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We are putting it on tigersunited.

Thanks for doing it!

Jay


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:28 PM, James Pickard <geowiz@hargray.com> wrote:

> I have documented how to replace door windows in a 5 page Word document
> complete with 10 photos.
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>
>
> Anyone wishing to receive it, send me an e-mail, even if you have expressed
> interest before (I deleted those).
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>
> Please let me know where I can post it to make it readily available to
> everyone.
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A good place to post it is on Tigers Unitedor the SAOCA web site.

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Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII 
trim and other "Tiger" parts
are worth that much. I believe this car is past restoration, what isn't
rusted out looks to be in pretty poor condition. My calculations, with high
est. for good parts, only comes to  $8,500 or so, and it doesn't look like
there are many "good" parts.

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271310566900
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I could be completely wrong on this.  But didn't the Tiger II not have the
spare tire depression?  Or was it just the battery box top that was gone.




On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:07 PM, David or Gary Franchi <wwwdg@webtv.net>wrote:

> Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII
> trim and other "Tiger" parts
> are worth that much. I believe this car is past restoration, what isn't
> rusted out looks to be in pretty poor condition. My calculations, with high
> est. for good parts, only comes to  $8,500 or so, and it doesn't look like
> there are many "good" parts.
>
>  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271310566900
> David
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Jay, if you're talking about in the trunk, yes, it's there; they mounted
the fuel pump across / in it.

Tom
'67 Mark 2


On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com> wrote:

> I could be completely wrong on this.  But didn't the Tiger II not have the
> spare tire depression?  Or was it just the battery box top that was gone.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:07 PM, David or Gary Franchi <wwwdg@webtv.net
> >wrote:
>
> > Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII
> > trim and other "Tiger" parts
> > are worth that much. I believe this car is past restoration, what isn't
> > rusted out looks to be in pretty poor condition. My calculations, with
> high
> > est. for good parts, only comes to  $8,500 or so, and it doesn't look
> like
> > there are many "good" parts.
> >
> >  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271310566900
> > David
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Ah.  Ok.  Like I said, I could be wrong, and I was.  At least it gave some
traffic to the group, even if at my expense ...


On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Tom Parker <tkparker1941@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jay, if you're talking about in the trunk, yes, it's there; they mounted
> the fuel pump across / in it.
>
> Tom
> '67 Mark 2
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I could be completely wrong on this.  But didn't the Tiger II not have the
>> spare tire depression?  Or was it just the battery box top that was gone.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:07 PM, David or Gary Franchi <wwwdg@webtv.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII
>> > trim and other "Tiger" parts
>> > are worth that much. I believe this car is past restoration, what isn't
>> > rusted out looks to be in pretty poor condition. My calculations, with
>> high
>> > est. for good parts, only comes to  $8,500 or so, and it doesn't look
>> like
>> > there are many "good" parts.
>> >
>> >  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271310566900
>> > David
>> > _______________________________________________
>> >
>> > tigers@autox.team.net
>> >
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The Mk II has the spare tire depression. Battery box cover was eliminated.
On Nov 5, 2013 6:07 PM, "Jay Laifman" <jay.laifman@gmail.com> wrote:

> I could be completely wrong on this.  But didn't the Tiger II not have the
> spare tire depression?  Or was it just the battery box top that was gone.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:07 PM, David or Gary Franchi <wwwdg@webtv.net
> >wrote:
>
> > Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII
> > trim and other "Tiger" parts
> > are worth that much. I believe this car is past restoration, what isn't
> > rusted out looks to be in pretty poor condition. My calculations, with
> high
> > est. for good parts, only comes to  $8,500 or so, and it doesn't look
> like
> > there are many "good" parts.
> >
> >  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271310566900
> > David
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That hardtop has to be in pretty good shape... it appears to be the only thing
holding the front and back halves of the car together.

If '504 ever shows up in 'restored' condition, they better have real good
documentation of the restoration process to show there is actually part of the
original chassis left besides the VIN and JAL plates.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
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> Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII trim and other "Tiger"


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Entire Ferrari GTOs and Ford GT40s have been built around almost nothing
but a serial tag and they sell for millions.
It will be interesting to see what remains if restored, is there a standard
for Tigers?
Firewall, Center frame?
Surely hood, fenders, trunk lid, floorpans, windshield frame, seats,
Engine, trans, suspension, brakes, gas tank, dash, wiring and plumbing are
fair game to be replaced.
Where is the line drawn?

Michael Shortt
On Nov 5, 2013 7:39 PM, "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit@dynastream.com> wrote:

> That hardtop has to be in pretty good shape... it appears to be the only
> thing
> holding the front and back halves of the car together.
>
> If '504 ever shows up in 'restored' condition, they better have real good
> documentation of the restoration process to show there is actually part of
> the
> original chassis left besides the VIN and JAL plates.
>
> Theo
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David or Gary Franchi
> > Sent: November 5, 2013 3:08 PM
> > To: Tiger E-mail Q&A
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation
> >
> > Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII trim and other "Tiger"
>
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Must have original vin plate rivets... yeah.... that's where the line is...

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On 11/5/2013 4:59 PM, michael@michaelshortt.com wrote:
> Entire Ferrari GTOs and Ford GT40s have been built around almost nothing
> but a serial tag and they sell for millions.
> It will be interesting to see what remains if restored, is there a standard
> for Tigers?
> Firewall, Center frame?
> Surely hood, fenders, trunk lid, floorpans, windshield frame, seats,
> Engine, trans, suspension, brakes, gas tank, dash, wiring and plumbing are
> fair game to be replaced.
> Where is the line drawn?
>
> Michael Shortt
> On Nov 5, 2013 7:39 PM, "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit@dynastream.com> wrote:
>
>> That hardtop has to be in pretty good shape... it appears to be the only
>> thing
>> holding the front and back halves of the car together.
>>
>> If '504 ever shows up in 'restored' condition, they better have real good
>> documentation of the restoration process to show there is actually part of
>> the
>> original chassis left besides the VIN and JAL plates.
>>
>> Theo
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
>>> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David or Gary Franchi
>>> Sent: November 5, 2013 3:08 PM
>>> To: Tiger E-mail Q&A
>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation
>>>
>>> Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII trim and other "Tiger"
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Theo, of course, knows all this: If the firewall and other TAC specific
parts are still there, and if the Tiger 2 specific updates are still there
it can be considered an "original" Tiger 2 for TAC purposes.

Outside California and other dry place the deterioration of a pre-rust
proofed car is dependent on its care. Left in the open, or worse leads to
the kind of deterioration we see in this Mark 2. It can be repaired, but a
good job will far exceed the value of the car.

Tom
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On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit@dynastream.com> wrote:

> That hardtop has to be in pretty good shape... it appears to be the only
> thing
> holding the front and back halves of the car together.
>
> If '504 ever shows up in 'restored' condition, they better have real good
> documentation of the restoration process to show there is actually part of
> the
> original chassis left besides the VIN and JAL plates.
>
> Theo
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
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> > Sent: November 5, 2013 3:08 PM
> > To: Tiger E-mail Q&A
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation
> >
> > Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII trim and other "Tiger"
>
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I think someone once quoted one of our popular restorers as saying once they
have your car in possession, you'll still fork over in excess of $70,000 to
have it restored. So, imagine the bucks it will take to make this one right,
again. As I posted before, the only thing that this car has going for it is
the fact that it's a Mark II, which nowadays  sell for a big premium over the
B947 and B3820 models.

Rande Bellman
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Yeah, I was not intending to start or fan the flames on another 'what is the
line' discussion, so please don't go there... the state of this Tiger is
pretty unfortunate. It would be cool if someone with a deep pocketbook, more
patience, and still more skills acquired this car and set it right, but
chances are that won't happen and we'll just see it get parted out. At least
in that case the various unique parts will find their way onto a Tiger, which
is better than their fate for the last several decades by the look of things.

Theo

From: Tom Parker [mailto:tkparker1941@gmail.com]
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation

Theo, of course, knows all this: If the firewall and other TAC specific parts
are still there, and if the Tiger 2 specific updates are still there it can be
considered an "original" Tiger 2 for TAC purposes.
Outside California and other dry place the deterioration of a pre-rust proofed
car is dependent on its care. Left in the open, or worse leads to the kind of
deterioration we see in this Mark 2. It can be repaired, but a good job will
far exceed the value of the car.
Tom
'67 Mark 2

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Smit, Theo
That hardtop has to be in pretty good shape... it appears to be the only
thing
holding the front and back halves of the car together.

If '504 ever shows up in 'restored' condition, they better have real good
documentation of the restoration process to show there is actually part of
the
original chassis left besides the VIN and JAL plates.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: November 5, 2013 3:08 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation
>
> Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII trim and other "Tiger"


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Without parts cars, many other Tigers wouldn't have a chance of being 
rebuilt...


On 11/5/2013 9:39 PM, Smit, Theo wrote:
> Yeah, I was not intending to start or fan the flames on another 'what is the
> line' discussion, so please don't go there... the state of this Tiger is
> pretty unfortunate. It would be cool if someone with a deep pocketbook, more
> patience, and still more skills acquired this car and set it right, but
> chances are that won't happen and we'll just see it get parted out. At least
> in that case the various unique parts will find their way onto a Tiger, which
> is better than their fate for the last several decades by the look of things.
>
> Theo
>
> From: Tom Parker [mailto:tkparker1941@gmail.com]
> Sent: November 5, 2013 7:29 PM
> To: Smit, Theo
> Cc: Tiger E-mail Q&A
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation
>
> Theo, of course, knows all this: If the firewall and other TAC specific parts
> are still there, and if the Tiger 2 specific updates are still there it can be
> considered an "original" Tiger 2 for TAC purposes.
> Outside California and other dry place the deterioration of a pre-rust proofed
> car is dependent on its care. Left in the open, or worse leads to the kind of
> deterioration we see in this Mark 2. It can be repaired, but a good job will
> far exceed the value of the car.
> Tom
> '67 Mark 2
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Smit, Theo
> That hardtop has to be in pretty good shape... it appears to be the only
> thing
> holding the front and back halves of the car together.
>
> If '504 ever shows up in 'restored' condition, they better have real good
> documentation of the restoration process to show there is actually part of
> the
> original chassis left besides the VIN and JAL plates.
>
> Theo
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The other side of this car is for someone like me.  My Mark I was nearly as 
bad as this car.  I never set out to have a pristine Tiger, only a Tiger 
that was mechanically well done and an appearance that was marginally 
acceptable (even if barely so).  I'd have to see the floors and sills, but 
assuming they are not too far gone a donor Alpine and a fair amount of my 
own work gets this car..., well..., functional.  As in primered and able to 
drive down the street functional.

I know given the rarity of a Mark II most everyone would expect it to be an 
awesome car.  My perspective is that for the selling price plus no more than 
$5K and I'd have genuine, functioning Mark II.  Why not!  Maybe the least 
appealing of all the Mark II's out there, but none the less a Mark II.  And, 
even if I sold all the Mark II specific parts to finance this "project" I'd 
still have a Mark II by VIN.  And that is something that can't be taken or 
sold away.

I know to 99.9% that is not an appealing approach, but it is another way of 
looking at this car.  That said, $9K+ is too steep for my wallet and Florida 
is clear across the country.  But, yea, my insanely cheap self, "would if I 
could."   And for those that know my Mark I has been on jackstands for 
nearly 14 years..., Ummm..., I do mean well in my intensions.

Tom 
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From: Alex Haugland <ahauglan@gmail.com>
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I'm in the process of restoring a hardtop for my Tiger.  The hardtop I have
came to me stripped bare, along with some of the needed parts to reassemble
it.  I've since tracked down all the missing bits, have had it painted am now
putting it back together. I'm at the point where I'm looking at fitting the
headliner, which, for the most part, is straightforward.  The only question
that's come up for me, however, is that the headliner from Sunbeam Specialties
came with an additional length of material which I'm unsure of the purpose of.
Is it to cover the C pillars? (all the photos I've seen have had the C Pillars
bare)  Sun visors?  Something else? I want to make sure that I'm not missing
something before fitting the headliner itself.  Thanks!

--Alex Haugland
Eugene, Oregon
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Alex- I don't have any pictures to send you at the moment, but, my c-pillar
is covered in the same material as the headliner of the hardtop.  Mine could
have been restored by the previous owner.  However, it does look correct to
my eye.

Kirk   

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On Behalf Of Alex Haugland
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I'm in the process of restoring a hardtop for my Tiger.  The hardtop I have
came to me stripped bare, along with some of the needed parts to reassemble
it.  I've since tracked down all the missing bits, have had it painted am
now putting it back together. I'm at the point where I'm looking at fitting
the headliner, which, for the most part, is straightforward.  The only
question that's come up for me, however, is that the headliner from Sunbeam
Specialties came with an additional length of material which I'm unsure of
the purpose of.
Is it to cover the C pillars? (all the photos I've seen have had the C
Pillars
bare)  Sun visors?  Something else? I want to make sure that I'm not missing
something before fitting the headliner itself.  Thanks!

--Alex Haugland
Eugene, Oregon
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Alex:

You aren't geting a lot of feedback, and I just saw your request. The 
headliner material is riveted to a metal strip at the front and then folded 
back to the rear and pulled tight. That metal edge has a sharp edge and 
could easily cut through the liner material in time, so this extra piece 
supplied by SS is to lay over that edge under the headliner to cushion and 
protect it from possible damage from that strip.

I've attached a photo of that area...

Also, the headliner does not cover the "C" pillars....it fold under itself 
just down past the top of the H'top window. Another photo is attached.

Best of luck with your project..

Dave
B382000450



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Haugland" <ahauglan@gmail.com>
To: "tiger list" <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:38 AM
Subject: [Tigers] hardtop headliner extra material?


> I'm in the process of restoring a hardtop for my Tiger.  The hardtop I 
> have
> came to me stripped bare, along with some of the needed parts to 
> reassemble
> it.  I've since tracked down all the missing bits, have had it painted am 
> now
> putting it back together. I'm at the point where I'm looking at fitting 
> the
> headliner, which, for the most part, is straightforward.  The only 
> question
> that's come up for me, however, is that the headliner from Sunbeam 
> Specialties
> came with an additional length of material which I'm unsure of the purpose 
> of.
> Is it to cover the C pillars? (all the photos I've seen have had the C 
> Pillars
> bare)  Sun visors?  Something else? I want to make sure that I'm not 
> missing
> something before fitting the headliner itself.  Thanks!
>
> --Alex Haugland
> Eugene, Oregon
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Alex
	It is possible the additional material is a remnant that just
happened to get thrown in.
I would ask Sunbeam Specialties about that piece.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Alex Haugland
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 11:38 PM
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Subject: [Tigers] hardtop headliner extra material?


I'm in the process of restoring a hardtop for my Tiger.  The hardtop I have
came to me stripped bare, along with some of the needed parts to reassemble
it.  I've since tracked down all the missing bits, have had it painted am
now putting it back together. I'm at the point where I'm looking at fitting
the headliner, which, for the most part, is straightforward.  The only
question that's come up for me, however, is that the headliner from Sunbeam
Specialties came with an additional length of material which I'm unsure of
the purpose of. Is it to cover the C pillars? (all the photos I've seen have
had the C Pillars
bare)  Sun visors?  Something else? I want to make sure that I'm not missing
something before fitting the headliner itself.  Thanks!

--Alex Haugland
Eugene, Oregon
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Thank you very much!  That makes a lot of sense and, if nothing else, is 
a very logical use for the material.  Every photo I've seen, along with 
a couple in person hasn't had the C pillars covered, though it would be 
easy to do with the material provided, so I was reluctant to cover them 
until I had more proof one way or the other.  Thank you also for the 
photos as it helps clear up how the headliner is literally riveted to 
the metal strip.  Armed with this information, hopefully by the end of 
the day today, I'll have the headliner finished and be on to fitting the 
rear window.

--Alex Haugland
Eugene, Oregon
B9470334LRXFE


On 11/6/2013 6:22 AM, Dave Munroe wrote:
> Alex:
>
> You aren't geting a lot of feedback, and I just saw your request. The 
> headliner material is riveted to a metal strip at the front and then 
> folded back to the rear and pulled tight. That metal edge has a sharp 
> edge and could easily cut through the liner material in time, so this 
> extra piece supplied by SS is to lay over that edge under the 
> headliner to cushion and protect it from possible damage from that strip.
>
> I've attached a photo of that area...
>
> Also, the headliner does not cover the "C" pillars....it fold under 
> itself just down past the top of the H'top window. Another photo is 
> attached.
>
> Best of luck with your project..
>
> Dave
> B382000450
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Quick question: What size bolts attach the front license plate bracket to
the body? I need to re-tap to remove the paint and I want to make sure I use
the right size. Thanks! BTW, I don't see these on the bolt list on Tigers
United.

 

James Pickard

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James

	1/4" UNF x 5/8"
If using a standard SAE tap it will most likely cut metal.  A thread chaser
tap would probably work fine.

A 1/4" UNF tap is really needed or take a 1/4 UNF bolt, cut a couple flutes
down the threads and use it as a tap.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [Tigers] Bolt size


Quick question: What size bolts attach the front license plate bracket to
the body? I need to re-tap to remove the paint and I want to make sure I use
the right size. Thanks! BTW, I don't see these on the bolt list on Tigers
United.



James Pickard

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In tonight's local daily paper there was a full page ad that looked like one 
of those cooperative ads, where the local outfit sticks their name at the 
bottom of the ad supplied by the national company.  Anyway, the happy older 
couple, that have apparently had all their problems solved by buying Miracle 
Ear hearing aids, is driving away in what appears to be an a Sunbeam.  In 
the picture, I can't make out a side trim strip, so it is likely an Alpine.

Watch for it in your local print media.

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From: michael king <michael.s.king@gmail.com>
To: Stu Brennan <stubrennan@comcast.net>
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wouldn't happen to be a turquoise sunbeam would it? there is some stock
photography with a Sunbeam that has been used extensively globally for the
past 3 years


On 7 November 2013 10:39, Stu Brennan <stubrennan@comcast.net> wrote:

> In tonight's local daily paper there was a full page ad that looked like
> one of those cooperative ads, where the local outfit sticks their name at
> the bottom of the ad supplied by the national company.  Anyway, the happy
> older couple, that have apparently had all their problems solved by buying
> Miracle Ear hearing aids, is driving away in what appears to be an a
> Sunbeam.  In the picture, I can't make out a side trim strip, so it is
> likely an Alpine.
>
> Watch for it in your local print media.
>
> Stu _______________________________________________
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Those of you who are SCCA members and get SportsCar magazine will not that on
the front cover, which celebrates the 50th anniversary of the Runoffs, there
is a great airborne shot at the start finish line and there on the front row
is Tom Patton's #50 white. Actually his car is on pit row.

In addition to that there is another picture on page 130. This was taken on
the pace lap of the 2003 Runoffs at Mid-Ohio and he is the third car on the
left in that picture.

Also a very nice picture of a racing Tiger shown in a restoration shop in
England, owned by the owner and a friend or customer. This, in the magazine
Vintage Motorsports November/December issue.

Always love to see Tigers in print.

Curt
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Does anyone have access to one of those estimating books or services that mechanics use?  My daughter, away at college, just had to pay what I think is a crazy amount for a common repair to a Ford product.  Contact me off line.

Stu
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From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com>
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Dang it!  I wish I knew that 18 years ago when I did mine.  Rick is great.
But where were the instructions in the package!


On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Dave Munroe <dave@munroe.ca> wrote:

> Alex:
>
> You aren't geting a lot of feedback, and I just saw your request. The
> headliner material is riveted to a metal strip at the front and then folded
> back to the rear and pulled tight. That metal edge has a sharp edge and
> could easily cut through the liner material in time, so this extra piece
> supplied by SS is to lay over that edge under the headliner to cushion and
> protect it from possible damage from that strip.
>
> I've attached a photo of that area...
>
> Also, the headliner does not cover the "C" pillars....it fold under itself
> just down past the top of the H'top window. Another photo is attached.
>
> Best of luck with your project..
>
> Dave
> B382000450
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Haugland" <ahauglan@gmail.com>
> To: "tiger list" <tigers@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:38 AM
> Subject: [Tigers] hardtop headliner extra material?
>
>
> > I'm in the process of restoring a hardtop for my Tiger.  The hardtop I
> > have
> > came to me stripped bare, along with some of the needed parts to
> > reassemble
> > it.  I've since tracked down all the missing bits, have had it painted am
> > now
> > putting it back together. I'm at the point where I'm looking at fitting
> > the
> > headliner, which, for the most part, is straightforward.  The only
> > question
> > that's come up for me, however, is that the headliner from Sunbeam
> > Specialties
> > came with an additional length of material which I'm unsure of the
> purpose
> > of.
> > Is it to cover the C pillars? (all the photos I've seen have had the C
> > Pillars
> > bare)  Sun visors?  Something else? I want to make sure that I'm not
> > missing
> > something before fitting the headliner itself.  Thanks!
> >
> > --Alex Haugland
> > Eugene, Oregon
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Probably a Tiger... I've heard very few Alpines that could cause hearing loss.
:p

>Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 18:39:56 -0500
>From: "Stu Brennan" <stubrennan@comcast.net>
>To: "Tiger Net" <tigers@autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Sighting
>In tonight's local daily paper there was a full page ad that looked like one
of those >cooperative ads, where the local outfit sticks their name at the
bottom of the ad supplied >by the national company.  Anyway, the happy older
couple, that have apparently had all >their problems solved by buying Miracle
Ear hearing aids, is driving away in what appears >to be an a Sunbeam.  In the
picture, I can't make out a side trim strip, so it is likely an >Alpine.
>Stu


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Here is the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where almost
everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive it almost
every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000 mile trip what
spares would you carry, assuming limited space?
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a couple of plugs, tools, belts, duct tape, oil, fuses, tire plugs and
compressor, first aid kit, flares, AAA card, water, cell phone. plastic
tarp

If you have an MSD box, a spare one, super glue, JB weld, lamps,


Michael Shortt


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Bill Rogers <milward@roadrunner.com> wrote:

> Here is the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where almost
> everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive it
> almost
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Throttle cable.

