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To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] $120,000.00 tiger? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Earlier this year I heard that a tiger went for 120 K at one of the auctions. Was it a regular tiger ? Are tigers finally catching on? Would appreciate any come back on it. Thank you. Russ rtscolgan@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 15:45:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F8942AFB for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:45:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f172.google.com (mail-pd0-f172.google.com [209.85.192.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0CC42A64 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:43:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f172.google.com with SMTP id t10so1209499pdi.31 for ; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 14:39:21 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=+Z70TjjdHyZGpnVV4Bu/pF6nCijnRcpfnCePqpflFlo=; b=j7pjc1FTBG4B/S+2iNqXoN4xrLR0XuYJoDuqLtaJxq7tyvRSCPSLUYYRthiizG5JF0 HOCUipgL3iUj1dQ2bwCKqk/xIj/H79zQYpfjZKnbrCaBjXl9jTQmhrK7oRjTYBc1wa3U zCybx8BQ8ePmLWXzJin41OsImiuDYM5xwojzn4I1UzDCDjWymzHB6jqNIQW7jFh9H+bO w36FHp8xPwbazNyZNWMPmyxicJszlgaY8dHaBzOgXfzKeF3XsIR/tFY2qOqVrVOzVA4j ZV7ewLksTYCkYt4PUXtGvrmrYhnJUvnWsQcDvWxFQG8/TBqfFPgDMGtxpIyu81GjHzzP LFUQ== ra9mr21795179pac.163.1370209161722; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 14:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ri8sm56203170pbc.3.2013.06.02.14.39.19 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 02 Jun 2013 14:39:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 14:39:18 -0700 References: <172308010.2538158.1370012535229.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A1FF003@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> To: "Smit, Theo" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well, the vast majority were correct. Bad battery. What a bummer. Lots of work for nothing. At least I don't have to get in to replace the soleloid. Too bad it's the most expensive part. Nevertheless, THANKS to everyone! On the flip side, I noticed that the Holley is dripping gas out the bottom, from what looks like an accelerator pump. Looks like the carb needs to come out to service it. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 18:21:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2374142B63 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 18:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f170.google.com (mail-pd0-f170.google.com [209.85.192.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1880442B17 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 18:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f170.google.com with SMTP id x10so4839172pdj.15 for ; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 17:09:06 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=b32r7G/JfG7gnq2raml4d5CJzPWgfZdAIq/jX93br+Q=; b=eRiODokw6ZrvwM+bNsc0O27hJSw4ntTheAN1YkWYYnX47Taylb7/gUbCak66RkAEqs AXEwc4oTtrrrd1DzLXc3H7aA0ZgXGui5ZaxgNDQXlTylXTzl6y3Bh9f5oPFI3itTLKwV mxD4FUjZxhjSnNrHGVwJXXpyF0Xz8WqVfCyfBmrjgOuElTo+QMMZ89lxrpMfbHhdbAkf MjxweIUL8TuDyiSbzMc/P++5fqHdfHmggzbjDCyl3SPc+6YHRJ1iZzZi2+3qfKFrUV+Y Xa6ki5T4CsEwHYpYRVU0li8Bc5xm5wGttadDMmU76E8fMz9u4VngAbNbsUoSmNcDfsy+ mXSA== y5mr21527847pbw.28.1370218146061; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 17:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.235.39 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:09:05 -0700 (PDT) References: <172308010.2538158.1370012535229.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A1FF003@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> <4A1A64CA-79A1-4AB8-B663-E8F987C80610@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 10:09:05 +1000 From: michael king To: Jay Laifman Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net IIRC CAT have a discount for members on the Optima batteries.. they are great and dont leak! On 3 June 2013 07:39, Jay Laifman wrote: > Well, the vast majority were correct. Bad battery. What a bummer. Lots > of > work for nothing. At least I don't have to get in to replace the soleloid. > Too bad it's the most expensive part. Nevertheless, THANKS to everyone! > > On the flip side, I noticed that the Holley is dripping gas out the bottom, > from what looks like an accelerator pump. Looks like the carb needs to > come > out to service it. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 18:21:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7479342B83 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 18:21:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDF242B17 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 18:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5308N7X022001; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:11:25 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0219.5192ebc4.232c44; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:11:22 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.140.119]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 00:11:15 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jay Laifman'" , "'Smit, Theo'" Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 20:11:09 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5f2ffI17T1NuS5SNKR/14K8Kd0WQAE9Jug engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-02_08:2013-05-31,2013-06-02,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1306020307 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay Glad you isolated the problem. Accelerator pump leak now - it never ends but a good thing you saw it now. Many times the accelerator pump cover screws have been over torqued and the cover get warped; check it on a flat surface. I had to put a cover in a press with some light pressure to flatten it. You can also use some 400 grit or finer sandpaper on a flat surface to make the cover's gasket face flat. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:39 PM To: Smit, Theo Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Well, the vast majority were correct. Bad battery. What a bummer. Lots of work for nothing. At least I don't have to get in to replace the soleloid. Too bad it's the most expensive part. Nevertheless, THANKS to everyone! On the flip side, I noticed that the Holley is dripping gas out the bottom, from what looks like an accelerator pump. Looks like the carb needs to come out to service it. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6371 - Release Date: 05/31/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 07:02:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F47F42E2F for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 07:02:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f46.google.com (mail-pb0-f46.google.com [209.85.160.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462E742C0A for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 06:57:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id rq2so5667090pbb.19 for ; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 05:53:22 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=BC/Tw2OGjpzePUoSMmKJIn46XSO5uKJs3AR/eGQaJ3k=; b=LL8Zq1MX3Q76sGitB1s3gE3jkKdK+OsXgFzw76Wno9mecS2K3fP52KbdyIox13WoUm CIlZMhWbLyDw+vCr5bDhZ7hgJhReerS28N13kWEh7iCWyxOKAdPswitjfuqERfnYeavH I4nRt+qiwCVw5ewVHlQkmwCkWMrBQEP4DFAiT3XMKm7FO8hFXRAJXV+9lpF5yf4nU895 iVSuYDAHjrXZpSb0PhoC+q+H3G/Pm9E4fq0OTLGxNVVGg1Wy35dWRSf47qRhiArQDsdo dVDH0NAP3on9xBwP5CygQrHq3FyrgwbkqLRZux9UinC9fVTfzbKTApHw/Ywt2JPG+atj tCPw== na9mr23982047pbc.90.1370264002531; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 05:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.8.37 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 05:53:22 -0700 (PDT) References: <1370196407.32044.YahooMailNeo@web122004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 07:53:22 -0500 From: Cullen McCann To: "Russ and Tammy C." Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] $120,000.00 tiger? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Russ, being still a bit of a new guy myself, I hate to see any question unresponded to...I've been there myself. Problem is, I don't recall which Tiger it was that sold for the 120k mark. SEEMS like I remember discussions of a carnival red 260 car of some vintage selling for 6 figure range. My only thoughts are that its hard to define a "regular" Tiger, but I suppose a carnival red Mk 1 or 1a would b a pretty "vanilla" in the Tiger world as opposed to a MK2 or works car, or a race car or something. So many of them have unique histories, unique ownership, unique VIN's that marked the beginning or end of a certain body characteristic, or unusual color schemes, etc, so its hard to define them in my opinion. All that being said, I think its very true that Tigers are "catching on" or increasing in value. Mk2's are becoming less obtainable on one end of the spectrum, and 4 Cylinder Alpines are growing as well. I was talking to one of the guys just a couple days ago about some of these Alpines on eBay that are selling for 8, 9...10 grand or more...which is ALOT more than I paid for my distraught Tiger project several years ago.... so if clean restored Alpines can bring 8 to 10 grand, and MK2's can bring 85-120 grand...then Id say "regular" Tigers are some one in between depending on condition and thats an increase over years past. I still see unrestored basketcases in the 10-15 grand range...occasionally, and street ready drivers in the 30's and 40's... and restored examples in the 60's, 70's and such..so if selling prices or asking prices is any indication of their value or popularity...I'd say they are among the more collectible cars of their class these days. Its all relative I suppose....There are those who would say there are always coattails to ride upon...there will always be another car that is ahead of it, but for those who want to feel good about their investments, I think we all should feel justified in that... Cullen Alpine 260 Yukon, OK On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Russ and Tammy C. wrote: > Earlier this year I heard that a tiger went for 120 K at one of the > auctions. > Was it a regular tiger ? Are tigers finally catching on? Would appreciate > any come back on it. Thank you. Russ rtscolgan@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 11:25:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA5142ED3 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 11:25:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s25.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s25.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB2B42E88 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 11:23:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU166-DS9 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 3 Jun 2013 10:19:00 -0700 From: "Curt Bowland" To: "tigers" Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:18:58 -0500 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:18:58 -0500 FILETIME=[705C8360:01CE607E] Subject: [Tigers] Tigers @ Sonoma Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Boy, for a change Tigers get some excellent coverage and exposure. Check out the photos at http://www.sportscardigest.com/sonoma-historic-festival-2013-report-and-phot os/ Photographer Denis Gray has some GREAT photos of Tom Dyer's Monster Tiger and Grant Lipsky's nicely prepared 1965 Tiger. Love seeing these guys get some press. All this at the Corvette 50th Anniversary bash. This is a great site that comes out weekly and covers the world. Regards, Curt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 12:14:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BDE42EDC for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:14:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7359942ECC for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (50-196-144-237-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.196.144.237]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r53I6V8o025021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 11:06:34 -0700 From: John Stithem Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 11:06:31 -0700 References: To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Optima Discount for CAT Members Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Has anyone used the Optima Discount? How much of a discount did you get off the Optima website price? Summit sells Optima batteries and are listed for a lot lower price than what is advertised on the Optima website. Just wondering if the "Discount" offered to CAT members make the price better than what you can buy it elsewhere for. > > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 10:09:05 +1000 > From: michael king > To: Jay Laifman > Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > IIRC CAT have a discount for members on the Optima batteries.. they are > great and dont leak! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 13:04:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B613E43078 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:04:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED9042F9A for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:04:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY172-DS18 ([65.54.190.188]) by bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 3 Jun 2013 11:59:58 -0700 From: "Thomas Prager" To: , "John Stithem" References: Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:59:56 -0500 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:59:56 -0500 FILETIME=[8AF282C0:01CE608C] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Optima Discount for CAT Members Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Try Amazon - $160 with free super saver shipping................ tom ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 1:06 PM Subject: [Tigers] Optima Discount for CAT Members Has anyone used the Optima Discount? How much of a discount did you get off the Optima website price? Summit sells Optima batteries and are listed for a lot lower price than what is advertised on the Optima website. Just wondering if the "Discount" offered to CAT members make the price better than what you can buy it elsewhere for. > > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 10:09:05 +1000 > From: michael king > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? > Message-ID: > ET8snXG7JZnVBzE0FL4f00LcVdhFBtxDSr66eAfU_+9++_jQg@mail.gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > IIRC CAT have a discount for members on the Optima batteries.. they are > great and dont leak! _______________________________________________ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tcprager@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 13:05:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E8B43086 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E732742F9A for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:05:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.174] by nm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 19:01:03 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.199] by tm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 19:01:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 19:01:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 4857 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2013 19:01:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370286063; bh=lTT4uw2ZLk/cPXwoRfpOJJV7q5jtHYN776HhFJB5pBc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EtfFbUQeFZTmDbNc4HZih41S2/3DXvtnlaG6YmHwk+se/MvRuZksLHdhEfWUdIjeTIUsRt3CucGmBtWOLAFxCcC+Q1SgGuLLYy9wneX56rl4MpKu+v+6u/EPF3ahI7eDJplP0axE/3nvK0uP3sutey9jASaXYpgdESGbAwm2tak= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Mvlfo/fX5Pe23ixrsGIqPVH0Pl5j73FCf7GE4cKB8xab0AZOGyQrS1j/Hlhi2SzLZXt0uVK0AZhVig1UmuCvE6ra0T9QQm/CDyteycRTfCxC1iDsh9z8DthQ6UoCEEeQtXN1UEqharW6KH6npsdzagwj500Jn5dWqavpp6ufp0A=; _WiKeOsJQbHyDy1h5UN3ws68wjCr51mdAaUyLuJCCkiPRTHJ4DrctDitpb3Q 8TcUxiT_sntL5VuxfWbghBfEngzeGAnwfQvnMz8anpdHcmZ9A0thloTHIr2S z0Y3GrOIHI0oibVi4Hm4oo4.48QxYceHBOy9vpKMEVaJXwjecM59CW6oa6i0 w8neKjMJY_cXYLHdYxYKr4k2loiMEkyJvhgNc52.L1CJuUa0RGATKeolhiF1 3RNQ79BCkTPc9KurSykjHz.j89VPRYjF1CKn1P9LVVBwKnEAKmrpAp7MMNC_ .GAbp.5zibCq8bmTnE4HmJYET6mLCO8gist57OdtSzXXjkQf8Ja9XAd3Hft9 2zg7l5zrIreIXC4HEbSCnxZgXQZX10MPElkN_GqkjkO0UCcQF_ZYSpS3pN3f IfPN6OEQYelfVm1icN3vtdZJIxYlXvmH3VD8y2m.bxHkCK1O097uGEeULgnS Vn.b34ABEMpqzrLInLJpgoMM7iku4Es3Nfg5s5X9fkRY6qmrfPm4CO54nXmw - Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 12:01:02 PDT VGhpcyBpcyBzb210aGluZyB0aGF0IEkgaGFkIGZvcmdvdHRlbiB0aWxsIEkgcHVyY2hhc2VkIGEgbmV3IFZvbHRhZ2UgUmVndWxhdG9yIGR1cmluZyBteSByZXN0b3JhdGlvbi4uDQrCoA0KRXZlcnkgdGltZSB5b3UgZGlzY29ubmVjdCBlaXRoZXIgeW91ciBwb3NpdGl2ZSBvciBuZWdhdGl2ZSBiYXR0ZXJ5IHRlcm1pbmFsIGFuZCB5b3UgcnVuIGEgZ2VuZXJhdG9yIHdpdGggYSB2b2x0YWdlIHJlZ3VsYXRvciwgeW91IGFyZSByZXF1aXJlZCB0byBwb2xhcml6ZSB0aGUgcmVndWxhdG9yLg0KwqANCkluc3RydWMBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Polarize Regulator - FYI Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is somthing that I had forgotten till I purchased a new Voltage Regulator during my restoration.. Every time you disconnect either your positive or negative battery terminal and you run a generator with a voltage regulator, you are required to polarize the regulator. Instructions: Caution: _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 13:14:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0D9430AB for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:14:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f181.google.com (mail-ie0-f181.google.com [209.85.223.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80EA242FB5 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f181.google.com with SMTP id x14so11658075ief.12 for ; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 12:02:34 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=SXtnY59Jcg0CVuqEC7jQoS35yIF9q8XMOu2L9C7MiVg=; b=YeE9BcWXYFqT7VUA+12YlV+3q9nvHRaZhM4TcyhAtwwBd/ptscY5fsvzNCtiH62iej PjRlZPm6L4j5tDiS1PmkK2IbX3Fl5fCjCxcuDshhA+nfFUZIWbBBUqXcEK1YbUJ+le5R YooOBtzymGkKol5gXXmPbG2o2QaKnLVnsox3eX/nPB7iN06cP+j0xeV/EUS83L/tzZ8T /eNGUikGodgUtPZ0f68fb4hUarQGRfKZ5r4uW/xF0qT9OOVhPNmyvUI5W8mrwV/tRfu8 IQcUi23Bm3bp/78Z97pqW9tvuDZh8HA5QVMq2Kh2Dvvo4RvAM9OP47U8HJZAeAWoAqh3 bBHA== e3mr8976389igo.109.1370286154141; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 12:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.108.6 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:02:34 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:02:34 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Thomas Prager Cc: John Stithem , Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Optima Discount for CAT Members Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Not to start too much of a seque, but I understand that there was a bad batch of Optimas for a while there. I don't know if it has ended, or if it was definitely a real problem. But, assuming it was, I wonder if there is some way to get comfort that what is being purchased from any given source is a newer one without the alleged problem. On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Thomas Prager wrote: > Try Amazon - $160 with free super saver shipping................ > > tom > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 1:06 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Optima Discount for CAT Members > > > Has anyone used the Optima Discount? How much of a discount did you get > off > the Optima website price? > > Summit sells Optima batteries and are listed for a lot lower price than > what > is advertised on the Optima website. Just wondering if the "Discount" > offered > to CAT members make the price better than what you can buy it elsewhere > for. > > > > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 10:09:05 +1000 > > From: michael king > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? > > Message-ID: > > > ET8snXG7JZnVBzE0FL4f00LcVdhFBtxDSr66eAfU_+9++_jQg@mail.gmail.com>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > IIRC CAT have a discount for members on the Optima batteries.. they are > > great and dont leak! > _______________________________________________ > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tcprager@hotmail.com< > http://auto > x.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tcprager@hotmail.com> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 13:16:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FFC43077 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:16:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E82542FF2 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:09:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.57] by nm22.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 19:04:44 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.192] by tm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 19:04:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1000.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 19:04:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 31029 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2013 19:04:44 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370286283; bh=8Js6Kx6rzmLGRYEyARwzhvqNZx74M0pbwGn+JY5m0UI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Z2mPwrWnQtuqJZ/gkFY17SGtYkiYdrkak+/I9h5S3iBJOThBMr0ZvQwNAek7Gkbxt317bf78Fw67tdtH+Ao36K6vj7aPuuKJfvSeBAt/szD9x6Q+o7OlrUjR/GANRfiDH2Of2wnBpW/9xb6KP7FSCaxlnglJkRhwPZWiiQaDEDY=; .nmNye2wT5wwZlkj0zcFmdQjkybsjx7LYwN6EzEIjQPcFCdxZeyWDXWL2UUf w3Ds5mKCP8CyLTrLxZuS6b42njGemdmie8cgazb3MYyuYLalMdyGGxfpZLOe cw7lkR_BxnWgIYJAIvX5a9eTxerf3svveXqsWW3o9dew6dxNXJ3iMYA8FiGt R.NduyjgvreTa40NRhCEfoo4qwj5mijg8kq0LiEwzu5c8xBMRr9aPY.ytwYk LmxiL2ndOIa_RvQ95_l7DLp3WJnjYZz.dptQ.YoVBuMhXUL_bQpMlbFdErU_ jXAylBIIQZhOTsdpprH_1LVRZ0uHmOZkpG9l0IKHQy4VMx.OkP0ey1UrG1bZ raYXmhDe3AyMDndwbKg9XfcMkdBtzfjWSPaZpAInjKdTOhWgg47booXjAOES DigmpeJYr85vWmbnUY0vcqhzRXsdjVmKJMxT.wbiJrkhS8Lg4K8vO7HBpBkE FKaqMbm2lyFRswnARjDLeGWFSr5QD8pqu3bz3p.LiVZTC Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 12:04:43 PDT DQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQpUaGlzIGlzIHNvbXRoaW5nIHRoYXQgSSBoYWQgZm9yZ290dGVuIHRpbGwgSSBwdXJjaGFzZWQgYSBuZXcgVm9sdGFnZSBSZWd1bGF0b3IgZHVyaW5nIG15IHJlc3RvcmF0aW9uLi4NCsKgDQpFdmVyeSB0aW1lIHlvdSBkaXNjb25uZWN0IGVpdGhlciB5b3VyIHBvc2l0aXZlIG9yIG5lZ2F0aXZlIGJhdHRlcnkgdGVybWluYWwgYW5kIHlvdSBydW4gYSBnZW5lcmF0b3Igd2l0aCBhIHZvbHRhZ2UgcmVndWxhdG9yLCB5b3UgYXJlIHJlcXVpcmVkIHRvIHBvbGFyaXplIHRoZSByZWcBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:04:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Polarize Regulator - FYI Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is somthing that I had forgotten till I purchased a new Voltage Regulator during my restoration.. Every time you disconnect either your positive or negative battery terminal and you run a generator with a voltage regulator, you are required to polarize the regulator. Instructions received with new regulator: Caution: Follow these instructions exactly. Disconnect the wire at the regulator terminal marked FLD. Momentarily (no longer than 2 seconds) touch the wire to the BAT terminal. There may be a brief spark: this is normal. Reconnect the wire to the field (FLD) terminal Start vehicle and check charging system for proper operation. Just in case the brain leak kicks in - FYI Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 13:53:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C89942F93 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:53:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B5040043 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Cobra (173-228-106-127.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.106.127]) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with SMTP id r53Jn1wx029959; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:49:01 -0700 From: "csx2282" To: References: Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:49:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I was able to fixed a leaky accelerator pump on my Holley by replacing the diaphragm. I didn't even have to remove the carb. Roland ------------------------------ > From: Jay Laifman > > On the flip side, I noticed that the Holley is dripping gas out the > bottom, > from what looks like an accelerator pump. Looks like the carb needs to > come > out to service it. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 14:06:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE9F43154 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 14:06:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f181.google.com (mail-ie0-f181.google.com [209.85.223.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E044403F3 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 14:06:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f181.google.com with SMTP id x14so11285771ief.26 for ; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 13:01:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=RsnIkwweNejOCsbezsse3wmrUJNn09UAIyZAFwdZXrg=; b=pj8HNSWpp3vDOLi+VoavD+WChXwGZeTiNcT/IU/CMcxy/VuSniEluhGAyGy9n7lGmJ PIdkKChd8+hKyyyJVY4bGm9tZ/MPZ9F7m9weGN3Ua7xD1giwEfsMZK+ROpLQkXuirMBY 62g/NICRdUGRMjAdyXZ98fcWfooMcUqu1/XjZEPPP1qsUKbmHq5sfBKeL87iTHFzvoxT nn71zDxssZ5AuHa6+btd3weQGgkdNiWOCtCYfXR8v5TGQCAvu7ozPJh19GlxSCYGvDWE j8jXsCzgMKzsbxpCp+hOdXQGhWrL8Th/ah4yDCXQCL8PZaVz8PbCbkBO8Lizj/aB1rOe zIzw== kl1mr8742418igb.46.1370289713483; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 13:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.108.6 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:01:53 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:01:53 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: csx2282 Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Seriously? I had my fingers in there with a very stubby phillips screwdriver and couldn't get leverage on the one screw I could get to. I gave up figuring if I couldn't do that one, the three inside were going to be impossible. I'm going to have to look again and see if I can get my allen key type phillips screw driver in there. Jay On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:49 PM, csx2282 wrote: > I was able to fixed a leaky accelerator pump on my Holley by replacing the > diaphragm. I didn't even have to remove the carb. > > Roland > > ------------------------------ > >> From: Jay Laifman >> >> On the flip side, I noticed that the Holley is dripping gas out the >> bottom, >> from what looks like an accelerator pump. Looks like the carb needs to >> come >> out to service it. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 14:52:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8609043CA7 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 14:52:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.114]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167B44311A for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 14:52:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm21.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 20:48:11 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.45] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 20:48:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 20:48:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370292491; bh=pOfb9D1SEZl5DS5t1FmJKFpN8prMJW6XB0GtZVR1bh4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5p4SJh11rvAFm6GeVQAIbLLpnrtGPc2ND6QFaEBrq/rHMkdkN6kUUYCyA8ov9s3qudfOJTl9q5sRqida6SX4lAb3cpS03ZgsZFiaPeIoLPQXsHv6wyvV9hds62nQEYlioNh/PvDPBOUxxCbV8oUUEUcty+WjW0fQ4rzqy9sAUuU= oddXogJeoD5NPlGCoRrfF.NhhXDnGQfEVg0Ci61JSkZmLOW08uSPU4xl9rGx CeMdfS0ZJxcJ8KqdB6hT.9xUGCFDJwKJ0P.lwCLgeaKw6nSaotTCqw2z695G nlo96xC1vzFQU6r2CAxoahOEzuG9NJ6c16BdJSoiLSRzZ6l32_4hS5.cyQGg WRl.vVj2y2nDyKxercsY21oa6ndNq4RxR05aTVlQ4vXvShHKP7WuJwaSoiwE sZ7GzxN2vvt5ekBoqI_cSTxPIwELAlY_ajOzS1E24gDxjKFWijaFgZ1ed5Q0 lAVyi05zEydd.YcV.Lm9oiVcaxwTPQziDYQ8fnqqm6McgRWL6Uphe55p7gwa svi898K5dNj2P3XiPaytIaFwOFC4EuwU3rokOBTG9lS.CsznbZzchmTsP_PD 82Sv_rboAqls51o87sWOncQhEirGIoI1nI5N0EzyO2w_GXKOxG2Bjc24cSdX jHmzs8vAx6yUZ1NuY6EdEPNmfwQHnOV2MnMmT smtp113.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jun 2013 13:48:11 -0700 PDT Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 15:48:24 -0500 From: TtT To: Jay Laifman , csx2282 Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay ...do a search on a toolset called CHAPMAN...it's tiny ratchet that uses screw drivers and allen wrenches about 3/4" long. I got mine from coal miners, as the set is sometimes the only tool a person can get into a tight place. I use stainless allen head bolts on my headers and torque them using my Chapman set. I have stripped one of the two ratcheys trying for extra torque but I knew better than using a cheater on them.Highly reccomend all Tiger owners buy a set!!!! Sent from Huawei Mobile Jay Laifman wrote: >Seriously? > >I had my fingers in there with a very stubby phillips screwdriver and >couldn't get leverage on the one screw I could get to. I gave up figuring >if I couldn't do that one, the three inside were going to be impossible. > >I'm going to have to look again and see if I can get my allen key type >phillips screw driver in there. > >Jay > > >On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:49 PM, csx2282 wrote: > >> I was able to fixed a leaky accelerator pump on my Holley by replacing the >> diaphragm. I didn't even have to remove the carb. >> >> Roland >> >> ------------------------------ >> >>> From: Jay Laifman >>> >>> On the flip side, I noticed that the Holley is dripping gas out the >>> bottom, >>> from what looks like an accelerator pump. Looks like the carb needs to >>> come >>> out to service it. >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 16:23:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3ED144239 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:23:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FC243394 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:20:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id js6A1l0020cQ2SLAFyG528; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 22:16:05 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jyG41l0142xZMJ48WyG4B9; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 22:16:05 +0000 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 22:16:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: tigers@autox.team.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1370297765; bh=lkbh5yY0dWfEyQLC2V6bDq6LXmHt+bXJM5eMc5PxDvI=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=L/YClqgpkSKuq+onYZssKNvoNZURkNFAIpmwCRQ02hpbPanGNbA84QbgaH+zYGuax 1m79GSXusIsBbpjpimKQE6BIjvV1ZAL6YqSn4xiBVEcNvDvoLhOjpPKtmS4ohBBLeA xGBcs6HIkJNHPpgqYNA2n0XpzSJAbd1NsYViemvHdHqjV1xAXCVIF5wl0+FFagVGOg Vc6OLubA7PR530whyULQovI8RnfVr/eZU7bTiPxw0Zn3j3JYeOQBgeYRyIDxA4NWLp 2T/KZvX3udtQWgeBpPe4AyCiLar9LpOXfkkw2DXZkMDRu//62UlVSn5JdFFJZh4Dju lNNl3DpnXcYLg== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, Are you sure? I've had blown diaphrams but don't think they ever leaked. But, I've had plenty of Holley leaks from the fuel bowls and just last week from the adjustable float adjuster. Fuel will drip off the lowest point (accelerator pump) but the leak usually is from above. Gary ------------------------------ > From: Jay Laifman > > On the flip side, I noticed that the Holley is dripping gas out the > bottom, > from what looks like an accelerator pump. Looks like the carb needs to > come > out to service it. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 16:26:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1769844241 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:26:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A466643D0A for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id f13so3040517vbg.13 for ; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 15:21:34 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=fEis92CJnN+Y0nZUCCVHvqfqRPDjftFTHVcjpBTLtrg=; b=oEgabVGrcRkCkna4kdV3aMCi+/u2Mh3dZKaJJkQwf+wulCqo964XPYFFqDi628d4nk j0XimoXEnouv9VsDu+JGJT8p8Fxt0Zcp/YDzNiwcC4TDtzHOKHtbXXZN01bIyP2CEmCe 11ZC9yWesXvTYJMVLYZXiPrDIhO5WZzx3ARte3GpFCgEtuUFbxt6748/ps8cyVfYC4CA XaC+fM415fqMXavmWXJIY62oToEtd7MPJUlYBUuXtu1DwboeyitogXZcaa9SUCPfE9fF 29Q0tohnz1TUveMrjsBLCIWXAcXKj4Uc4ZNkQF9C+LyWN6Hnoc7uNnljhnV2OyEebHLz 5yqQ== c11mr14800302vdh.18.1370298094692; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 15:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 15:21:34 -0700 (PDT) References: <1709376318.2636508.1370297764739.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 15:21:34 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Gary Winblad Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It sure looks like it. I will agree that it's at the bottom and could be from elsewhere. I don't see any tracks, and it seemed pretty obvious when the car was running. I have seen a lot of comments on line that it is a recurring problem on Holleys, especially with the old black pumps rather than the new green ones that are resistant to alcohol issues. But, I'm game to look for something else being the cause. I'll take a look again before pulling it off and apart. Jay On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Gary Winblad wrote: > Jay, > Are you sure? I've had blown diaphrams but don't think they ever leaked. > But, I've had plenty of Holley leaks from the fuel bowls and just last > week from > the adjustable float adjuster. Fuel will drip off the lowest point > (accelerator > pump) but the leak usually is from above. > Gary > ------------------------------ > > From: Jay Laifman > > > > On the flip side, I noticed that the Holley is dripping gas out the > > bottom, > > from what looks like an accelerator pump. Looks like the carb needs to > > come > > out to service it. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 18:29:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4300244288 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 18:29:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BAB44241 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 18:28:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r540KZoY023547; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:24:31 -0700 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 401893cd) id dm0225.5192ebb2.26b911; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:24:26 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jay Laifman'" Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 20:24:15 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5gqLp/FnAyyVCIT4uRYJ8l+1TYwAADjI5A engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-03_07:2013-06-03,2013-06-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1306030227 Cc: 'Tiger's Den' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay You make a good point about alcohol in the fuel. We should all be vigilant about fuel line problems that the alcohol can create. Many of the gaskets in our carburetors do not always interact well with alcohol. It is best to fix the minor problems now and not have a major problem later. I had to replace a fuel pump last year due to the bellows in that fuel pump had deteriorated and was spitting out little black specks. Thankfully it gave up in my garage while I was checking the fuel system for the lack of performance my engine was exhibiting. I'm blaming it on the alcohol but that pump was at least 10 years old. I was also told that make fuel pump had issues with the bellows before there was alcohol in the fuel. I also replaced the 30 year old flex junction in the fuel line even though it looked fine. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 6:22 PM To: Gary Winblad Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? It sure looks like it. I will agree that it's at the bottom and could be from elsewhere. I don't see any tracks, and it seemed pretty obvious when the car was running. I have seen a lot of comments on line that it is a recurring problem on Holleys, especially with the old black pumps rather than the new green ones that are resistant to alcohol issues. But, I'm game to look for something else being the cause. I'll take a look again before pulling it off and apart. Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 18:30:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAD5442B8 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 18:30:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC6E44241 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 18:30:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 17so12505711iea.31 for ; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 17:25:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=m4f+9Kxdu6z1y3P39AgwjpBwPz1EZM4dGb0od1/vtSI=; b=iyuxMvS10JNxFdAgqpnjKaRG441d3YxaiKbnWMTN4zBfFVQ0MiUXzq39t9bOUPh62k IV8PiAXcEDZFaYu9VTy70iQOCuoa75J2v4X9rdUXCAaxE0Zu0wnSPmPSI24iCWs/9oYu p0V+6Bd2u1pNTtHSRoXUl6MVL8cbwTLKPGRSm+cou3aLwnzwYLZ9QE4Oxrfhg7qKmMvZ CKppgsRLuK/hC9tM3Ff6waz4kxwYM87jEUSn3FgP9pgb70UnbXAWVoXYWPej5nk01kCt Bxk/qr5woNzsEFbml2pb1/rdzzZ27Q4TbQjVF/zCiWZfv8pyTLZcmSenTx5EfdBMsD/Z jt+g== Mon, 03 Jun 2013 17:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.91.135 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:25:48 +1000 From: michael king To: rtscolgan@yahoo.com Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: [Tigers] Tiger value Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >Was it a regular tiger ? Are tigers finally catching on? Would appreciate > any come back on it. Thank you. Russ There was a red MKI that passed in at auction not that long ago for $110K IIRC. The car was a MKI with LAT 9 pie cutters and red stripe tyres, it was a "low mileage" car which had an external respray. The car had popped up on craigs list a while back.. appeared at a dealer shortly after.. then went to the auction. i think the car you might be referring to was the red MKI with silverstone wheels that Dale restored and appeared in an article not that long ago. Car was a fresh concourse resto and i believe went in the 120 range.. as dale put it got an offer he couldnt turn down.. someone really wanted the car. As for overall values.. there is a lot of range.. some good cars going cheap and some rough ones going expensive. There are lots of tarted up tigers out there that are being spruked around for top car money.. i think the general trend is upwards, but the spikes and falls are quite wide. I think currently any Tiger that is over 70k should be a very nice example with no issues, there will come a time when that will buy you an average car.. but not for a while. But them to enjoy them.. you cant lose money if you dont sell it! :-0 -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 18:30:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E0C44245 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 18:30:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc3-s4.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc3-s4.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD9444248 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 18:30:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-W23 ([65.55.34.135]) by col0-omc3-s4.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:26:02 -0700 From: steve wick To: Jay Laifman , csx2282 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:26:01 -0700 References: , , FILETIME=[17F99820:01CE60BA] Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I must be missing something. Why not just remove the bowl? The old accelerator pumps blow out so easy, I used to keep bowl gaskets and diaphragms on hand and would change them in about 15 minutes. Use a plastic rattle can cap under one of the bottom screws when you pull it out to catch the gas. Steve in N. Id. > Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:01:53 -0700 > From: jay.laifman@gmail.com > To: csx2282@sonic.net > CC: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? > > Seriously? > > I had my fingers in there with a very stubby phillips screwdriver and > couldn't get leverage on the one screw I could get to. I gave up figuring > if I couldn't do that one, the three inside were going to be impossible. > > I'm going to have to look again and see if I can get my allen key type > phillips screw driver in there. > > Jay > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:49 PM, csx2282 wrote: > > > I was able to fixed a leaky accelerator pump on my Holley by replacing the > > diaphragm. I didn't even have to remove the carb. > > > > Roland > > > > ------------------------------ > > > >> From: Jay Laifman > >> > >> On the flip side, I noticed that the Holley is dripping gas out the > >> bottom, > >> from what looks like an accelerator pump. Looks like the carb needs to > >> come > >> out to service it. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/srwick@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 20:48:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1457E44255 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 20:48:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADEA44248 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 20:42:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Cobra (173-228-106-127.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.106.127]) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with SMTP id r542baRN018821; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 19:37:36 -0700 From: "csx2282" To: "tigers" References: Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 19:37:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Gary has a good point. When I first started driving my car after an engine rebuild, which included a professional carburetor rebuild, it leaked like crazy. It turned out that the bowl mounting screws were too loose. Tightening them solved the problem. In Jay's case, with a little detective work, it should be easy to verify whether or not it's the accelerator pump. Regarding my accelerator pump leakage problem, it was indeed a bad diaphragm. But this was just the final chapter in series of fuel leaks, most likely caused by the ethanol gas additive here in California. During the rebuild I had installed stainless steel braded AN6 Earls fuel lines. After about five years, these lines began leaking when whatever the inner material was made of started deteriorating. I solved that problem by replacing the lines with stainless steel braded Teflon lines. At least I hope I did! Roland --------------------------------------------------------------- > From: Gary Winblad > Jay, > Are you sure? I've had blown diaphrams but don't think they ever leaked. > But, I've had plenty of Holley leaks from the fuel bowls and just last > week from > the adjustable float adjuster. Fuel will drip off the lowest point > (accelerator > pump) but the leak usually is from above. > Gary > ------------------------------ >> From: Jay Laifman >> >> On the flip side, I noticed that the Holley is dripping gas out the >> bottom, >> from what looks like an accelerator pump. Looks like the carb needs to >> come >> out to service it. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 22:23:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1457E44310 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 22:23:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0B74322A for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 22:23:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 04:19:07 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.254] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 04:19:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1067.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 04:19:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 91813 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2013 04:19:07 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370319547; bh=0rGVPswfF0x04B2yuKcW31xzYz1rojgbwjspbq9EQO8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EApEZd/srdB3MhnDiVB0s0fj6UH7kxDjJYiWEbaRlvs0ueBxkwtwrT66XJSlkK5ojDK9cTtrmJJxirMDK1MRUWVT9cGaBVeByMOesyZR1YmN3GFO1DvWe6h8QR0u3YRMFtR0wwt+s9U7vrpKgnioS3am2jIrMQL4OKj7TfwzeV0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bZhTy/cB4Bgg6N+AMXoKCWx5M3SoSUvEAAaFjrziEkyNKaBlsMf8sBaDKRFKdx5fAA1WCey4drTl3Tin1hNbg49fseS96P5Wr254BgSjgqIl6LGisUbaX9cqI2KbjzT+IVMqx53B0/ddiYxFqBjDJSbOqHh3f0wQwupeApvaVWs=; knxO4w8Emx_6qny68MKEZFej.flFQ1S8_2FvqHBGgKjvWG68zwRdK4Q5DChz NeXrxDx5YbSZXnQMMk3wPlluje_CSaC9pCho8KsIM5gGpiAHjG9cn_uAdyFf LVWR6VtrVU7hdKLYz8fm0O86K4Gw1SIopovAGCxTATinr4VKVqcRTxIIJks9 zvWoEuiEYcgoHe79qsPoEG0tXO3OcHNdRyX9Vr_R6kbuqPrqF7L5UcTvajMx oZFZVlnb2J961b2dW8Rrin8Ig5_0urubgM.w_sT59B_hXEchaZuxVfcuBPui 3Pn1EdZkNE7gJPGP.w2PzkCLYzNgGPU7FqjFaDGd1TO8vvIqmGCV5bmFrqP5 75kikThgw0eHoj4v4qZIoDqnjrZj.BLj_k0Hi9n4SbCMvR5LcdPZYxjVyhcM EEckBuw7vAFrHhE5wObl33Hy9cY21Nes5Pli_FITfadK2wqI1UC2KEKEpS73 PhzkXkYSSNYH7uY_l.RbzzyrcJA6DEG84j8OkC4I_VlbbXiX7PrF8MCDWaYi ojxjPuULbi8Rq6flWeJdUw_DujXn3fRDhKClAcKkHWkEg5NJ3eXDmVPwkYJ2 Qig-- Received: from [72.29.162.82] by web141101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 21:19:07 PDT SSB3b3VsZCBhcHByZWNpYXRlIGhlbHAgaWRlbnRpZnlpbmcgdGhlIHBhcnQgcGljdHVyZWQgaW4gdGhlIGxpbmsgYmVsb3cuIE9uZSByZXNpZGVzIG9uIG15IGNhciAoYW5kIGl0cyBtYXRjaGluZyBwYWlyIHNpdHMgbG9vc2UgaW4gYSBwYXJ0cyBib3gpLiBPbmUgaXMgaW5zdGFsbGVkIGluIGNvbmp1bmN0aW9uIHdpdGggb25lIG9mIHRoZSBzcHJpbmcgbG9hZGVkIHNsaWRpbmcgZmluZ2VycyBvbiB0aGUgYmFjayBzaWRlIG9mIHRoZSBjZW50ZXIgcmVhciBwYW5lbCB3aGljaCBob3VzZXMgdGhlIHNvZnQgdG8BMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:19:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Packer To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Mk I Part ID? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I would appreciate help identifying the part pictured in the link below. One resides on my car (and its matching pair sits loose in a parts box). One is installed in conjunction with one of the spring loaded sliding fingers on the back side of the center rear panel which houses the soft top. Presumably it could somehow help keep the cloth top from tangling with the sliding finger. But the spacing of its mounting holes would permit mounting in other places, so I'm not sure it belongs in its current location. It is about 3 inches in overall length and I didn't see it pictured in the PDF parts lists. So I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who can clarify what this part does, where it should be mounted and in what orientation. It would be ideal if you can send a photo of its correct installation. Thanks for any assistance Terry Packer 9470018 http://picturepush.com/public/13227469 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 07:20:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7A24439F for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 07:20:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.128]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894F244378 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 07:19:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.55] by nm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 13:15:27 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.218] by tm15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 13:15:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 13:15:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 13875 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2013 13:15:27 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370351727; bh=mP/N/i/a2BatWFnXTte123G84ps88/7GwNIiCB38wkI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ifJT2GUtiu70hwGHcRtwpWVXjdeK6cUBFSgi0pS6UtLcF3NBeFewTJKuqWfzWTBvttNwPpd0sPr4dIQfGRvzH4HmV604pxBZVtR00H53YQLXrEgBKPEgKea1tRHNQ8nrpJ1evUVRghWZPl56mY9VdB361SM06oEXzwn+/L4ARRQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4S9/zb4cpYEH5LCPcoEoo+xVosm60j8TmsNRVwi7KMWpSDlxfH2V3rTlgsTN34LrEGQNFeyAo6Brko51aDVlMGgAxBmiSuC4DpP+G4vZ/m43Ie/vy+Tx89rx5AyCZxKuYBPSpXWygiKAZ8CT6HR4ybZ+6zTMFdRKo/CTJVp11Jk=; KZsz7wnPo_IXp4Uxj9KnG04kpyiQDm4qmP5pesW0MAegtWqXlvKj.WsQERSd DTWL3A_A3htkcxxh6mJdRY1.Idzuetf2DWbbl0hzqXG11WeYQ_q5jMmO0sWV G_XdHjttCDd95XusndrdQLffKgqSHPWHMZFac8KFsa1j5y.jsVNW77fDbexn POdJHqn9DzgQ4gb1znP7Nb5xSXf1XB9sjdiGQQ0IOyE0ItBd8jWpipWkYkPw p8jrutkgKJWCFN2LEo9AvLV9qiTOPQnQuz4T7MZpdNpLzsC9AdMfvpP2m5Sx 1pPx_FdUeY1ff5SYDVsqGyO1TZN7zHA196MPehTV9KmKXRqdvH8cmXcU1GCK OVGBkxBXjmu.BWGNrSDS57r_MBKJ_KFejfJJlItLchMtSwtYwQxrRuF1MKmq DE1hf5skjIttty.SWiXwqQAnFQA_I6E3kRoOm21Bodq7OwfkSypjbEwlfasC ffcs_5UFwmfTMjfIUsnGsHd6I53u4vVD5N9nhahLt_Lg- Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 06:15:27 PDT RG9lcyBhbnlvbmUgaGF2ZSBhIHNvdXJjZSB0byBzZWN1cmUgdGhlIGNvcnJlY3QgJ3YnIHN0eWxlLCBJIGJlbGlldmUgdGhleSBhcmUgY2FsbGVkLCBUaWdlciBnYXVnZSBiZXplbHMsIGdsYXNzIGFuZCBPIHJpbmdzIGZvciB0aGUgZmFjZSBvZiBvdXIgZ2F1Z2VzP8KgIEkgd291bGQgbGlrZSB0byBwcmV0dHkgdXAgdGhlIGdhdWdlIGZhY2VzLsKgIFRoZXkgYXJlIGN1cnJlbnRseSBmaXR0ZWQgdG8gb2xkIHBsYXN0aWMgQWxwaW5lIGRhc2ggd2l0aG91dCBnbG92ZSBib3ggc2lkZSB0byBzZWUgaWYgdGhleSABMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 06:15:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have a source to secure the correct 'v' style, I believe they are called, Tiger gauge bezels, glass and O rings for the face of our gauges? I would like to pretty up the gauge faces. They are currently fitted to old plastic Alpine dash without glove box side to see if they work and complete install of new wiring harness. Costs are getting out of hand and will only send the ones that do not work, out for repair. Was there a O ring on the back of the guage to protect the wood dash when fitted? Regards Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 08:17:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9460443C1 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:17:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A3D44387 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:10:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY172-W6 ([65.54.190.187]) by bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 4 Jun 2013 07:05:30 -0700 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Joel Martin , Tigers Den Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:05:29 -0400 References: <1370351727.13839.YahooMailClassic@web164702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> FILETIME=[923DC4E0:01CE612C] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net You get get them from... Auto Electric Spares (http://www.autoelectricalspares.co.uk) and MJC Products (http://www.classicbezels.com/)...both in the U.K. Also both sell on ebay...which is the best way to deal with them. AES is username "djmalm1" and MJC is username "mjcprod" MJC has a kit (bezel, glass, o-ring and nuts)...see auction #310352405950 I just bought some from MJC last week. For a general search you need to use "Smiths" or "Jeager" and read the auction description carefully to get the full V bezels. Good Luck, Paul > Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 06:15:27 -0700 > From: jmartiniii@yahoo.com > To: Tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings > > Does anyone have a source to secure the correct 'v' style, I believe they are > called, Tiger gauge bezels, glass and O rings for the face of our gauges? I > would like to pretty up the gauge faces. They are currently fitted to old > plastic Alpine dash without glove box side to see if they work and complete > install of new wiring harness. Costs are getting out of hand and will only > send the ones that do not work, out for repair. > > Was there a O ring on the back of the guage to protect the wood dash when > fitted? > > Regards > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/prbreuhan@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 10:38:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A45B4272F for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:38:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mx04.gis.net (mx04.gis.net [208.218.130.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A3F443D5 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:36:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.130.20]) by mx04.gis.net; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 12:32:12 -0400 From: "rande@thecia.net" To: Joel Martin Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 12:32:13 -0400 Priority: normal Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Does anyone have a source to secure the correct 'v' style, I believe > they are called, Tiger gauge bezels, glass and O rings for the face of > our gauges? I would like to pretty up the gauge faces. They are > currently fitted to old plastic Alpine dash without glove box side to > see if they work and complete install of new wiring harness. Costs > are getting out of hand and will only send the ones that do not work, > out for repair. > > Was there a O ring on the back of the guage to protect the wood dash > when fitted? > > Regards > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rande@thecia.net > > DASH/GAUGE O-RING PRICE LIST May 2004 These O-rings can be used to refurbish standard Smith/Jaeger gauges as found in British classic cars. Sizes shown are the gauge body behind the bezel. Standard, Original, and Durable sets are only different in the dash-to-gauge O-rings. Determine if your gauge has metal ring under the glass in which case it needs three rings (Jaeger style). Standard rings have a round cross-sectioned rubber O-ring for the dash-to-gauge. This set is suitable for dashes that do not have the gauges "proud" and just require damping. Also used where the gauges are recessed such as on 77-80 MGBs, or when using wood overlays. Original rings have the square sectioned dash-to-gauge O-rings made in rubber, as were the originals. Suitable for concours cars. Durable rings have rectangular cross-sectioned polyurethane dash-to-gauge O-rings for durability and high finish. They are also suitable for concours as they are rectangular sectioned with a high finish. There were some variations (more common with Jaeger gauges) in the bezel sizes so check that your bezel-to-glass ring (the thickest one) fits in the chrome bezel. If it does not clamp down correctly another size may be required. Larger Jaeger gauges usually have a third O-ring between the dial and glass which is difficult to spot. To see if your gauge has a third O-ring make sure you get the glass out completely (and carefully) from the gauge. The paper washers as used in some gauges are not included. Postage is included - except for orders below $10 for which add $2. Round up order to nearest dollar. Payment by cash or money order. The preferred method is to enclose dollar notes in writing paper and mail just as a letter. Do not forget to put your address with the order! Inquire for other sizes but refer to size and make of gauge and NOT to car model. Some differences exist between certain models so if you want to be sure send bits of your old rings if you wish. STANDARD US Cdn ORIGINAL US Cdn DURABLE US Cdn 52mm Smith or Jaeger Gauge-to-dash Glass-to-bezel Complete 2 piece Dash & Bezel kit $1.00 $2.00 $3.00 $1.50 $2.50 $4.00 $2.00 $2.00 $4.00 $2.50 $2.50 $5.00 $2.00 $2.00 $4.00 $2.50 $2.50 $5.00 80mm Smith or Jaeger Gauge-to-dash Glass-to-bezel Complete 2 piece Dash & Bezel kit $1.50 $2.50 $4.00 $2.00 $3.00 $5.00 $3.00 $2.50 $5.50 $5.00 $3.00 $8.00 $3.00 $2.50 $5.50 $5.00 $3.00 $8.00 100mm Smith Gauge-to-dash Glass-to-bezel Complete 2 piece Dash & Bezel kit $2.00 $3.00 $5.00 $2.50 $3.50 $6.00 $3.00 $3.00 $6.00 $4.00 $4.00 $8.00 $3.00 $3.00 $6.00 $4.00 $4.00 $8.00 100mm Jaeger Gauge-to-dash Glass-to-bezel Inner dial Complete 3 piece Dash & Bezel kit $2.00 $3.00 $3.00 $8.00 $2.50 $3.50 $3.50 $9.50 $3.00 $3.00 $3.00 $9.00 $3.50 $4.00 $3.50 $11.00 $3.00 $3.00 $3.00 $9.00 $3.50 $4.00 $3.50 $11.00 120mm Smith or Jaeger Dash only $5.00 $7.00 $5.00 $7.00 $5.00 $7.00 RETAINER WASHERS FOR DZUS FASTENERS as used on the MGB battery box cover PRICE US$3 for six Includes postage For further information contact; Barrie Robinson, 172 Taylor Drive, Barrie, Ontario. Canada, L4N 8L1 Tel (705) 721-9060 Email barrie@look.ca IMPORTANT: Joel, the pricing is from 2004, You may want to contact Barrie for 2013 prices and shipping. To answer personally one of your questions, My Tiger 1A had seals between the gauges and the wood instrument panel _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 10:41:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8654441C for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s26.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s26.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8724041B for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:41:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY175-W25 ([65.54.190.189]) by bay0-omc3-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:37:00 -0700 From: Karl Adey To: The LIST Post Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 12:37:00 -0400 FILETIME=[BCAF59E0:01CE6141] Subject: [Tigers] Parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm getting to the end of my search for needed parts and won't be needing to bother the list anymore. That being said, does anyone have: Brake and Clutch pedal return spring Cups. ie Workshop Manual Pg K-19, Fig 9 part #8. I need two. A window regulator cog mechanism. Transfers the force from the handle to the large gear. Thanks,Karl _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 10:53:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722C644478 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:53:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f171.google.com (mail-vc0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87186430E5 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:51:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id m16so359687vca.16 for ; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 09:47:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ssWINq9O8q5DTwL+0efuYOGLx7ehef+t1XAr+A0P/n8=; b=SEY8/LiNeir7GTbOE7MWsvmismxXvVyzbVAAXHd+p2ZSRayIYvcnED2SQhp+YXo9zW EbAYWvBNT36rO6v3P1brKwkOdh2uVeX9VW8hk7pdMCZxBcbQSWVyS3FQmUj1+ahFJaZV 1VJGYlSsLqhsXbvO3cFp2kz2r2rwWULa3/jpVJpBlsce8HGuOPpWnkR8euAN5NxqwCId H+Axv4rWQmvT2krorszeXOYdmxraW+lTxYNHK/1gzbwgRcWqyMwt9dPaIdZaocfpjuxk seVWnC/EUw1A9+XYGOYznvDJPZSXYKGesFAovBPS9xR2Wkba5JPiKqsW/rfCM9UMMbyk 7vEw== c11mr15960078vdh.18.1370364421066; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 09:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:47:00 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: [Tigers] Carb Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the help. To clarify, some of you suggested the accelerator pump was easier to get at than others. It seems there are two Holleys, and the older one is easier to get to. But, as others indicated, even on the new one, it's easy enough to pull the float bowl cover and get at the accelerator pump. I just called Holley. I ordered their basic rebuild kit. He suggested that the accelerator pump diaphram can get hard and crack from just sitting (which this car has done for way too long - mind you, I told my dad countless times I wanted him to get up and out and drive the car to the ground). He suggested that other rubber gaskets that come in the kit should probably be replaced too. So, I'll probably just pull the carb entirely and go at it. Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 11:09:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFB044468 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:09:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txofep01.suddenlink.net (txofep01.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C92643194 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Roscrea ([74.196.108.150]) by txofep01.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.01.08 201-2343-100-153-20121108) with ESMTP id <20130604165729.VQER30569.txofep01.suddenlink.net@Roscrea> for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:57:29 -0500 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "Tiger Autox" References: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:57:32 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIJT6IhWsPGKbOogjY+atnyEr57OQHVL8cYmKE+cOA= Content-Language: en-us cv=xGd+3R4YEoif1yDCP3iI4FQ10ArTR87gcpeKPZcKSLw= c=1 sm=0 a=EppXQS9wk6wA:10 a=xzW3HwPJiLYA:10 a=VPHkNMUpP2kA:10 a=yhzT3RzbAAAA:8 a=DLMqv_AC9KQJLy31_iUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=G6qOjRfik5osGR5FBpYA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=44Ns9lTWgsxRtI9m:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Martha and the Vandellas at the Dearborn Assembly Plant - 1965 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net OK, sorry to bomb the Tiger group with this, BUT, it is a 1965 video of the Vandellas singing (you do remember them??) at Dearborn, MI while a 1965 Mustang is being assembled. I've put many engines in Mustangs, but never this fast!! Nice to have the right equipment! Jerry Christopherson 9473187 Subject: Martha and the Vandellas at the Dearborn Assembly Plant - 1965 Enjoy! http://jalopnik.com/5965632/this-old-motown-video-was-shot-on-a-running-must ang-assembly-line _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 14:50:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B06140425 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:50:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F81B400A4 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130604204540.XWGP31063.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:45:40 -0400 Received: from eastrmwml207 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id kLlg1l00d4h0NJL01Llgpw; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 16:45:40 -0400 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:17 a=C_1ChkmeP8EA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=UyHOC7Gu_PIA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=90Yp_wkgteMA:10 a=8LaAqv5HAAAA:8 a=yhzT3RzbAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=bF2O7uN9XyLDRf0Q-t8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=gPGHqaX6uacA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 204.61.12.74 by webmail.east.cox.net; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:45:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:45:40 -0400 From: To: Tiger Autox , Jerry Mo Christopherson Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: Martha and the Vandellas at the Dearborn Assembly Plant - 1965 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jerry: Now, THAT'S cool!!!!! I've never seen that before!! Thanks for passing it on!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ---- Jerry Mo Christopherson wrote: > OK, sorry to bomb the Tiger group with this, BUT, it is a 1965 video of the > Vandellas singing (you do remember them??) at Dearborn, MI while a 1965 > Mustang is being assembled. I've put many engines in Mustangs, but never > this fast!! Nice to have the right equipment! > > > > Jerry Christopherson > > 9473187 > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Martha and the Vandellas at the Dearborn Assembly Plant - 1965 > > > > > Enjoy! > > > > > > > tang-assembly-line> > http://jalopnik.com/5965632/this-old-motown-video-was-shot-on-a-running-must > ang-assembly-line > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 15:37:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17E242868 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 15:37:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D47A340453 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 15:34:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A4823700000A6; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqd003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.9]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 71922E000087; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:29:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:29:42 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370381382; bh=NatKG3yiB5L1YuydeMAAiGfDws+5N0mnzy8MZa1jQUg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gJ+PYVo1oxx/5M5T/lHk4uaXfFioj6oCids9ZXCnHzawJve73e+/PPyU9gDn30wat Vs/havJlhiNEPhUMryCbuTIm3j69NQVMG9QiosUdcIk6O+ncKh05tz0PNavMq7wtZi g/5vk3AzYVLoKU75haG0tWSOH4j7vM6kcdoSg37U= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d51ae5c465f62 Cc: onegonefish@comcast.net, todbrown@roadrunner.com Subject: [Tigers] video : birth of the original Mustang Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Very interesting video 'Birth of the original Mustang' see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_JDe7u7SWY Jim Armstrong _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 08:07:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327B540524 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 08:07:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mx04.gis.net (mx04.gis.net [208.218.130.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA5440417 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 08:05:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thecia.net ([208.218.130.20]) by mx04.gis.net; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 10:01:10 -0400 From: "rande@thecia.net" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 10:01:11 -0400 Priority: normal Subject: [Tigers] Martha/Vandellas, Mustang I and Mustang prod Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to Rollright and to Jerry for the video links. The Dearborn Mustang assembly plant video was neat, on several fronts. Judging by the sight of the GT emblems and matching individual 'Mustang' lettering, filming was well into production of the 1965 model. I was amused a little by the singers permitted to dart into and out of cars as they moved down the assembly line. I recently toured the MINI plant in Oxford, and there, you'd be lucky if you got within 20 feet of the cars on the line,workers were so concerned with visitors scratching paint or glass. Any yes, Jerry, Ford used an engine hoist we would kill for. I was knocked out by the sight of downpipes already installed before installation. The film about the Mustang I and Troutman-Barnes' role in its assembly was neat. I think two versions were built, one the fully functional, drivable one we saw in the film, and a second rolling chassis example displayed at some auto shows. I've followed Troutman-Barnes since about 1967, and they have a rich history fabricating special cars. They worked originally with Kurtis in the early 1950's, they built several examples of Lance Reventlow's Scarab race cars while his racing concern was still financially solvent, they had a hand in Peter Brock's BRE Samurai racer, they built a limousine version of a 1969 VW Type 1 (beetle)(for Volkswagen Pacific - the California distributor at the time), they built a four door Porsche 911(with suicide rear doors and Sportomatic)for a Texas dealer as a birthday present for his wife, and this is just the highlights. If you Google 'image' Volkswagen Limousine, you may come up with images for both the black limo and the green with stock steel chrome wheels 911 The brown 911 with Fuchs alloy wheels in 'images' is the same car that was resprayed in that color by a later owner. If you need to read more about the 911 four-door, it's the cover article in the March 1968 Road & Track, which may be available on eBay. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 10:38:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89144270F for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:38:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D0A403F9 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:08:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.175] by nm36.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2013 16:03:55 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.242] by tm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2013 16:03:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1050.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2013 16:03:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 93829 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2013 16:03:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370448235; bh=W8q/eIAf4ehqKF8jWGP4lldV/MRPfbkcOIR6UDeUSBk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HRWwm59vJANBYmOUVnQNKqEzEaBE4asO51h6Gp/hAVWX9Q+cf/gy6XGJh3XhcXhBPRxZ7fPgO4gaxngpkgwnXepnodoQgnc36zTCbX6WTCVcZK7EEzf7giKHkfutl11knOOvqfhcTIvg02IjI+FQn/9kEJxULPTbFe7n5dq6C6o= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tUu0tVH9dFApEoQ4Kxea+4gCAwQmgLdu6bwUfIfDpNMYSojLMNLvA/9zQhCVOohhX3O71Oz6iKxwuXQKNYpgvN1hR7O4o3uFsONZmgalvO1YKLzMGaKCCpfF4MDNQ6c9zYzAUBgIfIxQfXf+Vf4URq/oTlzNkcvlbgOAhSWspoQ=; 0d5DDgkr3yk11w1Af9T_x Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 09:03:54 PDT DQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQpUaGUgcmlkZSBoZWlnaHQgb24gdGhlIGZyb250IG9mIG15IDY2IE1LMUEgaXMgdG9vIGhpZ2ggLSBjYXIgc2xvcGVzIGZyb250IHRvIGJhY2sgd2l0aCBzdG9jayBzcHJpbmdzIGFuZCB0aGUgQ0FUIHJ1YmJlciBpbnNvbGF0b3LCoHdoaWNoIGFyZcKgNS84IiB0aGljay7CoCBJdCBoYXMgYmVlbiBzdWdnZXN0ZWQgdG8gdXNlIE11c3RhbmcgSUkgaW5zb2xhdG9ycyBhcyB3ZWxsIGFzIHBvc3NpYmx5IGNoYW5naW5nIHRvIFJpY2sncyA0NTAgcG91bmQgc3ByaW5ncywgd2hpY2gBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 09:03:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Questions\Issues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The ride height on the front of my 66 MK1A is too high - car slopes front to back with stock springs and the CAT rubber insolator which are 5/8" thick. It has been suggested to use Mustang II insolators as well as possibly changing to Rick's 450 pound springs, which if I remember right are 1" shorter. Any ideas without changing springs or cutting stock springs as I do not like to cut any springs? The front brake dust caps have a small hole in the center - is this correct? If not source and part number to get new ones - We have taken to NAPA to match up new ones to no avail. Is there suppose to be a rubber seal that goes on the 'inner fender where it meets the wing? Possibly like the MGB - cannot seem to determine. Little too wide a gap for using sealer. Ideas? Rebuilt brake calipers or getting yours redone source? I rebuilt both calipers with MGB SS pistons and rebuild kit and also put in new split caliper seals, though I cannot for the life of me find where I got them. One of the rebuilt calipers is leaking at the split seal location. Regards Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 11:02:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE8F4272A for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:02:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f174.google.com (mail-vc0-f174.google.com [209.85.220.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1BB403BA for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:54:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id kw10so1301407vcb.33 for ; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=sEYXRnAYLBKyPQRI1bwka0TWNhoBh8aSsMLNLZ3Ewyo=; b=XCnsETN5fmqwZhITKrgndPucJY2c1LXiCup4xC1IkTUczH54apSceeMaDyJOKc7Mdv z5nT/ajdcD9+aGF4RBZwVvXj22EKTQcfUKcBA6SobUR3IhPGJ0BUsjSHQSPUEtcuavvN MKnTNZLAZfUDxVT23SFn6GpCPgRoV4vxXVvQclOmmA7gxjxA5PUMt1JPyxPI71g48vGe cRzcQ2qpKQhKW2T1Hjam69MnDWTcbufNw14yG/V+ivwTQQWpJdRqH6VlkB5KB2p3DTro NCRcbS8skCQwDm4KrGUuOdZHoY4kxKAyNTo449z7ZVWoed4s4Qkc0+6ywFsbUsMfWRzi kDiA== x13mr20547188vcp.71.1370451003883; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT) References: <1370448234.92364.YahooMailClassic@web164706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 09:50:03 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Joel Martin Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Questions\Issues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net When you put the front end together, did you leave the A arm bushings loose until you drove the car around the block for a little while? And also we are going to see pictures of this car, right? On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Joel Martin wrote: > The ride height on the front of my 66 MK1A is too high - car slopes front > to > back with stock springs and the CAT rubber insolator which are 5/8" thick. > It > has been suggested to use Mustang II insolators as well as possibly > changing > to Rick's 450 pound springs, which if I remember right are 1" shorter. Any > ideas without changing springs or cutting stock springs as I do not like to > cut any springs? > > The front brake dust caps have a small hole in the center - is this > correct? > If not source and part number to get new ones - We have taken to NAPA to > match > up new ones to no avail. > > Is there suppose to be a rubber seal that goes on the 'inner fender where > it > meets the wing? Possibly like the MGB - cannot seem to determine. Little > too > wide a gap for using sealer. Ideas? > > Rebuilt brake calipers or getting yours redone source? I rebuilt both > calipers with MGB SS pistons and rebuild kit and also put in new split > caliper > seals, though I cannot for the life of me find where I got them. One of > the > rebuilt calipers is leaking at the split seal location. > > Regards > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 11:16:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EB84052F for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:16:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-mocinrl09.gannett.com (ent-mocinrl09.gannett.com [159.54.39.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AC3403F4 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:16:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXHC02.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.20.1.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-mocinrl09.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376CC39DC09; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::5d98:601a:f044:d018]) by ENT-MOCEXHC02.us.ad.gannett.com ([172.20.1.48]) with mapi; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:11:40 -0400 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Jay Laifman , Joel Martin Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:11:39 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Fw: Questions\Issues Thread-Index: Ac5iDdK/odibsyiZS4Kt7jZheBYx1QAAWbhA References: <1370448234.92364.YahooMailClassic@web164706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Questions\Issues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Regarding the Mustang II spring insulators, Ford dealers no longer have them. The easiest source is Speedway Motors (speedwaymotors.com) as these are used extensively by the hot rod community. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 9:50 AM To: Joel Martin Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Questions\Issues When you put the front end together, did you leave the A arm bushings loose until you drove the car around the block for a little while? And also we are going to see pictures of this car, right? On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Joel Martin wrote: > The ride height on the front of my 66 MK1A is too high - car slopes > front to back with stock springs and the CAT rubber insolator which > are 5/8" thick. > It > has been suggested to use Mustang II insolators as well as possibly > changing to Rick's 450 pound springs, which if I remember right are 1" > shorter. Any ideas without changing springs or cutting stock springs > as I do not like to cut any springs? > > The front brake dust caps have a small hole in the center - is this > correct? > If not source and part number to get new ones - We have taken to NAPA > to match up new ones to no avail. > > Is there suppose to be a rubber seal that goes on the 'inner fender > where it meets the wing? Possibly like the MGB - cannot seem to > determine. Little too wide a gap for using sealer. Ideas? > > Rebuilt brake calipers or getting yours redone source? I rebuilt both > calipers with MGB SS pistons and rebuild kit and also put in new split > caliper seals, though I cannot for the life of me find where I got > them. One of the rebuilt calipers is leaking at the split seal > location. > > Regards > Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 11:32:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE514270C for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f175.google.com (mail-qc0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B7F40407 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:23:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id k14so317030qcv.20 for ; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 10:19:05 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YvKH7c1yFNvLgMFTLHhIUAFo8FOAlV7qofHXXILGGWk=; b=fSxyQJ0W/xYnAarRNRVqKmwZhNQOOlPOwxd+Eqt5/eNAFTkdrakMfvdmcma+2T+jWS DMaXW6uJ7PugIyIuzyevBWi6usAdJO3I0F8BQ/xuFHIqWfAZn1j7YEsskHaE/Mv7mCxr E+GB+W4DckukvkVsL9WUi+OFRa8NZENEjb3lzleNie1VMlJjqXZxqfW4BGFZjw2ew/o9 B50qMIMvNwBb/c6qpAqEb/LYvrQWxwCO2hMaMWhyz3Tp9WtSfVyQvlBU2VG86wuSriIS m7hHQrZdOvoDfjqnRwZg6p7DWWXieKAPqhNMWgJwBSuZgyrm9yftPTnHzpmYUtwyhRgm TaqA== n19mr29774057qav.66.1370452745489; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 10:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.97.97 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:19:05 -0700 (PDT) References: <1370448234.92364.YahooMailClassic@web164706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:19:05 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: Jay Laifman Cc: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Questions\Issues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel, When I built my Mark 2 I lost at least a hundred pounds off the front end by changing the heads, manifold and water pump to aluminum. I'm pretty sure the front's riding a bit higher than it did when the cast iron parts were on the engine. I checked the May '12 SS catalog; springs aren't listed, but I believe Dale A has them. Rick lists caliper rebuild kits and stainless caliper pistons. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > When you put the front end together, did you leave the A arm bushings loose > until you drove the car around the block for a little while? > > And also we are going to see pictures of this car, right? > > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Joel Martin wrote: > > > The ride height on the front of my 66 MK1A is too high - car slopes front > > to > > back with stock springs and the CAT rubber insolator which are 5/8" > thick. > > It > > has been suggested to use Mustang II insolators as well as possibly > > changing > > to Rick's 450 pound springs, which if I remember right are 1" shorter. > Any > > ideas without changing springs or cutting stock springs as I do not like > to > > cut any springs? > > > > The front brake dust caps have a small hole in the center - is this > > correct? > > If not source and part number to get new ones - We have taken to NAPA to > > match > > up new ones to no avail. > > > > Is there suppose to be a rubber seal that goes on the 'inner fender where > > it > > meets the wing? Possibly like the MGB - cannot seem to determine. > Little > > too > > wide a gap for using sealer. Ideas? > > > > Rebuilt brake calipers or getting yours redone source? I rebuilt both > > calipers with MGB SS pistons and rebuild kit and also put in new split > > caliper > > seals, though I cannot for the life of me find where I got them. One of > > the > > rebuilt calipers is leaking at the split seal location. > > > > Regards > > Joel Martin > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 12:33:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EA940553 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:33:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og115.obsmtp.com (exprod5og115.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.246]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03406403DB for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:27:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpmlip10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.5.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob115.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUa+CEG8tgb4QLMN8QI3rD/HH7srUr8Qq@postini.com; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 11:23:22 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO cinmlef09.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.213.56]) by alpmlip10.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 05 Jun 2013 14:23:11 -0400 Received: from cinmlef16.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.213.85]) by cinmlef09.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:23:10 -0400 Received: from CINMLCH02.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.51]) by cinmlef16.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:23:10 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA11.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.40) by CINMLCH02.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.136.1; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:23:06 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.193]) by CINMBCNA11.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.40]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:23:06 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: LIST TIGER Thread-Topic: Front Bumper Height Thread-Index: Ac5iGbcGPhbwpRGDSeu4zZvoRYzi1A== Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 18:23:05 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.192] FILETIME=[BBBCA550:01CE6219] Subject: [Tigers] Front Bumper Height Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net What is the consensus for setting the relationship of the front bumper to the front valence? I'm leveling the mounts for the bumper and don't want to go through this twice. Certain sage sources in Dayton told me a finger-width between the top of the upper front valence and the inside of the bumper's upper radius. Unfortunately, fingers vary significantly in diameter so a true measurement would be helpful. Thanks, Bugz _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 14:08:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE6B140549 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61CE40413 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:08:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BDB9E70063E6D for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dlb005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dlb005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.180.209]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 61793E000094 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:03:46 -0400 (EDT) From: BOBCARNUT@aol.com Full-name: BOBCARNUT Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:03:46 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370462626; bh=dst0nZpVMXbPknlbEsKfAUPxi5VYFncuXvJj3QWFe24=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jD8v3zOvB+NOg0sLmy6tVDwnQK+scmlSrCXDEwBWsu/xcIRKp9BBj0VXSpYQRPMYe KpvLexwQI7xAzrtaWgLy+a8O6iH985gBcuSY5BU5gODe475Bu2PbZAGXWwgikOGYvn OTxtNr2Mo3Jt9i3IUdSNHx/MfP6JXIfQLRo4zxTI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b51af99a251b0 Subject: [Tigers] Generator bracket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone in the Tiger group have any interest in a SB Ford generator and mounting bracket? They were on a '63 Falcon I purchased a couple of years ago. I can't find any markings on the generator, except stamped on the generator fan is: A3 FAA, and on the stamped end cover / mount is a oval with "FOMOCO" in it. The bracket has: C20E-10038-N cast into the bracket. Bob Lerch....former Tiger owner..... _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 14:53:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067D740526 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:53:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6A740413 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:39:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004960.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r55KY8jO010473; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:35:49 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189443) id dm0219.5192ebc4.28c2a3; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:34:52 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:34:48 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5iCmJgmD8eo/+vRB6XlzwZqsFJEAAHXv8g engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-05_08:2013-06-05,2013-06-05,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1306050198 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Questions\Issues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel I have the Mustang II rubber spring perch with stock springs. I tried other combinations but I did not like the ride with heavier springs nor the height with stock or Cat rubber parts. The suspension needs to have the car weight on it before tightening the suspension components. The large bearing cap over the front axle nut does have a small hole - it will equalize pressure as the bearings, grease and everything heats up and cools down. Are you talking about where there is a step at the inner fender? There is a steel plate with 2 sheet metal screws that cover that area plus a good bit of seal and undercoat. Splitting and putting calipers back together can be tricky. You have to make sure all the surfaces are clean and flat. I have reused the original seal with success but there is no guarantee. Seems to me either Rich or Dale have some of those seals. I would pull the leaking caliper apart, inspect the flat areas, clean the seal and dry the seal area then assembly. Ron -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 12:04 PM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Questions\Issues The ride height on the front of my 66 MK1A is too high - car slopes front to back with stock springs and the CAT rubber insolator which are 5/8" thick. It has been suggested to use Mustang II insolators as well as possibly changing to Rick's 450 pound springs, which if I remember right are 1" shorter. Any ideas without changing springs or cutting stock springs as I do not like to cut any springs? The front brake dust caps have a small hole in the center - is this correct? If not source and part number to get new ones - We have taken to NAPA to match up new ones to no avail. Is there suppose to be a rubber seal that goes on the 'inner fender where it meets the wing? Possibly like the MGB - cannot seem to determine. Little too wide a gap for using sealer. Ideas? Rebuilt brake calipers or getting yours redone source? I rebuilt both calipers with MGB SS pistons and rebuild kit and also put in new split caliper seals, though I cannot for the life of me find where I got them. One of the rebuilt calipers is leaking at the split seal location. Regards Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 16:13:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D2E40C02 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:13:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f53.google.com (mail-vb0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476EC403FA for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:11:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id p12so1463942vbe.26 for ; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:07:15 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Fn1XGb1CACThR/AHhSBrpKBb4aY1Klx95hi167H/SgQ=; b=nptEXbVSmQ05SP1NOZXxFwqygNRqjyup+eZC0saM9EyKvfl1AtKmxg+67MBxeXNnAC ANgZ6fKw0gOeZq9NQG/wRK5LWyLuVRgjHg+fjRvumma5kwNu704iOLn4eZTMi95d4Mi2 Edhcp+aFp5iYObKZ36OSK7zSTegfmLeULOVjmnbih7kvpUSB+btR3PHWq9IYzXPWIzRy Z7QSaFpAXS2z+iMKy/9s2L/6thfbDS7MA3HRr3ssMneCEt6KOO8clBrxOyXi2+RhxLAt lzf21/Oy9bh7EBVVai6cAQ8Mg0b2KIMFoHn3v5Z5aXWG6KHwgm/f7cL7Z+9LXlsYQh4y bQcg== bc4mr21189213veb.48.1370470035771; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 15:07:15 -0700 (PDT) References: <2903575113214B1AB61D032CEFA6B5FF@Cobra> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 15:07:15 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: csx2282 Cc: tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem - ignition/ballast resistor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I took off the carb last night and took off the fuel bowl. There is nothing obvious. But, I think Gary and Roland are probably right. I really can't see how the accelerator pump was leaking, and it appears that it was more likely the bowl. I'll never know for sure. I'm certainly looking forward to getting the kit from Holley and digging in. Jay On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:37 PM, csx2282 wrote: > Gary has a good point. When I first started driving my car after an > engine rebuild, which included a professional carburetor rebuild, it leaked > like crazy. It turned out that the bowl mounting screws were too loose. > Tightening them solved the problem. In Jay's case, with a little detective > work, it should be easy to verify whether or not it's the accelerator pump. > > Regarding my accelerator pump leakage problem, it was indeed a bad > diaphragm. But this was just the final chapter in series of fuel leaks, > most likely caused by the ethanol gas additive here in California. During > the rebuild I had installed stainless steel braded AN6 Earls fuel lines. > After about five years, these lines began leaking when whatever the inner > material was made of started deteriorating. I solved that problem by > replacing the lines with stainless steel braded Teflon lines. At least I > hope I did! > > Roland > > ------------------------------**------------------------------**--- > >> From: Gary Winblad >> Jay, >> Are you sure? I've had blown diaphrams but don't think they ever leaked. >> But, I've had plenty of Holley leaks from the fuel bowls and just last >> week from >> the adjustable float adjuster. Fuel will drip off the lowest point >> (accelerator >> pump) but the leak usually is from above. >> Gary >> ------------------------------ >> >>> From: Jay Laifman >>> >>> On the flip side, I noticed that the Holley is dripping gas out the >>> bottom, >>> from what looks like an accelerator pump. Looks like the carb needs to >>> come >>> out to service it. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 17:18:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A30A40526 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 17:18:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BEFC403FA for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.71]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kinV1l0011YDfWL59mkBUJ; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 22:44:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([71.224.10.100]) by omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kmk91l00M29WXmF3gmkBeH; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 22:44:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 18:44:08 -0400 From: ironbeast To: Tigers@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1370472251; bh=AsbK2BVR/v3Yt6yKXabyDj/KgUL3LGnflhyDtNHMtsg=; h=Received:Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kLJ4bNmz6QEkCCwYbLYODj4aA5T9xRA+1a8ltMWIQxgsGGvonF5yqr7sisUVJUShL VJxSXVNzD0zkJei6hUeOLK6TDDpaiIU0P5o7KBpML3ZF5w/jKqdi4kvLjKflRnwy6+ wVf8bX2ttVzkUZVwVJmxjEeDjz6Cl+lAJ6sj3cdHTp44DeTQjcAeP6FnD3n7GAlLMF 75au/R9fKKWkZSJfbZuHNiYj17nL9tYJqozOdizpAP4p4fXn4elzGcW3fpiyWJlkP+ 3z+rveZqccdds8zO8DesP/3vrFpP2+5A7kphMWkBrt6nHUeWKxdu5S9nB2M6Jq/bBS r+ygDggFy+5fg== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Questions\Issues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel, The hole in the bearing cap is supposed to be there for venting. The shop manual also notes that they should not be filled with grease to work correctly.B I recently had my calipers rebuilt by apple hydraulics. I think it was about $B 113/caliper. Got em in about a week with new pistons and crossover seal.-not loaded. I was happy with them. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Joel Martin Date: 06/05/2013 12:03 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Questions\Issues The ride height on the front of my 66 MK1A is too high - car slopes front to back with stock springs and the CAT rubber insolator which are 5/8" thick.B It has been suggested to use Mustang II insolators as well as possibly changing to Rick's 450 pound springs, which if I remember right are 1" shorter.B Any ideas without changing springs or cutting stock springs as I do not like to cut any springs? The front brake dust caps have a small hole in the center - is this correct? If not source and part number to get new ones - We have taken to NAPA to match up new ones to no avail. Is there suppose to be a rubber seal that goes on the 'inner fender where it meets the wing?B Possibly like the MGB - cannot seem to determine.B Little too wide a gap for using sealer.B Ideas? Rebuilt brake calipers or getting yours redone source?B I rebuilt both calipers with MGB SS pistons and rebuild kit and also put in new split caliper seals, though I cannot for the life of me find where I got them.B One of the rebuilt calipers is leaking at the split seal location. Regards Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ironbeast@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 21:51:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B349E40417 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 21:51:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm40-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm40-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8076403F4 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 21:51:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.175] by nm40.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 03:46:47 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.199] by tm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 03:46:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 03:46:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370490407; bh=TqR5E30CZ/VAErz4fhvJd5927J7T6sdCT1aki1YrC/Q=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Hadx+Zpq03HJyh5psq3wqtdSzA4vpaBMI5Dvu8sxUuzs4D5rBd1EI5kraNUwC2+ZN3ak3Mg1hBEhaOMDdeDz7qa21WwiaJiwHiQQNkSXSg7I74LFKC5ZVfhtkn7Meym7Lf7nOZzo+K5Q+/UIwS+AFuog1oV2goR2Wzdl5+iFPp4= VfeKkJ46axcA4W6wmCQsD2yZ8CCHldZpGe1.siDM0W.9oAs.ccjZTDp9SI7z bPFfbw9plkcukS3EgBQXH_ZIP4FvHzKaH.Mk0735LdV8xkvoenHUR1gTWo2C AwCpOa7mKS3WQ5oDdqWGqe6Doc67eYbQ3lI3doWZiwgjv6.iWsVfrsLS3tL8 aBOR7cJFWqzgk44Q6p3fIxOD9VRyQJsZFE0anRuqCyp8Fn1p7KRhUcP5V0xg 7eU7YvrwvdVE69sjBFevt6ZU7JjAZYD3SU0a0waDDK.F5AW8GGP_xree6Bh4 vG26_JrOCOQpfiTRBvsUpNU0ehEVXVeoUDeqK_zOHteuNXvQNc4vif94HMi0 KWWlbpLF001Fsp9pfka8JhdoI7HjiLgWF26uREpFvyfmIeocPzeul9azc94k 7m7SjrW2IDtSr..X.i2rbstLwyY5URfxBNufS smtp210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jun 2013 20:46:47 -0700 PDT Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 22:47:00 -0500 From: TtT To: Tod Brown , tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger trailer hitch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In last months Tiger Tales there's a picture of Bean,not sure if it's a Tiger or an Alpine but it's towing an Alpine half car. I own a very nice one and I'm requesting advice about installing a Trailer hitch to my Tiger. I once examined Tiger Toms car, as it had every option my Mk7 Lincoln had BUT I didn't look at his trailer hitch. Anyone with knowledge or experience please share. TIA TonytheTiger Sent from Huawei Mobile _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 10:29:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661A9403E9 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 10:29:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.demon.co.uk (mdfmta006.mxout.tbr.inty.net [91.221.168.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5DE40042 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 10:22:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mdfmta006.tbr.inty.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mdfmta006.tbr.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFE13B4079; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:17:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdfmta006.tbr.inty.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mdfmta006.tbr.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31B73B4090; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:17:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from HVUT01.thus.corp (unknown [91.221.168.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mdfmta006.tbr.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:17:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from EXMBX13.thus.corp ([169.254.1.63]) by HVUT01.thus.corp ([192.168.70.41]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:17:46 +0100 From: Jeff Howarth To: TtT , Tod Brown , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tiger trailer hitch Thread-Index: AQHOYmiKHpsvQIaWMEmHfMWQUKOelZko3UAg Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:17:45 +0000 References: <2c3derhvl7b8xk74u881xhxn.1369426969850@email.android.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-GB x-originating-ip: [86.130.132.252] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger trailer hitch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Tony, tow hitches were available in the UK as aftermarket. they fitted under the trunk floor and also on the bumper mounts. Some also bolted through the rear bumper for added strength. I have one in the garage loft, can send you some pictures if you wish. Jeff Jeff Howarth ________________________________________ From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] on behalf of TtT [achd73@yahoo.com] Sent: 06 June 2013 04:47 To: Tod Brown; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger trailer hitch In last months Tiger Tales there's a picture of Bean,not sure if it's a Tiger or an Alpine but it's towing an Alpine half car. I own a very nice one and I'm requesting advice about installing a Trailer hitch to my Tiger. I once examined Tiger Toms car, as it had every option my Mk7 Lincoln had BUT I didn't look at his trailer hitch. Anyone with knowledge or experience please share. TIA TonytheTiger Sent from Huawei Mobile _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 12:30:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68279403D8 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:30:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm31.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm31.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075414003E for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:29:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.56] by nm31.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 18:24:54 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.52] by tm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 18:24:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1067.