From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 1 12:12:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051E142F58 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 12:12:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63996403D7 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 12:11:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wJdx1m0080QkzPwADK9kQb; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 19:09:44 +0000 Received: from resmail-po-115v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.176.125]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wK9k1m00E2iicuy8NK9kMP; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 19:09:44 +0000 Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 19:09:44 +0000 (UTC) From: modtiger@comcast.net To: Tiger e-mail list (Mac)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: new Tiger write up Thread-Index: LOAQvuaBBIKsVyTYeTwDpyhUakBQNQ== s=q20121106; t=1385924984; bh=wgLbpjXC6EgWtxXJAqfx7k94a+rgDoTFe7SFZSRP21U=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=OeAznpEo4VNeKS9mfIS3u2BvYV4dugbJWmBNqynvrhH93ssOiVAmpWfQQlbqlkgGF QXDMCo58UmG8S/RRKbcrlC/f9LgVV5Il3Wm8XexiH/rsYWt3wWuJvm5oGAyls7RigG ui8QIJ+rveW7D61aCJygaBBlkiQvksr7e13HoRXIBwd+Jcuh89/OkYVRHOBP7U0zGo NqdnNoCBcZpUVm8tSfkYdbhC9CvJBFYDRjLIGIN7VyExdjRYYpq+4e2v8sJsW9YjrM nodn0fMLOPtKAoTTsAcDOaF5g5CEqS/gYbRhDh2aj16aydt5SI3leUkf7ujXzh1j1H VGijW9CzbGIEw== Subject: [Tigers] new Tiger write up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Check out the new article on TIGERS at yahoo autos http://autos.yahoo.com/news/sunbeam-tiger-carroll-other-shelby-174843445.html Tom Hall _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 1 14:23:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E436440323 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 14:23:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72285403D7 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 14:22:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wLur1m0021u4NiLAFMLFZl; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 21:20:15 +0000 Received: from DougPC ([24.20.30.4]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wMLM1m00705Kouo8hMLMt8; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 21:20:22 +0000 From: "65 Sunbeam Tiger" <65sunbeamtiger@comcast.net> To: "Tiger E-Mail List" Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 13:20:19 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7u2pGdyqTT/0rVQ/Wgc3sl3kIIBw== Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1385932815; bh=psd/b+YSi+tD+25zUw9YzXlwvbKJGZ94/tjR9IS8e/g=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=cFfyY+eXNwwP3lTFxZeSJV0qk2FGyR8JY4J+zioloD6NiR9zem+IrZ5Ef1tCR4NUq 15szxTbNOc4gDfkoQGY3FlAoahu1dGcHOYI6ENc5FgdR7LV/K8e1h+A3592jIomUuU VINqE/XjSChSm1rOxTYZqjtkP7YAqSvGRVSavqmoGmQhRIhUwCgH/cYoMw57w8zBK3 voRaXHVrH6Nq+/T/TjA2NTuWzG4aFkFoBHwj30R5PhrOb0QwVMO774sLFM/QqHHQV2 osSiUeTRPZ89jopxN7hZd69tDGWu3ZHJPggUAtEwGk8qpnGj446/YyLlilJZmarUDV JEjCYesNfW9JQ== Subject: [Tigers] Heater bezel silkscreen ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A while back there was a seller on EBay that had re-silkscreened an overlay for the heater control bezel ( Cold Warm Hot Off Car Screen) - was that anyone of this list, or do you recall who it was? I'm putting the dash back together in my long term moonstone B947 car, and could use one. Thanks. Doug Babcock Beaverton, OR Sr. TAC Inspector 3 Tigers and 2 Alpines _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 1 15:37:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FF34053A for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 15:37:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (mail-ob0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B046D40416 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 15:36:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id uz6so11783650obc.6 for ; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 14:34:55 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=s1po46u9Vwub0QYgt4IyCcQ9Q6ju3/n6z3obc5qOhTM=; b=dJ1xkASYp7ZPrw17McuS+JxAKQ5V/arcN7YWlbiY/7/ICT/94mKnCKrnYQJbiAdLg8 2LZfEa6+uqn4TiwPCkvqmM/H2IgE0KptnG4ShkRbUPwTG1drou+8eZ1Woqc4DBUUzMbB ogi3e8j8qKMpcMpg7m9nfwQNK3cq0IRjAbHePLMM6fB6fmYV8ltTSpAtzwzycSCqeE9s 2JRcUDtHTZni2HOzbtZ+KS+KtVhg4zfUqj5ij+HhWq19BWIiLRISQi59fycOxoltD1fM mUaInUAzOgvHU4Ym9/bdQP14N2spFNqVBMqak1AA4l3ThIN8ho9dw0vxAmp5P+9/52ND yZvQ== z9mr250636obk.45.1385937295456; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 14:34:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.228.65 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 14:34:55 -0800 (PST) References: <1237825238.3211458.1385924606736.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> <1653123134.3213805.1385924984267.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 09:34:55 +1100 From: michael king To: Tom Hall Cc: Tiger e-mail list Subject: Re: [Tigers] new Tiger write up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net What a pity they didnt do much research.. perhaps Wikipedia? *"Sunbeam made a splash in the US in 1959 when it introduced the Alpine, a sporty little ride with a 2.3-liter inline-4*" They have confused the "mark" alpines with the "series" cars. *"The biggest challenge in building the Tiger was fitting a large American engine in a tiny UK-designed body. To accomplish this, the design team used rack-and-pinion steering and a number of other modifications considered exotic at the time*" Um... err exotic? There are also a few misleading statements regarding the spec... On 2 December 2013 06:09, wrote: > Check out the new article on TIGERS at yahoo autos > > > http://autos.yahoo.com/news/sunbeam-tiger-carroll-other-shelby-174843445.html > > Tom Hall > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 1 15:58:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330F840546 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 15:58:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.30]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DF8940416 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 15:58:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2013 22:56:14 -0000 Received: from [98.138.100.112] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2013 22:53:28 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.151] by tm103.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2013 22:53:27 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.226] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2013 22:53:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1035.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2013 22:53:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 73138 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2013 22:53:27 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385938407; bh=Pc+2ZZBNObGVSAMez6cNOIGfdokI99SsDjEIIyJlJVA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xJsOW3tBvhdpCYicK74KEIzVUYMonoURmXm7lySsHHwCMDeNqwBSsl7dRHpKs3x225ELGvCuGENZVx1xKQG3lnv9izOsxxPO0rwEAc5bNSgPh7+MQ/errFIcgqab4Oq/5rqykuEIoqSlhnuCPP2EIOI+38jQ8rSg+ScmvbMtWm4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=f9fHZO/grhRYSlZpqetGgHLR3TiB4i4xPO+L49m8ZzrrjueTJQH7VIkRc1CPA28QNP/xUL7Sf8BFz/N+EHiaR79bF8h3WyX4gFPsk2uPoSj0Eg5xHW5lm4DVBQoMA6uy3piPcPgGFt8uwuXye1SQGBOWoCBNdtDkBIV2uTLl2ZM=; QegMy7KjzuSoML0dpSWLvFGkNE66j254SOMMUnxwnQkZqC08zcbrni1qiQim Rq8hx.Sg5y5d_nDLSNhSQSj6GX9nnjRJmbSreuvclLzRDd5HqBL3iGrbrl_w wdt0XPcEuEVQAGW_zeoOCfX.33BRD2g6xWWJ8IiRusHWaYZzWgW67Gy3_pc1 1vX80paHVaE8MubPlEsQPUJzS65F0wXSp_h4DWfWTblyT4SjvHj2usqYGXu7 fGTvbTsjNNxRIbZEOKZkaW8Er6PEgQda.H5MAnHxw8UzhW4jQvmK02vJSZbJ fNFzYzqy.g7dIxSSkh4Ly0kqTlkRzWI75FbGl2xKgQGlpZ9q00as9KZn1VWO kyA.EzRPqob3r8Y_vx6MmJYSDz3_4_rVZ9JzpE4IGDFoD1LF6uyfKnYqAjyZ H_XkD9Ywg9AmrcWzJqPClXsYKQ6uzr13GpFrabfRn.JGQ5QzKm70dUvZ4hF9 Aw5ZlOk7K461ucqJGSNNhmqpXb1sOJmpnq8cYBMjxUHU58uRp30faBtJPg5D vV.iKmD.Pb1AOeo4sOMKGYoeb7wExfdnyAtiLxFsgmQM.0tnrJ0RepYqJnZd a.a2XATGWVBqH_atmVUCGN8Gj7LLzGKKFeHLNvwcaacD12G4rz4gTu_6WRv3 2dmqTMhh..bHhrZl7JKs2hAga6K_zcOJYRBsmpv9zcVaQSiiUWj223yHmgrG 0A60RPA-- Received: from [173.48.171.26] by web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 14:53:27 PST V2UndmUgYmVlbiBjb21wbGFpbmluZyBhYm91dCB0aGUgd2lraSBlbnRyeSwgYW5kIHRoaXMgbmV3IGZpY3Rpb24gZnJvbSBZYWhvbyhhcHBhcmVudGx5IGZyb20gQSBZYWhvbykgbWFrZXMgdGhlIHdpa2kgc3R1ZmYgYWxtb3N0IHNlZW0gbGlrZSB0aGUgQmlibGUgYnkgY29tcGFyaXNvbi4gV2hpbGUgSSB0aGluayBvZiBpdCwgTWljaGFlbCwgbG9vayBvbiB0aGUgRmFjZWJvb2sgJ1N1bmJlYW0gVGlnZXInIHBhZ2UsIHNwZWNpZmljYWxseSBhdCB0aGUgcGhvdG9zIG9mIHRoZSBLZW4gTWlsZXMgcHJvdG90eXABMAEBAQE- References: <1237825238.3211458.1385924606736.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> <1653123134.3213805.1385924984267.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 14:53:27 -0800 (PST) From: snakebit289 To: michael king Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] new Tiger write up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net We've been complaining about the wiki entry, and this new fiction from Yahoo(apparently from A Yahoo) makes the wiki stuff almost seem like the Bible by comparison. While I think of it, Michael, look on the Facebook 'Sunbeam Tiger' page, specifically at the photos of the Ken Miles prototype pre-restoration. Heck, this goes for modtiger, as well. Recognize anyone in the two photos? rb On Sunday, December 1, 2013 5:34 PM, michael king wrote: What a pity they didnt do much research.. perhaps Wikipedia? *"Sunbeam made a splash in the US in 1959 when it introduced the Alpine, a sporty little ride with a 2.3-liter inline-4*" They have confused the "mark" alpines with the "series" cars. *"The biggest challenge in building the Tiger was fitting a large American engine in a tiny UK-designed body. To accomplish this, the design team used rack-and-pinion steering and a number of other modifications considered exotic at the time*" Um... err exotic? There are also a few misleading statements regarding the spec... On 2 December 2013 06:09, wrote: > Check out the new article on TIGERS at yahoo autos > > > http://autos.yahoo.com/news/sunbeam-tiger-carroll-other-shelby-174843445.html > > Tom Hall > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/snakebit289@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 1 16:46:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CCA240546 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 16:46:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cmta14.telus.net (cmta14.telus.net [209.171.16.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D1640416 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 16:46:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from JimPC ([64.180.202.97]) by cmta14.telus.net with TELUS id wPkQ1m00126biso01PkQUm; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 16:44:25 -0700 a=XGpgU1NhXoD5BHGiwmP3cg==:17 a=XLBzun_u07MA:10 a=kg4CHXgqtSEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dyTapXDjAAAA:8 a=_UbEc662leQA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=Sop34PN-AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=5bgYU1QBvAlakPVE_HIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=zt5n9trE1W4A:10 a=ZDTNZos5v_UA:10 a=XGpgU1NhXoD5BHGiwmP3cg==:117 From: "jim" To: "'65 Sunbeam Tiger'" <65sunbeamtiger@comcast.net>, "'Tiger E-Mail List'" References: <000001ceeedb$23d51a20$6b7f4e60$@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 15:44:05 -0800 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac7u2pGdyqTT/0rVQ/Wgc3sl3kIIBwAFGgug Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater bezel silkscreen ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Doug Try Paul Breuhan... http://www.breuhan.com/Sunbeam.html paul@breuhan.com Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 65 Sunbeam Tiger Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:20 PM To: Tiger E-Mail List Subject: [Tigers] Heater bezel silkscreen ? A while back there was a seller on EBay that had re-silkscreened an overlay for the heater control bezel ( Cold Warm Hot Off Car Screen) - was that anyone of this list, or do you recall who it was? I'm putting the dash back together in my long term moonstone B947 car, and could use one. Thanks. Doug Babcock Beaverton, OR Sr. TAC Inspector 3 Tigers and 2 Alpines _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 22:17:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88CD540452 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:17:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f170.google.com (mail-pd0-f170.google.com [209.85.192.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB43E403A6 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:16:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f170.google.com with SMTP id g10so19535567pdj.15 for ; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:14:32 -0800 (PST) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version; bh=znHQQscboLKjcE0Izvyj8h3q13e6NJDeUWvMv9b+zb8=; b=hjTTcNf3dftgGtbAxxOSf4BKUXftNRAycjSjYa6cuoTrIy+L1vwVPioKNGJJ9zHryb uD18zsWgHrBCuwvXPE9W6HAZDmR5v1bT5S5YMp/ZpkCFUqnYYx2punLgiPCXgcOo9lXI WDYVxXvtaMTYSmMrTuSxf/swvkeLX2S7fqdoCZ4+lv4sUSbRmd/vOkGq6sU/iVS5kwin vDNgqysSlAkigIp4B0NtIM9/gJONaBqcFyiKbepx9BJYfgMNMp+6g5qh5zhWn3ghmAo4 O0c9mm8XAGrgy+fcGZepAQkCVZjjb97MU89NMlCG2ILxleD3wHhhaTsbc6b/aTBXLChh VcRQ== g3mr12780240pad.138.1386047672085; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.2] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i10sm143836714pat.11.2013.12.02.21.14.30 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:14:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jay Laifman Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 21:14:28 -0800 To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I was just watching an episode with my son. It was about max overhearing a plot to kill rocket scientists, but then lost his memory because of some pills. The best part is that it featured the car for much of the episode. I know that the history is that an Alpine was used when the machine gun popped out of the bonnet. I'm sure it was used for lots of other scenes scenes. But in the driving scenes on this episode, it was definitely a Tiger (with dual exhausts). They really tossed the car around too. But interestingly with all the scenes where they were sitting in the car or standing next to it, it had a S1-S2 windscreen on the car (with no glass). But it still had the S3-SV/Tiger quarter windows. I had no idea they could be swapped that way. The back edge of the frame clearly curved, while the quarter window forward edge was straight. Just some interesting tid bits. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 22:22:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AA24054A for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:22:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f53.google.com (mail-oa0-f53.google.com [209.85.219.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D112403A6 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:22:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id m1so14175205oag.26 for ; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:20:36 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=KgRABIP/HPZJ0xR1UUtVE7sNnM3fzBWLpIkGyo8ivBs=; b=smAyJrASiuDaqQTxTEDXN2wYfwSJSP9t7wW/R4GgpiBKtkcI4oELsr1BSSKFc8IEAC hC7Tl6AsV6RjkBRhWK9f2TkSVc8VOoygTtxvI4dnIS85L4FNXjtG2wmwrzdEoARX5TTp Q8TrQKMOBoHN7VGZchcQQvAHLueKY5Q7gCYQEzp5AVbjJp04qGr6lU2W6XSyLjkXQyT+ +l19NcG4V5lHTkhYpbSqO4mrvut88tpCslU2K6weQbaZqMmRxasS4uY0spL/WPqvBO7f /LugKkE3IepUxfmJ6pwbrav/untuoxgBV0xRJCPo5Uwo/wcOGD2VG4RzXj1fR+CzIDnj JziQ== rt5mr40862obb.76.1386048036524; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.228.65 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 21:20:36 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:20:36 +1100 From: michael king To: Jay Laifman Cc: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay that's very odd regarding the early screen and 1/4 windows.. they would not fit without modificaitn as the screens sit at different angles... as for the driving scenes.. don't be sure it wasn't an alpine.. I was watching one a while back and noticed that there was carb smoke coming out the left rear pipe.. nothing from the right... i suspect alpine as in the aerial shot you could see an alpine trans shifter. As a side note in some episodes the car has non peaked chrome rims.. LAT 70 wheels and in some crash scenes they used a S3 Alpine. On 3 December 2013 16:14, Jay Laifman wrote: > I was just watching an episode with my son. It was about max overhearing a > plot to kill rocket scientists, but then lost his memory because of some > pills. The best part is that it featured the car for much of the episode. > I > know that the history is that an Alpine was used when the machine gun > popped > out of the bonnet. I'm sure it was used for lots of other scenes scenes. > But > in the driving scenes on this episode, it was definitely a Tiger (with dual > exhausts). They really tossed the car around too. > > But interestingly with all the scenes where they were sitting in the car or > standing next to it, it had a S1-S2 windscreen on the car (with no glass). > But it still had the S3-SV/Tiger quarter windows. I had no idea they > could be > swapped that way. The back edge of the frame clearly curved, while the > quarter window forward edge was straight. > > Just some interesting tid bits. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 22:34:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C703A40400 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:34:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f181.google.com (mail-pd0-f181.google.com [209.85.192.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17636403A6 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:33:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f181.google.com with SMTP id p10so19327671pdj.26 for ; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:31:32 -0800 (PST) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=xcR+bOgCMU/XjCCoSBTnyB103V14ARouU6aLXNzWQ9A=; b=PpUQm0GNQjEW7g1dvQKoYNcRe8r1uQChpcxuB9/W9gvaK15w+Zut4vjXC50Gc/hh/w fUlAN/iDD4kEAjuLKNTvQYjCN9pOhqXQyT3+u1ACKchHLnCB5JiBEWihw7i19PqswxWP th9VhlaMP/xM+7KsoiJrCFhg0pPdVENYEoPeKHleEFJmVpZpWOlO/cM35qs4qKJ+Zm0I fqXx85XeWdS7HF63dZE/pqu7PIx8sC3giFU0LrcTIdMRLPqEYM9TAkUuS3zyQnI6ANjc Sx+slUE5kshmYEDX6PHft6QyGfc/6Taq/XCjPt+ERlXJ4GKxMhoERGohFFJglW7/OSDS yCaw== jb1mr36058958pbc.104.1386048692273; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.2] ([76.91.103.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ha10sm126957919pbd.17.2013.12.02.21.31.30 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:31:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jay Laifman Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 21:31:29 -0800 References: To: michael king Cc: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I could have sworn exhaust was coming out of both pipes. But, I can't swear to that - and sadly we deleted the episode. But, I can swear to the S1-S2 windshield frame (without glass). Completely odd. The shots when they were looking over their shoulders, at the dash and over the bonnet, were a bit odd. The dash was black, the clock was covered with a round flat black disk. There was a factory radio. But the shifter was not a TIger or Alpine shifter that I've ever seen. On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:20 PM, michael king wrote: > Jay that's very odd regarding the early screen and 1/4 windows.. they would not fit without modificaitn as the screens sit at different angles... as for the driving scenes.. don't be sure it wasn't an alpine.. I was watching one a while back and noticed that there was carb smoke coming out the left rear pipe.. nothing from the right... i suspect alpine as in the aerial shot you could see an alpine trans shifter. > > As a side note in some episodes the car has non peaked chrome rims.. LAT 70 wheels and in some crash scenes they used a S3 Alpine. > > > On 3 December 2013 16:14, Jay Laifman wrote: > I was just watching an episode with my son. It was about max overhearing a > plot to kill rocket scientists, but then lost his memory because of some > pills. The best part is that it featured the car for much of the episode. I > know that the history is that an Alpine was used when the machine gun popped > out of the bonnet. I'm sure it was used for lots of other scenes scenes. But > in the driving scenes on this episode, it was definitely a Tiger (with dual > exhausts). They really tossed the car around too. > > But interestingly with all the scenes where they were sitting in the car or > standing next to it, it had a S1-S2 windscreen on the car (with no glass). > But it still had the S3-SV/Tiger quarter windows. I had no idea they could be > swapped that way. The back edge of the frame clearly curved, while the > quarter window forward edge was straight. > > Just some interesting tid bits. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 3 07:39:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909F64051D for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 07:39:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f45.google.com (mail-pb0-f45.google.com [209.85.160.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D78840523 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 07:37:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id rp16so21113226pbb.18 for ; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 06:35:42 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=HKwyNap4CkfwzwanuppOHafP604fNOa5JWGwMVfvKcA=; b=OEQ+SA7dt0h1lNFBzrTk3Z/jyl6jsDmr5PFmLyzjskJDPeNRw7tDUXw7noSd2ZQJtP 87ZLHWc4iIniHHO1a/QQZ/6jDFR4u8ySXYmscs/8Yl8zGE6ejodz7PT8aKNvMqMbxShd +Mc+XELEMjCTTx2ZZGE2/QH7cUlnwnpkwdo9wIXSyWmTPJFMdKlaKghDSaUSoWim+xQN x2Res8xPIc8z3ocXScmbBFangjv6gkFTxsH9lkOQlyCD8hxPxdXz0S9Cgt0aqOVNwJva n6gCHkTWecmRV1FTuv6FCceM/ag0urguHS91b0NTrrL3W9XQSdqDvM8p9+7iBAGTt192 OIRQ== w20mr74314363pag.15.1386081342015; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 06:35:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.126.197 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 06:35:41 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 08:35:41 -0600 From: Cullen McCann To: Jay Laifman Cc: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net After all of the discussion about the Get Smart Tiger over the years, I have lost track of what was said about its location. Where is that Tiger now? Do we know what production unit it is/was? Cullen On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > I was just watching an episode with my son. It was about max overhearing a > plot to kill rocket scientists, but then lost his memory because of some > pills. The best part is that it featured the car for much of the episode. > I > know that the history is that an Alpine was used when the machine gun > popped > out of the bonnet. I'm sure it was used for lots of other scenes scenes. > But > in the driving scenes on this episode, it was definitely a Tiger (with dual > exhausts). They really tossed the car around too. > > But interestingly with all the scenes where they were sitting in the car or > standing next to it, it had a S1-S2 windscreen on the car (with no glass). > But it still had the S3-SV/Tiger quarter windows. I had no idea they > could be > swapped that way. The back edge of the frame clearly curved, while the > quarter window forward edge was straight. > > Just some interesting tid bits. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 3 08:32:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED2142798 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 08:32:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD8940414 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 08:32:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id x1AM1m0010ldTLk5B3VvHT; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 15:29:55 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-219v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.48.253]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id x3Vv1m00H5Tlpyy013Vvic; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 15:29:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:29:54 +0000 (UTC) From: stubrennan@comcast.net To: Cullen McCann References: Thread-Topic: Maxwell Smart Tiger Thread-Index: kvdUuX9vPAEQLNuEpXrj7eAxugNI+w== s=q20121106; t=1386084595; bh=NOQQYkONHeBAlTzcYteN80LBqE9FhaBDwqczFg7QP4I=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=cym8mIsa8vfKbZBV3UBjoPbsYDaHG0kjSwe8PZ6+6D/5d29nBlkSxxGm7oFxzPHk3 Jd/K1XV+sXzhOI/pmLQNh9nmRA55l29hLukXaCQG9Sq54sKS0snSMxmWi8LCP0a6ZW nog4Lyf9+o1SuOZT4v3wS+NFbFOWSOy50WdByv2Lo3Hce9u0nU7diQ7D75fAoPPiBa AWqWvu78QoB1QsFo15vLzNOylXpL6zbtqovdhEua6U2WMYZLGRw8xhq+cKtjEiav1z D7AFlhLZfi/g8uXCm7AeMBnzMCfki7VtiPjN6n+TAEabvdQIFberLBfXD1W3orqX4r uelJOqCKpf4Yg== Cc: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net IIRC, one story says that Don Adams ended up with a Tiger from the show, drove it a few years, but one of his kids totaled it. Stu After all of the discussion about the Get Smart Tiger over the years, I have lost track of what was said about its location. Where is that Tiger now? Do we know what production unit it is/was? Cullen _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 3 09:18:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6584D40520 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:18:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0083440432 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:18:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.167] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2013 16:15:53 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.241] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2013 16:15:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2013 16:15:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1386087308; bh=rZ3mUisbGfHhSGTdEsFCGsz2itXHHf594RgFQIbOA2c=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:CC:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type; b=DRTro7mm3Sv7U2KJ8VbLxW3T5Q3xe3SJVPSZHT/5ZZ57fPFRelSdn5D3vfMk8SKALncMaVsq6s0nfy70XSIhpQeTcTElgcEULL0sZMNsIxJM1rSx5L4/Xr+271KB2Kzo0JEauLXAuTmoXaG02gEBAARlI3cfScZ7qp2a9nDTTWU= Y9A91T2JDaJZZsuiyfY_t5.YcBAbsk8QVpqHZRWTs8th0dEOjH87k_uNIvgu 4PhfM.jU.L7GjXdF0POc.leBozGwN341NaX_Pj6TC_VAAXVESBGUo9Z_weP6 ORdpGuoWybtlGj99.BQbCb76yt4LXtBOA3OFpc3aNXWyPQWrqGW5ZC2EV5CX n9aEjHCSVlnm4OXGILwSEuWGG0hJoh6BfWfyz4zhb4hNgIJ9HVoS1jdhtPyZ RzzwwYJAHSWz9Pbie6otaPdRIP5KTgfAPpdTylPofX_X5A.hJakwizFWQ25l hteoUW36ZPkl0BTClikx6W2HdHwNlF3yclo8H1xxXX6mPr3cAhFHFpXhXGMs jIjxwPTyx6Pq3Z3SY2ioNMj9zn9HvByLC5sot6qJbvLF1C1zS8la1E5EyF9B Yvl_XyGcE8xCHMNClv2oqn2uz1WHxGm5wyY_oxqEgaFm16Khk9Xo6ONj8Da9 sbx2HDbzFRXAyWnhNYjeAyRb.qIbS.WXTEJkVepEJSzVwmiNFqZ1csObQ2ug hbeYVbVA8MrEmY8WHV59eM1YrZUcfv_AlUdtd4NHpX87UamVKHB5l5ih1uTL 5VYJgkVHc0w-- smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Dec 2013 08:15:08 -0800 PST User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.9.131030 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 11:12:04 -0500 From: Don Antilla To: Cullen McCann , Jay Laifman Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart Tiger References: Cc: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tiger enthusiasts: I participated in a BMW-sponsored 1400 mile motorcycle Charity Run in California in 2009. The trip started out in Long Beach, went up to Yosemite, Death Valley, Morro Bay etc., and finally wound its way back to the LA area. The event culminated in a big parade and a gathering near Grauman's Theater and included many Hollywood movie cars; this Tiger was one of the cars. I have a few more photos if you want them. Don A On 12/3/13 9:35 AM, "Cullen McCann" wrote: >After all of the discussion about the Get Smart Tiger over the years, I >have lost track of what was said about its location. Where is that Tiger >now? Do we know what production unit it is/was? > >Cullen > > >On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Jay Laifman >wrote: > >> I was just watching an episode with my son. It was about max >>overhearing a >> plot to kill rocket scientists, but then lost his memory because of some >> pills. The best part is that it featured the car for much of the >>episode. >> I >> know that the history is that an Alpine was used when the machine gun >> popped >> out of the bonnet. I'm sure it was used for lots of other scenes >>scenes. >> But >> in the driving scenes on this episode, it was definitely a Tiger (with >>dual >> exhausts). They really tossed the car around too. >> >> But interestingly with all the scenes where they were sitting in the >>car or >> standing next to it, it had a S1-S2 windscreen on the car (with no >>glass). >> But it still had the S3-SV/Tiger quarter windows. I had no idea they >> could be >> swapped that way. The back edge of the frame clearly curved, while the >> quarter window forward edge was straight. >> >> Just some interesting tid bits. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fast427@sbcglobal.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Tiger gun.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Get Smart Cockpit.jpg] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 3 09:43:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8351240525 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:43:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300E640437 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:43:42 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Z7o6bMiFauWrN6qlWJEz3Hz97F7F8G0GPVJtsQNXd2DTbLSfnKa2QOTUHxxTW5NH; h=Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Importance:From:To:Cc:Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [70.211.71.153] (helo=[10.179.29.210]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Vnt2P-00083k-Om; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 11:41:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 08:41:27 -0800 From: "Norman C. Miller" To: stubrennan@comcast.net, cmccann1972@gmail.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The "Get Smart" Tiger (listef in Ian Garrad's West Coast company cars listing) has never been claimed by anyone Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: stubrennan@comcast.net Date: 12/03/2013 7:29 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Cullen McCann Cc: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart Tiger IIRC, one story says that Don Adams ended up with a Tiger from the show, drove it a few years, but one of his kids totaled it. Stu After all of the discussion about the Get Smart Tiger over the years, I have lost track of what was said about its location. Where is that Tiger now? Do we know what production unit it is/was? Cullen _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rootes1@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 3 16:40:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7EC44281B for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:40:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A6240548 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:40:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id ht10so10874744vcb.1 for ; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 15:37:59 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FC4lX+LtrkjsX3+W2hHzlxzRQLkjFZbVoiUMK97hGmY=; b=o+wvxjnWL6XRY9SBzEucJAheb03WtH9NSuiYBN+TGAC7HfMJAvYiU/CHB3KZL6Aa5t KKq+JKDhKi7JObzhhPIa2dznBav0uz4QXEGBtO1h4SevPPSj7oyYYfC9plKo/IO1sXhq WasWdzPITb82qScKN+wkpM64Ya9ssJck3dJWqAUXpAoPJ/1ldaEt2/XBMO0hVvAORMhW UT8+qkoe1yWC9ak/oSSVpSYDOiy7tzRJdGLKOZCjbZ96rr+xUHWIRAOLoFJcXeGHEXCJ WGRFr/2EqBjeJ6e7GIK8Js+9c/Y/FUrlBwWhgh59QRBnIVBVcFTmAjW7vw1rnX6Du/Fg MgUw== sn8mr875461veb.33.1386113879429; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 15:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.218.140 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:37:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:37:59 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart Tiger Episode Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For what it is worth, I just did a search on line and found that the episode I just saw that started this is: "Where-What-How-Who Am I?" Season 2, Episode 23 Which is on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph8_IdLwETM _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 3 16:43:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A1642798 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:43:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C822440548 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:43:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id wm4so15452329obc.28 for ; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 15:40:53 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=8sWSjF/Stge1PaP/Xa2qLKDRVtoCppZJCbfEXo3qdz8=; b=iFlcOAt8dw9/SifcFvKsmll0tKn+gfURwJ3G/++Uk+0ux5DkDg1++OObSeBCzW8mDR AJssdcwN+GoXJ47CT6tjxi/cg9F7exs0fqqdsnSBhRMYvbF3WihJanrxkse6AOzv4mI0 cJWxJBfz1xtp64RCMbwRgcbRfZy73lGEdc+rlu00I3vf/jTRsaralLgFt/8R8vwD49SU 39rqc7T0+dLCoeowb+alHeqCIAavu5vviczNkR4IWqYCbqrQMXAJrBnrrU33imcebYVo gSJmQWXwU2bvSVND/6OozGvQRqqnyxjOXPGY8VxeJS2B0ygTUPJxqSdeaEXMIa9cCSdf Sf2A== m6mr60959559oeu.14.1386114053568; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 15:40:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.228.65 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:40:53 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 10:40:53 +1100 From: michael king To: Jay Laifman Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart Tiger Episode Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The car that crashes is a SII Alpine.. also what with the maybe 16"?wheel painted red rolling away from the accident!.. maybe that was the cause not the gunfire! On 4 December 2013 10:37, Jay Laifman wrote: > For what it is worth, I just did a search on line and found that the > episode I just saw that started this is: > > > "Where-What-How-Who Am I?" Season 2, Episode 23 > > > > Which is on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph8_IdLwETM > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 3 16:43:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D6642A31 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:43:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f177.google.com (mail-ve0-f177.google.com [209.85.128.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA8540548 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:43:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f177.google.com with SMTP id db12so11048894veb.36 for ; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 15:41:05 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ose4X1QGDB2OcnEs1jWdWmp3WWV7HZfSLIsFwmN+ITI=; b=tH3BzpUCDECEsmETwJoPkb9LgPN/Hg7PoAhcYxtuY+vKRtEoFP0Y9/tSiHT09jVdbP FSxDLG+fh/Nzu24n2WrwYHNLQrCf5bqtOkMowqb00Ot6FrBo0gzg79ir0RB2VsJBCsOH 6QuiUkQQeEGj/lPmuYAW9JvmbyT2VvEe3MxNiYfuegFGzcJtnDhghcoboKkVmtooOyWE pCMhw2zJT2gGVzRJCaroP1CYaknSg6texVwd7uIHckkHxxS1NjDeKlbF9VxpDVoRGPrd hhlT2RFvaNucOZwHw0pOrUsB6kQZhNuI6s9yoV+cZso4EDiQTrGrG3aZthXP7Ky2x3dP sXAQ== cj6mr7439965vcb.23.1386114065505; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 15:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.218.140 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:41:05 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:41:05 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart Tiger Episode Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net And I now take back that the gun is identical. It is not. Also, the one in the show did not have "SUNBEAM" across the front. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > For what it is worth, I just did a search on line and found that the > episode I just saw that started this is: > > > "Where-What-How-Who Am I?" Season 2, Episode 23 > > > > Which is on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph8_IdLwETM _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 3 16:53:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9DC42787 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:53:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f174.google.com (mail-vc0-f174.google.com [209.85.220.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E7F4051D for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:53:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id id10so10413243vcb.19 for ; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 15:51:11 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=I/OSXtQOdZfsnF1GhUGNAauiKm1v5JBeuX1pfnfOTZU=; b=VFUy0wepd6qFp3cfOgLwwohaqS7FG/cO/ya0QHB+lpwl0/5Tk0RDxXF49NdXWbvldZ Utt9ezMrCfHcnAW3AXQJ/J7wMM/1c1fauCFly7S8mq6I7K6bvqpKBWSDHQYtcHUl1iXh cvz67yMeJMufTTQ34CRSpJp8UruvdPuRzqRibnqxOFTlJGKp/wtDqNWquXh3vAGnjOuQ s5D6eM6LRU+UdU4obHBVK/tuna0PjFW6vu2tOWThF9VnBMudq88j8g6adw581DrxwebE ld4Q+BwnZiujkoSrxKyI9aUTX4s+WRJTZo8hDO5VWIOseu5iLKD759dWz4GKGegO6qpf 0fqw== cj6mr7465971vcb.23.1386114671534; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 15:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.218.140 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:51:11 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:51:11 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: michael king Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart Tiger Episode Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Also the car in use in the driving scenes does not have GT door caps. But I change my view on the shifter. Now that I see it on my computer, it is clearly a SV full synchro shifter. Interestingly in the show at 22:23, they show the dash and the radio area has two round gauges. But at 22:31, they show it again and it seems to have a radar screen type thing. I did not see a wheel roll by or a SII though. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:40 PM, michael king wrote: > The car that crashes is a SII Alpine.. also what with the maybe 16"?wheel > painted red rolling away from the accident!.. maybe that was the cause not > the gunfire! > > > On 4 December 2013 10:37, Jay Laifman wrote: > >> For what it is worth, I just did a search on line and found that the >> episode I just saw that started this is: >> >> >> "Where-What-How-Who Am I?" Season 2, Episode 23 >> >> >> >> Which is on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph8_IdLwETM >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 3 16:57:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591854281B for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:57:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1983B4051D for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:57:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id wn1so15217718obc.19 for ; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 15:55:17 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=A+3CQu6MPjeRrQ0ux5LN9DIKoLZVvmOcMXb5POaajyM=; b=wwCdV+SRlLxN4zfStAudDP5KL+XY8StS3xfJlk2SDf9u1uW+m9k/u7DwfasvLG3gQw CC1iSTpRmTFUUgU7tKxq1bKK6j2pz+o6bquCaE/qMBQV8ablOBJfC4QSaKfZRsccwnuN gV6jw7alTfSO+yrOoAIowwXVAsIgiqx4BiSH+146Y8QwyVw0Iy4FkojltXrtAexbux+V ZI8+scs6MjPXMHcFaq1bRDXNmrpJB50WxpNbU60lq/HACmR7+cCHt64+1JhHxVDmy74w 6zoKCtROpIUj6Zv1yjz829ApVow+1Os4BsnK73FXgU/TIIrtMRZ5qrThlkKUQkpDW9GK xvsg== pq5mr3231931obc.64.1386114917688; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 15:55:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.228.65 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:55:17 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 10:55:17 +1100 From: michael king To: Jay Laifman Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart Tiger Episode Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The "tiger" is actually a SV Alpine ST, no nose lettering, plastic wheel and vinyl soft top coverings On 4 December 2013 10:51, Jay Laifman wrote: > Also the car in use in the driving scenes does not have GT door caps. > > But I change my view on the shifter. Now that I see it on my computer, it > is clearly a SV full synchro shifter. Interestingly in the show at 22:23, > they show the dash and the radio area has two round gauges. But at 22:31, > they show it again and it seems to have a radar screen type thing. > > I did not see a wheel roll by or a SII though. > > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:40 PM, michael king wrote: > >> The car that crashes is a SII Alpine.. also what with the maybe 16"?wheel >> painted red rolling away from the accident!.. maybe that was the cause not >> the gunfire! >> >> >> On 4 December 2013 10:37, Jay Laifman wrote: >> >>> For what it is worth, I just did a search on line and found that the >>> episode I just saw that started this is: >>> >>> >>> "Where-What-How-Who Am I?" Season 2, Episode 23 >>> >>> >>> >>> Which is on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph8_IdLwETM >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers@autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Michael King >> > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 3 17:02:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DBC4295A for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 17:02:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0366A40537 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 17:02:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id ks9so10433442vcb.40 for ; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:00:14 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1m/P+41UwXeHJ5amdHUQrONX/xtC8I/FZuD9AjriJV4=; b=mFKlwJo4fj9n04IKQQMMkNC+U3h4JeNSUL0MR+0MAqEMjOrQVNZ44rfr+T+SzbqIRJ llAXvG9HwQyY5iMO1NcCc0YRk9AT1l6DCce4hja9N0JESjAsPzhQTD2aJSVntyjKqnPA 0MWCwLpgTQMJVGiF3Cu8ZsdtpLST2pRejnSiyTogzNJCzV7amAyahC/un+KgU3Z2cxGX BEkpK1Y4HLnIwL9mu4b6Fxr9jWJ8t+pUAu6piM4ufglH2KTCf1hEdC6NOxpE4A4ZxF65 aYmB2lPZ/wooh3A0cr6i0OR/SwOKkdueThgyzZ8umtHp7IQYsjrzvcG8h1MCo6+XpdUC wN3A== lu12mr936897vec.30.1386115214622; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.218.140 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:00:14 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:00:14 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: michael king Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart Tiger Episode Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Found the crash scene at 3:36. I went too fast. Yep agree on all counts. Pointy fins, wrong large wheel. And, I question if the hood is even a Sunbeam hood. It looks too wide and flat, even in its crunched condition. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:55 PM, michael king wrote: > The "tiger" is actually a SV Alpine ST, no nose lettering, plastic wheel > and vinyl soft top coverings > > > On 4 December 2013 10:51, Jay Laifman wrote: > >> Also the car in use in the driving scenes does not have GT door caps. >> >> But I change my view on the shifter. Now that I see it on my computer, >> it is clearly a SV full synchro shifter. Interestingly in the show at >> 22:23, they show the dash and the radio area has two round gauges. But at >> 22:31, they show it again and it seems to have a radar screen type thing. >> >> I did not see a wheel roll by or a SII though. >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:40 PM, michael king wrote: >> >>> The car that crashes is a SII Alpine.. also what with the maybe >>> 16"?wheel painted red rolling away from the accident!.. maybe that was the >>> cause not the gunfire! >>> >>> >>> On 4 December 2013 10:37, Jay Laifman wrote: >>> >>>> For what it is worth, I just did a search on line and found that the >>>> episode I just saw that started this is: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Where-What-How-Who Am I?" Season 2, Episode 23 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Which is on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph8_IdLwETM >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> tigers@autox.team.net >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> >>> Michael King >>> >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 6 20:34:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1D44313B for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 20:34:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepi104.cox.net (fed1rmfepi104.cox.net [68.230.241.135]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DBB743066 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 19:10:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131207015033.OGFN3323.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 20:50:33 -0500 Received: from laptop ([68.229.224.237]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id yRqW1m00i57wa9801RqXo7; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 20:50:32 -0500 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=hUTgElymvcUA:10 a=LLQzF3UUNPzPskZsqRMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=dxP5W8CXJDHgBN2O7c8A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=awtiger@cox.net From: "Andy Walker" To: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 19:50:23 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac7y7Zi9QjPcqwoBQCGXnO7yqoL8sA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Bell housing question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Guys: I'm contemplating putting a 260 back in my Tiger rather than the 289 that's in the car right now. Here's the rub, though. The 260 I have is clearly a 5-bolt block, which I'm guessing all 260s were, but the 289 in the car is a 6-bolt block. Obviously, I'm going to have to change the bell housing over to a 5-bolt unit. Now, if I do that, will my transmission bolt up to it or not? Can I use my 289 flywheel on the 260? Also, are clutch sizes different between the two engines? By the way, the 260 came out of an automatic '64 Fairlane, if it makes any difference. I'm all ears, guys.I've never had to mess with something like this before. Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 08:40:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B439A40382 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 08:40:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8084430A1 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 08:11:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rB7F7mi6028305; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 07:09:02 -0800 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d1a6a209) id dm0225.528310f5.2cda73; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 07:08:59 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.177.84]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:09:00 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Andy Walker'" , Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:08:54 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7y7Zi9QjPcqwoBQCGXnO7yqoL8sAAbEXcg engine=2.50.10432:5.11.72,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-12-07_01:2013-12-06,2013-12-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1312070095 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bell housing question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Andy According to the Parts List both the 260 and 289 engine uses the same starter ring gear part number but it lists a different part numbers for the flywheel This seems to indicate that you can use the flywheel and clutch parts but as with any engine change you need to go through the parts you have to make sure they are compatible with each other. You will need a 5 bolt bellhousing cover plate and pilot bearing. I would think the transmission should bolt right up but again that depends on the parts you have. I would recommend going through the casting numbers on the 64 engine just so you know what you have. My guess is that the 260 block is a C4OE -6015E casting. Yes, all 260 blocks are 5 bolt. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andy Walker Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 8:50 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Bell housing question Guys: I'm contemplating putting a 260 back in my Tiger rather than the 289 that's in the car right now. Here's the rub, though. The 260 I have is clearly a 5-bolt block, which I'm guessing all 260s were, but the 289 in the car is a 6-bolt block. Obviously, I'm going to have to change the bell housing over to a 5-bolt unit. Now, if I do that, will my transmission bolt up to it or not? Can I use my 289 flywheel on the 260? Also, are clutch sizes different between the two engines? By the way, the 260 came out of an automatic '64 Fairlane, if it makes any difference. I'm all ears, guys.I've never had to mess with something like this before. Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6896 - Release Date: 12/06/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 10:10:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB48F43030 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:10:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bosmailout16.eigbox.net (bosmailout16.eigbox.net [66.96.186.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79D640401; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 09:26:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from bosmailscan21.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.21]) by bosmailout16.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1VpKfb-0006sH-6y; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 11:23:55 -0500 Received: from bosimpout04.eigbox.net ([10.20.55.4]) by bosmailscan21.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1VpKfY-00033R-3p; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 11:23:52 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp14.eigbox.net ([10.20.18.14]) by bosimpout04.eigbox.net with NO UCE id ygPs1m00J0JCtq201gPsWQ; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 11:23:53 -0500 a=tMK9iinponzxkr7Ra8a0mw==:17 a=OPgJcfM40kIA:10 a=jcdYy1G9iFUA:10 a=Qu8qtq54jQwA:10 a=kEh8VdYBrxAA:10 a=7cSlj-FvRxEA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=Or_tTDS8AAAA:8 a=F359hKI_Kb4A:10 a=Clg_j02jnu4QgOCQcNIA:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=AnsiuLKgxXFeB68GILQVjQ==:117 Received: from [67.202.157.146] (port=3086 helo=[192.168.1.142]) by bosauthsmtp14.eigbox.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim) id 1VpKfY-0002zO-MU; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 11:23:52 -0500 Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 08:23:45 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: LSR , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] While I am between parts and weather... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have been dangerously thinking again. run for the hills, now, before it is too late! Well, ok, I am building a dyno set up for my own personal fun and use on motors I put together. I have been looking at electronic throttle controllers but admittedly, I am pretty ignorant on the technology. I now use a long Morse cable to twiddle the throttle but I'd like something that might be more amenable to using software for control. So, the question. I am guessing that most are fairly simple in concept, that a pedal moves a pot of some sort which has a module which controls voltage level into a servo motor control output which rotates the throttle shaft. At least, that's how I would tackle it. I think that because I would want to use this on more than one kind of throttle set up that the servo portion should be, at least, removable and be capable of having some sort of lever attached with a link to a regular throttle shaft. That would permit use on multiple kinds of throttles with only some kind of attaching bracketry. So the basic question is: what's out there for selection at the pick a part places? What should I be looking for for something to play with? Any partiucular brand that works better than others? I think that I would need to get the gas pedal assy with any electronic pieces, harness and cabling, and a servo motor/throttle body set up all from the same donor. I am guessing that the simplest of systems would be best, something without control inputs being required from the car/truck main brain box in order to function. While I have no plans for utilization of a system like this on the Sunbeam LSR car, it seems that these would be almost made to order for the special construction class cars and maybe even some of the door cars as well. Would there be issues with using something to return the throttle to closed blade position if something breaks or goes south or does a servo used in an application like this do that automatically? Listening for thoughts and ideas for my dyno application... like I said would be nice it it was a simple pot type control voltage to a module that converts to a drive output for the servo. I have software that can generate an automatic input for a dyno ramp up and down pretty easily... hanging around in the cold, in the wind, without the next parts for the Tiger refurb, waiting on football... larry -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 10:47:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D8043123 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:47:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f46.google.com (mail-pb0-f46.google.com [209.85.160.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0B443092; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:24:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id md12so2852787pbc.33 for ; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 09:22:18 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=42ZBiw1aG348BAdiarDI3W3R29VRwT6gDq3DBK7T/gI=; b=y391E7RQpg6Tw4GRn7htEcMbuoizmFtBTM48p/l/xIsVBEKMb9xonEjo2kOwzXU6dA hZ6K9L898UVvrVC81q5Rm9r4kjUnTzKAz2/jvqvrvdBbFGtmzObOhS4u3F12H7H0QQ7/ oy0TaBTHMVIUhBbMg4YL698uHEO4DWCKeSkg5I1e4/20NOmm0WLHehZHOvlsrzjK/+Id IS6cz+Nr4Uj0cdCGDByxC3Bei26STAoMgqCcY50h16K6Ls8/l/1k9cUxJtOwcT6vQOw2 0JtW8kwQm12tJePXAgYGgLb4usibq8XsJ9A/UtGtVul+pP/fnPDu52ky4faO6fbfsdIu SAmw== tt1mr11244272pbc.64.1386436938684; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 09:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.123.34 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 09:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.123.34 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 09:22:18 -0800 (PST) References: <52A34B91.9010907@mayfco.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 12:22:18 -0500 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: "" Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] While I am between parts and weather... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have no idea to be honest, my first inclination would have been to use a throttle controller from a boat with a control panel desk mount versus a foot pedal. Having said that, most new cars are throttle by wire, perhaps you could repurpose one from a salvage yard, if not in whole then in pieces. Thirdly, you might explore those used in R/C cars, planes, essentially a radio controller servo that pushes a plunger attached to the throttle, shouldn't take much to ramp that up and possibly have the advantage of wireless control via a standard commercially available R/C controller. Michael Shortt On Dec 7, 2013 12:12 PM, "Larry Mayfield" wrote: > I have been dangerously thinking again. run for the hills, now, before it > is too late! > > Well, ok, I am building a dyno set up for my own personal fun and use on > motors I put together. I have been looking at electronic throttle > controllers but admittedly, I am pretty ignorant on the technology. I now > use a long Morse cable to twiddle the throttle but I'd like something that > might be more amenable to using software for control. So, the question. I > am guessing that most are fairly simple in concept, that a pedal moves a > pot of some sort which has a module which controls voltage level into a > servo motor control output which rotates the throttle shaft. At least, > that's how I would tackle it. I think that because I would want to use this > on more than one kind of throttle set up that the servo portion should be, > at least, removable and be capable of having some sort of lever attached > with a link to a regular throttle shaft. That would permit use on multiple > kinds of throttles with only some kind of attaching bracketry. So the > basic question is: what's out there for selection at the pick a part > places? What should I be looking for for something to play with? Any > partiucular brand that works better than others? I think that I would need > to get the gas pedal assy with any electronic pieces, harness and cabling, > and a servo motor/throttle body set up all from the same donor. I am > guessing that the simplest of systems would be best, something without > control inputs being required from the car/truck main brain box in order to > function. > > While I have no plans for utilization of a system like this on the Sunbeam > LSR car, it seems that these would be almost made to order for the special > construction class cars and maybe even some of the door cars as well. > Would there be issues with using something to return the throttle to > closed blade position if something breaks or goes south or does a servo > used in an application like this do that automatically? > > Listening for thoughts and ideas for my dyno application... like I said > would be nice it it was a simple pot type control voltage to a module that > converts to a drive output for the servo. I have software that can generate > an automatic input for a dyno ramp up and down pretty easily... > > hanging around in the cold, in the wind, without the next parts for the > Tiger refurb, waiting on football... > > larry > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@ > michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 11:27:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93EC142FE6 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 11:27:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f41.google.com (mail-qe0-f41.google.com [209.85.128.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7793B40382 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:25:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f41.google.com with SMTP id gh4so1569507qeb.28 for ; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 09:23:16 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=XPpwFew3YbKwXtE4k0rLlB3/hlJcP9y3JY2oBXaO1CE=; b=Y+aGBXDCy2dDhGL3Rf9tVZp9xq4LShnEHBk4XJFPnZOzu1cA4oQ7P89NpXgaePoY9Q OoMU6X+pOuunk31Gna7mhDw/ZXcVASoE9M1cyhZDpsndg2L4M4PgaO9ICubZxbDsqBcp e2O/dTnXJc1Bqm+qOulxNdrmoIYMLUhU7zzInsQjLc4mAr4Z7qlUyubk6YT35U4SDDNT l6RYpOyGSVW8DzrlqlAv7Bh/5S1qOaBejx2fKxw3kXe3HJObodhFBkpb7PuQRrqV0On3 /cyGFp53AGNVlrWvU4O1wEKoQ1F4U9KabDXzItN334XlywRvbGO1tAy+38tnazMPwghD wstg== y10mr18227837qev.56.1386436996712; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 09:23:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.46.130 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 09:23:16 -0800 (PST) References: <000101cef2ee$b2c9f040$185dd0c0$@cox.net> <459E3CA8CA174A70A0A2DB1D65E19BD5@ronpc1> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 12:23:16 -0500 From: Jeffery Randall To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bell housing question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net You'll need to check the crankshaft to see that it's drilled for use with a pilot bushing . Aside from that everything should bolt right together. Jeff On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Andy > According to the Parts List both the 260 and 289 engine uses the > same starter ring gear part number but it lists a different part numbers > for > the flywheel > > This seems to indicate that you can use the flywheel and clutch > parts but as with any engine change you need to go through the parts you > have to make sure they are compatible with each other. > > You will need a 5 bolt bellhousing cover plate and pilot bearing. > > I would think the transmission should bolt right up but again that depends > on the parts you have. > > I would recommend going through the casting numbers on the 64 engine just > so > you know what you have. > > My guess is that the 260 block is a C4OE -6015E casting. > Yes, all 260 blocks are 5 bolt. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Andy Walker > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 8:50 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Bell housing question > > > Guys: > > > > I'm contemplating putting a 260 back in my Tiger rather than the 289 that's > in the car right now. Here's the rub, though. The 260 I have is clearly a > 5-bolt block, which I'm guessing all 260s were, but the 289 in the car is a > 6-bolt block. Obviously, I'm going to have to change the bell housing over > to a 5-bolt unit. Now, if I do that, will my transmission bolt up to it or > not? Can I use my 289 flywheel on the 260? Also, are clutch sizes > different between the two engines? By the way, the 260 came out of an > automatic '64 Fairlane, if it makes any difference. > > > > I'm all ears, guys.I've never had to mess with something like this before. > > > > Thanks, > > Andy Walker > > Edmond, OK > > B382001600LRXFE > > TAC #740 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6896 - Release Date: 12/06/13 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 11:30:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAEE9430FF for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 11:30:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9640142EEA for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:35:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ygvu1m0051vN32cADhYecf; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 17:32:38 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yhYd1m00d2xZMJ48ihYdro; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 17:32:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 17:32:37 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Andy Walker s=q20121106; t=1386437558; bh=zDhORGaqZmBM7PUcqlJvq/lC1jep+0MMzbjthc1AHeo=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=KIRTQ8+CnFpWN1iytep/IM5BCZsyhtMFwfs73sp4gxL9ZoVB7/ABapfkRbrDWsURB UoKpteBZTFIPNAVEHh4LEwbhMjmWZs7NVjcNfKZh7aoxlO5MRsKfA/qwmTBA6Zu4rz ljYDFrFdgrCq0WnD4EUIZafGL5sjBFG9IyqQkL5TQMyZJnQW9nxdHP7jKgndijNWdZ S6gjd5Dl1QbiVQl6IpTcKwSvmRXwof6F+SR8k8utysGrrYSBFgFiDcwt0Rak6Do2kk y+JEk71xD2CBMsgx/M64agjoAq9azd59+lW2Mo1U/gmRkoUd9DqW8Dg1bLeAoIOsTh n5K7Mf7Z4Y/NA== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bell housing question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net One of the issues is the trans that you have. Is it a narrow eared box like the original trans, or is it a wide eared box that has two sets of mounting hole patterns? If it does not have the narrow box hole pattern, it will not bolt up to the original 260 bell housing. At least without modification (appropriate mounting holes drilled). Also, the later trans bell housings for a 6 bolt block have a slightly larger hole for the trans input shaft bearing retainer to go with the trans that were used. So if you use an original 5 bolt bell housing, you probably will have to change the bearing retainer housing on the trans, or machine out the hole in the bell housing. Most people have gone the other way, converting from a 260 to a 289. There were some excellent articles on all that was involved in the CAT Tiger Tales newsletters in the not too distant past. All the info would apply to going the other way, of course. I recommend geting ahold of those issues if you can. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Walker" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, December 6, 2013 7:50:23 PM Subject: [Tigers] Bell housing question Guys: I'm contemplating putting a 260 back in my Tiger rather than the 289 that's in the car right now. Here's the rub, though. The 260 I have is clearly a 5-bolt block, which I'm guessing all 260s were, but the 289 in the car is a 6-bolt block. Obviously, I'm going to have to change the bell housing over to a 5-bolt unit. Now, if I do that, will my transmission bolt up to it or not? Can I use my 289 flywheel on the 260? Also, are clutch sizes different between the two engines? By the way, the 260 came out of an automatic '64 Fairlane, if it makes any difference. I'm all ears, guys.I've never had to mess with something like this before. Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 11:41:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C38243205 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 11:41:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07AD43108 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:46:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rB7HfQ5X032638; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 09:43:24 -0800 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d1a6a207) id dm0224.528310f8.2c7fd4; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 09:43:10 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.178.146]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 17:43:13 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jeffery Randall'" Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 12:42:50 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7zcQTvEq41hMvYTmqjy/9VsE2nywAAYQwg engine=2.50.10432:5.11.72,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-12-07_02:2013-12-06,2013-12-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1312070128 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bell housing question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jeff I believe all crankshafts are machined for a pilot bearing; this makes it very easy for the production line to assemble to either configuration. You are also correct that it should be checked just in case a previous owner messed things up or swapped in non stock, unknown parts. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Jeffery Randall [mailto:jefferyrandall@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 12:23 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: Andy Walker; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bell housing question You'll need to check the crankshaft to see that it's drilled for use with a pilot bushing . Aside from that everything should bolt right together. Jeff On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: Andy According to the Parts List both the 260 and 289 engine uses the same starter ring gear part number but it lists a different part numbers for the flywheel This seems to indicate that you can use the flywheel and clutch parts but as with any engine change you need to go through the parts you have to make sure they are compatible with each other. You will need a 5 bolt bellhousing cover plate and pilot bearing. I would think the transmission should bolt right up but again that depends on the parts you have. I would recommend going through the casting numbers on the 64 engine just so you know what you have. My guess is that the 260 block is a C4OE -6015E casting. Yes, all 260 blocks are 5 bolt. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andy Walker Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 8:50 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Bell housing question Guys: I'm contemplating putting a 260 back in my Tiger rather than the 289 that's in the car right now. Here's the rub, though. The 260 I have is clearly a 5-bolt block, which I'm guessing all 260s were, but the 289 in the car is a 6-bolt block. Obviously, I'm going to have to change the bell housing over to a 5-bolt unit. Now, if I do that, will my transmission bolt up to it or not? Can I use my 289 flywheel on the 260? Also, are clutch sizes different between the two engines? By the way, the 260 came out of an automatic '64 Fairlane, if it makes any difference. I'm all ears, guys.I've never had to mess with something like this before. Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6896 - Release Date: 12/06/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 12:42:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA574321C for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 12:42:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BCD40535 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 12:08:52 -0700 (MST) a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:17 a=eWhS8cdA148A:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=253cKie21zsA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=tmKnJrUmOyIA:10 a=8ELk3f90lYa_IIbC9iAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:117 Received: from [72.224.119.118] ([72.224.119.118:61217] helo=[192.168.1.140]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 21/17-20497-BA173A25; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 19:06:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 14:06:17 -0500 From: Tod Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Andy Walker" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Swap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Andy: Not that it probably matters in your situation but there are bell-housings around that will bolt up to both the 5-bolt and 6-bolt blocks (they have two sets of mounting holes). They show up occasionally on eBay. Many years ago, my original bell housing fractured where the clutch arm enters, so I replaced my bell housing with one with the dual pattern, anticipating that I might, somewhere down the road, want to use a later block. That never happened, but it's still in there. Tod B382002384LRXFE TAC 864 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 12:44:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96DE43569 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 12:44:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.ufl.edu (smtp-prod03.osg.ufl.edu [128.227.74.219]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBBC42F8D for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 12:09:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from UFEXCH-CASHT01.ad.ufl.edu ([10.241.106.145]) by smtp.ufl.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/3.0.0) with ESMTP id rB7J6cc4002533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:06:38 -0500 Received: from AHC-CAS03.ad.ufl.edu (10.18.251.62) by UFEXCH-CASHT01.ad.ufl.edu (10.241.106.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:06:37 -0500 Received: from AHC-MB04.ad.ufl.edu ([fe80::9cf9:a9b0:5cb2:e988]) by AHC-CAS03.ad.ufl.edu ([fe80::81a5:7597:6177:53cb%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:06:37 -0500 From: "Bates,Robert E Jr" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: Tiger passenger footrest Thread-Index: Ac7zfzZX8QQa7r9nRVOu9pxRSacY7A== Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 19:06:37 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.253.27.147] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.3176-7.000.1014-20344.001 x-tm-as-result: No--42.170800-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No engine=2.50.10432:5.11.72,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-12-07_02:2013-12-06,2013-12-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=5 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1312070149 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger passenger footrest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Guys: I'm finishing the restoration on my '66 Tiger and I need to find a passenger footrest. Anyone have an extra for sale? Or know of a source? My car did not have a footrest when I got it, so I don't even have a pattern. So even a photo would help. Any help appreciated. Thanks. Bob Bates _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 13:36:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC8D43140 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 13:36:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C0C42EF8 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 12:25:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8F463700308C7 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqb003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.212.201]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 36618E000082 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:22:47 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:22:47 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1386444167; bh=HVb1Y+LaYhSeEKF65ubMBHvLhyoAI9MuWOMP2dKWxnc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=R157he5PyKuOGQbIxBDgdhQd7NXOByfyqsgPV3LudEgWVGGVqvAJ8om7ivDuLDeU0 X7EmDUJ8wLcwny9E/RffKxBE5bwf/mkTrkCoL05SBbd3Q1P/LEKK0LWxegDgWX7ACm 6Uj5DyOInKyLhGlmHO7vtpX+4bop3457J1/0Hgik= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c952a375876605 Subject: [Tigers] ScotchBrite Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, What color ScotchBrite will NOT scratch glass, guys ? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE TAC 0763 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 14:59:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7270E43027 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:59:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cmta9.telus.net (cmta9.telus.net [209.171.16.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2ED742B12 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 13:11:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from JimPC ([64.180.202.97]) by cmta9.telus.net with TELUS id yk8c1m00D26biso01k8cc1; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 13:08:37 -0700 a=XGpgU1NhXoD5BHGiwmP3cg==:17 a=kg4CHXgqtSEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dyTapXDjAAAA:8 a=vVOjYpLXw8sA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=oA-dzLGACYWMYe8BVMAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=gBw44Nox7VgA:10 a=XGpgU1NhXoD5BHGiwmP3cg==:117 From: "jim" To: "'Tod Brown'" , , "'Andy Walker'" References: <52A371A9.4040107@roadrunner.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 12:07:25 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7zg/P8TCMICxPYTqypM9XafpaOjQAA4+Lw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Swap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I thought the dual pattern bell housings referred to the trans end where there are both wide and narrow bolt patterns for the early/late toploader... A friend of mine has one...and it will only fit a 6 bolt block Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tod Brown Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 11:06 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net; Andy Walker Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Swap Andy: Not that it probably matters in your situation but there are bell-housings around that will bolt up to both the 5-bolt and 6-bolt blocks (they have two sets of mounting holes). They show up occasionally on eBay. Many years ago, my original bell housing fractured where the clutch arm enters, so I replaced my bell housing with one with the dual pattern, anticipating that I might, somewhere down the road, want to use a later block. That never happened, but it's still in there. Tod B382002384LRXFE TAC 864 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim@island.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6895 - Release Date: 12/05/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 15:09:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31564309D for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 15:09:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C5940548 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 13:26:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id gq1so2220633obb.3 for ; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:23:42 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=RM5AcN7x8m78bCvtHFcX58OdOkL7Im3zyhVGYRB0u1c=; b=EXXUO8IJL3XGP9un52aSzNIGzpdUppoitPrRkHtjDmFgi9LmKBxQfXKKjxbz15ASlu 5yfNw5+KSz2QWJuhinGKLEm9UwPbyjXqYSqRvLlK5P9IrfAxn+EmFHPL8yJlJ7IkXWZP 8o8CjZAXYA0o7+d6lrpq0kQno4rAV/3FcoectJ9tiYhBWdG51zoHscZyWRxWHNw4gKUp uW62MZxso072UPe1eb7aCSjG6QzuA99REtldu61q/vXtQfZvPOSe+OESShXreWkw6r72 k5pSkNU4kl/OXqk5MKF640rWXBeZ1ZgQ/4YkgP3QKqxArzh9rpAZAZba8CdiilOmsKxa c33Q== y3mr1527426obg.55.1386447350011; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:15:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([8.28.240.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id yv10sm5680102obb.12.2013.12.07.12.15.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:15:49 -0800 (PST) References: From: Cullen1972 Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:15:48 -0600 To: "Bates,Robert E Jr" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger passenger footrest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Is that the same part as a "False floor"? Also are they the same on the Alpines? If so, I have an extra I think. Cullen LROFE TAC 840 Sent from my iPhone. > On Dec 7, 2013, at 1:06 PM, "Bates,Robert E Jr" wrote: > > Hi Guys: I'm finishing the restoration on my '66 Tiger and I need to find a > passenger footrest. Anyone have an extra for sale? Or know of a source? > > > > My car did not have a footrest when I got it, so I don't even have a pattern. > So even a photo would help. > > > > Any help appreciated. Thanks. > > > > Bob Bates > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 16:04:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C1442FD4 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:04:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f177.google.com (mail-pd0-f177.google.com [209.85.192.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA44403DF for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 13:53:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f177.google.com with SMTP id q10so2866038pdj.8 for ; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:50:33 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=FQcaLUgplS8G2dYr3K1pcTmrKSWZQocGQcj0PC4S97g=; b=bdOFCfHBJ4a0dANH0iOYnUUFF0xDUYSa/o61tsntpkI2jrnxPMNide4XUnb4LkFev3 F9Kp6VeJs6KrAxeHerEuI0bctYbsULe/Oga9lKLhChDHiVq3s/PBD1YIwN+j61CCekL4 a/wgKlcXfsiwvIsWnyYPK+xV3Pio7MOMKnnuoUCtWP5xFGI3MHGSAP5UaFxIBD3YVxZf 26XtqRQTawPZKf/xKQpiqJ+aiYh+qFBOa+1gW/FITyXSsY1WHyEEtuRIo7M/4CwW8kCu DUs/WzNu1r1otj8R5F/kBwaWRNFC/RrCduvmArKNQLlBXrntZl6HtYHaNJkXQdJV/gsN fUrA== nl3mr11962174pbc.25.1386449105508; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:45:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.123.34 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 12:45:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.123.34 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 12:45:05 -0800 (PST) References: <7514c.6f5700cd.3fd4cf8a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 15:45:05 -0500 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: Rollright@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] ScotchBrite Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Try the kind designed to clean ceramic / glass cooktops. Sold in grocery stores. Michael Shortt On Dec 7, 2013 3:34 PM, wrote: > Hello, > > What color ScotchBrite will NOT scratch glass, guys ? > > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > TAC 0763 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 16:10:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704394313E for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:10:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADB142F16 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C92C77000008D; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mlb002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.144]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8C39BE000087; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:12:44 -0500 (EST) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:12:44 -0500 (EST) To: genepadgett@comcast.net, awtiger@cox.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1386450764; bh=xJsYl/xASmIn6VobjpJeFihjXDMo+3jLFDd6xXFgEmI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g1MgWXilYX3Qyx5vVhus+31o2MS9HvOm3EWuh2iL+Eo+TgsbpxAiJYEQVWarwB0FJ RZoonMKyAs2tdSnSHGmOwkv40+W+9Gm+3YvdkUCAD4CENO+RQ5F87ZQfm2FANc2Agz swsh2I0pLXzMBFwDaXqC5ZiNkqWPOfyWCJ3g2U0E= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca52a38f4c7202 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bell housing question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, another consideration, for sure. To Andy, why do you want to go to a replacement 260? In a message dated 12/7/2013 10:29:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, genepadgett@comcast.net writes: One of the issues is the trans that you have. Is it a narrow eared box like the original trans, or is it a wide eared box that has two sets of mounting hole patterns? If it does not have the narrow box hole pattern, it will not bolt up to the original 260 bell housing. At least without modification (appropriate mounting holes drilled). Also, the later trans bell housings for a 6 bolt block have a slightly larger hole for the trans input shaft bearing retainer to go with the trans that were used. So if you use an original 5 bolt bell housing, you probably will have to change the bearing retainer housing on the trans, or machine out the hole in the bell housing. Most people have gone the other way, converting from a 260 to a 289. There were some excellent articles on all that was involved in the CAT Tiger Tales newsletters in the not too distant past. All the info would apply to going the other way, of course. I recommend geting ahold of those issues if you can. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Walker" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, December 6, 2013 7:50:23 PM Subject: [Tigers] Bell housing question Guys: I'm contemplating putting a 260 back in my Tiger rather than the 289 that's in the car right now. Here's the rub, though. The 260 I have is clearly a 5-bolt block, which I'm guessing all 260s were, but the 289 in the car is a 6-bolt block. Obviously, I'm going to have to change the bell housing over to a 5-bolt unit. Now, if I do that, will my transmission bolt up to it or not? Can I use my 289 flywheel on the 260? Also, are clutch sizes different between the two engines? By the way, the 260 came out of an automatic '64 Fairlane, if it makes any difference. I'm all ears, guys.I've never had to mess with something like this before. Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 17:02:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0BF43616 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 17:02:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (unknown [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0D440042 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:08:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [108.47.114.228]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MXG00MSQIOKGZ40@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 16:05:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <52A371A9.4040107@roadrunner.com> <00ca01cef387$f322ed10$d968c730$@net> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 14:05:12 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Swap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net There is this scattershield on Ebay. It is obviously a narrow/wide trans pattern. On the engine side it has a boatload of bolt holes. Maybe someone can identify if it is both 5/6 bolt pattern. Which brings me to ask, where is the "extra" bolt hole anyway? - Tom http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-LAKEWOOD-289-302-351-BLOW-PROOF-BELL-HOUSING-3-4-SPEED-MANUAL-TRANS-/390714498729?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5af8661ea9&vxp=mtr ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim" To: "'Tod Brown'" ; ; "'Andy Walker'" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Swap >I thought the dual pattern bell housings referred to the trans end where > there are both wide and narrow bolt patterns for the early/late > toploader... > > > A friend of mine has one...and it will only fit a 6 bolt block > > > Jim > B382000446 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 17:07:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0BA43649 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 17:07:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (unknown [98.138.229.27]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C2A943052 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:17:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2013 23:14:26 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2013 23:11:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.143] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2013 23:11:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.208] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2013 23:11:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2013 23:11:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 73851 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2013 23:11:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1386457889; bh=Z9psKHcdScBjYfEqFaqupLsVR1ZZKIWmtAvsbF2smN8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DOqn6886zBBnKmm/bmJ33DK0Fvqoc3NAvZhT2Bd4NouPglQyIA1B7VufyAxaE8IcNPLeHLGemLEp0rOM+OCFA/12QcDWgoByWKEj/+jNK8HNWZ8auyT7LoByk2d687ZQQML/r7/9+DAYXqkTMWSdGYIhWzTNLfhD0YePcFmHNqM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=if2ifw5gYpVrVl4OoKYd0g3yrDtrpVfvN4+bJBjNDjF0zNzRuQXxLM4NheEihQJkZ4ufXplNzuty8r1lDzKWDD7TIxWHw/t4Y6Kim7IMse4bYXdEGgRfOAAqxnbS7BKdqKoBwHaLmnnAS1LRWA5iV8Jyf1KKJ44GfWT243Q/nOc=; Ly6qmZJs2ilPgxcWaEt3udooNVq2kmQ1XZOh6V3x3 Received: from [72.29.162.82] by web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:11:29 PST SmltCgpIZXJlJ3MgYSByZS1wb3N0IG9mIGEgbWVzc2FnZSBmcm9tIDIwMTIuIEknbSBub3QgYXdhcmUgb2YgYW55b25lIHJlc3BvbmRpbmcgd2l0aCBhZGRpdGlvbmFsIFNjb3RjaCBwYWQgY29sb3JzLiAKCgoiVGhlIHBhZHMgb2YgZGlmZmVyZW50IApjb2xvcnMgYXJlIG9mIGRpZmZlcmVudCBoYXJkbmVzcy4gR3JlZW4gd2lsbCBtb3N0IGRlZmluaXRlbHkgc2NyYXRjaCAKZ2xhc3MuIEdlbmVyYWxseSwgd2hpdGUgd2lsbCBub3Qgc2NyYXRjaCBnbGFzcyBhbmQgY2FuIGJlIHNhZmVseSB1c2VkIG9uIHNob3cBMAEBAQE- References: <7514c.6f5700cd.3fd4cf8a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 15:11:29 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Packer To: "Rollright@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] ScotchBrite Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jim Here's a re-post of a message from 2012. I'm not aware of anyone responding with additional Scotch pad colors. "The pads of different colors are of different hardness. Green will most definitely scratch glass. Generally, white will not scratch glass and can be safely used on shower walls, etc. There are also at least a maroon and a grey generally found at auto supply stores which are suitable for working out scratches in stainless steel which has a visible "grain". I have used white successfully on a glass shower wall and the gray and maroon worked wonders to restore a stainless kitchen exhaust hood someone had previously marred by applying an abrasive cleaner in a circular motion. However, gray and maroon will scratch or cloud stainless with only a plain smooth finish. Terry Packer 9470018 ________________________________ From: "Rollright@aol.com" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 11:22 AM Subject: [Tigers] ScotchBrite Hello, What color ScotchBrite will NOT scratch glass, guys ? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE TAC 0763 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/packertl3@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 18:07:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787D443517 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 18:07:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cmta8.telus.net (cmta8.telus.net [209.171.16.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580DC403EF for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 17:15:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from JimPC ([64.180.202.97]) by cmta8.telus.net with TELUS id yoAL1m00326biso01oAL1n; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 17:10:21 -0700 a=XGpgU1NhXoD5BHGiwmP3cg==:17 a=kg4CHXgqtSEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dyTapXDjAAAA:8 a=vVOjYpLXw8sA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=MPtjpNrbAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=hINThh0XMD3MrPH27KoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=8VpxkgLVVlEA:10 a=gBw44Nox7VgA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=XGpgU1NhXoD5BHGiwmP3cg==:117 From: "jim" To: "'Thomas Witt'" , References: <52A371A9.4040107@roadrunner.com> <00ca01cef387$f322ed10$d968c730$@net> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:09:49 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7zqUJwvxXVjtDGRrS3lr+LaW/9NAAAFbLA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Swap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It's more than just an 'extra' hole... http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/classic-tech/84248d1259105 111-289-5-bolt-bell-housing-block.jpg Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 2:05 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Swap There is this scattershield on Ebay. It is obviously a narrow/wide trans pattern. On the engine side it has a boatload of bolt holes. Maybe someone can identify if it is both 5/6 bolt pattern. Which brings me to ask, where is the "extra" bolt hole anyway? - Tom http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-LAKEWOOD-289-302-351-BLOW-PROOF-BELL-HOUSING-3- 4-SPEED-MANUAL-TRANS-/390714498729?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&ha sh=item5af8661ea9&vxp=mtr ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim" To: "'Tod Brown'" ; ; "'Andy Walker'" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Swap >I thought the dual pattern bell housings referred to the trans end >where there are both wide and narrow bolt patterns for the early/late >toploader... > > > A friend of mine has one...and it will only fit a 6 bolt block > > > Jim > B382000446 _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 19:11:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196CD43222 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 19:11:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9004D43226 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 18:16:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004959.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rB81Bvct014730; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 17:12:17 -0800 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 401894a5) id dm0213.52831111.2ded66; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 17:12:14 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Cullen1972'" , "'Bates,Robert E Jr'" Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 20:12:11 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7zmIrTQMxDioGlQp2dubBJXrX4NAAF/9kg engine=2.50.10432:5.11.72,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-12-07_03:2013-12-06,2013-12-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1312070238 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger passenger footrest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Robert and Cullen I don't believe the Alpine footrest is the same as the Tiger but it might be possible to make an Alpine part into the Tiger footrest. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen1972 Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 3:16 PM To: Bates,Robert E Jr Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger passenger footrest Is that the same part as a "False floor"? Also are they the same on the Alpines? If so, I have an extra I think. Cullen LROFE TAC 840 Sent from my iPhone. > On Dec 7, 2013, at 1:06 PM, "Bates,Robert E Jr" > wrote: > > Hi Guys: I'm finishing the restoration on my '66 Tiger and I need to > find a > passenger footrest. Anyone have an extra for sale? Or know of a > source? > > > > My car did not have a footrest when I got it, so I don't even have a pattern. > So even a photo would help. > > > > Any help appreciated. Thanks. > > > > Bob Bates > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6896 - Release Date: 12/06/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 20:21:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5A14310C for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 20:21:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cmta9.telus.net (cmta9.telus.net [209.171.16.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF64743062 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 18:21:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from JimPC ([64.180.202.97]) by cmta9.telus.net with TELUS id ypKE1m00426biso01pKEiN; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 18:19:15 -0700 a=XGpgU1NhXoD5BHGiwmP3cg==:17 a=kg4CHXgqtSEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dyTapXDjAAAA:8 a=vVOjYpLXw8sA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=qkeqljueRUp2unTp4P8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=gBw44Nox7VgA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=XGpgU1NhXoD5BHGiwmP3cg==:117 From: "jim" To: "'Thomas Witt'" , References: <52A371A9.4040107@roadrunner.com> <00ca01cef387$f322ed10$d968c730$@net> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 17:18:35 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7zqUJwvxXVjtDGRrS3lr+LaW/9NAAB6WfA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Swap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I forgot to mention... The Lakewood bell housing in the e-Bay ad is the same one that is in my car... It will only fit a 6 bolt block. The rear is drilled for both narrow and wide pattern trans but the center hole takes the slightly larger diameter bearing retainer that comes on the wide ratio ( later ). That retainer is available and is a bolt on to the earlier trans... A couple of issues with the Lakewood... If you ever install one, I highly recommend that you dial the trans hole for center and either get the offset dowels or the weld-on bushing kit to correct it as it will most likely be off center to the crank !! The other issue in a Tiger is that the Lakewood is not the same shape as the stock one which is more or less like a half sphere. The rear top corners of the Lakewood will contact the Tiger tunnel ! I fixed this the first time back in '75 by 'stretching' the tunnel some with a hammer :( The Tiger I have now also has a the same Lakewood and it was modified back in '82 by Rik Edwards at the Mustang ranch ( no... not THAT one ) . He cut those two corners off the bell and then welded a flat plate on each side to make the clearance ! Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 2:05 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Swap There is this scattershield on Ebay. It is obviously a narrow/wide trans pattern. On the engine side it has a boatload of bolt holes. Maybe someone can identify if it is both 5/6 bolt pattern. Which brings me to ask, where is the "extra" bolt hole anyway? - Tom http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-LAKEWOOD-289-302-351-BLOW-PROOF-BELL-HOUSING-3- 4-SPEED-MANUAL-TRANS-/390714498729?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&ha sh=item5af8661ea9&vxp=mtr ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim" To: "'Tod Brown'" ; ; "'Andy Walker'" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Swap >I thought the dual pattern bell housings referred to the trans end >where there are both wide and narrow bolt patterns for the early/late >toploader... > > > A friend of mine has one...and it will only fit a 6 bolt block > > > Jim > B382000446 _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 22:18:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25D143154 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 22:18:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from atl4mhob03.myregisteredsite.com (atl4mhob03.myregisteredsite.com [209.17.115.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0EB84301A for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 21:12:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailpod1.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.117]) by atl4mhob03.