Scott Hutchinson
Pilot, NetJets Aviation

Mobile 843.290.2805

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a couple of plugs, tools, belts, duct tape, oil, fuses, tire plugs and
compressor, first aid kit, flares, AAA card, water, cell phone. plastic
tarp

If you have an MSD box, a spare one, super glue, JB weld, lamps,


Michael Shortt


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> Here is the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where almost
> everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive it
> almost
> every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000 mile trip
> what
> spares would you carry, assuming limited space?
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AAA card, cell phone, jumper cables, duct tape,  all the tools and jack needed to change a tire. spare tire that holds air and is properly inflated.  If you are using a Pertronix ignitor ignition carry a spare or a set of points to replace it.

Erich


---- Bill Rogers <milward@roadrunner.com> wrote: 
> Here is the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where almost
> everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive it almost
> every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000 mile trip what
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Bill
	Bill you got a good number of spare suggestions.  I carry a small
box with a few hydraulic rebuild kits with a few cotter pins and small nuts
and bolts - never had to use any of the kits but just in case, fan belt,
throttle cable, scissors jack and extra tools, 1/2 gal jug of coolant, some
oil and brake fluid.  I think I would also suggest some rubber fuel line and
a spare fuel filter.

	For the trip to SUNI in Big Sky, the last spare I threw in was a
spare coil.  I took a side trip into the Big Horn mountains and part way in
the engine went silent.  I was luckily at a scenic overlook and pulled right
in, opened the hood and let the engine cool.  I figured either the fuel or
the spark died.  I checked the fuel first - OK.  Pulled the spare Ford
Yellow top coil out; used 2 jumper wires to connect it and the engine fire
right up.  Drove to the nearest Town, Buffalo Wyoming and bought another
coil to mount in properly.  I also had a throttle cable break at Big Sky,
the voltage regulator acted up on the way home, a misfire at altitude and
the right outside mirror glass fell out for some reason around the Little
Big Horn area.  I think Gen. Custer's ghost needed a mirror and swiped it.
The voltage regulator got an alternator conversion.  Misfires can happen
with altitude, I just turned around and went down to clear that.

So spare coil and spark plugs


Have a great trip and may nothing go wrong for you.

Ron Fraser

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Here is the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where almost
everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive it
almost every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000 mile
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no need for oil as its available everywhere.  or coolant as you can use
drinking water.

i would take drinking water, throttle cable, voltage regulator (even if
internal to alternator), fan belt, some kind of rad weld, tank tape,
electrical tape and some wire, spare wheel or compressor and sealant,
points if you still use them, and maybe a coil.  maybe brake fluid.  maybe
a 1-2 gallon petrol can.

anything else and it starts to get too heavy and not very helpful.


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Bill
>         Bill you got a good number of spare suggestions.  I carry a small
> box with a few hydraulic rebuild kits with a few cotter pins and small nuts
> and bolts - never had to use any of the kits but just in case, fan belt,
> throttle cable, scissors jack and extra tools, 1/2 gal jug of coolant, some
> oil and brake fluid.  I think I would also suggest some rubber fuel line
> and
> a spare fuel filter.
>
>         For the trip to SUNI in Big Sky, the last spare I threw in was a
> spare coil.  I took a side trip into the Big Horn mountains and part way in
> the engine went silent.  I was luckily at a scenic overlook and pulled
> right
> in, opened the hood and let the engine cool.  I figured either the fuel or
> the spark died.  I checked the fuel first - OK.  Pulled the spare Ford
> Yellow top coil out; used 2 jumper wires to connect it and the engine fire
> right up.  Drove to the nearest Town, Buffalo Wyoming and bought another
> coil to mount in properly.  I also had a throttle cable break at Big Sky,
> the voltage regulator acted up on the way home, a misfire at altitude and
> the right outside mirror glass fell out for some reason around the Little
> Big Horn area.  I think Gen. Custer's ghost needed a mirror and swiped it.
> The voltage regulator got an alternator conversion.  Misfires can happen
> with altitude, I just turned around and went down to clear that.
>
> So spare coil and spark plugs
>
>
> Have a great trip and may nothing go wrong for you.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>
> Here is the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where almost
> everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive it
> almost every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000 mile
> trip what spares would you carry, assuming limited space?
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I would think things that are not available at a local Napa  
store...........fuel pump, for example.  A CAT emergency by-pass for the  braking system. 
Brake light switch failure is  a common problem.   Things like that can and 
will go bad.  None of us likes to spend money on  things we don't need, but 
these 3 things we will eventually need  if we keep the Tiger (and take up 
little space).  
 
Then, of course, a set of basic tools.  Get a round dishpan  from Walmart 
that will fit inside the spare tire.  Stuff the spares and  tool in the 
dishpan and that will be using normally wasted space. 
Mark L
 
 
milward@roadrunner.com writes:

Here is  the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where  almost
everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive  it 
almost
every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000  mile trip 
what
spares would you carry, assuming limited  space?
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 19:20:58 -0500
From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com>
To: "CoolVT@aol.com" <CoolVT@aol.com>
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definitely a fuel pump - i forgot that, sorry.


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:05 PM, <CoolVT@aol.com> wrote:

> I would think things that are not available at a local Napa
> store...........fuel pump, for example.  A CAT emergency by-pass for the
>  braking system.
> Brake light switch failure is  a common problem.   Things like that can and
> will go bad.  None of us likes to spend money on  things we don't need, but
> these 3 things we will eventually need  if we keep the Tiger (and take up
> little space).
>
> Then, of course, a set of basic tools.  Get a round dishpan  from Walmart
> that will fit inside the spare tire.  Stuff the spares and  tool in the
> dishpan and that will be using normally wasted space.
> Mark L
>
>
> milward@roadrunner.com writes:
>
> Here is  the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where  almost
> everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive  it
> almost
> every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000  mile trip
> what
> spares would you carry, assuming limited  space?
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From: "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit@dynastream.com>
To: "CoolVT@aol.com" <CoolVT@aol.com>, "milward@roadrunner.com"
	<milward@roadrunner.com>, "tigers@autox.team.net" <tigers@autox.team.net>
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Many stores carry Facet fuel pumps and cheap adjustable fuel pressure
regulators. If you get stuck by the roadside then a Facet pump will get you
going (and quite likely keep you going for a lot longer than the stock pump
would, provided its maximum flow rate is within the range required by your
engine). These pumps are available in a range of output pressures, but most
parts stores will carry ones that are in the 3-5 PSI range so you will likely
not even need another regulator on its output.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com
> Sent: November 7, 2013 5:06 PM
> To: milward@roadrunner.com; tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning
>
> I would think things that are not available at a local Napa
> store...........fuel pump, for example.  A CAT emergency by-pass for
> the  braking system.
> Brake light switch failure is  a common problem.   Things like that can
> and
> will go bad.  None of us likes to spend money on  things we don't need,
> but these 3 things we will eventually need  if we keep the Tiger (and
> take up little space).
>
> Then, of course, a set of basic tools.  Get a round dishpan  from
> Walmart that will fit inside the spare tire.  Stuff the spares and
> tool in the dishpan and that will be using normally wasted space.
> Mark L
>
>
> milward@roadrunner.com writes:
>
> Here is  the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where
> almost
> everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive
> it
> almost
> every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000  mile
> trip
> what
> spares would you carry, assuming limited  space?
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers@autox.team.net
>
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 23:10:38 -0500
From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga@gmail.com>
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I forgot to mention zip ties...always a life saver.

Michael Shortt
On Nov 7, 2013 10:49 PM, "Scott Hutchinson" <shutchin@netjets.com> wrote:

> Throttle cable.
>
> Scott Hutchinson
> Pilot, NetJets Aviation
>
> Mobile 843.290.2805
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: michael@michaelshortt.com [mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 03:10 PM
> To: Bill Rogers <milward@roadrunner.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning
>
> a couple of plugs, tools, belts, duct tape, oil, fuses, tire plugs and
> compressor, first aid kit, flares, AAA card, water, cell phone. plastic
> tarp
>
> If you have an MSD box, a spare one, super glue, JB weld, lamps,
>
>
> Michael Shortt
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Bill Rogers <milward@roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Here is the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where almost
> > everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive it
> > almost
> > every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000 mile trip
> > what
> > spares would you carry, assuming limited space?
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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Guys and gals,

A short while ago, I asked you to vote for one of Tiger GT owner Don Antilla's other toys, a 1966 Ford Fairlane 427 hardtop, in Hemmings contest for Muscle Machine of the year. You'll be glad to know that your votes paid off.

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2013/11/07/ford-fairlane-427-factory-drag-racer-wins-muscle-machine-of-the-year/?refer=news

Just a list of some of his other cars that I know about: Griffith 200, 1968 Mustang GT Cobra Jet 428, Cobra roadster. According to Don, this was the first time a Chevrolet hasn't won. Needless to say, when I read him the story yesterday from Hemmings, he was very pleased, and he'd like to thank you all for helping win.

Rande Bellman
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Does anyone have a part number for replacement U-joints for the steering
shaft?

 

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Jeff
	Sunbeam Specialties list them in their catalog.

Ron Fraser

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Does anyone have a part number for replacement U-joints for the steering
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Purchased the C.A.T. rollbar in the mid-70's and never installed it in
the Tiger.  I'd like to sell it for a reasonable price and it should
be shippable via UPS originating from zip code 49068.  Inquiries are
welcome.
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I remember a Tiger on CL or one of the forums about a year ago that was
rusted well beyond the point of no return for sale in NC. It was cheap. $5k
I think. It went really quick. No one got the VIN info before it was gone...

So now here is this guy in VA that is admittedly making a clone. Not making
assumptions. Just saying.....

http://fredericksburg.craigslist.org/pts/4186748200.html
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We have a similar one here in the central oklahoma area. Guy says he was
going to build one, never did. something else, if I was to guess, I bet
that most people just mean an Alpine with a V8 to make a "Tiger". Obviously
some have taken it to a level that is very hard to tell the difference, but
some just put V8's in between the frame rails and call it a Tiger. I for
one am glad when they think its that simple, it makes the clones easier to
spot and less likely to get confused with the real Tigers.

http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/4175945659.html

Cullen
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> I remember a Tiger on CL or one of the forums about a year ago that was
> rusted well beyond the point of no return for sale in NC. It was cheap. $5k
> I think. It went really quick. No one got the VIN info before it was
> gone...
>
> So now here is this guy in VA that is admittedly making a clone. Not making
> assumptions. Just saying.....
>
> http://fredericksburg.craigslist.org/pts/4186748200.html
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Ok, so I have my old dash pad off, in a zillion pieces, cracked all over 
the place. I see from both the metal onder it and frm th epieced togethr 
old pad, tht it was glued down around the outer edge about an  1 1/2  
inchesd wide from one end to the other. And around the vent openings.   
Contact cement of some sort was used but sparingly.  Also under the dash 
behind the front metal facia, it was glued down.  I seem to remember 
that there was a short discussion on gluing the pad down.   I am going 
to put the new pad on like the old one was on.

The questions I have is one of technique and procedure.   I head that 
one put contact cement on the two parts and let it set up. Then put down 
wax paper on the bottom, then some short sections of dowels (size, 
length) and then maybe some more wax paper over the dowels to keep the 
upper pad from gluing itself to the dowels.   Then place the dash pad 
into close proximity to the final location and get it aligned to some 
tape marks I have made.  While my helper is pushing the pad forward into 
alignment, I will pull the dowels from the center most locations and 
when in alignment, press the pieces together. I will do that working 
from the center to the outer ends. When that is finished, I will put 
contact cement on the tuck under pieces that go up and over the top of 
the dash and then when that glue is ready tuck all those pieces into 
place.  I will probably do those working from the center outward also.

If any of that sounds goofy, just consider who is making the plan, lol. 
I would dearly love to hear from any and all who have actually done this 
little chore and what pitfalls I am about to encounter. If you have done 
this before and are not to ashamed of your work, please, please tell me 
how you did it?  What contact cement did you use?  A detailed step by 
step procedure? Heck is there one on the TU web site?   I'll look...  I 
want to do this tomorrow or the next day.. I still have some minor 
trimming to do.

Many thanks, in advance!!!

larry

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From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga@gmail.com>
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Great plan. PRACTICE before using the glue.

Michael Shortt
On Nov 13, 2013 3:39 PM, "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf@mayfco.com> wrote:

> Ok, so I have my old dash pad off, in a zillion pieces, cracked all over
> the place. I see from both the metal onder it and frm th epieced togethr
> old pad, tht it was glued down around the outer edge about an  1 1/2
>  inchesd wide from one end to the other. And around the vent openings.
> Contact cement of some sort was used but sparingly.  Also under the dash
> behind the front metal facia, it was glued down.  I seem to remember that
> there was a short discussion on gluing the pad down.   I am going to put
> the new pad on like the old one was on.
>
> The questions I have is one of technique and procedure.   I head that one
> put contact cement on the two parts and let it set up. Then put down wax
> paper on the bottom, then some short sections of dowels (size, length) and
> then maybe some more wax paper over the dowels to keep the upper pad from
> gluing itself to the dowels.   Then place the dash pad into close proximity
> to the final location and get it aligned to some tape marks I have made.
>  While my helper is pushing the pad forward into alignment, I will pull the
> dowels from the center most locations and when in alignment, press the
> pieces together. I will do that working from the center to the outer ends.
> When that is finished, I will put contact cement on the tuck under pieces
> that go up and over the top of the dash and then when that glue is ready
> tuck all those pieces into place.  I will probably do those working from
> the center outward also.
>
> If any of that sounds goofy, just consider who is making the plan, lol. I
> would dearly love to hear from any and all who have actually done this
> little chore and what pitfalls I am about to encounter. If you have done
> this before and are not to ashamed of your work, please, please tell me how
> you did it?  What contact cement did you use?  A detailed step by step
> procedure? Heck is there one on the TU web site?   I'll look...  I want to
> do this tomorrow or the next day.. I still have some minor trimming to do.
>
> Many thanks, in advance!!!
>
> larry
>
> --
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
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Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install
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One question, does this dash pad need to hold up to LSR speeds? :>)

There are several grades of contact adhesive, 3M has a high strength 90 for
marine applications, the 74 and 77 for trim and headliners, the 80 is for
vinyl and rubber,  and a few more for special applications.

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/Tapes/Products/~/3M-Tap
e-and-3M-Adhesives/Non-Structural-Adhesives/Spray-Adhesives?N=5396314&rt=c3

I have used the 77 for headliners and foam insulation-to-firewall with great
success. The no-name spray stuff at Autozone is crap.

If you can work with the brush-on liquid, try the 3M Fastbond, I used it on
all the upholstery work and it holds well.

Have fun and try not to glue your fingers together like I've done!

Bugz

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:37 PM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install

Ok, so I have my old dash pad off, in a zillion pieces, cracked all over the
place. I see from both the metal onder it and frm th epieced togethr old pad,
tht it was glued down around the outer edge about an  1 1/2
inchesd wide from one end to the other. And around the vent openings.
Contact cement of some sort was used but sparingly.  Also under the dash
behind the front metal facia, it was glued down.  I seem to remember
that there was a short discussion on gluing the pad down.   I am going
to put the new pad on like the old one was on.

The questions I have is one of technique and procedure.   I head that
one put contact cement on the two parts and let it set up. Then put down wax
paper on the bottom, then some short sections of dowels (size,
length) and then maybe some more wax paper over the dowels to keep the
upper pad from gluing itself to the dowels.   Then place the dash pad
into close proximity to the final location and get it aligned to some tape
marks I have made.  While my helper is pushing the pad forward into alignment,
I will pull the dowels from the center most locations and when in alignment,
press the pieces together. I will do that working from the center to the outer
ends. When that is finished, I will put contact cement on the tuck under
pieces that go up and over the top of the dash and then when that glue is
ready tuck all those pieces into place.  I will probably do those working from
the center outward also.

If any of that sounds goofy, just consider who is making the plan, lol.
I would dearly love to hear from any and all who have actually done this
little chore and what pitfalls I am about to encounter. If you have done this
before and are not to ashamed of your work, please, please tell me how you did
it?  What contact cement did you use?  A detailed step by
step procedure? Heck is there one on the TU web site?   I'll look...  I
want to do this tomorrow or the next day.. I still have some minor trimming to
do.

Many thanks, in advance!!!

larry

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Larry,

Do you have a new repro one from SS? From what i understand from many posts
on the forums and even the list they require some trimming and sanding.
Apparently the foam under the leading edge of the windscreen can be a
little thick and needs sanding to sit correctly and also the foam at the
edges of where the dash rolls over... so to a test fit dry.

-- 
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Michael King
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:15:32 -0500
From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga@gmail.com>
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Wear latex gloves.
And do it in a well ventilated area.

Michael
On Nov 13, 2013 5:09 PM, "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" <mark.rense@ge.com>
wrote:

> One question, does this dash pad need to hold up to LSR speeds? :>)
>
> There are several grades of contact adhesive, 3M has a high strength 90 for
> marine applications, the 74 and 77 for trim and headliners, the 80 is for
> vinyl and rubber,  and a few more for special applications.
>
>
> http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/Tapes/Products/~/3M-Tap
> e-and-3M-Adhesives/Non-Structural-Adhesives/Spray-Adhesives?N=5396314&rt=c3
>
> I have used the 77 for headliners and foam insulation-to-firewall with
> great
> success. The no-name spray stuff at Autozone is crap.
>
> If you can work with the brush-on liquid, try the 3M Fastbond, I used it on
> all the upholstery work and it holds well.
>
> Have fun and try not to glue your fingers together like I've done!
>
> Bugz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:37 PM
> To: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install
>
> Ok, so I have my old dash pad off, in a zillion pieces, cracked all over
> the
> place. I see from both the metal onder it and frm th epieced togethr old
> pad,
> tht it was glued down around the outer edge about an  1 1/2
> inchesd wide from one end to the other. And around the vent openings.
> Contact cement of some sort was used but sparingly.  Also under the dash
> behind the front metal facia, it was glued down.  I seem to remember
> that there was a short discussion on gluing the pad down.   I am going
> to put the new pad on like the old one was on.
>
> The questions I have is one of technique and procedure.   I head that
> one put contact cement on the two parts and let it set up. Then put down
> wax
> paper on the bottom, then some short sections of dowels (size,
> length) and then maybe some more wax paper over the dowels to keep the
> upper pad from gluing itself to the dowels.   Then place the dash pad
> into close proximity to the final location and get it aligned to some tape
> marks I have made.  While my helper is pushing the pad forward into
> alignment,
> I will pull the dowels from the center most locations and when in
> alignment,
> press the pieces together. I will do that working from the center to the
> outer
> ends. When that is finished, I will put contact cement on the tuck under
> pieces that go up and over the top of the dash and then when that glue is
> ready tuck all those pieces into place.  I will probably do those working
> from
> the center outward also.
>
> If any of that sounds goofy, just consider who is making the plan, lol.
> I would dearly love to hear from any and all who have actually done this
> little chore and what pitfalls I am about to encounter. If you have done
> this
> before and are not to ashamed of your work, please, please tell me how you
> did
> it?  What contact cement did you use?  A detailed step by
> step procedure? Heck is there one on the TU web site?   I'll look...  I
> want to do this tomorrow or the next day.. I still have some minor
> trimming to
> do.
>
> Many thanks, in advance!!!
>
> larry
>
> --
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
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Hi Larry.
When i install new dash pad on my Tiger i never used wax paper. I used 
contact cement (LEPAGE( brand on bolth face to glue and i don't had problem. 
I used
the same contact cement to restore the interior without any problem. I don't 
know if (LEPAGE( is available in US but use a good contact cement, some 
contact   glue are cheaper but don't work well.
If you are like me and like original cars or want to use the tonneau cover, 
you have to reinstall tonneau stud. To do this before to install the dash 
pad drill each hole
tonneau stud from top to down, the drill must be smaller than the studs 
hole, take care to don't broken the stud thread, there is a second thickness 
of sheet metal under the top sheet metal where you glue the dash pad. After 
the holes drilled install the dash pad at the right place(WITHOUT( glue and 
drill the stud holes
by under the the dash to top, the stud holes gone be at the right place !
Denis Mercier
Canada.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf@mayfco.com>
To: <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:36 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install


> Ok, so I have my old dash pad off, in a zillion pieces, cracked all over 
> the place. I see from both the metal onder it and frm th epieced togethr 
> old pad, tht it was glued down around the outer edge about an  1 1/2 
> inchesd wide from one end to the other. And around the vent openings. 
> Contact cement of some sort was used but sparingly.  Also under the dash 
> behind the front metal facia, it was glued down.  I seem to remember that 
> there was a short discussion on gluing the pad down.   I am going to put 
> the new pad on like the old one was on.
>
> The questions I have is one of technique and procedure.   I head that one 
> put contact cement on the two parts and let it set up. Then put down wax 
> paper on the bottom, then some short sections of dowels (size, length) and 
> then maybe some more wax paper over the dowels to keep the upper pad from 
> gluing itself to the dowels.   Then place the dash pad into close 
> proximity to the final location and get it aligned to some tape marks I 
> have made.  While my helper is pushing the pad forward into alignment, I 
> will pull the dowels from the center most locations and when in alignment, 
> press the pieces together. I will do that working from the center to the 
> outer ends. When that is finished, I will put contact cement on the tuck 
> under pieces that go up and over the top of the dash and then when that 
> glue is ready tuck all those pieces into place.  I will probably do those 
> working from the center outward also.
>
> If any of that sounds goofy, just consider who is making the plan, lol. I 
> would dearly love to hear from any and all who have actually done this 
> little chore and what pitfalls I am about to encounter. If you have done 
> this before and are not to ashamed of your work, please, please tell me 
> how you did it?  What contact cement did you use?  A detailed step by step 
> procedure? Heck is there one on the TU web site?   I'll look...  I want to 
> do this tomorrow or the next day.. I still have some minor trimming to do.
>
> Many thanks, in advance!!!
>
> larry
>
> -- 
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
> _______________________________________________
>
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install
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I second the idea to drill your stud holes. You can then use a Ice Pick from 
below to locate the stud locations without messing up your pad after you 
glue it down.
Nick
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install


> Great plan. PRACTICE before using the glue.
>
> Michael Shortt
> On Nov 13, 2013 3:39 PM, "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf@mayfco.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, so I have my old dash pad off, in a zillion pieces, cracked all over
>> the place. I see from both the metal onder it and frm th epieced togethr
>> old pad, tht it was glued down around the outer edge about an  1 1/2
>>  inchesd wide from one end to the other. And around the vent openings.
>> Contact cement of some sort was used but sparingly.  Also under the dash
>> behind the front metal facia, it was glued down.  I seem to remember that
>> there was a short discussion on gluing the pad down.   I am going to put
>> the new pad on like the old one was on.
>>
>> The questions I have is one of technique and procedure.   I head that one
>> put contact cement on the two parts and let it set up. Then put down wax
>> paper on the bottom, then some short sections of dowels (size, length) 
>> and
>> then maybe some more wax paper over the dowels to keep the upper pad from
>> gluing itself to the dowels.   Then place the dash pad into close 
>> proximity
>> to the final location and get it aligned to some tape marks I have made.
>>  While my helper is pushing the pad forward into alignment, I will pull 
>> the
>> dowels from the center most locations and when in alignment, press the
>> pieces together. I will do that working from the center to the outer 
>> ends.
>> When that is finished, I will put contact cement on the tuck under pieces
>> that go up and over the top of the dash and then when that glue is ready
>> tuck all those pieces into place.  I will probably do those working from
>> the center outward also.
>>
>> If any of that sounds goofy, just consider who is making the plan, lol. I
>> would dearly love to hear from any and all who have actually done this
>> little chore and what pitfalls I am about to encounter. If you have done
>> this before and are not to ashamed of your work, please, please tell me 
>> how
>> you did it?  What contact cement did you use?  A detailed step by step
>> procedure? Heck is there one on the TU web site?   I'll look...  I want 
>> to
>> do this tomorrow or the next day.. I still have some minor trimming to 
>> do.
>>
>> Many thanks, in advance!!!
>>
>> larry
>>
>> --
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Are the Tiger's frame dimensions available in a published source other than
the information being sold on ebay?
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In the Tiger workshop manual, page O2.