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 18:24:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 26044 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2013 18:24:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370543094; bh=UYRPDFtcHokCRjxt3yZDYg116eY+Di96cn7/LXlKbnk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4Opy2A2QEkapYPTTZauKWx0u8Oc0X8KE4F07lyRnrWV2ukZcc8+IyBghzYEwtPpV6grN301yBOqfDDW2ZkHbYZA44OJ5gfXCTh4f1VDtqX80wwJFR2VuT7+EAj8ZwD218sZEu5MHUEEaZhUSiog9PT2jm3WZAwTntJbIxqTWPco= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nUIKiPPJTxq6G6I5dYumy83VEH8qTr6Cp5gtp2NBL0riyksTIy34768WDsAoUNitXA7iemZRynrCuVu/VKVtDpAtLfQCg3qGgJgx8o+RNzWRTmcCrqU/T7Q59kBUODUjJvjpDIyiGDKHhS4qP+RifzETIOHZ7psvsFH3KFISHU0=; iMF_hnVwo7tFGMwfTjqXZ1almPDIHz75m9hcmL3VxtoSKGOavbzpYkalEqO7 .iv151gfWLrE10xPAxTK8P7icOJv29Au0X.R0KO0KJ.D1.eQ_tzpWReN6PGZ MoCoS3bNwTqE5R520Q47M28hPAhMknn7jbrzbdh0ghLzmPktdZScv13Ui4RG uL6FeiqHQNo_ACN9hWxI7HoPEzVNzmZVFrGkOq8RVk.cOM7CZ_HULdwM5gsX Olz3GNqmC.J6Reo3D2pG2nFOpDpfsJhLc055J9mbZqXVEUYV_jAHcZ6ybT9h aJGK0XPpYX_LicwFvDZWDDCZNcr5Qci926ECJMp.n3tglf1odKonVuVsSLJt Ee8XYppOaruv0Pv4NEw..TyceMHxeO4YYxw6v6zNoLFfPXiOXk4TN.zK_qOF p_D2pilPqJA4ble2PaniATKdPHl0MSbz.5fvb6hGcqhn5SFwdwQFmrJ6fpGA ekjlhBZEbNL3xMpfhPk0_RgCE7lXh3LhGCMYpLz1nZd.NH.HOd1cykqjv247 TyKYG4O4KsPSnp4M6c753iP75aCDX.Eaeuwytq7bTRT_sBmc- Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 11:24:54 PDT DQoNCg0KDQoNClRoZSBjYWxpcGVyIHNlYWxzLCAwMDdKNDkwOCwgYXJlIGNhcnJpZWQgYnkgRGF2ZSBCZWFuIEVuZ2luZWVyaW5nIEAgaHR0cDovL3d3dy5kYXZlYmVhbi5jb20vwqAgdGhlIGxvdHVzIHN0b3JlLsKgIEEgS2VuIEdyYXkgdGhlcmUgaXMgdmVyeSBoZWxwZnVsIGFuZCB0aGV5IGNhcnJ5IGFsbCBzb3J0cyBvZiBjYWxpcGVyIHBpZWNlcyBwbHVzIGNsdXRjaCBzbGF2ZSBjeWxpbmRlcnMgYW5kIG90aGVyIHBhcnRzIGZvciB0aWdlciB0aGF0IHNlZW0gdG8gY3Jvc3MgdG8gb3RoZXIgdmVoaWNsZXMBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:24:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Brake Caliper split seals for Tiger - FYI Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The caliper seals, 007J4908, are carried by Dave Bean Engineering @ http://www.davebean.com/ the lotus store. A Ken Gray there is very helpful and they carry all sorts of caliper pieces plus clutch slave cylinders and other parts for tiger that seem to cross to other vehicles. Ken tells me the caliper pistons crossed to Cortina GT, Elan +2 and Triumph GT6. They do not have a online catalog at this point, so you need to call 209 754 5802. Thanks Tom. Regards Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 12:54:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC6C403E8 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9CC40078 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:47:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id l1mm1l00316LCl0516igkv; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:42:40 +0000 Received: from OldHickory.comcast.net ([24.125.152.229]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id l6ie1l01R4xDDKL3S6igEL; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:42:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 14:36:40 -0400 To: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve From: Marc James Small References: <1370543094.94080.YahooMailClassic@web164703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> s=q20121106; t=1370544160; bh=vbLqJ5m3Rhp+xgJIqiVn14y5pUlVuC9PtpWtf8oZllU=; h=Received:Received:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=IECUeYsPi+rA2BHjTJDgiH+Rn6WBl+3rNTVf/KEWOe3ahSzL/MhOJ3hw0yu4K3SOz DykCOJLQAkF60WgNZEruYB92jVBx4WbaGIimRfaQcwVaRP8pPCYul96w8J9B9jA2Zo T0lr5hgQKuicE95cHcr1MU1YGbNgiqK1j8t4yTCo3uzdHXJ9MB8VADh+YKDYcbVNF+ zQWBQOO71QC5PK/daCxTYnN4wyZrhewlir448cXwxgSdTaG9S0WwpA87eFoalgAIV0 irFniTFc4SpQwVq+w7IZJpYXErMqD9gjjbTp2IFVFGrLTOCS6FnI30HZLUXrF2R2h7 25sVsRqlW3W+g== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Caliper split seals for Tiger - FYI Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At 02:24 PM 6/6/2013, Joel Martin wrote: >The caliper seals, 007J4908, are carried by Dave Bean Engineering @ >http://www.davebean.com/ the lotus store. A Ken Gray there is very helpful >and they carry all sorts of caliper pieces plus clutch slave cylinders and >other parts for tiger that seem to cross to other vehicles. Ken tells me the >caliper pistons crossed to Cortina GT, Elan +2 and Triumph GT6. They do not >have a online catalog at this point, so you need to call 209 754 >5802. Thanks Tom. The '70 to '74 Coritina used the second generation of the Girling brake system. The Cortina was sold in the US by Ford under the Mercury label, as my pea-brain data banks recall. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 13:11:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E737F403C5 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:11:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18EA14035A for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:05:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNZ007LWJH6FHS0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 14:00:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <1370543094.94080.YahooMailClassic@web164703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:00:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Caliper split seals for Tiger - FYI Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Note: You will have to cut and paste this (whole) reference to see the site. I drove past DBE a few weeks ago. I barely caught it out of the corner of my eye as I motored down California's historic Hwy 49. I got all excited - my wife... less so. You have to appreciate how a service out in the "middle of nowhere" (for us city/suburbia dwellers) can be substantial to a small, but dedicated group of specific car owners. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=636+W+St+Charles+St,+San+Andreas,+CA&hl=en&ll=38.188866,-120.674472&spn=0.011536,0.022724&sll=38.190771,-120.675101&sspn=0.000721,0.00142&oq=636+w+St+Charles+St,+San+Andreas,+CA&t=h&hnear=636+W+St+Charles+St,+San+Andreas,+Calaveras,+California&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.188577,-120.674421&panoid=cn8ehrQrOJ1mPobnV3Gwyw&cbp=12,189.73,,1,3.16 > The caliper seals, 007J4908, are carried by Dave Bean Engineering @ > http://www.davebean.com/ the lotus store. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 13:15:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB4B4035A for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:15:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f175.google.com (mail-ve0-f175.google.com [209.85.128.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B80C4003F for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:14:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f175.google.com with SMTP id da11so2454837veb.6 for ; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:10:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ZXcCFFG51dlN96GurWTJ5LmHGI8o/uubiyfOiiempdY=; b=yDMNJHjan9LTUsKHJAIaP+SXNWw4QQ9Ie4X5Cb54H3yf3noQ5IhnA+OA7d4GwIahxr lvkCLHTjHNWpPPcqXd0ExBOsIz486Dg1muQoSKURZXJbHsiBJ1/m+tfRQYdEExr8+eaZ Glh5b5LZTEMWhyMSgO4Lg6cXDKUOxOxcNjg9tb73UQZHTZo1cUxwr86eYRNLYCRtOo+G /oavshcb9cpE4nmsjRnI5w6LmXwnOSyBa+UnE5uEVcS0FGimZnn+LUoTcR2kk2tMoQ4K leqoBO2mxOa+leaVmpCnHXHzS++48Gyx7+HA+lVw4qnitUfX9JnANOPkVwvTQN86zdyW rIDQ== n4mr16097548vdf.82.1370545814162; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:10:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <1370543094.94080.YahooMailClassic@web164703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20130606185404.A87E6403D8@autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:10:14 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Marc James Small Cc: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Caliper split seals for Tiger - FYI Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Are we talking about the piston seal or the seal between the caliper halves? If the later, as far as I know, there is no good reason to split the calipers unless they are leaking between the halves, and you are only asking for trouble if you do. I've never done it. So, I don't know how realistic the trouble is. On the other hand, I've never had a need to do it either. Jay On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Marc James Small wrote: > At 02:24 PM 6/6/2013, Joel Martin wrote: > >The caliper seals, 007J4908, are carried by Dave Bean Engineering @ > >http://www.davebean.com/ the lotus store. A Ken Gray there is very > helpful > >and they carry all sorts of caliper pieces plus clutch slave cylinders and > >other parts for tiger that seem to cross to other vehicles. Ken tells me > the > >caliper pistons crossed to Cortina GT, Elan +2 and Triumph GT6. They do > not > >have a online catalog at this point, so you need to call 209 754 > >5802. Thanks Tom. > > The '70 to '74 Coritina used the second > generation of the Girling brake system. The > Cortina was sold in the US by Ford under the > Mercury label, as my pea-brain data banks recall. > > Marc > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/jay.laifman@** > gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 13:25:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBBE403DA for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF1740046 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.59] by nm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 19:18:31 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.193] by tm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 19:18:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1080.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 19:18:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 97351 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2013 19:18:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370546311; bh=HwpFkIn2uf15lk7+dAvZVYgNMqJjHMxeEDv0lBxbs9k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=e2gC2evxDjZby5dpAK9pORbg2N2FwkL4oxnXfP7EfsYq3+MuRL7o4ucLrNOZXf3nOKYuzfoMXsF2gzY+xtxbybt/LQ7Ckg6DCcSIo5yFRZsI+MacMxxPZez6goCvc/0Cwk2zRT1ENL3WlExQgVbRk+rx3offB0TQnL4+LyqrL30= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QDQUnyoteQwY/PbtNCJqDrCmUuRuX92InjMLMEx5+epygbzF9Gbnqf8SV3WlWmXg2YYHbGMO+RDvL83TcbxTU3TT/aTxQK+YxSOjuUTzeu+Ljq6Gl594DW9yBtFR1FyEygs5r66cuvXiGvy1jDyPg/Mb9XUN0EwW1kqCutiaeak=; dQZ5ZXXkgkG3r0QDTnbSvjgtf0jkjs383H2PieTCa4REAWTm0URhz3_vTNBX V12K46yTHON_5vfl2uaIkJHoU00lDbt2PAZtbmwrf_owCW.7TBYzhJ2VPywm NeR6aGeo60iPzuiewFU53rZ3_ocKXWE4ID70.zfAG4i5OBxygVy2aKUzo3Di 6dFlKFl1e0uTunalvzxTKPDdt_2xhKuxbQazFhERrEQEGix6UBuDn5WCPDMC je7nJf8lISpqVduE4XqNycY1N16S6.cILaJkt4oMaLB3_Y2VLk7kMZDrTWQ7 XuCME0DJMGugLkyTgUWvkFra7Jwld8n3.11sjb_2O6XAqmPVBChdr9daLcjG 1nuTJE8hBaM_auuUc79RMcBeadsFTren21MKGKJKeNCrnCFGtiHWvgGuRuPq QoU4pbhRFxXS6nd_Cu4S0NLeTQtNIVgVuHnJxUfcSzd4InxHsi.SX6myEw4u 8.SNcDaI9Vbya6B4VO_ecR4BwKh1eBbWOwaKdthdFb8MaIndoZ1JBNXjgIIL m5gjbv.FuRXmM4PP2xfzduJH4e7_fZFJzUwaq9DvJcRnjMZ13jswrdOM7vMw LLPksmo6snMG2zM.htDr1x5wbejOlnTJAdfyto8GKZr4FtpyFEPjEEI679qi 9Nk.kJkHuAsh7TiI90wjuBdoTnHyIWbjFi6yxNxi6BLX12JavDjNSrxQzHLj XsAxBqE4SzKaspCMU3Efn4t0CCZTTLKebyfrSkYcVb5WfgBbwqynZ4a5rTKl zs3NVwWIa_akRXAKXd0eoOOo- Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:18:31 PDT SmF5DQrCoA0KVGhlIHNlYWwgYmV0d2VlbiB0aGUgY2FsaXBlciBoYWxmcy7CoCBUaGlzIHdhcyB0aGUgb25seSB3YXnCoEkgY291bGTCoGdldCB0aGUgY2FsaXBlciBwaXN0b25zIG91dC7CoCBBc2tpbmcgZm9yIHRyb3VibGUsIG9oIHllcyAtIGZvdW5kIGl0LsKgIE9uZSBpcyBsZWFraW5nIGFmdGVyIHJlYXNzZW1ibHksIHNvIGdldHRpbmcgbmV3IHNlYWxzIGFuZCBzb21lIHJlZCBncmVhc2UgKEdpcmxpbmcpIGNsZWFuIGFnYWluIHdpdGggbmV3IHNlYWwgb24gdGhlIGxlYWtpbmcgbGVmdCBzaWRlIGFuZCABMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:18:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Marc James Small , Jay Laifman Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Caliper split seals for Tiger - FYI Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay The seal between the caliper halfs. This was the only way I could get the caliper pistons out. Asking for trouble, oh yes - found it. One is leaking after reassembly, so getting new seals and some red grease (Girling) clean again with new seal on the leaking left side and try again ensuring absolute cleanliness and orientation, then torquing the 3/8" bolts, I think, to 55 pounds. Unless I am still out in left field on my approach? Regards Joel Martin --- On Thu, 6/6/13, Jay Laifman wrote: From: Jay Laifman Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Caliper split seals for Tiger - FYI To: "Marc James Small" Cc: "Joel Martin" , "Tiger List Serve" Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 3:10 PM Are we talking about the piston seal or the seal between the caliper halves? If the later, as far as I know, there is no good reason to split the calipers unless they are leaking between the halves, and you are only asking for trouble if you do. I've never done it. So, I don't know how realistic the trouble is. On the other hand, I've never had a need to do it either. Jay On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Marc James Small wrote: At 02:24 PM 6/6/2013, Joel Martin wrote: >The caliper seals, 007J4908, are carried by Dave Bean Engineering @ >http://www.davebean.com/ the lotus store. A Ken Gray there is very helpful >and they carry all sorts of caliper pieces plus clutch slave cylinders and >other parts for tiger that seem to cross to other vehicles. Ken tells me the >caliper pistons crossed to Cortina GT, Elan +2 and Triumph GT6. They do not >have a online catalog at this point, so you need to call 209 754 >5802. Thanks Tom. The '70 to '74 Coritina used the second generation of the Girling brake system. The Cortina was sold in the US by Ford under the Mercury label, as my pea-brain data banks recall. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 16:04:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416A7403D5 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:04:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AEB40382 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:03:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY169-W28 ([65.54.190.188]) by bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:59:12 -0700 From: Tiger Man To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 15:59:12 -0600 FILETIME=[14706370:01CE6301] Subject: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all, I thought I would mention this one to the list, make sure I am going in the right direction. If I start my tiger and run the RPM's up, My amp meter shows about a 5 Amp charge (until the battery is charged back up). If I turn my headlights on (with the RPM's up) it shows about a 3 Amp discharge. The other interesting side effect is while driving around with the headlights on, the car cuts out dramatically but momentarily... like the Pertronix ign module is browning out or something? Anyway, since it charges at all, I assume that means that the generator works, and that I should go look at the Voltage regulator first, and if that checks out, then move on to check the generator. I think I still have a used spare generator on the shelf. Will the local parts houses even know how to test those correctly anymore if I bring one down to them. Its been alot of years since I have had to work on a generator problem, so thought I would try to do the research on them. I did run across the comment about polarity/charge on the charging system, especially one that has sat around for a while. I had forgotten or never knew that, but since I am getting charge from my current system, I am more concerned with that on any generator I might have sitting on the shelf. Just thought it was odd that a discharge condition would cause the Pertronix module to brown out occasionally. Wanted to make sure that I shouldn't be looking at lighting system draw to ensure that don't have something weird that is actually causing a massive draw and just maxing out the Generator/regulator. Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 16:15:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7186403E4 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:15:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306E140382 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:13:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail200-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.234) by TX2EHSOBE014.bigfish.com (10.9.40.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:08:49 +0000 Received: from mail200-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail200-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA37440336; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:08:49 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail200-tx2: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail200-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail200-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1370556527921792_29307; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS005.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.233]) by mail200-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D485D980061; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by TX2EHSMHS005.bigfish.com (10.9.99.105) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:08:47 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.179) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.220) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:08:41 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.179]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:08:46 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Tiger Man , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on Thread-Index: AQHOYwEf0U4XSDDkUEOmf5qKYirOnJkpPIZg Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:08:45 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net First check that your ammeter is working at all and that it's wired properly. With the ignition off, turn on the headlights. You should show about 10 amps discharge. The horns should also draw about 6-10 amps if they're adjusted properly, IIRC. The spec current draw for each horn is given in the factory manual. It does sound like your regulator isn't doing the job. For proper charging, the ignition system voltage needs to be about 13.5 to 14 volts when the engine is running; you can check this with a voltmeter. Turning on the lights should not cause a significant voltage drop. I'd expect to see a couple of amps of charge current even at idle, and more immediately after you've started the engine. If it won't charge unless you rev the engine, maybe check the generator brushes? If you have sudden cutouts then maybe something isn't grounded properly. Check the ground connections on the engine to chassis, from the generator to the chassis, and from the battery to the chassis. Are your headlights operating at full brightness? When the engine cuts out, do the headlights suddenly dim? This might be hard to check without a helper... Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tiger Man > Sent: June 6, 2013 3:59 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on > > Hi all, > > I thought I would mention this one to the list, make sure I am going in > the right direction. If I start my tiger and run the RPM's up, My amp > meter shows about a 5 Amp charge (until the battery is charged back > up). If I turn my headlights on (with the RPM's up) it shows about a 3 > Amp discharge. The other interesting side effect is while driving > around with the headlights on, the car cuts out dramatically but > momentarily... like the Pertronix ign module is browning out or > something? ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 16:30:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A46A403E0 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:30:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txofep02.suddenlink.net (txofep02.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9556C4038C for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:25:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Roscrea ([74.196.108.150]) by txofep02.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.01.08 201-2343-100-153-20121108) with ESMTP id <20130606222107.ORPY18271.txofep02.suddenlink.net@Roscrea>; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:21:07 -0500 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "'Tiger Man'" , References: Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:21:12 -0500 Thread-Index: AQOpUVvd4UMm6T/W66TXIkX/R9Ik3ZVzZLlA Content-Language: en-us cv=c/DLzSAT69tkIBo50xSE+TqiyXKeVw/DCN8JHeK6KKA= c=1 sm=0 a=0u5ZI9wBvLoA:10 a=xzW3HwPJiLYA:10 a=VPHkNMUpP2kA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=8LaAqv5HAAAA:8 a=oMbkfj439MiUhUrwECcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=gPGHqaX6uacA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm pretty sure the Pertronix needs a solid 12 volts. If you are discharging with lights on you may not be getting full 12 to the ignition. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tiger Man Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 4:59 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on Hi all, I thought I would mention this one to the list, make sure I am going in the right direction. If I start my tiger and run the RPM's up, My amp meter shows about a 5 Amp charge (until the battery is charged back up). If I turn my headlights on (with the RPM's up) it shows about a 3 Amp discharge. The other interesting side effect is while driving around with the headlights on, the car cuts out dramatically but momentarily... like the Pertronix ign module is browning out or something? Anyway, since it charges at all, I assume that means that the generator works, and that I should go look at the Voltage regulator first, and if that checks out, then move on to check the generator. I think I still have a used spare generator on the shelf. Will the local parts houses even know how to test those correctly anymore if I bring one down to them. Its been alot of years since I have had to work on a generator problem, so thought I would try to do the research on them. I did run across the comment about polarity/charge on the charging system, especially one that has sat around for a while. I had forgotten or never knew that, but since I am getting charge from my current system, I am more concerned with that on any generator I might have sitting on the shelf. Just thought it was odd that a discharge condition would cause the Pertronix module to brown out occasionally. Wanted to make sure that I shouldn't be looking at lighting system draw to ensure that don't have something weird that is actually causing a massive draw and just maxing out the Generator/regulator. Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 16:45:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274D4403A5 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:45:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from out04.mta.xmission.com (out04.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E74F4038C for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:39:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx03.mta.xmission.com ([166.70.13.213]) by out04.mta.xmission.com with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UkilB-0006cD-TF; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 16:34:21 -0600 Received: from mta2.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.66]) by mx03.mta.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UkilB-00006g-Jr; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 16:34:21 -0600 Received: from mta2.zcs.xmission.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta2.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D5E60001D; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:34:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LynnPC (c-76-23-31-210.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [76.23.31.210]) by mta2.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 007D760001C; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:34:20 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lynn" To: "'Jerry Mo Christopherson'" , "'Tiger Man'" , References: <000e01ce6304$27598400$760c8c00$@suddenlink.net> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:34:19 -0600 thread-index: AQOpUVvd4UMm6T/W66TXIkX/R9Ik3QF3nKywlWesSlA= Content-Language: en-us to false Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That was going to be my suggestion as well -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Mo Christopherson Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 4:21 PM To: 'Tiger Man'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on I'm pretty sure the Pertronix needs a solid 12 volts. If you are discharging with lights on you may not be getting full 12 to the ignition. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tiger Man Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 4:59 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on Hi all, I thought I would mention this one to the list, make sure I am going in the right direction. If I start my tiger and run the RPM's up, My amp meter shows about a 5 Amp charge (until the battery is charged back up). If I turn my headlights on (with the RPM's up) it shows about a 3 Amp discharge. The other interesting side effect is while driving around with the headlights on, the car cuts out dramatically but momentarily... like the Pertronix ign module is browning out or something? Anyway, since it charges at all, I assume that means that the generator works, and that I should go look at the Voltage regulator first, and if that checks out, then move on to check the generator. I think I still have a used spare generator on the shelf. Will the local parts houses even know how to test those correctly anymore if I bring one down to them. Its been alot of years since I have had to work on a generator problem, so thought I would try to do the research on them. I did run across the comment about polarity/charge on the charging system, especially one that has sat around for a while. I had forgotten or never knew that, but since I am getting charge from my current system, I am more concerned with that on any generator I might have sitting on the shelf. Just thought it was odd that a discharge condition would cause the Pertronix module to brown out occasionally. Wanted to make sure that I shouldn't be looking at lighting system draw to ensure that don't have something weird that is actually causing a massive draw and just maxing out the Generator/regulator. Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 16:53:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC1F403D4 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:53:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.241]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E13740397 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:52:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 22:48:17 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.161] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 22:48:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1062.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 22:48:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 56069 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2013 22:48:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370558897; bh=nIQ0plTpN4OSNam5dpZau8+nyf/dNbwOvkkmkXlqk8E=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jyVdsy+YRAYY8AUWo/NX9cXYVU0ZUBiznk7GrNTk9es3Ayx6SRwi5YepxD0HlJTeVr+uLKZrJM4HcVxHUJVB2Fpuo0vf8P8sxUYHSJ/5Edgi6oYbmLUDVd0bv5LBhGwIUg3MknAAmMYeANcG/z+BrL4RcW6YlrsxJEwbbqQxm10= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Jx22WBdCSUkk+KBC4Ysjtii6dsFSYBp5dAX3NcjYwQMRmBoDZxXwq4pNdvm5ULpB1NGuCz/DhGjQYXt2/C/+I32b2vuIksrCioEUi726nHaxHTCLTOKyArJs6rDGlgrWkrdcKTlIp0z5V6EAZn+7UNjqORxZSaEkw1pg+FTCkjw=; y6h6HT7GlpHtxoM07f6Caes4E4akbTVrJxvxKPwsgyBSQh7.5jTGdPhWS9iL 4OLJN7xJwpneIJzPxEM5H10xtD6yykN.HrfsHTyyea5stwkTFMTPlivDvOYA R4AKCJ2bQCsa8blytcXYHMFXOBpHskZAp4COQNspkzH0du0mJ4UsoZArMpRQ sOaTOJ0CJ8QmLV.hMnENuePfczE7maetgJ2AO2nH9nwMiJp9DNQV0jV796lK qaYK0pPk8rdwyegZ7.5VQIWsbdiyh4Y4cS7Nt5g3M3KtCrmKHvrhFKya64ts Rgz9mlYeRgocQzQUA04sxTKUuFmYhuggmCdvlTlyj6JqkLBGq_aFgZsMB0FB RbLVNLXEh.iXtvSPddk3tYps7fY3ge98lcdDW4k3MEmeinFi8DdbTHiHF688 2zTZtGiBgwwvGr97dJZdZdtQuc5yGE68VlNysHcjAphZf2iA.k9SGYuc4hXD d7Z.4WQMrABTNkdvSuzTaFnP4HtBEnHsgAd5zeN9u0Goz4ELTra_ALNa5JVd RTJzYDCDQa19Fn7VABXjFo4WbzSN0_lTx4lhSPnIuSuXS Received: from [96.249.205.61] by web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 15:48:16 PDT VGhlIFBlcnRyb25peCB3aWxsIG9wZXJhdGUgZmluZSB1bnRpbCBpdCBkaXBzIGJlbG93IDYgdm9sdHMuCgpEb3VnIEx5bGUKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IEx5bm4gPGNhcnNAd3QtaW5jLmNvbT4KVG86ICdKZXJyeSBNbyBDaHJpc3RvcGhlcnNvbicgPEpDTUMyMDA2QHN1ZGRlbmxpbmsubmV0PjsgJ1RpZ2VyIE1hbicgPHRpZ2VybWFuNjdAaG90bWFpbC5jb20.OyB0aWdlcnNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQgClNlbnQ6IFRodXJzZGF5LCBKdW5lIDYsIDIwMTMgMzozNCABMAEBAQE- References: <000e01ce6304$27598400$760c8c00$@suddenlink.net> <009901ce6305$fcb61220$f6223660$@wt-inc.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 15:48:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Douglas Lyle To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The Pertronix will operate fine until it dips below 6 volts. Doug Lyle ________________________________ From: Lynn To: 'Jerry Mo Christopherson' ; 'Tiger Man' ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on That was going to be my suggestion as well -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Mo Christopherson Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 4:21 PM To: 'Tiger Man'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on I'm pretty sure the Pertronix needs a solid 12 volts. If you are discharging with lights on you may not be getting full 12 to the ignition. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tiger Man Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 4:59 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on Hi all, I thought I would mention this one to the list, make sure I am going in the right direction. If I start my tiger and run the RPM's up, My amp meter shows about a 5 Amp charge (until the battery is charged back up). If I turn my headlights on (with the RPM's up) it shows about a 3 Amp discharge. The other interesting side effect is while driving around with the headlights on, the car cuts out dramatically but momentarily... like the Pertronix ign module is browning out or something? Anyway, since it charges at all, I assume that means that the generator works, and that I should go look at the Voltage regulator first, and if that checks out, then move on to check the generator. I think I still have a used spare generator on the shelf. Will the local parts houses even know how to test those correctly anymore if I bring one down to them. Its been alot of years since I have had to work on a generator problem, so thought I would try to do the research on them. I did run across the comment about polarity/charge on the charging system, especially one that has sat around for a while. I had forgotten or never knew that, but since I am getting charge from my current system, I am more concerned with that on any generator I might have sitting on the shelf. Just thought it was odd that a discharge condition would cause the Pertronix module to brown out occasionally. Wanted to make sure that I shouldn't be looking at lighting system draw to ensure that don't have something weird that is actually causing a massive draw and just maxing out the Generator/regulator. Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/douglasalyle@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 17:33:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975A540043 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:33:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm28-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm28-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532E040397 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:28:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 23:24:13 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.53] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 23:24:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 23:24:13 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370561053; bh=4NV1wNnkaAJKRyEWy41NCgmzfN+KaUXx9Q8+Nn1B2Ko=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding; b=wjyBo+R171XenCXaUQ4IlA9FrlG8KwYD+owvgSTscTYpIojRmQWz/kswDL9a+eXqr+1mLfRvdoEUD3nNnGmKiafeyHwVHOhvOZFfBB67dcU1s9/xInCC5YyjwE09YjBfhOkkHnyRKVrMpfaiW78GfES5FnDqpfybKaU/R3iNho4= slqaP1lRE.l2obyFlzN1eyRX6vs_olLHKNEX5kUPpIAHNdOLH.1Yit5HOA.S ZJ7Im7.OtCzQV6eIS1jUQNvephUZSGF8Np4SCsx6uSEVI_9UpfE8yEU940_k CJgUDMi211kPZLRnZbm7EYmf4UQapP4TnYXWQI2_y0zg7733wYdLAHXoDZqV gTute7FgGMF9CbnJJLpAZU_rZuNtUO5kO5N7SH0fvfUj7qVEloXdev12XYX6 yMNVNkPPccuOVPx1xjBV.XUHi1dXcNW1Tu62fY2dmsJcXpFhJqSCSjM7.dki HEurNQxqUIPImIPTlxnxa7.bpTYa60mKPyHBYrJsQC4bIeWBRaTlnTascjzM 5QChECilVmyXS8YA2Nzm5FICoZH.N2sfNo5IAHo.cskj7_pXXk0g6fX9W6DU FRbQSS5_cYnjNcDEYI3bu5EZTp.reE774C3_4IcLMBGmnS1.F.ICkk70UrwU Lm86qwt.38o_tOJiFuGa6aVHuej3QDoltJMEuPirkPGgmUszpVxikzjrpqFD fN22KyA8itk6imq4_ by smtp106.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Jun 2013 16:24:13 -0700 PDT User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.4.130416 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 19:24:10 -0400 From: Don Antilla To: Douglas Lyle , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Doug: I talked with Pertronix about a year ago regarding the Ignitor II for my Series 200 Griffith. When I talked with their Tech person, he was telling me that he could not assure the Ignitor II would work at 6 volts; he recommended trying to get as close to 12 volts as possible. I believe there are different voltage requirements for the Ignitor vs. the Ignitor II, so I recommend that you call Pertronix to be sure about what you need for primary voltage. Also, if you or the other Tiger guys use the Ignitor II, be certain to use radio resistance spark plug wires. I checked this with the Pertronix Tech guy (again) and he said it is a real requirement . The reason is that the micro-controller chip can be disrupted with the EMI pulses from solid core plug wires and therefore you must use radio resistance wires. Hope this helps. Regards, Don Antilla On 6/6/13 6:48 PM, "Douglas Lyle" wrote: >The Pertronix will operate fine until it dips below 6 volts. > >Doug Lyle >________________________________ > From: Lynn >To: 'Jerry Mo >Christopherson' ; 'Tiger Man' >; tigers@autox.team.net >Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 >3:34 PM >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn >headlights on > > >That was going to be my suggestion as well > >-----Original >Message----- >From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >[mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >On Behalf Of Jerry Mo Christopherson >Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 4:21 PM >To: 'Tiger Man'; tigers@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on >I'm pretty sure the Pertronix needs a solid 12 volts. If you are >discharging >with lights on you may not be getting full 12 to the ignition. > >Jerry >Christopherson >9473187 > >-----Original Message----- >From: >tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >On Behalf >Of Tiger Man >Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 4:59 PM >To: tigers@autox.team.net >Subject: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on > >Hi >all, > >I thought I would mention this one to the list, make sure I am going in >the >right direction. If I start my tiger and run the RPM's up, My amp meter >shows about a 5 Amp charge (until the battery is charged back up). If I >turn >my headlights on (with the RPM's up) it shows about a 3 Amp discharge. >The >other interesting side effect is while driving around with the >headlights on, >the car cuts out dramatically but momentarily... like the >Pertronix ign module >is browning out or something? > >Anyway, since it charges at all, I assume that >means that the generator >works, and that I should go look at the Voltage >regulator first, and if that >checks out, then move on to check the generator. >I think I still have a >used spare generator on the shelf. Will the local >parts houses even know >how to test those correctly anymore if I bring one down >to them. > >Its been alot of years since I have had to work on a generator >problem, so >thought I would try to do the research on them. I did run across >the >comment about polarity/charge on the charging system, especially one that >has sat >around for a while. I had forgotten or never knew that, but since I >am >getting charge from my current system, I am more concerned with that on >any >generator I might have sitting on the shelf. > >Just thought it was odd that a >discharge condition would cause the Pertronix >module to brown out >occasionally. Wanted to make sure that I shouldn't be >looking at lighting >system draw to ensure that don't have something weird >that is actually causing >a massive draw and just maxing out the >Generator/regulator. > >Thanks, >Steve >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/douglasalyle@yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fast427@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 19:38:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2544B403E2 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 19:38:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s22.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s22.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4C1403A5 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 19:38:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU172-W25 ([65.55.116.72]) by blu0-omc3-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 6 Jun 2013 18:33:45 -0700 From: Jeff Carter To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 18:33:45 -0700 References: FILETIME=[0D5CBAC0:01CE631F] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on (Tiger Man) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I had similar symptoms 90 miles outside of Winnemucca, NV in the dead of night. Limped into town without headlights so as not to kill engine. Next morning, local station identified a dead cell in the battery. New battery and away we went. Jeff rising_tiger@hotmail.com > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 15:59:12 -0600 > From: Tiger Man > To: "tigers@autox.team.net" > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi all, > > I thought I would mention this one to the list, make sure I am going in the > right direction. If I start my tiger and run the RPM's up, My amp meter shows > about a 5 Amp charge (until the battery is charged back up). If I turn my > headlights on (with the RPM's up) it shows about a 3 Amp discharge. The other > interesting side effect is while driving around with the headlights on, the > car cuts out dramatically but momentarily... like the Pertronix ign module is > browning out or something? > > Anyway, since it charges at all, I assume that means that the generator works, > and that I should go look at the Voltage regulator first, and if that checks > out, then move on to check the generator. I think I still have a used spare > generator on the shelf. Will the local parts houses even know how to test > those correctly anymore if I bring one down to them. > > Its been alot of years since I have had to work on a generator problem, so > thought I would try to do the research on them. I did run across the comment > about polarity/charge on the charging system, especially one that has sat > around for a while. I had forgotten or never knew that, but since I am > getting charge from my current system, I am more concerned with that on any > generator I might have sitting on the shelf. > > Just thought it was odd that a discharge condition would cause the Pertronix > module to brown out occasionally. Wanted to make sure that I shouldn't be > looking at lighting system draw to ensure that don't have something weird that > is actually causing a massive draw and just maxing out the > Generator/regulator. > > Thanks, > Steve _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 23:54:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A12403E0 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 23:54:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s4.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s4.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B805403D0 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 23:34:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY169-DS44 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:29:47 -0700 From: "Tiger Man" To: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" , References: <000e01ce6304$27598400$760c8c00$@suddenlink.net> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 23:29:32 -0600 FILETIME=[0678CD40:01CE6340] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Jerry, I suppose I should have looked it up to start with, but I found a troubleshooting sheet from Pertronix that claims 8V is the lower limit. While I think it would be tough to get the voltage that low in the system with a simple discharge, I am wondering if I simply left the ballast resistor on when I installed the Pertronix module. That would drop the observed voltage a couple of Volts from what the rest of the car sees. Might be interesting to remove the resistor and see what happens before I fix the charging system. I think this cutout problem will go away when I fix the charging system problem, but it would be worrysome to think that if you lost your generator on a drive home at night if the pertronix module is going to stop the car from running. You would hope that you could limp home as long as you didn't live too far away, just like you would with a points based car. Thanks, Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 4:21 PM To: "'Tiger Man'" ; Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on > I'm pretty sure the Pertronix needs a solid 12 volts. If you are > discharging with lights on you may not be getting full 12 to the ignition. > > Jerry Christopherson > 9473187 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Tiger Man > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 4:59 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on > > Hi all, > > I thought I would mention this one to the list, make sure I am going in > the > right direction. If I start my tiger and run the RPM's up, My amp meter > shows about a 5 Amp charge (until the battery is charged back up). If I > turn my headlights on (with the RPM's up) it shows about a 3 Amp > discharge. > The other interesting side effect is while driving around with the > headlights on, the car cuts out dramatically but momentarily... like the > Pertronix ign module is browning out or something? > > Anyway, since it charges at all, I assume that means that the generator > works, and that I should go look at the Voltage regulator first, and if > that > checks out, then move on to check the generator. I think I still have a > used spare generator on the shelf. Will the local parts houses even know > how to test those correctly anymore if I bring one down to them. > > Its been alot of years since I have had to work on a generator problem, so > thought I would try to do the research on them. I did run across the > comment about polarity/charge on the charging system, especially one that > has sat > around for a while. I had forgotten or never knew that, but since I am > getting charge from my current system, I am more concerned with that on > any > generator I might have sitting on the shelf. > > Just thought it was odd that a discharge condition would cause the > Pertronix > module to brown out occasionally. Wanted to make sure that I shouldn't be > looking at lighting system draw to ensure that don't have something weird > that is actually causing a massive draw and just maxing out the > Generator/regulator. > > Thanks, > Steve > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 00:25:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E692F40414 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 00:25:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18A9403D0 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 23:58:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY169-DS15 ([65.54.190.123]) by bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:53:51 -0700 From: "Tiger Man" To: "Smit, Theo" , References: <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A200BFE@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 23:53:36 -0600 FILETIME=[6334DAD0:01CE6343] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Theo, I didn't think to check what the headlights draw (according to the gauge) when the car isn't running. But that would be a quick way to get a rough calibration on the gauge. I'll have to do that next time I am out in the garage. But even if the gauge isn't exceptionally accurate, it does show me charge vs discharge, so I know I have a problem. Its just odd since I am now more use to alternator systems that generally either work, or don't work. Don't think I have ever had a charging system problem before where it 'sort of' works I beginning to wonder if I left my ballast resistor on when I connected the pertronix, so that might explain a larger voltage drop at the ignition than I could normally imagine from just a charging system problem. I suppose it would be smart no matter what the outcome is of any of the problems to just go ahead and check various grounds on the car, because weird grounds do cause strange problems. Sometimes I spend too much time thinking, Why would it do that, rather than just go make sure things are right (like grounds) Thanks for help Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Smit, Theo" Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 4:08 PM To: "Tiger Man" ; Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on > First check that your ammeter is working at all and that it's wired > properly. With the ignition off, turn on the headlights. You should show > about 10 amps discharge. The horns should also draw about 6-10 amps if > they're adjusted properly, IIRC. The spec current draw for each horn is > given in the factory manual. > > It does sound like your regulator isn't doing the job. For proper > charging, the ignition system voltage needs to be about 13.5 to 14 volts > when the engine is running; you can check this with a voltmeter. Turning > on the lights should not cause a significant voltage drop. I'd expect to > see a couple of amps of charge current even at idle, and more immediately > after you've started the engine. If it won't charge unless you rev the > engine, maybe check the generator brushes? > > If you have sudden cutouts then maybe something isn't grounded properly. > Check the ground connections on the engine to chassis, from the generator > to the chassis, and from the battery to the chassis. Are your headlights > operating at full brightness? When the engine cuts out, do the headlights > suddenly dim? This might be hard to check without a helper... > > Theo > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- >> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tiger Man >> Sent: June 6, 2013 3:59 PM >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on >> >> Hi all, >> >> I thought I would mention this one to the list, make sure I am going in >> the right direction. If I start my tiger and run the RPM's up, My amp >> meter shows about a 5 Amp charge (until the battery is charged back >> up). If I turn my headlights on (with the RPM's up) it shows about a 3 >> Amp discharge. The other interesting side effect is while driving >> around with the headlights on, the car cuts out dramatically but >> momentarily... like the Pertronix ign module is browning out or >> something? > > > ________________________________ > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole > use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be > confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in > error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. 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If you're using a stock or stock-replacement type of coil then you need to use the ballast resistor. But you can wire it as shown here: http://members.shaw.ca/tsmit/tachmod/tachmod3.html#pe which will still provide 12V to the Pertronix module as well as keeping the original ballast resistor wiring and starter bypass for the ballast resistor in place. On the ammeter, also check that it does read zero when everything is off - otherwise your charge/discharge measurements won't be quite right. Good luck, Theo ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 11:00:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3A24042D for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:00:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE04403D5 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:00:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY172-DS4 ([65.54.190.189]) by bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 9 Jun 2013 09:55:14 -0700 From: "Thomas Prager" To: "tigers_United_forum" Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:54:41 -0500 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:54:41 -0500 FILETIME=[1CE4CD10:01CE6532] Subject: [Tigers] article on Tigers at the USA today web site Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.usatoday.com/story/driveon/2013/06/08/sunbeam-tiger-mike-michels-t ell-us-about-your-car/2401749/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 13:16:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C7E40438 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 13:16:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm36.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm36.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4221E40382 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 13:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm36.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2013 19:07:48 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.235] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2013 19:07:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2013 19:07:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 15771 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2013 19:07:48 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370804868; bh=V70xlaSaoL1+syVirGFmxNtBs/uR11NmxIZxscVAMXQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AQ1/8TFuF4db62CwWI/odBr3SLMfsjLBv3WJ5tPdHdsBkSwOZermgwkp1kuOGzAhJzUDsdv2LIN6iR4xsy4DlOHdtdNGifePQyvPAtOX6XJeSyp/wQvB2SI/wnH3CAaRxhOCC3/EeejI1Q6Rrmfy2sbmff1Lr6fiOfsCtXs0K8A= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1dWA2sRxcxUv8mJ4LywOGUmOJZ8hvpdU6TDvNHY8kpWs9qCT7PN0hTBTGYINuF3P/86hqO8d6gGWpdjHVNeHPMy81Re+ge+x63Oqs9Mzp6j+xC2niMo59osVZpJSxqkjtUZbQEC9oPQUxz9THgU7Hh9vlt3acu1wHI4jrT+D8Lc=; NoczdpRcdKjo6F.PqIcfuWKWxjG.26OlnODYBzYzx4humknJEPGp0RmyjioN 5kuhVdf76ULkw.Wy_2pBtSKjwVZ2WuF12OTcsHd57BYPfXYQWClvPIv7UrkI fQbJh.WUjBKn.OLY6lxR1xayK_9qBfXxP5WfeP.8iTc_RTqerBTBiN3xSnjr 0x_sfw5ROXx6goepMlJ_0QeEhylcNoRLKE63u2uPCSxYLUNZ2j72JOFPGKLW OasKcg7LTJOif7gBouWcv4NfuVzExdvRunQG74slvHCzuwisNn5qKhB51mWZ qM9Mdw.dAu6csonnU4w7Vhoj5gHSj2g3XsNSGvL240cQSco3d50x6CbAQLIE jSwjps1jlbSvoRmPW4BX0DvaXJY48mcwqySR3RPxWGbHlwGQZB4JXH0ZmFob DRr1QqK.BEkHGdgA0xGCx749xpNAp0BQLNWB8Mz40Tg-- Received: from [98.110.172.183] by web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 12:07:48 PDT TmljZSBjYXIsIGJlbG9uZ3MgdG8gTWlrZSBNaWNoZWxzLCBzb3V0aGVybiBDYWxpZm9ybmlhLiBJdCB3YXMgZmVhdHVyZWQgZWFybGllciAoSSB0aGluayB0aGlzIHllYXIpIG9uIEpheSBMZW5vJ3MgR2FyYWdlLCBzbyBpZiB5b3UgaGF2ZW4ndCBsZWFybmVkIGVub3VnaCBhYm91dCBNaWtlJ3MgY2FyCm9uIFVTQSBUb2RheSwgZ28gdG8geW91dHViZSBhbmQgc2VhcmNoIGZvciBpdC4gSXQgaXMgYSBzd2VldCAxQShPaCwgc29ycnksIFRlcnJ5LiBBIEIzODIwKQoKUmFuZGUKATABAQEB Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 12:07:48 -0700 (PDT) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Tiger in USA Today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Nice car, belongs to Mike Michels, southern California. It was featured earlier (I think this year) on Jay Leno's Garage, so if you haven't learned enough about Mike's car on USA Today, go to youtube and search for it. It is a sweet 1A(Oh, sorry, Terry. A B3820) Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 14:18:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B40E4043A for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:18:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8DF40410 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id lf11so3197134vcb.12 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 13:11:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=zaSOlXlQ/WQOI9YRljtR/RUXjU759hLC5lB27UxHhoU=; b=DukXuk244ExeEJOKpkySeoRo2TGajbImqbH0LKCqhosw6g/nHKdokSTIXvAiC/8VbK 7/bchpomsCrGkgmjJ/jq03e5QjY5/AGIM2iM2UXuklkFQvzI6bmZPQmWCKllRklFqlkZ eNrBttEg8ifN4kSS0p+1z0+dEEfHAFH9i78Efh1QjvaJm3AyLWuveM+RzZ3QkR3+NqKX A7xMfW5m/QK552OfIs5+d5S2Gwz3sM8X0GVLxYLtlUEFHxzAOwlHkpRtnHLdfd1aJz+P KsXSaMNcTzXyCgt77XyNeg05d+c7MgtOf43kdpt65z6WKvqLSLJksCaWo5nX1kFgVVqV 6+Hg== tz9mr4064286vec.13.1370808669131; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 13:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.155.12 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 13:11:08 -0700 (PDT) References: <1370804868.9031.YahooMailNeo@web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 16:11:08 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: snakebit289 Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger in USA Today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net pity there's no 'action footage' other that the throttle blip at the start. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:07 PM, snakebit289 wrote: > Nice car, belongs to Mike Michels, southern California. It was featured > earlier (I think this year) on Jay Leno's Garage, so if you haven't learned > enough about Mike's car > on USA Today, go to youtube and search for it. It is a sweet 1A(Oh, sorry, > Terry. A B3820) > > Rande > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 15:18:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306544040C for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 15:18:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880B2403F2 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 15:13:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo210 ([68.230.241.161]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130609210816.XSEK13301.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210> for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 17:08:16 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([68.6.147.111]) by fed1rmimpo210 with cox id mM8F1l00P2QSDzY01M8FRt; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:08:15 -0400 a=vCAN4TNpymDLnQuROd7hUQ==:17 a=xFrwVLZJWjEA:10 a=GqBZ-G6ampsA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=Mmq7DTYNhMIA:10 a=J6e2C6oUHQekDfFq3qQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=vCAN4TNpymDLnQuROd7hUQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 14:08:15 -0700 From: David Sosna User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Tigers] article on Tigers at the USA today web site Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well, since it's a Southern California car, hopefully it'll be at Tigers United in a couple of weeks. :-) David Sosna _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 15:50:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824FE4044C for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 15:50:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3CA4040C for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 15:46:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2517070000085; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 17:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfd003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.120.75]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D204BE000088; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 17:41:38 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 17:41:38 -0400 (EDT) To: sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370814099; bh=vlQX9TkI4XZe2ogpi6TfKrBcWGYAoERCwIq/A6fNbSc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MLs9lObqNrdXWtwCLQwofLryh/Gy2g1qKTbL62WtGg37Z/j7WKUa7qPrDFDw82BrR 4VN+ueLyh1wE2Ysg2n4cw8yD9TrdjJnwchOe1cVhZx1c9t0uW+ziK1Y3L77zHp7j/r LJXuaIy5VvUCmJQTROGCzEg4ABaY96OakNNtbAlk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a51b4f6922fd0 Subject: Re: [Tigers] article on Tigers at the USA today web site Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Where?when will that be held? In a message dated 6/9/2013 2:13:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net writes: Well, since it's a Southern California car, hopefully it'll be at Tigers United in a couple of weeks. :-) David Sosna _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 08:21:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8029540567 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from out02.mta.xmission.com (out02.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6D24042A for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:20:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx01.mta.xmission.com ([166.70.13.211]) by out02.mta.xmission.com with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Um2sq-00016M-5D; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:15:44 -0600 Received: from mta1.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.65]) by mx01.mta.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Um2sp-0004MH-UL; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:15:43 -0600 Received: from mta1.zcs.xmission.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta1.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C309B170255; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:15:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LynnPC (c-76-23-31-210.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [76.23.31.210]) by mta1.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8E1E017023A; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:15:43 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lynn" To: , , References: Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:15:38 -0600 Thread-Index: AQL00VYr0hNMTx4H5bdlL7/acLxHYpbiJzew Content-Language: en-us to false Subject: Re: [Tigers] article on Tigers at the USA today web site Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net June 20 -23 at Big Bear -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 3:42 PM To: sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] article on Tigers at the USA today web site Where?when will that be held? In a message dated 6/9/2013 2:13:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net writes: Well, since it's a Southern California car, hopefully it'll be at Tigers United in a couple of weeks. :-) David Sosna _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 14:07:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985EB4041C for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:07:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F9D40395 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:03:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130610195804.IQXZ31063.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:58:04 -0400 Received: from 3bfd27b5ca44402 ([68.0.203.224]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id mjy31l00d4r0BB001jy3R9; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:58:03 -0400 a=gg9dJcsBQvBgteaj+bfURg==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=OyKJkY-98nIA:10 a=G5CpqORIx16EpE5dJqgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=oQQRDn-KDNnIEnPs_KgA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=gg9dJcsBQvBgteaj+bfURg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Alvin Johnson" To: Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:58:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I just bought a set of well-used tools off Craig's list for my son. While checking them out, I noticed a virtually new, humungous 32mm socket. I suspect this was a one-use unique item for a particular need on a particular car---any ideas? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 14:11:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCC740450 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:11:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com (mail-ve0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E70940324 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:11:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id c13so5085642vea.21 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:06:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ESIxSNlH3ADmoNLcg1R8pEFpP2u3LruCvCcplHDBT7A=; b=xX8Bj3e945M3LXlk/EJfqB8iDOVUi7Oz2JPUMBz9gGsYqz1MYD/EmmdJZK3WeoXRxV O6aW4a7q6HY3aEAoH/zG3N9WvTSmcM/zN8UMZ6P5WiR+va3lTJDtqfz6yvK1E+SgC1Vo 8UhjsiiZCWqJJSFPPXkiP4GRnk6BUVMe51UbThaEZLZzk3DgEgfsnrDbQ1rY2hnJOUUS X3vrxNRpMj/qbAplGaLkngQFx8beNSMxGyaTqcayaFGc9M4wrhfl08c8waO20hcktgc6 f/CwBljKPobCrLn1sYtvBb3FohIxVvC2J6EPyJmLrsLyR047MnSKhPyfwk2D5BUDPXPP FDXg== za8mr5638780vdb.41.1370894767180; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.155.12 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:06:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <99C4BEED5D08436B82D527BC7FBE1220@3bfd27b5ca44402> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:06:07 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: Alvin Johnson Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have one of those too. 1-1/4". Might have been either a hub nut, a balancer bolt, or an oil filter housing. Don't remember exactly why I bought it. I seem to remember hub nut for a jaguar IRS might be that size? On Monday, June 10, 2013, Alvin Johnson wrote: > I just bought a set of well-used tools off Craig's list for my son. > While checking them out, I noticed a virtually new, humungous 32mm socket. > I suspect this was a one-use unique item for a particular need on a > particular > car---any ideas? > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 14:11:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84C24052A for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:11:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com (mail-la0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD2D4041E for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:11:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id gw10so6087595lab.2 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:06:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=F/3NMs70auHqT/GoE/Afojv4MrYVwkoYfWaklZ6z0Q0=; b=BUvSPHNiTylS82CAkArVXkGh5kWvJsaeOURPJv7GDuh1BJJ1ofQrI6iLwSML1+QRdf y5OOj9CHwuGIl6pfJhQYWCAj9yB3vtJx8LAhF9VXgUQvA3cHrP1S9/BOqXUUjcwOJKP+ hsCJBHfuIoIVm7Bd/IHYHoPXdd9nTc8isb6biYmHOw/x9H/z3IbhNneInMKaBg3JQl6O Q/kHLa4ukGcS/kSE3ygeoR9NnZSbAwEnIM0edAP60gZNLKZh1bqUz4Vzmar6UdpooATW 8A4UnMrHHmnDZNrgXPYziEjzTkaFwOp1wLV6k3OsVTKbZOEn2QF6p2nbWbxis6jjq5hR KGxw== ju12mr2822755lab.54.1370894774535; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.67.133 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:05:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <99C4BEED5D08436B82D527BC7FBE1220@3bfd27b5ca44402> From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:05:44 -0400 To: Alvin Johnson Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net They are pretty common for axle nuts on Hondas Michael Shortt Savannah, GA On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Alvin Johnson wrote: > I just bought a set of well-used tools off Craig's list for my son. > While checking them out, I noticed a virtually new, humungous 32mm socket. > I suspect this was a one-use unique item for a particular need on a > particular > car---any ideas? > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com > > > -- Michael L. 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Thank you _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 14:15:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3152540518 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:15:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CC3403F3 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:15:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5AK3FJM024689; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:10:13 -0700 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018949c) id dm0224.5192ebb6.336d53; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:10:11 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Alvin Johnson'" , Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:09:58 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5mFXHOIXttG9SgTZGkDmsGRiY4hwAAHHMg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-10_05:2013-06-10,2013-06-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1306100199 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Alvin Not only do I have a 32mm socket, I also have a 36mm and a 1 5/16" which is almost 38mm. They are for axle nuts. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alvin Johnson Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 3:58 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool I just bought a set of well-used tools off Craig's list for my son. While checking them out, I noticed a virtually new, humungous 32mm socket. I suspect this was a one-use unique item for a particular need on a particular car---any ideas? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3199/6398 - Release Date: 06/10/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 15:12:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7050D40421 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:12:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522AF40398 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:12:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MO700KHQ40N6N82@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:07:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:07:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I use a socket that size to torque my original Tiger air clean down to 450 Ft. Lb's so no one steals it. Seriously though, as others have said, axle nuts. Perticularly for front wheel drive cars. Did it come with the appropriately sized breaker bar? Some of those nuts require a force beyond human capability. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 15:24:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B646F4044D for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:24:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe003.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B016340398 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:22:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail96-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.254) by TX2EHSOBE012.bigfish.com (10.9.40.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:17:06 +0000 Received: from mail96-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail96-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A21E200B4; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:17:06 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail96-tx2: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail96-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail96-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1370899022861179_1200; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS026.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.242]) by mail96-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35F42A0048; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by TX2EHSMHS026.bigfish.com (10.9.99.126) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:16:59 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com (10.5.4.104) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:17:08 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.4.104]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:16:58 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "owain.lloyd@gmail.com" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Thread-Index: AQHOZhVw3YaCcEAI3kKfkiQPCkAsA5kvs4mA//+/iAA= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:16:57 +0000 References: <99C4BEED5D08436B82D527BC7FBE1220@3bfd27b5ca44402> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That would be for the Tiger's rear axle nuts. 125 or 150 foot-pounds torque spec IIRC... you definitely need the big breaker bar to go along with that socket. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > Sent: June 10, 2013 2:06 PM > To: Alvin Johnson > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool > > I have one of those too. 1-1/4". Might have been either a hub nut, a > balancer bolt, or an oil filter housing. Don't remember exactly why I > bought it. I seem to remember hub nut for a jaguar IRS might be that > size? > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 15:27:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B324051F for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:27:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f175.google.com (mail-ve0-f175.google.com [209.85.128.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF1240398 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f175.google.com with SMTP id da11so5226439veb.34 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:22:16 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=bpWHHHLqouPTB118gHrUvkwSxyZ12t3IS8bi03SDYBs=; b=u1sZqDTyGY+FkxnthB5wN6whD63TPBiiQhKz7J2mA0jz9v2S+9opUqS/rZ73E/VRFe vtOyTFHJUBwykuBvZL/L0Z/O5jjNCrfcOFVHNxYwPy8srdfV1RIWH9WldfMmIwjs2SJz Guz5fFrmlf1MlEas1+eEvoHfX/1LwUYZGwymfvrKAIfqq6s+Rm+EE+lj49hRYa3x4aOW dBMl7yffWHwoDcrkVg32oC2Zz0GaXt/nyO25R+KtMvfOqlwFmiohHBjOvDlURqpWIcPG 4fZo8CWJ1+TEo4uSFGcDZQCzyA+Sd2/t3p/iXL2R4EtggEA87oHP2KF0xydB4DylIdaL uRgQ== b10mr6757120vef.47.1370899336077; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:22:16 -0700 (PDT) References: <99C4BEED5D08436B82D527BC7FBE1220@3bfd27b5ca44402> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A2019BC@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:22:16 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Smit, Theo" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have had to use a similar breaker bar and 5' long pipe extention for VW/Porsche rear axles, which are 36 mm. I once broke the breaker bar before I broke free the nut. And this was a particularly massive breaker bar - I guess not massive enough. On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > That would be for the Tiger's rear axle nuts. 125 or 150 foot-pounds torque > spec IIRC... you definitely need the big breaker bar to go along with that > socket. > > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > > Sent: June 10, 2013 2:06 PM > > To: Alvin Johnson > > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool > > > > I have one of those too. 1-1/4". Might have been either a hub nut, a > > balancer bolt, or an oil filter housing. Don't remember exactly why I > > bought it. I seem to remember hub nut for a jaguar IRS might be that > > size? > > > > > ________________________________ > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole > use of > the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential > and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please > notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, > copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) > by > someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 15:29:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BAE140440 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:29:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF87F403CF for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:29:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([216.222.143.234]) by p3plsmtpa11-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id mlQD1l00P53ey7L01lQDSB; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:24:15 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:23:37 -0400 From: Chris Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: "Smit, Theo" References: <99C4BEED5D08436B82D527BC7FBE1220@3bfd27b5ca44402> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A2019BC@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I've got sockets that go up over two inches or so (heavy equipment) - what's so weird? Was it 1/2" drive or something? Chris B382000331 On 6/10/2013 5:16 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > That would be for the Tiger's rear axle nuts. 125 or 150 foot-pounds torque > spec IIRC... you definitely need the big breaker bar to go along with that > socket. > > Theo _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 15:31:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A084044D for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A86B4041A for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:31:42 -0600 (MDT) a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:17 a=253cKie21zsA:10 a=nWZo5VSqEgYA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=JBB_hZ2Jm4YA:10 a=wwmHlKlIFlRWLz5W68cA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:117 Received: from [72.224.119.118] ([72.224.119.118:62258] helo=[192.168.1.114]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 2D/C9-25428-09446B15; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:26:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:26:39 -0400 From: Tod Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Bad Fuel Pump? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello All: Yesterday, Dexter Polistock and I took our Tigers to a small foreign car show on the village green in Camden, Maine. Camden is somewhat famous as the setting for the scandalous fifties movie, Peyton Place and is a lovely little village with a beautiful harbor on Penobscot Bay. On the way back to my home (about 15 miles), I had just made the turn off US Route 1 and was about a mile from home when my Tiger coughed once or twice and died. I pulled over and tried to restart without success. Further investigation revealed there was no gas in the carb and the fuel pump was not making its usual ticking noise. We wiggled the wires and gave the pump a couple of whacks without success. Pretty clearly it seemed, the fuel pump had given up the ghost. Eventually, we got the Tiger home to the garage thanks to Triple A. A couple of hours later, I went out to the garage and, for no particular reason, turned on the ignition only to be greeted with the normal clatter of the pump. Joseph Lucas playing with my mind, again. The pump I have had in the car for about 30 years was a replacement for the SU that bit the dust way back when and has been dead reliable for all that time. On the pump it says "Auto Pump" and has a sticker that says "AP 11" and "Made in N.Z." It obviously has the traditional points (hence the ticking) to do the switching but was one of the new breed of solid state pumps that so improved the longevity (no self-respecting SU would have lasted 30 years, I don't think, without frying its points). My guess is that the heat from the exhaust finally got to it and it packed it in, only to recover when things cooled off. However, before I bite the bullet and buy a new pump from Rick, I wanted to know if there is any other possible explanation that I can check out before buying a new pump? Also, does anyone have any info about this particular fuel pump and whether it can be repaired? In talking to the folks at SS and VB, it seems that SU replacement pumps are currently unavailable due to the gas being used in Britain playing havoc with their pumps, so I'm wondering what are the alternatives? I have heard of some people using a pump made by Facet and was wondering if anyone had the model number or if there are other alternatives? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Tod B38200238XFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 15:40:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7403F4044B for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe006.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5994041E for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:34:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail206-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.228) by VA3EHSOBE004.bigfish.com (10.7.40.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:29:44 +0000 Received: from mail206-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail206-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1732CE009A; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:29:44 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail206-va3: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail206-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail206-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 13708997833160_25471; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS025.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.230]) by mail206-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B7948004A; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:29:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by VA3EHSMHS025.bigfish.com (10.7.99.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:29:32 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com (10.5.143.142) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.220) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:29:29 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.143.142]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:29:30 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "chris@cthompson.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Thread-Index: AQHOZhVw3YaCcEAI3kKfkiQPCkAsA5kvs4mA//+/iACAAFYfgP//rJrg Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:29:29 +0000 References: <99C4BEED5D08436B82D527BC7FBE1220@3bfd27b5ca44402> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A2019BC@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> <51B643D9.6080301@cthompson.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Not particularly weird, but it's the largest fastener on the car by some margin (I think the next largest would be 15/16") and has the highest torque spec by about 50% over any other nut or bolt on the car, which means that a lot of people have nothing in their toolbox that will come close to either fitting or being able to torque or untorque that nut. Not that that matters, either... nobody in their right mind plays with the rear axle nuts on the Tiger. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Thompson [mailto:chris@cthompson.net] > Sent: June 10, 2013 3:24 PM > To: Smit, Theo > Cc: owain.lloyd@gmail.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool > > I've got sockets that go up over two inches or so (heavy equipment) - > what's so weird? Was it 1/2" drive or something? > > Chris > B382000331 > > On 6/10/2013 5:16 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > > That would be for the Tiger's rear axle nuts. 125 or 150 foot-pounds > > torque spec IIRC... you definitely need the big breaker bar to go > > along with that socket. > > > > Theo > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 15:40:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E196A40537 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:40:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f53.google.com (mail-la0-f53.google.com [209.85.215.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB254041E for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:35:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f53.google.com with SMTP id fs12so4743278lab.12 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:30:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=fg3KC+h95XkclEsg1ij6dqZD/Y563ihvoro2nxc5Re0=; b=r7fCmZd6/CUdJHGcEKV5LHa3wc2oXspA6Jy88wozT8PEZvLjboAT3s5ti3nZIRJMn1 FHon8dhvKtaVjsI3jNMQGeJ2MuqK6FuKMh0UJiyF2lI0oyentA8SF3jBT0/MA1q0FSAH MLC4vIhGGwxads+NqRIDSp7J9GM0C51ylg0gm1S3jjWBPCETLxRvG/n9xjLFbX26LUhi kMTuiAY8K9Yj9zXnY/LWbiab0uAmbiiGeoOgDX3Ro2XpX/uuuc3zYQuTJKoLWBjMD2TO zD4alFJyWuvjkgBFgtZ7N1HFmxSCr/aBrteehClt/9+UDfYtWP0nFvpaRSGTFmVHCF5n CNwA== Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.67.133 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:29:43 -0700 (PDT) References: <99C4BEED5D08436B82D527BC7FBE1220@3bfd27b5ca44402> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A2019BC@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> <51B643D9.6080301@cthompson.net> From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:29:43 -0400 To: Chris Thompson Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Best recipe for a solution to loosen stuck bolts is 50% benzene and 50% ATF, it is quite volatile, just make as much as you need, you can't or shouldn't keep it stored. Michael Shortt On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Chris Thompson wrote: > I've got sockets that go up over two inches or so (heavy equipment) - > what's so weird? Was it 1/2" drive or something? > > Chris > B382000331 > > > On 6/10/2013 5:16 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > >> That would be for the Tiger's rear axle nuts. 125 or 150 foot-pounds >> torque >> spec IIRC... you definitely need the big breaker bar to go along with that >> socket. >> >> Theo >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/michael@** > michaelshortt.com > > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. 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Thank you _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 15:41:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1089940445 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:41:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f179.google.com (mail-ve0-f179.google.com [209.85.128.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B07940510 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f179.google.com with SMTP id d10so5300520vea.10 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:36:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gkkZpN5yMHTGxux0UutiTozNxNmDPG6LL249l/sSn2s=; b=0ntwQRc5lkAzpyZXLtBQritO18ZQXYqnXQnVuXMtXnp81I7wBBWqj7XAcDJwOz0c8r n6tcBOwUcgKXvCA1T2a4LRtOsbLt8C+b5VKY/fy7CBghDOQTrmoEYBH5Vq3eBgZdpoAb Epew1e7vS9S+SCZcGUPId3jD+1ZrEEhJjZsCcXWdMKZK4dBlpKAD1updgubLQt21Z89F TehtEOcT4s6LrnIE2dPUulKixKgWaemaJgi9H1FIed+7AP+kTLJTBUi9D+S4trC3rlaA 0DVuKyv97yxZU3KdY/13Nfm8uGPK3Wg+nSzg+LhUYVu3vraTM3yqYPJ5gWW48oWp70fr EUKQ== bx5mr5809671vcb.71.1370900169319; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:36:09 -0700 (PDT) References: <51B6448F.4090900@roadrunner.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:36:09 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Tod Brown Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bad Fuel Pump? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Too bad my dad's not here. He loved to talk about using obligatory bumpershoots to whack SU fuel pumps to get them going again, and talk about the leather origins of the Skinners Union. And, he definitely had an affinity for those in Australia and New Zealand. So, I'm sure he would have come up with some lower hemisphere alternative to the bumpershoot. Then, of course, all your problems would be solved! As an aside, I did rebuild the stock fuel pump using the kit from SS, and am happy with the results. However, I realize you don't have the SU pump to rebuild it. There are so many opinions on fuel pumps it makes my head spin. I've had a Facet on my Alpine for about 20 years with no issues at all. I was going to go with a Carter rotary pump for my 912, but decided to rebuild and stick with the stock mechanical pump. If any of them fail, I'll probably use the Carter - with a fuel regulator of course. On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Tod Brown wrote: > Hello All: > > Yesterday, Dexter Polistock and I took our Tigers to a small foreign car > show on the village green in Camden, Maine. Camden is somewhat famous as > the setting for the scandalous fifties movie, Peyton Place and is a lovely > little village with a beautiful harbor on Penobscot Bay. On the way back to > my home (about 15 miles), I had just made the turn off US Route 1 and was > about a mile from home when my Tiger coughed once or twice and died. I > pulled over and tried to restart without success. Further investigation > revealed there was no gas in the carb and the fuel pump was not making its > usual ticking noise. We wiggled the wires and gave the pump a couple of > whacks without success. Pretty clearly it seemed, the fuel pump had given > up the ghost. Eventually, we got the Tiger home to the garage thanks to > Triple A. A couple of hours later, I went out to the garage and, for no > particular reason, turned on the ignition only to be greeted with the > normal clatter of the pump. Joseph Lucas playing with my mind, again. > > The pump I have had in the car for about 30 years was a replacement for > the SU that bit the dust way back when and has been dead reliable for all > that time. On the pump it says "Auto Pump" and has a sticker that says "AP > 11" and "Made in N.Z." It obviously has the traditional points (hence the > ticking) to do the switching but was one of the new breed of solid state > pumps that so improved the longevity (no self-respecting SU would have > lasted 30 years, I don't think, without frying its points). My guess is > that the heat from the exhaust finally got to it and it packed it in, only > to recover when things cooled off. However, before I bite the bullet and > buy a new pump from Rick, I wanted to know if there is any other possible > explanation that I can check out before buying a new pump? > > Also, does anyone have any info about this particular fuel pump and > whether it can be repaired? > > In talking to the folks at SS and VB, it seems that SU replacement pumps > are currently unavailable due to the gas being used in Britain playing > havoc with their pumps, so I'm wondering what are the alternatives? I have > heard of some people using a pump made by Facet and was wondering if anyone > had the model number or if there are other alternatives? Any help would be > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Tod > B38200238XFE > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/jay.laifman@** > gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 16:00:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9FB40442 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFA34041A for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:59:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C249E700000B3 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mib003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mib003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.122.9]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A2420E00008B for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:54:58 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net From: pldflyer@aol.com Received: from 72.145.165.105 by webmail-vm001.sysops.aol.com (149.174.183.30) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:54:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:54:58 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370901298; bh=dp5dAYLOZA23bBIiS6sKmzcbi787D5DxeZ6u3HK647Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Tt7Q6DP38awlVXkhXa6/A6rEm4cxfZq3hV1LfJ74zG1l+ScdoyLR8tdCPHxXsPi/O By96oJmeOukdvz1YrsAFNNAh6n+4q0zj8vZcPSWVi6iKB2A05GNn93RsRG1MYvkUZ1 Eft6bWqpamyTjs+TOf+ZieEnLxATA1QIO+ivrUjc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c851b64b3212ab Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I use with no problem the Delphi FD0002 available at summit racing or any parts house... _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 16:10:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5CA40511 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:10:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078994041A for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:06:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id p13so3498315vbe.28 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:01:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=V5lXBj1YJLU9bobNAh2j+JdUb6C8BD7jqRLbkzOHL7w=; b=MMKJuP8yqsJciN3SRCNk1vdDjOwPtvTJCM3eWWiF12IlWCR+FEMw8Oneeo6RJ3QtBE /E0ewP8dLgf/zla8fk3GY6lTjVFbq55lYoHsf7j4AQAvvg/tsVUWT9XfvTLq4EOBOW5t GIoMc9IyXdtXgw1H/72BXKdtQNGt3LiMUossXTsMRVuEv4dVHoMFyJOj3cwVvAr8K1bK 6OtCObileXP/E7lMmZemVeYGQmjHnnOKeriNLyUqUOA5HbnO22aLeswoen2FzjN0N4l4 mxizGhOlbZhukc3Xz56W7XORQJ/wBvtz6xUA2wbeec8BCHxfL3pmxCXWoWxxbvAW9M+i ++wA== q11mr5799037vdd.120.1370901716077; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:01:56 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: [Tigers] To rebuild, or not rebuild, the Holley Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I received the rebuild kit from Holley today. The only reason I ordered the kit was because of leaking fuel. I have no indication that there is anything else wrong with it. In looking at the kit, I'm trying to decide if I just replace the bowl gasket and accelerator pump. Or if I should really tear it down for everything in the kit. My dad would often say not to fix what is not broken. But, then since it started leaking on the outside, I'm not exactly sure how many of the o rings on the inside may be having trouble. The bummer is that it was not leaking on the back fuel bowl for the secondary. But, in removing the cover, the gasket stuck to much of it. Somewhere I have a can of something called gasket remover. I just can't find it. I might run by Pep Boys on the way home and see if I can find it. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 16:16:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77EBB40421 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:16:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7E04041A for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:16:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mi8w1l0031uE5Es5EmB1MK; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:11:01 +0000 Received: from OldHickory.comcast.net ([24.125.152.229]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mmB01l00X4xDDKL3cmB1di; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:11:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:58:16 -0400 To: rfraser@bluefrog.com,"'Alvin Johnson'" , From: Marc James Small References: <99C4BEED5D08436B82D527BC7FBE1220@3bfd27b5ca44402> s=q20121106; t=1370902261; bh=c8j4lxu6GUlbQrQqnXZ1AhtWttzr8tWul4Uc6F3mGfU=; h=Received:Received:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Up6Gwj6ZjtrJpLQSvkO7qnWY94V0NwzgrlbSpIC/o+IV1NBvpGrH6O0OqIOfK1oUo p2KkTwZUPn2Nnd1fpSucCejCaINv9ekOHTNqEe+spBakWgsUSIsgkSm1nQ6PwaEblS bEe0pJvD7lEpmHIlorcTjiblvTjmkGm8YXmukxKXbm0M6D4T6ZvOgsxCl5iAh6xanY HZXw41FEFmQpgSk3Lz8WU4snHqcIAY6KWsm/tfVrS5MDF7zCnFWbWCPziemHDjWJLb 1LAN36L4kqaAGdyN4VBcj4rG4yH3Iz7l54TzMCOLjxoEFgKeOx9ZmcHJWyvZAVMlBF 14rP4RtHP3zaQ== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At 04:09 PM 6/10/2013, Ron Fraser wrote: >Alvin > Not only do I have a 32mm socket, I also have a 36mm and a 1 5/16" >which is almost 38mm. >They are for axle nuts. The 36mm works for the generator nut on the air-cooled VW. Check a fellow's tool kit. If he has a 36mm socket, he is a Beetle-head. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 16:31:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC0440438 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:31:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA884041A for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:31:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528EFA1912 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:28:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:28:48 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" References: <99C4BEED5D08436B82D527BC7FBE1220@3bfd27b5ca44402> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A2019BC@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> <51B643D9.6080301@cthompson.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net michael@michaelshortt.com wrote: > Best recipe for a solution to loosen stuck bolts is 50% benzene and 50% ATF, > it is quite volatile, just make as much as you need, you can't or shouldn't > keep it stored. Or ATF and acetone, which is more readily available, usually in the paint section of a well stocked hardware store. mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 16:42:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8787A40426 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C01D4041C for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:41:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from your4dacd0ea75 (ool-182e2173.dyn.optonline.net [24.46.33.115]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0MO7002AI85MCNC0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:36:38 -0400 From: Tony McNulty To: Mark J Bradakis , tigers@autox.team.net References: <99C4BEED5D08436B82D527BC7FBE1220@3bfd27b5ca44402> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A2019BC@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> <51B643D9.6080301@cthompson.net> <51B65320.7090904@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Acetone was the fluid tested with ATF. I have the list if anyone cares. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool > michael@michaelshortt.com wrote: >> Best recipe for a solution to loosen stuck bolts is 50% benzene and 50% >> ATF, >> it is quite volatile, just make as much as you need, you can't or >> shouldn't >> keep it stored. > > Or ATF and acetone, which is more readily available, usually in the paint > section of a > well stocked hardware store. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bamcnulty@optonline.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 16:59:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15CE4041F for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:59:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC771403CF for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:59:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mhQm1l0061c6gX859murFU; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:54:51 +0000 Received: from OldHickory.comcast.net ([24.125.152.229]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mmuq1l00n4xDDKL3jmur37; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:54:51 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:50:56 -0400 To: Jay Laifman , "Tiger's Den" From: Marc James Small mail.com> References: s=q20121106; t=1370904891; bh=3SJCCFtiAcTS/otdMDg8wxm7fTtH/H358+vNNMeQKzc=; h=Received:Received:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=d0ogOTU6/lTXowOJLW3JcS32mtm8KoEyoYFACG2wr3Jc4/5B7BTT9qwv2ASLepKYi 7OsEcqawJW1xg33FuCClLoAbOdUz3/a5zkanJx4DVvtpiJAkkIiuDxd7W3HWpyEa1c caN522rpGbjnTFf/SUlTFmViTWWm8cMjIYNiTL/BE3SGaD9WbH/NFsvnc4oegSuUgz DPMZmFwhaqBeTjVBJs50KyFLSq31/9Sl8xumF1Cdnnd1ux8yv7VE03AnMvYgXfYade R7Q2hunt1fKoCCRgdUT3ET2t8tHB80Twfme2BTEP8m8QVHDGmXmHxW/l9DWfhFt7Jt 55RPqscpN6Liw== Subject: Re: [Tigers] To rebuild, or not rebuild, the Holley Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At 06:01 PM 6/10/2013, Jay Laifman wrote: >My dad would often say not to fix what is not broken. But, then since it >started leaking on the outside, I'm not exactly sure how many of the o >rings on the inside may be having trouble. > >I might run by Pep Boys on the way home and see if I can find it. Your father and I spatted over that -- my take is, if you're going to do a job, then do the entire job and do it right. But you are the Master of Your Own Fate, and I will be saddened to hear of your being burned to a cinder in the wreckage of your car. Your father was one hell of an innovative fellow and I admired him greatly, even if he kept calling the serial number the 'VIN'. California gibberish. Ah, the Pep Boys. Mannie, Moe, and Jack. I named the Mud Turtle I hatched from an egg, 'Moe'. That was back in '82, in a different universe, long ago and far away. The standard Mud Turtle lives for five to ten years in the wild and, perhaps, fifteen when under proper care. Moe is still with us and is still nasty as hell. Aetate 31 and hanging hard and tough. He is the Sunbeam Alpine of the Turtle World. (I have a lot more turtle tales to tell, especially as I keep my back lawn mowed through the services of two Sulcata Tortoises.) Be well, Jay Marc It is a good world for doing good deeds. -- Nathaniel the Faun _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 17:21:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB74A40442 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f173.google.com (mail-qc0-f173.google.com [209.85.216.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98BF94041C for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id l10so2470515qcy.32 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:15:54 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=mfkXmUiEJftPm4a/B3REdChdwcaVWsf5cN6VTBmnxDY=; b=UuNAmQn/Srp48Bz1q8SZISse36z2aGjuq5gS1mjqgT4GBjnXXthRtDFPruzuxT5YlP tEUDpT840DlFxGHZTeHyWXM1uhnbzM/6qCKv4hGS3yqOiAvTNfK8ltYdTR3GP34asIJo un9VqXhxyfQixw2/xm1MGwGLqoQiZxrJcCfefg+dNR/6IEIK4I+rPw/gtFP401ODR6pl h9L1L4basGA3mHe0I9CEJoVh8iILgt322wGHssrMKpmy+Au+BrZdGTmvlOqgC2bPpMhR uQFhHID2Nubt+53gMn151J9ameeN+pJmBpejPcJeTuEnYH+8cE8cTfUuf7zcGZp9LmK5 ccJQ== lo7mr1360661qcb.90.1370906154695; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.132.1 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:15:54 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130610230001.7EB9B40437@autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:15:54 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: Marc James Small Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] To rebuild, or not rebuild, the Holley Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, I'm with Mrc on this, if you're gonna do it, do all of it. But then... As to the leak, it could be the pump, as we suspect, or it could be a sticking needle valve or a mis-adjusted float (among many other things). As long as you have the bowl off, why not check them first. See PP 20-21 of the May - June 2013 Summit catalog for float bowl gaskets, and needle valves, etc.. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Marc James Small wrote: > At 06:01 PM 6/10/2013, Jay Laifman wrote: > > >My dad would often say not to fix what is not broken. But, then since it > >started leaking on the outside, I'm not exactly sure how many of the o > >rings on the inside may be having trouble. > > > >I might run by Pep Boys on the way home and see if I can find it. > > Your father and I spatted over that -- my take is, if you're going to do a > job, then do the entire job and do it right. But you are the Master of > Your Own Fate, and I will be saddened to hear of your being burned to a > cinder in the wreckage of your car. Your father was one hell > of an innovative fellow and I admired him greatly, even if he kept calling > the serial number the 'VIN'. California gibberish. > > Ah, the Pep Boys. Mannie, Moe, and Jack. I named the Mud Turtle I > hatched from an egg, 'Moe'. That was back in '82, in a different universe, > long ago and far away. The standard Mud Turtle lives for five to ten years > in the wild and, perhaps, fifteen when under proper care. Moe is still > with us and is still nasty as hell. Aetate 31 and hanging hard and tough. > He is the Sunbeam Alpine of the Turtle World. (I have a lot more turtle > tales to tell, especially as I keep my back lawn mowed through the services > of two Sulcata Tortoises.) > > Be well, Jay > > Marc > > > > > It is a good world for doing good deeds. > -- Nathaniel the Faun > > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/tkparker1941@* > *gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 17:28:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A062340440 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:28:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f48.google.com (mail-qe0-f48.google.com [209.85.128.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D32E403CF for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:27:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 2so4419371qea.35 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:22:51 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=KCJQr2qNrLDEn7AvYnsBiBHr+2Rr9LIVcfTVev38kxM=; b=tYx62nITCF8ifCu4ozZ1iRUAoBkS151+k4kYQzFGr0dn2/4Rb5aVYisf8ESUcgv3KW jAknLqawhNoCnrRb5hnXBBtNks6UFy4p4I2O8VKMj1cbyOfgZVGmWhabDlVNR3vjw3qm Bl25zctWk1H5XsoHGJXnYQOdjG65VLpiWH6qVQqevpSmK4p/I6jIIZmT7+Cj4t5CaVcg rkwbpes78DijBEMA7K6bBt8KSFN0IkWWV1DnhNRULVUSk6UTECTH4PW+eNZKt7HNHIlS cMuZyD2mQc95n8WKnkZdWExUw5JskNvGYrubM9N6QE+gHZiFcAAqoU1BfBVUX1KaCuaN QPPA== f4mr726221qcu.34.1370906571114; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.132.1 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:22:51 -0700 (PDT) References: <8D0343C48FB0273-1DFC-31B3E@webmail-vm001.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:22:51 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: pldflyer@aol.com Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:54 PM, wrote: > Delphi FD0002 Checked. That's a 20# pressure fuel pump. I hope you're not using it with a carb. Tom /67 Mark 2 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 17:31:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649A84044B for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:31:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f181.google.com (mail-qc0-f181.google.com [209.85.216.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9497E40407 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:31:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id u12so235870qcx.40 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:26:27 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=akV5ZsvfEgZV/4PCOqKYw3kplLqSuObP/z3ThoxBd7k=; b=Pk5NF0+kbMohC3b7Mm1XnuLotwPfuocfmeWTvROaHNlnmzCHnv4GCp5GP+8mXiMLSb TcaQH+QMXBVQs7bzUvGZUd7QbwxTifrweHnm+1inij9ZXxiv4pNHODRA7lKom0pKkpVO CRsFAhDy6IedrmBwrrDjpte8tKg4tVgD9It+2C/Eu3GRsS+o+5MkHV2T6ooN4/FMqajw voLN9WHvMqi9e0kieM1dkhAPVRmIvOaGh14Kj0rC3DczR77YB4coAlrMxUd3UKEaY50p UEUfx3LmW/0WokoWwXPJKgxlH1ztwmSae5luJ4jTKmkwGvurT/jLi0w9EQcZKnHyxEqy HgEA== r6mr15856095qai.20.1370906787605; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.132.1 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:26:27 -0700 (PDT) References: <51B6448F.4090900@roadrunner.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:26:27 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: Jay Laifman Cc: Tiger's Den , Tod Brown Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bad Fuel Pump? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Check Moss Motors for the pump. If it's going to a carburetor make sure the pressure's below @ 4 pounds. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > Too bad my dad's not here. He loved to talk about using > obligatory bumpershoots to whack SU fuel pumps to get them going again, and > talk about the leather origins of the Skinners Union. And, he definitely > had an affinity for those in Australia and New Zealand. So, I'm sure he > would have come up with some lower hemisphere alternative to the > bumpershoot. Then, of course, all your problems would be solved! > > As an aside, I did rebuild the stock fuel pump using the kit from SS, and > am happy with the results. However, I realize you don't have the SU pump > to rebuild it. There are so many opinions on fuel pumps it makes my head > spin. I've had a Facet on my Alpine for about 20 years with no issues at > all. I was going to go with a Carter rotary pump for my 912, but decided > to rebuild and stick with the stock mechanical pump. If any of them fail, > I'll probably use the Carter - with a fuel regulator of course. > > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Tod Brown > wrote: > > > Hello All: > > > > Yesterday, Dexter Polistock and I took our Tigers to a small foreign car > > show on the village green in Camden, Maine. Camden is somewhat famous as > > the setting for the scandalous fifties movie, Peyton Place and is a > lovely > > little village with a beautiful harbor on Penobscot Bay. On the way back > to > > my home (about 15 miles), I had just made the turn off US Route 1 and was > > about a mile from home when my Tiger coughed once or twice and died. I > > pulled over and tried to restart without success. Further investigation > > revealed there was no gas in the carb and the fuel pump was not making > its > > usual ticking noise. We wiggled the wires and gave the pump a couple of > > whacks without success. Pretty clearly it seemed, the fuel pump had given > > up the ghost. Eventually, we got the Tiger home to the garage thanks to > > Triple A. A couple of hours later, I went out to the garage and, for no > > particular reason, turned on the ignition only to be greeted with the > > normal clatter of the pump. Joseph Lucas playing with my mind, again. > > > > The pump I have had in the car for about 30 years was a replacement for > > the SU that bit the dust way back when and has been dead reliable for all > > that time. On the pump it says "Auto Pump" and has a sticker that says > "AP > > 11" and "Made in N.Z." It obviously has the traditional points (hence the > > ticking) to do the switching but was one of the new breed of solid state > > pumps that so improved the longevity (no self-respecting SU would have > > lasted 30 years, I don't think, without frying its points). My guess is > > that the heat from the exhaust finally got to it and it packed it in, > only > > to recover when things cooled off. However, before I bite the bullet and > > buy a new pump from Rick, I wanted to know if there is any other possible > > explanation that I can check out before buying a new pump? > > > > Also, does anyone have any info about this particular fuel pump and > > whether it can be repaired? > > > > In talking to the folks at SS and VB, it seems that SU replacement pumps > > are currently unavailable due to the gas being used in Britain playing > > havoc with their pumps, so I'm wondering what are the alternatives? I > have > > heard of some people using a pump made by Facet and was wondering if > anyone > > had the model number or if there are other alternatives? Any help would > be > > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tod > > B38200238XFE > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html< > http://www.team.net/donate.html> > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/jay.laifman@** > > gmail.com< > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 17:44:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6710D4043A for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f45.google.com (mail-vb0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7589B403BB for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:44:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id p14so2578924vbm.4 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:39:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=UxB1fGjgAdaqMb+MWo+7U4g+HruVBbXt2QR7Y8tUIcY=; b=KTIEsdFEgj4LHMRKU2BdGYV0KT8ZBJX6ZBi2ITYhL1IHcGUJ3XttPEi9Ba0bWlhfO6 DfOnDCcaFXXrapy4pX3zpTVQo+Cw7cFQpLLo7dm5YisnVg2/ASLs1BvB+yJ2ZFEcki0f XvLOJiEbiaB15eDqSimG1RKUNx/aGl+Vwh+Vdk2TQBwMuFQzVAfJihPurXgaF3n/JVV+ 2rRjVhhKzkdJ4Xpj4JwETohxcBw0gNNytABo1AKhu1HsI+2jXl92EWWE4qVPGMtHy45+ SXqHpjOB0oaDk7KkUs9eFiQkbvl4qWTvny4YHMFB/26m/EG2iEcSiDQcbOhLbd2yyCet pGzg== bx5mr6029677vcb.71.1370907549240; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:39:09 -0700 (PDT) References: <8D0343C48FB0273-1DFC-31B3E@webmail-vm001.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:39:09 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Tom Parker Cc: LIST TIGER , pldflyer@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That better be some needle valve! FWIW, there are quite a lot of posts in the archives about the correct pressure based upon carb, engine, etc. But, yes, certainly none of them come close to 20, let alone double digits. On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Tom Parker wrote: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:54 PM, wrote: > > > Delphi FD0002 > > > > Checked. That's a 20# pressure fuel pump. I hope you're not using it with a > carb. > > Tom > /67 Mark 2 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 17:58:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E417140445 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63339403CF for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:52:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5ANiEWd019414; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:47:28 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0213.5192ebd3.325ad9; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:47:11 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.150.72]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:47:02 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Tony McNulty'" , "'Mark J Bradakis'" , Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:46:50 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5mKwmKrMykaeWTRjKXomNKL0WNSAACZ7Sw engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-10_07:2013-06-10,2013-06-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1306100258 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have used straight ATF with very good success as well. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony McNulty Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:37 PM To: Mark J Bradakis; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Acetone was the fluid tested with ATF. I have the list if anyone cares. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool > michael@michaelshortt.com wrote: >> Best recipe for a solution to loosen stuck bolts is 50% benzene and >> 50% >> ATF, >> it is quite volatile, just make as much as you need, you can't or >> shouldn't >> keep it stored. > > Or ATF and acetone, which is more readily available, usually in the > paint > section of a > well stocked hardware store. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bamcnulty@optonline.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3199/6398 - Release Date: 06/10/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 17:58:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168A140514 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:58:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630E3403CF for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:56:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from JeffE6410ATG ([74.103.169.51]) by p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id mnrh1l00116sh7N01nrhbi; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:51:42 -0700 From: "Jeff Feit" To: Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:51:43 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5mNHC5rIfVAKUOQae3fbkOIDkJBg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] More random questions... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the replies. Just getting back to this. You are all correct that it is indeed a MK1, not a MK1A. hard boot and all. After getting apart, it has an aluminum front cover and an aluminum water pump with the "good" impeller (cast with a closed back, not a stamped one). Does anyone have any insight on where I can get replacement engine mounts? Are they a Ford part? They sure look like a Mustang mount, but I don't have one to compare it to. Thanks, Jeff _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 17:59:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C859740453 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:59:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89BFF403CF for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:59:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail212-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.237) by CO1EHSOBE018.bigfish.com (10.243.66.81) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:54:28 +0000 Received: from mail212-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail212-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97D374031F for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:54:28 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail212-co1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail212-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail212-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 137090846638434_28893; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS006.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.249]) by mail212-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0716F500066 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CO1EHSMHS006.bigfish.com (10.243.66.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:54:25 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:54:34 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.181]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:54:23 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: LIST TIGER Thread-Topic: [Tigers] fuel pump Thread-Index: AQHOZiVL/VWXbj9ifUaOhRIrZHa1QZkv6mGAgAAEjoD//6+GIA== Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:54:23 +0000 References: <8D0343C48FB0273-1DFC-31B3E@webmail-vm001.sysops.aol.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The Facet pumps are available in a wide range of flow and pressure limits. They also have a cylindrical pump that can support higher power engines: https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=FACET For carbs, also remember that the way the floats are hung and how you drive (autocross) can impact the peak pressure that the needle and seat will withstand. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman > Sent: June 10, 2013 5:39 PM > To: Tom Parker > Cc: LIST TIGER; pldflyer@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pump > > That better be some needle valve! > > FWIW, there are quite a lot of posts in the archives about the correct > pressure based upon carb, engine, etc. But, yes, certainly none of > them come close to 20, let alone double digits. > > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Tom Parker > wrote: > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 18:13:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35F94042B for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:13:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89170403CF for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:09:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004959.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5B04JNf009522; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:05:04 -0700 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189668) id dm0224.5192ebb6.33df6c; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:04:11 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Tod Brown'" , Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:04:00 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5mITr9JitK+rIITpiF7arcbPo65AAE5ZKA engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-10_07:2013-06-10,2013-06-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1306100265 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bad Fuel Pump? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tod I just went through that last summer. There are reports that alcohol in the fuel will deteriorate old rubber parts. 1 - check to make sure the filter or the line to the filter is not plugged - I had a clog near the filter 2 - set up a flow rate test for your fuel pump - extend the line you just checked to a big bucket and run a timed flow When I did this the fuel flow rate was very poor and there were black specks in the fuel - fuel pump and bellows material If the flow rate looks good maybe you should consider a heat shield between the muffler and the pump or move the pump to the trunk. I think there is an article on TigersUnited for the heat shield. I placed my fuel pump in the trunk many years ago. I installed a Puralator electronic cube pump this time. It is my understanding the this cube fuel pump is made by Facet now. Facet make several style pump that should work. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tod Brown Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:27 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Bad Fuel Pump? Hello All: Yesterday, Dexter Polistock and I took our Tigers to a small foreign car show on the village green in Camden, Maine. Camden is somewhat famous as the setting for the scandalous fifties movie, Peyton Place and is a lovely little village with a beautiful harbor on Penobscot Bay. On the way back to my home (about 15 miles), I had just made the turn off US Route 1 and was about a mile from home when my Tiger coughed once or twice and died. I pulled over and tried to restart without success. Further investigation revealed there was no gas in the carb and the fuel pump was not making its usual ticking noise. We wiggled the wires and gave the pump a couple of whacks without success. Pretty clearly it seemed, the fuel pump had given up the ghost. Eventually, we got the Tiger home to the garage thanks to Triple A. A couple of hours later, I went out to the garage and, for no particular reason, turned on the ignition only to be greeted with the normal clatter of the pump. Joseph Lucas playing with my mind, again. The pump I have had in the car for about 30 years was a replacement for the SU that bit the dust way back when and has been dead reliable for all that time. On the pump it says "Auto Pump" and has a sticker that says "AP 11" and "Made in N.Z." It obviously has the traditional points (hence the ticking) to do the switching but was one of the new breed of solid state pumps that so improved the longevity (no self-respecting SU would have lasted 30 years, I don't think, without frying its points). My guess is that the heat from the exhaust finally got to it and it packed it in, only to recover when things cooled off. However, before I bite the bullet and buy a new pump from Rick, I wanted to know if there is any other possible explanation that I can check out before buying a new pump? Also, does anyone have any info about this particular fuel pump and whether it can be repaired? In talking to the folks at SS and VB, it seems that SU replacement pumps are currently unavailable due to the gas being used in Britain playing havoc with their pumps, so I'm wondering what are the alternatives? I have heard of some people using a pump made by Facet and was wondering if anyone had the model number or if there are other alternatives? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Tod B38200238XFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3199/6398 - Release Date: 06/10/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 18:13:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061EE40536 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:13:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDD7403CF for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:11:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mo0q1l00H1smiN4A2o6suk; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 00:06:52 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mo6s1l00L2xZMJ48go6sb7; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 00:06:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 00:06:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Jay Laifman s=q20121106; t=1370909212; bh=SeS0f7hWBm76Ni1IDs3O1Xz1bGMXaILAsIx3ZaW/+1E=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Ki3EeaXpUB9Jv255Bv/GnbCkQhzU0hp6okxXvnOmjVrYC2RwUWrsFcPgxoC68wNtr +1s3prGIYd8DlxiBM+fPHDIHRLtghbtGYomNIFlR9VT6dAa5r2A1ZNvOZ8SbgDMtUo tRp/3RkqvuRU/OkvaUlryqYxu1aEE/nAsnBjtf2NGGTVqtMEd9PfwDGS/81zLmMBTm dJ9OuNnbMaaJFHfCqI4bvJ1Wjal65IWw8nkHobxaDbyU4Wk5boo6xRndSbeBakLuGN LUlc7MGcGLcUoiw1KCCVgxzcUqQGCP1iDoKP6afv1OXiLu5ApCjxbfRDaRq1VCkjde py7TA+vuu2tmw== Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] To rebuild, or not rebuild, the Holley Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, I would have to agree with your dad on this one. I have Holley leaks every year or two. Tightening the fuel bowl screws about a quarter turn is usually all it needs. Rebuilding can be a nightmare. At least the first time I took apart my 600 (list 1850?) the fuel bowls were somehow glued on with some black stuff.. could have been the DPO or I think I did hear Holley tried that to stop the leaks... I worked half a weekend as I recall and ruined a perfectly good little screwdriver scrappin it.. Now if it is running bad, like tooo rich, the accelerator pump or the enrichment valve (I can't recall now...) gets easily blown with a backfire... IF its running good, tighten the screws and see if that won't fix it.. Good luck! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Laifman To: Tiger's Den Sent: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:01:56 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] To rebuild, or not rebuild, the Holley I received the rebuild kit from Holley today. The only reason I ordered the kit was because of leaking fuel. I have no indication that there is anything else wrong with it. In looking at the kit, I'm trying to decide if I just replace the bowl gasket and accelerator pump. Or if I should really tear it down for everything in the kit. My dad would often say not to fix what is not broken. But, then since it started leaking on the outside, I'm not exactly sure how many of the o rings on the inside may be having trouble. The bummer is that it was not leaking on the back fuel bowl for the secondary. But, in removing the cover, the gasket stuck to much of it. Somewhere I have a can of something called gasket remover. I just can't find it. I might run by Pep Boys on the way home and see if I can find it. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 18:15:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB2640407 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:15:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f171.google.com (mail-qc0-f171.google.com [209.85.216.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1EDF403CF for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:15:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id n1so534878qcw.2 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:10:11 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=IBEMOGTWgXmJjRcSLepKVPkquORmBQcpBtkYOrgoXig=; b=U1Kcd95oZeIWK+2cDk6KKQWTtvg6cN74HtCH1IyF8PRhKsyqm+CLxFf2Ba9/1e2Dom Sxrp5e5dVKvAAF/wTEqh8EBwCDBat8mF3VH/GwoYlY+SOQgA8URnjFTHWxFmRZ9D+Lg5 vjymMw1XFseclZ5FACWoUwwZu86Yf2Nsw8j+Rut0RaahIL414Ee+0SqfKQpXbE+NZ8h+ WTMQU0wE0znNvuDIaqbxwdcb9TQoinat174ywzhowiPik+fJkw4f6uPvSmfWjqLKCbqE YVZZl4sO1jaoL8E0Fsj3miu38Vflr0ECKlGYgVdYMX0rsfoV2CZM2e5tBR+nasQ96F9G nB0Q== r6mr15954641qai.20.1370909410978; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.132.1 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:10:10 -0700 (PDT) References: <8D0343C48FB0273-1DFC-31B3E@webmail-vm001.sysops.aol.com> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A201B1F@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:10:10 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: "Smit, Theo" Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have a Red Holley pump @ 4 - 6# ($109 at Summit) that I use as a stand-by pump for when my old Bendix bites the dust. It runs continuously, and is loud mounted in the boot. The only problem I had was when I put a filter 'tween the tanks and the pump. They said that was a no-no. They were right. I don't know how loud it would be under the baggage tray. The number PLDFlyer gave was for a 20 pound pressure pump according to Summit Racing: Fuel Pump, Electric, 23 gph Free Flow Rate, 20 psi Maximum Pressure, Buick, Chevy, Ford, Subaru, Toyota, Each Tom '67 Mark 2 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > The Facet pumps are available in a wide range of flow and pressure limits. > They also have a cylindrical pump that can support higher power engines: > https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=FACET > > For carbs, also remember that the way the floats are hung and how you drive > (autocross) can impact the peak pressure that the needle and seat will > withstand. > > Cheers, > Theo > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman > > Sent: June 10, 2013 5:39 PM > > To: Tom Parker > > Cc: LIST TIGER; pldflyer@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pump > > > > That better be some needle valve! > > > > FWIW, there are quite a lot of posts in the archives about the correct > > pressure based upon carb, engine, etc. But, yes, certainly none of > > them come close to 20, let alone double digits. > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Tom Parker > > wrote: > > > > ________________________________ > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole > use of > the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential > and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please > notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, > copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) > by > someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 18:29:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1EB40559 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:29:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123A84052D for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:27:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mgF01l0060vp7WL01oNitZ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 00:22:42 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id moNh1l00w2yr1eL8RoNhZN; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 00:22:42 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 00:22:41 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Tom Parker s=q20121106; t=1370910162; bh=ChOOvr1S9CGvYzNv1GXb6CX7LAbS5j4+gpi/vsahETQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=cGHz4uf6jS3wwlJHrmlKXpqWMpajGdg6+UWt6dBuYbmX+b3iVStSOBcgLZIGB9HCh Zx0d9/v9m30QVdo4Dms2J/XxT+2GPo+k0ssSk+taVR8efiJGbJFcT55AAfv8pM1mpe LXSszGz7n1aqgYSSPU7CRJB1BkP9tqdOZFtQBllXHvNNAB8q6WGdJoDxeYYbzQmjTv WijFpphdJy9pYKX+u7tDrSiGextf0XZDrzIrAIeezFs4Zr3MYthVYMZLtKTrK9Bvkr HIGSgPYAHwgyEydKYJwK7+c2rfIAPl79KmWAZEa2H0xjwT6kDMd8QGfAgUhqU/Cwpa ic2Yr9jgsymuw== Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That is curious about there being a warning not to use a filter between the fuel tanks and the red Holley fuel pump. The instructions for my new black Holley 125 pump spec an 80-100 micron pre-filter for between the tanks and the pump and another, 70 micron or better filter at the carbs. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Parker" To: "Theo Smit" Cc: "LIST TIGER" Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 7:10:10 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pump I have a Red Holley pump @ 4 - 6# ($109 at Summit) that I use as a stand-by pump for when my old Bendix bites the dust. It runs continuously, and is loud mounted in the boot. The only problem I had was when I put a filter 'tween the tanks and the pump. They said that was a no-no. They were right. I don't know how loud it would be under the baggage tray. The number PLDFlyer gave was for a 20 pound pressure pump according to Summit Racing: Fuel Pump, Electric, 23 gph Free Flow Rate, 20 psi Maximum Pressure, Buick, Chevy, Ford, Subaru, Toyota, Each Tom '67 Mark 2 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 18:34:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225A7425C3 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:34:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2330740535 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:34:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mm8Y1l0071bwxyc01oV9m6; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 00:29:09 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id moV91l0012yr1eL8eoV96Q; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 00:29:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 00:29:08 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Tom Parker s=q20121106; t=1370910549; bh=iNIVpPbtVQq+mJ59DF/7hw0VI5d3ejeahfywmpMgsCo=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=gDBVK1S44Atl50WtztdlkpeqpClOWNVAQ+cfwTNAvg/amKfRezsEPqvxqWV0zGBED V6TFxe6W1sjMwh0tf6a+69xFIzvMeu/bAkAv5pYoLQAHGgQz0Ppv5NJsXb00WOwNvS 0iD0CPAxAt+AJbBNqSeGNm7FOITW9SUTabvjPPv99O5J8RupBh2hWmF/eRwnuK7z4J w+xcirD4Ms3dWnYinzM4K9iaop6mC9qLFZTyY4li9H+wskvvvsvfC0QYeOU0L/Pmgd xSYJkQgzBakd5fUXkEL+km/acxMoXfrqLaa+v21yhOSgODduCSbbZTKWUYshs32xsm vc6LSdBMpnJTw== Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Addition to this post: they also make mention that the pre-filter should be a screen type one. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: "Tom Parker" Cc: "LIST TIGER" Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 7:22:41 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pump That is curious about there being a warning not to use a filter between the fuel tanks and the red Holley fuel pump. The instructions for my new black Holley 125 pump spec an 80-100 micron pre-filter for between the tanks and the pump and another, 70 micron or better filter at the carbs. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Parker" To: "Theo Smit" Cc: "LIST TIGER" Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 7:10:10 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pump I have a Red Holley pump @ 4 - 6# ($109 at Summit) that I use as a stand-by pump for when my old Bendix bites the dust. It runs continuously, and is loud mounted in the boot. The only problem I had was when I put a filter 'tween the tanks and the pump. They said that was a no-no. They were right. I don't know how loud it would be under the baggage tray. The number PLDFlyer gave was for a 20 pound pressure pump according to Summit Racing: Fuel Pump, Electric, 23 gph Free Flow Rate, 20 psi Maximum Pressure, Buick, Chevy, Ford, Subaru, Toyota, Each Tom '67 Mark 2 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 18:35:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6F54055F for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:35:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A86640535 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:35:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo210 ([68.230.241.161]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130611003016.GQMI13301.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210> for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:30:16 -0400 Received: from fed1rmwml207 ([172.18.140.217]) by fed1rmimpo210 with cox id moWG1l0084hdPEs01oWGPG; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:30:16 -0400 a=ZhPAqvP18NOZotFba0T7pg==:17 a=ZhCVGW-t_-0A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=G4utBrD1QF4A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=ZQeq87ywLG8A:10 a=YGKPhoOcAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=quKp3oBA1fsT0iRAi6UA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=e1W6JS1LM0MA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=ZhPAqvP18NOZotFba0T7pg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 72.197.184.155 by webmail.west.cox.net; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:30:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:30:16 -0700 From: To: Jeff Feit , tigers@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] More random questions... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yes the motor mounts are Ford. You want 64.5 or 65 motor mounts for a small block Ford ---- Jeff Feit wrote: > Thanks for the replies. Just getting back to this. > > > > You are all correct that it is indeed a MK1, not a MK1A. hard boot and all. > > > > After getting apart, it has an aluminum front cover and an aluminum water > pump with the "good" impeller (cast with a closed back, not a stamped one). > > > > Does anyone have any insight on where I can get replacement engine mounts? > Are they a Ford part? They sure look like a Mustang mount, but I don't have > one to compare it to. > > > > Thanks, > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 19:18:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD2B40C02 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:18:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f51.google.com (mail-qe0-f51.google.com [209.85.128.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F23940398 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:13:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f51.google.com with SMTP id a11so2478722qen.10 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:08:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=s5tbDuIg2lJHzol9KgxXB4WcOPI14QmnuHCfgsy3vnM=; b=XAp+MBBGx5WjmdMNsPfeh58ok0aUL5zIzKJOMA3TRZdM8WqpIClL14pWHWLWKMHr1U cl7xaiUxHimE9PcnWQRK2NMDSpuDV3FH68QEjEttLGpfk7DZbNTUge1baNrbzsgTdMEw jnpvIYUDyIiNJ/5ZtfwkFXyZ+R7wKqsnGo5yiVHSvYTA9bUVTLmF0nxViXSyHPGJO+oQ z9BEaCsSMe7lnNqRMPa/6msUSgs3jtoZh5mDieLB1zhVvkbgXSSaupWvWxvafVT740PI GK8rnu1WHJo3NsaYQ/BvHmy4DZzMAIXBCtJdL4wchQB+MnvmBnzei8FExi/KXYCUyg4D EKbg== b3mr15908534qac.83.1370912898303; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.132.1 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:08:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <010001ce6635$76b89070$6429b150$@feitmail.com> <20130610203016.AVUJL.106432.imail@fed1rmwml207> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:08:18 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: e.coiner@cox.net Cc: Jeff Feit , LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] More random questions... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jeff, The usual Ford mounts are 2220 / 2221 if memory serves, and they're "iffy". Look back on the list posts, there was a U.S. manufacturer listed that MAY have more accurate mounts. This was from last February, a post by A.C.Tynes: "Does anybody have experience with Steele products engine mounts? I cross referenced Ron's Ford part nums with Steele's catalog and came up with 20-0088-11 Rt and 20-0089-11 Left. $24.50 ea and made in USA." The tread was interesting. I have not tried the Steele mounts; changing engine mounts on a Tiger is not something someone does on a whim. (which means mine are more or less o.k...) But when the time comes I will probably order a set from Steele. The problem I has with the 2220 / 2221 mounts was the engine didn't sit straight in the bay (yes I tried lifting / repositioning the engine), and the front driveshaft u-joint attacked the driveshaft tunnel. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 8:30 PM, wrote: > Yes the motor mounts are Ford. > > You want 64.5 or 65 motor mounts for a small block Ford > > > ---- Jeff Feit wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. Just getting back to this. > > > > > > > > You are all correct that it is indeed a MK1, not a MK1A. hard boot and > all. > > > > > > > > After getting apart, it has an aluminum front cover and an aluminum water > > pump with the "good" impeller (cast with a closed back, not a stamped > one). > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any insight on where I can get replacement engine > mounts? > > Are they a Ford part? They sure look like a Mustang mount, but I don't > have > > one to compare it to. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 19:49:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AC140E1A for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:49:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523814054C for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:42:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MO7006IPGIXRBI4@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:37:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <99C4BEED5D08436B82D527BC7FBE1220@3bfd27b5ca44402> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A2019BC@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> <51B643D9.6080301@cthompson.net> <51B65320.7090904@bradakis.com> <9DA05C85D7194D1B8F1CA216407AA2DB@your4dacd0ea75> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:37:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird too (ATF/Acetone) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe it is the Acetone we have available here in California... . I made the ATF/Acetone 50/50 mixture. I liberally applied it at least twice a day, for 5 days, on bolts/nuts that I had scraped the gunk and wire brushed the loose rust off. The fasteners were still nearly impossible to get off. And the area where the nut was on the bolt - was completely dry. There was absolutely no penetration what so ever. Not an odd bolt/nut either. There were ten bolts/nuts I was attempting to remove. But, being a crash test dummy for Murphy's Law what should I have expected. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 19:50:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0DB4275B for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.189]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22404054C for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:44:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2013 01:39:23 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.193] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2013 01:39:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1051.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2013 01:39:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 19022 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jun 2013 01:39:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370914763; bh=yrD3heCjQWAP1QbMMEvnOhp0JEM30Kn8HpJu73PEQWM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=D66muNQluW7EzxLGqzOfANXuzJXIXZWs4wUvzqvyQ/wFOcKxUY1H2AKkBj+ParnM+syCe5jDUlbYBTqZiDZabnIl4axtTU/U8/O8EEuGcysojN+gRdecotzTAwO3xQN8a5Ck22SiwOXzKO0iv/ERWrJK/Y0OpO1HFcXmLKOcViQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=39MshrGQGkAnYR2lriwDcgPtruHuG2J5zY7gX5x79Fe8Y/BFQbUiUaZ81yVqp6xlC/Afk0hlqRv25MhcmG/khs0OqP9VgkhL11l+XEMBOPFjB4m698DopZeLzHjEh3X6W9hu/FpBNQkeD5AsLTeUqBAl5ASdH2VQyG7aO1Z/E1k=; _feHaf1GddZvCO2XmLQj6c6gdU3Me_V8lkcwfyL0MVIS9611zXsi_SzRt5iV vy_rv93UUunOBaqRL519U99G9s6U7oN9dsVOGA_1j1k5APBhLgBfr1yfgM5P boYvkuKuMqWrjMrg8O.TP85CSgIAO0877egiUlGoJ3UGgQ5yRdRFlvAz3Ex3 4wNMS1HihMySbxxdfI25vryHMUZXsLMiugdRRInxCmvceTCpjs7gXacCz6ge nx9sLQf0pd8UUi5HPcmofffmpItEAb6Tex1BZfGESr7wYESfVZQeJfQXx1BS spbtIb.0YQwlTQMrqFbcyzlIOpWhXZzsaOMpqd3exLBeNP25P69cv_No8IDx 7sS38xfRpAYkcpVh4tJ6BTpHahLouIHsAbxgA5HKV0QTWVLQB38607S9KvaL 4_MYg3VLINuzvmqJ1slvvPt9WQNSry6JM.aKAtB68Yu0WlFD8RyLcHgCyQCy yQ9WlQ9URQ6OoEjZG_qmFsGvOxS1XLdqFlMSf8ZxulJh_b3eavbDGYFAhQbv J2HAfeY1_DhPYqaV6KGKZb9Ql52n0usdkP.M2Uw3plzUI4o7MpCFmWYuPwM4 hn3kX5EE_CF1dvRY4oGU.a6EL4G5rB3GCSJLc1jbfncSc0qGzigoq6eTsvnv 2WPY5l1YVGAc2kCnYE7QWR1QbuCkope2aC72cng-- Received: from [172.12.229.113] by web124706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:39:23 PDT DQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KU2luY2Ugd2UncmUgYnJhZ2dpbmcgYWJvdXQgdGhlIHNpemUgb2Ygb3VyIG51dHMgKGl0J3MgYSBndXkgdGhhbmcpLCB3aGVuIEkgd2FzIGluIGNvbGxlZ2UgSSB1c2VkIHRvIHdvcmsgYXMgYSBwaXBlIGZpdHRlcidzIGhlbHBlcsKgYXQgdGhlIFN0YW5kYXJkIE9pbCByZWZpbmVyeSBpbiBFbCBTZWdydW5nbywgQ0EuIFdlIGhhZCBudXRzIHRoYXQgd2VyZSAxMCIgYWNyb3NzIHRoZSBzcGFuIGFuZCB3ZWlnaGVkIG92ZXIgYSBodW5kcmVkIHBvdW5kcyBlYWNoLsKgVGhlecKgd2VudCBvbiABMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:39:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Since we're bragging about the size of our nuts (it's a guy thang), when I was in college I used to work as a pipe fitter's helper at the Standard Oil refinery in El Segrungo, CA. We had nuts that were 10" across the span and weighed over a hundred pounds each. They went on the flange bolts to the openings in pressure tanks. It was a butt-buster just getting those nuts threaded onto the bolts. The socket to fit over these nuts was almost just as heavy. The air hammer weighed over 350 lbs and had to be lifted using a come-along or chain-fall. It had a 1" diameter, 2 feet long pipe coming out each side that me and another poor sap held onto to stabilize it while it drove the nut on. I can't remember what the torque was, but it was huge. It was dirty hard work, but the pay was great for a poor starving college student. I can only imagine working on an ocean liner engine. Gary --- On Mon, 6/10/13, Chris Thompson wrote: From: Chris Thompson Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird tool To: "Smit, Theo" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 2:23 PM I've got sockets that go up over two inches or so (heavy equipment) - what's so weird? Was it 1/2" drive or something? Chris B382000331 On 6/10/2013 5:16 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > That would be for the Tiger's rear axle nuts. 125 or 150 foot-pounds torque > spec IIRC... you definitely need the big breaker bar to go along with that > socket. > > Theo _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/maliburevue@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 20:22:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8541940568 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:22:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882A14054E for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:11:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm36.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2013 02:06:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.4] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2013 02:06:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2013 02:06:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370916366; bh=4Fs9r1iHc5nyO7wKtFZEPn6D0oOXTGtNHnXj6TGHF7M=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ObJz3ZTTeYrirnwbelINr3awl6k7sMh1me5tkbCepnLzttkiI6uryeXpQRc5WycUDgLhvnafe/w7KAFHVOvZatzxK02IxNwQOOpW5p/zGX0nnNeWuy5rcCxUDDWytm7oBBQ3NB5ddVvVZDciqlw/dLHvCPw6njssZUWu+xsrNnk= WqcyomakgowSG_pu4w8b5LLOjrMDgZpYmBQ2TV12AjigdbMfbUI0G84t2.Pr QmVv3fID4XuEqd4Ik_h_yer7xWKDsQqarXnSd0Uxsl3RxdbX0EiLB8phRES3 uxdpJIXrcrdfYpCa00VRwgrRr1E7xS6u4JNGj5FNI.ri4dAu0QNC4Bb9oenu rExDMQWz6AhJgEoJwyu3tt6qhP.PEabDDFkPAGAi.LYkcul45bBJZzsEIxp9 6DRh6lwy3iD_Y_gRvpsSwVFSlj9Gr7Kkx_ompBk0Wpzzfr.bVJVKdXvmUD3C Fnx96zxrMeL_5LlxugTIYg6DTEFx8p_UxgC6LdLjC.vu7rYcdwGZ7.w4dUto wJkejuGe4IlwrBSTVrRZNA5E6.VLG29gSIPTemUCx.UwOMVZyA4EJAaFAbEc tuqF3z7Gd69J45Y_MoVeltN4SkVdhlwhhyS0aEwfQkdRtz61Vgyd7ksaY0.V PmtQlGQGTqCjTmB7YCEvVbITBlJbEa4mCtrYS0bl2RoOXLb8- smtp104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2013 19:06:06 -0700 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:06:19 -0500 From: TtT To: Thomas Witt , tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird too (ATF/Acetone) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I've posted previously that the best penetrating lube made is "Kroil Oil". They make it with different additives now but just buy the standard. Without it I believe I would have never pulled my axles. Just my 2cents worth. TtT Sent from Huawei Mobile Thomas Witt wrote: >Maybe it is the Acetone we have available here in California... . I made >the ATF/Acetone 50/50 mixture. I liberally applied it at least twice a day, >for 5 days, on bolts/nuts that I had scraped the gunk and wire brushed the >loose rust off. The fasteners were still nearly impossible to get off. And >the area where the nut was on the bolt - was completely dry. There was >absolutely no penetration what so ever. Not an odd bolt/nut either. There >were ten bolts/nuts I was attempting to remove. But, being a crash test >dummy for Murphy's Law what should I have expected. > >Tom >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 20:39:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B04840566 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:39:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACB14043E for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:39:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Cobra (173-228-106-127.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.106.127]) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with SMTP id r5B2Ybi1022748; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:34:38 -0700 From: "csx2282" To: References: Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:34:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carbs & Fuel Pumps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net According to the 1965 Ford Service Specification for Cars and Trucks, fuel pump pressure at 500 RPM for 260 & 289 CID engines is 4-6PSI, 1 pint of fuel within 20 seconds; minimum intake vacuum in inches of mercury 6.0. Regarding the carburetor rebuild, since it's off the engine do the full Monty. The extra effort is trivial compared to having to remove it a second time in case a partial fix doesn't solve the problem. I have a Facet pump which has been working fine for quite a few years. I bought mine from Aircraft Spruce. I figured if it was safe and reliable enough for aircrafts, it should be okay for my car. They are available in various pressure ranges. Roland _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 20:41:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3990A4068D for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:41:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7F64043E for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5B2WLMH021219; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:36:01 -0700 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622f) id dm0224.5192ebb6.341f6f; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:35:59 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.146.220]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 02:35:51 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Thomas Witt'" , Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:35:47 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5mRTbjnqMmOcfcReKPzt4tEyaKnwABVffg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-11_01:2013-06-10,2013-06-11,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1306100307 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird too (ATF/Acetone) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tom I use straight ATF for a couple of reasons - Acetone flames when a torch is applied - ATF usually just smokes but will flare up. ATF seems to be a great penetrating oil and I have a couple gallons of used ATF on hand. If you can heat the bolts then put ATF on them it will help. I have done this with bleeder screws and they are loose in about 5 minutes. The heat helps draw the ATF into the threads. I soaked a bolt that I could not move with a 3/8 drive socket - in ATF overnight - I removed the bolt with a 1/4 drive in the morning. That result got me hooked on ATF as a penetrating oil. I believe the Acetone will help the ATF penetrate but I have had good results with just ATF. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:38 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic---weird too (ATF/Acetone) Maybe it is the Acetone we have available here in California... . I made the ATF/Acetone 50/50 mixture. I liberally applied it at least twice a day, for 5 days, on bolts/nuts that I had scraped the gunk and wire brushed the loose rust off. The fasteners were still nearly impossible to get off. And the area where the nut was on the bolt - was completely dry. There was absolutely no penetration what so ever. Not an odd bolt/nut either. There were ten bolts/nuts I was attempting to remove. But, being a crash test dummy for Murphy's Law what should I have expected. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3199/6398 - Release Date: 06/10/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 06:09:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE174273D for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 06:09:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8571E403F5 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 06:09:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4594B70037571; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlb001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.143]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1B87AE000085; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:04:06 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:04:06 -0400 (EDT) To: genepadgett@comcast.net, tkparker1941@gmail.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370952246; bh=Y2xbZrNxcsqyJDvsXnxfEhqmOpaO/bmRX7QboSoFbuE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jhnRLrcb9EIlNvJGai4B3VI4QRT8lpL03TDSQJNcPm3iTqiCLIEd+Qni0/BqajtMW 4IYb41Ysg/QrNlDGGGuGwX++fBtZt8PjUchZ3Z5hM85DxPzv+UDL5CGthXcaGsPldF g06inpjg4ci9aD+5gZ70uf7K9YbQp6n9t58jp7Xw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c951b71236154a Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I was advised that if the filter before the pump plugged up, the pump would starve and burn up. I put one in anyway :-) Oh, and I put a shut-off between the tanks and pump. Very handy to be able to shut off the fuel supply for any reason. Mark L In a message dated 6/10/2013 8:24:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, genepadgett@comcast.net writes: That is curious about there being a warning not to use a filter between the fuel tanks and the red Holley fuel pump. The instructions for my new black Holley 125 pump spec an 80-100 micron pre-filter for between the tanks and the pump and another, 70 micron or better filter at the carbs. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Parker" To: "Theo Smit" Cc: "LIST TIGER" Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 7:10:10 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pump I have a Red Holley pump @ 4 - 6# ($109 at Summit) that I use as a stand-by pump for when my old Bendix bites the dust. It runs continuously, and is loud mounted in the boot. The only problem I had was when I put a filter 'tween the tanks and the pump. They said that was a no-no. They were right. I don't know how loud it would be under the baggage tray. The number PLDFlyer gave was for a 20 pound pressure pump according to Summit Racing: Fuel Pump, Electric, 23 gph Free Flow Rate, 20 psi Maximum Pressure, Buick, Chevy, Ford, Subaru, Toyota, Each Tom '67 Mark 2 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 14:04:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD49403FB for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:04:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC75403B2 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:03:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Cobra (173-228-106-127.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.106.127]) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with SMTP id r5BJwq1w003877; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:58:52 -0700 From: "csx2282" To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:58:49 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I very much agree regarding having a shut-off valve between the pump and tank. I installed one too and it's come in handy more than once. BTW, the Facet pump I installed has a built in filter. Roland ----- Original Message ----- > From: CoolVT@aol.com > > I was advised that if the filter before the pump plugged up, the pump > would starve and burn up. I put one in anyway :-) Oh, and I put a > shut-off > between the tanks and pump. Very handy to be able to shut off the fuel > supply > for any reason. > Mark L _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 16:04:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B255340445 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F6840381 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:56:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2013 21:51:25 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.11] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2013 21:51:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2013 21:51:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 13222 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jun 2013 21:51:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370987484; bh=c5+KnHA+Vy/DjTZKgmZa9yoc55IfICmv60Q6t64To/k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=szkchRBfc0deV65D73ywI4A1DTxFq8+vfxjqMfgi1AU1C7cWuMHIuoeIU2X3KHd6iw2aY2GWosJcLGKC63tKEKWC9HQOMHPoy+vTnsr4hhsbmRU7qtPUDUQhLCsx0u4JOR+yoxEQazdvJW8rk59x/qjnd6HwD3IxhqRZ2DQgzOo= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OhampJLuH2UojzyCR84ajmbAIDYzJGxmMkEKHgQEvJ7VScpvFtdnFzE99D1ePGqxHpI6THFXlV92lsiLT+WI16BxtdveL8cCx20ELw6zzMdvdgzvpM/JsH1J7aNJ3TthXj7gXhRpPRdar+2oIOnNWrVCTfKRyWiSFsNCTihS0cU=; zKkDtj.Z8tUL6Xfx1k1g4N72CZ9rsBeWgLj2j7dCRMACsJsyj3xnR2vvMKPE Ktb8zSdKu0fDnV42AJpKJxMjjwhVJLVpTWyzprequE_zxgYLQzziShr8bQwV .GOcaGXtlBMGtmrSwYLMv7WzSClfyxuv.Hwp1A5.ibxx0qdivZc6YYJvlA4U tBhovvExpCXYXbjODDFy7RGOWKTaUtxw8KyhjfSMbeS9901SlHFhdabEz5oS .bPZx0De.FKNQsfCJKAD252bVSotresmT3KoAevufBMZJ_QEiH1TWc1P5F5W oBbGfy1ajym1BlJv7U9_1rAGY0qgrtNP.o0vc95IEiYxG9Aqjg050lfCZOF_ DnkubUOYcd69Mn8hK.259o5w_04Eotmrfx8L7XCbI0hk.ihTMlu6HWtYFG7a zXDSJ9aabRn87OE3GBkzrVOCcVKpGy4PIirZ8CPFcmKe9_5jesbrwfiVApQh UBYCpDAkYOBdDj1PEjgPgqm5brFwxOKK_PDqTqRRxnb9c1rB_dgkRyygmfu2 WaSRWPHN2eoGpiuYgefukxVrvLaxZ_7yfsPAg7_Z625NWx6iU.B1FMLElO1j IiN.hv5f0pGPi5_3ImPFKzzxFA_fz.SIYyhKgE_r5YV8eeM41n2QmWvLt5l3 2hiBxjtXSLQQPuaplcch5KFN8AyD75fyewhFlpjHWpu4N5mtHXjcMqohkefk x7a46IYxJeIAwVo9m4JsPlq5Yl0ZbxwI4er9FPeHF047iOw0SxbD6ExsNB2p RKPjg.w1uw9dj_jYPNOPV70477ycj75ov5mPtuIfRBbhS9sccnXFHmmz9bzW Y23MfbdpkqGbZRW6stA2Yh5ySg2RfLSPxBmUcoEHr7.50Q1pwlTaWpVQuyN5 nBCyCaYmlYDFJnBCfkdJsnK8- Received: from [71.11.169.162] by web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:51:24 PDT TW9yZSBnb29kIFBSIGZvciBvdXIgVGlnZXJzLiBjb25ncmF0cyBNaWtlIQoKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5hdXRvd2Vlay5jb20vYXJ0aWNsZS8yMDEzMDYxMS9DQVJORVdTMDEvMTMwNjE5OTcxP3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9RGFpbHlEcml2ZTIwMTMwNjExJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW5ld3NsZXR0ZXImdXRtX3Rlcm09YXJ0aWNsZTEmdXRtX2NvbnRlbnQ9MjAxMzA2MTEtV2F0Y2gtLUluLWFuZC1hcm91bmQtYS0xOTY2LVN1bmJlYW0tVGlnZXItJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1hd2RhaWx5ZHJpdmUKCgpCZXN0IHJlZ2FyZHMsClN0ZXBoZW4BMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:51:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Waybright To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Autoweek Online: In and around a 1966 Sunbeam Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net More good PR for our Tigers. congrats Mike! http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130611/CARNEWS01/130619971?utm_source=DailyDrive20130611&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=article1&utm_content=20130611-Watch--In-and-around-a-1966-Sunbeam-Tiger-&utm_campaign=awdailydrive Best regards, Stephen Waybright www.linkedin.com/in/gswaybright _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 16:50:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8A64042D for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BA14006E for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo305 ([68.230.241.237]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130611224255.WHAW14322.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo305> for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:42:55 -0400 Received: from laptop ([68.229.231.4]) by eastrmimpo305 with cox id nAiu1l00C06M2ss01AiuD5; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:42:54 -0400 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:17 a=9_qUTbojP-4A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=o5N8b12lsSgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=QMdN11biAAAA:8 a=jU4qhlNgAAAA:8 a=4t3Af6SpqjeLLxWU-O8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Zj0PbFsocJEA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=awtiger@cox.net From: "Andy Walker" To: "'Stephen Waybright'" , References: <1370987484.98692.YahooMailNeo@web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:42:49 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIW41yEUyt1P+4sa+suBams6/Miq5igIyMA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Autoweek Online: In and around a 1966 Sunbeam Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Same here, Mike...congrats and great Tiger!!!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Waybright Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:51 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Autoweek Online: In and around a 1966 Sunbeam Tiger More good PR for our Tigers. congrats Mike! http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130611/CARNEWS01/130619971?utm_source=Dail yDrive20130611&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=article1&utm_content=20130611 -Watch--In-and-around-a-1966-Sunbeam-Tiger-&utm_campaign=awdailydrive Best regards, Stephen Waybright www.linkedin.com/in/gswaybright _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 16:54:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1586B40453 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:54:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f174.google.com (mail-vc0-f174.google.com [209.85.220.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09BF40357 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:54:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id kw10so5799570vcb.33 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:49:00 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=j0vZNcdxITZ1xLen518iETeEzaHCpr2X7IYNbKhrFZU=; b=alcsJINVFim/dB6wdKXGSYPPgSnz4Ih03BZ0yulqQ9NGjfrztJdjmtbYQNijt0GUUf 3Xy/8U5exzdm4kLkiPtGYt8oetH/6ubs7+/jlSnlSJqsjUIXBF524tXFuMqiTKGRgSiA ww4//T3XXWwgf0IduO0DppqeYVrp3R7meE1VQZZiGM9rdJLTQPb8xZHIlLIxIRwaYANL VC0hb6lbX3e2ZTd75cZ8MMYfl0OYG2trcFe4+K1idTgF5mOyILBm7k7TKBfbCcq/KvZz 6YWdB1tw7UVqfB5KpOP8tbiBcZb0igR6/A1xmG1JiNT8bn1dEZTXJudZ4tiRDfHDqhoE 687Q== bx5mr7758569vcb.71.1370990940863; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:49:00 -0700 (PDT) References: <1370987484.98692.YahooMailNeo@web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:49:00 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Stephen Waybright Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Autoweek Online: In and around a 1966 Sunbeam Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Can't say that I see any connection between the BRZ/FRS and the Tiger. However, I do love the concept of the BRZ/FRS and have been dying to test drive one. The local Scion never seems to have them and the Subaru place is even worse, and when I was there, the salesman was trying to convince me why it was not a good car. Gee, good move! On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Stephen Waybright wrote: > More good PR for our Tigers. congrats Mike! > > > http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130611/CARNEWS01/130619971?utm_source=DailyDrive20130611&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=article1&utm_content=20130611-Watch--In-and-around-a-1966-Sunbeam-Tiger-&utm_campaign=awdailydrive > > > Best regards, > Stephen Waybright > www.linkedin.com/in/gswaybright > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 16:54:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56BC54042B for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:54:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD69C40519 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:54:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7777B70071A09 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mie003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mie003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.104.131]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4D859E000085; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:49:12 -0400 (EDT) To: CoolVT@aol.com Received: from 72.145.165.105 by webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.28) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:49:12 -0400 From: pldflyer@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:49:12 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370990952; bh=qFKqTWT1zuf/tPTAX3PeIcHM5fCIhpNX4IApNM1QERI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YIuo3Wcp9Lk4Yazv3IO4wJb1fqOmS6uZlNyy0vZZsxKGUBWi279XIT+NITnqk9t7A e0FocZ8GojIOVuvwvXx3+HT51FFHFoh7BtPfWagNm/UwydbpBmovikjV/kPV1/n2X8 JbsEDpaTH7qgqMOH2J5aWTRGpuihd/MQCoyrjq0c= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c851b7a9687ba8 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] tiger fuel pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have no idea where they get or mean by 20 psi MAX...it doesn't put out 20psi obviously it would be too much. I can tell you the pressure range of the Delphi pump is rated at 5.7-8.7psi and I USE it on the stock 2 barrel without a pressure regulator with NO problems. If you want to show me something different than this spec and its reference feel free....I would like to see it. Just trying to help out the list...not everyone wants to use a facet, so I am giving an alternative that works for me. pldflyer /4 mk1a's _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 19:27:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A1240426 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm33.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm33.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949D840381 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:26:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm33.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2013 01:21:36 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.247] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2013 01:21:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1056.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2013 01:21:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 7011 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2013 01:21:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371000095; bh=irWcYIChRgclQLgSLOazTDSlQdQSxGgIIy0j9jFOc3w=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Mobcs3W6X71OaVq/6l0BBPAZk6B2QPXrZNAJo79dRZ8Zw1q6HJYjUp98+b0YKJPJUd+fpucCkIz7MQk/Gh/Cx77hG6zvSF7Hvc/wMkzmEUXHJ9it/JDQmQ14g7t+do63NosC+byDMbb8j3QRiXeTE0nPXljjwkndVg0NWVved1Y= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fL0GWbS6PpuDYHo7Kre9WeBHI6m60fnX4ULGfz7PbRbEL0QKveQo6QhJ//W0J6+WXJOtwnzOk7wep5UZXHIe4VAar1u/L1yUaLBvk5EtRsLJP3Dtu8KK6VPbap3q5rtsvfQ9PXkoPUYbXANvp/8+AlYtHmq1GRGlhPiJ6UDZqas=; 1hrVbHHV0mlhVdnyK4hecodO2mz03_aqxF2x3vcQDjyooLie8V1k1tsJr_IM IyOnBO9YaS47SAHjJiviImPkmyK7TNUn__Yng5WHUdMi1kLPIsELfH68bpjR QL0rEKgadFc3CSiaCNC27fYnGiWrCp5jUtcXupbsqj.fKqKUwFeTMvIGYhcS 1yuvsbd0U3cSEWNrduhknvRbQ6WNxykTcDF3WTFqwn_n_7QUtCReLYLk8LG8 nLEl_ap2YoDbqv_4dMTMfQP589Zyv_AECQbdWeuDMoFLdxiiE.bNnvXgis.C yhnaFD4EWbes1C6a_Ct0LnqGxKPoRldKnr8W.mgINtGJZHlMcB5HEWCW5zah .8ALVb1ogRDu7ChSIKSLcwREcvEWZ4bnDW.lDIpU2QXPN1qyv3HMJR.6ROGV cqNIm4imMtX80WZrY4BuLlPFgmNcq0v.lSJhlWQQk_FidjyEPgNITpmRulDK Qw1fUAH3S2lEz.H5f.UlABwy50pr6i_tYv7zm49x4XHEicMPK1aoVZrrlRg- - Received: from [72.29.162.82] by web141104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:21:35 PDT SW5zaWRlIGVhY2ggb2Ygb3VyIGNhcnMnIGRvb3JzIGlzIG1ldGFsIHN0cmFwIHdoaWNoIGxpbWl0cyBob3cgZmFyIHRoZSBkb29yIGNhbiBvcGVuLiBUaGUgc3RyYXBzIGFyZSBmaXR0ZWQgd2l0aCBydWJiZXIgYnVtcCBzdG9wcyBhbmQgdGhlIG9uZXMgb24gbXkgY2FyIGhhdmUgcGVyaXNoZWQgYmFkbHkuIEkgd29uZGVyZWQgaWYgYW55b25lIGhhcyByZW5ld2VkIHRoZXNlIG9yIGtub3dzIG9mIGEgcmVwbGFjZW1lbnQgZm9yIHRoZSBydWJiZXIgYnVtcGVycz8gU3VuYmVhbSBTcGVjaWFsdGllcyBvZmZlcnMBMAEBAQE- References: <8D0350D069F0553-730-2C408@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:21:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Packer To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Suggestions for Door Limiting Strap Bumpers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Inside each of our cars' doors is metal strap which limits how far the door can open. The straps are fitted with rubber bump stops and the ones on my car have perished badly. I wondered if anyone has renewed these or knows of a replacement for the rubber bumpers? Sunbeam Specialties offers a complete replacement strap - part #DP70 for $30 each. But mine are fine except for needing new rubber stops. I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who's renewed these. Terry Packer 9470018 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 23:14:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F258740423 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:14:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com (mail-pb0-f43.google.com [209.85.160.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2775C400FF for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:06:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id md12so8251307pbc.30 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:01:01 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=EyJRwcky86TaXGzWLUIey/ZI6J6D9WglUsbOA2OZCBQ=; b=0ukw3hN6FxRwWpIzVQEuzjiSn7TFF4J93uWVYK39aIBLAo41fKPa+9UN3T40j0Zb0/ Q/o2OZFYaPjo51L8gOR52WvKS8t7V0ORyfxGDEncsHdwE5jBDoyBLK34um9+lazrclJD VBPmydlNLy52k3sYJyY97t3fJeRxhWDPxfskdxD5MlaRAW1P6SqMe3CyVq6BKYbCWnSt g+ADh94RB9pw8eNBlvdMU5bnNLL42ZhvIWENHDyV59mhwG0svxfB5pOJ8Hcd6aaHkp19 WkfWbFcani4Ktwy8QxISBcP/x2Ho2hNREsChgwE/Z7dTCSyTPcYTfsGJsxK7ZDdaudda RHyA== nv4mr17806576pbb.178.1371013261567; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id nt2sm17590434pbc.17.2013.06.11.22.01.00 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:01:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:00:59 -0700 To: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net So I've proceeded a bit more on the carb. The back float bowl was a disaster. The gasket was really stuck on the carb. I used the chemical gasket remover. But it wasn't all that much help. And, the cleaner and some of he small scrapings ended up in the small holes. What a mess. I think I've cleaned them all out now. On the front float bowl, that came off and cleaned up easily enough. But the next part, the large piece that covers the power valve seems as stuck as the rear float bowl gasket. I'm thinking I might just leave that one alone at this point. Unless someone tells me it is critical to replace the power valve and whatever else is in there. Also, is there some reason my dad might have had the floats really high? The rear one was a little high from the "parallel to the ground" that the Holley instructions suggest. But the front one was really high - almost to the top. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 00:18:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6CF40424 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 00:18:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0514403A7 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 00:10:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nJ3K1l0031bwxycA1J4uT0; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 06:04:54 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nJ4t1l00K2yr1eL8eJ4t7Y; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 06:04:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 06:04:53 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Jay Laifman s=q20121106; t=1371017094; bh=okyqoKxImW46wIgUNCChJmhMKBDTb6mxeUrFfeiXtkc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=QhTFqCfGevOG0jJ0P9mAeFw0hLNTr3mWBFryxs3KoREHLWOmfEiP2fSHajkH4Dcau MlMDzHEbUmpxFaPVV+BsGPY+Y2R5WH5POOdk3y1Cl1cxxf5K+VZYbLLlq6Tf8y2JCw sHWj6I6Z8VXgNCaftRTPg9K5jMT4Qtj29SeFfObtffVnlbzH7olHS32TUaiALiRZmv WwlCBtY5ZIbuaKyb9ePEIa46RTEwaKBBiNnfjLOjTngyYZ+eM6/Vyub99igB4xzcf3 s3AtgBg0caGPcy7Hioz9/6urR2Ap2dRzHrf1stsgVg6HaUbPsukhT5eSgPtTyyq/NL LLFwOppBSAFmA== Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Holleys are supposedly very sensitive to float levels being set properly. Not knowing how the motor was running before, it is hard to guess for what he may have been compensating. Was it running rich? I believe the carbs are designed such that the secondary is set about 1/16 below the level of the primary in terms of where the sight window sits with respect to the floor of the bowl. I think that is to keep the secondaries for functioning before they are supposed to. I vaguely remember reading that the weight of the fuel has a major impact on when and how the jets function, and too much fuel in the bowl equals too much fuel weight. I read all this a long time ago in the Fisher book on Holley carbs. A great resource if you have not read it. Depending on when your carb was made, it may or may not have power valve blow-out protection in it. Holley makes a retrofit "kit" to add that to the older carbs. As long as you have the carb apart, I would suggest you add that protection if it does not already exist. The kit is pretty cheap. I expect the new gaskets you are installing are the "blue" ones. They seal better than the old ones, make taking things apart a lot easier in the future and I think are reusable (as long as they do not tear). Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Laifman" To: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:00:59 AM Subject: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls So I've proceeded a bit more on the carb. The back float bowl was a disaster. The gasket was really stuck on the carb. I used the chemical gasket remover. But it wasn't all that much help. And, the cleaner and some of he small scrapings ended up in the small holes. What a mess. I think I've cleaned them all out now. On the front float bowl, that came off and cleaned up easily enough. But the next part, the large piece that covers the power valve seems as stuck as the rear float bowl gasket. I'm thinking I might just leave that one alone at this point. Unless someone tells me it is critical to replace the power valve and whatever else is in there. Also, is there some reason my dad might have had the floats really high? The rear one was a little high from the "parallel to the ground" that the Holley instructions suggest. But the front one was really high - almost to the top. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 08:18:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACBF4041E for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:18:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E79403C6 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:17:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm36.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2013 14:12:46 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.243] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2013 14:12:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1052.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2013 14:12:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 2951 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2013 14:12:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371046366; bh=AQbSBqI1G7OgHYhTjjjsnPJVIMdp0EhK8yDkW4/kRPw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qBMz4KqT2ofet7LX/ddOa2ftTokYlTJUtEXE9Hy+pWQuyG10M5qR7Ir6I8ObaADtD1An6N2zlX1lnH6kwaEA7O2Dgg5SKeDb0Q+jL6Z0hIYnb+o9S5OFSTX12BVn61OuIGfwgxdyVDP0y1CCfXvjj7OAaOOBlsWGviZeHhUuyh4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EgGF1QbtWrzulc9yJ1ZvdwgdASyIOikQVdbTQE+xAG9p8uBPClL52t5HPRRzsbWviikZIEtMdgytpvqaXrx/0h20fRjwME0WNLWMJuQiRCxuDiIy2EiA3ifleFhRTYKOo/st/NiTHyAIlV/xaGtL5P5MUxm/4LPojQelQIKAzdw=; uBIevugoKmeSFCuRz5AxXTe86uoTe9czGPEnYpK5FzClSe0lvJ3Iwgp.b93r YvoIKdy11DrPjJxA0ClKmMN0XKeCOyc0o5zdXtPS9XdW_Pzj4D3E5sihR7Kx kVktk7feQFb_i4sZdz0NEpihRdVYyvno5zGQdtuOYimciWIpS6Q.nlpcnhFT b1ujQF3udD0FsgbFVupB6Lj5_kEv1HZHshsbMLuXYQAyqT5GMMS3ADcpf_mk i0xojCqwOUkmb2cOL5we1sy9tyLvHS7M6SOf1R7RzzzwS7g.q.BbZcUM8NBp RpX6sHbLIlKYLTnudjGv27SyVZz_Fu3Jp04.V1WXhYbMXABz8c_04dkSui9L Btc5udI.HeTKHo5aKShPK7QSNtW13bbYZztJfr4NCHTwPUyxJhGojXn4pBHf CTSVjhmQ4mosvs2uWr1Nq1x.T0NAwEyubxp69.lAb0RkzsMlFEEI3aIB57tC 1TwHrNAjz9ZWpb7.y3Q-- Received: from [98.110.172.183] by web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:12:46 PDT SmF5LApMZXQgbWUgdHJ5IHRvIHVuZGVyc3RhbmQgdGhpcywgeW91ciBlcnN0d2hpbGUgc2FsZXNtYW4gdG9sZCB5b3UgdGhhdCB5b3Ugc2hvdWxkbid0IHdhbnQgdG8gbG9vayBhdCB0aGUgQlJaL0ZSUywgYmVjYXVzZSB3aHk_IEhlJ3Mgb3V0IG9mIHN0b2NrLCB3aGVyZSdzIGEgd2FpdGluZyBsaXN0IGZvciBpdD8KRGlkIG1hbmFnZW1lbnQgdGVsbCBoaW0gdG8gc3RvcCBzZWxsaW5nIHRoZW0_IERvZXMgbWFuYWdlbWVudCBrbm93IGhlJ3MgZ3JlZXRpbmcgcHJvc3BlY3RpdmUgYnV5ZXJzIGxpa2UgdGhpcz8BMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:12:46 -0700 (PDT) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Off topic - BRZ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, Let me try to understand this, your erstwhile salesman told you that you shouldn't want to look at the BRZ/FRS, because why? He's out of stock, where's a waiting list for it? Did management tell him to stop selling them? Does management know he's greeting prospective buyers like this? This is a hoot. It's like a Ford salesman telling a prospective Mustang buyer late in 1964, "Nope, you don't want one of these, no one does". I'd go, "Next salesman, please." Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 08:31:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A04E4044F for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:31:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f173.google.com (mail-ie0-f173.google.com [209.85.223.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F72040046 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:31:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id k13so3910020iea.4 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:26:23 -0700 (PDT) h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=DGWZd4rJM/p0B+3Zg+ipts2Xc09sfEMr3+8RDZ3m7zw=; b=YpzwK1BKVrSaK9hj9T6YU+tVmPMTl3fykn3rwBAsuJZzkY9WWVEo9ym9E9GuMtFwCU qZu0FcvW8uMThNuEJwZ+gFwkzxvmLtisxICKo8g/P3rGwMHR0ERk5VDXgxVTAS1aVCL3 YtBA95lI9hmdPyxdlnPKiQ7h/wFDji0/NYtzcKDMUDZHvi2B1BwI+kNbQi0clgXF5wS7 pbwcJY8hC65lWT+PvIrSnGmq76/qI2vNYCnXh0gIpishVzD+FCojAyT5MXpT4zZmfIwg sBGSRRgsUie/GyBVcU2tk56jFiQzk9yqprUQ/UyHpqEQVDEKQPTQKlGxX9unC3gwqcpJ C6hw== l12mr3387239igf.45.1371047183463; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.186 (bda-74-82-80-88.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id yt6sm18598596igb.2.2013.06.12.07.26.22 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:26:22 -0700 (PDT) References: <1371046366.2681.YahooMailNeo@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "snakebit289" ,"tigers@autox.team.net" From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:25:55 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off topic - BRZ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ha! That pretty much sums it up. But I just want a test drive. I'm not a buyer any time soon. So I didn't bother. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: snakebit289 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:12:46 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Off topic - BRZ Jay, Let me try to understand this, your erstwhile salesman told you that you shouldn't want to look at the BRZ/FRS, because why? He's out of stock, where's a waiting list for it? Did management tell him to stop selling them? Does management know he's greeting prospective buyers like this? This is a hoot. It's like a Ford salesman telling a prospective Mustang buyer late in 1964, "Nope, you don't want one of these, no one does". I'd go, "Next salesman, please." Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 08:32:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C85040554 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:32:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4797F40046 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:32:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nRcZ1l0061u4NiLABSTBey; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:27:11 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nSTB1l00Q2yr1eL8hSTB1Y; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:27:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:27:11 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Jay Laifman s=q20121106; t=1371047231; bh=5AoHuOYVEWjmfUUHjKxpJtOscwKlzCmGU5eqXgshK2Y=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=WCgQR9VuTSnew2l3REYdT2N8n9epUjcMNbQfwyWrd9n5hDBikeHypRKIg3DiZB3oW 8kHxKW5j+h9OKRWBLffoIfDBJBCud9UYo/ADG4Vb+Rn8VQRKXVQvd0SXCamsfcuOtr uUAZSerTWjRZzKRSWdsOtkJ7BAF1eHMbze75FYhRdruSxVxVjZQjur95EQGjtJCGFm 83EmT3AKDys6OcTB0+oYJX6ug7Ax1qnBhPca2fyPTGXhatxhl05HDOId8G5MmKr5iD SmyWgaT6hdorgQQ5ocbBm0OHYA7bsu5oWYn/NEj5KT+XjDCuHeO4I08oEcagoDV5oR QuNlPvTRutm7w== Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Oh Jay... I feel your pain!! It brings it all back.. yup, your Holley must be from the same vintage as my 4bbl. Now my much older 2bbl never had those stuck forever gaskets. Be sure to use the plain paper ones when you put it back together, they WILL leak but so did the others. The floats get adjusted in place, wet. At least that's an easy step. As delivered, my 600cfm list 1850 was waaayy rich, I went down 2 jet sizes as I recall. I hope your dad's ox sensor is still working, that is a very good thing to have! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Laifman To: tigers@autox.team.net Den Sent: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 05:00:59 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls So I've proceeded a bit more on the carb. The back float bowl was a disaster. The gasket was really stuck on the carb. I used the chemical gasket remover. But it wasn't all that much help. And, the cleaner and some of he small scrapings ended up in the small holes. What a mess. I think I've cleaned them all out now. On the front float bowl, that came off and cleaned up easily enough. But the next part, the large piece that covers the power valve seems as stuck as the rear float bowl gasket. I'm thinking I might just leave that one alone at this point. Unless someone tells me it is critical to replace the power valve and whatever else is in there. Also, is there some reason my dad might have had the floats really high? The rear one was a little high from the "parallel to the ground" that the Holley instructions suggest. But the front one was really high - almost to the top. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 08:42:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3DF40426 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:42:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from db8outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (mail-db8lp0185.outbound.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2ED403C6 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:34:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail42-db8-R.bigfish.com (10.174.8.235) by DB8EHSOBE001.bigfish.com (10.174.4.64) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:28:54 +0000 Received: from mail42-db8 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail42-db8-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3A99400AD; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:28:54 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail42-db8: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail42-db8 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail42-db8 (MessageSwitch) id 1371047331336481_1460; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DB8EHSMHS006.bigfish.com (unknown [10.174.8.232]) by mail42-db8.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA71DC0049; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by DB8EHSMHS006.bigfish.com (10.174.4.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:28:50 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com (10.5.4.104) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:28:53 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.4.104]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:28:46 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Jay Laifman , "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls Thread-Index: AQHOZysD/6pUHzq8AUSWQAmj78c1RpkyIWiw Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:28:46 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Too-high floats are usually more trouble than too-low floats because you can get unintended flooding during hard cornering or braking. If your needle and seat size is marginal (or if the fuel pump/fuel line flow capacity is not that good) then having the floats low can cause starvation on sustained full-throttle due to insufficient fuel volume in the carb. I'm not familiar with the float setting procedure on the Holley carbs, but I'm sure there are specific tweaks that can be done, depending on the float bowl style, to alleviate the common driving concerns. On many Weber carbs, you had to be a bit careful because the float high limit was set by flipping the assembly upside down, and this would sometimes lead people to adjusting the things in the wrong direction. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman > Sent: June 11, 2013 11:01 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net Den > Subject: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls > > Also, is there some reason my dad might have had the floats really > high? The rear one was a little high from the "parallel to the ground" > that the Holley instructions suggest. But the front one was really > high - almost to the top. > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 08:52:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29EED403F9 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A32C4006E for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:49:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MOA00CVMBLHISL0@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:44:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <1371046366.2681.YahooMailNeo@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:44:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off topic - BRZ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Other than referring to it as the "local" dealer Jay never mentioned what is (or was) self proclaimed as the "World's largest auto mall." Such a place resides about mid point between where Jay and I respectively live. Thus, I assume this is the location where his interest was dismissed. I'm not surprised. Years ago I had a friend that went to the mall fully intended to purchase a Honda Odyssey. While he had the appearance of "Uncle Jed," he also had Jed's money - intending to pay cash for his purchase. After 20 minutes in the showroom, and being ignored by the sales staff, he left and took his money elsewhere. Tom > Jay, > Let me try to understand this, your erstwhile salesman told you that you > shouldn't want to look at the BRZ/FRS, because why? He's out of stock, > where's > a waiting list for it? > Did management tell him to stop selling them? Does > management know he's greeting prospective buyers like this? This is a > hoot. > It's like a Ford salesman telling a prospective > Mustang buyer late in 1964, > "Nope, you don't want one of these, no one does". I'd go, "Next salesman, > please." > > Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 09:01:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA0D4044A for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:01:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f170.google.com (mail-ie0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B61F40074; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:01:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id e11so7580222iej.15 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:56:21 -0700 (PDT) h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=laTY5hLJWkONBBNXsb3Cp7VbW546SYl82mEpZvqYB4Q=; b=QFuneh35ZgdoFCtPzr0Cdw6czqC/enZO0cyZWZrP8ADH4i6zjn5FPp/V8g4ZN072UH DDBKfmJbdzRxDKkZO8VyntPHdd23zjmd+Y98x7gBnyGmx4WuT4RwkCV57L+QGgSpNRB5 ESLkn/TN0gIvgxMlqcPjIoPfodGfiYeDnXkS5MB/3MX2KuT44RBJQgGmjOSoybhze7t3 ucab0K+QC4ZeqGR5/iKhw4WXZ4lJffo/M7q5tCYYCSOikSsL/87mNwq3Cc831extPKAw 9BC+qfDBq4SUkvDBAvgxnyQT5mqUzdZ6o5HhUKBWw/HEOR2AuuKRQtryaHZU/54/y57i okrw== cp9mr7883633icc.18.1371048981367; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.186 (bda-74-82-80-88.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x10sm2681582igl.3.2013.06.12.07.56.20 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:56:20 -0700 (PDT) References: <1371046366.2681.YahooMailNeo@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5C403A2964454E1C8F58E349E2C8D905@optiplex3301> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Thomas Witt" , tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:55:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off topic - BRZ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yep. Same exact thing happened to my father in law the successful cardiologist who went into Rusnak fully ready to drive off in an A8. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Thomas Witt" To: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off topic - BRZ Other than referring to it as the "local" dealer Jay never mentioned what is (or was) self proclaimed as the "World's largest auto mall." Such a place resides about mid point between where Jay and I respectively live. Thus, I assume this is the location where his interest was dismissed. I'm not surprised. Years ago I had a friend that went to the mall fully intended to purchase a Honda Odyssey. While he had the appearance of "Uncle Jed," he also had Jed's money - intending to pay cash for his purchase. After 20 minutes in the showroom, and being ignored by the sales staff, he left and took his money elsewhere. Tom > Jay, > Let me try to understand this, your erstwhile salesman told you that you > shouldn't want to look at the BRZ/FRS, because why? He's out of stock, > where's > a waiting list for it? > Did management tell him to stop selling them? Does > management know he's greeting prospective buyers like this? This is a > hoot. > It's like a Ford salesman telling a prospective > Mustang buyer late in 1964, > "Nope, you don't want one of these, no one does". I'd go, "Next salesman, > please." > > Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 09:12:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA27C403FC for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:12:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218734006F for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:10:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nRfj1l0041vN32cA2T5Svp; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:05:26 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nT5S1l00R2yr1eL8iT5Sx5; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:05:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:05:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" s=q20121106; t=1371049526; bh=GTvOGQQ5NXg/ibXuyAaE0tgUk7y5euuCorbQ8c7oeeA=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=AiEowGZ+kWXF37VKTiiqNrOsbeai1IcMlWtSqvyEl6LeX7ACLV6eda4ZyeyAN2a9A kMbiKNc7BSLTMcVdSIzy5+EBExfE6GFoFLHQYo9hKp9adZYQyqKUuNAhQ0Qf37wBmP 3XxVkozEfOBv0bJwiw/uR5fL23r5YOnQkrlimshVF9Rqv/dokMvODfxDbO4Wj6mDgB VkqwVTJHm/kDq1ddw/7rByRV8bOBN6bHS6AhMX4HTQd4ahz+Vr37jJ73H5qza8C84j NE+oVfRupQCThNRnpAScVVzpRr5cuNcpwDsT0rL7vTU1E9JIvV05Is2ujDX/PYgr8V H5XXmh3lG/35w== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Also, The "rebuild" level is probably a low level just to get you going. The instructions are to always set the level wet after installation. Float level has a minor(?) influence on mixture. Your dad may have tweaked it based on his ox sensor readings? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Theo Smit To: Jay Laifman , tigers@autox.team.net Den Sent: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:28:46 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls Too-high floats are usually more trouble than too-low floats because you can get unintended flooding during hard cornering or braking. If your needle and seat size is marginal (or if the fuel pump/fuel line flow capacity is not that good) then having the floats low can cause starvation on sustained full-throttle due to insufficient fuel volume in the carb. I'm not familiar with the float setting procedure on the Holley carbs, but I'm sure there are specific tweaks that can be done, depending on the float bowl style, to alleviate the common driving concerns. On many Weber carbs, you had to be a bit careful because the float high limit was set by flipping the assembly upside down, and this would sometimes lead people to adjusting the things in the wrong direction. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman > Sent: June 11, 2013 11:01 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net Den > Subject: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls > > Also, is there some reason my dad might have had the floats really > high? The rear one was a little high from the "parallel to the ground" > that the Holley instructions suggest. But the front one was really > high - almost to the top. > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 09:17:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F240403F1 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:17:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3726040079 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:17:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id fn20so8048809lab.0 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:11:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=3y+AbA9Fyi34/YlU+uedXfrv2KAA6sWsLvmsepIj5go=; b=E3WDAQithwcK8FBcvw+dMvU3nWqcXi1tnvDzmgE+DhFa4WO/V/s//0gGE6mMXtZ9A0 SqiRIX789QZqUnzZVttUultjnRiqg+PdRKqYoq+fM9SGRM6UI7E69nw6L9rg291iO+G6 wdtU1d+X8/XAsxZR5xLxC8VVBcZG5SYQho40/RaT/3ZF/GoGygUJaYzIPdeE5eocrqU7 l6eM6TYt/iX7MQt1uHdsjKFSkm6JfXzPIENjMukmUVNV2HVvZZ/qIvb16dsnDvxlRHw4 iEukWOjAnHu+jcQ6R8H5JvqIig/OmoY1VS8tWwUm9sejJB+CoVFJuFq5UW1ZyVdswNa5 Dm1w== wa5mr11091804lbb.63.1371049916783; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.67.133 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:11:26 -0700 (PDT) References: <1371046366.2681.YahooMailNeo@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5C403A2964454E1C8F58E349E2C8D905@optiplex3301> From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:11:26 -0400 To: Thomas Witt Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off topic - BRZ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I spent many hours in showrooms as a kid and then as a teenager and as a college student, upon graduation and securing a job, I wanted a new car the next spring I deliberately dressed down like a bum, dirty t-shirt, torn bluejeans, raggedy tennis shoes and went car shopping. It was 1984, I was 24 and was torn between a 944, an Audi Coupe or a VW GTi, all at the same dealership. Having visited the lot the night before when it was closed, I already knew what I wanted to talk about, what they cost, what features they had and did my research on what i though I could buy each of them for. The next day, I drove over in my TR-6 with the top down, parked it across the street at a shopping center and walked onto the lot, not one, two or three salesman ignored me. but about six, the seventh was an older man, he was nice, friendly and very down to earth. He asked if he could help me and proceeded to let me drive the three cars ( aggressively as well ), went over the numbers with me and wasn't condescending in the slightest manner. I chose the Audi GT Coupe ( loved that car and always pretended it was a Quattro ). When we were doing the paperwork, I asked him why he waited on me, when nobody else would. He said that as a younger salesman, that " once upon a time, a man dressed in overalls, covered in mud and smelling of pig@#$% came into the dealership with two 16 year old girls, they looked dirt poor. Nobody with experience would wait on them and so he as the new guy got the nod, The girls walked around a bit and each selected a different colored drop top Bug and the old man said to him, them'll do. The salesman said which one and the old man said, both, and then he pulled out a wad of 100's that would choke a horse. Turns out that he owed a pig farm, a really big pig farm, like 5,000 pigs on hundreds of acres about 50 miles outside of town. Ever since then, I wait on everybody." Then I wrote a check for that car, $13,800 and he followed me in it so I could drive my TR-6 home and then I took him back to the dealership. Not that it matters to my story, but I slept that night in the front seat, just smelling my first new car. Michael Shortt On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Thomas Witt wrote: > Other than referring to it as the "local" dealer Jay never mentioned what > is (or was) self proclaimed as the "World's largest auto mall." Such a > place resides about mid point between where Jay and I respectively live. > Thus, I assume this is the location where his interest was dismissed. I'm > not surprised. Years ago I had a friend that went to the mall fully > intended to purchase a Honda Odyssey. While he had the appearance of "Uncle > Jed," he also had Jed's money - intending to pay cash for his purchase. > After 20 minutes in the showroom, and being ignored by the sales staff, he > left and took his money elsewhere. > > Tom > > > Jay, >> Let me try to understand this, your erstwhile salesman told you that you >> shouldn't want to look at the BRZ/FRS, because why? He's out of stock, >> where's >> a waiting list for it? >> Did management tell him to stop selling them? Does >> management know he's greeting prospective buyers like this? This is a >> hoot. >> It's like a Ford salesman telling a prospective >> Mustang buyer late in 1964, >> "Nope, you don't want one of these, no one does". I'd go, "Next salesman, >> please." >> >> Rande >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/michael@** > michaelshortt.com > > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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[74.82.80.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fu2sm5038048igb.3.2013.06.12.08.31.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:31:45 -0700 (PDT) References: <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A20213F@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> <1640319426.163717.1371049526364.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Gary Winblad" ,"tigers@autox.team.net Den" From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:31:41 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm worried that he never knew the bowls were way off and adjusted jets to compensate. It wouldn't be like him. But we'll see what happens when I reset them. The problem is that one is so off that there is no way the screw adjuster will be enough. I'm going to have to bend it before reassembly. But thinking about how off it is, I'm also going to make sure it doesn't have any holes in it. Also, I'm used to Webers where the jets are easy to swap (and float level is critical). I'm thinking the Holley is not so easy and he would have had to see the floats anyway to change the jets. The ox sensor. I haven't paid too much attention to that other than to note it is frequently in the red. It has a row of lights going from green to yellow to red. Can someone tell me under what driving conditions should it be in the color bands? Like idle, cruising, slowly accelerating and on it? And is it likely to be accurate or could it be wrong because of a gazillion things? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Gary Winblad Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:05:26 To: tigers@autox.team.net Den Cc: Jay Laifman Subject: Re: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls Also, The "rebuild" level is probably a low level just to get you going. The instructions are to always set the level wet after installation. Float level has a minor(?) influence on mixture. Your dad may have tweaked it based on his ox sensor readings? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Theo Smit To: Jay Laifman , tigers@autox.team.net Den Sent: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:28:46 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls Too-high floats are usually more trouble than too-low floats because you can get unintended flooding during hard cornering or braking. If your needle and seat size is marginal (or if the fuel pump/fuel line flow capacity is not that good) then having the floats low can cause starvation on sustained full-throttle due to insufficient fuel volume in the carb. I'm not familiar with the float setting procedure on the Holley carbs, but I'm sure there are specific tweaks that can be done, depending on the float bowl style, to alleviate the common driving concerns. On many Weber carbs, you had to be a bit careful because the float high limit was set by flipping the assembly upside down, and this would sometimes lead people to adjusting the things in the wrong direction. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman > Sent: June 11, 2013 11:01 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net Den > Subject: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls > > Also, is there some reason my dad might have had the floats really > high? The rear one was a little high from the "parallel to the ground" > that the Holley instructions suggest. But the front one was really > high - almost to the top. > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 13 10:07:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2708140512 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:07:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DD44042E for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:06:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nqe21l0041Y3wxoADs12v8; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:01:02 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ns111l00w2yr1eL8bs11h5; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:01:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:01:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: jay laifman s=q20121106; t=1371139262; bh=rezUl3KRmArOo+Vrze7vUkvZ6DZLADbrwU1J6nvRObc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=UygnBLQ9roZXmSmCNG4lNk5FOvXqbSyF8E5UyfLTFws+Q9XhrTMKkfP51Jipc2eBo aOZPMXn8TYECCnuQpHXYMybhq3aIesUuoOUUeOgzjb3Puc/PSBMmQB7EE0dBc/l3qL SjiA68m+nmJUUGPyJwwSTJ9gK2QZSRj3hsdiKkNiqcEPK4IdCdu7bPshqd9TZIWh7G FWnXrVLob0RPx1tYL6sJWmUrPNLxbW2AQpXr/6EQ6GA9wuZ+Oe3Er1PcNjwaP3WNZH yQ/vuDFWOWIoHsOyY4UCcqfUjMi1u5LJ7Inp/eML/HfA0Hxe90QqopDj7MbuihCu6H SouBN8zi6OQdg== Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ox sensor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, The ox sensor is probably a useful tool. Unlike your dad, I never got around to installing one but do want to. You should find the directions for the one you have. Here is for the Edlebrock: http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/instructions/edl-6593.pdf Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: jay laifman To: Gary Winblad , tigers@autox.team.net Den Sent: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:31:41 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls I'm worried that he never knew the bowls were way off and adjusted jets to compensate. It wouldn't be like him. But we'll see what happens when I reset them. The problem is that one is so off that there is no way the screw adjuster will be enough. I'm going to have to bend it before reassembly. But thinking about how off it is, I'm also going to make sure it doesn't have any holes in it. Also, I'm used to Webers where the jets are easy to swap (and float level is critical). I'm thinking the Holley is not so easy and he would have had to see the floats anyway to change the jets. The ox sensor. I haven't paid too much attention to that other than to note it is frequently in the red. It has a row of lights going from green to yellow to red. Can someone tell me under what driving conditions should it be in the color bands? Like idle, cruising, slowly accelerating and on it? And is it likely to be accurate or could it be wrong because of a gazillion things? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Gary Winblad Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:05:26 +0000 (UTC)To: tigers@autox.team.net DenCc: Jay LaifmanSubject: Re: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls Also, The "rebuild" level is probably a low level just to get you going. The instructions are to always set the level wet after installation. Float level has a minor(?) influence on mixture. Your dad may have tweaked it based on his ox sensor readings? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Theo Smit To: Jay Laifman , tigers@autox.team.net Den Sent: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:28:46 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls Too-high floats are usually more trouble than too-low floats because you can get unintended flooding during hard cornering or braking. If your needle and seat size is marginal (or if the fuel pump/fuel line flow capacity is not that good) then having the floats low can cause starvation on sustained full-throttle due to insufficient fuel volume in the carb. I'm not familiar with the float setting procedure on the Holley carbs, but I'm sure there are specific tweaks that can be done, depending on the float bowl style, to alleviate the common driving concerns. On many Weber carbs, you had to be a bit careful because the float high limit was set by flipping the assembly upside down, and this would sometimes lead people to adjusting the things in the wrong direction. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman > Sent: June 11, 2013 11:01 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net Den > Subject: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls > > Also, is there some reason my dad might have had the floats really > high? The rear one was a little high from the "parallel to the ground" > that the Holley instructions suggest. But the front one was really > high - almost to the top. > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 13 11:24:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4983E40406 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com (mail-vc0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B47403E2 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:23:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hv10so7302520vcb.8 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:18:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lh3ssqVItb5PhGGpD+ReU3G3dxwP9TR4ySns6+7KM8w=; b=jLFDReqko67EIkNUJV55qHn0OYsPYsyglsz9+/IzUGHo7GWxryhjncEs0VWGjp6ftL MBgPRrP1Ckcje50dZCL2kTWq71IaInNTSEDmv5R1Cir48BujRY0VMHM2elt4ZF5KeCVs SE214o1smGrVmEA49OUiSwndygKyaMS4ZnCpyKIhE4Zir+Z7FbrehARiQOnAEGPSzdzn e8/v2egQHJFFOh4ckt+FT5xhHVtVGtlhHX3rKOdQqBIB5inW208AW5AeJe4ya+N5ObYX kbUWWjUBNqkHs9V1Bx0VCJAouIYJnqE9FPDE/SwVWWcK5imHqoj3c7BqKkaU+npkOwyh Q49w== ym19mr677566vdb.38.1371143883949; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:18:03 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: [Tigers] Float Adjustment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In case anyone cares, I just spoke to Holley. They said that to set the floats, first take off the float adjustment set screw. Then unscrew completely the adjustment nut (which I at first thought was the locking nut, with the screw as the adjustment). Then make sure there are 4 threads on the float adjuster showing outside of the float bowl. Then bend the tang so that the center line of the float is horizontal to the top of the float bowl (whith the float bowl upside down). Then go back and adjust with the engine running. There is a great short video on Holley's web site on that part. Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 14 19:46:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE66D42A9C for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 19:46:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0F042A93 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 19:39:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ha12so870229vcb.7 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:37:57 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=S+hcrF9J3300PticMaf/9WXr/ikk7FEjMNH8L+BQFXY=; b=rKiFt6i31DOieOkSJDqPUj2w9ReXiHcuaQFmGe+zvWwRN4aLdxKxpSppBrUJKwiVi1 2PWB4V2TdHP5BbNPYz2q0BMxLOc5Yo2ztuz7LFR+JaInMPXMrVrwiC98tXuw51iO3ntE jPp7OyenadRRMV1bMnlcB7MJ+aM+DZRU5Wwz7AcMIueIQztZH0mWUVyGFhHo9PZ1iGha mju65ySgyB0BXYdvwX/41LHqQbr+umlS+DFKvunZQt44nRxOScT7uIztFgcy2rEl6fDe vspe3NA+dF9xQVFfUJXltV2eZA58EEEOz1INh/eQAaKfCXCGD+QEGVrA7SSNXmagdoEg Y50A== Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:03:39 -0700 (PDT) References: <479130400.206883.1371139261792.