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rB849I9S002853 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 23:09:18 -0500 Received: (qmail 10698 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2013 04:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PeterPC) (peter@tcltd.pro@162.156.110.124) by 0 with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2013 04:09:18 -0000 From: "Peter Sziklai" To: , References: <7514c.6f5700cd.3fd4cf8a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 20:09:16 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7zoGJPCXa8zIT+QQyPpaEt9djtlAAKiIag Content-Language: en-us Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] ScotchBrite Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net We do cars for a living (collision repair) and we use scotch brite only for things we want to scratch, like primer and paint surfaces we will be refinishing On glass and chrome, which we want to clean without scratching we use fine steel wool. I expect that on show chrome you would not want to use steel wool, but for our purposes it has never caused a problem. Scotch brite is intended to scuff the surface and we don't use it on glass. \\---Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael@michaelshortt.com Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 12:45 PM To: Rollright@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] ScotchBrite Try the kind designed to clean ceramic / glass cooktops. Sold in grocery stores. Michael Shortt On Dec 7, 2013 3:34 PM, wrote: > Hello, > > What color ScotchBrite will NOT scratch glass, guys ? > > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > TAC 0763 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/peter@tcltd.pro _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 22:26:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C33143030 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 22:26:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f181.google.com (mail-pd0-f181.google.com [209.85.192.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F9D4301E for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 22:01:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f181.google.com with SMTP id p10so3227162pdj.26 for ; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 20:58:51 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=LteWW1bIwbIzDl1eVrUjdEDpeZBDZaREfawK5BkXMRY=; b=Tf2OJdx7tnS12XRJgjTQG15iiJt9Nj/xM0ad3zwherSoxURnqf/DQ9lvxF3WghVu5O q9foJPIXRCseSaQxUnheXr++ndctGqHUSPEJplt3n9rr8pOkxlrriMlQfp2Y1lLvOc4f Eb3+io0tg4AJ01z1BqiFNT/8Qd4n+tZ/uXlJ+5g2jkPkkAr0QTd1sKTiCqHZdlz1UiEW iCOpirFtBLqm8f7RSFsUtydk8/Zv3NjD6hYEly8tA90l6mGGpYB7T8JF5nyvSK45O69q t8SNQPJ7LPldpAjI6ul2fgs7vT7a14TtFbYY0mQvUcKBNvCMUGqyI26pdctL6lFOORxo V/Mg== tb4mr13453878pbc.108.1386478731729; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 20:58:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.130.35 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 20:58:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.130.35 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 20:58:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 23:58:51 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Regulators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net While not strictly tiger related, i have a problem I think the list may have the expertise to help with. I have an alternator that the internal regulator has failed on. Replacing the whole alternator is not such an easy choice as its $1000 (don't ask!) and there is no reason to believe the regulator would not fail again. The regulator used inside has 4 wires. One to the live wire, one to the charge light and two to the diode bridge. I happen to have a four wire Lucas regulator here that I'm hoping to use as a replacement but I don't really know how it should be wired up. The link below shows a pic of the Lucas regulator and more of the old regulator and the wiring in the alternator. Can anyone explain how it had been wired, and how the (if possible) I could use the replacement? Many thanks indeed. https://www.dropbox.com/sc/v1qrr6i0rnld4og/FgJpXtP1Qb _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 07:05:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6617943057 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 07:05:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f41.google.com (mail-qe0-f41.google.com [209.85.128.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726B943027 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 06:22:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f41.google.com with SMTP id gh4so2000083qeb.28 for ; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 05:19:50 -0800 (PST) s=google; h=message-id:from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type; bh=z9X7w7E9cIXxrlCsKKnkXft/ZpLynls1/JLucfy1DnU=; b=ONX/+FuW/zi+DLUathi79+ClvyNFxwqcC0auhoOxLJaeF0czJYeVEtRIM2cGIfrodJ eEEZfRp2Xtn8Cpg/UjYHiDmlztOoBmaagABedrAy7LxbylkqMLnQ23k1xpMZKSyVb0dl VK+rSpVPtMwnojBLVrqT2S6BFAGc3pbUr8sk8= d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to :subject:date:mime-version:content-type; bh=z9X7w7E9cIXxrlCsKKnkXft/ZpLynls1/JLucfy1DnU=; b=Ey0JP1S1j6c9Opa2UDzDrg+HKT1t1S4ym1cQuuvHtWV/U7xoGRAZUxFKbrRMJdQoHq SZHTOYb164zNt03GQcjmS7MWiiJGlCz6uhii+Vb+kLp1kvH1atPr2yRNbpWp9awSS8rG 1QiGidq3YCIX73w+YEeMNdEqFeuOWqWKKkK3pe03Uu3mEGGijtihZZ6GwLoETMCdN860 fzWQmp8EJyr3Cpb+AUEmQ3ZIxtmCgum8hxNKEsUYOMrKjZ833JOG/MPhmeuBTqTX8e8R g7H563mCiKw/TffDK1/hf5nXulm+uupc9kadA56Autw3f3Lx84+Zm8jScMbtZ2nVBrwf drNw== t10mr24925122qev.21.1386508789934; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 05:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from DavePC (DRMONS0540W-156034166041.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net. [156.34.166.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p20sm18882708qay.0.2013.12.08.05.19.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 08 Dec 2013 05:19:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Dave Munroe" To: , "'Bates,Robert E Jr'" References: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 09:19:42 -0400 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger passenger footrest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Robert: The Alpine trans tunnel is narrower than the Tiger tunnel, so the Alpine false floor is wider to fill the space. There is a shop in New England that claims the original Tiger FF was made by cutting down the Alpine FF. From looking at mine, I believe that could be true. They make Tiger false floors the same way and frequently sell them on eBay. They also re-build brake vacuum units, a-arms, body panels, etc. I have no interest other than as a satisfied customer. Here is one of their eBay listings: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sunbeam-Alpine-Tiger-others-License-Plate-Bracket-/281155909288?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item417632b6a8&vxp=mtr Contact Randy Willett at this shop. He also makes the small brackets that hold the FF to the floor. Here is a FF for sale from another seller on eBay. I am not familiar with this seller. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUNBEAM-TIGER-PASSENGER-SIDE-FALSE-FLOOR-PANEL/131057972986?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D3252511213259577981%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D131057972986%26 Good luck with your resto! Dave From: " Ron Fraser" "'Bates,Robert E Jr'" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger passenger footrest Robert and Cullen: I don't believe the Alpine footrest is the same as the Tiger but it might be possible to make an Alpine part into the Tiger footrest. Ron Fraser -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from my iPhone. On Dec 7, 2013, at 1:06 PM, "Bates,Robert E Jr" RBATES@dental.ufl.edu> wrote: Guys: I'm finishing the restoration on my '66 Tiger and I need to find a passenger footrest. Anyone have an extra for sale? Or know of a source? My car did not have a footrest when I got it, so I don't even have a pattern. So even a photo would help. Any help appreciated. Thanks. Bob Bates _______________________________________________ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of False Floor4.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of FF Firewall sideEM.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of False Floor BRKTS2.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of FF small brackets installedem.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Flor finished passsideem.jpg] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 07:36:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB7B4356C for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 07:36:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.ufl.edu (smtp-prod02.osg.ufl.edu [128.227.74.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AD34306A for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 07:11:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from UFEXCH-CASHT01.ad.ufl.edu ([10.241.106.145]) by smtp.ufl.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/3.0.0) with ESMTP id rB8Duejm014128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 8 Dec 2013 08:56:40 -0500 Received: from AHC-CAS04.ad.ufl.edu (10.18.251.64) by UFEXCH-CASHT01.ad.ufl.edu (10.241.106.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 08:56:39 -0500 Received: from AHC-MB04.ad.ufl.edu ([fe80::9cf9:a9b0:5cb2:e988]) by AHC-CAS04.ad.ufl.edu ([fe80::619d:a871:a1b7:4d8e%21]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 08:56:40 -0500 From: "Bates,Robert E Jr" To: Dave Munroe Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tiger passenger footrest Thread-Index: Ac7zfzZX8QQa7r9nRVOu9pxRSacY7AAM9CAAAApZ4IAAGWiBAP//tbDG Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 13:56:39 +0000 References: , <47BCC907AD984AB3B25341A0CDE5CE1D@DavePC> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.241.106.147] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.3176-7.000.1014-20344.007 x-tm-as-result: No--44.052700-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No engine=2.50.10432:5.11.72,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-12-07_03:2013-12-06,2013-12-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1312080076 Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger passenger footrest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dave: Thanks for the great pictures. They will be very helpful as I install carpet and finish the car. I'll contact Randy. Bob ________________________________________ From: Dave Munroe [dave@munroe.ca] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 8:19 AM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; Bates,Robert E Jr Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger passenger footrest Robert: The Alpine trans tunnel is narrower than the Tiger tunnel, so the Alpine false floor is wider to fill the space. There is a shop in New England that claims the original Tiger FF was made by cutting down the Alpine FF. From looking at mine, I believe that could be true. They make Tiger false floors the same way and frequently sell them on eBay. They also re-build brake vacuum units, a-arms, body panels, etc. I have no interest other than as a satisfied customer. Here is one of their eBay listings: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sunbeam-Alpine-Tiger-others-License-Plate-Bracket-/28 1155909288?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item417632b6a8&vxp=mtr Contact Randy Willett at this shop. He also makes the small brackets that hold the FF to the floor. Here is a FF for sale from another seller on eBay. I am not familiar with this seller. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUNBEAM-TIGER-PASSENGER-SIDE-FALSE-FLOOR-PANEL/131057 972986?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26a o%3D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D3252511213259577981%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D1011%26r k%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D131057972986%26 Good luck with your resto! Dave From: " Ron Fraser" "'Bates,Robert E Jr'" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger passenger footrest Robert and Cullen: I don't believe the Alpine footrest is the same as the Tiger but it might be possible to make an Alpine part into the Tiger footrest. Ron Fraser ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Sent from my iPhone. On Dec 7, 2013, at 1:06 PM, "Bates,Robert E Jr" RBATES@dental.ufl.edu> wrote: Guys: I'm finishing the restoration on my '66 Tiger and I need to find a passenger footrest. Anyone have an extra for sale? Or know of a source? My car did not have a footrest when I got it, so I don't even have a pattern. So even a photo would help. Any help appreciated. Thanks. Bob Bates _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 09:21:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3495430A8 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 09:21:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA99B40533 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 08:36:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rB8FWuWT026441; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 07:34:14 -0800 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b173) id sj1-dm103.5283113a.2e793e; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 07:34:13 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 10:34:07 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7z1aAa+mk+TtIyQGyA7JroTHnv3AAU7WQg engine=2.50.10432:5.11.72,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-12-07_03:2013-12-06,2013-12-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1312080096 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Regulators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Owain I would suggest you try to find someone who can rebuild that alternator. I have done that with several and it generally costs less than $100. Maybe there is a better fix for that internal regulator that comes with a rebuild. Sometimes you can find kits to rebuild alternators that have all the parts you need. I'm not the electrical guy but I believe that regulator has to have similar amperage capacity as the alternator output otherwise they will burn each other out. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 11:59 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Regulators While not strictly tiger related, i have a problem I think the list may have the expertise to help with. I have an alternator that the internal regulator has failed on. Replacing the whole alternator is not such an easy choice as its $1000 (don't ask!) and there is no reason to believe the regulator would not fail again. The regulator used inside has 4 wires. One to the live wire, one to the charge light and two to the diode bridge. I happen to have a four wire Lucas regulator here that I'm hoping to use as a replacement but I don't really know how it should be wired up. The link below shows a pic of the Lucas regulator and more of the old regulator and the wiring in the alternator. Can anyone explain how it had been wired, and how the (if possible) I could use the replacement? Many thanks indeed. https://www.dropbox.com/sc/v1qrr6i0rnld4og/FgJpXtP1Qb _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 11:59:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4134323D for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 11:59:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mf3.webound.com (mf3.webound.com [216.106.62.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717FB40535 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 09:49:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from RedBudAdminPC (unknown [199.187.162.108]) by mf3.webound.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D32408E0; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 10:45:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim McLaughlin" To: , References: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 10:45:04 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac7z1aMVmAEhgTk7S+SnP32FUsBigAAXvsag Subject: Re: [Tigers] Regulators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Owain, I am not sure how electronically handy you are, however most alternators with internal regulators can be rebuilt either entirely or partially. Auto Parts house should be able to advise on the availability of complete kits or just the regulator. Next you can decide, based upon failure rates or vehicle miles how much of a rebuild you can or should perform. I have rebuilt many alternators from Ford to Toyota, it can be done. Absent this you can find the local person in your area that still rebuilds or rewinds electric motors and ask him to see if he would do it. Before any of this check on the potential life after rebuild that you should expect. If you intend to keep the vehicle, you will be ahead by knowing exactly what you did to the alternator to make it good again. Also look in the internet for tips on rebuilding your type of alternator, you will find others that have come before you and succeeded. Finally, $1000 is quite pricey for an alternator. Used parts recyclers usually can provide a low mileage take off for about half the price, normally with a warranty. Jim McLaughlin B382000175 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 10:59 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Regulators While not strictly tiger related, i have a problem I think the list may have the expertise to help with. I have an alternator that the internal regulator has failed on. Replacing the whole alternator is not such an easy choice as its $1000 (don't ask!) and there is no reason to believe the regulator would not fail again. The regulator used inside has 4 wires. One to the live wire, one to the charge light and two to the diode bridge. I happen to have a four wire Lucas regulator here that I'm hoping to use as a replacement but I don't really know how it should be wired up. The link below shows a pic of the Lucas regulator and more of the old regulator and the wiring in the alternator. Can anyone explain how it had been wired, and how the (if possible) I could use the replacement? Many thanks indeed. https://www.dropbox.com/sc/v1qrr6i0rnld4og/FgJpXtP1Qb _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimmc13@socket.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 12:02:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C866B430E6 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 12:02:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DB54044C for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 10:07:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.132]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id F14577000008C; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 11:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.6] (unknown [173.169.123.125]) by mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id CA002E0000AE; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 11:56:18 -0500 (EST) References: <4B4DA19693D54E4182068CB3711A680F@ronpc1> From: Steve Halbrook Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 11:56:18 -0500 To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1386521779; bh=0VSKbjzKcM/bkNWHqM5SN3WGQbPwInBCR2ihzVSdq+A=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=k/Rj/PEOTuaL6zHkMlP/l1Y0nxkcFHqc2LdieavMO3A5XgzXr5fRK1bxs/JwCVMN1 zayzZaKQdjMlaHP9qBEM+I+0nB1/2+Y3L/n6Gwymqqo2t31SCVdM7f9SqXMUuNZEQY EIYGZpAShAy6pGq+vR7HB+McVcbjMups6AWqDLyE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338452a4a4b22460 Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Regulators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Owain: I don't know where you are located but in Brandon Florida there is a shop that rebuilds generators, alternators and water pumps . I have done business with them for 15 years with no issues. Steve Halbrook Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 8, 2013, at 10:34 AM, " Ron Fraser" wrote: > > Owain > I would suggest you try to find someone who can rebuild that > alternator. I have done that with several and it generally costs less than > $100. Maybe there is a better fix for that internal regulator that comes > with a rebuild. > > Sometimes you can find kits to rebuild alternators that have all the parts > you need. > > I'm not the electrical guy but I believe that regulator has to have > similar amperage capacity as the alternator output otherwise they will burn > each other out. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 11:59 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Regulators > > > While not strictly tiger related, i have a problem I think the list may have > the expertise to help with. I have an alternator that the internal > regulator has failed on. Replacing the whole alternator is not such an easy > choice as its $1000 (don't ask!) and there is no reason to believe the > regulator would not fail again. > > The regulator used inside has 4 wires. One to the live wire, one to the > charge light and two to the diode bridge. I happen to have a four wire > Lucas regulator here that I'm hoping to use as a replacement but I don't > really know how it should be wired up. The link below shows a pic of the > Lucas regulator and more of the old regulator and the wiring in the > alternator. > > Can anyone explain how it had been wired, and how the (if possible) I could > use the replacement? > > Many thanks indeed. > > https://www.dropbox.com/sc/v1qrr6i0rnld4og/FgJpXtP1Qb > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sjhcobra1@cs.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 12:56:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A1F430B5 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 12:56:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5000740382 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 10:36:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id jt11so3950342pbb.14 for ; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 09:34:00 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ptZl/YDhmG+aMF74CoSzAVYl5g1O756p+8mXRysAWBU=; b=KTJTq9B/hNZlVzp6ctBj84K6jcxxrBR9BjeYGpVMNoGiVxrI2PuYuLpY08VnuOvxXJ sptRomK8cpOi41uiD38ja5oIT2QFsKQgORnBWCwAgKqgqKdQp2lME17Zy6iciVAgdYoO SBrhF3HJC3+viTf/DDMPk0GgAYbeTzne2klPRAALFTSqXRyOop3gwmv7noGt8ZuOA8DF wHMLoRsF8/bbVVlHX+nzt2+Rdlo5O8S0CbGZ+atbS+ww9GxtXcr0Vpj5k//xHiH4nmlX X4ARCDPJgyEPa5/ryxluZERGUsewSKS2YqdNq0k35mWrmrjjkFZaGA6R4ZG8Ur1Q/XBH Cx/A== 10mr16159487pax.39.1386524039951; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 09:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.130.35 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 09:33:59 -0800 (PST) References: <4B4DA19693D54E4182068CB3711A680F@ronpc1> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 12:33:59 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: Steve Halbrook Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Regulators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Guys, Thanks for your responses. I should probably elaborate with all the details. The alternator is specially built by a company in England as a modern alternator that looks like a generator. It was bought from SC Parts in the UK who claim they have never heard of one failing and were not much help. However, I think most people must just potter around at 3500rpm in an XK120 and therefore it never fails. I ran mine at up to 6500rpm and 'cruised' at over 4000rpm, 14 hours a day for 4 days in the C-type. I think that abuse is probably more than they usually experience and I've therefore concluded that the regulator (at least in that location) isn't up to the job i'm expecting to do. I started by taking it to an alternator/generator/starter repair shop that is coincidentally just down the road from my own shop. They told me the regulator had failed but were unable to proceed further as they didn't know the type of regulator. They seem to be unable to do anything 'custom'. I will contact Don's recommendation in CT and enquire if they can help. Ideally, I'd like to move the regulator outside the unit where I can help it keep cool better. Thanks, Owain. On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Steve Halbrook wrote: > Owain: > > I don't know where you are located but in Brandon Florida there is a shop > that rebuilds generators, alternators and water pumps . I have done > business with them for 15 years with no issues. > > Steve Halbrook > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 8, 2013, at 10:34 AM, " Ron Fraser" wrote: > > > > Owain > > I would suggest you try to find someone who can rebuild that > > alternator. I have done that with several and it generally costs less > than > > $100. Maybe there is a better fix for that internal regulator that comes > > with a rebuild. > > > > Sometimes you can find kits to rebuild alternators that have all the > parts > > you need. > > > > I'm not the electrical guy but I believe that regulator has to have > > similar amperage capacity as the alternator output otherwise they will > burn > > each other out. > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto: > tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > > On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 11:59 PM > > To: tigers@autox.team.net > > Subject: [Tigers] Regulators > > > > > > While not strictly tiger related, i have a problem I think the list may > have > > the expertise to help with. I have an alternator that the internal > > regulator has failed on. Replacing the whole alternator is not such an > easy > > choice as its $1000 (don't ask!) and there is no reason to believe the > > regulator would not fail again. > > > > The regulator used inside has 4 wires. One to the live wire, one to the > > charge light and two to the diode bridge. I happen to have a four wire > > Lucas regulator here that I'm hoping to use as a replacement but I don't > > really know how it should be wired up. The link below shows a pic of the > > Lucas regulator and more of the old regulator and the wiring in the > > alternator. > > > > Can anyone explain how it had been wired, and how the (if possible) I > could > > use the replacement? > > > > Many thanks indeed. > > > > https://www.dropbox.com/sc/v1qrr6i0rnld4og/FgJpXtP1Qb > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sjhcobra1@cs.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 12:59:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A657243106 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 12:59:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-01.shaw.ca (smtp-out-01.shaw.ca [64.59.136.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA0C42761 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 10:40:28 -0700 (MST) cv=OwXf4AQYS7J10u4+/2kpCX1VHJ+qeA/E1g375LKBsDQ= c=1 sm=1 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=07qYva9XFuPVsmUOanpuKQ==:17 a=AVURqEWsAAAA:8 a=HTms6nFJAAAA:8 a=CLAv9PGLAAAA:8 a=WNGw4UPdAAAA:8 a=VAMm1qzQAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=0ofH7XKz3GMLqCcEcdMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=6iGnP4MBT6QA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=AfV9eWGRtX0A:10 a=tJfgk2sI620A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.108]) ([184.64.56.176]) by smtp-out-01.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 08 Dec 2013 10:35:30 -0700 Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2013 10:35:30 -0700 From: Theo Smit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Regulators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Owain, I found your regulator here: http://www.autoleader.cn/proshow.asp?id=903 It says Black D- Yellow D+ White B+ Case DF Red B+ Replaces Lucas UCB101 UCB101X UCB107 37582 This article http://www.vtr.org/maintain/alternator-repair.shtml has a decent diagram of the original Lucas alternator/regulator wiring as well as instructions on the last page that reference the color codes on the new regulator. It appears that your custom alternator is basically built inside a stock-looking generator case, right? The failed regulator you have is a Denso type like this one: http://store.alternatorparts.com/partnoin220.aspx except that the part where the circular connection is has been cut off and hand-wired out. The F connection would go to one of the brush terminals, and you'd have to check to see how the 'stator' terminal was wired to your custom installation. The regulator isn't really involved in the high current aspects of the alternator but even so, it can run warm, which is why the original Denso part had heat sink fins on it and it was mounted so those fins are in the external air flow. If you're rebuilding this, I would try to get it so that your regulator was mounted to a heat sink with external fins or at least to something that has a good thermal connection to the external case. Otherwise the regulator will likely overheat and fail early. This page shows how the circular Denso connector should be wired to the car's electrical system. http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/elec/34.html Hope this all helps... I don't have a complete wire-for-wire replacement guide for you but this, and the actual alternator on your bench, might be enough to get it going again. Cheers, Theo On 12/7/2013 9:58 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > While not strictly tiger related, i have a problem I think the list may > have the expertise to help with. I have an alternator that the internal > regulator has failed on. Replacing the whole alternator is not such an > easy choice as its $1000 (don't ask!) and there is no reason to believe the > regulator would not fail again. > > The regulator used inside has 4 wires. One to the live wire, one to the > charge light and two to the diode bridge. I happen to have a four wire > Lucas regulator here that I'm hoping to use as a replacement but I don't > really know how it should be wired up. The link below shows a pic of the > Lucas regulator and more of the old regulator and the wiring in the > alternator. > > Can anyone explain how it had been wired, and how the (if possible) I could > use the replacement? > > Many thanks indeed. > > https://www.dropbox.com/sc/v1qrr6i0rnld4og/FgJpXtP1Qb > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tsmit@shaw.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 13:00:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D95F43560 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 13:00:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25905430B8 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 10:57:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rB8HqxU3024584; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 09:53:52 -0800 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d1a6a206) id dm0224.528310f8.2ef9cf; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 09:53:47 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.145.188]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 17:53:46 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , "'Steve Halbrook'" Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 12:53:42 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac70O64CJ268wb4XQR2cYLw0hdmajgAAKaGw engine=2.50.10432:5.11.72,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-12-08_01:2013-12-06,2013-12-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1312080129 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Regulators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Owain The Mid 60's style Ford Alternator now has a separate external electronic voltage regulator that mounts on the outside of the alternator case. Not sure if that helps you any with your problem but it might. Those voltage regulators are available at NPD and others. PowerGen is the name of the company here in the States that makes that type of Alternator/ Generator look alike - maybe they can help. You might also want to think about a somewhat larger alternator pulley to slow down your alternator speed. The 289 HiPo used a 4.3" diameter alternator pulley. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 12:34 PM To: Steve Halbrook Cc: rfraser@bluefrog.com; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Regulators Hi Guys, Thanks for your responses. I should probably elaborate with all the details. The alternator is specially built by a company in England as a modern alternator that looks like a generator. It was bought from SC Parts in the UK who claim they have never heard of one failing and were not much help. However, I think most people must just potter around at 3500rpm in an XK120 and therefore it never fails. I ran mine at up to 6500rpm and 'cruised' at over 4000rpm, 14 hours a day for 4 days in the C-type. I think that abuse is probably more than they usually experience and I've therefore concluded that the regulator (at least in that location) isn't up to the job i'm expecting to do. I started by taking it to an alternator/generator/starter repair shop that is coincidentally just down the road from my own shop. They told me the regulator had failed but were unable to proceed further as they didn't know the type of regulator. They seem to be unable to do anything 'custom'. I will contact Don's recommendation in CT and enquire if they can help. Ideally, I'd like to move the regulator outside the unit where I can help it keep cool better. Thanks, Owain. On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Steve Halbrook wrote: Owain: I don't know where you are located but in Brandon Florida there is a shop that rebuilds generators, alternators and water pumps . I have done business with them for 15 years with no issues. Steve Halbrook Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 8, 2013, at 10:34 AM, " Ron Fraser" wrote: > > Owain > I would suggest you try to find someone who can rebuild that > alternator. I have done that with several and it generally costs less than > $100. Maybe there is a better fix for that internal regulator that comes > with a rebuild. > > Sometimes you can find kits to rebuild alternators that have all the parts > you need. > > I'm not the electrical guy but I believe that regulator has to have > similar amperage capacity as the alternator output otherwise they will burn > each other out. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 11:59 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Regulators > > > While not strictly tiger related, i have a problem I think the list may have > the expertise to help with. I have an alternator that the internal > regulator has failed on. Replacing the whole alternator is not such an easy > choice as its $1000 (don't ask!) and there is no reason to believe the > regulator would not fail again. > > The regulator used inside has 4 wires. One to the live wire, one to the > charge light and two to the diode bridge. I happen to have a four wire > Lucas regulator here that I'm hoping to use as a replacement but I don't > really know how it should be wired up. The link below shows a pic of the > Lucas regulator and more of the old regulator and the wiring in the > alternator. > > Can anyone explain how it had been wired, and how the (if possible) I could > use the replacement? > > Many thanks indeed. > > https://www.dropbox.com/sc/v1qrr6i0rnld4og/FgJpXtP1Qb > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sjhcobra1@cs.com > > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6901 - Release Date: 12/08/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 14:12:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AC94313C for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 14:12:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (unknown [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06C04303F for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 12:44:22 -0700 (MST) c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1386527965; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=5m9V4ow/chNaWVwjH+/kH+FhtUg=; b=EWwf6lUt7R8xsd9jmsDv6txECLSbOMUeKiyn3/l65AjyN5Zrq/NKFxYGjrSVNHM/ dGnHNR/xMeSXkUUwQ/7jpwV0zTIOT8axhEox1VKVr+Joxa1dmj84FuVyVrI8UbtS; X_CMAE_Category: , , a=VHR75LDRdwNiv49K1R9BLQ==:17 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=vVOjYpLXw8sA:10 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=MPtjpNrbAAAA:8 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=dyTapXDjAAAA:8 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=DU5bcdhejQKK7lM01qsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=8VpxkgLVVlEA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=gBw44Nox7VgA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=UTt2STmohOzz7Q6h:21 a=i2iFcIDoFCIZwJ-8:21 a=VHR75LDRdwNiv49K1R9BLQ==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp03.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.mail=wseay@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp03.agate.dfw.synacor.com header.from=wseay@embarqmail.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp03.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.user=wseay@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp03.agate.dfw.synacor.com: 71.48.131.223 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Received: from [71.48.131.223] ([71.48.131.223:29563] helo=xpseay) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPA id 23/04-30497-BDCB4A25; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 13:39:23 -0500 From: "Will Seay" To: "'jim'" , "'Thomas Witt'" , References: <52A371A9.4040107@roadrunner.com> <00ca01cef387$f322ed10$d968c730$@net> <00e201cef3a9$cfcf6060$6f6e2120$@net> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 13:39:20 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7zqUJwvxXVjtDGRrS3lr+LaW/9NAAAFbLAACaipPA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Swap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net And while we're on the subject, because your clutch slave cylinder has to match to the new bolt pattern, plan on getting a new clutch slave cylinder mounting bracket. These tend to be pretty hard to find. I bought a repro of one some years ago. It was on eBay. Haven't seen any original or repro on eBay recently. Will Seay_____________ wseay@embarqmail.com "I think not therefore I am not" (anon) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 7:10 PM To: 'Thomas Witt'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Swap It's more than just an 'extra' hole... http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/classic-tech/84248d1259105 111-289-5-bolt-bell-housing-block.jpg Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 2:05 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Swap There is this scattershield on Ebay. It is obviously a narrow/wide trans pattern. On the engine side it has a boatload of bolt holes. Maybe someone can identify if it is both 5/6 bolt pattern. Which brings me to ask, where is the "extra" bolt hole anyway? - Tom http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-LAKEWOOD-289-302-351-BLOW-PROOF-BELL-HOUSING-3- 4-SPEED-MANUAL-TRANS-/390714498729?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&ha sh=item5af8661ea9&vxp=mtr ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim" To: "'Tod Brown'" ; ; "'Andy Walker'" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Swap >I thought the dual pattern bell housings referred to the trans end >where there are both wide and narrow bolt patterns for the early/late >toploader... > > > A friend of mine has one...and it will only fit a 6 bolt block > > > Jim > B382000446 _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wseay@embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 14:26:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4968E43104 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 14:26:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f53.google.com (mail-pb0-f53.google.com [209.85.160.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA9F4305B for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 13:04:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id ma3so4071641pbc.12 for ; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 12:01:50 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8W0Td/M4KiRoYnQcQFN3GDEwzYWYUZIcWvxDmTBqu6Q=; b=tD0OkDUpR6q4LxgCFvhav7f8RHqVnozYIJAkznHxiiSIpEgb79o7G0sopYAD3DXHak CF8Zri61DvKaAwAph7A3GmP/UkvwKTyNrQ2ZwwNGbsBfzFQLm6/IN2cTsm0uqb8Bl5i9 MABdHr0GJ6cN5ZZPFoJzYOETm12Qt1eyZhp8gQGDm8SY081KBivDXparn2Xai1yF5G8k iH4wfPG36+Jz33F+8xovfY9D9zwJAVH4YAy6vb/U1nABA7F07N4vY/82X0GxIgqaWDMV H3GTRjNtizFFBwCkbd7a6Owq3fmV3qRwEFaD0Ew/tjglzeLI6GsVZHV994E7LronkKcv cjuA== kn10mr16641180pbd.106.1386532910557; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 12:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.130.35 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 12:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.130.35 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 12:01:50 -0800 (PST) References: <52A4CDE0.5020505@shaw.ca> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 15:01:50 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: Theo Smit , tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Regulators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Theo! Fantastic! Many thanks. How did you find that denso part? The alternator case looks original but is actually 1/4" thick machined alloy. If I can mount the denso unit in contact with the inside of the case it should be a good heatsink. With a larger pulley and a shield over the alternator to keep the exhaust heat off like the etypes have, I might just get away with it. Thanks again Owain On Dec 8, 2013 2:52 PM, "Theo Smit" wrote: > Hi Owain, > I sent this to the list but it seems to be delayed for some reason... > > > I found your regulator here: > http://www.autoleader.cn/proshow.asp?id=903 > It says > Black D- > Yellow D+ > White B+ > Case DF > Red B+ > Replaces Lucas UCB101 UCB101X UCB107 37582 > > This article > http://www.vtr.org/maintain/alternator-repair.shtml > has a decent diagram of the original Lucas alternator/regulator wiring as > well as instructions on the last page that reference the color codes on the > new regulator. > > It appears that your custom alternator is basically built inside a > stock-looking generator case, right? > The failed regulator you have is a Denso type like this one: > http://store.alternatorparts.com/partnoin220.aspx > except that the part where the circular connection is has been cut off and > hand-wired out. The F connection would go to one of the brush terminals, > and you'd have to check to see how the 'stator' terminal was wired to your > custom installation. > > The regulator isn't really involved in the high current aspects of the > alternator but even so, it can run warm, which is why the original Denso > part had heat sink fins on it and it was mounted so those fins are in the > external air flow. If you're rebuilding this, I would try to get it so that > your regulator was mounted to a heat sink with external fins or at least to > something that has a good thermal connection to the external case. > Otherwise the regulator will likely overheat and fail early. > > This page shows how the circular Denso connector should be wired to the > car's electrical system. > http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/elec/34.html > > Hope this all helps... I don't have a complete wire-for-wire replacement > guide for you but this, and the actual alternator on your bench, might be > enough to get it going again. > > Cheers, > Theo > > On 12/7/2013 9:58 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > >> While not strictly tiger related, i have a problem I think the list may >> have the expertise to help with. I have an alternator that the internal >> regulator has failed on. Replacing the whole alternator is not such an >> easy choice as its $1000 (don't ask!) and there is no reason to believe >> the >> regulator would not fail again. >> >> The regulator used inside has 4 wires. One to the live wire, one to the >> charge light and two to the diode bridge. I happen to have a four wire >> Lucas regulator here that I'm hoping to use as a replacement but I don't >> really know how it should be wired up. The link below shows a pic of the >> Lucas regulator and more of the old regulator and the wiring in the >> alternator. >> >> Can anyone explain how it had been wired, and how the (if possible) I >> could >> use the replacement? >> >> Many thanks indeed. >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/v1qrr6i0rnld4og/FgJpXtP1Qb >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tsmit@shaw.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 15:51:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F33340546 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 15:51:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74B240524 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 14:32:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [76.166.187.1] ([76.166.187.1:54294] helo=BillPC) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id BB/F7-23041-F04E4A25; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 21:26:39 +0000 From: "Bill Rogers" To: "Tigers" Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 13:26:34 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Powergen Alternator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Owain, Powergen in the US does a 90 amp alternator in a generator case for our Fords P/N 82101. Summit racing has them for $370. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 16:17:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E04743050 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 16:17:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (unknown [64.59.134.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE6C40079 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 15:23:16 -0700 (MST) cv=LEYBnznbHq3FhzR9LVFp1uvv3/Dy5AS/nulXTUPc3gs= c=1 sm=1 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=07qYva9XFuPVsmUOanpuKQ==:17 a=AVURqEWsAAAA:8 a=HTms6nFJAAAA:8 a=CLAv9PGLAAAA:8 a=WNGw4UPdAAAA:8 a=VAMm1qzQAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=QKoYGUAPQq8v-d9Imy8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=6iGnP4MBT6QA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=AfV9eWGRtX0A:10 a=tJfgk2sI620A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4stH-ymMUdDjZnuPq2IA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.108]) ([184.64.56.176]) by idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 08 Dec 2013 15:18:32 -0700 Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2013 15:18:32 -0700 From: Theo Smit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com References: <52A4CDE0.5020505@shaw.ca> Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Regulators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Owain, I Googled 'integrated alternator regulator' and then did an image search, looking for parts where the heat sink and mounting hole patterns were similar. I then realized that your part had been modified to remove the OEM external connector. If you can get a very close fit between your regulator and the external case, and use heat sink compound to further improve the heat transfer, as well as the pulley and shield mods, you should be in good shape. Theo On 12/8/2013 1:01 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > > Theo! Fantastic! Many thanks. How did you find that denso part? > > The alternator case looks original but is actually 1/4" thick machined > alloy. If I can mount the denso unit in contact with the inside of the > case it should be a good heatsink. With a larger pulley and a shield > over the alternator to keep the exhaust heat off like the etypes have, > I might just get away with it. > > Thanks again > > Owain > > On Dec 8, 2013 2:52 PM, "Theo Smit" > Hi Owain, > I sent this to the list but it seems to be delayed for some reason... > > > I found your regulator here: > http://www.autoleader.cn/proshow.asp?id=903 > It says > Black D- > Yellow D+ > White B+ > Case DF > Red B+ > Replaces Lucas UCB101 UCB101X UCB107 37582 > > This article > http://www.vtr.org/maintain/alternator-repair.shtml > has a decent diagram of the original Lucas alternator/regulator > wiring as well as instructions on the last page that reference the > color codes on the new regulator. > > It appears that your custom alternator is basically built inside a > stock-looking generator case, right? > The failed regulator you have is a Denso type like this one: > http://store.alternatorparts.com/partnoin220.aspx > except that the part where the circular connection is has been cut > off and hand-wired out. The F connection would go to one of the > brush terminals, and you'd have to check to see how the 'stator' > terminal was wired to your custom installation. > > The regulator isn't really involved in the high current aspects of > the alternator but even so, it can run warm, which is why the > original Denso part had heat sink fins on it and it was mounted so > those fins are in the external air flow. If you're rebuilding > this, I would try to get it so that your regulator was mounted to > a heat sink with external fins or at least to something that has a > good thermal connection to the external case. Otherwise the > regulator will likely overheat and fail early. > > This page shows how the circular Denso connector should be wired > to the car's electrical system. > http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/elec/34.html > > Hope this all helps... I don't have a complete wire-for-wire > replacement guide for you but this, and the actual alternator on > your bench, might be enough to get it going again. > > Cheers, > Theo > > On 12/7/2013 9:58 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > > While not strictly tiger related, i have a problem I think the > list may > have the expertise to help with. I have an alternator that > the internal > regulator has failed on. Replacing the whole alternator is > not such an > easy choice as its $1000 (don't ask!) and there is no reason > to believe the > regulator would not fail again. > > The regulator used inside has 4 wires. One to the live wire, > one to the > charge light and two to the diode bridge. I happen to have a > four wire > Lucas regulator here that I'm hoping to use as a replacement > but I don't > really know how it should be wired up. The link below shows a > pic of the > Lucas regulator and more of the old regulator and the wiring > in the > alternator. > > Can anyone explain how it had been wired, and how the (if > possible) I could > use the replacement? > > Many thanks indeed. > > https://www.dropbox.com/sc/v1qrr6i0rnld4og/FgJpXtP1Qb > _______________________________________________ > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tsmit@shaw.