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmO2.asp

This book is available in print from Sunbeam Specialties, as well as the
scraped-off-the-web versions you can buy on eBay. Support your
brick-and-mortar parts source...

Theo


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On 11/13/2013 12:36 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote:
> Ok, so I have my old dash pad off, in a zillion pieces, cracked all 
> over the place. I see from both the metal onder it and frm th epieced 
> togethr old pad, tht it was glued down around the outer edge about an  
> 1 1/2  inchesd wide from one end to the other. And around the vent 
> openings.   Contact cement of some sort was used but sparingly.  Also 
> under the dash behind the front metal facia, it was glued down.  I 
> seem to remember that there was a short discussion on gluing the pad 
> down.   I am going to put the new pad on like the old one was on.
Doc,

Denis beat me with his response about drilling the four holes down where 
the toneau studs used to be.  If you use a small drill (~#50) you can 
use a sharpened welding rod to push up from the bottom and puncture and 
accurately locate the holes that the new studs can be screwed into, 
after the pad is glued in place.  Before you get to that, you could also 
drill the top sheet for riv-nuts and then use threaded studs in place of 
the OEM sheetmetal style.  They come with longer studs and this makes 
them more permanent (as if 50 years wasn't permanent enough).  I'd also 
advise using small diameter stainless flat washers between the bottom of 
the studs and the vinyl cover. They spread the depression at the studs 
and reduce the tendency to crack the vinyl when tightening the studs.  
The riv-nuts also hold these threaded studs in better alignment, and you 
don't have to tighten them as much.

Centering the pad is typically done to split the material on either end 
at the windshield/seal mounting fins.  You can "adjust" the vent holes 
and their mounting screw holes, and the center windshield hole with an 
Exact-o knife after the pad is placed.  As delivered, you may find 
excess foam in the area that will be under the windshield frame.  You'll 
want to remove this or you will be fighting it when you replace your 
windshield frame and seal.  You will also need a decent heat gun to warm 
the vinyl at the ends and to wrap and bend it under the lip of the dash 
sheetmetal.  I hope your dashboard is either removed or is at least 
dropped from it's normal location.  If not, you'll be fighting with it 
to wrap and "place" the vinyl under the lip.  I spend a lot of time 
"preparing" the dash-pad in a dry configuration, before gluing it down.  
It should pretty much drop into it's final location before your ready to 
glue it down.  That's really the easy part.

-- 
Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net
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From: Tony Lang <achd73@yahoo.com>
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	<drmayf@mayfco.com>, Tiger e-mail List <tigers@autox.team.net>
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Just getting back on line, so at the end of this subject.Not sure if it has
been mentioned but there is a method of using needles or stick pins to mark
the tonneau cover post and the screw holes for the defroster vents----the
vents may not be a problem but in the past many have forgotten the studs and
used them to hold down the two outside defrost vents while they are actually
in a place designed to each side and indivisual of the vents. Hope this is of
help and understandable for 4 a.m.
 
Tony Lang (TtT)



On Thursday, November
14, 2013 3:28 AM, Tom Hall <modtiger@comcast.net> wrote:
 
On 11/13/2013 12:36
PM, Larry Mayfield wrote:
> Ok, so I have my old dash pad off, in a zillion
pieces, cracked all 
> over the place. I see from both the metal onder it and
frm th epieced 
> togethr old pad, tht it was glued down around the outer edge
about an  
> 1 1/2  inchesd wide from one end to the other. And around the
vent 
> openings.   Contact cement of some sort was used but sparingly.  Also
> under the dash behind the front metal facia, it was glued down.  I 
> seem
to remember that there was a short discussion on gluing the pad 
> down.   I
am going to put the new pad on like the old one was on.
Doc,

Denis beat me
with his response about drilling the four holes down where 
the toneau studs
used to be.  If you use a small drill (~#50) you can 
use a sharpened welding
rod to push up from the bottom and puncture and 
accurately locate the holes
that the new studs can be screwed into, 
after the pad is glued in place. 
Before you get to that, you could also 
drill the top sheet for riv-nuts and
then use threaded studs in place of 
the OEM sheetmetal style.  They come with
longer studs and this makes 
them more permanent (as if 50 years wasn't
permanent enough).  I'd also 
advise using small diameter stainless flat
washers between the bottom of 
the studs and the vinyl cover. They spread the
depression at the studs 
and reduce the tendency to crack the vinyl when
tightening the studs.  
The riv-nuts also hold these threaded studs in better
alignment, and you 
don't have to tighten them as much.

Centering the pad is
typically done to split the material on either end 
at the windshield/seal
mounting fins.  You can "adjust" the vent holes 
and their mounting screw
holes, and the center windshield hole with an 
Exact-o knife after the pad is
placed.  As delivered, you may find 
excess foam in the area that will be
under the windshield frame.  You'll 
want to remove this or you will be
fighting it when you replace your 
windshield frame and seal.  You will also
need a decent heat gun to warm 
the vinyl at the ends and to wrap and bend it
under the lip of the dash 
sheetmetal.  I hope your dashboard is either
removed or is at least 
dropped from it's normal location.  If not, you'll be
fighting with it 
to wrap and "place" the vinyl under the lip.  I spend a lot
of time 
"preparing" the dash-pad in a dry configuration, before gluing it
down.  
It should pretty much drop into it's final location before your ready
to 
glue it down.  That's really the easy part.

-- 
Tom Hall
ModTiger
Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net
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Because Rick McLeod at Sunbeam Specialties sells the new pads, 
what does he suggest as a general rule to use for the new pad? Also, for
 the person who's installing the new pad, pay attention to the two outer
 aluminum/vinyl-trimmed pieces and long center cardboard piece that 
affixes the lower edge of the pad just above the wood instrument panel. 
They were originally attached with rivets, and you may want to 
pre-locate the rivet holes for the new pad in order to use the same 
holes with your new rivets.

Rande Bellman
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I did this about 15 years ago with a cover from Rick.  I did cut the foam
out under the windshield.  I mounted it first to compress the foam to find
where to cut.  I had to cut further in than my compression markings because
the rubber still interferred.

Also, I recall it was tricking at the two outer edges where the edge of the
metal lip went up and had to go through the cover.  I cut it out there.  I
wonder though if someone has a more elegant solution.

I did what Rick said to do in those days: put the contact cement on both
sides, lay wax paper in between, lay it down and pull out the wax paper.  I
will say though that it was NOT easy.  The wax paper stuck just from the
pressure and friction.  It then ripped.  This caused a lot of frustration.
I note that in an older post, someone mentioned dowels.  That seems like it
would help.  I don't recall.  But at this point I would suggest not putting
contact cement on the verticle face of the dash board - and only glue the
top face.  Or, at least put a non-instantaneous stick glue at the front.
But, I don't think I did that.  I think the problem was that perhaps parts
of the forward edge might have stuck before I could get the rear edge down
where it was supposed to be.  Maybe I'd suggest just glueing towards that
last few inches of the forward edge and let the rear edge simply be held
down by the wrap of the material down and around the rear edge (near the
dash) where the flat board held it up - with the riviets that Rande
mentions.

Also, someone mentioned that some people put tonneau snaps in the holes for
the screws on the defroster vents.  I do believe that is in fact how it
came from the factory in some years.  Those might have been pre-Tiger,
Alpine only years.  But there were definitely cars that way that were not
just accidents by the owners.

Jay


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:12 PM, snakebit289 <snakebit289@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Because Rick McLeod at Sunbeam Specialties sells the new pads,
> what does he suggest as a general rule to use for the new pad? Also, for
>  the person who's installing the new pad, pay attention to the two outer
>  aluminum/vinyl-trimmed pieces and long center cardboard piece that
> affixes the lower edge of the pad just above the wood instrument panel.
> They were originally attached with rivets, and you may want to
> pre-locate the rivet holes for the new pad in order to use the same
> holes with your new rivets.
>
> Rande Bellman
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Ok, so now the pad is glued on.  Today I removed the dash panel becaus 
eit is 49 years old and looks it. Back side is flaking off badly. Front 
side is cracked and chipping badly. SO I am going to order a new one. I, 
just for chuckles,  surfed ebay and found 11 of them. I looked at each 
and every one of them and no tone was for a MK 1.  So I have to find the 
right one somewhere. I know all the usual spots to look.    But in that 
process, I need to replace the gage to dash small teeny orings that go 
between teh bezel of the gage and the glass for the tach, speedo, fuel, 
oil and water gages. If one among you has the right dash numbers and 
part numbers I will get those ordered from McMaster Carr or one who 
supports LBCs  this week end.  Any ideas?   Also, I had long long ago, 
installed an ammeter and I nver liked that Idea becaus ethe juice to-ing 
and froing the batter/generator was going though that sire. A short 
could have been bad indeed. So I have removed that but now want to 
install a simple volt meter.  Is there a donor car somewhere that I 
might select one from and buy? Triumphs? MG? Jag, Something that looks 
kinda like it belongs... Or even suggest sources I might look at on the 
web...

I'd appreciate it...

larry

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Smiths offers/offered a generally similar one.


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com> wrote:

> Ok, so now the pad is glued on.  Today I removed the dash panel becaus eit
> is 49 years old and looks it. Back side is flaking off badly. Front side is
> cracked and chipping badly. SO I am going to order a new one. I, just for
> chuckles,  surfed ebay and found 11 of them. I looked at each and every one
> of them and no tone was for a MK 1.  So I have to find the right one
> somewhere. I know all the usual spots to look.    But in that process, I
> need to replace the gage to dash small teeny orings that go between teh
> bezel of the gage and the glass for the tach, speedo, fuel, oil and water
> gages. If one among you has the right dash numbers and part numbers I will
> get those ordered from McMaster Carr or one who supports LBCs  this week
> end.  Any ideas?   Also, I had long long ago, installed an ammeter and I
> nver liked that Idea becaus ethe juice to-ing and froing the
> batter/generator was going though that sire. A short could have been bad
> indeed. So I have removed that but now want to install a simple volt meter.
>  Is there a donor car somewhere that I might select one from and buy?
> Triumphs? MG? Jag, Something that looks kinda like it belongs... Or even
> suggest sources I might look at on the web...
>
> I'd appreciate it...
>
> larry
>
> --
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> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
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On 6/4/2013 10:05 AM, Paul R. Breuhan wrote:
> You get get them from...
> Auto Electric Spares (http://www.autoelectricalspares.co.uk) and
> MJC Products (http://www.classicbezels.com/)...both in the U.K.
>
> Also both sell on ebay...which is the best way to deal with them.
> AES is username "djmalm1" and MJC is username "mjcprod"
>
> MJC has a kit (bezel, glass, o-ring and nuts)...see auction #310352405950
>
> I just bought some from MJC last week.
>
> For a general search you need to use "Smiths" or "Jeager" and read the auction
> description carefully to get the full V bezels.
>
> Good Luck,
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 06:15:27 -0700
>> From: jmartiniii@yahoo.com
>> To: Tigers@autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings
>>
>> Does anyone have a source to secure the correct 'v' style, I believe they
> are
>> called, Tiger gauge bezels, glass and O rings for the face of our gauges?
> I
>> would like to pretty up the gauge faces.  They are currently fitted to old
>> plastic Alpine dash without glove box side to see if they work and complete
>> install of new wiring harness.  Costs are getting out of hand and will only
>> send the ones that do not work, out for repair.
>>
>> Was there a O ring on the back of the guage to protect the wood dash when
>> fitted?
>>
>> Regards
>> Joel Martin
>> _______________________________________________
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Agree on the Smiths voltmeter.  Except for the name, you would think it 
belongs.  IIRC, I had to paint the pointer orange to match...  Or maybe it 
was the ammeter I painted orange.  I have both, the ammeter in the usual 
place, and the voltmeter in place of the clock.  Why, yes, I am an EE.

Stu

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jay Laifman
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 7:12 PM
To: drmayf
Cc: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ...

Smiths offers/offered a generally similar one.


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com> wrote:

> Ok, so now the pad is glued on.  Today I removed the dash panel becaus eit
> is 49 years old and looks it. Back side is flaking off badly. Front side 
> is
> cracked and chipping badly. SO I am going to order a new one. I, just for
> chuckles,  surfed ebay and found 11 of them. I looked at each and every 
> one
> of them and no tone was for a MK 1.  So I have to find the right one
> somewhere. I know all the usual spots to look.    But in that process, I
> need to replace the gage to dash small teeny orings that go between teh
> bezel of the gage and the glass for the tach, speedo, fuel, oil and water
> gages. If one among you has the right dash numbers and part numbers I will
> get those ordered from McMaster Carr or one who supports LBCs  this week
> end.  Any ideas?   Also, I had long long ago, installed an ammeter and I
> nver liked that Idea becaus ethe juice to-ing and froing the
> batter/generator was going though that sire. A short could have been bad
> indeed. So I have removed that but now want to install a simple volt 
> meter.
>  Is there a donor car somewhere that I might select one from and buy?
> Triumphs? MG? Jag, Something that looks kinda like it belongs... Or even
> suggest sources I might look at on the web...
>
> I'd appreciate it...
>
> larry
>
> --
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
> _______________________________________________
>
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More info... My voltmeter came out of Triumph product, a Spitfire, IIRC. 
Never saw the car, it was a phone deal from a stripper yard a couple states 
away.  Many years back.

Stu

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jay Laifman
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 7:12 PM
To: drmayf
Cc: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ...

Smiths offers/offered a generally similar one.


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com> wrote:

> Ok, so now the pad is glued on.  Today I removed the dash panel becaus eit
> is 49 years old and looks it. Back side is flaking off badly. Front side 
> is
> cracked and chipping badly. SO I am going to order a new one. I, just for
> chuckles,  surfed ebay and found 11 of them. I looked at each and every 
> one
> of them and no tone was for a MK 1.  So I have to find the right one
> somewhere. I know all the usual spots to look.    But in that process, I
> need to replace the gage to dash small teeny orings that go between teh
> bezel of the gage and the glass for the tach, speedo, fuel, oil and water
> gages. If one among you has the right dash numbers and part numbers I will
> get those ordered from McMaster Carr or one who supports LBCs  this week
> end.  Any ideas?   Also, I had long long ago, installed an ammeter and I
> nver liked that Idea becaus ethe juice to-ing and froing the
> batter/generator was going though that sire. A short could have been bad
> indeed. So I have removed that but now want to install a simple volt 
> meter.
>  Is there a donor car somewhere that I might select one from and buy?
> Triumphs? MG? Jag, Something that looks kinda like it belongs... Or even
> suggest sources I might look at on the web...
>
> I'd appreciate it...
>
> larry
>
> --
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
> _______________________________________________
>
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From: "Joe Brown" <jbbrown1980@gmail.com>
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You can also get the parts you need from
Barrie Robinson <barrie@look.ca> or Peter Bayer <pbayer@bestweb.net>  


Thanks,
Joe Brown
Arlington, TX
B382000217



-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Chris Thompson
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings

On 6/4/2013 10:05 AM, Paul R. Breuhan wrote:
> You get get them from...
> Auto Electric Spares (http://www.autoelectricalspares.co.uk) and MJC 
> Products (http://www.classicbezels.com/)...both in the U.K.
>
> Also both sell on ebay...which is the best way to deal with them.
> AES is username "djmalm1" and MJC is username "mjcprod"
>
> MJC has a kit (bezel, glass, o-ring and nuts)...see auction 
> #310352405950
>
> I just bought some from MJC last week.
>
> For a general search you need to use "Smiths" or "Jeager" and read the 
> auction description carefully to get the full V bezels.
>
> Good Luck,
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 06:15:27 -0700
>> From: jmartiniii@yahoo.com
>> To: Tigers@autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings
>>
>> Does anyone have a source to secure the correct 'v' style, I believe 
>> they
> are
>> called, Tiger gauge bezels, glass and O rings for the face of our gauges?
> I
>> would like to pretty up the gauge faces.  They are currently fitted 
>> to old plastic Alpine dash without glove box side to see if they work 
>> and complete install of new wiring harness.  Costs are getting out of 
>> hand and will only send the ones that do not work, out for repair.
>>
>> Was there a O ring on the back of the guage to protect the wood dash 
>> when fitted?
>>
>> Regards
>> Joel Martin
>> _______________________________________________
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I should have included web sites.  For Barrie look at
http://www.britcot.com/O-ring%20Price%20list.htm and for Peter look at
http://www.nisonger.com/about.htm. 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 9:34 PM
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Subject: RE: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings

You can also get the parts you need from Barrie Robinson <barrie@look.ca> or
Peter Bayer <pbayer@bestweb.net>  


Thanks,
Joe Brown
Arlington, TX
B382000217



-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Chris Thompson
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings

On 6/4/2013 10:05 AM, Paul R. Breuhan wrote:
> You get get them from...
> Auto Electric Spares (http://www.autoelectricalspares.co.uk) and MJC 
> Products (http://www.classicbezels.com/)...both in the U.K.
>
> Also both sell on ebay...which is the best way to deal with them.
> AES is username "djmalm1" and MJC is username "mjcprod"
>
> MJC has a kit (bezel, glass, o-ring and nuts)...see auction
> #310352405950
>
> I just bought some from MJC last week.
>
> For a general search you need to use "Smiths" or "Jeager" and read the 
> auction description carefully to get the full V bezels.
>
> Good Luck,
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 06:15:27 -0700
>> From: jmartiniii@yahoo.com
>> To: Tigers@autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings
>>
>> Does anyone have a source to secure the correct 'v' style, I believe 
>> they
> are
>> called, Tiger gauge bezels, glass and O rings for the face of our gauges?
> I
>> would like to pretty up the gauge faces.  They are currently fitted 
>> to old plastic Alpine dash without glove box side to see if they work 
>> and complete install of new wiring harness.  Costs are getting out of 
>> hand and will only send the ones that do not work, out for repair.
>>
>> Was there a O ring on the back of the guage to protect the wood dash 
>> when fitted?
>>
>> Regards
>> Joel Martin
>> _______________________________________________
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From: "Paul R. Breuhan" <prbreuhan@hotmail.com>
To: Stu Brennan <stubrennan@comcast.net>, drmayf <drmayf@mayfco.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:42:57 -0500
References: <5286B544.5050709@mayfco.com>,
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ...
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I got a couple matching voltmeters sitting on my fireplace mantel...why put in
a non-matching retread of a gauge?Voltmeter
sample:http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/VOLTMETER.jpgAnd I still have one
refaced Jaeger matching amp
gauge...http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/oldnewamps.jpg(compare the original
Lucas gauge on the left to the redone one on the right)Recently I did some
late style (Series 5 Alpine/Mk2 Tiger) gauge/heater panel/dash tag work for a
nice Norwegian fellow matching his aftermarket speedo and
tachometer.http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/BirgerGauges.jpg
Shoot me an email if interested in any details.
Also there are several sources out there for o-rings, glass and chrome
bezels.Paul