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <45C631A18EFF4C149CC9F3E816518A55@DavePC> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:03:39 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Dave Munroe Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ox sensor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks. I can't tell you how many times my dad talked about making sure I had a bung put in any car when I was having muffler work done. Since that's already there, and I'm sure your description of what I have is accurate, I'll definitely look into a wide band meter. Thanks again, Jay On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Dave Munroe wrote: > > Jay: > > That sounds like a narrow-band A/F Meter. These were the first on the > market as useful mass-produced mixture reading tools, but they were only > accurate in a very narrow band either side of the 14.6 air/fuel ratio. They > are not very useful beyond indicating this ratio under different > throttle/load parameters, and 14.6 is not the correct mixture very often. > > Under load and big throttle openings you want rich to very rich mixtures > (around 12/1) for max power and at light throttle openings you want ratios > in the lean end (around 17 or 18/1) for good fuel economy. With your meter > you can never be sure exactly what your air/fuel mixture ratio is, other > than 14.6 which is chemically the perfect ratio for clean burning, but not > for all throttle openings and load situations. BUT, getting your mixture to > 14.6 at 650 rpm should give you a klller idle, and that's a good thing. > > I supercharged an MGB about 10 years ago and wide band meters and sensors > were in the stratosphere price wise, so I bought one of these narrow band > meters. It was marginally useful, but kept me from melting pistons which I > did regularly before I got the meter. > > Wide band meters are infinitely more useful and accurate over the whole > throttle/load range, and are now less expensive than what I (and likely > your Dad) paid for our narrow band meters back in the day. Theyalso have > USB ports to feed your computer, which opens up a whole new world of > mixture control to we anals, which allows seriously accurate carb and > ignition tuning, and you can print out the results to impress fellow > obsessive compulsives.... > > Dave > > > > > Sent: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:31:41 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls > > > The ox sensor. I haven't paid too much attention to that other than to > note > it is frequently in the red. It has a row of lights going from green to > yellow > to red. Can someone tell me under what driving conditions should it be in > the > color bands? Like idle, cruising, slowly accelerating and on it? And is > it > likely to be accurate or could it be wrong because of a gazillion things? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 14 19:49:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397FD42BAF for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 19:49:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f181.google.com (mail-gh0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2915429C6 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 19:43:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gh0-f181.google.com with SMTP id z12so358803ghb.40 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:42:20 -0700 (PDT) s=google; h=message-id:from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=vA04EbNc9q/B5MASgFjWjrjSRQrrw1gilyAxNoGV13I=; b=i6RxDRSaLcewAzoSOvDdFPXtLqPxIXf6Ri8SG7Yqo98gioraQQrl6kHZcobLy2E1nD HlihYs97pvVkfHP/vZoeAKo2oSQc+r7S9zcMjDk4QrwbZHnZR4ZhAQoNPH4WzqZyCwLo XY7MletGwwJKxJoBBODJayYdsE7gejaZ1Vzog= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=vA04EbNc9q/B5MASgFjWjrjSRQrrw1gilyAxNoGV13I=; b=IcpQXzwQCdEyaofqiFE54hOEvVbsPpmjRELU4ycezZnX6iR4kSYHKmlcWGioP011tv yBr5M5nDI1wyUTS+W51gSXnOzHoSlOtYxSKlxdUB6lGMn03t/YPFgrgayoHPGUc01Tm/ eeltr+dttrvjxugWJCOasfa4Bs9mWdHjcutNkpTtobLBdAf7j4LUtCQGkOC4FzKUKwMN OPNt1/KX3rm0SY8J/j984tKgrLzY/14edJeFg3vopC/rTfzA2KwAejkvjYeFCI91nCZh 7gE4vRaDV4k2y47hXiKo1SZ6av5MNdKjs5EEMM4zcvJrI2Rdg1IQOaQB0a6W8hYNpdry LRgg== n4mr2412227yhp.27.1371240029978; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DavePC (DRMONS0540W-156034170254.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net. [156.34.170.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l39sm5365468yhn.26.2013.06.14.13.00.28 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:00:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Munroe" To: "jay laifman" References: <479130400.206883.1371139261792.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 17:00:26 -0300 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ox sensor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay: That sounds like a narrow-band A/F Meter. These were the first on the market as useful mass-produced mixture reading tools, but they were only accurate in a very narrow band either side of the 14.6 air/fuel ratio. They are not very useful beyond indicating this ratio under different throttle/load parameters, and 14.6 is not the correct mixture very often. Under load and big throttle openings you want rich to very rich mixtures (around 12/1) for max power and at light throttle openings you want ratios in the lean end (around 17 or 18/1) for good fuel economy. With your meter you can never be sure exactly what your air/fuel mixture ratio is, other than 14.6 which is chemically the perfect ratio for clean burning, but not for all throttle openings and load situations. BUT, getting your mixture to 14.6 at 650 rpm should give you a klller idle, and that's a good thing. I supercharged an MGB about 10 years ago and wide band meters and sensors were in the stratosphere price wise, so I bought one of these narrow band meters. It was marginally useful, but kept me from melting pistons which I did regularly before I got the meter. Wide band meters are infinitely more useful and accurate over the whole throttle/load range, and are now less expensive than what I (and likely your Dad) paid for our narrow band meters back in the day. Theyalso have USB ports to feed your computer, which opens up a whole new world of mixture control to we anals, which allows seriously accurate carb and ignition tuning, and you can print out the results to impress fellow obsessive compulsives.... Dave Sent: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:31:41 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Holley Rebuild - float bowls The ox sensor. I haven't paid too much attention to that other than to note it is frequently in the red. It has a row of lights going from green to yellow to red. Can someone tell me under what driving conditions should it be in the color bands? Like idle, cruising, slowly accelerating and on it? And is it likely to be accurate or could it be wrong because of a gazillion things? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 14 20:06:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5762242B44 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f178.google.com (mail-ve0-f178.google.com [209.85.128.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E92424D8 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:04:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f178.google.com with SMTP id pb11so953654veb.23 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 19:03:03 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VDgJNrpLipbEqKvgpk+2QMqXFcT7XoGRKNTMafXvz+s=; b=JuLRN213sY0d1XEMr4hKkGzKoz3Kclm3gO/QjBzK7q/1iSC6i6JDVJeg2kumLMxMud iWo7hQFsa3Xeq8FpN+js5g5ddXCPrgUftk2mQEKX5mFQke5pzmpdn9n4LLUWb+V9VFh5 TJi4wsPd1/HSI4FKcFIBgobJnW2UJWEWRH/YU1JSXDs3p/A9M0SSkcQ88yDbOwFfv4pG yYVBASno5Dk9S5bt20IcwHg0sMNAdCA3/bMQAQzZfM+z2yKuxCrw+PXAwjZ/Wy7k/q+x I3E4HguLyC/IOFTixQjvxgik2thm07rvoU6JRsVnYmVP6RkV1Jof7yzrWXSG3K5XYuQt ZTFQ== vb9mr950947vec.2.1371230165443; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:16:05 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: [Tigers] Float Bowl Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net FWIW, if anyone still cares, I adjusted the needle valves for the floats last night. I previously indicated one was way out of wack. While it was off, I was surprised how few turns of the adjuster moved it back into place. So, it might not have been as far off as I first thought. I'll be careful to note how many turns it takes for it to go from this basic setting to the correct setting when the car is running and the plug is out. By the way, someone emailed me directly to tell me that he solved his leaking problems by replacing the little washers on the float bowl bolts with nylon washers from Moroso. I bought those washers too - because it was a great idea. But last night I discovered the Holley rebuild kit I got from Holley already comes with them. So, I have an extra set if anyone needs them! Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 11:31:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C2140448 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:31:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC8240421 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:31:35 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=deiland1@elp.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=r9heODcrBDkA:10 a=QlLhnuVvsM6fMQDtLjgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=0u9msHbEx0Pg74qF1N/FpQ==:117 Received: from [10.128.132.155] ([10.128.132.155:59324] helo=hrndva-web04-z02) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 6E/BD-16377-E26FDB15; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:30:23 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:30:22 -0500 From: To: Jensen List , Tiger List Sensitivity: Normal Subject: [Tigers] Happy Fathers Day Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just thought I would wish all those fathers who are on these lists, and share my passion for our cars, a Happy Fathers Day. Dan Eiland _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 11:46:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C66940440 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:46:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D1840321 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:46:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id p5k61l0060QkzPwAF5lE3R; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:45:14 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id p5lD1l00V2yr1eL8N5lDaX; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:45:13 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:45:13 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: deiland1@elp.rr.com s=q20121106; t=1371404714; bh=DHEcEPm8L0BRlqm/BxBn+g5jvRYVpyUt7OF09BYzAyo=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=OfWG8DEslvYOORj7UHMtq0J7zG1ILkFCHHJ0usffAiSS/py8l9uNhvLJuIFMSREBD Mjl38qC+zqU3bqCg08wm6UD7fscpFSdoRVGCJVzrxL0REOs3qRgsn4YOgmigw0+LwQ mW1Of4oE3dMI8dC1HXCzlaGtB0MVefufQjx7V6XzIaBWPgJJSE5MoKVNfms93Krx1m gLMDQTmReadxBr5hR39ylNJr0nrz58dpEOvCY3ETjHIHA+86eyOqGdChS3m8+fQTcr CYajUJWArFC0lFgRsz+Lv4ijdDuF7PDHBb7OZXYUFYuE93dF3goSUOe0g9HKiKCVL2 s0ZPuqI0IRYpQ== Cc: Jensen List , Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Happy Fathers Day Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Dan, +1 Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: deiland1@elp.rr.com To: "Jensen List" , "Tiger List" Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:30:22 PM Subject: [Tigers] Happy Fathers Day Just thought I would wish all those fathers who are on these lists, and share my passion for our cars, a Happy Fathers Day. Dan Eiland _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 12:21:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDE340441 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:21:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f46.google.com (mail-pa0-f46.google.com [209.85.220.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F204D40398 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id fa11so2134330pad.5 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:19:44 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=IN94G4KSeNPC9IZhAD8y+sQpOqzgc6VMVT5NY6jY2o0=; b=RoIYAceAcMRoDKzKbQ/ryUMzx8tXPzNMMIeSWYm2o+WmOfuD6rmNOFGld3TcRbYob3 UAVm2vTBwbkfxJ7bio3sMAQ5xtA24IZzVpmqeETEZdGiHA7lXX6FvwhM2W71UkiqIzp0 FVNW21vtOSw8zSR8ceCLRRM7AkDXLQP8/0NTuqXLa+dfsmISiylOGQ7yf4bbB2Hl19Lo vB1lLgt1p2y8BpL8MtlYEJWDupVPD/q2R0U51K/k826TDRe68+3Aip0banSCfM+f4ze/ 6o48nB96JtPWtVVFrOI8tll98qb0jicFvCKrvdfx4mxmhlSHjZhL6WCZU8o9Db9gGOXu dTLw== b11mr10152276pbb.118.1371406784098; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z5sm10766410pbk.0.2013.06.16.11.19.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:19:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:19:40 -0700 To: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: [Tigers] Carb install - at least it's not leaking Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Got it all back together and went for a drive. Like I said, the good news is that it is not leaking gas anymore. The bad news is that it doesn't want to run below 2,000 rpm. As it warmed up, it seemed like the rpm range needed to be even higher. I basically had to keep the rpm above 2,000 or 2,500 at all times or it stalled. Any thoughts on what I've done wrong? One thing I don't fully understand, and perhaps it is part of the problem, the rectangular flap that is part of the choke, it seems to be open all the time. I would have thought that when the car was cold, it would be closer to closed. Maybe I flipped something when I put that back together. But, even with wide open, once the engine was warm, I would have thought it would run fine. Over 2,500, it was nice, smooth and powerful. Thanks for any thoughts. And Happy Father's Day to all the fathers out there. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 12:29:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5251840534 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:29:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com (mail-lb0-f181.google.com [209.85.217.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D395F40075 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:29:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id w10so1845317lbi.26 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:27:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=ck9d66VprmSbdvO2C7h7jFaVfejV2OMlZJqTxIL8BWk=; b=KC63HfL/N56X9hj7LA37yRC/1tN+yfti/HMqEnS7o3Kh6OyUBoG2oT31WFao+iHsjN m9P7V/j20jyWoYp4caU/vESjDzYcMX8afoQNuJS7f3c7Jsg9qX3jZj5i7qB6XhRRoyV/ OOyifoYphxNbXPLA6F0Sv9TcJHzTNkDwt8rfNb+55OCIO+kPdNYS0frgvb+cSDNTl6Mm 19hcNB31gaVh73u4L9o5yXbZzlBHMdiOPFO+ItbELooyZmP4W3dK8IvCkoeAbUf4Vz6o 9ese51+L/NJDCuN/xAauVVMS2kvkgvq14IzgUWsTaTenFJyd+LvIkFqJ34FwxVRL47Ow L0HA== wa5mr4867537lbb.63.1371407273570; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.67.133 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:27:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <620ABCF1-950E-4248-B4EC-A38405BBA059@gmail.com> From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:27:23 -0400 To: Jay Laifman Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb install - at least it's not leaking Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Is that an electric choke? Have you confirmed that power is going to it? Michael On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > Got it all back together and went for a drive. > > Like I said, the good news is that it is not leaking gas anymore. > > The bad news is that it doesn't want to run below 2,000 rpm. As it warmed > up, > it seemed like the rpm range needed to be even higher. I basically had to > keep the rpm above 2,000 or 2,500 at all times or it stalled. > > Any thoughts on what I've done wrong? > > One thing I don't fully understand, and perhaps it is part of the problem, > the > rectangular flap that is part of the choke, it seems to be open all the > time. > I would have thought that when the car was cold, it would be closer to > closed. > Maybe I flipped something when I put that back together. But, even with > wide > open, once the engine was warm, I would have thought it would run fine. > > Over 2,500, it was nice, smooth and powerful. > > Thanks for any thoughts. > > And Happy Father's Day to all the fathers out there. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com > > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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[74.82.80.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ri10sm13252766igc.1.2013.06.16.11.43.22 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:43:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <620ABCF1-950E-4248-B4EC-A38405BBA059@gmail.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: michael@michaelshortt.com From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:43:19 +0000 Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb install - at least it's not leaking Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Vacuum choke. Good idea though. Thanks. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:27:23 To: Jay Laifman Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb install - at least it's not leaking Is that an electric choke? Have you confirmed that power is going to it? Michael On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > Got it all back together and went for a drive. > > Like I said, the good news is that it is not leaking gas anymore. > > The bad news is that it doesn't want to run below 2,000 rpm. As it warmed > up, > it seemed like the rpm range needed to be even higher. I basically had to > keep the rpm above 2,000 or 2,500 at all times or it stalled. > > Any thoughts on what I've done wrong? > > One thing I don't fully understand, and perhaps it is part of the problem, > the > rectangular flap that is part of the choke, it seems to be open all the > time. > I would have thought that when the car was cold, it would be closer to > closed. > Maybe I flipped something when I put that back together. But, even with > wide > open, once the engine was warm, I would have thought it would run fine. > > Over 2,500, it was nice, smooth and powerful. > > Thanks for any thoughts. > > And Happy Father's Day to all the fathers out there. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com > > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Thank you _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 13:00:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312FB403EE for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:00:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm14.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm14.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3488403EE for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:00:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.193] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2013 18:59:12 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.173] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2013 18:59:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2013 18:59:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371409152; bh=ssq/ANXHK9QgOAmU7Haxa07srfVKm51qEOjufCDVKSc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:CC:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding; b=4j9HoA/s0CC5LDD31xE1Mq7dR3DPAy3iFvsFYrhXJsjE33qXf6W3oTPdij4MiW7+93EYsLECe+kmUNqkQYdgdHmfuCtpMLnWHc4RV7Cwr3B4vJP7JSCA9slSVt9kH3L+gOPyaeboRkKR57lLa7CXRvI2QDiY24nr385hd9fqu4I= CJLKgBgA9.U64Jf1Sgr6P3L9_Nv7HwJDsD5pPcOCdKmIOBEd7VpZLZ_dxpDx r_pRd2YfWXQ4J3oH62.JVfY3Z7SXJd70.oSXRmp.3RWPQf8ggVM9_.B59uHm K31llgGzEYRUrgDsVXfzRl4rmgW86xR1X5rfiprkBkQwAqiQXchaeKUeJIJk k7dYWs6I4q4UJI9AiMWk1m_T69kjqkUojrSu8lA8MK_FgBk9aUsYPOAryGe7 _UhhzAcaSHe_Nw2T1EwVgayLS2S.tcTHtDGiCPOWZrYU_5.wrs0HYJQlFHcA gRoyzOXp2NdL82SwE6B0MzVwsEyXiVkB54fmuonIpVx5KKf.gKlasOXIx_ac 6yXM72toVHwoIpnKe_7Lp57DuR5T50jwVEvZfaPAZ4RNk2.vaIqguJOL_mSO 20QPQMuCDfsXc8VEdUVToEQGjcSmb.y3HVQutVA1.76KotAT5kLrJ4YiGkeb QhSmgIQqaVgS7_0lyHsLdPArKukobZkPupqIdkbvH04LWkimCzauvk4wZ3a7 .jU_qeyX_Qxo9WUxIJwquvEWnRYJYYwkGHGWBtBXeJwgqQQXjVYUIHaIw25R ipJft4QSzTb7Ndg-- by smtp107.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2013 11:59:12 -0700 PDT User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.4.130416 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:59:08 -0400 From: Don Antilla To: , Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Carb install - at least it's not leaking Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb install - at least it's not leaking Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'd do a vacuum check with a gauge plumbed into the intake manifold. You should measure around 19 inches negative pressure if your intake and carb gaskets are all sealed properly. It sounds like your idle circuit is not functioning. Did you set your two idle adjustments screws? If not, turn both idle slotted screws in (clockwise) gently until they bottom out (do not force them). Then turn each out (counterclockwise) for 1.5 turns for the initial setting. If the idle settles down, good. If not, and if your vacuum reading was around 19 inches, then adjust your 2000 RPM down until it almost stalls, then turn your idle screws OUT (counterclockwise) and see if the engine sound better. NEXT- if the above checks do not get you on the right track, the idle circuits are sensitive to wet fuel setting in the float bowl. For the idle condition, it all runs off the front Primary float bowl. You need to have your wet fuel level at the right point so the vacuum effect on your booster venturis suck a bit of fuel down into the intake manifold. Be sure that your gaskets on your booster venturis is intact, and that the screw holding it into the carb body is snug. You do have a Ford carb- not a Holley, right? I'm assuming you have a 4 barrel, but the same principles apply to the original 2 barrel Ford carburetor. LAST for now; please check your accelerator circuit. With the engine OFF, grab the carb throttle lever and twist it. You should see fuel squirting through the accelerator pump jets into the carb venturis. If not, you may hav ea defective accel pump diaphragm or perhaps you misplaced the little check ball under the booster venturi assembly, or the accel pump plumbing is clogged. These last checks don't correlate well to the problem you reported, but it is a good idea to check this anyway. If you want to talk with me send me a note and give me your phone number. Regards, Don Antilla On 6/16/13 2:43 PM, "jay.laifman@gmail.com" wrote: >Vacuum choke. Good idea though. Thanks. >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > >-----Original Message----- >From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" >Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:27:23 >To: Jay Laifman >Reply-To: michael@michaelshortt.com >Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Den >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb install - at least it's not leaking > >Is that an electric choke? Have you confirmed that power is going to it? > >Michael > > >On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Jay Laifman >wrote: > >> Got it all back together and went for a drive. >> >> Like I said, the good news is that it is not leaking gas anymore. >> >> The bad news is that it doesn't want to run below 2,000 rpm. As it >>warmed >> up, >> it seemed like the rpm range needed to be even higher. I basically had >>to >> keep the rpm above 2,000 or 2,500 at all times or it stalled. >> >> Any thoughts on what I've done wrong? >> >> One thing I don't fully understand, and perhaps it is part of the >>problem, >> the >> rectangular flap that is part of the choke, it seems to be open all the >> time. >> I would have thought that when the car was cold, it would be closer to >> closed. >> Maybe I flipped something when I put that back together. But, even with >> wide >> open, once the engine was warm, I would have thought it would run fine. >> >> Over 2,500, it was nice, smooth and powerful. >> >> Thanks for any thoughts. >> >> And Happy Father's Day to all the fathers out there. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com >> >> >> > > >-- > > > > > > > >Michael L. Shortt >Savannah, Georgia >www.michaelshortt.com >michael@michaelshortt.com >912-232-9390 > > >This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >notified >that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >communication is strictly prohibited. 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Thank you >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fast427@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 13:09:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4B14042C for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:09:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61475403EE for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5GJ3CMx018719; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:07:50 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0213.5192ebd3.3f4202; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:07:48 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.146.81]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:07:40 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:07:36 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5qwWoA2FCn3VC6Rpq2tgLP95E2dQAAWwkg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-16_07:2013-06-14,2013-06-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306160207 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb install - at least it's not leaking Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay My Holley Haynes Techbook does not list this problem. Something in the idle circuit is not right. Check to see if the secondary throttle plates are closed Vacuum choke? - Are you sure its usually vacuum secondaries Choke is normally electric or heat stove pipe style with bi-metal spring check to make sure there are no vacuum leaks Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jay.laifman@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 2:43 PM To: michael@michaelshortt.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb install - at least it's not leaking Vacuum choke. Good idea though. Thanks. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:27:23 To: Jay Laifman Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb install - at least it's not leaking Is that an electric choke? Have you confirmed that power is going to it? Michael On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > Got it all back together and went for a drive. > > Like I said, the good news is that it is not leaking gas anymore. > > The bad news is that it doesn't want to run below 2,000 rpm. As it > warmed up, it seemed like the rpm range needed to be even higher. I > basically had to keep the rpm above 2,000 or 2,500 at all times or it > stalled. > > Any thoughts on what I've done wrong? > > One thing I don't fully understand, and perhaps it is part of the > problem, the rectangular flap that is part of the choke, it seems to > be open all the time. > I would have thought that when the car was cold, it would be closer to > closed. > Maybe I flipped something when I put that back together. But, even with > wide > open, once the engine was warm, I would have thought it would run fine. > > Over 2,500, it was nice, smooth and powerful. > > Thanks for any thoughts. > > And Happy Father's Day to all the fathers out there. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com > > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Thank you _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 13:23:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80C040448 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f51.google.com (mail-pa0-f51.google.com [209.85.220.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2C1403EE for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:21:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id lf11so2167691pab.38 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:19:56 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:x-priority:in-reply-to:date :cc:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=7LUrqre91ZMP6WigbsdKNY7tgcTejXVQuobyO+EBM8o=; b=AhHungDOUnS+hXEBljNg4poOtBzlL4inDRXd4G+Fsgc4eSZ/qeKEKBo+bdQVpJuPQR 2H/xDlTG5u0MzBcD0IOhT1+igEk25lEmp+2AJ5+cvL+pgGAfg1jUF8kkL4iROQ89LDzV OyNsTz537WJwhuAfs3cEtECu2cvK6CJrVXBBE3AEZGdFIoEliTj3B3R0zPwaNmfD+hmj Plufi6VRK5yVBslar0QwQ/6rAPX5PoUCesmSeNUYQXxX6OdQV5Y8rxrdMwQkAkKhTSiz SCcWB0e+BTwEt8WBYQG7SRcaZOUX8JnTjBjcMisMqefXlu/KyiQuqzGWmRBfISGV+pH9 +dnQ== ir1mr10045654pbc.197.1371410396162; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cq1sm10874924pbc.13.2013.06.16.12.19.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:19:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:19:47 -0700 References: <2876558A65A8478C836B1793648CB234@ronpc1> To: Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb install - at least it's not leaking Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Here is a picture of the way it looks right now. Shouldn't that throat plate be in the closed position? Or is it supposed to be open? I wonder if I have the choke attached incorrectly and it is keeping it open. Jay [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of Holley Throat Plate.jpg] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 13:45:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2901340435 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:45:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E033940452 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:44:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5GJi2mN007607; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:44:14 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0219.5192ebc4.3c7014; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:43:17 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.146.81]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:43:09 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jay Laifman'" Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:43:05 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5qxnwxsXoMBl24SNmaosle5etg9AAAjPEg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-16_07:2013-06-14,2013-06-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306160219 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb install - at least it's not leaking Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay The black cover is the automatic choke with a heat pipe - the covered tube. You should be able to feel some spring tension by pushing on the choke plate. It is possible the choke and the bi-metal spring inside that cover are not engage properly. There should also be a mark on the choke cover that usually lines up with one of the casting marks. Loosen the 3 screws on the choke cover to see and feel if the choke plate will move with the cover as it turns. Secondary throttle plate should be closed, primary throttle plate should be very near closed - this is the idle set Ron -----Original Message----- From: Jay Laifman [mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:20 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: michael@michaelshortt.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb install - at least it's not leaking Here is a picture of the way it looks right now. Shouldn't that throat plate be in the closed position? Or is it supposed to be open? I wonder if I have the choke attached incorrectly and it is keeping it open. Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 14:41:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66EF340382 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:41:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9164032B for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2013 20:40:21 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.113] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2013 20:40:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp222.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2013 20:40:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371415221; bh=IhK4nf8wvCZ+U3FYofdS0uxcBcN3VBJeFxTw8NZZeQk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zVjV4eHW5nZAleUoMaOIfgHD/0YOxe5HbkC1WlRtAmxhTSQrSyA+Ule8ypIFEpaJl08G9UvNmv11FktH1hcIIxpMm50gTvfBBl+Z5A2zVa/2qpkjSV823klt+459fxziVliTYgjTd1mNahp2GuTmrxE0BTo2m/o8/bWbfK/H0jU= BwKZ8wdrsDF9ccPkKOzSppuWvLhKGaLJ6XCq50tFtCTOk3TmZURI1LmKaQbU ZCGcUB2sDigjV897v6FXr7fPh4_F1Ym.eJ3PNKYFzL1USzuPV0BLbjn_WJYr KWTxRz6u2YlCcTke8w9n9kRJDnP9k6L0Vqu_2ZPai1GrgrnwsWWnKHOg6xw4 r_vFPW3Mp_wRMEn97i4CM8XNuY3uDl2whMewc8TWgwAn8j_WvO8kYKwNO9pl VC.4uNU1gBi1LG27peHFPfvqwSnVKzDjryOl_fsPD4.ZmhzOBkz_X5CP.6FT KOAyAlCWt5gHR1Zktewzr7sYXxTEZmR4SBddERyM60S0THeUWTcFCH0Crxea 5Nq5tQ0qrQ__MOGM8yWsXThHoG9.8J2g23d75T_LRGoVGPdWe8xeer0CWrhs KaiztzQwjQ9IBRF._9Tl1EFXMgIoLu21i5.Y9eNgJqxhnpZvCoPcs5Pnfa4f 9pBGoCK8JMWC8yOfWyevsqzRsA8KTmN3jhdmO.DHFVqsO1cc- smtp222.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2013 20:40:21 +0000 UTC Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:40:34 -0500 From: TtT To: deiland1@elp.rr.com, Jensen List , Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Happy Fathers Day Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net MANY Thanks Dan and the same back at you as well as to the entire list--Tiger and Alpine!!!! Sent from Huawei Mobile deiland1@elp.rr.com wrote: >Just thought I would wish all those fathers who are on these lists, and share my passion for our cars, a Happy Fathers Day. > >Dan Eiland >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 17:19:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27404042B for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:19:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127424032C for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:19:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from JeffE6410ATG ([74.103.169.51]) by p3plsmtpa08-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id pBJ41l00616sh7N01BJ4M8; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 16:18:05 -0700 From: "Jeff Feit" To: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:18:20 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5q5qLtp0+Rexz7SoCrx+tRcl32mg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well, the stop-leak project is coming along nicely, getting everything cleaned up and ready to go back in. Any idea how to get one of the Fairmont pulleys or Maverick fans? I'm assuming that these aren't available new so it's junkyard stuff-but the application information is a bit fuzzy to do a good search. How about the grommet that goes on the firewall to cover the RHD steering column hole? I have the shifter taken apart and am cleaning up all the parts. Has anyone ever had the parts plated (zinc, cad, etc.)? I could easily blast and paint them, but there are a LOT of parts that have metal-to-metal sliding contact (with grease) so I would have to mask off quite a bit to keep everything working right. FYI, got the engine mounts, made by Anchor through Summit. One box says Made is USA, one says Made in India. They look good. Also got the thermostat housing from Scott Drake. Comparing it to the one that I broke many years ago due to a misaligned thermostat, it looks VERY good. Jeff Feit B9471573 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 17:33:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECAA40395 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:33:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BF44032C for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:33:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MOI00687EQ4LKG0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:32:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <003101ce6ae7$cb3ac8a0$61b059e0$@feitmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 16:32:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jeff, It took me about 10 years to find the Maverick fan in self serve wrecking yards..., and I go about once a month. In self serve yards the cars start to show up about years 10-12 and are almost completely gone by years 20-25. The desired Maverick fan was from the early cars and is about 40 years old. Pretty much the same thing for the Volvo fan. People have had success with the Derale fan. If you are running the stock Tiger waterpump the center hole on the fan needs to be enlarged to 1". If you run a Volvo fan an approximate 1/8" bushing is needed for it's 1-1/8" hole. Even the late 70's early 80's Fairmont's are getting very hard to find. I recall a number of years ago Jere Teepen had a number of pulleys for sale. Maybe he will chime in or someone can put you in contact with him. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 17:35:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B01A40382 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:35:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6DD94032C for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:34:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5GNX8g0010062; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 16:33:44 -0700 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0224.5192ebb6.413d60; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 16:33:27 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.150.85]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 23:33:19 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jeff Feit'" , Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:33:12 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5q5qLtp0+Rexz7SoCrx+tRcl32mgAAbrow engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-16_08:2013-06-14,2013-06-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306160273 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jeff Fairmont pulley - junkyard or swap meet if you can find them there There is a guy making them out of aluminum, $120 each - Bob Woolridge - 614-452-1191 - rwoolridge@insight.rr.com Maverick fan - junkyard or swap meet maybe Many are using a Derale fan Grommet - Sunbeam Specialties or Classic Sunbeam Shifter - I'm sure some have plated them - I painted mine, I was not worried about masking off anything - I would guess the original parts were not masked, just don't paint heavy in those areas, the parts will wear the paint as needed. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Feit Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 7:18 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... Well, the stop-leak project is coming along nicely, getting everything cleaned up and ready to go back in. Any idea how to get one of the Fairmont pulleys or Maverick fans? I'm assuming that these aren't available new so it's junkyard stuff-but the application information is a bit fuzzy to do a good search. How about the grommet that goes on the firewall to cover the RHD steering column hole? I have the shifter taken apart and am cleaning up all the parts. Has anyone ever had the parts plated (zinc, cad, etc.)? I could easily blast and paint them, but there are a LOT of parts that have metal-to-metal sliding contact (with grease) so I would have to mask off quite a bit to keep everything working right. FYI, got the engine mounts, made by Anchor through Summit. One box says Made is USA, one says Made in India. They look good. Also got the thermostat housing from Scott Drake. Comparing it to the one that I broke many years ago due to a misaligned thermostat, it looks VERY good. Jeff Feit B9471573 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6410 - Release Date: 06/14/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 17:41:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF99403DF for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:41:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71814032C for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5GNeAFq014151; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 16:40:31 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id sj1-dm103.5192ebfe.41d121; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 16:40:29 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.150.85]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 23:40:20 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Thomas Witt'" , Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:40:17 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5q6cxtA7rqON00Tym9m5SgkY8oUwAAHMPw engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-16_08:2013-06-14,2013-06-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306160275 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tom You have to be careful when you say enlarge the center hole on the fan. You can do this on most stock Ford fans but on many after market fans the mount holes are slotted; you don't want to open the center hole into the slotted holes. You have to turn the fan hub around and possibly mill it to get the correct distance and fan location. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 7:32 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... Jeff, It took me about 10 years to find the Maverick fan in self serve wrecking yards..., and I go about once a month. In self serve yards the cars start to show up about years 10-12 and are almost completely gone by years 20-25. The desired Maverick fan was from the early cars and is about 40 years old. Pretty much the same thing for the Volvo fan. People have had success with the Derale fan. If you are running the stock Tiger waterpump the center hole on the fan needs to be enlarged to 1". If you run a Volvo fan an approximate 1/8" bushing is needed for it's 1-1/8" hole. Even the late 70's early 80's Fairmont's are getting very hard to find. I recall a number of years ago Jere Teepen had a number of pulleys for sale. Maybe he will chime in or someone can put you in contact with him. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 18:59:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631AC403F4 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:59:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4729740043 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:59:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EC5957000009B; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlb002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.144]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9D45CE000087; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:57:55 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:57:55 -0400 (EDT) To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, jeff@feitmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371430675; bh=JX0bTqZRYzjvF8BNm/I1b30sa2+MJOEfzAYOJg0KwPw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CyHY49r+zhrRfTEkBgbQw6XybR/0oZ8CdyWMOxLEl+sKJSlfbl25tgi2sv5NK+zvl TEvBBKnHY+XHJW/0PnoURp+n+oK0fYIafpATGd2cFMQH+1W0DOUi+4KR6+twsi2Fj9 15dgU6yMhNzQVYVOo9D465A10dmUTYUW4azoZ2IQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca51be5f1365f3 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I found the pulley through a google search of "Used Ford Parts". Came from a scrap yard in Texas. The owner told me they were getting scarce because they were never considered important and were being junked over the years. Mark L In a message dated 6/16/2013 7:33:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rfraser@bluefrog.com writes: Jeff Fairmont pulley - junkyard or swap meet if you can find them there There is a guy making them out of aluminum, $120 each - Bob Woolridge - 614-452-1191 - rwoolridge@insight.rr.com Maverick fan - junkyard or swap meet maybe Many are using a Derale fan Grommet - Sunbeam Specialties or Classic Sunbeam Shifter - I'm sure some have plated them - I painted mine, I was not worried about masking off anything - I would guess the original parts were not masked, just don't paint heavy in those areas, the parts will wear the paint as needed. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Feit Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 7:18 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... Well, the stop-leak project is coming along nicely, getting everything cleaned up and ready to go back in. Any idea how to get one of the Fairmont pulleys or Maverick fans? I'm assuming that these aren't available new so it's junkyard stuff-but the application information is a bit fuzzy to do a good search. How about the grommet that goes on the firewall to cover the RHD steering column hole? I have the shifter taken apart and am cleaning up all the parts. Has anyone ever had the parts plated (zinc, cad, etc.)? I could easily blast and paint them, but there are a LOT of parts that have metal-to-metal sliding contact (with grease) so I would have to mask off quite a bit to keep everything working right. FYI, got the engine mounts, made by Anchor through Summit. One box says Made is USA, one says Made in India. They look good. Also got the thermostat housing from Scott Drake. Comparing it to the one that I broke many years ago due to a misaligned thermostat, it looks VERY good. Jeff Feit B9471573 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6410 - Release Date: 06/14/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 19:21:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A5B403CF for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:21:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2744032B for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:20:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id hf12so1599618vcb.1 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:19:45 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=yBcsdR9yyIoG5WlDixUkFhTimOnGFSzMEWRkmqCQeHE=; b=UACSEZHbHpPc0INC1GjcZ5+6UPTcCQk7SZd+eBaqpEfG4FGU4zI4SyxUxpncO2ygj0 xJD5m/Tm0KLXeedR0jNfM0esEh1He6KSO/duq4ZsHUl4O4zXVr5TAclH082D3ssneJkN 6gzvmsOC6l0tiKzk1So3w17Y987hQEoH7UBs2k5N17U86CkT/X/T6VLMVI4SOVMU3X6O m5wkGCO6fF2pHTne/hI61+6+m1VckmPbwx6tRmqigtHg3qkumwVVMKso2ahEvTY2JRNv obEQUzfpAO9eGEYYStQXLSBbZnqVWUtJ0dLmAJvICnCACRhwZnqUl6QU33uTQ3FfaxkZ pFQA== Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.65.19 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.65.19 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:19:45 -0700 (PDT) References: <9FF91BF723C94995A88AB30203F891F5@optiplex3301> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:19:45 -0400 From: Chip Broadbooks Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I just dropped a 14" Flex-A-Light off last week at a machine shop to get the 1" pilot hole. They told me they would hone it out to 1". I, personally, thought I could do it myself with a drill. I wasn't too far off on my effort. About 1/8". I remember all of the forces of a rotating mass from my engineering classes and tossed that fan, bought another, and am paying the money. All I need is to destroy the bearings in the water pump and potentially crack my timing cover. I know the mass wasn't that great, but I am not taking the chance. I ordered the fan from Amazon. It was much cheaper than Summit. I will get the fan back tomorrow from the machine shop. I bought a pulley from Bob Woolridge. Everything is on my car except the fan. Still running the stock one until the other one is ready. She still seems to be a not so cool Cat. I have no idea where my kid put my infrared thermometer. I know the gauge is off by 10 to 20 degrees. It stays reading at 200 while cruising. Kinda scared to let her idle for too long. She might cough up a hairball on the garage floor. Chip Tom You have to be careful when you say enlarge the center hole on the fan. You can do this on most stock Ford fans but on many after market fans the mount holes are slotted; you don't want to open the center hole into the slotted holes. You have to turn the fan hub around and possibly mill it to get the correct distance and fan location. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 7:32 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... Jeff, It took me about 10 years to find the Maverick fan in self serve wrecking yards..., and I go about once a month. In self serve yards the cars start to show up about years 10-12 and are almost completely gone by years 20-25. The desired Maverick fan was from the early cars and is about 40 years old. Pretty much the same thing for the Volvo fan. People have had success with the Derale fan. If you are running the stock Tiger waterpump the center hole on the fan needs to be enlarged to 1". If you run a Volvo fan an approximate 1/8" bushing is needed for it's 1-1/8" hole. Even the late 70's early 80's Fairmont's are getting very hard to find. I recall a number of years ago Jere Teepen had a number of pulleys for sale. Maybe he will chime in or someone can put you in contact with him. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/chip.broadbooks@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 22:05:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937A240334 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 22:05:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798FE4032C for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 22:05:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004960.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5H441pD009997; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:04:51 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b13e) id dm0219.5192ebc4.3cfaf3; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:03:45 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Chip Broadbooks'" , <"undisclosed-recipients:>"@NONE.team.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 00:03:33 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5q+Mpf98qGSmxGQ3Gz3UNF+iCxvQAFe0QA engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-17_02:2013-06-14,2013-06-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306160351 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Chip Never believe the temp gage until you check it with your infrared thermometer or by other means. My temp gage reads a little low and I know others that read a bit high. Once you know what the temp is you can have some peace of mind. You either live with the gage or you look at calibrating the temp gage. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chip Broadbooks Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:20 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... I just dropped a 14" Flex-A-Light off last week at a machine shop to get the 1" pilot hole. They told me they would hone it out to 1". I, personally, thought I could do it myself with a drill. I wasn't too far off on my effort. About 1/8". I remember all of the forces of a rotating mass from my engineering classes and tossed that fan, bought another, and am paying the money. All I need is to destroy the bearings in the water pump and potentially crack my timing cover. I know the mass wasn't that great, but I am not taking the chance. I ordered the fan from Amazon. It was much cheaper than Summit. I will get the fan back tomorrow from the machine shop. I bought a pulley from Bob Woolridge. Everything is on my car except the fan. Still running the stock one until the other one is ready. She still seems to be a not so cool Cat. I have no idea where my kid put my infrared thermometer. I know the gauge is off by 10 to 20 degrees. It stays reading at 200 while cruising. Kinda scared to let her idle for too long. She might cough up a hairball on the garage floor. Chip _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 07:53:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7424044D for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5782403C7 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:52:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pQV11l0011zF43QA5RrZEB; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:51:33 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pRrZ1l0082xZMJ48kRrZHo; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:51:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:51:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: tigers@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1371477093; bh=T+PiTYXDpeXRIpzSFehm8bg+7dqujDzexed5tfQy+dc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=JaRJKtcOqoBfl6EtYY69/X4V9ayP9pL/PSvWWEdaMmQI+Mnt8hXuInBT4NC10WYvY /bTb0gI2OxRNGsuu9qjqat8FyYUHkWHFgvaRxfoRE89Nt4UQwJQt60+Awhi767FmX0 RnNhQ9pPNC9JRhUsQsFMVRRjq5Iau3eV5CYhufq9Lsd6kvXhrP1ZYFwWmZXzyPdoHD 3FiwsXl+Nl53cc8QuwE0Sd7r3Uzq/ED53GRru8lPLA7H8Jk/XZ142QbJCd9852IxHb msAxkrjLY4o+J9TqD+oMadTH8+iQtNQDH4v2Q7tlMt/RviDxatJOA8qSloYmL7knt2 FyyyebevtJViQ== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb install - at least it's not leaking Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, The choke is only used when the motor is cold. Once the motor is warm, the choke plate SHOULD be open all the way. In California, you don't even need the choke, I haven't had my choke plates closed in 40 years! To find your problem, I would set it fully open. I would guess that a small bit of that old gasket has plugged a passage somewhere (air or fuel passage). Look to see that the secondary throttle plates are closed, then just work on the front section, that is where the problem is. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Fraser To: 'Jay Laifman' Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:43:05 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb install - at least it's not leaking Jay The black cover is the automatic choke with a heat pipe - the covered tube. You should be able to feel some spring tension by pushing on the choke plate. It is possible the choke and the bi-metal spring inside that cover are not engage properly. There should also be a mark on the choke cover that usually lines up with one of the casting marks. Loosen the 3 screws on the choke cover to see and feel if the choke plate will move with the cover as it turns. Secondary throttle plate should be closed, primary throttle plate should be very near closed - this is the idle set Ron -----Original Message----- From: Jay Laifman [mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:20 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: michael@michaelshortt.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb install - at least it's not leaking Here is a picture of the way it looks right now. Shouldn't that throat plate be in the closed position? Or is it supposed to be open? I wonder if I have the choke attached incorrectly and it is keeping it open. Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 08:47:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892BC40442 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:47:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C9D40398 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:47:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail50-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.242) by CO1EHSOBE039.bigfish.com (10.243.66.104) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:46:15 +0000 Received: from mail50-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail50-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37B05000A9 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:46:15 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail50-co1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail50-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail50-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1371480372698571_11965; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS014.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.247]) by mail50-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7E88C0119 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CO1EHSMHS014.bigfish.com (10.243.66.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:46:12 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.179) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:46:29 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.179]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:46:10 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... Thread-Index: Ac5q5qLtp0+Rexz7SoCrx+tRcl32mgAAymFMAAq924AAA3lNgAARTeqg Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:46:09 +0000 References: <9FF91BF723C94995A88AB30203F891F5@optiplex3301> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Chip and all, The bigger hazard with modifying fan hubs is that a blade will come off and depart radially. It will go through the hood and/or anything else in the vicinity that is in the plane of rotation of the fan. As a safety precaution, NEVER put your body across the plane of the fan when you're doing work under the hood with the engine running, even if your rotating assembly is dead stock... if something gets into the fan blades, they'll fling pieces out at you. For what it's worth, it's not very difficult to press a stock hub a little further onto the pump shaft so that you can use the stock 5/8" hole to locate your fan using an unmodified center hole and an unmodified (Fairmont) pulley. I recall that when I last replaced the water pump I had to dress the pump ribs slightly to provide clearance for the Fairmont pulley ID. Even if you have an OEM Tiger pulley that's designed to locate on the 1" cast step of the waterpump pulley flange, it might be better to make up a 5/8" to 1" spacer for the pulley and then use a 5/8" bore fan over top of it... nobody can tell under there. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chip Broadbooks > Sent: June 16, 2013 7:20 PM > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... > > I just dropped a 14" Flex-A-Light off last week at a machine shop to > get the 1" pilot hole. They told me they would hone it out to 1". I, > personally, thought I could do it myself with a drill. I wasn't too far > off on my effort. About 1/8". I remember all of the forces of a > rotating mass from my engineering classes and tossed that fan, bought > another, and am paying the money. All I need is to destroy the bearings > in the water pump and potentially crack my timing cover. I know the > mass wasn't that great, but I am not taking the chance. > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 10:27:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF5D4041F for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:27:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D2140323 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:27:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MOJ00ILCPNWAN20@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 11:26:20 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <9FF91BF723C94995A88AB30203F891F5@optiplex3301> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A20338C@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:26:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Theo, I agree with what you have said. Other than to keep a Tiger perfectly original I never understood why people continued to use the 1" hub. It seems like Rootes/Ford just reversed the hub as a quick way of moving the fan and pulley away from the radiator. But given the large desire to migrate to alternative fans (with 5/8" holes) the 1" hub is no longer a solution, but a hindrance. As you have stated there are other, easily accomplished alternatives to do that. My Tiger has a 5 bolt 289 with a" who knows what front cover" and I very much suspect a "generic, one size fits all" 5/8" water pump. While probably not optimal I do have clearance using the stock radiator and the yellow Volvo fan. Perhaps with thicker radiators it is less of an option. Also, the other day I mentioned the need for the 1" hole if using the stock Tiger hub. As Ron pointed out not every fan is a candidate for that modification. Foremost in my mind at the time was the posts, and I believe article on Tigers United, that Steve Laifman did. He retained the stock 1" hub and modified the Ford Maverick fan to fit. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 06:24:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB6640543 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5084009A for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:23:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id f14so2144526qak.0 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 05:22:11 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=82rg15p6hjjUmT2w3ZkM9r7CTfPtoOJeXjwNEnvPpu0=; b=H1WkHKai/FjxQHDg8FJFgstpaNkasyoVO09RRE2bTY/ObVki2/IYDToFkEkvjH3qXh OU1tb+CUWQM3bsCp/Suh5GkReWoBhaLyRzOi94ib4E53jiNKOEtMbUveg2DmgXoqJico j1mA1zuYkZ7i9jRAJUS2S3L0zNbITvgUCe7tPfb8kiqjhtt9OxQnjjQbhE3+LCQdP5h5 OjJJUlNckS0d1F6t86c4xYnL2QQ6nTDs+ouuP1pkfk3sYy7nsp2qjKNXA7dP6kyTIfdi AEOe6ReXpufjqTC16qnPEXggMvDPWDYz7VY6nuuYE3KqQclErF+1p0lrKnlQKQhDBUGS fD+A== gm8mr16246333qab.77.1371558131513; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 05:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.132.1 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 05:22:11 -0700 (PDT) References: <9FF91BF723C94995A88AB30203F891F5@optiplex3301> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A20338C@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> <0D02D25185304333AF7B0DBAE18857DA@optiplex3301> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:22:11 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: Thomas Witt Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The water pump Rick sells for the 289 engines is listed as a "cast iron type" because it's aluminum. It came with a spacer ring to accommodate the oversize pulley hole. You all might want to check with Rick and see if the 260 pump also comes with a spacer ring. I used Summit's 14" flex fan, thanks to some guidance from Paul Sheahan and the guys at the January T.A.C. event in Florida. I had to replace the upper radiator hose because I had cut the old one too close to accommodate the fan blades. Haven't tested it in traffic yet, but with the high efficiency radiator core and the horn hole fix I have high hopes. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Thomas Witt wrote: > Theo, I agree with what you have said. Other than to keep a Tiger > perfectly original I never understood why people continued to use the 1" > hub. It seems like Rootes/Ford just reversed the hub as a quick way of > moving the fan and pulley away from the radiator. But given the large > desire to migrate to alternative fans (with 5/8" holes) the 1" hub is no > longer a solution, but a hindrance. As you have stated there are other, > easily accomplished alternatives to do that. My Tiger has a 5 bolt 289 > with a" who knows what front cover" and I very much suspect a "generic, one > size fits all" 5/8" water pump. While probably not optimal I do have > clearance using the stock radiator and the yellow Volvo fan. Perhaps with > thicker radiators it is less of an option. > > Also, the other day I mentioned the need for the 1" hole if using the > stock Tiger hub. As Ron pointed out not every fan is a candidate for that > modification. Foremost in my mind at the time was the posts, and I believe > article on Tigers United, that Steve Laifman did. He retained the stock 1" > hub and modified the Ford Maverick fan to fit. > > Tom ______________________________**_________________ > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/tkparker1941@* > *gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 06:45:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A937E40423 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:45:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AD94041E for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:41:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id jz10so3066338veb.31 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 05:40:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xLZkjSE+QjejL4R4pFkO1mQgdnrH/k90U5LWEuOwH2g=; b=grEYLe2G0msK3VdQwxwBT48e0gTpzV0qU35WtSObvgc9575U+5I+yo3XkE0mjcHgeM mNHixGF3EsnN2WDum0PrgCd9mj+Uuq/4NBtHWhQ5FMp5/Ao7d3ZFgS/RwCW4NlUvZKWR jAQMyTHrSRj5ft09eM5OTQqiHjEVcWSAmQPq1aWyhY7WrJCmMG+ciLZ9tXy1buNe8CKk n+HGffuAeRVBEo686wvxsu4V8cPAsuMRpAl9ZQXIt1ALvZMT4KC+VjXyXtbQD0YfAeHD Zvlb/c5T7J0y8nNUVGk0jtbLG5naVOvUjNmZDhpJWphYRM4HaUONu+J3d7mKvwFgNG7I WKzA== xd11mr1533822vdc.96.1371559214538; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 05:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.65.19 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 05:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.65.19 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 05:40:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <9FF91BF723C94995A88AB30203F891F5@optiplex3301> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A20338C@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> <0D02D25185304333AF7B0DBAE18857DA@optiplex3301> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:40:14 -0400 From: Chip Broadbooks To: Tom Parker Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I got a bit of guidance from Eric Gibeaut. He was correct as I witnessed it. My bottom radiator hose was collapsing when my thermostat opened up. There isn't a spring in it like there used to be to keep it from collapsing. I went to O'Reilly and found one with a spring. I cannibalized the spring from the hose and cut the extra length off, and installed it into my lower hose. Took care of that issue. Haven't blocked my horn holes yet. Haven't gotten the flex fan installed yet. In Atlanta this week.... On Jun 18, 2013 8:22 AM, "Tom Parker" wrote: > The water pump Rick sells for the 289 engines is listed as a "cast iron > type" because it's aluminum. It came with a spacer ring to accommodate the > oversize pulley hole. You all might want to check with Rick and see if the > 260 pump also comes with a spacer ring. > > I used Summit's 14" flex fan, thanks to some guidance from Paul Sheahan > and the guys at the January T.A.C. event in Florida. I had to replace the > upper radiator hose because I had cut the old one too close to accommodate > the fan blades. Haven't tested it in traffic yet, but with the high > efficiency radiator core and the horn hole fix I have high hopes. > > Tom > '67 Mark 2 > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Thomas Witt >wrote: > > > Theo, I agree with what you have said. Other than to keep a Tiger > > perfectly original I never understood why people continued to use the 1" > > hub. It seems like Rootes/Ford just reversed the hub as a quick way of > > moving the fan and pulley away from the radiator. But given the large > > desire to migrate to alternative fans (with 5/8" holes) the 1" hub is no > > longer a solution, but a hindrance. As you have stated there are > other, > > easily accomplished alternatives to do that. My Tiger has a 5 bolt 289 > > with a" who knows what front cover" and I very much suspect a "generic, > one > > size fits all" 5/8" water pump. While probably not optimal I do have > > clearance using the stock radiator and the yellow Volvo fan. Perhaps with > > thicker radiators it is less of an option. > > > > Also, the other day I mentioned the need for the 1" hole if using the > > stock Tiger hub. As Ron pointed out not every fan is a candidate for > that > > modification. Foremost in my mind at the time was the posts, and I > believe > > article on Tigers United, that Steve Laifman did. He retained the stock > 1" > > hub and modified the Ford Maverick fan to fit. > > > > Tom ______________________________**_________________ > > > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html< > http://www.team.net/donate.html> > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/tkparker1941@* > > *gmail.com< > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/chip.broadbooks@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 13:26:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CE440446 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:26:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646D440395 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:25:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MOL00LA1PRINNA0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:23:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <9FF91BF723C94995A88AB30203F891F5@optiplex3301> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A20338C@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> <0D02D25185304333AF7B0DBAE18857DA@optiplex3301> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:23:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Where to find parts, shifter... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I would caution that using an insert spring, while a good (even necessary) idea, can potentially cause a problem. Years ago I had a friend who used such on his 289 Pinto conversion. Somehow the spring worked its way up the water pump inlet. The hose started collapsing and his water pump was damaged when the spring wound around the impeller. Bending the spring end is such a way that it abuts the thickness of the inlet (perhaps small triangles???) would be good preventative measure. There isn't a spring in it like there used to be to keep it from collapsing. I went to O'Reilly and found one with a spring. I cannibalized the spring from the hose and cut the extra length off, and installed it into my lower hose. Took care of that issue. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 13:43:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1353540687 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:43:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f42.google.com (mail-bk0-f42.google.com [209.85.214.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF50403B2 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:43:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f42.google.com with SMTP id jk13so2007085bkc.29 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:41:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=d+mSXf5hOnKdQU281SAp9oM+er6QA/q4gGsgjepmAiw=; b=eAmTvMIZBqq4GctdG8VMCB9QTOri6XULtgKssZUX14ZrkE3VpTKcgII1RlCMRDQaN2 dNg+9NftLKipWYMMy3lVWIFg4i0sqD+c6PGVepDBZAvH50Bh2xHggWYBx2sR7c3gvP1E TP0zr5+wQjsoOqhvxybXjFMoyk6utA50X2ap7z3Tys0i+YzrJSTMmoxykbwuM6hJD23v Fp6tCAg6uHOoeNWVDuEjU9m/OSYsUuUEUzCzFUn1rx3nCnfHq0CbLD8A/FTELByIheaf kXO9qB+Z8XsqwUO8JWkk9AFyq2O8sMvyD/427qgXFABmdEvr0Y2MHhNAQ8FEnv1cZuEx yL7g== er16mr2487926bkc.98.1371566014626; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.18.131 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:33:34 -0500 From: Joe Brown To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] England Trip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, In a couple of weeks I will be in England for a weekend and I am planning on going to Conventry to the Transport Museum. Are there any other Rootes/Sunbeam/Tiger related attractions in that area that I should check out? Thanks, Joe Brown _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 13:53:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB3340687 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80C1403B2 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.189] by nm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 19:45:36 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.198] by tm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 19:45:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 19:45:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 7907 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jun 2013 19:45:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371584736; bh=zALyQxR6OvtkbZsLr+a6C44p56CCZPG4nfLlNUJMx8s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zpoJyHZhLwGZotm/fJhPP3H0F38nMqmloPv0bXB4kXOmcDPjLj0lqsUY/a5np8Jep+41EkWe6VO4/RbyM2xEfhW6exRe66FuRYRJbTHhOsLztblhcBtSMRHOU3qtrke4luFO8u+ZkGtER/r8wADn3R6fU/xg7xyzVgHQYE3cUhM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TsqVkVsRTfrzE4W6D77o9AY1ANOm3bnPX0rKXgSrGCODzJ+dQNrDQv8WyD/DpctabsWf3pwKnDeH3Upq1M0r69Y8MJrQ5RNvs8o5TQxiF74csM2XU+ws5gQQXbllkl/brgQx6FRTb/fSSZycYYmTp0ep+PU9mk3HIWfCxWdO/kw=; ksTZ2uPXx.ZXgXnolk8fQuSo6ioXxk9Ufjssp7nyFppjczSBZJjA3Z2qCaWO df9FIQPisMo6yvAMK.2KHiOk1UjUbShJ2xyi6Cp4MEtzj6xwTBNzjiyNGwcQ awIb1_phnzPTSJ4aoTVBFbKFEwRzQgZ0fJxlE5VgpRX59GM4mVlgU9vraKPD hDVZ9GyrDgX7htcXhhOs1.3Pg1ba7tNTJEwO_jR_C3YtWOz1gVJ24ZY120LD sF4qhalKbKGeYrtnXUpVtYY2woNm0UWKK3ZTxIcdKHXg4fLH_1N6ZFaY3WRT a9UbytNpeOqVhAT9bOz.1AZEne3z65gM8YH3hiconbNipvQVCJfI216XybMe WVv3G6PY67OYjTn5QVFhFDnK5PZC2gW0eYbZE0.HpF2KCH0bWqG9zLoIgn3g 6NaNzoJU4HrM0.PrtURDPkP7EpjB5OFennhApDHucC4tQjfkXcxD6Vrs4Vwr iIFP5wK9IcEuEmQttAksMfsSF4i4F6cC0QFSBF_dRjrZ5 Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:45:36 PDT Jmd0OyBJIGFtIGhhdmluZyBpc3N1ZXMgd2l0aCBteSByZWJ1aWx0DQomZ3Q7IEF1dG9saXRlIDQxMDAgNCBiYXJyZWwgb24gdGhlIDE5NjUgRm9yZCAyODkgSGlQbyBlbmdpbmUgd2l0aA0KJmd0OyBhYm91dCAyNzEgSFAgYW5kIDUvMTYmcXVvdDsgZnVlbCBsaW5lLsKgIFRoZQ0KJmd0OyBwYXNzZW5nZXIgc2lkZSBzZWNvbmRhcnkgaXMgZmlsbGluZyB1cCB3aXRoIGdhcyBhdCBpZGxlIGFuZA0KJmd0OyB0aGVuIGxlYWtpbmcgb3V0IHRoZSBzaWRlLsKgIEkgaGF2ZSBjaGVja2VkIGZsb2F0IGxldmVsLA0KJmcBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:45:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > I am having issues with my rebuilt > Autolite 4100 4 barrel on the 1965 Ford 289 HiPo engine with > about 271 HP and 5/16" fuel line. The > passenger side secondary is filling up with gas at idle and > then leaking out the side. I have checked float level, > same as primary. No dirt etc in needle and seat. > I am thinking I have too much fuel pressure and fuel > is pushing past the needle and seat. > > I have disconnected the fuel line from carb and with > pressure guage on line, I have 5.52 lbs of pressure. > My understanding was that the 4100 needles were good to 8 > lbs before fuel would push past needle and seats. When > the pump gets to 5.52 lbs with only the pressure guage > connected the pump stops ticking, when connected to the carb > it never stops ticking\pumping > > I purchase the Facet fuel pump Part Number: BK 6101074 > Product Line: Balkamp > Attributes: > Fuel Pump Fitting Type[s] : 5/16" Barb Elbow > Fuel Pump Gallons Per Hour : 36 gph > Fuel Pump Line Size : 5/16" > Fuel Pump Pressure Rating : 4 - 5.5 psi > > My understanding was that the 4100 needles were good to 8 > lbs before fuel would push past needle and seats. The > stock SU pumped 15 GPH and would support 200 HP, at least to > my understanding - no idea of the PSI? What > PSI\GPH is needed to support the 271 HP engine? > > The only thing I can think to do is purchase a fuel > regulator and choke down the PSI until secondary stops > pushing gas past the needle and seat. > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 14:08:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521A040E01 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:08:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4071E40078 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:03:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.60] by nm26.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 20:02:27 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.206] by tm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 20:02:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 20:02:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 20410 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jun 2013 20:02:27 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371585747; bh=E8MA8EJbujXcXr11EzGHixx0oRGcRAdV0CcSQT4Q7nQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AdNdTbKpilfCNz0tka8/gvbtGpqLooxI+0oLf3ULHiaqG/Xp+wO0HSuADk17PGfYgKj6O1ABUdb40AD3sTt9sUpv4xdm6MXkrf/NVMW0UC3C4euNGYjFB4/15Ct8gLIb3Y6a+NzvTtP6WJ4+Ea72cYeBCICCzh3hdMehNKPbklw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Vd+7OLOa9vhLmHA4DbVcJBa7oauF/nYHnSY2TyTu+gRE+r4+xpUZSJIFxNol9mW9xyJ7U/mM5q9/oy+HuF6ZqIc/gXnLIWDFEapHVAhvWu96LOyM+emJrg3ZG2B9N48mMeURS+rpeVwmMyEInPHCTxsApT/KHBwsq7/YjS+Vb8A=; U.33dUuzd1SaqiwV10IwTG2Vd0jZzY.NO3bLkO8y7xYE6pdsPFTkNb6jpV2f slulUDynY8hwAhVzvTpk2HNJ1DWX12tks.NMuAyfmHYobhnP8Qo6AbDlPJxI 2x5dFQQakHCBE9MtTA_3ETR6ZngKS7fufZUKUkC8w5qkprbllMl5umpsbzTy TFKtSuH3ATlG9rHTCGHhTDijNMvi4x1evIIku.KMHv6ly4i_wILkJObmbWLY 2WrM731skqdnbXyiJxVg.mr6queifM.3EJbNfD_iUUaNdSq9xSb5hay42L05 dc3qv1lVwGVC1pUXAoLVBWvM.9jG6vX7tm61lPdDO0RODeXwnujQHUn0FBBP IcFCZf6jJ7vOIvWGe6e3HIDDqN77PrQ8SRAH0z3AxN11fnDB_5qcmWjvlWk7 3GysNSfTKy.C5tdQKZxdigYJ5j9JTjbdkZwRV8hcNCiLiCmIikmR9H7WGeqB WGxr9In2yERI4J.Rq3VfuC9oLI21Y40ctsv7VgxaWgl8- Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:02:27 PDT WW91IG1pZ2h0IHdhbnQgdG8gY2hlY2sgdGhlIGlkbGUgc2NyZXdzIHRoZW1zZWx2ZXMgLSBtaW5lIGhhZCBhICYjMzk7YnVyciYjMzk7IG9uIHRoZSBzY3JldyBhbmQgd291bGQgbm90IGFsbG93IGl0IHRvIGlkbGUgLSBqdXN0IGhhZCB0byBrZWVwIHJldmluZyBzbGlnaHRseSB0byBrZWVwIGl0IGxpdC4NCg0KQSBsaXR0bGUgcG9saXNoaW5nIHRvIHJlbW92ZSB0aGUgYnVyciBhbmQgaWRsZXMgbmljZSBub3csIGF0IGxlYXN0IG9uIHRoZSAybmQgYW5kIHRoaXJkIHN0YXJ0IHVwLg0KDQpKb2VsIE1hcnRpbgEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:02:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Carb install - at least it's not leaking Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net You might want to check the idle screws themselves - mine had a 'burr' on the screw and would not allow it to idle - just had to keep reving slightly to keep it lit. A little polishing to remove the burr and idles nice now, at least on the 2nd and third start up. Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 14:09:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6ED4270F for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:09:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1ED403B2 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:07:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 20:06:17 -0000 Received: from [67.195.14.95] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 20:06:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 20:06:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371585977; bh=zHrAJOq2ny1CMa6AuqGL01iSojXEkN/VQB+lK92mtT4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type; b=BcQSKpIL3i/V4RGLGsYlp85WeCu+q8aYMUVqaIryOL3Khwht6Bk4J2s1LC4CBjV8i6el1p4WHBrJp7gxauOegQ4u7mLI+Sr5uGeWR8P5I+T6wMWoYKb7DuoNrGH+US1a31FY65rXSoGZ5/r2NOFG5v+P8bB2qxXzAEh8Jnswwck= wUYh.rDwpSDtI0aFatdHtZ1ea4ryi3j2LRhaYg8PQdoXfiMRfNU0EuTWCjT6 7pyeJ6XIvXWeRWl0gREeeLjeIHxtXPWMUOOrZHreBemEEuga1LU60cF7Pndp o6RO_PqMx1fjt5_iPlMenCv71SbHsZkq7ckPW1bqJ7Imm93jcHjGNwP1.W81 8XO7hEdHgEv8nZHMDsJlP83PT2MQerGeZ88A91MKJn.nhiYNUi5NLMFVD.HN Gn3sqDEv45cL8d15KrxLCH4xbpstsKhhAlA87IJPDqM_ASEsgMy__GmqgWTA V3hf6CeIwHZdGbRm_g_vafBzdPlhP6nNFroh.6Fw9r3Cqoki4n4Q5FBFlSq2 9lh_C4IF1b2gXSQ_p.jE0BdVmttRbE._1WIjqvQHg8sJjxI7klQAi5Z5U2U2 bB4K4NkSXVspoQqQL9FGZq.agu1EExaBLSj1.tDIm9aE5A.R2ie.e1fjZW1I Cd97VIdeS3_y3Qz7V3OIm9I11Gi7GLW08e7qSDUoLRPUwCxHkihldDhZ9lB6 YQKZIYSMz5yI- by smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2013 13:06:17 -0700 PDT User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.5.130515 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:06:13 -0400 From: Don Antilla To: Joel Martin , Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Fuel Pressure Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net * Joel: I own a Series 200 Griffith with a stroked 289 so it is now 347 inches. I use a Holley Red electric pump which produces 7 PSI I have a slightly tuned up HiPo 289 Autolite carb and I do not have any flooding problem. I took a lot of care to assure my float level was per the book. My process was: * Remove the top from the carb * Note the fuel level and measure the distance from the top surface of the carb to the wet fuel in the bowl. I forgot the value, but it is found easily in the Ford publications. If you can't find the value please let me know. You MUST be certain to not have a wet fuel level higher than specified because the booster venturis will then be sucked into the two secondary venturis. Next: * Turn your electric fuel pump ON and observe if the level of the fuel rises. It shouldn't take too long for the level to stabilize. * When the pump is running, use a flashlght (LED type preferred. NEVER bring an incandescent bulb anywhere near fuel since a drop on the globe can result in a fire/explosion) to look into the secondaries and see if any fuel is seeping past the booster rings ('venturis). Also look to see if any fuel is seeping past the booster venturi assembly where it is screwed to the carb body.(Be sure you have a gasket under your booster venturi assembly) * When the fuel pump changes tone, or when the level stabilizes, measure the wet fuel level with respect to the top of the carb body. It needs to be precisely on the money for the carb to run right. * Remember to be sure that you have the little spring retainer piece on the float pivot/ needle & seat brass piece. If the little retention spring is missing, it well could cause the needle to rise and excess fuel to leak in substantially. Be sure the lock spring is engaged onto the brass recess. Hope this helps. Don A On 6/18/13 3:45 PM, "Joel Martin" wrote: > > I am having issues with my rebuilt > > Autolite 4100 4 barrel on the 1965 Ford 289 HiPo engine with > > about 271 HP and 5/16" fuel line. The > > passenger side secondary is filling up with gas at idle and > > then leaking out the side. I have checked float level, > > same as primary. No dirt etc in needle and seat. > > I am thinking I have too much fuel pressure and fuel > > is pushing past the needle and seat. > > > > I have disconnected the fuel line from carb and with > > pressure guage on line, I have 5.52 lbs of pressure. > > My understanding was that the 4100 needles were good to 8 > > lbs before fuel would push past needle and seats. When > > the pump gets to 5.52 lbs with only the pressure guage > > connected the pump stops ticking, when connected to the carb > > it never stops ticking\pumping > > > > I purchase the Facet fuel pump Part Number: BK 6101074 > > Product Line: Balkamp > > Attributes: > > Fuel Pump Fitting Type[s] : 5/16" Barb Elbow > > Fuel Pump Gallons Per Hour : 36 gph > > Fuel Pump Line Size : 5/16" > > Fuel Pump Pressure Rating : 4 - 5.5 psi > > > > My understanding was that the 4100 needles were good to 8 > > lbs before fuel would push past needle and seats. The > > stock SU pumped 15 GPH and would support 200 HP, at least to > > my understanding - no idea of the PSI? What > > PSI\GPH is needed to support the 271 HP engine? > > > > The only thing I can think to do is purchase a fuel > > regulator and choke down the PSI until secondary stops > > pushing gas past the needle and seat. > > > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > > > Joel Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fast427@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 14:09:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E28742739 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:09:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A50403C6 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:08:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id prBP1l0060vyq2s58w6qap; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:06:50 +0000 Received: from sz0158.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pw6q1l00x2ymm843Rw6q8B; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:06:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:06:50 +0000 (UTC) From: stubrennan@comcast.net To: Joel Martin s=q20121106; t=1371586010; bh=6kVV6gaQiqb5c+FgOAop92ZuEO5lnUxMSWeR1Y5TPuw=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=fu92wGUvMzG62S5wzS7dgRp5BAMuttrQ2NcdADEPuqavzoKxhP+8JnGP6VCC+JjmL /eydksuB7C440BdQy890HmiyHHZS/KBnM9lTvThdB+cAYkcLkUmW8ia7oVURUe9IQ0 i1JHZUBONZ8za6jzKUUfzrNSJVvW5owQwd8xDFDkYuvzzxT+CncSjVzz6Tsfkb4aAj jRy40cRFYSUaWmgjouWo1xqrzhckDlDwQzOOSeyrGkqdDQLHOcnLdFr+nRVmFdDu+U 8wQ2hJGZxjM6MCzHspiItuuLDzY/PUkMNq62fHwsLoRO8+la62rHUyihDTlXPr8H+y gtOMBfbdPismQ== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm using a Facet with about the same max pressure on my stock 2 barrel with no problems. Did you check the float height again? I had something like this happen (not on the Tiger) when the float didn't. It had a slow leak and eventually sank. And you said only one bowl overflows. The other side is always OK with the same pressure? Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 14:10:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD005406A9 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:10:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co9outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co9ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [207.46.163.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2D042705 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:09:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail114-co9-R.bigfish.com (10.236.132.232) by CO9EHSOBE010.bigfish.com (10.236.130.73) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:07:43 +0000 Received: from mail114-co9 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail114-co9-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011C62400C3; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:07:43 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail114-co9: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail114-co9 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail114-co9 (MessageSwitch) id 1371586060382148_10078; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO9EHSMHS015.bigfish.com (unknown [10.236.132.241]) by mail114-co9.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3F1200057; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CO9EHSMHS015.bigfish.com (10.236.130.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:07:40 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT06.ad.garmin.com (10.2.0.28) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:07:53 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by olawpa-exht06.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.0.28]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:07:38 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Joel Martin , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Fuel Pressure Thread-Index: AQHObF1ETm2DrB5KBkmykG8fwDRyj5k74hfg Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:07:37 +0000 References: <1371584736.7894.YahooMailBasic@web164704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It might be that the secondary needle and seat assembly is damaged or misaligned and that prevents it from shutting off completely. Is the float hanger free of friction? One other thing that can happen to carbs with brass floats (I don't recall if the 4100 is in that category, but it's happened to me with Webers) is that the float develops a leak and then fills with fuel so it can't operate the shutoff needle. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin > Sent: June 18, 2013 1:46 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Pressure > > > I am having issues with my rebuilt > > Autolite 4100 4 barrel on the 1965 Ford 289 HiPo engine with > > about 271 HP and 5/16" fuel line. ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 14:45:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E1D40654 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:45:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5387F4009B for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:39:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5IKcCkm015810; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:38:20 -0700 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189421) id dm0225.5192ebb2.44cf35; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:37:34 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:37:31 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5sXULf+JwIbL4SQX2zIglIIP3n7AAAw9Bg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-18_07:2013-06-18,2013-06-18,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306180208 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel You could drop the float level a little to see if it helps. Make sure the float does float and not sink. Float level is away check wet. Ford carburetors operate around 5 psi and I believe up to around 8 psi Leaks are always a pain but you need to find where and why it is leaking - is the gasket leaking, is the float level too high, is the needle and seat OK, is it the casting? At WOT you need about 1/2 lb fuel per HP - 15 gph will support around 200 HP; 36 gph should support around 480 HP Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:46 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Pressure > I am having issues with my rebuilt > Autolite 4100 4 barrel on the 1965 Ford 289 HiPo engine with > about 271 HP and 5/16" fuel line. The > passenger side secondary is filling up with gas at idle and > then leaking out the side. I have checked float level, > same as primary. No dirt etc in needle and seat. > I am thinking I have too much fuel pressure and fuel > is pushing past the needle and seat. > > I have disconnected the fuel line from carb and with > pressure guage on line, I have 5.52 lbs of pressure. > My understanding was that the 4100 needles were good to 8 > lbs before fuel would push past needle and seats. When > the pump gets to 5.52 lbs with only the pressure guage > connected the pump stops ticking, when connected to the carb > it never stops ticking\pumping > > I purchase the Facet fuel pump Part Number: BK 6101074 > Product Line: Balkamp > Attributes: > Fuel Pump Fitting Type[s] : 5/16" Barb Elbow > Fuel Pump Gallons Per Hour : 36 gph > Fuel Pump Line Size : 5/16" > Fuel Pump Pressure Rating : 4 - 5.5 psi > > My understanding was that the 4100 needles were good to 8 > lbs before fuel would push past needle and seats. The > stock SU pumped 15 GPH and would support 200 HP, at least to > my understanding - no idea of the PSI? What > PSI\GPH is needed to support the 271 HP engine? > > The only thing I can think to do is purchase a fuel > regulator and choke down the PSI until secondary stops > pushing gas past the needle and seat. > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6417 - Release Date: 06/16/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 14:47:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD38440E16 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:47:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm27-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828C64009B for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:39:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.199] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 20:37:56 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.243] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 20:37:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 20:37:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371587876; bh=b+I2BW5uHpOBm6Sc0YD/0vC8mS9h8y6SvXHyvMf6CUI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding; b=BD9UwY7nqX49ig3C7jBpLWLlHZ5L8I3ketLdNlI9vKUFCiP397++4xJhohIpthpzW53TLJ9rnsB1FNuJW4g9PqR9PXGKo4Aw60kIKjLxhrNkFVK0QRVmU5kkgxWoYMHjiJfY0rLN1rlrDq8Fj8DIi+zGykpiXQMm2ajVfooYqNs= 1vQap8foV5i.xxPDOwYCHTDhyAVDQp6Oxbo9mHnJ6zh7WBJcZuSPno8NYqjb GZ0SP.gQrz2CZ8gegn3RaVZDZa5FJghhOf20wvMkT7eA3v2sC1OwdVTmHHV1 adJuIVnabyQnbWA9KQb8C5hDZdHSj_eGpVILz8HDYl0Pe2SVb9OAdsUnwnOy NEakXgzYDMJNBOy3XJMkfRpcAzKXF5Sa6cqqyNH0j2Xq7uBeGwOn8UzrwUra KHm0H0_sE2uA8BYMgbxhjkwdv9RUoLxrN.GrE96DN0tyCzIIb2IocMi3NvPt .egp2iFXN2OecOBmMuA.dBQWGNGPsc98Jhb7iLocgK4Unek_j9Ue70ZZhaxg o_rM68hLq2s2tNFEO71X6eE91iUbUfNNzSJN5TkhXyixuWCHXXNIjIduM07q ZBpODiLbAHEjMd5QCAC4nVq5vPtXCg4opqIMbWc8uG4CqD0YXjdHG1vhI9Pu 9r4DxyKUcJczZhk4- by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2013 13:37:55 -0700 PDT User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.5.130515 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:37:50 -0400 From: Don Antilla To: Don Antilla , Joel Martin , Thread-Topic: Updated/ correctionFuel Pressure Subject: [Tigers] Updated/ correctionFuel Pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Friends: I had to correct a mistyping. (" because the FUEL will be sucked ") Please see this updated text. Don On 6/18/13 4:06 PM, "Don Antilla" wrote: >* Joel: I own a Series 200 Griffith with a stroked 289 so it is now 347 >inches. >I use a Holley Red electric pump which produces 7 PSI >I have a slightly tuned up HiPo 289 Autolite carb and I do not have any >flooding problem. > >I took a lot of care to assure my float level was per the book. >My process was: >* Remove the top from the carb >* Note the fuel level and measure the distance from the top surface of the >carb to the wet fuel in the bowl. I forgot the value, but it is found >easily >in the Ford publications. If you can't find the value please let me know. >You MUST be certain to not have a wet fuel level higher than specified >because the FUEL will then be sucked into the two secondary >venturis. >Next: >* Turn your electric fuel pump ON and observe if the level of the fuel >rises. It shouldn't take too long for the level to stabilize. >* When the pump is running, use a flashlght (LED type preferred. NEVER >bring >an incandescent bulb anywhere near fuel since a drop on the globe can >result >in a fire/explosion) to look into the secondaries and see if any fuel is >seeping past the booster rings ('venturis). Also look to see if any fuel >is >seeping past the booster venturi assembly where it is screwed to the carb >body.(Be sure you have a gasket under your booster venturi assembly) >* When the fuel pump changes tone, or when the level stabilizes, measure >the >wet fuel level with respect to the top of the carb body. It needs to be >precisely on the money for the carb to run right. >* Remember to be sure that you have the little spring retainer piece on >the >float pivot/ needle & seat brass piece. If the little retention spring is >missing, it well could cause the needle to rise and excess fuel to leak in >substantially. Be sure the lock spring is engaged onto the brass recess. >Hope this helps. > >Don A _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 16:12:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BB3406AD for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:12:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0BF40409 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Cobra (173-228-106-127.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.106.127]) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with SMTP id r5IM62nT005603 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:06:02 -0700 From: "csx2282" To: References: Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:06:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Leaky brass floats aren't the only ones that can cause problems. Composite floats can too. I once had a Dodge equipped with a Holley with a side mounted float. After several years it started having a problem with stalling while turning, but only in one direction. After asking around, I found out that this was a common problem with this carb. It turns out that composite floats tend to lose their bouncy with age. Since the float was side mounted, there was a stronger centrifugal effect on it in one direction than the other, resulted in fuel starvation. With cross mounted floats, this can cause stalling during hard braking. Whenever I do a carb rebuild, I also replace the float(s). I suppose you could have brass floats checked for leakage, but I've never bothered. With composite floats, replacement is just a given as far as I'm concerned. Roland > From: "Smit, Theo" > > It might be that the secondary needle and seat assembly is damaged or > misaligned and that prevents it from shutting off completely. Is the float > hanger free of friction? > One other thing that can happen to carbs with brass floats (I don't recall > if > the 4100 is in that category, but it's happened to me with Webers) is that > the > float develops a leak and then fills with fuel so it can't operate the > shutoff > needle. > > Theo _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 13:44:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7258142759 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:44:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4EE542719 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:37:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm27.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2013 19:36:27 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.247] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2013 19:36:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1056.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2013 19:36:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 57946 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2013 19:36:27 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371670587; bh=Iv8VY04Ez0W7FxXrBjNgIrAVD3brbfNSR4uFgCbUN0E=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=e3fcN99niJ691+gn+73OOOrPFpv6BbyUdQuRdHd0Noe/26+S7D1st+eSMU22n7Cgi5TFBVRKnoFzSMUy+WU4b0dIYwr0IGmCy5uGm4rdqAO3A1uBpf4CGUhYZE9FalYVueGflLh8kgqXQ4S+IyMY8Waj/Ol0M9U8ZKg4U1LmYUk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=O0bUW3760xCAgHIF4uuvTjurnEO7PfV1OxNgeQG0FxWcAudmN+sCErsw+uJn0QbHdJvInT5LAic9J6OiyrSkr6fYbrCttKf6xblrTpjJio8/ayOPwWBRTps0WmhBRuQAUxmYx69zCaa1vSIpbpFTqO2IJUeFc1T8hqWCd7gegaI=; F7ZZ3PrPJx9jYaoVWEYiP93QLijrKtcfaQli0fbMFKhp.TeHUB0LzBUXbdY9 loHduwINAh5YXcR7GT7AG.FkMUsBMsJJz8Yb2s7ZRLDzuZ1db1PmrAhZ5Q7O 0vlNSgDB19fqFr7eUaHfkaU2yaDSem_jWip8fVg4zWbP9oA5PHkTts3cJwfg c6qF9o4g0YRseoWQxJ1C2Nc5Pp59b9.33ndH_DIwJtnnWWUb5UUmCVevHELz OFMOByEtvPSw2H291nmEc_GRX5U.7s7VmCmXo.Lq078zpWlHDwUAzRj1sxSU BSoo_OCJVgMN7TVjpHnNnI2pHH_6GdDlWkdQe9NyX7_xspEhqxmzo1JcMxnF ezzGrDC86W_d6VZbmztbnhD444gU..cPmc7TNcAPIbmTnv4dcjchzeqfhK75 MjYpBOVcjf3MZT2eFO6QOtiNLhqbGc9ZEOshK57PI4_tvopuv52VRfm8.S.h rmT5VpjY_weX33FgSMhHeZ3oXdIDeG317oZs- Received: from [69.35.176.62] by web142603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:36:27 PDT QWxsLApJIGFtIGZpbmFsbHkgYXR0ZW1wdGluZyB0byBnZXQgbXkgVGlnZXIgYmFjayBvbiB0aGUgcm9hZCBhZnRlciAzNSB5ZWFycyBpbiB0aGUgZ2FyYWdlLgpJIGhhdmUgcmVtb3ZlZCB0aGUgcmFkaWF0b3IuIChJIHRoaW5rIGl0IGxlYWtzLikKSSBoYXZlIHJlbW92ZWQgdGhlIHdhdGVyIHB1bXAgLSBjb21wbGV0ZWx5IGZyb3plbiB1cCEKVGhlwqB0cmFuc21pc3Npb24gaXMgaW4gbmV1dHJhbC4KVGhlIGRpcHN0aWNrIHNob3dzIHRoZSBvaWwgbG9va3MgZ29vZCwgbm8gc2lnaCBvZiB3YXRlci4KSSBoYXYBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:36:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Halgren To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net All, I am finally attempting to get my Tiger back on the road after 35 years in the garage. I have removed the radiator. (I think it leaks.) I have removed the water pump - completely frozen up! The transmission is in neutral. The dipstick shows the oil looks good, no sigh of water. I have removed the spark plugs. I tried to rotate the engine, but it is frozen and will not turn. (Tried to turn it using a long breaker bar.) I am assuming the old gasoline has varnished and frozen the engine. Is there a way to free up the pistons? What other steps can I take to free it up? Since the engine is original, I would prefer to keep it, rather than get a new short block. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Carl Halgren CGHalgren@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 13:48:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87EA4276A for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:48:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co9outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co9ehsobe003.messaging.microsoft.com [207.46.163.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C272E42719 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:48:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail127-co9-R.bigfish.com (10.236.132.253) by CO9EHSOBE033.bigfish.com (10.236.130.96) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:46:45 +0000 Received: from mail127-co9 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail127-co9-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4247D78023D; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:46:45 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail127-co9: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail127-co9 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail127-co9 (MessageSwitch) id 1371671202970709_27694; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO9EHSMHS023.bigfish.com (unknown [10.236.132.247]) by mail127-co9.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E148A84005E; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CO9EHSMHS023.bigfish.com (10.236.130.