On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 1:26 PM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] distributor info I'm trying to sort out some of the information about the stock Tiger Distributors. Has anyone run the advance curve on their stock Tiger distributor? What are the numbers? Stock Tiger distributors have ID#s - C4OF-A - has oil port, Z5TF-C and C5AF-M Has anyone pulled apart their stock Tiger distributor or vacuum advance canister? What color is the Primary spring with short end loops and the Secondary spring with the longer end loops. What color is the spring in the vacuum canister. Send picture if you have them. Thanks for your help Ron Fraser ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01D73E6F.87D45310 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’m refining my information = quest.

There looks like some differences between the stock = Ford #s and the Sunbeam Parts List #s plus no information is listed for = the Z5TF-C distributor.

The C4OF-A = was replaced by the C5JF-C but my Z5TF-C has a different cam so = I’m thinking it is a hybrid combination of Ford = parts.

The Tiger distributors are C4OF-A has oil port, Z5TF-C = and C5AF-M are the later updated design.

If you = happen to have or had one of these distributors apart - what color = are the advance springs?

If you have = the original Ford vacuum advance, the one’s that can be = disassembled – what color is the spring and how long is the = Stop part?

Pictures welcome – please indicate the = distributor ID# - C4OF-A, Z5TF-C, C5AF-M

Thanks for = your help

Ron Fraser

From: Tigers = <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron = Fraser
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 1:26 PM
To: = tigers@Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] distributor = info

&= nbsp; I’m trying to sort out some of = the information about the stock Tiger Distributors.

Has anyone = run the advance curve on their stock Tiger distributor?

What are the numbers?

Stock Tiger = distributors have ID#s – C4OF-A – has oil port, Z5TF-C and = C5AF-M

Has anyone pulled apart their stock Tiger distributor = or vacuum advance canister?

What color = is the Primary spring with short end loops and the Secondary spring with = the longer end loops.

What color is = the spring in the vacuum canister.

Send picture = if you have them.

Thanks for = your help

Ron = Fraser

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01D73E6F.87D45310-- --===============5732792830293711616== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5732792830293711616==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 17 06:18:18 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BD9A12A0 for ; Mon, 17 May 2021 06:18:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (unknown [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD35A127F for ; Mon, 17 May 2021 06:17:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.16.0.43/8.16.0.43) with SMTP id 14HCBuCZ009381 for ; Mon, 17 May 2021 05:17:13 -0700 Received: by m0116791.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 620d3956) id m0116791.6062203f.14e879 for ; Mon, 17 May 2021 05:17:12 -0700 From: "Ron Fraser" To: Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 08:17:11 -0400 Thread-Index: AddGjb769LicioV1QdSAWkB4OO4WxQ== Content-Language: en-us definitions=2021-05-17_04:2021-05-17, 2021-05-17 signatures=0 lowpriorityscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=848 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 malwarescore=0 priorityscore=1501 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2104190000 definitions=main-2105170088 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Engine Study Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0915128531878407774== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01D74AF5.0A3AD630" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D74AF5.0A3AD630 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been hands off the Tiger Engine Study for some time now, too long actually - I'll blame Covid. I hope everyone on the List has gotten their shots now so we can move forward. The TE/AE web site has the Tiger engine survey online now - teae.org - but its location is not as obvious as I would like right now. Here is what you do. Go to teae.org Search - type in engine study - enter Tiger Engine Study title will appear - click on that Tiger Engine Study instructions are shown There are 2 options - 1, to print a pdf copy of the survey - this is good for taking the Survey to your Tiger 2, an online log in form of the survey Option 2 - this is the automatic format Type in your name and email Please send the survey form - check YES You will receive an online survey form and link in your email Fill out survey Submit survey and your info will automatically register to the Tiger Engine Survey spreadsheet Receive an email confirming your survey info - this email also gives you the ability to correct or add info and submit. Please, everyone check it out this new approach and input your Tiger Engine information. Spread the word, I would like all Tiger owners to participate. Thanks Ron Fraser ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D74AF5.0A3AD630 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

&= nbsp; I’ve been hands off the Tiger = Engine Study for some time now, too long actually – I’ll = blame Covid.

I hope everyone on the = List has gotten their shots now so we can move forward.

The TE/AE = web site has the Tiger engine survey online now – teae.org = - but its location is not as obvious as I would like right = now.

Here is what you do.

Go to = teae.org

Search – type in engine study = – enter

Tiger Engine Study = title will appear – click on that

Tiger Engine Study instructions are = shown

There are 2 options – 1, to print a pdf copy of = the survey – this is good for taking the Survey to your = Tiger

&nb= sp; 2, an online log in form of the survey

Option = 2 – this is the automatic format

Type in = your name and email

Please send = the survey form – check YES

You will receive an online survey form and link in = your email

Fill out = survey

Submit survey and your info = will automatically register to the Tiger Engine Survey = spreadsheet

Receive an email = confirming your survey info – this email also gives you the = ability to correct or add info and submit.

Please, = everyone check it out this new approach and input your Tiger Engine = information.

Spread the word, I would = like all Tiger owners to participate.

Thanks

Ron = Fraser

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D74AF5.0A3AD630-- --===============0915128531878407774== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0915128531878407774==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 24 06:25:15 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF2BA0950 for ; Mon, 24 May 2021 06:25:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (unknown [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE3BA07C6 for ; Mon, 24 May 2021 06:14:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.16.0.43/8.16.0.43) with SMTP id 14OC8LMt029307 for ; Mon, 24 May 2021 05:14:53 -0700 Received: by m0116791.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 620d3956) id m0116791.6062203f.16932c for ; Mon, 24 May 2021 05:14:52 -0700 From: "Ron Fraser" To: References: <000001d74b16$914c7630$b3e56290$@bluefrog.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 08:14:50 -0400 Thread-Index: AQG1e6AIZhIyg8u5G1asw6CTIN5xoKsx6qng Content-Language: en-us definitions=2021-05-24_07:2021-05-24, 2021-05-24 signatures=0 lowpriorityscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 priorityscore=1501 clxscore=1015 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 impostorscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2104190000 definitions=main-2105240081 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Engine Study Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0559793457554581764== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01D75074.DF7C9070" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D75074.DF7C9070 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So far no one has added their Tiger engine survey info - I was hoping for better. If that statement in not correct, if you have submitted your information into this new format, let me know. This is a new format for the Original Tiger Engine Study - it is a blank spreadsheet right now waiting for your Tiger Engine Survey info. This is also a new format and process for the TE/AE web master and I. If this new format is not working correctly we need to understand why. We also need to know if it is working correctly. We need everyone's help and participation for that to happen. I have entered 3 lines of Tiger Engine info, that is all the information contained in this new Tiger Engine Study spreadsheet. I'm not going to enter all the Original Tiger Engine Study info I have gathered over the years. Some or most of that information may be out of date and in many cases the information is incomplete. You have to understand it took me a few years to expand the data fields of the Tiger Engine Study to answer basic questions about the Tiger engine configurations within the 13 production Tiger engine groups. It took a few more years to add additional data fields to answer other Tiger engine questions asked by Tiger owners. None of the Sunbeam publications cover this subject. I have been asked if this Tiger Engine spreadsheet is available for study. Right now - NO, it is not. Right now there is not enough information within this new format to study. If you have Tiger or Ford engine configuration questions - just ask me. I will do my best to answer. This Original Tiger Engine Study needs every Tiger owners participation. If you previously submitted information to me - please submit your information again through this new automatic format. If you have never submitted your Tiger Engine information - please participate. More information means better understanding of our Marque. There is more to learn about our Original Tiger Engines - let's discover it together. Next Monday is Memorial Day - to all military personnel - Thank You for your service To all Heath Care Workers - Thank You for your service and perseverance Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 8:17 AM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Engine Study I've been hands off the Tiger Engine Study for some time now, too long actually - I'll blame Covid. I hope everyone on the List has gotten their shots now so we can move forward. The TE/AE web site has the Tiger engine survey online now - teae.org - but its location is not as obvious as I would like right now. Here is what you do. Go to teae.org Search - type in engine study - enter Tiger Engine Study title will appear - click on that Tiger Engine Study instructions are shown There are 2 options - 1, to print a pdf copy of the survey - this is good for taking the Survey to your Tiger 2, an online log in form of the survey Option 2 - this is the automatic format Type in your name and email Please send the survey form - check YES You will receive an online survey form and link in your email Fill out survey Submit survey and your info will automatically register to the Tiger Engine Survey spreadsheet Receive an email confirming your survey info - this email also gives you the ability to correct or add info and submit. Please, everyone check it out this new approach and input your Tiger Engine information. Spread the word, I would like all Tiger owners to participate. Thanks Ron Fraser ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D75074.DF7C9070 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

&= nbsp; So far no one has added their Tiger = engine survey info – I was hoping for better. If that = statement in not correct, if you have submitted your information into = this new format, let me know.

This is a new format for the Original Tiger = Engine Study – it is a blank spreadsheet right now waiting for = your Tiger Engine Survey info. This is also a new format = and process for the TE/AE web master and I. If this = new format is not working correctly we need to understand = why. We also need to know if it is working = correctly. We need everyone’s help and participation = for that to happen.

I have entered 3 lines of Tiger Engine info, = that is all the information contained in this new Tiger Engine Study = spreadsheet. I’m not going to enter all the = Original Tiger Engine Study info I have gathered over the = years. Some or most of that information may be out = of date and in many cases the information is incomplete. =

You have to understand it took me a few years = to expand the data fields of the Tiger Engine Study to answer basic = questions about the Tiger engine configurations within the 13 production = Tiger engine groups. It took a few more years to add = additional data fields to answer other Tiger engine questions asked by = Tiger owners. None of the Sunbeam publications cover this = subject.

&= nbsp; I have been asked if this Tiger = Engine spreadsheet is available for study. Right now – = NO, it is not. Right now there is not enough = information within this new format to study. If you have = Tiger or Ford engine configuration questions – just ask = me. I will do my best to answer.

&= nbsp; This Original Tiger Engine Study = needs every Tiger owners participation. If you previously = submitted information to me – please submit your information again = through this new automatic format. If you have never = submitted your Tiger Engine information – please = participate. More information means better understanding of = our Marque.

&= nbsp; There is more to learn about our = Original Tiger Engines – let’s discover it = together.

Next Monday is Memorial Day – to all military = personnel – Thank You for your service

To all Heath = Care Workers – Thank You for your service and perseverance =

Ron Fraser

From: Tigers = <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron = Fraser
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 8:17 AM
To: = tigers@Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Engine = Study

&= nbsp; I’ve been hands off the Tiger = Engine Study for some time now, too long actually – I’ll = blame Covid.

I hope everyone on the = List has gotten their shots now so we can move forward.

The TE/AE = web site has the Tiger engine survey online now – teae.org = - but its location is not as obvious as I would like right = now.