> From: stubrennan@comcast.net
> To: drmayf@mayfco.com
> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 21:15:47 -0500
> CC: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ...
>
> Agree on the Smiths voltmeter.  Except for the name, you would think it
> belongs.  IIRC, I had to paint the pointer orange to match...  Or maybe it
> was the ammeter I painted orange.  I have both, the ammeter in the usual
> place, and the voltmeter in place of the clock.  Why, yes, I am an EE.
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Laifman
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 7:12 PM
> To: drmayf
> Cc: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ...
>
> Smiths offers/offered a generally similar one.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com> wrote:
>
> > Ok, so now the pad is glued on.  Today I removed the dash panel becaus
eit
> > is 49 years old and looks it. Back side is flaking off badly. Front side
> > is
> > cracked and chipping badly. SO I am going to order a new one. I, just for
> > chuckles,  surfed ebay and found 11 of them. I looked at each and every
> > one
> > of them and no tone was for a MK 1.  So I have to find the right one
> > somewhere. I know all the usual spots to look.    But in that process, I
> > need to replace the gage to dash small teeny orings that go between teh
> > bezel of the gage and the glass for the tach, speedo, fuel, oil and water
> > gages. If one among you has the right dash numbers and part numbers I
will
> > get those ordered from McMaster Carr or one who supports LBCs  this week
> > end.  Any ideas?   Also, I had long long ago, installed an ammeter and I
> > nver liked that Idea becaus ethe juice to-ing and froing the
> > batter/generator was going though that sire. A short could have been bad
> > indeed. So I have removed that but now want to install a simple volt
> > meter.
> >  Is there a donor car somewhere that I might select one from and buy?
> > Triumphs? MG? Jag, Something that looks kinda like it belongs... Or even
> > suggest sources I might look at on the web...
> >
> > I'd appreciate it...
> >
> > larry
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gotta love this hotmail/email stuff working link to the voltmeter



http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/VOLTMETER.jpg





> From: prbreuhan@hotmail.com
> To: stubrennan@comcast.net; drmayf@mayfco.com
> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:42:57 -0500
> CC: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ...
>
> I got a couple matching voltmeters sitting on my fireplace mantel...why put
in
> a non-matching retread of a gauge?Voltmeter
> sample:http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/VOLTMETER.jpgAnd I still have one
> refaced Jaeger matching amp
> gauge...http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/oldnewamps.jpg(compare the original
> Lucas gauge on the left to the redone one on the right)Recently I did some
> late style (Series 5 Alpine/Mk2 Tiger) gauge/heater panel/dash tag work for
a
> nice Norwegian fellow matching his aftermarket speedo and
> tachometer.http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/BirgerGauges.jpg
> Shoot me an email if interested in any details.
> Also there are several sources out there for o-rings, glass and chrome
> bezels.Paul
>
> > From: stubrennan@comcast.net
> > To: drmayf@mayfco.com
> > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 21:15:47 -0500
> > CC: tigers@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ...
> >
> > Agree on the Smiths voltmeter.  Except for the name, you would think it
> > belongs.  IIRC, I had to paint the pointer orange to match...  Or maybe
it
> > was the ammeter I painted orange.  I have both, the ammeter in the usual
> > place, and the voltmeter in place of the clock.  Why, yes, I am an EE.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jay Laifman
> > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 7:12 PM
> > To: drmayf
> > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ...
> >
> > Smiths offers/offered a generally similar one.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, so now the pad is glued on.  Today I removed the dash panel becaus
> eit
> > > is 49 years old and looks it. Back side is flaking off badly. Front
side
> > > is
> > > cracked and chipping badly. SO I am going to order a new one. I, just
for
> > > chuckles,  surfed ebay and found 11 of them. I looked at each and every
> > > one
> > > of them and no tone was for a MK 1.  So I have to find the right one
> > > somewhere. I know all the usual spots to look.    But in that process,
I
> > > need to replace the gage to dash small teeny orings that go between teh
> > > bezel of the gage and the glass for the tach, speedo, fuel, oil and
water
> > > gages. If one among you has the right dash numbers and part numbers I
> will
> > > get those ordered from McMaster Carr or one who supports LBCs  this
week
> > > end.  Any ideas?   Also, I had long long ago, installed an ammeter and
I
> > > nver liked that Idea becaus ethe juice to-ing and froing the
> > > batter/generator was going though that sire. A short could have been
bad
> > > indeed. So I have removed that but now want to install a simple volt
> > > meter.
> > >  Is there a donor car somewhere that I might select one from and buy?
> > > Triumphs? MG? Jag, Something that looks kinda like it belongs... Or
even
> > > suggest sources I might look at on the web...
> > >
> > > I'd appreciate it...
> > >
> > > larry
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Hopefully this link works. It's from Hagerty about a train that also
transports cars with the owners, and uses a Tiger in their ads. Though you'd
like it.

http://www.hagerty.com/classic-car-articles-resources/Features/News/All-Artic
les/2013/11/07/Ride-the-Rails?utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_ter
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You can buy the posters for $10 directly from Amtrak at
http://store.amtrak.com/ProductDetail.aspx?did=5551&pid=61295


Thanks,
Joe Brown
Arlington, TX
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Hopefully this link works. It's from Hagerty about a train that also
transports cars with the owners, and uses a Tiger in their ads. Though you'd
like it.

http://www.hagerty.com/classic-car-articles-resources/Features/News/All-Arti
c
les/2013/11/07/Ride-the-Rails?utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_te
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I need to spell check, lol... corrected spelling and ramblings, lol....

mayf

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On 11/15/2013 3:59 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote:
> Ok, so now the pad is glued on.  Today I removed the dash panel 
> becaus  it is 49 years old and looks it. Back side is flaking off 
> badly. Front side is cracked and chipping badly. So, I am going to 
> order a new one. I, just for chuckles,  surfed ebay and found 11 of 
> them. I looked at each and every one of them and not one was for a MK 
> 1.  So I have to find the right one somewhere. I know all the usual 
> spots to look.    But in that process, I need to replace the gage to 
> dash small teeny o-rings that go between the  gage and thedash wood 
> for the tach, speedo, fuel, oil and water gages. If one among you has 
> the right dash numbers and part numbers I will get those ordered from 
> McMaster Carr or one who supports LBCs this week end.  Any ideas?   
> Also, I had long long ago, installed an ammeter and I never liked that 
> idea because the juice to-ing and fro-ing the batter/generator was 
> going though that wire. A short could have been bad indeed. So I have 
> removed that, but now want to install a simple volt meter.  Is there a 
> donor car brand/model   that I might select one from and buy? 
> Triumphs? MG? Jag, Something that looks kinda like it belongs... Or 
> even suggest sources I might look at on the web...
>
> I'd appreciate it...
>
> larry
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The publisher of Classic Motorsports used the Autotrain to bring his Tiger, 
and himself of course, north from Florida to the Tigers East "United" in 
Maryland.  Lots of discussion of this is in the forum section of their web 
page.

Stu

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To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty story

Hopefully this link works. It's from Hagerty about a train that also
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les/2013/11/07/Ride-the-Rails?utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_ter
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The ohmmeter rides in the trunk.  And my antique scope, a HP full of vacuum 
tubes, would not fit in the trunk.  I get to play with all the new tricky 
stuff at work, Philips medical home monitoring group.

Stu

-----Original Message----- 
From: Larry Mayfield
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:25 PM
To: Stu Brennan
Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ...

But do you have an ohm meter or oscope wired in any where?  I mean, how
can you call yourself an EE if you don't lol...  You have a pocket
protector also? I still us my sliderule... batteries never run down on
it... mostly for stirring my coffee, though...

larry

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On 11/15/2013 6:15 PM, Stu Brennan wrote:
> Agree on the Smiths voltmeter.  Except for the name, you would think it 
> belongs.  IIRC, I had to paint the pointer orange to match...  Or maybe it 
> was the ammeter I painted orange. I have both, the ammeter in the usual 
> place, and the voltmeter in place of the clock.  Why, yes, I am an EE.
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jay Laifman
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 7:12 PM
> To: drmayf
> Cc: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ...
>
> Smiths offers/offered a generally similar one.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, so now the pad is glued on.  Today I removed the dash panel becaus 
>> eit
>> is 49 years old and looks it. Back side is flaking off badly. Front side 
>> is
>> cracked and chipping badly. SO I am going to order a new one. I, just for
>> chuckles,  surfed ebay and found 11 of them. I looked at each and every 
>> one
>> of them and no tone was for a MK 1.  So I have to find the right one
>> somewhere. I know all the usual spots to look.    But in that process, I
>> need to replace the gage to dash small teeny orings that go between teh
>> bezel of the gage and the glass for the tach, speedo, fuel, oil and water
>> gages. If one among you has the right dash numbers and part numbers I 
>> will
>> get those ordered from McMaster Carr or one who supports LBCs this week
>> end.  Any ideas?   Also, I had long long ago, installed an ammeter and I
>> nver liked that Idea becaus ethe juice to-ing and froing the
>> batter/generator was going though that sire. A short could have been bad
>> indeed. So I have removed that but now want to install a simple volt 
>> meter.
>>  Is there a donor car somewhere that I might select one from and buy?
>> Triumphs? MG? Jag, Something that looks kinda like it belongs... Or even
>> suggest sources I might look at on the web...
>>
>> I'd appreciate it...
>>
>> larry
>>
>> -- 
>> ______________________________
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>> 204.913 mph flying mile
>> 210.779 mph exit speed
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Larry, if you haven't checked with them yet, a San Jose area company
Prestigewood, and also Rick McLeod sell Tiger-specific  ones. Rick's may even
come from Prestigewood, and if you need help ordering one that's specific to a
MK 1 as opposed to a MK 1A, they may be able to direct you to the correct one.
My new one came from Rick. It didn't come with the wood wedge that you wrap
the grab handle vinyl around, but if you're careful, that can be gingerly
removed and glued to the new panel.

If need be, I can shoot a photo of it for
you.

Rande Bellman
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That was a great piece to read. For owners travelling either direction, it gives you a little more piece of mind that you and your Tiger will get to where you're going with confidence. Thanks Tim and Hagerty.
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From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com>
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they say it was a more fun alternative to towing the car to the event on
busy interstates.  i'm surprised they didn't mention the more obvious
alternative to me which would have been just driving the tiger.   would
have been more fun and a lot cheaper too.


On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Stu Brennan <stubrennan@comcast.net> wrote:

> The publisher of Classic Motorsports used the Autotrain to bring his
> Tiger, and himself of course, north from Florida to the Tigers East
> "United" in Maryland.  Lots of discussion of this is in the forum section
> of their web page.
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message----- From: steve wick
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:51 PM
>
> To: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty story
>
> Hopefully this link works. It's from Hagerty about a train that also
> transports cars with the owners, and uses a Tiger in their ads. Though
> you'd
> like it.
>
> http://www.hagerty.com/classic-car-articles-resources/Features/News/All-
> Artic
> les/2013/11/07/Ride-the-Rails?utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_
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Mayf:

You can get an idea of the various voltmeters that kinda match by doing 
a search for "Smiths voltmeter" on eBay UK.

Sunpro also makes a voltmeter with white numerals and red pointer on a 
black background. Unfortunately, the bezel is black, rather than chrome. 
Made in China, of course.

You can also try http://jollyrogersmotors.com/ and search for voltmeter. 
They have a number of items for Tigers, including replacement washer 
bottles of the later type, if anyone is interested.

Cheers,

Tod
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I am embarrassed to ask, but would someone please tell me which side of the car the H (High) unit is mounted, as they came from the factory? (Driver's side or passenger's side for a LHD car?). I am reinstalling them and of course neglected to mark them when I had them out. Might as well get it right as long as I am putting them back in. 


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Used to have the paint code/number for the model paint for our gages. Now
can't find it. Anybody remember?

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This was a bunch of years ago, so I'm remembering in pieces.  The voltmeter 
I got out of the Triumph had a black bezel.  The black was just paint, so it 
removed easily, and the metal beneath polished up nicely.  Still looks good 
after all these years.

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Harry
	I don't know about the model paint # but NPD carries Instrument
Gauge Needles paint; red/orange, white, green.

I would thing that the model paint would be one of the florescent line of
paints.

Ron Fraser

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Used to have the paint code/number for the model paint for our gages. Now
can't find it. Anybody remember?

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I used "Fluorescent Red"  number FS28915 from Model Master and it was a
really good match.  It is a little to the orange side of red but it matched
the unexposed parts of my needles.


Thanks,
Joe Brown
Arlington, TX
B382000217



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Used to have the paint code/number for the model paint for our gages. Now
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Harry,

I use Rust-oleum Fluorescent Red Orange (#1955) in a spray can.

Try and go as light as you can with the paint...use just enough to re-color
the needle and no more.

Paul



> From: harryb@elams.org
> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:08:33 -0500
> To: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Gage needle paint
>
> Used to have the paint code/number for the model paint for our gages. Now
> can't find it. Anybody remember?
>
> Harry Elam
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Gene
	The Parts List does not show a side for either horn.  Not sure if
there is a convention for the placement of the horns either.  They could go
on either side.  I never took note of which position they were in; I just
wanted them working.   Hopefully others on the lists were more observant and
can help you.

Ron Fraser

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I am embarrassed to ask, but would someone please tell me which side of the
car the H (High) unit is mounted, as they came from the factory? (Driver's
side or passenger's side for a LHD car?). I am reinstalling them and of
course neglected to mark them when I had them out. Might as well get it
right as long as I am putting them back in.


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For those who are into gathering ANY info or statements regarding the Tiger,
there is this little article (and complimentary statement) from my Pinto
friends:

http://www.fordpinto.com/general-pinto-talk/hello-fellow-keepers-of-the-flame
-a-long-one-from-the-new-guy-71hanto/msg142371/?topicseen#new

Scroll down to post #106  and click on the first page of the article to
enlarge it.  The Tiger is mentioned about midway in the third paragraph. The
car itself is an interesting twist on  the Tiger, - being an American Ford
with a British engine/transmission swap.

Tom
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Thanks Ron, 


I guess I could make this a little bit of a survey. The horns, at least mine, have either a "H" or a "L" molded into the lip and is fairly easy to see through the grill opening. If anyone is inclined to have a look at theirs, I would be interested in hearing on which side the H horn is located. (I can figure out the rest :>) 


I had previously made horn hole blockoff plates but did a poor job of locating the holes for the wires. Also made longer brackets to put the horns fully in front of the plates. I am looking to redo the plates with better wire hole locations, and which side I mount the horns to be directed straight ahead affects the wire hole placement. 


Gene 

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Gene 
The Parts List does not show a side for either horn. Not sure if 
there is a convention for the placement of the horns either. They could go 
on either side. I never took note of which position they were in; I just 
wanted them working. Hopefully others on the lists were more observant and 
can help you. 

Ron Fraser 

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I am embarrassed to ask, but would someone please tell me which side of the 
car the H (High) unit is mounted, as they came from the factory? (Driver's 
side or passenger's side for a LHD car?). I am reinstalling them and of 
course neglected to mark them when I had them out. Might as well get it 
right as long as I am putting them back in. 


Thanks, 


Gene 
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Ok, so I am still putting things back together on my Tiger of nearly 47 
years ownership.. I will shortly start on the soft top area. I have hit 
a snag however. Since this is a MK1, it has the metal covers for the 
soft top. My question is about the small side panels that fold down. On 
the ends of those, the ends that fold under the big center piece, there 
are rubber finishers. They, at least on this car, are held on with brass 
rivets of some sort. They appear to be a nested type of device with a 
pop rivet like piece that locks the pieces in place, a 2 piece system. I 
can find similar, but, nothing exactly like those.  Is there a 
replacement available anywhere? Substitute?

Many thanks!

larry

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Way back when, late 60's, I did a bit of drag racing with my car. I 
installed some racing seat belts and stored my OEM belts 
....somewhere......I think the gremlins have hidden them away, and 
hidden very well they are.  Looks like I will need to obtain some new 
ones.  But, I have no rememberance of what kind of buckle they had. Does 
anyone have, or can take, a photo of the buckle and send me a photo so I 
can sort of match them up with OEM?  There are a gazillion set belts on 
ebay..if I only knew what I was looking for....

little help please?    send photo to    drmayf@mayfco.com   ?

thanks,

larry

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Hmmm, I see that there are vintage style 3 point seat belts available. 
Didn't I see somewhere that the Tigers have the additional shoulder belt 
location at or around the B pillar or wheel tub behind the seats? Did I 
see that or am I still dreaming?  If so, about where is it actually and 
has anyone added the shoulder belt system to their cars?  Is there a 
speciofic length needed? Can retractable ones be used?

lary

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On 11/18/2013 8:16 AM, Larry Mayfield wrote:
> Way back when, late 60's, I did a bit of drag racing with my car. I 
> installed some racing seat belts and stored my OEM belts 
> ....somewhere......I think the gremlins have hidden them away, and 
> hidden very well they are.  Looks like I will need to obtain some new 
> ones.  But, I have no rememberance of what kind of buckle they had. 
> Does anyone have, or can take, a photo of the buckle and send me a 
> photo so I can sort of match them up with OEM?  There are a gazillion 
> set belts on ebay..if I only knew what I was looking for....
>
> little help please?    send photo to    drmayf@mayfco.com   ?
>
> thanks,
>
> larry
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Sunbeam Specialities sells the 3 point seat belts, but only have them in black. Victoria British has them in colors. I installed a set from SS last year. My motor has been out since that time so I have not had a chance to find out if I like them or not. 


The rear mounting point can seen by looking up into the rear wheel well while being on the outside of the car. There are bungs (probably under a bulge in the undercoat) welded to the sheet metal and filled with a plastic plug. Removing the plug is an exercise in patience, since the plastic has become very brittle after all these years. Try turning the plug inward a bit to break the thread seal and then work the plug back and forth as you try to back it out. I gave mine a shot of PB Blaster in the vague hope that might help. You do not want to break the plug because then you are dealing with plastic material jammed into the threads on the body. Once the plugs are out, you can poke a sharp pointed object through the hole and see where it comes out on the inside of the car. 


There is a "how to" article on the Tigers United website that describes the installation process for retractable belts, including the special problems for the Mark I. 


There was a nice thread posted recently on the CAT forum about original lap belts that is worth a look, including some pic's. The short version is that in the US these were dealer installed options so what you got varied based on the dealer. 


Gene 

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From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf@mayfco.com> 
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Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 11:28:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Refurb Question... MK 1 Seat Belts.... 

Hmmm, I see that there are vintage style 3 point seat belts available. 
Didn't I see somewhere that the Tigers have the additional shoulder belt 
location at or around the B pillar or wheel tub behind the seats? Did I 
see that or am I still dreaming? If so, about where is it actually and 
has anyone added the shoulder belt system to their cars? Is there a 
speciofic length needed? Can retractable ones be used? 

lary 

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204.913 mph flying mile 
210.779 mph exit speed 

On 11/18/2013 8:16 AM, Larry Mayfield wrote: 
> Way back when, late 60's, I did a bit of drag racing with my car. I 
> installed some racing seat belts and stored my OEM belts 
> ....somewhere......I think the gremlins have hidden them away, and 
> hidden very well they are. Looks like I will need to obtain some new 
> ones. But, I have no rememberance of what kind of buckle they had. 
> Does anyone have, or can take, a photo of the buckle and send me a 
> photo so I can sort of match them up with OEM? There are a gazillion 
> set belts on ebay..if I only knew what I was looking for.... 
> 
> little help please? send photo to drmayf@mayfco.com ? 
> 
> thanks, 
> 
> larry 
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Larry, sometimes, if you look at the rear wheel well from outside, you'll see a plastic cap that covers the threaded hole, my 1A is like that. Sometimes the hole for some reason is open, and you may need to chase the threads to bolt it up. You may have to look at the wheel well without the wheel installed.

Rande Bellman
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Gene
    Currently I have the Hi horn on the left side and the L horn on the
right side.
I took no note of which side they were originally on, so this is how I put
them back on my Tiger.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters


Thanks Ron,

I guess I could make this a little bit of a survey.  The horns, at least
mine, have either a "H" or a "L" molded into the lip and  is fairly easy to
see through the grill opening.  If anyone is inclined to have a look at
theirs, I would be interested in hearing on which side the H horn is
located.  (I can figure out the rest :>)

I had previously made horn hole blockoff plates but did a poor job of
locating the holes for the wires.   Also made longer brackets to put the
horns fully in front of the plates.  I am looking to redo the plates with
better wire hole locations, and  which side I mount the horns to be directed
straight ahead affects the wire hole placement.

Gene
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Larry,

Dont remove the rivets, you can slide the new side cover finisher seal over
the old rivets.

Tom

On Nov 18, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com> wrote:

> Ok, so I am still putting things back together on my Tiger of nearly 47
years ownership.. I will shortly start on the soft top area. I have hit a snag
however. Since this is a MK1, it has the metal covers for the soft top. My
question is about the small side panels that fold down. On the ends of those,
the ends that fold under the big center piece, there are rubber finishers.
They, at least on this car, are held on with brass rivets of some sort. They
appear to be a nested type of device with a pop rivet like piece that locks
the pieces in place, a 2 piece system. I can find similar, but, nothing
exactly like those.  Is there a replacement available anywhere? Substitute?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> larry
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For what its worth, I have the H on the drivers side(too?).
But I had them off the car for probably 35 years until I got
around to adjusting them and making them work again  ;-)
But, I think the way they were attached to their brackets
made them only go back in one way.
Gary

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Gene
    Currently I have the Hi horn on the left side and the L horn on the
right side.
I took no note of which side they were originally on, so this is how I put
them back on my Tiger.

Ron Fraser

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Thanks Ron,

I guess I could make this a little bit of a survey.  The horns, at least
mine, have either a "H" or a "L" molded into the lip and  is fairly easy to
see through the grill opening.  If anyone is inclined to have a look at
theirs, I would be interested in hearing on which side the H horn is
located.  (I can figure out the rest :>)

I had previously made horn hole blockoff plates but did a poor job of
locating the holes for the wires.   Also made longer brackets to put the
horns fully in front of the plates.  I am looking to redo the plates with
better wire hole locations, and  which side I mount the horns to be directed
straight ahead affects the wire hole placement.