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:46:42 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:47:18 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.181]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:46:39 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Carl Halgren , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Thread-Index: AQHObSUH4ls2x1T+zEC02TQTN5X4XZk9b+bA Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:46:39 +0000 References: <1371670587.56804.YahooMailNeo@web142603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net HI Carl, If it won't rotate with a breaker bar, it's not going to do you much good to try to just free up the pistons and then run it like that. Most likely you're going to have cracked valve stem seals, stuck lifters, and a bunch of other teething problems that will keep you from enjoying the car. Pull the engine, take it apart, and recondition everything. That way you'll find out what it is that's really keeping it from turning over as well as putting new seals and gaskets in so it doesn't spray crap everywhere. You should be able to keep the original block - at worst you'd have to bore it .030 over and put in new pistons. You might be able to get away with just honing the cylinders and cleaning the varnish off everything. Good luck, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl Halgren > Sent: June 19, 2013 1:36 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage > > All, > I am finally attempting to get my Tiger back on the road after 35 years > in the garage. > I have removed the radiator. (I think it leaks.) I have removed the > water pump - completely frozen up! > The transmission is in neutral. > The > dipstick shows the oil looks good, no sigh of water. > I have removed the spark > plugs. > I tried to rotate the engine, but it is frozen and will not turn. > (Tried to turn it using a long breaker bar.) I am assuming the old > gasoline has varnished and frozen the engine. > Is there a way to free up the pistons? > What other steps can I take to free it up? Since the engine is > original, I would prefer to keep it, rather than get a new short block. > > Any advice would > be greatly appreciated. > Carl Halgren > CGHalgren@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 13:58:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F714274D for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:58:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2BD42719 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:55:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qEPZ1l00A1eYJf8AFKuQzj; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:54:24 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qKuQ1l00L2yr1eL01KuQas; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:54:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:54:24 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Theo Smit s=q20121106; t=1371671664; bh=uvMgXigx80Icndr53s5e/Pz0hhvTrF7QT1MctEtdtgk=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ZYf2VbjC4+FJcJpnsPA5WX08OD+Py3QId44cg7dW8s8cREkMpNP8xX7vFw6YKwDhK fjBt2nUdsBxKhlDye13MW7QP7+VVSSZjmZgOtVciUls9r8zJmVTua5L6tE6ZQ7JYJ7 BYPCD7BQJxVzWzHst1fyqxgdCgZHOoUHosNQbi7kKYzFneyugNKU5rVVoDdneZI4B8 hiBhMnRX9iqpetAHB/GCsaVf3x4XXEHighGW7nlpSgBLi7HiHgPsRJ7zT3z9GWg5Ut H6311lLt2agisGkRCDr3pIKHU7f+hzdFRE5gx7CPSkuK+KjUpxpVGDjW1ZgUK/B+Mi PPSyLYnzpr1XA== Cc: Carl Halgren , tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Even when you get the motor apart, you might have trouble getting the pistons out of the bores. At tip I have heard about is to fill each cylinder with a 50/50 mixture of atf and acetone, to a depth of about 1/2 inch or so if possible. Let it soak for several days. I emphasize I have never done this myself, but hopefully this early heads up will inspire others with direct experience to confirm or correct. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theo Smit" To: "Carl Halgren" , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:46:39 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage HI Carl, If it won't rotate with a breaker bar, it's not going to do you much good to try to just free up the pistons and then run it like that. Most likely you're going to have cracked valve stem seals, stuck lifters, and a bunch of other teething problems that will keep you from enjoying the car. Pull the engine, take it apart, and recondition everything. That way you'll find out what it is that's really keeping it from turning over as well as putting new seals and gaskets in so it doesn't spray crap everywhere. You should be able to keep the original block - at worst you'd have to bore it .030 over and put in new pistons. You might be able to get away with just honing the cylinders and cleaning the varnish off everything. Good luck, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl Halgren > Sent: June 19, 2013 1:36 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage > > All, > I am finally attempting to get my Tiger back on the road after 35 years > in the garage. > I have removed the radiator. (I think it leaks.) I have removed the > water pump - completely frozen up! > The transmission is in neutral. > The > dipstick shows the oil looks good, no sigh of water. > I have removed the spark > plugs. > I tried to rotate the engine, but it is frozen and will not turn. > (Tried to turn it using a long breaker bar.) I am assuming the old > gasoline has varnished and frozen the engine. > Is there a way to free up the pistons? > What other steps can I take to free it up? Since the engine is > original, I would prefer to keep it, rather than get a new short block. > > Any advice would > be greatly appreciated. > Carl Halgren > CGHalgren@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 14:13:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0A54276B for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:13:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f42.google.com (mail-qe0-f42.google.com [209.85.128.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE36642719 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f42.google.com with SMTP id s14so3582305qeb.29 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:07:57 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=pPyfN7EgS63cFqK0UDEhcmrFsrP9gf3FQOtECyhA5Jc=; b=zJ9QEYWDPOi107+fO8jbORkgEqF9yZWnnWvyYevoF11D0jMjHCG7lFBphVamPpnmz9 0H/OMSBRLrD5Scnz947Qe/zvy7UokuBSlHRfQER+rHD5zu+lHug3vadsR9bv90MrUCcc hujAZ7dlHJR79tTRiZFcSKfCxlsxbtmzGKPQH9kF8KaTzQI/vaKAwuhdelENvQ3YOuWm ppP1wNBSv6AKwQN/JKQQTjkDn2WDCh7JsSAy92dIZHzUhjfb78mWxXHyHpTBh/ez7YpW PiYb8h9fQLGeHeen33fHKLCloi0LY+0Cvuzb7/Uua4ViFDNUXoKKKW5L9OSQ61TY70Yb M0pg== c3mr1767814qcx.88.1371672477697; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.81.39 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:07:57 -0700 (PDT) References: <1371670587.56804.YahooMailNeo@web142603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:07:57 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: Carl Halgren Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Carl, I'm sure you'll get lots of advice from the group; they're well versed in all things Tiger. If it was me I'd change the oil and filter, pull the distributor and try to spin up the oil pump to get oil to the bearings. Rotation, if memory serves, is counter-clockwise. You can oil the cylinders (more or less) with a good penetrating oil like maybe Marvel Mystery oil or type A transmission fluid - keeping in mind you really don't want to run the engine without another oil change once it is freed up... And, assuming the pump will spin and oil the bearings, try again to break the engine loose. If that doesn't work a rebuild is in order. 289 cranks are available if needed, but may be hard to find. Pistons, bearings, etc. are readily available. If you do have to tear it down, have the innards balanced, and remember to work clean. Just because the transmission is in neutral doesn't mean is isn't frozen. Pull the drive shaft the try to spin it from the rear. That eliminates everything except the front shaft / bearing as a potential bind. I'm sure you'll hear from guys who'll say you can pull the transmission without moving the engine. I have a missing knuckle that says it's damn near impossible to do. If you decide to try, put the car on jack stands to the frame (un-sprung) and use a transmission jack. If you haven't already, get to know Rick McLeod at Sunbeam Specialties, he's your new best friend. Lots of Tiger specific parts and a wealth of knowledge. Also, if you haven't, consider joining C.A.T. (The California Association Of Tiger Owners) and get to know Bill Graf, their parts guru. Summit Racing and National Parts Depot (among others) are good places for Ford engine parts. And, if questions arise (they always arise), ask here. There's more expertise on this site than almost anywhere. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Carl Halgren wrote: > All, > I am finally attempting to get my Tiger back on the road after 35 years > in the garage. > I have removed the radiator. (I think it leaks.) > I have removed > the water pump - completely frozen up! > The transmission is in neutral. > The > dipstick shows the oil looks good, no sigh of water. > I have removed the spark > plugs. > I tried to rotate the engine, but it is frozen and will not turn. > (Tried to turn it using a long breaker bar.) > I am assuming the old gasoline > has varnished and frozen the engine. > Is there a way to free up the pistons? > What other steps can I take to free it up? Since the engine is original, I > would prefer to keep it, rather than get a new short block. > > Any advice would > be greatly appreciated. > Carl Halgren > CGHalgren@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 14:15:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BE6427D0 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:15:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DB742719 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5JK8GfQ013237; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:09:35 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0213.5192ebd3.488ac3; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:09:27 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.145.65]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:09:24 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Smit, Theo'" , "'Carl Halgren'" , Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:09:19 -0400 Thread-Index: AQHObSUH4ls2x1T+zEC02TQTN5X4XZk9b+bAgAAEniA= engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-19_07:2013-06-19,2013-06-19,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=9 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306190190 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Carl Theo covered it. You might want to jack the rear wheels up to make sure you actually do have it in neutral, wheels should turn as long as the brakes are not frozen too; watch the drive shaft. You might need to turn just the drive shaft to make sure the transmission is not in a gear. Once in a great while my transmission hangs up at the shifter and I have to force it to neutral. You could put a few ounces of ATF or Marvel Mystery oil in each cylinder and let it sit overnight or longer to see if it will free the pistons. Most likely it will need a rebuild. How many miles on this engine? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Smit, Theo Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:47 PM To: Carl Halgren; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage HI Carl, If it won't rotate with a breaker bar, it's not going to do you much good to try to just free up the pistons and then run it like that. Most likely you're going to have cracked valve stem seals, stuck lifters, and a bunch of other teething problems that will keep you from enjoying the car. Pull the engine, take it apart, and recondition everything. That way you'll find out what it is that's really keeping it from turning over as well as putting new seals and gaskets in so it doesn't spray crap everywhere. You should be able to keep the original block - at worst you'd have to bore it .030 over and put in new pistons. You might be able to get away with just honing the cylinders and cleaning the varnish off everything. Good luck, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl Halgren > Sent: June 19, 2013 1:36 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage > > All, > I am finally attempting to get my Tiger back on the road after 35 > years in the garage. I have removed the radiator. (I think it leaks.) > I have removed the water pump - completely frozen up! > The transmission is in neutral. > The > dipstick shows the oil looks good, no sigh of water. > I have removed the spark > plugs. > I tried to rotate the engine, but it is frozen and will not turn. > (Tried to turn it using a long breaker bar.) I am assuming the old > gasoline has varnished and frozen the engine. > Is there a way to free up the pistons? > What other steps can I take to free it up? Since the engine is > original, I would prefer to keep it, rather than get a new short block. > > Any advice would > be greatly appreciated. > Carl Halgren > CGHalgren@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 14:17:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3506A4276C for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66F742719 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:17:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MON00LQ8PN2TZ80@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:16:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <1371670587.56804.YahooMailNeo@web142603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:16:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The other option is to try and free the engine. I warn that there is the risk of breaking piston rings and/or the lands on the piston. Remember you have a rather rare 5 bolt block (I think). There are many method that can be found on the internet. But typically something like "Marvel Mystery Oil" is put in the cylinder. I would recommend about a cap full or two. Then with an air hose in the spark plug hole (and a rag to prevent platter) give it a blast to spread it around the cylinder walls. This will help to ensure it works its way around the hole piston. The MMO is allowed to sit for a period of time - maybe 24 hours. Then try the rotation again. If it gets you anywhere repeat the process until everything rotates decently. Once there is some movement I would alternate (back and forth) the direction of rotation to hopefully "pump" the MMO between the rings. Having said all that, why was the car parked 35 years ago? If it had a spun bearing there is no advantage to attempting to free it up. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 16:56:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C664F4274C for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:56:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F9F42749 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:55:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170188pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MON003MMWYLG600@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:54:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 173.58.229.205 ([173.58.229.205]) by vznit170188 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:54:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:54:21 -0500 (CDT) From: bucktrippel@verizon.net To: atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have dealt with only one frozen Tiger engine. Dan Walters and I freed it by squirting Kroil in each cylinder and then working a breaker bar on the damper bolt back and forth. Eventually got it to turn and run. However one cylinder was low on conpression and I had to rebuild the block. In the end I guess it wasn't worth the effort to free it and run it before rebuilding. However you might be luckier than I was. bt ps leaving for TU in the AM. 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I am impressed with the speed of these responses. B I have several suggestions on soaking the pistons b Marvel Mystery oil, or atf, or a 50/50 mix of atf and acetone, or diesel fuel. Decisions, decisions. B This week I managed to free up the rusted right rear brake. I have ordered a pair of rear wheel cylinders from Classic Garage. I know the transmission is in neutral because the un-rusted wheel turns freely (sorta). I have 2 options b new brake shoes or have the old shoes relined. The shoes have lots of meat on them, but I think I would be safer with new linings. B The radiator has green residue along the lower portion (copper color), and the water level was empty except for a small amount of green stuff (antifreeze mostly, I guess). B Since the old water pump will not turn, I know I need a new water pump b will the stock Ford pump fit? B A little background on my Tiger MKII. I bought it new. I was in the Air Force in Omaha, Nebraska, and stopped in to price a station wagon while in Denver for a rifle competition. No station wagon, but I ordered a 289 Tiger. Picked it up a month later. It accompanied me to San Jose for IBM schooling for a couple of months, then back to Omaha for a couple more years. After that, we went to NJ where it lived (and died) for many years. I retired 8 years ago to a small town near Topeka, KS and dragged it with me on a trailer. It has been garaged since 1977. B Thanks, Carl _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 17:24:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0326842764 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:24:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C981C42719 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:24:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5JNMcvR014003; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:22:38 -0700 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 401896c6) id dm0224.5192ebb6.49b1cc; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:22:35 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Carl Halgren'" , Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:22:29 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5tQXj1JaTqubTMSbydYgLLzuzhAQAAG0Dg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-19_09:2013-06-19,2013-06-19,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=9 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306190240 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Carl This email based group can be very fast responding. Someone is usually online most of the time. Sunbeam Rules of Engagement 1 - never, ever throw a part away or exchange a part from your Tiger - it is your only clue to what the correct part should be or looks like 2 - when you are about to throw that part away or exchange it refer to Rule 1 The water pump is a stock Ford 289 cast iron water pump - the difference is the position of the fan hub. I would try to have the original water pump rebuilt but that is me. Most engine parts are stock Ford parts but there are also many unique to Tiger parts too - another reason to never throw parts away. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl Halgren Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:05 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Thanks for so much information. I am impressed with the speed of these responses. B I have several suggestions on soaking the pistons b Marvel Mystery oil, or atf, or a 50/50 mix of atf and acetone, or diesel fuel. Decisions, decisions. B This week I managed to free up the rusted right rear brake. I have ordered a pair of rear wheel cylinders from Classic Garage. I know the transmission is in neutral because the un-rusted wheel turns freely (sorta). I have 2 options b new brake shoes or have the old shoes relined. The shoes have lots of meat on them, but I think I would be safer with new linings. B The radiator has green residue along the lower portion (copper color), and the water level was empty except for a small amount of green stuff (antifreeze mostly, I guess). B Since the old water pump will not turn, I know I need a new water pump b will the stock Ford pump fit? B A little background on my Tiger MKII. I bought it new. I was in the Air Force in Omaha, Nebraska, and stopped in to price a station wagon while in Denver for a rifle competition. No station wagon, but I ordered a 289 Tiger. Picked it up a month later. It accompanied me to San Jose for IBM schooling for a couple of months, then back to Omaha for a couple more years. After that, we went to NJ where it lived (and died) for many years. I retired 8 years ago to a small town near Topeka, KS and dragged it with me on a trailer. It has been garaged since 1977. B Thanks, Carl _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 17:37:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF3442763 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:37:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892484273F for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:37:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id rp16so5587758pbb.14 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:35:41 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Vk0IHD/5LpTVll5L5p1OB8p815Tf11be7yyPVS5XB68=; b=pvq+wKjtnrlTqHI2+kEu1OohYgbxw1UQvt+tTJP0fHadXdP2ukuhFWzu1wNlWOs5bL f/8ql6K9W01+JBFNMN3kHXvDe5oTe7C1Smi0scZffUDo35h+8WuuBKVgKVCieZdNzbUY 03EMqHCw9P4YUTfaDWxY7F6i2ZHpyWiHNU5kE8KaDnvBz7qaeTVOEF5Snse2QnP0N8Cw e4RFNtQe05VNE9GjW3Ol41jFlZ3zPaq7QUga4T8gvzc4XtRB0EcdkNNPpMSoLrNJ/dp6 TjALBcI43JAutlirAWF6iPCTX1+Dg3EvHsm4rcboZ9OpxBWY7q9KE8VOBP/mvzfY+sQA 2B/g== cf5mr4926592pbc.173.1371684941007; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.69.10.161 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.69.10.161 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:35:40 -0700 (PDT) References: <1371683105.97212.YahooMailNeo@web142601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <019AF8B22FC64B4C91BD29BBDB4AACEF@ronpc1> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:35:40 -0400 From: Chip Broadbooks To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: Carl Halgren , tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hmmmmm...... Reminds me of the Tiger rules I have with my 12 y/o son: 1. Never, ever, discuss, talk about, brag, etc, whatever happens with the Kitty, in the Kitty, or around the Kitty. 2. Remember Rule #1. He hasn't seen "Fight Club" yet. On Jun 19, 2013 7:22 PM, "Ron Fraser" wrote: > Carl > This email based group can be very fast responding. Someone is > usually online most of the time. > > Sunbeam Rules of Engagement > > 1 - never, ever throw a part away or exchange a part from your Tiger - it > is > your only clue to what the correct part should be or looks like > > 2 - when you are about to throw that part away or exchange it refer to Rule > 1 > > The water pump is a stock Ford 289 cast iron water pump - the difference is > the position of the fan hub. > I would try to have the original water pump rebuilt but that is me. > > Most engine parts are stock Ford parts but there are also many unique to > Tiger parts too - another reason to never throw parts away. > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Carl Halgren > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:05 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage > > > Thanks for so much information. I am impressed with the > speed of these > responses. > B > I have several suggestions on soaking the pistons b Marvel Mystery oil, or > atf, or a 50/50 mix of atf and acetone, or diesel fuel. Decisions, > decisions. > B > This week I managed to free up the rusted right rear > brake. > I have ordered a pair of rear wheel cylinders from Classic Garage. I know > the transmission is in neutral because the un-rusted wheel turns freely > (sorta). I have 2 options b new brake shoes or have the old shoes relined. > The shoes have lots of meat on them, but I think I would be safer with new > linings. B > The radiator has green residue along the lower portion > (copper > color), and the water level was empty except for a small amount of green > stuff (antifreeze mostly, I guess). B > Since the old water pump will not turn, I > know I need a new > water pump b will the stock Ford pump fit? > B > A little > background on my Tiger MKII. > I bought it new. I was in the Air Force in Omaha, > Nebraska, > and stopped in to price a station wagon while in Denver for a rifle > competition. No station wagon, but I ordered a 289 Tiger. Picked it up a > month later. It accompanied me to San Jose for IBM schooling for a couple > of > months, then back to Omaha for a couple more years. After that, we went to > NJ where it lived (and died) for many years. I retired 8 years ago to a > small town near Topeka, KS and dragged it with me on a trailer. It has been > garaged since 1977. B > Thanks, > Carl > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/chip.broadbooks@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 17:41:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE0B42757 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:41:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f170.google.com (mail-ie0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574324273F for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:41:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id e11so15102934iej.1 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:39:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=NmxwN4vJlVPztjrK2DYRAl/iT/yBXPxB6pDUbEPIQ6o=; b=VfoJgl6bSiRQ4Gb8ybIcylWj34JKUQYMiogWvmpfKBmcIMlMqsOle2M7imOyoT+ttZ SYVTHcFPfijVbS7+UaJvXhSdGgBXVRZZTJUuOt3BRpl0ssWqLiRotbs9OmWMpYvfFbwh 0g0wloMIqfEVkTKi9VKbxAB8opxmlOieSYf5/jvpCct4NohfoPPE0ZggUl9kXbxV9OnG uESxwZrI8SdkzwoCfRkYgbGVjU1pE1sA435DckahU/wFz35U6+KBpjd9hriPDtmpg1Uh tDaTJ2GREIBXnLS7zGrvXx92pE0M9lm4az40Bg9P2zJ01hsIeYwgNqql3ggwsc8o1dFX FBDA== nm20mr2530749igb.109.1371685178714; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.108.6 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:39:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <1371683105.97212.YahooMailNeo@web142601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:39:38 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Carl Halgren Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I don't know if this is a sacrilegious thing to suggest. Given your history with the car, and its condition, it may also depend on what you want to do with it now. Do you want to get back to driving it to reclaim days gone by, or do you want to first enjoy the restoration process? If it is the former, perhaps consider buying a crate 289 and getting the appropriate new transmission to go with (I don't know all the issues with getting 6 bolt 289s and 6 bolt toploaders). Then, save the original engine and tranny for your kids to deal with should they want pure originality. Just a thought. I personally would probably not go that route. But, I enjoy working on these - to an extent. I get VERY frustrated with parts that won't come off without breaking a bolt, hard to find parts, and parts that don't fit when they arrive. Some people love chasing down the "right" part. Yeah, that's not me. Though I do love putting on the right part and making this work. So, I'm just making this suggestion because everyone is different. Jay On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Carl Halgren wrote: > Thanks for so much information. I am impressed with the > speed of these > responses. > B > I have several suggestions on soaking the pistons b Marvel > Mystery oil, or atf, or a 50/50 mix of atf and acetone, or diesel fuel. > Decisions, > decisions. > B > This week I managed to free up the rusted right rear > brake. > I have ordered a pair of rear wheel cylinders from Classic Garage. I > know the > transmission is in neutral because the un-rusted wheel turns freely > (sorta). I > have 2 options b new brake shoes or have the old shoes relined. > The shoes have > lots of meat on them, but I think I would be safer with new > linings. > B > The radiator has green residue along the lower portion > (copper > color), and the water level was empty except for a small amount of > green stuff > (antifreeze mostly, I guess). > B > Since the old water pump will not turn, I > know I need a new > water pump b will the stock Ford pump fit? > B > A little > background on my Tiger MKII. > I bought it new. I was in the Air Force in Omaha, > Nebraska, > and stopped in to price a station wagon while in Denver for a rifle > competition. No station wagon, but I ordered a 289 Tiger. Picked it up a > month > later. It accompanied me to San Jose for IBM schooling for a couple of > months, > then back to Omaha for a couple more years. After that, we went to NJ > where it > lived (and died) for many years. I retired 8 years ago to a small town near > Topeka, KS and dragged it with me on a trailer. It has been garaged since > 1977. > B > Thanks, > Carl > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 17:48:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F834275E for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:48:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AEF34273F for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:42:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B78687008F2DF for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfd003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.120.75]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 81FB7E000088 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:41:18 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:41:18 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371685278; bh=MQHHy/c4rNQpMpOQynmZV8WzGpBaBnwSgMY6uR5ArUY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=m11ZzwkbAWzhlpSxKIJZMukfVSPR/Btcki3hm5BbIm9+QTPdvGWTkRS8BziTFXCMX tcuTbv8dlReL09saxjRWOlm1b+GX1A6eWmCj9w4RHHxz/9YVjfS5VTtq0iRLXLpPyl wMxPLtPPu1YiSiQdnibYyPOg+umsC0hNB29Y5bfw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c51c2419e6bd5 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Rule 3 Have a big fat wallet. In a message dated 6/19/2013 4:36:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, chip.broadbooks@gmail.com writes: Hmmmmm...... Reminds me of the Tiger rules I have with my 12 y/o son: 1. Never, ever, discuss, talk about, brag, etc, whatever happens with the Kitty, in the Kitty, or around the Kitty. 2. Remember Rule #1. He hasn't seen "Fight Club" yet. On Jun 19, 2013 7:22 PM, "Ron Fraser" wrote: > Carl > This email based group can be very fast responding. Someone is > usually online most of the time. > > Sunbeam Rules of Engagement > > 1 - never, ever throw a part away or exchange a part from your Tiger - it > is > your only clue to what the correct part should be or looks like > > 2 - when you are about to throw that part away or exchange it refer to Rule > 1 > > The water pump is a stock Ford 289 cast iron water pump - the difference is > the position of the fan hub. > I would try to have the original water pump rebuilt but that is me. > > Most engine parts are stock Ford parts but there are also many unique to > Tiger parts too - another reason to never throw parts away. > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Carl Halgren > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:05 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage > > > Thanks for so much information. I am impressed with the > speed of these > responses. > B > I have several suggestions on soaking the pistons b Marvel Mystery oil, or > atf, or a 50/50 mix of atf and acetone, or diesel fuel. Decisions, > decisions. > B > This week I managed to free up the rusted right rear > brake. > I have ordered a pair of rear wheel cylinders from Classic Garage. I know > the transmission is in neutral because the un-rusted wheel turns freely > (sorta). I have 2 options b new brake shoes or have the old shoes relined. > The shoes have lots of meat on them, but I think I would be safer with new > linings. B > The radiator has green residue along the lower portion > (copper > color), and the water level was empty except for a small amount of green > stuff (antifreeze mostly, I guess). B > Since the old water pump will not turn, I > know I need a new > water pump b will the stock Ford pump fit? > B > A little > background on my Tiger MKII. > I bought it new. I was in the Air Force in Omaha, > Nebraska, > and stopped in to price a station wagon while in Denver for a rifle > competition. No station wagon, but I ordered a 289 Tiger. Picked it up a > month later. It accompanied me to San Jose for IBM schooling for a couple > of > months, then back to Omaha for a couple more years. After that, we went to > NJ where it lived (and died) for many years. I retired 8 years ago to a > small town near Topeka, KS and dragged it with me on a trailer. It has been > garaged since 1977. B > Thanks, > Carl > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/chip.broadbooks@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 17:53:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7360B4277B for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:53:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f46.google.com (mail-pb0-f46.google.com [209.85.160.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9388942749 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:53:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id rq2so5604044pbb.19 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:52:09 -0700 (PDT) h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=+febG5oRJUkKhiQo9UCuIiKpOABAoTiNp5c3p3yXplA=; b=uS3Wi0vz2AqEwg2OzLd/kE7xU00HeeHQ/LJl3RZfPouMyfuqCF6vV0jPY94llevKt7 ytigroOr4EXyxxsPynvUAAuCALh3n5ccnxjujaI4MIIoZ01zE2018d/n4G6e6NO2C9g8 mJWWJ6JrDTgVb1gagu6G9JtUKoM2NTfp6dlUHqlm83qUs14CKkle3qtjz4kUH+8a3jof zLfNzvkWuvT1wJxHGa6s2CDegSklSPCw9SnfP8/9PaTBdG6a1IHbbACtTrQBhzBIc7vd dc1QcXlWt9IkCHMoBKZkt3CLqAIBviYFsjK2eQz6lcUDpOHoFmchly9bslT1znI8+vLJ az6w== py12mr8835520pab.192.1371685928958; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:52:08 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Chip Broadbooks Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:52:12 -0400 To: "AAAGLASSS@aol.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Bribery doesn't work with Cops or Kids..... Kind of works with the Insurance companies. Just turns into extortion. Legally. Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:47 PM, "AAAGLASSS@aol.com" wrote: > Rule 3 Have a big fat wallet. > > > In a message dated 6/19/2013 4:36:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > chip.broadbooks@gmail.com writes: > > Hmmmmm...... > Reminds me of the Tiger rules I have with my 12 y/o son: > > 1. Never, ever, discuss, talk about, brag, etc, whatever happens with the > Kitty, in the Kitty, or around the Kitty. > > 2. Remember Rule #1. > > He hasn't seen "Fight Club" yet. > On Jun 19, 2013 7:22 PM, "Ron Fraser" wrote: > >> Carl >> This email based group can be very fast responding. Someone is >> usually online most of the time. >> >> Sunbeam Rules of Engagement >> >> 1 - never, ever throw a part away or exchange a part from your Tiger - it >> is >> your only clue to what the correct part should be or looks like >> >> 2 - when you are about to throw that part away or exchange it refer to > Rule >> 1 >> >> The water pump is a stock Ford 289 cast iron water pump - the difference > is >> the position of the fan hub. >> I would try to have the original water pump rebuilt but that is me. >> >> Most engine parts are stock Ford parts but there are also many unique to >> Tiger parts too - another reason to never throw parts away. >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Carl Halgren >> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:05 PM >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage >> >> >> Thanks for so much information. I am impressed with the >> speed of these >> responses. >> B >> I have several suggestions on soaking the pistons b Marvel Mystery oil, > or >> atf, or a 50/50 mix of atf and acetone, or diesel fuel. Decisions, >> decisions. >> B >> This week I managed to free up the rusted right rear >> brake. >> I have ordered a pair of rear wheel cylinders from Classic Garage. I know >> the transmission is in neutral because the un-rusted wheel turns freely >> (sorta). I have 2 options b new brake shoes or have the old shoes > relined. >> The shoes have lots of meat on them, but I think I would be safer with > new >> linings. B >> The radiator has green residue along the lower portion >> (copper >> color), and the water level was empty except for a small amount of green >> stuff (antifreeze mostly, I guess). B >> Since the old water pump will not turn, I >> know I need a new >> water pump b will the stock Ford pump fit? >> B >> A little >> background on my Tiger MKII. >> I bought it new. I was in the Air Force in Omaha, >> Nebraska, >> and stopped in to price a station wagon while in Denver for a rifle >> competition. No station wagon, but I ordered a 289 Tiger. Picked it up a >> month later. It accompanied me to San Jose for IBM schooling for a couple >> of >> months, then back to Omaha for a couple more years. After that, we went > to >> NJ where it lived (and died) for many years. I retired 8 years ago to a >> small town near Topeka, KS and dragged it with me on a trailer. It has > been >> garaged since 1977. B >> Thanks, >> Carl >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/chip.broadbooks@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/chip.broadbooks@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 18:21:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7954274C for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:21:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8942642749 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:21:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB81A0E6B for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:22:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:22:26 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" References: <-5552771236524796939@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >> This email based group can be very fast responding. Someone is >> usually online most of the time. >> >> In general, yes. Last weekend a Triumph owner had broken down and was hoping for some help, but I was having some serious networking problems at the time, and it was 16 hours before his message hit the proper lists. But the network is doing okay this week, thanks to the purchase of some new hardware, glad to know it was worth it. Old school technology, but lots of people like it this way, and as long as I keep getting a few dollars donated during the spring fund drive I'll keep it going as best I can. mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 20:44:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1064275C for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:44:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192D642706 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:43:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id e15so4322815vbg.3 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:42:27 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=5SVOvu/BllUfRWxp6u/Ql0D4cq+wcOc15deV+qkM6Kk=; b=AgmRxLZEiWcmu8hDH6Pst9DIb08Txc3yLU+qM1e5ogFAbehxNsGfZdjIK4/lFUYjA2 a9dbJGX4tWr6AIUj1IYtAXDw6v8dUGh0G5W2Aw3LDM810jhQBtRA+n0xVI5K/JRSRFPo JHivTkk3f9zIAJkdrIMyfyRY7EVfnmN0HsQhRHWSTWKbQ6ky8YxfQHuHQ4cOtMiZLjrO L78kBSugf89Pt/1azLBMgqdkot0hAsjqPRNZCnCDWa17xcEFhkfRXKjot6vL3mX0SQoG KCs3mc1Gh6GDg8Uld+1MHX4gdArQewqbYpOpmA1SelYWBQfsEi4i4lwoKw2XcRPJ3M/l WdkA== y20mr1676708vdt.15.1371696147187; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Dell670 (108-82-253-88.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net. [108.82.253.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bk7sm11246908ved.0.2013.06.19.19.42.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:42:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert D. Hogan" To: Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:42:47 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5tX9k3c5bOBsp4Rxa1OWlJOFNlDw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Stopping Distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In the process of scanning some Classic Motorsports articles on a Tiger restoration, I noticed the author referring to the improved stopping distance of the project Tiger as 150 feet from 60 to 0 mph after installation of the Wilwood Engineering brake kit. Even the 124 foot 60-0 stopping distance of a heavier Nissan Sentra in a Motor trend test, as the worst in its class, performs better than the quoted Tiger result. I have yet to research the details or what tires, temperatures, surface conditions or measurement accuracies were involved in the article's number. Could anyone shed some light on whether Tiger stopping distance data exists elsewhere in the plethora of recorded Tiger documents? The importance is that a $1200+ Wilwood front brake kit addition hardly seems worthwhile if the stopping performance isn't more remarkably improved than hauling a 2560 Lb. SunbeamTiger down from 60 mph in under 120 feet much less 150. Rob ..1560 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 20:44:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C988D42752 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:44:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACD842763 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:44:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 16F157007F157 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlc005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.211]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E6F9BE000088 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:42:38 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:42:38 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371696159; bh=YYB6C46pdYSTd+7Tss3ECaQXnIsEugGegsXgrvCiH6I=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sA98kMyOz4h+sb2f9TdFkqvB0gsdfxsrXNGxyr6h9STKPe9KTvMtYYrd6pzbDQQVj BzZTS6ApfXvD048wTF4t8LAg8IyFSkbzc+zYe8ysJvwnGSJfY+HxtBHxj/dwo/uEv8 aRTSq+Ua7OYdxCFDYniNEPRktuDUuh/Q0JmIBRu8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d51c26c1e34b4 Subject: [Tigers] Hood release Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Okay, a question/survey.............some cars came with a cable to release the hood and others with a rod. I have heard that the MK1's came with a rod and everything after came with a cable. When I got my MK1A over 20 yrs. ago it came with a rod. It's hard to believe that the cable had been switched for a rod because just about nothing on the car had been changed. It was as original as you could find. On Ebay there is a rod for sale that is claimed to come from a MK1A..... Item #251292299850 . So, the question is, did anyone else have an original MK 1A or MK11 that came with a rod rather than a cable? Mark L _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 20:46:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91E742756 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:46:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D62442706 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:46:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Cobra (173-228-106-127.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.106.127]) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with SMTP id r5K2jH3w007565; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:45:18 -0700 From: "csx2282" To: References: Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:45:13 -0700 Cc: cghalgren@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Let me bore everyone with my opinion on 289 water pumps. The original pumps, or at least the aluminum one I have, came with cast metal impellers. The replacements currently available have stamped sheet metal impellers. Maybe okay for a stock, street 289, but not so good for a HiPo or a motor with a bit of tuning. I recommend getting your original pump rebuilt using the cast impeller rather than buying one of these newer replacements. I found a local auto parts store willing to take this on for me (A & M Motor Supply, Los Gatos, CA). You might want to check around for someone in your area willing to rebuild yours. Roland ------------------------------ > From: Carl Halgren > > SNIPPED > Since the old water pump will not turn, I > know I need a new > water pump b will the stock Ford pump fit? > SNIPPED > Thanks, > Carl _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 20:55:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45E84056E for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:55:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B061D4056E for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:55:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 558E270000096; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mla002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.80]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2BA78E000081; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:53:58 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:53:58 -0400 (EDT) To: robertdhogan@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371696838; bh=+w8PEY7EXRRSt1feW1tbEMYVNIGWVKnarhqlPmiF7uo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=m2b2GBPfFpNwgi1dPsG5GdFfsFjnaMHELg/DgCviYJaWcjfmJN5jep42WnrwLQ0Yz ArfZvwPQA2yT0zKkqMVeTGAw37AeujsVqznUXEZjWJzTAhr0PSV71ohqcW6e1udoZI mqsNz9tmq2mQrnHgXf0GbdNJo87mXJTxAtxXVGFc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e51c26ec60a2e Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I think you hit on the key: tires. Whether oem front caliper/rotor or aftermarket, generating enough clamping force to exceed mechanical grip is not a problem. I would guess the kit used included a proportioning valve, to allow better balance, and perhaps had better modulation which is where any improvement in stopping distance likely was found. In a message dated 6/19/2013 7:43:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, robertdhogan@gmail.com writes: In the process of scanning some Classic Motorsports articles on a Tiger restoration, I noticed the author referring to the improved stopping distance of the project Tiger as 150 feet from 60 to 0 mph after installation of the Wilwood Engineering brake kit. Even the 124 foot 60-0 stopping distance of a heavier Nissan Sentra in a Motor trend test, as the worst in its class, performs better than the quoted Tiger result. I have yet to research the details or what tires, temperatures, surface conditions or measurement accuracies were involved in the article's number. Could anyone shed some light on whether Tiger stopping distance data exists elsewhere in the plethora of recorded Tiger documents? The importance is that a $1200+ Wilwood front brake kit addition hardly seems worthwhile if the stopping performance isn't more remarkably improved than hauling a 2560 Lb. SunbeamTiger down from 60 mph in under 120 feet much less 150. Rob ..1560 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 21:00:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1278B4275B for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E78426C2 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:00:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qSAb1l0030vyq2s57SyoEY; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 02:58:48 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qSyo1l00a0fu9Ni3RSyost; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 02:58:48 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: , References: <897e8.116228b4.3ef3c61e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:58:51 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1371697128; bh=gCc9+KudcBDGbwMB+oIxjejlmuyUd6MHq422/kevj7U=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=J944Bk2JumMnQyTWto18rq321Vwcb+r045Fj7O/3lxILCV4es9s+YXxDUXr4SgZyW Vjo5gGW+IIUxWjjqnZ5r5P/EkaxuhvSXtV7HtXaqA9+cNmJnKMtvTuaofb/v6MFEqb UQd/nCpAYqyNaLE6mBIcTbwh19bjDq3cbJhHV51g24XS+Esnq6NJfIuRpjhKUv3o2b n/iX/4FQjyKpylf4aXU2NuuFa06SQOSTn4c8Hbh9qk0aTyZcPyvXuV2z57OB6A+Fsr 5+H1hEQhabSZN4cDHAsMbqyLwmt0l6IOAB8PdbMFTvi4qwF9J5QKF9HusIsIbGG40r 9IyDVZURE192Q== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood release Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My Mk1A, assembled sometime in the late summer of '66, has a rod release... because I installed it. I'd heard the horror stories about breaking cables, so at a United parts swap I saw a rod type release just laying there on a table, waiting for me. A few bucks later, I found it bolted right in, no mods required. So maybe somebody else did the same thing, and that's where it came from. Stu -----Original Message----- From: CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:42 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Hood release Okay, a question/survey.............some cars came with a cable to release the hood and others with a rod. I have heard that the MK1's came with a rod and everything after came with a cable. When I got my MK1A over 20 yrs. ago it came with a rod. It's hard to believe that the cable had been switched for a rod because just about nothing on the car had been changed. It was as original as you could find. On Ebay there is a rod for sale that is claimed to come from a MK1A..... Item #251292299850 . So, the question is, did anyone else have an original MK 1A or MK11 that came with a rod rather than a cable? Mark L _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stubrennan@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 21:23:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BB24275B for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:23:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f178.google.com (mail-ve0-f178.google.com [209.85.128.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D7F42712 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:18:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f178.google.com with SMTP id pb11so4645707veb.37 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:17:07 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=mIir+c0ZwPM/6Nwm7vq77/jrIpgnDtr8BH6dwOuUgO8=; b=bTuY10cbKMqbpLWQB+D0GIuU6mikoN8RWe1UceDgZG2uXKdr6TOptstOOL0DZuCsvw Y3v3ZeB+y9rO2+wdHQ6EEF4y/J6Zfs1coWjQKvYr1YCqvvdlZnbgAfsuXIpfOR/WWb2m GCkjMTNcBrB5CUv68dzVrw76WoCRRpPd8YiE8eS3gUjOdwzfdzMo/v/nmbxWW/o4l1y2 4TEM/3lPmRhh06DNk0WVWSkT81KrcVtlsFnL+sf21Qy9GjxmhSSW4sfA040nvKYtR+H+ D+Cyrt9/Jf14eQ4740O7Y6TolFKNcPWkqHEmhRSAlOcSHsGZL2vyu/2dmNZoCfC/DC9x yy9w== lr17mr1634726vdb.100.1371698226913; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Dell670 (108-82-253-88.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net. [108.82.253.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l5sm11403210vev.1.2013.06.19.20.17.06 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:17:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert D. Hogan" To: References: <10f779.16fb075e.3ef3c8c6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:17:27 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5tYWjtmS3+91OgQSm5eyK7IMvqvwAAdw4Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In a later article (#12 of the Flying Tiger by Tim Suddard) on Strengthening and Upgrading Our sunbeam Tiger's Chassis, the author refers to using 195/55R15 Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec tires. Whether those were the same tires quoted as stopping in 160 feet (nee the 150 of expected improvements with biasing) is to be determined. These tires would seemingly not be accountable for such poor stopping performance unless I error in the assumption of a compound not within the extreme of highest mileage and low adhesion. Rob From: MWood24020@aol.com [mailto:MWood24020@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:54 PM To: robertdhogan@gmail.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance I think you hit on the key: tires. Whether oem front caliper/rotor or aftermarket, generating enough clamping force to exceed mechanical grip is not a problem. I would guess the kit used included a proportioning valve, to allow better balance, and perhaps had better modulation which is where any improvement in stopping distance likely was found. In a message dated 6/19/2013 7:43:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, robertdhogan@gmail.com writes: In the process of scanning some Classic Motorsports articles on a Tiger restoration, I noticed the author referring to the improved stopping distance of the project Tiger as 150 feet from 60 to 0 mph after installation of the Wilwood Engineering brake kit. Even the 124 foot 60-0 stopping distance of a heavier Nissan Sentra in a Motor trend test, as the worst in its class, performs better than the quoted Tiger result. I have yet to research the details or what tires, temperatures, surface conditions or measurement accuracies were involved in the article's number. Could anyone shed some light on whether Tiger stopping distance data exists elsewhere in the plethora of recorded Tiger documents? The importance is that a $1200+ Wilwood front brake kit addition hardly seems worthwhile if the stopping performance isn't more remarkably improved than hauling a 2560 Lb. SunbeamTiger down from 60 mph in under 120 feet much less 150. Rob ..1560 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 21:54:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC594275E for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AB54056E for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:52:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0639A700000A3; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mla002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.80]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B3C05E000082; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:51:29 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:51:29 -0400 (EDT) To: robertdhogan@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371700289; bh=7lVRdYL8Pm5FEObv8v6OBOOQ3BiQ8bKG2hXnj3Lgmmw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L2CNABoMIVGZ80oyFxW061YO57umPqE8aMYECmb6CCb5s4wcSs9hZygoQriBz39rf gZ190y/cxB82cSvV+fK1iciFUg2/zCHGlF9ZH+p0WberiLORvNheglQTM83WA1/zWn l4QSpjpIW2G8nwJx+PGaWnwY4b8+Svb3XbcT8yr0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d51c27c412777 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Not a tire issue, then, as the Z1 Star Spec was right at the top of ultra high performance street tire category (since replaced with the Z2, which is even better). The next thing I think about is suspension geometry, wheel rates and anti-dive...I forget what Tim did with that car, did it also have a torque arm? ;-) In a message dated 6/19/2013 8:17:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, robertdhogan@gmail.com writes: In a later article (#12 of the Flying Tiger by Tim Suddard) on Strengthening and Upgrading Our sunbeam Tigerbs Chassis, the author refers to using 195/55R15 Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec tires. Whether those were the same tires quoted as stopping in 160 feet (nee the 150 of expected improvements with biasing) is to be determined. These tires would seemingly not be accountable for such poor stopping performance unless I error in the assumption of a compound not within the extreme of highest mileage and low adhesion. Rob From: MWood24020@aol.com [mailto:MWood24020@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:54 PM To: robertdhogan@gmail.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance I think you hit on the key: tires. Whether oem front caliper/rotor or aftermarket, generating enough clamping force to exceed mechanical grip is not a problem. I would guess the kit used included a proportioning valve, to allow better balance, and perhaps had better modulation which is where any improvement in stopping distance likely was found. In a message dated 6/19/2013 7:43:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _robertdhogan@gmail.com_ (mailto:robertdhogan@gmail.com) writes: In the process of scanning some Classic Motorsports articles on a Tiger restoration, I noticed the author referring to the improved stopping distance of the project Tiger as 150 feet from 60 to 0 mph after installation of the Wilwood Engineering brake kit. Even the 124 foot 60-0 stopping distance of a heavier Nissan Sentra in a Motor trend test, as the worst in its class, performs better than the quoted Tiger result. I have yet to research the details or what tires, temperatures, surface conditions or measurement accuracies were involved in the article's number. Could anyone shed some light on whether Tiger stopping distance data exists elsewhere in the plethora of recorded Tiger documents? The importance is that a $1200+ Wilwood front brake kit addition hardly seems worthwhile if the stopping performance isn't more remarkably improved than hauling a 2560 Lb. SunbeamTiger down from 60 mph in under 120 feet much less 150. Rob ..1560 _______________________________________________ _tigers@autox.team.net_ (mailto:tigers@autox.team.net) Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 22:27:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC294272F for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:27:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D148542711 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:27:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id ia10so4391602vcb.14 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:26:02 -0700 (PDT) h=return-receipt-to:from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=kbHkmW7DRh1G9jmtjfiAwJgqQOJIvartokkIse1Xhi0=; b=Z7rF+scVgd0m93xrYbUujQEl/CG0ryYog9C4L9m/NM3zgYU70L6vBalEN0A8t2pq5r P6Mx7gL4D/eBRt9kdrD9uKybs3CVAdrMCdArIrd2RFCbV/E5FO9DtkQcNGUDukO0Za7q D2vispFj7E24axXzMtuOd4GVutH/lWK9JBE/GsPdrNxAllLEYGyjP6TiFDuzz+bAcxmj ja7vjj00+pSh2yagfpZMGsnSjNwt5rHcA5bgu0npcSei8pbv6lfy39CnVCiUBEV13pO3 sDdDJwgn8m1qhRl037U/txHpzMIJDHGgAmCA/3/u5xIak/psB3DwywAz4nOss5WUUln7 BNiQ== Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Dell670 (108-82-253-88.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net. [108.82.253.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id sr7sm11885974vdc.2.2013.06.19.21.26.00 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:26:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert D. Hogan" To: References: <10c2bb.da34318.3ef3d641@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:26:39 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5taXMTtUT3gyjIQVS76cLwD8YpVQAAtJiw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have not read that a torque arm or traction master kit was used on the rear suspension. Paragraphs following the braking performance indicate higher rate front springs and Dalebs Restorations thicker rear springs were later elected to improve on track performance. In doing a cursory internet search, the complexity of the braking performance questions are revealed regarding decision lag time, braking g levels and other variables in quoted performance. Certainly the Car & Driver, Road & Track and Motor Trend magazinesb tested braking performance figures must have a standard for correlation. One internet blog description provided the following data: Some 60-0 braking times in a past issue of Road & Track (April 2013). If you are thinking of some particular cars I could look them up for you if they're in there. Here are a few popular models: Subaru Impreza WRX STi Limited 119' Volkswagen Golf R 130' Toyota Prius C 128' Subaru BRZ Premium 128' Mitsubishi Lancer EVO GSR 123' Mini Cooper S 119' Mazda 3i Touring 135' Kia Optima Turbo 135' Ferrari 458 Italia 106' Corvette ZR1 105' BMW 328i Sedan 123' Chrysler 300S 129' June 2013 Motor Trend: Dodge Viper 94' Ibve directed my question of comparable results directly to Wilwood Engineering: Does Wilwood have any comparable stopping distance information of a Sunbeam Tiger OEM stock Disc/Drum brake system performance and the Wilwood brake kit performance? A Classic Motorsports article on a Sunbeam Tiger referred to the improved stopping distance of the project Tiger as 160 feet from 60 to 0 mph after installation of the Wilwood Engineering brake kit. The 160 foot stopping distance would seem to be an abysmal number in comparison to most compact sedans' current 115 to 125 foot stopping distances. From: MWood24020@aol.com [mailto:MWood24020@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:51 PM To: robertdhogan@gmail.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance Not a tire issue, then, as the Z1 Star Spec was right at the top of ultra high performance street tire category (since replaced with the Z2, which is even better). The next thing I think about is suspension geometry, wheel rates and anti-dive...I forget what Tim did with that car, did it also have a torque arm? ;-) In a message dated 6/19/2013 8:17:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, robertdhogan@gmail.com writes: In a later article (#12 of the Flying Tiger by Tim Suddard) on Strengthening and Upgrading Our sunbeam Tigerbs Chassis, the author refers to using 195/55R15 Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec tires. Whether those were the same tires quoted as stopping in 160 feet (nee the 150 of expected improvements with biasing) is to be determined. These tires would seemingly not be accountable for such poor stopping performance unless I error in the assumption of a compound not within the extreme of highest mileage and low adhesion. Rob From: MWood24020@aol.com [mailto:MWood24020@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:54 PM To: robertdhogan@gmail.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance I think you hit on the key: tires. Whether oem front caliper/rotor or aftermarket, generating enough clamping force to exceed mechanical grip is not a problem. I would guess the kit used included a proportioning valve, to allow better balance, and perhaps had better modulation which is where any improvement in stopping distance likely was found. In a message dated 6/19/2013 7:43:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, robertdhogan@gmail.com writes: In the process of scanning some Classic Motorsports articles on a Tiger restoration, I noticed the author referring to the improved stopping distance of the project Tiger as 150 feet from 60 to 0 mph after installation of the Wilwood Engineering brake kit. Even the 124 foot 60-0 stopping distance of a heavier Nissan Sentra in a Motor trend test, as the worst in its class, performs better than the quoted Tiger result. I have yet to research the details or what tires, temperatures, surface conditions or measurement accuracies were involved in the article's number. Could anyone shed some light on whether Tiger stopping distance data exists elsewhere in the plethora of recorded Tiger documents? The importance is that a $1200+ Wilwood front brake kit addition hardly seems worthwhile if the stopping performance isn't more remarkably improved than hauling a 2560 Lb. SunbeamTiger down from 60 mph in under 120 feet much less 150. Rob ..1560 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 22:48:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA574275D for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:48:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com (mail-vc0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB5342706 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:48:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hv10so4342739vcb.8 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:46:52 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=EDsq6EMSmIWc7gevsrsQBwk5steEwf01ssSCjXDyhQ8=; b=DTD9njqqM+bRcNHhfzFNaK3mYGtZGr43N/Y/2Dcn52/mCwU2Nbkp4qdKB8YjzV19AE WIr/X+Rjulwg/7nAN7nVPYc3o3eh9cBmQg+9ztveiAU1VhqhW1nXefhqGijozKDNm7XC 69NxdknwTicc7TLoyYii7CrcDOJdMmSUQWUtGuKNHRcgw+rnKuEIcZuXC8FqvfI/74ur m/6Vj+YPBUxZIdk88LcQZ0lOJakjgHvN/g+rxbk4v02YNL3my0BkdmownovHLsbuF027 ZOwKN7Hh3XNwBFZ8Y9nDRdpOVwOR4GjjXGmuh7OyBuraP5Ep1N7RvhdRoDHWycT1tLHD zoLA== tt15mr2097890vec.56.1371703612348; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Dell670 (108-82-253-88.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net. [108.82.253.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id at19sm12023735vdc.10.2013.06.19.21.46.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:46:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert D. Hogan" To: Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:47:35 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5tcUhSGAWhf2VUSseuJshsh8LV5Q== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Regardless of anti-lock or not, the point is what was the stopping distance of a Tiger's stock braking system and how much was that stopping distance reduced by adding a $1200+ Wilwood front braking kit? Secondarily, how does the Wilwood equipped Tiger compare in stopping performance to more modern vehicles if the same measurement criteria are applied? -----Original Message----- From: jay.laifman@gmail.com [mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:29 AM To: Robert D. Hogan; tigers-bounces@autox.team.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance Maybe I missed it. But these cars all have anti lock brakes. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 22:55:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B73742756 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:55:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f51.google.com (mail-pa0-f51.google.com [209.85.220.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B804242711 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:53:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id lf11so5883030pab.38 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:52:12 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=vRO96OfOxT+5Zw0hUE1K/uObgPUkFqtb5C86gPHl5rU=; b=GagqXCfPSatmUj3R+BU50dgZurAXca9gLoEV7X1mKGAim9A1u5KQ8/1q1eg2z3el8Z nV+tEhyrVXawEKGRArJES9WAmavP77rUP3C3i8Qtd20C2kGL4QFKLH2UNXya2ZCfIv+k 4M+yOhzQZMvHWv0KTpMHne9NW5lnhN3FdHYn7vkatuA4qhrD/TxQ+W5tNLgwMR19+eAr rL7Ewyqzq8q4I2vFuKFKQEzAxcGkhDCCCLaMXtngo5GuSJdANabEzP7l+FGIscbSwQR1 Ul0Ykn4/vRvmavT3oyG1xJmB8o+A9PgH2Tu8vbXF35y4+RgvhbTqNV2R6L3Lz6Xu7+rM 42mg== zn3mr5832080pbb.216.1371703931914; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bs2sm27892328pad.17.2013.06.19.21.52.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:52:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:52:07 -0700 To: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: [Tigers] Bizarre Running Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, this one doesn't strike a chord with me from hearing similar stuff before. As before, I recently rebuilt the Holley. I had an issue with no running below 2,000 rpm. I raised the front float level, adjusted the idle screws and the idle and all was good. I went on a number of drives and it seemed fine. But today, when driving to work, it still ran fine, until about 45 minutes into the drive - long after the temp gauge was already reading normal operating temp. Then it would die when I came to idle. I looked on line and it suggested a vacuum leak or the float was too high. But no vacuum line is remotely loose and I would think this would show its head earlier in the drive. Then on the way home, I hit terrible terrible traffic. It was mostly idle for a long time, then inch forward. But, still the car was fine. It held temp just fine, and idle. Then some time about 45-60 minutes into this 2 hour drive, it started stalling again if I went down to idle. And now the engine ran a bit rough below 2,000 rpm. Not bad like before I adjusted the float. But not good either. At every stop, even the last stop before my house, it would stall unless I was able to catch it and lightly rev the engine to keep it going. Note that it would stall EVEN IF I didn't hit the brakes or slow down. It was not servo/braking/change of angle/fuel sloshing related. I could be driving along and press in the clutch, lift my foot off the gas, and it would drop to 0 rpm and stall. Then I got home, pulled up to the house, and fully expected it to stall again. Now it didn't stall and it seemed to be smooth again. My thought was that there is something wrong with that front float. Like perhaps something causes it to expand and it is sticking, or some other bizarre thing. But that doesn't fully explain the behavior. Because the front float didn't match the rear one, and it is adjusting oddly (because it has to be lifted quite a bit off of horizontal to run right), I think I'm going to order the newer float and install it and see what happens. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 22:55:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B714274C for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:55:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com (mail-pa0-f42.google.com [209.85.220.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B3142711 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:54:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id rl6so5902006pac.1 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:52:42 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=4NDqMgKPSB7S4peIiSDDAxWKqMmFXSF3B1JQ2IycqJw=; b=uQnnY1EgPYOBIqZEKD99qkink/3+WnQSeGLSr5RLxN0xHor+vPgQjSdsqZ/aKBxsB3 x8bmn7vyqwsouRBKhE/TBYfo/EdBBiny5DwjaUCcyo+eqPByIX1Mjp6kdtgbVPVCcaxd GGYAqytjINsU2kT9BUEIsiQpEaB2xcJpm0RcAdy0KTFg9twH+sVLf/5KQKbGyt8JG6z7 uqCVxrcYTpJB9AucfgNy3lQTEQ9oAOMYTsrmUwzesZ8dnL2WmmWAv6M2yVKQPGPoZLoU /AfCU0CqGm1fgt9hRU+BFoaK/otAB0kd49W+iUnFtCmugOxpx43XY747PUb1Fa43u8sv me9A== p10mr5888629pbo.92.1371703962889; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bs2sm27892328pad.17.2013.06.19.21.52.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:52:40 -0700 References: <006501ce6d71$49130b80$db392280$@com> To: "Robert D. Hogan" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ah. I thought with all the cars listed, that there was some comparison between what the Tiger could do and other cars. On Jun 19, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Robert D. Hogan wrote: > Regardless of anti-lock or not, the point is what was the stopping distance > of a Tiger's stock braking system and how much was that stopping distance > reduced by adding a $1200+ Wilwood front braking kit? > > Secondarily, how does the Wilwood equipped Tiger compare in stopping > performance to more modern vehicles if the same measurement criteria are > applied? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jay.laifman@gmail.com [mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:29 AM > > To: Robert D. Hogan; tigers-bounces@autox.team.net; tigers@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance > > > > Maybe I missed it. But these cars all have anti lock brakes. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 22:56:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B92842771 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:56:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD7042750 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AEC6270036224; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mla002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.80]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7BA66E000082; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:54:09 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:54:09 -0400 (EDT) To: robertdhogan@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371704049; bh=SkD20w47rcHnpEo4JDrGHG87JFaDg2PBZeC+pnl40Fw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yrxhplLYmfO90oLuRutUO5lby4cXvHKC4VplMFWUQpH6Bip1Tllv8YCWiV3AzYRQj gKBNndkXZBMByAzsyVph/+9TUVUnIh3m8seu2038Woq54bbqbkjTv+Acuc/Uszo1zY VkwDt95NKIWi0YTX5IoKwbYWvjGBJ9aT/XjH1fSs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca51c28af12a04 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ABS. all other things being equal, doesn't equate to shorter braking distances...supposing the driver can maintain threshold braking without incurring lock up in a non-ABS car. In a message dated 6/19/2013 9:47:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, robertdhogan@gmail.com writes: Regardless of anti-lock or not, the point is what was the stopping distance of a Tiger's stock braking system and how much was that stopping distance reduced by adding a $1200+ Wilwood front braking kit? Secondarily, how does the Wilwood equipped Tiger compare in stopping performance to more modern vehicles if the same measurement criteria are applied? -----Original Message----- From: jay.laifman@gmail.com [mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:29 AM To: Robert D. Hogan; tigers-bounces@autox.team.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance Maybe I missed it. But these cars all have anti lock brakes. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 22:57:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62FB42765 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:57:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f181.google.com (mail-pd0-f181.google.com [209.85.192.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFA942706 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:57:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 14so5776734pdj.26 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:56:07 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=k5p6n3uhex5f881B+qkBtvPq/HIP096h+EjjxMqD2jM=; b=FSzvknxac4kVJfWyzvFt2bfmmTznoV1KQwFC+AXCVhuxzptSVobCJdT3HWU4mefBik 9DiHVgEbFOqi+45zgb8gsM/qrZZ2zF9hwhzHxj5aqs9FF43oN+MKTFtman9IFUBFRiu5 ljQ8zHdl+F+n74Gyq5BLir6xngiKvMfFtCHrxUJMAsBJpL/DvtX4nksv9RS6uZ8ret7W vPolUyuK0KvqpRl0oRBc09Py+HE7cJW3zPTlAVSkKqsOlo1JmsUyfvr/VrVMmcztITHU /joJQA5OO/YDeHevg3Hl3KwGlqNI7iF4vyPGNkE77YqmNWI2v0eYKGbFhK297Fn/3bJ9 wMjw== kr1mr5764349pbc.192.1371704167114; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p2sm27888507pag.22.2013.06.19.21.56.05 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:56:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:56:03 -0700 To: "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Subject: [Tigers] Odd advice from Edlebrock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net While I'm on the subject, I thought I'd mention what the tech guy at Edlebrock told me. I determined that the narrow band air/gas meter on my car is an Edlebrock. I called them to ask about how well it worked, and how to best read it. I told him that it reads mostly with all 4 green lights on, sometimes flickering the first of two yellow lights. That means it is running on the rich side at 13:1+. He said that it would be better if I was only lighting two of the green lights. He suggested that rather than first trying to change jets in the carb, I try advancing the timing by 2 degrees. That sure sounded odd to me. Sure, perhaps timing could lean the car a little. But, if I'm already at max advance based upon the risk of pinging, which he would have no idea, doesn't that create greater issues to push the advance up? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 23:03:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6ED42750 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:03:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f52.google.com (mail-pa0-f52.google.com [209.85.220.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0127E42711 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:03:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id kq13so5892306pab.39 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:02:02 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=2aMQEdIWWqThXtQpksrphWkmME7tD7Np9tDbP0Ko1RM=; b=yUfNF0Mwl2EDm+rSHTVtcK+RuVqbOfBJak9UyB3xSsps+mCvtThx7wh+1YEPSdhx/n 9Ik/bifnuAKr3Jn5sZNgKwcNbDJg8qwpxy359ikmhfpt3V8v02f331p6Zf3XlvAzenPU hEEm0bAaaOwp213gtH9dIUR3N2MQkCWxDJQEkNTX5ysp9cS5C06CIoABOOeAS3AdWzpy YXBp5VI5IyMcUW2k+gEGYg657B0bxmHqkV0ozmz8tNToJ/BA+830s3uyO7j/tF6+mOpK vGdQ27WWXW8j4PPhZeN85pl1nPB91anj0+vdlnux5mdWYaJ6yrb/Az5UbmTArRwogOS6 wP1w== yt8mr9800332pab.21.1371704522597; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id vv6sm27965473pab.6.2013.06.19.22.01.59 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:02:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:01:58 -0700 References: <4abb1.70365bf2.3ef3e4f0@aol.com> To: MWood24020@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, but how many people can really maintain threshold braking without ABS? I'm sure we all want to believe we can - and I'm sure some of us can. But, it's also like the new dual clutch manual transmissions that are shifted electronically. There was a long time that I knew that people who knew how and when to shift, would be faster and more fuel efficient than someone in one of the automatics and even some of the electronic manuals. So a sports car driver would of course properly want a stick. Even if there was no way to prove if I had that capability - as much as I want to believe it - I don't know for sure. But, now with these dual clutch manuals, as far as I understand it, there really is no question that the non-manual clutch beats even the best manual clutch driver. So, someone who really wants a "real" performance car, with the best performance, will have to pick a non-manual dual clutch transmission. So back to ABS. In theory, we are all able to threshold brake and we can all brake in top form to calculate ultimate stopping distances for our cars. And I'm sure plenty will say that I can only speak for myself. But, I'm thinking that's only a theory that hasn't really be proven. On Jun 19, 2013, at 9:54 PM, MWood24020@aol.com wrote: > ABS. all other things being equal, doesn't equate to shorter braking > distances...supposing the driver can maintain threshold braking without > incurring lock up in a non-ABS car. > > > In a message dated 6/19/2013 9:47:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > robertdhogan@gmail.com writes: > > Regardless of anti-lock or not, the point is what was the stopping distance > of a Tiger's stock braking system and how much was that stopping distance > reduced by adding a $1200+ Wilwood front braking kit? > > Secondarily, how does the Wilwood equipped Tiger compare in stopping > performance to more modern vehicles if the same measurement criteria are > applied? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jay.laifman@gmail.com [mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:29 AM > > To: Robert D. Hogan; tigers-bounces@autox.team.net; tigers@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance > > > > Maybe I missed it. But these cars all have anti lock brakes. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 23:12:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299EE42764 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:12:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F17640536 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:12:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vms170031pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MOO002HJEDQ7750@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:10:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 173.58.229.205 ([173.58.229.205]) by vms170031 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:10:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:10:38 -0500 (CDT) From: bucktrippel@verizon.net To: robertdhogan@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mike makes good points. My experience is also that the stock front calipers and rotors have enough clamping force to lock up the front wheels, even without the booster when using typical street tires. More tire patch would make the car stop shorter. Braking distance varies with the choice of friction material. BTW, our tests showed that modern high performance pads can really help the Tiger's stopping distance. With modern pads, our race tiger's stopping power with stock brakes is not a problem. The problem is heat build up. After awhile the heat does crazy things (pad fade, pad transfer or boiling fluid.) This occurs even with a lot of cooling air. Vented rotors are simply less susceptable to these heat problems. If you are racing in a class that allows vented rotors or doing a long mountain drive, vented rotors are a good choice. (For years Tigers have used Nissan vented rotors.) Now we have another choice with the Wildwood kit. Over a decade ago we did some brake testing of stock Tiger brakes on a closed course usually used by a local police department. The police used the heck out of it, so much so the asphalt was breaking down. The surface had a lot of loose pebbles from the aggregate. In fact, wide racing slicks actually performed worse than narrower street tires because of the ball bearing effect of this gravel. This showed me I need to consider the surface when comparing brake tests. To be honest, I have not idea if R&T tests on new pavement, old (less grippy) pavement, asphalt or concrete. I guess the best idea is to do a before and after testing on the same surface. bt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 00:58:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C075542756 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:58:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com (mail-ve0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C1F4056E for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:56:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id c13so4793553vea.35 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:54:58 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=cP5riLUKM9DXY8Wb5gyegGQJjeY/KVbAy9zb+BrqtsI=; b=gKrdAnk7qwI/C3TaeIXajyMV8Q8q6lDHOsTxHm4zq+y/WlIhu8nW9/7wnlifkYjtrf WjDQVi5LPopDUrIp0JHAa895z9tnPzX3PEe3xWBoK1ZjeNfhK10LTZpf26p/y0708HKy G9CEeyyObOAzNRtf/bhXAGKIpMhbvu4HRnw8OYBzoGXBpgyzSEFxB7U7+C8Gn1H2NT2a Q0DpI3MvybVfC1aFKKFdj/KUAxEv1qdD9tFeFzjIlEyUCf7n5kyCRkE9WGl3t04ejetb 9aXDLScXsEZBZ8JoPakS5aPjJTFY07/0gGIZPZ7d+rgar1ksjOXdyHwltrSrJd7J3VQI BMpA== kc13mr671028vdb.67.1371711298486; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.65.19 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.65.19 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:54:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <3D55388FCAFD4B0490D84B2269593333@Cobra> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 02:54:58 -0400 From: Chip Broadbooks To: csx2282 Cc: Carl Halgren , tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have an Edelbrock on my Dad's. It seems some guys did a pretty extensive study on Tiger overheating issues and found the HiPo water pumps were not so good keeping the Tiger cool at idle, which is an issue I am currently trying to resolve. Their study is on the TEAE website. I haven't a clue to where the original one is. :( On Jun 19, 2013 10:45 PM, "csx2282" wrote: > Let me bore everyone with my opinion on 289 water pumps. The original > pumps, or at least the aluminum one I have, came with cast metal impellers. > The replacements currently available have stamped sheet metal impellers. > Maybe okay for a stock, street 289, but not so good for a HiPo or a motor > with a bit of tuning. I recommend getting your original pump rebuilt using > the cast impeller rather than buying one of these newer replacements. > > I found a local auto parts store willing to take this on for me (A & M > Motor Supply, Los Gatos, CA). You might want to check around for someone > in your area willing to rebuild yours. > > Roland > ------------------------------ > >> From: Carl Halgren >> >> SNIPPED >> Since the old water pump will not turn, I >> know I need a new >> water pump b will the stock Ford pump fit? >> > > SNIPPED >> Thanks, >> Carl >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/chip.** > broadbooks@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 01:35:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24E64270C for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 01:35:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f173.google.com (mail-ve0-f173.google.com [209.85.128.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0669C40413 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 01:35:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f173.google.com with SMTP id jw11so4809472veb.32 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:33:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=YH5UDpWXvMOVg+UM+1UYDEu5oBy4Njoh7HIwPBZl7Nk=; b=TlW7BMOs0+seLJtce6tYJ05e/iyMo2oOEakcX27gjbgLBLXoFqgd70yhRsiKtB1Of4 RnFBOC759ESfXNzhddQtWo1k53244+PPiWE3COihMMk9y7zxpdwraAGh/xvkjBdtUpa5 4+410JaUqcFI9kPiRXOlvUy5QZN+s+NzUNRHmiVWWLSDwBD+DIilVFRTbZXUl9kratr3 SvMKceqvahcM8cNIs14Lq7A4SOuzSc+6iAbtAR/OZOOzFioHQfY4GUes5tbBNt/63jaF AeBoH82ZOSXEkuEqEdERGHg+16+uq26RpwAEfm3Y9Kx3CldX8WTl758MH8fsbDlvW4/z hJSw== xs9mr2072149vcb.12.1371713636424; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.65.19 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.65.19 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:33:56 -0700 (PDT) References: <897e8.116228b4.3ef3c61e@aol.com> <11733342EF5A455AB519C6EFF0767AA8@sbrennanPC> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 03:33:56 -0400 From: Chip Broadbooks Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood release Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mine is the same as Stu's. It was a cable when my Dad had it. I switched over to a rod. For the same reason. On Jun 19, 2013 10:59 PM, "Stu Brennan" wrote: > My Mk1A, assembled sometime in the late summer of '66, has a rod > release... because I installed it. > > I'd heard the horror stories about breaking cables, so at a United parts > swap I saw a rod type release just laying there on a table, waiting for me. > A few bucks later, I found it bolted right in, no mods required. So maybe > somebody else did the same thing, and that's where it came from. > > Stu > > -----Original Message----- From: CoolVT@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:42 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Hood release > > Okay, a question/survey.............**some cars came with a cable to > release > the hood and others with a rod. I have heard that the MK1's came with a > rod and everything after came with a cable. > When I got my MK1A over 20 yrs. ago it came with a rod. It's hard to > believe that the cable had been switched for a rod because just about > nothing > on the car had been changed. It was as original as you could find. On > Ebay > there is a rod for sale that is claimed to come from a MK1A..... Item > #251292299850 . > So, the question is, did anyone else have an original MK 1A or MK11 that > came with a rod rather than a cable? > Mark L > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/stubrennan@** > comcast.net > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/chip.** > broadbooks@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 02:49:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D920E42713 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 02:49:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ivic0.sogetel.net (pop3.ivic.qc.ca [66.187.114.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C9440420 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 02:48:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ip160.125-126-74.sogetel.net ([74.126.125.160] helo=D7F0WHF1) by ivic0.sogetel.net with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UpaWU-000835-3u; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 04:47:18 -0400 From: "denis mercier" To: "Stu Brennan" , , References: <897e8.116228b4.3ef3c61e@aol.com> <11733342EF5A455AB519C6EFF0767AA8@sbrennanPC> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 04:47:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood release Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My Tiger was assembled at the end of 65 for the 1966 year market and came originaly with rod. Denis B382000926LRXFE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stu Brennan" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood release > My Mk1A, assembled sometime in the late summer of '66, has a rod > release... because I installed it. > > I'd heard the horror stories about breaking cables, so at a United parts > swap I saw a rod type release just laying there on a table, waiting for > me. A few bucks later, I found it bolted right in, no mods required. So > maybe somebody else did the same thing, and that's where it came from. > > Stu > > -----Original Message----- > From: CoolVT@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:42 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Hood release > > Okay, a question/survey.............some cars came with a cable to > release > the hood and others with a rod. I have heard that the MK1's came with a > rod and everything after came with a cable. > When I got my MK1A over 20 yrs. ago it came with a rod. It's hard to > believe that the cable had been switched for a rod because just about > nothing > on the car had been changed. It was as original as you could find. On > Ebay > there is a rod for sale that is claimed to come from a MK1A..... Item > #251292299850 . > So, the question is, did anyone else have an original MK 1A or MK11 that > came with a rod rather than a cable? > Mark L > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stubrennan@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/denismercier@telvic.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 04:34:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C2840EA9 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 04:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABEE40450 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 04:31:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([74.103.169.51]) by p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id qaWJ1l00K16sh7N01aWKPh; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 03:30:20 -0700 From: Jeff Feit Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:30:17 -0400 To: Tigers List Subject: [Tigers] Stopping distance testing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A few things about stopping distances, having been involved with this kind of testing before. Certainly the surface used and test conditions can vary a lot, which has a big effect. The big magazines like to do most of their testing at the same location when possible-- but they don't always. If they are testing a car at a remote location, they make do with whatever they can find. My guess is that Classic Motorsports doesn't have access to a good test surface. More importantly, there are 2 factors that have a huge impact on the stopping distance, that have nothing to do with the ultimate deceleration capability-- how the test is run, and how quickly the car can build up deceleration. Think about this. The 60 mph starting speed is 88 feet/second. What do you consider the start of the test? Do you use a brake pedal switch (this is what automakers use, but magazines don't)? Brake pressure switch? What pressure? Do you signal the driver to start the brake event (adding driver reaction time)? Trigger at .10g? .50g? The method can easily account for 1/2 second difference, which is 44ft at 60mph. Then there is the fact that a car can't instantly go from zero to maximum decel, and the things that affect this often don't have anything to do with maximum decel capability. Things like the suspension, shocks, stiffness of the brake components (calipers, lines, pedal) will effect how fast the decel can build up-- and at a starting speed of 88ft/s it makes a big difference. The effect would show more if you trigger off a brake pedal switch than if you trigger at .50g. So, while in theory a "better" brake system shouldn't improve stopping distances with the same tires, in reality it does. As Pirelli likes to say, "power is nothing without control". _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 04:34:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5639A42722 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 04:34:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000594032A for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 04:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([74.103.169.51]) by p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id qaWJ1l00K16sh7N01aWVQb; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 03:30:30 -0700 From: Jeff Feit Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:30:29 -0400 To: Tigers List Subject: [Tigers] Stopping distance testing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A few things about stopping distances, having been involved with this kind of testing before. Certainly the surface used and test conditions can vary a lot, which has a big effect. The big magazines like to do most of their testing at the same location when possible-- but they don't always. If they are testing a car at a remote location, they make do with whatever they can find. My guess is that Classic Motorsports doesn't have access to a good test surface. More importantly, there are 2 factors that have a huge impact on the stopping distance, that have nothing to do with the ultimate deceleration capability-- how the test is run, and how quickly the car can build up deceleration. Think about this. The 60 mph starting speed is 88 feet/second. What do you consider the start of the test? Do you use a pedal switch (this is what automakers use, but magazines don't)? Do you signal the driver to start the brake event (adding driver reaction time)? Trigger at .10g? .50g? The method can easily account for 1/2 second difference, which is 44ft at 60mph. Then there is the fact that a car can't instantly go from zero to maximum decel, and the things that affect this often don't have anything to do with maximum decel capability. Things like the suspension, shocks, stiffness of the brake components (calipers, lines, pedal) will effect how fast the decel can build up-- and at a starting speed of 88ft/s it makes a big difference. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 06:28:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1867540E52 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:28:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA9140333 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:28:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5KCIN0I020906; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:27:34 -0700 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189654) id dm0224.5192ebb6.4b08f2; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:26:41 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jay Laifman'" , Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:26:36 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5tci9xy8vwKdazQh6uwBUq//bCPgAPZRQg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-20_05:2013-06-20,2013-06-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306200072 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bizarre Running Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay That does seem bizarre. I'll have to ponder on that one for awhile. You maybe on the right track with the float it does seem like fuel problem I do suggest you check the timing and the timing advance curve, also make sure the vacuum advance canister will hold vacuum. Make sure the initial timing is always returning to the same point. Make sure all the wire connections to and from the distributor are good. I worked on one car that had all kinds of bizarre problems until I found the distributor advance was hanging up and messing up the initial timing every time the throttle was touched. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:52 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Den Subject: [Tigers] Bizarre Running Issue Ok, this one doesn't strike a chord with me from hearing similar stuff before. As before, I recently rebuilt the Holley. I had an issue with no running below 2,000 rpm. I raised the front float level, adjusted the idle screws and the idle and all was good. I went on a number of drives and it seemed fine. But today, when driving to work, it still ran fine, until about 45 minutes into the drive - long after the temp gauge was already reading normal operating temp. Then it would die when I came to idle. I looked on line and it suggested a vacuum leak or the float was too high. But no vacuum line is remotely loose and I would think this would show its head earlier in the drive. Then on the way home, I hit terrible terrible traffic. It was mostly idle for a long time, then inch forward. But, still the car was fine. It held temp just fine, and idle. Then some time about 45-60 minutes into this 2 hour drive, it started stalling again if I went down to idle. And now the engine ran a bit rough below 2,000 rpm. Not bad like before I adjusted the float. But not good either. At every stop, even the last stop before my house, it would stall unless I was able to catch it and lightly rev the engine to keep it going. Note that it would stall EVEN IF I didn't hit the brakes or slow down. It was not servo/braking/change of angle/fuel sloshing related. I could be driving along and press in the clutch, lift my foot off the gas, and it would drop to 0 rpm and stall. Then I got home, pulled up to the house, and fully expected it to stall again. Now it didn't stall and it seemed to be smooth again. My thought was that there is something wrong with that front float. Like perhaps something causes it to expand and it is sticking, or some other bizarre thing. But that doesn't fully explain the behavior. Because the front float didn't match the rear one, and it is adjusting oddly (because it has to be lifted quite a bit off of horizontal to run right), I think I'm going to order the newer float and install it and see what happens. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 06:36:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED165403E3 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:36:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2811E40355 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:32:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 12:31:25 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.219] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 12:31:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 12:31:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 78142 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jun 2013 12:31:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371731485; bh=yZh3cYEbrYoOEAZ0J68kq7zCqlQA662BEXNFUzuhw2s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=l02ubEPBTW2UUQpqcjdJnG//E3KkJ1FC6SSOBKNS7q/SKiW876tu2Ks+YGDxNCNe48uOHlZ65PARODwoBwxLBow1S9Qi3K8cZs2paSU9u+lpDGKoLhh4S6h1CS2VYZZzp8NJtJX068GOk1evyUnKIIedqwri8cKQuZW1hQtEaq0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MXHqXD3vACQo3ZR1p5eQ3rSBpz1CACqWG4PQjFFOFXBr+1xaKL73NUGZsWwrhsIcbPGjlFXLl0IxDSd/clVTomjgInDtoXWXqFYVBHXsIJUy+tAc1QGQ+Po0cuexLXBUJHJAZGp1WAT53+30tQTNhbeUbdpjHYr2WUAwn+0Gjrg=; sr.fS.jnZzq48YZHcxToHUIr26e7.KzO2ImranegMsWoQWZK5At.73SdZc8O .U9VH8R0utdOPOLQTtddGbwCfuJtwfCmDG6beNxhGW27V5oqIhNnMsyxEATr P2ko_s_xuaLQAN7ZxX6752zNfu1VMgc5a0offhiXjkhsIuW_hIM9fA0tzT7k vihGRmtKvbAr1yiIIsvl4JL0szOfi7VJL4819ucuDNjUPWTH3zlMsxR2jOzm wlOABymF1RFdhHhmhu3RzyCOddEluxzt.M9W6ICsE2nKp7Uk5AtI.o_uv56Y PhN25Zlet7pXDou8hwPbW.Lb_7Dv7afr4.OU4xP66Ff_7ohbnYA2n6VzFTv. vr.bZAwF.io3ugcjMGkP3jJvCfXy_ZZ5p1fHJMTLsBpoTx2budYEFKerJ76Z kcfl.kH7wg74W7fcaWhiyZtsSac6Ubfm6dmUsyt_wT4r6GT7exX.xqwdNVdx 5i3ETy5KqlqhBXjg_Vg-- Received: from [98.110.172.183] by web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:31:25 PDT T2ZmaWNpYWxseSwgdGhlIGZpcnN0IFRpZ2VyIHRvIGdldCB0aGUgJ2ltcHJvdmVkJyBib25uZXQgY2FibGUgd2FzIFRpZ2VyIElBICMgMTgyNiwgYWNjb3JkaW5nIHRvIEJpbGwgQ2Fycm9sbCdzIGJvb2ssIGFuZAp0aGUgcGFydHMgY2F0YWxvZ3VlLCB3aGljaCBtYXkgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIHdoZXJlIE1yLiBDYXJyb2xsIGdvdCBoaXMgaW5mb3JtYXRpb24uCgpNeSBJQSAjNDggY2FtZSB3aXRoIHRoZSByb2QgZGVzaWduLCBidXQgSSBhbHNvIGdvdCB0aGUgbGF0ZXIgY2FibGUgZGVzaWduIGF0IGEgVW5pdGVkIG8BMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:31:25 -0700 (PDT) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Tigers - start of bonnet 'cable' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Officially, the first Tiger to get the 'improved' bonnet cable was Tiger IA # 1826, according to Bill Carroll's book, and the parts catalogue, which may have been where Mr. Carroll got his information. My IA #48 came with the rod design, but I also got the later cable design at a United out west. On Alpine V's, the cable design began with #4386. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 06:37:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3BC42721 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f50.google.com (mail-pb0-f50.google.com [209.85.160.