Here is what you do.

Go to = teae.org

Search – type in engine study = – enter

Tiger Engine Study = title will appear – click on that

Tiger Engine Study instructions are = shown

There are 2 options – 1, to print a pdf copy of = the survey – this is good for taking the Survey to your = Tiger

&nb= sp; 2, an online log in form of the survey

Option = 2 – this is the automatic format

Type in = your name and email

Please send = the survey form – check YES

You will receive an online survey form and link in = your email

Fill out = survey

Submit survey and your info = will automatically register to the Tiger Engine Survey = spreadsheet

Receive an email = confirming your survey info – this email also gives you the = ability to correct or add info and submit.

Please, = everyone check it out this new approach and input your Tiger Engine = information.

Spread the word, I would = like all Tiger owners to participate.

Thanks

Ron = Fraser

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Hi,

Having gauges out for years and rewiring car has me = curious about connection to the fuel and tem gauges. Does it matter = which terminal the sender or power is connected to? They seem = unmarked.

Best Regards,

Rick Hyatt

540-257-0864

PO Box = 114

Blacksburg, VA

24063

3D"Atmosphere

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rick@atmospherebuilders.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel and temp guage connections From: Stu via Tigers Cc: Tiger Net Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6753057439496414722== --0000000000006045ab05c35080a0 --0000000000006045aa05c350809f Assuming you have the stock gauges, no, it does not matter. The heaters on the bimetal strips that move the pointers do not care which way the current is flowing. Stu On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 10:14 AM wrote: > Hi, > > Having gauges out for years and rewiring car has me curious about > connection to the fuel and tem gauges. Does it matter which terminal the > sender or power is connected to? They seem unmarked. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Rick Hyatt > > 540-257-0864 > > PO Box 114 > > Blacksburg, VA > > 24063 > > [image: Atmosphere blue logo 2] > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr@gmail.com > > > --0000000000006045aa05c350809f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ass= uming you have the stock gauges, no, it does not matter.=C2=A0 The heaters = on the bimetal strips that move the pointers do not care which way the curr= ent is flowing.

Stu

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 10:14 AM <rick@atmospherebuilders.com> wrote:

Hi,=

Having gauges out for years and rewiring car= has me curious about connection to the fuel and tem gauges. Does it matter= which terminal the sender or power is connected to? They seem unmarked.=

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Best Regards,

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JCMC2006@suddenlink.net at Thu, 27 May 2021 11:56:03 -0500 a=wVkqr1a7hYC14MQ6G6Av8w==:117 a=wVkqr1a7hYC14MQ6G6Av8w==:17 a=5FLXtPjwQuUA:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=o0E2yZYVviF7DlVDbs4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=gScJw4Xs1pCp1o9CvXMA:9 a=ht7hdDhN440RcmHZ:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=6VlIyEUom7LUIeUMNQJH:22 zXPbooODcHtj8pXq/asxwyIv18yRBUrTYiUKVjSlhcOmh9/Vn00Tu+pxNK6q7Ti8nOmy3hmNtvdhqg== Subject: [Tigers] Clutch problems From: Jerry Christopherson via Tigers Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8922234457789792384== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01D752EF.44E10D20" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01D752EF.44E10D20 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So can anybody clear up a clutch problem with the Tigers? The slave cylinder has just so much travel and some of the "performance" clutches require more travel than the stock slave cylinder can give. What if any are some of the "cures" for this problem? I really hate to pull the engine out again to change to a more "moderate" clutch. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC insp #58 ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01D752EF.44E10D20 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So can = anybody clear up a clutch problem with the = Tigers?

The slave = cylinder has just so much travel and some of the = “performance” clutches require more travel than the stock = slave cylinder can give. What if any are some of the = “cures” for this problem? I really hate to pull the = engine out again to change to a more “moderate” = clutch.

Jerry = Christopherson

9473187<= /o:p>

TAC insp #58 =

------=_NextPart_000_0060_01D752EF.44E10D20-- --===============8922234457789792384== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net --===============8922234457789792384==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 27 11:24:38 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1DBA11FB for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 11:24:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [96.114.154.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E72A0F7E for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 11:23:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-19v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.243]) by resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id mHMSlA0HYiCWImJjTlad4O; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:23:43 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1622136223; bh=HazPtj3fYkKIfohnWp5xiaGXK7QOQQw/XYlgkgIepig=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=wZ64iv23Kfmr/dtOlilZaRBKxtj9Z8f7qxrFt95wPsFjoHup8OQdot+VxQZe629V/ GyqEkAZFjViHHC+jZyaK+w9ipNOX/MXvZsbkw+/WFogh5uXa0WM+NVL43h3BwC3ReC ANUZWrH9NFyb1Ti6L9QHoHEsClCNDEdW+3gmjgWswepxLfq9I8lNNYnMSBLmQSGWPx srKGnsbDXdDdT5f2m4+cm4IipUS+oSA+IVIQwOQwcAAGJyUplybHmZ5taYnnqM4UPu f9dtySjC0FuC29zpzIazdN2+Cs7wrehFHlwoDB7L+AdYzotCF65m/45y8oGI374xRE pt4vflIAVsIQA== Received: from [IPv6:2600:380:c03d:7378:bdca:1d55:63f:daf4] ([IPv6:2600:380:c03d:7378:bdca:1d55:63f:daf4]) by resomta-po-19v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id mJjDlShUoE9bxmJjIlVcXQ; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:23:41 +0000 From: Gary Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 10:23:26 -0700 References: <005f01d75319$2db58e80$8920ab80$@suddenlink.net> To: Jerry Christopherson Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch problems Cc: Tiger Autox Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4727153308387796777== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-915D53AF-09F5-423A-AD4D-ECD25FC11561 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have you tried a longer slave pushrod (longer bolt, cut off head) and a return=20 spring? You need to carefully adjust the free play but you will get the max possible=20 stroke. Gary Sent from my iPhone > On May 27, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Jerry Christopherson via Tigers wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > So can anybody clear up a clutch problem with the Tigers? > The slave cylinder has just so much travel and some of the =E2=80=9Cperfor= mance=E2=80=9D clutches require more travel than the stock slave cylinder ca= n give. What if any are some of the =E2=80=9Ccures=E2=80=9D for this proble= m? I really hate to pull the engine out again to change to a more =E2=80=9C= moderate=E2=80=9D clutch. > =20 > Jerry Christopherson > 9473187 > TAC insp #58 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > tigers@autox.team.net >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiv= e >=20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comc= ast.net >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-915D53AF-09F5-423A-AD4D-ECD25FC11561 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have you tried a longer slave pushrod

(= longer bolt, cut off head) and a return

spring? You ne= ed to carefully adjust the

free play but you will get the max poss= ible

stroke.

Gary

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O= n May 27, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Jerry Christopherson via Tigers <tigers@autox= .team.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
So can anybody clear up a clutch problem with the Tigers?=
The slave cylinder ha= s just so much travel and some of the =E2=80=9Cperformance=E2=80=9D clutches= require more travel than the stock slave cylinder can give. What if a= ny are some of the =E2=80=9Ccures=E2=80=9D for this problem? I really h= ate to pull the engine out again to change to a more =E2=80=9Cmoderate=E2=80= =9D clutch.
= ;
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He has different sized push rods available.= =C2=A0 Might=C2=A0 solve your problem. modtiger@comcast.net =C2=A0In a message dated 5/27/2021 12:58:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, tiger= s@autox.team.net writes:=C2=A0 So can anybody clear up a clutch problem with the Tigers? The slave cylinder has just so much travel and some of the =E2=80=9Cperform= ance=E2=80=9D clutches require more travel than the stock slave cylinder ca= n give.=C2=A0 What if any are some of the =E2=80=9Ccures=E2=80=9D for this = problem?=C2=A0 I really hate to pull the engine out again to change to a mo= re =E2=80=9Cmoderate=E2=80=9D clutch. =C2=A0 Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC insp #58=20 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com ------=_Part_488653_1426820177.1622144227416 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Suggest talking with Tom Hall. He has different sized push rods available. Might solve your problem.
modtiger@comcast.net

In a message dated 5/27/2021 12:58:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@autox.team.net writes:

So can anybody clear up a clutch problem with the Tigers?

The slave cylinder has just so much travel and some of the “performance” clutches require more travel than the stock slave cylinder can give. What if any are some of the “cures” for this problem? I really hate to pull the engine out again to change to a more “moderate” clutch.

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

TAC insp #58

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------=_Part_488653_1426820177.1622144227416-- --===============4015773395658077936== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4015773395658077936==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 27 22:03:59 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0B3A1208 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 22:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET Received: from omta03.suddenlink.net (unknown [208.180.40.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CB9A0D11 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 22:03:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Roscrea ([173.218.190.74]) by dalofep03.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.03.22.02 201-2389-100-169-20190213) with ESMTP id <20210528040312.FBKA13316.dalofep03.suddenlink.net@Roscrea> for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 23:03:12 -0500 From: "Jerry Christopherson" To: "Tiger Autox" Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 23:03:12 -0500 Thread-Index: AddTdl5Zi9Nfzez6RxKrJvchCVOzqg== Content-Language: en-us dalofep03.suddenlink.net from [173.218.190.74] using ID JCMC2006@suddenlink.net at Thu, 27 May 2021 23:03:12 -0500 a=wVkqr1a7hYC14MQ6G6Av8w==:117 a=wVkqr1a7hYC14MQ6G6Av8w==:17 a=5FLXtPjwQuUA:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=eMxIOGuK0hJp1cb07mwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=yLN_42Ft1u9iKJ9AOnEA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=6VlIyEUom7LUIeUMNQJH:22 RpciX0AnWrmd8OBvmSz6agj4ONrzniG5NPnpkSp/OW0yGkyFdMEQKlfbaiUCwSxAYEdINDJSSaLCdQ== Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============5129523797929978558== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01D7534C.780C9770" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D7534C.780C9770 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the ideas from all of you. The issue of a longer push rod (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out bearing just so far. Right now I'm touching the bearing (which I don't want of course). Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have improved the issue, I'll try driving the car tomorrow to see if it's livable. I let someone talk me into a RAM clutch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe? Rick from S. S. said people have had good luck with them. I'm now of the feeling if you aren't racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger. The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher. Another issue is how far can one allow the slave piston to travel without coming out of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual). Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing! Thanks again for your responses! Jerry ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D7534C.780C9770 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for = the ideas from all of you. The issue of a longer push rod (which I = have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out = bearing just so far. Right now I’m touching the bearing = (which I don’t want of course). Today I received my order = from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have = improved the issue, I’ll try driving the car tomorrow to see if = it’s livable. I let someone talk me into a RAM clutch, = should have gone with a Centerforce maybe? Rick from S. S. said = people have had good luck with them. I’m now of the = feeling if you aren’t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more = than enough for the Tiger. The idea of a higher volume (larger = dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle = force higher. Another issue is how far can one allow the = slave piston to travel without coming out of the cylinder (mine = does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual). = Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out = another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the = end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!

