From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 1 15:31:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD42542A62 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 15:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FFA429FA for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 15:31:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7YS81m0010lTkoCA8ZXZgF; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 21:31:33 +0000 Received: from DougPC ([24.20.30.4]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7ZXY1m00N05Kouo8QZXY4f; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 21:31:33 +0000 From: "65 Sunbeam Tiger" <65sunbeamtiger@comcast.net> To: "Tiger E-Mail List" Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 14:31:30 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6O/GXla8W0+Ka2RsmrhUCYhivQ4g== Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1375392693; bh=3CyxrGi0HUrMII/qVXPkAFJoRIDXZgunFrh6vFyyGBw=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=L02SFGmYrO8Tz5oOhn1UookvalfdWDWAdypK08VMcMoLrOFrsogi+rnyUztGQCKWE vqzRjCNOwITTEIihCcY2GrGiKPKV0V7xUtci844/r6Gj4EX7q7yBnyJ9R2glnV2PSm xLtOhmGF2kHk0RLOogOUMCIoPYiv6FFRUvgsMBpP2xx+yGjDlkSgKSbiYClpKie8IT RpztxRh78jRs1cL6buYb23cBqzX6u88hqEOCOLN5PuEIkB5fRE4VDpTRfEr90PUWHt 0AtSzwaU8sUTiexXOv6nUJBl7/KCgolwiFhfUW2zgulRUzGWn3iazsb4GnCnyzlLKy TOAy10tEJ6lAg== Subject: [Tigers] Great TAC article and a NW TAC event Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net There is an excellent 2 page color article on the TAC program in the August 2013 issue of Sports Car Market, as well as Tigers in general (Checking a Tigers Stripes - pg 42-43) that you may want to pickup. Paul Sheahan is quoted throughout and the article is very factual and well written. Secondly, we will be having a TAC event at the All British Field Meet (ABFM) at Portland (Oregon) International Raceway on Saturday, August 31st. If you haven't attended an ABFM event in Portland, expect 500 + British vehicles of every marque and a weekend of vintage racing. No need to preregister for a TAC - just bring your car by the event on Saturday, but you can contact me directly on my cell (503) 830-3811 with any specific questions. Thanks, Doug Babcock Senior TAC Inspector _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 1 16:16:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49B642A54 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 16:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f65.google.com (mail-pa0-f65.google.com [209.85.220.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75307429FA for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 16:13:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f65.google.com with SMTP id fb10so1339657pad.0 for ; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 15:13:19 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=g5G0xDyAGHREXFQqoeWyFvRh4E6kaOJBiJhmnEnjG+w=; b=ZIrM674hzRSVjy+LSGCEHLj6aezNrMxOFE1SoljtF8BA8pses171GZtNGtEzbX0wS+ fv/X9lIyWrAxX4kXJ4ohiAkJ5/sHv9un5Gp79s6U544/yz4OjcjoWORD1nlRUo/XlcAY 1w7VSlgQlXke0PjP/bhQts8uDhG3GC27i2rGBif7Ss6MmHI4KYoayyzbS0DsQD4XG/YO oCMrn4/2O1sZxfaJ7/6j+ZVpc/i1M13diz0ynR76tR4NLM2cBjv5rKAbXZA5Ju9OQ9Et peBoseDW8qTblNfQRktZJId9BGD+RD7BAJ37fbJMWGyUujjSHjgLE8CbyWdAtDPkyNg2 104w== hx4mr7057834pad.54.1375395199407; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 15:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.76.234 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 15:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:13:19 -0400 From: Mark Rense To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Dayton Brit Car Show Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone heading the show on Saturday? My girlfriend and I are planning to drive both Tigers down for the weekend. There will be a gathering at Doug Jennings shop afterwards. Bugs _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 1 20:57:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E45429F9 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 20:57:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2323E42820 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 20:57:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7ev11m0071c6gX855exAZk; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 02:57:10 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7ex91m00v0fu9Ni3jex99r; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 02:57:10 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "Tiger Net" Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 22:57:03 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1375412230; bh=lmb89q/FDQLGsBsxZ2+nHvEbZeJ4EAUZErgaVEhx0WI=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=q7xERwQRohbBYi5znhGy3F8l6DNa9Qu5QnNkhAPXU5XG4miteBAg5IGk7Rm99eZl7 YV96JfNTQfaqJNTJi6eyeN3F38BeEVZAfjlVin4Vx4uV6J4siYvfzxMlLSnjB53LTt Q3B+kZ1rO0uRZIJw+1mTTuHEt/FdHVBrD0MKbK/17spukNO5EypUTqmDx2HqWRfGDV hR9cOmTqgqONTo9b89hNOsRQOmDEmt65IflhoUNXqnfYp6knRiMkpYnj1ft1xJ7djc 7I/V1e4UKyyz2yWIpgat0TKLWF3EhnqRQQNJE29fXylclxgwjH21QL+38TfVeJSYE2 u3ICnAYXAFsKQ== Subject: [Tigers] Club Membership Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I received my monthly TE/AE membership report tonight, and it got me to thinking. The headcount is about 70% of what it was just a few years, maybe a decade, back. There aren't fewer Sunbeams around, in fact, there could be more, with cars being dragged out of barns and restored faster than folks are trashing them. I can guess at some of the causes, networks such as this being one. But I'm curious. Are the other Sunbeam clubs, or car clubs in general, seeing similar membership drops? Have any other clubs adopted successful strategies to remain relevant in today's world? Comments welcome. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 1 21:55:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C8542820 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 21:55:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173025pub.verizon.net (vms173025pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5049140526 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 21:45:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BuckLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.229.205]) by vms173025.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MQV003SFX3WFN60@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 22:45:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "Buck Trippel" To: "'Stu Brennan'" , "'Tiger Net'" References: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 20:45:29 -0700 Thread-index: AQJJfAiFjJ2xkzcLLXaSoqDPVX3Hv5iLaOQA Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Club Membership Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net CAT membership "bottomed" a year or two ago but has been climbing since to over 600 members now. Buck Trippel -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stu Brennan Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:57 PM To: Tiger Net Subject: [Tigers] Club Membership I received my monthly TE/AE membership report tonight, and it got me to thinking. The headcount is about 70% of what it was just a few years, maybe a decade, back. There aren't fewer Sunbeams around, in fact, there could be more, with cars being dragged out of barns and restored faster than folks are trashing them. I can guess at some of the causes, networks such as this being one. But I'm curious. Are the other Sunbeam clubs, or car clubs in general, seeing similar membership drops? Have any other clubs adopted successful strategies to remain relevant in today's world? Comments welcome. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 00:13:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A7C42AA0 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 00:13:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FB140532 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 00:13:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MQX00A7JYMJFJ80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 01:13:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 23:13:31 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix / MSD Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Not a Tiger application in my case - but..., I know quite a few of the Tiger folks are running the Pertronix ignition module ( the original version in my case). Are any of you running the MSD Blaster 2 coil (8203)? I am not planning to use the MSD box, only the Pertronix and the MSD coil. I've read on the internet where some have no issues at all. However, there are those who say that Pertonix told them NOT to use the MSD coil. So, it is a bit confusing. If you have had success with the combination I'm planning, I'd like to hear from you. Also, I'd like to know if you use a ballast resistor. MSD says the resistor, .8 ohms, is only needed for points. Thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 06:53:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596CF42AB4 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 06:53:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DA140544 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 06:46:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004959.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r73CidPN016645; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 05:47:22 -0700 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b28c) id dm0225.51f029fb.12ae9d; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 05:46:03 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Thomas Witt'" , Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 08:45:54 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6QEKCujn/U4kEFSXa05MkFbO6INwAM+qMg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-03_04:2013-08-02,2013-08-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308030091 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix / MSD Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tom I think you need to talk to Pertronix about your situation or go to their web site to see what they say. You may also want to check the MSD web site to see if they show your combination and how to install it correctly. Some of this is determined by which Pertronix module you are going to use. I have a Pertronix I unit with a ballast resistor. This is the way the Pertronix installation instructions show to install this unit. The instructions also state that the voltage to the Pertronix I unit can not be less than 6V with the ballast resistor. I believe the Pertonix II and III modules require a constant 12V to operate correctly; no ballast resistor. This is where you need the Pertonix instructions to confirm that statement. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:14 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix / MSD Coil Not a Tiger application in my case - but..., I know quite a few of the Tiger folks are running the Pertronix ignition module ( the original version in my case). Are any of you running the MSD Blaster 2 coil (8203)? I am not planning to use the MSD box, only the Pertronix and the MSD coil. I've read on the internet where some have no issues at all. However, there are those who say that Pertonix told them NOT to use the MSD coil. So, it is a bit confusing. If you have had success with the combination I'm planning, I'd like to hear from you. Also, I'd like to know if you use a ballast resistor. MSD says the resistor, .8 ohms, is only needed for points. Thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 07:55:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCEC342B8D for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 07:55:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm20-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm20-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE8940333 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 07:45:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.168] by nm20.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2013 13:45:14 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.100] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2013 13:45:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2013 13:45:14 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375537514; bh=0QjZDi9bhKaO+CCKmKy3upCl0d816WK2bXKmWHwnP98=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding; b=qDsQKOwxMrROiT1atjbtFH0leYyZXe3H0s3vf7JJ2kkDK525OHkgmUnby2qiQNpz2l/DWfauSOrDy7YI9Yg4LTrw5CY9c65gkbsvMAdtXf9nujG8jU3LkyIea5j8iPIAA+VDB3/h4AKXnjOPMkH2dlvAo+R3E+N2l76sIxJkIZM= hR9DIuvXY7LF6uLvZ2u_cQZHDOeTCnL.htbXokB.2Rv5JQ_B3hjqxiiNkzv7 3PKT_OXSguhE5gBg1GGZbHAGWGOnLff5CXheipyQPQj9fCc9Ot.dSdi5lsGr eCuW9P_cQsO_m4WyMCEA8qIOLL.UBTyGj4jIM.iC8lbBSVGz1Sk4ihQxF0QG OJ5Gp17NgTSpQXcktwyYc4ge63cA1lSMb._pYxLtON3vTXiw0.4fQgKstlXy Dd6FrBOshSH1X_TEhdoy_euJy4OoF4_WJsSO1G3g8t3h0NgGs3MeP11IVaXr dQoR5L685yhpXt5h22K8MXNTAQ2VTwLmJsftGAtRhej1hYqvw_o.Vp1bsX45 lW9J7L4iW0lAjWCD2Yuiy_qGGHEoTYSjy6EaF053gfjha48a4b3dDRIVtltO NQ408eS5KY9.V5v3W7AbeyTn1Nh0I7sTq4GGmdm3e7mzzbcTWTVZ2rX8NV0_ jpj71Huht0_Eh5OGCHmkZPpYGzJ4uLmUL.b6TiWh5iD03ws.6QP8G smtp120.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Aug 2013 13:45:14 +0000 UTC User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.6.130613 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 09:45:09 -0400 From: Don Antilla To: , 'Thomas Witt' , Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Pertronix / MSD Coil Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix / MSD Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tiger Guys: I talked with Pertronix Tech Support about a year ago re the installation requirements for the Ignitor 2. I can confirm Ron's statement that Pertronix strongly advises that you provide 12 volts to the module and to not run the 12 volts through a ballast resistor. That made sense to me. Also, if any enthusiasts plan to use the Ignitor 2, be aware it has a more sophisticated microcontroller than the older Pertronix modules, and requires that you use radio resistance spark plug wires and specifically NOT to use copper core unsuppressed plug wires. I asked the Tech guy the rationale for this and he said it reduces the possibility of electromagnetic interference getting into the Pertronix module. The Tech guy said it could cause bad performance and possibly damage the Ignitor 2 module. I think this is good guidance to follow and I installed black Taylor plug wires with what look like factory spark plug boots with 135 degree angles on the boots to clear the exhaust system better. The Taylor rep was very helpful in setting up black 600 degree wires with the 135 boots. Note: You should inspect your cars and decide if you want straight/ or 135 degree/ or 90 degree boots and ask Taylor to fabricate a set to your needs. Taylor was reasonable in their pricing to me to do this. I did not discuss the Blaster coil so I can't add any insight re that particular coil. I CAN say that you need to be careful where you buy a new coil; there have been verified reports of overseas coils failing early in their life. Try top find a coil made in the US if practical. I had that exact problem with an overseas coil that went intermittent after 5 to 15 minutes of engine operation. Took weeks to isolate the cause of the engine stopping. I had to do a lot of troubleshooting, including mounting a second coil on the intake and when the engine stopped, I swapped to the original coil. Problem gone- engine ran well so I kept the original FoMoCo coil in the car (a Series 200 Griffith). Don Antilla On 8/3/13 8:45 AM, "Ron Fraser" wrote: >Tom > I think you need to talk to Pertronix about your situation or go to >their web site to see what they say. You may also want to check the MSD >web >site to see if they show your combination and how to install it correctly. > > Some of this is determined by which Pertronix module you are going >to use. I have a Pertronix I unit with a ballast resistor. This is the >way >the Pertronix installation instructions show to install this unit. The >instructions also state that the voltage to the Pertronix I unit can not >be >less than 6V with the ballast resistor. > > I believe the Pertonix II and III modules require a constant 12V to >operate correctly; no ballast resistor. This is where you need the >Pertonix >instructions to confirm that statement. > >Ron Fraser > >-----Original Message----- > >On Behalf Of Thomas Witt >Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:14 AM >To: tigers@autox.team.net >Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix / MSD Coil > > >Not a Tiger application in my case - but..., I know quite a few of the >Tiger folks are running the Pertronix ignition module ( the original >version >in my case). Are any of you running the MSD Blaster 2 coil (8203)? I am >not >planning to use the MSD box, only the Pertronix and the MSD coil. I've >read >on the internet where some have no issues at all. However, there are those >who say that Pertonix told them NOT to use the MSD coil. > >So, it is a bit confusing. If you have had success with the combination >I'm >planning, I'd like to hear from you. Also, I'd like to know if you use a >ballast resistor. MSD says the resistor, .8 ohms, is only needed for >points. > >Thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 12:03:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D5F40527 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 12:03:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC8340439 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 11:56:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id xa7so1825709pbc.3 for ; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:56:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=MbUF90/QyGDgnnH0zwNtMtbbpgfbMda2HJ98eBGU4o0=; b=gcWJhVwygO2WLKsfiNHBovIC5jiJsZ9TWW8bGH4eSgNq9yaSCG7p3MsgBUCbFILcly nYKmvmQvX2NdQkDxxg48KckUdvNIIAkQeMKIRxOJ+arzlInDiWXaFawYo/7bl2JMZgk6 O21puPW4z3EGMnB/H+9ZdR0JPifmzeE9qAKeuwpQVEQFTqBW6btoo4aWEhVWgfTC5QPq XVhOzUsZlNDyiHMYBkyFL3BpxhPSxlFoSTOBdL6ALoIwexKAV1Ey/CluO0SveJt8Ir8g PbUDLqHzjB1umwMh8h6hel53RT4zrY7/Qauo3kQl1v4g5pS5ZJ0mJhMojq+fjosRAkL7 Dqrw== a5mr14093400pbx.115.1375552613151; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.76.234 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 10:56:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <3006D8E78E2742ABB46EC632568F05E1@optiplex3301> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:56:53 -0400 From: Mark Rense To: Thomas Witt Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix / MSD Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I guess my first question is why mix and match? Pertronix makes coils for both the original and higher output coils for the II and III. I have gone to their III system on several cars, they are more robust than the original and include a nice rev limiter. Run it straight with no ballast resistor. On Saturday, August 3, 2013, Thomas Witt wrote: > Not a Tiger application in my case - but..., I know quite a few of the > Tiger > folks are running the Pertronix ignition module ( the original version in > my > case). Are any of you running the MSD Blaster 2 coil (8203)? I am not > planning to use the MSD box, only the Pertronix and the MSD coil. I've > read > on the internet where some have no issues at all. However, there are those > who > say that Pertonix told them NOT to use the MSD coil. > > So, it is a bit confusing. If you have had success with the combination I'm > planning, I'd like to hear from you. Also, I'd like to know if you use a > ballast resistor. MSD says the resistor, .8 ohms, is only needed for > points. > > Thanks, Tom > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark44124@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 13:20:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D862D4054D for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:20:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740204040D for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:10:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BuckLaptop ([unknown] [173.58.229.205]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MQY00FX9YLCSA00@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 14:10:25 -0500 (CDT) From: "Buck Trippel" To: "'Mark Rense'" , "'Thomas Witt'" References: <3006D8E78E2742ABB46EC632568F05E1@optiplex3301> Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 12:10:19 -0700 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQG8pS9nUpm5ukk8yjHJpJg1qIdBagJN5tOhmZU+b2A= Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix / MSD Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Tom, Mark makes a good point. Each Pertronix coil is optimized to work with the corresponding Ignitor. Off the top of my head, the Pertronix 1 needs a coil with over 3 ohms resistance. The 2 needs 0.6 ohms while the 3 needs 0.3 ohms. The lower resistance allows more spark energy but if you try to mix and match you could exceed the electrical capacity of the Ignitor unit and fry it. I've temporarily used the MSD coil with the Pertronix 1 but I had to use the ballast resistor in series to get the required resistance. If you follow Mark's advice and use the matching coil then you would bypass the ballast resistor completely. If you have a need for the power of the 3 (or just want the built in rev limiter) you should also consider using a relay. Buck Trippel -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Rense Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:57 AM To: Thomas Witt Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix / MSD Coil I guess my first question is why mix and match? Pertronix makes coils for both the original and higher output coils for the II and III. I have gone to their III system on several cars, they are more robust than the original and include a nice rev limiter. Run it straight with no ballast resistor. On Saturday, August 3, 2013, Thomas Witt wrote: > Not a Tiger application in my case - but..., I know quite a few of > the Tiger folks are running the Pertronix ignition module ( the > original version in my case). Are any of you running the MSD Blaster 2 > coil (8203)? I am not planning to use the MSD box, only the Pertronix > and the MSD coil. I've read on the internet where some have no issues > at all. However, there are those who say that Pertonix told them NOT > to use the MSD coil. > > So, it is a bit confusing. If you have had success with the > combination I'm planning, I'd like to hear from you. Also, I'd like > to know if you use a ballast resistor. MSD says the resistor, .8 > ohms, is only needed for points. > > Thanks, Tom > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark44124@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 13:23:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D68B40552 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:23:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net (txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC26E40510 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:20:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Roscrea ([74.196.108.150]) by txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.01.08 201-2343-100-153-20121108) with ESMTP id <20130803182011.FVHF20871.txasav-vm06.suddenlink.net@Roscrea>; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:20:11 -0500 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "'Thomas Witt'" , References: <3006D8E78E2742ABB46EC632568F05E1@optiplex3301> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 14:20:36 -0500 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQG8pS9nUpm5ukk8yjHJpJg1qIdBapmnsUQg cv=AVOTjYe9G/mDmdSHOynSAsMlhlNOKiS6U8j61lSgSHU= c=1 sm=0 a=g5BHRfBYzGsA:10 a=xzW3HwPJiLYA:10 a=VPHkNMUpP2kA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=8LaAqv5HAAAA:8 a=PovvZR_Hrjid0cU3yc4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=gPGHqaX6uacA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix / MSD Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The Pertronix I requires 1.5 ohms coil, whereas the MSD coil is .7 ohms. It might be best to run the Pertronix coil that is 1.5 ohms. Much more likely to NOT get stuck out somewhere you don't want to be. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 1:14 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix / MSD Coil Not a Tiger application in my case - but..., I know quite a few of the Tiger folks are running the Pertronix ignition module ( the original version in my case). Are any of you running the MSD Blaster 2 coil (8203)? I am not planning to use the MSD box, only the Pertronix and the MSD coil. I've read on the internet where some have no issues at all. However, there are those who say that Pertonix told them NOT to use the MSD coil. So, it is a bit confusing. If you have had success with the combination I'm planning, I'd like to hear from you. Also, I'd like to know if you use a ballast resistor. MSD says the resistor, .8 ohms, is only needed for points. Thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 16:13:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70C54054C for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 16:13:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E804044B for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 16:05:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MQZ001ZL6PMK250@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 17:05:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <33A89F37D9A04E07873040F979BA6612@ronpc1> Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 15:05:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix / MSD Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you everyone for your replies. To answer a few questions: Why mix parts? - I have a Pertronix I module because it came with a rebuilt distributor I bought off of Ebay. It works fine with the stock coil. The MSD coil I got the other day at Pick A Part. My apology if my frugality caused confusion. Income has been cut over 50% - and not going to get any better. What does theMSD site say? - From the MSD site; "Improved output coil for electronic, Point, Blaster or MSD 5, 6, and 7 Series Ignitions (ballast resistor required for points)" It basically stated the coil can be used with anything (ballast resistor with points). And from what I read on the internet others sucsessfully have. Yes, I was aware that the Pertronix itself runs off of 12 volt and not to connect it to a "resistance" circuit. My concern rose when I read that someone talked to Pertronix about using the MSD coil. Pertronix told them not to do it. Others (that sucsessfully used the Pertronix/MSD set-up) said Pertronix was just trying to sell "their" coil. Thus, I was looking for trusted confirmation if anyone on the Tiger list had run the Pertronix I and the MSD 8203 coil (with or without a resistor). Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 14:18:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9464056A for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 14:18:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC0E403F7 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 14:17:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8kER1m0020cQ2SLA7kHRGM; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 20:17:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([76.120.109.222]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8kHQ1m00E4nwTpY8WkHQt1; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 20:17:25 +0000 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 14:17:24 -0600 From: Ken Tisdale Organization: RMVR User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: tigers@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1375647445; bh=kTYnTpMEXSI1XJTfc0wHK5neMlGgX/UwdYuLuh3QVY0=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:MIME-Version:To: Subject:Content-Type; b=piu4MfQ25grbubYC1wHU2pcVUDh6lBM13nW02V8mJcU2ZOpM9kVKYh8qNR+E0vvmJ iRhMy49xrIilnvWdAlVmzbNz7C1SWqa4uKBv2lpjOe/p64lERib3LIUZQDoxfvwJzF 3vK4t3m0Cc0/5n5/co4xoREP4KV0au1M+IvRw9TwCUW7yPgX6aqBJ9RWjzzcAze0tb uTWPdJWLPhpesDls2IKE417Wso0BH6mgOJKLNGzi1qTG8ZhjXcPQRw71CTr9Chj6uH n8bBumfglgnJ4HHYFvNnwn8PjuqWgATNLXFB5ys8NV9Q29AcVaxAEhjBfOqppQja7k gGKIhHmDXaKwQ== Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Brake light switch... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mine has failed. Got an Intermotor unit but it will not thread correctly. anyone know if our Tiger units cross to a Lucas SPB401? 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[74.82.80.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d68sm34284561yhk.7.2013.08.04.22.02.28 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 04 Aug 2013 22:02:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <51FEB6D4.5090201@ix.netcom.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: ktisdale@ix.netcom.com,tigers@autox.team.net From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 05:02:26 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Brake light switch... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Useless. I've tried them all, even a really nice NOS one. Give up on it and install a manual switch on the pedal arm. Usually, people who think theirs is still good hasn't had a truck with chrome grille and bumper behind them lately. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Ken Tisdale To: Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Brake light switch... Mine has failed. Got an Intermotor unit but it will not thread correctly. anyone know if our Tiger units cross to a Lucas SPB401? 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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Brake light switch... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I had the same problem with the unreliable brake light hydraulic switch on my Griffith. Rather than take the risk of opening up the newly plumbed junction assembly that took me a lot of hours to build, I fabricated the bracket in the attached photo and in the case of the Griffith, I hid it inside my pedal box. I used a common GM plunger switch so it would be easy to purchase in the future; could have used a Ford plunger switch, but the GM part was in my drawer and it fit well. Don A On 8/5/13 1:02 AM, "jay.laifman@gmail.com" wrote: >Useless. I've tried them all, even a really nice NOS one. Give up on it >and install a manual switch on the pedal arm. > >Usually, people who think theirs is still good hasn't had a truck with >chrome grille and bumper behind them lately. > > >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ken Tisdale >Sender:: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 14:17:24 >To: >Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Brake light switch... > >Mine has failed. Got an Intermotor unit but it will not thread >correctly. anyone know if our Tiger units cross to a Lucas SPB401? >Ken > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name >of ktisdale.vcf] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Brake Switch 2.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Brake Switch installed.jpg] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 08:03:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2EF40559 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 08:03:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1094069E for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 06:24:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r75CJ1mO016826; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 05:24:08 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 401894d8) id dm0219.51f02a09.1442e5; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 05:24:07 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 08:23:56 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6RT87mVBAqI4fvTEyMk1mTmd+GnwAhmTMg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-05_03:2013-08-05,2013-08-05,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308050080 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Brake light switch... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tim The Alpine Parts List shows the Lucas part # 34619. http://www.autoelectricalspares.co.uk/lucas-spb401-34446-34619-brake-light-s witch-38-x-24-unf-dac3719-1187-p.asp This web site indicates that the SPB 401 supersedes the 34619 part. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Tisdale Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 4:17 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Brake light switch... Mine has failed. Got an Intermotor unit but it will not thread correctly. anyone know if our Tiger units cross to a Lucas SPB401? Ken [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of ktisdale.vcf] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 09:21:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F2B42B15 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 09:21:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3034140534 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 08:42:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.171] by nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2013 14:42:41 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.202] by tm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2013 14:42:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2013 14:42:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 98964 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2013 14:42:41 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375713761; bh=Gd/QcFfZkv9xImkkYgIo9E52xo6CS90KsAXY2q+W+DU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XDbrTLGVAQnktJzyoFM5C39Atl6uAHJVDyHcds/wMPedYUlPYpKWTLMPCcTIXQomQusCfiEj+SJaXGv2/0M7QpnPuTUpm/Eiaao11tHP34GRUxyb6Y/ovqEYnnYPhRCEUhhQKxyfU1YeisAE554qXjVw/u1R0ySOjWmYjcQUT8U= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dteVgHCMmb2jtilqog5iE788K1Y65F7VribYqGVSajYtot283dP/cS9uNGgOywej8f9WhsPvrk6E7aMUBFoy7Sx6EeOHb8KtVer46CeGsmb4AevjH7UdDYLoDXbAQQAR5aEnQ1OWjSp2rMQhvNrKCV1NW55PB5/oRU25y5y5/TY=; 06ZGm_0xfWZPJ_KQqkCsl6h9sjdDbCSCT95B7Njfs.yaDUkrdJtwKzK.s0xn mtn4U93wExy55kNVdAaGBRdYNHcV0BsjvP6_2Y8xOtI3K3ii5u7apNk2HKgu 2KHy_SRb_uU_rZcNxMlx9ozb7suwyGn7dNVorRyx8dOrdevW0CANqBE4xEN9 F3UDxbYs8UR5yo5AdY8exvRTj782Jw36d3KCU.jsnL9uS3AsWyT3hWoe8DYD KVSq.tj7seKwMOmg1TKknuQFXXAvDycSc7hvD5Y2UbjvdI4QzHcJOjoNA1jA 4dAWsvI1OtKHEw1LNVQylLzpJrPxFAgsGlT8DMBS5Q7RKJhQ4TV.wNEjcpMZ GvmuuL.WuAs1A2yv2Z1cBs0baZSC1sXk.vHZA8eDtYKe3ysirBmwkdt_fQuf x.a3k4rMVdN80O7_ovUdg65cgfkVqFwyDhQD7658gNu6tBQPZZ4Q.AUdJfhL LnkhzrizwlOUVCljiBa7P.MlwDY9cJHR_nXVdYgtwY3Aj1KqfxIeCtIlEq2d 18mnF0KLVnNlQB8vYn0K8vRHdVpC_br0FiQdnAAqcBlhqplnElecS5.A- Received: from [173.48.171.26] by web161002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 07:42:41 PDT T24gdGhpcyBtb3JuaW5ncyBIZW1taW5ncyBibG9nIGlzIGEgVGlnZXIgMzgyMCBmb3Igc2FsZSwgYXNraW5nICQ3NUsuIEkgYmVsaWV2ZSBpdCdzICMgMjM3NywgcmVzdG9yZWQgYXJvdW5kIDIwMDMsIHJlZCBleHRlcmlvciB3aXRoIGJsYWNrIGludCwgaW4gT3R0YXdhLCBPbnRhcmlvLCBDQU4sIEkndmUgbm8gY29ubmVjdGlvbiB0byB0aGUgc2VsbGVyLsKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoCB3d3cuaGVtbWluZ3MuY29tCgEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 07:42:41 -0700 (PDT) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Tiger in Ottawa for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On this mornings Hemmings blog is a Tiger 3820 for sale, asking $75K. I believe it's # 2377, restored around 2003, red exterior with black int, in Ottawa, Ontario, CAN, I've no connection to the seller. www.hemmings.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 09:22:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A0C42B53 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 09:22:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm46-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm46-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B2B4053E for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 08:46:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm46.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2013 14:46:33 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.237] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2013 14:46:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1046.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2013 14:46:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 42435 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2013 14:46:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375713993; bh=TDMspgGRm2w0ewIQ8IPVkHdsBAmY9t8nqgFCX6bdu1Y=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NR+CemKhljEVwrLPuWRHh4zpJ/p1uNqUP3oc2WMzy/+RLTyaHQI8Ymcsw0x+Rz/cZEh+Yxknakck5gGJ4XxjYkg49dK4Zy9U3jzEjfjNp/M8dxQUMLkyP272tzih2qXNxjyX59Mj2ZJms6Z0oy2xBc5ZjZb2Pq9FQL6slkPdXG0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=d3gkUKqpNKr++ugZlGXV+UIOfmqWC1eIn4atgGsaXic23M2ERKOQTSRbgyPLyqT8SZOkPeisucgpZrZE2xp5oqj+o0fyJyzAuf7H4xVsVajNxXe3Iu6lV1WeJpDRhsvN1vyxE+IWEWixqdYSRljNhrpyEo0h9H23BDpoaEV0B9U=; Psx6IodFaZ0oWFXRIwuj0NbP2p5gJ2cx36VepZZKb5GCE2v1I.Fpxsdg.wmD h0Y_Tne87icDPE91MORKHkkE4cuDZSGj_QV7KsgHEDA37TeWmFB7wmguUZvr bUUCoB0o.AZDINWnaJRfJxOXzhG_JptXPZ2YuDiMDJkdgyzdZ11sQjKpQ6Td ZGtSjSCSf.l3QDQIwY1Ms8e0okxg5piwIlytrtKr2Al8WpJMGdIblDcjFW.8 wmnQ1Kl_e5X08Of8ON5k0pvyUnLkm8bgmpQg76TYxAoQMl4j0PesHzKpchE8 .AsO161cCHV0BJVyTOoaE4K1NipZmdEs92CUGed_tmDRsbnSaj9IVSRAoEWB lSxWMNWQIgJ5nIfm5BYEw7umYI8z1HhOd_R8NEXuZZvvd5d.hTeflkCMHpVS H5sR0MPtaootIoVc.GIFR.3QfEFTCMt.BEtPsO8aIb1KDeuAZiNnsqjiAJ93 QPzMpVuMhveAVnGAZ Received: from [173.48.171.26] by web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 07:46:32 PDT SGksCkkgbmVlZCB0aGUgbGluaywgaXNzdWVkIGxhc3QgZmFsbCwgdG8gdGhlIERyYWdvbnMgVGFpbCBVbml0ZWQgdG91ciBpbiBUZW5uZXNzZWUgbGFzdCB5ZWFyLiBJdCB3YXMgaW4gbXkgb2xkIGVtYWlsIHByb2dyYW0gdGhhdCB3ZW50IGF3YXkgaW4gSnVuZS4KVGhhbmtzLCBhbGwKUmFuZGUgQmVsbG1hbgoBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 07:46:32 -0700 (PDT) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Tiger - need link to Dragons Tail United tour Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I need the link, issued last fall, to the Dragons Tail United tour in Tennessee last year. It was in my old email program that went away in June. Thanks, all Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 09:49:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE48B42B4B for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 09:49:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEDC42AD7 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 09:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id oz10so3238126veb.31 for ; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 08:29:43 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Fh5A6PNJcttcUaCKrgL8HXPQtMqHq15Xwg1hO7CadG4=; b=AOnocKoqhDoKbjRmGImyl3Q2rTlIn8tIaeR2/t7qlZMd3r4NnyF8Ni0SDqyZZkX10t WMWDzjp0qcshBM/vN5biLYz+Pi681gIxJ9HqonnT9rUoOVRwukyTYM9bxus4AKn1VKI2 wpRM6tE0DxnBPtrjPrQ6Lr+KIqQ6pfWjGv+pelHN48S5fMH10sLFJMLt14PywwiBOH67 WvnMdm2+mwS918QFBfkfai9p04Ikze1JaGPIoUQCslwY8Ij1ouDita0ulSnYs5InB3EO cg6wVbUpfVALHUvRGrdymOvQAq0mBqEpTAW64NRLzin7WdP0T7Mf3SixufVKRGmRfeJt VOFQ== hq5mr5013660vdb.85.1375716583652; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 08:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.19.71 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 08:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 08:29:43 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I drove the Tiger to work today. It was one of those drives when you turn off the key, the purr stops, giving way to the din of silence, and all you want to do turn that key again and head right back out. I drove it in honor of my dad's birthday today. But, to be honest, just about any excuse will usually do. :-) Thanks again to all who have contributed to keeping her back on the road ... I'll be back at you for hard hot starting issues later... Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 11:19:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B231742B7F for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 11:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1B942AFF for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 11:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2013 17:10:51 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.133] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2013 17:10:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp220.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2013 17:10:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375722650; bh=soKajT4CRHii5mqA1r1xnaKju/zb2CdtoilEp3wnk/E=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wuaEqppSGdJv7E0iKNdGEt/qCE1F7lyNjMUA95u8d2ib20/q2CZw3dJ8xbAPI7tNa8TmeH8256ETb5MWOqi/s2/vv2Zl2rONEV7wYUCbx62XT1HpS8YtZqA3SLvSlPF9RNmk6p1Wz0tvTh8nSegvS06VasfZGftGpC8c1txHtGQ= MawEIBvHyKWHXi0HMdMlQxlxT4hZhtA9iSBZLil30amRuRkWOPDe68Usf2f1 lEyp26ywqKBRQzHZ1uMziAc.xGa2wv5vo177uFA24NxbnoaXev2AHkD324BO 497Mw6GqJwHKPGkiHh_BCJscU.NG35IHiqh4WNvXktSolGwqmLw65_y1Qa7o rPPmY3vnpLLNZmkAsXrtZ_qEtbkpedJ_sJ1cEJJ7rzueR24WBam.cjwg6bCw .sZbKhbha7y1mgqMkFlbzCDnF3Ly8KMyIT1oU_zZ1Z4DRUjNHPPE18EZXwyR 6sWrNh7kBBecJz.6YUVO.ZgwJvUIKuNWujEsQHvPKtP9a_HizOeyt8LDCAB7 00pnc6cDKZh0UHWUo2ff.XRWkCE6CiL2HgHw746KNaHMek_5pMdFDaw8xaT8 IgozN6toXixTk4pMvONHyQ47hTBKjmbLvSWyxcNRPmjVpJtgOTi_KNE4Qwpt EMC9tS1cZ869xr8vG9xtQES17eSAvg0dpty_CRvHLT54.H01BpdyVJnGGTha jF4Aua_Vk_fs9ogEABGBWn1uILYEXhv4lnA-- smtp220.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Aug 2013 10:10:50 -0700 PDT Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 12:11:05 -0500 From: TtT To: Jay Laifman , Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net hard starting when hot equals timing in my past but it will be great reading others thoughts HBD to my buddy who was smiling when the cat started purring ....gone but never forgotten! !!! Sent from Huawei Mobile Jay Laifman wrote: >I drove the Tiger to work today. It was one of those drives when you turn >off the key, the purr stops, giving way to the din of silence, and all you >want to do turn that key again and head right back out. > >I drove it in honor of my dad's birthday today. But, to be honest, just >about any excuse will usually do. :-) > >Thanks again to all who have contributed to keeping her back on the road >... I'll be back at you for hard hot starting issues later... > >Jay >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 12:38:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CADF42BE4 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 12:38:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f42.google.com (mail-qa0-f42.google.com [209.85.216.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43BF42A92 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 12:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id bv4so1145190qab.8 for ; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:28:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+cMe2MBKNkQZQBWZ4/nQMsQ3AxWOI5eDgWPFzeHXvXQ=; b=L+mj/4M0e+WSSYqGvVTBPUlaS1CZxNYvIIgm/scVkj9Q/1W3c5iD+eo/yWejJS9qCu 4Bc5mL5QPvuq5XIzsPAwIiX5pkQXeLFx8q9DzBH7Q/ArFMJSa74UXJDqGFLSRS9tVBZX No6e/Y+X9TNy830rYlR9PeJNYPhdkNSeIkyXIK6QL7kI6YhhxV6cyx2etk9Ov1H/vZPA s8kdBphdzLfrgGF5awB/wvfmT2AF/m4/byOXgbYZyd6gSyO/5qRlD+xKa9TqVgUP6zme pj/3TPPMReaH83yAzXBA+gQ/OWgoz6jEUWgpTdddtBWxCR1+wTDTAn3iDfk5xEoxx08O R9vQ== x7mr5161157qaj.30.1375727339358; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.81.39 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 11:28:59 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 14:28:59 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: TtT Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, We miss Steve also. To start the ball rolling, Timing. First question: Points or electronic ignition. Second question: any signs of vapor lock... ever? Tom '67 Mark 2 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:11 PM, TtT wrote: > hard starting when hot equals timing in my past but it will be great > reading others thoughts > HBD to my buddy who was smiling when the cat started purring ....gone but > never forgotten! !!! > Sent from Huawei Mobile > > Jay Laifman wrote: > > >I drove the Tiger to work today. It was one of those drives when you turn > >off the key, the purr stops, giving way to the din of silence, and all you > >want to do turn that key again and head right back out. > > > >I drove it in honor of my dad's birthday today. But, to be honest, just > >about any excuse will usually do. :-) > > > >Thanks again to all who have contributed to keeping her back on the road > >... I'll be back at you for hard hot starting issues later... > > > >Jay > >_______________________________________________ > > > >tigers@autox.team.net > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 12:39:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB9342C7F for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 12:39:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f45.google.com (mail-qe0-f45.google.com [209.85.128.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C4F42BA5 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 12:32:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f45.google.com with SMTP id x7so1942316qeu.18 for ; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:32:12 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=e+HDEqORbZyV8Xzat8J+dUnrSC/mnJwZwt67JA+3eOQ=; b=bhrG3z8faFt/IVFNkDdbp1UMdglkJgfT1KEBPB4D6h6v3+ZfqhI4iYAlqXRSD6y3M1 EgWlbi0mHWJLotIqpJJ0tazH6E/6NQHKH1Tfq2oXYPjgoM4rnNHkyKGifNG3pmddw04I 1rFY+adhY2nah4EMIoOhTi8s6r0QZKl6a/EwumyjaCbAmYROoteeAdHe6keIlImJhCkB CrH0B0kVbkEv4cPTePUkREoV1pRSyCgGDFVQLKuLlIYyJeb4ArvnPBjkvbESultEcMwe TWF5TAcUQ+5YZPnzHOOwziEtpT4Cclj0f3kIj3jmDk5Ejx7Q0bGHQVnzo5PKhBGJnsdO 9oFQ== z4mr31006608qaj.20.1375727532560; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.81.39 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 11:32:12 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 14:32:12 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: TtT Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, that was Tony's call, not mine. Tom On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Tom Parker wrote: > Jay, We miss Steve also. To start the ball rolling, Timing. First > question: Points or electronic ignition. Second question: any signs of > vapor lock... ever? > > Tom > '67 Mark 2 > > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:11 PM, TtT wrote: > >> hard starting when hot equals timing in my past but it will be great >> reading others thoughts >> HBD to my buddy who was smiling when the cat started purring ....gone but >> never forgotten! !!! >> Sent from Huawei Mobile >> >> Jay Laifman wrote: >> >> >I drove the Tiger to work today. It was one of those drives when you >> turn >> >off the key, the purr stops, giving way to the din of silence, and all >> you >> >want to do turn that key again and head right back out. >> > >> >I drove it in honor of my dad's birthday today. But, to be honest, just >> >about any excuse will usually do. :-) >> > >> >Thanks again to all who have contributed to keeping her back on the road >> >... I'll be back at you for hard hot starting issues later... >> > >> >Jay >> >_______________________________________________ >> > >> >tigers@autox.team.net >> > >> >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> >Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 14:26:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888E642C67 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 14:26:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA35E42BA4 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 14:20:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 96rg1m0041wfjNsA28LWHi; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 20:20:30 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 98LV1m00b2xZMJ48j8LVho; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 20:20:29 +0000 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 20:20:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Tiger's Den s=q20121106; t=1375734030; bh=zkEivZobogyF2ntX7kMzbZZ3b1ARY64jtAbVyPUF2mk=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=IiJ8T63UT7uqXqQFE7MrkAl6xe6Z0TgWBOhdWDkpqJuFS1qxDAeUgus/DRcknlWe4 bvWsDXIwnZM8qrfhQpNOaZX+IECA38uclcrUZwLI8B06PR16Dc1SD1TX+fDlnRUWTa dgL2DY1AhqlOUuaUslhUq1LSnXSY0dafwHnWnQ/dCVQT4GDhyRtdqX05P36hQTT6dc gC5QYodCsiYES8xcNlq5dybth2DGPLzEU92rcCVW0d3Lxrc3FHcl2sWnquikQrj0// MXaIzVgZqFmyMF09wPcL7BPi5RkO3ahkxilLzaL8w8wkL6PFSlBxYF4+64YgRQBE5K 3YPrD+PFu4ELw== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, did you say you had hard hot starting or were you being faceteus(sp?)?? If you do.. I just fixed mine by noticing that the voltage regulator was very low (voltage) and re-adjusted it. It now starts like never before. I was ready to buy a new battery since its really old, but didn't need it. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Parker To: TtT Cc: Tiger's Den Sent: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 18:28:59 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Today Jay, We miss Steve also. To start the ball rolling, Timing. First question: Points or electronic ignition. Second question: any signs of vapor lock... ever? Tom '67 Mark 2 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:11 PM, TtT wrote: > hard starting when hot equals timing in my past but it will be great > reading others thoughts > HBD to my buddy who was smiling when the cat started purring ....gone but > never forgotten! !!! > Sent from Huawei Mobile > > Jay Laifman wrote: > > >I drove the Tiger to work today. It was one of those drives when you turn > >off the key, the purr stops, giving way to the din of silence, and all you > >want to do turn that key again and head right back out. > > > >I drove it in honor of my dad's birthday today. But, to be honest, just > >about any excuse will usually do. :-) > > > >Thanks again to all who have contributed to keeping her back on the road > >... I'll be back at you for hard hot starting issues later... > > > >Jay > >_______________________________________________ > > > >tigers@autox.team.net > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 15:26:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2AC42BE2 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:26:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og115.obsmtp.com (exprod5og115.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.246]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4835742A92 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:18:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpmlip13.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.5.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob115.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUgAWuE5SzrRwZ0coJLFpkl5af5ssEHzd@postini.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 14:18:51 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO alpmlef08.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.18.17]) by alpmlip13.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2013 17:18:47 -0400 Received: from cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.213.93]) by alpmlef08.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 5 Aug 2013 17:18:47 -0400 Received: from alpmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.17.20]) by cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 5 Aug 2013 17:18:46 -0400 Received: from CINMBAPD08.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.47) by alpmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.17.20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 17:18:46 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.243]) by CINMBAPD08.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.10.63]) with mapi id 14.03.0136.001; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 17:18:46 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: Jay Laifman , Tiger's Den Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tiger Today Thread-Index: AQHOkfNxmvM6C6nEXUuzpoKn4BlCIJmHGAFw Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 21:18:45 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.193] FILETIME=[5EE33E10:01CE9221] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, If I remember correctly, your car has a smaller Holley 4BBL (465 CFM?) on top of a F4B manifold. I have also had hot start problems using a similar setup on one of my cars. When attempting to re-start after the hot car sits for a few minutes the engine only spins, and when it finally does start it feels like it is loaded up or the choke is on. In my case this was caused by the fuel boiling in the bowls, the pressure builds up and the fuel overflows into the carb, loading up the engine. I tried heat shields and thicker gaskets but there is no head room with the F4B so you cannot use a decent phenolic insulator. I fixed this by installing a toggle switch under the dash for the pump, and I shut off the pump a minute or so before I park the car. When I come back I switch the pump back on, turn the key to prime the carb for a couple seconds, and the car starts right up with fresh cool (ish) fuel flowing into the bowls. The "secret" switch also makes a great theft deterrent. It's easy to try, there should be a connector of some type or a fuse in your fuel pump's circuit. Get your car hot and disconnect the power to the pump for a minute before you shut off the engine. Wait about 15 minutes then reconnect the pump, turn the key to let it prime for a couple seconds then see if the engine starts easily. If there is no change in its behavior then it's probably timing/spark issues. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: Jay Laifman Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 11:30 AM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Today ... I'll be back at you for hard hot starting issues later... Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 15:31:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7115E42C8C for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:31:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f181.google.com (mail-ve0-f181.google.com [209.85.128.