Gene
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Hey, guys:

 

I'd like to get ahold of Larry Atkisson if possible.  Does anyone have his
direct e-mail address?  Thanks much!!!!

 

Andy Walker

Edmond, OK

B382001600LRXFE

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Andy, here is the last one I had. He stamped an engine plate for me last
spring.

catkisson@aol.com


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Hey, guys:

 

I'd like to get ahold of Larry Atkisson if possible.  Does anyone have his
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Andy Walker

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Gary, Ron, and Jim, 


Thanks for taking the time to look and share how your cars are set up. Judging from the limited response, the vast majority of Tiger owners must no longer have these horns on their cars. It was not a critical question, but interesting to me and thanks for caring enough to respond. 


Gene 
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I've thoroughly enjoyed pretty much every video Chris Harris has on Youtube
and this one is even better with a couple shots of a LeMans Tiger running
Goodwood @ 5:04 and running with the Lister Jaguar that Harris is driving
starting @ 8:54.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6x2RZB4O6s&feature=youtu.be&a


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Thanks Stephen, very very enjoyable. 


Gene 

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I've thoroughly enjoyed pretty much every video Chris Harris has on Youtube 
and this one is even better with a couple shots of a LeMans Tiger running 
Goodwood @ 5:04 and running with the Lister Jaguar that Harris is driving 
starting @ 8:54. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6x2RZB4O6s&feature=youtu.be&a 


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Ok more clearly, on my MK1, this is the fabric curtain that is riveted 
to the coachwork just under the rear cowl? and then snaps into place 
along the bottom.  It purpose I guess is to  separate the trunk from the 
cabin area, I guess.  Replacement ones are available, but, has anyone 
made3 one from aluminum sheet?  And sealed it around its edges?  I ask 
because the notion of two fuel tanks in the rear fenders which under 
wreck or crash conditions could let a lot of fuel into the truck and 
cabin area.  Also keeps fumes from coming into the cabin area as well. 
Battery fluids maybe... it just seems like a better thing to do that 
some loosey goosey fabric thingy.

So, if anyone has done that, do you have a pattern?  Looks like a lot of 
trimming and fitting to get one close to working...

Comments? Thoughts? A pattern?

larry

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Mayf,

I have something similar in my car.. not a fully sealed firewall... but
quite close, will see if i can get a photo for you this weekend.


On 22 November 2013 09:39, Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com> wrote:

> Ok more clearly, on my MK1, this is the fabric curtain that is riveted to
> the coachwork just under the rear cowl? and then snaps into place along the
> bottom.  It purpose I guess is to  separate the trunk from the cabin area,
> I guess.  Replacement ones are available, but, has anyone made3 one from
> aluminum sheet?  And sealed it around its edges?  I ask because the notion
> of two fuel tanks in the rear fenders which under wreck or crash conditions
> could let a lot of fuel into the truck and cabin area.  Also keeps fumes
> from coming into the cabin area as well. Battery fluids maybe... it just
> seems like a better thing to do that some loosey goosey fabric thingy.
>
> So, if anyone has done that, do you have a pattern?  Looks like a lot of
> trimming and fitting to get one close to working...
>
> Comments? Thoughts? A pattern?
>
> larry
>
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Of course, I meant Trunk to Cabin ....

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On 11/21/2013 2:39 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote:
> Ok more clearly, on my MK1, this is the fabric curtain that is riveted 
> to the coachwork just under the rear cowl? and then snaps into place 
> along the bottom.  It purpose I guess is to  separate the trunk from 
> the cabin area, I guess.  Replacement ones are available, but, has 
> anyone made3 one from aluminum sheet?  And sealed it around its 
> edges?  I ask because the notion of two fuel tanks in the rear fenders 
> which under wreck or crash conditions could let a lot of fuel into the 
> truck and cabin area.  Also keeps fumes from coming into the cabin 
> area as well. Battery fluids maybe... it just seems like a better 
> thing to do that some loosey goosey fabric thingy.
>
> So, if anyone has done that, do you have a pattern?  Looks like a lot 
> of trimming and fitting to get one close to working...
>
> Comments? Thoughts? A pattern?
>
> larry
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So, has anyone installed a large screen Navigation/Entertainment Systems 
in their Tiger? If so, share the info?

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Yes, a number of us have them.  You can see what road you are on, signs for upcoming turns, speed limits, and all that great info.  It's so big is has two little cleaning devices dedicated to it.  It's called "the windshield".  Oh, and the sound system is by Ford.

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Aahh, well... twas a serious question....

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> Yes, a number of us have them.  You can see what road you are on, signs for upcoming turns, speed limits, and all that great info.  It's so big is has two little cleaning devices dedicated to it.  It's called "the windshield".  Oh, and the sound system is by Ford.
>
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I have a very high-end sound system in my Tiger:

Music source: Shell V-Power 94, Sunoco Ultra 93, BP Amoco Ultimate 93
Pre-amp: Holley 670 Street Avenger
Amplifier: Ford 289 with 331 stroker kit
Speakers: Magnaflow 11224

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was there something silly in the question I asked? I love my sirius xm, 
my blue tooth phone and nav systems.  I was actually hoping that one of 
you had installed something like that in your cars and I could get a 
jump on searching for one I like for after market install, but I guess not.

larry

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> I have a very high-end sound system in my Tiger:
>
> Music source: Shell V-Power 94, Sunoco Ultra 93, BP Amoco Ultimate 93
> Pre-amp: Holley 670 Street Avenger
> Amplifier: Ford 289 with 331 stroker kit
> Speakers: Magnaflow 11224
>
> Any questions?
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Larry,

I have an Alpine Stereo Radio (Model CDE 103BT if it matters...)  in the
Kitty that can do most of what you want (I think... hope...). I mounted the
front speakers in the side recesses, the rear speakers on the baggage tray.
It works well except the car noise overwhelms the sound system unless I
really turn it up (which works fine tuned to an "oldies" station...). And I
carry a Garmin that sticks to the windshield if I need
 driving directions... and a smartphone which can do most stuff as long as
the sun isn't shining on it...

There's room for a "Tray" in ahead of the shifter if you need space for
toys...

Tom
'67 Mark 2


On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com> wrote:

> was there something silly in the question I asked? I love my sirius xm, my
> blue tooth phone and nav systems.  I was actually hoping that one of you
> had installed something like that in your cars and I could get a jump on
> searching for one I like for after market install, but I guess not.
>
> larry
>
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
>
> On 11/22/2013 5:40 AM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) wrote:
>
>> I have a very high-end sound system in my Tiger:
>>
>> Music source: Shell V-Power 94, Sunoco Ultra 93, BP Amoco Ultimate 93
>> Pre-amp: Holley 670 Street Avenger
>> Amplifier: Ford 289 with 331 stroker kit
>> Speakers: Magnaflow 11224
>>
>> Any questions?
>>
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OK, on a serious note, I adapted a standard bracket to hang a Garmin just
under the dash pad. It is held on with two little C-clamps underneath so no
cutting/damage involved, and is wired to the solenoid with an in-line fuse. I
used generic parts found in most El Cheapo Auto Parts stores. The most useful
thing about it is giving me an accurate reading of my speed.

As for music, my Tigers, like my motorcycles, are my therapy time away from
the daily clatter of the Human Stain so I prefer no sound track. However, on
long trips I do listen and use good isolation earbuds like the Shure SE315s
plugged into the iPhone, they are excellent for damping out the roar when
required (35+dB), and the fidelity is quite good for open car usage. The
ambient noise in a Tiger at 70 mph is well over 95dBs and worse with the soft
top up, at least according to my sound meter, so a high quality sound system
seems a bit useless in the car. Also, I did not want to commit to drilling
holes and other such damage to the interior.

Bugz

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Aahh, well... twas a serious question....

larry

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Gene,
 
I'm sorry to hear so few people responded to your question,  but...after 
thinking about it a bit, I have a few observations:
 
1) over the years, our 50 year-old horns get dodgy in  operation. If most 
are like me, I've had both out  my      
      workbench, whacked 'em, adjusted the  current adjustment screw, and 
whacked 'ed 'em again.
2) on reinstallation, as they could be reinstalled in either  side with no 
ill effects, I never gave any thought to
      'handing'. Mounting bolt point on the  horn is in the center of the 
reverse side of the conchoidal  horn       
       structure.
3) though the L and R are the same size and shape, they are mirror  images 
of each other. i.e. one  "coils" to 
       the left and one coils to the  right.
 
In sum, only someone that has owned their car from new, and can  attest to 
NEVER having had  the horns out, could give you an answer. I  personally 
know of no-one in this situation.

Best regards,
Jim Armstrong Mk1A


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1. Re: Clear Hooters  (genepadgett@comcast.net)

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Message:  1
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 03:28:10 +0000 (UTC)
From:  genepadgett@comcast.net
To: Gary Winblad <garywinblad@comcast.net>, Ron  Fraser
<rfraser@bluefrog.com>
Cc:  tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear  Hooters
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Gary, Ron, and  Jim, 


Thanks for taking the time to look and share how your cars are  set up. 
Judging from the limited response, the vast majority of Tiger owners  must no 
longer have these horns on their cars. It was not a critical question,  but 
interesting to me and thanks for caring enough to respond. 


Gene  


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 20  Nov 2013 19:39:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen Waybright  <gswaybright@yahoo.com>
To: "tigers@autox.team.net"  <tigers@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Chris Harris racing @  Goodwood with cameo by a
LeMans Tiger
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I've thoroughly enjoyed pretty much every  video Chris Harris has on Youtube
and this one is even better with a couple  shots of a LeMans Tiger running
Goodwood @ 5:04 and running with the Lister  Jaguar that Harris is driving
starting @  8:54.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6x2RZB4O6s&feature=youtu.be&a


Stephen
Waybright


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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:40:57 +0000 (UTC)
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Thanks Stephen,  very very enjoyable. 


Gene 

----- Original Message  -----
From: "Stephen Waybright" <gswaybright@yahoo.com> 
To:  tigers@autox.team.net 
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Subject: [Tigers] Chris Harris racing @ Goodwood with cameo by a LeMans  
Tiger 

I've thoroughly enjoyed pretty much every video Chris Harris has  on 
Youtube 
and this one is even better with a couple shots of a LeMans Tiger  running 
Goodwood @ 5:04 and running with the Lister Jaguar that Harris is  driving 
starting @ 8:54.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6x2RZB4O6s&feature=youtu.be&a  


Stephen 
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Can anyone advise as to the correct color of gray and which parts utilize the
color gray?
Convertible top frame, top header rail, seat tracks and seat top
and bottom frames - are all these gray and any other parts not listed?
 
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Joel
	I don't have a cross # to the original gray paint - not sure if it
is listed anywhere.

I used Dayton OEM-Kote - 2X710 Machine Gray - Acrylic enamel.
I think I bought that at Graingers.  The only disadvantage with enamel is
you need to let it dry for a long time or bake it before applying contact
cement.

Seems to me a number of owners have powder coated the seat parts.  There is
an article on seat restoration on Tigers United web site that might have
those details.

I'm not sure about other seat part color without looking.

I think the seat track is natural metal - no paint.

Ron Fraser

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top and bottom frames - are all these gray and any other parts not listed?

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Understanding the original color was gray, black is much less visually  
obtrusive ;-)
 
(concours participants disregard aesthetic bias) 
 
 
In a message dated 11/22/2013 7:35:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rfraser@bluefrog.com writes:

Joel
I don't have a cross # to the original gray  paint - not sure if it
is listed anywhere.

I used Dayton OEM-Kote -  2X710 Machine Gray - Acrylic enamel.
I think I bought that at  Graingers.  The only disadvantage with enamel is
you need to let it  dry for a long time or bake it before applying contact
cement.

Seems  to me a number of owners have powder coated the seat parts.  There  
is
an article on seat restoration on Tigers United web site that might  have
those details.

I'm not sure about other seat part color without  looking.

I think the seat track is natural metal - no paint.

Ron  Fraser

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On  Behalf Of Joel Martin
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Can anyone advise as to the correct color of gray and which  parts utilize
the color gray? Convertible top frame, top header rail, seat  tracks and 
seat
top and bottom frames - are all these gray and any other  parts not listed?

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Joel  Martin
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I do not know what the factory installation was of the low/hi horns. 
However, there is some (probably very, very) minor logic to what I'll 
present:

The lower the frequency of a sound, the more unidirectional it is.  The 
higher the frequency the more directional it is.  So, assuming the purpose 
for the horn is to alert say... someone running into the street (as an 
example) it would make sense to have lower frequency horn on the drivers 
side (USA). The reason being the added side distance to the person would 
better be heard by a lower frequency.  That reason is probably ridiculously 
nit picky on my part, but the only reason I can see for having a 
determination for horn placement.  And, if it were actually true then the 
country of shipment would have different horn locations based on what side 
of the road was driven on.

If the horns have different physical structures (I don't know) then I can 
see the need to place them as shipped for concourse accuracy.  On the other 
hand I don't ever recall a frequency spectrum analyzer ever being used to 
determine judging points at a car show.  It may be there was no 
determination at the factory.  I'm not saying it is wrong to strive for 
accuracy, only that it might not matter.  I hope you do find an accurate 
answer. If so please report back because now I'm just curious.

  This subject does make me wonder if the infamous "Road Runner" horn(s) 
were of different frequency or they just had a slight, overlapping delay of 
the same frequency.

Tom 
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When I replaced my seat bottom cushions and repaired one of the frames I went looking for a similar gray paint to what was there. I had no luck with that. The gray from the factory seems to have a bit of a blue tint to it compared to any gray that I found readily available. As near as I can tell it is very similar to a slightly bluish gray I once saw on some old printing presses. So maybe there is an industrial type paint that would be closer than what the local hardware or auto parts type store sells. 


I ended up using Krylon Battleship Gray, part number RTA 9206, which was close enough for my purposes. It is an enamel however. Claims to not need a primer and eliminates rust. No affiliation. 


Gene 

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Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 9:05:47 AM 
Subject: [Tigers] Convertible top frame and seat parts 

Can anyone advise as to the correct color of gray and which parts utilize the 
color gray? 
Convertible top frame, top header rail, seat tracks and seat top 
and bottom frames - are all these gray and any other parts not listed? 

Regards 
Joel Martin 
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Tom, 


Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I agree with everything you have said. Unless there is/was a federal saftey standard for this sort of thing, as a practical matter I cannot see much difference either. I like your reasoning regarding the wider dispersion of the lower frequency horn. It is a theoretical reason for handing, although at the frequencies involved it may not make much difference from a practical sense. It also occurred to me that given the RHD world from which the cars came, they were setup for context, if a distinction was made at all. As an aside, it would be curious to know if the Alpine owners have noticed anything meaningful on the placement. 


I cannot see this being a concours issue either, although it would be easy enough to check without a frequency analyzer. The lip of each horn has either a fairly large "L" or "H" stamped on the front bottom part of the opening and easily can be seen through the grill opening. Maybe next time I am at a national event I will make my own little survey. 


FWIW, physically, the horns are mirror images of each other with spirals/snail trumpets that square off at the front. 


In any event, I am just moving on. 


Thanks again, Gene 

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I do not know what the factory installation was of the low/hi horns. 
However, there is some (probably very, very) minor logic to what I'll 
present: 

The lower the frequency of a sound, the more unidirectional it is. The 
higher the frequency the more directional it is. So, assuming the purpose 
for the horn is to alert say... someone running into the street (as an 
example) it would make sense to have lower frequency horn on the drivers 
side (USA). The reason being the added side distance to the person would 
better be heard by a lower frequency. That reason is probably ridiculously 
nit picky on my part, but the only reason I can see for having a 
determination for horn placement. And, if it were actually true then the 
country of shipment would have different horn locations based on what side 
of the road was driven on. 

If the horns have different physical structures (I don't know) then I can 
see the need to place them as shipped for concourse accuracy. On the other 
hand I don't ever recall a frequency spectrum analyzer ever being used to 
determine judging points at a car show. It may be there was no 
determination at the factory. I'm not saying it is wrong to strive for 
accuracy, only that it might not matter. I hope you do find an accurate 
answer. If so please report back because now I'm just curious. 

This subject does make me wonder if the infamous "Road Runner" horn(s) 
were of different frequency or they just had a slight, overlapping delay of 
the same frequency. 

Tom 
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I took an unmolested seat part to my local Ace Hardware.  They provided a
perfect match with their D43-6 Gray's River.  $11 a quart.



This is an enamel which you will have to spray, but the color is right-on and
the paint is very durable.



Thanks.

Bob Bates
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I'm in the 'no original Clear Hooters installation' camp, so I've resisted
commenting up to now. I did at some point acquire some that had the original
bracketry attached, so it was possible to try the horns on each side and see
what made sense. If I installed them one way, the trumpets faced straight
forward. That might seem to be a good way to get good sound, but then I
realized that they'd also make great bug catchers that way. So I installed
them the other way, where the trumpets are canted inward about 60 degrees.
Then I installed horn-hole blockoff plates but I made up mounts that went off
the blockoff plates, that preserved the original angles - they just push the
horns ahead by a couple of inches.

I did find that it was necessary to take the horns apart, clean up the points,
and then reassemble them and adjust the current to spec, to make them work
reliably... and that I had to install a relay to actuate the horns because the
horn ring circuit on the steering wheel had way too much resistance to
actually properly drive the horns. Now, they are good... I can look to see
what I have on which side, but I can't vouch for originality.

Theo



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There is an article in Hemming's Sports and Exotics Cars about Andy Rooney's
Tiger. It is several pages with pictures.

 

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Yup, that's the kind of info I wuz looking for.  I will investigate...  
and thanks!

larry

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On 11/22/2013 6:27 AM, Tom Parker wrote:
> Larry,
>
> I have an Alpine Stereo Radio (Model CDE 103BT if it matters...)  in 
> the Kitty that can do most of what you want (I think... hope...). I 
> mounted the front speakers in the side recesses, the rear speakers on 
> the baggage tray. It works well except the car noise overwhelms the 
> sound system unless I really turn it up (which works fine tuned to an 
> "oldies" station...). And I carry a Garmin that sticks to the 
> windshield if I need
>  driving directions... and a smartphone which can do most stuff as 
> long as the sun isn't shining on it...
>
> There's room for a "Tray" in ahead of the shifter if you need space 
> for toys...
>
> Tom
> '67 Mark 2
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com 
>
>     was there something silly in the question I asked? I love my
>     sirius xm, my blue tooth phone and nav systems.  I was actually
>     hoping that one of you had installed something like that in your
>     cars and I could get a jump on searching for one I like for after
>     market install, but I guess not.
>
>     larry
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>     On 11/22/2013 5:40 AM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) wrote:
>
>         I have a very high-end sound system in my Tiger:
>
>         Music source: Shell V-Power 94, Sunoco Ultra 93, BP Amoco
>         Ultimate 93
>         Pre-amp: Holley 670 Street Avenger
>         Amplifier: Ford 289 with 331 stroker kit
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Larry,
I don't currently have a stereo in the Tiger (need to shush the exhaust system
and possibly my driving habits some before a stereo would be more than futile)
but this thing caught my eye yesterday:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/AppRadio/AppRadio+3+%28SPH-DA210%2
9

Reasonably priced for a full-screen double DIN unit (it's on for $350 at our
local FutureShop), integrates with phones, and has map support apps and
whatnot. No direct GPS integration that I can see but you can possibly do that
through a suitable phone.

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I believe the colour is machinery grey (it does have a slight bluish tint
to it) Jan Sevrities from the SAOCA will have an accurate sample for it. I
might be able to get some codes from guys here who have matched it up.


On 23 November 2013 02:05, Joel Martin <jmartiniii@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Can anyone advise as to the correct color of gray and which parts utilize
> the
> color gray?
> Convertible top frame, top header rail, seat tracks and seat top
> and bottom frames - are all these gray and any other parts not listed?
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Mayf,

I have some pictures somewhere of a guy in Australia who made a console
under the dash and installed one... not my choice.. and by the sounds of
the comedic responses.. not that of many here (they do look out of place in
our cars) I will email you the picture soon.

I did however say to someone the other day... if you wanted a sat nav
system you could use the original style radio console and mount it behind
the speakwr grill and have the grill on a hinge so that it flipped out of
the way and you have the sat nav.. a bit james bond.. but at least the car
wont look like a pimp my ride special when you pull up. :)


On 23 November 2013 01:07, Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com> wrote:

> was there something silly in the question I asked? I love my sirius xm, my
> blue tooth phone and nav systems.  I was actually hoping that one of you
> had installed something like that in your cars and I could get a jump on
> searching for one I like for after market install, but I guess not.
>
>
> larry
>
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
>
> On 11/22/2013 5:40 AM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) wrote:
>
>> I have a very high-end sound system in my Tiger:
>>
>> Music source: Shell V-Power 94, Sunoco Ultra 93, BP Amoco Ultimate 93
>> Pre-amp: Holley 670 Street Avenger
>> Amplifier: Ford 289 with 331 stroker kit
>> Speakers: Magnaflow 11224
>>
>> Any questions?
>>
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Or use the navigation system on your smart phone.  That is assuming everyone
has one.

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Mayf,

I have some pictures somewhere of a guy in Australia who made a console under
the dash and installed one... not my choice.. and by the sounds of the comedic
responses.. not that of many here (they do look out of place in our cars) I
will email you the picture soon.

I did however say to someone the other day... if you wanted a sat nav system
you could use the original style radio console and mount it behind the speakwr
grill and have the grill on a hinge so that it flipped out of the way and you
have the sat nav.. a bit james bond.. but at least the car wont look like a
pimp my ride special when you pull up. :)


On 23 November 2013 01:07, Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com> wrote:

> was there something silly in the question I asked? I love my sirius
> xm, my blue tooth phone and nav systems.  I was actually hoping that
> one of you had installed something like that in your cars and I could
> get a jump on searching for one I like for after market install, but I guess
not.
>
>
> larry
>
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
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Greetings,

While the adaptation of a GPS to the Tiger has a LOT of additional benefits I
went a different route. I can appreciate the additional navigation features of
the commercial units as well as additional information they can provide.