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 19:35:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6038740537 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 19:35:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f48.google.com (mail-pb0-f48.google.com [209.85.160.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8A940511 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 18:09:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id md12so4338910pbc.7 for ; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 17:07:08 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=dlSc6nO8S2P+0m5uCa2Z0dIFV4gJoPKJyA7lk6ntKec=; b=FMludqLuPtwHyMFhhfzZo5Jq1w6sbHi2N8itUE02mbTu5RvNwS8fPX9zXjyMghlL6D L1odojs14zOpf/3liXsNoaAAdVjwoFH85su+bj7WcrrOy7fP5gdwG5TAH8E9KZTerQ/8 FbZF17/ybgD3RPlgjVJZEhdEq9/PKfTrT4zHZeeoXwYHHHQD+EYGOJK2XAWJjyRayFvj jvpZVSodz/aPmpnM5/1VZvP/IE4pL80BY8v3EQL+q1NFn+ZBF4l3b8j6K5y5/T4UrabS L63xGvMZD500tGLwMqXF1GaEg6iZ4Th4AUNGpHq+7Ow4J53YcQ829rky8jF77aFDrAv4 tPKA== iv5mr5666210pbc.150.1386551227772; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 17:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.130.35 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 17:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.130.35 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 17:07:07 -0800 (PST) References: <52A4CDE0.5020505@shaw.ca> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 20:07:07 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: Jere Teepen Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Regulators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This one will have to be made on a lathe. No taper though so should be easy. On Dec 8, 2013 8:01 PM, "Teepen, Jere" wrote: > Reproduction Hi-po alternator pulleys are available from most of the > Mustang parts houses. Not sure about the pulley/shaft diameter > compatibility though... > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 12:02 PM > To: Theo Smit; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Regulators > > Theo! Fantastic! Many thanks. How did you find that denso part? > > The alternator case looks original but is actually 1/4" thick machined > alloy. If I can mount the denso unit in contact with the inside of the case > it should be a good heatsink. With a larger pulley and a shield over the > alternator to keep the exhaust heat off like the etypes have, I might just > get away with it. > > Thanks again > > Owain > On Dec 8, 2013 2:52 PM, "Theo Smit" wrote: > > > Hi Owain, > > I sent this to the list but it seems to be delayed for some reason... > > > > > > I found your regulator here: > > http://www.autoleader.cn/proshow.asp?id=903 > > It says > > Black D- > > Yellow D+ > > White B+ > > Case DF > > Red B+ > > Replaces Lucas UCB101 UCB101X UCB107 37582 > > > > This article > > http://www.vtr.org/maintain/alternator-repair.shtml > > has a decent diagram of the original Lucas alternator/regulator wiring > > as well as instructions on the last page that reference the color > > codes on the new regulator. > > > > It appears that your custom alternator is basically built inside a > > stock-looking generator case, right? > > The failed regulator you have is a Denso type like this one: > > http://store.alternatorparts.com/partnoin220.aspx > > except that the part where the circular connection is has been cut off > > and hand-wired out. The F connection would go to one of the brush > > terminals, and you'd have to check to see how the 'stator' terminal > > was wired to your custom installation. > > > > The regulator isn't really involved in the high current aspects of the > > alternator but even so, it can run warm, which is why the original > > Denso part had heat sink fins on it and it was mounted so those fins > > are in the external air flow. If you're rebuilding this, I would try > > to get it so that your regulator was mounted to a heat sink with > > external fins or at least to something that has a good thermal > connection to the external case. > > Otherwise the regulator will likely overheat and fail early. > > > > This page shows how the circular Denso connector should be wired to > > the car's electrical system. > > http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/elec/34.html > > > > Hope this all helps... I don't have a complete wire-for-wire > > replacement guide for you but this, and the actual alternator on your > > bench, might be enough to get it going again. > > > > Cheers, > > Theo > > > > On 12/7/2013 9:58 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > > > >> While not strictly tiger related, i have a problem I think the list > >> may have the expertise to help with. I have an alternator that the > >> internal regulator has failed on. Replacing the whole alternator is > >> not such an easy choice as its $1000 (don't ask!) and there is no > >> reason to believe the regulator would not fail again. > >> > >> The regulator used inside has 4 wires. One to the live wire, one to > >> the charge light and two to the diode bridge. I happen to have a > >> four wire Lucas regulator here that I'm hoping to use as a > >> replacement but I don't really know how it should be wired up. The > >> link below shows a pic of the Lucas regulator and more of the old > >> regulator and the wiring in the alternator. > >> > >> Can anyone explain how it had been wired, and how the (if possible) I > >> could use the replacement? > >> > >> Many thanks indeed. > >> > >> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/v1qrr6i0rnld4og/FgJpXtP1Qb _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 19:38:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB16A43030 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 19:38:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f170.google.com (mail-pd0-f170.google.com [209.85.192.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CEB440511 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 18:11:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f170.google.com with SMTP id g10so4189563pdj.15 for ; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 17:09:04 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=zNzN8YPLaJSp1xw9vft54oHVjbEyCowAfdsvB2n5loQ=; b=mbUYMawzHIcvDgXZAuDNqENrP7wJqNLvcFInlunXGqgQ5wXAuD73WPJ/THP4xNS+DP d35Fc6CbYgQgMQRiMtORGoNXw7alquTkwSJzYQp4ahLrvPwg8NmH9Ud9BFII/fXTUR3T ZH+O0Dgj8FCe8KTOqehtQYMh7pcTNLKcnqQYTw+Au716DtN0uTvcppPtetbOQyEPM6zg N2++gjX4TCenhQRX3HntXnPPhDrRoHSLLwYlw+/DDTizb+LDPjNL6g5jRvf7w7HuPpK/ 7MHOlvDYi7NQ3MAOklRbYJv8wxgqDyDXdzlJD7ZE2ECVZyxwUk5bFDExnWbhdqoIvdT2 yXQQ== gi5mr17812143pbc.57.1386551344761; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 17:09:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.130.35 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 17:09:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.130.35 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 17:09:04 -0800 (PST) References: <52A4CDE0.5020505@shaw.ca> <52A4F038.8030303@shaw.ca> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 20:09:04 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: Theo Smit Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Regulators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That's great information in those links. Very helpful. On Dec 8, 2013 5:18 PM, "Theo Smit" wrote: > Hi Owain, > I Googled 'integrated alternator regulator' and then did an image search, > looking for parts where the heat sink and mounting hole patterns were > similar. I then realized that your part had been modified to remove the OEM > external connector. > > If you can get a very close fit between your regulator and the external > case, and use heat sink compound to further improve the heat transfer, as > well as the pulley and shield mods, you should be in good shape. > > Theo > > On 12/8/2013 1:01 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > > Theo! Fantastic! Many thanks. How did you find that denso part? > > The alternator case looks original but is actually 1/4" thick machined > alloy. If I can mount the denso unit in contact with the inside of the case > it should be a good heatsink. With a larger pulley and a shield over the > alternator to keep the exhaust heat off like the etypes have, I might just > get away with it. > > Thanks again > > Owain > On Dec 8, 2013 2:52 PM, "Theo Smit" wrote: > >> Hi Owain, >> I sent this to the list but it seems to be delayed for some reason... >> >> >> I found your regulator here: >> http://www.autoleader.cn/proshow.asp?id=903 >> It says >> Black D- >> Yellow D+ >> White B+ >> Case DF >> Red B+ >> Replaces Lucas UCB101 UCB101X UCB107 37582 >> >> This article >> http://www.vtr.org/maintain/alternator-repair.shtml >> has a decent diagram of the original Lucas alternator/regulator wiring as >> well as instructions on the last page that reference the color codes on the >> new regulator. >> >> It appears that your custom alternator is basically built inside a >> stock-looking generator case, right? >> The failed regulator you have is a Denso type like this one: >> http://store.alternatorparts.com/partnoin220.aspx >> except that the part where the circular connection is has been cut off >> and hand-wired out. The F connection would go to one of the brush >> terminals, and you'd have to check to see how the 'stator' terminal was >> wired to your custom installation. >> >> The regulator isn't really involved in the high current aspects of the >> alternator but even so, it can run warm, which is why the original Denso >> part had heat sink fins on it and it was mounted so those fins are in the >> external air flow. If you're rebuilding this, I would try to get it so that >> your regulator was mounted to a heat sink with external fins or at least to >> something that has a good thermal connection to the external case. >> Otherwise the regulator will likely overheat and fail early. >> >> This page shows how the circular Denso connector should be wired to the >> car's electrical system. >> http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/elec/34.html >> >> Hope this all helps... I don't have a complete wire-for-wire replacement >> guide for you but this, and the actual alternator on your bench, might be >> enough to get it going again. >> >> Cheers, >> Theo >> >> On 12/7/2013 9:58 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: >> >>> While not strictly tiger related, i have a problem I think the list may >>> have the expertise to help with. I have an alternator that the internal >>> regulator has failed on. Replacing the whole alternator is not such an >>> easy choice as its $1000 (don't ask!) and there is no reason to believe >>> the >>> regulator would not fail again. >>> >>> The regulator used inside has 4 wires. One to the live wire, one to the >>> charge light and two to the diode bridge. I happen to have a four wire >>> Lucas regulator here that I'm hoping to use as a replacement but I don't >>> really know how it should be wired up. The link below shows a pic of the >>> Lucas regulator and more of the old regulator and the wiring in the >>> alternator. >>> >>> Can anyone explain how it had been wired, and how the (if possible) I >>> could >>> use the replacement? >>> >>> Many thanks indeed. >>> >>> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/v1qrr6i0rnld4og/FgJpXtP1Qb >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers@autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tsmit@shaw.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 20:25:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04DD4287E for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 20:25:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A016C4042C for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 20:05:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zEln1m0010FhH24AAF2tCL; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 03:02:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.104] ([67.174.248.209]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zF2s1m00A4XoxhP8UF2sZR; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 03:02:52 +0000 Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2013 19:02:51 -0800 From: Tom Hall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: Owain Lloyd , Owain Lloyd References: <52A4CDE0.5020505@shaw.ca> s=q20121106; t=1386558173; bh=zdprKn0E4QIA5c0R2dO/FecP4UystTgizg1u0PnCzFA=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=hlG87ZR4NOlsRlnDdjshQpP01rjsXjo1yzAfauNEr3nChOcXr0cUD6D1WBBlYZMeZ MVxi2u/TCNsgXUHPRa4IBDEtRo6i/PAGP3lIgtXjmBKrWs3AYrJ7xdPC3KJZsFORME YhlaBqysJTtYROFrb230hh5dU1YOR7MUX/7EWZsugsLtCXcKu5nFrVVkWcB65LS7Ic +xMItCsuhC04MdktXg5TDSGb7pEzyGSGOp5Y7GGmxHpqgOt/gi55wag7BAUQVmr2++ 8aq3bJZD9PKzzOr9a14+q/Hzxyh7IAOw+rXyCA2MXJlg5393lPKmSvGrfaYRhNhWEf /69OZXDcvxZzg== Cc: Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Regulators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/8/2013 5:07 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > This one will have to be made on a lathe. No taper though so should be > easy. > On Dec 8, 2013 8:01 PM, "Teepen, Jere" wrote: Owain, The design standard for Ford alternator, generator, and power steering (hint) shafts was 0.625 or 5/8" in the 60's - 70's period. That leaves the lathe work on the pulley to matching offsets for alignment. I ran a 4" power steering pulley on my alternator for about 30 years in those days, and never threw a belt. If you can identify the common connections on the alternator, you should also be able to bring them outside the case and run a totally external regulator. That alternator/regulator match and selection however, is definitely more in Theo's territory. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 21:27:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E6540535 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 21:27:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f172.google.com (mail-pd0-f172.google.com [209.85.192.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE41D4044B for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 20:41:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f172.google.com with SMTP id g10so4363273pdj.31 for ; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 19:38:09 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=bxyGUGEw0rJZnjULSAWq/qQYVdJ4+XPxXZjLrTLAstA=; b=NiGmWHIGMrXNnGPx1Hhup+kI3p86mCmfGacvhOGz/MIq0uYY1nXvMXR5fFd1GUGZlC KTeOG03sFTWvYSTavY2BixH2F60NZWDo8apVe23yj+EQBJ8zKWxzbfKr6FY4NZUsXBOG 15N4ewPyxK/k9MavkL2nbZie2yBJarrqDqbHL6JbnK5Qz1fvNmcQ0PHKLbsGF+PVRaO2 Rh3AugO9ajP7MhPppxKot+C2T3zQf5doDlgA/fc9G71bvTuM14AdhuxD/mhuDw7c92nr Agm3EdbLx34Tgjt+i+xJcuNDU9nl2m0c092MTaS5to7aIml7AUX+801rmXyK67u+D6WY tO5Q== li4mr18488739pab.33.1386560289168; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 19:38:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.130.35 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 19:38:09 -0800 (PST) References: <52A4CDE0.5020505@shaw.ca> <52A532DB.7080605@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 22:38:09 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: Tom Hall Cc: Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Regulators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Tom. I'll take a look at those pulleys. After reading some of Theo's links, it looks like is a 'three wire' regular that the alternator manufacturer has taken the sense wire from the output leaving two external terminals. I intend to add one more terminal to take a sense wire from the 'dash'. I hope with the regulator screwed to some copper or aluminum with heatsink compound and this in turn attached to the 1/4" aluminum casing, it should be kept much cooler and still work inside. I'll add a heat shield from the exhaust and that will hopefully be enough to keep it sufficiently cool. On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Tom Hall wrote: > On 12/8/2013 5:07 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > >> This one will have to be made on a lathe. No taper though so should be >> easy. >> On Dec 8, 2013 8:01 PM, "Teepen, Jere" wrote: >> > > Owain, > > The design standard for Ford alternator, generator, and power steering > (hint) shafts was 0.625 or 5/8" in the 60's - 70's period. That leaves the > lathe work on the pulley to matching offsets for alignment. I ran a 4" > power steering pulley on my alternator for about 30 years in those days, > and never threw a belt. If you can identify the common connections on the > alternator, you should also be able to bring them outside the case and run > a totally external regulator. That alternator/regulator match and > selection however, is definitely more in Theo's territory. > > > -- > Tom Hall > ModTiger Engineering LLC > www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 22:45:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E88C40522 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 22:45:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm46.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm46.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2541A4042E for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 22:39:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm46.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2013 05:36:18 -0000 Received: from [98.138.100.103] by nm46.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2013 05:33:36 -0000 Received: from [98.139.214.32] by tm102.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2013 05:33:36 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.212] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2013 05:33:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2013 05:33:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 80601 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2013 05:33:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1386567216; bh=CuYq2bcOYGbdwOg4LOghHYoq9uObYnBoyWCiS4pk/ho=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5WBaoX4CpWNLeBwQwqHE613ZcMfLzhg18ee8eilVaUj7zaTC4BUxl7NROkQggXNaHrH+fg3lnV4Ivr62I70+qUh1N5uWNuLtKghUkLKKhAWmAEy69erkcU18kzFu6/gzdf4Cdhuag4j1kJpiBLSjfFIK4cwHynBrYvjm9+2rybc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oPbBH9A9MjtXYHrGm/S4InF4MP9SZiddaNHMjTnznII6RTujO5OdNary8tdDNOztbfWsG9W+Ik4BLwZGIbLDi6BzeQNWnDbw33g2EBz28Tb1r7eDLtMQskaB6i1V4TgxEV9YpsBoWgvauUncDQ/qOFD9TMtvuFLOUov+c9bD9Nk=; 91AZ62cHFfWBx5k2lg4bRXIAyb1zXEAtg9IQVjtAgHA2FT5VloEv4esB2czF IDB3ma2delMl6u7kumHXCmJ_0uVp0bUTNw4lBrZlKH7MH0..cwQuIycj7CL. 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Not sure about the pulley/shaft diameter compatibility though... -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 12:02 PM To: Theo Smit; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Regulators Theo! Fantastic! Many thanks. How did you find that denso part? The alternator case looks original but is actually 1/4" thick machined alloy. If I can mount the denso unit in contact with the inside of the case it should be a good heatsink. With a larger pulley and a shield over the alternator to keep the exhaust heat off like the etypes have, I might just get away with it. Thanks again Owain On Dec 8, 2013 2:52 PM, "Theo Smit" wrote: > Hi Owain, > I sent this to the list but it seems to be delayed for some reason... > > > I found your regulator here: > http://www.autoleader.cn/proshow.asp?id=903 > It says > Black D- > Yellow D+ > White B+ > Case DF > Red B+ > Replaces Lucas UCB101 UCB101X UCB107 37582 > > This article > http://www.vtr.org/maintain/alternator-repair.shtml > has a decent diagram of the original Lucas alternator/regulator wiring > as well as instructions on the last page that reference the color > codes on the new regulator. > > It appears that your custom alternator is basically built inside a > stock-looking generator case, right? > The failed regulator you have is a Denso type like this one: > http://store.alternatorparts.com/partnoin220.aspx > except that the part where the circular connection is has been cut off > and hand-wired out. The F connection would go to one of the brush > terminals, and you'd have to check to see how the 'stator' terminal > was wired to your custom installation. > > The regulator isn't really involved in the high current aspects of the > alternator but even so, it can run warm, which is why the original > Denso part had heat sink fins on it and it was mounted so those fins > are in the external air flow. If you're rebuilding this, I would try > to get it so that your regulator was mounted to a heat sink with > external fins or at least to something that has a good thermal connection to the external case. > Otherwise the regulator will likely overheat and fail early. > > This page shows how the circular Denso connector should be wired to > the car's electrical system. > http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/elec/34.html > > Hope this all helps... I don't have a complete wire-for-wire > replacement guide for you but this, and the actual alternator on your > bench, might be enough to get it going again. > > Cheers, > Theo > > On 12/7/2013 9:58 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > >> While not strictly tiger related, i have a problem I think the list >> may have the expertise to help with. I have an alternator that the >> internal regulator has failed on. Replacing the whole alternator is >> not such an easy choice as its $1000 (don't ask!) and there is no >> reason to believe the regulator would not fail again. >> >> The regulator used inside has 4 wires. One to the live wire, one to >> the charge light and two to the diode bridge. I happen to have a >> four wire Lucas regulator here that I'm hoping to use as a >> replacement but I don't really know how it should be wired up. The >> link below shows a pic of the Lucas regulator and more of the old >> regulator and the wiring in the alternator. >> >> Can anyone explain how it had been wired, and how the (if possible) I >> could use the replacement? >> >> Many thanks indeed. >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/v1qrr6i0rnld4og/FgJpXtP1Qb _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 9 08:10:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B3042B1A for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 08:10:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bosmailout12.eigbox.net (bosmailout12.eigbox.net [66.96.185.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8644140415 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 07:39:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from bosmailscan21.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.21]) by bosmailout12.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Vq1xE-0006MG-9T for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 09:37:00 -0500 Received: from bosimpout04.eigbox.net ([10.20.55.4]) by bosmailscan21.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Vq1xD-0004Ye-7H for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 09:36:59 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp08.eigbox.net ([10.20.18.8]) by bosimpout04.eigbox.net with NO UCE id zScw1m0090ASroS01Scw8X; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 09:36:59 -0500 a=tMK9iinponzxkr7Ra8a0mw==:17 a=OPgJcfM40kIA:10 a=jcdYy1G9iFUA:10 a=spq79IM-Lj8A:10 a=kEh8VdYBrxAA:10 a=7cSlj-FvRxEA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=Or_tTDS8AAAA:8 a=nT3hp1WM1m4A:10 a=SysDy_94ix_mJSiQflgA:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=dgB6qwt1mu0A:10 a=9HYwUP-R3Q4A:10 a=BF10AaGwQl41phDg7WSPyA==:117 Received: from [67.202.157.146] (port=2001 helo=[192.168.1.146]) by bosauthsmtp08.eigbox.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim) id 1Vq1xA-0002rp-04 for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 09:36:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 06:36:49 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Refurb Questions - Shifter chrome ring and rubber boot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Any of our dedicated Sunbeam suppliers have the chrome ring and the rubber boot for the shift lever? Rather get those form one of our own than NPD or elsewhere. larry -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 9 10:18:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBA4430B8 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 10:18:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from out01.mta.xmission.com (out01.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3494054A for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 09:15:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx01.mta.xmission.com ([166.70.13.211]) by out01.mta.xmission.com with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Vq2rV-0005LT-6R; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 08:35:09 -0700 Received: from mta1.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.65]) by mx01.mta.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Vq2rS-00078e-Dj; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 08:35:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta1.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BCB21C429D; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 08:35:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta1.zcs.xmission.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta1.zcs.xmission.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XwExGNPzRzT0; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 08:35:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from LynnWallPC (c-76-23-31-210.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [76.23.31.210]) (Authenticated sender: cars@wt-inc.com) by mta1.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EC1EA1C429F; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 08:35:05 -0700 (MST) From: "Lynn" To: "'Terry Packer'" , , References: <7514c.6f5700cd.3fd4cf8a@aol.com> <1386457889.34030.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 08:35:05 -0700 Thread-Index: AQFJt+5/WQihJxBeA5+BMJpCeQx2qgEge8eum010MoA= Content-Language: en-us DCC_CHECK_NEGATIVE, T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG, T_XMDrugObfuBody_08, TooManyTo_001, TooManyTo_002 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 SMTP * 0.5 TooManyTo_002 Multiple "To" Header Recipients 3x (uncommon) * 0.3 TooManyTo_001 Multiple "To" Header Recipients 2x (uncommon) * 0.0 T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG BODY: T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG * -0.0 BAYES_20 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 5 to 20% * [score: 0.0549] * -0.0 DCC_CHECK_NEGATIVE Not listed in DCC * [sa05 1397; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1] * 1.0 T_XMDrugObfuBody_08 obfuscated drug references , Subject: Re: [Tigers] ScotchBrite Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I just finished restoring a 1929 visible gas pump with the original glass cylinder. The bottom of the cylinder had some rust and other deposits on it. I used grey scotchbrite, lightly, and it worked well. I did not see any scratches when done. I also worked in a little water to lubricate. Good luck -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Terry Packer Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:11 PM To: Rollright@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] ScotchBrite Jim Here's a re-post of a message from 2012. I'm not aware of anyone responding with additional Scotch pad colors. "The pads of different colors are of different hardness. Green will most definitely scratch glass. Generally, white will not scratch glass and can be safely used on shower walls, etc. There are also at least a maroon and a grey generally found at auto supply stores which are suitable for working out scratches in stainless steel which has a visible "grain". I have used white successfully on a glass shower wall and the gray and maroon worked wonders to restore a stainless kitchen exhaust hood someone had previously marred by applying an abrasive cleaner in a circular motion. However, gray and maroon will scratch or cloud stainless with only a plain smooth finish. Terry Packer 9470018 ________________________________ From: "Rollright@aol.com" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 11:22 AM Subject: [Tigers] ScotchBrite Hello, What color ScotchBrite will NOT scratch glass, guys ? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE TAC 0763 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/packertl3@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 9 10:25:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A14431BC for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 10:25:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f49.google.com (mail-pa0-f49.google.com [209.85.220.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568824041C for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 09:49:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id kx10so170587pab.36 for ; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 08:46:11 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0gjAio6jnB2tBYJ31YDFeGMXI4YuAdtokN3UPS/h2wc=; b=l3NErnA8EKaqhbFOk7MxMGTVs0GR3jrhqJ0CKb+D5NUIpAkbHHG1sQw3ajkvPj1pK8 tHnaZu0DyqJ9eDu4X5fXPrUWD3mHYhxAa/3zTvtq+lmohHWGSEXCqeUmH2qWfrw7Drze XsekxmHsEUogzbLb42OJ/JKLb0Li8/zsPQOEnkZIOWfvXGKkZ/N0Dn+GSbLO6tIjhL4+ xqBWQ0HcdBFBf/gdjZ0aJKKEJdTSRTLWHeUYNeuEns+Wdf4QbsSg81ML0LBLHYMXeoe7 xc60/tsiXBAT2R64cPdCMCdd0JkfvC58KcqYsAr1nnBswF0iEu5GeSQIUWePdLXNWzG+ 0X7Q== si10mr22185684pbc.13.1386607571208; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 08:46:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.137.73 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 08:46:11 -0800 (PST) References: <52A5D581.7030609@mayfco.com> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 11:46:11 -0500 From: Mark Rense To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Refurb Questions - Shifter chrome ring and rubber boot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I bought my last one from Rick, should still be in catalog. On Monday, December 9, 2013, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Any of our dedicated Sunbeam suppliers have the chrome ring and the rubber > boot for the shift lever? Rather get those form one of our own than NPD or > elsewhere. > > larry > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark44124@ > gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 9 10:41:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B48740410 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 10:41:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EABD403DD for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 10:22:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id F0890701AB858 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 12:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mfb004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.207]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 91BFAE000090 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 12:19:39 -0500 (EST) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 12:19:39 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1386609579; bh=PJ+BH0CcJYVDT3K/uNcalM9nIuzQgdiWgYfvoln6uIc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=py4r53iupF6uKpK/iejyMzDGdpH4sIb0ed+llJGpPLk91ioKwah/9WQZ7BnM8UwKM CoVnvxqxrnldgmcPn1vVgvTgJAstVYII6NqHMKB0dxWx5GJg5SLRor7QMkQzIZpDaM +A38JZopvk7GR8mM2SkzdZqVEkcGJG00pMPm3OBc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a52a5fbab1048 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ScotchBrite Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.amazon.com/Scotch-Brite-Greener-Clean-Non-Scratch-2-Pack/dp/B002B DUPOK In a message dated 12/9/2013 9:15:57 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, cars@wt-inc.com writes: scotchbrite _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 9 16:55:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F2D40523 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 16:55:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepi107.cox.net (fed1rmfepi107.cox.net [68.230.241.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C3440407 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 16:08:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo109 ([68.230.241.158]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131209212609.DMZ3221.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo109> for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 16:26:09 -0500 Received: from computer ([68.4.150.82]) by fed1rmimpo109 with cox id zZS81m00z1mueg401ZS9Hp; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 16:26:09 -0500 a=KB+w4nY6Z11KGwv0HtALUA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=AVmxfYfq345gPc_EQFoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=c7cbNPQmE-7LKvEi5VsA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=AOz84sE5ZjWPVNsZ:21 a=KB+w4nY6Z11KGwv0HtALUA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Mountjoy" To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 13:27:37 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] 5-bolt 289 block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all, I need a correct 5-bolt bell, 289 block for the Le Mans Coupe. The previous block broke and is basically a boat anchor. I'd prefer a bare block with standard bore & main caps but would consider a complete motor. I would consider an .020" over bore. The blocks I'm looking for would have the casting numbers of: 260 blocks: C3OE-B C4OE-B C4OE-E 289 blocks: C3AE-N C4OE-C C4OE-F I found one locally in SoCal but it's .060 over now and needs the bores cleaned up. I found a standard bore in Colorado but the shipping charges of ~$500. would kill me. Anyone near the SoCal area have any leads ? Thanks ! I really appreciate your help Darrell _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 9 18:21:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFF543106 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 18:21:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CB740434 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 17:14:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id F1A1A7000009B; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 19:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mfb004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.207]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7B6C2E000083; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 19:04:45 -0500 (EST) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 19:04:45 -0500 (EST) To: dsmtjoy@cox.net, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1386633885; bh=0mz6pR62pqlEzR48dc71uF1l6sDShcPeLPiA7YZGV9w=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ksWCOQ8OiyaexbVPufpK1sntybgSMDtA9u7bEkhDESKetFENZVZfzOLMUX1Yj5EgP tQ5m5t4rmw5Kw+kaXvKPmRnHXzHLU8SjeruqEJI93T1II1QCsh7sjQro+vHLahwa41 mAZExSno+YqLCaKSxkTMtF1mjDa9/J0SuQJ7vBbA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c52a65a9d24f3 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 5-bolt 289 block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I did a search here (http://car-part.com/index.htm) for 5 bolt 289 hydraulic lifters engine came up with 1 in Tracy, Ca. Lots of other searches available. HTH In a message dated 12/9/2013 3:53:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dsmtjoy@cox.net writes: Hi all, I need a correct 5-bolt bell, 289 block for the Le Mans Coupe. The previous block broke and is basically a boat anchor. I'd prefer a bare block with standard bore & main caps but would consider a complete motor. I would consider an .020" over bore. The blocks I'm looking for would have the casting numbers of: 260 blocks: C3OE-B C4OE-B C4OE-E 289 blocks: C3AE-N C4OE-C C4OE-F I found one locally in SoCal but it's .060 over now and needs the bores cleaned up. I found a standard bore in Colorado but the shipping charges of ~$500. would kill me. Anyone near the SoCal area have any leads ? Thanks ! I really appreciate your help Darrell _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 9 21:38:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06C8430DD for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 21:38:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepi102.cox.net (fed1rmfepi102.cox.net [68.230.241.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62E44044A for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 20:57:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo305 ([68.230.241.173]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131210014033.QLLJ8940.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305> for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 20:40:33 -0500 Received: from computer ([68.4.150.82]) by fed1rmimpo305 with cox id zdgY1m0081mueg401dgYJv; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 20:40:32 -0500 a=KB+w4nY6Z11KGwv0HtALUA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zLOJgAo_VcwA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=KiuECDkgAAAA:8 a=f5vKmKjyomJLs_C5iawA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=QW3FOx5zEaC20WjZf2AA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=y7QG9xNwkI195F9X:21 a=KB+w4nY6Z11KGwv0HtALUA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Mountjoy" To: , References: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 17:41:47 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 5-bolt 289 block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm going through the resources. Thanks for this referral ! Darrell ----- Original Message ----- From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: dsmtjoy@cox.net ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 5-bolt 289 block I did a search here (http://car-part.com/index.htm) for 5 bolt 289 hydraulic lifters engine came up with 1 in Tracy, Ca. Lots of other searches available. HTH In a message dated 12/9/2013 3:53:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dsmtjoy@cox.net writes: Hi all, I need a correct 5-bolt bell, 289 block for the Le Mans Coupe. The previous block broke and is basically a boat anchor. I'd prefer a bare block with standard bore & main caps but would consider a complete motor. I would consider an .020" over bore. The blocks I'm looking for would have the casting numbers of: 260 blocks: C3OE-B C4OE-B C4OE-E 289 blocks: C3AE-N C4OE-C C4OE-F I found one locally in SoCal but it's .060 over now and needs the bores cleaned up. I found a standard bore in Colorado but the shipping charges of ~$500. would kill me. Anyone near the SoCal area have any leads ? Thanks ! I really appreciate your help Darrell _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 12 15:16:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E239742F27 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:16:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bosmailout16.eigbox.net (unknown [66.96.186.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5418540325 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:45:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from bosmailscan10.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.10]) by bosmailout16.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1VrE1f-0006lR-Cm for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:42:31 -0500 Received: from bosimpout04.eigbox.net ([10.20.55.4]) by bosmailscan10.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1VrE1f-0001z8-0P for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:42:31 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp04.eigbox.net ([10.20.18.4]) by bosimpout04.eigbox.net with NO UCE id 0liV1n00F05GATN01liVyL; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:42:30 -0500 a=tMK9iinponzxkr7Ra8a0mw==:17 a=OPgJcfM40kIA:10 a=n0KVGEqHWhAA:10 a=vCmYvH-yAvYA:10 a=kEh8VdYBrxAA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Or_tTDS8AAAA:8 a=wI9cqG4FA4YA:10 a=IZMdYmqBvk_l4Uro_1UA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=_Wp6at51ZPwA:10 a=Nxzikz-XCAkA:10 a=jcMFiYeD4Gz02xRQ37rMPA==:117 Received: from [67.202.157.146] (port=1433 helo=[192.168.1.148]) by bosauthsmtp04.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1VrE1c-0002jO-Re for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:42:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 13:42:17 -0800 From: Drmayf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Top Loader Speedo drive gear tooth count... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Any one know what the inside the trans tail shaft case, on the output shaft, what the drive gear which turns the driven speedo gear is? larry _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 12 16:52:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4151B42F44 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:52:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80BD42A58 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:36:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0ib41n0040b6N64A7nWKvK; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 23:30:19 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.11] ([76.21.20.54]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0nWJ1n00S1A0Pqc8PnWJk7; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 23:30:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:30:17 -0800 From: Tom Hall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: Drmayf References: <52AA2DB9.3050209@mayfco.com> s=q20121106; t=1386891019; bh=e0vwBfVNn7KTpJ12Ki9DTdGVrPd/I3oXXqAGAeN2vNg=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=ab8R3c+rGdbgEnU0F9qMJhJv3iOO/Sn+RXwkLyN308Xk0Xuxa6E9ceqQq3vfkqTPm cR+d4ZgK1cGSb3Q1nQ2OxAsUjkOcNGXQdOdskLwS97M8HzqIIi3OKZnHsUnKdY+nRY YIV1apX8OiZYa1oB4S6kzEr0C7oidrfFtvOdGXhlITZ3GtBwZvyZEViOYRO6GCQnvH KwzDiNzvXf4MMrS/gcqMWior+fnrHZoc8L5yz7ZvDCWQHMtF3MVniSnyp9yOpfROu2 IcnklVB0Jq0oiojj/6v+kSHLrdHTwEZShrow/8c809mn/TOhL/dIiNlF4WTFlK2aOv whUTkv5+GbkHw== Cc: Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Top Loader Speedo drive gear tooth count... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/12/2013 1:42 PM, Drmayf wrote: > Any one know what the inside the trans tail shaft case, on the output > shaft, what the drive gear which turns the driven speedo gear is? > > larry Yes, it's a 6 tooth count gear, but it's not the same as the later 6 tooth gears used on T5's. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 12 17:02:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1984442F1F for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 17:02:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bosmailout09.eigbox.net (bosmailout09.eigbox.net [66.96.189.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AC940451 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:57:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from bosmailscan07.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.7]) by bosmailout09.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1VrG3w-0007a4-Od for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 18:53:00 -0500 Received: from bosimpout03.eigbox.net ([10.20.55.3]) by bosmailscan07.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1VrG3w-0004Xe-TF; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 18:53:00 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp17.eigbox.net ([10.20.18.17]) by bosimpout03.eigbox.net with NO UCE id 0nt11n01W0N5uqq01nt12j; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 18:53:01 -0500 a=tMK9iinponzxkr7Ra8a0mw==:17 a=OPgJcfM40kIA:10 a=n0KVGEqHWhAA:10 a=d3E9Kn09DDAA:10 a=kEh8VdYBrxAA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Or_tTDS8AAAA:8 a=9a9-RJVIVX8A:10 a=DbfpsDlX4idAhC59ZzYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=f4kFLigMKr8AH7rIJ//qJA==:117 Received: from [67.202.157.146] (port=1490 helo=[192.168.1.148]) by bosauthsmtp17.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1VrG3x-0004ZO-Gs; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 18:53:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:52:43 -0800 From: Drmayf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: Tom Hall References: <52AA2DB9.3050209@mayfco.com> <52AA4709.6070700@comcast.net> Cc: Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Top Loader Speedo drive gear tooth count... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, Tom. Data is for me to be able to figure the effects of both gear ratio and tire size changes to get as close as I can. Good reason for one of them there ol' gps speedometers, eh? By the way, what's different between T5 and Top Loader drive gears? Heck, I guess it can only be ID, OD or thickness... Thanks, again! larry On 12/12/2013 3:30 PM, Tom Hall wrote: > On 12/12/2013 1:42 PM, Drmayf wrote: >> Any one know what the inside the trans tail shaft case, on the output >> shaft, what the drive gear which turns the driven speedo gear is? >> >> larry > Yes, it's a 6 tooth count gear, but it's not the same as the later 6 > tooth gears used on T5's. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 13 08:46:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7CF42F78 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2013 08:46:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D8E6143077 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2013 08:19:41 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1386947774; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=To:Date:Subject:Content-Type:From:Message-Id; b=bY05fUM4fnKfoXYr85Rf2fwAD4KF3QJo6NUZachgoU/olUdiAam2galTME0hHs5Rd oQV0fhfxqy6sRGfoeKlUSEM0zbI81UflMlBoQhk3PVLejTIQ3lHZulwyNQ1/NCCKz9 9CDxKw/tVB0EMBtbAva65zDEKSNpvQa90RgNpcwo= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (mailpop09.vgs.untd.com [10.181.45.29]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKLYKEZAVC4DU2 for (sender ); Fri, 13 Dec 2013 07:15:35 -0800 (PST) To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 07:14:59 -0800 From: Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Article Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I just received this via the LA Shelby club: http://autos.yahoo.com/news/sunbeam-tiger-carroll-other-shelby-174843445. html Some factual errors, but they did spell Sunbeam Tiger right.... 