From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 11:17:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74EC8427D4 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 11:17:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm34-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm34-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A4042758 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 11:14:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.173] by nm34.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 17:14:31 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.238] by tm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 17:14:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1047.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 17:14:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 86769 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jul 2013 17:14:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372698871; bh=pfRscVIPyrqWasttEJfvUnHEoxc+8AtITWXWTFBTdHw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fmb6GNyP6l5BQ2dDZSZ0RKfFzEa7mFQe7kXxThsBmFlpUHIMilYQr+PtvH8JUTny0Z4rRuVaAt+HLJoVQb2rxIZbz+5ig3rF+wlaH5uMxBrDuVZZn3H8akgv1zADEjiwwML7dJrUye/4Sq75VAKjs/CY5e89acR3dR76jdGVbSQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=np3+9Z3kcZILOGBM5+BDIAl5WEx32qGw0gSEVlwVts5NIr+vJjqXMhAvMEqPky3AcDtOk1ABI+AQ86hiO7es+Xzb57zm8icwyKAStedzIVNaY4Xml3gzFgeth/jK0SmRlGpIUpPGXQeMzXxORkutO/jAosq9X606Dk3iB2H+w7Y= ; qe16kEAuG3Z5B7dfADb.iOpwFO_yacxco2vbXBi3.wD5TBLD5CpZBIXIZJsx zCPJbAJ.jxACFpLNQlrmU9tKd3q0Ft9cyq8cd3Pa6UJXi35lV1y9QyJjj5Oi o1jaFd83gOeJbfjBpzXewrE9TYDSmkKTTvx7gSbOLmoC468WxuBKlwut2Evj mf836Y6vo8.h3nQw0nH4NPLCYDwR.gZQhiuslnaadDNgxT8l74Bjy5vdX2Vx 3X6Uqii3SxcpPCStQcmXZnbm91pU6nZUKL6KhaN3hPZO3h4Rl9i.ZQEqbgoZ HuiVeXuZlrs5BOx._5FOSzuemTuXc0sDrsrX7pq16v4WjkUcWoGCQ7lciYHM 8GqZ._SkFZfbeVxP2U2lx7fNrnT.pmRg_haeVuTiA77mSziODKBZRFAEByMC jkXryT99_vgbyMnit9gwJc3YDsqTNfZAAQ_4fIaEQ0x9N_Rae264ZJFQPCmK FOCQjj92dSLY9W_qmjJrgHiV8d454McW6F4hUGM308Nm07LXoVNVQVoJyf3d gFZHmNDUAx61.qpwveUpURw2GPxnkO2tLucNQkZsu3dy7v8.N9xzuuaRzqpM roPTNHDEA06oHsAZfvSWp Received: from [98.110.172.183] by web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 10:14:31 PDT QmxhdGFudCBjb21tZXJjaWFsaXNtLiBJJ3ZlIGp1c3QgcG9zdGVkIGFuIGFkIGZvciBTdW5iZWFtIGxpdGVyYXR1cmUgZm9yIHNhbGUgb24gdGhlIEFscGluZSBjbHViIHdlYnBhZ2U6Cnd3dy5zdW5iZWFtYWxwaW5lLm9yZ8KgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgIGluIHRoZSBmb3J1bSAnZm9yIHNhbGUnIHNlY3Rpb24uIEl0IGluY2x1ZGVzIGEgYnJvY2h1cmUgZm9yIFRpZ2VyIElJIGFuZCBTdW5iZWFtIEFscGluZSBWOCwKYXMgd2VsbCBhcyBib29rcy4KCgpJZiB5b3UgY2FuJ3QgYWNjZXNzIGl0LCABMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 10:14:31 -0700 (PDT) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Tiger, Alpine lit for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Blatant commercialism. I've just posted an ad for Sunbeam literature for sale on the Alpine club webpage: www.sunbeamalpine.org in the forum 'for sale' section. It includes a brochure for Tiger II and Sunbeam Alpine V8, as well as books. If you can't access it, I can send an individual copy. Regular programming will now continue. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 12:19:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E4C42923 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 12:19:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f181.google.com (mail-qc0-f181.google.com [209.85.216.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3A3427C9 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 12:18:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id u12so3059912qcx.40 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 11:18:49 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=RnJ2bXDQ/FSGyvKvtxWkzkBQg0P6Mvd2a7ttMe1Zzfc=; b=nrUbPOfk8zzkVocu1V1ToAsCQIqVA6JsDe6ZcJFz1WXVTAz0e2adKMJeSGWiXwpeEp JafqogDtodoeTlpcWSc58VqbFq7/Jsz0+Y16/QOakUIqIeFq7BvxGcceKuK9ka++9W+9 /xAU5Rnn57xkvkLcfQ2nqo8ObZ1NY7oG8fFcKSvGLorT9uBlmICH6ruzuJUG6Un5YI9a UjarHE+IOVX17WRw0UgM6+1E8y2koDJ68lZrlVUDmIcQ4eR9PwMdZQWSDGxEDWorpbCQ JIe+Z7A9DueFz3UU9zT5y6b5RB1/k80HrOTHx0Z9AjwvkiHp5Pf+dkXtZaNXoge/X1hx GLdQ== y2mr34070673qai.61.1372702729210; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 11:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.132.1 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 11:18:49 -0700 (PDT) References: <9dbd9.197b184b.3f017baf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 14:18:49 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Cc: Rollright@aol.com, LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol LMA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, I got mine from Amazon. None of the local guys (in GA) carry it or were interested in a special order. Rick at SS carries it also; he swears by it. Tom '67 mark 2 On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 8:16 AM, wrote: > > http://www.google.com/#gs_rn=17&gs_ri=psy-ab&cp=11&gs_id=16&xhr=t&q=castrol+ > > lma&es_nrs=true&pf=p&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&rlz=1C2AFAB_enUS486US522&o > > q=castrol+lma&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48572450,d.cGE&fp=91775a5 > ffeeeacff&biw=1034&bih=568 > > > In a message dated 6/30/2013 5:09:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > Rollright@aol.com writes: > > Hello, > > I need some advice. I've been using Castrol LMA for years after trying > DOT > 5 for a couple of seasons. I wanted to buy some LMA but I tried the local > Auto Zone and the NAPA and no luck. Buying it on-line is OK but you get > stuck with heavy shipping fees. > > The Auto Zone had some STP 3-4 and straight 4 synthetic. Would this be an > OK mix or replacement for LMA? Or does anybody know of a national chain > that carries LMA so I can stick to that? BTW, Auto Zone can't even > special > order it for me! > > Any ideas? > > Jim Armstrong > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 12:49:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15C0427C7 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 12:49:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32534279A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 12:45:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from JeffE6410ATG ([74.103.169.51]) by p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id v6kw1l00416sh7N016kwSS; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 11:45:07 -0700 From: "Jeff Feit" To: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 14:45:00 -0400 thread-index: Ac52ikgvSQLwNlhHRdiEKaPqrN8NLQ== Content-language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Rust never sleeps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Here's a new one by me. As you may recall I took the original, untouched 260 out of my Tiger to simply clean it up and fix the leaks. Not removing the heads, but had the bottom end apart to do the rear main seal. While pressure washing the gunk off the outside of the engine, I blew a hole right through a freeze plug! Turns out there were several that were so thin you could see through them. Glad I found this before I put it back in. Jeff Feit B9471573 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_2044 (800x600).jpg] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 13:20:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DB3427BD for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 13:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B937B4273E for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 13:09:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id v6C81l0040x6nqcAD79YEa; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 19:09:32 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id v79X1l00Z2xZMJ48Y79Xjx; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 19:09:31 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:09:31 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: MWood24020@aol.com s=q20121106; t=1372705772; bh=+0cOCLsGT/6WBHvMjrcTwgZ1md9oem4epRSxNzzbi0o=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=kUcnDNO67qjERT++2UHNbEbIzoaydIVNAPDwv9ZZFC6celryE8KTXubVd/gWA4/zQ vq0qvUN2q4EBnHNfIP77XiA44ocewGIZax6PT5gUIGr1vasInBrATYRe6ou7dL2O7t jv1O17i/+KqsqkE5gv8d5DsGQPRUhlTLpVE+VBb13Qjhj/UD5Boz62yRyjoe+qsSo2 Hc+0r89Vq5rs3TtNKDA4iyACm06og798Cn/Q4vJWooVh0bC4BWYsnww1UBT/sarGzm c6t+FOXiQO/MG4AqmiGQFjiJIiwTR8ZCsJA+rinUAacwxLtlt7Hq27JK3kZN6wrxCd REaDceisCUlNA== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the info Mike. 15x7 would be awsome. Any more info on that setup anyone? Panasports? Rear offset? Tires? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: MWood24020@aol.com To: garywinblad@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 15:33:28 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires Just got around to this email...guess I've been a little preoccupied! On the subject of tires...and keeping in mind I live in CA and also am more interested in performance than durability... Regarding 15" wheels, Tom Kukla is successfully running 15X7" all around with no clearance issues. The fronts are 20mm offset. I don't believe he has done any body work and he didn't have any clearance issues. Can't say this would be true of all cars...nothing really is, when it comes to Tigers, it seems. The other option with 15's that makes sense is to run 15X6" all around with one of the new gen street tires, like the Dunlop Star Spec II, BFG Rival, etc. Given the need for a well supported sidewall with these tires, seems a 195/50 would be as big as you'd want to go. As far as 13" choices go, the Toyo RA1 sized 205/60 is the only thing I'd consider. Probably too aggressive for many, but it works well in the wet (if you ever get caught out) and very well in the dry. Best of all worlds, for me (and pending fitment), would be a set of 15X7's mounted up with 205/50 BFG Rivals and my spare set of 13X6's mounted with 225/50 Hoosier A6 for autocross (the Hoosier works fine pinched on a smaller rim width) :-) In a message dated 6/21/2013 3:00:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, garywinblad@comcast.net writes: So now that we know all about brake theory and upgrades... What about the current state of TIRES? I was shocked to find that 13 inch tires are all but done for. All you can now get are cheap "economy car" tires or one single type of street legal race tire that costs $600 per set. Nothing in between. And I was finally going to actually drive my Tiger some again... and my 1993 tires are really bad... sooo... Mike Wood, did you solve the 15 inch wheel search? Any ideas? Gary _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 13:36:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795C1429CD for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 13:36:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E9E42798 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 13:35:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail204-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.248) by VA3EHSOBE004.bigfish.com (10.7.40.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:35:49 +0000 Received: from mail204-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail204-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDD0B001D6 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:35:49 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail204-va3: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail204-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail204-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1372707347435636_17313; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:35:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS036.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.234]) by mail204-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685AD400049 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:35:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by VA3EHSMHS036.bigfish.com (10.7.99.46) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:35:47 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com (10.5.143.145) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 14:35:56 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.143.145]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 14:35:45 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: LIST TIGER Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Castrol LMA Thread-Index: AQHOdYuwBhzNE7S8mkmRnAlo2vVlbZlQd5eA///A1cA= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:35:44 +0000 References: <9dbd9.197b184b.3f017baf@aol.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol LMA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For what it's worth, I noticed Castrol LMA on the shelf at the NAPA close to our office (in Cochrane, AB, of all places). If they have it there it can't be that hard to come by. Theo ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 14:22:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24E2427D0 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 14:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE4A42797 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 14:21:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 32C73700444EF for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 16:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlb002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.144]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 033A4E000089 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 16:21:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Carmods@aol.com Full-name: Carmods Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 16:21:32 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372710093; bh=idYRW1I0WLo7+lrhruZbeCtmOL4JS0rdW9nwVdipw6k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=f3kKxAMRvdIzO6Ji57O8elSoR1u28dVZYpGshRjbPQSUC7yjkeuRp0h1AJ0qqDNy9 brjmovwjOoNce/iigW2SChUBUVR9U4sQUN93lybmlCeWvnZk6p2xlbKVCjRTkXwAvX pK8bp5HwDyvXeBJILgk0oWZo6r9KfE3E/DHWbFvg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290951d1e4cd1041 Subject: [Tigers] Castrol GTLMA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This question has probably been asked many times but I will ask it again. Has Castrol Dot 4 brake fluid replaced Castrol GTLMA and is it compatible? John Logan _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 14:24:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AEE1427D0 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 14:24:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9006B42797 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 14:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 60639700000A4 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 16:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfe005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.120.156]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 04C25E000082; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 16:24:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 16:24:27 -0400 (EDT) To: Carmods@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372710268; bh=jTGIZDfUZpX0NEO+ZmTdC5QZy+mFK8M/Ip6ib92gBtc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eCieyfmrzcQZSGVOo6pNEVCutQn6sgoAgEVnJwBoyVGdGtwemBMz21QfbUjxnuT2F PZIxpXtq8tuY8wlpk23AZpUI0Mom6tCsVpdG6xqS6fBpsNNiLrnlKXFS7dlmXE5ZJc HsVsYUEFjb7HFT5m3uT4MWz/xZoQ03H9z8HPvdjc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c751d1e57c2082 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol GTLMA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net _http://www.google.com/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&rlz=1C2SFXN_enUS501US52 2&q=Has+Castrol+Dot+4+brake+fluid+replaced+Castrol+GTLMA+and+is+it++compatib le%3F&oq=Has+Castrol+Dot+4+brake+fluid+replaced+Castrol+GTLMA+and+is+it++com patible%3F&gs_l=hp.12...873.873.0.3006.1.1.0.0.0.0.172.172.0j1.1.0...0.0.0.. 1c.2.17.psy-ab.ylQ-KLwv8Jk&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48705608,d.cGE&fp= 49d00251bcacaa12&biw=1040&bih=874_ (http://www.google.com/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&rlz=1C2SFXN_enUS501US522&q=Has+Castrol+Dot+4+brake+fluid+replace d+Castrol+GTLMA+and+is+it++compatible?&oq=Has+Castrol+Dot+4+brake+fluid+repl aced+Castrol+GTLMA+and+is+it++compatible?&gs_l=hp.12...873.873.0.3006.1.1.0. 0.0.0.172.172.0j1.1.0...0.0.0..1c.2.17.psy-ab.ylQ-KLwv8Jk&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or. r_qf.&bvm=bv.48705608,d.cGE&fp=49d00251bcacaa12&biw=1040&bih=874) In a message dated 7/1/2013 1:22:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Carmods@aol.com writes: Has Castrol Dot 4 brake fluid replaced Castrol GTLMA and is it compatible? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 15:13:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BAB40654 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 15:13:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s23.bay0.hotmail.com (unknown [65.54.190.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DCA42758 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 15:03:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY178-DS20 ([65.54.190.187]) by bay0-omc3-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 1 Jul 2013 14:03:29 -0700 From: Arden Bedell To: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 14:03:30 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac52nnBENg4fW592SzebtWZeXHlXRA== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[6FAC0D60:01CE769E] Subject: [Tigers] Craigslist Tiger - Salem, OR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://salem.craigslist.org/pts/3907407419.html _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 15:55:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864F242774 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 15:55:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA8F40453 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 15:43:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8A5D1700721A8; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 17:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfe005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.120.156]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5CBECE000087; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 17:43:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 17:43:58 -0400 (EDT) To: sixtysixtiger@hotmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372715038; bh=OzYflbc7raRQ+Ylwjy8QeJo/J5IZ+gmVjzZamWmEPz4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=j5AtnG1350U8MflxPbzRnyLxhE7EBNgwVEHUz+OunSvx8abhsu13a58vq6Skz5oj3 nNSgrCUVKQFny/+WZDk41YnDDPx9bJrBqMbdlX+iSM5CRjPuT2mxWJcPOhduc3zOAU SFPM4wc9TiXMPAHM25YPZjr1cD7IpqxEB+NQkDbo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c951d1f81e672f Subject: Re: [Tigers] Craigslist Tiger - Salem, OR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://salem.craigslist.org/search/sss?zoomToPosting=&query=sunbeam&catAbb=c ta&srchType=A&minAsk=&maxAsk= Lots of Sunbeams in Oregon. In a message dated 7/1/2013 2:13:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sixtysixtiger@hotmail.com writes: http://salem.craigslist.org/pts/3907407419.html _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 16:41:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E032427C7 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 16:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0825B42735 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 16:37:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 22:37:41 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.201] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 22:37:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 22:37:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 31125 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jul 2013 22:37:41 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372718261; bh=yY04iMFUlPHbeJnr1EN+rWlWiXZUbHwt8pyMEC6jKNc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HZ1/lzod8cDUsk7yIwMZAyqEh/CHvrf80KehUhWwUo19VkhXeliwFXYz3y+qQxrlW5zWrJ/IOiv+6W7I+rhvUB4J0bEJjhApFhqaXWtms0GMmasoPXMSk6pG0AvGWZuswX73GSAz99jjzFYIxjWWZ06tmPbHXN0wy+QpYhiu4bk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W6K8wn7czgmvrKeFIteT5rq5FCXsaR/0Waf4Sdjd8JmURAljfUPFXSwnHj7j9PCBtQzfaKRoWictDoeqJQqizJeCeyELM5acP4J20x3GlSBwyTZYfqEdxs7frdhtDfYYnFeBTTN7sdfNA24+Z68dO8WLeND0NiaoxmFekVoqGNU= ; bapZUwnUZCNmiSBsxlsYwL7g3wgEXFlsT4rNESHj9EHBtTxg4DSW0OoqicOc pKPyqfhbNONLTln1UwBWNkNOidFJ8KxKJHtiYo4_pzc5mButg4u_oY8McfdT 0UMmedWks35zvWS2kYuilo27GesVdBqv7C9lxdhUOT.HxOmwlAMKlaFimHij PU.9GwY1ejj42OQByXIzKL9EMxLwkDflEjo43oKGaAXKDYZ8lHSmK8mRnnKK KlA0DVelENbgLnFd3aBZ5H85oPhwwB5DHeulFqMpvkVGEM6nirWXnd27Dw7p KZDxoO_L0RgWY32OcEBdXR5WyEEaWcztLl1ioTQxxFAE_v7CyUQkotLX4Ok9 2sC1K_wQW6wIZO.C6G_k5B3TDYucW916e.5lPK1.kB2Tyb9NRQYOiBUSB572 l5bt34x4mzzxdg794YD7roEqk14TwZpLShL3wz0VQIxWdDsxf25.2GeQChMX iatFeylxzX9z7fXH6fqUlMZBxj2tCG6iW8DnnWYz4tGT1qFRV2Sq4g5mA1Vl .Grkc Received: from [98.110.172.183] by web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 15:37:41 PDT QXMgdGhlIGZlbGxhIHNhaWQsIHRoZXJlIGFyZSBzZXZlcmFsIFRpZ2VyIG93bmVycyBpbiB0aGUgYXJlYS4gRm9yIGFueSBsdXJraW5nIHBvdGVudGlhbCBUaWdlciBidXllcnMsIHRoZXJlIGFyZSBzb21lIG93bmVycyBpbiB0aGUgUG9ydGxhbmQvU2FsZW0vRXVnZW5lCmFyZWEgdGhhdCBtaWdodCBiZSBhdmFpbGFibGUgdG8gaGVscCBzb21lb25lIHNob3BwaW5nIGZvciBvbmUuIFRoZXJlJ3MgZXZlbiBhIFBhY2lmaWMgVGlnZXIgQ2x1YiB0byBzZXJ2ZSB5b3UuIEp1c3Qgc2F5IHRoZSB3b3JkLCBhbmQgd2UBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 15:37:41 -0700 (PDT) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale in Salem, OR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net As the fella said, there are several Tiger owners in the area. For any lurking potential Tiger buyers, there are some owners in the Portland/Salem/Eugene area that might be available to help someone shopping for one. There's even a Pacific Tiger Club to serve you. Just say the word, and we can throw some local names at you. I'm not one of them(I'm in Boston, but I know some people who know some people who...). Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 2 12:43:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61AE42731 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 12:43:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net (txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D298D40560 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 12:43:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Roscrea ([74.196.108.150]) by txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.01.08 201-2343-100-153-20121108) with ESMTP id <20130702183918.ZQNM18913.txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net@Roscrea> for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 13:39:18 -0500 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "Tiger Autox" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 13:43:16 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac53VAO0pmreSYVMRSavhS3R8V9MEw== Content-Language: en-us cv=xGd+3R4YEoif1yDCP3iI4FQ10ArTR87gcpeKPZcKSLw= c=1 sm=0 a=xzW3HwPJiLYA:10 a=VPHkNMUpP2kA:10 a=eYvp6Ey8AAAA:8 a=2v10U1ChAAAA:8 a=-IwnIjdmmqRSkLCLUs4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=XMSjS9PhLJwA:10 a=QeDGjjNqQ_oA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=8okOTRx9xhywmjIVJzgA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Seems that there is a lot of discussion on the little 13" tires for the Tiger. I know I had a set on order for almost a year and a half from Tires.com with no luck at all. Then the discussion about two or three week ago on this list got me thinking to order again from Tires.com. Well they contacted me a couple of days later and said they were out and they were on back order. Just as they had said on my earlier order. He said to try EBay, so I did. Now I know a lot of you guys do a lot of outcrossing and other types of racing that require a well built and aggressive tire, but for those of you that just want a tire for general driving, the ones I found seem to be just the ticket. The sizes I ordered are 205/60 13 and 185/60 13. My tires are over ten years old and even though there is plenty of tread, I just didn't trust them, tires can dry rot from the inside. Anyway the ones I ordered are Formosa brand (never heard of them before) of course made in Taiwan. However they are rated H which is 130mph, of course I hope I never get my Tiger to that speed. The point of this whole discussion is that tires ARE available. And at a very reasonable price. The company I ordered from is at www.tires-easy.com . Very fast delivery also. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 2 13:59:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A786429C6 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 13:59:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F7D40540 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 13:51:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vXkf1l0061smiN4AFXrKr9; Tue, 02 Jul 2013 19:51:19 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vXrJ1l00j2yr1eL8gXrJgX; Tue, 02 Jul 2013 19:51:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 19:51:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Jerry Mo Christopherson s=q20121106; t=1372794679; bh=JvY+gfUp/RTVN7oaDc6oNMa8i6HEf1Mgz10EmspsaDE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=i7tPAXYjv0EMitu7CuvPOVDKlFRrw1jeNp28EQD2PHUWLJJWbG8ExmTXAJAEbqDMp V0AWXECQTiANRTegS/YmutJZmfA863F7drjylu8sFXJgIVRhEvA9s4Pz67Zl5djgta lPxdaEzXW6eBeRmfrjMXbiggHsGZfeB5eaZglof4y6vU9D+leOOMEz7wnTdJTxg4ez 9L3zX6Qh36fUDXkU9nkCUCkfxlirPwNdDBNKZXEOhjIpwi5TgGNdesvoRM1we+iHPD fMYwnU/UOZl2gls62SisSs9Y6134wj3iyZToDTM4jlD2976SC3ea/VMPg3IpVU8W8R 9sJYe5vtXD8aQ== Cc: Tiger Autox Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jerry, My tires are from 1993, I am a LOT more worried than you! Are you sure you are not buying 10 year old "new" tires? When you get them, let us know the date code Thanks, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Mo Christopherson To: Tiger Autox Sent: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 18:43:16 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Tires Seems that there is a lot of discussion on the little 13" tires for the Tiger. I know I had a set on order for almost a year and a half from Tires.com with no luck at all. Then the discussion about two or three week ago on this list got me thinking to order again from Tires.com. Well they contacted me a couple of days later and said they were out and they were on back order. Just as they had said on my earlier order. He said to try EBay, so I did. Now I know a lot of you guys do a lot of outcrossing and other types of racing that require a well built and aggressive tire, but for those of you that just want a tire for general driving, the ones I found seem to be just the ticket. The sizes I ordered are 205/60 13 and 185/60 13. My tires are over ten years old and even though there is plenty of tread, I just didn't trust them, tires can dry rot from the inside. Anyway the ones I ordered are Formosa brand (never heard of them before) of course made in Taiwan. However they are rated H which is 130mph, of course I hope I never get my Tiger to that speed. The point of this whole discussion is that tires ARE available. And at a very reasonable price. The company I ordered from is at www.tires-easy.com . Very fast delivery also. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 2 14:30:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF7A429E2 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 14:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net (txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF3C40540 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 14:27:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Roscrea ([74.196.108.150]) by txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.01.08 201-2343-100-153-20121108) with ESMTP id <20130702202208.CCDN15280.txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net@Roscrea>; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 15:22:08 -0500 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "'Gary Winblad'" References: <000601ce7754$03d08b00$0b71a100$@suddenlink.net> <1819109715.803401.1372794678841.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 15:27:09 -0500 Thread-Index: AQKA5DNTmA5cbsGY8W4Sn1fLO3YPLJfs+vqg Content-Language: en-us cv=nvd/yrl/AfBi2AQBqU20c9D/6sbg7QzXyawrlrNqrV4= c=1 sm=0 a=xzW3HwPJiLYA:10 a=VPHkNMUpP2kA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=8LaAqv5HAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=eYvp6Ey8AAAA:8 a=2v10U1ChAAAA:8 a=-8KSwx8I2lju4d7yeL8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=QeDGjjNqQ_oA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=gPGHqaX6uacA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=v4NDWM6cAooA:10 a=h7bEdubVL2xolVK3:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Cc: 'Tiger Autox' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The question came up what the date code is on my tires, which is very important. My two front 185/60-13 are coded 3511 which if Ibm not mistaken means the 35 week of 2011, and the rear 205/60-13 are coded 1612 which means the 16th week of 2012. Hopes this helps. By the way the tires are bFederal Formosab brand. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC insp. 358 From: Gary Winblad [mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 2:51 PM To: Jerry Mo Christopherson Cc: Tiger Autox Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Tires Jerry, My tires are from 1993, I am a LOT more worried than you! Are you sure you are not buying 10 year old "new" tires? When you get them, let us know the date code Thanks, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Mo Christopherson To: Tiger Autox Sent: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 18:43:16 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Tires Seems that there is a lot of discussion on the little 13" tires for the Tiger. I know I had a set on order for almost a year and a half from Tires.com with no luck at all. Then the discussion about two or three week ago on this list got me thinking to order again from Tires.com. Well they contacted me a couple of days later and said they were out and they were on back order. Just as they had said on my earlier order. He said to try EBay, so I did. Now I know a lot of you guys do a lot of outcrossing and other types of racing that require a well built and aggressive tire, but for those of you that just want a tire for general driving, the ones I found seem to be just the ticket. The sizes I ordered are 205/60 13 and 185/60 13. My tires are over ten years old and even though there is plenty of tread, I just didn't trust them, tires can dry rot from the inside. Anyway the ones I ordered are Formosa brand (never heard of them before) of course made in Taiwan. However they are rated H which is 130mph, of course I hope I never get my Tiger to that speed. The point of this whole discussion is that tires ARE available. And at a very reasonable price. The company I ordered from is at www.tires-easy.com . Very fast delivery also. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 2 15:01:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFC0428A7 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 15:01:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BC44051F for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 14:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MPB00AT7U1QM8H0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 02 Jul 2013 15:53:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <000601ce7754$03d08b00$0b71a100$@suddenlink.net> <1819109715.803401.1372794678841.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <000001ce7762$86d8ab50$948a01f0$@suddenlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 13:53:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Jerry. My Tiger has the 13" Cosmic wheels (like the Harrington has). Thus, I have interest in using 13" tires. Though I'm glad you found these Formosa tires I see they were $73 plus shipping, plus taxes. Sadly it seems like it wasn't too long ago I was contemplating 205-60-13" Sumitumo HTR-200's for $44 each and under $9 to ship (from The Tire Rack). And, at that time I had probably seven or so tires to choose from. My Tiger has been on jackstands for 13 years now. Maybe half that time ago people started talking about 13" tires going away. I contemplated buying a set. But each year the car sat and I was thankful the tires weren't "dating" in the air - yet I was frustrated that the choices became fewer and the price higher. I guess it's like retirement. The longer you work, the more money you have. But, the fewer days (and health) to enjoy it. Tom > The question came up what the date code is on my tires, which is very > important. My two front 185/60-13 are coded 3511 which if Ibm not > mistaken > means the 35 week of 2011, and the rear 205/60-13 are coded 1612 which > means > the 16th week of 2012. > > > > Hopes this helps. By the way the tires are bFederal Formosab brand. > > > > Jerry Christopherson > > 9473187 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 2 18:55:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA76A42A20 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 18:55:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f176.google.com (mail-ie0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91716427D3 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 18:53:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ar20so13640641iec.21 for ; Tue, 02 Jul 2013 17:53:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=h0sfd6Lj7/+UbIroiznoQ0SeChXpGBbQAzk9pfYfCX4=; b=BrWNYdSAARv/gScWESgYIrmajAgrYcr4nqvtWgHJ+/lvnX3FjQ7nFpxpSmLmLKxu4I 3KkXEezx3biCAE2rAMxkxGois1PMOHc8V8AIIB8kZjBYQWW9xCKqLTXsSxDv7kWWtePX +gyyFwsii/T3Wtpk8RbwMTLtPkf005EnbgauDJQAkl1+CUZ1StFG4D3roXFupPoI9VHJ E4LCqnK95rz/EqOwf7pe0ak0hR3CNQuhK7dgm0OA85ubL+X3+/KpE0ff45odyLrek8DT nPa5CwFAyYMZZtVImlGZmv8kA51BJg1qLtmHnbvftChUF5wc6/H9uWZua7yvnVGDcQtJ aNUw== dz6mr16014507igb.5.1372812836578; Tue, 02 Jul 2013 17:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.68.10 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 17:53:56 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:53:56 +1000 From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] another Tiger fraud auction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Guys, I had emailed the seller during the auction and asked if i bought the car could he store it for 3 weeks while I arranged shipping, I also asked his preferred method of payment. I got this response today after the auction had closed: *Tomos Evans 03:18 (7 hours ago) to me Hi, I appreciate your interest in my 1964 Sunbeam Tiger MK I Sports. The car is still available for sale. The actual buyer didn't have all the funds available and didn't follow through with the purchase. I have a clear title in my name. Please find a link to additional photos bellow my message. My asking price is $16,000. I am currently away for a few days, but I will be back to Lowell next week. I can arrange shipping to your location when I return. For payment I accept bank wire transfer. Alternately we can close this deal using eBay protection. If we close this deal I will email you a scan of the title before wiring the payment. Let me know if you agree with my terms. Thanks, Tomos Evans http://postimg.org/gallery/27j07w50* On 29 June 2013 17:09, michael king wrote: > *Fraud tiger auction! This car is for sale in Melbourne Australia at the > healey factory.. NOT IN THE USA!!! > > beware!! > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAM-TIGER-RHD-Convertible-1964-sunbeam-tiger-mk-i-sports-rhd-/111108853991?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item19de9a90e7&vxp=mtr > * > > -- > Regards > > Michael King -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 2 19:54:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB95C42A76 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 19:54:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f48.google.com (mail-qe0-f48.google.com [209.85.128.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D3442A42 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 19:52:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 2so2794787qea.35 for ; Tue, 02 Jul 2013 18:52:57 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=6lN/63OnclIRxjo3n2ZdIEhRsSjcbpEk+GPCzxUcfaI=; b=ZyQprCrP1g0xcAh89L/Yq0e2+JqvYozxF1wORWeNxhguTaqQdUz+6RsegLv3ZgTD3q oq8jlwcuI0WQtJAMDmqX5msRdQJ/UcYQ2LAAzcNrT85Aa0ybkWwLNwCrEw0G/uf7sCfu kRUnVX31eDekloA0RU2tbLjhpdV0ZyaDnYik3/1yigP/XsZ/tATSC4V1Vi3guNOk6Nof ZY7xFfZNkSbk3IBg570C3zBAeSW7Ix7OvATx2YKXw3VdXKLJR1LgS8DBocRffMTwFMiK PA/Hcg6ETSXc+tKzutBzzokJmF/DvIwggww/pdArl+pULN6D2oxTlCEp4sSLMk9KL5mL k9PQ== dd6mr769018qab.24.1372816376917; Tue, 02 Jul 2013 18:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.35.108 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 18:52:56 -0700 (PDT) References: <000601ce7754$03d08b00$0b71a100$@suddenlink.net> <1819109715.803401.1372794678841.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <000001ce7762$86d8ab50$948a01f0$@suddenlink.net> <9C2508FD02FB43B4907C49DF044748AA@optiplex3301> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 21:52:56 -0400 From: Jeffery Randall To: Thomas Witt Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jerry You are correct in your date code analysis first #s are the week second #s are the last 2 numbers of the year of manufacture. Jeff On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Thomas Witt wrote: > Thanks Jerry. My Tiger has the 13" Cosmic wheels (like the Harrington > has). Thus, I have interest in using 13" tires. Though I'm glad you found > these Formosa tires I see they were $73 plus shipping, plus taxes. Sadly > it seems like it wasn't too long ago I was contemplating 205-60-13" > Sumitumo HTR-200's for $44 each and under $9 to ship (from The Tire Rack). > And, at that time I had probably seven or so tires to choose from. > > My Tiger has been on jackstands for 13 years now. Maybe half that time > ago people started talking about 13" tires going away. I contemplated > buying a set. But each year the car sat and I was thankful the tires > weren't "dating" in the air - yet I was frustrated that the choices became > fewer and the price higher. I guess it's like retirement. The longer you > work, the more money you have. But, the fewer days (and health) to enjoy it. > Tom > > > > > The question came up what the date code is on my tires, which is very >> important. My two front 185/60-13 are coded 3511 which if Ib m not >> mistaken >> means the 35 week of 2011, and the rear 205/60-13 are coded 1612 which >> means >> the 16th week of 2012. >> >> >> >> Hopes this helps. By the way the tires are b Federal Formosab brand. >> >> >> >> Jerry Christopherson >> >> 9473187 >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/tigers/jefferyrandall@**gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 2 20:55:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C52642AAA for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 20:55:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C742042A3C for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 20:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6415670000084; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 22:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mle002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.199]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 34E32E000088; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 22:51:01 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 22:51:01 -0400 (EDT) To: michael.s.king@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372819861; bh=QoWm73DAaYdRfSp/ja6XdKEisUVeUVxs3VVen7ZjHos=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DGg/S1pIDfXuJDlIAqZ7q4qi7qZm0T4x1jtCetScyIoKF+5kjLeb28H8Um+tbIprR AypNHq70pcdFSSgqiUzvlymh9ELE9MW4D31fOl11lgAcoOhkrZfYLR8KAh3Nfi74fa EyCsGwbKQamzd4XxNpzJbrXpr8k70vt5Fb1zQ8es= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d51d391954cf1 Subject: Re: [Tigers] another Tiger fraud auction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, You'd better buy fast or I will snap it up. I recd. the same letter from Tomos.....word for word:-)) Mark L In a message dated 7/2/2013 8:54:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael.s.king@gmail.com writes: Guys, I had emailed the seller during the auction and asked if i bought the car could he store it for 3 weeks while I arranged shipping, I also asked his preferred method of payment. I got this response today after the auction had closed: *Tomos Evans 03:18 (7 hours ago) to me Hi, I appreciate your interest in my 1964 Sunbeam Tiger MK I Sports. The car is still available for sale. The actual buyer didn't have all the funds available and didn't follow through with the purchase. I have a clear title in my name. Please find a link to additional photos bellow my message. My asking price is $16,000. I am currently away for a few days, but I will be back to Lowell next week. I can arrange shipping to your location when I return. For payment I accept bank wire transfer. Alternately we can close this deal using eBay protection. If we close this deal I will email you a scan of the title before wiring the payment. Let me know if you agree with my terms. Thanks, Tomos Evans http://postimg.org/gallery/27j07w50* On 29 June 2013 17:09, michael king wrote: > *Fraud tiger auction! This car is for sale in Melbourne Australia at the > healey factory.. NOT IN THE USA!!! > > beware!! > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAM-TIGER-RHD-Convertible-1964-sunbeam-tiger-mk-i-sports-rhd-/111108853991?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item 19de9a90e7&vxp=mtr > * > > -- > Regards > > Michael King -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 04:45:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4295D42AF9 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 04:45:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9203042934 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 04:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vmjF1l0031vXlb851mlG0H; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:45:16 +0000 Received: from M6600 ([98.237.122.112]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vmlF1l00P2RcbfE3dmlG94; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:45:16 +0000 From: "George" To: "'michael king'" , "'Tiger Talk List Tiger'" References: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 06:45:11 -0400 Thread-Index: AQGd0fleJaCYqcy5huS9eGQRPxvo3wJw1mGzmaCJbHA= Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1372848316; bh=FGaAyHy1KOSZUFBNh6jsIWKx1vzr8vm6U8TroQUA1IU=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=O9xB+JaBXlyfzcvCwpapeupqTawgPONdk6JdRtuZaS5ACYQLj744EYEijb8p9nBML 9D/uD82jJQauUlOxq1F3a3XFBTGlzuH/Tbh4j3tGhDJjZu9wh0C9ZuoBLaKpl+wKux qCOYseq2Su4sWxAHhoe0Valz2xXGG0gDVmxLOk7xoh2+tElTz8ZsEvksKr66JBoHTw Sn93+KyNHtvgXfMQYfJpoIlQYR08EqUGdIxFJv++XO06CncYtawInmXqR5QV0m2XBH j8pkOjhl8hDUWNBicJSdw8CR/2ycGtRrZ+fegf5FQ+1YCTAVhU6ZiBjvQy0t3It99U c11cEm1tnkeYQ== Subject: Re: [Tigers] another Tiger fraud auction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I emailed him asking why I could see the same car & pictures at http://www.healeyfactory.com.au/listing/1964-sunbeam-tiger/ and have yet to get an answer. The next day the auction was gone! George -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:54 PM To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] another Tiger fraud auction Guys, I had emailed the seller during the auction and asked if i bought the car could he store it for 3 weeks while I arranged shipping, I also asked his preferred method of payment. I got this response today after the auction had closed: 03:18 (7 hours ago) to me Hi, I appreciate your interest in my 1964 Sunbeam Tiger MK I Sports. The car is still available for sale. The actual buyer didn't have all the funds available and didn't follow through with the purchase. I have a clear title in my name. Please find a link to additional photos bellow my message. My asking price is $16,000. I am currently away for a few days, but I will be back to Lowell next week. I can arrange shipping to your location when I return. For payment I accept bank wire transfer. Alternately we can close this deal using eBay protection. If we close this deal I will email you a scan of the title before wiring the payment. Let me know if you agree with my terms. Thanks, Tomos Evans http://postimg.org/gallery/27j07w50* michael.s.king@gmail.com> wrote: > *Fraud tiger auction! This car is for sale in Melbourne Australia at > the healey factory.. NOT IN THE USA!!! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 07:28:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C9042B92 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 07:28:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f46.google.com (mail-pa0-f46.google.com [209.85.220.