I purchased a Speedometer, Sunbeam in appearance, that is GPS powered. I have
three different rear ends, with three different ratios and posi with disc
brakes. When I want to change ratios I wheel one out and put another in. I
felt the need to have a reasonably accurate speedo with whatever gear I choose
to run.  Also this accommodates different tire sizes as well.

I think, in time, a lot of owners will want the features of either alternative
for a variety of personal reasons.

Anyone wanting information on a GPS Tiger speedometer feel free to contact me
off line.

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Greetings,

While the adaptation of a GPS to the Tiger has a LOT of additional benefits I
went a different route. I can appreciate the additional navigation features of
the commercial units as well as additional information they can provide.

I purchased a Speedometer, Sunbeam in appearance, that is GPS powered. I have
three different rear ends, with three different ratios and posi with disc
brakes. When I want to change ratios I wheel one out and put another in. I
felt the need to have a reasonably accurate speedo with whatever gear I choose
to run.  Also this accommodates different tire sizes as well.

I think, in time, a lot of owners will want the features of either alternative
for a variety of personal reasons.

Anyone wanting information on a GPS Tiger speedometer feel free to contact me
off line.

Regards,

Curt in Chicago
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You guys piqued my interest; I have an original unmolested LHD car that I have
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Thanks Theo, 


I have always found your insights very valuable. As it so happens, I broke one of the terminals off on one of my horns yesterday. Most likely a result of metal fatigue from numerous tries at alligning the wires through my home made block off plates. BTW, on my version of these plates I just made a pass-through slot for longer brackets to attach to the original mountng holes. 


It appears the terminals are attached by aluminum rivets. I am going to drill out all the rivets this weekend and take the horn apart and see if I can attach a home made terminal with a new rivet. You mentioned you had adjusted your horns to a current spec. I would be very interested in knowing what that number should be, as long as I am taking this one apart. 


Thanks, Gene 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Theo Smit" <Theo.Smit@dynastream.com> 
To: tigers@autox.team.net 
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 3:14:07 PM 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters 

I'm in the 'no original Clear Hooters installation' camp, so I've resisted 
commenting up to now. I did at some point acquire some that had the original 
bracketry attached, so it was possible to try the horns on each side and see 
what made sense. If I installed them one way, the trumpets faced straight 
forward. That might seem to be a good way to get good sound, but then I 
realized that they'd also make great bug catchers that way. So I installed 
them the other way, where the trumpets are canted inward about 60 degrees. 
Then I installed horn-hole blockoff plates but I made up mounts that went off 
the blockoff plates, that preserved the original angles - they just push the 
horns ahead by a couple of inches. 

I did find that it was necessary to take the horns apart, clean up the points, 
and then reassemble them and adjust the current to spec, to make them work 
reliably... and that I had to install a relay to actuate the horns because the 
horn ring circuit on the steering wheel had way too much resistance to 
actually properly drive the horns. Now, they are good... I can look to see 
what I have on which side, but I can't vouch for originality. 

Theo 



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Bill, that is indeed interesting information. You are fortunate to have such an unmolested car. And it seems that Theo's idea that they should be canted inward matches with how indeed they are installed on your car! Thanks for sharing. 


If I may just ask in the way of clarifying, when you say the H is on the left, would that be the LHD car's driver's side or to the left as you are looking at it from the grill opening? 


Thanks again, Gene 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Rogers" <milward@roadrunner.com> 
To: "Tigers" <tigers@autox.team.net> 
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 6:13:26 PM 
Subject: [Tigers] Clear Hooters 

You guys piqued my interest; I have an original unmolested LHD car that I have 
cared for since 1977. Prior to that it was purchased new by my bro-in-law and 
has never been hit in front. I have never removed the horns and there would 
have been no reason to remove them prior to my guardianship. The L horn is on 
the right and the H is on the left so the horns are canted inwards. A piece of 
information for whatever it is worth. 

Bill Rogers 
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Hi Gene,
Page N27 in the workshop manual says 5 amps max. I seem to recall that I
didn't have to go that far to get good sound, maybe about 3.5A for each horn.
You need ear protection to do this adjustment!

I drilled out the rivets that hold the cap on the casting, and after fixing
things up I used some 8-32 or 10-24 screws and locknuts (I Think) to put them
back together.

Theo


> On Nov 22, 2013, at 7:27 PM, genepadgett@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Thanks Theo,
>
>
> I have always found your insights very valuable. As it so happens, I broke
one of the terminals off on one of my horns yesterday. Most likely a result of
metal fatigue from numerous tries at alligning the wires through my home made
block off plates. BTW, on my version of these plates I just made a
pass-through slot for longer brackets to attach to the original mountng holes.
>
>
> It appears the terminals are attached by aluminum rivets. I am going to
drill out all the rivets this weekend and take the horn apart and see if I can
attach a home made terminal with a new rivet. You mentioned you had adjusted
your horns to a current spec. I would be very interested in knowing what that
number should be, as long as I am taking this one apart.
>
>
> Thanks, Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Theo Smit" <Theo.Smit@dynastream.com>
> To: tigers@autox.team.net
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 3:14:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters
>
> I'm in the 'no original Clear Hooters installation' camp, so I've resisted
> commenting up to now. I did at some point acquire some that had the original
> bracketry attached, so it was possible to try the horns on each side and see
> what made sense. If I installed them one way, the trumpets faced straight
> forward. That might seem to be a good way to get good sound, but then I
> realized that they'd also make great bug catchers that way. So I installed
> them the other way, where the trumpets are canted inward about 60 degrees.
> Then I installed horn-hole blockoff plates but I made up mounts that went
off
> the blockoff plates, that preserved the original angles - they just push the
> horns ahead by a couple of inches.
>
> I did find that it was necessary to take the horns apart, clean up the
points,
> and then reassemble them and adjust the current to spec, to make them work
> reliably... and that I had to install a relay to actuate the horns because
the
> horn ring circuit on the steering wheel had way too much resistance to
> actually properly drive the horns. Now, they are good... I can look to see
> what I have on which side, but I can't vouch for originality.
>
> Theo
>
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A nice(?) Alger for $50K

And a garage find real Tiger for $28K

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Curt
	I think you should send the list a little more detail; make, model #
and where you purchased it, web site for manufacturer.  I have seen GPS
speedometers listed in the Speedway Catalog but I have not followed up on
the info.

Glad to hear it works well for you.  I'm sure others would like investigate
this product too.

Ron Fraser

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Greetings,

While the adaptation of a GPS to the Tiger has a LOT of additional benefits
I went a different route. I can appreciate the additional navigation
features of the commercial units as well as additional information they can
provide.

I purchased a Speedometer, Sunbeam in appearance, that is GPS powered. I
have three different rear ends, with three different ratios and posi with
disc brakes. When I want to change ratios I wheel one out and put another
in. I felt the need to have a reasonably accurate speedo with whatever gear
I choose to run.  Also this accommodates different tire sizes as well.

I think, in time, a lot of owners will want the features of either
alternative for a variety of personal reasons.

Anyone wanting information on a GPS Tiger speedometer feel free to contact
me off line.

Regards,

Curt in Chicago
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I was doing a bit of surfing yesterday after returning from a dismal day 
at a Ford Service center... don't ask...  While surfing I also included 
gos speedometers and found this one... pretty slick indeed... and 
reasonably affordable.

http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR4-GPS-06/1/GPS-Speedometer-Gauge-200mph

larry

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Hi Gene,

Left looking forward or as seen from the LHD driver's seat.

Bill
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: genepadgett@comcast.net
  To: Bill Rogers
  Cc: Tigers
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 6:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters


  Bill, that is indeed interesting information.  You are fortunate to have
such an unmolested car.  And it seems that Theo's idea that they should be
canted inward matches with how indeed they are installed on your car!  Thanks
for sharing.


  If I may just ask in the way of clarifying, when you say the H is on the
left, would that be the LHD car's driver's side or to the left as you are
looking at it from the grill opening?


  Thanks again, Gene


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  From: "Bill Rogers" <milward@roadrunner.com>
  To: "Tigers" <tigers@autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 6:13:26 PM
  Subject: [Tigers] Clear Hooters

  You guys piqued my interest; I have an original unmolested LHD car that I
have
  cared for since 1977. Prior to that it was purchased new by my bro-in-law
and
  has never been hit in front. I have never removed the horns and there would
  have been no reason to remove them prior to my guardianship. The L horn is
on
  the right and the H is on the left so the horns are canted inwards. A piece
of
  information for whatever it is worth.

  Bill Rogers
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Hi Bill, 


Excellent. Thanks again for your help! 


Gene 

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Hi Gene, 

Left looking forward or as seen from the LHD driver's seat. 

Bill 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: genepadgett@comcast.net 
To: Bill Rogers 
Cc: Tigers 
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 6:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters 


Bill, that is indeed interesting information. You are fortunate to have such an unmolested car. And it seems that Theo's idea that they should be canted inward matches with how indeed they are installed on your car! Thanks for sharing. 


If I may just ask in the way of clarifying, when you say the H is on the left, would that be the LHD car's driver's side or to the left as you are looking at it from the grill opening? 


Thanks again, Gene 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Rogers" <milward@roadrunner.com> 
To: "Tigers" <tigers@autox.team.net> 
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 6:13:26 PM 
Subject: [Tigers] Clear Hooters 

You guys piqued my interest; I have an original unmolested LHD car that I have 
cared for since 1977. Prior to that it was purchased new by my bro-in-law and 
has never been hit in front. I have never removed the horns and there would 
have been no reason to remove them prior to my guardianship. The L horn is on 
the right and the H is on the left so the horns are canted inwards. A piece of 
information for whatever it is worth. 

Bill Rogers 
B9472703 
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Recently speaking with a restorer of Pontiac GTOs ( 64- 67 models) who
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Time to invest in a new exhaust system and want to get some feedback on
headers.  I throw my business to Sunbeam Specialties whenever I can, but am
interested in the forum's opinions on the new CAT headers versus SS and
others.  The price difference is substantial, but I understand the CAT headers
address some outstanding issues with previous header versions.  Also wanted to
inquire about powder and other coating methods and if there is a shop in SoCal
that can be recommended.
Thanks in advance.
Brian
 
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I have had Jet Hot silver ceramic coating on my Pantera headers and exhaust
for 9 years and it still looks new.

Michael Shortt
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> Time to invest in a new exhaust system and want to get some feedback on
> headers.  I throw my business to Sunbeam Specialties whenever I can, but am
> interested in the forum's opinions on the new CAT headers versus SS and
> others.  The price difference is substantial, but I understand the CAT
> headers
> address some outstanding issues with previous header versions.  Also
> wanted to
> inquire about powder and other coating methods and if there is a shop in
> SoCal
> that can be recommended.
> Thanks in advance.
> Brian
>
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The Sunbeam Specialties headers (installed @ 2008) fit without modification
and clear the remote oil filter plate sufficiently, but do not allow for a
small oil filter ( Fram PH16).  I had the headers coated at Performance
Coatings in Georgia; the coating appears durable, has not chipped or
scratched. I didn't measure before / after temperatures so I can't speak to
the effectiveness of the coating.

Tim Suddard (Classic Motorsports) installed the older version of the C.A.T.
headers, if I remember correctly. You might want to look at his comments,
they're available online.

Tom
'67 Mark 2



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> Time to invest in a new exhaust system and want to get some feedback on
> headers.  I throw my business to Sunbeam Specialties whenever I can, but am
> interested in the forum's opinions on the new CAT headers versus SS and
> others.  The price difference is substantial, but I understand the CAT
> headers
> address some outstanding issues with previous header versions.  Also
> wanted to
> inquire about powder and other coating methods and if there is a shop in
> SoCal
> that can be recommended.
> Thanks in advance.
> Brian
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Brian,

The CAT headers are quite different that those from Sunbeam Specialties.

The CAT headers are currently built in 304 stainless steel, using thick 
flanges, 1-5/8" primary tubes and merged collectors. (Some places charge as 
much for a set of stainless merged collectors as CAT charges for the entire 
headers.) They accommodate oversized ports and utilize the FelPro 1415 
gasket. (Hint: fit the gasket to the head before you buy the headers!) Their 
design and tooling has been the same for decades. However more "relief" to 
access the header bolts was built in when the switch was made to stainless. 
You use header bolts with reduced heads with CAT headers. Obviously, 
increasing the headers port size decreases the amount of sealing surface for 
the gasket.

The Sunbeam Specialties headers are built from mild steel with thinner 
flanges, 1-1/2" primary tubes and standard collectors. Due to the smaller 
tubes and flanges fitting them in the engine compartment is obviously 
easier. They may even be a better choice for a near stock 260 or 289 with 
stock ports.

I always ceramic coat mild steel headers but don't bother coating stainless. 
Some will polish and/or  "slosh" stainless (heat barrier on inside of 
primary tubes).

There seem to be two big problems with ceramic coatings: the quality of the 
material and the quality of the application. I've had very good luck with 
products made by TechLine Coatings. (CermaChrome, Black Satin, etc.) But the 
applicators need to get the process right, especially the cleaning. I've had 
the same product fail in two years when coated by one company but is still 
looking perfect after being re-applied ten years ago by another.

I don't know the flow of the Sunbeam Specialties headers. They could be just 
fine for stock-ish motors. One of these days we'll get some real dyno 
numbers. In the meantime, header manufactures like "Headers by Ed" suggest 
that primary tubes as small as 1-3/8' would be fine on a stock 260. 
Generally torque is lost with bigger primary tubes and torque makes street 
driving easier.

On the other hand, if you have bigger ports such 351 Windsor or most 
aftermarket heads, installing a set of headers with smaller ports is silly. 
In fact one of the biggest custom header companies did a computer study on a 
289 race motor using 351 Windsor heads and it suggested a stepped header 
design starting with 1-5/8" and going up to 1-7/8". (By the way, the 
estimate to design and custom build a set for a Tiger out of 304 stainless 
with merged collectors was $5K - about ten times what CAT charges for their 
304 stainless, merged collector headers.)

CAT headers are not custom designed for individual members. And they don't 
cost many, many thousands like custom stainless headers.  The CAT design is 
a compromise. It is aimed at the higher performance segment. It is not 
designed for a stock 260 although they've been used on them for decades. 
Perhaps those from Sunbeam Specialties might be better. Maybe not. Right now 
I just don't know.

I would add that I always "port match" the headers to the port. Period. This 
applies to matching gasket surfaces of the early stock heads (which are 
raised from the head's surface.) By the later sixties Ford stopped using 
this raised surface and machined the entire side of the head flat allowing 
for broad gasket sealing which the CAT headers use. If using the stock heads 
you'll probably want to "notch" the holes in the flanges for better sealing 
surfaces for the header gaskets.

Buck Trippel






-----Original Message----- 
From: Brian Glenn
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 12:01 AM
To: Tiger Forum
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Exhaust - Headers

Time to invest in a new exhaust system and want to get some feedback on
headers.  I throw my business to Sunbeam Specialties whenever I can, but am
interested in the forum's opinions on the new CAT headers versus SS and
others.  The price difference is substantial, but I understand the CAT 
headers
address some outstanding issues with previous header versions.  Also wanted 
to
inquire about powder and other coating methods and if there is a shop in 
SoCal
that can be recommended.
Thanks in advance.
Brian

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Just thought I'd pass along a find that works for me. Most of those
so-called "mechanics gloves" are too thick to feel much, especially when
you're reaching under or behind something to do some blind threading or such
as is so common in a Tiger. At Summit racing a while back I saw a box of
disposable Nitrile shop gloves, what caught my eye was that they were TIGER
GRIP brand! They are thicker than average and are textured for a better grip
(ribbed for extra pleasure?). 

 

I usually go through several pairs of no-name Nitrile gloves during a shop
day, one pair of these Tiger gloves usually lasts me the day, and the
texturing really helps to hold on to grease/oily stuff. Not cheap but since
they last a lot longer I can use them over if I'm careful about taking them
off. No personal interest here.

 

Summit part number SUM-990016

 

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-990016xl/overview/

 

Happy Wrenching!

Bugz
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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:37:04 -0500
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The "H" is for higher note, Rootes part # 1224773.  Surprise! The "L" is for
low, Rootes # 1224772. For Mk II's there is a special Low Note hooter, Rootes
# 1239238 just for France.

My parts manual does not have a pictorial  for hooter placement, so I can not
confirm the original side question. Looked at my MK1A but couldn't see any
numbers in place. Decided not to dissemble. Visually they both point inward.
The right side about 25 degrees CCW from dead ahead, the left nearly 90
degrees CW from dead ahead.  Not positive but believe mine are original. Know
for certain they have not been changed in the past 32 years.

Harry Elam
TAC insp #37
B382000471
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Harry
	The "L" and "H" are cast into the horn opening.  You should be able
to see them from the front of the car.

I wonder if the special horn for France has a special cast marking?

Ron Fraser

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The "H" is for higher note, Rootes part # 1224773.  Surprise! The "L" is for
low, Rootes # 1224772. For Mk II's there is a special Low Note hooter,
Rootes # 1239238 just for France.

My parts manual does not have a pictorial  for hooter placement, so I can
not confirm the original side question. Looked at my MK1A but couldn't see
any numbers in place. Decided not to dissemble. Visually they both point
inward. The right side about 25 degrees CCW from dead ahead, the left nearly
90 degrees CW from dead ahead.  Not positive but believe mine are original.
Know for certain they have not been changed in the past 32 years.

Harry Elam
TAC insp #37
B382000471
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Thanks, Ron.  Found the "H" on right and "L" on left. Also noted that both
seemed to be attached to their respective mounting brackets with single
bolt/nut, allowing them to rotate when insufficiently tightened, like mine.
Now we not only can not confirm side mount, but also have the uncertainty of
the original pointing direction. Seems the more we ask questions, the more
questions there are to ask.
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Hi Everyone,

I've been becoming interested in classic cars over the last few years, and I
recently came across the Sunbeam Tiger.  Needless to say it was love at first
sight for a number of reasons.  I am just curious about how much it may cost
to realize my dream someday.  In a perfect world, I would find a driver that
would work for a number of years, with hopes of restoring it down the line.
What is a reasonable expectation to pay for a Sunbeam Tiger Mark 1A in
drivable condition?  I know there are different levels of restoration, but
what do you think the range for that may be?

Thank you for your help! This is a great resource!

Tucker Brown
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http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=AN1113-167986
 
I saw this car before it went to auction; needed paint, top redone(missing  
back glass moldings), interior work, no spare cover, 70's glue on side 
moldings,  windshield scratched and all rubbers bad.  Had screws holding ID 
plate and  the motor was frozen. This went for $28,000.00. So that is what you 
are looking  at these days. Do a E-Bay Motors search for Sunbeam, highest 
price and get  e-mail for new listings. Check Hemming's and Craig list every 
week and you may  find a nice one. I found mine in Hemming's a few years back 
and spent  $18  for it. One owner and garaged for most of it's life 0 rust. 
All the mechanicals  are done, just needs some trim work and a new top. Good 
Luck
 
 
In a message dated 11/24/2013 12:55:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
tncbrown@me.com writes:

Hi  Everyone,

I've been becoming interested in classic cars over the last  few years, and 
I
recently came across the Sunbeam Tiger.  Needless to  say it was love at 
first
sight for a number of reasons.  I am just  curious about how much it may 
cost
to realize my dream someday.  In a  perfect world, I would find a driver 
that
would work for a number of years,  with hopes of restoring it down the line.
What is a reasonable expectation  to pay for a Sunbeam Tiger Mark 1A in
drivable condition?  I know  there are different levels of restoration, but
what do you think the range  for that may be?

Thank you for your help! This is a great  resource!

Tucker  Brown
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Good advice overall.  Personally, I wouldn't pay too much attention to 
the big auctions - the prices only seem to be attained through the big 
auctions.

But the other advice seems good.  Personally, I would rely on Hemmings 
the most, I think.  It seems a whole  lot of e-bay auctions are 
no-sales, as apparently nobody in the world is willing to pay what the 
owner thinks it's worth, and I've never seen (noticed) a bargain.  With 
Hemmings, at least you know what the owner wants for a starting price.

I'm a little bit out of date, as I bought my Tiger about 15 years ago.  
I started with Hemmings, but then found myself in San Francisco, and 
called Norm, the guru at the time (well, he's still a guru) and he 
referred me to a car in the area that I bought within an hour of seeing 
it.  When I bought my Jaguar E-Type, I did kinda the same thing, finding 
one of the gurus in that field who referred me to an absolute steal on a 
99 pt car.  Stay on this list and keep reminding us (occasionally) that 
you're looking and want to know if anything is available, plus you'll 
also see listers occasionally put their cars up for sale.  Join STOA and 
TE/AE and do the same.  A Tiger that is known by the community, and 
referred by the community, is likely to be a safer buy than one bought 
blind.

Rust is of course something to look out for.  A good buddy of mine 
bought a Tiger many years ago, and after he dipped it, he found there 
wasn't enough of it left to restore, and had to go buy another one. You 
don't say where you are, but you'll find the most rust-free cars are on 
the left coast and the south west.

If you're patient and make the right connections, I think you can 
probably find something around $20K for a decent driver.  As is typical, 
if you buy a car for $20K, and put $10K into it, you'll probably end up 
with a $25K car, and if you buy a car for $5,000 and put $50,000 into 
it, you'll likely end up with $25K car.  Spend as much as you can afford 
up front, unless you've really got a lot of time on your hands to do 
almost all of the work yourself, and you really love doing it.  All that 
said, in my opinion (and Hemmings, too) is that the Tiger is one of the 
most undervalued cars on the market. You probably won't make a killing 
on it as an investment, but it's highly unlikely to lose value for you 
(unless you spend too much on restoration).

Welcome, and good luck to you finding the right car for you!