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On Saturday, December 14, 2013 1:29 PM, "tigers-request@autox.team.net" wrote: ----- Forwarded Message ----- Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. PowerBlock TV ???? (Drmayf) For the last couple of weeks, I have been unable to find Powerblock TV on Spike channel. Did they go belly up or what? larry -- drmayf _____________________________ Worlds Fastest Sunbeam. Period. 204.913 mph mile average 210.779 mph exit top speed _______________________________________________ Tigers mailing list Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 14 17:33:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F1240043 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 17:33:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFBE4043D for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 17:19:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D8E7A700000A3 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 19:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.212.205]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6183CE000081 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 19:06:41 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 19:06:41 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1387066001; bh=5JFT8ngdf0WdtHsYreROLPlwzng0LjM6o6JfLP0yJEI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LlmymV2cdB8C+8ZXbUKb7eG8pK68PVqRjwyQDLBrH7JKOOkv56nvcsaIFnvteJWhQ R+GDE6Ze6g89TiPwSIW+gYMi7G0kRtKDG6PVOmziE9dQX/Zzp90wtQ+a4ekhPU5XCg N7Triv7XESYntqFBEqqdPWX5yMkyHb0x0Cux/yvQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca52acf2912f3f Subject: [Tigers] e-bay last night Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, I need some help in understanding.... Last night, Friday night, a lot of parts, including a taillight lens, an ammeter, a doorstop, some conv. top frame chrome rods, a fuse block and cover, and so on. went for $ 305.00 US What was in that assembly of parts that drove the price up so very high? I am vexed ! Help me understand what was the unobtanium here. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE TAC 0763 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 14 18:00:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E344D43016 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 18:00:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F2140546 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 17:52:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7DAFD7003F601 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 19:49:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.212.205]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 512E7E000085 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 19:49:50 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 19:49:50 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1387068590; bh=M5UZAXdijSHtXHmjiVGM3/eVbHEteTSspUDKxgPS2XY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ucGsE578iZhlZI8IYbpppGd+nz6aU+dY/n/X8h7ZPCEnUF8gSJVgKP8uhJLz9UNv1 EeqERRAk3Whdl4Zcfkn5MFqcN0gxHxhdn+9eJsTMDAR0O2i4wb3K6BbhSmQp55Avf8 B15HvHiaoC0+QyqqTa4YMjnL8j7Ehabp01bVSbxw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d52acfcae2665 Subject: [Tigers] very expensive ebay listing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay et al, I should have put the listing number on the note I just sent, the one where a rather innocent kit of parts went for $ 305 Listing number is item number 181278460903 So what drove it over the moon, do you think? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE TAC 0763 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 14 18:28:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26ED142EFB for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 18:28:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745E640405 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 18:13:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.100.102] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2013 01:10:18 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.169] by tm101.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2013 01:10:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1080.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2013 01:10:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 52443 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2013 01:10:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387069818; bh=MP0k3GLCYrcU4MsYkH8WM+f6YACY7QJn93m8B3WGO04=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ixMX48U8NQr/E7wVSoubS7g+Dw/AxihHbQfMZrl6vweGnicI30dkvM9lsCQxpnuFDOShoBRhO6QgsU+bVRxmk70EddrpNlqTghaEtX9kwclmEo3wNszS7jv6Zgzkx19vXHnBzJuCItDmVRnCZ6Qlv6vmFv3GcDbPtqQPmiXSgZs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=B8h7HJmeWlCk/WqgxSTiF1tefo7GW5H8J1Iav2HjzyWs7qM0GGJd2l9NgKyN1Qgkb+wYLpanoEsufSd8xDE22mW3URfnhdvjDDUB+vhictMjSApb8MjmbK+4ufkzG0UBL6oeMd7zOdhQOS1EyEqDJxBKS1jGzOtMrZZY0GvNwEQ=; 1K1W7hF6EtNSyuhnlz9itaj.g.Q3Wu_bt3UFstOAGSUT59A3KSY8Et9tyqTe GsVDYOmqlr2Udgp53pZ4O5C81yqCz1EI0H.VQqgtwlrizO64L.1L8kLtBxHo 92wkOQZf6DFKMZZGlcugZfRIhSXN4CAxhXrkgR3JLQdkkdXH6MeR4qUStp2e K.ftKJYOWSRkl_c39Fcz06..CDpoubZvvspo_jePr4hkWNVrQnMhUw_KWRuc 3uwvGu0FI5M8Te.7DfPssMDGoc2Af7EEMhvTXBYapeYTEuvbsLS2RVd.7mDj iiowuxsnQRMr7l79PirbDoTjQRpSR56xEAhH5Bbx20seu0IstLsnHcR7.08b _ftBv9j97Yr.4VyQhJ62t9RYjzqIstRjP20Rq2CjtX45Cjqkfi6InnTV8voz is1mIQ5xynb7zOuxWluv8uwtixoY7BXa3GrM7eL3BaJSTBKprUMs5z5Jvg4V 7c8EiW3tq2irtelo.uEsAqzXPeVLJbzzIv8YEt973CSZjqQhZYYdPQSztPYI huJHG8Dm5CaURAw64mJ6wztCQwes_538btkOUgPRzmvB4JuVygV44XoLiMcx M9cfc3FRK Received: from [97.93.177.222] by web121905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 17:10:18 PST SSBkaWRuJ3Qgc2VlIGFueXRoaW5nIHNwZWNpYWwuIE1heWJlIGlmIHRoZSBtaXJyb3IgaXMgYSBnZW51aW5lIFRhbGJvdCBhbmQgaW4gZ3JlYXQgc2hhcGUuIEkgY2VydGFpbmx5IGhhdmUgYSBiZXR0ZXIgbWl4IGluIHdoYXQgbGl0dGxlIHJlbWFpbnMgb2YgbXkgc3BhcmUgcGFydHMgaW52ZW50b3J5IHBhcnRzLCBzbyBtYXliZSBJIHNob3VsZCBoYXZlIGFuIGVCYXkgYmxvd291dCBhdWN0aW9uLgoKU3RlcGhlbiBXYXlicmlnaHQKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogIlIBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 17:10:18 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Waybright To: "Rollright@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] very expensive ebay listing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I didn't see anything special. Maybe if the mirror is a genuine Talbot and in great shape. I certainly have a better mix in what little remains of my spare parts inventory parts, so maybe I should have an eBay blowout auction. Stephen Waybright ________________________________ From: "Rollright@aol.com" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 6:49 PM Subject: [Tigers] very expensive ebay listing Jay et al, I should have put the listing number on the note I just sent, the one where a rather innocent kit of parts went for $ 305 Listing number is item number 181278460903 So what drove it over the moon, do you think? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE TAC 0763 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 14 19:41:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DD942713 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 19:41:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f51.google.com (mail-oa0-f51.google.com [209.85.219.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04C64043D for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 19:32:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id i7so3640792oag.38 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 18:29:41 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Rg/49sAbmOQWtQ2u9F33YCJTj6/T1C58P4q33OABZRw=; b=ngVBHZM2dvDLmh1jH+J0IrW/xD9aONMkTlx5v1y0MOfCg11aSZguhHH5WfLw7E2h9B W5c8Q0mcC24XR+miW4CcLN4vIgLjfpZtRLg0T1nqVXczV/FixKTlg1OXvPIlANhMVLik j+vrt0u7tcQpG1sdXrsB6HPDSSJ8kND8nT9IIVmrDi+dZnh8/wmm3ZVGtWHAPuX7FGwG ziHfaPOG3ioxQvWslDJg6teMF6vQbozDYBEKMLwOl7rN6+K0jo0z0UyRQEA3fofXJzGc Ld/6e07xfPUl9YCLJdhvFjGPRa+7HL0cGV+i/2f4/7AweXbUVHTMCxH4atLZzL+p+Qw1 LPKw== s5mr7013836obf.35.1387074581292; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 18:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.228.65 with HTTP; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 18:29:41 -0800 (PST) References: <1387069818.21867.YahooMailNeo@web121905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 10:29:41 +0800 From: michael king To: Stephen Waybright Cc: "Rollright@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] very expensive ebay listing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net While the pricve is a littel on the high side the flase floor mounting brackets can go for decent $ by themselves, the rear sheilds if nice also can ell for good money.. i looked at the mirror... not a real talbot one.. you can see the screw head on the point sticking out.. talbost are matches ot the shape of the mirror body. I'd say its a good price for the stuf... but if you needed a few of those harerder to find bits. i dont see it as to insane.. a good set of original rear sheilds is worth alomst that often On 15 December 2013 09:10, Stephen Waybright wrote: > I didn't see anything special. Maybe if the mirror is a genuine Talbot and > in > great shape. I certainly have a better mix in what little remains of my > spare > parts inventory parts, so maybe I should have an eBay blowout auction. > Stephen Waybright > > > ________________________________ > From: > "Rollright@aol.com" > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: > Saturday, December 14, 2013 6:49 PM > Subject: [Tigers] very expensive ebay > listing > > > Jay et al, > I should have put the listing number on the note I just > sent, the one > where a rather innocent kit of parts went for $ 305 > Listing > number is item number 181278460903 > So what drove it over the moon, do you > think? > > > > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > TAC 0763 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 15 10:31:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA4E42F55 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 10:31:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C13940414 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 10:30:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 84F857019506D for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 12:27:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-msa004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.77]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 41535E000086 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 12:27:33 -0500 (EST) From: BEAU2EVE@aol.com Full-name: BEAU2EVE Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 12:27:33 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1387128453; bh=GoX5haI7xQaIhkAkXaNMnmWWobWkIIRa+rKv/ae/zlQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sFG5k/h8FfteGChOFDIOvW6DAxbPm6QcSeZ85MbbVvMlcufx5tR4HIaggsNu0TUHQ ZliAiDTFQU9TFakGpoVhajYv8iCykUtsnPXTnA07nC5cjJLUebRdbyG/4NrydKLr+V z0f4fZZtWcn0lgA2xTInbh2woHVfJSSvqSGIWCag= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b52ade6857181 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 407 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For anyone interested Veloucity c Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. PowerBlock TV ???? (Drmayf) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:36:39 -0800 From: Drmayf To: Land-speed@autox.team.net, Tiger e-mail List Subject: [Tigers] PowerBlock TV ???? For the last couple of weeks, I have been unable to find Powerblock TV on Spike channel. Did they go belly up or what? larry -- drmayf _____________________________ Worlds Fastest Sunbeam. Period. 204.913 mph mile average 210.779 mph exit top speed ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tigers mailing list Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers End of Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 407 ************************************** _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 15 10:35:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5739142787 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 10:35:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E80140414 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 10:35:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.175]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C43F470194003 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 12:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-msa004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.77]) by mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 91AB13800021C for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 12:32:40 -0500 (EST) From: BEAU2EVE@aol.com Full-name: BEAU2EVE Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 12:32:40 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1387128760; bh=93jeNdVxYRadNw7+Jd/LDgfvDEMhWMdxa9dyJwz10XQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=l+b2I5TdytP2H8AxigGeqyKffmgkcRTd5g7uZ5Yc5Eosanbb/saOz/2PHjbDnXeAI CuHEG3vrT/ggrcmY6w0slnMCZXPs2YSdVRoJyxkwloarpDfzRwyoqIwuV25Bcip7KH 1u1VDbWyz3B8J4gDVqb2+u28X9VF++gb7ixpLrlo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afeaf52ade7b81811 Subject: [Tigers] car show on the tube Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The Velocity channel has a lot of different car related shows on the tube. Just in case your interested. Beau _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 16 19:49:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9951642F8C for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:49:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C5042F0C for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:48:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo109 ([68.230.241.158]) by fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131217024538.NJYV26500.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo109> for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:45:38 -0500 Received: from laptop ([68.229.224.237]) by fed1rmimpo109 with cox id 2Slc1n01857wa9801SldCa; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:45:38 -0500 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=9_WqYtbWlx8A:10 a=M_zMghYuLX9Fc6ov2akA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=JRTgYg5McHxGOZh87XEA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=awtiger@cox.net From: "Andy Walker" To: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:45:31 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac760ZFf8NEKCFh4SSePP2+1zH6KqA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hey, guys: If I remember correctly, some time back there was a discussion about stock-sized aluminum radiators being available. Did I dream that or was that for real? I'm considering replacing the radiator in my Mk1A but I want to keep the stock size unit in it so I can run the stock fan shroud without any modifications. Is this possible? Can someone point me toward the place where I could get one of these jewels? Thanks a million, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 16 20:14:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB4242F12 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:14:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3774642F0C for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:14:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.5]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A3D72700000BD; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 22:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [107.16.79.141] (unknown [107.16.79.141]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 42B95E000091; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 22:11:13 -0500 (EST) References: <000001cefad2$0e038170$2a0a8450$@cox.net> From: Jeff Hefner Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 22:11:13 -0500 To: Andy Walker x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1387249873; bh=r6FbPuF72coRjQkgiZ6i38MJDI8Fn4hcdB3ExJMK1IA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=M1aNTdeEIl9X7xXlkbSRN6XFoP5IPdtiujFtqohfT60R9qXqQDWCUYi/12topcJiN lzivKbNGSeiod2JOogI+QvR3IDQAtFJHJwwjLXoJU7y8adh1JYuQeJPu63TI04KrQa t9h6dloEfSsADr+vehx4wurJB36ZuB87AjgFGag0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290552afc0d157cb Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ron Davis makes a perfect fit, the stock shroud fits. rondavisradiators.com Jeff Hefner B9470028 Sent from my iPad On Dec 16, 2013, at 9:45 PM, "Andy Walker" wrote: > Hey, guys: > > > > If I remember correctly, some time back there was a discussion about > stock-sized aluminum radiators being available. Did I dream that or was > that for real? I'm considering replacing the radiator in my Mk1A but I want > to keep the stock size unit in it so I can run the stock fan shroud without > any modifications. Is this possible? Can someone point me toward the place > where I could get one of these jewels? > > > > Thanks a million, > > Andy Walker > > Edmond, OK > > B382001600LRXFE > > TAC #740 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jhef101@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 16 20:28:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3F940323 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:28:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BAD6742F0C for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:28:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.165] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2013 03:24:50 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.251] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2013 03:24:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2013 03:24:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 22137 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2013 03:24:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387250689; bh=2Prj2f4DcDVfI7GOarcIbrMFUpuMV7C9Jj1HcXiZF9s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=D5gCwe6MtdmRDidu6cF2P6h4TTiyT38g2vrAzSmtSvQJlJ1BWDgGfuDrWqKwuzLTDT8OGAz8bTinawWD7dPQizkLZ4DPDYCj2823sB1abv21SgqTW/Yy5PnwKx70SHasTTGVf1/LKGqIgOXpVgEHvd6/q6XmN1KjpKk5OAlG6XA= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W2ZeIyb4cIuBuimJd2OrVnxQhAHJh9JCZlDz1D786Z3HOg6AEd5WrrPStubnVxyJ0Gl2StG1N4OnZqYiRJDpEIrDc8v+vzjSIYVlp2GpYVnFuSCpLpSDzAO/D3kd9n5iJzIgZx/3HXOwoFUGDJtl8KRtxc7AFIg7ZAw2cp/lkps=; Gq_xFHzsGeEIrSQ6kLAHtyA5hV9CqRpSTZFWuycQtrUAltkDDl5W0raAUr6E tuojy00PrEOVezMZpHUIA30Z1MJUcZZu97seDiATyaSMJfppkwlp1Fv1kvOb 2YIwaFavyWXGizOH9XD3.7x18WHrBWSzkU__dJ30z4GXW7ucyJTBmGPU82O2 AVeEMbjnZI03i4S2i41WLz4WaJixXlaJ76SfoO01lG.ejd77ijzvSlYFchAu gAclt5BNmgsJFTIiq52rJHLRHQicm_CxTQjgvzG.np2CivBIx_dc7D9xkCKe umMsWak3xCACRDFzZeEyGULv2hMgTB83yGBupx_RHxbSOwrXaWTchesM4Cvw VKng2iTW9ZRVXKW23pGcZxw4yfPv7GlH88TUW8Kl5eMZpKwG4keaar9MHpam FE4_4O4sq3fQFYa.wdvzaPx3btj4QGwAbBg_p.GoxFbODa7Cj8D._ZvVC62M 99q8To7mwCsqGKtb7ZvPKiDT2Evv9cOXFdJaALOKU5aoNMKqmW9_Mhi645n5 PiSaL.TmmKAjqVoAavNb2coNq07KM.TklCD3_D_s75mClwTW2WN3CSTwMt3g rPtFL3b2Rk.i2S1jr Received: from [172.8.26.185] by web185304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:24:49 PST R3JpZmZpbiBSYWRpYXRvcnMgbWFkZSBvbmUgYSB3aGlsZSBiYWNrLiBJIGhhdmUgb25lIGluIG15IFRpZ2VyLCBpdCBzZWVtcyB0byBmaXQgd2VsbC4gSSBkb24ndCBoYXZlIHRoZSBzaHJvdWQgb24gaXQgc28gY2FuJ3QgY29tbWVudCBhYm91dCB0aGF0IHBhcnQgb2YgdGhlIGZpdG1lbnQuCgpTYW5keQogCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogQW5keSBXYWxrZXIgPGF3dGlnZXJAY294Lm5ldD4KVG86IHRpZ2Vyc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCAKU2VudDogTW9uZGF5LCBEZWMBMAEBAQE- References: <000001cefad2$0e038170$2a0a8450$@cox.net> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:24:49 -0800 (PST) From: Sandy Ganz To: Andy Walker , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Griffin Radiators made one a while back. I have one in my Tiger, it seems to fit well. I don't have the shroud on it so can't comment about that part of the fitment. Sandy ________________________________ From: Andy Walker To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 6:45 PM Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum radiators Hey, guys: If I remember correctly, some time back there was a discussion about stock-sized aluminum radiators being available. Did I dream that or was that for real? I'm considering replacing the radiator in my Mk1A but I want to keep the stock size unit in it so I can run the stock fan shroud without any modifications. Is this possible? Can someone point me toward the place where I could get one of these jewels? Thanks a million, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 16 21:13:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9609842F33 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:13:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f48.google.com (mail-pb0-f48.google.com [209.85.160.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65AA042A55 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:10:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id md12so6400396pbc.7 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:07:19 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ufjGi6pqNdKGhfmyHcrwdNeARgHroh5TAOJ9zJUqeVc=; b=xJNQJmDOZFe6BVQ3bdQlCupy8Tkqh+vjR0SamMy4cv2Jka1gDzN+UvCL59NoV31Dj0 Q1FGbSVL3FeBM1qG0yaX0a3rMNnkklLpeOiuZHcGrJVeAj6Mh0oHZ3XWfgK8JJjkjehl /ndWoI067IIKRYpULctUttCBo7CB11WCov/mtvNDDnOSaDl2vI+e0ynh9MC7cvhYl1aK vYEPpQ8bQN4RAzZ3uYVMGiIA5okG2BxlZgnBt1PdRaIEB6K+at66EnAXGvt/cJ3Emn9Z F2QAABJsUUrLHG9tjDUbplBYAkGeXKoqIkxuYxwdKxskQGovRH1YIC0m655Pt/p3U27r FxhQ== vf4mr24594729pbc.131.1387253239587; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:07:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.79.104 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:07:19 -0800 (PST) References: <000001cefad2$0e038170$2a0a8450$@cox.net> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 23:07:19 -0500 From: Alexander Washick To: Andy Walker Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dale A in Ca.http://www.dalesresto.com has his own he designed ( 2 - 1 1/2 tubes I believe) and has it made overseas. He used to sell the Griffin as he was a dealer but they said he buy enough and shut him off. Told me his much better then their's and it bolts right with standard mounts and shroud ( about 3/4 " thicker). My Tiger in Florida is a mildly modified 302 with air conditioning and is a daily driver. I installed one 5 years ago with a 16" cooling fan and run around and sit in traffic with no problems at all. Put the hardtop on in May thru Oct. and I am one cool dude with no cooling issues at all. I love it!! Al On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Andy Walker wrote: > Hey, guys: > > > > If I remember correctly, some time back there was a discussion about > stock-sized aluminum radiators being available. Did I dream that or was > that for real? I'm considering replacing the radiator in my Mk1A but I > want > to keep the stock size unit in it so I can run the stock fan shroud without > any modifications. Is this possible? Can someone point me toward the > place > where I could get one of these jewels? > > > > Thanks a million, > > Andy Walker > > Edmond, OK > > B382001600LRXFE > > TAC #740 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/alw6464@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 17 10:04:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD0742F7F for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:04:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f180.google.com (mail-ig0-f180.google.com [209.85.213.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B094C400A5 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:50:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ig0-f180.google.com with SMTP id uq1so6780118igb.1 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 08:46:50 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:thread-index; bh=hfAxgnQiZ/rfw8i0FMq4EJobYnEdK3YiEaE0zjgEDeg=; b=iwGdw+8Lmxdkin1KuLLi4PZb2570QgeFdPCfRrAIVdKnTgbSsavsgdzJcHbE+DocEO DxBAqg0peTgnQgyHU4sKnQBSXCCBgFI0/4mPVRLKCWL/LZRZ3LJ6egNqDKAKsVrNkqT4 wIp4GiMqpdffbobNeDBPy+h7v3nNtkc57Cw5awxtmKTpu8pc+Ie5rgCp7m6cMiTEuL6u Iw8MQZEiY3EyRJmMxlIR/O0tbJC78i2XnqA4E+VYEDTGOdjzUE9vzd+ylQ//tRnSaxUo C/zZ9vZ02Tpj9KCzR08+7X3V7VSDe4gd5Uo6Okrw1d0Q1va0JtIBpovMLjPVqhACcviG hhug== or2mr16840352icb.19.1387298810043; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 08:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from delld630 (adsl-75-10-144-113.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net. [75.10.144.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j16sm22537060igf.6.2013.12.17.08.46.48 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Dec 2013 08:46:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Mark Rense" To: References: <000001cefad2$0e038170$2a0a8450$@cox.net> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:46:48 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac760ZFf8NEKCFh4SSePP2+1zH6KqAAcseAg Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Andy, I had a Griffin in one of my cars for many years using the stock mounts and stock shroud without issue. The aluminum core is about a 1/2" thicker than stock but slightly thinner than a modern 3-row core which is what is in the car now. In any case I had no issues with water pump shaft clearance on my car. I had to replace the Griffin when coming back from the Pittsburgh Gran Prix on I-80 a couple years ago the harmonic balancer came apart, embedding pieces into the core. I considered myself lucky that the radiator and timing cover were the only casualties. The balancer was new when the 289 was rebuilt in 2004, I have since upgraded to SFI-Approved balancers on all my street cars. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andy Walker Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 9:46 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum radiators Hey, guys: If I remember correctly, some time back there was a discussion about stock-sized aluminum radiators being available. Did I dream that or was that for real? I'm considering replacing the radiator in my Mk1A but I want to keep the stock size unit in it so I can run the stock fan shroud without any modifications. Is this possible? Can someone point me toward the place where I could get one of these jewels? Thanks a million, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 17 16:12:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEE743027 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 16:12:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s29.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s29.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA9D42EF4 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:31:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU169-W43 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:27:58 -0800 From: Brent Edinger To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:27:58 -0800 References: FILETIME=[799D21E0:01CEFB66] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 409 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net - > I put a fluidyne in my car from Dale A last summer. It's about 3/4" thicker than the stock one. With the stock shroud I found the fan was all the way inside the shroud and had bad airflow at idle. So I made a new shroud that compensates for the extra thickness so the fan stick out the back of the shroud about 3/4". Some guys I hear run them with no shroud but I think you get better controlled airflow with it. Brent > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:45:31 -0600 > From: "Andy Walker" > To: > Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum radiators > Message-ID: <000001cefad2$0e038170$2a0a8450$@cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hey, guys: > > > > If I remember correctly, some time back there was a discussion about > stock-sized aluminum radiators being available. Did I dream that or was > that for real? I'm considering replacing the radiator in my Mk1A but I want > to keep the stock size unit in it so I can run the stock fan shroud without > any modifications. Is this possible? Can someone point me toward the place > where I could get one of these jewels? > > > > Thanks a million, > > Andy Walker > > Edmond, OK > > B382001600LRXFE > > TAC #740 > > > ------------------------------ **************************** _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 17 16:17:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C34430EE for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 16:17:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepi206.cox.net (eastrmfepi206.cox.net [68.230.241.210]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BD742F0F for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:31:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131217221155.UYUD3872.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 17:11:55 -0500 Received: from eastrmwml207 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id 2mBv1n00G4h0NJL01mBvFg; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 17:11:55 -0500 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:17 a=YzlqkpD2_RsA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=UyHOC7Gu_PIA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=FPqYXBTaJo8A:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=ySc275LUXon3uOCw24sA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=XjbJxJ7v9ueQd7Xl:21 a=K1NeNSORN5wPJ7DR:21 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 204.61.12.74 by webmail.east.cox.net; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 17:11:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 17:11:55 -0500 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Re: Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Guys: Thanks for all the responses on the radiator. Gene Padgett sent me one that he wanted passed along to the group and, since his reply-to-all function isn't working on his computer, he asked me if I would do it for him. So, here you go... Andy > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 21:07:22 +0000 (UTC) > From: genepadgett@comcast.net > To: Andy Walker > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aluminum radiators > > Andy, for some reason, my reply to all function is not working. It does not like the tigers liss address in the cc space. I would like to share the info I sent you with everyone on the list. Would you please try to pass it along? Thanks, Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: genepadgett@comcast.net > To: "Andy Walker" > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:54:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aluminum radiators > > > > > > Hi Andy, > > > I bought a Griffin a couple of years ago. I only got around to installing it a few months ago and have not yet driven the car with it installed. However I did have some issues. > > > Apparently Griffin has a couple of designs for the Tiger that they can use. Somehow we must have agreed to use the "racing" version based on specs received from someone. I am thinking it may have been someone they referred to as "Tiger Tom" but am not sure. > > > Anyway, when I finally got around to installing it, I found it had no drain plug. Also, the side mounting flanges were welded flush with the front of the radiator. When I called them about these issues they said they explained the whole racing version thing, which matched the number on my box. They offered to install a drain plug for me free if I sent it back but I did not want to incur the shipping charges. As for the forward positioned mounting flanges, I just made some 1/4 inch spacers to take up the gap between the flanges and the body work. Since everything is aluminum, I did not want to just tighten the mounting bolts down hard and still have a gap at that mounting flange ear. > > > The person I talked to two years ago and again this year was a guy named "Benji". > > > As for the radiator otherwise, I looks exactly like the stock one, even down to the elbow connection for the top overflow hose connection. It comes in bare aluminum, but I painted it with Eastwood's special purpose high temp gloss radiator paint. Looks great, very stock and as others have said, the shroud fits nicely. > > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > n the stock fan shroud without > any modifications. Is this possible? Can someone point me toward the place > where I could get one of these jewels? > > > > Thanks a million, > > Andy Walker > > Edmond, OK > > B382001600LRXFE > > TAC #740 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 18 07:33:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B68D42F38 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 07:33:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f41.google.com (mail-qe0-f41.google.com [209.85.128.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39DF400A5 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 07:29:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f41.google.com with SMTP id gh4so6536351qeb.14 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 06:25:29 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=4TBqgHRE5TlPsd8kHmT6NuPqAjYaorw9MV4axESrSxw=; b=mxBwHdwNgPS43hjiYYSfgxcFbHqHSFLmMPxrrU/XtIoOpLQm4Rx3Tq2wkU2yPHr+rt E3kXmz6BLr4JrBFCgkPhNXF+jqytFaNwkwXlk9YK6w+3oHpwksieuKPsgk1NKhz86cBk mF5C08lawEvgeCNDkWCNU7iTu3kFiv4WKA6JGIeIVjMFM6XENpCVgtZrvjhLPL5LF5NW tnUnKSGrZ7T+JuENT2sQt2rf4ZWLOzHncaOYFX28EarT1hWMrQK99g5/u9f2PSP+uYUw xTqjUy8xZLfN+ejMFwzgg3HHFs6n6/dubTPNgMPZRwHYcDABRv9boAA/21MGwmFlF3Hh UbrQ== n16mr54094710qaa.42.1387376729857; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 06:25:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from OwnerPC (d-burl-bng1-64-223-109-150.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net. [64.223.109.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i7sm541002qeo.7.2013.12.18.06.25.27 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 18 Dec 2013 06:25:29 -0800 (PST) From: "robert jaarsma" <64venezia@gmail.com> To: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 09:25:26 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac77/PX3LhZl0XD5R2OBfF/J+EKR+g== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel restoration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Nowadays who is recommended for the restoration of my steering wheel? I had it wrapped in a cover for years, but I like to hold on to the wood again. It is not that bad, but needs tlc. Thanks, Robert _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 18 13:36:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDD443050 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:36:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f43.google.com (mail-qa0-f43.google.com [209.85.216.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE3E43021 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:27:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id ii20so4124765qab.9 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 12:23:47 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:from:content-type:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=MStnFb9FZRbGEcqJx6Z6LDSeEGUXkeSVDuiG6v3/qWE=; b=NSmCIDTGXle+473C9y1+XFVPcEDa7o5NOkv1jbj8jMcapbTEFv5tf1R547NZ2JxUjc 4hlYKAFmY4K5GDS/MNMaxOowVIOF8VwunSiVlWI9dGn6Q45nmp0KssVFgUiLgK6WRZ9w 8RZW25L0fsxPx5PpSdfIH3zu68XXiuA0RGe/oLi84IPfg7HhC1lWZasFr9d0k2TN5irs GWIPpbcDGc3Zo2Tlsbl/JQZr5GQfc3UtTam5JqZFMvaZeg1iCmSIR52rdKy2nIwjIajT w4SBYBwmxmSNR0SqCIgZakDYFhVoG686+IPLAu8jGdvxHboCJl6TV7TfbEq5FoWnWD4z NvmA== d5mr56807245qek.17.1387397750089; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 12:15:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (71-80-50-181.dhcp.mant.nc.charter.com. [71.80.50.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ki4sm3475086qeb.0.2013.12.18.12.15.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 18 Dec 2013 12:15:49 -0800 (PST) From: "H. B. Elam" Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:15:48 -0500 To: "64venezia@gmail.com" <64venezia@gmail.com>, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Steering wheel restoration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Robert, I have been pleased with the work Ken Corbin and Chris Reed did for me. Try creedo@ix.netcom.com. Or (303)364-5787. Or P.O. Box 31495, Aurora Colorado, 80041 Harry Elam B382000471 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 18 15:36:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329DF42F3F for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:36:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D4840075 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:08:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.175]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1F1FC7019460E for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 17:05:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mld002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mld002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.122.80]) by mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C5DBE3800008B for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 17:05:06 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 17:05:06 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1387404307; bh=Jxy8XKU/hYVMUJ7/4q6TLetmPdEWTlZk5P3+NTKyo4M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LJE3xkcqJ1Au3RN3pMLrnHRNmb5lLj6xPyPGwDwtSbnTG8Cj+JnANgA8W8bs2PWC3 2DUhGoK671HMDWL1qeB7h7mitOCl5wnQ7xLafsjFyDEByXxBfGpPgRm+qmGtMvqIqj AP4RVfIvXRrCj2qtj/MrB7h1ZYMKrsoKkn8UrMjQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afeaf52b21c120d2e Subject: [Tigers] Engine for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Came across this in Tampa Bay area of Florida. I know nothing about it. Just passing it on. Mark FORD RACE MOTOR5.0L (302 cubic inches), 512 roller cam, GT40 alum. heads 158cc, 10.5:1 compression ratio, balanced, double roller timing chain. Runs high 12bs in quarter mile. Hear it run. $1,500 OBO. Call 386-427-3975 May get picture here. http://www.cruisenewsonline.com/ClassifiedPics/FordRaceMotor232.html _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 18 16:49:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3FB42EEC for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 16:49:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0087542F33 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:32:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo110 ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131218222843.LPPH26500.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110> for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 17:28:43 -0500 Received: from computer ([68.4.150.82]) by fed1rmimpo110 with cox id 3AUi1n00F1mueg401AUiZ9; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 17:28:43 -0500 a=KB+w4nY6Z11KGwv0HtALUA==:17 a=tw_46iY4V6cA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=t8fXHQOLV5sA:10 a=KypCqWFgujSmCrtcB8wA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=dSD6azUmT16RNY3x:21 a=NosbWl2-4SGaOjMJ:21 a=KB+w4nY6Z11KGwv0HtALUA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Mountjoy" To: References: <37e91n01X0NyJgq017eAHm> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:30:19 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 410 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dear Tiger friends, I wanted to update you on my search for a 5-bolt, 289 block for our Sunbeam Lister Tiger. I can't believe the terriffic and plentiful responses I've gotten from this community. I am truly humbled. Thanks to all your input I have found a "correct" block. The casting number and date code are correct for what would have been installed by Bernard Unett after the Le Mans race in late '64. The block I found is .030 over, will clean up with just a honing and should be good for many events. Although the block from the race car was .040 over when I put it together eleven years ago, the damage it sustained did not make it feasible to extend the bore. Although re-sleeving was an option it was one I did not want to do. The next scheduled event for the car is SUNI. Hope to see many of you there. Again, thank you for all your support and assistance. Merry Christmas, Darrell _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 18 16:56:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599CD42FBA for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 16:56:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E68C403EA for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 16:06:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2013 23:03:11 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.249] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2013 23:03:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1058.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2013 23:03:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 979 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2013 23:03:10 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387407790; bh=zC0lt5LFLid7/wQlT1kyUc5EfJnBnmynVrd7Dsl66Yw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vayBgfxQNU8l9udKPtvGKCVsBIEFX5djoDM1D1tpxOpy6IFYdJlH23sINwD8LCv3HddJuXj1t/GaXBiquhnKGZUALyhSxoK6DV8A1MEfgXOlpcd2mDQ6i8+67erjHrN9yWhH3rU9Rr2NvfT4vhK67JC8JNa5k+LArjHEwMY8rwo= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PdjJUqccjAYfgkIdBxcgI88pTdiQNsH8P+XtGajBn+ozQCJ0nefBvbuH+7jJetruwcWiC/WRdKCcBa5UndnaZPqC1bInkBiE0Cs7xkCmxRG3+NTC8876oUHmlehD9aBrroSwz2CPxszMVO7a1j6Hyh7ohry2Uzc09KT2WkQP/qA=; E7i9SeRyC1yOrO99DM.kTXkd1nQO8wLvX21NJz0QrvdNzOdEx3s294TreION 1nnf70HrKDIVHRl2GVPazHMAX_iYblgQj2LTQL59Sx.sH7UkcqyZ76W0v_Hm CO_RVv_w1SrYq0s.f6j82qf8N7gomdsnQNaKPjqmeMJHRiOWM8BnX4NXeFKZ kncBMduNVjLZu.sbpBgPaooBeGbXUIMvV_0VFxNJU4ViLt7TzCmzCQHKxTa5 VwyFI6A7GjD6T8E.Cl5Cro385m0cz1EgOxTcBHgMiLUFACHjCBr5do5xuee0 rKLrSChs6eqSunpBADYuKssHIb2PtMQTiSI8XrQb.gx6.OU4VM13rny0t5Jx 8Ju_v5ZDqNyL.qz6aCPQawZEa_iZDZr.YGZVErK0KtSCE2yX2DZe8BFxOJMz v6Z8_72Z.Ux0.QZF8gkns8Fz56a6jA5jjFuTuP3sYUSdUjhlkdAX7QBslvm7 b5_TXmHYIXJAtosBcZWGC7.GU5MZ2EZpGzc7uKQodQM8QGMaRiV083HEYRjp 5mmnxz6Uj4ZMsQ1gVYkQpjcvdqGNoLeS2JYNLru2zEm2IdPLfj_pCcLKyPYx UpgBUtY8aKzHAge8aSA-- Received: from [108.175.242.46] by web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:03:10 PST SSBoYXZlIHNlZW4gS2VucyB3b3JrIGFuZCBpdCBpcyB0b3Agb2YgdGhlIGxpbmUuIEhlIG1ha2VzIGxvb2sgYWxpa2Ugc3RlZXJpbmcgd2hlZWxzIGFuZCByZXN0b3JlcyBvcmlnaW5hbHMuIElGIEkgd2FzIGxvb2tpbmcgZm9yIHNvbWVvbmUgdG8gcmVzdG9yZSBvbmUgb2YgbWluZSwgS2VuIGlzIHdobyBJIHdvdWxkIHR1cm4gdG8uIGp1c3QgbXkgb3Bpbmlvbi4KVG9ueQrCoApUb255IExhbmcgKFR0VCkKCgoKT24gV2VkbmVzZGF5LCBEZWNlbWJlciAxOCwgMjAxMyAyOjMzIFBNLCBILiBCLiBFbGFtIDxoYXIBMAEBAQE- References: <0E02D3B2-68E9-4077-A20C-0981CE65E19C@elams.org> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:03:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Lang To: "H. B. Elam" , "64venezia@gmail.com" <64venezia@gmail.com>, "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering wheel restoration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have seen Kens work and it is top of the line. He makes look alike steering wheels and restores originals. IF I was looking for someone to restore one of mine, Ken is who I would turn to. just my opinion. Tony Tony Lang (TtT) On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:33 PM, H. B. Elam wrote: Robert, I have been pleased with the work Ken Corbin and Chris Reed did for me. Try creedo@ix.netcom.com. Or (303)364-5787. Or P.O. Box 31495, Aurora Colorado, 80041 Harry Elam B382000471 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 18 18:14:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C483F42F82 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 18:14:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475DC40535 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 16:46:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3A1P1n0051uE5Es53BmG7c; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 23:46:16 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-257v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.49.36]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3BmF1n00X0mrEtN3cBmFtf; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 23:46:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 23:46:15 +0000 (UTC) From: George Re To: Sandy Ganz References: <000001cefad2$0e038170$2a0a8450$@cox.net> <1387250689.40318.YahooMailNeo@web185304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> (Mac)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: Aluminum radiators Thread-Index: pTDUCwXOyUZxeUHBVdjQFbp6/sDPnQ== s=q20121106; t=1387410376; bh=Dq5koMAvrtGJkApkz3dYqjxoDy2W1Wgv0aRDAxD0wZA=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=G2CDIleXoTR0kXqxOdBP7zgUJGCcX/D+ESyJHdHD+LPVwiS278ENIfu/RH5RLytII U8TLMUaW/7PDsn2sLd2HKkNi0EqIWy9tjKS/cGq2AOxKFU2M6KkAHapWWTSIf2PMGI A7l0d/5i92ueYqTxt6hZw9926vycp2tv+B3Plnn+D62NgUJrecFdcN6ijynIrsmH4r fy28nXfJkjYsAKn9gT9MCS9JrGLmviGWeroZq6fZg5mtYdt0e6TR3e052FhO5aYBtq UlQkAuFiPyOx7XdDx5lJjAYRM0Lf29fStTtccOAFjFwl+NN4YOCIELKkmoLoigNayZ t2BiupoOlDNmg== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have a Griffin on my Tiger and the shroud fits on with no problems. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: "Andy Walker" , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 10:24:49 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aluminum radiators Griffin Radiators made one a while back. I have one in my Tiger, it seems to fit well. I don't have the shroud on it so can't comment about that part of the fitment. Sandy ________________________________ From: Andy Walker To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 6:45 PM Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum radiators Hey, guys: If I remember correctly, some time back there was a discussion about stock-sized aluminum radiators being available. Did I dream that or was that for real? I'm considering replacing the radiator in my Mk1A but I want to keep the stock size unit in it so I can run the stock fan shroud without any modifications. Is this possible? Can someone point me toward the place where I could get one of these jewels? Thanks a million, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mgman71@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 18 23:12:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD6242EEC for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 23:12:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f178.google.com (mail-qc0-f178.google.com [209.85.216.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD4442AB9 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:28:56 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id i17so449040qcy.23 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 18:28:24 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=jANjmd0J0akMyi0dn84gpaW9eW0xdwZC+4JobE7wlko=; b=l8/7Eyp7oEOqVzAtm3aBnJAC9Li6+6+9oBTWe19LS2qgHJgaw00YgaCpfgFfKiZRN7 2zZ00BMNC7wqZ9QDLGw8tNX7MB6elJ+WEi1KUkuCH5ptWuBLdGIi+ukPviAmC6VnUHkN hQDu1ZbjcayGuWUaV/Gvl1B6bQsCOlHQ5bLpsAUJkE6gpWU5Rq1dJlDrcqBIpsz/Fvfi 5aWRoc698QmOj8slasRK5ApOa8GskNv3N98okT49FWf+yhNhsSD8sTe4GyRJg3yJbvDn c2n2Se7K/zwVHvKbCqfsiADhtPcpEieJ12zl9TcWHDpmv62UTj1fzyqtsA8B+1GbryTo gfzg== r9mr59879698qai.8.1387420104362; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 18:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.46.130 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 18:28:24 -0800 (PST) References: <000301cefbfd$00729510$0157bf30$@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 21:28:24 -0500 From: Jeffery Randall To: robert jaarsma <64venezia@gmail.com> Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering wheel restoration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I used Ken Corbin in Colorado, he did a nice job on the wood and also can redo the hub if needed. I was also happy with the price. Jeff On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:25 AM, robert jaarsma <64venezia@gmail.com> wrote: > Nowadays who is recommended for the restoration of my steering wheel? > > I had it wrapped in a cover for years, but I like to hold on to the wood > again. > > It is not that bad, but needs tlc. Thanks, Robert > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 19 13:50:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8DF43096 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:50:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8AC140046 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:18:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from JeffE6410ATG ([74.103.169.167]) by p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 3T3y1n00C3d2gJJ01T3zZD; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:04:00 -0700 From: "Jeff Feit" To: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:04:26 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac78ywfVvRvsQKsuSPqcpqyuW0O+rQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] eBay grab bag Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Long shot, but here it goes. I recently bought a small collection of Tiger parts on eBay. The only reason I bought it was to get the bracket and outlet fitting from the heater valve. To be honest, I'm pretty sure that most of the other parts weren't for a Tiger. Anyway, there was another bidder and I was wondering if that happened to be anyone here? Wanted to see if the part you needed was other than the water valve. Jeff Feit.Kennett Square, PA.B9471573 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 19 14:30:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8338E42FAB for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:30:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f47.google.com (mail-qe0-f47.google.com [209.85.128.