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1526A4282D for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f181.google.com with SMTP id jz10so3705409veb.12 for ; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 14:31:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=z8MQOTcYjZov2liurblkHmhRymWoVEym83LTWoId0bE=; b=IJa9XVO78HxSo6Ng/ide+9SksyaX1BVvANct749VUaCbtuHMSVFcHnXwP0DQMoA7O5 pqCL0slHtG6Dd42FR2kBJLQ5rwHt8vwDn0zU+dy37jgSq7pULfIwdlnZHp+Tpq4C91TQ ToIDjoBcH91MbH8LUJSkIq7ynY1pvYLKqCNkpxcEQwg3GQVLKVHZM9Z9YYRQ8jSuk/Z5 /eAqypAyKngcXPj8tXHjRiC7Ir964Nayy0gH0eMEF3RPerHdMzx+8TTbqmE6dCgzHZSE tUu1Vy1QX16TC3soVkMYGH2GU91o6AG0bMFE1GOevLiFLbOjJ3gDAX4eHYdWTuzCVDQv LoYQ== yw7mr5503066vdb.82.1375738267253; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 14:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.19.71 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 14:31:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147CFF08F@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 14:31:07 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yep, that's the carb and manifold - don't remember the CFM. I can add the switch. In fact, I did exactly that on my Alpine - using the useless Panel light switch. Actually I swapped in a headlight switch because it is rated for higher power. I have been meaning to check out the spark plugs - as adverturous as that apparently sounds. So, perhaps I'll do that and check the timing first. Thanks. Jay On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) < mark.rense@ge.com> wrote: > Jay, > If I remember correctly, your car has a smaller Holley 4BBL (465 CFM?) on > top of a F4B manifold. I have also had hot start problems using a similar > setup on one of my cars. When attempting to re-start after the hot car > sits for a few minutes the engine only spins, and when it finally does > start it feels like it is loaded up or the choke is on. In my case this was > caused by the fuel boiling in the bowls, the pressure builds up and the > fuel overflows into the carb, loading up the engine. I tried heat shields > and thicker gaskets but there is no head room with the F4B so you cannot > use a decent phenolic insulator. I fixed this by installing a toggle switch > under the dash for the pump, and I shut off the pump a minute or so before > I park the car. When I come back I switch the pump back on, turn the key to > prime the carb for a couple seconds, and the car starts right up with fresh > cool (ish) fuel flowing into the bowls. The "secret" switch also makes a > great theft deterrent. > > It's easy to try, there should be a connector of some type or a fuse in > your fuel pump's circuit. Get your car hot and disconnect the power to the > pump for a minute before you shut off the engine. Wait about 15 minutes > then reconnect the pump, turn the key to let it prime for a couple seconds > then see if the engine starts easily. If there is no change in its behavior > then it's probably timing/spark issues. > Bugz > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Laifman > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 11:30 AM > To: Tiger's Den > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Today > > ... I'll be back at you for hard hot starting issues later... > > Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 15:56:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AF742C8D for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:56:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8959442A57 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:55:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ownerHP ([unknown] [98.117.211.51]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MR200EB2VK0BFH2@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 16:55:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 17:54:55 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac6SJQkQSF1QG0bvQKCVeM82c2kE3w== Subject: [Tigers] te/ae united Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Inviting all to join us to celebrate 60 years of the Alpine..Eastern shore Maryland is a great location and we have a great event planned..Crabs, car show, boat tour, live music. Save the long weekend October 10th thru the 13th..check web site for registration and details _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 17:46:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64BD42E31 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 17:46:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com [159.54.39.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920F642C08 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 17:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ent-mocexhub01.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.20.1.86]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF652D5E44; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 19:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::d1ee:ba6b:7083:d0d]) by ent-mocexhub01.us.ad.gannett.com ([::1]) with mapi; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 19:41:58 -0400 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Jay Laifman , "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 19:41:55 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tiger Today Thread-Index: Ac6SIxwcv5GrzjJbRj6w7F4bqXJNfQAEg0Ug References: <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147CFF08F@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Any idea about the condition or age of the starter? A starter that is not working optimally can perform poorly when hot and it will cause the symptoms you described. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 2:31 PM To: Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Today Yep, that's the carb and manifold - don't remember the CFM. I can add the switch. In fact, I did exactly that on my Alpine - using the useless Panel light switch. Actually I swapped in a headlight switch because it is rated for higher power. I have been meaning to check out the spark plugs - as adverturous as that apparently sounds. So, perhaps I'll do that and check the timing first. Thanks. Jay On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) < mark.rense@ge.com> wrote: > Jay, > If I remember correctly, your car has a smaller Holley 4BBL (465 > CFM?) on top of a F4B manifold. I have also had hot start problems > using a similar setup on one of my cars. When attempting to re-start > after the hot car sits for a few minutes the engine only spins, and > when it finally does start it feels like it is loaded up or the choke > is on. In my case this was caused by the fuel boiling in the bowls, > the pressure builds up and the fuel overflows into the carb, loading > up the engine. I tried heat shields and thicker gaskets but there is > no head room with the F4B so you cannot use a decent phenolic > insulator. I fixed this by installing a toggle switch under the dash > for the pump, and I shut off the pump a minute or so before I park the > car. When I come back I switch the pump back on, turn the key to prime > the carb for a couple seconds, and the car starts right up with fresh > cool (ish) fuel flowing into the bowls. The "secret" switch also makes a great theft deterrent. > > It's easy to try, there should be a connector of some type or a fuse > in your fuel pump's circuit. Get your car hot and disconnect the power > to the pump for a minute before you shut off the engine. Wait about 15 > minutes then reconnect the pump, turn the key to let it prime for a > couple seconds then see if the engine starts easily. If there is no > change in its behavior then it's probably timing/spark issues. > Bugz > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Laifman > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 11:30 AM > To: Tiger's Den > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Today > > ... I'll be back at you for hard hot starting issues later... > > Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jteepen@usatoday.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 18:20:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6864B42E2C for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 18:20:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3DC42734 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 18:06:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo110 ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130806000652.IYXY3846.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110> for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 20:06:52 -0400 Received: from laptop ([68.229.224.237]) by fed1rmimpo110 with cox id 9C6q1m00j57wa9801C6rQq; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 20:06:51 -0400 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=_xZOX2RqCs0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=wW2zTpy-lzZD0VXeAHEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=awtiger@cox.net From: "Andy Walker" To: "'Rense, Mark \(GE, Appl & Light\)'" , "'Jay Laifman'" , "'Tiger's Den'" References: <99Rk1m00r0koGQ6019RmpL> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 19:06:45 -0500 Thread-Index: AQHCcEHJ7DNq4iyFMhK//wlHo6ogXQIB1Rm/mY+B4QA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That's an excellent idea, Mark!!!! I may end up trying that myself as I have the exact same setup on my Tiger and have experienced that problem before. Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:19 PM To: Jay Laifman; Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Today Jay, If I remember correctly, your car has a smaller Holley 4BBL (465 CFM?) on top of a F4B manifold. I have also had hot start problems using a similar setup on one of my cars. When attempting to re-start after the hot car sits for a few minutes the engine only spins, and when it finally does start it feels like it is loaded up or the choke is on. In my case this was caused by the fuel boiling in the bowls, the pressure builds up and the fuel overflows into the carb, loading up the engine. I tried heat shields and thicker gaskets but there is no head room with the F4B so you cannot use a decent phenolic insulator. I fixed this by installing a toggle switch under the dash for the pump, and I shut off the pump a minute or so before I park the car. When I come back I switch the pump back on, turn the key to prime the carb for a couple seconds, and the car starts right up with fresh cool (ish) fuel flowing into the bowls. The "secret" switch also makes a great theft deterrent. It's easy to try, there should be a connector of some type or a fuse in your fuel pump's circuit. Get your car hot and disconnect the power to the pump for a minute before you shut off the engine. Wait about 15 minutes then reconnect the pump, turn the key to let it prime for a couple seconds then see if the engine starts easily. If there is no change in its behavior then it's probably timing/spark issues. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: Jay Laifman Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 11:30 AM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Today ... I'll be back at you for hard hot starting issues later... Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 19:33:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D779942E4D for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 19:33:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CF542D4E for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 19:27:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.170] by nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2013 01:27:36 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.202] by tm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2013 01:27:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2013 01:27:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 22734 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2013 01:27:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375752456; bh=1bCQAGQjQiHiu2vQAbd3yjpokb3/RDC0DbL/cLxItpA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=O0od3TECeBgncdcpL5Lu1GaUsvNXzDgSAM1aXnvbDfrmt5lTeCW1VPiQkBHXuRyQlYq5eSy6BGcGhcFPPd2hdj68Z9kbKub3IJQ4GSe07qVdWa5mfnqiZXZTksO5IjLlaf1uf06Sl69iT2RJOqCzmuRhmWWcxEwy5OAExneDeY8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OxUGm8e7d0eGBnAq+nJI2YjucfFVsLBGTXvjgWcdOYHDUoJaYtSkHVQM4NBbiDViQcg841JhUmcQCMbZNWcdjPcl1mMQYM2QCrOsrANiOMDWoTpahcF9jf2mDrtDI3bv45HclOA9CgmLEObC1czcr03l8kLt2UmMHB+7J9moFz4=; KwBm2U8._od5q4skEDi2XimTTKNmsltN9Bc_D2sFjFT0MV2P66jfzIbmQGor LKFxqYACrTkZ56fC7abnIrfPgb5Mjih_ZWx1cBIGY0ksmP1fpOQrZCjPE.Dp wJ33xjYn4elgfDjbodJ9.J5d7wj7lNPbMFzeQhLSQ.GdlpJTmb0KsZ4fBthB p1LTeRTTDIkwTSyT1ccu0DrV9JEn7rxUh_acHlLQQ0qq3tuZG9u4Dx8RgcNY yb32H9ehSPpqDMwRMgrl6vvL3Joi8jwmEcNT7.7TVAHo5_T9YSLhalLGSaFe fYrlTWwZohy8FH6t_0v0JB3SrDeClOMchd4XsBbt5gGofB.WjMKew2sLSMz3 A6atez8JHimtRZd8Qn_ONAUgrAWjHgo0CzJ8nKtbtBR2Jce1htjNwB3lq6XC idZjYXYl3Z4f2Z5tcIpCATuBKJBmQbJDjJE4641WPhREcOwgGkolgiA26MbW ffqc4WmFivjdIuWS30HVuwp0qtrWunPoZrhlQcnrdrIakJG1GC_uQV44- Received: from [173.48.171.26] by web161002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 18:27:36 PDT IgpJbnZpdGluZyBhbGwgdG8gam9pbiB1cyB0byBjZWxlYnJhdGUgNjAgeWVhcnMgb2YgdGhlIEFscGluZS4uRWFzdGVybiBzaG9yZQpNYXJ5bGFuZCBpcyBhIGdyZWF0IGxvY2F0aW9uIGFuZCB3ZSBoYXZlIGEgZ3JlYXQgZXZlbnQgcGxhbm5lZC4uQ3JhYnMswqAgY2FyCnNob3cswqAgYm9hdCB0b3VyLMKgIGxpdmUgbXVzaWMuwqAgU2F2ZSB0aGUgbG9uZyB3ZWVrZW5kIE9jdG9iZXIgMTB0aCB0aHJ1IHRoZQoxM3RoLi5jaGVjayB3ZWIgc2l0ZSBmb3IgcmVnaXN0cmF0aW9uIGFuZCBkZXRhaWxzIgoKQ2x5ZGUBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 18:27:36 -0700 (PDT) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] The United Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net " Inviting all to join us to celebrate 60 years of the Alpine..Eastern shore Maryland is a great location and we have a great event planned..Crabs, car show, boat tour, live music. Save the long weekend October 10th thru the 13th..check web site for registration and details" Clyde, look, I can be accused of being a little cranky once in a while like anyone else, but I never looked at it as a United selling point. Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 20:54:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942BC4039F for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:54:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6D74003E for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:53:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MR500LLL40DOJ40@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 21:53:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 19:53:03 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net "The "secret" switch also makes a great theft deterrent." And, if it is a Lucas switch, it is probably theft proof! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 21:44:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDAD40355 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:44:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2114003E for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:44:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo210 ([68.230.241.161]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130807034419.XHJN3846.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 23:44:19 -0400 Received: from laptop ([68.229.224.237]) by fed1rmimpo210 with cox id 9fkJ1m00G57wa9801fkKiQ; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 23:44:19 -0400 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=_D2K2ndj3H8A:10 a=Cz-eUezhqtQGHDYuNJIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=sLTh5I1lcJob4iQkNnkA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=awtiger@cox.net From: "Andy Walker" To: "'Tiger's Den'" Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 22:44:12 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6THQ//Rt4V/aYoTCyazoeZPQPemg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hey, guys: I've got a question for some of the more mathematically proficient in the group. I'm considering making some changes to my Tiger pertaining to the rear end gear ratio. Can anyone tell me how to figure what kind of rpm difference there would be at, say 70 mph, between a Tiger equipped with a stock 2.88:1 rear end and one equipped with first a 3:07.1 and then a 3:31.1 rear gear? Surely there's a formula out there that can figure that. Can anyone point me in the right direction? The bottom line here is that I need something that will get my car off the line a bit quicker without completely destroying my highway cruising capabilities. I currently am running an Edelbrock F4B and a Holley 465 cfm carb, a hydraulic version of the old Ford hi-po cam, and 13" LAT 70s with 185/70 tires. The car currently has a 2:88.1 rear gear and that makes it a bit sluggish off the line. I've heard it said that a 3.07:1 gear was about ideal for a stock Tiger, but with the cam and carburation my car has, would a 3.31:1 be a better alternative? Thanks for any advice, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 21:52:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA7040325 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:52:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074F540066 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:52:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MR500I816RLLM75@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 22:52:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <000a01ce9320$61dfda60$259f8f20$@cox.net> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 20:52:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Andy, Probably the best thing to do is go to the wide ratio transmission (assuming you have the close ratio). It will improve your off the line response and not change your "highway" ratio at all. Ironically I have heard of racers actually wanting the close ratio in the Tiger - and some have swapped to each persons advantage. There are calculators all over the internet that allow you to input tire size, ratios etc. and see what the RPMs will be. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 21:53:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428BC400AD for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:53:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cmta12.telus.net (cmta12.telus.net [209.171.16.85]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F3B40066 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:53:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from JimPC ([64.180.202.97]) by cmta12.telus.net with TELUS id 9ftW1m00H26biso01ftWaY; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 21:53:31 -0600 a=XGpgU1NhXoD5BHGiwmP3cg==:17 a=kg4CHXgqtSEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dyTapXDjAAAA:8 a=_GaaLYASJ8EA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=x_Crs1R2AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=wki0I15h3Rm6elRMLKoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=gBw44Nox7VgA:10 a=XGpgU1NhXoD5BHGiwmP3cg==:117 From: "jim" To: "'Andy Walker'" , "'Tiger's Den'" References: <000a01ce9320$61dfda60$259f8f20$@cox.net> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:53:26 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6THQ//Rt4V/aYoTCyazoeZPQPemgABFTsQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A 5 speed is the ultimate fix... but to figure out any changes to rear gears, etc. you need this... http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGearSpee dXL.asp Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andy Walker Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 8:44 PM To: 'Tiger's Den' Subject: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Hey, guys: I've got a question for some of the more mathematically proficient in the group. I'm considering making some changes to my Tiger pertaining to the rear end gear ratio. Can anyone tell me how to figure what kind of rpm difference there would be at, say 70 mph, between a Tiger equipped with a stock 2.88:1 rear end and one equipped with first a 3:07.1 and then a 3:31.1 rear gear? Surely there's a formula out there that can figure that. Can anyone point me in the right direction? The bottom line here is that I need something that will get my car off the line a bit quicker without completely destroying my highway cruising capabilities. I currently am running an Edelbrock F4B and a Holley 465 cfm carb, a hydraulic version of the old Ford hi-po cam, and 13" LAT 70s with 185/70 tires. The car currently has a 2:88.1 rear gear and that makes it a bit sluggish off the line. I've heard it said that a 3.07:1 gear was about ideal for a stock Tiger, but with the cam and carburation my car has, would a 3.31:1 be a better alternative? Thanks for any advice, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim@island.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6274 - Release Date: 04/26/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 21:58:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FED4035A for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:58:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB3F4006D for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:58:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail214-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.231) by TX2EHSOBE006.bigfish.com (10.9.40.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 03:58:26 +0000 Received: from mail214-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail214-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39DDD6602B8; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 03:58:26 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail214-tx2: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail214-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail214-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1375847903695258_18632; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 03:58:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS018.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.240]) by mail214-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D21D9C0050; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 03:58:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by TX2EHSMHS018.bigfish.com (10.9.99.118) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 03:58:18 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT06.ad.garmin.com (10.2.0.28) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 22:58:34 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.186]) by olawpa-exht06.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.0.28]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 22:58:16 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Andy Walker Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Thread-Index: Ac6THQ//Rt4V/aYoTCyazoeZPQPemgABUhHh Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 03:58:16 +0000 References: <000a01ce9320$61dfda60$259f8f20$@cox.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Andy, I have 3.31 gears in my Tiger. At 70 mph in direct drive (4th in the toploader or the t5) it turns about 3500 rpm... Kinda busy and not great for mileage. The T5 has a 0.67 overdrive and that takes care of things. Others have already pointed to Bob's calculator; it will let you play with all the numbers. If you want to make a change then 3.07 is probably the better compromise. Theo On 2013-08-06, at 9:44 PM, "Andy Walker" wrote: > Hey, guys: > > > > I've got a question for some of the more mathematically proficient in the > group. I'm considering making some changes to my Tiger pertaining to the > rear end gear ratio. Can anyone tell me how to figure what kind of rpm > difference there would be at, say 70 mph, between a Tiger equipped with a > stock 2.88:1 rear end and one equipped with first a 3:07.1 and then a 3:31.1 > rear gear? Surely there's a formula out there that can figure that. Can > anyone point me in the right direction? > > > > The bottom line here is that I need something that will get my car off the > line a bit quicker without completely destroying my highway cruising > capabilities. I currently am running an Edelbrock F4B and a Holley 465 cfm > carb, a hydraulic version of the old Ford hi-po cam, and 13" LAT 70s with > 185/70 tires. The car currently has a 2:88.1 rear gear and that makes it a > bit sluggish off the line. I've heard it said that a 3.07:1 gear was about > ideal for a stock Tiger, but with the cam and carburation my car has, would > a 3.31:1 be a better alternative? > > > > Thanks for any advice, > > Andy Walker > > Edmond, OK > > B382001600LRXFE > > TAC #740 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 22:41:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCAEF40325 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 22:41:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2C84006E for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 22:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id o6so529447oag.13 for ; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 21:41:06 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=PrR8JZ2GyrbGbHXs/v+Ju7ciBzsJoaKFxbf6mkdsbIQ=; b=fqPBNxytzmItsLN+ssD/q3/fyPsSz5jtfP+aWF3t8yczx/lBTW4dPulnVXq4o7NQt1 tY3dnZ4NzC7uvOin/NuJAhwhJak8hoBWrjLIsdhaovBW9VBKt+pMkvecoAotkp3yVAZ1 3GVVYuIuAvxCtQXSIPzxeuf+MAfSUOopvYIoYVr7Z8j8PyZhSFr/ieNYQGZEkwnZAF2o /v2hX3Ly14n+rpVUSxFCnSue+eubs4e+IvgHZiFNH4a3QyY/0TtZLQg0JazugfEigrA+ 8hNe2rPmHHlzlNKBKIXpyb6eN5leR5wAfnKwGeqvK3944U8Du8zolRmJeYuxyQ9YTArV BPNQ== q5mr1021472oem.79.1375850466270; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 21:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.103.136 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:41:06 -0700 (PDT) References: <000a01ce9320$61dfda60$259f8f20$@cox.net> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:41:06 +1000 From: michael king To: Andy Walker Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Andy, with 185/70/13's the following will be the RPM/speed: 3.07:1 60mph: 2669 rpm 70mph: 3114 rpm 3.31:1 60mph: 2878 rpm 70mph: 3357 rpm For what it's worth. if you are prepared to pull the rear end... dont... you are better off switching to the wide ratio trans gears.. you will get a shorter first and quicker take off without hurting cruising rpm. I have a 3.07 and run 195/60/14 ... the wide ratio gives a better first than i have even with shorter gears,, and better highway. The 5 speed is the best option.. you could run a slightly shorter rear.. have brutal acceleration.. and still better than stock highway... then again.. traction might be harder to come by off the line... i would switch out your first gear ratio before you swap the rear end. just my .02 -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 01:28:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982DB4032B for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 01:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm43-vm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm43-vm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.87.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9264009A for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 01:26:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.60] by nm43.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2013 07:26:13 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.207] by tm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2013 07:26:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2013 07:26:13 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375860373; bh=oE8lah6lTnb+INqUYPZwteYIIzK/HdXMg9y7NJJLUUo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qdph4OheB29V/ZLXpxHYrAk3gigxOj80tJB4glWgXdMziii80AFi4/muKLhbvI7F/TtlK8RPgGdpJwGh69Ucq0Eq2cNKwxtJ5tGh76O+GoaidNGvga0yha5mXTjrVYT1GlTP7YWhMBg92kPtYK77T2FeVdbaMqBiCPVW0Pr7woQ= cxv28_UeHlWgjQn0m8fevrzM8PyKpJTO9ilNfx4R0UYTMOVq5VmzHm70h90h 2H1IDHUc3F7kfCW33PrzaG7PKeI9KgFpP4HTs7guhLJimVF3wGMHTfmmkzFF qnLBhd3HdqE2DgzwnkDMt.Qew0ODQm1_O_.n9rxlDLTgi3MzRpL_lAXfUJ6J Wy8HsNgyjW4HOsf6pXbwKTSoX4HUYnlbfxqkIjutoZjtt_hiDe4WotANIKHT JIV6TbbOau99qXXYCa1.QLjv2XUiLLSZHDXpQvv2RcUUvn.P6yS17xMxkPu5 6Zhbf.itbdkGuw_b_ApE0biGmniSNtt.kJvj_PrsKaS9q93dVhB2XfByhLbC du0j7P6v2IeGc6cNhvGFVJM4NIJand.C0w4c2DRj6bmwX6J5JVmeALpezdVJ AHvgKaPpEmwSWSyGny8.BAji8DXPWdgBTzyqkX3PtMPDR2jaRWp2Le_NrLth IHM2zAlXqOFcxBN3s_FnrZUQL.BCaBa404vEzxvxnW1eVO7ZSZ7z86KeWW6M 6iFfe_ZQy6lbQrjlhrwQkVPvhV90tye1GrAQfowk- smtp218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Aug 2013 07:26:13 +0000 UTC Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 02:26:28 -0500 From: TtT To: Andy Walker , 'Tiger's Den' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Andy, if you go to 331 gears, you will have wheel hop with higher rpm line shots when running 13 inch wheels. Assuming the hp is there. My first Tiger (1972) had 331 gears, 13 inch wheels with 60s and a 289 with a huge can, it ate my. 2nd Tiger alive (I bought it later from my friend) which had a rebuilt 260, four barell intake and Carb. with 288 gears.I'm now running 288 gears a five speed and 15 inch wheels. I can go through town in 5th gear at 1000 rpm, my speedo has never worked since the Sent from Huawei Mobile Andy Walker wrote: >Hey, guys: > > > >I've got a question for some of the more mathematically proficient in the >group. I'm considering making some changes to my Tiger pertaining to the >rear end gear ratio. Can anyone tell me how to figure what kind of rpm >difference there would be at, say 70 mph, between a Tiger equipped with a >stock 2.88:1 rear end and one equipped with first a 3:07.1 and then a 3:31.1 >rear gear? Surely there's a formula out there that can figure that. Can >anyone point me in the right direction? > > > >The bottom line here is that I need something that will get my car off the >line a bit quicker without completely destroying my highway cruising >capabilities. I currently am running an Edelbrock F4B and a Holley 465 cfm >carb, a hydraulic version of the old Ford hi-po cam, and 13" LAT 70s with >185/70 tires. The car currently has a 2:88.1 rear gear and that makes it a >bit sluggish off the line. I've heard it said that a 3.07:1 gear was about >ideal for a stock Tiger, but with the cam and carburation my car has, would >a 3.31:1 be a better alternative? > > > >Thanks for any advice, > >Andy Walker > >Edmond, OK > >B382001600LRXFE > >TAC #740 >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 01:43:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC3140321 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 01:43:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.192]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C29D4009A for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 01:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.155] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2013 07:42:16 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.149] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2013 07:42:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2013 07:42:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 14708 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2013 07:42:16 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375861336; bh=dJWd2agZQLlcjE4LOhPN173bBQQmUD2udR/59cGcRqk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oq+WwJE2L3m5pFIT+9MIwJNSa+ipheYJJzdNuOucFBj369BkQtbkVJ6rpqqTcpu2NOpPO1ap6o7jfJvz9W/hPXfqcum86OQrhERGLgK/Tjh1vuh+/S1E6fCRp4XDyu4jpcXmD2n1aGB7lVSIsOeQaNYpPZwRt73ACI9axDXuWH0= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=whl7kW+xLlFDa5AvsPW8ZGJU4fbu4ClmDKSdY+cxnsJ3+lApXaNuChnXANFOdAivoggufMc1uvRw30mjH08PVGInAPMRfjaonr41Vlnwj52fdQh0WJK4kn9tHpkmEGYURsew3BfaLEYWvNi6DpMkAJ7Y4Hji9tgoe5zQ4FoN4qg=; kqfh8iZwwSAMflGG3cKtGwvJKPLcyd4cOgayeHeDU0.InnMCBuUo11afMNjX JdYj6AOid0SmkCu.M7Wy.MrMG1f1MKN343e3cCz6zEK32_T5ISUU7Zu1EdGe VZH1grKa5vZcle2nHEaHH0abYdaqVZYE82M0x8TWb1Y6f5aUy9n14Bb6c_Ye vMycxo2eX9ns6XPEJWNlKWfH96TSOhAeUktPqiJigJdUErkVGJlPM2afZLGh Dyn6BiqetuOWWJ.uid0s11ajF0mAecPMfIz1uTXOV8LZtTlwgRKSXDPhcFm0 FFMsbgYSYoXLuXIEJwRYxvYTLHaFDignhhXwO2SzEtsUcGuKmWBpN3UWDZaE RAmH1M6v0p8bmN6r4ltm7DRaXQMpQ5uFXJEuxh1QQVkOTO42Kie4.uigXp_j B5WdRy7cLnpal9JYYXpbDBU52rrv.T3WYx5KRpLUgr9cRYYgF0jcVsB6WY5J w1Gc2ShcPJcAdoFCF0pYDE057oR3zTRJ3MBhYtLv4EpbOJwwK82.yqSp1wZt Se8ffaw9HRKNl04PB.foTWRVvKSmazjZWX.Ty6QhdyAmXKCUAw3y_HZgfWXj yAuh07W0wvXB73kPpKQ9QdzTzmy6ycMPFB4phNJ06xBph.tFq7u5NclRw1x6 DazFi8nipqaq93h.UcDTxtXVqk4wDuLMTOeSnT7zYJd9uMtwZ5q_tMkNYqYB T9TrmPlI- Received: from [108.254.75.109] by web184405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 00:42:16 PDT SGVyZSBpcyBhbiBvbmxpbmUgdmVyc2lvbiBvZiB0aGUgR2VhciBhbmQgU3BlZWQgQ2FsY3VsYXRvci4gSSBoYXZlIGl0IGNvbmZpZ3VyZWQgZm9yIGEgZmV3IG9mIHRoZSB0b3AgbG9hZGVyIGdlYXIgcmF0aW9zIGFuZCBhbGwgd2ViIGJhc2VkIGluIGNhc2UgeW91IGRvbid0IGhhdmUgYSBzcHJlYWRzaGVldC4gCsKgCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuZ3RzcGFya3BsdWdzLmNvbS9HZWFyQ2FsYy5odG1sCsKgCkhUSArCoApTYW5keQogCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogQW5keSBXYWwBMAEBAQE- References: <000a01ce9320$61dfda60$259f8f20$@cox.net> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 00:42:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Sandy Ganz To: Andy Walker , 'Tiger's Den' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Here is an online version of the Gear and Speed Calculator. I have it configured for a few of the top loader gear ratios and all web based in case you don't have a spreadsheet. http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/GearCalc.html HTH Sandy ________________________________ From: Andy Walker To: 'Tiger's Den' Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 8:44 PM Subject: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Hey, guys: I've got a question for some of the more mathematically proficient in the group. I'm considering making some changes to my Tiger pertaining to the rear end gear ratio. Can anyone tell me how to figure what kind of rpm difference there would be at, say 70 mph, between a Tiger equipped with a stock 2.88:1 rear end and one equipped with first a 3:07.1 and then a 3:31.1 rear gear? Surely there's a formula out there that can figure that. Can anyone point me in the right direction? The bottom line here is that I need something that will get my car off the line a bit quicker without completely destroying my highway cruising capabilities. I currently am running an Edelbrock F4B and a Holley 465 cfm carb, a hydraulic version of the old Ford hi-po cam, and 13" LAT 70s with 185/70 tires. The car currently has a 2:88.1 rear gear and that makes it a bit sluggish off the line. I've heard it said that a 3.07:1 gear was about ideal for a stock Tiger, but with the cam and carburation my car has, would a 3.31:1 be a better alternative? Thanks for any advice, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 01:49:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700B9403A8 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 01:49:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from n11-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (n11-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [66.196.81.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1564009A for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 01:49:40 -0600 (MDT) s=gcom1024; t=1375861779; bh=Wo7USt60tE33ZpexnMvs51J+f4hOQiDxt/c/BKrvjbw=; b=MZN+EjzjEJG8tDJKZ2GMu3YIipUszEerzlJCokzHExfPmZoX4qN1XH9iYlGEGYtlqUYrCo43ttl/9XUl+KZyc38+C3kW9dy6yPveGNyPrA5JsY+ByH3yEYALuRr1Rt0A6K9IVeiTPC4dhtLT/vmB4sAWiGJh7waGk8/0XnVb+J8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=gcom1024; d=yahoo.com; b=l+guH8dIkM9zHXoduEwhKjLLJf96/aoBWOnSHGWyH3hkls4wfHksIKEuXn7V5FCQjcbFFt2RJzgtVyhbbtY26gN4EkddxUU69o/QlACtqNYcz1OU+cjigHkm4YvciJMYQMwNHZSHUHbU5Dgv7cqJz5dnuPbgpStqmHeXq/vCHGw=; Received: from [72.30.235.64] by n11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2013 07:49:39 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.200] by t1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2013 07:49:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp209.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2013 07:49:38 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375861778; bh=Wo7USt60tE33ZpexnMvs51J+f4hOQiDxt/c/BKrvjbw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=b39op9LtVPLFLxjqIInNHyQgWDyrzofQRCrKbUxG8d+c8PTFKqRyN6pbaueJ+8P9arfQfotlTO1V3AfTY+UQMe7E8hvKwd04/9M3hHoTSDcnLZs19Daetg5zn7tv0rQ5ebBdajdEKWOpSAGljFqoev3fc8xhDd9Q1Fqr4IhIOHU= luA6IOeb9hlX0oLMBtXK51Hnbq5cWQxkUHTz1F8qI9mREKWol..xQwy26uyq nU.FmKBP7MHNvuEBskifKYp6c2EFJL44gCiSOyEL1rT1Jt9LaPfmzMv95mLc boId7uv_FUWCArx.p4Ef0pA9CJA_rjYc6XkTMaz.5yiIC9009nZ.o6A0Ss1j jXHi7LmJb24P5x3SI64K9cQZJdngQTgX9uEWHmXCfG1gocdfk4tvblX53770 mMvkdbw_GRiDw6Q8NZ0cJf.6DOrergE37tIj2emTmA.TGdFPWi11cldu4J5s SOxrR_ZuUDVmCdTn5nGNxwrZKFy8XKyfpR94LzqW3L5HV59EvjlUhkd2XJjz oVJXZgRNdF.m6_HdOCnki6S1zC_33GHrx7k1Rmhr61Ro5eKQLplg_eoxPBvk O7Amoo39EbBO1h9zezsX.WhfwQzODTrAbxq4UEw7FAEVU0.ZUPtQibDosgJa Q6IkqshUkUKvHIb6l3BZk9lvo2V7OHfYJtntS1OEBNJ4IsYeWYR4GsKINbxd A8I09PF.AVETbapbZVimHrKevlAgdy9rP smtp209.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Aug 2013 00:49:38 -0700 PDT Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 02:49:53 -0500 From: TtT To: TtT , Andy Walker , 'Tiger's Den' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net sorry ..... since the T5 installation, so I can't speak to gas milage but I have. no wheel hop but better traction would be a plus. I'm also running stock 288s. I think if I had wider tires and whatever is now the best traction inhancer the LIST recommends I would have a great setup.I'm running a 302 with 289 CI heads using 350 Chevy valves, for shame, for shame and a mild can. Duke has me needing a stroker engine.That said, I don't think the five speed will hold up to lots of HP and as mentioned the wide ratio should be considered. Meanwhile I think my setup is great, I just want /need more HP and then I may have to adjust. Good Luck. TtT Sent from Huawei Mobile TtT wrote: >Andy, if you go to 331 gears, you will have wheel hop with higher rpm line shots when running 13 inch wheels. Assuming the hp is there. My first Tiger (1972) had 331 gears, 13 inch wheels with 60s and a 289 with a huge can, it ate my. 2nd Tiger alive (I bought it later from my friend) which had a rebuilt 260, four barell intake and Carb. with 288 gears.I'm now running 288 gears a five speed and 15 inch wheels. I can go through town in 5th gear at 1000 rpm, my speedo has never worked since the >Sent from Huawei Mobile > >Andy Walker wrote: > >>Hey, guys: >> >> >> >>I've got a question for some of the more mathematically proficient in the >>group. I'm considering making some changes to my Tiger pertaining to the >>rear end gear ratio. Can anyone tell me how to figure what kind of rpm >>difference there would be at, say 70 mph, between a Tiger equipped with a >>stock 2.88:1 rear end and one equipped with first a 3:07.1 and then a 3:31.1 >>rear gear? Surely there's a formula out there that can figure that. Can >>anyone point me in the right direction? >> >> >> >>The bottom line here is that I need something that will get my car off the >>line a bit quicker without completely destroying my highway cruising >>capabilities. I currently am running an Edelbrock F4B and a Holley 465 cfm >>carb, a hydraulic version of the old Ford hi-po cam, and 13" LAT 70s with >>185/70 tires. The car currently has a 2:88.1 rear gear and that makes it a >>bit sluggish off the line. I've heard it said that a 3.07:1 gear was about >>ideal for a stock Tiger, but with the cam and carburation my car has, would >>a 3.31:1 be a better alternative? >> >> >> >>Thanks for any advice, >> >>Andy Walker >> >>Edmond, OK >> >>B382001600LRXFE >> >>TAC #740 >>_______________________________________________ >> >>tigers@autox.team.net >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 07:58:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFCA40E52 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 07:58:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D1E40E1C for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 07:58:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo209 ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130807135816.OWGY3853.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo209> for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:58:16 -0400 Received: from eastrmwml108 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo209 with cox id 9pyG1m00A4h0NJL01pyG3v; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 09:58:16 -0400 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=UyHOC7Gu_PIA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=_GaaLYASJ8EA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=ltuxPRC4Ov7CpqpCnhIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 204.61.12.74 by webmail.east.cox.net; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 9:58:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 9:58:16 -0400 From: To: michael king Sensitivity: Normal Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A big "thank you" to all of you who responded to my gearing question!!! The calculators and spreadsheets that several of you turned me on to are of great assistance. So, the general concensus I'm getting from you guys appears to be that the close-ratio tranny is more of a culprit in contributing to slower off-the-line response than is the rear end ratio. Going to the wide-ratio gears does sound like the answer I'm looking for as it yields the best of everything without cutting up the car; quicker response off the line and easier on the clutch while still maintaining the highway rear gear advantages of less noise, less wear and tear on the engine and reasonable gas mileage. This may be the route that I should take as I'm going to have to have my trans gone through anyway when I replace the clutch in the car this winter. This would be a great opportunity to make the suggested ratio changes. Having said that, it appears that most of you who have made this change have done so by just changing the gears in your close-ratio boxes. So, to Gary and others who have done this, where should I be looking for the parts I would need to make the recommended gear ratio changes? Thanks again for the suggestions and assistance, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ---- michael king wrote: > Andy, > > with 185/70/13's the following will be the RPM/speed: > > 3.07:1 > 60mph: 2669 rpm > 70mph: 3114 rpm > > 3.31:1 > 60mph: 2878 rpm > 70mph: 3357 rpm > > For what it's worth. if you are prepared to pull the rear end... dont... > you are better off switching to the wide ratio trans gears.. you will get a > shorter first and quicker take off without hurting cruising rpm. I have a > 3.07 and run 195/60/14 ... the wide ratio gives a better first than i have > even with shorter gears,, and better highway. > > The 5 speed is the best option.. you could run a slightly shorter rear.. > have brutal acceleration.. and still better than stock highway... then > again.. traction might be harder to come by off the line... > > i would switch out your first gear ratio before you swap the rear end. just > my .02 > > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 08:05:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C19F42709 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:05:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2A2406A2 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4B920700C6935; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.13]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9980DE00008A; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:05:14 -0400 (EDT) From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com Full-name: FHSLOTH13 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:05:14 -0400 (EDT) To: awtiger@cox.net, michael.s.king@gmail.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1375884315; bh=a85WLTk1Ygl1gw/qAo3+6s4LHpvbDiGJ8KZiwc+kn3Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=N+oHUWemnwQutOy+6h1j0iXZECOpyiVT2VWt8zqJPGr+5ZmKUHbIngHdhJ2MoIaLg XsvQE7iSEJMWKrHltQo1wigXA/H31aEEzzzDxD2dqxKWmgRnZVZi5EEgiPLLS1BYvE LZk1pzqCNn4emUBTPlEJyrrSt3ACmXWo1OEVk4kQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29485202541a59a6 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Seems to me that a change in rear end gear ratios would also be a ratio. For example, going from 2.88 to 3.07 would give a ratio of 1.066. Taking this times the RPM at a speed using 2.88 gears and multiplying by 1.066 gives the RPM with the new gears at the given speed. My Tiger runs 2400 RPM at 60 MPH with 2.88 gears. With 3.07 gears the RPM would be approximately 2558 RPM. This assumes everything else stays the same. Fred Baum In a message dated 8/7/2013 9:58:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, awtiger@cox.net writes: A big "thank you" to all of you who responded to my gearing question!!! The calculators and spreadsheets that several of you turned me on to are of great assistance. So, the general concensus I'm getting from you guys appears to be that the close-ratio tranny is more of a culprit in contributing to slower off -the-line response than is the rear end ratio. Going to the wide-ratio gears does sound like the answer I'm looking for as it yields the best of everything without cutting up the car; quicker response off the line and easier on the clutch while still maintaining the highway rear gear advantages of less noise, less wear and tear on the engine and reasonable gas mileage. This may be the route that I should take as I'm going to have to have my trans gone through anyway when I replace the clutch in the car this winter. This would be a great opportunity to make the suggested ratio changes. Having said that, it appears that most of you who have made this change have done so by just changing the gears in your close-ratio boxes. So, to Gary and others who have done this, where should I be looking for the parts I would need to make the recommended gear ratio changes? Thanks again for the suggestions and assistance, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 08:36:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5A04271D for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:36:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF773425AB for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r77ESDWe027452 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 07:29:53 -0700 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9f1d) id dm0225.51f029fb.19ac65 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 07:29:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 07:29:52 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <20130807095816.7MAD0.10643.imail@eastrmwml108> engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-07_01:2013-08-06,2013-08-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308070107 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jumping in late on this thread with a question. What is the motivation for getting 'off the line' quicker? Are we street racing from light to light? Drag racing? Have more money for fuel or what? Some kid in a KIA get after you (us)? At no time in my past did I ever really feel that the Tiger actually needed more get up and go at the light. Especially considering that low gear is one used so little most of us shifting to a higher gear fairly quickly. I always found that the fuse in the car was traction even with the box stock 260 in my car. So, what gives? What's the motivation? mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 8/7/2013 6:58 AM, awtiger@cox.net wrote: > A big "thank you" to all of you who responded to my gearing question!!! The calculators and spreadsheets that several of you turned me on to are of great assistance. > > So, the general concensus I'm getting from you guys appears to be that the close-ratio tranny is more of a culprit in contributing to slower off-the-line response than is the rear end ratio. Going to the wide-ratio gears does sound like the answer I'm looking for as it yields the best of everything without cutting up the car; quicker response off the line and easier on the clutch while still maintaining the highway rear gear advantages of less noise, less wear and tear on the engine and reasonable gas mileage. This may be the route that I should take as I'm going to have to have my trans gone through anyway when I replace the clutch in the car this winter. This would be a great opportunity to make the suggested ratio changes. > > Having said that, it appears that most of you who have made this change have done so by just changing the gears in your close-ratio boxes. So, to Gary and others who have done this, where should I be looking for the parts I would need to make the recommended gear ratio changes? > > Thanks again for the suggestions and assistance, > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > TAC #740 > > > ---- michael king wrote: >> Andy, >> >> with 185/70/13's the following will be the RPM/speed: >> >> 3.07:1 >> 60mph: 2669 rpm >> 70mph: 3114 rpm >> >> 3.31:1 >> 60mph: 2878 rpm >> 70mph: 3357 rpm >> >> For what it's worth. if you are prepared to pull the rear end... dont... >> you are better off switching to the wide ratio trans gears.. you will get a >> shorter first and quicker take off without hurting cruising rpm. I have a >> 3.07 and run 195/60/14 ... the wide ratio gives a better first than i have >> even with shorter gears,, and better highway. >> >> The 5 speed is the best option.. you could run a slightly shorter rear.. >> have brutal acceleration.. and still better than stock highway... then >> again.. traction might be harder to come by off the line... >> >> i would switch out your first gear ratio before you swap the rear end. just >> my .02 >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Michael King > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 09:37:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9F142821 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og101.obsmtp.com (exprod5og101.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EEB427D3 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cinmlip10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.4.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob101.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUgJpYRY0CnpZWBVOnpD/gOY1eg9ZXcDX@postini.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 08:36:02 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO alpmlef08.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.18.17]) by cinmlip10.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2013 11:36:00 -0400 Received: from cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.213.93]) by alpmlef08.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:35:59 -0400 Received: from alpmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.17.20]) by cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:35:58 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA07.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.36) by alpmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.17.20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:35:54 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.243]) by CINMBCNA07.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.1.224]) with mapi id 14.03.0136.001; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:35:54 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: Andy Walker , 'Tiger's Den' Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Thread-Index: Ac6THQ//Rt4V/aYoTCyazoeZPQPemgAS3EHQ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 15:35:53 +0000 References: <000a01ce9320$61dfda60$259f8f20$@cox.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.193] FILETIME=[D08E5230:01CE9383] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Andy, I'll share a little experience with gearing. I have two Tigers, one has a high-revving 6800 RPM (no snickering, Buck) 289 with the standard close ratio Toploader, a 3.23 rear end and 205/60-13 (22.8" diameter) tires. The other car is a low-revving (5800 RPM) 331 stroker with stock 2.88 but with the wide ratio gear set in the Toploader and 205/60-14 (23.7" diameter) tires. In either case the cars will easily overcome available traction with much spin and hop. I have a set of Hoosier R6s for the 289 car and those tires have a lot of bite but still spin like hell. When I built the stroker car I went with the wide ratio to keep the stock rear end and therefore lower RPM at motorway speeds. I had the opportunity to flog both cars last weekend through some of S.E. Ohio's famous back roads and actually preferred the 289 car with the close ratio box, it was a better combination for tight roads when running 50 to 70 mph. The stroker car is all about torque (over 325 lb-ft from 2100 to 5700) and was more comfortable when I just left it in fourth and powered out of the turns, with an occasional downshift for switch-backs and to blast past the errant Amish buggy. In short, the close ratio was more fun and more involving to drive, the wide ratio was more relaxing and less fatiguing. Two different kinds of quick. On the Interstate the 331 car with the bigger tires and 2.88 turns about 500 rpm lower so is more relaxed and less stressed on long trips. So what to do? If your engine has a broad torque curve, the wide ratio is the way to go, this also preserves the 2.88 rear end for those 80 mph I-35 runs, plus it keeps your car close to original. A 5-speed would be the best choice but you either go cheap and modify the car's sheetmetal or spend cubic dollars and use Tom Hall's T-5 kit or the new Tremec drop-in kit from Bill Martin. Also keep in mind what you plan to do about tires in the future. There simply are no more decent 13" or 14" tires out there, so the jump to 15" or 16" will change your running diameter and your effective gearing. Your current tire is about 23.2" in diameter, a 205/50-15 is right at 23" dia, a 225/50-15 is 23.8", all part of the equation. For Toploader parts I have had great service from David Kee Toploaders in San Antonio TX, I have bought gear clusters and complete rebuild kits from him. He will also rebuild yours with a nice wide ratio cluster. Be aware that to rebuild a Toploader with a new gear cluster and bearing kit will be north of $1100. Good luck, Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andy Walker Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 11:44 PM To: 'Tiger's Den' Subject: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Hey, guys: I've got a question for some of the more mathematically proficient in the group. I'm considering making some changes to my Tiger pertaining to the rear end gear ratio. Can anyone tell me how to figure what kind of rpm difference there would be at, say 70 mph, between a Tiger equipped with a stock 2.88:1 rear end and one equipped with first a 3:07.1 and then a 3:31.1 rear gear? Surely there's a formula out there that can figure that. Can anyone point me in the right direction? The bottom line here is that I need something that will get my car off the line a bit quicker without completely destroying my highway cruising capabilities. I currently am running an Edelbrock F4B and a Holley 465 cfm carb, a hydraulic version of the old Ford hi-po cam, and 13" LAT 70s with 185/70 tires. The car currently has a 2:88.1 rear gear and that makes it a bit sluggish off the line. I've heard it said that a 3.07:1 gear was about ideal for a stock Tiger, but with the cam and carburation my car has, would a 3.31:1 be a better alternative? Thanks for any advice, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark.rense@ge.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 09:41:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF97642851 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:41:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C73427E1 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:41:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CC5E87003F61A for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqe005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.81]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 90A0DE000082 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:41:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:41:52 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1375890112; bh=tjMF+n/SxE1d28bE44LFt+aZ5Sl9uXbQ0J46Iqyl6rU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wR830TD4smUE39Tynuv/lwxYQe127NZWAROPHfBLm3aQqhvXFvZJYUoUkFLsDJNm6 tB7oNkHjwpDjnR5kT6ELgwy/EjkMXOdukiOAjVz33LF/czlkkd3dEKjV9lS/xHy7GE FUXn3TFgonrQMI81VBVHR541RPL5e/4hMcCQ7xvU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338952026ac0373e Subject: [Tigers] Tiger vs. Alpine rear end Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, Andy Walker's question got me thinking: - Do the Tiger and Alpine have the same type of rear end? - If so, is the Alpine a source of gearing for the Tiger? Best to all, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 09:54:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5423242874 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:54:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f44.google.com (unknown [209.85.128.