From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 1 09:43:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC98258479A for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 09:43:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096DB258074D for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 09:43:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141101154636.NSCT4263.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 11:46:36 -0400 Received: from HMLLC ([68.102.50.93]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id AFmb1p00F20eouU01FmbJL; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 11:46:36 -0400 a=Vk2N/N7Q17+87UKd/TOu5Q==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=IwfWvWuxXY4g2lqSazQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=dLsz-At-SdGHmtYwCX8A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=Vk2N/N7Q17+87UKd/TOu5Q==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=hallmotors@cox.net From: "hallmotors" To: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 10:46:37 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac/15PhdOpKvijylT7yHb8ZyEbxgOQABfnPQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have an oil leak from the passenger bank valve cover onto the exhaust manifold (toward the back, say above about at the #3 or #4 cylinder location) and thus need to remove the valve cover to install a new gasket. My Tiger has the original 260 engine with LAT-8 Aluminum finned Tiger Powered by Ford valve covers attached with allen head bolts. I've looked at what I could find in the archives on removing the valve covers but am still looking for advice. I basically have three questions, 1) can this style valve cover be removed without dropping the engine, 2) I'm having problems getting an allen wrench on the top back valve cover bolt and it appears there's no firewall access hole for the passenger bank; any advice here, and 3) once the bolts are out, any advice on how to get the valve cover up, over and off. Thanks guys, Brad Hall Wichita, KS LRXFE609 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 1 10:27:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391C925845E0 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 10:27:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6083258074D for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 10:25:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sA1GVLTb026379; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 09:33:03 -0700 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d1a6a206) id dm0219.5450537c.3ee0b; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 09:28:37 -0700 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.145.80]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 16:28:31 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'hallmotors'" , Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:28:26 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac/15PhdOpKvijylT7yHb8ZyEbxgOQABfnPQAAD+NyA= engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-11-01_03:2014-10-31,2014-11-01,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1411010169 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Brad Check to see if there is some debris in that Allen head - use some compressed air to blow it clear - then see if the Allen wrench fits better and you are able to turn it out. You should check all the Allen bolts - maybe they should be replaced. I will yield to those who have LAT valve cover about removal. It should come off without dropping the engine. The stock valve cover can be a bit of a knuckle buster but they will come off without dropping the engine. Stock Tiger Engine Study - when you get the valve cover off - check the head casting date and let me know - I'll add it to your other information. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of hallmotors Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:47 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal I have an oil leak from the passenger bank valve cover onto the exhaust manifold (toward the back, say above about at the #3 or #4 cylinder location) and thus need to remove the valve cover to install a new gasket. My Tiger has the original 260 engine with LAT-8 Aluminum finned Tiger Powered by Ford valve covers attached with allen head bolts. I've looked at what I could find in the archives on removing the valve covers but am still looking for advice. I basically have three questions, 1) can this style valve cover be removed without dropping the engine, 2) I'm having problems getting an allen wrench on the top back valve cover bolt and it appears there's no firewall access hole for the passenger bank; any advice here, and 3) once the bolts are out, any advice on how to get the valve cover up, over and off. Thanks guys, Brad Hall Wichita, KS LRXFE609 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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[142.166.61.235]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w6sm12521517qas.26.2014.11.01.10.21.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 01 Nov 2014 10:21:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Munroe" To: "hallmotors" , References: <000901cff5eb$05e92980$11bb7c80$@cox.net> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 14:21:12 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Brad : Condolences. I have the similar alloy valve covers that have Tiger on them. I had an exhaust manifold bolt spit out on the driver's side, (you are lucky your leak is on the pass. side!) and the gasket damaged on a trip, and couldn't get at it until I returned home to my garage and the myriad of special tools I have made up to get at the spark plugs on the driver's side. Everything on that side had to be removed to get at the ex. manifold, including the valve cover. I had to remove the valve cover to remove the ex. manifold gasket, as the cover hangs out over the edge of the cyl. head, and wouldn't allow the gasket to pass by. That rear allen head bolt was a bugger. I got it out with a 1/4" drive allen key with a couple of short extensions and two universal joints. Ron's tip to blow out the hole is a good one. I was fortunate that I had installed the covers with ARP allen bolts, as they have a deep socket hole, into which I stuck some aluminum foil to make the key a tight fit, so it wouldn't drop off the key when it cleared the hole. Getting the cover off was another problem, but with some patience and finely honed Chinese puzzle skills, it can be removed. Just keep at it and try not to scratch that cool cover too much! Also, a good trick with Small block Ford valve cover gaskets is not to tighten up the cover bolts too much. Barely finger tight and a bit is enough. The steel covers distort easily and rise up almost out of contact between the bolts. The alloy ones crack very easily. It's amazing how well they seal with very little pressure. Good luck with this Brad, and happy knuckle whacking! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "hallmotors" To: Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 12:46 PM Subject: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal >I have an oil leak from the passenger bank valve cover onto the exhaust > manifold (toward the back, say above about at the #3 or #4 cylinder > location) and thus need to remove the valve cover to install a new gasket. > My Tiger has the original 260 engine with LAT-8 Aluminum finned Tiger > Powered by Ford valve covers attached with allen head bolts. I've looked > at > what I could find in the archives on removing the valve covers but am > still > looking for advice. I basically have three questions, 1) can this style > valve cover be removed without dropping the engine, 2) I'm having problems > getting an allen wrench on the top back valve cover bolt and it appears > there's no firewall access hole for the passenger bank; any advice here, > and > 3) once the bolts are out, any advice on how to get the valve cover up, > over > and off. > > > > Thanks guys, > > Brad Hall > > Wichita, KS > > LRXFE609 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 1 11:44:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BAF4258455B for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 11:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com (mail-qc0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B542580A07 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 11:43:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id m20so7389096qcx.13 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 10:47:11 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=9m8W9ccKzopUBbOJ547r15jbkujB6P+tpTM2HwqamuI=; b=hh61gEaNinyGZQOiEGRMyWXcOlRbOduanQ62sCwzW6hYVWOlkLwLisj0fc3kD0TRbo DVG6OTRW9OwNKo4mAa+crGpb+AGLW33UcEM39nQCws4Vph+tGy0Ex+ISlKUjvL8xx7+s QS0AF9R90G+doYo0Wv2hXheTHbPTVm1oU541uHkdhamazC3r2Uw5vPUcq3F0AjVsgyCi NyCmdu9MaXtP+ZPd7osW1qNbGneS4cxWTajVMBde4VDJKQKWQwdFLskMnokryIsDp+bL mzuMvMnRjvUaZaPs5aHeVp2DkWSjEXy9TxTsVTh/Ff2ZSKFOWCEZ5e7gGHd607EFXjv0 UwiQ== Sat, 01 Nov 2014 10:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.112.70 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 10:47:10 -0700 (PDT) References: <000901cff5eb$05e92980$11bb7c80$@cox.net> <1C942104022A41A0886FDCA69FA3189D@DavePC> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 13:47:10 -0400 From: Tom Parker To: Dave Munroe Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I put SS "Cobra" valve covers on my Mark 2 with allen screws. I have to lower the rear of the engine (remove the frame bolts from the transmission rear mount, with a jack under the mount and lower slowly...). The cover fins aren't relieved in the rear like the Tiger covers so I have to tap the engine 'round with the starter 'till the #8 rocker arms are low to get the cover off. (The right side head is further forward; that shouldn't be a problem on the right side of the car.) I don't recall a problem with the allen screws. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Dave Munroe wrote: > Hi Brad : > > Condolences. > > I have the similar alloy valve covers that have Tiger on them. > > I had an exhaust manifold bolt spit out on the driver's side, (you are > lucky your leak is on the pass. side!) and the gasket damaged on a trip, > and couldn't get at it until I returned home to my garage and the myriad of > special tools I have made up to get at the spark plugs on the driver's > side. Everything on that side had to be removed to get at the ex. manifold, > including the valve cover. > > I had to remove the valve cover to remove the ex. manifold gasket, as the > cover hangs out over the edge of the cyl. head, and wouldn't allow the > gasket to pass by. > > That rear allen head bolt was a bugger. I got it out with a 1/4" drive > allen key with a couple of short extensions and two universal joints. > Ron's tip to blow out the hole is a good one. I was fortunate that I had > installed the covers with ARP allen bolts, as they have a deep socket hole, > into which I stuck some aluminum foil to make the key a tight fit, so it > wouldn't drop off the key when it cleared the hole. > > Getting the cover off was another problem, but with some patience and > finely honed Chinese puzzle skills, it can be removed. Just keep at it and > try not to scratch that cool cover too much! > > Also, a good trick with Small block Ford valve cover gaskets is not to > tighten up the cover bolts too much. Barely finger tight and a bit is > enough. The steel covers distort easily and rise up almost out of contact > between the bolts. The alloy ones crack very easily. It's amazing how well > they seal with very little pressure. > > Good luck with this Brad, and happy knuckle whacking! > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "hallmotors" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 12:46 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal > > > I have an oil leak from the passenger bank valve cover onto the exhaust >> manifold (toward the back, say above about at the #3 or #4 cylinder >> location) and thus need to remove the valve cover to install a new gasket. >> My Tiger has the original 260 engine with LAT-8 Aluminum finned Tiger >> Powered by Ford valve covers attached with allen head bolts. I've looked >> at >> what I could find in the archives on removing the valve covers but am >> still >> looking for advice. I basically have three questions, 1) can this style >> valve cover be removed without dropping the engine, 2) I'm having problems >> getting an allen wrench on the top back valve cover bolt and it appears >> there's no firewall access hole for the passenger bank; any advice here, >> and >> 3) once the bolts are out, any advice on how to get the valve cover up, >> over >> and off. >> >> >> >> Thanks guys, >> >> Brad Hall >> >> Wichita, KS >> >> LRXFE609 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca >> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@ > gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 1 12:28:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0442580830 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:28:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-35.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A87258455B for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sA1IKMLI012355; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 11:20:42 -0700 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 401891a4) id dm0225.54505370.3f88f; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 11:16:55 -0700 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Dave Munroe'" , "'hallmotors'" , Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 14:16:45 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac/1+ZtovBrYIBq6RmWNZvqiDsaVkgABb60g engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-11-01_03:2014-10-31,2014-11-01,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1411010186 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Also, a good trick with Small block Ford valve cover gaskets is not to tighten up the cover bolts too much. Barely finger tight and a bit is enough. The steel covers distort easily and rise up almost out of contact between the bolts. The alloy ones crack very easily. It's amazing how well they seal with very little pressure. Good luck with this Brad, and happy knuckle whacking! Dave ----------------------------------- The torque value I have for the valve cover bolts is 3 - 5 ft lbs - retorque after the gasket has time to compress Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 1 13:15:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07C82580B32 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 13:15:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f51.google.com (mail-qg0-f51.google.com [209.85.192.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBC4258081A for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 13:15:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id j5so6942297qga.38 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 12:18:27 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ppzMyHVNkUaIusj5yFgTF4sIL3IYiyQtvVvfE88PnlE=; b=lQxylGwaWUAx/73muhJpXuN5SxX8t0G2q5A4rQs0oKAfo5ElPjZw8nrfbRBm2EAiAl a5IFzXiULensB7nz9FMzkVqqmCmiWewVg3OfA+W8IqzHk6r9XdcuFHc1ByP/F2l/4s59 lRcWSktVT/RawSo/0bQYH372MlwtajInugsrk= d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ppzMyHVNkUaIusj5yFgTF4sIL3IYiyQtvVvfE88PnlE=; b=IUbVk59MSf8dbpoYqUHa5HWZIO+mTet4Nw8dzkTUK7VpZVwUAHyR/HoFw02dEY4v5Z bDS4ATtVyXkPZed+lIEb0A+b48h5cn52LJoT0v34BgYRp6EAelL6kOK+80KvXdulrXwD HiffhcjJ+RL1TKLr2Be9cK66KqOzzToQqQH1bLHSiQd9iFfgdlKQOyQyNkJYJLaGlb0I u3d07ascvTko0R2vPmm+ni9n0UZGpWBLeY1nsQX9z90u6mVdfANAX1gredGWm1NimpC7 E18NsH61YhE0NqiUs+oMbA6CDadWZGq224zyXxMoEpTTaFRKm/n4fb0pQozj620rEeE/ Dp1Q== w90mr46207962qgw.18.1414869507087; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 12:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DavePC (drmons0544w-142166061235.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.ns.bellaliant.net. [142.166.61.235]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c63sm12689253qgf.14.2014.11.01.12.18.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 01 Nov 2014 12:18:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Munroe" To: , "'hallmotors'" , References: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 16:18:24 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, that's about right Ron, not 20-50 ft lb like some guys I know! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Dave Munroe'" ; "'hallmotors'" ; Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 3:16 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal Also, a good trick with Small block Ford valve cover gaskets is not to tighten up the cover bolts too much. Barely finger tight and a bit is enough. The steel covers distort easily and rise up almost out of contact between the bolts. The alloy ones crack very easily. It's amazing how well they seal with very little pressure. Good luck with this Brad, and happy knuckle whacking! Dave ----------------------------------- The torque value I have for the valve cover bolts is 3 - 5 ft lbs - retorque after the gasket has time to compress Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 1 13:28:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD2D2580A6D for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 13:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F1E25800B5 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 13:25:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.106]) by resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id AKUb1p0032JGN3p01KUbhV; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 19:28:35 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-601v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.50.125]) by resomta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id AKUb1p00C2i4P9N01KUbCC; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 19:28:35 +0000 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 19:28:34 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: hallmotors References: <000901cff5eb$05e92980$11bb7c80$@cox.net> (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: Valve Cover Removal Thread-Index: Ac/15PhdOpKvijylT7yHb8ZyEbxgOQABfnPQ0xnesog= s=q20140121; t=1414870115; bh=dF6blCje4kvAMDa+YAP94gRoJ7fj33HBvlwa1UzIyog=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Ejd0W3dyUcZlb/2cO+pUMdg8S5kkmv7Hs6lBfWPkOUUhoRumxUmuaLDwVQCn4eOuY 4aYmHuSZe1b0Zi6nwcJswLobn50ikuCzJx8TiQexsuU4AN6EF9lu7J7GnwK7jWSUbu YNcBSLE5N3BCaj068ja22KfZdZ3/k0H9FhhbxkGDA048db5hghps+eAJOG3B8kuE9j 4/88B6AWIEv5b0AgOMoITuL0icwA7Uq/An/6F/Vfy6e42JYKF8f+dVs5b4+yNX8u0k VqIiwHB2/wN8oP3NeKCEshn6btP7HY1ATQeK9lIeX5XUAeBIK95eF2PdjZyCO15y/K rCtnrhVAKAgzw== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net As I remember it, I made up a special tool string. I actually cut off a straight piece of an allen wrench (the separate 90 degree bend type) and used it in combination with 1/4 inch drive swivel socket. The straight piece of allen wrench key stock enabled me to turn the allen head screw/bolt with the swivel socket and a ratchet wrench without firewall interference. Really did not have enough clearance for a hex drive allen socket and universal joints between the back of the valve cover and the firewall on my car. Hopefully you do not have roller rockers, otherwise you will need to lower the engine to get enough clearance to the cover over the rocker arm fixing nuts. Good luck! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "hallmotors" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:46:37 AM Subject: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal I have an oil leak from the passenger bank valve cover onto the exhaust manifold (toward the back, say above about at the #3 or #4 cylinder location) and thus need to remove the valve cover to install a new gasket. My Tiger has the original 260 engine with LAT-8 Aluminum finned Tiger Powered by Ford valve covers attached with allen head bolts. I've looked at what I could find in the archives on removing the valve covers but am still looking for advice. I basically have three questions, 1) can this style valve cover be removed without dropping the engine, 2) I'm having problems getting an allen wrench on the top back valve cover bolt and it appears there's no firewall access hole for the passenger bank; any advice here, and 3) once the bolts are out, any advice on how to get the valve cover up, over and off. Thanks guys, Brad Hall Wichita, KS LRXFE609 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 1 14:43:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8315C258452A for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 14:43:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from out01.mta.xmission.com (out01.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34A5258081A for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 14:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx03.mta.xmission.com ([166.70.13.213]) by out01.mta.xmission.com with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XkfXD-000826-Vq; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 14:44:32 -0600 Received: from mta2.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.66]) by mx03.mta.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XkfXD-0000ha-TU; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 14:44:31 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta2.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F625741B6; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 14:44:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta2.zcs.xmission.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta2.zcs.xmission.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A3agDjU_KWkX; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 14:44:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.251.149.9] (23.sub-174-239-99.myvzw.com [174.239.99.23]) (Authenticated sender: cars@wt-inc.com) by mta2.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6A3575745FB; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 14:44:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Cars Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 14:44:28 -0600 References: <000901cff5eb$05e92980$11bb7c80$@cox.net> <1C942104022A41A0886FDCA69FA3189D@DavePC> To: Dave Munroe to false Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The best trick I learned is where to use Allen heads and where to use standard bolts. Long lesson, I'm still learning. However I do know that valve covers should not have allens in the back bolts Just some words of wisdom from a slow learner Lynn Sent from my mobile device > On Nov 1, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Dave Munroe wrote: > > Hi Brad : > > Condolences. > > I have the similar alloy valve covers that have Tiger on them. > > I had an exhaust manifold bolt spit out on the driver's side, (you are lucky your leak is on the pass. side!) and the gasket damaged on a trip, and couldn't get at it until I returned home to my garage and the myriad of special tools I have made up to get at the spark plugs on the driver's side. Everything on that side had to be removed to get at the ex. manifold, including the valve cover. > > I had to remove the valve cover to remove the ex. manifold gasket, as the cover hangs out over the edge of the cyl. head, and wouldn't allow the gasket to pass by. > > That rear allen head bolt was a bugger. I got it out with a 1/4" drive allen key with a couple of short extensions and two universal joints. Ron's tip to blow out the hole is a good one. I was fortunate that I had installed the covers with ARP allen bolts, as they have a deep socket hole, into which I stuck some aluminum foil to make the key a tight fit, so it wouldn't drop off the key when it cleared the hole. > > Getting the cover off was another problem, but with some patience and finely honed Chinese puzzle skills, it can be removed. Just keep at it and try not to scratch that cool cover too much! > > Also, a good trick with Small block Ford valve cover gaskets is not to tighten up the cover bolts too much. Barely finger tight and a bit is enough. The steel covers distort easily and rise up almost out of contact between the bolts. The alloy ones crack very easily. It's amazing how well they seal with very little pressure. > > Good luck with this Brad, and happy knuckle whacking! > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "hallmotors" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 12:46 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal > > >> I have an oil leak from the passenger bank valve cover onto the exhaust >> manifold (toward the back, say above about at the #3 or #4 cylinder >> location) and thus need to remove the valve cover to install a new gasket. >> My Tiger has the original 260 engine with LAT-8 Aluminum finned Tiger >> Powered by Ford valve covers attached with allen head bolts. I've looked at >> what I could find in the archives on removing the valve covers but am still >> looking for advice. I basically have three questions, 1) can this style >> valve cover be removed without dropping the engine, 2) I'm having problems >> getting an allen wrench on the top back valve cover bolt and it appears >> there's no firewall access hole for the passenger bank; any advice here, and >> 3) once the bolts are out, any advice on how to get the valve cover up, over >> and off. >> >> >> >> Thanks guys, >> >> Brad Hall >> >> Wichita, KS >> >> LRXFE609 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 1 14:44:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2A32584578 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 14:44:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from out02.mta.xmission.com (out02.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E53258081A for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 14:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx02.mta.xmission.com ([166.70.13.212]) by out02.mta.xmission.com with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XkfXo-0003d9-Kk; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 14:45:08 -0600 Received: from mta2.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.66]) by mx02.mta.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XkfXo-0005PQ-6d; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 14:45:08 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta2.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF6AF5741B6; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 14:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta2.zcs.xmission.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta2.zcs.xmission.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RiFbNagYZFos; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 14:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.251.149.9] (23.sub-174-239-99.myvzw.com [174.239.99.23]) (Authenticated sender: cars@wt-inc.com) by mta2.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4097B574A6D; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 14:45:07 -0600 (MDT) From: Cars Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 14:45:05 -0600 References: <000901cff5eb$05e92980$11bb7c80$@cox.net> <1C942104022A41A0886FDCA69FA3189D@DavePC> To: Dave Munroe to false Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Also. Roller rockers make it a little tougher to get the covers off Sent from my mobile device > On Nov 1, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Dave Munroe wrote: > > Hi Brad : > > Condolences. > > I have the similar alloy valve covers that have Tiger on them. > > I had an exhaust manifold bolt spit out on the driver's side, (you are lucky your leak is on the pass. side!) and the gasket damaged on a trip, and couldn't get at it until I returned home to my garage and the myriad of special tools I have made up to get at the spark plugs on the driver's side. Everything on that side had to be removed to get at the ex. manifold, including the valve cover. > > I had to remove the valve cover to remove the ex. manifold gasket, as the cover hangs out over the edge of the cyl. head, and wouldn't allow the gasket to pass by. > > That rear allen head bolt was a bugger. I got it out with a 1/4" drive allen key with a couple of short extensions and two universal joints. Ron's tip to blow out the hole is a good one. I was fortunate that I had installed the covers with ARP allen bolts, as they have a deep socket hole, into which I stuck some aluminum foil to make the key a tight fit, so it wouldn't drop off the key when it cleared the hole. > > Getting the cover off was another problem, but with some patience and finely honed Chinese puzzle skills, it can be removed. Just keep at it and try not to scratch that cool cover too much! > > Also, a good trick with Small block Ford valve cover gaskets is not to tighten up the cover bolts too much. Barely finger tight and a bit is enough. The steel covers distort easily and rise up almost out of contact between the bolts. The alloy ones crack very easily. It's amazing how well they seal with very little pressure. > > Good luck with this Brad, and happy knuckle whacking! > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "hallmotors" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 12:46 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal > > >> I have an oil leak from the passenger bank valve cover onto the exhaust >> manifold (toward the back, say above about at the #3 or #4 cylinder >> location) and thus need to remove the valve cover to install a new gasket. >> My Tiger has the original 260 engine with LAT-8 Aluminum finned Tiger >> Powered by Ford valve covers attached with allen head bolts. I've looked at >> what I could find in the archives on removing the valve covers but am still >> looking for advice. I basically have three questions, 1) can this style >> valve cover be removed without dropping the engine, 2) I'm having problems >> getting an allen wrench on the top back valve cover bolt and it appears >> there's no firewall access hole for the passenger bank; any advice here, and >> 3) once the bolts are out, any advice on how to get the valve cover up, over >> and off. >> >> >> >> Thanks guys, >> >> Brad Hall >> >> Wichita, KS >> >> LRXFE609 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 2 01:17:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583EA2584AE5 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 01:17:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B5025800A5 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 01:07:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from TerriPC ([108.47.93.189]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NEE006HNK22ZZ10@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 02:10:55 -0600 (CST) a=2dFncWzwywf98XjXNwTGnw==:117 a=5eDIciGPQ6AA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=RnN9ybI3AAAA:8 a=tkMYEFAmvTw06iDPWDEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 From: "Kirk Smith" To: References: <000901cff5eb$05e92980$11bb7c80$@cox.net> <1C942104022A41A0886FDCA69FA3189D@DavePC> <5FFA1D3B-FFBE-4F6C-89AF-312F668D2147@wt-inc.