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD05403A5 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:24:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f47.google.com with SMTP id t7so1592161qeb.20 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:24:06 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=ZTD1LOTL60eLHaY/47kmBxi223uS/p/hcNdyd1SnnaI=; b=D9zVYCR7bd2BNon4Domdp0Ws/1V7Eltzw8S3zgQhfduECPcRL8r7aqmfmtKfhhFZ8h 04ehsYcn3qyHb5APOWjsGDjq47BkbgzO9UDA3V0so1aZe0+ApNnYYYKwg39Z+nfr+DyL UGOu/kkefuImhqn+8pYcunA5ZqzbEI+sWhhvFt5ajsJZ9uE8xNvPv230aCXXm2faXbig pwy3t6ZkttfSG1MtQYWIkzU6A3OBG0s//lhPzHuxdmdNBBhyQgNPFT6HCAGqCG0O1/nW eWI9e0xQFPTBvVkQn2S01XvioMuXpB7kpOjyrIO0ZmiG9oGEHltTHKo9AgOEzSv5jaCx TSQA== f1mr7170876qev.58.1387486591698; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:56:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from OwnerPC (pool-70-16-212-236.man.east.myfairpoint.net. [70.16.212.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g10sm11719449qaf.9.2013.12.19.12.56.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:56:30 -0800 (PST) From: "robert jaarsma" <64venezia@gmail.com> To: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 15:56:29 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac78/MnolhzmOXDvT5u+2CzLR0IM5Q== Content-Language: en-us Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tigers] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sandy, I have probably the same Griffin radiator as George has, with the shroud mounted with NO problem. Doug Jennings of Tiger Auto in Dayton Ohio, sold (or still sells?) these. Robert PS. Thanks for the many steering wheel responses. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 19 15:11:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2835F429A2 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 15:11:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.demon.co.uk (unknown [91.221.169.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18215403A6; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 15:03:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from mdfmta005.tch.inty.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mdfmta005.tch.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDFA18CCA7; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:56:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdfmta005.tch.inty.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mdfmta005.tch.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA4718CC78; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:56:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.92] (unknown [86.185.80.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mdfmta005.tch.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:56:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:55:55 +0000 From: Jeff Howarth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net, alpines@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] How do you get a Sunbeam in an elevator...... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Guys, I thought you might like ot see the ingenious exploits of a Sunbean restorer in Malaysia Dharma has done several cars, but this one is different. Built to go in a bar on the third floor, so how do you get it there if it doesnt fit in the lift and you don't own a Sikorsky Sky Crane.............. https://www.facebook.com/krishnanautocraftservices#!/photo.php?fbid=578890185510143&set=a.333237933408704.75715.102760763123090&type=1&theater Look up Krishnan Autocraft on facebook if the link fails to work If anyone is going to Kuala Lumpur, its got to be worth a visit and a beer there ! (No, I havent been) Pretty good result from where he started. Jeff _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 19 18:39:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C6E4296E for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 18:39:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB20403F6 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 18:11:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131220011004.HREQ5416.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 20:10:04 -0500 Received: from computer ([68.4.150.82]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id 3dA31n0051mueg401dA4Vy; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 20:10:04 -0500 a=KB+w4nY6Z11KGwv0HtALUA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=eDacCZgxbown8cOxkwMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=KB+w4nY6Z11KGwv0HtALUA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Mountjoy" To: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 17:14:18 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] paint Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net All, In going through the LM Tiger one of the things I wanted to do is repaint the Koni shocks. They function well but look a little tattered from years of service. I went to different forums trying to find the paint code. People tried different approached from color matching old shocks to using paint some of the Shelby & Mustang vendors supply, to finding "close enough" at the local paint store. I contacted Koni NA in Kentucky and got this great response from one of their ITT people, Mason O'Hara. Since many of us run Koni Shocks and want our Tigers to look as good as they can be, I thought Mr. O'Hara's response noteworthy. Darrell, "...We do not sell the paint either, but I can tell you what it is. The paint is simply PlastiKote T-31 Bright Orange found over the counter..." Mason O'Hara Technical Sales Representative KONI North America 1961A International Way Hebron, Ky. 41048 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 20 08:31:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BCA42F1A for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 08:31:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm42.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm42.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C50E42EF9 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 08:05:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm42.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2013 15:04:58 -0000 Received: from [98.138.100.116] by nm42.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2013 15:02:11 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.150] by tm107.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2013 15:02:11 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.219] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2013 15:02:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2013 15:02:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 35954 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2013 15:02:10 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387551730; bh=Kb2ACWVby6d8oA0njOOAuInPFPoY2AOHjrZls/Ey5xI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=I88zgtrDL3D8nAj5FSMAlSAjtcHvDd5T6hVvRLfMK89/ma1ZxOsw7409a5qLWh2lY06MmQS0X/U9BnkbjX/paAnb4jqU/jbQCfKNH8/mfTW5AJFJIxyISSZRcEHpsoRacrkFZ5hJQ/P0pwCUls/Lrvn8WlOYVvFgCXN4528+Q1o= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0GOgjVukTRfjPPKIDfg/N6HUOlNJCA496BorZJBcdL4HlQ7O3d0byFYFuL9bnU38E39h7HU+P6i3rl6jr0dd1l354x/QkiMHmpkXP2v23JuLarALvERRJlLNC/CGYF925tJkVJM7IUdcliMP8bHm4mzkJg1VG+eloKp4KjLAJSQ=; S9ho5VJARgiwLdtZyYQGTrrXcQ40yziaUj5EoVUAbgV7ZnJwU_0iyF5_taCM qj4drvuKUBW2Vha3ylnLppPpB.7_6BvJEhxPOXjIzHuu1Ni7DdnFOwUK1BZF cP2SLRSTsF0C.IJ_oZ4JDZmQ2XaguELBj6E.5VAJJs8wHslTuyBavumRl36x nz45wstkFTlhSXFmwO.l1K9dfdB0YATcfYCjob18Ex22_2dFgClrOJNhff5g lG9puUOm_CV2bNR_Lut_oA3qGLETwBXNfQvVuG81blHCggivy0pzEmZER5Ai 1koP8KTBgPrv041wZIkPzb0WRZXtW9MuY04o_WloSRzni0rpUHCVV_V0zAUn 5qPnRmvAIDw.Z8IPos2uS8rSUQF8sw1ofCzbQ70dfiImZ2FIjGCLruwzr7T8 xcXZtIUdjJkgwOlE5W_94tTER0ZdnXwmkQHlhuDk5vgQBA4xKCOP_OBm6k2I UBG_xhPdGmc5iaFRgRhBxkrdsRMJXkEo- Received: from [173.48.171.211] by web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 07:02:10 PST T25lIG9mIHRoZSBkYWlseSBmZWF0dXJlZCBjbGFzc2lmaWVkIGFkcyBpbiB0b2RheXMgSGVtbWluZ3MgYmxvZyBpcyBhIAoKMTk2MSBIdW1iZXIgU3VwZXIgU25pcGUgU2VyaWVzIDMKZm9yICQxNCwwMDAgbmVnb3RpYWJsZSBpbiBTdG9ueSBCcm9vaywgQ29ubmVjdGljdXQsIGlmIGFueW9uZSBpcyBsb29raW5nIGZvciBhIFJvb3RlcyBjYXIgd2l0aCBhIGxpdHRsZSBtb3JlIHNlYXRpbmcgYXJlYS4gSSBkb24ndCBmb2xsb3cgSHVtYmVyIHNlZGFucyBtdWNoLCBidXQgdGhpcyBvbmUgbG9va3MgdmVyeSBjb20BMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 07:02:10 -0800 (PST) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Cc: "alpines@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Rootes non-Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net One of the daily featured classified ads in todays Hemmings blog is a 1961 Humber Super Snipe Series 3 for $14,000 negotiable in Stony Brook, Connecticut, if anyone is looking for a Rootes car with a little more seating area. I don't follow Humber sedans much, but this one looks very comfy, as if Rootes built a Jaguar sedan. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 20 08:49:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C105042F21 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 08:49:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.demon.co.uk (mdfmta009.mxout.tch.inty.net [91.221.169.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57675429A2; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 08:24:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from mdfmta009.tch.inty.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mdfmta009.tch.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EFE12807D; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:23:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdfmta009.tch.inty.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mdfmta009.tch.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C2212806E; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:23:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.92] (unknown [86.185.80.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mdfmta009.tch.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:23:47 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:23:35 +0000 From: Jeff Howarth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: "Wiencek, Thomas" , "tigers@autox.team.net" , "alpines@autox.team.net" References: <52B34F4B.7090007@v8tiger.demon.co.uk> <3E2BF07BB4AA954FA586E3742832D5E8450F7C6E@BUTKUS.anl.gov> Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] How do you get a Sunbeam in an elevator...... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Thomas, yes it does seem a shame, but the rebuild was commissioned by a bar owner to have the car sit in his bar on the third floor. Maybe he should have asked for a mini ! Interesting job though. Not sure I would want to drive it up the highway. Jeff On 20/12/2013 15:03, Wiencek, Thomas wrote: > All that work then they cut in half??????? > > Does anyone know where the rims are from? > > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=591601830905645&set=a.571039489628546.1073741835.102760763123090&type=3&theater > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:alpines-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Howarth > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:56 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net; alpines@autox.team.net > Subject: [Alpines] How do you get a Sunbeam in an elevator...... > > Guys, > > I thought you might like ot see the ingenious exploits of a Sunbean restorer in Malaysia > > Dharma has done several cars, but this one is different. > > Built to go in a bar on the third floor, so how do you get it there if it doesnt fit in the lift and you don't own a Sikorsky Sky Crane.............. > https://www.facebook.com/krishnanautocraftservices#!/photo.php?fbid=578890185510143&set=a.333237933408704.75715.102760763123090&type=1&theater > > Look up Krishnan Autocraft on facebook if the link fails to work > > If anyone is going to Kuala Lumpur, its got to be worth a visit and a beer there ! > (No, I havent been) > > > Pretty good result from where he started. > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Alpines@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/wiencek@anl.gov > > > . _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 20 13:05:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA2242F53 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:05:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d01.mx.aol.com (omr-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.252.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BE742F07 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:51:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mbd01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbd01.mx.aol.com [172.26.252.15]) by omr-d01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 72DA370057A7F for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqb004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.212.205]) by mtaomg-mbd01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 431AE38000081 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:50:50 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:50:50 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1387569050; bh=waXfn2ut0OF/kt2DLFY9JSHdXmVW2jBqqnAT84seLec=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yuY2Jit+eV/1aiSn/3/2roIhbHy1t+oTT2yOUqcS8yFPmUCrDpN1Evr8Tq2sFhfcS wh0wxetz7nlav4p3k1PbflIPcV6ODK0g3jL2m8JF0dzDsLEGWHGPL1kPghSXPf71Fz LEsANYkcdmy7OvfNvioWfQpkbGLIQoO6iuF7zOD0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afc0f52b49f9a6067 Subject: [Tigers] Humber Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That Humber: http://www .hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/humber/super_snipe/1617404.html What an absolutely beautiful car. !!! My only complaint (?) is they didn't pull the engine and shoot the engine compartment. Small thing, tho Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE TAC 0763 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 22 11:30:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B7D403F4 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 11:30:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27102403DD for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 11:29:37 -0700 (MST) cv=jhVCqOCcONDhIh1w2GEjcBn40ITekX4NlKMVE0oiDkw= c=1 sm=1 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=07qYva9XFuPVsmUOanpuKQ==:17 a=_Dj-zB-qAAAA:8 a=aFY0dtQEt-W3Ynn0m5MA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=o4fi33bm4VAA:10 a=ohksyYSWlxwA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.114]) ([184.64.56.176]) by idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 22 Dec 2013 11:28:51 -0700 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 11:28:51 -0700 From: Theo Smit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Happy Holidays! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://members.shaw.ca/tsmit/tiger_xmas/IMG_1649.JPG Cheers all! Have a safe and happy holiday and best wishes for 2014. Theo _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 22 14:05:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF6F4043D for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 14:05:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bosmailout10.eigbox.net (bosmailout10.eigbox.net [66.96.189.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DFD403B1 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 14:05:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from bosmailscan22.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.22]) by bosmailout10.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1VuqCO-00012R-DA for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:04:32 -0500 Received: from bosimpout03.eigbox.net ([10.20.55.3]) by bosmailscan22.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1VuqCO-0007xi-7l for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:04:32 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp07.eigbox.net ([10.20.18.7]) by bosimpout03.eigbox.net with NO UCE id 4l4L1n00e099BUA01l4LiD; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:04:22 -0500 a=tMK9iinponzxkr7Ra8a0mw==:17 a=OPgJcfM40kIA:10 a=n0KVGEqHWhAA:10 a=m71Gvyi2uscA:10 a=kEh8VdYBrxAA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Or_tTDS8AAAA:8 a=LreR88m_zLYA:10 a=_Dj-zB-qAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hilbBBO3tYChqHOp-RAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=7F_hI6ufVzMA:10 a=x8qw8EAkfcRkIpZA8Q87Bg==:117 Received: from [67.202.157.146] (port=2705 helo=[192.168.1.148]) by bosauthsmtp07.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1VuqCC-0000yn-Mq for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:04:20 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:04:02 -0800 From: drmayf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <52B72F63.5050104@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Happy Holidays! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Theo, love the wheels! Are those studded snow tires? Or do you use chains? Me, I prefer the off road deep lugged pattern tires for snow, 33 inches tall, but every one to their own preferences, lol.... top down,,, way cool, literally....! larry -- drmayf _____________________________ Worlds Fastest Sunbeam. Period. 204.913 mph mile average 210.779 mph exit top speed On 12/22/2013 10:28 AM, Theo Smit wrote: > http://members.shaw.ca/tsmit/tiger_xmas/IMG_1649.JPG > > Cheers all! Have a safe and happy holiday and best wishes for 2014. > > Theo > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 22 14:34:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA97740450 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 14:34:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77304040B for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 14:34:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 4l3k1n0021zF43QA3lZrMM; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 21:33:51 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 4lZq1n00Z2xZMJ48klZqM3; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 21:33:50 +0000 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 21:33:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Theo Smit s=q20121106; t=1387748031; bh=zJVdLIIjCvvUL5HM36oSwdwub07JNX8ZsaI7QVwXkOg=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ip4OzgSYzRHprQIFkQoqdK4psJNkJKxUqQAhwxrckazIFoBs/8ofEuBJNe1Wcglnv 0vsmRtgO8wpq6wS7DoFSAPk8lheIC9QfK6V2Px3HDRelKOP1HP5uiVnB9NhZHzvbty UNqWvw/MvTOq8Qc6ZFtWd5F6PzqfeE1f2mBhMHcTGQ+zS89KVNG7fPu+ZmxoDhQm4X RSKE6Mc0Z04WM11ZU/TooGrE+SW01XrYoFGISIko7TgaFjbM+Xb2FycEEiShAvzGnw TnA6vWpek3q0cn6SwT7mzwlwcf5uaPLAe/8aA4HakVO0XLAWVEPzxIu8fWf/9dDZGQ 4vJtL03iDGJWQ== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Happy Holidays! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wow, that's nice Theo.. the car and the photo.. and the cheers!! The same to all from California, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Theo Smit To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 18:28:51 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Happy Holidays! http://members.shaw.ca/tsmit/tiger_xmas/IMG_1649.JPG Cheers all! Have a safe and happy holiday and best wishes for 2014. Theo _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 22 17:38:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C0A40448 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 17:38:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4B0403E3 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 17:38:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo109 ([68.230.241.158]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131223003729.TSHD5416.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo109> for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 19:37:29 -0500 Received: from laptop ([68.229.224.237]) by fed1rmimpo109 with cox id 4odU1n00Z57wa9801odV4c; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 19:37:29 -0500 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:17 a=m71Gvyi2uscA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=LreR88m_zLYA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=_Dj-zB-qAAAA:8 a=BdIwn94Dqmk8HgpNGFMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=awtiger@cox.net From: "Andy Walker" To: "'Gary Winblad'" , "'Theo Smit'" References: <52B72F63.5050104@shaw.ca> <4lZs1n00d0NyJgq01lZtMB> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 18:37:26 -0600 Thread-Index: AQGcQmY1OtkiATe3X7cyMBiLS9yZdprGaVyg Content-Language: en-us Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Happy Holidays! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Same to you and yours, Theo...and to everyone on the list!!!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Winblad Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 3:34 PM To: Theo Smit Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Happy Holidays! Wow, that's nice Theo.. the car and the photo.. and the cheers!! The same to all from California, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Theo Smit To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 18:28:51 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Happy Holidays! http://members.shaw.ca/tsmit/tiger_xmas/IMG_1649.JPG Cheers all! Have a safe and happy holiday and best wishes for 2014. Theo _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 23 17:53:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4621142F85 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 17:53:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB9D4040E for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 17:48:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mcc02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcc02.mx.aol.com [172.26.253.80]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9138E700000BA; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 19:48:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dhd001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dhd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.209.129]) by mtaomg-mcc02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 62DA338000083; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 19:48:02 -0500 (EST) From: CMeinel464@aol.com Full-name: CMeinel464 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 19:48:02 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1387846082; bh=cEmLAZVgbg6v/I//wRCjKx2vE/3KU82nAQ01h5bzIxE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=riqm9UDnVEa+2C9FU+NyaBJ2ysktLrYgEpcIbFeRM1hsL/1PHky2pvLczA9fGd+hZ zIEqNi4XJKRdoY6IeANR84RdG9ULyyVymcpn1RXtA7GHoesga07YeCmx3r6IHul65T 8omHplNK0uq+odXs2R76PJS7tb0EQsNcMEeJ5yoA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afd5052b8d9c25efd Cc: Alpine@autox.tem.net Subject: [Tigers] Happy Holidays Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year to all !!!! Sunbeam owners. Curt & Patti Meinel Classic Sunbeam Inc. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 24 10:50:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAF04300E for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 10:50:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BD0A42F8D for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 10:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm32.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2013 17:49:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.231] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2013 17:49:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1040.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2013 17:49:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 50495 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2013 17:49:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387907346; bh=WHF8jDd2aEtd5hCGOqs87IHIyPCUFB5LAh5rmluuT+I=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CBFZgh9+YgidnnM7nMPEFHJbGv+9cYURsKft/R8h9xD4OMP9UFvc40L/9Rko+jPehwdDuQyHUFW9pPmdpnfrx5nH9GVArc1m1CV+XymQH4T0oAh7jnb+sUtB0KK+1hhTmIsBc3K7vSU9ASmAqVxKSBbBE+yvtH1XmO25pI1HQTE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=E8JUKsSOPtdP++KBkLjpASHNYiixQloWisoqmtacADqJ6sG+NMB6sRQPcAIFTMF0tff5CWCXk9A/8u5KuefYcgrqMso7rmaTVNFc105JB6bXSXOfxl+O1bFuNvcVZ+SFWLc+zIE/K4bDUl4Uo446KuYCvcrld0g2CG8cJsbTiVg=; K3TVWLgGXf8KJebAcFOMnzoQjeMaV5vlyfO0dXi_dSCjI3cQiwFd8fkh.s8A DXvtGtsiP3IncahSzy9wRpV5warA5W16duDhMkCekQJa1Ua6BRbUE97o6ijC pbolgK8KxC1FwUSADXOoMjS0bU2j6SZ6K25BhPia3IIhW1RW1df9Yxb2WrIK SLuXUtuT_zx0DXCogEEsS8qVfBt42utaH2hpun3Kc._g5wUt8pO.K2leP.Lq PoJkUUizBb.DENu_afypNkU.1_K1EvH_QgzHAiA1AWZgCuq43O9NpI9M2zyd x8rXYJdCaLCvrDyYr7yy1iLL.l42dd8dn_npWU._qkGfufXyQLjco2.P9vsB AfnLGFJJcJmMwGZc8oiRYPLJcCmTToEffli8yfpOQ_I6Zw4X_P.81V.hZcik VT4ysZ_S6jWS.jv21enx.ZefhzsVWifzJqGAeZExDrvHIZY.1ZSXJT8A3yAS f4XxvSr9vFkiWuO0KfeLTneagCkPE4EkaeTLDmhVWPxa1XlDz5.6VnSHjkD4 mHisxah5GlJO5dsvp Received: from [192.251.175.175] by web140803.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:49:06 PST SW4gdGhlIGFic2VuY2Ugb2YgYSBzdG9jayB0aWdlciBzdGVlcmluZyB3aGVlbCBvciB0aGUgcmVzb3VyY2VzIHRvIGJ1eSBhbmQgcmVzdG9yZSBhIG9yaWdpbmFsIHdoZWVsLCB3aGF0IGFyZSBnb29kIHdvb2QgYWx0ZXJuYXRpdmVzIHRoYXQgbWlnaHQgYWxsb3cgeW91IHRvIHVzZSB0aGUgdGlnZXIgaG9ybiB0cmltIHJpbmcgd2hpbGUga2VlcGluZyB0aGUgc3RvY2sgZGlhbWV0ZXIsIHdoaWNoIEkgdGhpbmsgaXMgMTUiLCBidXQgbm90IHN1cmUuwqAgSSBoYXZlIGEgbW9ub2xpdGUgKHJ1YmJlciB0eXBlIGYBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:49:06 -0800 (PST) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheels for 1966 MK 1A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In the absence of a stock tiger steering wheel or the resources to buy and restore a original wheel, what are good wood alternatives that might allow you to use the tiger horn trim ring while keeping the stock diameter, which I think is 15", but not sure. I have a monolite (rubber type feel) with adapter but would like to move to a look a like and trim ring - any suggestions would be appreciated. Regards Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 24 18:25:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E7143016 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 18:25:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f178.google.com (mail-ob0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CCE42F06 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 18:25:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f178.google.com with SMTP id uz6so7108828obc.37 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 17:24:12 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YGp/9xrHtTIzxetDnRfQ/3/zbxkdVw5EMAf9JNsA8yQ=; b=G3jbpjgO2OfkCmXbmU2yAIFVMMF+DXP3jkfaqDWbvBmca3mxRDM+XKOu9aUCpTcyGv T/1c2Zi3hb9cooVy4Llhuhm2QK+pw4SRZG3gTsYmQnALpa5UAUctsYIzclEC4coSgezZ hXgR3kUY8dT2Q2c43FIXg/780RyyZ+FHgkHRgMkPISdWBXG1AzRxLZAFLq+5vfg7J8nz iUaFE4B4sXbnAdxPJBV5RKBEsYZ6N4DPq9NQ5tzoHsbRNPSKg1XZXa3n3JY+e6YXJX+l khNDsTCcXCBEutz9v0T7GdyHeY057JxwMbeSoG/G2K5U8LORL3m009hihLy58I8MzgNl IdxA== t6mr17204436oep.35.1387934652598; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 17:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.228.65 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 17:24:12 -0800 (PST) References: <1387907346.9219.YahooMailNeo@web140803.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 09:24:12 +0800 From: michael king To: Joel Martin Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheels for 1966 MK 1A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel, I really cant think of an aftermarket rim that woud look good with the stock tiger horn ring.. Do you want the feel of a wood rim, or the stock look? MightI i suggest getting a stock alpine platic rim and have one of the caompanies that does the plastic wheel restos give it that fake wood finish? On 25 December 2013 01:49, Joel Martin wrote: > In the absence of a stock tiger steering wheel or the resources to buy and > restore a original wheel, what are good wood alternatives that might allow > you > to use the tiger horn trim ring while keeping the stock diameter, which I > think is 15", but not sure. I have a monolite (rubber type feel) with > adapter > but would like to move to a look a like and trim ring - any suggestions > would > be appreciated. > > Regards > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 24 19:51:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A1C43019 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 19:51:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD5942EF5 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 19:51:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [72.224.119.118] ([72.224.119.118:55326] helo=[192.168.1.142]) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id B1/30-17005-1084AB25; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 02:50:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 21:50:37 -0500 From: Tod Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: Tigers@autox.team.net, Joel Martin Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel: If you want to keep the horn ring from the Tiger, about the only options you have are a Tiger wheel, which is wood, of course and, as you noted, expensive, or an Alpine wheel. The Alpine wheel is identical to the Tiger wheel but is made of plastic and is much more readily available and, hence, cheaper. There are other wood wheels that can be fitted to the Tiger such as Moto-Lita or Nardi but are pretty expensive and would not look very good with the horn ring. There are other options to allow for the use of the horns with such wheels but, again, it's more money. I notice there is a hub and horn button for a Moto-Lita wheel on eBay right now for $277.00. The cost of the wheel is additional, of course, so you can see where this is going pretty quickly. Several years ago, I was able to find a leather Moto-Lita wheel on eBay and a mounting hub at reasonable prices. In addition I found a replacement turn signal switch with an extra position (used to flash the high beams, I believe, in the original application) that I use to activate the horns by pulling the stalk toward me. The Lucas number is in the CAT notes, IIRC. My original wooden wheel and horn ring are carefully stored and, no, they are not for sale. Hope this helps. Merry Christmas to All, Tod B382002384LRXFE TAC#864 Original Owner _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 25 09:23:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DAFF43006 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 09:23:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC4E403A6 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 09:23:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mad01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mad01.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.207]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A175F7003F611 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mfb001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.195]) by mtaomg-mad01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6077838000081 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:22:06 -0500 (EST) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:22:06 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1387988526; bh=0HmGcUBweDVBpctXTQuFW4+2QbLoK97+/8q4z5kwqHY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=R1qDhzMIfyCfXIFd/2CvnEJrCllfgktkyD+BryzVH6bCIivC8eCrpl9PuGarszq8u c1H4DJk0SC06pUWMXASyKc/PipkzlTH9y14kauWRucgdUqCbDI5D9n5JyCTTQP0dPP irJi4nt72yYbRckszsf/3RhLQ+5uNdyrdcxGDI8Y= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1addcf52bb062e6d51 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I was thinking about a new steering wheel/adaptor a while back and found _bryan@jones6299.freeserve.co.uk_ (mailto:bryan@jones6299.freeserve.co.uk) was very helpful. I haven't bought one yet but the prices weren't bad. Be vary weary of some e-bay ads as some will buy direct from the Manufacturers and jack up the price. Just like the Traction Masters that appear on e-bay. Also e-bay fees are getting ridiculous as they get 10% of the selling price and also charge you 10% of the shipping charges. My next step will be contacting Moto-Lita direct http://www.moto-lita.co.uk/ and see what they have to say about pricing/shipping. Also when looking for anything use https://www.google.com/ . HTH a message dated 12/24/2013 6:50:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, todbrown@roadrunner.com writes: Joel: If you want to keep the horn ring from the Tiger, about the only options you have are a Tiger wheel, which is wood, of course and, as you noted, expensive, or an Alpine wheel. The Alpine wheel is identical to the Tiger wheel but is made of plastic and is much more readily available and, hence, cheaper. There are other wood wheels that can be fitted to the Tiger such as Moto-Lita or Nardi but are pretty expensive and would not look very good with the horn ring. There are other options to allow for the use of the horns with such wheels but, again, it's more money. I notice there is a hub and horn button for a Moto-Lita wheel on eBay right now for $277.00. The cost of the wheel is additional, of course, so you can see where this is going pretty quickly. Several years ago, I was able to find a leather Moto-Lita wheel on eBay and a mounting hub at reasonable prices. In addition I found a replacement turn signal switch with an extra position (used to flash the high beams, I believe, in the original application) that I use to activate the horns by pulling the stalk toward me. The Lucas number is in the CAT notes, IIRC. My original wooden wheel and horn ring are carefully stored and, no, they are not for sale. Hope this helps. Merry Christmas to All, Tod B382002384LRXFE TAC#864 Original Owner _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 25 10:43:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393DB42AB9 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 10:43:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f181.google.com (mail-qc0-f181.google.com [209.85.216.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE36840042 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 10:43:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id e9so6845699qcy.40 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 09:42:14 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=6BUifjMhrQEOuhXqogCDFRWft67Li2h/Dmw7TagBFTY=; b=xMiQqJrpfWy/SkK2yMmHya9z88ZKXEgvpMvcXmz3Y+q3ifKIxYHca87rNssRJ42rFD q+JulGlLy5qJpCOzBgQB3VtOCLO2IfpKxR5+1/rd4c2iFHfamZNHtgmMcAR6Nq1B1fPl VImFo7B+fThm6u6qmgwrnVuV1ENOuwCNHnOoXQ6+y+6cx4gf1P3G05lPHe35PTMWdDK7 A9uIuhRgkoNvTCa66L0EpftdEbPCRBAsdWnft3L+X3JjJwAvMGKIaFA9BSC+IjVv3Hbr D32yr2QN8Jnf4XgSD/UCPKRsJcUXeiAifOpw4G5E5PS5t1fbKFxL/kqJzvg6UHIqzqzN wFYw== f1mr65924210qev.58.1387993334039; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 09:42:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.238.47 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 09:42:13 -0800 (PST) References: <4d4f3.4f596c30.3fec602e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:42:13 -0500 From: Tom Parker To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For a MotoLita lookalike, try Finish Line in Hollywood, FL www.finishlineaccessories.com Item MK3-9. It fit my Motolita Tiger hub perfectly. It has a slight (1 1/4//" dish). I don't know what the prices are now, when I bought mine the MotoLita wheel was listed at $270, the FinishLine Wheel at $135. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 11:22 AM, wrote: > I was thinking about a new steering wheel/adaptor a while back and found > _bryan@jones6299.freeserve.co.uk_ (mailto:bryan@jones6299.freeserve.co.uk) > was very helpful. I haven't bought one yet but the prices weren't bad. Be > vary weary of some e-bay ads as some will buy direct from the > Manufacturers > and jack up the price. Just like the Traction Masters that appear on > e-bay. > Also e-bay fees are getting ridiculous as they get 10% of the selling > price and also charge you 10% of the shipping charges. My next step will > be > contacting Moto-Lita direct http://www.moto-lita.co.uk/ and see what > they > have to say about pricing/shipping. Also when looking for anything use > https://www.google.com/ . HTH > > > > > > a message dated 12/24/2013 6:50:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > todbrown@roadrunner.com writes: > > Joel: > > If you want to keep the horn ring from the Tiger, about the only options > you have are a Tiger wheel, which is wood, of course and, as you noted, > expensive, or an Alpine wheel. The Alpine wheel is identical to the > Tiger wheel but is made of plastic and is much more readily available > and, hence, cheaper. There are other wood wheels that can be fitted to > the Tiger such as Moto-Lita or Nardi but are pretty expensive and would > not look very good with the horn ring. There are other options to allow > for the use of the horns with such wheels but, again, it's more money. I > notice there is a hub and horn button for a Moto-Lita wheel on eBay > right now for $277.00. The cost of the wheel is additional, of course, > so you can see where this is going pretty quickly. Several years ago, I > was able to find a leather Moto-Lita wheel on eBay and a mounting hub at > reasonable prices. In addition I found a replacement turn signal switch > with an extra position (used to flash the high beams, I believe, in the > original application) that I use to activate the horns by pulling the > stalk toward me. The Lucas number is in the CAT notes, IIRC. My original > wooden wheel and horn ring are carefully stored and, no, they are not > for sale. Hope this helps. > > Merry Christmas to All, > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > TAC#864 > Original Owner > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 25 12:46:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D509F43035 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:46:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E79B403D9 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:29:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5v761n0071GXsucAFvUM09; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 19:28:21 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.4] ([24.9.99.93]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5vUU1n00k20taJ08UvUVf0; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 19:28:29 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:28:27 -0700 From: Jeff Eakin To: Thread-Topic: Tiger Steering Wheels Thread-Index: Ac8Bp3wVuqg05G2aEeOlVBCa3VkKHw== s=q20121106; t=1387999701; bh=a7H62rj+jG9MnrjX3oH5WMmYIakBsM0TlvDmSnYK9ig=; h=Received:Received:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Mime-version: Content-type; b=cFCuM3w+pyRfpnDdJ0vVmznqizQV3DoZPioH6wCiWoS0W3hcIAlx3qRmjaugIdivp xd/GpqHLH7S2i4ZpYxWmoX/ppUdbkKLtAOZR9kXssBc/pr6YOcBhxibLk9F0ripdyO UsX6E4GC/+qPCa5Uh4ARELXfc947/9DAj+kydNtMFG6DkLC1sdcOIQ8rT9rCdzP/gv d1sGO5ZaXaULXmQFKfELpbRqDnADX8d350i5/0T5QX9nmklNDMj/CvoeF8M7f9oywf WOBZtcJd9P1hIkfNHnZDJod/16YGuhp+DohWoVn7xYt4eHAsFunEcaA952xBYAeuol 3+AvjSy84jcwA== Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For those wanting a remanufactured Tiger Steering wheel that looks EXACTLY as a new one I suggest you contact Ken Corbin, in Aurora, CO. (303) 364-5787 He has been making these for years. Or if you want I can email a few photos. jeff.eakin@comcast.net. I have had them on both my Tigers for years and love them. He starts with an old original steering wheel in need of repair. He applies new wood and a lot of TLC. In addition they come with a brand new totally original looking epoxy hub. ~ ~ ~ Jeff Eakin Pres. Colorado Assn. of Tiger Owners (C.A.T.O) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 25 12:56:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2F442EEA for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:56:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC36429A2 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:36:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY178-DS20 ([65.54.190.188]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:35:03 -0800 From: Arden Bedell To: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:34:58 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac8BqGV2GkdkcTUfS5Ozq8Cx9wxl3w== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[6873B260:01CF01A8] Subject: [Tigers] 260ci engine for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In case anyone is interested, this ad is for a standard bore 260 for a Tiger. No affiliation. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/pts/4248953228.html _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 25 12:56:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43AA43011 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:56:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE91F42EEA for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:41:12 -0700 (MST) c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1388000411; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=rF+FieuvUaCZjattkyVk9xiy7Kc=; b=VgxdsX7EKud0qN4xDIYTe9ly2fH9cUAzzu69gn2glNiilDOZ9VO6HZBk7NYAOBC2 ExGOtaeHmrRtZ0CaWEJBU7qnQdN+YHABcwz42zU6+1HZlwaJ0QupvtY6pwoeXGp1; X_CMAE_Category: , , a=oaYEPAUovVgA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=yyGz64G-kOMA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=hZu6OtwFeJUA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=1vJB4Q0JObBIK9sKdrMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=UDo720tNcInnqUF9S9yrCA==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.mail=wseay@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.agate.dfw.synacor.com header.from=wseay@embarqmail.com; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.agate.dfw.synacor.com: 10.40.66.4 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Received: from [10.40.66.4] ([10.40.66.4:48861] helo=md33.agate.dfw.synacor.com) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTP id 2F/82-32085-B943BB25; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 14:40:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 14:40:11 -0500 (EST) From: Will Seay To: Joel Martin (Win)/7.2.2_GA_2852) Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheels for 1966 MK 1A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel, You might want to get yourself an Alpine (plastic) steering wheel and put an aftermarket cover on it. I have seen a number of these covers and many are very nice. I remember that before I had my car restored that I had a cover on the wheel and, frankly, I liked the feel of the covered wheel better than the feel of the (restored) wooden wheel. -Will 382001570 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Martin" To: "Tiger List Serve" Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:49:06 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheels for 1966 MK 1A In the absence of a stock tiger steering wheel or the resources to buy and restore a original wheel, what are good wood alternatives that might allow you to use the tiger horn trim ring while keeping the stock diameter, which I think is 15", but not sure. I have a monolite (rubber type feel) with adapter but would like to move to a look a like and trim ring - any suggestions would be appreciated. Regards Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wseay@embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 25 13:03:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7073E4303F for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 13:03:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7633340074 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:53:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5vgY1n0050lTkoCA8vsfUX; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 19:52:39 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5vsf1n0052yr1eL8Qvsfx6; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 19:52:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 19:52:39 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: tigers@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1388001159; bh=l4hpU710UyDD+fbcR0vQvFmdTvFpqTw3F9ww3s7TtFg=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Z3ydlS511V8ZFD4m4UlUy1mXAVaxrM4+xcpcEcQuWW6Rke2Sfh+zhd8QieA0sLGgH vMBsztwR851nRr4y9Dj6QXtA717SAWGBmkyH15IDnqjYZORQMbeClw1KISMWpgfr/f uymq4qNWACoFUJZgp+F/31/SYg06qDMg24u5UJ/1U4hwDtEXZ68v5e2ns0oYdnFNRy H2Dr8zrEQdkU8W9I/ATenLq4E/wH5L/Dee1w8iQCDJIWEPOIqVIFVJ4UIKq51CDk6u 48v+qpe1+nIe+BciS0CUJZoHL5lxYA3rWIYO4II8jr5qnnN1SPDdYHVvr7jjiKUaJu jHWWASsj7lfMg== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I would like to add a testimonial regarding Brian Jones. I bought a Motolita wheel and adapter hub from him several years ago but still have not gotten around to installing it yet. He is an absolute prince of a fellow. He went out of his way to be helpful throughout the purchase process, including expediting the shipping. I highly recommend him to you. If you decide to get a Motolita wheel, getting a dished one is definitely better than a flat faced one. I got the one with the single elongated slot in each spoke. Were I to make the purchase again, I would seriously consider getting the leather covered rim rather than the wood covered one. The wood version is beautiful, but is really not much thicker than the stock wheel, if at all. From a general driving perspective, I think a thicker wheel would be more enjoyable. Perhaps Brian has already explained it, but aware that there are two types of adapter hubs. One allows you to keep the telescoping feature of the stock wheel, the other does not. I think there is a bit of a trick involved in getting the telescoping version installed, something I have not yet attempted. And it may not be adjustable "on the fly" like the stock one can be. Again, I do not recall the specifics. Maybe someone on the List here can clarify the installation procedure . At this point, I plan to just lace a nice black leather cover over the stock wheel I have to see how I like that. But if you decided on a Motolita wheel, I think you will be very happy with dealing with Brian. And as I recall, his price was the same or better than the factory, and service was first class. Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 25 13:04:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5DB430C6 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 13:04:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A535640357 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:55:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5vqk1n0050FhH24A9vtzLV; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 19:53:59 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5vtz1n0052yr1eL8UvtzcP; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 19:53:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 19:53:59 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: tigers@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1388001239; bh=XGcb00oOi0kThT7HqQUnLM6g2+kWAQnIbJ1sqqZiOSY=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=aerp0DTc51sz0Bg8R/6sTvDO+UAR/VIdScjUIyVQRXZiBAn8E1V/D57Y1x/bTpY7f g5PgnPKZvJNrQb908M2cxAzkBvHVImeX8WO9uAbKn5G9RsID0Tp7LX9+7b6ti8tVen lTTw2AE04bC6d9eI8HfVA5yvtwqrhTegMDmSN9K/N8aGvmsvBcjxkFjStiUHN2QFUD c0f0z7t3ENePQ1atfJhUKyxAdtljf3a3GH102pn5qSTyYfjyNp365d96HI33gnmLnd uIwLCYMnl4FlHZ9wYuWf21NTyKr/d/Uk9mVWomkAubGm7wOLjnvtKaw9Wf/z8XYw5b MM974zwwNNJNA== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I would like to add a testimonial regarding Brian Jones. I bought a Motolita wheel and adapter hub from him several years ago but still have not gotten around to installing it yet. He is an absolute prince of a fellow. He went out of his way to be helpful throughout the purchase process, including expediting the shipping. I highly recommend him to you. If you decide to get a Motolita wheel, getting a dished one is definitely better than a flat faced one. I got the one with the single elongated slot in each spoke. Were I to make the purchase again, I would seriously consider getting the leather covered rim rather than the wood covered one. The wood version is beautiful, but is really not much thicker than the stock wheel, if at all. From a general driving perspective, I think a thicker wheel would be more enjoyable. Perhaps Brian has already explained it, but aware that there are two types of adapter hubs. One allows you to keep the telescoping feature of the stock wheel, the other does not. I think there is a bit of a trick involved in getting the telescoping version installed, something I have not yet attempted. And it may not be adjustable "on the fly" like the stock one can be. Again, I do not recall the specifics. Maybe someone on the List here can clarify the installation procedure . At this point, I plan to just lace a nice black leather cover over the stock wheel I have to see how I like that. But if you decided on a Motolita wheel, I think you will be very happy with dealing with Brian. And as I recall, his price was the same or better than the factory, and service was first class. Gene _____________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 27 18:33:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5247342EFF for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:33:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc3-s3.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc3-s3.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9990403D9 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:32:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL131-DS6 ([65.55.34.136]) by col0-omc3-s3.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 27 Dec 2013 17:31:46 -0800 From: "Curt Bowland" To: "tigers" Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 19:31:45 -0600 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 19:31:45 -0600 FILETIME=[927C3A80:01CF036C] Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net One of the considerations I have not heard addressed regarding the use of a wood or wood rimed steering wheel. One of the concerns in Vintage Racing circles is that of wood rim steering wheels. The concern revolve around the potential of wood splinters entering the driver while under impact. I doubt many of you will concern yourself with an issue like this but awareness never hurts. I also happen to really like the feel of my leather wrapped wheel! Just my .02 Regards, and Happy New Year Curt in Chicago _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 27 19:34:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DB94044D for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 19:34:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f50.google.com (mail-pb0-f50.google.com [209.85.160.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9F3403D0 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 19:32:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id rr13so9786184pbb.37 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:31:03 -0800 (PST) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version; bh=zhDL9nGInyFgUNDc9MCcVteDKdnEpCabHAfhIts2p28=; b=0WGAnmD8BgNeibq8uW8Vqp2jqYbfrlpG6F6MAR/3KcEEE1+Dw53YHOeoMaDy1jKzji eX3GOfvjk2y/E/fTIm1R2vvRcEXL7EOg0TP4XCkRc4RDIgSLDhYROq8tVmG6nNLKr+iy 2KrwisM25BU+FeEg1roeF2LH/JjKpdrFOOLB21MkmvgIniKTIodBpE6kxmqEfpz5TC8+ qpMTWbWCp19vQZ5k2AIzyTHOmUvbQ8KHQUinYEdbYVlpYgc4Hi7JgT5JEBX77XfDlQd4 dxDcHO1piJWHupV4/bL9MxSNiwZ9N+FVa1lmSIbemtGb4hqo8Anb3h5rbJ0hCONBxbaA xN5A== vx4mr51841789pbc.140.1388158037461; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 07:27:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (24.sub-75-210-214.myvzw.com. [75.210.214.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z10sm82168869pas.6.2013.12.27.07.27.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 27 Dec 2013 07:27:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jay Laifman Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 07:27:13 -0800 To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Here is an interesting idea. When this guy rebuilt the Tiger, he made a battery box behind the passenger seat. I wonder how the battery does with the heat of the exhaust below. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=281232832701 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 27 20:03:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825FA42820 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 20:03:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70620403DD for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 20:01:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.175]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3C9607003F606; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 22:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mlb002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.144]) by mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1099538000082; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 22:00:10 -0500 (EST) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 22:00:09 -0500 (EST) To: cbowland@msn.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1388199610; bh=0ceOd871OCXdlyvKqKFfEb9uzt+bX38+Z0SeQwMBDQ0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ohj4YZEkezI7W406WRTbxc6dKlClZ7WSWlausqajS8BaANyEp1GMZ+SMmDmKpDCmY ALG+othqfR8Mwe6g5+w3+bbT4/9BF3RSGxnhVedUzdIL6g7enokbiFA0FhmruX+KS3 OWhYLnIdJNh7emtz9cO3VnP+bJyW+U8gTysSE95s= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afeaf52be3eba76ca Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Agree on all points. Add in the cumbersome 15" diameter and thin section and I couldn't wait to replace the oem wheel...which is nicely boxed and sitting on the shelf at the garage mahal ;-) I did see an interesting wheel today on a car built by Dale, which had a 14" diameter wood rim, with a custom fabricated horn ring, which was visually very close to the stock set up. In a message dated 12/27/2013 5:32:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cbowland@msn.com writes: One of the considerations I have not heard addressed regarding the use of a wood or wood rimed steering wheel. One of the concerns in Vintage Racing circles is that of wood rim steering wheels. The concern revolve around the potential of wood splinters entering the driver while under impact. I doubt many of you will concern yourself with an issue like this but awareness never hurts. I also happen to really like the feel of my leather wrapped wheel! Just my .02 Regards, and Happy New Year Curt in Chicago _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 27 20:19:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28BE403F8 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 20:19:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C83403DD for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 20:17:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id gq1so10057445obb.31 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 19:16:38 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=YJCGlb2FLlRS4GbY7g1GPKgASfiY1xZiRF2z+rvl8Hg=; b=sDePFJbYl7JLPi+dcXTocm+p0zOtg5ejkCkytesEhZdAHgwb1FOQmzx6/lBy/DPvm1 ixdGHfbiJIUsgZ8HX9yWCZrgdQIgKhh9tcoqSCI3Z+/ime4BCUVYK4hOv5yKXIndLZ90 7HxoW3TiEmjsycxYv6Jn1xit+VZfSKE1I3SbC+JAz0kovKRzq+yHxSkBKRcteJfbIchc gdg7A2D1fH2cz2rSXS4FgtRgCy7TSd6EDNy4LOZNcosYYOg+rek0S5N1ZKgwfi9V5ioL i/8SrI0V8PQWiDeC8ZD9ebGToj/lbZAhhBE/3fQV/ghWu3pAiF/LctrkPSuRI39LX1jZ CXKw== bc4mr7028088obb.68.1388200598063; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 19:16:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from OFFICEPC (75-32-205-182.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net. [75.32.205.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m7sm43709458obo.7.2013.12.27.19.16.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 27 Dec 2013 19:16:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Joe Brown" To: "'Jay Laifman'" , "'Tiger List'" References: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 21:15:29 -0600 Thread-Index: AQL4WQlH2DXDmFyzlneBJEfWe8Rks5gWQ6Qw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Didn't the Alpine have the battery in that location? And didn't the Alpine have the spare tire in that position? Have the experts really looked at these photos? Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 9:27 AM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Here is an interesting idea. When this guy rebuilt the Tiger, he made a battery box behind the passenger seat. I wonder how the battery does with the heat of the exhaust below. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=281232832701 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980@gmail.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6953 - Release Date: 12/27/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 27 20:20:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2955403E6 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 20:20:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7164038B for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 20:20:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [108.47.114.228]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MYH00IXSYK3Q840@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 21:19:16 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 19:19:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >>>Here is an interesting idea.<<< Jay, Are you being facetious??? The reason I ask is because the presence of a battery box is a question mark for a non-authentic Tiger. It is hard to tell what is under the trunk mat, but there again the spare tire location causes me to ponder. Then there is the "through the frame holes were bypassed." And, I'm struggling to tell if the frame has been reinforced with all new suspension" means the bypass holes aren't there (anymore)??? Odd that they would reinforced be on a "rust free" Tiger. Just saying.... Tom > Here is an interesting idea. When this guy rebuilt the Tiger, he made a > battery box behind the passenger seat. I wonder how the battery does with > the > heat of the exhaust below. > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=281232832701 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 27 21:35:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6533A403ED for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 21:35:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f179.google.com (mail-ie0-f179.google.com [209.85.223.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6174C4032C; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 21:33:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id x13so10383345ief.10 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 20:32:14 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=zc3ks4cWk5Jf9UNt3pBhVquL02Ud4vLYIPS6X9sqZrE=; b=CZCcvDLylpEcfvBCKzk2kGhNsUIgIsSOjWqXek2cHZcZNbXNo4gT9RFuKg1JoHhWPW JZW2M3q8pXs7GscHdu1r/ftHhJr7EFF+Ch5Qck8gIOhK2F6rSC9d1ANLV1kVypUWZXBb ZMul8K9jyTsxasV9V3BKLQEad7y2jA0DyiptvCdmwN5vskED50sk05sGoiSDpf1wZz1s tZ+/0M+ta9L8WHVGZOcnjBK1C47bftYaFsMot1EeDYJxbDQPEqCbwW33nmejDDt/M/mq YnpWcGEGWwKZlmLDrDESWC1Ry2fw0wmTRDmJxwhqASfpJPTozz8Hfsc3NY8NFZa5VOAe DiCA== l4mr44242930igx.39.1388205134898; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 20:32:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.29.196.187 (bda-74-82-80-176.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ml2sm42671841igb.10.2013.12.27.20.32.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 27 Dec 2013 20:32:14 -0800 (PST) Sensitivity: Normal To: "Thomas Witt" , tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 04:32:11 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net All, Yes, I know full well that is an Alpine box. I should have put a smilie on my post! That was always a pet peeve of my dad's. I'd point out that while I do believe someone with a Mk 1 Tiger could decide to move their fuel pump, and then build a battery box where the Alpine had it, if someone did that, there is no way that it would look aged and original like it does in that picture - painted faded red. I also thought it was funny how the seller seemed to suggest it being a novel idea. And, yes, I could also see that if someone did move the battery out of the trunk, it would make sense to prop up the spare tire like an Alpine. It really makes for more room. As to the heat on the battery, in most cars I've seen, the battery is forward of the engine. So air flow from even the fan will keep heat moving away from the radiator. But to have the heat of the pipe going straight up to the battery seems more extreme. But the honorable Dr. makes a good point. On the other hand, we do know that heat there causes fuel pump problems. I can see the larger fender supports. I figure if there was a Tiger used for creating this car, they'd cut out the transmission cover and weld it in - bringing the spark plug hole with. So do those look like original rivets? :-) ------Original Message------ From: Thomas Witt To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Sent: Dec 27, 2013 7:19 PM >>>Here is an interesting idea.<<< Jay, Are you being facetious??? The reason I ask is because the presence of a battery box is a question mark for a non-authentic Tiger. It is hard to tell what is under the trunk mat, but there again the spare tire location causes me to ponder. Then there is the "through the frame holes were bypassed." And, I'm struggling to tell if the frame has been reinforced with all new suspension" means the bypass holes aren't there (anymore)??? Odd that they would reinforced be on a "rust free" Tiger. Just saying.... Tom > Here is an interesting idea. When this guy rebuilt the Tiger, he made a > battery box behind the passenger seat. I wonder how the battery does with > the > heat of the exhaust below. > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=281232832701 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 07:30:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39EED403EE for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 07:30:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f52.google.com (mail-vb0-f52.google.com [209.85.212.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E63400A5 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 07:29:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id p5so5028310vbn.25 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 06:28:30 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=74t2f1UrtmYIy2j3okU8X6BLCBYWx1Z7Y1jUDAKy3fs=; b=mB8BdyTlPPACl1MlGn95mDF08imXRlU3CH+/bhmw5VR3NmFzzGrYOsq1S+OlYI13Gf U//QBzM4OlgIeXpnzRgTVCihC7F67FRuM3sdN7iBNOB3VafNCuMqeVdhFL0Vwawd7SI2 ptzMfrBhM3VleoDfE5F3MHFZ1WC5sAgVTZShvPWtKyZKuZxvBBwkY5NIuuRmWokK8sXq znWSWRFRSnJmA7X1XNh/XigWA3ayN2GQsQrrFSMsEGPAMXr0H5DgsGZOwh1QvmKppG5P ZDxX7NaJPA9LpWywURwULj+Dwo1fvL5vMEwbriPYE4aBYfjdmwRjG/9m64ByQIXJqvQm 160Q== h19mr10498119vcm.39.1388240910083; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 06:28:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.189.165 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 06:28:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.189.165 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 06:28:30 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 09:28:30 -0500 From: Chip Broadbooks To: Curt Bowland Cc: tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I am going to be much more worried about the car than splinters. If I hit hard enough that the steering wheel comes apart, chances are, I am not walking away. Then Dad will meet me outside the Pearly Gates to whip my ass for what I have done to his car.... On Dec 27, 2013 8:32 PM, "Curt Bowland" wrote: > One of the considerations I have not heard addressed regarding the use of a > wood or wood rimed steering wheel. > > One of the concerns in Vintage Racing circles is that of wood rim steering > wheels. The concern revolve around the potential of wood splinters entering > the driver while under impact. > > I doubt many of you will concern yourself with an issue like this but > awareness never hurts. > > I also happen to really like the feel of my leather wrapped wheel! > > Just my .02 > > Regards, and Happy New Year > > Curt in Chicago > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/chip.broadbooks@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 11:50:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE43F42823 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 11:50:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3833240436 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 11:50:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com [172.26.253.85]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4B58970036219 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 13:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mle005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.210]) by mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 601CE38000082 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 13:49:21 -0500 (EST) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 13:49:21 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1388256561; bh=XJSqHdiwpf5OGTVEUa5b2uz0STSE13ehgkiuzZ/EV3k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xKe7OwWwi9n5Xlv5rt0c7VE2HFy5PvsXTvLTFjnTb9iiDj3SGmJMlW8fF+97qMRqZ FSpebITOGKZCerrKH+9bhk8XewwJRjh6OTmzi97RpDyMWcMujMT3UE83zT9T9M14UK soxao/wXYBuZ71C/bbHcgdAOhksT0wVouJfFvjsQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afd5552bf1d3116ce Subject: [Tigers] Headlights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm needing to order new headlights for my car. I've noticed many are running Lucas PL700 tripod type non-sealed beams, these days. How is the quality on the reproductions readily available? Is buying used originals a better idea? "Back in the day" would the PL700 or P700 have been more commonly seen on the Tiger? Other options? I'm thinking a more modern Hella (or equivalent) halogen might function better? TIA Mike _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 12:00:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87B742EF3 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 12:00:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f174.google.com (mail-ie0-f174.google.com [209.85.223.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D9C40454; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 11:59:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f174.google.com with SMTP id at1so10397936iec.5 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:58:36 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=DzsgLMlp/4BnCdpOAIemlNBStcNj0LXligNTfhF8Jt0=; b=wjbi/8H6fdyACwWWU+jbup8HY7BFxwNx6ruGL0uI6qvJHI9+D2CsRJ8IyhjfPSE6Ev gX6JdDm7jQ4Efc/tXHkxds0cbCofvCjU/qRavOSpae5Z0V2rRGLWPiFdsS6zlooVSQvy hM4n8YI3PDprgl1/aa+WenR/lb9sbM1Ug2LBapV4qzDOL5wblNwo6OBUbuSI9STKaX3m 8lq1nfXv61ntQqwqAg6Kp2gFRO3HeKkKv4Go82slyKfoJWVFPbZVhlyQ6z84Gf2ituWC 3hBCw+RiAUO3VwKRfabdZJgTwZl8LZQ5ZQZIjdEWMqkSeLcdCZE2ortm2PYLZKWKoa26 Cf5g== Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.29.196.187 (bda-74-82-80-176.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y10sm50979306igl.4.2013.12.28.10.58.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:58:35 -0800 (PST) References: Sensitivity: Normal To: MWood24020@aol.com,tigers-bounces@autox.team.net,tigers@autox.team.net From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 18:58:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net What is the difference between PL and P? I bought some years ago. I love then. But I never felt they fit or matched the Sunbeam look. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: MWood24020@aol.com To: Subject: [Tigers] Headlights I'm needing to order new headlights for my car. I've noticed many are running Lucas PL700 tripod type non-sealed beams, these days. How is the quality on the reproductions readily available? Is buying used originals a better idea? "Back in the day" would the PL700 or P700 have been more commonly seen on the Tiger? Other options? I'm thinking a more modern Hella (or equivalent) halogen might function better? TIA Mike _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 13:00:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9631640434 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 13:00:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9245403D9 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 12:57:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [72.224.119.118] ([72.224.119.118:54134] helo=[192.168.1.142]) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 64/66-08900-7EC2FB25; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 19:56:24 +0000 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 14:56:19 -0500 From: Tod Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net, MWood24020@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net PL700's were never original equipment on the Tiger although some may have fitted them back in the day. The problem was they were not, IIRC, sealed beams, which were the only legal headlamps in the US back in the 60's. Apparently, you can now get reproduction PL700's which use halogen bulbs and are now legal under more modern regulations. Rather than trying to find a pair of original PL700's, which would be quite expensive, the repros would seem the way to go - cheaper and better lighting if you like the look. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE TAC 864 Original Owner _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 14:16:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64217403F5 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 14:16:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f180.google.com (mail-ig0-f180.google.com [209.85.213.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276FB40381 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 14:13:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ig0-f180.google.com with SMTP id uq1so24553306igb.1 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 13:12:15 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:thread-index; bh=KdydB5vlVCi2yqLMPKSFqX132YeZr4KY2nLF82y8Iyo=; b=pwCkEt0Dlcs6Vj13oFECUg9WIkSURExag7+CyZHzauDCQbTnaDgbrr+p0rPW68urxp kvOpOH+90yDOxFMwjqDOKpLwaj6feu6F/CYY/mR3U2OfNEJ3hvLeMmjk0VcrITHHRCVJ Xu3AjIaWXod4OW/x81vk7hYcyNVoOquXEIal8ZJozmPcRfOIhaB0Ow8J6JAToaGN5amB DKcJRJa7HEBJYLDpkvTZOl4Zy+xjdxZfr6hA2fY+wijNoR3A+KCN+ChrhcmlbUHbCnQb 8fHyqLMC9668nUF/BdBubtCI3rsHeCv21vcLeL6VxzuVr3swGOAaz+VZT5DAN8fgLY6Q YEzA== lr8mr39154364icc.33.1388265135173; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 13:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from delld630 (adsl-75-10-145-217.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net. [75.10.145.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id u1sm51462902ige.1.2013.12.28.13.12.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Dec 2013 13:12:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Mark Rense" To: , References: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:12:13 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac8D/ZZIsJbUbnyiQxWQF1XQ3rVDggAEOJQg Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, Consider these GE Nighthawk Sport H6024NHS 7" sealed beams, they put out twice the light on low beam over the old incandescents and are only 35 watts per lamp. They are low enough of a draw you can use them as DRL (daylight running lamps) for additional visibility even running the generator. The high beams are 65 watts and throw quite a nice pattern. On sale now at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/GE-H6024NHS-Nighthawk-Automotive-Headlight/dp/B0017ODW 1C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388263695&sr=8-1&keywords=ge+H6024NHS Be forewarned, the classic sealed beam will completely disappear in a couple years, if ANYONE needs headlights you better buy some now and stash them away. Be very wary of buying old non-sealed lamp shells such as the P700 or Hella/Cibie types, as the reflective coating inside decays rapidly and you wind up loosing much of the light output. This is a fundamental problem with this type of forward lighting, which is why the DOT outlawed them back in the '50's. A sealed beam always gives you a fresh reflector with every new lamp. Bugz - 32 years in the Automotive/Halogen lighting industry -----Original Message----- From: MWood24020@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 1:49 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Headlights Other options? I'm thinking a more modern Hella (or equivalent) halogen might function better? TIA Mike _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 15:03:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901B9403D9 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 15:03:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1FCB4006E for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 15:02:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mce01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mce01.mx.aol.com [172.29.27.207]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EBFC9700000A3; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 17:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mld002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mld002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.122.80]) by mtaomg-mce01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8778538000084; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 17:01:38 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 17:01:38 -0500 (EST) To: mark44124@gmail.com, MWood24020@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1388268098; bh=9Ikd51iaIAb7q6nI2LRIh2oebQnng1h4BAGgqc3x21Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Xk7iHXRvhd55BGTJu9WthHbO+T8Fr7VuretvN9S1bTY1h16m6hQyKcbya+yfs3CJ1 HbryhGTAoDUNIEmymZW9Wp3j1wRPsJrdLP4QOA624fC7Xt8T57Hs1f40/wyYbvkxn5 nh0YGeIDOVHr0VMuNK5O0vmC0h39T00XLoyS6EZc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d1bcf52bf4a427991 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Bugz, Nice to know that. I have a stash of halogens that I picked up at a great price. I should be set for the life of the car or the life of the owner...whichever comes first:-) Mark L In a message dated 12/28/2013 4:14:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark44124@gmail.com writes: Mike, Consider these GE Nighthawk Sport H6024NHS 7" sealed beams, they put out twice the light on low beam over the old incandescents and are only 35 watts per lamp. They are low enough of a draw you can use them as DRL (daylight running lamps) for additional visibility even running the generator. The high beams are 65 watts and throw quite a nice pattern. On sale now at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/GE-H6024NHS-Nighthawk-Automotive-Headlight/dp/B0017ODW 1C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388263695&sr=8-1&keywords=ge+H6024NHS Be forewarned, the classic sealed beam will completely disappear in a couple years, if ANYONE needs headlights you better buy some now and stash them away. Be very wary of buying old non-sealed lamp shells such as the P700 or Hella/Cibie types, as the reflective coating inside decays rapidly and you wind up loosing much of the light output. This is a fundamental problem with this type of forward lighting, which is why the DOT outlawed them back in the '50's. A sealed beam always gives you a fresh reflector with every new lamp. Bugz - 32 years in the Automotive/Halogen lighting industry -----Original Message----- From: MWood24020@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 1:49 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Headlights Other options? I'm thinking a more modern Hella (or equivalent) halogen might function better? TIA Mike _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 15:17:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F53403D3 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 15:17:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EF84003B for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 15:17:35 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=ix.netcom.com; b=WQ32ykhAkSRYvSqn00yfpBDPT0ecARfpGpQSfL4v8S4YoXwEamRsUfH72uiHX8/1; h=Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [166.170.59.152] (helo=[10.66.189.161]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Vx2B9-0007J9-Ho; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 17:16:19 -0500 References: <8D0DF3C8EB2D4DF492CA03095BD555C9@delld630> From: Allan Ballard Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 17:16:17 -0500 To: Mark Rense Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My Tiger is running Marchal Amplilux. They came with the car. They provide decent illumination and have options but I'd prefer illumination as good as the SUV. What is the optimum for our Sunbeams. Allan Ballard Mk1a Series IV Alpine Series 1 Alpine Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 28, 2013, at 4:12 PM, "Mark Rense" wrote: > > Mike, > Consider these GE Nighthawk Sport H6024NHS 7" sealed beams, they put out > twice the light on low beam over the old incandescents and are only 35 watts > per lamp. They are low enough of a draw you can use them as DRL (daylight > running lamps) for additional visibility even running the generator. The > high beams are 65 watts and throw quite a nice pattern. > > On sale now at Amazon: > > http://www.amazon.com/GE-H6024NHS-Nighthawk-Automotive-Headlight/dp/B0017ODW > 1C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388263695&sr=8-1&keywords=ge+H6024NHS > > Be forewarned, the classic sealed beam will completely disappear in a couple > years, if ANYONE needs headlights you better buy some now and stash them > away. > > Be very wary of buying old non-sealed lamp shells such as the P700 or > Hella/Cibie types, as the reflective coating inside decays rapidly and you > wind up loosing much of the light output. This is a fundamental problem with > this type of forward lighting, which is why the DOT outlawed them back in > the '50's. A sealed beam always gives you a fresh reflector with every new > lamp. > > Bugz - 32 years in the Automotive/Halogen lighting industry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MWood24020@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 1:49 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Headlights > > Other options? I'm thinking a more modern Hella (or equivalent) halogen > might function better? > > TIA > Mike > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aballard@ix.netcom.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 15:33:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6466F403A5 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 15:33:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC1E4006D for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 15:33:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id jt11so10403146pbb.28 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 14:31:50 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ZLaebEUoXz92RVZ+NgbL4tUY9CRcM9T73N4/uxM6DQo=; b=R5H9oCanaGRWGw7Fknq6PDaLUh1gWVfAymSNYH8DV1uFFBpXjoPRiIsDrGHMj7D4KO CeLcPXN3I/w2/UB0g+a2sAG7XwT8qlE9yElyv7LrrV2GKAaevx9hR+pPkAHLOYcUUddP P92sKUPKMfOPoXO0KIvOg6lrwjAt8lJV4u/InDbGfDXMGdbtKXFgh1lyW+PUlZBBA77V Bvar3SEjncVyEnjG0TRPUzLb8s11Neizn1olQQYkro2GT32nAQ7G4tHWfaLLGNScBEeq YY7YVH06UkuzgMTk/yLNVQKDXE0egMgcodCAY85dcnrC++8xaIWSf1wExeJg6aq6tHFY 3xxQ== my1mr60017476pbc.55.1388269910528; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 14:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.130.35 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 14:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.130.35 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 14:31:50 -0800 (PST) References: <8D0DF3C8EB2D4DF492CA03095BD555C9@delld630> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 17:31:50 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: Allan Ballard Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Personally, I hate driving at night so I use ultra bright xenon H4 bulbs to make sure I can see. I got them in a period yellow/white colour rather than the more usual blueish tint, but they provide stacks of light and only draw 55W. Short of full on HIDs, they were the best I found. Real period lights bring me to a complete standstill in the rain at night. It's a pretty subjective topic to touch on :) On Dec 28, 2013 10:16 PM, "Allan Ballard" wrote: > My Tiger is running Marchal Amplilux. > > They came with the car. > > They provide decent illumination and have options but I'd prefer > illumination > as good as the SUV. > > What is the optimum for our Sunbeams. > > Allan Ballard > Mk1a > Series IV Alpine > Series 1 Alpine > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 28, 2013, at 4:12 PM, "Mark Rense" wrote: > > > > Mike, > > Consider these GE Nighthawk Sport H6024NHS 7" sealed beams, they put out > > twice the light on low beam over the old incandescents and are only 35 > watts > > per lamp. They are low enough of a draw you can use them as DRL (daylight > > running lamps) for additional visibility even running the generator. The > > high beams are 65 watts and throw quite a nice pattern. > > > > On sale now at Amazon: > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/GE-H6024NHS-Nighthawk-Automotive-Headlight/dp/B0017ODW > > 1C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388263695&sr=8-1&keywords=ge+H6024NHS > > > > Be forewarned, the classic sealed beam will completely disappear in a > couple > > years, if ANYONE needs headlights you better buy some now and stash them > > away. > > > > Be very wary of buying old non-sealed lamp shells such as the P700 or > > Hella/Cibie types, as the reflective coating inside decays rapidly and > you > > wind up loosing much of the light output. This is a fundamental problem > with > > this type of forward lighting, which is why the DOT outlawed them back in > > the '50's. A sealed beam always gives you a fresh reflector with every > new > > lamp. > > > > Bugz - 32 years in the Automotive/Halogen lighting industry > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MWood24020@aol.com > > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 1:49 PM > > To: tigers@autox.team.net > > Subject: [Tigers] Headlights > > > > Other options? I'm thinking a more modern Hella (or equivalent) halogen > > might function better? > > > > TIA > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aballard@ix.netcom.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 16:24:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C84403D7 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:24:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1C140066 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:24:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [108.47.114.228]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MYJ008H7IAP9D60@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 17:23:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <20131228043517.35A1B403EA@autox.team.net> <42F6E19B-8115-486B-99E0-5CE6C81F62F2@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 15:23:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hummm..., I just looked shortly after this email arrived and the car is still there (56 bids - $34,100) 3:20PM, Saturday Dec, 28th). I checked the Registry and it shows up as having been noted in August,1984 in Southfield, MI. There is no TAC as the ebay ad stated. While there may be explanations for the questionable aspects, it seems wise to make notice of them. And, if someone in the know can verify the car then all the better for the buyers piece of mind. > Whoops, eBay ad has been removed. Either he sold the car, or possibly the > owner is on this list and has been keeping up with all this scrutiny? > > Cullen > TAC 840 > > Sent from my iPhone. > >> On Dec 27, 2013, at 10:32 PM, jay.laifman@gmail.com wrote: >> >> All, >> >> Yes, I know full well that is an Alpine box. I should have put a smilie >> on my post! That was always a pet peeve of my dad's. >> >> I'd point out that while I do believe someone with a Mk 1 Tiger could >> decide to move their fuel pump, and then build a battery box where the >> Alpine had it, if someone did that, there is no way that it would look >> aged and original like it does in that picture - painted faded red. >> >> I also thought it was funny how the seller seemed to suggest it being a >> novel idea. >> >> And, yes, I could also see that if someone did move the battery out of >> the trunk, it would make sense to prop up the spare tire like an Alpine. >> It really makes for more room. >> >> As to the heat on the battery, in most cars I've seen, the battery is >> forward of the engine. So air flow from even the fan will keep heat >> moving away from the radiator. But to have the heat of the pipe going >> straight up to the battery seems more extreme. But the honorable Dr. >> makes a good point. On the other hand, we do know that heat there causes >> fuel pump problems. >> >> I can see the larger fender supports. I figure if there was a Tiger used >> for creating this car, they'd cut out the transmission cover and weld it >> in - bringing the spark plug hole with. So do those look like original >> rivets? :-) >> >> ------Original Message------ >> From: Thomas Witt >> Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale >> Sent: Dec 27, 2013 7:19 PM >> >>>>> Here is an interesting idea.<<< >> Jay, >> Are you being facetious??? The reason I ask is because the presence of a >> battery box is a question mark for a non-authentic Tiger. It is hard to >> tell what is under the trunk mat, but there again the spare tire location >> causes me to ponder. Then there is the "through the frame holes were >> bypassed." And, I'm struggling to tell if the frame has been reinforced >> with all new suspension" means the bypass holes aren't there (anymore)??? >> Odd that they would reinforced be on a "rust free" Tiger. Just >> saying.... >> >> Tom >> >> >>> Here is an interesting idea. When this guy rebuilt the Tiger, he made a >>> battery box behind the passenger seat. I wonder how the battery does >>> with >>> the >>> heat of the exhaust below. >>> >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=281232832701 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 17:49:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E99403D7 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 17:49:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1214006E for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 17:48:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.100.118] by nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2013 00:47:19 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.175] by tm109.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2013 00:47:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1031.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2013 00:47:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 81845 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 2013 00:47:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1388278038; bh=U8xr7WO1wXy7Bpn5eYXnDuFZTeFZRav7UAdkL3BfPCY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XEOu64YgaT0iB8yEz+nU4OveyHztncfDmEZFyMldIZaQzxrw9YI9uAFtLGsJMVWkEw0ry8tUroNWBdWu+5RAfHvfaJqNzvPU4rALY3B8n51P9sVZyuOJzA8K61ZhEPvrqcMVR+GPFNAnxy7eUcgURuB0EmkA7WaGfd+L9Gsdpy0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=M9IozxJdQQmRRrSXN0LEMmTctPUq7lcdtWv9Gm/bic/YEfo4BSJQ6G+94NFUCqQGxJtEM1JHS3olnDj8B9nIJZ51Pg3053S9I0QowEaPGI2FNjQCmsHC45l0h5bBDjzZf+9mwcZyPQr6nfGZXGv+AnPhWT9NcUJ4dQaEJquiITc=; voBCjONyRftDad8VD856hONtbZav1H8m.VIG0bszveRnpIyM0tQzftCj7sfx cJDKoKnPRNGGigIwdy1LNcWG00GJtrsLQEH.Gq5DgTl3..TpKj4JJwXDehUu l6dGuthiy0IOsPN9XydTDyJwCJtf4lyrJk9wvjZbuqGBRw7b4y5bu5SNm_DA 8.trzAH0ItdMNSzbRbVHw9esVvzbklttoE6.fGT24xShi72MoUWTrINAKp1k tIfr9kQsy7Ab7WdiDK1zp6P5ffyOe5BNim_VMdV2vLkMgjmaJZxUpLgVbheF lBbiSXO1uO3UqC.iF1cgp3JPylIGSWrYZo66D29WwE8YHJcHR9XN8rEvAB0A ViMwNNipAIcAANp5dj7iATfm7zzbNa2RPmdO9Hly7_7krKQDcVjfu41X07a. eGzhtCYBX.4Kgw.M571SJAg2slEN.86764U_XS_dJKm_BCOkvvl7BrEXWbmo ICCQLp_DCRKP8Y_ja3LBmI5.iZ26XdbTRDj5YkxyuxdiJQyMnytdFhQY_xbg - Received: from [173.30.10.152] by web122503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:47:18 PST V2l0aCBhbGwgdGhlIGFmb3JlIG1lbnRpb25lZCBpbmNvbnNpc3RlbmNpZXMgaXQgd291bGQgYXBwZWFyIHRoYXQgcmVhciBlbmQgY29sbGlzaW9uIGRhbWFnZSB3YXMgcmVwYWlyZWQgd2l0aCBhIFNlcmllcyBWIEFscGluZSByZWFyIGNsaXAuIFRoYXQgYmVpbmcgc2FpZCB3b3VsZG4ndCB0aGlzIGNhciBiZSBlbGlnaWJsZSBmb3IgYSBUQUMgYXV0aGVudGF0aW9uIGNlcnRpZmljYXRlIGFuZC9vciBzdGlja2VyPwpST0dFUgoBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:47:18 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Nyberg To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] EBAY TIGER Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net With all the afore mentioned inconsistencies it would appear that rear end collision damage was repaired with a Series V Alpine rear clip. That being said wouldn't this car be eligible for a TAC authentation certificate and/or sticker? ROGER _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 18:30:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E814006E for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 18:30:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f54.google.com (mail-yh0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331C54003B for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 18:30:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yh0-f54.google.com with SMTP id z12so2223904yhz.27 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 17:28:58 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=HMnoLgTq4dX8w3d3uxJrFlLj/nSPZVp4s24g8U/Kyek=; b=0eSciZyDh0VCQ0KqTj4E2jq4d0YkdvAocEmuzILFIRIPpVrF5p/swJbbk57z8Ba6ga C8+gIdRXqbae6QZ+2wMUzTg2qLHyxwn7Jr5RSS3a3Cm2yRwn96SqwkLRvnL5cJ3mrybV Dk8tvZHNMQDJkU3IWSsvMVWdt6OF1r3Mx94Q8fcNSqkQ5NprFDEzQ2A5f20QQS5vYoPK kLh5YFhjLxwHWni+9OB9IAbW+j/yvEUNouWmMEcWAZCIDrN3i+18Lrrjdy9KJqxbYbGq E/2MIdTs9H5cPvbLci5+bl4lnzx05xmKd9ZCk7XD8U/C8oOcL4YH7deOffw4uWUywy3t 8xJQ== n42mr601558yhj.114.1388280538197; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 17:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2600:100b:b018:dd67:a5d4:49d0:d616:115f? ([2600:100b:b018:dd67:a5d4:49d0:d616:115f]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r64sm54098153yhc.23.2013.12.28.17.28.56 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Dec 2013 17:28:56 -0800 (PST) References: <20131228043517.35A1B403EA@autox.team.net> <42F6E19B-8115-486B-99E0-5CE6C81F62F2@gmail.com> From: Cullen1972 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 19:28:54 -0600 To: Thomas Witt Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well, your right Tom, I have no idea why I saw that. I confused myself. Sent from my iPhone. > On Dec 28, 2013, at 5:23 PM, "Thomas Witt" wrote: > > Hummm..., I just looked shortly after this email arrived and the car is still there (56 bids - $34,100) 3:20PM, Saturday Dec, 28th). I checked the Registry and it shows up as having been noted in August,1984 in Southfield, MI. There is no TAC as the ebay ad stated. While there may be explanations for the questionable aspects, it seems wise to make notice of them. And, if someone in the know can verify the car then all the better for the buyers piece of mind. > >> Whoops, eBay ad has been removed. Either he sold the car, or possibly the owner is on this list and has been keeping up with all this scrutiny? >> >> Cullen >> TAC 840 >> >> Sent from my iPhone. >> >>> On Dec 27, 2013, at 10:32 PM, jay.laifman@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> All, >>> >>> Yes, I know full well that is an Alpine box. I should have put a smilie on my post! That was always a pet peeve of my dad's. >>> >>> I'd point out that while I do believe someone with a Mk 1 Tiger could decide to move their fuel pump, and then build a battery box where the Alpine had it, if someone did that, there is no way that it would look aged and original like it does in that picture - painted faded red. >>> >>> I also thought it was funny how the seller seemed to suggest it being a novel idea. >>> >>> And, yes, I could also see that if someone did move the battery out of the trunk, it would make sense to prop up the spare tire like an Alpine. It really makes for more room. >>> >>> As to the heat on the battery, in most cars I've seen, the battery is forward of the engine. So air flow from even the fan will keep heat moving away from the radiator. But to have the heat of the pipe going straight up to the battery seems more extreme. But the honorable Dr. makes a good point. On the other hand, we do know that heat there causes fuel pump problems. >>> >>> I can see the larger fender supports. I figure if there was a Tiger used for creating this car, they'd cut out the transmission cover and weld it in - bringing the spark plug hole with. So do those look like original rivets? :-) >>> >>> ------Original Message------ >>> From: Thomas Witt >>> Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >>> To: tigers@autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale >>> Sent: Dec 27, 2013 7:19 PM >>> >>>>>> Here is an interesting idea.