > > I've been kind of hoping it is not the solenoid since changing it looks > like such an amazing pain with the servo in the way. I've often > accomplished some very difficult part replacements where I really had to > squirm and hold wrenches at all sorts of impossible angles. This one > looks > like it just might be too difficult. And I'm not even sure just > unbolting > the servo bracket gets me enough flexibility. > > I still don't understand how if I have very little drop in voltage from > the > battery though the fuse block, and through the ignition switch to the > solenoid start wire (.08V, i.e., 12.48 down to 12.4) that it is a > connection issue. I also still don't understand how if the battery is > old > with low amp power, why it works when I take the power to the solenoid > start wire straight from the battery. And, I don't understand how it > could > be a bad solenoid when it works fine when I power the solenoid start wire > directly. But, tests are cheap and I'm happy to do them! > > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend@verizon.net > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6371 - Release Date: 05/31/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 13:00:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C8742716 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 13:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E8A403B2 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 13:00:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4VItBll004812; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:55:57 -0700 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b0d7) id dm0224.5192ebb6.2146e6; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:55:42 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jay Laifman'" , Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 14:55:29 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5eK7yIsoztSuPWTnGgGifQNNMOPAAAZgKQ engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-31_08:2013-05-31,2013-05-31,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1305310175 Cc: 'Tiger's Den' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay As with any time you are looking for the Root cause of a problem - never say that part can't be the problem. Always check everything from battery to starter, from ignition switch to solenoid, everything. The internal wire diagram I have of the starter solenoid shows that the "S" terminal- Ign switch WR wire should have continuity to ground or the base of the solenoid only. None of the other Lugs have continuity to ground. Check your ground at the solenoid and the bolts holding it to the body. Biggest problem working on the solenoid, besides its position, is you really need to use 2 wrenches to get the nuts off the lugs otherwise you might shear a lug off and then it is replacement time. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:21 PM To: CoolVT@aol.com Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? My dad frequently mentioned the need for two elbows for working on English cars. I think Rootes may may have perfected the need in creating the Tiger. Jay On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > ** > *Jay,* > *Funny, but I remember your father discussing that exact subject on > this site. I think he liked the idea of 2 people doing the job. > Bolts need to be turned from outside and nuts held on the inside of > the car. Oh, and of course, if you start fooling with that thing, > don't forget to disconnect the battery. Naw, you wouldn't forget* > *Mark L* _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 13:26:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4C840530 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 13:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9290440510 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 13:21:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 115837005AF83 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqe001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqe001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.65]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D5CB7E00008C for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:17:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:17:13 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370027834; bh=KEv8HzTC4Uf6fYIWtyP5VLpkMpQxHPDyDzJvFugDTIE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wsMbQWJkdeKhtQF47mmDdTU+3sPYs9Xj4LmHgxWb9hAryC2xoWEK27bjul7FVHt+x J6fvUwooicqv6v7n5rYjp9SW1BiYW3RHpy9+yJqx108enE04u0MdMX7bPMGzocdoKN wypdvNORUelSjjbNBgLY7M2O8Qjso3QV3qptfcKQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290851a8f7391a8e Subject: [Tigers] battery ground cable Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Once upon a time, I smelled something burning in my trunk........ Immediately I shut down all electrical systems I VERY QUICKLY removed the stuff in the trunk, then the Tiger floor and traced the heat and smolder to... the battery ground wire, which had fried at where it makes its chassis ground connection. Imagine my surprise. Went to the NAPA store with the cable in hand. Got a 'same length' replacement. Cleaned up the connection point and installed ground cable. No more issues. But what an unpleasant surprise. I hate smoke and fire. Reminds me of when my carb puked gas into the paper air filter element and then starting a fire. But...that's another story. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 15:54:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11D840551 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:54:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mx04.gis.net (mx04.gis.net [208.218.130.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54070403E7 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:54:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.130.20]) by mx04.gis.net; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:50:24 -0400 From: "rande@thecia.net" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 17:50:25 -0400 Priority: normal Subject: [Tigers] parts - Defrost hoses Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sunbeam Specialties still has defroster hoses, exact diag and length and color, for around $11 each. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 16:06:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1C242576 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 16:06:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EF7403E7 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 16:06:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D0CE27003755E; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlc001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.207]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9CBC1E000087; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:02:16 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 18:02:16 -0400 (EDT) To: rande@thecia.net, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370037736; bh=Zv+khE1LDr+zn8bg9T3cN5HUZyHo/kGyWpiGjsASfbI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DSJLwvWbEMB0pL7sOYRA0dZFPFuXCe9bfquV0VBZMqK0CqicPjyQtZoJRC3Foi/XJ KASmwoiRZLflp3KM9DW2jVYJpS54ddHOgYd9KEwPw3X7IETDJnW4497inQfRklhLXT k8uQpoUaehRVeWrUyst15exQeeMlvurvo0koo63A= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a51a91de82836 Subject: Re: [Tigers] parts - Defrost hoses Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Think I got some yrs. ago at NAPA. Was sold by the foot off a roll. Pretty cheap. Home Depot, in the plumbing dept., has some covered in plastic. Pretty heavy stuff. I didn't measure, but a quick look I thought it might fit. Not sure what it was intended for in the plumbing dept. Mark L In a message dated 5/31/2013 5:50:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rande2@thecia.net writes: Sunbeam Specialties still has defroster hoses, exact diag and length and color, for around $11 each. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net