Thanks again = for your responses! Jerry

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D7534C.780C9770-- --===============5129523797929978558== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5129523797929978558==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 28 06:20:14 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D1EA131D for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 06:20:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (unknown [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48396A1078 for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 06:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.16.0.43/8.16.0.43) with SMTP id 14SCCcEu004267; Fri, 28 May 2021 05:19:18 -0700 Received: by m0116791.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 620d3956) id m0116791.6062203f.17a946; Fri, 28 May 2021 05:19:18 -0700 From: "Ron Fraser" To: "'Jerry Christopherson'" , "'Tiger Autox'" References: <000001d75376$60e29f70$22a7de50$@suddenlink.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 08:19:20 -0400 Thread-Index: AQHYvBuLgtJxFfNOV50apEoKDhMB9Kr1/MNA Content-Language: en-us definitions=2021-05-28_04:2021-05-27, 2021-05-28 signatures=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 priorityscore=1501 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 malwarescore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 clxscore=1011 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2104190000 definitions=main-2105280082 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0332741363320523728== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01D7539A.29986080" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01D7539A.29986080 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerry I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire on the clutch rod - just in case the rod gets into a position it could fall. If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car. I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this should prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car. Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Jerry Christopherson Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM To: Tiger Autox Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue Thanks for the ideas from all of you. The issue of a longer push rod (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out bearing just so far. Right now I'm touching the bearing (which I don't want of course). Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have improved the issue, I'll try driving the car tomorrow to see if it's livable. I let someone talk me into a RAM clutch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe? Rick from S. S. said people have had good luck with them. I'm now of the feeling if you aren't racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger. The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher. Another issue is how far can one allow the slave piston to travel without coming out of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual). Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing! Thanks again for your responses! Jerry ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01D7539A.29986080 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jerry

&= nbsp; I always recommend that everyone = should put safety wire on the clutch rod – just in case the rod = gets into a position it could fall.

If the = clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car.

I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the = clutch fork; this should prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the = car.

Ron Fraser

From: Tigers = <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jerry = Christopherson
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 = AM
To: Tiger Autox = <TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch = issue

Thanks for the = ideas from all of you. The issue of a longer push rod (which I = have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out = bearing just so far. Right now I’m touching the bearing = (which I don’t want of course). Today I received my order = from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have = improved the issue, I’ll try driving the car tomorrow to see if = it’s livable. I let someone talk me into a RAM clutch, = should have gone with a Centerforce maybe? Rick from S. S. said = people have had good luck with them. I’m now of the = feeling if you aren’t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more = than enough for the Tiger. The idea of a higher volume (larger = dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle = force higher. Another issue is how far can one allow the = slave piston to travel without coming out of the cylinder (mine = does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual). = Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out = another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the = end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!

Thanks again = for your responses! Jerry

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And you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing. Gary On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > Jerry > > �� I always recommend that everyone should put safety > wire on the clutch rod � just in case the rod gets into a position it > could fall. > > If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car. > > I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; > this should prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car. > > Ron Fraser > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *Jerry > Christopherson > *Sent:* Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM > *To:* Tiger Autox > *Subject:* [Tigers] Clutch issue > > Thanks for the ideas from all of you.� The issue of a longer push rod > (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the > throw out bearing just so far.� Right now I�m touching the bearing > (which I don�t want of course).� Today I received my order from S.S. > (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have improved the > issue, I�ll try driving the car tomorrow to see if it�s livable. I let > someone talk me into a �RAM clutch, should have gone with a > Centerforce maybe?� Rick from S. S. said people have had good luck > with them. ��I�m now of the feeling if you aren�t racing, a standard > Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger. �The idea of a > higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is that it > will make the peddle force higher.� Another issue is how far can one > allow the slave� piston to travel without coming out of the cylinder > (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual).� > Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out > another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past > the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing! > > Thanks again for your responses!� Jerry > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net > > --------------C26F732B3B86E8871ADAFC62 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the rod to the clutch arm,
and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way for it to fall out.
And you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing.
Gary

On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:

Jerry

�� I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire on the clutch rod � just in case the rod gets into a position it could fall.

�

If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car.

I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this should prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car.

�

Ron Fraser

�

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jerry Christopherson
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue

�

Thanks for the ideas from all of you.� The issue of a longer push rod (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out bearing just so far.� Right now I�m touching the bearing (which I don�t want of course).� Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have improved the issue, I�ll try driving the car tomorrow to see if it�s livable. I let someone talk me into a �RAM clutch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe?� Rick from S. S. said people have had good luck with them. ��I�m now of the feeling if you aren�t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger. �The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher.� Another issue is how far can one allow the slave� piston to travel without coming out of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual).� Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!

Thanks again for your responses!� Jerry
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[2603:8001:b403:34c2:6433:e4f8:35e5:5353]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m5sm4693121pgl.75.2021.05.28.08.00.10 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 28 May 2021 08:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 08:00:09 -0700 To: Ron Fraser References: <000001d75376$60e29f70$22a7de50$@suddenlink.net> <000701d753bb$b0a879e0$11f96da0$@bluefrog.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue From: Jay via Tigers Cc: Tigers Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3491547704662869084== boundary="Apple-Mail=_08309802-EAB2-4AE3-B027-CF3571FE0AD4" --Apple-Mail=_08309802-EAB2-4AE3-B027-CF3571FE0AD4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 On the longer pushrod, =E2=80=9Cyou can only go so far.=E2=80=9D You = can actually go too far on VW and early Porsche clutches. I don=E2=80=99t= know if that is true for Sunbeam clutches. They call it =E2=80=9Cgoing = over center.=E2=80=9D The finger springs/levers that the throwout = bearing pushes on go from peaked to flat. When they are flat, the = clutch is pulled back and the clutch plate can spin. But if you keep = pushing, the fingers/levers actually go concave, and that causes the = clutch to start pushing back in. =20 So if your push rod is too long, and it is causing the fork to already = move the throwout bearing forward up to the clutch, AND there is an over = center concept on the Tiger clutch too, then perhaps that is your issue. On May 28, 2021, at 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: Jerry I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire = on the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a position it = could fall. =20 If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car. I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this = should prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car.=20 =20 Ron Fraser =20 From: Tigers On Behalf Of Jerry = Christopherson Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM To: Tiger Autox Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue =20 Thanks for the ideas from all of you. The issue of a longer push rod = (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw = out bearing just so far. Right now I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing = (which I don=E2=80=99t want of course). Today I received my order from = S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have improved = the issue, I=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99= s livable. I let someone talk me into a RAM clutch, should have gone = with a Centerforce maybe? Rick from S. S. said people have had good = luck with them. I=E2=80=99m now of the feeling if you aren=E2=80=99t = racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger. = The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, = is that it will make the peddle force higher. Another issue is how far = can one allow the slave piston to travel without coming out of the = cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the = manual). Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come = out another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past = the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing! Thanks again for your responses! Jerry _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers = http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_08309802-EAB2-4AE3-B027-CF3571FE0AD4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 On = the longer pushrod, =E2=80=9Cyou can only go so far.=E2=80=9D You = can actually go too far on VW and early Porsche clutches. I = don=E2=80=99t know if that is true for Sunbeam clutches. They call = it =E2=80=9Cgoing over center.=E2=80=9D The finger springs/levers = that the throwout bearing pushes on go from peaked to flat. When = they are flat, the clutch is pulled back and the clutch plate can spin. = But if you keep pushing, the fingers/levers actually go concave, = and that causes the clutch to start pushing back in.

So if your push rod is = too long, and it is causing the fork to already move the throwout = bearing forward up to the clutch, AND there is an over center concept on = the Tiger clutch too, then perhaps that is your issue.

On May 28, 2021, at 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser = <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:

Jerry

&nb= sp; I always recommend that everyone should put = safety wire on the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a = position it could fall.

If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away = car.

I think I = have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this should = prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car.

Ron = Fraser

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf = Of Jerry = Christopherson
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 = AM
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue

Thanks for the ideas from all of you. The = issue of a longer push rod (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can = only go up against the throw out bearing just so far. Right now = I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (which I don=E2=80=99t want of = course). Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the = master and slave) and it seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll = try driving the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let = someone talk me into a RAM clutch, should have gone with a = Centerforce maybe? Rick from S. S. said people have had good luck = with them. I=E2=80=99m now of the feeling if you aren=E2=80=99= t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger. = The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by = Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher. Another issue = is how far can one allow the slave piston to travel without coming = out of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes = in the manual). Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The = piston could come out another .300 ,but that would have the front of the = piston .300 past the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!

Thanks again for your responses! Jerry

= --Apple-Mail=_08309802-EAB2-4AE3-B027-CF3571FE0AD4-- --===============3491547704662869084== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net --===============3491547704662869084==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 28 09:50:35 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB39A1622 for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 09:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (unknown [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F4EA14DE for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 09:49:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.16.0.43/8.16.0.43) with SMTP id 14SFnOEi014797; Fri, 28 May 2021 08:49:36 -0700 Received: by m0116791.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 620d3956) id m0116791.6062203f.17c7d7; Fri, 28 May 2021 08:49:35 -0700 To: "'Gary'" , References: <000001d75376$60e29f70$22a7de50$@suddenlink.net> <000701d753bb$b0a879e0$11f96da0$@bluefrog.com> <03ff351f-da4c-27db-bc95-3f75f68aefa7@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 11:49:37 -0400 Thread-Index: AQHYvBuLgtJxFfNOV50apEoKDhMB9AISMvkBATU5IqCq2/lGoA== Content-Language: en-us definitions=2021-05-28_05:2021-05-27, 2021-05-28 signatures=0 priorityscore=1501 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 bulkscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2104190000 definitions=main-2105280106 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue From: Ron Fraser via Tigers Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============6413507510124256208== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01D753B7.89ECD840" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01D753B7.89ECD840 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you're not going anywhere. Your spring with the stock clip is excellent but what if something unexpected happens. Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens, many things can happen out on the road. Call it safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what the clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed. Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is just there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its needed. Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Gary Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:10 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the rod to the clutch arm, and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way for it to fall out. And you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing. Gary On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: Jerry I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire on the clutch rod - just in case the rod gets into a position it could fall. If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car. I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this should prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car. Ron Fraser On Behalf Of Jerry Christopherson Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue Thanks for the ideas from all of you. The issue of a longer push rod (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out bearing just so far. Right now I'm touching the bearing (which I don't want of course). Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have improved the issue, I'll try driving the car tomorrow to see if it's livable. I let someone talk me into a RAM clutch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe? Rick from S. S. said people have had good luck with them. I'm now of the feeling if you aren't racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger. The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher. Another issue is how far can one allow the slave piston to travel without coming out of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual). Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing! Thanks again for your responses! Jerry _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01D753B7.89ECD840 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Gary

&= nbsp; My point here is that if you drop = the clutch rod you’re not going anywhere.