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 01:10:22 -0700 Thread-index: Ac/2FRe8lrVCIXrKTAGFzJgY0hiQQQAXwt3w Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Confession- I leave that bolt out and haven't had any leaks on my valve covers...Kirk -----Original Message----- From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cars Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 1:45 PM To: Dave Munroe Cc: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal Also. Roller rockers make it a little tougher to get the covers off Sent from my mobile device > On Nov 1, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Dave Munroe wrote: > > Hi Brad : > > Condolences. > > I have the similar alloy valve covers that have Tiger on them. > > I had an exhaust manifold bolt spit out on the driver's side, (you are > lucky your leak is on the pass. side!) and the gasket damaged on a trip, and couldn't get at it until I returned home to my garage and the myriad of special tools I have made up to get at the spark plugs on the driver's side. Everything on that side had to be removed to get at the ex. manifold, including the valve cover. > > I had to remove the valve cover to remove the ex. manifold gasket, as > the cover hangs out over the edge of the cyl. head, and wouldn't allow the gasket to pass by. > > That rear allen head bolt was a bugger. I got it out with a 1/4" drive > allen key with a couple of short extensions and two universal joints. Ron's tip to blow out the hole is a good one. I was fortunate that I had installed the covers with ARP allen bolts, as they have a deep socket hole, into which I stuck some aluminum foil to make the key a tight fit, so it wouldn't drop off the key when it cleared the hole. > > Getting the cover off was another problem, but with some patience and > finely honed Chinese puzzle skills, it can be removed. Just keep at it and try not to scratch that cool cover too much! > > Also, a good trick with Small block Ford valve cover gaskets is not to tighten up the cover bolts too much. Barely finger tight and a bit is enough. The steel covers distort easily and rise up almost out of contact between the bolts. The alloy ones crack very easily. It's amazing how well they seal with very little pressure. > > Good luck with this Brad, and happy knuckle whacking! > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "hallmotors" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 12:46 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal > > >> I have an oil leak from the passenger bank valve cover onto the >> exhaust manifold (toward the back, say above about at the #3 or #4 >> cylinder >> location) and thus need to remove the valve cover to install a new gasket. >> My Tiger has the original 260 engine with LAT-8 Aluminum finned Tiger >> Powered by Ford valve covers attached with allen head bolts. I've >> looked at >> what I could find in the archives on removing the valve covers but am still >> looking for advice. I basically have three questions, 1) can this >> style valve cover be removed without dropping the engine, 2) I'm >> having problems getting an allen wrench on the top back valve cover >> bolt and it appears there's no firewall access hole for the passenger >> bank; any advice here, and >> 3) once the bolts are out, any advice on how to get the valve cover >> up, over >> and off. >> >> >> >> Thanks guys, >> >> Brad Hall >> >> Wichita, KS >> >> LRXFE609 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 2 05:48:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E842584764 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 05:48:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7BBD2580682 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 05:43:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.100]) by resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id AcnF1p0042AWL2D01cnFiH; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 12:47:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([24.127.150.190]) by resomta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id AcnD1p00R46jPsw01cnFnG; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 12:47:15 +0000 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 07:47:13 -0500 From: ironbeast Cc: "" s=q20140121; t=1414932435; bh=Qc3RjDdGoc1s0Qj7Q7hvSh/cO+bOcDXriQvC+3Q3Txc=; h=Received:Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=GrqsYEFitjLc2OXDOESiEx/HGzineIdiooifo9SFa/iZC7xsXYf2iFhvVxV6StFpc dHoxkKgO7PA9BJtZksrge++Kp5eNDIvX/3b9Q+IbVB4AbtsB7yZNK/KCB6YwLHN0/k 0nRZdpxfBMB+Vre0DikX2xsEu+A7FF3+9ZEwjzmPQmUCQH3gJJ5l+Ysg1nIOr+gAO1 gNWxsg4noaRXPifwjVwlBLfsKNDNi6eQmVtY2WSIAATe7yAUPahlRtmMpfFYp/CRBy BvV/WMUALnlWUF/+wHWQfp0DDmSvJMbKk53fspfQ6yW/YGQrvoofmiOdW8UCk1qSOx fF6QwIf/lV5Dg== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net You can definitely get it off without lowering the engine if B you haveB The stock rockers. I can't remember the exact sequence but I think you need to tip the cover to the side of the car rather than trying to pull straight up. Once the back inside corner of the cover clears the valves it comes right out. If you haven't done this already I recommend the silicone cover gaskets with the metal core such as fel pro perma dry #vs13264t. Besides sealing better they stay put during installation. B B Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
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Date:11/01/2014 4:45 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Dave Munroe
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal
Also. Roller rockers make it a little tougher to get the covers off Sent from my mobile device > On Nov 1, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Dave Munroe wrote: > > Hi Brad : > > Condolences. > > I have the similar alloy valve covers that have Tiger on them. > > I had an exhaust manifold bolt spit out on the driver's side, (you are lucky your leak is on the pass. side!) and the gasket damaged on a trip, and couldn't get at it until I returned home to my garage and the myriad of special tools I have made up to get at the spark plugs on the driver's side. Everything on that side had to be removed to get at the ex. manifold, including the valve cover. > > I had to remove the valve cover to remove the ex. manifold gasket, as the cover hangs out over the edge of the cyl. head, and wouldn't allow the gasket to pass by. > > That rear allen head bolt was a bugger. I got it out with a 1/4" drive allen key with a couple of short extensions and two universal joints. Ron's tip to blow out the hole is a good one. I was fortunate that I had installed the covers with ARP allen bolts, as they have a deep socket hole, into which I stuck some aluminum foil to make the key a tight fit, so it wouldn't drop off the key when it cleared the hole. > > Getting the cover off was another problem, but with some patience and finely honed Chinese puzzle skills, it can be removed. Just keep at it and try not to scratch that cool cover too much! > > Also, a good trick with Small block Ford valve cover gaskets is not to tighten up the cover bolts too much. Barely finger tight and a bit is enough. The steel covers distort easily and rise up almost out of contact between the bolts. The alloy ones crack very easily. It's amazing how well they seal with very little pressure. > > Good luck with this Brad, and happy knuckle whacking! > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "hallmotors" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 12:46 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal > > >> I have an oil leak from the passenger bank valve cover onto the exhaust >> manifold (toward the back, say above about at the #3 or #4 cylinder >> location) and thus need to remove the valve cover to install a new gasket. >> My Tiger has the original 260 engine with LAT-8 Aluminum finned Tiger >> Powered by Ford valve covers attached with allen head bolts. I've looked at >> what I could find in the archives on removing the valve covers but am still >> looking for advice. I basically have three questions, 1) can this style >> valve cover be removed without dropping the engine, 2) I'm having problems >> getting an allen wrench on the top back valve cover bolt and it appears >> there's no firewall access hole for the passenger bank; any advice here, and >> 3) once the bolts are out, any advice on how to get the valve cover up, over >> and off. >> >> >> >> Thanks guys, >> >> Brad Hall >> >> Wichita, KS >> >> LRXFE609 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ironbeast@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 2 08:04:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7E02584BE1 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 08:04:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f172.google.com (mail-ig0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5844025845D6 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 07:55:56 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ig0-f172.google.com with SMTP id a13so3418808igq.11 for ; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 06:59:21 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=JCMdgbEbZA1wk8a6UJMxfjA6JCZAnrvoZC4nf+zvkG8=; b=fqp2+Br8+CxjxcJFRVaqEGaLc3GqJfbQu6IOi3lTMwGZvlw6pnCAU8ZaUUcx2jMMoF RgsolpM5wnGoI+5BRXj10Ao09CJnNZC1vKOoW8Zaec8cDtCqj0+c/OOYcuTzKiRAMMRd sZ64ifqK4kazFVwOLC/DpIroOc0Yroiw+dVMedqzPeGqNvZh0Ewli4F1CseH5vchS4H8 bCFWi9TpbSVoNYnpUCVQx4jdgbZ2MjVQ+dXZQeGT9tD69Jug+4rlz0rXQFKaZ07r6p7X 8nA0uOmKNJnnGD7bQczesNiapkRfnhbzgeMRHJev2nWBJoISJoABQ16Gh/+NuMR/WvRO E+jQ== y5mr7569880igl.33.1414940361355; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 06:59:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from Dell670 ([166.170.23.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fm2sm2400322igb.6.2014.11.02.06.59.20 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 02 Nov 2014 06:59:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Robert D. Hogan" To: "'Tiger's Den'" References: <60843DCA9E284E0D89EA3CA925E1D0CA@ronpc1> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 09:59:20 -0500 Thread-index: Ac+bzbJbNnvHn3ivS5qK/Ezi8/usngAAxokgFrbLuxA= Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power Shifts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In watching the You Tube video on Tom Patton's GT2 race at either Grattan or Gingerman raceway, the speed of his shifts look like a sequential shifter. Is there a quicker shifting alternative for road racing than using the conventional clutch upshift / downshift? -----Original Message----- From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 7:27 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Power Shifts Ok, I realize that there are differences of opinions, and they are not all correct - but the holders usually believe their opinion is right. My dad brought me up saying that power shifts were not good, a quick way to burn out a clutch, and not the fastest way to accelerate. He said it was better to match speeds, and not to put full power down before the clutch was engaged. By "power shift" I mean an upshift with the clutch in, where after you've pushed the lever into the next gear, you floor it, then drop the clutch. I've been to countless car races and I can't say I've ever heard a racer do that. I've never done it. So my sister was over this last weekend with her husband and son. The son was showing off his new Ford SUV that he swapped out the automatic and dropped in a manual. It was some cool work, and he should be proud. However, when he took my son for a drive, he did full power shifts - bragging about getting rubber even in 3rd gear. When they came back, he showed my son some You Tube videos of guys doing the same. My brother-in-law who has some amateur drag racing in his past, just chuckled and didn't suggest anything was wrong with it. What do people think about this? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 2 08:49:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C1B2584C23 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 08:49:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300D1258498B for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 08:40:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141102154340.ETSU4263.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 10:43:40 -0500 Received: from HMLLC ([68.102.50.93]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id Afjf1p00E20eouU01fjgfD; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 10:43:40 -0500 a=Vk2N/N7Q17+87UKd/TOu5Q==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=2LH4yeU-wgsv19aE5-MA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Vk2N/N7Q17+87UKd/TOu5Q==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=hallmotors@cox.net From: "hallmotors" To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 09:43:40 -0600 Thread-Index: AQIWqdv/oxmBBgtI0VMbUB2Blv8fIZvAEOXA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all for your advice. Yesterday I was surprised to find that the problem location has a hex head bolt (only location on either bank that's not an allen head). It looks like I can get a wrench on the hex head from the inboard side once the vacuum hose to the brake booster is removed. I'll also need to remove the generator but since the engine is the original I'm confident from your responses that the cover can be maneuvered off. I need to work on another project first, but Ron I'll provide you with the head casting date for the stock Tiger Engine Study once I get the cover off. Thanks Again! Brad Hall Wichita, KS LRXFE609 -----Original Message----- From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of hallmotors Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 10:47 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal I have an oil leak from the passenger bank valve cover onto the exhaust manifold (toward the back, say above about at the #3 or #4 cylinder location) and thus need to remove the valve cover to install a new gasket. My Tiger has the original 260 engine with LAT-8 Aluminum finned Tiger Powered by Ford valve covers attached with allen head bolts. I've looked at what I could find in the archives on removing the valve covers but am still looking for advice. I basically have three questions, 1) can this style valve cover be removed without dropping the engine, 2) I'm having problems getting an allen wrench on the top back valve cover bolt and it appears there's no firewall access hole for the passenger bank; any advice here, and 3) once the bolts are out, any advice on how to get the valve cover up, over and off. Thanks guys, Brad Hall Wichita, KS LRXFE609 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/hallmotors@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 2 10:20:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C552584D02 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 10:20:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-36.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8912584769 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 10:14:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sA2HGa4E014753; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 09:17:41 -0800 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d1a6a209) id dm0213.5450538b.4149c; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 09:17:39 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.145.164]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 17:17:32 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Robert D. Hogan'" , "'Tiger's Den'" Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 12:17:28 -0500 Thread-index: Ac+bzbJbNnvHn3ivS5qK/Ezi8/usngAAxokgFrbLuxAABKwfIA== engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-11-02_03:2014-10-31,2014-11-02,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1411020187 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power Shifts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Robert If you watch races from the UK and Australia you will see sequential gear box shifting. The shifter is pushed forward or pulled back to change gears. I believe some of those racing gear boxes do not require clutching just a blip of the throttle is enough to change gears. I once saw a magazine article that put a round plate on an American 4 speed with cams and slots to make it into a sequential type shifter. This seemed too complicated to be race worthy but who knows. Tom Patton probably has a short throw shifter set up. I don't believe sequential gear boxes are allowed in GT2 but I'm not up on the rules for that class. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert D. Hogan Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 9:59 AM To: 'Tiger's Den' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power Shifts In watching the You Tube video on Tom Patton's GT2 race at either Grattan or Gingerman raceway, the speed of his shifts look like a sequential shifter. Is there a quicker shifting alternative for road racing than using the conventional clutch upshift / downshift? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 2 10:35:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DB82584D5D for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 10:35:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f179.google.com (mail-ie0-f179.google.com [209.85.223.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6219F2584CB8 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 10:28:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id rl12so4124194iec.10 for ; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 09:31:43 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=q/GRDoZ9cAVjLJdWVVBfPiCcogm0lr7Ne+BjcQeYkqo=; b=jpswcCU7vWg1Ih4nLQmG2mwCESeJiE4/xkiUUD88rsGiJs+dfNJ+s+vuCzllErf6+6 C0j7bwzyzUge4665BBUwsGA8y9Gq4JYrDKCFx028lNCv05kDQ52rwh6dYzUcCY3holkm skVPtC7d0sTSzpvTQQ0FSrl0d56Ovc0uInxd4+6gubmZQz/4klzlXXqLPsQzfhYilv2G ycuQr888MsckF5wURVkUNBDPGAYbclMyuimI5MjeZzk7HBPkz70oIOlge/JZqZAGXvbe OlFbKLmnhQ2+0iM2bmLJIjASxWxtTp5aEz80iKHUY0nLHFmciCsXhRdnUiaCKf4xX/gs CAyA== w2mr11213581igl.21.1414949503152; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 09:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.107.137.224 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 09:31:43 -0800 (PST) References: <002801cff6ad$96281ca0$c27855e0$@com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 12:31:43 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power Shifts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net David Higgins once told me he never uses the clutch except for starting off. Even with a synchromesh box. This was several years ago and I since have started doing that a lot in some cars. If the engine is responsive and the gears close together and you are intimate with the car it's quite easy. Depending on the box, it's often possible to shift extremely quickly. Of course, dog boxes are designed for that and you just bang the gears. I'd be surprised if Tom Patton's car doesn't have a dog box. If you've only ever experienced synchromesh boxes, a dog box is quite a shock. Sounds and feels like the diff is going to fall out every time you shift. It's a wonderful mechanical feeling! On Sunday, November 2, 2014, Ron Fraser wrote: > Robert > If you watch races from the UK and Australia you will see > sequential > gear box shifting. The shifter is pushed forward or pulled back to change > gears. I believe some of those racing gear boxes do not require clutching > just a blip of the throttle is enough to change gears. > > I once saw a magazine article that put a round plate on an American > 4 speed with cams and slots to make it into a sequential type shifter. > This > seemed too complicated to be race worthy but who knows. > > Tom Patton probably has a short throw shifter set up. I don't believe > sequential gear boxes are allowed in GT2 but I'm not up on the rules for > that class. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ] On > Behalf Of Robert D. > Hogan > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 9:59 AM > To: 'Tiger's Den' > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power Shifts > > > In watching the You Tube video on Tom Patton's GT2 race at either Grattan > or > Gingerman raceway, the speed of his shifts look like a sequential shifter. > Is there a quicker shifting alternative for road racing than using the > conventional clutch upshift / downshift? > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 2 11:05:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720E62584A74 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 11:05:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD64258054A for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 11:01:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.107] ([216.222.142.106]) by p3plsmtpa12-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Ai4k1p00N2Hwcgw01i4kgs; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 11:04:45 -0700 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 13:04:03 -0500 From: Chris Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com, "rfraser@bluefrog.com" References: <002801cff6ad$96281ca0$c27855e0$@com> Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power Shifts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Exactly right. On my Formula Ford, with a Hewland non-synchro transmission, the only time I use the clutch is when starting out in 1st gear, upshifting and downshifting. Although I have to disagree about it sounding like the diff is going to fall out. With proper rev-matching, everything is smooth as silk. It becomes second nature after a while... On 11/2/2014 12:31 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > David Higgins once told me he never uses the clutch except for starting > off. Even with a synchromesh box. This was several years ago and I since > have started doing that a lot in some cars. If the engine is responsive and > the gears close together and you are intimate with the car it's quite easy. > Depending on the box, it's often possible to shift extremely quickly. > > Of course, dog boxes are designed for that and you just bang the gears. > I'd be surprised if Tom Patton's car doesn't have a dog box. If you've > only ever experienced synchromesh boxes, a dog box is quite a shock. > Sounds and feels like the diff is going to fall out every time you shift. > It's a wonderful mechanical feeling! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 2 12:36:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 420382584448 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 12:36:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173025pub.verizon.net (vms173025pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB2D25805FB for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 12:30:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from ownerHP ([74.103.64.151]) by vms173025.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NEF0078HFOQWM50@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 13:34:02 -0600 (CST) a=DeqixhC7dx9Xf/Nc3p+YtQ==:117 a=z_oZwz61-lMA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=Zr7miEi8wWIA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=tToCOaQXbRvebEcK8_oA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=4lcZt58GSykE-XwLHJUA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 14:34:09 -0500 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac/20qHoJRmm5+TIQpSxeRQC1SgkWg== Subject: [Tigers] valve cover r/r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A quick note: we all have our technics for proceedures, but this doesnt have tobe difficult. Assuming you have used allen head cap screws to secure the covers, Snap on has a short swivel allen socket < drive that with an extension is a piece of cake or a bottle of beer to reach those peskey rear screws, also suggest turning the engine so the back cylinders have the rockers in the neutral position..also avail is an allen ball socket that has flexibility built in and works well as long as the socket heads are not worn or buggered up, clyde _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 2 12:52:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F40525845D1 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 12:52:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C560825805FB for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 12:52:17 -0700 (MST) s=s1024; t=1414958142; bh=uCQgEZOMMXzLHumin0DOkCtytK5vG+SvEkhl/tVXgc8=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=p11FhaS32IX9UaTqVFaLqu1WDb2OuMhCYzIxKHpXHXh0zOE7cqIzEYPESzQDvyRsJrn9eWz+YLVDwNKeSwZSj7fkxETe9GyXi0yu+7OXuzCDEQb276bFz+2+gojhh7atfkfq7KdGUREKWPcWqnCAZsdWgIRIrB/Nu6BSzTnCdyM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; b=sfvKS0MExGyAn6hjP47c2rC/obECm1J1owyPCjIn35/Us9vDWIlV3sZ/yd0bTKF4HeVKmMiZ3gZUGHJxF87PmEGRJsvmOlwCz0EZXBD2VcgK0qq/jwP/lX71J+vGWOk7s8k632GzOfHqHzYfcORs/RMK8HPSGXdJOIh9+ztn+3w=; Received: from [216.39.60.180] by nm24.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2014 19:55:42 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.202] by tm16.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2014 19:55:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2014 19:55:42 -0000 FrKVsBt8K2o0Q6ek.iKxLPgQKGCLSV4Q92rFdTkahx5_9c9jtZOrP2C.AVKS opz3_jV7qXft5CUXkjCe7pwP.WQgxm4D2LQckt9jNEWbOMjjiugpiq2goH4g s84SrYz8fr89rnOelrRXbolNApI3.KHg1rS.tSvqEvwfXAJjMUdq1PUe3IIx PA3_xqF.BJxCRC28bwWjM_gxZmBVpUJP8IVTiiCEmn.jfRWattAa3vDqHzb4 vqn_dRcCsDvGzoAZbYKLdgJAr4Pcp.3ldnzdnO2XKztaRWJ9t33uhHtTGU25 cPFZDA_hSEJzmlGUa.QD2L0ZjhYljosPVMIPkMziXqCDA6qtL4MNDOkXBDeF 2.p1sBAf79FKyBeTbzSxBzIV15mbUkS_N7Fn91Iu6eKOLOdpNRxic58rWMmC ToEsWYFtwG_k4ZLQIH6iG.dO59OXlVRe.XQTSKsdXI_jZriPp.omzuPxTBc7 g7XxOnOB_lVR.NmehgeNqOTsOE0xhfCUGTwESCRsfIrxb3D5SPx6LMkc2UOs b3oItZLj5n3FQFpDIg6zeRZH1SNdUZzXqO7aIdHs- Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 11:55:39 -0800 From: Sandy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com, "rfraser@bluefrog.com" References: <002801cff6ad$96281ca0$c27855e0$@com> Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power Shifts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have a dog box in my Mustang (Tex/GForce T101A) and I can tell you that it is nothing short of amazing on the track. It does not mater what you do if you pull that handle it will shift (up or down). I had pulled out a Tremec TKO which was poor shifting at high RPM. When I first hit the track with it and shifted I thought I broke something. They CLUNK with/without the clutch and shift like lightning. Sorta' like an old outboard engine going into gear... In any case I'm sure 2 things that don't like the transmission, the thrust bearing and the rear end! And just like Owain said if feels like something is going to break, but the trade off is shifting a SBF past 7500 RPM only operator error is left for chance :) The gear whine is cool too if you have straight cut gears. Used to be plenty of T101A from NASCAR and they were a good buy as many were sold by Tex/GForce as rebuilt and you could pick any ratio and came with shifters. They I have a spare and thought about the potential in the tiger but they are too wide and big for the tiger, would be a hand full but would be very cool. Sandy On 11/2/2014 9:31 AM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > David Higgins once told me he never uses the clutch except for starting > off. Even with a synchromesh box. This was several years ago and I since > have started doing that a lot in some cars. If the engine is responsive and > the gears close together and you are intimate with the car it's quite easy. > Depending on the box, it's often possible to shift extremely quickly. > > Of course, dog boxes are designed for that and you just bang the gears. > I'd be surprised if Tom Patton's car doesn't have a dog box. If you've > only ever experienced synchromesh boxes, a dog box is quite a shock. > Sounds and feels like the diff is going to fall out every time you shift. > It's a wonderful mechanical feeling! > > On Sunday, November 2, 2014, Ron Fraser wrote: > >> Robert >> If you watch races from the UK and Australia you will see >> sequential >> gear box shifting. The shifter is pushed forward or pulled back to change >> gears. I believe some of those racing gear boxes do not require clutching >> just a blip of the throttle is enough to change gears. >> >> I once saw a magazine article that put a round plate on an American >> 4 speed with cams and slots to make it into a sequential type shifter. >> This >> seemed too complicated to be race worthy but who knows. >> >> Tom Patton probably has a short throw shifter set up. I don't believe >> sequential gear boxes are allowed in GT2 but I'm not up on the rules for >> that class. >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ] On >> Behalf Of Robert D. >> Hogan >> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 9:59 AM >> To: 'Tiger's Den' >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power Shifts >> >> >> In watching the You Tube video on Tom Patton's GT2 race at either Grattan >> or >> Gingerman raceway, the speed of his shifts look like a sequential shifter. >> Is there a quicker shifting alternative for road racing than using the >> conventional clutch upshift / downshift? >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 2 13:21:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7579025804CB for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 13:21:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f174.google.com (mail-ie0-f174.google.com [209.85.223.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CCB25800B5 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 13:13:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f174.google.com with SMTP id x19so4235671ier.19 for ; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 12:17:13 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=bhS58F1i0b+o/QqqJw+9ySQ3K+aKiivegh47idurEdU=; b=cykVQmeCtLZ9MQUsjSsYLCLMjfT4E0w9qQ4isyEIob3amw/Dy+WNUOwuyL72qU3lCS uqxfKKQ52DQAGobRoeDLBZQQB/dKrr0Zecq3Q0RIBiRNxhx867k4hmAkr6hShxCYxOQN GGcTWh1Q5irxHjH6P8l39l/fBl5zC9ejWglBFsxDOH+8c8qtMTOrwwlhjk1e2U6bS6fE gacyLqvZ+0ZQKnTXZxTRDGSfyen7IxYbJUHZ9OgiriAIfgzb3hTS71MPxxUAiomjtF1t EgLVsKR5gnB8uPbMX5QatoprW1mhW7pBAXxXCK9yyWRzFJifql+nKcs+GTjUe1Onge5I hJsQ== i3mr12068899igt.25.1414959432998; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 12:17:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.107.137.224 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 12:17:12 -0800 (PST) References: <002801cff6ad$96281ca0$c27855e0$@com> <54568C3B.8000009@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 15:17:12 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: Sandy Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power Shifts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net i suppose the level of the 'thunk' will depend on the ratios and the rear end. but with a 5+:1 rear end with tight LSD in a rally car, a few hundred Nm of torque and sticky tarmac tires, the drive shafts are subjected to considerable torque going into 2nd and 3rd. you'd have to be oblivious to not feel some mechanical sympathy! on a related subject, I remember there being some source of better half shafts for the tiger. I'm getting concerned for mine with the new motor and would like to preemptively upgrade them over the winter. any recommendations? On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Sandy wrote: > I have a dog box in my Mustang (Tex/GForce T101A) and I can tell you that > it is nothing short of amazing on the track. It does not mater what you do > if you pull that handle it will shift (up or down). I had pulled out a > Tremec TKO which was poor shifting at high RPM. When I first hit the track > with it and shifted I thought I broke something. They CLUNK with/without > the clutch and shift like lightning. Sorta' like an old outboard engine > going into gear... In any case I'm sure 2 things that don't like the > transmission, the thrust bearing and the rear end! > > And just like Owain said if feels like something is going to break, but > the trade off is shifting a SBF past 7500 RPM only operator error is left > for chance :) > > The gear whine is cool too if you have straight cut gears. Used to be > plenty of T101A from NASCAR and they were a good buy as many were sold by > Tex/GForce as rebuilt and you could pick any ratio and came with shifters. > They I have a spare and thought about the potential in the tiger but they > are too wide and big for the tiger, would be a hand full but would be very > cool. > > Sandy > > > > On 11/2/2014 9:31 AM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > >> David Higgins once told me he never uses the clutch except for starting >> off. Even with a synchromesh box. This was several years ago and I since >> have started doing that a lot in some cars. If the engine is responsive >> and >> the gears close together and you are intimate with the car it's quite >> easy. >> Depending on the box, it's often possible to shift extremely quickly. >> >> Of course, dog boxes are designed for that and you just bang the gears. >> I'd be surprised if Tom Patton's car doesn't have a dog box. If you've >> only ever experienced synchromesh boxes, a dog box is quite a shock. >> Sounds and feels like the diff is going to fall out every time you shift. >> It's a wonderful mechanical feeling! >> >> On Sunday, November 2, 2014, Ron Fraser wrote: >> >> Robert >>> If you watch races from the UK and Australia you will see >>> sequential >>> gear box shifting. The shifter is pushed forward or pulled back to >>> change >>> gears. I believe some of those racing gear boxes do not require >>> clutching >>> just a blip of the throttle is enough to change gears. >>> >>> I once saw a magazine article that put a round plate on an >>> American >>> 4 speed with cams and slots to make it into a sequential type shifter. >>> This >>> seemed too complicated to be race worthy but who knows. >>> >>> Tom Patton probably has a short throw shifter set up. I don't believe >>> sequential gear boxes are allowed in GT2 but I'm not up on the rules for >>> that class. >>> >>> Ron Fraser >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ] On >>> Behalf Of Robert D. >>> Hogan >>> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 9:59 AM >>> To: 'Tiger's Den' >>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power Shifts >>> >>> >>> In watching the You Tube video on Tom Patton's GT2 race at either Grattan >>> or >>> Gingerman raceway, the speed of his shifts look like a sequential >>> shifter. >>> Is there a quicker shifting alternative for road racing than using the >>> conventional clutch upshift / downshift? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers@autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell. >> net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 3 08:12:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023EC2584E5C for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 08:12:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm50-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm50-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.121.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5872584D0C for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 08:01:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm50.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2014 15:05:25 -0000 Received: from [98.138.100.114] by nm50.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2014 15:02:24 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.143] by tm105.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2014 15:02:22 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.222] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2014 15:02:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1031.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2014 15:02:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 82750 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2014 15:02:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1415026942; bh=ytwAQQ+nRalVEN9IgSr4PiHEX60yp8PmRUO/DS7Fpqk=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Hlxo0kExxeUftyWLDBwWiInUiOdtL7XpvQ/NeD6XeInIi3eynr9CcZ/p6kWs3jQeWBO02VVfLk+8cVKDIyoJHunj1+45pGU/EO2zkKFYHTQV2IUWQ32dLz7+Yue/muU0RPV6SIKdONOQlJ2QMf6unXqPBQXTTzQcCkLlgUjRbp0= sq3BRDcyb.BZYeJTtizQ.jpnq6ztS4FajPRFTcz2nWSiqghbF9PenULaEPBd GdmJnT_gpbuSm6YjWLuYO4SjpcaLyx0JGv44oN4pAOhkUnHL1yII74bLu23u _tmQGbgxROjYoMHA2Gk1gON3vemxlJIqzpX0zRqK0T.ubeR.vzREVk.bREoW AVOVD35.2b.w1YzVMU34Kb9hPZLEaoMBaQMXbLIyhlPE2PqaSi43obNU7K8c xBrZoj82GygtNydUsSm3CjNRc8S3qS.aI3U3HeEHdysFuB1wcPJOX8QxmiZG eQhsF0B9yuwdMTyzmhXFS2lF4A04K5nDVSHX7HtPH8w89uDfn6ulc2.CmtZ6 2HAu8cEGlId_KC6Qj0yTfJtT8Ew2uKGlDfEHWJh5UQjJ_Z1N21chdVfe3c.k 6uKsdDg2cSCHqrUFjWMcaJvqeC8yCbopY6kC6g2VOQDsWvWT1TRGhG24Wgsf nEod8wIbvcTB74VAiNxna0v7oyEFQVbSzolDC1yw2iRH5y4WvJf8fxIRgYpo kxjoj8ILAAAZ3Le0YG.0K6hlct3GtdtquHCrJHDrPq1tihFo- Received: from [173.48.171.211] by web162703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 07:02:21 PST MTk2NyBTdW5iZWFtIFRpZ2VyIE1hcmsgSUkgMjg5IGZvciBzYWxlIHwgSGVtbWluZ3MgTW90b3IgTmV3cyBNdWx0aXBsZSBUaWdlcnMgZm9yIHNhbGUsIHR3byBDb21tb2RvcmUgQmx1ZSBNYXJrIElJJ3MgLSB0aGlzIG9uZSB0aGUgcGljayBvZiB0aGUgbGl0dGVyLCBhbmQgYXNraW5nIGEgbG90IG9mIGNvaW4gZm9yIGl0Li4uCgogIAogICAgICAgICAgCjE5NjcgU3VuYmVhbSBUaWdlciBNYXJrIElJIDI4OSBmb3Igc2FsZSB8IEhlbW1pbmdzIE1vdG9yIE5ld3MKQ2xhc3NpYyAxOTY3IFN1bmJlYW0gVGlnZXIBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 07:02:21 -0800 From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Tigers for sale-Hemmings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net 1967 Sunbeam Tiger Mark II 289 for sale | Hemmings Motor News Multiple Tigers for sale, two Commodore Blue Mark II's - this one the pick of the litter, and asking a lot of coin for it... 1967 Sunbeam Tiger Mark II 289 for sale | Hemmings Motor News Classic 1967 Sunbeam Tiger Mark II 289 for sale $250,000. Pylesville, Maryland. 1967 Sunbeam Tiger Mark II 289, Concours and AACA winner, m View on www.hemmings.com Preview by Yahoo _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 3 11:14:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D5A2584C4F for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 11:14:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mx0a-00176a03.pphosted.com (mx0a-00176a03.pphosted.com [67.231.149.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3436A25809D6 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 11:02:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0048275.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0048275.ppops.net-00176a03. (8.14.7/8.14.7) with SMTP id sA3HqS1N007084 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 13:05:52 -0500 Received: from cinmlip12.e2k.ad.ge.com ([12.71.149.1]) by m0048275.ppops.net-00176a03. with ESMTP id 1qee61r0mb-3 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 13:05:52 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO ALPMBHT02.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.19.195]) by cinmlip12.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 03 Nov 2014 13:00:17 -0500 Received: from CINURCNA17.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.154) by ALPMBHT02.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.19.195) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 13:05:51 -0500 Received: from CINURCNA16.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.159]) by CINURCNA17.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.5.243]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 13:05:51 -0500 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: "'Tiger's Den'" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Power Shifts Thread-Index: Ac+bzbJbNnvHn3ivS5qK/Ezi8/usngAAxokgFrbLuxAANUH8gA== Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 18:05:50 +0000 References: <60843DCA9E284E0D89EA3CA925E1D0CA@ronpc1> <002801cff6ad$96281ca0$c27855e0$@com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.186] engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-11-03_02:2014-11-03,2014-11-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1411030157 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power Shifts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For those of you that wish to experience faster and better shifting without the expense of installing a "crashbox" non-syncro transmission might I suggest converting to the Hurst shifter kit. I have one in my high-revving 289 car and it is not only quicker-shifting it is more precise and definitely more fun to drive. The throws are short and the gate is tight so you will have form new muscle memories to be proficient. My stroker car has the normal Toploader/Ford shifter mechanism and it feels like driving a bus compared to the Hurst. You can buy the kit from: Dan Williams Toploaders (scroll down) http://toploadertransmissions.com/toploaderinfo.html There is also a shifter that looks just like a Tiger short shifter available. Here is one kit I found online: https://hurstshiftersonline.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=548&idca tegory=65#details _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 3 13:29:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBE0258466A for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 13:29:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB38B25803CC for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 13:21:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.171] by nm21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2014 20:24:58 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.248] by tm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2014 20:24:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1061.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2014 20:24:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 60538 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2014 20:24:58 -0000 s=s1024; t=1415046298; bh=vxt69+ntkdQEqeTuq5wHpFoHJsOJAnrFOAmwpm5UMjs=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kpGWeRA1BirTtsbi5ktte9j51BSoyUjBOTkqJ8N6CRJVU+XwwuddWVjOKu11mxv9fkrQqKpGquywpBbjCmPE8FJQId3wEbOSLJZO32Ig8DMzjM57SNWCZDDBYHK3E46F3QpVjbRZv8qaoemeIdlufE0Quzwpk15w+ph52M6VWWo= LjkWpF5kD5h4e7MXbSkViPHnf_vhQatA63amTATfqcFUJEAxrcToQ1_Ru6Um aCgeVh3ERnqePG2qepNOkvFZoOy4zF_A.miYwJjwzLxVHrtrjvIuN4I8HZ0q 449t09RSWpILX6o..lHjBKAnrUB0Svh77px2v9lkI7ueB7FTDUe1j0_8oX64 pzxRBFTTgW7TC.S8.1GmhonRkVNygKYVf9kzN6HjzLxj.hSd44o_wsK7q9Pc iFA86o66YC_CUsQfZGgHoaVzyiYBjANg_OJCh4AeSmTDq..U1t1A6YGJ0cJc VqBlkUTqRs53jbbP1CrH5kHottS8ENkJ8ayLOEEhZ.fHDxFbRc4eY0yj9am. sowpv0jVoU18omar9iajCtu0uh_GK2AkYsNs0xDD1ygO7eWenEEk2CZUWB6G Eo03XxBJUSB8VMtNs7OuQV1he7N_.PAU8iVY72KTSD80tBW0hVwYK2P37S.r 2ecZPYpW18nNSe898qrLuIZUXU6Etndb7E8vlqL0S2T2tW2rgU08so6UleJt 1R38zSpbQ3DQ.wldzFjl8tsDgYSWHdFoMfx5TrX_q52gA1RShDhWIKhn_KUW Vtw8TRRFwXh0QtdUyGWhaP21x71XOGCfFC2SRu5jqWQ-- Received: from [173.48.171.211] by web162701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 12:24:58 PST SSBqdXN0IGdvdCB0aGlzIGVtYWlsIGZyb20gQ2FyIFRhbGsgUGxhemEgYW5kIFJheSBNYWdsaW96emkoc3ApLCBvbmUgaGFsZiBvZiBDbGljayAmIENsYWNrLi4uCgoiIApJdCBpcyB3aXRoIGdyZWF0IHNhZG5lc3MgdGhhdCBJIHNoYXJlIHRoZSBuZXdzIHRoYXQgbXkgb2xkZXIgYnJvdGhlciBhbmQgY28taG9zdCwgVG9tLCBoYXMgcGFzc2VkIGF3YXkgCmF0IHRoZSBhZ2Ugb2YgNzcsIGZyb20gY29tcGxpY2F0aW9ucyBvZiBBbHpoZWltZXLigJlzIGRpc2Vhc2UuICBIaXMgCmRlY2xpbmUgd2FzIHZlcnkgcXUBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 12:24:58 -0800 From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] NPR's Car Talk and Tom Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I just got this email from Car Talk Plaza and Ray Magliozzi(sp), one half of Click & Clack... " It is with great sadness that I share the news that my older brother and co-host, Tom, has passed away at the age of 77, from complications of Alzheimerbs disease. His decline was very quick, and it caught us all by surprise. Even in my grief, I am thankful for a number of things. One is that Tom really lived the life he wanted to live. He spent his time inventing zany theories, talking to you guys every week on the radio show, and primarily, laughing his butt off. Now therebs a life. Ibm also grateful that Tom spent so much of his life with me in front of a microphone. So we will always have thousands of hours of the two of us taking calls from our listeners, and having as much fun as any two people should be allowed to have at something called bwork." I can think of no better tribute to him than allowing people to continue to listen to these programs. Finally, I am grateful that I have so many of you with whom to share my sadness this week. Many of you welcomed us both into your homes and cars, and enjoyed visiting with us as much as we enjoyed visiting with you, and making your car problems worse. If you have thoughts or remembrances you wish to share, I invite you to do so here. Or, if youbre otherwise inclined, in lieu of flowers or rotten fish, Ibm sure Tom would be honored if you decided to make a small contribution to your favorite public radio station or to the Alzheimer's Association in his memory. Webre using our website, www.cartalk.com, as our communal gathering place this week, so please join us there if you like. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 3 14:00:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E032584C40 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 14:00:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45C825804C2 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 14:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2014 21:03:28 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.200] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2014 21:03:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2014 21:03:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 38551 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2014 21:03:28 -0000 s=s1024; t=1415048608; bh=9uvFb39zd4A0gR8Z1Kl5hreTCPdY5xapjYjhkprJYnA=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0Bv0Hm+lQU8TPPmk/ACTc/Hq70TEDv5TV8DVJ9u/93gG6sKkbfTtwXA5rnhiW6Gx+SMwFvpjrfvz6IVi4u6gR1nSrVmHN9dPIX2Ux37DfDblEZ8URZZOb67rtiyFlWVupLiHdpeiJummZOH7/c+cUMk1GlG4UsGr7nyXZjxZ6c8= nw_k7Y.Ey9ybVMiNyoM7r2F08by_7QrziAJhqC7521vZTm_NVNQcZYIkBl0T w0vCodLdaFpSt4UHymSU6LIlFKc8E.jxGU.Z.1kc8neSJoEyFM89pR4sEKKA xdblEFx2KsM6LEZzQOfK9LJks6JwEqFMkCltV3PX.hY.9mtW15DBnv48L8nl OmnfZa1gi4DHtg2r0uXuTFXNKkYnqc6qGT7gn15gVNqsaSa5HUFGMNzWu02N zhxiXHUkwAUj3xwcBwOk48cE_N9XEXVBp2VVYdNdikLn5x503j8ciWc5QZM2 nfZvhjKscfNEd9eyADIy4nhn7gPPCduEWJIzU61MTk7sJfSBpkVR_eQoUXpe G5YQhgwlV_8XsHfWmzjn5xwEyICqZnhtwnNIwlzQ69gyGlIM3ApvfkAKPofk 4jm4x0F7V.QtWKAUgIlINBhuRCUtL4PpcBhgNFWEK6ixwP40bmIsmKc1.QXE 97cOELIbr0daVYqgstA92Aq42EGI.Wz0W35C.2vvuGZzfhoGH80v9so482W2 03KamSWEnV6Y0Gh_kiHv5xnfiunPqA8zr2_FWRldnQsimFgSW4bqAIXmwOb8 zZEE.NZwjZBEURIusoEpqI2aYv9423zJmeeXEzwvdIs7vLKAk_CAOEnWQ.7w V0TY1J7LFV6xLknLkNicKB.76ciMgrV0EZV7S3XpwOFsV7rewR9OxI8_B.uj W1LK4QDKuW0L8185hkEEAhD2N8Fc9bb9fzgSLcokx5X.Kj1h1ne8X9xb_NCv Kh9KClFXdTzTMvcwx8srR Received: from [173.48.171.211] by web162706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 13:03:28 PST VGhpcyB2aW50YWdlIENhcnJvbGwgU2hlbGJ5IGZpbG0gaXMgZXZlcnl0aGluZyBiYWRhc3MgYWJvdXQgdGhlIDE5NjBzCgogIAogICAgICAgICAgICAgClRoaXMgdmludGFnZSBDYXJyb2xsIFNoZWxieSBmaWxtIGlzIGV2ZXJ5dGhpbmcgYmFkYXNzIGFiLi4uCkNhcnJvbGwgU2hlbGJ5LiBEYW4gR3VybmV5LiBUaGUgb3JpZ2luYWwgR1QzNTAuIEtlbiBNaWxlcy4gVGhlIEdUNDAuIFBldGUgQnJvY2suIFdpbGxvdyBTcHJpbmdzLiBCYXNpY2FsbHksIHRoaXMgb2xkIHByb21vIGZpbG0gaGFzIGV2ZXJ5dGhpbmcBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 13:03:28 -0800 From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Ford/Shelby film from Road&Track Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This vintage Carroll Shelby film is everything badass about the 1960s This vintage Carroll Shelby film is everything badass ab... 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View on www.roadandtrack.com Preview by Yahoo _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 3 17:31:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0248E2584CD6 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 17:31:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f177.google.com (mail-ie0-f177.google.com [209.85.223.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A5F2580706 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 17:17:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id tp5so6463693ieb.22 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 16:20:56 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=piQZo7mMhYQkbA4FADgShaApK/sbGzxXppAtG1ik14o=; b=po4omD9Ddgrs6hFYmgHmC/67YHe+X7gmOYKR6x6Z6miK/4mqxe7UV/mYjelbnWlz60 tRz6/OS3FrTW5DKyez3PK8NxSdB4Kk634IrZtPm7jc3HQfUhSBQ6RB6eGmemhUgTs0KO zZMxSgpI8iREtHEl6cyghMAuIiqSDh4GixSntgdyIQ0DwmStfH9j8gGteqnbBWuO8WfZ NI3njndi+w/P7gMBk9AkBU9hTRmfzdGVQlNIIJGUV8jFhp9Oe7nuuk/qvq1zg+FRRE7F FHzQg2bP1U0xjLxYJlP17MoCl5KdpblXdHUu3mkYuvsnVmzIEouZWrGfO2eDGZzh+v6q RCTw== o135mr11223894ioo.26.1415060456522; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 16:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.107.137.224 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 16:20:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 19:20:56 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] experience from big HP owners Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, I'm looking for information from anyone with a high powered ROAD tiger. I'm thinking of HP numbers over 450 at the crank here. Please drop me a quick line with: 1) any problems you have had (breakages, fast wear rates, driveability) 2) anything you have done to help make things better 3) anything you would _like_ to do to improve performance, reliability or driveability. 4) HP and torque of your engine (at either wheels or crank) 5) an indication of opt-in or out of my making this information public or keeping it strictly to myself. this is partially for my own benefit - but also for compilation into something I'm planning to put together next year. much obliged, Owain. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 4 08:19:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE432584F0F for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 08:19:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com (mail-lb0-f177.google.com [209.85.217.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DEFE25845C5 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 08:06:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f177.google.com with SMTP id z12so2873865lbi.36 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 07:10:24 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WKb0MoLFtywmukq+pQ398MmgF7rZuXD6CCtCgXJc0L0=; b=I2TzLL5NmFEEZMdm2RDUzJGcdgXgssVDKhsRZcUMWa3JB5Pihczbi+FLuMrktqH21G XjngwvTzEjPdtJm6yDXULMbA9OwndWxlK9di4mWoLcnt1PbggrPrDqtoromXmnaj/Eru qUbDZfhN8VKZToJhJGh/sUO0iO1kwPGHzhjtq6+NlU9iMNQKpr6Pt865X2qmAvs0U2Oj fZEFWO9SEBcu6z3+SaXpXIKymY9V/5gq+e+qiK45VP8wWyfYyzxns2f09Joi251b87tD shBFgM89moVJqaYLv9jHPGH74ZQudo8D9TxTTUPaSiZJ29suubS3zl8XEhFKUJqKrkFb ugIQ== az11mr58921830lab.37.1415113823959; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 07:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.38.77 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 07:10:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:10:23 -0500 From: Harry Elam To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop side windows Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Looking for instructions/guidance on replacing my hardtop side windows. So far Internet and Tech Tips searches have resulted in no yield. Anybody know where I can find some guidance or help? Harry Elam B382000471 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 4 09:34:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D46A2584FD3 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:34:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0F32584668 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:21:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id hy4so6934185vcb.0 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 08:25:13 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=VZRXbMschQEyN9SLcLa1dgoJXT9AMcldDQhn3E7KXx4=; b=gImnmD2PSwVRGOcDg2JMeKcz9o24e6nXUhgdj8san3uCIT9sTNtFdNrte0+8adOu3h M7nUg2aFuII4kYo3LRLSm+yy2FPaVyb4wZTz8sqBuK+T6wCUwrf0ShF0IpULvv64+pd0 2T5l2wzCRfBK9+ZDt1aU8EGRVCCoR0SUg/e7fVIlyFKT23zWfSp9rjKbCqCTiIIGVKZD FmCd9HgSnlKsOPieXpgueKYM2Au11uXFEjK2yFic8E/8EReUl7pmRmfe+HE0VhK216/B 3sL45TGxQ3SbrcG1Bf/H5WJ1Z7BmVG8qYegv9HAQil1ApjgwWivHzp2H03dLanRTlago AZLA== wd5mr975729vdc.9.1415118313419; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 08:25:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.166.81 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 08:25:13 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 08:25:13 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: Harry Elam Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtop side windows Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net What part are you looking for? How to remove the frame and glass from the top? Or how to remove the glass from the frame? Or how to install the dang rubber seal that I've never figured out! On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Harry Elam wrote: > Looking for instructions/guidance on replacing my hardtop side windows. So > far Internet and Tech Tips searches have resulted in no yield. Anybody know > where I can find some guidance or help? > > Harry Elam > B382000471 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 4 10:04:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF0BF2584896 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:04:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f52.google.com (mail-qa0-f52.google.com [209.85.216.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A17C25846AE for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:57:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id u7so10053004qaz.39 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 09:00:36 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=QUG6QQSSTkUGTqWHdvmG+atj6QHB/HJ72bYGKSaatEI=; b=kOZG8xOWE6e9pw6XoLwN3rZPY3BHMUkC31Ud8C82rIZXSF5Tn43tP2wMghixwycqc3 lQ27+BGTz8Z0gYY1Kv8vGKhKhlsP3U8s4T9mDPh1PJTgggceuSVJeKtTCF7zYJNZKJZ6 L5/CQZzCJHNqTP11K6l60Jxg5zQEcvP6HGhM2uSzyIh0oLEhwpdPclxGKo8MAOT1IQtb THe7XhoCV7Ui8LNMxVqsQ8pghJm3450jYOR5Y+45TZ0ZIzaeDtqaSHusDiM+kM4prpqX OME6rNKQc90fNJ1TBjgDSP/7hOuFDv9CbZ+isVyTade3qJQqHLdpKyadRpv7Ehl4mcRC JNAw== y81mr73047276qgd.52.1415120436325; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 09:00:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (75-131-168-95.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com. [75.131.168.95]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g14sm795641qar.46.2014.11.04.09.00.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Nov 2014 09:00:34 -0800 (PST) References: From: H B Elam Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 12:00:33 -0500 To: Jay Laifman Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtop side windows Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, Thanks for responding. My answer is basically everything. I picked up the windows, etc. from Rick's last July. We have a week or two left before hardtop season in NC so I am looking for as much of the process that I can find before beginning the work and then begin to learn. From the workshop manual Section "O" page 9 & from the parts manual Section YX plate "E" show exploded views without words. Removing the frames from the top seems straightforward but the rest is not yet obvious. Any lessons learned, guidance, advice or steers to any of these will, hopefully, sent me off in the correct direction. Thanks, Harry Elam > On Nov 4, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Jay Laifman wrote: > > What part are you looking for? How to remove the frame and glass from the top? Or how to remove the glass from the frame? Or how to install the dang rubber seal that I've never figured out! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 4 12:35:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F4725848B3 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 12:35:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f174.google.com (mail-vc0-f174.google.com [209.85.220.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C4425845A9 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 12:30:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id im17so4699423vcb.33 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 11:34:15 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=rNa/dDUCF1WNZpRHW0RvJtY5cQgXE6l+9TPpEdP2rjw=; b=t3l3T7voeW2jiRaps9Tba3wgfejfHy4yguCA9WHmQnLN6PhZeeOcyS1PYUzQHOKAgb y/u/8zs+mm6l7/HqInacvqePU/5/VgRxlLvCQ68qeOe0fORF2QO+ODMoe6TMTiZrY1vP pj2cYLF03Fm4KB/cpU6p9D1G+G4CyTo8Bs9WZ25DzRjIrWPKjgqH3Ftzch6vw0AEtZ/H G2nQihK+U6oh3dIt8N265OsClEjohcAJWnJp2FC5E0fBNqnw7TaCPRhx3qO/31RFZmsk DS4lXrV9VwGvMco04CxK94chV/VNhIyRCJ+AB2mYtNrLXnl/O5H/NLLtWgAmMcYofpi3 iASw== ft9mr1938308vdb.31.1415129654229; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 11:34:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.166.81 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 11:34:14 -0800 (PST) References: <9DFAEB55-5D88-444A-9989-9D2E8DF02888@elams.org> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 11:34:14 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: H B Elam Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtop side windows Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well, here is my two cents - from doing this a long time ago. You have to drill out some of the rivets to get off one side of the triangle. There is an L bracket inside each corner. So you want to drill out two opposing sides, that is two legs, not all of them on one side. That is because if you don't, the L brackets will still be in there and block the glass from coming out. You then need to get the replacement glass or plexiglass. The glass is not "original" and is certainly heavier. But it won't fog or crack like the original, especially around the latch hole. I got the glass. You also need the thin rubber seal that lines the inside of the metal to hold the glass. I got both glass and rubber from Sunbeam Specialties. Then put it back together with warm soapy water, and pop rivet the parts back together. I recall that it wasn't difficult, but some time was needed at the hardware store to get the right size pop rivet. Sunbeam Specialties frequently has instructions on how to do things. If they have instructions for this, I'd follow them over anything I've said! Also, I am trying to remember how I fit the rubber inside the channels at the corners. But I can't remember. I can look over the weekend and see if it is clear. I welcome anyone to add more, and even to disagree if I've remembered incorrectly! Jay On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 9:00 AM, H B Elam wrote: > Jay, > Thanks for responding. My answer is basically everything. I picked up > the windows, etc. from Rick's last July. We have a week or two left before > hardtop season in NC so I am looking for as much of the process that I can > find before beginning the work and then begin to learn. From the workshop > manual Section "O" page 9 & from the parts manual Section YX plate "E" show > exploded views without words. Removing the frames from the top seems > straightforward but the rest is not yet obvious. > Any lessons learned, guidance, advice or steers to any of these will, > hopefully, sent me off in the correct direction. > > Thanks, Harry Elam > > > > > On Nov 4, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Jay Laifman wrote: > > > > What part are you looking for? How to remove the frame and glass from > the top? Or how to remove the glass from the frame? Or how to install the > dang rubber seal that I've never figured out! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 4 14:50:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2D325847EC for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 14:50:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-35.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5698D2584690 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 14:38:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sA4LjIOY028110; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 13:45:32 -0800 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018914a) id dm0219.5450537c.56a1b; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 13:41:44 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jay Laifman'" , "'H B Elam'" Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 16:41:38 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac/4ZvZSAfL/yVlHTRumENFg88tTAAAECmYg engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-11-04_08:2014-11-04,2014-11-04,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1411040196 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtop side windows Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I think I remember someone say they used electrical tape for the channel and then trimmed the tape after install. If Sunbeam Specialties has the correct channel material - use it. I decided not to replace the plexi on my hardtop since they only had some crazing and still clear. The job looked a bit intense at the time and I had other major hurtles that needed attention. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 2:34 PM To: H B Elam Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtop side windows Well, here is my two cents - from doing this a long time ago. You have to drill out some of the rivets to get off one side of the triangle. There is an L bracket inside each corner. So you want to drill out two opposing sides, that is two legs, not all of them on one side. That is because if you don't, the L brackets will still be in there and block the glass from coming out. You then need to get the replacement glass or plexiglass. The glass is not "original" and is certainly heavier. But it won't fog or crack like the original, especially around the latch hole. I got the glass. You also need the thin rubber seal that lines the inside of the metal to hold the glass. I got both glass and rubber from Sunbeam Specialties. Then put it back together with warm soapy water, and pop rivet the parts back together. I recall that it wasn't difficult, but some time was needed at the hardware store to get the right size pop rivet. Sunbeam Specialties frequently has instructions on how to do things. If they have instructions for this, I'd follow them over anything I've said! Also, I am trying to remember how I fit the rubber inside the channels at the corners. But I can't remember. I can look over the weekend and see if it is clear. I welcome anyone to add more, and even to disagree if I've remembered incorrectly! Jay _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 4 16:38:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182CF25846D2 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 16:38:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675932584637 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 16:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-13v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.109]) by resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id BbZu1p0022N9P4d01baU1h; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 23:34:28 +0000 Received: from [172.20.1.77] ([24.234.46.156]) by resomta-ch2-13v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id BbaK1p00N3NB6kg01baMLM; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 23:34:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 15:35:28 -0800 From: Tom Hall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <99BDBFD2752542CA8894CE3F1893F43D@ronpc1> s=q20140121; t=1415144068; bh=p96tpdVVyQXgnsyXo/hH9+GOYknVrM/hnajLkDg6Fhk=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=SJtYWD8aEtgLUpeNP9kFFWniE6tXSCPfBmJ6YtjZza7Zai+cPn+fwy3YH0y48PuI8 KffAsUmmPHCODBjZTIBfG8NheTXmnj8vydnBnd4SpI4X3DHrV/0a1g3bJcmNF4C4Mj zNzok11HRJhqplOzltrB1X+Yq1fkmvMLhuSbGebk0dkTACipfrnmtwNx1GL7jI+6ZN kZ31uhxmQbNpOSIer4B2Ip8Uz8UK96vTiOvnrwdKruWkd7/JYQ/Eq+0Hu+uQgu20hN CLb5B5vaB3DkaNtT9d5Ul2dcdDrS1x6EwX2QK6nwA8DXKXpPyI+aaA4BD4Oa/ATghj E8fDJhnprIQIA== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtop side windows Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/4/2014 1:41 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > I think I remember someone say they used electrical tape for the > channel and then trimmed the tape after install. > If Sunbeam Specialties has the correct channel material - use it. > 30+ years ago, when I made the first glass replacement quarter windows, the tempered glass was condiderably thicker than the Acrylic OEM version. I haven't measured Rick's glass replacements, but I installed his Acrylic windows earlier this year, using the soft rubber he sells. In addition to the thin electrical tape for glass, you might also use vinyl pipe wrap which is thicker, to help fill the channel gap. Any of these fillers will require a careful hand with an Exacto knife to trim them back to the perimeter channel. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 5 03:53:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E312584A15 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 03:53:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2AD2584870 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 03:49:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id m8so330123obr.38 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 02:52:35 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=6dZ0lzXbUMesx/CX0gNYQENNJCBM1z+dhpUajWVsqh8=; b=DPYRauodVBBgaMvyZQGVKMQ3kTd6JXyU/dKmiqdpp2JQ5m4UINf68KqCUZAxjnLQVY t4bmp7BwNlZoy8CVe3t2sblj8x2tAgxwYV05xhNPqm6XODUWRFaWpiMCSYxAg5ZxD+P2 lHWntd7ZGYM0LFWCgf+MUKZGdlfZ0Q3Vd3PrsaXkAqO0fYUgOH7NEn7Sh89Kk2QbpnbJ i4UxZt3XCDMnFWJivRwk/8E7mVw6p8qZAFa9lzDeE4eVRiatYdiQ15Qo+vVwi7oeKVhN Av0ZSdfS/V3gcTUJ3wehJKmT9AxKy/yThxIQSW0OiYFVZ1k4+3doWBpG82tUkmHm/bzA z2/Q== t4mr48047129oem.33.1415184755005; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 02:52:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.136] ([8.28.240.121]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x3sm1338252oeq.13.2014.11.05.02.52.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Nov 2014 02:52:34 -0800 (PST) References: From: Cullen1972 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 04:52:33 -0600 To: "" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overhaulin Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Great job Dan representing the needed Tiger expertise on the show! Actually you got some real camera time as you should have, and I saw you moving around in the background in several scenes in your white T-shirt. ;-) It was really very enjoyable to watch. As is usually the case with Chips projects, he pursued some styling cues that I'm not sure I would have, but he does have a real good on eye for attention to detail and his show is very entertaining. The car genuinely turned out beautiful. I am not the worst freehand artist in the world, been known to be better than the next guy, but I would give anything to be able to render cars like he does. What an incredible talent! The most important thing here, as with any car, is that the owner was happy and from the show it certainly looked like he was. I think it's also great to see our favorite car in the spotlight some more on TV. Great publicity! Great Job Dan! Cullen Yukon, OK wrote: > > Double check your DVR time. > > It's listed as Nov 4, 9 PM EASTERN (6 PM pacific) > > ...of course, they will replay it about a billion times....eventually. > > DW > > ____________________________________________________________ > Map Your Flood Risk > Find Floodplan Maps, Facts, FAQs, Your Flood Risk Profile and More! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5453ad4e7db752d4e4fb9st04vuc > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 5 08:00:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66332585544 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 08:00:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955FD2580871 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 07:34:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141105143805.DNAI18577.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 09:38:05 -0500 Received: from eastrmwml214 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id Bqe51p00E4h0NJL01qe5gZ; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:38:05 -0500 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:17 a=UyHOC7Gu_PIA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=NoAKp6exAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=qXHlnAodlo_JodfH4egA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=wz0z58TtWn4js1T/E/HjJQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 204.61.12.74 by webmail.east.cox.net; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 9:38:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 9:38:05 -0500 From: To: Cullen1972 , "" Sensitivity: Normal Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overhaulin Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I will agree with you, Cullen, that it was great publicity for the Tiger community and the marque as a whole. Kudos to Dan Walters, too, for his expert input. Andy Walker Edmond, OK ---- Cullen1972 wrote: > Great job Dan representing the needed Tiger expertise on the show! Actually > you got some real camera time as you should have, and I saw you moving around > in the background in several scenes in your white T-shirt. ;-) > > It was really very enjoyable to watch. As is usually the case with Chips > projects, he pursued some styling cues that I'm not sure I would have, but he > does have a real good on eye for attention to detail and his show is very > entertaining. The car genuinely turned out beautiful. I am not the worst > freehand artist in the world, been known to be better than the next guy, but I > would give anything to be able to render cars like he does. What an incredible > talent! > > The most important thing here, as with any car, is that the owner was happy > and from the show it certainly looked like he was. I think it's also great to > see our favorite car in the spotlight some more on TV. Great publicity! > > Great Job Dan! > > Cullen > Yukon, OK > > > wrote: > > > > Double check your DVR time. > > > > It's listed as Nov 4, 9 PM EASTERN (6 PM pacific) > > > > ...of course, they will replay it about a billion times....eventually. > > > > DW > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Map Your Flood Risk > > Find Floodplan Maps, Facts, FAQs, Your Flood Risk Profile and More! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5453ad4e7db752d4e4fb9st04vuc > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 5 08:00:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC9F25856FF for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 08:00:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 094C02584A37 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 07:44:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.171] by nm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2014 14:48:27 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.200] by tm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2014 14:48:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2014 14:48:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 42325 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2014 14:48:27 -0000 s=s1024; t=1415198907; bh=Kd/wx8mWu5xgNudifAOrF+6n3WvF4oThMKEDsdOlMCs=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=J2c4WDREPZvP6qbEcqqHuMA+mqGcxgG91Fre7a1YhzXQPEYX3fijr9x0MGhawjjcqDUiC+oXgp3yO+qXCQ1rGxEa19RXgWx3/Xo2AF7nanw4VkvFLvrBdVN943kQYoBknompkDQ1CM3PtzXBUpc6y9Wt7vNBCTp5Aco3u79C530= Nc2V9EC5gABErmgoSWQOOF53Eg0Du79uH0QHBJLKtoY5RIiwUvR8G5qeQLti ssNZR5Ud05clvvqxAApV5BtdvPNdBUnaEoxDvjTTp4Jvd_kGj_MD3owNPIFl 0dWge8t3YKU1iOy_nLPFNupFiq0cLAbNPUZFpyt1JylIfX4uOmz4fZkXlQaL Bf7.TAvRInYNp4vwn2Ho3rUdwUXkQJAkOHoutF182JbqXghzDMn5b0ti_NKo gcPS4ULke4Npp7b.FzO6jxOOuhOOHH9YimrX1Ge9vFUYBl.l4J.BoKYtoGQr QyoKs3f2opfKyFwjnTZ0TAWSxGKwBU_poGVsdQcZUDJ9ETvXluhGlQsS5iCg jvUzUT5MF1CqprnT7xy8ytBirenJ9MVYLRQLJLyGoCDRKmLm9KUY7ehmggKb omhYR4V5IIXAp5M.kJeFmGVEaLQjZ7KPpBcRaQMmLtVY8UHL6dOL2aRRHXO6 dwG3J.pzwDT3TmOJZS4yjIRw4KZI- Received: from [173.48.171.211] by web162704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 06:48:26 PST SSwgdG9vLCBmZWx0IGFzIHNvb24gYXMgSSBzYXcgRGFuIFdhbHRlcnMgb24gY2FtZXJhIHRoYXQgdGhlIGNhciB3YXMgaW4gc2FmZSBoYW5kcyBpZiB0aGVyZSB3ZXJlIGFueSBkb3VidCBhYm91dCBob3cgdG8gcHJvY2VlZC4gT2YgY291cnNlLCB3ZSBhbGwga25vdyB0aGF0IHRoZSBjYXJzJyBvd25lciBtaWdodCBtYWtlIGNoYW5nZXMgdG8gb3JpZ2luYWxpdHkgdGhhdCBhIGZldyBvZiB1cyB3b3VsZG4ndCwgYnV0IHRoYXQgaXMgdGhlIG5hdHVyZSBvZiB0aGlzIHNob3cuIFdvbmRlcmZ1bCB0aGF0IERhbiABMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 06:48:26 -0800 From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Tigers/Overhaul'n/ Dan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I, too, felt as soon as I saw Dan Walters on camera that the car was in safe hands if there were any doubt about how to proceed. Of course, we all know that the cars' owner might make changes to originality that a few of us wouldn't, but that is the nature of this show. Wonderful that Dan was willing to contribute, and as I posted elsewhere, I've watched this show only once before, but I gained a lot of respect for Chip Foose and the A-Team for the talented metal work that this car needed and received after past repairs were almost criminal in their lack of quality. All in all, the Tiger (a 1965 Mark I) came out the way the owner hoped, and that's all you can ask. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 5 08:44:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB462585731 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 08:44:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from BAY004-OMC3S23.hotmail.com (bay004-omc3s23.hotmail.com [65.54.190.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9C92580468 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 08:24:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY172-W8 ([65.54.190.189]) by BAY004-OMC3S23.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Wed, 5 Nov 2014 07:27:35 -0800 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Tigers Den Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 10:27:35 -0500 References: , <20141105093805.C4D1E.697192.imail@eastrmwml214> FILETIME=[06ADD3A0:01CFF90D] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overhaulin Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I thought it came out spectacular, especially considering the condition of the Tiger before they started! Every panel was beaten with an ugly stick. Paul > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 09:38:05 -0500 > From: awtiger@cox.net > To: cmccann1972@gmail.com; spmdr@juno.com > CC: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overhaulin Tiger > > I will agree with you, Cullen, that it was great publicity for the Tiger community and the marque as a whole. Kudos to Dan Walters, too, for his expert input. > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > > ---- Cullen1972 wrote: > > Great job Dan representing the needed Tiger expertise on the show! Actually > > you got some real camera time as you should have, and I saw you moving around > > in the background in several scenes in your white T-shirt. ;-) > > > > It was really very enjoyable to watch. As is usually the case with Chips > > projects, he pursued some styling cues that I'm not sure I would have, but he > > does have a real good on eye for attention to detail and his show is very > > entertaining. The car genuinely turned out beautiful. I am not the worst > > freehand artist in the world, been known to be better than the next guy, but I > > would give anything to be able to render cars like he does. What an incredible > > talent! > > > > The most important thing here, as with any car, is that the owner was happy > > and from the show it certainly looked like he was. I think it's also great to > > see our favorite car in the spotlight some more on TV. Great publicity! > > > > Great Job Dan! > > > > Cullen > > Yukon, OK > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Double check your DVR time. > > > > > > It's listed as Nov 4, 9 PM EASTERN (6 PM pacific) > > > > > > ...of course, they will replay it about a billion times....eventually. > > > > > > DW > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Map Your Flood Risk > > > Find Floodplan Maps, Facts, FAQs, Your Flood Risk Profile and More! > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5453ad4e7db752d4e4fb9st04vuc > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/prbreuhan@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 5 16:23:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9B725845C4 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 16:23:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f52.google.com (mail-yh0-f52.google.com [209.85.213.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1DC25806BC for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 16:00:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yh0-f52.google.com with SMTP id v1so827508yhn.25 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 15:03:32 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CyZjX/7oeN+DVTwRLH/LmuyseTeYOFP8m/kgzrnn1gs=; b=cTRiKlyfBzryiGW9nC+XgYZit84GE8VQgKRnzVa5JJ4lPzWxxBu7chL9uM2xT565H5 YMjDDe5c64Yx5V4idhwhnBtCT3A69ZsKyQlhjR/7aCBj5SrVPNZ0owPO0ubiM300AlOC hNMAgqqInU3e8fDaJ53Zd6XfyZhB39kGDpP7m3Eo/jSDkzXXTvWw/nhkGQQY4FNO4/X1 lW12yNQcf62wUcuRUVgFIx1mOGwUB5vQ1/1gdILwvoH6ehdYnQQ/A/m7S72GJqoNMqmV Ke2c6Lb097vzYPQUrDikBcuTKkvYjce+jXaklSUBlTFAUVuCi+sgHdkog+IDv2W3JL2A 3Tug== s131mr294625ykc.91.1415228612814; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 15:03:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.225.136 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 15:03:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 18:03:32 -0500 From: Stu To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Overhaulin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I was relieved when I saw the show, having seen some of the "improvements" that Foose has come up with for other cars. But I wish they's spent a little more time on the redesigned front suspension. And given that Dan was there, did it get his torque arm on the rear? A few funny things... Did that lady reference the rear suspension when standing by the new front crossmember? Did they at, one point, have the valve covers on backwards? And a RED engine? The convertible top doors should have been body color with the stripes. And they should have just replaced the veneer on the dash, I didn't like that look at all. And what did they do with the battery? I thought I saw Foose putting a completely flat trunk floor panel in... I never saw it clearly, but in one view it looked like the VIN tag had been removed. But the owner liked it, so I guess that's all that counts. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 5 17:07:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BFE2584F8A for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 17:07:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B5125805FD for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 16:51:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.106]) by resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id Bzuv1p0052JGN3p01zv7nl; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 23:55:07 +0000 Received: from resmail-po-311v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.177.66]) by resomta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id Bzv71p0061SLFBW01zv7YY; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 23:55:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 23:55:06 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Stu References: Thread-Topic: Overhaulin Thread-Index: +O3bVwwDwU4M3Tp5FVnc0/GEQ4hTqg== s=q20140121; t=1415231707; bh=HsTjZu0YmZn06iaONOVOVitPJIkwOBMU296Ku6UW+FU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=uKnhi3z9dDk9MCdISKY9qbR4E5Rt7jZQ8+iCPUVqwSbiaNxFH0+cAwxG5KYw+ifme QB0LvXLjAQZdgtKSAWVnqlBWF9xfkysxUsZ6KEX0GM8Eqf/CPnqITYl8tlxIFcXT0B V62wejEnl0rVOl4Zfw/NqcmUbn4/U92NUxPQKxHagHGnJzHQfdOw2dZezyYSiyMFIw CQlpqv9xpAVI5IZ6oo1ypSk4qdmbmL3Ynn01fK9KdY6NPnNvjyMfGlSCwQBZa5+sCj 6ctLMjg/bT1o5cQeiFSzJ3/Y9k6fedE+vjY5KsRss6UiW6UlY1dEIdX8xkzT5KYE6t ruDr0cq1U+AOw== Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overhaulin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, not the way a Tiger guy would do it, but not TOO untasteful.. Yes she did. The lady(s) aren't there for their car knowledge ;-) Not sure but it kinda looked like they just eliminate the top and made wooden "doors" covered in leather.. A Foose GT model... The dash was ok, except for the tacky "vintage?" gauges. Well, if you send the shell to the blaster, you might as well remove it or else it will be gone anyway. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Stu To: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 23:03:32 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Overhaulin I was relieved when I saw the show, having seen some of the "improvements" that Foose has come up with for other cars. But I wish they's spent a little more time on the redesigned front suspension. And given that Dan was there, did it get his torque arm on the rear? A few funny things... Did that lady reference the rear suspension when standing by the new front crossmember? Did they at, one point, have the valve covers on backwards? And a RED engine? The convertible top doors should have been body color with the stripes. And they should have just replaced the veneer on the dash, I didn't like that look at all. And what did they do with the battery? I thought I saw Foose putting a completely flat trunk floor panel in... I never saw it clearly, but in one view it looked like the VIN tag had been removed. But the owner liked it, so I guess that's all that counts. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 5 18:04:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091A12584F2B for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 18:04:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f48.google.com (mail-oi0-f48.google.com [209.85.218.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4FB2580A1C for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 17:36:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi0-f48.google.com with SMTP id x69so217274oia.35 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 16:39:45 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=WSkN1z1QO1WKDCyyyJ/zdAUHxQi/JiCBIBElB6NJNmk=; b=Jw8ENxSTrzLiQuAQXXaEIQ/8eLhlHZKIwBJ2B4qKkayFUlYCtjpt/vK+CZD8KMI57l hwRe71xjtM3CkBVGJ6LpsS6Ff6CzKrZxToWNyrn8dUkQDOZJwYBdcHeG//orz+G3/fa3 iiOy5g2Pl3mRj2BGS4yp7N00ylwi3u0Z3PSpc3LRdXiKOq0wLef5QNJVMp8v+UNkxoJR VHBayk/uy4dhTI6ahFb0noRWE/TYTg7eAjSvr+fA/D8Ia17FPo/IS4JRYJy0YQaYA0nE kF5/S4OddFKIPpR6Lj84tT+6V/sVkMvXLjrKm1iLw6U+gyLUSoXz1nz1kxi3/NKaqKfu U8ng== d82mr691510oic.4.1415234385538; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 16:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2600:100b:b018:352c:a4dc:6277:39c6:e17e? ([2600:100b:b018:352c:a4dc:6277:39c6:e17e]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 2sm2144694obq.29.2014.11.05.16.39.44 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Nov 2014 16:39:44 -0800 (PST) References: From: Cullen1972 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 18:39:43 -0600 To: Stu Cc: "Tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overhaulin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Stu, yes I noted all of those things as well. Including the vin tag removal. Was it dales front suspension? Cullen Sent from my iPhone. > On Nov 5, 2014, at 5:03 PM, Stu wrote: > > I was relieved when I saw the show, having seen some of the "improvements" > that Foose has come up with for other cars. But I wish they's spent a > little more time on the redesigned front suspension. And given that Dan > was there, did it get his torque arm on the rear? > > A few funny things... Did that lady reference the rear suspension when > standing by the new front crossmember? Did they at, one point, have the > valve covers on backwards? And a RED engine? > > The convertible top doors should have been body color with the stripes. > And they should have just replaced the veneer on the dash, I didn't like > that look at all. And what did they do with the battery? I thought I saw > Foose putting a completely flat trunk floor panel in... > > I never saw it clearly, but in one view it looked like the VIN tag had been > removed. > > But the owner liked it, so I guess that's all that counts. > > Stu > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 5 19:06:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121342585024 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 19:06:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from out02.mta.xmission.com (out02.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDD62580A1C for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 18:35:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx03.mta.xmission.com ([166.70.13.213]) by out02.mta.xmission.com with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XmC25-0001cn-ID; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 18:38:41 -0700 Received: from mta1.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.65]) by mx03.mta.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XmC25-0003sk-G8; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 18:38:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta1.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745EF1C4233; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 18:38:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta1.zcs.xmission.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta1.zcs.xmission.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hcwDy8KWDoIM; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 18:38:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-174-52-151-119.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [174.52.151.119]) (Authenticated sender: cars@wt-inc.com) by mta1.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5486B1C41DA; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 18:38:41 -0700 (MST) From: Cars Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 18:38:39 -0700 References: <4F31C40B-7CFE-4F32-B0F2-6020FDCE034D@gmail.com> To: Cullen1972 to false Cc: "Tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overhaulin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yes it was one of dales front ends. Also I believe he supplied the radiator and a couple of other smaller pieces. I thought the car looked great and I'm glad that it was rescued from the "I hope to get to it someday" pile and repaired properly. That is the real victory here. Every car I have seen has something that I don't like so I am perfectly okay with everything I saw and glad it got pulled from the heap. Dale was there for the reveal, you can actually see him on the left when the owner says he was "overhauled". Dale said the quality of work was very high and the car was beautiful. He was impressed Lynn Sent from my mobile device > On Nov 5, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Cullen1972 wrote: > > Stu, yes I noted all of those things as well. Including the vin tag removal. > > Was it dales front suspension? > > Cullen > > Sent from my iPhone. > >> On Nov 5, 2014, at 5:03 PM, Stu wrote: >> >> I was relieved when I saw the show, having seen some of the "improvements" >> that Foose has come up with for other cars. But I wish they's spent a >> little more time on the redesigned front suspension. And given that Dan >> was there, did it get his torque arm on the rear? >> >> A few funny things... Did that lady reference the rear suspension when >> standing by the new front crossmember? Did they at, one point, have the >> valve covers on backwards? And a RED engine? >> >> The convertible top doors should have been body color with the stripes. >> And they should have just replaced the veneer on the dash, I didn't like >> that look at all. And what did they do with the battery? I thought I saw >> Foose putting a completely flat trunk floor panel in... >> >> I never saw it clearly, but in one view it looked like the VIN tag had been >> removed. >> >> But the owner liked it, so I guess that's all that counts. >> >> Stu >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 6 05:24:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446DA25851CF for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 05:24:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm48-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm48-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20DB225804F8 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 05:01:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.173] by nm48.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2014 12:04:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.192] by tm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2014 12:04:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2014 12:04:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 22151 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2014 12:04:52 -0000 s=s1024; t=1415275492; bh=Pt1jFfdHbqoku+eKaSe+9bct+LmMUe0vUEYgavVLQic=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=w1yMcKdUfGRSrfwmcXCxpXoMYEiHKCMlOJOQxSfqHZ0+segIPM5tab4W6dU9JcwR8nkHL2UJKzleM/6r0tOkPTFIMJlH/S1bqMxYwGgFZ8sMm6sIYugRJAm8iNgu4bK96K+qjhk6XVduq439RuMwYx9zQkFp5A3/oWZwc4nwbIs= BlmmN7CkB4cn2mkd6J3rl5h4xKRa95uapKdpsvo4kvQvG03VGBK3t_QmkeF1 rbB8FVrSM6WKkMx8UOCK.iDmaNRV5OL.4yaPwKyWKMUuABb23Jku8VxXx3zi im0KPy3IvlVHrPQeAHzJykQVdC9BMQ0nNyZ8W9IFvBgdiYku7jCOy7jhH4V2 x4wTjTf1C90tXyZ3y5kvORJFXzsiEQw0S0LhFCE32Q26HtjIZlWjwHQZHqjl nlVjCvflg_yA9Tuxo3wQ2KvKhekhAz4gEflNTLZ2zhaV6yFc6I6YvLdftpOK enuXfZar7CziztqJOPkTkzkYyrbd5O2xq88yCOYtIbvxW9nEemXPtIZBuqqR 7fa1PKJFExvHlfa0zzGSNXEfUqwpREWOS3TYP4WDYKkyDE5FM0m3jJMsPxlc s0guB6ScEr9jhYtoyTYRe8BAou.Beq5tEb792EzFplLcrEqyKiUzmwSo8DJ5 B4SzTlHmRwrfC8ojxgIBECMNHv3sbywTecw-- Received: from [173.48.171.211] by web162705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 04:04:52 PST CkksIHRvbywgbm90aWNlZCB0aGF0IHRoZSBmZW1hbGUgaG9zdCBtaXMtaWRlbnRpZmllZCB0aGUgc3VzcGVuc2lvbiBjb21wb25lbnQsIGFuZCB0aGUgdmlkZW8gZWRpdG9ycyBrZXB0IHRoZSBlcnJvciBpbi4gSSBkb27igJl0IGtub3cgdGhlIG9yaWdpbiBvZiB0aGUgZnJvbnQgc3VzcGVuc2lvbiBhc3NlbWJseSwgYnV0IGhhdmluZyBzZWVuIHRoZSBvbmUgYnVpbHQgYnkgdGhlIEhva2Fuc29u4oCZcyBvZiBJZGFobyBhdCBVbml0ZWRzLCBqdXN0IGFzc3VtZWQgdGhhdCBpdCB3YXMgdGhlaXJzLiBBbHNvLCABMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 04:04:52 -0800 From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Overhaul'n Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I, too, noticed that the female host mis-identified the suspension component, and the video editors kept the error in. I donbt know the origin of the front suspension assembly, but having seen the one built by the Hokansonbs of Idaho at Uniteds, just assumed that it was theirs. Also, I should thank Dan Walters of CAT for being the Tiger advisor for this episode of Overhaulbn. As for the red , my guess is that someone, maybe Chip but maybe the car owner or his son, wanted a contrasting color to show off the motor against the bright blue engine compartment. Remember that Chip Foose could do an extremely good and faithful restoration, in the vein of Bill Martin and Dale A, but the owner was interested in some features being borrowed in appearance from a Cobra(the paint color and stripes, the black instrument panel and aftermarket gauges). A few posters on Facebook wondered aloud why vendors like Martha Christiansen(ProPrep) and Rick McLeod werenbt called upon for the project. My guess is that, for one thing, this is a weekly TV program with short deadlines, and these vendors might take too long to work out, and there is the feature of many how-to cable shows that much of the products and services are donated or sold at a deep discount in exchange for promotional consideration. I donbt know what the arrangement was for this car, but thatbs partial reason why Victoria British was chosen instead of Rick. As to not painting the convertible top doors in a matching color and painting them black(this car was a 1965 Tiger Mark I B947), Ibve seen more and more Mark Ibs on the web finished like this. I agree with Gary about the VIN tag. It was rightly removed before the shell was media-blasted, thatbs no longer considered a dodgy practice as long as it can be documented by the owner. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 6 09:13:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D7C2585739 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 09:13:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com (mail-pa0-f53.google.com [209.85.220.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF182580331 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 08:53:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id kx10so1481123pab.40 for ; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 07:57:12 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oUfZlK3f4rStN5AmDZx2AfadFiiKnChWQFxdywtq/f8=; b=1HXKWbP8wWEl4gVakaywLCu8FfNal7VC2m/lTLl5XE45Bj0okjBPmbhNlqRpN47Cj5 wntLCf6QNNqiSP/5NWg+vEVEE97ZCOlRCwyJGvVqACRgR/I6KaaQAar/xHFpknmNZxS8 dsxHb8omN8uDjG4fW9uTtOjSWQ74BxL3IRKsig5qdbwxIK2p9dVZbxXlbGpZq7za6wpu bczg0GsvbFzT5B2D+1DH/kVVQ5knQ6oSfZoyhZOzRfhEOPSoISjHrVrX6Muttz93DHCG KAnZtMRi1jTYp9bnt7OEMEPORnKLZs6fBqttLruPx/+X3JBfgvd/bVrNdCUfoI8Y3Umy fMdQ== Thu, 06 Nov 2014 07:57:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.53.194 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 07:57:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 10:57:12 -0500 From: Mark Rense To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Overhaulin' Tiger Link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For those that are cable TV challenged: http://youtu.be/p6M8KLVCqZc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 6 09:58:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA65258533C for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 09:58:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from out03.mta.xmission.com (out03.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224912585735 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 09:41:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx02.mta.xmission.com ([166.70.13.212]) by out03.mta.xmission.com with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XmQB7-0005ju-QS; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 09:44:57 -0700 Received: from mta2.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.66]) by mx02.mta.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XmQB7-00084g-Li; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 09:44:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta2.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0CA6011D8; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 09:44:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2.zcs.xmission.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta2.zcs.xmission.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lhvdn50e5wmd; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 09:44:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from LynnWallPC (c-76-23-31-210.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [76.23.31.210]) (Authenticated sender: cars@wt-inc.com) by mta2.