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8311A40355 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:36:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id wz7so6175799pbc.9 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:34:39 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:x-priority:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=dI7QBo0oXSFPLE2asoGhgbtD1jwn79HQTd3Wj6ZVpb0=; b=KmE35CkWSTSMwtEDPL5Sj3d0Njx08mkHPVhb/mr8n17LXg03By1+/fkAGMPU84GN2n RldcgB1wvuJur5oTLEBFI/6Rr+4NUnfKGPMRcCjG0IjB5BcBNV+dVvLrofyU6FIbQ9Nw gT9ll05zDdk/nnWWpUPGkGKsA2NYaL8WtKPRz3MpSktl8PG0fDPKcQSOPXDzRyIlvmzQ ecE5wQSqflCr0LzllYLXhw9hS/AMsN4s924nzRSeK1iSC6JNAz3Qyad3D7paVYhhH29u 9rwh1otwNe4SchUxB2fC+TDV0JXqRI9GBWF4GrDhG0ri5+ra8hUvRS7F7g+iZKnvg/td vdcg== lq3mr9554334pab.147.1371731679109; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id iq6sm154459pbc.1.2013.06.20.05.34.37 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:34:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:34:35 -0700 References: To: Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bizarre Running Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net You mention one thing that I noticed while I was working on the carb, and I meant to go back and address. The vacuum advance hose is fine at the carb end. But at the distributor end, the attachment part points pretty much right at one of the radiator hoses, and the vacuum hose was being bent at that point. It didn't seem like it was fully pinched or that it had a hole in it. I was going too see if I could find some sort of hard 90 degree elbow that I could put on right there. I thought of it during my 2 hour drive. But I didn't think it could be the cause of this. Jay On Jun 20, 2013, at 5:26 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Jay > That does seem bizarre. I'll have to ponder on that one for awhile. > You maybe on the right track with the float it does seem like fuel problem > > I do suggest you check the timing and the timing advance curve, also make > sure the vacuum advance canister will hold vacuum. Make sure the initial > timing is always returning to the same point. Make sure all the wire > connections to and from the distributor are good. I worked on one car that > had all kinds of bizarre problems until I found the distributor advance was > hanging up and messing up the initial timing every time the throttle was > touched. > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Jay Laifman > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:52 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net Den > Subject: [Tigers] Bizarre Running Issue > > > Ok, this one doesn't strike a chord with me from hearing similar stuff > before. > > As before, I recently rebuilt the Holley. I had an issue with no running > below 2,000 rpm. I raised the front float level, adjusted the idle screws > and the idle and all was good. I went on a number of drives and it seemed > fine. > > But today, when driving to work, it still ran fine, until about 45 minutes > into the drive - long after the temp gauge was already reading normal > operating temp. Then it would die when I came to idle. > > I looked on line and it suggested a vacuum leak or the float was too high. > But no vacuum line is remotely loose and I would think this would show its > head earlier in the drive. > > Then on the way home, I hit terrible terrible traffic. It was mostly idle > for a long time, then inch forward. But, still the car was fine. It held > temp just fine, and idle. Then some time about 45-60 minutes into this 2 > hour drive, it started stalling again if I went down to idle. And now the > engine ran a bit rough below 2,000 rpm. Not bad like before I adjusted the > float. But not good either. > > At every stop, even the last stop before my house, it would stall unless I > was able to catch it and lightly rev the engine to keep it going. Note that > it would stall EVEN IF I didn't hit the brakes or slow down. It was not > servo/braking/change of angle/fuel sloshing related. I could be driving > along and press in the clutch, lift my foot off the gas, and it would drop > to 0 rpm and stall. > > Then I got home, pulled up to the house, and fully expected it to stall > again. Now it didn't stall and it seemed to be smooth again. > > My thought was that there is something wrong with that front float. Like > perhaps something causes it to expand and it is sticking, or some other > bizarre thing. But that doesn't fully explain the behavior. Because the > front float didn't match the rear one, and it is adjusting oddly (because it > has to be lifted quite a bit off of horizontal to run right), I think I'm > going to order the newer float and install it and see what happens. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 06:47:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E741E40547 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED6C4009B for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:47:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5KCh3dp017698; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:45:50 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id sj1-dm103.5192ebfe.4baa4d; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:45:33 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.150.84]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:45:30 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jay Laifman'" Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:45:27 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5tsofId6X9/hwbT/aVSZwZM3b8UwAAPtKA engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-20_05:2013-06-20,2013-06-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306200079 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bizarre Running Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay Sounds like you have the original style vacuum can. The hard line bend there is very sharp. I think possibly the original upper radiator hose had a different contour. I installed a Crane vacuum advance can with a rubber 90 to some plastic hard line. Ron -----Original Message----- From: Jay Laifman [mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 8:35 AM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bizarre Running Issue You mention one thing that I noticed while I was working on the carb, and I meant to go back and address. The vacuum advance hose is fine at the carb end. But at the distributor end, the attachment part points pretty much right at one of the radiator hoses, and the vacuum hose was being bent at that point. It didn't seem like it was fully pinched or that it had a hole in it. I was going too see if I could find some sort of hard 90 degree elbow that I could put on right there. I thought of it during my 2 hour drive. But I didn't think it could be the cause of this. Jay On Jun 20, 2013, at 5:26 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Jay > That does seem bizarre. I'll have to ponder on that one for awhile. > You maybe on the right track with the float it does seem like fuel > problem > > I do suggest you check the timing and the timing advance curve, also > make sure the vacuum advance canister will hold vacuum. Make sure the > initial timing is always returning to the same point. Make sure all the wire > connections to and from the distributor are good. I worked on one car that > had all kinds of bizarre problems until I found the distributor > advance was hanging up and messing up the initial timing every time > the throttle was touched. > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Jay Laifman > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:52 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net Den > Subject: [Tigers] Bizarre Running Issue > > > Ok, this one doesn't strike a chord with me from hearing similar stuff > before. > > As before, I recently rebuilt the Holley. I had an issue with no > running below 2,000 rpm. I raised the front float level, adjusted the > idle screws and the idle and all was good. I went on a number of > drives and it seemed fine. > > But today, when driving to work, it still ran fine, until about 45 > minutes into the drive - long after the temp gauge was already reading > normal operating temp. Then it would die when I came to idle. > > I looked on line and it suggested a vacuum leak or the float was too > high. But no vacuum line is remotely loose and I would think this > would show its head earlier in the drive. > > Then on the way home, I hit terrible terrible traffic. It was mostly > idle for a long time, then inch forward. But, still the car was fine. > It held temp just fine, and idle. Then some time about 45-60 minutes > into this 2 hour drive, it started stalling again if I went down to > idle. And now the engine ran a bit rough below 2,000 rpm. Not bad > like before I adjusted the float. But not good either. > > At every stop, even the last stop before my house, it would stall > unless I was able to catch it and lightly rev the engine to keep it > going. Note that it would stall EVEN IF I didn't hit the brakes or > slow down. It was not servo/braking/change of angle/fuel sloshing > related. I could be driving along and press in the clutch, lift my > foot off the gas, and it would drop to 0 rpm and stall. > > Then I got home, pulled up to the house, and fully expected it to > stall again. Now it didn't stall and it seemed to be smooth again. > > My thought was that there is something wrong with that front float. > Like perhaps something causes it to expand and it is sticking, or some > other bizarre thing. But that doesn't fully explain the behavior. > Because the front float didn't match the rear one, and it is adjusting > oddly (because it has to be lifted quite a bit off of horizontal to > run right), I think I'm going to order the newer float and install it > and see what happens. _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 07:40:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E4440566 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:40:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0E2403C5 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:40:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7D51B70007CC3 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mla005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.83]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 54895E000085 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:38:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Carmods@aol.com Full-name: Carmods Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:38:48 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371735528; bh=0EpRGFzhAdE1NFAOlRDmXFVlac5S8RflBR+i9MbeIic=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hJLAIGbrX8/f9TydU+9SqynXJvKGTZvKttnj5Sllv3iDsiyFf718fIB/cG/x8EPF1 uv5nr5VZpcyrJRGmKAaq8JugCOhNm6YF5GFvkeSOh2x0aRKEKIDAbIuhxCMQq6WJPd ibLf75NfCRt9QrPcGVqQF2bIBEgegid2WYJt9GOc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d51c305e860cb Subject: [Tigers] Bizarre Running Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 6/20/2013 12:54:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jay.laifman@gmail.com writes: But today, when driving to work, it still ran fine, until about 45 minutes into the drive - long after the temp gauge was already reading normal operating temp. Then it would die when I came to idle. Have you considered a plugged gas tank vent? It's easy to check. Just pop the cap and try to start it when it stalls. John Logan _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 08:02:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E17C424D8 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:02:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.98]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E7A403D9 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:02:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY172-W26 ([65.54.190.124]) by bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:00:41 -0700 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Carl Halgren , Tigers Den Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:00:40 -0400 References: <1371670587.56804.YahooMailNeo@web142603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> FILETIME=[8CEF2620:01CE6DBE] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Carl, Getting it to run can be done...but I wouldn't recommend it. Years ago my dad put his Corvette into storage. Basically parked it in the garage and it sat for about 35 years. 10 Years ago as my dad neared retirement, my mom decided she wanted to move and sell the house, since it was becoming a physical burden to maintain...so the light went off in his head to get his old car running again. Like Carl's Tiger he had a laundry list of issues and things to check before he could get it running with his goal of driving it my parent's new condo. He spent hour ...after hour ...after hour ...after hour ...after hour ...after hour (do I have enough hours here????) ...he finally got it to turn over and run a bit on it's own power. He ended up trailering it to their new place. 2 more years of working ...after hour ...after hour ...after hour ...after hour ...after hour...it was finally road worthy. I was amazed and thought he just might pull this nonsense off. About 500 miles later...and 2 broken rings...and a camshaft that was wiped out...my dad pulled the engine. For all his time and effort...he just should have pulled it in the first place. He still isn't driving the car a lot...he is just too darn cheap and stubborn to get the fuel injection unit rebuilt. I told him to go out and get a cheap carb and intake temporarily. Carl, good luck with whatever you decide and do. Paul > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:36:27 -0700 > From: cghalgren@yahoo.com > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage > > All, > I am finally attempting to get my Tiger back on the road after 35 years > in the garage............... > > Carl Halgren > CGHalgren@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/prbreuhan@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 08:10:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3FE426C3 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:10:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mga02.intel.com (mga02.intel.com [134.134.136.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4C0403D9 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:10:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fmsmga001.fm.intel.com ([10.253.24.23]) by orsmga101.jf.intel.com with ESMTP; 20 Jun 2013 07:09:09 -0700 d="scan'208,217";a="352940355" Received: from fmsmsx108.amr.corp.intel.com ([10.19.9.228]) by fmsmga001.fm.intel.com with ESMTP; 20 Jun 2013 07:09:30 -0700 Received: from FMSMSX110.amr.corp.intel.com ([169.254.1.147]) by FMSMSX108.amr.corp.intel.com ([169.254.10.97]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:08:51 -0700 From: "Doornbos, Daniel" To: "jay.laifman@gmail.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Bizarre Running Issue Thread-Index: Ac5tv66qhgT2IA6dTyCzqv8JfU5/JQ== Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:08:51 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.1.200.106] Subject: [Tigers] Bizarre Running Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net What about the fuel pump? Electric right? What if it's getting old and doesn't like running when the fuel is running at low flow and most restricted at idle but then the pump does fine when running with throttle open? Also sounds like an electrical pump to me because of the time factor and inconsistency. Your carb is largely mechanical and time shouldn't be a factor in the poor performance. Yet electronic pumps as the contacts wear would be more susceptible to this kind of problem. dan _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 09:42:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A17640536 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:42:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9830C40355 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DB0F670037577; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mle002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.199]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9FB6AE00008B; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:40:30 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:40:30 -0400 (EDT) To: bucktrippel@verizon.net, robertdhogan@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371742830; bh=C7zDcVPpOFTSVqgc7NiCYYryHVoKmg/oPDxtqdnjVgE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NswQF2zTLl6lQLfmzzN0fj4W1Mh9zt2HdYi5oY+o45uS4xZs2DtWiI7OIk0HlnHxe c7gqgxQ8zNwv477S0Zg5jAKzGLkc4NOCTRIRihe56CG7DWjebAudhQTAWjHVXJjKPi krsN9hCo2hHztF054R/6IBweKW7W2C6B5rtKoLyY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c751c3226e3ceb Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I agree, heat build and dissipation are where a kit like Wilwood's adds value. In a message dated 6/19/2013 10:11:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bucktrippel@verizon.net writes: Mike makes good points. My experience is also that the stock front calipers and rotors have enough clamping force to lock up the front wheels, even without the booster when using typical street tires. More tire patch would make the car stop shorter. Braking distance varies with the choice of friction material. BTW, our tests showed that modern high performance pads can really help the Tiger's stopping distance. With modern pads, our race tiger's stopping power with stock brakes is not a problem. The problem is heat build up. After awhile the heat does crazy things (pad fade, pad transfer or boiling fluid.) This occurs even with a lot of cooling air. Vented rotors are simply less susceptable to these heat problems. If you are racing in a class that allows vented rotors or doing a long mountain drive, vented rotors are a good choice. (For years Tigers have used Nissan vented rotors.) Now we have another choice with the Wildwood kit. Over a decade ago we did some brake testing of stock Tiger brakes on a closed course usually used by a local police department. The police used the heck out of it, so much so the asphalt was breaking down. The surface had a lot of loose pebbles from the aggregate. In fact, wide racing slicks actually performed worse than narrower street tires because of the ball bearing effect of this gravel. This showed me I need to consider the surface when comparing brake tests. To be honest, I have not idea if R&T tests on new pavement, old (less grippy) pavement, asphalt or concrete. I guess the best idea is to do a before and after testing on the same surface. bt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 09:49:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FFE242722 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE2240548 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5D068700000B9; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mle002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.199]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0B125E000085; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:46:55 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:46:54 -0400 (EDT) To: jeff@feitmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371743215; bh=r1KYm0QwZLttfjZw5/cDq9wxD3FsNujVVG/WXsrW/Co=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MYoc0M1Hc9zNWpqq32DZr8rI56qAmpM17BXo6g4PPC2af2D70cmgNa0Ni3jt5MnXk 6x/WSB4g/5BJmQSVsGT9sk4Qg1H2iYWojSVVm2TqUSM2TC93A2N1k+5dcRTCxeTZXg 2ET+vTRdcbC6jH866Yf1F/ksQ9zOvlBcEMrv1uxo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c51c323ef12fb Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping distance testing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Those are really helpful points to consider, thanks. The methodology aspect is really just about comparing apples to apples, but the point about "stiffness of brake components" is key. It doesn't effect threshold limit, but compressing the time it takes the system to get to that point is significant. Also, as I wrote earlier, it can pay dividends in more accurate modulation of a non-ABS system/ In a message dated 6/20/2013 3:32:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jeff@feitmail.com writes: A few things about stopping distances, having been involved with this kind of testing before. Certainly the surface used and test conditions can vary a lot, which has a big effect. The big magazines like to do most of their testing at the same location when possible-- but they don't always. If they are testing a car at a remote location, they make do with whatever they can find. My guess is that Classic Motorsports doesn't have access to a good test surface. More importantly, there are 2 factors that have a huge impact on the stopping distance, that have nothing to do with the ultimate deceleration capability-- how the test is run, and how quickly the car can build up deceleration. Think about this. The 60 mph starting speed is 88 feet/second. What do you consider the start of the test? Do you use a brake pedal switch (this is what automakers use, but magazines don't)? Brake pressure switch? What pressure? Do you signal the driver to start the brake event (adding driver reaction time)? Trigger at .10g? .50g? The method can easily account for 1/2 second difference, which is 44ft at 60mph. Then there is the fact that a car can't instantly go from zero to maximum decel, and the things that affect this often don't have anything to do with maximum decel capability. Things like the suspension, shocks, stiffness of the brake components (calipers, lines, pedal) will effect how fast the decel can build up-- and at a starting speed of 88ft/s it makes a big difference. The effect would show more if you trigger off a brake pedal switch than if you trigger at .50g. So, while in theory a "better" brake system shouldn't improve stopping distances with the same tires, in reality it does. As Pirelli likes to say, "power is nothing without control". _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 09:57:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E020403E2 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:57:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f180.google.com (mail-ve0-f180.google.com [209.85.128.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFEB403D9 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:57:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id pa12so5233694veb.11 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:55:44 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=SdSunjzVBoMqKFHB9MmsKgaqWPST0vfldUOhURm3ls8=; b=hLZvDYaVDnAVemaUX0J5m3GLOAMJ6XhT/8hE/qbETvD/D62p5FdqiON4SzHHMdYsMJ ktlev0PdvxK34T1Aevi+fXgs+f+0TUg6oTFfJve/EgiE1EIC28adJNWfO6DD6TZFVL6G lFKUS0lViCdyykizLNHybWiMRSg7HkA/zCPCM= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=SdSunjzVBoMqKFHB9MmsKgaqWPST0vfldUOhURm3ls8=; b=cgFKxbK5wUpQNDvmuEltFQLU1rElzFuVpeyTW3rB5JzmBDYuQL1EJPq9CPiaqOnBIc 3b1HexdI2FeqbIRDsk0irKmeA6ug39vNvI3VaOZxLnCYZvmeQFlqidl8wP0L8u5wR4eo GRZ13EOQAhm5Zi5REtPMmShOAwHOGX8rjQTEKUgZ0thzwNE7PT7pc4Ugy6NPaehlM+fJ Cs+hvHqVnAAV9l8S10IWCwq+G17Ol90IloMhFg6a1JS9bupzFKfStkSH2LFDzVwqe5q8 SwTWmz1U/dC4caGrZg47W8UQzP8rdsoFE4Sv63ZDpsbGDeB6dicTOcqjVMqDIPTPeYKR 096Q== u5mr3092222vco.8.1371743744340; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DavePC (DRMONS0540W-156034170254.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net. [156.34.170.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bk7sm987981ved.0.2013.06.20.08.55.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:55:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Munroe" To: "Robert D. Hogan" , References: <006501ce6d71$49130b80$db392280$@com> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:55:41 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Robert; I agree with your point of view. There is lots of good technical info regarding the science and physics of braking coming out of the gurus on this List. But when we upgrade the brakes, the benchmark should be the performance improvement of the new parts when compared to the original equipment, not compared to current vehicles with nearly 50 years of development on board. For sure if you have the motivation and resources to get to state-of-the-art performance with your brakes, it id definitely possible. Lots of us on this list have doubled and tripled and more the performance of the rubber bands under the bonnet. I have had Wilwoods on my Tiger since before the kits were available from Wilwood. I also have a fresh, professionally re-built original equipment booster installed, a new stock master cylinder and fresh rear brake pads. I do not have a proportioning valve. Important also to mention I have been using 15x5.5 front and 15x6 rear alloys with relatively sticky, 6,000 mile tires for some years now. The upgraded brakes are a world of difference from the original equipment with skinny 13" wheels and tires, which were working as well as you could expect from those old cast iron lumps of callipers and the solid rotors. The Wilwoods provide a new sense of security, much greater response with less pedal pressure, and linear performance with no fade under relatively difficult heat stress while descending long stretches of mountainous road. How much shorter are braking distances with this new equipment? I surely don't know having neither the equipment nor the experience to carry out such a test. But the Wilwoods do provide a seat-of-the-pants impression that the brakes are much improved, and the sense of security provided is well worth the $1200+. IMHO. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert D. Hogan" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stopping Distance > Regardless of anti-lock or not, the point is what was the stopping > distance > of a Tiger's stock braking system and how much was that stopping distance > reduced by adding a $1200+ Wilwood front braking kit? > > Secondarily, how does the Wilwood equipped Tiger compare in stopping > performance to more modern vehicles if the same measurement criteria are > applied? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 10:32:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCAE540547 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.118]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A81403D9 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:31:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 16:29:59 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.60] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 16:29:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp211.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 16:29:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371745799; bh=Qf68/EREDiR/thLwgKe+dxpYfHCYyCBxudfQ2fAy/S8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OssM71mB+gXxF3gs35A91twzK0mx4daXvUeg4eG61ZJu5AfWVRat0nBNNjr05yJmVYxNCTXNqXkKhn3Xr0h1tjaaAJx4Ug1fmMj0KSWO3hhAzIkyx9xLs8+EWAngifVZarcYuN35LMqH9vLP1ALkNd3tcUEJsYt34FcFjVL41sI= P9lvdtyuOIjgO9IMdMf6vo.Z0XgLQkZvYY1uy9EFhnZJt3P5mB3lF5WriXj2 077Ai1XOUERNdyY_da_s.etDGCtpRTGdjPEPoHkuC5lBLUSwImZAeMVN1IA2 eqnofsoe_GCzqF31WZb30rgcp2j2.VtkvU8KBtWGIJjzmAkxOi.oLuwhIGOx ycPxwke9EmN1Xw6n7_LN.CoaUNzr.WjXBCyjvSL6pt1yLNY6TjfC3jWNpd8q gMWh48EXLFyry29.wCVy2BstgRhewhvBV58ya6ytTglspoG9M5brBDQxB2p5 ycxF511nk.S354WmBwYCcWdP4Z0U_qPUvigHHEvEK_IC_pf2vmzQ6qiHpqbN ihv4Gm1TQpXKFbXd2TN7exni87aRTFyBvEAkmiS39WW5X_Ux50bXYDRadslJ BEiioO4NtVxlyr_2pxSg_6YVuubAyaPzo2pl05ffQJBMKuRvwIqhD8NM610f wi8fnIA3bZWx1QnYkglqZ8_5n5t2ne58Zg11VUeU- smtp211.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2013 09:29:58 -0700 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:30:13 -0500 From: TtT To: "Paul R. Breuhan" , Carl Halgren , Tigers Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Paul has given the best option I've read. Even if you manage to break the engine loose you still face unforseen problems. I have no idea your financial position but you have an expensive and highly desiresble Tiger. IF you have a shop.the right tools then take the engine apart and then to a machine shop to see if the block needs bored. Then go from there by replacing the cam and bearings and follow suit depending on the bore. You will have a newly rebuilt engine and you can be replacing rubber, getting brakes and fuel pump gas tanks etc etc in running order. Tony the Tiger Sent from Huawei Mobile "Paul R. Breuhan" wrote: >Carl, >Getting it to run can be done...but I wouldn't recommend it. > >Years ago my dad put his Corvette into storage. Basically parked it in the >garage and it sat for about 35 years. > >10 Years ago as my dad neared retirement, my mom decided she wanted to move >and sell the house, since it was becoming a physical burden to maintain...so >the light went off in his head to get his old car running again. > >Like Carl's Tiger he had a laundry list of issues and things to check before >he could get it running with his goal of driving it my parent's new condo. > >He spent hour ...after hour ...after hour ...after hour ...after hour ...after >hour (do I have enough hours here????) ...he finally got it to turn over and >run a bit on it's own power. He ended up trailering it to their new place. > >2 more years of working ...after hour ...after hour ...after hour ...after >hour ...after hour...it was finally road worthy. I was amazed and thought he >just might pull this nonsense off. > >About 500 miles later...and 2 broken rings...and a camshaft that was wiped >out...my dad pulled the engine. > >For all his time and effort...he just should have pulled it in the first >place. He still isn't driving the car a lot...he is just too darn cheap and >stubborn to get the fuel injection unit rebuilt. I told him to go out and get >a cheap carb and intake temporarily. > >Carl, good luck with whatever you decide and do. > >Paul > > >> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:36:27 -0700 >> From: cghalgren@yahoo.com >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage >> >> All, >> I am finally attempting to get my Tiger back on the road after 35 years >> in the garage............... >> >> Carl Halgren >> CGHalgren@yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/prbreuhan@hotmail.com >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 10:38:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1DF403E2 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:38:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com [159.54.39.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EADD40325 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:37:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXHC01.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.20.1.47]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AEB2D5E6D; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::d1ee:ba6b:7083:d0d]) by ENT-MOCEXHC01.us.ad.gannett.com ([172.20.1.47]) with mapi; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:36:27 -0400 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Jay Laifman , "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:36:26 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Odd advice from Edlebrock Thread-Index: Ac5tcnxEEUaWRNztRN6fpYpXTIDkfwAYbgAw References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Tigers] Odd advice from Edlebrock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Based on the response from the list I would guess we don't know the answer to that question. Good Luck. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:56 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Den Subject: [Tigers] Odd advice from Edlebrock While I'm on the subject, I thought I'd mention what the tech guy at Edlebrock told me. I determined that the narrow band air/gas meter on my car is an Edlebrock. I called them to ask about how well it worked, and how to best read it. I told him that it reads mostly with all 4 green lights on, sometimes flickering the first of two yellow lights. That means it is running on the rich side at 13:1+. He said that it would be better if I was only lighting two of the green lights. He suggested that rather than first trying to change jets in the carb, I try advancing the timing by 2 degrees. That sure sounded odd to me. Sure, perhaps timing could lean the car a little. But, if I'm already at max advance based upon the risk of pinging, which he would have no idea, doesn't that create greater issues to push the advance up? _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 10:47:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FFE440449 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from db8outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (mail-db8lp0189.outbound.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.189]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC67840325 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:46:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail65-db8-R.bigfish.com (10.174.8.254) by DB8EHSOBE006.bigfish.com (10.174.4.69) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:45:07 +0000 Received: from mail65-db8 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail65-db8-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938B36C01E8; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:45:07 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail65-db8: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail65-db8 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail65-db8 (MessageSwitch) id 1371746651110457_29236; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DB8EHSMHS006.bigfish.com (unknown [10.174.8.237]) by mail65-db8.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539D1CC004B; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by DB8EHSMHS006.bigfish.com (10.174.4.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:43:44 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com (10.5.143.142) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:44:19 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.143.142]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:43:38 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Jay Laifman , "tigers@autox.team.net Den" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Odd advice from Edlebrock Thread-Index: Ac5tcnxEEUaWRNztRN6fpYpXTIDkfwAYbgAwAAAYG8A= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:43:36 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Odd advice from Edlebrock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Jay, If you're reading rich, then you're using up all the available oxygen by the time the fuel/air charge hits the O2 sensor, and there is in fact some unburnt fuel left. I can't see how getting the combustion going earlier would help that. Earlier combustion would give you lower exhaust temperatures, but I'm not sure how that would help your O2 readings either. I'm using a PLX wideband O2 sensor... you get much more direct information than what the earlier narrowband O2 sensors will give you, and they're not that expensive anymore. I have my gauge stuck where the ammeter usually goes so it's easily readable, with some silver tape wrapped around the bezel to dress it up ;) Theo ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 11:22:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E344044C for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:22:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B07403B9 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:22:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5KHIMR4024128; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:20:51 -0700 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b3d9) id dm0224.5192ebb6.4b81d6; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:20:40 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Smit, Theo'" , "'Jay Laifman'" , Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:20:34 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5tcnxEEUaWRNztRN6fpYpXTIDkfwAYbgAwAAAYG8AAAUFEIA== engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-20_07:2013-06-20,2013-06-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306200143 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Odd advice from Edlebrock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Probably the biggest problem with any O2 sensor is knowing what the actual voltage it is generating and what voltage the lights are triggered. The next problem could be has the O2 sensor aged and changed Vout, have components of the light bar changed and they trigger at a different Vin. You almost have to certify the system every few year to understand the readings. You also have to know what these voltages really mean. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Smit, Theo Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:44 PM To: Jay Laifman; tigers@autox.team.net Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Odd advice from Edlebrock Hi Jay, If you're reading rich, then you're using up all the available oxygen by the time the fuel/air charge hits the O2 sensor, and there is in fact some unburnt fuel left. I can't see how getting the combustion going earlier would help that. Earlier combustion would give you lower exhaust temperatures, but I'm not sure how that would help your O2 readings either. I'm using a PLX wideband O2 sensor... you get much more direct information than what the earlier narrowband O2 sensors will give you, and they're not that expensive anymore. I have my gauge stuck where the ammeter usually goes so it's easily readable, with some silver tape wrapped around the bezel to dress it up ;) Theo ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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Will Seay_____________ wseay@embarqmail.com "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:43 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Hood release Okay, a question/survey.............some cars came with a cable to release the hood and others with a rod. I have heard that the MK1's came with a rod and everything after came with a cable. When I got my MK1A over 20 yrs. ago it came with a rod. It's hard to believe that the cable had been switched for a rod because just about nothing on the car had been changed. It was as original as you could find. On Ebay there is a rod for sale that is claimed to come from a MK1A..... Item #251292299850 . So, the question is, did anyone else have an original MK 1A or MK11 that came with a rod rather than a cable? Mark L _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 13:05:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C314056E for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:05:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 50B87403B9 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:04:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 22762 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2013 19:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (67.202.159.29) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2013 19:03:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:02:28 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Odd advice from Edlebrock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well, I would want a bit more info before I waded deep into this. However, did the tech know you were dealing with a non EFI system? If so then on to the next item. Don't want to advance the dizzy because *you think there is a risk it will ping*? This is not a terribly complicated issue, changing the spark advance. Pull the vac hose to the dizzy, plug the hose so it does not leak air into the manifold or carb and change the timing by a couple of degrees. Mark where it was first. Put vacuum hose on and give it a ride to see how the AFR is doing. If unsuccessful, put it back. I think I would look for a vacuum leak somewhere although running rich (and that isn't really rich at all, bet power is at approximately 12.5:1), would seem to indicate that not much of an air leak. I seem to remember that the power valve was not removed during the float and jet change operations. Why not? They have a diaphragm and spring that permits them to open at some preset manifold vacuum level to add to the main jet flow. If there was one in the repair kit, might want to change to that new one. And if the secondaries, vacuum or mechanical?, are open a tad then that might cause a high idle which someone might correct with the primary idle air screws or the throttle setting screw. And if the floats are set too high wont that permit more fuel to enter the bowls and cause some over flow making it richer also? I think your main jets are a bit too big... It has been a long long time since I fiddled with a carb however.... mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 6/20/2013 9:36 AM, Teepen, Jere wrote: > Based on the response from the list I would guess we don't know the answer to > that question. Good Luck. > > Jere > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jay Laifman > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:56 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net Den > Subject: [Tigers] Odd advice from Edlebrock > > While I'm on the subject, I thought I'd mention what the tech guy at Edlebrock > told me. I determined that the narrow band air/gas meter on my car is an > Edlebrock. I called them to ask about how well it worked, and how to best > read it. I told him that it reads mostly with all 4 green lights on, sometimes > flickering the first of two yellow lights. That means it is running on the > rich side at 13:1+. He said that it would be better if I was only lighting > two of the green lights. He suggested that rather than first trying to change > jets in the carb, I try advancing the timing by 2 degrees. > > That sure sounded odd to me. Sure, perhaps timing could lean the car a > little. But, if I'm already at max advance based upon the risk of pinging, > which he would have no idea, doesn't that create greater issues to push the > advance up? > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 14:05:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D2E4051C for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:05:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD65403D8 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D57B0700028FF; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mla005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.83]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9FFC8E000081; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:03:29 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:03:29 -0400 (EDT) To: wseay@embarqmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371758609; bh=pSjSWYXqmRIU/DcYpxVbZWnIRMaUG7FDqMVM7TIhmFc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mExsZiTkqm4prlXZJFhaEUWvpyezifu4FLkZmOPCc046URMqr4KRY+5uVWEtdAehk QhsWnjL07idBcub2+8GbuDNGbD/0TI+gfSq9AMpMDSR7CQaZT4GUCZ/MZs9Irk4YJU s1vChT31xEHdMGb2oymupRzKZh0I4L6pkxjN9MNQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c51c360116a68 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood release Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the replies. The theory that 1A's never came with a rod seems to be incorrect. The parts book says the change occurred after #1826 and owners with cars are high as 1570 are saying theirs came with a rod. I was pretty sure that my #1369 had an original rod. Thanks for those that responded. Now I can get a good night's sleep :-)) Mark L In a message dated 6/20/2013 2:55:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wseay@embarqmail.com writes: Mark, My 1A (1570) came with a rod. Will Seay_____________ wseay@embarqmail.com "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:43 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Hood release Okay, a question/survey.............some cars came with a cable to release the hood and others with a rod. I have heard that the MK1's came with a rod and everything after came with a cable. When I got my MK1A over 20 yrs. ago it came with a rod. It's hard to believe that the cable had been switched for a rod because just about nothing on the car had been changed. It was as original as you could find. On Ebay there is a rod for sale that is claimed to come from a MK1A..... Item #251292299850 . So, the question is, did anyone else have an original MK 1A or MK11 that came with a rod rather than a cable? Mark L _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 14:06:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7675042732 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D234040A for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY169-W35 ([65.54.190.189]) by bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:04:10 -0700 From: Tiger Man To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:04:10 -0600 References: <000e01ce6304$27598400$760c8c00$@suddenlink.net> , <001201ce63aa$c8d75b30$5a861190$@suddenlink.net> FILETIME=[54288290:01CE6DF1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just thought I would post a followup in case anyone ever has a similar problem and goes searching through the emails. And also to thank people on the board for the help. I checked the ammeter, and it zero and calibration seemed very good (ignition off I think headlights showed about 10-12 amp discharge). As several people mentioned to me on the board, the petronix is particular about its voltage. Even though there are docs that say the 12V petronix will work down to 8V, the tech at pertonix mentioned that the module is very sensitive to low voltage, although he didn't comment on what 'low voltage' meant But just a partial discharge due to poor performing charging system and the headlights seems a bit oversensitive. I guess the module still worked, but having it cut out abruptly at night for a second is enough to make your heart stop for a second as well. I believe I still have a set of regular points hanging around in the car in case it ever dies on me completely. I found a new voltage regulator locally in stock in one (and only one) local auto zone. Most of the rest of the stores did not perform the parts lookup correctly online or even in the store there were alot of suggestions that weren't even close (used a 64 v8 falcon as my target vehicle). While looking at it and where it needed to go, I was thinking that the screw nearest the firewall was going to be a real pain and thought I would notch the voltage regulator so I didn't have to take the screw all the way out next time. Taking the old one out, and guess what the previous owner had thought the same thing and that old one was notched and much easier to slide out. Put the voltage regulator on the car, and followed the instructions to ensure polarization of the generator (field wire off and touch to bat terminal I believe, which is ford specific) and then fired the car up, and it charges great and the headlight no longer bring it into discharge, and the car no longer misses. So glad it was such a simple fix, but I think this is the first time I have seen a regulator that 'sort of' worked, I've always had them fail completely when they fail. Thanks, Steve > > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on > > > > Hi all, > > > > I thought I would mention this one to the list, make sure I am going > > in the right direction. If I start my tiger and run the RPM's up, My > > amp meter shows about a 5 Amp charge (until the battery is charged > > back up). If I turn my headlights on (with the RPM's up) it shows > > about a 3 Amp discharge. > > The other interesting side effect is while driving around with the > > headlights on, the car cuts out dramatically but momentarily... like > > the Pertronix ign module is browning out or something? > > > > Anyway, since it charges at all, I assume that means that the > > generator works, and that I should go look at the Voltage regulator > > first, and if that checks out, then move on to check the generator. I > > think I still have a used spare generator on the shelf. Will the > > local parts houses even know how to test those correctly anymore if I > > bring one down to them. > > > > Its been alot of years since I have had to work on a generator > > problem, so thought I would try to do the research on them. I did run > > across the comment about polarity/charge on the charging system, > > especially one that has sat > > around for a while. I had forgotten or never knew that, but since I am > > getting charge from my current system, I am more concerned with that > > on any generator I might have sitting on the shelf. > > > > Just thought it was odd that a discharge condition would cause the > > Pertronix module to brown out occasionally. Wanted to make sure that > > I shouldn't be looking at lighting system draw to ensure that don't > > have something weird that is actually causing a massive draw and just > > maxing out the Generator/regulator. > > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 14:22:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F95F4040A for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C104032A for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:21:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5KKIAX4028498; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:20:17 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018957a) id sj1-dm103.5192ebfe.4b7e48; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:20:13 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Tiger Man'" , Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:20:08 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5t8V8TQO53Zv0cTROSCchfZwhWoAAAXfUg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-20_08:2013-06-20,2013-06-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306200185 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I use to have the VR points foul and the voltage would drop to battery. I would stop, clear the points in the VR and be on my way until the voltage dropped again. I installed a volt meter so I knew immediately when the VR points fouled. Converting to an alternator system cleared that all up for me. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tiger Man Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:04 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger charging normally until you turn headlights on Just thought I would post a followup in case anyone ever has a similar problem and goes searching through the emails. And also to thank people on the board for the help. I checked the ammeter, and it zero and calibration seemed very good (ignition off I think headlights showed about 10-12 amp discharge). As several people mentioned to me on the board, the petronix is particular about its voltage. Even though there are docs that say the 12V petronix will work down to 8V, the tech at pertonix mentioned that the module is very sensitive to low voltage, although he didn't comment on what 'low voltage' meant But just a partial discharge due to poor performing charging system and the headlights seems a bit oversensitive. I guess the module still worked, but having it cut out abruptly at night for a second is enough to make your heart stop for a second as well. I believe I still have a set of regular points hanging around in the car in case it ever dies on me completely. I found a new voltage regulator locally in stock in one (and only one) local auto zone. Most of the rest of the stores did not perform the parts lookup correctly online or even in the store there were alot of suggestions that weren't even close (used a 64 v8 falcon as my target vehicle). While looking at it and where it needed to go, I was thinking that the screw nearest the firewall was going to be a real pain and thought I would notch the voltage regulator so I didn't have to take the screw all the way out next time. Taking the old one out, and guess what the previous owner had thought the same thing and that old one was notched and much easier to slide out. Put the voltage regulator on the car, and followed the instructions to ensure polarization of the generator (field wire off and touch to bat terminal I believe, which is ford specific) and then fired the car up, and it charges great and the headlight no longer bring it into discharge, and the car no longer misses. So glad it was such a simple fix, but I think this is the first time I have seen a regulator that 'sort of' worked, I've always had them fail completely when they fail. Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 14:24:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF23140690 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:24:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm37-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm37-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528AB4032A for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:23:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm37.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 20:22:20 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.209] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 20:22:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 20:22:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 4836 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jun 2013 20:22:20 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371759740; bh=A32We4P6c3ik8yuXpofFGVajZHlhfBQMDFC5lHvO+vk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=w9yeoccCOAx8DycXQQpTq8HXy53U72r9kvDbN8hkA08iK0jt/rDhu+7X79M+2McvZAUcw+8pnMkLYZ/fqqKjoqNn9eKEcP1ZscZek704JrDvAJxbo51qcFgk4Wgs2ijwvc7NmfKBAYthLKn5nuE80ImCgDCej8n2YXTwIb58LEU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GCv+S+VX7ZtVuVqkc5qUvWsWEtNY/Ec2YUbn+0LEKX8nNwRco8SEM1YztXbiifOqF3Quc5bc9XV1VZ0Yb3zdiWr91MNfDxxHFEOVHkjytxxoLCqRnsKJjm/uDnjviWBc2rCKQetW9RcoPPHdwcwqGN+EcFtxlPXOuPPT+ZUq4V8=; b81lv9vZvGwQvsqo41mitzukHj.KWJ1JOAYd0qzLkp5gWFfv1f.auSsivBWO rWWIETOrHoYqxF1vJoFYoFQ3XYx2ostoDPZpz.rD6hMkDOVesdON_eLyMU4Y EjNMCTjAEvnEtNIfajmJflj72eJe6w2ukF4WoSPIU5.v_5eFkxfRFa7vZteI ejBedBQhqaY4rmHZV0jDqeBXDnLWdXaeXLtN9E_ZD7rTfpVfw.d_rPRwXAj8 VNT7jDNiCG5taYp3qznXJrwOI16FRmNXpbuY1o4gEMrxNYkJC6EzCmYQLOz2 Y_ki8Jp_pQ76ph3saUYxnYI8UHyAQy7nnLSK.GWhLrEW3iGDz97po.FFOqBE OFmsHR3uHkWAjq8x9_jRNIb3T3CUfB_jH_0UFCQ4TbMC1xdtI5ntd04TmRaG nazb4_gu7QJO2gx1XcBVD_wldbFkD9dJGx4mlyAPp9RbUE500QBBjNTZsMuL zwPsAjtXG1ZxGjtfGfBNVHUR3UrZU4IKsx2_K Received: from [69.35.177.183] by web142602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:22:19 PDT SSBhbSB1c2luZyBkaWVzZWwgZnVlbCBpbiB0aGUgY3lsaW5kZXJzIHRvIHNlZSBpZiBJIGNhbiBicmVhayB0aGUgcGlzdG9ucyBsb29zZS4gV2hpbGUgSSBhbSB3YWl0aW5nIGZvciB0aGlzLCBJIGFtIHJlbW92aW5nIChwaG90b2dyYXBoaW5nIGFuZCBsYWJlbGluZykgY29tcG9uZW50cyBpbiBwcmVwYXJhdGlvbiBmb3IgYSBwcm9mZXNzaW9uYWwgcmVidWlsZC4gVGhlIHNob3Agc2F5cyB0aGF0IHdoYXRldmVyIEkgY2FuIGRvIHdpbGwgcmVkdWNlIHRoZWlyIGxhYm9yLCB0aHVzIHNhdmluZyBtZSBtb25leS4BMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:22:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Halgren To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I am using diesel fuel in the cylinders to see if I can break the pistons loose. While I am waiting for this, I am removing (photographing and labeling) components in preparation for a professional rebuild. The shop says that whatever I can do will reduce their labor, thus saving me money. I hate to spend the money, but I want things done once, and done right. My son-in-law wants to pull the engine up and out. While they do the rebuild, I will drain the transmission and clean it up. The rear end seems OK, but I will check it out as well. I also need to make sure the brakes will work safely. (If it won't go, there you are, but if it won't stop, then where are you?) Carl _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 14:33:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2148040411 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:33:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (fed1rmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9EF4032A for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:29:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo110 ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130620202746.CWIF3894.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110> for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:27:46 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([68.6.147.111]) by fed1rmimpo110 with cox id qkTl1l00Q2QSDzY01kTl7c; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:27:45 -0400 a=vCAN4TNpymDLnQuROd7hUQ==:17 a=xFrwVLZJWjEA:10 a=JwwbxNqMnikA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=WhmSMo4WcdUA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=TSb-Df8gv_66-0qJ5UkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=zWCM8XixLzaj-IXv:21 a=iytuBi5Ngief4Hw4:21 a=vCAN4TNpymDLnQuROd7hUQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:27:46 -0700 From: David Sosna User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Up a creek. Or wrapped around a tree. :-) Best Regards David Sosna On 06/20/2013 01:22 PM, Carl Halgren wrote: > I also need to make sure the brakes will work safely. (If it won't go, there you are, but if it won't stop, then where are you?) > > Carl > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 14:34:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F99940418 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F414032A for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.158] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 20:29:37 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.104] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 20:29:37 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.81] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 20:29:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 20:29:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 49974 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jun 2013 20:29:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371760176; bh=Q86ItUZArTcjBpTVnOx2NgBvB17O6ym7bKJbeU99g9U=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QPGgoBrH3M9IJi2l5ReW4dYq3YZuVJl/PfJZfXx9lvL4PC3BMfqN6s63uugKwey9hyfFiTZZHAtD3cVcnZ9GdT/5MeXyP4/MfGP/sBTsC3hrvyRAZkA4h2cyf9409egO+lQBisGyBXJGnRiK5CVRiDeACwOgXwNGb7cKwscqneA= s=s1024; d=bellsouth.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XHk0KCFvHcQR3KzAtk19j+Fz0Z4WOcnRvRqt2/sRx8RBYwRSDMjMcgirkatrHikfoWNAFALsqjJmO7QPvdYSIQ8cEQzAQxAppnjScJFBBTEjJIB0EFyF5VT1Ilnwqr4c8Cl7LuOeCx3MQywLxhQLIMzttnjVj4Mfxu6aZULypx4=; DhbQjTNpDhSBfjCSVqyJMwTr7qwtz_3tSnngblv_yaaCZOsj87_42woWrGVF riytADkVLXd2Z1bP_VU_cZvcYNgrbL.UfTlrgeero0OTx2O8KU.Aeg9LfXk8 PvLPI8bZv7NzKvKg2DcOSXiZ3sXOyBUQylqGWHUImZPKKxypkTbriLDuLN8r 5sOZF_I03U4.njWcFqXDlVRpUs13qLx3aXiIfMZsuced72rLv_hatd7soXMb a_mM84IobL54CI1q42Rkm.AafSW8yIGxkdqVras5eVp0kOtL7105dCIUT4xj lijU8Lo24MSZ2r27ex3WBdIHUCqTUaRWG9WD0heH7Y4E5oaIF2_oLT9C1uCF lNS4zMQxn34knV2BpHW6hiRR9Zp0czI1JC5dAqiD2azOqq7RZiZRnq0rC6xj 8R0WMoWT7lVqhtuRTY6ME9JD4YakUyhucx9IgG5am431l5TH0Toe2BI0K8Ov wEnvSknKiXIyAxBffxJSFk0VhBEPaV7DpIDoqLq7uxg74vtZRTK33WjaeOBq aN_uHLzN4py0foaRMiYaSO4V7z2nPK1_gnMVOtbKlOzUBiXlU6TD4tGJJa96 aYgPct9aTO8vuOPfL1F6WeHPmbFebqrSeX0WHr1FpB01HpYCAQrG.U9cksF3 GgUZK2hk94RLKY_FRiE4h6v7XfbdnBHQz2LZKSczppOXXKIk6_q770w-- Received: from [99.46.224.51] by web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:29:36 PDT V2VyZSBpdCBtZSBJIHdvdWxkIG5vdCBldmVuIHRoaW5rIG9mIGRyaXZpbmcgaXQgd2l0aG91dCBhIGNvbXBsZXRlIGJyYWtlIHJlYnVpbGQuLi4gYnJha2UgcGFydHMgYXJlIGNoZWFwIGNvbXBhcmVkIHRvIGJvZHkgd29yay4NCg0KLS0tIE9uIFRodSwgNi8yMC8xMywgQ2FybCBIYWxncmVuIDxjZ2hhbGdyZW5AeWFob28uY29tPiB3cm90ZToNCg0KDQpGcm9tOiBDYXJsIEhhbGdyZW4gPGNnaGFsZ3JlbkB5YWhvby5jb20.DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogW1RpZ2Vyc10gVGlnZXIgTUtJSSBDb21pbmcgb3V0IG9mIFMBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:29:36 -0700 (PDT) From: james ellis To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Were it me I would not even think of driving it without a complete brake rebuild... brake parts are cheap compared to body work. --- On Thu, 6/20/13, Carl Halgren wrote: From: Carl Halgren Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 4:22 PM I am using diesel fuel in the cylinders to see if I can break the pistons loose. While I am waiting for this, I am removing (photographing and labeling) components in preparation for a professional rebuild. The shop says that whatever I can do will reduce their labor, thus saving me money. I hate to spend the money, but I want things done once, and done right. My son-in-law wants to pull the engine up and out. While they do the rebuild, I will drain the transmission and clean it up. The rear end seems OK, but I will check it out as well. I also need to make sure the brakes will work safely. (If it won't go, there you are, but if it won't stop, then where are you?) Carl _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/hunber@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 14:50:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA724043B for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:50:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224A9403D8 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:50:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5KKm8wm020892; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:48:57 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018957a) id dm0213.5192ebd3.4a1e22; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:48:50 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Carl Halgren'" , Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:48:44 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5t8+P/ZciQyk+LTrO14WIku/QKnQAAvYsg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-20_08:2013-06-20,2013-06-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306200191 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Carl Although the Shop Manual shows pulling the engine out the top, it can be easier to drop it out the bottom. I nearly did this by myself but a friend stop over just as I had dropped the engine onto a very short rolling platform. We then tilted the body up, rolled it back and over the engine. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl Halgren Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:22 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MKII Coming out of Storage I am using diesel fuel in the cylinders to see if I can break the pistons loose. While I am waiting for this, I am removing (photographing and labeling) components in preparation for a professional rebuild. The shop says that whatever I can do will reduce their labor, thus saving me money. I hate to spend the money, but I want things done once, and done right. My son-in-law wants to pull the engine up and out. While they do the rebuild, I will drain the transmission and clean it up. The rear end seems OK, but I will check it out as well. I also need to make sure the brakes will work safely. (If it won't go, there you are, but if it won't stop, then where are you?) Carl _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6426 - Release Date: 06/20/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 14:56:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44AC40511 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:56:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7CA403D8 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 87E4770040ABE for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqd003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.9]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1288EE000081 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:54:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:54:44 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371761685; bh=VJTFsh6qjSPDqr6yOuLALXPxqmR0Ia4o5AwzpHU0+fQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ItFqBz2UUOkucK9kbSpjlAs28J6tGe+G6pzQSc7FMKc91w+atxB+NdJcVy662VMx1 aAr60wz4yj4APWNZCDfPPvWPzt+/kjG0Qs9pREvT5qlCwJGayobaBrpZBIR8JKIIeL tFPR2AFvK9XTz/oyg2m1nEdta3q+dCBgfVS5HSSo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a51c36c1575d2 Subject: [Tigers] Mk 11 Sleeping Rip Van Winkle car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, My notes: 1) re-line the rear brake shoes. Modern shoes don't fit really well (I threw my old ones out. Duh...) 2) plan on sending your brake Servo out to be rebuilt. I had mine done after trying several times. I still screwed it up. Pro did it right. Guy in NH or Bill Munroe in CA 3) check your cam drive gear to make sure yours has iron/steel construction. Older ones had nylon teeth and it took out my engine. CHECK YOURS ! 4) Think about what new tires you want. 13's are original, but there are wider choices with 14's and 15's You'll get lots of opinions here. 5) Plan on a better fan and for the $ 100 it takes, get the new alum. pulley to spin it faster. 6) Clean out your gas tanks, fuel system and change the points on your fuel pump. Replace fuel filters. Do it right so you don't have flaking paint for eons in the fuel system. 7) Go through all your grounds. Think about a new battery. You've got some time but think out direction. Hope this helps. More later Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 17:55:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A71403FA for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C265403F2 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:55:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id e15so5256592vbg.31 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:53:35 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=9pfvD8NLACD2lcFHCFzIWN00T4aVjTU47SHFVPG5jcU=; b=azVn0wMZ0IN2oYyZc2FEuGaSOIsswG59+irC4gxOIqD/6SaGbgO0V9qZ9Z0X3Jdirz X9qErKYGJjvjsBsb3n5z7P6omlzzFI0PR7ws96yc4BtPCcXDi59IjyYpycP/Gfbu8DeM /3EtkQZBQUPIFWm7HRCXe9wB3diT1y4vn+xsrTpQW62zUgKRBsbb0TFWBX9OeQgOyddR Z4igCa9bLBW6YSzas5JlgL0RipBxK2ssxQU7MPfxaM4ySUO1eem2nqgBp+vDb0Qh9y+y aQa6HHSFYn7r0vkdvkwSW6p0/ISVhZ1jjkYQOcHlz5RnJWa4uS9x+38kRy67i/smONNp lgGQ== fo4mr4407027vec.55.1371772414985; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Dell670 (108-82-253-88.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net. [108.82.253.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id sw5sm3157480vdc.4.2013.06.20.16.53.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:53:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert D. Hogan" To: Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 19:53:41 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5tbj6En+hMQSA2RciOTgTYohnd4QAmGQxwAAKfcVA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] FW: OEM vs Wilwood brake performance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net FYI From: Wilwood Customer Reply [mailto:customerreply@wilwood.com] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:37 PM To: 'Robert D. Hogan' Subject: RE: OEM vs Wilwood brake performance Thank you for the inquiry with Wilwood Disc Brakes. Wilwood did not directly test the stopping distance on the Sunbeam Tiger, we do not have that data. Regards, Wilwood Disc Brakes From: Robert D. Hogan [mailto:robertdhogan@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:26 PM To: customerreply@wilwood.com Subject: OEM vs Wilwood brake performance Does Wilwood have any comparable stopping distance information of a Sunbeam Tiger OEM stock disc/drum brake system performance and the Wilwood brake kit performance? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 18:42:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA0940439 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:42:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f50.google.com (mail-pa0-f50.google.com [209.85.220.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348B740396 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:41:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id fb1so6889223pad.23 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:40:20 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=64dqBwocbHSw/UvposdqibUG2xURIN1kIfQa5PqK7Vo=; b=ai2EUJwd3QEjJE29FwjfTUt6qj1TNlIdfDidqFmMYO1y/u6gdBHJ7EYQN2jgzqdewp KNkdDHGgMnAB2F033r1NXl4GK6YOthLSHQm6TplXhc/OBuNpyUqJ9kPOW5jo3PMKsGsM Zcrl5bCXyBGf8t7TIlYFjoDFY3NZY/lEL0hyyBlG5djfgd5WkqPJd4w/61bAg/RMhryC yxPDGKgYIwDYe1v81khZr7Ybexrmts7t7DZtAHoIv1AJhbssRNVyZ74b21hmTvgMgC+7 8PiTLcJ95QDAOsr2SqFWGTO5ex+861mjmmU2N+TPina9/oyk/CkkBpkhwwICkFz+5rrO CzrQ== js5mr9797194pbc.22.1371775219771; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.231.98 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:40:19 -0700 (PDT) References: <002f01ce6e11$65035660$2f0a0320$@com> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:40:19 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: "Robert D. Hogan" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: OEM vs Wilwood brake performance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm sure someone mentioned this in this discussion but the point of 'big brakes' is not to stop quicker but to stop more times without brake fade due to heat. The vast majority of road drivers would never experience this as there are not many roads around that can accommodate such aggressive driving outside of competition. Since you can easily lock the front wheels with stock brakes (even with 245 toyo r888s), bigger brakes won't help you stop quicker. The biggest factor in the stopping that you can control is the size and compound of the tires. On Thursday, June 20, 2013, Robert D. Hogan wrote: > FYI > > > > From: Wilwood Customer Reply [mailto:customerreply@wilwood.com > ] > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:37 PM > To: 'Robert D. Hogan' > Subject: RE: OEM vs Wilwood brake performance > > > > Thank you for the inquiry with Wilwood Disc Brakes. Wilwood did not > directly > test the stopping distance on the Sunbeam Tiger, we do not have that data. > > > > Regards, > Wilwood Disc Brakes > > > > From: Robert D. Hogan [mailto:robertdhogan@gmail.com ] > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:26 PM > To: customerreply@wilwood.com > Subject: OEM vs Wilwood brake performance > > > > Does Wilwood have any comparable stopping distance information of a Sunbeam > Tiger OEM stock disc/drum brake system performance and the Wilwood brake > kit > performance? > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 21 05:08:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA304056E for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 05:08:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4379E40405 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 05:07:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo209 ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130621110533.BOEK3871.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo209> for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 07:05:33 -0400 Received: from laptop ([68.229.231.4]) by eastrmimpo209 with cox id qz5Y1l00D06M2ss01z5YZy; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 07:05:33 -0400 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=yuzDbMsNBzwA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=jSL0nCZoRDq0KwmpzEMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=uGhCt99ujXdALsgi:21 a=Ak2yLYsdwFvI8_bZ:21 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=awtiger@cox.net From: "Andy Walker" To: , , References: Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 06:05:30 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIclOBTS1C1zbFE72V3HjEfy1qtwpijtBIg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood release Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mark: If it helps, my Mk1A #1600 has a hood release rod instead of a cable. I'm not the original owner, however, so I can't say that it came that way. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 3:03 PM To: wseay@embarqmail.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood release Thanks for the replies. The theory that 1A's never came with a rod seems to be incorrect. The parts book says the change occurred after #1826 and owners with cars are high as 1570 are saying theirs came with a rod. I was pretty sure that my #1369 had an original rod. Thanks for those that responded. Now I can get a good night's sleep :-)) Mark L In a message dated 6/20/2013 2:55:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wseay@embarqmail.com writes: Mark, My 1A (1570) came with a rod. Will Seay_____________ wseay@embarqmail.com "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:43 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Hood release Okay, a question/survey.............some cars came with a cable to release the hood and others with a rod. I have heard that the MK1's came with a rod and everything after came with a cable. When I got my MK1A over 20 yrs. ago it came with a rod. It's hard to believe that the cable had been switched for a rod because just about nothing on the car had been changed. It was as original as you could find. On Ebay there is a rod for sale that is claimed to come from a MK1A..... Item #251292299850 . So, the question is, did anyone else have an original MK 1A or MK11 that came with a rod rather than a cable? Mark L _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 21 10:07:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685FE40E52 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 10:07:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm21.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm21.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF5B403F0 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 10:07:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.199] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2013 16:05:35 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.96] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2013 16:05:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2013 16:05:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 58385 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jun 2013 16:05:34 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371830734; bh=hGPf/wcOh9DStOks3Tx5oCvL60cRB5jKFRBTCaZant8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=puoFBB57uAbEqSLpFFrF1oEwC52nDLUQyYrXGHlv4aO/Uu1QGl8h5mUjP9aAWtx6aKLLZMwhsnNWVroMtDBcTYKUHuVO795tXTDMp7QSrckmZJ3tHAWOGLTss3b1pHs/BQmL5w9soMOku4Onf/vI5+1+zWdGbPbmH7XqUtXHEGI= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fjiVi/ohtDDHdxbF3OPjbmiShvHYySNJsYYRx7TVcz6TGzDG23Q/5cQIpdXUmiosqEIZ8bmK9vzrKugQnA42lJcEvdfroB1Kl0GNoHrE1YovCcU7SXHm6l53R+x3KY5aLpsW+E4icuvyB8M9kjtWN9pKaYPpTW8sCTFnusq32w4=; GocrsKuS7wKUduN6IFJz6nm7YhG85mDpxz6c.FnMYOwcl15K_1o55BWgY4Hd Ay2BZrrU8ShqCWMMhbj31kfQyswrgzqs6wf6NE_fX3ZsULsb.kkPZXGZcoSl ZvfyGDLO242AV0LcWopOn3hHF0GaxYQduJ06tdlf5QmzyOW6fLzl9lqybhR_ TFS7px_nbFuRi0TMQbh2WhLnRHqVZimtzQJ2MQNL_5q9Qgf1YeqwaFW1YUU9 4Dkx6qrmspcAUCjgi8hQ7.qX0sg4PrQ_HP.KMoE82fjuLiBRnkhp.WFRwb5F q9EzpIdZHYYpHkmWefoxdUmHwFLIJKxCNS_c0rs.wdt1Eypk.z7zzm_MPcEU ZYAI5PjU4hmJeQMO5d7czfZ_Njdgd2Wim1pxZgphrU2dfg6gKqu4K8W.Y4I8 5jMul0ghnpM_ZaBvcnfUAv5mso8kOSMawxjvYQUzfNMaYV2dgZ67wic4axcJ 1ea8vhId6zwg.vYq6ufE9c6fHGlE5QLhzb7wSsULTGTRNX7u38da8d1yfKee fohMhIx5rrAS0tMoXZt3EYdUb1RNY_1scx.ggqXJfVLAWAD3jWw-- Received: from [107.223.50.75] by web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 09:05:34 PDT SSB3b3VsZCBub3QgZ2F1Z2UgYWJpbGl0eSB0byBsb2NrIHRoZSBicmFrZSBhcyBhbiBpbmRpY2F0b3IgZm9yIGdvb2QgYnJha2VzIGF0IAphbGwuIEkgaGF2ZSBkb25lIHRoZSBXaWx3b29kIGNvbnZlcnNpb24gb24gbXkgNjUnIE11c3RhbmcgYW5kIHByaW9yIHRvIGl0LCAKaXTCoGNvdWxkIGxvY2sgdGhlIHN0b2NrICdEcnVtJyBmcm9udCBicmFrZXMgaW5zdGFudGx5LiBJIGFsc28gaGFkIGEgNjYgSy1Db2RlIApNdXN0YW5nIHdpdGggRGlzYyBicmFrZXMgd2l0aCBzaW1pbGFyIGFjdGlvbi4gQWZ0ZXIgdGgBMAEBAQE- References: <002f01ce6e11$65035660$2f0a0320$@com> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 09:05:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Sandy Ganz To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: OEM vs Wilwood brake performance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I would not gauge ability to lock the brake as an indicator for good brakes at all. I have done the Wilwood conversion on my 65' Mustang and prior to it, it could lock the stock 'Drum' front brakes instantly. I also had a 66 K-Code Mustang with Disc brakes with similar action. After the swap on the drum brake car with 13" rotors and larger calipers, it felt like I could stop in half the distance and do it in a more controlled manner (yes, tires were different). I will comment also on the ability to modulate the larger brakes and it also helps the stopping distance and control vs. just locking the brakes up. I can't remember if the Tiger caliper is floating or not, but fix mount calipers also provide better and less mushy feedback to the pedal, someone also mentioned this, and it's my findings too. I also do not believe that a locked up tire has the maximum traction, and I think this is where better brake control comes into play to shorten the stopping distance. Tires are very important to the equation, but it's a system of components and it's all important from the rubber to the brakes and suspension. One thing to watch out for on some of the 'Brake Upgrades' is the replacement of a good sized caliper and brake sweep area with one that is much less. Wilwood has a bunch of kits for larger cars that replace, for example, a single piston GM caliper with huge pad surface area with one that is tiny (Like many kits that use the Dynalite caliper). This is typically not a good 'upgrade'. For cars like the tiger with it's tiny wheels and solid disk rotor the smaller calipers (like Dynalites) are likely fine (bigger tire/rim and bigger VENTED rotor is better). Again if you use your Tiger to just put around town, not much reason to mess with it, if you are a 'spirited driver' you can do much better with the brakes. My Tiger has the stock breaks and they are not in great shape due to age but they work fine for a trip to the store. Would not want to ever get them on the track in the state they are in. Some early morning ramblings Sandy ________________________________ From: Owain Lloyd To: Robert D. Hogan Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Thu, June 20, 2013 5:40:55 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: OEM vs Wilwood brake performance I'm sure someone mentioned this in this discussion but the point of 'big brakes' is not to stop quicker but to stop more times without brake fade due to heat. The vast majority of road drivers would never experience this as there are not many roads around that can accommodate such aggressive driving outside of competition. Since you can easily lock the front wheels with stock brakes (even with 245 toyo r888s), bigger brakes won't help you stop quicker. The biggest factor in the stopping that you can control is the size and compound of the tires. On Thursday, June 20, 2013, Robert D. Hogan wrote: > FYI > > > > From: Wilwood Customer Reply [mailto:customerreply@wilwood.com > ] > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:37 PM > To: 'Robert D. Hogan' > Subject: RE: OEM vs Wilwood brake performance > > > > Thank you for the inquiry with Wilwood Disc Brakes. Wilwood did not > directly > test the stopping distance on the Sunbeam Tiger, we do not have that data. > > > > Regards, > Wilwood Disc Brakes > > > > From: Robert D. Hogan [mailto:robertdhogan@gmail.com ] > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:26 PM > To: customerreply@wilwood.com > Subject: OEM vs Wilwood brake performance > > > > Does Wilwood have any comparable stopping distance information of a Sunbeam > Tiger OEM stock disc/drum brake system performance and the Wilwood brake > kit > performance? > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 21 10:49:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756C342707 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 10:49:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2887F40397 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 10:48:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 7373 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2013 16:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (67.202.159.29) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2013 16:46:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 09:45:57 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <002f01ce6e11$65035660$2f0a0320$@com> <1371830734.42828.YahooMailRC@web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: OEM vs Wilwood brake performance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My engineering sources says that maximum braking occurs when there is a 20% slippage rate. Ie, if the tires are spinning at 100 mph then best braking occurs at 80 mph apparent speed. All the way to near zero speed... Ditto for acceleration. Best grip on the surface comes at that amount of slippage. There is another factor involved as well, but we'll save that for a later day... mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 6/21/2013 9:05 AM, Sandy Ganz wrote: > I would not gauge ability to lock the brake as an indicator for good brakes at > all. I have done the Wilwood conversion on my 65' Mustang and prior to it, > it could lock the stock 'Drum' front brakes instantly. I also had a 66 K-Code > Mustang with Disc brakes with similar action. After the swap on the drum brake > car with 13" rotors and larger calipers, it felt like I could stop in half the > distance and do it in a more controlled manner (yes, tires were different). I > will comment also on the ability to modulate the larger brakes and it also > helps > the stopping distance and control vs. just locking the brakes up. I > can't > remember if the Tiger caliper is floating or not, but fix mount > calipers also > provide better and less mushy feedback to the pedal, someone > also mentioned > this, and it's my findings too. I also do not believe that a > locked up tire has > the maximum traction, and I think this is where better > brake control comes into > play to shorten the stopping distance. Tires are > very important to the equation, > but it's a system of components and it's all > important from the rubber to the > brakes and suspension. > > > One thing to watch > out for on some of the 'Brake Upgrades' is the replacement of > a good sized > caliper and brake sweep area with one that is much less. Wilwood > has a bunch > of kits for larger cars that replace, for example, a single piston > GM caliper > with huge pad surface area with one that is tiny (Like many kits that > use the > Dynalite caliper). This is typically not a good 'upgrade'. For cars like > the > tiger with it's tiny wheels and solid disk rotor the smaller calipers (like > Dynalites) are likely fine (bigger tire/rim and bigger VENTED rotor is > better). > > > Again if you use your Tiger to just put around town, not much > reason to mess > with it, if you are a 'spirited driver' you can do much better > with the brakes. > My Tiger has the stock breaks and they are not in great > shape due to age but > they work fine for a trip to the store. Would not want > to ever get them on the > track in the state they are in. > > Some early morning > ramblings > > Sandy > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Owain Lloyd > > To: Robert D. Hogan > Cc: > "tigers@autox.team.net" > Sent: Thu, June 20, 2013 > 5:40:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: OEM vs Wilwood brake performance > > I'm > sure someone mentioned this in this discussion but the point of 'big > brakes' > is not to stop quicker but to stop more times without brake fade > due to heat. > The vast majority of road drivers would never experience > this as there are not > many roads around that can accommodate such > aggressive driving outside of > competition. > > Since you can easily lock the front wheels with stock brakes > (even with > 245 toyo r888s), bigger brakes won't help you stop quicker. > > The > biggest factor in the stopping that you can control is the size and > compound > of the tires. > > On Thursday, June 20, 2013, Robert D. Hogan wrote: > >> FYI >> >> >> >> From: Wilwood Customer Reply [mailto:customerreply@wilwood.com >> ] >> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:37 PM >> To: 'Robert D. Hogan' >> Subject: > RE: OEM vs Wilwood brake performance >> >> >> Thank you for the inquiry with > Wilwood Disc Brakes. Wilwood did not >> directly >> test the stopping distance > on the Sunbeam Tiger, we do not have that data. >> >> >> Regards, >> Wilwood > Disc Brakes >> >> >> From: Robert D. Hogan [mailto:robertdhogan@gmail.com > ] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:26 PM >> To: > customerreply@wilwood.com >> Subject: OEM vs Wilwood brake > performance >> >> >> Does Wilwood have any comparable stopping distance > information of a Sunbeam >> Tiger OEM stock disc/drum brake system performance > and the Wilwood brake >> kit >> performance? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 21 12:24:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E2D40447 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:24:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462DB403F0 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:24:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MOR00GOR9PIHFI0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:22:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <1C04AA8E52B0442D9F898C0A7C636E48@ronpc1> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:22:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bizarre Running Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If for some reason the choke is holding up (or laying "softly") on the second to last step..., and you unknowingly set your idle there, - then a long drive may eventually generate just enough (additional) heat to move the choke off the steps and drop the idle to the point of stall. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 21 16:01:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC57E42709 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:01:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF59403BA for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:01:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id r9pz1l0071ZMdJ4AB9zjoP; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:59:43 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id r9zj1l00j2yr1eL8c9zj01; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:59:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:59:43 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Tiger List s=q20121106; t=1371851983; bh=jUaNIPNPCfu3JRM1jffE2R0N92ky0r+gLBJpYXE9kRQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Th5p6vxPE1Nloay0m1tJg3UaavYYXLilPYTzHh3nM9sGmgaryuJG2jnClrcCuPXHT GkIpT200QT688u4MRBIDQTZnurPbA/UUgFGFiMM25FzCrCFz+cQv7nssO3Cf9NvlcI hzyhCry6B9NGvkmyU7uIPilAceMB4vHjWWdDiy/UHCjwEUdzhyUO7fMu2ANS8cwAOy noXh0oftJMW6bQVNk7j+x4A53Bo2PNIP9psofpttztFf9SZY/kbhgfBo2hX62IuBVv 2Lir3mZTh5i1pRQQ/jaIyBH5RZt56znLG3lkV7GvPkInoaIHUWQvv5yHBrxOkqovnC KuPmVODSeulwA== Subject: [Tigers] Tiger tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net So now that we know all about brake theory and upgrades... What about the current state of TIRES? I was shocked to find that 13 inch tires are all but done for. All you can now get are cheap "economy car" tires or one single type of street legal race tire that costs $600 per set. Nothing in between. And I was finally going to actually drive my Tiger some again... and my 1993 tires are really bad... sooo... Mike Wood, did you solve the 15 inch wheel search? Any ideas? Gary _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 21 18:20:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E3B40560 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 18:20:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D034035A for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 18:19:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id q12so6552736vbe.13 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:18:04 -0700 (PDT) h=return-receipt-to:from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=9YgQkJ13thzwfWsmD9Rn25fF6W2EuF9HYM3OkJ+6+rU=; b=y4HmDdlTWWLAF0sezjVW4fyS+FYyHAyAsjEzbVpzt1XJjMAQviHSG8dAKApwROlM+r 4L4OeNxjt7dnUa4TsdRhtaHkf+XjvAtIjqDXgx34rvwmUJivTb7zQorrdoQHjUtnS03b d/3m5yL6koG/hrhNqyGIM6r/NqD+nB/8wmTz+JOnLtBKlmGqFZngvr3X7+PsE4Le4ZAC L6LQ+AYhC2JxZgSlnQBXby5+Xj6O5Sqpvp1ptBQEF/YRmdx3NuUtY0AfGiupEDETMugT DmA6cHx4CRwb0Yn8VusuQT65QDaMsCx/EvrWMXcyMKAwY2bb87LoN7cL4VU04Tl5sVWy p7Qg== p17mr208186vdj.51.1371860284081; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Dell670 (108-82-253-88.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net. [108.82.253.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id no3sm8022796veb.4.2013.06.21.17.18.02 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:18:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert D. Hogan" To: "Tigers List" References: <1182593384.474035.1371851983503.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 20:18:00 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5uyq1I290eC2rGQHidqN7frDs6zwAEKFHg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Actually, I think the discussion on brakes revealed that while there is no quantitative date on brake upgrades the 11.75" diameter slotted disks from Wilwood are subjectively worth the cost. I also would be interested to know what tire combinations in 15" or 16" wheel sizes, preferably with tires that nearly match the original wheel & tire circumference, would be useful on street, track or autocross course. Cost is another issue entirely. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Winblad Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:00 PM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Tiger tires So now that we know all about brake theory and upgrades... What about the current state of TIRES? I was shocked to find that 13 inch tires are all but done for. All you can now get are cheap "economy car" tires or one single type of street legal race tire that costs $600 per set. Nothing in between. And I was finally going to actually drive my Tiger some again... and my 1993 tires are really bad... sooo... Mike Wood, did you solve the 15 inch wheel search? Any ideas? Gary _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robertdhogan@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 21 18:29:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E4942713 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 18:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849974035A for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 18:25:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1F872700308DA; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 20:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfd005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfd005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.120.93]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B567DE000085; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 20:23:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 20:23:34 -0400 (EDT) To: robertdhogan@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371860615; bh=o4f5TDqvl6EAVYiEK+gYt10+VUaT6uZ4CJHDeT66EZk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qVRnNw6X85dKrp5oMF52UoG2l/F2tptndnxxzl2tirfVGV4Sj3NSIAUbbwa/4LucP AS+EBW6lj3zb6jgD0x3Go5amynxnyYCBqhHWEDkEJmXdWwRr4+NS2e47IeMk2L03G+ 6eDEJb2jij0LwalG/IZaJpVDpdhx9gDxylApZB7s= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c951c4ee8659f7 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html In a message dated 6/21/2013 5:18:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, robertdhogan@gmail.com writes: Actually, I think the discussion on brakes revealed that while there is no quantitative date on brake upgrades the 11.75" diameter slotted disks from Wilwood are subjectively worth the cost. I also would be interested to know what tire combinations in 15" or 16" wheel sizes, preferably with tires that nearly match the original wheel & tire circumference, would be useful on street, track or autocross course. Cost is another issue entirely. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Winblad Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:00 PM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Tiger tires So now that we know all about brake theory and upgrades... What about the current state of TIRES? I was shocked to find that 13 inch tires are all but done for. All you can now get are cheap "economy car" tires or one single type of street legal race tire that costs $600 per set. Nothing in between. And I was finally going to actually drive my Tiger some again... and my 1993 tires are really bad... sooo... Mike Wood, did you solve the 15 inch wheel search? Any ideas? Gary _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robertdhogan@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 21 18:29:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386504275A for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 18:29:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38DD4035A for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 18:29:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MOR00GL7QLNBI60@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:27:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <1182593384.474035.1371851983503.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:27:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yes! I was looking at the Tire Rack site about a month ago for my son's Civic (16" for him) and took a glance at the 13" tire selection - or lack of. The reasonably price Sumitumo HTR-200's were GONE!!! Not only do the Cosmic wheels on my Tiger take 13," but the Rallye wheels on my Turbo Pinto, and the American (Manufacture), period correct wheels, on my Datsun 510 also. Too bad many drive around on forklift like tires mounted on wagon wheels these days (xxx-35-20"). Tom > So now that we know all about brake theory and upgrades... > > What about the current state of TIRES? > > I was shocked to find that 13 inch tires are all but done for. All you > can now get are > cheap "economy car" tires or one single type of street legal race tire > that costs > $600 per set. Nothing in between. And I was finally going to actually > drive my Tiger > some again... and my 1993 tires are really bad... sooo... > > Mike Wood, did you solve the 15 inch wheel search? > > Any ideas? > Gary _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 21 19:45:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6427B42710 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:45:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f171.google.com (mail-ve0-f171.google.com [209.85.128.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85FBC40358 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:44:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f171.google.com with SMTP id b10so7041104vea.2 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 18:42:38 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=gANDXEYOOmCjzo1aa1dMGCdvabhH3kiywCuMADRmLFk=; b=oH0E098kLT31waRHSdAU/Ghthjcuvx30tHFLPjB+0XhgvN5CEw9vEGN/PKFUWzT3rs 3JqUkzOinbHuaLeP8ehMq78QUMNiNyjUnl3Y4MrTMUupaOEFAOnw5kKTsqh1LL2p6zPx rW+LyzDxsKA0Ed3PNyfd2CiS65Xdxy2Oz+8Xrn9HYr5hJH7XBodHOtPhLdnVii1CcEHl j674UKKsfMBImgE1XNhjOE6Up42VQ/rpx9dfXuf5vFX8JXpj3Yw7MAuWZ1mgN60/GJ0c 1vxyZPlXCKefcGhbocdCWsWm0gBL8frVa64XHOTQgQ/AEa7sOR+Oa0+49sJLy7FV32TS G74g== c10mr1467564vdj.97.1371865358668; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 18:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Dell670 (108-82-253-88.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net. [108.82.253.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q2sm8316071vef.3.2013.06.21.18.42.37 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 21 Jun 2013 18:42:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert D. Hogan" To: "Tigers List" References: <1182593384.474035.1371851983503.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <2CCC95391DBB4EBAB38FA4C8A54CFFE6@your4dacd0ea75> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:42:36 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5u6ASpS3C4soRpTAG/qmB9+wdpKAAARN0g Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Summit Racing even has a Coker/Michelin 235/45VR13 that are as wide as the (rear) BFG TA Radials tires of old but the list price is over $330 each. -----Original Message----- From: Tony McNulty [mailto:bamcnulty@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:30 PM To: Robert D. Hogan Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires Looks like Goodyear R5's and Avons for 13" x 6" wheels -- little "fat" for stock rims, but work on my 6" BWA's. The R5 tire may be a bit tall for the front. Goodyear also made (or makes) a Y6 that's pretty "low" -- makes it look like the Tiger's going down the street on its elbows -- but really a "mean" look. Not worth two hoots in the wet over 60 mph -- the car will hydroplane, but really grabby on dry pavement. They definitely lower the car a bit and will "just" clear the front fender lip in front. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert D. Hogan" To: "Tigers List" Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires > Actually, I think the discussion on brakes revealed that while there is no > quantitative date on brake upgrades the 11.75" diameter slotted disks from > Wilwood are subjectively worth the cost. > > I also would be interested to know what tire combinations in 15" or 16" > wheel sizes, preferably with tires that nearly match the original wheel & > tire circumference, would be useful on street, track or autocross course. > Cost is another issue entirely. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Gary Winblad > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:00 PM > To: Tiger List > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger tires > > So now that we know all about brake theory and upgrades... > > What about the current state of TIRES? > > I was shocked to find that 13 inch tires are all but done for. All you > can > now get are cheap "economy car" tires or one single type of street legal > race tire that costs > $600 per set. Nothing in between. And I was finally going to actually > drive my Tiger some again... and my 1993 tires are really bad... sooo... > > Mike Wood, did you solve the 15 inch wheel search? > > Any ideas? > Gary > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robertdhogan@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bamcnulty@optonline.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 22 08:11:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC16940424 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:11:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45444032B for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 57785700000BC for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 10:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mle002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.199]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 28BB7E000083 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 10:09:22 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 10:09:22 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371910162; bh=E/NYfptF25W1+9imNrbAMNCNILLL7psuCisZSkBafeA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ansMrnfe2ceDiwizt7uld5aEdgAcymVb/0hQYCN6wUDpvHgEOYkoYNepCwb3secx5 U8IocULtwh22iXc9vmmdS4eqWvu7u+lanwqcxyQG6V4Ofrdx0UMzROPmjyC0sNjfNl pnHqLvTDW5qZYcYUNKKFV7K9t1AzsWeyM+Dl/YhY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d51c5b0125c58 Subject: [Tigers] Flying Tiger- Non Tiger content Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A little bigger fan attached to the hood, a second fan attached to the trunk lid........................................hmmm. http://wimp.com/flyingbike/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 22 08:30:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9F04056D for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:30:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.air-internet.com (cumulus.air-internet.com [12.110.32.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 308D24035A for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:27:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 31486 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2013 14:25:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (67.202.159.29) by cumulus.air-internet.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2013 14:25:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 07:25:03 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <120aa3.2abeb026.3ef70a11@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Flying Tiger- Non Tiger content Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well, now, that is just plain cool! mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 6/22/2013 7:09 AM, CoolVT@aol.com wrote: > A little bigger fan attached to the hood, a second fan attached to the > trunk lid........................................hmmm. > > http://wimp.com/flyingbike/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 22 13:55:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3DBC40451 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:55:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com (mail-pb0-f43.google.com [209.85.160.