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9879542B26 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 07:21:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id fa11so224930pad.33 for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 06:21:54 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=8nvQFMiEc2DMuPF5wX0ITLq31cC4QQTHCt+8U94C2bU=; b=M3nLYFThScbFo86xAZvrMcuzm4fR8ncd0TjmYoDVsNT/crUBu2RmugHhawMda0Mzc/ +gWdtUFV6bNdp7LeEqaJ/9VUJ/hhaJ5R1P/XnvSakFwVJqnminjUQPoSGLMJYh/Aw9Z+ HV5gsLhphs+47rYpxTq0Af8dhYxTEFr6c7nNRFTUvdSOF9mpvNK2BE/cnnT7Y6sg+rKf QFx30o4C6mNY4NNwdxkekw++y1/VgWd5EZW56Zd/lCo9MEUY/HLedYjJ0Wyvc0o6cg9x Sghku+Ew0oyynH/2UnQSxSwQW3zy4TzHc5oJcnKwoOsPnVElD2yBbwZnplA+BUMbVUGo AINA== rm7mr2474911pab.90.1372857714526; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 06:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.58.198 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 06:21:54 -0700 (PDT) References: <001e01ce77da$64d77220$2e865660$@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:21:54 -0500 From: Cullen McCann To: George Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] another Tiger fraud auction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In my opinion....always be leery of someone who refers to something they are supposed to be intimately familiar with, by what the title of the auction is..".I appreciate your interest in my 1964 Sunbeam Tiger MK I Sports". who in the tiger world would refer to the own car that way? Thats like saying, "thank you for your interest in my Nike Cross Trainer Athletic Shoes Model X with High Impact soles size 12".... its like a robot said it. Gimme a break. The least these scammers can do is make a mild attempt to learn how to fake it better. This has scam written all over it. And I'm not one of those guys who assumes all things too good to be true, are... sometimes good deals do happen, I have a few neat old cars that proof of that. but still, this is dangerous. Cullen Alpine 260 TAC 840 On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 5:45 AM, George wrote: > I emailed him asking why I could see the same car & pictures at > http://www.healeyfactory.com.au/listing/1964-sunbeam-tiger/ and have yet > to > get an answer. The next day the auction was gone! > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of michael king > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:54 PM > To: Tiger Talk List Tiger > Subject: Re: [Tigers] another Tiger fraud auction > > Guys, I had emailed the seller during the auction and asked if i bought the > car could he store it for 3 weeks while I arranged shipping, I also asked > his preferred method of payment. I got this response today after the > auction > had closed: > > > 03:18 (7 hours ago) > > to me > Hi, > I appreciate your interest in my 1964 Sunbeam Tiger MK I Sports. The car is > still available for sale. The actual buyer didn't have all the funds > available and didn't follow through with the purchase. I have a clear title > in my name. Please find a link to additional photos bellow my message. My > asking price is $16,000. I am currently away for a few days, but I will be > back to Lowell next week. I can arrange shipping to your location when I > return. For payment I accept bank wire transfer. Alternately we can close > this deal using eBay protection. If we close this deal I will email you a > scan of the title before wiring the payment. Let me know if you agree with > my terms. > > Thanks, > Tomos Evans > > > http://postimg.org/gallery/27j07w50* > > michael.s.king@gmail.com> wrote: > > > *Fraud tiger auction! This car is for sale in Melbourne Australia at > > the healey factory.. NOT IN THE USA!!! > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 09:17:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12F842BEB for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 09:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f50.google.com (mail-oa0-f50.google.com [209.85.219.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC9242BA4 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 09:14:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id k7so333089oag.9 for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 08:14:17 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=V72P0YCcVDML9kfGBmBbMB3XJMoKFFxnCkYx51MKbRw=; b=PylMyyM4AyHbu6U5IFNnluGmYDDNgew2nBJfXTMx8GKkqASHXj3x48B5x0iSTR3+Eq uW9ZAbyCZDLYD/FCRHFOYvUZxTJJdWHHoPfAPHfBMc2/ipdl8lNf6MKK2WI3VlNnhjjX EjEbAgmVnqztuSs4m2OtS4YkGAsgJYSIZd71UYBwKyXSv1gVscjbkAM6dUxp76tmseii Qj69Pgg3JSbeIJ4Gbgj3IZa6g4sJq1QDsFSw5vBUNnBrY2O7D+WmaGj6dNJ9M5xQ0fCp FyzgwZnuF0ncW/enbYUe51JXCPbOgtkXinXzyF5LJxm0BSKJ+iMBHcWE5uI4cLuX7agg HRdw== Wed, 03 Jul 2013 08:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OFFICEPC (75-32-205-182.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net. [75.32.205.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id mq1sm11649546obb.14.2013.07.03.08.14.15 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Jul 2013 08:14:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe Brown" To: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 10:04:43 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5/1+XUKkzxGeWiT5KlegTb4ghwyg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] England Trip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to everyone that replied with suggestions about my trip. Because our schedule kept changing the only car related thing we go to do was visit the Transport Museum in Coventry (http://www.transport-museum.com/). It doesn't really have anything about Rootes or Sunbeam but it is a great museum. Admission is free and I guess I was expecting a jumble of cars in an old warehouse or something. But this place is very nice and presents the cars (and bicycles and motorcycles) in displays that reflect what was going on in their eras. In another area they have a selection of race cars from F1 to rally. It's a great way to spend an afternoon and you get to see a lot of beautiful countryside getting there. I had been swapping emails with a guy from the Rootes Archive Centre in Banbury (which is very near Coventry). They are only open by appointment and we couldn't make our schedule work out. I noticed on their website ( http://www.rootesarchivecentre.org/) that they have some Rootes branded merchandise for sale but they do not have any photos. They don't keep it at the Centre, so I wouldn't have been able to see it there. Has anyone ever purchased any of this merchandise? Do you have some photos you can share? Of course, Coventry is not far from Silverstone and they had the F1 race there that same day. So we got caught in that traffic on the way back to where I was staying. We saw a great variety of old cars on the highways that day. I don't know if the nice weather brought everybody out on the roads or if the Brits just like to drive their collectible cars to the F1 races. I also spent 1 day touring around London and I've never seen so many Ferraris, Astons, and assorted other fantastic cars on city streets before. Jaguars were as common as Hondas in my hometown. I need to get back over there and spend some more time. Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 09:48:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4A342C12 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 09:48:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f170.google.com (mail-pd0-f170.google.com [209.85.192.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4906242BD2 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 09:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f170.google.com with SMTP id x11so219227pdj.1 for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 08:48:26 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=dXDIaA1ZCxHVXJj6hjFN+KyvxSjOe/uqx9TbG6kLkSw=; b=tLOi++3sUmmmgnvm1rBsv1QFAxsripD/Q8MXKrYt3A1p1VA2WRWNIt6UYMS9PxzmJ2 7xsXim4K3sI8txD8j+CNKgnf8YqBeQ0cKeCydPlJPcU3TRu17aGzylS4VajQTm0YOpF6 9O7lDO0tra2hBr5xRQxlOE2HSqTxq/GXYctPrrQsZMB5eaKAag+paxyOCppqED5XdUlA rou1uEHVCLZHAIwBm8CoKfpUNeQr/FKMaVooFhZMd1BdBGzJ6Ib5SxmrYuwXi5GsNXCN dI9Z8DqWAWktSJSv4PcleKzpNYxub9PphKVzkgPTbDedCmV33h1JMi+Bo6SiSvtLuEtF KNBg== yo5mr1443904pbb.96.1372866506113; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 08:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.136.106 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:48:25 -0700 (PDT) References: <002c01ce7fda$4f6fd410$ee4f7c30$@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:48:25 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: Joe Brown Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] England Trip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The museum is indeed rather nice but of course you do need to brave Coventry to get there :) Classic cars are a not uncommon sight on the roads in the summer at weekends in England. As for the cars in west London, yes it's rather crazy. A lot of money there. I once saw 5 v12 lambos in a row that were unrelated to each other and a rolls Royce was the next car. Also due to the lack of parking, most people park their Porsche turbos and the like on the street. Wander around the residential streets of holland park or Notting hill and you see car after car parked on the street that is something really special. On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Joe Brown wrote: > Thanks to everyone that replied with suggestions about my trip. Because > our > schedule kept changing the only car related thing we go to do was visit the > Transport Museum in Coventry (http://www.transport-museum.com/). It > doesn't > really have anything about Rootes or Sunbeam but it is a great museum. > Admission is free and I guess I was expecting a jumble of cars in an old > warehouse or something. But this place is very nice and presents the cars > (and bicycles and motorcycles) in displays that reflect what was going on > in > their eras. In another area they have a selection of race cars from F1 to > rally. It's a great way to spend an afternoon and you get to see a lot of > beautiful countryside getting there. > > > > I had been swapping emails with a guy from the Rootes Archive Centre in > Banbury (which is very near Coventry). They are only open by appointment > and we couldn't make our schedule work out. I noticed on their website ( > http://www.rootesarchivecentre.org/) > that they have some Rootes branded merchandise for sale but they do not > have > any photos. They don't keep it at the Centre, so I wouldn't have been able > to see it there. Has anyone ever purchased any of this merchandise? Do > you > have some photos you can share? > > > > Of course, Coventry is not far from Silverstone and they had the F1 race > there that same day. So we got caught in that traffic on the way back to > where I was staying. We saw a great variety of old cars on the highways > that day. I don't know if the nice weather brought everybody out on the > roads or if the Brits just like to drive their collectible cars to the F1 > races. > > > > I also spent 1 day touring around London and I've never seen so many > Ferraris, Astons, and assorted other fantastic cars on city streets before. > Jaguars were as common as Hondas in my hometown. I need to get back over > there and spend some more time. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Brown > > Arlington, TX > > B382000217 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 10:49:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8EEF42E39 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:49:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f44.google.com (mail-oa0-f44.google.com [209.85.219.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA59542BA4 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:40:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id l10so472485oag.17 for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 09:40:51 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=Eue4ZRlQM08nXChGezqcYftfEyaBThFXXay/E0Ay398=; b=ROxRcLcknNNsN5aPp1ig6rrGtmF7gXINkesXWOXAgJgsZlk86PE6nx4ZIAW5I0jpNK 4kJcnJqPh8B0EsHfzB4QWE4/nBEZkfzjnNlaNk0dsE8zwbBGsvyJFWAqsyB11XB8mV22 Q2QUV96laMn8k6c10WV0lyQmu7A6166z2f1O7vO5nlZpmaBCJC2/8w3QYREkm07QG0hs NgIcdgATnjJ+Ybm/9oIGjXw8HkF82aTn3L6zXWz/+PeAFl3Ud1UV3B5KAksk5jKzQlLq hya0V3j5KiONFxFhOLqOVHhzeewoIsdHLev/aTFGqU90jIXuN+4mtRXZFuNFZZFazBQf zA+g== dm6mr1561216oeb.44.1372869651260; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 09:40:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OFFICEPC (75-32-205-182.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net. [75.32.205.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x10sm12121499obw.13.2013.07.03.09.40.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Jul 2013 09:40:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe Brown" To: References: <002c01ce7fda$4f6fd410$ee4f7c30$@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 11:31:19 -0500 Thread-Index: AQGx3slpGGmAqtQ7auMoPrJJXDbf5AF5j1hOmZBCdCA= Content-Language: en-us Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] England Trip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yep, saw Aston Martins parked on the streets in Notting Hill. The English say it is all of the new-money Russians. From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 10:48 AM To: Joe Brown Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] England Trip The museum is indeed rather nice but of course you do need to brave Coventry to get there :) Classic cars are a not uncommon sight on the roads in the summer at weekends in England. As for the cars in west London, yes it's rather crazy. A lot of money there. I once saw 5 v12 lambos in a row that were unrelated to each other and a rolls Royce was the next car. Also due to the lack of parking, most people park their Porsche turbos and the like on the street. Wander around the residential streets of holland park or Notting hill and you see car after car parked on the street that is something really special. On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Joe Brown wrote: Thanks to everyone that replied with suggestions about my trip. Because our schedule kept changing the only car related thing we go to do was visit the Transport Museum in Coventry (http://www.transport-museum.com/). It doesn't really have anything about Rootes or Sunbeam but it is a great museum. Admission is free and I guess I was expecting a jumble of cars in an old warehouse or something. But this place is very nice and presents the cars (and bicycles and motorcycles) in displays that reflect what was going on in their eras. In another area they have a selection of race cars from F1 to rally. It's a great way to spend an afternoon and you get to see a lot of beautiful countryside getting there. I had been swapping emails with a guy from the Rootes Archive Centre in Banbury (which is very near Coventry). They are only open by appointment and we couldn't make our schedule work out. I noticed on their website ( http://www.rootesarchivecentre.org/) that they have some Rootes branded merchandise for sale but they do not have any photos. They don't keep it at the Centre, so I wouldn't have been able to see it there. Has anyone ever purchased any of this merchandise? Do you have some photos you can share? Of course, Coventry is not far from Silverstone and they had the F1 race there that same day. So we got caught in that traffic on the way back to where I was staying. We saw a great variety of old cars on the highways that day. I don't know if the nice weather brought everybody out on the roads or if the Brits just like to drive their collectible cars to the F1 races. I also spent 1 day touring around London and I've never seen so many Ferraris, Astons, and assorted other fantastic cars on city streets before. Jaguars were as common as Hondas in my hometown. I need to get back over there and spend some more time. Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _____ No virus found in this message. 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Wouldn't you know, there's a small bit about Tiger, "...Britain's Rootes Group experienced financial troubles, but Chrysler allowed autos such as the V-8-powered Sunbeam Tiger to continue production. Chrysler/Plymouth dealers sold the Tiger during 1967; ..." Allowed? Anyone else see the humor in this. Did the Tiger community forget to send Chrysler thank you cards for their largess? I think so. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 11:07:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC16742EF3 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:07:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f180.google.com (mail-ie0-f180.google.com [209.85.223.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A124053A for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:03:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id f4so958309iea.25 for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:03:23 -0700 (PDT) h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :cc:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=rP+PQtBrlhzs+ofedHB6/141+Dg3RqyoznRO5RMzNpY=; b=r4ztjcu4GV2PO1FZrTk9QcSwNiCGPMjWcfElcyzVvtrvkNAe3aWCIkZtQW7LFytJsq eRFujQ3qJyfB/u9RRVimX6Lf5l44BEbf0iyo0+I7jjdZloCnMOuPeNMyOiIwCc0dhH2t DHq/+NE6bYKoEytm1Qt/iRTgYCWmNlQ+9Wz8nSzV0QcoKZEBAVEST1INyr4O/uzWWQJ1 /WL9H9j0vYxSKiR6PHqPXAkvsaTHPlCn8+Y1/pZsy4nXVhR6qt1rL2q7TUAJaqSqsWAY 9R9djIxu+staBOq/9drlzpkAj2H21TUzQMC4cQJGbMHIHQ7W3SIbYhlMDhRo4WMuY98C EqXA== fq8mr1012578icc.101.1372871003079; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.187 (bda-74-82-80-176.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id nr4sm3898033igb.0.2013.07.03.10.03.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:03:22 -0700 (PDT) References: <002c01ce7fda$4f6fd410$ee4f7c30$@gmail.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com,"Joe Brown" From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 17:03:19 +0000 Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] England Trip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net We have been in Italy for two weeks. The car sightings have been pitiful. But then we are used to an awe fully nice garage and distorted So Cal experience. Interestingly, my sons couldn't wait to get here to see all the cars with "European" ride height, performance mods, etc. We haven't seen anything. Not even an M BMW or an AMG Mercedes. Maybe two Porsches. But nothing special. One Ferrari in a beach town. A few older Fiat 500s. But with the bad condition on the roads and the craziness of the drivers - who seem to be genetically blind to lane lines, and the parking by braille method, I can see why no one would bother with anything but a mini-marshmallow bumper car! And let's not even begin to talk about the swarms of mosquito buzzing scooters that fill any "available" gap between moving cars. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Owain Lloyd To: Joe Brown Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] England Trip The museum is indeed rather nice but of course you do need to brave Coventry to get there :) Classic cars are a not uncommon sight on the roads in the summer at weekends in England. As for the cars in west London, yes it's rather crazy. A lot of money there. I once saw 5 v12 lambos in a row that were unrelated to each other and a rolls Royce was the next car. Also due to the lack of parking, most people park their Porsche turbos and the like on the street. Wander around the residential streets of holland park or Notting hill and you see car after car parked on the street that is something really special. On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Joe Brown wrote: > Thanks to everyone that replied with suggestions about my trip. Because > our > schedule kept changing the only car related thing we go to do was visit the > Transport Museum in Coventry (http://www.transport-museum.com/). It > doesn't > really have anything about Rootes or Sunbeam but it is a great museum. > Admission is free and I guess I was expecting a jumble of cars in an old > warehouse or something. But this place is very nice and presents the cars > (and bicycles and motorcycles) in displays that reflect what was going on > in > their eras. In another area they have a selection of race cars from F1 to > rally. It's a great way to spend an afternoon and you get to see a lot of > beautiful countryside getting there. > > > > I had been swapping emails with a guy from the Rootes Archive Centre in > Banbury (which is very near Coventry). They are only open by appointment > and we couldn't make our schedule work out. I noticed on their website ( > http://www.rootesarchivecentre.org/) > that they have some Rootes branded merchandise for sale but they do not > have > any photos. They don't keep it at the Centre, so I wouldn't have been able > to see it there. Has anyone ever purchased any of this merchandise? Do > you > have some photos you can share? > > > > Of course, Coventry is not far from Silverstone and they had the F1 race > there that same day. So we got caught in that traffic on the way back to > where I was staying. We saw a great variety of old cars on the highways > that day. I don't know if the nice weather brought everybody out on the > roads or if the Brits just like to drive their collectible cars to the F1 > races. > > > > I also spent 1 day touring around London and I've never seen so many > Ferraris, Astons, and assorted other fantastic cars on city streets before. > Jaguars were as common as Hondas in my hometown. I need to get back over > there and spend some more time. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Brown > > Arlington, TX > > B382000217 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 11:22:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1E942EB1 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:22:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm44-vm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm44-vm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7982140421 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm44.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2013 17:22:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.220] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2013 17:22:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2013 17:22:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 97164 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2013 17:22:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372872126; bh=ZJHuuJ7XxUbYoEV1xOCjfqlUExrxt3cMt/qYazaK2CY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dstUv+JBZGeqPDksLfd1UB2+6tut6/SRrB//f4C4fzOsDfKFNlltfayy4CDhsOWR24GO42KlYBkUcE3q5ByLkfhE4bQdfeDNZN977x4lxS6eQAoi3pldJsjig7cOeRzabvFZAYHnhTg9uZNb7EVWjYkCPMptgVqM7N+qc6qVN8s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bti6aCQmaaDMJZNsnSYi5U6CAna8SIpFhalHpM2rE2x+g7K2sbWUYPbdWN4ijo+rFvyN891rdCAwcXFyC5XLxkbi7neAkoyuCRcxjuUmA3zNXVtmowQ+JHwgVZ5tTi1vqPo7mDAZ7mgk/OYt9YDaVmSXXHSzi4BDrATUE9dl0uY= ; ssjjkd8qXvEexGwa97zI_Qgi.BtM1N9NcOmlO5DZ_joQVyf8HSsoXYi9To4j Bg0XtjC0x6obmpYJY2i5hxfAto3ZxNnLFpDay3x9bKDNEDk59e8rN7onsnCB y0GzLQmgS.OOY0I1lBg.FMZw0oij191e.rE_xoHXlQwvc5etcMevF0XJsPBj nK.W6ftwahXGuEKNN7QXzRGvowZ2yx5kIP7UoLa.JORofnTki_xfkvsfju26 _8.HDXAYASUDmvfHLWDvRIuVi0ENgPuf3tywuoA48YeFCF9yhzTjnb.i4F5W YoMb0Zaq9qsCHKKaf_1cGafv0FVJ2_iXd0xJ_luLjpXmVItg_yERDjmDW22Y trwx_uog2rljZEyiNW6tQ1Nqd4t0J_s4DbBV8DzfImAtmjPw.4jWbPFoVzrp xZWXCCmaBSMivmn27p15JqgRbeOTrs1LBd4sE19NJ1batERmBp5lxrYJsayy HQe7ocHhGt0zDdmLdXTz9kYl9O9N4wAGFNMml5SlEDCAHdSB5my.mQmnH1X. BJE4o Received: from [98.110.172.183] by web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:22:06 PDT SSBsb3ZlIE93YWluJ3MgYWNjb3VudCBvZiBXZXN0IExvbmRvbiwgYmVjYXVzZSBpdCBwYXJhbGxlbHMgbXkgZXhwZXJpZW5jZSB0aGUgbGFzdCB0d28gdGltZXMgSSBzdGF5ZWQgaW4gdGhlIEtlbnNpbmd0b24tSGlnaCBTdHJlZXQgc2VjdGlvbi4gSXQgbG9va2VkIHByZXR0eSBtaWRkbGUgY2xhc3MgYXMgZmFyIGFzIGhvdXNpbmcsIHVudGlsIEkgc3RhcnRlZCBub3RpY2luZyB0aGUgY2FycyBwYXJrZWQgYXQgdGhlIGN1cmIuIE9uZSBvZiBmcmllbmRzIHRvbGQgbWUgdGhhdCBNYW5oYXR0YW4gaXMgdG8gV2UBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:22:06 -0700 (PDT) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] England trip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I love Owain's account of West London, because it parallels my experience the last two times I stayed in the Kensington-High Street section. It looked pretty middle class as far as housing, until I started noticing the cars parked at the curb. One of friends told me that Manhattan is to West London what Brooklyn is to Manhattan, and once you see it, Manhattan seems like not such a bad deal afterall. I find the odd thing is, that to stay in the area has been pretty reasonable if you're just there temporarily. Maybe I've mentioned this before, but when I visited the Transport Museum in Coventry, seeing the display of the bombing of Coventry during WWII was a real eye-opener, and you get a much more profound notion of what the major cities in the UK underwent during that war. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 11:52:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F8A42EB4 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net (txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF46042EA0 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:51:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Roscrea ([74.196.108.150]) by txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.01.08 201-2343-100-153-20121108) with ESMTP id <20130703174652.KFGB18913.txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net@Roscrea> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 12:46:52 -0500 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "Tiger Autox" References: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 12:49:51 -0500 Thread-Index: AQHTc7ujLCNiUoamZ7+mUiexBYBpjplJQzPw Content-Language: en-us cv=8HAqJifFC5chs1BDAP32/8F2CJbitqFd2jxjhl6FM10= c=1 sm=0 a=xzW3HwPJiLYA:10 a=VPHkNMUpP2kA:10 a=utF9oZl6I7-WJpGuNXoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=2BL6Ovqzf8UA:10 a=0ysafxnVX08A:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=1Y9UdFuW_fQIw5cKWmgA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=KP2aKRmPmZQnBZFC:21 a=NIlsv6UTx9IoV7_pYNYA:9 a=n3BslyFRqc0A:10 a=bhkaYMs-ANYA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Clutch Lessons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A friend of mine sent this to me, I thought some of you might get something out of it. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of Clutch Primer.pdf] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 11:53:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E319142F39 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:53:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D1842EA3 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:52:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id va7so497376obc.27 for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:52:57 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=b+Rd33fAwT1MpyNltZ7Uv5KzhdzL7iu4SfCDdFNW4jY=; b=kdRPxPUO5tL5tGihEkJwlCW22hX14dvsHnNO/eqzJjTqqiB3pwuYNhD+OFuDrubjzd VHkcuBP4pqVAVzuHcUj8IbakPssLGKK614JLw8X7uYtobzmcuZCREyLTcXfpXbUKj1vN YBnKhiEUM0dUyYs8qwbr+oqdNKqvEYvRgQcKqBY6IJxXsjPNevZuX7tSl4dLe/kJKoF1 fKZytvyosMUfH+8pXrzPFrEx7Jsg7+wNX1rDqg8uVn+f+xWm+aB6+JGwe/4BSdNPNPqr ppMiHTu7AF+tjnMTrsaixA0sX7ZqyJZYEQo8v83NqrTsMcSArCje7MCPJxFMYLpugOdZ ZRmw== ef9mr1797434oeb.68.1372873977071; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OFFICEPC (75-32-205-182.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net. [75.32.205.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x10sm12528591obw.13.2013.07.03.10.52.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:52:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe Brown" To: "'snakebit289'" , References: <1372872126.96975.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 12:43:29 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIaGrHlBQOh7sVFjM424sG9fGiGypjLqreQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] England trip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net You can get a really good idea of the impact of the German bombing by walking a couple of blocks from the museum to see the remains of a 14th century cathedral that was never rebuilt. Joe -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of snakebit289 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 12:22 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] England trip I love Owain's account of West London, because it parallels my experience the last two times I stayed in the Kensington-High Street section. It looked pretty middle class as far as housing, until I started noticing the cars parked at the curb. One of friends told me that Manhattan is to West London what Brooklyn is to Manhattan, and once you see it, Manhattan seems like not such a bad deal afterall. I find the odd thing is, that to stay in the area has been pretty reasonable if you're just there temporarily. Maybe I've mentioned this before, but when I visited the Transport Museum in Coventry, seeing the display of the bombing of Coventry during WWII was a real eye-opener, and you get a much more profound notion of what the major cities in the UK underwent during that war. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980@gmail.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6433 - Release Date: 06/23/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 13:14:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3173042FDA for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:14:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689A242C75 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:14:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04EEA1457 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 13:14:26 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Tiger Autox References: <001201ce7815$b82b87f0$288297d0$@suddenlink.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: Clutch Lessons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jerry Mo Christopherson wrote: > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of Clutch Primer.pdf] > No attachments on the list, you can post it in the Team.Net sunbeam forum. Link below. mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 14:01:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE4643060 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 14:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f178.google.com (mail-pd0-f178.google.com [209.85.192.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D702740539 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 14:00:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w11so401233pde.23 for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 13:00:55 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=6x5wrBGWrqQXPgSrNNMzV/j2ClLbfrbZBDQnXsHkKeo=; b=ZN7enT2njdLedKnc8h/PMJviN8Xm1okiON6XNBcKHX3+gSqfgL9rjcF0WwY4WbrxPK E8T/W0/wqFhrwd9L2nYvNTmRUYH/RovP5YdgMQ8CGsiZHdQ7VkhoMp/W/7HnpqF4MKnB RXidWELyZ+Gue3HIh4DyqInIN/oV4vWv8FTA4tMbzHLsd4J/K8lbr/6a3K9Y6lSNkaga Yv3OsRRNtXk40opbEfrTaVKr/jBZ4bMat4b32bJ5hmoMmw6KBuy4bvcIfDGADn/3Afbh TpU8vMbpFnR14H2vfXzpoc1WsSVzuC33FWFhFQQDU47WfzUOCDsQlqtRQ4bgEyXnHVYW A/Ew== Wed, 03 Jul 2013 13:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.136.106 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:00:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <1372872126.96975.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <004f01ce7ff0$7d411960$77c34c20$@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 16:00:55 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: Joe Brown Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] England trip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Or looking at the terrible things they built to replace the bombed city centre in places like Coventry! On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Joe Brown wrote: > You can get a really good idea of the impact of the German bombing by > walking a couple of blocks from the museum to see the remains of a 14th > century cathedral that was never rebuilt. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto: > tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ] > On Behalf Of snakebit289 > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 12:22 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] England trip > > I love Owain's account of West London, because it parallels my experience > the last two times I stayed in the Kensington-High Street section. It > looked > pretty middle class as far as housing, until I started noticing the cars > parked at the curb. One of friends told me that Manhattan is to West London > what Brooklyn is to Manhattan, and once you see it, Manhattan seems like > not > such a bad deal afterall. I find the odd thing is, that to stay in the area > has been pretty reasonable if you're just there temporarily. Maybe I've > mentioned this before, but when I visited the Transport Museum in Coventry, > seeing the display of the bombing of Coventry during WWII was a real > eye-opener, and you get a much more profound notion of what the major > cities > in the UK underwent during that war. > > Rande > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980@gmail.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6433 - Release Date: 06/23/13 > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 12:36:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE3A42AE1 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 12:36:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp451.redcondor.net (smtp451.redcondor.net [208.80.204.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BEB40572 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 12:36:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hargray.com ([64.203.254.40]) by smtp451.redcondor.net ({64f3d0f0-9a92-47a2-ba77-ce0798423d5d}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130704183559084; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 18:35:59 +0000 Received: from [199.241.210.102] (account geowiz@hargray.com HELO JamesPickardPC) by ispfe2.hargray.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.9) with ESMTPA id 90314683; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 14:35:54 -0400 From: "James Pickard" To: "'Joe Brown'" , References: <002c01ce7fda$4f6fd410$ee4f7c30$@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 14:35:40 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5/1+XUKkzxGeWiT5KlegTb4ghwygG8+mig Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] England Trip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The Transport Museum in Coventry must have changed considerably from when I visited in 1999. There was a whole row dedicated to Rootes. No Tigers, but they did have Rosemary Smith's rallye Alpine. It was home to the handwritten Jensen ledger with all the Tiger numbers. I couldn't see the book due to some recent damage to the records room and some accompanying asbestos exposure. But they did send me a letter with all the numbers for mine (B9473298). Jim Pickard Beaufort, SC -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Brown Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:05 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] England Trip Thanks to everyone that replied with suggestions about my trip. Because our schedule kept changing the only car related thing we go to do was visit the Transport Museum in Coventry (http://www.transport-museum.com/). It doesn't really have anything about Rootes or Sunbeam but it is a great museum. Admission is free and I guess I was expecting a jumble of cars in an old warehouse or something. But this place is very nice and presents the cars (and bicycles and motorcycles) in displays that reflect what was going on in their eras. In another area they have a selection of race cars from F1 to rally. It's a great way to spend an afternoon and you get to see a lot of beautiful countryside getting there. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 8 08:38:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A85240356 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 08:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3233640356 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 08:38:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4B5D07009AA2E for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 10:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-djb004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-djb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.69.77]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E2521E00008C for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 10:37:59 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net From: Tom Pappenhagen Received: from 69.242.116.74 by webmail-m205.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.225) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 10:37:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 10:37:59 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373294280; bh=B9xgaxGp9xDbLDr0bTX1pI4nB9t6yoqAzcuoV3gPciI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qOdaT7/x8QHMW4ZJon/tjBVenabREpsM3SK7N3aDI9JUbdM+ubzQ/VirbfgKFvIBx moD+skRILZEyCRipY4wEKMVeJlN4rBLOVC+46f2GlbC9Et5owkidW5ZfBpeEl/Hn1N 7ybNrmZYjB530tuR/E9PEaSYLC6mHkcHuWqDEbEY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e51dacec754a0 Subject: [Tigers] headlight bucket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm reassembling my Tiger after a 20 year hiatus. If I look at the old headlight buckets it appears that they were pop-rivited to the body, is this the case? I had to drill them out all those years ago, so it's possible the remains were once bolts, but they look more like rivits. Anyone have the answer and if they were rivits the size? TIA. ...tom B9473100 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 8 15:46:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A52240444 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 15:46:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43114003E for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 15:45:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xski1l0020lTkoCA4xllJG; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 21:45:45 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xxll1l00N2yr1eL8QxllcH; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 21:45:45 +0000 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 21:45:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Tom Pappenhagen s=q20121106; t=1373319945; bh=cJq0sFJNj+luyk3Dn7hsq4KuSdPYnh1N9Mqbm28Lbaw=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=XIYaKv5PWB4jVVB4g1m7Cy/c+k1vtbvV28bOZfKqjDFeYqNSpaqW3s04F4rVL5I30 liisyNYzR4WaFaDdSYvvZiUaCH/blEWAz7UZohkcxGrunpblIVnCK5uXGg2X69Zp94 cUEKUKt3duK39P7O9Wz60dbKno0bNyxrf6yPC1pyGG4LCYE5/ApzqZfIX/1UyocDwj MZWArK4Jdczz0t9OS6pT7mG3wn3dlI72Rdbw5iriAzhLL4AFLazW1nc/Jm/8BWO5PS AgVw+PyvuQ8S+MwWqMk1LC1RySQuwM5spc3Ga1d+gT6DIybjuYyNX7mAkXVL35Xwm3 unlkeFuuLmKOg== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] headlight bucket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net They WERE rivets. You can use screws/nuts when you put them back, that's what I did. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Pappenhagen To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 14:37:59 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] headlight bucket I'm reassembling my Tiger after a 20 year hiatus. If I look at the old headlight buckets it appears that they were pop-rivited to the body, is this the case? I had to drill them out all those years ago, so it's possible the remains were once bolts, but they look more like rivits. Anyone have the answer and if they were rivits the size? TIA. ...tom B9473100 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 9 13:26:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6FD40453 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:26:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f48.google.com (mail-vb0-f48.google.com [209.85.212.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30837403F3 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:24:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id w15so4680109vbf.21 for ; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 12:24:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FmFedP/Grg17DQNu6GWQQA/yo9avF61TpkxXswKpfvU=; b=pVYWwzfxZGSp2xL6XU1U+r9d2Uh6bpzCs+Kn69lywWlrSRMEPLzkTLc8QcQ4rZlGX/ dxd9eorzBEoNkYmWGnkZgrFR2Qt/mdpLBgr1P054BbuBpyuAqim4DY3qlugoPaFoVyDg +41K10esosg2au/di/4dhCim1ubz7TbbFkVh/NeuJyBoBLlJ1JQzqoBCU9MtM/3Q75S5 oU+gK019za5ZoVNnJ0FM3k3+HEFQJ0lgJY0MhBMN01w7OGfBQoiT8gsjecAU9o7HD/lN FwOTTCNFsIfc6blq9m0oJG9IMoYB8nRPIvQ8EgTto96n36H9qGQ9pxijCGiV1M/Xjdrg GTlw== ed7mr9552730vec.70.1373397848990; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 12:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.195.196 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:24:08 -0700 (PDT) References: <8D049FFE0C76984-1044-93A78@webmail-m205.sysops.aol.com> <538357055.954206.1373319945480.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:24:08 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Gary Winblad Cc: Tom Pappenhagen , Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] headlight bucket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net And use the rubber seals available from Curt or Rick. Not the flat piece of rubber from VB. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Gary Winblad wrote: > They WERE rivets. You can use screws/nuts when you put them back, > that's what I did. > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Pappenhagen > To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 14:37:59 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: [Tigers] headlight bucket I'm reassembling my Tiger after a 20 > year hiatus. If I look at the old headlight buckets it appears that they > were pop-rivited to the body, is this the case? I had to drill them out > all those years ago, so it's possible the remains were once bolts, but > they look more like rivits. Anyone have the answer and if they were > rivits the size? TIA. ...tom B9473100 > _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 9 14:49:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555084053C for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 14:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26715403F6 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 14:48:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TerriPC ([unknown] [71.109.102.9]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MPO004UOSGXLQ60@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 15:48:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kirk Smith" To: References: <8D049FFE0C76984-1044-93A78@webmail-m205.sysops.aol.com> <538357055.954206.1373319945480.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 13:48:28 -0700 Thread-index: Ac582jjrWWlLRbAYROa7y2WO1KdULQACkGuw Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] headlight bucket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In the very early 70's, my '67 MK1A was traveling at high speed on the 405 on the valley side of Mulholland Drive when my headlight rim decided to separate itself from the body at about 100 MPH...I looked in the rear view mirror just in time to see the headlight rim land in the slow lane in front of an 18 wheeler- which promptly ran it over several times. This headlight rim had a clip-type of fit to the body. The headlight rim I replaced it with (as well as the other side) turned into a screw-in affair after that incident. I believe many of the original headlight rims had the clip-type fit, but were probably reinforced with other methods! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:24 PM To: Gary Winblad Cc: Tom Pappenhagen; Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] headlight bucket And use the rubber seals available from Curt or Rick. Not the flat piece of rubber from VB. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Gary Winblad wrote: > They WERE rivets. You can use screws/nuts when you put them back, > that's what I did. > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Pappenhagen > > To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 14:37:59 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: [Tigers] headlight bucket I'm reassembling my Tiger after a 20 > year hiatus. If I look at the old headlight buckets it appears that > they were pop-rivited to the body, is this the case? I had to drill > them out all those years ago, so it's possible the remains were once > bolts, but they look more like rivits. Anyone have the answer and if they were > rivits the size? TIA. ...tom B9473100 > _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 9 15:14:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5658140532 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 15:14:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBEC4039F for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 15:10:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MPO00MHTTH4GAJ1@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 16:10:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <8D049FFE0C76984-1044-93A78@webmail-m205.sysops.aol.com> <538357055.954206.1373319945480.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <000001ce7ce5$ab23fae0$016bf0a0$@net> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 14:10:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] headlight bucket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >>> ... when my headlight rim decided to separate itself from the body at >>> about 100 MPH... - The headlight rim I replaced it with (as well as the >>> other side) turned into a screw-in affair after that incident.<<< Kirk, Surely I thought this was going to be a moral lesson on why one should not exceed the speed limit. But..., I guess not. :-) LOL Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 9 16:00:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5542D40543 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:00:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from db9outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (mail-db9lp0252.outbound.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.252]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017F0403BC for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 15:59:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail87-db9-R.bigfish.com (10.174.16.254) by DB9EHSOBE027.bigfish.com (10.174.14.90) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 21:59:53 +0000 Received: from mail87-db9 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail87-db9-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4AE1E00CC; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 21:59:53 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail87-db9: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail87-db9 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail87-db9 (MessageSwitch) id 137340719166220_353; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 21:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DB9EHSMHS019.bigfish.com (unknown [10.174.16.252]) by mail87-db9.