<<< >>> Jay, >>> Are you being facetious??? The reason I ask is because the presence of a >>> battery box is a question mark for a non-authentic Tiger. It is hard to >>> tell what is under the trunk mat, but there again the spare tire location >>> causes me to ponder. Then there is the "through the frame holes were >>> bypassed." And, I'm struggling to tell if the frame has been reinforced >>> with all new suspension" means the bypass holes aren't there (anymore)??? >>> Odd that they would reinforced be on a "rust free" Tiger. Just saying.... >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>>> Here is an interesting idea. When this guy rebuilt the Tiger, he made a >>>> battery box behind the passenger seat. I wonder how the battery does with >>>> the >>>> heat of the exhaust below. >>>> >>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=281232832701 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 18:58:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637CF403CF for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 18:58:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.247]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D360F4006D for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 18:58:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2013 01:56:56 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.170] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2013 01:56:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2013 01:56:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 39974 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 2013 01:56:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1388282216; bh=X08O2nJZYLgQbGDJZHkEBKoGAUkXMTMMzoc/VSKKYPw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4SYOKaRR9kgVHUA8Am0KaajFdMqO//tODEIA9lWMXDgy23OL4InFGtb7UlitXuo+zlL0HBic6+FvXObVcpqT2kCrQu7dGHQD0xAgMxi30hSnOf9FbKEQB8E5sTvTwO5Ncr26JdsoQVajmZFDpo753l6eQazt4lRrQuxw8P9jEc0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IEw5nI/6me1ilohSF12rbtO2C7Djgug85mM/EjdCt1fmuip0jo4AmabnbPsBvQW94UlB9sugz//a6POSw7rWPAwVIjAdrRslGuelbihGrt5wMFMQJaEaaLrcU7klxFkFJu4CiYYMDuDMkn94HWmBfuzenLZMdX7IBWnZUIzstjA=; ku7GWmnQrgmwqFC9bout7EhC6A5CTnJGdjzEE_cO.TlS1PR.MvNl.L2JjMeN 86tv1mppDb5piPo4dc4Fj2Z.BMvfOZy4okJxad.h001Kq0ZA.49ocmDVDf42 YMjXd96yuhHydO_7x9Xe8UoECNTrivJMRgFmnYIehQPE69CZ8CFAwDl3sWr0 MWG9Xk9kZ73PYHzQQWgsXm46dfOoJLQhR_iV36xI5dPu.e.Br6YArgWAmqvn M.M2EPP2NFDSAl52dxTV74lCRGMpdjgWA9ynSJuuA4WVCzo5dyYonby1gnrV jn9nq6VWCxjd8WpvdnQujn0XbK3LrsaOhqntu4T2t.hF8VIPtT8gIOiM3po6 d1fO0XlxFPyd64dQz6LI6lxI3nlO_q0WA5F.tT4vv8hk0MNIYTMzoRutjydZ Pj4Ait9KUZrkrcG7WjuYiaePkvucMau6Kfuapa.YicByHkms5M0p4ly_3EmP 0Ynzv_TIekXsMU3YtjLNfg6Ua_JmAEAW_OeB9BKYdSp7JvUJCVafuVhckwbf Yf9OVxXc3XfvIiZPiXSjjzwzew0_TegFyQxXaEuK4vKlmrza6nWNBwlxwMVC iuFCk7CPTlX7fxtTvkzA- Received: from [50.90.58.159] by web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 17:56:56 PST RHVlIHRvIHRoZSBiYXR0ZXJ5IGJveCBhbmQgYWJzZW5jZSBvZiBleGhhdXN0IGN1dCBvdXRzIGluIHRoZSBYIGZyYW1lLMKgSSdtIGd1ZXNzaW5nIGl0J3MgbW9yZSBsaWtlbHkgYW4gZW50aXJlIEFscGluZSB0dWIgYW5kIHJlYXIgY2xpcCwgd2l0aCBvbmx5IGEgVGlnZXIgZnJvbnQgY2xpcC4KCsKgClN0ZXBoZW4gV2F5YnJpZ2h0CgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBSb2dlciBOeWJlcmcgPG55YmVyZy5yb2dlckB5YWhvby5jb20.ClRvOiAidGlnZXJzQGF1dG94LnQBMAEBAQE- References: <1388278038.17794.YahooMailNeo@web122503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 17:56:56 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Waybright To: Roger Nyberg , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] EBAY TIGER Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Due to the battery box and absence of exhaust cut outs in the X frame, I'm guessing it's more likely an entire Alpine tub and rear clip, with only a Tiger front clip. Stephen Waybright ________________________________ From: Roger Nyberg To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:47 PM Subject: [Tigers] EBAY TIGER With all the afore mentioned inconsistencies it would appear that rear end collision damage was repaired with a Series V Alpine rear clip. That being said wouldn't this car be eligible for a TAC authentation certificate and/or sticker? ROGER _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 20:26:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF8B400A5 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 20:26:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from atl4mhob12.myregisteredsite.com (atl4mhob12.myregisteredsite.com [209.17.115.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FCAB4006D for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 20:26:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailpod1.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.114]) by atl4mhob12.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBT3PGjX021176 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 22:25:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 5583 invoked by uid 0); 29 Dec 2013 03:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PeterPC) (peter@tcltd.pro@162.156.110.124) by 0 with ESMTPA; 29 Dec 2013 03:25:15 -0000 From: "Peter Sziklai" To: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 19:25:03 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac8ERY/iSH2SiH2bRoGJw/XGiqeMJA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] New to Site Activity Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello to all; I live in Vancouver BC and own and operate a mid size collision repair facility. While we no longer do much at all with specialty cars I do have some background and know my way around the sublet scene locally and farther afield. I have one friend who has asked no three times in the past 6 years to find another older car for him and the last one was delivered a few weeks ago. As you can guess it is a Tiger, as why else would I be here. Specifically it is a very nice driver grade MK II, which was bought in America ( from a simple posting on this site) and imported to Canada at the beginning of December. We drove the car the last 30 miles and it does work well. I will be starting a round of upgrades in the next few weeks and from what I have seen of this site there are a lot of friendly and helpful people. I will try not to ask lazy questions, but as many of you have already been there it does not make a lot of sense for me to start from scratch with each project. Best regards and Happy New Year to everyone. Peter _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 29 10:08:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC329403E7 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 10:08:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bosmailout03.eigbox.net (bosmailout03.eigbox.net [66.96.189.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80447403BA for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 10:08:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from bosmailscan11.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.11]) by bosmailout03.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1VxJpN-0000Vx-CE for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 12:07:01 -0500 Received: from bosimpout04.eigbox.net ([10.20.55.4]) by bosmailscan11.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1VxJpN-00089X-5w for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 12:07:01 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp06.eigbox.net ([10.20.18.6]) by bosimpout04.eigbox.net with NO UCE id 7V6z1n00F07rX7u01V6zvC; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 12:07:01 -0500 a=SHyvVz8TQuewofNHp6ZJtQ==:17 a=OPgJcfM40kIA:10 a=n0KVGEqHWhAA:10 a=kEh8VdYBrxAA:10 a=7cSlj-FvRxEA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=Or_tTDS8AAAA:8 a=f-lJ1Q9aRQQA:10 a=qyhIp2aKIJMxnV03o5cA:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=fIc3/5IyPUehxkj7BpkQ7Q==:117 Received: from [67.202.159.250] (port=3978 helo=[192.168.1.125]) by bosauthsmtp06.eigbox.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim) id 1VxJpL-0008UN-I6 for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 12:06:59 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 09:07:58 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Le Mans Alpine.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I was admiring a frontal photo of the Le Mans Alpine the other day, especially the head light treatment. Pretty swoopy. Has anyone used that concept on a newer car such as out Tigers? Or even later Alpines? It looks like a good aero mod for me to make to the LSR car in the future. Free HP! Where or who might I contact to get a cardboard template of the outline of the basic shape of the cut out in the fender? Any information to help me shape the look of the mod and where to cut metal would be good. Of course, I would not use a light there but simply a metal piece that is that shape, welded into place. Help? Comments? larry oh, and all ya'll have a great and safe New Years Day! -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 29 11:25:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDA5403FA for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 11:25:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C983403DD for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 11:25:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mbb02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbb02.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.112]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1E9277000009F for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 13:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqd001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.1]) by mtaomg-mbb02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E53F938000088 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 13:24:11 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 13:24:11 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1388341452; bh=UtB4Efsoo9BfnMdAnmRNP+/emQ4HCQFvAFjcudSd10k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UGkuf9D4wHnHqAAtUQgyQboGndhmmUkiC5DoCtx3tTkp03q7fGgsRtqtJHCHlBg55 oF82Jgy+2H6fVOEHYk7BwL7LHdOxoc0L6evrRabzRyXpnbwJ9GoZUjrHmIwM5PXv7O 6rG2xLZy7rPY2ctvClHPbcjKWkAaicS4zfSsYi6c= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe7052c068cb540e Subject: [Tigers] Tonneau doesn't quite fit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, Over the years, the tonneau that I have has shrunk a bit. Using it jeopardizes the male fasteners on the body and actually just won't quite fit. Worst spot is the pair on either side of the zipper under the windshield. Are there any techniques anyone knows to "stretch" it just a bit? It seems so wasteful (and expensive) to buy a new one... Happy New Year to all, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE TAC 0763 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 29 14:18:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CA140434 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 14:18:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23A640417 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 14:15:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7Yul1n0021HzFnQ58ZES1o; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 21:14:26 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7ZES1n0010fu9Ni3aZESbe; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 21:14:26 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: , References: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 16:14:20 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1388351666; bh=XaOoSh147CaBsnWjpDg7GZkEjPyRkpgYUb4s1x3mAAk=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=hLE/6Oqrs/pNi11Bdlo+THQNEaKdKL+kW267yRdndvhlbCpLFYwzswx6uUccbzPBZ R+OBxPEM052a7OnSRRbmnSCNw47NJhL19UK5n1ZJmi6WpHF5FbJZDASmRn8Vdib9rR j2XP8YqTaeQaehVvjNePfNFXy9WKPEHsg0uZnr9E280/W2qCf44FHJrdq4VBwNGXvo waQFXGVTt2voUij73acA6zx73XDJi05Kp9iiXsS/2cHsFo72NSMJj/uP/UxbYoiVKO e4huIe6NMbx+a2/UlZ3w64gZgkqtacIRbmhCsFgVTi0LXSrbvJ9eFiqeKFEm49At0q LAxk7jkFMCGHw== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tonneau doesn't quite fit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My tonneau is original, at least it was with the car when I got it in '77. The technique I use is quite simple, but it takes a bit of time. Attach the tonneau at the front, then wait a bit. How long? For me, its until the first really warm sunny day in the spring. Then I can stretch it enough to get the rear snaps in. Most times I use it, though, I don't attach it at the front. The door ones do enough of a job to hold it in place. Stu -----Original Message----- From: Rollright@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:24 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tonneau doesn't quite fit Hello, Over the years, the tonneau that I have has shrunk a bit. Using it jeopardizes the male fasteners on the body and actually just won't quite fit. Worst spot is the pair on either side of the zipper under the windshield. Are there any techniques anyone knows to "stretch" it just a bit? It seems so wasteful (and expensive) to buy a new one... Happy New Year to all, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE TAC 0763 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stubrennan@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 29 15:34:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4D0403D0 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 15:34:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0356440333 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 15:34:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7aXk1n0010cZkys5BaZ3W2; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 22:33:03 +0000 Received: from M6600 ([98.237.122.112]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7aZ31n0032RcbfE3WaZ3CJ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 22:33:03 +0000 From: "George" To: "'Stu Brennan'" , , References: <01BF3948F98648ED8C5A8D62D2FF504D@sbrennanPC> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 17:33:02 -0500 Thread-Index: AQKGQ55FeG3WalWw+Cjx8q7WOn/+PgEjb4McmPQoNHA= Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1388356383; bh=bpcmaWiCJlx24MV5Y7FLnX4yGTHnsdZTRdbb9GkrXn4=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=KYJHBiDyWRyL3XNBHh1fU3Uo3f2OtjpebXb16ha40u6TXbNRAFTTglJbAIRtLH/Q6 dpMdhiAIThXsJZDM1nZWTZhcsHPteUPWKqPEw6uBCZaO1xFsgb2O6JUJU0k8e5WvFS byoj75ICH4M6KOFqLBfmFybYi45olBpUJKcM8IUkQP19nn7MXNdQRK/87D84qK7tcQ EaoRLBDJlTxjJUT5yCV76Dyzvwbg6mf+q0KTK+c3fOquPY5rWu8VHMhk9K8y4BNInw CkC1Tk+a1kXaqDCjIrlx9CFFpKlhQHkNg5OaOcAAKt/eqbuxpeG5Ly3p/pwV6XZu0V Ery67ulIzeyyg== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tonneau doesn't quite fit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Gently pulling while playing a warm hair dryer across the material should let it stretch enough to be able to snap the fasteners. Don't get the hair dryer too close to the material but after warming it up, it will stretch. George 382000283LRXFE -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stu Brennan Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 4:14 PM To: Rollright@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tonneau doesn't quite fit My tonneau is original, at least it was with the car when I got it in '77. The technique I use is quite simple, but it takes a bit of time. Attach the tonneau at the front, then wait a bit. How long? For me, its until the first really warm sunny day in the spring. Then I can stretch it enough to get the rear snaps in. Most times I use it, though, I don't attach it at the front. The door ones do enough of a job to hold it in place. Stu -----Original Message----- From: Rollright@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:24 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tonneau doesn't quite fit Hello, Over the years, the tonneau that I have has shrunk a bit. Using it jeopardizes the male fasteners on the body and actually just won't quite fit. Worst spot is the pair on either side of the zipper under the windshield. Are there any techniques anyone knows to "stretch" it just a bit? It seems so wasteful (and expensive) to buy a new one... Happy New Year to all, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE TAC 0763 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stubrennan@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gleibert185@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 29 15:50:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB0240525 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 15:50:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B64E403D5 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 15:50:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([209.59.83.132]) by p3plsmtpa07-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 7aoi1n0022rHzoZ01aoifL; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 15:48:44 -0700 Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 18:48:41 -0400 From: Chris Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: Rollright@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tonneau doesn't quite fit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net What you need to do is get the fabric to "relax" a bit. I've read you can do this by soaking it in a solution of water and a little bit of baby shampoo or fabric softener. And then steam will work, too - if you don't have a steamer (what - you don't have a steamer?) then your favorite iron would probably do.... Chris B382000331 On 12/29/2013 2:24 PM, Rollright@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > Over the years, the tonneau that I have has shrunk a bit. > Using it jeopardizes the male fasteners on the body and actually just > won't quite fit. Worst spot is the pair on either side of the zipper under > the windshield. > > Are there any techniques anyone knows to "stretch" it just a bit? > It seems so wasteful (and expensive) to buy a new one... > > Happy New Year to all, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > TAC 0763 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/chris@cthompson.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 29 19:42:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DED3403F6 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 19:42:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com (mail-pa0-f42.google.com [209.85.220.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3499240333 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 19:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id lj1so11230894pab.29 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 18:40:41 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IcVDfrivMWKmu7T4f6sjMxUfV448VCWffKFxhKsD8Ik=; b=HwZdBZza8yTVN6oqlKqFPsefkzOjrbVg/P6ryiT+kL3qA9tFIUAvGpiEGrDMV5AQ2T YK8hnOE7vJAIIVhvcDdTYXJPIMLz20iBt6Iy36gUfZZRz5Aob2DvP13DrxJOOyL0xV64 nM2TD2G8duDXgohoq7gu9bFL5fk19S8KKtnaVYVMasJ1A4EPQseSzUesu+tcWhZsaIMh QpKQD1DBQr6OCmNOYkH0lY8wcrC9ftEuzlIVx385JzRHbkVlwlgkcF+yAOhFIlWTXc3i MA+QgSjiG5ql1jQDdv6IXlMZembn5hqe30ASCeHYpoOQTNBxGBeN/ue3IDKOaQsUsXkU vMxQ== eg7mr66101251pac.135.1388371240948; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 18:40:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.7] ([69.59.199.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m2sm77679383pbn.19.2013.12.29.18.40.38 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 29 Dec 2013 18:40:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 18:40:28 -0800 From: Alex Haugland User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Original Underbody finish? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello! I'm currently taking my Tiger apart to be stripped back to bare metal and repainted in the original colour. As I'm looking at bringing the car back to as original a condition as possible I'm curious as to how the underside of the Tiger was originally finished. My car currently has an old rubberized undercoating that has become brittle and is starting to flake off, so it will be stripped off as well. Was this the original finish of the underside or was it painted body colour, black, or some other colour? The engine and gearbox will be coming out tomorrow along with the exhaust, fuel lines, brake lines, and suspension and the car will be ready to go to the paint shop. --Alex Haugland Eugene, Oregon B9470334LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 29 20:29:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B715E403FE for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 20:29:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f170.google.com (mail-lb0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA614003F for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 20:29:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id c11so5302228lbj.15 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 19:28:14 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=A4enaK+p1zN0ZCO6uZa9CIc5VbiZd7FDfkHqaqbhgKs=; b=lT5DKoZvG5/rUX7cPaZHtYEMkMHTdAG5oIorJqV7SxVdwDRlEJe+mdhPqg4z0EfAtj L3D6pcvp1JSMP9AonCzpzLmdwK7ldTorl/VECv593I1YSstvOLFx+Cc2MI/n6WeZt8L+ wofzvtY7h/zd8MtpG5YlbimkbnfI3+cztIOU/1lwAImpUDZy7r3zMtAShXRRelJXxXIo d4VZGd4plnTzRjij38+O/K14nv74NG2BCL7sAxZOgX/1XeCivPgaWlElYMTCVkkVh2e0 Cb4rZ50V90g/6KjX4/g2PBbAOiv/BEtXyh5kDwhpMoOxXhQieR6g2vUG7ba6C3IJQl/R +pjw== vg9mr2616087lac.55.1388374094325; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 19:28:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.200.105 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 19:28:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.200.105 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 19:28:13 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 22:28:13 -0500 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: Rollright@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tonneau doesn't quite fit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I made a tight fitting cover on a TR6 fit by soaking it in hot water ( washing machine ) towel drying it off quickly and fitting it to the car and letting to dry on there. Michael Shortt On Dec 29, 2013 10:23 PM, wrote: > Hello, > > Over the years, the tonneau that I have has shrunk a bit. > Using it jeopardizes the male fasteners on the body and actually just > won't quite fit. Worst spot is the pair on either side of the zipper > under > the windshield. > > Are there any techniques anyone knows to "stretch" it just a bit? > It seems so wasteful (and expensive) to buy a new one... > > Happy New Year to all, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 > LRXFE > TAC 0763 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 09:09:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB6F40520 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:09:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C87403EA for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:01:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rBUFx6oP027176; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 08:00:25 -0800 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d1a6a209) id sj1-dm103.5283113a.5295aa; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 08:00:20 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.178.170]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:00:17 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Alex Haugland'" , Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:00:12 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac8FCZnJSBvNJr3lQxOtK7/DS5l2wAAbf7Yg engine=2.50.10432:5.11.87,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-12-30_02:2013-12-30,2013-12-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1312300090 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Underbody finish? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Alex I'm not the expert on the underside but I believe as you peel the undercoat off you will find body color paint then red oxide primer. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alex Haugland Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 9:40 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Original Underbody finish? Hello! I'm currently taking my Tiger apart to be stripped back to bare metal and repainted in the original colour. As I'm looking at bringing the car back to as original a condition as possible I'm curious as to how the underside of the Tiger was originally finished. My car currently has an old rubberized undercoating that has become brittle and is starting to flake off, so it will be stripped off as well. Was this the original finish of the underside or was it painted body colour, black, or some other colour? The engine and gearbox will be coming out tomorrow along with the exhaust, fuel lines, brake lines, and suspension and the car will be ready to go to the paint shop. --Alex Haugland Eugene, Oregon B9470334LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6956 - Release Date: 12/28/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 09:49:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C39403FA for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:49:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23049403EA for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:48:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [108.47.114.228]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MYM00LU2PAA21L0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 10:46:59 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <0948E39D1BCE46788EC6F688F3ADB6D2@ronpc1> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 08:47:01 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Underbody finish? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Alex, As best I recall Ron is correct. "Been there, done that" nearly 14 years ago. Though I might add that I had considerable rust. Some surface rust, some more than surface. I prepped for POR-15 which requires removal to bare metal. My recollection about the red oxide primer and body color paint is that I wondered if I was doing the right thing by removing it. But, as I stated there was considerable rust so ... . I don't doubt that the application of primer and was rather spotty given the areas of rust and the chore of removing paint and primer. Anyway, it won't take much to scrape off some undercoat and see the layers beneath - just in case my memory is as failing as my wife indicates it is. :-) Tom > Alex > I'm not the expert on the underside but I believe as you peel the > undercoat off you will find body color paint then red oxide primer. > > Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 14:27:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090714295A for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:27:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm46.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm46.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D34640437 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:19:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm46.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2013 21:17:46 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.201] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2013 21:17:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2013 21:17:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 14996 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2013 21:17:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1388438265; bh=4qKY5+sPw728GoTbnlEe9gaSpCrCexx9ThlM790MViY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=j0ow6EJoHSPmVwWclOvWxSJQrX+h6y6OvVWkfxqcla5HOkEzGScB5fnNguSXuNClhEY3pcOAOpJ+J+sRVA40HTgSoSLenxY+EB3kH+3Ie+0F87OuUxfg5/tFapa2Y0/8Exl+5C7avcwog7wnUzGITt67EG4jhAJZaa4USww/QyA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wJulEH37wnqiwmh6QIqJrjbLGyJql+cJ8BHOkCssN9H5gmQBQ+SncvpScvI6tXstrz54LraTL47YbmrwJanSxRlol0J6mvG2JvY+Bbx7B45ge6P+nuBoca6WDrKMe4Ki7ibeD5fP/5aEYh5aGFk/DrGCqxXSCo3vQsYa02tjids=; 9Ta7pxsQCC84t2wIV6vFSv2IW22jnYY5B0ie2W.8WGuF3rIaBxJfYWtXvqTR 5vZe5.RKZ3R..CPDnOdAM4l58M2OZrk2S2hV6JtTCoDEr00p1Kd5aotkq2_T 89zPgbPDigl_wHlTH81tq7a2cDqKpQK4_FcYOKKNfW56wErDsTUg8nXfYXSN iPY2vVlTGPVCIfvL9_ggUZOxdomUo5CIc3nTiJdSR8.Wb4AbW05xdvJbnyo2 swkIYaG9L7ycn1e9AIhv2jD283D1MyDpBg3l5Kfu5KmPhDheZd8K8hMvW5SN RjvR11fB4vmHVEjL5AqiD00IMbPPNPkumn9pcIGXmRqjnNapOyJ_v7PWiMY5 kRqsY4KhZM4viu_O8ahLMXBZEioLbemzls1T6WeqD8VgCgJYipZpIpRrVYHr QsVTgB6qsvgJrV6Aq6zrnf0czu4V4GJ0Jl4pV2VOC8U.01Kw5iGRcSyVj_xJ wLb_v4NFHrQ7nqPTNbp0Xid5gVcSG6StEQd2lvdBotAniX3oS0NdB2VDDVSw uV_ZlM9abWXPAcdhG4A102oE0CeyFAHCRqJhn6gxl4NVvW4uFWU1bqsJKrvo j6T71pU73FOZqEOHMyAVWLdbkPbeC3R.4KV9xQEKH7Ks5HRNLQ5fFn9sPZe9 Et2teR5BV27aA2Sku Received: from [76.126.205.219] by web142705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 13:17:45 PST UXVpdGUgYSBiaXQgb2YgZGlzY3Vzc2lvbiBhbmQgZmluZGluZ3MgaGVyZS4uLgoKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5jYXRtYnIub3JnL1ZCX2ZvcnVtL3Nob3d0aHJlYWQucGhwP3Q9MTAzMyZoaWdobGlnaHQ9dW5kZXJjb2F0CgoKSW4gbXkgY2FzZSwgdGhlIGNhciBoYXMgcmVkIG94aWRlLCB3aXRoIHVuZGVyY29hdGluZywgdGhlbiBzb21lIGJvZHkgY29sb3Igb3ZlcnNwcmF5IGluc2lkZSBmZW5kZXJzLiDCoFdoaWNoIHNlZW1zIG1vc3QgdHlwaWNhbCBmb3IgdGhlIFRpZ2Vycywgd2hpbGUgdGhlIEFscGluZXMgYW5kIHMBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 13:17:45 -0800 (PST) From: Derek Daily To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Original Undercoating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Quite a bit of discussion and findings here... http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=1033&highlight=undercoat In my case, the car has red oxide, with undercoating, then some body color overspray inside fenders. Which seems most typical for the Tigers, while the Alpines and some Tigers may differ. Derek Daily dtdaily@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 15:23:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C6140546 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 15:23:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15B0403F6 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 15:20:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mbd02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbd02.mx.aol.com [172.26.252.16]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5B03B700000AA for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:18:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqd001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.1]) by mtaomg-mbd02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1C60E38000083 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:18:25 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:18:25 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1388441905; bh=EzCyMJcYWAtz82kdLb+G9qOMdtvcpfvtbFnCHicYhpE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qyLSy+V2TFYAd+fiG1LppB0/zrzKscYzarWnVyTH1Zyt9Jc5N4IFeBdfyDy/1bwae TnG3zTBK7CidLkMyjPfHJPQnG/MX4tN10Zdo0vuMxrea5dS1ApaGCpJLLJE1G2ehqo gW0RGlLZ2X3Y0XBOXYeCX+UyGwprUIgwFe28wPZg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afc1052c1f1317608 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tonneau fitment tips Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, Thanks to all that responded to my query about stretching the tonneau. Many good ideas: mostly warm day, steam, hot water and patience Happy New Year! Jim Armstrong _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 16:39:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D44640436 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:39:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9641403F6 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:39:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [108.47.114.228]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MYN008VU8AZZNL1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:37:47 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <1388278038.17794.YahooMailNeo@web122503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1388282216.43209.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 15:37:50 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] EBAY TIGER Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The auction was suppose to end today (not sure what time). However, when I went to look (3:30 PM pacific time) the car wasn't showing up. I checked the auction section (Ebay Motors, Cars & Trucks, Sunbeam Tiger). I also checked "sold Items," and "Completed Items" and it wasn't showing there either. Anyone know anything??? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 16:55:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0492440437 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:55:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AEE2403ED for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:54:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131230235329.QAC4590.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:53:29 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.10.189.218]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id 7ztH1n0164j9v0L01ztVyW; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:53:29 -0500 a=AnUmfZPwR93rhp0I5fQn+w==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=Wajolswj7cQA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=n8i27M1mAAAA:8 a=bESoPIu6Zg0A:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=EA2_GHf-Ye4E_f6HDWIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=rMw7f8_kSAvXKjZG:21 a=AnUmfZPwR93rhp0I5fQn+w==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=jimdamelio@cox.net Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:53:12 -0500 From: Jim D'Amelio To: Thomas Witt , tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] EBAY TIGER Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It sold for 36,100.11 to someone with 52 feedbacks. I can't get it to show up in the STOA TAC database. Why is the JAL tag riveted on? It's a pretty car, but too many items point to it being an Algar. Even if it is TAC'ed, I wouldn't spent that kind of money and have to keep explaining all those Alpine bits. Sent from Samsung tablet -------- Original message -------- >From Thomas Witt Date: 12/30/2013 6:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To tigers@autox.team.net Subject Re: [Tigers] EBAY TIGER The auction was suppose to end today (not sure what time).B However, when I went to look (3:30 PM pacific time) the car wasn't showing up. I checked the auction section (Ebay Motors, Cars & Trucks, Sunbeam Tiger).B I also checked "sold Items," and "Completed Items" and it wasn't showing there either. Anyone know anything??? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimdamelio@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 05:09:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2914842EEC for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 05:09:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from n12-vm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (n12-vm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [66.196.81.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E8BF64043C for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 05:08:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from [72.30.235.67] by n12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2013 12:06:49 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.230] by t4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2013 12:06:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2013 12:06:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 44558 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2013 12:06:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1388491609; bh=NFN3tGO9jdYofByGvQ40ATcwos5UrU36BPa3+ew3TR8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yibXPV6rVwEBbKtecixsyKwnyxteGdMJOGShKZ7EXzxJ3878s3oCPqF1H/0skDOsu3O4yI5nmVvdZG1w8Bgw9/uv9Q7jSVWsq8YQFH8iW6I7CdFi/Kt/DyK/0kQMGvatN69oVYUKdjrMz3Xggwpq/4T55pLA11bitMWB+RiEtbA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qh3yMeiqSVCZCpChIyjUwu68/98V6wdYmNU4piP8hfo0oookEssy/+O9b47jOxw8FjqI1NNJHJoibxmnRMQ8T4QpO6AsWi/7IMHlZTliYW1AIXGmGKGFTUJC/er2DqdqImy2v2JqWWvUOmTAae1yP/+cewwltN40IWRZPMzKHYY=; BaYpNTnhjcqeyxe40G7GVBgYnpfWxcU.GbA81aWRoNWwxv0BYgkrHs.NALG3 D3DgcYc.Mm6gSAr9lLF8mvoMa0rorVXhdeFrIjfD5gQD0uunHB8Sp6AEDwCe lxqg0r9EjtsYcf9U5VEYF4MnQxFanngckv_pMysZwHpWhLa_Dp35kQLBKuA4 3kyCehUJ4lm4MC.omc5aUO9AodNslw34q8acj6mTfDi5CDBFwzLFytS6gvl2 7pwB5urrFYsE6LJGDNDwE5srjbJ8ebfIkGov9pHXYQcoagQ5EpXCEnmg0qdn 7g0GHxrB_1qcOp_Ex2YharWCQZnFf3XgNIiO2E2_QIevx5C4A_bjePDqOb8Y Yf7zZlEZIKPP8kIfQvSOKZAp5emtiq.fM8.Edse_XACgZF_hTD9SqkjL2ReE B0_a.TrC6bPmK1A1NVb1FCsfWKCjUbhY2C6VJPNF8ZKMHR_pUQtWr3h44Zeh bTmHBx96ceqxjRPCqiEq.5yvwevXYK9A- Received: from [173.48.171.211] by web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 04:06:49 PST QSBsb3Qgb2YgY29tbWVudCBoYXMgZm9sbG93ZWQgdGhlIGNvdmVyYWdlIG9mIHRoZSBsYXRlc3QgZUJheSBUaWdlciwgYnV0IGl0IGRvZXNuJ3Qgc2VlbSBhcyB0aG91Z2ggYW55b25lIGNvbW1lbnRpbmcgZnJvbSBvdXIgbGlzdCBoYXMgYWN0dWFsbHkgc2VlbiB0aGUgY2FyLiBBbGwgd2Uga25vdyBmcm9tIHRoZSBwaG90b3MgaXMgdGhhdCB0aGlzIGNhciBoYXMgYmVlbiBtb2RpZmllZCBpbiB3YXlzIHRoYXQgY2FzdCBkb3VidCBvbiB3aGV0aGVyIGl0J3MgYSBnZW51aW5lIFRpZ2VyLCB0byBzb21lIGZvbGsBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 04:06:49 -0800 (PST) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] eBay Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A lot of comment has followed the coverage of the latest eBay Tiger, but it doesn't seem as though anyone commenting from our list has actually seen the car. All we know from the photos is that this car has been modified in ways that cast doubt on whether it's a genuine Tiger, to some folks. As pricing these days goes for Tigers, $36K seems to be at the bottom of the range, and if this car really is a Tiger, at the least the new owner bought it right. At the worst, the new owner knew it was an Alger and reasoned that they didn't care-it was close enough and affordable enough. As for it being TAC'd, it would be nice to learn what a TAC team thought of the car, but that won't happen until the new owner asks a local team to look at it for certification purposes. TAC isn't going to start that process on its own. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 10:47:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2579E42F93 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:47:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D683742F3D for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:46:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mbc01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbc01.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.143]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 66AF0700000A5; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mle001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.196]) by mtaomg-mbc01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2B13338000087; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:45:23 -0500 (EST) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:45:23 -0500 (EST) To: mark44124@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1388511923; bh=VheNq/Gxx4H8DrNEGVLGsuFwV4NR8KnfD1E4yBdJTas=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=c4v2T9bNukr34PWWGJtsKbn9tzM3jhPI3nxzXQ5bOAqingtMyLzbGiuiAtY1QMseN yV+f2XTi3YulVr1wbOEqTuDikKPNaaaGGJ6LN7gZB7QvTIYr4buMu4l+R1PaNR2adF GpBYMPT5ASQc1JoPYPzeIk5cH32CB1vxRg942mWM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1add8f52c302b3268f Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the detailed response. I really like the "period correct" look of the PL700, but it seems possible to pick up performance with a more modern design. I've also heard that QC on the reproductions can be somewhat hit/miss? Mike In a message dated 12/28/2013 1:12:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mark44124@gmail.com writes: Mike, Consider these GE Nighthawk Sport H6024NHS 7" sealed beams, they put out twice the light on low beam over the old incandescents and are only 35 watts per lamp. They are low enough of a draw you can use them as DRL (daylight running lamps) for additional visibility even running the generator. The high beams are 65 watts and throw quite a nice pattern. On sale now at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/GE-H6024NHS-Nighthawk-Automotive-Headlight/dp/B0017ODW 1C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388263695&sr=8-1&keywords=ge+H6024NHS Be forewarned, the classic sealed beam will completely disappear in a couple years, if ANYONE needs headlights you better buy some now and stash them away. Be very wary of buying old non-sealed lamp shells such as the P700 or Hella/Cibie types, as the reflective coating inside decays rapidly and you wind up loosing much of the light output. This is a fundamental problem with this type of forward lighting, which is why the DOT outlawed them back in the '50's. A sealed beam always gives you a fresh reflector with every new lamp. Bugz - 32 years in the Automotive/Halogen lighting industry -----Original Message----- From: MWood24020@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 1:49 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Headlights Other options? I'm thinking a more modern Hella (or equivalent) halogen might function better? TIA Mike _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 10:59:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CC642FB2 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:59:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f54.google.com (mail-qa0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98DB42F4B for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:58:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id f11so11854358qae.6 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:57:21 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=oYi9O0ktxS6lP879u6PrLwlWO+XGRi53D7nnKDhRL64=; b=00Dvmab3A3sKoBCQYcxFvRLdEohgwhkBs+e+NZs7aCzB+edQ2A2BG/9PTg5JB7pw2k yfuNFUgTwIlW70eeo2WSxtu9VNtF0BaVkdI9mE9H9Z2T/B8dRmwpfBp+OS48WNM+2WY3 fJKXRhgBa65sceP3Jl/SSl76SkMG9UTr4KESny+nP+fNTGWLkN5LbvmBgZiaenUEXgFe wmVU14MzEHmljd1ipSREPaSpyk7JEOc6aWiSQ8uX4A4cWW3Rm0NQLf02LP7Jl6bo1US4 bDlfRGub7SBRsg/1lwGT9/YQXRDE/20xCLYy5IA9GjTnrLx6acfzdUdHBa2WoaRpuFKj 5RUw== j2mr119280196qci.6.1388512641616; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.46.130 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:57:21 -0800 (PST) References: <1388491609.93982.YahooMailNeo@web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:57:21 -0500 From: Jeffery Randall To: snakebit289 Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] eBay Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net AMEN ! On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 7:06 AM, snakebit289 wrote: > A lot of comment has followed the coverage of the latest eBay Tiger, but > it doesn't seem as though anyone commenting from our list has actually seen > the car. All we know from the photos is that this car has been modified in > ways that cast doubt on whether it's a genuine Tiger, to some folks. As > pricing these days goes for Tigers, $36K seems to be at the bottom of the > range, and if this car really is a Tiger, at the least the new owner bought > it right. At the worst, the new owner knew it was an Alger and reasoned > that they didn't care-it was close enough and affordable enough. > > As for it being TAC'd, it would be nice to learn what a TAC team thought > of the car, but that won't happen until the new owner asks a local team to > look at it for certification purposes. TAC isn't going to start that > process on its own. > > Rande Bellman > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 14:14:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9FB43014 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 14:14:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f42.google.com (mail-yh0-f42.google.com [209.85.213.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BD842F49 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 14:13:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yh0-f42.google.com with SMTP id z6so2619757yhz.15 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:12:27 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:from:content-type:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=G5i0JAMs9lrCbBjD7eZCmh+F+vV9qmEO283PzTzD3Po=; b=GeV0BLc5Bbg5siYNI7IisoBYhrSx3LXcigxsfr5TisoWcbVDYSeKz0Yxfv+4OhrhGx J8NZy4Ll/R+jJS3mz/ejNMmP88hlFscuSRQgOT1Je8lYj+JjzRBcLpOm8H69lL/ZZSL5 zxx2p5+e8/m5/L845+huqf+H/tQ/Yp7w9XrVbameeS2EXU22p9y4MHALig94P8LRZdGu pojdnQUGPQ6oQU8O3vT+muuDuz80RPaZtkvXaCVOdcKWn9wKksN+RX7FpvkQkkDX1If+ PzAks8A7r01UO3Eq99ehaJGTfyWQxvvBk5gzD5MGHJLMZcnKzfQ+bqpmzvn24keClED7 strA== r34mr8992219yhi.62.1388524347146; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (71-80-50-181.dhcp.mant.nc.charter.com. [71.80.50.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r64sm68130984yhc.23.2013.12.31.13.12.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:12:26 -0800 (PST) From: "H. B. Elam" Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:12:28 -0500 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Demister hoses Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net After having received them years ago from SS, I tried to install the driver side hose today while under the dash on another project. Found that the hose size is identical to both the windshield vent and the 90 degree rubber at the box, about 1 3/8". So I wondered how they connect. Consulting my Rootes master parts list I found that S1 & S2 Alpines had sleeves at these connections, while S3 and later have a different part numbers for the hoses but no sleeves. Could it be possible that my car was build with old parts or is there some other way to connect these. Any thoughts appreciated. Harry Elam B382000471 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 18:39:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F212542EF9 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 18:39:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nschwqsrv01p.mx.bigpond.com (nschwqsrv01p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.189.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C50142EF9 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 18:38:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from nschwcmgw05p ([61.9.190.165]) by nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20140101001425.ZGRG2038.nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwcmgw05p>; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 00:14:25 +0000 Received: from HOME ([124.191.92.239]) by nschwcmgw05p with BigPond Outbound id 8QEQ1n00J59rp9G01QEQ3j; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 00:14:25 +0000 a=kL2kyyFpet2vyhcPZIEflA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Sv2sojjTAAAA:8 a=qXVN0dLIYw4A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=QrVWhbZvAAAA:8 a=Vtl6JQu7DSMUfxaavp8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=kL2kyyFpet2vyhcPZIEflA==:117 From: "Wally Menke" To: References: <8D0DF3C8EB2D4DF492CA03095BD555C9@delld630> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 11:14:21 +1100 Thread-Index: Ac8EHKDGX53Jb92/SaeKEjGgFJPBAgCZyK+A Content-Language: en-au Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Owain My first car in 1973 was a 1960 VW Beatle with 6V electrics. If you want to know about bad head lights at night and in the rain, this is as challenging as it gets. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Sunday, 29 December 2013 9:32 AM To: Allan Ballard Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights Personally, I hate driving at night so I use ultra bright xenon H4 bulbs to make sure I can see. I got them in a period yellow/white colour rather than the more usual blueish tint, but they provide stacks of light and only draw 55W. Short of full on HIDs, they were the best I found. Real period lights bring me to a complete standstill in the rain at night. It's a pretty subjective topic to touch on :) On Dec 28, 2013 10:16 PM, "Allan Ballard" wrote: _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 22:38:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB0442F1F for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 22:38:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4923842F03 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 22:38:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8VYF1n0010ldTLk59Vd4e9; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 05:37:04 +0000 Received: from OldHickory.comcast.net ([24.125.152.10]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8Vcp1n0070DizLw01Vd4T6; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 05:37:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2014 00:27:01 -0500 To: "Wally Menke" , From: Marc James Small References: <8D0DF3C8EB2D4DF492CA03095BD555C9@delld630> <001401cf0686$6c0c1830$44244890$@net.au> s=q20121106; t=1388554624; bh=J7fK5Kmerrn8APzXQU2bvKAxcknHT/w2T18QBFpfs+8=; h=Received:Received:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=ctIcm5K+N43DrRuw6qTHafI6fCdf/mGuCT1cqIJSiLhRmRzIOCammoQi/HOixknw8 INSqZmQZJdqKb59Tw/7TnOKF5B9pMoeDZ8d2IzmzaKt4uji2vwlQPon3WnjCAE7TG0 JdkGE6zIyCJeNTc4JK7ryalasqJcZnQ17Ls98TAclpFY8u0un3NsP9i6yL7DnzyoIX +Du4uMksHi42tCkCkU5OjqOX0PFyp3dVpNe2DJJg/qe9JOXje4N6wBjk7z/gGtXdJd JUhBDv1dcFvlktK2mi53PWKZnHAwtT6hjXPtWjPSl6A0ucoATgPCSnnl1IsS60wex3 9LUeh9A1CDamw== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At 07:14 PM 12/31/2013, Wally Menke wrote: >Hi Owain > >My first car in 1973 was a 1960 VW Beatle with 6V electrics. If you want to >know about bad head lights at night and in the rain, this is as challenging >as it gets. I had a number of 6v VW's over the years, the first in 1970. I would replace the 6v generator with a 12v and then install a relay between the generator output and the fuse box. Worked fine for me! Of course, you had to replace all of lightbulbs and the windshield wiper motor, but otherwise it worked just fine. I learned to drive on a 6v 1960 VW ragtop in San Francisco and driving a car with 6v headlamps through a peasoup fog taught me a lot about defensive driving! Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net