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ADA2427D9 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:48:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 6so1092903qeb.3 for ; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 08:47:47 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=K2mUaoHUcU+Q1h8qOiIBtpnfnJSyxm17UgA3HScstio=; b=GWJB9ISZoRq6dflNokcNB6FxbgxnWW4goYOxvJ/TycR0DN3A0MjVDoyPzjFQ2VvsR5 QJRaxwHVLivVHs2ksKhbfa0RXOhfV7eS5tPpVgynB/OschjWXocCirTrBISuH/fxfFXq mzv5YLXFCoFurwl1GJkOV4P4J9wvXzH6EMA1c+mtKbxGfq7KsYurP7SDG0IlaSLtA8i/ 6/38x7J6oSBColLbW9wKhAN74Rk35wiLCSUrIQOGgJ4RW0tf62WGomV4X7iYPx6du4Qb kjggEzKY/vLYHrw43a3AN2SnIa09JPSeZfC6wG01sdxvibKQe7CdeHatnXZyt4SRzixd B0WA== y8mr1412426qat.27.1375890467531; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 08:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.182.141 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:47:47 -0700 (PDT) References: <2e023.184f57b2.3f33c4c0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:47:47 -0400 From: Jim Sencindiver To: Rollright@aol.com Cc: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger vs. Alpine rear end Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The Tiger Rear end is specific to the Tiger. The Alpine rear end would not withstand Ford V8 torque. Keep on Tigering! Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 09:56:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B092142874 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:56:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f52.google.com (mail-pb0-f52.google.com [209.85.160.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9994C427D9 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:49:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id wz12so2040086pbc.25 for ; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 08:49:29 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=cYDp2fKL77zYeiTwDQYFLB4JgrKyGULHfkPU4CGyFZk=; b=oIQUAezwlM+IQ7ObyT2x5tqIy6fq8N+HhbAA07t/tPAkqWi4fbdW2jUO4HzxhWHLC/ Q88qU7vdWExoqJdo2dymDVAuYA02Ua5JvuMWwx5Z93CS8aAX87PP4KLQ6w8IDRefhNJB VxVScMbePRKVmyakO58DIrD/uzb7gzxYVhTSLu0P2N2YQ5XKCrqqTs64hpHJgKU4LVqr ywzlu2WpDNFp2FhXKi+03hJ6VRgazFvAXGihxyaENUVjZupNUE8+tXfZ0XZnrxz8johF mZaVqlAiXjJPb1BmtFc3CDHTsInmvD7GAlgM/0+sUM3D05pQN8y/fPEioB7HZ5UtMR/t FW9A== sf6mr1430505pac.21.1375890569418; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 08:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.126.197 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:49:29 -0700 (PDT) References: <2e023.184f57b2.3f33c4c0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:49:29 -0500 From: Cullen McCann To: Rollright@aol.com Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger vs. Alpine rear end Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net nooooooo.... the Tiger uses a Dana-based rear axle, and the alpine uses something british that I dont know anything about. looks like a cute little ford 9" only A LOT smaller. I ALMOST knew the whole answer!!!!! Cullen On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 10:41 AM, wrote: > Hello, > > Andy Walker's question got me thinking: > - Do the Tiger and Alpine have the same type of rear end? > - If so, is the Alpine a source of gearing for the Tiger? > > Best to all, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 10:01:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BDA428ED for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:01:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46389400A5 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:00:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.170] by nm21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2013 16:00:51 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.208] by tm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2013 16:00:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2013 16:00:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 90026 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2013 16:00:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375891251; bh=Ca9BpD96oC15GgZZsLMZbAGAxQtWtuK4C6rf28nNveo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ebPxQzG7Hri62bbTjiEaak16XsrDsfXP4cnmK6/yCa3AA3ha8RkA+DJlAYhm7g3hwhcRe8zdellDVian9lPZAbi/l8Sk9LZT4JqYVXxX3sUxph2vtqvszYFARC2TbHe5EUr3ex01+E2g6gKOXgBnn+1Ibo4+jna1iDWcF0w6CVw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=B/Ox3370JxEEc0nZ9r7HC+wOJvkaH7tMq22b1xw/XLptHDP2bI+vI4bdDQNGgRm+FwcgDBV3usEUX759otZWR2xqPxEZiRNZIZOUQnG4k30w9BJi2G9Rgxt5sN5M+4fLHZZjAEFrhyRFa6QcYuAG/Khu9EWFiRGEojyQhT8u9EY=; iCMSeMfyDACJd2BLhIivc Received: from [173.48.171.26] by web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 09:00:50 PDT WW91J2xsIHByb2JhYmx5IGdldCBtb3JlIGRldGFpbGVkIGluZm8gc29vbiwgYnV0IElJUkMsIFNhbGlzYnVyeSB3YXMgdGhlIFVLIG1hbnVmYWN0dXJlciBhbmQgbWFueSBwZW9wbGUgZGVzY3JpYmUgdGhlIGRlc2lnbiBhcyBhIERhbmEgNDQgdHlwZSwgd2hpY2ggaXMgdGhlIHR5cGUgdXNlZCBvbiBzb21lIEplZXBzIHdpdGggc29saWQgcmVhciBheGxlcy4gSSBkb24ndCB0aGluayBpdCdzIHNpbWlsYXIgdG8gQWxwaW5lLiBBcyBzb21lb25lIHdyb3RlIGVhcmxpZXIsIGlmIHRoZSBpc3N1ZSBpcyB3YW50aW4BMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:00:50 -0700 (PDT) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger rear axle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net You'll probably get more detailed info soon, but IIRC, Salisbury was the UK manufacturer and many people describe the design as a Dana 44 type, which is the type used on some Jeeps with solid rear axles. I don't think it's similar to Alpine. As someone wrote earlier, if the issue is wanting to change ratios, one solution is to do it with different gears on the gearbox. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 14:15:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B41428F4 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:15:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from out03.mta.xmission.com (out03.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EAA742928 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:15:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx01.mta.xmission.com ([166.70.13.211]) by out03.mta.xmission.com with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1V7A8U-0004po-E9; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 14:15:10 -0600 Received: from mta2.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.66]) by mx01.mta.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1V7A8U-0001L6-5A; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 14:15:10 -0600 Received: from mta2.zcs.xmission.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta2.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1068D6003D8; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:15:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LynnPC (c-50-149-96-224.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [50.149.96.224]) by mta2.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CF0AC600416; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:15:09 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lynn" To: , References: <20130807095816.7MAD0.10643.imail@eastrmwml108> <520259E0.1060307@mayfco.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:15:08 -0600 Thread-Index: AQHPOJvkKy5MNB34UTiPVX3KKdxUiAFQa5ogmX5fu/A= Content-Language: en-us to false Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have never liked the close ratio tranny. It made the car a chore to drive in my opinion. I went to a wide ratio and it immediately became more pleasant. Coming off the line no longer required me to feather the throttle. It was the single best change I did. Regarding your other questions I think many of us would answer as follows: Are we street racing from light to light? Yes Drag racing? Every chance I get. Have more money for fuel or what? Just on pay day Some kid in a KIA get after you (us)? Little pricks _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 14:20:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA8742A3D for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:20:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B2940E1C for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:19:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C298E700DB0B8; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 16:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mld005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mld005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.122.83]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9ABF7E000081; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 16:19:35 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 16:19:35 -0400 (EDT) To: cars@wt-inc.com, drmayf@mayfco.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1375906775; bh=RGacBKaq/0yO80qZ14U4bFsC44sH0N7+x7ATK/0CHyQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SVLYuF2hPYogfGRFLKW/KKcsqlj1zbrtosIrBYf/fFwIWiQ/H/tmUVjI/eioQCOFi lLQBiFKZZbjXjOLSTJW2nnOcJyxo0Fxw3te9wmW9yYG1rF+hrSZb5WL2DfWM4tFnw2 izBuERQnJTMoKvXCXOzVYv+wMpqDEihoy/oEljqc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e5202abd72c02 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net LOL In a message dated 8/7/2013 4:15:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cars@wt-inc.com writes: I have never liked the close ratio tranny. It made the car a chore to drive in my opinion. I went to a wide ratio and it immediately became more pleasant. Coming off the line no longer required me to feather the throttle. It was the single best change I did. Regarding your other questions I think many of us would answer as follows: Are we street racing from light to light? Yes Drag racing? Every chance I get. Have more money for fuel or what? Just on pay day Some kid in a KIA get after you (us)? Little pricks _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 8 01:15:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26AA042C80 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 01:15:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (unknown [98.138.91.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4100242BF4 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 01:08:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 07:08:26 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.197] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 07:08:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1055.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 07:08:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 77108 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2013 07:08:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375945706; bh=L+cvIXgPfP06PDOayUacI0utrY1d6CN6bTE68JmdU10=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IuaYsV2aq9V3N19gm1Nsjm+U9o75TNT94rE9QS1Pc1MmY+akex4yn2YsVk42ZrMBhqg+ey3TCSsWG+xKgiRE7f0qGQKd68Yl9P5zttTwDKfnfHvey/r4gKz9iz5Ncu/1oUx6Xai+wRNe9QVdz7NtpOaUiZpvmHFtqGoE9KgK/es= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=D6xq9mWrFj733ULRnFXf88eNvGUJdVpV65gtzar5DBITIBLU/P9HmSG9Tz349l/MJKZXo0v+2yuP0fqtqS2BP8lFcXIJKZpW0NVo2Hq4ph/wqkgmcwVzpWxTOVYOAXk1asgeoQFhati4pBnQMRlRzNeChpfQH3027FhSVkcbMGM=; QXTs.hPVqh3X9N6Q19zmRsffD_WyATeoK2jcbMDDwBAqPUGJSoEKP5apZvl1 NFT6wKw__fysIs6QRRLKY2JmSewtnXlW1Pqss9OHa3siVDqh.NnSp99txLab ee1ua7yb4IAa0_ZkMkiflXFWND3Kqzs1RnTuXY4aCi0TOxLtSbCMnsr3vy9Y HYH0M6DSGJt_McHbe3zY3MNWP3tdDvqN4GMzCwwM0vgSQK6Wjn3tPuombrfB pp_H1TvBJdAFAC3JTQ87nUJqXpHgyI9oxqhBVm0Zp0RQaaIoPQVzNkhri8Th b2ezfnTNd4m2gtOIZp_cMqZ8UZmDSm.j5XFQjyiNnRLIGpBX2.x88SL6FYsf FJ4UmoVNq.8LbSQXOnn2y6DwYMe.y9i11wBSpFd50iqyOQP2Kdcq1cu5zejN xC6Kf_JIon17a5O7WqN.IxXz.rYAyAfNbbqjXqBDAwgLf5cyNwFRaO7Z7xOq AuxSrd0Im8E56ZfmxF4egpYEobPoJVre4bS57GIApgqMnqHGCoIdwGIxIuNT 6TJW0EU0oXL.fxfuOK3PaPBNCStDrlhhPkKV8ovLH4crw1ux.yJX7dTsccRk FIaDnZ90pe37g80emQ3NPT5jUHU5fvYsMxifpG8KQ._g6uJvcA7eSjfXn3yQ OIDvpRdVNa4wSNNW.Ojev4MZhunkWdOko7uohtxJStmmBPmjuS10bV_3Pep7 wPYZY3dvMp8pLcc7duyq9tCpSb.k1r.CF90XnbD4jrSt_aGUtChYvdnxiEWr YJfYTRbdMJ2nkRd7349bRR1RG9L.qRg-- Received: from [172.12.229.113] by web124702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 00:08:25 PDT wqAKSSB3aG9sZWhlYXJ0ZWRseSBhZ3JlZSB3aXRoIGFsbCB0aGUgY29tbWVudHMgYWJvdXQgY29udmVydGluZyBmcm9tIGEgY2xvc2UgcmF0aW8gdHJhbnNtaXNzaW9uIHRvIGEgd2lkZSByYXRpbyBzZXR1cCB3aGlsZSBrZWVwaW5nIHRoZSAyLjg4IHJlYXJlbmQgZ2VhcnMgZm9yIHN0cmVldCBkcml2aW5nLiBNeSBmaXJzdCBUaWdlciBoYWQgYSBjbG9zZSByYXRpbyB0cmFuc21pc3Npb24gYW5kIDMuMzEgcmVhcmVuZCBnZWFycywgYW5kIGFsdGhvdWdoIGl0IHdhcyBncmVhdCBvdXQgb2YgdGhlIGhvbGUsIGkBMAEBAQE- References: <000a01ce9320$61dfda60$259f8f20$@cox.net> <1375944422.41573.YahooMailNeo@web124701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 00:08:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net B I wholeheartedly agree with all the comments about converting from a close ratio transmission to a wide ratio setup while keeping the 2.88 rearend gears for street driving. My first Tiger had a close ratio transmission and 3.31 rearend gears, and although it was great out of the hole, it was terrible at 70 mph on the highway at 3500 rpms. Granted, a close ratio setup is great on a road course where you want your engine rpm in the sweet spot of the torque curve at all times, but stop and go street driving is a drag with such a tall first gear. The factory 2.78 wide ratio first gear is 20% lower than the factory 2.32 close ratio first gear. I have mentioned to some here on the TigerB List that when I converted my present Tiger to a wide ratio, I installed a 2.90 first gear instead of the factory 2.78 first gear. This makes for a 25% lower first gear over the close ratio setup. My first gear is now so low that I am next going to install 2.72 rearend gears for a 6% overdrive (compared to the 2.88s). This will drop my 2.90 first gear to a comparable 2.74 ratio, nearly identical to the factory 2.78 wide ratio, still a 19% improvement over the close ratio configuration. This will also drop my highway engine speed another ~200 rpms lower than the factory 2.88s. I spent ~$450 for new wide ratio tranny gears and sold my old close ratio gears for ~$200. The 2.72 rearend gears range from $20 to $90 and use a fine spline (26) pinion flange. I paid $50 for my rearend gears and $90 for the flange. Naturally if you farm out the labor, it will be more. But for less than $500 for parts, 1/10 the cost of aB 5 speed, I have a 2.74 first gear and a .94 overdrive, with no cutting up the car, no issues with the bellhousing, clutch, throwout bearing, linkage, speedo cable, gear shift opening or drive shaft, and an unbreakable toploader that can easily handle the torque of my 331 stroker motor. For those who are interested in a wide ratio setup, here are the best prices I have found: http://www.allstategear.com/Toploader.htm 2nd - WT296-21A - $59.10 3rd - WT296-11A - $57.60 input - WT296-16BB - $82.10 cluster - WT296-8A - $142.60 B http://toploadertransmissions.com/ 2.90 1st - $125 Note: David Kee no longer sells the 2.90 first gear, but Dan williams does. I found the Dana 44 2.72 gearsB on Craigslist and eBay and the flange you can get theB IWEB Rearends in Canada (you can use my name). B IWE Rear Ends Only 888-433-4717 ext 1, Danelle www.iwerearendsonly.com For those of us who donbt race open track and donbt feel like dropping $5,000 for a 5 speed, yet who like everyday street driving, to me this bpoor manbs overdriveb with the low first gear is the best all around setup. B Gary Crandall B P.S. For comparison purposes I have added my spreadsheet comparing tranny and rearend setups (except 3.54 and 3.73) based on a 23" tire and 6000 rpm shift point. Note that first gear for the 2.90/2.72 combo is the same as the close ratio with 3.31s, yet drops 600 rpms in fourth gear. B If anyone wants my complete original spreadsheet to play with their tire size and engine speed, email me off List. (I don't know if this will come through the List correctly) B B Tire Diameter, in B 23 Close Ratio Wide Ratio Original 5 speed Optional RPM, max B 6000 1 2.32 1 2.90 2.78 1 2.95 3.35 2 1.69 2 1.93 2 1.94 3 1.29 3 1.36 3 1.34 4 1.00 4 1.00 4 1.00 5 0.80 0.63 Rear End Ratio 2.72 B 2.88 B 3.07 B 3.31 B Transmission Speed, MPH B Speed, MPH B Speed, MPH B Speed, MPH B CloseB B B B B B B B B B B B B 1 65 B 61 B 58 B 53 B RatioB B B B B B B B B B B B B B 2 89 B 84 B 79 B 73 B 3 117 B 111 B 104 B 96 B 4 151 B 143 B 134 B 124 B WideB B B B B B B B B B B B B B 1 52 B 49 B 46 B 43 B RatioB B B B B B B B B B B B B B 2 78 B 74 B 69 B 64 B 3 111 B 105 B 98 B 91 B 4 151 B 143 B 134 B 124 B 5 SpeedB B B B B B B B B 1 51 B 48 B 45 B 42 B 2 78 B 73 B 69 B 64 B 3 113 B 106 B 100 B 93 B 4 151 B 143 B 134 B 124 B 5 189 B 178 B 167 B 155 B RPM in top gear B B B B B B B B per MPH 4 spd 5 spd 4 spd 5 spd 4 spd 5 spd 4 spd 5 spd 10 398 318 421 337 449 359 484 387 20 795 636 842 673 897 718 967 774 30 1193 954 1263 1010 1346 1077 1451 1161 40 1590 1272 1684 1347 1795 1436 1935 1548 50 1988 1590 2104 1684 2243 1795 2419 1935 60 2385 1908 2525 2020 2692 2154 2902 2322 70 2783 2226 2946 2357 3141 2513 3386 2709 80 3180 2544 3367 2694 3589 2871 3870 3096 90 3578 2862 3788 3030 4038 3230 4354 3483 100 3975 3180 4209 3367 4487 3589 4837 3870 110 4373 3498 4630 3704 4935 3948 5321 4257 120 4770 3816 5051 4041 5384 4307 5805 4644 130 5168 4134 5472 4377 5833 4666 6289 5031 140 5565 4452 5893 4714 6281 5025 6772 5418 150 5963 4770 6313 5051 6730 5384 7256 5805 B _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 8 08:42:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7303142EE7 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 08:42:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm33-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (unknown [98.136.216.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360B140E1F for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 08:13:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.175] by nm33.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 14:10:42 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.192] by tm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 14:10:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1000.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 14:10:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 50497 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2013 14:10:41 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375971041; bh=bnV1/LAEx2vcbLHvtGAPx6Le9ybIJVKrc9MIzPY47xY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=w62HBNi+4QrOewcZhOslrp3lVPsmCKe6qc8Q5jG8F76V6uZ7bHy2fGIPMu7bVHNSH0G5lVU+L5IS2C7fQO9RzjBN/YO8Iycgj1KKUIa5DykMz5AVXrmRebJ3yX3WTDcIomO21anRGbtZsaNizGI24EtuzG3xIRzYXzAdbfhSJdo= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q7bAoqxVEvsZmCgUdEgFldDvniAB3TStdQtkiqpWJyhaCYmLQFQOYx0jFfMv7aDK0YbtBPPTQgPRf7bBLNWJ/OFX032yUF5ZGZW32vK7edWvF7kLh/MlLZjlPFRDAkWh6hcv3eM+Q6dFiHzOlNGPVtIq+2pc3vcWq1NWV9wLjOg=; H54uraYr1U0uPqpgyCjYOUS54jbcVVZ1s.C7xooCQg267z7yySxHzsY12iOk E367YsNrmiv.OITJMa7_rVHutFszI7zV5b05bpEvGkYGI2j9kiQhdL75nm4V eT15uKBcO2CW359_tbCc6elO9vC2RT2iBGwG52i.addW_2hg_ZAj3N1gXgqT 3w0aWZq2JW3cCRkdX629as39jtIUnxovlE02vmlQ5EBfD89VYGz4ewiYpq68 dCB6sUD0AZGaihH7E2GCgi8Dhsr3YLAGFYPsb6j88HWZdUQQcaFQxSMWuhwT Ppp7O3Rz2WKLzYzprrqA24L.CakIYWKbyvbMnVAwl2oab5kwrV3Piys2rKJU Z4uz8cPx1tkJQD5tts2Bono5LJrDwQNAAy1LyVPFr_HjRU5XoRWD1QIwruKV Ctr.eu.vsFg0LnPd.PpeZKVlk3YiIaIXxdeC7rj6sFbBSHX_3JXvMg8uvHWI cTVtyIDOtx9BPNYbPpQv8UF050Wh93nCNf.F30rKrTnYtwE_b9kEiBIsc_aM RFmZYSe.wXW7vhch6 Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 07:10:41 PDT R29vZCBNb3JuaW5nIEFsbArCoApUaGUgTUsgMUEgaXMgcHJvZ3Jlc3NpbmcsIHBhaW50IGFuZCBib2R5IHdvcmsgY29tcGxldGUsIGVuZ2luZSwgbWVjaGFuaWNhbCwgYnJha2VzIGFyZSB0ZXN0ZWQgYW5kIGNvbXBsZXRlIOKAkyBJIGhvcGUsIGFuZCB3aXRoIG5ldyB3aXJpbmcgaGFybmVzcy7CoCBXZSBhcmUgb24gdG8gdGhlIHVuZGVyIGRhc2ggY29tcG9uZW50cyBhbmQgSSBoYXZlIGEgZmV3IHF1ZXN0aW9ucy4KwqAKCTEuIFRoZSAyIGludGFrZSB2ZW50cyBmcm9tIGluIGZyb250IG9mIHRoZSB3aW5kc2gBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 07:10:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Misc Questions - 1966 MK 1A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Good Morning All B The MK 1A is progressing, paint and body work complete, engine, mechanical, brakes are tested and complete b I hope, and with new wiring harness.B We are on to the under dash components and I have a few questions. B 1. The 2 intake vents from in front of the windshield pull air into a plastic box under the dash. 1. One door works fine, the other fell out.B How are the doors attached\secured to the plastic box?B Is there a gasket also that goes around the doors? 2. There is a drain hole at the bottom of each box b where do these route to? Do they also use one of the duck bills at the fire wall end or where? 3. A picture of the under dash, windshield wiper motor, gears and blower motor would be VERY helpful. B 1. The defroster vents on the inside\top of dash b are these suppose to be gloss black or painted a black wrinkle finish? B 1. The rear license plate has what I call an illumination bracket for 2 lights to shine up onto the tag b is this suppose to be body color or something else? B 1. Windshield frame b is this suppose to be body color or something else? B 1. Hood catch and cable release - is this supposed to be body color or something else? B 1. I have seen multiple windshield washer bottles b the one I have, not in great shape, color wise is a round circle with bRootesb in the middle with no colors b is this correct for the 1966 MK1A? B 1. I have 3 windshield washer pumps b 1 with 3 plastic tips for the lines, 1 broken tip, 1 with 2 plastic tips b I would surmise that one is inlet, 1 outlet b then to a bTb.B I even have a brand new pump, Rootes part # 5220827 which has 2 plastic tips, which I guess would need a T as well b If a bTb is required b metal or plastic and the size of the lines would be? B 1. B I know I found a website that had color 11 X 17 wiring diagrams for my 1973 MGB; is there such a wiring diagrams for the MK 1A Tigers? B I know I asked a lot of questions here but after start up and driving the Tiger with a MG midget seat, not bolted in, I am a little excited to keep moving forward. B As always, thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise. B Regards, Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 8 08:43:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D1842F1D for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 08:43:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CA242EB9 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 08:41:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 14:41:06 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.164] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 14:41:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1065.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 14:41:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 67677 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2013 14:41:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375972865; bh=MSJZ+/VmjnUzvnle+jhFfnnohfG8lqn+DCMXKHNSwzs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZYk85tXxAivE4nlxA5yS/JHCakLFrLEswQ9USe8ntpJFQ/q3q5f+DpyiivjM0WxQcGL/BpkUu8krcuCObS8VilHdSYURLNyYTNW16lKWzctkEPa5Ra1gcwqrwMkxYLIGiltzLYpvtxxpq0+xWmVKTLqQ0HKzOC4cBeV6w5aUvSg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6mjergCXYYzTbhsXKZr7jMqf8yponXwkE5zd5lNGOvtnVYqO39SqYCEGvUtuNVtmGjD0LXV5HqFQlAnJ8Fsw2fqKyoCtgPzB4Wn7uCOoCZrsRT+6Hx28ZCdpm8nHwUnZBQSuqWQUc+s4Jk85iT5K5m2Joo6VNPuZFMkeNAujArs=; _7BMOEtUsfQTcXsBKhz6Tm7csJ.Ok1Kfr5UecvZlQDrNLFyF1_TFdcGfjltJ kqMLiH8pdieUfxu2VvIqs_naJPGbXKnXWv0_IixMsD4cZ7PlkHxbi8dgjogB JOz8EW1O1mMYVqhdUyPQmGazoOyG4UyKU_YOubhihj7OzXJhl5K29.IOGAEw .earDDZSMqnSfBR4HszUGDzpRL88ihkhsMukZ_ts2HUhvYF8m0aScMZo_ZkT 35q4fjtq09.AFeBlrpKrmib9ccjsx_I19Rk3aQjWl5C0rMMY7yF713.HmjVs Fx5QuojY0MucmCy8j4Xbq_kpsqq6wyMzG3mSsc2Wi09F8dVUG4syrGWJWf6r NVXW.obZZVLoerZJW1jgkZMzL8K8CDWEEVTvSauUszGZAvuch6Vzz4tfZ5if WsXb7aRS6LfivMEZ2OQU7pFpmMNxHIxTNQy7Bei1kieHfvvBQiOp_i1qaKqs XiUCoWGyVVLHW5Qre1wXxO8MPQhamy08pUNPzfbgNrqNS6MTQC9kW8z.v4eF 0v.grNwLz7rF_rFoAcCbQYNT_85LOUepgFWFRi8Ho9oQN2SRgNchSk8_y3Fi I45VuTBy4_2XdyIBYJtINMzaCqlblUHbIty1Fw10qxJnaJ6DikZIllX.9Sjm vua5Mu0cCvTu.Y_inkmmDdX3lJSEG3aUHmzjK.o8WAUx7wwohCuZrKh3nsBn hlZM_AuczBwiJCEP3KwmdgpiRuRI8OJZzMhqU18yzPBYIJWkB6_1PrPAUU.k d13L0_87yw5HcikIqcZGJ3TS7UOsbtrAUjjE- Received: from [172.12.229.113] by web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 07:41:05 PDT VGhlIGZvcm1hdCBnb3QgbWVzc2VkIHVwIG9uIG15IGxhc3QgcG9zdC4gTGV0IG1lIHRyeSBpdCBhZ2Fpbi4KwqAKSSB3aG9sZWhlYXJ0ZWRseSBhZ3JlZSB3aXRoIGFsbCB0aGUgY29tbWVudHMgYWJvdXQgY29udmVydGluZyBmcm9tIGEgY2xvc2UgcmF0aW8gdHJhbnNtaXNzaW9uIHRvIGEgd2lkZSByYXRpbyBzZXR1cCB3aGlsZSBrZWVwaW5nIHRoZSAyLjg4IHJlYXJlbmQgZ2VhcnMgZm9yIHN0cmVldCBkcml2aW5nLiBNeSBmaXJzdCBUaWdlciBoYWQgYSBjbG9zZSByYXRpbyB0cmFuc21pc3Npb24gYW5kIDMBMAEBAQE- References: <000a01ce9320$61dfda60$259f8f20$@cox.net> <5BCEDF6364584489864542D2107F6A3A@optiplex3301> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 07:41:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The format got messed up on my last post. Let me try it again. B I wholeheartedly agree with all the comments about converting from a close ratio transmission to a wide ratio setup while keeping the 2.88 rearend gears for street driving. My first Tiger had a close ratio transmission and 3.31 rearend gears, and although it was great out of the hole, it was terrible at 70 mph on the highway at 3500 rpms. Granted, a close ratio setup is great on a road course where you want your engine rpm in the sweet spot of the torque curve at all times, but stop and go street driving is a drag with such a tall first gear. B The factory 2.78 wide ratio first gear is 20% lower than the factory 2.32 close ratio first gear. I have mentioned to some here on the TigerB List that when I converted my present Tiger to a wide ratio, I installed a 2.90 first gear instead of the factory 2.78 first gear. This makes for a 25% lower first gear over the close ratio setup. My first gear is now so low that I am next going to install 2.72 rearend gears for a 6% overdrive (compared to the 2.88s). This will drop my 2.90 first gear to a comparable 2.74 ratio, nearly identical to the factory 2.78 ratio, still a 19% improvement over the close ratio configuration. This will also drop my highway engine speed another ~200 rpms lower than the factory 2.88s. B I spent ~$450 for new wide ratio tranny gears and sold my old close ratio gears for ~$200. The 2.72 rearend gears range from $20 to $90 and use a fine spline (26) pinion flange. I paid $50 for my rearend gears and $90 for the flange. Naturally if you farm out the labor it will be more. But for less than $500 for parts, 1/10 the cost of a 5 speed, I have a 2.74 first gear and a .94 overdrive, with no cutting up the car, no problems with the speedo cable or gear shift opening, and an unbreakable toploader that can easily handle the torque of my 331 stroker motor. B For those who are interested in a wide ratio setup, here are the best prices I have found: http://www.allstategear.com/Toploader.htm 2nd - WT296-21A - $59.10 3rd - WT296-11A - $57.60 input - WT296-16BB - $82.10 cluster - WT296-8A - $142.60 B http://toploadertransmissions.com/ 2.90 1st - $125 B Note: David Kee no longer sells the 2.90 first gear, but Dan Williams does. The Dana 44 2.72 gears I found on Craigslist and eBay and the flange you can get fromB IWEB Rearends in Canada. You can use my name. B IWE Rear Ends Only FREEB 888-433-4717B end_of_the_skype_highlighting ext 1, Danelle www.iwerearendsonly.com B B For those of us who donbt race open track and donbt feel like droppingB 'cubic dollars'B for a 5 speed, yet who like everyday street driving, to me this bpoor manbs overdriveb with the low first gear is the best all around setup. B Gary _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 8 09:01:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9365542F19 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 09:01:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm28-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm28-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2B5427D1 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 08:55:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm28.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 14:55:46 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.7] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 14:55:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 14:55:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 39301 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2013 14:55:45 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375973745; bh=AulV3kArX0pdHiBm526ns1YhyhRNMfYjWdAkkgFyFE0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Kknxp6eBg7Kyx5VMOxUnsUmSIfqPMV982cJic7LmJtU8uFR9DTkyqBLhc2nlbbYEjyn7muxV6ldfDyN0+7vaX9QkPuMRFIMT5F6GyKfshYeIEfJTElUeVjoctupzcNs0puKKUDXp+vJ9tfIJzx8ouDeO6BJGTeE743/Zd5e0R/o= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ecWq+efQanz2PBjSbYP+5bXQm2kIKuFGQMogMNtXv8JiaAd6gJwatT//8h6mcPhHGANIZOdJXpMKG0Gz5jRRnX7cqnBUctuKcLQOfP8uFJtbw7qTBXAi9Uh/v7N2VBXN/uTF9XX73e3+/4PVp1XPncdsb/A5/4ZngXfvXICwOG8=; mi1J5ULCUuDyYkUUwQfWk5GtyaGkYF2fVRbYevXT6hgCGg96gJAPNtX0tk8y bCThNG5kIXjaVHckXrrQ8hZhT2lrw9MA3T4J2jjTqAFKYPvHQgR8weh0I6C3 V3WdAp4ZNZSrC6cyZs0T6IuRolmOlJjGrK_1LWlotsgh47GHRNquaX6_jbp4 6W_azsHQTZbVXH6t_sgQ_vC70ydSS_BJYmIfw6kIQZsDME03bd_Zp7S6CXD4 NNMFVevt.Q.iWnJpvM8CsxzfR3p2uHYlK8qH_fP6T78tq5BZTE2e35JV5wY9 P_hC9qRgASdzzl_EYDj60KaQQ4Lpt_Ps4P.b_I0rYU3bh1qGLiRqq7Olm_Kk gWFaTGSHrwdNmuvyZwiRIdjmvpX4do3hc.BaM5erKEa3I9uCVTs7m8GLKLi9 OFYbGmBvyzfRgkxTqGGNkpHmPAdamlR9fEG5HTMyUx3yuTyQEbRveFZ7a1Pt v1pLfnBTXkrqNcUXWGjyvxhXSVIkDl0as9NV.28MAMmUW3Zc1LfR1cFPw5hI yZSfwZ5L2mRKB6xZuZygssdcAajSp4GQAxEyv1Ccmp_VWGyto.lDSayYOvNE OnppypOEakT4xJjXZxdMupkLORkDsHjV9S_c5WLlH.wOv3BCpSUsd9m0_YHV DAq2y_UiGQeAry9kDgeXHEIj3eh6ah1xEc.nhosrNSGxlIpu23KdyJVcRLte QW.ptJflKCcG7Y_YQppNh0KcYzcFqXOARYsHv0Enjl.UOKq78khjiWv77VRC B3c92w3S4kIBfpfLAifhuPFUMLjZau1XnL4A- Received: from [172.12.229.113] by web124701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 07:55:45 PDT T25lIG1vcmUgdGltZSBhcyBhIHRlc3QgdG8gc2VlIGlmIEkndmUgZ290IG15IGZvcm1hdHRpbmcgc3RyYWlnaHRlbmVkIG91dC4KwqAKSSB3aG9sZWhlYXJ0ZWRseSBhZ3JlZSB3aXRoIGFsbCB0aGUgY29tbWVudHMgYWJvdXQgY29udmVydGluZyBmcm9tIGEgY2xvc2UgcmF0aW8gdHJhbnNtaXNzaW9uIHRvIGEgd2lkZSByYXRpbyBzZXR1cCB3aGlsZSBrZWVwaW5nIHRoZSAyLjg4IHJlYXJlbmQgZ2VhcnMgZm9yIHN0cmVldCBkcml2aW5nLiBNeSBmaXJzdCBUaWdlciBoYWQgYSBjbG9zZSByYXRpbyB0cmFuc20BMAEBAQE- References: <000a01ce9320$61dfda60$259f8f20$@cox.net> <5BCEDF6364584489864542D2107F6A3A@optiplex3301> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 07:55:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net One more time as a test to see if I've got my formatting straightened out. B I wholeheartedly agree with all the comments about converting from a close ratio transmission to a wide ratio setup while keeping the 2.88 rearend gears for street driving. My first Tiger had a close ratio transmission and 3.31 rearend gears, and although it was great out of the hole, it was terrible at 70 mph on the highway at 3500 rpms. Granted, a close ratio setup is great on a road course where you want your engine rpm in the sweet spot of the torque curve at all times, but stop and go street driving is a drag with such a tall first gear. B The factory 2.78 wide ratio first gear is 20% lower than the factory 2.32 close ratio first gear. I have mentioned to some here on the Tiger List that when I converted my present Tiger to a wide ratio, I installed a 2.90 first gear instead of the factory 2.78 first gear. This makes for a 25% lower first gear over the close ratio setup. My first gear is now so low that I am next going to install 2.72 rearend gears for a 6% overdrive (compared to the 2.88s). This will drop my 2.90 first gear to a comparable 2.74 ratio, nearly identical to the factory 2.78 wide ratio, still a 19% improvement over the close ratio configuration. This will also drop my highway engine speed another ~200 rpms lower than the factory 2.88s. B I spent ~$450 for new wide ratio tranny gears and sold my old close ratio gears for ~$200. The 2.72 rearend gears range from $20 to $90 and use a fine spline (26) pinion flange. I paid $50 for my rearend gears and $90 for the flange. Naturally if you farm out the labor, it will be more. But for less than $500 for parts, 1/10 the cost of aB 5 speed, I have a 2.74 first gear and a .94 overdrive, with no cutting up the car, no issues with the bellhousing, clutch, throwout bearing, linkage, speedo cable, gear shift opening or drive shaft, and an unbreakable toploader that can easily handle the torque of my 331 stroker motor. B For those who are interested in a wide ratio setup, here are the best prices I have found: http://www.allstategear.com/Toploader.htm 2nd - WT296-21A - $59.10 3rd - WT296-11A - $57.60 input - WT296-16BBB - $82.10 cluster - WT296-8A - $142.60 B http://toploadertransmissions.com/ 2.90 1st - $125 Note: David Kee no longer sells the 2.90 first gear, but Dan Williams does. I found the Dana 44 2.72 gears on Craigslist and eBay and the flange you can get from IWE Rearends in Canada (you can use my name). IWE Rear Ends Only FREEB 888-433-4717B For those of us who donbt race open track and donbt feel like dropping bcubic dollarsb for a 5 speed, yet who like everyday street driving, to me this bpoor manbs overdriveb with the low first gear is the best all around setup. Gary Crandall ext 1, Danelle www.iwerearendsonly.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 8 10:34:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 703BF43017 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 10:34:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A5642F8A for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 10:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r78GXJCW021329; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 09:33:59 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0213.51f02a18.1b9b57; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 09:33:30 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.147.172]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 16:33:31 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:32:58 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6URY2fJcP3rYd3TX6bXjoOmgK/XgADIr8g engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-08_06:2013-08-08,2013-08-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308080133 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Misc Questions - 1966 MK 1A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel I believe the hinge is plastic; part of the door - SS has a rebuild kit and I believe there is a gasket to seal the door. There is a drain tube that goes to the firewall and a duckbill drain grommet. They end at the firewall. Defrost vents are just black. License plate illumination bracket - mine is body color Windshield frame - body color Hood catch - natural - I believe mine has a zinc coating Most original windshield washer bottles have discolored - nothing wrong with that - if you want a new one SS has them As long as your bottle fits into the bottle holder and does not leak its good. Bottle holder is painted a light blue. Washer pump has 2 ports Color wire diagram - I believe CAT had one but you need to be a member to order TigersUnited.com has wire diagrams - not sure if they are in color. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 10:11 AM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Misc Questions - 1966 MK 1A Good Morning All B The MK 1A is progressing, paint and body work complete, engine, mechanical, brakes are tested and complete b I hope, and with new wiring harness.B We are on to the under dash components and I have a few questions. B 1. The 2 intake vents from in front of the windshield pull air into a plastic box under the dash. 1. One door works fine, the other fell out.B How are the doors attached\secured to the plastic box?B Is there a gasket also that goes around the doors? 2. There is a drain hole at the bottom of each box b where do these route to? Do they also use one of the duck bills at the fire wall end or where? 3. A picture of the under dash, windshield wiper motor, gears and blower motor would be VERY helpful. B 1. The defroster vents on the inside\top of dash b are these suppose to be gloss black or painted a black wrinkle finish? B 1. The rear license plate has what I call an illumination bracket for 2 lights to shine up onto the tag b is this suppose to be body color or something else? B 1. Windshield frame b is this suppose to be body color or something else? B 1. Hood catch and cable release - is this supposed to be body color or something else? B 1. I have seen multiple windshield washer bottles b the one I have, not in great shape, color wise is a round circle with bRootesb in the middle with no colors b is this correct for the 1966 MK1A? B 1. I have 3 windshield washer pumps b 1 with 3 plastic tips for the lines, 1 broken tip, 1 with 2 plastic tips b I would surmise that one is inlet, 1 outlet b then to a bTb.B I even have a brand new pump, Rootes part # 5220827 which has 2 plastic tips, which I guess would need a T as well b If a bTb is required b metal or plastic and the size of the lines would be? B 1. B I know I found a website that had color 11 X 17 wiring diagrams for my 1973 MGB; is there such a wiring diagrams for the MK 1A Tigers? B I know I asked a lot of questions here but after start up and driving the Tiger with a MG midget seat, not bolted in, I am a little excited to keep moving forward. B As always, thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise. B Regards, Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6559 - Release Date: 08/08/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 8 12:21:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0106442FEA for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:21:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.98]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FFD42FDF for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.162] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 18:20:57 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.127] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 18:20:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 18:20:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 73504 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2013 18:20:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375986057; bh=wYzHZme8ITHmNUZ+JPIoqbSNAUaAIr/YrOaJIaF7Qfg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gCjwu2JP9oePbJH2jh0WKOUcFF8KJxb4QTluhbTvvtIRdDlnB6N8Uvp65bl1+xyEpTwHNr/PUsINoiF5RMvDw63J//HwVOKkK9lxDZmWfkvrJsM+SZXqkY4REbolmNEI+/ifEuej9541SIpXrt4D3PtDU+nTIfM1It7m3q+OEFE= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HCfy1DV2tGkdyxGhTIZ8AM5a0PAiT5ejvlzmWFhmWmB9oQtAhwTwJvkaeSVQiNKwSQSOcZHAKEt5WzH9NGMNAk21Ihhvp/ou7aCqzN3fUpgJsGgSmqPA/KPkNE0pHD30B4S7vwwUSCpWyE8R+zzGjN5HnYWN03S1Je0oKuOtnDo=; RJVSD7oQMEAuQMZuTWyDai9xXxobt.F5pWJWyciv89HzQzy0dCB81blVQjf. 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Basically a tick lower first gear then the close ratio but not as much as the wide. Stock Close Ratio in the Tiger 2.32 1.69 1.29 1.0 Stock Wide Ratio in the Tiger 2.78 1.93 1.36 1.0 My David Kee Ratios 2.44 1.69 1.29 1.0 If you like to drive and do 'stuff' the close ratio is much more enjoyably from a performance perspective IMO. My car has the close ratio now with stockish 260 and 13" tires, it's not that bad to get off the line, just takes a bit a care, but never really intended the Tiger as a hole shot car due to tiny tires ;) Like Mark said, think of all the parts in your system, 13" tires are tough to find, 15" are easy and look good on a tiger so lots of factors if you plan on doing anything in the future. Spend time with the calculators and try a bunch of things like rear end ratios, gearbox's and tire size. 5 speed solves lots of problems for the street driving, and might be a good thing for that, for track don't think it has as much value and I like the way the top loaders shift vs. T5 style gear boxes. Sandy _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 8 12:30:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3E44307F for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:30:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E1940322 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:27:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004960.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r78IMcPf024903; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 11:27:06 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189561) id dm0219.51f02a09.1ac3ed; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 11:27:02 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 14:26:57 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6URY2fJcP3rYd3TX6bXjoOmgK/XgAHW0yA engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-08_06:2013-08-08,2013-08-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308080160 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Misc Questions - 1966 MK 1A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel There is a very nice color wire diagram for Alpine SV on this web site. Much of it is close to Tiger wiring. http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9919 The wire diagram @ TigersUnited is in color http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN36.asp Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 10:11 AM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Misc Questions - 1966 MK 1A Good Morning All B The MK 1A is progressing, paint and body work complete, engine, mechanical, brakes are tested and complete b I hope, and with new wiring harness.B We are on to the under dash components and I have a few questions. B 1. The 2 intake vents from in front of the windshield pull air into a plastic box under the dash. 1. One door works fine, the other fell out.B How are the doors attached\secured to the plastic box?B Is there a gasket also that goes around the doors? 2. There is a drain hole at the bottom of each box b where do these route to? Do they also use one of the duck bills at the fire wall end or where? 3. A picture of the under dash, windshield wiper motor, gears and blower motor would be VERY helpful. B 1. The defroster vents on the inside\top of dash b are these suppose to be gloss black or painted a black wrinkle finish? B 1. The rear license plate has what I call an illumination bracket for 2 lights to shine up onto the tag b is this suppose to be body color or something else? B 1. Windshield frame b is this suppose to be body color or something else? B 1. Hood catch and cable release - is this supposed to be body color or something else? B 1. I have seen multiple windshield washer bottles b the one I have, not in great shape, color wise is a round circle with bRootesb in the middle with no colors b is this correct for the 1966 MK1A? B 1. I have 3 windshield washer pumps b 1 with 3 plastic tips for the lines, 1 broken tip, 1 with 2 plastic tips b I would surmise that one is inlet, 1 outlet b then to a bTb.B I even have a brand new pump, Rootes part # 5220827 which has 2 plastic tips, which I guess would need a T as well b If a bTb is required b metal or plastic and the size of the lines would be? B 1. B I know I found a website that had color 11 X 17 wiring diagrams for my 1973 MGB; is there such a wiring diagrams for the MK 1A Tigers? B I know I asked a lot of questions here but after start up and driving the Tiger with a MG midget seat, not bolted in, I am a little excited to keep moving forward. B As always, thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise. B Regards, Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6559 - Release Date: 08/08/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 8 14:07:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26934312F for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 14:07:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98678430EE for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 14:07:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 20:07:18 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.162] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 20:07:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1063.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 20:07:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 34928 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2013 20:07:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375992438; bh=pL7z/DDXhvFuYsZm/3Vlco8534+VPMzByHg2XK+5Btw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=E3ohdx+6O5QbbxmhyowoYOAW04ZSdXo8bxN8CWRl56OnXHeL2VPenWV0zbMjaPK4H5oe1EYny52Z+A6f2Jc0sWX263+kEWkXA3kt5c7rw+kNCladjP46YgTWY6Xi2AhqwILpKIv0feum0TzR3TspNm9/LKqG4UwRpQ+3RvAUaNY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=p03awm4BgXaKCawNrqrq8U38A4yogEJbZMmPNRzZHb4Qx7Sq/gsUOtlcdEbxq4AtRLDCFq0qio87hdfWM1QnvepiAEGxJq22kzhqVV+oJYIELtPVUWOjs9tsRlDrXHM5mYMQALh14QoaIhUyadqlisjH2FNPqEKaQxhNZin9uOA=; EpKiDRDuIBg8RrRHKm1w4OXhrAfP_PI9jQOPX.NoYaZ5WFa9bDlQ8Q9g6iTr 5Xnbqbec_6NQjI7Tjffzgt7TJAGbiHvmxsRaLuufYR1F4H8HSK8rqLMyx6eo IRc6IYEQDv9Xr65lxr8r.CtB7IZZzjXFY0Q6AStnu0MGcE.kVR3_qpBUNolm wcEuSifriZkc4rDBAFFVcSXr8fNeT3CQK2nLHC7zmROB4RSP2W5hV282m.Xe XMr3_TBWcWbwskbvJFuZECBxWP9jhIXBPq0x5KuxbyykWdBmLYjzck04TqUU 5HueyafrquMgkTYegFdS3gYwhZT7qfbTRkK9l_.uUfhn_m.CZrMteV9P05AB XqLgPfc8h5.TEf9a7pWfFtKQ2EUp_CuZybHRzm4LeMPeLZriefTkDkaNBPCO D_BnlpdX0yT1DGA5stDn6ruYJhxSgyDjE3zrwxX8f8EYFEqw9Fv2GRnZ2iXN .bFOeYeSoPlEdfTot0zqTq9X52he_V9LfzNZ6RCaRtFqTHPesXJwso4jbG6x kHC319.zWpV6eGH_jZuWsTkBkMbCU2LeX_ZNqyyaRLBZqDkj9dED8xFRm.dx CHfl8ZI8ofc5kSD2EEjHDLVzDfCLYjqvPfAcyB90qfmI- Received: from [199.46.200.230] by web124701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 13:07:18 PDT U2FuZHksCsKgCkkgc3Bva2UgdG8gRGF2aWQgYWJvdXQgdGhhdCBzZXR1cC4gSXQncyB0aGUgMi45MCBmaXJzdCBnZWFyIGluc3RhbGxlZMKgaW4gdGhlIGNsb3NlIHJhdGlvIGdlYXIgc2V0LsKgVGhlIDIuNDQgbG93ZXIgZmlyc3TCoGdlYXIgaGVscHMgb2ZmIHRoZSBsaW5lLCBidXQgbm90IGFzIG11Y2ggYXMgdGhlIDIuNzggb3IgdGhlIDIuOTAgLzIuNzIgY29tYmluYXRpb24gKDIuNzQpLiBJcm9uaWNhbGx5IHRoZSA1IHNwZWVkIGhhcyBhbiBldmVuIHdpZGVyIGdlYXLCoHNwcmVhZCB0aGFuIHRoZSB3aWQBMAEBAQE- References: <000a01ce9320$61dfda60$259f8f20$@cox.net> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147CFF3AA@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> <1375986057.71292.YahooMailNeo@web184405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 13:07:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary To: Sandy Ganz , 'Tiger's Den' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sandy, I spoke to David about that setup. It's the 2.90 first gear installed in the close ratio gear set. The 2.44 lower first gear helps off the line, but not as much as the 2.78 or the 2.90 /2.72 combination (2.74). Ironically the 5 speed has an even wider gear spread than the wide ratio, so rpm drop between gears is even more difficult for a stockish engine. It's all a compromise. Gary ________________________________ From: Sandy Ganz To: 'Tiger's Den' Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms I have a new David Kee Top Loader with a different set of gears. Basically a tick lower first gear then the close ratio but not as much as the wide. Stock Close Ratio in the Tiger 2.32 1.69 1.29 1.0 Stock Wide Ratio in the Tiger 2.78 1.93 1.36 1.0 My David Kee Ratios 2.44 1.69 1.29 1.0 If you like to drive and do 'stuff' the close ratio is much more enjoyably from a performance perspective IMO. My car has the close ratio now with stockish 260 and 13" tires, it's not that bad to get off the line, just takes a bit a care, but never really intended the Tiger as a hole shot car due to tiny tires ;) Like Mark said, think of all the parts in your system, 13" tires are tough to find, 15" are easy and look good on a tiger so lots of factors if you plan on doing anything in the future. Spend time with the calculators and try a bunch of things like rear end ratios, gearbox's and tire size. 5 speed solves lots of problems for the street driving, and might be a good thing for that, for track don't think it has as much value and I like the way the top loaders shift vs. T5 style gear boxes. Sandy _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/maliburevue@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 8 21:21:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4C2434B9 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 21:21:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.248]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4666443093 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 21:20:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.164] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2013 03:20:59 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.142] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2013 03:20:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2013 03:20:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 18947 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2013 03:20:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376018458; bh=a9PFeRIGMEqPBpah3TuOeDNin9oLcBUxUgdivGOEbEA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ExhoArdrH5x6690GeyDhYsrb5ZjDlRhuokOr7JmrJAovzQtSJhCKP7lnvnwoPZ465RlLSyKBTc9YiDg24JwzBjWQ7zrqPt2ERNaKJQQgvtsAR30uRYczOcccBRfYL9OY6KGo7Kcv/tDR41uzw2ol8zuwVnWE+OpeHEDe8Y25Gx4= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o/VIWELD+NSmxf1atyZMmlJwtwbXba/+XoxBZQkMsk2qV0eD+zO17m1e5HF/Wep/M3cqkN3SAwv4VUp7hqGL0ZcScvhl4rtAL82sG7RIgG7NR3xylGVTKA4ZJm38+/skg4as1Nl7viuvcTX/rWVRuqpjOdBzKHApk2NKXmzo05k=; VtdF8yvueESsS5_H7YbcT1H.TxGCXSmpuegxrFD.ZJXjHX8OLWfEaM1lSMvM ZayKQ.GLmwAbk_6DAWdX_aKfy7mBksmPCErn83xwQI_e2XOxpj.xEt4si4NL f46_TJ9Tr8fXh9lfCwAlEIE.MjtdvSbJZiHWNon.Ze5NvuqkSI7h0UMbvLSJ nOceRh8uqi0qBN6SaUtuGnYuL9rMSwwxbfwaU85af8tUOSilG2pmqGGkf7jO .msf1McuywtXqUp_Q978HTKDKOXKNGJ6YSMtoJpcev0okeZLvT5mkRg0_msw CLOF8yZmp1BW6EvMKyeVxOa9Zxjh7itTe_Smc2tHEAorBM023iYEq1I5S1FP A7TrU.LWaAuikrq8YkdsB_LT9UwImxktx9D.gkVb1o1RYVHb3AipVOLIdZeA XEbGCx7SxcZ2dDGKk3iX1na_9xBXTKrc0VNVStka_NE8WhQvlyGprJK5FtHI IeNDanvQajpncTZBk1tft.X6SOdF2UKAPYK59DdIg6U66b7oCcwo78mU6d0E sVjgHCJZv3NJs0XIAkNUtBuSoIGnnljAgz1Gdml2xI7BOnhgR1KZXlGzX0Mg hIh3Metf3.Vqm9YSQ61U7NpDpIb9fkNHIRUFVqZgak6ZDqZHpzg-- Received: from [108.254.75.109] by web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 20:20:58 PDT WWVhaCwgaXQncyBub3QgbGlrZSB0aGUgbG93ZXIgZ2VhciBvZiB0aGUgd2lkZSByYXRpbyBib3hlcyBidXQgZm9yIHRoZSBtb3N0IHBhcnQgSSB0aGluayB0aW1lIGlzIHNwZW5kIG1vcmUgc2hpZnRpbmcgdGhyb3VnaCB0aGUgZ2VhcnMgdGhlbiBzdGFydGluZyBvdXQuIEl0J3Mgbm90IGFsbCB0aGF0IGJhZCBldmVuIHdpdGggdGhlIGNsb3NlIHJhdGlvIGdlYXJib3ggdGhhdCdzIGluIHRoZSBjYXIgYW5kIHN0b2NrIDI2MCwgc28gbXkgZ29hbCB3YXMgdG8gaGF2ZSBqdXN0IGEgbGl0dGxlIGJldHRlciBvdXQBMAEBAQE- References: <000a01ce9320$61dfda60$259f8f20$@cox.net> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147CFF3AA@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> <1375986057.71292.YahooMailNeo@web184405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1375992438.20004.YahooMailNeo@web124701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 20:20:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Sandy Ganz To: Gary , 'Tiger's Den' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, it's not like the lower gear of the wide ratio boxes but for the most part I think time is spend more shifting through the gears then starting out. It's not all that bad even with the close ratio gearbox that's in the car and stock 260, so my goal was to have just a little better out of the hole but not the main focus. I'll likely be running something like 15" rims with 225-50's and something in the 3.54:1 if I use the D44 that I have in the car (have the gears and diff to swap out). My intended use is not freeway or cruising so having it buzz is not a concern. I also have a new 347 motor that winds up to about 7200 so for track use all seems to be ok which is more the focus with light street work to the Friday night malt shop. Might step back to a 3.23 but not sure since I have the 3.54 gear set. I had a Tremec TKO in another car and hated the way it shifted and the gear ratios, I ditched that for a Tex Racing T101 with close ratio and fell in love with the way the car drives again. I have a spare T101 that I was going to cram into the tiger but the gearbox is much larger and would be a sheet metal problem. David Kee was very helpful when I called years ago and I think I have a good set up with the 2:44 first, but when I look at the numbers with a high numeric rear ratio even the stock close ratio would be ok. Sandy ________________________________ From: Gary To: Sandy Ganz ; 'Tiger's Den' Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms Sandy, I spoke to David about that setup. It's the 2.90 first gear installed in the close ratio gear set. The 2.44 lower first gear helps off the line, but not as much as the 2.78 or the 2.90 /2.72 combination (2.74). Ironically the 5 speed has an even wider gear spread than the wide ratio, so rpm drop between gears is even more difficult for a stockish engine. It's all a compromise. Gary ________________________________ From: Sandy Ganz To: 'Tiger's Den' Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gears and rpms I have a new David Kee Top Loader with a different set of gears. Basically a tick lower first gear then the close ratio but not as much as the wide. Stock Close Ratio in the Tiger 2.32 1.69 1.29 1.0 Stock Wide Ratio in the Tiger 2.78 1.93 1.36 1.0 My David Kee Ratios 2.44 1.69 1.29 1.0 If you like to drive and do 'stuff' the close ratio is much more enjoyably from a performance perspective IMO. My car has the close ratio now with stockish 260 and 13" tires, it's not that bad to get off the line, just takes a bit a care, but never really intended the Tiger as a hole shot car due to tiny tires ;) Like Mark said, think of all the parts in your system, 13" tires are tough to find, 15" are easy and look good on a tiger so lots of factors if you plan on doing anything in the future. Spend time with the calculators and try a bunch of things like rear end ratios, gearbox's and tire size. 5 speed solves lots of problems for the street driving, and might be a good thing for that, for track don't think it has as much value and I like the way the top loaders shift vs. T5 style gear boxes. Sandy _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/maliburevue@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 11 07:38:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52B044550 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 07:38:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343AC44493 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 07:30:25 -0600 (MDT) a=weSGdrvgpIe1x3qYC9jD7Q==:17 a=O1OiybZrnQgA:10 a=mVLEjYKwqMcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=FvOfjVUjyVMA:10 a=s2ESWgJ4AAAA:8 a=5-GXfTZxnTxFqBHI3i4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=weSGdrvgpIe1x3qYC9jD7Q==:117 Received: from [71.76.33.117] ([71.76.33.117:50478] helo=EricGPC) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 29/59-09254-0F197025; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 13:30:25 +0000 From: "Eric Gibeaut" To: References: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:30:24 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6SOup6V6DYYMgoR0e1ci+Wf8TxOQEWwkwQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Celebrating the Alpine's 60th birthday at the TE/AE United Oct 10-13 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This year's United celebrates 60 years of the Alpine with many special events planned for Alpine owners! The location is St. Michaels, Maryland-which is on the Eastern Shore. The early registration cutoff date is August 15th and the block of reserved hotel rooms expires then too. Here is some more updated information-I hope that you can join us with your Alpine, Tiger, Harrington, Hillman or any other Rootes car. http://www.rootesamerica.org/ Celebrating 60 Years of the Alpine! Plans are shaping up well for United XXXII which will take place in beautiful St. Michaels on Maryland's Eastern Shore October 10-13. St. Michaels is a beautiful seaside town on the Chesapeake Bay with a nice selection of shops, museums and restaurants. We've added some nice features to this year's event including several special guests who will be spending the weekend with us. Registration has been very strong and we're expecting a big turnout. Don't forget, the early registration discount ends on August 15th as does our lock on the hotel block of rooms. Register online at: http://www.rootesamerica.org/ Our goal is to encourage as many Alpines as possible to attend and we've created a special "Sprit of the Alpine" award. Alpines will be displayed prominently at the Concours. Hagerty Insurance is sponsoring this award. The Historic Vehicle association / FIVA will be presenting a Preservation Award given to the best preserved Rootes Group Vehicle so bring out those unrestored, but well loved cars! SPECIAL GUESTS: Tim Suddard editor of Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports will be our guest speaker at Sunday's banquet. (Tim restored a Tiger chronicled in a series of articles and will actually be spending the entire weekend with us. The club and United will be featured in an article for the magazine). John Roseby is travelling from Great Britain to participate. John is well known in Alpine circles for his restorations and knowledge of Alpine transmissions, especially overdrive units. John will present a tech session for all interested. Martha Wheat/Christiansen who many may know for her excellent upholstery kits will also be here. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 11 13:57:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4F44477A for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 13:57:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5014144743 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 13:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BX4Y1m0060ldTLk5BXu7dL; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 19:54:07 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BXu71m00f0fu9Ni01Xu7U4; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 19:54:07 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "Tiger Net" Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:54:00 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1376250847; bh=1YlyIcA3/W2C4AnAI3pP1/FEjViAC+bAE1N2AaZwOLc=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=KJRY9U7cvW+bRxfaOQ8z8jL1ejZPEHRp2rp7QNWII12bDjOsKqyHWsqhk4pNfb171 QQqzwHF3kum1P5K1IfPkjaNZtIZ5IwwhUGRpNle2UvuG7mtHSabJprKXNT2U2fzyzC A/MV7BpUi5OkV2pjqyh17HgiF3yMqwboUnIec60qRbBSeUmFWr9nsYBQNHcY4MF4l9 KHk+ssTRm+DRf5ksM+TBj8MwlmmNaXFx7jXUFgJnhzPS4lNMl18oy6L3O9xd+ZYXZI 47D4+jksMyE2awZZ6/dLYqXnfkxaOU3U55aU9vVuz1OO/WqrjbiqWORtDrXzu1kVoO LgyMyi6Wcd1QA== Subject: [Tigers] Brake Pads - Non Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I need opinions: Are ceramic brake pads worth the higher price for daily driver street use? Is there any effect on brake effort, or disk wear? The application is my wife's Jeep Liberty. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 11 15:03:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7811743D23 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:03:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE93740422 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:57:31 -0600 (MDT) a=JAY1dAhf1mjzVITC+/sjcQ==:17 a=fERs1dMV8CEA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=tsZ9plund6IA:10 a=i8kDbt6GlnXmLEoQsxoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=fkojwtMxVDMA:10 a=5hGTMkWahZMA:10 a=JAY1dAhf1mjzVITC+/sjcQ==:117 Received: from [75.190.185.180] ([75.190.185.180:2930] helo=D32K5JC1) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 19/38-09254-ABAF7025; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 20:57:30 +0000 From: "Sigma Engineering" To: "Tiger Net" References: <3EDC3FD6F38444759FED057D523005A3@sbrennanPC> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 16:57:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] LED Brake Lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi group, What is the easiest/best/cheapest way to change over to LED brake lights? Thanks in Advance, Chris _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 11 15:47:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220E14485F for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:47:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm13-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D54E4467A for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:47:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.156] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2013 21:47:24 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.129] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2013 21:47:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2013 21:47:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 53648 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2013 21:47:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376257643; bh=kHXWTahvCbtIR4jXbW1Sh+M/lzU3tU9m81k71YQUxN8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eiu+TaaMk/4woLTKzDVydNxlDKj6ZlvdlgHNFa9W2wGjmwS0g/OMfrCeSZGjWS8PpsHM7YT5HAdgu4znBK+ArM0d+gKQg3C7ARBatvtekiUqkd7+3xi2QjkSbJ4kBLgppQyMovvn9rDNx8Gepui0uZZ0UHZDi2NINPnIw1Ia2Nw= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xXzAmVCoUfFjKTDRhtw99wL07QUEPvR20SLDE3PB29IPP4rpdgPeVhRUlUWV4gZvdJ04ewMSybuLiT0AIJHCxiyyRinfrC0YWs6G4IIhOm27P6eY/s7v9w3QJvf/13oWP8rU1YJq3JxYk5hVvapJORBwSu90EDisdLwoYINuuXw=; IJCVXqoeSqp989VyJplGas5WQsWCW1sUMOac05vhs6mmrgipn5Kw3bB_59xg 2ktSs1jC2lHlK7Q0ETXFm4C3rez4vNcnuo_hvii8ucS4MuFM4xiSQcwySugo wsS8TW_Gsuk99fBM_mOb7nxPKFJGMpsMh_G6scsHjd7NVqm9Ux39EI6bk1lv kowPx68QwUyIIOyr2UE6iiawQ34Ez1A5ZjxcwU870hPaCQOyeldoq22mgsDD CazcFMEVLphTjkgPjjFTTOao8PNS9nr.Z0oalCmi1VxZePInUebpGBcM4NuM QYlgBwxHyduicPmf_5GCv4O_zzug_n9lggUdOTnyEobluhOkPC5sk9iKKPxD 0AQkUmlhXyCzhzsdzcGvUVLBEWUg3uRczhMsu.SUutZJH82gMFDGePCKcUEh Lz14j8v.cTuX8DCscn0RqEjyKstRd9RQiT7kESdTKlUuPbTBJUyA01FA_T6Q sGwqhFjlWpmSBMvzwCD6e518uPwGsKT3AFfAjFMvXbjXOrpYhsWQMd2f7Wap IHu6UjSX66HE24vhkucPGwtdoyq0Ni17e1qtYsgfuieyzmNDdAoHe6584L6L SHz45tsEyzY18tyNhiwnO5sydKpAcnwD7WNQhhkD1PnNxqIh1rcg2dYy2BFj 6pFuDysdsQ1YqqJl_z0LlN30bl7PBBVd01fdmPgeicARb6fAc_4iOzCo- Received: from [108.254.75.109] by web184401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:47:23 PDT Tm90IHN1cmUgaWYgYW55dGhpbmcgYmV0dGVyIHRoZSBzdG9jaywgYnV0IEkgaGF2ZSBydW4gdGhlbSBvbsKgbXkgd2lmZXPCoFNVViBhbmQgdGhleSBzZWVtIHRvIG5vdCBtYWtlIGFzIG11Y2ggZGlydCBvbiB0aGUgcmltcy4gT3RoZXIgdGhlbiB0aGF0LCBoYXJkIHRvIHNheSBmcm9tIG15IGxpbWl0ZWQgdXNlIGlmIHRoZXkgbGFzdCBsb25nZXIgb3Igc3RvcCBiZXR0ZXIuIEkgZG8ga25vdyB0aGF0IHRoZSBjYXJib24gdmVyc2lvbiB0aGF0IGFyZSBhcm91bmQgZm9yIHBhc3NlbmdlciBjYXJzIChJIGZvcmcBMAEBAQE- References: <3EDC3FD6F38444759FED057D523005A3@sbrennanPC> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:47:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Sandy Ganz To: Stu Brennan , Tiger Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Pads - Non Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Not sure if anything better the stock, but I have run them on my wifes SUV and they seem to not make as much dirt on the rims. Other then that, hard to say from my limited use if they last longer or stop better. I do know that the carbon version that are around for passenger cars (I forget the brand) did make a noticeable difference on my Diesel excursion when I switch from regular stock pads. I have a set of the autozone lifetime ceramic pads sitting on the shelf for the excursion when the carbon pads wear out, if you want to wait a few months I'll let you know ;) On thing I can say for sure is that autozone rotors are not very good, gone through a few sets on different cars and they seem to be 'soft' metal vs. stock or quality parts, so much so that I always figure to toss the rotors when I change the pads. They are inexpensive and almost a wash to have them turned. Sandy To: Tiger Net Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 12:54 PM Subject: [Tigers] Brake Pads - Non Tiger I need opinions: Are ceramic brake pads worth the higher price for daily driver street use? Is there any effect on brake effort, or disk wear? The application is my wife's Jeep Liberty. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 11 15:54:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7788E44893 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:54:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A544486D for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:52:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.160] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2013 21:52:30 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.151] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2013 21:52:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2013 21:52:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 56676 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2013 21:52:30 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376257950; bh=AGuFq9Gl4EBr4LHi664mjGdl0BqHh/M9fohqZikJW+w=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ousznl15uyjlYevzthSqIBKaE4dFki2Q2E0an8UXS3ur8wzkOhov1eZzj2kYIKc/WMVjiaYj2xeIT0Rg/kJ6gAtiEyU85VIIYGC7hsImpHSKhX5sT/koOOgQtr6+vsk6h736NLZeMZwgI51ryuPfukygnpS7QZrBSajv4eJnI1w= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=txXNK3GINA2z1wdONmEf6+4Ixb1ORqSYALoxhlM9AZF0qCtcJ7r7XskVd/Gp8YCGKbBqNF7dBHX57DBcRkDxaO4zcWWcq5jz6IvNfPrIbuHlGE3uRR3QdMDEwXh2AjVOqFilXRWqfKuLAMIX64fP7+gc1nik0Y5yYLyfcBtJIHw=; hx1OcRWyMupTKgbRUbJrG Received: from [108.254.75.109] by web184401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:52:30 PDT U3dhcCB0aGUgYnVsYnMsIHNlZSBpZiBpdCB3b3Jrcy4gCsKgCklmIHRoZSB0dXJuIHNpZ25hbHMgZG9uJ3QgYmxpbmsgb3IgYmxpbmsgdG9vIGZhc3QgeW91IG1heSBuZWVkIGEgcmVzaXN0b3IgYWNyb3NzIHRoZSBidWxiIGZvciB0aGUgdHVybiBzaWduYWwgY2lyY3VpdCwgCsKgCkkgdGhpbmsgdGhleSBzZWxsIGFuIGFkYXB0ZXLCoGZvciB0aGF0LiBJdCdzIG5lZWRlZCBmb3IgbWVjaGFuaWNhbC9oZWF0IHR5cGUgb2YgZmxhc2hlcnMgdGhhdCByZWx5IG9uIHRoZSBoaWdoZXIgY3VycmVudCB1c2VkIGJ5IGEBMAEBAQE- References: <3EDC3FD6F38444759FED057D523005A3@sbrennanPC> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:52:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Sandy Ganz To: Sigma Engineering , Tiger Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] LED Brake Lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Swap the bulbs, see if it works. If the turn signals don't blink or blink too fast you may need a resistor across the bulb for the turn signal circuit, I think they sell an adapter for that. It's needed for mechanical/heat type of flashers that rely on the higher current used by a 'filament' bulb. The LED bulbs don't draw much power and will not cause the flasher to heat up to open and close the contact. The last thing you can do is use a 3 terminal flasher that is not load sensitive. It's basically a 2 prong flasher with a flying lead that you ground and works with any type of load. Check Waytek Wire for them, I think that's where I got the last one. A few ways to skin the cat. Check the LED bulbs some may have the resistor built in. Sandy ________________________________ From: Sigma Engineering To: Tiger Net Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:57 PM Subject: [Tigers] LED Brake Lights Hi group, What is the easiest/best/cheapest way to change over to LED brake lights? Thanks in Advance, Chris _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 11 16:34:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFFD447BF for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 16:34:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB3E44713 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 16:33:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.171] by nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2013 22:33:17 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.242] by tm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2013 22:33:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1051.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2013 22:33:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 8902 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2013 22:33:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376260397; bh=d248IHWbNLxnHUYXmPFX7ue+l2yhpfUTiSgiYSOzOQc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fku6a5HaN5ItFa47cd0jDRFRSL5XBUQHsNg30XwistPmz1Sz7kURe2U+h/qfK5t66eQSFJN6k5BpeliDlFWuHbM0kZYdIksKPf7W7JQKnp+tJzDXPkP3Mcavrl1ThN4JhMwcejc3O/rhdr8boYdtOgKf+mV2pD5ym1DAbtd6Eso= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uCo0BczIVpn70jCkYOgjYYTlu5ZUQzHHpMq7OIT4RLIEvNGShpqlsa7kNnjMGMo8mRKEAQlsLIM0uP+O0SEhgyyXEABBapI13jGTr2wOwoYRZHDB3pdowmxttgChWo13s3LEU6OGhZXVucShl2J9ScYzIrpuYFKvJesvnMH1hXQ=; vQD4nhG5TjOykzF4oVnaCVpO0saG6kievql52tEXz23FwgYrIsLkU0WjRRbW vdY38jnxN3Y9jbCoKimZrLV96HjzMvfuf4om06S8nppG9EGTzQdZfU1KjPG0 tIh2N9UrWyLlAZp_jqKqQrtEkQRnoizQ0wvKWEkHYb1XZPl57tgbi_t17bh7 TduZM3SWApWMDWHX5hrLdq6h89OBSs7crxPlmNXFY7ESkokelaEdgQz2zM0S yhTco9uxOipxPIT6aIwMYmCsfYA_1vmSR7139vbl0Dh.jj6u7C1OkWYqAG8w SvJECjgokpBxt1q02Xbn.L8ZtEmMNyr6SFuZ7OU0quRbTiBOgoMPLgJg1w7Y 2ezPG1DVy3OL2k4jyi6jTB2cuwcCh8LBxY7Gwj8xZ3bF13aOXGSjgfs1Q8to jZClyYzOtKHV.dFa_ZUg90gEWbgFkFWkBGF9LdHbp9DKvs0Mkv1zUP5cWArv 711ydi__pJSGhrL6gzDZ54bFAQw_yyxMDUZ1C91zFHH03Fe1M7qqyJ.447.j K4NLd3TqrA7LIyPILXO.5vjLbPpnvV_lFqWeTlmz2Xwy_6MORrgIfCxjpFKa FHs9XAzNnjXYE Received: from [173.48.171.26] by web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:33:17 PDT RnJvbSB0aGUgJ3RoYXQgVGlnZXIgbW90b3IgaXMgaW4gZ29vZCBjb21wYW55JyBkZXBhcnRtZW50LCBjb21lIHRoaXMgYXVjdGlvbiBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbi4uLgoKIuKAoiBUaGUgMTk2MyBGZXJyYXJpIDI1MEdUIENhbGlmb3JuaWEgU3B5ZGVyIHJlcGxpY2EgdXNlZCBpbiB0aGUgMTk4NiBmaWxtIOKAnEZlcnJpcyBCdWVsbGVy4oCZcyBEYXkgT2Zm4oCdIHdpbGwgYmXCoGdvaW5nIHVwIGZvciBhdWN0aW9uwqB0aGlzIHN1bW1lci4gTmlja25hbWVkIHRoZSBNb2RlbmEgU3B5ZGVyIENhbGlmb3JuaWEsIGl0IHcBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:33:17 -0700 (PDT) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Slightly off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >From the 'that Tiger motor is in good company' department, come this auction information... "b" The 1963 Ferrari 250GT California Spyder replica used in the 1986 film bFerris Buellerbs Day Offb will beB going up for auctionB this summer. Nicknamed the Modena Spyder California, it was one of three built by Modena Design and Development in El Cajon, Calif., and features tube frame construction and a 500-horsepower small-block V-8 engine. Although the car originally had a 1963 Ford 260-cubic-inch V-8, that engine has been replaced with a 351 punched out to 427 cubic inches. Presale price estimates are not yet available." _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 11 17:12:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE8E447E3 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:12:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31196446E1 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:12:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1E08C70000085; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 19:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dka004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dka004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.181.92]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D6B64E000082; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 19:12:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Landcmitch@aol.com Full-name: Landcmitch Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 19:12:18 -0400 (EDT) To: snakebit289@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376262739; bh=y0eudU1ZLS3EF5fk/XpF1f8FGQIbzX5ntM0wDNF5l78=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BXuSrESUXpyEdqb6kRnpJXHZNOZuy/kpKW0ckaynmsnSh4lG3b/xCrb92z+uRoFx4 ZMup27Mbd1Z9JbHOMv+B4/gFxTMghEfLCpyjREKsybdtjnlIGGIwDl381yWviWqP9b 2JCmBY+t7Y/3Z55W/ze1A6tb3L591i0ZuqzyFGV4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a52081a520577 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Slightly off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, Mecum estimates $250 - $300 K In a message dated 8/11/2013 3:34:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, snakebit289@yahoo.com writes: >From the 'that Tiger motor is in good company' department, come this auction information... "b" The 1963 Ferrari 250GT California Spyder replica used in the 1986 film bFerris Buellerbs Day Offb will beB going up for auctionB this summer. Nicknamed the Modena Spyder California, it was one of three built by Modena Design and Development in El Cajon, Calif., and features tube frame construction and a 500-horsepower small-block V-8 engine. Although the car originally had a 1963 Ford 260-cubic-inch V-8, that engine has been replaced with a 351 punched out to 427 cubic inches. Presale price estimates are not yet available." _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/landcmitch@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 09:55:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB97427C9 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from out02.mta.xmission.com (out02.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A4942710 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:55:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx03.mta.xmission.com ([166.70.13.213]) by out02.mta.xmission.com with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1V8uSa-0007rb-Ci; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:55:08 -0600 Received: from mta2.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.66]) by mx03.mta.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1V8uSa-0003iK-2b; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:55:08 -0600 Received: from mta2.zcs.xmission.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta2.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EC6600491; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:55:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LynnPC (c-76-23-31-210.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [76.23.31.210]) by mta2.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B51B560042B; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:55:07 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lynn" To: "'Sandy Ganz'" , "'Sigma Engineering'" , "'Tiger Net'" References: <3EDC3FD6F38444759FED057D523005A3@sbrennanPC> <1376257950.56039.YahooMailNeo@web184401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:55:02 -0600 Thread-Index: AQIMy4hFPnrcWsRTahTQYbzAyIV/owE5QA0lAim2f8GY+jdbEA== Content-Language: en-us to false Subject: Re: [Tigers] LED Brake Lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Make sure you buy "omni" directional LED bulbs. They will appear brighter and will reflect off the housing. "uni" directional bulbs only shine outward so they are very dim to drivers behind you. Try the following link: http://www.lbcarco.com/cgi-bin/gen5?nextform=/orderinprogress.html&o=6931228 .23319165113&p= It might get you started. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 3:53 PM To: Sigma Engineering; Tiger Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] LED Brake Lights Swap the bulbs, see if it works. If the turn signals don't blink or blink too fast you may need a resistor across the bulb for the turn signal circuit, I think they sell an adapter for that. It's needed for mechanical/heat type of flashers that rely on the higher current used by a 'filament' bulb. The LED bulbs don't draw much power and will not cause the flasher to heat up to open and close the contact. The last thing you can do is use a 3 terminal flasher that is not load sensitive. It's basically a 2 prong flasher with a flying lead that you ground and works with any type of load. Check Waytek Wire for them, I think that's where I got the last one. A few ways to skin the cat. Check the LED bulbs some may have the resistor built in. Sandy ________________________________ From: Sigma Engineering To: Tiger Net Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:57 PM Subject: [Tigers] LED Brake Lights Hi group, What is the easiest/best/cheapest way to change over to LED brake lights? Thanks in Advance, Chris _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 10:13:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471E642789 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:13:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1lp0149.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E42840359 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:12:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BY2PR07MB074.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.255.240.154) by BY2PR07MB075.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.255.240.155) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.731.16; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:12:41 +0000 Received: from BY2PR07MB074.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.15.160]) by BY2PR07MB074.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.15.224]) with mapi id 15.00.0731.000; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:12:40 +0000 From: "Taylor, Matthew" To: Tigers List Thread-Topic: A great issue of Tiger Tracks Thread-Index: Ac6Xdh3BaHn64ZHjR3GjwgH5A9pZkQ== Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:12:39 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [159.153.4.52] x-forefront-prvs: 09368DB063 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(189002)(199002)(19580395003)(56776001)(81342001)(83322001)(19580385001)(74316001)(66066001)(76482001)(46102001)(65816001)(33646001)(51856001)(80022001)(74706001)(54356001)(79102001)(63696002)(47976001)(47736001)(49866001)(50986001)(4396001)(53806001)(77096001)(56816003)(59766001)(54316002)(77982001)(15202345003)(81542001)(31966008)(16406001)(76576001)(76796001)(76786001)(74876001)(69226001)(83072001)(76176001)(74366001)(80976001)(74662001)(81686001)(47446002)(74502001)(24736002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2PR07MB075; H:BY2PR07MB074.namprd07.prod.outlook.com; CLIP:159.153.4.52; RD:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; Subject: [Tigers] A great issue of Tiger Tracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A previous issue is on eBay for those that are not currently members of STOA. Great magazine/newsletter with lots of Tiger content and tech. 40 Pages! http://www.ebay.com/itm/161084698055?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m 1423.l2649 Or eBay item # 161084698055 There is also a link to STOA's new website. If you sign up for membership, you can view the first four issues online (merchandise coming soon). See the ebay listing for more info. Matthew _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 10:37:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522C74281C for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:35:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f42.google.com (mail-qa0-f42.google.com [209.85.216.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20EB42774 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:33:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id bv4so1132275qab.1 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:33:37 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:from:content-type:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=SaIAjpJd3lAXISVAQSDIzGj9eOj4Ln0v3yo6bw8oGgs=; b=V7/Zye+k3nNL7LuAu0IRyuFeeARl60ayv+dSE09v016xuVlFtH/yITrWjd47j3YVPZ 9TwZcjmBnNkfLEotwt7jP1JiP3cxLy4JyQKKrJg3skrBLnAvlMPpo7zC9z3qRqgGfoL4 NIT3B/0OvOdzAhgL7OXz0LPJEaZGMEajBQxBVmlgct/k+4px4BYL9hvOyrdPSeSIYofx GNK/JKsv9Xl9eaUA4LRNqlueYvI6+QKwh8r7wZ3X+u7nGo/wcr7w78i4Fft0XyOLIIZ8 MRWM9K7T7G6jZkty76YkuEWs7q20+gauAJB8aNB4k2Mt7NVUektCma0jX/XoeMorsPgo ab1g== z6mr14726246qen.52.1376325217730; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.231.104.103] (118.sub-174-236-229.myvzw.com. [174.236.229.118]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g9sm37656195qaz.4.2013.08.12.09.33.36 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:33:37 -0700 (PDT) From: H B Elam Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:33:33 -0400 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] LED lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Chris, Sandy, I bought direct plug-in replacements for the 1157's that were in my Tiger. Less current and bright enough to lessen my worries when flat-towing at night. Got mine at N O'Reilly's in South Boston, Va. Harry Elam _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 11:24:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72EAE428E1 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:24:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm45-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm45-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.60]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6284427C0 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:19:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm45.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2013 17:19:36 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.206] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2013 17:19:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2013 17:19:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 51096 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2013 17:19:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376327976; bh=iEHn3dBax1H+1nqfB7gICSsRaVEnsfMS/BAMG7XqtlY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=n5ihOSqDSRf9bwCqqpiEG3HSybErAMT2z2snW5aBIBrgF9817IVD2FREqxdlUiIyno2OutgKhX61yKGJ+uretLqM53zealVCXjMnYrXV5qJb7HqIXL87faY3i+dCRbkm1NB08bvisbm6V+03HXIeReGCewgstgOTAA+dqlBdv1E= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1FzypMMUidK/oANbUuAZuFZ38dNHghdffTsaORAKogRpe4CfSqBs+pu1dc9MgGvSse41UxXEEgS5CuKN+F6DVFov73d/skTGyv/wMvtniNSgsIkGRCJWy70UdP4qZzS1MZ0lDRlbg0p5PZm2WBLihZCnga9Nvjik0c0zSiopMkY=; oGSkhypc.fAkqsYxLJNPXTnsiw4R6xpL7x8SL4VQmQkXqJBNoKgsCeEmTXeU RJErtMEgHh6FeFaC87j4Jb_o1YiMeBaic3SjYLYabpggoqbmuUGYKHlirb4_ Pq0ZpJZgNJgaz9y7nDP8GuvCdPgraLf7FYfjCE1Pxhj6PMMt22O67hRmEko2 kCarNlOr4QkQCjYI3nwOLRClJKJawqxGtjzQq1ppBFZQ4nJmtJTxu.28R9wG ZNRA56u7IZ6pQ7tr2ARdwfNmKZG3Z1iqUSeMK1ac8s8H8aip9xNgA6dBCURd h3RSE.wAO5UdDEUeKxy_NBqFsBqA95IdWzpE_.EIFi1xKRO.zOwulYdx1OAT giz7v_JII9euhs.Aku76ixkXs.5vBEUIeUTMxRKO2ienamEw2V.8ie6b4.Qa fisGQN9hA0M0qfRa5EQG24dRJ2ThlSXEEEFrCKjoYSg0_jlf1SZUSaoTEe9F p9z_9hfek1I1Q7U5dVNVNhrX0FLcOJv_DWhzTXYUoZ7wdcWKaL2PrWDasBMz p3N6Re6owV9AV7A-- Received: from [69.35.177.185] by web142605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:19:36 PDT TGlzdGVycywKCkkgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIHRyeWluZyB0byByZW1vdmUgbXkgVGlnZXIncyBmcm9udCBjYWxpcGVycyBhZnRlciAzMCB5ZWFycyBpbiBzdG9yYWdlLiBUaGUgYm9sdHMgYXJlIGZyb3plbiBzbyBiYWRseSB0aGF0IEkgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIHVuYWJsZSB0byBjdXQgdGhlIHJ1c3QsIGV2ZW4gYWZ0ZXIgdXNpbmcgNCBicmFuZHMgb2YgcnVzdCBjdXR0aW5nIGNoZW1pY2FscywgaW5jbHVkaW5nIGluZHVzdHJpYWwgc3RyZW5ndGggc3R1ZmYuIEV2ZW4gYWZ0ZXIgYSB3ZWVrIG9yIG1vcmUgb2Ygc2l0dGluZywBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Halgren To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Frozen Calipers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, I have been trying to remove my Tiger's front calipers after 30 years in storage. The bolts are frozen so badly that I have been unable to cut the rust, even after using 4 brands of rust cutting chemicals, including industrial strength stuff. Even after a week or more of sitting, still frozen. Anybody got any recommendations? Will TR-6 calipers bolt in? Carl Halgren _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 11:53:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1940442962 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8FE42849 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:51:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r7CHp3Jw001987; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:51:20 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id dm0213.51f02a18.2211b3; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:51:18 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.140.42]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:51:10 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Carl Halgren'" , Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:51:07 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6XgMu71N244wE/TbGEV2UTkI3YnAAATX0g engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-12_05:2013-08-12,2013-08-12,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308120141 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Frozen Calipers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Carl You need to heat the bolts and probably the casting the bolt goes through if nothing else is working. I only have a propane torch to heat with and that should work for you but it will take time. Turn the bolt while it is hot; if it turns apply ATF and keep turning if it stops turning apply heat until it turns again, if it does not turn at all apply more heat. Torque to install those bolts is 60 ft lbs I only use ATF to loosen bolts; it mostly just smokes when hot but it can flare up so be aware and have a way to extinguish any of the products you already applied to those bolts when you use heat. I like to heat some then apply ATF and let it set a few minutes. The heat will help suck the ATF into the bolt area and the rust. The top bolt has about an inch of shoulder that could be rusted to everything; the lower bolt has less shoulder but is probably rusted the same way. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl Halgren Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 1:20 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Frozen Calipers Listers, I have been trying to remove my Tiger's front calipers after 30 years in storage. The bolts are frozen so badly that I have been unable to cut the rust, even after using 4 brands of rust cutting chemicals, including industrial strength stuff. Even after a week or more of sitting, still frozen. Anybody got any recommendations? Will TR-6 calipers bolt in? Carl Halgren _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 11:58:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BF3430D7 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:58:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4F442849 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:58:32 -0600 (MDT) a=JAY1dAhf1mjzVITC+/sjcQ==:17 a=fERs1dMV8CEA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=JMORpuhc6swA:10 a=jnsFDtc0AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=DFfSpT3lX8AG2WD_Sk8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=JbrN8npLvogA:10 a=JAY1dAhf1mjzVITC+/sjcQ==:117 Received: from [75.190.185.180] ([75.190.185.180:4693] helo=D32K5JC1) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 8F/5B-15971-74229025; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:58:32 +0000 From: "Sigma Engineering" To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:58:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] LED lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all that responded. I order some LED replacements & an electronic flasher today. chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "H B Elam" To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 12:33 PM Subject: [Tigers] LED lights > Chris, Sandy, I bought direct plug-in replacements for the 1157's that > were > in my Tiger. Less current and bright enough to lessen my worries when > flat-towing at night. Got mine at N O'Reilly's in South Boston, Va. > Harry Elam > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sigmaengr@carolina.rr.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 13:28:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C79A4298E for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:28:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s16.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s16.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD7C4295F for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:28:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU169-W61 ([65.55.116.74]) by blu0-omc3-s16.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:28:18 -0700 From: Brent Edinger To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:28:17 -0700 References: FILETIME=[193A65C0:01CE9792] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 277 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Let us know how they work out. Thanks, Brent > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:58:37 -0400 > From: "Sigma Engineering" > To: > Subject: Re: [Tigers] LED lights > Message-ID: <2D809DBB666F4EDC8F4A4C000FDA3D5B@D32K5JC1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Thanks to all that responded. I order some LED replacements & an electronic > flasher today. > chris _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 14:57:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6321242868 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 14:57:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f49.google.com (mail-vb0-f49.google.com [209.85.212.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F4C40E02 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 14:55:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id w16so6037531vbb.22 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:55:44 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=4bzKKOx7P2qnd1+9c+tPrBmLbWM+WDxDXdOwZnunOF4=; b=L76XOa59qAgebUsVfzf967toFZrd9cxQznZvqsoQYqQ61lp1lGn3EALhFh5hTdzJpA faUYJSe6KeTmU5g7SHKg/PC0OwxKkurNXcuQGi977u6dMfeDgAK77KqsYCDWuDF9KTYL nboOaxScOFzFH79P9FV/xbeUaBkJqv1+aDX2444Aqv3WqlSUsUpzjzyrbF7XWQ5z5wH1 XBo3QM0c/0sXZQuymZN7hSLKN0uf+PicaAfnfoNxZO6mfa0Q6FqTtnFgjt5AB0AmIZTH XNjeig4cdvCi6s9nXTFuL0uJdau3+QElfxUMh9IJvuXIRuaVE1pNgaWb7blfjHmRl0La Qb+A== Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.19.71 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:55:43 -0700 (PDT) References: <1376327976.49501.YahooMailNeo@web142605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:55:43 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Carl Halgren Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Frozen Calipers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Everyone has their special chemicals. I bought a can that I can't get over the counter that I've had work when all others have failed. If you are in So. Cal., you can have some. One other thing to do is to apply force on the bolt while banging on the base with the threaded hole. The twist and shock can help bring it free. The best is the be able to bang on opposite ends of the base at once. But, I don't think there is room on this one for that. Also, I realize how close quarters this is. It's hard enough to get a wrench in there, let along bang away with and hammer. This task probably really needs two people, which is even harder in the confined location. You may consider pulling off the entire axle and taking it to a shop with an impact wrench. Or maybe it's finally time to break down and buy that compresser and impact wrench you've always wanted. Then again, I'm not sure an impact wrench will fit in there. Personally, I've never been able to get anything hot enough to seem to make a difference. Maybe I need more than the butane torch I got at the local hardware store. Finally, if you are in California, please be sure that car has lots of heavy duty stuff underneath it so that all this banging doesn't knock the car off the jack stands and on to you!!!! On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Carl Halgren wrote: > Listers, > > I have been trying to remove my Tiger's front calipers after 30 > years in storage. The bolts are frozen so badly that I have been unable to > cut > the rust, even after using 4 brands of rust cutting chemicals, including > industrial strength stuff. Even after a week or more of sitting, still > frozen. > > Anybody got any recommendations? > > Will TR-6 calipers bolt in? > > Carl > Halgren > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 11:59:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2944039F for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:59:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC670400FF for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:38:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C227870085A0D for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqe002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqe002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.69]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7D758E000081 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:38:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:38:25 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376415505; bh=VhOUlSXgMLThCuvvZWjClID+CoEo/uI3EAgJ40mje9o=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MqpOwr/6GNh1+nU9Ybk6j9yJIr2MZKml0DWCluwmDJcjDzatYzBXmd1dC6YBtD/OR XDnFDhO8UjD/Hpp0EVre4rdEMV7U8dKR4Q0x4i8UIfzf1u0JQX65kTS4jy3GVx1am0 XKcokI5RyS0RFZF+8MzsRh0YpzUMdFg31FpQxvYc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a520a6f112a6b Subject: [Tigers] generator, Ford part number Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, Anybody know the correct Ford part number for a Tiger generator ? BTW: my car is a late Mk 1A Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 13:07:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4A140381 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:07:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD9D40329 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:59:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id m17so4262958vca.17 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:59:37 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DtQEuAG52BuhfM+FA8lwE1k17Zc6Yt9JIsPAVLqnPqs=; b=Jr4JAud1EDISUL3jnaZs0PHdSGxVWjJgja93IDmz9uv7HtBm7LAu3LDT9Z1ZHoeasz CJwDCiw4eikA3VNknd5PSIeYktC3dn+8Q+CL4cJxCozfw78UWAefdm5Sjohh5PLFMXX0 XfYEMCZWFYS3rctPb6le0TKyDmEQsn83QIniDGbj5aUvqlYSohQBAOjM1ADl+zZF1BIR uh82XABQ+7f7NheJBGygfEuZKSaar2PNp9RD7LsFvFfrdD42pWAm+piLRGXX2qODey2v O5lQbM8HV6Yp1AuPF1D6ZArjW0XTZQFojeqMXy8zG9tWWZQ31fg5X2tIq22J085AMIsd PCjA== Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.19.71 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:59:37 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: [Tigers] Monterey This Weekend Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I don't know about anyone else, but I am currently planning on being up at Laguna Seca with my two sons. Since all three of us can't fit in the Tiger, we'll be in a bright green 1973 911, camping on the ridge looking down the main straight. We'll certainly be spending a lot of time in the paddock, and wherever Tigers are. We'll also be helping out pitting for a racing 914. Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 13:07:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F5040417 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:07:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6CF400AD for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:02:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id bj1so8719133pad.28 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:02:12 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zGWI1tFxTYpCVqeFemysuAGqeyQbc3i19fXosspwDvA=; b=Z9CYZE9AjMxJRfMiXiJIa90wiauWv5FSImt8J1oKreoyHecyIwJnR7Br6R+sBI8iSB F4XglYAw/dZh06Pg8FDajGevQuU9NhBUsvpSH9F0MvgtkaiPBQ51QCiIc7ZepNTQxNPl fMrzZf9JLZQR1OG/xMxFaQehgJxaV1d5ki56sbOgiXZ0gAFytm97pspUktQUk24+Bicf mcvigfMIa1wMQy5BT0mMeSvPRYSHT8b8KDUIZp+Bhxj8wWJTaSXJnhrAXXVNgpYRcU5t 52pLyoTO+GtHeNxHqajF+IMR0CvrZ7fJ3Yrqg+nZGDKmJWJCFATmAtDGIUhSKJjIb99W b5vA== Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.126.197 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:02:12 -0500 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Wire Wheel Tubes???!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ok Team, I have a minor emergency and you are the first resource I think of. I have a series V alpine that I sold and it has wire wheels with knock offs on it. the tires are trash, and i assume the tubes are too because they go flat in minutes. I have extra tires for the car but need tubes for a factory sunbeam wire wheel. I havent called any of the local stores yet, but do you expect any retail or shops in an average us metropolitan city to sell tubes for a 13" wheel? lastly, should I shoot myself now or later? Thanks guys, Cullen 1452 LROFE TAC 840 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 13:53:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6237F403BC for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:53:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC0140324 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from HPamdX2 ([unknown] [173.58.229.205]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MRH00KCEJ735WV1@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:52:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Jay Laifman" , "Tiger's Den" References: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:52:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Monterey This Weekend Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, Our Tiger is in Pit E26 with Steve Sorensen's next door in pit E28. We have two qualification sessions - Thursday at 10:30 and Friday at 10:10. Then we race twice on Saturday - Qualifying race at 10:10 and then the main race at 2:40. We don't run on Sunday. Don't forget there's a Tiger lunch at 1pm on Thursday at the Baja Cantina in Monterey. See you at the track. Buck Trippel -----Original Message----- From: Jay Laifman Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:59 AM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Monterey This Weekend I don't know about anyone else, but I am currently planning on being up at Laguna Seca with my two sons. Since all three of us can't fit in the Tiger, we'll be in a bright green 1973 911, camping on the ridge looking down the main straight. We'll certainly be spending a lot of time in the paddock, and wherever Tigers are. We'll also be helping out pitting for a racing 914. Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 14:14:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1F1403A6 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:14:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cmta10.telus.net (cmta10.telus.net [209.171.16.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10BF4009B for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from JimPC ([64.180.202.97]) by cmta10.telus.net with TELUS id CLDy1m00S26biso01LDyWn; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:13:59 -0600 a=XGpgU1NhXoD5BHGiwmP3cg==:17 a=71TE-_1rD6YA:10 a=kg4CHXgqtSEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dyTapXDjAAAA:8 a=9mUaepY4HxgA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=vShKXPviN0MH_vCa9toA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=XGpgU1NhXoD5BHGiwmP3cg==:117 From: "jim" To: "'Cullen McCann'" , References: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:13:19 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6YWGgEx6wwds3GS8WCPJWppx0OFAAByhpw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wire Wheel Tubes???!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Cullen I needed a new tube for one of the 13" wire wheel on my wife's Sprite last year and my local tire shop had one in stock no problem... ( pop. 20k with 5 tire shops including Wallyworld !) Interesting story, though... She's had the car with those same tires for many years and they probably had around 22-25 lbs. of air in them ( light car! ) but last year I was topping them up and put in about 30 lbs. . Shortly after, one went flat! I took it down to the local shop and the tire guy pointed out a couple of issues. The first one was that there was a 12" tube on the rim! The other was... upon close examination, there was a small rough spot on the outside of the tube where it was leaking and he pointed out that often a tire will have one or two small stickers on the inside! Sure enough, there was a sticker ( paper thin! ) about 3/8" X 3/4" on the inside opposite the tread and we are now surmising that the years of abrasion on that sticker plus the overstretched 12" tube plus the slight increase in tire pressure led to the failure !! Who knew?? Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:02 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Wire Wheel Tubes???!!! Ok Team, I have a minor emergency and you are the first resource I think of. I have a series V alpine that I sold and it has wire wheels with knock offs on it. the tires are trash, and i assume the tubes are too because they go flat in minutes. I have extra tires for the car but need tubes for a factory sunbeam wire wheel. I havent called any of the local stores yet, but do you expect any retail or shops in an average us metropolitan city to sell tubes for a 13" wheel? lastly, should I shoot myself now or later? Thanks guys, Cullen 1452 LROFE TAC 840 _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 14:27:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2E740398 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:27:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f48.google.com (mail-pb0-f48.google.com [209.85.160.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A5940329 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:27:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id ma3so8269083pbc.7 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:27:42 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=EcNLkgJ/1diZ5tu7idMyFP4xwLT98ULBOsYZOvfzg90=; b=qJgcfw53DJDCFpOX8HtaJf08mdI7qYuGqa8feXdcqFg+2dy3BGaXvLURA5QAn1G4Np YMYi9BdQ1AOYObMyddgKDJ5h8Nqk09gguEjEP5ImOwUaqaO/lAB9vkppe1p4WOpIO4Fn 8bicQvgASfOiPmglZ4UI+W/ORWZz8+7jsGr57zzhsX1ENxoNgCaRvDzd69hmNGIC7Ihz mDHjUJspMHrQKecw8dlIVZMASEBmIY83pLgtqueO6v6qc4vpHwvr4zj00bGlLHgd3X6E ozwscw8hDpwDoVzEUq25xdc7+zDbP/eja821VLN2Bw4lq0Rs4s+Gv64INlrTvgurnURu L3Kw== cs1mr6194269pbb.11.1376425662488; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.126.197 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:27:42 -0700 (PDT) References: <016f01ce9861$8e75af50$ab610df0$@net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:27:42 -0500 From: Cullen McCann To: jim Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wire Wheel Tubes???!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Jim...what weird story. fun to read. Well even since I posted the question, your right, a local shop said they could have them in stock by tomorrow.... 15 bucks a piece. so...looks like a deal. I will check the paper / protective layer on the wires, for sure! Thank you! Cullen On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 3:13 PM, jim wrote: > Hi Cullen > > I needed a new tube for one of the 13" wire wheel on my wife's Sprite last > year and my local tire shop had one in stock no problem... ( pop. 20k with > 5 > tire shops including Wallyworld !) > > Interesting story, though... She's had the car with those same tires for > many years and they probably had around 22-25 lbs. of air in them ( light > car! ) but last year I was topping them up and put in about 30 lbs. . > Shortly after, one went flat! I took it down to the local shop and the tire > guy pointed out a couple of issues. The first one was that there was a 12" > tube on the rim! The other was... upon close examination, there was a small > rough spot on the outside of the tube where it was leaking and he pointed > out that often a tire will have one or two small stickers on the inside! > Sure enough, there was a sticker ( paper thin! ) about 3/8" X 3/4" on the > inside opposite the tread and we are now surmising that the years of > abrasion on that sticker plus the overstretched 12" tube plus the slight > increase in tire pressure led to the failure !! > > Who knew?? > > > Jim > B382000446 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Cullen McCann > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:02 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Wire Wheel Tubes???!!! > > Ok Team, I have a minor emergency and you are the first resource I think > of. > I have a series V alpine that I sold and it has wire wheels with knock offs > on it. the tires are trash, and i assume the tubes are too because they go > flat in minutes. I have extra tires for the car but need tubes for a > factory > sunbeam wire wheel. I havent called any of the local stores yet, but do you > expect any retail or shops in an average us metropolitan city to sell tubes > for a 13" wheel? > > lastly, should I shoot myself now or later? > > Thanks guys, > > Cullen > 1452 LROFE TAC 840 > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 08:50:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C935403F8 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 08:50:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4E14032A; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 08:49:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oz.com ([unknown] [63.236.37.73]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MRI00F3CZUPXP30@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:49:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:49:37 +0000 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: , Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 278 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net the tool you need for rusty frozen bolts is an inductive frameless system..brand name mini doctor..it's great...the propane is a waste of time Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ------Original Message------ From: To: Date: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:00:03 PM GMT-0600 Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 278 Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 277 (Brent Edinger) 2. Re: Frozen Calipers (Jay Laifman) 3. generator, Ford part number (Rollright@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:28:17 -0700 From: Brent Edinger To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 277 Let us know how they work out. Thanks, Brent > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:58:37 -0400 > From: "Sigma Engineering" > To: > Subject: Re: [Tigers] LED lights > Message-ID: <2D809DBB666F4EDC8F4A4C000FDA3D5B@D32K5JC1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Thanks to all that responded. I order some LED replacements & an electronic > flasher today. > chris ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:55:43 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Carl Halgren Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Frozen Calipers Message-ID: Everyone has their special chemicals. I bought a can that I can't get over the counter that I've had work when all others have failed. If you are in So. Cal., you can have some. One other thing to do is to apply force on the bolt while banging on the base with the threaded hole. The twist and shock can help bring it free. The best is the be able to bang on opposite ends of the base at once. But, I don't think there is room on this one for that. Also, I realize how close quarters this is. It's hard enough to get a wrench in there, let along bang away with and hammer. This task probably really needs two people, which is even harder in the confined location. You may consider pulling off the entire axle and taking it to a shop with an impact wrench. Or maybe it's finally time to break down and buy that compresser and impact wrench you've always wanted. Then again, I'm not sure an impact wrench will fit in there. Personally, I've never been able to get anything hot enough to seem to make a difference. Maybe I need more than the butane torch I got at the local hardware store. Finally, if you are in California, please be sure that car has lots of heavy duty stuff underneath it so that all this banging doesn't knock the car off the jack stands and on to you!!!! On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Carl Halgren wrote: > Listers, > > I have been trying to remove my Tiger's front calipers after 30 > years in storage. The bolts are frozen so badly that I have been unable to > cut > the rust, even after using 4 brands of rust cutting chemicals, including > industrial strength stuff. Even after a week or more of sitting, still > frozen. > > Anybody got any recommendations? > > Will TR-6 calipers bolt in? > > Carl > Halgren > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:38:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] generator, Ford part number Hello, Anybody know the correct Ford part number for a Tiger generator ? BTW: my car is a late Mk 1A Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tigers mailing list Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers End of Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 278 ************************************** _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 09:04:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343E1403F5 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:04:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (unknown [216.32.180.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2642040074; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:03:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail23-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.250) by CO1EHSOBE017.bigfish.com (10.243.66.80) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; 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tigers-request@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 278 the tool you need for rusty frozen bolts is an inductive frameless system..brand name mini doctor..it's great...the propane is a waste of time Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 09:08:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F14B403EE for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:08:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF8840078 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:08:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail163-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.242) by CO1EHSOBE005.bigfish.com (10.243.66.68) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 15:08:06 +0000 Received: from mail163-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail163-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3107340126 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 15:08:06 +0000 (UTC) IPV:NLI; H:BL2PRD0611HT001.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail163-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail163-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1376492832622459_23460; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 15:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS029.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.246]) by mail163-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B225D00048 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 15:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BL2PRD0611HT001.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (157.56.240.229) by CO1EHSMHS029.bigfish.com (10.243.66.39) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 15:07:12 +0000 Received: from BL2PRD0611MB398.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.4.85]) by BL2PRD0611HT001.