Chris
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On 11/24/2013 6:52 PM, AAAGLASSS@aol.com wrote:
> http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=AN1113-167986
>   
> I saw this car before it went to auction; needed paint, top redone(missing
> back glass moldings), interior work, no spare cover, 70's glue on side
> moldings,  windshield scratched and all rubbers bad.  Had screws holding ID
> plate and  the motor was frozen. This went for $28,000.00. So that is what you
> are looking  at these days. Do a E-Bay Motors search for Sunbeam, highest
> price and get  e-mail for new listings. Check Hemming's and Craig list every
> week and you may  find a nice one. I found mine in Hemming's a few years back
> and spent  $18  for it. One owner and garaged for most of it's life 0 rust.
> All the mechanicals  are done, just needs some trim work and a new top. Good
> Luck
>   
>   
> In a message dated 11/24/2013 12:55:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> tncbrown@me.com writes:
>
> Hi  Everyone,
>
> I've been becoming interested in classic cars over the last  few years, and
> I
> recently came across the Sunbeam Tiger.  Needless to  say it was love at
> first
> sight for a number of reasons.  I am just  curious about how much it may
> cost
> to realize my dream someday.  In a  perfect world, I would find a driver
> that
> would work for a number of years,  with hopes of restoring it down the line.
> What is a reasonable expectation  to pay for a Sunbeam Tiger Mark 1A in
> drivable condition?  I know  there are different levels of restoration, but
> what do you think the range  for that may be?
>
> Thank you for your help! This is a great  resource!
>
> Tucker  Brown
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Tucker

I will second Chris' recommendation to remain engaged through this 
List...and other forums for that matter. Three and a half years ago I did 
exactly as Chris said and a member of this List gave me a heads up and a buy 
recommendation on a Tiger that was becoming available (Thanks Paul). It was 
an absolutely beautiful car, fully restored with only 7k miles since the 
restoration. I paid a bit more than I had originally planned, but I just 
followed the advice Chris gave to buy as much car as you can afford. I 
bought it and have been enjoying it ever since.

I know some of the valuation tools out there are a bit inflated.  The 
Valuation tool at Hagerty Insurance does not seem to bad in that regard. You 
can check it out at 
http://www.hagerty.com/valuationtools/HVT/VehicleSearch/Report?vc=1335693

Good Luck in your search.

Jim

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tucker Brown
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:53 PM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Cost Question

Hi Everyone,

I've been becoming interested in classic cars over the last few years, and I
recently came across the Sunbeam Tiger.  Needless to say it was love at 
first
sight for a number of reasons.  I am just curious about how much it may cost
to realize my dream someday.  In a perfect world, I would find a driver that
would work for a number of years, with hopes of restoring it down the line.
What is a reasonable expectation to pay for a Sunbeam Tiger Mark 1A in
drivable condition?  I know there are different levels of restoration, but
what do you think the range for that may be?

Thank you for your help! This is a great resource!

Tucker Brown
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If you go to Ebay, Completed Items, Cars & Truck you can see what Tigers 
were actually sold.  There are a fair number of sold cars to give you an 
idea of condition and price.  all the best in your search.

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From: michael king <michael.s.king@gmail.com>
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Tucker,

i support the advice of the previous respondents. My advice to you is work
out your maximum budget for a car and buy the one with the best possible
body you can within that range. The money to put right metal work easily
outweighs any other cost on these cars. Most all the soft trim, mechanical
and rubbers are available repro or without much effort.

Another thing to consider is what you want from the car..
do you want to have an original car?
An original looking car with some improvements?
Or a modified car?
This will impact on choice. There are a few parts unique to the cars that
if you want an original appearing car you meed to know will costs you
significant $ to replace.. air filter housing, original wooden wheel,
radiator shroud, shifter, header tank all bring good money so if they are
missing them and you want them... bare it in mind.

Last but not least.. get the car checked out.. make sure you are buying
what you expect, if you dont want a rebodied car... get the car checked by
someone who can make sure it is a true tiger or look at cars that are TAC'd
or unrestored.

join the forums... join the clubs.. go to meetings and get to know some
peoepl, they might hear of a car and put you o the right track.


On 25 November 2013 07:53, Tucker Brown <tncbrown@me.com> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I've been becoming interested in classic cars over the last few years, and
> I
> recently came across the Sunbeam Tiger.  Needless to say it was love at
> first
> sight for a number of reasons.  I am just curious about how much it may
> cost
> to realize my dream someday.  In a perfect world, I would find a driver
> that
> would work for a number of years, with hopes of restoring it down the line.
> What is a reasonable expectation to pay for a Sunbeam Tiger Mark 1A in
> drivable condition?  I know there are different levels of restoration, but
> what do you think the range for that may be?
>
> Thank you for your help! This is a great resource!
>
> Tucker Brown
> _______________________________________________
>
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Since STOA and our Tiger Authentication Committee (TAC) have been 
mentioned in this discussion, I thought it would be appropriate for me 
to mention our new web site: http://sunbeamtiger.orgAfter a lot of work 
by our web master Don Whitely, our new site is not only up and running, 
it has the (almost) up to date listing of the Tigers that STOA has 
Authenticated in the twenty years we have been running this program.The 
total number of chassis is between 900 and 1,000, from all over the world.

For non-members, there is a search procedure under the "TAC" tab.This 
procedure will allow you to look up any Tiger VIN and tell you if the 
chassis is in our database.It will tell you when the chassis was 
Authenticated, the Model and the original color code recorded from the 
VIN tag.

For members of STOA, the database is additionally both searchable and 
sortable by subject columns, minus any personal information.So you can 
spend some time viewing this database by several criteria.For example, 
you can find all the original black (color code 1) Tigers,or you can 
list all the Mk II's in Texas.

We hope that you will find this new feature both fascinating and 
useful.It's taken several months to get this database up and running 
properly and as a result, it's only up to date as of the first of June 
this year.I'm expecting that we will be current by the end of the year.

Also new to our website is our on-line store under "THE STORE" tab.It 
also asks you to "log-in", as the members only section does, but in this 
case the log-in sets up your account for purchase through 
PayPal.Membership NOT required to purchase the merchandise shown on this 
site.You will find clothing, Club stickers and patches, and other 
miscellaneous merchandise.  Have a look.


-- 
Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net  




On 11/24/2013 3:47 PM, Chris Thompson wrote:
> Good advice overall.  Personally, I wouldn't pay too much attention to 
> the big auctions - the prices only seem to be attained through the big 
> auctions.
>
> But the other advice seems good.  Personally, I would rely on Hemmings 
> the most, I think.  It seems a whole  lot of e-bay auctions are 
> no-sales, as apparently nobody in the world is willing to pay what the 
> owner thinks it's worth, and I've never seen (noticed) a bargain.  
> With Hemmings, at least you know what the owner wants for a starting 
> price.
>
> I'm a little bit out of date, as I bought my Tiger about 15 years 
> ago.  I started with Hemmings, but then found myself in San Francisco, 
> and called Norm, the guru at the time (well, he's still a guru) and he 
> referred me to a car in the area that I bought within an hour of 
> seeing it.  When I bought my Jaguar E-Type, I did kinda the same 
> thing, finding one of the gurus in that field who referred me to an 
> absolute steal on a 99 pt car.  Stay on this list and keep reminding 
> us (occasionally) that you're looking and want to know if anything is 
> available, plus you'll also see listers occasionally put their cars up 
> for sale.  Join STOA and TE/AE and do the same.  A Tiger that is known 
> by the community, and referred by the community, is likely to be a 
> safer buy than one bought blind.
>
> Rust is of course something to look out for.  A good buddy of mine 
> bought a Tiger many years ago, and after he dipped it, he found there 
> wasn't enough of it left to restore, and had to go buy another one. 
> You don't say where you are, but you'll find the most rust-free cars 
> are on the left coast and the south west.
>
> If you're patient and make the right connections, I think you can 
> probably find something around $20K for a decent driver.  As is 
> typical, if you buy a car for $20K, and put $10K into it, you'll 
> probably end up with a $25K car, and if you buy a car for $5,000 and 
> put $50,000 into it, you'll likely end up with $25K car. Spend as much 
> as you can afford up front, unless you've really got a lot of time on 
> your hands to do almost all of the work yourself, and you really love 
> doing it.  All that said, in my opinion (and Hemmings, too) is that 
> the Tiger is one of the most undervalued cars on the market. You 
> probably won't make a killing on it as an investment, but it's highly 
> unlikely to lose value for you (unless you spend too much on 
> restoration).
>
> Welcome, and good luck to you finding the right car for you!
>
> Chris
> B382000331
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I have some experience with Speedhut.  Great guys, very accommodating and
great product (I have no relationship with them at all)..  My brother just
got a whole set of gauges from them and his experience was the same.  They
are in Orem Utah so they are very close to me.

Good luck, Lynn

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:09 AM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] GPS Speedometer

I was doing a bit of surfing yesterday after returning from a dismal day at
a Ford Service center... don't ask...  While surfing I also included gos
speedometers and found this one... pretty slick indeed... and reasonably
affordable.

http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR4-GPS-06/1/GPS-Speedometer-Gauge-200mph

larry

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My e-mail program pulled a run-on last night when I sent my message.  
The correct URL is:   http://sunbeamtiger.org

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That's good to know! Thanks and I may just try one..maybe I can get one 
that goes to 250 mph, lol...  I wonder what the GPS update rate is. Most 
are about a second and I can get way down the road in that time...  
Every quarter second would be great for the race car, lol... As is for 
my street Tiger though...

Thanks again!!

larry

______________________________
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Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed

On 11/25/2013 8:04 AM, Lynn wrote:
> I have some experience with Speedhut.  Great guys, very accommodating and
> great product (I have no relationship with them at all)..  My brother just
> got a whole set of gauges from them and his experience was the same.  They
> are in Orem Utah so they are very close to me.
>
> Good luck, Lynn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> To: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] GPS Speedometer
>
> I was doing a bit of surfing yesterday after returning from a dismal day at
> a Ford Service center... don't ask...  While surfing I also included gos
> speedometers and found this one... pretty slick indeed... and reasonably
> affordable.
>
> http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR4-GPS-06/1/GPS-Speedometer-Gauge-200mph
>
> larry
>
> --
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
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No clue what the max speed is, but a velocitek speed puck is a differential
gps unit that provides instantaneous speed readout, as well as heading.

It is designed for sailboat racing.

Every other until I have looked at has some sort of lag in it.


Scott Hutchinson
Pilot, NetJets Aviation

Mobile 843.290.2805

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Mayfield [mailto:drmayf@mayfco.com]
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 11:45 AM
To: Lynn <cars@wt-inc.com>; tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] GPS Speedometer

That's good to know! Thanks and I may just try one..maybe I can get one
that goes to 250 mph, lol...  I wonder what the GPS update rate is. Most
are about a second and I can get way down the road in that time...
Every quarter second would be great for the race car, lol... As is for
my street Tiger though...

Thanks again!!

larry

______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed

On 11/25/2013 8:04 AM, Lynn wrote:
> I have some experience with Speedhut.  Great guys, very accommodating and
> great product (I have no relationship with them at all)..  My brother just
> got a whole set of gauges from them and his experience was the same.  They
> are in Orem Utah so they are very close to me.
>
> Good luck, Lynn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> To: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] GPS Speedometer
>
> I was doing a bit of surfing yesterday after returning from a dismal day at
> a Ford Service center... don't ask...  While surfing I also included gos
> speedometers and found this one... pretty slick indeed... and reasonably
> affordable.
>
> http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR4-GPS-06/1/GPS-Speedometer-Gauge-200mph
>
> larry
>
> --
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
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Mayf,

Here's one that goes to 260 mph. If you exceed that maybe we can take up a 
collection for something faster. :-)

http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR4.5-GPS-10T/1/GPS-Speedometer-Gauge-260mph--(w--turn-signal-and-high-beam)

Bob H

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] GPS Speedometer


> That's good to know! Thanks and I may just try one..maybe I can get one 
> that goes to 250 mph, lol...  I wonder what the GPS update rate is. Most 
> are about a second and I can get way down the road in that time...  Every 
> quarter second would be great for the race car, lol... As is for my street 
> Tiger though...
>
> Thanks again!!
>
> larry
>
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On 11/25/2013 8:38 AM, Thomas Prager wrote:
> thanks Tom, but I did not see a link to the registry
> tom prager
The Link is opened by clicking on the "TAC" tab at the top.  A new 
window opens that allows that single search.

It is very specific at this time because the database "VIN" column 
includes the suffix (ie LRXFE, or HROFE, etc.) with a space between the 
numbers and the suffix.  We will be splitting this suffix off into a 
separate column before the end on the year, and that will make the 
search entry easier.  This site is obviously a "work in progress", so 
let us know if you have problems.

>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2013 10:22 AM
>     *Subject:* [Tigers] correct URL
>
>     My e-mail program pulled a run-on last night when I sent my message.
>     The correct URL is: http://sunbeamtiger.org
>
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Tom, I really like the site upgrade, but unfortunately neither of my TAC'd
cars show up no matter how I type my VIN.

B382001465 LRXFE - TAC# 718
B382000991 LRXFE  - TAC# 808

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Subject: Re: [Tigers] correct URL


It is very specific at this time because the database "VIN" column includes
the suffix (ie LRXFE, or HROFE, etc.) with a space between the numbers and the
suffix.  We will be splitting this suffix off into a separate column before
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Well, I'm sorry to say I have no idea what company makes the emblems.  I
would think if you put out the question to the Tiger group someone would
know for sure.

 

Tiger Autox (TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET)

 

Jerry

 

From: Jimi Ellard [mailto:jimikalico@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:19 AM
To: jcmc2006@suddenlink.net
Subject: RE: Inside the Secret Interior of the Navy's First Stealth
Destroyer - Defense One

 

Mornin Jerry, very interesting article, such a backward country.. almost
stone age..   I have a question, Do you know of the company who supplys the
letters and names that stick to a new dash. I am building a new dash for my
Tiger and need the oil pressure, temp, gas, etc emblems.. when I did robs
dash he supplied me with the emblems.. but since I have no contact with
him.. If you could help I would appreciate it.. Jim

Jimi and Connie Howdy Y'all from the Lost PinesImage removed by sender.


 

 

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Subject: FW: Inside the Secret Interior of the Navy's First Stealth
Destroyer - Defense One
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:34:04 -0600

Something "new "for our side!  Pretty cool!

 

Jerry

 

 

 

 

Friday, November 22, 2013 5:49 PM

http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2013/11/inside-secret-interior-navys-first-s
tealth-destroyer/74321/?oref=d-topstory%3Foref%3Dd-interstitial-continue
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> Mornin Jerry, very interesting article, such a backward country.. almost
> stone age..   I have a question, Do you know of the company who supplys the
> letters and names that stick to a new dash. I am building a new dash for my
> Tiger and need the oil pressure, temp, gas, etc emblems.. when I did robs
> dash he supplied me with the emblems.. but since I have no contact with
> him.. If you could help I would appreciate it.. Jim
>
> Jimi and Connie Howdy Y'all from the Lost PinesImage removed by sender.
>

 There are no letters on the dash for the gauges... there are white
letraset letters on the wood for "PANEL" "LIGHTS" "WIPERS"

the gauges have their labels in the actual gauge.

-- 
Regards

Michael King
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Jaguar F-Type
The two-seat, rear-wheel-drive sports convertible was unveiled at  the 
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spoiler rises at 60  mph and lowers again when the speed drops below 40 mph. The 
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:12:17 -0500
From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com>
To: "AAAGLASSS@aol.com" <AAAGLASSS@aol.com>
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there is a hard top with even more power coming too.

i'm becoming quite interested in it and i'm thinking it would be a good
companion to my c-type (although probably slower!).

seen a few around new york and it does look bad-ass!


On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:36 PM, <AAAGLASSS@aol.com> wrote:

> Jaguar F-Type
> The two-seat, rear-wheel-drive sports convertible was unveiled at  the
> Paris auto show in 2012 and went on sale in the U.S. earlier this summer.
> Jaguar says the F Type has the company's most advanced use of lightweight
> aluminum to date, giving it a stiffer and more dynamic ride. There are
> three
> engine choices: Jaguar's new 3.0-liter V6 with either 340 horsepower or 380
> horsepower outputs, or a 5.0-liter supercharged V8 with 495 horsepower. The
> latter can go from zero to 60 mph in 4.2 seconds and has a top speed of 186
> mph.  All are mated to an eight-speed transmission. On the inside, Jaguar
> has
> modified  its touch-screen controls and now has physical dials for heating
> and  ventilation. On the outside, there's a big grille and vertical
> headlights that  follow the sleek lines of the car. To help the flow, the
> door
> handles remain  flush with the car until they're unlocked, and a hidden
> rear
> spoiler rises at 60  mph and lowers again when the speed drops below 40
> mph. The
> F Type starts at  $69,000 excluding shipping.
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:28:34 -0800 (PST)
From: snakebit289 <snakebit289@yahoo.com>
To: "owain.lloyd@gmail.com" <owain.lloyd@gmail.com>
Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" <tigers@autox.team.net>
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The convertible was at Land Rover Paramus (NJ) for a sneak peak last year.
What I'd like to see is the new coupe version, which is supposed to be on
display at the LA Auto Show (as I post, IIRC).

Rande Bellman





On
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:13 PM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
there is a hard top with even more power coming too.

i'm becoming
quite interested in it and i'm thinking it would be a good
companion to my
c-type (although probably slower!).

seen a few around new york and it does
look bad-ass!


On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:36 PM, <AAAGLASSS@aol.com> wrote:
> Jaguar F-Type
> The two-seat, rear-wheel-drive sports convertible was
unveiled at  the
> Paris auto show in 2012 and went on sale in the U.S.
earlier this summer.
> Jaguar says the F Type has the company's most advanced
use of lightweight
> aluminum to date, giving it a stiffer and more dynamic
ride. There are
> three
> engine choices: Jaguar's new 3.0-liter V6 with
either 340 horsepower or 380
> horsepower outputs, or a 5.0-liter supercharged
V8 with 495 horsepower. The
> latter can go from zero to 60 mph in 4.2 seconds
and has a top speed of 186
> mph.  All are mated to an eight-speed
transmission. On the inside, Jaguar
> has
> modified  its touch-screen
controls and now has physical dials for heating
> and  ventilation. On the
outside, there's a big grille and vertical
> headlights that  follow the sleek
lines of the car. To help the flow, the
> door
> handles remain  flush with
the car until they're unlocked, and a hidden
> rear
> spoiler rises at 60  mph
and lowers again when the speed drops below 40
> mph. The
> F Type starts at 
$69,000 excluding shipping.
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My neighbor who runs a Jag dealership came home the other night with the
supercharged V6 and tossed me the key. Wow, car is solid, very well
designed, great interior and super fast with the exhaust crackling when
you let off the gas. I would be in serious trouble with this car. Problem
 too, Jag reliability issues which are still severe.

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I love the car... just can't bring myself to consider anything without a
manual tranny. They say a manual 6-speed will be offered, but that's been the
storyline for a while now with no specific availability date.  :(

Stephen
Waybright


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27, 2013 2:23 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Jaguar F type
 

My neighbor who runs a Jag
dealership came home the other night with the
supercharged V6 and tossed me
the key. Wow, car is solid, very well
designed, great interior and super fast
with the exhaust crackling when
you let off the gas. I would be in serious
trouble with this car. Problem
too, Jag reliability issues which are still
severe.

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To: Stephen Waybright <gswaybright@yahoo.com>
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Stephen,

Don't hold your breath... most manufacturers seems to be moving away from
proper manuals.. they are all shifting to the dual clutch paddle systems...
it's very sad and if you look at manufacturers like Lamborghini, Ferrari ad
McLaren they now have top sports models that have no "stick shift" option
at all.... the days of drivers actually having skill and co-ordination seem
to be numbered.

I know the dual clutch gearboxes can change faster than I can.. but it
doesn't make them more fun.. and I still get a smile every time i heel toe
it down a gear


On 28 November 2013 09:33, Stephen Waybright <gswaybright@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I love the car... just can't bring myself to consider anything without a
> manual tranny. They say a manual 6-speed will be offered, but that's been
> the
> storyline for a while now with no specific availability date.  :(
>
> Stephen
> Waybright
>
-- 
Regards

Michael King
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Manual transmission?  An engineer at Porsche was recently asked about how Porsche could drop manual transmissions from their cars.  His response was a classic:  "Ve like the manual transmission; ve just like better being fastest."

Get it?  FastEST.

That said, for my purposes, I will stick with my stick. 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
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To: brockctella@juno.com<brockctella@juno.com>; tigers@autox.team.net<tigers@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jaguar F type

I love the car... just can't bring myself to consider anything without a
manual tranny. They say a manual 6-speed will be offered, but that's been the
storyline for a while now with no specific availability date.  :(

Stephen
Waybright


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Subject: [Tigers] Jaguar F type
 

My neighbor who runs a Jag
dealership came home the other night with the
supercharged V6 and tossed me
the key. Wow, car is solid, very well
designed, great interior and super fast
with the exhaust crackling when
you let off the gas. I would be in serious
trouble with this car. Problem
too, Jag reliability issues which are still
severe.

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michael king wrote:
> Stephen,
>
> Don't hold your breath... most manufacturers seems to be moving away from
> proper manuals..

Well, in a few minutes I'll be driving down to Phoenix from SLC, taking my
wife's Camry, an automatic, instead of my manual S10.  Oh well.

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There's a time and place when I prefer an automatic; towing with my F250,
roadtrips in my wife's Routon, and the occasional stop and go traffic jam
reminds me that my age will eventually make a using a clutch much more burden
than shifting will offset, but for now I require a manual in my sportscars.
 :)

Stephen 


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> Stephen,
>
> Don't hold your breath... most
manufacturers seems to be moving away from
> proper manuals..

Well, in a few
minutes I'll be driving down to Phoenix from SLC, taking my
wife's Camry, an
automatic, instead of my manual S10.  Oh well.