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BF4456011D9; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 09:44:56 -0700 (MST) From: "Lynn" To: "'snakebit289'" , References: <1415275492.54769.YahooMailNeo@web162705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 09:44:49 -0700 Thread-Index: AQIkyzdNbDP3uyv07Nk6yzt1ZEiCVpuqKOHQ Content-Language: en-us to false Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers and Overhaul'n Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I spoke with Dale and he said that he saw lots of packages on the shelf that were from Sunbeam specialties. As far as using Pro Prep for the upholstery, Chip always does custom stuff. I'm not sure why anyone would expect Martha to be involved in this due simply to the nature of the build. Also, the process for one of these cars takes many weeks, even months so the disassembly, body work and paint may only take a couple of weeks (likely much longer due to Chip's other commitments like SEMA and similar events etc), the prep and coordination started a long time ago. About a year ago they did a Lotus for Jay Leno's soda delivery guy. Mike Michel visited Chip's shop and was told that build took something like 6 months just for the labor (Mike correct me if I'm wrong on this). Lynn -----Original Message----- From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of snakebit289 Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 5:05 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Overhaul'n I, too, noticed that the female host mis-identified the suspension component, and the video editors kept the error in. I donbt know the origin of the front suspension assembly, but having seen the one built by the Hokansonbs of Idaho at Uniteds, just assumed that it was theirs. Also, I should thank Dan Walters of CAT for being the Tiger advisor for this episode of Overhaulbn. As for the red , my guess is that someone, maybe Chip but maybe the car owner or his son, wanted a contrasting color to show off the motor against the bright blue engine compartment. Remember that Chip Foose could do an extremely good and faithful restoration, in the vein of Bill Martin and Dale A, but the owner was interested in some features being borrowed in appearance from a Cobra(the paint color and stripes, the black instrument panel and aftermarket gauges). A few posters on Facebook wondered aloud why vendors like Martha Christiansen(ProPrep) and Rick McLeod werenbt called upon for the project. My guess is that, for one thing, this is a weekly TV program with short deadlines, and these vendors might take too long to work out, and there is the feature of many how-to cable shows that much of the products and services are donated or sold at a deep discount in exchange for promotional consideration. I donbt know what the arrangement was for this car, but thatbs partial reason why Victoria British was chosen instead of Rick. As to not painting the convertible top doors in a matching color and painting them black(this car was a 1965 Tiger Mark I B947), Ibve seen more and more Mark Ibs on the web finished like this. I agree with Gary about the VIN tag. It was rightly removed before the shell was media-blasted, thatbs no longer considered a dodgy practice as long as it can be documented by the owner. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 6 10:14:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36BD62585116 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 10:14:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1A325848BF for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 09:50:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.108]) by resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id CGtN1p0022LrikM01GuE4p; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 16:54:14 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-601v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.50.125]) by resomta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id CGsE1p00T2i4P9N01GsEcC; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 16:52:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:52:14 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Mark Rense References: (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: Overhaulin' Tiger Link Thread-Index: lOr+mvua2UjP8UACoR2E9x62AlJS6A== s=q20140121; t=1415292854; bh=VV457AXIGvwwwGELPA7fjCCsn6gGgGLyXjvPF2cAVEc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=rj3ktOZSu0G1AACrfRgrvF4n9YZE7bzH/FFDAkdyQe4OTyDfQsVJekEqzvLq4vWaA WfvC49IHeVF8v6nm2TyBZaQawvvobYRhvZtf7A5xZRJS68W+AAg6U33/H6dC4xN/vX VOdGVo4/UD8kFWESrKmjaaDr+RZIQUe4MZSQjGRlC5GTVu04NxpXfMtVH9UEZoEsJE nFijus1K+19i6TlYBGZaAOhX3VXg+kTshH+LZXeefdgw3w14pvCOM20yP6I4OioMP5 UPv2riizgeDbwRcdN5+ZMQXoHCVRAWrEuZCxksR1hTofU8iXNd1kz0QD0XCfnoc+Zn NMM7ryGJVeCjA== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overhaulin' Tiger Link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Mark, I was just talking to a fellow Tiger owner that missed the program. I passed this along. Now he won't have to wait for the reruns. BTW, I thought they did a very nice job. I think their overall theme was to emphasize the Cobra comparison. In that respect, the black dash and different instruments along with the different seats and interior trim came off rather well. I was interested to see what Chip would come up with in the way of wheels for the car. Not what I would rush out and buy but I could see them as something a Tiger guy personalizing his car might consider. The paint color looked and stripes looked nice, just wish they had not painted the motor that red/ red - orange color. No doubt Dan, and Dale, had some major influence on the direction of the project. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rense" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:57:12 AM Subject: [Tigers] Overhaulin' Tiger Link For those that are cable TV challenged: http://youtu.be/p6M8KLVCqZc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 6 10:45:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C9E25844ED for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 10:45:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC2E2580331 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 10:24:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.100.114] by nm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2014 17:28:15 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.237] by tm105.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2014 17:28:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1037.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2014 17:28:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 84798 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2014 17:28:14 -0000 s=s1024; t=1415294894; bh=BzJnX7A2zpbSc3fCKqdO0uIoPoqum0qNCz1Vcf23gAc=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LfEC/g8rqTUQHEt7zQLDBAc9FfAluvabDhUH2HXpiC1V5UILTEgw+dGMIAFV7R31iF5CZux3wPkhUOKu2C2wpfdeCMV+W+VzqycV+hGXFsF/CwK13Ve5N0iRuxm+4FPVAyVjuM3lRSqKLvMuRV9aTJaCuq+FpMyplEcyTkW9KB4= C.mWzbwvCKksGHgdd2ADwNMoe9Xr1QZUckUyhn3mipkgH1anBSfRu5VLbK3u pjYN6hWrCnUN9HeGW.FJllz_iS7t2gxbOQUpOy0FUexwPDjFvoLfhbWaK5xD QDtIR4lHbR9Wxr_JM0024uNPWjw4C85YuqqIFPYtC29AQnyZ4VIgcE2ILE6g xGuriZahsXwBo1NXwzv4jdaoRsi.Rk0wKI17Xi8sVGuC70daRTkm2tafECOb ubzPuAmb0YX2L9rCLn87IPKx1kxeeTwUeKSQRMPU.1E11PTLUqCCflvCufzB 8lFFTbcyF3gyhFy.Bu1kLTxCLLwDKP67HwPbiyqXBCH_.1xoLsHNbPFFsSi7 .AY3yJp2B20QyE6NfDTUII4a89Yx8Ay4fe6XPfKg617HBRnAbCSzgmHH8oRB ugtqUtTr6ov3q7VUbT6nUYdp6X.65QATXRIjTugGzKe3EgUX.UhihNEOe0Fl XuYUnzMm3v9uSD55gMRJyoufBd.Dks5I- Received: from [108.42.122.102] by web125203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 09:28:14 PST U3VuYmVhbSBTcGVjaWFsdGllcyBzb2xkIHRoZW0gYWJvdXQgJDIsNzUwIHdvcnRoIG9mIHBhcnRzIGZyb20gTWFyY2ggdGhyb3VnaCBKdW5lLiAgICBUaGV5IGNvdWxkIGhhdmUgaGFkIHRoZWlyIG5hbWUgc2hvd24gb24gYm94ZXMgYnV0IFJpY2sgZG9lc24ndCBoYXZlIHN1Y2ggYm94ZXMuICAgCgoKRG91ZyBMeWxlCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBMeW5uIDxjYXJzQHd0LWluYy5jb20.ClRvOiAnc25ha2ViaXQyODknIDxzbmFrZWJpdDI4OUB5YWhvby5jb20.OyABMAEBAQE- References: <1415275492.54769.YahooMailNeo@web162705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <004e01cff9e0$fbfb1380$f3f13a80$@wt-inc.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 09:28:14 -0800 From: Douglas Lyle To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers and Overhaul'n Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sunbeam Specialties sold them about $2,750 worth of parts from March through June. They could have had their name shown on boxes but Rick doesn't have such boxes. Doug Lyle ________________________________ From: Lynn To: 'snakebit289' ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers and Overhaul'n I spoke with Dale and he said that he saw lots of packages on the shelf that were from Sunbeam specialties. As far as using Pro Prep for the upholstery, Chip always does custom stuff. I'm not sure why anyone would expect Martha to be involved in this due simply to the nature of the build. Also, the process for one of these cars takes many weeks, even months so the disassembly, body work and paint may only take a couple of weeks (likely much longer due to Chip's other commitments like SEMA and similar events etc), the prep and coordination started a long time ago. About a year ago they did a Lotus for Jay Leno's soda delivery guy. Mike Michel visited Chip's shop and was told that build took something like 6 months just for the labor (Mike correct me if I'm wrong on this). Lynn -----Original Message----- From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of snakebit289 Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 5:05 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Overhaul'n I, too, noticed that the female host mis-identified the suspension component, and the video editors kept the error in. I donbt know the origin of the front suspension assembly, but having seen the one built by the Hokansonbs of Idaho at Uniteds, just assumed that it was theirs. Also, I should thank Dan Walters of CAT for being the Tiger advisor for this episode of Overhaulbn. As for the red , my guess is that someone, maybe Chip but maybe the car owner or his son, wanted a contrasting color to show off the motor against the bright blue engine compartment. Remember that Chip Foose could do an extremely good and faithful restoration, in the vein of Bill Martin and Dale A, but the owner was interested in some features being borrowed in appearance from a Cobra(the paint color and stripes, the black instrument panel and aftermarket gauges). A few posters on Facebook wondered aloud why vendors like Martha Christiansen(ProPrep) and Rick McLeod werenbt called upon for the project. My guess is that, for one thing, this is a weekly TV program with short deadlines, and these vendors might take too long to work out, and there is the feature of many how-to cable shows that much of the products and services are donated or sold at a deep discount in exchange for promotional consideration. I donbt know what the arrangement was for this car, but thatbs partial reason why Victoria British was chosen instead of Rick. As to not painting the convertible top doors in a matching color and painting them black(this car was a 1965 Tiger Mark I B947), Ibve seen more and more Mark Ibs on the web finished like this. I agree with Gary about the VIN tag. It was rightly removed before the shell was media-blasted, thatbs no longer considered a dodgy practice as long as it can be documented by the owner. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 6 12:34:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A295258575B for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 12:34:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46E125845BC for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 12:16:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from user1PC ([71.118.184.19]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NEM00I5CTPDS520@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 13:20:04 -0600 (CST) a=vlLUdT8U/STnybzxLaOiHA==:117 a=6jom2F-P7HcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=kJw03VQKraiRKhEDKc4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 From: "Tom Witt" To: References: <45387190.2627430.1415231706571.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:19:55 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overhaulin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Some observations: One would assume the car had no body repairs in the 32 years the teacher owned it. Man, that car was sure beat up/hacked in its first 18 years of life. It was hard to tell, but it looked like they had the lower sill piece on a shrinking machine (for a nano second). I'm not sure if my sills came from BV but they were basically straight and don't follow the curve of the bottom of the door. I would guess they are tweaking these as well??? Did anyone catch the layer of thick yellow primer (ummm, thin layer of Bondo) over almost the entire car? Another (side) point, has anyone ever noticed cars that were repaired long ago. They will go through an Overhaulin like process of stripping the body. ONLY then is it revealed that there was "hidden" repairs that were improperly done. Ironically, the "improper repair" never showed - even many years later. Not saying I support hack welds and thick Bondo, just saying maybe it doesn't matter - too much. While the first 400 Tigers came with the vinyl dash I think the wood dash is a very distinctive aspect of a Tiger. Kind of sad that it and the cubby hole were deleted. Foose's alteration of the lower front didn't look too bad. I'll have to contemplate it. On the other hand wagon wheels with forklift tires just don't work for me. They were too big and too thin. Given the original state of the Tiger I agree it was great to see it get the needed body repair. Trying to "Cobra-ize" it was a bit sad. A Cobra is a Cobra and a Tiger is a Tiger. Regarding the exposure aspect; I think Dan said it best, the car is an "Underdog." I probably sit in the minority but I'd rather be ask what it is (anonymous/unique) than to have the general populous know it is a Tiger, but perceiving it as a "lesser Cobra-like" car. Lastly, it would have been nice to have seen an explanation of what separated a Tiger from and Alpine rather than slanting to the Cobra. I mean, did we have to see models drop valve covers (less gaskets and bolts) on the engine over presenting the unique aspects of a Tiger? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 6 13:47:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0501258444B for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:47:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1on0110.outbound.protection.outlook.com [157.56.110.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270C125802EA for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:30:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from CO2PR04CA040.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (10.141.240.168) by BN1PR04MB456.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (10.141.59.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.16.15; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 20:30:47 +0000 Received: from BN1BFFO11FD031.protection.gbl (2a01:111:f400:7c10::1:180) by CO2PR04CA040.outlook.office365.com (2a01:111:e400:1428::40) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.11.14 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 20:30:46 +0000 Received: from garmin.com (204.77.163.247) by BN1BFFO11FD031.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.58.144.94) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.6.13 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 20:30:45 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com (10.5.143.142) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.210.2; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 14:31:06 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.33]) by OLAWPA-EXHT02.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.143.142]) with mapi id 14.03.0181.006; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 14:30:43 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Mark Rense , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Overhaulin' Tiger Link Thread-Index: AQHP+d0g7GHvLprWWUinlvgUWgD/W5xT/JEA Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 20:30:41 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.1.140326 x-originating-ip: [10.5.143.129] Content-ID: <640EF1C6144C5348ADBD30796D0E8DE0@garmin.com> SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(438002)(51914003)(377454003)(24454002)(36304003)(199003)(377424004)(189002)(4396001)(40036004)(120916001)(21056001)(83506001)(99396003)(92726001)(92566001)(69596002)(68736004)(44976005)(6806004)(19580395003)(19580405001)(76176999)(50986999)(23676002)(46102003)(54356999)(84676001)(87936001)(2501002)(86362001)(97736003)(2656002)(64706001)(20776003)(47776003)(21086002)(50466002)(77156002)(77096003)(62966003)(106466001)(81156004)(36756003)(106116001)(16796002)(107886001)(107046002)(31966008)(95666004); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BN1PR04MB456; H:garmin.com; FPR:; PTR:InfoDomainNonexistent; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; Received-SPF: Pass (protection.outlook.com: domain of garmin.com designates 204.77.163.247 as permitted sender) receiver=protection.outlook.com; client-ip=204.77.163.247; helo=garmin.com; Authentication-Results: spf=pass (sender IP is 204.77.163.247) smtp.mailfrom=Theo.Smit@garmin.com; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overhaulin' Tiger Link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the link, Mark! Our local cable provider doesnbt carry Velocity (and Netflix Canada doesnbt carry Overhaulinb either). I got about 1/3 of the way through the episode, will have to catch the rest of it in the next few days. Cheers, Theo On 2014-11-06, 8:57 AM, "Mark Rense" wrote: > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 6 14:03:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835A2258080D for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 14:03:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from wavecable.net (cgbe-5.wavecable.com [24.113.32.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2328C25802EA for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:43:58 -0700 (MST) a=n4nCgACdt7rXIePKTxGtBQ==:117 a=n4nCgACdt7rXIePKTxGtBQ==:17 a=jPJDawAOAc8A:10 a=1DP8XHvC6M4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=cKxik7jdpHoA:10 a=iBb_pUaqAAAA:8 a=-9dKnBYLAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kJw03VQKraiRKhEDKc4A:9 a=091DGlg-TcXzTQJk:21 a=Cw83KAIH-YrI2OVw:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Received: from [76.14.96.71] (HELO starstream.net) by cgfe-8-mx.wavecable.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 786573862; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:41:32 -0800 Received: from STARMAIL [76.14.96.71] by starstream.net (SMTPD-12.2.0.235) id fa350179938dd2cd; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:14:02 -0800 From: "DERRICK SCHMIDT" To: "Tom Witt" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 13:14:02 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overhaulin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net "did we have to see models drop valve covers (less gaskets and bolts) on the engine over presenting the unique aspects of a Tiger?" Haven't watched it yet (recorded it) but I think the most coveted demographic for advertisers is 18 to 49 males. You think they would rather hear about subtleties of an under dog feline namesake car than a few extra shots of v-neck t shirts leaning over fenders or car parts? Just for philosophical consideration. Derrick ---- Original Message ---- From: "Tom Witt" Sent: 11/6/2014 12:11:46 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overhaulin Some observations: One would assume the car had no body repairs in the 32 years the teacher owned it. Man, that car was sure beat up/hacked in its first 18 years of life. It was hard to tell, but it looked like they had the lower sill piece on a shrinking machine (for a nano second). I'm not sure if my sills came from BV but they were basically straight and don't follow the curve of the bottom of the door. I would guess they are tweaking these as well??? Did anyone catch the layer of thick yellow primer (ummm, thin layer of Bondo) over almost the entire car? Another (side) point, has anyone ever noticed cars that were repaired long ago. They will go through an Overhaulin like process of stripping the body. ONLY then is it revealed that there was "hidden" repairs that were improperly done. Ironically, the "improper repair" never showed - even many years later. Not saying I support hack welds and thick Bondo, just saying maybe it doesn't matter - too much. While the first 400 Tigers came with the vinyl dash I think the wood dash is a very distinctive aspect of a Tiger. Kind of sad that it and the cubby hole were deleted. Foose's alteration of the lower front didn't look too bad. I'll have to contemplate it. On the other hand wagon wheels with forklift tires just don't work for me. They were too big and too thin. Given the original state of the Tiger I agree it was great to see it get the needed body repair. Trying to "Cobra-ize" it was a bit sad. A Cobra is a Cobra and a Tiger is a Tiger. Regarding the exposure aspect; I think Dan said it best, the car is an "Underdog." I probably sit in the minority but I'd rather be ask what it is (anonymous/unique) than to have the general populous know it is a Tiger, but perceiving it as a "lesser Cobra-like" car. Lastly, it would have been nice to have seen an explanation of what separated a Tiger from and Alpine rather than slanting to the Cobra. I mean, did we have to see models drop valve covers (less gaskets and bolts) on the engine over presenting the unique aspects of a Tiger? _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 6 18:34:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A308B2585230 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 18:34:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm37-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm37-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED38B2585162 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 18:10:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm37.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2014 01:13:59 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.56] by nm37.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2014 01:11:02 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.173] by tm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2014 01:11:02 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.219] by tm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2014 01:11:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2014 01:11:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 48229 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 2014 01:11:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1415322662; bh=ny8WwG2x2nWsbPrL9keCU5X82TLQNZrvMyZ/SvuaNR8=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0Zcp3QwQFoo1IcIqXl+O4xCwgT4imO7ukqfwNF+09KTyBfQzK2c4uhY0s+Zt2PVhWxjyvrWIV9RAppOVm5biNpLFKOYrhfDRiWHYiJPC/bs6a07HvfJrgEMs7zQgmw84WfMrGaXxCi0hAS22Ltunl41Twyx5xPsUVuL/PGjn72o= yl9Rh0.sFATe9bOCpYgSi2BefXnUQOz8Oy4_ejFSHnDlTaHSfcOzYLD7tIGq Ftr4euJrNfGnPDDBAQ0dttBnNHoENJMJOqR1EkgSpfn6h4_fYu6br6MrPjZy aYj1gHnKrvkD8kT.OWoYOIlMtse8KKgC08NQ5N8XMrh.XlAcuxzQlqDuCoxi NzmOitFb6XObh.R5JW4RIkKGIqguRZYTdmFN1Bo0ksk7Z8Ht9zKaTQzcsWzX jyvTIPfjP8KM6ZVUrXlGhVlokcQfomNiP9hocDtn68dXNxcaf_0HqO_aYMeT BKPseaWGsL.dgrB2csrldnryeKnKcXjpJfohy9e1PQhJXVHVdZeJ4XCcqoAL b7F7bdZ3x1YTcKtr5W_etldfn6qh2hIvGCpdyOjSBX49tT3V1fD9yfujNwZt Pw4W3v5deBw.At2qVbhN6Vc9VeHCehtrtZZKwFyyT3mKckGzkrDQbCNxF_s7 P2azpE3IYZCSa8w0OwUXSTti1LsvzQGK7IDZJOMDgRro- Received: from [173.48.171.211] by web162701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 17:11:02 PST SSBndWVzcyB0aGF0J3MgaG93IHNvbWUgdXMgY2FuIHRlbGwgd2UncmUgYWdpbmcsIHdoZW4gd2Ugd2F0Y2ggY2FyIHNob3dzIGZvciB0aGUgY2FycywgdGhpbmsgQ2hhc2luZyBDbGFzc2ljcyhXYXluZSBDYXJpbmkpIGFuZCBKYXkgTGVubydzIEdhcmFnZQoKUmFuZGUKATABAQEB Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 17:11:02 -0800 From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Overhaul'n Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I guess that's how some us can tell we're aging, when we watch car shows for the cars, think Chasing Classics(Wayne Carini) and Jay Leno's Garage Rande _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 6 19:19:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513E62585370 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 19:19:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from pm-bdc2.pmlights.com (pm-bdc2.pmlights.com [65.69.172.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034DC25852BE for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 19:02:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from WEBMAIL.pmlights.com (webmail.pmlights.com [65.69.172.96]) by pm-bdc2.pmlights.com with ESMTP id KFmpUXAZrNPd9sfM; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 20:05:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from WEBMAIL.pmlights.com ([65.69.172.96]) by WEBMAIL.pmlights.com ([65.69.172.96]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 20:03:47 -0600 From: "Armacost, Don Jr." To: snakebit289 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Overhaul'n Thread-Index: AQHP+itdRKJ6too6gkCqZYFbp3hqgpxUactY Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 02:03:47 +0000 References: <1415322662.16420.YahooMailNeo@web162701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overhaul'n Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm 72 today and still enjoy the women as much as the cars. Hope that stays true to the "end". Don Armacost Jr President -CEO Peterson Manufacturing Co. 816-765-2000 On Nov 6, 2014, at 7:37 PM, snakebit289 I guess that's how some us can tell we're aging, when we watch car shows for the cars, think Chasing Classics(Wayne Carini) and Jay Leno's Garage Rande _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drarmacost@pmlights.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the Recipient. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and might not represent those of Peterson Manufacturing and subsidiaries. Although Peterson Manufacturing and subsidiaries has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 6 21:19:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5614125849A3 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 21:19:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC3S31.hotmail.com (blu004-omc3s31.hotmail.com [65.55.116.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CEB425846BC for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 21:00:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU184-W27 ([65.55.116.73]) by BLU004-OMC3S31.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Thu, 6 Nov 2014 20:03:33 -0800 From: David and Varley Tweddle To: "Tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 12:03:33 +0800 FILETIME=[CC81DC60:01CFFA3F] Subject: [Tigers] Brake pads for competition. What is the latest? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Sunbeamers, I'm needing a set of new competition brake pads. I have been using Porterfield competition pads which have been OK (Please note I have the Dale A ventilated rotor and "spaced out" calipers installed). I'm thinking of Hawk HP Plus HB169N.560 at $94.46 from Summit Racing. Cost posted to Australia is $137.74 (USD). I'm wondering if any of you that use your cars for speed events with P16/M16 calipers have experience with anything better than these? Cheers from "Down Under" David Tweddle (alias Tiger_DFT). _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 7 09:55:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5621E2584900 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 09:55:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3A425808EF for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 09:33:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mbc01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbc01.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.143]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D148D703D8A24; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:37:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mla01f.mail.aol.com (core-mla01.mail.aol.com [172.27.37.1]) by mtaomg-mbc01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7BF9938000085; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:37:00 -0500 (EST) References: To: davidandvarley@hotmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net From: mwood24020@aol.com Received: from 198.59.53.10 by webmail-vd004.sysops.aol.com (205.188.20.37) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:37:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:37:00 -0500 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1415378221; bh=bopHa4OjpqSprECyYodiqLko6Whg5Wt3qlofiT9hiP4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=e+/hJaW3ogocCCfUesYB/LjUi+oyfXpPGGO11tAqIfIyrRSHQvkmne9l/eXX5adG/ B3xixTM88JVPU7U7Cnpkd/EOX/hVec0AGwQQIuE1zMsRruP4+cW6cGPyu0hBREWYoK gVwJHQybgMqoxfs6q+AZOLPa0Sw8XSjBabHR/GmA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1add8f545cf52c6e86 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake pads for competition. What is the latest? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For serious track use, the HP+ won't have enough temp ceiling. If you want to run Hawks, maybe a DTC-50 compound works for you. I'm a big fan of Carbotech's compounds. For the Tiger, XP8 front and XP10 rear (if you have rear discs) makes sense. End of day, brake pad compound choice is one of those kind of personal choices. Lots of compounds should give the temp range you're seeking, but the initial bite, sensitivity to modulation and overall feel will vary -----Original Message----- From: David and Varley Tweddle To: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Nov 7, 2014 8:09 am Subject: [Tigers] Brake pads for competition. What is the latest? Hi Sunbeamers, I'm needing a set of new competition brake pads. I have been using Porterfield competition pads which have been OK (Please note I have the Dale A ventilated rotor and "spaced out" calipers installed). I'm thinking of Hawk HP Plus HB169N.560 at $94.46 from Summit Racing. Cost posted to Australia is $137.74 (USD). I'm wondering if any of you that use your cars for speed events with P16/M16 calipers have experience with anything better than these? Cheers from "Down Under" David Tweddle (alias Tiger_DFT). _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 7 09:55:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192ED2584C5A for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 09:55:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EA225808EF for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 09:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mae01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mae01.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.143]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 17124700370B9; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mla06h.mail.aol.com (core-mla06.mail.aol.com [172.27.37.6]) by mtaomg-mae01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B205B38000093; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:38:28 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:38:28 -0500 To: drarmacost@pmlights.com, snakebit289@yahoo.