Your spring = with the stock clip is excellent but what if something unexpected = happens.

Rust happens, road debris = happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens, many things can happen = out on the road.

Call it = safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what the = clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed.

Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should = not rust and it is just there with no tension or flexing, its just along = for the ride until its needed.

Ron = Fraser

From: Tigers = <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of = Gary
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:10 AM
To: = tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch = issue

I've never heard of safety wire but if = you have the stock clip to hold the rod to the clutch arm,
and you = add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way for it = to fall out.
And you will get max stroke and save the throwout = bearing.
Gary

On = 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:

Jerry
&= nbsp; I always recommend that everyone = should put safety wire on the clutch rod – just in case the rod = gets into a position it could fall.

If the = clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car.
I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the = clutch fork; this should prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the = car.

Ron Fraser

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.te= am.net> On Behalf Of Jerry Christopherson
Sent: = Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET>Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue

Thanks for the = ideas from all of you. The issue of a longer push rod (which I = have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out = bearing just so far. Right now I’m touching the bearing = (which I don’t want of course). Today I received my order = from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have = improved the issue, I’ll try driving the car tomorrow to see if = it’s livable. I let someone talk me into a RAM clutch, = should have gone with a Centerforce maybe? Rick from S. S. said = people have had good luck with them. I’m now of the = feeling if you aren’t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more = than enough for the Tiger. The idea of a higher volume (larger = dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle = force higher. Another issue is how far can one allow the = slave piston to travel without coming out of the cylinder (mine = does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual). = Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out = another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the = end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!
Thanks again = for your responses! Jerry
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Fri, 28 May 2021 16:50:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 16:50:16 +0000 (UTC) To: "tigers@autox.team.net" , "garywinblad@comcast.net" References: <000001d75376$60e29f70$22a7de50$@suddenlink.net> <000701d753bb$b0a879e0$11f96da0$@bluefrog.com> <03ff351f-da4c-27db-bc95-3f75f68aefa7@comcast.net> <002301d753d9$10fcf1a0$32f6d4e0$@bluefrog.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue From: Michael Wood via Tigers Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6047376497321636481== boundary="----=_Part_671246_1330113000.1622220616553" ------=_Part_671246_1330113000.1622220616553 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This whole discussion is part of the reason why I went to an annular throwo= ut bearing on my car a number of years ago. The other reason was I just did= n't like the affect all the external slave/arm geometry creates. I've been = very happy with the change.=C2=A0 -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser via Tigers To: 'Gary' ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue #yiv4255645540 #yiv4255645540 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv= 4255645540 #yiv4255645540 p.yiv4255645540MsoNormal, #yiv4255645540 li.yiv42= 55645540MsoNormal, #yiv4255645540 div.yiv4255645540MsoNormal {margin:0in;ma= rgin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv4255645540= a:link, #yiv4255645540 span.yiv4255645540MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-dec= oration:underline;}#yiv4255645540 pre {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;fon= t-size:10.0pt;}#yiv4255645540 span.yiv4255645540HTMLPreformattedChar {font-= family:Consolas;}#yiv4255645540 span.yiv4255645540EmailStyle21 {font-family= :sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv4255645540 .yiv4255645540MsoChpDefault {f= ont-size:10.0pt;} _filtered {}#yiv4255645540 div.yiv4255645540WordSection1 = {}#yiv4255645540=20 Gary =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80= =99re not going anywhere. =C2=A0 Your spring with the stock clip is excellent but what if something unexpect= ed happens. Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens, m= any things can happen out on the road. =C2=A0 Call it safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what the= clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed. Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is just= there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its ne= eded. =C2=A0 Ron Fraser =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: Tigers On Behalf Of Gary Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:10 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue =C2=A0 I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the = rod to the clutch arm, and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way fo= r it to fall out. And you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing. Gary On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: Jerry =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire on = the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a position it could= fall. =C2=A0 If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car. I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this sho= uld prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car.=20 =C2=A0 Ron Fraser =C2=A0 From: Tigers On Behalf Of Jerry Christopher= son Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM To: Tiger Autox Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue =C2=A0 Thanks for the ideas from all of you.=C2=A0 The issue of a longer push rod = (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out= bearing just so far.=C2=A0 Right now I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (whi= ch I don=E2=80=99t want of course).=C2=A0 Today I received my order from S.= S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have improved the is= sue, I=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livab= le. I let someone talk me into a =C2=A0RAM clutch, should have gone with a = Centerforce maybe?=C2=A0 Rick from S. S. said people have had good luck wit= h them. =C2=A0=C2=A0I=E2=80=99m now of the feeling if you aren=E2=80=99t ra= cing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger. =C2=A0Th= e idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is t= hat it will make the peddle force higher.=C2=A0 Another issue is how far ca= n one allow the slave=C2=A0 piston to travel without coming out of the cyli= nder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual).= =C2=A0 Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out a= nother .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the end = of the cylinder, probably not a good thing! Thanks again for your responses!=C2=A0 Jerry _______________________________________________ =C2=A0tigers@autox.team.net= =C2=A0Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/= pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive =C2=A0Unsubscribe: http://au= tox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.co= m ------=_Part_671246_1330113000.1622220616553 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This whole discussion is part of the reason why I went to an = annular throwout bearing on my car a number of years ago. The other reason = was I just didn't like the affect all the external slave/arm geometry creat= es. I've been very happy with the change.

-----Original Me= ssage-----
From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
= To: 'Gary' <garywinblad@comcast.net>; tigers@autox.team.net
Sent: = Fri, May 28, 2021 8:50 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue

Gary

&= nbsp; &nbs= p; My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80= =99re not going anywhere.

Your spring with the stock clip is exc= ellent but what if something unexpected happens.

Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degra= de happens, many things can happen out on the road.

Call it safe= ty wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what the clutch rod = is not lost and I have to be towed.

= Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is just= there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its ne= eded.

Ron Fraser

<= /p>

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net= > On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Friday, May 28= , 2021 10:10 AM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue

I've never heard of safety wire but if you = have the stock clip to hold the rod to the clutch arm,
an= d you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way for = it to fall out.
And you will get max stroke and save the = throwout bearing.
Gary

On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron F= raser wrote:

Jerry
&n= bsp; I always recommend that everyone should put sa= fety wire on the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a posi= tion it could fall.

If the clutch rod falls out your basically a = tow it away car.
I think I have a sa= fety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this should prevent the rod= from ever totally leaving the car.

Ron Fraser

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.te= am.net> On Behalf Of Jerry Christopherson
<= b>Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM
To: Tige= r Autox <TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue

Thanks for the ideas from all of you. Th= e issue of a longer push rod (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can onl= y go up against the throw out bearing just so far. Right now I=E2=80= =99m touching the bearing (which I don=E2=80=99t want of course). Tod= ay I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it= seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tomorro= w to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let someone talk me into a RAM cl= utch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe? Rick from S. S. said= people have had good luck with them. I=E2=80=99m now of the fe= eling if you aren=E2=80=99t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than = enough for the Tiger. The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) maste= r also suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher.&nbs= p; Another issue is how far can one allow the slave piston to travel = without coming out of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip l= ike it shoes in the manual). Mine has a max movement of around 1.350,= The piston could come out another .300 ,but that would have the front of t= he piston .300 past the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!
Thanks again for your responses! Jerry
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They come rated for the amount of power your engine produces. My first one was installed on my stock 289 Block, but later on I got carried away and had it rebuilt into a 331 cu in 318hp unit. It now exceeded the rating of my first Centerforce unit, so I replaced it with one rated for 400hp. Both worked flawlessly, and the pedal pressure is light enough to be comfortable for my 130# wife to use without complaint. Excellent units! Dave in Nova Scotia B382000450LRXFE 1965 Tiger On Fri, May 28, 2021, 12:50 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers, wrote: > Gary > > My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2= =80=99re > not going anywhere. > > > > Your spring with the stock clip is excellent but what if something > unexpected happens. > > Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens, > many things can happen out on the road. > > > > Call it safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what > the clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed. > > Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is > just there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until > its needed. > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *Gary > *Sent:* Friday, May 28, 2021 10:10 AM > *To:* tigers@autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue > > > > I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold th= e > rod to the clutch arm, > and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way > for it to fall out. > And you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing. > Gary > > On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > Jerry > > I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire o= n > the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a position it cou= ld fall. > > > > If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car. > > I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this > should prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car. > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > *From:* Tigers > *On Behalf Of *Jerry Christopherson > *Sent:* Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM > *To:* Tiger Autox > *Subject:* [Tigers] Clutch issue > > > > Thanks for the ideas from all of you. The issue of a longer push rod > (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw o= ut > bearing just so far. Right now I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (which I= don=E2=80=99t > want of course). Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the > master and slave) and it seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll t= ry driving > the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let someone talk me in= to a RAM > clutch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe? Rick from S. S. said > people have had good luck with them. I=E2=80=99m now of the feeling if = you aren=E2=80=99t > racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger. The > idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is > that it will make the peddle force higher. Another issue is how far can > one allow the slave piston to travel without coming out of the cylinder > (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual). Min= e > has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out another .30= 0 > ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the end of the > cylinder, probably not a good thing! > > Thanks again for your responses! Jerry > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archi= ve > > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@com= cast.net > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca > > > --0000000000002262a405c366c023 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Re: the Centerforce Clutch:=C2=A0

I have had two of them and highly approve of and reco= mmend them.=C2=A0

They come rated for the amount of = power your engine produces.=C2=A0

My first one was install= ed on my stock 289 Block, but later on I got carried away and had it rebuil= t into a 331 cu in 318hp unit.=C2=A0

It now exceeded= the rating of my first Centerforce unit, so I replaced it with one rated f= or 400hp.

Both worked flawlessly,=C2=A0 and the peda= l pressure is light enough to be comfortable for my 130# wife to use withou= t complaint.

Excellent u= nits!