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BBE410004C; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 21:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by DB9EHSMHS019.bigfish.com (10.174.14.29) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 21:59:50 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com (10.5.143.142) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.220) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:59:45 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.143.142]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:59:47 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Thomas Witt , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] headlight bucket Thread-Index: AQHOfOi2Qr0TNbp6r0S9po5zB5m8SJlc4/XA Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 21:59:46 +0000 References: <8D049FFE0C76984-1044-93A78@webmail-m205.sysops.aol.com> <538357055.954206.1373319945480.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <000001ce7ce5$ab23fae0$016bf0a0$@net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] headlight bucket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tom, Tigers are cats. They have no morals. Kirk's email doesn't really indicate whether or not he was driving, so his morals aren't in question either. All he said was he was traveling at a high rate of speed. I can commiserate with that... I get in the Tiger, turn the key, and then stuff happens, quite often involving prodigious acceleration if not speed, and I'm really just along for the ride. ;) Theo > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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Brian Glenn P.O. Box 578 Julian, CA 92036-0578 714.345.9883 B9471101LRXFE B9472615LRXFE B382000846LRXFE B382001212LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 11 22:57:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB65D40555 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:57:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173EC40358 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:53:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TerriPC ([unknown] [71.109.102.9]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MPT00JAO48PXN90@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 23:53:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kirk Smith" To: References: <1373603645.30578.YahooMailNeo@web164605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:53:03 -0700 Thread-index: Ac5+uQ88Xs7s0erHQvmaUYIJfxLEKwAAeMaQ Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wikipedia featured article of the day: The Sunbeam Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Certainly a lot of information culled from the many authors of Tiger books...I quickly perused the article; couldn't help but smile as I gazed upon the 'sledge hammer' story- also, I think I saw the top speed of the Le Mans Tigers quoted as 140mph...overall, a good effort. ----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brian Glenn Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:34 PM To: Tiger Forum Subject: [Tigers] Wikipedia featured article of the day: The Sunbeam Tiger Wikipedia featured article of the day: The Sunbeam Tiger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page IMHO Good solid article. Brian Glenn P.O. Box 578 Julian, CA 92036-0578 714.345.9883 B9471101LRXFE B9472615LRXFE B382000846LRXFE B382001212LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 11 23:36:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8964440557 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 23:36:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248BB40358 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 23:36:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MPT00C2D68OZWA1@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 00:36:24 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <1373603645.30578.YahooMailNeo@web164605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <000001ce7ebb$b209bd90$161d38b0$@net> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:36:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wikipedia featured article of the day: The Sunbeam Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In addition to Kirk's comment I saw these in the "Version" section: - "the left bank of spark plugs is only accessible through a hole in the bulkhead for instance, normally sealed with a rubber bung," Am I wrong to interrupt the "left bank" of sparkplugs (plural) as all four sparkplugs - which would be inaccurate. - "and the oil filter had to be relocated from the lower left on the block to a higher position on the right-hand side, behind the generator." I can't image a Tiger having the oil filter "behind" the generator. Too tired to keep going. Please correct me if I'm in error. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Smith" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wikipedia featured article of the day: The Sunbeam Tiger > Certainly a lot of information culled from the many authors of Tiger > books...I quickly perused the article; couldn't help but smile as I gazed > upon the 'sledge hammer' story- also, I think I saw the top speed of the > Le > Mans Tigers quoted as 140mph...overall, a good effort. > > > > > > ----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Brian Glenn > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:34 PM > To: Tiger Forum > Subject: [Tigers] Wikipedia featured article of the day: The Sunbeam Tiger > > Wikipedia featured article of the day: > The Sunbeam Tiger > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page > > IMHO Good solid article. > > Brian Glenn > P.O. 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I was just happy to see it highlighted. Just happened across it while doing a search. Great thing about Wikipedia, you can suggest edits! Brian Glenn B9471101LRXFE B9472615LRXFE B382000846LRXFE B382001212LRXFE ________________________________ From: Thomas Witt To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wikipedia featured article of the day: The Sunbeam Tiger In addition to Kirk's comment I saw these in the "Version" section: - "the left bank of spark plugs is only accessible through a hole in the bulkhead for instance, normally sealed with a rubber bung," Am I wrong to interrupt the "left bank" of sparkplugs (plural) as all four sparkplugs - which would be inaccurate. - "and the oil filter had to be relocated from the lower left on the block to a higher position on the right-hand side, behind the generator." I can't image a Tiger having the oil filter "behind" the generator. Too tired to keep going. Please correct me if I'm in error. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Smith" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wikipedia featured article of the day: The Sunbeam Tiger > Certainly a lot of information culled from the many authors of Tiger > books...I quickly perused the article; couldn't help but smile as I gazed > upon the 'sledge hammer' story- also, I think I saw the top speed of the > Le > Mans Tigers quoted as 140mph...overall, a good effort. > > > > > > ----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Brian Glenn > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:34 PM > To: Tiger Forum > Subject: [Tigers] Wikipedia featured article of the day: The Sunbeam Tiger > > Wikipedia featured article of the day: > The Sunbeam Tiger > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page > > IMHO Good solid article. > > Brian Glenn > P.O. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 12 08:24:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7F74055F for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 08:24:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f42.google.com (mail-pb0-f42.google.com [209.85.160.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2319240534 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 08:24:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id un1so9101371pbc.29 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 07:24:11 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4Rk/fesuAE5RB5GFb3yhX/knO0pDj02a6zkT9+wsXHk=; b=mxg/c7zErWQeDLYgY/I/BlBSkpCL6fpYmFa03SsDPXVC94hXHLvW2QFUixjcIvjzDV Aq9RSNnk8AagDwGoyVteX7ziQDh/9/UlLOYB1mqkhYqSXOxSxEOyMxP7mspB1hwgGk9E pNGZPd8pBRYjRImp970wBN5FILaGCPBfgvqVB3Sdfwbs+HjQ6ScfeinpUvuuPFe++uz1 7O4XC0cuomA5j0niboQYFJXFsi0rH99pL5L2DPKyhyBFgC7sy0Pyh2GR0fuuJ1TGVmSt 0ZaxIcMMuAkOPuXX9UAOiZy4NXn5Q0JbWiWB/OFD1MN9snM9VqNt9ITAmoprpnv4oBvC rZPw== cz14mr43820988pac.136.1373639051165; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 07:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.58.198 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 07:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 09:24:11 -0500 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] memoirs of a tiger hunter on barnfinds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net some good exposure here too, just came in on their mailer. http://www.barnfinds.com/memoirs-of-a-tiger-hunter/ cullen Alpine 260 1452 LROFE Tac 840 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 12 09:14:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3739E40562 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 09:14:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 487064053D for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 09:14:45 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1373642084; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=bhVfxPVsblwckkvZrTtwyCTr4HgR+iOiMPmJD+x3G+esoybsKiKTAOVXExYk1lxWF UTT8uAiAT3cJGKuA5L6IUpEDkVgjzQYgN+zgZ3d6JMEI7QZDlx8l5TYmD6oau9gpGg QJHOXZllXc7YZ/Vt41h4BEI9DeqTAAf9JTdtVHOo= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail14.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.154]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ8AHLDAJ7FTUS for (sender ); Fri, 12 Jul 2013 08:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.53.150.171] by webmail14.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 15:13:11 GMT From: "un-cole-a@juno.com" Full-Name: "un-cole-a@juno.com" Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 15:13:11 GMT To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Weekend in Toledo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Any Tiger owners in the Toledo, Ohio area, I will be in Toledo for a wedding this weekend and would love to see a Tiger.Mine is still in the restoration mode so it would be nice just to sit in one and take a smell. Thanks TimB9470149 ____________________________________________________________ 1 Odd spice that FIGHTS diabetes Can this unusual "super spice" control your blood sugar and fight diabetes? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/51e01d43920e21d4368efst02vuc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 13 09:49:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E907B4041E for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 09:49:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f42.google.com (mail-vb0-f42.google.com [209.85.212.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86B3403EB for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 08:44:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id i3so2250467vbh.1 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=J1kGcyE5lUXNjo/dh+al24il7aL5GCUnI29w9UodSdQ=; b=azzqSRTJNTjnPVHaBNStQ7wHExeJ5DgEyGQOKJQ+XRDYKqJlfCoP1Lh0xEKNEmpSzf Qm0oRKkIAr7oRMqrAePzU80EAldLSxUU5mXVzs+ygSOX2zC8EA8wLQHV/0yett/Xn0y5 TKWlnjZyK3rV2eWkB7g+hyYE53z9XQ56y1lDlWcFa4OT/LNw2jKIvMlAbT8aBkGjxSUE EWjuimz9mGtJSUbBO0ItRgJrHYIf3knvq8lhGEJvL8T/NxTIFxtxSXXZwJFrXXus4trg LbXfTnoEp6wa4fLmcUs/Pezdt/nqzqzawPiM9CSbdq3zJoIpRge+oy6YWS6ZdUq5fsYD u7gg== f10mr25652042vck.1.1373726641693; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.71.77 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.71.77 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 10:44:01 -0400 From: Chip Broadbooks To: LIST TIGER , Donald Long Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net No affiliation, but at first glance, it looks OK. Dual badges on the boot is wrong. I looked at the registry and it does appear to have been TAC'ed Craigslist: http://treasure.craigslist.org/cto/3908366062.html And this is his photo bucket site: http://s1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg538/thesteeringwheel/Sunbeam%20Tiger/?a ction=view(t=P1370321_zps92b46244.jpg&evt=user_media_share _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 13 14:14:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B60D4043C for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 14:14:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4C2403CF for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 14:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6DKD0MF022923 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:13:00 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b1aa) id sj1-dm103.5192ebfe.754fac for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:12:52 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:12:42 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6ABVQoVKXPQerdQDyAB+mYBZW0ww== engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-13_07:2013-07-12,2013-07-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307130229 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I've been looking into why the distributor vacuum line only has a Rootes part number. Rootes either modified the Ford part or they made them in England; I'm just curious which is true. I've had a couple of replies that the Original vacuum line is 25" long and I would like to have more to confirm this. I hope there are more original vacuum lines out there - I would like to hear from those who do. The length of the line would be nice and/ or some pictures. Thanks for the help Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 14 08:30:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498FC406A1 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 08:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFFB40512 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 08:29:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 16so24645304iea.3 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 07:29:50 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index; bh=x5NnP2jynbpozGY4sYh2UIzlcXjrRgM0hAOCEXWWAM0=; b=gysW/ghiRsiB0PUGbf4h3qrH8kTVn5YyuE5HDQfk9DvLpuwFpthU0yVXyud35S3us4 SpWUUS0W4clPdeXyY4wZ4q3BgZOk5MK+8epDdRLd2PtsTLHfXOYmOz8pVbpQKeUkKlPl l+Mc+PLoY2qBEN0ETw6vWjmu+WqABkw3UEqklRTWYnHYmHSZuVCXgqggHbyX9Fhffy6b Y191u4KEslXWvtL3sB+lDz5Q2yNcDLDTXhLPuFBa5GXDpm5vu8S/ttSVdC9nQERG+qqT Q+j9Q+AKz919N8xZFJd7xmGI3Wk9LAV1otj7GmQCPlQknhIm/kT/pCwpgIQaAhMyGOOm CN1w== eg1mr16624785icb.62.1373812189865; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 07:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from delld630 ([75.10.138.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id kj5sm11987613igb.7.2013.07.14.07.29.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 14 Jul 2013 07:29:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark Rense" To: , References: <9B7BC6772A914D86B70450955DEF30DD@ronpc1> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:29:27 -0400 Thread-index: Ac6ABVQoVKXPQerdQDyAB+mYBZW0wwAlymog Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ron, I analyzed the original vacuum line off B382001465 by applying complex String Field Theory. In other words, I ran a string from one end to the other while standing out in my field. The line is still attached to the original carb. The results were 24 3/4 inches in length. I have attached pictures but the list will not see them. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 4:13 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line I've been looking into why the distributor vacuum line only has a Rootes part number. Rootes either modified the Ford part or they made them in England; I'm just curious which is true. I've had a couple of replies that the Original vacuum line is 25" long and I would like to have more to confirm this. I hope there are more original vacuum lines out there - I would like to hear from those who do. The length of the line would be nice and/ or some pictures. Thanks for the help Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark44124@gmail.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Stock Vacuum Line2.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Stock Vacuum Line1.jpg] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 14 09:07:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2DD40E67 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907DE403F0 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:06:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6EF34Yn002828; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 08:06:44 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018957b) id dm0213.5192ebd3.75b705; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 08:06:37 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Mark Rense'" , Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 11:06:28 -0400 Thread-index: Ac6ABVQoVKXPQerdQDyAB+mYBZW0wwAlymogAAG8fSA= engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-14_04:2013-07-12,2013-07-14,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307140137 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mark I like your Complex String Field Theory. Thank you for the pictures. Ron -----Original Message----- From: Mark Rense [mailto:mark44124@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 10:29 AM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Ron, I analyzed the original vacuum line off B382001465 by applying complex String Field Theory. In other words, I ran a string from one end to the other while standing out in my field. The line is still attached to the original carb. The results were 24 3/4 inches in length. I have attached pictures but the list will not see them. Bugz - _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 14 09:29:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A8640E02 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:29:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CD8403F0 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:28:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9EA36700000B6 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 11:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqa001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.211.193]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7059FE000085 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 11:28:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 11:28:21 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373815701; bh=5XlujWixY7yWlL6zUYJe9F9UZJ1/tFqKnyF9e9UEj1Q=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GkUyvRvOVrS2W5lX5wkSEcjeMJWIfusH0U+LXsO9Ov0AntZplg42hAyAEGcBIIDpB w0XD83FFY0IRm4Gs5qVK8ebfuUzNxF+eM+tbbw3doimW5mdoYagHS53yMXPQ7MiplD xmGihWz9QWBs0/Q7mgiOwxRTjVD6UUcMqyX9/EeU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b51e2c3955623 Subject: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello all, I've been trying to buy some Castrol GT LMA. I even, as suggested, called SS. Richard said that they changed the product identity and Castrol no longer calls or labels it GT LMA but just Castrol Brake Fluid DOT 4 (synthetic). I had gone to the Castrol site on the web and there is no mention of GT LMA, only of the new name (above) There are some guys on EBAY claiming to sell GT LMA. Clear pictures denote it as such. Anybody know the real story? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 14 14:05:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142D940E02 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:05:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2FD40535 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:01:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TerriPC ([unknown] [71.109.102.9]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MPX00FP8ZM2X830@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:01:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kirk Smith" To: References: <64641.334e8189.3f141d95@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:00:59 -0700 Thread-index: Ac6Apul0hAFmsVusRlWRJcUV+wsgbgAJRBiA Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, Some of the online pictures might be old. The new Castrol Brake Fluid DOT 4 has a higher boiling point than the old Castrol GT LMA, and I think they wanted to differentiate it from the old stuff, so they changed the name. I ordered the new stuff, and, although not in the title, the description on the back of the container states it is Low Moisture Absorption. So, basically the same, just a higher boiling point. Kirk B382000503 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 8:28 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Hello all, I've been trying to buy some Castrol GT LMA. I even, as suggested, called SS. Richard said that they changed the product identity and Castrol no longer calls or labels it GT LMA but just Castrol Brake Fluid DOT 4 (synthetic). I had gone to the Castrol site on the web and there is no mention of GT LMA, only of the new name (above) There are some guys on EBAY claiming to sell GT LMA. Clear pictures denote it as such. Anybody know the real story? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 11:20:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17D840539 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A97840046 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:19:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6FHI6iW027929 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:19:21 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9f1d) id sj1-dm103.5192ebfe.7940a4 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:19:21 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:19:18 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <9B7BC6772A914D86B70450955DEF30DD@ronpc1> engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-15_04:2013-07-15,2013-07-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307150149 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The dizzy vacuum line on my MKI is original so I will remove it and measure. Now, as to PN where on the line is that located? While I wont use advanced string theory to measure it, I will use proper technique to do so: string will be laid on the center line of the tube so that the bends do not come into play. I wll even take a museum quality photo and forward it to each and all who would like to see it. Why, I don't know, lol... mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 7/13/2013 1:12 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > I've been looking into why the distributor vacuum line only has a Rootes > part number. > > Rootes either modified the Ford part or they made them in England; I'm just > curious which is true. > > I've had a couple of replies that the Original vacuum line is 25" long and I > would like to have more to confirm this. > > I hope there are more original vacuum lines out there - I would like to hear > from those who do. > > The length of the line would be nice and/ or some pictures. > > Thanks for the help > > Ron Fraser > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 12:16:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBAD40562 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:16:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FCC4003E for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:16:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id lf11so9541020vcb.12 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:16:44 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xmtRQQrFTdsGcBQVRUiUlhN6KHv1vvnpa4VAWFY5b3Q=; b=NTfPRQmnIoNxbrXR+f1v8Jc9rON9LnTOxBeFWgwq1LG1+Rs/Ne6fGoL2Lf5Q0N3mXV Qn2AknGPis1DN4m0AkwAl52f3SWmAMBP9GH2ZFx9J843otcUVQ2D7ycktr3VmiBmr3TK eXvYOWD/FGox6blL/Z1xdv/lYmA5eNCsoD7Lmhq0odEm6ZsqjEfuWK8Q/My0u52CdcXx SBIi4F6GZuj6yJSxLMstTUGBjAwudRjp5Og9sp67N5oUVjXUL2Qerk6VvpInruUqdpX2 RGz0HSDcHQmJG8sQmIh0tNQRP2fcaslyAuz08wgZYibCCDPg91oKEZ8p9gklWWhYIYov oNvQ== cp16mr23551653vdb.80.1373912204275; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.195.196 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:16:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <64641.334e8189.3f141d95@aol.com> <000001ce80cc$dc7b60c0$95722240$@net> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:16:44 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Kirk Smith Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I found a Castrol distributor in Irvine. They ship it for a decent price. This was a few months ago, and I ended up getting it from Rick at that point. Here is their number: (714) 637-1531. On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Kirk Smith wrote: > Jim, > > Some of the online pictures might be old. The new Castrol Brake Fluid DOT > 4 > has a higher boiling point than the old Castrol GT LMA, and I think they > wanted to differentiate it from the old stuff, so they changed the name. I > ordered the new stuff, and, although not in the title, the description on > the back of the container states it is Low Moisture Absorption. So, > basically the same, just a higher boiling point. > > Kirk > B382000503 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 8:28 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid > > Hello all, > > I've been trying to buy some Castrol GT LMA. I even, as suggested, called > SS. Richard said that they changed the product identity and Castrol no > longer calls or labels it GT LMA but just Castrol Brake Fluid DOT 4 > (synthetic). > > I had gone to the Castrol site on the web and there is no mention of GT > LMA, > only of the new name (above) > > There are some guys on EBAY claiming to sell GT LMA. Clear pictures denote > it as such. > > Anybody know the real story? > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers@verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 13:21:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90CDC40536 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:21:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7114041C for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:21:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 81DFC700C2E88 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqd005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqd005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.17]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E486EE00008B for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:21:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:21:48 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373916109; bh=IOjMtQ/S6+hCn+8gTvxteGvqDTH81MWNqTlgNdZaO80=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UiBKtURvqyrsxwtDpR63jtRyKRdM9RDzhU75YbtKNL1ePDt3mtF/gTbL86l86jPBk Dyq1l9TfknBpKrxp04tKFxVNjjCUQBtNqA9icUk3onlOO8ww8+axNjSPGrDboQrKJ5 Bk60EEtsvJsEBjw7KSRflU1zzKEyEUKkgHyHbTZQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b51e44bcc7398 Subject: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, Thank you Kirk for getting to the bottom of it. And thanks for telling us. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:00:59 -0700 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Jim, Some of the online pictures might be old. The new Castrol Brake Fluid DOT 4 has a higher boiling point than the old Castrol GT LMA, and I think they wanted to differentiate it from the old stuff, so they changed the name. I ordered the new stuff, and, although not in the title, the description on the back of the container states it is Low Moisture Absorption. So, basically the same, just a higher boiling point. Kirk B382000503 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 13:58:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D8D40539 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:58:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590724041C for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:58:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0h2o1m0040x6nqcAEjyhs7; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:58:41 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0jyh1m00A2xZMJ48YjyhNn; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:58:41 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:58:41 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Rollright@aol.com s=q20121106; t=1373918321; bh=Bt45/3UZNfS+hRoboetxLTtQf0xFG5N9NxI+Oh74p8Q=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=a/82EAWhyDMgoluKnBVRG1NZw0b6njPCe7+WsWMARUks/iuVL3BaQ2mRbL+G4HZuj Lx++3Q0/AROtbrvCtExr2a0P+2aw8QQRZ1Ch7uh2k836bdFJTMBjl9ylAJpeTExQpY 9f6KK6xMp7Ax7hYy4N9YjG18tMsgC7uqa8YpUhQdG+PgnXUNESqRzQ8ef1EJM6vtJ4 VzMYv52pMjSvqwZEVnrgEHOsT7EIIMq9uGcKNLtX9DpSc8XLBGFrf59wJkQpgCs36o /4VSNGAaGIrW/Ip3LUkzf/qVmHC2mnwZDPslhCBQ73tKn3hcukDtx7F4kEhJwX+z7/ ZveINrPy4MVfw== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It sounds like most have forgotten that GT LMA was the new fangled stuff that we had to use when the original correct Castrol "Amber" fluid was gone.. If this old codger remembers correctly... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:21:48 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Hello, Thank you Kirk for getting to the bottom of it. And thanks for telling us. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:00:59 -0700 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Message-ID: <000001ce80cc$dc7b60c0$95722240$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Jim, Some of the online pictures might be old. The new Castrol Brake Fluid DOT 4 has a higher boiling point than the old Castrol GT LMA, and I think they wanted to differentiate it from the old stuff, so they changed the name. I ordered the new stuff, and, although not in the title, the description on the back of the container states it is Low Moisture Absorption. So, basically the same, just a higher boiling point. Kirk B382000503 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 14:06:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C9540540 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:06:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3DF4041C for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:06:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004960.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6FK3tVD002746 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:07:38 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189188) id sj1-dm103.5192ebfe.7aa036; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:06:18 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:06:06 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6Bf4YKUa6Db0zvT/Om02mCH0ctWAAFlwIg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-15_05:2013-07-15,2013-07-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307150188 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mayf There is no PN physically marked on the line. My curiosity got the best of me when I noticed there is only a Rootes part number listed in the Parts List for the vacuum line. I always thought it was a stock Ford part but since there is no a Ford part number associated with this part I began to wonder. Thank you for helping with you vacuum line. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 1:19 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line The dizzy vacuum line on my MKI is original so I will remove it and measure. Now, as to PN where on the line is that located? While I wont use advanced string theory to measure it, I will use proper technique to do so: string will be laid on the center line of the tube so that the bends do not come into play. I wll even take a museum quality photo and forward it to each and all who would like to see it. Why, I don't know, lol... mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 7/13/2013 1:12 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > I've been looking into why the distributor vacuum line only has a > Rootes part number. > > Rootes either modified the Ford part or they made them in England; I'm > just curious which is true. > > I've had a couple of replies that the Original vacuum line is 25" long > and I would like to have more to confirm this. > > I hope there are more original vacuum lines out there - I would like > to hear from those who do. > > The length of the line would be nice and/ or some pictures. > > Thanks for the help > > Ron Fraser > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6492 - Release Date: 07/15/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 14:13:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA06940539 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117934041C for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:12:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 213EC700B4C35; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqd005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqd005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.17]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CAE8AE00008B; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:12:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:12:53 -0400 (EDT) To: garywinblad@comcast.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373919174; bh=WV1Ex+eImlgDL3tWflDT7rJo8PbwQ3W/9vJFlf1GoDo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QNT6kYjt2+bReLM74WXr8ZKB+2ZSJNMw2L/k6ic/7JBDehHaaSUeZsIyEerZmQkYo RJ/7mZZrHMO7r6jpbsToj9aBhwmitvXfbRX55XHXsweicIhzmBcIJcMw+JLhIkPjOd fePUXxizf26d2aNvzgn4hYf6ylRXEITbDPKKt5sI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d51e457c519c8 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That's cool Gary. I'm 65, had my Tiger since 1976 and never heard of "Amber" jim In a message dated 7/15/2013 3:58:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, garywinblad@comcast.net writes: It sounds like most have forgotten that GT LMA was the new fangled stuff that we had to use when the original correct Castrol "Amber" fluid was gone.. If this old codger remembers correctly... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:21:48 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Hello, Thank you Kirk for getting to the bottom of it. And thanks for telling us. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:00:59 -0700 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Message-ID: <000001ce80cc$dc7b60c0$95722240$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Jim, Some of the online pictures might be old. The new Castrol Brake Fluid DOT 4 has a higher boiling point than the old Castrol GT LMA, and I think they wanted to differentiate it from the old stuff, so they changed the name. I ordered the new stuff, and, although not in the title, the description on the back of the container states it is Low Moisture Absorption. So, basically the same, just a higher boiling point. Kirk B382000503 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 14:59:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156FC40566 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:59:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA5840523 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:59:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0jbt1m0011GXsuc01kz9S2; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:59:09 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0kz91m00Q2yr1eL8Ukz9F9; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:59:09 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:59:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Rollright@aol.com s=q20121106; t=1373921949; bh=kUw0OUeMb2/RwJ7etxmI2TNB3AuJumlLKdK9xndJ57w=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=m1dCwZQXu2yu9fZQ0l3qmzCdyXi/T4EVhxRlrPLV/FpNRQJHI6qf1i1GfB+N6vxlz Mw9h7O9rlSJotcRCXAGc9A6B2t+v3TkszV3mMqkSmp9aSastAwnBYdgGiHgHMJdHLi 6ZbuPIOhdYbSytWWHuqggOPnqAtEDPkZgK0Q601J3+o4nURpElQW9YrkEda6peUi1H DdLJ400B+/1fbq8z4SamoCB/F3bmJ4BVK+z9Q68Z8Zkym0Cm6WxrNcXwsCHGSLyLHX RwbrIfHoCv6NL2whv0CWqFQWsAYZmjAX5GeSsNcWphNecQni2EV3BkHzGmoe+WLDJT BZbuZ9oNS8q/Q== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Shop manual Section P. I'm "only" 62 but had my Tiger and first brake fluid problem in 1971. My Tiger was my college car.. well, its still MY car ;-) Other cars and wives come and go but still have THAT Tiger.. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Rollright@aol.com To: garywinblad@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:12:53 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid That's cool Gary. I'm 65, had my Tiger since 1976 and never heard of "Amber" jim In a message dated 7/15/2013 3:58:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, garywinblad@comcast.net writes: It sounds like most have forgotten that GT LMA was the new fangled stuff that we had to use when the original correct Castrol "Amber" fluid was gone.. If this old codger remembers correctly... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:21:48 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Hello, Thank you Kirk for getting to the bottom of it. And thanks for telling us. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:00:59 -0700 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Message-ID: <000001ce80cc$dc7b60c0$95722240$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Jim, Some of the online pictures might be old. The new Castrol Brake Fluid DOT 4 has a higher boiling point than the old Castrol GT LMA, and I think they wanted to differentiate it from the old stuff, so they changed the name. I ordered the new stuff, and, although not in the title, the description on the back of the container states it is Low Moisture Absorption. So, basically the same, just a higher boiling point. Kirk B382000503 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 15:04:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D1D40560 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:04:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1441140523 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:02:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail90-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.246) by CH1EHSOBE012.bigfish.com (10.43.70.62) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:02:56 +0000 Received: from mail90-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail90-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36333C0049; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:02:56 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail90-ch1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail90-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail90-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1373922173922439_16539; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS013.bigfish.com (snatpool1.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.240]) by mail90-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCAA260049; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CH1EHSMHS013.bigfish.com (10.43.70.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:02:53 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com (10.5.4.104) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:03:02 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by OLAWPA-EXHT04.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.4.104]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:02:51 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Rollright@aol.com" , "garywinblad@comcast.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Thread-Index: AQHOgZevj0Ko7lAr6UytdEHfQSdG2JlmOdAg Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:02:51 +0000 References: <3b50a.102fe104.3f15b1c5@aol.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'd never heard of it either, but Google can find everything... http://www.importautoberdoo.com/Brake.html Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com > Sent: July 15, 2013 2:13 PM > To: garywinblad@comcast.net > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid > > That's cool Gary. I'm 65, had my Tiger since 1976 and never heard of > "Amber" > > jim > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 15:05:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8002406AD for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:05:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24ADF40523 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:03:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0F953700B5AE9; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqd005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqd005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.17]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C3F45E000087; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:03:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:03:35 -0400 (EDT) To: garywinblad@comcast.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373922216; bh=6j78G+vXOIJJa7mYQpBs+CjiCdJW3xaoo+X+xeE7e1A=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aHARFoBQdoLjOI2yAtpN46cmPnVWIUJ+UvFe4/IlsDvOXSYGfUhf2+Q0XCTZmjWkf xja8UCw2UNUBcL86RHjeDpjag9pG7bL2lCT0fCW1n5VCxRaCvPkNcY/OQMOsjd//tN oABtI53UOur9KAqauAD1A4C+nrP/ldg6+cFDtCeQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290851e463a704df Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Shows you know what's important! Jim Armstrong In a message dated 7/15/2013 4:59:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, garywinblad@comcast.net writes: Shop manual Section P. I'm "only" 62 but had my Tiger and first brake fluid problem in 1971. My Tiger was my college car.. well, its still MY car ;-) Other cars and wives come and go but still have THAT Tiger.. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Rollright@aol.com To: garywinblad@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:12:53 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid That's cool Gary. I'm 65, had my Tiger since 1976 and never heard of "Amber" jim In a message dated 7/15/2013 3:58:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, garywinblad@comcast.net writes: It sounds like most have forgotten that GT LMA was the new fangled stuff that we had to use when the original correct Castrol "Amber" fluid was gone.. If this old codger remembers correctly... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:21:48 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Hello, Thank you Kirk for getting to the bottom of it. And thanks for telling us. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:00:59 -0700 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Message-ID: <000001ce80cc$dc7b60c0$95722240$@net> text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Jim, Some of the online pictures might be old. The new Castrol Brake Fluid DOT 4 has a higher boiling point than the old Castrol GT LMA, and I think they wanted to differentiate it from the old stuff, so they changed the name. I ordered the new stuff, and, although not in the title, the description on the back of the container states it is Low Moisture Absorption. So, basically the same, just a higher boiling point. Kirk B382000503 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 15:22:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682B940567 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:22:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9357940425 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:21:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id id13so9732336vcb.13 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:21:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=XbS3FLkXmHRxoarq/VwGN75i8PYEeog3iq0GA6R6/7s=; b=HHp0pNxJfDHHq2V80jHDsJVTzukiuX+L1Mffb1AnOMd9xmBy1/zvB579TxJUgYQ4Ki dCpYN3PToPgfQw/nw30wx6xMP+JW1YzKLXAedUO9OYM83MyImsCybwkYWCpcEZOzGOqQ 5h/JFa3htPpdmGxR1WF7YwPvt9+ba2ky2TMQcbQbzmYxw5vWTrVf/GaqIe7znu9iObHw 89hqtxfijW2nL0FlvFiTUMxpzSBZ+hGonmUrGNzayPSZZVKU/EuGjWIU8d/gURMGcYYq JCmcOuJ41B4G6bvmvqCZPz0K2UyK6YZ+zPLHuVxZ98bh6CR/EA8QJiqk0qGJOJwEgfEl +Y6A== wu2mr29181930vec.74.1373923308386; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.37.67 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:21:48 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:21:48 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: "Rollright@aol.