Back late sunday,
 hope
Team.Net doesn't blow up while I am gone.

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In 2010 I tried to replace my '07 full-house 5-speed manual tranny Suburu 
Forester, but was told they were now only available in their bottom end 
models. I was working with the CAA (Canadian version of the AAA in the U.S. 
and Australia..) at the time, and had our research folks check on the 
numbers of manual transmission cars being sold in Canada. The number came 
back as less than 6%. This was in 2010! Its less than that now.

I bought a BMW 6 speed manual X3 instead. Now, in this area at least, there 
are NO BMW cars being brought in with manual transmissions.

Its a sign of the times. Cars are being produced that practically drive 
themselves. For sure they park themselves! Driving schools are teaching the 
next gen of drivers in automatic equipped cars. Folks find it difficult to 
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phones while eating a sandwich, AND shift gears too. The gears have to go.

Only old farts and the odd young fella who likes fast cars want a manual 
tranny anymore.

Another reason to like (and preserve!) vintage and antique cars!

Dave



----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jaguar F type


> michael king wrote:
>> Stephen,
>>
>> Don't hold your breath... most manufacturers seems to be moving away from
>> proper manuals..
>
> Well, in a few minutes I'll be driving down to Phoenix from SLC, taking my
> wife's Camry, an automatic, instead of my manual S10.  Oh well.
>
> Back late sunday, hope Team.Net doesn't blow up while I am gone.
>
> mjb.
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The economy cars out of Asia have been a traditional "manual installed" 
vehicle.  Three years ago my wife went looking for a Civic with a manual 5 
speed. It turned out to be quite a search.  Apparently the Civic with manual 
installations is below 10%.  Over on the Studebaker site there was quite a 
discussion going on about how so few kids today can even drive a manual car.

  The irony..., the first time my wife rented a car with an automatic she 
had to ask how to use it.  LOL

Tom 
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I was at the Press reveal of the Jag F-Type Coupe Iat the LA Auto Show and
with all the interest have added pix to my website.
www.motorsportmemories.com/current.

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My daughter, a couple years out of college and finally in a job that has a 
future, decided to buy a new car.  She selected a Hyundai Genesis coupe, 
with a standard transmission. Neat car.   I had to drive it home from the 
dealer for her, because she had never driven a standard.  That weekend, my 
son and I gave her lessons, and got her going.  18,000 Miles later the 
clutch still seems to be alive, but, having ridden with her, its days are 
numbered.

She drove the Tiger.  Once, after many requests.  There have been no further 
requests.

After a memorable encounter with a shallow but snow covered hill last 
winter, she borrowed our spare Escape anytime snow was in the forecast.  But 
now, in typical overreacting fashion, shebs looking for new, winter safe, 
wheels.  A Jeep, the 4 door Wrangler, with, yes, another standard 
transmission.

My view is that an automatic can be better in slippery conditions, allowing 
you gently apply low levels of power, without slipping the clutch.  That was 
my experience from my old Cherokee and Explorer, but she is having none of 
it.  But checking the inventory of area dealers, there arenbt that many 
Jeeps with her desired option packages, that also have standards.

Anyway, there are still a few young folks out there who want to shift for 
themselves.

Stu 
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No doubt they can out perform a human... F1 cars have flappy paddles for a
reason... but enhancing the driving experience (fun) isn't the reason.
Stephen 


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My
Chrysler Crossfire Srt6 is automatic and will out shift any human operator..
They made no Srt6 with a stick shift...No way to test a human
operator........
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I haven't driven an F-Type, saw the convertible in NJ when one was slipped in for a preview at a dealership. Between having to be federally certified separately from the auto box, and representing about five percent only of total sales, some car makers don't want to bother. I was even surprised to learn that Ford offers a manual box for the latest Fusion, but you have to pester the dealer and swear on your childrens children that you won't cancel the order once it's placed, and that's a car that Ford makes a bunch of(with auto boxes).

I guess if Jaguar makes an F-Type for any market with a manual box, and you become King of CarLand, you could drive it within your kingdom.

Rande Bellman
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Stu,
I'm curious, do you get killed when trying to trade in a standard  shift 
car?  Seems the dealer will have a fairly small audience in trying to  unload 
it.
Mark
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/27/2013 8:09:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
stubrennan@comcast.net writes:

My  daughter, a couple years out of college and finally in a job that has a 
 
future, decided to buy a new car.  She selected a Hyundai Genesis  coupe, 
with a standard transmission. Neat car.   I had to drive  it home from the 
dealer for her, because she had never driven a  standard.  That weekend, my 
son and I gave her lessons, and got her  going.  18,000 Miles later the 
clutch still seems to be alive, but,  having ridden with her, its days are  
numbered.
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The ratio of manuals vs. automatics, however, often sweeps quite a ways the
other way when it comes to sports cars.  That said, the Jaguar XJS came to the
US only as an automatic, starting in the 70's when manuals were still more
common than they are today.  On the flip side, the Cooperworks version of the
new Mini Cooper S only comes with the six speed manual gearbox.

--Alex Haugland (who has 16 cars, but only 3 with automatics)
Eugene, OR
USA

On Nov 27, 2013, at 6:03 PM, snakebit289 <snakebit289@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I haven't driven an F-Type, saw the convertible in NJ when one was slipped
in for a preview at a dealership. Between having to be federally certified
separately from the auto box, and representing about five percent only of
total sales, some car makers don't want to bother. I was even surprised to
learn that Ford offers a manual box for the latest Fusion, but you have to
pester the dealer and swear on your childrens children that you won't cancel
the order once it's placed, and that's a car that Ford makes a bunch of(with
auto boxes).
>
> I guess if Jaguar makes an F-Type for any market with a manual box, and you
become King of CarLand, you could drive it within your kingdom.
>
> Rande Bellman
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I don't remember which review it was of the Tiger when it first came 
out, but a race driver who had one as a personal car said he loved the 
car but that Sunbeam *really* needed to come out with an automatic 
transmission.  Most all drag racers I know use automatic transmissions.

I'm thinking of buying a new BMW Z4 or the F-type, and I'm very put off 
by not being able to get a manual transmission, but I do suffer 
intellectually that the modern tranny's are going to get through the 
gears faster than I will be able to.  Time to turn in my slide rule, 
too, and maybe buy one of them new-fangled calculators....

Chris
B3282000331


On 11/27/2013 11:32 PM, Alex Haugland wrote:
> The ratio of manuals vs. automatics, however, often sweeps quite a ways the
> other way when it comes to sports cars.  That said, the Jaguar XJS came to the
> US only as an automatic, starting in the 70's when manuals were still more
> common than they are today.  On the flip side, the Cooperworks version of the
> new Mini Cooper S only comes with the six speed manual gearbox.
>
> --Alex Haugland (who has 16 cars, but only 3 with automatics)
> Eugene, OR
> USA
>
> On Nov 27, 2013, at 6:03 PM, snakebit289 <snakebit289@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I haven't driven an F-Type, saw the convertible in NJ when one was slipped
> in for a preview at a dealership. Between having to be federally certified
> separately from the auto box, and representing about five percent only of
> total sales, some car makers don't want to bother. I was even surprised to
> learn that Ford offers a manual box for the latest Fusion, but you have to
> pester the dealer and swear on your childrens children that you won't cancel
> the order once it's placed, and that's a car that Ford makes a bunch of(with
> auto boxes).
>> I guess if Jaguar makes an F-Type for any market with a manual box, and you
> become King of CarLand, you could drive it within your kingdom.
>> Rande Bellman
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At 06:27 PM 11/27/2013, Thomas Witt wrote:
 >The economy cars out of Asia have been a traditional "manual installed"
 >vehicle.  Three years ago my wife went looking for a Civic with a manual 5
 >speed. It turned out to be quite a search.  Apparently the Civic with
manual
 >installations is below 10%.  Over on the Studebaker site there was quite a
 >discussion going on about how so few kids today can even drive a manual
car.
 >
 >  The irony..., the first time my wife rented a car with an automatic she
 >had to ask how to use it.  LOL

First, I am 63 years old.  Second, I have never
owned a slide-o-matic.  I had to drive one in the
mandatory training course when I was in High
School but I never really understood them and
still do not.  My wife drives a slide-o-matic
Hyundai Sonata but my Hyundai Santa Fe has a
five-speed and, yes, I am quite capable of
shifting it even in a stop and go traffic jam.

I was a maintenance officer in the Army when we
made the conversion from manuals to
automatics.  Enough said about that.  And, yes, I
have rebuilt ten or twenty manual transmissions along the day.

Now, tomorrow, Thanksgiving in the US, my wife
and I will be lugging a six-foot table and
buckets and buckets and ice chests of food to one
of her daughters who lives about two and a half
hours of driving from us.  My wife has offered to
drive part of the way and, Lord!, she's a
farm-raised Michigander, so who am I to
argue?  If you don't hear from me again well,
think kind thoughts in our memory!  <he grins>

I still have Alpine parts around this Palace of
Earthly Delights, even running to a Series V
crank, but I have nothing Tiger for sale.

Manuals are the answer as the driver is in
CONTROL.  Robert Heinlein noted in one of his
science fiction novels that politics was the only
game in town for adults to play.  The same
argument can be made for stick shifts.

Marc


msmall@aya.yale.edu
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...."I was even surprised to learn that Ford offers a manual box for the
latest Fusion, but you have to pester the dealer and swear on your childrens
children that you won't cancel the order once it's placed, and that's a car
that Ford makes a bunch of(with auto boxes)."

The dominance of automatics seems to be a US/North American phenomenon.
Manuals are still quite common in Europe where gas is 4x more expensive.  I
rented a Ford Fusion while on vacation in France that had a 4 cyl diesel
engine with 6-speed manual.  It even had an "upshift" indicator light to
optimize gas mileage and when you put the car in neutral while idling at an
intersection, the engine would shut itself down.  Engaging the clutch to put
the car in gear again would quickly restart the engine.  The first few times
the engine suddenly 'died' in Paris traffic was discomforting.  Getting
stuck in a 4 hour traffic jam en route to de Gaulle airport made me homesick
for my Volvo automatic.  

Cheers, 

Graham Harlowe
B382001466
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When we take the crew bus from european airports to the hotel, usually a
Merecedes Sprinter or equivalent. 10+ pax.  It is almost always a stick.
Diesel as well.

I have seen a dodge caravan diesel manual shift over there.


Scott Hutchinson
Pilot, NetJets Aviation

Mobile 843.290.2805

----- Original Message -----
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...."I was even surprised to learn that Ford offers a manual box for the
latest Fusion, but you have to pester the dealer and swear on your childrens
children that you won't cancel the order once it's placed, and that's a car
that Ford makes a bunch of(with auto boxes)."

The dominance of automatics seems to be a US/North American phenomenon.
Manuals are still quite common in Europe where gas is 4x more expensive.  I
rented a Ford Fusion while on vacation in France that had a 4 cyl diesel
engine with 6-speed manual.  It even had an "upshift" indicator light to
optimize gas mileage and when you put the car in neutral while idling at an
intersection, the engine would shut itself down.  Engaging the clutch to put
the car in gear again would quickly restart the engine.  The first few times
the engine suddenly 'died' in Paris traffic was discomforting.  Getting
stuck in a 4 hour traffic jam en route to de Gaulle airport made me homesick
for my Volvo automatic.

Cheers,

Graham Harlowe
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Mileage is paramount in Europe. And sticks get better mileage---especially
when you put them quickly into 5th.

When my relatives visit from Sweden, they take pictures of the gas pumps
because they are dumbfounded at how cheap it is.
Although I do have a Swedish cousin who owns a 66 Shelby Mustang clone.
They really do love US V-8s.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 28, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Scott Hutchinson <shutchin@netjets.com> wrote:

> When we take the crew bus from european airports to the hotel, usually a
> Merecedes Sprinter or equivalent. 10+ pax.  It is almost always a stick.
> Diesel as well.
>
> I have seen a dodge caravan diesel manual shift over there.
>
>
> Scott Hutchinson
> Pilot, NetJets Aviation
>
> Mobile 843.290.2805
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Graham Harlowe [mailto:gharlowe@comcast.net]
> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 08:24 AM
> To: tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Manual Transmissions
>
> ...."I was even surprised to learn that Ford offers a manual box for the
> latest Fusion, but you have to pester the dealer and swear on your
childrens
> children that you won't cancel the order once it's placed, and that's a car
> that Ford makes a bunch of(with auto boxes)."
>
> The dominance of automatics seems to be a US/North American phenomenon.
> Manuals are still quite common in Europe where gas is 4x more expensive.  I
> rented a Ford Fusion while on vacation in France that had a 4 cyl diesel
> engine with 6-speed manual.  It even had an "upshift" indicator light to
> optimize gas mileage and when you put the car in neutral while idling at an
> intersection, the engine would shut itself down.  Engaging the clutch to
put
> the car in gear again would quickly restart the engine.  The first few
times
> the engine suddenly 'died' in Paris traffic was discomforting.  Getting
> stuck in a 4 hour traffic jam en route to de Gaulle airport made me
homesick
> for my Volvo automatic.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Graham Harlowe
> B382001466
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yep.  in europe/UK autos are normally for disabled people only.  if you
take your test in an auto its because you are missing a leg an you're
subsequently only allowed to drive autos.   quite rightly so.   these days
most large luxury cars have autos but when i was young, an auto was not
much different to having 'hand controls'.

however, this discussion isn't really about auto boxes, is it?  the lack of
a clutch pedal doesn't make it an auto, and a sequential box is really not
that much different to a full manual - it certainly doesn't remove any
'functionality'.   you may as well argue that a sports car shouldn't have
electric windows!  in my rally cars i never use the actual clutch pedal
anyway unless i'm starting from a standstill or doing a handbrake turn.  i
quite often find myself doing this on the road in a manual with a regular
synchromesh box too.

i think that in the US, the manual transmission has been seen as something
for a sports car because its so unusual.  The E60 M5 wasn't even sold as a
manual anywhere but the US.  BMW made a special version because americans
associate a clutch pedal with a sports car.  fortunately, they still sold
the (far better) SMG single clutch 7 speed semi automatic.   oddly (and
very annoyingly) enough they also never sold the wagon version because
americans also associate a wagon with a boring family car.

let's kill these superstitions, i say!


On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Scott Hutchinson <shutchin@netjets.com>wrote:

> When we take the crew bus from european airports to the hotel, usually a
> Merecedes Sprinter or equivalent. 10+ pax.  It is almost always a stick.
> Diesel as well.
>
> I have seen a dodge caravan diesel manual shift over there.
>
>
> Scott Hutchinson
> Pilot, NetJets Aviation
>
> Mobile 843.290.2805
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Graham Harlowe [mailto:gharlowe@comcast.net]
> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 08:24 AM
> To: tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Manual Transmissions
>
> ...."I was even surprised to learn that Ford offers a manual box for the
> latest Fusion, but you have to pester the dealer and swear on your
> childrens
> children that you won't cancel the order once it's placed, and that's a car
> that Ford makes a bunch of(with auto boxes)."
>
> The dominance of automatics seems to be a US/North American phenomenon.
> Manuals are still quite common in Europe where gas is 4x more expensive.  I
> rented a Ford Fusion while on vacation in France that had a 4 cyl diesel
> engine with 6-speed manual.  It even had an "upshift" indicator light to
> optimize gas mileage and when you put the car in neutral while idling at an
> intersection, the engine would shut itself down.  Engaging the clutch to
> put
> the car in gear again would quickly restart the engine.  The first few
> times
> the engine suddenly 'died' in Paris traffic was discomforting.  Getting
> stuck in a 4 hour traffic jam en route to de Gaulle airport made me
> homesick
> for my Volvo automatic.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Graham Harlowe
> B382001466
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No affiliation. Does seem a bit pricey to me.

http://pensacola.craigslist.org/cto/4218048899.html

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strange that he mentions 'service records' for a shell on a rotisserie....


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The future of the manual transmission is in doubt for several reasons. The
endless pursuit of better mpg and performance will drive the manufacturers
towards higher gear counts as engines get smaller and narrower in their
power band. As witness, the latest Audi A4 T2.0 went from a six-speed to an
eight-speed and lost a second 0-to-60 as well as gaining a couple MPG. The
sub-liter class engines now coming in small cars, both gas and diesel,
require lots of speeds to keep them on the boil. Traditional automatics had
more power losses than the equivalent manual versions, but today's new
designs with quick lock-up and integrated engine management achieve better
fuel economy than a manual. The CVT transmissions are finally getting close
to manuals in efficiency and cost as well. The dual clutch systems,
potentially the most efficient of all mechanical energy transfer systems,
are expensive to build and manage but are getting cheaper by the day as
volumes go up.

Then there are the social issues. Yes we Americans are fat and lazy and can
barely lift a left leg to push in that nasty clutch pedal, but why should we
in the Land Of Plentiful Petroleum? Our cities are bumper-to-bumper, our
highways are wide open and vast, and who wants or needs a manual in their
minivan? I mean, after all Dude, how can you text your BFF when you have to
bang third in the on-ramp?? 

In the near future efficiency requirements will push the gear count higher.
Really, who will want to row an 8- or 9-speed in the daily grind? I have one
car with a 6-speed and, track days excepted, its hard enough to keep track
of the gear count in mundane daily commuter driving. No, I don't text while
driving!

On top of it all is the newest generation's lack of enthusiasm for cars in
general and sports cars even less so. We all learned to drive stick out of
necessity, I did not own a manual transmission vehicle for the first 23
years of my driving life, the only automatic in the family being Mom's
ubiquitous land-barge station wagon. Today, as previous posters have
mentioned, you are hard-pressed to even find a manual car, and usually they
are the stripped loss-leader versions.

Unfortunately I think the manual transmission will follow the path of the
buggy whip, our great-grandchildren will simply chuckle at the notion. Too
bad for them...

Happy Thanksgiving!
Bugz, waiting for the family to descend upon us for the feast...
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What still blows my mind is how these dual clutch systems handle creeping stop and go traffic without burning out.

I'm also amazed by the cars that shut off each time you stop.  I could never imagine our old starters and ring gear could ever survive a week of that. 


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From: "Mark Rense" <mark44124@gmail.com>
To: <tigers@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Manual Transmissions

The future of the manual transmission is in doubt for several reasons. The
endless pursuit of better mpg and performance will drive the manufacturers
towards higher gear counts as engines get smaller and narrower in their
power band. As witness, the latest Audi A4 T2.0 went from a six-speed to an
eight-speed and lost a second 0-to-60 as well as gaining a couple MPG. The
sub-liter class engines now coming in small cars, both gas and diesel,
require lots of speeds to keep them on the boil. Traditional automatics had
more power losses than the equivalent manual versions, but today's new
designs with quick lock-up and integrated engine management achieve better
fuel economy than a manual. The CVT transmissions are finally getting close
to manuals in efficiency and cost as well. The dual clutch systems,
potentially the most efficient of all mechanical energy transfer systems,
are expensive to build and manage but are getting cheaper by the day as
volumes go up.

Then there are the social issues. Yes we Americans are fat and lazy and can
barely lift a left leg to push in that nasty clutch pedal, but why should we
in the Land Of Plentiful Petroleum? Our cities are bumper-to-bumper, our
highways are wide open and vast, and who wants or needs a manual in their
minivan? I mean, after all Dude, how can you text your BFF when you have to
bang third in the on-ramp?? 

In the near future efficiency requirements will push the gear count higher.
Really, who will want to row an 8- or 9-speed in the daily grind? I have one
car with a 6-speed and, track days excepted, its hard enough to keep track
of the gear count in mundane daily commuter driving. No, I don't text while
driving!

On top of it all is the newest generation's lack of enthusiasm for cars in
general and sports cars even less so. We all learned to drive stick out of
necessity, I did not own a manual transmission vehicle for the first 23
years of my driving life, the only automatic in the family being Mom's
ubiquitous land-barge station wagon. Today, as previous posters have
mentioned, you are hard-pressed to even find a manual car, and usually they
are the stripped loss-leader versions.

Unfortunately I think the manual transmission will follow the path of the
buggy whip, our great-grandchildren will simply chuckle at the notion. Too
bad for them...

Happy Thanksgiving!
Bugz, waiting for the family to descend upon us for the feast...
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We (from Canada) were looking in Scottsdale, AZ for a 350Z for my 18 yo.
Kept seeing them with autos.
Finally I asked one of the Nissan dealers what's up?
Disconnect:
Me: Can't fathom a 350Z with anything but a manual.
Dealer: Hardly ever see a manual.
Reason: Kids learn from their parents, whose dly drvr is always an auto, so
nobody learns how to drive a standard, so don't order standards.
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As I mentioned the other day, we drove three
hours each way to spend part of Thanksgiving with
my wife's daughter and family.  We had to haul a
bunch of stuff so we took my 2003 Hyundai Santa
Fe with its five-speed manual.  My wife insisted
on driving both ways and, to my surprise, she did
not destroy the clutch or gearbox and did not
once stall the car.  She hadn't driven a straight for seven years or so.

So, no, there are no heaps of busted gears littering US 460.

I've never owned an automatic and have no
intention of doing so, but, then, I learned to
drive back in the 1960's in a Rover 2000TC.  My
wife has a 2006 Hyundai Sonata with a
slide-o-matic transmission.  It is reasonably
powerful and reasonably efficient, but I still prefer to drive the Santa Fe.

Incidentally, my mother taught me how to drive a
stick.  And my son drives a stick even at his
relatively young age of 31.  That apple did not fall far from the tree!

Marc


msmall@aya.yale.edu
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Hmm...what'll they pay for a pair?
;-)

Gary
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Speedhut having Black Friday sale 25% off gauges thru Mon.
Just ordered one.

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Further  about an old subject; just sat in a Buick Regal FWD GS 2.0  turbo 
with a six-speed manual trans at the SF Auto Show.  So, there  are still 
some out there...
 
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