Dave in Nova Scoti= a

B382000450LRXFE=C2=A0 1965 Tiger

On Fri, May 28, 2021, 12:50 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers,= <tigers@autox.team.net>= wrote:

Gary
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80=99re not = going anywhere.
=C2=A0
Your spring with the stock clip is excellent bu= t what if something unexpected happens.
Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happe= ns, many things can happen out on the road.
=C2=A0
Call it safety wire= or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what the clutch rod is not = lost and I have to be towed.
Safety= wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is just there= with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its needed.<= u>
=C2=A0
Ron Fraser
=C2= =A0
=C2=A0
=
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@au= tox.team.net> On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Friday, May 2= 8, 2021 10:10 AM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject:<= /b> Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue
=C2=A0
I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock cli= p to hold the rod to the clutch arm,
and you add a return spring to the = clutch arm, there isn't much of a way for it to fall out.
And you wi= ll get max stroke and save the throwout bearing.
Gary

<= /u>
On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:<= u>
Jerry
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire = on the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a position it co= uld fall.
=C2=A0
<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it a= way car.
I think I have a safety wi= re on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this should prevent the rod from e= ver totally leaving the car.
=C2= =A0
Ron Fraser
=C2=A0
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net><= /a> On Behalf Of Jerry Christopherson
Sent: Friday, May 28= , 2021 12:03 AM
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET><= /a>
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue
<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0
Thanks = for the ideas from all of you.=C2=A0 The issue of a longer push rod (which = I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out bearin= g just so far.=C2=A0 Right now I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (which I do= n=E2=80=99t want of course).=C2=A0 Today I received my order from S.S. (new= kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have improved the issue, I= =E2=80=99ll try driving the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I = let someone talk me into a =C2=A0RAM clutch, should have gone with a Center= force maybe?=C2=A0 Rick from S. S. said people have had good luck with them= . =C2=A0=C2=A0I=E2=80=99m now of the feeling if you aren=E2=80=99t racing, = a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger.=C2=A0 The idea= of a higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is that it= will make the peddle force higher.=C2=A0 Another issue is how far can one = allow the slave=C2=A0 piston to travel without coming out of the cylinder (= mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual).=C2=A0 M= ine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out another .= 300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the end of the c= ylinder, probably not a good thing!
Thanks again for your responses!=C2=A0 Jerry

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--0000000000002262a405c366c023-- --===============4383431356434596143== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4383431356434596143==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 28 13:55:37 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77246A157C for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 13:55:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29C1A1266 for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 13:55:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-20v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.116]) by resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id mgGulLDwaIdOQmiZglUHbU; Fri, 28 May 2021 19:55:16 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1622231716; bh=j8UzJd+hkRLVyVINrfCIN1XOy4O4RTIFl/qG/n63SZ4=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=AMp+mvZ5EbUtMD3UFDM6UYvdaFw7wMaxM3ymrrmUo5ooPpA4QwYO6ILzswq2JIGaY kshkM8F8UN+kf+JWBv0qy+nOhMzYnd5uhUhORKBPueKGiWyyaMkYgWnWdevZO2qwtA 7lD3J5M6wd5oDaUxkrAhFKtHRO18yP3Cz+olsF04z8sESrpwG0CilswYfIRtxwNgOM vNLpqqGPysQegQBn6m8EEZxzmpqX0TdBVwagx+pEWMDx0YOHh+knYRIOqBq8EE1FKd yGF/Q7WbAENuxNHe1hLi3ICRD0+Ybj/DpbpsN3nKbdRLbwnis95juj3W6vWBrZXtxN UZ62faqUTSHAw== Received: from [IPv6:2601:204:4001:9380:14fc:3fec:ca76:4cf5] ([IPv6:2601:204:4001:9380:14fc:3fec:ca76:4cf5]) by resomta-ch2-20v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id miZSlFHshnYgZmiZWlB3a0; Fri, 28 May 2021 19:55:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 12:55:02 -0700 References: <002301d753d9$10fcf1a0$32f6d4e0$@bluefrog.com> To: Ron Fraser Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue From: Gary via Tigers Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3466406291922297883== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-49BD62C7-6D45-4463-BDCB-6ACE4DDE27D8 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ron, Yeah, a little extra protection can=E2=80=99t hurt. I don=E2=80=99t really see the need but then I never=20 expected my whole clutch arm to fall out either but that DID happen. Gary Sent from my iPhone > On May 28, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Gary > My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80= =99re not going anywhere. > =20 > Your spring with the stock clip is excellent but what if something unexpec= ted happens. > Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens, m= any things can happen out on the road. > =20 > Call it safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what th= e clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed. > Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is jus= t there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its ne= eded. > =20 > Ron Fraser > =20 > =20 > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Gary > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:10 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue > =20 > I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the= rod to the clutch arm, > and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way f= or it to fall out. > And you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing. > Gary >=20 >=20 > On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Jerry > I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire on= the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a position it could= fall. > =20 > If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car. > I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this sh= ould prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car. > =20 > Ron Fraser > =20 > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Jerry Christophe= rson > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM > To: Tiger Autox > Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue > =20 > Thanks for the ideas from all of you. The issue of a longer push rod (whi= ch I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out bear= ing just so far. Right now I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (which I don=E2= =80=99t want of course). Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for t= he master and slave) and it seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll t= ry driving the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let someone ta= lk me into a RAM clutch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe? Rick f= rom S. S. said people have had good luck with them. I=E2=80=99m now of the= feeling if you aren=E2=80=99t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more tha= n enough for the Tiger. The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master al= so suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher. Another= issue is how far can one allow the slave piston to travel without coming o= ut of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in t= he manual). Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come o= ut another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the e= nd of the cylinder, probably not a good thing! > Thanks again for your responses! Jerry >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > =20 > tigers@autox.team.net > =20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiv= e > =20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comc= ast.net > =20 > =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-49BD62C7-6D45-4463-BDCB-6ACE4DDE27D8 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ron,
Yeah, a little extra protection ca= n=E2=80=99t hurt.
I don=E2=80=99t really see the need but then I n= ever
expected my whole clutch arm to fall out
eith= er but that DID happen.
Gary

Se= nt from my iPhone

On May= 28, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:
=EF=BB=BF
Gary
    &= nbsp;           My point h= ere is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80=99re not going anywhere.

Your spring with the stock clip is excellent but what if something unexpe= cted happens.
Rust happens, road debris= happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens, many things can happen out o= n the road.

Call it safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not= matter what the clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed.
Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should= not rust and it is just there with no tension or flexing, its just along fo= r the ride until its needed.
= ;
Ron Fraser

=
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.= team.net> On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1= 0:10 AM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] C= lutch issue

I've never heard= of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the rod to the clutch= arm,
and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a= way for it to fall out.
And you will get max stroke and save the throwou= t bearing.
Gary

On 5/28= /2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:
Jerry<= /p>
        &n= bsp;       I always recommend that everyone sh= ould put safety wire on the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets i= nto a position it could fall.

If the clutch rod falls out your basicall= y a tow it away car.
I think I have a s= afety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this should prevent the rod= from ever totally leaving the car.
&n= bsp;
Ron Fraser

From:= Tigers <tigers-boun= ces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jerry Christopherson
Se= nt: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Subject= : [Tigers] Clutch issue

Thanks for the ideas from all of y= ou. The issue of a longer push rod (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that y= ou can only go up against the throw out bearing just so far. Right now= I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (which I don=E2=80=99t want of course).&nb= sp; Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) a= nd it seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tom= orrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let someone talk me into a RAM= clutch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe? Rick from S. S. sa= id people have had good luck with them.   I=E2=80=99m now of the f= eeling if you aren=E2=80=99t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than e= nough for the Tiger. The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master a= lso suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher. A= nother issue is how far can one allow the slave piston to travel witho= ut coming out of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it= shoes in the manual). Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The pi= ston could come out another .300 ,but that would have the front of the pisto= n .300 past the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!<= /o:p>
Thanks again for your responses! Jerry

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<= /o:p>
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= --Apple-Mail-49BD62C7-6D45-4463-BDCB-6ACE4DDE27D8-- --===============3466406291922297883== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net --===============3466406291922297883==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 28 14:02:36 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB4FA161C for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 14:02:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0BCA15A2 for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 14:01:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.114]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id mgvLlOuyNp8dBmifslcoYU; Fri, 28 May 2021 20:01:40 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1622232100; bh=3eN7VckHkZNAQyXkySkwZmkfS1EnFEyb6/6gdVVQLTk=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=lePZ+mLrg0Il6TXJrkRU9SWLtdZTdrXOhAVB2rD/rJR13HLmSynugWECglHb53agy CwnmgfcrwZ7F9YfACau0vO+Xoue2uztLxNgFo7bSZ4oDmlg3vm+iYXTQmPhr0nf618 BTRPus66MOXeg+jDZN5N3f6MWHFZxfhTv10BYqHVcDAAq7DuX8rpqcjZbzHEcNMvWk RgJ7UP1wHVSYQ1qCoIGQ7bx2DuVLy6xe/oEiE40TlGHxZM3uTIh8V7S2908LlpA+6J zS+1LlcymdU32DDlGO3diq+PYveoFoPuZ0F5RPUVYBz3uEzGs+2qNV3R+7hS5eYqWH u5CZAMyGv06Vw== Received: from [IPv6:2601:204:4001:9380:14fc:3fec:ca76:4cf5] ([IPv6:2601:204:4001:9380:14fc:3fec:ca76:4cf5]) by resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id mifqlyw19DeB2mifrlm2yv; Fri, 28 May 2021 20:01:40 +0000 From: Gary Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 13:01:38 -0700 References: <1739505421.671247.1622220616555@mail.yahoo.com> To: Michael Wood Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3072351064606350527== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-C0BC6873-59F8-49B8-BA4A-0D51F1BFFDEA charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, Which one did you go with? Paul R. told me Tom doesn=E2=80=99t recommend them anymore? It seems like a great solution to me. Everyone always points out how hard it is to replace it when it goes bad but it would be a lot easier than the one in my C5 and I did have to do that but it lasted 120K. Gary Sent from my iPhone > On May 28, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Michael Wood wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > This whole discussion is part of the reason why I went to an annular throw= out bearing on my car a number of years ago. The other reason was I just did= n't like the affect all the external slave/arm geometry creates. I've been v= ery happy with the change.=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Fraser via Tigers > To: 'Gary' ; tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:50 am > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue >=20 > Gary >=20 > My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80= =99re not going anywhere. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Your spring with the stock clip is excellent but what if something unexpec= ted happens. >=20 > Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens, m= any things can happen out on the road. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Call it safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what th= e clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed. >=20 > Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is jus= t there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its ne= eded. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Ron Fraser >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Gary > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:10 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue >=20 > =20 >=20 > I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the= rod to the clutch arm, > and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way f= or it to fall out. > And you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing. > Gary >=20 >=20 > On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: >=20 > Jerry >=20 > I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire on= the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a position it could= fall. >=20 > =20 >=20 > If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car. >=20 > I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this sh= ould prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Ron Fraser >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Jerry Christophe= rson > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM > To: Tiger Autox > Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thanks for the ideas from all of you. The issue of a longer push rod (whi= ch I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out bear= ing just so far. Right now I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (which I don=E2= =80=99t want of course). Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for t= he master and slave) and it seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll t= ry driving the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let someone ta= lk me into a RAM clutch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe? Rick f= rom S. S. said people have had good luck with them. I=E2=80=99m now of the= feeling if you aren=E2=80=99t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more tha= n enough for the Tiger. The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master al= so suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher. Another= issue is how far can one allow the slave piston to travel without coming o= ut of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in t= he manual). Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come o= ut another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the e= nd of the cylinder, probably not a good thing! >=20 > Thanks again for your responses! Jerry >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > =20 > tigers@autox.team.net > =20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiv= e > =20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comc= ast.net > =20 > =20 > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > tigers@autox.team.net >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiv= e >=20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.c= om >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-C0BC6873-59F8-49B8-BA4A-0D51F1BFFDEA charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike,
Which one did you go with?
<= div>Paul R. told me Tom doesn=E2=80=99t recommend them anymore?