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.105.164]) with mapi id 14.16.0347.000; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 15:07:11 +0000 From: Greg Koss To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 278 Thread-Index: AQHOmP2nCAGjxIxGnUGKrkbkt1qRYpmUzcWg Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 15:07:10 +0000 References: <0MRI00F3EZUPXP30@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [12.174.136.146] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 278 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net MINI-DUCTOR(r) II http://www.theinductor.com/index.php -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clyde McLaughlin Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:50 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net; tigers-request@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 278 the tool you need for rusty frozen bolts is an inductive frameless system..brand name mini doctor..it's great...the propane is a waste of time Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 10:29:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824F740414 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:29:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30AA6403EA for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:28:49 -0600 (MDT) c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1376584128; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; 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Note that I masked the original P/N stenciling before repainting. In case you can't read the number from the picture, it's C40F-10000-A. I expect that this is the correct number for your 1A too. You should note that the parts book lists separate numbers for the generator and for the pulley - the Tiger pulley isn't the same as for the standard Ford 260 generator. Numbers from the parts book are: CITZ-10002-A for generator, C20F-10130-A for the pulley. The workshop manual lists C20F-10000-G, presumably for the generator/pulley assembly. The workshop manual covers both MK1 and 1A but lists only one P/N. I expect the C2 number was for the MK1 and the C4 number is for the MK1A. Will Seay_____________ wseay@embarqmail.com "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 1:38 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] generator, Ford part number Hello, Anybody know the correct Ford part number for a Tiger generator ? BTW: my car is a late Mk 1A Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 10:31:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D39F4054F for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:31:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E9A403EA for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:30:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r7FGUAPv030448 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:31:54 -0700 Received: by dm0220.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0220.520b1577.37b9f for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:30:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:30:37 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-15_07:2013-08-15,2013-08-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308150093 Subject: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, so a few weeks ago, I asked about alternative motors for the WFS version 2014. I received a plethora of suggestions (don't you just love that word!) and some ver pretty dang good. But, while surfing this morning I remembered a motor that may fit the bill better and has some performance parts support. That is the 1988 SHO V6 which produced good power, over 200, and can be mounted longitudinally. It shares a bell housing pattern with the Vulcan V6 motor. And is it just under 3 litres displacement and conveniently uses the EEC IV efi system and it might be cheaper than the national debt. It is a DOHC motor but with a 60 degree bank angle so it will likely fit. And although it is a Yamaha, if comes from Ford so falls in my list of druthers for Ford stuff. The trick now, is to find one that can be bought complete for a song or at least a loud yodel. Anybody have a clue as to where I might start looking for one or two of them? Might even turn out to be a good transplant for either a Tiger or Alpine... Of course, a manual trans version would be lovely also as I am tired of wrestling with my AOD trans good as it is... it is large.... And I have thought of stretching the wheel base for next time... 130 inches vs 90 sure seems better for salt racing stability. Went to the salt, Mon, Tues and yesterday for a look see. Salt is poor. very bumpy, lots of soft spots and more spin outs in the day and a half I was there that most of the meets I have been to combined! Lots of broken motors and car parts. If it does not rain and smooth things out, it will be a tough go. On a side note, my new F350 King Ranch Dually tow truck was a marvel..once even hit 95 mph, ahem, passing a big truck.... and still got 16.7 overall mpg up and back and around town.... shoot me considerations for the SHO motor, 1988 specific and a manual trans set up for same.... mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 10:42:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8344640411 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:42:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6816403EA for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:41:57 -0600 (MDT) c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1376584917; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=wLJ1LNtK4KhiWWLYI1NLs5wMUaM=; b=nwt7yy9456WOAmJNTmnSM1OC/NP5e4IJ8qwraAk/1NDCGa9O7CeFdE5ytunhmfNk UqJU00QFLWjZnxwON+8mESSnlyWTesRjNAwtQZkHdIso7vaYCXRT5IqsMCV0ythk; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=VHR75LDRdwNiv49K1R9BLQ==:117 a=VHR75LDRdwNiv49K1R9BLQ==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=71TE-_1rD6YA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=9mUaepY4HxgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=BuGX3PeJ-DiuJtwrkn8A:9 a=RDCpv4YG6hUndlx0:21 a=uJOeBfOsSEHyh2gt:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=wseay@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.48.131.223] ([71.48.131.223:20215] helo=xpseay) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPA id D1/EC-18167-4D40D025; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:41:56 -0400 From: "Will Seay" To: "'Cullen McCann'" , References: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:41:57 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6YWGr/C1YMZ6pBTXyM452DndDG/ABfLGDQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wire Wheel Tubes???!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Cullen, Way back when, I used to run tubes in the tires for my Tiger. That was before I came to trust tubeless tires. Back then they made a special heavy-duty (thicker) tube for radial tires. The radials flex more than bias-ply tires and therefore are harder on the tubes. If you find a tube, make sure that it's OK for radials, that's assuming that your tires are radials. Good luck on your tube quest, shoot-now may still be your best option. Will Seay_____________ wseay@embarqmail.com "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 3:02 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Wire Wheel Tubes???!!! Ok Team, I have a minor emergency and you are the first resource I think of. I have a series V alpine that I sold and it has wire wheels with knock offs on it. the tires are trash, and i assume the tubes are too because they go flat in minutes. I have extra tires for the car but need tubes for a factory sunbeam wire wheel. I havent called any of the local stores yet, but do you expect any retail or shops in an average us metropolitan city to sell tubes for a 13" wheel? lastly, should I shoot myself now or later? Thanks guys, Cullen 1452 LROFE TAC 840 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wseay@embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 10:46:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D8440535 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f50.google.com (mail-la0-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B64403EA for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:46:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id ek20so746604lab.9 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:46:06 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=dr2t2CAlje65EzD6hjOcRc19aBkYdotW40DY4tGno0E=; b=X80Y1Bj81fcCnpysqZaJi1oDVeIbRAVeBatQI2Bt9GapX0mMbZ4yv4Er2iLtBI7cx+ 4UQ3w+MmDliGIUVvta4FZfNofEaNGUJFI8wIKpIeavrm5hcUyfxN/qV/KLOJBpI/97iV zCqAo/cDBXm1rKNGaRmlmvgwIVXbTKJzcqhZWHgc9Ri3GY88bRAO44OHw3cjAbT7gBKu qaOBgy0UXzYpq/1O9+m5ujfLIW01QDgceltb3fAcqJq7v/gex7U1G0cQWRWWioI0aILP jft8Ryknk9XX3B+EjVp45+iJU8xeok5AHXUFtS2PZRTNTSAjP+4QkHYGKe2tLgvIVNft Q9uQ== z5mr2867534lad.31.1376585166112; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:46:06 -0700 (PDT) References: <520D022D.4000602@mayfco.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:46:06 -0400 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: "" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hit hemmings, ebay and craigslist for an old Taurus and rebuilt it ( that will be fun). Michael shortt On Aug 15, 2013 12:31 PM, "Larry Mayfield" wrote: > Ok, so a few weeks ago, I asked about alternative motors for the WFS > version 2014. I received a plethora of suggestions (don't you just love > that word!) and some ver pretty dang good. But, while surfing this morning > I remembered a motor that may fit the bill better and has some performance > parts support. That is the 1988 SHO V6 which produced good power, over 200, > and can be mounted longitudinally. It shares a bell housing pattern with > the Vulcan V6 motor. And is it just under 3 litres displacement and > conveniently uses the EEC IV efi system and it might be cheaper than the > national debt. It is a DOHC motor but with a 60 degree bank angle so it > will likely fit. And although it is a Yamaha, if comes from Ford so falls > in my list of druthers for Ford stuff. > > The trick now, is to find one that can be bought complete for a song or > at least a loud yodel. Anybody have a clue as to where I might start > looking for one or two of them? Might even turn out to be a good > transplant for either a Tiger or Alpine... Of course, a manual trans > version would be lovely also as I am tired of wrestling with my AOD trans > good as it is... it is large.... > > And I have thought of stretching the wheel base for next time... 130 > inches vs 90 sure seems better for salt racing stability. > > Went to the salt, Mon, Tues and yesterday for a look see. Salt is poor. > very bumpy, lots of soft spots and more spin outs in the day and a half I > was there that most of the meets I have been to combined! Lots of broken > motors and car parts. If it does not rain and smooth things out, it will be > a tough go. On a side note, my new F350 King Ranch Dually tow truck was a > marvel..once even hit 95 mph, ahem, passing a big truck.... and still got > 16.7 overall mpg up and back and around town.... > > shoot me considerations for the SHO motor, 1988 specific and a manual > trans set up for same.... > > mayf > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/michael@** > michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 11:22:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB15240434 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:22:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f171.google.com (mail-ve0-f171.google.com [209.85.128.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48A040067 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f171.google.com with SMTP id pa12so783062veb.30 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:21:02 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=S7upn4xZP14iC/KfyUmPhRiVP4W12Wfxy3naS5QeZ+s=; b=gaupqPvQKp7fVtMipyQj9pMNR5hHLmniSIYZo5L1Zm45PVOrWaeGvm8du2glZ0LSbV 5d4YADdY27mAI+BzK5LLPPejLTdbLeKBSx5nSZ68tHBJxxkKcRvgH3U8aa9JC3wCkslO mefG8OTYXl5I+mWHJ/AUmmLZdSO3t+K0g5zIxskL7+v7GrXU/7KGH6Z85TqwgLtpR5Jk sPLw2n2ga1VMNjWLwmyJyRGuqdekwhKw0zqAVFaVS6WaDMmCXvAmWgQwG5sWy0bluxpb wGGHjBBo5QBm6dXeCCQ2HUZBdoEQ9cKpkcl7Ak4VdmubEhxPHoZ+JINE/pu/y4TVVG+r +ULw== cl10mr38025vcb.69.1376587262113; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.19.71 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:21:02 -0700 (PDT) References: <004f01ce99d6$5c577690$150663b0$@com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:21:02 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Will Seay Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wire Wheel Tubes???!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Last time I got my tires changed on my Alpine with wires, the shop had them, no problem. This was within the last 8 years. This is in Agoura Hills, California. On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Will Seay wrote: > Cullen, > > Way back when, I used to run tubes in the tires for my Tiger. That was > before I > came to trust tubeless tires. Back then they made a special heavy-duty > (thicker) tube for radial tires. The radials flex more than bias-ply > tires and > therefore are harder on the tubes. If you find a tube, make sure that > it's OK > for radials, that's assuming that your tires are radials. > > Good luck on your tube quest, shoot-now may still be your best option. > > Will Seay_____________ > wseay@embarqmail.com > "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Cullen McCann > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 3:02 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Wire Wheel Tubes???!!! > > Ok Team, I have a minor emergency and you are the first resource I think > of. I > have a series V alpine that I sold and it has wire wheels with knock offs > on it. > the tires are trash, and i assume the tubes are too because they go flat in > minutes. I have extra tires for the car but need tubes for a factory > sunbeam > wire wheel. I havent called any of the local stores yet, but do you expect > any > retail or shops in an average us metropolitan city to sell tubes for a 13" > wheel? > > lastly, should I shoot myself now or later? > > Thanks guys, > > Cullen > 1452 LROFE TAC 840 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wseay@embarqmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 11:53:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23E840433 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:53:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f47.google.com (mail-pa0-f47.google.com [209.85.220.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC20403F0 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id kl13so979121pab.34 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:51:03 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=n/oMOOVvSh32zXA701lKjxCA+6VMBrP08mecRvGrOPk=; b=OyGeB2XMBgDiDWwz3h9ufc9/Qvu5APjovBO/euN/+D/SrVxvbu2eBdH74pc23/4vbk n9R285xDM0luirGJ45EI2EO+qsWNaz//e80YXIb9JaHfEp2IMWC/rSOl6bKmNnfgkTsk q8/xLp8ynOW2lV/ITXJPlAWi3D3TQMuFjzyvPUZvyNVOl7MhcAvikVCZHm9S00V0zDcx qIoMrPSxdwVt4t3dDIkSX+C6qyPKwMyFcrsax9T2jC0Hkvf1AgV8Wq2iV5xJjZG6T9LL QcbSz6Rk7zyHQfyUxG8MJIGFulqyZ6E1w4gSwKn93pwH7PF+NF8cSz0UlU8n7hihl6HS EnGA== sf6mr17015189pac.21.1376589063057; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.126.197 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:51:02 -0700 (PDT) References: <004f01ce99d6$5c577690$150663b0$@com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:51:02 -0500 From: Cullen McCann To: Will Seay Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wire Wheel Tubes???!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Will and everyone for the thoughts. I was able to find a local shop who said they could have the set of 4 tubes in overnight by special order. The tires I had were several years old and used but they mounted up find. I didnt pester them much on the details as this little series V alpine was just passing through. I only mounted up the tires so i could keep it rolling onto the dudes trailer that bought it. I bought the car out of the dallas area for its hardtop. ( found the car on craigslist for 1500 bucks with a complete, rust free hardtop, with ALL trim included even the little clips on the back that joined the rear window trim. It needs full resto but its complete and straight. I bought the car, kept the top and sold the car for another 500 bucks over what i paid. whoooo hoo! so i scored a nice hardtop and made a few bucks. the alpine itself had some rust in the floor boards and some body damage, but could be saved. I dont need another beam so I sent it down the road via ePay. thanks for all the help everyone on the little adventure. Cullen Alpine 260 TAC 840 On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Will Seay wrote: > Cullen, > > Way back when, I used to run tubes in the tires for my Tiger. That was > before I > came to trust tubeless tires. Back then they made a special heavy-duty > (thicker) tube for radial tires. The radials flex more than bias-ply > tires and > therefore are harder on the tubes. If you find a tube, make sure that > it's OK > for radials, that's assuming that your tires are radials. > > Good luck on your tube quest, shoot-now may still be your best option. > > Will Seay_____________ > wseay@embarqmail.com > "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Cullen McCann > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 3:02 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Wire Wheel Tubes???!!! > > Ok Team, I have a minor emergency and you are the first resource I think > of. I > have a series V alpine that I sold and it has wire wheels with knock offs > on it. > the tires are trash, and i assume the tubes are too because they go flat in > minutes. I have extra tires for the car but need tubes for a factory > sunbeam > wire wheel. I havent called any of the local stores yet, but do you expect > any > retail or shops in an average us metropolitan city to sell tubes for a 13" > wheel? > > lastly, should I shoot myself now or later? > > Thanks guys, > > Cullen > 1452 LROFE TAC 840 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wseay@embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 12:59:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9187240533 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:59:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og113.obsmtp.com (exprod5og113.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15C1403F9 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:58:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cinmlip10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([12.71.149.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob113.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUg0k7jIpWOJaKDWRkTJsJvtpteXaGY9A@postini.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:58:55 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO cinmlef07.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.213.38]) by cinmlip10.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 15 Aug 2013 14:58:53 -0400 Received: from cinmlef16.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.213.85]) by cinmlef07.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:58:53 -0400 Received: from cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.50]) by cinmlef16.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:58:40 -0400 Received: from ALPMBHT03.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.19.196) by cinmlch01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:58:37 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.55) by ALPMBHT03.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.19.196) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:58:32 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.243]) by CINMBCNA01.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.1.238]) with mapi id 14.03.0136.001; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:58:31 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate Thread-Index: AQHOmdTrmv6Jx7GxFk6ccXYrfPkFGZmWlnQg Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 18:58:30 +0000 References: <520D022D.4000602@mayfco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.193] FILETIME=[7474E290:01CE99E9] Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ah, SHO Taurus, my green 1991 was the only car I have ever owned that was bought back under our state's Lemon Law. Great engine, everything attached to it was a POS. Be aware that the later automatic cars ('92 - on?) were 3.2 liter, you need to find a manual tranny version to stay under that magical 3.0 liter bogie. As a side note I bought a '96 SHO 3.4 liter V-8 engine, also a 60 degree layout, out of a low mileage junker several years ago to use as a potential engine swap into something small and Miata-like. Did not know at the time about the cam sprocket loosening issues, this engine had fallen victim and most of the valves were tweeked so it became a nice piece of scrap metal. It was a neat little engine, too bad. Here's a '89 SHO 3.0 liter in Vegas: http://www.automotix.net/usedengines/1989-ford-taurus-inventory.html?fit_note s=7a834fbaf84c4cf74707388f1af6a757&seq_num=3 And a Depends-load of '91 3.0 automatics around the country: http://www.automotix.net/usedengines/1991-ford-taurus-inventory.html?fit_note s=53018f94eded282c47f29ae44a6e472d&seq_num=2 Good hunting! Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 12:31 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate Ok, so a few weeks ago, I asked about alternative motors for the WFS version 2014. I received a plethora of suggestions (don't you just love that word!) and some ver pretty dang good. But, while surfing this morning I remembered a motor that may fit the bill better and has some performance parts support. That is the 1988 SHO V6 which produced good power, over 200, and can be mounted longitudinally. It shares a bell housing pattern with the Vulcan V6 motor. And is it just under 3 litres displacement and conveniently uses the EEC IV efi system and it might be cheaper than the national debt. It is a DOHC motor but with a 60 degree bank angle so it will likely fit. And although it is a Yamaha, if comes from Ford so falls in my list of druthers for Ford stuff. The trick now, is to find one that can be bought complete for a song or at least a loud yodel. Anybody have a clue as to where I might start looking for one or two of them? Might even turn out to be a good transplant for either a Tiger or Alpine... Of course, a manual trans version would be lovely also as I am tired of wrestling with my AOD trans good as it is... it is large.... And I have thought of stretching the wheel base for next time... 130 inches vs 90 sure seems better for salt racing stability. Went to the salt, Mon, Tues and yesterday for a look see. Salt is poor. very bumpy, lots of soft spots and more spin outs in the day and a half I was there that most of the meets I have been to combined! Lots of broken motors and car parts. If it does not rain and smooth things out, it will be a tough go. On a side note, my new F350 King Ranch Dually tow truck was a marvel..once even hit 95 mph, ahem, passing a big truck.... and still got 16.7 overall mpg up and back and around town.... shoot me considerations for the SHO motor, 1988 specific and a manual trans set up for same.... mayf _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 13:36:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6164051F for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:36:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CFC403F9 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:35:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r7FJNDBi023087; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:35:23 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622d) id sj1-dm103.520b15b9.3463e; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:35:19 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.140.126]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 19:35:17 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Will Seay'" , Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:35:14 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6YTub0o4P4OTNlReaDqtnVmkqf+wBhUOcwAAXDdiA= engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-15_08:2013-08-15,2013-08-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308150134 Subject: Re: [Tigers] generator, Ford part number Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The C2OF-10000-G is for a generator with a 1 sheave pulley. Most Ford generators are the 15V, 30 amp type. The number stamped on the generator I believe follows the Ford Model year. It is possible that a few C2OF-1000-G generator were used very early in the MkI but since the Tiger engine production started in the 1964 model year, Aug 1963. I believe the Tiger generator were all marked C4OF-10000-A but I do not have any details to totally support that statement. I did not looked at this point in my Original Engine Study. My guess most original generators were replaced or rebuilt and the number stamp long gone. Its always good to see new information about the original Tiger engine configuration pop up. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Will Seay Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 12:29 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] generator, Ford part number Jim, I have attached a picture of the original generator out of B382001570. Note that I masked the original P/N stenciling before repainting. In case you can't read the number from the picture, it's C40F-10000-A. I expect that this is the correct number for your 1A too. You should note that the parts book lists separate numbers for the generator and for the pulley - the Tiger pulley isn't the same as for the standard Ford 260 generator. Numbers from the parts book are: CITZ-10002-A for generator, C20F-10130-A for the pulley. The workshop manual lists C20F-10000-G, presumably for the generator/pulley assembly. The workshop manual covers both MK1 and 1A but lists only one P/N. I expect the C2 number was for the MK1 and the C4 number is for the MK1A. Will Seay_____________ wseay@embarqmail.com "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 1:38 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] generator, Ford part number Hello, Anybody know the correct Ford part number for a Tiger generator ? BTW: my car is a late Mk 1A Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6578 - Release Date: 08/14/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 13:45:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A251F4051F for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:45:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A4A403FB for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:45:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id o7so970736lbv.3 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:45:28 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cQAviIC9sIIi9PUtgU2SmS8F9/zKeb5VIPgAXJKzO9U=; b=CsO6VTcH8UZoP31Qq01DUIu85XRp6QxFP7SDaf7n4/WDGLMDq2NHTyFDyQEoWop6iB 4xYIt4TeOMyvb2A+EyiK1I7Yp9UXNv37tnQPMXMwOcUih4P3bSNzy/N09icmo9WGNYoA V8u7pNr4Qlvel/3uIOumcDOG663I8C/oeoTopbJq2Kf6EOdSbWZOhrNq6rEPBVSGINY3 em3DZ+jVABZ0ItlhE101iHr7I4IzHdDUzOdhUjBCmpQNcE/tk4d4GsvzUyqFy8ObdxUG dY8ShltGJ8K0CtcK8InFQ1xwwOWPDbkChZH4DS+q64A3y/vRv1vwVnEVA/2fShMCUNMa 3I4A== oe6mr13606328lbb.30.1376595928541; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:45:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <520D022D.4000602@mayfco.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147D000E3@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:45:28 -0400 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: "Mark Rense, (GE, Appl & Light)" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay Leno has one attached to a Transaxle in the back seat of a Ford Festevia(sp), it was called a Shogun. Very Limited Production, looks a bit like a Renault R5. Michael Shortt On Aug 15, 2013 2:59 PM, "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" wrote: > Ah, SHO Taurus, my green 1991 was the only car I have ever owned that was > bought back under our state's Lemon Law. Great engine, everything attached > to > it was a POS. Be aware that the later automatic cars ('92 - on?) were 3.2 > liter, you need to find a manual tranny version to stay under that magical > 3.0 > liter bogie. > > As a side note I bought a '96 SHO 3.4 liter V-8 engine, also a 60 degree > layout, out of a low mileage junker several years ago to use as a potential > engine swap into something small and Miata-like. Did not know at the time > about the cam sprocket loosening issues, this engine had fallen victim and > most of the valves were tweeked so it became a nice piece of scrap metal. > It > was a neat little engine, too bad. > > Here's a '89 SHO 3.0 liter in Vegas: > > http://www.automotix.net/usedengines/1989-ford-taurus-inventory.html?fit_note > s=7a834fbaf84c4cf74707388f1af6a757&seq_num=3 > > And a Depends-load of '91 3.0 automatics around the country: > > http://www.automotix.net/usedengines/1991-ford-taurus-inventory.html?fit_note > s=53018f94eded282c47f29ae44a6e472d&seq_num=2 > > Good hunting! > > Bugz > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Larry Mayfield > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 12:31 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate > > Ok, so a few weeks ago, I asked about alternative motors for the WFS > version > 2014. I received a plethora of suggestions (don't you just love that > word!) > and some ver pretty dang good. But, while surfing this morning I > remembered a > motor that may fit the bill better and has some performance parts support. > That is the 1988 SHO V6 which produced good power, over 200, and can be > mounted longitudinally. It shares a bell housing pattern with the Vulcan > V6 > motor. And is it just under 3 litres displacement and conveniently uses the > EEC IV efi system and it might be cheaper than the national debt. It is a > DOHC motor but with a 60 degree bank angle so it will likely fit. And > although > it is a Yamaha, if comes from Ford so falls in my list of druthers for Ford > stuff. > > The trick now, is to find one that can be bought complete for a song or at > least a loud yodel. Anybody have a clue as to where I might start looking > for > one or two of them? Might even turn out to be a good transplant for > either a > Tiger or Alpine... Of course, a manual trans version would be lovely also > as I > am tired of wrestling with my AOD trans good as it is... it is large.... > > And I have thought of stretching the wheel base for next time... 130 > inches vs > 90 sure seems better for salt racing stability. > > Went to the salt, Mon, Tues and yesterday for a look see. Salt is poor. > very bumpy, lots of soft spots and more spin outs in the day and a half I > was > there that most of the meets I have been to combined! Lots of broken motors > and car parts. If it does not rain and smooth things out, it will be a > tough > go. On a side note, my new F350 King Ranch Dually tow truck was a > marvel..once even hit 95 mph, ahem, passing a big truck.... and still got > 16.7 overall mpg up and back and around town.... > > shoot me considerations for the SHO motor, 1988 specific and a manual trans > set up for same.... > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 15:30:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A310540437 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:30:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBD240078 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:30:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BE4C1700370BD for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqb002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.212.197]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 59136E000085 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:30:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:30:48 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376602248; bh=4XEo0kvn2YWzAXqA76dWIr5kHSWVz5CKZRdqCw0+MeE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=btH9yj6N8ZLp8jlfPjmfBsre2yduyLkVxa+KvvIlroqgVxgCgeKwvbRUddnfjCFUQ 9InWHQU7+CMjf87Lhz/+7PXvHFkP4rw79+Xe0n5lI6qU0cHJO7WW7CKq0hyl/wq/WT ILatl4038NEWpSmUlvSznF2Y++eu0tQRTNj8UZ9c= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca520d48885b09 Subject: [Tigers] Geneerator pulley part number location Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, Several people have helped me with questions pertainnig to the generator. Question here is, the correct number for the generator is: C2OF-10130-A If the generator is on the car, can you see this number anywhere? If the generator is off the car, is it visible? Where? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE TAC 0763 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 15:54:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035C34044A for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDF640401 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:53:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r7FLrEn0011167; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:53:50 -0700 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189592) id dm0225.520b156a.383fc; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:53:39 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:53:33 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6Z/sGmr99WdW7VTLSqpdm/H3tW+gAAhKSw engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-15_09:2013-08-15,2013-08-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308150165 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Geneerator pulley part number location Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jim All Ford generators have a 10002 base part number. C2OF-10130-A is the single sheave pulley. I don't believe the pulley has any markings but there is about a dimes width of metal between the pulley fan blade and the pulley groove. The other available single sheave pulley has less metal there. The generator only has an ink stamped number which comes off too easily. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 5:31 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Geneerator pulley part number location Hello, Several people have helped me with questions pertainnig to the generator. Question here is, the correct number for the generator is: C2OF-10130-A If the generator is on the car, can you see this number anywhere? If the generator is off the car, is it visible? Where? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE TAC 0763 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6578 - Release Date: 08/14/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 16:37:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C5C4044A for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 16:37:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D47140401 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 16:37:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo110 ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130815223732.GBUT3849.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110> for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 18:37:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([174.65.74.95]) by fed1rmimpo110 with cox id DAdM1m00K23MPtJ01AdMqv; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 18:37:21 -0400 a=irsGRswMcvJBqFTVNdxvvw==:17 a=Dl52GskSTHcA:10 a=JRUXzsG-NDsA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=7Jk1Z3p95_AA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=tQJ1olgvI3ydd3FxQCkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=irsGRswMcvJBqFTVNdxvvw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:37:22 -0700 From: David Sosna User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130804 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mayf: So, you're going to go for the Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Dragster Wannabee? :-) Hope you'll keep us apprised on the SHO motor. Best Regards David On 08/15/2013 09:30 AM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > > And I have thought of stretching the wheel base for next time... 130 > inches vs 90 sure seems better for salt racing stability. > > > mayf > > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 16 20:30:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509154055B for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:30:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com [159.54.39.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C55F40536 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:30:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ent-mocexhub01.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.20.1.86]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-mocinrl08.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DC82D5E4B; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 22:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::5d98:601a:f044:d018]) by ent-mocexhub01.us.ad.gannett.com ([::1]) with mapi; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 22:29:58 -0400 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 22:29:52 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate Thread-Index: Ac6a8aoA1cVLXdNKQ1CNmZ9hDyBl5g== References: <520D022D.4000602@mayfco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Speed Freaks: I just returned from Bonneville and we found the courses to be well graded and smooth. We ran a total of twelve times but did stay away from Course 1 because it was slick and had cars spinning all week long. The return roads were not graded, but were pretty smooth. The SCTA-BNI did a great job of it, as usual. Jere Teepen Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2013, at 9:31 AM, "Larry Mayfield" wrote: > Ok, so a few weeks ago, I asked about alternative motors for the WFS > version 2014. I received a plethora of suggestions (don't you just love > that word!) and some ver pretty dang good. But, while surfing this > morning I remembered a motor that may fit the bill better and has some > performance parts support. That is the 1988 SHO V6 which produced good > power, over 200, and can be mounted longitudinally. It shares a bell > housing pattern with the Vulcan V6 motor. And is it just under 3 litres > displacement and conveniently uses the EEC IV efi system and it might be > cheaper than the national debt. It is a DOHC motor but with a 60 degree > bank angle so it will likely fit. And although it is a Yamaha, if comes > from Ford so falls in my list of druthers for Ford stuff. > > The trick now, is to find one that can be bought complete for a song or > at least a loud yodel. Anybody have a clue as to where I might start > looking for one or two of them? Might even turn out to be a good > transplant for either a Tiger or Alpine... Of course, a manual trans > version would be lovely also as I am tired of wrestling with my AOD > trans good as it is... it is large.... > > And I have thought of stretching the wheel base for next time... 130 > inches vs 90 sure seems better for salt racing stability. > > Went to the salt, Mon, Tues and yesterday for a look see. Salt is poor. > very bumpy, lots of soft spots and more spin outs in the day and a half > I was there that most of the meets I have been to combined! Lots of > broken motors and car parts. If it does not rain and smooth things out, > it will be a tough go. On a side note, my new F350 King Ranch Dually > tow truck was a marvel..once even hit 95 mph, ahem, passing a big > truck.... and still got 16.7 overall mpg up and back and around town.... > > shoot me considerations for the SHO motor, 1988 specific and a manual > trans set up for same.... > > mayf > > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jteepen@usatoday.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 08:17:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C6042710 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E51240E3F for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:17:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id dn14so3070967obc.26 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 07:17:39 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=9oNS0VRUeO55Zaw6CEQyij2RLAQYtksyAm8a6GtLBUc=; b=TpAvQfX4m3lrMsB/IZwi8J6jW98428dAzeK3n8qFdkbDvZVkV7nQnc+rzx32fuB29z A8kRbx5FVEQzNCowkpbdtdxILS5K7aO67TakUWqaBheS9Alc+WAe6pKpng5JfSC/3ROv /Vzbb0eJ2I7PP0w29vnGPrkVRKTO6IgK7dmLPzePh2Y9fLHcr/c2/PS/Wua+KmpICexO 75cL5lywxvLCyTaanuNSEiMKDI0O1ojArQWi/DtlgsE3pfuvSpRQj1+ugMb2Et7wzn/c tbZ7kcDbpIVTgpTmzatwI9TbxnlKs4ao+QyU+2sjPEZQaFEYE6b+aLDnkv+8oTNcQ/bB nfNA== Sat, 17 Aug 2013 07:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([8.28.240.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d3sm2636693oek.5.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 17 Aug 2013 07:17:37 -0700 (PDT) References: <520D022D.4000602@mayfco.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147D000E3@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> From: Cullen1972 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:17:34 -0500 To: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I believe there are three of those shoguns total, and one of the guys responsible for the prototype is a buddy of mine, lives around the corner for me here in Yukon ok. Local shelby enthusiast as well. I might be able to pick his brain about it a little. Let me see what he recalls. Cullen Sent from my iPhone. On Aug 15, 2013, at 2:45 PM, "michael@michaelshortt.com" wrote: > Jay Leno has one attached to a Transaxle in the back seat of a Ford > Festevia(sp), it was called a Shogun. Very Limited Production, looks a bit > like a Renault R5. > > Michael Shortt > On Aug 15, 2013 2:59 PM, "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" > wrote: > >> Ah, SHO Taurus, my green 1991 was the only car I have ever owned that was >> bought back under our state's Lemon Law. Great engine, everything attached >> to >> it was a POS. Be aware that the later automatic cars ('92 - on?) were 3.2 >> liter, you need to find a manual tranny version to stay under that magical >> 3.0 >> liter bogie. >> >> As a side note I bought a '96 SHO 3.4 liter V-8 engine, also a 60 degree >> layout, out of a low mileage junker several years ago to use as a potential >> engine swap into something small and Miata-like. Did not know at the time >> about the cam sprocket loosening issues, this engine had fallen victim and >> most of the valves were tweeked so it became a nice piece of scrap metal. >> It >> was a neat little engine, too bad. >> >> Here's a '89 SHO 3.0 liter in Vegas: >> >> http://www.automotix.net/usedengines/1989-ford-taurus-inventory.html?fit_note >> s=7a834fbaf84c4cf74707388f1af6a757&seq_num=3 >> >> And a Depends-load of '91 3.0 automatics around the country: >> >> http://www.automotix.net/usedengines/1991-ford-taurus-inventory.html?fit_note >> s=53018f94eded282c47f29ae44a6e472d&seq_num=2 >> >> Good hunting! >> >> Bugz >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On >> Behalf Of Larry Mayfield >> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 12:31 PM >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate >> >> Ok, so a few weeks ago, I asked about alternative motors for the WFS >> version >> 2014. I received a plethora of suggestions (don't you just love that >> word!) >> and some ver pretty dang good. But, while surfing this morning I >> remembered a >> motor that may fit the bill better and has some performance parts support. >> That is the 1988 SHO V6 which produced good power, over 200, and can be >> mounted longitudinally. It shares a bell housing pattern with the Vulcan >> V6 >> motor. And is it just under 3 litres displacement and conveniently uses the >> EEC IV efi system and it might be cheaper than the national debt. It is a >> DOHC motor but with a 60 degree bank angle so it will likely fit. And >> although >> it is a Yamaha, if comes from Ford so falls in my list of druthers for Ford >> stuff. >> >> The trick now, is to find one that can be bought complete for a song or at >> least a loud yodel. Anybody have a clue as to where I might start looking >> for >> one or two of them? Might even turn out to be a good transplant for >> either a >> Tiger or Alpine... Of course, a manual trans version would be lovely also >> as I >> am tired of wrestling with my AOD trans good as it is... it is large.... >> >> And I have thought of stretching the wheel base for next time... 130 >> inches vs >> 90 sure seems better for salt racing stability. >> >> Went to the salt, Mon, Tues and yesterday for a look see. Salt is poor. >> very bumpy, lots of soft spots and more spin outs in the day and a half I >> was >> there that most of the meets I have been to combined! Lots of broken motors >> and car parts. If it does not rain and smooth things out, it will be a >> tough >> go. On a side note, my new F350 King Ranch Dually tow truck was a >> marvel..once even hit 95 mph, ahem, passing a big truck.... and still got >> 16.7 overall mpg up and back and around town.... >> >> shoot me considerations for the SHO motor, 1988 specific and a manual trans >> set up for same.... >> >> mayf >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 09:40:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A745442716 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:40:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ivic0.sogetel.net (pop3.ivic.qc.ca [66.187.114.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBF4406A5 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:38:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ip160.125-126-74.sogetel.net ([74.126.125.160] helo=D7F0WHF1) by ivic0.sogetel.net with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VAiZr-0006fP-BD for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:38:07 -0400 From: "denis mercier" To: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:38:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Need help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi guys. I'm installing new soft top on my Tiger. There is excessive gap at bottom of door window to soft top frame. The hinge is not bent above the rivet. Is there is a spacer between the hinge and soft top frame to close the gap ? If someone has a photo of that i'l appreciate. Thanks ! Denis. B382000926LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 09:42:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCF24271F for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:42:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055A9406A5 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:42:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.175] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2013 15:42:53 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.238] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2013 15:42:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2013 15:42:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 52672 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2013 15:42:53 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376754173; bh=Hi771YSC7HA2QsaQtZEkT9PgpWXajNNvlt6xlTSdhYE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VPwyKIC+TrybiMbhWCCm+6ZY/KwcIzjfzfTp0QERTtH/COWsyckVAJJUFl0ZXWgoda192g4IgFqaETNY8TLfENDlr1FpC8ehauUrfr41bq55msw992DjGXxOFOOd3jDiQJRAEHqFp6ynRRrI80WNOqawJo1jj33sJFGtFoEZyq8= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1slUgQo1jZoJdK96+KsSVi7HeN5DOl3LMPMrKB8nYEydLOLPHmBfuslMxi1O/EhTx7NfYirudYnvcwALSHuhp9nPWjAEJ4kRVXPY9gFQwVbwRxTeBTxqp/fyhbLvEGOWUKEtRxvWdZmUYrfjAYP9Bm7IeYQYMtnWWxrNQG8YcyE=; G3UCFetvGIqqdqQoKSdntq5fg50dqdzdDhDio1gYJ8R9OE8.wHVbvitdp7v3 pBaHF70O5PegSAuWeWz1UbN2IlHJSkvO_vrkSEff5.9PIbH9e3yWOxEX4RnI q40MSJSkGXrstQPABpjD.vLt8OLqsm7ZS49WmPXLscoKszexgu7vP1rLpH2L 7H9lHDvMvnvOYrIRS4bs4B6fVnQNoFJAsIPxsLgKIdBZykFLv1StTLl5g7fd 3PzlnqaN7WbMgsFSpTD8wZR86uQ8V4eH9jxyH2TqojvTGjDvoxxWWU.C_.y_ DWEDweJibYlekamTSUFcaBit_cvdcGSZNnchpJrYRAUN9YEcHcLKNTllvFcH p6HPICgM2aPNupMdiRzZmXIWaRw4vYm4VbIYgpfLZBR_FP9IFiEN9UPHopst Rh8RBgttoXs3CygP7rvYgn.3_ZxO9cPMmKp9totoVCCtyhxeAGun5cvYpSaJ 11ShIG9OZ9IO8AOccMRUlO3lebydl_d2HrdNv7EGeOTaBdhxLCWLbqo3OO8D 8ZCUTbMPN2dvXLa7bJj4aXDeZxhkl9JgmnO79FAGW Received: from [98.208.172.68] by web185001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:42:53 PDT wqBIZWxsbywKwqAgwqAgV2Ugd2lsbCBiZSBoYXZpbmcgb3VyIG5leHQgVEFDIEV2ZW50IG9uIFNhdHVyZGF5IEF1Z3VzdCAyNHRoCnN0YXJ0aW5nIGF0IDExYW0gYXQgUmljaCBhbmQgTmFuY3kgSG9mZm1hbidzIGhvbWUgaW4gSnVwaXRlciBGbG9yaWRhLsKgIFRoZQphZGRyZXNzIGlzOgoxNzk2OSBCcmlkbGUgTGFuZQpKdXBpdGVyLCBGbG9yaWRhIDMzNDc4CsKgIMKgIElmIHlvdSBuZWVkCmFkZGl0aW9uYWwgaW5mb3JtYXRpb24sIHBsZWFzZSBjb250YWN0IG1lIGVpdGhlciBieSBlbWFpbCBvciBteSBjZWwBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:42:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul R Sheahan To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Florida TAC Event August 24th Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, We will be having our next TAC Event on Saturday August 24th starting at 11am at Rich and Nancy Hoffman's home in Jupiter Florida. The address is: 17969 Bridle Lane Jupiter, Florida 33478 If you need additional information, please contact me either by email or my cell phone at (704)564-3831. We look forward to seeing new TAC candidates or old friends. Paul Paul R Sheahan Senior TAC Inspector#23 (704)564-3831 Cell _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 09:43:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0F742726 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:43:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (fed1rmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0E4406A5 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:43:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130817154353.TWRO3894.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:43:53 -0400 Received: from laptop ([68.229.224.237]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id Drjs1m00b57wa9801rjtWC; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:43:53 -0400 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:17 a=JRUXzsG-NDsA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=7Jk1Z3p95_AA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=n2ibBdfIAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=-qm2xVxcIdxCsqdY0sIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=w0OZ4CfRH7AA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=awtiger@cox.net From: "Andy Walker" To: "'Cullen1972'" , References: <520D022D.4000602@mayfco.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147D000E3@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 10:43:49 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIzTtXGiBjYmJhJ7ZlzPd4Lcie+sQMCPUCOAlGCwFECmvPQLpiQq4bQ Content-Language: en-us Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Cullen, et al: The Shogun was a project that Rick Titus, son of former automotive journalist and Shelby team Trans-Am driver Jerry Titus, was heavily involved in. From what I remember, Rick got together with a group of investors and was going to build these cars for the retail market. They were indeed Ford Festivas on steroids; Taurus SHO engines and transaxles mounted in the rear of a heavily modified Festiva. What I can't remember is who dreamed up the conversion; I can't remember if it was Rick or someone else. At any rate, the cars really went like stink but, for whatever reason, the project just never got off the ground. I do remember Rick coming to the Mid-America Shelby Meet back then really excited about the project. Greg will be able to tell you what happened to it from that point. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen1972 Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:18 AM To: michael@michaelshortt.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate I believe there are three of those shoguns total, and one of the guys responsible for the prototype is a buddy of mine, lives around the corner for me here in Yukon ok. Local shelby enthusiast as well. I might be able to pick his brain about it a little. Let me see what he recalls. Cullen Sent from my iPhone. On Aug 15, 2013, at 2:45 PM, "michael@michaelshortt.com" wrote: > Jay Leno has one attached to a Transaxle in the back seat of a Ford > Festevia(sp), it was called a Shogun. Very Limited Production, looks a > bit like a Renault R5. > > Michael Shortt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 09:47:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF564270F for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:47:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (fed1rmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D12D426B9 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:47:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130817154725.UEUH3894.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:47:25 -0400 Received: from laptop ([68.229.224.237]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id DrnQ1m00W57wa9801rnRna; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:47:25 -0400 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=y3mokAXlbsEA:10 a=6hXaeeL9g8-Mm9BW700A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=DNVOIglhLNEA:10 a=eVK6fW9XFxwA:10 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=awtiger@cox.net From: "Andy Walker" To: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 10:47:21 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6bYKvmid/U8z7qQuGKa2xwCvXe+Q== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Monterrey auction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Guys: My father-in-law called last night to tell me that a Tiger had gone across the block at the Mecum Monterrey Auction on the Velocity Network and had sold for $62K. Unfortunately, I missed it. Does anyone know anything about that? Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 10:11:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E975A4271C for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 10:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53903426C3 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 10:08:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY172-DS14 ([65.54.190.187]) by bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:08:49 -0700 From: "Thomas Prager" To: "tigers_United_forum" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:08:38 -0500 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:08:38 -0500 FILETIME=[0F2C7610:01CE9B64] Subject: [Tigers] pictures of Mecum Tiger that sold for $62k Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=CA0813-161237&entryRow=73 8 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 12:21:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAE842715 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:21:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6793406A5 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:21:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id o17so3598178oag.35 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:21:11 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=+4qv+OfcMlw05D/0AfmDMvBcl0aRj5AkfFhMiRCBW24=; b=GPPAUIWnKiuk5RzKkPWXSITiX9zN2ZizvNuSmoYKAM5uMFpX0T2tSJEJIupOUmqJZ8 J1nYumurS9allDFBcfER+nQdzm8mGfDIntOpOdh+EUmWXCnat+R784oZ8QCt6ibu13uv kmx7GiNUQsO+bUI0vW1qM8yccTqkjDSJSVAH1KVnS5HJP2ZEh6zqPyfVVW59CoAW1SL1 zOyPwM/DHQ2Bs/xrtE57N3UK28Ev8RpYo75gydTktdpXgnlOLlEWNOLDaFocazF0M4O4 XuPj1DxmZJx0B8zeSLoK+2k5nMOQnhVc56P9X6Ka4A83pZdq+UhRnv0HwUXGkpS/+P9p 6lTA== da5mr4031673oeb.29.1376763671365; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([8.28.240.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id jz7sm3462898obb.4.