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5A94038B for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:54:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id md12so9281108pbc.2 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 12:53:12 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SyMMXTNEWwVukhBzlufEdLwUWeOu3y2zly/f/s2OHWA=; b=BEUsNAV1S00PUOkOGgOE8dXiz7opRo3qOrPnb6Msxq4cgqLvLFeN0PA0GKl0TGvEry C/oPEgoEGI98WM4FCEU+ZPdtsxgmaXrIsjUfCMsksZS5CWqblG0PhoNBF7h0+qwBwesc oRfRR49c7gFUSx+Y67ed9LQ5gpxGaa7xV62B+pF+mkaRrG26FCltBz+hM0VUPhct7/dB S/D8UXDQXdmGPIJJ01SXZoM4Nz4idGvwzxPSg4yfmuPVS9Ry0EyerBH9Zth/trgOP1iI PLVvOvB2M9YNmfHXMSPkC0hNaEYOJSLNAzApQM1QQ3vRR3jo8+5QQJMeB+8uw9P7JBQ/ kTjQ== ka4mr17174237pbc.162.1371930792701; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 12:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.231.98 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 12:53:12 -0700 (PDT) References: <1182593384.474035.1371851983503.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <2CCC95391DBB4EBAB38FA4C8A54CFFE6@your4dacd0ea75> <001101ce6ee9$c641cf00$52c56d00$@com> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 15:53:12 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: "Robert D. Hogan" Cc: Tigers List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The toyos on tirerack are a great tire. They can even shave them for you. There does seem to be very limited choice in the US. If you check out the UK sites mytyres.co.uk and camskill.co.uk you will find a huge selection of 13 inch from cheap to top dollar (or top pound anyway). Shipping would not be that expensive when you consider you save the 20% sales tax. They also make quite comfortable checked in baggage if you are flying... On Friday, June 21, 2013, Robert D. Hogan wrote: > Summit Racing even has a Coker/Michelin 235/45VR13 that are as wide as the > (rear) BFG TA Radials tires of old but the list price is over $330 each. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony McNulty [mailto:bamcnulty@optonline.net ] > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:30 PM > To: Robert D. Hogan > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires > > Looks like Goodyear R5's and Avons for 13" x 6" wheels -- little "fat" for > stock rims, but work on my 6" BWA's. The R5 tire may be a bit tall for the > front. Goodyear also made (or makes) a Y6 that's pretty "low" -- makes it > look like the Tiger's going down the street on its elbows -- but really a > "mean" look. Not worth two hoots in the wet over 60 mph -- the car will > hydroplane, but really grabby on dry pavement. They definitely lower the > car a bit and will "just" clear the front fender lip in front. > > Tony > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert D. Hogan" > > To: "Tigers List" > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 8:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires > > > > Actually, I think the discussion on brakes revealed that while there is > no > > quantitative date on brake upgrades the 11.75" diameter slotted disks > from > > Wilwood are subjectively worth the cost. > > > > I also would be interested to know what tire combinations in 15" or 16" > > wheel sizes, preferably with tires that nearly match the original wheel & > > tire circumference, would be useful on street, track or autocross course. > > Cost is another issue entirely. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto: > tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ] > > On Behalf Of Gary Winblad > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:00 PM > > To: Tiger List > > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger tires > > > > So now that we know all about brake theory and upgrades... > > > > What about the current state of TIRES? > > > > I was shocked to find that 13 inch tires are all but done for. All you > > can > > now get are cheap "economy car" tires or one single type of street legal > > race tire that costs > > $600 per set. Nothing in between. And I was finally going to actually > > drive my Tiger some again... and my 1993 tires are really bad... > sooo... > > > > Mike Wood, did you solve the 15 inch wheel search? > > > > Any ideas? > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robertdhogan@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bamcnulty@optonline.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 22 14:26:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE729403F3 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 14:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d01.mx.aol.com (omr-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.252.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D604038C for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 14:21:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-d01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7D82C70000084 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfe005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.120.156]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 00693E000089 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:19:40 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:19:40 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371932381; bh=q24/m87azAJtBxipLBZwCAHCfYaeLpUqlTyeXnPgmWE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mvzaXiWK89HVyJUJywnrPj1Q5eEK0m9PI+TlVSTsS66m9FjWJJMCUT5x4MZOI1xKg j0JwRtwjV6oexckyIsguFPbSJgNIl3/4m9jFbhUwCc2RsNlrlPvN+DIp33gXeY9ob+ W0VuvqTXSNsEJSMjRZsXLRuvjQA86OqhIxWw//q4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca51c606dc3ac5 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.carid.com/tires/13-inch/ In a message dated 6/22/2013 12:53:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, owain.lloyd@gmail.com writes: The toyos on tirerack are a great tire. They can even shave them for you. There does seem to be very limited choice in the US. If you check out the UK sites mytyres.co.uk and camskill.co.uk you will find a huge selection of 13 inch from cheap to top dollar (or top pound anyway). Shipping would not be that expensive when you consider you save the 20% sales tax. They also make quite comfortable checked in baggage if you are flying... On Friday, June 21, 2013, Robert D. Hogan wrote: > Summit Racing even has a Coker/Michelin 235/45VR13 that are as wide as the > (rear) BFG TA Radials tires of old but the list price is over $330 each. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony McNulty [mailto:bamcnulty@optonline.net ] > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:30 PM > To: Robert D. Hogan > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires > > Looks like Goodyear R5's and Avons for 13" x 6" wheels -- little "fat" for > stock rims, but work on my 6" BWA's. The R5 tire may be a bit tall for the > front. Goodyear also made (or makes) a Y6 that's pretty "low" -- makes it > look like the Tiger's going down the street on its elbows -- but really a > "mean" look. Not worth two hoots in the wet over 60 mph -- the car will > hydroplane, but really grabby on dry pavement. They definitely lower the > car a bit and will "just" clear the front fender lip in front. > > Tony > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert D. Hogan" > > To: "Tigers List" > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 8:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires > > > > Actually, I think the discussion on brakes revealed that while there is > no > > quantitative date on brake upgrades the 11.75" diameter slotted disks > from > > Wilwood are subjectively worth the cost. > > > > I also would be interested to know what tire combinations in 15" or 16" > > wheel sizes, preferably with tires that nearly match the original wheel & > > tire circumference, would be useful on street, track or autocross course. > > Cost is another issue entirely. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto: > tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ] > > On Behalf Of Gary Winblad > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:00 PM > > To: Tiger List > > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger tires > > > > So now that we know all about brake theory and upgrades... > > > > What about the current state of TIRES? > > > > I was shocked to find that 13 inch tires are all but done for. All you > > can > > now get are cheap "economy car" tires or one single type of street legal > > race tire that costs > > $600 per set. Nothing in between. And I was finally going to actually > > drive my Tiger some again... and my 1993 tires are really bad... > sooo... > > > > Mike Wood, did you solve the 15 inch wheel search? > > > > Any ideas? > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robertdhogan@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bamcnulty@optonline.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 22 15:41:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BA342729 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 15:41:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F83B42727 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 15:37:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 94F557000008D for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mle002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.199]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6C9B4E000085; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:35:56 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:35:56 -0400 (EDT) To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371936956; bh=YrHHOGd3RHDjHfQBkgXbWnUKaI5n2CZS3ZFdkgtGiqc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qQfprModbb8ntS9RTOCbZBpZJH3VxSJ02a3CtkWljtYuKoDf0MDSWAIX8Ix3ZeZ3Q Z1aeTfecX3lOrf51yb4BslZPo/xSsnJw04kqzUfyQdNf0xsk1u7mbCggha7jnZYLBR 4xQBR9ddOaY/ITwDJBxlPMxTga2zekoXkrnfSJBs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c851c618bc0f65 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wow !!! 13 inchers do seem to be available. In a message dated 6/22/2013 4:24:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, AAAGLASSS@aol.com writes: http://www.carid.com/tires/13-inch/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 22 15:42:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C324274F for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 15:42:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DE94006E for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 15:42:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ownerHP ([unknown] [98.117.211.51]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MOT008MGDKIOPM0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:41:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:41:19 -0400 Thread-index: Ac5vj+7UvHD+ANc4TZq7CJWSUIaA4Q== Content-language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] tires, hood Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm looking to buy a square corner hood to modify, anybody have one?? I have a set of four htr 200 tires for sale, 195/60x13 fit nicely on 6" rims, almost no miles on them, been stored out of sunlight, in climate control garage, no dry rough, can deliver to St Michaels in October or ship, $150.00, Clyde McLaughlin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 22 16:59:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCB14273B for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:59:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049D442727 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:55:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MOT00H2XGX1ULD0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:53:25 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <116cf7.72cc4d3b.3ef772bc@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 15:53:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well..., it depends on the tire size desired. While there were a lot of different tires when you go to the drop down menu most are the 155 thru 175-70-13". Excluding the "track" tires only the Nexen offered a tire with a 60 aspect ratio and the largest 185 width. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires > Wow !!! 13 inchers do seem to be available. > > > In a message dated 6/22/2013 4:24:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > AAAGLASSS@aol.com writes: > > http://www.carid.com/tires/13-inch/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 22 17:45:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7759B4272D for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:45:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5D742728 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:45:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D1A6C70077400; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 19:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mle002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.199]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AA5B9E000082; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 19:43:42 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 19:43:42 -0400 (EDT) To: atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371944622; bh=Td44Bsbe92UeF8ORZnAX78YwjFZJoGWMbZUXamgLWDU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a6oWw+v0dfikw1BJJZJgiah55qJcwzFM/m0uluMicYtY4AFbcOb8sk5UWjneWwp8X s1fCIDN6jzxlKSfBvuBSWQBNEFYNpaxevQuh8l9GJt3tX5tXEjmu0i7VCLLhtoZt6M ULHlrC33HGOp3zejLMu66C22WKYK57VzHZqzacso= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c951c636ae6932 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tom, You will probably find slim pickings if you look for 13" wheels to handle wider tires too. Maybe the thinking is that people who run 13" wheels are looking for something close to the original look. When 13" wheel were popular I don't remember a whole lot of wide tires. For the Tiger and others it was the tall and narrow look that was used. Hey, who wanted handling? People wanted speed. Mark L In a message dated 6/22/2013 6:57:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, atwittsend@verizon.net writes: Well..., it depends on the tire size desired. While there were a lot of different tires when you go to the drop down menu most are the 155 thru 175-70-13". Excluding the "track" tires only the Nexen offered a tire with a 60 aspect ratio and the largest 185 width. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires > Wow !!! 13 inchers do seem to be available. > > > In a message dated 6/22/2013 4:24:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > AAAGLASSS@aol.com writes: > > http://www.carid.com/tires/13-inch/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 22 22:45:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4187242737 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 22:45:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s10.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s10.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.85]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2583403DF for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 22:44:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU166-DS1 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s10.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 22 Jun 2013 21:43:09 -0700 From: "Curt Bowland" To: "tigers" Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 23:43:05 -0500 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 23:43:05 -0500 FILETIME=[28F576F0:01CE6FCC] Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, For those looking for 13" tires I would suggest https://www.onlinetires.com . They have an extensive listing of 13" tires. I purchased the Federal brand Formosa 205x60x13, H speed rated, for $52.51@! Been quite happy with them. Agreed 13" are a lot harder to find and only going to get worse. Cheers, Curt Bowland _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 23 00:07:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59ECB42735 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 00:07:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B21B403C7; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 00:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 16so22615824iea.31 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 23:03:33 -0700 (PDT) h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type :mime-version; bh=QHWrt4RksPXtZhh5t4lZl2a8KKzR8t4G138uHYjTwCI=; b=CZkmNtEpZzd7IIRytMFk1xJK1dzsgWsyzJJgKwDuXh+ECoEM+uyiWdA3thqzuDPg20 eLX8I61k0xpofulqiSeskb9dYYl7D520wuce9KJMATKeOVOb+wiYM1+7N6oYDUnJPL1i bnBn87C5UHsp60prIOH87nti1LVoeK4p2I9OkyEiQy3HEWsnGGxiTtT/yjdGwosEMfkH gPBklcC61piWD1PA9BrXdnKHaK1yjeFDDEcEfAHcy/rwnEFRZsX8cCnIqut9fMUotKfl aWEKgT39Tsdx0nDcTq89GZYRsN2rNee4Uy2BXsSa7b8PRRo+YUIvvlqIuJLrcsEEtzNz mRQw== e10mr2777962igi.10.1371967413725; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 23:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.187 (bda-74-82-80-176.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fu2sm7484116igb.3.2013.06.22.23.03.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 22 Jun 2013 23:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Sensitivity: Normal To: "Curt Bowland" ,tigers-bounces@autox.team.net,"tigers" From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 06:03:35 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 13" tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Although dad got Michelins and they seems good. They are certainly old. I have not driven on the freeway, and won't until I change them. I plan on getting Kumhos, which are available in correct sizes. Keep in mind that the worst tires today are better than the best tires when the cars were new. ------Original Message------ From: Curt Bowland To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires Sent: Jun 23, 2013 6:43 AM Hi, For those looking for 13" tires I would suggest https://www.onlinetires.com . They have an extensive listing of 13" tires. I purchased the Federal brand Formosa 205x60x13, H speed rated, for $52.51@! Been quite happy with them. Agreed 13" are a lot harder to find and only going to get worse. Cheers, Curt Bowland _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 23 09:58:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F4F403E6 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 09:58:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA6840338 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 09:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rrsL1l0021u4NiLA9rwF7J; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:56:15 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rrwF1l00B2yr1eL8hrwFEz; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:56:15 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:56:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Curt Bowland s=q20121106; t=1372002975; bh=eH4BeYnmMwcouQq7L5qAIeOrXTiPYi4OHxjpqPcvoNg=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=n1Sv/DnNkuQIwFGV0U0pFo6+mqt2CefJL1X526rugxvmHnUf8oX/HmV358R7vmD/v 0uRTeVS/aV1x58xOV0//HK5NgJGDeXM4i1hhEiuMi1g/YbjNRAaMRJH5pJmvCmIAhZ TruXn0CVv/DJw3Qyw9EihP0yabInXIyrgZym6wYdbTbDGJEJoWDwZ646TQGQQ4rive ljRKlGnuvI8YfZ4G87pz9cLQFDPg/wEOIUJNmPQhFTKEJfixURnn6ylF14uMIKncXU jgfVrhn7y/++lpbcqUD7iwn/nmHCnks+h66BD0DkZxfWgX8f5Cc7icG57OnXn/O05F HqWJV7ALYxjCg== Cc: tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] 13" tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Curt, Of all the suggestions, that sounds like the best choice for me right now. I just want some street tires for the LAT-70s and those look pretty good and I like the price. BTW Curt, What kind of wheels/tires do you run on your number 92 Tiger? I really like the look, I saved pictures posted quite awhile back.. Details? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Curt Bowland To: tigers Sent: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 04:43:05 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires Hi, For those looking for 13" tires I would suggest https://www.onlinetires.com . They have an extensive listing of 13" tires. I purchased the Federal brand Formosa 205x60x13, H speed rated, for $52.51@! Been quite happy with them. Agreed 13" are a lot harder to find and only going to get worse. Cheers, Curt Bowland _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 23 15:20:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0E34042C for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:20:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC0C4039F for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:20:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E5DD970002C63 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfa002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfa002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.139]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BC95BE000089 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:18:52 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372022332; bh=1OqnBsAmmdY21xytIUZ7ymErTae+8aLb3d3PLZY2ddw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BqJS4GQi+o8kAjqqDYg5pXjAAjTR1QkC81EFJto9nCme78zR1gs3j1lw2lMlFK37f DHu9nXnRa4AO+8PTq32QX2LDFxhv6OeyjZOwSVdKJKL9QI0YnMp9/NTrgbVc3hMp1g 8PMIS1CnnHIYNF82pqN8YY8GVaFLmAud9PdcbApM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c51c7663c690c Subject: [Tigers] This looks like a con job. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk1-2-door-196 5-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk1-/321149226483?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4ac5fc4df3 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 23 15:28:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51714043F for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:28:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832EF403C6 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:28:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail114-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.240) by CH1EHSOBE020.bigfish.com (10.43.70.77) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:27:03 +0000 Received: from mail114-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail114-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813BD6014F; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:27:03 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail114-ch1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail114-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail114-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1372022821978828_24615; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS035.bigfish.com (snatpool1.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.248]) by mail114-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECAD9400BC5; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CH1EHSMHS035.bigfish.com (10.43.70.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:27:01 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.179) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:27:02 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by OLAWPA-EXHT01.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.179]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:26:59 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "AAAGLASSS@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] This looks like a con job. Thread-Index: AQHOcFdQvQNI4WFcBUaaHLu/c4ZKF5lDztPg Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:26:58 +0000 References: <10d21b.51f1ee0d.3ef8c03c@aol.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] This looks like a con job. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net There aren't that many Tigers out there with the hood louvered like that - someone has to know whose it is and whether it's really for sale. Would be nice if they published the VIN. It's a crossover car, so it has to be a late Mk1... The location is a little too nebulous for my liking, and they should fix the title so it's not a '1961 Other Makes - 1965 Sunbeam Tiger'. Theo ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 23 15:33:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E8D4043E for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:33:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3940840395 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:33:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C65DC70036206 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfa002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfa002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.139]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 975C5E000086 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:31:45 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:31:45 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372023105; bh=y1xzaNFVXiu0GAevDDEn17lgXgtdfvW0zIc5z8gT30Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qOJow5SahwZgWfLI/sWPS6kuT6Q39nMi8qMHgIl6J98mo5BsWjtg6HYi4COXxkEqi duke4yp3AoTS8ZQhjReBhP44sGCj0EZDN2/ASQcRoN9v2waMXwhYAzyRI6/xozFl26 pfN0PfwVbwkqrLYJIl9+mpUuyisvKEre86e5k1Vs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294851c7694115d3 Subject: Re: [Tigers] This looks like a con job. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I asked where it is located. Wonder if I'll get an answer. In a message dated 6/23/2013 2:27:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Theo.Smit@dynastream.com writes: There aren't that many Tigers out there with the hood louvered like that - someone has to know whose it is and whether it's really for sale. Would be nice if they published the VIN. It's a crossover car, so it has to be a late Mk1... The location is a little too nebulous for my liking, and they should fix the title so it's not a '1961 Other Makes - 1965 Sunbeam Tiger'. Theo ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 23 15:48:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A814043D for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:48:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34C64039F for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:48:30 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=D/YXpLLYgQlaMTAZ3tgvCzbYF/pTYi7ceQSIjLWZ7YkWWZLoyp5ppa3NM7b8pJUu; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.245.41.213] (helo=XPS2710.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Uqs7P-0006o1-6E; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:46:43 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 14:46:40 -0700 To: "Smit, Theo" , "AAAGLASSS@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" From: "Norman C. Miller" garmin.com> References: <10d21b.51f1ee0d.3ef8c03c@aol.com> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A205C2A@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] This looks like a con job. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It's a scam. This is the third time for a bogus listing on eBay. Norm P.S. B9473614 LRXFE For Sale by Valenti Classics At 02:26 PM 6/23/2013, Smit, Theo wrote: >There aren't that many Tigers out there with the hood louvered like that - >someone has to know whose it is and whether it's really for sale. > >Would be nice if they published the VIN. It's a crossover car, so it has to be >a late Mk1... The location is a little too nebulous for my liking, and they >should fix the title so it's not a '1961 Other Makes - 1965 Sunbeam Tiger'. > >Theo > > > >________________________________ > >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of >the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential >and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please >notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, >copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by >someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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Thread-Index: AQHOcFdQvQNI4WFcBUaaHLu/c4ZKF5lDztPggAAG0H6AAAEhUA== Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:52:47 +0000 References: <10d21b.51f1ee0d.3ef8c03c@aol.com> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A205C2A@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] This looks like a con job. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This one, then: http://valenticlassics.com/valenti/vehicle_specific.asp?VehicleID=245 Thanks Norm! Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: Norman C. Miller [mailto:rootes1@earthlink.net] > Sent: June 23, 2013 3:47 PM > To: Smit, Theo; AAAGLASSS@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] This looks like a con job. > > It's a scam. This is the third time for a bogus listing on eBay. > > Norm > P.S. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 23 16:17:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2987403E4 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E13403C6 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:17:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id bj3so10170284pad.14 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:16:05 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=zllCbieOgLHoS8nMsk6JrlcCv1SGaRrHFjwNJiULlcg=; b=NSgguPzKTIgOeqYkhG9N2iw1v5eem6A7PbEj7t57UAirMU00sqN62T8b1L8nxc5ZQf 0ucn6RGmuokGiqzzBz7XjzE77qYLtMeT5d7+CO1QqkW8fs5P00Bepjl0uFp62Lko0NrH jKLoNxMTje03oH45ed8ipXyVuzE9GEIE2gLvGgtPh2s3a+DOTIZ+Xho935Mq0djx84ba 0D9K2A/NsYZvJXkz5384Hsh0RG2sSRql+CsL26wtisOQqJ4q7nCHCGG9gpS2fmfQLp25 Pnqe7BpSHpCTJiecRwG2st1Ose6nBwlraHSCKsR7LWsY84TQ76EGBvwH0Tp0tIJVTnB4 NANw== lq3mr23182005pab.147.1372025765120; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.231.98 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:16:05 -0700 (PDT) References: <4d782.5d0715aa.3ef790ae@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:16:05 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: "CoolVT@aol.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ford escorts ran/run 13 inch as wide as 8 or 9 inch and always did. With a cosworth BDA/BDG they need wide tires on tarmac. It's pretty much the only historic rally car that can keep pace with modern cars and they can beat single seaters on hillclimbs. 13 inch gives them phenomenal acceleration with a rear end ratio of over 5:1. On Saturday, June 22, 2013, wrote: > Tom, > You will probably find slim pickings if you look for 13" wheels to handle > wider tires too. Maybe the thinking is that people who run 13" wheels are > looking for something close to the original look. When 13" wheel were > popular I don't remember a whole lot of wide tires. For the Tiger and > others > it was the tall and narrow look that was used. Hey, who wanted handling? > People wanted speed. > Mark L > > > In a message dated 6/22/2013 6:57:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > atwittsend@verizon.net writes: > > Well..., it depends on the tire size desired. While there were a lot of > different tires when you go to the drop down menu most are the 155 thru > 175-70-13". Excluding the "track" tires only the Nexen offered a tire > with > a 60 aspect ratio and the largest 185 width. > > Tom > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > To: >; > > > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires > > > > Wow !!! 13 inchers do seem to be available. > > > > > > In a message dated 6/22/2013 4:24:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > AAAGLASSS@aol.com writes: > > > > http://www.carid.com/tires/13-inch/ > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 23 16:25:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E938D4042D for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:25:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B408C403C6 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:25:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8DAEC700000AF for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfa002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfa002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.139]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5C15AE000087 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:23:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:23:28 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372026208; bh=jm/cIIHeSMLo9TSK6drdLWru0BjxY7ex3RxwZq4tFUo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IGzwR8OY8oe4BCsC3rNmVHQw7cNN3+4PKojYzuNJ6haQRSCk9lVoPI6gHnQm9puCs Yg6nHPZGLTgNF73PQS0pI1VKkyPVezox4osH59D7IvU8v2wo9mRewIwNtMphWabjXm 1MA4vTQEfMI7SbPRmTDVj3wubNMCGcIAl+x1VsGc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294951c7756063ae Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sunbeam-Alpine-Tiger-Lotus-Cortina-Super-Seven-Panas port-13x6-wheels-/230729212431?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=i tem35b888620f&vxp=mtr In a message dated 6/23/2013 3:16:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, owain.lloyd@gmail.com writes: Ford escorts ran/run 13 inch as wide as 8 or 9 inch and always did. With a cosworth BDA/BDG they need wide tires on tarmac. It's pretty much the only historic rally car that can keep pace with modern cars and they can beat single seaters on hillclimbs. 13 inch gives them phenomenal acceleration with a rear end ratio of over 5:1. On Saturday, June 22, 2013, wrote: > Tom, > You will probably find slim pickings if you look for 13" wheels to handle > wider tires too. Maybe the thinking is that people who run 13" wheels are > looking for something close to the original look. When 13" wheel were > popular I don't remember a whole lot of wide tires. For the Tiger and > others > it was the tall and narrow look that was used. Hey, who wanted handling? > People wanted speed. > Mark L > > > In a message dated 6/22/2013 6:57:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > atwittsend@verizon.net writes: > > Well..., it depends on the tire size desired. While there were a lot of > different tires when you go to the drop down menu most are the 155 thru > 175-70-13". Excluding the "track" tires only the Nexen offered a tire > with > a 60 aspect ratio and the largest 185 width. > > Tom > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > To: >; > > > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires > > > > Wow !!! 13 inchers do seem to be available. > > > > > > In a message dated 6/22/2013 4:24:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > AAAGLASSS@aol.com writes: > > > > http://www.carid.com/tires/13-inch/ > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 23 16:52:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580CF40430 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:52:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from db8outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (mail-db8lp0185.outbound.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D6E403DD for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:52:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail104-db8-R.bigfish.com (10.174.8.241) by DB8EHSOBE030.bigfish.com (10.174.4.93) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 22:50:36 +0000 Received: from mail104-db8 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail104-db8-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1946EC013F; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 22:50:36 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail104-db8: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail104-db8 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail104-db8 (MessageSwitch) id 1372027834706253_11270; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 22:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DB8EHSMHS003.bigfish.com (unknown [10.174.8.228]) by mail104-db8.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6030C40068; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 22:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by DB8EHSMHS003.bigfish.com (10.174.4.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 22:50:34 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:50:35 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.181]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:50:31 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "AAAGLASSS@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tiger tires Thread-Index: AQHOcGBIgJqsqev9L0KvqhvAuW4+N5lD5aUA Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 22:50:31 +0000 References: <10e0e2.39f47a55.3ef8cf60@aol.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.midatlanticmotorsport.com/panasport.htm Just choose with your wallet ;) Back when the sanctioning bodies would only allow wheels that were up to (1.5 or 2?) inches wider than stock for GT racing, the tire manufacturers responded with cantilever-sidewall slicks - so you could (or still can) get a 9" tread-width slick designed to go on a 7" rim. The current crop of ultrawide 'street' radials don't work when their sidewalls are sucked into an insufficiently wide tire, so you can only mount what you can find a rim for... thankfully due to modular aluminum wheels as well as the mini-stock crowd standardizing on the Ford bolt pattern, you can get 13 inch steel or aluminum race wheels in whatever width you need. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS@aol.com > Sent: June 23, 2013 4:23 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sunbeam-Alpine-Tiger-Lotus-Cortina-Super-Seven- > Panas > port-13x6-wheels- > /230729212431?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=i > tem35b888620f&vxp=mtr > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 23 17:31:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186FD4043B for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:31:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E83C403DD for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:31:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 86EB070035461 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-djc004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-djc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.69.141]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5DC1BE000087 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:29:58 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net From: Tom Pappenhagen Received: from 69.242.116.74 by webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.239) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:29:58 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:29:58 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372030198; bh=GHJpl1w0TGefWc0TUDTXG9rNFt8jwCTYQ2E8oGSzkZk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=G93gj8V4oFRM5Zi1xYjfkznVyUmtjtZtrE2eM/iaSusQcmahvfBTPIcHglYP8PZ7w XEWvSR963ZgDNiVCK6kIkC09t+SILBso8SOfmRWZDOWDAGlUh8xbZrYq2SIu3p03bf ni+zZeiHw1n9yfZlQ7Aa3ZWWKLD0h18SQh11jFgM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290951c784f66136 Subject: [Tigers] Trim hole size Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm trying to install the plastic SS trim clips and it looks like the holes were partially filled with paint. Anyone know the proper diameter for the trim holes? Also (probably) the other emblem holes etc. TIA. ...tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 23 19:19:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE5840409 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:19:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc3-s8.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc3-s8.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17307400FF for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:19:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-W10 ([65.55.34.135]) by col0-omc3-s8.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:17:53 -0700 From: steve wick To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:17:52 -0700 References: <10d21b.51f1ee0d.3ef8c03c@aol.com>, <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A205C2A@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> FILETIME=[A6655BD0:01CE7078] Subject: Re: [Tigers] This looks like a con job. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My hood is like that, but it's not my car. Mine isn't near as nice. Steve (in N. Id.) > From: Theo.Smit@dynastream.com > To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:26:58 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Tigers] This looks like a con job. > > There aren't that many Tigers out there with the hood louvered like that - > someone has to know whose it is and whether it's really for sale. > > Would be nice if they published the VIN. It's a crossover car, so it has to be > a late Mk1... The location is a little too nebulous for my liking, and they > should fix the title so it's not a '1961 Other Makes - 1965 Sunbeam Tiger'. > > Theo > > > > ________________________________ > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential > and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please > notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, > copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by > someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/srwick@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 23 19:55:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBDB0403DD for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:55:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6C5400FF for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:55:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MOV00ENZJWPDAC0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:53:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <10d21b.51f1ee0d.3ef8c03c@aol.com>, <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A205C2A@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:53:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] This looks like a con job. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >From the Ebay listing: "Nestled between the frame rails is the famed 289 cu in power house which is mated to a top loader 4-Speed gear box. The correct 4.3L 260 cu in V8 still accompanies the car." So, which is it? 289??? 260??? (not that it matters) Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 23 19:59:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BC740409 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f46.google.com (mail-qa0-f46.google.com [209.85.216.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95F3400FF for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:58:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id ih17so1890596qab.12 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:56:49 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=tPj6xFuvZl4xh5bWRXjc5lqpFecPoMwOuCN/OK64T0s=; b=Tr83tVmIRsBWpEDAJpLAEhm2MfJsuNJVtqzkk176JGFpt5ulnW1n9x6SMWTXrgRacs 82JQ5DgmPeVjoQ7NOrfTtOl51PBWEMUPCpIeT706aOnnrP/ahIiD/gwkfx+FUQ/g2bjZ VKxLnhogeJ1yoVC4wODlj8yjtZluQcdIk2A9kA8op41Fnb0mZDdwIj7wy6dKnhuLnlg8 16KXSNyOdw9x0aT0pBWqdjZ8Yh32RTlmL2H2z/dHVvNWadCcCoh3UKxoWYiUiGohT3EU 1jyzj0zYGpPaP6yrVvuOCOvDsbxuA2QHEJgksPKP3fqDfzH+bunuBP/ANuXcztLIkApa 2TDQ== gx9mr24611452qab.94.1372039009209; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.35.108 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:56:49 -0700 (PDT) References: <10d21b.51f1ee0d.3ef8c03c@aol.com> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A205C2A@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:56:49 -0400 From: Jeffery Randall To: steve wick Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] This looks like a con job. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net When I see a listing like this ,I lokk at the seller's "other items" and generally it's not hard to spot a dud, Imediately this one put up the RED FLAG. A little common sense can save a lot of money and heart ache.For what it's not worth! Regards, Jeff On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 9:17 PM, steve wick wrote: > My hood is like that, but it's not my car. Mine isn't near as nice. > > Steve (in N. Id.) > > > From: Theo.Smit@dynastream.com > > To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net > > Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:26:58 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] This looks like a con job. > > > > There aren't that many Tigers out there with the hood louvered like that > - > > someone has to know whose it is and whether it's really for sale. > > > > Would be nice if they published the VIN. It's a crossover car, so it has > to > be > > a late Mk1... The location is a little too nebulous for my liking, and > they > > should fix the title so it's not a '1961 Other Makes - 1965 Sunbeam > Tiger'. > > > > Theo > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole > use > of > > the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be > confidential > > and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, > please > > notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, > > copying, distribution or use of this communication (including > attachments) > by > > someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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Just let me know. TtT Sent from Huawei Mobile Tom Pappenhagen wrote: >I'm trying to install the plastic SS trim clips and it looks like the holes >were partially filled with paint. Anyone know the proper diameter for the >trim holes? Also (probably) the other emblem holes etc. > >TIA. > >...tom >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 24 06:57:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90E740454 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 06:57:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94AC4032C for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 06:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 440D570079704 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfa002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfa002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.139]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9E4F3E00008A for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:53:30 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:53:30 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372078411; bh=rijgvABtt8qtc2WgbgB1QkJdJu/ttWrs9RtDAa+ah0M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nWzEH8ISrBh8wj2Hib7mwMCMvBspbTzGjb8YCrbLk6ISyu3VhTlITaRthmtYfLut0 fCmx2vF9NA1UF5lHl8v/FwlGtIVgGzwykh8lQ7gFH4Z0GrI50/fH5QKWWoYQc276cC 9UStaGQB8aNpXzc/MMlp1c5FU/LZzy43WlySkBIk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc51c8414a7e71 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Other: aaaglasss sent a message about Other Makes : 1965 Sunbeam Tiger M... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is the response to my asking where it is. That price is tempting isn't it. I also reported this to e-bay and the ad is gone. Am going to respond to this and say I have cash in hand and need to see the car. Will let you know what plays out. ____________________________________ From: anita.jones76@aol.com To: aaaglasss@aol.com Sent: 6/24/2013 5:40:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: Re: Other: aaaglasss sent a message about Other Makes : 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Mk1 2 door Hi, Thanks for your interest. I have a clear title in my name. Please find a link to additional photos bellow my message. My asking price is $19,000. The vehicle is in great working condition, it's been serviced recently and needs nothing.This Mark I Convertible with removable hardtop has undergone an extensive documented restoration. Amazingly it comes with the original purchase order receipt. Nestled between the frame rails is the famed 289 cu in power house which is mated to a top loader 4-Speed gear box. The correct 4.3L 260 cu in V8 still accompanies the car Matching interior (just check the photos bellow my message). I am currently away for a few days, but I will get back home to Conneaut OH, where the vehicle is located, late next week. I can arrange shipping to your location when I get there. For payment I accept bank wire transfer. If we close this deal I will email you a scan of the title before wiring the payment. Let me know if you agree with my terms. Alternately we can close this deal using ebay's vehicle purchase protection. You can secure your purchase today by wiring the money to ebay. Ebay will hold your payment until you receive the vehicle from the shipper or until you inspect it and agree to buy it. Either way, let me know which way is better for you. Thanks, Martin Additional photos: http://imageupper.com/g/?S020001005Y13720763352359261 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 24 06:58:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF934044D for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 06:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f52.google.com (mail-la0-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880404032C for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 06:58:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id fo12so10323496lab.11 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 05:56:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wIRA1V5hNqGToVHT2UQCs2vx6eqv9B5f5p2Wqo5xKcY=; b=Hiezp6x2yhxX0wQ7dwltdfErzi0z6yEzfFQMCGougvYNdUAA/1t7HdkcZRzV/EZBLA eGaH1lT+U5sZWMorYrCIKv213X/tskeOAAqkHPvW8il5766w6hclz+qqfQ9kUgg6tqod bAQbWolUSAttM7iEMji4UqCgEA5c7yMb4A6aiYZsMbB3hVEpKdvfRs3B5iGbq56xNOku +4kyG3Fl5XFaTrGRtHsx0Auf2yo9ZBLuZhzwOSf317GVGwO+UlmddoBJmQViZEO0s7YH 0e59NG7SbIDg4IzuKTuLsWyOd8aMzwoL5upcZVDekT8N5gD9xsOMKvqOBSf+c/Ocxj1M lOyQ== Mon, 24 Jun 2013 05:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.4.106 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 05:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.4.106 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 05:56:30 -0700 (PDT) References: <1192511252.1372022962460.JavaMail.SYSTEM@slc4b01c-8486> <8D03EEFDFFB4872-18F0-1B481@webmail-vm019.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:56:30 -0400 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Re: Other: gmcvtx sent a message about Other Makes : 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Mk1 2 door Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net And here's the SCAM ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Anita Jones" Date: Jun 24, 2013 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Other: gmcvtx sent a message about Other Makes : 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Mk1 2 door To: Cc: Hi, Thanks for your interest. I have a clear title in my name. Please find a link to additional photos bellow my message. My asking price is $19,000. The vehicle is in great working condition, it's been serviced recently and needs nothing.This Mark I Convertible with removable hardtop has undergone an extensive documented restoration. Amazingly it comes with the original purchase order receipt. Nestled between the frame rails is the famed 289 cu in power house which is mated to a top loader 4-Speed gear box. The correct 4.3L 260 cu in V8 still accompanies the car Matching interior (just check the photos bellow my message). I am currently away for a few days, but I will get back home to Conneaut OH, where the vehicle is located, late next week. I can arrange shipping to your location when I get there. For payment I accept bank wire transfer. If we close this deal I will email you a scan of the title before wiring the payment. Let me know if you agree with my terms. Alternately we can close this deal using ebay's vehicle purchase protection. You can secure your purchase today by wiring the money to ebay. Ebay will hold your payment until you receive the vehicle from the shipper or until you inspect it and agree to buy it. Either way, let me know which way is better for you. Thanks, Martin Additional photos: http://imageupper.com/g/?S020001005Y13720763352359261 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 24 07:01:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40F340551 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:01:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BD74032C for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:00:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 43DE07006C128; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfa002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfa002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.139]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9D402E000085; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:59:02 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:59:02 -0400 (EDT) To: michael@michaelshortt.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372078743; bh=CoilHDCZ5jaEhixkGLqRlE9XjHAdl+C3sa/3pGjeccM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GCk5kET/Kz+uiPmQJMX/B4bxizPiUFRo9+gQyJhC0TFlaEqG8V/7np15ZgkvUm6bG qMhgjUg6LOV4UGdlrJbJm45jwbQRWKlNIP5teKGW6d+4SQoKuaKj+I+VM74Mzmw1dE Am1ZTUQSLnFRqagmeHgxehf1Y+2c6SIszGElMA90= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca51c842961a5a Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Re: Other: gmcvtx sent a message about Other Makes : 1965 S... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Have cash in hand need to see this. Where/When can I see this? In a message dated 6/24/2013 5:56:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, michaelsavga@gmail.com writes: And here's the SCAM ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Anita Jones" Date: Jun 24, 2013 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Other: gmcvtx sent a message about Other Makes : 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Mk1 2 door To: Cc: Hi, Thanks for your interest. I have a clear title in my name. Please find a link to additional photos bellow my message. My asking price is $19,000. The vehicle is in great working condition, it's been serviced recently and needs nothing.This Mark I Convertible with removable hardtop has undergone an extensive documented restoration. Amazingly it comes with the original purchase order receipt. Nestled between the frame rails is the famed 289 cu in power house which is mated to a top loader 4-Speed gear box. The correct 4.3L 260 cu in V8 still accompanies the car Matching interior (just check the photos bellow my message). I am currently away for a few days, but I will get back home to Conneaut OH, where the vehicle is located, late next week. I can arrange shipping to your location when I get there. For payment I accept bank wire transfer. If we close this deal I will email you a scan of the title before wiring the payment. Let me know if you agree with my terms. Alternately we can close this deal using ebay's vehicle purchase protection. You can secure your purchase today by wiring the money to ebay. Ebay will hold your payment until you receive the vehicle from the shipper or until you inspect it and agree to buy it. Either way, let me know which way is better for you. Thanks, Martin Additional photos: http://imageupper.com/g/?S020001005Y13720763352359261 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 24 08:55:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD6C40510 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CEAC40415 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:54:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.134]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0783570079C0A for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.19.131.158] (unknown [12.130.126.86]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 72BB2E000163 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:52:59 -0400 (EDT) References: From: Walter Suman Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:52:50 -0700 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372085581; bh=zWH6WzbSKtYQ42YbVfmFOz96yZnf34QDE3JJ8Y94Di8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Je1Z9ROPacGh4m7RsuXZ4VYXUgtx/G9cyEIlDBQhQ06iztkQOCytMiw5hqppDnHyZ GHZ87fO5NkGMLaqE9/NYrEyTwI95DNtXn/7/7BIlYA2lQTKTYiHLF629JM6LuG19fR ko7DJv3ykwwIHak5i42AzP27TRm08wUxbPOKalBM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338651c85d4b07d3 Subject: [Tigers] Is it a con job? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net He says its in Conneaut, Ohio. http://imageupper.com/g/?S020001005Y13720763352359261 Walt Suman Message: 1 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] This looks like a con job. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk1-2-door-196 5-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk1-/321149226483?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4ac5fc4df3 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 24 09:02:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FE840448 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:02:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0478340423 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:02:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DC5DD70078FEB for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mle002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.199]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DC087E00012E; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:00:19 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:00:18 -0400 (EDT) To: wsuman@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372086038; bh=jaAYqe6ViCmK5GzKWNiVxsKzF43tRTySkVcjX+h6BvY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tSb83UeK7XPm+Nx9oVI2c9jU/JIHAU3YUHWBBt0uXSGEebPK5EZ6CQ6/m/wASSyws bx+oy8FT5gUiajCA6kx3dtvXGONToyV+9GBYNgpgRL44FfQvZaF6Pr8GkCtzAAZD2N 4Bx74SYZZGXZr3DnAGOU8/ydRN9eZpnyaXOcwn/w= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b51c85f032d6a Subject: Re: [Tigers] Is it a con job? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Pretty distinctive car. Someone on the list must know who it belongs to. Mark L In a message dated 6/24/2013 10:53:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wsuman@aol.com writes: He says its in Conneaut, Ohio. http://imageupper.com/g/?S020001005Y13720763352359261 Walt Suman Message: 1 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] This looks like a con job. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk1-2-door-196 5-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk1-/321149226483?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4ac5fc4df3 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 24 17:00:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4513E40427 for ; 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I noticed the rear channels on my car are bare metal. The question is whether that's correct or whether they should contain any sort of felt buffer or liner similar to the front guide channel? Thanks Terry Packer 9470018 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 24 21:15:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1CF14053D for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD754044A for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:13:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 03:11:43 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.240] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 03:11:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1049.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 03:11:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 72939 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2013 03:11:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372129903; bh=sRNzgWhgpUvCZ+gI0qqrtN3CjIiyiZLU55NHx6W+Eyo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XrfdW155QwoBSbijuBHopheLDbIb6CYmTInPv05Zb/DR36Ls6jlgac853Fzx2hoQM/yEPvUTNwLoyiw6tias++QKUotWEm977pyCAC9z2Evk5sCr/fnkh655J5UuscYGfhxLWGO2/vP/OBmQUOGllB799hNx6414NTGy721rI4Y= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ue0G29ryU9Sjp1jFJBNrIfm4FZ58RVmrvZLfEo0MyrXuImxK5L5pQxGWypNm1iYyvtiyNPlLY1JdROZF+0t1YHhOXg1oznAbbOnVwaaYEMRlYy3f19YU5yCjdQXEG8jbrwX9eiUEgLJ+UC9Q06eLq3eJz4c2QYi235lUxQKO8W8=; NwBpFwHlbgY4oLbFlt3R14lLpuF9IiWrFJXZTUUolzt0l3kVmPA8cd5ad_h_ AQEc76R3kZ_Q3fKWW3zaGshN48Wfiycwb9mmmU4HobkQeI1oeT0ZYIy_ePMX ZjnoAgvWogk__odSZLK7E_taZKeJCMMc6V.YXNM8MjMWPYAK.avcnSb_jKYO c7UST3NSXynJBuglTM07Xcxdn7WC9WExIS56j5Kul0rdwQNIDOF9AvO5qJMl NNfDQF51Y2wc87dRbP6NXDva.HXODczKXy.m9.jX10sNs5lHOqwcE.bERccs s6GgZ9yIZKxx7VxAP55_OIwXLWoCr0OTXMYwFcOMoQxmyKjGCkBDHQF1Ny6Q fToguWI0NhtoB2KE9PGIOKYxW4v1.zosAhtnOZt4586E77LOONieyhzNfpRk 8kGlYkRWahAtjRvMznF5WTru8yFoW0qkfEH0ZXgJHKHmx3_Dd3MK1vjY_xpo JZS7fiXoe4nsMigOSjPJ2HW8CXugO49jQ1UPIE0YazMV.uGEsnVBaWHTv5Ke 1KeA.Wv41ti8LjExua4pM2Ib0I17jVk4iRXrWqm1LJ2JsKvz_b5l1uMuARw- - Received: from [72.29.162.82] by web141101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:11:43 PDT SnVzdCBub3RpY2VkIFNTIGFjdHVhbGx5IHNlbGxzIHRoZSByZWFyIGNoYW5uZWwgbGluZXJzIERDLTUwLiBXZSBuZXZlciByYWlzZSBvciBsb3dlciB0aGUgd2luZG93cyBzbyBkaWRuJ3QgZXZlbiB0aGluayBhYm91dCBpdCB1bnRpbCBwb2tpbmcgYXJvdW5kIGluc2lkZSBhIGRvb3IhCgoKVGVycnkKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IFRlcnJ5IFBhY2tlciA8cGFja2VydGwzQHlhaG9vLmNvbT4KVG86ICJ0aWdlcnNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQiIDx0aWdlcnNAYXV0b3gBMAEBAQE- References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CED78@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <1369335074.78586.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1372129590.5223.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Packer To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Nevermind - Window Track Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just noticed SS actually sells the rear channel liners DC-50. We never raise or lower the windows so didn't even think about it until poking around inside a door! Terry ________________________________ From: Terry Packer To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: [Tigers] Window Track Question The roll-up windows in our cars are guided by 2 vertical U-channels, one forward and one aft near the exterior door handle. I noticed the rear channels on my car are bare metal. The question is whether that's correct or whether they should contain any sort of felt buffer or liner similar to the front guide channel? Thanks Terry Packer 9470018 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/packertl3@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 24 22:08:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C2E40510 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:08:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com (mail-ie0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C3B40453 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:08:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id u16so25766942iet.23 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:06:20 -0700 (PDT) h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=rfmeapnhnmDlGdueMIpju8owVHLzCwcnm2+onhyXJLs=; b=ehS07zDCi/GvDSmhiz5v415Jrv6V9/2hK3bi2j1LiEcq11BvrJYqQNAgNOs9sUsTsl bKSpsjN1O16hnwHTdMMoLLYgaY4wFKs/a42AuH/aXtXlm6/Sl0XUjH7Xi2b6KI1dacjq uFQAmTfllryjBJeN+1NtSp/dCW56395wlBsA8liJaWL0lFagUoP+60rW9x0FlRcZw8Za 2bVNMVILY/gIcDz2nOpQ8uzhZypdWnQu/bW1N0mUfS8BAqhROlYvRDPNRMBoSjUbOGrR Z0oyCKDQv7kdfyyzV5xCIv6Nmms6cObkuSN8XB59Z055yHDOJoPkgm9MqKqY2HZfoDt+ oD4g== nv8mr9794709icc.64.1372133180323; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.187 (bda-74-82-80-176.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hj6sm2128344igb.1.2013.06.24.21.06.18 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:06:19 -0700 (PDT) References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B051472CED78@CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com> <1369335074.78586.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1372129590.5223.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1372129903.72558.YahooMailNeo@web141101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Terry Packer" ,"tigers@autox.team.net" From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 04:06:23 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Nevermind - Window Track Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For what it is worth, it is "just" a strip of fabric that lays/hangs in there. Once to top deteriorates, it releases and falls down. You may find it laying on the bottom of the door itself. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Terry Packer To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Nevermind - Window Track Question Just noticed SS actually sells the rear channel liners DC-50. We never raise or lower the windows so didn't even think about it until poking around inside a door! Terry ________________________________ From: Terry Packer To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: [Tigers] Window Track Question The roll-up windows in our cars are guided by 2 vertical U-channels, one forward and one aft near the exterior door handle. I noticed the rear channels on my car are bare metal. The question is whether that's correct or whether they should contain any sort of felt buffer or liner similar to the front guide channel? Thanks Terry Packer 9470018 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/packertl3@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 25 02:58:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D329C40539 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:58:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm47-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm47-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BA04044B for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:58:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.171] by nm47.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 08:56:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.219] by tm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 08:56:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 08:56:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 98364 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2013 08:56:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372150615; bh=VW5HurHtBiJsrlrD2a0FZZdAUeTA91ibZAHjZbmf9/M=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a/qI3NDLtw1zJR7fGE7kwhaE4N5CkQVTFwfV5WYrrRXnwdKd1hk1sZxulYTHoK+YR8RdiACnD79ZlAL+o2HXFySqtbraoG/P+b6yy1q8RJvCxUjOFSrnDleHaof7kYFgEKJ/8WqO55QTXdaeVApyP98RXmT7ossoU4ntwRPQF4Y= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GIqycadRcwNMjnsIgJ5sRdo/9eCkhIMarlaMorL0y66oAFrQJscOSpILB/i8KzMIl8T1mWLvdR9gNDE3VGtN7fJKxvZ8OPvrUIFCN6qQRMobu6fXQrbthtBicpPhgQIxuVM8qnxJVnQyR9Ersx53aW3HIZf/41w6wS8KFKj9pSk=; 2IEqqGQ9qKr2JwOMBTqupDfRDWlZxEHOhJUmV9Z42U0DHKJN.dzlPUl2iFH3 NhdU3TXLbFiBZnbEqR_PJx2JSUo.75WzgYZy_jQ4z22XoBrXWKF2Q0z.lX_6 T7AVhDYoAg5zcHkJFeUENfv0JG8BQf02ptIAtF52ZVycPCWApAIhLDWx2GWV C8yicHS9exUYqZG3YyTP4pIuqkAIhRq8FLYWfyh23B3ZPZntBXQvFNBwgroG p_OXWvb23uGVz8IC2HGP4WCUVWCEnOoOCUeEO1ASafECZLaced1z2UQ_uUAv OwBDFHxMaT.o..gDAqK6JLDl4_FlxaTn1lKoBe_QBryC1Ug8sQuXYccexYce JYXMC_PFHv1gQ_zNdzOtg79mCW933WvtDA4AyIyzWy3o_PNDnIxufrWwG5iZ PejpmNqdo5H0McHITBZmfbkxPEv_EKaTy3hg8ekv2UCdp2lS.iOc4jmgmfkC 1QAUDHd9d11l4.WdN_Q_LMNnqY4zH_furi8laql_VvfR2 Received: from [67.169.87.181] by web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 01:56:55 PDT CgrCoElzbid0IHRoaXMgdGhlIFRpZ2VyIHdlJ3ZlIHNlZW4gb24gdGhlIGNvdmVyIG9mwqAgdGhlIFZpY3RvcmlhIEJyaXRpc2ggcGFydHMgY2F0YWxvZ3M_ATABAQEB Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 01:56:55 -0700 (PDT) From: J Clark To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] This looks like a con job Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Isn't this the Tiger we've seen on the cover of the Victoria British parts catalogs? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 25 06:45:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1AA4052E for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 06:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F348B403E8 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 06:44:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9525B70066152 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-msd004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.13]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E6EFFE000087; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:43:00 -0400 (EDT) References: <6f570.5f41f438.3ef9b902@aol.com> To: CoolVT@aol.com, wsuman@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net From: phastphill@aol.com Received: from 184.151.61.156 by webmail-d187.sysops.aol.com (205.188.103.66) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:43:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:43:00 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372164181; bh=cpsFjiEobw7rJeqNVbnMkOTLp7jcMbHKWjD1zMNwCXc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GDXtPLirW5IMFMqqEa/WXKTTIV368JjsHQHXWrNBhGqFte89ChEDxr3AtQrRSqwFM qrIgLdDbPWiXKE8OViPPNN9wNoxqujjqvWx3RN8XvBvoj195veqr0RHmOBAEq5MjVg 3VXDPjkqXDjzn6nhOmdX1MzVxkw2LdMfNoOsq6dU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a51c990541609 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Is it a con job? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Conneaut is a city in Ashtabula County, Ohio, United States, along Lake Erie at the mouth of Conneaut Creek, which is the number one steelhead trout stream in the country. The population was 12,841 at the 2010 start driving how hard can it be to find a Tiger in a town that size, or just go fishing.....lol ....pun intended ---- Original Message ---- From: CoolVT To: wsuman ; tigers Sent: Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:00 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Is it a con job? Pretty distinctive car. Someone on the list must know who it belongs to. Mark L In a message dated 6/24/2013 10:53:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wsuman@aol.com writes: He says its in Conneaut, Ohio. http://imageupper.com/g/?S020001005Y13720763352359261 Walt Suman Message: 1 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] This looks like a con job. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk1-2-door-196 5-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk1-/321149226483?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4ac5fc4df3 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/phastphill@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 26 02:59:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7824275A for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:59:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB01403F9 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:57:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TerriPC ([unknown] [71.109.97.225]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MOZ00E2XSRV3670@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 03:55:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kirk Smith" To: References: <120aa3.2abeb026.3ef70a11@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 01:55:04 -0700 Thread-index: Ac5vUiUO7+slcangQS+B1QH7gw/3qAC+FHhg Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Flying Tiger- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I think it's probably got a lightweight plastic mannequin on the bike- he, she, 'it'- never moves it's head while turning, never changes leg position, never puts a foot down- I think it is being flown remotely with a lightweight dummy aboard. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 7:09 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Flying Tiger- Non Tiger content A little bigger fan attached to the hood, a second fan attached to the trunk lid........................................hmmm. http://wimp.com/flyingbike/ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 26 04:02:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634F140541 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 04:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBD64003F for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 04:01:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B424C70000084; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 05:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfa004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.156]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 834FDE000085; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 05:59:56 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 05:59:56 -0400 (EDT) To: rjn@xtra.co.nz x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372240796; bh=lwg8SWB7sQD7G7HBiRtzlVlPRPDQ+E3/FairxL2wz6M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gAcBKF4XmNP+4tVuTIk0dhRi+sltF8PWk/n4pX6jPteEqS6CNDVwGPkJW6FrXU92A v+rafBe0hNX3mRTNC5PRbbXoIOlSvX3hCRqszv4LNv6uQ3d4dAMrEGLtsM8pKfWeP7 hCIbjPcLYX4V9F/vk6JudqEjKmTRPgrXX6SST9HM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d51cabb9c048f Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi I e-mailed Martin and said, I had cash in hand and wanted to see it. Never got a reply. Complete scam Every once and a while a Tiger ad will appear here http://losangeles.craigslist.org/ . Are you looking for a Tiger? Lee This is my question and Martins response; Have cash in hand need to see this. Where/When can I see this? In a message dated 6/24/2013 5:40:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, anita.jones76@aol.com writes: Hi, Thanks for your interest. I have a clear title in my name. Please find a link to additional photos bellow my message. My asking price is $19,000. The vehicle is in great working condition, it's been serviced recently and needs nothing.This Mark I Convertible with removable hardtop has undergone an extensive documented restoration. Amazingly it comes with the original purchase order receipt. Nestled between the frame rails is the famed 289 cu in power house which is mated to a top loader 4-Speed gear box. The correct 4.3L 260 cu in V8 still accompanies the car Matching interior (just check the photos bellow my message). I am currently away for a few days, but I will get back home to Conneaut OH, where the vehicle is located, late next week. I can arrange shipping to your location when I get there. For payment I accept bank wire transfer. If we close this deal I will email you a scan of the title before wiring the payment. Let me know if you agree with my terms. Alternately we can close this deal using ebay's vehicle purchase protection. You can secure your purchase today by wiring the money to ebay. Ebay will hold your payment until you receive the vehicle from the shipper or until you inspect it and agree to buy it. Either way, let me know which way is better for you. Thanks, Martin Additional photos: http://imageupper.com/g/?S020001005Y13720763352359261 in a message dated 6/25/2013 11:59:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rjn@xtra.co.nz writes: Hi, I also received a similar email from Martin regarding that car. I emailed him back with some questions, and have received a reply. Did you suggest you would go over to see the car? What was his response to that? Regards, Richard Nowacki 39B Konini Rd, Greenlane, Auckland 1061, New Zealand P.O. Box 12 010, Penrose, Auckland 1642, New Zealand Ph +64 9 579 8084 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - _www.avg.com_ (http://www.avg.com/) Version: 2013.0.3267 / Virus Database: 3204/6441 - Release Date: 06/25/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 26 05:08:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55674276A for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 05:08:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B62B40541 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 05:08:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 66D8E70002C46 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfa004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.156]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3E970E000085 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:06:16 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:06:16 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372244776; bh=9sii2ij9WseNftYHYA5MwnLIv9ztpLJJmDtfIAXgE7Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XHMvk/hrcSs3v/BJwBuvo3eN9T5z15fZw9becRqGaG1Ux39mdRBIw5KVobHKaMKf+ k65anjegjGJrJsbXGLH4AwmLWpPFO/a4Dy16iN6q0//F3I/0NiZKFWDfANqwr8NdXD epJL713TanHbczoj5POXNyJuQpJq7LqHSNLo3MdQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290951cacb2850f5 Subject: [Tigers] A NERN ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-/161053943892?ViewItem=&ss PageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123&item=161053943892&forcev4exp=true My Tiger is a 66 MK1 A. When it was sold to the original owner it was registered on the pink as a 67. If I was to sell it I woudl sell it as a 66. Do these people know what they have? Evidently this one doesn't as this is also listed as FWD. Tempting though. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 26 11:42:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE88406AE for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 11:42:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm43-vm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm43-vm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3C2403D3 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 11:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm43.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2013 17:40:00 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.224] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2013 17:40:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2013 17:40:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 30969 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2013 17:40:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372268399; bh=Qe54gUnHGHDK1nLldIxyeXt+3FSvdWN0dtLgiBPYVz8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VAWhQ8DnxQGt1+7KC1dtaScK2zgixhdQE32s+wCNh8B7q/f/JLdaLUjF6RWlrW2ZsyDDX9LQ06Yi9+J4lcGiWjtRs9+LzzXZunVT0VhxWYD5xSrkQiBV2Rh+t2BwedEQZhkh5QEy5oYvUlwiEvErVUbD8Mq718jFYEm3ZyVrHsM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lMJGswehuad626NIEtjP+1NVBfDm/99Nhk1Lrp3BeiT19gZzt3DO5pW+AloLTC5Ka/pAQGlxXiYITJrTKmCSfPrk/BB38fb6eIvCtaQcytyu4HuPCedGKoXA4CtbJkHihLDAYERJWIdt/neV5yYfLA69tiE4NqDBWaXopjFrpAU=; 6rfAHu.aqIt_GeCdQETcq8v121tI_nclBPy5MfQ4Q_PeuOcU6XILtYIthdCa AIsZ7UKBYMjNwwF3eWVx_JQBG5uJTXkcvv19MSy2W.D.8bsXtoZFvLrdGM0H d6l0mPE3UUy3N_G_i5yGyLxFPvdC9haJiACqAQZS_vPCCLGiaOaQCLf8ua5y kTuIekLQ9wM6Ewp6WzB_jIvkgcwaxOnR57frh1.UFWA19qeWOWuTQmEsBcbC HFZBNKripidHZiV3ngq5jPSTmCxw1KI7WfDBC2EQXFOCWk_k5mGzcCPVDoj1 X3SISJZHdX12oO49XPVMb9OuBAkiZQTX007W5n26qiw1.qi1a2AweL8ODsWf FVOeBcoy9XMm5KBPNAwC0IH3IRb8hNd7Bz.qCH19GRzsTyIkrC4jFWLXxtH5 AUl9GIoKPUVS8C.UAtWIJ9ZmIX.rMvZo04U989A0rT7UypAdRWjTLwmOr2Jr ATlC3pljyi_CDD8NltxvGoDiDBtfxDQ4KN19PtmoQpckAzG9k Received: from [69.35.177.183] by web142605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 10:39:59 PDT QWZ0ZXIgMzAgeWVhcnMgaW4gc3RvcmFnZSwgdGhlIHJlYXIgYnJha2VzIGFyZSBmcm96ZW4uIFRoZSB3aGVlbCBjeWxpbmRlcnMgZmFpbCB0byBtb3ZlIGV2ZW4gYWZ0ZXIgc29ha2luZyBpbiBzb2x2ZW50LiBBbnkgc3VnZ2VzdGlvbnM_IENhbiBJIGdldCBuZXcgb25lcz8gV2hlcmU_IEhvdyBtdWNoPwpUaGUgYWRqdXN0ZXJzIGFyZSBhbHNvIGZyb3plbiBhbmQgaGF2ZSBub3Qgc29ha2VkIGZyZWUuIEFueSBzdWdnZXN0aW9ucz8KCkNhcmwBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 10:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Halgren To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Rear Brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net After 30 years in storage, the rear brakes are frozen. The wheel cylinders fail to move even after soaking in solvent. Any suggestions? Can I get new ones? Where? How much? The adjusters are also frozen and have not soaked free. Any suggestions? Carl _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 26 11:59:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E7942719 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 11:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5192540444 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 11:58:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id t4oh1l0060x6nqc015wrf6; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 17:56:51 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id t5wr1l0082xZMJ48Y5wr9s; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 17:56:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 17:56:51 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Carl Halgren s=q20121106; t=1372269411; bh=KxTIYlZMoGEGXR1WpatK8mVDYwPZiMu7W+GVQL11gLM=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=k/2vxyr1IQbETPo5eXJrAYtQxgRjGmTdaX/MmkRF6uvkT2xvvzIxD4pEEka8iYlTo 0nNGWoHz96QnR6CiaPD00vg4D2XLOKa34QuncZKNrvecMwMrmpbKtNQucBw3NMBmcT 5aCebzgOkcUNITrRe1G6RPjZQ7w03o84B9r1XUq4GYrp8YFDnkOdVz4YfaV4AhpxQF ReQCcg4BgfqoUd/8UqmN+arap9ZEJ2FcvaDI+WCX4ddMMI+K6zXrE6TKa+moidoEHw GYgy+5RA9gIX2MlO898WZCp8peCuLFuQiol+r63KSgAbrBgbrI2aw4Ln9UHtnLJGX3 iJB5pkQ1FgUEA== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net HiCarl, Have a look at Sunbeam Specialties, www.rootes.com, catalog, page 17 for rear wheel cylinder (HP44), page 18 for adjuster unit (BP45). No affiliation. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Halgren" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:39:59 PM Subject: [Tigers] Rear Brakes After 30 years in storage, the rear brakes are frozen. The wheel cylinders fail to move even after soaking in solvent. Any suggestions? Can I get new ones? Where? How much? The adjusters are also frozen and have not soaked free. Any suggestions? Carl _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 26 13:55:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B380840422 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 13:55:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0BD403D3 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 13:54:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ha12so1300217vcb.21 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 12:52:54 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aGrGZ4Y1QnmsxIBzF31l5LsrVIpLz1yAN+2gl+ZpuwI=; b=wZgA4xj2k225/E78tZIndpNCKOJQqRJfT8Fq2Dpv9ZwUxxBw4NX0XeI6KOUSKIUp7N zcYZuulE9QmLmxyjhNXZvVW06SFkBZsU4PulNrrkMj5CwGwiw5nfikZ9lHP1dN0Le8jI IGsNwWLQvgpNvoNCgqL3FEMbVPJOWFm3n8la5OrB9ywtU53udJJeHBpu1Us2K0bAteeh 7ULaFRAFlF3Cxt36+Ffky8gZbAf8HKV01hrlxFesK7H5ocRhvdk9TVNITbtWfnxi6/Gj fg4KXREyXtpmd2VLlYOGFxxS4Wbp7HKTQ92wnbVrezADJsm86SoffQvOo1bATScruRf2 5VUw== as7mr2335036ved.23.1372276374732; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 12:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.168.202 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 12:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 15:52:54 -0400 From: Chip Broadbooks To: LIST TIGER Subject: [Tigers] Kia Optima Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net So Lance, my 12 y/o son, and I were out for a Sunday drive in the Kitty. We get off the Interstate (I-40), headed towards the house, and sitting at the red light on the off ramp. There are two lanes turning left, which crosses under the interstate and there is a red light directly on the other side of the underpass. We were in the inside lane. A car pulls up beside us, and when the light turns green, just takes off fast as hell, only to stop at the red light on the other side of the underpass. We pull up at the light next to him and he starts revving his engine. Both Lance and I look over at him, and Lance looks back at me. Lance: "Dad.....Does he want to race?" Me: "It kind of sounds that way." Lance: "Um.... He's in a Kia. *A KIA!!*!" And we both start laughing. The light turns green and he just lights up his tires and is just accelerating *seemingly* very quickly. I didn't take off fast because really, I wasn't expecting THAT from a Kia! At the next light, we pull up beside him again. We're in the left lane, he's in the right. About two hundred yards after the light, the right lane merges into the left and you're on a semi-rural road. He starts revving up his engine again. Lance looks over at him and then back at me. "Uh-oh. I know that look. I need to hold on don't I?" I just smiled and winked at him. The light turns green, and of course I hit the gas as his tires were smoking again. I had him enough he had to drop in behind me at the merge. Then I shifted to 2nd, and let the Kitty run. He was right there for a bit. At least until through the wheel hop I got as the tires were spinning. And then we left him. About 2 miles down the road, we pull into the turn lane going towards our house. He pulls up again, rolled his window down, and gave us the thumbs up. As we were turning left, he was steady burning rubber again, taking off from the light. I really didn't give it too much thought, after all, it was just a Kia. We're at the house and I am making dinner as Lance is on his iPad. "Uhhh.....Dad?" "Yeah Buddy." "Do you know how many ponies that Kia had?" "Nope. Not a clue. I know he didn't have enough!" I said laughing. "274 Horsepower." "WHAT!!!" "274 Horsepower, and about 3200 pounds." "Let me see that!" Holy Crap!!! He was right!! 274 ponies in a 4 cyl KIA!!!!! -- *Never fear an unknown future to a known God!* _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 26 15:28:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F85406AD for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 15:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3C1403F6 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 15:23:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130626212158.LSNG3896.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 17:21:58 -0400 Received: from YoungPC ([72.219.166.60]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id t9Mm1l0081JWxns019MxcV; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 17:21:57 -0400 a=eDVKX862aksLsWzUFNx4ag==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=9skyNlTuIKcA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=j2eIPs6MGxqAuHFx39AA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=G84sqNGZGX_PuGGe:21 a=u7ZkyREcZGW_OH1l:21 a=eDVKX862aksLsWzUFNx4ag==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Ron Young" To: "Chip Broadbooks" , "LIST TIGER" References: Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:21:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Kia Optima Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Chip, I am one of the "lurkers" on the Tiger email list. I have always loved Tigers, they came out while I was in high school in Germany (Frankfurt American). Obviously, your Tiger is not stock otherwise you would have been spanked badly! The KIA specifically, and Korean cars in general have made vast improvements over the last few years. KIA hired Audi's chief designer and must be given a lot of credit for the looks of the current Optima. Be aware the Optima and Hyundai Sonata turbos are kissing cousins. The drive trains are identical. A few of other things to think about: the mileage is great- even playing around the guy was probably getting better mileage than the Tiger can get while behaving (32+ HWY), six speed auto, and a 10 year, 100,000 mile warranty- all for around $25K. BTW, check out the Optima's that are being raced professionally (I forget the series), they are doing very well, with relatively few modifications. Another thing, yes, I do have an Optima Turbo, and I do qualify as a "geezer". Having said that, the insurance on my Optima is over $1,000 less than the 2010 Camaro V-6 that I had- and the KIA is quicker and gets better mileage! Depending upon where you check, 0-60 ranges from around 5.9 to 6.2 seconds- again your Tiger must not be stock! Glad you had fun, it sounds like your son did, too. Ron Young Dana Point ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip Broadbooks" To: "LIST TIGER" Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:52 PM Subject: [Tigers] Kia Optima > So Lance, my 12 y/o son, and I were out for a Sunday drive in the Kitty. > We get off the Interstate (I-40), headed towards the house, and sitting at > the red light on the off ramp. There are two lanes turning left, which > crosses under the interstate and there is a red light directly on the > other > side of the underpass. We were in the inside lane. A car pulls up beside > us, and when the light turns green, just takes off fast as hell, only to > stop at the red light on the other side of the underpass. > > We pull up at the light next to him and he starts revving his engine. > Both > Lance and I look over at him, and Lance looks back at me. Lance: > "Dad.....Does he want to race?" > Me: "It kind of sounds that way." > Lance: "Um.... He's in a Kia. *A KIA!!*!" > And we both start laughing. > > The light turns green and he just lights up his tires and is just > accelerating *seemingly* very quickly. I didn't take off fast because > really, I wasn't expecting THAT from a Kia! > > At the next light, we pull up beside him again. We're in the left lane, > he's in the right. About two hundred yards after the light, the right > lane > merges into the left and you're on a semi-rural road. He starts revving > up > his engine again. Lance looks over at him and then back at me. > "Uh-oh. I know that look. I need to hold on don't I?" > I just smiled and winked at him. > > The light turns green, and of course I hit the gas as his tires were > smoking again. I had him enough he had to drop in behind me at the merge. > Then I shifted to 2nd, and let the Kitty run. He was right there for a > bit. At least until through the wheel hop I got as the tires were > spinning. > And then we left him. > > About 2 miles down the road, we pull into the turn lane going towards our > house. He pulls up again, rolled his window down, and gave us the thumbs > up. As we were turning left, he was steady burning rubber again, taking > off > from the light. I really didn't give it too much thought, after all, it > was just a Kia. > > We're at the house and I am making dinner as Lance is on his iPad. > "Uhhh.....Dad?" > "Yeah Buddy." > "Do you know how many ponies that Kia had?" > "Nope. Not a clue. I know he didn't have enough!" I said laughing. > "274 Horsepower." > "WHAT!!!" > "274 Horsepower, and about 3200 pounds." > "Let me see that!" > > Holy Crap!!! He was right!! > 274 ponies in a 4 cyl KIA!!!!! > > > > -- > *Never fear an unknown future to a known God!* > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ron.young@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 26 20:36:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5565B40536 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:36:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78362403A0 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tEM11l0030cZkys53EZv6r; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 02:33:55 +0000 Received: from OldHickory.comcast.net ([24.125.152.10]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tEZu1l00V0DizLw3WEZviw; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 02:33:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 22:24:07 -0400 To: "Ron Young" , "Chip Broadbooks" , "LIST TIGER" From: Marc James Small References: <1EFA4AA249B94B1698D9531866207215@YoungPC> s=q20121106; t=1372300435; bh=8yao0m7ogT2WsTX2Z8Tnvvibtxa6eFkHYq+MnKkSb+w=; h=Received:Received:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=XQkZ/9gFY1oDU05i589czX3YnKPafOgqm0BraICmuBbGYNDln+2ZXl7MOaUbO9Am6 u2GQVq1nfKov/oekTX/4p6/IuFyFV6l7EIpWo9duN6Gm1GlHUvKjOzdYgojJNePxAP VXMu7/p5Zh1denBb//orbGGeCYfLy2/I1etgClYtynH5e4sa1DjmwmCzd/iUCGOiCo 68OGdXIczfqqRGa5kl6IYmKD5L/s10X75DCoZhE3WLpZ8wW+rqERHwVZ56iLQT0398 rOUJGSuju+ANgeRDDi5aO2SY5pvE41WIS3creP4biHYKi7x+lv98RFgUObiHZ3zG0W UKOqInlnRviqw== Subject: [Tigers] Very OT: Korean Cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I still have a pile of VW and Sunbeam parts sinking into the dirt under my back deck. My wife bought a 2004 Hyundai Elantra straight in 2005 and I was really impressed with it. Then she traded that for a 2006 Sonata slide-o-matic and that has been our daily driver for the past four years. (I AM a geezer, at 63, and am very much retired, while Pam works at home in senior medical management, so we rarely 'daily drive'.) Now, she is buying her son-in-law's 2003 Santa Fe for me, a straight, of course: I have never owned a slide-o-matic and shall never do so. When I cannot figure out which gear to be in, well, then it is time for me to be off the road. The Koreans build great cars. We put a thousand miles on a Kia in Ireland a decade back and another thousand on another one in Alaska seven years ago. Hyundai seems to be the most profitable car maker in the world at present, and I can see why. Wonderful cars, wonderful service. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 26 20:38:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB2D4053A for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:38:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9C2403A0 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:38:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.105] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2013 02:36:39 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.239] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2013 02:36:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2013 02:36:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 7904 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2013 02:36:38 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372300598; bh=+LGzJetnsy28jgtB/VhlbqAlb8Fv2IGgc66d3a8dbvQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=p3nA4vaR9jb/R+ysXVYFTck9owOPInOQn00GcgRRJQ+qhUIYP0E4wKUmjo4ho0j6hxf+AeyvzhZqm0hB6CJu9nWs/Eqw75p7EztnRemmk4n0uRKvSuwlbjUUXK8oTnvXkrJYhRVYqfkJKAQiyKAEzSFl+QlzRHAOe0peM8PU2hI= s=s1024; d=bellsouth.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zswhvf3kJ3/vTCndXzbIQGPwNAtEvfXGf6GoD7iOfElt4OQos6K2zjh4qchIDnbW2fkzqyTq3w7WF3H6oreRRiDV9XdPW7RjVX3UPmCO60irkZj6WL6gPiz4yv+q+9aQB/z2TvbFGQEfXCPZDIAjbBgycq8go7qUnT/zuR2izdE=; OtxQPrzsuKwK.d258xTiPAA_FFgzX7UyXvISiBF5Bvigj3VUrF5y.7qZZZ7W W1FWTmdcbXtmyyMoAUbgXvRtpoT57Ss3XZrIIjNni.EGiOjwHYqwoFpvB8L7 WDSamA10uPXTGOCzCWwSDJz9Kxt5Ek_dOxWdBc4zEIg7AJmOu5V.9nTVzEUv DyiH.Qr617H2dMg_fT9bhdNZ7BqQ7OfTfg28JjVkDDxF3UBoCop8wDPqmLwh 6GP9yId8ON02p7TBiYwSLb0ou3KDWpWzM3Hf1mDZJolkXcwLOY7Oe8ogfRht KNgRHlmXKJVzGOCH3xF30LFR5W_6bq7xzO0gcHpNHO5GhNEh5xOa9NHLU63O WUaO1cLIKT9oTdVTwvdUM9XY3tEmJ8Um.73iLiPdvJQ.yKduC78dFV2jD4lN qaYxoc4R5Ufkaci9S2HIFpaF1vt79Tk21P2cS2rop2lA5ZU_R1dA.PjnEdKI noDNTjv9ySpcjw3ICK0McBpAFta2vuS7ep5Phzd27OeZAli4toIpEeNrrJWQ dlI4klqaqIisdBiflVc9yr5n4Y0WDJC3M_MwDzbYAgf2TcZENKq4YukAwh_f rZzX_2mYQidWGAFHGWoo9ZkrTOgGMersr_OzDpzzWOG3jHDrlTImPzSwMF_. miQtBW5dZLfl6DBwxwqoXoL0BshhwMekWsOQMZ4oNjUO3w79ZOZd7 Received: from [99.46.224.51] by web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 19:36:38 PDT Tm8gb25lIGNhbiBvdXQgc2hpZnQgYSBwdXRlciBub3QgZXZlbiBCaWxsICJHcnVtcHkiIEplbmtpbnMuLi4gaWYgeW91IHJlY2FsbCB3aG8gaGUgaXMgb3IgcGVyaGFwcyB3YXMNCg0KLS0tIE9uIFdlZCwgNi8yNi8xMywgTWFyYyBKYW1lcyBTbWFsbCA8bWFyY3NtYWxsQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0PiB3cm90ZToNCg0KDQpGcm9tOiBNYXJjIEphbWVzIFNtYWxsIDxtYXJjc21hbGxAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ.DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBbVGlnZXJzXSBWZXJ5IE9UOiBLb3JlYW4gQ2Fycw0KVG86ICJSb24gWW91bmciIDxyb24ueW8BMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 19:36:38 -0700 (PDT) From: james ellis To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Very OT: Korean Cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net No one can out shift a puter not even Bill "Grumpy" Jenkins... if you recall who he is or perhaps was --- On Wed, 6/26/13, Marc James Small wrote: From: Marc James Small Subject: [Tigers] Very OT: Korean Cars To: "Ron Young" , "Chip Broadbooks" , "LIST TIGER" Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2013, 10:24 PM I still have a pile of VW and Sunbeam parts sinking into the dirt under my back deck. My wife bought a 2004 Hyundai Elantra straight in 2005 and I was really impressed with it. Then she traded that for a 2006 Sonata slide-o-matic and that has been our daily driver for the past four years. (I AM a geezer, at 63, and am very much retired, while Pam works at home in senior medical management, so we rarely 'daily drive'.) Now, she is buying her son-in-law's 2003 Santa Fe for me, a straight, of course: I have never owned a slide-o-matic and shall never do so. When I cannot figure out which gear to be in, well, then it is time for me to be off the road. The Koreans build great cars. We put a thousand miles on a Kia in Ireland a decade back and another thousand on another one in Alaska seven years ago. Hyundai seems to be the most profitable car maker in the world at present, and I can see why. Wonderful cars, wonderful service. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/hunber@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 26 20:48:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB94F40535 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E4A403A0 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:45:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tE101l00217dt5G5BEjimu; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 02:43:42 +0000 Received: from OldHickory.comcast.net ([24.125.152.10]) by omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tEjh1l0100DizLw3ZEjiNk; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 02:43:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 22:43:28 -0400 To: james ellis ,tigers@autox.team.net From: Marc James Small References: <20130627023624.0E0D640512@autox.team.net> <1372300598.3910.YahooMailClassic@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> s=q20121106; t=1372301022; bh=9KK53MFm1h7NDec+C6pV6cX/vtRAdDPTQX7wK+vp10o=; h=Received:Received:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Bfy8tlnqHKJARFaoazmsepRwRROTr2+Hbmc+4olxSI/VJEM3TAyWmh7WjCKy4L1Mf kuJvf41yGO8y7dxpi6KUlNHXerOLGLpsskclCIGJ3irQqo0Zc2dqXYDuwLsd43Fv5e RXxQTOnQHASCsd5In2kvy0f01egHuG3NTPe2/U8ksUasdPn5w+tuS7if6SZzB7P6qO a0a+pGTnwpYdIeYbNQg8IWkI1yyrBjJy8u9xc1g9OaIyPifgZUwk84s5A0PvYmgNLA 34WG+NEm0lbG/DXBHObVDgpExFjr/1wxQeh74+OOH4SLe48MwbXnZh4NQjfSCAwfM4 HONLYDFjgIntQ== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Very OT: Korean Cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At 10:36 PM 6/26/2013, james ellis wrote: >No one can out shift a puter not even Bill "Grumpy" Jenkins... if you recall >who he is or perhaps was I met Porky Chedwick once, and none of you know who he is. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 27 06:04:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8904276C for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 06:04:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f45.google.com (mail-vb0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE88E4274D for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 06:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id p14so533918vbm.18 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Z2yEfJRcdQ4hKezP0619QANvtPsPf4zGskTU4RFc7L4=; b=hXNHS1JmjJEsL1Zpm7anMs8lmPEXvafwFPvB7hsxAy0nCEKOe2LnNyez+QpDGUhkFu dVZf8AO793J5KqyO23Qbjf1UnQyJ9EzLRZ0Tc+vAS+ZjQH3dgVmnEM1yEDUywKqQlGSP KTJs8VIgRebjx9tE3xJCKm+L7aEKtPYlPuivyURssnGDqVxEHipHxYoWmWWhHAE/fZ+O ou+G4naIGxbNVl7ry/nQ9vxbB6B4uzMarAyuEYoJmlbPshsj4IoUTCy1I5CmarXJT+Sq arqu7ZZ2n8KjViuo8brczmi5xYIsIULMmakHpPE9+BQRDnlbSnYscXreEbNEM0I3uFdS ueJg== bm17mr2803267vdc.94.1372334515783; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.168.202 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <1EFA4AA249B94B1698D9531866207215@YoungPC> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:01:55 -0400 From: Chip Broadbooks To: LIST TIGER Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Kia Optima Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I had sent this to Ron, but not the rest of the list. Some of you know the story behind the Tiger. I don't recall exactly when my dad parked the car, but the tag went out on his birthday in 1975. I was seven years old at that time. Jay L: I have been perusing the thread you sent me concerning keeping the Kitty calm so she doesn't get hot under the collar. Thanks. I am digesting the vast wealth of info your dad and others had. HP to weight ratio: Mine about 12HP/100 Lbs. Kia about 8.5HP/100 Lbs. HP to cubic inch ratio: Mine: 1.1 HP/in^3 (I rounded up) Kia: 2.25 HP/in^3 Ron, Wow!!! I knew that both had made vast improvements, and were no longer "disposable." I really had no idea about the HP. I had a 2007 Hyundai Sonata V6, Platinum Edition. It could certainly scoot. But not as quick as the Tiger. As far as being stock, No. My dad gave it to me the week before he passed away, so I spent the last 4 years, getting it back on the road. He parked it in 1974. The original engine is off to the side. I have a high-performance 289 in it now. Somewhere between the 315 and 325 horsepower range. The guy who built the engine, was a really good friend of my dad. He had started building muscle car engines in the late 60's for the 1/4 mile. My tach is original so it hits red at 5000 rpm, but realistically, it's at 6000, and I can take it to 6500, but since my tach doesn't go that high, I don't. Wonder why the Kitty starts getting a bit red under the collar if she sits too long.... If you do an internet search on Toploader transmission specialist, two come up. One is in Texas (David Kee), and one is in Franklin, North Carolina (Dan Williams.) I am an hour away from Franklin!! So you can guess where I took my transmission! He switched out the gears, and put his "Racing Package" in. In 4th gear at 3000 rpm I'm doing 80 miles per hour. So...... I am VERY glad it's not stock! I would have had my butt handed to me! Chip -- *Never fear an unknown future to a known God!