It= seems like a great solution to me.

Everyone always po= ints out how hard it is

to replace it when it goes bad but it woul= d

be a lot easier than the one in my C5 and I

did h= ave to do that but it lasted 120K.

Gary

<= br>
Sent from my iPhone

On May 28, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol= .com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
This whole discussion is part of the reason wh= y I went to an annular throwout bearing on my car a number of years ago. The= other reason was I just didn't like the affect all the external slave/arm g= eometry creates. I've been very happy with the change.

----= -Original Message-----
From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.= net>
To: 'Gary' <garywinblad@comcast.net>; tigers@autox.team.net=
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:50 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue
Gary
&nb= sp;            &= nbsp; My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80=99re n= ot going anywhere.

Your spring with the stock clip is excellent bu= t what if something unexpected happens.
Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens,= many things can happen out on the road.

Call it safety wire or te= ther wire, I want to make sure not matter what the clutch rod is not lost an= d I have to be towed.
Safety wire is u= sually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is just there with no te= nsion or flexing, its just along for the ride until its needed.

Ron = Fraser

= From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of G= ary
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:10 AM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re= : [Tigers] Clutch issue
&= nbsp;
I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the r= od to the clutch arm,
and you add a return spring to the c= lutch arm, there isn't much of a way for it to fall out.
A= nd you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing.
= Gary

On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:
Jerry
    &nb= sp;           I always rec= ommend that everyone should put safety wire on the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just= in case the rod gets into a position it could fall.

If the clutch r= od falls out your basically a tow it away car.
I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork;= this should prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car.

Ro= n Fraser

From: Tigers <tige= rs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jerry ChristophersonSent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue

Thanks for the ideas from all of yo= u. The issue of a longer push rod (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that y= ou can only go up against the throw out bearing just so far. Right now= I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (which I don=E2=80=99t want of course).&nb= sp; Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) a= nd it seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tom= orrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let someone talk me into a RAM= clutch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe? Rick from S. S. sa= id people have had good luck with them.   I=E2=80=99m now of the f= eeling if you aren=E2=80=99t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than e= nough for the Tiger. The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master a= lso suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher. A= nother issue is how far can one allow the slave piston to travel witho= ut coming out of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it= shoes in the manual). Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The pi= ston could come out another .300 ,but that would have the front of the pisto= n .300 past the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!
Thanks again for your responses! Jerry

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Fri, 28 May 2021 21:00:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 21:00:50 +0000 (UTC) To: "garywinblad@comcast.net" References: <1739505421.671247.1622220616555@mail.yahoo.com> <11BD89CF-B04E-403A-A254-5130CCF0F6F7@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue From: Michael Wood via Tigers Cc: "Tigers@autox.team.net" Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2774251912009540599== boundary="----=_Part_729477_941525505.1622235650700" ------=_Part_729477_941525505.1622235650700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary, we prototyped an Aussie Ford factory part (I think Thomo found it, or= iginally) on my car, along with a Centerforce clutch. After six years and t= housands of miles (my car gets driven a lot), it continues to work flawless= ly. What I really like is how linear/smooth it feels. I've also run annular= TO bearings on numerous formula cars I've raced with good reliability.=C2= =A0I hadn't heard Tom wasn't using them anymore. Wonder why?=C2=A0 -----Original Message----- From: Gary To: Michael Wood Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 1:01 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue Mike,Which one did you go with?Paul R. told me Tom doesn=E2=80=99t recommen= d them anymore?It seems like a great solution to me.=C2=A0=C2=A0Everyone al= ways points out how hard it isto replace it when it goes bad but it would= =C2=A0be a lot easier than the one in my C5 and Idid have to do that but it= lasted 120K.Gary Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Michael Wood wrote: =EF=BB=BFThis whole discussion is part of the reason why I went to an annul= ar throwout bearing on my car a number of years ago. The other reason was I= just didn't like the affect all the external slave/arm geometry creates. I= 've been very happy with the change.=C2=A0 -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser via Tigers To: 'Gary' ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue #yiv5687852743 -- filtered {}#yiv5687852743 filtered {}#yiv5687852743 filte= red {}#yiv5687852743 p.yiv5687852743MsoNormal, #yiv5687852743 li.yiv5687852= 743MsoNormal, #yiv5687852743 div.yiv5687852743MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-= bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv5687852743 a:li= nk, #yiv5687852743 span.yiv5687852743MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decorati= on:underline;}#yiv5687852743 pre {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-siz= e:10.0pt;}#yiv5687852743 span.yiv5687852743HTMLPreformattedChar {font-famil= y:Consolas;}#yiv5687852743 span.yiv5687852743EmailStyle21 {font-family:sans= -serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv5687852743 .yiv5687852743MsoChpDefault {font-s= ize:10.0pt;}#yiv5687852743 filtered {}#yiv5687852743 div.yiv5687852743WordS= ection1 {}#yiv5687852743=20 Gary =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80= =99re not going anywhere. =C2=A0 Your spring with the stock clip is excellent but what if something unexpect= ed happens. Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens, m= any things can happen out on the road. =C2=A0 Call it safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what the= clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed. Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is just= there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its ne= eded. =C2=A0 Ron Fraser =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: Tigers On Behalf Of Gary Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:10 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue =C2=A0 I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the = rod to the clutch arm, and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way fo= r it to fall out. And you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing. Gary On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: Jerry =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire on = the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a position it could= fall. =C2=A0 If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car. I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this sho= uld prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car.=20 =C2=A0 Ron Fraser =C2=A0 From: Tigers On Behalf Of Jerry Christopher= son Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM To: Tiger Autox Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue =C2=A0 Thanks for the ideas from all of you.=C2=A0 The issue of a longer push rod = (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out= bearing just so far.=C2=A0 Right now I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (whi= ch I don=E2=80=99t want of course).=C2=A0 Today I received my order from S.= S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have improved the is= sue, I=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livab= le. I let someone talk me into a =C2=A0RAM clutch, should have gone with a = Centerforce maybe?=C2=A0 Rick from S. S. said people have had good luck wit= h them. =C2=A0=C2=A0I=E2=80=99m now of the feeling if you aren=E2=80=99t ra= cing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger. =C2=A0Th= e idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is t= hat it will make the peddle force higher.=C2=A0 Another issue is how far ca= n one allow the slave=C2=A0 piston to travel without coming out of the cyli= nder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual).= =C2=A0 Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out a= nother .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the end = of the cylinder, probably not a good thing! Thanks again for your responses!=C2=A0 Jerry _______________________________________________ =C2=A0tigers@autox.team.net= =C2=A0Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/= pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive =C2=A0Unsubscribe: http://au= tox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.co= m ------=_Part_729477_941525505.1622235650700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gary, we prototyped an Aussie Ford factory part (I think Thom= o found it, originally) on my car, along with a Centerforce clutch. After s= ix years and thousands of miles (my car gets driven a lot), it continues to= work flawlessly. What I really like is how linear/smooth it feels. I've al= so run annular TO bearings on numerous formula cars I've raced with good re= liability.
I hadn't heard Tom wasn't using them anymore. = Wonder why?

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary <g= arywinblad@comcast.net>
To: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 1:01 pm
Subject: = Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue

Mike,=
Which one did you go with?
Paul R. told me Tom doesn=E2=80= =99t recommend them anymore?
It seems like a great solution to me= .
  Everyone always points out how hard it is
to replace it when it goes bad but it would
be a lot easie= r than the one in my C5 and I
did have to do that but it lasted 1= 20K.
Gary

Sent from my iPhone

On May 28, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Michael Wood = <mwood24020@aol.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
This whole discussion is part of the reason why I went to an = annular throwout bearing on my car a number of years ago. The other reason = was I just didn't like the affect all the external slave/arm geometry creat= es. I've been very happy with the change.

-----Original Message-----
F= rom: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
= To: 'Gary' <garywinblad@comcast.net>; tigers@autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:50 am
Subject: Re: [T= igers] Clutch issue

Gary
&= nbsp;           &nbs= p;   My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80= =99re not going anywhere.

Your spring with the stock clip is exc= ellent but what if something unexpected happens.
Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degra= de happens, many things can happen out on the road.

Call it safe= ty wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what the clutch rod = is not lost and I have to be towed.
= Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is just= there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its ne= eded.

Ron Fraser
<= /p>

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net= > On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Friday, May 28= , 2021 10:10 AM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue

I've never heard of safety wire but if you = have the stock clip to hold the rod to the clutch arm,
an= d you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way for = it to fall out.
And you will get max stroke and save the = throwout bearing.
Gary

On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron F= raser wrote:
Jerry
          &n= bsp;     I always recommend that everyone should put sa= fety wire on the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a posi= tion it could fall.

If the clutch rod falls out your basically a = tow it away car.
I think I have a sa= fety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this should prevent the rod= from ever totally leaving the car.