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:21:10 -0700 (PDT) References: <520D022D.4000602@mayfco.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147D000E3@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> <001801ce9b60$9185e500$b491af00$@cox.net> From: Cullen McCann Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:21:04 -0500 To: Andy Walker Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Andy. Yes Greg and I have talked many times about the shogun project. I've also spoken to Rick Titus about it last time he was over here at my place. As you know Greg and Rick are tight friends. The way I was told, Greg was on the design team for the project. I'm just planning to ask Greg about anything related to the SHO motor that might provide support to Mayf's race car concept. Cullen Sent from my iPad On Aug 17, 2013, at 10:43 AM, "Andy Walker" wrote: > Cullen, et al: > > The Shogun was a project that Rick Titus, son of former automotive > journalist and Shelby team Trans-Am driver Jerry Titus, was heavily involved > in. From what I remember, Rick got together with a group of investors and > was going to build these cars for the retail market. They were indeed Ford > Festivas on steroids; Taurus SHO engines and transaxles mounted in the rear > of a heavily modified Festiva. What I can't remember is who dreamed up the > conversion; I can't remember if it was Rick or someone else. At any rate, > the cars really went like stink but, for whatever reason, the project just > never got off the ground. I do remember Rick coming to the Mid-America > Shelby Meet back then really excited about the project. Greg will be able > to tell you what happened to it from that point. > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > TAC #740 > > > Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Cullen1972 > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:18 AM > To: michael@michaelshortt.com > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate > > I believe there are three of those shoguns total, and one of the guys > responsible for the prototype is a buddy of mine, lives around the corner > for me here in Yukon ok. Local shelby enthusiast as well. I might be able to > pick his brain about it a little. Let me see what he recalls. > > Cullen > > > Sent from my iPhone. > > On Aug 15, 2013, at 2:45 PM, "michael@michaelshortt.com" > wrote: > >> Jay Leno has one attached to a Transaxle in the back seat of a Ford >> Festevia(sp), it was called a Shogun. Very Limited Production, looks a >> bit like a Renault R5. >> >> Michael Shortt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 12:35:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E75942708 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:35:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f42.google.com (mail-qa0-f42.google.com [209.85.216.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E7E426B9 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:34:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id bv4so1104301qab.1 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:34:57 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=4A2ILEoQSHdzI6Lsvfa1NpLjhn0+OKm2MUZD6nvbiXs=; b=gOiF+QyJMlHPaDvUNJ7pk6K8cOoiOcY+bm90LeN67PK/cW8q1tqcNi3ZH/rqWHmJbt qsMo1PWsFw3QBFEAKiBT3WEGjTugoc5wK+0mSO+1nIVSMFd2kYZM+Lfx0fJYBYuX5Dfp ndqL053ge4aepogfSFffwsayOWf5+MIs39ovPL0bhWvYxpNw+V41f5AzG2eiHgywUVDC sa//x1brEJAXJAmYutqoVgx0a/ESjJKKN8hX96/btKhY63yai+ooIHAiMbTXle2qwLyb JTUgxcS0BMwStilzZ8XPE3t+9yRIS2+cr+WnXMNhjlQT+3jXEMgROR8BcL3o9vBoPVac 2dGQ== in1mr1082464qcb.17.1376764497314; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.122.74 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:34:57 -0700 (PDT) References: <2B01110B70174DE38AF1C459AF4D77CC@D7F0WHF1> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 14:34:57 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: denis mercier Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Need help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dennis, is it possible the door is hung a bit low? I have maybe a 1/8 - 1/4" gap between the top of the wing window and the top frame rail on mine. This may or may not be "normal"... Tom '67 Mark 2. On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 11:38 AM, denis mercier wrote: > Hi guys. > I'm installing new soft top on my Tiger. There is excessive gap at bottom > of > door window to soft top frame. The hinge is not bent above the rivet. Is > there > is a spacer > between the hinge and soft top frame to close the gap ? > If someone has a photo of that i'l appreciate. > Thanks ! > Denis. > B382000926LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 18:41:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7806242737 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:41:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF80426B9 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:41:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r7I06Uke017197 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:41:11 -0700 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id sj1-dm103.520b15b9.770b0 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:41:11 -0700 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:41:05 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <520D022D.4000602@mayfco.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147D000E3@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> <001801ce9b60$9185e500$b491af00$@cox.net> engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-17_06:2013-08-16,2013-08-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308170212 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, guys, I started the thread here regards the use of the SHO motor in the Sunbeam race car. What does the Shogun car configuration have to do with that? If ya wanna chat about shoguns then please start a new thread so I can stop looking at irrelevant messages? mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 8/17/2013 11:21 AM, Cullen McCann wrote: > Thanks Andy. Yes Greg and I have talked many times about the shogun project. > I've also spoken to Rick Titus about it last time he was over here at my > place. As you know Greg and Rick are tight friends. The way I was told, Greg > was on the design team for the project. I'm just planning to ask Greg about > anything related to the SHO motor that might provide support to Mayf's race > car concept. > > Cullen > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 17, 2013, at 10:43 AM, "Andy Walker" wrote: > >> Cullen, et al: >> >> The Shogun was a project that Rick Titus, son of former automotive >> journalist and Shelby team Trans-Am driver Jerry Titus, was heavily > involved >> in. From what I remember, Rick got together with a group of investors and >> was going to build these cars for the retail market. They were indeed Ford >> Festivas on steroids; Taurus SHO engines and transaxles mounted in the rear >> of a heavily modified Festiva. What I can't remember is who dreamed up the >> conversion; I can't remember if it was Rick or someone else. At any rate, >> the cars really went like stink but, for whatever reason, the project just >> never got off the ground. I do remember Rick coming to the Mid-America >> Shelby Meet back then really excited about the project. Greg will be able >> to tell you what happened to it from that point. >> >> Andy Walker >> Edmond, OK >> B382001600LRXFE >> TAC #740 >> >> >> Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Cullen1972 >> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:18 AM >> To: michael@michaelshortt.com >> Cc: tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate >> >> I believe there are three of those shoguns total, and one of the guys >> responsible for the prototype is a buddy of mine, lives around the corner >> for me here in Yukon ok. Local shelby enthusiast as well. I might be able > to >> pick his brain about it a little. Let me see what he recalls. >> >> Cullen >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone. >> >> On Aug 15, 2013, at 2:45 PM, "michael@michaelshortt.com" >> wrote: >> >>> Jay Leno has one attached to a Transaxle in the back seat of a Ford >>> Festevia(sp), it was called a Shogun. Very Limited Production, looks a >>> bit like a Renault R5. >>> >>> Michael Shortt > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 18:54:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0724271F for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:54:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E294242709 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:47:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id qd12so5556386ieb.14 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:47:19 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=rNMwyTrvqjBpOBQWyLBe3jFxSGzJVEncSdTh7k2Uzoo=; b=AB6PZ3D9NkFhwockcia4+mwS9wZ6YGHsLYVQPoZaVXObZShpxhvmq5ZnyNhmZWgwew oA4QNVjiAEGDMTpUm9si4U9vUHoWPKR5n4EPZ8VC6fsZ+x9ZxpTwV/LTmZEx10PiLmcJ IC0QZXaFWmOKk9a5TqTxnbLqQhY4wmzvRydOCAx1c01SEPFckEk+YpST0UZtBf9EF2Gf NGzqx90w8vtZMbH+rqt2iQ08+tST1eKjXyYkGafgsGzbvw7KRowVuVMJndhsg8J75S0Y mE1pgh7clofu5ffuszfFA3hJF3VoSkR6VsNRp2p5oNaah50fSj8Qy90pT21W+6BS+vLM d+CA== oo10mr2485200igb.47.1376786839343; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.49.204.177] ([166.137.122.100]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ft2sm6525525igb.5.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:47:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <520D022D.4000602@mayfco.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147D000E3@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> <001801ce9b60$9185e500$b491af00$@cox.net> <52101821.3070805@mayfco.com> From: Cullen1972 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:47:08 -0500 To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Mayf, the shogun car uses a high performance modified SHO engine from the Taurus. That's how this discussion got started. I'm discussing this for the sole purpose of trying to help with your project. Ill let you know if I find out anything useful about sho motors. Cullen Sent from my iPhone. On Aug 17, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Ok, guys, I started the thread here regards the use of the SHO motor in the Sunbeam race car. What does the Shogun car configuration have to do with that? If ya wanna chat about shoguns then please start a new thread so I can stop looking at irrelevant messages? > > mayf > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > > On 8/17/2013 11:21 AM, Cullen McCann wrote: >> Thanks Andy. Yes Greg and I have talked many times about the shogun project. >> I've also spoken to Rick Titus about it last time he was over here at my >> place. As you know Greg and Rick are tight friends. The way I was told, Greg >> was on the design team for the project. I'm just planning to ask Greg about >> anything related to the SHO motor that might provide support to Mayf's race >> car concept. >> >> Cullen >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 17, 2013, at 10:43 AM, "Andy Walker" wrote: >> >>> Cullen, et al: >>> >>> The Shogun was a project that Rick Titus, son of former automotive >>> journalist and Shelby team Trans-Am driver Jerry Titus, was heavily >> involved >>> in. From what I remember, Rick got together with a group of investors and >>> was going to build these cars for the retail market. They were indeed Ford >>> Festivas on steroids; Taurus SHO engines and transaxles mounted in the rear >>> of a heavily modified Festiva. What I can't remember is who dreamed up the >>> conversion; I can't remember if it was Rick or someone else. At any rate, >>> the cars really went like stink but, for whatever reason, the project just >>> never got off the ground. I do remember Rick coming to the Mid-America >>> Shelby Meet back then really excited about the project. Greg will be able >>> to tell you what happened to it from that point. >>> >>> Andy Walker >>> Edmond, OK >>> B382001600LRXFE >>> TAC #740 >>> >>> >>> Original Message----- >>> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >>> On Behalf Of Cullen1972 >>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:18 AM >>> To: michael@michaelshortt.com >>> Cc: tigers@autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2014 Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Motor Candidate >>> >>> I believe there are three of those shoguns total, and one of the guys >>> responsible for the prototype is a buddy of mine, lives around the corner >>> for me here in Yukon ok. Local shelby enthusiast as well. I might be able >> to >>> pick his brain about it a little. Let me see what he recalls. >>> >>> Cullen >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone. >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2013, at 2:45 PM, "michael@michaelshortt.com" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Jay Leno has one attached to a Transaxle in the back seat of a Ford >>>> Festevia(sp), it was called a Shogun. Very Limited Production, looks a >>>> bit like a Renault R5. >>>> >>>> Michael Shortt >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 05:50:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7219742712 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 05:50:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f47.google.com (mail-qa0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A0C40523 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 05:46:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id o19so1317142qap.13 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:46:47 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=BU1wnk/7aI1KiMdIFmNTr3aK6TeBnka2QpXTCZ+xCqk=; b=RicywNww+f6SiG30EUR69DfkrCFmjOnFshuclcpjSM2IFH97e/bgbWKemfe8mkwq3r g0wKPGNMmGwM72xiRRO0dyMxnOVI5oy7Eha7xaKmHWtbgdQYWHM7GV22dkPmdXBubvI7 3Cl+2BQHJy1vxj4RZYzD7RDKYo4VQrFyhS3LdqA4sKfAfUdBhsMrxeQkf+kuMMjgI0nm S8Rlgy1NS6FSiLDTM94yCZ7E9ndppN7JaF9ql1yTEI9ZG71hNOlMeuqIoVXnv9a/wFSm oS3w8J/xUg3j6uyrjl2O5PyvWL4F3YFiP84CftL3Frqv/JpCVp3UO/KxMU7pyAgwFOdA E/rw== Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.122.74 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:46:47 -0700 (PDT) References: <2B01110B70174DE38AF1C459AF4D77CC@D7F0WHF1> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:46:47 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: Ross Hulse Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Bulk] Re: Need help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ross, In my case the passenger side triangle window is too low below the top frame. I don't see a way to adjust it up; the front channel is part of the window, and can be adjusted in or out. As to the actual window there's probably a stop. One of the experts can tell us where, and how to adjust it. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Ross Hulse wrote: > Tom, > > I gather you mean the part of the window at the rear of the glass closest > to the convertible top (sorry bonnet for the inane). I have the same > problem with my restoration. I have disassembled the car for a rotisserie > restoration. I believe will have to disassemble the doors and play with > the positioning the window channels adjusting the windows in the lifters > and finally adjusting the windscreen to the new window positions. > The part of the bonnet frame that is away from the window can be bent to > close the gap as well the frame will have to come off the bonnet hinges > (the funny L shaped gadget) for this to be accomplished. > > I will let you know how I fair. > > Any other hints out there? These cars are not exactly precision made. > > Commodore Blues > > > On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Tom Parker wrote: > >> Dennis, is it possible the door is hung a bit low? I have maybe a 1/8 - >> 1/4" gap between the top of the wing window and the top frame rail on >> mine. >> This may or may not be "normal"... >> >> Tom >> '67 Mark 2. >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 11:38 AM, denis mercier > >wrote: >> >> > Hi guys. >> > I'm installing new soft top on my Tiger. There is excessive gap at >> bottom >> > of >> > door window to soft top frame. The hinge is not bent above the rivet. Is >> > there >> > is a spacer >> > between the hinge and soft top frame to close the gap ? >> > If someone has a photo of that i'l appreciate. >> > Thanks ! >> > Denis. >> > B382000926LRXFE >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > tigers@autox.team.net >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 07:57:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C398B403C5 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:57:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A864840397 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:57:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2013 13:57:42 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.30] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2013 13:57:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2013 13:57:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376834262; bh=Bu59GzjJHgn1cXE7rMND1j+AQjrYlL6yqhKJMZq62JA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PyaABGNgkJn9HOD4g/8pPvDxkpgBbVZTtmCnuLsiEQWrDhhQx+TGY562+Mc0dlGIAabyAWmU1p+dd1WKNQITkg9Kt5RMl6UHZyV3T/lSgJtX3263xL1yaljyRmZESUgSLc0YTM6IeEnsrhu20yWTkf9NtJPZElDubRw/bOqc4hM= EKsSgUyqJ53BuaiUxPpjqkwvtqdV6ctvejZRz1f.ByWIKGmrclmL9AZd0qRc qzCTQVyGESrbFqEoNIs2e6N7iEMTcLCQL4MEZLsAui0HVpqE3vbQyu8NtkUI NJ_yaBjICW4HFWU_o4H9QTjckAzF2OuMHI8ZtfLjigWSC_LEK.Q2Ds1dO8_U VcW787sZ_Lwa3g.LedzOab5ELjcFTVXTs2yaTegV_IJV5p1IL7LcDKvtxCYU zsP9Mhj6z6b4WcAOjxOyn_I3slfeq2wWFj.ta2wHeIM1PfSZTXEk2RD8yaXw edoa7jG3OtdkqUeUPJSi8HZH3G74Y.aFcZQUPunU0pMmDXpkcnct0_EvRVyH FUgpJnWLRMMlb9uWBgbsbdhZTN9jSVHf6iqkNkOTpdNqqyHXKRot5hXcfFKO _gmTjHZ2VWXH9NYy3aPFtMcZq2R0vULB01CDclwrZ0yMNKviDY2b8I1zZlrj OyAtq1St1KxmpTBnd_ninU6gEtOkhY0U4tPERB5zT6g0oYCoQZ.nTI7KapLg fLbvXfO6YcPa.TH00ZOVbYE4McaglLSuoZI5dvy8- smtp201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2013 06:57:42 -0700 PDT Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:57:56 -0500 From: TtT To: Tom Parker , Ross Hulse Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Bulk] Re: Need help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Are you sure that all rubber seals are installed? I'm not zeroed in on the exact problem but the seals take up lot's of the gaps that you mentioned. Good LUCK! !!! Sent from Huawei Mobile Tom Parker wrote: >Ross, In my case the passenger side triangle window is too low below the >top frame. I don't see a way to adjust it up; the front channel is part of >the window, and can be adjusted in or out. As to the actual window there's >probably a stop. One of the experts can tell us where, and how to adjust it. > >Tom >'67 Mark 2 > > >On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Ross Hulse wrote: > >> Tom, >> >> I gather you mean the part of the window at the rear of the glass closest >> to the convertible top (sorry bonnet for the inane). I have the same >> problem with my restoration. I have disassembled the car for a rotisserie >> restoration. I believe will have to disassemble the doors and play with >> the positioning the window channels adjusting the windows in the lifters >> and finally adjusting the windscreen to the new window positions. >> The part of the bonnet frame that is away from the window can be bent to >> close the gap as well the frame will have to come off the bonnet hinges >> (the funny L shaped gadget) for this to be accomplished. >> >> I will let you know how I fair. >> >> Any other hints out there? These cars are not exactly precision made. >> >> Commodore Blues >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Tom Parker wrote: >> >>> Dennis, is it possible the door is hung a bit low? I have maybe a 1/8 - >>> 1/4" gap between the top of the wing window and the top frame rail on >>> mine. >>> This may or may not be "normal"... >>> >>> Tom >>> '67 Mark 2. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 11:38 AM, denis mercier >> >wrote: >>> >>> > Hi guys. >>> > I'm installing new soft top on my Tiger. There is excessive gap at >>> bottom >>> > of >>> > door window to soft top frame. The hinge is not bent above the rivet. Is >>> > there >>> > is a spacer >>> > between the hinge and soft top frame to close the gap ? >>> > If someone has a photo of that i'l appreciate. >>> > Thanks ! >>> > Denis. >>> > B382000926LRXFE >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > >>> > tigers@autox.team.net >>> > >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> > Unsubscribe: >>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers@autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 04:48:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BAD403D9 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 04:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ivic0.sogetel.net (pop3.ivic.qc.ca [66.187.114.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F157A403B9 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 04:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ip160.125-126-74.sogetel.net ([74.126.125.160] helo=D7F0WHF1) by ivic0.sogetel.net with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VBMza-0005TB-KU for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 06:47:22 -0400 From: "denis mercier" To: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 06:47:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Gear set Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi guys ! Yesterday it was a beautiful day her in Quebec and i used my Tiger for the first time this summer to make a ride. Each time i use my Tiger i would like to have an overdrive. Is it possible to use a top loader transmission gear ratio like first 2.90 second 1.93 third 1.36 top.85 When i'l restored my Tiger i'l put a wide ratio gear set on it and differential is standard 2.88 Thanks! Denis B382000926LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 07:14:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3714271F for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B828D403B9 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:12:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r7JDAUEr016213; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 06:12:49 -0700 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4348622f) id dm0213.520b1585.9d771; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 06:12:47 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.149.212]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 13:12:40 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'denis mercier'" , Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:12:37 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6cyYtQZCzdhkAWTRK+CMuGM5MuZwAEddMg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-19_02:2013-08-19,2013-08-19,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308190059 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gear set Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Denis Ford made an RUG toploader overdrive transmission back in 1977 for the Granada and others. Not sure how long that transmission was produced. I don't know if it will fit the Tiger. I have seen articles where the overdrive transmission parts were installed into an early toploader transmission but this could be a very big job to accomplish. I don't know. I'm not sure you would like the gears in the RUG transmission either; it seems to me there was a very large gap between each gear. Maybe someone on the List has investigated the RUG transmission in more detail. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of denis mercier Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 6:47 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Gear set Hi guys ! Yesterday it was a beautiful day her in Quebec and i used my Tiger for the first time this summer to make a ride. Each time i use my Tiger i would like to have an overdrive. Is it possible to use a top loader transmission gear ratio like first 2.90 second 1.93 third 1.36 top.85 When i'l restored my Tiger i'l put a wide ratio gear set on it and differential is standard 2.88 Thanks! Denis B382000926LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 09:34:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95C6403C8 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from out02.mta.xmission.com (out02.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6D340396 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:34:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx01.mta.xmission.com ([166.70.13.211]) by out02.mta.xmission.com with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1VBRTA-0002d6-RT; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:34:12 -0600 Received: from mta1.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.65]) by mx01.mta.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1VBRTA-0005rm-L1; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:34:12 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta1.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0041680C0; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta1.zcs.xmission.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta1.zcs.xmission.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id UEzH0hVHOpyy; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta1.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DA81680C1; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta1.zcs.xmission.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta1.zcs.xmission.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 9A7I9lOlCaQ9; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:34:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LynnPC (c-76-23-31-210.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [76.23.31.210]) by mta1.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id ACD181680CE; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:34:11 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lynn" To: "'Tom Parker'" , "'Ross Hulse'" References: <2B01110B70174DE38AF1C459AF4D77CC@D7F0WHF1> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:34:00 -0600 Thread-Index: AQINoL/cnoUBakjagu/wIkaRqFLmWgI4LBqgArWw8MMCd7eqLpjjbBWA Content-Language: en-us to false Cc: 'LIST TIGER' Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Bulk] Re: Need help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ross, I have the same issue. The problem does not lie in your door or top but rather the front window frame. As it was explained to me, and it makes sense when I look at it, when the cars are disassembled for restoration the rubber that holds the windshield frame to the body has basically become like glue. The person doing the disassembly typically grabs the top of the window frame and rolls it toward the front of the car and to brake the grip and bends the frame making it taller in the middle. Sometimes they forget about the two bolts that hold the frame on each end and this makes it worse. The best way to fix it is to take the windshield out and try to restore the frame to the original dimensions. Be advised that this will cause the top to "move forward" so hopefully you have not mounted the screws in the rear. If so, hopefully you have room to remount them. I hope this makes sense. This was explained to me from Dale A. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Parker Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:47 AM To: Ross Hulse Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Bulk] Re: Need help Ross, In my case the passenger side triangle window is too low below the top frame. I don't see a way to adjust it up; the front channel is part of the window, and can be adjusted in or out. As to the actual window there's probably a stop. One of the experts can tell us where, and how to adjust it. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Ross Hulse wrote: > Tom, > > I gather you mean the part of the window at the rear of the glass > closest to the convertible top (sorry bonnet for the inane). I have > the same problem with my restoration. I have disassembled the car for > a rotisserie restoration. I believe will have to disassemble the > doors and play with the positioning the window channels adjusting the > windows in the lifters and finally adjusting the windscreen to the new window positions. > The part of the bonnet frame that is away from the window can be bent > to close the gap as well the frame will have to come off the bonnet > hinges (the funny L shaped gadget) for this to be accomplished. > > I will let you know how I fair. > > Any other hints out there? These cars are not exactly precision made. > > Commodore Blues > > > On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Tom Parker wrote: > >> Dennis, is it possible the door is hung a bit low? I have maybe a 1/8 >> - 1/4" gap between the top of the wing window and the top frame rail >> on mine. >> This may or may not be "normal"... >> >> Tom >> '67 Mark 2. >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 11:38 AM, denis mercier >> > >wrote: >> >> > Hi guys. >> > I'm installing new soft top on my Tiger. There is excessive gap at >> bottom >> > of >> > door window to soft top frame. The hinge is not bent above the >> > rivet. Is there is a spacer between the hinge and soft top frame to >> > close the gap ? >> > If someone has a photo of that i'l appreciate. >> > Thanks ! >> > Denis. >> > B382000926LRXFE >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > tigers@autox.team.net >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 10:51:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6032140557 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 10:51:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F804032A for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 10:50:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [173.58.135.61]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MRS006NCESBL7T1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:50:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:50:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gear set Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Denis, As Ron stated there is a 4 speed overdrive that was used in the 1970's Granada and I believe some of the Ford Mustang/Capri and trucks. This link will tell you much you need to know about them. http://www.5speeds.com/toploader.html. Take note of the differences/limitations. An issue with this transmission is the large gap between 2nd and 3rd gear. What I have always found interesting is what is listed as "Jeep ratio #3". While not an overdrive, it is a somewhat "wide-er" ratio toploader - but still having even ratio spacing. Using taller tires with the 3.01 first gear could effectively make the 1:1 fourth gear equivalent to perhaps a .85 or so overdrive while coming close to the equivalent 2.78 of the wide ratio standard toploader. Just remember changing tire diameter is also equal to changing transmission or rear end ratios. All THREE need to be considered a package factored around the intended use of the car and its torque curve. Tom > Hi guys ! > Yesterday it was a beautiful day her in Quebec and i used my Tiger for the > first time this summer to make a ride. Each time i use my Tiger i would > like > to have an overdrive. > Is it possible to use a top loader transmission gear ratio like first 2.90 > second 1.93 third 1.36 top.85 When i'l restored my Tiger i'l put a wide > ratio > gear set on it > and differential is standard 2.88 > Thanks! > Denis > B382000926LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 13:40:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB72403DB for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 13:40:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ivic0.sogetel.net (pop3.ivic.qc.ca [66.187.114.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF0D40333 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 13:34:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ip160.125-126-74.sogetel.net ([74.126.125.160] helo=D7F0WHF1) by ivic0.sogetel.net with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VBVDZ-0005Pi-Vo; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:34:22 -0400 From: "denis mercier" To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:34:23 -0400 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net MessageHi Ron. I made a modification on the hinge who move the soft top down and up. I slightly heat and bent the face who come in contact with the soft top frame and everything fit well. Also i thing i can adjust the side window back to close the gap from side window to soft top post rubber seal. For the transmission gear ratio i thing the best deal is to fit a 5 speed, but it's expensive. It's cost effective for peoples who use there cars often. Denis. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Fraser To: 'denis mercier' Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 2:31 PM Subject: RE: Tiger Denis Not sure how much I can help here. I have the hardtop on and I don't remember how well the soft top fit. It appears that when you took the bolt out that the pivot arm moved forward. Is that correct? If so then the soft top fabric is restricting the pivot and the vertical gray part from getting to its correct forward position. You would need to loosen all the screws along the back that hold the soft top fabric to free the pivot arm or maybe just the vertical fabric. You might be able to remove all the fabric up the vertical post and accomplish the same - not sure. Maybe just the vertical fabric can be adjusted to let the pivot move all the way forward. I would also check for any broken welds up by the bows. I measured around .39 inches from the back edge of the glass to the front edge of the chrome finisher on my Tiger Mk IA. Ron -----Original Message----- From: denis mercier [mailto:denismercier@telvic.net] Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:58 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: Dave Munroe Subject: Fw: Tiger When i unscreew the bolt look the space at botom of support. I'l heat with torch to bent slightly the face of support and the soft top frame is at the right place. ----- Original Message ----- From: Denis Mercier To: denismercier@telvic.net Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:38 PM Subject: Tiger _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 14:26:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2766540432 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:26:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.ufl.edu (smtp-prod04.osg.ufl.edu [128.227.74.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869C440324 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:25:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from UFEXCH-CASHT01.ad.ufl.edu ([10.241.106.145]) by smtp.ufl.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/3.0.0) with ESMTP id r7JKPfF3005716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:25:42 -0400 Received: from AHC-CAS01.ad.ufl.edu (10.18.251.58) by UFEXCH-CASHT01.ad.ufl.edu (10.241.106.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.123.3; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:25:41 -0400 Received: from AHC-MB04.ad.ufl.edu ([fe80::9cf9:a9b0:5cb2:e988]) by AHC-CAS01.ad.ufl.edu ([fe80::10b4:62c8:e820:af8b%22]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:25:41 -0400 From: "Bates,Robert E Jr" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: weather strip Thread-Index: Ac6dGguaADKdoh8uSPWMy1H8Zr4tvA== Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:25:40 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.241.106.145] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.3176-7.000.1014-20092.002 x-tm-as-result: No--40.142000-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-19_05:2013-08-19,2013-08-19,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308190114 Subject: [Tigers] weather strip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello - I am reassembling my 1966 Tiger after a full restoration, and am a little confused about the weather strip that is between the windshield drip molding and the door vent window. Is it just glued to the drip molding? How is it orientated? I'm sure it will be obvious once I'm done, but confusing now. Pictures of the installed weather strip would be appreciated. Please send to edu> Thanks. Bob _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 18:40:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D7D403DF for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:40:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f177.google.com (mail-qc0-f177.google.com [209.85.216.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE6D403C8 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:39:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id e1so762177qcx.22 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:39:42 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=tniyoiytqzcy+UuGzoXDCqonsNC0ASFmyTuYhpr0rcA=; b=mC05lj2z3VrHtzlzgi80vck9rQFecNTnRCUDQlzK+voGfBNbXVSmKCDKObZPxecM/3 wS3Ip6a+BwZvy76eOeLAPSzN49A6qaE1a+RSILgAUgli1gJrPR/QmXjtLfQ5Wwz3rGhs RutN23wj5SF9XAy4MJd/2QtHP7ct/sT0NVFgDAdEmA2wrGcqLfBtoRT5i/MOXnKwl9OC vvwuzmvwD7RjhDzzYTs1J5fk8i3BfkrZ7hsXMApSMnhWHhDx91brNi2uWYmeOgeCngDX Uw0ABs4/FMsg9PlMwI3mqOQ7Y8e5rCTqw4WlPMn+gthpktGm9GZb8w2SDPRoXSuJuyxC b05w== a4mr18581550qeh.21.1376959182754; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.122.74 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:39:42 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:39:42 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: "Bates,Robert E Jr" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] weather strip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Robert, The rubber weather strip on my car is screwed to the drip molding from the outside, and the drip molding is riveted to the windshield frame. I probably have the old pictures on a cd somewhere, but they're not with me in Florida; I remember it was somewhat confusing to figure out which were rivet holes and which were screw holes; I think the rubber seals determined which were which. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Bates,Robert E Jr wrote: > Hello - I am reassembling my 1966 Tiger after a full restoration, and am a > little confused about the weather strip that is between the windshield drip > molding and the door vent window. Is it just glued to the drip molding? > How > is it orientated? I'm sure it will be obvious once I'm done, but confusing > now. > > > > Pictures of the installed weather strip would be appreciated. Please send > to > rbates@dental.ufl. > edu> > > > > Thanks. Bob > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 18:53:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11DB42709 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:53:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFCC403DF for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:52:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id oz10so3594536veb.31 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:52:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=iT2GbFyk0N4G7uH6mGgFK1J4IrYKB0DNJ+L6mkxdCio=; b=yBZC/nE7IbkvOhqPRkvWJe5w+sf2qZWJtK2Jl6Z/CPU16m4EiMmn2YxMOawz1LbRrS 1fAmurEYMXB93mbhELW9uPlwYk8Hru1Zz1gj6cwP+R2X1WnupWY/LYo2HVURjbAv/k0G nnHZiZH6AGPY96BDcy1S9e51qXkJqqK9wUKMO2LFMiW+HCDJGih4KRNr48B1GNddmS+R kROvHVE91VSI+ha7W1CRRlDdNw9z1CGruf8LleW05WLCZ3cQOJjuuOSmQb2qB+/mwNIx C/p3j6gsRc6v0mNSCTAmqmpy4tJfzgaE8Q+LRBMX/BVGtyQpA/JGfxUr0zLoRSrNPZrz TKkA== kp16mr15873140vcb.4.1376959960027; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.19.71 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:52:39 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:52:39 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Tom Parker Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" , "Bates, Robert E Jr" Subject: Re: [Tigers] weather strip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At least on the one I bought from SS years ago, it matched the original with the metal strip inside the rubber having holes in it for the screw to go through. However, the rubber itself did not have a hole. So, you had to puncture a hole to get the screw through - matching where you holes on your frame were, and make the hole just enough to get the screw head through. The hole would then close over the screw head. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Tom Parker wrote: > Robert, > > The rubber weather strip on my car is screwed to the drip molding from the > outside, and the drip molding is riveted to the windshield frame. I > probably have the old pictures on a cd somewhere, but they're not with me > in Florida; I remember it was somewhat confusing to figure out which were > rivet holes and which were screw holes; I think the rubber seals determined > which were which. > > Tom > '67 Mark 2 > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Bates,Robert E Jr >wrote: > > > Hello - I am reassembling my 1966 Tiger after a full restoration, and am > a > > little confused about the weather strip that is between the windshield > drip > > molding and the door vent window. Is it just glued to the drip molding? > > How > > is it orientated? I'm sure it will be obvious once I'm done, but > confusing > > now. > > > > > > > > Pictures of the installed weather strip would be appreciated. Please > send > > to > > rbates@dental.ufl. > > edu> > > > > > > > > Thanks. Bob > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 20 12:16:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C2D40450 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 12:16:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4402403EA for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 12:14:38 -0600 (MDT) a=JAY1dAhf1mjzVITC+/sjcQ==:17 a=fERs1dMV8CEA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=tsZ9plund6IA:10 a=VyNrCHAEAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=76gHusYoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=rEuKILsHK2k-RcrnkecA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=_7THQDfcAaQA:10 a=RATq125WjZ8A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=JAY1dAhf1mjzVITC+/sjcQ==:117 Received: from [75.190.185.180] ([75.190.185.180:3991] helo=D32K5JC1) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3E/FD-21526-D02B3125; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:14:37 +0000 From: "Sigma Engineering" To: References: <3EDC3FD6F38444759FED057D523005A3@sbrennanPC> <520941F9.3060300@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:14:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] LED Brake Lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net LED brake update.... I purchase my bulbs & electronic flasher from superbrightleds.com The bulbs installed simple enough. The old lucas FL5 flasher would not cycle, but i had bought the electronic flasher anyway since the lucas unit was acting up at times. The new electronic flasher fit the socket , but the terminals were in a different orientation from the Lucas unit. A quick swap of the spade lugs in the 3-prong socket & everything worked as expected. I think the total cost was under $35 & that even included a brake light for my '76 BMW R90/6 plus a spare. I feel much better about my upcoming road trip in a couple of weeks. chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Haugland" To: "Sigma Engineering" Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] LED Brake Lights > The easiest is to buy LED bulb replacements coloured to match the lens > (e.g. red for the brake lamp). With white LEDs the brake lamps illuminate > with more of a pinkish glow. With a separate turn lamp bulb there is no > need to mess with the turn signal flasher or any of the issues inherent in > the combined brake lamp/turn signal systems if all you want is brighter > brake lamps. If you choose to replace the rear turn lamp bulbs, you will > also need to replace the original thermal flasher unit with an electronic > version rated for use with LEDs. I've used the Tridon EP34 to replace > Lucas 3 prong flashers when installing LEDs with no problems. > > I've bought LED bulbs from ledlight.com and superbrightleds.com. Both > carry a range of choices for 1156/1157 style bulbs as well as instrument > lamp bulbs etc. > > --Alex Haugland > > On 8/11/2013 1:57 PM, Sigma Engineering wrote: >> Hi group, >> What is the easiest/best/cheapest way to change over to LED brake lights? >> Thanks in Advance, >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ahauglan@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 20 20:58:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8379F42741 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 20:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62F240402 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 20:47:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 02:47:04 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.161] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 02:47:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1072.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 02:47:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 51682 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2013 02:47:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377053224; bh=QHXqe1WRE4KpqHCv8L10NnaLkulAPJpOwfFBjPTIRmU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WT8dcxGMlvh4EHNNNW0FA1s283Vz0rWKh3Cc+YAF5DnuCh4pp3sH/lWx2mZuvwJ6uesFEbfYwI5n5ZNT6IaYnN1LxXgKNUhbdOyZ6NRvswpoHoYWjMywYfAkdUSqVsIdVAAkVEWT+aKO+0ef94mTfqxWdojEc6fJDSYOJseyS1M= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=doT+BRfaQoTszFrVWmAiUGNXIouTxUAdPHtKEREri9qbgbNP8cQyIW13+MjGqPqHPL63/Sn2QbLPTxQpq9IIbMaDJcNAdyZKvXVH5IrDHJJew7oR2mie5AZDgDOVT/pfmSG6S0RLVCGyg8hENXVoxJRqBv3zlPbGNSsFupG/lKs=; K04ZYHGHnsL_1HjBT08_8ZE_jmsCGQIUKbgsKYp.px4rCINuYZoPj38LX22R SZk0h4lqIFyGH8lliB7Nx5SWl.rH53HHBHMZIX8vQhifth1bhgI23U1oerUN pu4QHUFj4ASB9U0Am9XOrOYCxTNA25NaKhFuDDrK.Vgp1g61_2r7.9qDwL_r u5_dfwgWfpTlZr6Cq.eJLdMulooujTGfW7npV9Ultpqu74axzwupSYLJj52B X1xL4XPiJE7B1vkjK9VgRqyRavoliQnVcfF7rIrAP.ZmrGl.E0jeZ4LtHFAT j1mWxqpqePDZB38BTo61br1Z4pZHYxRYMPST0QhE2pBZZLl2J7lI7flOPcTr QeJEgtCN9KUO8X8fjzZ.ICd_1TOkqwwpCe_NN5XXGe65o5w3jb6FuJ6vb.B_ ib2sBKgeT6RUs8IJUAWN66tBbRGpewYJiPcMyl.hp1KLSh8xDtASyPbFNxKY zLCl6kR061TmGvtdhQk7Jg7vX6tZOjFUp2eT7p42Ng7.xl66n2XA0VqyBlt. ljCFJFBDoxgwslIYH2Q-- Received: from [97.93.177.222] by web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:47:03 PDT QSBmcmllbmQgaXMgbG9va2luZyBhdCB0aGUgYWJvdmUgY2FyLiBJJ20gbm90IGEgYmlnIGFkdm9jYXRlIG9mIHRoZSBjb250aW51YXRpb24gQ29icmFzIG92ZXIgb3RoZXIgdG9wIHF1YWxpdHkgcmVwbGljYXMsIGJ1dCBpbnRlcmVzdGVkIHRvIGhlYXIgb3RoZXIgb3BpbmlvbnMgb24gaG93IHRoZXkgc3RhY2sgdXAgZnJvbSBhbiBpbnZlc3RtZW50IHBlcnNwZWN0aXZlIGFuZCBmcm9tIGEgYnV5IGl0IGZvciB0aGUgZnVuIG9mIGRyaXZpbmcgaXQuCgpPZiBjb3Vyc2Ugd2UgYWxsIGtub3cgYSBUaWdlciBpcyABMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:47:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Waybright To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] CSX 4103 continuation Cobra Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A friend is looking at the above car. I'm not a big advocate of the continuation Cobras over other top quality replicas, but interested to hear other opinions on how they stack up from an investment perspective and from a buy it for the fun of driving it. Of course we all know a Tiger is a better option, but he's not interested in that path. ;) Stephen Waybright _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 20 22:18:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CDCA40413 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:18:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3683C403FB for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:14:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id dn14so2204791obc.40 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:14:03 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=subject:from:content-type:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=1DQK197ucyL8pbFFujyJiLYSOerE8bKuOnJSridnDK8=; b=d3rKQ7zLovM6hkmjNM4Q1MJi/etL1RdVXsXvQrWzd3XMGS1u/7OcO3zoru6Zhuqqku yJBimv9yDBFbf3RvS24ZEDBBaxKtJplOy0q42MhfulWjkI27vBQuk0Jd9PuZ0WELlkhW pCyPs/htUlXCOliuO6t7ABjUui8QnpAohB154ywsdjeVORjkTIqkriTnA75sPLlbj5FY cJdhnrk2Vra8uMyV7EmPSzffIRB2hcCEdD++q5tu+SdaZbxAJm3f3jI/U5Zsx/n77mm4 SE51lAR+D2G34U2vLGm4GiLSyfx1uzSfNciSAhGdrlPlKgQS+Nuh0oSRjKZFrB1YDlRT 0gVw== Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.119.85.28] (mobile-166-147-082-247.mycingular.net. [166.147.82.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d3sm7430334oek.5.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:14:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Haugland Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:21:18 -0700 To: tiger list Subject: [Tigers] Correct/most original soft top material for an early Mark 1 Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello! I'm actively restoring a pretty original early mark 1 Tiger (B9470334LRXFE) and want to bring it back to as close to original condition as is reasonable for a car I intend to actually drive. As the car is in need of a complete repainting, I'm planning the teardown and gathering the pieces that need to be replaced for when I start putting it back together. To that end, the top on the car is a replacement in pinpoint vinyl which has some tears and other issues leading it to needing to be replaced. To that end, I've seen different sites listing conflicting or at least unclear information as to what material is closest to the original. I'm not sure if it should be a pinpoint vinyl or a crushed grain vinyl. The Everflex at least has the grey interior, but I don't know if its texture is at all correct and would appreciate whatever guidance all of you can give. Thank you very much! --Alex Haugland _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 05:42:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CEC42770 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 05:42:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm42-vm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm42-vm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.191]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2EB403D3 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 05:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.171] by nm42.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 11:38:17 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.242] by tm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 11:38:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1051.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 11:38:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 14450 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2013 11:38:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377085097; bh=xPhheIffaLzILFquDXHyDrexmeqvx/RI2hnfO5dEA0o=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pO7IwyFm4xZdRB1Ret1HD5pgLUHsTPU68I+4un89nFFK0MiTWAvo3yP1PHoQnw5d4Dc0MTwqKb/0ak5cTcBF1OBT/7QA/v7Mgcxb6KckyJzdTY2lHagWe9xvzRXhjq+vVSJKYn+xa4T6HVwp6FVHuBo4D5cAsmG6JRjtyMCfcSs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tZJpEllMsii7uR5kOviCObb/xF4A9wQbNnI1aB4U+ew30V/BBqE5gY7t/4+ezl86WFgBQtaOXYcroTBUD8pORxKdWGNZv9eA1j5CcQFhOE34Y4b/t+ySP/5H+GS833XdiR5zrXlwDVmONB7dVYzbh6KPurkCbcQ81zVs4x2Fe3I=; tkb_wo247q7.6PDifrutA2D5vngrKQR25umJxK5S6jryxfOs5_gbWLKJICIO fnL3CP7.ONslxvDhDaWu9GPCZBfgTSgWD3iDmoHWcXrkUueHWztg3WnC9Fu9 sJ7Kuyp_tmCaD_ffrFJC5hAFkeq1l_7l.ZT1.hff.9_ESRrMxsSeMT33PS41 sSYyQ3DDsOEfk8ColN0IoN2wg.3Gabka0k97W0BATmjox7BksRhM4IpdiBMg p7VV8PlttFrLmspdUbNdUS2C8abCGNgvKCE_EtZKFEyKdSqFtQapUz85x.V4 kevK_Qrda6DCeEyucXDrfOLxmbJS.hoNwLTWt849YbUcPVoWaSvexaDjXs_L SPv36QCrN0U8u.rlFnzkJXflObYIHOn8crEoJ6zOFnrMchGkIA..nMOMA9_. 3R1R7EFPEjnHtMgrfaEt8ZS6RSZi2WehzydkjRNylDjgEIMrOXxwZ_TlMbK2 IBuQBKy0E6Z74ozSFd.MpW4CRCBRAYSxnpHG.mG_hemZ6f2G_5pFCMw-- Received: from [173.48.171.26] by web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 04:38:17 PDT U3RlcGhlbiwKSnVzdCBmcm9tIG1lbW9yeSwgdGhlIDQwMDAgc2VyaWVzIHNvdW5kcyBsaWtlIHRoZSBmYXR0ZXIgY29pbCBzcHJ1bmcgdmVyc2lvbiBvZiB0aGUgcmVjZW50IHZlcnNpb24gb2YgdGhlIFNoZWxieSBDb2JyYS4gVGhpcyBpcyBzdHJpY3RseSBteSBvcGluaW9uLCBidXQgaWYgeW91ciBmcmllbmQgaXMga2VlbiBvbiB0aGlzIG1vZGVsIENvYnJhLCBhbmQgdGhlIHByaWNlIGlzIHdpdGhpbiBoaXMgbGltaXQgYW5kIGhlJ3Mgbm90IGJ1eWluZyBhZGQtb25zIHRoYXQgaGUncyBnb2luZyB0byBkaXMBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 04:38:17 -0700 (PDT) From: snakebit289 To: Stephen Waybright Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Cobra continuation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Stephen, Just from memory, the 4000 series sounds like the fatter coil sprung version of the recent version of the Shelby Cobra. This is strictly my opinion, but if your friend is keen on this model Cobra, and the price is within his limit and he's not buying add-ons that he's going to discard in order to equip his new car to his own liking, I would favor the Shelby version over cars like Superperformance or Factory Five, particularly if one of his concerns is resale value. Also, I would check to see how close a new 4000 today from Shelby price-wise would compare to the cost of the used one that your friend is thinking about. Also, again just my opinion, but I would check into the leaf sprung, scrawnier version, based on the original Cobra MK II 289. They're rarer as replicars, and probably more enjoyable as a occasional street-driven car, like a bigger Tiger. Just as an aside, Hemmings reported yesterday that what amounts to a barn-find Cobra MK I (one of the first 260 models with skinnier wires and no side fender vents) sold at auction(the Pebble Beach / Quail Lodge event) for $ 2.07 million including premium, so far the record for leaf-sprung Cobra's. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 07:55:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5B840532 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 07:55:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f51.google.com (mail-oa0-f51.google.com [209.85.219.