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I only ever use one of two fluids in everything. When on a budget and for road cars ate super blue (cheap, good high boiling point, comes in two colours which makes changes a breeze). Otherwise castrol react (srf) which has a stratospheric boiling point. Any reason I should consider any other fluids? On Monday, July 15, 2013, wrote: > Shows you know what's important! > > Jim Armstrong > > > In a message dated 7/15/2013 4:59:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > garywinblad@comcast.net writes: > > Shop manual Section P. > I'm "only" 62 but had my Tiger and first brake fluid problem in 1971. > My Tiger was my college car.. well, its still MY car ;-) > Other cars and wives come and go but still have THAT Tiger.. > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rollright@aol.com > To: garywinblad@comcast.net > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:12:53 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid > > > > > > > That's cool Gary. I'm 65, had my Tiger since 1976 and never heard of > "Amber" > > > > jim > > > > > In a message dated 7/15/2013 3:58:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > garywinblad@comcast.net writes: > > > It > sounds like most have forgotten that GT LMA was the new fangled stuff > that > we had to use when the original correct Castrol "Amber" fluid was gone.. > > If this old codger remembers > correctly... > > Gary > > ----- Original Message > ----- From: Rollright@aol.com To: > tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:21:48 > -0000 > (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Castrol brake > fluid Hello, Thank you Kirk for > getting to the bottom of it. And thanks for > telling us. Jim Armstrong Mk > 1A > 382002083 LRXFE Message: > 1 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:00:59 -0700 From: > "Kirk Smith" > To: Subject: > Re: [Tigers] Castrol > brake fluid Message-ID: <000001ce80cc$dc7b60c0$95722240$@net> > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Jim, Some > of the online pictures might be old. The new Castrol > Brake Fluid DOT 4 has a higher boiling point > than the old Castrol GT LMA, and I think they wanted to > differentiate it from the old stuff, so they changed the > name. I ordered the new stuff, and, although > not in the title, the description on the back of the > container states it is Low Moisture > Absorption. So, basically the same, just > a higher > boiling point. Kirk B382000503 > _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 16:47:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF76940511 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:47:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09C140405 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:46:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6FMkBR1002712 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:46:52 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9f1d) id dm0219.5192ebc4.72755e for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:46:52 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:46:48 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <9B7BC6772A914D86B70450955DEF30DD@ronpc1> <51E42F16.1050208@mayfco.com> engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-15_06:2013-07-15,2013-07-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307150226 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well, dang, my vacuum line is not original or even stock. Has been a long time since I doodled with it though so forgive me.... Somewhere in swapping engines returning to stoick swapping yet again etc, it went awry. Oh, well... mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 7/15/2013 10:19 AM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > The dizzy vacuum line on my MKI is original so I will remove it and > measure. Now, as to PN where on the line is that located? While I > wont use advanced string theory to measure it, I will use proper > technique to do so: string will be laid on the center line of the tube > so that the bends do not come into play. I wll even take a museum > quality photo and forward it to each and all who would like to see > it. Why, I don't know, lol... > > mayf > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > > On 7/13/2013 1:12 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: >> I've been looking into why the distributor vacuum line only has a Rootes >> part number. >> >> Rootes either modified the Ford part or they made them in England; >> I'm just >> curious which is true. >> >> I've had a couple of replies that the Original vacuum line is 25" >> long and I >> would like to have more to confirm this. >> >> I hope there are more original vacuum lines out there - I would like >> to hear >> from those who do. >> >> The length of the line would be nice and/ or some pictures. >> >> Thanks for the help >> >> Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 16:51:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58AB40554 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:51:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76A940405 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004959.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6FMmde4012504 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:50:46 -0700 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9f1d) id dm0225.5192ebb2.78e453 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:49:38 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:49:34 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-15_06:2013-07-15,2013-07-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307150228 Subject: [Tigers] Info Please... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Is there one among you who has his SBF motor apart to where the rear crank flange can be measured for thickness? This would be in essence how long the threads are for the flywheel or flex plate bolts... While I have a number of cranks and short blocks laying about none are readily available to measure. rough measurement is fine. Many thanks in advance mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 17:53:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A244055D for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1349640439 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Cobra (173-228-106-127.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.106.127]) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with SMTP id r6FNnuOQ009078; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:49:57 -0700 From: "csx2282" To: "tigers" Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:49:50 -0700 Cc: Rollright@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I dunno gary, I guess you are an old coger because that was Catrol Girling Brake and Clutch Fluid "Crimson"! Probably you just got it confused with your beer. Roland ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:58:41 +0000 (UTC) > From: Gary Winblad > To: Rollright@aol.com > > > > It sounds like most have forgotten that GT LMA was the new fangled stuff > that we had to use when the original correct Castrol "Amber" fluid was > gone.. > If this old codger remembers correctly... > > Gary _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 18:18:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F694052A for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:18:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D3740440 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:17:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004960.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6G0J8Zb032439 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:19:08 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622f) id dm0213.5192ebd3.78f7c1; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:17:35 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.149.83]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 00:17:26 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:17:21 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6BrdrFf4umVaWMRw65Yo0esLKl4QAC3dog engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-15_06:2013-07-15,2013-07-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307150252 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Info Please... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mayf Flange = .89" Parts list shows 7/16 x 1 1/16" bolt for flywheel Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 6:50 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Info Please... Is there one among you who has his SBF motor apart to where the rear crank flange can be measured for thickness? This would be in essence how long the threads are for the flywheel or flex plate bolts... While I have a number of cranks and short blocks laying about none are readily available to measure. rough measurement is fine. Many thanks in advance mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6492 - Release Date: 07/15/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 18:28:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF25440556 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C35340440 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:27:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6G0QNf6005479 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:27:54 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622f) id dm0219.5192ebc4.729a65; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:27:53 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.149.83]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 00:27:44 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:27:41 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6BrlYmJKRZCUJBR6G0Drf0s2vUNwADOMWA engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-15_06:2013-07-15,2013-07-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307150254 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mayf Thank you for checking Thanks Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 6:47 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Well, dang, my vacuum line is not original or even stock. Has been a long time since I doodled with it though so forgive me.... Somewhere in swapping engines returning to stoick swapping yet again etc, it went awry. Oh, well... mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 7/15/2013 10:19 AM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > The dizzy vacuum line on my MKI is original so I will remove it and > measure. Now, as to PN where on the line is that located? While I > wont use advanced string theory to measure it, I will use proper > technique to do so: string will be laid on the center line of the tube > so that the bends do not come into play. I wll even take a museum > quality photo and forward it to each and all who would like to see > it. Why, I don't know, lol... > > mayf > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > > On 7/13/2013 1:12 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: >> I've been looking into why the distributor vacuum line only has a >> Rootes part number. >> >> Rootes either modified the Ford part or they made them in England; >> I'm just >> curious which is true. >> >> I've had a couple of replies that the Original vacuum line is 25" >> long and I >> would like to have more to confirm this. >> >> I hope there are more original vacuum lines out there - I would like >> to hear >> from those who do. >> >> The length of the line would be nice and/ or some pictures. >> >> Thanks for the help >> >> Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6492 - Release Date: 07/15/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 18:56:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36A340539 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:56:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E3940430 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:56:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0ogt1m0021eYJf8A8owEd9; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 00:56:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([24.7.186.110]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0owD1m0072PLPhC01owDpj; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 00:56:14 +0000 References: From: Gary Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:56:13 -0700 To: csx2282 s=q20121106; t=1373936174; bh=NuWn1cSkQA9LhZvNQsaqUazs1e+g8plG+IwHVKAGnN0=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=s5ERnlawayY2vRqXPvUqrAh73C29gabVzSHG7PZHr+GaCh19PwMqtPehftDZ/o9Oy 5nwo9pt1mJzrA172M9jJI1zDncCtXCHeKjaOEgc++/bJgR+F+1kF0cM1UnW5nmh9M7 s+pLYUYzf44qr0Q0vD0Ho+lS67D9Eb9agDPN+h1yD23qDzY3M4wMc0AJ3IxWPV0O4O MPtNpSpM7l8BzO+rQ5iui6Qb9E2G4u8xVlb87hTYPtcWu5tKkgVErqGpRo/N7xpjGp VgEj52geclX/ykRr03RH0qt+4eEuyQvDu7W9J+/FD1RiVTZ1sCTvO1xchceEi5KZcy nTkUHqUxtSUaA== Cc: "" , tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Roland, Yunno, that did occur to me. I was thinkin how smart it was for them to specify the correct beer pairing for a brake job. So I actually got out the shop manual again. Amazingly, I WAS correct, Amber goes in the master cylinders. Crimson only goes with a power servo job... says so in the manual! Theo googled it and it said crimson was correct for Rolls Royces... and I guess big buck Cobras. :). Its probably made out of vintage french wine.. we get the cheap beer version. Gary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2013, at 4:49 PM, "csx2282" wrote: > I dunno gary, I guess you are an old coger because that was Catrol Girling Brake and Clutch Fluid "Crimson"! Probably you just got it confused with your beer. > > Roland > > ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:58:41 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Gary Winblad >> To: Rollright@aol.com >> > > >> It sounds like most have forgotten that GT LMA was the new fangled stuff >> that we had to use when the original correct Castrol "Amber" fluid was gone.. >> If this old codger remembers correctly... >> >> Gary _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 07:25:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C6940046 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4AC44068D for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:24:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BC081700865E2 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 09:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqd005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqd005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.17]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 872DDE00008A for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 09:24:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 09:24:15 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373981055; bh=ptBnPQtcKtJDCnJic98/nRZ5qsnh3FG+P6pQEkSmis8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fVGJUaPxoHaJ6OxHUWNWcEoCU083/wuS7nbjmWrD1c9PPLbJr9rO3e959wkD0mJRJ gH0uMuAcVYa78+mO2zykBwvQrN4EdIT81wPt97GLpEB4ubpJ72gnu11ZwlguMoCBHf FNo/VQpMiL6oHhWRO23I0kSrIk/q38Aza4gLOvVQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e51e5497f474b Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Castrol brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ____________________________________ From: Rollright@aol.com To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com Sent: 7/16/2013 9:23:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Gosh Don't ask me. That's for the technical heavy hitters in the group! Jim Armstrong In a message dated 7/15/2013 5:21:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owain.lloyd@gmail.com writes: I only ever use one of two fluids in everything. When on a budget and for road cars ate super blue (cheap, good high boiling point, comes in two colours which makes changes a breeze). Otherwise castrol react (srf) which has a stratospheric boiling point. Any reason I should consider any other fluids? On Monday, July 15, 2013, wrote: Shows you know what's important! Jim Armstrong In a message dated 7/15/2013 4:59:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _garywinblad@comcast.net_ (javascript:;) writes: Shop manual Section P. I'm "only" 62 but had my Tiger and first brake fluid problem in 1971. My Tiger was my college car.. well, its still MY car ;-) Other cars and wives come and go but still have THAT Tiger.. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: _Rollright@aol.com_ (javascript:;) To: _garywinblad@comcast.net_ (javascript:;) Cc: _tigers@autox.team.net_ (javascript:;) Sent: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:12:53 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid That's cool Gary. I'm 65, had my Tiger since 1976 and never heard of "Amber" jim In a message dated 7/15/2013 3:58:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _garywinblad@comcast.net_ (javascript:;) writes: It sounds like most have forgotten that GT LMA was the new fangled stuff that we had to use when the original correct Castrol "Amber" fluid was gone.. If this old codger remembers correctly... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: _Rollright@aol.com_ (javascript:;) To: _tigers@autox.team.net_ (javascript:;) Sent: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:21:48 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Hello, Thank you Kirk for getting to the bottom of it. And thanks for telling us. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:00:59 -0700 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Message-ID: <000001ce80cc$dc7b60c0$95722240$@net> text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Jim, Some of the online pictures might be old. The new Castrol Brake Fluid DOT 4 has a higher boiling point than the old Castrol GT LMA, and I think they wanted to differentiate it from the old stuff, so they changed the name. I ordered the new stuff, and, although not in the title, the description on the back of the container states it is Low Moisture Absorption. So, basically the same, just a higher boiling point. Kirk B382000503 _______________________________________________ _tigers@autox.team.net_ (javascript:;) Donate: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ _tigers@autox.team.net_ (javascript:;) Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 12:17:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C704271D for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:17:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AAC4271A for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:13:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY177-DS16 ([65.54.190.124]) by bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:13:51 -0700 From: David or Gary Franchi To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:13:51 GMT FILETIME=[39753420:01CE8250] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I believe the reason there is no Ford part number shown in the Tiger parts book is Ford didn't service the vacuum line. The Ford parts book for 1960 to 1964 (link below) and the 1965 to 1972 both state "12226 TUBE-DISTRIBUTOR VACUUM-STEEL..NOT SERVICED-MAKE FROM 8C 2669-B" Since Ford didn't have a number, Rootes wouldn't either. I wonder if there are any of these left in inventory in England, I never tried to order one in the past. I don't believe an original Ford line and Tiger line would be different, the only interference problem I can see might be hood clearance. David Book Cover http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/24149527/407213409.jpg Page http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/24149527/407213410.jpg -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Fraser Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 1:12 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line I've been looking into why the distributor vacuum line only has a Rootes part number. Rootes either modified the Ford part or they made them in England; I'm just curious which is true. I've had a couple of replies that the Original vacuum line is 25" long and I would like to have more to confirm this. I hope there are more original vacuum lines out there - I would like to hear from those who do. The length of the line would be nice and/ or some pictures. Thanks for the help Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 12:32:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590F64271F for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:32:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149DF403EE for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Cobra (173-228-106-127.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.106.127]) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with SMTP id r6GIT7Sg013152; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:29:07 -0700 From: "csx2282" To: "Gary" References: <0B73CCBE-D9F8-422F-A9C2-C08CB519EF53@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:29:01 -0700 Cc: Rollright@aol.com, tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well, I certainly have no problem with British amber brews, as well as other variations, and French premium reds, and other variations. And I enjoy indulging either while flushing and/or bleeding my brakes or clutch fluids, but being an even older codger than Gary I do have to be cautious about not getting confused as to where all these different fluids are supposed to go. Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: "csx2282" Cc: "tigers" ; Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Castrol brake fluid > Hi Roland, > Yunno, that did occur to me. I was > thinkin how smart it was for them to > specify the correct beer pairing for a > brake job. So I actually got out the > shop manual again. Amazingly, I WAS > correct, Amber goes in the master > cylinders. Crimson only goes with a > power servo job... says so in the > manual! > Theo googled it and it said crimson > was correct for Rolls Royces... and I > guess big buck Cobras. :). Its probably > made out of vintage french wine.. > we get the cheap beer version. > Gary > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 15, 2013, at 4:49 PM, "csx2282" wrote: > >> I dunno gary, I guess you are an old coger because that was Catrol >> Girling Brake and Clutch Fluid "Crimson"! Probably you just got it >> confused with your beer. >> >> Roland >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:58:41 +0000 >> (UTC) >>> From: Gary Winblad >>> To: Rollright@aol.com >>> > > >>> It sounds like most have forgotten that GT LMA was the new fangled stuff >>> that we had to use when the original correct Castrol "Amber" fluid was >>> gone.. >>> If this old codger remembers correctly... >>> >>> Gary _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 14:37:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E144273D for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:37:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFEF940517 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:37:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6GKbW1f013201; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:37:32 -0700 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622f) id dm0224.5192ebb6.7c7dd0; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:37:15 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.176.194]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:37:06 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'David or Gary Franchi'" , Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 16:36:59 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6CUDlCAc8CyBdrQGKNXJ/RawblcQAD/DMg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-16_08:2013-07-16,2013-07-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307160182 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net David You maybe totally correct that there was no service part and that is why Rootes listed no Ford part number. As I have stated I was curious so I dug into this issue to see what I could find. There are 2 styles of this vacuum line; early style has a taller and narrow vertical loop, later style, made for the Mustang, has a shorter and wider vertical loop. The change in styles happened in 1964. I have pictures of both styles on Tiger engines. To me the pictures of the stock Ford line look different than the pictures of the stock Tiger line. This is not the best way to judge them but is what I have on hand. I purchase a new vacuum line, later style - length = 26 3/8" but I have no idea how correct it is. I installed this later style vacuum line on my engine and checked the clearance to the Bonnet - 2". I suspect the early style line would have about an inch of clearance. Reported length of the Tiger line - 25" from 3 replies to my question. I bent a 27" length of tubing similar to the new vacuum line I purchased, except I put a larger radius bend at the distributor as shown in pictures, then cut it to tuck it in along the coil and for clearance to the radiator hose. Tube length = 25" Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: David or Gary Franchi [mailto:wwwdg@webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 2:14 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line I believe the reason there is no Ford part number shown in the Tiger parts book is Ford didn't service the vacuum line. The Ford parts book for 1960 to 1964 (link below) and the 1965 to 1972 both state "12226 TUBE-DISTRIBUTOR VACUUM-STEEL..NOT SERVICED-MAKE FROM 8C 2669-B" Since Ford didn't have a number, Rootes wouldn't either. I wonder if there are any of these left in inventory in England, I never tried to order one in the past. I don't believe an original Ford line and Tiger line would be different, the only interference problem I can see might be hood clearance. David Book Cover http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/24149527/407213409.jpg Page http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/24149527/407213410.jpg _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 16:28:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFB642735 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 16:28:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f170.google.com (mail-ie0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0DD84043F for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 16:28:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id e11so2801388iej.1 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:28:33 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to :thread-index:x-mimeole; bh=19vr4wLjoHf1HSwvQfMhFqXYPWGR42LiXKlxpdL4nFA=; b=vp2GWbNW6VRQwCRPxb2y1TiujQdEeKSwCk702w0CNrxjYtZ8Jn1rLiZ56axaQS4UGh 2W7MGF/SjRYvXZdSUVoQsrwaE9+E0t0ZV7jDjXD8QUPZv5mPkdxmUeawX9uIkbaQSwaB bXPDrq1im2iwbntAcZZbolmse8eHVqR8yOMn6qTYtf+ZpkRH9dAgC62n//6UKAkhyDzc hsZRxTbQldg6iK/r1LCfejC9ZWzLEC5AoTHDAEbVZnt+mA9+DLdlP4dY3hiVsM8FbLgD hzuHSapfIXKa6aOa2H5pEVt4qVdtIuVXtwYk0RZXvp0DozFWrp/T43vGTHLisIKWqZlB KpCQ== zk16mr3270261icb.63.1374013713646; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from delld630 (adsl-75-10-138-85.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net. [75.10.138.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ht10sm4119585igb.2.2013.07.16.15.28.32 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:28:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark Rense" To: "'csx2282'" , References: <0B73CCBE-D9F8-422F-A9C2-C08CB519EF53@comcast.net> <85BE1372D6DB4687BC200E761DE02D49@Cobra> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:28:31 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6CUs7f622XAj8vT5ee6Ga9LdVjJgAILwsg Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm reminded every night about 3:00 AM where MY fluids need to go... -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of csx2282 Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 2:29 PM To: Gary Cc: Rollright@aol.com; tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Well, I certainly have no problem with British amber brews, as well as other variations, and French premium reds, and other variations. And I enjoy indulging either while flushing and/or bleeding my brakes or clutch fluids, but being an even older codger than Gary I do have to be cautious about not getting confused as to where all these different fluids are supposed to go. Roland _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 17:28:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FD142745 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:28:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5481640338 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:27:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Cobra (173-228-106-127.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.106.127]) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with SMTP id r6GNRsBS003399; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 16:27:54 -0700 From: "csx2282" To: "Mark Rense" , References: <0B73CCBE-D9F8-422F-A9C2-C08CB519EF53@comcast.net> <85BE1372D6DB4687BC200E761DE02D49@Cobra> <0F0A0550F59C4CE8B859FAFC9B0D650A@delld630> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 16:27:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yet another amber fluid to be treated with due diligence! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rense" To: "'csx2282'" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:28 PM > I'm reminded every night about 3:00 AM where MY fluids need to go... > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of csx2282 > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 2:29 PM > To: Gary > Cc: Rollright@aol.com; tigers > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Castrol brake fluid > > Well, I certainly have no problem with British amber brews, as well as > other > variations, and French premium reds, and other variations. And I enjoy > indulging either while flushing and/or bleeding my brakes or clutch > fluids, > but being an even older codger than Gary I do have to be cautious about > not getting confused as to where all these different fluids are supposed > to > go. > > Roland _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 17:29:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B3342740 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:29:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08FB40338 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:29:03 -0600 (MDT) c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1374017342; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=UYVD+K5XQF+R9uiiNFZixBS+fss=; b=Ci161RC6qhxBeOpu1Acl5hP7KXESITQyR0GYSkQeD+u3cGtztVcuhUljjZOyItvC 5HJKJqLX9tbCH6REuhSjLwDPQqBd5n3eXHGgGmpTVWmPK3cgPlHwXeFHN7QCF2fq; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=VHR75LDRdwNiv49K1R9BLQ==:117 a=VHR75LDRdwNiv49K1R9BLQ==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=ToKyAz9mrpEA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=r2ZXFRmrkHEA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=9spmy5tbJKylaqX9wkMA:9 a=kKY8aHcKnCHV1k-P:21 a=M2HCqSZy0n5GqxAf:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=wseay@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.48.131.223] ([71.48.131.223:29036] helo=xpseay) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPA id B1/6F-24434-D37D5E15; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:29:02 -0400 From: "Will Seay" To: , References: <9B7BC6772A914D86B70450955DEF30DD@ronpc1> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:28:57 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6ABVQoVKXPQerdQDyAB+mYBZW0wwCdryHQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ron, I don't know if you'll consider this to be helpful or not, but anyway.. I measured the length of the original vacuum line on B382001570. It came to 26 1/8" +/- about 1/4". This is an end-to-end measurement of the line and includes the about 5/8" of line on each end that goes through the fitting. Measurement was done using the prescribed string-measurement technique at standard temperature and pressure. And to add an additional dimension to your study, I took a shot at measuring the dimensions of the loop in the line. Bend radius of the loop is about 1 3/8". Height of the loop (to the top of the bend) is about 4". Will Seay_____________ wseay@embarqmail.com "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 4:13 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Distributor vacuum line I've been looking into why the distributor vacuum line only has a Rootes part number. Rootes either modified the Ford part or they made them in England; I'm just curious which is true. I've had a couple of replies that the Original vacuum line is 25" long and I would like to have more to confirm this. I hope there are more original vacuum lines out there - I would like to hear from those who do. The length of the line would be nice and/ or some pictures. Thanks for the help Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 19:00:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7DB4273B for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4674035A for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.170] by nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2013 01:00:04 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.193] by tm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2013 01:00:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2013 01:00:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 24555 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2013 01:00:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1374022803; bh=m2YDx2HdfkHL6tFYs5XQGSaZVyeRiD/wRGKNuGGSmL8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=v2cSqnwuDbZcp0VVbNmnIXWHRwm2U+b8XDYZbR9OvVSzDyuOZmjg+Swa48rUkIyIUH+gAJfxPxiXw+QgaU97dM7RizWrw5CkXTis3s6dPIe530r3bAwrWfkSr1MAS67HP77ma9laa9BKCMfy/fRYHDZCNlvwcHgtT8NNlNrUo4g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=abb31BlGQb+1f5O1bb+LUwOvzCXJQlZyvZwcgXJRSmVSuzKBqfzgW5p6igxI2k0v+aW9fDMctM2W9aHbYI/p6zcdN1boAvIVybcdrS7mBX0sTvh1MMvsH7Y8XV0Dn/GKS06Ldp7z6eIkVDnZ+pU8G5fWlL02PUnICQpC03YTIh4= ; 2wUjd4Mzesi6Zmgrob.zDgBLHa2c0SQ7IMDEVAv7NCAckD41yKxJSZHrOilj TIlz07kwa8qscUBJCJaSNspvph863D3FSeEYFXSnQh2s048iV40u0I_Y.4G9 VvzWzRCCr9Bdw209qHyspQE3QDWvKvgd5LwH61Gkk2yMlu9gS6aRX9xdfkXb i_.sV3V54PG0o0J7gF.E_XO5j42SZbsg4b.Fts0y5Kv3hy.ZVGYijfRFVYy9 qBZMify3rWPAB9AFqakgP_dsBfWktjWqD.OkV5UsW5SEduHqJPpiglA.8dih 9z9ulJ1BgXw886W2V_q5Ruw6uN1sDVDj6hub82zjuUq9ucmIsgnMpoHozhr1 gTo09fxdCY2JVNYpCSw9xyBT5V9VFEGE2OkiJphcaJk7Ai8H51o4mDdD_Y5z dWHYJHopI2atjT5zwED7mKzqYc7pZ1tHDHWswShCxWMPkxaaw.gZZ8RxDAgH _JnEfdg7ZxVPTocJf5JNx17LY5zyv730V14WgFAuUtg-- Received: from [63.142.116.58] by web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:00:03 PDT Q3VsbGVuLCBwbGVhc2UgY2FsbCBtZSBhdCA2MTggMjA3IDU1NTkuIEkgd2lsbCBiZSBtb3dpbmcgdW50aWwgYWJvdXQgOSBjc3QgYnV0IGlmIHlvdSB3aWxsIGxlYXZlIGEgbWVzc2FnZSB3LyB5b3VyIG51bWJlciBJIHdpbGwgY2FsbCB5b3UgYmFjayB3aGVuIEkgY29tZSBpbi4gVElBIQrCoApUb255IExhbmcgKFR0VCkBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:00:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Lang To: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] please call me Cullen Mc Cann Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Cullen, please call me at 618 207 5559. I will be mowing until about 9 cst but if you will leave a message w/ your number I will call you back when I come in. TIA! Tony Lang (TtT) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 19:35:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6C24273C for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:35:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404AE42735 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:35:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id n10so1786805oag.28 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:35:05 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=2JWu6MbdNuGDgPSjYFoVccZlMooqiXX8t6S7TLDLl7I=; b=O/TO+8SNfhzaiC+ywh/sEyV9t46K/DowP+rlrUgY6E6d+fS52aWVlK+iBT+FBmwxwm z7RAunT0cCr/sSY+hJXK+AZduVJCQlq5exx+P9wcTIYiI2E2ZFzQAFNHBHpOswhy2iT3 cq9NRkW63W/MNdVP8LK3Ix+aWUODyq+v7+jzzsXEwuoBqgz40Yy6vpBJ/x4czFrvJVei cDX7tRwVI4Uyt7fDWj9KDE3nvuRgOAVksvsFKfJ6bTlJ3Z1TB5URCfT5nn8YGQ+QXRvM O4XH61UFuR757yfoGrH4gaJi57q/Nhh+juXh4OinS3S0cSzswv93ycjHoKoZmquAaD8C PWgw== dm6mr5508822oeb.44.1374024905401; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([8.28.240.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z10sm4134438obl.13.2013.07.16.18.35.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:35:04 -0700 (PDT) References: <1374022803.24102.YahooMailNeo@web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Cullen McCann Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:35:01 -0500 To: Tony Lang Cc: Beamclub Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Tony. Called, left message. Holler back. ;) Hey everyone else. How's it going? Lets start a discussion.... WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Cullen Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2013, at 8:00 PM, Tony Lang wrote: > Cullen, please call me at 618 207 5559. I will be mowing until about 9 cst but > if you will leave a message w/ your number I will call you back when I come > in. TIA! > > Tony Lang (TtT) > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 21:20:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9713C42754 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:20:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629F14041C for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:20:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6H3I0fF024956; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:20:28 -0700 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622f) id dm0225.5192ebb2.7b9cf0; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:20:26 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.149.208]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 03:20:16 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Cullen McCann'" , "'Tony Lang'" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 23:20:12 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6CjeXv7TkmlWpIRQqV3LPdryZ1rgADj8uA engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-17_01:2013-07-17,2013-07-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307160284 Cc: 'Beamclub' Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Nothing - Too bloody Hot but tomorrow some new rubber donuts are expected so maybe out with the old dry rotten bunch and in with the new but again maybe too HOT to venture out. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:35 PM To: Tony Lang Cc: Beamclub Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Thanks Tony. Called, left message. Holler back. ;) Hey everyone else. How's it going? Lets start a discussion.... WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Cullen Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2013, at 8:00 PM, Tony Lang wrote: > Cullen, please call me at 618 207 5559. I will be mowing until about 9 > cst but > if you will leave a message w/ your number I will call you back when I > come in. TIA! > > Tony Lang (TtT) _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6495 - Release Date: 07/16/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 21:29:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F9642744 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:29:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4284C4041C for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:27:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo110 ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130717032705.DEZH3853.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo110> for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 23:27:05 -0400 Received: from laptop ([68.229.231.4]) by eastrmimpo110 with cox id 1FT41m00806M2ss01FT422; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 23:27:04 -0400 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:17 a=1c8sTNXU7lIA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=AqHaxO47it0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=ckE1raUi7w6ns8uVALMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=uc64m4MCEHUA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=JXEc8vBgl1EErh8T:21 a=Dx0FCaNVE0WT3_mC:21 a=mQNYivUl1kVvkKPIFMhd+Q==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=awtiger@cox.net From: "Andy Walker" To: "'Cullen McCann'" , "'Tony Lang'" References: <1374022803.24102.YahooMailNeo@web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1Db81m00s0koGQ601Db9Gz> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 22:26:59 -0500 Thread-Index: AQC3UNETM9cHuXJ2StAOiKEQ1s4HKAJWDmnxm4PoXRA= Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'Beamclub' Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well, Cullen...I passed it in the shop to go work on my Saleen Mustang!!!! As you know, I've got a light mechanical restoration planned for the Tiger in order to get it ready for next year's SUNI VI, but first comes a few tasks on the Saleen. Wanna help with some exhaust work??? ;-) Andy -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:35 PM To: Tony Lang Cc: Beamclub Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Thanks Tony. Called, left message. Holler back. ;) Hey everyone else. How's it going? Lets start a discussion.... WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Cullen Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2013, at 8:00 PM, Tony Lang wrote: > Cullen, please call me at 618 207 5559. I will be mowing until about 9 > cst but > if you will leave a message w/ your number I will call you back when I > come in. TIA! > > Tony Lang (TtT) > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 21:44:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25AF342749 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:44:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33A740553 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:42:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BuckLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.229.205]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MQ20023PAALZU90@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 22:42:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Buck Trippel" To: "'Cullen McCann'" , "'Tony Lang'" References: <1374022803.24102.YahooMailNeo@web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:42:11 -0700 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQC3UNETM9cHuXJ2StAOiKEQ1s4HKAIf8ynum4WaR/A= Cc: 'Beamclub' Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dan Walters & I finished rebuilding the brakes on the SCF Tiger today as we work to get it ready for the trip to Monterey in 3 weeks. We should have it ready to race tomorrow which is by far the earliest we've ever been ready. (Last year our "race" started when my wife and I loaded it into the trailer at midnight and towed north before dawn "racing" to meet our scheduled mid-morning tech time.) Hope to see many of you up there. Buck WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Cullen Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 21:54:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699204273E for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:54:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7344035A for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:54:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TerriPC ([unknown] [71.109.102.9]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MQ200LURAUB4D30@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 22:54:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kirk Smith" To: References: <1374022803.24102.YahooMailNeo@web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <003401ce829f$9f289150$dd79b3f0$@Verizon.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:53:52 -0700 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQC3UNETM9cHuXJ2StAOiKEQ1s4HKAIf8ynum4WaR/CAAAZ3oA== Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mine is not a daily driver...however, when I had it out last week, I drove south on PCH to Neptune's Net. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Buck Trippel Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:42 PM To: 'Cullen McCann'; 'Tony Lang' Cc: 'Beamclub' Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Dan Walters & I finished rebuilding the brakes on the SCF Tiger today as we work to get it ready for the trip to Monterey in 3 weeks. We should have it ready to race tomorrow which is by far the earliest we've ever been ready. (Last year our "race" started when my wife and I loaded it into the trailer at midnight and towed north before dawn "racing" to meet our scheduled mid-morning tech time.) Hope to see many of you up there. Buck WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Cullen Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 22:07:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57C740553 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 22:07:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mailsvc001.cisp.com (mailsvc001.cisp.com [68.70.191.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23931403FB for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 22:07:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LonWaltersPC (unverified [24.156.96.197]) by mailsvc001.cisp.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 8.0.3) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 04:07:28 +0000 From: "Lon Walters" To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:07:33 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6CnNWSkxPLyRB5SdqbwsylMEqYRgABgIug Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Tiger help in Hawaii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Years ago there was a Navy guy stationed in Hawaii trying to put a Tiger together with the extensive help from this list. Does anyone remember what happened to that gentleman? Did the car ever get going? Lon _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 22:15:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3066342753 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 22:15:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751B2403FB for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 22:14:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 510807009B4CE; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 00:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mla001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.79]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1C7CAE000081; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 00:14:57 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 00:14:57 -0400 (EDT) To: lon@sedona.net, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1374034497; bh=1+Pv8ZB9m+3GSExekhh55NtKWMwBypIwcUFjMWNTm7g=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NwAvoKLoW+XitIlwzgy4Nj7SKkPPbmh9aLWDqgXs0vgk7fFDxatDbVeqmzYvaxKUk R5K8BlSGc4iufJjoME8cLHeGM8/C0p7RixPj/Cc769hQDFoyO497Mmf+AnbrKnuPhy 05vdJM0d0Pr2BMlYiskaauuvJZwunksAa4eCwE/g= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d51e61a415041 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger help in Hawaii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wow, that's a blast from the past...I actually visited the guy on Oahu, at the Pearl Harbor Navy base, back in the late '90s, iirc. Can't remember his name, but remember the car. I'd also be interested to know what happened.. Mike In a message dated 7/16/2013 9:07:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lon@sedona.net writes: Years ago there was a Navy guy stationed in Hawaii trying to put a Tiger together with the extensive help from this list. Does anyone remember what happened to that gentleman? Did the car ever get going? Lon _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 00:36:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD7B40566 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 00:36:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02014032A for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 00:36:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MQ200JZTIC66Z10@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 01:36:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <000601ce82a3$2a4702a0$7ed507e0$@net> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 23:36:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger help in Hawaii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have a vague recollection his name was Chris, but not sure on that. As best I recall the car was shipped to the mainland (USA). He then determined to was too far gone to restore and I think he parted it out. I think he moved on to a Mustang. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 06:05:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D026A4274D for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 06:05:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA76D4032B for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 06:05:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([209.59.81.22]) by p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 1Q511m00C0UtSEh01Q52pB; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 05:05:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:04:32 -0400 From: Chris Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: MWood24020@aol.com References: Cc: lon@sedona.net, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger help in Hawaii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wasn't his name Chris Hill? He turned his Tiger into a drag racer. When he couldn't sell the car for what he wanted, he parted it out, and ended up getting more than he wanted. At least that's my recollection..... Chris B382000331 On 7/17/2013 12:14 AM, MWood24020@aol.com wrote: > Wow, that's a blast from the past...I actually visited the guy on Oahu, at > the Pearl Harbor Navy base, back in the late '90s, iirc. Can't remember his > name, but remember the car. I'd also be interested to know what happened.. > > Mike > > > In a message dated 7/16/2013 9:07:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lon@sedona.net writes: > > Years ago there was a Navy guy stationed in Hawaii trying to put a Tiger > together with the extensive help from this list. Does anyone remember > what > happened to that gentleman? Did the car ever get going? > > Lon _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 06:28:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13F44274C for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 06:28:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s17.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s17.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7584273D for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 06:27:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU0-SMTP64 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s17.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 05:27:58 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([111.220.209.94]) by BLU0-SMTP64.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 05:27:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 20:27:32 +0800 From: DavidandVarley To: tigers@autox.team.net FILETIME=[117A9480:01CE82E9] Subject: [Tigers] My Tiger's activity today. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My Tiger took me to my physiotherapy appointment today. B It made it into an enjoyable journey rather than a boring one. I'm undergoing rehab after surgery for a ruptured Achilles tendon. This was my first drive in the Tiger for 10 weeks.B The Tiger therapy worked very well. It always brings a smile to my face! It's good aerobic therapy too....no brake booster and a heavy competition clutch! Thinking I might rebuild the booster....yet again!B Cheers David Busselton West Australia.B Sent from David's mobileB _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 07:07:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7301142747 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 07:07:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og117.obsmtp.com (exprod5og117.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D63403EC for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 07:06:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpmlip10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([12.43.191.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob117.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUeaW7BTXZzyjA57gStN0V/DsPri/sdfY@postini.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 06:06:54 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO alpmlef01.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.18.10]) by alpmlip10.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 17 Jul 2013 09:06:51 -0400 Received: from alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.18.12]) by alpmlef01.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:06:51 -0400 Received: from alpmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.17.20]) by alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:06:38 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA05.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.59) by alpmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.17.20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.136.1; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:06:37 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.43]) by CINMBCNA05.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.5.20]) with mapi id 14.03.0136.001; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:06:37 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: 'LIST TIGER' Thread-Topic: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Thread-Index: Ac6C7i9ja7fBfaxRTOCLg7uEfYcv5g== Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:06:37 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.193] FILETIME=[79210EC0:01CE82EE] Subject: Re: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Last night in Tigerland I laid on my back and gazed up into a strange and wondrous universe whilst I pondered weak and weary. In other words, I pulled the driver's seat and stuck my head under the dash trying to figure out why the ignition (white) wire suddenly decided to smolder and let some smoke out. I had just pulled into my drive Monday and the engine suddenly quit and smoke billowed out from under the dash. Ignition switch off, I crawled under and saw that the white wire from the ignition switch to the tach and then beyond was melted right up to about an inch before it disappears into the harness on its way to the ballast resistor. I could not find any obvious place where the wire had grounded out, so I applied the tried-and-true method of jiggling the harness and turned the key. No more smoke and the car started. Hmmm. So last night, with 9V battery and multi-meter in hand I traced the wire from the ignition switch all the way to the distributor and found no shorts. Again, hmmm. I then replaced the charred wire with new smoke-filled wire and everything seems OK. So far. Suggestions will always be cheerfully accepted. While I was there, I broke the fuel pump circuit and installed a toggle switch, this for two purposes. One is for slightly increased security as the car will not go far if "borrowed", two, I can shut off the fuel before I park the car on hot days to minimize fuel boiling in the bowls. Bugz WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Cullen _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 07:46:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C23F42750 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 07:46:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA2D40395 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 07:46:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo110 ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130717134614.BZJO3892.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110> for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:46:14 -0400 Received: from fed1rmwml107 ([172.18.140.217]) by fed1rmimpo110 with cox id 1RmE1m00D4hdPEs01RmEo0; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:46:14 -0400 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:17 a=HiGo47ObaOMA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=UyHOC7Gu_PIA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=gXd9LNbBhYcA:10 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=IFX0EJR3KMALxkTVKtcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 204.61.12.74 by webmail.west.cox.net; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 9:46:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 9:46:14 -0400 From: To: DavidandVarley , tigers@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] My Tiger's activity today. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Best of luck, David, on your recovery from what sounds like a rather painful injury. I'm glad that you are back to the point to where you can drive your Tiger again. That's always good therapy!!!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ---- DavidandVarley wrote: > My Tiger took me to my physiotherapy appointment today. B It made it into an enjoyable journey rather than a boring one. > > I'm undergoing rehab after surgery for a ruptured Achilles tendon. This was my first drive in the Tiger for 10 weeks.B > > The Tiger therapy worked very well. It always brings a smile to my face! It's good aerobic therapy too....no brake booster and a heavy competition clutch! Thinking I might rebuild the booster....yet again!B > > Cheers > David > > Busselton > West Australia.B > > > Sent from David's mobileB > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 08:39:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27724275F for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:39:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458D540074 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail83-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.230) by CO1EHSOBE015.bigfish.com (10.243.66.78) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:39:00 +0000 Received: from mail83-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail83-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A27500144 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:38:59 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail83-co1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail83-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail83-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1374071936141571_24454; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS009.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.229]) by mail83-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E77634005B for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CO1EHSMHS009.bigfish.com (10.243.66.19) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:38:48 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT06.ad.garmin.com (10.2.0.28) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:39:11 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by olawpa-exht06.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.0.28]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:38:47 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: 'Beamclub' Thread-Topic: [Tigers] (no subject) Thread-Index: AQHOgo3uKbezbuaXXkeg9+OzfvUgo5loh84AgABmX8A= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:38:46 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm finally back on the road with new FR steering rack, Minx spindles, and aluminum rad. But there are a few teething issues with the new suspension geometry. The sway bar sits closer to the wheel inner edge with the new spindles, and that plus the fact I took out the front wheel spacers is making the wheel hit the swaybar well short of where full steering lock should be. So I have to move the outboard swaybar mount up. Steering is noticeably quicker with the FR rack - the ratio is about 16% quicker IIRC and there is basically no lash in the new rack so the car goes EXACTLY where your hands go. Kinda nice, after years of having a worn/damaged rack with a broken Belleville washer on one side. The effort is still manageable even with a small steering wheel although you notice it at parking lot speeds. I'm going back to a mechanical fan after trying to run without it (just electric fan) for several summers. It seems like there is just no drive that doesn't at some point involve sitting in traffic and my electric fan was just not able to keep up even with the new rad. So I picked up a Flex-a-Lite 14" fan last weekend and mounted it... now I have to make a shroud to fit that. After that... it will be a matter of driving the car and working out all the little things that have piled up over the years so it's good to go for Suni VI. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: July 16, 2013 9:20 PM > To: 'Cullen McCann'; 'Tony Lang' > Cc: 'Beamclub' > Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) > > Nothing - Too bloody Hot but tomorrow some new rubber donuts are > expected so maybe out with the old dry rotten bunch and in with the new > but again maybe too HOT to venture out. > > Ron Fraser > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 08:48:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6035542762 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:48:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D4B4032A for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1RJF1m0011zF43QA8So7lQ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:48:07 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1So71m0062xZMJ48kSo7cU; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:48:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:48:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Theo Smit s=q20121106; t=1374072487; bh=M/1vbY5/e+Q2DiAYvQybvkR0vrnFHuiqg2kYWNu3b4E=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=JEN/v7MUl0ZbOsYhFSuDBlpSiRC0pjN5qfoQ0jXS6YnjrXjrANlhVeCmYBNRWlL/4 rmzjtmfPuNkAET5EyJBxcDEiJURAFnKj5vadOvZuRtdor/EzvWOtUoSXKayoNBQGC/ P/v/PI67bZvV50X7hGA+dz9UL7++zkE/jXjHeic4VWYwf69fumy9TgnwQQyZfFVDUX f8usy7uPGPzZ+BTBo7BBvMgCnByljEMDufQsvdF5DuflhYtuj0YV9sstUCqnOU5DCf J0cLVofvd674i4JkKAeG0TU/jEL9NroniwbO1b6ezie+ksn4lQRmue3aVkbsR0c8bo tdlnbFxQk1S6g== Cc: 'Beamclub' Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Theo, What kind of rack did you install? FR must be "Fast Ratio"... Sounds like you need that electric power steering column! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Theo Smit To: 'Beamclub' Sent: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:38:46 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) I'm finally back on the road with new FR steering rack, Minx spindles, and aluminum rad. But there are a few teething issues with the new suspension geometry. The sway bar sits closer to the wheel inner edge with the new spindles, and that plus the fact I took out the front wheel spacers is making the wheel hit the swaybar well short of where full steering lock should be. So I have to move the outboard swaybar mount up. Steering is noticeably quicker with the FR rack - the ratio is about 16% quicker IIRC and there is basically no lash in the new rack so the car goes EXACTLY where your hands go. Kinda nice, after years of having a worn/damaged rack with a broken Belleville washer on one side. The effort is still manageable even with a small steering wheel although you notice it at parking lot speeds. I'm going back to a mechanical fan after trying to run without it (just electric fan) for several summers. It seems like there is just no drive that doesn't at some point involve sitting in traffic and my electric fan was just not able to keep up even with the new rad. So I picked up a Flex-a-Lite 14" fan last weekend and mounted it... now I have to make a shroud to fit that. After that... it will be a matter of driving the car and working out all the little things that have piled up over the years so it's good to go for Suni VI. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: July 16, 2013 9:20 PM > To: 'Cullen McCann'; 'Tony Lang' > Cc: 'Beamclub' > Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) > > Nothing - Too bloody Hot but tomorrow some new rubber donuts are > expected so maybe out with the old dry rotten bunch and in with the new > but again maybe too HOT to venture out. > > Ron Fraser > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 09:01:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB68742748 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CB340046 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:57:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail90-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.228) by TX2EHSOBE006.bigfish.com (10.9.40.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:57:07 +0000 Received: from mail90-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail90-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E27E2A0383; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:57:07 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail90-tx2: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail90-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail90-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1374073025370331_14674; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS018.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.230]) by mail90-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA2A4600FC; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by TX2EHSMHS018.bigfish.com (10.9.99.118) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:57:04 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com (10.5.143.145) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:57:30 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.110]) by OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.143.145]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:57:02 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Gary Winblad Thread-Topic: [Tigers] (no subject) Thread-Index: AQHOgo3uKbezbuaXXkeg9+OzfvUgo5loh84AgABmX8CAAFnUgP//rEIw Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:57:00 +0000 References: <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A20E186@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> <1154406088.1234138.1374072487114.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Cc: 'Beamclub' Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Itbs the Flaming River Cobra/MGB rack. You have to move the rack mounts on the front crossmember outboard 1 inch (each) and redo the steering intermediate shaft. That rack comes with a B>b b 48 spline shaft so I got two of their U-joints in B>-48 on one side, B>b double-D on the other, and their DD intermediate shaft. The angularity of the upper U-joint is right on the limitb& if I feel really ambitious at one point Ibll cut and regrind the shaft on the rack so that I can reduce the angle between the two shafts a bit. I know that Dale (and others?) have done a thing where they use an Alpine steering column and then make a double intermediate shaft. This requires an extra support on the frame rail. One could also use a double U joint at the upper end. There are a few guys doing that electric PS column especially in England. I havenbt had any time to look into itb& I expect that someone will show up at SUNI with one. Theo From: Gary Winblad [mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net] Sent: July 17, 2013 8:48 AM To: Smit, Theo Cc: 'Beamclub' Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Hi Theo, What kind of rack did you install? FR must be "Fast Ratio"... Sounds like you need that electric power steering column! Gary ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 09:02:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9D042755 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:02:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908E7403DE for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:02:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6HF1oNp029544 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:02:10 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9f1d) id dm0219.5192ebc4.75ef8d for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:02:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:02:06 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A20E186@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-17_06:2013-07-17,2013-07-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307170097 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Theo, yes, the Flaming River R&P units are great hardware. I use one based on th eold Pinto fitments int eh race car. It goes where you point it. But, opposite of you, I slowed down my ratio because at speed the smallest driver twitch inputs steering commands to the front wheels. That can get twitchy at 210 mph, lol.. mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 7/17/2013 7:38 AM, Smit, Theo wrote: > I'm finally back on the road with new FR steering rack, Minx spindles, and > aluminum rad. But there are a few teething issues with the new suspension > geometry. The sway bar sits closer to the wheel inner edge with the new > spindles, and that plus the fact I took out the front wheel spacers is making > the wheel hit the swaybar well short of where full steering lock should be. So > I have to move the outboard swaybar mount up. > > Steering is noticeably quicker with the FR rack - the ratio is about 16% > quicker IIRC and there is basically no lash in the new rack so the car goes > EXACTLY where your hands go. Kinda nice, after years of having a worn/damaged > rack with a broken Belleville washer on one side. The effort is still > manageable even with a small steering wheel although you notice it at parking > lot speeds. > > I'm going back to a mechanical fan after trying to run without it (just > electric fan) for several summers. It seems like there is just no drive that > doesn't at some point involve sitting in traffic and my electric fan was just > not able to keep up even with the new rad. So I picked up a Flex-a-Lite 14" > fan last weekend and mounted it... now I have to make a shroud to fit that. > > After that... it will be a matter of driving the car and working out all the > little things that have piled up over the years so it's good to go for Suni > VI. > > Theo > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- >> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser >> Sent: July 16, 2013 9:20 PM >> To: 'Cullen McCann'; 'Tony Lang' >> Cc: 'Beamclub' >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) >> >> Nothing - Too bloody Hot but tomorrow some new rubber donuts are >> expected so maybe out with the old dry rotten bunch and in with the new >> but again maybe too HOT to venture out. >> >> Ron Fraser >> > > ________________________________ > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential > and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please > notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, > copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by > someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 10:53:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5585942740 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:53:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5367B4032A for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:53:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6HGlo5A012554; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:53:11 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018922c) id dm0213.5192ebd3.7c9512; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:53:05 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Rense, Mark \(GE, Appl & Light\)'" , "'LIST TIGER'" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:52:20 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6C7i9ja7fBfaxRTOCLg7uEfYcv5gAHTGQg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-17_06:2013-07-17,2013-07-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307170117 Subject: Re: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Bugz I have heard about the ballast resistor shorting to ground but not sure if it was on a Tiger. The resistor wire was loose within the ceramic and as it heated up it sagged to ground; upon cooling off it was in the normal position. I would have a fire extinguisher on hand while you are sorting this problem. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:07 AM To: 'LIST TIGER' Subject: Re: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Last night in Tigerland I laid on my back and gazed up into a strange and wondrous universe whilst I pondered weak and weary. In other words, I pulled the driver's seat and stuck my head under the dash trying to figure out why the ignition (white) wire suddenly decided to smolder and let some smoke out. I had just pulled into my drive Monday and the engine suddenly quit and smoke billowed out from under the dash. Ignition switch off, I crawled under and saw that the white wire from the ignition switch to the tach and then beyond was melted right up to about an inch before it disappears into the harness on its way to the ballast resistor. I could not find any obvious place where the wire had grounded out, so I applied the tried-and-true method of jiggling the harness and turned the key. No more smoke and the car started. Hmmm. So last night, with 9V battery and multi-meter in hand I traced the wire from the ignition switch all the way to the distributor and found no shorts. Again, hmmm. I then replaced the charred wire with new smoke-filled wire and everything seems OK. So far. Suggestions will always be cheerfully accepted. While I was there, I broke the fuel pump circuit and installed a toggle switch, this for two purposes. One is for slightly increased security as the car will not go far if "borrowed", two, I can shut off the fuel before I park the car on hot days to minimize fuel boiling in the bowls. Bugz WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Cullen _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6495 - Release Date: 07/16/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 11:36:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74ABB4273D for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:36:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og105.obsmtp.com (unknown [64.18.0.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D3340043 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:32:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpmlip12.e2k.ad.ge.com ([12.43.191.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob105.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUebVJFwqoRtSWW2KEbE8TDu0gRnTpHrT@postini.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:32:46 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO alpmlef08.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.18.17]) by alpmlip12.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 17 Jul 2013 13:32:14 -0400 Received: from cinmlef16.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.213.85]) by alpmlef08.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:32:13 -0400 Received: from alpmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.17.20]) by cinmlef16.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:32:12 -0400 Received: from CINMBAPD02.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.68) by alpmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.17.20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.136.1; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:32:08 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.43]) by CINMBAPD02.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.8.118]) with mapi id 14.03.0136.001; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:32:08 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" , 'LIST TIGER' Thread-Topic: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Thread-Index: Ac6C7i9ja7fBfaxRTOCLg7uEfYcv5gAHTGQgAAHX9ZA= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 17:32:06 +0000 References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147CF3288@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.193] FILETIME=[92436270:01CE8313] Subject: Re: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ron, thanks for the safety tip, there is ALWAYS a fire extinguisher nearby, one in the car and a big one in the shop next to the TIG welder. I am running a Pertonix II inside the dual-point and their coil, the ballast resistor is by-passed. I am thinking the ignition wire must have slight worn through somewhere, as the fuse did not blow when this thing smoked. At least, that's my firm, unwavering theory for the moment. We'll see tonight when I button up everything and connect the battery. Thanks, Bugz -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:52 PM To: Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light); 'LIST TIGER' Subject: RE: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Bugz I have heard about the ballast resistor shorting to ground but not sure if it was on a Tiger. The resistor wire was loose within the ceramic and as it heated up it sagged to ground; upon cooling off it was in the normal position. I would have a fire extinguisher on hand while you are sorting this problem. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:07 AM To: 'LIST TIGER' Subject: Re: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Last night in Tigerland I laid on my back and gazed up into a strange and wondrous universe whilst I pondered weak and weary. In other words, I pulled the driver's seat and stuck my head under the dash trying to figure out why the ignition (white) wire suddenly decided to smolder and let some smoke out. I had just pulled into my drive Monday and the engine suddenly quit and smoke billowed out from under the dash. Ignition switch off, I crawled under and saw that the white wire from the ignition switch to the tach and then beyond was melted right up to about an inch before it disappears into the harness on its way to the ballast resistor. I could not find any obvious place where the wire had grounded out, so I applied the tried-and-true method of jiggling the harness and turned the key. No more smoke and the car started. Hmmm. So last night, with 9V battery and multi-meter in hand I traced the wire from the ignition switch all the way to the distributor and found no shorts. Again, hmmm. I then replaced the charred wire with new smoke-filled wire and everything seems OK. So far. Suggestions will always be cheerfully accepted. While I was there, I broke the fuel pump circuit and installed a toggle switch, this for two purposes. One is for slightly increased security as the car will not go far if "borrowed", two, I can shut off the fuel before I park the car on hot days to minimize fuel boiling in the bowls. Bugz WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Cullen _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6495 - Release Date: 07/16/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 11:54:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973A042748 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7F54032B for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:54:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MQ300GGDDQK9YF1@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:54:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <51E68850.2050203@cthompson.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:54:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger help in Hawaii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net No, Chris Hill is in Northern California. I did some searching in my old Tiger files. I found three emails. Yes, his first name was Chris, - his last name was Vaught. The last email I have on record had him living in Mississippi. But, yes, your recollection and mine about parting the car our seems correct. Also an email related to the parts for sale does seem to indicate he had modified it for drag racing. I also remember at the time there was some discussion that he would even be allowed drag race to because of the short wheelbase of the Tiger. Lastly I recall that at some point in his service career (or shortly after) he was in So. Cal. and some of the local Tiger owners spent a day with him. Tom Witt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Thompson" To: Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger help in Hawaii > Wasn't his name Chris Hill? He turned his Tiger into a drag racer. When > he couldn't sell the car for what he wanted, he parted it out, and ended > up getting more than he wanted. At least that's my recollection..... > > Chris > B382000331 > > On 7/17/2013 12:14 AM, MWood24020@aol.com wrote: >> Wow, that's a blast from the past...I actually visited the guy on Oahu, >> at >> the Pearl Harbor Navy base, back in the late '90s, iirc. Can't remember >> his >> name, but remember the car. I'd also be interested to know what >> happened.. >> Mike >> In a message dated 7/16/2013 9:07:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> lon@sedona.net writes: >> >> Years ago there was a Navy guy stationed in Hawaii trying to put a Tiger >> together with the extensive help from this list. Does anyone remember >> what >> happened to that gentleman? Did the car ever get going? >> >> Lon > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend@verizon.net > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3204/6498 - Release Date: 07/17/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 12:59:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB8640510 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:59:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C5F4032A for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:59:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6HIwWtY011261; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:00:20 -0700 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018969c) id dm0225.5192ebb2.7cd1c4; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:59:16 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Rense, Mark \(GE, Appl & Light\)'" , "'LIST TIGER'" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:59:13 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6C7i9ja7fBfaxRTOCLg7uEfYcv5gAHTGQgAAHX9ZAAAypzIA== engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-17_08:2013-07-17,2013-07-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307170142 Subject: Re: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Bugz Is the ballast resistor totally gone from the car or are you using one of the posts for the bypass. If it is still on the car it could still short to ground. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) [mailto:mark.rense@ge.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:32 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; 'LIST TIGER' Subject: RE: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Ron, thanks for the safety tip, there is ALWAYS a fire extinguisher nearby, one in the car and a big one in the shop next to the TIG welder. I am running a Pertonix II inside the dual-point and their coil, the ballast resistor is by-passed. I am thinking the ignition wire must have slight worn through somewhere, as the fuse did not blow when this thing smoked. At least, that's my firm, unwavering theory for the moment. We'll see tonight when I button up everything and connect the battery. Thanks, Bugz -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:52 PM To: Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light); 'LIST TIGER' Subject: RE: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Bugz I have heard about the ballast resistor shorting to ground but not sure if it was on a Tiger. The resistor wire was loose within the ceramic and as it heated up it sagged to ground; upon cooling off it was in the normal position. I would have a fire extinguisher on hand while you are sorting this problem. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:07 AM To: 'LIST TIGER' Subject: Re: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Last night in Tigerland I laid on my back and gazed up into a strange and wondrous universe whilst I pondered weak and weary. In other words, I pulled the driver's seat and stuck my head under the dash trying to figure out why the ignition (white) wire suddenly decided to smolder and let some smoke out. I had just pulled into my drive Monday and the engine suddenly quit and smoke billowed out from under the dash. Ignition switch off, I crawled under and saw that the white wire from the ignition switch to the tach and then beyond was melted right up to about an inch before it disappears into the harness on its way to the ballast resistor. I could not find any obvious place where the wire had grounded out, so I applied the tried-and-true method of jiggling the harness and turned the key. No more smoke and the car started. Hmmm. So last night, with 9V battery and multi-meter in hand I traced the wire from the ignition switch all the way to the distributor and found no shorts. Again, hmmm. I then replaced the charred wire with new smoke-filled wire and everything seems OK. So far. Suggestions will always be cheerfully accepted. While I was there, I broke the fuel pump circuit and installed a toggle switch, this for two purposes. One is for slightly increased security as the car will not go far if "borrowed", two, I can shut off the fuel before I park the car on hot days to minimize fuel boiling in the bowls. Bugz WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Cullen _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6495 - Release Date: 07/16/13 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6495 - Release Date: 07/16/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 13:13:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1D942748 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:13:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og117.obsmtp.com (exprod5og117.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D31340074 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:13:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cinmlip12.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.4.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob117.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUebs7EHZJ3NblzzsYs+qKxzgJ9G77f45@postini.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:13:49 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO cinmlef06.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.213.37]) by cinmlip12.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 17 Jul 2013 15:13:46 -0400 Received: from alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.18.12]) by cinmlef06.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:13:44 -0400 Received: from cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.50]) by alpmlef03.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:13:40 -0400 Received: from CINMBAPD03.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.69) by cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.136.1; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:13:38 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.43]) by CINMBAPD03.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.9.87]) with mapi id 14.03.0136.001; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:13:38 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" , 'LIST TIGER' Thread-Topic: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Thread-Index: Ac6C7i9ja7fBfaxRTOCLg7uEfYcv5gAHTGQgAAHX9ZAAAypzIAAAMCmA Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:13:37 +0000 References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147CF341F@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.193] FILETIME=[BF0B6EC0:01CE8321] Subject: Re: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ron, your point is valid. I took apart an old resistor and solder a wire internally between the two spades so it looks original but serves no function. I will bring home a "megger" from work (a megger, or megohm meter measures high resistances and looks for faults in insulation) tonight and go through the harness and ballast resistor. I'm hoping you are right, as that would be simple! -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 2:59 PM To: Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light); 'LIST TIGER' Subject: RE: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Bugz Is the ballast resistor totally gone from the car or are you using one of the posts for the bypass. If it is still on the car it could still short to ground. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) [mailto:mark.rense@ge.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:32 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; 'LIST TIGER' Subject: RE: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Ron, thanks for the safety tip, there is ALWAYS a fire extinguisher nearby, one in the car and a big one in the shop next to the TIG welder. I am running a Pertonix II inside the dual-point and their coil, the ballast resistor is by-passed. I am thinking the ignition wire must have slight worn through somewhere, as the fuse did not blow when this thing smoked. At least, that's my firm, unwavering theory for the moment. We'll see tonight when I button up everything and connect the battery. Thanks, Bugz -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:52 PM To: Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light); 'LIST TIGER' Subject: RE: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Bugz I have heard about the ballast resistor shorting to ground but not sure if it was on a Tiger. The resistor wire was loose within the ceramic and as it heated up it sagged to ground; upon cooling off it was in the normal position. I would have a fire extinguisher on hand while you are sorting this problem. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:07 AM To: 'LIST TIGER' Subject: Re: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Last night in Tigerland I laid on my back and gazed up into a strange and wondrous universe whilst I pondered weak and weary. In other words, I pulled the driver's seat and stuck my head under the dash trying to figure out why the ignition (white) wire suddenly decided to smolder and let some smoke out. I had just pulled into my drive Monday and the engine suddenly quit and smoke billowed out from under the dash. Ignition switch off, I crawled under and saw that the white wire from the ignition switch to the tach and then beyond was melted right up to about an inch before it disappears into the harness on its way to the ballast resistor. I could not find any obvious place where the wire had grounded out, so I applied the tried-and-true method of jiggling the harness and turned the key. No more smoke and the car started. Hmmm. So last night, with 9V battery and multi-meter in hand I traced the wire from the ignition switch all the way to the distributor and found no shorts. Again, hmmm. I then replaced the charred wire with new smoke-filled wire and everything seems OK. So far. Suggestions will always be cheerfully accepted. While I was there, I broke the fuel pump circuit and installed a toggle switch, this for two purposes. One is for slightly increased security as the car will not go far if "borrowed", two, I can shut off the fuel before I park the car on hot days to minimize fuel boiling in the bowls. Bugz WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Cullen _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6495 - Release Date: 07/16/13 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6495 - Release Date: 07/16/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 13:38:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5391F4273E for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:38:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net (txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42EE403DE for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Roscrea ([74.196.108.150]) by txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.01.08 201-2343-100-153-20121108) with ESMTP id <20130717193310.KUHY15280.txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net@Roscrea> for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:33:10 -0500 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "Tiger Autox" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:38:28 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6DJTNPsgmKSRELQ8SoE/bTAPK1Bg== Content-Language: en-us cv=On+TjDcn2pjc9GB3jUMLC+2ADHte7SQ6xfRQINO6Gek= c=1 sm=0 a=ABC15wX-qOIA:10 a=xzW3HwPJiLYA:10 a=VPHkNMUpP2kA:10 a=_IE0QUYlSnL5jiNZ4_gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=AXIXC7sBfTWGWGiC:21 a=LNAG6j4a_fTl4QOc:21 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=ojvN1yk6wYAFXL1NCCQA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: [Tigers] What did I do with my Tiger today?? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well, it came time to redo my brake master cylinder. The last time I rebuilt it I was only 45 years old, this time I'm 70. So getting under the dash to remove the two nuts (nylock nuts of course) and compress the spring to get the spring retainer out, was not as fun as it was when I was younger (had to build a special tool to do it). Once out it was very simple to clean up and put the new kit in. Speaking of the kit (HK52) it was such a pleasure to deal with Rick at SS, I think he had it in the mail before I hung up the phone!! Don't you just love the places that say "We ship in 24- 48 hrs.". Something to note is the condition of the rubber. I use silicon fluid mainly because my Tiger is more of a show car and I don't want fluid to ruin the paint. But the condition of the rubber in 25 years is just as people have said for a long time, that the rubber does get somewhat softer. The front edge of the main seal showed wear (didn't have the sharp leading edge as a new one does). I can send photos if anyone is interested. The problem I was having is that I started to have to pump the peddle a time or two to get a hard peddle, so I knew there needed to be some refreshing somewhere. I'm now going to get a kit for the booster as it's been 11years since I redid it. I didn't like seeing some of the "trash" that was in the reservoir, it's supposed to be nice and clear. I think I'll do all four wheels just for my own piece of mind. I might do a video on the rebuilding of a booster and put it on YouTube for all to see. Perhaps someone has already done that, I haven't looked for one. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC insp. #58 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 18:14:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B8F426C2 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38507403D9 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:12:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homef2683adebd ([unknown] [173.78.146.47]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MQ300IH3V8GM0L2@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:12:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Scattt" To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 20:12:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] My Tiger's activity today. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I am a member of the Deep South Cobra Club who tolerate the Tiger and me in their midst. This past week-end we had a two day cruise through the mountains of north Georgia and North Carolina. We based at Hiawassee Ga and spent Friday spirtly snakeing through the hills to the Wolf Mountain Winery where we had lunch. One of the eight Cobras with us smoked his MSD box which was replaced in a hour along side of the road. The only other issue we had was a garbage truck slinging stones which broke the windshield of one of the Cobras. Saturday we headed to North Carolins via the twisties and the Blue Ridge Parkway. It drizzled on us a couple of times making the driving interesting but the weather held off and nobody took any off road detours. We dined at the Dillard House that night and left early Sunday for Florida through Peach country. We stopped at a sorting and packing house to stock up on peaches and had a throughly enjoyable week-end. We put several hundred miles on the Tiger driving the twisties! Nick > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/scattt@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 19:03:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AECC642275 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:03:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cmta15.telus.net (cmta15.telus.net [209.171.16.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E5840382 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([209.89.36.25]) by cmta15.telus.net with TELUS id 1d0C1m0040YYqBV01d0C6A; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:00:12 -0600 a=Pn8cxahmvo0qh7ucw6S1Fg==:17 a=WIJ4OnAGe2cA:10 a=o1qg1WumZRkA:10 a=UIdm24C_LI4A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Qm2X8ul6AAAA:8 a=rPe25rPPo40A:10 a=gKmtMuF0YiNWY-98C50A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=TMPqhs0KC4UA:10 a=mRdVh_h4vjMA:10 a=Pn8cxahmvo0qh7ucw6S1Fg==:117 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:00:11 -0600 From: Gary Pointer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Cruised in to the local Casino for Classic Car Tuesday. I think, with the weather the ways it's been for the last month, there was some pent up demand and ~75 cars rolled in. One guy in particular, extremely happy to see a Tiger. Gary in Alberta _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 12:33:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4355640543 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:33:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896AA403E2 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:33:17 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=jft2uCh2sZhZ0ohTunEFrX3HhsZKpS96T6cOjhA10XLC0+VXxy2pf4e0Jr8D2i9g; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.245.41.213] (helo=XPS2710.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Uzt0v-0008Mt-0L; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 14:33:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 11:33:11 -0700 To: "Thomas Witt" , From: "Norman C. Miller" References: <51E68850.2050203@cthompson.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger help in Hawaii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net JUNKED in 2003 - B382002322 LRXFE Norm At 10:54 AM 7/17/2013, Thomas Witt wrote: >No, Chris Hill is in Northern California. > >I did some searching in my old Tiger files. I found three >emails. Yes, his first name was Chris, - his last name was Vaught. >The last email I have on record had him living in Mississippi. But, >yes, your recollection and mine about parting the car our seems >correct. Also an email related to the parts for sale does seem to >indicate he had modified it for drag racing. I also remember at the >time there was some discussion that he would even be allowed drag >race to because of the short wheelbase of the Tiger. > > Lastly I recall that at some point in his service career (or > shortly after) he was in So. Cal. and some of the local Tiger > owners spent a day with him. > >Tom Witt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 13:38:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7448D403E2 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:38:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f44.google.com (mail-yh0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB380403DF for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:36:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f44.google.com with SMTP id t59so1253114yho.17 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:36:39 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=mfXgzUDVX5jrOT4vNtB8mfH/r3dy1mc2s4QKXTVrtds=; b=bsAwXs8iFqEsyqhN6GkVS0+apl24slKbvq/R3lNuRgkwI4AT6zwcDN5U9ndUuVbCE/ Og64n40EmCDWPHL/ueI+Evafdp8lhFhxO5cpBdEK+eN7Tq+i7QhWRmrQl+LlDv7f8xs/ +18zKWtTxbVY2whjodGFZmqqV2Z+yVQHuzni9n2Ciq0knF3Ir9XaQY1lDPeZsTHcN+Jc mhRRWKYPz7qmledl706QRc6C+i1yIOTr7IxEuMfMT5TEpk8hGeElLH3Ic0QWzY1m5uIi hYqcvfoE7Ba0HxGCQdqMHPvXrsu92a1KR4HvS6BaS/6keHjpoBntaQ2YZynsf6/Xo4JL X5OA== g25mr6866106yhk.216.1374176199603; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OwnerPC (pool-71-241-129-186.burl.east.myfairpoint.net. [71.241.129.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d68sm16644707yhk.7.2013.07.18.12.36.37 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:36:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "robert jaarsma" <64venezia@gmail.com> To: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 15:36:32 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6D7hf6hcTDNPvGQhuYlTMs+hp6Tg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That's exactly what my Tiger did, burn up that same wire. I hope to address this soon, but have other projects at this moment. Robert -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:07 AM To: 'LIST TIGER' Subject: Re: [Tigers] WHAT DID YOU DO ON or WITH YOUR TIGER TODAY!? Last night in Tigerland I laid on my back and gazed up into a strange and wondrous universe whilst I pondered weak and weary. In other words, I pulled the driver's seat and stuck my head under the dash trying to figure out why the ignition (white) wire suddenly decided to smolder and let some smoke out. I had just pulled into my drive Monday and the engine suddenly quit and smoke billowed out from under the dash. Ignition switch off, I crawled under and saw that the white wire from the ignition switch to the tach and then beyond was melted right up to about an inch before it disappears into the harness on its way to the ballast resistor. I could not find any obvious place where the wire had grounded out, so I applied the tried-and-true method of jiggling the harness and turned the key. No more smoke and the car started. Hmmm. So last night, with 9V battery and multi-meter in hand I traced the wire from the ignition switch all the way to the distributor and found no shorts. Again, hmmm. I then replaced the charred wire with new smoke-filled wire and everything seems OK. So far. Suggestions will always be cheerfully accepted. While I was there, I broke the fuel pump circuit and installed a toggle switch, this for two purposes. One is for slightly increased security as the car will not go far if "borrowed", two, I can shut off the fuel before I park the car on hot days to minimize fuel boiling in the bowls. Bugz _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 19 07:11:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A13B42775 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 07:11:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f53.google.com (mail-wg0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2007640537 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 07:08:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id y10so4004792wgg.20 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 06:08:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rItByWICHTHLLvD5gDHoix5A6Rk/hpc9QYcn9K2k+L8=; b=0xd9bh4SqMUnfiStq0mD4dLqXzSKjumii2TXbSYYjW3+A9NxIQNOiKOR7eHKKwvmoC Frc6Igy+izEnSfZtGdFKJReKuq6RsmbbmYy9mrd9mHQMk4QXlP2JjAfAK4Z9/h0X1Ju0 a+zLkTmLxQsvAp8hJsfWgNBdmHeQ7lwkve7TScxpD+LaZiCN53p7vUmRO7lBCMMQmf+r m8qYJPxmDhRxXJYjEYUxLH31u+IKa219eJ1LzSkgCNeathKQV2UA2eYaWpMX+vO+G166 GYmQqN9tl/3rzAU7YVkMQVb+ebb9sarw0Mdyj+Vyxp3PyPslWxHtzrmft9X9H/s9NFuZ QM1w== bo4mr12161271wjc.40.1374239294310; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 06:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.219.67 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 06:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:08:14 -0400 From: kevin beck To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 260 block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just picked up 5 bolt 289 and ready put the 260 in storage, but before I do I have a question on the 260. On the back of my 260 block there is a big splotch of yellow paint. Just curious does it mean anything. Kevin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 19 13:03:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692844276A for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:03:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E39406A7 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:00:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6JIwMrv003558; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:00:26 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189394) id dm0219.5192ebc4.7a264c; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:00:24 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'kevin beck'" , Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:00:18 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6EgqwzAXue+5L5RsKBnn+vwgzeAQALxmIg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-19_07:2013-07-19,2013-07-19,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307190150 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Kevin My best guess is that it is an inspection mark. Ford may have used different color paint daps to ID 260 or 289 block from a distance and not have to check the casting #. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of kevin beck Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:08 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 260 block Just picked up 5 bolt 289 and ready put the 260 in storage, but before I do I have a question on the 260. On the back of my 260 block there is a big splotch of yellow paint. Just curious does it mean anything. Kevin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 20 13:01:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFAE4054E for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 13:01:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B5A40419 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 13:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Cobra (173-228-106-127.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.106.127]) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with SMTP id r6KJ0xoD017044; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 12:00:59 -0700 From: "csx2282" To: References: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 12:00:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sometimes machine shops will mark engine parts they work on. There were yellow marks on a block I had machining done on by a local shop. Got pictures to prove it if anyone is actually interested. Roland ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:00:18 -0400 > From: " Ron Fraser" > > Kevin > My best guess is that it is an inspection mark. > Ford may have used different color paint daps to ID 260 or 289 block from > a > distance and not have to check the casting #. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > > > Just picked up 5 bolt 289 and ready put the 260 in storage, but before I > do > I have a question on the 260. On the back of my 260 block there is a big > splotch of yellow paint. Just curious does it mean anything. Kevin > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 21 13:24:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A14425C4 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 13:24:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm42-vm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm42-vm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.155]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CB940532 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 13:24:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm42.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 19:24:10 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.202] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 19:24:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 19:24:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 94293 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2013 19:24:10 -0000 s=s1024; t=1374434650; bh=ajiqnan9WbJvVEhUbC5QYiCGL/R6CrocVhomy+WSs4c=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Zz2aZ9tqPEpY2mNOwIWwG0OSsjfpvLDaPTYlZwex8/5qGCKC5g5QA5sS6wa3CWe23fdCeNTmqwRgecZEOQFVmDmx5988gM1GvMS8X7WDNMonRDoujJrmnypWZXgJ8ivfN6Zb5gmra24SpH0H1e1QZvuwZdFaIq4kJok+MJ8st38= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RhukYYuksZZhORpSDEXFnwqln12jUNPueViqS62T4kYykOj+sYGxyr/siJsRMhTUUqAb0EgshMw/sVbFU/9r3HyeLMpjEhfsOhIo+c7LeVKILUoVABeCzqZJYRRjXtfd01FMBnyulXt5EwaubRPL/XUf2XEkLiYJ/WArCts3ugc=; Received: from [69.35.177.184] by web142605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 12:24:09 PDT SSBhbSBpbiB0aGUgcHJvY2VzcyBvZiBwdWxsaW5nIHRoZSAyODkgb3V0IG9mIG15IE1LSUkgYW5kIGZvdW5kIGEgbWFya2luZyBvbiB0aGUgZnJlZXplIHBsdWcgd2hpY2ggaXMgYmVoaW5kIHRoZSBtb3VudGluZyBmb3IgdGhlIG9pbCBmaWx0ZXIuIEkgdG9vayBhIHBpY3R1cmUgb2YgaXQsIG1vc3RseSBmb3IgYSBjb2xvciBtYXRjaCBmb3IgdGhlIGJsdWUgcGFpbnQuCkRpZCB0aGUgYmx1ZSBibG9ja3MgY29tZSBpbiBvbmx5IG9uZSBzaGFkZSBvZiBibHVlLCBvciBhcmUgdGhlcmUgbW9yZSB0aGFuIG9uZSABMAEBAQE- References: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 12:24:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Halgren To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 248 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I am in the process of pulling the 289 out of my MKII and found a marking on the freeze plug which is behind the mounting for the oil filter. I took a picture of it, mostly for a color match for the blue paint. Did the blue blocks come in only one shade of blue, or are there more than one shade? Mine looks to be a slightly green shade of blue. Carl ________________________________ From: "tigers-request@autox.team.net" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 248 Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 260 block (csx2282) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 12:00:52 -0700 From: "csx2282" To: Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 block text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Sometimes machine shops will mark engine parts they work on. There were yellow marks on a block I had machining done on by a local shop. Got pictures to prove it if anyone is actually interested. Roland ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:00:18 -0400 > From: " Ron Fraser" > > Kevin > My best guess is that it is an inspection mark. > Ford may have used different color paint daps to ID 260 or 289 block from > a > distance and not have to check the casting #. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > > > Just picked up 5 bolt 289 and ready put the 260 in storage, but before I > do > I have a question on the 260. On the back of my 260 block there is a big > splotch of yellow paint. Just curious does it mean anything. Kevin > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tigers mailing list Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers End of Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 248 ************************************** _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 21 18:22:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2557F426C3 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 18:22:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5ED840E52 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 18:22:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004960.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6M0KlfS021246; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 17:23:42 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b324) id dm0219.5192ebc4.7dcd58; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 17:22:05 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Carl Halgren'" , Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 20:21:54 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6GR+7yXoITzO0HQvCf8nr/PYRxdQAJkLEg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-21_06:2013-07-19,2013-07-21,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307210239 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 248 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Carl That is a very good question. The Cleveland Foundry made all the engines for the Tiger. I would think that the 289s were all painted the same Ford blue color. TBON lists the color of the block as Old Ford Dark Blue. I have seen several Tiger 289 engine pictures and everyone of them looks like a different shade of blue. The big problem is that paint can change shades due to age, heat and chemicals. We have all of those in the engine compartment. I suggest you take pictures of all the unique items you see on the block and then paint it the shade of blue you like. I also suggest you take pictures of casting numbers, date codes and any ink stampings you find. I will send you my Original Tiger Engine Study sheet off list. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl Halgren Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 3:24 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 248 I am in the process of pulling the 289 out of my MKII and found a marking on the freeze plug which is behind the mounting for the oil filter. I took a picture of it, mostly for a color match for the blue paint. Did the blue blocks come in only one shade of blue, or are there more than one shade? Mine looks to be a slightly green shade of blue. Carl ________________________________ From: "tigers-request@autox.team.net" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 248 Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 260 block (csx2282) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 12:00:52 -0700 From: "csx2282" To: Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 block text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Sometimes machine shops will mark engine parts they work on. There were yellow marks on a block I had machining done on by a local shop. Got pictures to prove it if anyone is actually interested. Roland ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:00:18 -0400 > From: " Ron Fraser" > > Kevin > My best guess is that it is an inspection mark. > Ford may have used different color paint daps to ID 260 or 289 block from > a > distance and not have to check the casting #. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > > > Just picked up 5 bolt 289 and ready put the 260 in storage, but before I > do > I have a question on the 260. On the back of my 260 block there is a big > splotch of yellow paint. Just curious does it mean anything. Kevin > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tigers mailing list Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers End of Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 248 ************************************** _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6503 - Release Date: 07/19/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 09:18:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E05B40542 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 09:18:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C93E40329 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 09:18:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id e15so5684171vbg.17 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:18:10 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Zt1xQlOvHRHmj9HswcST9wDRSq7up6CJPmXsE08IoCE=; b=TU01vS1U5h54Oz40oh+jnU8zScTIqq9WnDGo/RqYr4h3jM2GESJaJqTTA4qr5AJBKg fFH8fKQX+B1jBfqw9lo+EPEtubHqsVdMGfF/vOyOLn+r3l3RqCLDuj433whlyr0EMdiP j0Pnwh1xH5B4DCsdUA4daOxl5GiEPjelHemez+jJMjiiaMPUzS+QLaU7vm3AiJ79oG07 w2eG1r7AGFqmco5O9oNC2fAVl0Wu3HdtQsDUYmS5vRYTCGmbaM+WMElMZZZyR+j8bQlU zhnc/JJ2pmvsSJUbi6YUVR3703Yr/YXNb+w3y7Wz1sCgvbCmpwnbrF/OTa1ffEQ5VN2/ xwEw== sy4mr11840445vcb.11.1374592690285; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.195.196 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:18:10 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: [Tigers] OFF TOPIC - modern starters and clutches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net You have been warned that this is off topic. So delete now if you'd be offended by non-Tiger emails. There are two things about today's cars that has been baffling me. The first is the cars that shut down rather than idle. How the heck do starters and flywheel gears last from that overload of use? And, I thought starting a car is the biggest drain on the battery. How does the alternatory and battery keep up? I mean, if I turned off the Tiger at every stoplight and in traffic, I'm not sure my starter, battery or car would make it to the destination. [ok, see, some Tiger content] The next is the clutchless manual transmissions. I think the dual clutch/dual main shafts is genius, really genius - so simple, yet such a difference. But, how do those cars inch along in stop and go traffic and not destroy the clutch in a single day's drive? Any ideas? Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 13:59:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E6C403F8 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E942C40398 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:55:07 -0600 (MDT) a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:17 a=253cKie21zsA:10 a=WIJ4OnAGe2cA:10 a=tw_46iY4V6cA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=t8fXHQOLV5sA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=gOlNbZ8YQ8Q62RGlNIsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:117 Received: from [72.224.119.118] ([72.224.119.118:64021] helo=[192.168.1.142]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 8B/44-07055-A9FDEE15; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:55:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:55:06 -0400 From: Tod Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: tigers@autox.team.net, Jay Laifman References: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 250 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/23/2013 2:00 PM, tigers-request@autox.team.net wrote: > OFF TOPIC - modern starters and clutches (Jay Laifman) Jay: I don't know all the answers to all your questions, but I do have couple of thoughts. First, I have always understood that alternators are more efficient than generators, so repeatedly starting a car whose battery has been charged by an alternator may not be such a large demand. Modern batteries really do hold a good deal of energy, so the stop and start cycle is probably something well within its capability. Follow a UPS truck around for a bit for a demonstration. Newer starters are also more efficient, I believe. You might have more of a problem with a Tiger, since it (at least mine) uses a generator which would have more of a problem keeping up at idling speeds (I sometimes see the red ignition light come on at idle - something I haven't noticed with the cars I have had with alternators.) Secondly, I had a VW GTI in the past with the DSG transmission and it really is a neat piece. There are really two clutches (and two gearboxes) which are controlled electronically, making it possible to engage and disengage the (concentric) clutches without the worry of slipping the clutch as one would do with a manual clutch. It is my understanding that it is the slipping that can quickly do in a clutch but the electronics allows for that to be avoided for the most part. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 14:01:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E5E406A4 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:01:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605D9400AD for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:00:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 14so6445475vea.15 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:00:57 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=BxuK1j5nqe6HlOuUts2Zhj2s0y6fl6D57xoFky6jtas=; b=GXCLHS7q5RGUpGB2tWUmLx0kZsZ9Kl9CyK+wSL5FfpY4hTwACYeeR1vOYIHTHhrn7c 3q02h14AJYMkoWQGet+tjeQXq7hXR1T2bYdPFEVbhQGjtNvVDJcK5+WIxzxrV6/42S16 2Dv/PuSiegoBtI1jAKP8tTblDs+ii+AP6eSs4NU/F36OqTFIp7kh+WP4fdYB3cDXdm2S MjPTCKrUQxYFv+VHZPZkNO61Gj/3L4BiBLmlqnVg7AJr2WJgoUFYlvnpHuXJIqCd5NxN BLgzjsxC0KL5TDuB8E0njkrDrTay8KfSlu0wrFMXnU3CfaR1XGZt18iJfoUxiApsQaxc ALMw== sy4mr12544698vcb.11.1374609657101; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.195.196 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:00:57 -0700 (PDT) References: <51EEDF9A.5060605@roadrunner.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:00:57 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Tod Brown Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 250 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Good thoughts. My dad used to joke about the British and their starter. On the Alpine, the starter had this great little knob on the back. It was there so that when the starter jammed, you could put a spanner on it and free the starter. While it seemed like a great idea (and neither the Germans nor Japanese had such a great thing), the better solution for jamming starters would have been to fix the jamming problem in the first place (which the Germans and Japanese seemed to do). On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Tod Brown wrote: > On 7/23/2013 2:00 PM, tigers-request@autox.team.net wrote: > >> OFF TOPIC - modern starters and clutches (Jay Laifman) >> > Jay: > > I don't know all the answers to all your questions, but I do have couple > of thoughts. > > First, I have always understood that alternators are more efficient than > generators, so repeatedly starting a car whose battery has been charged by > an alternator may not be such a large demand. Modern batteries really do > hold a good deal of energy, so the stop and start cycle is probably > something well within its capability. Follow a UPS truck around for a bit > for a demonstration. Newer starters are also more efficient, I believe. You > might have more of a problem with a Tiger, since it (at least mine) uses a > generator which would have more of a problem keeping up at idling speeds (I > sometimes see the red ignition light come on at idle - something I haven't > noticed with the cars I have had with alternators.) > > Secondly, I had a VW GTI in the past with the DSG transmission and it > really is a neat piece. There are really two clutches (and two gearboxes) > which are controlled electronically, making it possible to engage and > disengage the (concentric) clutches without the worry of slipping the > clutch as one would do with a manual clutch. It is my understanding that it > is the slipping that can quickly do in a clutch but the electronics allows > for that to be avoided for the most part. > > Cheers, > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 14:06:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA04A4055F for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FC14044B for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:06:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail155-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.240) by TX2EHSOBE014.bigfish.com (10.9.40.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:06:04 +0000 Received: from mail155-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail155-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FF52000CE; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:06:04 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail155-tx2: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail155-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail155-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1374609960573659_1100; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS033.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.226]) by mail155-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C47400AD; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by TX2EHSMHS033.bigfish.com (10.9.99.133) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:05:58 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.220) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:05:54 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.31]) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.181]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:05:56 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Jay Laifman , Tiger's Den Thread-Topic: [Tigers] OFF TOPIC - modern starters and clutches Thread-Index: AQHOh7fyXyVzJwg9x06koviLnCyGdplyr3fg Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:05:55 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.50.8.1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] OFF TOPIC - modern starters and clutches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Jay, For the second: Try and see how slow you can really go at 500 RPM in first. For original Tigers with 2.88 rear end gears and the 2.32 first that's not actually that slow, but any more recent vehicles can easily crawl along at less than 10 mph in first without disengaging the clutch. I haven't looked into the design details of the DSG gearboxes from all the vendors but maybe they also incorporated a small torque converter to handle creep situations? Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman > Sent: July 23, 2013 9:18 AM > To: Tiger's Den > Subject: [Tigers] OFF TOPIC - modern starters and clutches > > You have been warned that this is off topic. So delete now if you'd be > offended by non-Tiger emails. > > There are two things about today's cars that has been baffling me. The > first is the cars that shut down rather than idle. How the heck do > starters and flywheel gears last from that overload of use? And, I > thought starting a car is the biggest drain on the battery. How does > the alternatory and battery keep up? I mean, if I turned off the Tiger > at every stoplight and in traffic, I'm not sure my starter, battery or > car would make it to the destination. [ok, see, some Tiger content] > The next is the clutchless manual transmissions. I think the dual > clutch/dual main shafts is genius, really genius - so simple, yet such > a difference. But, how do those cars inch along in stop and go traffic > and not destroy the clutch in a single day's drive? > Any ideas? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 14:14:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677614043D for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:14:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8ED740382 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9F5A370031609; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mle002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.199]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 51A4FE000086; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:14:37 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:14:36 -0400 (EDT) To: jay.laifman@gmail.com, todbrown@roadrunner.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1374610477; bh=EDVYegzOEX5Q1//fhbVmejstmNP0ZoKgrIEWDIOpwls=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=j/6BqXZEtI6DFAIq+7yOJtmBNpCA5I8ZiY+4UWBXAUCY1rcxpnKPsHIV53vgS7BKO I0PHKWsCQ0bcGIF4lnO7RsdKx4Mue5M50O4GJSJ7itX9hvEI+ynkqVUtoexPOxgFXW 6XaSLSM5n8FYr1IxyItkESsYm4G3XfT5DWG3/AyI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c951eee42d0b5d Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 250 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ah, the jamming British starter. I had Midget that would jam about every 10th start. Carried a 10mm open end wrench and could do it by feel in the dark. Mark L In a message dated 7/23/2013 4:01:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jay.laifman@gmail.com writes: Good thoughts. My dad used to joke about the British and their starter. On the Alpine, the starter had this great little knob on the back. It was there so that when the starter jammed, you could put a spanner on it and free the starter. While it seemed like a great idea (and neither the Germans nor Japanese had such a great thing), the better solution for jamming starters would have been to fix the jamming problem in the first place (which the Germans and Japanese seemed to do). On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Tod Brown wrote: > On 7/23/2013 2:00 PM, tigers-request@autox.team.net wrote: > >> OFF TOPIC - modern starters and clutches (Jay Laifman) >> > Jay: > > I don't know all the answers to all your questions, but I do have couple > of thoughts. > > First, I have always understood that alternators are more efficient than > generators, so repeatedly starting a car whose battery has been charged by > an alternator may not be such a large demand. Modern batteries really do > hold a good deal of energy, so the stop and start cycle is probably > something well within its capability. Follow a UPS truck around for a bit > for a demonstration. Newer starters are also more efficient, I believe. You > might have more of a problem with a Tiger, since it (at least mine) uses a > generator which would have more of a problem keeping up at idling speeds (I > sometimes see the red ignition light come on at idle - something I haven't > noticed with the cars I have had with alternators.) > > Secondly, I had a VW GTI in the past with the DSG transmission and it > really is a neat piece. There are really two clutches (and two gearboxes) > which are controlled electronically, making it possible to engage and > disengage the (concentric) clutches without the worry of slipping the > clutch as one would do with a manual clutch. It is my understanding that it > is the slipping that can quickly do in a clutch but the electronics allows > for that to be avoided for the most part. > > Cheers, > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 18:17:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2A240437 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:17:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1580B403A7 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:17:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3zxy1m00717UAYkAE0Hc7g; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 00:17:36 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 40Hb1m00l2xZMJ48Z0HbYk; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 00:17:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 00:17:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Jay Laifman s=q20121106; t=1374625056; bh=hsSeup7za3/v76UEUvlHCeahppfAX/LsCQUUsXhDZeA=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=hXNqptAuEmEaw7eUgP12P0LMJtiWwN41KwI13DVhMq/LjYPCwyk76Pt2zN+O0d1oE jvIe4i6qhWGcjx6RyyV/02uzsT9Z7H+wmacwnfZ0dF2Ra0lWBBYlYCPlN2JSMDkKWn OYhqFuXpMyMOnJKjKNN//T1llTj/qZv9/JdHpIhfmdN4vIVoXV7rVy2UzPiwt2Qivb HFzYPvkCZvMqMn6RVP5u3cGoOU4Ajys0eRKWnmPCxXxxDSSCXOyIth8EqPwsm0ERmG egx5aWjyBiizZIow5p9ipnrqCwgPfBnvkYoCqJm0EW8oWy9+uF58EjlByhBM4C8GJS zN4xoAp3RnlHg== Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] OFF TOPIC - modern starters and clutches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Jay, Auto stop (shutdown) is probably the single thing that lets hybrids achieve their great city mileage. It is amazing how much gas it saves. There are several schemes that I know of... The Honda hybrids like my old Insight have a pancake motor attached to the flywheel run by the 144V hybrid battery. No wear at all. As an emergency backup, the Hondas also have a conventional 12V ring geared starter.. never used until the hybrid battery goes bad! The Prius has the engine connected to a planetary gearbox along with 2 electric motors. This replaces the tranny, clutch, starter motor, generator and probably more I forgot! The engine starts from road motion after it starts going on electric power. Nothing to wear. The GM light hybrids replace the alternator with a bigger alternator/motor belt driven to the engine. Nothing to wear. Battery is something like 36V... Probably the most elegant solution is the Mazda. It stops the engine on a compressed stroke ready for a spark to start it back up. As in most schemes, electronic control is really the key! And as far as I know, as someone else pointed out, only the british (in modern times) have jammed starter problems ;-) Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Laifman To: Tiger's Den Sent: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:18:10 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] OFF TOPIC - modern starters and clutches You have been warned that this is off topic. So delete now if you'd be offended by non-Tiger emails. There are two things about today's cars that has been baffling me. The first is the cars that shut down rather than idle. How the heck do starters and flywheel gears last from that overload of use? And, I thought starting a car is the biggest drain on the battery. How does the alternatory and battery keep up? I mean, if I turned off the Tiger at every stoplight and in traffic, I'm not sure my starter, battery or car would make it to the destination. [ok, see, some Tiger content] The next is the clutchless manual transmissions. I think the dual clutch/dual main shafts is genius, really genius - so simple, yet such a difference. But, how do those cars inch along in stop and go traffic and not destroy the clutch in a single day's drive? Any ideas? Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 18:50:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBDD403E9 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f42.google.com (mail-pb0-f42.google.com [209.85.160.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC890400AD for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:48:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id un1so9120649pbc.1 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:48:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=InayBptTyHDLtSypVDfktKQxZc9AE90HOxd7dSHRemo=; b=dZ9aZpXI37so+vGEP0TjApce5W8dpLdaADN+OmBIJcHtXZQWShBvduRMpR2dHX3F6/ F5PWO+HuFMsl2H7mmVhpNWRtUymIre5BaAZidJ0CSgKAEF1iI5bhVgXpESsE5MOtFLUE 2TPRGpJvHygLufVVEzJnI+vNWiNtfgK5HEHlSQnoAgXeRodoW00NLRHZZmpNyDv+Hzga vx9fNknthltyVdN8KS7vMABd4vmDuwuB2kna/WynoJH/jrMdGbQ1z/EVabyXNqt3E5ap ezK4oBN+W5bk7OApy5g/LV5nZTLC5Xz3FH92GD29wr8PhIhLZai+V0m6BA0ur+cNBo4O PoGg== tx9mr3574341pac.166.1374626897916; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.136.106 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:48:17 -0700 (PDT) References: <1036851986.1445694.1374625055703.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:48:17 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: Gary Winblad Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] OFF TOPIC - modern starters and clutches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It's not only hybrids. Most BMWs I've driven in the last 5 years or so do it too. Especially the small engined ones. Just a geared starter and engine that's very easy to crank when the valve timing is adjusted for starting. On Tuesday, July 23, 2013, Gary Winblad wrote: > Hi Jay, > Auto stop (shutdown) is probably the single thing that lets hybrids achieve > their great city mileage. > It is amazing how much gas it saves. > There are several schemes that I know of... > The Honda hybrids like my old Insight have a pancake motor attached to the > flywheel run by the > 144V hybrid battery. No wear at all. As an emergency backup, the Hondas > also > have a > conventional 12V ring geared starter.. never used until the hybrid battery > goes bad! > The Prius has the engine connected to a planetary gearbox along with 2 > electric motors. This > replaces the tranny, clutch, starter motor, generator and probably more I > forgot! The engine > starts from road motion after it starts going on electric power. Nothing > to > wear. > The GM light hybrids replace the alternator with a bigger alternator/motor > belt driven to the > engine. Nothing to wear. Battery is something like 36V... > Probably the most elegant solution is the Mazda. It stops the engine on a > compressed stroke > ready for a spark to start it back up. As in most schemes, electronic > control > is really the key! > And as far as I know, as someone else pointed out, only the british (in > modern > times) have > jammed starter problems ;-) > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Laifman > > > To: Tiger's Den > Sent: Tue, 23 Jul > 2013 15:18:10 -0000 > (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] OFF TOPIC - modern starters and clutches You > have > been warned that this is off topic. So delete now if you'd be offended by > non-Tiger emails. There are two things about today's cars that has been > baffling me. The first is the cars that shut down rather than idle. How > the > heck do starters and flywheel gears last from that overload of use? And, I > thought starting a car is the biggest drain on the battery. How does the > alternatory and battery keep up? I mean, if I turned off the Tiger at > every > stoplight and in traffic, I'm not sure my starter, battery or car would > make > it to the destination. [ok, see, some Tiger content] The next is the > clutchless manual transmissions. I think the dual clutch/dual main shafts > is > genius, really genius - so simple, yet such a difference. But, how do > those > cars inch along in stop and go traffic and not destroy the clutch in a > single > day's drive? Any ideas? Jay > _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 20:06:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20FDF403E9 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s20.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s20.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B714035A for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:06:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU172-W45 ([65.55.116.72]) by blu0-omc3-s20.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:06:09 -0700 From: David and Varley Tweddle To: "Tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 10:06:09 +0800 FILETIME=[5D224940:01CE8812] Subject: [Tigers] Idle stop...my thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Engine stop vs idling. I've pondered how this could be better... on a modern car they are efi and don't heat soak quickly or start hard when hotthey don't have Lucas electricsthey do have good alternators, new wiring (all be it light weight),they are not meant to last an overly long time....not like our near 50 year old Tigers. I have had a recent trip in a Landrover Freeloader and it was most annoying....the vehicle owner eventually turned it off!! In stop go traffic in Perth WA on a 40c day I'm not sure even a modern "auto turn off at the traffic lights" would keep you cool! Not a fan! Cheers David...alias Tiger_DFT . _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 21:13:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E629E40400 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:12:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB76E4035A for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:12:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6O3DXJW021897; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:13:38 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0213.5192ebd3.871a6f; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:12:33 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.179.156]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 03:12:22 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'David and Varley Tweddle'" , "'Tigers@autox.team.net'" Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 23:12:18 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6IEmjW5wDQ8IfpQSWv6qb9Z58ZHAACFogg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-23_06:2013-07-22,2013-07-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307230238 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Idle stop...my thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net David Very difficult to heat soak EFI that works a 40 or more psi; even more difficult on direct injection which is much higher fuel line pressure. You make a good point about auto off at a stop and A/C cooling. Probably has auto A/C controls too but no idea about the workings of these new systems. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David and Varley Tweddle Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:06 PM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Idle stop...my thoughts Engine stop vs idling. I've pondered how this could be better... on a modern car they are efi and don't heat soak quickly or start hard when hotthey don't have Lucas electricsthey do have good alternators, new wiring (all be it light weight),they are not meant to last an overly long time....not like our near 50 year old Tigers. I have had a recent trip in a Landrover Freeloader and it was most annoying....the vehicle owner eventually turned it off!! In stop go traffic in Perth WA on a 40c day I'm not sure even a modern "auto turn off at the traffic lights" would keep you cool! Not a fan! Cheers David...alias Tiger_DFT . _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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Today's Topics: 1. Re: Idle stop...my thoughts ( Ron Fraser) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 23:12:18 -0400 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'David and Varley Tweddle'" , "'Tigers@autox.team.net'" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Idle stop...my thoughts David Very difficult to heat soak EFI that works a 40 or more psi; even more difficult on direct injection which is much higher fuel line pressure. You make a good point about auto off at a stop and A/C cooling. Probably has auto A/C controls too but no idea about the workings of these new systems. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David and Varley Tweddle Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:06 PM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Idle stop...my thoughts Engine stop vs idling. I've pondered how this could be better... on a modern car they are efi and don't heat soak quickly or start hard when hotthey don't have Lucas electricsthey do have good alternators, new wiring (all be it light weight),they are not meant to last an overly long time....not like our near 50 year old Tigers. I have had a recent trip in a Landrover Freeloader and it was most annoying....the vehicle owner eventually turned it off!! In stop go traffic in Perth WA on a 40c day I'm not sure even a modern "auto turn off at the traffic lights" would keep you cool! Not a fan! Cheers David...alias Tiger_DFT . _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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I believe the A/C is electric so it keeps cooling even when the engine is off. As I recall, a couple of years ago, I started the car, but not the gasoline engine, and it kept cooling for 15 minutes before the engine started up. I have not done that for that long recently. 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My dealer recommended that I disable it - said that on the 6-speed manual cars that it drove most drivers nuts. I thought I would give it a try anyway. The auto off cuts in (cuts out?) when the car is stopped, in neutral, clutch out, with brake applied. I had gotten in the habit of putting the car in neutral and letting the clutch out to avoid holding the bear-trap clutch in on the Tiger so this didn't require too much of a change to my driving habits. The engine starts back up when you push the clutch back in. Don't know if it engages the starter or not, but I don't hear any starter noise. The auto off will not cut in if there is a demand for the A/C. If the A/C compressor is on, the auto off doesn't cut in. If the engine is off, the auto-off function will restart the engine if there is a demand for the compressor. That last part requires a bit of getting used to - you can be sitting at a stop light with engine off and all of a sudden the engine spontaneously starts up to run the A/C. I'm still getting used to that. Will Seay_____________ wseay@embarqmail.com "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:12 PM To: 'David and Varley Tweddle'; 'Tigers@autox.team.net' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Idle stop...my thoughts David Very difficult to heat soak EFI that works a 40 or more psi; even more difficult on direct injection which is much higher fuel line pressure. You make a good point about auto off at a stop and A/C cooling. Probably has auto A/C controls too but no idea about the workings of these new systems. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David and Varley Tweddle Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:06 PM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Idle stop...my thoughts Engine stop vs idling. I've pondered how this could be better... on a modern car they are efi and don't heat soak quickly or start hard when hotthey don't have Lucas electricsthey do have good alternators, new wiring (all be it light weight),they are not meant to last an overly long time....not like our near 50 year old Tigers. I have had a recent trip in a Landrover Freeloader and it was most annoying....the vehicle owner eventually turned it off!! In stop go traffic in Perth WA on a 40c day I'm not sure even a modern "auto turn off at the traffic lights" would keep you cool! Not a fan! Cheers David...alias Tiger_DFT . _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Considerations for a future year motors for the Salt Flats car. Just some thoughts and interest questions... What are choices for a twin or sohc engine just under 3 liters? all motor ideas (ie no power adders). Current record is 200.xx What are the choices for a just under 2 liter 4 banger? Anyone interested in building an Alpine motor, with transmission, for the salt car? It will have to be a goer, lol... current record is 178 and change.... motor only, no blower or NOS. Having just spent a box full of money on this motor, if you wanna play anything that is to be built needs to have readily available speed parts! Custom is NOT the way to save money, lol... mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 08:42:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B13403F6 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.188]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7501403F6 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:41:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail200-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.230) by CO1EHSOBE031.bigfish.com (10.243.66.96) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:41:52 +0000 Received: from mail200-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail200-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2F9E0279; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:41:52 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail200-co1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail200-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail200-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1374849710236210_28747; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS030.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.243]) by mail200-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C09280004B; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CO1EHSMHS030.bigfish.com (10.243.66.40) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:41:47 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com (10.5.143.145) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 09:42:52 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.31]) by OLAWPA-EXHT05.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.143.145]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 09:41:45 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Thread-Index: AQHOigqUZF+28amC30Wf/wk04vgfL5l3CGv9 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:41:45 +0000 References: <51F2846A.6010300@mayfco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For a sub-2-liter engine, the Honda S2000 engine might cut it... You would need to look a how much higher you could safely push the redline to get more than the stock 240 hp though. The mx-3 v6 at 1.8 liters could be interesting as well as the JDM inline-6 engines from Nissan. More valves equals more breathing potential... Theo On 2013-07-26, at 8:15 AM, "Larry Mayfield" wrote: > Considerations for a future year motors for the Salt Flats car. Just some thoughts and interest questions... > > What are choices for a twin or sohc engine just under 3 liters? all motor ideas (ie no power adders). Current record is 200.xx > > What are the choices for a just under 2 liter 4 banger? > > Anyone interested in building an Alpine motor, with transmission, for the salt car? It will have to be a goer, lol... current record is 178 and change.... motor only, no blower or NOS. > > Having just spent a box full of money on this motor, if you wanna play anything that is to be built needs to have readily available speed parts! Custom is NOT the way to save money, lol... > > mayf > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 08:46:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24BA40437 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F729403F6 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:46:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id ib11so557784vcb.28 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:46:39 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=JX3mrM6zFHXwb4Ar43UywRBQUzYvTiaBs3koSN6tR3g=; b=xzGpJIp0/gg0GmqRVM57gNheUrSjXCcf6ZpNivfxuY56K3cqWEPHHmM0uPirJt9USY E3XRHyBZFhnfymKBpcOeV2AHZVLG0IPuqooft1R8o52kH1/4vBoFK1c6uiyUITQIdV7/ XW6usDBDElZdpyxkZ3h9FvZKqLwM3Vqjnbu22TKxwBkrJhvpn/HlsOH7Nhgkn8Q0hGVK P6L0E7ghfFub0VMgf4JPRSSFnTvVJKO8EuM9NxfKDCqUQUl/or3fSjLbygjyPrXyy/li H82VPWmlrSzUFYkPt4ecSQY33jRe9fh87s4r0SXfyyprhKIdz3XpO4y1Pb0qbKTho+F3 rq2w== yq18mr3369941vdb.73.1374849999697; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.37.67 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:46:39 -0700 (PDT) References: <51F2846A.6010300@mayfco.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:46:39 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For the n/a 4cly 2.0 either a Millington or a BDG would be my top choices. Otherwise a BMW S14 can make over 300hp but might not be cheaper at those outputs. All fantastic engines but not cheap. On the cheap side you could get close to 300 from a pinto 2.0. Are you allowed a factory blower? R53 mini engine can make 300hp from a 1.6 very cheaply. The swedes make huge power from the Volvo 4 bangers.... 3.0 takes a bit more thought. Lots of choices. Datsun 2.8s are well developed but I know little about them. I'm building a merc m110 twin cam, a shade under 3 litres, capable of 300 hp at present but its heavily modified. On Friday, July 26, 2013, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Considerations for a future year motors for the Salt Flats car. Just some > thoughts and interest questions... > > What are choices for a twin or sohc engine just under 3 liters? all motor > ideas (ie no power adders). Current record is 200.xx > > What are the choices for a just under 2 liter 4 banger? > > Anyone interested in building an Alpine motor, with transmission, for the > salt car? It will have to be a goer, lol... current record is 178 and > change.... motor only, no blower or NOS. > > Having just spent a box full of money on this motor, if you wanna play > anything that is to be built needs to have readily available speed parts! > Custom is NOT the way to save money, lol... > > mayf > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/owain.lloyd@** > gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 08:56:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A218340435 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:56:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from db9outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (mail-db9lp0248.outbound.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.248]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE06F403F6 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail80-db9-R.bigfish.com (10.174.16.242) by DB9EHSOBE019.bigfish.com (10.174.14.82) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:50:22 +0000 Received: from mail80-db9 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail80-db9-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FFDF300243; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:50:22 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail80-db9: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail80-db9 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail80-db9 (MessageSwitch) id 1374850219139237_5715; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DB9EHSMHS017.bigfish.com (unknown [10.174.16.253]) by mail80-db9.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D8DF160053; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by DB9EHSMHS017.bigfish.com (10.174.14.27) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:50:18 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT06.ad.garmin.com (10.2.0.28) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 09:51:33 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.31]) by olawpa-exht06.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.0.28]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 09:50:15 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Thread-Index: AQHOigqUZF+28amC30Wf/wk04vgfL5l3XZuA//+tL1Y= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:50:14 +0000 References: <51F2846A.6010300@mayfco.com>, Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net How about chain-driving two 1000cc motorcycle engines together? Out of the box you'd be near 300 hp. It would sound completely awesome as well. Theo On 2013-07-26, at 8:46 AM, "Owain Lloyd" wrote: > For the n/a 4cly 2.0 either a Millington or a BDG would be my top choices. > Otherwise a BMW S14 can make over 300hp but might not be cheaper at those > outputs. > > All fantastic engines but not cheap. > > On the cheap side you could get close to 300 from a pinto 2.0. > > Are you allowed a factory blower? R53 mini engine can make 300hp from a > 1.6 very cheaply. > > The swedes make huge power from the Volvo 4 bangers.... > > > > 3.0 takes a bit more thought. Lots of choices. Datsun 2.8s are well > developed but I know little about them. I'm building a merc m110 twin > cam, a shade under 3 litres, capable of 300 hp at present but its heavily > modified. > > > On Friday, July 26, 2013, Larry Mayfield wrote: > >> Considerations for a future year motors for the Salt Flats car. Just some >> thoughts and interest questions... >> >> What are choices for a twin or sohc engine just under 3 liters? all motor >> ideas (ie no power adders). Current record is 200.xx >> >> What are the choices for a just under 2 liter 4 banger? >> >> Anyone interested in building an Alpine motor, with transmission, for the >> salt car? It will have to be a goer, lol... current record is 178 and >> change.... motor only, no blower or NOS. >> >> Having just spent a box full of money on this motor, if you wanna play >> anything that is to be built needs to have readily available speed parts! >> Custom is NOT the way to save money, lol... >> >> mayf >> >> -- >> ______________________________ >> drmayf >> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. >> 204.913 mph flying mile >> 210.779 mph exit speed >> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/owain.lloyd@** >> gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Best source for parts https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/advcat.asp?CategoryID=ENGINE Ford 2000cc with 285hp http://supertouring.net/ford-volvo-btcc-saug-rennmotor-race-engine-ca-2000cc-285bhp/ 2.0 zetec with 250hp http://www.pdfgeni.org/fd/Ford-Zetec-engine-pdf.html Engine tuning tips http://books.google.com/books?id=p2L-RCMsWJoC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=ford+2000cc+race+engine&source=bl&ots=S47pVW5aXP&sig=dmX4dlFiHtpljT2w-pjtuDaNNOg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=G4vyUfHfApKI9gTy9YCgAw&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=ford%202000cc%20race%20engine&f=false Michael Shortt On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Smit, Theo wrote: > For a sub-2-liter engine, the Honda S2000 engine might cut it... You would > need to look a how much higher you could safely push the redline to get > more > than the stock 240 hp though. > The mx-3 v6 at 1.8 liters could be interesting as well as the JDM inline-6 > engines from Nissan. More valves equals more breathing potential... > Theo > > > > > On 2013-07-26, at 8:15 AM, "Larry Mayfield" wrote: > > > Considerations for a future year motors for the Salt Flats car. Just some > thoughts and interest questions... > > > > What are choices for a twin or sohc engine just under 3 liters? all > motor > ideas (ie no power adders). Current record is 200.xx > > > > What are the choices for a just under 2 liter 4 banger? > > > > Anyone interested in building an Alpine motor, with transmission, for the > salt car? It will have to be a goer, lol... current record is 178 and > change.... motor only, no blower or NOS. > > > > Having just spent a box full of money on this motor, if you wanna play > anything that is to be built needs to have readily available speed parts! > Custom is NOT the way to save money, lol... > > > > mayf > > > > -- > > ______________________________ > > drmayf > > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > > 204.913 mph flying mile > > 210.779 mph exit speed > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole > use of > the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential > and/or legally privileged. 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Thank you _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 09:15:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E77440451 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 09:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f173.google.com (mail-vc0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD7E403F5 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 09:15:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id id13so579073vcb.32 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:15:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NNYjfcPiJmsWVIiT2YNiXgHSsk50zj+HhmPqYNgGeqc=; b=qe3BK2OPkCVXMFoNowTdJ/NioFvPYHZmMn0KyYzFF0wohOQs7FES6MSY9rM3FILkDP HcbT9ZG7zhgLkO5nOHC9glV1Xt5fbKgDC9h+jUq0W8AaXNJ3EUj2+uMda/8eqbMOK03e rW8TieNC7dJt0iFE64n23+dEd454BonM/ZtNE1PTjhpuxYhPHYHY72Uz9M7AAzk8zOVo ijio9Kxh2c/YJLtUqCKJLZ7MzswN57MFSuMIeia6bOWnzprwpbkTEb87JqMG8CfmHSBm k7T3h6h6tGUuJ1gpZJGTwzPWo/1Hkkkvcm8A7WarZaMiGUZG41O7tso2pp7MVrOq/A2a QbrA== a18mr16888386vej.86.1374851701321; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.37.67 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:15:01 -0700 (PDT) References: <51F2846A.6010300@mayfco.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:15:01 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ah yes - of course the Zetec would be best bang for buck. 280hp is cheap as chips from a Zetec. On Friday, July 26, 2013, michael@michaelshortt.com wrote: > Best source for parts > https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/advcat.asp?CategoryID=ENGINE > > Ford 2000cc with 285hp > > http://supertouring.net/ford-volvo-btcc-saug-rennmotor-race-engine-ca-2000cc-285bhp/ > > 2.0 zetec with 250hp > http://www.pdfgeni.org/fd/Ford-Zetec-engine-pdf.html > > Engine tuning tips > > http://books.google.com/books?id=p2L-RCMsWJoC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=ford+2000cc+race+engine&source=bl&ots=S47pVW5aXP&sig=dmX4dlFiHtpljT2w-pjtuDaNNOg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=G4vyUfHfApKI9gTy9YCgAw&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=ford%202000cc%20race%20engine&f=false > > > Michael Shortt > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Smit, Theo > >wrote: > > > For a sub-2-liter engine, the Honda S2000 engine might cut it... You > would > > need to look a how much higher you could safely push the redline to get > > more > > than the stock 240 hp though. > > The mx-3 v6 at 1.8 liters could be interesting as well as the JDM > inline-6 > > engines from Nissan. More valves equals more breathing potential... > > Theo > > > > > > > > > > On 2013-07-26, at 8:15 AM, "Larry Mayfield" > > wrote: > > > > > Considerations for a future year motors for the Salt Flats car. Just > some > > thoughts and interest questions... > > > > > > What are choices for a twin or sohc engine just under 3 liters? all > > motor > > ideas (ie no power adders). Current record is 200.xx > > > > > > What are the choices for a just under 2 liter 4 banger? > > > > > > Anyone interested in building an Alpine motor, with transmission, for > the > > salt car? It will have to be a goer, lol... current record is 178 and > > change.... motor only, no blower or NOS. > > > > > > Having just spent a box full of money on this motor, if you wanna play > > anything that is to be built needs to have readily available speed parts! > > Custom is NOT the way to save money, lol... > > > > > > mayf > > > > > > -- > > > ______________________________ > > > drmayf > > > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > > > 204.913 mph flying mile > > > 210.779 mph exit speed > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole > > use of > > the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be > confidential > > and/or legally privileged. 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Thank you > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 09:45:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23734041B for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 09:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com [159.54.39.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AE8403F5 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 09:44:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXHC02.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.20.1.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3377A346426; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::d1ee:ba6b:7083:d0d]) by ENT-MOCEXHC02.us.ad.gannett.com ([172.20.1.48]) with mapi; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:44:41 -0400 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:44:45 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Thread-Index: Ac6KCpJRPe+8xDcHS0a8X0IXqAhUZQADGqNw References: <51F2846A.6010300@mayfco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net What class are you thinking of running the car in? -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 7:15 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Considerations for a future year motors for the Salt Flats car. Just some thoughts and interest questions... What are choices for a twin or sohc engine just under 3 liters? all motor ideas (ie no power adders). Current record is 200.xx What are the choices for a just under 2 liter 4 banger? Anyone interested in building an Alpine motor, with transmission, for the salt car? It will have to be a goer, lol... current record is 178 and change.... motor only, no blower or NOS. Having just spent a box full of money on this motor, if you wanna play anything that is to be built needs to have readily available speed parts! Custom is NOT the way to save money, lol... mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 12:13:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB9940435 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:13:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CE1403C5 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:09:53 -0600 (MDT) a=JAY1dAhf1mjzVITC+/sjcQ==:17 a=fERs1dMV8CEA:10 a=kksFNIR72FoA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=8az8hLGphBUA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=n2ibBdfIAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=LRxVnXnTAAAA:8 a=DZ2Cpn43AAAA:8 a=gp9nOmt2AAAA:8 a=1XWaLZrsAAAA:8 a=gceyuhmBAAAA:8 a=Or_tTDS8AAAA:8 a=L3htIDpXEUuoxR5cNwsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m5A0MZF0-14A:10 a=8zS5Jlw8g-sA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=w0OZ4CfRH7AA:10 a=uZvyPsGTLYUA:10 a=7F_hI6ufVzMA:10 a=ZU3AcOB0ycP62jW3:21 a=0x3jwpvuumzrg_ic:21 a=JAY1dAhf1mjzVITC+/sjcQ==:117 Received: from [75.190.185.180] ([75.190.185.180:3796] helo=D32K5JC1) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A6/3B-14128-F6BB2F15; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:09:52 +0000 From: "Sigma Engineering" To: References: <51F2846A.6010300@mayfco.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:10:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have a bone stock 1996 2.0 zetec sitting in my garage....only 250 miles since new. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owain Lloyd" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... > Ah yes - of course the Zetec would be best bang for buck. 280hp is cheap > as chips from a Zetec. > > On Friday, July 26, 2013, michael@michaelshortt.com wrote: > >> Best source for parts >> https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/advcat.asp?CategoryID=ENGINE >> >> Ford 2000cc with 285hp >> >> http://supertouring.net/ford-volvo-btcc-saug-rennmotor-race-engine-ca-2000cc-285bhp/ >> >> 2.0 zetec with 250hp >> http://www.pdfgeni.org/fd/Ford-Zetec-engine-pdf.html >> >> Engine tuning tips >> >> http://books.google.com/books?id=p2L-RCMsWJoC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=ford+2000cc+race+engine&source=bl&ots=S47pVW5aXP&sig=dmX4dlFiHtpljT2w-pjtuDaNNOg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=G4vyUfHfApKI9gTy9YCgAw&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=ford%202000cc%20race%20engine&f=false >> >> >> Michael Shortt >> >> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Smit, Theo >> >> >wrote: >> >> > For a sub-2-liter engine, the Honda S2000 engine might cut it... You >> would >> > need to look a how much higher you could safely push the redline to get >> > more >> > than the stock 240 hp though. >> > The mx-3 v6 at 1.8 liters could be interesting as well as the JDM >> inline-6 >> > engines from Nissan. More valves equals more breathing potential... >> > Theo >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 2013-07-26, at 8:15 AM, "Larry Mayfield" >> > > >> wrote: >> > >> > > Considerations for a future year motors for the Salt Flats car. Just >> some >> > thoughts and interest questions... >> > > >> > > What are choices for a twin or sohc engine just under 3 liters? all >> > motor >> > ideas (ie no power adders). Current record is 200.xx >> > > >> > > What are the choices for a just under 2 liter 4 banger? >> > > >> > > Anyone interested in building an Alpine motor, with transmission, for >> the >> > salt car? It will have to be a goer, lol... current record is 178 and >> > change.... motor only, no blower or NOS. >> > > >> > > Having just spent a box full of money on this motor, if you wanna >> > > play >> > anything that is to be built needs to have readily available speed >> > parts! >> > Custom is NOT the way to save money, lol... >> > > >> > > mayf >> > > >> > > -- >> > > ______________________________ >> > > drmayf >> > > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. >> > > 204.913 mph flying mile >> > > 210.779 mph exit speed >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > >> > > tigers@autox.team.net >> > > >> > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole >> > use of >> > the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be >> confidential >> > and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, >> please >> > notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any >> > disclosure, >> > copying, distribution or use of this communication (including >> attachments) >> > by >> > someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > tigers@autox.team.net >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Michael L. Shortt >> Savannah, Georgia >> www.michaelshortt.com >> michael@michaelshortt.com >> 912-232-9390 >> >> >> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >> privileged. 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Thank you >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sigmaengr@carolina.rr.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 13:35:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2343E4041D for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:35:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2lp0204.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C6B403C5 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:35:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLUPR06MB193.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.242.191.143) by BLUPR06MB194.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.242.191.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.731.12; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 19:35:18 +0000 Received: from BLUPR06MB193.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.13.40]) by BLUPR06MB193.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.13.244]) with mapi id 15.00.0731.000; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 19:35:17 +0000 From: Larry Wright To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: About: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net "From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 7:15 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Considerations for a future year motors for the Salt Flats car. Just some thoughts and interest questions... (SNIP) What are the choices for a just under 2 liter 4 banger?" First thing I thought of was the Nissan SR20DE. Back before we sold our 200SX SE-R and I was on their e-mail list, I recall reading of guys getting 425HP all-motor with the stock bottom end and I'll bet more now, years later. Lower redline, stock, than the S2000 motor but I loved the torque curve. YMMV. By the way, I've been gone a while... where did everybody go? I hit the CAT web forum now but not a huge amount going on there either. I see the habit of not editing when replying continues, on the digest I get entire strings multiple times on one Digest -- and sometimes entire digests multiple times. Larry Wright Seabrook, MD _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 20:42:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3E840435 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304CC40409 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:39:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MQK00GAAQ17SQE0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:39:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <51F2846A.6010300@mayfco.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 19:39:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >>>On the cheap side you could get close to 300 from a pinto 2.0.<<< I've got one of those sitting on the patio from when I put a 2.3 - turbo in my Pinto. Wow, 300 HP. The 2.0 was pretty gutless behind a C-4 in stock tune. Buddy Ingersoll sure knew how to get power out of the 2.3 with a turbo. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 21:17:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8464043D for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:17:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CC1403C6 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:17:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id oz10so1762279veb.31 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:17:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ZhB1hImL2MBjcVxPR7/UoLWlgbcj3GjjNYO0DjtLPlI=; b=njtx/2KdzT4L7lGSer3GiDKZQ3mZgcYXRiuu377v+Egef3n2QQxeWKEv8wJQokhajk KpMQ/sWzrMwkn0tcig6NcPeGZv0sx46YFEjBC3tSWiecUxC44v40iavyIuioQ4nTtohb 5As4sdnx5OlqqayDWj77B+q6QyEBqWCSvKn60i24iF09cl95A8thnhDt9WytMQcetXZr TMcLGEIa9/EbffPMC7Hslr8JLM9yVm/fUN8aiMtl2uLKeSmjNsITbBHqXsW+jK7N6EEF qyKT3mQWDY23yYHvCMqo/YtemAWLeA8WCvxciVzS0wG3CHo1UTei8Bhgv1xM78sjZrxd 02Qg== a18mr18143883vej.86.1374895021060; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.37.67 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:17:00 -0700 (PDT) References: <51F2846A.6010300@mayfco.com> <896098A2C9D647F98B2147FFA20559E1@optiplex3301> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 23:17:00 -0400 From: Owain Lloyd To: Thomas Witt Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Certainly gutless in stock form, however..... Read Vizard - ford SOHC. That was published in '83. Times have moved on even further since. The pinto, being used in the rs2000, is still very actively tuned in Europe, where the escort continues to reign supreme, being the only classic capable of beating a modern rally car. (Ps if you want to get rid of that stock 2.0, I may be interested....) On Friday, July 26, 2013, Thomas Witt wrote: > On the cheap side you could get close to 300 from a pinto 2.0.<<< >>>> >>> > I've got one of those sitting on the patio from when I put a 2.3 - turbo > in my Pinto. Wow, 300 HP. The 2.0 was pretty gutless behind a C-4 in stock > tune. Buddy Ingersoll sure knew how to get power out of the 2.3 with a > turbo. ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/owain.lloyd@** > gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 28 04:35:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232EA40452 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 04:35:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D63C403E6 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 04:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 35863700000AC for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 06:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mfa004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.156]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 03086E000081 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 06:32:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 06:32:54 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1375007575; bh=61DH3x3jiZNi/BVf6lrmPX3GEqhvG/jD1EU3q4r2YQA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Sr270ciENJmBccwhi4qbioECxvteDq32A7izWZP38HNtcg/hp7w8LGdaJxGzfvIey moRZk4B1EeDJTdVvpvwMSIbQtA4NtMPArwb75/z/17uxNuVg/j8Uc/UnxNHPWfNKXh GyutYh3kdjkzuLDiX/+RJZrYn6x3AGTeNC2bZjnE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d51f4f357012a Subject: [Tigers] Need a Filter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.ebay.com/itm/K-N-E-2859-Replacement-Air-Filter-/321052753290?hash =item4ac03c3d8a&item=321052753290&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp= mtr _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 28 06:59:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143A140449 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 06:59:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18AC40395 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 06:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6SCw7u8013793 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 05:58:46 -0700 Received: by dm0215.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9f1d) id dm0215.51f02a12.29c80 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 05:58:40 -0700 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 05:58:32 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <9b674.71ac4039.3f264d56@aol.com> engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-28_05:2013-07-26,2013-07-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307280056 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Need a Filter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, but it has FREE shipping!!!! mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 7/28/2013 3:32 AM, AAAGLASSS@aol.com wrote: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/K-N-E-2859-Replacement-Air-Filter-/321052753290?hash > =item4ac03c3d8a&item=321052753290&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp= > mtr > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 28 07:55:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607734044E for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f51.google.com (mail-oa0-f51.google.com [209.85.219.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314FE4039F for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:54:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id i4so10961724oah.38 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 06:54:33 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to :thread-index:x-mimeole; bh=qdfSgZgwirBqpWnO7gwdEw4VfirefG/Nbm9e9sntaok=; b=T2GP3j8CJBsJSE4Salh29N6ljG8FK0tO/RgpEIxnC0+zMlxpWuh7EkiEUbaJuq0ckf WibLO0R9VFb7vVVNLSCcxX84qjAsNTdslo069nSv377eLO2Dld82pFf1nrqTKY6CXhn2 xqyPb2+PRseYfJK3ziD11K+BDN0dsCHT5UzTcvuz8eCtyxzJkI25GdgYUJm7FSqv1ugf KIwfMC+in2aQ7r3pY5kt2WPoQdVZRMFg2y4bdcnDRiZpJdVfB4p48EAGqDWxz7/gjisy 6hQ4T0BKyH04zej3hSPv8Sz/qS6/q33nMbUsFCIydvk0ZvqFCk8mlu1HiEbFmm19bBxl cHDQ== ox6mr54832246oeb.66.1375019673624; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 06:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from delld630 (adsl-75-10-153-42.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net. [75.10.153.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id tv3sm80999112obb.8.2013.07.28.06.54.32 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Jul 2013 06:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark Rense" To: References: <51F2846A.6010300@mayfco.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:54:32 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6KCsiXnhSN0LMPSOWdjFRhkMkAxwBjodKA Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The latest M-B AMG sedan is the "little" CLA45, I has a two liter turbo four rated at 355 hp. That's 135 more than my old SVO Mustang's turbo 2.3, which was pretty hot snot in '86! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 10:15 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Considerations for a future year motors for the Salt Flats car. Just some thoughts and interest questions... What are choices for a twin or sohc engine just under 3 liters? all motor ideas (ie no power adders). Current record is 200.xx What are the choices for a just under 2 liter 4 banger? Anyone interested in building an Alpine motor, with transmission, for the salt car? It will have to be a goer, lol... current record is 178 and change.... motor only, no blower or NOS. Having just spent a box full of money on this motor, if you wanna play anything that is to be built needs to have readily available speed parts! Custom is NOT the way to save money, lol... mayf _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 28 08:13:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932B94051C for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f44.google.com (unknown [209.85.219.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC4440359 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id l20so7683690oag.3 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:12:41 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=0kQ9P4/kC6iZ/kNnaA/U6aTi8KZuyoEC6kUAh9fmKQY=; b=RO7WstNqveeBjnDpIwBcON6iPd79EvABG6M35TI6pG7XdIBf/8ehwhVXR4wZX0OZPA KALVCkybtiJJsXKWIkqYW5fr4zdACeuBbCWaBLjESDbt3VEWYodQraHulgHJ3LZDxcmS 3uxInxzGGUe9+umkdWLr6qXX0pRt7JTuNic88gEQ3OFG6h2WJaEyWeWNyqGejG2WD2Lv GAmQYEEqf9EpEMsam7yKY7UcVb4BDa11B9lgLi9p5rzWcd3S+ds/cTWEpmvgOL59YLEA LBPKxEvJgyQs1Dh/2ZK1duc/fttrA2CUZOX7qitNmE769ZEj/AxZvcO/1k1Dq+Hzd2ea J7vQ== pw2mr48746810obc.80.1375020761515; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([8.28.240.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ya5sm73652640obc.1.2013.07.28.07.12.39 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:12:40 -0700 (PDT) References: <51F2846A.6010300@mayfco.com> From: Cullen McCann Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:12:36 -0500 To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mayf, I am not well versed but I have seen BIG power made out of the gm "ecotec" that was around a couple of decades ago. I dont know if a non-ford motor is even an idea. BLASPHEMY! ;) They are a variable valve timing DOHC inline 4... And it's my understanding that there is gobs of aftermarket support and components available. I've heard of people making hundreds of horsepower out of them...and there is a family of motors that is AT 2.0 liters.... Not sure about under. Haven't checked that much. But it came to mind as a successful solution in that size. Here is an article http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engine/hrdp_0907_gm_ecotec_bolt_ons/photo_ 01.html Cullen Sent from my iPad On Jul 26, 2013, at 9:15 AM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Considerations for a future year motors for the Salt Flats car. Just some thoughts and interest questions... > > What are choices for a twin or sohc engine just under 3 liters? all motor ideas (ie no power adders). Current record is 200.xx > > What are the choices for a just under 2 liter 4 banger? > > Anyone interested in building an Alpine motor, with transmission, for the salt car? It will have to be a goer, lol... current record is 178 and change.... motor only, no blower or NOS. > > Having just spent a box full of money on this motor, if you wanna play anything that is to be built needs to have readily available speed parts! Custom is NOT the way to save money, lol... > > mayf > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 28 08:15:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690E2403D9 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C952040381 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:15:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6SE7oCS025244 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:15:07 -0700 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9f1d) id dm0224.51f029fd.7867a for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:15:07 -0700 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:15:01 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-28_05:2013-07-26,2013-07-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307280065 Subject: [Tigers] Oil and Filter Recommendations... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, so I have drained the break in oil (Shell Rotella T 15W 40, from the new race motor and cleaned out the pan. Now it is time to put in the really good (read expensive) stuff. I know some of you build race motors for on track service so how about you foltks telling me, and the rest of us, what you recommend for a filter for race and which synthetic oil you think is best? The salt flats motor has basically all standard bearing clearances and some of the newer metric piston rings, gap less. Roller lifters, roller rockers, timing chain Torrington thrust bearing. All pretty standard stuff... Good race journal bearings. The motor will get HOT during a full boogie down range run. Whadda ya think? Tell me? mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 28 08:26:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0745D40519 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:26:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339AD403D9 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:26:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6SEP6RO003730 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:26:18 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9f1d) id dm0213.51f02a18.66332 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:26:18 -0700 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:26:14 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <51F2846A.6010300@mayfco.com> <62B830B8C8D14C13A3F725D0F173F08E@delld630> engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-28_05:2013-07-26,2013-07-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307280068 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, folk. Somehow it seems that the note that the next generation of motor(s) for the salt flats car has to be all motor. That means no blowers, no turbos, no NOS, just motor. Can be a really high tech sucker, but NO power adders. Now, some have mentioned the power output of the 2.3 liter Pinto derivative motors. I have a friend in Detroit who ran a Merkur with one that he spared no expense to build and tune which put out 750 reliable HP. Of course that was turbocharged and he ran two intercoolers as well. The first one was the conventional ice water air and the second one he used NOS to cool the already chilled air even more. It pushed the Merkur to a 225 or so record. I do not want to run power adders for the next gen motors for the sunbeam salt car... mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 28 09:37:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A03F403D9 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:37:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f44.google.com (mail-oa0-f44.google.com [209.85.219.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF8D4032B for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:37:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id l20so7647226oag.31 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:37:14 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to :thread-index:x-mimeole; bh=222Mf6tKRx7rTAQeq0BUUA+EkrWdFXIFnfYil8acZ6A=; b=gUBk1bWnMp7jrWspymPi51VVkwWeFWLQCtEf68eiREWX6znsS4avkUjHYcz7Kd1GSz VWGOnYvMDfu+j/eKNKliA2m8W/PywF+JvW72I8R5rJ+bfbCWTP2QLR/87XqGKxwj0rNi 7IJyrxfSOXtlXgebZDWIVhRzS3i/CmY3kTqzCg+XGB4VWUrcMlBJCFDLrnyGk/Ox8I56 qwrrcv9gQADcXDsuyM+JNxpUpfM3el0bLVJiuqxb+ssmPi+1OV/gjdaBhOa22Aky73DW 33mYrhMtQdP5sPZUo1wI7HUaMeVB1KPQ2PSJaKrGjYgkPXAK6+psV6tE8kU0y15fTnzP grYA== pn15mr54746306oeb.99.1375025834088; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from delld630 (adsl-75-10-153-42.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net. [75.10.153.