Ron Fraser

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.te= am.net> On Behalf Of Jerry Christopherson
<= b>Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM
To: Tige= r Autox <TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue

Thanks for the ideas from all of you. Th= e issue of a longer push rod (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can onl= y go up against the throw out bearing just so far. Right now I=E2=80= =99m touching the bearing (which I don=E2=80=99t want of course). Tod= ay I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it= seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tomorro= w to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let someone talk me into a RAM cl= utch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe? Rick from S. S. said= people have had good luck with them.   I=E2=80=99m now of the fe= eling if you aren=E2=80=99t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than = enough for the Tiger. The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) maste= r also suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher.&nbs= p; Another issue is how far can one allow the slave piston to travel = without coming out of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip l= ike it shoes in the manual). Mine has a max movement of around 1.350,= The piston could come out another .300 ,but that would have the front of t= he piston .300 past the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!
Thanks again for your responses! Jerry

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------=_Part_729477_941525505.1622235650700-- --===============2774251912009540599== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2774251912009540599==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 28 15:50:23 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248D4A1690 for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 15:50:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET Received: from omta01.suddenlink.net (unknown [208.180.40.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92EC2A0B34 for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 15:49:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Roscrea ([173.218.190.74]) by dalofep01.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.03.22.02 201-2389-100-169-20190213) with ESMTP id <20210528214936.LLOH15366.dalofep01.suddenlink.net@Roscrea> for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 16:49:36 -0500 From: "Jerry Christopherson" To: "Tiger Autox" Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 16:49:36 -0500 Thread-Index: AddUC1fJWf4vUMLJQtWxD73fkio9XA== Content-Language: en-us dalofep01.suddenlink.net from [173.218.190.74] using ID JCMC2006@suddenlink.net at Fri, 28 May 2021 16:49:36 -0500 a=wVkqr1a7hYC14MQ6G6Av8w==:117 a=wVkqr1a7hYC14MQ6G6Av8w==:17 a=5FLXtPjwQuUA:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=H9Xrm3AJj0X_Yk9lvlsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=7Avn4Wzt59Ueke8Id4wA:9 a=9pv54Q7rnG8eV14A:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=6VlIyEUom7LUIeUMNQJH:22 fqfImUltBjZQS7BpkVuIjX2CH7Bxuh6jKofLrwqKQ6nNkxuPkGMMcref7ws3VFLaj4KMohO/H3jX1A== Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8936661647866481064== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01D753E1.71617B80" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01D753E1.71617B80 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I did some measuring today (by the way the new clutch and cylinder kits didn't solve my problem) and thought I would pass on info for anybody that is interested. The actual amount of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to the floor movement of the clutch peddle is .745". The measure of the piston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the very front of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned before is 1.35", so that leaves approximately .605" more potential movement to apply to the clutch arm. I'm hoping the .700 Girling master cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I can only hope. HA! If not I'll pull the engine and tranny again and get a CF clutch. As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has a highly modified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a annular TO bearing and it works very well with the stock master cylinder. I would be very interested in why TH doesn't like them anymore. Jerry ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01D753E1.71617B80 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, I did = some measuring today (by the way the new clutch and cylinder kits = didn’t solve my problem) and thought I would pass on info for = anybody that is interested.
The actual = amount of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to the floor = movement of the clutch peddle is .745”. The measure of the = piston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the very = front of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned before is = 1.35”, so that leaves approximately .605” more potential = movement to apply to the clutch arm. I’m hoping the .700 = Girling master cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I = can only hope. HA! If not I’ll pull the engine and = tranny again and get a CF clutch. As for a annular TO bearing, my = friend has a highly modified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road = racing with a annular TO bearing and it works very well with the stock = master cylinder. I would be very interested in why TH doesn’t like = them anymore.
Jerry =

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He's still using and recommending use of a hydraulic/= annular TO bearing. But, he won't use the McLeod piece, only Tilton, these = days.=C2=A0 Mike -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Christopherson To: Tiger Autox Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 2:50 pm Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue Well, I did some measuring today (by the way the new clutch and cylinder ki= ts didn=E2=80=99t solve my problem) and thought I would pass on info for an= ybody that is interested. The actual amount of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to the floo= r movement of the clutch peddle is .745=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 The measure of the = piston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the very fro= nt of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned before is 1.35=E2= =80=9D, so that leaves approximately .605=E2=80=9D more potential movement = to apply to the clutch arm.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m hoping the .700 Girling maste= r cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I can only hope.= =C2=A0 HA!=C2=A0 If not I=E2=80=99ll pull the engine and tranny again and g= et a CF clutch.=C2=A0 As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has a highly m= odified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a annular TO bear= ing and it works very well with the stock master cylinder. I would be very = interested in why TH doesn=E2=80=99t like them anymore. Jerry=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.co= m ------=_Part_648297_575495949.1622247734598 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just talked to Tom. He's still using a= nd recommending use of a hydraulic/annular TO bearing. But, he won't use th= e McLeod piece, only Tilton, these days.

Mike

-----Original Messag= e-----
From: Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006@suddenlink.net>
To:= Tiger Autox <TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 2:50 = pm
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue

Well, I did some measuring today (by the way the new clutch an= d cylinder kits didn=E2=80=99t solve my problem) and thought I would pass o= n info for anybody that is interested.
The actual amount of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to the= floor movement of the clutch peddle is .745=E2=80=9D. The measure of= the piston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the ver= y front of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned before is 1.35= =E2=80=9D, so that leaves approximately .605=E2=80=9D more potential moveme= nt to apply to the clutch arm. I=E2=80=99m hoping the .700 Girling ma= ster cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I can only hope= . HA! If not I=E2=80=99ll pull the engine and tranny again and = get a CF clutch. As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has a highly = modified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a annular TO bea= ring and it works very well with the stock master cylinder. I would be very= interested in why TH doesn=E2=80=99t like them anymore.
Jerry
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in MIME format. --------------87E379F6CB5177279E6B2AC3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Mike, Ok, yeah he was recommending the McCleod with his mod to the fittings... Paul Reisentz also told me that McCLeod themselves did not recommend their part for use in Tigers! Tilton.. or are there any more details on your Australian job? Gary On 5/28/2021 5:22 PM, Michael Wood via Tigers wrote: > I just talked to Tom. He's still using and recommending use of a > hydraulic/annular TO bearing. But, he won't use the McLeod piece, only > Tilton, these days. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Christopherson > To: Tiger Autox > Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 2:50 pm > Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue > > Well, I did some measuring today (by the way the new clutch and > cylinder kits didn’t solve my problem) and thought I would pass on > info for anybody that is interested. > > The actual amount of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to the > floor movement of the clutch peddle is .745”. The measure of the > piston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the > very front of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned before > is 1.35”, so that leaves approximately .605” more potential movement > to apply to the clutch arm. I’m hoping the .700 Girling master > cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I can only > hope. HA! If not I’ll pull the engine and tranny again and get a CF > clutch. As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has a highly modified > Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a annular TO bearing > and it works very well with the stock master cylinder. I would be very > interested in why TH doesn’t like them anymore. > > Jerry > > _______________________________________________ > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net > > --------------87E379F6CB5177279E6B2AC3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Mike,
Ok, yeah he was recommending the McCleod with his mod to the fittings...
Paul Reisentz also told me that McCLeod themselves did not recommend their part for use in Tigers!

Tilton.. or are there any more details on your Australian job?
Gary

On 5/28/2021 5:22 PM, Michael Wood via Tigers wrote:

I just talked to Tom. He's still using and recommending use of a hydraulic/annular TO bearing. But, he won't use the McLeod piece, only Tilton, these days.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006@suddenlink.net>
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 2:50 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue

Well, I did some measuring today (by the way the new clutch and cylinder kits didn’t solve my problem) and thought I would pass on info for anybody that is interested.

The actual amount of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to the floor movement of the clutch peddle is .745”. The measure of the piston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the very front of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned before is 1.35”, so that leaves approximately .605” more potential movement to apply to the clutch arm. I’m hoping the .700 Girling master cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I can only hope. HA! If not I’ll pull the engine and tranny again and get a CF clutch. As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has a highly modified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a annular TO bearing and it works very well with the stock master cylinder. I would be very interested in why TH doesn’t like them anymore.

Jerry

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I think it is mostly because he's= had no complaints about the Tilton and likes doing the conversion using th= eir 7/8" master.=C2=A0 -----Original Message----- From: Gary To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 6:50 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue Thanks Mike, Ok, yeah he was recommending the McCleod with his mod to the fittings... Paul Reisentz also told me that McCLeod themselves did not recommend their= part for use in Tigers! =20 Tilton..=C2=A0 or are there any more details on your Australian job? Gary =20 On 5/28/2021 5:22 PM, Michael Wood via Tigers wrote: =20 =20 I just talked to Tom. He's still using and recommending use of a hydraulic= /annular TO bearing. But, he won't use the McLeod piece, only Tilton, these= days.=C2=A0=20 Mike =20 -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Christopherson To: Tiger Autox Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 2:50 pm Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue =20 #yiv8877381035 filtered {}#yiv8877381035 p.yiv8877381035MsoNormal, #yiv8= 877381035 li.yiv8877381035MsoNormal, #yiv8877381035 div.yiv8877381035MsoNor= mal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;}#yiv8877381035 a:li= nk, #yiv8877381035 span.yiv8877381035MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decorati= on:underline;}#yiv8877381035 a:visited, #yiv8877381035 span.yiv8877381035Ms= oHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8877381035 = span.yiv8877381035EmailStyle17 {color:windowtext;}#yiv8877381035 .yiv887738= 1035MsoChpDefault {}#yiv8877381035 filtered {}#yiv8877381035 div.yiv8877381= 035WordSection1 {} =20 Well, I did some measuring today (by the way the new clutch and cylinder ki= ts didn=E2=80=99t solve my problem) and thought I would pass on info for an= ybody that is interested. =20 The actual amount of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to the floo= r movement of the clutch peddle is .745=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 The measure of the = piston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the very fro= nt of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned before is 1.35=E2= =80=9D, so that leaves approximately .605=E2=80=9D more potential movement = to apply to the clutch arm.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m hoping the .700 Girling maste= r cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I can only hope.= =C2=A0 HA!=C2=A0 If not I=E2=80=99ll pull the engine and tranny again and g= et a CF clutch.=C2=A0 As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has a highly m= odified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a annular TO bear= ing and it works very well with the stock master cylinder. I would be very = interested in why TH doesn=E2=80=99t like them anymore. =20 Jerry=C2=A0=20 =20 =C2=A0 _______________________________________________ =20 tigers@autox.team.net =20 Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiv= e =20 Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.c= om =20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comca= st.net =20 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.co= m ------=_Part_754259_1932842714.1622255071044 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gary, the McLeod in "Blue" (Tom's med blue car) is still goin= g strong after 25 years, so I'm not sure why he bailed. I think it is mostl= y because he's had no complaints about the Tilton and likes doing the conve= rsion using their 7/8" master.

<= br>-----Original Message-----
From: Gary <garywinblad@comcast.net>=
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 6:50 pm
Subject= : Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue

Thanks Mike,
Ok, yeah he was recommending the McCleod with his mod to the fittings...
Paul Reisentz also told me that McCLeod themselves did not recommend their part for use in Tigers!

Tilton.. or are there any more details on your Australian job? Gary

=
On 5/28/2021 5:22 PM, Michael W= ood via Tigers wrote:

I just talked to Tom. He's still using and recommending use of a hydraulic/annular TO bearing. But, he won't use the McLeod piece, only Tilton, these days.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006@suddenlink.net>
To: Tiger Autox &l= t;TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 2:50 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue

Well, I did some measuring today (by the way the new clutch and cylinder kits didn=E2=80=99t solve my problem) and thought I would pass= on info for anybody that is interested.

The actual amount of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to the floor movement of the clutch peddle is .745=E2=80=9D. The= measure of the piston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the very front of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned before is 1.35=E2=80=9D, = so that leaves approximately .605=E2=80=9D more potential movement to apply to the clutch arm. I=E2=80=99m ho= ping the .700 Girling master cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I can only hope. HA! If = not I=E2=80=99ll pull the engine and tranny again and get a C= F clutch. As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has = a highly modified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a annular TO bearing and it works very well with the stock master cylinder. I would be very interested in why TH doesn=E2=80=99t like them anymore.