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1415378309; bh=/6ZL0XWabAnhZmkliBmrANA91rPcECwee+vWT4+sqiU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=COAVCmnBr7As9t93ty0uWkK5I0pAKBrv0u8UX/a5mopcMqXqlZ8SuBqHjnu/9Hwpb iPHRQw+wH8+sAAZjlpQoxAS2w8vnBrOnSAbeijvpqRIwls6laK9A7DC/GFh8BrgkA9 PrQ/qQ7WXCmWc2Zy7OYfiyYQkv2mfwB8khGMgo14= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe8f545cf5840e05 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overhaul'n Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net LOL, love it. In a message dated 11/7/2014 11:29:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drarmacost@pmlights.com writes: I'm 72 today and still enjoy the women as much as the cars. Hope that stays true to the "end". Don Armacost Jr President -CEO Peterson Manufacturing Co. 816-765-2000 On Nov 6, 2014, at 7:37 PM, snakebit289 I guess that's how some us can tell we're aging, when we watch car shows for the cars, think Chasing Classics(Wayne Carini) and Jay Leno's Garage Rande _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drarmacost@pmlights.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the Recipient. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, copy or alter this email. 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Although Peterson Manufacturing and subsidiaries has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 7 09:56:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0F22584A09 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 09:56:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6612125808EF for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 09:36:11 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1415378378; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=To:Date:Subject:Content-Type:From:Message-Id; b=REZ8dvFXIAsT5aafhk/fo34TTX6kbz2ft2+33acVW4PiHupPyY/FzUO1JJu/m/n81 0k0CM4kxLii/gugRQNKzH2iTahVQeJR/8BmdIRebMgaUvMqAWnFkieEc96wYkbzAvr LfvphDYu2GkZkzVtjZzqhi86XSB+INqX64AePquA= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (mailpop01.vgs.untd.com [10.181.45.21]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLF37QAAMQYX2S for (sender ); Fri, 7 Nov 2014 08:39:28 -0800 (PST) To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 20:38:53 -0800 From: Subject: [Tigers] Overhaulin Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have started to write down the details of my story of the Overhaulin experience, mostly for my progressively worsening memory. But here is the short story: I was not the first "Tiger Expert" they selected, as it turns out, I was the last, and likely the only one to do it with no strings attached. My first goal was to get the frame straight so headers would fit. When stock manifolds were chosen, the frame dimensions were not a worry. BAD idea! Little did I know they would go with Dale's front end AND it's STOCK mounting dimensions. Hint, Dale's front end does NOT easily bolt to a BENT car! I came on the scene on "day 5" and missed most of the BIG bodywork. I was there on four different days. I didn't see or talk to Chris Jacobs. AJ was not there the first two days I was there. I had VERY little control of what they did, ....more like NONE! My main job, the way I saw it, was to tell them what parts went where. BUT I DO take the blame for suggesting Dale's front end, mostly because they wanted to drastically lower the front of the car and they didn't want to take the time to mod the parts to suit. However, "they" were well aware of Dale's front end before then. And Dale DID get paid for the front end. BUT he did donate parts of which I saw no mention! The final assembly was started on a Friday and completed, mostly, on the following Monday, with very little work done over the weekend. As far as I could tell, the only thing not functioning (for driveability) at the revel was the hydraulics, someone failed to pre-fit the master cylinder reservoirs on the aftermarket setup, they hit the firewall and were unusable. The one thing that did impress me was the lack of management overhead visible while I was there. During the assembly, there was virtually no one telling the individual "A team" members what to do. They all just intuitively DID the jobs that needed to be done. It WAS quite amazing! And as you could expect, there were some undone things at revel time. If you noticed, there were no front turn signal lights ( non-standard, of course) on the car. And the car received a soft top before delivery, not done on revel day. The car did not have a Tiger Torque arm installed at revel, but it DID have 160 lbs of weight in the trunk, under the false floor, to lower the rear as much as they could. About the show, as is usual, they have a LOT of "footage" on the cutting room floor! It was interesting that the day after the showing, TWO versions of the show were on Youtube! I saw both JUST before the better quality one was DELETED! The deleted one was longer, 43: xx minutes, seemed to have a more real time to it and had better sound. The other one is shorter ( speeded up?) and the sound level is lower, so much for all the "better digital" ....stuff! What remains: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6M8KLVCqZc DW ____________________________________________________________ Map Your Flood Risk Find Floodplan Maps, Facts, FAQs, Your Flood Risk Profile and More! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/545cf5c06ccdc75c00e7cst03vuc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 7 11:11:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888652585549 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:11:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE0625845F7 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 10:53:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mce01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mce01.mx.aol.com [172.29.27.207]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D8C9370334ED7; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 12:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mla06h.mail.aol.com (core-mla06.mail.aol.com [172.27.37.6]) by mtaomg-mce01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 655B638000088; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 12:57:13 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 12:57:13 -0500 To: spmdr@juno.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1415383033; bh=3KW6JWvGowQPXx7zzjfNVsozftuK3iR4xiKDMIWB7To=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XCHJiR2I2gZi7WvxQvpnqh5/EUnI5LzYzqaWawTIvGfck1leYDSE6MlNonRs8sDcx Qoge0+CKmdW+RwiIO5WrQ0AUx/fctC2lvTtHhQK1JDBBiiJdxlz49qQsTVIl93Zsy+ zqZS7i8EMmudrZR6LXdcLXK7n3+J1ftZHtLC/EtQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d1bcf545d07f95d70 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overhaulin Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Great to hear an "insider" report. And we all thought the ca,r as shown, could just be driven off. Wonder why they never told the viewing audience about the 160 lbs. in the trunk? That is hilarious. In a message dated 11/7/2014 12:00:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, spmdr@juno.com writes: I have started to write down the details of my story of the Overhaulin experience, mostly for my progressively worsening memory. But here is the short story: I was not the first "Tiger Expert" they selected, as it turns out, I was the last, and likely the only one to do it with no strings attached. My first goal was to get the frame straight so headers would fit. When stock manifolds were chosen, the frame dimensions were not a worry. BAD idea! Little did I know they would go with Dale's front end AND it's STOCK mounting dimensions. Hint, Dale's front end does NOT easily bolt to a BENT car! I came on the scene on "day 5" and missed most of the BIG bodywork. I was there on four different days. I didn't see or talk to Chris Jacobs. AJ was not there the first two days I was there. I had VERY little control of what they did, ....more like NONE! My main job, the way I saw it, was to tell them what parts went where. BUT I DO take the blame for suggesting Dale's front end, mostly because they wanted to drastically lower the front of the car and they didn't want to take the time to mod the parts to suit. However, "they" were well aware of Dale's front end before then. And Dale DID get paid for the front end. BUT he did donate parts of which I saw no mention! The final assembly was started on a Friday and completed, mostly, on the following Monday, with very little work done over the weekend. As far as I could tell, the only thing not functioning (for driveability) at the revel was the hydraulics, someone failed to pre-fit the master cylinder reservoirs on the aftermarket setup, they hit the firewall and were unusable. The one thing that did impress me was the lack of management overhead visible while I was there. During the assembly, there was virtually no one telling the individual "A team" members what to do. They all just intuitively DID the jobs that needed to be done. It WAS quite amazing! And as you could expect, there were some undone things at revel time. If you noticed, there were no front turn signal lights ( non-standard, of course) on the car. And the car received a soft top before delivery, not done on revel day. The car did not have a Tiger Torque arm installed at revel, but it DID have 160 lbs of weight in the trunk, under the false floor, to lower the rear as much as they could. About the show, as is usual, they have a LOT of "footage" on the cutting room floor! It was interesting that the day after the showing, TWO versions of the show were on Youtube! I saw both JUST before the better quality one was DELETED! The deleted one was longer, 43: xx minutes, seemed to have a more real time to it and had better sound. The other one is shorter ( speeded up?) and the sound level is lower, so much for all the "better digital" ....stuff! What remains: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6M8KLVCqZc DW ____________________________________________________________ Map Your Flood Risk Find Floodplan Maps, Facts, FAQs, Your Flood Risk Profile and More! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/545cf5c06ccdc75c00e7cst03vuc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 7 11:27:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4642585712 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:27:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413BB25845F7 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:09:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mcc02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcc02.mx.aol.com [172.26.253.80]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B38727003174E; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mla01f.mail.aol.com (core-mla01.mail.aol.com [172.27.37.1]) by mtaomg-mcc02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BA91638000083; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:12:40 -0500 (EST) References: <8D1C8C030132C71-578-A16A@webmail-vd004.sysops.aol.com> To: mwood24020@aol.com, davidandvarley@hotmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net From: mwood24020@aol.com Received: from 198.59.53.10 by webmail-va114.sysops.aol.com (205.188.21.126) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 07 Nov 2014 13:12:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:12:40 -0500 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1415383961; bh=GY+x+X1uaG5EQGvnjB9odeRyxDul/1qOAKChyPkFtfI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L5qfJAZ89DzDcwcWfgdUZZAKhdIVnvDkI+FGZdJx35xmWgIGUoGzAUDm0wcq2qWLT w8Ey7JozRKeADzsdOLYjm5pLn23t8SxZthhY0etCyOFtYnQNoGlIH0kuAPpJrKM8Mx NYGqQYwxX/QLTcQCcIGgqfaEOAE8qKg7GXYTEb7w= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afd50545d0b983bed Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake pads for competition. What is the latest? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net oops...meant to say XP10 front/XP8 rear -----Original Message----- From: mwood24020 To: davidandvarley ; tigers Sent: Fri, Nov 7, 2014 8:37 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake pads for competition. What is the latest? For serious track use, the HP+ won't have enough temp ceiling. If you want to run Hawks, maybe a DTC-50 compound works for you. I'm a big fan of Carbotech's compounds. For the Tiger, XP8 front and XP10 rear (if you have rear discs) makes sense. End of day, brake pad compound choice is one of those kind of personal choices. Lots of compounds should give the temp range you're seeking, but the initial bite, sensitivity to modulation and overall feel will vary -----Original Message----- From: David and Varley Tweddle To: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Nov 7, 2014 8:09 am Subject: [Tigers] Brake pads for competition. What is the latest? Hi Sunbeamers, I'm needing a set of new competition brake pads. I have been using Porterfield competition pads which have been OK (Please note I have the Dale A ventilated rotor and "spaced out" calipers installed). I'm thinking of Hawk HP Plus HB169N.560 at $94.46 from Summit Racing. Cost posted to Australia is $137.74 (USD). I'm wondering if any of you that use your cars for speed events with P16/M16 calipers have experience with anything better than these? Cheers from "Down Under" David Tweddle (alias Tiger_DFT). _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 7 19:44:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08E3258086E for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 19:44:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f49.google.com (mail-pa0-f49.google.com [209.85.220.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EB2258043B for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 19:15:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id lj1so4611163pab.22 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2014 18:18:59 -0800 (PST) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version; bh=0T2vZOJ5A5ioujvh9/TC4hMZK3QHSEAyBj8i06/8XbY=; b=m5tTC+4YM5ITQy+8SDARDkyh5p1quqc8veGDULS0DrI05mn8IauNM5OBEiaUZ0cTb8 BG5GEOplQ206M67V7O/OZ/CJzJjqBFZYPpjeuLejzKUOO2P5HPJwJ3bOeOR8NRtiVt7m YhJRi6TmFcav+kgkoARqzYs6UFL2LPQPeg6PELciSkuWkYRzV0U86YpCkYH3oPYnXqtb oujfF1A7fcj8yiVgvXmlKS99fiNrhNMPMPiAB3Wut5KcOguqjshLo5/gIttnsj/gbHll uH+8sNn6Fk26VzMUcj2s46rNldqBKswZePOnEJ5umzMJGJYEwCG+KN2lz4zxgr1WU5kr QyWg== px9mr16603934pbc.146.1415413139618; Fri, 07 Nov 2014 18:18:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (cpe-76-167-32-241.socal.res.rr.com. [76.167.32.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pg9sm9933025pdb.71.2014.11.07.18.18.57 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 07 Nov 2014 18:18:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jay Laifman Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 18:18:55 -0800 To: Tiger Autox Subject: [Tigers] Overhaulin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just watched the episode. Dan rocks!!! It was great to see him on the show. I am pretty impressed with the work. And what a wild job on cutting off body parts and reassembling. I don't know what a job like that would cost - and figure most "restored" cars out there that needed this type of work didn't get it. It also makes me appreciate my car that much more. The colors are great too, as is that little scoop. It fits nicely. The one thing that stuck out odd to me was how much bigger the front wheel well was cut open. Looks like the owner wasn't wild that the chrome strip didn't go all the way forward anymore. Couldn't tell if they painted the convertible top doors or covered them in black material like the interior. Might look decent if it was material. Not sure though. Finally, I know that my dad would question the huge opening they made under the front bumper. He would say that it would further contribute to air missing the radiator - unless they did a lot of panels behind to channel the air through the radiator (which they didn't seem to do). Hopefully the owner figures that out and helps his cooling system. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 9 10:31:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF172584B6B for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 10:31:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bosmailout04.eigbox.net (bosmailout04.eigbox.net [66.96.190.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E61F2584934 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 10:08:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from bosmailscan02.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.2]) by bosmailout04.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1XnW23-0003vO-Ss for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 12:12:07 -0500 Received: from [10.115.3.32] (helo=bosimpout12) by bosmailscan02.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1XnW23-00037F-QU for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 12:12:07 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp13.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.20.18.13]) by bosimpout12 with id DVC41p0280GvDVm01VC71G; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 12:12:07 -0500 a=UH8/iCWBfdUmbm4Ft4Vi3Q==:117 a=SHyvVz8TQuewofNHp6ZJtQ==:17 a=pq4jwCggAAAA:8 a=QPcu4mC3AAAA:8 a=OPgJcfM40kIA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Or_tTDS8AAAA:8 a=Dy1vyVCu2uyPWvjR508A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=D-9-pw6mbbYA:10 a=LX3yEq08vtwA:10 a=Rvvjb_reuWQA:10 Received: from [67.202.159.250] (port=54215 helo=Mayfco) by bosauthsmtp13.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1XnW20-0006GK-97 for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 12:12:04 -0500 From: "Larry Mayfield" To: "Tiger List" Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 09:11:44 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac/8P9M4qrz7rfQ8TKuU0O2fXPewwA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Bell Housings... and flywheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net So, who has the best aftermarket safety or steel bell housing for a 5 bolt block? Prices? I am cheap, lol... And how about a modern neutral balance flywheel as well? Notice, neutral balance in statement. My little race motor is neutral balanced internally. Just thinking about future operations... larry _________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 9 12:46:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0540A2584726 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 12:46:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm30-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D4C2580782 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 12:30:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm30.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2014 19:34:04 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.233] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2014 19:34:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1048.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2014 19:34:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 23717 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2014 19:34:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1415561644; bh=TBEBLblCBFsY1Vs/umP4zaLJ71p4isT59FaQQuzRo3o=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zctiR2S6SBwGMkP4IBSL1ZV8A/1lxRZs9x/+FLFbTxsZBuGbFGhFn9KI5mLT9Lysc67tYbcYeFH0FBv8NMxHYVBBrflfiXTDCg+YEnFSqwH9pp0jUPC8DPk4USGzDPH0xud+kTVrGou321Uy9g3gv47m7snyFXXgK/4TiIcFPRg= _cpO7YEqmPQJDxanTJWoq9fwW8ShPgBRywu2NxsDjG1_Ikv6Mv1pajPkRWjr Ku7bbXl4IAe3iQhxRYoKZjfLqwXRTrA7cXulPRTeI3MeRwPFIhqotFwmWg3Z 96LtFYIM6SFScEdvqOnxOpFqzPwQfdoBgOmBaE466htvJGafAAvxc6ZpUiG7 StVlQyT_uskxCaN_aycQZUguhexlm182bLIJIRw_ZsfitiKstFxacXRFG2wj 9BTYcHJN10b2UE50nWFXp5tCIoQ1azhpD5ivneGJo9rqZ4YTQ0.05Kyv1x7t P1cXGsHvohN_dSVeOHUFw3uvd3Y790fKbL85yUegL2Hd3rWYyLmCQTBfPw5f LuD7cdQp88huH5rYfaRCV7UH_Z2XcrHip8MEKOce4IH317KsQKg.hKU8bB2N vFG0Ez5VYwVsWr5W3mArYLCgDIr3hSi8rcQikbEpu60Pj16jCpRw8xkpcXWy b2QqKPocgYGNXD7w1P3G.0waJWNwGXJSjTA-- Received: from [173.28.182.158] by web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 11:34:04 PST UXVpY2tUaW1lIGlzIHRoZSBvbmx5IGNvbXBhbnkgbWFraW5nIG5ldyA1IGJvbHQgYmVsbGhvdXNpbmdzLiBPdGhlcndpc2UgY29udGFjdCBUb20gSGFsbCBAIE1vZFRpZ2VyIEVuZ2luZWVyaW5nLgoBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 11:34:04 -0800 From: Roger Nyberg To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] BELLHOUSINGS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net QuickTime is the only company making new 5 bolt bellhousings. Otherwise contact Tom Hall @ ModTiger Engineering. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 9 15:18:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68C8258460B for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 15:18:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD6B2580935 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 14:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo209 ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141109220031.DTNV9740.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo209> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 17:00:31 -0500 Received: from laptop ([68.229.224.237]) by eastrmimpo209 with cox id Da0W1p00D57wa9801a0Xpy; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 17:00:31 -0500 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=FamQNhFiwuICJkB8R6YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=ySsY_gQt37_GE9W_YWkA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=awtiger@cox.net From: "Andy Walker" To: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 16:00:26 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac/8Z8z1eU1y6eT4Q2GcSRze+JFeew== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Need parts manual assistance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hey, guys: Attention all you guys who own a copy of the Tiger Parts Manual.I am in desperate need of a copy of the page that shows the exploded view of the front suspension (hopefully there is such a thing). I think the guy that I bought my car from must have owned an Ace Hardware store or something; I've got some aftermarket hardware and some original hardware but it's been installed on the front suspension in sort of a "willy-nilly" fashion. I need to see the exploded view so I can determine what goes where and what I'm deficient in in terms of hardware.particularly, washers. Thanks very much to anyone who can help me out with this. Andy Walker Edmond, OK _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 9 16:03:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269762584629 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 16:03:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E133A25844D2 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 15:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([208.66.52.31]) by p3plsmtpa11-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id DafU1p0030gPhrC01afUyl; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 15:39:30 -0700 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2014 18:39:24 -0400 From: Chris Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Andy Walker , tigers@autox.team.net References: <000801cffc68$91b54c90$b51fe5b0$@cox.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Need parts manual assistance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It's really hard to find now, but the parts manual is still up on the TigersUnited web site... http://tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp Chris B382000331 On 11/9/2014 6:00 PM, Andy Walker wrote: > Hey, guys: > > > > Attention all you guys who own a copy of the Tiger Parts Manual.I am in > desperate need of a copy of the page that shows the exploded view of the > front suspension (hopefully there is such a thing). I think the guy that I > bought my car from must have owned an Ace Hardware store or something; I've > got some aftermarket hardware and some original hardware but it's been > installed on the front suspension in sort of a "willy-nilly" fashion. I > need to see the exploded view so I can determine what goes where and what > I'm deficient in in terms of hardware.particularly, washers. > > > > Thanks very much to anyone who can help me out with this. > > > > Andy Walker > > Edmond, OK _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 9 17:47:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9C825847B1 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 17:47:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376C52584656 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 17:28:30 -0700 (MST) cv=LEYBnznbHq3FhzR9LVFp1uvv3/Dy5AS/nulXTUPc3gs= c=1 sm=1 a=BGi6d-X4uLYA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=OaeE/iO9IIESsEEgxPvV+A==:17 a=x_Crs1R2AAAA:8 a=BfKpjIwKv5koUqfvb-AA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=N-a8SEFtpMwA:10 a=MZ0SuDWHDkwA:10 a=1MmklXzbxMAA:10 a=INJVFy5-PvMA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.117]) ([184.64.170.19]) by idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2014 17:31:59 -0700 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2014 17:31:21 -0700 From: Theo Smit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: chris@cthompson.net, Andy Walker , tigers@autox.team.net References: <000801cffc68$91b54c90$b51fe5b0$@cox.net> <545FED1C.2040704@cthompson.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Need parts manual assistance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The workshop manual (http://tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmF1.asp) has some exploded diagrams that may also help. Cheers, Theo PS: Nearly got the Tiger stuck in the snow on the driveway today as I was shuffling it between garage bays. Second gear and the limited slip diff got me to the garage mostly lined up with the door opening ;) On 11/9/2014 3:39 PM, Chris Thompson wrote: > It's really hard to find now, but the parts manual is still up on the > TigersUnited web site... > > http://tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp > > Chris > B382000331 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 9 18:31:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B7E2584BA2 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 18:31:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EB62580092 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 18:06:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sAA1Ds6u031478; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 17:14:11 -0800 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d1a6a206) id dm0213.5450538b.9f20e; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 17:09:34 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.145.113]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 01:09:27 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Andy Walker'" , Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 20:09:21 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac/8Z8z1eU1y6eT4Q2GcSRze+JFeewAGqDXQ engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-11-10_01:2014-11-07,2014-11-09,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1411100009 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Need parts manual assistance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Andy The front suspension view is in the Alpine Parts list. http://tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Alpine/alpine_part_list .asp Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andy Walker Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 5:00 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Need parts manual assistance Hey, guys: Attention all you guys who own a copy of the Tiger Parts Manual.I am in desperate need of a copy of the page that shows the exploded view of the front suspension (hopefully there is such a thing). I think the guy that I bought my car from must have owned an Ace Hardware store or something; I've got some aftermarket hardware and some original hardware but it's been installed on the front suspension in sort of a "willy-nilly" fashion. I need to see the exploded view so I can determine what goes where and what I'm deficient in in terms of hardware.particularly, washers. Thanks very much to anyone who can help me out with this. Andy Walker Edmond, OK _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 9 18:32:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A239258482C for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 18:32:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD93C2580092 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 18:16:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo210 ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141110012008.KOTY22504.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo210> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 20:20:08 -0500 Received: from laptop ([68.229.224.237]) by eastrmimpo210 with cox id DdL71p00i57wa9801dL8TV; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 20:20:08 -0500 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=s3uD_Y2NK7fhqT_ushwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=awtiger@cox.net From: "Andy Walker" To: References: <000801cffc68$91b54c90$b51fe5b0$@cox.net> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 19:20:03 -0600 Thread-Index: AQHs/QW9iXfPUVUMjyU4LnILKLPtyJwfDblQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Need parts manual assistance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wow...thanks to all who responded!!!! I now know to look at the Tigers United site and the Alpine parts book. I guess I didn't realize that the Alpine parts book would be what I really needed, as far as parts identification is concerned. As I said earlier, it's the placement of washers and style of washers that I'm mainly concerned about. I actually have a copy of the Alpine parts manual (a leftover from my Alpine vintage racing days) and have been referring to that ever since it was suggested that I do so. Once again, thanks to everyone who responded. If I run across something I just can't figure out, I'll throw it out to everyone!!!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 13 13:13:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435022584AF7 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:13:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txofep01.suddenlink.net (txofep01.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47682580A15 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:13:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from Roscrea ([74.196.108.150]) by txofep01.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.01.08 201-2343-100-153-20121108) with ESMTP id <20141113201653.WUPM13427.txofep01.suddenlink.net@Roscrea> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:16:53 -0600 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "Tiger Autox" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:16:50 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac//fsIZS7SHO5UOQMKWVxOxra3vpA== Content-Language: en-us a=8LaAqv5HAAAA:8 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=Zr7miEi8wWIA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=GdMCAniRAAAA:8 a=FwxyIBQUY5CB2bKeuPMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=5Kwi0t-uJeIA:10 a=Zm-OBHsaNhcA:10 a=zu1Y8IWoIDkA:10 a=T4AX4qSSufEA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=lBaPv_aZ53pqdsaFjA0A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 Subject: [Tigers] Electric A/C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Anybody see this in Hot Rod Mag. PG 126 (0115 issue). This might work on our little cars, with "no room anywhere". Still have to deal with the condenser in front of the very small radiator though. An alternator would be a must of course (16.2 amps). SeanHylandMotorsport.com If anybody has or might try it let the rest of us know. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 13 13:39:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7342584B34 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:39:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0148.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C6F25845B6 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from BY2PR04CA046.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (10.141.249.164) by BL2PR04MB018.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (10.255.228.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.16.15; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 20:42:35 +0000 Received: from BN1BFFO11FD019.protection.gbl (2a01:111:f400:7c10::1:196) by BY2PR04CA046.outlook.office365.com (2a01:111:e400:2c5e::36) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.16.15 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 20:42:34 +0000 Received: from garmin.com (204.77.163.247) by BN1BFFO11FD019.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.58.144.82) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.6.13 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 20:42:33 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.210.2; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:42:54 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.33]) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.181]) with mapi id 14.03.0181.006; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:42:31 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Jerry Mo Christopherson , Tiger Autox Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Electric A/C Thread-Index: Ac//fsIZS7SHO5UOQMKWVxOxra3vpP//9maA Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 20:42:30 +0000 References: <000601cfff7e$c23d4070$46b7c150$@suddenlink.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.1.140326 x-originating-ip: [10.5.143.129] Content-ID: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(438002)(189002)(51704005)(199003)(377424004)(24454002)(36304003)(377454003)(107046002)(50466002)(81156004)(106466001)(23756003)(40036004)(16796002)(95666004)(21086002)(4396001)(110136001)(36756003)(21056001)(46102003)(54356999)(76176999)(15202345003)(99396003)(47776003)(64706001)(20776003)(2656002)(68736004)(86362001)(77096003)(87936001)(84676001)(97736003)(107886001)(62966003)(92726001)(77156002)(83506001)(15975445006)(120916001)(19580405001)(19580395003)(50986999)(44976005)(6806004)(69596002)(7059030); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BL2PR04MB018; H:garmin.com; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoDomainNonexistent; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; Received-SPF: Pass (protection.outlook.com: domain of garmin.com designates 204.77.163.247 as permitted sender) receiver=protection.outlook.com; client-ip=204.77.163.247; helo=garmin.com; Authentication-Results: spf=pass (sender IP is 204.77.163.247) smtp.mailfrom=Theo.Smit@garmin.com; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electric A/C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net 16 amps at 12 volts is really low, for an AC compressor application. I haven9t looked at the ratings on their system but I wonder if that9s going to suffice for a tough cooling problem like the Tiger. I had previously looked at others and they were more in the 1 kW plus range (I.e. At 12V, that would require 80 amps minimum) http://www.electriccarpartscompany.com/12-610VDC-br-3412-10236-BTU-br-DC-Ai r-Conditioner-Compressor-and-Controller-br-Compressor-264-lbs-12kg-Controll er-44-lbs-2kg_p_152.html Theo On 2014-11-13, 1:16 PM, "Jerry Mo Christopherson" wrote: >Anybody see this in Hot Rod Mag. PG 126 (0115 issue). This might work on >our little cars, with "no room anywhere". Still have to deal with the >condenser in front of the very small radiator though. An alternator >would >be a must of course (16.2 amps). > > > >SeanHylandMotorsport.com > > > >If anybody has or might try it let the rest of us know. > > > >Jerry Christopherson > >9473187 >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@garmin.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 13 15:31:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8685C25847A5 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:31:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f173.google.com (unknown [209.85.220.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46E02584444 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:31:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id id10so3844503vcb.18 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:34:26 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YxOZs9pVBc8FyfaU2U/W6nz1YNW7lqoTbMfwV4aeu48=; b=Zd4XxHkRxuBMpCPUtwgxxxa1BHMrpo3YSPs5Sb7tjRop5dWzW/Yq7QgVu7QMPzZGD+ 6qSXV0VCTa744PL+wvtLrlio95UR+7eNCgVUI3i4F/7i76IagwJ79ODGgGEv2y2lAvd2 vU23AMksJO4zeI6wB+kpt89sJquHZV1ZLLbfJIyV/d853NFR1h/Q8jbWD6HC4TZmsEvD 1Gf/N3s+aCHgugtpvI1Q3D0n6jWXThVRdgkcX0eRM2y5GJOGgDN+6l35fQJOKKm7CuLr QgBHHoULHy8DixdVWwUJaGabN4WZSAh0rL3TeNX4R2MlYFmiidqVIDewPoT+U6oSjQix /RFA== db9mr4025422vcb.10.1415918066052; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:34:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.166.81 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:34:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:34:26 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Interesting steering wheel on this Tiger: http://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1966-sunbeam-tiger--c-3423.htm Is that so you can steer while you are sitting on the bonnet?! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 13 16:24:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45222584840 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:24:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9BD2580918 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:23:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.176] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2014 23:27:32 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.232] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2014 23:27:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2014 23:27:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 4085 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Nov 2014 23:27:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1415921251; bh=exoT69p9AvrXGWnt8fGo7Bn/nLtX18/qhqycvSEhQ0w=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BeiiIxOe0LffbKvi6bedVLVk3+xvkO85L0vV1waBBdVwyXRDMMA82kybLsxTkYJLZBgO9tLnicSCnlxYQfuWti3Qx/hdQABa5wUVUZmGuMS6IHLuClfdB1Hsx2si06MSEQGCZWM4hV6cjMto6Gg/lo5dZ3TUPYqFy8uF52TXcyc= 21GaI_C5FMg8hHlrEbXCjHH7gcGYxqRNfUY6b7sp4ZKvCbSqpr_SgH_efsF4 tfPDDC.5Y322K7gZDYLiieT1cQ8b9y_ux1jH9sfZo6UX2feJ.ayoinL.oRpM AR7AlEIJu.Qt1uWjYILw.zeGho0lm8v8uXZpcGWcPCanLe5AryYeocOfCC03 2AdIPZApdNaHoFtpL_ex_ZgE557DfgtwcwuH.zRus0rls95TnNIk2PX7UIMi cY._0uBIS3fMU72TR_AZ8BObtS4QcVmzs6Vgsvjlmtm.Uxm5u2WDYuaC4gRf DJZMnA2Ej7.ppBat_RBjg9xBPlj30QpXzSQGZCi2Z.bm2_BAcjPVPdC2evcJ cZgC1Eai4isqaHWKUz_s3qwhAgU_7aYCGJf7CJjcDgHklWbLEZevd8bnX6GJ c0GdAkUTWFP9jOpxd7trZFv25XTy2hbKGVccHAm0hjbmzARlIROdk5UV1nDg 8aHZ5zbUlIIggvB8pZrBD4Wt07NZpKkuYMVn0NqZ1ef75_nXfs4gvR3wmoIB j13qRkCduRYY168FNR.QnvuHLLO3rKaL7hM8QtJqXP9g7OXYFSgSzBkr5w4E 6uYpztbI6j6QKW9MTrACGz8qEABuD9P3m2MklSffnGDTGdZHSq3wsnVw0W76 EKxNEVCWqSkuqC9baiPjuv2lll87btMJFaJJz8o2gNBJ1SV0iAIx6FYwdnJ3 4EhXtqf9eQYc- Received: from [108.192.98.47] by web181605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:27:31 PST Q2hlY2sgb3V0IHRob3NlIHNoaW4gaGl0dGluZy9ncm91bmQgc2NyYXBpbmcgY2hyb21lIHRpcHMuCkRhdmlkCgoKCj5fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwo.IEZyb206IEpheSBMYWlmbWFuIDxqYXkubGFpZm1hbkBnbWFpbC5jb20.Cj5UbzogVGlnZXIncyBEZW4gPHRpZ2Vyc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldD4gCj5TZW50OiBUaHVyc2RheSwgTm92ZW1iZXIgMTMsIDIwMTQgMjozNCBQTQo.U3ViamVjdDogW1RpZ2Vyc10gVGlnZXIgZm9yIHNhbGUKPiAKPgo.SW50ZXJlc3Rpbmcgc3RlZXJpbmcBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:27:31 -0800 From: D or G at sbc To: Jay Laifman , Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Check out those shin hitting/ground scraping chrome tips. David >________________________________ > From: Jay Laifman >To: Tiger's Den >Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:34 PM >Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale > > >Interesting steering wheel on this Tiger: >http://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1966-sunbeam-tiger--c-3423.htm > >Is that so you can steer while you are sitting on the bonnet?! >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 13 18:01:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36BF12584C91 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:01:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f169.google.com (mail-ig0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D03C2584650 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:00:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ig0-f169.google.com with SMTP id hn18so2307979igb.4 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:04:18 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=a1lKXVf0Qf87vLW2PKl3Rp8W7DpvC8dHt0QHPC07koY=; b=m9146dDwEFbGcbFaA9E0IYW9AYIZy7qmlNvmM4cE4UoLoSmvz6Y5o1HYMzUA7z0wf0 taKQm/WCeReXvWBSKH/dF/b2pz6CBfqxLRAEbh21lat4h9nc4QKgkIKPwHcodg27+Xtj FjG8AJiM96GN3Vx5r8tL7A8Ppfbq2lxR7EbnP117rwr4el5Fk+d6uo7778erDj0k37An JJh+S164L5NQxtGRls0meSathDrctki5GIOyYaAS9Skk2JiETpn2xMENGe0e30CQBgE4 hfelMeUGYS+by0l9b0y/IyvQvQ5pHguIBPDkotSy2xmLPoZg5Nb6Yetz0FDqfLf9/XFt Vgrg== eh5mr2549397igb.31.1415927058872; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:04:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from BubbaPC (adsl-75-10-155-45.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net. [75.10.155.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f17sm13589851iof.3.2014.11.13.17.04.17 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:04:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Mark Rense" To: "'Jay Laifman'" , "'Tiger's Den'" References: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 20:04:19 -0500 Thread-Index: AQGLPeDJDAffEMb8FmCtnQCcEJ3UzJzozgZw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Kinda looks like what your 17 year old kid would do if he got hold of a clapped-out Tiger. Some good parts, some missing parts, a lot of work. Notice the rusted out X-brace, wonder what else lies beneath the paint? Those old Ansen (?) wheels really take me back to the '70's...yuck. -----Original Message----- From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 5:34 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Interesting steering wheel on this Tiger: http://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1966-sunbeam-tiger--c-3423.htm Is that so you can steer while you are sitting on the bonnet?! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 13 18:33:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935D02584C7A for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:33:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f179.google.com (mail-ig0-f179.google.com [209.85.213.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFE92580A18 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:33:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ig0-f179.google.com with SMTP id r10so719080igi.6 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:36:47 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=qP9s3qVVpijCHmhTaFLsQt8spvR9xbtzOYaqeDTHO1w=; b=ZhZJvNLoUHP+ezjir3/3emESX3FobORVwGAOOzuUx5sKtCsxRCm8eyK1Aii3O7q4fv vlataQ5TVjKyqcunWk6vjBG43gyIP1cTgAlSGisPK7Nmd5tTrPlKBAOCMcV6EL1CuxYX Mxz33HxRzgPJo3u36rQQUZAmG4HvY0JCFwlcRZRRIKkwb/qFDufi4LvrXuZVec4Nc/9o DeyZPLeKEX1uz8e8/FuojFfgE+4xDnCIlYyvA5obkwnifSLLLKNfdfh0pJHiwIHpJ2dz NObicTtQoJyr3/SJ94RHGjB+I8bAwliQn7vhiAIDdLgJH6RJKMshITai0Ax+cSoAvPpl 7IrA== d2mr5552663icw.74.1415929007321; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.115.9 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.115.9 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:36:47 -0800 (PST) References: <005001cfffa6$ec8de550$c5a9aff0$@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:36:47 +0800 From: michael king To: Mark Rense Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Car was on eBay ir Craig's list a few months back.... Moved upmarket ... Amazing how many dealers are trying to flip tigers On 14 Nov 2014 09:04, "Mark Rense" wrote: > Kinda looks like what your 17 year old kid would do if he got hold of a > clapped-out Tiger. Some good parts, some missing parts, a lot of work. > Notice the rusted out X-brace, wonder what else lies beneath the paint? > Those old Ansen (?) wheels really take me back to the '70's...yuck. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay > Laifman > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 5:34 PM > To: Tiger's Den > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale > > Interesting steering wheel on this Tiger: > http://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1966-sunbeam-tiger--c-3423.htm > > Is that so you can steer while you are sitting on the bonnet?! > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 13 18:53:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E6D2584C50 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:53:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD4C25809B4 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from user1PC ([71.118.184.19]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NF0008VUAQ6HI80@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:56:33 -0600 (CST) a=vlLUdT8U/STnybzxLaOiHA==:117 a=6jom2F-P7HcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=GdMCAniRAAAA:8 a=IOS6RZ7KzJoga6ymGGMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Zm-OBHsaNhcA:10 From: "Tom Witt" To: References: <000601cfff7e$c23d4070$46b7c150$@suddenlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:56:28 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electric A/C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I don't have access to the what you present. However, years ago Steve Sage had his condenser/fan mounted externally at the rear of his car under the trunk floor. I recall him saying it worked ok. I did see him pull into a CAT meeting and as he crossed the dirt area it did stir up a bit of dust though. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Mo Christopherson Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:16 PM To: Tiger Autox Subject: [Tigers] Electric A/C Anybody see this in Hot Rod Mag. PG 126 (0115 issue). This might work on our little cars, with "no room anywhere". Still have to deal with the condenser in front of the very small radiator though. An alternator would be a must of course (16.2 amps). SeanHylandMotorsport.com If anybody has or might try it let the rest of us know. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 14 06:52:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838F82584DEE for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 06:52:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f54.google.com (mail-pa0-f54.google.com [209.85.220.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D753B2580969 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 06:51:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id hz1so6365943pad.41 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 05:55:20 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=7u2HVvacznPsJjMDZR2Dj8HcZKJeU7nqZpCMtw/vO94=; b=qZkVhZM61LTbrteKf/QdZdzXRfIgbU7Kc4Qe2bGaHMSXnu95a38ucEqG/f4Ln4wXxv EC8zuVGr6+VHe0x3BQsdo9EguEMx3ksMqimCd+BXYG+RKNqN3+6UpffyeuM2whOg+wiX F2jw+AnHSXDAuGnhJ8DzOJN8KM1CnXG8THH73X+TNN0EF4TW6Lq/9HCIIW9liYlctPoW 6RRTRAL9IZQRnkSwN0DOf30Nx944q3Hw9pii6f5FAGZLE/B79hBmS3oQuC8Snnb9mKY3 Nt1cujkpOOe4qxQixcM81Zj37QrsyyaMBjqJ4hYAX46LvARVgoJH4rGS1qVHm0yh8hKE YwvQ== xo3mr9966456pab.131.1415973320056; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 05:55:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.60.135 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 05:55:19 -0800 (PST) References: <005001cfffa6$ec8de550$c5a9aff0$@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 07:55:19 -0600 From: Cullen McCann To: michael king Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I "flipped" a 1929 Rolls Royce carcass a year or so ago to BHCC. Alex is actually very easy to deal with, or was for me. He has a spot on his page where you can offer to sell him your car, he and I haggled a bit and he gave me a reasonable price. Then he transported the car from Oklahoma back to Bev Hills.... then listed it and later sold it. I made money, he made money....everyone wins and he was definitely a man of his word on the agreement. After we agreed on the price I had a certified check in my hand in 24 hours. No complaints. I'd deal with him again in a heartbeat for buying or selling either one. Cullen Yukon, OK B382001452 LROFE TAC 840 B9471784 LRXFE On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 7:36 PM, michael king wrote: > Car was on eBay ir Craig's list a few months back.... Moved upmarket ... > Amazing how many dealers are trying to flip tigers > On 14 Nov 2014 09:04, "Mark Rense" wrote: > > > Kinda looks like what your 17 year old kid would do if he got hold of a > > clapped-out Tiger. Some good parts, some missing parts, a lot of work. > > Notice the rusted out X-brace, wonder what else lies beneath the paint? > > Those old Ansen (?) wheels really take me back to the '70's...yuck. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay > > Laifman > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 5:34 PM > > To: Tiger's Den > > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale > > > > Interesting steering wheel on this Tiger: > > http://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1966-sunbeam-tiger--c-3423.htm > > > > Is that so you can steer while you are sitting on the bonnet?! > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 14 12:53:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32B125844D8 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:53:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from COL004-OMC3S7.hotmail.com (col004-omc3s7.hotmail.com [65.55.34.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708952580782 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:53:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL127-DS2 ([65.55.34.136]) by COL004-OMC3S7.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:57:09 -0800 From: Wayne - MSN To: "'Jay Laifman'" , "'Tiger's Den'" References: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:56:47 -0500 Thread-Index: AQGLPeDJDAffEMb8FmCtnQCcEJ3UzJzqC/JA Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[2CE5DE70:01D00045] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Interesting looking front-end - in addition to the novel front bumper, note the cockeyed sway bar. Good for circular driving? Luckily, its set up for right-hand turns, which will relieve stress on the mostly missing PAX-side rear frame X-member allowing the exhaust to take up the strain and ensure the drive shaft doesn't rub the tub. How much would you pay for a 'thrill drive' in this beastie???? Smiles, Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Jay Laifman [mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 5:34 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Interesting steering wheel on this Tiger: http://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1966-sunbeam-tiger--c-3423.htm Is that so you can steer while you are sitting on the bonnet?! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 14 13:11:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9B42584486 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:11:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txofep02.suddenlink.net (txofep02.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971282584486 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:11:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from Roscrea ([74.196.108.150]) by txofep02.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.01.08 201-2343-100-153-20121108) with ESMTP id <20141114201441.QMGL21350.txofep02.suddenlink.net@Roscrea>; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:14:41 -0600 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "'Wayne - MSN'" , "'Jay Laifman'" , "'Tiger's Den'" References: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:14:33 -0600 Thread-Index: AQGLPeDJDAffEMb8FmCtnQCcEJ3UzAJHz2pjnNfUCDA= Content-Language: en-us a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=8LaAqv5HAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=jRUG05E4AAAA:8 a=Etim5QeSDH2esf41R-0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=A4huzWbAxewA:10 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ya, what a piece of s... However to look at another way..... if this sorry piece of Tiger fetches $26,000 think of how much ones in just "good" shape will get!! Just saying! Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wayne - MSN Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 1:57 PM To: 'Jay Laifman'; 'Tiger's Den' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Interesting looking front-end - in addition to the novel front bumper, note the cockeyed sway bar. Good for circular driving? Luckily, its set up for right-hand turns, which will relieve stress on the mostly missing PAX-side rear frame X-member allowing the exhaust to take up the strain and ensure the drive shaft doesn't rub the tub. How much would you pay for a 'thrill drive' in this beastie???? Smiles, Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Jay Laifman [mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 5:34 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Interesting steering wheel on this Tiger: http://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1966-sunbeam-tiger--c-3423.htm Is that so you can steer while you are sitting on the bonnet?! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 14 13:28:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CAB925849D0 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:28:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f170.google.com (mail-ie0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BDC2584579 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:27:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id tp5so18941574ieb.1 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:31:26 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:reply-to:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance :subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=XCvSic9YssFNx7YWF1KBQ32IQ3YIMFQGJMpNEQYaORk=; b=HE5ZVeDWhRifjHHM/OCKIQOSsG4ubqtUHtG5oLhGXSP510pqsa4AFUAauwpS//1PeU 8Eag5kbzC3tQtatnDqfA8ZJCKYxjvTyYrO6b8uxyqDGxqbdmZEX8r8MWlEg9aeka2Cl5 gCwmiFUi5ORc/zDUMNXNmAyq9dQztSqvNQBWnSwjRaoL0GhjIAnsPCGYTX2szYpQJYfj QvKqwcztGmTxH9e40YtwR6NbzcfQwHdkcis5Nh1ObFHK1eoK0WRU0GD2Sap/quCmyEtg yDzXjJphc6W7rphNK54PsiDJeBoQObsN5fQ5BTXfyzzmneO/hp7ssA2VtJi2nvAwXuKr 6cLw== lv5mr3706624icc.88.1415997086044; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.29.196.188 (bda-74-82-80-128.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 124sm10698903ioe.12.2014.11.14.12.31.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:31:25 -0800 (PST) References: <1415921251.75379.YahooMailNeo@web181605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "D or G at sbc" ,"Tiger's Den" From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 20:31:21 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wheelie bars! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: D or G at sbc Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:27:31 To: Jay Laifman; Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Check out those shin hitting/ground scraping chrome tips. David >________________________________ > From: Jay Laifman >To: Tiger's Den >Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:34 PM >Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale > > >Interesting steering wheel on this Tiger: >http://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1966-sunbeam-tiger--c-3423.htm > >Is that so you can steer while you are sitting on the bonnet?! >_______________________________________________ > >tigers@autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 15 06:45:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BC225845DE for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 06:45:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1002580915 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 06:45:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from ownerHP ([74.103.64.151]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NF30004I2D1A020@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 07:48:38 -0600 (CST) a=DeqixhC7dx9Xf/Nc3p+YtQ==:117 a=z_oZwz61-lMA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=Zr7miEi8wWIA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=36mkMYVFndwz7Exzsn0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=owjn5igJDKoA:10 a=w7qjZAMj7rYA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=GhpTD75YAbfOS1PcQSIA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 08:48:59 -0500 Thread-index: AdAA2inKwIEIx30iS5eBxxKXY5J0Uw== Content-language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] white tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I really liked the radio install, probably done by the same guy as the exhaust , Ha Ha!!! It always amazes me that for two things that are really simple to do correctly are messed up so much, not just in Tigers, but all cars, Clyde _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 15 14:08:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE9B25849EC for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 14:08:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A4B2580313 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 14:08:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141115211143.ITLJ22612.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 16:11:43 -0500 Received: from HMLLC ([68.102.50.93]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id FxBi1p00920eouU01xBic8; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 16:11:43 -0500 a=Vk2N/N7Q17+87UKd/TOu5Q==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Lpx2IhkU_spsyED6p_gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=qayjoxEctNipAIWB:21 a=G-d-kzKrdgKlpCa7:21 a=Vk2N/N7Q17+87UKd/TOu5Q==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=hallmotors@cox.net From: "hallmotors" To: References: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 15:11:35 -0600 Thread-Index: AQIWqdv/oxmBBgtI0VMbUB2Blv8fIQHEFR3km8a2+kA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Follow-up: The LAT-8 valve cover came off pretty easy with little jockeying (rocker was luckily in a good position); that is after removing the following (whew!) - brake booster, PCV hose, generator, generator bracket, plug wires, temperature sending & coil wires to ballast and coke heat tubing from exhaust manifold. Think I'll go back with a flange bolt in back top problem location due to the smaller hex head (3/8" vs 7/16", the 7/16" hex head bolt wasn't even finger tight probably because neither a socket nor closed end wrench would engage it). Ron Fraser - The head casting date is 4F29. Thanks Again! Brad Hall Wichita, KS LRXFE609 -----Original Message----- From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of hallmotors Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 9:44 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal Thanks to all for your advice. Yesterday I was surprised to find that the problem location has a hex head bolt (only location on either bank that's not an allen head). It looks like I can get a wrench on the hex head from the inboard side once the vacuum hose to the brake booster is removed. I'll also need to remove the generator but since the engine is the original I'm confident from your responses that the cover can be maneuvered off. I need to work on another project first, but Ron I'll provide you with the head casting date for the stock Tiger Engine Study once I get the cover off. Thanks Again! Brad Hall Wichita, KS LRXFE609 -----Original Message----- From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of hallmotors Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 10:47 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Valve Cover Removal I have an oil leak from the passenger bank valve cover onto the exhaust manifold (toward the back, say above about at the #3 or #4 cylinder location) and thus need to remove the valve cover to install a new gasket. My Tiger has the original 260 engine with LAT-8 Aluminum finned Tiger Powered by Ford valve covers attached with allen head bolts. I've looked at what I could find in the archives on removing the valve covers but am still looking for advice. I basically have three questions, 1) can this style valve cover be removed without dropping the engine, 2) I'm having problems getting an allen wrench on the top back valve cover bolt and it appears there's no firewall access hole for the passenger bank; any advice here, and 3) once the bolts are out, any advice on how to get the valve cover up, over and off. Thanks guys, Brad Hall Wichita, KS LRXFE609 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/hallmotors@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/hallmotors@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 15 16:41:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD21258468D for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 16:41:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from st11p01mm-asmtp002.mac.com (st11p01mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.172.204.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E229325806BC for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 16:41:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (72-184-76-9.res.bhn.net [72.184.76.9]) by st11p01mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NF300EQRTY5GDA0@st11p01mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 23:44:30 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.13.68,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-11-15_03:2014-11-15,2014-11-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1408290000 definitions=main-1411150217 From: Keep Morse Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 18:44:30 -0500 To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just saw 1965 sell mecum about 90k or so Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 15 21:18:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA9F2584A36 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 21:18:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9964A2580A1C for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 21:17:36 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1416111671; bh=x8YrEBmi+9gC1vPR75Ohfrg3Hjw475mPE7S1DzDfj2U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=lT4LjDzCtvfSsBlRzSJYZVasxSn5lC5I6WZOdGx5ZTA9f3LH0sublQyUh5wW22W5hdXel7d9meUkYcNmJB7lkjkq+cqyGQmLW74EfoZF4hlu83m3zSySrtmhNib5RqQAAw7Xpra5ZTq5e/n9rm0WAM+wPsAMthPNoFi95TgKcaBPCT1Uu8ZN/eAEi51ZyaiITvDkSA8ZuD8XyQwJmoL9R/65I+IrUGYYycZH5fxjf91zF0Dk2H26ccgVWw+3LyiOR1O2up+99c6DOD0w/8rRfyhcWbwnkdHC2QkB7tYxMcCH/JkubFpIw5T3wXssjh56SN8fzrDKiE8vx1Z/BBwtmQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=ZRlnHCLSWR9R4O4uHRebu5LIipsjbNSSMJJzaG4pkI22BV/45ccKtnYhrqvzb2f2e4bbKzF0Vdv1fyUmgfHzBRhrBqjOvkkps5kGG/6JprhAtgjYZv0Cc3pQ/Gn9Kb29SEEokir425yNbuwugHpSjuAvxULGYUp41s9lPl6xGP6zRxqR7xbtMmtlP96bA6yGhKBUxBAZJt+lyiIEhsyESla1YBsEQxVhCHcrbAVTzU21w3uCpG/0mFeZMI0cKOtatCJNjYe2QZMAVeI/SUKjAqaKlgXx0FYJ45GyLqxUPq/oIAgLLgo08KEu8mBd6xyjFvpU/pz4YdbhYqUkAvVsCg==; Received: from [66.196.81.171] by nm29.