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF31C4006D for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 07:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id h1so836022oag.38 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Xad8k648uPdTCNBIEWGgSMD2EhwX8BgF1pPVo4zvDnQ=; b=Z4maPQbP2Px38PXf52a2g0MoT+h/s9Gr5LGPhfHFlCTMT/OMioMPnmknRNXXATNdjn RIGh5EBZsdhWQt68kM3sgmGMiaxVVqdmM9feP37WCM/XOCQT5gSIVeoCFZDBBscKqg5g fnqrNXu+dj2VGc6Z3faAhZAaF/Em9rrI9oo2JsEsgby8kOfvbFJX5Q3sLlecqbqo8n6X aEpP77FSMQzejaYJdhJLiyczp3DxAcPgfn+087WXbYTN4FLfkstBYNNkejajrQ6RM2sl GrHgWElef9urI+sCg+Hu0k/Q24KfeccBMPuOecAqLyQjS6lThC35qA7cLOZc3EP+F/dd rjIA== lr6mr6101736igb.0.1377093338220; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.126.197 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <1377085097.13403.YahooMailNeo@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:55:38 -0500 From: Cullen McCann To: snakebit289 Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cobra continuation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For what I know about them, I agree with Rande. I would expect that the continuation series cars to hold the value the best of all the non-original (period) cobras simply because they have the correct Shelby American branding on them, and Shel "endorsed" them...where he did not for all other replicas. He did get behind superformance though...even on a business level, so they should hold their value very well both due to that and the quality. I believe the 4000 series SA cars are VERY similar to the superformance setup...and i was under the impression that some collaboration between superformance and shelby was at the heart of those two lines...but I havent dug in to it. I believe is the series 8000 that is the 289 version car. That would be cool. My Cobra replica is not as advanced of a car as the superformance or Shelby American Cont' car...its built more like a street rod, but it does drive very well and similar to the authentic original cobras I have driven on a couple of rare occasions. Its a 90" wheel base reasonably accurate external representation of the original SC bodied big block car. I would personally not lump superformance and factory 5 in the same category. nothing wrong with factory five, but the superformace car is incredibly high quality and very well made...by FAR exceeding the standards of workmenship of all other replicas, (except Kirkham) and exceeding the quality of the originals in my opinion, with the possible exception of the alloy coach work which is just a lost art altogether. The kirkhams arent event a close discussion. They arent really even meant to replicate...they are so nice, so fancy and so well built with precision design and tolerance, they are in a class of their own. And kirkhams often demand outrageous premiums...EVEN for a while, a few years ago, close to the originals simply due to their incredible quality. These days however the originals are untouchable for most of us as we know. my two cents. Cullen Alpine 260 (TAC 840) On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 6:38 AM, snakebit289 wrote: > Stephen, > Just from memory, the 4000 series sounds like the fatter coil sprung > version of the recent version of the Shelby Cobra. This is strictly my > opinion, but if your friend is keen on this model Cobra, and the price is > within his limit and he's not buying add-ons that he's going to discard in > order to equip his new car to his own liking, I would favor the Shelby > version > over cars like Superperformance or Factory Five, particularly if one of his > concerns is resale value. > > Also, I would check to see how close a new 4000 > today from Shelby price-wise would compare to the cost of the used one > that > your friend is thinking about. Also, again just my opinion, but I would > check > into the leaf sprung, scrawnier version, based on the original Cobra MK II > 289. They're rarer as replicars, and probably more enjoyable as a > occasional > street-driven car, like a bigger Tiger. > > Just as an aside, Hemmings reported > yesterday that what amounts to a barn-find Cobra MK I (one of the first 260 > models with skinnier wires and no side fender vents) sold at auction(the > Pebble Beach / Quail Lodge event) for $ 2.07 million including premium, so > far > the record for leaf-sprung Cobra's. > > Rande Bellman > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 09:15:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC724274E for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE990403E0 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:11:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AA24F7006A888 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.146]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7E24FE000081 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:08:20 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:08:20 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377097700; bh=UBC1G5aPBPH7Zg2oEz7EHHAP6MMpLL9ysI2Gd95NVs0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jv1xiiDwpxtYv/1QcRKBprSJOxAda1CzvctcFcFmb8MYNloU9u5VmiwvOIyNyUfi/ /fHR2IJuu80EbUTgpBiGiVt77uenTYIPdtHpgh0w/s3lQWiGL8OUAGoyUM2Jr0fmmK OMbVegiYJjg3R+Kv9BQPKEJnaG4yEvylrymhenBg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c5214d7e40c91 Subject: [Tigers] None Tiger content.............GM cars but interesting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://autos.aol.com/article/vintage-car-auction-will-sell-off-low-mileage-g ems/?m=false _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 09:45:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6CD42832 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:45:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f47.google.com (mail-yh0-f47.google.com [209.85.213.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18850400AD for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:40:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f47.google.com with SMTP id 29so140669yhl.34 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:40:26 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aArciUY6G580ejHMPwGm5a9VEIlcT+S4pXNtifRZbCI=; b=L6+qDxGw9v6kbSOlEuvLrUgOJQh93rcL+NKrS2FiKiLJpI6LsRGZMD9WzTr4fe7zoq /hJN6t0AGnM0vStDDzalnBLrjmA+f4uj9VubGpxaK448BF5Q7OgC8kk+Lq2P3WklM2Y7 3MPYraVy71Xrx2OHduRufWO+0musxqGHMNT6Q= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aArciUY6G580ejHMPwGm5a9VEIlcT+S4pXNtifRZbCI=; b=E4aDLV9Pyq24p4vfb5uFz0+DKJFCk/Xstd2hDGbdTxa6DYeNFZswGhmFv/3GP4gmdq M53TSJN4CwqZ0GUnT759zzn62xTl4z193azTNddnSmU+dnYyaEF9VNjMu6Zjko2lw21n 9Abw1kkFuOqkvClHWBNBRw9edGdpLb0eUmmO2fISg/jwAq7MQH56KONoyuqAIjDS1E7e OSvEkP2YcPsZGuATuGnNX0wfMtMs+mu6d0xw+bCm8GJuwIhi1zhnp4Oi1Fb3PpPgcAiM QNQMlVpTC/l13dAcNBNbWAkiYQvUn5pwSF9JQO5meGBCYM518lDKpYDVQrwtaanTty6A Wt1w== v3mr1004792yhd.84.1377099626747; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DavePC (DRMONS0540W-156034170254.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net. 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My car's engine is a 331 stroker making about 320 hp, and is fitted with period headers (identified by this List as from JC Whitney), and these header to cylinder head bolts have had to be tightened at least once every driving season. I know on race cars this is an ongoing problem and that bolt locks are usually fitted to prevent this fault. But the headers I have leave little room for these mechanical locks. Does anyone else have this problem, and is there a reasonable solution that doesn't require engine removal to effect? Perhaps a new set of headers? One of the many Loctite formulas that take high heat? Help! dave _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 10:18:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9C142770 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:18:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.188]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E8E40079 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:10:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail93-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.247) by CO1EHSOBE022.bigfish.com (10.243.66.85) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:10:25 +0000 Received: from mail93-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail93-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A918AA000A1; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:10:25 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail93-co1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail93-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail93-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1377101423714909_3738; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS020.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.245]) by mail93-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93CF4C0034; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CO1EHSMHS020.bigfish.com (10.243.66.30) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:10:23 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.347.0; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:11:08 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.186]) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.181]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:10:21 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Dave Munroe , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Cobra continuation Thread-Index: AQHOnmN2T6ddpXKsbE2gvTNWLR8/epmgIIyA//+0UgA= Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:10:20 +0000 References: <1377085097.13403.YahooMailNeo@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0408B37D1C46441AB6C850A4B75E856E@DavePC> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.5.143.129] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cobra continuation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Can you drill the bolt heads for lock wire? Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe > Sent: August 21, 2013 9:40 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cobra continuation > > Hi Guys: > > I know on race cars this is an ongoing problem and that bolt locks are > usually fitted to prevent this fault. But the headers I have leave > little room for these mechanical locks. Does anyone else have this > problem, and is there a reasonable solution that doesn't require engine > removal to effect? > > Perhaps a new set of headers? One of the many Loctite formulas that > take high heat? > > Help! > > dave ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 10:20:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90A94279F for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:20:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og111.obsmtp.com (exprod5og111.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.22]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD0040324 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cinmlip14.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.4.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob111.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUhTnEJfwUkUecgv4n2P2VtVvdanihs8x@postini.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:13:05 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO cinmlef09.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.213.56]) by cinmlip14.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 21 Aug 2013 12:13:03 -0400 Received: from cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.213.93]) by cinmlef09.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:13:02 -0400 Received: from alpmlch02.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.17.21]) by cinmlef17.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:12:59 -0400 Received: from CINMBHT01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.194) by alpmlch02.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.17.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:12:56 -0400 Received: from CINMBAPD03.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.69) by CINMBHT01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.194) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:12:56 -0400 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.203]) by CINMBAPD03.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.9.157]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:12:56 -0400 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: Dave Munroe , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Cobra continuation Thread-Index: AQHOnoWjrCRwc0JzCUOaapntWe+mI5mf1BgA Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:12:54 +0000 References: <1377085097.13403.YahooMailNeo@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0408B37D1C46441AB6C850A4B75E856E@DavePC> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.193] FILETIME=[4DB615D0:01CE9E89] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cobra continuation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, Header bolts are hard to keep tight on some applications, these locks are small enough they should fit. Otherwise you can always drill the bolt heads and safety wire them, something not easily done in a Tiger! http://www.summitracing.com/parts/stg-8913/overview/make/ford Also consider the Percy's gaskets, they work. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/php-65014/overview/make/ford -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:40 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cobra continuation Hi Guys: I'm just back from a week of realtively spirited "Touring" (about 1200 miles), and the engine grew progressively more noisy until it was clear the exhaust manifold bolts were loosening. Once home in the garage I was able to get the engine room stripped down to see what was going on. On the drivers side, the rear-most bolt had left the car (of course, the most difficult to access!) and the rest were very loose on both sides of the engine. My car's engine is a 331 stroker making about 320 hp, and is fitted with period headers (identified by this List as from JC Whitney), and these header to cylinder head bolts have had to be tightened at least once every driving season. I know on race cars this is an ongoing problem and that bolt locks are usually fitted to prevent this fault. But the headers I have leave little room for these mechanical locks. Does anyone else have this problem, and is there a reasonable solution that doesn't require engine removal to effect? Perhaps a new set of headers? One of the many Loctite formulas that take high heat? Help! dave _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark.rense@ge.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 10:21:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B526942911 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:21:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CAB40324 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:14:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.166] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 16:14:02 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.152] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 16:14:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 16:14:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 26260 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2013 16:14:01 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377101641; bh=Y8xSu9OVrbWRdDv5zbU+m3/pUTy/cW3yVx3klKLCoi0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HIJxR6/Fmndv3R3to3jWNtG4lNUF6hE7Tqc8fUU5wYiO8CAjGEvDgg6Z0od73Uu2u24p1ZvM1SUPrnY38IgPZJtqp96qpYsevIwSPg4tCJoYTCtLTbLpbq4jZyxAdZ4O+KR+a36vvrl/WyRPgg7xy29+SmIznVEoaehb02ZgW2c= s=s1024; d=bellsouth.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IpPfI6YyGA9ZFgYBJrQHHXfWtk6Zuh8noeLEJz9kVkiEIJCDnvAmqqqFCl6F8nkzxFsca+eWU7qJ71Ph8DQWv3VX3Y9wBsrea84Jeblkeb23Ia/I5OeSx5fWrxXh2ZWYBqy7LBZtdAd9n6HeDr0wm26AJbfddf1KRWkDjjr3EU4=; w72smhSy75_bBVyVsV7sysvHonulPhym51E7N9jlj3jltpeHp4k4IzQtvq4O pBJ6Yg2j0eK2xFp1v5LsrefxrODdiFUlPa2uLBFL0xDOgFIPqNBUhB_kfp98 8bG0Ke_5Ucyn4MZlr7O8xNp14HrAp5eguLRXry7eXX6IsjgznexlqHOMU7yW m8XVDR2AvjEUkutYeOyHuvyRhOpLAB6UO4ol5N3paOLCojm.tqNsbZ5Bkkpe Gk4luT0hFJ3cvjeug75VM_xRvuwzKYxLnEPixeeDozP_Vng3qii21Twtp7qq v88dISZxrWJ6.UwXAF4RH9ayWyJPVBzzSzpSQeT8KtxANc5XsH3Z_oNj3ywq dTVAj9iuqGXYBpAyY_SkAJmG363RvZC.NCQtf.phtDbBsbDKQmdvUI0Zncfa JSm_B7lMf0oP4zb4mVDHE7YS8HouLyZo3saKdvpXsk3zw4X3XdJbkrgxL_ut 3OS0.A9K9U5K2VKHa04uBhfxpXB0cHJMBTnsSvmPsJQQYqX3Cf.19_QMX776 q7NU6xZNaJ1YMhNnkbiOAcF158btMLH8aOKbhuLdlMa7mFyZlSY9Ac6r6mmd es8eCvLRZVeFoNgJqthfkvw-- Received: from [208.186.43.100] by web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:14:01 PDT SW4gdGhlIFY2IEFscGluZSB3b3JsZCB0aGlzIGlzIG92ZXIgY29tZSBpbiBhIGRpZmZlcmVudCB3YXkgdGhhbiBhbnlvbmUgd291bGQgZXZlciBndWVzcy4uLiB0aGUgVjYgaXMgYSBtZXRyaWMgYmVhc3QgYW5kIHdlIHNpbXBseSB1c2UgU0FFIGhlYWRlciBib2x0cyB0aGF0IGFyZSBhcyBjbG9zZSB0byB0aGUgbWV0cmljIGJvbHQgYXMgcG9zc2libGUgLi4uIHRoZXkgYWxtb3N0IGZpdCBidXQgbm90IHF1aXRlIGFuZCB0aGV5IG5ldmVyIGJhY2sgb3V0Li4gCsKgCiAKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18BMAEBAQE- References: <1377085097.13403.YahooMailNeo@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0408B37D1C46441AB6C850A4B75E856E@DavePC> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:14:01 -0700 (PDT) From: james ellis To: Dave Munroe , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cobra continuation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In the V6 Alpine world this is over come in a different way than anyone would ever guess... the V6 is a metric beast and we simply use SAE header bolts that are as close to the metric bolt as possible ... they almost fit but not quite and they never back out.. ________________________________ From: Dave Munroe To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cobra continuation Hi Guys: I'm just back from a week of realtively spirited "Touring" (about 1200 miles), and the engine grew progressively more noisy until it was clear the exhaust manifold bolts were loosening. Once home in the garage I was able to get the engine room stripped down to see what was going on. On the drivers side, the rear-most bolt had left the car (of course, the most difficult to access!) and the rest were very loose on both sides of the engine. My car's engine is a 331 stroker making about 320 hp, and is fitted with period headers (identified by this List as from JC Whitney), and these header to cylinder head bolts have had to be tightened at least once every driving season. I know on race cars this is an ongoing problem and that bolt locks are usually fitted to prevent this fault. But the headers I have leave little room for these mechanical locks. Does anyone else have this problem, and is there a reasonable solution that doesn't require engine removal to effect? Perhaps a new set of headers? One of the many Loctite formulas that take high heat? Help! dave _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/hunber@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 10:34:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E45240511 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f48.google.com (mail-vb0-f48.google.com [209.85.212.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B26D42745 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:20:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id w16so453426vbf.35 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:20:17 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=33/2zaYcShQ9+JxeCjpPnzuHgEfkR+oLIR9H1I8COcY=; b=vbH9HkvoYgci6AmYr+bwTxJEIj83ao6DD7D2KlFKFU2yvLygmmdNo6JwfK8S294CiI M1MudNEB6Ro0s94v8BAeaLTnRwsqOgM/RkcvPDVDTLSXwGzDwVbIhO0jtu9pcY3mKpH1 +vAZlmFwYzoq5aMgpVkHcPyJglwnX2zNN3Y6bG1Bnirf3/dl3vJUha63RQL/lenW3XBj 4iJp/U7ATHqOVPUGKOXMZT3FDNB/PPlVN3EUtJ/n0qRplY809pH4d1Z9EtRHA/e/O6m4 r04GblvbmrQAlsH8xy9nJMffzESiHXK6NV7laOXpLE8a8XvhbgHgvC+knLCCgq6KxgY4 VceA== jn6mr6229068vdb.18.1377102017632; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:20:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.19.71 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:20:17 -0700 (PDT) References: <7630E6DD-0FAB-4EBB-BB2C-0C3D4F2A7483@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:20:17 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Alex Haugland Cc: tiger list Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct/most original soft top material for an early Mark 1 Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It depends on which year. That said, I was at Sunbeam Specialties probably 20 years ago now, if not more, when Rick was working with a new top supplier trying to get their product to fit right, and help them change their pattern to work better. So, keep in mind that material is only a small fraction of the product. The fit is also critical. Personally, I would just go to Rick or Curt and get what they have that is closest - and avoid VB on this stuff like the plague. That way you'll have generally the best that is out there, even if it is not exact. You might even consider talking to them and asking what they have now, and what issues they have with them, and what might come in the future. Sadly, the demand and thus suppliers for this stuff drops every year. I was just talking to a Porsche 356 restorer - a car that can go for many $100,000s and where you'd think the suppliers would be readily available with high quality parts for people willing to spend that kind of money on the cars. He said that since so many of the cars have been restored by now, the demand for parts has dropped off, and so too the suppliers. Sure, there will continue to be restorations, and cars that are driven will need further maintenance and restoration - but that later group of cars is by far the minority. The moral of this story? We all need to drive these cars into the ground so that they will need restoration and suppliers will stay in business! On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Alex Haugland wrote: > Hello! I'm actively restoring a pretty original early mark 1 Tiger > (B9470334LRXFE) and want to bring it back to as close to original > condition as > is reasonable for a car I intend to actually drive. As the car is in need > of > a complete repainting, I'm planning the teardown and gathering the pieces > that > need to be replaced for when I start putting it back together. To that > end, > the top on the car is a replacement in pinpoint vinyl which has some tears > and > other issues leading it to needing to be replaced. > > To that end, I've seen different sites listing conflicting or at least > unclear > information as to what material is closest to the original. I'm not sure > if > it should be a pinpoint vinyl or a crushed grain vinyl. The Everflex at > least > has the grey interior, but I don't know if its texture is at all correct > and > would appreciate whatever guidance all of you can give. Thank you very > much! > > --Alex Haugland > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 10:48:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACD642836 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:48:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.192]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E922403E0 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:31:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.160] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 16:31:48 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.137] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 16:31:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 16:31:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 70970 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2013 16:31:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377102707; bh=XWKfB9vG5V2PGEX1aYOMJeqtxJxWWSDuT6AyYjU8ES4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oB+CXhiMniUrl+qSM2fNMZN0l5hx3w6KireVIFquPgHwCc92VjkALOjiffcXLj9CrSzEWOJCj0oc74T8NoRYhf7ygLPeV3OaC1plwTmWzvzM8NX3F1oht29JagxBQ4lcFySNRH2pfGoUQppoviUzT5OGDSpTLCShOavPaDV/5wQ= s=s1024; d=bellsouth.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SDOB6BsmMXz2HsNVJ8TObeZyW6KXFIVmY69nF5oXJvCzc0O4YZV2AHqrZmOkKBEx8lV4olAEIlAfW/D3AW4r/tMC5ijyciypn2LnK4r1rtqmQHHxvwK0omg4VrQ1fQ7DMWrShaJ6DEi5KZSuRLWMfzCUoEuN+qksNBjWEwsePZw=; bJ_uHjEQ91NSb_tuRBGH8mHXeYZO058pUhmhhMbiKp2vGq1pFQL0dlgndd9d wMj00c09HUGFuYgfn1SjnRR3xhg2bNxEouyUo4GG7vHcvfaoJkjjhC56hZ20 aTYgN8Fp369TZqKRBsD_numRdvrx7OsjtvPNJeLFM2Mmy9Y_vE4QNkp7PTlD tyu0Lkf4XVm3B4g3lSDg4MbMZTH9ZleU1huTX6NkV3Fu4BEjJj09TIpJDSp8 ofg8Bsa0JUOtPh1iC86jCcuitjUlea2_fShmQYjASjbGs9.Cz0HPBAnUQU.K I35DlU98trvwoom0fhGm8EAvXU5_f5aYGTMb1sCqcZcRpX09D0Y6_rAwwLey gT13_in4OgyGO.qErEPLmHYwVcg5SMyi6wGit1FynhUgQqD7dDosujgDRZ98 NufbpyIAuYRQ0VUzgBLU9C9v2RRnAA3L7hGjJnvmKX1VKc9k61fV8USQnZBH bJDFXmnlJYFdhuauEPZHv_jhKfaRslKFfCIB2wBy9L7EtYNdBP8DxzWQnzs7 DHyvu_9bJZ0k_ZG2M8Qa2BPVQIiF1.XhSjWIJEXKKTYq0fambostO4Py6yhr gNrt8lK6.nBOaA8gkKhhlbw-- Received: from [208.186.43.100] by web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:31:46 PDT Y291cGxlIG90aGVyIHRoaW5ncy4uLiB0aGUgVjYga2l0IGhlYWRlcnMgYXJlIHZlcnkgd2VsbCBtYWQgd2l0aCBhIGJlZWZ5IGZsYW5nZSBhdCB0aGUgaGVhZCBhbmQgdGhleSBoYXZlIGEgc2xpZ2h0bHkgcmFpc2UgcmluZyBhcm91bmQgdGhlIHBvcnQgb24gdGhlIGhlYWQgc2lkZSwgdGhlIGludGVyZmVyZW5jZSBmaXQgYXMgVjYgSm9lIGNhbGxzIGl0IHdvcmtzIGJ1dCB0aGVzZSBhcmUgaXJvbiBoZWFkcyBJIHdvdWxkIG5ldmVyIHRyeSBpdCBvbiBhbGxveSBoZWFkcyB3b3VsZCBzdXJlIHN0cmlwIHRoZW0BMAEBAQE- References: <1377085097.13403.YahooMailNeo@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0408B37D1C46441AB6C850A4B75E856E@DavePC> <1377101641.15555.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:31:46 -0700 (PDT) From: james ellis To: james ellis , Dave Munroe , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cobra continuation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net couple other things... the V6 kit headers are very well mad with a beefy flange at the head and they have a slightly raise ring around the port on the head side, the interference fit as V6 Joe calls it works but these are iron heads I would never try it on alloy heads would sure strip them out... and you must be very careful to start them straight.. UMMV junk headers are just that and if they are not flat at the flange well they will never seal for long... ________________________________ From: james ellis To: Dave Munroe ; "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cobra continuation In the V6 Alpine world this is over come in a different way than anyone would ever guess... the V6 is a metric beast and we simply use SAE header bolts that are as close to the metric bolt as possible ... they almost fit but not quite and they never back out.. ________________________________ From: Dave Munroe To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cobra continuation Hi Guys: I'm just back from a week of realtively spirited "Touring" (about 1200 miles), and the engine grew progressively more noisy until it was clear the exhaust manifold bolts were loosening. Once home in the garage I was able to get the engine room stripped down to see what was going on. On the drivers side, the rear-most bolt had left the car (of course, the most difficult to access!) and the rest were very loose on both sides of the engine. My car's engine is a 331 stroker making about 320 hp, and is fitted with period headers (identified by this List as from JC Whitney), and these header to cylinder head bolts have had to be tightened at least once every driving season. I know on race cars this is an ongoing problem and that bolt locks are usually fitted to prevent this fault. But the headers I have leave little room for these mechanical locks. Does anyone else have this problem, and is there a reasonable solution that doesn't require engine removal to effect? Perhaps a new set of headers? One of the many Loctite formulas that take high heat? Help! dave _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/hunber@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/hunber@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 11:06:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB5042758 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:06:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f43.google.com (mail-qa0-f43.google.com [209.85.216.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63AE8400A4 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:03:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id cl20so546136qab.2 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:03:53 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ABir3fk4F4bMYP5IV1Gr0RexyvMWXzWAvD8k+eNLO18=; b=EpOnqqMKm7kfOHeTiqV3UKAwbOMOhIOh+M4k7vbT5vWiBzEzOQ1zYOwwMBA8Rqw+pn 44ZHS9yYvUby4NUZCpynFKlC4B+8fBv8cAyzMa/NTlqNxlgSk9LaDzs41vPmmUl7V0uV C5CjJ9IZaBmOzfoolQmrxRoK+lUfxNNH0gnRQ= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ABir3fk4F4bMYP5IV1Gr0RexyvMWXzWAvD8k+eNLO18=; b=Ho/wgadJtvnSujqpmDnnbSnSqLelZFipdKN4fyMBCJNKJM9XLnPVsKXbBdywEhS+0R UNKLYmvumKDv5zR3Yw59p8JFHoCOFZHi3JH2NYJ+yVxw0QEj101+VYvvpn212soX3psH qbh4d2MvaWTVdU4Y8liwCPH6c7mLxMrDX2eJIDUrGAQLaLqPrtDxuMHTOZTQMrM+M+OA cjtCkYjDUIkHPHu/4mp6ApZBAo5QgoP61vpij4Xry1SOibGbRm8VZZ29tybFJO/fwAW8 gjDwiu9+7TgPnMj9ptsgisLw1rExFY39669e9mYtl/mgsGSpZ0vEKeOe8N2/zUvY/lN8 8Nsg== of2mr10238061qeb.37.1377104632923; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DavePC (DRMONS0540W-156034170254.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net. [156.34.170.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id a7sm10101132qeg.2.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:03:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Munroe" To: "Smit, Theo" , References: <1377085097.13403.YahooMailNeo@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0408B37D1C46441AB6C850A4B75E856E@DavePC> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A22F00E@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:03:51 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Header bolts locking strategies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In a word Theo, Yes. Must have had brain "lock". Shoulda thought of that myself! Thanks for the boot. My headers require that six of these bolts (three on each side) have very small heads to clear the pipes. Currently I have standard bolts in these locations that have the heads reduced to take the open end of a 7/16" wrench. This is not a satisfactory solution as you cannot get sufficient torque on them to keep them tight. Lock wire might fix this. The rest of the bolts are ARP socket head manifold bolts. The walls of the socket end of these bolts are too thin to reduce enough to fit by grinding. What I need are socket head bolts that have a reduced head diameter with the next size down Allen key. A strange bolt for sure, but I have not been successful in finding such an animal on the WWW. Any ideas? Also, is it a bad idea to keep driving the car with a leak at the cyl.head/manifold joint? Any danger of damaging the head or header surfaces? Thanks for your help! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Dave Munroe" ; Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:10 PM Can you drill the bolt heads for lock wire? Theo > > Hi Guys: > > I know on race cars this is an ongoing problem and that bolt locks are > usually fitted to prevent this fault. But the headers I have leave > little room for these mechanical locks. Does anyone else have this > problem, and is there a reasonable solution that doesn't require engine > removal to effect? > > Perhaps a new set of headers? One of the many Loctite formulas that > take high heat? > > Help! > > dave _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 11:16:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6FF40454 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:16:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423EC400A4 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:09:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.166] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 17:09:27 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.250] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 17:09:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 17:09:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 70569 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2013 17:09:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377104966; bh=axRJrH/9ZouHzFgOdPWduNuWC07ca7IoCfMskerQM+0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q52Uek5TXCg6tSVqACkA9suak1651wCNU0d1448nXyTySh9scc3doII9YnthYTSaL9CYnTEFl2EXrxC6kaLwxyTdl61P+az/bl91+l9kJdGlL2Y5thR1+2u89qNdky2HoQHGI9AqTr4GvRp7rGmI/wRe0DQqa3h7NUqmTAlgIxw= s=s1024; d=bellsouth.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zzAjGe3LWSodK9wUDiQaElXJxN5Yv1vKbcC6snDasJwIXd/jQNjG6fSP6qOO8MoW5I7CsCkjGQsc4RnyJczkmUjj4Y24P+kL5fTmGyQS4SJbhEdalYfiHa7pu1nGTIfjSMftDGmCxTE0h5ZV1vUTHfViK0jARuL9aK4AnkgBoTM=; .KT_elV311frU5mmsxiR1jYe9ftK5RQuPzs8wtZIaCRvpAgTrV7Yy2_0UM6R SGBCBgB00vcJKU5e8HNub2WIOCC4.Ok5zBOxNzOTS5qq1XEh181L2xbsDIc7 U5i1TDWUA.VQCYqir8CYSfWxUveg0C.vGL8cXPTZZee2Kp802ATNsRLaH.q_ VeEiJhmlRBJpIXP_.PRmuduRkA1.hXr_3.ugXXU9pyxz3sRsYUGZcAYlmgB2 rJQSIVv6F6LoHHqqPHdtdgjQzqqRuMPY31zhSc5h10Pl.__9gVg_F1KXzIgT JyGCI3BFVaUQinm1TJ0Ipi5UqSeLDvIxwRylnCYy_HQo_2SbqAOghyUnaa1m 8WsfeKjpFxwT3AAKOQo9VUabNbFnjnRZnjB9cziuAWad12tv34fkbO7s5SNO bp2WLLnSfAftxvGvGDKjjB7BclNLbN_xfsWlOHbonlsZRZbKFk29_z97G4a5 lzZGS.sZDHfcrZ.ToGOH2aXV_mj3IdhDWoWFcyE9sljMiA3xI8.D.MPUs1fH vQ47TQtBKLVTtk6.7dins0rseziPMH_KR28CT_J1POmnoyb_Ia3YTwRS4A1e QOY82hKnTEyCKnZRuOBAqhwKGiWU- Received: from [208.186.43.100] by web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:09:26 PDT Y291bGTCoGJ1cm4gYSB2YWx2ZSBlc3BlY2lhbGx5IGlmIHlvdSBhcmUgcnVubmluZyBsZWFuCiAKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBEYXZlIE11bnJvZSA8ZGF2ZUBtdW5yb2UuY2E.ClRvOiAiU21pdCwgVGhlbyIgPFRoZW8uU21pdEBkeW5hc3RyZWFtLmNvbT47IHRpZ2Vyc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCAKU2VudDogV2VkbmVzZGF5LCBBdWd1c3QgMjEsIDIwMTMgMTowMyBQTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogW1RpZ2Vyc10gSGVhZGVyIGJvbHRzIGxvY2tpbmcgc3RyYXRlZ2llcwoBMAEBAQE- References: <1377085097.13403.YahooMailNeo@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0408B37D1C46441AB6C850A4B75E856E@DavePC> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A22F00E@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> <0BA22824CF9342D7BDF88EA7C1954E66@DavePC> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:09:26 -0700 (PDT) From: james ellis To: Dave Munroe , "Smit, Theo" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Header bolts locking strategies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net could burn a valve especially if you are running lean ________________________________ From: Dave Munroe To: "Smit, Theo" ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Header bolts locking strategies In a word Theo, Yes. Must have had brain "lock". Shoulda thought of that myself! Thanks for the boot. My headers require that six of these bolts (three on each side) have very small heads to clear the pipes. Currently I have standard bolts in these locations that have the heads reduced to take the open end of a 7/16" wrench. This is not a satisfactory solution as you cannot get sufficient torque on them to keep them tight. Lock wire might fix this. The rest of the bolts are ARP socket head manifold bolts. The walls of the socket end of these bolts are too thin to reduce enough to fit by grinding. What I need are socket head bolts that have a reduced head diameter with the next size down Allen key. A strange bolt for sure, but I have not been successful in finding such an animal on the WWW. Any ideas? Also, is it a bad idea to keep driving the car with a leak at the cyl.head/manifold joint? Any danger of damaging the head or header surfaces? Thanks for your help! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Dave Munroe" ; Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:10 PM Can you drill the bolt heads for lock wire? Theo > > Hi Guys: > > I know on race cars this is an ongoing problem and that bolt locks are > usually fitted to prevent this fault. But the headers I have leave > little room for these mechanical locks. Does anyone else have this > problem, and is there a reasonable solution that doesn't require engine > removal to effect? > > Perhaps a new set of headers? One of the many Loctite formulas that > take high heat? > > Help! > > dave _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/hunber@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 11:19:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC5842931 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:19:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B69C403E0 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:15:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from larry-pc.home ([unknown] [96.244.79.85]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MRW007AN59ELV90@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:15:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Paulick Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:15:13 -0400 References: <1377085097.13403.YahooMailNeo@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0408B37D1C46441AB6C850A4B75E856E@DavePC> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147D0AC8C@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> To: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cobra continuation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net These work, as I have used them on my Tiger since 2000. Larry On Aug 21, 2013, at 12:12 PM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) wrote: > Dave, Header bolts are hard to keep tight on some applications, these locks > are small enough they should fit. Otherwise you can always drill the bolt > heads > and safety wire them, something not easily done in a Tiger! > > http://www.summitracing.com/parts/stg-8913/overview/make/ford > > Also consider the Percy's gaskets, they work. > http://www.summitracing.com/parts/php-65014/overview/make/ford > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Dave Munroe > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:40 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cobra continuation > > Hi Guys: > > I'm just back from a week of realtively spirited "Touring" (about 1200 miles), > and the engine grew progressively more noisy until it was clear the exhaust > manifold bolts were loosening. > > Once home in the garage I was able to get the engine room stripped down to see > what was going on. On the drivers side, the rear-most bolt had left the car > (of course, the most difficult to access!) and the rest were very loose on > both sides of the engine. > > > My car's engine is a 331 stroker making about 320 hp, and is fitted with > period headers (identified by this List as from JC Whitney), and these header > to cylinder head bolts have had to be tightened at least once every driving > season. > > I know on race cars this is an ongoing problem and that bolt locks are usually > fitted to prevent this fault. But the headers I have leave little room for > these mechanical locks. Does anyone else have this problem, and is there a > reasonable solution that doesn't require engine removal to effect? > > Perhaps a new set of headers? One of the many Loctite formulas that take high > heat? > > Help! > > dave > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark.rense@ge.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 11:20:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385114297C for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:20:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from db8outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (mail-db8lp0185.outbound.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9287242876 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:19:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail97-db8-R.bigfish.com (10.174.8.240) by DB8EHSOBE036.bigfish.com (10.174.4.99) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:19:17 +0000 Received: from mail97-db8 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail97-db8-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43D2980118; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:19:17 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail97-db8: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail97-db8 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail97-db8 (MessageSwitch) id 1377105555898768_1894; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DB8EHSMHS030.bigfish.com (unknown [10.174.8.236]) by mail97-db8.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D817F740040; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by DB8EHSMHS030.bigfish.com (10.174.4.40) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:19:15 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com (10.5.143.142) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.347.0; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:19:51 -0500 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.186]) by OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.143.142]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:19:12 -0500 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Dave Munroe , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Header bolts locking strategies Thread-Index: AQHOnpBtNJOKwm1Vs0ikOBJ1ft4+wpmf5BhQ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:19:11 +0000 References: <1377085097.13403.YahooMailNeo@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0408B37D1C46441AB6C850A4B75E856E@DavePC> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A22F00E@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> <0BA22824CF9342D7BDF88EA7C1954E66@DavePC> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.5.143.129] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Header bolts locking strategies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Dave, I use the header bolts that have 7/16 hex head with built in flange like these: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mrg-915a/overview/ but they have these, too: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-84541/overview/make/ford that have 3/8" heads. Even though they're grade 8, you *should* be able to drill them for lock wire, with a proper fixture in a drill press and high quality drill bits. I have Wilwood rotors and drilled the rotor to hat bolts (socket cap screws) for lock wire. Theo ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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[156.34.170.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g3sm12375214qas.6.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:03:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Munroe" To: "Larry Paulick" References: <1377085097.13403.YahooMailNeo@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0408B37D1C46441AB6C850A4B75E856E@DavePC> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147D0AC8C@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:01:37 -0300 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cobra continuation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Larry: Good to know. - I'm going to try them. I can put them on the 10 bolts that have no pipe interference, and lock-wire the other six. Those Percy's Head Gaskets sound good too. I don't need to keep digging down into the header area all the time to keep the headers sealed! Appreciate the input! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Paulick" To: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" Cc: "Dave Munroe" ; Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:15 PM These work, as I have used them on my Tiger since 2000. Larry On Aug 21, 2013, at 12:12 PM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) wrote: > Dave, Header bolts are hard to keep tight on some applications, these > locks > are small enough they should fit. Otherwise you can always drill the bolt > heads > and safety wire them, something not easily done in a Tiger! > > http://www.summitracing.com/parts/stg-8913/overview/make/ford > > Also consider the Percy's gaskets, they work. > http://www.summitracing.com/parts/php-65014/overview/make/ford _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 13:22:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2868C40534 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:22:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f44.google.com (mail-la0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA22403EF for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:18:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id eo20so702106lab.31 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:18:31 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=oW4xgDIqgjgbur4OHnOe1aZgvLtgLU11cJAUp6mNFW0=; b=RLC6zkHk5vuijCYOMHn4zGxW+J61LqyRcXdqgaEiAi+IDlCO2RL6frY1DkRz7HaSEi ixU+3jf6MTAVBPA6Sc0W0VvaCt7AGVEVG0wb6z/zv+V1Gc763LXg24jWesQDrJwNPVJC EuODRMsMTdYpSylxzCH9x5hgICwvhsLabZuzPE/msa5hWn2Zx57QYcLzYn+Ad/7x6cni tpbhAk10/IOirrc6ffU6+2TsDnAp7kworP8+eya5+1207wI7w7cIP7QQ56vRiuNZg1Q1 yjDmliaI38iKh0s3LJ8Mspr93driVfGtrI7/CBhFQsWLCSRiKtbLpCc7BjKynyhiXfPi 26gA== l10mr7315062lam.12.1377112711114; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:18:31 -0700 (PDT) References: <1377085097.13403.YahooMailNeo@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0408B37D1C46441AB6C850A4B75E856E@DavePC> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A22F00E@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> <0BA22824CF9342D7BDF88EA7C1954E66@DavePC> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:18:31 -0400 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: Dave Munroe Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Header bolts locking strategies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I would safety wire them for sure. Lock washer at minimum. Threadlocker for sure. Driving with them loose could destroy your engine, next time stop and fix it, you were lucky. Michael On Aug 21, 2013 1:07 PM, "Dave Munroe" wrote: > In a word Theo, Yes. Must have had brain "lock". Shoulda thought of that > myself! Thanks for the boot. > > My headers require that six of these bolts (three on each side) have very > small heads to clear the pipes. Currently I have standard bolts in these > locations that have the heads reduced to take the open end of a 7/16" > wrench. This is not a satisfactory solution as you cannot get sufficient > torque on them to keep them tight. Lock wire might fix this. The rest of > the bolts are ARP socket head manifold bolts. The walls of the socket end > of these bolts are too thin to reduce enough to fit by grinding. What I > need are socket head bolts that have a reduced head diameter with the next > size down Allen key. A strange bolt for sure, but I have not been > successful in finding such an animal on the WWW. Any ideas? > > Also, is it a bad idea to keep driving the car with a leak at the > cyl.head/manifold joint? Any danger of damaging the head or header surfaces? > > Thanks for your help! > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" > To: "Dave Munroe" ; > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:10 PM > > > > Can you drill the bolt heads for lock wire? > Theo > > > > >> Hi Guys: >> >> I know on race cars this is an ongoing problem and that bolt locks are >> usually fitted to prevent this fault. But the headers I have leave >> little room for these mechanical locks. Does anyone else have this >> problem, and is there a reasonable solution that doesn't require engine >> removal to effect? >> >> Perhaps a new set of headers? One of the many Loctite formulas that >> take high heat? >> >> Help! >> >> dave >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/tigers/michael@** > michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 14:12:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3C94052D for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:12:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE48403BB for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:04:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r7LK304B003350; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:04:01 -0700 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b36b) id dm0224.520b156c.fa30b; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:03:49 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Dave Munroe'" , "'Smit, Theo'" , Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:03:46 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6ekf89h34eCxwLRe2zk+x+4hI1wgAFvgog engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-21_08:2013-08-21,2013-08-21,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308210154 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Header bolts locking strategies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dave The original Ford exhaust manifolds used C2OZ-9A447-A locking tabs. My guess is they will not work on most headers but the concept is still a good one. They are available at the Mustang shops and could possibly be modified to work on some headers. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:04 PM To: Smit, Theo; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Header bolts locking strategies In a word Theo, Yes. Must have had brain "lock". Shoulda thought of that myself! Thanks for the boot. My headers require that six of these bolts (three on each side) have very small heads to clear the pipes. Currently I have standard bolts in these locations that have the heads reduced to take the open end of a 7/16" wrench. This is not a satisfactory solution as you cannot get sufficient torque on them to keep them tight. Lock wire might fix this. The rest of the bolts are ARP socket head manifold bolts. The walls of the socket end of these bolts are too thin to reduce enough to fit by grinding. What I need are socket head bolts that have a reduced head diameter with the next size down Allen key. A strange bolt for sure, but I have not been successful in finding such an animal on the WWW. Any ideas? Also, is it a bad idea to keep driving the car with a leak at the cyl.head/manifold joint? Any danger of damaging the head or header surfaces? Thanks for your help! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Dave Munroe" ; Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:10 PM Can you drill the bolt heads for lock wire? Theo > > Hi Guys: > > I know on race cars this is an ongoing problem and that bolt locks are > usually fitted to prevent this fault. But the headers I have leave > little room for these mechanical locks. Does anyone else have this > problem, and is there a reasonable solution that doesn't require > engine removal to effect? > > Perhaps a new set of headers? One of the many Loctite formulas that > take high heat? > > Help! > > dave _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6595 - Release Date: 08/21/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 18:51:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B65B40518 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 18:51:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D1A4009A for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 18:38:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r7M0Ygqj017082; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:39:23 -0700 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b145) id dm0224.520b156c.f2075; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:38:05 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Alex Haugland'" , "'tiger list'" Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:38:00 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6eJX7hHTzcM/GrRPOLcVozKy12dQAqX8qA engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-21_08:2013-08-21,2013-08-21,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308210215 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct/most original soft top material for an early Mark 1 Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Alex I looked in the Parts List but not enough detail is listed. I can only go by what is listed in the Sunbeam Specialties catalog; Crush-Grain type Everflex British Vinyl is also available in a variety of colors in the leatherette finish used on the early Tigers. That still means little to me so I think you should talk to Rick at SS to see if he has better or more complete information. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alex Haugland Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 12:21 AM To: tiger list Subject: [Tigers] Correct/most original soft top material for an early Mark 1 Tiger Hello! I'm actively restoring a pretty original early mark 1 Tiger (B9470334LRXFE) and want to bring it back to as close to original condition as is reasonable for a car I intend to actually drive. As the car is in need of a complete repainting, I'm planning the teardown and gathering the pieces that need to be replaced for when I start putting it back together. To that end, the top on the car is a replacement in pinpoint vinyl which has some tears and other issues leading it to needing to be replaced. To that end, I've seen different sites listing conflicting or at least unclear information as to what material is closest to the original. I'm not sure if it should be a pinpoint vinyl or a crushed grain vinyl. The Everflex at least has the grey interior, but I don't know if its texture is at all correct and would appreciate whatever guidance all of you can give. Thank you very much! --Alex Haugland _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 20:23:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1592C42714 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:23:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50DD403E0 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:22:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2013 02:22:27 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.247] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2013 02:22:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1056.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2013 02:22:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 32526 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2013 02:22:27 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377138147; bh=KD2oMCBEi15J6QxyYOgXMV4UNgIK4pNBf9rEpw9ohZc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4a0GVCCmWA1fwc65+JsMAeWtODK+YkIa9iUlrfxyH2oAlFUuh0XDDn5ojAURxtWbBXL67I/0bNChZlaz3b4GdrhVwV89EHj9ZhY6EpZijdpEKDAUAAJkUxiIBQjnsyaylP+eDwjO4IhRKMwqXEJFvqCQgmD5Lx/fsmhFUpXkc9s= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gwTWEhBg2Q2YrM+99nWSokD8qG7S6b0a4XojRR8O3TQz/jumklmRK47/1mixjuds7BZto2dRkPxPUq/KHV90LigTKI15Piz3nKMbC9CvVMY+nSgL9EcRYlna6rvomdcRsYmL1lMh42UxCngB65mlE0HabWOfQ0lfqfQyEPwDumM=; FptC9pZzjeT0_fXXQg1yTpGOoQ1xh9lsZV3i7oWKeHNUl5tG7kcJEJZsI8Zp gNJpcGQAFu.UHlTScGwm0bX2H9do0YHU0w954YTeNAFU8nOB8ExLcNm6clTt yqNSgJqnRz4GmFo7WdWYlbdzPxiISguT4xMhDoHB1uJhNmxAZDX.KRaLFXrA pNhfCBZdWoOy_dY3ceBxv53ib2QgNZSg1sTv1L0Rw2utJR5upC5R.CUv42ty LU.nBWAfmRy0v614ZvqodhRZCSsQrBMIRBk8RUV2xP6LGuO2n1enn16mOB4t 5ynPFRbcFLumSwz6v.owgLx3lsVoa.uWE.r91bdGh.qUcjrwwEPNd74RV2d_ 8eMBSjNMcEWO_GCYHu7ZUxwRXnhJBz06di1iut6WIHIwoMxtoKYzrt.W0do9 PuENp_qEX27ySjxNptGk97P97X4rsQOjssQIZkfv_eLV5glR0MBk4FEok0o. .Uw334O3GgEU_dBWM4kXFUMkfX0lCXMH5r7vnEFV.qf6Ej9EKdE7BHSqewrJ NcG17UQagPyogqI9qyL7vOhBEX9ouK5WdTs8c6mGTXV9xP1WQ.HQS1htOsOu EdtxjglVbe2DBsNFyskZEej9VEGOSyk9CuV3jgKw5XdE3kKvCD4JzsMZiDFd LLWM- Received: from [173.48.171.26] by web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 19:22:27 PDT SXQncyBhIG1vbnRoIGF3YXkgZnJvbSB0aGUgc2Vjb25kIGFubnVhbCBCb3N0b24gQ3VwIGNvbmNvdXJzLCBhbmQgQm9zdG9uIENvbW1vbiBtYWdhemluZSB0aGlzIG1vbnRoIGluY2x1ZGVzIGEgc3RvcnkgdGhpcyBtb250aCBhYm91dCBhIGZldyBvZiB0aGUgZW50cmFudHMsIGNoaWVmIGFtb25nIHRoZW0gRW1pbHkgUm9vbmV5IGFuZCBoZXIgbGF0ZSBmYXRoZXIgQW5keSBSb29uZXkncyByZWNlbnRseSByZXN0b3JlZCBCMzgyMC4gU2hlIHNlbnQgbWUgdGhlIGZvbGxvd2luZyBsaW5rOgpodHRwOi8vYm9zdG8BMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 19:22:27 -0700 (PDT) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Tiger article Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It's a month away from the second annual Boston Cup concours, and Boston Common magazine this month includes a story this month about a few of the entrants, chief among them Emily Rooney and her late father Andy Rooney's recently restored B3820. She sent me the following link: http://bostoncommon-magazine.com/living/articles/boston-cup-enthusiasts-talk-dream-cars By the way, first email from new Mac, old one retired last week after ten years. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 09:18:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BCA40439 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:18:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE77840403 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:16:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D238D7008E59C for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.146]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A5807E000081 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:16:15 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:16:15 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377184575; bh=RHEdz/b3l9Zd42wqAVvxyZqwdNlUUTEdXOE+kvxzPfE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wHOWQC2l1/gkgj4LlXXlVINfEGEyco7Ji0zNUa7O6yRawxNLI8pF6aiyGtu6+Assj XoB8e6z1cJabOkFoAy7oc0spSTVjhs1Wk2sG3nVaN/4F8thrIOxunDtDvy3jTipEZ7 l/eMHuqAjihLpq7JBCNQXwjTlLP1EyMQ5YGiMk2I= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b52162b3f5e7e Subject: [Tigers] Hood scoops Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Looking for a metal hood scoop that will fit over the stock Tiger air cleaner. There are plenty of plastic and fiberglass models, but having a hard time finding one in metal. Any ideas? Thanks, Mark L _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 09:33:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3855940403 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:33:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997F240403 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:28:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id u10so1846884lbi.14 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 08:28:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=uVjSjuWIYyHO0Eg7noNIC6n5Jl11q5G6fQ+9zsQ9BwI=; b=aai9P7G0BACAs6kmqLgb493TZ+xwl1S1QbiM6odq19mIHMjsztOUuvLJ8YOTKKj6Gx +YbES6SbK5E88aGSGq61KllatrEmpmE3z55vCPQtxtfqJzpzI4UOfkpNzd3uJJmGM5ou 9opTFMfxXteLbE7UbPvGoTq1gBQr0HgUNF+f+Sp1A9hg1T66MQzJwO77zJ3KIniaWn+2 hY8p9ytfu3C5+fucRrpetCNX7TxCsVn78rUKut2Ken381JEDK1Q91iLU+0qUwchPVPHH uh50CIYRcp/C2Y2zOSN7mR8GEVeMQeX9/A4z4GJLYNgCeUcr0+mC3BbsUq4p8e1YB9AS Zj8Q== a3mr1344117laf.45.1377185301806; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 08:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 08:27:51 -0700 (PDT) References: <5377c.21691d71.3f47853f@aol.com> From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:27:51 -0400 To: CoolVT@aol.com Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood scoops Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Local trade school with metal working program or any serious bike builders near you who craft their own tanks and fenders? I'd ask who might own an English Wheel, that's your man. You might also check out scoops for other cars from the past, find a junk hood for one of those and cut it out. You could also consider a raised hood cowl design, turn it around backwards and cut it to suit your application. search on eBay under "Metal Hood Scoop", several come up. Michael Shortt On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:16 AM, wrote: > Looking for a metal hood scoop that will fit over the stock Tiger air > cleaner. There are plenty of plastic and fiberglass models, but having a > hard > time finding one in metal. Any ideas? > Thanks, Mark L > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com > > > -- Michael L. 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Thank you _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 13:44:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3840B40522 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 13:44:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm33-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm33-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E9E40416 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 13:38:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.56] by nm33.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2013 19:38:13 -0000 Received: from [216.39.61.238] by tm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2013 19:38:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1073.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2013 19:38:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 3686 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2013 19:38:13 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377200293; bh=KrIO0P0PcA9cyPIXOsxkSxgPV6jpS4DBxkbQc1kvIu0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=A0qX2ZM2nzT9AG1gtnFGapeoB+vnB6AdC6xXfKeYLbWbOsFqkPuWccAX5wpID8FGrEUSWmyqG1+GwYfi2h3GGjGPwDb4F40bGlnGnT7BmPZt5irSmfeXn0hLSrFYycoxy+NfTPEemYCdjHpxL01fLAYkLG1IKa9Fswf+RMldJgA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OU2E1ZcvmSLC7NttytFfl+g9RB/YJkHxJNj7QQSbuw6S1d2+XQy8d3yaioPjHXmYcJiXSPrJH2TzedsAAz4qmaxkG3yPjj7Pl5uM3CKBXZyGR5XSouDOypIy358A97BgME2bQOnYZu9oRST5X3Tu3lD6FpBxQx7yWdnRpXXZX0Q=; UC2T4TYRuzqQuS8JSyijdp9pD.1dJpFkY473syQqos1K1yrUOWkBgSHR6qnN j7GiRnVHC7KQTE_pvMy97LxMOAGw4onQcq82Ek26O7LLHBYMy1rLm0y1.Uwn Ow9HZQpdoGHJ9ajZg2Y3lgc5cUmzUQFs8ALjp4m40Ti3FWDf0bdmpWosyy3a G47W.Nq7Jtt_oLurDCla0gMs1.eJcxBIK.KpDq0bcIF515hCFPlgMsrN4Jzi pl4c8KEq_Hju5UmsIKKizzuqhRO.4dbPeM.3R1uvgj9m7acJe2axaRCzosEW gPKhfderuVWFQpWENJ4wfLFl9zPUdwNllKe1WuMXDFac1iGn6p1bCUBTNK5A oLmW5LtUmLsRQITApEGM97P2hl_oaLekZ6l2VHgPb0X9kQxUfkUTXjx9Xn8P _Hy7ORNAwSdPL1GWfn83kewAhAndxMkVp4XSG3Wy7F36jqFdHPTGcM8u.AuZ zbJBdpOrmAuKLt2iaqIJMFKtukUO1kwdNrglnamatsd3QC8QkCz1K.GFBjlL O7KsiZ2O_RHYyYLHGGLj_sVLtnCBOoEnlLPBIT1OkQx2Oa5CaSr2vZQZS124 NdJcpmz.yFsfY2HOrUx8z7BQ2odsTEA9uTIPg7jWyonuZiFiLiKfBgw-- Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:38:13 PDT wqDCoMKgwqAKwqAKRm9yZCBtYWRlIDIgc3RhcnRlcnMgZm9yIHRoZSAyNjBcMjg5LCBhbiBhdXRvbWF0aWMgdmVyc2lvbiBhbmQgYSBtYW51YWwgdmVyc2lvbi4KwqAKVGhlIEZvcmQgc3RhcnRlciBmb3IgdGhlIFRpZ2VyIGZseXdoZWVsIHVzZXMgdGhlIGF1dG9tYXRpYyB2ZXJzaW9uLsKgIE90aGVyIDI2MC8yODkgZmx5d2hlZWxzIHVzZWQgdGhlIG1hbnVhbCB2ZXJzaW9uLsKgIFNlZSB0aGUgYXR0YWNoZWQgbGluayBmb3IgdGhlIGRpZmZlcmVuY2VzLsKgIEkgaGFkIGFub3RoZXIgbGluayB0byB0aGUgRm8BMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:38:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Ford=5CTiger_Starters_=E2=80=93_Lesson_Learned?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net B B B B B Ford made 2 starters for the 260\289, an automatic version and a manual version. B The Ford starter for the Tiger flywheel uses the automatic version.B Other 260/289 flywheels used the manual version.B See the attached link for the differences.B I had another link to the Ford starter pictures but cannot seem to find it. B http://www.bcbroncos.com/ford%20starters.pdf B You can use our original Ford starter with SS headers but removal would require removing the passenger side header. Not an option in my book. B World Power Starter (WPS) makes a nice Hi-Torque starter that is smaller than original that does not require removing the one header to get it out and is priced around $70.B B Part number 3241N fits thenon Tiger flywheel used on Mustangs etc with manual transmissions if you swapped in a 289 non Tiger\Ford motor with the corresponding flywheel. B Part number 3268N fits the stock Tiger flywheel used on Tigers 260\289 with manual transmissions. This is considered the bautomaticb starter that was used on Tigers due to the flywheel. B This starter can also be used on the Tigerbs with a swapped in 289 and flywheel from a Mustang or similar but requires a B Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD3240530 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:21:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f46.google.com (mail-yh0-f46.google.com [209.85.213.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EB44003B for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:15:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f46.google.com with SMTP id l109so718527yhq.33 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:15:16 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=p74nZTlfNc326N8mdtYs2MR7JbN7aMNeeDG7Hkexi2k=; b=kRuCfvLO/cIC8PX/8A4aD3a8cce4ZAWxvRj2HedO76xmSqiYtaBnxreYNd8dgroeZY fvt4abfmpWqeiDhBOyc2hAINdg/lgwCKGD9SWv7cpHOS1V3eHRiRLlcHn3IjYati063A zerdGA2lWeuaa6SnFF5cPsd68KD4x7YGqRzXPDqM+DbGOyrmXX7MzK9nmUOnKcmpmT2g NjnnudBjhyVwYgCN2aCjbnCwGgxvOMEWCNdh7Szh5EvIiGweeZw5N7j57yajcR0Q/bM8 1+05aM55Aak1ekbu2xNxyHejy1bnmj1coccqpnaT8omUAZfqfXY9nwAvw6nPAiMtJXQF 29aw== z22mr12768695yhh.52.1377213316472; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (adsl-184-38-179-188.msy.bellsouth.net. [184.38.179.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e65sm17122409yhc.18.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:15:14 -0500 From: "A. C." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: snakebit289 , tigers@autox.team.net References: <1377138147.26172.YahooMailNeo@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger article Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Nice car.........and legs. A. C. Tynes On 8/21/2013 9:22 PM, snakebit289 wrote: > It's a month away from the second annual Boston Cup concours, and Boston Common magazine this month includes a story this month about a few of the entrants, chief among them Emily Rooney and her late father Andy Rooney's recently restored B3820. She sent me the following link: > http://bostoncommon-magazine.com/living/articles/boston-cup-enthusiasts-talk-dream-cars > > > By the way, first email from new Mac, old one retired last week after ten years. > > Rande Bellman > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 17:53:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A454052D for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D94440043 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Fzhv1m0020QkzPwA4zoRpn; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 23:48:25 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FzoR1m00b2xZMJ48NzoRQF; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 23:48:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 23:48:25 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: "A. C." s=q20121106; t=1377215305; bh=41iuojEMcDIzhWcftX3810fq3ercOQgbg4rRok5lFKk=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=r6+ME2nCdVTiALA5yL62PiLx2bC6IN0UlDS+h76rlf1fYm6LwIDP/Os9d+tR4f5GZ vfjebZ15V1bPmcZqtLBCFL16flVjpEivyzgxPN72JZegWNtoOxd7I6VYaoClHWimo2 lEOxxEGO4w2fV/ertfOZcWMrUSPA/SYIqek/E8Nyh9bRsYm5q+iHt5AdtPvABUpPGQ 4afiwJUGeYsfccflkuQXlcYU+Wx9+xMaYDSxuKck5vN5Q42sks2X8Ec6k/lLFAoYKL Dge6HpYhfPIRRQStpYkTkLcYCjI8pCq/n/EJ8Lq7bEC9hf3k9/XxMrLeJsTtItLasF f56zl/8PKOKEw== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger article Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Uh, yeah.. like WOW... oh yeah, the car is nice too... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: A. C. To: snakebit289 , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 23:15:14 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger article Nice car.........and legs. A. C. Tynes On 8/21/2013 9:22 PM, snakebit289 wrote: > It's a month away from the second annual Boston Cup concours, and Boston Common magazine this month includes a story this month about a few of the entrants, chief among them Emily Rooney and her late father Andy Rooney's recently restored B3820. She sent me the following link: > http://bostoncommon-magazine.com/living/articles/boston-cup-enthusiasts-talk- dream-cars > > > By the way, first email from new Mac, old one retired last week after ten years. > > Rande Bellman > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 18:44:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118F440537 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:44:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f44.google.com (mail-oa0-f44.google.com [209.85.219.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0DD40403 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:44:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id l20so5003866oag.31 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:44:33 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gb6p6/UmDURsBQFojjvB5F+BrJwlKOu4Zm+rMHs1+eo=; b=BO3jUkyBrc95yfOG3rfLeeMQEF+7gcRQuzoO18XdX9nM1NzDSjlGWpk5MualrPqGBs ceuvxRfJqnMYBiCaaNWiVWgLOfRLHSlG4IaH6T7X0FAd0xGuZlOuEx3C/5qr5ZlA2rsr T7SUlqTlgT/OpltDZwFgCfKqBLu+tPx+PGUWANKYvutOJe9Wg4WnMQcsdL4hYn3H5vyc zoFqMrn0h2Mk9UGEYECO6ywxZ4aVorWteN57hyMKz3eCnUTb2t7GcgmmVhl9gtjcMlc8 miDHfkN/DXOuAq3iGxtVOXl5HivIpTnaLrI2atStB9B+uikI3aaK8n5eiui0kQ/fdWPq 1vHA== db12mr5707115oeb.81.1377218673736; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.34.196 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:44:33 -0700 (PDT) References: <5377c.21691d71.3f47853f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:44:33 +1000 From: michael king To: "CoolVT@aol.com" Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood scoops Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mark, when you say fit over the stock tiger air cleaner.. i'm a little confused... Is the stock cleaner touching the bonnet? If so it will touch the extremities before it touches the center of the bonnet where the hoods go... if you needed one to clear the "width" of the cleaner.. that would be a VERY WIDE scoop. is this a thing for looks.. or to solve a clearance issue? On 23 August 2013 01:16, wrote: > Looking for a metal hood scoop that will fit over the stock Tiger air > cleaner. There are plenty of plastic and fiberglass models, but having a > hard > time finding one in metal. Any ideas? > Thanks, Mark L > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 18:54:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842434041B for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A8F40403 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:51:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0715C700C9BA4; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.146]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CB9F8E000082; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:51:36 -0400 (EDT) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:51:36 -0400 (EDT) To: michael.s.king@gmail.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377219096; bh=Ua10gWjYJolfsHmKaLpxDXqrTV7PawbFLPSy/yudLw0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lO6aDG3svkoLZ1uItnRd4K8vbZfe4ai2zZ8jIEXf9VshUalbxrzwlQc4k99uDnLuW yemPBgOpfAIpi2RoBYkedwORCk1ATwnBzQ4pgDoVhV1hkVzz+KBmVB31358EvjPuWn 26tRQ1dBhsKuLl2nolFXzpwKGQwq8vziKbdkh3aA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c95216b218123b Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood scoops Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It's a clearance issue. The air cleaner is about 16" wide so I need a scoop at least that wide. Mark In a message dated 8/22/2013 8:44:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael.s.king@gmail.com writes: Mark, when you say fit over the stock tiger air cleaner.. i'm a little confused... Is the stock cleaner touching the bonnet? If so it will touch the extremities before it touches the center of the bonnet where the hoods go... if you needed one to clear the "width" of the cleaner.. that would be a VERY WIDE scoop. is this a thing for looks.. or to solve a clearance issue? On 23 August 2013 01:16, <_CoolVT@aol.com_ (mailto:CoolVT@aol.com) > wrote: Looking for a metal hood scoop that will fit over the stock Tiger air cleaner. There are plenty of plastic and fiberglass models, but having a hard time finding one in metal. Any ideas? Thanks, Mark L _______________________________________________ _tigers@autox.team.net_ (mailto:tigers@autox.team.net) Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 19:02:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628FB4043E for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 19:02:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A107D40416 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 19:02:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 63C5E70000097; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mld005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mld005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.122.83]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 15910E000085; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:02:51 -0400 (EDT) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:02:51 -0400 (EDT) To: CoolVT@aol.com, michael.s.king@gmail.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377219771; bh=MR6RHIJZIAX+ERt5pfcydufSQP35urnEPAsWMdpKOnE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oNiwDR08BrvpJ+sOjIRY1WP+CRcOJeWjKPYZpegmSIU7tnBfgMEm5jeKv9MawBi4v klBnjJRPwo0ZCnnAiFDOQkITuYxhOmdFpJx6Baz+lQNmbmyxHZ/fvn5l19Lfjgnekh LKsvgoJF88BV+cR02GIZFeFk7rq6rGoW7DasMUr8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca5216b4bb1e5e Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood scoops Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I can't imagine an ots (off the shelf) scoop that wouldn't look really awkward. It might make sense to talk to someone like a Steve Alcala about doing some type of "power bulge", such as MG used to fit the six cylinder in the MGC? In a message dated 8/22/2013 5:54:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, CoolVT@aol.com writes: It's a clearance issue. The air cleaner is about 16" wide so I need a scoop at least that wide. Mark In a message dated 8/22/2013 8:44:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael.s.king@gmail.com writes: Mark, when you say fit over the stock tiger air cleaner.. i'm a little confused... Is the stock cleaner touching the bonnet? If so it will touch the extremities before it touches the center of the bonnet where the hoods go... if you needed one to clear the "width" of the cleaner.. that would be a VERY WIDE scoop. is this a thing for looks.. or to solve a clearance issue? On 23 August 2013 01:16, <_CoolVT@aol.com_ (mailto:CoolVT@aol.com) > wrote: Looking for a metal hood scoop that will fit over the stock Tiger air cleaner. There are plenty of plastic and fiberglass models, but having a hard time finding one in metal. Any ideas? Thanks, Mark L _______________________________________________ _tigers@autox.team.net_ (mailto:tigers@autox.team.net) Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 21:14:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D58440543 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:14:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5FC40425 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id j6so177109oag.14 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:13:32 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=KqrulrM9wOACYWCVlRU1cUQfEeKIQjFrr+VZdYAIpwk=; b=bN2BcwefB1zt52Y2r4oCjiR/mAq+feE47UbcCB35qEBs86Ue8GdNUHuBHlxHc4OJyQ pDTnNe//+EAZcQFkV7e9LRWH1hFKoPODUxNyuT5lqMpNbEpkQXjUQuJt/QsfEYxzbdaO zfFATpAP8J20ANPlzuhSkhMg0WBUUqWudqsQumP+sVuKUHY+3LDqvl4HBJZZOqGygtrU qlRUx3P/u3iQOwmB2KpDI+isC1XhVQXJYnNoZ23oTsEQSNs1IuJo0+4FsDscPP0HDPFs Gg53jyXyVSGilFi8/CqpVb7/cmLkslaOQ5C8PTtEIPiHtuBUZ6SpvcvDs1n+WfO9mwLU EUJg== da5mr18168409oeb.29.1377227612791; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.34.196 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:13:32 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:13:32 +1000 From: michael king To: "CoolVT@aol.com" Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood scoops Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In New Zealand mal has rebuilt his tiger and added a large "buldge" in the rear of the bonnet.. might be worth a look, he got it off a donor bonnet: http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r64/kiwimal/ST/e1dee0d3.jpg http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r64/kiwimal/ST/a818686d.jpg http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r64/kiwimal/ST/142bfeb2.jpg http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r64/kiwimal/ST/252fc582.jpg http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r64/kiwimal/ST/47787d67.jpg http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r64/kiwimal/ST/254d7c9b.jpg On 23 August 2013 10:51, wrote: > ** > *It's a clearance issue. The air cleaner is about 16" wide so I need a > scoop at least that wide.* > *Mark* > > In a message dated 8/22/2013 8:44:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > michael.s.king@gmail.com writes: > > Mark, > > when you say fit over the stock tiger air cleaner.. i'm a little > confused... Is the stock cleaner touching the bonnet? If so it will touch > the extremities before it touches the center of the bonnet where the hoods > go... if you needed one to clear the "width" of the cleaner.. that would be > a VERY WIDE scoop. > > is this a thing for looks.. or to solve a clearance issue? > > > On 23 August 2013 01:16, wrote: > >> Looking for a metal hood scoop that will fit over the stock Tiger air >> cleaner. There are plenty of plastic and fiberglass models, but having >> a hard >> time finding one in metal. Any ideas? >> Thanks, Mark L >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 23 08:56:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A8840450 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 08:56:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB0940403 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 08:50:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2013 14:50:49 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.250] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2013 14:50:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1059.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2013 14:50:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 85015 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2013 14:50:48 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377269448; bh=T+nJDtfhDSGM5cMQfRju38EJbN1A5DUYEVDI9BNgCTU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PIdV8xP8B5J9CT9FdC3LVR9StB+Nm4oDNG0MeEKXh30IXq8SLEnFRbfMr4fSgkrpwkHfaUqk4Vaq4O2IClAUxISFF7uRkkWNLNq0+Ae2lNkR6cHA1lZH5/VpzB0FpmRbaAmATmxnZuHYOX2t18uuJ9pmMJOa4d+7VrVHvfSlmnE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VvUcTfy2eFERac4o5/P2xJy6qhYAJ/AXQLso+n0xBm/RrWNsrpyS10HBakJWSpa6hJZtVhAqn2zwXLWxvXk0epWlUvkoMCHyr3XXvw/LBXqb4F09N37ZARTmJ0BYWpGasDLUq4WCzv5lK+oMd6DBuyV8EQL8Ukor9KMPENhzzQ4=; Kn8v4iq14OveVj_WiRjP90ap6kVzKEqCOqikjCNpPS0MGv28SRxmy2SMTF6i KbtyMcsG5SGti4hj1ioCtV.p19tfadFmtMkdgIrWru3ri3j3ETvHVMAPzrPn 934QOj8aSu_7GviqAhr84F.PLdFM3PRZr_LS.hb4yKm4Vp.VgwTukx2L_UoJ wqLoHQO0gft1XDNdmBecGU.6S6Ud8a23BeToWBHZHeyWUTDIYT1X6v1XX9a3 A4IAKgHVWM7rjSs.AzGSjTZXH9sZBTLqYsHPD7VSD5L0vI_pTryk26h_gHDj 7iyG1Q0JIwhQCAJ.T182DrGG47jWOoBZgB_1pJnXusAJ8dpc_2RR8XcZ8TqQ uYghdBMfAxtUE_PlI7Cal7yyB13dXZkdv.ps0FxtZnfryZRZLwnFIxjbQOPA 3foOndxF42t7gYcqHZP5bKGXoIiWYG5C7C27lHPeDipvelqdg4WnIIYnGhoq IbTsF8LVR2fP2nk5XmiNNJY_C4CLIGrKw5KTfE3ok9LKSCWQ9QtV9unAxkBp x0S86FkYoI05k5AUy2PwdAWKty03A9gyuYgA- Received: from [216.26.116.22] by web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:50:48 PDT Ckp1c3Qgd29uZGVyZWQgaWYgdGhlcmUgYXJlIGFueSBUaWdlciBvd25lcnMgbG9jYXRlZCBpbiB0aGUgTWFkaXNvbiBhcmVhPyBXaWxsIGJlIGhlcmUgZm9yIGEgZmV3IG1vcmUgZGF5cyBhbmQgd291bGQgZW5qb3kgYSBicmllZiBnZXQtdG9nZXRoZXIuCgpUZXJyeSBQYWNrZXIKOTQ3MDAxOAoBMAEBAQE- References: <1375752456.10748.YahooMailNeo@web161002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Packer To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Madison, Wisconsin? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just wondered if there are any Tiger owners located in the Madison area? Will be here for a few more days and would enjoy a brief get-together. Terry Packer 9470018 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 23 09:59:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D1840C01 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.ufl.edu (smtp-prod01.osg.ufl.edu [128.227.74.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A293D4054E for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:57:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from UFEXCH-CASHT05.ad.ufl.edu ([10.253.27.146]) by smtp.ufl.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/3.0.0) with ESMTP id r7NFvguC010805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:57:44 -0400 Received: from UFEXCH-CASHT06.ad.ufl.edu (10.253.27.147) by UFEXCH-CASHT05.ad.ufl.edu (10.253.27.146) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.123.3; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:57:43 -0400 Received: from AHC-CAS01.ad.ufl.edu (10.18.251.58) by UFEXCH-CASHT06.ad.ufl.edu (10.253.27.147) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.123.3; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:57:43 -0400 Received: from AHC-MB04.ad.ufl.edu ([fe80::9cf9:a9b0:5cb2:e988]) by AHC-CAS01.ad.ufl.edu ([fe80::10b4:62c8:e820:af8b%22]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:57:43 -0400 From: "Bates,Robert E Jr" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: weather strip Thread-Index: Ac6gGYAqrseI14wHQJm0NW5dq6PqEQ== Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:57:42 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.253.27.147] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.3176-7.000.1014-20102.000 x-tm-as-result: No--34.124200-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-23_04:2013-08-23,2013-08-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=1 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308230050 Subject: [Tigers] weather strip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all who responded about my weather strip question. With your help I now have it figured out. Bob _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 06:12:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC3F40448 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 06:12:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ivic0.sogetel.net (pop3.ivic.qc.ca [66.187.114.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459A640359 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 06:07:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ip160.125-126-74.sogetel.net ([74.126.125.160] helo=D7F0WHF1) by ivic0.sogetel.net with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VDCcW-0000Wo-Ln for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:07:08 -0400 From: "denis mercier" To: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:07:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 5 speed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi All. I spoke yesterday with Dan Williams from Top Loader Transmissions and he told me is working on top loader 5speed with the original case. Denis. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 07:47:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2055240537 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 07:47:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.127]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C21403A0 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 07:46:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.63] by nm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2013 13:46:47 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.204] by tm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2013 13:46:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2013 13:46:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377352007; bh=7QjsXgygJVg6xedj8Ze+AbZozckiie2Gi95jgBMZ3bU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=L2jeriNHXiZSkLwiqgLy7ls4ErXkzF3kZlSWbp483etW65LRamYoFJ71ecFJMXpVn4JomVB2fgID8I0GKNtT0w5VYhTYJIRxkmUbCmgr2XdNT+t1kTrjcU+l4Gqr5gUu+M/qSkGH1lP0FbGQ9e9fMfcUUsoASefvtoJYMOFlwFI= 5UholmWwUgy5Tebn3u2AxrgO9IWJkNLMWOwAuwWE_V5lZ_YMzUW25TavBV1u WxL5iO1pAocZ.AnwKf1RQPkAMEEEY2NA6X1bvZNsW4.FPmhWkdbq.zsIwjUg 01u97ZO9w7xi119PXG1txYwdHJTe9IJrNRQexSPP8g8_YXhjOUtRr4ZOu_I1 q1wUD9c1LUBpoO2hqiUyBjdP1TR8LJlHlyl.iw0UDtkiYM9S2Yuw2agaMpJA BX7aIkOpmXXn6kteyonAmosArpySz6h2roEpudBUfWKx_4oPc5ZKSxH7JmKQ MpsJevtQKwrnKTj.rqebG.s1cF_tyeAywW0IyM9SVYi2kb4V2qqMvsFOPsHM DbhdnFcu2FfiprOe1pomNN9i5_somC295Q_QnbXBYwJYWiYYcuTrNJdksJF1 lEvWCPTmnP_fM.fyqlRyT8pMUzsrCjj5CcwYstca5RhH07BkMBrJemhlybe_ w0JyfW6zJfsRCFQBKCW8RrgtwZ6gdNL.vX5Gi5HGnJIjAIzU6kn0H9QIH8ES FV1ZQGR5GM0OKKKZNldf_VpX1jl4mKkyHeVJGueNq smtp215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2013 06:46:47 -0700 PDT Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:46:58 -0500 From: TtT To: denis mercier , tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 5 speed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net a 5 speed in a stock case ---that would be in demand. I wonder what one will cost? Be great to own a bullet proof 5 speed in stock form. Sent from Huawei Mobile denis mercier wrote: >Hi All. >I spoke yesterday with Dan Williams from Top Loader Transmissions and he told >me is working on top loader 5speed with the original case. >Denis. >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 08:01:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C9C40448 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:01:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.hughes.net (smtp.hughes.net [69.168.97.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F002403A0 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 07:58:26 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=lf1fAfbbVk2erlkRUez9FA==:117 a=lf1fAfbbVk2erlkRUez9FA==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=bIVlh2vrpGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=pOfvU1qiAAAA:8 a=UhEAeDQUu8EA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=WICHd0ZI60VF70pBinMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=T7dl6hF01GMA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.hughes.cmh.synacor.com header.from=jimmc13@hughes.net; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.hughes.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=jimmc13@hughes.net; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.hughes.cmh.synacor.com smtp.user=jimmc13@hughes.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 184.53.79.249 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hughes.net) Received: from [184.53.79.249] ([184.53.79.249:1123] helo=RedBudAdminPC) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPA id 8B/CA-29017-BFBB8125; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 09:58:25 -0400 From: "jimmc13" To: "'denis mercier'" , References: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:58:19 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6gw0jBWu3WTuveQG29z4Gs4iPTrAADkSMA Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 5 speed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Denis, This could be very good news. My trans is an HEH-E and I am having an ongoing debate about wide versus close ratio while the drive train is out. Jim B382000175 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of denis mercier Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:07 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 5 speed Hi All. I spoke yesterday with Dan Williams from Top Loader Transmissions and he told me is working on top loader 5speed with the original case. Denis. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimmc13@hughes.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 10:52:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C68840519 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:52:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ivic0.sogetel.net (pop3.ivic.qc.ca [66.187.114.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE5C403A7 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:52:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ip160.125-126-74.sogetel.net ([74.126.125.160] helo=D7F0WHF1) by ivic0.sogetel.net with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VDH4Q-0003rC-Fm; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:52:14 -0400 From: "denis mercier" To: "jimmc13" , References: <598B7CC4A6B04F81893F741CB4BA3B1D@RedBudAdminPC> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:52:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 5 speed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jim. One month after i finished the restauration and used my Tiger i changed the close ratio for wide ratio gear set, it's realy more pleasant to drive. But a transmission with overdrive would be better.......... Denis. B382000926LRXFE ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimmc13" To: "'denis mercier'" ; Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 9:58 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger 5 speed > Denis, > This could be very good news. My trans is an HEH-E and I am having an > ongoing debate about wide versus close ratio while the drive train is out. > Jim > B382000175 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of denis mercier > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:07 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 5 speed > > Hi All. > I spoke yesterday with Dan Williams from Top Loader Transmissions and he > told > me is working on top loader 5speed with the original case. > Denis. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimmc13@hughes.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 15:34:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5A440536 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:34:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6849A4032C for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:34:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id ib11so1298015vcb.28 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:34:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=d7SPif9FTwfLWJlBk6h/LSC7KeAJ1dgSupnzEz28nS0=; b=vnzGCRmolIg2JM95HcBZfaSI+2lmdklqSXGba7hJLjp2B8DvRIq5V5/C2tHljuXyHc lKZ6bNHapugVAZvVt/ooaSQXrcy/9LL+fS3OUaGoXQmm62mMvlWxfjGHRroAXXUWD7QG 1WxUiDlTD5/Ub8OwbGwSc3UztwbQFo3oLL/3ofo8fyYw/g8H8Aq/pNyYd3qGPhmfc99q NsUfYWQ1T7BJfTqQF8uhIhbAdZdiceSh2V4rb0cr8buKTDaIph+CExQilHTQZnNWL/71 n+yth3woVEKZaE4w8m00sTzFOJUgR8b9/R49wtAq30fKk3b4NF2QOLYafefU1J8Bl9mS ST6w== ct10mr6439193vcb.14.1377380049317; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.175.38 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.175.38 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:34:09 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:34:09 -0400 From: Chip Broadbooks To: denis mercier Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 5 speed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dan rebuilt mine with his "racing" package. I am very pleased with it. I want to say I am running at 75mph @ 3000rpms in 4th. When I spoke to him on the phone, he said, "Bring it over and we will take a look at it." What I didn't realize was "we" was he and I. Super nice guy. On Aug 24, 2013 8:12 AM, "denis mercier" wrote: > Hi All. > I spoke yesterday with Dan Williams from Top Loader Transmissions and he > told > me is working on top loader 5speed with the original case. > Denis. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/chip.broadbooks@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 09:23:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BB6403EB for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:23:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D34A4032A for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.174] by nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2013 15:17:56 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.243] by tm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2013 15:17:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1052.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2013 15:17:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 56778 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2013 15:17:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377443876; bh=fORnmjwZdfPbWFP8lcRXBfhpMqSTNl/QyFHUwIZ6a5k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Bwagfx97ughiHWFhQlTblqTQ1tNRZ0BbUPWY2a+NoO6ffigfJ3xVLZJZ6AtSh0i029gYOyrhk0fB1KHSmRSXS/1cCIcpGiy7lH/rZ6CH70yzV7Ao2ta1DRzqPQaOXcirZS/T9nxmozpd9mdsg22MAftgQz2R4fCMMgK/N5pYJd4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4Qm8xksJECvlxTd2xDni5qIbIb+o9DArJU0KATVmPqtIJheSD3DCiLlH8HfJSzPtSZkCNQDp2OtqVq+cql7p0N5UWtSw028e+NEzf6B4lN/W6CnmUnHt4S3LmkFsphT+bmBGX6pJ87/JgnEFzZDXgPCLTtABZ2iTbCvpDCd0fBg=; CAF.PN8fGzVDjMMIXomXwJPpdI2aVk8n4bpayFmE9puciuRq.VpFEdk6VDjG 4esM7BbwDHDtyYss0zWybQ6efhsroJV.HpNzxZjbJBGOUIRqYHc1mDtK3pX0 EWm_zVotYXuTaOrjIbTySmEqwi_Y4EG0PzcMQTFp7yxNif4iU1ONyxDQf3qv mB35YqiBLXEA51auk.WjUP9Nk0JkZlnkI6HxU4vWZvoPlNtNNczHANhoYYwy x2TPppQaKWzN.AgRTNRrVRMk9MvbpRhpAU4OquaGKXzRZU7AKpnXsgM0Wf2H TsS1Bh.pKRdt792N2EH6dOQNy9TqwNvekvOfwOFwo2mtCP6C9AnyIkBMvjP7 IKRQhiPNR2UoEpF6Jb6Wog6P4oW6IT8Fd9rK_h8i8yTbmT.vuMbGARGtGMpV 1slP_dwX3bWk5rwLjl7GxeIJMVC0hMnwlYSyIbusz53tyIlPGez6gyc6_yMJ OG0sjqPn8zx6PD0Y7fPBwoRw05LCicTejxRz9kaaIZaB4lC4zrKH3pA-- Received: from [173.48.171.26] by web161002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 08:17:56 PDT TWljaGFlbCwKSSBrbm93IEknbSBsYXRlIHRvIHRoZSBwYXJ0eSBoZXJlLCBidXQgdGhlIG1vZGlmaWVkIGhvb2QgdGhhdCB5b3Ugc2VudCBwaWN0dXJlcyBvZiB0aGlzIHdlZWsgaXMgcHJvYmFibHkgdGhlIG5pY2VzdCBtb2RpZmllZCBUaWdlciBvbmUgdGhhdCBJJ3ZlIHNlZW4sIHdpdGggdGhlIExBVCBob29kIGNvbWluZyBpbiBzZWNvbmQuIEkga25vdyB0aGUgbWFuaG91cnMgdG8gcHJvZHVjZSB0aG9zZSBtb2RpZmljYXRpb25zIG11c3QgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIGV4Y2Vzc2l2ZSwgYnV0IEkgYmV0IHRoZSBwb3ABMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 08:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: snakebit289 To: "michael.s.king@gmail.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Tiger hood scoop pix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Michael, I know I'm late to the party here, but the modified hood that you sent pictures of this week is probably the nicest modified Tiger one that I've seen, with the LAT hood coming in second. I know the manhours to produce those modifications must have been excessive, but I bet the popularity would be high if the seller could keep the cost affordable somehow. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 13:45:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB0C403E4 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:45:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net (txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12746403D4 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:43:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Roscrea ([74.196.108.150]) by txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.01.08 201-2343-100-153-20121108) with ESMTP id <20130825184302.OOKN3645.txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net@Roscrea> for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:43:02 -0500 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "Tiger Autox" Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:43:21 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6hy1WLzaYnIzgvQy2QJln089CPOQ== Content-Language: en-us cv=8HAqJifFC5chs1BDAP32/8F2CJbitqFd2jxjhl6FM10= c=1 sm=0 a=xzW3HwPJiLYA:10 a=VPHkNMUpP2kA:10 a=s8wEJDijpDTLkl6r6igA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=nLCxTp6rgOMA:10 a=K93IdFh6z1oA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=jYhLC6LGfR5y3QTanGAA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: [Tigers] YouTube video Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net OK, Tiger/Alpinedom, I need some help. I have finished a 1hr. video on how I overhauled the Girling Servo unit. I'm going to upload to YouTube, but I would like help in selecting the categories where to put the video. Of course "Autos" would be the first category, but after that what would be the best, to get it easily to all that might be interested or wanted to see it. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC insp. #58 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 15:30:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8764040D for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:30:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF72400A5 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:30:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 18AA4700EC917 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqa002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqa002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.211.197]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E1A23E000087 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:30:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:30:03 -0400 (EDT) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377552604; bh=DkNwpYRAHlEjv0/fflkfyTGp8bACdRv0hypaP7vF2AM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tHuB3RO2Zgh5hnZLFoweEZ3v/WAmRDl4M/LsCpYuuT8IOSG2wwLm9bR3AGoT3LE0M ZE2Y1nF1TU09ZHOzzFzwbvfsqzkj+OaLq3IXGlV6KFhBPd5o3ttUYhJUU42pX09I4p 6ufkK5Tl44s/l9R2TauycgzTdu43S+ACH3WsxAeY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca521bc8db6433 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 294 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Simply putt; Girling servo rebuild Jim Armstrong In a message dated 8/26/2013 2:05:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tigers-request@autox.team.net writes: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. YouTube video (Jerry Mo Christopherson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:43:21 -0500 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "Tiger Autox" Subject: [Tigers] YouTube video OK, Tiger/Alpinedom, I need some help. I have finished a 1hr. video on how I overhauled the Girling Servo unit. I'm going to upload to YouTube, but I would like help in selecting the categories where to put the video. Of course "Autos" would be the first category, but after that what would be the best, to get it easily to all that might be interested or wanted to see it. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC insp. #58 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tigers mailing list Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers End of Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 294 ************************************** _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 18:59:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BE340324 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:59:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE94B400A5 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:59:35 -0600 (MDT) a=WhpsXjL1msgmZzB5swHTqQ==:17 a=q8St3IHLEcgA:10 a=NlRDJxucmZ0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=fvyjQTzjwnsA:10 a=s2ESWgJ4AAAA:8 a=fHc5sA61WRzFmtx-wogA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=WhpsXjL1msgmZzB5swHTqQ==:117 Received: from [71.76.47.250] ([71.76.47.250:51945] helo=EricGPC) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0E/38-11231-5F9FB125; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 00:59:33 +0000 From: "Eric Gibeaut" To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:59:44 -0400 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac6SOup6V6DYYMgoR0e1ci+Wf8TxOQQhY5SQ Subject: [Tigers] TE/AE United Registration has been extended Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Rootes Group Enthusiasts, We've had a great response to this year's United XXXII in St. Michaels, Md. As of today, we have over 130 people and 60+ cars attending. This is a reminder that if you plan to join us for this year's event, get those registrations in. We've been able to extend the early registration rates at the hotel until September 9th or until the block of rooms is sold out. We'll also honor the early United registration rates until September 9th. Because of overwhelming interest in the Chesapeake Cruise, we are now sold out. You can register online at: http://www.rootesamerica.org _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 10:42:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7141F40450 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:42:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txofep02.suddenlink.net (txofep02.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC4740410 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:41:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Roscrea ([74.196.108.150]) by txofep02.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.01.08 201-2343-100-153-20121108) with ESMTP id <20130828164111.CFWN18271.txofep02.suddenlink.net@Roscrea> for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:41:11 -0500 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "Tiger Autox" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:41:15 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6kDWmF2aQANf8PSXe65cvFkEb4sg== Content-Language: en-us cv=WB5BvUKMbX9rB/oSkoO/Mgcwacf+3heYaLyR6o1d2Cc= c=1 sm=0 a=xzW3HwPJiLYA:10 a=VPHkNMUpP2kA:10 a=jJrOw3FHAAAA:8 a=3C1dUmaRn_jCyCss8UsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=FU4QsWcZpzsA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=-SjMK9EspgsA:10 a=Yk-04imn5iIA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=olUNH2LYx0EVgkIFUFIA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: [Tigers] The Girling Overhaul Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Finally got this uploaded to YouTube (20 hours). I tried to keep it as short as I could and get the information across (still an hour long, sorry). Something I somehow edited out was that I did, in fact, use the new foam rubber under the leather seal. I'm sure other things will come to light after a few of you see the video; but if you will leave a comment, I will try to answer. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAX insp. #58 http://youtu.be/quRJ4_sqMYU _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 11:43:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE53640519 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1B2403FB; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:42:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oz.com ([unknown] [63.236.37.73]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MS90084A57402J2@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:42:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:42:40 +0000 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: , Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 295 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Would like a call today, going on 8 days trying to get contact, Ty Clyde Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ------Original Message------ From: To: Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 12:00:02 PM GMT-0600 Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 295 Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 294 (Rollright@aol.com) 2. TE/AE United Registration has been extended (Eric Gibeaut) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:30:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 294 Simply putt; Girling servo rebuild Jim Armstrong In a message dated 8/26/2013 2:05:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tigers-request@autox.team.net writes: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. YouTube video (Jerry Mo Christopherson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:43:21 -0500 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "Tiger Autox" Subject: [Tigers] YouTube video OK, Tiger/Alpinedom, I need some help. I have finished a 1hr. video on how I overhauled the Girling Servo unit. I'm going to upload to YouTube, but I would like help in selecting the categories where to put the video. Of course "Autos" would be the first category, but after that what would be the best, to get it easily to all that might be interested or wanted to see it. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC insp. #58 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tigers mailing list Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers End of Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 294 ************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:59:44 -0400 From: "Eric Gibeaut" To: Subject: [Tigers] TE/AE United Registration has been extended Rootes Group Enthusiasts, We've had a great response to this year's United XXXII in St. Michaels, Md. As of today, we have over 130 people and 60+ cars attending. This is a reminder that if you plan to join us for this year's event, get those registrations in. We've been able to extend the early registration rates at the hotel until September 9th or until the block of rooms is sold out. We'll also honor the early United registration rates until September 9th. Because of overwhelming interest in the Chesapeake Cruise, we are now sold out. You can register online at: http://www.rootesamerica.org ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tigers mailing list Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers End of Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 295 ************************************** _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 14:20:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E0F4044F for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:20:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0F040418 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:20:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004959.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r7SKK6GO002665 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:22:12 -0700 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0225.520b156a.1dafa6 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:20:41 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:20:36 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-28_09:2013-08-28,2013-08-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308280095 Subject: [Tigers] Bonneville...or Bust! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well, the car is about as good as it is going to get. It starts, runs, makes lots of noise, far more than teh turbo motor, and nothign seems to be leaking. Maybe a slow leak in the tires, but that's what air compressors are for isn't it? maybe a a loose schrader valve... I tightened it so I'll check to see if it leaked more. We are headed up on the 5th. We are supposed to be able to get on the salt that afternoon. Will then go check in and if time go back and do some pit set up. Always have to put down a tarp under the car, so we put one down that is about half an acre in size... and then put up the 10 x 20 ft shade canopy. car will stay in the trailer until the 6th and if inspection is going on we will get in line for that. Entry fee is $$$$$ bucks now. Drivers meeting is the 7th at 8 am at registration trailer. Then a drive down the salt to check for smoothness and ruts and the runs start. Any and all Sunbeams are welcome in the pits with us. You may or may not have to get a car pass to get into the pit though. We will always have someting cold to drink: water, sodas, maybe a beer or two. Might want to bring a chair though. I will have some and a table but seats can sometimes be short around my pit. See you all there!!! Hope we don't disappoint! mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 07:55:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E4940521 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 07:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB9F40398 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 07:54:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r7TDmd8c013321 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 06:54:52 -0700 Received: by dm0226.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0226.520b1569.28abc2 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 06:54:51 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 06:54:48 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <521E5B94.1020301@mayfco.com> engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-29_05:2013-08-29,2013-08-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308290066 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bonneville...or Bust! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Theo mentioned checking the daily run list for results..great idea...here is the link to the main WOS home organization page. In large letters is teh link to results and photos about the middle of the page... http://www.saltflats.com Lots of other information on that page as well. Give it a look... mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 8/28/2013 1:20 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Well, the car is about as good as it is going to get. It starts, runs, > makes lots of noise, far more than teh turbo motor, and nothign seems > to be leaking. Maybe a slow leak in the tires, but that's what air > compressors are for isn't it? maybe a a loose schrader valve... I > tightened it so I'll check to see if it leaked more. > > We are headed up on the 5th. We are supposed to be able to get on > the salt that afternoon. Will then go check in and if time go back > and do some pit set up. Always have to put down a tarp under the car, > so we put one down that is about half an acre in size... and then put > up the 10 x 20 ft shade canopy. car will stay in the trailer until > the 6th and if inspection is going on we will get in line for that. > Entry fee is $$$$$ bucks now. Drivers meeting is the 7th at 8 am at > registration trailer. Then a drive down the salt to check for > smoothness and ruts and the runs start. > > Any and all Sunbeams are welcome in the pits with us. You may or may > not have to get a car pass to get into the pit though. We will always > have someting cold to drink: water, sodas, maybe a beer or two. Might > want to bring a chair though. I will have some and a table but seats > can sometimes be short around my pit. > > See you all there!!! Hope we don't disappoint! > > mayf _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 31 11:58:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E331D403F2 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 11:58:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8356A40338 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 11:58:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r7VHqnnD014446 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 10:58:28 -0700 Received: by dm0214.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0214.520b158b.c942e for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 10:58:28 -0700 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 10:58:22 -0700 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-31_05:2013-08-30,2013-08-31,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308310113 Subject: [Tigers] Bonneville Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The Host organization for World of Speed just announced that the salt is excellent with no standing water anywhere except at the end of the road. So I am doing the final loading and will head out next Thursday morning around 4 am. We always gop up I-15 to US 93 junction and go through Ash Meadows, Hiko, Lund, Ely and then US93A to Wendover. When we get there we will go straight to the salt to park the trailer until Friday morning. The set up the pit and go to tech and do the $$$$ entry thing.... I will be on CB channel 27 on the way up if anyone want to chat... mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 31 12:56:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C2140541 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:56:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF7640074 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:54:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.155] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2013 18:54:29 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.97] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2013 18:54:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2013 18:54:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377975269; bh=5VIFmIiMw+h+9veUnAb7Lo064sX/I7M9vO9S2xLMriA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=458SgFTRG/m8Fj1bVLUNxgGMLB0g0OKcuVBuuileFeUHDmgJ9Qr9/MImcy5N1wEjvJAERbh7AJ0O6s3u7aTVVQnM03E3jlvt/TlgVBl9Cz0F4Cvg1o0ONe1zgP12GqFwaG9LlE2o1kb4Ke/SUDcDGOVsVESoSM0Vw7w7yNq979g= UfVvGLFJN2vVodFxtWsD8eziy_.wYPVpc3dBdOjWD9mEyW9vDEHmirJ1o78O Lr3lQd6Emr11mZIOVdLiYG2DP9m_mICTUWde5exARL1qUmcQn4tW_r2uNBv. 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The link I have for your Youtube video is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quRJ4_sqMYU John Sweeney _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net