Jerry

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Thunderbird/78.10.2 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3777215310725209598== boundary="------------634A702102D94B13A82B3FFC" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------634A702102D94B13A82B3FFC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Theo! Interesting. Steve Wickland has the McLeod in his Tiger. He has been complaining about it for some time, I forget but I think his is causing the clutch to slip. Tom Hall recommended to use hard line and fittings because the McLeod swivel ones leak (IIRC). Gary On 5/28/2021 7:55 PM, Theo Smit wrote: > I ended up making an anti-rotation bracket that located the McLeod > throwout bearing and kept it from pulling on the swivel fittings. > Without that, the fittings would leak a bit of fluid every time you > applied the clutch with the engine running. > Theo > >> On May 28, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Michael Wood via Tigers >> wrote: >> >> >> Gary, the McLeod in "Blue" (Tom's med blue car) is still going strong >> after 25 years, so I'm not sure why he bailed. I think it is mostly >> because he's had no complaints about the Tilton and likes doing the >> conversion using their 7/8" master. >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gary >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 6:50 pm >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue >> >> Thanks Mike, >> Ok, yeah he was recommending the McCleod with his mod to the fittings... >> Paul Reisentz also told me that McCLeod themselves did not recommend >> their part for use in Tigers! >> >> Tilton.. or are there any more details on your Australian job? >> Gary >> >> On 5/28/2021 5:22 PM, Michael Wood via Tigers wrote: >> I just talked to Tom. He's still using and recommending use of a >> hydraulic/annular TO bearing. But, he won't use the McLeod piece, >> only Tilton, these days. >> >> Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jerry Christopherson >> Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 2:50 pm >> Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue >> >> Well, I did some measuring today (by the way the new clutch and >> cylinder kits didn’t solve my problem) and thought I would pass on >> info for anybody that is interested. >> >> The actual amount of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to >> the floor movement of the clutch peddle is .745”. The measure of the >> piston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the >> very front of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned >> before is 1.35”, so that leaves approximately .605” more potential >> movement to apply to the clutch arm. I’m hoping the .700 Girling >> master cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I can >> only hope. HA! If not I’ll pull the engine and tranny again and get >> a CF clutch. As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has a highly >> modified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a annular >> TO bearing and it works very well with the stock master cylinder. I >> would be very interested in why TH doesn’t like them anymore. >> >> Jerry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com >> >> >> --------------634A702102D94B13A82B3FFC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Theo!
Interesting. Steve Wickland has the McLeod in his Tiger. He has been complaining about it for some time, I forget but I think his is causing
the clutch to slip. Tom Hall recommended to use hard line and fittings because the McLeod swivel ones leak (IIRC).
Gary

On 5/28/2021 7:55 PM, Theo Smit wrote:

I ended up making an anti-rotation bracket that located the McLeod throwout bearing and kept it from pulling on the swivel fittings. Without that, the fittings would leak a bit of fluid every time you applied the clutch with the engine running.

Theo

On May 28, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Michael Wood via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:

Gary, the McLeod in "Blue" (Tom's med blue car) is still going strong after 25 years, so I'm not sure why he bailed. I think it is mostly because he's had no complaints about the Tilton and likes doing the conversion using their 7/8" master.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary <garywinblad@comcast.net>
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 6:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue

Thanks Mike,
Ok, yeah he was recommending the McCleod with his mod to the fittings...
Paul Reisentz also told me that McCLeod themselves did not recommend their part for use in Tigers!

Tilton.. or are there any more details on your Australian job?
Gary

On 5/28/2021 5:22 PM, Michael Wood via Tigers wrote:

I just talked to Tom. He's still using and recommending use of a hydraulic/annular TO bearing. But, he won't use the McLeod piece, only Tilton, these days.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006@suddenlink.net>
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 2:50 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue

Well, I did some measuring today (by the way the new clutch and cylinder kits didn’t solve my problem) and thought I would pass on info for anybody that is interested.

The actual amount of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to the floor movement of the clutch peddle is .745”. The measure of the piston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the very front of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned before is 1.35”, so that leaves approximately .605” more potential movement to apply to the clutch arm. I’m hoping the .700 Girling master cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I can only hope. HA! If not I’ll pull the engine and tranny again and get a CF clutch. As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has a highly modified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a annular TO bearing and it works very well with the stock master cylinder. I would be very interested in why TH doesn’t like them anymore.

Jerry

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But, once dialed in, I beli= eve it is a much better solution. I've never liked the slave/lever arm thro= w out deal, although it works much better with a diaphragm clutch than the = old three finger long style. -----Original Message----- From: Gary To: Theo Smit ; Michael Wood Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:28 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue Hi Theo! Interesting.=C2=A0 Steve Wickland has the McLeod in his Tiger.=C2=A0 He ha= s been complaining about it for some time, I forget but I think his is caus= ing the clutch to slip.=C2=A0 Tom Hall recommended to use hard line and fittin= gs because the McLeod swivel ones leak (IIRC). Gary =20 =20 On 5/28/2021 7:55 PM, Theo Smit wrote: =20 =20 I ended up making an anti-rotation bracket that located the McLeod throwout= bearing and kept it from pulling on the swivel fittings. Without that, the= fittings would leak a bit of fluid every time you applied the clutch with = the engine running.=C2=A0 Theo=20 =20 On May 28, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Michael Wood via Tigers wrote: =20 =20 =20 =EF=BB=BF Gary, the McLeod in "Blue" (Tom's med blue car) is still going = strong after 25 years, so I'm not sure why he bailed. I think it is mostly = because he's had no complaints about the Tilton and likes doing the convers= ion using their 7/8" master.=C2=A0=20 =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Gary To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 6:50 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue =20 Thanks Mike, Ok, yeah he was recommending the McCleod with his mod to the fittings... Paul Reisentz also told me that McCLeod themselves did not recommend their= part for use in Tigers! =20 Tilton..=C2=A0 or are there any more details on your Australian job? Gary =20 On 5/28/2021 5:22 PM, Michael Wood via Tigers wrote: =20 =20 I just talked to Tom. He's still using and recommending use of a hydr= aulic/annular TO bearing. But, he won't use the McLeod piece, only Tilton, = these days.=C2=A0=20 Mike =20 -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Christopherson To: Tiger Autox Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 2:50 pm Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue =20 #yiv0105590537 filtered {}#yiv0105590537 p.yiv0105590537MsoNormal, #yiv0= 105590537 li.yiv0105590537MsoNormal, #yiv0105590537 div.yiv0105590537MsoNor= mal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;}#yiv0105590537 a:li= nk, #yiv0105590537 span.yiv0105590537MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decorati= on:underline;}#yiv0105590537 a:visited, #yiv0105590537 span.yiv0105590537Ms= oHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0105590537 = span.yiv0105590537EmailStyle17 {color:windowtext;}#yiv0105590537 .yiv010559= 0537MsoChpDefault {}#yiv0105590537 filtered {}#yiv0105590537 div.yiv0105590= 537WordSection1 {} =20 Well, I did some measuring today (by the way the new clutch and cylinder ki= ts didn=E2=80=99t solve my problem) and thought I would pass on info for an= ybody that is interested. =20 The actual amount of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to the floo= r movement of the clutch peddle is .745=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 The measure of the = piston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the very fro= nt of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned before is 1.35=E2= =80=9D, so that leaves approximately .605=E2=80=9D more potential movement = to apply to the clutch arm.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m hoping the .700 Girling maste= r cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I can only hope.= =C2=A0 HA!=C2=A0 If not I=E2=80=99ll pull the engine and tranny again and g= et a CF clutch.=C2=A0 As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has a highly m= odified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a annular TO bear= ing and it works very well with the stock master cylinder. I would be very = interested in why TH doesn=E2=80=99t like them anymore. =20 Jerry=C2=A0=20 =20 =C2=A0 _______________________________________________ =20 tigers@autox.team.net =20 Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiv= e =20 Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.c= om =20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comca= st.net =20 _______________________________________________ =20 tigers@autox.team.net =20 Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiv= e =20 Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.c= om =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_Part_815760_159726799.1622304080860 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For sure, there's been some trial and error in getting the hy= draulic TO bearing set up right over the last 20 years or so. But, once dia= led in, I believe it is a much better solution. I've never liked the slave/= lever arm throw out deal, although it works much better with a diaphragm cl= utch than the old three finger long style.

-----Ori= ginal Message-----
From: Gary <garywinblad@comcast.net>
To: The= o Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca>; Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>
Cc= : tigers@autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:28 pm
Subject: Re: = [Tigers] Clutch issue

Hi Theo!
Interesting. Steve Wickland has the McLeod in his Tiger. He= has been complaining about it for some time, I forget but I think his is causing
the clutch to slip. Tom Hall recommended to use hard line and fittings because the McLeod swivel ones leak (IIRC).
Gary

=
On 5/28/2021 7:55 PM, Theo Smit= wrote:

I ended up making an anti-= rotation bracket that located the McLeod throwout bearing and kept it from pulling on the swivel fittings. Without that, the fittings would leak a bit of fluid every time you applied the clutch with the engine running.

Theo

On May 28, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Michael Wood via Tigers &l= t;tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

Gary, the McLeod in "Blue" (Tom's med blue car) is still going strong after 25 years, so I'm not sure why he bailed. I think it is mostly because he's had no complaints about the Tilton and likes doing the conversion using their 7/8" master.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary <garywinblad@comcast.net>
To: tigers@= autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 6:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue

Thanks Mike,
Ok, yeah he was recommending the McCleod with his mod to the fittings...
Paul Reisentz also told me that McCLeod themselves did not recommend their part for use in Tigers!

Tilton.. or are there any more details on your Australian job?
Gary

On 5/28/2021 5:22 PM, Michael Wood via Tigers wrote:

I just talked to Tom. He's still using and recommending use of a hydraulic/annular TO bearing. But, he won't use the McLeod piece, only Tilton, these days.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006@suddenlink.net>
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 2:50 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue

Well, I did some m= easuring today (by the way the new clutch and cylinder kits didn=E2=80=99t solve my problem= ) and thought I would pass on info for anybody that is interested.

The actual amount = of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to the floor movement of the clutch peddle is .745=E2=80=9D. The measure of the pi= ston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the very front of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned before is 1.35=E2=80=9D, so that le= aves approximately .605=E2=80=9D more potential movement to apply to the clutch arm. I= =E2=80=99m hoping the .700 Girling master cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I can only hope. HA! If n= ot I=E2=80=99ll pull the engine and tranny again and get a CF clutch. As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has a highly modified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a annular TO bearing and it works very well with the stock master cylinder. I would be very interested in why TH doesn=E2=80=99t lik= e them anymore.

Jerry

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