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2014 04:21:11 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.230] by tm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2014 04:21:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1070.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2014 04:21:11 -0000 ubJg.UMXbuegiWbuVwozhnBzSkpEMmWVh_HQDn93d9HXwHg5f2PZxo.hEU0tXcappWhpUp726xb4 oFvbcqZ6f883uVElSGfQx9RpJa_HMlKG38Z7eCSSHj3GYTyCZqJd9x8Fn9VDySVD_Ddl7m5mgKd7 63MeQd0GnMjeM7t5BFdb_hKRL2F8eOIQBObLBv_QsbqHcVopsq03woXcQNBE6lkDhJSq5xSqZj14 sLa.s6stcUqgnNUHlQqOhypvlflxLWp6J8CpcpMsjweAnfZ2yTnLdC2ZPNbOgL7DGh_b0qgLwWCJ QFq7Qh0OuXc0r.Rhx0FdRk8yJqgykuRgeX30kq41A6Ahxxy9t0Jt.iRYF.mKyKdJsioEtNzJzuHO wUuodM.MEJzWqFX6g7Eag.hCo_ObfQJ_jjwEoZsYwSdzpwelm4seXUzGCGL9wESe_4_5mUWl1nsP egAUa3Yujb3oaWytjeSWIB5dw9A8lz3XweUSkhtleoAYGMtrcL8a4kPGP35RU7QDq7NT93dVn7xt U28PSyyRS74ucqWBlbV99cfiLdo2qptk4Hm1JyuYlwBz1vpE- Received: by 66.196.81.120; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 04:21:10 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 04:21:10 +0000 (UTC) From: J Clark To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net 26.5K? Some insight into BHCC's condition/pricing philosophy: "A lot of potential and an excellent candidate for restoration. For $3,950" Read more: http://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1959-austin-healey-bug-eye--c-3328.htm#ixz z3JBzsollo B ... excellent candidateB ... a lot of potential there ... for floorboards. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 16 15:11:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D208725844F1 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 15:11:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A35D32580405 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 15:11:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [76.179.167.4] ([76.179.167.4:50772] helo=[192.168.1.141]) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 9D/88-27088-7F129645; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 22:15:20 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:15:15 -0500 From: Tod Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net, Keep Morse Subject: [Tigers] Tigers at Mecum Auction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net There were two MkI Tigers (both 1965) that sold on Saturday at the Mecum auction in Anaheim: The first (S144) sold for $93,000 (+fees). Moonstone with the 260 engine with 188 hp (?). The second (S164) reached $80,000 but did not sell. It was stated that the seller was looking for around $100K. In black with a 302 and Tremec 5-speed. Wilwood brakes, power steering (!) and a Dale's front end. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 16 17:15:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1619B2584985 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:15:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FABC2580405 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:14:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com [172.26.253.85]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AFE37703EFB5F; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 19:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mla10g.mail.aol.com (core-mla10.mail.aol.com [172.27.37.10]) by mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 80BAF38000083; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 19:18:13 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 19:18:13 -0500 To: todbrown@roadrunner.com, tigers@autox.team.net, keepracing@mac.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1416183493; bh=8axcMg9LwnofEHLdWcdebeb+gOFoUqEotWm6U/IZk60=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P/6GBO7xnDfPq2reaFgAS/cG+1SrvbIdM5JMDo5Bh2Y3Rwqzq4mfbWRZSRi5FksDX 67fvoqMWVyp6g4M3zZevlZmfB92vOI/lBCFw+HRaVh+Jurgu8n82jC+0aWZbuxnIz9 NE1cPvtDT5xF2l7dlLnhbVZXK11a3PENqDfbj8vE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afd5554693ec54708 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers at Mecum Auction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It's getting to be very common for well done Tigers to sell at auction for $75-100K. Looking at the "cars for sale" sites show similar prices. In a message dated 11/16/2014 5:15:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, todbrown@roadrunner.com writes: There were two MkI Tigers (both 1965) that sold on Saturday at the Mecum auction in Anaheim: The first (S144) sold for $93,000 (+fees). Moonstone with the 260 engine with 188 hp (?). The second (S164) reached $80,000 but did not sell. It was stated that the seller was looking for around $100K. In black with a 302 and Tremec 5-speed. Wilwood brakes, power steering (!) and a Dale's front end. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 19 07:50:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4AB258478F for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 07:50:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 96AA82584709 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 07:50:42 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1416408858; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=To:Date:Subject:Content-Type:From:Message-Id; b=FkmD11vqnUi4HrWsg3Y49OzmL6vs3/kNzwkwK++E6AherTotCiGpi+iVXLoIhVYv1 kqetxXR1k0EovBHlFtcPTzVcx8RLdNfK4/3LbLLRDQV8CVrXzzfDqDZH9U9BA9oSVk GfiwmAa5CaARr7I0bMbN0mvLX/KPH3RJyVBmdLGU= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (mailpop09.vgs.untd.com [10.181.45.29]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLG3MZRA6PNZWJ for (sender ); Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:53:35 -0800 (PST) To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 06:52:06 -0800 From: Subject: [Tigers] Overhaulin Tiger Youtube Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just when you think stuff on the web is there forever, it goes away. The episode of the Tiger being Overhauled on Youtube has been removed. Seems some clips have replaced it. ...and I'll bet it didn't even get to 15 days of fame on the 'tube, Oh well. If anyone sees it pop up, give a shout. DW ____________________________________________________________ Is this the WORST carb ever? This 1 carb is HARMING your metabolism & accelerates AGING (avoid) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/546caef021c82eef1c6est04vuc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 22 22:17:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2AB2584CE2 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 22:17:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93CC258453F for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 22:16:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo305 ([68.230.241.237]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141123052028.JGRU27992.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo305> for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 00:20:28 -0500 Received: from laptop ([68.229.224.237]) by eastrmimpo305 with cox id JtLU1p00757wa9801tLUJq; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 00:20:28 -0500 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zugZpz-OqSWUb4LOaB0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=SwLyKXZAGM5T8g1zl1EA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=awtiger@cox.net From: "Andy Walker" To: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 23:20:25 -0600 Thread-Index: AdAG238NZTx2hWyxQ76MOjtuRgKB5Q== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hey, guys: Well, the restoration of my Mk1A is proceeding slowly but surely. At this point, I'm just basically waiting on paint to dry before I can finish assembling the front suspension, which leads me to tonight's question concerning the steering rack. Mine is in good shape except for the fact that it's a bit dirty and seems to have some leaks from the bolted-on cover plates at the bottom of the steering shaft area, and also at the football-shaped covers that nut onto the front of the rack (one on each side). All I plan to do is to clean the rack and then remove all three of these plates and make and install new gaskets for them. I'm sure that someone out there has maybe tried something like this before and I would just like to know if there are things I should watch out for when performing this task. Am I asking for trouble doing this or is it pretty straightforward? I must admit that, even though I've owned Tigers since 1979, I've never had a steering rack apart on any of them. Therefore, I'm certainly interested in reading what you all have to say. Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 22 22:27:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD412584D0A for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 22:27:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B91C258453F for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 22:27:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from user1PC ([71.118.184.19]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NFH004KZ8NYSG80@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 23:31:12 -0600 (CST) a=vlLUdT8U/STnybzxLaOiHA==:117 a=6jom2F-P7HcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=5y4faFyK3SkA:10 a=zugZpz-OqSWUb4LOaB0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 From: "Tom Witt" To: References: <000501d006dd$306ca530$9145ef90$@cox.net> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:31:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net It has been a LONG time since I had my rack out, but I recall shims being used under plates to set tension. Don't consider me to be an authority on the matter, but I just say what I did in case you get the desire to pull it apart. My recollection was that either the plates had very thin gaskets, or no gaskets at all. I'm guessing thin gaskets though. I vaguely remember finding it hard to find gasket material that thin. Hey, guys: Well, the restoration of my Mk1A is proceeding slowly but surely. At this point, I'm just basically waiting on paint to dry before I can finish assembling the front suspension, which leads me to tonight's question concerning the steering rack. Mine is in good shape except for the fact that it's a bit dirty and seems to have some leaks from the bolted-on cover plates at the bottom of the steering shaft area, and also at the football-shaped covers that nut onto the front of the rack (one on each side). All I plan to do is to clean the rack and then remove all three of these plates and make and install new gaskets for them. I'm sure that someone out there has maybe tried something like this before and I would just like to know if there are things I should watch out for when performing this task. Am I asking for trouble doing this or is it pretty straightforward? I must admit that, even though I've owned Tigers since 1979, I've never had a steering rack apart on any of them. Therefore, I'm certainly interested in reading what you all have to say. Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 23 08:14:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BCC25848CA for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 08:14:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-36.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BDB258097C for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 08:13:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sANFHSZE015848; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 07:17:28 -0800 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d1a6a206) id sj1-dm103.546e2d2d.19f86; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 07:17:26 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.146.181]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 15:17:18 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Andy Walker'" , Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 10:17:13 -0500 Thread-Index: AdAG238NZTx2hWyxQ76MOjtuRgKB5QAVAPEg engine=2.50.10432:5.13.68,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-11-23_02:2014-11-21,2014-11-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1411230128 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Andy As I remember you should not have a problem taking it apart. There is a spring load in there and you should slowly take it apart and keep all the parts organized and in order of removal. There is somewhat of a diagram in the Shop Manual. I'm not sure if there is a better parts diagram or if there are more detailed instructions available. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andy Walker Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 12:20 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack question Hey, guys: Well, the restoration of my Mk1A is proceeding slowly but surely. At this point, I'm just basically waiting on paint to dry before I can finish assembling the front suspension, which leads me to tonight's question concerning the steering rack. Mine is in good shape except for the fact that it's a bit dirty and seems to have some leaks from the bolted-on cover plates at the bottom of the steering shaft area, and also at the football-shaped covers that nut onto the front of the rack (one on each side). All I plan to do is to clean the rack and then remove all three of these plates and make and install new gaskets for them. I'm sure that someone out there has maybe tried something like this before and I would just like to know if there are things I should watch out for when performing this task. Am I asking for trouble doing this or is it pretty straightforward? I must admit that, even though I've owned Tigers since 1979, I've never had a steering rack apart on any of them. Therefore, I'm certainly interested in reading what you all have to say. Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 23 17:28:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212942584D8B for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 17:28:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758EF2580884 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 17:28:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.231]) by resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id KCYQ1p0074zp9eg01CYUPg; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 00:32:28 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:9:5d80:10a8:7198:5533:9d6d:2b28] ([IPv6:2601:9:5d80:10a8:7198:5533:9d6d:2b28]) by resomta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id KCYT1p00C2fAMqh01CYT5Z; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 00:32:28 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 16:32:22 -0800 From: Tom Hall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net, Andy Walker References: <000501d006dd$306ca530$9145ef90$@cox.net> s=q20140121; t=1416789148; bh=vyNm0FatCEE7byN/dsRbgOmh+ci1nQv6Piiv9R4bTXw=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=f3A3TDNvoQlUvrIJXx4ZKRqKlvu97BOWVQ69VI+XTIKxIhrm5cmEZWyCnKUvPWbHS 8uBQh0IS7zDbdbnFQG80bLdtRVtvUKpXvL0ilmLjfN/c6d9QQQ0Wn9YQzW2YKOq3JK cpSHH2S0EIh60BYqpVCZBpp9iKgmAFvo4qpyznqbZUhheCCXrO+gzaL8dUtJ42RlkH SJUT42tc6/sUIesjePBu/sKRS4LjO+NKZcF5mtoAKiXd8Zoo1E+1Eqk+45fNBnmTlf q0EP33YN8N8a6Ee0KMNPvUqm7BdpBK2XgcBtNPpz20iOsOIhTR/55vFEF4uLnRJ6LK YjOPqXXdXaSfw== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/22/2014 9:20 PM, Andy Walker wrote: > Hey, guys: > > Well, the restoration of my Mk1A is proceeding slowly but surely. At this > point, I'm just basically waiting on paint to dry before I can finish > assembling the front suspension, which leads me to tonight's question > concerning the steering rack. Mine is in good shape except for the fact > that it's a bit dirty and seems to have some leaks from the bolted-on cover > plates at the bottom of the steering shaft area, and also at the > football-shaped covers that nut onto the front of the rack (one on each > side). All I plan to do is to clean the rack and then remove all three of > these plates and make and install new gaskets for them. I'm sure that > someone out there has maybe tried something like this before and I would > just like to know if there are things I should watch out for when performing > this task. Am I asking for trouble doing this or is it pretty > straightforward? I must admit that, even though I've owned Tigers since > 1979, I've never had a steering rack apart on any of them. Therefore, I'm > certainly interested in reading what you all have to say. > > Thanks, > > Andy Walker > So you know, there are shims under the rack pinion bushing (the "football" shaped cast iron piece on the bottom of the pinion) and the top cover plate. They are there to set clearances and adjust the tension on the pinion. Actually your likely to find both shims and gaskets. The gaskets can tear when you remove these plates. The other cover plate on the right side is for adding oil and should have only a gasket. The oil will also run out of the rack from the open hole under the pinion unless you position it to prevent this from occuring. Typically I reassemble these pieces with RTV between the dissassembled layers, which essentially squeezes out the unneccessary quantity on re-assembly. I would recommend this as opposed to attempting to replace the gaskets. If you do drain the rack, it only takes a cup of 90 wt gear oil to fill it up. I've done hundreds of rebuilds so let me know if you need any help. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 26 15:42:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61642584F29 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 15:42:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.223]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09B02580601 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 15:41:58 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1417041940; bh=Gk1WkjPwEXhn7FZ4AVwO4K/N/XRiR4xVX2Uc5CqnmS0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=Xwn8ro1zY/OgOJBsBldCtZNupw0Wor1JZg+6T++DoYXKkEXx5EN53NmSQfpANmMGeFJthmlR99iWm6ODRmEdxovwWe7RbPMCK0Oa8af9OjybIx7WbUFfNe4blhMlG3u+lq9scLq8vM31Ib+VaELtw6b9OauujBy/GAf/+M7ozCZ2WkiWv2GEHUb5i2xR5TePdKcYBW7eI+n5nj7qxcBmXvPYyM7dHh3S0hRB43tpSbaU/mjp1rRgA+qf5wwt5P0z+mT5nceqF8JNx32DoH5z09OmugtAZEkCPN5OfBY6Tg44i8ktGgtgS4KY+4JW+vn08OojcsQShU0ZCih9XashHA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=pQ3Td3nvKQ+oJ8v+siygT0Y0vDQcXneKaFD6aXESgTF+dnH9Hvzx8MZhTWHF7BNoyEkkbQWJiRTbUVXLDBnMZk2Gn35I6JKHgLi02/8rx/XSVLnoOI9UgWeurzDh3mRIqoOJnlOSHY9QhjSrlvjr5XtNLRYyclZ3JE8QEyzfMFyXmAuhO9Zde4HEywtXemF6bsxHUYZnTq7pxiG9yXySWa54rtjTmpe0Jhl9P9sytnLf9uofL+U2oj9I9PsQL9n5uNxjyAQ+ktz10apK0vX6XpSm0Qphe1VTzMRcCzSyxrUS4DKYngpfTIHmtSOLVVrqJ4FURaG+deJCgohZ9rGL3A==; Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm36.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2014 22:45:40 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.61] by nm36.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2014 22:42:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.151] by tm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2014 22:42:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.239] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2014 22:42:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1048.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2014 22:42:55 -0000 CJTW4ULU_9L1_fFsMh.Ir8.dWnMcQ6EsmTH66A4fIsKRqe5XISjFS_c2YVW_MGcYNLdyjDNmEHnK 30vEL2gaWahOj3sIv_p1O_VJS_ckHlaT_RyTz0ppCdMhr98zxl2xm.DDW1KVtWeV8UY8vX9UWeL1 B1E86VwuM.Zg.WfvoRn5MEg1kGp3n0ie_oGcUKIU6gVQymJaloIRcQK4qIvKpLtHBg1i1VygaZdS i42njgpr4gHA07mpUrNEgxHtyDQI7Iu8FPH70djjjKb4uL1HY.VpDj0dd5NipNkl7X5HxjkvQYIa qRWcKLSMT46BF5VXywxVMtt2lZvvQ9Bn6tiS07r1Ren5zBoEsaSu_yFQlJ9y.ZeWD3Hfw3hSaMr. mpvKKZrZOJJFXdAD4wkUwKDiKLjuv.p8noCokZseZAOAZbx7Bfjqbecsi2VruYzYzzwPcRvVaTH1 B4O8bNmHZBm5Sab5QDL5QlibL4UHUrIm.0k84dCt8PnWO0HfROlrY_quneVV7yrgQ2yvsbF70y_r fkF0AeZGTvlKe4ZgGylqz6TjBG6dz5EMx96Wb30Tua60__cQ8onSasegGz6ZEC8DzRlV4NkI6CPV YRnPM3olsstRhHzs5bpOcKGVpY6nGF3HuciMX0GVF Received: by 66.196.81.105; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:42:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:42:53 +0000 (UTC) From: snakebit289 To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Proposed meeting in 2017 for 50th Anniversary of end of production Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net " from Lou Lusardi: Following the success of the Monte tour plans are afoot to take a group of Tigers out to California as a Tiger 50 finale to commemorate the end of Tiger production in June 2017. The idea is to ship out cars from the UK/Europe/Australia & New Zealand to Los Angeles. We would combine our visit to link up with the Tigers United event held that time of year. Our route will take in as many iconic locations as possible with an estimated mileage of 1750 in 14 days. Ideally keeping daily distances to manageable amounts and having 2 day stopovers here and there to relax and enjoy a few locations. More info on the STOC forum." This appeared minutes ago on the Facebook Sunbeam Tiger UK group page. 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[76.167.32.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k10sm13788325pdm.3.2014.11.29.18.46.37 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 29 Nov 2014 18:46:38 -0800 (PST) From: Jay Laifman Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 18:46:34 -0800 To: Tiger Autox Subject: [Tigers] Overhauling Again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 30 20:52:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EA82584CF7 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:52:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC3S15.hotmail.com (blu004-omc3s15.hotmail.com [65.55.116.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935902584C41 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:52:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU169-W97 ([65.55.116.72]) by BLU004-OMC3S15.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:56:22 -0800 From: Brent Edinger To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:56:22 -0800 FILETIME=[C58E1C00:01D00D1A] Subject: [Tigers] Tiger blower motor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net After 35 years with no heater I'm in the market for a new heater blower motor, any one have a good source? I see moss has one that looks right and is from a MGA. Brent _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 30 21:15:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2052584CF1 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:15:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7292C2584C73 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:14:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from user1PC ([71.118.184.19]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NFV00BGPYLLZG90@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 22:17:48 -0600 (CST) a=vlLUdT8U/STnybzxLaOiHA==:117 a=6jom2F-P7HcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=5y4faFyK3SkA:10 a=pJTeZVvJAAAA:8 a=i0i9mcOKSpP5lC1YrokA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=qUrBwv1jfkcA:10 From: "Tom Witt" To: References: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:17:43 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger blower motor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Brent, I have the MG Midget motor. Not sure if the MGA is the same. It is shorter than the stock Tiger motor. Be gentle getting the cage off. I wound up using this same Midget motor (running backwards) in my Pinto as the short length cleared the turbo elbow. Heater fan motors are pretty easy to adapt if originality isn't important. Metal plates and electrical stand-offs can be used if you can't locate anything acceptable. I quickly found a picture of the MG fan at a forum discussing heater motor improvement for the MGB http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?1,1532236 . There might be something to glean from it. Don't forget you can always pull up the floor mat and/or remove a firewall plug and get heat too. :-) Tom After 35 years with no heater I'm in the market for a new heater blower motor, any one have a good source? I see moss has one that looks right and is from a MGA. Brent _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 30 21:32:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B63F2584DC4 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:32:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D084D25805FD for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:32:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.107]) by resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id N4bw1p0032Ka2Q5014bwuU; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 04:35:56 +0000 Received: from resmail-po-311v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.177.66]) by resomta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id N4bw1p00G1SLFBW014bwQG; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 04:35:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 04:35:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Tom Witt References: <03825F8FE41D457E92209A996B6C2B78@user1PC> Thread-Topic: Tiger blower motor Thread-Index: Ct6L5ZnnOrHl8h9WHeUjn10NmLPG3A== s=q20140121; t=1417408556; bh=ATcN/UlJMkUSZhaBhjbXwfzN953SAlgNLf8Afo5LL8E=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=caYn62dznc+GZUhht4WxJAWQRmrsMQTJQQbRq/PoBiOprCxgVG+bKunUQqyPRPAJG D6ToNaKNnRy5XmUsLfzwCkXEmbsZ2flw9SbhoCJ/RghkPz4ZtCzP4/l2PgpyvoSSIt XTs/bLdxw2OIBq1nhALGyvwgKv1xT7GBzVcs10GV1DhXt9QPHTwMBCJwXKTCu/K+Ku Lz6CndF1Ap0oO8CS1/8Q8f3EsLsG3zZm99qa+0P9FnVZfwa0XW8tasxXxfNoh0U9xZ zzyTUseUZdwpvnbbXuxj+6MW3GrQ9XTIEh+Zs2qU1SjasVHoR02I8mzTJN1l6+Pxjy 5EXhYTqNjkNrw== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger blower motor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net When I bought my MKI in 1971 it came with a bad motor. The local auto parts store couldn't get a new one even way back then. BUT, they sent mine out and had it re-wound, its worked great ever since. There are still auto electrical shops, I bet they could fix it easier than adapting something... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Witt To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 04:17:43 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger blower motor Brent, I have the MG Midget motor. Not sure if the MGA is the same. It is shorter than the stock Tiger motor. Be gentle getting the cage off. I wound up using this same Midget motor (running backwards) in my Pinto as the short length cleared the turbo elbow. Heater fan motors are pretty easy to adapt if originality isn't important. Metal plates and electrical stand-offs can be used if you can't locate anything acceptable. I quickly found a picture of the MG fan at a forum discussing heater motor improvement for the MGB http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?1,1532236 . There might be something to glean from it. Don't forget you can always pull up the floor mat and/or remove a firewall plug and get heat too. :-) Tom After 35 years with no heater I'm in the market for a new heater blower motor, any one have a good source? I see moss has one that looks right and is from a MGA. Brent _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 30 21:38:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE9F2584E8C for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:38:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com (mail-ie0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D685258074B for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:38:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id tp5so8538576ieb.23 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:41:54 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=qs2smycp1hcNb+xypXUGRN7QmMWkKHwx4OZDQQhpYls=; b=xSTHmlPMe8LjC0xQNypl/8fhzjNm6u3MBzILoq3qlOGm19tIpGl45TASfjsdLArskZ hkPuC9cRHu2VQvbxdlQ/LqHHwq7vBvxYffKX4JKuCgyH6P29KscL404T6apdFKyOB2nS JHQPq//IhAuoH9+O9BevKHPb46YlIUsVqHNHc9KhSCk//5FgDlqLqLSMlaZOBl8dK3gC KcgXkDUxjIRAEevoCO9E1fD1o/HBnBC6b/R1NR6e8qSfk7kmMmSjLkv+J6/uCgPNygqS FhXU4YMfgTZDK2uUs0aW20PboXSwwk2s5m+f5UEOwFxP/AbXVBvPuysiGFjgH2wtpWB3 HxAA== o16mr4100857ioo.26.1417408913915; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:41:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.107.137.221 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:41:53 -0800 (PST) References: <03825F8FE41D457E92209A996B6C2B78@user1PC> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 23:41:53 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: Tom Witt Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger blower motor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net where do you live? can't you just change down a gear? :) I don't remember ever once turning on my (perfectly functional, i think) blower motor! I've never being cold in the tiger despite plenty of trips below freezing. On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Tom Witt wrote: > Brent, > > I have the MG Midget motor. Not sure if the MGA is the same. It is > shorter than the stock Tiger motor. Be gentle getting the cage off. I wound > up using this same Midget motor (running backwards) in my Pinto as the > short length cleared the turbo elbow. Heater fan motors are pretty easy to > adapt if originality isn't important. Metal plates and electrical > stand-offs can be used if you can't locate anything acceptable. > > I quickly found a picture of the MG fan at a forum discussing heater motor > improvement for the MGB http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?1,1532236 . > There might be something to glean from it. Don't forget you can always pull > up the floor mat and/or remove a firewall plug and get heat too. :-) > > Tom > > > > > After 35 years with no heater I'm in the market for a new heater blower > motor, > any one > have a good source? I see moss has one that looks right and is from a MGA. > > Brent > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@ > gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 30 21:53:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3420D2584DE9 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:53:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-37.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77422580873 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:53:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sB14sj4S005234; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:57:15 -0800 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 401892a1) id dm0224.546e2ce9.9393c; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:57:14 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , "'Tom Witt'" Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 23:56:28 -0500 Thread-Index: AdANISY3cDMqT3LJRU6rAOCaaWUREAAALukg engine=2.50.10432:5.13.68,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-12-01_01:2014-11-28,2014-11-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1412010052 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger blower motor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just remove the shifter boot and you will have a constant flow of heat. :) Generally the problem with the blower motor is that the bushings seize to the motor shaft. You can get inside the motor but you need to be a bit careful pulling it apart. Remove the bushings from the shaft, clean them, soak them in oil, clean the motor shaft, assemble the blower motor. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 11:42 PM To: Tom Witt Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger blower motor where do you live? can't you just change down a gear? :) I don't remember ever once turning on my (perfectly functional, i think) blower motor! I've never being cold in the tiger despite plenty of trips below freezing. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net