* _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 06:11:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397FE40424 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:11:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f49.google.com (mail-qe0-f49.google.com [209.85.128.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0451403F3 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:05:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f49.google.com with SMTP id cz11so624508qeb.22 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 05:05:25 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=J2g3K/GoE5ZRY0tJK0pNsTBzf++BK8gCYOvuEKccOuY=; b=YfvhGDU1t9Rf4V+XKxHgCeB037bGiQZ/Z3PEKxpiT1h0OKQZCVZIwfAAcY5ohGC7zJ dhB4eP+vorFUVk189xgfAq/jU3GR8+NIrnZlvTWahiC50LgYsNWW7Eqi3n+YOvVmfZwd 4BeJPYgp5J0xjReSeUn/l6W/0lydjkzYkJA9AGWw7fn+5v8ccS+7xoS9G7HQCjZ/Kunp V7MbR7Kd9POZX05eyg58pmCro3yTM36GyPV7DFZPcN5j2h0BMGy2bDInqxm8yHY5gnsQ Vnj3mf0fJ66XMVPYoOOb9KyV2F6LlxIsicc6RiCgy10tldIMWhu8Ve5wKWXLbG/HK2xe SfBA== q8mr16487450qez.32.1372421125621; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 05:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OwnerPC (pool-70-16-213-32.man.east.myfairpoint.net. [70.16.213.32]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id o9sm9414193qag.6.2013.06.28.05.05.24 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 28 Jun 2013 05:05:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "robert jaarsma" <64venezia@gmail.com> To: Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:05:22 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5z98DXtQG70NvaSYCtOlxfLEJ3ag== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My Tiger with a 289 needed a new water pump, so I got the one from Sunbeam Specialties. No surprises there. Pulley lined up perfectly with the balancer pulley. My generator was still ok, but I estimated its life would not be too much longer. So for a while I thought about swapping it for an alternator. It never really lined up perfectly. But during 20 years, never gave a problem either. Possibly shortened the water pumps life? . Since there was recently a discussion about alternators, I decide to take the plunge and make it easy on myself and I bought the Powermaster unit. My alternator pulley is off by > with the water pump pulley! The way its pulley is mounted it has a heavy rim on the outside, which throws the v-groove off by maybe 1/8. So if I turn it around, I will still be off by >-1/8= 5/8. All powermaster other mounting dimensions are identical, 6 between the ears, to straddle the original mounting arm. Now I suspect the original mounting bracket. 1). I could put spacer between it and the engine block, the bring the alternator forwards. However the dipstick doesnt give me much room. 2). I could bring the alternator forwards by putting the rear ear on the front side of the bracket and add a spacer at the front ear. But the alternator ear would not clear the rib of the cast Tiger mounting bracket. Not an elegant solution. But then, how could the original cast Tiger bracket be off by that much? If it was fabricated it possibly could bend, but not a casting. Reyer and I measured everything again tonight, but we can not see whats wrong. Any ideas? Just one more thing besides my electrical problem: the white wire from ignition switch to tach to coil resistor filled itself with Lucas smoke. Why?? All insulation half burned. No obvious short I could see. I am almost ready to take it all apart and rewire the whole car. Any body has any ideas?? thanks, Robert Jaarsma _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 07:13:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B526540527 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:13:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f41.google.com (mail-qe0-f41.google.com [209.85.128.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2EC8403F3 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:12:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f41.google.com with SMTP id b4so664079qen.14 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:12:23 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=LGdYBeOqdgZqjowlEcizbNbD5C9iFEHAa+aKz8Olq+M=; b=eXEts/IU1AAP8XIkXdtlaVqPYewn0uV0+zULqxFMQy43sbqdgyx7voNV/rOoOLH/yw BFepLVlmTEln9Cdt5Xes95668DP/ux6614TLXCo4k36exmcxMNyxOwWAQCOHn7/MD36j evnf5Nbom3L/fTEtJlNl7hzzR8T1fCmZf9CRVa0ufcOGohAWzUU/KpUd2xXOZUVAwsB1 mK3FTQv1cldXt++sjv03NF7VFGI84p/PBOMJxKyXRryJSNB12Krd4dt/izEXTEsn75Pv NV+qUWQNs55Khe9ikcCExw5e4EMcloZQyxPHlHDAixFe2yuTn/Y/AgcNsCqoL6HNV1vU 4IuQ== y2mr17621111qai.61.1372425143352; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.132.1 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:12:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <001701ce73f7$c5270c30$4f752490$@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:12:23 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: robert jaarsma <64venezia@gmail.com> Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Robert, What are you using for an alternator bracket? Tom '67 Mark 2 On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:05 AM, robert jaarsma <64venezia@gmail.com> wrote: > My Tiger with a 289 needed a new water pump, so I got the one from Sunbeam > Specialties. No surprises there. Pulley lined up perfectly with the > balancer > pulley. > > My generator was still ok, but I estimated its life would not be too much > longer. So for a while I thought about swapping it for an alternator. It > never really lined up perfectly. But during 20 years, never gave a problem > either. Possibly shortened the water pumps life? . > > Since there was recently a discussion about alternators, I decide to take > the plunge and make it easy on myself and I bought the Powermaster unit. My > alternator pulley is off by > with the water pump pulley! The way its > pulley is mounted it has a heavy rim on the outside, which throws the > v-groove off by maybe 1/8 . So if I turn it around, I will still be off by > >-1/8= 5/8 . All powermaster other mounting dimensions are identical, 6 > between the ears, to straddle the original mounting arm. Now I suspect the > original mounting bracket. 1). I could put spacer between it and the engine > block, the bring the alternator forwards. However the dipstick doesn t give > me much room. 2). I could bring the alternator forwards by putting the rear > ear on the front side of the bracket and add a spacer at the front ear. But > the alternator ear would not clear the rib of the cast Tiger mounting > bracket. Not an elegant solution. But then, how could the original cast > Tiger bracket be off by that much? If it was fabricated it possibly could > bend, but not a casting. Reyer and I measured everything again tonight, but > we can not see what s wrong. Any ideas? > > Just one more thing besides my electrical problem: the white wire from > ignition switch to tach to coil resistor filled itself with Lucas smoke. > Why?? All insulation half burned. No obvious short I could see. I am almost > ready to take it all apart and rewire the whole car. Any body has any > ideas?? thanks, Robert Jaarsma > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 07:58:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5559B4042A for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:58:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB633403F3 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004960.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5SDru0b026567; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:54:04 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b12b) id dm0219.5192ebc4.52a71d; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:52:53 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'robert jaarsma'" <64venezia@gmail.com>, Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:52:46 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5z98DXtQG70NvaSYCtOlxfLEJ3agADOB8g engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-28_06:2013-06-28,2013-06-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306280080 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Robert When I converted to an alternator system I used a 60s style alternator and built my own bracket. A different alternator would require changing dimensions of that bracket to make your alternator fit and line up correctly. Some of the Ford alternator pulleys have a spacer on the alternator shaft. Is this possible for your alternator? Unfortunately you never know when Factory tolerances will stack up against you and when you change parts it happens more often. I believe the offset fan belts will tolerate is about 1/8" per foot of distance. A fan belt web site should list that information to check my statement. I personally prefer as little offset as possible. I would not expect the white wire to smoke unless the ballast resistor shorted to ground but you also need to check the white/blue wire for a problem. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robert jaarsma Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:05 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up My Tiger with a 289 needed a new water pump, so I got the one from Sunbeam Specialties. No surprises there. Pulley lined up perfectly with the balancer pulley. My generator was still ok, but I estimated its life would not be too much longer. So for a while I thought about swapping it for an alternator. It never really lined up perfectly. But during 20 years, never gave a problem either. Possibly shortened the water pumps life? . Since there was recently a discussion about alternators, I decide to take the plunge and make it easy on myself and I bought the Powermaster unit. My alternator pulley is off by > with the water pump pulley! The way its pulley is mounted it has a heavy rim on the outside, which throws the v-groove off by maybe 1/8. So if I turn it around, I will still be off by >-1/8= 5/8. All powermaster other mounting dimensions are identical, 6 between the ears, to straddle the original mounting arm. Now I suspect the original mounting bracket. 1). I could put spacer between it and the engine block, the bring the alternator forwards. However the dipstick doesnt give me much room. 2). I could bring the alternator forwards by putting the rear ear on the front side of the bracket and add a spacer at the front ear. But the alternator ear would not clear the rib of the cast Tiger mounting bracket. Not an elegant solution. But then, how could the original cast Tiger bracket be off by that much? If it was fabricated it possibly could bend, but not a casting. Reyer and I measured everything again tonight, but we can not see whats wrong. Any ideas? Just one more thing besides my electrical problem: the white wire from ignition switch to tach to coil resistor filled itself with Lucas smoke. Why?? All insulation half burned. No obvious short I could see. I am almost ready to take it all apart and rewire the whole car. Any body has any ideas?? thanks, Robert Jaarsma _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 08:04:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875CA4043A for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A83403F3 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:04:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6EE32700441EF; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mse005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.81]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 38CAEE000087; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:04:23 -0400 (EDT) References: <1372268399.19653.YahooMailNeo@web142605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: cghalgren@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net From: phastphill@aol.com Received: from 184.151.61.44 by webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.20) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:04:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:04:23 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372428263; bh=KpzbczlFkleNqzsYpus9ehuZtN8ANEr+wrR5PcxvduY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=seE+8/QP1BfQHmPe9zSJrJ+D9UKtul4QpASGv6jePYchjuVn45ttwH8uoXgoGgZ9q SodtzcbdtPKbtTL9Otrq9sYnAtpW75B860qosRu1eeTSKqaZkKNRn5BicZ4l4vvJK5 BEQ/9qwzLzo5/2xzmmu4kf9BieK0p+29MYS5T5tI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290951cd97e7347a Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net 30 year old brakes,remove,replace everything , clean inspect and repaint the rest, backing plates etc, pitch the springs clips etc, and run new brake lines and the flex hose, do it the right way now not later. The whole system front to rear should be new, it's all availabile and not worth skimping on.just my 2 cents ---- Original Message ---- From: Carl Halgren To: tigers Sent: Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:40 pm Subject: [Tigers] Rear Brakes After 30 years in storage, the rear brakes are frozen. The wheel cylinders fail to move even after soaking in solvent. Any suggestions? Can I get new ones? Where? How much? The adjusters are also frozen and have not soaked free. Any suggestions? Carl _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/phastphill@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 08:28:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722114040F for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:28:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A48400A4 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 14so1874013vea.15 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:26:55 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=5ElpbTu3fjDJO+lVCrlT1SVTDivnkvGoRpS+NN6ny5w=; b=Q3whRDQq2WiaqTuGYzppHEl4ZSb1dK3NCEGXuRPH30e9IhJ7anVrmLs1JBpQdUWGAA hVpYP+hcpnT+ft4bFx9416oQhTKgtX9mYYMaGR3qNRmog1EnnuUQxEy3qn3Kx5MvOnr9 EEbKEiYWNl+vOtMMArwmda9LMeayVYWrDYryWAWxV9X7VNyrVhC2XY+j4nYngrk5qwoJ gfL0dAnzMhudjophO4mxyXwLsPRmm6dPHDs2thI5q/+miHrkxttqm5DGbKBHLfjHq+5m WQiNDALwdwvHtDphIiQIvZs2X8QOFw0szAirPO1kuF53mJY9JbDDeUDxyk/Z9JwaXtHi zZug== bm17mr4692316vdc.94.1372429614995; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.168.202 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:26:54 -0700 (PDT) References: <001701ce73f7$c5270c30$4f752490$@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:26:54 -0400 From: Chip Broadbooks To: robert jaarsma <64venezia@gmail.com> Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tried to send this from my phone, but for some reason, it seems to be hung up. I used the alternator bracket CAT sells. Lines up perfect. The alternator bracket for a Mark II should work as well. Obviously, they are a bit hard to come by, and pricey when they are available. You can purchase an awesome reproduction one from Reisentz Restorations for $160. http://www.reisentzrestorations.com/parts/parts.htm Chip On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:05 AM, robert jaarsma <64venezia@gmail.com> wrote: > My Tiger with a 289 needed a new water pump, so I got the one from Sunbeam > Specialties. No surprises there. Pulley lined up perfectly with the > balancer > pulley. > > My generator was still ok, but I estimated its life would not be too much > longer. So for a while I thought about swapping it for an alternator. It > never really lined up perfectly. But during 20 years, never gave a problem > either. Possibly shortened the water pumps life? . > > Since there was recently a discussion about alternators, I decide to take > the plunge and make it easy on myself and I bought the Powermaster unit. My > alternator pulley is off by > with the water pump pulley! The way its > pulley is mounted it has a heavy rim on the outside, which throws the > v-groove off by maybe 1/8 . So if I turn it around, I will still be off by > >-1/8= 5/8 . All powermaster other mounting dimensions are identical, 6 > between the ears, to straddle the original mounting arm. Now I suspect the > original mounting bracket. 1). I could put spacer between it and the engine > block, the bring the alternator forwards. However the dipstick doesn t give > me much room. 2). I could bring the alternator forwards by putting the rear > ear on the front side of the bracket and add a spacer at the front ear. But > the alternator ear would not clear the rib of the cast Tiger mounting > bracket. Not an elegant solution. But then, how could the original cast > Tiger bracket be off by that much? If it was fabricated it possibly could > bend, but not a casting. Reyer and I measured everything again tonight, but > we can not see what s wrong. Any ideas? > > Just one more thing besides my electrical problem: the white wire from > ignition switch to tach to coil resistor filled itself with Lucas smoke. > Why?? All insulation half burned. No obvious short I could see. I am almost > ready to take it all apart and rewire the whole car. Any body has any > ideas?? thanks, Robert Jaarsma > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/chip.broadbooks@gmail.com > > > -- *Never fear an unknown future to a known God!* _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 08:28:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E9340511 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:28:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51D8403F3 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.175] by nm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2013 14:27:13 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.208] by tm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2013 14:27:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp219.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2013 14:27:13 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372429633; bh=ujxSZePavEI5mLLDd7Y2JavdEEeNPBn1scbHCqjN2wo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=laNkl8mGk+wr/tUMfZ65w22B+tYkPZvinigfj/FnDIHNAXhOG1MhbOjIcnmqT2MZ2L1B4zUoeua68xeJjwn+K/0o3FCsoxnR5gmp0DJXo/ekM+UQP9GRpFQ86VDKHoJdPRyuEpQXJZqdIRDPd0rnmsdnA7uRHydaC9kNmfL03j4= ccR2NNLsW31nO5Z9lpNbMheu6lX5OG38f2if0XXPqQZgYCC8wZpTMq8.75if tW_OLL72MFn19MKLdDhazpryqUrCWt7yuJtkWR.SnwEv631Xy3uUJsbXvKl5 ARC284_ssArrjbCwO0RbtoMEYanVmwg0dTUBWb7QlILrA570th1ibYRM4wHb BWIHGsFBLAyB058vFo1ErIVSjpTixSneJG.Fif5cgZSc5m0lWZ3pZKQYqIYQ trKLlhwJbPdtF5Av_H942FkErreLH_h2BCd0OqkfPDRDkJnibQEhuO.mkmBL qzQeHAkiK.zyUS4SdirTdO7xqH1yRhpvYpNNUqIy_AcHrW5G1IGftohgLErM sGi.Y1IQyvhlvSTg7K7kafi64cRSZJS2Lv2TVPnJxXQprvGGjK0fAqCgp6KT Lo3rv8GiwESyB1GMgnILDLwPvvwgpPDMhX_sisrfDtCNVTV99tJMEHbAL3GU dJXWN2gKaWh8rDbyuiDaNDyNC15BKiFy1UMX8mEt3x8FOIF1wWBjnmWwoUFk CPN.CzeVSPviKtotXhMpZ.oMLMdn3OqVSxGtiMxk- smtp219.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2013 14:27:12 +0000 UTC Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:27:26 -0500 From: TtT To: phastphill@aol.com, cghalgren@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with Phil. Also decide if you are going with the booster and make provisions, like smaller bore MC and proper lines and lastly if you've considered rear disc as parts and brackets available from one of our members. Theo is also knowledge, other wise fix the stock items properly now. TtT Sent from Huawei Mobile phastphill@aol.com wrote: >30 year old brakes,remove,replace everything , clean inspect and repaint the >rest, backing plates etc, pitch the springs clips etc, and run new brake lines >and the flex hose, do it the right way now not later. The whole system front >to rear should be new, it's all availabile and not worth skimping on.just my 2 >cents > > > >---- Original Message ---- >From: Carl Halgren >To: tigers >Sent: Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:40 pm >Subject: [Tigers] Rear Brakes > > >After 30 years in storage, the rear brakes are frozen. The wheel cylinders >fail >to move even after soaking in solvent. Any suggestions? Can I get new ones? >Where? How much? >The adjusters are also frozen and have not soaked free. Any suggestions? > >Carl >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/phastphill@aol.com >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 09:03:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89BE740439 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:03:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com (mail-ve0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCDD403F3 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:03:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id c13so1931373vea.35 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:03:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=AF19dcsnJEjsOYYOn3KRpIyC/YXzoU1HXDAJZ0M99hg=; b=toL37EPiOQCv8B3Gubv2sqJ4T/FcbX54tJvKaLIKEdeuhl0hmt0Ig6I+7h3NLc8DTb Ne/7Yld7DKUXEkux3j3GyxlVBh0d6Ikzdk4XY6gngbF3LO+FYq5ugAyZgNMpnlFdL0cB JG8OcPshDWKVpGMx1wo0cX3RWnVY2DWuH1OfKg2U+ClxiR6db73a4cGJG/2VoMhdErzv HLufTDvIm++X0c5Iqsd9+F14//Xx46E9Px43Es5gScupHGTLiImEzsFfcGgUYNR6CN1a IP5y8Wwa3amtC4xY1qdaS/SnCyN4NMl1eU1Wpnf63Rspf+4YImgHJuFpjgJ/MjTOCc/2 fBrg== as16mr4740557vdc.81.1372431801225; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.168.202 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.168.202 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:03:20 -0700 (PDT) References: <001701ce73f7$c5270c30$4f752490$@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:03:20 -0400 From: Chip Broadbooks To: robert jaarsma <64venezia@gmail.com> Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I used the alternator bracket from CAT. Lines up perfect. www.reisentzrestorations.com has an aluminum version of the Mark II for $160. On Jun 28, 2013 8:11 AM, "robert jaarsma" <64venezia@gmail.com> wrote: > My Tiger with a 289 needed a new water pump, so I got the one from Sunbeam > Specialties. No surprises there. Pulley lined up perfectly with the > balancer > pulley. > > My generator was still ok, but I estimated its life would not be too much > longer. So for a while I thought about swapping it for an alternator. It > never really lined up perfectly. But during 20 years, never gave a problem > either. Possibly shortened the water pumps life? . > > Since there was recently a discussion about alternators, I decide to take > the plunge and make it easy on myself and I bought the Powermaster unit. My > alternator pulley is off by > with the water pump pulley! The way its > pulley is mounted it has a heavy rim on the outside, which throws the > v-groove off by maybe 1/8 . So if I turn it around, I will still be off by > >-1/8= 5/8 . All powermaster other mounting dimensions are identical, 6 > between the ears, to straddle the original mounting arm. Now I suspect the > original mounting bracket. 1). I could put spacer between it and the engine > block, the bring the alternator forwards. However the dipstick doesn t give > me much room. 2). I could bring the alternator forwards by putting the rear > ear on the front side of the bracket and add a spacer at the front ear. But > the alternator ear would not clear the rib of the cast Tiger mounting > bracket. Not an elegant solution. But then, how could the original cast > Tiger bracket be off by that much? If it was fabricated it possibly could > bend, but not a casting. Reyer and I measured everything again tonight, but > we can not see what s wrong. Any ideas? > > Just one more thing besides my electrical problem: the white wire from > ignition switch to tach to coil resistor filled itself with Lucas smoke. > Why?? All insulation half burned. No obvious short I could see. I am almost > ready to take it all apart and rewire the whole car. Any body has any > ideas?? thanks, Robert Jaarsma > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/chip.broadbooks@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 09:16:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1DF40447 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:16:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC90B403F3 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:15:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5SFCvgR030479; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:15:30 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189688) id sj1-dm103.5192ebfe.5a997e; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:15:21 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Chip Broadbooks'" , "'robert jaarsma'" <64venezia@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:15:14 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac50C8NHS58IW693SZ6tZfdPgAfpYwAA6Huw engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-28_07:2013-06-28,2013-06-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306280099 Cc: 'LIST TIGER' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Chip is correct Reisentz Restorations, Sunbeam Specialties and CAT have an Alternator bracket. The only alternative is to design your own and fabricate one. I used plywood, it took about 3 iteration to position the alternator to my satisfaction. I then fabricate the bracket out of steel and welded it together. The problem is when you are not using Stock style parts; the position of everything must be checked. Different parts can have slightly different offsets or the mounting posts are in a slightly different position. These tolerances can add up against you or they can work in your favor. The point is to check them. I like to use the laser pointer on my infrared thermometer. I line it up in the bottom of the generator or alternator pulley groove then rotate it carefully to point at the water pump groove or the crank pulley. A laser with a pulley groove profile mount would be even better. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chip Broadbooks Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 10:27 AM To: robert jaarsma Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up Tried to send this from my phone, but for some reason, it seems to be hung up. I used the alternator bracket CAT sells. Lines up perfect. The alternator bracket for a Mark II should work as well. Obviously, they are a bit hard to come by, and pricey when they are available. You can purchase an awesome reproduction one from Reisentz Restorations for $160. http://www.reisentzrestorations.com/parts/parts.htm Chip On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:05 AM, robert jaarsma <64venezia@gmail.com> wrote: > My Tiger with a 289 needed a new water pump, so I got the one from > Sunbeam Specialties. No surprises there. Pulley lined up perfectly > with the balancer pulley. > > My generator was still ok, but I estimated its life would not be too > much longer. So for a while I thought about swapping it for an > alternator. It never really lined up perfectly. But during 20 years, > never gave a problem either. Possibly shortened the water pumps life? > . > > Since there was recently a discussion about alternators, I decide to > take the plunge and make it easy on myself and I bought the > Powermaster unit. My alternator pulley is off by > with the water > pump pulley! The way its pulley is mounted it has a heavy rim on the > outside, which throws the v-groove off by maybe 1/8 . So if I turn it > around, I will still be off by > >-1/8= 5/8 . All powermaster other mounting dimensions are identical, > >6 > between the ears, to straddle the original mounting arm. Now I suspect > the original mounting bracket. 1). I could put spacer between it and > the engine block, the bring the alternator forwards. However the > dipstick doesn t give me much room. 2). I could bring the alternator > forwards by putting the rear ear on the front side of the bracket and > add a spacer at the front ear. But the alternator ear would not clear > the rib of the cast Tiger mounting bracket. Not an elegant solution. > But then, how could the original cast Tiger bracket be off by that > much? If it was fabricated it possibly could bend, but not a casting. > Reyer and I measured everything again tonight, but we can not see what > s wrong. Any ideas? > > Just one more thing besides my electrical problem: the white wire from > ignition switch to tach to coil resistor filled itself with Lucas > smoke. Why?? All insulation half burned. No obvious short I could see. > I am almost ready to take it all apart and rewire the whole car. Any > body has any ideas?? thanks, Robert Jaarsma > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/chip.broadbooks@gmail.com > > > -- *Never fear an unknown future to a known God!* _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3204/6447 - Release Date: 06/28/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 10:32:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AE94040F for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:32:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE6640066 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:30:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY172-W42 ([65.54.190.60]) by bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:30:21 -0700 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: robert jaarsma <64venezia@gmail.com>, Tigers Den Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:30:21 -0400 References: <001701ce73f7$c5270c30$4f752490$@gmail.com> FILETIME=[C8ED3C20:01CE741C] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I used a chrome Chevy style bracket on the upper/outer part where you adjust the tension on the fan belt (I believe I cut down the end where it attached the water pump for clearance). Then I used a couple simple brackets mounted to the water pump & engine and a couple spacers. The previous owner of my former Tiger used an overly complex system that I simplified as my starting point. I think the alternator was just a pretty much standard Ford part. Links to a PDF and a picture can be found here... http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/AltBrackets.pdf http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/AlternatorPic.jpg Hope this helps a little bit. Paul > From: 64venezia@gmail.com > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:05:22 -0400 > Subject: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up > > My Tiger with a 289 needed a new water pump, so I got the one from Sunbeam > Specialties. No surprises there. Pulley lined up perfectly with the balancer > pulley. > > My generator was still ok, but I estimated its life would not be too much > longer. So for a while I thought about swapping it for an alternator. It > never really lined up perfectly. But during 20 years, never gave a problem > either. Possibly shortened the water pumps life? . > > Since there was recently a discussion about alternators, I decide to take > the plunge and make it easy on myself and I bought the Powermaster unit. My > alternator pulley is off by > with the water pump pulley! The way its > pulley is mounted it has a heavy rim on the outside, which throws the > v-groove off by maybe 1/8. So if I turn it around, I will still be off by > >-1/8= 5/8. All powermaster other mounting dimensions are identical, 6 > between the ears, to straddle the original mounting arm. Now I suspect the > original mounting bracket. 1). I could put spacer between it and the engine > block, the bring the alternator forwards. However the dipstick doesnt give > me much room. 2). I could bring the alternator forwards by putting the rear > ear on the front side of the bracket and add a spacer at the front ear. But > the alternator ear would not clear the rib of the cast Tiger mounting > bracket. Not an elegant solution. But then, how could the original cast > Tiger bracket be off by that much? If it was fabricated it possibly could > bend, but not a casting. Reyer and I measured everything again tonight, but > we can not see whats wrong. Any ideas? > > Just one more thing besides my electrical problem: the white wire from > ignition switch to tach to coil resistor filled itself with Lucas smoke. > Why?? All insulation half burned. No obvious short I could see. I am almost > ready to take it all apart and rewire the whole car. Any body has any > ideas?? thanks, Robert Jaarsma > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/prbreuhan@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 11:52:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D9C403FB for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B3D40358 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:49:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.175] by nm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2013 17:49:23 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.221] by tm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2013 17:49:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2013 17:49:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 52246 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2013 17:49:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372441763; bh=DMuRoKv9I7gIyMjNljjJ83Hsb9OgSf5mVPrfPvgMMX0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IXFUklgAok5dc8xzAYfG6FC2PPW7zt9p61cf/Z7SyHWmDjSJapKyQ+qciFtjyKcXBAmRtV9ROGfJRybJKoeoOSipoKWlrOH59+wcGxBFOJGwDOONQQzUyWkTK0gfVnWR7Lv+hEI57lnTz6KhI5gbls6Sy4XDtatUtA6E12qbEgo= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oM/90Uw+0/F7Twlw2NaBN0LG3SIwIADOLcJEXYKFQy0oBNBZUKr2kLLE9Y/tvsWzdubsLJBiBjrBBFQpwSFlHpZInTU1M66JdrdBQJM1wUqdq32TkI2TG+q6G+XvjDSdEb6oEq3QYWBqQOAdQo7rBN++T9nLBYVQdy995hd3pP4=; q9OPYH3gi5UM6X.MXQHZ2.yhdl6B2CIN2JM_dtgCQ8n34qpgq_JuLsieKV7B txuZtxxiuqFPCCeuW.p4FK2uZCTOQeyINl5KK3pGppaiBPoEZo9mMG_4PWaq rfj.9Zy417gfP6FHeGSpHRghapK62r2B5T_UAbWpuHpjk7jRITetO4j2dPPK E4eL5Wyt9TNDwlzgwGWZqGhgviMA.x7JSscRgtFM_xFJYgX08ivCVR9GNvJ. xTDGLcL3LpIkIOhL_ZnZ011sJVSWwJb6JeKGU.MmbaAgnFMQp47q5YRV.tHI zyCH.edfjuLGWtpFfpRCYB.wekEOn8ucUbnW2QAmwpDYanJiYjFegkd1QZzg YQlOHwD6Oqx2gaKq7L2SthQehEAnzItF3jUEdwfBm5qW4otrIDN7G7QhvVGD GaHzV7dYyNb6VdX7Eym3rj2LR5_RTOHiLw7EASy7AEEyrHC9CTWmAM7ie5OH 9RQCVqamZpCKFF_xHWLtCmWvVgpXkP7NmhJ5rMBMYJzYwC2LLaYn.0TtOynN R_zKQMfhIAZOkdaKMWDhNZZQDJZUPIw-- Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:49:22 PDT Um9iZXJ0CsKgCkkgdG9vIGJvdWdodCB0aGUgCkFsdGVybmF0b3IsIFBvd2VyR0VOLCBJbnRlcm5hbCBSZWd1bGF0b3IsIDkwIEFtcCwgMTIgVm9sdCwgQmxhY2sgUG93ZGVyY29hdGVkIG9ubHkgdG9vIGZpbmQgdGhhdCB0aGUgJyByZWFyJyBvZiB0aGUgdW5pdCB3YXMgMS80IiBXSURFUiBhbmQgd2l0aCB0aGUgc3RvY2sgTUsgMUEgYnJhY2tldCBhbmQgYWRqdXN0ZXIsIGl0IGhpdCB0aGUgZmVuZGVyIC0gSVx3ZSB0cmllZCBhbGwgc29ydHMgb2YgZGlmZmVyZW50IHNwYWNlcnMgZXRjLCBzbGlnaHRseSBzaG8BMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:49:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Robert I too bought the Alternator, PowerGEN, Internal Regulator, 90 Amp, 12 Volt, Black Powdercoated only too find that the ' rear' of the unit was 1/4" WIDER and with the stock MK 1A bracket and adjuster, it hit the fender - I\we tried all sorts of different spacers etc, slightly shorter fan belt and just could not get it to work. I had already had the original bracket Tig welded to fix 2 cracks so I did not want to go bracket hunting or making. This was too bad, the unit is a spitting image of the original generator and kept the original look but being a alternator. I even thought of grinding down the rear to get it to fit, but not much adjustment either way. Regards Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 11:53:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AAC40404 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:53:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og115.obsmtp.com (exprod5og115.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.246]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF16340358 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:52:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpmlip13.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.5.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob115.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUc3NeM/57Fo+IbYWQ5RjQk1lfb26/Wlt@postini.com; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:52:58 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO alpmlef08.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.18.17]) by alpmlip13.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 28 Jun 2013 13:52:54 -0400 Received: from cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.213.93]) by alpmlef08.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:52:53 -0400 Received: from cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.50]) by cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:52:48 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA04.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.58) by cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.136.1; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:52:41 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.43]) by CINMBCNA04.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.104]) with mapi id 14.03.0136.001; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:52:41 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: 'LIST TIGER' Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up Thread-Index: Ac50KEXp9uj+HwyaSj+fX7KdBHebpQ== Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:52:40 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.192] FILETIME=[4D870050:01CE7428] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Guys, the issue is Robert bought one of the Powermaster PowerGEN alternators that are supposed to be a drop-in replacement for the existing generator. I have installed two of these without an issue but that was at least four years ago since the last and the design may have changed. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/pwm-82101/overview/make/ford Robert, I suggest you look at modifying your pulley position on the alternator, not messing with your bracket. Powermaster has other pulleys available or ask them they may have another option. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:15 AM To: 'Chip Broadbooks'; 'robert jaarsma' Cc: 'LIST TIGER' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up Chip is correct Reisentz Restorations, Sunbeam Specialties and CAT have an Alternator bracket. The only alternative is to design your own and fabricate one. I used plywood, it took about 3 iteration to position the alternator to my satisfaction. I then fabricate the bracket out of steel and welded it together. The problem is when you are not using Stock style parts; the position of everything must be checked. Different parts can have slightly different offsets or the mounting posts are in a slightly different position. These tolerances can add up against you or they can work in your favor. The point is to check them. I like to use the laser pointer on my infrared thermometer. I line it up in the bottom of the generator or alternator pulley groove then rotate it carefully to point at the water pump groove or the crank pulley. A laser with a pulley groove profile mount would be even better. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 15:37:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB326403FE for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:37:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s4.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s4.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A534009B for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:35:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY177-DS11 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:35:02 -0700 From: David or Gary Franchi To: robert jaarsma <64venezia@gmail.com>, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 21:35:02 GMT FILETIME=[5945A6C0:01CE7447] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Robert, It is posible you don't have the special Tiger bracket, since you said it never lined up originally. I have this saved from an old post on the diffrence between a Tiger Generator bracket and a Ford bracket. I took a few photos comparing them. This Tiger bracket is only marked with a Triangle with a "C"or "O" inside and a "1" next to it. The Tiger bracket offset is about 11/16" closer to the head and it is shaped a little differently. David Franchi Misc. bracket pictures, Tiger is always on the left. http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477547.jpg -- http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477548.jpg -- http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477549.jpg -- http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477550.jpg -- http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477551.jpg -- Tiger and Ford markings. http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477552.jpg -- Tiger marking close-up. http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477553.jpg -- -----Original Message----- From: robert jaarsma Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:05 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up My Tiger with a 289 needed a new water pump, so I got the one from Sunbeam Specialties. No surprises there. Pulley lined up perfectly with the balancer pulley. My generator was still ok, but I estimated its life would not be too much longer. So for a while I thought about swapping it for an alternator. It never really lined up perfectly. But during 20 years, never gave a problem either. Possibly shortened the water pumps life? . Since there was recently a discussion about alternators, I decide to take the plunge and make it easy on myself and I bought the Powermaster unit. My alternator pulley is off by > with the water pump pulley! The way its pulley is mounted it has a heavy rim on the outside, which throws the v-groove off by maybe 1/8. So if I turn it around, I will still be off by >-1/8= 5/8. All powermaster other mounting dimensions are identical, 6 between the ears, to straddle the original mounting arm. Now I suspect the original mounting bracket. 1). I could put spacer between it and the engine block, the bring the alternator forwards. However the dipstick doesnt give me much room. 2). I could bring the alternator forwards by putting the rear ear on the front side of the bracket and add a spacer at the front ear. But the alternator ear would not clear the rib of the cast Tiger mounting bracket. Not an elegant solution. But then, how could the original cast Tiger bracket be off by that much? If it was fabricated it possibly could bend, but not a casting. Reyer and I measured everything again tonight, but we can not see whats wrong. Any ideas? Just one more thing besides my electrical problem: the white wire from ignition switch to tach to coil resistor filled itself with Lucas smoke. Why?? All insulation half burned. No obvious short I could see. I am almost ready to take it all apart and rewire the whole car. Any body has any ideas?? thanks, Robert Jaarsma _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wwwdg@webtv.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 17:59:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5BEF4040E for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:59:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A712A403A8 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:59:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tzqZ1l0020b6N64AFzzeSz; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 23:59:38 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tzze1l00L2yr1eL8PzzeLy; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 23:59:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 23:59:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: David or Gary Franchi s=q20121106; t=1372463978; bh=0VB+vT9usjVG+tSck5jG5mlf7CuybXIqVWTLgp8/ogA=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=V/Ic20VDq/Hm9JrKouMBxCfhuluGrwMuZwAiOY3DppP5iRCKYIpO506Pjw+RQPkBH g4XM2/6TkWVSwuxrtX8e8LY5eYKvKI2N/g/FI1+4tNUvbVvryY1eZP2VveoYB84hHM xDKWDQjqCWAehkbib20Mtr9m2DU0fTx5/Q9tLW28D92aWAYSOiuxFOUXnCTQUsYzC7 ZiwpAyhNN3Fpcpb1vOy78t2mnot4k+f2n/8ezK1ezfnXOzxjBd6aawGv6fcyA3+vOt GSGNwwxD9KiPkRDvpbBfZf0ssMgQFddCUt1wt4sbhENBl3xxCbnOhNSKO6VpJEQDCR aXSW7SeI+hLQQ== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net, robert jaarsma <64venezia@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A Ford bracket instead of a Tiger bracket is a pretty large mis-alignment. The Tiger generator pulley is also different from the normal Ford one. The wrong pulley causes a small mis-alignment. The Tiger pulley can be identified by placing a dime(US 10cent coin) on the section between the fan and the beginning of the V groove. A common Ford pulley has less than the dime's distance. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: David or Gary Franchi To: robert jaarsma <64venezia@gmail.com>, tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 21:35:02 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up Robert, It is posible you don't have the special Tiger bracket, since you said it never lined up originally. I have this saved from an old post on the diffrence between a Tiger Generator bracket and a Ford bracket. I took a few photos comparing them. This Tiger bracket is only marked with a Triangle with a "C"or "O" inside and a "1" next to it. The Tiger bracket offset is about 11/16" closer to the head and it is shaped a little differently. David Franchi Misc. bracket pictures, Tiger is always on the left. http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477547.jpg -- http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477548.jpg -- http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477549.jpg -- http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477550.jpg -- http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477551.jpg -- Tiger and Ford markings. http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477552.jpg -- Tiger marking close-up. http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477553.jpg -- -----Original Message----- From: robert jaarsma Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:05 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Pulley Line-up My Tiger with a 289 needed a new water pump, so I got the one from Sunbeam Specialties. No surprises there. Pulley lined up perfectly with the balancer pulley. My generator was still ok, but I estimated its life would not be too much longer. So for a while I thought about swapping it for an alternator. It never really lined up perfectly. But during 20 years, never gave a problem either. Possibly shortened the water pumps life? . Since there was recently a discussion about alternators, I decide to take the plunge and make it easy on myself and I bought the Powermaster unit. My alternator pulley is off by > with the water pump pulley! The way its pulley is mounted it has a heavy rim on the outside, which throws the v-groove off by maybe 1/8. So if I turn it around, I will still be off by >-1/8= 5/8. All powermaster other mounting dimensions are identical, 6 between the ears, to straddle the original mounting arm. Now I suspect the original mounting bracket. 1). I could put spacer between it and the engine block, the bring the alternator forwards. However the dipstick doesnt give me much room. 2). I could bring the alternator forwards by putting the rear ear on the front side of the bracket and add a spacer at the front ear. But the alternator ear would not clear the rib of the cast Tiger mounting bracket. Not an elegant solution. But then, how could the original cast Tiger bracket be off by that much? If it was fabricated it possibly could bend, but not a casting. Reyer and I measured everything again tonight, but we can not see whats wrong. Any ideas? Just one more thing besides my electrical problem: the white wire from ignition switch to tach to coil resistor filled itself with Lucas smoke. Why?? All insulation half burned. No obvious short I could see. I am almost ready to take it all apart and rewire the whole car. Any body has any ideas?? thanks, Robert Jaarsma _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wwwdg@webtv.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 29 01:09:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FAC4040B for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 01:09:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f169.google.com (mail-pd0-f169.google.com [209.85.192.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D34640395 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 01:09:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f169.google.com with SMTP id y10so1465776pdj.28 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 00:09:06 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=UckiEnaUAtqg/dme4wYEmnuhXg7S1j2Y9jscLmP2mlk=; b=NAFI/JiSHgvw6jKBh8d2Q7CTL4q9afiLQINLwpta1VyOfHKOxaTC8+hHf6jrLuYtz7 csTFCg7k4MnjTaXsFP3A4nwCEMMJdGnKjQ77YgZLhbuLLxIb8PqEBMXLFiSt6u1GCa9L dNFT2JRrNiSf8AQMmG0kb5OQxrxOw7P7HnqfB7h/x0v/5E2WYLDx6olxY11Id/JJj8m9 pL+aOeI/bbt5A9NbLPkctt7fL93clUQ7rwNMJv6dKwD5UaIcozEmQiKgBzwA7qNJhe6D cTnCLuWXJGCZio8/eMADExtyb+qKxRZRQvDBuz/KumohbGob1KXnArdZJsVOaIrTxIVX FsWA== nf4mr15006566pbc.26.1372489746055; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 00:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.25.39 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 00:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 17:09:05 +1000 From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: [Tigers] another Tiger fraud auction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net *Fraud tiger auction! This car is for sale in Melbourne Australia at the healey factory.. NOT IN THE USA!!! beware!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAM-TIGER-RHD-Convertible-1964-sunbeam-tiger-mk-i-sports-rhd-/111108853991?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item19de9a90e7&vxp=mtr * -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 29 08:59:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FD740424 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:59:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d01.mx.aol.com (omr-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.252.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069E3403E6 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:59:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by omr-d01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B543E700544DC; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfc002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.120.7]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 86703E000085; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:59:06 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:59:06 -0400 (EDT) To: michael.s.king@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372517946; bh=t8VaLHPXSsC2iTpRRWaPvXRvvGr7wNhRjBV3eZG+RBs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NGQJWfcPZDvjYM08PRKhdgOgPRzsP+w3TYVREk774yw0dglyQYHY8ARMra0AVon0E O6ZpLs/B4CH4nlhaiYnDWrQlufqvKT3M7BKBWKtYN0udOjFmmOmvz1Ac2GXK5Kplsk wq7K1Q3r/7kTvmmYMAsqeP5DL8MSVMbD9sCDwRpI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294951cef63a7a66 Subject: Re: [Tigers] another Tiger fraud auction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Reported this to E-bay. Wonder how long it will be up. In a message dated 6/29/2013 12:09:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, michael.s.king@gmail.com writes: Fraud tiger auction! This car is for sale in Melbourne Australia at the healey factory.. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 29 09:29:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38D840419 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 09:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E2A403EE for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 09:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7986D70000087 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 11:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfc002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.120.7]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 36E65E000081 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 11:28:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 11:28:58 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372519738; bh=wJUnGtgU/brd7y4v0WUlkajb7/onYOtvs8qU2hjqiMY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sULQp7G40KhQ11+3SRAZe+pIMtH9uahM+Gkz5fx16da/4+ZC/IrRv8ggb9KSAm8Jr ln7FmPYkc/svRj9oEqhC5mT7Vt+3D7NiujxGqIVilBvLbE9XRRvVIausRs5+F5YQJe 1N+OfwL2uN4Mg+yY7+yaHsQ0ojoVm+/SARoxaIzQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338951cefd3a6281 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd:FRAUD SUNBEAM TIGER RHD Co... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ____________________________________ From: member@ebay.com To: aaaglasss@aol.com Sent: 6/29/2013 8:27:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: Other: aaaglasss sent a message about Other Makes : SUNBEAM TIGER RHD Convertible #111108853991 eBay sent this message to ALAN FESTICH (aaaglasss). Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay. _Learn more_ (http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/name-userid-emails.html) . This member has a question for you. Do not respond to the sender if this message requests that you complete the transaction outside of eBay. 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Miller" References: <85683.70852dde.3f005739@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd:FRAUD SUNBEAM TIGER RHD Co... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It doesn't help that the "Factory" mis-identifies the car as B947545 when it's actually B947595 LRXFE. Norm At 08:28 AM 6/29/2013, AAAGLASSS@aol.com wrote: >____________________________________ > From: member@ebay.com >Reply-to: aaaglasss@aol.com >To: aaaglasss@aol.com >Sent: 6/29/2013 8:27:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time >Subj: Other: aaaglasss sent a message about Other Makes : SUNBEAM TIGER >RHD Convertible #111108853991 > > > > > > > eBay sent this message to ALAN FESTICH (aaaglasss). >Your registered name is included to show this message originated from >eBay. _Learn more_ >(http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/name-userid-emails.html) . > > > This member has a question for you. Do not respond to the >sender if this message requests that you complete the transaction outside of >eBay. 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Designated trademarks and >brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the eBay logo >are trademarks of eBay Inc. eBay Inc. is located at 2145 Hamilton Avenue, >San Jose, CA 95125. >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rootes1@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 29 10:16:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDACB40419 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f43.google.com (mail-qa0-f43.google.com [209.85.216.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DFC403EE for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:16:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id d13so1237676qak.16 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 09:16:15 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=Bi0jDIJIQ5PjFPRV1wqsJz8bB/xGKQYj5++Axdh2lBE=; b=09nAy7OPZElfJ65ycatCHlrapRVEhDKZMqs4UdxCITqRr5oh97ou1/UJlYVhvSl5W9 pX3NTcVfsPTgcewYueuC3fCgGSASRnVA1Ye0lCqSsyPwm8NSA6veeu3aFGCK7JACnp0z zceqXrk/WzLpa0scb6W4/XIeLV5Q06ekl+M6dDcyWg8uOFdurNbLqEHuR7kRYgegWhth ZNUwC/l1nhPzfQkK/rFkl1ci+DvAkR4hUzauzEcioT9hGuwjqXsnTVLHBOqj9wZ9UEKu 4NIZXHzjChyQzJJhrv1m0LBfBLhex5fnMhVIctRufwC2hjduIQrbxOSwHsm537dFtHiD pC5A== f9mr23870394qas.4.1372522575688; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 09:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OwnerPC (pool-71-241-139-131.burl.east.myfairpoint.net. [71.241.139.131]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 15sm18499025qaa.9.2013.06.29.09.16.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 29 Jun 2013 09:16:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "robert jaarsma" <64venezia@gmail.com> To: Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 12:16:12 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac504/aWLQodXxVJTH2dxF7553N5kQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Pulley Line-Up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks everyone for all this quick advise. Not sure yet what I'll do. The first thing to do is swap the old pulley and fan onto the Powermaster. I doubt if I gain enough movement, but it is the easiest to try. I'll keep you posted. Great to have so many Tiger aficionados ! Robert _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 06:08:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4772E40524 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 06:08:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A4E4044D for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 06:08:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 44DB7700752B3 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 08:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqb003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.212.201]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 14128E000083 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 08:08:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 08:08:42 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372594122; bh=adb/uiUES/Ardzaw/0QHBS1ljQOIn7cQCaTpKmwTGbM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=euQSuVGneinAdrmnJ15+86hcObZJzEc1QVnaP5t8L2AlYb5j0u2ijtfFZmp+C9BGz g2xNRaKwjG4PUpfKSD9RufeNA/7ksGWeTGzWngjR5YYqTEHX4dVuOUjikdt0vhFAlj 1d2Wa2ZYLR2c4o4AkPSBnBGHz4/T1jVWKbhy7ofQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c51d01fca130f Subject: [Tigers] Castrol LMA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, I need some advice. I've been using Castrol LMA for years after trying DOT 5 for a couple of seasons. I wanted to buy some LMA but I tried the local Auto Zone and the NAPA and no luck. Buying it on-line is OK but you get stuck with heavy shipping fees. The Auto Zone had some STP 3-4 and straight 4 synthetic. Would this be an OK mix or replacement for LMA? Or does anybody know of a national chain that carries LMA so I can stick to that? BTW, Auto Zone can't even special order it for me! Any ideas? Jim Armstrong _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 06:23:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDDB640541 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 06:23:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E48E4044D for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 06:16:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EB8DB700000BA for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 08:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfe005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.120.156]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A45BBE000082; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 08:16:47 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 08:16:47 -0400 (EDT) To: Rollright@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372594607; bh=oAJTrQhrsXmMjx38pueTUBRXb1Qjv+ZejQSL6KOpzJM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nblofcFBNh86ZCz67rm17lnnNVNYdZsZkRGwW/bzbKowpV1eiJ5fCPgXDZW68yJT/ oWVh4PqtbsW9gE2lNiPsDbDxpwnZEuH9JNVTR+DBBxAuScpME1Kq7X1TA9p+yzx8ZR YE9zy+N/sxQSmuoLMSTPtBNilgRStCDzyBu1Crqs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a51d021af74f9 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol LMA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.google.com/#gs_rn=17&gs_ri=psy-ab&cp=11&gs_id=16&xhr=t&q=castrol+ lma&es_nrs=true&pf=p&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&rlz=1C2AFAB_enUS486US522&o q=castrol+lma&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48572450,d.cGE&fp=91775a5 ffeeeacff&biw=1034&bih=568 In a message dated 6/30/2013 5:09:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Rollright@aol.com writes: Hello, I need some advice. I've been using Castrol LMA for years after trying DOT 5 for a couple of seasons. I wanted to buy some LMA but I tried the local Auto Zone and the NAPA and no luck. Buying it on-line is OK but you get stuck with heavy shipping fees. The Auto Zone had some STP 3-4 and straight 4 synthetic. Would this be an OK mix or replacement for LMA? Or does anybody know of a national chain that carries LMA so I can stick to that? BTW, Auto Zone can't even special order it for me! Any ideas? Jim Armstrong _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 09:40:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A26440530 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 09:40:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698164043F for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 09:33:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D0731700043A5; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 11:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlb004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.146]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9864EE000085; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 11:33:28 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 11:33:28 -0400 (EDT) To: garywinblad@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372606408; bh=fuECks+yXYc7XU2usPU+aWQOKbmoyrkO9aUkNnms0UM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Cr7bdPx/p/agTx7Sz5JzNDblTwI89gn/JNDf6jdvD9wt9wW7Pjzdg3UnYRDTmNT9V fj2cMWv6lf2Vb+5FIZMejcjKqXCYe5mkaTKTsAj+TpMFMGryfgjTpaZsbx1eXLDdkC Rs3G0LWKDdoKDTa80IcSQhNzTT+H4zobLnygHbd4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294951d04fc80e9d Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just got around to this email...guess I've been a little preoccupied! On the subject of tires...and keeping in mind I live in CA and also am more interested in performance than durability... Regarding 15" wheels, Tom Kukla is successfully running 15X7" all around with no clearance issues. The fronts are 20mm offset. I don't believe he has done any body work and he didn't have any clearance issues. Can't say this would be true of all cars...nothing really is, when it comes to Tigers, it seems. The other option with 15's that makes sense is to run 15X6" all around with one of the new gen street tires, like the Dunlop Star Spec II, BFG Rival, etc. Given the need for a well supported sidewall with these tires, seems a 195/50 would be as big as you'd want to go. As far as 13" choices go, the Toyo RA1 sized 205/60 is the only thing I'd consider. Probably too aggressive for many, but it works well in the wet (if you ever get caught out) and very well in the dry. Best of all worlds, for me (and pending fitment), would be a set of 15X7's mounted up with 205/50 BFG Rivals and my spare set of 13X6's mounted with 225/50 Hoosier A6 for autocross (the Hoosier works fine pinched on a smaller rim width) :-) In a message dated 6/21/2013 3:00:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, garywinblad@comcast.net writes: So now that we know all about brake theory and upgrades... What about the current state of TIRES? I was shocked to find that 13 inch tires are all but done for. All you can now get are cheap "economy car" tires or one single type of street legal race tire that costs $600 per set. Nothing in between. And I was finally going to actually drive my Tiger some again... and my 1993 tires are really bad... sooo... Mike Wood, did you solve the 15 inch wheel search? Any ideas? Gary _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 12:19:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E6540525 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 12:19:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70FA403C5 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 12:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ownerHP ([unknown] [98.117.211.51]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MP700KCXXJU3W90@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 13:19:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:19:06 -0400 Thread-index: Ac51vGJYhfCzwqcpS/CQsRd5q/MYJw== Content-language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] tires and wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I run the Toyo RA 1, 205/60x13 and they work great and they look correct on the car..beware buying new 15 inch wheels because you will find that they are also going away in some sizes.just tried to get some 225/50x15 and I had only three choices, that was a popular size not that long ago...also I find it hard to believe you can't Castrol LMA fluid, where do you Live??? If you are in the DC area I stock it at my shop..Just note: if you want to match ford blue, try ATE Super Blu fluid and BMW antifreeze, then you have fluids that match the engine, HA HA just thought..I could ship it for cost if that's a help.I also stock ZZDP oil additive for flat tappet cams, Clyde _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 14:45:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9E04051C for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:45:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53AEE403DB for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:39:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004959.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5UKd9rP005483 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 13:40:02 -0700 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b055) id dm0224.5192ebb6.5d35ff for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 13:38:50 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 16:38:40 -0400 Thread-index: Ac51vGJYhfCzwqcpS/CQsRd5q/MYJwAFSAQg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-30_07:2013-06-28,2013-06-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306300241 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tiger Trivia and facts plus I'm just curious I noticed something interesting recently. The stock Tiger distributor vacuum hard line only has a Rootes part number; 1224812. There is no Ford part number listed. This leads me to believe that Rootes either made a new line or they modified the Ford part. My theory is Rootes modified the Ford part. The questions are did they and by how much? It's not impossible that Ford modified this part for Rootes but I would expect a Ford part number attached to the part in that case. Anyone have a known stock original Tiger engine distributor vacuum line? Anyone have a stock Ford distributor vacuum line; I believe the C5ZZ part is the one available now? Anyone who went to England and the Archive - did you see this part drawing? I did some very rough estimates of the difference between stock Ford and Tiger pictures and found a Max difference of 1/2" shorter for the Tiger at the distributor end. I'm not sure the best way to measure this. Maybe mark the middle of the bend and use a wire form from the nut to the mark. (?) Unfortunately I can not find where I squirreled away the hard line I did have on my Tiger so I can't measure it. I'll have to look deeper. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 16:26:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE50F4052D for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 16:26:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD66403E8 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 16:24:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A19A1419 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 16:24:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 16:24:41 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Tigers List Subject: [Tigers] Team.Net update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Finally! Many years after the switch from majordomo to mailman, the web page http://www.team.net/tn-mail.html finally has current, useable information. Imagine that! It is just a start, though, there is SO much more to update on the site. But with record breaking heat here in Salt Lake City I'd rather be in my cool basement dungeon than out in the very warm garage, perhaps updating Team.Net will be happening at more than a glacial pace. mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 17:03:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD79942704 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 17:03:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750F340530 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 16:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id umxq1l0051ZMdJ4ABmyRu4; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 22:58:25 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id umyQ1l00f2yr1eL8cmyQLP; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 22:58:24 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 22:58:24 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com s=q20121106; t=1372633105; bh=5pTBNls85yRdCMPH/TA9bInbTdQdRxPU7+qnL5zPpvM=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=L6EdDc50f5+1UoI0YhxoJoO0q8fxhgoWUT41/B9SGpNBKSop1xSgIC/VV30ZCx0Rt hT8BYhQIO8zLvElYkuGveoWQuxd43hx1mOgfsypttgCgS1+T3abcuX6fo0L3zfcirt 9j+AORyNGTkB/tMH8Ajn25Vn6MpYfqLWp5Nww+ZvIpkUuJPUfbRug8GRjVJNXEVFlE P592hL6ze4Z3r1jxFYkyIew8sxDiEWcHgmA5JxNt6jVZUnWQvFwDPePQXk0P07qRW0 aTbSifeWLdyux6jDpnoxhIjuL9yXveD47VEA9r8aQk7ALr6IskxvtZc8ceW1RbqNbk kkrNVztrlYZGg== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Ron, I measured it at exactly 25 inches. I used a piece of solid core electrical wire, molded to the vacuum line and periodically taped to it to hold in place, then detached it, straightened it, and measured. Hope that helps. (Pic upon request!) Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:38:40 PM Subject: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Tiger Trivia and facts plus I'm just curious I noticed something interesting recently. The stock Tiger distributor vacuum hard line only has a Rootes part number; 1224812. There is no Ford part number listed. This leads me to believe that Rootes either made a new line or they modified the Ford part. My theory is Rootes modified the Ford part. The questions are did they and by how much? It's not impossible that Ford modified this part for Rootes but I would expect a Ford part number attached to the part in that case. Anyone have a known stock original Tiger engine distributor vacuum line? Anyone have a stock Ford distributor vacuum line; I believe the C5ZZ part is the one available now? Anyone who went to England and the Archive - did you see this part drawing? I did some very rough estimates of the difference between stock Ford and Tiger pictures and found a Max difference of 1/2" shorter for the Tiger at the distributor end. I'm not sure the best way to measure this. Maybe mark the middle of the bend and use a wire form from the nut to the mark. (?) Unfortunately I can not find where I squirreled away the hard line I did have on my Tiger so I can't measure it. I'll have to look deeper. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 17:19:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E428E4040C for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 17:19:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F77D4052E for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 17:18:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r5UNELem005839; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 16:18:50 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id sj1-dm103.5192ebfe.5d0751; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 16:18:36 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.149.51]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 23:18:28 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 19:18:25 -0400 Thread-index: Ac515VOMn29cYGfTS0ujFyCu0ZCkIgAAgNkw engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-30_08:2013-06-28,2013-06-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306300287 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Gene Any information helps. You measured the full length of the vacuum line, correct and this was an original Tiger part. (?) My theory is that Rooted took up to 1/2" off the tube length at the distributor. This would pull the line back from the radiator hose. Thanks Ron -----Original Message----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net [mailto:genepadgett@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 6:58 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Hi Ron, I measured it at exactly 25 inches. I used a piece of solid core electrical wire, molded to the vacuum line and periodically taped to it to hold in place, then detached it, straightened it, and measured. Hope that helps. (Pic upon request!) Gene _____ From: "Ron Fraser" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:38:40 PM Subject: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Tiger Trivia and facts plus I'm just curious I noticed something interesting recently. The stock Tiger distributor vacuum hard line only has a Rootes part number; 1224812. There is no Ford part number listed. This leads me to believe that Rootes either made a new line or they modified the Ford part. My theory is Rootes modified the Ford part. The questions are did they and by how much? It's not impossible that Ford modified this part for Rootes but I would expect a Ford part number attached to the part in that case. Anyone have a known stock original Tiger engine distributor vacuum line? Anyone have a stock Ford distributor vacuum line; I believe the C5ZZ part is the one available now? Anyone who went to England and the Archive - did you see this part drawing? I did some very rough estimates of the difference between stock Ford and Tiger pictures and found a Max difference of 1/2" shorter for the Tiger at the distributor end. I'm not sure the best way to measure this. Maybe mark the middle of the bend and use a wire form from the nut to the mark. (?) Unfortunately I can not find where I squirreled away the hard line I did have on my Tiger so I can't measure it. I'll have to look deeper. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3204/6447 - Release Date: 06/28/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 17:49:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99504052F for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 17:49:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244A7403B9 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 17:43:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id unEs1l00117UAYkAAnjY5a; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 23:43:32 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id unjX1l00h2xZMJ48ZnjX3i; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 23:43:31 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 23:43:31 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com s=q20121106; t=1372635812; bh=DNwNu3LYs590hC57aHsY2pgQ/0Htmv5uTVpmpHCYK/o=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=HA34S/3WZLi+E+RrTcZrGwZgrO6uHiQ9cKZoQ/dolwNykXTSdeKoxuQO/uY3xkzor yiybHjh3EBkWXEN9BZoR/P0B+XfXI0utlwCtEwos3GHmb9F1hLEepplJCQzNN0V81d JDK/CTSSGqh6uQgimpAlqfbr3yN7kIpypHEh/aH6hhdGi+6UCDZP/QxT+UVzc2FsAp LE9fIMK1s4G9riVHOUWll/UNSOJx3SsLwcXQpD6G3+ycj14q7fcZiZsZGcGSjMEAG6 9jcVcjLh9HcQi9bXqKKxjF0pYZzkJefRNWDQgkPCQhpeoGK1e1Bg1lje24Tn9QWqHW lgYKbOQduFEyA== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Ron, Yes, full length measured absolute tip to tip. Original line, off the car and retrieved from storage shelf for measurement. BTW, any idea where one can get a fitting for the end that goes into the canister on the original distributor? Pretty unique sealing tip on it. I did not not want to cut it off the original line. I had my distributor rebuilt and figured out a way to use a part of a compression coupler and a hand bent short piece of same sized line to make a 90 degree elbow to hook up a vacuum flexible line to my new carb. So I am good to go with what I have, but have always been curious about that orginal line- to- distributor hard line fitting. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: genepadgett@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 6:18:25 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Message Gene Any information helps. You measured the full length of the vacuum line, correct and this was an original Tiger part. (?) My theory is that Rooted took up to 1/2" off the tube length at the distributor. This would pull the line back from the radiator hose. Thanks Ron -----Original Message----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net [mailto:genepadgett@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 6:58 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Hi Ron, I measured it at exactly 25 inches. I used a piece of solid core electrical wire, molded to the vacuum line and periodically taped to it to hold in place, then detached it, straightened it, and measured. Hope that helps. (Pic upon request!) Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:38:40 PM Subject: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Tiger Trivia and facts plus I'm just curious I noticed something interesting recently. The stock Tiger distributor vacuum hard line only has a Rootes part number; 1224812. There is no Ford part number listed. This leads me to believe that Rootes either made a new line or they modified the Ford part. My theory is Rootes modified the Ford part. The questions are did they and by how much? It's not impossible that Ford modified this part for Rootes but I would expect a Ford part number attached to the part in that case. Anyone have a known stock original Tiger engine distributor vacuum line? Anyone have a stock Ford distributor vacuum line; I believe the C5ZZ part is the one available now? Anyone who went to England and the Archive - did you see this part drawing? I did some very rough estimates of the difference between stock Ford and Tiger pictures and found a Max difference of 1/2" shorter for the Tiger at the distributor end. I'm not sure the best way to measure this. Maybe mark the middle of the bend and use a wire form from the nut to the mark. (?) Unfortunately I can not find where I squirreled away the hard line I did have on my Tiger so I can't measure it. I'll have to look deeper. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3204/6447 - Release Date: 06/28/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 18:35:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F64040517 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 18:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E03403B9 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 18:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 37C9E70000086; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 20:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mle002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.199]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 02B36E000086; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 20:32:08 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 20:32:07 -0400 (EDT) To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, genepadgett@comcast.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372638728; bh=lQHu9wtZRcSkgBmgZRCfK5tACME8qhcJ8Kwgb2unRag=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LjJIafjBBmdUegiyBa21Eom8u1BqC1/++aVYJ1/F0+o/lfpx0VfFmXy7XE3scaEJH k/nSbNLlPl5URtXGEGZdUSgRiVpHE0p4HLwG8ONNGIwVgnS8p9NVmUgzUUwSJlnsmL N6SAFSqym/itUH8NCXHIF//dJzB/e4INmsRMtI4I= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d51d0ce08635a Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If a guy was to go into his wife's sewing box he would find a cloth measuring tape that makes measuring odd shapes a snap:-) Mark L In a message dated 6/30/2013 7:19:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rfraser@bluefrog.com writes: Gene Any information helps. You measured the full length of the vacuum line, correct and this was an original Tiger part. (?) My theory is that Rooted took up to 1/2" off the tube length at the distributor. This would pull the line back from the radiator hose. Thanks Ron -----Original Message----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net [mailto:genepadgett@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 6:58 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Hi Ron, I measured it at exactly 25 inches. I used a piece of solid core electrical wire, molded to the vacuum line and periodically taped to it to hold in place, then detached it, straightened it, and measured. Hope that helps. (Pic upon request!) Gene _____ From: "Ron Fraser" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:38:40 PM Subject: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Tiger Trivia and facts plus I'm just curious I noticed something interesting recently. The stock Tiger distributor vacuum hard line only has a Rootes part number; 1224812. There is no Ford part number listed. This leads me to believe that Rootes either made a new line or they modified the Ford part. My theory is Rootes modified the Ford part. The questions are did they and by how much? It's not impossible that Ford modified this part for Rootes but I would expect a Ford part number attached to the part in that case. Anyone have a known stock original Tiger engine distributor vacuum line? Anyone have a stock Ford distributor vacuum line; I believe the C5ZZ part is the one available now? Anyone who went to England and the Archive - did you see this part drawing? I did some very rough estimates of the difference between stock Ford and Tiger pictures and found a Max difference of 1/2" shorter for the Tiger at the distributor end. I'm not sure the best way to measure this. Maybe mark the middle of the bend and use a wire form from the nut to the mark. (?) Unfortunately I can not find where I squirreled away the hard line I did have on my Tiger so I can't measure it. I'll have to look deeper. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3204/6447 - Release Date: 06/28/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 18:50:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B1940534 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 18:50:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB264403B9 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 18:44:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uoQk1l0021wfjNsA7okssV; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 00:44:52 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uokr1l00a2xZMJ48jokr4v; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 00:44:51 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 00:44:51 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: CoolVT@aol.com s=q20121106; t=1372639492; bh=ClPm8LJcrkjsoiGLstxnKKTyT15bxFmHhpLLvIdkVhc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=iSlPUSgSJqrvAymDaDSq8T7xgGgnh/8EmFwLrjDBGSZEBBVccujx50O12wI7O4Qb+ 68/tzfsgDykrBi7NY9zPS9SkV8KMJeagZwUYViLjTVQvlKyCuUr2DY++eYyt5IwuwL j+priDyxnctvBJ83xheADDcA6HwfHQmMoUUqVSG78yqv+fOpH6JgSAVW5JiH71dGK2 HWiN0CaPAv5VsnpL//usMBCPh8ecissbpjRpbdssvoy9xG6lJUjUX3ptQfuDVNqiUH JwnoMubukkDeD2McHrL31yRSE3DFmUkStiz99L/xnkSWet4nfvXvLgqoxn7muTYcgj bqOCTVCfgGCaA== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I tried to do it first using 1/2 inch wide masking tape to follow the twists and turns, much like a cloth measuring tape with the further advantage of adhesive to hold it in place. With all the twists, turns and bends in this line, I assure you the ability to form the wire to the line, periodically taping it in place worked much better, with no slippage from the starting end. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: CoolVT@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, genepadgett@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 7:32:07 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line If a guy was to go into his wife's sewing box he would find a cloth measuring tape that makes measuring odd shapes a snap:-) Mark L In a message dated 6/30/2013 7:19:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rfraser@bluefrog.com writes: Gene Any information helps. You measured the full length of the vacuum line, correct and this was an original Tiger part. (?) My theory is that Rooted took up to 1/2" off the tube length at the distributor. This would pull the line back from the radiator hose. Thanks Ron -----Original Message----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net [mailto:genepadgett@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 6:58 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Hi Ron, I measured it at exactly 25 inches. I used a piece of solid core electrical wire, molded to the vacuum line and periodically taped to it to hold in place, then detached it, straightened it, and measured. Hope that helps. (Pic upon request!) Gene _____ From: "Ron Fraser" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:38:40 PM Subject: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Tiger Trivia and facts plus I'm just curious I noticed something interesting recently. The stock Tiger distributor vacuum hard line only has a Rootes part number; 1224812. There is no Ford part number listed. This leads me to believe that Rootes either made a new line or they modified the Ford part. My theory is Rootes modified the Ford part. The questions are did they and by how much? It's not impossible that Ford modified this part for Rootes but I would expect a Ford part number attached to the part in that case. Anyone have a known stock original Tiger engine distributor vacuum line? Anyone have a stock Ford distributor vacuum line; I believe the C5ZZ part is the one available now? Anyone who went to England and the Archive - did you see this part drawing? I did some very rough estimates of the difference between stock Ford and Tiger pictures and found a Max difference of 1/2" shorter for the Tiger at the distributor end. I'm not sure the best way to measure this. Maybe mark the middle of the bend and use a wire form from the nut to the mark. (?) Unfortunately I can not find where I squirreled away the hard line I did have on my Tiger so I can't measure it. I'll have to look deeper. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3204/6447 - Release Date: 06/28/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 19:38:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9004042C for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 19:38:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AEA40079 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 19:38:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r611bUSs024622; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 18:38:06 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b17b) id sj1-dm103.5192ebfe.5d3844; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 18:37:44 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:37:24 -0400 Thread-index: Ac5166ELgmX7mbpbSTCNiL6e4riM9QADhFTQ engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-01_01:2013-06-28,2013-07-01,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306300331 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thank Gene I was looking at the end fittings. I could not find the Ford part number but I did find a description. Maybe someone on the List knows the Ford part number for this fitting. The fitting are a Brass Fitting - Threaded Sleeve - Nut. I have an OLD Weatherhead catalog - 3/16 tube - threaded sleeve nut - 6100X3. A quick Google search will give you several sources - I saw one that showed $.90 per part and I'm sure there are better prices. I have a Parts + shop in my area that I think has those but not sure. They had the 5/16 fuel line to carb fitting so I think they might carry the nut too. Hopefully someone local has them so you don't have to pay huge shipping costs. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net [mailto:genepadgett@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 7:44 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Hi Ron, Yes, full length measured absolute tip to tip. Original line, off the car and retrieved from storage shelf for measurement. BTW, any idea where one can get a fitting for the end that goes into the canister on the original distributor? Pretty unique sealing tip on it. I did not not want to cut it off the original line. I had my distributor rebuilt and figured out a way to use a part of a compression coupler and a hand bent short piece of same sized line to make a 90 degree elbow to hook up a vacuum flexible line to my new carb. So I am good to go with what I have, but have always been curious about that orginal line- to- distributor hard line fitting. Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 20:13:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92054052A for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 20:13:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F689403D8 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 20:12:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id upAp1l0031afHeLA9qCwGW; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 02:12:56 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uqCv1l00W2xZMJ48dqCvqi; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 02:12:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 02:12:55 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com s=q20121106; t=1372644776; bh=EGiy1kXjs3DgrNxhKra5HSocLvajQ+R4wQUvFJSPeEk=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Mp+cuwsuVrUyx5greryyhaYj85Zu/+2vKMVfCY/jcGn7ifZ/k+UJc7aCyeowdPW4X oMkMnXno/LAUjM5aOLTlIaRENQcMWqNvIS8j1Lr0aoZdF13tad4NqQTHp9xAOJRBZh UtepxO3QDvzdUkGD+k0PHsJ9Rt8pcdKM4BcG5kY7kBaaoLCFLLF1DF6wXZV2e2WE/7 lCtzLZuWYxf3YkgAHXoM+5mvhKaGtsS8k680tw4lTN3FVj/CVbbJj2Zb18b2c6J5Ww 9g7FLyHWEjKUO7wQke5RwxlNTY51ulK5nefAKd1ITNLtXlz7SZQ5EDVgDA55FyzPp+ R+AWtZQqXXF5Q== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Ron, Thanks very much. I greatly appreciate the info. I had given up on find these! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: genepadgett@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:37:24 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Message Thank Gene I was looking at the end fittings. I could not find the Ford part number but I did find a description. Maybe someone on the List knows the Ford part number for this fitting. The fitting are a Brass Fitting - Threaded Sleeve - Nut. I have an OLD Weatherhead catalog - 3/16 tube - threaded sleeve nut - 6100X3. A quick Google search will give you several sources - I saw one that showed $.90 per part and I'm sure there are better prices. I have a Parts + shop in my area that I think has those but not sure. They had the 5/16 fuel line to carb fitting so I think they might carry the nut too. Hopefully someone local has them so you don't have to pay huge shipping costs. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net [mailto:genepadgett@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 7:44 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Hi Ron, Yes, full length measured absolute tip to tip. Original line, off the car and retrieved from storage shelf for measurement. BTW, any idea where one can get a fitting for the end that goes into the canister on the original distributor? Pretty unique sealing tip on it. I did not not want to cut it off the original line. I had my distributor rebuilt and figured out a way to use a part of a compression coupler and a hand bent short piece of same sized line to make a 90 degree elbow to hook up a vacuum flexible line to my new carb. So I am good to go with what I have, but have always been curious about that orginal line- to- distributor hard line fitting. Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 20:36:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886EB4051F for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 20:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f172.google.com (mail-qc0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6EF440078 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 20:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id j10so2581025qcx.17 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 19:35:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=67oeqmUU9BdsJA/6WzDhOCBQSngyOzxTe5GDiad5Roo=; b=PVUqDOOqLUciBP8FcXdWfjAZ7pLaaCPR4FGKJDp+sW8XV+iKNsJVAHaGHGtIGvHNGc Sp5mFOucRoLpi70EPwKyfTqWU4ofSAfvIGZ6f3Co8kHH3Hi92FujR+YCwaiUoMIGR9Ln RqTe4Rf5kA+od1A9F2aw+qh1SAQBBxoDYbVIBZz7bl8kvN1gjiqB/cYjvO0bu+fv8dF8 Tw//g3/UJZn8hzxpUBjylEA/u0P3weI/1+LEsCvFHE30jK/gHBSVpc4Jj+9q6Oa4SO7N wggqsWmq7s6ngvE42+0qJDEIL/M8A6elwZ+b+jVOLWGjt0sAM8V3WrnNm0xJhAgtU1X9 dMRg== q8mr29305059qez.32.1372646140647; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 19:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.83.37 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 19:35:40 -0700 (PDT) References: <51D0B029.2000403@bradakis.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 22:35:40 -0400 From: Jeffery Randall To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: Tigers List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Team.Net update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thank You Mark, Jeff On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Finally! Many years after the switch from majordomo to mailman, the web > page > > http://www.team.net/tn-mail.**html > > finally has current, useable information. Imagine that! > > It is just a start, though, there is SO much more to update on the site. > But with record > breaking heat here in Salt Lake City I'd rather be in my cool basement > dungeon than out > in the very warm garage, perhaps updating Team.Net will be happening at > more than a > glacial pace. > > mjb. > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/tigers/jefferyrandall@**gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 21:13:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8D440517 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:13:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45151403D8 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:13:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ur321l0040vp7WLA1rD34F; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 03:13:03 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id urD31l00C2yr1eL8RrD35A; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 03:13:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 03:13:03 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: genepadgett@comcast.net s=q20121106; t=1372648383; bh=GOCE6yPciZI4d4fsyvocvONE+gUIvEHdFiumdjnq4Q8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=kB5uLqZenLTOJuYwJS3qErhaWQzaE62BBTJzHc6Z8Bbytw4KH8nMemQopokgCBPcw 7UWU1RZduhBgFZGdeVdcTbesiM2fSlcMa5XHGRGrBfyI/8S8X3lxckWrr6LcuIbbux f/ha4XwyxUyRLrjQiiN19fbP1YwFFJIM1P1i5pxqfhlkxM99xOJVebHr4B8O1e5W4n gCXwx6bEM0X7wycPTuy+CbYTAOgPDTb2SJSdEs5Z3xEAaKuF+8KQpsXN0LgGZAJDIH wURwmG06RxMk9kkuDYZmil9Lg7Lc2KcQQQOePPIC8nSUV2Z89G1LJCyotx1YC7DHYR NN3BuBeEHkVbw== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Gene. On the original distributor, the entire fitting you need just unscrews. At least in about 1992 when I did my rebuild, I was able to get a new diaphram that allowed it to screw in. When you unscrew it, inside is a 'slug' that allows you to limit the vacuum advance.. was definitely needed too. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 02:12:55 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Hi Ron, Thanks very much. I greatly appreciate the info. I had given up on find these! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: genepadgett@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:37:24 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Message Thank Gene I was looking at the end fittings. I could not find the Ford part number but I did find a description. Maybe someone on the List knows the Ford part number for this fitting. The fitting are a Brass Fitting - Threaded Sleeve - Nut. I have an OLD Weatherhead catalog - 3/16 tube - threaded sleeve nut - 6100X3. A quick Google search will give you several sources - I saw one that showed $.90 per part and I'm sure there are better prices. I have a Parts + shop in my area that I think has those but not sure. They had the 5/16 fuel line to carb fitting so I think they might carry the nut too. Hopefully someone local has them so you don't have to pay huge shipping costs. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net [mailto:genepadgett@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 7:44 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Hi Ron, Yes, full length measured absolute tip to tip. Original line, off the car and retrieved from storage shelf for measurement. BTW, any idea where one can get a fitting for the end that goes into the canister on the original distributor? Pretty unique sealing tip on it. I did not not want to cut it off the original line. I had my distributor rebuilt and figured out a way to use a part of a compression coupler and a hand bent short piece of same sized line to make a 90 degree elbow to hook up a vacuum flexible line to my new carb. So I am good to go with what I have, but have always been curious about that orginal line- to- distributor hard line fitting. Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 21:15:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F9740531 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:15:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB524006F for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:15:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ur9z1l00417UAYkA9rFdHm; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 03:15:37 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id urFd1l0042xZMJ48ZrFdSZ; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 03:15:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 03:15:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Gary Winblad s=q20121106; t=1372648537; bh=3fd0lpnr4J9pVlAllIWrBMLEU50mLIXPDYkfwBO1e2Q=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=icuNhJOMangqDHcr/vFFRn0k497i7FTdaOP/y5A3pmNgBSd4omPOL1oMXzQvlRXBO CW1nyqmTZvil3nt56w3/jk0+pOm6vL3ecRH+1dmqKAUXcu89Dun3qj0pUoejYZFuAE WHI1JiSXQhTxMY3GtdNwCMgGWL9JX/EL7FL56QhLfvmvVYBk12mWnWl3OsEmLc1ufT hxrrHB/1+JoefwuYtkI7GNfQxpwyXIuWCk/JUNgj3k4lmmAcisFYW5hAWWOvqrjv0V /OdMiGWWN7zP5ge4fdTj7hLQInpJvBu2eRmv8qPan4SFTuXXfQUzDGBl2Hq0LW/iUn sr/9Vrg8nGdYg== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Oops.. disregard that last post.. you want to adapt to rubber line.... sorry. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Winblad To: genepadgett@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 03:13:03 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Gene. On the original distributor, the entire fitting you need just unscrews. At least in about 1992 when I did my rebuild, I was able to get a new diaphram that allowed it to screw in. When you unscrew it, inside is a 'slug' that allows you to limit the vacuum advance.. was definitely needed too. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 02:12:55 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Hi Ron, Thanks very much. I greatly appreciate the info. I had given up on find these! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: genepadgett@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:37:24 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Message Thank Gene I was looking at the end fittings. I could not find the Ford part number but I did find a description. Maybe someone on the List knows the Ford part number for this fitting. The fitting are a Brass Fitting - Threaded Sleeve - Nut. I have an OLD Weatherhead catalog - 3/16 tube - threaded sleeve nut - 6100X3. A quick Google search will give you several sources - I saw one that showed $.90 per part and I'm sure there are better prices. I have a Parts + shop in my area that I think has those but not sure. They had the 5/16 fuel line to carb fitting so I think they might carry the nut too. Hopefully someone local has them so you don't have to pay huge shipping costs. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net [mailto:genepadgett@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 7:44 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Hi Ron, Yes, full length measured absolute tip to tip. Original line, off the car and retrieved from storage shelf for measurement. BTW, any idea where one can get a fitting for the end that goes into the canister on the original distributor? Pretty unique sealing tip on it. I did not not want to cut it off the original line. I had my distributor rebuilt and figured out a way to use a part of a compression coupler and a hand bent short piece of same sized line to make a 90 degree elbow to hook up a vacuum flexible line to my new carb. So I am good to go with what I have, but have always been curious about that orginal line- to- distributor hard line fitting. Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net