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g1sm82406728oeq.6.2013.07.28.08.37.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:37:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark Rense" To: , References: <51F2846A.6010300@mayfco.com><62B830B8C8D14C13A3F725D0F173F08E@delld630> <51F52A06.2050403@mayfco.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:37:12 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6Lnooy7eLGMri+TXePzNOgdyYcnQABmB4g Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dr Mayf, How about listing ALL the class restrictions? - max number of cylinders allowed - max number valves per cylinder - cam shaft configuration limitations (OHV, OHC, DOHC, L-head, pocket valve)? - type of fuel allowed (Pump gas, 110 Sunoco, whale oil)? - any other internal component limitations (rod/crank material)? - induction limitations (FI, Carbs, DFI, wetted wick)? Assuming four cylinders, I still vote for the Honda F20C from the earlier S2000 if all its OEM trickery is allowable. Close to 300 hp with cams, injectors and bigger throttle body. More if cubic dollars (bucks to the third) are thrown at the heads. This engine tolerates over 700 hp on turbo/NO2, so you know it is a stout platform. Lots of YouTube idiocy with these engines. You will not get that power level from a normally-aspirated Pinto/Capri engine. Bugz PS As to oils, see who can offer you a sponsorship, most racing synthetics today are superb. When I raced professionally we ran Redline oils and Wix filters. Good stuff. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:26 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Ok, folk. Somehow it seems that the note that the next generation of motor(s) for the salt flats car has to be all motor. That means no blowers, no turbos, no NOS, just motor. Can be a really high tech sucker, but NO power adders. Now, some have mentioned the power output of the 2.3 liter Pinto derivative motors. I have a friend in Detroit who ran a Merkur with one that he spared no expense to build and tune which put out 750 reliable HP. Of course that was turbocharged and he ran two intercoolers as well. The first one was the conventional ice water air and the second one he used NOS to cool the already chilled air even more. It pushed the Merkur to a 225 or so record. I do not want to run power adders for the next gen motors for the sunbeam salt car... mayf _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 28 10:53:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB854052D for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 10:53:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE5D403D7 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 10:52:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r6SGnvG1011008; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:53:43 -0700 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9f1d) id dm0225.51f029fb.7a78e; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:52:46 -0700 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:52:42 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: Mark Rense References: <51F2846A.6010300@mayfco.com><62B830B8C8D14C13A3F725D0F173F08E@delld630> <51F52A06.2050403@mayfco.com> <5B93C8EB1FE54C71972233D6398DE373@delld630> engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-28_06:2013-07-26,2013-07-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1307280089 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, the basic restrictions to engines are: 1. Motors are blown, unblown This next genb is UNBLOWN 2. Fuels are either Fuel, ie nitometnhane, alcohol, NOS, gasoline Propane, electrical... NExt gen motor is GASOLINE. No limitations on octane ratings but has to be purchased fromt eh event gas sup-plier IF running for a record 3. Displacement are F which is 123.00 - 183.99 cid or G which is 93.00 to 122.99 cid. 4. Any cam or valve arrangements. 5. Any compression ratio 6. Car class is Modified Sports. I.e. no t a production car. Car has to retain stock body panels from cowl to taillights which also have to be run... 7. Run any internals for the engine you want. But, as I said custom junk is expensive. 8. No induction limitations since this is for a modified sports class. So, summary is no blower, no turbo, no NOS, gasoline only, any compression ratio, any number of cams and valves, any crank any rods, just has to fit int he displacement class (and they check..if within 3% of the upper or lower limits the have you tear down the motor right there to physically measure the dimensions). So, I had already summarized the rules for everyone. let me repeat though. this is not s shouting match foe every body to see just how wild they can get with exotic motors for me to build. I already built two motors and this last one, even with parts help (and my age), was expensive as all get out. Now I am hoping for somebody else to pitch in... If all the parts had to have been purchased new for this 260 motor, it would be really expensive, lol. Thanks to lots of folk, I got real parts help on this one... mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 7/28/2013 8:37 AM, Mark Rense wrote: > Dr Mayf, > How about listing ALL the class restrictions? > - max number of cylinders allowed > - max number valves per cylinder > - cam shaft configuration limitations (OHV, OHC, DOHC, L-head, pocket > valve)? > - type of fuel allowed (Pump gas, 110 Sunoco, whale oil)? > - any other internal component limitations (rod/crank material)? > - induction limitations (FI, Carbs, DFI, wetted wick)? > > Assuming four cylinders, I still vote for the Honda F20C from the earlier > S2000 if all its OEM trickery is allowable. Close to 300 hp with cams, > injectors and bigger throttle body. More if cubic dollars (bucks to the > third) are thrown at the heads. This engine tolerates over 700 hp on > turbo/NO2, so you know it is a stout platform. Lots of YouTube idiocy with > these engines. > > You will not get that power level from a normally-aspirated Pinto/Capri > engine. > > Bugz > > PS As to oils, see who can offer you a sponsorship, most racing synthetics > today are superb. When I raced professionally we ran Redline oils and Wix > filters. Good stuff. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:26 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... > > Ok, folk. Somehow it seems that the note that the next generation of > motor(s) for the salt flats car has to be all motor. That means no > blowers, no turbos, no NOS, just motor. Can be a really high tech > sucker, but NO power adders. > > Now, some have mentioned the power output of the 2.3 liter Pinto > derivative motors. I have a friend in Detroit who ran a Merkur with one > that he spared no expense to build and tune which put out 750 reliable > HP. Of course that was turbocharged and he ran two intercoolers as > well. The first one was the conventional ice water air and the second > one he used NOS to cool the already chilled air even more. It pushed > the Merkur to a 225 or so record. > > I do not want to run power adders for the next gen motors for the > sunbeam salt car... > > mayf _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 28 11:04:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8BD4052D for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:04:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1BC400FF for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:00:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0ACEF70000099; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 13:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mle002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.199]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D0EE1E000086; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 13:00:41 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 13:00:41 -0400 (EDT) To: drmayf@mayfco.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1375030841; bh=5scf1tSa0KwhZ7yoDe0T0cBwiv8VJi8vW7uYi2B2Zw8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SHrNY5W6zp0vBmPJD/qYDyJtM8tfscDfqq371fGNesMH0SDFWP72QhbS5gtEehfoP QdM+hbZgOf+r6sY2PZZlXKSwr/Cw7rYXda3uN/KggmE4/o5YeiVlKnOnOdHNBoFyQS zMH8/YsGaW2Au5hstLZwD4FmpPsmHBQqFljaQnZg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d51f54e395ef6 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mayf, If you're thinking of putting this proposed engine into a Sunbeam car I'll help by throwing in a few bucks for the cause. Mark L In a message dated 7/28/2013 12:52:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drmayf@mayfco.com writes: Ok, the basic restrictions to engines are: 1. Motors are blown, unblown This next genb is UNBLOWN 2. Fuels are either Fuel, ie nitometnhane, alcohol, NOS, gasoline Propane, electrical... NExt gen motor is GASOLINE. No limitations on _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 28 11:06:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B957140568 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:06:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f52.google.com (unknown [209.85.160.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B824006C for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:03:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id xa12so3737399pbc.39 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 10:03:14 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=JAfSsfDnsJCWvWxyoVBUqpBeiF4/QyIY6te0+eUHkM8=; b=yMwc/8ihwFqlSaOiifLvwkdKlFo10oGg67qYtRv6i23FjhFCx9zLIHXtFZ0b/5TNa2 FjnSUq+kTXhwf55/QVz/TYyG+zHsKHqCK4q/9bNEwCObhQ6gE6Qe8Xj9QyhTs+u+1Xwq hBjOPFUb259DtxUYnbSTZYPrEh9z4wwqHdNLHWV6BsRUB/Yj1iOUvHETJSTMWEj//dTA S6Pv+z/OStZcvCvJwWiBFB+VCC6FxzXTXSkaRm3jWDvaMahQ96nXQVpUBf55rUa1Ioh2 YYeUh92xt6mw/5b2fepU6PuJ/Rh08L1ZFRCQv0O9ha0yKUqA8M99YkwyJ9n/8ZlEawCm zcow== pp3mr63965925pbb.116.1375030993801; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 10:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id sp4sm72032271pbc.45.2013.07.28.10.03.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Jul 2013 10:03:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 10:03:09 -0700 References: <51F2846A.6010300@mayfco.com> <896098A2C9D647F98B2147FFA20559E1@optiplex3301> To: Thomas Witt Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net As I understand it, the 2 liter overhead cam engine in the Pinto and Capri was really a German designed engine for higher revs, and the 2.3 liter was based on a pick up truck engine, and that it was not a bigger version of the German one. My son has an S2000. That's the nicest engine, ever. It was the highest hp per liter of any production car when it was first made. When it crosses into that magical area of VTEC, the noise it makes is unlike any car - pure F1, a banshie let out of Hell. And if that's not enough for you, there are turbos and superchargers available that really pump it up. If I had a clean slate right now, with no ties to Sunbeams, a Lotus/Caterham 7 with an S2000 would be unmatched. On Jul 26, 2013, at 7:39 PM, Thomas Witt wrote: >>>> On the cheap side you could get close to 300 from a pinto 2.0.<<< > > I've got one of those sitting on the patio from when I put a 2.3 - turbo in my Pinto. Wow, 300 HP. The 2.0 was pretty gutless behind a C-4 in stock tune. Buddy Ingersoll sure knew how to get power out of the 2.3 with a turbo. _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 28 11:07:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F492406A5 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f49.google.com (mail-pa0-f49.google.com [209.85.220.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793B740074 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:05:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id bi5so4975322pad.36 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 10:05:29 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=ZJaKUrC/KMOi7z0A9W2RASOpL8qfczCdff4b+FrfpM0=; b=VvFDPvCl2/DawvCEnFCj7bf2OoxBmUJxLjmdHuYYuLJejHfDlyVXkCdgy4Y6oh8SKk Vbp0UaACaPrQs3/5XTsrxiYbZTFOHz9ZpyRPzZv5C+FDvl9WJJiZ6wP482Aj/bQLaIQe opR4linoWtOCJELnY+Rh15kxPLwu9Qzq75lrbXQonrsnblsGeTKlkO8dAKf7BHK+tTg3 XXi9TQnUxTyBKTXZRjuqNz6kEq2eowyZCv4IGuEjmdILD6yVgJznx/+q97qCKXYrw4Gg 2szEHyXVLoLqvASyQ0D7n5Uuk5f2dQYpKWAligmpVAefRF7rd+Op/Y3DfuiIisPdB6hb +F6Q== i4mr22476379pbg.139.1375031129216; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 10:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x8sm72061693pbb.39.2013.07.28.10.05.27 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Jul 2013 10:05:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Laifman Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 10:05:24 -0700 References: <51F2846A.6010300@mayfco.com><62B830B8C8D14C13A3F725D0F173F08E@delld630> <51F52A06.2050403@mayfco.com> <5B93C8EB1FE54C71972233D6398DE373@delld630> <51F54C5A.9040808@mayfco.com> To: drmayf@mayfco.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I might add that the S2000 is routinely raced. And it has been a top winner in SCCA Autocross for years. So, there should be lots of resources out there for performance mods and racing upgrades. On Jul 28, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Ok, the basic restrictions to engines are: > 1. Motors are blown, unblown This next genb is UNBLOWN > 2. Fuels are either Fuel, ie nitometnhane, alcohol, NOS, gasoline Propane, electrical... NExt gen motor is GASOLINE. No limitations on octane ratings but has to be purchased fromt eh event gas sup-plier IF running for a record > 3. Displacement are F which is 123.00 - 183.99 cid or G which is 93.00 to 122.99 cid. > 4. Any cam or valve arrangements. > 5. Any compression ratio > 6. Car class is Modified Sports. I.e. no t a production car. Car has to retain stock body panels from cowl to taillights which also have to be run... > 7. Run any internals for the engine you want. But, as I said custom junk is expensive. > 8. No induction limitations since this is for a modified sports class. > > So, summary is no blower, no turbo, no NOS, gasoline only, any compression ratio, any number of cams and valves, any crank any rods, just has to fit int he displacement class (and they check..if within 3% of the upper or lower limits the have you tear down the motor right there to physically measure the dimensions). > > So, I had already summarized the rules for everyone. > > let me repeat though. this is not s shouting match foe every body to see just how wild they can get with exotic motors for me to build. I already built two motors and this last one, even with parts help (and my age), was expensive as all get out. Now I am hoping for somebody else to pitch in... If all the parts had to have been purchased new for this 260 motor, it would be really expensive, lol. Thanks to lots of folk, I got real parts help on this one... > > > > mayf > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > > On 7/28/2013 8:37 AM, Mark Rense wrote: >> Dr Mayf, >> How about listing ALL the class restrictions? >> - max number of cylinders allowed >> - max number valves per cylinder >> - cam shaft configuration limitations (OHV, OHC, DOHC, L-head, pocket >> valve)? >> - type of fuel allowed (Pump gas, 110 Sunoco, whale oil)? >> - any other internal component limitations (rod/crank material)? >> - induction limitations (FI, Carbs, DFI, wetted wick)? >> >> Assuming four cylinders, I still vote for the Honda F20C from the earlier >> S2000 if all its OEM trickery is allowable. Close to 300 hp with cams, >> injectors and bigger throttle body. More if cubic dollars (bucks to the >> third) are thrown at the heads. This engine tolerates over 700 hp on >> turbo/NO2, so you know it is a stout platform. Lots of YouTube idiocy with >> these engines. >> >> You will not get that power level from a normally-aspirated Pinto/Capri >> engine. >> >> Bugz >> >> PS As to oils, see who can offer you a sponsorship, most racing synthetics >> today are superb. When I raced professionally we ran Redline oils and Wix >> filters. Good stuff. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield >> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:26 AM >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thinking Ahead... >> >> Ok, folk. Somehow it seems that the note that the next generation of >> motor(s) for the salt flats car has to be all motor. That means no >> blowers, no turbos, no NOS, just motor. Can be a really high tech >> sucker, but NO power adders. >> >> Now, some have mentioned the power output of the 2.3 liter Pinto >> derivative motors. I have a friend in Detroit who ran a Merkur with one >> that he spared no expense to build and tune which put out 750 reliable >> HP. Of course that was turbocharged and he ran two intercoolers as >> well. The first one was the conventional ice water air and the second >> one he used NOS to cool the already chilled air even more. It pushed >> the Merkur to a 225 or so record. >> >> I do not want to run power adders for the next gen motors for the >> sunbeam salt car... >> >> mayf > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 28 12:49:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01EC240531 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:49:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CBA540413 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:49:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.167] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2013 18:49:27 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.239] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2013 18:49:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2013 18:49:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 97498 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2013 18:49:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375037366; bh=NXXOlfq8m7RvC3iBH+k2NUt9OrN5UNcFKxOQoQwb9fY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mYDqdlzUJkVzMBxBga+XgUyqJIXLtoMB32QDIQ/AavfXK560lW21NivWxWWzcUo7O2r2MITNDFRtC9MIUn3K/cseIImheeFFg0GXqHLrRF9eG1nOoTs1sTH4RzPQ8S5XWNQ9JvfRUTbe+ioX+zBEM876W88PSgkmflB2ARvRGnk= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UO/R8SpgGd/oznbf5Wafxf8uRS9Zy5I2sB8wWvdeozNkIBHorVQ8Jx87bBmK6oUvp2YRxTefjeqpDEyUIw4TjNd5UsCRNwuswB3UFbIuy/NoIUEfdzRqEwrgo2RRUfYh3GSlKGWb0jKwltYg/tJw7ec5MQnf3deuEXrgu7Hg5Kw=; DFCj0T8DD_3_XNczj.yAdMS_fg_wPQoC0TlJ4TTEScs3r6vEuSLeZNn4vWpP zQhcVwleHaU29RD7H0s9dKAyS1WZFANW.TUpwb1pMCtvClrJhg0DVRo4MDhP IghpUrE3x5LX_7i4N1LPF_RetfgXwlULlQKr5PdxbnXEaSl3djGHiNc10_PE cxY4gqf73f9HtMSigh4TXed_seN.OvTjL.DWpBqHef15yGwP9_2QNE6Pz2dS dQvUw.C.U7sH._NFIIuotmgZkB3u6QE8iOPDIW4JP62qPq5mSZtUR398.5X0 G73rhqoGswcI_88QbwLGHwU.WqPMKIvPM.NIs4UrHqCRz4an_BXTbKH4k_Sv zzbd1APWsH7wPN8Udr4aIy2FMTTDQrRXZRjr67bIjqPEFS58YZUqdVbP3vsg 2DXnp0TuZ_DOdK8r0r0vxAT9SFwtvud83f4Q4GDyAAYa00fwyExR.U.zmMbD h9lqirZF5W0.UQFiJyz6ydEF82CeCxj4nDhzRDQRtak817Nw.kRspiBo0Qf3 QWmI9LjqiZhD6Rw-- Received: from [76.101.230.63] by web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:49:26 PDT SXQncyB0aGF0IHRpbWUgb2YgdGhlIHllYXIgZm9yIGFsbCBvZiB1cyB0byBhdm9pZCB0aGUgbG9vc2Ugb3IgbG9zdCB3aGVlbHMuwqAgSSByZW1pbmQgZXZlcnlvbmUgdG8gY2hlY2sgdGhlIGx1Z3Mgb24geW91ciB3aGVlbHMuwqAgSSBhbG1vc3QgbG9zdCBhIHdoZWVsIHNldmVyYWwgeWVhcnMgYWdvIGJlY2F1c2UgSSBmb3Jnb3QgdG8gY2hlY2suwqAgU2F2ZSB5b3Vyc2VsZiBhIGxvdCBvZiBtaXNlcnkuwqAgQ2hlY2sgdGhlbSBvdXQuLi4uLi4uLgoKUGF1bCBSIFNoZWFoYW4KVGhlIFBhdWwgUi4gU2hlYWgBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:49:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul R Sheahan To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Semi Annual Lug Nut Tightning Event Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It's that time of the year for all of us to avoid the loose or lost wheels. I remind everyone to check the lugs on your wheels. I almost lost a wheel several years ago because I forgot to check. Save yourself a lot of misery. Check them out........ Paul R Sheahan The Paul R. Sheahan Company (239)732-1704 Office (704)564-3831 Cell _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 28 13:01:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1CEE40439 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 13:01:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f176.google.com (mail-qc0-f176.google.com [209.85.216.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A393640413 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:59:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id u12so1139200qcx.21 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:59:20 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=4IyG+GoBiat6WFUnQWYt7cYkwoApTo4IxOpfsAWmpZw=; b=nDngVf5D5sRenJ6ffmWQsnuMZ53iY+Jg3YgIfFIhyTz9P6LqwkAMQXv3zxfNhnYJbS 0Pg+fE4qNrFwlPZhulVJNpbucFbqD06xBQ4WwBLycGvP+Sc0HRDZbINpihhLRQ76MHuH fNzqtd4c+oRjJwJH4ehJ8zG8eqQzN33UKhCd7SyLM7EFtoD1fKBYiVS2XxGpeXLKKxZg 06co56QuFtl1ZM6X9xvzf0CqsQ9x1LgkBCI1TYJePQ60g7d37yQ59M8yqA7Wmp13nAAY IYh+pkkl9wJRvqackNfG5OF7SlBLqOaczKF/wKaR0GfTM1rPOZJSru+pGeC21IItXRm3 p9aw== f7mr66825564qes.89.1375037960470; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Dell670 (108-82-253-88.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net. [108.82.253.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w2sm72578352qec.8.2013.07.28.11.59.19 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:59:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert D. Hogan" To: References: <1375037366.97408.YahooMailNeo@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 14:59:15 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6Lwzvj9sovv+ksTiK9MN4oEp4/VQAAHSsA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Semi Annual Lug Nut Tightning Event Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Is there a mechanical part resembling a connected dual hole metal strip with bend tabs for retention of hex lug nut position and anti-rotation? Short of using a Loctite thread bond or safety wiring two lug nuts together, how could lug nuts best be secured? -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul R Sheahan Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 2:49 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Semi Annual Lug Nut Tightning Event It's that time of the year for all of us to avoid the loose or lost wheels. I remind everyone to check the lugs on your wheels. I almost lost a wheel several years ago because I forgot to check. Save yourself a lot of misery. Check them out........ Paul R Sheahan The Paul R. Sheahan Company (239)732-1704 Office (704)564-3831 Cell _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robertdhogan@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 28 13:58:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51044406AE for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 13:58:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f179.google.com (mail-lb0-f179.google.com [209.85.217.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B14D40566 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 13:58:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f179.google.com with SMTP id w20so3667800lbh.38 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:58:11 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=2r/ai9312XMZDYEO+47xZo1BPIPFgFurIqZjuTMv3WE=; b=o0cpYZG0meDb2WBjc1aHcETyIK6zebj1+AicmfdBDc8rbBieIrndXUBt9GgIuz24+V 3EX5Zyuc9DBq8evjaqfSoDtNDbGnHIbNRK8F/OtKgcA41Sc+LOqp5k8XVIEkO8k/HHZy CipV7Pgc9Wqgb18WhuPLuMyNp5EZyUmPsVX6Az6HzB/gM/+P72ADRUPm3YRoB4YAqiIY TlIz1k2ZEkJcd4ejWEa/+i5KnP/Hdbq88KxvBfZcRG1tv4OjNAv4GZQHMAtXD03WUhiI jm/D5PTn6IpPKatJPdfb/7h0gnYB/1+f6+xkjTLAJajA9TuaxcQiSmpVzuRDsMtMK4G/ tWdA== Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.4.106 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.4.106 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:58:09 -0700 (PDT) References: <1375037366.97408.YahooMailNeo@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <003a01ce8bc4$8eedc0c0$acc94240$@com> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 15:58:09 -0400 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: "Robert D. Hogan" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Semi Annual Lug Nut Tightning Event Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Torque them to 70lbs when you check air pressures, it takes less than a min per wheel. Use a star pattern. Michael Shortt On Jul 28, 2013 3:02 PM, "Robert D. Hogan" wrote: > Is there a mechanical part resembling a connected dual hole metal strip > with > bend tabs for retention of hex lug nut position and anti-rotation? Short > of > using a Loctite thread bond or safety wiring two lug nuts together, how > could lug nuts best be secured? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Paul R Sheahan > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 2:49 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Semi Annual Lug Nut Tightning Event > > It's that time of the year for all of us to avoid the loose or lost wheels. > I remind everyone to check the lugs on your wheels. I almost lost a wheel > several years ago because I forgot to check. Save yourself a lot of > misery. > > Check them out........ > > Paul R Sheahan > The Paul R. Sheahan Company > (239)732-1704 Office > (704)564-3831 Cell > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robertdhogan@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 28 14:10:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD14406AE for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 14:10:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D924055D for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 14:10:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5vlJ1m0061u4NiL01wAANU; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 20:10:10 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5wAA1m00F2xZMJ48hwAArv; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 20:10:10 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 20:10:10 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: michael@michaelshortt.com s=q20121106; t=1375042210; bh=JMjhMv30m4/HCrowCGcNr/m46bv3CqXGiXGjdKMjeUc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=pAfotffANeNfNFdgxGLH79DWvdlEsTrEMAhgakYniKCwnNWCWnBHZf8miHDvYd9u6 8O4/CVsq/9OxeKGH7YDDAeNdOzQIEqRm1fDULo8hMqAAIs24IEC7fh9UK4lIGMp+DM DxxhDr3OT/Me65dN0OCOwRvaZ1U7ssj66f2px2lm/Ro88W7kGtxF1LXVdXWjEj83WU 5B4s8wFlQZauB+AEZONxt+Pk12vs1wCBjFlBbtPSRDjmdKyaNa+fXFxidiA8NzKTMn L0t++6D6I87DOqrYfuXhH0+jTgcJInqwO48lk2WA28ixU5blRDGSZ+wnc88EwbJ5BG J7SMOg2RGkMkA== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Semi Annual Lug Nut Tightning Event Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net 48 lbs. for stock wheel nuts per shop manual. After market wheels and matching after market nuts seem to hold up under 70 lbs with no problem. So it must be those special taper factory nuts that are the weak link leading to the factory stock setup recommendation of only 48 lbs. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: "Robert D. Hogan" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 2:58:09 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Semi Annual Lug Nut Tightning Event Torque them to 70lbs when you check air pressures, it takes less than a min per wheel. Use a star pattern. Michael Shortt On Jul 28, 2013 3:02 PM, "Robert D. Hogan" wrote: > Is there a mechanical part resembling a connected dual hole metal strip > with > bend tabs for retention of hex lug nut position and anti-rotation? Short > of > using a Loctite thread bond or safety wiring two lug nuts together, how > could lug nuts best be secured? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Paul R Sheahan > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 2:49 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Semi Annual Lug Nut Tightning Event > > It's that time of the year for all of us to avoid the loose or lost wheels. > I remind everyone to check the lugs on your wheels. I almost lost a wheel > several years ago because I forgot to check. Save yourself a lot of > misery. > > Check them out........ > > Paul R Sheahan > The Paul R. Sheahan Company > (239)732-1704 Office > (704)564-3831 Cell > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robertdhogan@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 29 09:23:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8DB40C01 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2lp0238.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25166403C5 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:22:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BY2PR07MB074.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.255.240.154) by BY2PR07MB076.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.255.240.156) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.731.16; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:22:47 +0000 Received: from BY2PR07MB074.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.15.116]) by BY2PR07MB074.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.15.238]) with mapi id 15.00.0731.000; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:22:40 +0000 From: "Taylor, Matthew" To: Tigers List Thread-Topic: Latest issue of Tiger Tracks Thread-Index: Ac6MbkSwFKQIIwKSR5eSddmgrBzrYg== Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:22:40 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [159.153.4.52] x-forefront-prvs: 09222B39F5 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(31014004)(199002)(189002)(76176001)(53806001)(4396001)(56816003)(83072001)(54356001)(63696002)(74706001)(80976001)(77096001)(51856001)(46102001)(47736001)(69226001)(59766001)(47976001)(49866001)(19580395003)(19580385001)(83322001)(77982001)(74876001)(50986001)(74502001)(47446002)(76576001)(66066001)(81342001)(74316001)(76796001)(76786001)(74662001)(80022001)(31966008)(76482001)(15202345003)(74366001)(33646001)(81542001)(54316002)(56776001)(16406001)(79102001)(65816001)(24736002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2PR07MB076; H:BY2PR07MB074.namprd07.prod.outlook.com; CLIP:159.153.4.52; RD:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; Subject: [Tigers] Latest issue of Tiger Tracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The latest issue is on eBay for those that are not currently members of STOA. Great magazine/newsletter with lots of Tiger content and tech. 44 Pages! http://www.ebay.com/itm/161075563436?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m 1423.l2649 Or eBay item # 161075563436 There is also a link to STOA's new website. If you sign up for membership, you can view the first three issues online. See the ebay listing for more info. 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Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 30 09:38:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8834E426C2 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:38:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392664069E for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:37:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3258C700C2E5D; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlb005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.147]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E39BCE00008C; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:37:53 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:37:53 -0400 (EDT) To: drmayf@mayfco.com, land-speed@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1375198674; bh=vPHWpeuPa3SIoA1FcDX+Kvbr3LCqRikgiCkFIC3QNVc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UpZ/P1i4EYQdiIVZzkt7TK8f2GNqYIMwewZeXWN5RAZ0QOAOdmiJ8l6aOUIcCZJuR dT1qsYwVgm+Az1IbfzGRzzb77OQXEkGdH8cyLLbtD1O+H30SHQE+WA0fi0B+Ewd3a0 STJ/DBXrYvostrjos7R7PlucGrbwzK5cOb/R1k38= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb51f7ddd14fdb Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil and Filters...more questions.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mayf, I you decide on Mobile 1 you should check out availability at Costcos and Walmart. Yes, Walmart. When I drove a Mercedes the dealer said use nothing but Mobile 1, 0W-40. Got it at Walmart in 5 qt. contains and was cheaper than any place I could find. Mark L In a message dated 7/30/2013 10:48:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drmayf@mayfco.com writes: Thanks to everyone, I am a lot more informed on oil and filters. The plurality of recommendations for oil was Mobile 1. Ok, works for me. However, within the Mobil 1 oil line up spectrum, there are quite a number of oils in many different weights. The oil needs to be able to do its job under a lot of stress: acceleration of teh car and pushing the air up a steeper and steeper aero hill. It needs to be able to carry the heat away from the internal rotating and sliding parts. I was once told by a local Las Vegas NASCAR motor builder that the pump needed should be a high volume pump, not a high pressure one, so that lots of oil could be pushed through the bearing clearances. It made sense to me. However, the replies I got had oil recommendations from a light weight multi grade oil to heavy single ot at least a very low multi with hight viscosity upper grade: Such as 0W 30 to 0W 50 weights. Ok, those are available and some of them are down right expensive. I am still lacing some information, lol. My motor specs are basically OEM: stock rod and journal bearing clearances, rod to rod clearances are OEM, etc. Valves use bronze guides, etc. I have a high volume pump. But, I am missing the logic and engineering behind the recommendations for the oil grades (hey, what can I say, I am an old engineer). Experience plays a large part or the recommendations, I know. Do the Sprint Cup cars use 0w 50 weight oil? Or do they use lower viscosity multi grade like 0W 30 or even 0W 20? Either way, why? Same for light airplane motors; Those puppies are at work the whole time they are in the air. What oils do they use and why? These are the kinds of things I would like to know regards oils.. For the filters, Mobil 1, Pure one and WIX were recommended. I cut a WIX apart and it appeared to be well made and had specs that said it could remove particle sizes down to approximately (I think I remember) 25 microns. To refresh, a micron is one millionth of a meter. There are 25400 microns per inch or one micron is 0.00003934 inches. So a filter than CAN remove (doesn't say will!) remove a 25 micron particle size or so means that it might let one through that is just under 0.001 inches. Seems to me that that is pretty large given some of the rotating clearances. A lot of the filters said 60 microns! Now, I am guessing that there is a balance between the flow capability and particle size so the sizes are compromises. Seems to me that if the motor is contributing bits and pieces of that size, that it is or may be not long for the world. I like the idea of using a screen with a small mesh before great filter and that between the two it would remove most junk. But is that over kill? The screen can tell me what or if things are starting to come apart. Right now, I am leaning towards Mobil 1, 5W 30 Truck & SUV full synthetic oil used with a good filter such and the Royal Purple, WIX or Mobil 1 filters. I know that yo all use as a group the full spectrum of oil and filter products, so why do you use them? I like technical responses rather than anecdotal ones however, experience and the situation under which the experience was gained is important. Any more replies and responses here? Maybe your comments and thoughts will save some one's expensive motor... anyhoo, thanks for listening... still learning mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 30 13:14:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480B24272A for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 13:14:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f47.google.com (mail-pb0-f47.google.com [209.85.160.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFC44003E; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 13:04:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id rr13so6291247pbb.20 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:04:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=8Nx/5JCTLsyWbAi/xOYk4vZnWjPUk49aO5N7OV3IpCM=; b=s4/byaKSGuCv5jT92XkMMouhVGh+vkGLzM2mmgwuUuyfNgT8sHjNNCK2BHNS8WF8lG /0bS2E0eyFFpdk2QZT8nAPnT2B4Gp6uqypaALbiji81JclCP9NgmWqUvCUKXFlmPMYcT Zy2HAjsPVQuKxN7IfNf81XAnNYq+E7sN0F+41ITCI++dEclAYdWnAB7lwbim/nh08Zs6 tWTnn8EnDhtqerpOVVtgwUxC8fcdY17axpv2YbYzD3N6P9BpArkLYNlBlCWCVvqnKZ/w +YOsajR3ESlFPG+QiT9zVto6nytig2hkYDHWqOdLSdavAqGtaPojUu/IOK9PDF9U3gn1 ZQug== q5mr5973403pbg.145.1375211079957; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.76.234 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:04:39 -0700 (PDT) References: <51F7D219.302@mayfco.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 15:04:39 -0400 From: Mark Rense To: drmayf@mayfco.com Cc: "land-speed@autox.team.net" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil and Filters...more questions.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dr. Mayf, I did some Tribology work many years ago, so that along with many years of racing have given me a small amount of knowledge. The oil's main purpose is to keep moving metal parts from touching. It's secondary purpose is to remove heat. A crankshaft rotating in a plain bearing generates much heat, some conducted down from the combustion chamber, the majority from the oil itself as the hydrodynamic boundary layers shear. A big part of the viscosity question centers on pumping losses through each bearing race. There is both the static pressure and the dynamic pressure that builds up, so the amount of oil that can be pumped through a given journal at a given clearance varies as the temperature and RPM increase. Generally most engines I build are "clearanced" to use a 10W-30 oil. This means each journal is measured and clearances are set to flow a given amount of oil at a given pressure/temperature. You always want some pressure build-up inside each journal, otherwise the oil would not suspend the rotating mass. However, too much resistance to flow and the oil stagnates and overheats. The balancing act is between the static oil pressure, the load, the running temperature, the journal surface area and the viscosity of the oil. I have to make some assumptions first, mostly that I am restricted to 60 PSI maximum hot static pressure at the pump, and that the journals all behave in a uniform manor. For most American V8s there is so much collective knowledge that simple look-up tables are available to help with clearances. For more exotic engines some testing would need to be done. You want to be able to support your dynamic load and also move enough oil through to keep everything cool. If the oil viscosity for a given bearing clearance is too low you will create heat from an insufficient film thickness which results in metal-to-metal contact, generating even more heat until the bearing surfaces braze together. This is amplified when impulse energy is introduced, such as power-shifting. Too high a viscosity will also allow heat to be generated, this due to the internal fluid friction and shearing created within the oil. This localized heating will thin the oil out inside the bearing so it pushes out quickly, but the cooler, thicker oil behind it cannot flow fast enough in to replace it so the bearing starves and you wipe the bearing. Another problem with too-high viscosity is cavitation. The bearing creates both high and low pressure zones, these occur on each side of the oil's minimum film thickness, and can cause oil cavitation in the bearing from the rapid expansion of dissolved air, water and/or fuel. The bubbles will implode and you will lose the oil film, again wiping the bearing. This is called cavitation pitting, and it happens in racing engines that run high-viscosity oils. OK, so Dr. Mayf you say that you are all OEM clearances, but the OEMs generally designed for oil temperatures around 130 C or so, and that is 10W-30 territory. Do you monitor oil temperature on a run? A LSR engine will be pulling WFO at high RPM for a long time, so localized oil temperatures will rise much higher than that. Are you running an oil cooler, I hope? A cooler will help stabilize the system making it more predictable. The synthetic oils designed for racing will remain in their viscosity class for much longer at elevated temperatures (200 C+) before breaking down, so for that I recommend that you start with a top-line synthetic like the Mobil 1 Racing 0W-30 or Red Line 30WT Racing oil. These oils also have a lot more various zinc additives to further protect the rotating shiny parts. A thicker oil like the Mobil 1 Racing 0W-50 may not flow fast enough in your bearings to dump heat as quickly, but if the ambient is high (40 C+) then that would be a good choice. As to using a high-flow oil pump, there is no need if the clearances are good and the right oil is used, otherwise you are just creating parasitical power loses by moving extra oil through the pressure-relief by-pass. Besides, most after-market racing pumps flow more than an OEM pump anyway. And I recommend Wix filters, they seem to have remained consistent in quality. Could be worse, the Formula 1 guys pay over $500 a liter for special Mobil 1 Racing oil! Hope this helps. Bugz _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 30 14:57:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B237042737 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:57:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E948B42710 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:57:20 -0600 (MDT) a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:17 a=253cKie21zsA:10 a=OZ5CxkZW6GwA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=2m5CKaElyaMA:10 a=8-FG02sRfZsxODrQyA8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nJgd5Eomnk_NhJWPKMYA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=JQFCtmJ9SPhNjoif:21 a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:117 Received: from [72.224.119.118] ([72.224.119.118:53299] helo=[192.168.1.125]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id F2/D4-09254-FA828F15; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 20:57:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 16:57:20 -0400 From: Tod Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: tigers@autox.team.net, Larry Mayfield Subject: [Tigers] Oil Recommendations Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mayf: Two thoughts regarding oil: I have used Red Line products for a while and, although I don't drive at anywhere near the speeds you are contemplating, I think they make good stuff. They also have a web site where you can ask questions and they will answer. You might write to them, tell them what you are up to and ask for their advice. With your background, they might even offer you some support, either with their products or otherwise. There are places that can test your oil after its been used for a while and tell you what is going on with the engine. Since you want data, it would be a way of getting some. Good luck, Tod B382002384LRXFE TAC# 864 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 31 12:26:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD4B4272A for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:26:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm13-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.101]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C443B4006F for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:20:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.173] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2013 18:19:59 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.161] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2013 18:19:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2013 18:19:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 49999 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2013 18:19:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375294798; bh=Pm1BDjFNTcKBxbQ7JWHpSWPvWD0CzOPgRnbTVM18u38=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Mx48zX56x8C87if3rK0G1/hHGV5nxyi71AVqF3yQe8IKAab3Esg0wI9teSq+rmD0mrGipWBgs90LBy8MbDkvMd1Vkr+s2leryFI9uzuA4k3DZfcSOV7b4HIRShg6Zd8taM3b4hzIVREoHdcjHOD6rnbf7vnfKHHXlDgLRUNzS/A= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qt4F5E6kn7L4ToOReGwwfwDZ5++ucnmg2bgf1/WEmr1D6Ztw84Erj/RPF+oKreuAXEAkdxeW9Sm6hxEyd5O0oozCK0j59YjsF73MLVjGQzgHFK5QzYbwMcnJBICNJSPbUsic0ppj0+Ab1cLpSKikl5Abr9L8txP8T8h0Fr4V7Oc=; qDI2U4VaU6Q9H3NSLGX3tSzPz7aLggUbBf4EvJqWtl5JLb38Y06IkvFhjMRE wkHagh2w9gBgxOz8HYDti7Iin8TCeg07iw.7cKBiLb2G5nUkuvk6.ScaeE9e p.4U14kFauPC5GdskFjTxtvDOfJdhYL9d74sxQZiLUQdNdWIHwMmJ.7qeQsk hmsC5H4D_SLpD33RnSm.CDJ3uBqz0SBq7XYHi2u0huHo.cYCPPZzdW5PDMKz J6s1xqgMc.nD9F2o9M8YC_Q.ycHKqnTN_cLBbCM7WY34z4768sbGbOlVKOEm 1QDjHhH1LrrlZl_A2DxdZy__jvUmxS5aIY4AD8Xm3AyHnbxDKEPyqyckqP7G M2ntfzwxd9R2.sVS1wUXjSvhFw1m.KceUaxMvFRAweLlxKREw1FSJ42DUM_. cIIr4pV27xTWK6GwG1muCdbPpnhoM67pp7JcpkTmL38EFpCjzk4cP.DOzhuk gM3s_gXNO1cTUeunl4rC4hrcLohhAyccGR2vA5nP_fTJ5w1jicr7W1ihMb0C AqncOVP1qvV_qf.FgLJcJDr_U4Fo- Received: from [98.208.172.68] by web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:19:58 PDT wqBIZWxsbywKwqDCoMKgwqAgV2Ugd2lsbCBiZSBoYXZpbmcgb3VyIG5leHQgVEFDIEV2ZW50IG9uIFNhdHVyZGF5IEF1Z3VzdCAyNHRoIHN0YXJ0aW5nIGF0IDExYW0gYXQgUmljaCBhbmQgTmFuY3kgSG9mZm1hbidzIGhvbWUgaW4gSnVwaXRlciBGbG9yaWRhLsKgIFRoZSBhZGRyZXNzIGlzOgoxNzk2OSBCcmlkbGUgTGFuZQpKdXBpdGVyLCBGbG9yaWRhIDMzNDc4CsKgwqDCoMKgwqBJZiB5b3UgbmVlZCBhZGRpdGlvbmFsIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uLCBwbGVhc2UgY29udGFjdCBtZSBlaXRoZXIgYnkgZW1haWwgb3IBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:19:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul R Sheahan To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Florida TAC Event August 24th Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, We will be having our next TAC Event on Saturday August 24th starting at 11am at Rich and Nancy Hoffman's home in Jupiter Florida. The address is: 17969 Bridle Lane Jupiter, Florida 33478 If you need additional information, please contact me either by email or my cell phone at (704)564-3831. We look forward to seeing new TAC candidates or old friends. Paul Paul R Sheahan Senior TAC Inspector#23 (704)564-3831 Cell _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net